
                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      21-Oct-99 19:47:00
  To: LEE ARONER                                        30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

Hey LEE ARONER, what's up?

LEE ARONER was heard grumbling this to ALL about Version 2.x SysLevel ??!

 LA> Is there anyone out there with a copy of OS/2 2.x that's loaded on
 LA> a machine? If so, could you tell me how IBM handled the SysLevel
 LA> thing in that version?

I use OS/2 2.11 with fixpack XR_B108 installed, yet I don't know anything
what you're talking about, I don't know anything about OS/2 :/


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From: Albert Sodyl                                      21-Oct-99 19:55:00
  To: ALL                                               30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: OS/2 - Programming

I have a question for all you people who know technical stuff about OS/2,
it has something to do with programming, and I don't know what I can answer
to the bottom message, can anyone help me?


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* From : PHARAOH,  (04-Oct-99  04:27:00)
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 SA> You can call it old, but many people have computers like mine, it's
 SA> not bad, plus runs everything I want it to run, fast!  I can even
 SA> multitask better with DOS programs than a pentium 266 can! That's
 SA> because I run OS/2. Also I want to get a new computer too, once I get
 SA> my job :]

I've had a question for a while now, and as a self-appointed expert on
OS/2, I think you're just the man to answer it.

Why is Ralf Brown's interrupt list peppered with API calls marked
"this function is incompatible with the OS/2 compatibility box"?


... Old programmers never die.  They branch to a new address.
                                                                
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From: Albert Sodyl                                      18-Oct-99 18:35:00
  To: WILL HONEA                                        30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

Hey WILL HONEA, what's up?

WILL HONEA was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 Backup Program!

 AS>> Does anyone know of a good backup program for OS/2? One that
 AS>> If you know of an FTP of where I could get it, that would be
 AS>> awesome!

 WH> After tonight, I still recommend Personal Safe 'n Sound that comes
 WH> with Warp Server.  Not sure if it's still for sale outside of
 WH> Software Choice, but Idelible Blue used to carry it at a
 WH> competitive price.

I don't know if it would run on OS/2 2.11 though, this is the version that
I run.

 WH> Hazards of writing device drivers: I clobbered SOMETHING in the
 WH> OS2 system files and had to do a full restore of nearly 2 gig of
 WH> files in under an hour from power on, tho.  First actual necessary
 WH> full restore since I first installed this Warp 4 system.

Well thanks a lot, I'll keep that in mind, it actually took me over 1 hour
restoring my 200 megs from floppies after formatting with HPFS.



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From: Albert Sodyl                                      18-Oct-99 18:41:00
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

Hey MURRAY LESSER, what's up?

MURRAY LESSER was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS
dead.!

 ML> OS/2 v 2.1 (or v 2.11) are obsolete and no longer supported,
 ML> irrespective of what you may find hidden away in the dusty corners
 ML> of IBM Web sites.  The following two paragraphs are quoted from
 ML> the IBM e-mail marketing newsletter "OS/2 WARP FM" for April 1998
 ML> ("1998" is not a typo!).

I know OS/2 v2.1 are no longer supported, but I still need to find the
latest fixpack for it because it's the only version that I will ever use,
all other one's are very expensive to me, I got 2.1 free from a friend.

 ML> "There comes a time when all good things must come to an end.  For
 ML> OS/2 customers still running the pre-Warp versions of OS/2, that
 ML> time has arrived.  OS/2 2.11 and its predecessors served their
 ML> users well, providing stability, flexibility and in their time
 ML> leading edge capabilities.

I have to use os/2, it's my only choice, either that, or I'd be stuck to
win 3.1 :(




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From: Paul Hildebrandt                                  17-Oct-99 13:58:02
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: GEN GRADD!

Hello JOHN!

16 Oct 99 12:09, JOHN HENTSCH wrote to PAUL HILDEBRANDT:

 PH>> I finally got IBM's gengradd drivers to work on my voodoo3
 PH>> card.

 JH> What exactly is a GADD driver anyway?

It's a new video driver system for OS/2. IBM released it to make it easier for
them to keep up with new hardware coming out. The gengradd is a generic svga
driver that works with all video cards (well almost). It's kind of slow but
it's better than vga.

They also have fast drivers for the more popular video cards (Rage,etc).

Paul

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From: Ian Moote                                         29-Oct-99 07:04:00
  To: DAN EGLI                                          30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: FTP Server for Os/2

DE> I am getting ready to hook up to the Net full time (got a cable
DE> modem on order) and I wanted to know what the best FTPD for Os/2 is,
DE> and also if there is a better version of Sendmail than comes w/ Warp
DE> 4?

I can't answer your question, but a lot of cable-modem service providers 
don't like you setting up FTP, HTTP, and other servers.

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Ian Moote                                         29-Oct-99 07:04:00
  To: ANDY ROBERTS                                      30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

AR> IM> ">8GB drivers"? For the Winodows you mean?
AR>
AR> No, Idedasd.Exe

Oh -- IDE! Fergot about that. Sorry. I'm spoiled. (SCSI. [;)


AR> AR>> Personally I'm getting very tired of hearing him complain about
AR> AR>> OS/2 not installing and how wonderful the M$ installation is.
AR>
AR> IM> And you're forcing him to use OS/2 because...
AR>
AR> LOL... No I told him over a year ago I didn't think OS/2 was for
AR> him.  He just gets a wild hair up his butt every few months, then
AR> pulls Linux or OS/2 off the shelf and goes through that silly cycle
AR> again, always ending up with M$.

Oh -- one of _those_ guys. [:)

I mentioned elsewhere to someone that I'd loaned my Warp 3 to a friend. 
He bought this computer and I was using OS/2 at the time and he heard me 
ragging about Windoof and said that he wanted to try the OS/2 so I told 
him that I would loan him my Warp 3 since I wasn't using it. (::deep 
breath::) So he bought his computer sans O/S and installed it.

t installed very cleanly although he did have to reinstall it a couple 
of times to get things the way he wanted. (Actually, I think we may have 
had some trouble with his sound card or something.) At first, nothing 
but compliments about how well his machine ran with OS/2.

Then the complaints started. "I can't run this." "I can't run that."

"Why can't I run Adobe?" Because it's Windows software. You don't expect 
OS/2 software to run under Windows, why would you expect Windows 
software to run under OS/2? "Why can't I run Doom? It's DOS!" You can 
run Doom, you just need to tweak it a bit. OS/2 is far more user-
configurable than Windows. Look at Duke Nukem -- it runs fine! "OS/2 
won't read this web site!" No... _Netscape_ won't read this website. 
That has nothing to do with OS/2. "OS/2 won't let me listen to this *.AU 
file!!" No, again this has nothing to do with OS/2. "But there isn't a 
RealPlayer for OS/2! OS/2 sucks!!" OS/2 sucks because RealPlayer doesn't 
have OS/2 software? RealPlayer tells you that as an OS/2 user you are 
not important so you blame OS/2?

So then he comes up with an idea. He figgers he needs to get some 
experience with other operating systems. [;))) He's going to install 
Linux and SCO and Win'95 all on the same machine. Yeah, sure, buddy. In 
goes the Win'95, out goes the OS/2. It's two computers later and he's 
running Win'98 and there's still no sign of a Linux install in the 
works!! [;D

I've been hearing about it ever since, though. "Hey, Ian. I'm sending 
you this *.AU file. Ohhhhh -- you can't listen to those, can you!?" Or, 
"What happened -- Netscape lock your OS/2 solid again?"


The utility's on the way. Take care and TTYL.

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From: John Thompson                                     29-Oct-99 09:55:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: E-Mail servers??

In a message to Jack Pfisterer, Russell Tiedt wrote re: E-Mail servers??

RT> Hmmm,wonder if copying my sendmail.cf file from Linux to the OS/2 system
would
RT> work. 

With a little editing it might. You'd have to change mail queue 
paths and such and probably the machine name.  Remember too that 
the latest IBM sendmail is based on the v8.6 code while linux is 
up to v8.9.3 now so the same sendmail.cf may not be completely 
compatible.  There is a independent port of sendmail v8.9.3 for 
OS/2.  IIRC, it includes an m4.exe macro compiler and some 
template files for generating the proper sendmail.cf

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From: John Thompson                                     29-Oct-99 09:55:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: File Systems

In a message to Leonard Erickson, Peter Knapper wrote re: File Systems

LE> Well, there *is* one reason for HPFS on removable media. Long
LE> filenames. 
 
PK> True.
 
LE> At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95 style
LE> long file names. 
 
PK> NO!!! We certainly DONT want a kludge like that thank-you!

Too late:

vfat_003.zip     184595 1998/02/09  Win'95 VFAT IFS for OS/2
os2fat32.zip     190408 1999/03/23  FAT32.IFS for OS/2 version 0.88


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From: John Thompson                                     29-Oct-99 09:55:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: StarOffice

In a message to John Angelico, Lee Aroner wrote re: StarOffice

LA>    Like he says, HTML docs always open in SO, regardless of the 
LA>    association setting. It's similar to the GIF > Picture Viewer 
LA>    thing. No idea what the solution is...

Not here.  They open in Web Explorer, just like the way the 
association is set.  Using Warp v3 FP38 with StarOffice v5.1a 
installed.


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From: John Thompson                                     29-Oct-99 09:55:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: Y2K Question

In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Y2K Question

LP> Me again. Want to confirm that when I Y2k Warp 3, the Win code will be
LP> Y2ked as well.  Or do I have to install the MS fix?

If you're fixpack-ing Warp v3 "blue spine" (original or Connect) 
or Warp v4 then the fixpack will also apply Win-OS/2 y2k patches.
If you're fixpack-ing Warp v3 "red spine" (original or Connect) 
then you will have to get the Microsoft y2k patches for Win3.1, 
if they exist.


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From: Dave Davidson                                     28-Oct-99 19:20:10
  To: Andy Roberts                                      30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Andy,

26-Oct-99 23:36:50, Andy Roberts wrote to Ian Moote
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32
 AR> 26-Oct-99 12:40:00, Ian Moote wrote to ANDY ROBERTS Subject: M$
 AR> "screw you" FAT32

 AR>>> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b"
 AR>>> FAT32 partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is
 AR>>> similar to a type "F" partition.

 IM>> I've got a utility here that I wrote for DOS which will blast the
 IM>> entire MBR off the drive. Send me your E-Mail address.


 Can ya send it to _ME_ as well. I'm the one Andy is trying to help.
 The two drives currently in that machine in question are Segate 4.3GB and
 a Western Digital 2.5GB. The Seagate drive is the one that poses the
 greatest problem as it refuses to allow Bootmanager to be installed,
 and will allow OS/2's FDISK to delete partitions, but not create any.


 AR>>> BTW, as far as the 10.3 GB HD is concerned, he did say he got
 AR>>> the >8GB drivers and made an updated set of OS/2 install
 AR>>> diskettes
 AR> No, Idedasd.Exe

 The 10.3GB drive is also a Seagate and is also the one that received the
 low level format, which didn't help. The IDEDASD.EXE was added to the OS/2
 install disk set.

 Additionally, I used a utility from Seagates version of DiskManager, to
 write 0's to the entire drive. Again, no go.

 FWIW, when the 10.3GB drive was being used, it was the ONLY drive in the
 system and is recognized by the BIOS on boot-up. Each of the three drives
 were used as single drives in an attempt to get OS/2 to load. All three
 show a Type B partition when OS/2's FDISK starts. When it is deleted,
 FDISK will _NOT_ allow me to create any partitions after the Type B
 partition is deleted.


 AR>>> He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then
 AR>>> running Seagate's Low Level Format.

 IM>> I haven't used the latest incarnation of SGATFMT*; does it have a
 IM>> "non-destructive format" option that was used?

 The Seagate format utility I used was destructive. There were at least two
 warnings I had to acknowlege before it would actually start the process,
 which with the 10.3GB drive, took almost 12 hours!

 AR> I haven't used it in many years.  But he said he used it.

  Hehehe, I did!

 AR>>> In the process he has tried to delete that FAT32 partition with
 AR>>> Linux, DOS 6.2, and Partition Magic.
 IM>> None of those worked!?
 AR> That was my understanding.  After each, OS/2 FDISK still would not
 AR> let him create Boot Manager due to a lack of free space and had 1
 AR> type "b" partition that consumed almost the whole HD.  But I
 AR> didn't do the work.  So there may be other circumstances.

 AR>>> In typical M$ user fashion he repeats those last steps 1/2 a
 AR>>> dozen times until he become frustrated and blames OS/2, then
 AR>>> re-installs Win98.

  Correction.... I didn't _blame_ OS/2, I simply stated it wouldn't load
  on my system. Since I've successfully loaded OS/2 on other machines I
  had, there obviously has to be something else causing the problem. The
  question is what!

 IM>> Sounds like he's in Micro$oft's target market.

 AR>>> Personally I'm getting very tired of hearing him complain about
 AR>>> OS/2 not installing and how wonderful the M$ installation is.

  Not how wonderful MS is just the fact that is does install easier that
  OS/2 does, even on a "perfect" system.

 IM>> And you're forcing him to use OS/2 because...

 AR> LOL... No I told him over a year ago I didn't think OS/2 was for
 AR> him.  He just gets a wild hair up his butt every few months, then
 AR> pulls Linux or OS/2 off the shelf and goes through that silly
 AR> cycle again, always ending up with M$.
 AR> Although 4-5 years ago I was serious, within the last year or so
 AR> any urging him to use OS/2 on my part is purely in jest.  And I
 AR> think he knows that.

 That I do... I've always appreciated your friendship, help and advice.
 I think you know that as well.

 IM>> Once he _does_ get it installed, who do you think he's going to
 IM>> call whenever he has a problem with his OS/2 system? [:)

 Obviously, I'll call Andy, <g>

 The reason for wanting to install OS/2 is simple.... The BBS System I'm
 using simply isn't up to the task I want to do with a BBS. AdeptXBBS
 however, is. So, I need to get OS/2 setup so I can run Adept. Simple as
 that.

 IM>> In order to remove all partitions from the drive, simply zero all
 IM>> the values from 01BEh to 01FDh. Personally, I think you should
 IM>> get rid of that Windows MBR entirely by zeroing out everything
 IM>> from 0000h to 01FFh.

 AR> Yes, I agree getting rid of the whole MBR seems best.  And with
 AR> those addresses it should be easy.

 Maybe for you guys it is easy. However, my knowledge of hard drive
 geometry is about equal to my knowledge of rocket science. <g> I can
 install 'em, format 'em, do simple diagnostics, etc. but that's it.

 AR>>> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level
 AR>>> Format prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.
 IM>> As am I.

 That's one of the reasons why the frustration level rose so high. Unless
 I'm not doing something properly, I've followed _all_ the suggestions and
 instructions provided.

 AR> -<snip>-
 IM>> 2. Take the drive and the computer over to Andy's place and have
 IM>> him install the OS/2 for you.

 AR> Oh no NO.!  I draw that line at blood and marriage related family.

 Aw come on Andy.... <g>

 I'm responding to this in a motel room in Houston, TX., but when I get
 back home, I'll post the exact information being shown by OS/2's FDISK ie;
 the Type B partition, the unusual Freespace sizes being reported, etc.

 Maybe, just maybe, someone will be able to unlock the secret that will
 permit me to install OS/2 on the machine in question.


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com

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From: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 19:28:13
  To: Dave Davidson                                     30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Dave Davidson,

28-Oct-99 19:20:21, Dave Davidson wrote to Andy Roberts
 DD> 26-Oct-99 23:36:50, Andy Roberts wrote to Ian Moote
 AR> 26-Oct-99 12:40:00, Ian Moote wrote to ANDY ROBERTS
 AR> Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>>>> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b"
 AR>>>> FAT32 partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is
 AR>>>> similar to a type "F" partition.

 IM>>> I've got a utility here that I wrote for DOS which will blast
 IM>>> the entire MBR off the drive. Send me your E-Mail address.

 DD> Can ya send it to _ME_ as well.

I haven't received that util yet either.

 DD> I'm the one Andy is trying to help. The two drives currently in that
 DD> machine in question are Segate 4.3GB and a Western Digital 2.5GB. The
 DD> Seagate drive is the one that poses the greatest problem as it refuses
 DD> to allow Bootmanager to be installed, and will allow OS/2's FDISK to
 DD> delete partitions, but not create any.

OS/2's FDISK did not delete the type "b" FAT32 partition.  It did try to
delete it, but when you went back into FDISK again after a reboot, then the
type "b" FAT32 partition was back again.  Thus there was no available free
space to create any other partition nor install Boot Manager.  At least that
is what I gathered from our voice conversation.

 AR>>>> BTW, as far as the 10.3 GB HD is concerned, he did say he got
 AR>>>> the >8GB drivers and made an updated set of OS/2 install
 AR>>>> diskettes

 AR>> No, Idedasd.Exe

 DD> The 10.3GB drive is also a Seagate and is also the one that
 DD> received the low level format, which didn't help. The IDEDASD.EXE
 DD> was added to the OS/2 install disk set.

Humm...  That is a self-extracting archive IDEDASD.EXE contains:
IBM1S506.ADD
IBMATAPI.FLT
IBMIDECD.FLT
IDEDASD.DDP
OS2DASD.DMD
README.TXT

On the updated set of install floppies, you do not put IDEDASD.EXE, but rather
the 5 replacement files, it contains.  See the ReadMe.Txt for details.

 DD> FWIW, when the 10.3GB drive was being used, it was the ONLY drive
 DD> in the system and is recognized by the BIOS on boot-up. Each of
 DD> the three drives were used as single drives in an attempt to get
 DD> OS/2 to load. All three show a Type B partition when OS/2's FDISK
 DD> starts. When it is deleted, FDISK will _NOT_ allow me to create
 DD> any partitions after the Type B partition is deleted.

Last I heard you hadn't found anything that would delete the type "b"
partition.  Don't be fooled by FDISK trying to delete it until you go back
into FDISK again after a reboot, to see if it really did delete it.

You'll need to LLF all 3 of those HDs to be able to use them with OS/2.

 AR>>>> He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then
 AR>>>> running Seagate's Low Level Format.

 IM>>> I haven't used the latest incarnation of SGATFMT*; does it have
 IM>>> a "non-destructive format" option that was used?

 DD> The Seagate format utility I used was destructive. There were at
 DD> least two warnings I had to acknowlege before it would actually
 DD> start the process, which with the 10.3GB drive, took almost 12
 DD> hours!

Small penalty in time for using M$ to begin with. <g>

 AR>> I haven't used it in many years.  But he said he used it.

 DD> Hehehe, I did!

If it were me doing the work, then I would run the Low Level Format again.
And DO NOT install any M$ OS on that HD after that, until OS/2 is installed.

 AR>>>> In the process he has tried to delete that FAT32 partition with
 AR>>>> Linux, DOS 6.2, and Partition Magic.

 IM>>> None of those worked!?

 AR>> That was my understanding.  After each, OS/2 FDISK still would
 AR>> not let him create Boot Manager due to a lack of free space and
 AR>> had 1 type "b" partition that consumed almost the whole HD.  But
 AR>> I didn't do the work.  So there may be other circumstances.

 AR>>>> In typical M$ user fashion he repeats those last steps 1/2 a
 AR>>>> dozen times until he becomes frustrated and blames OS/2, then
 AR>>>> re-installs Win98.

 DD> Correction.... I didn't _blame_ OS/2, I simply stated it wouldn't
 DD> load on my system. Since I've successfully loaded OS/2 on other
 DD> machines I had, there obviously has to be something else causing
 DD> the problem. The question is what!

I know exactly what the problem is.  You installed WIN95 OSR2 on each of those
HDs which created a type "b" FAT32 partition which consumes all the space.
Delete that and your problem will be solved.

But don't expect OS/2 FDISK to be able to delete the type "b" FAT32 partition,
because OS/2 was released before FAT32 existed, so OS/2 does not know how to
deal with it.

 DD> The reason for wanting to install OS/2 is simple.... The BBS
 DD> System I'm using simply isn't up to the task I want to do with a
 DD> BBS. AdeptXBBS however, is. So, I need to get OS/2 setup so I can
 DD> run Adept. Simple as that.

'Out of the frying pan and into the fire.'

 IM>>> In order to remove all partitions from the drive, simply zero
 IM>>> all the values from 01BEh to 01FDh. Personally, I think you
 IM>>> should get rid of that Windows MBR entirely by zeroing out
 IM>>> everything from 0000h to 01FFh.

 AR>> Yes, I agree getting rid of the whole MBR seems best.  And with
 AR>> those addresses it should be easy.

 DD> Maybe for you guys it is easy. However, my knowledge of hard drive
 DD> geometry is about equal to my knowledge of rocket science. <g> I
 DD> can install 'em, format 'em, do simple diagnostics, etc. but
 DD> that's it.

Load Norton's diskedit.exe from a DOS floppy boot.  You'll see it is not that
hard to edit those addresses.

Or look for that msg with the debug procedure, which should do the same thing.

 AR>>>> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level
 AR>>>> Format prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.

 IM>>> As am I.

 DD> That's one of the reasons why the frustration level rose so high.
 DD> Unless I'm not doing something properly, I've followed _all_ the
 DD> suggestions and instructions provided.

Only think I can think of is that since you did the work off and on over a
period of time, that maybe after you ran the LLF, then you installed WinXX
again, before you tried to install OS/2.  In that sequence you would have
fixed the problem with the LLF, but created the same problem again with WinXX,
before OS/2 ever got a chance to use the clean HD.

I think you have re-installed WinXX so many times, that you subconsciously
think that is the ultimate solution to every problem.  In this case I am
trying to tell you that M$ is not the solution and caused the problem.

2 things I have doubts about: 1.) that the LLF doesn't work.  2.) that M$ came
up with some way to prevent the type "b" partition (or partition table or MBR)
from being deleted by all the other methods that have been suggested.

 DD> Maybe, just maybe, someone will be able to unlock the secret that
 DD> will permit me to install OS/2 on the machine in question.

Read all the msgs in this Subj thread.  I think I Forwarded at least 3-4 of
them to you via netmail.  There have been at least 3 different ways other than
LLF, suggested to accomplish the same end result.  Well almost the same.  The
other methods only deal with the partition table or MBR.  The LLF should clean
the whole HD, which is much better if you ever use CHKDSK /f3 or some 3rd
party util to recover deleted files.

It might help if you get a safe with a timed delay combination lock, set to
not open for at least 30 days.  Then put all your various WinXX install CDs in
the safe and lock it.  Then run the LLF, then install OS/2.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: August Abolins                                    29-Oct-99 18:32:00
  To: all                                               30-Oct-99 05:23:17
Subj: 2 Adaptec SCSI's compatible?

I was thinking of adding an Agfa SnapScan 1236s (SCSI) scanner to a long-time
old 486dx2-50 (32meg), Warp 3 redspine (no fixpaks) system.  The PC already
features a Soundblaster 16 SCSI-2 card which features an Adaptec
AHA-15xxSomething, which  controls the SCSI cdrom unit.

The scanner comes along with a SCSI card.  It apparently is an Adaptec
AVA-1505.

Does anyone know if this combination of dual host adapters may not be
compatible?


 .aa.

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From: Murray Lesser                                     30-Oct-99 06:32:02
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 06:32:02
Subj: Presentation Manager

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-25-99, George White to Eddy Thilleman;
original topic: LINUX):

Hi Eddy--

 ET> I thought PM (program manager) is the window manager?

GW>PM (_Presentation_ Manager) is the underlying graphical support
  >system. If you are a programmer, all the basic graphical and window
  >management calls are to the PM subsystem and are documented in the
  >Presentation Manager .inf file (document).

    According to "The Design of OPS/2" by Deitel and Kogan (ISBN
0-201-54889-5), now out of print:  "The PM was introduced in OS/2
version 1.1; it is a graphical user interface used in all subsequent
OS/2 releases" (p 266).  "The API is divided into two functional groups:
the _windows_API_ and the_graphics_API_.  The Windows API was derived
from the windowing architecture of _Microsoft_Windows_" (p 268).

    The WPS is an object-oriented application that runs in a PM session.
"The workplace shell can be configured to look like the DOS shell, the
Windows user interface, or the OS/2 1.x desktop manager, to ease user
migration" (p 267). 

GW>Program Manager is a Windows thing...

    Since I've never done Windows, I wouldn't know about Program
Manager!

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
___
 * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Never send a PM program to do a text-mode job

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Oct-99 21:12:09
  To: Sean Dennis                                       30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Weird windows...

Hello Sean,

25 Oct 99 16:11, Sean Dennis wrote to All:

SD> For some weird reason, when I open my VIO windows, they all come up
SD> minimized... I have to maximize them to be able to see them
SD> completely.  I've checked the properties of the 'main' window object
SD> in the Command Prompts folder in OS/2 System and all looks well.  Any
SD> suggestions?

The only thing I can think of now is that you somehow made the minimized state 
the default for all windowed sessions, if that's the case then I think this
should cure it: open one windowed session, make sure it is not minimized, then 
doubleclick on the titlebar. The doubleclick on the titlebar saves the 'state' 
(='minimized' or 'normal' or 'maximized') and the position of the upper left
corner, which becomes the new default for all windowed textmode sessions.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... It's dangerous to do the right thing the wrong way
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Oct-99 21:28:19
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Questions Again ,-)

Hello Linda,

25 Oct 99 22:45, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson:

LP>> Is there a program like Winspeaker for OS/2?

I don't know and I don't care. :)

LP> An MS Win 3 program that makes programs think that there is a sound
LP> card installed & those programs play their wavs/sounds accordingly,
LP> but thru the computer speaker.

And the CPU has to do the work to play the sound through the speaker.

A soundcard is a much better choice. There are cheap soundcards that are
supported under OS/2.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... I ate a dozen oysters but only nine worked.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Oct-99 21:58:18
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: window managers

Hello Jonathan,

25 Oct 99 10:35, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

JP> Just to clear up any confusion, here are some definitions:

Thanks for the clarification.

I haven't done any graphical OS/2 (=PM-, WPS-) programming so I find it
difficult to remember all this. I have it saved, so I can read it again.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... Windows Error #0001: Windows loaded. System in danger!
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Oct-99 22:03:16
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Hello Linda,

25 Oct 99 13:38, Linda Proulx wrote to Holger Granholm:

HG>> First thing is that you do have the same settings in the OS/2
HG>> autoexec.bat that are required in the DOS autoexec.bat.

autoexec.bat is solely used by the DOS environment, startup.cmd fulfills that
role in the OS/2 environment.

LP> Can a batch file be made that starts the DOS program with the settings
LP> needed and quits when the program quits?  Eg, the only time a driver
LP> is used but don't want it to take envirionment space always.

You can set an other batchfile to autoexecute in the DOS setting
"DOS_AUTOEXEC", for each object that starts a DOS program / DOS environment
independent. Setup the autoexec.bat on the OS/2 boot partition for the needs
of your most DOS programs, and use other batchfiles pointed to by the
"DOS_AUTOEXEC" DOS setting of each DOS object that have special needs. You can 
finetune the other DOS settings too. You can also save and restore DOS
settings, so you don't have to set all the DOS settings by hand again when the 
WPS object lost its DOS settings or when the WPS object was lost and a new one 
was created to replace the lost WPS object.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... When DOS grows up it wants to be OS/2!
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From: Jack Stein                                        28-Oct-99 17:40:21
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: File Systems

Mike Ruskai wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 AR>While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
 >can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.
  
 JS> uses.  If I recall correctly, HPFS generally takes about 7 megs of
 JS> space for whatever it is doing, I don't know what FAT uses, but to me,
 JS> that would be the only issue.   

<snip>
 MR> So, for a 100MB ZIP disk, HPFS would be using about the
 MR> following: 

 MR> 1,021,605 bytes for the directory band
 MR>    26,624 bytes for freespace bitmaps
 MR>    51,200 bytes for hotfix sectors
 MR>    10,240 bytes for structures at beginning
 MR>     4,096 bytes for bitmap and hotfix lists
 MR> ----------
 MR> 1,113,765 bytes total

Thanks Mike, that was a lot of good and interesting info I don't believe I've
seen before.  A definite save to my HPFS.txt file.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        28-Oct-99 17:43:28
  To: Dan Egli                                          30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Registration

Dan Egli wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> I never registered OS/2, didn't know you could?  It's not shareware?

 DE> Register as in the registration cards that come with so many
 DE> progams now days. It's basically telling the author(s) that
 DE> you have their program and are using it. Not a regsitration
 DE> for use, registration for curtesy bascially. 

Oh, that kind of registration...  I have a ton of those cards laying around,
never get around to sending in that stuff, I figure they know I bought there
program when the money flows out of my pocket, into their pocket:-)

                                              Jack 
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Oct-99 00:05:11
  To: David Noon                                        30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Computer History

David Noon wrote in a message to Leonard Erickson:

 DS> (Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter data
 DS> into computers)

LE>Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
LE>mainframe.

 DN> That was, of course, the paper tape bootstrap so that the disk 
 DN> bootstrap could be read through the paper tape reader on the 
 DN> side of the ASR 33 TTY that was used as a system console. I was 
 DN> still a mere slip of a boy the last time I did that.

How about _typing_ in the boot code for a PDP-11/03 to get it to load the
absolute loader paper tape which could then be used to load some other paper
tape (like BASIC ferinstance)...

Does that count?  :-)

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From: Ian Moote                                         29-Oct-99 22:07:00
  To: LEONARD ERICKSON                                  30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: File Systems

LE> IM> OS/2 keeps track of long filenames on removable FAT drives. I
LE> IM> just double-checked: I had a file on floppy named "JIM". I
LE> IM> renamed it, using  WPS, to "Jimbo a-logo!.blobbo.txt". Checking
LE> IM> on my DOS laptop, the  filename is now "JIMBO_A-.TXT", but it
LE> IM> still comes up as "Jimbo a-logo.blobbo.txt" on OS/2. [:)
LE>
LE> That's nice. I'd like to be able to go one step farther and assign a
LE> *specific* shortname to a file without losing the long name. Even if
LE> it used up another directory entry. Then we'd be able to keep old
LE> programs happy indefinitely and still use long filenames.

Well, you can do that too. Sorta. [:)

Apply the long file name in WPS, then drop to a command line (DOS or 
OS/2) and rename the file. WPS will keep the long "file name". The 
problem, of course, is that if you change the long file name then you'd 
have to go back down to a command prompt and change the name back to the 
short name that you want it to have.

If you planned it correctly, you could probably combine both at the WPS 
level. Use the eight-character "short" file name as the first eight 
characters of the long file name -- problem "solved". [;) (I don't think 
that would work in all cases, though, as I've had problems with long 
filenames before. Directory names would be a problem, I think.)

I do see what you're saying, though, and I do agree.

Take care and TTYL.

---
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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: long lines

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> Golded/2 is an offline fido message reader/editor, not part of a BBS.
 ET> You don't need a BBS to use Golded, I don't have a BBS and I use
 ET> Golded. It supports messagebase formats of a few BBS-programs but there
 ET> is need to use them if you don't have them.

Golded support msgbase without BBS?

 ET> some text from various file-id.diz files:

Nice.

 ET> All of them support copy & paste in one way or another (text mode
 ET> programs automatically because that is built into the windowed
 ET> session).

It is not that this way in fullscreen. I like fs or PM.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... He isnt dead; He's electroencephalographically challenged

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> I haven't used nftp, I use wget to get files from internet

NFTP 1.53 works well with emx9d but NFTP 1.41 dont.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... Bagpipe: A flute built to government specifications.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: help please?

