
                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 23-Oct-1999 to Friday, 29-Oct-1999

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From: Jan Deboer                                        22-Oct-99 08:10:05
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Questions...

On 21 Oct 99  15:50:48 Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Jan Deboer...

 JD> Found a neat freeware file manager called File Freedom. End of
 JD> problem. Obviously, I wasn't the only one who thought something better
 JD> was needed!

 RB> LarserCommander is yet better than FileFreedom.

Is that a typo for LaserCommander? Sounds like a Norton Commander style
manager. Thanks for the info - I'll look for it, although, at least for
now, File Freedom has made me quite happy!


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From: Jan Deboer                                        22-Oct-99 08:50:16
  To: Jaap van.Veen                                     23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Questions...

On 19 Oct 99  21:31:10 Jaap van.Veen wrote to Jan Deboer...

 JD> I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K
 JD> troubles?
 Jv> Yes you must have FixPak 37 at minimum. 40 is out and 41 is
 Jv> coming soon.

Are you sure? I got the impression form the IBM website that fixpak 32
is all that is necessary for Y2K compatibility!



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From: Jan Deboer                                        22-Oct-99 07:56:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Questions...

On 20 Oct 99  18:40:00 Holger Granholm wrote to Jan Deboer...

 JD>Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how
 JD>could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
 JD>or rename files????????????!!!!!!!
[....]

 HG> However, a separate file manager isn't necessary because most of
 HG> it is already built-into Warp. You cannot however handle archived
 HG> files with the WPS functionality.

Yes, several helpful participants here have pointed out how file moving
and renaming can be done. However, it is neither intuitive nor quick -
too many mouse-clicks away! We found File Freedom (freeware) on a BBS,
installed it, and liked it. Enough similaritiy to the W3.1 file manager
that we feel comfortable, and a lot fewer clicks to accomplish tasks
than doing it via Warp.


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From: Jan Deboer                                        22-Oct-99 08:12:10
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Questions...

On 21 Oct 99  15:50:48 Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Jan Deboer...

 JD> Oh dear. I don't use my OS/2 machine for the internet. No browser
 JD> installed, since it only has total 1Gb HD capacity. Any alternative?

 RB> You're using windows95?! 1GB is optimal for OS2 with inet access!

No. I _had_ W95 installed on this 486, on a 2.6 Gb HD, using Ontrack
Disk manager (no LBA support). I removed the 2.6 Gb HD, and re-installed
the original two 540 Mb HD's, and then installed O/S2 Warp3.
I have not (yet) installed a Web browser on this 486, for Internet I use
either a P233 desktop, or a P266 notebook, both running W98.
However, I may have to install a browser, because I need to install
fixpak for Y2K compatibility, and one the disk images, xr_w032.4dk, will
not download from the IBM site. I may have to use the remote install
from that site, and will therefore need to connect with this 486.

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From: Jan Deboer                                        22-Oct-99 08:20:29
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Questions...

On 21 Oct 99  11:02:00 MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JAN DEBOER...

 JD> Oh dear. I don't use my OS/2 machine for the internet. No browser
 JD> installed, since it only has total 1Gb HD capacity. Any alternative?

 MR> Only 1GB?  You're new to computers, aren't you?

Not really - started out with Sinclair ZX80, then Vic20, Commie 64,
386DX20, then this 486. Currently, a P233mmx desktop, and P266mmx
notebook are the 'state-of-the-art' machines here. As well, there is a
basement full of sundry XT's, 2,3,486's built from upgrade
leftovers and yard sale acquisitions, including a WFWG3.11 network,
Linux running on a 386, and an xt and 286 or two running Opendos.

This 486 was current technology when bought (expensive mistake, best
buy = LAST generation!), and Warp3 was installed when it was released.
Eventually, the original 540 Mb HD's were replaced by a 2.6Gb using
OnTrack disk manager (no LBA support) and W95 was installed. My
experience was that IE gave far better 'net performance than Netscape.
However, the upgrade options ran out - no LBA, no PCI slots, and only 72
pin memory slots, so we bought a Pentium system, and this 486 sat
unused, until I dusted off the OS/2 Warp CD, and decided to have another
go at it, now that I have more time and patience for the learning curve.

 MR> The alternative is to download the fixpack in the form of
 MR> diskette images, create the diskettes, boot from the first one on
 MR> the OS/2 machine, and sit there swapping disks for a while.

That is what I preferred to do. If I used the (probably easier and less
problematic) remote install offered from the IBM site, then, if at a
later date I needed to re-install OS/2 for any reason, I would have to
return to the site for another remote fixpak install, and it is my
understanding that free access to fixpaks will end at year-end.
So, I thought it preferable to have the disk images, and do my own
fixpak install.
However, I have been thwarted, because, despite several attempts, disk
image xr_w032.4dk will not download from the site.

 MR> There is a way around that, but it'd require doing what you
 MR> probably don't know how to do, yet.

Try me   :)


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From: Dan Egli                                          21-Oct-99 23:34:18
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Registration

Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm unwilling to wait for
a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get one) and since I've already registered
Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is a method for disabling the stupid
registration reminder that pops up periodically.

Anyone know?

Thanks in Advance!

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From: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 14:30:12
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: More Questions ;-)

Greetings All,

Thought I'd start this message to let everyone know that I appreciate
everyone's assistance with my prep to OS/2.  And if I don't reply to
your info (because the info was saved and complete enough to not need
more clarification), please don't feel that I'm not using it.  I am.

Now to the questions.

If I install the red flavour of Warp 3 and get a copy of blue flavour
later, would there be a problem installing over the red, or do I have to
uninstall the red ?

Also looking for a suggestion for an OS/2 (or DOS, Win) file list maker
and utilities that extracts diz/readmes, etc from all archive types &
subdirectories & that also does not depend on board specific files.  And
if the archiver doesn't have to be in the path statement would even be
better.  Have tried a lot of them, but nothing quite makes it.  Or the
program is almost perfect but too old to support the newer archivers.
Qwiklist comes close but the last version I used had a bug with long
directories. DizCat V 1.0 also came close but doesn't deal with
subdirectories. Is there a utility that will read a file list &
move the file to another directory if not in the right directory? Or
read the diz/readmes & let me move the file? Or would a catalogue
program extract the files?

Also, what DOS & WIN programs that did not work with OS/2.  And what
OS/2 programs would be version specific.  Example, ones that work with
Dos 3.3 but won't with 5, etc.

Looking forward to replies.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 22:49:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Re: More Questions

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> Just clarifying things a bit here,  you're not talking about using a
 RJT> ram disk for your swap file,  are you?  That's not generally a real
 RJT> terrific idea,  if so...

I was, but not a good idea, right?

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 23:02:18
  To: Mike Roark                                        23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Re: W 4 difs.

Greetings,

-=> Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 MR> As for the server versions, I'm not sure what they come with other than
 MR> the lan server apps. Advanced might come with HPFS386, but I'm not

And that is?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 23:03:26
  To: Scott Jones                                       23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Scott Jones wrote to Stephen Haffly <=-

 SJ> 3.11, which made no improvements, but *did* break Win support in the
 SJ> red spine versions of OS/2.

So I can't run 311 with the red flavour?

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 23:06:28
  To: Mike Roark                                        23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 MR> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably recover
 MR> deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups before doing anything
 MR> destructive.

OH!  No one said anything about that!  No 3rd party undeletes?

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 23:08:29
  To: Holger Granholm                                   23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Greetings,

-=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> I'm using both MR/2 (MR2_226.ZIP), registered, and

Is MR/2 Y2Ked like MM31?

Thanks for the hint.

Soon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 23:17:25
  To: John Thompson                                     23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 JT> http://www.sun.com and follow the links for StarOffice.  The OS/2

I'm going to get a friend with a cable modem to get it for me.  thanks
for the link.

Soon,

Linda

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From: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              22-Oct-99 06:18:29
  To: Holger Granholm                                   23-Oct-99 01:22:20
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Hello Holger.

Mardi 19 Octobre 1999 19:41, Holger Granholm wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne:

 JD>> if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp.
 JD>> Any idea/workaround/suggestion?
 HG> First of all, is it an IDE or SCSI drive?
scsi, with original chinon scsi controller

 JD>> sure that warp connect would be better, on a 486dx33/8mb/250mb than
 JD>> win3.11 and all the problems he brings with him!
 HG> Yes Warp is very good but OTOH Win3.11 is the most stable Windows GUI
 HG> that I have ever used after I increased environment space to 768.
so it's nice to have Blue Spine :)

 HG> Like a german magazine put it; Windows 3.11 seems more and more like
 HG> the VolksWagen among operating systems. It just runs and runs and
 HG> runs......
that's probably why his owner wants to kill it.... if it's too stable, they
don't like :)

 HG> However, that operating system statement is wrong, it's only a GUI on
 HG> top of DOS.
as long as it is a good pc-dos :)

 HG> But I won't touch Win9x even with pliers.
I do. But I'm inconscious & love The Great Adventure.

Jean-Michel

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From: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 00:08:00
  To: Jan Deboer                                        23-Oct-99 00:08:00
Subj: Questions...

Jan Deboer wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara on 10-22-1999

JD> No. I _had_ W95 installed on this 486, on a 2.6 Gb HD, using
JD> Ontrack Disk manager (no LBA support). I removed the 2.6 Gb HD, and
JD> re-installed the original two 540 Mb HD's, and then installed O/S2
JD> Warp3. I have not (yet) installed a Web browser on this 486, for
JD> Internet I use either a P233 desktop, or a P266 notebook, both
JD> running W98. However, I may have to install a browser, because I
JD> need to install fixpak for Y2K compatibility, and one the disk
JD> images, xr_w032.4dk, will not download from the IBM site. I may have
JD> to use the remote install from that site, and will therefore need to
JD> connect with this 486.

Jan, I would very strongly suggest you forget FP32 and go straight to
fp38, 39, or 40 - preferably 40 - unless you have language version
problems and can't get them ( unlikely with a zone 1 BBS origin <g>). 
FP32 level leaves a LOT to be desired and several subtle features have
been added by the latest fixpaks.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 00:14:01
  To: Jan Deboer                                        23-Oct-99 00:14:01
Subj: Questions...

Jan Deboer wrote to MIKE RUSKAI on 10-22-1999

JD> That is what I preferred to do. If I used the (probably easier and
JD> less problematic) remote install offered from the IBM site, then, if
JD> at a later date I needed to re-install OS/2 for any reason, I would
JD> have to return to the site for another remote fixpak install, and it
JD> is my understanding that free access to fixpaks will end at
JD> year-end. So, I thought it preferable to have the disk images, and
JD> do my own fixpak install. 

'Free' fixpaks for Warp 3 ended a couple months back in the sense that
the latest ones are no longer free for Warp 3.  Fixpaks will still be
free after 1 Jan and all the current freebies - including fixes for
them - will still be free.  The Software Choice deal is not as big an
issue as some people make out since it's not the only source of IBM
freebies.

As for the RSU download, you have the option to retain the downloaded
zip images, the unzipped fix files, both, or none.  You don't lose the
fix files unless you want to.  And the fixpak is applied from files
loaded to your machine, not streamed from the net.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 00:19:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 00:19:02
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark on 10-21-1999

LP> -=> Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> 
LP>  MR> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably recover
LP>  MR> deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups before doing
anything
LP>  MR> destructive.
LP> 
LP> OH!  No one said anything about that!  No 3rd party undeletes?

At least 2 freebies, and one built in.  For partitions under 2 gig,
File Phoenix works well.  For about any size, DFSEE works just fine
even if the file recovery is a tad bit obscure.

And for the real klutz, there's always CHKDSK /f:3.  That will recover
even re-formatted files (unless you low level format).  Only problem
with that is that it recovers everything it can whether you want it or
not.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  22-Oct-99 20:19:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: Re: Newbie

*** Quoting Linda Proulx to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-21-99 ***
>  RW> BM does not get assigned a drive letter.
>  RW> The next partition (DOS in your case) will still be C:
> 
> True.  But before OS/2 installs it does.

???
BM will not get assigned a drive letter before or after installation.
You will be installing it by booting from the floppies.  OS/2's fdisk will
install it.  It does not get a drive letter at this time, or at the next boot. 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to do??

Rich
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  22-Oct-99 21:27:14
  To: Andy Roberts                                      23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: CAD

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-21-99 ***
> Do a search with AltaVista for "7475A", which will result in a lot of 
> hits for
> a 'driver' site, most of which is for WinXX, but might have something 
> for OS/2.

Andy,

Just took a guick look.  Most were for W-95.  Will try tomorrow.

