
                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 27-Nov-1999 to Friday, 03-Dec-1999

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  26-Nov-99 20:56:16
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         27-Nov-99 00:31:24
Subj: fdisk /query

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai dated 11-20-99 ***
>  MR> Now, if we could kill the convention of assigning letters to primary
>  MR> partitions first, things could be a lot easier.
> 
> What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ?

Jonathan,

I would prefer drive labels, not letters.
When the op-system boots it reads 1 sector indicating if its bootable or not
and where the next partition starts.  Where the 2nd partition starts, same
thing, is it bootable & where is the next partition, or indicate its the
last.
Each partition would also have the label in it.  Once the op-system boots, use 
UNC type paths based on the machine name.

I would also think this would break a few utilities, maybe even have to be the 
start of a new op-system.

Think how many 100k partitions you could make with a drive array!!   :}

Rich
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From: Jack Stein                                        25-Nov-99 10:27:28
  To: Jaap Van.Veen                                     27-Nov-99 06:01:29
Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40

Jaap Van.Veen wrote in a message to All:

 JVV> As I have recalled earlier, my system (486DX2 66) is much
 JVV> faster with FP40 installed. This has to do with the faster
 JVV> handling of the harddisk. 

 JVV> However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is
 JVV> not serviced in time causing overruns. Does somebody know
 JVV> how I can avoid overrun of COM1. 

 JVV> I am using SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS since the beginning of
 JVV> my dealing with OS/2.

I run WARP 3 with no fixpaks (other than it is released at FP5.  I upgraded my 
IBM1S506 and the DASD drivers only, and did that at the FB17 level, and that
was needed ONLY for multiple drive recognition on a CD Changer.  Anyway, I
once installed the newer drivers that were released for large drives (>4gigs), 
although my stock drivers recognized my 5 gig drive with no problem, I
installed them just for kicks.  Suddenly, I started getting modem overrun
errors, on the BBS (DOS) and on the internet (OS/2).  I tracked the problem
down to these new drivers, and I'm sure that is exactly where your problem is
coming from.  I tried 9 million things to correct the errors, based on a bunch 
of recommendations in here for switches to the IBM1S506 config.sys line, but
not a damn one worked. I had to put the older disk drivers from FP17 back in
to stop the modem errors.  I was suprised a disk driver could create modem
overrun errors, but it did, absolutly positively was the cause.

I recommend you move that driver to another name, and stick in your old
IBM1s506 driver and see if the problem doesn't disappear.  All you need do is
copy it to the correct directory and reboot.

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From: George White                                      25-Nov-99 08:01:09
  To: Andy Roberts                                      27-Nov-99 06:01:29
Subj: Get Going

Hi Andy,

On 19-Nov-99, Andy Roberts wrote to Coridon Henshaw:

 AR> I agree about Laser, for speed and quality as well as price for
 AR> B&W.  The only good reason I can think of to get an InkJet is for
 AR> color.

The only reason I got my LexMark was to allow colour printing...

 AR> I did pay what I thought at the time was a rather high up front
 AR> price for the HP4L.  And I probably would not have bought it
 AR> except the company paid for it, and it has far better speed and
 AR> quality than a dot matrix. Like most commercial equipment, I think
 AR> the longer life expectancy and low maintenance, does justify the
 AR> cost in the long run.

I thought much the same when I bought mine, but it's well worth it in
the long run.

 AR> I've checked several times in the last year trying to find a used
 AR> HP4L for sale at various auctions, and never seen 1, even though
 AR> they were very popular a few years ago.  I guess everyone who
 AR> bought it is so satisfied that they don't want to sell it.

I've got an HP LJ4P, and the only way you'll get it away from me is
"Over my dead body" unless it dies first :-). There are so many out
there I expect no problems getting cartridges for many years...

George

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From: Holger Granholm                                   26-Nov-99 18:11:00
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  27-Nov-99 06:33:22
Subj: Bunch of Questions....

In a message dated 11-25-99, Rich Wonneberger said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Rich,

> DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When
RW>(bit del)
> I hope not. It's the slowest program I've ever used for that purpose.
> Doing it manually or from a file manager is ten times faster.

RW>Holger,

RW>Wouldnt the OS/2 equivalent work better & faster??   :}

I really hope it does if it exists!! :-)

RW>Which file manager do you use??

ZTreeBold = ZTB.  Got used to XTree from the start of the AT era.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   26-Nov-99 18:11:00
  To: Mike Roark                                        27-Nov-99 06:33:23
Subj: Bunch of Questions....

In a message dated 11-24-99, Mike Roark said to Dave Davidson:

MR>Mike
MR>Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
MR>This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 22h 09m 44s 562ms (en).

The above line doesn't give any idea of OS/2s reliability.
Some of us are running it 24 hours 7 days a week without bragging.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   26-Nov-99 18:11:00
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    27-Nov-99 06:33:23
Subj: FTP & Telenet

In a message dated 11-24-99, Stephen Haffly said to John Angelico:

Hello Stephen et all,

 JA> "Use of the Software for any military- or arms production related
--------------------------------------------------->******************
 JA> purpose, whether direct or indirect,  is strictly  prohibited and
 JA> will  constitute a breach of the license granted under this
 JA> Agreement."

 JA> I don't think it's as sweeping as you might have thought. Military
 JA> *purpose* not *personnel* (although I hate that word "personnel" it
 JA> makes the point by a pun)

SH>However, if I wish to use the program to access my shell account,
SH>and then view my e-mail from there, and my platoon sergeant has sent
SH>me military related information, then I am in violation of the
SH>license if I read it.

You have to read the text in its entirety. It clearly says "production
related purpose". As long as your platoon sergeant hasn't sent you an
e-mail about military- or arms production, you have not sinned.
------------>****************************

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Dave Davidson                                     26-Nov-99 12:24:19
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 06:33:23
Subj: Netscape....

 After switching from WIN98/IE environment to OS/2 & Netscape, I miss my
 rather extensive "Favorites" folder of URL's.

 Is there any way to convert or import MS's IE bookmarks to OS/2's
 Netscape? There's gotta be a way, I just haven't figured out how....yet.

 Thanks.....


  Have a _GREAT_ one!

  Dave Davidson                 dad50@primary.net

  Warped in more ways than one! OS/2 Warp 4.

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From: Dave Davidson                                     26-Nov-99 17:09:18
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         27-Nov-99 06:33:23
Subj: Tutorial

Hiya Jonathan,

19-Nov-99 10:31:14, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Larry Snider
          Subject: Tutorial

 JdBP> WHERE TO FIND OS2CLU
 JdBP> 

 JdBP> The OS2CLU02 distribution archive (available as both OS2CLU02.ZIP and
 JdBP> OS2CLU02.RAR, to cater to different tastes) can be File Requested by
 JdBP> anyone at any time of the day from the following Fidonet nodes:

 JdBP>     1:109/921.0        TSR BBS in the U.S.
 JdBP>     2:257/609.0        Air Applewood BBS in the U.K.
 JdBP>     1:17/23.0          Marsh BBS in Canada

 JdBP> It is also available on any Fidonet site around the world that carries

 FYI it's also available here;

  1:11/107    A POINTLESS CONNECTION (USA)

And available using Allfix's Internet FREQ feature.

Hope this helps...


  Have a _GREAT_ one!

  Dave Davidson                 dad50@primary.net

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From: Murray Lesser                                     27-Nov-99 06:33:01
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  27-Nov-99 06:33:01
Subj: Legacy DOS Software

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-25-99, Leonard Erickson to Lee Aroner;
oroginal topic: Install)L:

Hi Leonard--

 ML> Nonsense.  Programmers of old DOS programs used FCBs long after
 ML> DOS 1.x came out, even though the documentation told them not to (who
 ML> reads the docs?).  What to set FCBS= depends on which DOS programs you
 ML> are running, not what version of DOS they were written under (something
 ML> you have no way of knowing unless you wrote them <G>).

 LE> Actually, I seem to recall hearing that MS-DOS has dropped support
   >for FCBS as of version 6 or 7. I know they've been *warning*
   >programmers since version 5 (or earlier) that those functions where
   >not to be used, because they'd be dropped at some future time.

 LA> This is the usual case of MS's "Do as I say, not as I do", since 
 LA> Command.Com continues to use FCBs for fast directlry deletions, 
 LA> just as I do.

LE>Try it under MS-DOS v6.x. Then try it in a Win 95 or 98 DOS "window"
  >(or with the system booted to the MS-DOS 7 that Win 9x runs on top
  >of).

    This argument gets sillier and sillier.  MS may have "warned"
programmers not to use FCBs.  MS may even have stopped supporting the
use of FCBs in its newest operating-system software.  (I wouldn't know,
as I don't own any MS software written after 1990.)  But I do know that
there is no way that MS is going to retrofit all existing DOS software,
written either before or after that warning was last issued, where the
programmer happened to use FCBs.

    This thread started on the matter of how much memory space should be
"wasted" in support for FCBs in a VDM.  Even though the likelihood of
ever attempting to run a legacy program requiring 16 FCBs is very small,
essentially nothing is lost if one keeps the full "default" FCB support:
one is "wasting" (at most) about half a kilobyte by taking this easy way
out :-).  This amount of memory space is in the noise; each VDM session
has available to it much more usable RAM than is required by any program
that would run in "real" DOS.

    IIRC, there was a row in this echo about the time of Warp 4 GA over
an error in the VDM support of FCBs.  I don't know which early FixPak
corrected this "bug" but I do know that it was corrected by the time
FixPak 5 was released. In any case, that episode made it obvious that at
least some OS/2 users are running legacy DOS programs that made use of
FCBs.

    Why, then, should a rational OS/2 user recommend risking the
possible inability to run a legacy DOS program?  MS has a history of
abandoning users of legacy software (perhaps to force them into buying
the newest bloated version <G>).  But there is no real reason for an
OS/2 user to jump ship by adopting MS practices :-).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Rachel Veraa                                      26-Nov-99 20:35:04
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?

In a message to Rachel Veraa, Leonard Erickson wrote:

 -=> Quoting Rachel Veraa to All <=-

 RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames
 RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files? 

LE> Have you considered using PKZIP to archive the files, and then
LE> unarchive them on the destination system? That should preserve the
LE> long file names.

You're right; it works from HPFS to FAT.  i still have to try it with WinZip
to see if it works the other way.

Thanks.


       N'a pale pi ta,
           Rachel

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From: Rachel Veraa                                      26-Nov-99 20:40:20
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?

In a message to Rachel Veraa, Eddy Thilleman wrote:

RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames
RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files?

ET> This is an OS/2 FAT32 driver:

[snip]

ET> I don't use it because I don't have FAT32 partitions.

I don't either.  Just plain ol' FAT 16.

Thanks anyway, though.


       N'a pale pi ta,
           Rachel

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From: Rachel Veraa                                      26-Nov-99 20:43:19
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?

In a message to Rachel Veraa, Roy J. Tellason wrote:

 RV>        N'a pale pi ta,
 RV>            Rachel

RJT> What does that mean?

"Talk to ya later."

Literally:

N' = (nou = we
a         = future indicator (shall)
pale      = speak
pi        = more
ta        = late

    [nah pal-AY pee tah]


       N'a pale pi ta,
           Rachel

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       26-Nov-99 19:44:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: DETACH

Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Herbert Rosenau
on 11-22-99  09:52 about DETACH...

[snip]
 JDBP> OS/2 kernel.  Indeed, I explicitly made the point that the OS/2 kernel
 JDBP> itself makes *no* distinction whatsoever between "text mode" and
 JDBP> "graphical" processes.  This was the whole point that I was making. 
[snip]

I'm uncertain on this point, but I believe that may be somewhat mistaken,
even if only indirectly.

Part of the priority table is something called "window boost", which near
as I can tell, serves no purpose other than to give a priority boost to a
graphical program.

There was a discussion quite some time ago about this (probably in OS/2
Programming, though perhaps not) involving Denis Tonn and Ivan Todorski.
Ivan was disappointed with the adverse affect on other-app performance that
a graphical window seemed to have.  He wiped out the window boost from the
priority table in the kernel (I'm quite sure he backed it up <g>), and the
problem went away.

So, in that limited respect, the kernel may be considered "aware" of a
difference between text-mode and graphical programs, though it's an
awareness that can be removed with a hex editor.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       26-Nov-99 19:49:00
  To: GEORGE WHITE                                      27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: fdisk /query

Some senseless babbling from George White to Mike Ruskai
on 11-19-99  10:04 about fdisk /query...

 GW> Hi MIKE,

 GW> On 17-Nov-99, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD:

 <snip> table

 JDBP>> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK.
 JDBP>> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical
 JDBP>> drive that aren't assigned to any partition.  The irony is that with
 JDBP>> the scheme chosen by Linda's guru, this space is completely unusable,
 JDBP>> since no more partitions can be created on the disc.  (Although one
 JDBP>> wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short like
 JDBP>> this.  Perhaps a side effect of creating the partition using a hex
 JDBP>> editor on the partition table and doing the arithmetic incorrectly ?
 JDBP>> (-:)
 
 MR> It might have been FDISK that did the bad math.  One of my drives has 7MB
 MR> of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive defined.
 MR> FDISK did it, not me.

 GW> I don't think so, what you're seeing on your system is a different
 GW> problem (FDISK peculiarity :-( ). When FDISK is told to create an
 GW> extended partition on a drive with no primary defined, it creates a
 GW> minimum size, hidden, inaccessible, primary partition on the drive at
 GW> the start. Why? - don't ask me...

Will Honea pointed out what should have been obvious - the convention is to
have partition tables on cylinder boundaries.  I can't see any reason why
this is necessary, but it just is.

Since a logical drive isn't defined in the partition table of the MBR (the
one at sector 0 of the physical drive), the next partition table would have
to be at the next cylinder boundary, which in the case of the drive in
question is 7MB away.

Partitions themselves start on track boundaries, though, so a primary
partition would leave only one track worth of unused space between the MBR
and the partition's first sector.  The sector count between the partition
table that defines it, and the actual start of a partition is stored as
"hidden sectors" in the BIOS parameter block, retrievable by a
DosDevIOCtl() category 8, function 63 (DSK_GETDEVICEPARAMS) call.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       26-Nov-99 19:58:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: fdisk /query

Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai
on 11-20-99  13:17 about fdisk /query...

 MR> Now, if we could kill the convention of assigning letters to primary
 MR> partitions first, things could be a lot easier.

 JDBP> What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ?

I'd be inclined to go with physical definition order.  But my primary
concern when writing the above was to criticize the practice of assigning
letters to primary partitions on separate physical drives before assigning
letters to any logical drives in extended partitions.

 JDBP> Windows NT does it by having a table stored in its registry, which
 JDBP> maps drive letters to partitions.  But I would object to this sort of
 JDBP> solution, simply because the registry is not in an easily accessible
 JDBP> format should one want to repair or alter this table (when booted from
 JDBP> a recovery boot floppy, for example).

 JDBP> Personally, I would lean towards a CONFIG.SYS directive:

 JDBP> DRIVELETTERS=C:0,1;D:0,2;E:0,3;F:1,1;G:1,2;H:1,3

 JDBP> But that raises the thorny questions of what to do when not all
 JDBP> partitions are covered by the information given in the directive, and
 JDBP> what to do when the directive is missing altogether.

Well, the only reasonable alternative (and I like your concept above) is to
follow a set of rules in the absence of the directive, which would also
fill in the blanks (going through unassigned letters in alphabetical order,
and assigning all drives not already given a letter).

It'd be confusing only to those daring to use it, otherwise functioning as
expected by the uninitiated.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       27-Nov-99 06:44:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: Multiple visible primary

Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai
on 11-20-99  13:39 about Multiple visible primary...

 MR> Recall Linda Proulx's posting of her FDISK /QUERY output, from booting
 MR> with floppy disks on a system which doesn't have OS/2 installed yet.
 MR>
 MR> All of the primary partitions were seen and assigned drive letters, in
 MR> order.

 JDBP> By *FDISK*, yes.  But what FDISK displays doesn't necessarily match
 JDBP> what OS/2 *does*.  After all, FDISK will display the drive letter
 JDBP> assignments as they would be after changes have been made but before
 JDBP> they have been saved to disc.  Obviously FDISK isn't querying the
 JDBP> operating system for the drive letter assignments, because it has to
 JDBP> cope with the case where the current state of the partition table in
 JDBP> memory doesn't actually match the current state of the partition table
 JDBP> on disc. 

So in effect, if she were to type "D:" during this boot (from which she ran
FDISK /QUERY), she'd get a SYS0015.

Which brings us back to the point where Linda's quest is thoroughly doomed,
instead of partially.

[later]

While adding an old drive to one of my machines for the purposes of setting
up a bunch of HPFS partitions to test my HPFS programs, I decided to first
create four primary partitions, and change the partition types to 0x06.

I then booted from OS/2 floppies, and the first one in the partition table
(which FDISK strangely made the last partition on the drive, in terms of
sector offset - they were all ordered that way) was the only one assigned a
letter.

Curiously, when I ran FDISK /QUERY, it did not contradict the assignment of
drive letters.  It gave no letter to any but the first partition table
entry, even though all were type 0x06.

So, it would seem that the FDISK in Warp 4 is quite different from that in
Warp 3 (which Linda was using).  I seem to recall a bug or two in FDISK
back in my Warp 3 days which was corrected by a fixpack.  Perhaps its take
on drive lettering was altered at the same time.

[snip rest]

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       26-Nov-99 20:18:00
  To: GREGORY URBAN                                     27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: Odin and app install

Some senseless babbling from Gregory Urban to All
on 11-25-99  11:04 about Odin and app install...

 GU> Greetings,

 GU> Recently I downloaded ODIN so that I can attempt to run Win32 apps on
 GU> my Warp 4 system.  Well, I've run into a problem. When I try installing
 GU> apps which use the "Unwise" installation program they of course won't
 GU> install. ODIN won't run the install program because it is 16-bit and if
 GU> I try running in a WinOS2 session the installer refuses to install the
 GU> Win9x app because WinOS2 is the wrong version.

