
                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 06-Nov-1999 to Friday, 12-Nov-1999

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From: Murray Lesser                                     06-Nov-99 11:53:01
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      06-Nov-99 11:53:01
Subj: Confirmation Needed

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-03-99, John Thompson to Ron Nicholls)

Hi Ron--

JT>In a message to Charles Gaefke, Ron Nicholls wrote re: Confirmation
  >Needed

RN> How do you format a zip, hpfs,charles?

JT>IIRC, you need one of the newer fixpacks.  You need to "lock" the ZIP
  >drive to format and use it and explicitly "unlock" the drive to
  >remove the disk.

    If my experience is typical, you need an "older" FixPak :-).  I am
assuming that you have the Iomega OS/2 driver package for Zip diskettes.
Following the instructions therein, when I was able to so format Zip
diskettes under Warp 3 FixPak 5.  I experimented enough at that time to
learn that I didn't want to use Zip diskettes so formatted, so never
tried it again until I first saw your request.  I attempted to repeat
the trick (running under Warp 4 FixPak 5), just to make sure it still
worked, before I answered.  I didn't answer earlier, because it didn't
work :-(.

    So, it seems that some FixPak between Warp 3 FixPak 5 and what I am
running under now invalidated the ability to format Zip diskettes HPFS.
Since I have no desire to use Zip Diskettes formatted HPFS, I haven't
bothered to see if a later (or earlier) FixPak will restore that
ability.

    Maybe I should change the tagline to "Even if it is broke, you may
be better off if you don't FixPak it!"

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Jack Stein                                        02-Nov-99 07:30:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Get Going

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Murray Lesser:

 ML> strange results.  Assume that you are going to repartition and
 ML> reinstall a few times during the learning process, so don't worry
 ML> too much about getting it right the first time.  It is fairly
 ML> hard to do any real damage under OS/2, especially if you avoid
 ML> "DEL *.*" commands and keep good backups <VBG>.

 LP> Oh God!  I hope not.  I don't mind tweaking bit I really
 LP> don't want to install more than once. 

The important thing is to install your operating systems on small partitions.  
No need to backup up much of your operating system, as it is already backed up 
on your install disks.  Once you get a fancy desktop that you like (sometimes
never happens) then, you can back up you ini files.  I personally never had to 
re-install OS/2 and I've been running it since the October beta in 1991 I
believe it was.  

Make sure you work out your drive partitions as carefully as possible.  Do it
on paper and give it a lot of thought, possibly post your thoughts here as you 
will get a lot of opinions on how to partition.  Moving partitions around is a 
big pain, and can be scary.  Too often, it becomes clear how you _should_ have 
done things after you add a drive, or lose a drive and so on.  What Murry is
saying is that quite often, after you initially install and run OS/2 for a
bit, you think of better ways of doing things and start over again from
scratch.

My recommendation is create 3 boot partitions, around 150 - 300 megs each (I
run WARP 3 and WARP 3 connect in 150 meg partitions with plenty of room to
spare, and WIN95 in a 200 meg partition, with plenty of room to spare) Make
two of them HPFS and install OS2 on them, or linux on one, and WIN95 on a FAT
partition.  If you keep them all within 504 megs total, you don't even need
LBA addressing for your large drives.  (I run a 5 gig drive, and no disk
mangler, no LBA addressing available on this machine)

 LP> I'll be losing my Sparq soon.  Won't have the big backup 
 LP> solution.

When I switched intially, I bought a new drive, so my old drive had all the
stuff on it I needed, no back-up was necessary.  That's the easiset thing to
do, and you get a nice new drive out of the deal:-)

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        02-Nov-99 07:48:26
  To: Dave Davidson                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Dave Davidson wrote in a message to Ian Moote:

 DD>> The two drives currently in that machine in question are Segate
 DD>> 4.3GB and a Western Digital 2.5GB.

 DD>  Yes. When I run the OS/2 install disks and it gets to
 DD> FDISK, it shows a  Type B partition, with the only options
 DD> available is to delete the  partition. When I delete it and
 DD> exit FDISK, the partition doesn't appear  to be there.
 DD> However, upon re-booting, it's there again.

If you did any drive swapping, or moving around, make sure that the
master/slave jumpers are correct, and that the bios has the correct, or the
same drive paramaters that it had for those drives before you switched them. 
(I recently have done that, so I remember some of the things I forgot to
do:-))

Also, once you delete the partitions, you must create new partitions.  Did you 
do that?

I am having a difficult time believing that FDISK recognized you had a type B
partition, yet refuses to delete the partition.  I suspect you are doing
something simple that is wrong here.  I have also been in exactly your
situation, where things were not saved, and it was always something simple I
was doing wrong, never was a mysterious partition that couldn't be deleted.  I 
never ran FAT32  though, but still, seems very strange FDISK can see the
partition, but not do anything about it.  Doing a LL format for 12 hours is
overkill for deleting a partition, but if that didn't work, then almost for
sure FAT32 is not the problem, something much simpler is at work here.  

 IM> Andy reported that FDisk was not removing the FAT32 partition.
 IM> You're the one running the software, does FDisk say that the
 IM> partition is still there or not? How much free space is it
 IM> reporting?

 DD>   It's only showing half the HD or around 2GB. I don't
 DD> remember the exact   numbers, but it is weird! When the Type
 DD> B partition is _deleted_ by   FDISK, OS/2 reports there's
 DD> not enough room to load Boot Manager or   anything else.

I'll bet the CMOS has the wrong paramaters for the drive.  Try telling the
CMOS that the drive is only 504 megs, then do it again, with no LBA
addressing, no diskmangler stuff on the drive.  I'd bet money it will work.

If it does, then you can go back and try using whatever you guys use to get
the IBM platform to recognize large drives.  No need to do that though, you
don't really need LBA when using OS/2.

 DD>   As I mentioned in a previous post, each of the three
 DD> drives discussed,   4.3GB Seagate, 2.5 WD and 10.3GB Seagate
 DD> were installed as a single drive   while trying to load
 DD> OS/2, as well as being in a Master/Slave   configuration.
 DD> Each with the same results. I spent almost 24 hours trying  
 DD> to get OS/2 loaded on that machine.

Are you certain you didn't have the drives defined wrong in the CMOS when
flipping them around, and that the jumpers for slave/master were correct?


 DD>> IM>> Once he _does_ get it installed, who do you think he's going
 DD>> to IM>> call whenever he has a problem with his OS/2 system? [:)
 IM> DD>
 DD>> Obviously, I'll call Andy, <g>

Nah, don't do that, just ask in here, he will answer w/o asking as soon as 12
of us give an answer that he doesn't like:-)  

 DD>  No, I was exposed to OS/2 before I met Andy, and a few
 DD> local Sysop's used  to run Adept. Now, I'm the only system
 DD> left in my local area. 

We had 130 systems in our net, now we have around 20, and most of those will
likely disappear at Y2K.  Hurry up and ask your questions before that.  You
have about 2 months left, and getting stuff might get difficult after that.  I 
might not be here for one (that might make it better..., but you get the idea)
Besides, I want to know what the problem turned out to be, so do it before
1/1/00.

                                              Jack 
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From: Herbert Bushong                                   03-Nov-99 09:18:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

::> ML>    VMODEM is part of the SIO package.  It acts as both telnet
::> ML>client and telnet server, so you can both download and upload files
::> ML>through it.

::> Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but I
::> think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use VModem.
::> I connect with modem.

No Holger, you don't. I used VModem with my dialup account to telnet out. 
Others have also used it for inbound telnet on a dialup account (slow though 
for mor than one or two inbounds at a time).  

 Herbert Bushong    harchon@centurytel.net
 Blackbeard's BBS   herb@intelec.com     http://www.intelec.com/software/
 Fido: 1:19/19      Intelec: 239:600/0

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From: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 23:01:09
  To: Daniela Engert                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Odin

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Daniela Engert wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 DE> IBMers might be interested in VPBuddy which works apart from one flaw
 DE> in the networking stuff. I have the Shockwave Viewer running here,

So when will be ready for bets test.....|-)


Anon,

Linda

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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Nov-99 18:46:05
  To: Ian Moote                                         07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Ian Moote wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

JS> AR> DD> Can ya send it to _ME_ as well.
JS>
JS> Me too Ian.  I want to get this stuff before Y2K probably
JS> disconnects me from FIDO land.

 IM> Holy cow!! [:) Just so long as you guys realize that I use
 IM> this stuff  internally -- it's nothing fancy but it works.
 IM> [:)

 IM> You got an E-Mail, Jack?
Damn, I must be getting old, forgot to give you my address:

     jbstein@bellatlantic.net

 IM> Well... I've had some trouble with OS/2's FDisk in the past.
 IM> It sounds  very similar to what Dave seems to be
 IM> experiencing. 

Me too.  Seems everytime I use it for the first time again, I have to fool
around with it.  Not that it's complicated, just that things don't always work 
as I anticipate or expect.  Usually, (always) I fool around a bit and it
works, and I seldom remember what was wrong, or what, if anything, I did to
get things to work. 

 IM> I really can't come  up with a reasonable
 IM> explanation why FDisk wouldn't delete the  partition.

I'd be surprised if it's anything special, but I've been surprised once or
twice in my life:-)
                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Nov-99 18:54:26
  To: Ian Moote                                         07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Weird windows...

Ian Moote wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

JS> If you have my GETSET.cmd, this is not too hard.

 IM> My turn! [:) I don't normally pay a lot of attention to .Cmd
 IM> utilities,  but this sounds very useful and interesting. Can
 IM> I get a copy from you?  Your choice: post publicly, NetMail
 IM> works, or E-Mail to 
 IM> diogenes@nas.net.

I'll be happy to send it to you.  Too long to post here.  It is not totally
polished as far as the user interface goes, but, it is a very handy little
tool if you play around with objects at all.  I do, or used to, so I wrote the 
script to help myself out, and got kind of carried away.  You can't hurt
anything with it, at least I never did, other than delete an object, but it
gives you lots of warning before that, other than that it's pretty neat, once
you get used to it.  I have some simple, short docs to help you get it going.  

It will create a REXX script that will re-create any object you have.  I use
that a lot.  You can edit the script and change things around, create other
objects with similar settings, stuff like that.  Also I use it to find the
objectid of icons so I can start applications from a script, particualary nice 
for DOS apps where you want to start apps from a script with all the DOS
settings.  It has a Search or Find function where you can have it search for
partial strings of object names, and it will list all the matches, let you
pick one to view the settings, create a script to recreate it, start it,
delete it and so on.  The settings it shows btw are all the settings that
differ from the default settings.

What prompted my post was a guy wanted a window to start maximized.  I know
you can fool around with mouse clicks and easily do that, but for me, I can
never remember exactly how to do that crap, and find it easier to just edit a
script that will overwrite the OBJECT, and change the setting directly.  It's
certainly not really easier, but it sure is more fun for me, and it works the
first time, every time.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Nov-99 19:19:28
  To: Sean Dennis                                       07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Weird windows...

Sean Dennis wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 SD> Hello Jack.

 SD> Saturday October 30 1999 17:08, you wrote to me:

 SD>> For some weird reason, when I open my VIO windows, they all come
 SD>> up minimized... I have to maximize them to be able to see
 SD>> them completely.  I've checked the properties of the 'main' window
 SD>> object in the Command Prompts folder in OS/2 System and all looks
 SD>> well.  Any suggestions?

 ET>> The only thing I can think of now is that you somehow made
 ET>> the minimized state the default for all windowed sessions,
 ET>> if that's the case then I think this should cure it: open
 ET>> one windowed session, make sure it is not minimized, then
 ET>> doubleclick on the titlebar. The doubleclick on the titlebar
 ET>> saves the 'state' (='minimized' or 'normal' or 'maximized')
 ET>> and the position of the upper left corner, which becomes the
 ET>> new default for all windowed textmode sessions.

 JS> I think you may need to hold down the ALT key when doing this.  I
 JS> prefer to set the MAXIMIZED=YES setting in the object itself.  If you
 JS> have my GETSET.cmd, this is not too hard.  Just look up the ObjectID,
 JS> have GetSet save it to a CMD file to recreate the object, and add the
 JS> MAXIMIZED=YES to the settings, then run the command file.  Works every
 JS> time...  I like to do things the hard way for some reason.:-)

 SD> Could you netmail me that CMD file?  I tried to do that
 SD> click with the ALT key and it's not responding to it.  I'm
 SD> not completely sure HOW I did this of all things. :)

I'll send it to you, but be warned that all objects do not have an objectid. 
If you copy an object or use a template, or something like that, an objectid
is not registered.  The objectid also does not have anything to do with the
title or name of the object either, so you might have to search around a
little to find it, but usually, the objectid is similar to the name, or has
parts of the name in it.  For example, if I wanted to find my INJOY object, I
could search for "injoy" and get this:

               Search Target: injoy (4 Matches Found)
 1 - <INJOYFOLDER>
 2 - <INJOYINFOFOLDER>
 3 - <INJOYPAYFOLDER>
 4 - <OS2C_injoy.cmd>

The first 3 are folder objectid's (obviously) but the 4th is the icon I
created with OS2Commander, and is an ICON that opens a program object on my
desktop that is named oINTERNET.  If I select 4 from this list, and then
select L from the menu, it will list all the settings for that object,
including the location, prog name, title and so on.  If I selected W)rite from 
the menu, it would write out a REXX script that would create that exact same
object, overwriting the original.  You would need to edit that script, and add 
the MAXIMIZED=YES line to the settings, then run the script, and it would
overwrite the object with the new setting, and from then on, it would always
open maximized. 

 If anyone else would like to play with the script, send an email to me at
jbstein@bellatlantic.net.  That way I won't have to look up your address.

The script though is mostly for hard core users, not gamers.  You need to know 
a little bit about OS/2, REXX, editing, and want to learn about objects, not
an easy subject with OS/2.  It's "almost" like secret stuff no one tells you
about.  The interface could be a tad better also, but, it works fine once you
use it a few times.

 SD> --- tty1@afterhours/2 (GoldED/2)

I assume that is where you want it sent?

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Nov-99 19:44:20
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Dave Davidson:

 DD> I'm responding to this in a motel room in Houston, TX., but when I
 DD> get  back home, I'll post the exact information being shown by OS/2's
 DD> FDISK ie;  the Type B partition, the unusual Freespace sizes being
 DD> reported, etc.

 JDBP> The results of FDISK /QUERY and the output of PARTLIST (from
 JDBP> the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0, OS2CLU02.RAR on
 JDBP> Andy's BBS and elsewhere) would probably be the most helpful
 JDBP> to people.

I think he might need OS/2 installed to do that though, but thats just a
guess:-)  I don't know about DOS FDISK, haven't used that thing in 10 years.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Nov-99 20:07:01
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 HG> In a message dated 10-29-99, Jack Stein said to Holger
 HG> Granholm: 

AR>bbs.os2bbs.com or #204.194.180.10  You can get his files via Telnet.

 HG> I'll put it in as a bookmark in NS. Thanks.

JS>Not much reason to put it in NS unless you plan on signing up.  What
JS>you want to do is get MTELNET (free) and telenet into his bbs. 
JS>Really easy to do with Mtel, no vmodem needed, takes about 20
JS>seconds to set up.  Look for: 

JS>MTELB5.ZIP     OS/2/WIN95 Telenet.  Use to Telenet BBS's on the
JS>Internet. (54K)

 HG> Thanks Jack for the hint. If you happen to have e-mail,
 HG> could you please attach it to an e-mail to:
 HG> holgra@alcom.aland.fi

Holger, I'll send it to you, but, if you went to

   http://ftpsearch.ntnu.no

You could locate and D/l the file in seconds.  I use that place a lot to find
files, works rather well.

                                              Jack 
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From: Robert Nieuwenhuis                                03-Nov-99 10:44:19
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

On 2-Nov -99 Andy Roberts wrote to Ian Moote:

 AR>> Although FDISK does not say type "b" is a FAT32 partition, I
 AR>> found a web site that lists what is probably over 100 different
 AR>> partition ID types.

 IM> Would you be so kind as to pass on that URL? That information
 IM> would be handy in my business.

 AR> I lost the URL, but I sent you the file partition_types-1.txt/zip 

I think the URL you are referring to is:
http://www.win.tue.nl/math/dw/personalpages/aeb/linux/
                                     partitions/partition_type s.html#toc1

Greetz, Robert (rnieuw@capitolonline.nl) 
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From: Andy Roberts                                      04-Nov-99 06:39:20
  To: Keith Kottwitz                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Moderator

 Keith Kottwitz,

03-Nov-99 19:54:51, Keith Kottwitz wrote to All
          Subject: Moderator

 KK> I have decided to relinquish the moderator position to the person that
 KK> the users elect for the position.

Sorry to see you go!

 KK> I'll be leaving fidonet as an active node by the end of the year

That's even worse.  How about just taking a Point address?

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Dan Egli                                          04-Nov-99 07:04:13
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Dan Egli <=-


 AR> I would probably be interested in getting a copy from you.  How much $

Say $10US seems fair to me. It will be a couple weeks before I can D/L the
whole archive tho. Now if people want to help me out in this aspect, I can
tell you what I still need to D/L then you tell me what you will get for me
and send to me and I'll take it off my list.

... Go straight to the docs.  Do not pass GO.  Do not collect $200!

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From: Dan Egli                                          04-Nov-99 07:04:13
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Dan Egli <=-

 JdBP>> What I'd really like to see is someone release a CD-ROM (set) of
 JdBP>> the Hobbes FTP site as it is *now*.  Walnut Creek is several years
 JdBP>> out of date and is missing a huge chunk of files.

 DE> As a matter of fact, I was planning on slowly downloading the Hobbes
 DE> archive and burning it to a CD. If people are interested, I may sell
 DE> copies of the burn to those who want them.

 JdBP> How closely will it mirror the directory structure of the FTP site ?

Exact mirror, where \ = /pub/os2


... Have you crashed your Windows today?

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From: Lee Aroner                                        03-Nov-99 07:11:00
  To: Will Honea                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: StarOffice

WH> Lee Aroner wrote to John Angelico on 10-31-1999

LA>    Apparently it changed the assoc for text/html to "Starwriter
LA> HTML 
LA>    Document", which means that you have to individually change each 
LA>    and every object, by hand, back to it's desired type. What a 
LA>    PITA!
LA> 
LA>    You'd think the developers of a program would want to foster 
LA>    goodwill towards their program, instead of p***ing the user 
LA>    off...
WH>  
  > Lee, it's much simpler just to de-register the blasted class.  One
  > shot, you're done.  I mentioned it before, but CLASSMAN (hobbes,
  > others) will walk you thru this in just a minute or so (and let you do
  > it again when you reinstall something else).


   Already done, but thanks for the tip...


                                              LRA


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From: Ian Moote                                         03-Nov-99 23:13:00
  To: DAVE DAVIDSON                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

DD> IM> Be _very_ careful! If you clear the wrong MBR then you're
DD> IM> SNAFU'd. I'll also send you another two utilities to save and
DD> IM> restore your MBR's in case you accidentally do the wrong one.
DD>
DD> Can ya 'splain the snafu'd part?

You kids... [;*)

I could just tell you, but go out and rent the movie "Memphis Belle". 
That'll answer your question, and you'll get to see a fantastic movie as 
an added bonus.


DD> It's my understanding that if the MBR is lost or corrupted, using
DD> FDISK with the /MBR switch, would re-create it. Is this wrong? Not
DD> trying to be a smart a**, I really don't know that much about hard
DD> drive dynamics.

No, I know you're not trying to be a smart alec.

FDISK /MBR is a much-abuse "fix". Many people use it without knowing 
what it does. 

What it does is to re-write the Master Boot Record, ostensibly without 
altering the partition table. The partition table, as you may know, is 
actually _inside_ the MBR, right at the end. If you zero out the MBR on 
the wrong drive, FDISK /MBR might put an MBR back on the drive, but the 
partition table will still be wiped out. You'd have to rebuild the 
partition table by hand.

For what I do I find that I rarely use FDISK /MBR so I forgot about it. 
This may actually be a solution for you in this case. Just for 
curiosity's sake, why not try it before you use that utility which I 
sent to you.


DD> IM> Really! Gee, I'd like to get my hands on this drive for an
DD> IM> afternoon.
DD>
DD> Keep talking like that, and you just might. <g>

[:D

Take care and TTYL.



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From: Ian Moote                                         03-Nov-99 23:13:00
  To: ANDY ROBERTS                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

AR> AR>> While my personal experience with FAT32 is very limited, I
AR> AR>> think that behavior has been reported by others.
AR>
AR> IM> Oh? Interesting.
AR>
AR> I'm probably wrong about that.  I'm getting old and my memory is not
AR> a good as it used to be.  And since I avoid M$ if at all possible, I

No, actually, it appears that you're right about that. I managed to 
track down the URL for that text page that you sent me. I wanted to see 
if there was some other interesting info on that site. Surprisingly, I 
found a reference there to OS/2's FDisk not being able to delete FAT32 
partitions!!

The link was bad, though. It pointed to www.teamos2.com or something 
like that. That server does not appear to exist any longer.

I've got it on my long list of things to look for on the I'net.

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Tony Pater                                        31-Oct-99 12:51:27
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ?

 Excuse me,  know this may sound like a daft question.

 I'm trying to use a beta of ICQ for OS/2 (icq153beta)

 <snip>

  ICQ/2 for OS/2 [BETA VERSION 1.503i]

ICQ/2 is a ICQ client for OS/2 that finally provides
a full 32 bit multithreaded OS/2 PM application
without the complexity of IRC and the limitations
of other chat tools. ICQ/2 lets you find friends or
colleagues online and exchange messages or chat
with them in real time all the while letting you
see who's online at a glance. It's compatibility with
any other operating system's ICQ software clients
allowsyou to both send and receive messages or
chat with any of your friends, coworkers or
colleagues.

 <snip>

 However, when I've logged into ICQ homepage to 'register'
 (and obtain an ID number), I can't see any procedure to
 do so.

 The author of the programme (ICQ/2) apparently has received
 a lot of email from erstwhile users asking how to obtain
 an ID etc .. (so that testers and/or those trying out his
 programme), but he declines to answer as he's pre-occupied 
 the design etc and hasn't the time to answer innumerable
 quests for help on this subject..... understandably.

 Could someone in the forum therefore, assist me in the
 procedure :
  
   How does one obtain an ID ?

   Does one need to register with ICQ homepage in order
   to 'use' ICQ programmes (of whatever OS) ?


 FWI .... I need to use ICQ to talk directly with
 some leute in Tainan, Taiwan, and China/Japan; oddly
 they would like to discuss the possibilities of using
 OS/2 !

 Thanks
 Tony
 Sydney, Oz
 Sun 10-31-1999


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From: Dave Davidson                                     03-Nov-99 18:36:05
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Garth,

01-Nov-99 19:10:25, Garth Ramsay wrote to Dave Davidson
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32
 GR> 31-Oct-99 14:46:41, Dave Davidson wrote to Ian Moote Subject: M$
 GR> "screw you" FAT32

 DD>> Well, maybe.... The machine I'm attempting to install OS/2 on is
 DD>> an AMD K6/2-350, PC-100 MB, Award PnP Bios (with the latest flash

 GR> Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's....

 GR> HA HA, HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

 GR> OOP's....

 GR> Did I say that out loud?????

 See what happens when ya don't turn the mike off before cursing....<g>

 Gotta be more careful Garth....

 OS/2 Warp 4 installed fine on my other AMD K6/2  machine, but not on the
 one in question. Anyway, I don't think that's the problem. We'll find out
 when I get home this weekend.


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com
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From: Dave Davidson                                     03-Nov-99 18:48:11
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Jonathan,

31-Oct-99 14:21:42, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Dave Davidson
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 DD>> I'm responding to this in a motel room in Houston, TX., but when
 DD>> I get  back home, I'll post the exact information being shown by
 DD>> OS/2's FDISK ie;  the Type B partition, the unusual Freespace
 DD>> sizes being reported, etc.

 JdBP> The results of FDISK /QUERY and the output of PARTLIST (from the
 JdBP> OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0, OS2CLU02.RAR on Andy's
 JdBP> BBS and elsewhere) would probably be the most helpful to people

 Andy sent that to me, and it's on my list of things to try when I get
 home. If all else fails, I _can_ install OS/2 on my other machine, as it
 was on it previously.

 Thanks for your help.


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com

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From: Dave Davidson                                     03-Nov-99 18:58:27
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

Hiya Holger,

02-Nov-99 20:37:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Dan Egli
          Subject: Hobbes CD-ROM
 HG> In a message dated 10-31-99, Dan Egli said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> DE>All the "BBS READY" CD-Roms I've seen come with each diectory
 HG> DE>containing a files.bbs for the files. files.bbs is the most
 HG> common DE>denominator for BBS file bases, so I think that would be
 HG> sufficent.

 HG> You ain't seen much then!  None of the ten CD's from Walnut Creek
 HG> has a FILES.BBS.

 Before I closed down my Wildcat BBS, I had over 60 CD's that were swapped
 between Online/Offline, all of which, had a FILES.BBS in each directory.
 They included the Night Owl, SoftwareVault and Pier series, plus several
 others.

 Hope this helps.


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com

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From: Andy Roberts                                      04-Nov-99 10:32:04
  To: Will Honea                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

 Will Honea,

03-Nov-99 21:10:02, Will Honea wrote to Andy Roberts
 WH> Andy Roberts wrote to Holger Granholm on 11-03-1999
          Subject: An Inquiring Mind

 AR>> VModem does not need a full time connection to your ISP.  VModem
 AR>> does require that you establish your temporary dial up connection
 AR>> to your ISP before loading.  It gets a TCP/IP stack ID#, like any
 AR>> other Internet client thread. VModem also needs to have the
 AR>> Internet port assigned.

 WH> Not exactly, Andy.  I use Vmodem here such that it triggers Injoy
 WH> on demand.  It does not require a connection before loading, just
 WH> that tcp/ip be up and running.

You're right.  I knew that long ago and forgot about it.  User memory failure.

 WH> By default it uses the 'well-known' telnet port ( 23 ) but you can
 WH> assign it to any port you want via command line parms.  I run it on port
 WH> 60 which is defined to be 'user defined' to avoid conflicts with
 WH> telnetd. That lets me have port 23 available full time (and
 WH> simutaneously active with Vmodem) for incoming telnet. I can have
 WH> several telnet sessions and Vmodem all going at once.

Interesting.  With that setup I could leave the Telnet node on the BBS active
and still use VModem on another port for outbound at the same time.

 WH> Like you, I assign it an SIO port that is out of the way but I don't
 WH> assign the virtual interrupt since I never use it with DOS programs
 WH> anyway.

Terminate and it's TerMail are about the only DOS prgms I still use.  I figure
since I'm beginning to forget things I once knew faster than I can learn new
things, my learning curve would be too steep to change unless I set aside some
time when I'm not trying to do so many other things.

Thanks for correcting my misinformation.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     02-Nov-99 20:34:28
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Warp 3 install

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Andy Roberts:

 HG> I agree, $6 is acceptable (so would even $9 as Walnut Creek
 HG> charged) for S/H but I heard from Russell Tiedt i South Africa that
 HG> it had become much more expensive than that.

 HG> That's why I said that they would probably charge me the maximum.
 HG> There wasn't any mention on the web page that you could choose the
 HG> way it would be delivered.

I don't clearly remeber what they asked for overseas shipping and handling
but vaguely remember a sum of $25 (US) at this stage I can't say if that
included the $9.50 for the CD-ROM or not, InfoMagic asks $15 (US) for postage
and packaging, if you oder from them (6 weeks delivery).

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     02-Nov-99 21:11:15
  To: Will Honea                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Network

Will Honea wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 WH> I'll answer, despite the last bit...  Warp Connect has full
 WH> Peer-to-Peer facilities (Peer server, Lan requester, plus full
 WH> protocol and transport facilities).  It will network quite well
 WH> with other Warp Connect (and later OS/2) installations, windows for
 WH> Workgruops, Win9x, and NT Workstation in Peer nets.  It is also
 WH> capable of full participation on most (there are some odd-balls)
 WH> LANS - be they OS/2, NT, or *Nix and/or internet.  AFAIAA,
 WH> Lantastic fits into the 'odd-ball' category.

Somewhere I lack "understanding" as I have not yet got my Warp Connect to
talk to WIN95/98/ or WINNT 4.0. Not that I have tried to hard lately, no time. 
:-((

Go well,

Russell 

PS. not to mention Linux. :-))

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From: Lee Aroner                                        03-Nov-99 18:28:00
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar                          07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: File Systems

 LE> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware. Netware
 LE> creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access such files.
 LE> The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor "settable"
 LE> (at least in my version of Netware). 

JdBP> I disagree.  The better way to fix this problem would be for OS/2's VDM 
    > kernel and the VDOS VDD to support the new DOS API calls 
    > that were created for MS-DOS version 7.  They mirror 
    > various existing DOS API calls, such as "open file", but 
    > allow the use of long filenames as parameters.


   I gotta agree with this. In fact, was thinking yesterday about 
   how it should be possible to create an IFS to do just this for 
   DOS and Win apps...

                                       LRA


 -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: Maybe if I reversed the polarity of the neutron flow...

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From: John Angelico                                     02-Nov-99 23:13:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Network DOS to OS/2

On 31/10/1999, Roy J. Tellason said to Peter Knapper about Network (DOS to
OS/2):

RT> I don't know about that...       :-)
RT> 
RT>  PK> It was a free-bee that allowed DOS machines to connect to a 
RT>  PK> Windows Netbios environment, but because the Windows 
RT>  PK> environment is an SMB environment, just about any SMB 
RT>  PK> environmentt can inter-connect using the Dos Requestor package. 
RT>  PK> SMB environments include OS/2 Peer, *nix SAMBA, etc, so you 
RT>  PK> should be able to get something working.
RT> 
RT> I got a couple of different packages from m$,  and could't 
RT> get either one of them working here.  Which is why this 
RT> (dos/dv) box is the least connected of the four machines 
RT> sitting here...
RT> 
RT> If it weren't for ncsa telnet's ftp software,  it wouldn't 
RT> be connecting at all.  And I somehow managed to break that 
RT> a while back.
RT> 
Either of you have DevCon or TechCon CDs? I heard (from a reliable source)
that a free DOS NETBIOS Requester from IBM was available somewhere there.
 
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Nov-99 09:17:14
  To: Jack Pfisterer                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: NumLock

Hello Jack,

01 Nov 99 06:30, Jack Pfisterer wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> Numlock should be ON, that's my opinion. I don't need two sets
ET>> of keys for cursor movement.

JP> I quite agree.  The only reason I can imagine for IBM choosing the
JP> opposite default is their obsession with backward compatibility:
JP> This keeps all those XT keyboards working properly :)

Specially because OS/2 doens't run on XT's.

JP> Still don't understand why they have never at least allowed users an
JP> option.

I agree. :)

JP> Just looked around and was pleasantly surprised to find it on Hobbes
JP> in PUB\OS2\UTIL\SYSTEM  It's slightly newer (1995) than my 1994
JP> version.

OK, thanks. I'll download it from there.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Nov-99 10:30:16
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: File Systems

Hello Linda,

29 Oct 99 13:40, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson:

 LP> -=> Greetings,

 LP>    John Thompson wrote to Peter Knapper <=-

JT>> vfat_003.zip     184595 1998/02/09  Win'95 VFAT IFS for OS/2

I never used this one, maybe you can find it on Hobbes or on OS2BBS

JT>> os2fat32.zip     190408 1999/03/23  FAT32.IFS for OS/2 version 0.88

http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html

I used the os2fat32 driver once a few years ago to copy files from a
FAT32-partition to a HPFS-partition, normally I don't use it, since I don't
have FAT32 partitions myself.

LP> Where did these come from?  For both warps?  Where to get?  Part of
LP> Fixpaks?

they are not part of OS/2.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Nov-99 11:54:27
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Questions Again ,-)

Hello Linda,

29 Oct 99 12:02, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> A soundcard is a much better choice. There are cheap soundcards
ET>> that are supported under OS/2.

LP> But what if one doesn't really want/need one.

That's (ofcourse) entirely up to you.

LP> Lots of hardware space for a few beeps when a program starts, etc.

But you asked a driver to play waves and other sounds through the speaker, and 
that are more than beeps. Therefore my answer that a supported soundcard is
the best way to go.

If you only want beeps, the speaker is fine. If you want more, my advice: use
a soundcard.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Nov-99 11:56:16
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Hello Jack,

30 Oct 99 17:14, Jack Stein wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> autoexec.bat is solely used by the DOS environment,
ET>> startup.cmd fulfills that role in the OS/2 environment.

JS> Also, you don't need all the same settings in the OS/2 DOS startup
JS> file.  For example, you don't need or want any of the sound card
JS> settings in there, OS/2 handles that for it's DOS sessions.

Just the DOS environment variables for the soundcard (if wanted), for some DOS 
programs (games) that use those DOS environment variables.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Nov-99 11:57:13
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Weird windows...

Hello Holger,

31 Oct 99 12:33, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> session, make sure it is not minimized, then doubleclick on the
ET>> titlebar. The doubleclick on the titlebar saves the 'state'
ET>> (='minimized' or 'normal' or 'maximized') and the position of the
ET>> upper left corner, which becomes the new default for all windowed
ET>> textmode sessions.

HG> Thanks, saved it in case I would ever need it. Neat trick!

I forget if it's just the doubleclick or the doubleclick while the shift or
the alt key is pressed. But it's easy to try an other if one doesn't work.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Peter Knapper                                     05-Nov-99 09:54:19
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hi Jack,

 JS> I am having a difficult time believing that FDISK recognized you had a 
 JS> type B partition, yet refuses to delete the partition.  

I have followed this thread in the background until now, however a past
experience of mine MANY YEARS AGO was very similar and may provide a clue. In
my case it was with SCSI Host Adapters and drives, but there are strong
similarities to the problem here. In all cases I was using OS/2 FDISK, because 
my DOS FDISK was V3.3 (I told you it was a long time ago......;-)) and it
would not touch HPFS partitions...

After moving a drive from one SCSI HA (an Adaptec 1540) to another (a Future
Domain), it ran fine as it was set up, but eventually I needed to re-partition 
the drive, and this is when my hassles started. I could run OS/2 FDISK and
remove the partitions, even save the changes, but upon system restart ALL
ORIGINAL partitions were still there exactly as they had been defined. It was
as though the partition table was write protected, the rest of the disk could
be written no problem...

Eventually I tried another HD and that had the EXACT same problem, so I then
went back to using the Adaptec HA and that worked fine for partition table
changes. Back on the FD HA I could still not WRITE a partition table. 

After much playing around I discoverd that the issue related to a strapping on 
the Adaptec that enabled LARGE drive support for booting under DOS. From
memory, I think this changed the way the SCSI HA mapped the drive from 16
sectors, 16 heads/cyl to 64 sectors, 32 heads/cyl. By setting it back to the
OLD value (16/16) the partition table could be written on BOTH HA's... 

The sequence of events was that I had changed the Adaptec HA from the OLD head 
mapping scheme to the NEW mapping scheme without re-writing the partition
table, but this apparently did not worry the Adaptec, it was able to handle
the situation. The down side is that it caused real problems for the FD when
WRITING to the partition table of the drive, but it could still read it! Of
course with OS/2, once the drivers were loaded the BIOS was never used again,
so the partition data areas were able to be addressed fine for reading... Once 
I cleared all partition info using the OLD mapping scheme, changed the Adaptec 
back to the NEW scheme, wrote a NEW partition table, then BOTH HA's were happy 
with writing the partition table again...

This may be a rather long shot, but I wonder if it is possible that the drive
partition was created with LBA turned off (or on), but subsequently LBA has
been turned on (or off) and the partitions changed again. How about reversing
the LBA state and trying to partition it again...

I hope some of this helps.........pk.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      04-Nov-99 13:10:28
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Install question

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> Stop worrying Linda and get it done!

Trust me.  It's in the works <RBG>  Just a few things to put together.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      04-Nov-99 13:39:10
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 JS> Make sure you work out your drive partitions as carefully as possible.
 JS> Do it on paper and give it a lot of thought, possibly post your
 JS> thoughts here as you will get a lot of opinions on how to partition.

Have 2 hard drives setup as follows:

C - 1G
D - 1G
E,F,G - 500 MB
H - 1G
I - 1G
J - 500 MB set up with a double space drive for temp files & single use
files, eg Win installs.

Plan to install Warp on D & have E & possibly H as HPSF drives for OS/2
only use programs as such as Win programs & leave the rest for DOS
stuff. Am considering uninstalling the double space but it is good for
DOS program temp files.

Right now all Win related programs are on E & F.  G has my BBS related
stuff, C all DOS/computer utilities/drivers. D editors, games, & misc.
stuff.

Not planning to run any Win9X & if I ever do still have I partition as
potential for that use.

 JS> megs total, you don't even need LBA addressing for your large drives.

What is LBA?

 JS> the stuff on it I needed, no back-up was necessary.  That's the easiset
 JS> thing to do, and you get a nice new drive out of the deal:-)

Not possible at this time. <G>

So what do folk think?



Anon,

Linda

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From: Stewart Buckingham                                05-Nov-99 06:39:24
  To: Dan Egli                                          07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

Hi Dan,

> -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Dan Egli <=-

>> I would probably be interested in getting a copy from you.  How much $

> Say $10US seems fair to me. It will be a couple weeks before I can D/L the

Hobbes is about 3GB in size. That's about 5 CD's (if my math is correct). Not
bad for $10! I'd be interested in that deal also.

Stu/2

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From: Bat Lang                                          04-Nov-99 17:35:17
  To: John Thompson                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Msg Reader

 -=> Quoting John Thompson to Bat Lang, [02 Nov 99  15:38:00] <=-

 BL> I've been using BlueWave (BW) for DOS for years. It works fine in a VDM
 BL> also, which is where I am right now, responding to your msg. I also have
 BL> the OS/2 version, but prefer to work in my DOS 'element', doing the BBS
 BL> calling with my DOS comm pgm, and OLR with BW. The Y2K outlook for BW is
 BL> not too bad for the BW format, so long as the linked BBS runs a Y2K
 BL> compatible BW door.

 JT> So what is the extent of the y2k problem with respect to QWK?  Is
 JT> it only that my messages will be seen as posted in 1900 instead
 JT> of 2000?

It is my understanding that the installation of a =fix= on your end will
take care of the BW QWK problem for YOUR msgs. That fix is:

BWRF062.ZIP   37,155  99-10-23  BWREPFIX .62 make BlueWave .QWK OK for Y2K

It was distributed recently via the Filebone, UTILNET FDN. You should be
able to find it on any BBS that caters to DOS utils, as that FDN is one
of the important distr's of DOS utils. If you find yourself with no
other source, my Origin below has it:

> Available from the friendliest Sysop west of the MS, Gary Crain.
> Freq or 1st time dnld, two nodes:
> 1:382/92, 1-512-303-1324, Motorola V.34
> 1:382/88, 1-512-303-2151, USR V.Ev,
> Both Closed 03-0500 Central Std time.
> Recommend you use the above BASENAME.*  <<======<<<<

Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Jan Danielsson                                    04-Nov-99 14:59:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Question Again

 LP> What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe
 LP> file? 

There are two kinds of cmd-files.

1) command-scripts (in dos and windows you know these as .bat files)

--[test.cmd]---------
@echo off

mode 132,60

dir d:\*.dll /s /b > r:\all_dlls.list

pkzip /add /silence r:\dll_list r:\all_dlls.list
---------------------


2) rexx-scripts

If a .cmd-file starts with a 'rexx comment' it will be handled by the rexx
processor in OS/2.

--[test.cmd]--------
/* This is the rexx comment needed for OS/2 to understand that this is rexx */

say 'Hello'
--------------------


   Rexx is very powerful, please visit the echo os2rexx if you wish to learn
more about what you can do with it.


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From: Gord Hannah                                       04-Nov-99 21:09:21
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Replying to a message from Garth Ramsay 1:109/921.16 to Dave Davidson,

About M$ "screw you" FAT32, On Mon Nov 01 1999

GR>   Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's....
GR>   HA HA, HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
GR>  OOP's....
GR>  Did I say that out loud?????

You sure did so too Garth, I am running a K6/2 300 here with no problems so
far.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Gord Hannah                                       04-Nov-99 21:11:20
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Replying to a message from Andy Roberts 1:109/921.1 to Garth Ramsay,

About M$ "screw you" FAT32, On Wed Nov 03 1999


AR> IIRC Dave got that K6/2-350 hoping to get WinXX to run as fast as
AR> OS/2 does on his 486.  <gd&r>  

How to turn a Cray into a 286 just add windows..<grin>
The solution is quite simple format c: /u /autotest, works every time.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   04-Nov-99 21:49:14
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Get Going

Jack Stein wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 JS> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Murray Lesser:

 ML> strange results.  Assume that you are going to repartition and
 ML> reinstall a few times during the learning process, so don't worry
 ML> too much about getting it right the first time.  It is fairly
 ML> hard to do any real damage under OS/2, especially if you avoid
 ML> "DEL *.*" commands and keep good backups <VBG>.

 LP> Oh God!  I hope not.  I don't mind tweaking bit I really
 LP> don't want to install more than once. 

 JS> The important thing is to install your operating systems on 
 JS> small partitions. 

This is a good point!

 JS> No need to backup up much of your operating system, as it is 
 JS> already backed up on your install disks.  Once you get a fancy 
 JS> desktop that you like (sometimes never happens) then, you can 
 JS> back up you ini files.  I personally never had to re-install 
 JS> OS/2 and I've been running it since the October beta in 1991 I 
 JS> believe it was.

I believe I had to re-install once,  and that was only after some *serious*
messing around,  it took a lot to trash it...

Lots of stuff that you ordinarily just wouldn't *do*.  <g>

 JS> Make sure you work out your drive partitions as carefully as 
 JS> possible.  Do it on paper and give it a lot of thought, 
 JS> possibly post your thoughts here as you will get a lot of 
 JS> opinions on how to partition.

Here's a couple of thoughts:  I like to keep the OS,  application programs, 
and data separate from each other.

<...>

 JS> My recommendation is create 3 boot partitions, around 150 - 300 
 JS> megs each (I run WARP 3 and WARP 3 connect in 150 meg 
 JS> partitions with plenty of room to spare, and WIN95 in a 200 meg 
 JS> partition, with plenty of room to spare) Make two of them HPFS 
 JS> and install OS2 on them, or linux on one, and WIN95 on a FAT 
 JS> partition.  If you keep them all within 504 megs total, you 
 JS> don't even need LBA addressing for your large drives.  (I run a 
 JS> 5 gig drive, and no disk mangler, no LBA addressing available 
 JS> on this machine)

FWIW,  I have at least three boot partitions (on 2 machines) that are around
80-85 megs each.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   04-Nov-99 21:53:24
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Network

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> I was looking for brand/model,  actually.

 LP> Sorry, can't remember off hand, but believe it's an adaptek 
 LP> (sp). 

Ok.

 LP> What Lantastic will run on.  Have an older version of it.

 RJT> Well,  I hope it's not some of the proprietary stuff they pushed for a
 RJT> while...

 LP> No.  It will run on any good card.

What I meant there was that Artisoft was pushing their own cards,  which I
don't think are as easy to use (if indeed they are usable at all) with other
networking software.

Sounds like you're okay,  though.

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From: Stephen Haffly                                    04-Nov-99 08:10:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

On (31 Oct 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea...

Hi Linda,

 WH> still wanting HPFS386, be forewarned that recovery of drives with
 WH> HPFS386 installed is very dicey - ranging from a real PITA to
 WH> impossible!

 LP> Is this different from HPFS?

Yes.  HPFS386 is a server specific version that has a lot in common with
HPFS, but adds things for security purposes.  I don't know all the
differences, but HPFS386 is meant for servers, not clients, and is
priced by IBM accordingly.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

... OS/2 Warp: Taking the wind out of Windows.

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From: Stephen Haffly                                    04-Nov-99 08:15:25
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: File Systems

On (28 Oct 99) Leonard Erickson wrote to Peter Knapper...

Hi Leonard,

 LE> At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95 style
 LE> long file names.

 PK> NO!!! We certainly DONT want a kludge like that thank-you!

 LE> Admittedly, it's a kludge. But it's also *common*, which means we need
 LE> to be able to import and export it.

 LE> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware. Netware
 LE> creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access such files.
 LE> The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor "settable" (at
 LE> least in my version of Netware).

