
                  OS/2 Lan discussion              (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 06-Nov-1999 to Friday, 12-Nov-1999

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From: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 23:05:16
  To: Bryan Rubingh                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Bryan Rubingh wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 BR> connections from DOS.  Be sure to put some shares in your OS/2 machine
 BR> so that other users can access them.

Just me using both.  Want the OS/2 unit to access the old unit.

Thank you for all the information.  I have saved it for when I do the
setup.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    03-Nov-99 22:08:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Can you attach the file to me to my email address?

Only if you tell me what your address IS.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      04-Nov-99 13:43:24
  To: Peter Knapper                                     07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Hi Linda,

 PK> However be warned that the DOS Code is a CLIENT ONLY, it does NOT
 PK> contain any Server code.

 LP> So I will have to access the lan from the old unit & not the os2 unit?

 PK> I am not too sure what you mean by "access the lan from the old
 PK> unit"???. This may help to explain it better -

I want to use the OS/2 box to access the DOS box.  I want to run the
occasional use DOS programs I will put on it & potentially a disk drive.
Will the DOS box have to have the server component or use the DOS box to
access the OS/2 box only?


Anon,

Linda

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From: Peter Knapper                                     05-Nov-99 15:36:08
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Hi Linda,

 PK> I am not too sure what you mean by "access the lan from the old
 PK> unit"???. This may help to explain it better -

 LP> I want to use the OS/2 box to access the DOS box.  I want to run the
 LP> occasional use DOS programs I will put on it & potentially a disk drive.
 LP> Will the DOS box have to have the server component or use the DOS box to
 LP> access the OS/2 box only?

Ok, you wont be able to do that because the DOS S/W does not provide a Server
component, only the Client component that allows it to access resources stored 
on a Server (in this case an OS/2 or Winxx) machine.

Cheers........pk.


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From: David Calafrancesco                               04-Nov-99 22:29:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP>      -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> However be warned that the DOS Code is a CLIENT ONLY, it does NOT
 PK> contain any Server code.

 LP> So I will have to access the lan from the old unit & not the os2 unit?

 PK> I am not too sure what you mean by "access the lan from the old
 PK> unit"???. This may help to explain it better -

 LP> I want to use the OS/2 box to access the DOS box.  I want to
 LP> run the occasional use DOS programs I will put on it &
 LP> potentially a disk drive. Will the DOS box have to have the
 LP> server component or use the DOS box to access the OS/2 box
 LP> only?

There may be some terminology questions here. You say you want to run programs 
on the DOS box. Do you mean you want to have the OS2 box trigger programs to
execute on the DOS box hardware or that you want the OS2 box to be able to run 
programs stored on the DOS box? 

In either case the DOS box isn't going to have any server code running so
allowing the OS2 box to access it's drives is not an option. If you need the
DOS box to just take direction from the OS2 box and execute a program on
command then you need to create a flag file that the DOS box will cycle and
check for. When it sees the flag file, it will run whatever is supposed to be
run. 

Loading server component on a DOS box is going to be a very expensive
proposition memory wise. There isn't enough to do a server properly and still
have the system be able to run real large DOS commands. 

Lastly, I have to ask why have the DOS machine anymore at all? What does it
get you? The OS2 box can create virtual DOS sessions with more memory that
will be better performing than what you are running on the DOS box. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Linda Proulx                                      04-Nov-99 22:01:19
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 -> Can you attach the file to me to my email address?

 EH> Only if you tell me what your address IS.

Wanted to make certain you could do it.  I can't.

linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca


Anon,

Linda

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    05-Nov-99 01:35:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Loading server component on a DOS box is going to be a very expensive
-> proposition memory wise. There isn't enough to do a server properly
-> and still have the system be able to run real large DOS commands.

Not necessarily. Lantastic can all be loaded High complete with Lancache
and still leave well over six hundred K for dos apps.

Accessed from a virtual Dos machine on the OS2 box you have the best of
both worlds. Like fer'instnce a Dos BBS or OLR accessing a Dos BBS's
files from the OS2 workstation. Without interrupting normal BBS
operation.

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From: David Calafrancesco                               05-Nov-99 09:43:18
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

-> Loading server component on a DOS box is going to be a very expensive
-> proposition memory wise. There isn't enough to do a server properly
-> and still have the system be able to run real large DOS commands.

 EH> Not necessarily. Lantastic can all be loaded High complete
 EH> with Lancache and still leave well over six hundred K for
 EH> dos apps.

Didn't ever get the Lantastic to stabilize for me, but back a decade ago when
I had my old network running (arcnet under DOS using Netware Lite) it made
using DesqView impossible. I also had problems dealing with CD drivers, the
optical WORM drivers, the SCSI drivers and other things that were needed. I
eventually went to a standalone DOS server model using Netware Lite and even
went to the extreme of yanking the video card out of the server for 6 months. 

 EH> Accessed from a virtual Dos machine on the OS2 box you have
 EH> the best of both worlds. Like fer'instnce a Dos BBS or OLR
 EH> accessing a Dos BBS's files from the OS2 workstation.
 EH> Without interrupting normal BBS operation.

Why put the BBS on the DOS machine? OS2 can run the BBS software without even
noticing it is there. If you go with an OS2 native BBS you can run 4 analog
modems, a couple of virtual nodes, a dozen windows of tossers, news pullers,
ftp clients and other detritus and even handle your wife's business in
Quickbooks under WinOS2. With a well tuned config you can do this all on a
486sx33 with 16mb of RAM. A pentium allows it to run a bit faster but I have
found that the biggest thing is more memory is great but having a huge fast
pipe for tossing makes the most improvement in speed. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 10:10:15
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

 DC> trigger programs to execute on the DOS box hardware or that you want
 DC> the OS2 box to be able to run programs stored on the DOS box?

Yes.

 DC> Loading server component on a DOS box is going to be a very expensive
 DC> proposition memory wise. There isn't enough to do a server properly and
 DC> still have the system be able to run real large DOS commands.

Use to be able to run Lantastic on 286s once upon a time.

 DC> Lastly, I have to ask why have the DOS machine anymore at all? What

I have it.  Might as well use it.  Still need access to a 360 drive
believe it or not.  Little used DOS programs ca live happlily there
without taking space on my OS/2 computer.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 10:16:29
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to David Calafrancesco <=-

 EH> Accessed from a virtual Dos machine on the OS2 box you have the best of
 EH> both worlds. Like fer'instnce a Dos BBS or OLR accessing a Dos BBS's
 EH> files from the OS2 workstation. Without interrupting normal BBS
 EH> operation.

How would that be done.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    05-Nov-99 11:48:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Wanted to make certain you could do it.  I can't.

Nettamer for Dos will import/attach  files.

The OS/2 browser I've only used briefly, but I'm pretty sure it will
too.  Unles of course you have ISP imposed restrictions.

I'll ship it off later today, after I get through reading my Fido mail.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Nov-99 17:15:15
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Elvis Hargrove:

 DC> Why put the BBS on the DOS machine? OS2 can run the BBS 
 DC> software without even noticing it is there. If you go with an 
 DC> OS2 native BBS you can run 4 analog modems, a couple of virtual 
 DC> nodes, a dozen windows of tossers, news pullers, ftp clients 
 DC> and other detritus and even handle your wife's business in 
 DC> Quickbooks under WinOS2. 

I'd still like to know what can possibly be done to justify that sort of
activity here...  :-)

I have little enough going on in terms of caller and mailer activity to
justify the expense of a single dedicated line!

 DC> With a well tuned config you can do this all on a 486sx33 with 
 DC> 16mb of RAM. 

Please feel free to elaborate on what sort of tuning you refer to here.

 DC> A pentium allows it to run a bit faster but I have found that 
 DC> the biggest thing is more memory is great but having a huge
 DC> fast pipe for tossing makes the most improvement in speed. 