 GU> Anyone out there figure out how to get around this?  Also, anyone out
 GU> there know how to unpack .CAB files?

There's an EXTRACT.EXE program on the Win95 CD to unpack CAB files.

As to your problem, the only workaround that'll probably ever happen is to
run the installation in Win9x, then just try running the program under
OS/2.

Until the "Unwise" people make their app 32-bit.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       26-Nov-99 20:39:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: Phoenix INT 13h Extension

Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai
on 11-22-99  09:55 about Phoenix INT 13h Extension...

[snip]
 JDBP> There is a new API, the so-called "INT 13h extensions", promulgated by
 JDBP> Phoenix, IBM, and Microsoft.  It takes 64-bit logical block numbers as
 JDBP> parameters.  I can file attach the PDF file containing the API
 JDBP> description to your Fidonet node if you want.
[snip]

I doubt that a file attachment would work here.

If you have a URL from which I can find it (URL to the file being best, of
course), that'd be better.  An e-mail attachment to the address in my sig
would also be good, if you can manage that.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       26-Nov-99 20:30:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         27-Nov-99 12:32:29
Subj: The 80486 "requirement"

Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Murray Lesser
on 11-22-99  09:45 about The 80486 "requirement"...

 ML> According to the books, it takes more (minimum) RAM to run Warp 4
 ML> than it did to run Warp 3 (but 20 MB should be more than sufficient)
 ML> and at least a 80486 chip (which you have), [...]

 JDBP> An 80486 (or equivalent, such as a AMD or Cyrix 5x86) is not a
 JDBP> *requirement*, however.  It would be for OS/2 SMP, but it isn't for the
 JDBP> uniprocessor kernel.  Apparently, from the discussions that ensued when
 JDBP> this first became known several years ago, the 80486 "requirement" is
 JDBP> nothing more than the fact that IBM switched on the "optimise for the
 JDBP> 486" flag to the compiler.  Previously it had been optimising for the
 JDBP> 80386.  When one generates code optimised for the 486, compilers
 JDBP> schedule instructions slightly differently (to better use the
 JDBP> pipelining that is in the 80486), but they don't actually use any
 JDBP> instructions that aren't also available on the 80386.  (There aren't
 JDBP> any, really, that are of any practical use outside of certain very
 JDBP> specialised areas like SMP.) 

The real reason for the 486 "minimum" requirement was to disinherit the
responsibility of supporting 386-based machines, from what I've heard.  Not
only does it alleviate some pressure on their support department, but it
removes an entire generation of machines from their testing department,
since they simply don't do any testing on 386 machines (officially,
anyway).

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Will Honea                                        27-Nov-99 13:15:00
  To: Dave Davidson                                     27-Nov-99 13:15:00
Subj: Netscape....

Dave Davidson wrote to All on 11-26-1999

DD>  Is there any way to convert or import MS's IE bookmarks to OS/2's
DD>  Netscape? There's gotta be a way, I just haven't figured out how....yet.

Seems to me I remember being about to export (or save as, or something
like that) the IE favorites as an HTML file.   You can import that to
the NS address book.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                27-Nov-99 13:09:22
  To: Linda Proulx                                      28-Nov-99 00:48:02
Subj: SETUP

13 Nov 99 22:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff 
 LP> on another partition other than the OS one.  Is there a work around to
 LP>  do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until 
 LP> after I do all the jury rig?  Would love to do it during the original 
 LP> install & didn't see anything on the advance install.

You could edit your config.sys on install disk #1 and change the
parameters there. I've done similar things before, and it's worked for
me.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Peter Knapper                                     28-Nov-99 10:47:28
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Nov-99 00:48:02
Subj: fdisk /query

Hi Jonathan,

 MR> Now, if we could kill the convention of 
 MR> assigning letters to primary
 MR> partitions first, things could be a lot easier.

 JdBP> What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ?

How about the method used by unix? The boot partition is the Root, everything
else is mounted from that without regard to the partition type. To maintain
compatibilty with drive letter dead S/W, the boot partition becomes C: and no
other letters are assigned for partitions/drives at all (CD's, etc, are also
mounted under the Root). Then the "issue" over the visibility and ordering of
primary/logical partitions goes away completely...

For those applications that MUST base themselves off a "drive" and cannot use
C: (for whatever reason), allow the USER controlled assignment of a drive
letter to point to a particular directory entry that satisfies the "old" drive 
letter based S/W (EG for CDROM drives)..

While this is a MAJOR change in the concept of partitions and drive letter
assignment to DOS/OS2/Windows people, it is a change that may not be that
large or difficult to implement (he says innocently)........;-)

Cheers........pk.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      27-Nov-99 14:04:17
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       28-Nov-99 00:48:02
Subj: Re: Odin and app install

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GREGORY URBAN <=-


 MR> There's an EXTRACT.EXE program on the Win95 CD to unpack CAB files.

 MR> As to your problem, the only workaround that'll probably ever happen is
 MR> to run the installation in Win9x, then just try running the program
 MR> under OS/2.

And what if your not running Win9X?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      27-Nov-99 15:54:20
  To: Johnathan de Boyne Pollard                        28-Nov-99 00:48:02
Subj: Partlist

Greetings,

I noticed a post that you sent me the updated program.

I think it got lost in the cyber beyond, unfortunately.  Am please that
I was able for you to discover a bug 8-).

Thank you though for the thought.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Lee Aroner                                        25-Nov-99 23:12:00
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Nov-99 00:48:02
Subj: Install

 LA> This is the usual case of MS's "Do as I say, not as I do", since 
 LA> Command.Com continues to use FCBs for fast directlry deletions, 
 LA> just as I do.

LE> Try it under MS-DOS v6.x. Then try it in a Win 95 or 98 DOS "window"
  > (or with the system booted to the MS-DOS 7 that Win 9x runs on top of).

   You might want to try that yourself...my routines have been used 
   under those conditions for years.

   FCBs are too usefull for this little trick to *ever* go away.


                               LRA


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From: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  27-Nov-99 05:15:08
  To: Dave Davidson                                     28-Nov-99 06:01:14
Subj: Bunch of Questions....

> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work
>     properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4
>     (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys file
>     that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3).

>     abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go.
>     Darn thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS.
>     Any idea as to what I'm doing wrong?

     Question.  Did you remove the line for COM.SYS & VCOM.SYS and replace it
with SIO?  This wasn't stated in your question.  Sometime the ovious is over
looked.  IF you have removed COM.SYS and replaced it with SIO.  Then on to the
next item.

     Assuming you have installed the replacement Comm drivers SIO160D.ZIP

>     If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an
>     error message on boot up high lighting 03E8. If I leave that out, SIO
>     indicates a PCMCIA modem and says "Nothing Found". I've tried a

So you'll know what that SIO.SYS parameter does if you want to
change it:
   ....................... 3 = Com3
   :     ................. Locked Baud Rate
   :     :     ........... 3E8 = Address for Com3
   :     :     :   ....... 5 = IRQ5
   :     :     :   :   ... - = Unprotected DOS support
   :     :     :   :   :
 (COM3:115200,3E8,IRQ5,-)

     NO Spaces between the options.  If you do those ERROR's will occure.

     Do you have another device that is using the interupt address?  See below
for explination.  Com1 & Com3 use the same IRQ4.  Unless you have a controller
that allows "Shared" IRQ's this would be part of the reason your having
conflicts or that the modem can't be found.
 
Defaults:
--- Excerpt SIOREF.TXT ---
     Addresses and IRQs for COM1 and COM2
          COM1 uses 03F8h and IRQ4
          COM2 uses 02F8h and IRQ3

     Defacto standard for COM3 and COM4 for PC, XT and AT

          COM3 uses 03E8h and IRQ4
          COM4 uses 02E8h and IRQ3

     Addresses and IRQ for COM3 through COM8 on the PS/2

          COM3 uses 3220h and IRQ3
          COM4 uses 3228h and IRQ3
          COM5 uses 4220h and IRQ3
          COM6 uses 4228h and IRQ3
          COM7 uses 5220h and IRQ3
          COM8 uses 5228h and IRQ3
--- End Quote ---

     Here is what I have setup for use on my system.

IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:512 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\POINTDD.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\MOUSE.SYS SERIAL=COM1
DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM2:115200,2F8,IRQ3,-)
                      (COM3:115200,3E8,IRQ5,-)
                      (COM4,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3,-)
                      (COM5,INTERNET:1F8,NONE:3,-)
                      (COM6,INTERNET:1E8,NONE:3,-)
                      (COM7,INTERNET:4F8,NONE:3,-)
                      (COM8,INTERNET:4E8,NONE:3,-)

     (Note: COM1, 2F8h, IRQ4, is used by a serial mouse).

DEVICE=C:\SIO\VSIO.SYS
DEVICE=C:\SIO\VX00.SYS
rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\COM.SYS
rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS

    The above settings in my config.sys file allow me to setup 5 telnet ports
using one dial-in Internet connect.

Hope this helps if someone else hasn't replied.

Glen
The Animal

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From: Peter Knapper                                     28-Nov-99 16:22:25
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 06:01:14
Subj: Trap C errors...

Hi Folks,

Well I ran into something a little odd and was wondering if anyone else has
had the same happen to them. I have 2 machines, Machine A runing Warp 3 FP39,
machine B running Warp4 FP9. I have now discovered 2 pieces of S/W that will
run fine on machine B, but fail on machine A with a TRAP 5. Here is the log
from one of the failures -

=======================================================================
11-28-1999  16:00:57  SYS3175  PID 6a3a  TID 0001  Slot 0054
C:\MAX\SQAFIXP.EXE
c0000005
000000c0
P1=00000001  P2=000000c0  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX  
EAX=00000003  EBX=0000d75c  ECX=00000000  EDX=00000000
ESI=00000004  EDI=0000868e  
DS=0037  DSACC=00f3  DSLIM=0000ce5f  
ES=002f  ESACC=00f3  ESLIM=000010d6  
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
CS:EIP=005b:000000c0  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
SS:ESP=0037:0000cd10  SSACC=00f3  SSLIM=0000ce5f
EBP=0000ce3a  FLG=00012246
=======================================================================

An interesting point is that BOTH failing executables were created by the same 

programmer (Pete Kvitek), and contain the text -

        MS Run-Time Library - Copyright (c) 1990, Microsoft Corp

so they appear to be created using the same compiler. Also interesting is that 
I have other S/W from the same person/compiler that appears to run fine on
both machines. Both failing S/W are simple text mode programs, one .EXE dated
April 1996, the other dated May 1998. 

Does anyone have any ideas/knowledge of a cause and simple fix here, or should 
I try a re-install/re-apply the fixpak to see if the problem just "goes
away"... Machine A runs 24x7 so I am loath to spend time re-building the boot
partition if I do not have to.

Any ideas welcome............pk.


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From: George White                                      26-Nov-99 09:41:24
  To: Mike Roark                                        28-Nov-99 06:01:14
Subj: Bunch of Questions....

Hi Mike,

On 24-Nov-99, Mike Roark wrote to Dave Davidson:


 MR> Hello Dave!

 MR> Monday November 22 1999 16:25, Dave Davidson wrote to All:

 DD>> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to
 DD>> work properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3,
 DD>> 03E8, IRQ4 (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the
 DD>> config.sys file that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3). If I put the
 DD>> complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I
 MR> This one is easy..

 MR> (COM3:115200,3e8,irq4,,)

Except that those settings will conflict with COM1 default IRQ, and
OS/2 won't allow that. I have a similar problem to Dave, and I have
COM1 & 2 at default address and IRQ, COM3 is defined as using the
normal COM4 address and IRQ9 and the other UART is undefined under
OS/2. This is using the default Warp 4 COM drivers.

Under DOS I have COM1 to 3 at default address and IRQ, and COM4 at
default address and IRQ9.

 MR> Note, that there is a colon between the comX and the locked speed.
 MR> Check the SIOREF.TXT for more information about it. If you want to
 MR> share the port with a DOS program, the add a "-" in the 4th spot

 DD>> abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go.
 DD>> Darn thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS. Any idea
 DD>> as to what I'm doing wrong?

 MR> Are you sure it isn't one of those Winmodems? I know that the
 MR> boxes sure looked a lot alike.

Nope, it's IRQ conflict :-(. OS/2 won't share IRQs except on MCA bus
machines as the hardware IRQ implementation on the ISA bus can't
support it.

George

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Nov-99 12:04:21
  To: Stewart Buckingham                                28-Nov-99 06:01:14
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error

Hello Stewart,

22 Nov 99 22:55, Stewart Buckingham wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:

SB> Nobody using 4.04 has yet admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on
SB> their hard disk.

I don't have a os2pref.js file, it was the prefs.js file in the netscape user
directory that I posted here. Sorry about that. :)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Nov-99 12:30:19
  To: Louis Aubree                                      28-Nov-99 06:01:14
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Louis,

23 Nov 99 23:59, Louis Aubree wrote to Gord Hannah:

LA> Install Warp 3 red with Dual Boot on HPFS ? Is it possible ?

No, it is not possible to install Warp 3 in dual boot on a HPFS partition,
because plain DOS can not read HPFS partitions. I wouldn't use dual boot
anyway, because that's asking for trouble. :) I recommend to install any OS/2
version in its own HPFS boot partition with only the operating system in the
boot partition, no applications and no user data on the boot partition but
both on other partition(s), preferable HPFS, FAT partition only for exchange
with a plain DOS version if needed.

LA> With Win apps needed?

I recommend to install them on the user partition too (also preferable HPFS).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Nov-99 12:38:27
  To: Holger Granholm                                   28-Nov-99 06:01:14
Subj: Bunch of Questions....

Hello Holger,

24 Nov 99 10:57, Holger Granholm wrote to Dave Davidson:

DD>> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When

HG> I hope not. It's the slowest program I've ever used for that purpose.

Was that on a FAT partition with hundreds files in one or more directories
under plain DOS booted (=not under OS/2) without a disk cache ?  The cause of
that lies in the FAT file system.

HG> Doing it manually or from a file manager is ten times faster.

On HPFS partitions its lots faster than on FAT partitions when it comes to
hundreds (or more) files.

FC/2 can copy, move or delete whole directory trees very easy and fast. :)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Nov-99 12:46:03
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  28-Nov-99 06:01:14
Subj: Bunch of Questions....

Hello Rich,

24 Nov 99 20:51, Rich Wonneberger wrote to Wes Newell:

RW> Does your version show long file names??
RW> If so, what version do you have??  Mine only shows 8.3 type names

I use FC/2 (including its internal viewer and other viewers/players for
appropriate associated file types), I don't have a need for a separate list
clone. FC/2 gives colored directories too (any way you want :).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Bat Lang                                          28-Nov-99 02:21:08
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      28-Nov-99 15:26:22
Subj: Ftp

 -=> Quoting Ron Nicholls to Bat Lang, [25 Nov 99  22:00:00] <=-

 BL> I presume you are savvy that the 118 files at hursley are useable
 BL> ONLY if you already have installed an earlier 118? Here's from the
 BL> readme @ ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118/runtime.exe
 BL>          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~1
 BL>
 RN> /**********************************************************************
 RN> *****/ BL>
 BL> /* Java for OS/2 service update version JDK 1.1.8 IBM build
 BL> o118-19991026  */
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^2
 RN> Well, actually, I have not consciously installed 1.1.8. I distinctly
 RN> remember downloading all 20 meg of 1.1.7 and installing that.
 RN> BUT if I check ---

 RN> [C:\]java -fullversion
 RN> JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990728 (JIT enabled:
 RN> javax V3. 5-IBMJDK1.1-19990728)"            ~~~~~~~~~~~~3

 RN> I get this.

 RN> I did install a runtime/samples/toolkik/exe files sometime
 RN> ago after installing 1.1.7. Did they update Java 1.1.7 to 1.1.8 ???

After you dnld and install the underscored'1' ftp URL above, your
underscored'3' build level will become as underscored'2' above (10/26
vice 07/28) and most of your files in x:\java11\* will assume that date.
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Andy Roberts                                      28-Nov-99 09:35:12
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 18:20:24
Subj: Syquest & Iomega drivers

 All ,

I need specific info for the exact URL and file names to get drivers for OS/2
for:

Iomega Internal SCSI ZIP drive

Syquest SparQ1.0 parallel drive

I'm trying to find those for Linda Proulx, before I send her a CD of OS/2
ShareWare and other OS/2 apps.

After several hours of searching the net, this is what I have accumulated:

--- Iomega ---
 http://www.iomega.com/software/drivers.html
 Zip 100, Zip 250, ZipPlus for OS/2, Search results:
 "No response.  Server could be down."

--- IBM Device Driver Pak --- 
 http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/removabl/index.htm
 100MB External USB Zip Drive 
 Iomega Zip ATA Drive 
   Manufacturer Information
   Iomega 
    WWW site: www.iomega.com. 
    Technical Support E-Mail Address: info@iomega.com. 
    Technical Support: 801-629-7629. 
    BBS: 801-778-5888. 
    Sales: 800-697-8833. 
    General enquiries: 801-778-1000. 
    