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> 16 Oct 99 03:48, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 RB> 800x600 is too small, 1024x768 is small but better...

 ET> then you need at least a good 17 inch monitor.

& a video mode of 2000x1600? 8) SDD supports it well.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... Windows. It could happen to you. <g>

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Need OS/2

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> It's crucial for a mainboard that the BIOS is upgradeable (flash-ROM
 ET> makes it possible to upgrade the BIOS with a downloadable BIOS file and
 ET> an appropriate program).

Old. 8)

 ET> for such a processor, I think a mainboard from 1997 is too old.
 ET> the mainboard must have the slot the processor fits in.
 ET> the mainboard must support the voltage levels the processor uses.
 ET> make sure the mainboard is suitable for the processor you want.

Thanks, Eddy.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... "I'm a lawyer." "Honest?" "No, the usual kind."

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Why is this?

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> ask / email BMT Micro for more information

Good idea!

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... *    <- Tribble     /*\  <- Tribble on crutches

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> I have used dfsee only a few times and only to look at how the HPFS is
 ET> structured. I don't have the time to study it to explain it, but even
 ET> when I've time I find it difficult to use dfsee.

Hmmm... Out of question.

 ET> maybe some sort of a bank exchange? but it can be different in each
 ET> country, I don't know what the possibilities are for you.

The fear is the number of cc being get by some cracker.

Softs about cripto dont run here, at least until now.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... where law ends, tyranny begins

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: faxworks

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> Not from a file, printing or typing (text) to it

But & clipboard? I dont tried it.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... I need Windows like a hemophiliac needs heart surgery!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

 LE> That's another problem. :-)

Yeah. :)

 LE> First you need to find a synch card, then you need to find/write a
 LE> driver.

Hmmm... I am programmer but I am not a guru. 8)

 LE> A CSU/DSU isn't a modem. It's *digital* interface, not an analog one.
 LE> These are old and fairly obsolete. They're intended for leased lines
 LE> or possibly the old "switched 56k" service.

Neat. Others options?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... Telecommuncations -- A bit far fetched.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: John Angelico                                     30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: faxworks

 JA> Tony & Rodrigo, please check the online docs and if necessary
 JA> uninstall and re-install. I used the Lite version for quite a while to
 JA> fax out before buying the FaxWorks Pro version.

Nice. But what the most recent version?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... Ignorance killed the cat. Curiosity was framed.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Jan Deboer                                        30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Questions...

 JD> Is that a typo for LaserCommander? Sounds like a Norton Commander
 JD> style manager. Thanks for the info - I'll look for it, although, at
 JD> least for now, File Freedom has made me quite happy!

No, it is typo for LarsenCommander. NC is weak compared with it.

http://home.sol.no/~leilarse/lcmd/index.html
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/shell/lcmd0981.zip

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:25
  To: Andy Roberts                                      30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

 AR> Humm.. I run FC/2 after loading with BootOS2, which is text mode.

Nice. I will get it.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... "I am Homer the Borg!  Prepare to be...OOooooo!  Taglines!"

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 05:14:26
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 07:34:08
Subj: Msg Reader

 * Crossposted from: OS2BBS

What are the options about msg reader?

Multimail/2 & KWQ/2 are off already.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

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From: Peter Knapper                                     30-Oct-99 21:57:29
  To: August Abolins                                    30-Oct-99 12:32:18
Subj: 2 Adaptec SCSI's compatible?

Hi August,

 AA> I was thinking of adding an Agfa SnapScan 1236s (SCSI) 
 AA> scanner to a long-time old 486dx2-50 (32meg), Warp 3 
 AA> redspine (no fixpaks) system.  The PC already features 
 AA> a Soundblaster 16 SCSI-2 card which features an Adaptec 
 AA> AHA-15xxSomething, which  controls the SCSI cdrom unit.

 AA> The scanner comes along with a SCSI card.  It 
 AA> apparently is an Adaptec AVA-1505.

 AA> Does anyone know if this combination of dual host 
 AA> adapters may not be compatible?

I can't specifically answer for the AVA-1505 HA, I have never seen one,
however I have run an Adaptec 1540 and an Adaptec 1520 together in the same
machine without problems. These boards use different chipsets and have
different drivers so may not present the exact same scenario you mention,
however I know that in the case of the 1520 and 1540 drivers, a single driver
allows you to run multiple HA's (if they use the same SCSI chipset). See the
online help for the 152x driver and you will find a /A:n parameter to
indicates which BOARD to address, so provided you can avoid any adddressing
issues, then I dont see why you should have any trouble running multiple
Adaptec controllers in the one machine. 

From memory the limit on cards per driver is 4 and it defaults to only looking 
for /A:0, you MUST specify the others if they exist, but you may need to check 
on that.

I hope this helps.........pk.


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From: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 21:38:12
  To: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             30-Oct-99 12:32:18
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Torsten Balle Koefoed,

27-Oct-99 21:39:58, Torsten Balle Koefoed wrote to Andy Roberts
 TBK> Replying to a message of Andy Roberts to All:
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then
 AR>> running Seagate's Low Level Format.  In the process he has tried
 AR>> to delete that FAT32 partition with Linux, DOS 6.2, and Partition
 AR>> Magic.  After all that OS/2 FDISK still shows the type "b"
 AR>> partition, and will not allow him to use create a Boot Manager
 AR>> nor create any partition, because the only free space he has (if
 AR>> any) is at the very end of the HD.  When he deletes the partition
 AR>> all options become greyed-out. Then he reboots with the install
 AR>> floppies and goes back into FDISK again, the type "b" partition
 AR>> is back again.

 TBK> Just one simple question: Did he remember to "Save changes"
 TBK> before exiting FDISK

Yes, he did, at least the time he ran FDISK while I was on the phone.

Still I think FDISK is a miner problem compared to LLF supposedly not working.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 21:56:00
  To: Gord Hannah                                       30-Oct-99 12:32:18
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Gord Hannah,

28-Oct-99 18:12:34, Gord Hannah wrote to Andy Roberts
 GH> Replying to a message from Andy Roberts 1:109/921.1 to Ian Moote,
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 IM>> And you're forcing him to use OS/2 because...

 AR>> LOL... No I told him over a year ago I didn't think OS/2 was for
 AR>> him.  He just gets a wild hair up his butt every few months, then
 AR>> pulls Linux or OS/2 off the shelf and goes through that silly
 AR>> cycle again, always ending up with M$.

 GH> We gotta give him credit for being persistent and consistent..;-)

I've found the best way to get Dave Davidson to do something that he has
failed at, is to tell him it can be done, but HE can't do it. <g>

 GH> He does indeed like to play with his systems, we have been kidding
 GH> him for years regarding this haven't we?

IMO it is all just a game to him.  The thrill of the challenge.

 GH> And his grasp of the whole thing in general is exceptional

I think he knows what's up.  As a SysOp and beta tester for 1/2 a dozen prgms
during the last decade, he has done very well.  But like the rest of us old
timers, I'm not so sure he can still remember it all at once.  I asked him
last week end if he had re-read all my previous msgs about installing OS/2.
He said: "Yeah, all 5000 of them."  Of course at that time I didn't know he
had come up with this new M$ related problem.  Leave it to Dave to find a
problem that 99% of the rest of us don't have.  I still can't figure why LLF
didn't solve the problem.

 GH> I sure wish he would rid himself of the M$ Virus. <chuckle>

A while back I told him to bury all his WinXX install CDs 6 feet deep and then
put a plaque on top that says: "Now I can rest in peace!"

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 22:38:20
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    30-Oct-99 12:32:18
Subj: Re: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Charles Gaefke,

26-Oct-99 12:06:55, Charles Gaefke wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: Re: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward
 AR>> to him to do.

 CG> It sounds like the OS/2 IDE drivers are at fault.  I've seen this
 CG> type of problem when OS/2 can not read the drive properly.

 CG> In fact, I had this problem when trying to install Warp 4 GA right
 CG> after it was released.  IBM Tech had no clue what was wrong.

 CG> A couple fixpacks later they officially released a patch for
 CG> reading IDE drives on secondary channels.

Now that's an interesting twist.  But I think he tried each of those 3 HDs 1
at a time, which implies it should have been on the primary channel.  I'll
Forward your msg to him just in case.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 22:51:15
  To: Ian Moote                                         30-Oct-99 12:32:18
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Ian Moote,

29-Oct-99 07:04:00, Ian Moote wrote to ANDY ROBERTS
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 IM>>> ">8GB drivers"? For the Winodows you mean?

 AR>> No, Idedasd.Exe

 IM> Oh -- IDE! Fergot about that. Sorry. I'm spoiled. (SCSI. [;)

I know exactly what you mean.  I bought an IDE several years ago in an
emergency.  Now it sits at the end of a stack of 3 SCSI HDs watching them do
all the work.  And it's not just this problem, but a lot of problems in other
msg threads have to do with IDE.

 IM>>> And you're forcing him to use OS/2 because...

 AR>> LOL... No I told him over a year ago I didn't think OS/2 was for
 AR>> him.  He just gets a wild hair up his butt every few months, then
 AR>> pulls Linux or OS/2 off the shelf and goes through that silly
 AR>> cycle again, always ending up with M$.

 IM> Oh -- one of _those_ guys. [:)

-<snip>-
 IM> Then the complaints started. "I can't run this." "I can't run
 IM> that."

When I hear that kind of stuff, I either recommend what I do run here, or post
a File_ID.diz of some similar prgm.  And I tell the game player to go to M$ if
they want to turn their Pentium into a Nitindo.

 IM> "Why can't I run Adobe?" Because it's Windows software. You don't
 IM> expect OS/2 software to run under Windows, why would you expect
 IM> Windows software to run under OS/2? "Why can't I run Doom? It's
 IM> DOS!" You can run Doom, you just need to tweak it a bit. OS/2 is
 IM> far more user-configurable than Windows. Look at Duke Nukem -- it
 IM> runs fine! "OS/2 won't read this web site!" No... _Netscape_ won't
 IM> read this website. That has nothing to do with OS/2. "OS/2 won't
 IM> let me listen to this *.AU file!!" No, again this has nothing to
 IM> do with OS/2. "But there isn't a RealPlayer for OS/2! OS/2
 IM> sucks!!" OS/2 sucks because RealPlayer doesn't have OS/2 software?
 IM> RealPlayer tells you that as an OS/2 user you are not important so
 IM> you blame OS/2?

I installed RealPlayer on Win-OS/2 to catch the live WarpStock99 stuff.  On a
P200i with 64MB RAM and a 49333 connection, I was not impressed.  It works,
but it is not high resolution nor 30FPS nor even clear continuous sound.

The only thing from Adobe that I ever used or wanted to use is Acrobat.

 IM> So then he comes up with an idea. He figgers he needs to get some
 IM> experience with other operating systems. [;))) He's going to
 IM> install Linux and SCO and Win'95 all on the same machine. Yeah,
 IM> sure, buddy.

Now that fits Dave Davidson to a tee.

 IM> In goes the Win'95, out goes the OS/2. It's two computers later and he's
 IM> running Win'98 and there's still no sign of a Linux install in the
 IM> works!! [;D

At least Dave Davidson did get Linux installed (temporarily), before he
decided he wanted to play with WinNT.  I think he has collected every version
of every OS that will run on a PC.  But actually learning how to get the most
out of Linux or OS/2, that's another story.

 IM> I've been hearing about it ever since, though. "Hey, Ian. I'm
 IM> sending you this *.AU file. Ohhhhh -- you can't listen to those,
 IM> can you!?" Or, "What happened -- Netscape lock your OS/2 solid
 IM> again?"

Here my machine and even NetScape has been so solid that nobody has a chance
to get a dig at me.

I think I'm going to try for the record of having an OS installed and running
24x7 for the most years without ever needing to re-install.  You could try
throwing something like that back at your buddy. <g>

 IM> The utility's on the way.

I'll be looking for it, and so will Dave Davidson.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 23:33:20
  To: Holger Granholm                                   30-Oct-99 12:32:18
Subj: Warp 3 install

 Holger Granholm,

27-Oct-99 20:43:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Andy Roberts
 HG> In a message dated 10-25-99, Andy Roberts said to Holger Granholm:
          Subject: Warp 3 install

 HG>>> Just did connect to sun.com.  The CD is 9.95 and the S/H is
 HG>>> $6.00-25.00.  I bet they would charge me the highest cost.

 AR>> If it is only $6, then go that way.  $16 total is a good price.

 HG> I agree, $6 is acceptable (so would even $9 as Walnut Creek
 HG> charged) for S/H but I heard from Russell Tiedt i South Africa
 HG> that it had become much more expensive than that.

 HG> That's why I said that they would probably charge me the maximum.
 HG> There wasn't any mention on the web page that you could choose the
 HG> way it would be delivered.

 HG> I'll go deeper and check if I can choose the delivery cost before
 HG> committing to an order.

Let me know what you decide to do.  I have not had time to D/L them yet.

 AR>> My problem is that every time I D/L a whole set, they promptly
 AR>> upgrade and I'm back to where I started.

 HG> Well, I don't upgrade anything that works if I can avoid it. My
 HG> motto is: "If it works, don't fix it!" <BG>

All versions of SO have worked fine for me.  I think this latest version adds
more filters.

 HG> Still running DOS programs from 1988 like the previously mentioned
 HG> BOTH.

LOL.. strange you should mention BOTH.  I very recently opened that up again,
having used it many years ago.  I was looking for a quick way to add blank
spaces for a left margin.

                 Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                              andy@shentel.net
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From: Peter French                                      30-Oct-99 08:37:00
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  30-Oct-99 08:37:00
Subj: File Systems

On 1999/10/28, Leonard Erickson wrote to Ian Moote on message number 766;

LE>  -=> Quoting Ian Moote to LEONARD ERICKSON <=-

LE> That's nice. I'd like to be able to go one step farther and assign a
LE> *specific* shortname to a file without losing the long name.

  Would it help if you renamed the file in the traditional 8.3 way - this
would satisfy the DOS appls., then run the following REXX script using the
convention: PUTLONG myfil.ext "Long File Name"

  /* This procedure will change the long name of   */
  /* a file without changing the actual file name. */
  /* Usage:                                        */
  /*    PUTLONG myfil.ext "Long File Name"         */
  /* Written by Bill Parrill                       */
  /* bparrill@vnet.ibm.com                         */

  call RxFuncAdd 'SysPutEA', 'RexxUtil', 'SysPutEA'

  parse arg FileName '"'LongName'"'

  if FileName = '' then DO
     say 'Please specify a file name!'
     exit 1
     end  /* Do */

  if LongName = '' then DO
     say 'Please specify a long name!'
     exit 2
     end  /* Do */

  say 'File Name: 'FileName
  say 'Long Name: 'LongName
  RetCode = SysPutEA(FileName, '.LONGNAME',,
                     'FDFF'x||D2C(LENGTH(LongName))||'00'x||LongName)
  say 'Return Code: 'RetCode

  EXIT


___
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  30-Oct-99 00:09:00
  To: David Noon                                        30-Oct-99 16:14:28
Subj: Computer History

 -=> Quoting David Noon to Leonard Erickson <=-

 DN> In a message dated 10-23-99, Leonard Erickson said to Dirk Stuijfzand
 DN> about "Computer History"

 DN> Hi Leonard,
 
 DS> (Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter data
 DS> into computers)
 
 LE>Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
 LE>mainframe.

 DN> That was, of course, the paper tape bootstrap so that the disk
 DN> bootstrap could be read through the paper tape reader on the side of
 DN> the ASR 33 TTY that was used as a system console. I was still a mere
 DN> slip of a boy the last time I did that.

No, this was on old Honeywell system. you entered the *octal* codes at
at the proper addresses then I forget where it read the boot routines
from, I think it was a Tape, but it might have been a disk pack. I
heard that some systems had to boot from the card reader <shudder>



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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Oct-99 10:09:23
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  30-Oct-99 16:14:28
Subj: File Systems

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 LE> At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95 style
 LE> long file names. 

 PK> NO!!! We certainly DONT want a kludge like that thank-you!

 LE> Admittedly, it's a kludge. But it's also *common*, which
 LE> means we need to be able to import and export it.

 LE> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware. 
 LE> Netware creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* 
 LE> access such files. The problem is that the name is neither 
 LE> predictable nor "settable" (at least in my version of Netware). 

 LE> By "settable", I mean that I can't assign a *specific* 8.3 name 
 LE> to a file *and* keep the long name. Something like the Unix 
 LE> trick of pointing multiple directory entries at the same name 
 LE> would be the best answer. I forget what the Unix command is. 

They're called links.  "Hard" links are simply multiple directory entries
pointing at the same file,  and all must reside on the same filesystem. 
"Symbolic" links,  on the other hand,  can go across filesystems.  The "rm"
command simply removes a link,  and does _not_ delete the file unless there
are no other links still in place.

This would require a link count field to be present in the directory info for
the file,  meaning a bit of redesign of the filesystem,  but it can't be
*that* hard to do.

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From: Ian Moote                                         30-Oct-99 12:25:00
  To: DAVE DAVIDSON                                     30-Oct-99 16:14:28
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

DD> IM>> I've got a utility here that I wrote for DOS which will blast
DD> IM>> the entire MBR off the drive. Send me your E-Mail address.
DD>
DD> Can ya send it to _ME_ as well. I'm the one Andy is trying to help.

On its way. I nearly missed this -- it was addressed to Andy. [:)


DD> The two drives currently in that machine in question are Segate
DD> 4.3GB and a Western Digital 2.5GB.

Be _very_ careful! If you clear the wrong MBR then you're SNAFU'd. I'll 
also send you another two utilities to save and restore your MBR's in 
case you accidentally do the wrong one.


DD> The Seagate drive is the one that
DD> poses the greatest problem as it refuses to allow Bootmanager to be
DD> installed, and will allow OS/2's FDISK to delete partitions, but not
DD> create any.

According to Andy's report, FDisk _isn't_ deleting the partitions. 
According to him, when you reboot the FAT32 partition is still there. 
So, is is still there when you reboot?


DD> AR>>> He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then
DD> AR>>> running Seagate's Low Level Format.
DD>
DD> IM>> I haven't used the latest incarnation of SGATFMT*; does it have
DD> IM>> a "non-destructive format" option that was used?
DD>
DD> The Seagate format utility I used was destructive. There were at
DD> least two warnings I had to acknowlege before it would actually
DD> start the process, which with the 10.3GB drive, took almost 12
DD> hours!

Really! Gee, I'd like to get my hands on this drive for an afternoon.


DD> AR>>> In typical M$ user fashion he repeats those last steps 1/2 a
DD> AR>>> dozen times until he become frustrated and blames OS/2, then
DD> AR>>> re-installs Win98.
DD>
DD> Correction.... I didn't _blame_ OS/2, I simply stated it wouldn't
DD> load on my system.

What!? [8o You mean Andy is colouring his report of your problem which 
his own preconceptions/assumptions!? I'm shocked! [;*)


DD> Since I've successfully loaded OS/2 on other
DD> machines I had, there obviously has to be something else causing the
DD> problem. The question is what!

Andy reported that FDisk was not removing the FAT32 partition. You're 
the one running the software, does FDisk say that the partition is still 
there or not? How much free space is it reporting?


DD> IM>> Sounds like he's in Micro$oft's target market.
DD>
DD> AR>>> Personally I'm getting very tired of hearing him complain
DD> AR>>> about OS/2 not installing and how wonderful the M$
DD> AR>>> installation is.
DD>
DD> Not how wonderful MS is just the fact that is does install easier
DD> that OS/2 does, even on a "perfect" system.

What?! [8o You mean Andy is colouring his report of your situation!? I'm 
shocked! [;*) Andy seems to be a very knowledgable fellow, but he seems 
to take it very personal if you aren't running the same hardware and 
software in exactly the way that he is.

There is no such thing as a "perfect" system. In my experience Windows 
9x installs very well on an "acceptable" system. (That's "acceptable" 
from the point of view of the average, non-technical consumer. No 
offense intended.) It even installs very well on a fairly low-quality 
system. OS/2 does not seem to install very well on many "acceptable" 
systems, but does install very well on a system of higher quality.


DD> That I do... I've always appreciated your friendship, help and
DD> advice. I think you know that as well.

You're a very easy-going fellow, Dave! If a friend of mine had used me 
in public the way he did you, he wouldn't be my friend for very long. 
OTOH, if it doesn't bother you then you have a very complementary 
relationship.


DD> IM>> Once he _does_ get it installed, who do you think he's going to
DD> IM>> call whenever he has a problem with his OS/2 system? [:)
DD>
DD> Obviously, I'll call Andy, <g>

What are friends for? [:)


DD> The reason for wanting to install OS/2 is simple.... The BBS System
DD> I'm using simply isn't up to the task I want to do with a BBS.
DD> AdeptXBBS however, is.

Who told you that? Andy!? Have you actually _seen_ Adept running? If 
not, I think you should get yourself over to Andy's and have him give 
you a demonstration, if he hasn't already.

I'm using Adept. So far, if I had to describe it in one word that word 
would be "fantastic", but that doesn't mean that it's ideal for you.

JOOC, what BBS are you using now and what are the shortcomings?


DD> Maybe for you guys it is easy. However, my knowledge of hard drive
DD> geometry is about equal to my knowledge of rocket science. <g> I can
DD> install 'em, format 'em, do simple diagnostics, etc. but that's it.

[:D Well, you're more knowledgable and experienced than the average!! 
[;) The utility makes it easy.


DD> That's one of the reasons why the frustration level rose so high.
DD> Unless I'm not doing something properly, I've followed _all_ the
DD> suggestions and instructions provided.

You may not be doing anything wrong at all. You may just have a weird 
problem. Try the utility.


DD> Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
DD>                                      dad500@aol.com

Uh... I'll use your "primary.net" address.

Take care and TTYL.

---
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From: Ian Moote                                         30-Oct-99 12:25:00
  To: ANDY ROBERTS                                      30-Oct-99 16:14:28
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

AR> DD> Can ya send it to _ME_ as well.
AR>
AR> I haven't received that util yet either.

Your E-Mail host refused the connection. This is part of what I got from 
my host:


This is a MIME-encapsulated message

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The original message was received at Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:08:16 -0400 (EDT)
from dial216.nas.net [199.243.225.216]

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Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
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Final-Recipient: RFC822; andy@shentel.com
Action: delayed
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AR> But don't expect OS/2 FDISK to be able to delete the type "b" FAT32
AR> partition, because OS/2 was released before FAT32 existed, so OS/2
AR> does not know how to deal with it.

??? Do you know something about this "type b" partition that I don't? 
Why do you think that OS/2 won't delete it?


AR> It might help if you get a safe with a timed delay combination lock,
AR> set to not open for at least 30 days.  Then put all your various
AR> WinXX install CDs in the safe and lock it.  Then run the LLF, then
AR> install OS/2.

[:DDD At least you know something of human nature!! [:D

Take care.

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From: Will Honea                                        30-Oct-99 14:59:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      30-Oct-99 14:59:00
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

Albert Sodyl wrote to WILL HONEA on 10-18-1999

AS> Well thanks a lot, I'll keep that in mind, it actually took me
AS> over 1 hour restoring my 200 megs from floppies after formatting
AS> with HPFS. 

You get no sympathy from me today.  I spent all night recovering 5
Warp Server setups that or LAN Admin had been, shall we say, lax about
maintaining.  I also re-learned a lesson about fixpaks the hard way.

As a reminder to everyone:  the instructions for applying fixpaks
include an admonition to run chkdsk before applying.  DO IT!  Scenario
was that we had to deploy an application update which ran against these
5 servers.  New app server code crashed and then I discovered that the
admin worked under the philosophy that 'never fixpak a working
machine'.  Hence, 5 Warp Server Advanced SMP installations still at GA
level.  D/l the fixpak via RSU to one server, net use the d/l drive out
to the other servers and start them all updating.  4 of the 5
completed, no problem.  Number 5 hung during application installation. 
After trying everything else, I forced a chkdsk on the next boot and
every drive had errors.  It took until sunrise to restore that one
system - with it's 48 gig raid array.

Sometimes I'm a bit sloppy, but this lesson will stick.  When applying
fixpaks, have a good backup, run chkdsk first.  And for those of you
still wanting HPFS386, be forewarned that recovery of drives with
HPFS386 installed is very dicey - ranging from a real PITA to
impossible!

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        30-Oct-99 15:36:00
  To: Dave Davidson                                     30-Oct-99 15:36:00
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Been out and missed a bunch of this, but this sounds suspiciously like
what I got into with one of my son's little adventures.  First clue is
that FDISK can't seem to change the MBR.  What I finally tracked this
to was a @#$%^ boot sector virus on the HD - it was brand new,
purchased with WIN98 installed from a reputable dealer, but there it
was bigger than life, and hosing up every attempt to clear the disk,
including the so-called low level Seagate utilities.  Hey, nothing else
has worked so it's worth a try!

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Wes Newell                                        30-Oct-99 11:40:06
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

 LE> A CSU/DSU isn't a modem. It's *digital* 
 LE> interface, not an analog one.
 LE> These are old and fairly obsolete. They're intended for leased lines
 LE> or possibly the old "switched 56k" service.

 RCB> Neat. Others options?

Missed the original, but CSU/DSU's are far from obsolete. CSU is a Channel
Service Unit & DSU is a Data Service Unit. They can be just a CSU, just a DSU, 
or a combo, which are usually refered to as add/drop units. Most are used with 
a T1 line (24 64K channels). The CSU is general used in voice applications
while the DSU is used for data. The csu/dsu (add/drops) is used when the 24
channels are split between voice and data.


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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         27-Oct-99 07:33:26
  To: Bob Wright                                        30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 JdBP>> So I don't understand.  What are you trying to say by simply
 JdBP>> cutting and pasting text that shows IBM's 16-bit CMD behaving in
 JdBP>> exactly the way that I said that it behaves ?

 BW> Except that that wasn't specified, and I'm not a mind reader.  If you
 BW> go back and re-read Darren's message he explicity refers to Warp 3.0,
 BW> fp 40 and **32** bit CMD.EXE.
 BW> 
 BW> Since I'm running Connect with FP40, it seems reasonable to suppose
 BW> that cmd.exe had been updated to 32-bit.

I'm afraid that it *was* specified.  Darren didn't state that the 32-bit CMD
was part of OS/2 Warp 4.  He *asked* whether it was.  Here's the very text
what he posted:

         DH> Is the 32-bit command interpreter specific to OS/2 v4.0? 

I then replied to him by saying that it wasn't, saying :

         JdBP>> If you crank up IBM's 16-bit CMD, and run the TIME command 
         JdBP>> with the /? option, you will notice that it documents a 
         JdBP>> /N option.  

and:

         JdBP>> But documenting it in the help message is as far as IBM's 
         JdBP>> 16-bit CMD goes.  It doesn't actually *implement* it, [...]

You joined the thread after that message.  As you can see, far from it being
"not specified", it was made clear *every single time* that it was mentioned
in *every single post* that IBM's CMD was a 16-bit program.  It was *always*
referred to as "IBM's 16-bit CMD".  That's about as unequivocal on the subject 
as anyone can get.  So you didn't have to be a mind reader.  You only had to
follow the thread.

 JdBP>> Are you saying that you want the 32-bit CMD ?  (-:

 BW> Putting words in my mouth won't wash, either.

I'm asking you what you are saying, not telling you.  That's twice that you've 
mistaken a question for a statement.  Once with Darren asking me whether OS/2
Warp 4 has a 32-bit CMD, which you mis-read as Darren stating that it had, and 
once with the above question, which you've mis-read as me saying that you want 
the 32-bit CMD.  

In both cases there was a question mark at the end of the questions, and the
verbs and subjects were in the usual reversed order that English speakers use
for questions.  So I'm not sure that there's anything further that I, or
indeed anyone, can do to make it more clear to you when something is a
question not a statement.  So all I can do is to exhort you:

*Please* read messages more carefully.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         27-Oct-99 07:33:27
  To: Bob Wright                                        30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: 32-bit CMD

 BW> Since I'm running Connect with FP40, it seems reasonable to suppose
 BW> that cmd.exe had been updated to 32-bit.

Unfortunately, for those that have paid close attention to where IBM has
concentrated its development efforts over the years, no it isn't reasonable at 
all, it is sad to say.

IBM's 16-bit CMD hasn't had any major changes made to it since the days of
16-bit OS/2.  In the transition to 32-bit in OS/2 version 2.0 the START
command gained a few extra options, and that was it.  CMD remained pretty much 
unchanged otherwise.  The only things that have changed in it since are the
special cases for the BEGINLIBPATH and ENDLIBPATH "environment variables". 
Even then, IBM modified the 16-bit system API to add two new functions for the 
16-bit CMD to use, rather than make CMD a 32-bit program so that it could use
the 32-bit system API.

IBM should not be discredited for the massive undertaking of making much of
OS/2 32-bit.  Presentation Manager and the GRE, both of which are large bodies 
of code, are 32-bit.  But IBM concentrated on a few prominent areas, and has
never fully completed the job.  Many things in OS/2 Warp 4 remain 16-bit. 
IBM's CMD is one such thing.

For some of the 16-bit vestiges still remaining in OS/2 Warp 4 there are
32-bit replacements.  For example, IBM's 16-bit SORT command (which, because
of its 16-bitness, cannot handle files over 64KiB) can be replaced by the
32-bit SORT command from the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0 (which
has no such 16-bit limitation).  Along the way, one gains several extra
features (such as the ability to specify files to be sorted on the command
line).  Similarly, IBM's 16-bit TREE command can be replaced by the 32-bit
TREE command from OS2CLU.  And again, one gains several benefits on the side
as well.

The 32-bit CMD allows us to rid ourselves of one more of these 16-bit vestiges 
in OS/2 Warp 4.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         27-Oct-99 09:45:04
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: Warp 3 install

 MR> The Graham Utilities and GammaTech Utilities both have HPFS undelete
 MR> programs.  It'd actually be a fairly simple task to write one, too,
 MR> with all the junk I've stuffed in my head the last couple weeks
 MR> poking around HPFS.  The only drawback, compared to FAT, is that it's
 MR> time-consuming. With FAT, it's a matter of looking for directory
 MR> entries that have just had the first character "deleted".  With HPFS,
 MR> the drive must be scanned for FNodes which aren't owned by any files
 MR> contained in the directory tree.

That's made slightly easier by the fact that, by definition, FNodes found in
blocks marked as "free" in the block bitmaps won't be pointed to by *any*
directory entries in the directory tree.  (-:

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         27-Oct-99 10:06:14
  To: Bat Lang                                          30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: WGET153

 LE>> But you can set up BAT or CMD files to run the programs. And use this
 LE>> sort of setup:

 LE>> SET SAVE=%HOME   <<====<<<
 LE>> SET HOME=xxxxxx
 LE>> {stuff to actually start program goes here}
 LE>> SET HOME=%SAVE   <<====<<<

 BL> Shouldn't those two marked <<====<<< be %HOME% and %SAVE% ??

<mouth hidden behind hand>  He's a 4OS2 user.

(-:

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Oct-99 21:55:21
  To: Jack Stein                                        30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: Why to use FAT instead of HPFS

 JS> I agree that using an IOMEGA zip disk for one big backup file might be
 JS> smart to use FAT, but other than that, and really small disks like a
 JS> floppy, FAT is just not a good filesystem to use. 