Ram is good,  yeah.  That's apparent to me from other stuff I'm doing on other 
machines.  I plan to max things out here on different boxes as I find that I
can afford to,  whenever that is.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Nov-99 20:25:18
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

-> Wanted to make certain you could do it.  I can't.

 EH> Nettamer for Dos will import/attach files.

And do a heck of a lot of other stuff,  apparently!

Is that program dialup-only,  or is it usable in a LAN environment?  Any ideas 
about whether it'll run under DV?  I just browsed a bit through the doc file,
but the answers weren't apparent.

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From: David Calafrancesco                               05-Nov-99 21:47:19
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Elvis Hargrove:

 LP> Greetings and Salutations,

 LP>      -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to David Calafrancesco <=-

 EH> Accessed from a virtual Dos machine on the OS2 box you have the best of
 EH> both worlds. Like fer'instnce a Dos BBS or OLR accessing a Dos BBS's
 EH> files from the OS2 workstation. Without interrupting normal BBS
 EH> operation.

 LP> How would that be done.

On your OS2 box, find your DOS command icon, right click it, select properties 
or settings, then go to session settings, select window (unless it uses
graphics), then choose to edit all DOS session settings. Make sure that you
set DPMI enabled, DOS High, DOS UMB, and Files >80. Also set at least 8mb of
EMS and XMS respectively. Now, open that window and run any DOS command you
want. 

As a demonstration I love to show people a 16mb system opening up dozens of
DOS sessions, each of which are accessing their base 1mb, 32mb of EMS and 16mb 
of XMS as well as up to 512mb of DPMI memory. You can run more DOS
applications using more memory than you physically have for each session and
OS2 will just page as needed. If you have less than 64mb of RAM, then set your 
swapper.dat to start at 64mb or 20mb larger than you have ever seen it grow.
By pre-allocating the swap space OS2 doesn't waste time compressing the
swapper to try to get an extra mb of space when it needs it. Much more
efficient to have a pool of 64-128mb pre-allocated in a contiguous block. 

You already seem to know how to run DOS apps from OS2 or you wouldn't be
asking how to run the DOS apps you have stored on the DOS box. Move the BBS
and all it's programs to the OS2 system, configure each icon to have optimized 
DOS session settings and make sure that you always run things from an
appropriate icon (or else the default DOS settings will take over and they are 
not optimized at all). 

If this isn't clear, write back and I will try a different approach. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Fred Springfield                                  05-Nov-99 16:21:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Quting Linda Proulx to Pete Knapper:

LP> I want to use the OS/2 box to access the DOS box.  I want to run
LP> the occasional use DOS programs I will put on it & potentially a
LP> disk drive. Will the DOS box have to have the server component or
LP> use the DOS box to access the OS/2 box only? 

The easy way to do this is put your DOS+Windows FWG 3.11 on one box,
and OS/2 Connect on the other box, and then hook them together with
the IBM Peer networking.  It works just fine.  You will be able to run
all your legacy DOS stuff on the WFWG box, and run the OS/2 stuff on the
other box while you learn about OS/2. Then you can slowly transfer your
DOS stuff over to the OS/2 box at your leisure.

Fred Springfield
Plymouth, MN

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From: David Calafrancesco                               05-Nov-99 23:17:07
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 RJT> David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Elvis Hargrove:

 DC> Why put the BBS on the DOS machine? OS2 can run the BBS 
 DC> software without even noticing it is there. If you go with an 
 DC> OS2 native BBS you can run 4 analog modems, a couple of virtual 
 DC> nodes, a dozen windows of tossers, news pullers, ftp clients 
 DC> and other detritus and even handle your wife's business in 
 DC> Quickbooks under WinOS2. 

 RJT> I'd still like to know what can possibly be done to justify
 RJT> that sort of activity here...  :-)

I wasn't advocating that people build a system like that, just that OS2 can do 
it relatively easily. 

 RJT> I have little enough going on in terms of caller and mailer
 RJT> activity to justify the expense of a single dedicated line!

 DC> With a well tuned config you can do this all on a 486sx33 with 
 DC> 16mb of RAM. 

 RJT> Please feel free to elaborate on what sort of tuning you
 RJT> refer to here. 

You have seen me talk about that in the past. It has to do with the swap file, 
the session settings for the DOS sessions and other things. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    06-Nov-99 11:11:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Why put the BBS on the DOS machine? OS2 can run the BBS software
-> without even noticing it is there.

Well, firstly: <Grin>

The BBS has been on a Dos machine for thirteen years and if I tried to
tell you how little downtime it's had in all those years you likely
wouldn't believe me. I don't fix what aint broke, but I DO fix what IS
broke....... immediately.  Suffice it to say that including power
failures and crapped out modems, it hasn't been DOWN over 24 hours total
in all those years.

-> Didn't ever get the Lantastic to stabilize for me, but back a decade
-> ago when I had my old network running (arcnet under DOS

Lantastic is the beauty of MY operation having been just as stable as
the BBS for most of that time. It was Arcnet at first, and one remote
work station still IS! The main backbone is Co-Ax with switching hubs at
appropriate locations for twisted pair bridging drops. THe whole mess is
dead reliable and Lantastic shares the system with Netbio/Netbui
stations without complaint.

-> went to a standalone DOS server model using Netware Lite and even
-> went to the extreme of yanking the video card out of the server for 6
-> months.

My BBS ran for years like that with the only access being via the LAN.
It has a mono monitor on it now and even a keyboard (Sometimes) but it's
seldom turned on. I'm acsessing it now from a Dos only WS four rooms
away, and even have a WS node on my back porch! (Running Desqview quite
happily I might add.)

-> If you go with an OS2 native BBS you can run 4  analog modems, a
-> couple of virtual nodes, a dozen windows of tossers,

Yep!  I fully understand and certainly agree! However we don't NEED four
modems anymore as four callers A DAY are a lot these days.  The new BBS
*IS* OS2, and I wouldn't run anything else if I didn't need Uncle
Billy's software to deal with the %(^&$ Web effectively. You'd get no
argument from ME about OS/2 being the best OS, but this is the LAN echo,
and I was answering the lady's question about HOW to effectively use
OS/2 to connect with her old Dos machine. IMHO Lantastic does it
admirably. and at practically no cost as regards system overhead.  The
OS/2 machine certainly doesn't notice the overhead, and a properly set
up Dos machine is hardly affected at all.

Actually, I guess the LAN software isn't as important as properly
utilizing a memory manager that lets it all load hi for Dos.
QEMM-386 _NON_ stealth lets Lantastic, DesqView, a spelling checker, a
couple of Professional Write windows and a thesaurus all run on a Dos
box (Literally, housed in a plywood box nailed to my porch wall) a
386-40 with four megs of RAM (Eight is better) for MONTHS at a time.
It hasn't been reboooted since the last power failure last August.

-> news pullers, ftp clients and other detritus and even handle your
-> wife's business

Yep!  It's interesting to watch IREX bring in the mail, while a caller
is online with MAX (Two modems) Squish tossing, Seal in it's Dos window
stashing files and me online via the LAN looking at the logfiles, or
writing NetMail on FrontDoor's Editor.  OS/2 's definitely cool.

-> found that the biggest thing is more memory is great but having a
-> huge fast pipe for tossing makes the most improvement in speed.

Which brings us to the subject of moving the stuff around the system....

Planet Connect. I know you remember that.  Remember how picky the
downlink software was?  Didn't  even like to share with a VGA card.

Well, I ran Tommy Brown's downlink software on a 386-33 using DesqView
(And QEMM-386) with Squish tossing SIMULTANIOUSLY across the LAN to the
machine that actually hubbed the mail out. I was getting the mail out to
the nodes by ten thirty or eleven oclock from the morning mail run, and
the ONLY way I could do it was via Lantastic.

BTW, KA9Q was the only software I ever ran that absolutely refused to
stabilize with Lantastic.  We probably COULD run it under OS/2 but there
are much better programs out there now.......