--- Syquest ---
drivers.txt
 Support - Driver/Utilities Download
 SparQ 1.0 GB Files
 There are NO OS/2 drivers listed.
 Search for "Sparq +Parallel +OS/2" results:
 "No drivers were found which matched your selections."
 http://www.syquest.com/drivers/
 Corporate Headquarters 
 SYQT, Inc.
 Suite 222
 21060 Homestead Road
 Cupertino, CA 95014
 Email: info@syquest.com 
 
TB3313.txt - SyJet Parallel Port help file for OS/2
 http://www.syquest.com/support/tb3313.html

TB3211.txt - SparQ Parallel Port Installation Help for DOS/Windows 3.1x
 http://www.syquest.com/support/tb3211.html

sparqug.pdf - SparQ 1.0 GB User Guide (or via FTP)
 http://www.syquest.com/support/manuals.html 
 
sparq_p.pdf - Parallel Port Installation Guide for PC Compatibles (or via FTP)
 http://www.syquest.com/support/manuals.html 

ftp.txt
 http://www.syquest.com/support/ftp.html
 Updated Drivers/Utilities

pi_355_1.exe
 SparQ 1.0 GB Files  Parallel Port 
 Windows 95 / Windows 98 
 Driver/Utilities
 v3.55_1 (PI_355_1.EXE - 3/31/98 - 1.05 MB) and
 v3.55_2 (PI_355_2.EXE - 3/31/98 - 448 KB) 
 Both files are required. 
 http://www.syquest.com/drivers/

pi_355_2.exe
 SparQ 1.0 GB Files  Parallel Port 
 Windows 95 / Windows 98 
 Driver/Utilities
 v3.55_1 (PI_355_1.EXE - 3/31/98 - 1.05 MB) and
 v3.55_2 (PI_355_2.EXE - 3/31/98 - 448 KB) 
 Both files are required. 
 http://www.syquest.com/drivers/

pi_355_4.exe
 SparQ 1.0 GB Files  Parallel Port 
 Windows NT 
 Drivers v3.55 (PI_355_4.EXE - 3/31/98 - 163 KB)
 Additional utilities are not available at this time. 

pi_355_3.exe
 SparQ 1.0 GB Files  Parallel Port 
 DOS/Win3.1x 
 Driver/Utilities v3.55 (PI_355_3.EXE - 3/31/98 - 1.13 MB) 

pi_355_0.exe
 Parallel Port Single Install Diskette for SparQ drives only. 
 DO NOT use with other drives.
 v3.55 (PI_355_0.EXE - 3/19/98 - 957 KB) 
 Single Install Diskette (SparQ only) 
 The Single Install Diskette contains the software required to install your
 SyQuest drive using the drivers and utilities found on your SyQuest
 Starter Cartridge. This is EXACTLY THE SAME as the Install Diskette
 that came with your drive. It does not update the drivers and utilities to
 the latest released version.  
 
--- End ---

As you can see above there are drivers for the Iomega ZIP ATA and USB
available from IBM.  But no other removable media drivers are available from
that famous Device Driver Pak web site, AFAIK.  That doesn't totally rule out
Iomega, later if their server works better than it did this morning.  But
don't get your hopes up about that.  I bypassed their search and in spite of
OS/2 being an option in their search page, the actual full list of drivers did
not include any OS/2 drivers.  My recommendation to Linda was to write E-Mail
to Iomega at info@iomega.com.

Likewise AFAIK Syquest does not have any OS/2 drivers for the parallel Sparq,
although they do have OS/2 drivers for the SyJet.  Again my recommendation to
Linda was to write E-Mail to Syquest at info@syquest.com 

BTW, some of the info I found implied that Warp4 (no mention of Warp3) with a
fairly recent FixPak might have updated DASD* stuff to support removable media
drives, without any additional special drivers.

Does anyone have specific info about either of those 2 drives and OS/2
drivers (file name and exact URL)?

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       28-Nov-99 05:46:00
  To: PETER KNAPPER                                     28-Nov-99 18:20:24
Subj: >2Mb drive issues.

Some senseless babbling from Peter Knapper to All
on 11-27-99  12:26 about >2Mb drive issues....

 PK> Hi Folks,

 PK> While browsing around my system the other day I discovered the
 PK> following piece from my \IBMLAN\IBMLAN.INI file -

 PK> =======================================================================
 PK> = ; 35  free disk space reported to DOS and Windows applications
 PK> ;        0 = return true value (default)
 PK> ;        1 = return a value less than two gigabytes
 PK> ;
 PK> ; The next lines help you to locate bits in the wrkheuristics entry.
 PK> ;                           1         2         3         4
 PK> ;                 012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
 PK> wrkheuristics = 111111112131111111000101112011122100111110
 PK> ^
 PK> |
 PK> Change this bit to 1!
 PK> =======================================================================
 PK> = 
 PK> So if you have DOS/Windows clients accessing large volumes on an OS/2
 PK> machine across a LAN, then it appears that you can have OS/2 respond to
 PK> them with an acceptable disk space value without requiring extra
 PK> utilities. 
 PK> I haven't tried it but it may be useful to someone...........pk.

You don't have to limit this to LAN drives.  By mapping a drive letter to a
local share, you can use the same functionality locally.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       28-Nov-99 05:49:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      28-Nov-99 18:20:24
Subj: Re: Odin and app install

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai
on 11-27-99  14:04 about Re: Odin and app install...

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GREGORY URBAN <=-
 
 
 MR> There's an EXTRACT.EXE program on the Win95 CD to unpack CAB files.
 
 MR> As to your problem, the only workaround that'll probably ever happen is
 MR> to run the installation in Win9x, then just try running the program
 MR> under OS/2.

 LP> And what if your not running Win9X?

Then you're probably SOL.  Unless Odin is expanded in scope to also make
native executables out of Win16 programs.

They'd be 16-bit PM programs, of course, but the amount of work required to
accomplish this would probably exceed that required to get Win32 working.

Not likely to happen, since Win16 programs can already be run under OS/2.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Scott Jones                                       28-Nov-99 13:44:13
  To: Dave Davidson                                     28-Nov-99 18:20:24
Subj: Re: Netscape....

-=> On 26 Nov 99  12:24:39, Dave Davidson wrote to All <=-

 DD>  After switching from WIN98/IE environment to OS/2 & Netscape, I miss
 DD>  my rather extensive "Favorites" folder of URL's.

 DD>  Is there any way to convert or import MS's IE bookmarks to OS/2's
 DD>  Netscape? There's gotta be a way, I just haven't figured out
 DD>  how....yet.

Not that I know of from within OS/2.  However, I did run across a Win
utility that will convert the "Favorites" folder to a Netscape bookmark
file, which can then be imported into Netscape (Ctrl-B, File -> Import).
I'll go ahead and send it to your email address.


                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)




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From: Will Honea                                        28-Nov-99 14:15:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     28-Nov-99 14:15:00
Subj: Trap C errors...

Peter Knapper wrote to All on 11-28-1999

PK> Well I ran into something a little odd and was wondering if 
PK> anyone else has had the same happen to them. I have 2 
PK> machines, Machine A runing Warp 3 FP39, machine B running 
PK> Warp4 FP9. I have now discovered 2 pieces of S/W that will 
PK> run fine on machine B, but fail on machine A with a TRAP 5. 
PK> Here is the log from one of the failures -
PK> 
PK> =======================================================================
PK> 11-28-1999  16:00:57  SYS3175  PID 6a3a  TID 0001  Slot 0054
PK> C:\MAX\SQAFIXP.EXE c0000005 000000c0 P1=00000001  P2=000000c0 
PK> P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX   EAX=00000003  EBX=0000d75c  ECX=00000000 
PK> EDX=00000000 ESI=00000004  EDI=0000868e   DS=0037  DSACC=00f3 
PK> DSLIM=0000ce5f   ES=002f  ESACC=00f3  ESLIM=000010d6   FS=150b 
PK> FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030 GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
PK> CS:EIP=005b:000000c0  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
PK> SS:ESP=0037:0000cd10  SSACC=00f3  SSLIM=0000ce5f EBP=0000ce3a 
PK> FLG=00012246 

Peter, that error is sys3175 - illegal memory access (AKA GPF <g>). 
Since the programs in question are all DOS vdm's I'd suggest looking at
the DOS settings on both machines, especially the memory settings. 
Obvious question: these appear to be rather old programs so did they
ever work on the machine that's crashing??

One other thought:  try launching the one that crashes from a
full-screen DOS session.  If that works, you can be fairly certain that
the problem is due to extended memory usage.  One problem I've had is
inherent to the MSC5/6 - which is what this appears to be - and that is
a bug in the memory allocation  routine in the malloc function.  No
known cure for that except a re-compile with a fixed library but it
does produce out-of-bounds memory accesses.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     27-Nov-99 19:58:05
  To: Jack Stein                                        28-Nov-99 22:30:22
Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40

Jack Stein wrote on 25 Nov 1999 at 10:27 to Jaap Van.Veen:

 JS> Jaap Van.Veen wrote in a message to All:

 JVV> As I have recalled earlier, my system (486DX2 66) is much
 JVV> faster with FP40 installed. This has to do with the faster
 JVV> handling of the harddisk. 

 JVV> However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is
 JVV> not serviced in time causing overruns. Does somebody know
 JVV> how I can avoid overrun of COM1. 

 JVV> I am using SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS since the beginning of
 JVV> my dealing with OS/2.

 JS> I run WARP 3 with no fixpaks (other than it is released at FP5.  I
 JS> upgraded my IBM1S506 and the DASD drivers only, and did that at the
 JS> FB17 level, and that was needed ONLY for multiple drive recognition
 JS> on a CD Changer.  Anyway, I once installed the newer drivers that
 JS> were released for large drives (>4gigs), although my stock drivers
 JS> recognized my 5 gig drive with no problem, I installed them just
 JS> for kicks.  Suddenly, I started getting modem overrun errors, on
 JS> the BBS (DOS) and on the internet (OS/2).  I tracked the problem
 JS> down to these new drivers, and I'm sure that is exactly where your
 JS> problem is coming from.  I tried 9 million things to correct the
 JS> errors, based on a bunch of recommendations in here for switches to
 JS> the IBM1S506 config.sys line, but not a damn one worked. I had to
 JS> put the older disk drivers from FP17 back in to stop the modem
 JS> errors.  I was suprised a disk driver could create modem overrun
 JS> errors, but it did, absolutly positively was the cause.

 JS> I recommend you move that driver to another name, and stick in your
 JS> old IBM1s506 driver and see if the problem doesn't disappear.  All
 JS> you need do is copy it to the correct directory and reboot.
Thanks for the info. I will try to find an old (pre FP39) IBMS506 and try to
fix the problem.
Jaap 
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From: Wes Newell                                        28-Nov-99 17:24:01
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 22:30:22
Subj: hpfs386

Anyone here have any problems running hpfs386 on W4.


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From: Bat Lang                                          28-Nov-99 17:04:16
  To: Dave Davidson                                     29-Nov-99 03:33:21
Subj: Netscape....

 -=> Quoting Dave Davidson to All, [26 Nov 99  12:24:39] <=-

 DD> After switching from WIN98/IE environment to OS/2 & Netscape, I miss
 DD> my rather extensive "Favorites" folder of URL's.

 DD> Is there any way to convert or import MS's IE bookmarks to OS/2's
 DD> Netscape? There's gotta be a way, I just haven't figured out
 DD> how....yet.

Howdy, Dave!
Look for a pgm called Bookmark Magic, widely available, or on Simtelnet:

sabbc121.zip B 669175 981211 Converts/Merges IE and Netscape Bookmarks

Oak.oakland.edu/pub/simtelnet/win95/webbrows/<filename>

Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: George White                                      27-Nov-99 11:14:24
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Nov-99 03:33:21
Subj: Win-os2 setup

Hi Linda,

On 25-Nov-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> I think my last question got lost in cyber neverneverland because
 LP> surprisingly no one replied.

 LP> The original question was that on quick perusal, the Blue win file
 LP> structure looks very much the same as Win3.1X.  If this is
 LP> correct, why would I not need an uninstaller as win programs will
 LP> set themselves up in the inis as before?

Andrew Belov gave an answer to this question when you first asked
it back in October... Here it is again:

(Wed Oct 20 1999) Linda Proulx wrote to All...

 LP> Running Warp 3 Red

 LP> Regular 3rd party uninstall programs will uninstall Win programs?

 LP> Running Warp 3 Blue

 LP> Do I need the 3rd party uninstall or will it uninstall thru Warp?

Uninstalling Windows programs is a Windows uninstallers' job.
Therefore, it is irrelevant which flavor of Warp is used to do it

Actually, the best tool to uninstall a Windows 3.x application is to
remove it manually since configuration is held in text files, so this
job could be easily accomplished

<end> of extract

 LP> Or is there something I'm really missing?

Essentially the WinOS/2 supplied with OS/2 is just a modified and
recompiled version of the standard Windows 3.x so, as Andrew said, if
you are used to using a 3rd party uninstaller for Win 3.x apps you
should continue to do so.

George

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From: George White                                      28-Nov-99 08:37:08
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       29-Nov-99 03:33:21
Subj: fdisk /query

Hi MIKE,

On 26-Nov-99, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GEORGE WHITE:

 GW>> I don't think so, what you're seeing on your system is a
 GW>> different problem (FDISK peculiarity :-( ). When FDISK is told to
 GW>> create an extended partition on a drive with no primary defined,
 GW>> it creates a minimum size, hidden, inaccessible, primary
 GW>> partition on the drive at the start. Why? - don't ask me...

 MR> Will Honea pointed out what should have been obvious - the
 MR> convention is to have partition tables on cylinder boundaries.  I
 MR> can't see any reason why this is necessary, but it just is.

Yes, I'd forgotten that point as well :-(. The years roll on and
memory isn't what it used to be (well, that's my excuse <g>).
A pity Will's reply got here after I posted my contribution :-(.


George

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Nov-99 10:59:09
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Nov-99 03:33:21
Subj: Win-os2 setup

Hello Linda,

25 Nov 99 14:22, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

LP> I think my last question got lost in cyber neverneverland because
LP> surprisingly no one replied.

I received your message

LP> The original question was that on quick perusal, the Blue win file
LP> structure looks very much the same as Win3.1X.  If this is correct,
LP> why would I not need an uninstaller as win programs will set
LP> themselves up in the inis as before?

but I don't use winos2 so I can't answer that

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Nov-99 16:27:26
  To: All                                               29-Nov-99 03:33:21
Subj: r0stub.sys

Hello All,

The r0stub.sys driver in the MMOS2 directory seem to necessary for the system
to generate sound (without it there is no sound from the system). I wonder
what's the function of this driver precisely?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Lee Aroner                                        28-Nov-99 16:38:00
  To: All                                               29-Nov-99 08:06:00
Subj: WarpCenter INI file ?

   Anyone know what the WarpCenter INI file is?

   Had a crash today and wound up having to install from backup 
   because I conldn't find any obvious file to restore the only 
   broken part - the WarpCenter.

                                      LRA

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From: Peter Knapper                                     29-Nov-99 20:50:27
  To: Will Honea                                        29-Nov-99 08:06:00
Subj: Trap C errors...

Hi Will,

PK> 11-28-1999  16:00:57  SYS3175  PID 6a3a  TID 0001  Slot 0054
PK> C:\MAX\SQAFIXP.EXE c0000005 000000c0 P1=00000001  P2=000000c0 
PK> P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX   EAX=00000003  EBX=0000d75c  ECX=00000000 
PK> EDX=00000000 ESI=00000004  EDI=0000868e   DS=0037  DSACC=00f3 
PK> DSLIM=0000ce5f   ES=002f  ESACC=00f3  ESLIM=000010d6   FS=150b 
PK> FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030 GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
PK> CS:EIP=005b:000000c0  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
PK> SS:ESP=0037:0000cd10  SSACC=00f3  SSLIM=0000ce5f EBP=0000ce3a 
PK> FLG=00012246 

 WH> Peter, that error is sys3175 - illegal memory access (AKA GPF <g>). 
 WH> Since the programs in question are all DOS vdm's I'd suggest looking at
 WH> the DOS settings on both machines, especially the memory settings. 

Ummm, I am not sure how you figured that one, but SQAFIXP is not a DOS App,
its an OS/2 Text mode executable. Here is the beginning of the file -

======================================================================
 00000000  MZZ.-...................@.......................................
 00000040  ........!..L.!This program cannot be run in DOS mode...$........
 00000080  NE.................>t|............@.p.p.{...(...................
 000000C0  ..I...J...B...B...............P...........0......sqafixp........
 00000100  .....msgapi.DOSCALLS.KBDCALLS.VIOCALLS...sqafixp.exe............
 00000140  ................................................................
 00000180  ................................................................
======================================================================

 WH> Obvious question: these appear to be rather old programs so did they
 WH> ever work on the machine that's crashing??

Yes, at least one of them ran ok on Warp 3 with no Fixpak, I have not tried
the other App until now so I cannot check that one. The only FP I have ever
applied to that machine was FP39. One executable is dated 1998, the other
1996. Is 1998 now considered "old"?.........;-)

For what its worth I run them in an OS/2 Window on all machines. I was hoping
this may be a known "problem" with FP39, but maybe not...

Cheers............pk.


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From: Rachel Veraa                                      27-Nov-99 20:25:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Nov-99 09:11:27
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?

In a message to Rachel Veraa, Eddy Thilleman wrote:

ET> This is already done, several people have replied (including me)
ET> pointing to the webpage where you can find the OS2FAT32 driver.
ET> Haven't you received these messages?

Yes, thanks.  But I don't have a FAT32 partition on my system... nor do I want 
one.

(I'm already running four IFS's as it is :)


       N'a pale pi ta,
           Rachel

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From: Loren Olson                                       27-Nov-99 20:59:00
  To: All                                               29-Nov-99 18:05:14
Subj: Warp 4 sound card

Anyone have a sound card that would work with OS/2 Warp 4, that they would
like
to sell.  Just thought I would ask, as I have yet to find one in any of the
catalogs that I get.  Would be happy to a reasonable price of course including
the shipping costs.  I would give my hinds teeth to get back to using OS/2
but,
having no sound card makes it a real drag.  Thanks to anyone who might reply.

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From: Will Honea                                        29-Nov-99 22:16:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     29-Nov-99 22:16:00
Subj: Trap C errors...

Peter Knapper wrote to Will Honea on 11-29-1999

PK> Ummm, I am not sure how you figured that one, but SQAFIXP 
PK> is not a DOS App, its an OS/2 Text mode executable. Here is 
PK> the beginning of the file -

ASS-U-ME'd it <g> from the MSC library reference.  That RTL dates back
a while and I have some unpleasant memories of it.  So it's a new
compile with an old compiler.  From the registers, it looks like the
crash is right about the spot that the session memory allocation is
being initialized during startup but it would take a load map to be
sure.
 
I just looked at the APAR list for fp40 and the only thing I found
that might relate is:

APAR= PJ25937
 DOSSUBALLOCMEM POOL IS CORRUPTED IF A SIGNAL IS RECEIVED
 DURING API PROCESSING.