I don't know about yours, but *my* floppy discs hold 120MeB.  Does that still
qualify as "really small" ?  (-:

( And yes, it *would* be nice if IBM were to come out with a version of OS/2
Warp that allowed one to use HPFS on 120MeB floppy discs ... )

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Oct-99 21:59:04
  To: Andy Roberts                                      30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
 AR> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a
 AR> type "F" partition.

As PARTLIST will tell you, a type 0x0B partition is "32-bit FAT < 2TB".

 AR> I have a friend who just can't believe that his previous M$
 AR> installations left a partition that consumes almost his whole HD and
 AR> apparently can not be deleted permanently with other conventional
 AR> software like OS/2 FDISK.  

I am told that FDISK should be able to delete any partition of any type, as
long as the partition table itself is not corrupted.  Try:

        [A:\]FDISK /DISK:D /NAME:NNNNN /FSTYPE:H0B /DELETE

You must look up the disk D and the name NNNNN using FDISK /QUERY.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Oct-99 22:05:25
  To: Andy Roberts                                      30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR> When he deletes the partition all options become greyed-out. 

By the way, you might do well to tell your friend that the normal behaviour of 
FDISK is that when the last partition on a drive is deleted all options *are*
greyed out, *except two*: "Create partition" and "Install Boot Manager".

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Oct-99 22:19:20
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: Swap Question

 RJT> One plus [of a swapfile on a separate dedicated volume] would be that 
 RJT> you don't have to worry about that swapfile ever getting fragmented.  On 

 RJT> the other hand you're adding a nontrivial seek to that "drive" each time 

 RJT> the swapfile [volume] needs to be accessed, and fragmentation isn't much 

 RJT> of a problem for HPFS drives anyhow.

You can add to that the fact that one always specifies the initial allocation
size for the swapfile, and that as a result the HPFS filesystem driver always
attempts to allocate as much contiguous space as it can for the swapfile when
it is first created.  (The ability of programs to specify in advance when a
file is being created how large it is likely to be, so that the filesystem
drivers can do fancy tricks with file placement to avoid the necessity for
fragmentation later on, is one of the features of OS/2.)  So the possibility
of non-optimal fragmentation is *only* an issue on HPFS if the swapfile
actually has cause to grow whilst the system is running.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Oct-99 22:39:06
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: Confirmation Needed

 IM>> BTW, what's "an OS/2 32-bit formatted drive"?

 LP> I couldn't remember the Hsomething letters when I was writing the
 LP> message. :-)

It will probably make it easier to remember them if you know that they stand
for "High Performance File System".

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Oct-99 08:56:09
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: The sendmail supplied with OS/2 Warp

 JdBP>> It's the standard UCB sendmail.  It's difficult to configure
 JdBP>> because of sendmail.cf, but that's simply a design flaw of UCB
 JdBP>> sendmail.  The OS/2 port does everything that can be done with
 JdBP>> UCB sendmail except for those rare things that require sockets as
 JdBP>> standard input (such as BSMTP).

 JdBP>> In particular, the usual "sendmail -bd -q30m" will run a sendmail
 JdBP>> daemon listening on the SMTP port for incoming mail, and will
 JdBP>> deliver it according to the rewrite and mailer rules set up in
 JdBP>> sendmail.cf .  (OS/2 Warp's TCP/IP Configuration utility will
 JdBP>> cause the sendmail daemon to be started in the proper manner if
 JdBP>> you ask it to.)

 RT> Ahh, so would a sendmail.cf generated under Linux work if copied over
 RT> to OS/2?

No.  But this would mainly be to do with issues such as whether the sendmails
were the same version as each other (different versions of UCB sendmail have
different configuration file syntax -- the joy is compounded!), and whether
the delivery agents specified by the various "mailer" options in sendmail.cf
were available on both systems.  (The local delivery agent, which is usually
something like deliver, procmail, or binmail on UNIX systems, probably won't
have an OS/2 counterpart, simply because multi-user delivery agents don't make 
sense on OS/2.  The usual OS/2 delivery agent that is used is generally the
one for LAMail or UltiMail, although others exist on places like the Hobbes
FTP site.)

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Oct-99 08:59:12
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: Swap Question

 LP> Am wondering if I can make a logical partition just for the swap
 LP> file(s) & point the swap setup to it.

Yes you can.  The swapfile can reside on any local (i.e. non-network) volume
accessible within OS/2.

But you probably shouldn't.  The rule for placement of the swapfile is:

        Your swapfile should reside on the *most* used partition on the 
        *least* used disc unit attached to the *least* used channel (or
        least used bus attached to the least used host adapter if SCSI).

The rationale for the rule is complex, and I won't go into it in this message, 
but the important thing is that if one has only the one hard disc drive, this
rule degenerates to:

        Your swapfile should reside on the *most* used partition.

In general, this will be your working data partition.

"Use", by the way, means "volume of reads and writes during normal operation"
in this context, not "amount of space occupied by files".

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Oct-99 09:00:14
  To: Darren Hamilton                                   30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: New DATE and TIME command

 DH> Using my Filestar/2 file management utility program, I selected the
 DH> CMD.EXE file in the C:\OS2 directory. 
 DH> [...]
 DH> This opened a dialog box to execute the file. There is a message on
 DH> the top of this box. It read: Executable file - (OS/2 windowable
 DH> 32-bit)
 DH> [...]
 DH> Thus I assumed the CMD.EXE is an 32-bit OS/2 executable file.

FileStar/2 is badly programmed.  It sees that a file is a Linear Executable
("LX") format file and as a result labels it "32-bit".  That isn't the case,
of course, since the LX executable file format was specifically designed to be 
used for *both* 16-bit *and* 32-bit executables (and also mixed 16-bit/32-bit
executables).

IBM's CMD.EXE is a very good case in point.  Using any handy LX executable
file dump utility, such as EXEHDR from the OS/2 Developers' Toolkit or TDUMP
from Borland C++ for OS/2, will reveal that CMD.EXE comprises 4 memory
objects, 3 for code and 1 for data, *all* of which have the "16:16 alias" flag 
set.  This means that -- ironically given what FileStar/2 says -- IBM's
CMD.EXE as supplied with OS/2 Warp 4.0 is *entirely* composed of *16-bit*
code.

FileStar/2 is being too simplistic, and is thus getting things wrong.

  JdeBP 

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From: John Angelico                                     29-Oct-99 17:17:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: StarOffice

On 26/10/1999, Lee Aroner said to John Angelico about StarOffice:

Hi there Lee.

LA>   > A drastic solution. Maybe if you could explain a little more about the
LA>   > exact problem you might get a simpler solution here.
LA> 
LA> 
LA>    Like he says, HTML docs always open in SO, regardless of the 
LA>    association setting. It's similar to the GIF > Picture Viewer 
LA>    thing. No idea what the solution is...
LA> 
LA>                                        LRA
LA> 
 
But I still suggest that a bit more detail might help to focus our
attention on a solution.

First suggestion: Go to Associations in one of the HTMLs and look at it.
Does it show Text/HTML or Plain Text? If only plain text does it mean that
SO looks at the *.HTM? extension to assert its behaviour?

Second suggestion: What if you were to remove the association AND THEN
IMMEDIATELY CLICK UNDO? We have found that some text files created from
templates are bothersome. When we do this, we recover ALL the associations
for text files which we have established (about 8 I think<g>).
 
Third suggestion: report this to SO/Sun as a bug or trawl their support
web site/s for information on the problem.

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au

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From: John Angelico                                     29-Oct-99 17:49:01
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  30-Oct-99 19:19:18
Subj: Questions...

On 26/10/1999, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to John Angelico about Questions...:

CV> JA> Cyrill, I think this is not correct - WPS allows direct moving and
CV>  JA> renaming of files ever since v2.0 and it has always been very simple.
CV>     Maybe. I prefer textmode file shells like File Commander.
CV> 

Well, I'm sure there are FC/2 users here who could tell you - even though
I don't know it, I would be confident in making a rash prediction: it's
easier than you think and there are probably more ways than one to do it.

Even the command shell has "auto-DOSKEY" facilities to save our fingers
wearing out on the keys...<g>

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
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From: John Thompson                                     30-Oct-99 10:34:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 21:23:25
Subj: File Systems

In a message to MIKE RUSKAI, Linda Proulx wrote re: File Systems

MR> data, but they are unreachable (except using direct drive access).
 
LP> What is exactly meant by direct drive access?

When you bypass the filesystem and tell the drive to read/write 
at a specific location.  Usually only done with low-level disk 
editors.  Not for the timid.


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From: Daniela Engert                                    28-Oct-99 18:26:08
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda!

Thus quoth Linda Proulx to Daniela Engert:

 DE>> I joined the Odin development team was to get back Windows Solitaire.

 LP> Are you a beta tester?

No, there is no beta so far.

 LP> Programmer?

Yes.

 LP> When will it be available to folk like me? '-)

Right away if you get yourself the sources from the public server and compile
them with VAC++.

I public alpha (distributed as ready-to-use DLLs) is planned to be released
real soon now. If nothing else goes wrong we expect it within two weeks of
time.

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       29-Oct-99 19:31:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Re: File Systems

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai
on 10-27-99  12:03 about Re: File Systems...

 -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JACK STEIN <=-
 
 MR> data, but they are unreachable (except using direct drive access).

 LP> What is exactly meant by direct drive access?

Nothing you can do as a normal user.

When writing a program, you can access a drive directly in one of two ways:

1)  Open the drive as a file (pass the drive string to DosOpen() and use
the OPEN_FLAGS_DASD flag), and use the normal file access APIs.  This
treats the entire drive, from boot sector to end, as a big file.  It won't
work for drives larger than 2GB.  For such drives, HPFS does have a special
access mode that makes the file access APIs deal in sector units, rather
than byte units (function 0x9014 with DosFSCtl()).  That will handle any
drive size up to 2^31 sectors (1TB, with 512-byte sectors).  HPFS386
doesn't support sector mode, however.  It does support larger drives with
normal mode, but how large, I'm not sure (the DosSetFilePtr() function is
only useful with 2GB drives, however, since the offset parameter is a
signed long integer).

2)  Open the drive as a file, like above, but just to get a handle (pointer
that let's OS/2 know what opened device you're referring to).  Use
DosDevIOCtl() with category 0x08 functions to read the drive via CHS values
(cylinder, head, sector).  The head, cylinder, and sector values for this
function are unsigned short integers, so the size limit is 2^48 sectors
(128KTB), beyond the limit of the PC partitioning scheme (2^32 sectors or
2TB).  A category 0x09 DosDevIOCtl() call can be used to read the physical
drive, after using another DosDevIOCtl() call to get a physical drive
handle.  The only real difference between the two is what the
cylinder/head/sector values are relative to.  For category 0x09 calls,
they're relative to the beginning of the physical drive.  For category 0x08
calls, they're relative to the beginning of the logical drive, which for
primary partitions is the physical drive, and for logical volumes is the
pseudo-drive in the extended partition that defines the logical volume's
partition.

Well, there is a third option, which is to write your own IFS (installable
file system) driver, to mimic HPFS, but use all of the drive.  That option
is at least as complicated to me as those first two are to you :)

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       29-Oct-99 20:05:00
  To: LEONARD ERICKSON                                  30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: File Systems

Some senseless babbling from Leonard Erickson to Ian Moote
on 10-28-99  00:11 about File Systems...

 -=> Quoting Ian Moote to LEONARD ERICKSON <=-
 
 LE> Well, there *is* one reason for HPFS on removable media. Long
 LE> filenames. At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95
 LE> style long file names.
 LE>
 LE> I'm sure someone is going to mention using ZIP or some other
 LE> archiver. Many of the files I'm putting on the ZIP disks are things
 LE> I want *direct* access to. Not access thru an archiver.
 
 IM> OS/2 keeps track of long filenames on removable FAT drives. I just 
 IM> double-checked: I had a file on floppy named "JIM". I renamed it,
 IM> using  WPS, to "Jimbo a-logo!.blobbo.txt". Checking on my DOS laptop,
 IM> the  filename is now "JIMBO_A-.TXT", but it still comes up as "Jimbo a-
 IM> logo.blobbo.txt" on OS/2. [:)

 LE> That's nice. I'd like to be able to go one step farther and assign a
 LE> *specific* shortname to a file without losing the long name. Even if
 LE> it used up another directory entry. Then we'd be able to keep old
 LE> programs happy indefinitely and still use long filenames. Unix can do
 LE> this, I just forget the command.

This is strictly speaking possible, but not taken advantage of by the OS.
There's no required attachment between a file's directory name, and it's
.LONGNAME extended attribute (which is how what Ian mentioned above is
done).

The PM file dialogs don't recognize the .LONGNAME attribute as a filename,
nor does DosOpen(), the API that opens files.

Mike Ruskai
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From: Holger Granholm                                   29-Oct-99 17:45:00
  To: Ian Moote                                         30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Manual?

In a message dated 10-27-99, Ian Moote said to Holger Granholm:

HG> A question crossed my mind. Did you ever receive a paperback manual
HG> with your copy of Warp 3?
                      ^^^^^^
IM>Warp 3 or 4?

See above!

IM>I loaned my Warp 3 to a friend when I moved up to Warp 4, but I'm
IM>sure it has a manual.

Yes, Warp 3 came with a 393 page manual.

IM>My Warp 4 has a 128-page manual called "Up and Running OS/2 WARP
IM>Version 4" which covers installation of the O/S.

So did everybody else.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   29-Oct-99 17:45:00
  To: Dan Egli                                          30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

In a message dated 10-27-99, Dan Egli said to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard:

DE>As a matter of fact, I was planning on slowly downloading the Hobbes
DE>archive and burning it to a CD. If people are interested, I may sell
DE>copies of the burn to those who want them. The CDs could be BBS
DE>ready, if desired.

Hello Dan,

First question is: Do you know what "BBS ready" meant on the previous
Walnut Creek CD's and how it was implemented?

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   29-Oct-99 17:45:00
  To: Dan Egli                                          30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: NumLock

In a message dated 10-27-99, Dan Egli said to All:

DE>        Every time OS/2 Boots, it turns off the numlock. I like the
DE>numlock on but I hate turning it on for each session.

DE>Is there something I can tweak in the config.sys or somewhre that
DE>will leave the numlock ON?

Hello Dan,

No, you can't tweak the config.sys but you can get a program that turns
on NumLock when you boot and keeps it on except in FullScreen Window.

The program is contained in JSHIF161.ZIP and is freeware. It should be
available at hobbes. I found it on a Hobbes OS/2 CD from Walnut Creek.

DE>... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free.

I'll take the $25, thank you.

Regards,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   29-Oct-99 17:45:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: StarOffice?

In a message dated 10-24-99, Russell Tiedt said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Russell,

RT>Well now, I wouldn't mind a good book on networking OS/2, but paper
RT>is heavy and you would pay a equally heavy penalty.

And because I don't need networking I don't have one anyway;-)

RT>So that rules out that, and to be fair, a CD-ROM of some sort in
RT>return would be acceptable, content being either latest fixpacks for
RT>OS/2 Warp 3 and Warp 4 or latest FreeBSD CD-ROM.

Well, I have a CD that contains FP40 which I know is OK for Warp 3.
Dunno about FP41 but FP42 is definitely for Warp 4 connect which is
based on Warp 3 but that FP is not usable without the connect version.

There are a lot of other proggies on that same CD, mostly though for
Windows (as usual) but FP10 for Warp 4 is on another CD that I need
myself.

 HG> Let me first check sun.com for their pricing.

RT>True, whatever is more convenient for you.

I did try to check if I could determine the S/H before actually
committing to an order but I couldn't even see the link that I
was asked to click to order the CD.

What did they actually charge you for S/H? I know they state anything
between $6 and $25. I used to get the Hobbes OS/2 from Walnut Creek by
AirMail Overseas for a S/H cost of USD 9.00.

Have a nice day,

Holger
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From: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 12:02:02
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Re: Questions Again ,-)

-=> Greetings,

   Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 ET> A soundcard is a much better choice. There are cheap soundcards that
 ET> are supported under OS/2.

But what if one doesn't really want/need one.  Lots of hardware space
for a few beeps when a program starts, etc.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 13:40:24
  To: John Thompson                                     30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Re: File Systems

-=> Greetings,

   John Thompson wrote to Peter Knapper <=-


 LE> At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95 style
 LE> long file names.

 JT> vfat_003.zip     184595 1998/02/09  Win'95 VFAT IFS for OS/2
 JT> os2fat32.zip     190408 1999/03/23  FAT32.IFS for OS/2 version 0.88

Where did these come from?  For both warps?  Where to get?  Part of
Fixpaks?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 13:43:04
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Network

Greetings,

Want to network new & old units.  The new will have OS/2 <G> but the old
will run DOS.  If I have Lantastic on the old unit, will OS/2 Connect
"connect" :-)  with it?


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 13:51:14
  To: George White                                      30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Re: W 4 difs.

-=> Greetings,

   George White wrote to Andy Roberts <=-

 GW> I suspect everyone now knoes more than they ever wanted to about Warp
 GW> 4 versions...

Not necessarily.  Helps to have knowledge when asking questions.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 14:11:21
  To: Murray Lesser                                     30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Re: Extended Attributes

-=> Greetings,

   Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 ML>     If I might make a suggestion:  You are never going to learn all you
 ML> should know by the process you are using: throwing out a question every
 ML> time you run across an OS/2 term you don't recognize.  I suggest that

True, but I can't just let these terms go by when I see them.  Also, I
want to get beyond the "a liitle knowledge is dangerous" period soon.

 ML> either you get a good textbook about OS/2, or (better yet) install it,

Nothing found in the used book stores yet.

 ML>     Of course, the correspondence you initiate does put some life back
 ML> into this old echo <VBG>.

Lots of interesting stuff showing up!
Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 14:13:14
  To: Holger Granholm                                   30-Oct-99 21:23:26
Subj: Re: Manual?

-=> Greetings,

   Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> Very good. I always read the manual a night or two before installing
 HG> new software or hw.

So do I, but the OS/2 one ptreety bare.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Ron Nicholls                                      30-Oct-99 13:21:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          30-Oct-99 13:21:00
Subj: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

BL> Thanks to Andy Roberts, Mike Ruskai and Will Honea for their
BL> detailed setup info regarding the <subj> setup. Thanks to your
BL> combined input, which was pretty straightforward, I was able to make
BL> the needed changes to load www.discovery.com. 

Just tried this, got to the point where the report 
says 'Starting Java '  and everthing froze for
about three VERY VERY loooong and increasingly
hysterical seconds

** shit shit shit **

readying the three finger salute

when progress continued on and panic subsides


I think I'll have you shot!  Bat :-)

-
-
Regards RonN
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From: Will Honea                                        30-Oct-99 19:58:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 19:58:00
Subj: Network

Linda Proulx wrote to All on 10-29-1999

LP> Greetings,
LP> 
LP> Want to network new & old units.  The new will have OS/2 <G> but
LP> the old will run DOS.  If I have Lantastic on the old unit, will
LP> OS/2 Connect "connect" :-)  with it?

I'll answer, despite the last bit...  Warp Connect has full
Peer-to-Peer facilities (Peer server, Lan requester, plus full
protocol and transport facilities).  It will network quite well with
other Warp Connect (and later OS/2) installations, windows for
Workgruops, Win9x, and NT Workstation in Peer nets.  It is also capable
of full participation on most (there are some odd-balls) LANS - be they
OS/2, NT, or *Nix and/or internet.  AFAIAA, Lantastic fits into the
'odd-ball' category.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: George White                                      29-Oct-99 08:19:25
  To: Mike Roark                                        30-Oct-99 23:38:15
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hi Mike,

On 24-Oct-99, Mike Roark wrote to Murray Lesser:

 MR> Friday October 22 1999 22:03, Murray Lesser wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>>> That 47 byte file would take up a 32k cluster on a 1 gig fat
 >>> partition. Notice it only takes 512 bytes of space. I just gained
 >>> 31k of space for something else.

 ML>> I don't know what program you were using to produce your
 ML>> "directory" display, but a one-byte file under HPFS takes up at
 ML>> least 1 KB of disk space (one sector for the file itself and a
 ML>> minimum of one sector for its Fnode).  There is only one sector
 ML>> used for the Fnode, irrespective of the size of the file, unless
 ML>> the Extended Attributes portion of the Fnode takes up more room
 ML>> than is available in that sector.

 MR> I'm sure it does. As for what made the directory. It was a
 MR> straight 'dir' command using 4dos as the command processor. I just
 MR> tried it with the OS/2 cmd.exe, and it says it uses 47 bytes.
 MR> Nothing I have short of DFsee shows anything about the fnode. But
 MR> I do have a question. Isn't the fnode already allocated in the
 MR> HPFS section of the drive? I hope I'm clear about what I'm asking.
 MR> I mean the part that is allocated before any files are put on the
 MR> drive

The minimum allocation for a file is 1024 bytes or 2 clusters, one for
the file and one for EAs - what Murray called the FNODE. Thereafter a
file is extended by by 1 cluster for file data or EAs as required,
however the maximum EA size that OS/2 supports is 64k. When a REXX
script is run the tokenised version is stored in the EAs if it is less
than 64k, this means that a REXX script does not normally have to be
tokenised each time it is run.

George

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From: George White                                      29-Oct-99 08:32:25
  To: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 23:38:15
Subj: Swap Question

Hi Linda,

On 25-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> Am wondering if I can make a logical partition just for the swap
 LP> file(s) & point the swap setup to it.

You can, there is only one swap file, and I wouldn't recommend doing so.

 LP> And if I can, what size of partiton should I make for it & other
 LP> program swap files?

The conventional wisdom for the OS/2 swapper.dat file is to place it
on the most used partition of the least used drive on the system.
Putting it on it's own partition on a drive with other partitions in
use (particularly if it's the only drive) slows things down as it
almost guarantees that the heads will have to be moved further to get
to the partition than if the swapper.dat was in one of the main
working partitions.

The ideal situation if you have a smallish old drive is to use it as
a dedicated swap drive.

George
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From: George White                                      29-Oct-99 08:56:25
  To: Andy Roberts                                      30-Oct-99 23:38:15
Subj: Newbie

Hi Andy,

On 25-Oct-99, Andy Roberts wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:

 LRM>>> The limit on logical drives is simply the letters of the
 LRM>>> alphabet (for drive designations) left over after all the
 LRM>>> primary partitions have been assigned.  That is true for DOS,
 LRM>>> all flavors of Windows and OS/2.

 LE>>> Actually, under at least some versions of DOS the limits are a
 LE>>> bit broader. We had a LAN that ran under DOS 2.x. And you could
 LE>>> not only have drives A-Z, but also @:, [:, and ]: I'm not sure
 LE>>> if it allowed \:, ^: or _:.

 MR>> Type "]:" at an OS/2 CMD prompt.

 AR> Also these:

<snip>

 AR> That is 23 more than A-Z.  But I already know by default OS/2
 AR> auto-assigned drive designators crap out at Z.  So how can we get
 AR> OS/2 to auto-assign such a partition?

You've gone the wrong route. OS/2 can only support drives up to drive
number 31, the HPFS file system reserves the first 5 bits of the 32
bit sector number to identify the drive, the remaining 27 bits
identify the sector within the drive, giving the max HPFS volume size
of 64 Gig.

I would expect the drive letter sequence to be:-
'X','Y','Z','[','\',']','^','_'.

George

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         30-Oct-99 09:14:14
  To: Dan Egli                                          30-Oct-99 23:38:15
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 DE> The CDs could be BBS ready, if desired.

If you need them, I have a suite of REXX scripts that will download the Hobbes 
00GLOBAL.TXT file, convert it into the appropriate FILES.BBS files in the
appropriate subdirectories, and then convert the FILES.BBS files into attached 
".SUBJECT" extended attributes attached to each file and directory in order to 
yield descriptions for them in 4OS2 and the file objects' properties notebooks 
in the Workplace Shell.

I've posted two of the scripts in the OS2REXX echo in the past.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         30-Oct-99 09:36:17
  To: Dan Egli                                          30-Oct-99 23:38:15
Subj: NumLock

 DE> Is there something I can tweak in the config.sys or somewhre that will
 DE> leave the numlock ON?

In theory, the /NUMON switch to the IBMKBD.SYS base device driver should do
this, although I do not know whether the option was ever fully implemented and 
if it was what FixPack it is available in.

For users of JP Software's 4OS2 and Take Command for OS/2 command
interpreters, there is a built-in KEYBD command.  To set numlock on for all
full-screen sessions, place the following in 4START.BTM:

        if %_shell% EQ 0 .and. %_ptype% EQ FS keybd /n1

To set numlock on in the PM session, create a new program object in the
Startup folder (by dragging and dropping from the Programs template) that
invokes Take Command for OS/2 with the following command line arguments in the 
parameters field:

        /c keybd /n1

For non-4OS2 users, there are various "itty-bitty" utilities that will alter
the numlock shift state for individual sessions.  The OS/2 Command Line
Utilities version 1.0 (OS2CLU01.ARJ or OS2CLU01.ZIP on your favourite files
site, including Hobbes FTP and LEO FTP) contains the 16-bit KEYLOCKS.EXE
utility, for example, which can be used to alter the state of the num, caps,
and shift locks in full-screen sessions:
        
        [c:\]keylocks /n+

The 32-bit CMD comes with a 32-bit KEYLOCKS command with a slightly more
verbose syntax:

        [c:\]keylocks NUMON

  JdeBP 

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Oct-99 21:07:19
  To: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 06:23:17
Subj: Extended Attributes

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Murray Lesser:

 ML> either you get a good textbook about OS/2, or (better yet) install it,

 LP> Nothing found in the used book stores yet.

Places that handle closeouts and discontinued merchandise are good for that
sort of thing.

But I can also understand Murray's comment about installing it,  as there are
*LOADS* of online "books" and document files and the tutorial.  Try it!

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Oct-99 21:01:13
  To: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 06:23:17
Subj: Network

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> Want to network new & old units.  The new will have OS/2 <G>
 LP> but the old will run DOS.  If I have Lantastic on the old
 LP> unit, will OS/2 Connect "connect" :-)  with it?

Nope!  Lantastic is proprietary stuff.  I know of some folks who have run the
dos version of it on their OS/2 box,  but I don't think I'd care to try that.
The sorts of networking supported by "connect" are both TCP/IP stuff and SMB
stuff (what windoze uses).  You can get some TCP/IP support under dos with the 
NCSA telnet package (let me know if you need that pkg),  which includes an ftp 
client.

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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Oct-99 17:59:27
  To: Murray Lesser                                     31-Oct-99 06:23:17
Subj: Registration

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Jack Stein:


JS>I never registered OS/2, didn't know you could?  It's not shareware?

 ML>     You never moved to Warp 4, either.  

Nope, but I'm on the "edge"...  I just deleted my WARP Connect partition,
which was really exactly the same as my WARP 3 partition, and I'm thinking of
installing WARP 4, or possibly a LINUX thing-ee, or possibly just a small,
maintentence set-up with just TSHELL.  

I lost my first HD in about 15 years last week.  A had bought a used 2gig
Seagate and a used 875 Quantam drives several years ago for $50 for the both
of them, and the 2 gig Seagate, which I used solely for backup, had a HDD
controller failure.  I put my very old 400 meg WD drive back in, and it still
works perfect.  All my drives had been Western Digital, and I never lost one
yet.  Anyway, I freed up a partition while I was messing around trying to make 
sure it really was a HDD controler failure (I tend never to believe these
messages, as they are generally wrong, but I guess this time it was correct)

Haven't decided exactly what to put in there yet, WARP 4 doesn't seem to be
too popular with the 486 crowd, of which I'm a proud member...  

 ML> Software
 ML> registration for OS/2 was introduced (AFAIK) with Warp 4. 
 ML> The purpose of such registration seems to be to put you on
 ML> some IBM mailing lists that you otherwise wouldn't be on
 ML> :-(.  It is also the easiest way to kill the dancing
 ML> elephant (another Warp 4 innovation!).  

Amazing what marketing departments can come up with to screw up perfectly fine 
computer systems...

While I have your attention, I was reading one of the IBM propaganda email
thing-ees a week or so ago, they said they had some kind of LINUX do-dad that
would bring LINUX up to par with WINDOWS....  I KNEW IBM would try to kill
Linux:-)

 ML> So, perhaps IBM has dropped the idea. 

I doubt it, they haven't come up with too many good ideas recently.

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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Oct-99 18:18:01
  To: Holger Granholm                                   31-Oct-99 06:23:17
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Andy Roberts:

 HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address. If I
 HG> knew, I could DL it myself.

AR>bbs.os2bbs.com or #204.194.180.10  You can get his files via Telnet.

 HG> I'll put it in as a bookmark in NS. Thanks.

Not much reason to put it in NS unless you plan on signing up.  What you want
to do is get MTELNET (free) and telenet into his bbs.  Really easy to do with
Mtel, no vmodem needed, takes about 20 seconds to set up.  Look for: 

MTELB5.ZIP     OS/2/WIN95 Telenet.  Use to Telenet BBS's on the Internet.
(54K)

                                              Jack 
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From: Holger Granholm                                   30-Oct-99 18:44:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     31-Oct-99 06:23:17
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

-=> On 10-26-99 12:36 Murray Lesser was talkin to Holger Granholm <=-

Hi Murray,

HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address.

BB> www.os2bbs.com

ML>     What Bob forgot to tell you is that Pete's Web page offers
ML> downloads to subscribers (small annual fee) only.

Oh shit, thanks for the info.

ML> If you have telnet (I use vmodem), see the telnet address on the
ML> origin line, below. I believe that most files are available for

Nope, and will probably not acquire it either with the decline in
BBS activity. I know that I probably could have slowed the decline
if I had got a direct connect to an ISP early enough.

ML> free download to all "registered" (no fee) users who come in by
ML> telnet or by direct dial-up. (The US dial-up telephone number is
ML> 703-242-4482, but I assume that you would not be interested in
ML> using it.)

You can bet on that.

ML>     Pete once told me that he doesn't believe in ftp.

Well, it's up to him I guess. I like to FTP rather than using the
browser.

Have a nice day,

Holger


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From: Bat Lang                                          30-Oct-99 17:54:14
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             31-Oct-99 06:23:17
Subj: Msg Reader

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to All, [30 Oct 99  05:14:53] <=-

 RCB> * Crossposted from: OS2BBS

 RCB> What are the options about msg reader?

 RCB> Multimail/2 & KWQ/2 are off already.

I've been using BlueWave (BW) for DOS for years. It works fine in a VDM
also, which is where I am right now, responding to your msg. I also have
the OS/2 version, but prefer to work in my DOS 'element', doing the BBS
calling with my DOS comm pgm, and OLR with BW. The Y2K outlook for BW is
not too bad for the BW format, so long as the linked BBS runs a Y2K
compatible BW door. There is a separate echo for BW discussion:

BLUEWAVE            Blue Wave Mail System Support Echo
OFFLINE             Offline Mail Discussion Forum

The last one is for any OLR (OffLine Reader) discussion. Good Modeming!
/\oo/\


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From: Murray Lesser                                     31-Oct-99 05:23:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      31-Oct-99 05:23:00
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-18-99, Albert Sodyl to Murray Lesser)

Hi Albert--

AS>I know OS/2 v2.1 are no longer supported, but I still need to find
  >the latest fixpack for it because it's the only version that I will
  >ever use, all other one's are very expensive to me, I got 2.1 free
  >from a friend.