Regards,

Elvis

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    06-Nov-99 11:18:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> I have it.  Might as well use it.  Still need access to a 360 drive

THere ya go! Pragmatist at work.  Do not disturb!  <Grin>

-> Use to be able to run Lantastic on 286s once upon a time.

Still can.  I used a 286-16 to run Planet Connect's CRUMMY downlink
software along with Lantastic to ship it over to a tosser after they
made us all quit using Tommy Brown's good software.  Lantastic will run
on an 8Mhz XT (If poorly without 1 meg of memory and QRam)

Look on your OS/2 machine and see if you have "FSFILTER" if not I'll
ship you that too.

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   05-Nov-99 23:09:22
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

On Tuesday November 02 1999 at 16:11, Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx:

 CV>     Using TCP/IP

You might want to mention that none of these options will provide drive
sharing without NFS support...

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    06-Nov-99 11:25:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> How would that be done.

Just like it says..... A virtual Dos window running Lantastic and
whatever OLR you might want to use directly accessing the BBS message
bases via the LAN.

RIght now, I'm accessing the Dos based BBS files using a mini-bbs
package from a Dos WorkStation several rooms away. I can do it just as
easily from a OS/2 machine via Lantastc in a virtual window.

I think what you want to do is easily done using the stuff from
LANTASTI.ZIP and that you'll like the results.  If you have a LAN
running Lantasti ANYWAY, this is super easy to do.

Textfile will be on it's way shortly.

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    06-Nov-99 11:30:05
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Ram is good,  yeah.  That's apparent to me from other stuff I'm doing
-> on other machines.  I plan to max things out here on different boxes
-> as I find that I can afford to,  whenever that is.

Roy, the way Uncle Billy's software gobbles RAM and the results of the
earthquake/etc have made buying MORE RAM out of the question, I'm VERY
pleased that OS/2 is happy with what it's got.....

Sixteen megs seems to be plenty on a 486-40 which FLYS compared to my 75
Mhz Pentium with 36 Megs running NT.  BTW, CD'S?  Please?

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    06-Nov-99 11:42:05
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> And do a heck of a lot of other stuff,  apparently!

It is indeed versatile!  And the programmer is a gentlman and a scholar.

-> Is that program dialup-only,  or is it usable in a LAN environment?

Well, to connect to the Web it's dialup.....  Can you LAN into it?  I
dunno, never even tried. I know it runs flawlessly in the same machine
Lantastic is running on......
(Anything that won't peacefully co-exist with Lantastic gets chunked
here.)

-> Any ideas about whether it'll run under DV?  I just browsed a bit
-> through the doc file, but the answers weren't apparent.

I don't see why not..... It's a very well behaved Dos app.  Never did
anything even remotely flaky while I was using it.  I have heard rumors
of it locking up, but the only way I experienced that was losing the
connection to the ISP. (Which happened a LOT in those days.  The ISP had
Telco problems galore, and was having lines dropped as other callers hit
the system.)

Actually, Roy, I liked it better than Netscape via Win 3.11 (Which was
all I had at the time)  Outlook Express has me spoiled now.....Win98.

Bring buck$$$$$ though.  I had three 16 Meg sticks of EDO RAM go south
with my P-Pro motherboard, and I'm hurtin for certain for RAM.

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    06-Nov-99 11:47:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> You have seen me talk about that in the past. It has to do with the
-> swap file, the session settings for the DOS sessions and other
-> things.

I'd sure like to know more about that!  I already learned some stuff
from what you told the Lady.....  Where can we find such info?   (Or is
it something that has to be learned via experience?)

Having a nice quick hard drive sounds like it would be important for the
swapfile facet of it. Nes ce pas?


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From: Linda Proulx                                      05-Nov-99 23:23:08
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 EH> Nettamer for Dos will import/attach  files.

The board that I get my email on will accept file attachments with email
in but I can't attach anything out.

 EH> I'll ship it off later today, after I get through reading my Fido mail.

Thank you. (linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca)


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      06-Nov-99 12:34:21
  To: Fred Springfield                                  07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Fred Springfield wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 FS> The easy way to do this is put your DOS+Windows FWG 3.11 on one box,
 FS> and OS/2 Connect on the other box, and then hook them together with
 FS> the IBM Peer networking.  It works just fine.  You will be able to run

And from what is being said WFW actually does not have to be started.
The autoexec.bat can do all the work.  Right?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      06-Nov-99 12:58:24
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> David Calafrancesco wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 DC> If this isn't clear, write back and I will try a different approach.

Quite clear.  Putting all the info together <RBG>


Anon,

Linda

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Nov-99 18:44:19
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

-> Ram is good,  yeah.  That's apparent to me from other stuff I'm doing
-> on other machines.  I plan to max things out here on different boxes
-> as I find that I can afford to,  whenever that is.

 EH> Roy, the way Uncle Billy's 

billyboy ain't no uncle of mine!

 EH> software gobbles RAM and the results of the earthquake/etc have 
 EH> made buying MORE RAM out of the question, I'm VERY pleased that 
 EH> OS/2 is happy with what it's got.....

Well,  I've got 40 megs in the 486dx2/66 that's currently running OS/2,  so
there's a bit of room for improvement there.  This box only has 16 megs in it
but I've got a couple of parts to stick in there.  The hangup on filling it
all the way is going to be finding some 4M 30 pin parts at a price I can
stomach.  The w95 box has 16 megs in it and seems happy enough with it,  I
ain't gonna mess with it.  And the Linux server has 64M,  and some empty
sockets in there.  That puppy has (looking) 38 processes currently running and 
rarely touches the swapfile,  though I have loaded it down a time or two.

I'm not in any hurry,  and can wait for prices to come back down.  <g>

 EH> Sixteen megs seems to be plenty on a 486-40 which FLYS compared 
 EH> to my 75 Mhz Pentium with 36 Megs running NT.  BTW, CD'S?  
 EH> Please?

Yep.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Nov-99 18:48:03
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

-> And do a heck of a lot of other stuff,  apparently!

 EH> It is indeed versatile!  And the programmer is a gentlman and a 
 EH> scholar. 

-> Is that program dialup-only,  or is it usable in a LAN environment?

 EH> Well, to connect to the Web it's dialup.....  Can you LAN into 
 EH> it?  I dunno, never even tried. I know it runs flawlessly in 
 EH> the same machine Lantastic is running on...... (Anything that 
 EH> won't peacefully co-exist with Lantastic gets chunked here.)

I was thinking about the fact that the other three boxes are all talking to
each other but this dos/dv box isn't in the picture the way I'd like it to be. 
I had ncsa telnet's ftp package working with a packet driver,  but somehow
managed to break that and haven't gotten it working since then.

That software looks like a good alternative choice,  especially since it seems 
to give more functions.  Since I'm running tcp/ip here I thought there might
be a chance to use it,  mostly to access other machines on the network.  (I'm
doing things like using some homegrown web pages to access doc files,  etc.)

-> Any ideas about whether it'll run under DV?  I just browsed a bit
-> through the doc file, but the answers weren't apparent.

 EH> I don't see why not..... It's a very well behaved Dos app. 
 EH> Never did anything even remotely flaky while I was using it.  I 
 EH> have heard rumors of it locking up, but the only way I 
 EH> experienced that was losing the connection to the ISP. (Which 
 EH> happened a LOT in those days.  The ISP had Telco problems 
 EH> galore, and was having lines dropped as other callers hit the 
 EH> system.)

Ouch.

 EH> Actually, Roy, I liked it better than Netscape via Win 3.11 
 EH> (Which was all I had at the time)  Outlook Express has me 
 EH> spoiled now.....Win98.

Can't say I've done much with it.

 EH> Bring buck$$$$$ though.  I had three 16 Meg sticks of EDO RAM 
 EH> go south with my P-Pro motherboard, and I'm hurtin for certain 
 EH> for RAM.

Ouch.