 LE> By "settable", I mean that I can't assign a *specific* 8.3 name to a
 LE> file *and* keep the long name. Something like the Unix trick of
 LE> pointing multiple directory entries at the same name would be the best
 LE> answer. I forget what the Unix command is.

Personally, I like the GEOS (Geoworks Ensemble 2.x or New Deal Office)
way of doing long/short filenames better.  It uses the first 8 letters,
with an underscore substituted for spaces, and then uses a numerically
incremented suffix to differentiate. Either way, the files remain
accessable from within GEOS or DOS or any other OS out there.  The same
is done for directory names, so directories are also visible.

An example is a document called Christmas Letter 1997 and Christmas
Letter 1998.  These would be called CHRISTMA.000 and CHRISTMA.001,
repectively.  A directory called My Documents would be called
MY_DOCUM.000.

This behaviour is predictable.  Admittedly, one cannot always tell which
document is which, but from within the GEOS environment, one can pull up
the file properties and see what the DOS filename for the file/directory
is.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

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From: John Thompson                                     04-Nov-99 20:59:00
  To: Francois Thunus                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: DAT

In a message to All, Francois Thunus wrote re: DAT

FT> I have to replace the old DAT by something else. ANybody has an idea of a
nice
FT> hardware/software combo that runs under OS/2 ? Additionnal OSes are
definitely
FT> a plus, including DOS, NT and Linux.

"BackAgain/2" has worked well for me in OS/2.  There is a Windows
NT version also but I am not aware of a DOS or linux version.
That said, I do use BA/2 to back up and restore my Win95
partition and it works fine (albiet some special handling
necessary to preserve the vfat long filenames).

"tar" is available for all the platforms you mention (DOS, OS/2, 
NT and linux) but I am not sure of appropriate tape drive support
under DOS or NT.   In OS/2 you can use the "gtak/gtar" package 
with an SCSI tape unit and the tapes will be fullt readable under
linux.  In linux itself tape drive support (SCSI, IDE, floppy-
based) comes with the kernel sources; you just have to configure 
it in when you compile a kernel.  Best of all, "tar" is free and 
quite versatile, but it is not the easiest program to learn to 
use.


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From: John Thompson                                     04-Nov-99 20:59:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: File Systems

In a message to Eddy Thilleman, Murray Lesser wrote re: File Systems

ML> When you copy (or move) the
ML> FAT file to an HPFS partition (using WPS), the original long name will
ML> be restored.

...And if you use 4OS2 instead of CMD.EXE, copying or moving 
files to and from FAT partitions from the command line also 
preserves and restores the long filename in the .longname 
extended attribute.


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From: John Thompson                                     04-Nov-99 20:59:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Network

In a message to Cyrill Vakhneyev, Linda Proulx wrote re: Network

CV>     Of course. Parallel Port Adapter in MPTS.
                                              ^^^^?
LP> And this means?

It's a driver that allows a bi-directional parallel port to 
emulate a network card so you can run a (slow) network 
connection through the parallel port.


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From: John Thompson                                     04-Nov-99 20:59:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message to Jack Stein, Holger Granholm wrote re: Warp 3 install

AR> I was looking for a quick way to add blank spaces for a left
AR> margin.
 
JS>I use GAWK or SED.  
 
JS>GAWK '{print "   "$0}' file.txt >lpt1  

        [clip...]

JS>Look for:
JS>GAWK304D.ZIP   GAWK Documentation (926K)
JS>GAWK304X.ZIP   GAWK Text Processing Language for OS/2, DOS and
JS>WIN32. (435K)
 
HG> Ouch what a space filler on the HD.

Yes, if all you're going to use gawk for is to add a few spaces 
to each line before you print.  But gawk is much more versatile 
than that, and worth having around for a variety of reasons 
despite the space it occupies.  

Or, you could just get "perl" and do away with both "sed" and 
"gawk..."


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From: John Thompson                                     04-Nov-99 20:59:00
  To: Jaap Van.Veen                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: WinOS2 with Warp v3

In a message to Albert Sodyl, Jaap van.Veen wrote re: WinOS2 with Warp v3

AS> Can the Warp v3 Red Box use the winos2 that came with OS/2 2.1?  Or
AS> do I have go and buy windows for work groups or windows 3.1?
 
Jv> To my opinion this must be possible. 

Available on hobbes.nmsu.edu:

winstall.zip       8632 1995/07/14  Install OS/2 v2.1 WIN-OS/2 
                                         on Warp v3


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From: John Thompson                                     04-Nov-99 20:59:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message to Murray Lesser, Holger Granholm wrote re: An Inquiring Mind

ML>    VMODEM is part of the SIO package.  It acts as both telnet
ML>client and telnet server, so you can both download and upload files
ML>through it.
 
HG> Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but I
HG> think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use VModem.
HG> I connect with modem.

No.  All vmodem does is create a virtual modem between your comm 
program and the network.  It will respond to modem commands from 
the terminal program with modem-like responses; eg "AT" will 
return an "OK" etc. If you tell vmodem to "dial" (ATDT) an 
internet domain address, vmodem will parse the address out of the
command and pass it along to be resolved into an ip address and
if/when the remote site accepts the connection, vmodem will pass
the appropriate modem-like "CONNECT" response back to the
terminal program.  As far as the terminal program is concerned it
may as well be talking to a real modem.  It doesn't matter at all
whether you have a permanent or intermittent connection to the
internet, although people running BBS's find vmodem particularly
handy because it allows their serial-modem based BBS software to
transparently work over a tcp/ip network connection.  But it
works just as well from the client side.



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From: George White                                      02-Nov-99 07:40:21
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Network

Hi Linda,

On 31-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to Peter Knapper:

 PK>> You really want to do it the hard way dont you.....;-) OS/2 Warp

 LP> What can I say.  The old unit will not be able to run OS/2.  The
 LP> bios is too old.

???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?
Some of my machines running OS.2 have very old BIOSes (before LBA).
Anyway, OS/2 only normally uses the MB BIOS during initial loading to
access the hard disks. During the load sequence it replaces the real
mode MB BIOS with a protected mode BIOS (it's called ABIOS by IBM).

 PK>> using the Dos Requestor package. SMB environments include OS/2
 PK>> Peer, *nix SAMBA, etc, so you should be able to get something
 PK>> working.

 LP> Any chance of making this work with a laplink type of connection?

Nope, not that I'm aware of :-(. The only civilised way to network
computers is using Ethernet (cheapest) or Token Ring.

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From: George White                                      02-Nov-99 07:47:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Swap Question

Hi Linda,

On 31-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to George White:

 GW>> The ideal situation if you have a smallish old drive is to use it
 GW>> as a dedicated swap drive.

 LP> Have a 3+ & a 2+ G drives.  Won't work like that.  Planning to use
 LP> 2 1G partitions for the OS & it's programs.  Would a 500 mb
 LP> partition be too big, too small?  I have a 500 mb partition &
 LP> could use that maybe.  FAT or HPFS better?

If the drives are partitioned then go with the "Most used partition on
the least used drive" rule. A dedicated partition is not as effective.


George

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From: George White                                      02-Nov-99 07:50:28
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: OS/2 Backup Program

Hi Linda,

On 31-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea:

 WH>> still wanting HPFS386, be forewarned that recovery of drives with
 WH>> HPFS386 installed is very dicey - ranging from a real PITA to
 WH>> impossible!

 LP> Is this different from HPFS?

Yes, and it is _only_ supplied with the server versions of OS/2. I
consider it best avoided unless you are running OS/2 server although
it can be used with the client version with some fiddling.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Nov-99 20:55:03
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: 2.1

 RN> After disk 4 you reinsert the disks installation and one
 RN> before continuing with the rest.
 RN> I wondered why the disk images weren't stored in a temp directory to 
 RN> avoid this?

Because OS/2 only reaches the stage where it is executing user-mode programs,
such as SYSINST*.EXE, several floppy discs into the whole process.

The installation program is just an ordinary native OS/2 program.  The loading 
of the operating system kernel *itself*, and of all of the the BASEDEV base
device drivers that are loaded (just in case), is split over two discs.  It is 
only by the time that one has reached the second disc that the operating
system is properly up and running and executing application programs.  It is
*then* that the installation program is in control.  But by that time it is
too late to have made copies of the installation floppy disc when it was
inserted.  Indeed, when the installation floppy disc is in the drive, not
enough of the operating system is actually loaded for application programs,
supposing that they could run at that point, to properly see any hard discs
*at all*, so one couldn't make temporary disc images even if one wanted to.  

This is aside from the fact that the user doesn't select a destination disc
drive until the installation program has run and displayed several prompts,
which happens well after the installation floppy has been inserted and then
removed; and that there may not even *be* a destination disc drive at all
since the hard disc may be blank, requiring FDISK to be run first and the
installation procedure to then be restarted from the beginning.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Nov-99 21:09:17
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Why to use FAT instead of HPFS

 JS> Speaking of drives, is there anyway to fix a HDD controller on a
 JS> drive?  I have a Seagate 2 gig drive that lost its controller,
 JS> whatever that is.  Thats the first HD failure I've had since around
 JS> 1985 when my 10 meg "winchester" drive failed...  I've run all WD
 JS> drives though, had very good luck with those suckers.  Had to put my
 JS> WD 400MeB drive back in that already has 8 years of 24/7 service
 JS> under it's belt.  The used Seagate that died has to be newer than the
 JS> WD that I had to replace it with, probably has a hell of a lot less
 JS> hours on it too.  

Without knowing the exact details of what "lost its controller" means, I
couldn't tell you.

I doubt that you'd be able to find replacements for the integrated drive
electronics on the drive unit itself, if those are indeed what failed, without 
coming to some special arrangement with the manufacturer.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Nov-99 21:13:14
  To: Dan Egli                                          07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 JdBP>> If you need them, I have a suite of REXX scripts that will download
 JdBP>> the Hobbes 00GLOBAL.TXT file, convert it into the appropriate
 JdBP>> FILES.BBS files in the appropriate subdirectories, and then
 JdBP>> convert the FILES.BBS files into attached ".SUBJECT" extended
 JdBP>> attributes attached to each file and directory in order to yield
 JdBP>> descriptions for them in 4OS2 and the file objects' properties
 JdBP>> notebooks in the Workplace Shell.

 DE> Sounds good!

 JdBP>> I've posted two of the scripts in the OS2REXX echo in the past.

 DE> I'm going to have to grab them. :>

If they have scrolled off your OS2REXX messagebase, let me know in that echo
and I'll re-post them.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         03-Nov-99 10:00:11
  To: Dave Davidson                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 IM>> Be _very_ careful! If you clear the wrong MBR then you're SNAFU'd.
 IM>> I'll also send you another two utilities to save and restore your
 IM>> MBR's in case you accidentally do the wrong one.

 DD> Can ya 'splain the snafu'd part? It's my understanding that if the
 DD> MBR is  lost or corrupted, using FDISK with the /MBR switch, would
 DD> re-create it.  Is this wrong? Not trying to be a smart a**, I really
 DD> don't know that much  about hard drive dynamics.

FDISK /MBR will rewrite the primary MBR, but will leave the *existing*
partition records (of which there are four in the primary MBR, each defining a 
primary partition) unchanged.  Essentially it reads the primary MBR from disc
into memory, changes everything *apart* from the partition information, and
then writes it back to disc again.

The /MBR switch to FDISK is for use in situations where the bootstrap code
contained in the primary MBR has been corrupted (by an MBR virus) or is blank
(such as is the case with a new blank hard disc).  It specifically *isn't* a
tool for repairing the partition table.

So if you zap your primary MBR with a low-level disc editing tool, or a "low
level format" utility, FDISK /MBR will *not* resurrect your partition table
entries.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         03-Nov-99 10:07:13
  To: Dave Davidson                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 DD> When the last partition (the Type B) is deleted, ALL the options in
 DD> FDISK is greyed out. "Create partition" and "Install Boot Manager"
 DD> is not an available option.

In which case:
         Exit FDISK, saving your changes of course;
         Immediately reboot from the installation floppies;
         Exit to the command line with F3 at the earliest opportunity;
         Run FDISK /QUERY capturing its output to file;
         Run PARTLIST capturing its output to file;
         Post both outputs here.

I'm interested to know how this type 0B partition is reincarnating itself
after FDISK has claimed to have deleted it.  So the raw contents of your
partition table, as reported by PARTLIST, and the way that your raw partition
table is interpreted, as reported by FDISK /QUERY, are of interest.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         03-Nov-99 10:27:29
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 AR> I really like the OS2REXX echo, but I haven't had time to keep up
 AR> reading since last Spring.  You mentioned "a suite of REXX scripts"
 AR> which implies several.  

Three:

        [C:\Archives\os2]dir *.cmd

         Volume in drive C is WARP           Serial number is 6C01:AB46
         Directory of  C:\Archives\os2\*.cmd

        18-09-98  17:05           2,773          21  convert_description.cmd
        11-03-98  16:22           2,322       7,275  convert_global.cmd
        20-11-97  17:51           1,345       3,343  get_00global.cmd
                  6,440 bytes in 3 files and 0 dirs    7,168 bytes allocated
          3,185,143,296 bytes free

 AR> So would you please send me what you can, a save me some time searching?

I'll post them again in the OS2REXX echo.

  JdeBP 

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From: Dan Egli                                          05-Nov-99 07:43:13
  To: Tony Pater                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ?

 -=> Quoting Tony Pater to All <=-

 TP> Excuse me,  know this may sound like a daft question.

 TP> I'm trying to use a beta of ICQ for OS/2 (icq153beta)
 TP> How does one obtain an ID ?

through the program itself. When you set it up and load for the 1st time,
it asks for your ID. You tell it you don't have one and it starts to regsiter
you.
 TP> Does one need to register with ICQ homepage in order
 TP> to 'use' ICQ programmes (of whatever OS) ?
Homepage? No. Network? Yes.


... If you can't fix it, sell it as a feature.

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From: Ian Moote                                         05-Nov-99 10:31:00
  To: DAVE DAVIDSON                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

PK> I could run OS/2 FDISK and remove the partitions, even save
PK> the changes, but upon system restart ALL ORIGINAL partitions were
PK> still there exactly as they had been defined. It was as though the
PK> partition table was write protected, the rest of the disk could be
PK> written no problem...

Hey -- I don't suppose you have the boot sector virus detection turned 
on in your BIOS, do you?

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Daniela Engert                                    03-Nov-99 19:26:08
  To: Bob Wright                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hi Bob!

Thus quoth Bob Wright to Daniela Engert:

 DE>> Now I *can* run the Win32 version of Solitaire from WinNT4 on OS/2 again

 BW> OK, I won't tell... but there is a 32 bit native OS/2 Solitaire game
that's every bit as good
 BW> as the WinXX one...

Sure, I know. But at my age old habits won't change.

bye, Dani

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From: Mike Roark                                        04-Nov-99 20:37:27
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Question Again

Hello Linda!

Wednesday November 03 1999 13:35, Linda Proulx wrote to All:


 LP> What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe file?

A .cmd file is OS/2 answer to a batchfile. Many times, you can rename your BBS 
bat files to .cmd and they will work. That is assuming you have the OS/2
equivalents to the DOS programs. I did it with my mailer when I switched from
DOS to OS/2.

However, there is another part to .cmd files and that is REXX. REXX is a
command interpreter or better yet, a scripting language that really enhances
the .cmd files. you can do so many different things with rexx files.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 15h 23m 43s 375ms (en).

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From: Jack Stein                                        04-Nov-99 00:12:06
  To: Sean Dennis                                       07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Weird windows...

following up a message from Jack Stein to Sean Dennis:

 JS> Sean Dennis wrote in a message to Jack Stein:


 SD> --- tty1@afterhours/2 (GoldED/2)

 JS> I assume that is where you want it sent?

No luck there Sean:
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 <tty1@afterhours/2>... Host unknown (Name server: afterhours/2: host not
found)



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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Nov-99 12:44:17
  To: John Angelico                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Network DOS to OS/2

John Angelico wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

RT> I got a couple of different packages from m$,  and could't get 
RT> either one of them working here.  Which is why this (dos/dv) 
RT> box is the least connected of the four machines sitting here...
RT> 
RT> If it weren't for ncsa telnet's ftp software,  it wouldn't be 
RT> connecting at all.  And I somehow managed to break that a while 
RT> back.

JA> Either of you have DevCon or TechCon CDs? 

Not me.

JA> I heard (from a reliable source) that a free DOS NETBIOS 
JA> Requester from IBM was available somewhere there.

I have some vague recollection of this as well.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 08:47:13
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: File Systems

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 ET> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html

You've got to be able to get there <G>.


Anon,

Linda

... Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat, though.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 09:16:15
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Jack Stein <=-

 JS> Also, you don't need all the same settings in the OS/2 DOS startup
 JS> file.  For example, you don't need or want any of the sound card
 JS> settings in there, OS/2 handles that for it's DOS sessions.

If all drivers were loaded when OS/2 boots, they don't take up memory
until used?


Anon,

Linda

... Computer: a million morons working at the speed of light.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 10:03:24
  To: George White                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> George White wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GW> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?

When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 months too
old.  And I don't think Warp would change that.


Anon,

Linda

... KEYBOARD: Device I use for entering errors into a computer.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 10:15:15
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Win9XX Question

Greetings,

Once I set up my Warp & have multiboot with it & DOS, how would I load
Win9XX on it & multiboot. That is if I ever decide to use it.

Just asking. <RBG>

Anon,

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Holger Granholm                                   04-Nov-99 20:31:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 11-03-99, Andy Roberts said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Andy,

AR>To summarize that, I dial my ISP with the real modem on ComPort2,
AR>then load VModem, which uses ComPort5, then load Terminate, then
AR>dial ATDT<IP-address>.

Thanks for the the clarifying. Message saved for deeper study ;-)

AR>BTW, there is nothing special about Terminate to use Telnet.  Any
AR>terminal prgm will work with VModem.  I haven't tried ZOC, ....

I'll have to check it. I've got that installed here in OS/2 instead of
Telix that I used extensively under DOS.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   04-Nov-99 20:31:00
  To: Stewart Buckingham                                07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

In a message dated 11-03-99, Stewart Buckingham said to Holger Granholm:

Hiiiii Stu, long time no read!

> Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings? I don't run 4OS2
> but I do run a PCBoard 2-node BBS, Fido et al.

SB>If you are familiar with REXX you could probably easily write a REXX
SB>script to convert the FILES.BBS file into PCBoard DIR format.

I don't even know what a FILES.BBS looks like and wouldn't state that
I'm exactly familiar with REXX though I know it's there to use in OS/2
as well as in PC-DOS.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   04-Nov-99 20:31:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Question Again

In a message dated 11-03-99, Linda Proulx said to All:

LP>What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe
LP>file?

Hi Linda,

Go back and do your homework!  From your question I can see that you
haven't even opened the manual that you so proudly bragged that you
had received.

BTW, if you don't care to open the manual, a .cmd file is an OS/2 batch
file. It can be written exactly as a DOS .bat file or in a programming
language named REXX which is included with OS/2 and IBM's PC-DOS.

OS/2 also runs .bat files so you don't have to worry.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Quander                                    05-Nov-99 05:32:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Question Again

Ave Linda!

Antwort auf eine Message von Linda Proulx an All:

 LP> What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe file?

a CMD file could be a batch-file for the os/2 commandline-interpeter
(cmd.exe), like the BAT files of dos.

or a REXX script (indicated with a /* */ comment in the first line of the
script). REXX is a powerful language, you can use it to expand some
batch-jobs. REXX can use 3rd. party libs and is able to control applications.
i use rexx-scrips on an os/2 client to control host-applications in a ibm
pers. comm. 3270 emulation, or impos/2 can be controlled with. or... rexx is
also (native) avail. in pc-dos 7 oder ibm mvs operations system. there is a
free rexx interpreter named regina available for dos, os/2, win32. and an from 
ibm also a version of o-rexx (object-rexx) for windows nt.
for more information 'bout rexx take a look in \os2\book\rexx.inf


Servus, Holger!

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From: George White                                      03-Nov-99 08:27:28
  To: Murray Lesser                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Get Going

Hi Murray,

On 31-Oct-99, Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx:

 ML>>True, but I can't just let these terms go by when I see them.
 ML>> Also, I want to get beyond the "a liitle knowledge is dangerous"
 ML>> period soon.

 ML> One never gets beyond that period :-).  Even though some people
 ML> think that they have.  That is why a few of the answers you get to
 ML> your queries here don't make much sense :-).

:-) Too true, there is so much there...

<snip>

 ML> Better, just install OS/2 and start really learning by trial and
 ML> error.  There is a pretty good tutorial and lots of "help" files,
 ML> some of which actually do help.  If nothing else, you will have a
 ML> better idea as to what questions to ask and how to interpret the
 ML> answers, after you have tried a few things and pondered over the
 ML> strange results.  Assume that you are going to repartition and
 ML> reinstall a few times during the learning process, so don't worry
 ML> too much about getting it right the first time.  It is fairly hard
 ML> to do any real damage under OS/2, especially if you avoid "DEL
 ML> *.*" commands and keep good backups <VBG>.

I'll second that.
But you should have warned her that under OS/2 "DEL *" is even _more_
dangerous than "DEL *.*" :-)

George

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From: George White                                      03-Nov-99 08:46:13
  To: Dave Davidson                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hi Dave,

On 31-Oct-99, Dave Davidson wrote to Ian Moote:

 DD>>> The two drives currently in that machine in question are Segate
 DD>>> 4.3GB and a Western Digital 2.5GB.

 IM>> Be _very_ careful! If you clear the wrong MBR then you're
 IM>> SNAFU'd. I'll also send you another two utilities to save and
 IM>> restore your MBR's in case you accidentally do the wrong one.

 DD> Can ya 'splain the snafu'd part? It's my understanding that if the
 DD> MBR is lost or corrupted, using FDISK with the /MBR switch, would
 DD> re-create it. Is this wrong? Not trying to be a smart a**, I
 DD> really don't know that much about hard drive dynamics.

The partition table is in the MBR together with the boot code.
"FDISK /MBR" (thats the DOS version, for OS/2 its "FDISK /NEWMBR")
only replaces the boot code, and leaves the partition table alone. So
if you inadvertantly clear the wrong MBR you've lost the partitioning
information for the drive. Ian's utilities will save all the
information so that the partition table can be restored if necessary.

 IM>> According to Andy's report, FDisk _isn't_ deleting the
 IM>> partitions. According to him, when you reboot the FAT32 partition
 IM>> is still there. So, is is still there when you reboot?

 DD> Yes. When I run the OS/2 install disks and it gets to FDISK, it
 DD> shows a Type B partition, with the only options available is to
 DD> delete the partition. When I delete it and exit FDISK, the
 DD> partition doesn't appear to be there. However, upon re-booting,
 DD> it's there again.

I've had that problem. I found that it happened when the disk had been
partitioned under one geometry (it was set for translation) and I
changed it (to native geometry) before installing OS/2. I couldn't get
FDISK to clear things - just like your situation.
Solution - I set the geometry back to the one used to initially
partition it, OS/2 FDISK then happily cleared everything down and I
could then change the geometry and OS/2 FDISK then partitioned
everything the way I wanted.

George

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         04-Nov-99 11:45:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 DE>> The CDs could be BBS ready, if desired.

 JP>> If you need them, I have a suite of REXX scripts that will download
 JP>> the Hobbes 00GLOBAL.TXT file, convert it into the appropriate
 JP>> FILES.BBS files in the appropriate subdirectories, and then convert
 JP>> the FILES.BBS files into attached ".SUBJECT" extended attributes
 JP>> attached to each file and directory in order to yield descriptions
 JP>> for them in 4OS2 and the file objects' properties notebooks in the
 JP>> Workplace Shell.

 HG> Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings? 

From what ?  From the 00GLOBAL.TXT file ?  The answer is "yes" as long as
PC-Board understands and processes the FILES.BBS format.  (The actual name of
the file(s) that are generated can, of course, be easily changed in the
script.)

  JdeBP 

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From: Andy Roberts                                      05-Nov-99 08:13:07
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Get Going

 Linda Proulx,

04-Nov-99 13:39:21, Linda Proulx wrote to Jack Stein
     -=>> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: Get Going

 JS>> Make sure you work out your drive partitions as carefully as possible.
 JS>> Do it on paper and give it a lot of thought, possibly post your
 JS>> thoughts here as you will get a lot of opinions on how to partition.

 LP> Have 2 hard drives setup as follows:

 LP> C - 1G
 LP> D - 1G

Both of those are way too large for any OS, such as OS/2, WinXX, DOS or Linux.
Although if I were a M$ addict, then 1GB might seem reasonable.

Even with 16GB available I don't waste that much space:
WinXX C: 450MB total, 116MB free.
Warp4 D: 450MB total, 238MB free.

Actually 350MB would be plenty for Warp4, even less for Warp3.  I have put
Java and NetScape on other partitions (so I don't have to re-install and
upgrade them again if I ever re-install OS/2) and it would be easy to do the
same for Swapper.Dat if you discover later that you don't have enough space.

 LP> E,F,G - 500 MB
 LP> H - 1G
 LP> I - 1G
 LP> J - 500 MB set up with a double space drive for temp files & single use
 LP> files, eg Win installs.

 LP> Am considering uninstalling the double space

I suggest you get rid of Double Space.  Most HD compression software only
slows the system down and increases the risk of loosing data.

 LP> So what do folk think?

You didn't say which partitions are on which drives, nor their age nor speed.
IMO that does make some difference as to what goes where.

There is no way I can specifically plan your HD usage.  And obviously you
can't duplicate my usage either.  But I will show you what I did and mention
some of the reasons for doing it this way.  So consider this a sample.

FDISK /QUERY

Drive Name  Partition Vtype FStype   Status   Start     Size

[Newest fastest 9GB SCSI]
    1 0000003f   :    1    0a          2          0        7
    1 Win98-C   C:    1    06 [FAT16]  1          7      455 [OS]
    1 Warp4-D   D:    2    07 [HPFS]   1        462      454 [OS]
    1 001cae74  E:    2    07 [HPFS]   0        917      125 [Swapper.Dat]
    1 00209a84  F:    2    07 [HPFS]   0       1043     1200 [BBS NetScape
etc]
    1 00461bdd  G:    2    07 [HPFS]   0       2243      604 [SO5 BlueCAD]
    1 0058fbea  H:    2    07 [HPFS]   0       2847      682 [cache for CDR]
    1 006e4f81  I:    2    07 [HPFS]   0       3529     3506 [*.ZIP]
    1 00dbe280  J:    2    07 [HPFS]   0       7036     1639 [TerMail & DOCs]
                                             **BIOS:8032MB
[Oldest 1.13GB SCSI]
    2 00000020   :    1    00          0          0        1
    2 00000820  K:    2    07 [HPFS]   0          1     1009 [Backups]
[Old 2.26GB SCSI]
    3 0000003f   :    1    00          0          0        7
    3 00003f00  L:    2    07 [HPFS]   0          7     2039 [Backups]
[Old 3.1 IDE]
    4 0000003f   :    3    00          0          0        3
    4 00001fbf  M:    2    07 [HPFS]   0          4     3067 [Backups]
    4 005ffa00   :    3    00          0       3071        6
                                             **BIOS: 504MB

C & D drives:
OS drives:
Make sure all of the partitions you want to install an OS on are within the
1st 1023 cylinders.  WinXX (and those apps) like a primary partition drive C.
OS/2 can be in either a primary or extended logical partition.  Normally I
would suggest you make both C and D primary partitions so that WinXX and OS/2
do not get into a fight where you lose.  In my case I almost never use WinXX
and have a lot of unfortunate experience that has taught me exactly what to
avoid, so the advantage of being able to copy files back and forth between
those OSs is worth the risk to me.  The penalty for failure is to re-install
OS/2, which is not worth it to a novice.  Alternatives for using 2 primary
partitions (safer) would be to make another small FAT partition just for
copying files, or use floppy or CD.  Actually the safest way to run WinXX is
to put it on another machine, so that if it screws the MBR it won't screw
OS/2.  And at 1 time I did just that and used a set of A/B switches so that
both machines used the same Keyboard, Monitor, TrackBall, and Printer.  And I
used ParaLink to transfer files between the 2 machines.

E drive:
You've seen other msgs that said the best place for Swapper.Dat is on the
most used partition of the least used HD.  I might gain a little by moving my
Swapper.Dat to drive 3.  But my newest HD is much faster than any of the
others.  By putting it in it's own partition it will never become fragmented.
And since that partition is right in front of my busiest partition and right
after Warp4 OS partition, there is very little head movement.  Besides with
64MB RAM my Swapper.Dat almost always stays at the default size, so it is not
accessed as often on this machine as it might be on yours.  And last but not
least, I like having all my active files on 1 HD, since I sometimes pull the
end HDs out to put in other machines.

F drive:
The BBS and NetScape and Mr2/Ice are on the same partition with all my native
OS/2 apps and tools that are not critical and most active.  That partition
has a lot of free space, for msg bases and NS cache to grow a lot between
purge maintenance.

G drive:
I consider SO5 and BlueCad and a few other personal prgms to be critical data
apps.  So they are on a partition all by themselves where they are unlikely
to be effected by any mistakes I or some flaky prgm might make.

H drive:
The partition for the CDR cache is sized especially for a whole CD and
nothing else is on the partition.  

I drive:
All my *.ZIP files are on their own partition to avoid fragmentation.

J drive:
DOS Terminate/TerMail (and formerly various test versions of that prgm) are
on a partition that has almost no other activity.  So again fragmentation is
nil.  I had thought about putting TerMail on the same partition with my BBS,
but TerMail gets very upset if it ever runs out of space.  My original plan
was to put TerMail on the partition immediately following the BBS and put my
critical data at the end of that HD.  But I have been too lazy to change that
since I would have to manually edit a lot of cfg and cmd files.

Placement:
I've found once you start writing cmd files to do simple file movement and
manipulation, that it pretty much locks in where you have your primary apps
located.  For me AdeptXBBS has always been on F and TerMail on J.  While that
may not be the most efficient placement, it was decided long before I
understood other advantages.  But mostly it is left over from before I got my
largest HD, when Adept and TerMail were on separate HDs, which was better
then.  I also had Swapper.Dat on an otherwise unused HD back then too.

Better placement:
Especially if you leave your Swapper.Dat on the default OS partition, but also
for reasons of later growth, I recommend you put your most active apps on the
partition immediately after the OS (or Swapper.Dat), with the following
partitions used for less active apps in sequential priority.  Storage files
can go near the end of the HD (far way from Swapper.Dat), since they are not
accessed often enough to make a significant difference in performance.

L & M & N drives:
My slower older HDs are in semi-retirement as Backup storage, with priority.
I also empty 1 of those for temporarily testing potentially flaky prgms, such
as beta prgms or Win prgms like TaxCut.

Good planning:
You might notice that I have avoided the drive letter shuffle so often caused
when more than 1 HD is installed.  The last 3 HDs are all extended logical.
That makes it easy to add and remove HDs without messing up normal operations.

Reconsideration:
If I had it to do over I would have 2 partitions both sized at 680MB for CDR,
with the 2nd used as a pre-staging area, since there is an advantage to being
able to see how close I am to filling a CD (without exceeding the limit, as
well as knowing that all the files can be copied and are not corrupted) before
I start the final copy and writing to the CD.  As it is now I just use 1 of my
Backup HDs as the pre-staging area and mentally subtract the excess space
while copying and check the space closely with a file manager before I start
the final copy and writing to the CD.

At the time I made the 600MB partition I had just found out that RE-writable
CDs don't hold as much as a write-once CD.  So that size was important then.
But later I found I don't use my RE-writable CDs very much, so I used that
partition for other things.

Free space:
There is an advantage (less HPFS fragmentation) if you have no more that 80%
of any 1 partition in use.  But having 3 or 4 times as much free space as data
isn't going to make that any better.  Obviously for caches and msg-bases and
ZIP files, allowing for growth is important.  But I would not recommend having
a lot of free space on the OS partitions.  Keep the OS partitions just for the
OSs and put all your apps and data somewhere else.  That way if you ever have
to re-install, you can 'Format fs:hpfs /L' and not lose any data.  I like to
size each partition especially for the apps/data that will be on it and put
all my excess free space on another partition after all the active partitions.
What I labeled Backup above, was actually free space, I put to use.

New HDs:
The fact is that it is bloody hard (no matter how much experience you have)
to determine exactly what your needs will be in the future.  Unfortunate HD
failure or running out of space and thus getting a new HD can make the best
plan dissolve.  What I do every time I add a new HD, is to print out on paper
the FDISK /QUERY and try to rearrange things on paper before I actually move
data and make new partitions on the HD.  The general rule of thumb is most
used 1st, least used last.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Peter Knapper                                     06-Nov-99 13:52:04
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Missing Window control...

Hi Folks,

My Warp 4 FP9 system has been running fine for many months, however about a
month ago an odd intermittent problem appeared. After running non-stop for
several days, the system suddenly loses SOME of the window controls, mainly
noticed though the MOVE and SIZE functions. Once the problem appears, I can no 
longer move a Window by dragging it from the Title line, and the MOVE option
on the Window menu no longer turns the border into dashes and allows the
window to be moved. Similar, I can no longer re-size a window that would
normally allow this to happen.

At the arrival of the problem, CTRL-ESC brings up the Window list, BUT no
keyboard action (including cursor moves) is recognized and the Window list
cannot be cancelled until the mouse is used to click on the desktop. If I then 
open a FULL Screen OS/2 session, and exit that, the Window list behaviour
returns to normal (except for the MOVE and SIZE functions). If the Window is a 
PM app, the ALT-F7 Move, and ALT-F8 Size functions do not work, but ALT-F9
Minimize and ALT-F10 Maximise work exactly as expected.

The system appears to otherwise function normally, and a subsequent shutdown
and re-boot restores the key controls to normal behaviour until the problem
appears again... Here are the details of an entry in the System Error Log that 
apepars at the time of the error -

===================================================================
Date:    06/11/99
Time:    13:12:24
Entry ID:    42
Severity:    2
Module Name:    PMWP.DLL
Directory Name:    E:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
    
Error Message:    A WorkPlace Shell Exception has occurred. Exception Type:
c0000005  Exception location: 00007040

    
Probe ID:    1111
    
Template ID:    1111
Template Filename:    PMWP.REP
    
Dump Generated:    Yes
Trace File Generated:    No
Process Dump Generated:    No
    
Failure Causes:
No data found
    
Failure Actions:
No data found
    
Install Causes:
No data found
    
Install Actions:
No data found
    
User Causes:
No data found
    
User Actions:
No data found
    
Return Code:    0
    
Dump Filename:    E:\OS2\SYSTEM\RAS\FF000129.DMP
    
Dump Formatter:    No data found
Dump File Deletion Date:    No data found
Dump File Deletion Time:    No data found
    
Trace filename:    No data found
    
Trace Formatter:    No data found
Trace File Deletion Date:    No data found
Trace File Deletion Time:    No data found
    
Process Dump filename:    No data found
    
Process Dump Formatter:    No data found
Process Dump File Deletion Date:    49/00/46
Process Dump File Deletion Time:    68:00:65
    
DMI Vendor Tag:    IBM-PSP
DMI Tag:    OS/2 WorkPlace Shell
Product ID:    OS/2 Warp Connect
DMI Revision:    1.00
DMI Modification Level:    No data found
DMI Fix Level:    No data found
    
Module Name:    PMWP.DLL
Machine Type:    No data found
Machine Serial Number:    No data found
    
Hostname:    PRK
    
User Data:
No data found

===================================================================

Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas on what might be causing it? I
have not changed anything in the past 3 months that would appear to be
relevant, but I guess anything is possible...

Is it possible that a WPS restart might resolve this issue (there was no
obvious automatic WPS restart), if so is there an easy way to force this to
happen without a full system shutdown/restart?

Thanks in advance................pk.


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From: Andy Roberts                                      05-Nov-99 13:35:13
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard,

03-Nov-99 10:27:58, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: Hobbes CD-ROM

 AR>> I really like the OS2REXX echo, but I haven't had time to keep up
 AR>> reading since last Spring.  You mentioned "a suite of REXX
 AR>> scripts" which implies several.

 JdBP> Three:
 JdBP> 18-09-98  17:05  2,773     21  convert_description.cmd
 JdBP> 11-03-98  16:22  2,322  7,275  convert_global.cmd
 JdBP> 20-11-97  17:51  1,345  3,343  get_00global.cmd

 AR>> So would you please send me what you can, and save me some time
 AR>> searching?

 JdBP> I'll post them again in the OS2REXX echo.

Got them all thanks!
---
Convert_Description.Cmd  18-09-98  3,245
Convert_Global.Cmd       11-03-98  2,775
Get_Global.Cmd           20-11-97  1,478
---

The sizes differ (all larger) [After removing the msg stuff] probably REXX
comments.  And I took the names from the REXX comments (1 was different.)

They are now available on my BBS.  

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Fred Springfield                                  05-Nov-99 16:21:03
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: PM Sessions

Perhaps this was covered a couple of years ago, but I have forgotten
the answer.

How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

I have made an object for it, but the MINIMIZED=YES parameter in the
setup string has no effect on it at all.  Also, the Session page in
the settings notebook shows the minimized option checked, but the whole
page is grayed out due to it being a PM style of program.

I have also tried changing the object data after the program is open,
but this also does not do anything--unlike the window controls which
will minimize it if you click on the minimized option on the menu, with
a mouse.

The program in question happens to be Post Road Mailer, which I am
trying to start from a rexx control program in such a way that it is
not visible on the desktop.  The control program wants PRM to just send
out queued up messages, and then quit--without appearing on the
desktop.

Any ideas on this?

Fred Springfield
Plymouth, MN


  KWQ/2 1.2i  Success--that good feeling after winning something.

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From: Peter Knapper                                     06-Nov-99 16:40:08
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Hi Linda,

 JS> Also, you don't need all the same settings in the OS/2 DOS startup
 JS> file.  For example, you don't need or want any of the sound card
 JS> settings in there, OS/2 handles that for it's DOS sessions.

 LP> If all drivers were loaded when OS/2 boots, they don't take up memory
 LP> until used?

You HAVE to stop thinking in PURE DOS terms! OS/2 is a Virtual Memory OS (the
exact same as Linux, NT, etc...), so this means ALL memory in the machine is
virtualised. What this really means is that ALL OS/2 DRIVERS will occupy some
form of memory, but this is TOTALLY irrelevant to the VDM's (the Virtual DOS
Machines), because the memory used by the OS/2 drivers is NOT the same memory
the DOS session uses! Regardless of how many OS/2 drivers are loaded, a DOS
box under OS/2 will have more memory available than real DOS will ever have
(unless you specifically configure it to use less)! 

DOS does not understand the Virtual Mode of the processor, it ALWAYS runs as
if it is the only program in the CPU, in REAL MODE, where memory usage is
real! Under DOS, drivers load into REAL memory, its got no choice, DOS and the 
drivers do not know how to use Virtual memory. When you start a DOS session
"in a DOS box", then OS/2 provides the DOS environment as a Virtual DOS
Machine, but the DOS program just acts as if it was the only thing running, it 
has no knowledge that it is sharing the machine with other processes. In this
case OS/2 is "virtualising" a large number of the resources that DOS needs,
but all this is being done behind DOS's back... 

In fact you can start a dozen VDM sessions under OS/2, and each one can have a 
full 640K (and more if you configure it) of memory available (less the memory
needed for DOS itself within that session). 

If you MUST load a DOS driver in a DOS session, then yes it will load in the
DOS session AND steal memory away from JUST THAT SESSION, but it will have no
affect on the memory available to any other DOS sessions you have running, and 
of course to the rest of the OS/2 sessions you have running.

So if you ever load ANY sort of driver, then it WILL always take up memory,
except it wont matter in the slightest to the rest of the machine because it
is all VIRTUAL memory!

Is this getting any easier to understand now?........;-)

Cheers..........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     06-Nov-99 16:40:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Network

Hi Linda,

 GW> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?

 LP> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 months too
 LP> old.  And I don't think Warp would change that.

I have never seen any statement that suggests "Your BIOS must be dated after
xxx to load/run OS/2", so I will repeat the above question - What date is your 
BIOS?

OS/2 1.x used to load on 286 machines manufactured in 1988, and I have loaded
Warp 3 on machines with a BIOS dated 1990, and I am not aware of any specific
BIOS date restrictions in this respect. There were (and still are) some
documented issues relating to known problems on some vendors equipment, but
these were NOT general date related installation issues............pk.


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From: Holger Granholm                                   05-Nov-99 20:39:00
  To: Herbert Bushong                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 11-03-99, Herbert Bushong said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Herbert,

::> Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but I
::> think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use VModem.
::> I connect with modem.

HB>No Holger, you don't. I used VModem with my dialup account to telnet
HB>out. Others have also used it for inbound telnet on a dialup
HB>account (slow though for mor than one or two inbounds at a time).  

Yeah, by now I know better thanks. One of these days I'll check up ZOC
to see if it contains something useful.

Regards,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   05-Nov-99 20:39:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 11-03-99, Jack Stein said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Jack,

JS>Holger, I'll send it to you, but, if you went to

JS>   http://ftpsearch.ntnu.no

JS>You could locate and D/l the file in seconds.  I use that place a
JS>lot to find files, works rather well.

Thanks for the hint Jack. I've got that address written down but I've
never tried it. I'll do it next time I'm looking for a file.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   05-Nov-99 20:39:00
  To: Will Honea                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 11-03-99, Will Honea said to Holger Granholm:

HG> Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but
HG> I think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use
HG> VModem. I connect with modem. 

WH>Nope.  Vmodem is a telnet server/client that has a front end that
WH>looks like a modem to other software.  Uses a 'dummy' port and makes
WH>the internet connection transparent to the using software.  Nice
WH>utility as you can then use any software that would normally 'dial'
WH>a modem to get to the internet.

Thanks for the explanation Will. And thanks to all others that have
explained this to me. I was living with a misconception.

Regards,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   05-Nov-99 20:39:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 11-02-99, Russell Tiedt said to Holger Granholm:

RT>Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Andy Roberts:

Hello Russell,

RT>I don't clearly remeber what they asked for overseas shipping and
RT>handling but vaguely remember a sum of $25 (US) at this stage I
RT>can't say if that included the $9.50 for the CD-ROM or not,
RT>InfoMagic asks $15 (US) for postage and packaging, if you oder from
RT>them (6 weeks delivery).

Well, they state on their site that S/H is $6 - $25. That's why I said
that they probably would charge the maximum as soon as delivery goes
abroad.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: George Fliger                                     05-Nov-99 06:59:22
  To: Tony Pater                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ?

On 31 Oct 99 12:51pm, Tony Pater wrote to All:

 TP>  Excuse me,  know this may sound like a daft question.

 TP>  I'm trying to use a beta of ICQ for OS/2 (icq153beta)

 TP>  <snip>

 TP>   ICQ/2 for OS/2 [BETA VERSION 1.503i]

 TP> ICQ/2 is a ICQ client for OS/2 that finally provides
 TP> a full 32 bit multithreaded OS/2 PM application
 TP> without the complexity of IRC and the limitations
 TP> of other chat tools. ICQ/2 lets you find friends or
 TP> colleagues online and exchange messages or chat
 TP> with them in real time all the while letting you
 TP> see who's online at a glance. It's compatibility with
 TP> any other operating system's ICQ software clients
 TP> allowsyou to both send and receive messages or
 TP> chat with any of your friends, coworkers or
 TP> colleagues.

 TP>  <snip>

 TP>  However, when I've logged into ICQ homepage to 'register'
 TP>  (and obtain an ID number), I can't see any procedure to
 TP>  do so.

 TP>  The author of the programme (ICQ/2) apparently has received
 TP>  a lot of email from erstwhile users asking how to obtain
 TP>  an ID etc .. (so that testers and/or those trying out his
 TP>  programme), but he declines to answer as he's pre-occupied
 TP>  the design etc and hasn't the time to answer innumerable
 TP>  quests for help on this subject..... understandably.

 TP>  Could someone in the forum therefore, assist me in the
 TP>  procedure :
 TP>
 TP>    How does one obtain an ID ?

 TP>    Does one need to register with ICQ homepage in order
 TP>    to 'use' ICQ programmes (of whatever OS) ?


 TP>  FWI .... I need to use ICQ to talk directly with
 TP>  some leute in Tainan, Taiwan, and China/Japan; oddly
 TP>  they would like to discuss the possibilities of using
 TP>  OS/2 !

