
                  OS/2 Lan discussion              (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 20-Nov-1999 to Friday, 26-Nov-1999

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From: Sean Dennis                                       19-Nov-99 09:19:18
  To: George White                                      20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Hello, George.

-=> Replying to a message of George White to Sean Dennis:

 SD>> Since we've moved so far off the subject, I've moved this into
 SD>> netmail (and pray that it gets to you; right now I can only use
 SD>> routed netmail :)

 GW> Spoil sport, I think you should have moved it to OS2BBS!

:)

Later,
Sean

. o O ( Happy holidays from the staff at AfterHours/2 BBS! )

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From: Peter Knapper                                     21-Nov-99 09:33:16
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 20:27:18
Subj: Peer Services REPLICATOR service.

Hi Folks,

Has anyone actually USED the REPLICATOR function of OS/2 Peer Services? 

I have set it up in a test environment and after some intensive reading of the 

minimalist "Documentation" (now THAT could do with a serious re-write,
currently its classic IBM Gobildy-gook!), it appears to work as I would
expect. I am surprised that there is so little mention of this "feature" of
Peer Services. In fact after running Warp Connect for 4 years I only
"discovered" REPLICATOR very recently. 

I would also be interested to hear anyone elses comments about it (good and
bad), before I put it to "productive" use.

Cheers............pk.


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From: Don Guy                                           21-Nov-99 10:46:21
  To: Peter Knapper                                     21-Nov-99 21:30:15
Subj: Peer Services REPLICATOR service.

Greetings Peter!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Peter
Knapper to All was intercepted...

 PK> In fact after running Warp Connect for 4 years I only "discovered"
 PK> REPLICATOR very recently.

You're one up on me--I don't even know what a replicator service is!

-Don



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From: Don Guy                                           21-Nov-99 21:28:02
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt

Greetings All!

Picture if you will, a lonely little system, hiding in a closet with no joy
other than to share its files and a printer.

My desire is for an unattended boot & logon to the network.  I had thought
that by adding "logon username /p:password" to StartUp.Cmd, I might be able to 
get around the logon prompt that pops up when the requester service is
started. 
Unfortunately I was wrong.  The logon dialog sits there, and waits
indefinately until it's dismissed manually.  Meanwhile neither the shared
files nor the printer is available.

Does anyone know how I can bypass that nasty little pop-up?

-Don



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From: Peter Knapper                                     22-Nov-99 19:31:24
  To: Don Guy                                           22-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Peer Services REPLICATOR service.

Hi Don,

 PK> In fact after running Warp Connect for 4 years I only "discovered"
 PK> REPLICATOR very recently.

 DG> You're one up on me--I don't even know what a replicator service is!

In simple terms, if you have multiple OS/2 Peer Systems (and I understand
other OS's can participate) on a LAN, it allows you to automatically replicate 
a directory structure from one machine to the other, AND the system will
automatically track changes to the source directory tree and replicate those
changes on the destination machine. If a file changes on the "exporter"
machine, then that same file change will be replicated on the "importer"
machine. Please note that replication takes place some time AFTER the original 
file is changed, so this is not a replacement for a Disk Array. 

Cheers..........pk.


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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    22-Nov-99 14:02:05
  To: Don Guy                                           22-Nov-99 19:44:15
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt

-> Does anyone know how I can bypass that nasty little pop-up?

Mine DOESN'T!  I have no mention of "Logon"  NOR "Password" Anywhere.

Mine boots and shares and runs unattended even when it's not shut down
in an orderly manner. (Power failure)

 ^..^
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From: Will Honea                                        22-Nov-99 23:45:00
  To: Don Guy                                           22-Nov-99 23:45:00
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt

Don Guy wrote to All on 11-21-1999

DG> Greetings All!
DG> 
DG> Picture if you will, a lonely little system, hiding in a 
DG> closet with no joy other than to share its files and a 
DG> printer.
DG> 
DG> My desire is for an unattended boot & logon to the network. 
DG>  I had thought that by adding "logon username /p:password" 
DG> to StartUp.Cmd, I might be able to get around the logon 
DG> prompt that pops up when the requester service is started. 
DG> Unfortunately I was wrong.  The logon dialog sits there, and waits
DG>  indefinately until it's dismissed manually.  Meanwhile  neither the
DG> shared files nor the printer is available.
DG> 
DG> Does anyone know how I can bypass that nasty little pop-up?