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-21-99 ***
> Let me know if BlueCAD works without any other drivers please.

Will do.

Thanks again
Rich
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From: Peter Knapper                                     23-Oct-99 17:14:23
  To: Dan Egli                                          23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: Registration

Hi Dan,

 DE> I am wondering if there is a method for disabling the stupid
 DE> registration reminder that pops up periodically.

Arrrg. We have an Elephant killer in our midst..........;-)

Here is a message from the OS/2 REXX Echo that I captured some time ago. It
will do what you want.

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   From: David Noon                           
     To: K. Lindholm                          
Subject: The elephant

In a message dated 12-31-98, K. Lindholm said to All about "The elephant"

Hi K.,

KL>After a year (or more) the pesky elephant is back demanding 
KL>I register.  Remind me please how to kill him.

Have a REXX script that will switch him on or off.

============================= SWTCHART.CMD =================================
/* REXX program to disable/enable the dancing elephant      */

/* Copyright (C) 1998, David W. Noon                        */
/* All rights reserved.                                     */

/* You may use this code freely. You may also distribute it */
/* freely provided no charge is levied beyond that of its   */
/* distribution medium.                                     */

/* Register REXXUTIL */
CALL RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs','REXXUTIL','SysLoadFuncs'
CALL SysLoadFuncs

/* Obtain the command line argument */
ARG Setting

SELECT
   WHEN Setting == 'OFF' THEN
   DO
      /* Set DISABLED switch in OS2.INI */
      CALL SysIni 'USER','PM_Workplace:ART','DISABLED','00'X
      /* Remove ENABLED switch from OS2.INI */
      CALL SysIni 'USER','PM_Workplace:ART','ENABLED','DELETE:'
      SAY 'Re-IPL your system and the elephant is quiet.'
   END

   WHEN Setting == 'ON' THEN
   DO
      /* Build standard path/filename */
      Path_filename = SysBootDrive() || ':\OS2\ART\ARTCHRON.EXE' ||,
            '00'X
      /* Set ENABLED switch in OS2.INI */
      CALL SysIni 'USER','PM_Workplace:ART','ENABLED',Path_filename
      /* Remove DISABLED switch from OS2.INI */
      CALL SysIni 'USER','PM_Workplace:ART','DISABLED','DELETE:'
      SAY 'Re-IPL your system and the elephant dances once more.'
   END

   OTHERWISE
      SAY 'Unrecognized option "' || Setting ||,
            '". Only ON and OFF are valid.'
END

EXIT 0
============================================================================

Use SWTCHART OFF in an OS/2 command session and re-boot your machine. Art
the elephant is gone until you decide to bring him back, if ever.

Regards

Dave
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From: Peter Knapper                                     23-Oct-99 17:17:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 MR> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably recover
 MR> deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups before doing  MR>
anything destructive.

 LP> OH!  No one said anything about that!  No 3rd party undeletes?

Dont panic! 

Yes, there are 3rd party "UNDELETE" utilities for HPFS if you really need
them, however undeleting a file on HPFS is a lot more complicated than on FAT, 
essentially it means the ENTIRE partition must be searched for each file you
wish to recover. 

A BETTER way to handle this type of problem is to turn on the OS/2 DELDIR
option in CONFIG.SYS (you can find it in the online HELP). This enables an
"DELETE DIRECTORY" archiving function for deleted files on whatever partition
you want it to work and allows you to recover files using native OS/2
commmands, no 3rd party apps required. Be warned that while this form of
recovery is very quick, there can be a slight performance impact when files
are "deleted" on some volumes, especially drives that have a lot of activity
on them.

Cheers..........pk.


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From: John Thompson                                     22-Oct-99 20:21:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: Fixpacks (was: Y2K)

In a message to John Thompson, Linda Proulx wrote re: Y2K
 
JT> corrective service facility determines that you do not have
JT> Win-OS/2 it simply skips those parts of the fixpack.
 
LP> The red bonus pack is not a fixpak as far as I know.

No.  The Bonus Pack is a collection of applications IBM included 
as a demonstration of the OS/2 WPS capabilities.  Fixpacks only 
update the base operating system (except of course for the 
special-purpose tcp/ip fixpacks and such) and do not touch the 
Bonus Pack stuff.  When you install a fixpack, it checks to see 
what version of OS/2 you are using and adjusts the installation 
accordingly.  Thus, Warp v3 "original" red spine and blue spine, 
Warp "Connect" red spine and blue spine and Warp Server all use 
the same fixpacks; the corrective service program figures out 
what you have installed and adjusts itself accordingly.


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From: John Thompson                                     22-Oct-99 20:21:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: More Questions

In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: More Questions

LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?

They can run Win32s apps up to those requiring v1.25 of Win32s. 
The last revision of Win32s was v1.30; OS/2 cannot run these 
without major changes.  Warp v3 only support Win32s v1.15 out of 
the box; you will have to download and install the v1.25 support 
if you need it.  Do note that Win32s is not the Win32 API used 
for native Win9x and NT applications.  It is a subset of the full
Win32 API intended to allow Win3.x to run some 32-bit apps.  Most
native Win9x and NT apps will not run under Win32s at all.
 
LP> Have a dblespace drive for temp or one use files.  Can I use this drive
LP> for the Warp swap file?

You can use the uncompressed portion of the drive for your swap 
file, if you wish.  OS/2 does not recognize dblspace compressed
volumes.  The was a version of Stacker for OS/2 but it may be
hard to find these days.  My experience is that the swap file
likes an HPFS partition better than FAT anyway, and the added 
processing required to swap to a compressed volume would not be 
good for performance.

LP>  Can a ram disk be used?

For the swap file?  Why?  The swap file is used to hold stuff 
when you run out of physical memory; using physical memory for 
swap defeats the purpose of a swap file and indeed will likely 
degrade performance.

Or are you talking about ram disks in general?  If so, then yes, 
OS/2 does support RAM disks if you want to use one.  Tupe "help 
vdisk" at a command prompt for information on how to set one up.


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From: John Thompson                                     22-Oct-99 20:21:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: Newbie

In a message to Kenneth Abrams, Linda Proulx wrote re: Newbie

LP> But I'm installing on a system with DOS.  & if I use Partition Magic
LP> before the install, the BM partition will have a drive letter.

The Boot Manager partition is not assigned a letter designation 
by either DOS or OS/2:

Disk 1 2

Partition Information
Name          Status               Access           FS Type          MBytes
      
Startable           : Primary         BOOT MANAGER        1
WIN95         Bootable           C: Primary         FAT               492
OS2           Bootable           D: Logical         HPFS              202


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From: John Thompson                                     22-Oct-99 20:21:00
  To: Jan Deboer                                        23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: Questions...

In a message to MIKE RUSKAI, Jan Deboer wrote re: Questions...

MR> http://ps.software.ibm.com/
MR> 
MR> Follow the links to fix packages.  IBM has an online installation
MR> facility which lets you click on a link, and walk away while all
MR> the files are downloaded.  A couple simple questions later,
MR> you're done.
 
JD> Oh dear. I don't use my OS/2 machine for the internet. No browser
JD> installed, since it only has total 1Gb HD capacity. Any alternative?

You can order fixpacks on CD from OS/2 Supersite 
(http://os2ss.com) and (I think) BMT Micro or Indelible Blue.

But 1GB HD capacity shouldn't restrict you from using the
internet with OS/2.  When I started using OS/2 on the internet I
only had a 250MB drive!


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From: John Thompson                                     22-Oct-99 20:21:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: UniMaint ???

In a message to MURRAY LESSER, MIKE RUSKAI wrote re: UniMaint ???

MR> I never just execute a self-extractor.  The first few bytes of the file
MR> usually let on just what type of archive it is, and you can always use
that
MR> archiver utility to do a manual extraction (of the readme file, of
course).

Same here.  But the latest release of PMMAIL came in a 
self-extract format I couldn't open manually.  Looking through 
the binary it appears to have been made using something called 
"Crusher!" which I've never heard of.


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From: John Thompson                                     22-Oct-99 20:21:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 06:51:23
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message to Holger Quander, Linda Proulx wrote re: Warp 3 install

LP> What is 'emacs' ?

Emacs is the "Swiss-Army-knife, Jack-of-all-trades" editor cum 
newsreader/mail client/&etc.  everything-you-could-possibly-want
program orignally developed by the GNU project for Unix and later
ported to OS/2 and other platforms.

Kind of a steep learning curve if you intend to learn anything 
more than the basic editor features, but many people swear
by it and feel if it can't be done in emacs it isn't worth doing.


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From: Alan Hess                                         22-Oct-99 21:52:04
  To: all                                               23-Oct-99 11:55:27
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

I've got a pair of pinball games that I'm trying to run in mdos under Warp,
and things are not working properly.  I followed the documentation for setting 
up games settings, but these two insist on closing during play (last night,
one of them set off my printer, which kept printing page after page until I
turned it off.  Will such games work under os/2?  If so, what do I need to do?

If you need to see my settings, what's the easiest way to save them to a file? 
 *adh*

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From: Felix Herbeck                                     23-Oct-99 10:37:06
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 11:55:27
Subj: More Questions

Hello Linda!

Replying to a message of Linda Proulx to All:

 LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?
No.

 LP> Have a dblespace drive for temp or one use files.  Can I use this
 LP> drive for the Warp swap file?  Can a ram disk be used?
OS/2 can't use doublespace drives, but can use stacker drives for FAT and
zipstream for HPFS. Using such drives for swap file will strongly decrease
system perfomance. RAM disk can be used under OS/2, but not for swap file.
Using this drive for swap is a logical mistake :).  

Bye, Felix.

e-mail: felix@iacp.vl.ru

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From: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 22:19:27
  To: Andy Roberts                                      23-Oct-99 11:55:27
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> IMO the need for Windows prgms is almost non-existant, since there are
 AR> native OS/2 prgms to perform almost every task.  Pete Norloff runs the

True.  But at the moment I have DOS legacy programs & am use to them. I
have to find the OS/2 ones to replace them, I know but I still want to
use the programs I have.  And if some won't work with OS/2 I have to be
able to use DOS, at least at the moment.  Without an Inet account, it's
hard to get OS/2 stuff.

I know that OS/2 is a true OS.  But need to learn how to use it.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 22:38:15
  To: ALL                                               23-Oct-99 11:55:27
Subj: Re: Registration

-=> Dan Egli wrote to All <=-

 DE> Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm unwilling to
 DE> wait for a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get one) and since I've
 DE> already registered Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is a method
 DE> for disabling the stupid registration reminder that pops up
 DE> periodically.

What is this?????????

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 22:41:20
  To: Holger Quander                                    23-Oct-99 11:55:27
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Holger Quander wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> And if you find a REALLY good program, let me know.

That you haven't used before <G>

 HQ> and private. and i run for my hobby 14 compters, 9 of them under os/2

I know that there is a story there.  I think I want to hear it.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 22:44:08
  To: Andy Roberts                                      23-Oct-99 11:55:27
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> Yes, but I'm not on the net full time, since I have a dynamic IP
 AR> address. Best to check out IRC SysOpNet irc.isonline.com channel #adept
 AR> first and see if I'm there (sometimes between 10PM - 2AM).  Or send me

I have to admit that the above makes absolutely no sense to me.
Sigh.....

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 22:59:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     23-Oct-99 11:55:27
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Thats one of the frustrating things about setting up a decent
 PK> multi-tasking operating system, there is no one set of rules that will
 PK> work best for everyone. If you can provide us with some info on the H/W
 PK> platform you intend to use, and the functioanlity you want it to run,
 PK> then we may be able to suggest options that wouuld give you the most
 PK> "bang for the buck".


Video card (of course), mouse, Pentium, SCSI w/CD-ROM & ZIP with
potential for other SCSI stuff later, SparQ, maybe sound later, want to
put in a lan to connect this unit with my old one (which can't load
OS/2).  Want to be able to load all drivers & still have lots of memory
left (have 32 at the moment) to multitask.

At the moment, I use Reconfig to boot different DOS configurations
because if I had a universal set up I would not be able to run hardly
anything.

Is this enough info?

Linda


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From: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 23:02:16
  To: Bob Wright                                        23-Oct-99 11:55:27
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> I see.  How would the Red bonus pack work with the straight blue?

 BW> that you have the corresponding Bonus Pak CD.  (Again, IIRC, basic blue
 BW> and the manufacturing refresh of red all come on cd's.  It's only the
 BW> original red that came on floppies.)

Which I have.  Does that mean the Bonus can't be used with blue?