You need to go over to www.mirabilis.com (I believe I spelled that
right) and register with them to get an ICQ ID.  Once you have that you
should be able to run your ICQ client and fill in your ID information
from what mirabilis.com gave you when you registered.  After that,
you're home free.

George


... Party at Chez Tony!
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From: Albert Sodyl                                      03-Nov-99 21:17:00
  To: WILL HONEA                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

Hey WILL HONEA, what's up?

WILL HONEA was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 Backup Program!

 WH> Albert Sodyl wrote to WILL HONEA on 10-18-1999

 AS>> Well thanks a lot, I'll keep that in mind, it actually took me
 AS>> over 1 hour restoring my 200 megs from floppies after formatting
 AS>> with HPFS.

 WH> You get no sympathy from me today.  I spent all night recovering 5
 WH> Warp Server setups that or LAN Admin had been, shall we say, lax
 WH> about maintaining.  I also re-learned a lesson about fixpaks the
 WH> hard way.

Oh yeah, I spent 2 whole days, re-installing OS/2 on my hard drive many
many times!  The HPFS always screws up files that where not even in use,
some of them ZIP files and OS/2 files that I really really need, for
example my PMSHELL.EXE and my DLLs and Video drivers, I don't really know
how to re-install OS/2 and let it work again, but to delte everything in
the OS/2 directory... at least it works now, if I apply *ANY* fixpak, I'm
in for trouble and I won't be able to boot :(.

Now OS/2 is a drag to me :(




 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  Some dead, some alive, depends on who you look at.  BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      03-Nov-99 21:24:00
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

Hey MURRAY LESSER, what's up?

MURRAY LESSER was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS
dead.!

 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-18-99, Albert Sodyl to Murray
 ML> Lesser)

 ML> Hi Albert--

Hello, Murray.

 ML> AS>I know OS/2 v2.1 are no longer supported, but I still need to
 ML> find >the latest fixpack for it because it's the only version that
 ML> I will >ever use, all other one's are very expensive to me, I got
 ML> 2.1 free >from a friend.

 ML> They were called "Corrective Service Diskettes" (not FixPaks) in
 ML> those days.  There were a few "patches" for OS/2 v 2.1 distributed
 ML> on Walnut Creek's "Hobbes" CD-ROMs for 1993 and 1994.  OS/2 v 2.11
 ML> was very short lived, having been replaced by Warp 3 shortly after
 ML> it arrived on the scene, but there was one CSD for v 2.11
 ML> distributed on the Hobbes CD-ROM for March 1995, and a few shown
 ML> on the Archived Hobbes CD-ROM for September 1997 (the most recent
 ML> one I have).  I haven't the slightest idea as to whether or not
 ML> any of these are still available.

Well I downloaded the latest one they had from the IBM FTP site... and it
seemed to work fine, plus when I installed it, it checked the floppy when
OS/2 started booting for some reason, and the shutdown screen was really
fixed and also the graphics change (when I change from SVGA to VGA or vice
versa) and many other things.  Too bad OS/2 still crashed :(

 ML> I have no recollection that I ever applied a CSD to OS/2 v 2.1
 ML> during the time I was using it (2.1 was largely a "bug fix" for
 ML> 2.0), and I am sure that I never "updated" to v 2.11.  I've never
 ML> believed in being the first kid on the block with a new operating
 ML> system, nor with an unneeded FixPak for that matter.  However,
 ML> sometimes there are valid reasons to update.

I _used_ to use 2.11 until it froze and screwed up the HPFS drive...

 ML> AS>I have to use os/2, it's my only choice, either that, or I'd be
 ML> stuck >to win 3.1 :(

 ML> Not a difficult choice to make.  Running an obsolete version of
 ML> OS/2 is always better than running an obsolete version of Windows.
 ML>  In either case, you may have Y2K problems, and you can't run any
 ML> programs that require a later version to operate.  Most certainly,
 ML> you would be better off with Warp 4 plus at least FixPak 5.  But
 ML> if this is not possible--

Not possible at this moment, I might be getting Warp 3 red box, unused for
$30 dollars.. not bad, I'm considering it.

 ML> If your current installation of 2.1 is running OK, why do you need

It's not running OK at all :(

 ML> any "FixPaks" for it?  Most CSDs in those days were to handle
 ML> problems associated with new hardware and the remaining bugs in
 ML> the programming interface (IMO, more bugs have been introduced by
 ML> FixPaks than were in the original code).  Early CSDs did not add
 ML> new features.

There are so many bugs in it that I find, I really want to use the Fixpaks
for it right now... but I can't, even though I already have them on
diskettes.  The thing is that OS/2 kept screwing up and screwing up, even
with te fixpak that it soon stopped booting, so I spent 2 day figuring it
out and re-installing OS/2 a thousand times!  Now I sort of got it ok, but
when I apply any fixpaks, I can't boot.  Also I need the fixpaks because
OS/2 freezes (sometimes freezes the windows way, no message or anything
just dead) whatever I do, and I can't do anything and I'm scared of
multitasking because whatever I do, will make a TRAP error :(



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  TerMail/QWK  Kewlness Sir.Al@Milkyway.canbbs.net :P              BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      03-Nov-99 21:31:00
  To: LEE ARONER                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

Hey LEE ARONER, what's up?

LEE ARONER was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about Version 2.x SysLevel 
??!

 AS>> Hey LEE ARONER, what's up?

 AS>> LEE ARONER was heard grumbling this to ALL about Version 2.x
 AS>> SysLevel ??!

 LA>> Is there anyone out there with a copy of OS/2 2.x that's loaded
 LA>> on a machine? If so, could you tell me how IBM handled the
 LA>> SysLevel thing in that version?

 AS>> I use OS/2 2.11 with fixpack XR_B108 installed, yet I don't know
 AS>> anything
   >> what you're talking about, I don't know anything about OS/2 :/

 LA> Could you just confirm for me that there is a file named
 LA> SYSLEVEL.OS2 in the \OS2\INSTALL directory?

Yes, Lee, there is actually both a SYSLEVEL.OS2 and a SYSLEVEL.GRE.

You're welcome!



 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  What am I supposed to do with shareware?            BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      04-Nov-99 16:33:00
  To: HERBERT ROSENAU                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

Hey HERBERT ROSENAU, what's up?

HERBERT ROSENAU was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS
dead.!

 AS>> I know OS/2 v2.1 are no longer supported, but I still need to
 AS>> find the latest fixpack for it because it's the only version that
 AS>> I will ever use, all other one's are very expensive to me, I got
 AS>> 2.1 free from a friend.

 HR> It does not help! OS/2 prior WARP 3 is and would NOT be Y2K ready!

I don't mind.... I'm not a rich person, I got OS/2 2.1 for free... and
that's my only choice, unless you want me to run windows 3.1!

 HR> Go to ebay.com. There you can find OS/2 WARP 4 for less than $50.

I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website you're
talkign about, is that used or not?  I'd rather prefer not used.  And I
don't have a CD rom drive either.




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  TerMail/QWK  So how old where you again? :P                      BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      04-Nov-99 16:45:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Hey LINDA PROULX, what's up?

LINDA PROULX was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about Confirmation
Needed!

 LP>> -!- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.31

 AS>> What horrible thing did you do to be captured in an MS-DOS
 AS>> environment?

 LP> Not for long.

Well, hopefully!  You don't want to stand there as OS/2 is patiently
waiting for you... it says "what can ms-dos do that I can't do?" sadly.



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  TerMail/QWK  ---<<<<*((((((YOU ARE FEELING SLEEPY)))))*>>>>---   BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      04-Nov-99 16:49:00
  To: WILL HONEA                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: WinOS2 with Warp v3

Hey WILL HONEA, what's up?

WILL HONEA was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about WinOS2 with Warp v3!

 AS>> Can the Warp v3 Red Box use the winos2 that came with OS/2 2.1?
 AS>> Or do I have go and buy windows for work groups or windows 3.1?

 WH> There is a way to do that, but you'll have to go back to 1994 or
 WH> 95 archives to find it.  As I recall from the messages, it wasn't
 WH> really too hard to do but I never tried it.

OS/2 2.1 was from 1993 I believe, and I have no idea how to get to which
archives.  What I was thinking was to install the WIN-OS2 on the hard drive
with os/2 2.1, then delete the OS/2 but still keep the windows.  I don't
know if this will work though.


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  TerMail/QWK  ---<<<<*((((((YOU ARE FEELING SLEEPY)))))*>>>>---   BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      04-Nov-99 16:53:00
  To: GREGORY URBAN                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

Hey GREGORY URBAN, what's up?

GREGORY URBAN was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS
dead.!

 GU> Greetings Albert,

 AS>> I know OS/2 v2.1 are no longer supported, but I still need to
 AS>> find the latest fixpack for it because it's the only version that
 AS>> I will ever use, all other one's are very expensive to me, I got
 AS>> 2.1 free from a friend.

 GU> How does $35 + shipping sound for Warp 3 Connect on CD-ROM, used
 GU> but with all documentation?

I can get Warp 3 red box for $30 CAN (canadian).  Is yours in CAN or US
dollars?

 GU> If interested drop me an email at kragmeiser@fast.net

I don't have the internet... :(



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From: Dan Egli                                          05-Nov-99 18:10:07
  To: Stewart Buckingham                                07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 -=> Quoting Stewart Buckingham to Dan Egli <=-

 SB> Hi Dan,

 > -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Dan Egli <=-

 >> I would probably be interested in getting a copy from you.  How much $

 > Say $10US seems fair to me. It will be a couple weeks before I can D/L the

 SB> Hobbes is about 3GB in size. That's about 5 CD's (if my math is
 SB> correct). Not bad for $10! I'd be interested in that deal also.

Ahmmm. That was not the COMPLETE archive :>

I don't have that kind of space.

Now if you want the complete archive that can be arranged, but it will take
longer and cost more. Around $60US.


... I don't do Windows, but OS/2 does.

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From: Dan Egli                                          05-Nov-99 18:10:08
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Dan Egli <=-

 JdBP> If they have scrolled off your OS2REXX messagebase, let me know in
 JdBP> that echo and I'll re-post them.

They're gone off my base. But I kill any messages over 2 weeks old :>

Repost them??

Thanks!

... Two most common elements in the universe: Hydrogen & Stupidity.

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From: Nick Andre                                        06-Nov-99 04:41:00
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: WORM drive problem

Hi!

I picked up the following from work today, all in a bundle:

- Adaptec 1510 ISA SCSI controller. Has only one jumper bank, set to "I1".
- Various cables... too many to mention.
- Corel 5.25" external SCSI WORM drive. ("Mfg by Panasonic in 1991" on back)
- 940MB "Write once" disks.
- 1GB "rewritable" disks.
- Cleaning disk.

All of these were in one box sitting around the lab, so none of these items 
could've been picked up seperately - The disks have labels detailing "backups" 

of various things, so I'm assuming they all have data on them already.

My system is:

- 486DX2/66Mhz, 32MB RAM, all ISA bus. Award BIOS.
- ISA IDE controller, two hard drives (99MB each), two floppies (1.2/1.44MB)
- 16 color EGA video adapter.
- Sound Blaster Pro 2, with a Panasonic 2x CD-ROM drive, set for IRQ7, DMA 0.
- Rockwell 33.6 internal modem, set for COM2, IRQ3.
- OS/2 Warp 3.0 Redspine, no fixpacks. HPFS installation.
- No other tasks running when the problems happen.

I have the following lines in my CONFIG.SYS file to get things running:

BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD /ET /V
BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OPTICAL.SYS

The Corel drive has the following DIP switches turned on, although OS/2 
doesn't seem to care about these. I played with them all night to see if this 
solves the problem, but it doesn't. I've left the following jumpers enabled:

- "Termination", I have no idea what this means.
- Parity checking, although OS/2 doesn't seem to care about this.
- Auto start on powerup.

Now, I managed to get the controller and drive to power up, HOWEVER, OS/2 
crashes during the following:

- OS/2 reports "drive is not functioning" when I insert a 940MB disk.

- And OS/2 crashes completely when I insert one of the 1GB disks. CTL+ALT+DEL 
  reboots the system, but does not reset the Adaptec controller card. This 
  causes the ADD driver not to load, thus OS2SCSI.DMD and OPTICAL.SYS don't 
  get installed at all... resulting in me having to power down the system.

- If I leave a 1GB disk in the drive during bootup, OS/2 will crash completely 

  just before loading PM... but this doesn't happen with a 940MB disk.

- It doesn't matter if I toggle the write-protect tab on the disks.

The LED flashes during loading, the drive appears to power up & spin 
perfectly... and OS/2 properly reports "drive not ready" when theres no disk 
in the drive. So, I'm assuming nothings wrong with the drive itself.
Otherwise, other strange things would happen, right?

I hit ALT+F2 to display the drivers as OS/2 boots up... its taking OS/2 a REAL 

long time to load the aha152x.add driver. The drive also "resets" itself 
during this time (motor powers down-then-up briefly and the LED flashes 
quickly). OS2SCSI.DMD and OPTICAL.SYS load perfectly.

Any suggestions? I *really* want to get this drive working for my BBS! Now, 
I'm a total idiot when it comes to SCSI, so ANY help is appreciated. :(


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From: Leonard Erickson                                  05-Nov-99 18:16:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 -=> Quoting Holger Granholm to Dan Egli <=-

 HG> In a message dated 10-27-99, Dan Egli said to Jonathan De Boyne
 HG> Pollard: 
 DE>As a matter of fact, I was planning on slowly downloading the Hobbes
 DE>archive and burning it to a CD. If people are interested, I may sell
 DE>copies of the burn to those who want them. The CDs could be BBS
 DE>ready, if desired.

 HG> Hello Dan,

 HG> First question is: Do you know what "BBS ready" meant on the previous
 HG> Walnut Creek CD's and how it was implemented?

At guess, the minimum requirement is that each directory contain a
FILES.BBS file. This contains the name of each file followed by a text
description. 

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  05-Nov-99 19:41:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Ian Moote <=-

 AR> At least Dave Davidson did get Linux installed (temporarily), before
 AR> he decided he wanted to play with WinNT.  I think he has collected
 AR> every version of every OS that will run on a PC.  But actually learning
 AR> how to get the most out of Linux or OS/2, that's another story.

Gee, ask him if he's got a copy of UCSD p-System (with docs) that he'd
be willing to part wih?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Nov-99 11:53:02
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: fido access by telnet

Hi folks!

What are the telnet sites for fido access?

Only sites with door bluewave, please!!

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Nov-99 12:17:29
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Andy Roberts:

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Ian Moote <=-

 AR> At least Dave Davidson did get Linux installed (temporarily), before
 AR> he decided he wanted to play with WinNT.  I think he has collected
 AR> every version of every OS that will run on a PC.  But actually learning
 AR> how to get the most out of Linux or OS/2, that's another story.

 LE> Gee, ask him if he's got a copy of UCSD p-System (with docs)
 LE> that he'd be willing to part wih?

I got one with my Osborne Executive,  does that count?  :-)

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   05-Nov-99 23:08:22
  To: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

On Thursday November 04 1999 at 19:43, Peter Knapper wrote to Garth Ramsay:

 GR>>   Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's....

 PK> Just as well you aren't a friend of mine then.....;-) My BBS has been
 PK> running Warp 3 on a K6-2-300 for the past 6 months and the K6 has
 PK> been just as reliable (and heaps faster) as the 486DX2-66 it ran on
 PK> for 5 years! What specifically have you found wrong with this
 PK> particular chip?

I can't speak for Garth, but in my experience, AMD-designed chips have very
bad FPU performance.  For me, that's enough of a reason to avoid them like the 
plague.

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From: Dave Davidson                                     06-Nov-99 02:16:19
  To: Ian Moote                                         07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Ian,

05-Nov-99 10:31:00, Ian Moote wrote to DAVE DAVIDSON
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 PK>> I could run OS/2 FDISK and remove the partitions, even save the
 PK>> changes, but upon system restart ALL ORIGINAL partitions were
 PK>> still there exactly as they had been defined. It was as though
 PK>> the partition table was write protected, the rest of the disk
 PK>> could be written no problem...

 IM> Hey -- I don't suppose you have the boot sector virus detection
 IM> turned on in your BIOS, do you?

 Nope, sure don't.

 I got home an hour or so ago, loaded the IBMIS506.ADD and IBMIDECD.FLT to
 the Install Disk 1 and viola.... the Type B partition was removed, Boot
 Manager installed and I was able to create the necessary partitions and
 install OS/2!

 At least I'm further than I was a few weeks ago. <g>

 Gotta get to bed. Will mess with it tomorrow.

 Thanks..


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com
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From: Andy Roberts                                      06-Nov-99 06:38:16
  To: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Missing Window control...

 Peter Knapper,

06-Nov-99 13:52:08, Peter Knapper wrote to All
          Subject: Missing Window control...

-<snip>-
 PK> The system appears to otherwise function normally, and a
 PK> subsequent shutdown and re-boot restores the key controls to
 PK> normal behaviour until the problem appears again...
-<snip>-
 PK> Is it possible that a WPS restart might resolve this issue (there
 PK> was no obvious automatic WPS restart), if so is there an easy way
 PK> to force this to happen without a full system shutdown/restart

http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder
wptool31.zip
    contains (among many other good things):
        resetwps.exe
        resetwps.ico
        resetwps.txt

Also from that same package, I recommend you run: CHECKINI /C /S /Y:2 /L1.LOG

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Daniela Engert                                    04-Nov-99 18:15:24
  To: Nick Andre                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Installation problem

Hi Nick!

Thus quoth Nick Andre to All :

 NA> I'm trying to install OS/2 Warp 3.0 Redspine on a friends system.
 NA> OS/2 starts to boot okay on Disk 0, but after the "Loading; please
 NA> wait" message appears, the screen goes blank, and the system stops.

My recommendations:

1) REM out all unnecessary BASEDEVs in CONFIG.SYS on install disk 1
2) put a ';' in front of each unnecessary device snooper line in SNOOP.LST on
install disk 1

bye, Dani

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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 23:38:29
  To: George White                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> George White wrote to Murray Lesser <=-

 GW> But you should have warned her that under OS/2 "DEL *" is even _more_
 GW> dangerous than "DEL *.*" :-)

Thanks for the info.


Anon,

Linda
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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 23:42:07
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Question Again

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> In a message dated 11-03-99, Linda Proulx said to All:

 HG> Go back and do your homework!  From your question I can see that you
 HG> haven't even opened the manual that you so proudly bragged that you
 HG> had received.

I read the manual.  And there is nothing about them in the book.  I just
double checked to make certain.  It's not even in the index.  When I
said the manual was pretty bare, I meant it.  I'm getting hold of a used
copy of OS/2 Unleashed next week. So I expect that there will be more
info there.  But until there is something more comprehensive around, I
can't help it that if I see something I can't look up, I'll ask about
it.

Anon,

Linda

... If you can't fix it, sell it as a feature.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Nov-99 10:14:01
  To: Dave Davidson                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hello Dave,

28 Oct 99 19:20, Dave Davidson wrote to Andy Roberts:

DD>  Maybe, just maybe, someone will be able to unlock the secret that
DD> will permit me to install OS/2 on the machine in question.

You don't have a bootsector virus? Have you checked that?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... UNIX has gurus.  OS/2 has evangelists.  Windows has penitents.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Nov-99 10:24:16
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hello Jack,

03 Nov 99 19:44, Jack Stein wrote to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard:

JS> I think he might need OS/2 installed to do that though, but thats just
JS> a guess:-)

No, OS/2 does not have to be installed for this, just boot OS/2 from floppies
(from the install floppies or from the floppies created by bootos2) and FDISK
and PARTLIST can be run.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Nov-99 10:25:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Question Again

Hello Linda,

03 Nov 99 13:35, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

LP> What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe file?

A .cmd file is a batch file for OS/2. A .bat file is a batch file for DOS.

A batch file is read, interpreted and executed by the command processor
(CMD.EXE in OS/2 sessions, COMMAND.COM in DOS sessions, resp. 4OS2 and 4DOS
when those are installed).

A REXX file is a .CMD file starting with a comment (for example '/* */' or '/* 
comment */') starting at the first column at the first row, such a file passes 
the command processor in the OS/2 environment to the REXX interpreter. When
the .CMD file does not start with a comment at the first column on the first
row then it's a batch file, for example a /* starting at the second column on
the first row causes the command processor to issue an error message, saying
that this is a unknown command since it's a batch file and not a REXX file.
The same when the .CMD file starts with a '//* */' starting in the first
column first row. REXX is a beautiful language, very useful, very flexible,
can be used as a scripting language for programs written for this, can even
replace batch files. A REXX file is not a batch file, REXX is a programming
language. REXX is the easiest programming language.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Scott Jones                                       05-Nov-99 15:17:02
  To: Tony Pater                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ?

-=> On 31 Oct 99  12:51:54, Tony Pater wrote to All <=-


 TP>  Could someone in the forum therefore, assist me in the
 TP>  procedure :

 TP>    How does one obtain an ID ?

You need to register using the ICQ client software.  For this, you could
use the Java ICQ client if under OS/2 (it can be a bit slow, but you
should only need to use it the one time to register), or just use an
existing client running on a Windows machine (user profiles are kept on
Mirabilis' servers, so all you would need to do when using ICQ on any
machine is plug in your ICQ number and password).

 TP>    Does one need to register with ICQ homepage in order
 TP>    to 'use' ICQ programmes (of whatever OS) ?

According to Mirabilis, you need a running ICQ client in order to
register.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Linda Proulx                                      06-Nov-99 12:18:16
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Confirmation Needed

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Albert Sodyl wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-

 AS> Well, hopefully!  You don't want to stand there as OS/2 is patiently
 AS> waiting for you... it says "what can ms-dos do that I can't do?" sadly.

Still stuff to do in pre setup.  After all don't want to reinstall.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      06-Nov-99 12:31:04
  To: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> So if you ever load ANY sort of driver, then it WILL always take up
 PK> memory, except it wont matter in the slightest to the rest of the
 PK> machine because it is all VIRTUAL memory!

I guess what I want to do is maximise the 32 Mb of memory I have.  I use
to run DV & I would load some program specific drivers for that session
if they weren't needed in the general boot up.  That way I could run
more DV windows.  I guess that's what I'm trying to do here.  In order
to have more virtual sessions available to me generally I don't want to
take away anything from the original OS startup that may lose me 1 or 2
available sessions later that a specific need driver would take away
from my total available memory.

I trust this makes sense?


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      06-Nov-99 13:21:14
  To: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GW> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?

It's an AMI 386 dated 04/30/89.

 LP> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 months too
 LP> old.  And I don't think Warp would change that.

The AMI bios had to be after a certain date & this bios date was not.
At least that was the info given to the User Group.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      06-Nov-99 14:26:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 JS>> Make sure you work out your drive partitions as carefully as possible.

 LP> Have 2 hard drives setup as follows:

 LP> C - 1G
 LP> D - 1G

 AR> Both of those are way too large for any OS, such as OS/2, WinXX, DOS or
 AR> Linux. Although if I were a M$ addict, then 1GB might seem reasonable.

Why?

 LP> E,F,G - 500 MB
 LP> H - 1G
 LP> I - 1G
 LP> J - 500 MB set up with a double space drive for temp files & single use
 LP> files, eg Win installs.

 AR> I suggest you get rid of Double Space.  Most HD compression software
 AR> only slows the system down and increases the risk of loosing data.

Not using it for data, just 1 event or temp use.  I could lose
everything on the double drive & wouldn't care.

 AR> You didn't say which partitions are on which drives, nor their age nor
 AR> speed. IMO that does make some difference as to what goes where.

Drive 0 has @ 2.5 G total with C, E, F, G.

Drive 1 has @ 3.5 G total with D, H, I, J.

Not certain how old but sometime within the last 3 years I believe. Not
the fastest by present standards but OK.

None are seen as extended logical drives & C & D are seen as boot
drives. The are IDEs & are master/slaved but are both are seen as master
by diag programs.  Also run a SparQ, a Zip drive, a CD-ROM and have
other things in long term planning needing drive letters, especially in
SCSII.

 AR> C & D drives:
 AR> OS drives:
 AR> Make sure all of the partitions you want to install an OS on are
 within
AR> the 1st 1023 cylinders. WinXX (and those apps) like a primary

And this means?  All 1 G drive partitions have 16 bit cluster, all
smaller ones have 8.  Where would this be in the drive partition set up
know, taking in consideration I may add more hard drives later.  And say
I want to load Win9X and/or Linux later.

 AR> partition.  Normally I would suggest you make both C and D primary

From what I gather, all partitions are considered primary, no logical
extensions.

When I ran DOS 3.3 I had too many drive letters & don't want to get into
that again.  That's why these hard drives were set this way.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Anon,

Linda

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       06-Nov-99 07:11:00
  To: PETER KNAPPER                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Missing Window control...

Some senseless babbling from Peter Knapper to All
on 11-06-99  13:52 about Missing Window control......

 PK> Hi Folks,

 PK> My Warp 4 FP9 system has been running fine for many months, however
 PK> about a month ago an odd intermittent problem appeared. After running
 PK> non-stop for several days, the system suddenly loses SOME of the window
 PK> controls, mainly noticed though the MOVE and SIZE functions. Once the
 PK> problem appears, I can no longer move a Window by dragging it from the
 PK> Title line, and the MOVE option on the Window menu no longer turns the
 PK> border into dashes and allows the window to be moved. Similar, I can no
 PK> longer re-size a window that would normally allow this to happen.
[snip]

 PK> Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas on what might be causing
 PK> it? I have not changed anything in the past 3 months that would appear
 PK> to be relevant, but I guess anything is possible...

 PK> Is it possible that a WPS restart might resolve this issue (there was
 PK> no obvious automatic WPS restart), if so is there an easy way to force
 PK> this to happen without a full system shutdown/restart?

I've never seen anything like it.  My first guess would be to suspect a WPS
enhancer as the root cause.

Given what you provided, a WPS restart would likely clear the problem.  If
you can get to a command line, then this is easily accomplished by killing
the second instance of PMSHELL.EXE, with a process killer such as GO.EXE.

If it doesn't want to die (stuck in the exit list), then you'll just have
to reboot.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... I think I'm gonna throw up.  Better bring me a bucket.

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       06-Nov-99 07:14:00
  To: FRED SPRINGFIELD                                  07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: PM Sessions

Some senseless babbling from Fred Springfield to All
on 11-05-99  16:21 about PM Sessions...

 FS> Perhaps this was covered a couple of years ago, but I have forgotten
 FS> the answer.

 FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

 FS> I have made an object for it, but the MINIMIZED=YES parameter in the
[snip]

The short answer is that you can't.

If you create an object manually (without REXX), you'll notice that as soon
as you put in the name of the PM executable, all of the options are greyed
out, including the "start minimized" radio button.

There's no mechanism to force PM programs to start in any particular state,
so unless the program has its own "start minimized" setting, you're out of
luck.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... IF (warranty=expired) then (equipment=broke)

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       06-Nov-99 07:16:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Win9XX Question

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-05-99  10:15 about Win9XX Question...

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> Once I set up my Warp & have multiboot with it & DOS, how would I load
 LP> Win9XX on it & multiboot. That is if I ever decide to use it.

 LP> Just asking. <RBG>

Win95 is basically Win 3.x, with the only primary difference that you can
install the bulk of its data on a drive other than C:.  It does, however,
still require drive C: to boot from (even Windows NT does).  So, to install
Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need to give up DOS, since it'll overwrite it when
installing.

The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like System
Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files of the operating
systems it supports.  It allows you to install any number of OS's on the
same partition, and choose which to boot at startup.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Andrew Belov                                      05-Nov-99 23:27:22
  To: Daniela Engert                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Odin

Hello Daniela!

In a msg originally to Linda Proulx, Daniela Engert said:

 LP>> How has it been working on your system so far?

 DE> This largely depends on the APIs an app uses. If none of the 'exotic'
APIs
 DE> (like COM/DCOM or 16bit thunks) is needed, things work very fine so far.
 DE> Don't ask me for particular apps, as a developer I focus my efforts on a
 DE> limited set of as small as possible apps to find my way through the
 DE> traces.

By the way, a recent WarpCast report mentioned some "major rewrite" of Odin
source code. Does it mean that Open32 dependencies have been finally cleaned
out, or the developers have found a way to overcome the limits of that
outdated API?

                                                   Good luck.

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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   06-Nov-99 20:29:00
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Hobbes CD-ROM

From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360

 -=> Quoting Dan Egli to All <=-

 DE> Say $10US seems fair to me. It will be a couple weeks before I can D/L
 DE> the whole archive tho. Now if people want to help me out in this

If it's $10 for whole archive, count me too. :-)

Posjetite: http://www.targetshop.com/users/level1.asp?refId=349351

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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   06-Nov-99 20:29:00
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: NumLock

From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to All <=-

 JP> Just looked around and was pleasantly surprised to find it on Hobbes
 JP> in PUB\OS2\UTIL\SYSTEM  It's slightly newer (1995) than my 1994
 JP> version.

 ET> OK, thanks. I'll download it from there.

Since I just came in, would you mind to post filename again, if it is
about a program that will set numlock ON for all OS/2 sessions?

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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   06-Nov-99 20:29:00
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Epson print problem

From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360

If someone can help me resolve this problem, I would be very happy
man. :-))

I have Epson Stylus Color 400 printer, and can't make it print under
OS/2. It works fine under W95. I have installed driver from archieve
EPSON1011.ZIP (Epson Germany driver) but it doesn't print (almost).  It
prints from applications that don't use PM (OS/2 Commander and BlueWave
for OS/2 for instance) and from Acrobat Reader for OS/2.  But if I try
to print from Netscape Navigator this is what I get:

Unable to start print job due to 
insufficient memory or invalid printer
specification.

If I press PrtSc the message is:

PMPRTSCR Failure

Unable to access your printer.
Please verify that your default 
printer is set up correctly by
checking your printer settings.

Attempt to print from PMView ends up with SYS3170 (I think).

Needles to say, I have tryed everything that I could think of, but
without any success. Any help, please?

System is Cx233 with 32MB SDRAM and Warp 4 at FP9 level.

BTW, there is some Epson driver on IBM site under os2/ddpak/epomni.exe

Is it worth trying?

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From: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 12:55:13
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Missing Window control...

Hi Andy,

 PK> Is it possible that a WPS restart might resolve this issue (there
 PK> was no obvious automatic WPS restart), if so is there an easy way
 PK> to force this to happen without a full system shutdown/restart

 AR> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder
 AR> wptool31.zip
 AR>     contains (among many other good things):
 AR>         resetwps.exe
 AR>         resetwps.ico
 AR>         resetwps.txt

I tried using Watchcat to terminate the WPS but the same error was present
when it restarted (I had forgotten that I had enabled the KILL function in
Warpcentre.....;-().

 AR> Also from that same package, I recommend you run: 
 AR> CHECKINI /C /S /Y:2 /L1.LOG

Nope already checked that, no INI problems detected either.....;-(

I suspect this symptom is more a code issue that is causing problems elsewhere 
within the OS itself and not specifically with the WPS. When forced to
restart, the WPS appears with the EXACT same error condition, however a full
shutdown/restart brings the WPS up normal BUT with the Window list very small
from a resizing I attempted with the problem present. This suggests to me the
cause is not within the WPS itself...

When the system was Shutdown/Restarted, the new Window List was visible but
narrow (less than 1 inch wide) and relocated to the screen position I had
attempted to move it to when the problem first appeared, but it was NOT
reduced to a single pixel vertical line like the original fault and the
ALT-F7/F8 keys worked again!

At this stage its just annoying, not a totally fatal problem. I have a habit
of naming my continuously running sessions with names starting with unique
numbers, so its not essential to see the actual Window List. This way I can
press CTL-ESC, 1, ENTER and I will go to BBS Line 1, CTL-ESC, 2, ENTER for BBS 
line 2, etc... One thing I haven't tried is to see what ALT-TAB does, although 
that only works for PM sessions and most of the BBS stuff is Text mode...

Cheers.............pk.


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From: Francois Thunus                                   06-Nov-99 23:16:00
  To: John Thompson                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: DAT

Hello John!

04 Nov 99 20:59, John Thompson wrote to Francois Thunus:

 JT> "tar" is available for all the platforms you mention (DOS, OS/2,
 JT> NT and linux) but I am not sure of appropriate tape drive support
 JT> under DOS or NT.   In OS/2 you can use the "gtak/gtar" package
 JT> with an SCSI tape unit and the tapes will be fullt readable under
 JT> linux.

that 'll be enough, thank you :-)

 JT> In linux itself tape drive support (SCSI, IDE, floppy-
 JT> based) comes with the kernel sources; you just have to configure
 JT> it in when you compile a kernel.  Best of all, "tar" is free and
 JT> quite versatile, but it is not the easiest program to learn to
 JT> use.

I know tar. I just wasn't aware that therte was a tar support for scsi tapes
under os/2. Now that I know it, there is no longer any problem. I have been
doing tar/gzip backup of unix systems for tha past ten years at least. I'll
hunt the os/2 version. thanks a bunch.


                             -= Francois =-

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From: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 17:37:27
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Hi Linda,

 LP> I guess what I want to do is maximise the 32 Mb of memory I have.  I use
 LP> to run DV & I would load some program specific drivers for that session
 LP> if they weren't needed in the general boot up. 

Ahaaa, I ran DV/QEMM for several years before I moved to OS/2 1.3, so now I
see where you are coming from. The DV/QEMM Memory management model has only
very minor parallels to OS/2 as far as the REAL memory in the machine is
concerned, however because OS/2 adds in the Swap file, the overall effect is a 
VASTLY difference in capability. 

With DV/QEMM, each DV "window" (for want of a better term) is fixed in size.
If you have 2MB memory and you want to run 400Kb "windows", then you can only
get a MAXIMUM of 5 of these windows open at any one time. With OS/2, no such
limitation exists, ALL memory is virtual and is PAGED to the swap file. In
fact you dont really need to even THINK about this, it is totally transparent
to the user.

As a quick comparison, I have 2 OS/2 machines here, the BBS and this machine.
The BBS has 13 Tasks, 30 Processes, and 120 Threads running. The machine I am
typing on has 19 Tasks, 43 Processes and 147 threads. The BBS is dedicated to
the task and has all its normal BBS functions running, including LAN services. 
It has 32Mb RAM and has 3.4Mb unused of that RAM. My machine has 128Kb RAM and 
67MB of that memory unused. So neither machine currently needs to use SWAP
space, but as you can see there is certainly plenty of programs running on
each. 

Now 3 weeks ago the BBS machine had a motherboard fail and it ran temporarily
on an old 486DX33 with 16Mb memory. EVERYTHING running now ran then, the only
changes I had to make was to swap out the PCI LAN card and the PCI SCSI
controller with ISA equivalents, because the 486 does not have any PCI slots.
Otherwise, everything still ran exactly as it is now, except on the 486 board
it did a lot more swapping, but I had to change NOTHING in that part of the
configuration. Everything is handled automatically...

So you can see that unlike DV/QEMM, memory is NOT a hard limit with OS/2.

 LP> In order to have more virtual sessions available to me 
 LP> generally I don't want to take away anything from the 
 LP> original OS startup that may lose me 1 or 2 available 
 LP> sessions later that a specific need driver would take 
 LP> away from my total available memory.

The session limit you talk about simply does NOT EXIST under OS/2! 

 LP> I trust this makes sense?

Well your thinking was valid for a DV/QEMM style environment, but none of it
makes any sense for an OS/2  VIRTUAL environment. You will find life MUCH
easier with OS/2, in this respect...

I hope this helps..........pk.


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From: Holger Granholm                                   06-Nov-99 20:38:00
  To: John Thompson                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 11-04-99, John Thompson said to Holger Granholm:

JT>internet, although people running BBS's find vmodem particularly
JT>handy because it allows their serial-modem based BBS software to
JT>transparently work over a tcp/ip network connection.  But it
JT>works just as well from the client side.

Thanks for the explanation. One more misconception down the drain.<BG>

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         05-Nov-99 09:16:01
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 DD>> I'm responding to this in a motel room in Houston, TX., but when I
 DD>> get  back home, I'll post the exact information being shown by
 DD>> OS/2's FDISK ie;  the Type B partition, the unusual Freespace sizes
 DD>> being reported, etc.

 JDBP>> The results of FDISK /QUERY and the output of PARTLIST (from
 JDBP>> the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0, OS2CLU02.RAR on
 JDBP>> Andy's BBS and elsewhere) would probably be the most helpful
 JDBP>> to people.

 JS> I think he might need OS/2 installed to do that though, but thats just
 JS> a guess:-)  

No he doesn't need OS/2 installed at all.  One can run both PARTLIST and FDISK 
/QUERY when one has booted from the installation floppy discs and pressed F3
to invoke a command line.

  JdeBP 

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From: Herbert Bushong                                   06-Nov-99 06:47:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

::> AR>BTW, there is nothing special about Terminate to use Telnet.  Any
::> AR>terminal prgm will work with VModem.  I haven't tried ZOC, ....

::> I'll have to check it. I've got that installed here in OS/2 instead of
::> Telix that I used extensively under DOS.

I used Telix with VModem under OS/2 as my telnet client of choice <g>

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From: Andy Roberts                                      06-Nov-99 22:53:22
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Get Going

 Linda Proulx,

06-Nov-99 14:26:02, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
 LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: Get Going

 JS>>> Make sure you work out your drive partitions as carefully as
 JS>>> possible.

 LP>> Have 2 hard drives setup as follows:

 LP>> C - 1G
 LP>> D - 1G

 AR>> Both of those are way too large for any OS, such as OS/2, WinXX,
 AR>> DOS or Linux. Although if I were a M$ addict, then 1GB might seem
 AR>> reasonable.

 LP> Why?

For OS/2 you should put ONLY the operating system files on it's partition, so
that if you ever have to re-install, which also should mean re-format with
the /L parameter, then you won't lose any apps or data.  You could put
NetScape, Java upgrades and Swapper.Dat all on the same drive with OS/2
(although I don't) and still not use even 500MB.  So the rest of your 1GB
will just be wasted free space.

With NetScape and Java treated like apps, since they do get upgrades, I put
them on a different partition, Warp4 only uses 238MB here.  If I had a 1GB
partition, then that would be 762MB of dead HD space that never gets used.

Well almost never gets used.  I suggest you leave about 100MB free for
archives and FixPak installation, although 50MB is probably enough.  And
Swapper.Dat can under extreme graphic conditions take 100MB (like with a
Scanner.)  I never do both of those at the same time.  Thus 100MB more than
the OS or about 350 for Warp4 and probably 250 for Warp3 should be plenty.  If
it were me with Warp3 then I would still make the partition big enough for
Warp4 and be optimistic about getting Warp4 before I would change that
partition size again.

Furthermore that extra unused space consumes cylinders which I might want to
use for some other OS within the 1st 1023 cylinders.

 LP>> E,F,G - 500 MB H - 1G I - 1G J - 500 MB set up with a double
 LP>> space drive for temp files & single use files, eg Win installs.

 AR>> I suggest you get rid of Double Space.  Most HD compression
 AR>> software only slows the system down and increases the risk of
 AR>> loosing data.

 LP> Not using it for data, just 1 event or temp use.  I could lose
 LP> everything on the double drive & wouldn't care.

I guess I just don't see any meaningful advantage to using Double Space, which
will slow your system down and not let any data that is there be seen from
OS/2.  OTOH I normally avoid anything that puts my system at a greater risk
without a very good reason.  And since I use OS/2 as my primary OS, I don't
hide anything from it.  Since you apparently have plenty of HD space, why
bother with Double Space?

 AR>> You didn't say which partitions are on which drives, nor their
 AR>> age nor speed. IMO that does make some difference as to what goes
 AR>> where.

 LP> Drive 0 has @ 2.5 G total with C, E, F, G.

 LP> Drive 1 has @ 3.5 G total with D, H, I, J.

 LP> Not certain how old but sometime within the last 3 years I
 LP> believe. Not the fastest by present standards but OK.

Typically, but not always, newer HDs are both larger and faster.  So without
looking at the specs (which you should do), my guess is that the 3.5GB may be
faster.  Thus it would be better to use it for the OSs and most active apps.

 LP> None are seen as extended logical drives

Possible but not likely.  I think this is a misunderstanding of definitions.
Start by considering it is not the "drive" that is "Extended Logical", but
rather the partitions on the drive that are "Extended Logical".  And that
"extension" lets the primary partition see the other partitions assigned other
drive letters.  OTOH if all your partitions were "primary", then none of them
would be able to see any of the others on the same HD.  [It's after 1AM, so I
hope I got that right.  If not, someone else will correct me, I'm sure. <g>]

 LP> & C & D are seen as boot drives.  The are IDEs & are master/slaved but
 LP> are both are seen as master by diag programs.  Also run a SparQ, a Zip
 LP> drive, a CD-ROM and have other things in long term planning needing
 LP> drive letters, especially in SCSII.

If you ever get a SCSI HD with a good controller, then you will very likely
want to use that as the boot drive, because it will probably be faster than
IDE.  This isn't the time to get into a long thread on SCSI, but depending on
your controller (such as a good Adaptec 2940) it can provide significant
advantages to a multitasking multithreaded OS such as OS/2, that are not all
that important for pure DOS and Win9X.

Another benefit of a SCSI HD is that I can tell the BIOS I don't have any IDE
HDs, which will prevent them from messing up the drive lettering sequence and
force them to use the letters following the SCSI HDs.  Thus all the drive
lettering will be in a straight sequence instead of jumping back to D etc.
AFAIK you can do the same thing with 2 IDE HDs by telling your BIOS you only
have 1 and let OS/2 find the other and assign the drive letters later.

 AR>> C & D drives:
 AR>> OS drives:
 AR>> Make sure all of the partitions you want to install an OS on are within
 AR>> the 1st 1023 cylinders. WinXX (and those apps) like a primary partition.

 LP> And this means?

The 1023 cylinder limit topic has been discussed so many times, that I'm sure
someone else will fill you in with great detail.  If not, then review some of
JdeBP's excellent technical discourses on that topic.

 LP> All 1 G drive partitions have 16 bit cluster, all smaller ones have 8.
 LP> Where would this be in the drive partition set up know, taking in
 LP> consideration I may add more hard drives later.  And say I want to load
 LP> Win9X and/or Linux later.

Boot up with your Install Floppies, but exit to the command line with F3
(since you don't have OS/2 installed yet), and then run JdeBP's OS2CLU02.ZIP
PartList.exe and take a good look at the output of that prgm.  It should tell
you (with some explanation from JdeBP) more than what you want to know.

 AR>> Normally I would suggest you make both C and D primary

 LP> From what I gather, all partitions are considered primary, no
 LP> logical extensions.

On this system here with 4 HDs I have a total of only 2 Primary partitions.
The 1st primary partition is for Boot Manager.  On that same HD the 2nd
primary partition is for Win98.  All the rest of my partitions on that HD and
all other HDs are Extended Logical partitions.  Take a close look at the drive
lettering assignments and types from my FDISK /QUERY output I posted in the
previous msg of this thread.

If I ever add another HD then I will make it all Extended Logical partitions
too, and those drive letters will follow all my existing HD lettering, so
nothing will get jumbled up by inserting a letter like D in front of my
existing setup.

In your case I would put at least 3 and maybe 4 primary partitions on the 1st
and fastest HD.  1 for BM, 1 for WinXX, 1 for OS/2 and 1 for Linux.  All of
those should be within the 1st 1023 cylinders.  If not then OS/2 FDISK will
not let you make them bootable.  And JdeBP's PartList will give you cylinder
warnings too.

 LP> When I ran DOS 3.3 I had too many drive letters & don't want to
 LP> get into that again.  That's why these hard drives were set this
 LP> way.

I agree about making too may drive letters.  But if you look back at what I
did from my previous msg, then you will see I haven't even come close to the
limit.  M is my last HD.  N is my CDROM.  The CDR gets Z.  If I removed 2 of
my 3 extra HDs and put them in another machine with a NIC then it would be L
(which is no coincidence.)  But I don't assign drive letters according to how
much total HD space I have nor how many HDs I have.  I assign drive letters
according to what special purpose that partition is going to serve.  So it is
very easy to stay within the limits.

You are on a complex topic.  I doubt you will totally grasp it all until after
you have installed OS/2 at least once.  With that assumption, making your OS
partitions no larger than necessary should become obvious.  Which takes us
back to the top of this msg.