This was fixed in fp40.  The large majority of 3175's addressed in the
Warp 3 fixpaks are related to PMMERGE.DLL hence the suggestion to try
the program in a full screen session or booted to the command line. 
I've spent the last year chasing some elusive 3175 traps in DOSCALL1
from Warp 3 - to the point of having IBM in to analyze the core dumps -
with a notable lack of success.  To date, fp 38 has been the most
reliable on the hardware we're using but 40 seems to be doing quite
well so far.  I've only had it deployed for 3 months but a lot of
nagging little nits seem to have been put to rest.  I can't comment re.
fp 39 since we skipped that one while chasing the gremlins in fp 38.
OTOH, fp 40 broke some longtime reliable WinOS2 apps for some user
groups so flip a coin...

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        29-Nov-99 22:23:01
  To: Lee Aroner                                        29-Nov-99 22:23:01
Subj: WarpCenter INI file ?

Lee Aroner wrote to All on 11-28-1999

LA>    Anyone know what the WarpCenter INI file is?
LA> 
LA>    Had a crash today and wound up having to install from backup 
LA>    because I conldn't find any obvious file to restore the only 
LA>    broken part - the WarpCenter.

Don't think there is one, Lee.  Some of the stuff is kept in the
OS2.INI but it appears that most of the Warpcenter stuff is in the
\os2\dll\dockxx.cfg files (all that marvelous documentation helps -
sure!).  Only way I've found to recover is to a: restore an archived
desktop during boot or b: delete the dockxx.cfg files and start over or
c: restore the whole thing from backup or d: PUNT!

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     29-Nov-99 11:34:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Nov-99 11:34:00
Subj: Syquest & Iomega drivers

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-28-99, Andy Roberts to All)

Hu Andy--

AR>I need specific info for the exact URL and file names to get drivers
  >for OS/2 for:

AR>Iomega Internal SCSI ZIP drive

AR>Syquest SparQ1.0 parallel drive

AR>I'm trying to find those for Linda Proulx, before I send her a CD of
  >OS/2 ShareWare and other OS/2 apps.

    I can't tell you anything about the SparQ drive, because I've never
seen one.  I am running two parallel-port ZIP-100s, one on each of the
two Warp 4 systems here, with the driver I got from of the Device Driver
Pak CD-ROM that came with Warp 4.

    From INDEX.HTM, look under Miscellaneous Storage Support -> Iomega.
You will find a list of Iomega drive products.  Irrespective of which
one you click on, you will get a pointer to download the same
self-extracting file: IOMG_OS2.EXE, that contains the drivers for the
listed Iomega drives, including both the parallel-port and SCSI versions
of the ZIP-100.  (This 1996 file was too early for the ZIP-250.  I would
assume that if you followed the same track on the on-line IBM DDPAK, you
would get a more modern version of IOMG_OS2.EXE that would include the
ZIP-250.)  Incidentally, some of the instructions in the documentation
didn't work for my drives, but that is to be expected from on-line
documentation :-(.

    If I check (on the CD-ROM) Miscellaneous Storage Support -> SyQuest
Technology, Inc., I am not shown any entries for the SparQ drives, but
that CD-ROM is too early.  Each entry listed states that the drivers
"shipped with the product" have been tested for Warp 3 and Warp 4, but
doesn't show any drivers as available for download.  The ddpak gives two
Inet addresses for SyQuest: www.syquest.com and ftp.syquest.com.  Take
your pick :-).

AR>After several hours of searching the net, this is what I have
  >accumulated:
....remainder deleted

    You have just given another excellent example of why trying to find
anything on the Web drives me up the wall, particularly trying to find
technical information by using the available search engines.  I suggest
that you forget the search engines and go directly to
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/index.htm and follow the path
through Miscellaneous Storage Support.  If the device you are interested
in is not listed, this indicates that there is a very high probability
(although not certainty) that no OS/2 driver for that device exists.

    Incidentally, I find WebEx (I'm using the version that came with
Warp 4) much easier to use (and, apparently, faster) than Netscape/2 for
downloading files from http sources.

    Hope this helps,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 11:51:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Dos C drive

15 Nov 99 17:37, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would
 LP> OS/2 see it then.

OS/2 can only see one primary partition at a time. Not FDISK, not the
installation procedure - but OS/2 itself.

If you wanted to access this drive, you should have installed OS/2 in a
logical partition (Personally, I'd reccomend HPFS, rather than your
choice of FAT), and OS/2 would have nicely recognized your Pri DOS
partition until the cows came home.

   Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath)     WWW: http://sprk.com/blackdeath
   E-Mail: blackdeath@tinys.oix.com        ICQ: 3484915

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 12:15:19
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: fdisk /query

17 Nov 99 04:20, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD:

 MR> The problem, it would seem, is more complicated than that.  OS/2 
 MR> apparently has no trouble assigning letters to multiple primary 
 MR> partitions on one drive, but Boot Manager stops the show if it's told 
 MR> to boot a primary partition, by way of making that partition visible, 
 MR> and all other primary partitions not visible.

I've never used Boot Manager, and OS/2 here can't see my FAT (2nd
primary) partition.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 12:26:05
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: fdisk /query

17 Nov 99 04:24, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD:

 MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely 
 MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024 
 MR> cylinders.

Unbootable, not invisible :>

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 11:56:23
  To: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Re: file /query

16 Nov 99 00:34, Jeffrey J. Counsil wrote to Mike Ruskai:

 JJC> Sure it does.. Look at the starting cylinder.. ;-)

Not neccesarily an indication. ISTM that you can have an extended
partition starting at cyl. 0, with a primary partition after it.

I don't believe that this is neccesarily a GOOD idea, but I don't see
why it wouldn't work..

 MR>>  LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
 MR>>  LP> 1 0000003f      c:    1     06       2     0  1023
 MR>>  LP> 2 0000003f      g:    1     06       2     0  1023

 JJC> Looks like c: and g: to me are primary.. 

I think that's what the Status: 2 means.

Stewart Honsberger,
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 11:48:23
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet

14 Nov 99 15:29, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX:

 MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military 
 MR> may use his program.  Call it misguided pacifism.

Obviously in your pro-military zeal, you've missed the point of the
clause. It's to save his ass if that program is discovered to be used in
any not-so-on the level military purposes, he's covered. Granted, the
case is far off and extreme, but he's covered nonetheless.

Use it, don't use it. Personally, I don't care. But I'm getting rather
bored of all the G.I. Joes preaching about military superiority and
"pacifism" nonsense. Go cry to the author, not us.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 12:29:26
  To: Coridon Henshaw                                   30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Get Going

18 Nov 99 16:34, Coridon Henshaw wrote to Andy Roberts:

 CH> For comparison, the toner cartridge in a Xerox DocuPrint P8e will 
 CH> print 5,000 pages and costs about $200 (CDN) to replace.  This works 
 CH> out to 4 cents (CDN) a page.

 CH> If you can afford the initial capital for a laser printer, don't 
 CH> waste money on an inkjet.

My parents have an HP LaserJet (something, might be III) and it's still
got 3/5 of its ink left (in the original cartridge), and I *KNOW* it's
printed well over 5k of pages! I, personally, have printed more
worthless stuff than I can count while I was living there (including
such things as banners where one letter took up one page - solid black
{wince}), but have also printed several dozen resumees, a 400+ page
story a friend of mine thought she was going to turn into a novel, etc..
ad infinitum - and that was just me out of a household of 4 people.

I swear, if they ever switch to a colour printer, I'll pay any price for
that laser of theirs.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 12:08:02
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Install

16 Nov 99 20:29, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Linda Proulx:

 LP>> FILES=20

 HR> Should at least 90

Why? I've never had a problem. Besides, if you get a DOS app that needs
more, just change it for that specific VDM.

No need to chew memory needlesly.

 LP>> SWAPPATH=d:\ 4096 10240
 HR> 20480 10240

I don't think that (the first value) needs to be set quite that high.
I've got mine at 16MeB's right now, which should give me plenty of time
to start killing errant apps before I overflow.

Then again, I've got a swapfile and drivespace monitor on my WPS, so I'd
be an idiot to miss the bars moving up and down respectively :>

 LP>> THREADS=256
 HR> 512

Again - why? I'm at 256 and have never once come close to running out,
and I've even tried. :>

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 11:37:24
  To: Dave Davidson                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....

14 Nov 99 14:52, Dave Davidson wrote to All:

 DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory.  OS/2 only 
 DD> see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted.

Have you grabbed the latest IDE drivers? IIRC, they corrected that
problem so you can now use upwards (and beyond?) 36GiB drives or so.

 DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives, 
 DD> how can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready, 
 DD> simply because there isn't a disk in the drive?

I'm looking for a similar answer myself. Mainly, when I boot and there's
an audio CD in the drive, I get an error about no file system on the
drive, or drive unreadable, or some other such nonsense.

When I open the drives icon, though, I don't get that error. It
automagically figures out that there is no floppy in my drive A:, and no
ZIP disk in my I:

 DD> (2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3 and 
 DD> COM4, neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only registers COM1 and 
 DD> COM2 when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available 
 DD> under OS/2. I _did_ add the line <COM3:115200,3E8> <COM4:115200,2E8>
 DD> to the DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else 
 DD> I need to do?

Have you tried adding the IRQ to the entries?

<COM3:115200,3E8,IRQ4> <COM4:115200,2E8,IRQ3>

 DD> (3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and used by 
 DD> OS/2 however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is to exit OS/2!

Open the Drives icon, right click the ZIP drive and select "Eject Disk".
Works every time!

Otherwise - there's a command-line utility (EJECT.EXE) that you can use.
Here, I use "eject I:" and out pops the disk.

 DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2 
 DD> WARP Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background 
 DD> with just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible 
 DD> and if so, how?

Right-click your desktop, select "Properties" (should be the second one
from the top, unlike at the bottom in that 'other' OS), and click the
"Background" tab. Within the Background configuration, you'll see "Color
Only" (damn US English!) and "Select Color". Both should be pretty self
explanatory, so I won't insult you :>

 DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... Will 
 DD> DOS Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a ScreenSaver active 
 DD> as they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few 
 DD> years and it may take a while to get over the "WIN think" as well. 

Heh.. Luckily, I got over that rather quickly :> Especially after
starting to use Linux - I had to lose a) the DOS think, and b) the
single user think! What a transition that was...

Anyways, I'm not sure about the DOS comm program thing, because I use
neither a DOS comm program or a screen saver.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Nov-99 12:20:08
  To: Mike Roark                                        30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Thank you

17 Nov 99 20:45, Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx:

 MR> Heck, at that rate it will probably be a PIIIIIIIIIIIII ;-))

That'd be a P-XIII {snerk}

 MR> And from what I've been reading, the AMD Athlon chip is pretty fast
 MR> too.

My experience with AMD chips is that they ARE faster than Intels, and,
of course, a mere fraction of the cost (I believe I can still get an AMD
K6-2-450 for the price of an Intel PII 350).

 MR> I finally got away from the Wintel systems, and have never regretted
 MR> it.

I've got an Intel P166 here for two reasons; because the computer store
I went to only *HAD* (w)Intels, and it was a gift so I wasn't going to
refuse (it was a LOT better than my 486 DX4-100 :> ).

   Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath)     WWW: http://sprk.com/blackdeath
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From: Ian Moote                                         29-Nov-99 09:59:00
  To: LEE ARONER                                        30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: WarpCenter INI file ?

LA> Anyone know what the WarpCenter INI file is?

Back in April John Angelico was kind enough to inform me that the 
WarpCenter configuration is stored in the files c:\os2\dll\scenter.cfg 
and c:\os2\dll\dock*.cfg. Hope this helps. Take care and TTYL.


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From: Dave Davidson                                     28-Nov-99 23:42:02
  To: Scott Jones                                       30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Re: Netscape....

Hiya Scott,

28-Nov-99 13:44:26, Scott Jones wrote to Dave Davidson
          Subject: Re: Netscape....
  -=> On 26 Nov 99  12:24:39, Dave Davidson wrote to All <=-

 DD>> Is there any way to convert or import MS's IE bookmarks to OS/2's
 DD>> Netscape? There's gotta be a way, I just haven't figured out
 DD>> how....yet.

 SJ> Not that I know of from within OS/2.  However, I did run across a
 SJ> Win utility that will convert the "Favorites" folder to a Netscape
 SJ> bookmark file, which can then be imported into Netscape (Ctrl-B,
 SJ> File -> Import). I'll go ahead and send it to your email address.

 Got it and it worked super! Many thanks....

 I'm getting closer and closer to deleting all the MS "stuff" off this
 machine. Just a few more items to take care of....


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net

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From: Holger Granholm                                   28-Nov-99 17:44:00
  To: Rachel Veraa                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows

In a message dated 11-26-99, Rachel Veraa said to Roy J. Tellason:

 RV>        N'a pale pi ta,
 RV>            Rachel

RJT> What does that mean?

RV>"Talk to ya later."

RV>Literally:

RV>N' = (nou = we
RV>a         = future indicator (shall)
RV>pale      = speak
RV>pi        = more
RV>ta        = late

RV>    [nah pal-AY pee tah]

RV> * Origin:    Birdsoft - North Miami       (1:135/907)

And what language is that?  Miamish?

Seasons Greetings,

Holger

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Nov-99 09:56:18
  To: Rachel Veraa                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?

Hello Rachel,

26 Nov 99 20:40, Rachel Veraa wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RV>> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long
RV>> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files?

ET>> I don't use it because I don't have FAT32 partitions.

RV> I don't either.  Just plain ol' FAT 16.

I don't have win95. According to the docs, the OS2FAT32 driver can use win95
long filenames (vfat) if that's what you're after.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Nov-99 11:59:18
  To: George White                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: fdisk /query

Hello George,

19 Nov 99 10:04, George White wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:

GW> I don't think so, what you're seeing on your system is a different
GW> problem (FDISK peculiarity :-( ). When FDISK is told to create an
GW> extended partition on a drive with no primary defined, it creates a
GW> minimum size, hidden, inaccessible, primary partition on the drive at
GW> the start. Why? - don't ask me...

I think this is the result of the kludgy idiot partition table scheme that's
in use for a looooong time now. If FDISK DOS version is able to create logical 
partitions on a blank disk without any primary partition, I think it would
result in the same sympton. I don't know if the DOS version of FDISK can do
this, I've never tried and I don't care.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Nov-99 12:39:19
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: vkbd.sys

Hello Jonathan,

20 Nov 99 13:04, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Murray Lesser:

JP> It communicates with VKBD.SYS, which takes keystrokes intended for the

I have that VKBD.SYS file in \OS2\MDOS in my boot partition, but it is not
listed in config.sys. The virtual driver VKBD.SYS is loaded (I checked with
Process Commander) so I assume it's loaded silently?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Nov-99 13:36:14
  To: Peter Knapper                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: >2Mb drive issues.

Hello Peter,

27 Nov 99 09:45, Peter Knapper wrote to All:

PK> So if you have DOS/Windows clients accessing large volumes on an OS/2
PK> machine across a LAN, then it appears that you can have OS/2 respond
PK> to them with an acceptable disk space value without requiring extra
PK> utilities.

Or use the 2GBFIX TSR:

2GBFIX works around this by patching the appropriate DOS calls so that
they never return more than 2GB of total or free space, which prevents
the program failing at the expense of the program not having a true
idea of the actual amount of disk space. For most practical purposes
this is not a problem.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Nov-99 13:41:28
  To: Dave Davidson                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Netscape....

Hello Dave,

26 Nov 99 12:24, Dave Davidson wrote to All:

DD> Is there any way to convert or import MS's IE bookmarks to OS/2's
DD> Netscape? There's gotta be a way, I just haven't figured out
DD> how....yet.

I don't know if there are tools to do that for you, if not you can still do it 
yourself (copy & paste for example).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Jack Stein                                        28-Nov-99 20:05:20
  To: Murray Lesser                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Small programs

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was
  >that program I wrote way back when...." <g>

 ML>    I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function"
 ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language.  The DLL file
 ML> is 619 bytes. 

JS>I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM
  >by Jay Clegg.  It takes up just 336 bytes of memory.

 ML> measure it, but (as a DOS program) the memory used would be
 ML> 144 bytes.  But Roy beat us both with his 7-byte  program.

Somehow I missed Roys message, I had to go back and find it.  

I guess he wins a Fist Full of Chipped Ham, the standard 1st place prize given 
at Jack's Free Lunch:-)

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From: John Thompson                                     29-Nov-99 09:20:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Small programs

In a message to Jack Stein, Murray Lesser wrote re: Small programs

JS>I was hoping you would not notice that:-)  On the other hand, Davids
  >is an external REXX function DLL file, not a regular application,
  >right?  Jays OSTSR is a 920 byte "standalone" .com application...
  >Does that count for anything?  
 
ML>     I suppose so.  If you want play that way, I have a 44-byte (file
ML> size) .COM program that sets the left margin and type font on my old,
ML> wide-carriage QuickWriter printer to allow 80-character lines to be
ML> printed in 12-pitch type with a 1.25-inch left-hand binding margin.
ML> EXEHDR can't measure it, but (as a DOS program) the memory used would be
ML> 144 bytes.  But Roy beat us both with his 7-byte  program.
ML> 
ML>     End of thread?

Nope.  Nobody's mentioned Hitler or Nazis yet.  

Ooops.  I guess you're right...  :-)



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From: Sean Dennis                                       29-Nov-99 09:57:08
  To: Matti Palmstrm                                   30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ

Hello, Matti.

-=> Replying to a message of Matti Palmstrm to Sean Dennis:

 MP>> Dune!

 SD>> Doesn't quite work that way when you want to run DOS doors under
 SD>> OS/2 with a BBS.

 MP> Yeah, I know. I was only kidding. I think it's great with your FAQ
 MP> because I know a lot of newcommers seems to have problems just with
 MP> SIO..