Linda

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From: Peter French                                      23-Oct-99 07:41:00
  To: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 07:41:00
Subj: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

On 1999/10/20, Will Honea wrote to Bat Lang on message number 497;
  Hi there Will, Bat,
WH> Bat Lang wrote to All on 10-19-1999
WH>
WH> Bat,I just checked that site - loaded and ran fine here.
  And here,
WH>                                                           I have the
WH> 128 bit 4.61 GA, fp12  JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build
WH> o118-19990910 (JIT enabled: javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-19990910)"
  Same here, (BtW, I don't find any negative performance or reliability issues
with the 128 bit version).
WH>
WH> f:\jstreet\innoval.jar;e:\java11\lib\classes.zip (not that it matters
WH> -I have JStreet mailer running)
  This may indeed matter.  I have;
SET CLASSPATH=D:\JAVA11\LIB\CLASSES.ZIP;.\.;
as my class path and, as you rightly point out, the ;D:\JAVA11\DLL; in both
the LIBPATH and the PATH statement.  I set the class path for JSTREET in the
parameters of that object so it doesn't clutter up the system CLASSPATH.  The
reason why I'm stating all this is that I believe that NS would need to be
pointed to the CLASSES.ZIP correctly for JAVA to function - so it may need to
be FIRST in the path?
WH>
WH> All other fields are blank or un-checked and I have the JIT enabled.
WH>
WH>  9-16-99  6:28p       216,867      0 a---  JS3246.DLL
WH>
WH> This is the Java update I got from the Hursley site but I doubt that
WH> is the problem.
  Will, I'm not aware of this update - just the DLL?  I guess it may be
possible to identify just the changed DLL but that may confuse some.  The GA
update from Hursley consists of the following files that need to be run from
the root of the drive containing JAVA11.
\runtime.exe -a-- 7260080 99/09/17 13:06
\toolkit.exe -a-- 4217056 99/09/17 13:07 - probably superfluous info but just
for completeness.  These fixes are necessary in my view - and have improved
the VOLANO and CAFINEMARK performance of my system - a 200MHz PPro
outperforming 1.1.7a on a 355MHz.
  Last point, heading Performance (1.3) of the README found in the
D:\netscape\program\read.me directory, talks about the "heap" size and how it
is set by the developer kit.  It may be possible that this needs to be set in
the parameters of NS as the JAVA installation is either "bad" or "missing" or
installed under different memory conditions.  I've played with this min-max
state and have stopped JAVA working on NS.  Normally, the default will work
for 99% of the installations, but may just be useful in getting Bat's system
to operate?


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From: Lawrence R. Mintz                                 23-Oct-99 07:49:00
  To: George White                                      23-Oct-99 15:10:29
Subj: W 4 difs.

 GW> Hi Linda,

 GW> On 18-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP>> What is the diff between the various flavours or Warp 4?

 GW> There is only one retail version of Warp 4.

And I thought that there were two, the upgrade version and the new
installation version.  Although, the CD's may be the same, pricing is
different between these two.

Larry

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From: Andy Roberts                                      22-Oct-99 11:33:22
  To: Holger Granholm                                   23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: Warp 3 install

 Holger Granholm,

20-Oct-99 18:40:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Andy Roberts
 HG> In a message dated 10-18-99, Andy Roberts said to Linda Proulx:
          Subject: Warp 3 install

 AR>> I think if I leave off all my AdeptXBBS files, then I can get all the
 AR>> above and a FixPak for Warp3 and most of the rest of my 1,500 OS/2 files
 AR>> on 1 CD. Then I can send you that CD for $10US (including shipping to
 AR>> Canada).  If you are interested, then send me your snail mail address
 AR>> via NetMail.

 HG> Make it two ;-). I'd be very interested in one also

Is that for Warp3 or Warp4?  I have FP12 and FP39 already.  But if it is for
Warp3 then I will get FP40 and FP42.  I probably should get them anyway, since
I haven't upgraded my Warp3 machine in about 4+ years.

 HG> as well as the StarOffice CD from sun.com containing all the operating
 HG> system versions.

I don't have that CD.  I D/L'd the OS/2 version from the net.  I figured for
the cheap price SUN was offering it for, no one would want that CD with all
versions from me.  It's not a big deal to get them all, except the time 3-1/2
hours per version.  If I do, then I'd rather know exactly which platforms you
really need, since I doubt you need Solaris for example.  Same goes for
additional languages.  Sheesh, it might be easier for me to order the SUN CD
and then send that to you along with the other CD of my stuff.  Have you asked
SUN how much they would charge you for shipping?

 HG> Looking at a cover that contained a CD from USA shows postage USD
 HG> 1.85 for Air Mail. It may have risen since but what the heck. <BG>
 HG> I'll pay for handling also.

Everything overseas goes out Air Mail AFAIK.  I can send you the CDs and you
can pay me later.  I've only had 1 person who didn't pay.  So I might as well
keep trusting everyone else.

 HG> Of course there are files I already have but OTOH also files I
 HG> don't have. I don't ask you to make a separate sort for me.

 HG> Until Walnut Creek ceased to make the CD's BBS ready I subscribed
 HG> to Hobbes OS/2. Then I terminated the subscription but left a
 HG> message that I would be willing to continue if they again would
 HG> release BBS ready CD's. The reply was that they didn't intend to.

I have 1/2 a dozen old Hobbes CDs, but I quit subscribing when I got Internet
access many years ago.

Anyway 99% of my stuff is BBS ready, so it won't take much to make that 100%.

Send me an E-Mail with the details and your snail mail address.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      22-Oct-99 12:17:11
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

 Rodrigo Cesar Banhara,

21-Oct-99 15:50:49, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Jack Stein
          Subject: Text-mode OS/2

 JS>> You can run all the non-pm applications you want, you just can't
 JS>> see them all on the screen at the same time, and to switch to the
 JS>> forground/background you need a switcher, like PGMSHELL that
 JS>> comes with TSHELL.

 RCB> Not all. Start OS2 in text mode & run FileCommander. It won't.

Humm.. I run FC/2 after loading with BootOS2, which is text mode.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      22-Oct-99 21:56:00
  To: Mike Roark                                        23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: Warp 3 install

 Mike Roark,

20-Oct-99 18:52:55, Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx
 MR> Monday October 18 1999 13:41, Linda Proulx wrote to Bob Wright:
          Subject: Warp 3 install

 MR> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably
 MR> recover deleted files.

What are you talking about?  That doesn't seem at all correct to me.

If you have don't REM this line in Config.sys and Autoexce.bat
---
SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512;D:\DELETE,512;E:\DELETE,512;F:\DELETE,512;
---
then there is no difference between FAT and HPFS for recovering the last 512K
of deleted files, using what comes with Warp.

OTOH many users like me do have that REM (because normal operation is faster)
and still have no problem recovering deleted files from all HPFS, using a 3rd
party util such as Graham Utilities hpfs-ud.exe.

While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I can not
think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.

Now if you had been (but weren't) talking about JFS of Aurora, then that would
have been different.  I'm still waiting to see what Chris Graham or JdeBP come
up with as far as utilities for Aurora.  But then again, Aurora or WSeB is
Server (only so far) so it's not a problem a newbie should be concerned about.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             21-Oct-99 21:10:05
  To: Rob Basler                                        23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: Help! installing OS/2 WSEB

Hi there Rob!

Replying to a message of Rob Basler to All:

 RB> I obtained WSeB through the Devcon program and I want to install it,
 RB> but the CD-ROM drive doesn't want to read the CD-R I made,

For some strange reason WSeB requires the CD-ROM to be placed as slave on a
non-empty controller.

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <torsten.balle.koefoed@writeme.com>

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       22-Oct-99 10:43:00
  To: WILL HONEA                                        23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: HPFS info quest

Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai
on 10-21-99  19:36 about HPFS info quest...

 WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to MURRAY LESSER on 10-21-1999
 
 MR> I downloaded the program (dfsee307.zip), but haven't yet spent the
 MR> time to figure out how to use it. 

 WH> Mike, you should email the DFSEE author.  He's been really helpful
 WH> when I had some questions. jan van Wijk <dfsee@fsys.demon.nl> seems to
 WH> work well for him.

Not a bad idea.  He might know exactly what I'm looking for.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    22-Oct-99 20:50:20
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: More Questions

Hello Linda,

21 Oct 99 16:57, Linda Proulx wrote to Peter Knapper:

 LP>> Can a ram disk be used?

 PK>> Yes, I use one on the BBS. The driver is called VDISK and is
 PK>> located in the \OS2\BOOT directory.

 LP> Can this be used for the swap file?  Would it ber worth it?

Mind explaining the logic of placing a swapfile (hard drive space that is
treated like RAM) on a RAM disk (RAM that is treated like hard drive space)?
Think about the fact that a swapfile is used when the system runs out of RAM.

Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Andy Roberts                                      23-Oct-99 08:42:06
  To: George White                                      23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: W 4 difs.

 George White,

20-Oct-99 09:34:03, George White wrote to Linda Proulx
 GW> On 18-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
          Subject: W 4 difs.

 LP>> What is the diff between the various flavours or Warp 4?

 GW> There is only one retail version of Warp 4.

Actually there are several, as you and Linda have seen from other msgs.  And
now that I think about it there is 1 more version, that no one else mentioned
in this thread.  The Academic Version, which comes without the Mic-HeadSet.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      23-Oct-99 08:52:03
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: GEN GRADD!

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard,

20-Oct-99 11:39:24, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to JOHN HENTSCH
          Subject: GEN GRADD!

 JH>> What exactly is a GADD driver anyway?

 JdBP> GRADD, not GADD.  "GRaphics Adapter Device Driver".

Perhaps it should have been GADD as in "E-Gad! another bloody device driver",
or a wide variety of other expressions, some of which are not fit to post. <g>

-<snipped your as usual thorough and informative description.>-

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     23-Oct-99 09:41:28
  To: Jan Deboer                                        23-Oct-99 15:11:00
Subj: Questions...

Jan Deboer wrote on 22 Oct 1999 at 08:50 to Jaap van.Veen:

 JD> On 19 Oct 99  21:31:10 Jaap van.Veen wrote to Jan Deboer...

 JD> I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K
 JD> troubles?
 Jv> Yes you must have FixPak 37 at minimum. 40 is out and 41 is
 Jv> coming soon.

 JD> Are you sure? I got the impression form the IBM website that fixpak
 JD> 32 is all that is necessary for Y2K compatibility!

Yes, in un- updated web pages, they are very lazy in updating, they (IBM)
still state that FP32 is the way to go for Y2K. However when you read the fix
lists of up to FP37 you will find that several corrections have been made
since FP32 on this subject.

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From: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 15:51:00
  To: Peter French                                      23-Oct-99 15:51:00
Subj: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

Peter French wrote to Will Honea on 10-23-1999

PF> WH>  9-16-99  6:28p       216,867      0 a---  JS3246.DLL
PF> WH>
PF> WH> This is the Java update I got from the Hursley site but I doubt that
PF> WH> is the problem.
PF>   Will, I'm not aware of this update - just the DLL?  I guess it may be
PF> possible to identify just the changed DLL but that may confuse
PF> some.  The GA update from Hursley consists of the following files
PF> that need to be run from the root of the drive containing JAVA11.
PF> \runtime.exe -a-- 7260080 99/09/17 13:06 \toolkit.exe -a-- 4217056
PF> 99/09/17 13:07 - probably superfluous info but just 

The DLL is a Netscape dll, not a Java supplied one.  And yes, the
update gives me about 8-10% performance boosts.

One other thing that gets missed:  if you install Ntescape with no
Java installed (and some other situations dark and murky) the
installations miss updating a directory: \netscape\program\java\118. 
That's covered in the readme's somewhere, but you can manually copy it
over.  Sounds like he's up and running, tho.

Given all the noise about Software Choice and such, access to all the
developers sites makes that $100 Devcon subscription a real bargain.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 15:58:01
  To: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             23-Oct-99 15:58:01
Subj: Help! installing OS/2 WS

Torsten Balle Koefoed wrote to Rob Basler on 10-21-1999

TK>  RB> I obtained WSeB through the Devcon program and I want to install it,
TK>  RB> but the CD-ROM drive doesn't want to read the CD-R I made,
TK> 
TK> For some strange reason WSeB requires the CD-ROM to be 
TK> placed as slave on a non-empty controller.