The previous advice about doing your planning on paper is very old and common.
I might add, do it in pencil with a good eraser, since that is easier to
change.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Daitengu                                          06-Nov-99 20:33:00
  To: RODRIGO CESAR BANHARA                             07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: fido access by telnet

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to All <=-

 RCB> Hi folks!

 RCB> What are the telnet sites for fido access?

 RCB> Only sites with door bluewave, please!!

 RCB> == Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==


   hrmm... wrong echo .. but anyway .. I have QWK access on my BBS ..
   (not bluewave, but works fine) telnet://damageinc.dynip.com

   otherwise check the BBS ads echo


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From: Daitengu                                          06-Nov-99 20:48:00
  To: ALBERT SODYL                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

 -=> Quoting Albert Sodyl to Herbert Rosenau <=-

 AS> Hey HERBERT ROSENAU, what's up?

 AS> HERBERT ROSENAU was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2
 AS> 2.1 IS  dead.!
 
 AS>> I know OS/2 v2.1 are no longer supported, but I still need to
 AS>> find the latest fixpack for it because it's the only version that
 AS>> I will ever use, all other one's are very expensive to me, I got
 AS>> 2.1 free from a friend.
 
 HR> It does not help! OS/2 prior WARP 3 is and would NOT be Y2K ready!

 AS> I don't mind.... I'm not a rich person, I got OS/2 2.1 for free... and
 AS> that's my only choice, unless you want me to run windows 3.1!
 
 HR> Go to ebay.com. There you can find OS/2 WARP 4 for less than $50.

 AS> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website
 AS> you're talkign about, is that used or not?  I'd rather prefer not used.
 AS> And I don't have a CD rom drive either.

     Son, you need a new computer :)  .. E-bay (http://www.ebay.com)
     is an online auction ... most likely the product is used, but sometimes
     you can find it new...

... Not tonight, dear.  I have a modem.
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From: Will Honea                                        07-Nov-99 13:34:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 13:34:00
Subj: Missing Window control..

Peter Knapper wrote to All on 11-06-1999

PK> My Warp 4 FP9 system has been running fine for many months,
PK> however about a  month ago an odd intermittent problem appeared.
PK> After  running non-stop for several days, the system suddenly  loses
PK> SOME of the window controls, mainly noticed though  the MOVE and
PK> SIZE functions. Once the problem appears, I  can no longer move a
PK> Window by dragging it from the Title  line, and the MOVE option on
PK> the Window menu no longer  turns the border into dashes and allows
PK> the window to be  moved. Similar, I can no longer re-size a window
PK> that would  normally allow this to happen.

Peter, this was my main reason for going to FP10 - FP9 did that to me
as well.  As I understood it then, it was related to video drivers and
pmmerge.dll issues.  I would suggest you bypass some irritating
'improvements' to the file system introduced by FP10/11 and go straight
to fp12.  

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        07-Nov-99 13:42:01
  To: Fred Springfield                                  07-Nov-99 13:42:01
Subj: PM Sessions

Fred Springfield wrote to All on 11-05-1999

FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?
FS> 
FS> I have made an object for it, but the MINIMIZED=YES parameter in
FS> the setup string has no effect on it at all.  Also, the Session page
FS> in the settings notebook shows the minimized option checked, but the
FS> whole page is grayed out due to it being a PM style of program.
FS> 
FS> I have also tried changing the object data after the program is
FS> open, but this also does not do anything--unlike the window controls
FS> which will minimize it if you click on the minimized option on the
FS> menu, with a mouse.
FS> 
FS> The program in question happens to be Post Road Mailer, which I am
FS> trying to start from a rexx control program in such a way that it
FS> is not visible on the desktop.  The control program wants PRM to
FS> just send out queued up messages, and then quit--without appearing
FS> on the desktop. 

Fred, open the properties folder.  On the Progam page, change the
"program.exe" to read "program.ex" then go to the next page and all the
boxes are available.  Set the min/max and wahtever else you want (make
sure it still indicates an OS/2 session) then go back and change the
spelling of "program.ex" to the correct name.  Cloase the folder and
press on. 

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Lee Aroner                                        06-Nov-99 12:17:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      07-Nov-99 21:30:14
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

 AS>> I use OS/2 2.11 with fixpack XR_B108 installed, yet I don't know
 AS>> anything
   >> what you're talking about, I don't know anything about OS/2 :/

 LA> Could you just confirm for me that there is a file named
 LA> SYSLEVEL.OS2 in the \OS2\INSTALL directory?

AS> Yes, Lee, there is actually both a SYSLEVEL.OS2 and a SYSLEVEL.GRE.

   Thanks Albert...

                                       LRA


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From: Sean Dennis                                       06-Nov-99 19:22:02
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:30:14
Subj: Suppressing popups?

Hello All.

I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error messages
in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an "invalid statement" error 
upon bootup concerning that.  Any ideas how or why that isn't working anymore?

Thanks,
Sean

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   06-Nov-99 22:50:16
  To: Fred Springfield                                  07-Nov-99 21:30:14
Subj: PM Sessions

 FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

There is absolutly nothing that will bring alway a PM program to minimised
state during startup. This is because a PM program by itsel has the absolute
control over its windows. So a PM program CAN but must not aware of any
settings or commandine parameters.

Remember you have 3 levels to run a program:

- AVIO: is the primitve commanline. This does normally nothing know over
        any graphical interface - but it CAN know a little bit.
        The PM and WPS (your desktop) does nothing with the program itself.
        If you run such an application unter WPS it will manage the full
screen
        or a simple command window for it.
- PM  : is able to use all the full PM and GPI APIs but does normally
absolutly
        nothig know about the WPS. The WPS does nothing for the program other
        than to start it with or without parameters.
        Some programs are abled by its developers to know the WPS and interact
        with it more or less good.
        A well behaved program will open its window(s) in the same state as
        it/them where on close but it is not done automagigally as by
        WPS objects. A developer has to do some explicit and sometimes
        truly big overhead to do so.
- WPS object: This is what is controlled by WPS itself. The WPS has full
control
        over any view, the WPS will do anything you like for it.
        Some (seldom) objects are misbehaved but this is a desingn flaw of its
        developer.



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From: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 12:54:22
  To: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 21:30:14
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> So neither machine currently needs to use SWAP space, but as you can
 PK> see there is certainly plenty of programs running on each.

 PK> So you can see that unlike DV/QEMM, memory is NOT a hard limit with
 PK> OS/2.

If I'm reading you right, it's the swap file that limits what I can do?

 PK> Well your thinking was valid for a DV/QEMM style environment, but none
 PK> of it makes any sense for an OS/2  VIRTUAL environment. You will find
 PK> life MUCH easier with OS/2, in this respect...

Oh I really hope so. I'm so tired of Windows kacking out on me & task
switching is a drag.

Now all <G> I have to do is make certain I have my drivers, have my
backup solution ready, & partition magic all at the same time & in the
same place.

Did you see my post(s) about my hard drives?  What do you think of what
I originally wanted to do?


Anon,

Linda

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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   07-Nov-99 22:54:00
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 13:55:23
Subj: Re: Hobbes CD-ROM

From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360

 -=> Quoting Dan Egli to All <=-

 DE> Say $10US seems fair to me. It will be a couple weeks before I can D/L
 DE> the whole archive tho. Now if people want to help me out in this

If it's $10 for whole archive, count me too. :-)

Posjetite: http://www.targetshop.com/users/level1.asp?refId=349351

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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   07-Nov-99 22:54:00
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 13:55:23
Subj: Re: NumLock

From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to All <=-

 JP> Just looked around and was pleasantly surprised to find it on Hobbes
 JP> in PUB\OS2\UTIL\SYSTEM  It's slightly newer (1995) than my 1994
 JP> version.

 ET> OK, thanks. I'll download it from there.

Since I just came in, would you mind to post filename again, if it is
about a program that will set numlock ON for all OS/2 sessions?

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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   07-Nov-99 22:54:00
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 13:55:23
Subj: Epson print problem

From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360

If someone can help me resolve this problem, I would be very happy
man. :-))

I have Epson Stylus Color 400 printer, and can't make it print under
OS/2. It works fine under W95. I have installed driver from archieve
EPSON1011.ZIP (Epson Germany driver) but it doesn't print (almost).  It
prints from applications that don't use PM (OS/2 Commander and BlueWave
for OS/2 for instance) and from Acrobat Reader for OS/2.  But if I try
to print from Netscape Navigator this is what I get:

Unable to start print job due to 
insufficient memory or invalid printer
specification.

If I press PrtSc the message is:

PMPRTSCR Failure

Unable to access your printer.
Please verify that your default 
printer is set up correctly by
checking your printer settings.

Attempt to print from PMView ends up with SYS3170 (I think).

Needles to say, I have tryed everything that I could think of, but
without any success. Any help, please?

System is Cx233 with 32MB SDRAM and Warp 4 at FP9 level.

BTW, there is some Epson driver on IBM site under os2/ddpak/epomni.exe

Is it worth trying?

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From: Dave Davidson                                     07-Nov-99 08:20:09
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Nov-99 13:55:23
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Eddy,

05-Nov-99 10:14:03, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Dave Davidson
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32
 ET> 28 Oct 99 19:20, Dave Davidson wrote to Andy Roberts:

 DD>> Maybe, just maybe, someone will be able to unlock the secret that
 DD>> will permit me to install OS/2 on the machine in question.

 ET> You don't have a bootsector virus? Have you checked that?

 That had been suggested earlier and nothing was found by McAfee, Norton or
 Soloman virus utilities.

 Funny thing tho.... When I got back in town late Friday evening, I hooked
 up the 10.3GB drive, added the updated IBM1S506 driver to the install
 disk 1, everything worked and OS/2 is now loaded and running.

 OS/2 is only seeing and using a little over 8GB of the drive, but that's
 better than I was a few weeks ago. <g>

 Thanks to all for the suggestions made. Now, to clean up the other two
 HD's.

 
 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   07-Nov-99 10:11:14
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      08-Nov-99 13:55:23
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

 HR>> Go to ebay.com. There you can find OS/2 WARP 4 for less than $50.

 AS> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website
 AS> you're talkign about, is that used or not?  I'd rather prefer not
 AS> used. 

It's used. It is an auction side. You my find some interesting things - and
OS/2 WARP is there highly interesting! 

OS/2 WARP 3 (red/blue spine, Connect) is since some weeks not more supported
too.
...and mainly only on CD.

To become internet connectivity you have to buy at least WARP 3 Conncet.
Because WARP 3 red/blue has only a stripped tcp/ip 2.0 - and will never be Y2K 
ready.
WARP Connect and WARP 4 has tcp/ip 4.0 and there are Fixpacks to make it Y2K
ready.

So if you'll have actual Fixpacks, modern tcp/ip with fixes..... you would buy 
a (used) OS/2 WARP 4. 

 AS> And I don't have a CD rom drive either.

Do you like to handle with more than 30 diskettes to install an OS?. Plus
approximate 20 diskettes for a Fixpack + .....?

On ebay you my find a used CDR for a few $.

On other hand if you have got a friend with a CDR you my copy all needed
diskettes from CD to diskettes. On each WARP CD is a .cmd (startable under
OS/2) and a .bat (for DOS systems) for copying the dikette images to
diskettes.

I forgot:

Hardware requirement for

		WARP 3		WARP 4
CPU		I386		I486 (creeps on 386 too)
Memory		12 MB		16 MB (with Voice Type 24 or more)
Disk            250 MB          400 MB		(including swapper.dat)


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From: George White                                      06-Nov-99 07:19:15
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Network

Hi Russell,

On 02-Nov-99, Russell Tiedt wrote to Will Honea:


 RT> Will Honea wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 WH>> I'll answer, despite the last bit...  Warp Connect has full
 WH>> Peer-to-Peer facilities (Peer server, Lan requester, plus full
 WH>> protocol and transport facilities).  It will network quite well
 WH>> with other Warp Connect (and later OS/2) installations, windows
 WH>> for Workgruops, Win9x, and NT Workstation in Peer nets.  It is
 WH>> also capable of full participation on most (there are some
 WH>> odd-balls) LANS - be they OS/2, NT, or *Nix and/or internet.
 WH>> AFAIAA, Lantastic fits into the 'odd-ball' category.

Lantastic (certainly the older versions) fits totally into the
"odd-ball" category.

 RT> Somewhere I lack "understanding" as I have not yet got my Warp
 RT> Connect to talk to WIN95/98/ or WINNT 4.0. Not that I have tried
 RT> to hard lately, no time. :-(

I can assure you it does, as I've got it doing it here. It talks to
Warp 4, NT 3.51 and WfW 3.11 on my setup.

 RT> PS. not to mention Linux. :-))

Sorry, the Warp Connect machine is the one Linux runs on, so it can't
attempt networking with it... :-)


George

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From: George White                                      06-Nov-99 07:25:29
  To: Andy Roberts                                      08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Moderator

Hi Andy,

On 04-Nov-99, Andy Roberts wrote to Keith Kottwitz:

 AR> 03-Nov-99 19:54:51, Keith Kottwitz wrote to All Subject: Moderator

 KK>> I have decided to relinquish the moderator position to the person
 KK>> that the users elect for the position.

 AR> Sorry to see you go!

Me too. Who's going to organise the election?

 KK>> I'll be leaving fidonet as an active node by the end of the year

 AR> That's even worse.  How about just taking a Point address?

Keith, I do hope you don't disappear totally.

George

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         06-Nov-99 19:43:15
  To: Lee Aroner                                        08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: File Systems

 LE>> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware.
 LE>> Netware creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access
 LE>> such files. The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor
 LE>> "settable" (at least in my version of Netware). 

 JdBP>> I disagree.  The better way to fix this problem would be for OS/2's
 JdBP>> VDM  kernel and the VDOS VDD to support the new DOS API calls that 
 JdBP>> were created for MS-DOS version 7.  They mirror various existing DOS 
 JdBP>> API calls, such as "open file", but allow the use of long filenames 
 JdBP>> as parameters.

 LA> I gotta agree with this. In fact, was thinking yesterday about    
 LA> how it should be possible to create an IFS to do just this for    
 LA> DOS and Win apps...

Creating an IFS wouldn't do any good.  What is required is a VDD.  If is the
VDD layer that filters out the non-8.3 filenames, not the IFS drivers.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Nov-99 11:10:05
  To: Andy Roberts                                      08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 JdBP>> 18-09-98  17:05  2,773     21  convert_description.cmd
 JdBP>> 11-03-98  16:22  2,322  7,275  convert_global.cmd
 JdBP>> 20-11-97  17:51  1,345  3,343  get_00global.cmd

 AR>>> So would you please send me what you can, and save me some time
 AR>>> searching?

 JdBP>> I'll post them again in the OS2REXX echo.

 AR> Got them all thanks!
 AR> ---
 AR> Convert_Description.Cmd  18-09-98  3,245
 AR> Convert_Global.Cmd       11-03-98  2,775
 AR> Get_Global.Cmd           20-11-97  1,478
 AR> ---

 AR> The sizes differ (all larger) [After removing the msg stuff] probably
 AR> REXX comments.  

I converted tabs to spaces for posting in Fidonet.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Nov-99 12:00:16
  To: Dan Egli                                          08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 >>> I would probably be interested in getting a copy from you.  How much $

 >> Say $10US seems fair to me. It will be a couple weeks before I can D/L
 >> the [...]

 SB> Hobbes is about 3GB in size. That's about 5 CD's (if my math is
 SB> correct). Not bad for $10! I'd be interested in that deal also.

I look at it this way:  I currently pay the Pound Sterling equivalent of
$19.95 for an "Hobbes" CD-ROM from Walnut Creek that comprises two CDs.  A
real Hobbes CD-ROM set would be around twice the size of the Walnut Creek
effort, and up to date to boot.  So I'd be willing to pay anything up to twice 
the price for it.

I strongly suggest that you contact the Hobbes maintainer first.  I seem to
recall from reading the blurb on the site that he dislikes what he calls
"leech sites", which are sites that do mass FTPs of the archive without
warning him, and takes measures against them such as blocking their IP
addresses.  If you tell him what you are going to do beforehand, you can
probably arrange to do it at a time of lower traffic.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Nov-99 12:08:26
  To: Fred Springfield                                  08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: PM Sessions

 FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

That requires the coperation of the PM program itself.  If it doesn't
minimise when started with START /PM /MIN, then there's probably nothing that
you can do.  It is up to the program to query these flags when it starts up
and to alter its window accordingly.

( For the curious: PM programs call WinQueryTaskSizePos to obtain the
recommended size, position, and state of their main window which was derived
from the startup data passed to DosStartSession or WinStartApp.  Using the
FCF_SHELLPOSITION flag on a frame control simply means that the WM_CREATE
processing in the frame control's window function will do this internally.  )

I'm sorry to say that I've committed this same sin myself.  I'm correcting
DIGCLOCK, ANACLOCK, PMCMD, CPUIDG, WINSIGHT, and CALCTZ to respect the
maximised/minimised flags right now.  Thak you for bringing it to my
attention.

  JdeBP 

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From: Peter Knapper                                     08-Nov-99 19:58:25
  To: Linda Proulx                                      08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Hi Linda,

 PK> So you can see that unlike DV/QEMM, memory is NOT a hard limit with
 PK> OS/2.

 LP> If I'm reading you right, it's the swap file that limits what I can do?

No, its the human brain that provides the limit......;-) As I said before, the 
LIMITS you are thinking of do NOT exist in those terms. I should point out
that the OS/2 SWAP file is NOTHING like any SWAP file you have seen on a
Windows environment. On this machine for example, my CONFIG.SYS contains a
line that reads -

  SWAPPATH=E:\ 32768 2048

And this line means -
  1. The SWAP file will be SWAPPER.DAT (the standard name for the file) and it 
is to be placed in the Root Directory of drive E:.
  2. Allow the SWAP file to grow to whatever size it needs until there is NO
LESS THAN 32MB free on that drive. That partition has about 140MB free so the
SWAP could expand to about 108MB before OS/2 started giving me warnings. With
128Mb RAM I could load up about 230+Mb of applications before the warnings
appear...
  3. At system boot up, DELETE ANY EXISTING SWAPPER.DAT and allocate an
initial 2Mb of space to the SWAP file. This machine has 128Mb RAM so a SWAP
file is rarely needed. On the BBS with 32MB RAM, that line reads something
like -

  SWAPPATH=C:\ 32768 32768

On the BBS I expect the SWAP file to be used more than my machine so I
allocate a larger amount of SWAP file (32MB) for the occasions it is needed.
C: is a single 200MB SCSI drive and contains ONLY OS/2, and the BBS Executable 
files, no data files. BBS operations dont touch it so head movement is low and 
response is usually very fast. ALL BBS files/operations take place on another
Physical drive.

From the above you may have noticed some differences in the way the OS/2 SWAP
file works compared to Windows. The Windows environment allocates a FIXED SWAP 
file size per boot, however the OS/2 SWAP file is dynamic, it will grow and
contract automatically as the need arises during the runing of the machine,
PROVIDED you allow it to do this.

While there is no "fixed" method of calculating sizes, general thinking
suggests that you should never over-commit REAL memory by more than about
100%, IE with 32MB RAM, your SWAP file should not be allowed to grow to more
than about 32MB. I have had a swap file up to 74MB on a 32Mb machine, so it
was HEAVILY over-committed (200+%), however the machine continued to run fine, 
even if there was a lot of HD activity that slowed things down a bit. When the 
offending application ended (a graphics manipulation program that I needed to
run on a very large image), the swap file reduced back to 32MB no problems.
All this is automatic, you dont need to even think about it until you wish to
change it...


 LP> Oh I really hope so. I'm so tired of Windows kacking out on me & task
 LP> switching is a drag.

Well a multi-tasking OS must constanly switch tasks, but with OS/2 its all
automatic so its not such a drag...........;-)


 LP> Did you see my post(s) about my hard drives?  What do you think of what
 LP> I originally wanted to do?

I saw it, but laying out partitions and drives is not a simple task, you need
to know much more about HOW a machine is going to be used, and not just what
data goes on the disks, to get this right. I dont think I am exagerating to
say that I spent about 2 years in adapting from the DOS way of thinking about
partitions, to a way that made more sense with OS/2. My basic partition layout 
changed many times, and in ALL cases it was because I decided that I HAD to
change the way I thought about things. I can tell you now, whatever you start
out with will NOT be your final solution, it WILL change........;-) 

Whats probably more important, once you "undo" all the DOS think, you will
find that whatever you do with OS/2, will probably apply very close to any
other OS you wish to try.

As human beings we all like to feel comfortable with things we know and
understand. When something new comes along we will try and use it the way we
know, but eventually we realise we HAVE to adapt our understanding to better
match the new capabilities we have available.

For example, this machine currently has the following partition layout -
Drive 0 4GB
        Boot Manager
        C: Primary        30MB  FAT - Non-bootable
        D: Extended      500MB  HPFS - OS/2 Warp 3 Connect
        E: Extended      500MB  HPFS - OS/2 Warp 4
        F: Extended        1GB  HPFS - Work area
        G: Extended        2GB  HPFS - Applications/Data storage

I haven't booted Warp 3 (D:) in over 15 months, but its there if I need it.
Drive C: has some DOS utilities installed, but its not bootable. This allows
me to boot from Floppy and run some DOS specific apps if the need arises, any
viruses that do try and get fancy can play with C: but wont harm anything. As
long as I am still running OS/2, if I ever decide to leave DOS off my HD's,
then ALL partitions will be Extended partitions, life is MUCH easier that
way...

I last booted DOS (from floppy) about 2 months ago to run a DOS hardware
tester on a Network card I needed to test before I put it in the BBS machine,
but prior to that its been 3+ YEARS since I lasted booted DOS, and that was
just to check out H/W again! The last time ANY of my machines ran for more
than 1 day NOT under OS/2 would be about 1990, or even earlier, and that would 
have been DOS/DV. 

I better stop rambling, there is probably not too much I can add to the
comments you have already seen regarding your partition layout, you will soon
discover for yourself what will work well for YOU.

Cheers............pk.


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From: Herbert Bushong                                   07-Nov-99 04:02:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

::> HB>No Holger, you don't. I used VModem with my dialup account to telnet
::> HB>out. Others have also used it for inbound telnet on a dialup
::> HB>account (slow though for mor than one or two inbounds at a time).

::> Yeah, by now I know better thanks. One of these days I'll check up ZOC
::> to see if it contains something useful.

I used plain old Telix for DOS with VModem to do my telneting under OS/2 :)

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From: Jack Stein                                        05-Nov-99 18:34:27
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Why to use FAT instead of HPFS

Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> Speaking of drives, is there anyway to fix a HDD controller on a
 JS> drive?  I have a Seagate 2 gig drive that lost its controller,
 JS> whatever that is.  Thats the first HD failure I've had since around
 JS> 1985 when my 10 meg "winchester" drive failed...  I've run all WD

 JDBP> Without knowing the exact details of what "lost its
 JDBP> controller" means, I couldn't tell you.

The error message was "HDD controller failure"  Thats it.  The system wouldn't 
boot with that drive in, wouldn't get past checking the drives.  I could run
FDISK from the install disks, but the drive was not listed.  

 JDBP> I doubt that you'd be able to find replacements for the
 JDBP> integrated drive electronics on the drive unit itself, if
 JDBP> those are indeed what failed, without coming to some special
 JDBP> arrangement with the manufacturer.

I suspected that, although I was curious of whether that message actually was
correct.  I've seen lots of error messages that were not really accurate over
the years, this one probably was.  It was used only for a back-up disk, and
also had a 504 meg DOS partition with WIN95 crap on it, that I didn't care if
I lost or not.  Since I only paid $25 bucks for the drive used several years
ago, I guess I didn't lose much.  

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        06-Nov-99 07:35:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Re: Get Going

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> Make sure you work out your drive partitions as carefully as possible.
 JS> Do it on paper and give it a lot of thought, possibly post your
 JS> thoughts here as you will get a lot of opinions on how to partition.

 LP> Have 2 hard drives setup as follows:

 LP> C - 1G
 LP> D - 1G
 LP> E,F,G - 500 MB
 LP> H - 1G
 LP> I - 1G
 LP> J - 500 MB set up with a double space drive for temp files &
 LP> single use files, eg Win installs.

I assume thats 2 2.5 gig drives with E:, F: and G: sharing 500MB?  My personal 
feeling is to reduce your boot partitions in size by a LOT.  WIN95 need
perhaps 200MB, WARP 3 150, WARP 4 I'm not sure, I haven't installed it yet.  

 LP> Plan to install Warp on D & have E & possibly H as HPSF
 LP> drives for OS/2 only use programs as such as Win programs &
 LP> leave the rest for DOS stuff. 

I would not install WARP on a FAT partition, make it HPFS.  Make ALL your
partitions HPFS except those that will house WIN95 and it's applications/data.
Also remember you can only see ONE primary partition.  You MUST make your
WIN95 partition a primary partition.  OS/2 doesn't REQUIRE a primary
partition, it will boot from a logical partition.  This gives you a choice of
letting OS/2 see the WIN95 partition or not.  If you make 2 primary partitions 
(both will be C: and only one at a time can be active (seen)) then OS/2 will
never see your WIN95 partition.  If you make your OS/2 partition a logical
partition, then, you will be able to use your WIN95 partition (C:) when booted 
to OS/2 from your logical partitions (D: or E:)  I have 3 boot partitions, 2
are primary and one is logical.  My main OS/2 partition that I use is a
primary, so it is C: and I can't mess with my WIN95 partition when booted to
OS/2.  If I were to do it over, I would probably change both OS/2 partition so 
I could have access to my WIN95 partition at all times.

 LP> Am considering uninstalling
 LP> the double space but it is good for DOS program temp files.

 LP> Right now all Win related programs are on E & F.  G has my
 LP> BBS related stuff, C all DOS/computer utilities/drivers. D
 LP> editors, games, & misc. stuff.

Since you have two drives, I would try to back up everything, or everything I
wanted to keep that was not easy to install onto the second drive.  I would
put each partition in a directory named after the partition like CDRIVE or
DDRIVE and use a utility that would back it up into subdirectories matching
those on the drive.  (that makes it easy to restore later)  Use zip and save
the directories if you want, that works great.  Next, I'd install OS/2 and
FDISK and repartition my first drive, creating a bootmanager partition, and 2
or 3 boot partitions (I would keep them under 504MB in TOTAL.  (Thats why I
have 2 150MB and one 200MB partitions)  Since you don't need, nor should you
have your boot partitions as larger than this anyway, why make them any bigger 
than your system can read w/o drive translation. 

The rest of the drive is up to you to partition any way you want.  Just
remember that WIN95 cannot see HPFS partitions, and HPFS partitions are 10
times better than FAT partitions.  DOS and WIN3x run about PERFECT under OS/2, 
and with those running under OS/2, they work perfect in an HPFS partition.
It's only when booted to DOS/WIN95 that you can't use an HPFS partition.

 LP> Not planning to run any Win9X & if I ever do still have I
 LP> partition as potential for that use.

I would still install 3 boot partitions.  Make 2 OS/2 partitions, and install
OS/2 in both of them.  Make one the one you generally use, and one a copy of
that.  If you screw up one, you always have the other, or, if you want to test 
something like a Fixpac, or play around with something iffy, you don't need to 
worry, you have a spare just in case something goes wrong.  Later, when you
want to install win or linux, or, a new version of OS/2, you can reformat the
partition, install whatever you want.

 JS> megs total, you don't even need LBA addressing for your large 
 JS> drives.

 LP> What is LBA?

Large Block Addressing.  PC hardware cannot read large partitions (usually not 
over 504MB)  DOS and FAT need fancy crap to get around this limitation to read 
larger drives.  OS/2 doesn't have a problem with large numbers so, it is only
the boot partitions that must be under 1024 cylinders.  Once the system boots
past the system bios, OS/2 no longer uses the system to read the drives, it
loads it's own bios in memory, and it can count very large numbers, so no disk 
mangler softer is needed.  This is important to old systems like mine that
cannot do LBA.  I'm not a hardware guru, nor a system designer, so my
description may not be 100% accurate, but that is the gist of it.

 JS> the stuff on it I needed, no back-up was necessary.  That's the 
 JS> easiset thing to do, and you get a nice new drive out of the 
 JS> deal:-)

 LP> Not possible at this time. <G>

Understood.  Use your second drive to back up your first.  Then, your first
drive is free for you to FDISK and generally mess around with.  Make sure you
understand how the drive letters will look when you are finished.  The big
issue here is whether your second drive has a primary partition on it or not.  
If it does, it will be D:, not matter what.  This screws things up
tremendously, particularly when adding other drives, or replacing that drive.  
You are much better off not having a primary partition on the second drive,
that way, it is easier to figure, configure and reconfigure your drives.

If you have no primary's on your second drive, you will have like C: D: E: on
the first drive, F: G: H: on the second.  If you have a primary there, your
first partition on Drive 0 will be C:.  Your D: drive will be the primary on
drive 1.  E: will be the second partition on drive 0.  You can see this can be 
confusing later on.

Oh, one more tip.  When naming your drives, name them with things like HPFS G:
and HPFS BU F, WINDATA H.  That way, when you change things around, like
adding or replacing a drive, you don't get too screwed up with drive letters
changing.  You will know what drive you are looking at by what you named it. 
The actual letters might change but you know what it used to be.  This can be
very helpful, I learned that the hard way.

 LP> So what do folk think?

Hurry up and get it going, before Y2K kills off too many of the experienced
OS/2 people that can give you their ideas and experiences.  I'm a little
worried about FIDO being available to nearly as many people when Y2K blows up
a lot of old FIDO software.  A lot of sysops are going to disappear into the
night I'm afraid.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        06-Nov-99 08:38:08
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Get Going

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> My recommendation is create 3 boot partitions, around 150 - 300 
 JS> megs each (I run WARP 3 and WARP 3 connect in 150 meg 
 JS> partitions with plenty of room to spare, and WIN95 in a 200 meg 
 JS> partition, with plenty of room to spare) Make two of them HPFS 
 JS> and install OS2 on them, or linux on one, and WIN95 on a FAT 
 JS> partition.  If you keep them all within 504 megs total, you 
 JS> don't even need LBA addressing for your large drives.  (I run a 
 JS> 5 gig drive, and no disk mangler, no LBA addressing available 
 JS> on this machine)

 RJT> FWIW,  I have at least three boot partitions (on 2 machines)
 RJT> that are around 80-85 megs each.

I ran OS/2 2.1 on a 60 meg partition for a few years, and had room to spare.
I figure that it's not a bad idea to use the first 504 megs for boot
partitions, considering that is generally the size recognized by your hardware 
without translation needed to read boot partitions.   I'm a little biased on
that though, considering I don't have LBA available on my system.  I sure
don't miss it, or disk mangler crap though:-)  I never had a lick of problems
with reading large drives either, unlike a million people seem to have
everytime they install a large drive.  No new drivers needed here, the
original ones work great on large drives.  The downside of course is my FAT
partitions are limited to 504 megs.  I think WIN95 has applications that
large.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        06-Nov-99 09:02:24
  To: Holger Granholm                                   08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Warp 3 install

following up a message from John Thompson to Holger Granholm:

 JT> In a message to Jack Stein, Holger Granholm wrote re: Warp 3
 JT> install 

AR> I was looking for a quick way to add blank spaces for a left
AR> margin.
 JT>  
JS>I use GAWK or SED.  
 JT>  
JS>GAWK '{print "   "$0}' file.txt >lpt1  

 JT>         [clip...]

JS>Look for:
JS>GAWK304D.ZIP   GAWK Documentation (926K)
JS>GAWK304X.ZIP   GAWK Text Processing Language for OS/2, DOS and
JS>WIN32. (435K)
 JT>  
HG> Ouch what a space filler on the HD.

 JT> Yes, if all you're going to use gawk for is to add a few
 JT> spaces  to each line before you print.  

No, that is incorrect.  GAWK is NOT a space filler.  I listed the file size
for the package, that includes all sorts of crap.  The GAWK.EXE is not large:

gawk2156.exe    126484 3/17/9512:3

12k is not what I would call a space filler for a hard drive.  One reason it
is so small, yet so powerful is it also uses EMX, like all good UNIX ports.

 JT> But gawk is much more versatile  than that, and worth having 
 JT> around for a variety of reasons  despite the space it occupies. 
 
John is SO correct here.  You can add spaces to the front of every line
instantly, or, you can create your own relational databases with a little
effort.  You can write applications with data entry.  GAWK (and it's big
brother PERL) are not lightweight programs.  They do light work, and heavy
duty work, whatever you need.

How about a filter to remove duplicate lines from a text file, say, your
keyboard buffer history file?  Yep, GAWK will do that instantly, with a few
words:

gawk '$0!=lastline {print lastline=$0}' filename

For complicated stuff, you write your code in a file, and GAWK will read the
script file instead of just the command line.

I have 50 line AWK scripts that would take thousands of lines of C code, and a 
ton of space to duplicate using something like the C language. Compared to C,
AWK is very simple to use, lots of the drudge work is done for you, as in most 
high level languages.  AWK is also a lot of fun to use, unlike compiled
languages.

 JT> Or, you could just get "perl" and do away with both "sed"
 JT> and  "gawk..."

He's right there, but PERL is a bit more complicated to learn I think, but
well worth the effort.  I haven't gotten into PERL myself, yet.  I switched
pretty much to REXX before getting involved with PERL.  I use REXX more than
AWK these days, but still use it for command line stuff.  When I started with
REXX, I converted a lot of my GAWK scripts to REXX scripts, that's how I
learned REXX.  

REXX is pretty good text processing language itself.  You could also write a
rexx script to add spaces to the front of every line of a file, but not quite
as quick and easy as with GAWK.

/*addspace.cmd*/
do while lines(filename.txt)
   say "     " linein(filename.txt)
end

Thats not too difficult either.  Just redirect the output to a file, or
directly to the printer, or use lineout() instead of say, and send it there
directly.
               
                               Jack 
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From: GRANT THOMAS                                      09-Nov-99 00:22:00
  To: REMOTE                                            08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: DROP

DROP

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From: Ian Moote                                         08-Nov-99 08:36:00
  To: DAVE DAVIDSON                                     08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

DD> IM> Hey -- I don't suppose you have the boot sector virus detection
DD> IM> turned on in your BIOS, do you?
DD>
DD> Nope, sure don't.
DD>
DD> I got home an hour or so ago, loaded the IBMIS506.ADD and
DD> IBMIDECD.FLT to the Install Disk 1 and viola.... the Type B
DD> partition was removed, Boot Manager installed and I was able to
DD> create the necessary partitions and install OS/2!

Hey -- great! Good luck with it! Take care and TTYL.

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From: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 09:58:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Eddy Thilleman wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

JS> I think he might need OS/2 installed to do that though, but thats just
JS> a guess:-)

 ET> No, OS/2 does not have to be installed for this, just boot
 ET> OS/2 from floppies (from the install floppies or from the
 ET> floppies created by bootos2) and FDISK and PARTLIST can be
 ET> run.

WOW!  What was I smoking when I wrote that?

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        07-Nov-99 11:14:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP>      -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> So if you ever load ANY sort of driver, then it WILL always take up
 PK> memory, except it wont matter in the slightest to the rest of the
 PK> machine because it is all VIRTUAL memory!

 LP> I guess what I want to do is maximise the 32 Mb of memory I
 LP> have. 

OS/2 will do that for you. No muss, no fuss.

 LP>  I use to run DV & I would load some program specific
 LP> drivers for that session if they weren't needed in the
 LP> general boot up.  That way I could run more DV windows.  

I used to run DV also.  No comparison in method of operation.  DV was just
DOS, with some fake multitasking schemes going on.  OS/2 will allocate memory
pretty much as needed, and swap applications in and out of memory as needed. 
I remember once when I had only 8 meg on this machine, I came home from work,
used my computer for about a half hour or more, and when I brought up my task
window, there must have been 25 or 30 apps all opened.  My wife knew how to
open stuff, but not close stuff.  You could not notice any change in behavior.

OS/2 is really good about allocating memory.  OS/2 will load the app in
memory, and if not enough memory is left, it will swap an app to disk to make
room for it, on a oldest  used app basis.  This is generally unnoticable
unless you have some real pig GUI apps that must be swapped out.  Once the app 
is loaded in memory though, it will run just like it would if no swapping ever 
took place.

As for DOS sessions and DOS drivers, you load them individually for each app
when OS/2 carves out a memory location for that app.  When you close the app,
the app and its drivers are gone.  For DOS sessions, each session is like it's 
own seperate PC, and, you can have different drivers loaded in each session. 
One DOS session might have ANSI.SYS running, one might not.  One might have a
DOS FOSSIL running another might not.  Also, DOS session can all have
different autoexec.bat files.  When I start my BBS, OS/2 runs AE_BBS.BAT as
its "autoexec.bat". Normal DOS sessions use AE_REG.BAT.  I also have
AE_GAMES.BAT and so on.  These startup files are defined in the DOS_SESSION
settings, including what SYS drivers you want used in the session, as well as
a BUNCH of other settings.

 LP> I guess that's what I'm trying to do here.  In order to have
 LP> more virtual sessions available to me generally I don't want
 LP> to take away anything from the original OS startup that may
 LP> lose me 1 or 2 available sessions later that a specific need
 LP> driver would take away from my total available memory.

 LP> I trust this makes sense?

It makes sense from a DOS/DV perspective (DOS THINK) but not much from an OS/2 
perspective.

These concepts are rather important to understand in OS/2.  Once you get the
concept, things get much clearer.  Someone told you you can run *.BAT files
from an OS/2 session.  This is not quite accurate.  OS/2 recognizes that a BAT 
file is DOS session application, and it will start up a DOS session using the
DEFAULT values for a DOS session and run the BAT file.  This means that the
DOS environment may not be what you expect, for example a PATH may not be set
to what you want (by default, OS/2 uses the AUTOEXEC.BAT file in the boot root 
directory), so if the bat file doesn't point a DOS app with full path, you
might get a file not found error.  

Anyway, 32MB of ram is plenty for OS/2.  I ran in 8 for years, no complaints,
and now only have 20, and that is also plenty.  Horrible GUI pig apps like
Netscape, WINDOWS 3.x and so on can never have enough memory or CPU speed, or
Disk speed, or video memory, so unless you have a Cray super computer, I guess 
you will always need more muscle.  Not sure a Cray would help with some of
this garbage that is out today.

      Jack 
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From: Ed Mann                                           08-Nov-99 19:08:20
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 19:08:20
Subj: ACER CDROM

Model number 665A-004 jan 1996.
selective install from Warp 4 fp6 will not recognize cd, whether it is 
jumpered as master or slave on seconday ide port by itself.
What are the config.sys statements to make this work?
Drive is ACER 665a-004.
Please respond here or email rge@lan2wan.com
(I am posting this for Roger Erickson)


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From: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 15:23:03
  To: Andy Roberts                                      08-Nov-99 19:15:25
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> I guess I just don't see any meaningful advantage to using Double
 AR> Space, which will slow your system down and not let any data that is

 AR> OS/2 as my primary OS, I don't hide anything from it.  Since you
 AR> apparently have plenty of HD space, why bother with Double Space?

Well actually I don't/didn't have losts of HD space with Win & it's
programs & utilities, the BBS use programs, & DOS programs & utilities I
use right now. And I don't have Geoworks loaded on this new system yet.
I may be losing my Sparq which means I'll lose even more hard drive
space. The double space drive gave a space that didn't matter if it died
& I could have a place for all those files/overlays that programs
develop without taking over usable hard drive space or running out of
room.

 AR> your partitions were "primary", then none of them would be able to see

I'm not certain how to explain it.  The drives were set up so that the
first partitions were bootable but the others are seen as partitions but
not logical partitions.  One diag program sees them as 'Big DOS'.  If I
fdisked the 1G H partion, the other partition(s) would be logical drives
off the partitioned drive.  Does this make sense?

 AR> Another benefit of a SCSI HD is that I can tell the BIOS I don't have

Wish I could afford one.  Even used tres expensive.  Need another
monitor before the hard drive.  This one starting to go & almost too old
for the video card.

 AR> OS2CLU02.ZIP PartList.exe and take a good look at the output of that
 AR> prgm.  It should tell you (with some explanation from JdeBP) more than
 AR> what you want to know.

Do you have it to send me?

 AR> In your case I would put at least 3 and maybe 4 primary partitions on
 AR> the 1st and fastest HD.  1 for BM, 1 for WinXX, 1 for OS/2 and 1 for

Interesting.

 LP> When I ran DOS 3.3 I had too many drive letters & don't want to
 LP> get into that again.  That's why these hard drives were set this
 LP> way.

 AR> I agree about making too may drive letters.  But if you look back at
 AR> drive letters according to how much total HD space I have nor how many
 AR> HDs I have.  I assign drive letters according to what special purpose
 AR> that partition is going to serve.  So it is very easy to stay within
 AR> the limits.

This must be an OS/2 feature.  I've seen some strange things happening
with Win9X where drive letters being locked out, etc.  And of course the
DOS limit.

 AR> You are on a complex topic.  I doubt you will totally grasp it all
 AR> until after you have installed OS/2 at least once.  With that

That is true.  Soon, very soon.

Forwarded a copy of the last post to my computer guru (as well as this
one). He set up the hard drive partitions initially & I will need his
help to change the partitions around.  He commented on it's completeness
& the loving kindness you put into the answer.  I agree with him.  It
took a lot of work for that & I appreciate the time & effort taken to
created that post.

Look forward to your next post.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Darren Hamilton                                   08-Nov-99 08:38:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar                          08-Nov-99 19:15:25
Subj: FileStar/2 Assumptions

Hello Jonathan;

Here is a copy of my correspondence with Jim Read, the
owner/programmer of FileStar/2 on your assessment of the file
recognition capabilities of his code.

[ BEGIN Quote]

From jread@gte.net Mon Nov  8 00:24:14 1999
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:00:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Jim Read <jread@gte.net>
To: Darren Hamilton <darrenah@interchange.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: FileStar/2 programming error

On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:10:18 -0800 (PST), Darren Hamilton wrote:

>I have been corresponding to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard in England via the
>Fidonet OS/2 echomail conference. He has found a programming error in
>FileStar/2. I have included his last message to me on the subject of
>detecting file types. Could you have a look at your FileStar code and see
>if it needs modification?
>
>FileStar/2 is badly programmed.  It sees that a file is a Linear Executable 
>
>FileStar/2 is being too simplistic, and is thus getting things wrong.

I have looked at the code and it is correct as far as I am concerned.
It may be 'too simplistic' to depend on OS/2 programming APIs, of
which some are 'badly programmed', to get things right but most of us
do. There is a function call to OS/2 named DosQueryAppType. It returns a
ULONG memory variable which must be masked to determine the app type.
This is from the docs: DosQueryAppType API Description:
   
pFlags (PULONG) - output 
A doubleword that will contain flags denoting the application type, as
determined by reading the executable file header specified by pszName.
Note that the call sequence passes a pointer to a location in
application memory to return the application type flags. 
pFlags is defined as follows: 
Bit       Description 
2-0       Indicate the application type as specified in the header: 
   000   FAPPTYP_NOTSPEC (0x00000000) 
         Application type is not specified in the executable header. 
   001   FAPPTYP_NOTWINDOWCOMPAT (0x00000001) 
         Application type is not-window-compatible. 
   010   FAPPTYP_WINDOWCOMPAT (0x00000002) 
         Application type is window-compatible. 
   011   FAPPTYP_WINDOWAPI (0x00000003) 
         Application type is window-API. 
   3     FAPPTYP_BOUND (0x00000008) 
         Set to 1 if the executable file has been "bound" 
         (by the BIND command) as a Family API application. 
         Bits 0, 1, and 2 still apply. 
   4     FAPPTYP_DLL (0x00000010) 
         Set to 1 if the executable file is a dynamic link 
         library (DLL) module. Bits 0, 1, 2, 3, and 5 will be set to 0.

   5     FAPPTYP_DOS (0x00000020) 
         Set to 1 if the executable file is in PC/DOS format. 
         Bits 0, 1, 2, 3, and 4 will be set to 0. 
   6     FAPPTYP_PHYSDRV (0x00000040) 
         Set to 1 if the executable file is a physical device driver. 
   7     FAPPTYP_VIRTDRV (0x00000080) 
         Set to 1 if the executable file is a virtual device driver. 
   8     FAPPTYP_PROTDLL (0x00000100) 
         Set to 1 if the executable file is a protected-memory dynamic 
         link library module. 
   9-13  Reserved. 
   14    FAPPTYP_32BIT (0x00004000) 
         Set to 1 for 32-bit executable files. 
   15    Reserved. 
  