Heh.  I wish it was that simple... I wrote that FAQ because I had a horrible
time setting up SIO, especially with the DOS doors and I didn't want to have
other newcomers suffer unneccesarily. :)

Later,
Sean

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From: Charles Gaefke                                    29-Nov-99 08:07:11
  To: Wes Newell                                        30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Re: hpfs386

WN> Anyone here have any problems running hpfs386 on W4.

    Nada.


C. Gaefke
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From: Linda Proulx                                      30-Nov-99 02:15:28
  To: All                                               30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: OS/2 install

Greetings Everyone,

Thought let you know what's going on.

Having hard drive problems.  And before everyone starts about the
primary drive thing, that was dealt with in the prep.

Something happening with Warp & the drive 2.  Had a SYS0850  Error 3
thing happening, saying the partition mapping was bad, big hassle.
Working on it.  Warp even changed the CMOS & made drive 2 500 mb instead
of the 3.5 gig it is.

Hoping everything will be happy by Thursday.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     29-Nov-99 20:32:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40

Jack Stein wrote on 25 Nov 1999 at 10:27 to Jaap Van.Veen:

 JS> Jaap Van.Veen wrote in a message to All:

 JVV> As I have recalled earlier, my system (486DX2 66) is much
 JVV> faster with FP40 installed. This has to do with the faster
 JVV> handling of the harddisk. 

 JVV> However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is
 JVV> not serviced in time causing overruns. Does somebody know
 JVV> how I can avoid overrun of COM1. 

 JVV> I am using SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS since the beginning of
 JVV> my dealing with OS/2.

 JS> I run WARP 3 with no fixpaks (other than it is released at FP5.  I
 JS> upgraded my IBM1S506 and the DASD drivers only, and did that at the
 JS> FB17 level, and that was needed ONLY for multiple drive recognition
 JS> on a CD Changer.  Anyway, I once installed the newer drivers that
 JS> were released for large drives (>4gigs), although my stock drivers
 JS> recognized my 5 gig drive with no problem, I installed them just
 JS> for kicks.  Suddenly, I started getting modem overrun errors, on
 JS> the BBS (DOS) and on the internet (OS/2).  I tracked the problem
 JS> down to these new drivers, and I'm sure that is exactly where your
 JS> problem is coming from.  I tried 9 million things to correct the
 JS> errors, based on a bunch of recommendations in here for switches to
 JS> the IBM1S506 config.sys line, but not a damn one worked. I had to
 JS> put the older disk drivers from FP17 back in to stop the modem
 JS> errors.  I was suprised a disk driver could create modem overrun
 JS> errors, but it did, absolutly positively was the cause.

 JS> I recommend you move that driver to another name, and stick in your
 JS> old IBM1s506 driver and see if the problem doesn't disappear.  All
 JS> you need do is copy it to the correct directory and reboot.
I found an older version of IBM1S506, installed it, and repaired my problem!!
Thanks,
Jaap 
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From: Scott Jones                                       29-Nov-99 20:20:24
  To: Lee Aroner                                        30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Re: WarpCenter INI file ?

-=> On 28 Nov 99  16:38:00, Lee Aroner wrote to All <=-

 LA>    Anyone know what the WarpCenter INI file is?

 LA>    Had a crash today and wound up having to install from backup
 LA>    because I conldn't find any obvious file to restore the only
 LA>    broken part - the WarpCenter.

The Warpcenter consists of (all in x:\OS2\DLL) SCENTER.CFG, SCENTER.DLL,
and DOCK*.CFG.

                              Scott Jones
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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Nov-99 08:53:23
  To: Jaap Van.Veen                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40

Jaap Van.Veen wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JVV> Jack Stein wrote on 25 Nov 1999 at 10:27 to Jaap Van.Veen:

 JVV> However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is
 JVV> not serviced in time causing overruns. Does somebody know
 JVV> how I can avoid overrun of COM1. 

 JS> for kicks.  Suddenly, I started getting modem overrun errors, on
 JS> the BBS (DOS) and on the internet (OS/2).  I tracked the problem
 JS> down to these new drivers, 

 JS> I recommend you move that driver to another name, and stick in your
 JS> old IBM1s506 driver and see if the problem doesn't disappear.  All
 JS> you need do is copy it to the correct directory and reboot.

 JVV> Thanks for the info. I will try to find an old (pre FP39)
 JVV> IBMS506 and try to fix the problem.

The drivers that caused the modem overrun was:
IBM1S506.zip    10646211/15/9816:02
ibmidecd.zip     4083311/15/9816:06
OS2DASD.ZIP      6318211/15/9816:10

The ones I use that don't have the over run problem are:
IBM1S506.ADD     3063610/30/9515:13
OS2DASD.DMD      3422810/30/9514:44
IBMIDECD.FLT     20490 1/10/9520:47

This are from FP 17.

I'm pretty sure it was just the IBM1S506.ADD driver that caused the problem. 
IIRC, I only installed the IBM1s506 driver at first, and did the OS2DASD.DMD
file later, in an attempt to fix the problem.  I could put in the drivers,
modem overruns, take them out, no overruns.


                                              Jack 
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Nov-99 10:44:00
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Missing Window control..

 JP>> A one-line script:
 JP>> 
 JP>>         attrib /s /a:d -a c:\*
 JP>> 

 RN> I don't understand the switch "a:d -a"
 RN> or is this 4OS2?

The /A option, to include and exclude files from processing by their
atributes, is not present in IBM's 16-bit ATTRIB command that is supplied with 
OS/2.  However, as you correctly guess, the ATTRIB command built into JP
Software's 4OS2 supports it (as indeed do many other 4OS2 built-in commands
such as COPY, MOVE, DEL, REN, and FOR -- this is one of the reasons that 4OS2
is highly recommended to anyone who uses the command line for anything but the 
most trivial usage).

Those people who don't want to replace their command interpreters with 4OS2
can *still* have an ATTRIB command that supports the /A switch by downloading
the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0 and using the 32-bit ATTRIB
command that is included in that package, which also supports the /A option.

So there's now *no* excuse for any OS/2 user not having an ATTRIB command that 
supports the /A option.  (-:

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WHERE TO FIND OS2CLU


The OS2CLU02 distribution archive (available as both OS2CLU02.ZIP and
OS2CLU02.RAR, to cater to different tastes) can be File Requested by
anyone at any time of the day from the following Fidonet nodes:

    1:109/921.0        TSR BBS in the U.S.
    2:257/609.0        Air Applewood BBS in the U.K.
    1:17/23.0          Marsh BBS in Canada

It is also available on any Fidonet site around the world that carries the
Fidonet file distribution echo that is hosted by Fernwood BBS in the U.S..

It can also be found on the Hobbes FTP site run by New Mexico State
University in the U.S., and on the LEO FTP site in Germany.  (Point your FTP
clients at hobbes.nmsu.edu and ftp.leo.org, respectively)

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Nov-99 11:51:19
  To: Murray Lesser                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: We need a new FDISK

 JP>>  ...  It's certainly *not* how one would design a hard disc 
 JP>> partitioning scheme if one were designing it from scratch (rather than
 JP>> trying to retrofit something decent on top of the old "four
 JP>> partitions" scheme and retain backwards compatibility).

Of course, one doesn't need to redesign the partition table in order to
recover this wasted space.  One simply needs to drop the requirement that
partitions be aligned to whole tracks.  I am not aware of the reason for this
particular rule.  There's certainly nothing in the partition table structures
themselves that require this.  Nor indeed can there be there anything
requiring this in operating systems that use the logical sector number and
offset fields in the partition table.  OS/2 Warp is one such operating system, 
and it isn't bothered if partitions aren't track aligned, for example.  I
suspect that the only operating system that would be bothered by non-aligned
partitions, if indeed any operating system *were* to be bothered at all, would 
be DOS.

There are at least two advantages to having sector-aligned partitions rather
than track-aligned partitions that would be of especial benefit in my view:

         The partition containing Boot Manager would only occupy a couple of
KiB, since that is all of the space that Boot Manager *actually* needs.  The
rest of the space in the Boot Manager partition, on current systems, is simply 
wasted.  This would stop newbies complaining about how Boot Manager "takes up
a whole 8MeB on my drive, whereas my old multiboot utility only took a few
KiB!".

         There would be no space for MBR viruses to hide in.

Maybe it's time for us to step boldly into the 1990s and drop this rule.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Nov-99 12:00:09
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Ftp

 RN> Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com'

        [C:\temp]nslookup hursley.ibm.com
        Server:  ns3.bt.net
        Address:  194.72.6.57

        *** No address (A) records available for hursley.ibm.com

        [C:\temp]

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Nov-99 12:29:01
  To: Dave Davidson                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: DELTREE

 DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When
 DD> deleting a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time
 DD> consuming as well as a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). 

1.  Obtain and use the DELTREE program that is part of FM2UTILS .

2.  Obtain 4OS2, the replacement command interpreter, and use the /S and /X
options to its built-in DEL command.

3.  Obtain the OS/2 Command Line Utilities and use its DELTREE command.

4.  Use the Workplace Shell and drag the folder to the Shredder.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Nov-99 12:43:10
  To: August Abolins                                    30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: need FLEETSTREET help

 AA> FleetStreet 1.25.1 [...]

Which, as you no doubt can tell, I don't use.  (-:

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Nov-99 12:45:15
  To: Andy Roberts                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: OS2CLU version 2.1

 AR> Ok, so when is the fixed public release going to happen?

The plan is for that to happen when I finish DUPDIRS and add the global option 
to the UNIQ command.  I just haven't had much time to work on them of late.  

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 08:41:04
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: fdisk /query

 JDBP>> What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ?

 MR> I'd be inclined to go with physical definition order.  

You mean to simply enumerate all volumes on a single drive before proceeding
to the next one ?

 MR> But my primary concern when writing the above was to criticize the 
 MR> practice of assigning letters to primary partitions on separate 
 MR> physical drives before assigning letters to any logical drives in 
 MR> extended partitions.

One can understand why it is this way, of course.  Choosing to enumerate all
primary partitions first made MS-DOS 3.3 backwards compatible with MS-DOS 3.2
.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 08:50:16
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Phoenix INT 13h Extension

 JDBP>> There is a new API, the so-called "INT 13h extensions", promulgated
 JDBP>> by Phoenix, IBM, and Microsoft.  It takes 64-bit logical block
 JDBP>> numbers as parameters.  I can file attach the PDF file containing
 JDBP>> the API description to your Fidonet node if you want.

 MR> If you have a URL from which I can find it (URL to the file being
 MR> best, of course), that'd be better.  

Go to http://www.ptltd.com/techs/specs.html and follow the link to the EDD
specification.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 09:40:19
  To: Peter Knapper                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: fdisk /query

 MR>> Now, if we could kill the convention of assigning letters to primary
 MR>> partitions first, things could be a lot easier.

 JdBP>> What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ?

 PK> How about the method used by unix? 

Given that UNIX doesn't *have* drive letters, I can see that this idea is
going to be an interesting one.  (-:

 PK> The boot partition is the Root, [...]
 PK> To maintain compatibilty with drive letter dead S/W, the boot
 PK> partition becomes C: and no other letters are assigned [...] at all [...]
 PK> partitions/drives at all (CD's, etc, are also mounted under the
 PK> Root). Then the "issue" over the visibility and ordering of
 PK> primary/logical partitions goes away completely...

Actually, no it doesn't go away.  It is just renamed in the hope that everyone 
will overlook it.  (Amazingly, this actually seems to happen.  (-:)  What on
"PC style" operating systems is an issue of drive letter assignment order is,
on PC unices, an issue of the assignment order of device numbers.  One still
has pretty much the same problems on PC unices of having to shuffle things
about (such as the contents of one's fstab file or the names in one's /dev
directory) if one adds or deletes partitions as one has on "PC style"
operating systems with drive letters.  One still has to change things.  One
simply has to change *different* things.

Indeed, this is in fact made *more* complicated on unices than on "PC style"
operating systems because one has to have *additional* mechanisms to enable
the partition number for the root volume to be overridden in the case that the 
re-partitioning happens to have altered it.  This is because it is compiled
into the kernel.  At least "PC style" operating systems (or, at least, those
PC style operating systems such as OS/2 Warp where the operating system can
reside on something *other* than the first primary partition) automatically
work out which volume is the boot volume and which drive letter is thus the
boot drive letter.

( Actually, there's no reason that unix boot loaders cannot do the same as "PC 
style" operating systems do here and have the boot loader automatically work
out the correct device number for the root volume and pass it to the kernel. 
I suspect that the reason that they do not is a blind refusal on the part of
unix devotees to take a good idea from "peecee operating systems" despite it
being a good idea, more than anything else. )

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 10:01:25
  To: Peter Knapper                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: fdisk /query

 JdBP>> What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ?

 PK> [...]
 PK> While this is a MAJOR change in the concept of partitions and drive
 PK> letter assignment to DOS/OS2/Windows people, it is a change that may
 PK> not be that large or difficult to implement (he says
innocently)........;-)

I'm not convinced that it gains one anything, though.  It makes the situation
a lot worse, in some respects.

First of all, by introducing an extra layer of indirection into the whole
process, it doubles the reconfiguration overhead.  One has to have some naming 
scheme for the raw volumes and a table of mount directives, so that one can
say "mount volume X,Y at this point in the directory tree".  One then has to
have *another* table of drive letter assignments to say "drive letter Q: is
this point in the directory tree".

Second, whilst it may look superficially attractive one cannot in practice
break the identity between a drive letter and a single physical volume without 
a major paradigm shift.  This is because the operating system API itself is
designed to allow (controlled) low-level access to raw volumes where
necessary, and it uses drive letters to "name" those volumes.  One would not
only have to redesign the FORMAT program so that it takes a raw volume name
("X,Y") instead of a drive letter, one would *also* have to redesign the
underlying operating system API so that access to raw volumes wasn't done in
terms of drive letters.  And this would break *all* existing disk utility
programs, such as the Graham Utilities for OS/2.

Third, one has the problem that new volumes aren't automatically and
immediately directly accessible.  Whatever one may dislike about the current
scheme, at least it is "plug in and go" in as much as if one adds a new volume 
it gains a drive letter automatically without any further effort.  With the
proposed scheme one would have to manually add a new entry to the "mount"
table before one could even access the volume.

An alternative scheme, one that is similar but that doesn't have quite as many 
problems, would be to extend the Universal Naming Convention to include local
volumes.  Volumes would automatically be assigned names such as
\\.\HARDDISK0PARTITION2 , which one could use directly as UNC path prefixes if 
one liked.  This avoids the third problem above, since it means that all
volumes are automatically recognised and immediately accessible, and
eliminates the first problem since by assigning UNC names automatically one
doesn't have to have a manually created configuration table of "mount points". 
 The second problem is resolved by having drive letters mapped onto these UNC
prefixes.  (Indeed, one might be able to extend those parts of the 32-bit OS/2 
system API that currently only deal with drive letter assignments to remote
filesystems to include local filesystems as well.)  So "C:\CONFIG.SYS" would
expand, internally, to "\\.\HARDDISK0PARTITION2\CONFIG.SYS" .

This is, of course, very close to the way that Windows NT actually operates
internally.  I am told (not having ever seen or used it myself) that OS/2 Warp 
Server version 4 assigns UNC names to local volumes in much this way, too.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 10:32:08
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: DETACH

 JDBP>> Indeed, I explicitly made the point that the OS/2 kernel itself 
 JDBP>> makes *no* distinction whatsoever between "text mode" and 
 JDBP>> "graphical" processes.  This was the whole point that I was making. 

 MR> Part of the priority table is something called "window boost", which
 MR> near as I can tell, serves no purpose other than to give a priority
 MR> boost to a graphical program.
 MR> [...]
 MR> So, in that limited respect, the kernel may be considered "aware" of a
 MR> difference between text-mode and graphical programs, though it's an
 MR> awareness that can be removed with a hex editor.

Actually, that doesn't mean that the kernel is aware of the difference between 
textual and graphical programs.  The "foreground priority boost" was in the
very first 16-bit version of OS/2, well before Presentation Manager was
introduced and thus well before there even were such things as graphical OS/2
programs.

This boost gives an increase in priority to "the foreground process".  But the 
kernel does not determine what "the foreground process" actually is.  It
leaves that decision up to others.  All that the kernel knows is that one
process is singled out as being the process that is "in the foreground" and is 
as a result to be given preferential treatment when it comes to doling out CPU 
time.

I suspect that it is the session manager that determines what the foreground
process is.  The 16-bit OS/2 CP reference describes the foreground process as
the process that "has the input focus", so I suspect some collusion by the KBD 
subsystem in the making of this decision as well.  Unfortunately, that is
pretty much all that is said anywhere on the subject.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 10:33:26
  To: Lee Aroner                                        30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Install

 LA>> This is the usual case of MS's "Do as I say, not as I do", since 
 LA>> Command.Com continues to use FCBs for fast directlry deletions, 
 LA>> just as I do.

 LE>> Try it under MS-DOS v6.x. Then try it in a Win 95 or 98 DOS "window"
 LE>> (or with the system booted to the MS-DOS 7 that Win 9x runs on top of).

 LA> You might want to try that yourself...my routines have been used    
 LA> under those conditions for years.

I think that Leonard is trying to make the point that using FCBs for "fast
deletions" is pointless in those environments, because it *isn't* actually
faster that doing things the more up-to-date way using a simple
findfirst/findnext loop.

There was a thread about this in this very echo a couple of years ago.  I
cannot remember who actually sat down and measured it, but I know that it was
a 4DOS user.  If one uses the DEL command built into JP Software's 4DOS one
can see what difference the use of FCBs makes, because one can select between
using CP/M style FCBs and using the MS-DOS version 2.0 method of deleting
files by using the /Q switch.  On raw MS-DOS, the /Q switch and FCBs make a
difference to the speed of 4DOS' DEL command, but in a VDM on OS/2 Warp, in a
VDM on Windows NT, or in a DOS Box in DOS-Windows 98 (or 95, or even 3.1 with
the so-called "32-bit file access" enabled) it doesn't make any difference at
all.

On modern operating systems the idea that using FCBs is "faster" is something
that DOS programmers remember being true, but that actually isn't true in
practice since most people don't use raw MS-DOS to run their DOS programs any
more.