Must be system specific - last one I did used the CDROM as Master on
channel 2 by itself.  One bit of experience, tho:  many older CDROMs,
of the 2x and 4x vintage, have real problems reading CD-R's.  A lot
seems to depend on the software used to burn them and the way they
format the CD.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 16:24:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 16:24:02
Subj: Re: Y2K

Linda Proulx wrote to Bob Wright on 10-22-1999

LP> 
LP>  BW> that you have the corresponding Bonus Pak CD.  (Again, IIRC, basic
blue
LP>  BW> and the manufacturing refresh of red all come on cd's.  It's only the
LP>  BW> original red that came on floppies.)
LP> 
LP> Which I have.  Does that mean the Bonus can't be used with blue?

Sitting on the shelf beside me is a shrink-wrapped copy of OS/2 Warp
version 3, Blue box.  If you can get me an address and put up with my
laziness in getting to the Post Office, it's yours - you can re-imburse
the shipping.  Too much hassle to sell this stuff but the wife is still
on my case about my junk pile...

The Bonus pak are identical for both versions and there is an update
for IBM Works - I think I saw it on Hobbes.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Bat Lang                                          23-Oct-99 01:59:22
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         23-Oct-99 20:12:22
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Bat Lang, [20 Oct 99  11:02:22] <=-

 JdBP>> Are you saying that you want the 32-bit CMD ?  (-:

 BL> Affirmative!

 JdBP> If all that you want are the new 32-bit DATE and TIME commands, by the
 JdBP> way, then I should point out that they (and several other commands)
 JdBP> are pretty much complete already.  They can be used without having to
 JdBP> use the 32-bit CMD itself.  (Although I'm not going to bundle them
 JdBP> separately, so if one wants them one will have to obtain a pre-release
 JdBP> version of the entire package.)

Sigh...I guess I'll just consign myself to wait until the GA release is
ready. Thanks for the comeback, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Mike Roark                                        22-Oct-99 11:55:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 20:30:10
Subj: Newbie

Hello Linda!

Thursday October 21 1999 00:55, Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> A good way to look at it is that the Boot Manager partition is
 MR>> Active, and the DOS and Os/2 partitions are bootable. The active
 MR>> partition is

 LP> I understand this, but I'll be playing with partitions before I even
 LP> load OS/2.

That's not a problem. You can add bootable systems to Boot Manager as you
install them.

 MR>> of bootable operating systems. Right now, I've got 3. Win98, OS/2
 MR>> and linux. I scroll down to the one I want to start, and Boot
 MR>> Manager sends

 LP> And very large hard drives. %)

Well, not that large anymore.. One 8.4gig, and one 6.4gig. At one time, I had
5 bootable partitions. Warp 3, Warp 4, DOS, linux, and a Maintenance
partition. But I needed space for File Storage, and some of them had to go..
;-)


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 0h 29m 55s 968ms (en).

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       23-Oct-99 07:57:00
  To: JAN DEBOER                                        23-Oct-99 20:30:10
Subj: Questions...

Some senseless babbling from Jan Deboer to Mike Ruskai
on 10-22-99  08:20 about Questions......

[snip]

 MR> The alternative is to download the fixpack in the form of
 MR> diskette images, create the diskettes, boot from the first one on
 MR> the OS/2 machine, and sit there swapping disks for a while.

 JD> That is what I preferred to do. If I used the (probably easier and
 JD> less problematic) remote install offered from the IBM site, then, if at
 JD> a later date I needed to re-install OS/2 for any reason, I would have
 JD> to return to the site for another remote fixpak install, and it is my
 JD> understanding that free access to fixpaks will end at year-end.
 JD> So, I thought it preferable to have the disk images, and do my own
 JD> fixpak install.

Software Choice is going to be pay-only.  But that's not where the fixpacks
come from.  I haven't seen anything indicating that fixpacks will be moved
there.

Nevertheless, you can always save what's downloaded, and even archive it
for later extraction, to install the fixpack again.

 JD> However, I have been thwarted, because, despite several attempts, disk
 JD> image xr_w032.4dk will not download from the site.
 
 MR> There is a way around that, but it'd require doing what you
 MR> probably don't know how to do, yet.

 JD> Try me   :)

Save the .RSU file from the page to install a fixpack, then grab the
csf*.zip file pointed to from the contents (it will have the server near
the top, then the path in a C-like block at the bottom).

Inside that archive will be a list of files needed for the fixpack.
Download those files, and you can then install the fixpack without swapping
floppies.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       23-Oct-99 08:06:00
  To: JOHN THOMPSON                                     23-Oct-99 20:30:10
Subj: UniMaint ???

Some senseless babbling from John Thompson to Mike Ruskai
on 10-22-99  20:21 about UniMaint ???...

 JT> In a message to MURRAY LESSER, MIKE RUSKAI wrote re: UniMaint ???
 
 MR> I never just execute a self-extractor.  The first few bytes of the file
 MR> usually let on just what type of archive it is, and you can always use
that
 MR> archiver utility to do a manual extraction (of the readme file, of
course).

 JT> Same here.  But the latest release of PMMAIL came in a 
 JT> self-extract format I couldn't open manually.  Looking through 
 JT> the binary it appears to have been made using something called 
 JT> "Crusher!" which I've never heard of.

Yeah, it's a mimic of the self-extracting installation programs you find on
Windows.

I much prefer the approach that Adobe Acrobat uses (though I still don't
know how it was done).  The archive is in standard ZIP format, but
executing it runs the Acrobat installation program.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       23-Oct-99 08:08:00
  To: LEE ARONER                                        23-Oct-99 20:30:10
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

Some senseless babbling from Lee Aroner to Mike Ruskai
on 10-21-99  21:17 about Version 2.x SysLevel ??...

[snip]
 MR> http://home.att.net/~thanny/syslevel.os2
 
 MR> That file was uploaded right off of disk 1 of my OS/2 2.1 installation
 > floppies.

 LA> Thanks for the try, but nothing much comes up at that 
 LA> URL...appears your ISP is treating it as a text file and only 
 LA> transmitting the 7 bit portions.

Your web browser is complicit in the stupidity.  If you explicitly save it
to disk, you'll find it's intact.

 LA> How bout a file attach to:  leea@psynet.net ?

I'll do that, and I'll also ZIP it at the web site, in case you lose the
e-mail.

Mike Ruskai
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From: Peter Knapper                                     24-Oct-99 08:47:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: Re: Registration

Hi Linda,

 DE> Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm unwilling to
 DE> wait for a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get one) and since I've
 DE> already registered Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is a method
 DE> for disabling the stupid registration reminder that pops up
 DE> periodically.

 LP> What is this?????????

Warp 4 has a "registration reminder" that appears every so often (10 - 30
days) until you take action to apply a "registration key" to your system, when 
it stops appearing. There is no other effect from this reminder other than to
provide you with a chuckle and close it down. When Warp 4 was released, one of 
the TV Ads that IBM ran was an Mother Elephant and child, and this "reminder
to register" is a dancing Elephant that pops up...

You should have seen a posting of a REXX script that will turn ON/OFF the
dancing Elephant.

Cheers........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     24-Oct-99 08:55:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 LP> Video card (of course), mouse, Pentium, SCSI w/CD-ROM & ZIP with
 LP> potential for other SCSI stuff later, SparQ, maybe sound later, want to
 LP> put in a lan to connect this unit with my old one (which can't load
 LP> OS/2).  Want to be able to load all drivers & still have lots of memory
 LP> left (have 32 at the moment) to multitask.

 LP> At the moment, I use Reconfig to boot different DOS configurations
 LP> because if I had a universal set up I would not be able to run hardly
 LP> anything.

 LP> Is this enough info?

Its actually very little.......;-( Ok, here are some specific questions -

  1. What Make & Model of Video card (and how much memory does it have)?

  2. What Display MODE (1024x768x65536 colours) do you want to run it in? 

  3. What Make & Model of Mouse (Serial,PS/2, etc)?

  4. What Type of Pentium CPU (Basic Pentium 100Mhz, PII 450, etc).

  5. What Make & Model of SCSI Controller?

  6. What Make & Model of CDROM?

  7. You WILL need to obtain one of the Fixpacks to be able to use the ZIP!

  8. Whats a SparQ???

  9. What make & model of LAN card (I use 3Com 3C9905B's here)?

 10. 32Mb memory is fine for most things, but as usual more is better...;-)
With 32Mb ALL your drivers should be able to load, plus OS/2, and still have
memory to spare. Once you start running Applications that maychange though...

As an example, the BBS here runs Warp 3 + FP39 on an AMD-K6-300 with 32Mb, and 
that loads the Digiboard Intelligent serial card (8 ports) driver, SCSI Card
driver (Adaptec), 2 Drives, 6 Disc CD Changer, starts up Networking, TCP/IP
Server tasks (BinkD), background mail processing tasks, and 4 lines of the BBS 
all running and STILL has about 4MB RAM free. It really depends on what
applications you use, something like Netscape will chew though 8Mb RAM by
itself just to load, without even thinking about connecting to anything...
Fortunately the Swapping under OS/2 is very good so if I ever ran Netscape on
the BBS it would hadly be nopticed...

I hope this helps...........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     24-Oct-99 09:15:15
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: Re: Y2K

Hi Linda,

 LP> Does that mean the Bonus can't be used with blue?

The Bonus pack CD is completely seperate from the OS/2 distribution, As far as 
I know it can be used on ANY version of OS/2 from Warp 3 onwards (I dont think 
OS/2 2.1 or earlier would support some of the Bonus pack stuff)... It has a
pretty install GUI that allows you to select which of the Bonus products to
install, or you can run commandline files to install them one at a time if you 
wish.

Be warned, that the Bonus pack is now quite old, and much of the contents have 
later version available from differnt sources on the Internet. I loaded it
when I first got Warp 3 in 1994(???), but I dont think I have ever loaded it
again since, there is not a lot on the Bonus pack that I found useful (to me). 


Cheers..........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     24-Oct-99 09:31:05
  To: Murray Lesser                                     24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: Emacs

Hi Murray,

 ML>     I believe (but am not sure) that there are emacs "ports" to OS/2.

Yep, there are at least 2 "OS/2 ports" of emacs on Hobbes, but not being an
emacs wierdo I can't say I have passed them more than a glance.

 ML> However, any youngster who grew up on GUIs
 ML> would probably find emacs hard to use.

Probably like you, I started in this computing world before GUI was a
recognisable term, and one look at emacs ensured I would never be interested
enough to take a second........;-)

Cheers.......pk.


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From: Holger Granholm                                   22-Oct-99 21:25:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: HOBBES.TXT

In a message dated 10-18-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger
Granholm:

Hello Jonathan,

JP>It's a log file of the underlying FTP connection.  Connect with the
JP>FTP client utility supplied with OS/2 Warp, and you'll see the text
JP>appear in the status message returned when you log on to the FTP
JP>server.

I have never used the Warp FTP client so I still don't understand how
that file has appeared in the FTPBrowser directory. Neither do I see
anything from hobbes.txt in the status message when I log on to hobbes.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   22-Oct-99 21:25:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 10-20-99, Linda Proulx said to All:

Hello Linda,

LP>What DOS or WIN programs have not worked with either 3 or 4 in your
LP>experience?

None as I recall. Admittedly I have very little experience with Windows.

LP>Is there a paper saver type printing program for Warp?

Don't know what you mean with "paper saver". If you do have a DOS
program for this, you can also run it in OS/2.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   22-Oct-99 21:25:00
  To: Jan Deboer                                        24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: Questions...

In a message dated 10-20-99, Jan Deboer said to Mike Ruskai:

Hello Jan,

JD>Oh dear. I don't use my OS/2 machine for the internet. No browser
JD>installed, since it only has total 1Gb HD capacity. Any alternative?

On my work machine I have a 740 Mb HD. Installed are DOS, Win3.11 and
OS/2. And I still have quite a lot of free space on the HD.

All the bells and whistles for OS/2 are also installed including
Voice Type. Of course I use OS/2 for Internet access.

However, if you don't have an Internet account with some Internet
Service Provider (ISP), maybe you can connect to a BBS and download
the necessary fixpak.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   22-Oct-99 21:25:00
  To: Mike Roark                                        24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: Warp 3 Install

In a message dated 10-20-99, Mike Roark said to Bob Bainbridge:

MR>I should have mentioned that. Thanks.. But correct me if I'm wrong,
MR>but doesn't OS/2 Fdisk ask for either the beginning or end of Free
MR>Space? It's been so long since I've done it that way I forgot..

That is correct Mike!

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Lee Aroner                                        23-Oct-99 12:30:00
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 00:08:28
Subj: Version 2.x DOS TS ??

   <Wayback Machine Department>

   Anyone recall which sub-versions of 2 had the DOS  time slicing 
   broken? Specifically, it was int 2f ax=1680 that was broken, I 
   believe.