Poor little feller...  The way I handle this is to remove ALL of the
start requester (or server, if it's Warp server) options from the WPS
configuration tools.  Then make the FIRST operation in the startup.cmd
a 'logon nnn /p:ppp' line.  That will start the server/requester and
procede with the logon as requested.  Works for Warp 3 + Lan Requester,
Connect, Warp 4, and all the Warp Server versions I work with.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Peter Knapper                                     23-Nov-99 19:34:10
  To: Don Guy                                           23-Nov-99 06:55:08
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt

Hi Don,

 DG> I had thought that by adding "logon username 
 DG> /p:password" to StartUp.Cmd, I might be able to get 
 DG> around the logon prompt that pops up when the requester 
 DG> service is started. 

It is possible start up OS/2 Peer Services without any login prompt, or even
logging in a user, in fact this is the "normal" method of starting it up. All
my OS/2 machine start up without a prompt of a usr to log on... If you are
seeing a LOGIN panel, then something that requires a user to be logged in is
ALSO starting up, and this is forcing the action you see. 

There are 2 main ways to start up OS/2 networking -

  1. From an icon titled "File and Printer Sharing" (Warp 4 name, Warp 3 is
called "Start OS/2 Peer"), in the Startup Folder, 

  2. Via a command line action that can be either - 
     1. An explicit Networking command such as -
        NET START REQ           (or similar)
     2. The use of a NETWORK function that forces the network to start up -
        LOGON userid /p:password /r /s

I use method 2.2 if I want Networking automatically running and need a user
logged in, but otherwise I prefer method 2.1 for startup. If you dont find
anything obvious, list the contents of your Startup Folder, and also list your 
STARTUP.CMD file (if used).

Regards..................pk.


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From: Bryan Rubingh                                     23-Nov-99 11:27:00
  To: Don Guy                                           23-Nov-99 11:27:00
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt


Don,

Exact same problem I had.  Took me a couple years before I stumbled
across the solution.  You need to edit the config.sys file.  You have a
line which looks like:

SET AUTOSTART=TASKLIST,FOLDERS,LAUNCHPAD,CONNECTIONS

Remove the ",CONNECTIONS" from the list.  Then the logon prompt will no
longer appear when you boot the machine.  You do need to leave the logon
command in your startup.cmd.

(Note:  I think it is "CONNECTIONS".  I removed it from mine so I'm
going by memory.)


The problem is that OS/2 attempts to autostart the LAN connections as
they were when you powered down.  To do that it needs to logon.  Thus,
that pops up before the "net start" has even finished.  It is NOT "net
start" which is bringing up the logon window.

One other tip I found that may assist you.  We have some machines which
we want logged on all the time.  We have a rexx program which updates
some files on the server every ten minutes.  If they encounter an error
accessing the server, they logoff and logon again.  I don't have the
rexx code here, but as I recall there is a parameter we added to logon
so it doesn't display an error if it can't logon.  That way if an error
occurs while trying to logon, it won't bring up the logon window, the
program will continue and try again in 10 minutes.  If you are
interested, let me know and I'll try to get the code.  Could be a couple
weeks before I get over there though.

  Bryan Rubingh


-=> Quoting Don Guy to All <=-

 DG> Greetings All!

 DG> Picture if you will, a lonely little system, hiding in a
 DG> closet with no joy other than to share its files and a
 DG> printer.

 DG> My desire is for an unattended boot & logon to the network.
 DG> I had thought that by adding "logon username /p:password"
 DG> to StartUp.Cmd, I might be able to get around the logon
 DG> prompt that pops up when the requester service is started.
 DG> Unfortunately I was wrong.  The logon dialog sits there, and waits
 DG> indefinately until it's dismissed manually.  Meanwhile
 DG> neither the shared files nor the printer is available.

 DG> Does anyone know how I can bypass that nasty little pop-up?

 DG> -Don



 DG> ... Keyboard error or no keyboard. Press <F1> to continue.
 DG> -!-
 DG>  ! Origin: EI/2 [Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada] (1:249/176)



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From: Alan Bremner                                      22-Nov-99 23:55:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     24-Nov-99 06:35:29
Subj: Peer Services REPLICATOR

PK> I would also be interested to hear anyone elses comments about it
PK> (good and bad), before I put it to "productive" use.