When CMD.EXE is queried with DosQueryAppType, it returns 0x00004002.
Simply put that is a 32-bit window-compatible executable file.
As a cross-check, I looked at the file with FM/2 (yes, I have a
unregistered version that I sometimes use to check things like this
with but I don't use it for anything else) and StarDock's Process
Commander. They both report that CMD.EXE is a 32-bit file.
Of course, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard is correct in what the header
file says. But FS/2 and others are only reporting what OS/2 tells it.
BTW, the CHKDSK32.EXE file is reported to be 16-bit on my system and,
looking at its header, I would say that's right. It's not a perfect
world :-((.

End of my investigation :-)). But thanks for the concern and query.
And please report any other observations that seem wrong. I am far from
perfect in programming.

Jim
 
[END Quote]

Do you have any comments on Jim's assessment of the situation?


Regards,

Darren Hamilton

School of Library and Information Studies
The University of British Columbia

Internet e-mail: darrenah@interchange.ubc.ca

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From: Jack Pfisterer                                    07-Nov-99 13:28:00
  To: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   08-Nov-99 19:15:25
Subj: Re: NumLock

 JP> Just looked around and was pleasantly surprised to find it on Hobbes
 JP> in PUB\OS2\UTIL\SYSTEM  It's slightly newer (1995) than my 1994
 JP> version.

 SP> Since I just came in, would you mind to post filename again, if it is
 SP> about a program that will set numlock ON for all OS/2 sessions?

It's WILLUTIL.  You should have no trouble spotting it in that directory.

Jack P.
 
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From: Holger Granholm                                   07-Nov-99 17:14:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         08-Nov-99 23:29:27
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

In a message dated 11-04-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger
Granholm:

 HG> Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings? 

JP>From what ?  From the 00GLOBAL.TXT file ?  The answer is "yes" as
JP>long as PC-Board understands and processes the FILES.BBS format. 

That's the problem, it doesn't.

As long as the Walnut Creek CD's were BBS-ready, they contained
conversion programs to convert the listings to almost any and all
different BBS formats.

When I received the first non-BBS-ready CD from there I tried to use
the programs that had been on the previous records but to no avail.

Maybe they were programmed to be dependent on files on the CD and hence
didn't work outside that environment.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: John Thompson                                     07-Nov-99 09:00:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        08-Nov-99 23:29:27
Subj: Get Going

In a message to Linda Proulx, Jack Stein wrote re: Get Going

JJS> The important thing is to install your operating systems on small
partitions. 
JS> No need to backup up much of your operating system, as it is already
backed up
JS> on your install disks. 

At least until you've fixpack'ed it and hacked PMMERGE.DLL and 
god knows what all it make look and act the way you want.  Then 
it becomes too much of a hassle to install from your original 
media and fix 'n' patch it back up to what you had before.  So I 
just backup the whole works to tape and restore when needed.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      08-Nov-99 14:35:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      08-Nov-99 23:29:27
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings,

I think that I had stated that I sent your comments to my computer guru
who had set up my hard drives.  Forwarding his reply.
-----

 * Originally in: Internet E-MAIL
 * Originally on: 07 Nov 99  22:32:02
 * Originally by: hwsager@gatewest.net
 * Originally to: Linda Proulx

Apparently-to: linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca
From: "Hartmut W Sager" <hwsager@gatewest.net>
Subject: Re: Get Going
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 03:32:03 -0600

> Continuing on the info I sent last time.
>
>  * Originally by: Andy Roberts
>  * Originally to: Linda Proulx

He continues to display a very deep knowledge of these things.

You did confuse him somewhat with careless usage of "drives" and "C", "D",
etc.  You should always refer to your physical disks as "Drive 1", "Drive
2", etc. (which Norton Utilities does too, when you select physical disks).

>  LP> None are seen as extended logical drives
>
> Possible but not likely.

He's right that it's not "likely", but you are right on this one regarding
your drives in YOUR machine.  I set it up in this unusual way, and gave you
a considerable explanation on the matter.  We can talk about it again.

In fact, I plan to print out these messages and go over them with you in
detail on the phone, partly to help explain what he's saying, partly to
determine your thoughts, and also to add my thoughts.

> I think this is a misunderstanding of definitions.
> Start by considering it is not the "drive" that is "Extended Logical", but
> rather the partitions on the drive that are "Extended Logical".  ........

Yes, like I said, you confused him with your terminology.

> .......  OTOH if all your partitions were "primary", then none of them
> would be able to see any of the others on the same HD.  [It's after 1AM,
so I
> hope I got that right.  If not, someone else will correct me, I'm sure.
<g>]

This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95.  These 2
OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard drive.  Your machine
is living proof (at least for DOS).  I can't swear to it, but I'm almost
sure that OS/2 would also see them all.

If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and possibly
why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive, since FDISK
will refuse to directly do this.  The answer to "how" is that I used my bag
of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton Utilities.  "Why" is a much
longer story.

>  AR>> Make sure all of the partitions you want to install an OS on are
within
>  AR>> the 1st 1023 cylinders. WinXX (and those apps) like a primary
partition.
>
>  LP> And this means?
>
> The 1023 cylinder limit topic has been discussed so many times, that I'm
sure
> someone else will fill you in with great detail.  If not, then review some
of
> JdeBP's excellent technical discourses on that topic.

I'll be happy to explain this to you (again) on the phone.  The very short
explanation is:  The classical PC BIOS cannot access boot code that is
located past cylinder 1023.  This has NOTHING to do with megabytes - it's
true of any size hard disk, large or small.

>  LP> All 1 G drive partitions have 16 bit cluster, all smaller ones have
8.

The 1 GB partitions have clusters of 16 KB (16 kilobyte) size, and the
smaller ones have clusters of 8 KB size.  Both use 16-bit integers in the
cluster table (which is the FAT) to represent the clusters (that's what
FAT16 means).

>  AR>> Normally I would suggest you make both C and D primary
>
>  LP> From what I gather, all partitions are considered primary, no
>  LP> logical extensions.

Once again, you are correct.  I gave you a very unusual setup.  It looks
like, even for this experienced guy, there's always a first time for
something new.  At least he didn't say "impossible", just "unlikely".

Please feel free to forward my comments to him.
---

Anon,

Linda
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From: Linda Proulx                                      08-Nov-99 15:00:05
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 23:29:27
Subj: Thank you

Greeting & Salutations,

Thought I'd let everyone know the Warp install is getting closer.
Setting up with my computer guru about hard drive setup to prep for the
install.

I also wanted to let everyone know that I appeciate everyone's comments
& ideas & suggestions.

I know that I haven't answered everyone's posts but I have saved them
all.  I thought it would be better to reply to posts to which I
needed more clarification rather then send pithy replies.

Many of you have sent very complete information/suggestions/files & I
appreciate the time you took to be of assistance.

Keep sending suggestions, comments, or encouragement.  Still stuff to
do.  And, of course, will be asking questions after THE BIG DAY.  I look
forward to hearing from everyone.

Humbled by all the help,

Linda

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From: James Walker                                      08-Nov-99 00:21:12
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: installing OS/2

I'm trying to install Os/2 on my pentium 100 and i don't know how to go about
doing it and run a os2/win95 system at the same time.  i've never used os/2
before and i have no idea what to do without destroying my main hard drive.
thanks.


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From: Steven Thompson                                   08-Nov-99 15:23:15
  To: James Walker                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: installing OS/2

Hello James.

08 Nov 99 00:21, you wrote to All:

 JW> I'm trying to install Os/2 on my pentium 100 and i don't know how to
 JW> go about doing it and run a os2/win95 system at the same time.  i've
 JW> never used os/2 before and i have no idea what to do without
 JW> destroying my main hard drive. thanks.

There are two ways of going about this.  You can use Dual Boot (which allows
both OSs to reside on the same physical partition, or you can make a second
partition for OS/2.  Win95 needs to be loaded on the boot partition (C:), but
OS/2 doesn't care, so you can put it on a logical partition such as D: for
instance.  Then you have to install boot manager (in order to do this, you
must select the Advanced Installation Item).  With boot manager installed,
every time you boot up your system, it will ask you which OS you want to load.

Sounds difficult, but it's not.

Steve.

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Nov-99 17:34:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: File Systems

Hello Linda,

05 Nov 99 08:47, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html

LP> You've got to be able to get there <G>.

Don't you have internet access? I do have internet access under OS/2.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Nov-99 17:36:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Hello Linda,

05 Nov 99 09:16, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

LP> If all drivers were loaded when OS/2 boots, they don't take up memory
LP> until used?

OS/2 drivers or DOS drivers??

OS/2 drivers are loaded at boottime, but OS/2 does not suffer from the memory
limitations like DOS. :)

DOS drivers can be loaded in OS/2 at boottime in config.sys (if that driver is 
required for all DOS sessions - I haven't encountered that case), or specified 
in the DOS properties for a particular DOS session (DOS_DEVICE) then that DOS
driver is only loaded in that DOS session where it is specified.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Nov-99 17:48:18
  To: Holger Granholm                                   09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

Hello Holger,

04 Nov 99 20:31, Holger Granholm wrote to Andy Roberts:

AR>> BTW, there is nothing special about Terminate to use Telnet.  Any
AR>> terminal prgm will work with VModem.  I haven't tried ZOC, ....

HG> I'll have to check it. I've got that installed here in OS/2 instead of
HG> Telix that I used extensively under DOS.

ZOC has its own telnet client, it doesn't need Vmodem. I don't know if ZOC has 
also a telnet server, if not and you want to run a telnet server, vmodem is
also a telnet server.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Nov-99 18:03:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Win9XX Question

Hello Linda,

05 Nov 99 10:15, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

LP> Once I set up my Warp & have multiboot with it & DOS, how would I load
LP> Win9XX on it & multiboot. That is if I ever decide to use it.

reserve a partition for it, make it active and make sure it gets the drive
letter C:, reboot and install it, if its installation is complete then make
the OS/2 bootmanager active again.

LP> Just asking. <RBG>

I bet. :)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Nov-99 18:49:26
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

Hello Albert,

04 Nov 99 16:33, Albert Sodyl wrote to HERBERT ROSENAU:

AS> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website
AS> you're talkign about, is that used or not?  I'd rather prefer not
AS> used.  And I don't have a CD rom drive either.

A cdrom drive and a cdrom makes it far easier and faster to install OS/2.

Warp 3 can be made Y2000 proof with a recent fixpack, the latest fixpack for
Warp 3 is fp 40 or 41 (I think). Warp 4 lives longer.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Nov-99 19:02:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: BIOS age

Hello Linda,

05 Nov 99 10:03, Linda Proulx wrote to George White:

GW>> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?

LP> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 months
LP> too old.  And I don't think Warp would change that.

My previous system was a 486 which has always run OS/2.

You problably mean the identification string at the bottom of the screen at
boottime with the BIOS message?

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From: John Thompson                                     08-Nov-99 18:10:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: dos games under Warp

In a message to Eddy Thilleman, Linda Proulx wrote re: dos games under Warp

JS> Also, you don't need all the same settings in the OS/2 DOS startup
JS> file.  For example, you don't need or want any of the sound card
JS> settings in there, OS/2 handles that for it's DOS sessions.
 
LP> If all drivers were loaded when OS/2 boots, they don't take up memory
LP> until used?

The native OS/2 drivers load into memory but I suppose may be 
swapped out if they aren't being used.  But since OS/2 doesn't 
have the conventional/other memory distiction that DOS has, even
if the drivers remain in memory you don't have to worry about a
640k ceiling to fit all the stuff you need.  In OS/2-DOS
sessions, DOS drivers for sound, etc.  are not loaded until you
start the session, are only loaded in that particular virtual
machine, and disappear when you close the session.  Furthermore,
if you are using OS/2's DOS emulation (as opposed to running
"real" DOS in a VMB session) many DOS services (eg, CDROM,
EMM386, HIMEM, network drivers, etc) that typically occupy a
significant portion of your precious "conventional" memory are
actually handled by OS/2, with only a small stub being loaded to
pass such requests on to OS/2 for handling.  This means it is
utterly trivial to get over 700k free conventional memory in an
OS/2-DOS session without needing any special third-party memory
management programs at all.


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From: John Thompson                                     08-Nov-99 18:10:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Network

In a message to George White, Linda Proulx wrote re: Network

GW> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?
 
LP> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 months too
LP> old.  And I don't think Warp would change that.

???

I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only 
uses the BIOS for the initial system startup.  It switches to 
protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the
picture completely at that point.

In any case, how old is your BIOS?  This machine has an AMI BIOS 
dated 11/11/92 and it works just fine with Warp.  Nor can I find 
any mention in my Warp documentation of any restrictions due to 
BIOS date.


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From: John Thompson                                     08-Nov-99 18:10:00
  To: Fred Springfield                                  09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: PM Sessions

In a message to All, Fred Springfield wrote re: PM Sessions

FS> Perhaps this was covered a couple of years ago, but I have forgotten
FS> the answer.
FS> 
FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

Have you tried "start /pm /min program.exe" in your script?  The 
on-line help for START states that this should minimize a PM 
program but warns that "a PM application may chose not to honor 
this request."  If this is the case you may be SOL.


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From: John Thompson                                     08-Nov-99 18:10:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Win9XX Question

In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Win9XX Question

LP> Once I set up my Warp & have multiboot with it & DOS, how would I load
LP> Win9XX on it & multiboot. That is if I ever decide to use it.

Assuming you currenly have Boot Manager configured to boot either 
DOS or OS/2, you simply reboot to DOS and install Win95, taking
care to use fdisk (DOS or OS/2) to make the Boot Manager 
partition "active" (DOS fdisk) or bootable (OS/2 fdisk) after 
completing the installation, since when you install Win95 it will
disable Boot Manager (this is documented on the Win95 CD, BTW).

Thereafter, when you select DOS from Boot Manager, Win95 will 
load.  If you want to be able to choose between DOS and Win95 on 
that partition, tell Win95 that you want to preserve your old DOS
installation when it asks during the installation of Win95.  You
can then press "F8" when you see the "Starting Windows 95..."
text to get a menu from which you can choose to boot your
previous DOS installation.  If you have an existing Win3.x 
installation you want to preserve, make sure you install Win95 
somewhere other than C:\WINDOWS (I used C:\WIN95) or it will 
overwrite your Win3.x installation.

Note that Win98 does not allow you to keep a previous version of 
DOS or Windows on the drive.

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      04-Nov-99 18:21:00
  To: JAAP VAN.VEEN                                     09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: WinOS2 with Warp v3

Hey JAAP VAN.VEEN, what's up?

JAAP VAN.VEEN was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about WinOS2 with Warp
v3!

 AS>> Can the Warp v3 Red Box use the winos2 that came with OS/2 2.1?
 AS>> Or do I have go and buy windows for work groups or windows 3.1?

 JV> To my opinion this must be possible. All data needed for windows
 JV> are in separate directories that are not touched by OS/2. Make
 JV> sure that the directory pathes are included in the new config.sys.
 JV> Make a copy of your present config.sys to check afterwards that no
 JV> data is lost.

Hmm... thank you very much, I will consider it, but do you think it'll work
properly just like win-os2 in warp 3 blue?  Maybe it needs an upgrade as
well.

 JV> I hope that also others are responding because as far as I can
 JV> remind I had to delete all the 2.1 stuff before installing 3.0 to
 JV> get is smoothly running. Jaap

Yeah, I still have to do that to install the fixpaks right now, but I don't
want to do that.


 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      04-Nov-99 18:26:00
  To: NICK ANDRE                                        09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Installation problem

Hey NICK ANDRE, what's up?

NICK ANDRE was heard grumbling this to ALL about Installation problem!

 NA> Hi!

 NA> I'm trying to install OS/2 Warp 3.0 Redspine on a friends system.
 NA> He's running a 486DX/33Mhz all-ISA board, 400mb Quantum HD,
 NA> standard ISA/FDD controller, and just a VGA card installed.

 NA> OS/2 starts to boot okay on Disk 0, but after the "Loading; please
 NA> wait" message appears, the screen goes blank, and the system
 NA> stops. I have no idea whats going on, (Alt+F2 doesn't seem to work
 NA> on the installation disks). I've tried everything I could think of
 NA> (disabling cache, etc), but to no avail.

 NA> Any ideas/suggestions?

Hmm... I had the same problem.  All I can think of right now is that if you
have a previous version of OS/2 or any copy of OS/2 with applied fixpaks,
you can't re-install it properly.  But if that's not the problem, then I
don't know.



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From: Albert Sodyl                                      04-Nov-99 18:39:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Question Again

Hey LINDA PROULX, what's up?

LINDA PROULX was heard grumbling this to ALL about Question Again!

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe
 LP> file?

Short question, short answer:

It's like a DOS batch file (you know what that is, don't you?) but more
enhanced.


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From: Andy Roberts                                      08-Nov-99 21:21:02
  To: Jack Stein                                        09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

 Jack Stein,

07-Nov-99 11:14:06, Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx
 JS> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:
 LP>> -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: dos games under Warp 4

 JS> Anyway, 32MB of ram is plenty for OS/2.  I ran in 8 for years, no
 JS> complaints, and now only have 20, and that is also plenty.
 JS> Horrible GUI pig apps like Netscape, WINDOWS 3.x and so on can
 JS> never have enough memory or CPU speed, or Disk speed, or video
 JS> memory,

I was relatively satisfied with 16MB of RAM on my 486-66 with Warp3, even
using NetScape and Win-OS/2.  That actually worked better than 20MB of
mis-matched RAM.  But Warp4 enticed me to upgrade to P200i with 64MB RAM (in a
perfectly matched set.)

 JS> so unless you have a Cray super computer, I guess you will always need
 JS> more muscle.  Not sure a Cray would help with some of this garbage that
 JS> is out today

Speaking of garbage, Lotus SmartSuite for Warp (which is Open32) not the
previous SmartSuite'97 (which did have 3 native OS/2 apps along with the
Win-OS/2 junk), falls into that category IMO.  Thus even a P200i with 32MB of
RAM was not enough to prevent jerky screen re-writes when scrolling down a
large word processor DOC or spreadsheet.  And VoiceType (Warp4 only) (Pentium
recommended) may run with 32MB RAM but works much better with 64MB RAM.  Of
course IMO VoiceType is just a fad for 99.99% of OS/2 users, since someone
could learn to type faster and in less months of training than VoiceType
requires.

Of course I just *had* to try every new toy, so I promptly upgraded from 32MB
to 64MB RAM (in a perfectly matched set.)  So later when I tried StarOffice
Suite, it was very happy.

I have read several reports from others who tried to run StarOffice on a 486
and were not very happy.  I have a feeling a 386 would crawl with it, no
matter how much RAM you have.

IMO there is race between many new HardWare developers and many new SoftWare
developers to see which 1 can force the user to upgrade.  Some old timers
like Jack will probably be content with slower systems, because they know
where their niche is, and can resist the temptation to have the latest and
greatest, when what they have been using works very well.

AFAIK Jack has never said this straight out, but I think 1 of the reasons he
is still using Warp3 on a 486 is because he found it challenging to figure
out what was the best HardWare/Price for a Pentium.  And the few new features
of Warp4 were not that important to Jack.  And while Warp4 will install on a
486 and automatically not install VoiceType, Warp4 is more demanding than
Warp3 in both RAM and CPU.

I remember many msgs about the time those large Suites were 1st released, that
suggested that doubling the amount of RAM would provide better performance
increases than making 2 steps upward in CPU speed.  Of course that was about
the time Pentiums were becoming popular and there were many with less than
200MHz.

Anyway I agree that 32MB of RAM is plenty for OS/2 Warp3 on a 386,
considering that some of the popular Suites probably would not be happy with
a 386, and thus you would not be trying to get them to perform up to par, or
use them at all.  But given the desire to upgrade, then I would not put money
in a 386 nor 486 nor even a Pentium less than 200MHz.  And to get good
performance out of Warp4 (with most any app) I would think 32MB would be bare
minimum.  At least I'm satisfied with my P200i with 64MB RAM, in spite of
having seen what a P450i with 256MB RAM can do.

Half of being happy is to be content with what you have as long as it performs
the tasks you want.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      08-Nov-99 23:03:13
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Re: Get Going

 Linda Proulx,

07-Nov-99 15:23:07, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
 LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: Get Going

 AR>> OS2CLU02.ZIP PartList.exe and take a good look at the output of
 AR>> that prgm.  It should tell you (with some explanation from JdeBP)
 AR>> more than what you want to know.

 LP> Do you have it to send me?

Done.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Peter Knapper                                     09-Nov-99 20:00:10
  To: Will Honea                                        09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Missing Window control..

Hi Will,

PK> Similar, I can no longer re-size a window
PK> that would  normally allow this to happen.

 WH> Peter, this was my main reason for going to FP10 - FP9 did that to me
 WH> as well.  As I understood it then, it was related to video drivers and
 WH> pmmerge.dll issues.  I would suggest you bypass some irritating
 WH> 'improvements' to the file system introduced by FP10/11 and go straight
 WH> to fp12.  

Thanks Will, I did suspect as much but needed someone to confirm it. I am
fairly resistant to applying Fixpaks unless they are REALLY needed, hence why
it took me so long to move to FP9. When I saw so few negative comments about
FP9 I finally jumped from FP5 after about 8 months of waiting. I take it you
are finding FP12 to be nice and stable with no added "gotchas"? Generally I
would wait at least 3 months before applying any FP, but if it DOES fix a
particular problem, and it is not reported as causing problems, then I may
just make the move.

Cheers.......(ever so cautious)..pk...;-)


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From: Peter Knapper                                     09-Nov-99 22:37:19
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Hi Linda,

Further to my reply about OS/2 and SWAP files the other day, I realised that I 
left out some important information that actually may have a marked bearing on 
what I have been saying so far.

Under OS/2, REAL memory management is divided up into PAGES. Its been a long
time since I thought about this so I forget most of the details, but I think a 
PAGE is quite small, something like 4K (yes, 4096) bytes of memory. When an
OS/2 application runs, it is assigned a number of PAGES of REAL memory to hold 
the running program. If OS/2 finds its stock of SPARE REAL memory running out, 
then it writes out to the SWAP file as many of the OLDEST USED PAGES that are
required to free up the REAL memory it needs to keep things running. 

Actually its even more intelligent than that, if the memory being swapped out
is part of an EXE file that never actually changes while it is in memory, it
doesn't really swap it out, it marks the PAGE as being swapped and then
continues, but when it needs that PAGE in again, it just loads it directly
from the image it stored in the SWAP file that it wrote when the application
was initially loaded! Nifty...

This means that SWAPPING out something does NOT mean the entire application in 
memory is swapped out, only the PARTS of it that are not currently being
referenced. Which pages get swapped are determined by several criteria, some
PAGES are marked as NOT SWAPPABLE (EG device drivers are not normally
candidates for being swapped), so they are NEVER swapped to disk.

Just a little bit extra to add to your already overloaded memory.......;-)

Cheers.............pk.


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From: Bat Lang                                          08-Nov-99 18:16:18
  To: Murray Lesser                                     09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: FixPak Follies

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to Ray Hyder, [04 Nov 99  17:49:00] <=-

 ML> You might take the time
 ML> some day to check out how many of the new files in your newest FixPak
 ML> replace those same-named files that were updated in a previous FixPak.

What else would one expect, given that each of these FP's includes
everything 'good' that was in each of the earlier FP's? At least IIRC?
Some file replaced by FP1 (and not changed since), will appear in each
subsequent FP. Not so??

 RH>My advice now would be to get to the current version of OS/2.

I second that advice. FP12 serves me as well as it does RH.

 ML> After over six years of running various versions of OS/2, and too
 ML> much experience with ills introduced by FixPaks, I have learned not to
 ML> apply a FixPak (after the first few following the introduction of a
 ML> new version of the operating system) unless it supports new hardware
 ML> that I intend to install, or it adds new function that I want.  I have
 ML> carefully read the README for Warp 4 FixPak 10 (the most recent that I
 ML> have on CD-ROM), but have decided not to try installing it because
 ML> there is nothing in it that I need.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My experience with FP's is only associated with the 12 that apply to
Warp 4. I always waited a few days to see if I heard any screaming in
this forum. If yes, I waited. If no, I updated. I skipped FP10 entirely,
since FP11 was here before the screams subsided. On my system, FP12 is
as solid as RH said it is. As for the under scored, each of these FP's
have addressed Y2K issues. I recommend you go with FP12 =before= the end
of '99. YMMV  {^;

... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: Bat.Lang@92.ima.infomail.com

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From: Sean Dennis                                       08-Nov-99 20:34:02
  To: Andy Roberts                                      09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: Get Going

Hello, Andy.


-=> Replying to a message of Andy Roberts to Linda Proulx:

 AR> For OS/2 you should put ONLY the operating system files on it's
 AR> partition, so that if you ever have to re-install, which also should
 AR> mean re-format with the /L parameter, then you won't lose any apps or
 AR> data.  You could put NetScape, Java upgrades and Swapper.Dat all on
 AR> the same drive with OS/2 (although I don't) and still not use even
 AR> 500MB.  So the rest of your 1GB will just be wasted free space.

I have OS/2 Warp 4 (with FP11 and the latest TCP/IP fix), Netscape 4.61, SIO,
JDK 1.1.8 and all sorts of odds 'n ends installed here on an old Quantum
Fireball 540MB HD and I currently have... 277,266,432 bytes free.  So, that's
not too shabby considering I have a really messy hard drive.

Note that everything else is stashed on my 2.1GB Samsung HD... which has, as I 
write, 1005MB free.  I don't like it getting below a gig free; one never knows 
when one needs the space.  I do have to say that using HPFS on both drives has 
made it very efficent indeed.

Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       08-Nov-99 20:41:24
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 09:18:09
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ

Hello, All.

If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how to set it
up.  Let me know.

Later,
Sean

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From: Andy Roberts                                      09-Nov-99 00:20:07
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 11:33:24
Subj: Re: Get Going

 Linda Proulx,

08-Nov-99 14:35:03, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: Re: Get Going

 LP> I think that I had stated that I sent your comments to my computer guru
 LP> who had set up my hard drives.  Forwarding his reply.
 LP> -----
 LP> From: "Hartmut W Sager" <hwsager@gatewest.net>

 LP>>>> None are seen as extended logical drives

 AR>>> Possible but not likely.

 HS> He's right that it's not "likely", but you are right on this one
 HS> regarding your drives in YOUR machine.  I set it up in this unusual way,
 HS> and gave you a considerable explanation on the matter.  We can talk
 HS> about it again.

 HS> In fact, I plan to print out these messages and go over them with you in
 HS> detail on the phone, partly to help explain what he's saying, partly to
 HS> determine your thoughts, and also to add my thoughts.

LOL.. well it won't be the first nor last time someone else had to explain
what I said.

 AR>>> I think this is a misunderstanding of definitions.
 AR>>> Start by considering it is not the "drive" that is "Extended Logical",
 AR>>> but rather the partitions on the drive that are "Extended Logical".  

 AR>>> OTOH if all your partitions were "primary", then none of them
 AR>>> would be able to see any of the others on the same HD.  [It's after
 AR>>> 1AM, so I hope I got that right.  If not, someone else will correct me,
 AR>>> I'm sure. <g>]

It's after 1AM again.  So I've got to make this short.

 HS> This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95.  These 2
 HS> OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard drive.  Your 
 HS> machine is living proof (at least for DOS).  I can't swear to it, but I'm
 HS> almost sure that OS/2 would also see them all.

Actually many OS/2 users specifically setup a primary partition for WinXX and
OS/2 just so that WinXX can NOT see the other primary partition and vice
versa.  That prevents WinXX from being able to screw up OS/2.  And it prevents
Win-OS/2 apps from getting confused by looking at WinXX files.  And since
WinXX is nothing but DOS with a GUI, I consider the same rules to apply to DOS
(under normal conditions, which I understand are not in effect for you.)  If
OS/2's FDISK is used to make 2 primary partitions on the same HD then they
will both be assigned C.  Obviously 1 C drive can not see another C drive.

 HS> If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and possibly
 HS> why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive, since FDISK
 HS> will refuse to directly do this.  The answer to "how" is that I used my 
 HS> bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton Utilities.  "Why" is a
 HS> much longer story.

I am curious as to why.  What advantage does that have over using Logical
partitions?

 AR>>> Normally I would suggest you make both C and D primary

 LP>> From what I gather, all partitions are considered primary, no
 LP>> logical extensions.

 HS> Once again, you are correct.  I gave you a very unusual setup.  It looks
 HS> like, even for this experienced guy, there's always a first time for
 HS> something new.  At least he didn't say "impossible", just "unlikely".

Somehow I have the feeling I'm about to get up to my neck in this issue. <g>

I'm not a guru, just an old timer.  And although I still run DrDOS6.0 on 1 of
my machines, it's been about 7+ years since I set that up.  So I have long
since forgotten almost all DOS tricks.

There is 1 trick which both Jack and I have mentioned in previous msgs,
that is unique to OS/2.  That is the ability to have all your drive letter
assignments is a straight sequence, without jumping back to D etc for
additional HDs.  That is a significant advantage when adding or removing
additional HDs, without messing up your existing setup.  OS/2 will find the
additional HDs and assign the lettering if they are not specified in your
BIOS setup.  So for IDE you would only specify 1 HD which would have Boot
Manager and OS/2 (and any other OS) on it.  When OS/2 is loaded it will find
all the other HDs.

That may not be to your advantage if you are going to keep DOS or WinXX as
your main OS, since they will not be able to find the additional HDs.

I know I for sure, and probably Jack too, have been using OS/2 with HPFS for
so long that we don't give much consideration to any other OS (other than
leave C available for WinXX.)  Since OS/2 runs virtually all DOS prgms, we
tend to delete DOS.  That makes it very easy to dump all the "DOS-Think"
limits and considerations.  Some of which may have lead to your unusual setup.

Anyway I have not said anything new this time around.  Just emphasizing what
in summary may be an important consideration for someone else helping you
decide how to migrate from your existing setup to OS/2 and accommodate future
growth.

I am curious about another thing.  Are you attempting to learn enough to do
all the Hardware changes and upgrades and installations and re-installations
and setup of various OSs and apps all by yourself?  Or are you going to have
your guru do the work for you?

No slight intended by those questions.  I can see that issue from both sides.
My sister-in-law is probably going to read this and get a good laugh.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Gregory Urban                                     08-Nov-99 08:50:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      09-Nov-99 11:33:24
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

Greetings Albert,

 GU> How does $35 + shipping sound for Warp 3 Connect on CD-ROM, used
 GU> but with all documentation?

 AS> I can get Warp 3 red box for $30 CAN (canadian).  Is yours in CAN or
 AS> US dollars?

Um...US dollars.  Mine is blue box...

 GU> If interested drop me an email at kragmeiser@fast.net

 AS> I don't have the internet... :(

Ahh...

Later,
Greg

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From: Daniela Engert                                    07-Nov-99 18:37:14
  To: Fred Springfield                                  09-Nov-99 20:07:28
Subj: PM Sessions

Hi Fred!

Thus quoth Fred Springfield to All :

 FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

Short answer:  you can't.

Long answer:

PM type applications control all aspects of their windows by themselves.
Unless the programmer of that particular program implemented some means of
changing the default window construction behaviour to honour user supplied
options, you're lost (well, almost).

This is different from AVIO windows created by the OS/2 session manager which
get OS/2 text mode or DOS sessions inserted.

bye, Dani

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From: Daniela Engert                                    08-Nov-99 18:24:00
  To: Andrew Belov                                      09-Nov-99 20:07:28
Subj: Re: Odin

Hi Andrew!

Thus quoth Andrew Belov to Daniela Engert:

 AB> By the way, a recent WarpCast report mentioned some "major rewrite"
 AB> of Odin source code. Does it mean that Open32 dependencies have
 AB> been finally cleaned out, or the developers have found a way to
 AB> overcome the limits of that outdated API?

Open32 has well done parts (like GDI), and others we better got rid of (window 
management for example). It was quite hard to bridge Open32 with our code so
that both work together smoothely.

bye, Dani

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From: Daniela Engert                                    08-Nov-99 18:18:20
  To: Sean Dennis                                       09-Nov-99 20:07:28
Subj: Suppressing popups?

Hi Sean!

Thus quoth Sean Dennis to All :

 SD> I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error
 SD> messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an
 SD> "invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that.  Any ideas
 SD> how or why that isn't working anymore?

It should read 'SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C:'

bye, Dani

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From: Murray Lesser                                     09-Nov-99 19:28:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 19:28:00
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-08-99, Linda Proulx to Andy Roberts,
original topic: Get Going);

Hi Linda--

    I am breaking in to what is really none of my business, but I think
that if you follow the advice of a "guru" who doesn't seem to know much
about OS/2, you are going to be very disappointed with your OS/2
experience.  (See tagline for disclaimer!)  Much of what he advises is
contrary to what several very experienced OS/2 users have told you on
this echo.  Note: Quotes from your guru's message to you are prefaced
with "HS>".  IIRC, the following (unattributed) paragraph was quoted by
your guru from an earlier message from Peter to you:

 > .......  OTOH if all your partitions were "primary", then none of
 >them would be able to see any of the others on the same HD.  [It's
 >after 1AM, so I hope I got that right.  If not, someone else will
 >correct me, I'm sure.<g>]

HS>This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95. 
  >These 2 OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard
  >drive.  Your machine is living proof (at least for DOS).  I can't
  >swear to it, but I'm almost sure that OS/2 would also see them all.

    Taken in context, the unattributed paragraph is entirely correct. As
I remember the original, the topic being discussed was Boot Manager.  If
all your bootable partitions are primary partitions on the same drive,
they all have the same partition letter (usually C: on the first HD,
since neither DOS nor Windows can boot from any other partition).  As a
consequence, none of the booted systems can see any other bootable
partition because you can have only one active C: drive on a system at a
time.  (Your guru should have known this!)  With this exception, in
general, OS/2 can see all primary partitions and extended partitions,
but may not be able to read them.  OTOH, neither DOS nor Win95 can see
partitions formatted HPFS, whether primary or extended.  This is not a
valid reason not to use HPFS for big partitions; perhaps it is a valid
reason not to boot DOS nor Win95 :-).

HS>If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and
  >possibly why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive,
  >since FDISK will refuse to directly do this.  The answer to "how" is
  >that I used my bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton
  >Utilities.  "Why" is a much longer story.

    Do not ever, ever, ever, use Norton Utilities (or any other
DOS/Windows disk-fixer utility) on a partition (or drive) containing
OS/2 files, UNLESS you are really an expert on the OS/2 internal file
structures and know exactly what you are doing!!!

    At the worst, you will lose your desktop, which is mainly stored as
OS/2 Extended Attributes.  The FAT file system used by OS/2 is "backward
compatible" to that used by DOS/Windows to the extent that it can read
DOS FAT files, but the reverse is not quite true.  OS/2 FAT uses two
"reserved" bytes in the DOS FAT directory structure to point to the
"attached" file that contains the Extended Attributes belonging to that
"owning" file.  OS/2 also has a "dummy" file (EA DATA. FS) in the root
directory of any FAT partition containing EAs, that is used to keep
track of which portions of the physical file space on that partition
hold EAs (this file is not normally displayed by an OS/2 FAT "DIR"
command; "DIR /A" will display it).  DOS has no provisions to see this
file (note the "illegal" file name).  A DOS "drive fixer" utility may
wipe out all your EAs while "fixing" what it found to be a "corrupted"
directory :-(.  At best, some DOS "defragger" utilities (that recognize
OS/2's existence) don't wipe out the EA "files" but leave them where
they were, rather than moving them to follow their "owner" files in
physical sequence; thereby reducing performance when reading files
containing EAs.  This would be especially noticeable when the system is
loading a large REXX program.

    Incidentally, IMO, it is very poor practice to install more primary
partitions than are needed, because this unnecessarily limits
flexibility for future changes.  To my knowledge, this means a
reasonable maximum of two primary partitions per hardware system, both
of which should be on the first HD.  Most non-Microsoft operating
systems that I know of, capable of running on an Intel x86, can boot
from an extended partition.  Thus, two primary partitions are sufficient
for booting both DOS and some version of Windows (or two versions of
Windows, as having both DOS and Win/95 bootable seems somewhat
superfluous) as well as one (or more) "real" operating system(s).  If
you are content to live with only one (or no) Microsoft operating
system, you need only one primary partition--the minimum required by the
PC hard-drive architecture.

HS>The 1 GB partitions have clusters of 16 KB (16 kilobyte) size, and
  >the smaller ones have clusters of 8 KB size.  Both use 16-bit
  >integers in the cluster table (which is the FAT) to represent the
  >clusters (that's what FAT16 means).

    1 GB is entirely too large for a FAT-formatted partition under OS/2,
except under very special circumstances.  The cluster-size argument is a
red herring; for performance reasons, no FAT partition with much write
activity should be so full that this has any appreciable effect on
usable storage.  FAT performance (somewhat better under OS/2 than under
DOS) begins to drop off rapidly for partition sizes greater than about
250 MB, or if there are more than about 250 files in that partition.  It
is highly recommended (in an IBM OS/2 white paper) that one never use
FAT partitions (of any size) containing more than 500 files.  There is
also a file-number performance limitation for HPFS: HPFS performance
starts to degrade if you have more than 5000 files in the same
_directory_.

    As many on this echo have told you, 1 GB is much too big for an OS/2
boot partition.  The boot partition should not contain data, only
operating system.  In fact, it need not even contain all the files that,
technically, might be considered to be part of the operating system :-).
The more junk you have in the boot drive ("drive" is poor, but common,
nomenclature), the harder you will find it to do system maintenance.

    I have a total of "only" 1 GB HD space on my current system (a
ThinkPad 365XD).  My boot drive (Warp 4 FixPak 5) is a bit over 200 MB,
and has only those files that may be updated by a FixPak.  (I have not
installed Win-OS/2, nor voice recognition; the "network" directories:
tcpip, mptn, etc., are installed in another partition.)  There is only
one primary partition, since I cannot conceive of any reason to want
more.  My "top" drive letter is K: for the 100 MB Zip drive.

    To avoid the necessity for reinstall, you want to be able to
reformat your boot drive and reconstitute it from its backup, any time
some misadventure blows your system (such as having installed a FixPak
that, much later, proves to have been hazardous to the health of one or
more of your applications).  I back up my boot drive any time I have
made a permanent change (I keep two generations of backup) to Iomega
parallel-port Zip diskettes using the BACKUP and RESTORE utilities
furnished with OS/2.  Since there are no "data" files in that partition,
there is no necessity for frequent backups.

    Partitioning is probably the most important decision you will make
relative to your OS/2 installation, and should not be based on a trivial
reason such as "not wanting too many drive letters" :-).  As Jack told
you, proper partitioning includes the decisions as to what is going to
go into which partition, for ease of future system maintenance.  This
depends on what you are going to do with your system, as well as how
much space you have.  "Data" files should be in partitions of their own,
since they are the only files requiring frequent back up.

    I reiterate what has been told to you by many of your correspondents
in this echo: "OS/2 IS NOT DOS!"  Most certainly, it is not Win95 :-).
Installing it as though it were either will only get you into trouble.

    Most people who have installed OS/2 successfully have not been
handicapped by knowing any guru.  I suggest you do what we have done:
learn by trial and error, aided by a consensus of members of this
conference as necessary.  Unless, of course, you can find a real OS/2
guru :-).

    Good luck,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Nov-99 11:11:08
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 21:27:26
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 PK> So if you ever load ANY sort of driver, then it WILL always take up
 PK> memory, except it wont matter in the slightest to the rest of the
 PK> machine because it is all VIRTUAL memory!

 LP> I guess what I want to do is maximise the 32 Mb of memory I 
 LP> have.  I use to run DV & I would load some program specific 
 LP> drivers for that session if they weren't needed in the general 
 LP> boot up.  That way I could run more DV windows. 

The big difference there though is that with dv you're going to end up with a
first "window" that's going to become progressively smaller as you load more
drivers,  as even though you can load many of them into high memory they each
tend to need a small bit of that lower 640k,  eating away at it until you
start bumping into that limit.  On this box it's showing 571k as being
available (the most you can stuff into that first window,  successive ones
will be smaller) even though I've only got two processes currently running on
a machine with 16M.

The reason for this is because as good as dv is,  it's still running on top of 
_dos_.  OS/2 gets beyond all that,  and isn't restricted to a dos way of
dealing with memory.

 LP> I guess that's what I'm trying to do here.  In order to have 
 LP> more virtual sessions available to me generally I don't want to 
 LP> take away anything from the original OS startup that may lose 
 LP> me 1 or 2 available sessions later that a specific need driver 
 LP> would take away from my total available memory.

 LP> I trust this makes sense?

Yes.  I understand the concern you're expressing here.  But under OS/2,  it's
not a problem...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Nov-99 11:15:13
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 21:27:26
Subj: Network

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 GW> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?

 LP> It's an AMI 386 dated 04/30/89.

 LP> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 months too
 LP> old.  And I don't think Warp would change that.

 LP> The AMI bios had to be after a certain date & this bios date
 LP> was not. At least that was the info given to the User Group.

The only problem you're likely to run into with this is that it won't have
direct support built into the BIOS for newer,  larger drives.  That usually
takes the form of more choices in drive mappings,  particularly LBA.  As long
as you can set up a smallish partition to _boot_ from,  then once OS/2 boots
it takes control of things and the BIOS is out of the picture.

The only constraint is that the boot partition needs to be within the first
1023 cylinders on the disk.

This also bears on what I see being addressed in the next message from you (as 
they're showing up here).  Boot partitions oughta be just big enough to hold
the operating system,  and that's it.  Anything beyond the OS can be put
elsewhere.  You don't see the bias towards sticking everything on C: in OS/2
that tends to show up with other products...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Nov-99 11:09:23
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 21:27:26
Subj: Win9XX Question

MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to LINDA PROULX:

 MR> Win95 is basically Win 3.x, with the only primary difference 
 MR> that you can install the bulk of its data on a drive other than 
 MR> C:. 

Oh really?  That "everything on drive c:" stuff sure seems to be built into a
lot of what's out there,  both applications and the OS...

 MR> It does, however, still require drive C: to boot from (even 
 MR> Windows NT does).  So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need 
 MR> to give up DOS, since it'll overwrite it when installing.

 MR> The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like 
 MR> System Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files 
 MR> of the operating systems it supports.  It allows you to install 
 MR> any number of OS's on the same partition, and choose which to 
 MR> boot at startup.

Or set up separate dos and w9x partitions,  that don't "see" each other...

 MR> ... Are there any lawyers here? <BLAM> Any more?

<g>

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From: Holger Granholm                                   08-Nov-99 20:38:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     09-Nov-99 21:27:26
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 11-03-99, Murray Lesser said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Murray,

ML>the Web) is usually less than two minutes.  For safety's sake, my
ML>computer is physically disconnected from the telephone line when I
ML>am not using the modem.  (Since I don't run a BBS, I do not accept
ML>incoming modem calls.  All reading/writing is done off-line.)

ML>    Try it.  You might like it.

Yeah, I just yesterday read the manual for VModem.

I will try it because the "simple" MTELB5 solution doesn't work for me,
at least not under OS/2 and I don't run Windows.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   08-Nov-99 20:38:00
  To: Herbert Bushong                                   09-Nov-99 21:27:26
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 11-06-99, Herbert Bushong said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Herbert,

::> AR>terminal prgm will work with VModem.  I haven't tried ZOC, ....

::> I'll have to check it. I've got that installed here in OS/2 instead
::> of Telix that I used extensively under DOS.

HB>I used Telix with VModem under OS/2 as my telnet client of choice <g>

I don't doubt that Telix works under OS/2 but I wanted an OS/2 terminal
program. That's why I tested and then registered ZOC.

HB>  RM 1.31 2508  Curiousity killed the cat. Let's get the dog next.

Did you cover the pan before microwaving the cat?

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   08-Nov-99 20:38:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 21:27:26
Subj: Re: Network

In a message dated 11-06-99, Linda Proulx said to Peter Knapper:

LP>The AMI bios had to be after a certain date & this bios date was
LP>not. At least that was the info given to the User Group.