   Thanks,

                                       LRA

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From: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 22:51:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        23-Oct-99 22:51:00
Subj: Version 2.x DOS TS ??

Lee Aroner wrote to All on 10-23-1999

LA> 
LA>    Anyone recall which sub-versions of 2 had the DOS  time slicing 
LA>    broken? Specifically, it was int 2f ax=1680 that was broken, I 
LA>    believe.

I don't ever recall that problem with Warp 2.1 or 2.11, but some
fixpaks broke it that way for Warp 4.  Could have hit Warp 3 as well,
since that was about the time they started to converge a lot of things.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  23-Oct-99 10:56:27
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 01:27:00
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

*** Quoting Linda Proulx to Scott Jones dated 10-21-99 ***
>  SJ> 3.11, which made no improvements, but *did* break Win support in 
> the
>  SJ> red spine versions of OS/2.
> 
> So I can't run 311 with the red flavour?

Linda,

I dont have Windy support installed any more, but IIRR, 3.11 only added
network support.  You could use OS/2 for the network support (if you have
Connect or Warp 4).

Another point, network support from 3.11 would only be available in that
session, not in OS/2 or any other DOS sessions if it works the same as what I
was trying to do with Lantastic & Novell.

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Andrew Belov                                      23-Oct-99 17:52:26
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 01:27:00
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

Hi Linda!

(Wed Oct 20 1999) Linda Proulx wrote to All...

 LP> Running Warp 3 Red

 LP> Regular 3rd party uninstall programs will uninstall Win programs?

 LP> Running Warp 3 Blue

 LP> Do I need the 3rd party uninstall or will it uninstall thru Warp?

Uninstalling Windows programs is a Windows uninstallers' job. Therefore, it is 
irrelevant which flavor of Warp is used to do it.

Actually, the best tool to uninstall a Windows 3.x application is to remove it 
manually since configuration is held in text files, so this job could be
easily accomplished.

 LP> What DOS or WIN programs have not worked with either 3 or 4 in your
 LP> experience?

Some programs weren't working with OS/2 since versions 1.x (e.g., Lotus game). 
Others seem to work fine, with rare exception for DPMI apps in OS/2 v 4.5.

                                                        Bye.

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  23-Oct-99 22:14:20
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:10:28
Subj: Re: Newbie

*** Quoting Linda Proulx to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-23-99 ***
>  RW> You will be installing it by booting from the floppies.  OS/2's 
> fdisk
> 
> But before Os2 installs, & I use my programs, the small logical drive
> will have a letter.  I could Partition Magic & then not install OS/2 
> for
> days.  How will I tell OS/2 that the small partition is to be used at
> the BM drive?

When you choose to install BM, it gets installed then, not later.  You dont
create the partition, FDISK does what it needs to do.  The BM partition is 1
cylinder of the drive so it can be 1 meg to 24 meg (roughly) in size
depending on the size of the drive and wether you use drive translation on
not.  Your C: drive is a primary partition that is set active.  BM is also a
primary partition, but set as startable (if I understand it right).  Only 1
-primary partition- can be active at any time and it will be assigned C:

Extended partitions with logical drives in it will get assigned drive letters
next, but the BM partition still will not get one.

I had 4 primary partitions on one of my systems.  BM, W-95, W-NT, OS/2 all
getting the C: drive letter when booted.  No op-system could see either of
the other op-systems, they dont even get drive letters assigned.
All of this was on 1 hard drive.

When you install BM, add the partition you want to boot to it (BM) and give it 
a name for the boot menu.  When you re-boot, BM will display the choise and
you can boot that system.  No drive letters should change.

Rich
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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                23-Oct-99 21:21:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:10:28
Subj: Re: Newbie

On Stardate 17 Oct 99  13:21:51, Linda Proulx Communicated the Following
To Jeffrey J. Counsil, Regarding Re: Newbie...

-=> Jeffrey J. Counsil wrote to Rob Basler <=-
LP> 
LP>  RB> Never heard of such a program.
LP> 
LP>  JJC> PQBoot?
LP> 
LP> Where did you get it?

Comes with PQMagic ;-)

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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                23-Oct-99 21:23:15
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  24-Oct-99 06:10:28
Subj: Re: Newbie

On Stardate 19 Oct 99  15:14:58, Cyrill Vakhneyev Communicated the Following
To Jeffrey J Counsil, Regarding Newbie...

CV>     Piece of shit... Too buggy...
CV> 
CV> Bye!
   ^^^^^

That says it all...

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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                23-Oct-99 21:30:06
  To: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 06:10:28
Subj: Re: Newbie

On Stardate 20 Oct 99  18:40:00, Holger Granholm Communicated the Following
To Cyrill Vakhneyev, Regarding Newbie...

HG> In a message dated 10-19-99, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Jeffrey J Counsil:
HG> 
HG>  JC> PQBoot?
CV>    Piece of shit... Too buggy...
HG> 
HG> OK Cyrill, if you haven't learned to use the program you may call it
HG> that. I have not found any bugs in v3.02 - 3.04. It works as advertised.

Same here Holger..  I use it quite a bit and it's never failed me ;-)

HG> Have a nice day,

Right back at ya!

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From: Peter Knapper                                     24-Oct-99 11:37:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:10:28
Subj: Re: Newbie

Hi Linda,

 LP> But before Os2 installs, & I use my programs, the small logical drive
 LP> will have a letter. 

Now that you are moving out of the DOS/Windows world, it is probably time to
build a better understanding of EXACTLY what a DRIVE letter is, and EXACTLY
what a PARTITION really is. There is a relationship between them, but perhaps
not in the way you currently think.

A DRIVE LETTER is simply a LABEL that the OS currently running assigns to a
PARTITION, so that the USER can "point" to the partition. Try thinking about a 
non-DOS style OS such as Linux. ALL unix style OS's work fine without ANY
understanding of drive letters at all. The partition that unix boots from is
known as the ROOT partition (similar to a ROOT directory), and ALL other
partitions that unix needs to access are MOUNTED directly off the ROOT
partition and to the user look just like a directory on that ROOT partition,
but the user specifies what the partitions are, and where they are found via
the MOUNT command. No drive letters are used at all.


Back to your statement above, I can see 2 different possibe things you are
talking about -
  1. If you are talking about the Boot Manager PARTITION, then no, it NEVER 
has a letter assigned, because the assignment of a driver letter is a function 
of the OS being loaded, and Boot Manager (a VERY simplistic OS) does NOT
understand driver letters, nor does it NEED to understand them, it only needs
to understand about PARTITIONS.
  2. If you are talking about the partition that you are going to install OS/2 

onto, then only an OS that is able to recognise the formating on that
partition (FAT or HPFS), will actually ASSIGN a drive letter to it. All other
OS's will treat it as if it did not exist!

All this is controlled by a tag in the partition table that indicates what
TYPE of partition it is. The use and assignment of drive LETTERS is a decision 
made by the OS being loaded. When DOS boots, it ASSUMES that it is booting
from C:, because C: is all it knows about when it starts. Any other partitions 
that it recognises are THEN assigned letters in the sequence that it finds
them.

When OS/2 boots, it does NOT assume it is on C:. It looks at the partition
configurations on the drives it can see, and assigns the drive letters at that 
point using the SAME order as DOS does.  This means that if ALL partitions
were FAT, and they could ALL be seen by OS/2 and DOS then OS/2 and OS will see 
the partitions in exactly the same sequence and assign the same drive letters
accordingly.

If its still confusing, think about this. If you have 4 partitions that DOS
recognises (C, D, E, F), and you delete partiion D. What happens to E & F? The 
E & F partitions are untouched, BUT the letters assigned to them at boot up
are now different. This is why you MUST get used to working with drive letters 
as DYNAMIC entities that can and do change according to items outside the
control of the OS that assigns them!


 LP> I could Partition Magic & then not install OS/2 for
 LP> days.  How will I tell OS/2 that the small partition is to be used at
 LP> the BM drive?

When you empty a cylinder of space on the disk, LEAVE IT AS EMPTY SPACE! Do
NOT put a partiion there using Partition Manager! Your machine will still run
fine but will have 1 Cylinder of unassigned space that will be ignored by all
your existing S/W. When you boot OS/2 for the first time, select the ADVANCED
install, and this will take you directly to the OS/2 FDISK program. You can
NOW select the option to install Boot Manager, and you can point it at the
place you want it installed.


 RW> It does not get a drive letter at this time, or at

 LP> Will the Fdisk just Fdisk the small partition?

FDISK changes ONLY the partition table, not the actual partitions themselves.
When you tell FDISK to SAVE the changes, then the entire partition table is
re-written, but the partitions themselves are left alone. ALL FDISKS must
re-write the entire partition table, that is their main purpose in life. 

If you think about it, FDISK is a poor name for the utility, it probably
should have been called PDISK, for PARTITION DISK. It certainly does not
FORMAT a partition either.

I hope this helps..........pk.


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From: Murray Lesser                                     23-Oct-99 10:43:00
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      23-Oct-99 10:43:00
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-16-99, Ron Nicholls to Murray Lesser)

ML> Since I am using the IBM OS/2 Internet Access Dialer (DIALER.EXE),
ML> my User ID object was updated automatically on the morning of
ML> October 1.  Although I don't use 

RN>Mine seems to have updated as well.

ML>   What dialer are you using?

RN>The same - "Dialer exe"

RN>Checking with the dialer log script from Oct 5  it still shows
  >"news1.ibm".
  >Next time I connect I save the script and check again

    What does it say on the "Servers" page of your UserID object?

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     23-Oct-99 11:33:01
  To: Will Honea                                        23-Oct-99 11:33:01
Subj: Phoenix

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-23-99, Will Honea to Linda Proulx)
  (original topic: Warp 3 Install):

Hi Will--

LP> OH!  No one said anything about that!  No 3rd party undeletes?

WH>At least 2 freebies, and one built in.  For partitions under 2 gig,
  >File Phoenix works well.  For about any size, DFSEE works just fine
  >even if the file recovery is a tad bit obscure.

    As a matter of curiosity:  The copy of PHOENIX2.EXE that I have is v
1.33, which carries a file date of 10-31-1995.  Is a later version
available?

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     23-Oct-99 19:53:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 19:53:02
Subj: More Answers

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-21-99, Linda Proulx to Roy J.
Tellason.  Original topic: More Questions):

Hi Linda--

 RJT> Just clarifying things a bit here,  you're not talking about using a
 RJT> ram disk for your swap file,  are you?  That's not generally a real
 RJT> terrific idea,  if so...

LP>I was, but not a good idea, right?

    Even if it would work (Peter Knapper told you why he thinks it
wouldn't), it would be a very bad idea.  The swap file in OS/2 carries
the "overflow" from real (RAM) memory when you have over-committed it by
the workload you are carrying at the moment.  Under OS/2, the swap file
can grow to accommodate unusual loads.  (Look at how big your swap file
is after you have been Web surfing for a while with NetScape!)

    Under normal circumstances, OS/2 uses all of available real memory
before pushing anything into the swap file (SWAPPER.DAT).  A "ram disk"
uses real (non-swappable) memory, thereby reducing the amount of memory
available for useful applications, thereby requiring earlier (and more)
use of the swap file than you would otherwise need.  Even assuming that
you had enough real memory to be able to afford a ram drive big enough
to be a useful swap file under the worst possible case, the net effect
would be to reduce your system performance as compared to what it would
have been if you didn't have any ram disk and had left that memory to be
used for applications: you would be moving stuff around in real memory,
(and keeping records as to where it had been put) that otherwise
wouldn't have had to have been moved!

    Also, once the swap file has taken up all the available disk space
on that partition, your system will come to a screeching halt.  If you
have the "SWAPPATH=" string (in CONFIG.SYS) set properly, you will get a
warning to reduce the amount of memory you have committed before it is
too late (run "help swappath" from an OS/2 command line for a bare
minimum of useful information).  The system I am writing this on (a
ThinkPad 365XD) has 40MB of RAM.  In normal use, the only time anything
gets put into the swap file is when I am being frustrated by trying to
get some useful information off of the Web.  I use a swap file
initialized to 20 Megs, with the warning level set at 4 Megs.  I have
enough unused space in that partition to never have received the "low
disk space" warning.

    BTW, both the swap file and the spooler (printer) file grow and
shrink to meet current needs (the swap file shrinks very slowly, and
takes up valuable CPU cycles while it is growing or shrinking, so you
want to initialize it to a little larger than is usually needed.)  You
can get into trouble if both files are in the same partition and that
partition doesn't have enough spare space to handle both :-(.