I used it to create an exact duplicate of my mail folders on to Warp
Server, so that I could answer my mail from whichever computer was
convenient.

It's a very useful service, although I have to agree with you about
the woefully inadequate docs. It was a PITA to get working at first -
very much a case of trial and error.

Alan
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From: Don Guy                                           24-Nov-99 06:53:14
  To: Peter Knapper                                     24-Nov-99 15:13:14
Subj: Peer Services REPLICATOR service.

Greetings Peter!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Peter
Knapper to Don Guy was intercepted...

 PK> In simple terms, if you have multiple OS/2 Peer Systems (and I understand
 PK> other OS's can participate) on a LAN, it allows you to automatically
 PK> replicate a directory structure from one machine to the other,
<snip>

Ahhh... Sounds an awful lot like FTP mirrors.  Thanks for the info!

-Don



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From: Don Guy                                           25-Nov-99 20:52:06
  To: Robin Iwamoto                                     26-Nov-99 06:02:02
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt

Greetings Robin!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Robin
Iwamoto to Don Guy was intercepted...

 RI> It might be that using the STARTUP.CMD is doing the logon "before OS/2 is
 RI> ready".  I don't have a better explanation for that; but what I do
instead
 RI> of using STARTUP.CMD is use another file (in my case, CLEANUP.CMD)
 RI> and shadow that file in the Startup Folder.

Thanks for the suggestion.  While it didn't solve the problem, while tinkering 
with what was being started from where I gained some insight into where the
logon dialog box is coming from...

After disabling all of the network-related items in both StartUp.Cmd and the
Startup folder, the logon dialog /still/ appears.  My conclusion at this point 
is that something in the Config.Sys.  Determining which item that is however,
is another story--there are 8 executables and one .cmd in the network portion
of the config.sys, and I don't know one from the other.  :-/


-Don



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From: Don Guy                                           25-Nov-99 21:12:03
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    26-Nov-99 06:02:02
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt

Greetings Elvis!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Elvis
Hargrove to Don Guy was intercepted...

 EH> Mine boots and shares and runs unattended even when it's not shut
 EH> down in an orderly manner. (Power failure)

Precisely what I'm looking for...  Now what'd you do that I didn't (or vice
versa)?  :-)

-Don



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From: Peter Knapper                                     26-Nov-99 22:54:02
  To: Alan Bremner                                      26-Nov-99 09:22:12
Subj: Peer Services REPLICATOR

Hi Alan,

 AB> It's a very useful service, although I have to agree with you about
 AB> the woefully inadequate docs. It was a PITA to get working at first -
 AB> very much a case of trial and error.

Agreed on that count. Another "issue" I have is that I can't figure out how to 
set up an EXPORT from more than ONE drive/path per exporting machine. It would 
also be nice to be able to set up more than ONE IMPORT path, however that
means its just a case of ensuring the destination partition is large enough
for EVERYTHING coming from ALL Exporters. 

Effectively I would like to be able to spread the replication over multiple
drives on each machine. Oh well, perhaps I should just dream on.....;-)

Cheers........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     26-Nov-99 23:05:26
  To: Don Guy                                           26-Nov-99 09:22:12
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt

Hi Don,


 DG> After disabling all of the network-related items in 
 DG> both StartUp.Cmd and the Startup folder, the logon 
 DG> dialog /still/ appears.  My conclusion at this point is 
 DG> that something in the Config.Sys.

Hmmmmm. Perhaps you could post the entire contents of your CONFIG.SYS and
STARTUP.CMD files. We might see something there that is triggering things off. 


Cheers...........pk.


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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    26-Nov-99 14:04:05
  To: Don Guy                                           26-Nov-99 20:16:18
Subj: Warp 3 Logon prompt

-> Precisely what I'm looking for...  Now what'd you do that I didn't
-> (or vice versa)?  :-)

Well, fer starters, mine wasn't Warp Connect to begin with. I added
network services at a later time, and just setup the parts that I wanted
piecemeal from a set of floppies.

I never did have the problems that Roy J. had with the requester
starting etc, or any logon passwords or anything.

That may have nothing to DO with it, but that's what *I* did
differently.

Configuring the networking, I only added two protocols Netbios and
TCP/IP, put in the NIC driver stuff and it worked.  Of course I already
had Lantastic running in a Dos window so I knew what it took to make
THAT work, and didn't have to worry about whether the LAN itself was
good.

 ^..^
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