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    06-Nov-99 18:12:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Thank you. (linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca)

Went out this afternoon without a hitch.  You should have it already.

Use it in good health.

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From: Dan Egli                                          06-Nov-99 17:32:28
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Question on OS/2 Lan

Ok all - Question

I have Os/2 Warp 4 (Basic, or Warp Server for E Business, but Vanilia Warp 4
is installed, plus fixPak 11)

I am trying to setup a TCP based network where Os/2 is the server. Here's the
situation:

2 Machines: OS/2 Box has the modem. Win98 box has no modem. Both machines need
access to the intenet so I want to configure the Os/2 box as a Gateway for
the 98 box. 98 Looks to Os/2 for TCP packets, and OS/2 looks to the dialup
connection established. However, when I enable the NIC in the Os/2 box, I can
use MS's Peer to Peer networking fine, but trying to ping the IP I assign to
the NIC results in Network is unreachable.

I have the Netmask on both boxes as: 255.0.0.0 And the 98 box is:
10.0.0.10 while the Os/2 box is 10.0.0.5

Anyone got any tips? As I mentioned, I have Warp 4 installed, but if it would
be easier and/or more efficent to use Warp 4 Server for E Business, I have
a copy of that too.

Thanks!

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From: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 00:32:14
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 EH> Yep!  I fully understand and certainly agree! However we
 EH> don't NEED four modems anymore as four callers A DAY are a
 EH> lot these days.  The new BBS *IS* OS2, and I wouldn't run
 EH> anything else if I didn't need Uncle Billy's software to
 EH> deal with the %(^&$ Web effectively. You'd get no argument
 EH> from ME about OS/2 being the best OS, but this is the LAN
 EH> echo, and I was answering the lady's question about HOW to
 EH> effectively use OS/2 to connect with her old Dos machine.
 EH> IMHO Lantastic does it admirably. and at practically no cost
 EH> as regards system overhead.  The OS/2 machine certainly
 EH> doesn't notice the overhead, and a properly set up Dos
 EH> machine is hardly affected at all.

Is the Windows stuff needed for Netscape? Netscape 4.x under OS2 is just as
buggy as Netscape 4.x under Win95/98 and more stable than Internet Exploder.
What other net tools you need are probably available via free ports of Linux
tools. 

 EH> Actually, I guess the LAN software isn't as important as
 EH> properly utilizing a memory manager that lets it all load hi
 EH> for Dos. QEMM-386 _NON_ stealth lets Lantastic, DesqView, a
 EH> spelling checker, a couple of Professional Write windows and
 EH> a thesaurus all run on a Dos box (Literally, housed in a
 EH> plywood box nailed to my porch wall) a 386-40 with four megs
 EH> of RAM (Eight is better) for MONTHS at a time. It hasn't
 EH> been reboooted since the last power failure last August. 

I had difficulty getting Lantastic to stabilize with the SCSI ROMs more than
anything else. With the extra ROMs in the memory map there was even less space 
available for stuffing things high and as a result I was running out of memory 
or seeing problems. Don't get me wrong, the BBS ran on two or three systems
for several years to allow me to have the SCSI drivers, CD drivers, WORM
drivers etc on one DOS system and enough network loaded to access it from the
rest of my system(s) where no matter how many drivers I needed to access my
devices that only the network client was required to be able to access them
all. Moving to OS2 I was able to move all the devices (except the WORM but I
stopped using that long before for other reasons) into a single box and still
have it run the BBS flawlessly. 

-> news pullers, ftp clients and other detritus and even handle your
-> wife's business

 EH> Yep!  It's interesting to watch IREX bring in the mail,
 EH> while a caller is online with MAX (Two modems) Squish
 EH> tossing, Seal in it's Dos window stashing files and me
 EH> online via the LAN looking at the logfiles, or writing
 EH> NetMail on FrontDoor's Editor.  OS/2 's definitely cool. 

And you haven't even started stressing it yet ;)

-> found that the biggest thing is more memory is great but having a
-> huge fast pipe for tossing makes the most improvement in speed.

 EH> Which brings us to the subject of moving the stuff around
 EH> the system.... 

 EH> Planet Connect. I know you remember that.  Remember how
 EH> picky the downlink software was?  Didn't  even like to share
 EH> with a VGA card. 

Not directly, I was a downlink of a PC customer. 

 EH> Well, I ran Tommy Brown's downlink software on a 386-33
 EH> using DesqView (And QEMM-386) with Squish tossing
 EH> SIMULTANIOUSLY across the LAN to the machine that actually
 EH> hubbed the mail out. I was getting the mail out to the nodes
 EH> by ten thirty or eleven oclock from the morning mail run,
 EH> and the ONLY way I could do it was via Lantastic.

 EH> BTW, KA9Q was the only software I ever ran that absolutely
 EH> refused to stabilize with Lantastic.  We probably COULD run
 EH> it under OS/2 but there are much better programs out there
 EH> now.......

All of KA9Qs features (except it's ability to drive HAM radio packet modems)
is built into Warp (all flavors). 

Do you share the TCP/IP connection among all the systems on your LAN? If not,
consider spending about $40-50 for InJoy which will allow you to use IP
masquerading to allow all your systems to see the internet from a dialup
connection made from the OS2 box. All it needs is the IAK or the full TCP/IP
if you are running Warp4 or a connect/server edition. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 00:44:14
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

-> You have seen me talk about that in the past. It has to do with the
-> swap file, the session settings for the DOS sessions and other
-> things.

 EH> I'd sure like to know more about that!  I already learned
 EH> some stuff from what you told the Lady.....  Where can we
 EH> find such info?   (Or is it something that has to be learned
 EH> via experience?)

It took several years to learn it all but there are more FAQs and such
available these days than there were back then. 

 EH> Having a nice quick hard drive sounds like it would be
 EH> important for the swapfile facet of it. Nes ce pas?

OK... some quick basics, you saw the stuff for optimizing the DOS session
settings. Don't forget to use SIO, add the ",-" paramater to allow the COMM
ports to share between your DOS and OS2 sessions. Make sure that the DOS
session that accesses a particular COMM port doesn't have access to any other
port. The ket to the swap file is to place it on the most used partition of
the least used drive always choosing HPFS over FAT for the swap file. The next 
biggest thing is to ensure that the swap file starts 25% larger than you have
ever seen it grow. I use a guideline of 64mb as a minimum and will expand from 
there if needed. 

My current system I have finally dropped the swap down to default but it also
has 128mb of RAM (usually it has 196mb but I stopped using HPFS386 recently
and don't need that much RAM anymore). 

The most important thing I can suggest is to keep the system updated at a
decent fixpack level and to ensure that the subsystems are also updated and to 
never under any circumstances leave Netscape up and running overnight. Shut it 
down when you are not actually using it or it's memory leaks will blow the
system out of the water. I know that mine has that problem still. 

Basic config.sys tweaking is best done following the suggestions in the
various config.sys FAQs or optimizing programs. Simple things like if you
don't have any FAT drives in the system rem the diskcache line. If you do have 
FAT drives change the diskcache to use a fixed amount of RAM or else it grabs
circa 25% of system RAM depending on how much memory you have. Set the maxwait 
to 1 as running a BBS you want every task to have the same shot at processor
time. 

I would web out to www.os2ss.com and check some of the tweaking and optimizing 
web pages linked there as they do a far better job of covering everthing. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 01:03:04
  To: Dan Egli                                          07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Question on OS/2 Lan

Dan Egli wrote in a message to All:

 DE> I have Os/2 Warp 4 (Basic, or Warp Server for E Business,
 DE> but Vanilia Warp 4 is installed, plus fixPak 11)

 DE> I am trying to setup a TCP based network where Os/2 is the
 DE> server. Here's the situation:

 DE> 2 Machines: OS/2 Box has the modem. Win98 box has no modem.
 DE> Both machines need access to the intenet so I want to
 DE> configure the Os/2 box as a Gateway for the 98 box. 98 Looks
 DE> to Os/2 for TCP packets, and OS/2 looks to the dialup
 DE> connection established. However, when I enable the NIC in
 DE> the Os/2 box, I can use MS's Peer to Peer networking fine,
 DE> but trying to ping the IP I assign to the NIC results in
 DE> Network is unreachable.