    One more thought:  See if you can find one of the following two
books: "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" (ISBN 0-672-30545-3) or "OS/2 Warp Survival
Guide" (ISBN 0-471-06083-6).  Both deal with Warp 3, and (most likely)
both are out of print.  Either will answer a great many of your
questions, including some that you haven't thought of yet, and either
will be a good reference for later--when things go wrong :-(.  If you
decide on installing Warp 4, instead, get "Getting to Know OS/2 Warp 4"
(ISBN 0-13-842147-1).  This one is "official" (it is an IBM RedBook),
and may still be in print.  However, it discusses only those things that
are new to Warp 4, so is not a stand-alone text.  (My recommendation for
new-to-OS/2 Warp 4 users would be both the "Survival Guide" and the
Redbook.)  These books are not cheap, but (IMO) are well worth the
money.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Gary Crain                                        23-Oct-99 21:23:08
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: PPP

  Hi,

   I set up a new Warp 4 machine to run the BBS on.  After upgrading it to
Fixpack 10 and testing a few things I'm encountering this error message when
attempting to connect to the Internet;

Sorry - ppp is not supported by this stack version

  What do I need to upgrade to make this work.  TIA.


Gary

gcrain@infomail.com

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From: John Thompson                                     23-Oct-99 15:47:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: Newbie

In a message to Rich Wonneberger, Linda Proulx wrote re: Newbie

RW> BM does not get assigned a drive letter.
RW> The next partition (DOS in your case) will still be C:
 
LP> True.  But before OS/2 installs it does.

Only if you put a filesystem on it.  Boot Manager does not need a
file system and therefore won't get a drive letter.  If you don't
try to format the Boot Manager partition (ie, install a
filesystem) before installing Boot Manager you won't have to deal
with any spurious drive letters popping up.  To reiterate: the 
Boot Manager partition doesn't need to be formated and won't get 
a drive letter.


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From: John Thompson                                     23-Oct-99 15:47:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message to Linda Proulx, Peter Knapper wrote re: Warp 3 install

LP> I thought that the Win code in W4W was more stable & that it's not just
LP> the networking part.
 
PK> This whole issue is actually quite complicated, however in general terms,
PK> Windows 3.1 is Windows with NO NETWORKING Support. Windows 3.11 is 3.1
WITH
PK> NETWORKING support (W4WG). 

No; WfWG was a separate product.  The first release of WfWG was 
deemed "v3.1" to the eternal confusion of all.  Compounding this,
shortly after WfWG "v3.1" was released, it was updated to "v3.11"
and then Windows-not-for-workgroups AKA "Windows 3.1" was 
also updated to v3.11!  

You are correct that Windows 3.1 did not include any networking 
capabilities.  Neither did the v3.11 "not-for-workgroups" update. 
Windows for Workgroups v3.1 included Microsoft's implementation 
of NetBIOS/NetBEUI, as did WfWG v3.11.  But the networking 
capabilities of WfWG did *NOT* function under OS/2.  You could 
use your WfWG installation under OS/2 with Warp v3 red spine, but
the networking features would not work.  If, however, you 
installed Warp v3 "Connect" red spine, you could use your WfWG 
apps with other Windows machines on the network because Warp 
Connect's network support allowed this even though WfWG's 
network support remained non-functional.

Is that confusing enough?


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From: John Thompson                                     23-Oct-99 15:47:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message to Linda Proulx, Peter Knapper wrote re: Warp 3 install

LP> And the [DOS HPFS] driver is & I can get it where?

PK> To allow DOS to read HPFS, the driver requires a total of about 250Kb of
PK> memory. To WRITE to an HPFS partition requires a lot more, something like
PK> 420KB, so in most cases, reading and writing to HPFS from DOS is just not
PK> really practical for productive work. 

And the reason this is a problem under DOS but not under OS/2 is 
because DOS makes that crazy real-mode distinction between 
"conventional" and other (ie "high" XMS EMS &etc) memory while 
OS/2 can address all your system's memory in a single address 
space.  To dedicate 250k or more of your 640k of DOS
"conventional" memory to access HPFS partitions under DOS puts a
serious crimp on what else you can run while that HPFS driver is
loaded.  Since OS/2 doesn't have that silly 640k ceiling for
memory, the 250-some kilobytes of overhead required by HPFS
simply isn't as much of an issue when running HPFS under OS/2.



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From: Linda Proulx                                      23-Oct-99 19:19:24
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: Questions Again ,-)

Greetings,

Here we go again.

Will fixpaks fix Win Y2k?

If using the blue flavour, what does one do about Windows add-ons?  With
the red box, they work as if running on DOS?

With w32s, how does that work with blue & red?

Is there a program like Winspeaker for OS/2?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Lee Aroner                                        23-Oct-99 12:37:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

MR> Some senseless babbling from Lee Aroner to All
  > on 10-19-99  20:33 about Version 2.x SysLevel ??...

 LA> Is there anyone out there with a copy of OS/2 2.x that's loaded 
 LA> on a machine? If so, could you tell me how IBM handled the 
 LA> SysLevel thing in that version?

 LA> I've written some code to get the syslevel out of the 
 LA> \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2 file for use in my programs, but I'm 
 LA> not sure how this was handled (or the file location) in versions 
 LA> prior to 3.0.

 LA> Can anyone help me out on this?

MR> Since the Warp 3 upgrade edition wouldn't install without it, I can
  > positively state that the location was indeed \OS2\INSTALL.  Every time I
  > installed it, I needed to copy SYSLEVEL.OS2 from disk 1 from OS/2 2.1 (a 5
  > 1/4" floppy!) to that directory first (until I realized that the one from
  > Warp 3 would work just as well).

MR> The format of the file appears to be basically the same.  I'll let you
  > judge for yourself:

   Gat it and it is indeed the same format...now to find out which 
   version of 2.x had the DOS tine slicing broken...

                                       LRA


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From: Gord Hannah                                       23-Oct-99 19:03:22
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: Warp 3 install

Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to Gord Hannah,

About Re: Warp 3 install, On Thu Oct 21 1999

 GH> Andy is in Virginia, USA.  Happens to be a good friend of mine.

LP> Small OS/2 world <G>.

Very, but I had an advantage I have worked with Andy for over 3 years now on
other projects..:-)

LP> If I get a chance to get to someone's Internet, does your board
LP> allow telneting?

Not at present,  need to do some configuration to get it to work properly.  I
do not have a full time internet connection yet.

LP> after getting all the info. I'm surprised IBM did so many Warp 3
LP> flavours. 

And I have two of three flavours.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Stephen Haffly                                    22-Oct-99 19:52:12
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: W 4 difs.

On (20 Oct 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Stephen Haffly...

Hi Linda,

 SH> Warp 4 only comes in one flavor, which is the equivalent of Warp 3
 SH> Connect, Blue spine.  IBM decided to simplify things when they released
 SH> OS/2 Warp 4.

 LP> I thought that there was a Warp 4 Connect as well.

No, there is only one version of Warp 4 (not counting the academic
version that didn't come with the microphone/headphone for the Voice
Type Dictation).


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

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From: Stephen Haffly                                    22-Oct-99 19:54:26
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: What Need ?

On (20 Oct 99) Linda Proulx wrote to All...

Hi Linda,

 LP> I believe that there are files in OS/2 Warp 3 (or 4) that are needed
 LP> as in the Win dlls or Vbruns that don't come with the original.

 LP> What should I be looking for in this context?

I don't follow you.  OS/2 runs things fine out of the box.  Some
programs require things (such as Post Road Mailer requiring EMX), but if
so, then those packages will come with the neccessary files and install
them.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

... Never use software on impulse, only on Warp.

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From: Stephen Haffly                                    23-Oct-99 22:28:07
  To: Bob Wright                                        24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: Y2K

On (21 Oct 99) Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx...

Hi Bob,

 BW> Not an issue, unless it's a cribbed version of the base OS.  AKAIK all
 BW> versions of Warp come with a Bonus Pak in the box --- both my basic
 BW> red and connect blue did.  So, if you have/obtain a blue version, make
 BW> sure that you have the corresponding Bonus Pak CD.  (Again, IIRC,
 BW> basic blue and the manufacturing refresh of red all come on cd's.
 BW> It's only the original red that came on floppies.)

The original Warp 3 blue also came on floppies as well as CD.  I know
because that is what I have sitting on my shelf.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
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From: Stephen Haffly                                    23-Oct-99 23:00:06
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 06:52:02
Subj: Warp 3 install

On (21 Oct 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark...

Hi Linda,

 MR> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably recover
 MR> deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups before doing anything
 MR> destructive.

 LP> OH!  No one said anything about that!  No 3rd party undeletes?

OK,  Let me clarify this one before you get misled.  By default, OS/2
Warp 3 and 4 have the ability to undelete, but it is disabled because it
slows down deletes just a bit.  In the Config.Sys file, there is a line
that reads thus:

REM SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512;D:\DELETE,512;E:\DELETE,512;

Remove the REM, and it sets up directories where deleted files are kept.
You can then use the undelete command to recover deleted files.

If you don't want the overhead, then there is a program (IBM Employee
written software) called File Phoenix, that is pretty good at recovering
files IF you run it as soon as possible after the deletion before the
freed-up space is reused.

In effect, the first option works much like the recycle folder in
Windows 9x, but command line oriented instead of GUI oriented.  The
second option has the GUI, but is not as reliable because the free space
can be quickly overwritten.

I hope this helps to clarify the situation.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         21-Oct-99 09:18:03
  To: Jan Deboer                                        24-Oct-99 10:30:07
Subj: Questions...

 JD> I mean, how could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let 
 JD> you move or rename files????????????!!!!!!! 

"They" didn't, of course.  

It is easy to rename a file.  Simply go to the relevant folder (by navigating
from the "Drives" object) and edit the filename.  You can do this in two ways: 
either open the Properties notebook for the file and edit the filename on the
Icon page, or hold down the [ALT] key and click on the name to edit it "in
place".

It is easy to move a file.  Simply drag it with the second mouse button and
drop it where you wish to move it to.  If you want to move it from one volume
to another, hold down the [SHIFT] key whilst dragging and dropping, otherwise
the default action is to copy, not to move, the file.

Your problem is that you have not run the OS/2 Tutorial.  You probably closed
it without thinking after you installed OS/2.  Now is the time to realise your 
mistake and go back and work through the tutorial properly.  All of the above
and more is explained in the OS/2 Tutorial in the section entitled "Basics".

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         21-Oct-99 09:18:15
  To: Jan Deboer                                        24-Oct-99 10:30:07
Subj: Questions...

 JD> I mean, how could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let 
 JD> you move or rename files????????????!!!!!!! 

JdeBP> "They" didn't, of course.
JdeBP> 
JdeBP> [...]

And, of course, there are loads of different third-party file managers for
OS/2 as well, from text-mode programs to PM programs, from InspectA for OS/2
to The Larsen Commander for OS/2.  One can even also move and rename files
from the command line using the MOVE and RENAME commands.

  JdeBP 

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From: George White                                      22-Oct-99 08:08:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 10:30:07
Subj: Uninstall Programs

Hi Linda,

On 18-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> Does OS/2 need an uninstall program like Win does?  If yes,  what
 LP> are good ones?

Not really. Applications are usually installed in a self contained
directory tree and the necessary directories added to the various
paths, they don't normally (except for badly written ones) spray files
all over the place and certainly aren't required to put stuff in the
OS directory tree structure as Windows applications are.


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From: George White                                      22-Oct-99 08:36:09
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 10:30:07
Subj: Re: Newbie

Hi Linda,

On 19-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to Kenneth Abrams:


  -=> Kenneth Abrams wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 KA>> NOT necessary to install either), you don't have to have DOS
 KA>> anywhere to install OS/2. Take the advanced path through the
 KA>> install, and you'll have a chance to run fdisk, create partitions
 KA>> as desired, install Boot Manager, etc. prior to actually
 KA>> installing OS/2 itself.

 LP> But I'm installing on a system with DOS.  & if I use Partition
 LP> Magic before the install, the BM partition will have a drive
 LP> letter.

Not it won't. You use Partition Magic to create some free space on the
drive, you don't have to do any more than that before starting the OS/2
install.

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From: George White                                      22-Oct-99 08:54:23
  To: Jaap van.Veen                                     24-Oct-99 10:30:07
Subj: Questions...