 LA> FCBs are too usefull for this little trick to *ever* go away.

Actually, it will go away, precisely because it is no longer useful.  Indeed,
it should have done so already.  Environments where using FCBs for wildcard
file deletion *isn't* faster have been around for at least 8 years now, and
have been in widespread use for at least 5.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 10:35:26
  To: Murray Lesser                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Small programs

 ML>     I suppose so.  If you want play that way, I have a 44-byte (file
 ML> size) .COM program that sets the left margin and type font on my old,
 ML> wide-carriage QuickWriter printer to allow 80-character lines to be
 ML> printed in 12-pitch type with a 1.25-inch left-hand binding margin.
 ML> EXEHDR can't measure it, but (as a DOS program) the memory used would
 ML> be 144 bytes.  But Roy beat us both with his 7-byte  program.
 ML>
 ML>     End of thread?

Only if you all want to ignore the 7 byte program that you *all* have on your
machines, courtesy of IBM.

It's in your \OS2\MDOS directory.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 10:49:09
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions

 MR> While adding an old drive to one of my machines for the purposes of
 MR> setting up a bunch of HPFS partitions to test my HPFS programs, I
 MR> decided to first create four primary partitions, and change the
 MR> partition types to 0x06.
 MR>
 MR> I then booted from OS/2 floppies, and the first one in the partition
 MR> table (which FDISK strangely made the last partition on the drive, in
 MR> terms of sector offset - they were all ordered that way) was the only
 MR> one assigned a letter.

It's a pity that you didn't try MS-DOS as well whilst you were at it, just to
confirm my educated guess (based on the fact that prior to MS-DOS version 3.3
one was forced to use multiple visible primary partitions for hard discs
larger than 32MeB, since there was no such thing as an extended partition)
that it, too, alongside Windows NT, FreeDOS, linux, and DR-DOS (all of which I 
have either seen do this or have traced through the source code for), can also 
see multiple visible primary partitions.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 10:58:11
  To: Murray Lesser                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions

 ML> I don't really remember when extended partitions were added to
 ML> MS/PC-DOS, perhaps because I skipped the 80286 generation, moving
 ML> from a PC/XT to an 80386-powered PS/2 model 80.  But, IIRC, there
 ML> weren't any hard drives for desktop machines having more than 32 MB
 ML> capacity before the PS/2 came along.

I, in my turn, (perhaps because I have never used one) don't remember offhand
when the PS/2 came along, but I do happen to know that the whole idea of an
"extended partition" was new to MS-DOS version 3.3.  MS-DOS 3.2 and earlier
didn't know about "primary" partitions.  It just had "partitions", and there
could be a maximum of four of them.  If they were formatted as FAT, they could 
be a maximum of 32MeB in size, meaning that the largest possible "all FAT"
hard disc size was approximately 128MeB .

As I said before, the concept of having multiple visible primary partitions,
far from being something new that Microsoft has introduced in order to move
the goalposts again for other operating systems, is in fact an *old* one in
the PC world.  Whilst it's *certainly* not the way that one would design a
partition table if one were writing it from scratch, it is the way that the
partition table on PCs has always worked.

So there is a strong argument that this is a bug in OS2DASD.DMD that needs to
be fixed.

 ML> With today's large-capacity cheap hard drives, losing a track's
 ML> capacity for each extended partition is most certainly not an
 ML> important criterion.  With the old, expensive, low-capacity drives,
 ML> losing a track didn't lose much capacity!  That "wasted space"
 ML> argument is the same meaningless red herring as is the "cluster size"
 ML> argument when discussing the choice between FAT and HPFS formats!

That's not quite true.  With the fake geometries created by CHS translation
the size of a "cylinder" can become quite large.  As Mike Ruskai mentioned in
a recent post talking about his own disc drive, the space occupied by a single 
cylinder can be almost 8MeB .  (Indeed, once the disc size approaches 8GiB the 
size of a cylinder is, simply by definition, always going to be 1/1024th of
the entire size of the drive.)

I find it hard to believe that you, who only three messages back in this echo
was praising the small size of a few-hundred-odd byte program written by David 
Noon, and who always makes such a fuss about the couple of MeB consumed by the 
system structures on an HPFS volume, would discount as trivial a *whole* *8*
*MeB*.  (-:

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Nov-99 11:11:22
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: fdisk /query

 RW> I would prefer drive labels, not letters.
 RW> When the op-system boots it reads 1 sector indicating if its bootable
 RW> or not  and where the next partition starts.  Where the 2nd partition
 RW> starts, same  thing, is it bootable & where is the next partition, or
 RW> indicate its the last. Each partition would also have the label in
 RW> it.  Once the op-system boots, use  UNC type paths based on the
 RW> machine name.
 RW>
 RW> I would also think this would break a few utilities, maybe even have
 RW> to be the  start of a new op-system.

Replacing the partition table with a new data structure like this would be the 
start of a whole new PC architecture.  It wouldn't be compatible with any
other PC operating system.

Where does the operating system obtain "the machine name" from ?  

And what does the operating system do in the case that two volumes have been
given the same label by the user ?

It is fortunate that the existing partition table scheme is enough like a
linked list to make this sort of redesign unnecessary.  I wasn't really asking 
Mike how one would re-design the partition table, anyway.  Although it is
ugly, and certainly not how it should have been designed if one were designing 
a partition table data structure from scratch, as long as one is willing to
drop the "align everything to a track boundary" rule there isn't actually
*that* much wrong with it as it stands.

  JdeBP 

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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Nov-99 10:33:01
  To: Dave Davidson                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Bunch of Questions....

DD>     a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as well as
DD>     a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes to
DD>     delete the OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I could
DD>     re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's).

I use WPS' drive object when I have a big tree to get rid of.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Nov-99 12:29:02
  To: Jaap Van.Veen                                     30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40

JV>As I have recalled earlier, my system (486DX2 66) is much
JV>faster with FP40 installed. This has to do with the faster
JV>handling of the harddisk.

JV>However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is
JV>not serviced in time causing overruns. Does somebody know
JV>how I can avoid overrun of COM1.

Most likely, if you add /A:0 /U:0 /!BM to your IBM1S506 line your
problem (and the added speed) will go away.  This disables
busmastering which is on by default in the newer HD drivers and which
can cause serial problems. You might also try adding /!SMS to the end of
the line as well to make things even slower.  You can use the /V switch
to see what the driver is seeing for your HD's and how they are being
set up.  Note that there is at least one version of IBM1S506 that
ignores the !BM switch, if you try the DANIS IDE driver, this problem is
rectified.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Nov-99 12:30:03
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar                          30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: New Boot Manager

JDBP>IBM OS/2 Warp Server 5.  (IBM OS/2 Warp Server 5 contains a
JDBP>new Boot Manager that uses the INT 13h Extensions and that
JDBP>can thus boot from any partition anywhere on any disk, for
JDBP>example.)

When I went through my WSeB install it wouldn't give me an option to
install BM, I ended up using my Warp 4 boot disks to install the old BM.
Maybe some day when I'm feeling daring, I'll give the new one a try.
Does it have any other new features other than being able to boot from a
higher disk location?

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Nov-99 10:56:04
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: r0stub.sys

ET>The r0stub.sys driver in the MMOS2 directory seem to
ET>necessary for the system to generate sound (without it
ET>there is no sound from the system). I wonder what's the
ET>function of this driver precisely?

This is some sort of low-level support system for newer audio device
drivers which run at both ring-0 and ring-3 to make them easier to
debug.  I know it is used by creative labs drivers, I don't know about
other drivers.

Rob.
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From: Holger Granholm                                   29-Nov-99 20:46:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Re: DELTREE

In a message dated 11-26-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Eddy,

HG> I hope not. It's the slowest program I've ever used for that purpose.

ET>Was that on a FAT partition with hundreds files in one or more
ET>directories under plain DOS booted (=not under OS/2) without a disk
ET>cache ?

AFAIK deltree is a DOS program and consequently it was a FAT patition.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   29-Nov-99 20:46:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Re: Odin and app install

In a message dated 11-27-99, Linda Proulx said to Mike Ruskai:

 MR> As to your problem, the only workaround that'll probably ever happen is
 MR> to run the installation in Win9x, then just try running the program
 MR> under OS/2.

LP>And what if your not running Win9X?

Just do what I do, forget it!

Seasons Greetings,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   29-Nov-99 20:46:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      30-Nov-99 21:01:14
Subj: Syquest & Iomega drivers

In a message dated 11-28-99, Andy Roberts said to All:

Hi Andy,

AR>I need specific info for the exact URL and file names to get drivers
AR>for OS/2 for:

AR>Iomega Internal SCSI ZIP drive

Maybe a dumb question, but I'm that dumb: Doesn't the SCSI version work
with the drivers provided with the normal SCSI support? At least as long
as you don't want/need to use it as removable media.

AR>BTW, some of the info I found implied that Warp4 (no mention of
AR>Warp3) with a fairly recent FixPak might have updated DASD* stuff to
AR>support removable media drives, without any additional special
AR>drivers.

Yes, that info is in the readme files in recent fixpaks.

Another question: Any hints on USB support in Warp 4?

Happy Holidays,

Holger

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  30-Nov-99 19:16:21
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         01-Dec-99 02:23:09
Subj: We need a new FDISK

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Murray Lesser dated 11-25-99 ***
>          There would be no space for MBR viruses to hide in.
> 
> Maybe it's time for us to step boldly into the 1990s and drop this 
> rule.

Are you saying we should make room for it??   :}

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  30-Nov-99 19:52:11
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         01-Dec-99 02:23:09
Subj: fdisk /query

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger dated 11-29-99 ***
> Replacing the partition table with a new data structure like this would
> be the start of a whole new PC architecture.  It wouldn't be compatible
> with any other PC operating system.
> 
> Where does the operating system obtain "the machine name" from ?  

It would start at track 0, sector 0, head 0.
If its not a boot manager, it would be the start of a bootable partition, or a 
flag indicating its not bootable.  (a flag like the current active partition
scheme uses).  There would be a pointer to the start of the next partition
which may not necessarily be at even track.  If this is the current active
partition, where is the boot files, what is the partition name (label).  I
would think a lot of info could be in this sector, or maybe 2 sectors.

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger dated 11-29-99 ***
> And what does the operating system do in the case that two volumes have
> been given the same label by the user ?

This would have to be protected from by the op-system.  You cant create 2
share names the same on a server.

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger dated 11-29-99 ***
> track boundary" rule there isn't actually *that* much wrong with it as 
> it stands.

The only thing I dont like is the drive letter limit.  If I had 2 18 CD
changers what would I do??

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: August Abolins                                    30-Nov-99 14:11:14
  To: all                                               01-Dec-99 06:13:05
Subj: Fleetstreet 1.25.1

The hotkeys for Monospaced and Highlighting show up as "Ctrl-#" on my system.

Is this the same behaviour on anyone elses system?


 .aa.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Dec-99 01:14:25
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         01-Dec-99 08:09:29
Subj: fdisk /query

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 JdBP> An alternative scheme, one that is similar but that doesn't 
 JdBP> have quite as many problems, would be to extend the Universal 
 JdBP> Naming Convention to include local volumes. Volumes would 
 JdBP> automatically be assigned names such as \\.\HARDDISK0PARTITION2 
 JdBP> , which one could use directly as UNC path prefixes if one 
 JdBP> liked.  This avoids the third problem above, since it means 
 JdBP> that all volumes are automatically recognised and immediately 
 JdBP> accessible, and eliminates the first problem since by assigning 
 JdBP> UNC names automatically one doesn't have to have a manually 
 JdBP> created configuration table of "mount points".  The second 
 JdBP> problem is resolved by having drive letters mapped onto these 
 JdBP> UNC prefixes.  (Indeed, one might be able to extend those parts 
 JdBP> of the 32-bit OS/2 system API that currently only deal with 
 JdBP> drive letter assignments to remote filesystems to include local 
 JdBP> filesystems as well.)  So "C:\CONFIG.SYS" would expand, 
 JdBP> internally, to "\\.\HARDDISK0PARTITION2\CONFIG.SYS".

Actually,  I've been doing some of that when I want to use a browser for some
reason on a local file.  Instead of http://  I use
file://localhost.whatever...

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From: Dave Davidson                                     30-Nov-99 17:49:26
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    01-Dec-99 08:09:29
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?

Hiya Eddy,

28-Nov-99 09:56:36, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Rachel Veraa
          Subject: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
 ET> 26 Nov 99 20:40, Rachel Veraa wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 RV>>> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long
 RV>>> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files?


 ET> I don't have win95. According to the docs, the OS2FAT32 driver can
 ET> use win95 long filenames (vfat) if that's what you're after

 It not only can, it does. Works flawlessly here, transferring files,
 notes, etc., between OS/2 HPFS and WIN98-SE FAT32 drives.


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net


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From: Rachel Veraa                                      30-Nov-99 19:49:18
  To: Holger Granholm                                   01-Dec-99 09:11:17
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows

In a message to Rachel Veraa, Holger Granholm wrote:

 RV>        N'a pale pi ta,

HG> And what language is that?  Miamish?

Well, it's now Miami's third language, after English and Spanish.

It's Kreyl, the language of Haiti.


       N'a pale pi ta,
           Rachel

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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                30-Nov-99 05:45:26
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Dec-99 11:24:28
Subj: Re: file /query

On Stardate 28 Nov 99  11:56:46, Stewart Honsberger Communicated the Following
To Jeffrey J. Counsil, Regarding Re: file /query...

SH> Not neccesarily an indication. ISTM that you can have an extended
SH> partition starting at cyl. 0, with a primary partition after it.

True ;-)

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From: Jack Stein                                        30-Nov-99 08:11:10
  To: Dave Davidson                                     01-Dec-99 12:24:07
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....

 14 Nov 99 14:52, Dave Davidson wrote to All:

 DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... Will 
 DD> DOS Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a ScreenSaver active 
 DD> as they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few 
 DD> years and it may take a while to get over the "WIN think" as well. 

I used to run the built in screen saver, mainly so my cat would need to paw in 
the password before doing nasty things to my running system, and it never had
any effect on my DOS BBS that was running 24/7.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        30-Nov-99 08:21:05
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    01-Dec-99 12:24:07
Subj: >2Mb drive issues.

Eddy Thilleman wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

PK> So if you have DOS/Windows clients accessing large volumes on an OS/2
PK> machine across a LAN, then it appears that you can have OS/2 respond
PK> to them with an acceptable disk space value without requiring extra
PK> utilities.

 ET> Or use the 2GBFIX TSR:

Yes, thats a great little program.  Also a contender for the "small program"
thread (which ended), since it's only 821 bytes.  

                                              Jack 
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From: Joe Provencio                                     01-Dec-99 12:32:21
  To: All                                               01-Dec-99 12:32:21
Subj: Canon BJC 5000 printer driver

I recently picked up a BJC 5000 and looking through various site (IBM and
Canon) for OS/2 drivers for this specific printer and have noticed there are
no specific drivers for this model. There are drivers for the modle 5500 but
not the 5000, Can the 5500 driver be used for the 5000 on a OS/2 v4  system ?? 
Any help on this appreciated TIA

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  29-Nov-99 16:08:11
  To: Wes Newell                                        01-Dec-99 13:30:06
Subj: file systems

Hello Wes!

26 Nov 99 02:29, Wes Newell wrote to All:
 WN> Could I use hpfs386?
    Yes. But be carefull with Local Security

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Andrew Belov                                      28-Nov-99 11:48:09
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         01-Dec-99 13:30:06
Subj: Re: odin-19991112

Hello Jonathan!

(Sat Nov 20 1999) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Andrew Belov...

 AB>> The error message is always SYS0182 referencing USER32->PMWINX.1022,

 JdBP> That means that you don't have the latest PMWINX.DLL.  Since PMWINX.DLL
 JdBP> is part of "Open32", that means in turn that you don't have the latest
 JdBP> Open32.

PMWINX   DLL   520559   4.12.98  20:35

This one comes from XR_W041 however it hasn't been updated far past since
XR_W038.

I've noticed that Open32 parts are somewhat different in Warp 3 and 4.5, the
latter has a larger PMWINX.DLL that references some additional library
(probably dealing with Unicode) but just replacing Open32 libs doesn't help.

                                                      Andrew

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From: Tony Pater                                        28-Nov-99 11:10:11
  To: Bat Lang                                          01-Dec-99 13:30:06
Subj: Ispell ?

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Tony Pater <=-

 BL> Hi, Tony!

 Hi Bat .....

 BL> I really don't have any suggestions, but I use ISpell in Warp 4 in
 BL> almost identical fashion to JSpell in DOS, with a slight difference
 BL> due to the GNU parentage.

 I stumbled across Ispell over on the LEO server in Europe way back
 in 1991, at around the time I moved from DOS (4dos), to OS/2...,
 it worked fine, but something has screwed it up.
 It was one of the major reasons I use/registered "Escriba" WP,
 which I use in conjunction with Boxer.

 BL> CFSys envars:
 BL> SET ISPELL=D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\
 BL> SET TERMCAP=D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\

 I think my problem maybe this ....
 You've specified 'TERMCAP' .... which doesn't work ?
 .... but 'SET TERM' does, at the cmd-line !

 <snip>
 Thanks or the Rexx batch, I'll play with it ASAP.
 <snip>
 
 BL> I suggest that you may have replaced an earlier TERMCAP.DAT with a
 BL> newer one, which has an unrecognized (by Ispell) term therein. On my
 BL> system, I have two versions of that file. The earlier one is in my
 BL> %ISPELL% path, whilst a later one is in my EMX area. The earlier one
 BL> is: 
 BL> 4955  07/13/92  18:14:38  ----   TERMCAP  DAT  D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\

 Yes .... I had changed it, and it worked.
 I have the version you mentioned above and re-installed it to the
 ISPELL directory, then 'SET TERM' from the cmd-line, and it worked.
 I have changed the ansi code to reflect my preferences (Bri Yellow on
 Black), and that too is now working.
 I'm gonna 'SET TERM' in the OS/2 'Config.sys' in addition to 'SET TERMCAP',
 and see if that's the clincher.