First step go into MPTS and ensure that you have both netbui and also TCP/IP
assigned to that card. Go into the Win98 box and do the same thing under
Networking. 

 DE> I have the Netmask on both boxes as: 255.0.0.0 And the 98
 DE> box is: 10.0.0.10 while the Os/2 box is 10.0.0.5

This sounds like you have TCP/IP enabled. So the above is probably already
done. Instead of using the 10 net, try the same config I use here. Use
192.168.0.1 for the OS2 box, use any other address from 192.168.0.2 to
192.168.0.254 for all the other nodes on the network. Use a netmask of
255.255.255.0 for all the systems. Use a router or gateway of 192.168.0.1 (the 
OS2 system). You will use your ISPs assigned nameserver(s) on _all_ the
systems. Ensure that every system has a unique hostname. At this point you
should be able to ping each machine from the other(s) using the IP addresses.
Nameservices won't be usable until you get the IP masquerading working on the
OS2 box. You can add a hostname shortcut to the HOSTS file on each system to
allow them to find the other systems without you having to use the IP
addresses. The OS2 file would be like this:

####################################################################### 
192.168.0.1      bbs                                     bbs                   
 192.168.0.2      bigwin95                                bigwin
192.168.0.3      burn                                    burn
127.0.0.1        localhost                               

Make sure that you delete any routing info on the OS2 box as it will not be
routing anything to anywhere else on your local LAN. The PPP drivers will add
the default routes at the time of setting up the PPP link. 

You will need to use the registered version of InJoy to get the IP
Masquerading working. Once installed and registered, all you have to do is
enable IP Masquerading (don't usually need to enable masq OS2 box) and you
should be able to see the outside world from everywhere. 

** Remember that PING will not pass through the IP Masq process as it is not
the right type of connection. Instead use a telnet or ftp or web connect to
verify that the outside world is viewable. 

 DE> Anyone got any tips? As I mentioned, I have Warp 4
 DE> installed, but if it would be easier and/or more efficent to
 DE> use Warp 4 Server for E Business, I have a copy of that too.

WSEB is not need for any of this. Warp4 is more than sufficient. In fact, Any
Warp with the full TCP/IP installed is fine. For Warp3 that means either
connect or adding the Warp Server or getting the standalone TCP/IP stuff. You
don't need to worry about that as Warp4 is a 'connect' version. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Linda Proulx                                      06-Nov-99 22:08:23
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 EH> THere ya go! Pragmatist at work.  Do not disturb!  <Grin>

Always keep yoiur options open!  m~\~m

 EH> Look on your OS/2 machine and see if you have "FSFILTER" if not I'll
 EH> ship you that too.

Well don't have it loaded yet.  If it comes with Warp 3 I will.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      06-Nov-99 22:10:10
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 EH> easily from a OS/2 machine via Lantastc in a virtual window.

I can do that with my Lantastic then.

 EH> I think what you want to do is easily done using the stuff from

 EH> Textfile will be on it's way shortly.

Thanks.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 06:43:05
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> the way is going to be finding some 4M 30 pin parts at a price I can
-> stomach.

I'm pretty much in the same boat with 4meg thirtys. Need a couple dozen
of 'em, and thought I'd found a source in W Virginia but it proved a
dead end.  My P-Pro NT muthaboa'd went south last week taking three
sticks of 72 pin EDO RAM with it..... Leaving me with not enough....

-> I'm not in any hurry,  and can wait for prices to come back down.
-> <g>

I guess I can too since I don't have much choice!  Let's hope they
overproduce like crazy like they did before and the price comes down
dramatically.  Like I said, I'm pleased that OS/2 is happy with less RAM
than YOUR Uncle's stuff.  <Grin>

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 07:30:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Is the Windows stuff needed for Netscape? Netscape 4.x under OS2 is
-> just as buggy as Netscape 4.x under Win95/98 and more stable than
-> Internet Exploder.

Well, I tried Netscape (Under WFWG) and it just didn't do it for me,
where Nettamer DID! But with IE 5 and Outlook Express (Under Win98) I'm
a happy camper.  Much as I hate to admit actually LIKING M$ code.

-> What other net tools you need are probably available via free ports
-> of Linux tools.

QUite likely, but in my old age I've resigned myself to the fact that
it's easier to relax and go with it than it is to fight the inevitable.
In other words I wimped out after years of butting my head against the
M$ wall.

-> I had difficulty getting Lantastic to stabilize with the SCSI ROMs
-> more than anything else. With the extra ROMs in the memory map there
-> was even less space

Hah! You made the same mistake I did. I tried to use high end SCSI hosts
and had HELL with that.  Then I stumbled onto som el-cheapo Future
Domain hosts that had agile ROM addresses.  I might have given up a tad
of buss speed, but I got rid of that gnawing pain in the backside from
having ROMS scattered all over my high-memory area.  I will admit to
have wasted hundreds of hours of time picking around in himemory for a
better 'fit' but once I found it I considered it time well spent, and
with nominally 615K free and everything I needed loaded, I blithly
marched on enjoying the best of both. SCSI, and a stable LAN.

-> to OS2 I was able to move all the devices (except the WORM but I
-> stopped using that long before for other reasons) into a single box
-> and still have it run the BBS flawlessly.

I could never afford the WORM or most of those other expensive toys, but
I quickly recognised that for the Y2K machine OS/2 was the only choice.
It's up and running and I've never regretted going that way. And
although my beloved old PCBoard with it's Slovenian tosser probably will
fall down dead on 1/1/2000 the OS/2 box will soldier on. It may not be
elegant, (Personally I don't much care for Maximus) but it'll BE!

-> And you haven't even started stressing it yet ;)

No, but I stressed my MIND the first time the FD mailer started shipping
out Netmail as fast as I was writing it!  I'd forgotten that the mailer
was up and running in a closed window and couldn't figure out where my
netmail had gone! I knew I'd WRITTEN them, but the messages wern't in
the outbound! <Grin>

-> All of KA9Qs features (except it's ability to drive HAM radio packet
-> modems) is built into Warp (all flavors).

I wasn't aware of that, but thinking back I guess you're right.  KA9Q
was always somewhat of a mystery to me.  I DID run it, but I never fully
trusted it. Anything that consistently makes a QEMM exception error
after running for an hour, is suspect!

-> Do you share the TCP/IP connection among all the systems on your LAN?

Frankly, modems are too cheap to justify that, and I'm not masochist
enough to do that to myself. <Grin>  But I have considered Injoy to help
IREX dial more effectively. My BBS OS is a somwhat bastardized mix of
Ver 3 with WARP imposed upon it. (I'm not proud) When I complete the
update to Warp 4 I'll be more confident about letting IREX take command
of the mail scheduling.

And since most of the REST of my LAN consists of Dos boxes and Uncle
Billy's stuff, the TCIP connections are not really needed.  As I build
more OS/2 workstations to replace the Dos machines, I may go that route.
(If I can hold off buying The Lady a Mac......)

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 07:34:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 14:47:09
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> I would web out to www.os2ss.com and check some of the tweaking and
-> optimizing web pages linked there as they do a far better job of
-> covering everthing.

That's precisely what I needed to know.