Hi Jaap,

On 19-Oct-99, Jaap van.Veen wrote to Jan Deboer:

 JD>> I find myself using the W3.1 file manager all the time, but it is
 JD>> a pain in the butt to get to it. I have never installed any
 JD>> 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K troubles?
 Jv> Yes you must have FixPak 37 at minimum. 40 is out and 41 is coming
 Jv> soon.

Fixpak 40 is the _last_ for Warp 3, it's now officially out of
service. Warp 4 Server, which is based on the Warp 3 kernel, is still
in service and is up to fixpak 42, but it will not install on Warp 3
without some fiddles to fool the installer into thinking it's
installing on Warp 4 Server which is breaking IBMs conditions of supply.

 JD>> Is it worth upgrading to Warp4? What are the
 JD>> advantages/improvements over Warp3? Does anybody still sell
 JD>> Warp4? (No luck in the clearout bins! :(

 Jv> ??

It's still available from specialist OS/2 distributors like Indelible
Blue Inc and Mensys.


George

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From: George White                                      22-Oct-99 09:04:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 10:30:07
Subj: More Questions

Hi Linda,

On 20-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?

Up to Win32 1.25. Later versions can be done (I understand) with some
fiddling and trickery. MS kept changing Win32 until they found a way
of building it that was totally incompatible with OS/2.

 LP> Have a dblespace drive for temp or one use files.  Can I use this
 LP> drive for the Warp swap file?  Can a ram disk be used?

1) No - not unless you remove dblespace.
2) RAM disks can be used for swap files under OS/2, but usually
(always in my experience) OS/2 will make better use of the RAM if a
conventional swap file is used.

George

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From: James Byrnes                                      24-Oct-99 10:00:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 10:00:00
Subj: Hobbes.Txt

On 10-22-1999, Holger Granholm wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
about "HOBBES.TXT:"

Hi Holger,

HG> JP>It's a log file of the underlying FTP connection.  Connect with the
HG> JP>FTP client utility supplied with OS/2 Warp, and you'll see the text
HG> JP>appear in the status message returned when you log on to the FTP
HG> JP>server.
HG> 
HG> I have never used the Warp FTP client so I still don't understand
HG> how that file has appeared in the FTPBrowser directory. Neither do I
HG> see anything from hobbes.txt in the status message when I log on to
HG> hobbes.  

I think what Jonathan is saying is IF you were to use the FTP utility
that came with Warp you would see more of the underlying conversation
between hobbes and your machine setting up the session.  You can do the
same by clicking on the LOG tab at the bottom of the FTPBrowse window.

You didn't happen to turn on "autosave viewed text files" or "save log
file" one time did you?

Regards,  Jim

___
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From: Andy Roberts                                      23-Oct-99 16:22:28
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 15:20:13
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

 Linda Proulx,

22-Oct-99 22:19:55, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
  -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: An Inquiring Mind

 AR>> IMO the need for Windows prgms is almost non-existant, since
 AR>> there are native OS/2 prgms to perform almost every task.  Pete
 AR>> Norloff runs the

 LP> True.  But at the moment I have DOS legacy programs & am use to
 LP> them.

DOS prgms are almost never a problem running under OS/2's DOS.  I was talking
about the Windows prgms which are more often than not APITA.

 LP> I have to find the OS/2 ones to replace them, I know but I still want to
 LP> use the programs I have.  And if some won't work with OS/2 I have to be
 LP> able to use DOS, at least at the moment.

I think you are worring about a non-existant problem before giving it a try.

 LP> Without an Inet account, it's hard to get OS/2 stuff.

That's why I offered to make the CD for you.

 LP> I know that OS/2 is a true OS.  But need to learn how to use it.

Really.  And I suggest you attempt that ASAP.  Less worry that way.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  23-Oct-99 15:03:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 15:20:13
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Peter Knapper <=-

 PK>   2. DOS programs run under OS/2 have no problems accessing HPFS
 PK> partitions, they look just like a FAT partition to the DOS program, so
 PK> you are nt prevented from sing HPFS partitions in a DOS box under OS/2,
 PK> instead you gain by the increased performance of HPFS.

 LP> I thought that DOS would not see an HPFS partition.  Eg, if in a 1g
 LP> partition I use only 500 mb I have lost the rest of the drive to DOS
 LP> and that I can not put DOS or Win programs on it.

If you boot DOS, it can't seen an HPFS partition. But if you are
running OS/2, a DOS *program* can see an HPFS partition. The only
potential problem is that DOS programs under OS/2 can see files with
long filenames on HPFS volumes.
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  23-Oct-99 17:59:01
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 15:20:13
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Bob Wright <=-

 BW> WinNt   Bootable        C:Primary       NTFS
 BW> nnn Mb None            D:Logical       FAT
 BW> None            E:Logical       FAT
 BW> OS/2    Bootable        F:Logical       HPFS
 BW> None            G:Logical       HPFS
 BW> None            H:Logical       NTFS

 RCB> wow!! 8 partitions, how a drive accept only 4 partitions,
 RCB> I presume which you have two harddrives, right?!

 RCB> Or OS/2 dont have this limit?

Neither. Note that a bunch of those are "logical" drives. That means
they are inside an "extended" partition. That's legal even under
MS-DOS. 

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  23-Oct-99 18:21:01
  To: Lawrence R. Mintz                                 24-Oct-99 15:20:13
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Lawrence R. Mintz to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 LRM> The limit on logical drives is simply the
 LRM> letters of the alphabet (for drive designations) left over after all
 LRM> the primary partitions have been assigned.  That is true for DOS, all
 LRM> flavors of Windows and OS/2. 

Actually, under at least some versions of DOS the limits are a bit
broader. We had a LAN that ran under DOS 2.x. And you could not only
have drives A-Z, but also @:, [:, and ]: I'm not sure if it allowed \:,
^: or _:.

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  23-Oct-99 18:41:02
  To: Dirk Stuijfzand                                   24-Oct-99 15:20:13
Subj: Computer History

 -=> Quoting Dirk Stuijfzand to John Angelico <=-

 DS> On 11-10-1999, John Angelico wrote to Sean Dennis:
 
 JA> F'r instance, yours truly was programming assembler, COBOL and FORTRAN on
 JA> an ICL 1900-series mainframe before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye.

 DS> I thought that I was old with my BTL (Business Transaction Language)
 DS> programming experience on the ICL 15xx intelligent terminal in 1979.
 DS> Boy I was happy to have a real 2.5MB hard disk on this otherwise 
 DS> 16k RAM US$ 25k machine..

 DS> Hand written source code on inches of real paper typed in on a screen
 DS> with 8 lines * 32 characters.  The system however took 4 lines and one
 DS> line of sourcecode needed 2 lines so you could actually see 2
 DS> sourcelines at a time. Had to memorize the whole program...

 DS> (Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter data
 DS> into computers)

Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
mainframe.

And as far as card punching goes, how many of you know what a "drum
card" for a keypunch does?

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  23-Oct-99 18:49:02
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 15:20:13
Subj: HPFS info quest

 -=> Quoting MIKE RUSKAI to MURRAY LESSER <=-

 MR> What I did instead was write a program to traverse the freespace
 MR> bitmaps on the drive "manually", and count up the free sectors that
 MR> way.  On every drive in my system, the result was that DosQueryFSInfo()
 MR> returned 4096 sectors too few in free space.  The reported free space
 MR> is firm, however, when attempting to write to the drive.  The write
 MR> fails at that value, not the value computed by tallying the freespace
 MR> bitmaps. 
 MR> So it would seem that there's a bug somewhere in the chain that eats
 MR> 2MB of space when using HPFS.  The number isn't related to drive
 MR> geometry, either. The one drive is addressed with 63 sectors per track,
 MR> and 64 tracks per cylinder (heads).  Another is 63 sectors per track,
 MR> but 16 tracks per cylinder.

Just a thought, but maybe this is a "safety measure" to allow for
programs that "wait too long" after checking free space and then try to
write to disk. On a multi-tasking system, it could get *really* ugly if
several programs each check, see that there's enough space, and then
try to write out their buffers.

The only other way around that sort of thing requires programs to
allocate extra sectors past the current end of file, enough to cover
potential future writes, and then release that space when they exit.
This is next to impossible to do with things like sequential files. 

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  23-Oct-99 20:01:03
  To: Bat Lang                                          24-Oct-99 15:20:13
Subj: WGET153

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Scott Jones <=-

 BL> BTW, I already have in my CFSys file: "SET HOME=D:\NcFTP\".
 BL> Is that similar to the PATH in that it can take multiple entries,
 BL> delimited by ';'?
 
 SJ> No, it only takes one entry.

 BL> That seems short sighted of OS/2. I have seen several pgms that asked
 BL> for that entry for THEIR pgm. Does that mean multiple entries of
 BL> SET HOME=<whatever>. ??  Thanks, as always for your good counsel.

It's short-sighted of the *programmer*. SET merely stores a string in a
place programs can easily acess it. In this case the program would ask
the OS for the value stored under HOME. 

Alas, "HOME" is not something like "Path". It has no meaning to the OS.
The *program* that wants it set is probably using it to store the
location of its "home" directory. The *program* doesn't expect it to be
shared. 

But you can set up BAT or CMD files to run the programs. And use this
sort of setup:

        SET SAVE=%HOME
        SET HOME=xxxxxx
        {stuff to actually start program goes here}
        SET HOME=%SAVE

This saves the old value, changes it to what the program expects, and
after you are done, changes it back to the original value.

Since each window or task has it's own "environment" and inherits
settings from previous ones, this lets them each start out the same,
but change for the specific program, without affecting other tasks.

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  23-Oct-99 20:27:03
  To: Jan Deboer                                        24-Oct-99 15:20:13
Subj: Questions...

 -=> Quoting Jan Deboer to Jaap van.Veen <=-

 JD> Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how
 JD> could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
 JD> or rename files????????????!!!!!!!

Maybe if you'd bothered to read Getting Started With OS/2?

I never had any trouble moving files or renaming them. Just click with
the right mouse button, and drag the file to the destination directory.
Renaming is just as easy.

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From: Will Honea                                        24-Oct-99 13:22:02
  To: Murray Lesser                                     24-Oct-99 13:22:02
Subj: Phoenix

Murray Lesser wrote to Will Honea on 10-23-1999

ML>     As a matter of curiosity:  The copy of PHOENIX2.EXE that I
ML> have is v 1.33, which carries a file date of 10-31-1995.  Is a later
ML> version available? 

1.35 is what I have.  Works up to 2 gig or so but it does handle a lot
more than the earlier ones.  You should find it at hobbes - maybe even
on Norloff's board. 

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     24-Oct-99 10:39:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      24-Oct-99 10:39:01
Subj: File Systems

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-22-99, Andy Roberts to Mike Roark;
  original topic: Warp 3 Install):

Hi Andy--

AR>While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
  >can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.

    If your whole partition will contain only a few long sequential
files, FAT is not only faster but has more capacity.  I back up to
Iomega Zip diskettes using the OS/2 BACKUP and RESTORE utilities.  It
would make no sense whatsoever to format those diskettes HPFS.

    Choice of file system should depend on what one is going to put into
the partition, not on the "Team OS/2" conventional wisdom.  I agree that
for general use with partitions that are much larger than 100 MB, HPFS
has enough advantages over FAT to be the preferred choice.  For
partitions much smaller than 100 MB, FAT is usually the preferred choice
because it will provide both more capacity and better performance.  (See
"Performance Tuning OS/2 Warp" - a white paper for Warp 3 ISVs, written
about the time Warp 3 was released by Ron Cadina (then at IBM Boca
Raton).  It is still available as \WARPPERF\WARPPERF.ASC on disc M1 of
DevCon Release 2 vol 3.)

    I keep one small (51 MB) partition on my HD as a "scratch" partition
for holding ephemera, such as the Netscape Cache and those intermediate
files built by my compilers.  It gets reformatted by STARTUP.CMD, which
is much easier than going through periodic housecleaning cycles, thereby
giving it most of the advantages of a very-large virtual drive! However,
since it is the only small partition on my HD, I keep it formatted HPFS
for consistency's sake; the small performance and space loss isn't
important for these files, and I need no separate FAT cache.

    But I would never attempt to format any of my "removable media"
drives HPFS.  While it would be possible (in some cases), it most
certainly wouldn't serve any useful purpose.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Holger Quander                                    24-Oct-99 01:21:23
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Ave Rodrigo!

Antwort auf eine Message von Rodrigo Cesar Banhara an Jack Stein:

 RCB> Not all. Start OS2 in text mode & run FileCommander. It won't.

i don't think that. on our os/2 systems the maint. partition ist only a
textmode os/2 (cmd.exe as shell). and filecommander is running fine there!