Stareting on page 317 in the manual you get the low-down for AMI BIOS.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   08-Nov-99 20:38:00
  To: Sinisa Pavlovic                                   09-Nov-99 21:27:26
Subj: Re: NumLock

In a message dated 11-06-99, Sinisa Pavlovic said to All:

Hello Sinisa,

SP>Since I just came in, would you mind to post filename again, if it
SP>is about a program that will set numlock ON for all OS/2 sessions?

Look for JSHIF161.ZIP. It contains prgrams for OS/2 as well as DOS.
Like any other numlock program, it doesn't work in full-screen sessions.

If you have visited a full-screen session you'll have to restart it.

That is, you may say, a feature of OS/2 ;-)

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   08-Nov-99 20:38:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       09-Nov-99 21:27:26
Subj: Suppressing popups?

In a message dated 11-06-99, Sean Dennis said to All:

Hello Sean,

SD>I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error
SD>messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an
SD>"invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that.  Any ideas
SD>how or why that isn't working anymore?

Please read the docs for FP11. Everything you should have to know about
suppresspopups is there.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  09-Nov-99 13:21:13
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Win9XX Question

Hello Linda!

05 Nov 99 10:15, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> Once I set up my Warp & have multiboot with it & DOS, how would I load
 LP> Win9XX on it & multiboot. That is if I ever decide to use it.
    Boot to DOS. Install Win95. But, if you plan install both systems on same
partition, you may got(get?) big troubles. 'cause win's LFN will be corrupted
by
OS/2 chkdsk. So, win's scandisk may fail on ea data.sf.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:28:17
  To: LEONARD ERICKSON                                  09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: File Systems

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Some senseless babbling from Leonard Erickson to Mike Ruskai
on 11-01-99  02:09 about File Systems...

 -=> Quoting MIKE RUSKAI to LEONARD ERICKSON <=-

 LE> That's nice. I'd like to be able to go one step farther and assign
a
 LE> *specific* shortname to a file without losing the long name. Even
if
 LE> it used up another directory entry. Then we'd be able to keep old
 LE> programs happy indefinitely and still use long filenames. Unix can
do
 LE> this, I just forget the command.

 MR> This is strictly speaking possible, but not taken advantage of by
the
 MR> OS. There's no required attachment between a file's directory name,
and
 MR> it's .LONGNAME extended attribute (which is how what Ian mentioned
 MR> above is done).

 MR> The PM file dialogs don't recognize the .LONGNAME attribute as a
 MR> filename, nor does DosOpen(), the API that opens files.

 LE> That reminds me. I was using an OS/2 UUdecoder that supported long
 LE> filenames (easy to find) and supported embedded spaces (hard to
find).
 LE>
 LE> Anyway, I discovered that when names exceeded a certain length, the
 LE> WPS directory display no longer recognized what *kind* of file they
 LE> were. Any idea what was going on?

 LE> These are mostly WAV files from Star Trek and Star Wars that people
 LE> named with the entire text of what's being said (definite
overkill).

 LE> Silly example:
 LE> "Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water, Jack
 LE> fell down and broke his crown and Jill came tumbling after.WAV"

I'm not aware of any length limitations, but the WPS does assume, for
the
purposes of file extension associations, that whatever follows the
*first*
period in the filename is the extension.  So, if there's a complete
sentence followed by a period in the name, the extension won't be WAV at
all.

If you associate WAV's with a separate program, you can kludge this
behavior to work with those files by adding the masks *.*.WAV,
*.*.*.WAV,
etc.

But if you're relying on the MMWAV class functions, then all you can do
is
manually convert those files to the MMWAV class from the WPDataFile
class.

It may be possible to automate this with REXX, but it wouldn't be
simple.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:29:04
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Installation problem

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on 11-01-99  12:38 about File Systems...

 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-30-99, Eddy Thilleman to Leonard
 ML> Erickson)

 ML> Hello Eddy--

 LE> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware.
Netware
 LE> creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access such
files.
 LE> The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor "settable"
(at
 LE> least in my version of Netware).

 ET>I have no reason to think it's technically impossible to write a
 >driver that does this or something like this. So I think it's
 >technically possible to write a driver that does this or something
 >like this.
 ML> I don't think you meant "driver" in the "device driver" sense.
 ML> Perhaps you meant an application program to move files between HPFS
 ML> and FAT partitions without losing the long name in the process.
While
 ML> I am sure that you can write such a program (using existing OS/2
APIs),
 ML> there is no necessity to do so.  Unless, of course, you don't like
 ML> mousing around the desktop and do your serious computing from the
 ML> command line. In that case, you probably don't use long file names,
no
 ML> matter which file system you are using, because they are a nuisance
to
 ML> enter from the keyboard.
[snip]

I'm one of those people who don't like mousing around, but I also like
long
filenames.  Any inconvenience in typing them (I'm a fast typist, so it's
not much) is small compared to the annoyance experienced when trying to
figure out what 8.3 name was used to name something that would be easy
to
find with a sensible longer name.

4OS2 duplicates the WPS behavior you describe in the snipped portion,
creating the .LONGNAME attribute, and using it for the filename when the
file is copied/moved back to a HPFS drive.

And 4OS2's commandline completion also eliminates the annoyance of
typing
long filenames.  You can type just a few characters of the name, hit
tab,
and 4OS2 completes it (tab repeatedly cycles through whatever names
match
the characters you typed - the latest version of 4OS2 even has a
facility
to define what extensions are appropriate for a given program, so when I
type lxlite and hit tab, only EXE and DLL files will be cycled through).
With that, you end up typing *less* than a standard 8.3 filename.

You should probably give 4OS2 a try.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:29:11
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Install question

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Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-01-99  20:56 about Install question...

 LP> Greetings & Salutations,

 LP> Wonder if Warp 3 blue got installed, what would happen if installed
 LP> Warp 3 blue connect over it.

It should be handled just fine.

However, I'm not a fan of installing OS's on anything but a blank
partition.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:29:22
  To: NICK ANDRE                                        09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: File Systems

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on 11-02-99  16:08 about Installation problem...

 NA> Hi!

 NA> I'm trying to install OS/2 Warp 3.0 Redspine on a friends system.
He's
 NA> running  a 486DX/33Mhz all-ISA board, 400mb Quantum HD, standard
 NA> ISA/FDD controller,  and just a VGA card installed.

 NA> OS/2 starts to boot okay on Disk 0, but after the "Loading; please
 NA> wait"  message appears, the screen goes blank, and the system
stops. I
 NA> have no idea  whats going on, (Alt+F2 doesn't seem to work on the
 NA> installation disks). I've  tried everything I could think of
(disabling
 NA> cache, etc), but to no avail.
 NA> Any ideas/suggestions?

On disk 1, edit the config.sys and REM out all devices (*.add) not on
his
system. The names are all fairly obvious.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:30:03
  To: HOLGER GRANHOLM                                   09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Re: Manual?

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Some senseless babbling from Holger Granholm to Linda Proulx
on 11-01-99  18:11 about Re: Manual?...

 HG> In a message dated 10-29-99, Linda Proulx said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> Very good. I always read the manual a night or two before
installing
 HG> new software or hw.

 LP>So do I, but the OS/2 one ptreety bare.
 HG> 
 HG> Sorry Linda, I don't understand the above.
 HG> Do you?

An odd typo.  The first t should be adjacent to the second one, and one
e
removed making it:

"pretty bare"

In other words, she's saying that the OS/2 manual is sparse on
information.

I'd agree with Warp 4, but the Warp 3 manual is fairly thick.

Though it's still no match for what OS/2 2.1 came with.  I actually read
that sucker before installing.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:30:12
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Re: Network

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on 11-01-99  21:07 about Re: Network...

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP> -=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 WH>> with
 LP> Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an OS/2
unit
 LP> & a DOS unit?
 CV>     Of course. Parallel Port Adapter in MPTS.
 LP>                                         ?
 LP> And this means?

Multi-Protocol Transport Services.

That's the object you open to configure network adapters, and the
protocols
bound to them.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:30:21
  To: HOLGER GRANHOLM                                   09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

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Some senseless babbling from Holger Granholm to Murray Lesser
on 11-02-99  20:37 about An Inquiring Mind...

 HG> In a message dated 10-31-99, Murray Lesser said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> Hello Murray,

 ML>    VMODEM is part of the SIO package.  It acts as both telnet
 ML>client and telnet server, so you can both download and upload files
 ML>through it.

 HG> Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but I
 HG> think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use
VModem.
 HG> I connect with modem.

It has to be continuous for the duration of the VModem call, for
certain.
But otherwise, of course not.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:30:29
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Question Again

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Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-03-99  13:35 about Question Again...

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe
file?

A file with an extension of .CMD is treated by the command interpreter
(not coincidentally named CMD.EXE) as either a batch file (which uses
the
same syntax as DOS), or a REXX program.  For it to be treated as a REXX
program, the very first two characters of the file must be '/*', which
is
the beginning of a REXX comment.

REXX, in case you haven't figured it out by now, is a
programming/scripting
language built into OS/2.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:31:12
  To: PETER KNAPPER                                     09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Missing Window control...

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Some senseless babbling from Peter Knapper to All
on 11-06-99  13:52 about Missing Window control......

 PK> Hi Folks,

 PK> My Warp 4 FP9 system has been running fine for many months, however
 PK> about a month ago an odd intermittent problem appeared. After
running
 PK> non-stop for several days, the system suddenly loses SOME of the
window
 PK> controls, mainly noticed though the MOVE and SIZE functions. Once
the
 PK> problem appears, I can no longer move a Window by dragging it from
the
 PK> Title line, and the MOVE option on the Window menu no longer turns
the
 PK> border into dashes and allows the window to be moved. Similar, I
can no
 PK> longer re-size a window that would normally allow this to happen.
[snip]

 PK> Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas on what might be
causing
 PK> it? I have not changed anything in the past 3 months that would
appear
 PK> to be relevant, but I guess anything is possible...

 PK> Is it possible that a WPS restart might resolve this issue (there
was
 PK> no obvious automatic WPS restart), if so is there an easy way to
force
 PK> this to happen without a full system shutdown/restart?

I've never seen anything like it.  My first guess would be to suspect a
WPS
enhancer as the root cause.

Given what you provided, a WPS restart would likely clear the problem.
If
you can get to a command line, then this is easily accomplished by
killing
the second instance of PMSHELL.EXE, with a process killer such as
GO.EXE.

If it doesn't want to die (stuck in the exit list), then you'll just
have
to reboot.

Mike Ruskai
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  To: FRED SPRINGFIELD                                  09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: PM Sessions

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Some senseless babbling from Fred Springfield to All
on 11-05-99  16:21 about PM Sessions...

 FS> Perhaps this was covered a couple of years ago, but I have
forgotten
 FS> the answer.

 FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

 FS> I have made an object for it, but the MINIMIZED=YES parameter in
the
[snip]

The short answer is that you can't.

If you create an object manually (without REXX), you'll notice that as
soon
as you put in the name of the PM executable, all of the options are
greyed
out, including the "start minimized" radio button.

There's no mechanism to force PM programs to start in any particular
state,
so unless the program has its own "start minimized" setting, you're out
of
luck.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:32:03
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Win9XX Question

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Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-05-99  10:15 about Win9XX Question...

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> Once I set up my Warp & have multiboot with it & DOS, how would I
load
 LP> Win9XX on it & multiboot. That is if I ever decide to use it.

 LP> Just asking. <RBG>

Win95 is basically Win 3.x, with the only primary difference that you
can
install the bulk of its data on a drive other than C:.  It does,
however,
still require drive C: to boot from (even Windows NT does).  So, to
install
Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need to give up DOS, since it'll overwrite it
when
installing.

The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like System
Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files of the
operating
systems it supports.  It allows you to install any number of OS's on the
same partition, and choose which to boot at startup.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com

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From: Will Honea                                        09-Nov-99 19:36:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      09-Nov-99 19:36:00
Subj: Re: Get Going

Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx on 11-09-1999

AR>  HS> If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and
possibly
AR>  HS> why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive, since
FDISK
AR>  HS> will refuse to directly do this.  The answer to "how" is that I used
my 
AR>  HS> bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton Utilities.  "Why"
is a
AR>  HS> much longer story.
AR> 
AR> I am curious as to why.  What advantage does that have over using
AR> Logical partitions? 

That makes (at least) two of us!  I'd like to see that partition table
before I accept 'smoke and mirrors' after having written both boot code
and disk drivers for DOS 6 lo these many moons past.  I'm at least
curious as to how OS/2 is gonna react ;-}

For Linda:  if I were you, I would take the 2 install diskettes out of
the Warp package you have, poke them in the floppy drive and boot from
them.  When the line at the bottom of the screen offers you the
opportunity, hit F3 to get to a command line and have a peek at the
detected setup - BEFORE you try and actually install to this
configuration.

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From: Will Honea                                        09-Nov-99 19:44:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 19:44:01
Subj: Re: Get Going

Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts on 11-08-1999

LP> This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95. 
LP> These 2 OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard
LP> drive.  Your machine is living proof (at least for DOS).  I can't
LP> swear to it, but I'm almost sure that OS/2 would also see them all.
 
Sorry, Linda, but at most one primary partition per physical disk can
be seen AS A DISK VOLUME by DOS, W9x, NT, OS/2, or a compliant PC
BIOS.
 The fdisk program from any of these will see multiple primary
partitions but only one can be marked as active\visible at any one
time and used as a disk volume.  DOS - at least thru 6.22 - will not
even permit creation of more than one primary partition on a single disk
unit altho it deals with the presence of multiple primaries in a
predictable manner.  I understand that LINUX can allow visibility of
multip[le primaries, but I've never tried it.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        09-Nov-99 19:23:02
  To: Peter Knapper                                     09-Nov-99 19:23:02
Subj: Missing Window control..

Peter Knapper wrote to Will Honea on 11-09-1999

PK> Hi Will,
PK> 
PK> PK> Similar, I can no longer re-size a window
PK> PK> that would  normally allow this to happen.
PK> 
PK>  WH> Peter, this was my main reason for going to FP10 - FP9 did that to me
PK>  WH> as well.  As I understood it then, it was related to video drivers
and
PK>  WH> pmmerge.dll issues.  I would suggest you bypass some irritating
PK>  WH> 'improvements' to the file system introduced by FP10/11 and go
straight
PK>  WH> to fp12.  
PK> 
PK> Thanks Will, I did suspect as much but needed someone to confirm
PK> it. I am  fairly resistant to applying Fixpaks unless they are
PK> REALLY  needed, hence why it took me so long to move to FP9. When I 
PK> saw so few negative comments about FP9 I finally jumped  from FP5
PK> after about 8 months of waiting. I take it you are  finding FP12 to
PK> be nice and stable with no added "gotchas"?  Generally I would wait
PK> at least 3 months before applying  any FP, but if it DOES fix a
PK> particular problem, and it is  not reported as causing problems,
PK> then I may just make the  move.

FP12 has been solid for me and it corrects some of the problems I had
with 10/11.  I'd suggest skipping those, especially 11, since they
'fixed' the file system WRT the archive attribute on directories -
which promptly broke a bunch of programs.  12 'unfixed' it and all is
well again.  There is something odd about FP12 and winOS2 seamless
sessions but I can't exactly put my finger on what it is - just some
subtle little effect.

If you use Theseus/2 for anything - including the newer Memsize
monitor - get the updated version for Theseus.  Other than that all
seems quite stable.
                                                        
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From: Will Honea                                        09-Nov-99 20:16:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 20:16:03
Subj: OS/2 on old clunkers

Linda, I mentioned in another post about booting from floppy to test
drive configuration.  If you have at least EGA (preferably VGA) video
on the '89 vintage machine try booting it from the Warp 3 install
floppies.  I had several 85 - 90 motherboards which were quite happy
with Warp 3 despite rumors to the contrary.

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From: Will Honea                                        09-Nov-99 20:20:04
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   09-Nov-99 20:20:04
Subj: Win9XX Question

Roy J. Tellason wrote to MIKE RUSKAI on 11-07-1999

RT> 
RT>  MR> that you can install the bulk of its data on a drive other than 
RT>  MR> C:. 
RT> 
RT> Oh really?  That "everything on drive c:" stuff sure seems 
RT> to be built into a lot of what's out there,  both 
RT> applications and the OS...

Consider the audience for a lot of what's out there - and the source
of the OS running.  Granny had a good thought when she said that just
cause everybody is doing it don't make it right...

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From: John Thompson                                     09-Nov-99 16:29:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       10-Nov-99 02:44:27
Subj: PM Sessions

In a message to FRED SPRINGFIELD, MIKE RUSKAI wrote re: PM Sessions

FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?
 
FS> I have made an object for it, but the MINIMIZED=YES parameter in the

MR> [snip]
MR> 
MR> The short answer is that you can't.
MR> 
MR> If you create an object manually (without REXX), you'll notice that as
soon
MR> as you put in the name of the PM executable, all of the options are greyed
MR> out, including the "start minimized" radio button.

Well, you can "trick" the system into allowing you to set the 
"Start minimized" button on a PM executable.  All you have to do 
is mis-spell the executable name in the "path and filename" 
section of the settings.  While the name is mis-spelled, go to 
the "Session" page and you will find the "Start minimized" button
is now selectable.  Select it, go back to the "Program" page and 
correct the spelling on the executable name.  If you go nback to 
the "session" page, you will see that the "Start minimized" 
section is once again greyed out, but that "Start minimized" is 
still selected.  If the PM exectuable honors the "Start
minimized" request, it will start minimized.  But not all PM 
executable honor this.

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From: Murray Lesser                                     09-Nov-99 23:17:01
  To: Bat Lang                                          09-Nov-99 23:17:01
Subj: FixPak Follies

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-08-99, Bat Lang to Murray Lesser)

Hi Bat--

 ML> You might take the time some day to check out how many of the new
 ML> files in your newest FixPak replace those same-named files that
 ML> were updated in a previous FixPak.

BL>What else would one expect, given that each of these FP's includes
  >everything 'good' that was in each of the earlier FP's? At least
  >IIRC? Some file replaced by FP1 (and not changed since), will appear
  >in each subsequent FP. Not so??

   It will, but the file list in the back of the latest README will tell
the date at which each file was updated.  If this is a second update for
a particular file, that same file will appear in a previous FixPak list
with an earlier date--an indication that it (most likely) is a second
fix for a bug introduced in the first fix :-(.  The information is all
available in the documentation, if you would only look.

 RH>My advice now would be to get to the current version of OS/2.

BL>I second that advice. FP12 serves me as well as it does RH.

    Nonsense!  Even assuming that FixPak 12 is bug free (which I doubt),
there is no value to me in applying a FixPak to a system that isn't
broken (as far as my usage is concerned) unless it adds new function
that I would find to be useful (which none since Warp 4 FixPak 5 have
done).  You and RH may get pleasure from being able to brag that you are
operating at the highest Warp level.  But I spent too many years being
paid to live on computing's bleeding edge to do it for fun.  AFAIAC, the
tagline is still valid.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Holger Granholm                                   09-Nov-99 21:47:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 11-06-99, Jack Stein said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Jack,

JS>The GAWK.EXE is not large:

JS>gawk2156.exe    126484 3/17/9512:3

JS>12k is not what I would call a space filler for a hard drive.  One
JS>reason it is so small, yet so powerful is it also uses EMX, like all
JS>good UNIX ports.

If I read the above number correctly it is ca. 123.5 kb, not 12 k.
However, I agree that even 123.5 kb isn't too bad.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   09-Nov-99 21:47:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Confirmation Needed

In a message dated 11-06-99, Murray Lesser said to Ron Nicholls:

ML>(Excerpts from a message dated 11-03-99, John Thompson to Ron
ML>Nicholls)

RN> How do you format a zip, hpfs,charles?

JT>IIRC, you need one of the newer fixpacks.  You need to "lock" the ZIP
  >drive to format and use it and explicitly "unlock" the drive to
  >remove the disk.

ML>    If my experience is typical, you need an "older" FixPak :-).  I
ML>am assuming that you have the Iomega OS/2 driver package for Zip

--------------- cut --------------

ML>    So, it seems that some FixPak between Warp 3 FixPak 5 and what I
ML>am running under now invalidated the ability to format Zip diskettes
ML>HPFS. Since I have no desire to use Zip Diskettes formatted HPFS, I
ML>haven't bothered to see if a later (or earlier) FixPak will restore
ML>that ability.

Hi gang,

Having just plowed through the readme files of FP10, I remember there is
a file concerning removable media support.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:22:06
  To: Peter Knapper                                     10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> I better stop rambling, there is probably not too much I can add to the
 PK> comments you have already seen regarding your partition layout, you
 PK> will soon discover for yourself what will work well for YOU.

All info helps.

In my bid to have all options open am working with my guru.  Forwarding
everything to him & we're comming up with ideas.  Also decided I have to
keep the eventuality of loading Win95 in the future so that adds a kink,
as much as I hate the thought of that little event.  (It's the hardware
issues down the line.)

But targeting for Nov 21 for THE big day.  Picked up my copy of Warp
Unleashed today, and prepping. (Also got another Red copy thrown in!)
May be I can pass this one on to someone & help set that one up after
going through mine.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:32:14
  To: Jack Stein                                        10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 JS> Make sure you work out your drive partitions as carefully as possible.
 JS> Do it on paper and give it a lot of thought, possibly post your
 JS> thoughts here as you will get a lot of opinions on how to partition.

Sending all this info to my guru & we've been discussing it.

 LP> Have 2 hard drives setup as follows:

 LP> C - 1G
 LP> D - 1G
 LP> E,F,G - 500 MB
 LP> H - 1G
 LP> I - 1G
 LP> J - 500 MB set up with a double space drive for temp files &
 LP> single use files, eg Win installs.

 JS> I assume thats 2 2.5 gig drives with E:, F: and G: sharing 500MB?  My

No, Drive 0 - C,E,F,G
    Drive 1 - D, H, I, J

 JS> that I use is a primary, so it is C: and I can't mess with my WIN95
 JS> partition when booted to OS/2.  If I were to do it over, I would
 JS> probably change both OS/2 partition so I could have access to my WIN95
 JS> partition at all times.

How would this be done.  May have to install it later.


 JS> I would still install 3 boot partitions.  Make 2 OS/2 partitions, and
 JS> install OS/2 in both of them.  Make one the one you generally use, and
 JS> one a copy of that.  If you screw up one, you always have the other,

LOVE that idea.


 JS> Understood.  Use your second drive to back up your first.  Then, your
 JS> first drive is free for you to FDISK and generally mess around with.
 JS> Make sure you understand how the drive letters will look when you are
 JS> finished.  The big issue here is whether your second drive has a
 JS> primary partition on it or not.  If it does, it will be D:, not matter

Actually all drive partitions are set up as primary drives.  Long story,
but done.

 JS> Oh, one more tip.  When naming your drives, name them with things like
 JS> HPFS G: and HPFS BU F, WINDATA H.  That way, when you change things
Good tip.

 JS> at by what you named it.  The actual letters might change but you know
 JS> what it used to be.  This can be very helpful, I learned that the hard
 JS> way.

Is this a big grin statement?;-)


 JS> Hurry up and get it going, before Y2K kills off too many of the
 JS> experienced OS/2 people that can give you their ideas and experiences.

November 21 is targeted date if all goes well.

 JS> people when Y2K blows up a lot of old FIDO software.  A lot of sysops
 JS> are going to disappear into the night I'm afraid.

I really hope not.  Some are Y2King I know.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:35:12
  To: Jack Stein                                        10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 LP> I trust this makes sense?

Yes everything makes sense.

 JS> Anyway, 32MB of ram is plenty for OS/2.  I ran in 8 for years, no
 JS> complaints, and now only have 20, and that is also plenty.  Horrible
 JS> GUI pig apps like Netscape, WINDOWS 3.x and so on can never have enough
 JS> memory or CPU speed, or Disk speed, or video memory, so unless you have
 JS> a Cray super computer, I guess you will always need more muscle.  Not
 JS> sure a Cray would help with some of this garbage that is out today.

On that point I agree with you.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:40:26
  To: John Thompson                                     10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 JT> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only
 JT> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup.  It switches to
 JT> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the
 JT> picture completely at that point.

Yes it does.  The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed the
minimum date is somewhere in 1990.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:41:21
  To: John Thompson                                     10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: Win9XX Question

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 JT> Note that Win98 does not allow you to keep a previous version of
 JT> DOS or Windows on the drive.

Why am I not surprised?

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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:42:26
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: File Systems

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 ET> Don't you have internet access? I do have internet access under OS/2.

Nope. No $ for it.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:46:07
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: Win9XX Question

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> Just asking. <RBG>

 ET> I bet. :)

Well one has to keep the options open! %-)


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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:48:21
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: BIOS age

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GW>> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?

AMI dated 1989.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:49:11
  To: Andy Roberts                                      10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> Done.

Got it.  Thanks.

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From: August Abolins                                    09-Nov-99 22:21:19
  To: John Thompson                                     10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: 2.1

Hi John!

On 11-03-1999 at 04:00:00PM, John Thompson (1:139/0) wrote to Ron Nicholls:

 RN>> The windows had no close button, I got caught 
 RN>> diving for the top right corner every time :-)

 JT> But you can add one with NPSWPS...


Warp 3 was well established when later versions of NPSWPS were available.  I
think backward compatibility to OS/2 2.1 took a back seat.  NPSWPS had several 
problems on my modest 2.1 system.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 19:32:18
  To: Andy Roberts                                      10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> I am curious as to why.  What advantage does that have over using
 AR> Logical partitions?

You'll have to ask him.  if you really want to know I can give you his
email address. I knew. It has something to do about the weaknesses
inherent in logical partitions vs primarys. But I can't remember right
at the moment.

 AR> Somehow I have the feeling I'm about to get up to my neck in this
 AR> issue. <g>

Nah.....

 AR> I am curious about another thing.  Are you attempting to learn enough
 AR> to do all the Hardware changes and upgrades and installations and
 AR> re-installations and setup of various OSs and apps all by yourself?  Or

Yes.

 AR> are you going to have your guru do the work for you?

Never.  He's going to help me with the repartitioning with his Partition
Magic & being a sounding board and making certain that I have all the
Warp drivers from the Inet. He has had little experience with warp
beyond installing once upon a time.

 AR> No slight intended by those questions.  I can see that issue from both
 AR> sides. My sister-in-law is probably going to read this and get a good
 AR> laugh.

Now that needs explaining......


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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 19:36:05
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: win32

Greetings,

Wondering if anyone has the latest copy of the win32 for the Win/os &
can send it to me.

Also wondering how does it get installed to be used in Warp Connect.



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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 19:37:04
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Peer to Peer

Greetings,

Just to confirm that no peer-to-peer was really created for Warp
Connect.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 20:05:28
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: FTP & Telenet

Greetings,

If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not what
kind of programs would I need?

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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 20:12:23
  To: Nick Andre                                        10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: Installation problem

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Albert Sodyl wrote to NICK ANDRE <=-

 AS> Hmm... I had the same problem.  All I can think of right now is that if
 AS> you have a previous version of OS/2 or any copy of OS/2 with applied
 AS> fixpaks, you can't re-install it properly.  But if that's not the
 AS> problem, then I don't know.

I just read somthing that said the installer may have to delete or
rename autoexec.bak files.  Is that there?  Check for the backups of
autoexec/config files.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 20:24:14
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Mail reader

Greetings,

Know about MultiMail but what other y2k Os2 readers are there?

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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 20:37:03
  To: James Walker                                      10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: installing OS/2

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> James Walker wrote to All <=-

 JW> I'm trying to install Os/2 on my pentium 100 and i don't know how to go
 JW> about doing it and run a os2/win95 system at the same time.  i've never
 JW> used os/2 before and i have no idea what to do without destroying my
 JW> main hard drive. thanks.

Can you set your Board date back as far as you can?  There has been a
lot of assistance to me that may assist you.

Do you have an email address?  I can zip the posts I saved over the last
month or so & get them to you.

I also suggest go to a used book store & get some 3rd party books.  Sam
Publisher does good books.


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From: George White                                      07-Nov-99 08:56:01
  To: Peter Knapper                                     10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Missing Window control...

Hi Peter,

On 06-Nov-99, Peter Knapper wrote to All:

<snip> description of problem.

 PK> Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas on what might be
 PK> causing it? I have not changed anything in the past 3 months that
 PK> would appear to be relevant, but I guess anything is possible..

Sorry, no ideas at all :-(

 PK> Is it possible that a WPS restart might resolve this issue (there
 PK> was no obvious automatic WPS restart), if so is there an easy way
 PK> to force this to happen without a full system shutdown/restart

The latest versions of Henk Kelders WPTOOLS package CHECKINI will
force a restart of the WPS at the end of a run with correction enabled
(CHECKINI /C) without shutting down OS/2. Cleaning out the detrius
in the INI files from CDROMS I've looked at is something I do
occasionally (every few months), it helps to reduce INI file bloat.


George

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         08-Nov-99 09:00:03
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: PM Sessions

 MR> There's no mechanism to force PM programs to start in any particular
 MR> state, so [...]

There may not be a mechanism to *force* them, but there is a mechanism to
*ask* them:

        [c:\]start /pm /min PROGRAM.EXE

It's a shame that the "Start minimised" checkbox on the [Session] page of a
program object is greyed out for PM programs, because it does actually have a
use.

( Of course, as power users know, there is a sneaky trick to turn on the
"Start minimised" checkbox even if the program is a PM program. )

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         08-Nov-99 09:35:18
  To: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: NumLock

 SP> Since I just came in, would you mind to post filename again, if it is
 SP> about a program that will set numlock ON for all OS/2 sessions?

Why can you not set your echo pointers back and read the preceding message ?

This isn't Usenet where there is so much "noise" message traffic that all but
the very largest sites are forced by the sheer volume to expire newsgroups
every 2 or 3 days.  In Fidonet, nodes tend to keep messages for weeks, if not
months, before expiring them.  Jack's original message in this thread is dated 
a mere 7 days ago and is almost certainly still in your local bossnode's
messagebase.

If ever you find yourself in the situation where you have just added a Fidonet 
echo and you have missed the start of a thread by a week or two, don't ask
people to re-post because you missed things.  That just shows lack of nous on
your part.  Simply use the facilities in your offline software to reset your
message pointers back to the date of the original message, and download and
read it.  (If you are a point, then a better habit is to use the facilities of 
your bossnode's area fixing robot to rescan any new echoes at the same time as 
you link to them -- '&' instead of '+' for some robots -- so that you don't
get into this situation in the first place.  You can also use the standard
%RESCAN directive.  Send %HELP to your bossnode's area fixing robot for
details.)

As for numlock, there are three ways of going about things:

        1.  If you have a recent OS/2 Warp 4 fixpack, first try the /NUMON
command-line option to IBMKBD.SYS.

        2.  If you use JP Software's 4OS2 and Take Command for OS/2 command
interpreters, put

                if %_shell% EQ 0 .and. %_ptype% EQ FS keybd /n1

        in your 4START.BTM, and create a TCOS2 program object in your desktop
Startup folder that has "/c keybd /n1" in the parameters field.

        3.  If both of the above do not apply, download one of the many native 
OS/2 command-line utilities that can change the keyboard lock state, such as,
for example, KEYLOCKS.EXE from the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 1.0
(OS2CLU01.ZIP/OS2CLU01.ARJ on any good files site).

  JdeBP 

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From: Peter Knapper                                     10-Nov-99 20:30:13
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       10-Nov-99 09:20:13
Subj: Missing Window control...

Hi Mike,

 MR> [This may be a duplicate message.  My Fido host had a glitch]
 MR> [that prevented mail from going out for an unspecified      ]
 MR> [length of time, so I have to repost recent messages.       ]

FYI... I did not get the original message...

 MR> Some senseless babbling from Peter Knapper to All
 MR> on 11-06-99  13:52 about Missing Window control......

 PK> Hi Folks,

 PK> My Warp 4 FP9 system has been running fine for many months, however
 PK> about a month ago an odd intermittent problem appeared. After

  <... snip ...>

 MR> I've never seen anything like it.  My first guess would be to suspect a
 MR> WPS enhancer as the root cause.

Nope, nothing like that there, very standard with no add-ons........;-) As you 
may have seen by now, Will has seen the exact same symptom, so it looks like
my next step is to pick up FP12 and see how that goes...

Cheers........pk.


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Nov-99 11:58:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 09:55:08
Subj: Win9XX Question

Hello Linda,

06 Nov 99 07:16, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX:

MR> So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need to give up DOS, since
MR> it'll overwrite it when installing.

No, you don't have to do that, you can install each OS in its own partition.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Nov-99 12:00:09
  To: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 09:55:08
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Hello Linda,

06 Nov 99 12:31, Linda Proulx wrote to Peter Knapper:

LP> I guess what I want to do is maximise the 32 Mb of memory I have.  I
LP> use to run DV & I would load some program specific drivers for that
LP> session if they weren't needed in the general boot up.

You don't need to run Desqview under OS/2, if that's what you mean.

LP> In order to have more virtual sessions available to me generally I
LP> don't want to take away anything from the original OS startup that may
LP> lose me 1 or 2 available sessions later that a specific need driver
LP> would take away from my total available memory.

If you need a specific DOS driver for a specific DOS program, you can load
that driver with the DOS_DEVICE setting in the DOS settings (or DOS
properties) of the appropriate WPS object or the appropriate DOS settings text 
file when starting with HSTART a new DOS session for that specific DOS
program.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Nov-99 12:18:24
  To: Sinisa Pavlovic                                   10-Nov-99 09:55:08
Subj: NumLock

Hello Sinisa,

06 Nov 99 20:29, SINISA PAVLOVIC wrote to All:

JP>> Just looked around and was pleasantly surprised to find it on
JP>> Hobbes in PUB\OS2\UTIL\SYSTEM  It's slightly newer (1995) than my
JP>> 1994 version.

SP> Since I just came in, would you mind to post filename again, if it is
SP> about a program that will set numlock ON for all OS/2 sessions?

I haven't downloaded it yet, but I think WILLUTIL.ZIP or the appropriate
extension if another archive format.

Jack Pfisterer wrote on 1 november 1999:

JP> What I use is from the WILLUTIL package of OS/2 utilities by
JP> Will E. Rose, 1218 Leith Ave., Waukegan, IL  60085

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Dave Davidson                                     09-Nov-99 19:19:21
  To: Sean Dennis                                       10-Nov-99 12:12:22
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ

Hiya Sean,

08-Nov-99 20:41:48, Sean Dennis wrote to All
          Subject: VModem/SIO FAQ

 SD> If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how
 SD> to set it up. Let me know


 Me..Me..Me..Me.. <g>

 Can ya send me a copy?

 Thanks.


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Nov-99 11:34:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 13:23:26
Subj: FTP & Telenet

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If
 LP> not what kind of programs would I need?

Netscape will do ftp,  but not as well as several of the ftp packages out
there.  A while earlier this year I had the use of a borrowed acccount and
found that I had three different ftp packages for OS/2 in the files section
here.  I never did get around to trying them all out,  though.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Nov-99 11:31:25
  To: Will Honea                                        10-Nov-99 13:23:26
Subj: Get Going

Will Honea wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 WH> I understand that LINUX can allow visibility of multip[le 
 WH> primaries, but I've never tried it.

Indeed it can.  I have the first drive in the Linux box here with two primary
partitions on it,  the second one being used as swap.  They show up as
/dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2.  When you use one primary and put the rest of stuff
into extended/logical,  the numbering jumps to /dev/hda5 and onwards,  which
is why I did it that way -- I like my numbering to be consecutive.  <g>

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From: Sean Dennis                                       10-Nov-99 06:11:19
  To: Daniela Engert                                    10-Nov-99 16:23:04
Subj: Suppressing popups?

Hello, Daniela.

-=> Replying to a message of Daniela Engert to Sean Dennis:

 SD>> I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error
 SD>> messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an
 SD>> "invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that.  Any ideas
 SD>> how or why that isn't working anymore?

 DE> It should read 'SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C:'

Thank you for the information.  I was using 'SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C' before... I
guess I must've erased something along the way in my CONFIG.SYS.

Also, I wanted to extend a personal thank-you for writing that wonderful
device driver (DANIS506.ADD)... it solved a very perplexing and annoying
problem that I was having with my D: drive.  I have a Samsung 2.1GB HD that
would constantly shut itself off after one minute of inactivity.  I shut off
all power management in the BIOS and OS/2 with no success.  I was extremely
frustrated for quite some time, as if someone was on my BBS, the drive could
take up to a full 15-30 seconds to start spinning up again, causing the caller 
to wait.  It was very annoying to me.

I then noticed that you'd written your alternative .ADD and decided to give it 
a shot.  I installed it, rebooted... lo and behold-the drive didn't spin down
on me anymore!  Plus, I got a slightly faster response time too, which was an
added benefit.  So, needless to say, I'm very pleased and grateful that you
wrote that.  Once again, thanks!

Later,
Sean

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From: Gene Tucker                                       10-Nov-99 20:04:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       10-Nov-99 20:04:00
Subj: Vmodem/Sio Faq

In a message dated 11-08-99, Sean Dennis said to All:


SD>Hello, All.

SD>If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... 
SD>explains how to set it up.  Let me know.

SD>Later,
SD>Sean

SD>
For whcih version of SIO? 1.60d or the new old beta?
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From: Jan van der Heide                                 08-Nov-99 09:00:02
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: PM Sessions

 FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

 FS> I have made an object for it, but the MINIMIZED=YES parameter in the
 MR> [snip]

 MR> The short answer is that you can't.

 MR> If you create an object manually (without REXX), you'll
 MR> notice that as soon as you put in the name of the PM
 MR> executable, all of the options are greyed out, including the
 MR> "start minimized" radio button.

You can trick them. Just make a typing error in the executable name then
switch to the other page and set the settings you want and then switch back
and correct the executable name.

Gegroet, Jan
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From: Kaare Olsen                                       10-Nov-99 19:49:13
  To: Stewart Buckingham                                10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

Hi Stewart,

Friday November 05 1999 06:39, Stewart Buckingham wrote to Dan Egli:

 SB> Hobbes is about 3GB in size. That's about 5 CD's (if my math is
 SB> correct). Not bad for $10! I'd be interested in that deal also.

Some time ago the OS/2 Supersite were offering a CD-ROM set with all of their
files (a complete mirror of hobbes.nmsu.edu, i.e. "the real thing").

But the link on OS/2 Supersite's home page (http://www.os2ss.com/) to a page
on BMT Micro's site (http://www.bmtmicro.com/), describing the set, is broken, 
and BMT Micro don't list the set in their catalog anymore (maybe a new version 
is in the works).  I can't remember the cost, but it was more than US$10.

I never got around to ordering the CD-ROM set, but will do so when, or if, a
new set becomes available.

Regards, Kaare - Team OS/2

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From: Kaare Olsen                                       10-Nov-99 19:50:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: FTP & Telenet

Hi Linda,

Tuesday November 09 1999 20:05, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me?

Ftp is built into Netscape (just type i.e. "ftp.ibm.com" in the Location box), 
but telnet no (or rather yes, at least in Netscape 4.61; it uses the PM
version of OS/2's telnet).

 LP> If not what kind of programs would I need?

Try typing "telnet", "telnetpm" or "ftp" in a command line, and voila! you
have a text mode telnet (type "?" for help), a PM telnet, and a text mode ftp
program (type "?" for help).  These programs should be there if you have
installed TCP/IP.

Another option regarding telnet is Zap-O-Comm, it is shareware and a fully
functional demo is available from many bbs'es (search for "ZOC").

There are plenty of user-friendly ftp clients (including PM support)
available, but since I'm a command line hacker :-), I can't recommend any...

Regards, Kaare - Team OS/2

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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 11:29:12
  To: Holger Granholm                                   10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> In a message dated 11-06-99, Linda Proulx said to Peter Knapper:

 LP>The AMI bios had to be after a certain date & this bios date was
 LP>not. At least that was the info given to the User Group.

 HG> Stareting on page 317 in the manual you get the low-down for AMI BIOS.

Not in my manual.  'Unleashed' Gave the minimum AMI bios date sometime
in 1990.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 11:30:19
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> The only problem you're likely to run into with this is that it won't
 RJT> have direct support built into the BIOS for newer,  larger drives.

According to 'Unleashed' AMI bios' have to start in 1 1990 date.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 11:40:27
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: Vmodem

Greetings,

Been following the posts & hoped to catch up on what Vmodem was but
haven't been able to.  Is it a protocol, etc, or something like a
fossil?


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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 11:46:26
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: 4OS2

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to MURRAY LESSER <=-

 MR> You should probably give 4OS2 a try.

What's the newest version?  I tried 4DOS but decided the learning curve
too much of a hassle at a time when I was really busy.

I figure that if I'm learning a new OS it may be worth trying again.


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From: Nick Andre                                        10-Nov-99 15:49:03
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: Optical.Sys

Hi!

I managed to get my Corel 7010 WORM drive to work under Windows 95, but again,
it doesn't work under OS/2 3.0 Redspine (no fixpacks).

All I need is the LATEST optical.sys driver so OS/2 will see it as a drive 
letter. I've tried several versions but they seem to crash OS/2 completely, 
and I've resorted to mo.sys which doesn't find the drive at all during boot.

I don't have Internet access at the moment, but am willing to FREQ from any 
system that could help me out!

*Lord British*

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From: Ray Hyder                                         10-Nov-99 21:37:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     11-Nov-99 00:51:19
Subj: FixPak Follies

 
 * Reply to a msg from Murray Lesser @ 1:109/347 on 11-04-99        
 
 ML> As any programmer knows, it is impossible to test complex 
 ML> software to the point that one can guarantee that it is bug 
 ML> free.  (A very old programmer's adage is that the only bug-free 
 ML> software is software that is no longer in use!)  This is 
 
Awwww, geeze another old programmer with excuses on why software can't be
tested in all situations and all configurations.  Let's get to a discussion on 
regression testing? 
 
 ML> of makes) of hardware.  You might take the time some day to 
 ML> check out how many of the new files in your newest FixPak 
 ML> replace those same-named files that were updated in a previous 
 ML> FixPak. 
 
The fixpaks are cumulative.  Therefore every file that has been fixed since
fixpak 1 is included in fixpak 12.  
 
 ML> My experience has not been the same as yours.  I have had too 
 ML> many FixPaks that broke programs I had been using for years 
 ML> Not to speak of the high probability of the FixPak writers 
 ML> making poorer design decisions than were made for the "unfixed" 
 ML> original, so their FixPak has to be fixed again with later 
 ML> FixPaks :-(.  For example: Consider the "Y2K fix" in Warp 4 
 
 Surprise!  All of the change team people in IBM work for the same 
 people that developed the original code.  
 
 ML> I am sure that I could find other FixPak misadventures than 
 ML> those I have related here, if I tried very hard. 
 
I'm sure you can!  
 
All I know is that OS/2 release 4 at fixpak 12 is working very well here with 
MY set of applications...  - ray  
 
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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 13:01:22
  To: Murray Lesser                                     11-Nov-99 06:07:15
Subj: Re: Get an OS/2 guru

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 > .......  OTOH if all your partitions were "primary", then none of
 >them would be able to see any of the others on the same HD.  [It's
 >after 1AM, so I hope I got that right.  If not, someone else will
 >correct me, I'm sure.<g>]

This was not from HS.

 HS>This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95.
  >These 2 OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard
  >drive.  Your machine is living proof (at least for DOS).  I can't
  >swear to it, but I'm almost sure that OS/2 would also see them all.

 ML>     Taken in context, the unattributed paragraph is entirely correct.
 ML> As I remember the original, the topic being discussed was Boot Manager.
 ML>  If all your bootable partitions are primary partitions on the same

The only bootable partitions are the first partitions on the hard
drives.  The other partitions are primary not bootable.

 ML> drive, they all have the same partition letter (usually C: on the first
 ML> HD, since neither DOS nor Windows can boot from any other partition).

True.  DOS boots from C.

 ML> As a consequence, none of the booted systems can see any other bootable
 ML> partition because you can have only one active C: drive on a system at
 ML> a time.  (Your guru should have known this!)  With this exception, in

He does.  The other primary partitions are not bootable except for the
1st one on Drive 1.  And that's a backup in case something happens with
Drive 0. I can switch drives & still access the drives.

 HS>If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and
  >possibly why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive,
  >since FDISK will refuse to directly do this.  The answer to "how" is
  >that I used my bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton
  >Utilities.  "Why" is a much longer story.