    They were called "Corrective Service Diskettes" (not FixPaks) in
those days.  There were a few "patches" for OS/2 v 2.1 distributed on
Walnut Creek's "Hobbes" CD-ROMs for 1993 and 1994.  OS/2 v 2.11 was very
short lived, having been replaced by Warp 3 shortly after it arrived on
the scene, but there was one CSD for v 2.11 distributed on the Hobbes
CD-ROM for March 1995, and a few shown on the Archived Hobbes CD-ROM for
September 1997 (the most recent one I have).  I haven't the slightest
idea as to whether or not any of these are still available.

    I have no recollection that I ever applied a CSD to OS/2 v 2.1
during the time I was using it (2.1 was largely a "bug fix" for 2.0),
and I am sure that I never "updated" to v 2.11.  I've never believed in
being the first kid on the block with a new operating system, nor with
an unneeded FixPak for that matter.  However, sometimes there are valid
reasons to update.

AS>I have to use os/2, it's my only choice, either that, or I'd be stuck
  >to win 3.1 :(

    Not a difficult choice to make.  Running an obsolete version of OS/2
is always better than running an obsolete version of Windows.  In either
case, you may have Y2K problems, and you can't run any programs that
require a later version to operate.  Most certainly, you would be better
off with Warp 4 plus at least FixPak 5.  But if this is not possible--

    If your current installation of 2.1 is running OK, why do you need
any "FixPaks" for it?  Most CSDs in those days were to handle problems
associated with new hardware and the remaining bugs in the programming
interface (IMO, more bugs have been introduced by FixPaks than were in
the original code).  Early CSDs did not add new features.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Peter Knapper                                     31-Oct-99 17:50:12
  To: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 07:23:19
Subj: Network

Hi Linda,

 LP> Want to network new & old units.  The new will have OS/2 <G> but the old
 LP> will run DOS.  If I have Lantastic on the old unit, will OS/2 Connect
 LP> "connect" :-)  with it?

You really want to do it the hard way dont you.....;-) OS/2 Warp Connect does
not come with any Lantastic support at all. There WAS a Lantastic for OS/2
many years ago, but I think it died a slow death and you may be pushed to find 
anything still around for it now.

Your "best" option at this point seems to be to go to the MS Web site and see
if they still have the DOS Requestor package still available and use that. It
was a free-bee that allowed DOS machines to connect to a Windows Netbios
environment, but because the Windows environment is an SMB environment, just
about any SMB environmentt can inter-connect using the Dos Requestor package.
SMB environments include OS/2 Peer, *nix SAMBA, etc, so you should be able to
get something working.

I hope this helps.........pk.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 05:06:04
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 07:23:19
Subj: Swap Question

Greetings & Salutations,

On 29 Oct 99  04:59:24 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Linda Proulx. LP> Am


 JP> Your swapfile should reside on the *most* used partition.

At this point than, the partition I load Warp on.

My data has to accessible to both DOS & OS/2


Anon,

-=Linda=-

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From: Linda Proulx                                      30-Oct-99 05:12:13
  To: Daniela Engert                                    31-Oct-99 07:23:19
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Greetings & Salutations,

On 28 Oct 99  14:26:17 Daniela Engert wrote to Linda Proulx. DE> Hi Linda!

 DE>> I joined the Odin development team was to get back Windows Solitaire.

 LP> When will it be available to folk like me? '-)

 DE> Right away if you get yourself the sources from the public server
 DE> and compile them with VAC++.

Well, that's not exactly within my realm.

 DE> I public alpha (distributed as ready-to-use DLLs) is planned to
 DE> be released real soon now. If nothing else goes wrong we expect
 DE> it within two weeks of time.

Oh, really? (Hint, hint.....) I trust I'll be hearing from you in a
couple of weeks......

How has it been working on your system so far?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Charles Gaefke                                    29-Oct-99 17:58:06
  To: Dan Egli                                          31-Oct-99 10:23:17
Subj: Re: FTP Server for Os/2

DE> I am getting ready to hook up to the Net full time (got a cable modem on
or
DE> and I wanted to know what the best FTPD for Os/2 is, and also if there is
a
DE> better version of Sendmail than comes w/ Warp 4?

    I use ftpd by Hethmon Bros.  It works very well.

    If I ever get a cable modem/ADSL I can show you how well it works. :)

    Look at www.hethmon.com.


C. Gaefke
cdgaefke@earthlink.net
 


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From: Andy Roberts                                      30-Oct-99 21:52:23
  To: Ian Moote                                         31-Oct-99 12:48:18
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Ian Moote,

30-Oct-99 12:25:00, Ian Moote wrote to ANDY ROBERTS
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 DD>> Can ya send it to _ME_ as well.

 AR>> I haven't received that util yet either.

 IM> Your E-Mail host refused the connection. This is part of what I
 IM> got from my host:

 IM> ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors
 IM> -----<andy@shentel.com>

My E-Mail address as seen below my sig is not *.com but andy@shentel.net

Thanks for trying tho.

 AR>> But don't expect OS/2 FDISK to be able to delete the type "b"
 AR>> FAT32 partition, because OS/2 was released before FAT32 existed,
 AR>> so OS/2 does not know how to deal with it.

 IM> ??? Do you know something about this "type b" partition that I
 IM> don't? Why do you think that OS/2 won't delete it?

Because while I was on the voice phone with Dave Davidson, he attempted to use
FDISK to delete what was reported as a type "b" partition.  He then used "Save
and Exit" FDISK which forced him to reboot.  When he got into FDISK again the
type "b" partition was right back where it was before.

While my personal experience with FAT32 is very limited, I think that behavior
has been reported by others.  Although FDISK does not say type "b" is a FAT32
partition, I found a web site that lists what is probably over 100 different
partition ID types.
--- Excerpt ---
b WIN95 OSR2 32-bit FAT
     Partitions up to 2047GB.
--- End Quote ---

 AR>> It might help if you get a safe with a timed delay combination
 AR>> lock, set to not open for at least 30 days.  Then put all your
 AR>> various WinXX install CDs in the safe and lock it.  Then run the
 AR>> LLF, then install OS/2.

 IM> [:DDD At least you know something of human nature!! [:D

LOL... I've watched him play that game before.  When he gets stuck, he all too
quickly pulls out his WinXX install CD looking for a solution, but not
acknowledging that M$ is really the cause of the problem instead.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   31-Oct-99 09:03:20
  To: Peter Knapper                                     31-Oct-99 12:48:18
Subj: Network

Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 PK> Your "best" option at this point seems to be to go to the MS 
 PK> Web site and see if they still have the DOS Requestor package 
 PK> still available and use that. 

I don't know about that...       :-)

 PK> It was a free-bee that allowed DOS machines to connect to a 
 PK> Windows Netbios environment, but because the Windows 
 PK> environment is an SMB environment, just about any SMB 
 PK> environmentt can inter-connect using the Dos Requestor package. 
 PK> SMB environments include OS/2 Peer, *nix SAMBA, etc, so you 
 PK> should be able to get something working.

I got a couple of different packages from m$,  and could't get either one of
them working here.  Which is why this (dos/dv) box is the least connected of
the four machines sitting here...

If it weren't for ncsa telnet's ftp software,  it wouldn't be connecting at
all.  And I somehow managed to break that a while back.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   31-Oct-99 08:54:00
  To: George White                                      31-Oct-99 12:48:18
Subj: Swap Question

George White wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 GW> The ideal situation if you have a smallish old drive is to
 GW> use it as a dedicated swap drive.

Yes?  I remember bringing this up some time back,  and at least some opinions
were to the effect that the slower speed of an older drive would be a
disadvantage in this case.

I *do* have some 170M drives around,  and should probably look at putting one
into the OS/2 box here,  if that's a good plan...

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  31-Oct-99 00:01:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: File Systems

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to Leonard Erickson <=-

 ML> You can format Iomega ZIP diskettes HPFS, complete with long file
 ML> names, if you insist and are willing to live with the restrictions.
 ML> (See the online manual that came with your OS/2 driver.)  It is a
 ML> nuisance, and you lose about 3 MB of file space, but it most certainly
 ML> is possible.  However, you can't put HPFS on floppies, because if you
 ML> could there wouldn't be any usable file space left :-(.  All this is
 ML> assuming that you have a good reason to use long file names.  I don't,
 ML> because my serious computer usage is done from the command line, where
 ML> long file names are a nuisance.

My main use for long file names at the moment is to keep track of
duplicate files (fonts, graphics, sound, etc) in the stuff that comes
over the internet.
 


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From: Lee Aroner                                        30-Oct-99 10:05:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

AS> Hey LEE ARONER, what's up?

AS> LEE ARONER was heard grumbling this to ALL about Version 2.x SysLevel ??!

 LA> Is there anyone out there with a copy of OS/2 2.x that's loaded on
 LA> a machine? If so, could you tell me how IBM handled the SysLevel
 LA> thing in that version?

AS> I use OS/2 2.11 with fixpack XR_B108 installed, yet I don't know anything
  > what you're talking about, I don't know anything about OS/2 :/


   Could you just confirm for me that there is a file named 
   SYSLEVEL.OS2 in the \OS2\INSTALL directory?

   Thanks,

                                        LRA


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From: Lee Aroner                                        30-Oct-99 08:25:01
  To: John Thompson                                     31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: StarOffice

JT> In a message to John Angelico, Lee Aroner wrote re: StarOffice

LA>    Like he says, HTML docs always open in SO, regardless of the 
LA>    association setting. It's similar to the GIF > Picture Viewer 
LA>    thing. No idea what the solution is...

JT> Not here.  They open in Web Explorer, just like the way the 
  > association is set.  Using Warp v3 FP38 with StarOffice v5.1a 
  > installed.

   Yeah, it's a v4.x thing...

                                       LRA


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From: Lee Aroner                                        30-Oct-99 10:05:02
  To: Murray Lesser                                     31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: Chkdll32

ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-24-99, Lee Aroner to Murray Lesser,
  > original topic: Uninstall Programs)

ML>     BTW, there is a nifty little vintage-1994 utility named CHKDLL32.EXE
  > (I don't remember where I got it)...

LA>   It's part of CSet++ and the VisualAge tools. There is also now a 
  >   WIN version, dated August 99, size of 126k. The OS/2 version is 
  >   53.6k. FastFTP Search will lead one to multiple download 
  >   opportunities @ http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/?form=mediu

ML>     I looked, and it is not on my CD-ROM of C SET++ for OS/2, v 2.01.
  > Besides, I already have it and don't need another copy :-).  And I don't
  > do Windows.


   The offer was purely informational and intended for all those 
   that *don't* have it, Murray....


                                       LRA


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From: Andrew Belov                                      31-Oct-99 13:49:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: Re: Questions Again ,-)

Hello Linda!

 LP>> Is there a program like Winspeaker for OS/2?
 LP> An MS Win 3 program that makes programs think that there is a sound
 LP> card installed & those programs play their wavs/sounds accordingly,
 LP> but thru the computer speaker.

There is a PC speaker driver provided by IBM separately from MMPM/2. The
playback quality is acceptable but significantly lower than one achieved with
Windows driver. Moreover, it seems to be highly chipset-dependent, so a patch
was needed to make it work perfectly with my PC Chips chipset.

                                    Sincerely yours - Andrew

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From: Ian Moote                                         31-Oct-99 12:06:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: Network

LP> Want to network new & old units.  The new will have OS/2 <G> but the
LP> old will run DOS.  If I have Lantastic on the old unit, will OS/2
LP> Connect "connect" :-)  with it?

Lantastic? I'm doubtful. All of the Lantastic stuff that I've seen has 
been proprietary. I'm not familiar with everything that Artisoft put 
out, but if it's proprietary I'd be surprised if Connect supported it. 
(I've never used Connect, BTW.)

What you want on the DOS box is something more standard, such as TCP/IP 
or IPX. Check to see what Connect supports, then go from there.

There's also an [OS2LAN] conference.

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   30-Oct-99 23:03:13
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

 AS> I know OS/2 v2.1 are no longer supported, but I still need to
 AS> find the latest fixpack for it because it's the only version that
 AS> I will ever use, all other one's are very expensive to me, I got
 AS> 2.1 free from a friend.

It does not help! OS/2 prior WARP 3 is and would NOT be Y2K ready!

Go to ebay.com. There you can find OS/2 WARP 4 for less than $50.

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From: Andy Roberts                                      31-Oct-99 20:42:03
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard,

28-Oct-99 21:59:08, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
 AR>> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a
 AR>> type "F" partition.

 JdBP> As PARTLIST will tell you, a type 0x0B partition is "32-bit FAT
 JdBP> < 2TB".

 AR>> I have a friend who just can't believe that his previous M$
 AR>> installations left a partition that consumes almost his whole HD
 AR>> and apparently can not be deleted permanently with other
 AR>> conventional software like OS/2 FDISK.

 JdBP> I am told that FDISK should be able to delete any partition of
 JdBP> any type, as long as the partition table itself is not
 JdBP> corrupted.

Perhaps it is corrupted.  That was a common problem on my ThinkPad when I had
both OS/2 and Win95 on it.  But still deleting everything and reformating
usually solved the problem at least temporarily.  Anyway with all the
suggestions to delete the whole MBR, I would think something should work.

 Jd\bp> Try

 JdBP> [A:\]FDISK /DISK:D /NAME:NNNNN /FSTYPE:H0B /DELETE

 JdBP> You must look up the disk D and the name NNNNN using FDISK
 JdBP> /QUERY.

I Forwarded your original msg to Dave Davidson.

                 Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                              andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      31-Oct-99 20:43:10
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard,

28-Oct-99 22:05:50, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> When he deletes the partition all options become greyed-out.

 JdBP> By the way, you might do well to tell your friend that the
 JdBP> normal behaviour of FDISK is that when the last partition on a
 JdBP> drive is deleted all options *are* greyed out, *except two*:
 JdBP> "Create partition" and "Install Boot Manager"

I hope he is reading all of this thread.  Seems to me he said those 2 were
greyed out when he got back into FDISK the 2nd time after a delete effort.
Right now I can't remember what options he said he had immediately after a
delete effort.  Before I started this thread, I told him he could just ship
the HDs to me and I would clean them.  If he does that, then I will know for
sure.  At the moment I feel like I'm in an odd position in the middle of this
situation.  I know what to look for during installation, and did identify at
least part of why it was failing.  But without the HDs here there could be
other circumstances.  The main advantage of my starting this thread may be
that we have finally got Dave Davidson to post a msg in here, instead of just
lurking like he has probably been doing for years.  There were some other odd
details of what FDISK reported about size before and after the delete efforts
and before and after the reboot.  But I didn't take detailed notes about that.
Maybe Dave Davidson will let us know more of the details.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      31-Oct-99 21:02:21
  To: George White                                      31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: Newbie

 George White,

29-Oct-99 08:56:50, George White wrote to Andy Roberts
 GW> On 25-Oct-99, Andy Roberts wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:
          Subject: Newbie

 LRM>>>> The limit on logical drives is simply the letters of the
 LRM>>>> alphabet (for drive designations) left over after all the
 LRM>>>> primary partitions have been assigned.  That is true for DOS,
 LRM>>>> all flavors of Windows and OS/2.

 LE>>>> Actually, under at least some versions of DOS the limits are a
 LE>>>> bit broader. We had a LAN that ran under DOS 2.x. And you could
 LE>>>> not only have drives A-Z, but also @:, [:, and ]: I'm not sure
 LE>>>> if it allowed \:, ^: or _:.

 MR>>> Type "]:" at an OS/2 CMD prompt.

 AR>> Also these:

 GW> <snip>

 AR>> That is 23 more than A-Z.  But I already know by default OS/2
 AR>> auto-assigned drive designators crap out at Z.  So how can we get
 AR>> OS/2 to auto-assign such a partition?

 GW> You've gone the wrong route. OS/2 can only support drives up to
 GW> drive number 31,

Humm... That's more than I have ever been able to get it to auto-assign.

 GW> the HPFS file system reserves the first 5 bits of the 32 bit sector
 GW> number to identify the drive, the remaining 27 bits identify the sector
 GW> within the drive, giving the max HPFS volume size of 64 Gig.

 GW> I would expect the drive letter sequence to
 GW> be:-'X','Y','Z','[','\',']','^','_'.

Perhaps the clue lies in the IFS being assigned.  In my case the drives beyond
Z were always a CDROM or CDR.  In that case they simply failed.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      31-Oct-99 22:14:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: Re: Extended Attributes

 Linda Proulx,

29-Oct-99 14:11:43, Linda Proulx wrote to Murray Lesser
 LP> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: Extended Attributes

 ML>> either you get a good textbook about OS/2, or (better yet)
 ML>> install it,

 LP> Nothing found in the used book stores yet.

If you AreaFix the TEAMOS2 echo, then you will see that just about every week
there is a msg posting a list of various used OS/2 books and even used Warp4
OS available from eBay auction on the net.  Of course bidding on eBay does
require Internet access, so find a good friend.  IMO the trick to winning a
bid is to wait until the last 15 minutes of the auction to start bidding and
place a reasonable ceiling bid of $1 more than any amount divisible by 5.
Don't get auction fever, since I have seen some used stuff go for more than
new prices.  Check the prices on pricewatch.com or amazon.com before you bid.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Oct-99 19:59:00
  To: JACK STEIN                                        31-Oct-99 18:15:02
Subj: File Systems

Some senseless babbling from Jack Stein to Mike Ruskai
on 10-28-99  17:40 about File Systems...

 JS> Mike Ruskai wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
 
 AR>While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
 >can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.
 JS> 
 JS> uses.  If I recall correctly, HPFS generally takes about 7 megs of
 JS> space for whatever it is doing, I don't know what FAT uses, but to me,
 JS> that would be the only issue.   

 <snip>
 MR> So, for a 100MB ZIP disk, HPFS would be using about the
 MR> following: 
 
 MR> 1,021,605 bytes for the directory band
 MR>    26,624 bytes for freespace bitmaps
 MR>    51,200 bytes for hotfix sectors
 MR>    10,240 bytes for structures at beginning
 MR>     4,096 bytes for bitmap and hotfix lists
 MR> ----------
 MR> 1,113,765 bytes total

 JS> Thanks Mike, that was a lot of good and interesting info I don't
 JS> believe I've seen before.  A definite save to my HPFS.txt file.

Pretty much all of it is available at http://www.edm2.com/

Under the Meta index, click on OS/2, then page down a couple times until
you see six articles on HPFS.  That was my primary source of information.

Of course, the above number doesn't account for the area that HPFS seems to
just lose, which going by what Murray wrote, is still 4096 sectors for a
ZIP disk.  Even a 10MB HPFS drive (I made two 10MB primary HPFS drives to see
how the partition table would look) has 443 free but unreachable sectors
(an odd number).

And keep in mind that the directory band figure is an approximation.  I've
not yet found any absolute formula to calculate its size.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 10:45:05
  To: George White                                      31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: Linux

Hello George,

25 Oct 99 08:06, George White wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

GW> PM (_Presentation_ Manager) is the underlying graphical support

I haven't programmed PM / WPS programs, that's why I don't remember this at
detail level.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 11:46:03
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: File Systems

Hello Leonard,

28 Oct 99 00:05, Leonard Erickson wrote to Peter Knapper:

LE>> At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95 style
LE>> long file names.

PK>> NO!!! We certainly DONT want a kludge like that thank-you!

I agree with Peter. :)

LE> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware. Netware
LE> creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access such files.
LE> The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor "settable" (at
LE> least in my version of Netware).

I have no reason to think it's technically impossible to write a driver that
does this or something like this. So I think it's technically possible to
write a driver that does this or something like this.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Oct-99 11:51:19
  To: Jack Pfisterer                                    31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: NumLock

Hello Jack,

28 Oct 99 05:05, Jack Pfisterer wrote to Dan Egli:

JP> You are questioning IBM's opinion that your NUMLOCK should be off?

Numlock should be ON, that's my opinion. I don't need two sets of keys for
cursor movement.

JP> What I use is from the WILLUTIL package of OS/2 utilities by Will E.
JP> Rose, 1218 Leith Ave., Waukegan, IL  60085

Could you email the shareware version to me (my email address is at the
bottom) ?  Thanks in advance.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    31-Oct-99 08:48:22
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: long lines

Hello Rodrigo,

30 Oct 99 05:14, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> Golded support msgbase without BBS?

Yes, Golded supports several types of messagebases (Squish, Hudson, JAM, and
more).
I use the Squish type for my messagebase. I don't have a BBS.

ET>> All of them support copy & paste in one way or another (text mode
ET>> programs automatically because that is built into the windowed
ET>> session).

RB> It is not that this way in fullscreen. I like fs or PM.

Fullscreen doesn't has the support like a windowed session for copy/cut/paste. 
Maybe there are programs with support for copy/paste in any textmode session
(like Snipper for DOS).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    31-Oct-99 08:55:23
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Rodrigo,

30 Oct 99 05:14, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> I haven't used nftp, I use wget to get files from internet

RB> NFTP 1.53 works well with emx9d but NFTP 1.41 dont.

Is this version number about nftp? I know wget has this version number, I
don't know about nftp. Since 1.53 is greater than 1.41 this implies v1.53 is a 
newer version than v1.41, so why don't you use v1.53?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    31-Oct-99 09:00:11
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: help please?

Hello Rodrigo,

30 Oct 99 05:14, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> & a video mode of 2000x1600? 8) SDD supports it well.

The highest video resolution is not workable if the hardware (videocard,
monitor, mainboard, main memory and cpu) is not up to its task.

A fast videocard is a must for high resolutions (a slow videocard is too slow
for high resolutions), in general a fast videocard also has more memory. The
monitor must handle well the resolution you want to use. The mainboard, the
main memory and cpu provide the performance in general, a slow system is still 
a slow system with a faster videocard for example.

Try & see for your self. :)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    31-Oct-99 09:25:15
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

Hello Rodrigo,

30 Oct 99 05:14, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> The fear is the number of cc being get by some cracker.

That is a real danger.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    31-Oct-99 09:26:07
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: faxworks

Hello Rodrigo,

30 Oct 99 05:14, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> Not from a file, printing or typing (text) to it

RB> But & clipboard? I dont tried it.

Not with just the clipboard, but whatever is in the clipboard you can always
save that into a file and print that file to the faxworks driver.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    31-Oct-99 11:17:00
  To: Dave Davidson                                     31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hello Dave,

28 Oct 99 19:20, Dave Davidson wrote to Andy Roberts:

AR>>>> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b"
AR>>>> FAT32 partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is
AR>>>> similar to a type "F" partition.

What is:
- the OS/2 version?
- the manufacturing date of your BIOS?

DD> The Seagate drive is the one that poses the greatest problem as it
DD> refuses to allow Bootmanager to be installed, and will allow OS/2's
DD> FDISK to delete partitions, but not create any.

Have you tried to boot OS/2 from its install floppies and run fdisk from
there?
Or boot DOS from floppy and zero out the entire MBR?

DD> Additionally, I used a utility from Seagates version of DiskManager,
DD> to write 0's to the entire drive. Again, no go.

I never had this problem, but what I understood from earlier messages about
similar problems, if DOS is booted from the harddisk, that Diskmanager always
gets in the way: under DOS, Diskmanager redirects disk writes to other sectors 
than what the software see.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Nick Andre                                        31-Oct-99 16:25:22
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 20:03:22
Subj: MP3's

Hi!

I need two utilities:

- Something to capture from the LINE-IN port on my Sound Blaster Pro and write 

  to a 44khz WAV file... WITHOUT relying on MMOS/2.

- A simple utility to change the descriptions inside an MP3 itself.

I don't have Internet, but I can file-request (FREQ) from anyone.

Thanks!


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From: Ron Nicholls                                      31-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    31-Oct-99 00:00:00
Subj: Re: Confirmation Needed

CG>     It all depends on how the diskette is formatted.  Normal
CG> floppy diskettes  can only be FAT.  So you don't have to worry about
CG> that.
CG> 
CG>     ZIP disks, OTOH, can be formatted HPFS.  If they are, OS/2 will be
able to
CG> read them, DOS will not.

How do you format a zip, hpfs,charles?


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From: Ron Nicholls                                      31-Oct-99 00:00:01
  To: Will Honea                                        31-Oct-99 00:00:01
Subj: Netscape and Java

WH> RN> I bit the bullet and downloaded netscape 461
WH> RN> and java 118 and proceeded into difficulties.
WH> 
WH> the runtime with unicode support so you got what it says.  There's
WH> another 64 meg or so if you want the full toolkit, swing,
WH> security, etc.  Unless you intend to develop programs, you got what
WH> you need. 

Upon careful reading, Will, you seem to have answered
all my problems.

I'll stop worrying and relax :-)

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From: Ron Nicholls                                      31-Oct-99 00:00:02
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 00:00:02
Subj: 2.1

It was one of those bright sunday afternoons but cold in the wind,
when I was hunting around in an old wardrobe and stumbled
across a box of "2.1 for Windows" blue spine and thought, HEY!
what the heck.

I had a spare drive, in a caddy, and we were off and and running

Do you remember ? -


After disk 4 you reinsert the disks installation and one
before continuing with the rest.
I wondered why the disk images weren't stored
in a temp directory to avoid this?

The properties / settings notebook was accessed
from the "Open" cascade menu.

The windows had no close button, I got caught 
diving for the top right corner every time :-)

There was a start button at the top of the desktop
which opened the online manual

Maybe an MS contribution


The productivity folder contained, among other things

database
spreadsheet
charting program
the usual planners/calender

*** the above got included into Works later on ***

sticky notes  ( remember them )
tune editor  ( I don't remember that one )



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From: Ron Nicholls                                      31-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        31-Oct-99 00:00:00
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

LA>  LA> Is there anyone out there with a copy of OS/2 2.x that's loaded on
LA>  LA> a machine? If so, could you tell me how IBM handled the SysLevel
LA>  LA> thing in that version?
LA>    Could you just confirm for me that there is a file named 
LA>    SYSLEVEL.OS2 in the \OS2\INSTALL directory?
LA> 

How interesting that you should ask

I have OS/2 2.1  for windows "blue" loaded
and Yes, there is.

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From: Jan Deboer                                        31-Oct-99 06:58:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             31-Oct-99 23:28:18
Subj: Questions...

On 30 Oct 99  05:14:50 Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Jan Deboer...

 JD> Is that a typo for LaserCommander? Sounds like a Norton Commander
 JD> style manager. Thanks for the info - I'll look for it, although, at
 JD> least for now, File Freedom has made me quite happy!

 RB> No, it is typo for LarsenCommander. NC is weak compared with it.

 RB> http://home.sol.no/~leilarse/lcmd/index.html
 RB> ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/shell/lcmd0981.zip

Ok - thanks for the help!


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From: James Mckenzie                                    29-Oct-99 17:44:06
  To: David Noon                                        31-Oct-99 23:28:18
Subj: Computer History

Hello David!

25 Oct 99 17:52, David Noon wrote to Leonard Erickson:

 DN> In a message dated 10-23-99, Leonard Erickson said to Dirk Stuijfzand
 DN> about "Computer History"

 DN> Hi Leonard,

 DS>> (Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter
 DS>> data into computers)

 LE>> Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
 LE>> mainframe.

 DN> That was, of course, the paper tape bootstrap so that the disk
 DN> bootstrap could be read through the paper tape reader on the side of
 DN> the ASR 33 TTY that was used as a system console. I was still a mere
 DN> slip of a boy the last time I did that.

 LE>> And as far as card punching goes, how many of you know what a "drum
 LE>> card" for a keypunch does?

 DN> Oh yes. I think I can still recall the multi-punches for the IBM 029
 DN> drum program fields.

I do.  Used an IBM 026 Card Punch to do FORTRAN programs for an IBM 1401 (or
something like that).  Lot's o fun as it did not have parenthesis and other
"special" punctuation keys.  Only took about 10 minutes to boot up the system.

Now, I do c/C++ much faster...

James

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From: Dan Egli                                          31-Oct-99 15:09:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 -=> Quoting Holger Granholm to Dan Egli <=-

 HG>

 HG> In a message dated 10-27-99, Dan Egli said to Jonathan De Boyne
 HG> Pollard:
 DE>As a matter of fact, I was planning on slowly downloading the Hobbes
 DE>archive and burning it to a CD. If people are interested, I may sell
 DE>copies of the burn to those who want them. The CDs could be BBS
 DE>ready, if desired.

 HG> Hello Dan,

 HG> First question is: Do you know what "BBS ready" meant on the previous
 HG> Walnut Creek CD's and how it was implemented?

All the "BBS READY" CD-Roms I've seen come with each diectory containing a
files.bbs for the files. files.bbs is the most common denominator for BBS
file bases, so I think that would be sufficent.


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From: Dan Egli                                          31-Oct-99 15:09:00
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Dan Egli <=-

 DE> The CDs could be BBS ready, if desired.

 JdBP> If you need them, I have a suite of REXX scripts that will download
 JdBP> the Hobbes 00GLOBAL.TXT file, convert it into the appropriate FILES.BBS
 JdBP> files in the appropriate subdirectories, and then convert the FILES.BBS
 JdBP> files into attached ".SUBJECT" extended attributes attached to each
 JdBP> file and directory in order to yield descriptions for them in 4OS2 and
 JdBP> the file objects' properties notebooks in the Workplace Shell.

Sounds good!
 JdBP> I've posted two of the scripts in the OS2REXX echo in the past.

I'm going to have to grab them. :>

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From: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 16:54:13
  To: Will Honea                                        01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 WH> I'll answer, despite the last bit...  Warp Connect has full
 WH> Peer-to-Peer facilities (Peer server, Lan requester, plus full
 WH> protocol and transport facilities).  It will network quite well with

Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an OS/2 unit &
a DOS unit?

Anon,

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 16:57:08
  To: Peter Knapper                                     01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Hi Linda,


 PK> You really want to do it the hard way dont you.....;-) OS/2 Warp

What can I say.  The old unit will not be able to run OS/2.  The bios is
too old.

 PK> using the Dos Requestor package. SMB environments include OS/2 Peer,
 PK> *nix SAMBA, etc, so you should be able to get something working.

Any chance of making this work with a laplink type of connection?

 PK> I hope this helps.........pk.

Yes it does.  Thank you.


Anon,

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 16:58:11
  To: Andrew Belov                                      01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Re: Questions Again ,-)

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Andrew Belov wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AB> achieved with Windows driver. Moreover, it seems to be highly
 AB> chipset-dependent, so a patch was needed to make it work perfectly with
 AB> my PC Chips chipset.

Did you create it yourself?

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 17:13:13
  To: George White                                      01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Re: Swap Question

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> George White wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GW> The ideal situation if you have a smallish old drive is to use it as
 GW> a dedicated swap drive.

Have a 3+ & a 2+ G drives.  Won't work like that.  Planning to use 2 1G
partitions for the OS & it's programs.  Would a 500 mb partition be too
big, too small?  I have a 500 mb partition & could use that maybe.  FAT
or HPFS better?

Anon,

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 17:14:28
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Re: Extended Attributes

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Murray Lesser:

 RJT> But I can also understand Murray's comment about installing it,  as
 RJT> there are *LOADS* of online "books" and document files and the
 RJT> tutorial.  Try it!

Am planning to.  Just got an offer of 'OS/2 Unleashed' with CDROM.