Muchas Garcias Senior!  <Grin>

Regards

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From: Will Honea                                        07-Nov-99 18:32:02
  To: Dan Egli                                          07-Nov-99 18:32:02
Subj: Question on OS/2 Lan

Dan Egli wrote to All on 11-06-1999DE> I have Os/2 Warp 4 (Basic, or
Warp Server for E Business, but DE> Vanilia Warp 4 is installed, plus
fixPak 11) DE> 
DE> I am trying to setup a TCP based network where Os/2 is the server.
DE> Here's the situation: 
 <snipped>

Dan, Dave seems to have covered everything very well but nowhere do I
see any mention of IP forwarding or ipgate on - without that the OS/2
box won't forward packets.  Run TCPCONFG  and be sure this box is
checked.  Altrnately,  cgeck in \mtpn\bin\setup.cmd and see if the
line "ipgate on" is there.  As a quick check, type the command from a
command line and see if the ping gets thru.

> ** Remember that PING will not pass through the IP Masq 
> process as it is not the right type of connection. Instead 
> use a telnet or ftp or web connect to verify that the 
> outside world is viewable. 

One more quibble.  This is not true for current versions of Injoy (1.2
and later).  The Ping packets get out quite nicely.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: David Calafrancesco                               07-Nov-99 13:00:01
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 21:30:14
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 EH> Hah! You made the same mistake I did. I tried to use high
 EH> end SCSI hosts and had HELL with that.  Then I stumbled onto
 EH> som el-cheapo Future Domain hosts that had agile ROM
 EH> addresses.  I might have given up a tad of buss speed, but I
 EH> got rid of that gnawing pain in the backside from having
 EH> ROMS scattered all over my high-memory area.  I will admit
 EH> to have wasted hundreds of hours of time picking around in
 EH> himemory for a better 'fit' but once I found it I considered
 EH> it time well spent, and with nominally 615K free and
 EH> everything I needed loaded, I blithly marched on enjoying
 EH> the best of both. SCSI, and a stable LAN. 

The recent Adaptec 1542s and 2930s that came with my SCSI CD-ROM burners over
the past three years were the first _non_ Future Domain SCSI hosts I have had. 
I have been running FDs since way back in the 8 bit days. My third hard drive
was a SCSI back circa 1985-7. Most of the drives since have all been SCSI as
well. 

 EH> No, but I stressed my MIND the first time the FD mailer
 EH> started shipping out Netmail as fast as I was writing it! 
 EH> I'd forgotten that the mailer was up and running in a closed
 EH> window and couldn't figure out where my netmail had gone! I
 EH> knew I'd WRITTEN them, but the messages wern't in the
 EH> outbound! <Grin>

hehehe... the be all and end all reason to use OS2 in a nutshell.
Multithreaded OSes are neat. Last I checked I had 60+ programs running 180+
threads doing nothing manual except having a single TimEd session open. 

-> All of KA9Qs features (except it's ability to drive HAM radio packet
-> modems) is built into Warp (all flavors).

 EH> I wasn't aware of that, but thinking back I guess you're
 EH> right.  KA9Q was always somewhat of a mystery to me.  I DID
 EH> run it, but I never fully trusted it. Anything that
 EH> consistently makes a QEMM exception error after running for
 EH> an hour, is suspect!

-> Do you share the TCP/IP connection among all the systems on your LAN?

 EH> Frankly, modems are too cheap to justify that, and I'm not
 EH> masochist enough to do that to myself. <Grin>  But I have
 EH> considered Injoy to help IREX dial more effectively. My BBS
 EH> OS is a somwhat bastardized mix of Ver 3 with WARP imposed
 EH> upon it. (I'm not proud) When I complete the update to Warp
 EH> 4 I'll be more confident about letting IREX take command of
 EH> the mail scheduling.

 EH> And since most of the REST of my LAN consists of Dos boxes
 EH> and Uncle Billy's stuff, the TCIP connections are not really
 EH> needed.  As I build more OS/2 workstations to replace the
 EH> Dos machines, I may go that route. (If I can hold off buying 
 EH> (If I can hold off buying The Lady a Mac......)

You are misunderstanding what InJoy and TCP/IP would be doing for you.
Currently you have multiple modems and use them at different times to access
the net. But only the one system can access the net at any point in time. I
use a single modem on one system and any of the 6+ systems I have here are
connected to the net. Almost anything you can do with a local PPP connection
you can do through InJoy's IP Masquerading. You can even share the uplink with 
a Mac as long as it can speak TCP/IP over EtherNet. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Linda Proulx                                      07-Nov-99 12:55:25
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 21:30:14
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 EH> Went out this afternoon without a hitch.  You should have it already.

Not yet, but will show up soon.



Anon,

Linda

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 16:23:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      08-Nov-99 13:55:23
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Well don't have it loaded yet.  If it comes with Warp 3 I will.

It came with mine..... But you should have another one by now......
It's zipped in with LANTASTI.TXT


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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 16:25:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      08-Nov-99 13:55:23
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> I can do that with my Lantastic then.

If you're running Lantastic anyway/already, this is simple as falling
down and not near as dangerous.   <Grin>


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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    07-Nov-99 16:35:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               08-Nov-99 13:55:23
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> I have been running FDs since way back in the 8 bit days. My third
-> hard drive was a SCSI back circa 1985-7. Most of the drives since
-> have all been SCSI as well.

I din't run anything BUT SCSI's until the EIDE's got so cheap it just
didn't matter.....  and almost all of them on FD hosts.  I never did
know what was WRONG with them..... <Grin>

-> You are misunderstanding what InJoy and TCP/IP would be doing for
-> you.

I'm the first to admit I don't know anything about Injoy (yet) but with
phone lines that are hard pressed to get a 21600 connection, I doubt I'd
have much luck with several systems addressing one modem.  Perhaps
not...

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From: David Calafrancesco                               08-Nov-99 09:05:08
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    08-Nov-99 14:32:26
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

-> I have been running FDs since way back in the 8 bit days. My third
-> hard drive was a SCSI back circa 1985-7. Most of the drives since
-> have all been SCSI as well.

 EH> I din't run anything BUT SCSI's until the EIDE's got so
 EH> cheap it just didn't matter.....  and almost all of them on
 EH> FD hosts.  I never did know what was WRONG with them.....
 EH> <Grin>

-> You are misunderstanding what InJoy and TCP/IP would be doing for
-> you.

 EH> I'm the first to admit I don't know anything about Injoy
 EH> (yet) but with phone lines that are hard pressed to get a
 EH> 21600 connection, I doubt I'd have much luck with several
 EH> systems addressing one modem.  Perhaps not...

My systems are all connected to the net on a 26400 connection and it sometimes 
get bogged down but not often. When my v90 was running it would never get more 
than a 28,800 connect. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    08-Nov-99 11:06:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      08-Nov-99 16:29:27
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Not yet, but will show up soon.

Unless your ISP is a lot differnt from mine it was there about ten
minutes after I sent it!  (Or do you have to arm-wrestle the system for
your mail?)


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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    08-Nov-99 12:39:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               08-Nov-99 19:15:25
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> My systems are all connected to the net on a 26400 connection and it
-> sometimes get bogged down but not often. When my v90 was running it
-> would never get more than a 28,800 connect.

I'll look into it since I'm planning on trying Injoy anyway.  Which file
distribution system does it come down? (If any)

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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 02:47:29
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    09-Nov-99 20:07:28
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 -> Not yet, but will show up soon.

 EH> Unless your ISP is a lot differnt from mine it was there about ten
 EH> minutes after I sent it!  (Or do you have to arm-wrestle the system for
 EH> your mail?)

I get my email through a board.  I asked my sysop about if a file came
through from you & it seems to not have.  That's why I wrote asking for
name etc.  Also discovered that it won't accept an attachment over 1 Mb.
Someone tried to send me an attachment @ 1.2 Mb zip & the board won't
accept it.  Nothing bounced back?

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  09-Nov-99 09:35:08
  To: Coridon Henshaw                                   09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Hello Coridon!

05 Nov 99 23:09, Coridon Henshaw wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>>     Using TCP/IP
 CH> You might want to mention that none of these options will provide
 CH> drive sharing without NFS support...
    Anybody says something 'bout drive sharing?