 ML>     Do not ever, ever, ever, use Norton Utilities (or any other
 ML> DOS/Windows disk-fixer utility) on a partition (or drive) containing
 ML> OS/2 files, UNLESS you are really an expert on the OS/2 internal file
 ML> structures and know exactly what you are doing!!!

I understand.  But remember when he was setting this up I was running
DOS & Win3X.

 ML> more.  My "top" drive letter is K: for the 100 MB Zip drive.

The present setup was to keep the from having a large number of drive
letters.  Before I started with upgrading stuff I was running Dos 3.3 &
had drive letters up to P without any thing like a zip drive attached.
Once the CDROM etc gets added these add up.

 ML>     Partitioning is probably the most important decision you will make
 ML> relative to your OS/2 installation, and should not be based on a
 ML> trivial reason such as "not wanting too many drive letters" :-).  As
 ML> Jack told you, proper partitioning includes the decisions as to what is
 ML> going to go into which partition, for ease of future system
 ML> maintenance.  This depends on what you are going to do with your

And we are discussing this on an ongoing basis.  We plan to have it
worked out by Nov 21. That is the schedule for THE day at the moment.

HS is not an OS/2 guru.  And he knows it.  He knows more about DOS &
Linux world. (Have dream machine for Linux.  Will take many years of
development.  After all took 10 years to get this unit) Many moons ago
he did OS/2 installs & I am forwarding everything from here to him to
update his info.  And we're trying to set the hard drives up initially
for long term planning.

But I am doing the install.  Keep fingers crossed X.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 13:05:03
  To: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 06:07:15
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 WH> Sorry, Linda, but at most one primary partition per physical disk can
 WH> be seen AS A DISK VOLUME by DOS, W9x, NT, OS/2, or a compliant PC
 WH> BIOS.

Well, none of my partitions are logical extensions.  All are primaries &
DOS sees them all.  It works, at least in DOS. But only one is bootable.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 13:12:15
  To: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 06:07:15
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 WH> Linda, I mentioned in another post about booting from floppy to test
 WH> drive configuration.  If you have at least EGA (preferably VGA) video
 WH> on the '89 vintage machine try booting it from the Warp 3 install
 WH> floppies.  I had several 85 - 90 motherboards which were quite happy
 WH> with Warp 3 despite rumors to the contrary.

'Unleashed' says no.  Something about the AMI bios.  And the Laser has
some odd engineering.  If I do, will have to use the Red because the old
unit has no CDROM. And will lose the Connect feature.  How would I know
that it was a no go if I tried an install.  And if it worked, how would
I put the connect back in?  Would a Laplink type of file copy work if I
copied the Blue over the Red?

Would really like the old unit to be OS/2.  Always wanted it to be.

Look forward to your reply.


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From: Andy Roberts                                      10-Nov-99 11:49:07
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 06:07:15
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru

 Linda Proulx,

09-Nov-99 19:28:00, Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx
          Subject: Get an OS/2 guru

 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 11-08-99, Linda Proulx to Andy
 ML> Roberts, original topic: Get Going);

 ML> I am breaking in to what is really none of my business,

That's fine with me.  Funny how this thread has suddenly inspired that
response.  I was just telling my sister-in-law that I'm going to learn not to
stick my nose in other people's bee's wax.

 ML> but I think that if you follow the advice of a "guru" who doesn't seem
 ML> to know much about OS/2, you are going to be very disappointed with your
 ML> OS/2 experience.  (See tagline for disclaimer!)  Much of what he advises
 ML> is contrary to what several very experienced OS/2 users have told you on
 ML> this echo.  Note: Quotes from your guru's message to you are prefaced
 ML> with "HS>".  IIRC, the following (unattributed) paragraph was quoted by
 ML> your guru from an earlier message from Peter to you:

Actually I'm responsible for the following vague late night rambling.

 >>> .......  OTOH if all your partitions were "primary", then none of
 >>> them would be able to see any of the others on the same HD.
 >>> [It's after 1AM, so I hope I got that right.  If not, someone
 >>> else will correct me, I'm sure. <g>]

 HS>> This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95.
 HS>> These 2 OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard
 HS>> drive.  Your machine is living proof (at least for DOS).  I can't
 HS>> swear to it, but I'm almost sure that OS/2 would also see them
 HS>> all.

 ML> Taken in context, the unattributed paragraph is entirely correct.

Murray, I appreciate the confirmation.  I think it is important that others
don't take what I say as fact on surface value.  Especially since we now have
at least 3 newbies reading this echo.

I'm going to snip almost all of Murray's good advice, in an attempt to refocus
this thread on his new topic.

 ML> As many on this echo have told you, ...

IMO quantity of confirmations is a good way for a newbie to decide what works
until they have been here long enough to give more credit to certain
individuals who have mastered a little more than others.  Yet with a few
exceptions of what is quoted from official Red Books, White Papers and DOCs or
other expert sources, everything posted in Fidonet should be considered
opinion based on personal experiences including handed down info passed on
from others.  And since we are all human, we are all capable of forgetting
some details, making mistakes, typos or otherwise post info that may need
further explanation.  An advantage of having many users say essentially the
same thing is that it comes out in different words, which may be easier to
understand from some than it is from others.

Since OS/2 is a more technically sophisticated OS than most other popular
OSs, it stands to reason that many of the users in these OS/2 echoes are
Technicians, Engineers, Programmers, Computer Consultants, Business owners,
System Administrators, Old Timers, other professionals, or those who just
want reliability, who have a lot of experience and do sometimes seem to speak
a language that is almost foreign to a novice.  And the topics often deal
with issues and go into details that are far above what most DOS and WinXX
end users have experience to relate to easily.  While we don't deliberately
try to speak in terms that are over someone else's head or otherwise make
ourselves into an elite click, it is possible that some newbies need someone
else to explain what we have said.  Hence the guru.

 ML> Most people who have installed OS/2 successfully have not been
 ML> handicapped by knowing any guru.  I suggest you do what we have done:
 ML> learn by trial and error,

Well said.

 ML> aided by a consensus of members of this conference as necessary.

IMO "necessary" does not mean instead of reading the DOCs, nor instead of
trying first.  It is excellent for filling in small gaps in someone else's
experience and pointing towards other info or alternatives.  But we generally
expect our advice to be for DIY (Do It Yourself.)

 ML> Unless, of course, you can find a real OS/2 guru :-).

LOL.. Like I said before, I'm not a guru.  Even though I have in the past
filled every 1 of the categories that I mentioned attract users to this echo.
There are several people in this echo that make (or made) a living installing
and maintaining computer systems for businesses.  But most end users can not
afford the expense of such services.  There are several of us in this echo
who are slowly withdrawing from even offering free support outside of our
immediate family.  And the reason for that is usually because some others
either want us to do it all for them (without really making any effort to
learn to do it for them self) or they are stuck in DOS-Think or addicted to
M$.  Having a guru that doesn't know much about OS/2 is sort of like all 3 of
those reasons.  But even worse is when they have setup your system to be so
unique that it can not be dealt with using standard tools and methods.

Specifically at this point previous recommendations to use Backup and Restore
or ZIP to save your data so you can rearrange your HD to accommodate OS/2 and
then if you want put it back the way it exists now, by simply using Restore
again, may not work.  Your data may still be intact, but any odd ball
partitioning jerry-rigging may be lost, until you have your guru come back and
do it all over again.  BTW, I'm still waiting to see a really good reason why
all that jerry-rigging was necessary.

Many of the users of this echo post to help others because they too were
novices at 1 time and are returning the favor, like passing on a skilled trade
from 1 generation to the next.  Their only reward is the good feeling they get
when their advice has led to success.

This is the 2nd time within a month (the other in a different echo) in which I
have posted advice only to find out later some detail that was not mentioned
earlier, made a simple situation rather complex.  Personally I feel I am
getting too old to deal with all that.  And if you have a guru to help you
then you don't really need my help anyway.  But things could change, and like
Murray said in his TagLine:

 ML> --* Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Murray Lesser                                     11-Nov-99 06:28:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       11-Nov-99 06:28:00
Subj: Installation problem

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-09-99, Mike Ruskai to Murray Lesser)

Hi Mike--

 ML> I am sure that you can write such a program (using existing OS/2
 ML> APIs), there is no necessity to do so.  Unless, of course, you
 ML> don't like mousing around the desktop and do your serious computing
 ML> from the command line. In that case, you probably don't use long
 ML> file names, no matter which file system you are using, because they
 ML> are a nuisance to enter from the keyboard.
[snip]

MR>I'm one of those people who don't like mousing around, but I also
  >like long filenames.  Any inconvenience in typing them (I'm a fast
  >typist, so it's not much) is small compared to the annoyance
  >experienced when trying to figure out what 8.3 name was used to name
  >something that would be easy to find with a sensible longer name.

MR>4OS2 duplicates the WPS behavior you describe in the snipped portion,
  >creating the .LONGNAME attribute, and using it for the filename when
  >the file is copied/moved back to a HPFS drive.
[snip]

MR>You should probably give 4OS2 a try.

    Thanks, but no thanks.  I do not like such substitute command-line
utilities because I can't be bothered to learn another command language
based on someone else's idiosyncrasies.  If I wanted such a utility I
would write it myself, so it would be based on my idiosyncrasies :-).
Rather than a kit-of-tools approach, I write individual utilities (in
PL/I or in REXX) that mechanize those individual tasks that I do
frequently.  Seems to work for me, but I would never recommend this
approach to anyone else.  Using one's own computer is a very individual
thing, and what works well for me would not necessarily work for you.

    In any case, I have never had the necessity of copying a file from
HPFS to FAT, preserving the long name.  I was merely telling Eddy
Thilleman how to do it, in response to his posted query.  So the only
time I have ever played that game was with a dummy file having a long
name that I set up to make sure that I knew how to do what I was telling
Eddy to do, before I told him.

    As far as my own computer usage is concerned, I've never had any
trouble in finding an 8.3 file (I had written) that I wanted later.  I
use subdirectories, rather than long names, to categorize files.  For
example:  Copies of all my outgoing correspondence for the year are in
an HD directory named "CORRESP" and each file name is made up of the (up
to) eight characters of the recipient's name, followed by an extension
of three characters coding the date.  There is also a file in that
directory named CORRESP.SUM, that carries a brief summary of each of the
other files in the directory.  Come December 31, I print the contents of
CORRESP.SUM and file the printout in a notebook.  I then zip the
contents of that directory (filename: YYCORRES.ZIP where "YY" is the
last two digits of the year in question) and archive the zip file to an
Iomega Zip diskette, after which I wipe out the CORRESP directory
contents and start over.

    This is a very small part of my year-end system housekeeping tasks!
There are a lot of home-grown date-sensitive record-keeping programs
that must be modified and recompiled for each new year.  Each such
program lives in its own subdirectory, along with all of the record
files it is keeping (the backups are on floppies).  The past year's
version, along with its data files, are also archived to that same Zip
diskette before deleting the HD directory they had been in.

    So, it doesn't take much effort to find any piece of outgoing
correspondence written at any time since 1984, when I started this
procedure.  (Note that "long file names" were not available in 1984.)
All early versions of the record-keeping programs since 1988, along with
the records it kept, are also easily available from the same Zip
diskette.  None of them need long filenames to find, and none are
wasting space on my hard drive.  (I archived to floppies until I got the
Zip drive a few years ago.  Things are much easier, nowadays.)

    As you see, I can find no reason for me to use long file names, so I
don't.

    Viva la idiosyncrasy :-),

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Nov-99 20:42:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 11-07-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Eddy,

ET>ZOC has its own telnet client, it doesn't need Vmodem. I don't know
ET>if ZOC has also a telnet server, if not and you want to run a telnet
ET>server, vmodem is also a telnet server.

Thanks for the info. That's what was buried deep down in the grey cells.
Yesterday I checked my filed docs but found very little on ZOC. Mostly
evolution history.

ET>... Join SATALQ "Sysops Against Taglines and Large Quotes"

Yes, I will.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Nov-99 20:42:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: File Systems

In a message dated 11-07-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Linda Proulx:

ET>> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html

LP> You've got to be able to get there <G>.

ET>Don't you have internet access? I do have internet access under
ET>OS/2.

She hasn't even installed OS/2 yet!

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Nov-99 20:42:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ

In a message dated 11-08-99, Sean Dennis said to All:

SD>If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how to
SD>set it up.
SD> Let me know.

Hi Sean,

If it brings anything new in addition to the docs, I'd be interested.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Nov-99 20:42:00
  To: Daniela Engert                                    11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Suppressing popups?

In a message dated 11-08-99, Daniela Engert said to Sean Dennis:

 SD> I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error
 SD> messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an
 SD> "invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that.  Any ideas
 SD> how or why that isn't working anymore?

DE>It should read 'SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C:'

Correct Dani.  However, in Warp 4 GA it was used without the colon.
I know because I'm still using the GA.

This is also mentioned in section 5.11.1 in the readme file for
the fixpaks.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Lee Aroner                                        09-Nov-99 17:09:00
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar                          11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: File Systems

 LE>> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware.
 LE>> Netware creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access
 LE>> such files. The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor
 LE>> "settable" (at least in my version of Netware). 

JdBP>  JdBP>> I disagree.  The better way to fix this problem would be for
OS/2's
    >  JdBP>> VDM  kernel and the VDOS VDD to support the new DOS API calls
that 
    >  JdBP>> were created for MS-DOS version 7.  They mirror various existing 
DOS 
    >  JdBP>> API calls, such as "open file", but allow the use of long
filenames 
    >  JdBP>> as parameters.

 LA> I gotta agree with this. In fact, was thinking yesterday about    
 LA> how it should be possible to create an IFS to do just this for    
 LA> DOS and Win apps...

JdBP> Creating an IFS wouldn't do any good.  What is required is 
    > a VDD.  If is the VDD layer that filters out the non-8.3 
    > filenames, not the IFS drivers.


   Yeah, a VDD, that's what I meant...  :-)

   Seriously though, that would require a *replacement* of the VDD, 
   would it not?

                                       LRA


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From: George Fliger                                     10-Nov-99 07:10:18
  To: Daniela Engert                                    11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Re: Suppressing popups?

On 8 Nov 99 06:18pm, Daniela Engert wrote to Sean Dennis:

 DE> Hi Sean!

 DE> Thus quoth Sean Dennis to All :

 SD> I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error
 SD> messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an
 SD> "invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that.  Any ideas
 SD> how or why that isn't working anymore?

 DE> It should read 'SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C:'

The correct statement is "SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C", the "C" not being followed
by a colon.  This has not changed with the advent of FP11.

Note that Sean's post above has only one (1) "P" in SUPPRESSPOPUPS when
it should have two (2), making the statement "invalid" as reported by
the system.  Fixing the typo will fix the error.  Adding a colon after
the "C" will, again, make the statement invalid.

George


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From: Peter Knapper                                     11-Nov-99 21:07:05
  To: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 09:20:03
Subj: Missing Window control..

Hi Will,

 WH> FP12 has been solid for me and it corrects some of the problems I had
 WH> with 10/11.  I'd suggest skipping those, especially 11, since they
 WH> 'fixed' the file system WRT the archive attribute on directories -
 WH> which promptly broke a bunch of programs.  12 'unfixed' it and all is
 WH> well again.  There is something odd about FP12 and winOS2 seamless
 WH> sessions but I can't exactly put my finger on what it is - just some
 WH> subtle little effect.

I dont use Win sessions too much, occasional Word and Access but little else. 

 WH> If you use Theseus/2 for anything - including the newer Memsize
 WH> monitor - get the updated version for Theseus.  Other than that all
 WH> seems quite stable.

I have the 5 Oct Theseus, but not sure what to do with it just yet....;-) I
gave up on Memsize 4 and went back to 3.30 which does not have the CD problem. 
The continuous searching of my CD changer was a right pain. Rick Papo has had
a look but has not been able to find anything yet, even disabling specific
driver letters from the search is of no help!

Cheers..........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     11-Nov-99 19:52:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 09:20:03
Subj: Peer to Peer

Hi Linda,

 LP> Just to confirm that no peer-to-peer was really created for Warp
 LP> Connect.

Try as I might, I cannot work out exactly what it is you are trying to say/ask 
here.....;-) So here are some comments based on what I think you MIGHT be
trying to say, and as such may appear to be repetitive...

No, Warp Connect does NOT include a proprietary Peer-to-Peer Networking
environment, however it DOES include a PUBLIC Peer-to-Peer Networking
environment based on a documented Networking "standard", SMB (Server Message
Block) and it is compatible with other SMB implementations.

My understanding is that the Warp Connect Peer-to-Peer Networking
implementation was developed specifically for Warp Connect, however IBM
already had most of it available as an add-on to previous versions of OS/2.

Does that help?.........pk.


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Nov-99 19:30:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      11-Nov-99 11:15:15
Subj: FTP & Telenet

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-09-99  20:05 about FTP & Telenet...

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not what
 LP> kind of programs would I need?

OS/2 has FTP and Telnet clients included.  There are all sorts of
alternatives, of course, but it's pointless discussing them until you
install OS/2.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Nov-99 19:37:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      11-Nov-99 11:15:15
Subj: Re: Get Going

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Andy Roberts
on 11-08-99  14:35 about Re: Get Going...

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> I think that I had stated that I sent your comments to my computer
 LP> guru who had set up my hard drives.  Forwarding his reply.
[snip]

Be sure to read Murray Lesser's message to you on this topic.  He brings up
several valid points.

Your guru has made some fundamental errors, which should be a warning flag.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Nov-99 19:39:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      11-Nov-99 11:15:15
Subj: Re: Get Going

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Andy Roberts
on 11-09-99  19:32 about Re: Get Going...

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
 
 AR> I am curious as to why.  What advantage does that have over using
 AR> Logical partitions?

 LP> You'll have to ask him.  if you really want to know I can give you his
 LP> email address. I knew. It has something to do about the weaknesses
 LP> inherent in logical partitions vs primarys. But I can't remember right
 LP> at the moment.

Sorry, but you're being fed nonsense.  If anything can be said to have a
weakness, it's a primary partition - there can only be four of this
creature on a drive.

If I were a paranoid fellow, I'd say primary partitions have one other
weakness as well - if a boot sector virus (acquired while booted to
DOS/Win95, no doubt) destroys the master boot record (which includes the
partition table where all primary partitions are defined), it'd be much
more difficult to restore the existing primary partitions than any existing
logical drives in the extended partition.  If there are no primary
partitions at all, restoring the drive's partitioning would be as simple as
location a single sector, and pointing to that sector with a single
partition entry in the newly repaird MBR.
 
 LP> Never.  He's going to help me with the repartitioning with his
 LP> Partition Magic & being a sounding board and making certain that I have
 LP> all the Warp drivers from the Inet. He has had little experience with
 LP> warp beyond installing once upon a time.

This should be taken by you as a big warning flag.  How can he be a guru if
he has little experience with OS/2?

That he's given you fundamentally incorrect information about DOS should be
leading you on a path towards parting company with his advice, if not his
person.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Nov-99 19:46:00
  To: JAMES WALKER                                      11-Nov-99 11:15:15
Subj: installing OS/2

Some senseless babbling from James Walker to All
on 11-08-99  00:21 about installing OS/2...

 JW> I'm trying to install Os/2 on my pentium 100 and i don't know how to
 JW> go about doing it and run a os2/win95 system at the same time.  i've
 JW> never used os/2 before and i have no idea what to do without destroying
 JW> my main hard drive. thanks.

The short answer is that you'll have to destroy that hard drive, and
restore from a backup.

To do a "proper" dual installation of OS/2 would require adding at least
two partitions to the drive - one for Boot Manager, and one for OS/2.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Nov-99 19:47:00
  To: PETER KNAPPER                                     11-Nov-99 11:15:15
Subj: Missing Window control...

Some senseless babbling from Peter Knapper to Mike Ruskai
on 11-10-99  20:30 about Missing Window control......

 PK> Hi Mike,
 
 MR> [This may be a duplicate message.  My Fido host had a glitch]
 MR> [that prevented mail from going out for an unspecified      ]
 MR> [length of time, so I have to repost recent messages.       ]

 PK> FYI... I did not get the original message...
 
 MR> Some senseless babbling from Peter Knapper to All
 MR> on 11-06-99  13:52 about Missing Window control......
 
 PK> Hi Folks,
 
 PK> My Warp 4 FP9 system has been running fine for many months, however
 PK> about a month ago an odd intermittent problem appeared. After

 PK> <... snip ...>
 
 MR> I've never seen anything like it.  My first guess would be to suspect a
 MR> WPS enhancer as the root cause.

 PK> Nope, nothing like that there, very standard with no
 PK> add-ons........;-) As you may have seen by now, Will has seen the exact
 PK> same symptom, so it looks like my next step is to pick up FP12 and see
 PK> how that goes... 

Yes, I saw that later on.  I skipped right over FP9, so didn't have the
pleasure of experiencing that problem :)

I am using FP10 right now, with no such problems (or any others).

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Andy Roberts                                      10-Nov-99 16:30:08
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Re: Get Going

 Linda Proulx,

09-Nov-99 19:32:36, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
 LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: Get Going

 AR>> I am curious as to why.  What advantage does that have over using
 AR>> Logical partitions?

 LP> You'll have to ask him.  if you really want to know I can give you
 LP> his email address. I knew.

I have his E-mail address from his original msg you forwarded in here.  But I
don't think I will ask him, since if you keep sending these msgs to him he
will see that there are several of us that want to know about that.  Actually
it would be best if he could pick up this echo directly and avoid the
forwarding confusion.

 LP> It has something to do about the weaknesses inherent in logical
 LP> partitions vs primarys. But I can't remember right at the moment.

Humm... well see.

 AR>> Somehow I have the feeling I'm about to get up to my neck in this
 AR>> issue. <g>

 LP> Nah.....

I would really like to see you post your FDISK /QUERY and PartList > output
from a temporary floppy boot.  I'll try to reserve further comment until after
we see that.  It may not be anything to be concerned about.  But it certainly
raises some questions.

 AR>> I am curious about another thing.  Are you attempting to learn
 AR>> enough to do all the Hardware changes and upgrades and
 AR>> installations and re-installations and setup of various OSs and
 AR>> apps all by yourself?

 LP> Yes.

At the very least since you will be doing your own work on your machine, you
might consider reverting to and sticking with standard practices, at least
until you are sure what works and what doesn't, so to avoid blaming the wrong
thing if it doesn't work.

 AR>> Or are you going to have your guru do the work for you?

 LP> Never.  He's going to help me with the repartitioning with his
 LP> Partition Magic

If it were me doing the work, then I would not use Partition Magic.  A lot can
be said for and against various versions of Partition Magic.  I've never used
it and I probably never will, since there are other alternatives, which result
in a cleaner HD in some cases, and when there are problems the solutions are
usually nothing less than what I would do without Partition Magic.

I would backup all your data which can still be used under OS/2's DOS.  Then I
would do a Low Level Format of your whole HD to get rid of any jerry-rig
partition changes, which might cause unexpected and undesirable results.

 LP> & being a sounding board

Humm... Hopefully you won't become even more confused.

 LP> and making certain that I have all the Warp drivers from the Inet.

That is very nice.

 LP> He has had little experience with warp beyond installing once upon a
 LP> time.

I agree with Murray about that.

 AR>> No slight intended by those questions.  I can see that issue from
 AR>> both sides.  My sister-in-law is probably going to read this and
 AR>> get a good laugh.

 LP> Now that needs explaining......

Well it is long, but light hearted, so here goes.

As far as both sides:

Some users are interested only in performing a limited number of tasks and
have no interest in the technical details of computers, which are little more
than an advanced typewriter or fancy game to them.  That group is going to
need someone on a regular basis to perform installations, upgrades and
repair.  Basically they want a turn-key system.  They prefer special tutoring
rather than using the F1 online help.  Reading DOCs is out of the question.
Once they get used to a particular set of apps, they resist change and would
not consider experimenting to discover additional features or uses for their
tool or toy.  That group relies heavily on System Administrators and other
contract service personnel or friends just to keep working and rarely
upgrades their hardware in preference to getting a new machine every year.
Without a guru they would not be involved in computers actively.  They stop
progressing while they are still a follower, because learning is APITA for
them.  That groups is not only made up of business users, but also novices
and many M$ users.  That is the group that mass media marketing aims for.

The other side:

Those who see someone else do some new trick and eagerly try to learn how to
do it too.  They don't have an unlimited budget to pay others to do anything
for them, so they eventually learn to do almost everything for them self.
They spend many months debating every detail of every spec, feature, price
and source as they upgrade piece by piece.  They almost never buy any device
without a very good reason and plan for it's use to perform something new
that their present obsolete system can't do without that upgrade.  They may
never have a completely new top of the line system, but that does not prevent
them from getting the most out of what they have.  Their enthusiasm builds as
they learn more about computers and software until eventually it becomes
almost an obsession.  They become the "friend" that others rely on.  The only
limit to what they will try is what they can get their hands on.  They learn
to type fast and read fast and remember more.  Their computer may be a tool
and a toy, but it is far more than just that, it is also a hobby.  They tend
to share their experience freely so that others can share in the enjoyment of
their mutual hobby.  Fidonet has a lot of them now.  Many times their hobby
gets so expensive that they look for ways to offset the cost by selling their
services one way or another.  While they may find work in a larger computer
related company, they often find the limits of someone else's company too
confining and become self employed.  They are not satisfied to specialize in
a single task or app.  They become a 'jack of all trades'.  Some of them do
become 'master' of several of those trades.  Unlike the first group this
group progresses from follower to leader in a never ending step by step
learning experience that would jump by leaps and bounds if they could just
find enough time and the opportunity.  This group does have novices that
migrated from the 1st group, but they don't stay novices for long.  The
average user in this group already knows more than 99% of marketing personnel
and are not fooled by mass media.  Bill Gates has very little interest in
this group, because they are not content with unnecessary bugs and will often
push, pull and shove developers of both hardware and software to make
improvements.  They often become "insiders" in the computer industry.  Some
of them are M$ users, but they also know about several versions of DOS,
Linux, MAC and eventually OS/2.  The older members of this group occasionally
pride themselves by expressing memories of computer and communication systems
that were long gone before the average members of the 1st group were even
born.  These are the technicians that became programmers and engineers and
developers.  Most of them stay young at heart and actively involved
regardless of their age.

My sister-in-law falls between the cracks of those 2 groups.  She would try to
tell you that she is not technically orientated, but she is a perfectionist.
IMO she is still a novice, but she learns very fast.  She got started with
her own PC because she wanted to run Family Tree for OS/2 which she saw I
had.  I built her very 1st system this year from parts I selected to be the
best available at the time within a reasonable price range, considering she
would probably keep that machine and 95% of its parts for many years to come.
It is a P450i with 256MB RAM on a Asus P2BL MoBo with the fastest Adaptec
SCSI and a Matrox AGP G200 with 32MB RAM and a 19" .22 Monitor.  I installed
all her software.  But she knew up front that she was going to have to learn
to use it mostly by herself, since she lives several hundred miles away.  So
she didn't have the time to learn step by step, she was forced to learn in
leaps and bounds.  And sometimes that quick learning process was rather
frustrating, especially considering that in person I can easily speak at 200
words per minute.  To aid in this I setup OS2You2 Host on her machine through
which I have almost full remote control via Internet.  And of course she
promptly learned to use E-Mail.  You might think that with all that, she
wouldn't have many problems.  But for some reason the grace of god hasn't
worked exactly like that.  I guess there is really no way to cheat the novice
experience.  All the software she uses is exactly the same as what I have here
and have been running with virtually no problems.  But on her much faster
system and slightly different usage, she managed to discover 1 problem after
another; almost none of which were caused by operator error.  So for a couple
of months after she got her machine in July we went through a lot of software
upgrading and badgering developers and OEMs about bugs.  Some of which I know
she is just tolerating, because I don't have the time to drive down there to
do anything about them.  And it is completely out of the question to attempt
to install a new FixPak or video driver via remote control.  Besides she is
still trying to understand partition and subdirectory structures and file
extensions.  In spite of all that she now has almost 1000 people in her
Family Tree.  Now I'm not sure if she wonders if she will ever get everything
on her system working just right, or if she is curious about what I say about
her in these echoes, but in either case she has been reading every msg from
beginning to end.  And if she ever had any misconceptions about a guru taking
care of every little problem for her, then I'm sure she knows better now.  At
her rate she will be advancing out of the novice class soon.

BTW, she did get a laugh out of my previous questions to you.  Which means
she knew they were leading questions.  By now it should be obvious to you
what those questions were an attempt to lead you to.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      10-Nov-99 23:32:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: win32

 Linda Proulx,

09-Nov-99 19:36:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All
          Subject: win32

 LP> Wondering if anyone has the latest copy of the win32 for the
 LP> Win/os & can send it to me.

 LP> Also wondering how does it get installed to be used in Warp
 LP> Connect.

---
W32S125.Exe                     03-08-96       2,287,298
    Win32s v1.25 update. Apply to Win-OS/2, then download and follow
    instructions in vw32s125.zip.

Vw32S125.Zip                    10-16-95          12,921
    BETA version of win32s 1.25 support for OS/2 WARP. README files contain
    more information.

W32S125B.Zip                    10-16-95          12,832
    Win32s v.1.25b
---

Are you sure you really want over 2MB before you even install OS/2 to see if
you really need them for your particular apps?

Those are on the CD I suggested previously.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      10-Nov-99 23:39:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Peer to Peer

 Linda Proulx,

09-Nov-99 19:37:09, Linda Proulx wrote to All
          Subject: Peer to Peer

 LP> Just to confirm that no peer-to-peer was really created for Warp
 LP> Connect.

Incorrect.  Peer-to-Peer is exactly what Warp Connect has over Warp3 blue.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      10-Nov-99 23:41:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: FTP & Telenet

 Linda Proulx,

09-Nov-99 20:05:56, Linda Proulx wrote to All
          Subject: FTP & Telenet

 LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not
 LP> what kind of programs would I need?

NetScape does have some rather limited ability for FTP and can call another
prgm to Telnet.  There are other clients included with OS/2 for both FTP and
Telnet.  Although most of us probably use some of a wide variety of 3rd-party
prgms for those purposes.  Mostly I use NcFTP.

Again many of those 3rd-party prgms are on the CD I suggested.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                11-Nov-99 11:43:22
  To: Jack Stein                                        11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Get Going

02 Nov 99 07:30, Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx:

 JS> The important thing is to install your operating systems on small 
 JS> partitions.  No need to backup up much of your operating system, as 
 JS> it is already backed up on your install disks.

That's what I've got setup here. I learned my lesson when I had to
re-install everything after my single partition puked.

OS/2 resides on a 300MeB partition right now, with apps, etc.. on
seperate partitions. I've already had to re-install OS/2 once, and it
was relatively quick and painless.

Just re-install the OS, and re-create icons for the neccesary
applications.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                11-Nov-99 11:53:06
  To: George Fliger                                     11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Re: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ?

05 Nov 99 06:59, George Fliger wrote to Tony Pater:

 TP>>   ICQ/2 for OS/2 [BETA VERSION 1.503i]
[...]
 TP>>  However, when I've logged into ICQ homepage to 'register'
 TP>>  (and obtain an ID number), I can't see any procedure to
 TP>>  do so.
[...]

 GF> You need to go over to www.mirabilis.com (I believe I spelled that
 GF> right) and register with them to get an ICQ ID.  Once you have that 
 GF> you should be able to run your ICQ client and fill in your ID 
 GF> information from what mirabilis.com gave you when you registered.  
 GF> After that, you're home free.

..Or, the author of ICQ/2 could add support for registering a new/existing
UIN. Worst comes to worst, he could download and view the source code to
LICQ (http://www.licq.org) and see how they do it.

Aside;

LICQ is Open Source software released under the GPL. Anyone is free to
use the code as they wish, but I believe they're asked to give credit to
the original aut hor - but at the very least not try to takecredit/
copyright for said code.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                11-Nov-99 11:41:04
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

01 Nov 99 19:10, Garth Ramsay wrote to Dave Davidson:

 GR> Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's....

Why? I've seen an AMD K6-2 233 outperform an Intel Pentium 233 in the
same machine (just pull the Intel and pop in the AMD).

Currently we have the AMD K6-2 233 running our OS/2 gateway for our LAN.
Runs 4 BBS nodes, a full suite of Internet servers, and a NAT server.

No problems what-so-ever. Besides, the AMD's cost a fraction of what the
equivalent Intel processors cost.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                11-Nov-99 11:50:29
  To: Jack Stein                                        11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Weird windows...

04 Nov 99 00:12, Jack Stein wrote to Sean Dennis:

 SD>> --- tty1@afterhours/2 (GoldED/2)

 JS>> I assume that is where you want it sent?

 JS> No luck there Sean:
 JS> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 JS> 550 <tty1@afterhours/2>... Host unknown (Name server: afterhours/2: 
 JS> host not found)

Obviously "afterhours/2" isn't a hostname.

I don't have the RFC handy at the moment, but I do believe that "/" is
not a valid character in a hostname, as it implies a path/directory off
of said hostname.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                11-Nov-99 11:55:15
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Win9XX Question

05 Nov 99 10:15, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> Once I set up my Warp & have multiboot with it & DOS, how would I 
 LP> load Win9XX on it & multiboot. That is if I ever decide to use it.

You'll have to partition your drive(s) and install Win'9x first.
Otherwise, you'll need a boot manager that can hide the OS/2 partition.

One way around this problem is to setup both OS/2 and Win'9x on primary
partitions, that way one can't see (interfere with) the other.

The better way to do it (so that OS/2 can see the files on the Win'9x
partition) is to install OS/2 to a logical drive. Like I said, install
Win'9x first to a primary (C:) partition, then OS/2, or hide the OS/2
partition before installing Win'9x.

In the Win'98 setup/installation it will inform you that it found "other
operating system files" and ask if you would like to remove them. Say
"NO". Format the C: partition (for the Win'9x installation) manually.

Stewart Honsberger,
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From: Steve McCrystal                                   10-Nov-99 06:40:18
  To: SINISA PAVLOVIC                                   11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Epson print problem

;
In a msg of <Sunday November 07 1999>, SINISA PAVLOVIC writes to All:
;
SINISA,

 SP> BTW, there is some Epson driver on IBM site under
 SP> os2/ddpak/epomni.exe

 SP> Is it worth trying?

In a word, yes! For one thing, it is more current than the Epson Germany
release, and more likely to support your printer.  It's not a given, but it IS 
worth a try.

-[Steve]-

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From: Ian Moote                                         11-Nov-99 14:06:00
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Get Going

MR> This should be taken by you as a big warning flag.  How can he be a
MR> guru if he has little experience with OS/2?
MR>
MR> That he's given you fundamentally incorrect information about DOS
MR> should be leading you on a path towards parting company with his
MR> advice, if not his person.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've been kind-of following this thread and have been getting a pretty 
good laugh at a lot of the "advice" that Linda has been getting. This, 
however, seems to be a bit on the drastic side. Could you clarify this 
for me?

Take care and TTYL.

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From: David Randall                                     11-Nov-99 15:56:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: FTP & Telenet

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If
 LP> not what kind of programs would I need?

If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem and use any DOS 
terminal program for a telnet client.  I've used Telix and Front Door in this
manner.  Or get a copy of the OS/2 version of ZOC.

Netscape will connect to most ftp sites, but I prefer to use the Win3.1
version of CuteFTP. 


                        
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From: David Randall                                     11-Nov-99 16:03:25
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Vmodem

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> Been following the posts & hoped to catch up on what Vmodem
 LP> was but haven't been able to.  Is it a protocol, etc, or
 LP> something like a fossil?

It's part of the SIO comm driver package.  It allows you to setup a virtual
modem.  This tricks DOS comm programs into thinking that they're using a real
modem on a dial-up line even tho they're being used over the internet.  This
enables me to use Telix for a telnet client and to use a mailer to connect
with another mailer over the net for my echomail feed.



                                   
 
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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:00:04
  To: George White                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> George White wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GW> You've just told us you are still applying real mode DOS think to a
 GW> fully virtual memory system.

True.  Have to learn OS/2 think %)

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:19:02
  To: Andy Roberts                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: Get an OS/2 guru

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> Since OS/2 is a more technically sophisticated OS than most other

Which is why I want to use it.

 AR> popular OSs, it stands to reason that many of the users in these OS/2
 AR> echoes are Technicians, Engineers, Programmers, Computer Consultants,
 AR> Business owners, System Administrators, Old Timers, other

Love the thought of all that wealth of experience.

 AR> professionals, or those who just want reliability, who have a lot of
 AR> experience and do sometimes seem to speak a language that is almost
 AR> foreign to a novice.  And the topics often deal with issues and go into

Not totally foreign but has been many years since I've had to deal with
starting something like this from scratch.

 ML> Most people who have installed OS/2 successfully have not been
 ML> handicapped by knowing any guru.  I suggest you do what we have done:
 ML> learn by trial and error,

Which I intend to do.  I'm doing the install.

 AR> IMO "necessary" does not mean instead of reading the DOCs, nor instead
 AR> of trying first.  It is excellent for filling in small gaps in someone
 AR> else's experience and pointing towards other info or alternatives.  But
 AR> we generally expect our advice to be for DIY (Do It Yourself.)

And I am looking forward to it.  Love the process of setup.  Sometimes I
think that a project is an excuse to play.  The data/outcome is an aside
to the fun of creating it.  Managed to get a copy of 'Unleashed' &
reading it but I know that it will make more sense after the install.

 ML> Unless, of course, you can find a real OS/2 guru :-).

There are a few from my User Group days but they are very busy.  Sigh.

 AR> this echo. There are several people in this echo that make (or made) a
 AR> living installing and maintaining computer systems for businesses.  But

I use to once upon a time actually. Of course in the DOS world.

 AR> most end users can not afford the expense of such services.  There are
 AR> several of us in this echo who are slowly withdrawing from even
 AR> offering free support outside of our immediate family.  And the reason

I totally understand.  I use to help out but they would get to the 'a
little knowlege is dangerous' phase & get into the most unbelievable
situations, then blame me.  Now I do a 'decide what you want to do, this
is what you should look for, & don't go to these computer places' kind
of advice. I still maintain a few friends' stuff & assist in organizing
things, but that's it.  I did commit myself the other day, though, to
helping someone who was given a 286 recently who is a total computer
novice. Someone else is giving her a 386 board & I'm going to put in the
new board & load Geoworks on the system & do a Y2K patch, etc.  And help
her learn how to use it.  My contribution to helping someone become
computer literate.

 AR> or they are stuck in DOS-Think or addicted to M$.  Having a guru that
 AR> doesn't know much about OS/2 is sort of like all 3 of those reasons.

He's not my OS/2 guru, more of a hardware guru.

 AR> But even worse is when they have setup your system to be so unique that
 AR> it can not be dealt with using standard tools and methods.

It's not really that way, honest.

 AR> until you have your guru come back and do it all over again.  BTW, I'm
 AR> still waiting to see a really good reason why all that jerry-rigging
 AR> was necessary.

To be honest I forgot why but it has something to do with an inherent
weakness of logical extension partitions.  Have had no probs in the DOS
world.  (I know, things are changing.)  Also HS has access to an OS/2
Team person that I don't for conformation if necessary.

 AR> Many of the users of this echo post to help others because they too
 AR> were novices at 1 time and are returning the favor, like passing on a
 AR> skilled trade from 1 generation to the next.  Their only reward is the
 AR> good feeling they get when their advice has led to success.

And I intend to add to that success.

 AR> Personally I feel I am getting too old to deal with all that.  And if
 AR> you have a guru to help you then you don't really need my help anyway.

Now don't think like that!  I look forward to everyone's ideas &
suggestions.  And I appreciate the time & effort everyone is making to
help me prepare for the install.  And like I said, he doesn't claim to
be an OS/2er but he knows hardware better than I do at the moment.  I
was a talented setup person but I never got into the nitty gritty like
he did.

Onward.  And looking forward to your posts.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:24:20
  To: Mike Roark                                        11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: Thank you

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 MR> After you get it up and running the way you want, you will be amazed at
 MR> the power of OS/2. And then wonder why you stuck with DOS for so long.

It wasn't that I stuck with it, it was I was stuck with it.  I've
been running DOS 3.3 until I finally got this new(er) unit (thanks
to my longsuffering hardware guru, by the way.)  I've always wanted to
run OS/2. Finally got a system that could run OS/2 and hate the thought
of Win9X. (But wait until I get my dream machine 8->. Linux with
EVERYTHING.)  Can even think about the possibility of Ineting now.
(Just have to find an almost free way of doing it.)

I really am looking forward to running a system the way I've always
wanted to run it.

And still am looking for a software sound driver.  Don't want a sound
card just want the sounds <G>.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:47:25
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-

 MR> Be sure to read Murray Lesser's message to you on this topic.  He
 MR> brings up several valid points.

Have done.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:49:09
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-

 LP> Never.  He's going to help me with the repartitioning with his
 LP> Partition Magic & being a sounding board and making certain that I have
 LP> all the Warp drivers from the Inet. He has had little experience with
 LP> warp beyond installing once upon a time.

 MR> This should be taken by you as a big warning flag.  How can he be a
 MR> guru if he has little experience with OS/2?

Not OS/2.  Hardware.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:54:23
  To: Peter Knapper                                     11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: Peer to Peer

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Hi Linda,

 PK> My understanding is that the Warp Connect Peer-to-Peer Networking
 PK> implementation was developed specifically for Warp Connect, however IBM
 PK> already had most of it available as an add-on to previous versions of
 PK> OS/2.

 PK> Does that help?.........pk.

Yes it does.  Thanks.  I guess I was reacting to the unleashed book's
comment about no peer-to-peer.  Must have been written before the full
connect or something.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:55:16
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-

 MR> OS/2 has FTP and Telnet clients included.  There are all sorts of
 MR> alternatives, of course, but it's pointless discussing them until you
 MR> install OS/2.

Or be able to use the Inet. Tis true, but long term planning. 8-)


Anon,

Linda

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 05:43:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: 4OS2

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai
on 11-10-99  11:46 about 4OS2...

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to MURRAY LESSER <=-
 
 MR> You should probably give 4OS2 a try.

 LP> What's the newest version?  I tried 4DOS but decided the learning
 LP> curve too much of a hassle at a time when I was really busy.

 LP> I figure that if I'm learning a new OS it may be worth trying again.

The latest version of 4OS2 that I know of is 3.01A.

I also use 4DOS in OS/2's DOS sessions (it actually has one OS/2-specific
command).

One of the best things about JP Soft's command shells is that there is no
learning curve.  There's nothing *necessarily* different.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 05:45:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: Get Going

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Will Honea
on 11-10-99  13:05 about Re: Get Going...

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP> -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
 
 WH> Sorry, Linda, but at most one primary partition per physical disk can
 WH> be seen AS A DISK VOLUME by DOS, W9x, NT, OS/2, or a compliant PC
 WH> BIOS.

 LP> Well, none of my partitions are logical extensions.  All are primaries
 LP> & DOS sees them all.  It works, at least in DOS. But only one is
 LP> bootable. 

Without some kludge to DOS, that's simply not possible.

DOS will see one and only one primary partition per physical drive.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 05:47:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Will Honea
on 11-10-99  13:12 about Re: OS/2 on old clunkers...

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP> -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
 
 WH> Linda, I mentioned in another post about booting from floppy to test
 WH> drive configuration.  If you have at least EGA (preferably VGA) video
 WH> on the '89 vintage machine try booting it from the Warp 3 install
 WH> floppies.  I had several 85 - 90 motherboards which were quite happy
 WH> with Warp 3 despite rumors to the contrary.

 LP> 'Unleashed' says no.  Something about the AMI bios.  And the Laser has
 LP> some odd engineering.  If I do, will have to use the Red because the
 LP> old unit has no CDROM. And will lose the Connect feature.  How would I
 LP> know that it was a no go if I tried an install.  And if it worked, how
 LP> would I put the connect back in?  Would a Laplink type of file copy
 LP> work if I copied the Blue over the Red?

I don't know how easy it'd be to do an install over a laplink type
connection.

You can, however, create installation diskettes from all CD versions of
OS/2.  I wouldn't recommend it unless it's your only option.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 05:49:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Vmodem

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-10-99  11:40 about Vmodem...