 BL> If you will give me your email address, I'll file atch a cy of this
 BL> earlier TERMCAP.DAT.

 No need Bat, but thanks.

 BTW .... to you and others here, due to the shrinkage in Nodes available
 now in Fidonet, quite a few of my Netmails are bounced at the BBS.
 I was going to write via netmail to save bandwidth, but as I've discovered
 Netmail is out pro-tem.

 Thanks for your input, it helped to focus down. Thanks too to Will
 for his suggestion (I don't use FP 11/12 as it screwed up my Elsa
 Video - invoking 'attrib /SE /a:d' etc )... showed no RO attributes
 on the directories.

 Tony
 Sydney, Oz
 Mon 11-22-1999  5:52:23 pm

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From: Scott Jones                                       30-Nov-99 21:15:07
  To: Dave Davidson                                     01-Dec-99 16:27:17
Subj: Re: Netscape....

-=> On 28 Nov 99  23:42:04, Dave Davidson wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 SJ> bookmark file, which can then be imported into Netscape (Ctrl-B,
 SJ> File -> Import). I'll go ahead and send it to your email address.

 DD>  Got it and it worked super! Many thanks....

Good to hear that.

 DD>  I'm getting closer and closer to deleting all the MS "stuff" off this
 DD>  machine. Just a few more items to take care of....

I'm installing a newer, bigger HD in my MIL's machine.  In return, I'm
getting the old drive, which is promptly going into my son's machine,
whereupon Win95 gets moved over there, so he and my wife can fight over
it.  A quick reinstall of OS/2 sans WinOS/2, and I'll have no more
Windows to deal with on this machine.

<does a happy dance>


                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Murray Lesser                                     01-Dec-99 17:30:00
  To: All                                               01-Dec-99 17:30:00
Subj: Warp 3 R.I.P

Hi All--

   From the IBM e-mail newsletter: IBM U.S. Announcements on iSource for
November 30, 1999:

    Software Withdrawal: IBM OS/2 Warp Version 3, Warp Connect,
          and Warp Server Version 4 -- Replacements Available

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     01-Dec-99 17:33:01
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar                          01-Dec-99 17:33:01
Subj: Multiple visible primary

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-29-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to
Murray Lesser)

Hi Jonathan--

 ML> I don't really remember when extended partitions were added to
 ML> MS/PC-DOS, perhaps because I skipped the 80286 generation, moving
 ML> from a PC/XT to an 80386-powered PS/2 model 80.  But, IIRC, there
 ML> weren't any hard drives for desktop machines having more than 32 MB
 ML> capacity before the PS/2 came along.

JP>I, in my turn, (perhaps because I have never used one) don't remember
  >offhand when the PS/2 came along, but I do happen to know that the
  >whole idea of an "extended partition" was new to MS-DOS version
  >3.3.  MS-DOS 3.2 and earlier didn't know about "primary" partitions. 
  >It just had "partitions", and there could be a maximum of four of
  >them.  If they were formatted as FAT, they could be a maximum of
  >32MeB in size, meaning that the largest possible "all FAT" hard disc
  >size was approximately 128MeB .

    "Possible" from an addressing standpoint doesn't necessarily mean
"exists."  According to Deitel and Kogan (The Design of OS/2), DOS 3.3
was introduced in 1987 to support the PS/2 80386/80387 real mode and the
3.5" 1.44 MB diskette.  I bought my PS/2 model 80 (the only model in the
original PS/2 release with an 80386) in early 1988 (the machine died in
late 1999).  IIRC, the maximum available hard-drive capacity at the time
of that first release was two 70 MB ESDI drives.

JP>I find it hard to believe that you, who only three messages back in
  >this echo was praising the small size of a few-hundred-odd byte 
  >program written by David Noon, and who always makes such a fuss
  >about the couple of MeB consumed by the system structures on an HPFS
  >volume, would discount as trivial a *whole* *8* *MeB*.  (-:

    You should have noticed that I was making a facetious reply to a
facetious request for the "smallest" useful program.  You might also
have remembered that (on a different occasion) I was comparing the 3% (3
MB) lost to HPFS on a 100 MB Zip diskette (as compared to the same
diskette formatted FAT) with only two backup files on it, which is only
one of the reasons I wasn't unhappy that a FixPak-induced bug prevented
me from formatting my Zip diskettes HPFS.  "Backup" usage is one of the
few cases where one should should even consider operating with a "full"
disk drive (another is when the partition is very rarely, if ever,
written to).

    Available-space discussions make sense only when one remembers that
they are purely relative.  You really ought to understand that 8 MB is
only 0.1% of an 8 GB drive (0.2% of a 4 GB drive, in case arithmetic is
difficult for you), so is in the noise as far as usable space on such
drives is concerned.  One tenth of one percent isn't worth worrying
about, let alone making a serious(?) suggestion that legacy drive usage
be modified to "save" any part of it.

    It was Euripides (fifth century, BCE) who wrote "The gods visit the
sins of the fathers upon the children."  You will just have to learn to
live, patiently, with those early architectural sins!  Of course, I
suppose you could move to another platform and start over with another
set of guesses about what the future may bring.  Or become a monopoly so
you can ignore your legacy customers :-).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 06:06:00
  To: STEWART HONSBERGER                                01-Dec-99 22:19:14
Subj: fdisk /query

Some senseless babbling from Stewart Honsberger to Mike Ruskai
on 11-28-99  12:26 about fdisk /query...

 SH> 17 Nov 99 04:24, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD:
 
 MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely 
 MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024 
 MR> cylinders.

 SH> Unbootable, not invisible :>

We're talking about DOS here, not OS/2.

DOS uses the BIOS for all disk access.

So, either the entire drive is inaccessible to DOS, or her BIOS is using
the type of block access Jonathan mentioned previously.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Nov-99 06:08:00
  To: STEWART HONSBERGER                                01-Dec-99 22:19:14
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet

Some senseless babbling from Stewart Honsberger to Mike Ruskai
on 11-28-99  11:48 about Re: FTP & Telenet...

 SH> 14 Nov 99 15:29, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX:
 
 MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military 
 MR> may use his program.  Call it misguided pacifism.

 SH> Obviously in your pro-military zeal, you've missed the point of the
 SH> clause. It's to save his ass if that program is discovered to be used
 SH> in any not-so-on the level military purposes, he's covered. Granted,
 SH> the case is far off and extreme, but he's covered nonetheless.

 SH> Use it, don't use it. Personally, I don't care. But I'm getting rather
 SH> bored of all the G.I. Joes preaching about military superiority and
 SH> "pacifism" nonsense. Go cry to the author, not us.

Pro-military zeal?  G.I. Joe?  Military superiority?

You must have some sort of disturbing psychological complex to bring up
those things, given the fact that none are even hinted at by my message.

1)  I'm not pro-military.

2)  I'm not in the military.

3)  I'm not anti-pacifist (quite the opposite).

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Will Honea                                        30-Nov-99 22:48:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar                          30-Nov-99 22:48:00
Subj: Ftp

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Ron Nicholls on 11-28-1999

JP>  RN> Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com'
JP> 
JP>         [C:\temp]nslookup hursley.ibm.com
JP>         Server:  ns3.bt.net
JP>         Address:  194.72.6.57
JP> 
JP>         *** No address (A) records available for hursley.ibm.com
JP> 
JP>         [C:\temp]
JP> 
JP>  > JdeBP <

I still get there using ftp://ncc.hursley.ibm.com.  Looks like they
changed permissions, tho, since I can't get below the home directory.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Andy Roberts                                      01-Dec-99 16:35:29
  To: Holger Granholm                                   02-Dec-99 03:19:00
Subj: USB

 Holger Granholm,

29-Nov-99 20:46:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: Syquest & Iomega drivers

 HG> Another question: Any hints on USB support in Warp 4?

If you look on that CD you just got from me:

--- FWDRIVRS ---
Usbaudio.Exe  01-25-99  91,578
    driver- Universal Serial Bus (USB) Labtec LCS1731040 USB Digital Audio
    Speakers for OS/2 Warp 4 (Merlin) (requires base USB support -
    usbbasic.exe).

Usbcomm.Exe   12-14-98  53,325
    This USBCOMM.EXE driver package provides you with IBM's most current
    support for Universal Serial Bus (USB) communication (modem) devices on
    OS/2

Usbkeybd.Exe  02-09-99  50,952
    driver- Universal Serial Bus (USB)

Usbmouse.Exe  12-09-98  50,681
    driver- Universal Serial Bus (USB)


--- DRIVERS ---
Usbbasic.Exe  02-18-99  91,380
    IBM device driver pack update usbbasic.exe (2/18/99) - USB support.

Usbcom02.Zip  10-30-99  11,425
    USB modem driver for OS/2

Usb_Com.Zip   10-26-99  11,279
    USB modem driver, fixed to work with non 3Com hardware

Usb_Uhci.Zip  10-14-99  16,680
    USB host controller driver (VIA and Intel chipsets)
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Usbcom02.Zip was just announced by Pete Norloff, so it may not be on that CD.

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Nov-99 23:15:26
  To: All                                               02-Dec-99 03:19:01
Subj: cache

Hello All,

Is there an advantage to have more than one lazy write workers on the HPFS
cache? Does this help with the performance when writing to disk (HPFS
partition)?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Will Honea                                        01-Dec-99 21:41:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     01-Dec-99 21:41:00
Subj: Multiple visible primary

Murray Lesser wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollar on 12-01-1999

ML>     Available-space discussions make sense only when one remembers
ML> that they are purely relative.  You really ought to understand that
ML> 8 MB is only 0.1% of an 8 GB drive (0.2% of a 4 GB drive, in case
ML> arithmetic is difficult for you), so is in the noise as far as
ML> usable space on such drives is concerned.  One tenth of one percent
ML> isn't worth worrying about, let alone making a serious(?) suggestion
ML> that legacy drive usage be modified to "save" any part of it.
ML> 
ML>     It was Euripides (fifth century, BCE) who wrote "The gods visit the
ML> sins of the fathers upon the children."  You will just have to
ML> learn to live, patiently, with those early architectural sins!  Of
ML> course, I suppose you could move to another platform and start over
ML> with another set of guesses about what the future may bring.  Or
ML> become a monopoly so you can ignore your legacy customers :-).

I'm surprised that no one has thought to mention the IBM 'policy' of
truncating the disk allocation such that the last cylinder was also not
available until a few fixpaks back.  I don't recall the exact details,
but it was along the lines of forcing the last partition to end no
futher than the last head, last sector of the last full cylinder on the
disk.  If the last partition ended exactly st the end of the disk, a
full cylinder was reserved.  I think that there was also a minimum
reserved space required based on disk size.  While this was fixed about
the time the first >4.1 gig version of IBM1S506.ADD (it applied to SCSI
as well) there was considerable discussion with Sam Detweiler on the
news groups at the time since he was writing the drivers.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       01-Dec-99 17:02:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         03-Dec-99 00:48:13
Subj: DETACH

Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai
on 11-29-99  10:32 about DETACH...

 JDBP>> Indeed, I explicitly made the point that the OS/2 kernel itself 
 JDBP>> makes *no* distinction whatsoever between "text mode" and 
 JDBP>> "graphical" processes.  This was the whole point that I was making. 
 
 MR> Part of the priority table is something called "window boost", which
 MR> near as I can tell, serves no purpose other than to give a priority
 MR> boost to a graphical program.
 MR> [...]
 MR> So, in that limited respect, the kernel may be considered "aware" of a
 MR> difference between text-mode and graphical programs, though it's an
 MR> awareness that can be removed with a hex editor.

 JDBP> Actually, that doesn't mean that the kernel is aware of the difference
 JDBP> between textual and graphical programs.  The "foreground priority
 JDBP> boost" was in the very first 16-bit version of OS/2, well before
 JDBP> Presentation Manager was introduced and thus well before there even
 JDBP> were such things as graphical OS/2 programs.

 JDBP> This boost gives an increase in priority to "the foreground process". 
 JDBP> But the kernel does not determine what "the foreground process"
 JDBP> actually is.  It leaves that decision up to others.  All that the
 JDBP> kernel knows is that one process is singled out as being the process
 JDBP> that is "in the foreground" and is as a result to be given preferential
 JDBP> treatment when it comes to doling out CPU time. 
 JDBP> I suspect that it is the session manager that determines what the
 JDBP> foreground process is.  The 16-bit OS/2 CP reference describes the
 JDBP> foreground process as the process that "has the input focus", so I
 JDBP> suspect some collusion by the KBD subsystem in the making of this
 JDBP> decision as well.  Unfortunately, that is pretty much all that is said
 JDBP> anywhere on the subject. 

I'm not talking about the foreground boost.  The window boost is completely
separate from the foreground boost.  It apparently applies to any program
which has a graphical window, and is applied independently of the
foreground boost.  It might be dependent on whether or not the window is
visible, but I doubt it, given the extra work required to determine that
(since as little as possible should be done determining which thread gets
the CPU next).

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       01-Dec-99 17:05:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         03-Dec-99 00:48:13
Subj: fdisk /query

Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai
on 11-29-99  08:41 about fdisk /query...

 JDBP>> What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ?
 
 MR> I'd be inclined to go with physical definition order.  

 JDBP> You mean to simply enumerate all volumes on a single drive before
 JDBP> proceeding to the next one ?

Yes.
 
 MR> But my primary concern when writing the above was to criticize the 
 MR> practice of assigning letters to primary partitions on separate 
 MR> physical drives before assigning letters to any logical drives in 
 MR> extended partitions.

 JDBP> One can understand why it is this way, of course.  Choosing to
 JDBP> enumerate all primary partitions first made MS-DOS 3.3 backwards
 JDBP> compatible with MS-DOS 3.2 . 

Backwards compatible?  3.3 is when the extended partition came into being,
right?  If so, then backwards compatibility isn't the issue, since that was
broken by adding the extended partition.  The only thing guaranteed is that
the limited number of partitions that 3.2 sees will be in the same order as
in 3.3.

DOS 3.2 wouldn't be able to see a single partition on my system, so I
couldn't care less about ordering my drives in the same manner it did.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       01-Dec-99 17:37:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         03-Dec-99 00:48:13
Subj: We need a new FDISK

Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Murray Lesser
on 11-25-99  11:51 about We need a new FDISK...

[snip comments about partitions on track boundaries]

 JDBP> Maybe it's time for us to step boldly into the 1990s and drop this
 JDBP> rule. 

I might try testing this out on the drive I recently added to a system for
testing.  It should be a fairly simple matter to write an FDISK to do this
type of partitioning.

The test will be when I see if OS/2's FDISK chokes on the newly-partitioned
drive.  If it does, it'll be necessary to duplicate it's functionality,
which may be a bit tricky in the Boot Manager arena.

Mike Ruskai
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From: Francois Thunus                                   01-Dec-99 20:50:00
  To: Rachel Veraa                                      03-Dec-99 00:48:13
Subj: kreyol

Hello Rachel!

30 Nov 99 19:49, Rachel Veraa wrote to Holger Granholm:
 HG>> And what language is that?  Miamish?
 RV> Well, it's now Miami's third language, after English and Spanish.
 RV> It's Kreyl, the language of Haiti.

 RV>        N'a pale pi ta,
obviously based on French (on va parler plus tard)

                             -= Francois =-

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From: Francois Thunus                                   01-Dec-99 20:50:00
  To: All                                               03-Dec-99 00:48:13
Subj: connecting to a tcp/ip network - problem

Hello All!

background: a small network of linux machine connected by a tcp/ip network
with a nfs layer.

a Warp 3.0 blue FP35 os/2 machine.

I want to connect the warp machine to the network to transfer files mostly
from the os/2 machine to the network.

I already have an old 512k amstrad connected to the network via the serial. I
login using a simple terminal sofware and I can work on the unix machine, but
I can't transfer files that way (or at least I haven't found how).
I have connected the same cable to the os/2 machine for a test, but for some
reason I get gibbersih in the terminal. I suspect a speed problem, but
couldn't find anything.

Does anybody have an idea how to solve that problem ?

I have had a look at the bonus pack and its peer2peer program, which includes
internet connection, but I haven't understood _at_all_ how I am supposed to
configure that. The program somehow detected an internet adress at install
time (I really wonder HOW and WHERE since none was configured), but I couldn't 
find a place to tell it to use the serial port.

any help appreciated.

                             -= Francois =-

"You'll have to excuse me, I'm terribly happy."  -- Arthur

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From: Sandro Coana                                      02-Dec-99 21:31:22
  To: Lee Aroner                                        03-Dec-99 01:12:01
Subj: WarpCenter INI file ?

     Hello Lee Aroner,

 LA> Anyone know what the WarpCenter INI file is?

 LA> Had a crash today and wound up having to install from backup 
 LA> because I conldn't find any obvious file to restore the only 
 LA> broken part - the WarpCenter.

     Only may sugestion.
     make folder C:\warpcenter
     make 2 CMD above.
     run only modifify warpcenter.
     put CMD in folder OS/2 System.

     
     Backup Warpcenter.CMD

     @echo off
     rem ****************** Backup Warpcenter *****************
     copy c:\os2\dll\dock*.cfg c:\warpctr
     copy c:\os2\dll\SCENTER.CFG c:\warpctr
     pause
     exit



     Restore Warpcenter.CMD

     @echo off
     rem ****************** Restore Warpcenter *****************
     copy c:\warpctr\dock*.cfg c:\os2\dll
     copy c:\warpctr\SCENTER.CFG c:\os2\dll
     pause
     exit



     Regards

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From: Murray Lesser                                     02-Dec-99 16:25:01
  To: Will Honea                                        02-Dec-99 16:25:01
Subj: Multiple visible primary

(Excerpts from a message dated 12-01-99, Will Honea to Murray Lesser)

Hi Will-- 

ML>     Available-space discussions make sense only when one remembers
ML> that they are purely relative.  You really ought to understand that
ML> 8 MB is only 0.1% of an 8 GB drive (0.2% of a 4 GB drive, in case
ML> arithmetic is difficult for you), so is in the noise as far as
ML> usable space on such drives is concerned.  One tenth of one percent
ML> isn't worth worrying about, let alone making a serious(?) suggestion
ML> that legacy drive usage be modified to "save" any part of it.
ML> 
ML>     It was Euripides (fifth century, BCE) who wrote "The gods visit the
ML> sins of the fathers upon the children."  You will just have to
ML> learn to live, patiently, with those early architectural sins!  Of
ML> course, I suppose you could move to another platform and start over
ML> with another set of guesses about what the future may bring.  Or
ML> become a monopoly so you can ignore your legacy customers :-).