Anon,

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 17:17:10
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> care to try that. The sorts of networking supported by "connect" are
 RJT> both TCP/IP stuff and SMB stuff (what windoze uses).  You can get some
 RJT> TCP/IP support under dos with the NCSA telnet package (let me know if
 RJT> you need that pkg),  which includes an ftp client.

Have the lan cards & coax cable.  I guess I will need the package.  I
trust I won't have to load windows on the DOS unit?

Anon,

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 17:38:23
  To: Will Honea                                        01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: Re: OS/2 Backup Program

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Will Honea wrote to Albert Sodyl <=-

 WH> still wanting HPFS386, be forewarned that recovery of drives with
 WH> HPFS386 installed is very dicey - ranging from a real PITA to
 WH> impossible!

Is this different from HPFS?

Anon,

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Gord Hannah                                       31-Oct-99 08:13:21
  To: Will Honea                                        01-Nov-99 04:31:15
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Replying to a message from Will Honea 1:109/347 to Dave Davidson,

About M$ "screw you" FAT32, On Sat Oct 30 1999

WH> tracked this to was a @#$%^ boot sector virus on the HD - it was
WH> brand new, purchased with WIN98 installed from a reputable dealer,

Makes sense to me the he may be infected with the biggest virus unleashed to
the computer community called Windows..:-)

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Murray Lesser                                     31-Oct-99 14:46:01
  To: Holger Granholm                                   31-Oct-99 14:46:01
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-30-99, Holger Granholm to Murray
Lesser)

Hi Holger--

ML> If you have telnet (I use vmodem), see the telnet address on the
ML> origin line, below. I believe that most files are available for

HG>Nope, and will probably not acquire it either with the decline in BBS
  >activity. I know that I probably could have slowed the decline if I
  >had got a direct connect to an ISP early enough.

    VMODEM is part of the SIO package.  It acts as both telnet client
and telnet server, so you can both download and upload files through it.

ML> free download to all "registered" (no fee) users who come in by
ML> telnet or by direct dial-up. (The US dial-up telephone number is
ML> 703-242-4482, but I assume that you would not be interested in
ML> using it.)

HG>You can bet on that.

ML>     Pete once told me that he doesn't believe in ftp.

HG>Well, it's up to him I guess. I like to FTP rather than using the
  >browser.

    So do I.  As far as I am concerned, using a browser for anything is
a last resort, to be avoided if at all possible.  But (fortunately) I am
not running Pete's BBS.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     31-Oct-99 14:51:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      31-Oct-99 14:51:02
Subj: Get Going

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-29-99, Linda Proulx to Murray Lesser,
  original topic: Extended Attributes)

Hi Linda--

 ML>     If I might make a suggestion:  You are never going to learn all you
 ML> should know by the process you are using: throwing out a question every
 ML> time you run across an OS/2 term you don't recognize.  I suggest that

LP>True, but I can't just let these terms go by when I see them.  Also,
  >I want to get beyond the "a liitle knowledge is dangerous" period
  >soon.

    One never gets beyond that period :-).  Even though some people
think that they have.  That is why a few of the answers you get to your
queries here don't make much sense :-).

 ML> either you get a good textbook about OS/2, or (better yet) install it,

LP>Nothing found in the used book stores yet.

    Try the public library.  Especially try (if available) the section
in the Public Library that sells their old (and donated) books.

    Better, just install OS/2 and start really learning by trial and
error.  There is a pretty good tutorial and lots of "help" files, some
of which actually do help.  If nothing else, you will have a better idea
as to what questions to ask and how to interpret the answers, after you
have tried a few things and pondered over the strange results.  Assume
that you are going to repartition and reinstall a few times during the
learning process, so don't worry too much about getting it right the
first time.  It is fairly hard to do any real damage under OS/2,
especially if you avoid "DEL *.*" commands and keep good backups <VBG>.

    Regards,

        --Murray
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From: Lee Aroner                                        31-Oct-99 16:58:00
  To: John Angelico                                     01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: StarOffice

JA> On 26/10/1999, Lee Aroner said to John Angelico about StarOffice:

JA> Hi there Lee.

LA>   > A drastic solution. Maybe if you could explain a little more about the
LA>   > exact problem you might get a simpler solution here.
LA> 
LA>    Like he says, HTML docs always open in SO, regardless of the 
LA>    association setting. It's similar to the GIF > Picture Viewer 
LA>    thing. No idea what the solution is...
LA> 
  > But I still suggest that a bit more detail might help to focus our
  > attention on a solution.

   Apparently it changed the assoc for text/html to "Starwriter HTML 
   Document", which means that you have to individually change each 
   and every object, by hand, back to it's desired type. What a 
   PITA!

   You'd think the developers of a program would want to foster 
   goodwill towards their program, instead of p***ing the user 
   off...

                                       LRA


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From: James Mckenzie                                    31-Oct-99 17:07:14
  To: John Thompson                                     01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: StarOffice

Hello John!

29 Oct 99 09:55, John Thompson wrote to Lee Aroner:

 JT> In a message to John Angelico, Lee Aroner wrote re: StarOffice

 LA>>    Like he says, HTML docs always open in SO, regardless of the
 LA>>    association setting. It's similar to the GIF > Picture Viewer
 LA>>    thing. No idea what the solution is...

 JT> Not here.  They open in Web Explorer, just like the way the
 JT> association is set.  Using Warp v3 FP38 with StarOffice v5.1a
 JT> installed.

I just started StarOffice 5.1a and it asked me if I wanted to associate SO
with HTML files.  The checkbox was checked and I "unchecked" it.  The other
item is to use the internet with SO, and I checked that box.  That seems to
work here.

James

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From: Jack Stein                                        30-Oct-99 17:08:09
  To: Sean Dennis                                       01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: Weird windows...

following up a message from Eddy Thilleman to Sean Dennis:

SD> For some weird reason, when I open my VIO windows, they all come up
SD> minimized... I have to maximize them to be able to see them
SD> completely.  I've checked the properties of the 'main' window object
SD> in the Command Prompts folder in OS/2 System and all looks well.  Any
SD> suggestions?

 ET> The only thing I can think of now is that you somehow made
 ET> the minimized state the default for all windowed sessions,
 ET> if that's the case then I think this should cure it: open
 ET> one windowed session, make sure it is not minimized, then
 ET> doubleclick on the titlebar. The doubleclick on the titlebar
 ET> saves the 'state' (='minimized' or 'normal' or 'maximized')
 ET> and the position of the upper left corner, which becomes the
 ET> new default for all windowed textmode sessions. 

I think you may need to hold down the ALT key when doing this.  I prefer to
set the MAXIMIZED=YES setting in the object itself.  If you have my
GETSET.cmd, this is not too hard.  Just look up the ObjectID, have GetSet save 
it to a CMD file to recreate the object, and add the MAXIMIZED=YES to the
settings, then run the command file.  Works every time...  I like to do things 
the hard way for some reason.:-)

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From: Jack Stein                                        30-Oct-99 17:14:21
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Eddy Thilleman wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 ET> Hello Linda,

 ET> 25 Oct 99 13:38, Linda Proulx wrote to Holger Granholm:

HG>> First thing is that you do have the same settings in the OS/2
HG>> autoexec.bat that are required in the DOS autoexec.bat.

 ET> autoexec.bat is solely used by the DOS environment,
 ET> startup.cmd fulfills that role in the OS/2 environment.

Also, you don't need all the same settings in the OS/2 DOS startup file.  For
example, you don't need or want any of the sound card settings in there, OS/2
handles that for it's DOS sessions.

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From: Jack Stein                                        31-Oct-99 07:36:08
  To: Andy Roberts                                      01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: Warp 3 install

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:

 HG> Still running DOS programs from 1988 like the previously mentioned
 HG> BOTH.

 AR> LOL.. strange you should mention BOTH.  

 AR> I very recently opened that up again, having used it many years 
 AR> ago.  

Hey, I used to run that too.  Very nice print utility.

 AR> I was looking for a quick way to add blank spaces for a left
 AR> margin.

I use GAWK or SED.  

GAWK '{print "   "$0}' file.txt >lpt1  

AWK is one of the greatest text processing utes made.  That line tells GAWK to
print some spaces "   ", then then each line ($0) in file.txt, and send it to
the printer.  $0 is the whole line, $1...$NF is the first space seperated word 
in the line through $NF, with $NF being the Number of Fields in each line, or, 
the last field in a line.  You can do damn near anything with a text file with 
AWK.    Thats about as easy as it gets.  

Look for:
GAWK304D.ZIP   GAWK Documentation (926K)
GAWK304X.ZIP   GAWK Text Processing Language for OS/2, DOS and WIN32. (435K)

I use an earlier version than the above, but I figure this one works.  You
need EMX installed to run it in OS/2.  GREP, SED and AWK are the three most
useful UNIX utilities made, you can do tons of neat stuff with them.

                                                  Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        31-Oct-99 08:06:29
  To: Ian Moote                                         01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Ian Moote wrote in a message to Andy Roberts:

AR> DD> Can ya send it to _ME_ as well.

Me too Ian.  I want to get this stuff before Y2K probably disconnects me from
FIDO land.  

AR> But don't expect OS/2 FDISK to be able to delete the type "b" FAT32
AR> partition, because OS/2 was released before FAT32 existed, so OS/2
AR> does not know how to deal with it.

 IM> ??? Do you know something about this "type b" partition that
 IM> I don't?  Why do you think that OS/2 won't delete it?

This is something I really am interested in.  If Fdisk knows it's a partition, 
of x size, of y type, then why would it NOT be able to delete it?  I have a
sneaky suspicion that something else is going on, but no basis for that
suspicion.  

I've had some wierd problems with FDISK and hard-drives in my history but
always managed to work through them some how, but never remember exactly what
I did.  I remember once I HAD to use the text version, once I had to do a cold 
boot, not a warm boot for things to work, stuff like that.  Also recall having 
forgotton to change the jumpers on a drive, forgotten to change the drive
paramaters, and other such non-sense.  I've had situation where what I wanted
to do was blanked out, can't remember why anymore, but it was all user
problems understanding how things worked. Fart around enough and things work.

Thinking that MS did some nasty thing, or that OS/2 just couldn't do something 
never crossed my mind, and generally leads one to not getting things working.  
          
                                                     Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        31-Oct-99 08:27:16
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: Why to use FAT instead of HPFS

Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> I agree that using an IOMEGA zip disk for one big backup file might be
 JS> smart to use FAT, but other than that, and really small disks like a
 JS> floppy, FAT is just not a good filesystem to use. 

 JDBP> I don't know about yours, but *my* floppy discs hold 120MeB.
 JDBP>  Does that still qualify as "really small" ?  (-:

No, thats really large, for a floppy.  Really small is 1.44 and 1.2MeB, that I 
have here:-)

 JDBP> ( And yes, it *would* be nice if IBM were to come out with a
 JDBP> version of OS/2 Warp that allowed one to use HPFS on 120MeB
 JDBP> floppy discs ... ) 

I thought you could do that on those funky zip drives, or whatever they are
called?  

Speaking of drives, is there anyway to fix a HDD controller on a drive?  I
have a Seagate 2 gig drive that lost its controller, whatever that is.  Thats
the first HD failure I've had since around 1985 when my 10 meg "winchester"
drive failed...  I've run all WD drives though, had very good luck with those
suckers.  Had to put my WD 400MeB drive back in that already has 8 years of
24/7 service under it's belt.  The used Seagate that died has to be newer than 
the WD that I had to replace it with, probably has a hell of a lot less hours
on it too.  

                                           Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        31-Oct-99 08:55:12
  To: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: Re: Manual?

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:

 LP>    Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> Very good. I always read the manual a night or two before installing
 HG> new software or hw.

 LP> So do I, but the OS/2 one ptreety bare.

The above practice is strickly FORBIDDEN in FIDOLAND!!!

Please stop this aberant behavior immediately...

                                              Jack 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     29-Oct-99 18:49:08
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:

 CV> 20 Oct 99 18:40, Holger Granholm wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 RW>>> What is the .5??
 HG>> It could be v4.0 GA with FP5 applied. <BG>
 CV>>    Nope, it's a LS for e-Business. Aurora project.
 HG> Cyrill, you didn't happen to note the "<BG>" on the end?
 CV>     Yeap, but what is <BG>? So, I don't understand :|

(BG) stands for  "Big Grin"

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     29-Oct-99 18:55:10
  To: Andy Roberts                                      01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hi Andy,

I have got rid of a number FAT32 partions with DOS 6.22 and 6.0 fdisk, with
out any problems, tho if I remember correctly it might be nessasary to also do 
a "fdisk /mbr"

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Peter Knapper                                     01-Nov-99 19:43:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 08:17:23
Subj: Re: Network

Hi LInda,

 PK> using the Dos Requestor package. SMB environments include OS/2 Peer,
 PK> *nix SAMBA, etc, so you should be able to get something working.

 LP> Any chance of making this work with a laplink type of connection?

I haven't tried it myself, but I understand that one of the MPTS options
allows for the connection of 2 machines using either the Serial or Parallel
ports.

Cheers........pk.


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From: Ian Moote                                         31-Oct-99 18:42:00
  To: ANDY ROBERTS                                      01-Nov-99 13:20:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

AR> IM> -----<andy@shentel.com>
AR>
AR> My E-Mail address as seen below my sig is not *.com but
AR> andy@shentel.net

Oh! I was thinking ".net" but I must have typed in ".com" by habit! 
Sorry about that. Will try it again.


AR> AR>> But don't expect OS/2 FDISK to be able to delete the type "b"
AR> AR>> FAT32 partition, because OS/2 was released before FAT32
AR> AR>> existed, so OS/2 does not know how to deal with it.
AR>
AR> IM> ??? Do you know something about this "type b" partition that I
AR> IM> don't? Why do you think that OS/2 won't delete it?
AR>
AR> Because while I was on the voice phone with Dave Davidson, he
AR> attempted to use FDISK to delete what was reported as a type "b"
AR> partition.  He then used "Save and Exit" FDISK which forced him to
AR> reboot.  When he got into FDISK again the type "b" partition was
AR> right back where it was before.

Such is obvious, but why would you _expect_ FDisk to behave that way 
simply because it doesn't know what a type B partition is? All partition 
types are stored in the MBR in the same manner and in the same format. 
Switching from one type of partition to another is literally a matter of 
changing one byte in the partition's entry (then re-formatting, of 
course).


AR> While my personal experience with FAT32 is very limited, I think
AR> that behavior has been reported by others.

Oh? Interesting.


AR> Although FDISK does not
AR> say type "b" is a FAT32 partition, I found a web site that lists
AR> what is probably over 100 different partition ID types.

Would you be so kind as to pass on that URL? That information would be 
handy in my business.


AR> IM> [:DDD At least you know something of human nature!! [:D
AR>
AR> LOL... I've watched him play that game before.  When he gets stuck,
AR> he all too quickly pulls out his WinXX install CD looking for a
AR> solution, but not acknowledging that M$ is really the cause of the
AR> problem instead.

[:))) What I was thinking of was the marketing strategy of relieving a 
customer of his "plan B". [:) People are lazy. If they plug something in 
and it doesn't work the first time they take it out, put the old one 
back in, and return it saying that it "doesn't work". If you relieve 
them of their old unit then you are forcing them to put a lot more 
effort into making it work. [:)

Sorry about the E-Mail address. Take care and TTYL.

---
  Transvestite: A man who wants to eat, drink, and be Mary.                  
      

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      29-Oct-99 22:20:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      01-Nov-99 16:24:24
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Hey LINDA PROULX, what's up?

LINDA PROULX was heard grumbling this to ALL about Confirmation Needed!

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
 LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
 LP> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the OS/2
 LP> drive that OS/2 can read it.

The answer to both your questions is yes (as I have experienced it).

 LP> -!- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.31

What horrible thing did you do to be captured in an MS-DOS environment?


 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  What is this? Do you have a problem?                BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      29-Oct-99 22:27:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      01-Nov-99 16:24:24
Subj: Re: Phoenix

Hey LINDA PROULX, what's up?

LINDA PROULX was heard grumbling this to MURRAY LESSER about Re: Phoenix!

  -=> Murray Lesser wrote to Will Honea <=-

 ML>> Does it recover the EAs?  v 1.33 doesn't.  GammaTech UnDelete
 ML>> does.

 LP> What are EAs?

I call them "Extended Attributes", the extra information in a file, such as
the long file name and such :)



 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  Nothing beats sleeping in.                          BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      30-Oct-99 14:41:00
  To: ALL                                               01-Nov-99 16:24:24
Subj: WinOS2 with Warp v3

Hey ALL, what's up?


I was wondering wether I could install Warp v3 Red Box over my OS/2 2.1 and
still keep the Win-OS2 that came with it.  I'm stuck depending on windows
programs right now :(

Can the Warp v3 Red Box use the winos2 that came with OS/2 2.1?  Or do I
have go and buy windows for work groups or windows 3.1?





 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  Gotta hate the internet.  grrr.....                 BC

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From: Andy Roberts                                      01-Nov-99 18:29:05
  To: Dan Egli                                          01-Nov-99 16:24:24
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 Dan Egli,

31-Oct-99 15:09:01, Dan Egli wrote to Holger Granholm
 HG> In a message dated 10-27-99, Dan Egli said to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard:
          Subject: Hobbes CD-ROM

 DE>>> As a matter of fact, I was planning on slowly downloading the Hobbes
 DE>>> archive and burning it to a CD.  If people are interested, I may sell
 DE>>> copies of the burn to those who want them.  The CDs could be BBS ready,
 DE>>> if desired.

 DE> All the "BBS READY" CD-Roms I've seen come with each diectory
 DE> containing a files.bbs for the files. files.bbs is the most common
 DE> denominator for BBS file bases, so I think that would be
 DE> sufficent.

I would probably be interested in getting a copy from you.  How much $ ?

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      01-Nov-99 18:34:16
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         01-Nov-99 16:24:24
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 Jonathan De Boyne Pollard,

31-Oct-99 15:09:01, Dan Egli wrote to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard
          Subject: Hobbes CD-ROM

 DE>> The CDs could be BBS ready, if desired.

 JdBP>> If you need them, I have a suite of REXX scripts that will
 JdBP>> download the Hobbes 00GLOBAL.TXT file, convert it into the
 JdBP>> appropriate FILES.BBS files in the appropriate subdirectories,
 JdBP>> and then convert the FILES.BBS files into attached ".SUBJECT"
 JdBP>> extended attributes attached to each file and directory in
 JdBP>> order to yield descriptions for them in 4OS2 and the file
 JdBP>> objects' properties notebooks in the Workplace Shell.

 DE> Sounds good!

 JdBP>> I've posted two of the scripts in the OS2REXX echo in the past.

 DE> I'm going to have to grab them. :>

I really like the OS2REXX echo, but I haven't had time to keep up reading
since last Spring.  You mentioned "a suite of REXX scripts" which implies
several.  What I would like to do is start another file area on my BBS with
ALL of your REXX scripts, that you will allow to be public.  So would you
please send me what you can, a save me some time searching?

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      01-Nov-99 18:45:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 16:24:24
Subj: Re: Network

 Linda Proulx,

31-Oct-99 16:54:26, Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea
 LP> -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: Network

 WH>> Warp Connect has full Peer-to-Peer facilities (Peer server, Lan
 WH>> requester, plus full protocol and transport facilities).  It will
 WH>> network quite well

 LP> Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an OS/2
 LP> unit & a DOS unit?

---
Prlink20.Zip                    12-02-94          27,193
    Paralink v2.0 File Transfers via Parallel Ports
---

That prgm requires a modified Parallel Port cable, which is fairly easy to
make from any normal cable with the directions included in the archive.  I've
used that prgm several times.  Although it is not perfect, it always gets the
job done and is very fast.  It includes a dual split screen file manager that
shows both the local and remote machines.  It will also allow you to so some
basic maintenance such as create subdirectories and delete files.  And it will
do batch transfers.  The text mode GUI is so intuitive that you don't have to
memorize any obscure commands.  The major problem I've found with it is that
it does NOT have any transfer error correction, thus it will stop if it
encounters a error during throughput, and will not start over where it left
off in the middle of a file in the next session.  But that only happens with
very large files about 5% of the time.  It only stops the transfer not the
machine, so I just close the prgms on each machine and restart them again with
Icons, in a couple of seconds.  OTOH if the full size of the file does get
through then it is almost never corrupted.

Actually the problems with ParaLink are no worse than any of 3 or 4 other
similar prgms.  I think the problem is that parallel cables are susceptible to
noise if they are not shielded or are very long.

Also there is a commercial prgm called LapLink that is probably more polished.

Both of those are DOS.  The other prgms like DCC (Direct Cable Connection) is
for WinXX only, and LPTool is for OS/2 only.  All of them require a modified
Parallel cable and not all the cables are alike.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Francois Thunus                                   31-Oct-99 20:04:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   01-Nov-99 16:24:24
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

Hello Holger!

29 Oct 99 17:45, Holger Granholm wrote to Dan Egli:

 HG> First question is: Do you know what "BBS ready" meant on the previous
 HG> Walnut Creek CD's and how it was implemented?
it simply means that each directory holds a files.bbs file with the
descriptions of the files inside the directory.

                             -= Francois =-

Bald spot?  No -- solar panel for brain power

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Nov-99 11:46:04
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      01-Nov-99 22:01:07
Subj: 2.1

Ron Nicholls wrote in a message to All:

 RN> The windows had no close button, I got caught 
 RN> diving for the top right corner every time :-)

That one messed me up when I first encountered it in win9x contexts,  I'm too
used to double-clicking on the top _left_ corner,  which seems to work well in 
w3.x,  w9x,  and OS/2...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Nov-99 11:50:23
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Nov-99 22:01:07
Subj: Manual?

Jack Stein wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 JS> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:

 LP>    Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> Very good. I always read the manual a night or two before installing
 HG> new software or hw.

 LP> So do I, but the OS/2 one ptreety bare.

 JS> The above practice is strickly FORBIDDEN in FIDOLAND!!!

 JS> Please stop this aberant behavior immediately...

What,  typing messages while pretty bare?  (Heck of an image _that_ conjures
up...  :-)

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Nov-99 11:40:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 22:01:07
Subj: Network

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> care to try that. The sorts of networking supported by "connect" are
 RJT> both TCP/IP stuff and SMB stuff (what windoze uses).  You can get some
 RJT> TCP/IP support under dos with the NCSA telnet package (let me know if
 RJT> you need that pkg),  which includes an ftp client.

 LP> Have the lan cards & coax cable.  I guess I will need the 
 LP> package.  I trust I won't have to load windows on the DOS unit?

Not for that one.  You'll need to load a packet driver for the card,  but
that's about it.

TEL2308B.ZIP  795536 11-06-94  [    ] NCSA Telnet - includes finger,  ftp,
                               etc.

PKTD11.ZIP    433549 11-22-93  [    ] Release 11.x of the Crynwr Packet
                               Driver Collection
PKTD11C.ZIP    81514 12-14-93  [    ] Supplement to Release 11.x of the
                               Crynwr Packet Driver Collection The files in
                               this archive replace files in the 11.x release.

What network cards do you have?

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Nov-99 11:32:21
  To: Andy Roberts                                      01-Nov-99 22:01:07
Subj: Newbie

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to George White:

<...>

 AR>> That is 23 more than A-Z.  But I already know by default OS/2
 AR>> auto-assigned drive designators crap out at Z.  So how can we get
 AR>> OS/2 to auto-assign such a partition?

 GW> You've gone the wrong route. OS/2 can only support drives up to
 GW> drive number 31,

 AR> Humm... That's more than I have ever been able to get it to
 AR> auto-assign. 

 GW> the HPFS file system reserves the first 5 bits of the 32 bit sector
 GW> number to identify the drive, the remaining 27 bits identify the sector
 GW> within the drive, giving the max HPFS volume size of 64 Gig.

 GW> I would expect the drive letter sequence to
 GW> be:-'X','Y','Z','[','\',']','^','_'.

 AR> Perhaps the clue lies in the IFS being assigned.  In my case
 AR> the drives beyond Z were always a CDROM or CDR.  In that
 AR> case they simply failed. 

That last bit triggered a memory here,  about when I was installing Connect on 
_this_ box (which has a whole lot of smaller partitions on it).  At one point
I'd reached the stage of booting to OS/2,  and when I did it burped and
refused to continue.  I realized in there somewhere that my last HD partition
had become drive Z:,  and that the system wasn't seeing the cdrom at all.

Now,  one of the reasons for me wanting to run this stuff in the first place
was that HPFS would allow me to get away from the cluster size nonsense and
use fewer partitions anyhow,  but this has me wondering if there was perhaps
some way of me reaching the cdrom under that setup...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Nov-99 16:43:07
  To: Murray Lesser                                     01-Nov-99 22:01:07
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:

ML>     Pete once told me that he doesn't believe in ftp.

HG>Well, it's up to him I guess. I like to FTP rather than using the
  >browser.

 ML>     So do I.  As far as I am concerned, using a browser for 
 ML> anything is a last resort, to be avoided if at all possible.

While I too am rather down on the way the browser approach has been pushed to
the limit and then some,  and I really don't care for stuff like _email_ full
of HTML code,  I have come lately to see it as a useful tool in some respects. 
Primarily for its original intended uses -- linking together huge piles of
text,  like the doc files I've been trying to get organized lately.

Since I'd noticed that said doc files came in all sorts of formats,  a lot of
them in HTML,  I got acquainted with it and proceeded to build a page or two
so I could get at them.  The nicest part is that these reside on my Linux
server box and I can get at them from either the OS/2 box with Netscape or
with the w95 box and IE,  with similar results in either case.  It comes in
handy at times.

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From: Will Honea                                        01-Nov-99 20:03:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 20:03:01
Subj: Re: Network

Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 10-31-1999

LP> WH> I'll answer, despite the last bit...  Warp Connect has full
LP>  WH> Peer-to-Peer facilities (Peer server, Lan requester, plus full
LP>  WH> protocol and transport facilities).  It will network quite well with
LP> 
LP> Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an OS/2
LP> unit & a DOS unit? 

As a LAN hookup, I've never heard of that specific configuration.

OS/2 has drivers for parallel port LAN interface but I don't know
about the DOS LAN side.  I'll see if I have a legitimate copy of the
DOS LAN system here - I should have - and I'll put it on the CD if your
friend figures out how to get the stuff delivered.  I assume you have a
CDROM with multisession capability.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        01-Nov-99 20:07:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: OS/2 Backup Program

Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 10-31-1999

LP>  WH> still wanting HPFS386, be forewarned that recovery of drives with
LP>  WH> HPFS386 installed is very dicey - ranging from a real PITA to
LP>  WH> impossible!
LP> 
LP> Is this different from HPFS?

Yes, it's a high performance Server oriented file system.  It permits
larger caches, has superior security (a two-edged sword) and performs
very well under stress.  Legitimately, it comes with Warp Server
Advanced or as a separate product ($600) altho there are some copies of
earlier releases floating about in some of the archives.  Best advice I
have is if you don't know what it is and why you need it (without
asking) then don't mess with it.  It can bite you.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        01-Nov-99 20:17:03
  To: Lee Aroner                                        01-Nov-99 20:17:03
Subj: StarOffice

Lee Aroner wrote to John Angelico on 10-31-1999

LA>    Apparently it changed the assoc for text/html to "Starwriter
LA> HTML 
LA>    Document", which means that you have to individually change each 
LA>    and every object, by hand, back to it's desired type. What a 
LA>    PITA!
LA> 
LA>    You'd think the developers of a program would want to foster 
LA>    goodwill towards their program, instead of p***ing the user 
LA>    off...
 
Lee, it's much simpler just to de-register the blasted class.  One
shot, you're done.  I mentioned it before, but CLASSMAN (hobbes,
others) will walk you thru this in just a minute or so (and let you do
it again when you reinstall something else).
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        01-Nov-99 20:24:04
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Nov-99 20:24:04
Subj: Why to use FAT instead o

Jack Stein wrote to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard on 10-31-1999

JS> Speaking of drives, is there anyway to fix a HDD controller on a
JS> drive?  I  have a Seagate 2 gig drive that lost its controller, 
JS> whatever that is.  Thats the first HD failure I've had  since around
JS> 1985 when my 10 meg "winchester" drive  failed...  I've run all WD
JS> drives though, had very good  luck with those suckers.  Had to put
JS> my WD 400MeB drive  back in that already has 8 years of 24/7 service
JS> under it's  belt.  The used Seagate that died has to be newer than
JS> the  WD that I had to replace it with, probably has a hell of a  lot
JS> less hours on it too.   

Any chance it might still be under warranty?  I recall that Seagate
boasted a 5 year warranty on several models.

I get a bunch of drives thru here and have had mixed results with
swapping controllers.  Usually, the 'controller' problem has wound up
being blown spindle drivers which were taken out be mechanical problems
anyway so both sections were hosed.  Maybe one in four pairs will yield
a working drive for me. (still, that's better than nothing<g>) 

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        01-Nov-99 20:26:05
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      01-Nov-99 20:26:05
Subj: WinOS2 with Warp v3

Albert Sodyl wrote to ALL on 10-30-1999

AS> I was wondering wether I could install Warp v3 Red Box over my
AS> OS/2 2.1 and still keep the Win-OS2 that came with it.  I'm stuck
AS> depending on windows programs right now :(
AS> 
AS> Can the Warp v3 Red Box use the winos2 that came with OS/2 2.1? 
AS> Or do I have go and buy windows for work groups or windows 3.1?

There is a way to do that, but you'll have to go back to 1994 or 95
archives to find it.  As I recall from the messages, it wasn't really
too hard to do but I never tried it.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Holger Granholm                                   31-Oct-99 12:33:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 10-29-99, Andy Roberts said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Andy,

AR>LOL.. strange you should mention BOTH.  I very recently opened that
AR>up again, having used it many years ago.  I was looking for a quick
AR>way to add blank spaces for a left margin.

Of course it can be done with CPrint but it's quicker with BOTH ;-)
You said "a quick way" <BG>

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   31-Oct-99 12:33:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: Weird windows...

In a message dated 10-27-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Sean Dennis:

Hi Eddy,

ET>The only thing I can think of now is that you somehow made the
ET>minimized state the default for all windowed sessions, if that's the
ET>case then I think this should cure it: open one windowed session,
ET>make sure it is not minimized, then doubleclick on the titlebar. The
ET>doubleclick on the titlebar saves the 'state' (='minimized' or
ET>'normal' or 'maximized') and the position of the upper left corner,
ET>which becomes the new default for all windowed textmode sessions.

Thanks, saved it in case I would ever need it. Neat trick!

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   31-Oct-99 12:33:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: Msg Reader

In a message dated 10-30-99, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara said to All:

Hello Rodrigo,

RB>What are the options about msg reader?

RB>Multimail/2 & KWQ/2 are off already.

Then try MR2_226.ZIP.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Nov-99 12:44:01
  To: Holger Granholm                                   02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Holger!

26 Oct 99 20:14, Holger Granholm wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 HG>> Cyrill, you didn't happen to note the "<BG>" on the end?
 CV>>    Yeap, but what is <BG>? So, I don't understand :|
 HG> <BG> = Big Grin = big smile
    OK. I keep it in mind :)

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Nov-99 17:21:09
  To: Dan Egli                                          02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: FTP Server for Os/2

Hello Dan!