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:33:15
  To: ROY J. TELLASON                                   09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: no finger?

[This may be a duplicate message.  My Fido host had a glitch]
[that prevented mail from going out for an unspecified      ]
[length of time, so I have to repost recent messages.       ]


Some senseless babbling from Roy J. Tellason to All
on 10-25-99  23:01 about no finger?...

 RJT> I tried running "finger" from the Linux box directed at the OS/2
box,
 RJT> and got "connection refused".  What do I need to change in order
to
 RJT> fix this?
 RJT> It's listed in c:\mptn\etc\services...

OS/2 isn't a multi-user operating system.  There's no purpose to using a
finger program.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       09-Nov-99 17:34:00
  To: ALL                                               09-Nov-99 22:40:27
Subj: Ethernet & Token Ring q's

[This may be a duplicate message.  My Fido host had a glitch]
[that prevented mail from going out for an unspecified      ]
[length of time, so I have to repost recent messages.       ]


A few weeks ago, I stuck a token ring card in this and my server
machine,
just to see how a token ring network performs with just a couple
machines.

Since then, I've had problems with TCP/IP on the ethernet connection
between the two machines.  NetBIOS seems to work fine.  When I FTP a
file
(either direction, several client and server programs) over the ethernet
stack, the transfer rate is only about 20KB/sec (on a 10BaseT
connection).
The hub shows a weird collision pattern, consisting of the packet light
flashing dimly, followed by a bright collision flash.  This repeats
throughout the transfer.  If I use a buffer size between 512 and 1024
bytes
in the client program (as opposed to the default of a few KB to 10KB in
my
own clients), the transfer is greatly improved, but still problematic.

The ethernet interface (LAN0) is configured as 172.20.0.x (20 for the
server, 22 for this machine).  The token ring interface is set at
172.22.0.x (still 20 and 22, for simplicity).  The server machine has no
routing entries (beyond what InJoy creates at dial-up).  This machine
has a
default route to the token ring address (I use InJoy's IP masquerading).

Is there something obvious I'm missing here that would cause the TCP/IP
problem over ethernet (token ring, incidentally, gets about 800KB/sec.
via
FTP)?

The second question involves NetBIOS, and a remote OS/2 install.

I need to keep NetBIOS available on the ethernet LAN, because there's
another machine which isn't on the token ring LAN.

But I also have an old PS/2 Model 70 that I'm trying to install OS/2 on,
over the token ring LAN.  I got halfway through the installation before
a
hard drive problem bit me, but to do it, I had to remove the ethernet
interface from this machine, and reboot with only the token ring
interface,
bound with NetBIOS.

If I have both interfaces active, and bind NetBIOS to both, the remote
install doesn't find this machine (the one with the OS/2 CD).

What's the solution here?  I could remove the ethernet interface just to
get the installation done, but I'd still have the problem later of
sharing
drives over the token ring LAN.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    09-Nov-99 17:30:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 00:36:13
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> I get my email through a board.  I asked my sysop about if a file
-> came through from you & it seems to not have.  That's why I wrote

Heck, I can F'attach it to the BBS easy enough if you really want the
thing. It's only 10K or so.  Even to Canada it can't be over fifty
cents!  OR he could pick it up off my Board in half a minute by freq.

-> accept it.  Nothing bounced back?

Nope.  I just checked my Email and it din't say anything about a bounce.

Want I should try it again? F'attach it to Robin's BBS? Just lemme
know....

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From: Gord Hannah                                       08-Nov-99 08:28:17
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    10-Nov-99 06:08:25
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Replying to a message from Elvis Hargrove 1:397/6.2 to David Calafrancesco,

About Lan OS/2 w/DOS, On Sun Nov 07 1999

EH> I wasn't aware of that, but thinking back I guess you're right. 
EH> KA9Q was always somewhat of a mystery to me.  I DID run it, but I
EH> never fully trusted it. Anything that consistently makes a QEMM
EH> exception error after running for an hour, is suspect!

I never got an exception running KA9Q, it was just  not tough enough to be
consistent, some days I could connect every time others for get it, for me to
go 4 days with no mail was normal.  Then whammo a whole raft came in at once.

With fiftp all is well I get my mail more reliably now and trust it.

If your BBS stuff goes south 1/1/2000 why not consider AdeptXBBS, it is OS/2
native and works quite well for my purposes.
Features:
Built in Areafix, tic processor,  if you are good with a bit of programming
highly configurable, internet ready.  To get a copy go to
http://cereal.mv.com.

Note: I am a former MAX user my self.

EH> that route. (If I can hold off buying The Lady a Mac......)

Apple Talk should go into your lan with very little problems, have a friend
that is a whiz at this will ask him.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Linda Proulx                                      09-Nov-99 17:36:27
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    10-Nov-99 07:24:20
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 -> Not yet, but will show up soon.

 EH> Unless your ISP is a lot differnt from mine it was there about ten
 EH> minutes after I sent it!  (Or do you have to arm-wrestle the system for
 EH> your mail?)

Don't have an ISP.  Email through Robin's Universe Board. (All Hail
Sysops)  Also discovered that it won't take file attachments larger than
1 Mb.


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Nov-99 11:44:07
  To: David Calafrancesco                               10-Nov-99 13:23:26
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Elvis Hargrove:

 DC> The most important thing I can suggest is to keep the system 
 DC> updated at a decent fixpack level and to ensure that the 
 DC> subsystems are also updated and to never under any 
 DC> circumstances leave Netscape up and running overnight. Shut it 
 DC> down when you are not actually using it or it's memory leaks 
 DC> will blow the system out of the water. I know that mine has 
 DC> that problem still.

Now *that* is an interesting tidbit.  I have had it running on the OS/2 box
here for several days,  been using it to browse the stuff I'm setting up on
the Linux box here (running Apache server)...

No problems so far,  but the system did run short on swap space once or twice
over the past month or so.  But then,  there isn't very much spare HD space on 
the whole machine at the moment,  with it being only a 540M drive in there.

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    10-Nov-99 12:57:05
  To: Gord Hannah                                       10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> I never got an exception running KA9Q, it was just  not tough enough

It would run and work for a while.... Exception errors generally happen
immediately when a prog loads.  KA9Q was doing something strange with
memory. Sorta like the Memory leaks that happen under Windows.

-> Features:
-> Built in Areafix, tic processor,  if you are good with a bit of
-> programming highly configurable, internet ready.  To get a copy go to
-> http://cereal.mv.com.

I could stand that!  Max is a good solid BBS, but after years of running
PCBoard it's a little 'stark' to my way of thinking.

I'll pick up a copy and give it a look.  Thanks bunches!

-> Apple Talk should go into your lan with very little problems, have a
-> friend that is a whiz at this will ask him.

My Windows machines offer to install Apple Talk whenever I'm configuring
LAN attributes.  Guess that wouldn't be too awful bad.  Do you know if
the Imac speaks Apple Talk?

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    10-Nov-99 12:58:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> Don't have an ISP.  Email through Robin's Universe Board. (All Hail
-> Sysops)  Also discovered that it won't take file attachments larger
-> than 1 Mb.

Well, this one is under 10K so it oughta have showed up.  I've netmailed
your sysop to ask the BEST way of sending you the file.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 11:35:16
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    10-Nov-99 22:34:15
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 EH> Heck, I can F'attach it to the BBS easy enough if you really want the

You know after all this back & forth I can't remember what you were
sending me. 8-).  Feel a little silly.



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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    10-Nov-99 22:25:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> You know after all this back & forth I can't remember what you were
-> sending me. 8-).  Feel a little silly.

You'll remember when you GET it.  Robin and I've worked it out....

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From: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 00:16:14
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

-> My systems are all connected to the net on a 26400 connection and it
-> sometimes get bogged down but not often. When my v90 was running it
-> would never get more than a 28,800 connect.