WH>I'm surprised that no one has thought to mention the IBM 'policy' of
  >truncating the disk allocation such that the last cylinder was also
  >not available until a few fixpaks back.  I don't recall the exact
  >details, but it was along the lines of forcing the last partition to
  >end no futher than the last head, last sector of the last full
  >cylinder on the disk.  If the last partition ended exactly st the end
  >of the disk, a full cylinder was reserved.  I think that there was
  >also a minimum reserved space required based on disk size.  While
  >this was fixed about the time the first >4.1 gig version of
  >IBM1S506.ADD (it applied to SCSI as well) there was considerable
  >discussion with Sam Detweiler on the news groups at the time since he
  >was writing the drivers.

   AFAIAC, the loss of that last cylinder is also "in the noise" :-(. If
I wanted to guess, I would say that the practice you describe dates from
the XT days when the last cylinder was reserved for a test track used
only by the hard-drive read/write diagnostics.  I had a small
assembly-language routine for my XT that moved the heads over to that
last cylinder before shutting down, so that if there wasn't a smooth
landing, there would be no damage to usable data.  As I understand it,
this was done automatically on the AT.  (I never owned an AT; I skipped
the 286 generation as it didn't make any sense to me.)  I would guess
that hard-drive reliability (at least for drives from reputable makers)
had improved (by the time OS/2 came along) to the point where that "test
track" was probably unnecessary, but nobody noticed it was still there
until relatively recently!

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Lee Aroner                                        29-Nov-99 17:50:00
  To: Ian Moote                                         03-Dec-99 13:20:23
Subj: WarpCenter INI file ?

LA> Anyone know what the WarpCenter INI file is?

IM> Back in April John Angelico was kind enough to inform me that the 
  > WarpCenter configuration is stored in the files c:\os2\dll\scenter.cfg 
  > and c:\os2\dll\dock*.cfg. Hope this helps. Take care and TTYL.

   And so they are!

   Info filed away and thanks Ian!!

                                               LRA


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From: Lee Aroner                                        29-Nov-99 18:27:01
  To: Rachel Veraa                                      03-Dec-99 13:20:23
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Window

RV>        N'a pale pi ta,

             ^^^^^^   Swazi ?  Zulu?


                                       LRA


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Dec-99 08:28:25
  To: Rob Basler                                        03-Dec-99 13:20:23
Subj: r0stub.sys

Hello Rob,

30 Nov 99 10:56, Rob Basler wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> This is some sort of low-level support system for newer audio device
RB> drivers which run at both ring-0 and ring-3 to make them easier to
RB> debug.  I know it is used by creative labs drivers, I don't know about
RB> other drivers.

Thanks. My soundcard is crystal based, not a creative labs.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Dec-99 08:34:02
  To: Jack Stein                                        03-Dec-99 13:20:23
Subj: >2Mb drive issues.

Hello Jack,

30 Nov 99 08:21, Jack Stein wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> Or use the 2GBFIX TSR:

JS> Yes, thats a great little program.

Yep, 2GBFIX is a gem. :)

JS> Also a contender for the "small program" thread (which ended), since
JS> it's only 821 bytes.

I like small programs, it makes it easier to make the system more modular.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Dec-99 09:29:27
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         03-Dec-99 13:20:23
Subj: fdisk /query

Hello Jonathan,

29 Nov 99 10:01, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Peter Knapper:

JP> as many problems, would be to extend the Universal Naming Convention
JP> to include local volumes.  Volumes would automatically be assigned
JP> names such as \\.\HARDDISK0PARTITION2 , which one could use directly

This prevents the problem where many devices are in use they run out of
letters to assign to and it prevents the volume names from shifting when a new 
partition is created when no harddisks are changed, but that doesn't prevent
the problem of shifting drive letters or shifting volume names when a new
harddisk is added before the existing harddisks. For example if a new harddisk 
is added to become the new harddisk 0 instead of an existing one and all the
existing harddisks are numbered in the order of the existing order then all
existing harddisks get a new number.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Dec-99 09:47:21
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         03-Dec-99 13:20:23
Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions

Hello Jonathan,

29 Nov 99 10:49, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:

JP> just to confirm my educated guess (based on the fact that prior to
JP> MS-DOS version 3.3 one was forced to use multiple visible primary
....snip....
JP> have traced through the source code for), can also see multiple
JP> visible primary partitions.

I can confirm that plain DOS sees all visible (=not hidden) primary partitions 
on the same harddisk at once. I have seen that on someone's else system.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Dec-99 10:14:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   03-Dec-99 13:20:23
Subj: DELTREE

Hello Holger,

29 Nov 99 20:46, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> Was that on a FAT partition with hundreds files in one or more
ET>> directories under plain DOS booted (=not under OS/2) without a disk
ET>> cache ?

HG> AFAIK deltree is a DOS program and consequently it was a FAT patition.

That still leaves one question I asked to be answered: was it run under plain
DOS booted (=not under OS/2) without a disk cache?

There are OS/2 programs with the name DELTREE and have the same purpose as its 
DOS counterpart. And DOS programs can be run under OS/2, and also on HPFS
partitions.

So: was it run under plain DOS booted (=not under OS/2) without a disk cache?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Dec-99 16:28:05
  To: All                                               03-Dec-99 13:20:23
Subj: wave files?

Hello All,

Does someone know where to find these files:

WIN95.WAV      389140 W'95 client in panic asks for help
                      Helpdesk is clueless. Starring Charles Heston.
                      Time 0:35.28
W95.WAV       2009650 Nice parody on the Rolling Stones song
                      Start me up that Microsoft used for their
                      W'95 campaign. Time 1:31.13

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Holger Granholm                                   02-Dec-99 20:06:00
  To: Rachel Veraa                                      03-Dec-99 19:25:28
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows

In a message dated 11-30-99, Rachel Veraa said to Holger Granholm:

RV>In a message to Rachel Veraa, Holger Granholm wrote:

 RV>        N'a pale pi ta,

HG> And what language is that?  Miamish?

RV>Well, it's now Miami's third language, after English and Spanish.

RV>It's Kreyl, the language of Haiti.

Thank you Rachel. Now everybody reading this echo knows it.

However, you'll have to answer the same question when new users join.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   02-Dec-99 20:06:00
  To: Joe Provencio                                     03-Dec-99 19:25:28
Subj: Canon BJC 5000 printer dr

In a message dated 12-01-99, Joe Provencio said to All:

JP>noticed there are no specific drivers for this model. There are
JP>drivers for the modle 5500 but not the 5000, Can the 5500 driver be
JP>used for the 5000 on a OS/2 v4  system ??

Try it!! Chances are good.

Happy Holidays,

Holger

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From: Peter Knapper                                     04-Dec-99 10:36:26
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         03-Dec-99 22:38:05
Subj: fdisk /query

Hi Jonathan,

Well I waited a few days to see if anyone else would come in on this, but its
been pretty quiet, so it looks like few others considered it to be a worth
while discussion as well......;-)

 PK> How about the method used by unix? 

 JdBP> Given that UNIX doesn't *have* drive letters, I can 
 JdBP> see that this idea is going to be an interesting one. 
 JdBP>  (-:

Ok, maybe I should have made that "How about mounting other partitions off the 
Root (booted) file system (partition) similar to unix."

 PK> Then the "issue" over the visibility and ordering of
 PK> primary/logical partitions goes away completely...

 JdBP> Actually, no it doesn't go away.  It is just renamed in the hope that 
 JdBP> everyone will overlook it.

Not at all, it really does "go away" as far as the USER is concerned (and it
IS the USER we are doing this for isn't it?). Of course these issues are going 
to remain for the OS, regardless of it being a manual or automatic process. In 
my scenario, ALL "other" partitions are accessed under the Root by USER
defined controls. When the USER wants to assigned a drive letter (other than
C:), then HE has can make the necessary decisions. Alternatively he can set it 
up to automatically assign Drive letters much as it does now, however the OS
should work on the "single drive letter" principle. If the User wants, his OS
can boot and run fine using just the ONE drive letter, which will ALWAYS be
C:.

 JdBP> (Amazingly, this actually seems to happen.  (-:)  What on "PC 
 JdBP> style" operating systems is an issue of drive letter assignment 
 JdBP> order is, on PC unices, an issue of the assignment order of 
 JdBP> device numbers. 

HOWEVER, in my scenario that device "ordering" is NOT critical to the
operation of the OS other than for the initial install stage, and the
methodology of doing that is already worked out and handled by the install
routines anyway. To the User, nothing really changes in this area, other than
the identification label (IE the drive letter) that is attached to the device. 
In the User control scenario only ONE letter (C:) is assigned by the OS, ALL
others are assigned by the User. If the system is set up to automatically
assign Drive latters, then that is optional, but NOT required by the OS.

 JdBP> One still has to change things. 

Try as I might, I can't see your logic here. Whatever changes that affect the
boot up process will change for ALL OS's that need to find that same device
again, regardless of the storage mechanism or "labels" that are used to
address the device. Yes, this part will be the biggest change that a human
will have to work with, however the overall process is not far removed from
having to work with the current "dynamic" drive letter assignment anyway. 

Of course people can move from a Dos drive letter based environment to a unix
one, they have been doing it for quite a while now. Its like moving a person
from riding a 2 wheeled bike to a motorcar, the roadmap is the same, the road
itself is the same, and the passengers are the same, its just the skills
needed to navigate the vehicle are slightly different, but certainly not
unattainable.

 JdBP> One simply has to change *different* things.

Exactly, one still has partitions to work with, but the addressing of those
partitions changes from drive letters to paths under the Root. Instead of this 
process being a dynamic (arbitrary) assignment by the OS, the partition
"assignment" phase moves totally to USER control. Sure, you can have an
automatic assignment tool that builds the map for you, or it can suggest what
partitions are available and leave it up to the user to decide what they are
and where to place them. 

I think the main point I am trying to make here is that the ONLY OS decided
issues relate to the BOOT partition, everything else is under total USER
control (either automatic or manual).

 JdBP> Indeed, this is in fact made *more* complicated on unices than on "PC 
 JdBP> style" operating systems because one has to have 
 JdBP> *additional* mechanisms to enable the partition 
 JdBP> number for the root volume to be overridden in the 
 JdBP> case that the re-partitioning happens to have altered 
 JdBP> it.  This is because it is compiled into the kernel.  

I said SIMILAR to the unix style of partition assignment, however who says you 
have to follow the unix brain dead style of manually rebuilding the kernal for 
such changes! I actually find this methodology a bit backward in todays modern 
computing environment, however I suppose unix has been around a long time and
its hard to teach an old dog new tricks.......;-)

 JdBP> ( Actually, there's no reason that unix boot loaders 
 JdBP> cannot do the same as "PC style" operating systems do 
 JdBP> here and have the boot loader automatically work out 
 JdBP> the correct device number for the root volume and 
 JdBP> pass it to the kernel.  I suspect that the reason 
 JdBP> that they do not is a blind refusal on the part of 
 JdBP> unix devotees to take a good idea from "peecee 
 JdBP> operating systems" despite it being a good idea, more 
 JdBP> than anything else. )

Aha... we think alike in this area then.........;-)

Cheers............pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     04-Dec-99 11:40:16
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         03-Dec-99 22:38:06
Subj: fdisk /query

Hi Jonathan,

 PK> [...]
 PK> While this is a MAJOR change in the concept of partitions and drive
 PK> letter assignment to DOS/OS2/Windows people, it 
 PK> is a change that may
 PK> not be that large or difficult to implement (he 
 PK> says innocently)........;-)

 JdBP> I'm not convinced that it gains one anything, though. 
 JdBP>  It makes the situation a lot worse, in some respects.

Here we strongly disagree. One gains the ability for the USER to control
things again, and not leave them up to the machine to arbitrarily define.

Note that I said "gains the ability". If the USER wants, he can do all this
manually. If he doesn't, then he can have the machine decide on these issues.
At least it puts the user back in control of things.

 JdBP> First of all, by introducing an extra layer of 
 JdBP> indirection into the whole process, it doubles the 
 JdBP> reconfiguration overhead.

Pardon? WHAT reconfiguration overhead are you talking about? And another layer 
of indirection is a non-issue, we ARE using computers that are suppposed to be 
good at carrying out the boring and mundain tasks that humans prefer to leave
alone. Besides, I can't see another layer of indirection at all, we already
have that with the "mapping" of physical volmes to logical drive letters! All
we are doing it mapping Physical drives to logical paths!

 JdBP> One has to have some 
 JdBP> naming scheme for the raw volumes and a table of 
 JdBP> mount directives, so that one can say "mount volume 
 JdBP> X,Y at this point in the directory tree".

Yes. A table that the USER builds, not the machine. 

 JdBP> One then has to have *another* table of drive letter 
 JdBP> assignments to say "drive letter Q: is this point in 
 JdBP> the directory tree".

ONLY if it is necessary to HAVE a drive letter there! Remember, in my scenario 
this is for backwards compatibilty only!


 JdBP> Second, whilst it may look superficially attractive one cannot in 
 JdBP> practice break the identity between a drive letter 
 JdBP> and a single physical volume without a major paradigm shift. This is 
 JdBP> because the operating system API itself is designed 
 JdBP> to allow (controlled) low-level access to raw volumes 
 JdBP> where necessary, and it uses drive letters to "name" 
 JdBP> those volumes.

I see 2 choices here -
  1. Map a drive letter to the physical object and all those OLD methods will
still work. The "low level" access really just becomes a high level one...
  2. Update the old S/W to change the object being addressed, from a drive
letter (Eg F:) to being a volume identifier (Eg: HD2:ACCOUNTS). Thats going
from 1 (or 2 if the colon is needed) bytes, to perhaps 20 bytes (I am being
generous). Note that SIMPLE in my terms means how SIMPLE it would be to
address te DEVICE, not how complex to implement.

Yes, MANY changes would need to be made and a lot of S/W would break in my
"native" scenario, UNLESS the USER (or system) "mapped" drive letters
appropriately. My preferred approach would see all these low level utilities
updated to use a much more useful approach to direct device access. 

 JdBP> Third, one has the problem that new volumes aren't 
 JdBP> automatically and immediately directly accessible.  

What problem? If the USER WANTS this to happen, then he sets the system up to
do it! At least he has the ability to control this process if he wants to.


 JdBP> With the proposed scheme one would have to manually add a new 
 JdBP> entry to the "mount" table before one could even access the volume.

For manual control yes, but this can also be done automatically.

What I would like out of all this is the ability to make these decisions
myself, rather than have the machine make them for me.

 JdBP> An alternative scheme, one that is similar but that doesn't have quite 
 JdBP> as many problems, would be to extend the Universal 
 JdBP> Naming Convention to include local volumes. 

Now you are really getting into it, and that would be how PHYSICAL devices are 
accessed, and how LOGICAL drive letters assigned! See, its not really that
hard.......;-)

The only catch here would be if the DRIVE ordering changed, but then the same
issue exists regardless of how one addresses physical devices.

 JdBP> So "C:\CONFIG.SYS" would expand, internally, to 
 JdBP> "\\.\HARDDISK0PARTITION2\CONFIG.SYS" .

Close, but too verbose and Windy like.....;_) Should be more like -
        \\.\HD0:WARP5\Config.Sys

One other annoyance is when the OS changes the NAME of a partition at install
time, now THAT could cause problems with multiple partitions set up with the
SAME OS.......;-)

 JdBP> I am told (not having ever seen or used it myself) that OS/2 
 JdBP> Warp Server version 4 assigns UNC names to local 
 JdBP> volumes in much this way, too.

Sounds like half the work is already done then.........;-)

Cheers..........pk.


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From: August Abolins                                    03-Dec-99 17:39:12
  To: Holger Granholm                                   03-Dec-99 22:38:06
Subj: Yet another magazine

Hi Holger!

On 11-23-1999 at 07:15:00PM, 
Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to All:

 HG> It is with deep regret that I can inform that the last OS/2 column in
 HG> the Personal Computer World will appear in the January 2000 issue.


There are still quite a few darn good info sources on the web.


 .aa.

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From: Will Honea                                        03-Dec-99 01:22:01
  To: Lee Aroner                                        03-Dec-99 01:22:01
Subj: WarpCenter INI file ?

Hey, Lee, why all the fuss?  Don't you use the archive desktop
function wjenever you make significant changes to the desktop <g>.

For all the grief some people have that is really a useful tool.  It
restores at least the ini files, the desktop, config.sys, and the
Warpcenter.  I've got a mess here trying to get UDB 6.2 installed
(hangs me solid 2 out of 3 boots ;-{ ) and I've probably used the
archive restore during boot half a dozen times tonight alone.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Peter French                                      03-Dec-99 17:27:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Dec-99 17:27:00
Subj: cache

On 1999/11/30, Eddy Thilleman wrote to All on message number 316;
  Hello Eddy,
ET> Is there an advantage to have more than one lazy write
ET> workers on the HPFS cache? Does this help with the
ET> performance when writing to disk (HPFS partition)?

  I was told by Denis Tonn that there is an optimum - too many can also
degrade
performance.  For my 96MB system he suggested:
          DiskIdle:    30000 milliseconds
            MaxAge:    60000 milliseconds
        BufferIdle:    15000 milliseconds
        Cache size:     2048 kbytes
3 Lazy write worker(s) are enabled.
1 Read ahead worker(s) are enabled.
Relationship as DiskIdle=2*BufferIdle, Maxage=2(to 5)*DiskIdle


___
 X KWQ/2 1.2i X I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!

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