27 Oct 99 19:51, Dan Egli wrote to All:
 DE> I am getting ready to hook up to the Net full time (got a cable modem
 DE> on order) and I wanted to know what the best FTPD for Os/2 is, and
 DE> also if there is a better version of Sendmail than comes w/ Warp 4?
    FTP daemon and SMTP/POP3 daemon named Weasel. Both by Peter Moylan.
    http://www.ee.newcastle.edu.au/users/staff/peter/Moylan.html

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Nov-99 17:24:09
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: File Systems

Hello Linda!

29 Oct 99 13:40, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson:
 JT>> vfat_003.zip     184595 1998/02/09  Win'95 VFAT IFS for OS/2
           005 at least...
 JT>> os2fat32.zip     190408 1999/03/23  FAT32.IFS for OS/2 version
 JT>> 0.88
      0.90 at least
 LP> Where did these come from?
    From hobbes ;)
 LP> For both warps?
    Yes.
 LP> Where to get?
    I say... From hobbes :)
 LP> Part of Fixpaks?
    Nope :(

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Nov-99 17:28:15
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: long lines

Hello Rodrigo!

30 Oct 99 05:14, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
 ET>> Golded/2 is an offline fido message reader/editor, not part of a
 ET>> BBS. You don't need a BBS to use Golded, I don't have a BBS and I
 ET>> use Golded. It supports messagebase formats of a few BBS-programs
 ET>> but there is need to use them if you don't have them.
 RB> Golded support msgbase without BBS?
    Yes.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Nov-99 18:30:18
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: Network

Hello Linda!

31 Oct 99 16:54, Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea:
 WH>> I'll answer, despite the last bit...  Warp Connect has full
 WH>> Peer-to-Peer facilities (Peer server, Lan requester, plus full
 WH>> protocol and transport facilities).  It will network quite well
 WH>> with
 LP> Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an OS/2 unit
 LP> & a DOS unit?
    Of course. Parallel Port Adapter in MPTS.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Nov-99 18:32:04
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

Hello Linda!

31 Oct 99 17:38, Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea:
 WH>> still wanting HPFS386, be forewarned that recovery of drives with
 WH>> HPFS386 installed is very dicey - ranging from a real PITA to
 WH>> impossible!
 LP> Is this different from HPFS?
    Different. And can create troubles for impatient and newbies. It's a part
of IBM LAN Server/2. Main bonus of HPFS386 is using more than 2megz of cache. 
Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Jack Pfisterer                                    01-Nov-99 06:30:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: Re: NumLock

Hi, Eddy -

 ET> Numlock should be ON, that's my opinion. I don't need two sets
 ET> of keys for cursor movement.

I quite agree.  The only reason I can imagine for IBM choosing the
opposite default is their obsession with backward compatibility:
This keeps all those XT keyboards working properly :)  Still don't
understand why they have never at least allowed users an option.

 JP> What I use is from the WILLUTIL package of OS/2 utilities by
 JP> Will E. Rose, 1218 Leith Ave., Waukegan, IL  60085

 ET> Could you email the shareware version to me (my email address is
 ET> at the bottom) ?  Thanks in advance.

'fraid not.  Looks like I zapped the shareware version when I got the
registered set.

Just looked around and was pleasantly surprised to find it on Hobbes
in PUB\OS2\UTIL\SYSTEM  It's slightly newer (1995) than my 1994
version.

Jack P.
 
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From: Jack Pfisterer                                    01-Nov-99 12:34:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 00:11:26
Subj: Re: Network

 LP> Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an
 LP> OS/2 unit & a DOS unit?

A "null-modem" cable can be used between the SERIAL ports of two 
computers.  I'm using an excellent DOS shareware program, ZIP202,
to interconnect computers in an elementary school library.  That
setup is all DOS (DR-DOS, AAMOF), but it should work fine in a
VDM session on an OS/2 machine.  In fact the author was asking
for people to test just such a setup at the time I was installing
it.  (I offered to test a CP/M to OS/2 setup for him, but he never
responded :)

BTW, ZIP202 has nothing to do with PKZIP.  Its full name is "ZIP:
Fast File Transfer Utility".  Its author is Eric Meyer, 3541
Smuggler Way, Boulder, Colorado 80303.  At the time I got it (about
1995) he was on line at Compuserve [74415,1305] or internet
74415.1305@compuserve.com.

The docs for ZIP202 are excellent, including specifications for
building your own null-modem cables in either 3-wire or 7-wire
configurations with 9-pin or 25-pin connectors--any combination.
Of course, ready-made null-modem cables are avilable commercially.

Jack P.
 
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From: Hans-Ole Larsen                                   31-Oct-99 21:17:19
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Nov-99 00:38:12
Subj: Network DOS-OS/2

Davs Roy J. Tellason,

31-Oct-99 09:03, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Peter Knapper
          Subject: Network

 PK>> It was a free-bee that allowed DOS machines to connect to a
 PK>> Windows Netbios environment, but because the Windows
 PK>> environment is an SMB environment, just about any SMB
 PK>> environmentt can inter-connect using the Dos Requestor package.
 PK>> SMB environments include OS/2 Peer, *nix SAMBA, etc, so you
 PK>> should be able to get something working.

 RJT> I got a couple of different packages from m$,  and could't get either
 RJT> one of them working here.  Which is why this (dos/dv) box is the least
 RJT> connected of the four machines sitting here...

 I have fairly recently used a DOS-requester with a TCPIP-addon. It worked
 "fair", meaning that you COULD share drives both ways (AFAIR), and you COULD
 copy files etc., but the connection was not entirely stable. Eventually it
 ALWAYS locked the DOS machine solid.


Regards Hans-Ole Larsen, DENMARK

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From: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 13:41:14
  To: Peter Knapper                                     02-Nov-99 05:20:16
Subj: Re: Network

-=> Greetings,
   Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> I haven't tried it myself, but I understand that one of the MPTS
 PK> options allows for the connection of 2 machines using either the Serial
 PK> or Parallel ports.

Would make things much easier.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 20:23:02
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Greetings & Salutations,

On 29 Oct 99  18:20:00 Albert Sodyl wrote to LINDA PROULX. AS> Hey LINDA
PROULX

 LP> -!- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.31

 AS> What horrible thing did you do to be captured in an MS-DOS
 AS> environment?

Not for long.


Anon,

-=Linda=-
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From: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 20:56:10
  To: ALL                                               02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: Install question

Greetings & Salutations,

Wonder if Warp 3 blue got installed, what would happen if installed Warp
3 blue connect over it.

Anon,

-=Linda=-
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From: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 22:11:20
  To: Murray Lesser                                     02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: Get Going

 Greetings & Salutations,

 ML> One never gets beyond that period :-).  Even though some people
 ML> think that they have.  That is why a few of the answers you get
 ML> to your queries here don't make much sense :-).

Not really.

 ML> strange results.  Assume that you are going to repartition and
 ML> reinstall a few times during the learning process, so don't worry
 ML> too much about getting it right the first time.  It is fairly
 ML> hard to do any real damage under OS/2, especially if you avoid
 ML> "DEL *.*" commands and keep good backups <VBG>.

Oh God!  I hope not.  I don't mind tweaking bit I really don't want to
install more than once. I'll be losing my Sparq soon.  Won't have the
big backup solution.

Anon,

-=Linda=-
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From: Dave Davidson                                     31-Oct-99 14:46:20
  To: Ian Moote                                         02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Ian,

30-Oct-99 12:25:00, Ian Moote wrote to DAVE DAVIDSON
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32
 DD>> IM>> I've got a utility here that I wrote for DOS which will
 DD>> blast IM>> the entire MBR off the drive. Send me your E-Mail
 DD>> address.
 IM> DD>
 DD>> Can ya send it to _ME_ as well. I'm the one Andy is trying to
 DD>> help.

 IM> On its way. I nearly missed this -- it was addressed to Andy. [:)

 I got it. Unfortunatly, I'm not at home, and won't be until sometime next
 weekend, so it will be a while before I can try it. Thanks for sending it.

 DD>> The two drives currently in that machine in question are Segate
 DD>> 4.3GB and a Western Digital 2.5GB.

 IM> Be _very_ careful! If you clear the wrong MBR then you're SNAFU'd.
 IM> I'll also send you another two utilities to save and restore your
 IM> MBR's in case you accidentally do the wrong one.

 Can ya 'splain the snafu'd part? It's my understanding that if the MBR is
 lost or corrupted, using FDISK with the /MBR switch, would re-create it.
 Is this wrong? Not trying to be a smart a**, I really don't know that much
 about hard drive dynamics.

 IM> According to Andy's report, FDisk _isn't_ deleting the partitions.
 IM> According to him, when you reboot the FAT32 partition is still
 IM> there. So, is is still there when you reboot?

 Yes. When I run the OS/2 install disks and it gets to FDISK, it shows a
 Type B partition, with the only options available is to delete the
 partition. When I delete it and exit FDISK, the partition doesn't appear
 to be there. However, upon re-booting, it's there again.

 DD>> AR>>> He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then
 DD>> AR>>> running Seagate's Low Level Format.
 IM> DD>
 DD>> IM>> I haven't used the latest incarnation of SGATFMT*; does it
 DD>> have IM>> a "non-destructive format" option that was used?
 IM> DD>
 DD>> The Seagate format utility I used was destructive. There were at
 DD>> least two warnings I had to acknowlege before it would actually
 DD>> start the process, which with the 10.3GB drive, took almost 12
 DD>> hours!

 IM> Really! Gee, I'd like to get my hands on this drive for an
 IM> afternoon.

 Keep talking like that, and you just might. <g>

 DD>> AR>>> In typical M$ user fashion he repeats those last steps 1/2
 DD>> a AR>>> dozen times until he become frustrated and blames OS/2,
 DD>> then AR>>> re-installs Win98.
 IM> DD>
 DD>> Correction.... I didn't _blame_ OS/2, I simply stated it wouldn't
 DD>> load on my system.

 IM> What!? [8o You mean Andy is colouring his report of your problem
 IM> which his own preconceptions/assumptions!? I'm shocked! [;*)

 Nah, we know Andy wouldn't do anything like that. I believe he's getting
 as frustrated as I am, at the failed attempts. It's difficult for him or
 anyone else for that matter, to diagnose my problem via long distance.

 DD>> Since I've successfully loaded OS/2 on other machines I had,
 DD>> there obviously has to be something else causing the problem. The
 DD>> question is what!

 IM> Andy reported that FDisk was not removing the FAT32 partition.
 IM> You're the one running the software, does FDisk say that the
 IM> partition is still there or not? How much free space is it
 IM> reporting?

  It's only showing half the HD or around 2GB. I don't remember the exact
  numbers, but it is weird! When the Type B partition is _deleted_ by
  FDISK, OS/2 reports there's not enough room to load Boot Manager or
  anything else.

 DD>> IM>> Sounds like he's in Micro$oft's target market.
 IM> DD>
 DD>> AR>>> Personally I'm getting very tired of hearing him complain
 DD>> AR>>> about OS/2 not installing and how wonderful the M$ AR>>>
 DD>> installation is.
 IM> DD>
 DD>> Not how wonderful MS is just the fact that is does install easier
 DD>> that OS/2 does, even on a "perfect" system.

 IM> What?! [8o You mean Andy is colouring his report of your
 IM> situation!? I'm shocked! [;*) Andy seems to be a very knowledgable
 IM> fellow, but he seems to take it very personal if you aren't
 IM> running the same hardware and software in exactly the way that he
 IM> is.

  Well, maybe.... The machine I'm attempting to install OS/2 on is an
  AMD K6/2-350, PC-100 MB, Award PnP Bios (with the latest flash applied),
  the two HD's mentioned earlier, Soundblaster 16 Sound card, Internal
  ZIP drive and Internal USR Sportster modems (real 56k modems), NEC
  CD-Rom and an S3 video with 4MB onboard and 96MB PC-100 RAM. I'm building
  another machine from scratch also for OS/2, with a Soyo MB, with a Pentium
  120 CPU. That's the machine I wanted to use the 10.3GB Seagate HD in.

  As I mentioned in a previous post, each of the three drives discussed,
  4.3GB Seagate, 2.5 WD and 10.3GB Seagate were installed as a single drive
  while trying to load OS/2, as well as being in a Master/Slave
  configuration. Each with the same results. I spent almost 24 hours trying
  to get OS/2 loaded on that machine.

 IM> There is no such thing as a "perfect" system. In my experience
 IM> Windows 9x installs very well on an "acceptable" system. (That's
 IM> "acceptable" from the point of view of the average, non-technical
 IM> consumer. No offense intended.) It even installs very well on a
 IM> fairly low-quality system. OS/2 does not seem to install very well
 IM> on many "acceptable" systems, but does install very well on a
 IM> system of higher quality.

  Yes, I understand that. With the exception of the HP CD-RW units I have,
  one internal and one external, everything I have is supported by basic
  OS/2 or in the updated drivers or fixpaks.
  The machine currently running the BBS under WIN98 SE, is an AMD K6/2-450
  with 128MB Ram.

 DD>> That I do... I've always appreciated your friendship, help and
 DD>> advice. I think you know that as well.

 IM> You're a very easy-going fellow, Dave! If a friend of mine had
 IM> used me in public the way he did you, he wouldn't be my friend for
 IM> very long. OTOH, if it doesn't bother you then you have a very
 IM> complementary relationship.

  Andy & I have known each other since 1993, when we were both involved in
  beta testing Terminate, with a little "jabbing" at each other since.

 DD>> IM>> Once he _does_ get it installed, who do you think he's going
 DD>> to IM>> call whenever he has a problem with his OS/2 system? [:)
 IM> DD>
 DD>> Obviously, I'll call Andy, <g>

 IM> What are friends for? [:)

 Hehehehe, my sentiments exactly!

 DD>> The reason for wanting to install OS/2 is simple.... The BBS
 DD>> System I'm using simply isn't up to the task I want to do with a
 DD>> BBS. AdeptXBBS however, is.

 IM> Who told you that? Andy!? Have you actually _seen_ Adept running?
 IM> If not, I think you should get yourself over to Andy's and have
 IM> him give you a demonstration, if he hasn't already.

 No, I was exposed to OS/2 before I met Andy, and a few local Sysop's used
 to run Adept. Now, I'm the only system left in my local area.

 IM> I'm using Adept. So far, if I had to describe it in one word that
 IM> word would be "fantastic", but that doesn't mean that it's ideal
 IM> for you.

 IM> JOOC, what BBS are you using now and what are the shortcomings?

  Well, believe it or not, my _main_ system is Terminate's HOST (I call it
  TerHOST), running under Intermail, with Allfix and Termail. Prior to
  that, I ran Wildcat, ending with the 4.20 Multi line system. I sold my
  complete WC system several months ago. I bought WC4.20M again, via the
  Forsale echo for $10.00, so I have it setup as well, with Intermail,
  Wildmail, Allfix and Golded. I've been running BBS's since 1988.

 DD>> That's one of the reasons why the frustration level rose so high.
 DD>> Unless I'm not doing something properly, I've followed _all_ the
 DD>> suggestions and instructions provided.

 IM> You may not be doing anything wrong at all. You may just have a
 IM> weird problem. Try the utility.

  I'll try it as soon as I get back home. Thanks,


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com

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From: Dave Davidson                                     31-Oct-99 15:31:25
  To: Andy Roberts                                      02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Andy,

30-Oct-99 21:52:47, Andy Roberts wrote to Ian Moote
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32
 AR> 30-Oct-99 12:25:00, Ian Moote wrote to ANDY ROBERTS Subject: M$
 AR> "screw you" FAT32

 IM>> [:DDD At least you know something of human nature!! [:D

 AR> LOL... I've watched him play that game before.  When he gets
 AR> stuck, he all too quickly pulls out his WinXX install CD looking
 AR> for a solution, but not acknowledging that M$ is really the cause
 AR> of the problem instead.

 Hey, I resemble that remark!

 But, ya gotta admit..... at least the Winxx _did_ install. <g>


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
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From: Dave Davidson                                     31-Oct-99 15:37:11
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Jonathan,

28-Oct-99 22:05:50, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> When he deletes the partition all options become greyed-out.

 JdBP> By the way, you might do well to tell your friend that the
 JdBP> normal behaviour of FDISK is that when the last partition on a
 JdBP> drive is deleted all options *are* greyed out, *except two*:
 JdBP> "Create partition" and "Install Boot Manager"

 I'm the friend Andy's trying to help......

 Yes, I know how FDISK is _supposed_ to work, however it doesn't do it on
 my system.

 When the last partition (the Type B) is deleted, ALL the options in FDISK
 is greyed out. "Create partition" and "Install Boot Manager" is not an
 available option.

 When I get home next weekend, I'll follow your suggestion re; FDISK with
 the command options.

  Thanks.


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com
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From: Dave Davidson                                     31-Oct-99 16:01:14
  To: Will Honea                                        02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hiya Will,

30-Oct-99 15:36:00, Will Honea wrote to Dave Davidson
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 WH> Been out and missed a bunch of this, but this sounds suspiciously
 WH> like what I got into with one of my son's little adventures.
 WH> First clue is that FDISK can't seem to change the MBR.  What I
 WH> finally tracked this to was a @#$%^ boot sector virus on the HD -
 WH> it was brand new, purchased with WIN98 installed from a reputable
 WH> dealer, but there it was bigger than life, and hosing up every
 WH> attempt to clear the disk, including the so-called low level
 WH> Seagate utilities.  Hey, nothing else has worked so it's worth a
 WH> try!

 Hmmmm, thst's one thing that I haven't tried or for that matter, even
 considered.

 All my systems use both Norton and McAfee AntiVirus utilities, with the
 current updates. Since I don't "share" floppies, run the full system scan
 weekly, I didn't give that a thought.

 As soon as I get home, I'll run all three drives thru both utilities to
 see what they might find.

 Thanks...


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      dad500@aol.com


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From: Andy Roberts                                      02-Nov-99 07:46:00
  To: Ian Moote                                         02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Ian Moote,

31-Oct-99 18:42:00, Ian Moote wrote to ANDY ROBERTS
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>>>> But don't expect OS/2 FDISK to be able to delete the type "b"
 AR>>>> FAT32 partition, because OS/2 was released before FAT32
 AR>>>> existed, so OS/2 does not know how to deal with it.

 IM>>> ??? Do you know something about this "type b" partition that I
 IM>>> don't? Why do you think that OS/2 won't delete it?

 AR>> Because while I was on the voice phone with Dave Davidson, he
 AR>> attempted to use FDISK to delete what was reported as a type "b"
 AR>> partition.  He then used "Save and Exit" FDISK which forced him
 AR>> to reboot.  When he got into FDISK again the type "b" partition
 AR>> was right back where it was before.

 IM> Such is obvious, but why would you _expect_ FDisk to behave that
 IM> way simply because it doesn't know what a type B partition is?

I don't have a good reason.  I thought I read that somewhere, but probably
not.  As JdeBP mentioned FDISK should delete it and any other partition type,
provided the MBR is not corrupted.  In that respect I have had Win95 corrupt
the MBR on my ThinkPad so many times that I have totally given up.  So I guess
I just wrongly assumed that M$ always screws it up.  

 IM> All partition types are stored in the MBR in the same manner and in the
 IM> same format. Switching from one type of partition to another is
 IM> literally a matter of changing one byte in the partition's entry (then
 IM> re-formatting, of course).

 AR>> While my personal experience with FAT32 is very limited, I think
 AR>> that behavior has been reported by others.

 IM> Oh? Interesting.

I'm probably wrong about that.  I'm getting old and my memory is not a good as
it used to be.  And since I avoid M$ if at all possible, I also tend to skip
reading anything about FAT32.  I just try to remember to use LLF or at least
Format fs:hpfs /L to clean any old M$ partitions.  Since that didn't work for
Dave Davidson, I thought it best to get him involved in this echo to get
better and maybe more accurate advice from others.  Obviously I don't think
I'm up to the job if it has anything to do with FAT32.

 AR>> Although FDISK does not say type "b" is a FAT32 partition, I
 AR>> found a web site that lists what is probably over 100 different
 AR>> partition ID types.

 IM> Would you be so kind as to pass on that URL? That information
 IM> would be handy in my business.

I lost the URL, but I sent you the file partition_types-1.txt/zip

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  01-Nov-99 02:06:01
  To: Peter French                                      02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: File Systems

 -=> Quoting Peter French to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> That's nice. I'd like to be able to go one step farther and assign a
 LE> *specific* shortname to a file without losing the long name.

 PF> Would it help if you renamed the file in the traditional 8.3 way -
 PF> this would satisfy the DOS appls., then run the following REXX script
 PF> using the convention: PUTLONG myfil.ext "Long File Name"

Thanks, I'll try it. I hope it'll get along with Netware's OS/2 namespace.


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From: Leonard Erickson                                  01-Nov-99 02:09:02
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       02-Nov-99 05:20:17
Subj: File Systems

 -=> Quoting MIKE RUSKAI to LEONARD ERICKSON <=-

 LE> That's nice. I'd like to be able to go one step farther and assign a
 LE> *specific* shortname to a file without losing the long name. Even if
 LE> it used up another directory entry. Then we'd be able to keep old
 LE> programs happy indefinitely and still use long filenames. Unix can do
 LE> this, I just forget the command.

 MR> This is strictly speaking possible, but not taken advantage of by the
 MR> OS. There's no required attachment between a file's directory name, and
 MR> it's .LONGNAME extended attribute (which is how what Ian mentioned
 MR> above is done).

 MR> The PM file dialogs don't recognize the .LONGNAME attribute as a
 MR> filename, nor does DosOpen(), the API that opens files.

That reminds me. I was using an OS/2 UUdecoder that supported long
filenames (easy to find) and supported embedded spaces (hard to find). 

Anyway, I discovered that when names exceeded a certain length, the WPS
directory display no longer recognized what *kind* of file they were.
Any idea what was going on?

These are mostly WAV files from Star Trek and Star Wars that people
named with the entire text of what's being said (definite overkill).

Silly example:
        "Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water, Jack
fell down and broke his crown and Jill came tumbling after.WAV"


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From: Murray Lesser                                     01-Nov-99 12:38:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    01-Nov-99 12:38:00
Subj: File Systems

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-30-99, Eddy Thilleman to Leonard
Erickson)

Hello Eddy--

LE> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware. Netware
LE> creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access such files.
LE> The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor "settable" (at
LE> least in my version of Netware).

ET>I have no reason to think it's technically impossible to write a
  >driver that does this or something like this. So I think it's
  >technically possible to write a driver that does this or something
  >like this.

    I don't think you meant "driver" in the "device driver" sense.
Perhaps you meant an application program to move files between HPFS and
FAT partitions without losing the long name in the process.  While I am
sure that you can write such a program (using existing OS/2 APIs), there
is no necessity to do so.  Unless, of course, you don't like mousing
around the desktop and do your serious computing from the command line.
In that case, you probably don't use long file names, no matter which
file system you are using, because they are a nuisance to enter from the
keyboard.

    As I told Leonard in an earlier post, you can move (or copy)
long-name files from HPFS partitions to FAT partitions, and recover the
long name when you move (or copy) them back to the HPFS partition, using
facilities that are already available in OS/2.  Move the "long name"
file to the FAT drive using the WPS.  The long name will be preserved in
the attached FAT EA file, and the system will assign an 8.3 name to the
FAT file directory entry.  If you don't like the assigned 8.3 name,
rename (from the command line) that directory entry to any 8.3 name you
wish that preserves the extension portion.  When you copy (or move) the
FAT file to an HPFS partition (using WPS), the original long name will
be restored.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     01-Nov-99 12:43:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    01-Nov-99 12:43:01
Subj: NumLock

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-30-99, Eddy Thilleman to Jack
Pfisterer)

Hi Eddy--

JP> You are questioning IBM's opinion that your NUMLOCK should be off?

ET>Numlock should be ON, that's my opinion. I don't need two sets of
  >keys for cursor movement.

    NumLock should be OFF.  I don't need two sets of number keys :-).

    Actually, there are valid, objective reasons why the normal boot of
any PC operating system should be to NumLock OFF.  These reasons are not
matters of opinion.

    For example:  I run Warp 4 on a ThinkPad (laptop).  When I am
working at my desk, the ThinkPad is docked and I use an external
keyboard and display.  Under these circumstances, since I don't use the
keypad except to enter "extended ASCII" characters, whether OS/2 boots
to NumLock ON or NumLock OFF doesn't make any difference to me.  (There
may be application-dependent problems associated with the "virtual
console" accompanying each of the several sessions that are running
multitasked, but that subject is outside the scope of this discussion.)

    However, when I am on the road, I have only a "virtual" keypad, with
its key positions superimposed on a portion of the normal alphameric
keyboard.  NumLock ON shifts that portion of the keyboard to keypad
numeric use; there is a keyboard routine (while NumLock is ON) to use if
I should ever want to use the keypad for cursor control; and another
keyboard routine to turn NumLock OFF completely and return to normal
keyboard use.  Obviously, no one in his/her right mind would want a
laptop to boot any operating system to NumLock ON.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Bob Wright                                        28-Oct-99 18:52:07
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  02-Nov-99 07:45:03
Subj: Computer History

Greetings, Leonard...

Leonard Erickson hastily said to Dirk Stuijfzand:

 DS>> (Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter data
 DS>> into computers)

 LE> Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
 LE> mainframe.

How about machine code into an IBM 2000 ... 2K of real core memory..

 LE> And as far as card punching goes, how many of you know what a "drum
 LE> card" for a keypunch does?

And *anyone* who had to punch their own programs should certainly know that..
(particularly after having the first unsequenced source deck dropped..)

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        28-Oct-99 19:36:19
  To: Daniela Engert                                    02-Nov-99 07:45:03
Subj: Warp 3 install

Greetings, Daniela...

 Daniela Engert hastily said to Linda Proulx:

 DE> Psst - don't tell anybody! The main reason why I joined the Odin
 DE> development team was to get back Windows Solitaire. Now I *can* run the
 DE> Win32 version of Solitaire from WinNT4 on OS/2 again without firing up
the
 DE> Win3.1 subsystem before...

OK, I won't tell... but there is a 32 bit native OS/2 Solitaire game that's
every bit as good as the WinXX one...

Look in os2games.zip -- it upgrades the chess and solitaire games provided
with Warp (well ver 3 at least) and adds a mahjong game as well.

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        28-Oct-99 20:00:02
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Nov-99 07:45:03
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Roy...

 Roy J. Tellason hastily said to Bob Wright:

 RJT> That's a feature that somehow has not really ever managed to assume that
 RJT> much importance to me...

:-)

 ->> Executing 'pkunzip -oed M:\MAX\FILE\INBOUND\00000069.TH6 '

 RJT>    PKUNZIP (R)    FAST!    Extract Utility    Version 2.04g  02-01-93
 RJT>    Copr. 1989-1993 PKWARE Inc. All Rights Reserved. Shareware Version
 RJT>    PKUNZIP Reg. U.S. Pat. and Tm. Off.

 RJT> Not just a line of junk,  _three_ of them.  I'm much more attuned to the
 RJT> unix philosophy of unclutter,  don't produce output that doesn't bear
 RJT> directly on the function of the program,  or report errors.  I strongly
 RJT> suspect that the info-zip products fall under that heading.

You'd be right.  I just tried it on a couple of zip files that I have.  The
only lines that seem to come out are those that are in the archive.


 RJT> One of these days,  when I get 'net access.  At this point I've got
email
 RJT> and that's it.

I *knew* that !! (I just temporarily forgot is all)... If I do get a chance in 
the near future (and the file isn't too big), I'll e-mail it to you.


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        30-Oct-99 08:12:25
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 07:45:03
Subj: Y2K Question

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to All:

 LP> Me again. Want to confirm that when I Y2k Warp 3, the Win code will be
 LP> Y2ked as well.  Or do I have to install the MS fix?

Given that you have the "Red" version, Warp fixpaks will do NOTHING to the
Win3x that you have installed.

I was under the impression that M$ had completely stopped all support for
Win3x, and thus there aren't any Y2K fixes for it.  (I could be wrong though,
it HAS been known to happen <G>).

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        31-Oct-99 15:30:24
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 07:45:03
Subj: Extended Attributes

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to Murray Lesser:


 LP> True, but I can't just let these terms go by when I see them.  Also, I
 LP> want to get beyond the "a liitle knowledge is dangerous" period soon.

 ML>> either you get a good textbook about OS/2, or (better yet) install it,

 LP> Nothing found in the used book stores yet.

You could ask your friend to have a look at http://www.door2net.com/half-price 
(Half Price Computer Books).  They tend to have a lot of the "older" books at
really good prices.
As an example, I bought a copy of "Oracle How-To" for $24.99 (special special) 
which is marked on the back cover as $70.99 (Cdn).  They would normally sell
this one for around $35.

A copy of OS/2 Warp Unleashed Deluxe Edition should go for about $27 Cdn at
their regular pricing, possibly less on special. (Mine is marked $39.99 US,
$53.99 Cdn).

 I don't know for sure if they have a physical presence in Winnipeg, but they
don't charge for shipping anywhere in Canada (or the US, either, for that
matter) except for the "specials" like the one above.

The last time I was in the store in Richmond (BC), they had about five
different OS/2 books, including "Unleashed".

        -- Bob



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From: Peter Knapper                                     02-Nov-99 20:16:08
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 07:45:03
Subj: Re: Network

Hi Linda,

 PK> I haven't tried it myself, but I understand that one of the MPTS
 PK> options allows for the connection of 2 machines using either the  PK>
Serial or Parallel ports.

 LP> Would make things much easier.

Personally, I would rather pick up a couple of real cheap NE2000 Ethernet
cards for around $20ea ($10us) and use those rather than play with a Serial or 
Parallel link. A Serial port would provide about 5KByte/sec throughput, a
parallel port about 25KByte/sec throughput, an NE2000 would provide at least
250KByte/sec and probably more like 500Kb/Sec... In the networking world, the
difference in performance is VERY noticeable, especially when you use a rather 
"chatty" protocol such as NETBIOS.

Cheers..............pk.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      01-Nov-99 21:07:07
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  02-Nov-99 09:17:24
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 WH>> with
 LP> Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an OS/2 unit
 LP> & a DOS unit?
 CV>     Of course. Parallel Port Adapter in MPTS.
                                             ^^^^?
And this means?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 03:34:02
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Nov-99 09:17:24
Subj: Network

 Greetings & Salutations,

On 01 Nov 99  06:40:00 Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx. RT> Linda Proulx


 RT> What network cards do you have?

Ethernet I do believe.  What Lantastic will run on.  Have an older
version of it.

Anon,

-=Linda=-
linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca
... A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer.
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From: Alan Hess                                         01-Nov-99 23:15:15
  To: all                                               02-Nov-99 10:15:24
Subj: Windows internet apps

I'm having trouble with a couple of Win internet apps I need to use.  One is
Quicken 98 Deluxe, the other is the version of the M$ Internet Explorer that
came with it.  When I try to connect for Quicken updates, win-os/2 displays an 
"Inet not running" message, and then I get the choice to abort/retry/ignore to 
stop the connection attempt.  What is this "inet", and how do I make it run? 
I have two ISPs to choose from - dialup and cable - and I can't get Quicken's
internet to work with either.  It used to work many moons ago with my dialup - 
I don't know what changed.