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> Been following the posts & hoped to catch up on what Vmodem was but
 LP> haven't been able to.  Is it a protocol, etc, or something like a
 LP> fossil?

Vmodem stands for Virtual modem.

It's part of a 3rd party serial driver package called SIO, which is an
alternative to the drivers bundled with OS/2.  Their main claim to fame
used to be better performance with DOS comm apps (such as DOS-based BBS
software).  Now the primary usefulness (for most people) is Vmodem.

Basically, you define a virtual com port in the configuration, and when you
execute the vmodem.exe program, there will appear to be a simple modem
attached to that com port, which any analog communications program can use
as a real modem.  Instead of dealing with a phone line, the virtual modem
operates on the TCP/IP stack.  There's a virtual modem protocol that can be
used, requiring another Vmodem on the other end.  Preceding dialed IP
addresses with a # uses that protocol.  By default, the protocol used is
telnet, allowing you to use any communications program (including DOS-based
ones) as a telnet client.

I used to use Vmodem to provide telnet access to my DOS-based BBS, which I
stopped running a bit over four months ago.  The BBS program saw Vmodem as
just another modem, and incoming telnet connections were routed (in
round-robin fashion) to the next available virtual com port, which behaves
like a RING signal.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       11-Nov-99 05:58:00
  To: GEORGE WHITE                                      11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Win9XX Question

Some senseless babbling from George White to Mike Ruskai
on 11-08-99  07:46 about Win9XX Question...

 GW> On 06-Nov-99, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX:
[snip]
 MR> NT does).  So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need to give up
 MR> DOS, since it'll overwrite it when installing.

 GW> No, thats definitely not the case.
 
 MR> The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like
 MR> System Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files of
 MR> the operating systems it supports.  It allows you to install any
 MR> number of OS's on the same partition, and choose which to boot at
 MR> startup.

 GW> You can do it easily with just boot manager, I have here. It just
 GW> takes some advance planning in the partitioning of the drive.
 GW> One method,
 GW> a) Install Boot Manager (Primary)
 GW> b) Primary Partition for DOS
 GW> c) Primary Partition for NT/Win 9x
 GW> Extended Partition
 GW> d) Logical partition for OS/2
 GW> e) Other logical drives as required (apps, data, etc)

I don't recommend such hoop-jumping tricks for people asking so many
questions about partitioning.  Having more than one primary data partition
on a drive is begging for confusion.  In the above, one of them wouldn't be
accessible at all under OS/2, without changing which was hidden and
rebooting.

Mike Ruskai
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From: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 19:42:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 19:42:00
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers

Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 11-10-1999

LP> 'Unleashed' says no.  Something about the AMI bios.  And the Laser
LP> has some odd engineering.  If I do, will have to use the Red because
LP> the old unit has no CDROM. And will lose the Connect feature.  How
LP> would I know that it was a no go if I tried an install.  And if it
LP> worked, how would I put the connect back in?  Would a Laplink type
LP> of file copy work if I copied the Blue over the Red? 

As I said, you won't know for sure until you try it!  The first
indication is to boot from the OS/2 install floppies.  About the time
it finishes with the second diskette (diskette 1) it will display a
message at the bottom of the screen to the effect 'hit F3 to go to the
command line'.  If it gets that far, it will probably install.  As for
the CDROM, Warp and Warp Connect come with a remote install program
which will build boot diskettes that bring up a mini-lan session that
allows you to install over a LAN connection - and you obviously have a
NIC in the clunker.

Give up on the 'file copy' - this ain't DOS.  Hopefully, I'll get this
package out to you shortly and you can begin to see what you can do. 
The Unleashed book is a nice reference but Moses had the only book I
know of that was written in stone so invest 15 minutes and see what
does or does not work in your machine.  I thought I would get this out
Friday but the stuff hit the fan at work today and I doubt I'll get to
DHL before Monday.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 21:10:02
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       11-Nov-99 21:10:02
Subj: Missing Window control..

MIKE RUSKAI wrote to PETER KNAPPER on 11-10-1999

MR> I am using FP10 right now, with no such problems (or any others).

Mike, was the screwed-up directory attribute in fp10 and 11 or was it
unique to 11?  That's the one that made updated directories invisible
to some programs (like Post Road Mailer).
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 21:18:03
  To: Peter Knapper                                     11-Nov-99 21:18:03
Subj: Peer to Peer

Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx on 11-11-1999

PK> My understanding is that the Warp Connect Peer-to-Peer 
PK> Networking implementation was developed specifically for 
PK> Warp Connect, however IBM already had most of it available 
PK> as an add-on to previous versions of OS/2.

Just an aside: P2P was developed originally to be marketed as a
stand-alone feature.  I got (still have, somewhere) the first betas of
it from the LAN group in mid 1993 and a gamma version while I was at
Condex '93, along with freebie copies of OS/2 2.11.  The intent was to
sell it as an extra cost feature from the LAN group but Win 95 came out
 right on the heels of Warp 3 and there was a demand for Warp 3 with
client and peer support built in so they mated it with the P2P product
to produce Warp Connect.  I don't ever recall seeing a price for P2P
but it was supposed to have been in $200 range for single seats. 
Forcing the peer client/server into Warp 4 was one positive influence
of Win 95 <g>.
 
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From: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 21:55:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       11-Nov-99 21:55:00
Subj: Vmodem

MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX on 11-11-1999

MR> Vmodem stands for Virtual modem.

That line popped up an interesting thought:  what would happen if you
pointed a DOS program (specifically TurboTax) to Vmodem and told it to
use a dialup connection instead of an existing inet connection???

I never did get the TT online stuff to work right - kept giving me all
sorts of socket-related errors - but I never thought to try this little
trick.  Anybody tried it?  If not, maybe I'll give it a shot come tax
time this year.  This could be interesting...

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 22:03:01
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       11-Nov-99 22:03:01
Subj: Win9XX Question

MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GEORGE WHITE on 11-11-1999

MR> I don't recommend such hoop-jumping tricks for people asking so
MR> many questions about partitioning.  Having more than one primary
MR> data partition on a drive is begging for confusion.  In the above,
MR> one of them wouldn't be accessible at all under OS/2, without
MR> changing which was hidden and rebooting. 

As usual, there are exceptions.  I had to keep DOS 6.22 (primary
only), Win95 (another C:),  Win98 (that's 3), NT 4 (can be logical,
fortunately), and OS/2 (just to get something useful done) all
installed at the same time while testing a client's program.  If you
include boot manager, that's 4 primaries (DOS, 95, 98, and BM) on drive
0 with NT and OS/2 on drive 1 logical drives.  When I got done I
deleted W95 and moved the NTand OS/2 back to drive 0, but there are
reasons to use all sorts of odd-ball setups.  Looking back, it would
have been simpler to just set up another box but hindsight...

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: James Mckenzie                                    11-Nov-99 20:31:15
  To: David Randall                                     12-Nov-99 03:40:05
Subj: FTP & Telenet

Hello David!

11 Nov 99 15:56, David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx:

 DR> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP>> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If
 LP>> not what kind of programs would I need?

 DR> If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem and use
 DR> any DOS terminal program for a telnet client.  I've used Telix and
 DR> Front Door in this manner.  Or get a copy of the OS/2 version of ZOC.

 DR> Netscape will connect to most ftp sites, but I prefer to use the
 DR> Win3.1 version of CuteFTP.

Why?  There are a couple of good OS/2 graphical FTP programs, and a couple of 
command line programs.  I prefer ncftp, which is a port of a UNIX program of
the same name.  Saves the sites and directories I've visited.

James

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From: Larry Snider                                      11-Nov-99 19:49:04
  To: Francois Thunus                                   12-Nov-99 06:28:03
Subj: DAT

Hi Francois,

06-Nov-99 23:16:00, Francois Thunus wrote to John Thompson
           Subject: DAT

 JT>> In linux itself tape drive support (SCSI, IDE, floppy-based)
 JT>> comes with the kernel sources; you just have to configure it in
 JT>> when you compile a kernel.  Best of all, "tar" is free and quite
 JT>> versatile, but it is not the easiest program to learn to use.

 ft> I know tar. I just wasn't aware that therte was a tar support for
 ft> scsi tapes under os/2. Now that I know it, there is no longer any
 ft> problem. I have been doing tar/gzip backup of unix systems for tha
 ft> past ten years at least. I'll hunt the os/2 version. thanks a
 ft> bunch


SCSI tape support is the only type of tape support that tar supports under
OS/2.  I assume that it's that way on all OS's.


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From: Fred Springfield                                  12-Nov-99 02:31:28
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 06:28:03
Subj: PM Sessions

 In a message to All, Fred Springfield wrote re: PM Sessions
 
 FS> Perhaps this was covered a couple of years ago, but I have forgotten
 FS> the answer.
 FS> 
 FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?

There were many replies to this question, all good.

Thanks Will H., for reminding me of the filename change trick, and
John T., for suggesting I look at the very customized "start" command.

Unfortunately, Post Road Mailer did not honor the requests from either
of these methods, so nothing will work for PRM.  Also unfortunately,
PMMail is not a candidate for this project, because there is no way to
get it to do anything automatically upon opening, such as send, or
fetch, the mail. I guess that leaves just MR/2 ICE, which I have tried
yet

As a brief explanation of this project, it started with trying tcpip
v4.1, which I d/l'd from IBM while the gate was "temporarily open". 
Very early on, after installing it, I noticed that UML would not send
out messages which had been composed "offline", because for some reason
they would not get sent to the outgoing queue.  Instead, they all ended
up in the deadlet.ter file.  After about 2 months of installing and
re-installing all of the "32 bit" stacks, including wr08600 (comes with
tcpip v4.1), wr0861, and the recent upgrade, wr08620, and trying to find
a workable configuration, without any success, I gave up, and went back
to the best of the "16 bit stacks", ver "w".

However, I still have this yen to use the "32 bit" stacks for my
internet work, and so I have been exploring alternate mailers.  I have
UML running here under a couple of rexx control programs so that I do
all my letter writing  "off-line", and click on the control program
icons for automatic dial-up, send, and fetch of all incoming and
outgoing mail, and automatic disconnect.  This makes finding a
sustitute mail program rather difficult.

I am running Warp 4 + FP10, here, and run all my rexx programs under
Object Rexx.  BTW, Object Rexx only works for me under Warp 4.  The
add-on version which IBM released for Warp 3, was never fixed to process
dynamic data with the charin and linein commands, so I can not use it
for communications input to my stock market data reteival programs.

Thanks for all the replies.

Fred Springfield
Plymouth, MN


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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 16:05:18
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 06:28:03
Subj: Win Program setup

Greetings,

Wanting feedback on setting up Win programs as a single session or as
seperate sessions.

Wondering what your experiences are.  Can one have both set up?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 19:03:27
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 06:28:03
Subj: Red & Blue

Greetings and Salutations,

If someone had Red spine installed & doesn't have a CDROM, can copying a
Blue spine over it upgrade red spine to blue?

Also, is there an OS/2 driver for a parallel to SCSI adapter.

Anon,

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 19:17:13
  To: Andy Roberts                                      12-Nov-99 06:28:03
Subj: Re: win32

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> Are you sure you really want over 2MB before you even install OS/2 to
 AR> see if you really need them for your particular apps?

Just checking.  Questions pop in my head & well........ thinking ahead.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 19:18:12
  To: Andy Roberts                                      12-Nov-99 06:28:03
Subj: Re: Peer to Peer

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> Incorrect.  Peer-to-Peer is exactly what Warp Connect has over Warp3
 AR> blue.

Great.  Thanks for the clarification.


Anon,

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 20:37:26
  To: Andy Roberts                                      12-Nov-99 06:28:03
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> If it were me doing the work, then I would not use Partition Magic.  A

Actually something just came up.  Someone he knows needs another hard
drive & my 2.5 G will fit the need & he has an 8 G (which I drull over).
Than I will have BRAND NEW(er) hard drive to do the install on.  Of
course the trick will be the 3 primary partitions. (And wondering how
much extra it will cost & long he's willing to wait for the $.)  But
that's an option that's looking good.

Do I know your first group.  Well. Frustrating as all (well I'm sure you
know. 'Manual, what manual'.

 AR> The other side:

 AR> Those who see someone else do some new trick and eagerly try to learn

C'est moi!

 AR> how to do it too.  They don't have an unlimited budget to pay others to

Oh how I understand that.

 AR> do anything for them, so they eventually learn to do almost everything
 AR> for them self. They spend many months debating every detail of every

More like drulling.

 AR> spec, feature, price and source as they upgrade piece by piece.  They
 AR> almost never buy any device without a very good reason and plan for
 AR> it's use to perform something new that their present obsolete system

How about a 10 year old?

 AR> can't do without that upgrade.  They may never have a completely new
 AR> top of the line system, but that does not prevent them from getting the

Oh so true!

 AR> most out of what they have.  Their enthusiasm builds as they learn more
 AR> about computers and software until eventually it becomes almost an
 AR> obsession.  They become the "friend" that others rely on.  The only

And don't listen, either.

 AR> task or app.  They become a 'jack of all trades'.  Some of them do

And it's not easy being one.  Nothing on paper to prove the skill is
there.

 AR> become 'master' of several of those trades.  Unlike the first

My most favourite job ever was a contract in the computer support
department of Air Command.  All the toys I got to play with!  Especially
the day I helped to spend 3 mil.

AR> they also know about several versions of DOS, Linux, MAC and

Did a stab at Linux.  Sorry I just don't have that kind of patience & no
way to Inet for all the holes.  I'm waiting until a cleaner install
shows up.  Supposedly Corel's coming out with one in 2000.  Hope the
Unix Group here gets to show it.  Did I tell you my dream machine......
Well it entails PIII, humungous amouts of memory & VMware.....Sigh......

 AR> My sister-in-law falls between the cracks of those 2 groups.  She would
 AR> try to tell you that she is not technically orientated, but she is a

Bet she's mechanical.

 AR> perfectionist. IMO she is still a novice, but she learns very fast.
 AR> She got started with her own PC because she wanted to run Family Tree
 AR> for OS/2 which she saw I had.  I built her very 1st system this year

Hmm.  Is it shareware?  Thinking of doing that kind of project actually.
Didn't know there was an OS/2 version.

 AR> machine and 95% of its parts for many years to come. It is a P450i with
 AR> 256MB RAM on a Asus P2BL MoBo with the fastest Adaptec SCSI and a
 AR> Matrox AGP G200 with 32MB RAM and a 19" .22 Monitor.  I installed all

Oh drull again...

Oh have to tell a story.  When I was in the business had a client with a
carpentry business.  We set up a system for them with a low end cad &
accounting, etc.  The wife would be the one I dealt with for support.
Pass a few years, & low & behold she doing programming at the local
college.  I was not surprised as she was very good with the original
system.  Some just have the feel for it.

And I use to tell a novice the first 2 programs used will always be the
hardest.  That's usually the operating system & the program they really
wanted the computer for.

question to AR> attempt to install a new FixPak or video driver via
remote control.

Too true.

AR> Besides she is still trying to understand partition and subdirectory
AR> structures and file extensions.

I remember overhearing a word processing student wondering why in the H
she had to learn about directories, subdirectories & basic DOS.  All she
wants to know is how to use the wordprocessing program.  Sigh.

 AR> BTW, she did get a laugh out of my previous questions to you.  Which

I'm hope she enjoyed my answers. 8-)

 AR> means she knew they were leading questions.  By now it should be
 AR> obvious to you what those questions were an attempt to lead you to.

Yes & definately helps in the thinking process.  Everything adds to the
pool of knowlege.  Trying to do this properly without my normal 'damn
the torpedos & full speed ahead' style.  I want this one set up
properly.

Look forward to your next post.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Murray Lesser                                     11-Nov-99 19:50:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      11-Nov-99 19:50:00
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru

Excerpts from a message dated 11-10-99, Andy Roberts to Linda Proulx)

Hi Andy--

    Thanks for the kind words.  I have only a couple of comments to add:

AR>LOL.. Like I said before, I'm not a guru...
  >                  There are several of us in this echo who are slowly
  >withdrawing from even offering free support outside of our immediate
  >family.  And the reason for that is usually because some others
  >either want us to do it all for them (without really making any
  >effort to learn to do it for them self) or they are stuck in
  >DOS-Think or addicted to M$.  Having a guru that doesn't know much
  >about OS/2 is sort of like all 3 of those reasons.  But even worse is
  >when they have setup your system to be so unique that it can not be
  >dealt with using standard tools and methods.

    One of the reasons that I have carefully avoided knowing anything
about the details of Windows is that it allows me to refuse to help any
of my neighbors and relatives who have run into difficulties :-).  For
obvious reasons, I am stuck with being "system administrator" for my
wife's system, which (as does mine) runs under Warp 4 FixPak 5.  Even
though she was a professional mainframe programmer for over 20 years
before she retired, she refuses to bother herself with the grubby
internals of the system she is now using.  Somebody else took care of
those details when she was a professional!

    Because I did the entire installation, including planning the
partition and desktop layouts, and installing all the diagnostic
utilities she didn't know she should have, I can usually diagnose and
fix the ills she runs into now and then.  At least I know enough about
the details of her system to know where to look in the documentation!
(Does this make me an OS/2 guru?)  The other day, I even got her
LaserJet printer to start working again after it had locked up her
system by refusing to feed paper!  I don't know whether it was because I
removed and reinstalled the printer cartridge, or because I removed and
replaced the paper in the "in" tray.  (We don't kick misbehaving
machines these days; the new ones are not built well enough to withstand
such treatment!)

AR>Many of the users of this echo post to help others because they too
  >were novices at 1 time and are returning the favor, like passing on a
  >skilled trade from 1 generation to the next.  Their only reward is
  >the good feeling they get when their advice has led to success.

    Amen.  There is probably a bit of "show off" involved, also.  But I
have the bad habit of sticking my oar in when I see that some newbie is
getting [what I think is] erroneous advice.  Perhaps we all would be
better off if I could just let it go by :-).

    Regards,

        --Murray
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From: Murray Lesser                                     11-Nov-99 21:33:01
  To: Holger Granholm                                   11-Nov-99 21:33:01
Subj: Confirmation Needed

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-09-99, Holger Granholm to Murray
Lesser)

Hi Holger--

ML>    So, it seems that some FixPak between Warp 3 FixPak 5 and what I
ML>am running under now invalidated the ability to format Zip diskettes
ML>HPFS. Since I have no desire to use Zip Diskettes formatted HPFS, I
ML>haven't bothered to see if a later (or earlier) FixPak will restore
ML>that ability.

HG>Having just plowed through the readme files of FP10, I remember there
  >is a file concerning removable media support.

    That paragraph does not mention the Zip Drive diskettes!  Also, it
says that the described fix was instituted in FixPak 6.  So, I installed
(on a temporary basis) all the HPFS-related files from  FixPak 6, but I
still couldn't format a 100 MB Zip diskette HPFS.  Since I had previous
poor experience with FixPak 6 (and had therefore reverted to FixPak 5),
I removed all the newly installed files and returned to their earlier
versions.

    As I mentioned before, a few experiences with Zip diskettes
formatted HPFS (made under Warp 3, FixPak 5) were sufficient to convince
me that I did not wish to live under the restrictions.  So I really
don't care that some FixPak-introduced bug prevents me from so
formatting them now.

    Regards,

        --Murray
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From: Murray Lesser                                     12-Nov-99 06:30:02
  To: Ray Hyder                                         12-Nov-99 06:30:02
Subj: FixPak Follies

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-10-99, Ray Hyder to Murray Lesser)

Hi Ray--

 ML> As any programmer knows, it is impossible to test complex 
 ML> software to the point that one can guarantee that it is bug 
 ML> free.  (A very old programmer's adage is that the only bug-free 
 ML> software is software that is no longer in use!)  This is 

RH>Awwww, geeze another old programmer with excuses on why software
  >can't be tested in all situations and all configurations.  Let's get
  > to a discussion on regression testing? 

    Ay, there's the rub!  If you had read the previous paragraph
carefully before you shipped it off, it should have dawned on you that
it is impossible for any software developer or tester to predict "all
situations and all configurations" under which that software will be
used, let alone to test for all of them.  Regression testing is useful,
but the best it can do is give the tester a warm feeling that the new
release can pass all the tests that all previous releases have passed.
However, there is no way that regression testing can help determine that
fixes for bugs not found during the original testing of the product were
properly designed and implemented, or that the "fix" hasn't introduced
new, thus-far undetected, bugs in the process.  Sometimes, we old
programmers know what we are talking about :-).

    If it were possible to fully test complex software, IBM would never
have needed to institute the APAR procedure, since there would be no
user problems to report!  Most bug fixes in FixPaks arise from a valid
bug report submitted by a user: bugs that previous testing have missed,
including those that were uncovered by hardware that was not available
at the time the product was released.  Any computer user who is smart
enough to run OS/2 rather than Windows should be knowledgeable enough to
realize that if it were possible to fully test software, there would be
very few FixPaks.  We most certainly would not be up to FixPak 12 for
Warp 4, this soon.

 ML> of makes) of hardware.  You might take the time some day to 
 ML> check out how many of the new files in your newest FixPak 
 ML> replace those same-named files that were updated in a previous 
 ML> FixPak. 

RH>The fixpaks are cumulative.  Therefore every file that has been
  >fixed since fixpak 1 is included in fixpak 12.  

    If you bother to read the README file that comes with each FixPak,
you will find a list of all the files contained in that FixPak, each
with the date that file was last released.  Obviously, any file dated
the same as the FixPak itself is "new" to that FixPak.  If a same-named
file was also released on an earlier FixPak (you can tell this by
checking whether any of those "new" files were listed in the README for
the previous FixPak), the new fix is a fix for a bug introduced (or not
really fixed) in a previously issued FixPak!

RH>All I know is that OS/2 release 4 at fixpak 12 is working very well
  >here with MY set of applications...  - ray  

    Congratulations.  However, your success is no indication that FixPak
12 would work "very well" with MY hardware and set of applications.

    I have no complaints about how my present system (Warp 4 FixPak 5)
operates, and there has been no indication that any of the few "new
function" additions of later FixPaks would be useful to me.  Thus, I can
see no reason to accept your unsolicited advice to subject myself to the
aggravation of installing and testing a FixPak that offers me nothing
that I want and has the potential to cause me difficulties.  Thank you
for your good intentions, but (as I said before) yours was very poor
advice.  I mean it sincerely when I say "If it ain't broke, don't FixPak
it!"

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 01:38:26
  To: David Randall                                     12-Nov-99 11:16:03
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet

Greetings and Salutations,

 LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If
 LP> not what kind of programs would I need?

 DR> If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem and use
 DR> any DOS terminal program for a telnet client.  I've used Telix and
 DR> Front Door in this manner.  Or get a copy of the OS/2 version of ZOC.

SIO means?  Is Zoc Y2Ked?  What's the last version number?  How does one
use a Front Door without being a BBS?


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 01:41:26
  To: David Randall                                     12-Nov-99 11:16:03
Subj: Re: Vmodem

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 DR> It's part of the SIO comm driver package.  It allows you to setup a
 DR> virtual modem.  This tricks DOS comm programs into thinking that
 DR> they're using a real modem on a dial-up line even tho they're being
 DR> used over the internet.  This enables me to use Telix for a telnet
 DR> client and to use a mailer to connect with another mailer over the net
 DR> for my echomail feed.

Sound like fun.  So that it looks like I just dialed up a board here but
instead is connecting to another over the I net.  If I ever Inet, how
does one get the driver?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 01:44:10
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       12-Nov-99 11:16:03
Subj: Re: Get Going

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-

 MR> Without some kludge to DOS, that's simply not possible.

 MR> DOS will see one and only one primary partition per physical drive.

Well there is a trick.  What it is I can't tell you.  Sorry.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Jack Stein                                        09-Nov-99 18:11:19
  To: Andy Roberts                                      12-Nov-99 14:18:07
Subj: Re: Get Going

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 AR>>> OTOH if all your partitions were "primary", then none of them
 AR>>> would be able to see any of the others on the same HD.  [It's after
 AR>>> 1AM, so I hope I got that right.  If not, someone else will correct me,
 AR>>> I'm sure. <g>]

 HS> This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95.  These 2
 HS> OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard drive.  Your 
 HS> machine is living proof (at least for DOS).  I can't swear to it, but I'm
 HS> almost sure that OS/2 would also see them all.

 HS> If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and possibly
 HS> why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive, since FDISK
 HS> will refuse to directly do this.  The answer to "how" is that I used my 
 HS> bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton Utilities.  "Why" is a
 HS> much longer story.

 AR> I am curious as to why.  What advantage does that have over
 AR> using Logical partitions?

I'm also curious as to how he gets DOS DOS/WIN to see more than one primary
partition at a time?  This would _seem_ impossible if all on the same drive
with or without Norton Utilities.  Then I'd also want to know the _why_ he did 
it that way to beging with.  Very curious, and interesting. I hope she shares
the info with us.

 AR> I know I for sure, and probably Jack too, have been using
 AR> OS/2 with HPFS for so long that we don't give much
 AR> consideration to any other OS (other than leave C available
 AR> for WinXX.)  Since OS/2 runs virtually all DOS prgms, we
 AR> tend to delete DOS.  That makes it very easy to dump all the
 AR> "DOS-Think" limits and considerations.  Some of which may
 AR> have lead to your unusual setup. 

I've seen more people run into trouble trying to keep DOS around and run OS/2
concurrently than enough.  It usually is done by people that don't have faith
or skills to figure out how to get OS/2 and OS/2 DOS cooking.  They end up in
all sorts of goofy situations.  The worst is "Duel" boot.  That was about the
dumbest thing IBM did with OS/2.  First, it only takes a few seconds to boot
DOS from a floppy, so if for some very strange reason you ever had to do that
(I never have in 9 years) then, stick in a DOS boot disk and boot the darn
system, no big deal.  For 99.999% of everyone, if you boot to DOS more than
once or twice in your life, you are doing something wrong and don't understand 
what OS/2 can do for you.  DOS95 is another issue however, since that version
of DOS is so convoluted you must boot the whole show before it's worth much,
so boot manager is the solution to that.

 AR> I am curious about another thing.  Are you attempting to
 AR> learn enough to do all the Hardware changes and upgrades and
 AR> installations and re-installations and setup of various OSs
 AR> and apps all by yourself?  Or are you going to have your
 AR> guru do the work for you?

From her questions, I'd think she should be able to do it herself, with a
little advice here and there that we all need from time to time.  Most of it
is pretty simple, since I've been successful.

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From: Jack Stein                                        11-Nov-99 07:59:22
  To: Holger Granholm                                   12-Nov-99 14:18:07
Subj: Warp 3 install

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

JS>The GAWK.EXE is not large:

JS>gawk2156.exe    126484 3/17/9512:3

JS>12k is not what I would call a space filler for a hard drive.  One
JS>reason it is so small, yet so powerful is it also uses EMX, like all
JS>good UNIX ports.

 HG> If I read the above number correctly it is ca. 123.5 kb, not
 HG> 12 k. However, I agree that even 123.5 kb isn't too bad.

Yes, 126k is what I meant there.  And yes, it is not large, but small, very
small considering it is not a single purpose application, but a full blown
high level, programing language.

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From: Jack Stein                                        11-Nov-99 08:31:16
  To: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 14:18:07
Subj: Re: Get Going

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> that I use is a primary, so it is C: and I can't mess with my WIN95
 JS> partition when booted to OS/2.  If I were to do it over, I would
 JS> probably change both OS/2 partition so I could have access to my WIN95
 JS> partition at all times.

 LP> How would this be done.  May have to install it later.

You say all your partitions are primary partitions.  I don't know how they can 
all be read concurrently as DOS and OS/2 normally assign primary partitions
the drive letter C:, and only one can be seen at a time.  

Anyway, I currently have 2 primary partitions, both given the c: drive letter. 
If I boot to WIN95, it cannot see my other C: primary partition, which is also 
C:,  but missing when WIN95 is booted.  

When I boot OS/2 from my other C: partition, it cannot see the WIN95 C:
partition.  When I boot OS/2 from my D: logical partition, it CAN see ONE of
the C: partitions, normally the C: os/2 primary partition, which is usually
the active primary partition.  Had I made ALL my OS/2 boot partitions logical, 
then, I would only have one C: partition, which would always be the WIN95
partition, and I would always have full access to that partition when running
OS/2.  WIN would never see my OS/2 boot partitions because they are HPFS,
which would be fine with me.  (there are filters available that allow WIN to
read HPFS partitions I believe.  I keep most of my WIN95 non-system files on a 
logical FAT partitions, and OS/2 can access them at all times, so, it is
really not a big problem.   It generally bothers me only if I'm reading
something about a WIN95 configuration issue, and I can't take a look and see
what _I_ have set up in my WIN system.  This is so rare it is not very
important to me, but it has happened once or twice.  I boot WIN95 rarely, and
use it almost exclusively for working on my WEB page at work, which I have
duplicated on my home WIN95 system.  Mainly, I have a graphics photoshop
application some one gave me that runs only on WIN95, so I boot WIN95 when I
wish to create a graphic for my Web page.  

 JS> I would still install 3 boot partitions.  Make 2 OS/2 partitions, and
 JS> install OS/2 in both of them.  Make one the one you generally use, and
 JS> one a copy of that.  If you screw up one, you always have the other,

 LP> LOVE that idea.

It is a good idea, although I never had to use the thing for anything.  I have 
a one (and a two) OS/2 boot disk that I use if I need to boot from other than
my main boot partition, and that has been needed maybe twice in 9 years, only
when I screwed up something in config.sys to the extent the system won't boot.
I plan on installing Linux on that partition one of these days, who knows...

 JS> Understood.  Use your second drive to back up your first.  Then, your
 JS> first drive is free for you to FDISK and generally mess around with.
 JS> Make sure you understand how the drive letters will look when you are
 JS> finished.  The big issue here is whether your second drive has a
 JS> primary partition on it or not.  If it does, it will be D:, not matter

 LP> Actually all drive partitions are set up as primary drives. 
 LP> Long story, but done.

Your on your own on that one.  Never heard of anyone doing that, nor do I know 
how it works with concurrently active C: drives.  I don't believe you can
change it without losing all data on the drives.  If it were me, I would zip
up all the important stuff on one partition, copy it to anyother, and change
them to logical, with one, or possibly 2 primaries on the first drive, then
unzip them back after the change.  I'm not saying to do that, as I don't know
what you are doing, or why.

 JS> people when Y2K blows up a lot of old FIDO software.  A lot of sysops
 JS> are going to disappear into the night I'm afraid.

 LP> I really hope not.  Some are Y2King I know.

It might be OK, particularly for OS/2 as lots of OS/2 sysops are running OS/2
software rather than DOS BBS's.  I'm one that has been running a DOS bbs under 
OS/2, and it is VERY old, and not updated since the late '80's.  It runs
perfect under OS/2 though, so good in fact, I haven't messed with it in quite
a few years, enough that I've forgotten most of what I need to know to get
things moved over to another system.  Particularly since I have REXX and GAWK
scripts doing all sorts of logging stuff that will take a LOT of work to
change over to another system.  Not sure I feel like doing all that again. 
Hopefully, enough of FIDO will be left to keep things going.  

I feel semi-confidant that FIDO will take a BIG hit, but if it stays around a
while, it will start to grow after Y2K, it won't continue to shrink if it
survives.  Thats my biggest motivation to get things working, mainly to help
keep it alive, rather than help kill it:-)
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From: Jack Stein                                        11-Nov-99 09:15:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 14:18:07
Subj: FTP & Telenet

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If
 LP> not what kind of programs would I need?

For Telenet I use a freeware program called Mtelnet.  It does NOT require
VMODEM, nor netscape.  It requires you are connected to the internet with
whatever internet dialer you are using, either DOIP which comes with OS/2 or
INJOY, which is a shareware OS/2 dialer.  These are the two most used dialers
I imagine.  If you use VMODEM, which is an app that comes with a registered
copy of SIO, you can use any COM program to telenet on the internet.  I've
done both, and use MTEL, it's simple, and does what I want.

For FTP, there are a ton of 3rd party OS/2 FTP apps out there, I use NCFTP
myself, but not often, I mostly connect my browser to the FASTFTP sight and it 
searches the internet quickly for any file I want, and a click on one of the
files listed gets the file for me using the browser.  This is too easy to be
bothered with FTP.  About the only reason I use FTP is on very large files
that I want to be sure I have crash protection (meaning if something goes
wrong after 3 hours of D/L, I can resume where I left off)  This has not
happened to me personally though, so even that is iffy, but you never know. 
Most of the 3rd party FTP programs have crash recovery and is, I presume, why
people use them.  Neither my ISP nor my OS/2 system ever drops carrier on me,
so about all I worry about is a power failure.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        11-Nov-99 09:28:06
  To: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 14:18:07
Subj: Re: Installation problem

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Nick Andre:

 AS> Hmm... I had the same problem.  All I can think of right now is that if
 AS> you have a previous version of OS/2 or any copy of OS/2 with applied
 AS> fixpaks, you can't re-install it properly.  But if that's not the
 AS> problem, then I don't know.

 LP> I just read somthing that said the installer may have to
 LP> delete or rename autoexec.bak files.  Is that there?  Check
 LP> for the backups of autoexec/config files.

Autoexec.bat is a DOS file, not an OS/2 file.  OS/2 does not create an
automatic executable file on install.  If one is needed later, it uses it's
own auto executable called STARTUP.CMD.  

Keep in mind that a BAT file is ALWAYS a DOS file, NEVER an OS/2 file.  If
OS/2 sees a BAT file, it will open a DOS session and run the thing, but, it is 
running a DOS session, not an OS/2 session.  When it opens the DOS session it
will use the AUTOEXEC.BAT file in your root to set up the DOS session.  That
is all the AUTOEXEC.BAT file is used for, ie, the default DOS session
autoexec.bat.

While I'm thinking of it, remember, or know, that OS/2 sessions will open DOS
sessions for you automatically, or forceably, but, an OS/2 DOS session will
not open an OS/2 session for you.  Meaning for example, if in a DOS session,
you try to run a CMD file, it won't open an OS/2 session and run it.  Nor will 
START start an OS/2 session from a DOS session unless you run 4DOS or use
HSTART, or similar 3rd party utilities.   START btw is used to open sessions.  
If you type an OS/2 command from an OS/2 command line, it runs the app much as 
would a DOS command line.  If you use START, as in "START application.exe"
OS/2 will create another OS/2 session/window and run the app.  You will then
have a new task running in your task window.   This is important stuff to know 
when playing with your new OS/2 OS.  If you familarize yourself with this
stuff a little, you will have fun quicker with OS/2.  You shouldn't need to
know all the little quirks and tricks and applications we all use until you
familarize yourself with the basic concepts.  

One VERY neat thing about OS/2 (and UNIX as well) that is VERY different from
DOS/WIN is it grows WITH you.  The more you learn, the BETTER it gets.  With
DOS/WIN the more you learn, the WORSE it gets.  When you can't do something
with OS/2 or UNIX, it is almost always because you don't know how.  With
DOS/WIN, it is mostly because the OS can't do it.  Big difference.  Very nice
to know the problem is you, rather than the OS.  YOU are capable of learning,
your OS is pretty much written in stone.   I'm still learning neat things with 
OS/2 after 9 years.  With DOS, after 9 weeks I was running into stupid
limitations.  I didn't know at that time that UNIX had none of the barriers
that I was running into with DOS.  Things haven't changed much in 20 years
either.
               
                               Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        11-Nov-99 11:26:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 14:18:07
Subj: 4OS2

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Mike Ruskai:

 MR> You should probably give 4OS2 a try.

 LP> What's the newest version?  I tried 4DOS but decided the
 LP> learning curve too much of a hassle at a time when I was
 LP> really busy.

There is almost no learning curve to 4DOS or 4OS2?  You can install either and 
never use them, or notice that they are your command processor.  The learning
curve is only present when you choose to use the additional commands, command
syntax and other utilities available to you when they are your command
processors.  I have installed 4DOS on systems where the user did not know it
was there, or what to do with it, and they never noticed.

 LP> I figure that if I'm learning a new OS it may be worth
 LP> trying again. 

Both are certainly worth using, and other than cost, have no downside to speak 
of.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        11-Nov-99 11:56:07
  To: Andy Roberts                                      12-Nov-99 14:18:07
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 ML> I am breaking in to what is really none of my business,

 AR> That's fine with me.  Funny how this thread has suddenly
 AR> inspired that response.  I was just telling my sister-in-law
 AR> that I'm going to learn not to stick my nose in other
 AR> people's bee's wax.

Knock that off Andy, we demand you stick your nose in as often as possible.
We all have to, thats how we learn, and teach, and learn some more...  

 AR> Murray, I appreciate the confirmation.  I think it is
 AR> important that others don't take what I say as fact on
 AR> surface value.  Especially since we now have at least 3
 AR> newbies reading this echo.

I tend to agree, however, I take what is said here as fact before anything
read in a book, in red books, white papers and so on.  IBM itself puts out a
ton of misleading information regarding OS/2.  NEVER take the written word as
absolute truth, including what a few individuals in here say.  I recall AFTER
installing OS/2 2.1 on my Gateway 2000, I read in the install manual from IBM
that GATEWAY computers are "problematic" or some such nonsense.  I've since
installed OS/2 on at least a dozen different Gateway computers and never had
an ounze of problematic behavior.  

I also remember reading you MUST get new OS/2 drivers to use > 4GB HD's in
OS/2... Nope, thats BS as I sure didn't.  Also recall reading some
gobbledegook in OS/2 install manual about Modem speed above 9600 not being
supported in OS/2.  That was neat, as at the time I was getting 19,000
connects w/o a hitch, and now get consistant 44-49k connects.

IBM crap is really tricky, because they are not often wrong, just very
misleading, saying things in such a way to make you thing one thing, yet, on
very close scrutiny, they didn't actually say what it looks like.  I hate that 
myself.   Quite often you know they are not right, or saying something that is 
actually not what it seems only because you are doing already what it "seems"
like they are saying won't work very well.  What is particularly interesting
is more often than not, IBM says NEGATIVE things about OS/2 which are wrong.  
Just the opposite of their partner in crime, MicroSoft.  The real truth on all 
this is available right here, based on what the people doing it have
experienced, figured out on their own and so on.  You are one of those people. 


Your input, along with the rest of us is what makes OS/2 useable.  Even Linda
helps us, as her questions prompt others to speak their mind, and everyone can 
learn from that stuff, including those doing the talking.

                                              Jack 
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Nov-99 08:58:18
  To: Dave Davidson                                     12-Nov-99 15:22:02
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hello Dave,

07 Nov 99 08:20, Dave Davidson wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

DD> Funny thing tho.... When I got back in town late Friday evening, I
DD> hooked up the 10.3GB drive, added the updated IBM1S506 driver to the
DD> install disk 1, everything worked and OS/2 is now loaded and running.

It's the IBM1S506.ADD driver you needed to update, I forgot about that.

DD> OS/2 is only seeing and using a little over 8GB of the drive, but
DD> that's better than I was a few weeks ago. <g>

Great you've it working. <G>

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... The DOGGIE(tm) bra: makes pointers out of setters.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Nov-99 09:01:14
  To: Jack Stein                                        12-Nov-99 15:22:02
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hello Jack,

07 Nov 99 09:58, Jack Stein wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> No, OS/2 does not have to be installed for this, just boot
ET>> OS/2 from floppies (from the install floppies or from the
ET>> floppies created by bootos2) and FDISK and PARTLIST can be
ET>> run.

JS> WOW!  What was I smoking when I wrote that?

How would I know that? ;-)

It shows that smoking is bad for memory. ;-)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... "Ah, wilderness."  "Where's the TV?"
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From: Andy Roberts                                      12-Nov-99 07:24:18
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                12-Nov-99 15:22:02
Subj: Get Going

 Stewart Honsberger,

11-Nov-99 11:43:45, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Jack Stein
 SH> 02 Nov 99 07:30, Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx:
          Subject: Get Going

 JS>> The important thing is to install your operating systems on small
 JS>> partitions.  No need to backup up much of your operating system,
 JS>> as it is already backed up on your install disks.

 SH> That's what I've got setup here. I learned my lesson when I had to
 SH> re-install everything after my single partition puked.

 SH> OS/2 resides on a 300MeB partition right now, with apps, etc.. on
 SH> seperate partitions. I've already had to re-install OS/2 once, and
 SH> it was relatively quick and painless.

 SH> Just re-install the OS, and re-create icons for the neccesary
 SH> applications.

You would not have to manually re-create the Icons nor even edit your
config.sys etc, (and maybe not even reinstall at all) if you used:

--- Excerpt Config.sys ---
CALL=F:\TOOLS\SHIFTRUN.EXE 5 CMD.EXE "/C F:\TOOLS\ROBOSAVE\ROBOREST.CMD"

---
Robosave.Zip                    11-09-93         102,555
    Robosave v3.04, backup your Workplace Shell desktop

Shftrn.Zip                      11-01-94          20,684
    ShiftRun is a utility that enables a user to optionally start any OS/2
    Full Screen or Windowed program within the same OS/2 session.
---

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Will Honea                                        12-Nov-99 18:23:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 18:23:00
Subj: Red & Blue

Linda Proulx wrote to All on 11-11-1999

LP> If someone had Red spine installed & doesn't have a CDROM, can
LP> copying a Blue spine over it upgrade red spine to blue?

Easy ones tonite.  No, partly because the source files are compressed,
packed in multiple package files, etc. and partly because you have no
idea what to copy.  Just install one over the other and quit fighting
it.

LP> Also, is there an OS/2 driver for a parallel to SCSI adapter.
 
Not to the best of my knowlege.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     12-Nov-99 15:21:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 15:21:00
Subj: Get Going

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-11-99, Linda Proulx to Andy Roberts)

Hi Linda--

 AR> spec, feature, price and source as they upgrade piece by piece.  They
 AR> almost never buy any device without a very good reason and plan for
 AR> it's use to perform something new that their present obsolete system

LP>How about a 10 year old?

    The longest that I have had a hardware system live is almost 12
years between birth and death.  And it was a top-of-the-line system when
it was new: an IBM PS/2 model 80.  (I came very close to violating the
"don't be the first kid on the block with a new system" rule when I
bought that one!)

    I read somewhere (I think it was "Science" magazine, but I am not
sure) that CMOS circuits slowly deteriorate with usage, and most desktop
computers have a 10-year design life.  So have an escape path set up for
when your ancient machine gives you the "replace system unit" warning
during POST and refuses to boot :-(.

    At the moment, the oldest running system in the house is my wife's
vintage-1993 PS/VP 433DX (32 MB RAM, about 800 MB in two hard drives),
which she "inherited" from my office closet when the PS/2 died!  For
obvious reasons, she is also running Warp 4 FixPak 5.  Both machines
have only one primary partition, because neither of us boots any other
operating system from the hard drive.  Neither machine has Win-OS2
installed.  All hard-drive partitions on both machines are formatted
HPFS.  Both machines have an attached, parallel-port Iomega 100 MB Zip
drive, used for archiving and backup.  The contents of the two boot
partitions (one on each of the two machines) are not identical, but each
has been pared down to where it can be backed up to a single Zip
diskette.

    But her partitioning and desktop layout are completely different
than mine, because she runs an entirely different set of applications.
Her most-used applications are DOS programs: PAF (Personal Ancestral
Files) v 2.31, WordPerfect 6.1 for DOS, and German Assistant 5 (a
language translation program).  She has had no trouble whatsoever
running these programs in OS/2 VDMs.  None of the DOS applications, in
either machine, was installed using the OS/2 "migrate" procedure.  The
WordPerfect pair of manuals includes an appendix explaining how to
install it under OS/2 v 2.0 or later; all other DOS applications were
set up by trial and error, and I built the desktop "Program Objects" for
these DOS programs.  Just goes to show you that under OS/2, one size
does not fit all :-).

    Are you really sure that you need Boot Manager and more than one
primary partition?  If the only reason you want to boot real DOS is to
play some DOS games that violate the OS/2 system-integrity rules,
investigate the OS/2 Virtual Boot Machine, which allows you to boot any
version of DOS you want from a floppy.  (See the section on Virtual Boot
Machines in your copy of "Unleashed.")  A VBM DOS can read HPFS
partitions while you are actually running under "real" DOS, not under
OS/2.  I suggest that you try this before allowing DOS a permanent
berth, with all the grief that entails.  If it works, it would be a much
better solution than being forced to live with 1 GB FAT partitions!!

    Good luck,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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