 EH> I'll look into it since I'm planning on trying Injoy anyway.
 EH>  Which file distribution system does it come down? (If any)

It would probably be a fernwood if any but I always get my copy direct from
BMT micro (where I registered it and got an insta key). 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 00:18:02
  To: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Question on OS/2 Lan

Will Honea wrote in a message to Dan Egli:

 WH> Dan Egli wrote to All on 11-06-1999DE> I have Os/2 Warp 4
 WH> (Basic, or Warp Server for E Business, but DE> Vanilia Warp
 WH> 4 is installed, plus fixPak 11) DE> 
DE> I am trying to setup a TCP based network where Os/2 is the server.
DE> Here's the situation: 
 WH>  <snipped>

 WH> Dan, Dave seems to have covered everything very well but
 WH> nowhere do I see any mention of IP forwarding or ipgate on -
 WH> without that the OS/2 box won't forward packets.  Run
 WH> TCPCONFG  and be sure this box is checked.  Altrnately, 
 WH> cgeck in \mtpn\bin\setup.cmd and see if the line "ipgate on"
 WH> is there.  As a quick check, type the command from a command
 WH> line and see if the ping gets thru.

I always forget this one for the first few minutes of a fresh install. Drives
me nuts until I remember it. But it is also something I have only had to do
three times in as many years ;)

> ** Remember that PING will not pass through the IP Masq 
> process as it is not the right type of connection. Instead 
> use a telnet or ftp or web connect to verify that the 
> outside world is viewable. 

 WH> One more quibble.  This is not true for current versions of
 WH> Injoy (1.2 and later).  The Ping packets get out quite
 WH> nicely.

Damn... now I have a reason to upgrade ;) still using 1.1 here. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 00:23:29
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 RJT> David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Elvis Hargrove:

 DC> The most important thing I can suggest is to keep the system 
 DC> updated at a decent fixpack level and to ensure that the 
 DC> subsystems are also updated and to never under any 
 DC> circumstances leave Netscape up and running overnight. Shut it 
 DC> down when you are not actually using it or it's memory leaks 
 DC> will blow the system out of the water. I know that mine has 
 DC> that problem still.

 RJT> Now *that* is an interesting tidbit.  I have had it running
 RJT> on the OS/2 box here for several days,  been using it to
 RJT> browse the stuff I'm setting up on the Linux box here
 RJT> (running Apache server)...

 RJT> No problems so far,  but the system did run short on swap
 RJT> space once or twice over the past month or so.  But then, 
 RJT> there isn't very much spare HD space on the whole machine at
 RJT> the moment,  with it being only a 540M drive in there. 

The pages you are browsing are not javascript with lots of frames and set to
autoupdate every few minutes. My homepage is my.yahoo.com and if I leave that
page in particular open for a dozen hours Netscape has gone south (still
showing active updates) but soon as I interact with it... boom... shits the
bed. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine! 
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From: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 00:25:22
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to Gord Hannah:

 EH> My Windows machines offer to install Apple Talk whenever I'm
 EH> configuring LAN attributes.  Guess that wouldn't be too
 EH> awful bad.  Do you know if the Imac speaks Apple Talk?

I thought all the recent stuff defaulted to ethernet and that it was getting
hard to find appletalk stuff anymore. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 00:26:26
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

-> Don't have an ISP.  Email through Robin's Universe Board. (All Hail
-> Sysops)  Also discovered that it won't take file attachments larger
-> than 1 Mb.

 EH> Well, this one is under 10K so it oughta have showed up. 
 EH> I've netmailed your sysop to ask the BEST way of sending you
 EH> the file.

If this is the text file I think you were planning to send, just inline the
text into a regular message. If it is an executable, uuencode it and then
inline the result into a message ;).

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Linda Proulx                                      10-Nov-99 22:37:23
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

Lantastic.zip came down this evening.

Thank you for the touble you went to.



... Ultimate Oxymoron: Fresh Frozen
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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    11-Nov-99 01:24:05
  To: Gord Hannah                                       11-Nov-99 06:32:26
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> If your BBS stuff goes south 1/1/2000 why not consider AdeptXBBS, it
-> is OS/2 native and works quite well for my purposes.

I'm on that site now with the browser..... This is an awesome BBS. A
site a Sysop can be PROUD of. I hope I sniffed out the right file to
D/L.  With my old slow modem it's gonna BE a while.  (Actually, my
modem's old, but not TOO slow, but this Lum and Abner phone system I'm
on severely limits my transfer rates.)

I sure appreciate you pointing me to such a fine site.  There's OS/2
stuff here that makes my mouth water. Never was much of a file leech,
but I can tell I'll be visiting this site AGAIN!  <Grin>

Folks, HTTP://cereal.mv.com is a great site!


Thanks again!
Regards
Elvis
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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    11-Nov-99 13:46:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> I thought all the recent stuff defaulted to ethernet and that it was
-> getting hard to find appletalk stuff anymore.

I wouldn't know about the IMac.......  I'm seriously resisting getting
the Lady one.  She has three of them at school though, and it's getting
harder and harder to resist.  She LIKES 'em.  URK!

 ^..^
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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    11-Nov-99 13:48:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 20:36:17
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> If this is the text file I think you were planning to send, just
-> inline the

It should be there now....  It IS the same old text file.  I may have
gotten it from you......  It's certainly served ME well!

 ^..^
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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:19:26
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Elvis Hargrove wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 EH> You'll remember when you GET it.  Robin and I've worked it out....

And I got it today.  I wonder what happened.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      11-Nov-99 12:20:25
  To: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 23:35:21
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> David Calafrancesco wrote to Elvis Hargrove <=-

 DC> If this is the text file I think you were planning to send, just inline
 DC> the text into a regular message. If it is an executable, uuencode it
 DC> and then inline the result into a message ;).

Actually probably easier to make a zip type file for someone like me.
With all the excessive text stuff that I get with the packets, I can't
tell the info from the 'garbage'.  At least the zip file info is clean
ASCII.

Anon,

Linda


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From: Will Honea                                        11-Nov-99 19:45:01
  To: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 19:45:01
Subj: Question on OS/2 Lan

David Calafrancesco wrote to Will Honea on 11-11-1999

DC>  WH> One more quibble.  This is not true for current versions of
DC>  WH> Injoy (1.2 and later).  The Ping packets get out quite
DC>  WH> nicely.
DC> 
DC> Damn... now I have a reason to upgrade ;) still using 1.1 here. 

Always glad to create work for someone else (even if I can't type
worth a damn!).

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: David Calafrancesco                               11-Nov-99 23:36:25
  To: Elvis Hargrove                                    12-Nov-99 06:28:03
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

-> If this is the text file I think you were planning to send, just
-> inline the

 EH> It should be there now....  It IS the same old text file.  I
 EH> may have gotten it from you......  It's certainly served ME
 EH> well!

If it has to do with Lantastic you didn't get it from me ;)

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   11-Nov-99 12:41:27
  To: David Calafrancesco                               12-Nov-99 06:28:04
Subj: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> No problems so far,  but the system did run short on swap space 
 RJT> once or twice over the past month or so.  But then, there isn't 
 RJT> very much spare HD space on the whole machine at the moment,  
 RJT> with it being only a 540M drive in there.

 DC> The pages you are browsing are not javascript with lots of 
 DC> frames and set to autoupdate every few minutes. My homepage is 
 DC> my.yahoo.com and if I leave that page in particular open for a 
 DC> dozen hours Netscape has gone south (still showing active 
 DC> updates) but soon as I interact with it... boom... shits the 
 DC> bed.  

True.  In fact,  I found out that I'd had javascript _disabled_ in there until 
I changed that as a way of testing some CGI stuff I was playing with here...

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From: Elvis Hargrove                                    12-Nov-99 01:41:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      12-Nov-99 06:28:04
Subj: Re: Lan OS/2 w/DOS

-> And I got it today.

I thought you might.

-> I wonder what happened.

Knowing what you obviously know about computers and you ask THIS?
<Grin>
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