As for Explorer, it gives a General Protection Error when I try to start it. 
Again, it used to work.  *adh*

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From: Gregory Urban                                     01-Nov-99 09:18:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      02-Nov-99 10:15:24
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

Greetings Albert,


 AS> I know OS/2 v2.1 are no longer supported, but I still need to find the
 AS> latest fixpack for it because it's the only version that I will ever
 AS> use, all other one's are very expensive to me, I got 2.1 free from a
 AS> friend.

How does $35 + shipping sound for Warp 3 Connect on CD-ROM, used but with
all documentation?

If interested drop me an email at kragmeiser@fast.net

Later,
Greg
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From: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              01-Nov-99 21:35:25
  To: Will Honea                                        02-Nov-99 14:12:16
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Hello Will.

Mercredi 27 Octobre 1999 07:37, Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to Will Honea:

 WH>> Create 4 partitions (not logical drives, just primary partitions) to
 WH>> fill the drive.  Delete one of the interior ones so that free space is
 WH>> in the middle of the drive.  It still allows you to create BootManager
 WH>> at the beginning or the end of free space - which is now in the middle
 WH>> of the drive.  After you create BM, re-scarmble you partitons and
 WH>> logical drives however they fit - and BM works just fine from the
 WH>> middle of the drive as long as it's within the first 1024 cylinders.
 JMD> how do you boot BM if it's installed in the middle of the drive?
 JMD> have a 9gb drive that needs win (scanner app without sane support), so
 JMD> that's c, and it's partition 1 that is 2gb. If I create 3 other
primaries
 JMD> and delete the second, how will connect install his BM and then himself?
??

Jean-Michel

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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     02-Nov-99 09:06:20
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      02-Nov-99 16:27:05
Subj: WinOS2 with Warp v3

Albert Sodyl wrote on 30 Oct 1999 at 14:41 to ALL:

 AS> Hey ALL, what's up?


 AS> I was wondering wether I could install Warp v3 Red Box over my OS/2
 AS> 2.1 and still keep the Win-OS2 that came with it.  I'm stuck
 AS> depending on windows programs right now :(

 AS> Can the Warp v3 Red Box use the winos2 that came with OS/2 2.1?  Or
 AS> do I have go and buy windows for work groups or windows 3.1?

To my opinion this must be possible. All data needed for windows are in
separate directories that are not touched by OS/2. Make sure that the
directory pathes are included in the new config.sys. Make a copy of your
present config.sys to check afterwards that no data is lost.

I hope that also others are responding because as far as I can remind I had to 
delete all the 2.1 stuff before installing 3.0 to get is smoothly running.
Jaap 
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  02-Nov-99 16:36:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 16:27:05
Subj: Install question

Hello Linda!

01 Nov 99 20:56, Linda Proulx wrote to ALL:
 LP> Wonder if Warp 3 blue got installed, what would happen if installed
 LP> Warp 3 blue connect over it.
    Nothing horrible. BTW, you may install only "connect" part of...

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... What I like about MS is its loyalty to customers!
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From: Daniela Engert                                    31-Oct-99 18:16:16
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      02-Nov-99 21:32:12
Subj: OS/2 - Programming

Hi Albert!

Thus quoth Albert Sodyl to ALL :
 AS> I have a question for all you people who know technical stuff about OS/2, 
it has something to
 AS> do with programming, and I don't know what I can answer to the bottom
message, can anyone
 AS> help me?

 AS> =================================================================== Why
is Ralf Brown's
 AS> interrupt list peppered with API calls marked "this function is
incompatible with the OS/2
 AS> compatibility box"?
===================================================================

This applies to the old fashioned OS/2 1.x DOS compatibility box only (the so
called 'penalty box' ;-)

Beginning with OS/2 2.0 there no longer was that single (!) DOS box, but
almost as many virtual DOS machines as you like which may run different real
mode or DPMI compatible OS.

bye, Dani

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From: Nick Andre                                        02-Nov-99 16:08:06
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 21:32:12
Subj: Installation problem

Hi!

I'm trying to install OS/2 Warp 3.0 Redspine on a friends system. He's running 

a 486DX/33Mhz all-ISA board, 400mb Quantum HD, standard ISA/FDD controller, 
and just a VGA card installed.

OS/2 starts to boot okay on Disk 0, but after the "Loading; please wait" 
message appears, the screen goes blank, and the system stops. I have no idea 
whats going on, (Alt+F2 doesn't seem to work on the installation disks). I've 
tried everything I could think of (disabling cache, etc), but to no avail.

Any ideas/suggestions?


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From: Holger Granholm                                   01-Nov-99 18:11:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        02-Nov-99 21:32:12
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 10-29-99, Jack Stein said to Holger Granholm:

AR>bbs.os2bbs.com or #204.194.180.10  You can get his files via Telnet.

 HG> I'll put it in as a bookmark in NS. Thanks.

JS>Not much reason to put it in NS unless you plan on signing up.  What
JS>you want to do is get MTELNET (free) and telenet into his bbs. 
JS>Really easy to do with Mtel, no vmodem needed, takes about 20
JS>seconds to set up.  Look for: 

JS>MTELB5.ZIP     OS/2/WIN95 Telenet.  Use to Telenet BBS's on the
JS>Internet. (54K)

Thanks Jack for the hint. If you happen to have e-mail, could you please
attach it to an e-mail to: holgra@alcom.aland.fi

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   01-Nov-99 18:11:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        02-Nov-99 21:32:12
Subj: Registration

In a message dated 10-29-99, Jack Stein said to Murray Lesser:

Hi Jack,

JS>Haven't decided exactly what to put in there yet, WARP 4 doesn't
JS>seem to be too popular with the 486 crowd, of which I'm a proud
JS>member...  

I am using Warp 4 on this AMD 486DX2/80 with 16 Mb RAM.
It works very nicely thank you, running a 2-node BBS at the same time.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   01-Nov-99 18:11:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Nov-99 21:32:12
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

In a message dated 10-30-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Dan Egli:

 DE> The CDs could be BBS ready, if desired.

JP>If you need them, I have a suite of REXX scripts that will download
JP>the Hobbes 00GLOBAL.TXT file, convert it into the appropriate
JP>FILES.BBS files in the appropriate subdirectories, and then convert
JP>the FILES.BBS files into attached ".SUBJECT" extended attributes
JP>attached to each file and directory in order to yield descriptions
JP>for them in 4OS2 and the file objects' properties notebooks in the
JP>Workplace Shell.

Hello Jonathan,

Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings? I don't run 4OS2
but I do run a PCBoard 2-node BBS, Fido et al.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   01-Nov-99 18:11:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 21:32:12
Subj: Re: Manual?

In a message dated 10-29-99, Linda Proulx said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> Very good. I always read the manual a night or two before installing
 HG> new software or hw.

LP>So do I, but the OS/2 one ptreety bare.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry Linda, I don't understand the above.
Do you?

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Ian Moote                                         02-Nov-99 08:16:00
  To: JACK STEIN                                        02-Nov-99 23:12:10
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

JS> AR> DD> Can ya send it to _ME_ as well.
JS>
JS> Me too Ian.  I want to get this stuff before Y2K probably
JS> disconnects me from FIDO land.

Holy cow!! [:) Just so long as you guys realize that I use this stuff 
internally -- it's nothing fancy but it works. [:)

You got an E-Mail, Jack?


JS> IM> ??? Do you know something about this "type b" partition that
JS> IM> I don't?  Why do you think that OS/2 won't delete it?
JS>
JS> This is something I really am interested in.  If Fdisk knows it's a
JS> partition, of x size, of y type, then why would it NOT be able to
JS> delete it?  I have a sneaky suspicion that something else is going
JS> on, but no basis for that suspicion.

Well... I've had some trouble with OS/2's FDisk in the past. It sounds 
very similar to what Dave seems to be experiencing. I really can't come 
up with a reasonable explanation why FDisk wouldn't delete the 
partition.

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Ian Moote                                         02-Nov-99 08:16:00
  To: JACK STEIN                                        02-Nov-99 23:12:10
Subj: Weird windows...

JS> If you have my GETSET.cmd, this is not too hard.

My turn! [:) I don't normally pay a lot of attention to .Cmd utilities, 
but this sounds very useful and interesting. Can I get a copy from you? 
Your choice: post publicly, NetMail works, or E-Mail to 
diogenes@nas.net.

TIA. Take care and TTYL.

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From: Sean Dennis                                       01-Nov-99 15:13:10
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Nov-99 23:12:10
Subj: Weird windows...

Hello, Eddy.

Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Sean Dennis:

 SD>> For some weird reason, when I open my VIO windows, they all come up
 SD>> minimized... I have to maximize them to be able to see them
 SD>> completely.  I've checked the properties of the 'main' window object
 SD>> in the Command Prompts folder in OS/2 System and all looks well. 
 SD>> Any suggestions?

 ET> The only thing I can think of now is that you somehow made the
 ET> minimized state the default for all windowed sessions, if that's the
 ET> case then I think this should cure it: open one windowed session,
 ET> make sure it is not minimized, then doubleclick on the titlebar. The
 ET> doubleclick on the titlebar saves the 'state' (='minimized' or
 ET> 'normal' or 'maximized') and the position of the upper left corner,
 ET> which becomes the new default for all windowed textmode sessions.

Hmmm-I just tried that and it's not working... when I double-click on the
titlebar, it maximizes the window and puts it in the upper left corner.  I
type 'exit' and then go and reopen another window and it goes back to being
minimized.

I think this happened once when I was closing windows and the machine froze; I 
think I've done something to an INI file or something.  Unfortunatly, I don't
know enough about INI files to try to go hunt down what happened...

Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       02-Nov-99 03:38:12
  To: Jack Stein                                        02-Nov-99 23:12:10
Subj: Weird windows...

Hello Jack.

Saturday October 30 1999 17:08, you wrote to me:

 SD>> For some weird reason, when I open my VIO windows, they all come
 SD>> up minimized... I have to maximize them to be able to see
 SD>> them completely.  I've checked the properties of the 'main' window
 SD>> object in the Command Prompts folder in OS/2 System and all looks
 SD>> well.  Any suggestions?

 ET>> The only thing I can think of now is that you somehow made
 ET>> the minimized state the default for all windowed sessions,
 ET>> if that's the case then I think this should cure it: open
 ET>> one windowed session, make sure it is not minimized, then
 ET>> doubleclick on the titlebar. The doubleclick on the titlebar
 ET>> saves the 'state' (='minimized' or 'normal' or 'maximized')
 ET>> and the position of the upper left corner, which becomes the
 ET>> new default for all windowed textmode sessions.

 JS> I think you may need to hold down the ALT key when doing this.  I
 JS> prefer to set the MAXIMIZED=YES setting in the object itself.  If you
 JS> have my GETSET.cmd, this is not too hard.  Just look up the ObjectID,
 JS> have GetSet save it to a CMD file to recreate the object, and add the
 JS> MAXIMIZED=YES to the settings, then run the command file.  Works every
 JS> time...  I like to do things the hard way for some reason.:-)

Could you netmail me that CMD file?  I tried to do that click with the ALT key 
and it's not responding to it.  I'm not completely sure HOW I did this of all
things. :)

Later,
Sean

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From: Charles Gaefke                                    01-Nov-99 18:35:23
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      02-Nov-99 23:12:10
Subj: Re: Confirmation Needed

RN> How do you format a zip, hpfs,charles?

    I'm pretty certain the new IBM1S506.ADD driver allows you to do just that 
with external drives.
    
    I don't have one, though, so I don't know for certain.


C. Gaefke
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From: Will Honea                                        02-Nov-99 17:59:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 17:59:00
Subj: Install question

Linda Proulx wrote to ALL on 11-01-1999

LP> Wonder if Warp 3 blue got installed, what would happen if
LP> installed Warp 3 blue connect over it. 

You would get Warp 3 Blue with networking at (I think) fp17 level.  If
you do this, uninstall networking (or the Bonus Pak Internet stuff)
befire you install connect just to avoid any potential problems with
versions of TCP/IP code, tho there should be none.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        02-Nov-99 22:13:00
  To: Nick Andre                                        02-Nov-99 22:13:00
Subj: Installation problem

Nick Andre wrote to All on 11-02-1999

NA> Hi!
NA> 
NA> I'm trying to install OS/2 Warp 3.0 Redspine on a friends 
NA> system. He's running 
NA> a 486DX/33Mhz all-ISA board, 400mb Quantum HD, standard ISA/FDD
NA> controller,  and just a VGA card installed.
NA> 
NA> OS/2 starts to boot okay on Disk 0, but after the "Loading; please
NA> wait"  message appears, the screen goes blank, and the system stops.
NA> I have no idea  whats going on, (Alt+F2 doesn't seem to work on the
NA> installation disks). I've  tried everything I could think of
NA> (disabling cache, etc), but to no avail.
NA> 
NA> Any ideas/suggestions?

Lots of them, but let's try and solve the problem first<g>.  Questions
to be answered: do you know that the board actually works more than a
few minutes after bootup?  What's the drive interface (I assume ATA,
otherwise known as IDE)?  What's the video card (chip set, manf., etc)?
 Are there ANY other cards in the system besides the video and disk
controller?  Are your boot floppies good (make another set from the
CDROM)? How much RAM is installed? What kind of mouse and how is it
installed (darned near mandatory to have a mouse)? Last but not least,
the brand and rev level of the ROM BIOS (from the bootup screen)?

There are a lot of particular problems that might (or might not) be
identified from the above info.  In general, you look to have started
right.  Just to refresh your memory, disable BOTH internal and external
cache.  If you have DOS available, boot it with HIMEM.SYS in it's
config.sys and let that do a rough memory test.   In the BIOS setup,
set everything as slow as it will go - wait states, etc.  My first
inclination would be to verify that the floppies are indeed good since
that's usually the main source of most of my install problems and the
fact that ALT-F2 shows nothing points to a failure to read the floppy.

Step one done.  Now come back with some particulars.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 14:11:05
  To: Andy Roberts                                      03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR> But don't expect OS/2 FDISK to be able to delete the type "b" FAT32
 AR> partition, because OS/2 was released before FAT32 existed, [...]

As I said, try:

        [a:\]FDISK /DISK:d /NAME:nnnnn /FSTYPE:H0B /DELETE

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 14:14:26
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: Msg Reader

 RCB> What are the options about msg reader?

Fidonet native ?

GoldED/2, SqEd for OS/2, TimEd, and FleetStreet are the names that come
immediately to mind.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 14:21:07
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: File Systems

 LE> It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware. Netware
 LE> creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access such files.
 LE> The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor "settable"
 LE> (at least in my version of Netware). 

I disagree.  The better way to fix this problem would be for OS/2's VDM kernel 
and the VDOS VDD to support the new DOS API calls that were created for MS-DOS 
version 7.  They mirror various existing DOS API calls, such as "open file",
but allow the use of long filenames as parameters.

With this done, DOS programs that used the standard DOS API would be
restricted to using 8.3 filenames and would be only able to see those files
that had filenames that fit into the 8.3 form, as is the case now, and DOS
programs that used the long filename DOS API extensions would be able to use
and to see all filenames.

On the gripping hand, of course, the best way is to use native OS/2 programs
and not DOS programs in the first place.  Then one doesn't have the overhead
of having to run a Virtual DOS Machine in order to run the program.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 14:21:21
  To: Dave Davidson                                     03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 DD> I'm responding to this in a motel room in Houston, TX., but when I
 DD> get  back home, I'll post the exact information being shown by OS/2's
 DD> FDISK ie;  the Type B partition, the unusual Freespace sizes being
 DD> reported, etc.

The results of FDISK /QUERY and the output of PARTLIST (from the OS/2 Command
Line Utilities version 2.0, OS2CLU02.RAR on Andy's BBS and elsewhere) would
probably be the most helpful to people.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 14:22:19
  To: Dan Egli                                          03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 JdBP>> What I'd really like to see is someone release a CD-ROM (set) of
 JdBP>> the Hobbes FTP site as it is *now*.  Walnut Creek is several years
 JdBP>> out of date and is missing a huge chunk of files.

 DE> As a matter of fact, I was planning on slowly downloading the Hobbes
 DE> archive and burning it to a CD. If people are interested, I may sell
 DE> copies of the burn to those who want them. 

How closely will it mirror the directory structure of the FTP site ?

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 18:17:01
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: OS/2 - Programming

 AS> " Why is Ralf Brown's interrupt list peppered with API calls marked
 AS>   "this function is incompatible with the OS/2 compatibility box"?  "

Of course, the question is a leading question, in that it in order to answer
it one would have to implicitly accept as true a particular fact.  The premise 
of the question, that the interrupt list is "peppered" with such notation is
in actualy fact largely false.  In amongst the thousands of API calls
described in the interrupt list, there are a small handful that are explicitly 
marked as unsupported by OS/2 VDMs.  (Only OS/2 1.x had "a compatibility box"
(singular), incidentally.  OS/2 versions 2.0 and later all have multiple
Virtual DOS Machines.)   Many more of the APIs listed are marked as "supported 
by the OS/2 compatibility box", and indeed several API calls listed are
supported *only* in an OS/2 Virtual DOS Machine.  

GREPping version 58 of the Interrupt List (which is dated 1998) we find that
it contains just 26 occurrences of the phrase "compatibility box", and of
those at least 15, posibly more, are in sentences that say that that a
particular API *is* supported in the OS/2 compatibility box.  This is in a
list of over 8605 interrupts.

The reason that those few are marked as unsupported is pretty obvious with a
little thought.  The MS/PC/DR-DOS operating system(s) are written with the
notion that the application program has control of the entire machine, and can 
do anything that they like, including hitting directly on the PC hardware if
needs be.  Multitasking protected mode operating systems, because of this,
have to "virtualise" the hardware and firmware environment seen by DOS
programs, since on a protected mode operating system a running process should
not be able to adversely impact the operation of another running process, or
access or confuse the internal data structures of the operating system itself. 
 But of course there are things that DOS programs can do that are simply
impossible to virtualise because of this.  The ability to write directly to
raw sectors on a disc is one such.  To allow DOS applications such low-level
access to the disc would not only bypass any filesystem security measures
(OS/2 Warp Server has HPFS386, remember, which allows access control lists to
be applied to local files and directories), but would also interfere with the
operation of the filesystem drivers, since it would allow DOS applications to
make the contents of the volume on disc inconsistent with the internal data
structures maintained by the filesystem drivers themselves (to track open
files and directories).

So it is API calls, such as the INT 13h routines supplied by the BIOS firmware 
to allow write access to discs at sector level and similar calls, that would
undermine system integrity or security, that are unsupported by OS/2 Warp.

Another set of DOS APIs that are not supported are those that require a
particular structure to the internals of the operating system.  API calls that 
return pointers to internal, undocumented, DOS kernel structures are also
unsupported, for the very good reason, that is again obvious with a little
though, that *non*-DOS operating systems have no obligation to contain such
structures in their virtual DOS environments, since the virtual DOS layer is
simply a virtualisation layer on top of the operating system proper, which the 
DOS application has no access to (it being a protected mode operating system).

Of course, the badgering attitude of the original poster in the rest of the
post (which I have not quoted) indicates that he thinks that this lack of
support for DOS APIs, that either require access to the internals of DOS or
that bypass system security and udnermine system integrity, is a bad thing. 
Unfortunately for him, what it mostly indicates that he is also seriously out
of touch with modern softwares.  DOS-Windows 3.1, released nearly 8 years ago, 
*also* prevented, in the default configuration, DOS applications from
performing low-level access to discs via firmware APIs, for much the same
reasons.  So too does Windows NT.  The plain fact of the matter is that there
are things that DOS applications *can* do that they simply *should not be
able* to do, because those things are more properly the remit of an operating
system, not applications softwares.  In many ways, DOS is indeed not a
complete operating system in this respect, since it fails to fully insulate
applications programs from the hardware.  

Summary: Protected mode operating systems that insulate applications programs
from the hardware and from one another, and that are not based on DOS and so
do not maintain the same internal kernel data structures as DOS, namely OS/2
Warp, Windows NT, and linux, will never support *all* of the APIs available in 
DOS.

But then, the fact that DOS applications that do these sorts of things largely 
doesn't matter in the first place.  OS/2 has *native* utilities for things
like low-level disc sector editing.  The irony is that the native OS/2
utilities are usually *better* than their DOS counterparts.  The utilities in
the Graham Utilities for OS/2, for example, don't have 1042 cylinder
limitations (since OS/2 Warp itself doesn't) that plague DOS disc utilities. 
HPFSVIEW is even multithreaded, with one thread allowing one to view the
contents of the volume, and the other thread reading the HPFS disc structures
from disc in the background.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Oct-99 18:29:09
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: OS/2 - Programming

 AS> " Why is Ralf Brown's interrupt list peppered with API calls marked
 AS>   "this function is incompatible with the OS/2 compatibility box"?  "

Of course, the question is a leading question, in that it in order to answer
it one would have to implicitly accept as true a particular fact.  The premise 
of the question, that the interrupt list is "peppered" with such notation is
in actualy fact largely false.  In amongst the thousands of API calls
described in the interrupt list, there are a small handful that are explicitly 
marked as unsupported by OS/2 VDMs.  (Only OS/2 1.x had "a compatibility box"
(singular), incidentally.  OS/2 versions 2.0 and later all have multiple
Virtual DOS Machines.)   Many more of the APIs listed are marked as "supported 
by the OS/2 compatibility box", and indeed several API calls listed are
supported *only* in an OS/2 Virtual DOS Machine.  

GREPping version 58 of the Interrupt List (which is dated 1998) we find that
it contains just 26 occurrences of the phrase "compatibility box", and of
those at least 15, posibly more, are in sentences that say that that a
particular API *is* supported in the OS/2 compatibility box.  This is in a
list of over 8605 interrupts.

The reason that those few are marked as unsupported is pretty obvious with a
little thought.  The MS/PC/DR-DOS operating system(s) are written with the
notion that the application program has control of the entire machine, and can 
do anything that they like, including hitting directly on the PC hardware if
needs be.  Multitasking protected mode operating systems, because of this,
have to "virtualise" the hardware and firmware environment seen by DOS
programs, since on a protected mode operating system a running process should
not be able to adversely impact the operation of another running process, or
access or confuse the internal data structures of the operating system itself. 
 But of course there are things that DOS programs can do that are simply
impossible to virtualise because of this.  The ability to write directly to
raw sectors on a disc is one such.  To allow DOS applications such low-level
access to the disc would not only bypass any filesystem security measures
(OS/2 Warp Server has HPFS386, remember, which allows access control lists to
be applied to local files and directories), but would also interfere with the
operation of the filesystem drivers, since it would allow DOS applications to
make the contents of the volume on disc inconsistent with the internal data
structures maintained by the filesystem drivers themselves (to track open
files and directories).

So it is API calls, such as the INT 13h routines supplied by the BIOS firmware 
to allow write access to discs at sector level and similar calls, that would
undermine system integrity or security, that are unsupported by OS/2 Warp.

Another set of DOS APIs that are not supported are those that require a
particular structure to the internals of the operating system.  API calls that 
return pointers to internal, undocumented, DOS kernel structures are also
unsupported, for the very good reason, that is again obvious with a little
though, that *non*-DOS operating systems have no obligation to contain such
structures in their virtual DOS environments, since the virtual DOS layer is
simply a virtualisation layer on top of the operating system proper, which the 
DOS application has no access to (it being a protected mode operating system).

Of course, the badgering attitude of the original poster in the rest of the
post (which I have not quoted) indicates that he thinks that this lack of
support for DOS APIs, that either require access to the internals of DOS or
that bypass system security and udnermine system integrity, is a bad thing. 
Unfortunately for him, what it mostly indicates that he is also seriously out
of touch with modern softwares.  DOS-Windows 3.1, released nearly 8 years ago, 
*also* prevented, in the default configuration, DOS applications from
performing low-level access to discs via firmware APIs, for much the same
reasons.  So too does Windows NT.  The plain fact of the matter is that there
are things that DOS applications *can* do that they simply *should not be
able* to do, because those things are more properly the remit of an operating
system, not applications softwares.  In many ways, DOS is indeed not a
complete operating system in this respect, since it fails to fully insulate
applications programs from the hardware.  

Summary: Protected mode operating systems that insulate applications programs
from the hardware and from one another, and that are not based on DOS and so
do not maintain the same internal kernel data structures as DOS, namely OS/2
Warp, Windows NT, and linux, will never support *all* of the APIs available in 
DOS.

Of course, this isn't a bad thing.  One doesn't need on OS/2 the sort of DOS
applications that call these APIs in the first place.  There's no need to hunt 
down a DOS disc sector editor when there are many OS/2 utilities such as DFSEE 
and the Graham Utilities for OS/2, all of which are *native* tools that use
native OS/2 facilities to access discs at a low level, using the OS/2 system
API to perform the proper interlocking to prevent filesystem inconsistencies
and bypassing security controls.  The native OS/2 utilities are often better
designed.  The HPFSVIEW and FAT-VIEW tools from the Graham Utilities are
multithreaded, for example, performing disc I/O in the background.  And the
DOS utilities are often sorely lacking when it comes to modern hardware.  OS/2 
disc sector editing utilities have no 1024 cylinder problem, for example,
because they use native OS/2 facilities and OS/2 has no 1024 cylinder problem. 
 But DOS disc sector editing utilities often use the BIOS INT 13h API for hard 
disc I/O, which *does* have a 1024 cylinder problem. 

  JdeBP 

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From: George White                                      01-Nov-99 07:52:01
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: Swap Question

Hi Roy,

On 31-Oct-99, Roy J. Tellason wrote to George White:


 RJT> George White wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 GW>> The ideal situation if you have a smallish old drive is to use it
 GW>> as a dedicated swap drive.

 RJT> Yes?  I remember bringing this up some time back,  and at least
 RJT> some opinions were to the effect that the slower speed of an
 RJT> older drive would be a disadvantage in this case

It depends just how slow the old drive is...
I wouldn't try it with the oldest working drive I have here - a 30 MB
RLL drive with a _70_ mS average seek time.

 RJT> I *do* have some 170M drives around,  and should probably look at
 RJT> putting one into the OS/2 box here,  if that's a good plan..

It's always worth a try. If it's a WD AC1170, it's specified as having
a "sub 13 mS" average seek, 4 mS track to track, and is 3322 rpm.
This should compare reasonably, as a dedicated swap drive, with a
modern drive with it's 7-10 mS seek and 5000 - 7200 rpm (yes, the data
transfer rate will be about half, but the over-riding factor is
normally the seek time).

George

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From: George White                                      01-Nov-99 08:10:19
  To: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: Network

Hi Linda,

On 29-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> Want to network new & old units.  The new will have OS/2 <G> but
 LP> the old will run DOS.  If I have Lantastic on the old unit, will
 LP> OS/2 Connect "connect" :-)  with it?

No. Lantastic will only network with Latastic :-(.
There are ways of networking DOS. From my archives:

/* (DOSNET.TXT)
===========================================================================
 BBS: DoNoR/2
Date: 28-10-97 (18:57)             Number: 5421
From: MARK LEWIS                   Refer#: 5420
  To: ALEC HERRMANN                 Recvd: NO  
Subj: OS/2 to DOS & Win95            Conf: (16) Os2lan
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 AH> As for the DOS box - you will have to get some networking
 AH> software for it.  The little known Microsoft Workgroups for
 AH> DOS will work.

i just went hunting for this... had to search for
"microsoft workgroup add-on for dos" to find it... then i
located the following article...

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q108/3/91.asp

on microsoft's page... it states, in part...

===== quote =====

The purpose of this article is to inform you that the Microsoft Network
Client - Workgroup Connection can be obtained free of
charge.

     Microsoft Network Client version 3.0 replaces
Microsoft Workgroup Add-On for MS-DOS and Microsoft
Workgroup Connection. Microsoft Network Client version 3.0
is the preferred MS-DOS network client software. However,
Microsoft will continue to make Workgroup Connection
available for customers who want its file and print server
capabilities.

===== quote =====

i'm pulling the file(s) mentioned in the article now and
will likely be playing with them over the next weeks... i'm
looking to do plain old netbios... maybe over tcp/ip or ipx
if needed... will have to see what i can break, eh?

)\/(ark

===========================================================================
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Date: 28-10-97 (11:32)             Number: 5426
From: LEE ARONER                   Refer#: 5425
  To: STEVEN COX                    Recvd: NO
Subj: OS/2 to DOS & Win95            Conf: (16) Os2lan
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SC> I now have 3 different computers running 3 different
SC> os's.  I have specific
  > uses for each & need to connect them all.  The main
  > machine runs OS/2.  The
  > Win95 machine is important & the dos box could go away.

SC> What is the best way to connect these boxes?  The OS/2
SC> & win95 boxes are in
  > different rooms but running cable is not a problem.
  > The dos box is next to the
  > OS/2 box.

SC> All I need is a communication link between the 2 boxes.
SC>  I would like to be
  > able to access my BBS from the Win95 & dos boxes.

   You can run the MS network client on the DOS box, then all three
   boxes will be able to see each other.

   Here's how:

   Download the following files from MS:

   ftp.microsoft.com in /bussys/clients/msclient - Files are:
   DSK3-1.EXE and DSK3-2.EXE

   You also need to get the newer NET.EXE file from
   /softlib/mslfiles - File is: WG1049.EXE (Adds server capability)

   You will need a network card that includes an NDIS 2.0 or greater
   driver. (Most all do...). Don't expect a bus-mastering driver to
   work without some pain. (I could NOT get a Kingston PCI 100mbs
   card to work with QEMM at all, had to go back to an ISA card).

   Install the first two disks and get it working as a client. Then
   overwrite your original NET.EXE file with the above version, and
   you will have server capability.

   Suggest you change the default values for "Sessions" and "NCBs"
   in PROTOCOL.INI to at least 16 and 32 respectively. The default
   values are insufficient.

   Using QEMM and the Helix mouse driver and disk cache, and running
   QEMM's VIDRAM, I get about 609k free for my DOS BBS to run in,
   and that's WITH a 8 meg ram disk, and FAX and Stomper modem
   sharing TSR's installed. Works like a champ, but it gets a bit
   unstable when a BBS caller does a Doorway shell and pokes around
   the network.

                                       LRA

*/



George

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From: George White                                      01-Nov-99 08:14:22
  To: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: Re: W 4 difs.

Hi Linda,

On 29-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to George White:


  -=> Greetings,

 LP> George White wrote to Andy Roberts <=-

 GW>> I suspect everyone now knoes more than they ever wanted to about
 GW>> Warp 4 versions...

 LP> Not necessarily.  Helps to have knowledge when asking questions.

Well, I would summarise it as: There is only one retail build of OS/2
Warp V4, it comes in various packaging options (full, upgrade,
student), but they are all the same software build. So don't worry
about looking for a specific version, the only practical difference
I'm aware of is that some versions (student?) didn't include the
headset.


George

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From: George White                                      01-Nov-99 08:30:18
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   03-Nov-99 00:38:02
Subj: Network

Hi Roy,

On 31-Oct-99, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Peter Knapper:


 RJT> Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 PK>> Your "best" option at this point seems to be to go to the MS Web
 PK>> site and see if they still have the DOS Requestor package still
 PK>> available and use that.

 RJT> I don't know about that...       :-)

See my message to Linda.

George

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From: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  02-Nov-99 05:27:17
  To: Peter Knapper                                     03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: Network

> LP> Want to network new & old units.  The new will have OS/2 <G> but the old
> LP> will run DOS.  If I have Lantastic on the old unit, will OS/2 Connect
> LP> "connect" :-)  with it?
>You really want to do it the hard way dont you.....;-) OS/2 Warp Connect does
>not come with any Lantastic support at all. There WAS a Lantastic for OS/2
>many years ago, but I think it died a slow death and you may be pushed to
find
>anything still around for it now.

     The current version is the OLD " Lantastic for OS/2 ", but there is a New
version currently in developement now.  Its currently being Beta Tested now.
My understanding they will be releasing it in the next month or so.  Just in
time for Y2K.

     A programmer I know currently is Beta Testing it.  He works for the
company that owns Lantastic.  I don't run it so I don't know much about it.
This was information he expressed to me when we where talking about some PEER
and TCP/IP problems I was having.

Glen
The Animal

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From: Francois Thunus                                   02-Nov-99 10:30:00
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: DAT

Hello All!

I have to replace the old DAT by something else. ANybody has an idea of a nice 
hardware/software combo that runs under OS/2 ? Additionnal OSes are definitely 
a plus, including DOS, NT and Linux.

                             -= Francois =-

"Necessity hath no law!" Oliver Cromwell 1599-1658

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   01-Nov-99 16:47:24
  To: Holger Granholm                                   03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

On Saturday October 30 1999 at 18:44, Holger Granholm wrote to Murray Lesser:

 ML>> What Bob forgot to tell you is that Pete's Web page offers downloads
 ML>> to subscribers (small annual fee) only.

 HG> Oh shit, thanks for the info.

Considering that Hobbes and LEO are several orders of magnitude larger than
that particular BBS, and permit direct downloads for free, why waste money?

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From: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 17:55:01
  To: Will Honea                                        03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 WH> Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 10-31-1999

 WH> DOS LAN system here - I should have - and I'll put it on the CD if your
 WH> friend figures out how to get the stuff delivered.  I assume you have a
 WH> CDROM with multisession capability.

I'm not certain what you mean by multisession.  I have a SCSI CDROM.

Has Hartmut not emailed you yet?  he said he would on Sunday.



Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 17:59:09
  To: Peter Knapper                                     03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Personally, I would rather pick up a couple of real cheap NE2000
 PK> Ethernet cards for around $20ea ($10us) and use those rather than play

Have, but also may want to check both options.  Need to Y2K a friend's
laptop soon & the p or s port option might be a good option.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      02-Nov-99 18:25:24
  To: Will Honea                                        03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: Re: OS/2 Backup Program

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 WH> earlier releases floating about in some of the archives.  Best advice I
 WH> have is if you don't know what it is and why you need it (without
 WH> asking) then don't mess with it.  It can bite you.

To true.  Don't need a server anyway.  Just need to lan 2 units
ogether.  Just wondered what the diff was between the 2 HPFSs


Anon,

Linda

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From: Holger Granholm                                   02-Nov-99 20:37:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 10-31-99, Murray Lesser said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Murray,

ML>    VMODEM is part of the SIO package.  It acts as both telnet
ML>client and telnet server, so you can both download and upload files
ML>through it.

Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but I
think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use VModem.
I connect with modem.

HG>Well, it's up to him I guess. I like to FTP rather than using the
  >browser.

ML>    So do I.  As far as I am concerned, using a browser for anything
ML>is a last resort, to be avoided if at all possible.

Same here ;-)

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   02-Nov-99 20:37:00
  To: Dan Egli                                          03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

In a message dated 10-31-99, Dan Egli said to Holger Granholm:

DE>All the "BBS READY" CD-Roms I've seen come with each diectory
DE>containing a files.bbs for the files. files.bbs is the most common
DE>denominator for BBS file bases, so I think that would be sufficent.

Hello Dan,

You ain't seen much then!  None of the ten CD's from Walnut Creek has
a FILES.BBS.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   02-Nov-99 20:37:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        03-Nov-99 05:14:26
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 10-31-99, Jack Stein said to Andy Roberts:

 AR> I was looking for a quick way to add blank spaces for a left
 AR> margin.

JS>I use GAWK or SED.  

JS>GAWK '{print "   "$0}' file.txt >lpt1  

Hi Jack,

BOTH and CPRINT (that started this) are used to print on both sides of
the paper.

A sideline is that you can set various options before starting the
printout of your file.

A quick way to add left blank spaces is to set a macro (my printer has
four available) with the font and the margins you want to use and then
choose the appropriate macro from the printer panel.

JS>Look for:
JS>GAWK304D.ZIP   GAWK Documentation (926K)
JS>GAWK304X.ZIP   GAWK Text Processing Language for OS/2, DOS and
JS>WIN32. (435K)

Ouch what a space filler on the HD.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: John Thompson                                     02-Nov-99 15:38:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          03-Nov-99 06:34:07
Subj: Msg Reader

In a message to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara, Bat Lang wrote re: Msg Reader

BL> I've been using BlueWave (BW) for DOS for years. It works fine in a VDM
BL> also, which is where I am right now, responding to your msg. I also have
BL> the OS/2 version, but prefer to work in my DOS 'element', doing the BBS
BL> calling with my DOS comm pgm, and OLR with BW. The Y2K outlook for BW is
BL> not too bad for the BW format, so long as the linked BBS runs a Y2K
BL> compatible BW door. 

So what is the extent of the y2k problem with respect to QWK?  Is
it only that my messages will be seen as posted in 1900 instead 
of 2000?


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From: John Thompson                                     02-Nov-99 15:38:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 06:34:07
Subj: Network

In a message to Will Honea, Linda Proulx wrote re: Network

LP> Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an OS/2 unit &
LP> a DOS unit?

There is a parallel-port network interface driver but the 
performance is not stellar.  With the price of real NIC's these 
days you could get much better performance even with a cheap 
10-base-T ethernet connection.

If you're just looking for a quick way to transfer stuff from one
machine to another you can run Laplink in a DOS session under 
OS/2.  The "INTERLNK" program that Microsoft included with MS-DOS
v6.x also works in an OS/2-DOS session.

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From: John Thompson                                     02-Nov-99 15:38:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 06:34:07
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

In a message to Will Honea, Linda Proulx wrote re: OS/2 Backup Program

WH> still wanting HPFS386, be forewarned that recovery of drives with
WH> HPFS386 installed is very dicey - ranging from a real PITA to
WH> impossible!
 
LP> Is this different from HPFS?

Yes.  It is the server version of HPFS.  The main reasons why 
people want to use it on stand-alone machines are that it removes
the 2MB cache limit of the standard HPFS and it is fully 32-bit 
and runs in processor ring0, so it a little faster (doesn't have 
to make the ring transitions that the standard HPFS does).    

The main problems with HPFS386 are that since it is
server-oriented, it uses "ACL's" (access control lists) to
restrict user accesses.  The stand-alone versions of OS/2 have no
means of dealing with ACL's, and as Will noted above, the
presence of ACL's can cause a great deal of difficulty when you
need to recover files and such.  Finally, use of HPFS386 on a
standard OS/2 installation is not supported by IBM and is
considered to be a license violation.  Use at your own risk.


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From: Ray Hyder                                         03-Nov-99 02:39:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     03-Nov-99 06:34:07
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

 
 * Reply to a msg from Murray Lesser @ 1:109/347 on 10-31-99        
 
 ML> bugs in the programming interface (IMO, more bugs have been 
 ML> introduced by FixPaks than were in the original code).  Early 
 ML> CSDs did not add new features. 
 
Murray, my experience is that the newer fixpaks are well tested by IBM and
introduce very few, if any, problems.  I'm at OS/2 V4 with FP12 installed. It
is the best version of OS/2 I've seen yet.  Very smoooth and reliable. 
 
 ML> * MR/2 2.25 #120 * If it ain't broke, don't FixPak it. 
 
Murray, I used to feel the same way.  "If it ain't broke don't fix it!" 
 
My advice now would be to get to the current version of OS/2.  - ray  
 
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Nov-99 22:55:10
  To: Dave Davidson                                     03-Nov-99 06:34:07
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Dave Davidson wrote in a message to Ian Moote:

 IM> According to Andy's report, FDisk _isn't_ deleting the partitions.
 IM> According to him, when you reboot the FAT32 partition is still
 IM> there. So, is is still there when you reboot?

 DD>  Yes. When I run the OS/2 install disks and it gets to FDISK, 
 DD> it shows a  Type B partition, with the only options available 
 DD> is to delete the  partition. When I delete it and exit FDISK, 
 DD> the partition doesn't appear  to be there. However, upon 
 DD> re-booting, it's there again.

What happens to your options after fdisk has said it's deleted that partition, 
but before the reboot?  Do you have any other choices?

(Added later) Never mind,  I see where you say you don't.

<...>

 IM> Andy reported that FDisk was not removing the FAT32 partition. 
 IM> You're the one running the software, does FDisk say that the 
 IM> partition is still there or not? How much free space is it
 IM> reporting?

 DD>   It's only showing half the HD or around 2GB. I don't remember 
 DD> the exact numbers, but it is weird! When the Type B partition 
 DD> is _deleted_ by FDISK, OS/2 reports there's not enough room to 
 DD> load Boot Manager or anything else.

_After_ the deletion?

A couple of things come to mind here.  What size is that drive again?  What is 
the setup in cmos with regard to the drive's geometry?  And,  have you updated 
any of the install files to those dealing with large disks?

<...>

 DD> I'm building   another machine from scratch also for OS/2, with 
 DD> a Soyo MB, with a Pentium   120 CPU. That's the machine I 
 DD> wanted to use the 10.3GB Seagate HD in.

That one would definitely require the updated files on the boot disks.

 DD>   As I mentioned in a previous post, each of the three drives 
 DD> discussed,   4.3GB Seagate, 2.5 WD and 10.3GB Seagate were 
 DD> installed as a single drive while trying to load OS/2, as well 
 DD> as being in a Master/Slave configuration. Each with the same 
 DD> results. I spent almost 24 hours trying to get OS/2 loaded on 
 DD> that machine.

The 2.5 shouldn't be a problem,  the 4.3 I'm not sure about in this respeect.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Nov-99 23:41:21
  To: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 06:34:07
Subj: Network

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RT> What network cards do you have?

 LP> Ethernet I do believe. 

I was looking for brand/model,  actually.

 LP> What Lantastic will run on.  Have an older version of it.

Well,  I hope it's not some of the proprietary stuff they pushed for a
while...

I've heard that it can be a real pain to try and get those to work with
anything else.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Nov-99 23:34:19
  To: Hans-Ole Larsen                                   03-Nov-99 06:34:07
Subj: Network DOS-OS/2

Hans-Ole Larsen wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> I got a couple of different packages from m$,  and could't get either
 RJT> one of them working here.  Which is why this (dos/dv) box is the least
 RJT> connected of the four machines sitting here...

 HL>  I have fairly recently used a DOS-requester with a
 HL> TCPIP-addon. It worked  "fair", meaning that you COULD share
 HL> drives both ways (AFAIR), and you COULD  copy files etc.,
 HL> but the connection was not entirely stable. Eventually it 
 HL> ALWAYS locked the DOS machine solid.

That's about the size of it,  and since I run the bbs on this box,  I decided
to stop playing with it...

If nothing else,  I'll eventually find my package and install the OS/2 stuff
on this box that's working on the other one,  and get connected that way.

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From: Garth Ramsay                                      01-Nov-99 19:10:12
  To: Dave Davidson                                     03-Nov-99 13:25:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

31-Oct-99 14:46:41, Dave Davidson wrote to Ian Moote
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32



 DD> Well, maybe.... The machine I'm attempting to install OS/2 on is
 DD> an AMD K6/2-350, PC-100 MB, Award PnP Bios (with the latest flash

Dave...

  Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's....

  HA HA, HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

 OOP's....

 Did I say that out loud?????


 -=> Garth Ramsay <=-

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From: Andy Roberts                                      03-Nov-99 06:02:12
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      03-Nov-99 13:25:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Garth Ramsay,

01-Nov-99 19:10:25, Garth Ramsay wrote to Dave Davidson
 GR> 31-Oct-99 14:46:41, Dave Davidson wrote to Ian Moote
 GR> Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 DD>> Well, maybe.... The machine I'm attempting to install OS/2 on is
 DD>> an AMD K6/2-350, PC-100 MB, Award PnP Bios (with the latest flash

 GR> Dave...
 GR> Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's....
 GR> HA HA, HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
 GR> OOP's....
 GR> Did I say that out loud?????

IIRC Dave got that K6/2-350 hoping to get WinXX to run as fast as OS/2 does on
his 486.  <gd&r>  

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      03-Nov-99 06:58:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   03-Nov-99 13:25:09
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

 Holger Granholm,

02-Nov-99 20:37:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Murray Lesser
 HG> 10-31-99, Murray Lesser said to Holger Granholm:
          Subject: An Inquiring Mind

 ML>> VMODEM is part of the SIO package.  It acts as both telnet client and
 ML>> telnet server, so you can both download and upload files through it.

 HG> Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but
 HG> I think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use
 HG> VModem. I connect with modem.

VModem does not need a full time connection to your ISP.  VModem does require
that you establish your temporary dial up connection to your ISP before
loading.  It gets a TCP/IP stack ID#, like any other Internet client thread.
VModem also needs to have the Internet port assigned.
--- Excerpt Config.sys ---
DEVICE=D:\SIO\SIO.SYS (2,2F8,3,-) (4,2E8,5,-) (COM5,INTERNET:4220,NONE:3)
---

In my case ComPorts 2 and 4 are real modems, but 5 is the Virtual Modem.

Normally I allow AdeptXBBS to have ComPort5 for incoming Telnet.  So I have to
disable that port in Adept before my outbound Telnet sessions using VModem and
Terminate.  DOS Terminate won't see ComPort5 unless VModem is loaded first.
To connect to a remote Telnet site you can either use the auto dialer or from
the terminal screen type ATDT#204.194.180.10 or ATDTbbs.os2bbs.com to reach
Pete Norloff's for free file D/L and all other normal dial up BBS functions.

To summarize that, I dial my ISP with the real modem on ComPort2, then load
VModem, which uses ComPort5, then load Terminate, then dial ATDT<IP-address>.

BTW, there is nothing special about Terminate to use Telnet.  Any terminal
prgm will work with VModem.  I haven't tried ZOC, but some native OS/2 prgms
like AdeptXBBS don't need VModem because it has similar features coded into
the app.  There is a slightly different setup for Adept to use VModem or not
use VModem to accomplish the same task.  Whether I use VModem with Adept
depends on what the remote Telnet site is running.  If they too are using
Adept, then I don't need VModem.  But if they are using MAX or BBBS then I do
need VModem with Adept to reach their front-end mailer.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Stewart Buckingham                                03-Nov-99 13:52:23
  To: Holger Granholm                                   03-Nov-99 20:07:28
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

Hi Holger,

> Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings? I don't run 4OS2
> but I do run a PCBoard 2-node BBS, Fido et al.

If you are familiar with REXX you could probably easily write a REXX script to 
convert the FILES.BBS file into PCBoard DIR format. Or probably easier is to
modify the existing script to write a PCB DIR file instead of a FILES.BBS
file. (if you know REXX). There are probably 3rd party utilities around which
do that too.

Stu/2

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   03-Nov-99 12:06:06
  To: George White                                      03-Nov-99 22:31:21
Subj: Swap Question

George White wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 GW>> The ideal situation if you have a smallish old drive is to use it
 GW>> as a dedicated swap drive.

 RJT> Yes?  I remember bringing this up some time back,  and at least
 RJT> some opinions were to the effect that the slower speed of an
 RJT> older drive would be a disadvantage in this case

 GW> It depends just how slow the old drive is... I wouldn't try it 
 GW> with the oldest working drive I have here - a 30 MB RLL drive 
 GW> with a _70_ mS average seek time.

 RJT> I *do* have some 170M drives around,  and should probably look at
 RJT> putting one into the OS/2 box here,  if that's a good plan..

 GW> It's always worth a try. If it's a WD AC1170, it's specified as 
 GW> having a "sub 13 mS" average seek, 4 mS track to track, and is 
 GW> 3322 rpm. This should compare reasonably, as a dedicated swap 
 GW> drive, with a modern drive with it's 7-10 mS seek and 5000 - 
 GW> 7200 rpm (yes, the data transfer rate will be about half, but 
 GW> the over-riding factor is normally the seek time).

These were Conner drives.  I don't know the specs offhand,  but they were not
all that hot to begin with,  as I recall.

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  03-Nov-99 13:17:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 22:31:21
Subj: Network

Hello Linda!

01 Nov 99 21:07, Linda Proulx wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 WH>>> with
 LP>> Is there a way to null cable parallel to parallel between an OS/2
 LP>> unit & a DOS unit?
 CV>>     Of course. Parallel Port Adapter in MPTS.
 LP>                                              ^^^^?
 LP> And this means?
    Multi Protocol Transport Service.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 13:07:26
  To: John Thompson                                     03-Nov-99 22:31:21
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 JT> There is a parallel-port network interface driver but the
 JT> performance is not stellar.  With the price of real NIC's these

But I could connect say a laptop to the os2 unit?

Linda

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 13:12:14
  To: John Thompson                                     03-Nov-99 22:31:21
Subj: Re: OS/2 Backup Program

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 JT> standard OS/2 installation is not supported by IBM and is
 JT> considered to be a license violation.  Use at your own risk.

Just wondered what it was.  Don't need the server stuff.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 13:15:10
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   03-Nov-99 22:31:21
Subj: Re: Network

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> I was looking for brand/model,  actually.

Sorry, can't remember off hand, but believe it's an adaptek (sp).

 LP> What Lantastic will run on.  Have an older version of it.

 RJT> Well,  I hope it's not some of the proprietary stuff they pushed for a
 RJT> while...

No.  It will run on any good card.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 13:24:13
  To: Jack Stein                                        03-Nov-99 22:31:21
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

Greetings and Salutations,

     -=> Holger Granholm wrote to Jack Stein <=-

 HG> In a message dated 10-29-99, Jack Stein said to Holger Granholm:

 JS>MTELB5.ZIP     OS/2/WIN95 Telenet.  Use to Telenet BBS's on the
 JS>Internet. (54K)

 HG> Thanks Jack for the hint. If you happen to have e-mail, could you
 HG> please attach it to an e-mail to: holgra@alcom.aland.fi

Me, too? %)


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 13:35:06
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 22:31:21
Subj: Question Again

Greetings,

What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe file?


Anon,

Linda

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From: Will Honea                                        03-Nov-99 21:01:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   03-Nov-99 21:01:00
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

Holger Granholm wrote to Murray Lesser on 11-02-1999

HG> Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but
HG> I think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use
HG> VModem. I connect with modem. 

Nope.  Vmodem is a telnet server/client that has a front end that
looks like a modem to other software.  Uses a 'dummy' port and makes
the internet connection transparent to the using software.  Nice
utility as you can then use any software that would normally 'dial' a
modem to get to the internet.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        03-Nov-99 21:10:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      03-Nov-99 21:10:01
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

Andy Roberts wrote to Holger Granholm on 11-03-1999

AR> VModem does not need a full time connection to your ISP.  VModem
AR> does require that you establish your temporary dial up connection to
AR> your ISP before loading.  It gets a TCP/IP stack ID#, like any other
AR> Internet client thread. VModem also needs to have the Internet port
AR> assigned. 

Not exactly, Andy.  I use Vmodem here such that it triggers Injoy on
demand.  It does not require a connection before loading, just that
tcp/ip be up and running.  By default it uses the 'well-known' telnet
port ( 23 ) but you can assign it to any port you want via command
line parms.  I run it on port 60 which is defined to be 'user defined'
to avoid conflicts with telnetd.  That lets me have port 23 available
full time (and simutaneously active with Vmodem) for incoming telnet. 
I can have several telnet sessions and Vmodem all going at once.  Like
you, I assign it an SIO port that is out of the way but I don't assign
the virtual interrupt since I never use it with DOS programs anyway.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        03-Nov-99 21:15:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      03-Nov-99 21:15:02
Subj: Re: Network

Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 11-02-1999

LP> I'm not certain what you mean by multisession.  I have a SCSI
LP> CDROM.
LP> 
LP> Has Hartmut not emailed you yet?  he said he would on Sunday.

Nary a whisper.  Maybe time to light a small fire<g>.  Just in case:
He doesn't use Hotmail does he?  I filter and trash any Hotmail
originated messages as they come in - too much SPAM, too many kiddie
viruses to bother with it.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Keith Kottwitz                                    03-Nov-99 19:54:25
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 05:31:04
Subj: Moderator

Hello All,

ML>     If we had an active moderator on this echo, that person would have
ML> been complaining about "off-topic" long before now :-).

    Hi Murray,

    This is as true a statement as I've heard in a long time. I regretfully 
haven't been active in fidonet, besides keeping the mail coming in and 
insuring that the echo has recieved the widest possible distribution. I had 
thought my schedule would slow down, giving me a chance for my hobbies but I 
see now that this isn't going to happen in the near future. That is why I have
decided to relinquish the moderator position to the person that the users 
elect for the position. This echo deserves activity from it's moderator and I 
have been negligent in the fact that I didn't make this decission long ago.
    I'll be leaving fidonet as an active node by the end of the year so I'll 
be able to be reached by netmail or by e-mail at my address below. We are 
still registered and in good standings with the e-list robot and are on all of
the backbones with the exception of the gated inet ones. 
    You guys have been just excellent and have taught me a whole lot about 
OS/2, which continues to be my os of choice, when I get a chance to set down 
at my personal PC. And you can believe that when I have a problem or question,
this it the first place I will go to. It's still the preimer OS/2 information 
source in the world and you all have a lot to be proud of.

ttyl...   Keith Kottwitz
        KeithK@infoave.net

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From: Murray Lesser                                     03-Nov-99 15:17:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   03-Nov-99 15:17:00
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-02-99, Holger Granholm to Murray
Lesser)

Hi Holger--

ML>    VMODEM is part of the SIO package.  It acts as both telnet
ML>client and telnet server, so you can both download and upload files
ML>through it.

HG>Yes I know that because I'm using SIO v1.60. Maybe I'm wrong, but I
  >think one has to have a continuous connection to an ISP to use
  >VModem. I connect with modem.

    Where did you get that strange idea?  I usually connect to my ISP by
modem dial-up every morning, checking for e-mail (using MR/2 ICE) and
uploading to and downloading from the conferences I am interested in on
Pete Norloff's BBS by telnet (vmodem).  My total connect time per day
(unless I am downloading a program, or have some reason to frustrate
myself by trying to get information from the Web) is usually less than
two minutes.  For safety's sake, my computer is physically disconnected
from the telephone line when I am not using the modem.  (Since I don't
run a BBS, I do not accept incoming modem calls.  All reading/writing is
done off-line.)

    Try it.  You might like it.

    BTW.  This message will not be uploaded to Pete's BBS until I
connect again tomorrow morning (4 November).  The time stamp is for the
time I wrote the message, not the time it was received by the BBS.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Holger Granholm                                   03-Nov-99 09:13:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      04-Nov-99 07:58:28
Subj: Install question

In a message dated 11-01-99, Linda Proulx said to All:

LP>Wonder if Warp 3 blue got installed, what would happen if installed
LP>Warp 3 blue connect over it.

Stop worrying Linda and get it done!

Regards,

Holger

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From: John Thompson                                     03-Nov-99 16:00:00
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      04-Nov-99 07:58:28
Subj: 2.1

In a message to All, Ron Nicholls wrote re: 2.1

RN> It was one of those bright sunday afternoons but cold in the wind,
RN> when I was hunting around in an old wardrobe and stumbled
RN> across a box of "2.1 for Windows" blue spine and thought, HEY!
RN> what the heck.
RN> 
RN> I had a spare drive, in a caddy, and we were off and and running
RN> 
RN> Do you remember ? -
RN> 
RN> 
RN> After disk 4 you reinsert the disks installation and one
RN> before continuing with the rest.
RN> I wondered why the disk images weren't stored
RN> in a temp directory to avoid this?

Because when OS/2 v2.1 came out most people couldn't afford HD's 
large enough to store the images, even temporarily.

RN> The properties / settings notebook was accessed
RN> from the "Open" cascade menu.
RN> 
RN> The windows had no close button, I got caught 
RN> diving for the top right corner every time :-)

But you can add one with NPSWPS...
 
RN> There was a start button at the top of the desktop
RN> which opened the online manual
RN> 
RN> Maybe an MS contribution

No... OS/2 v2.1 came out in 1993, two years before Microsoft came
out with their own "Start" button.

RN> The productivity folder contained, among other things
RN> 
RN> database
RN> spreadsheet
RN> charting program
RN> the usual planners/calender
RN> 
RN> *** the above got included into Works later on ***

Much better version got included with IBMWorks.  The PIM aplets 
were pretty rudimentary.  I till have them installed on this 
machine (upgraded from v2.1 many years ago) but I haven't opened 
them inquite some time.



 * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net


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From: John Thompson                                     03-Nov-99 16:00:00
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      04-Nov-99 07:58:28
Subj: Confirmation Needed

In a message to Charles Gaefke, Ron Nicholls wrote re: Confirmation Needed

RN> How do you format a zip, hpfs,charles?

IIRC, you need one of the newer fixpacks.  You need to "lock" the
ZIP drive to format and use it and explicitly "unlock" the drive 
to remove the disk.


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From: John Thompson                                     03-Nov-99 16:00:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      04-Nov-99 07:58:28
Subj: Install question

In a message to ALL, Linda Proulx wrote re: Install question

LP> Wonder if Warp 3 blue got installed, what would happen if installed Warp
LP> 3 blue connect over it.

If you already have Warp blue installed, all you need from the 
"Connect" package is the tcp/ip stuff, which is a separate 
installation anyway.  Just put the Connect CD in the drive, run 
"PRODINST.CMD" in the root directory of the CD and select the 
tcp/ip package to install. No problem.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     04-Nov-99 19:43:05
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      04-Nov-99 07:58:28
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hi Garth,

 DD> Well, maybe.... The machine I'm attempting to install OS/2 on is
 DD> an AMD K6/2-350, PC-100 MB, Award PnP Bios (with the latest flash

 GR> Dave...

 GR>   Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's....

Just as well you aren't a friend of mine then.....;-) My BBS has been running
Warp 3 on a K6-2-300 for the past 6 months and the K6 has been just as
reliable (and heaps faster) as the 486DX2-66 it ran on for 5 years! What
specifically have you found wrong with this particular chip?

Cheers.................pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     04-Nov-99 20:22:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      04-Nov-99 07:58:28
Subj: Question Again

Hi Linda,

 LP> What is a cmd file & what is the difference between it & an exe file?

A .CMD file is the OS/2 version of a .BAT file, however there are a number of
enhancements to be aware of -
  1. If you try and run a .BAT file from an OS/2 prompt, it will open a DOS
window and run the .BAT file in the DOS window.
  2. A .CMD file can contain pretty much the same statements as a .BAT file
(with quite a few extras as well), however it will run in an OS/2 session. If
the .CMD file contains statements that execute programs, then OS/2 will
attempt to run them as OS/2 programs, however if it detects them as DOS
programs, then it will open a DOS window to run them there.
  3. A .CMD file can also be a REXX Command file. If the FIRST line of a .CMD
file is a REXX Comment line similar to this -
/* This is a REXX comment line. */
(note that the leading / character MUST start in column 1), then it will treat 
the .CMD file as a REXX program and try to run it as one.

Regards..........pk.


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From: Murray Lesser                                     04-Nov-99 17:49:00
  To: Ray Hyder                                         04-Nov-99 17:49:00
Subj: FixPak Follies

(Excerpts from a message dated 11-03-99, Ray Hyder to Murray Lesser,
original topic: OS2 2.1 IS Dead):

Hi Ray--

 ML> bugs in the programming interface (IMO, more bugs have been 
 ML> introduced by FixPaks than were in the original code).  Early 
 ML> CSDs did not add new features. 

RH>Murray, my experience is that the newer fixpaks are well tested by
  >IBM and introduce very few, if any, problems.  I'm at OS/2 V4 with
  >FP12 installed. It is the best version of OS/2 I've seen yet.  Very
  >smoooth and reliable. 

    As any programmer knows, it is impossible to test complex software
to the point that one can guarantee that it is bug free.  (A very old
programmer's adage is that the only bug-free software is software that
is no longer in use!)  This is particularly true for an operating system
that can be installed in many different configurations on many makes
(and combinations of makes) of hardware.  You might take the time some
day to check out how many of the new files in your newest FixPak replace
those same-named files that were updated in a previous FixPak.

    My experience has not been the same as yours.  I have had too many
FixPaks that broke programs I had been using for years before, and I had
to back out of them.  My most recent example was FixPak 6 for Warp 4,
which failed to boot at times :-(.  (Such intermittent bugs are very
hardware dependent.)  So I backed out to Warp 4 FixPak 5, which I am
still running.  I'm not going to try later FixPaks just to see if that
bug was fixed!

    Also, some HPFS-related FixPak since the last time I formatted an
Iomega Zip diskette HPFS (under Warp 3 FixPak 5) has modified my system
so it can no longer do that.  I learned about this when trying to format
a Zip diskette HPFS the other day as a test before attempting a reply to
a query asking how to do it.  Since I had run enough tests under Warp 3
to determine that I had no personal interest in Zip diskettes formatted
HPFS, I haven't attempted to chase down this newly discovered
FixPak-induced bug :-).

    Not to speak of the high probability of the FixPak writers making
poorer design decisions than were made for the "unfixed" original, so
their FixPak has to be fixed again with later FixPaks :-(.  For example:
Consider the "Y2K fix" in Warp 4 FixPak 5, for the file date returned by
the REXX STREAM(...QUERY DATETIME) function.  It was easier to program
the correct four-digit year for all allowable file dates from the
original two- or three-digit "buggy" return than it is to derive the
correct four-digit year from the two-digit values always returned by the
"fixed" version.  Furthermore, It isn't possible to derive the correct
four-digit year from the values returned by the "fixed" version for file
dates after December 31, 2079--if anyone cares!)  To make matters worse
for the REXX programmer (and that program's user) these two workarounds
are incompatible, so REXX programs that use the "wrong" workaround for
the REXX interpreter level won't produce the correct answer.  (There is
a workaround for this, but you get the idea.)

    To add insult to this injury, the FixPak gremlins introduced two new
fixes into FixPak 6 for the problem they had created in FixPak 5: the
all-new STREAM(...QUERY TIMESTAMP) option and a new switch for the
SysFileTree() function, to return file dates with four-digit years.  Of
course, if you use either of these new function forms in your REXX
program, that usage will throw a "syntax" condition when anyone attempts
to run that program under pre-FixPak-6 REXX interpreters.  So now you
have to be careful about whom you give it to :-(.

    I am sure that I could find other FixPak misadventures than those I
have related here, if I tried very hard.

 ML> * MR/2 2.25 #120 * If it ain't broke, don't FixPak it. 
 
RH>Murray, I used to feel the same way.  "If it ain't broke don't fix
  >it!"
 
RH>My advice now would be to get to the current version of OS/2.

    Very poor advice.  Have you tested enough to be certain that your
current system is really less buggy than it was before you applied your
latest FixPak?

    After over six years of running various versions of OS/2, and too
much experience with ills introduced by FixPaks, I have learned not to
apply a FixPak (after the first few following the introduction of a new
version of the operating system) unless it supports new hardware that I
intend to install, or it adds new function that I want.  I have
carefully read the README for Warp 4 FixPak 10 (the most recent that I
have on CD-ROM), but have decided not to try installing it because there
is nothing in it that I need.

    De gustibus,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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