Servus, Holger!

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From: Holger Quander                                    24-Oct-99 01:23:06
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Warp 3 install

Ave Rodrigo!

Antwort auf eine Message von Rodrigo Cesar Banhara an Linda Proulx:

 LP>> What is 'emacs' ?
 RCB> It is text editor ported from Linux. Difficult to use. I dont like.

first look, yes. but if you invest some time and learn it, it is the best tool 
you can get!

Servus, Holger!

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From: Holger Quander                                    24-Oct-99 08:52:13
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Warp 3 install

Ave Linda!

Antwort auf eine Message von Linda Proulx an Holger Quander:

 LP>> And if you find a REALLY good program, let me know.
 LP> That you haven't used before <G>

i will...

 HQ>> and private. and i run for my hobby 14 compters, 9 of them under os/2
 LP> I know that there is a story there.  I think I want to hear it.

sorry, no story. only hobby ;)

Servus, Holger!

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 21:06:04
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to Bob Wright:

 BW>> Another one that I left off my list, is Star Office.  It's a (rather
 BW>> huge) office suite which is now being provided by Sun.  It's free for

 LP> Is there a site to dl it?

Here's a start point...

http://www.sun.com/products/staroffice/get.html

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 21:28:03
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Roy...

 Roy J. Tellason hastily said to Bob Wright:

 BW>> In my case, inertia.  I never got around to getting the PKware
 BW>> one.  "Free" didn't hurt any, either ;)

 RJT> I suppose I oughta get familiar with it one of these days.  Probably
 RJT> they'll work better,  too.

I don't necessarily know about better, since I don't have any real basis for
comparison.  I do recall, though, that the InfoZip set won't handle or create
archives that span floppies..

 BW>>> ZIPCONTROL, although I've tried others along the way.

[... snip ...]


 BW>> You can use a set of default parameters, and don't have to
 BW>> remember the command-line ones.

 RJT> Overall,  it sounds like it's worth a look.  Now to try and get a hold
of
 RJT> it...

It'll be on Hobbes in the archiver directory.  I originally got it from Gary
Hammer's Must-Have Utilities site.

Or, you can go direct to the source at http://www.RPFSoftware.com

The version I have here is 2.6.3 so I'd expect that you'd need to look for a
file with the name zipct263.zip.  (I am sort of guessing at this, since I seem 
to have gotten carried away with the housecleaning and deleted the latest
archive as well as the two prior ones..)

 BW>> - Origin: Merlin's Tower - Surrey, BC (1:153/944)

 RJT> <g>


Pure coincidence, I'm afraid.  I sort of inherited things from my son, who was 
into Arthurian legend when came up with the name.. about 6 years ago, so it
predates Warp 3, let alone Merlin/Warp 4.  It does fit rather nicely, though,
doesn't it?? :)

 RJT> Got email?

rtwrigh@attglobal.net

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        22-Oct-99 18:56:19
  To: JAN DEBOER                                        24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Questions...

Greetings, JAN...

 MIKE RUSKAI said to JAN DEBOER:

 JD>> Bought and installed Warp3 on a 486DX2/66 w 8 Mb and 2X 540Mb HD's.

Better than my first install by 1 540...
Later added a 1.6 so my son could run Linux.

 JD>> Gb, and W95 was installed for better Internet performance.

If W95 gave you better internet performance, I'd say you may have had some
serious setup issues that needed attention.  :-)


 MR> Probably.  FP32 is the official Y2K compatible fixpack level for Warp 3.

But get FP 40, instead.  It has all the fixes ever issued and has been
rock-solid on my machine.

 JD>> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need soem 'install' software
 JD>> for them?

 MR> http://ps.software.ibm.com/

 MR> Follow the links to fix packages.  IBM has an online installation
facility
 MR> which lets you click on a link, and walk away while all the files are
 MR> downloaded.  A couple simple questions later, you're done.

Definitely get this... Regardless of which method you use to install fixpaks,
you will need some software.  "RSU" configures itself, can be used with
Netscape or with IBM's WebExplorer.

Which of the Warp 3's do you have?  If it's the original (on floppies) you'll
need to get a couple of things very early in the game.


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        22-Oct-99 19:36:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to John Thompson:


 JT>> corrective service facility determines that you do not have
 JT>> Win-OS/2 it simply skips those parts of the fixpack.

 LP> The red bonus pack is not a fixpak as far as I know.

Correct.  However, the OS/2 implementation of Win 3.1 found in the "blue"
versions is commonly referred to as Win-OS/2.  Some fixpaks will update
portions of Win-OS/2.  However, the "service" utility that actually does the
work is smart enough to determine if you are using Win-OS/2 and either apply
or ignore those parts of the fixpak.

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        22-Oct-99 21:52:01
  To: Jan Deboer                                        24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Questions...

Greetings, Jan...

 Jan Deboer hastily said to MIKE RUSKAI:


 MR>> Follow the links to fix packages.  IBM has an online installation
 MR>> facility which lets you click on a link, and walk away while all
 MR>> the files are downloaded.  A couple simple questions later,
 MR>> you're done.

 JD> Oh dear. I don't use my OS/2 machine for the internet. No browser
 JD> installed, since it only has total 1Gb HD capacity. Any alternative?

Oh, my... That pretty much leaves you the floppy disk route, I guess... In
which case you'll need to d/l the Corrective Service Facility (CSF in
IBM-speak) as well as loaddskf (creates 2+mb diskettes from the disk images
and runs in DOS as well as OS/2).  Set up the CSF on diskette (the readme will 
tell you how), then create the diskettes from the downloaded files.

Use the CSF diskettes to invoke Service (again in the readme for CSF) and just 
plug in the disks...

The worst one I did with disks was Fixpak 26 ... after that I converted to the 
web-based method, but if this option isn't available to you, then I guess
there isn't much choice.

        -- Bob

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 09:54:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Warp 3 install

 -=> Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RCB> Only these are: 44. neat. B} Questions, please ask me.

 LP> Thanks for the files listing.  Lots of stuff to look for.

Yeah. OS/2 is dont sooo poor about programs. 8)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... FAX TERRIER: an other xerox machine for copying dogs

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 09:54:01
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Table Partitions

 RJT> Try sending an email to fileserv%tanstaaf@frackit.com and putting get
 RJT> presz* in the body of the message.  You'll need a uudecoder to process
 RJT> the result.

Send me a list of files in your BBS available for freq.

Others sysops with files for freqs, please send me it too.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... Everything/2 !!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 09:54:01
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Y2K

 RJT> I have no experience with Warp 4.

Me too.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... But Ma, Johnny has all of his doors registerd!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 09:54:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 17:45:19
Subj: Newbie

 LP> Have nothing to compare it to.  Works OK.

My Zip IDE works at 700-800KB/s.

 LP> Thank you for looking

It was nothing. Is good to check links.

 LP> Volunteered at the Pan Am games here & worked the Village where your
 LP> atheletes were housed.  You had a big team & did very well as I
 LP> recall. I hope they enjoyed being here a much as we enjoyed them.

PanAm? What modality? Soccer?

They has been buied by Nike in the game France vs Brazil.

 LP> LOVED the luggage!

Where it was?

 LP> What was the coverage like in Brazil?

I dont hear nothing about it.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==

... 32bits progies for an OS 32bits.

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From: Murray Lesser                                     24-Oct-99 17:11:00
  To: Will Honea                                        24-Oct-99 17:11:00
Subj: Phoenix

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-24-99, Will Honea to Murray Lesser)

Hi Will--

ML>     As a matter of curiosity:  The copy of PHOENIX2.EXE that I
ML> have is v 1.33, which carries a file date of 10-31-1995.  Is a later
ML> version available? 

WH>1.35 is what I have.  Works up to 2 gig or so but it does handle a
  >lot more than the earlier ones.  You should find it at hobbes - maybe
  >even on Norloff's board. 

    Does it recover the EAs?  v 1.33 doesn't.  GammaTech UnDelete does.
But Phoenix is much handier.  Perhaps EAs aren't all that important :-(.

    My total HD capacity on this system is only 1 gig, so the size
limitation doesn't bother me :-).  I'll check Pete's board one of these
days; I prefer not to go mucking about in Hobbes.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     24-Oct-99 19:49:01
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  24-Oct-99 19:49:01
Subj: Computer History

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-23-99, Leonard Erickson to Dirk
Stuijfzand)

Hi Leonard--

 DS> (Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter data
 DS> into computers)

LE>Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
  >mainframe.

LE>And as far as card punching goes, how many of you know what a "drum
  >card" for a keypunch does?

    You _are_ a latecomer!  When I started (on the predecessor to the
IBM Card Programmed Electronic Calculator), our keypunch didn't have a
"drum card" because it wasn't intended for volume data input.  In those
days, "computers" were people and "calculators" were machines.  I don't
remember when the nomenclature changed.

    The very few so-called "von Neumann type" automatic digital
calculators of those days didn't use punched cards; they used punched
paper tape for input.  The first real mainframes (such as the Univac and
the IBM 701) came several years later.

    If we had an active moderator on this echo, that person would have
been complaining about "off-topic" long before now :-).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
___
 * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Fidonet is almost like having a social life

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From: Jack Stein                                        22-Oct-99 18:27:28
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                24-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 SH> This, and all other responses about multi-tasking are
 SH> completely irrelevant, and 100% non-helpful.

Sorry, I thought you needed help understanding that OS/2 multitasks superbly
without PMShell loaded.  I think your question went exactly like this:

SH> Tell me how to multitask without any PM activity loaded.

That, along with the statement that you might as well run DOS as OS/2 w/o
PMShell tended to indicate you needed some help in this area, as you don't
know what you are talking about.  It is DOS that can't multitask w/o the
Windows shell loaded, not OS/2.  I guess you just got your head up your ass
too far for a moment, as this is a basic tenet of OS/2 VS DOS/WIN/WIN95.

 SH> I use OS/2 as a personnal desktop machine. I use a VIO ICQ
 SH> client, a PM web browser, a PM e-mail client, a VIO MP3
 SH> player, etc.. etc.. etc.. 

In that case it would be silly for you to multitask applications in OS/2 w/o
PMSHELL loaded as no PM application will run w/o PMShell, just as no Windows
application will run without the windows graphical shell loaded on top of DOS, 
or [I presume] any Linux Xwindow apps w/o xwindows loaded.

 SH> Running in text-only mode is NOT ACCEPTABLE. 

Perhaps for you, but that has little to do with your question, or statements
regarding multitasking OS/2 in text mode.

 SH> I want to be able to use my 4 MB EDO S3 Virge/DX video card 
 SH> with OS/2 Warp 4 without my system crashing when I get to a DOS
 SH> prompt. Unless anybody can help me with this problem, rather
 SH> than going off on a tangeant about booting to text mode,
 SH> please do not respond.

Post your hardware questions in the OS2 Hardware echo for more luck on that
topic. Don't go off on a tangent here unless you want the tangent issues
discussed.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        22-Oct-99 18:46:05
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> You can run all the non-pm applications you want, you just can't see
 JS> them all on the screen at the same time, and to switch to the
 JS> forground/background you need a switcher, like PGMSHELL that comes with
 JS> TSHELL.

 RCB> Not all. Start OS2 in text mode & run FileCommander. It
 RCB> won't. 

I run OS2 Commander, not File Commander, but that ran perfect in a TSHELL text 
session.  I don't understand why a non-pm application would not run without
PMShell...  Guess I'll have to take your word for that unless someone else has 
done it with FC.  Are you certain FC is a non-pm application?

                                              Jack 
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    23-Oct-99 10:46:13
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             24-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: faxworks

Hello Rodrigo,

20 Oct 99 08:11, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Tony Pater:

TP>> The version provided free with OS/2 is the 'lite' version and
TP>> doesn't have the ability to import text from another file, etc.

RB> Hmmm... It is bad...

it does have the ability to import text, but not directly. Print or type the
text file to the LPT-port set up and used by the faxworks driver (that's LPT3
on my system), print images to the same LPT-port.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... Windows, or how to turn your 80486 into an 8088....
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    23-Oct-99 11:29:24
  To: Bat Lang                                          24-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: WGET153

Hello Bat,

21 Oct 99 00:17, Bat Lang wrote to Scott Jones:

BL> I have seen several pgms that asked for that entry for THEIR pgm. Does
BL> that mean multiple entries of SET HOME=<whatever>. ??

since this is an environment variable, you can write any number of batch files 
to set the home env. variable to something in each batch file, independent to
any other batch file, independent of any number of these batch files running
concurrently (each in its own session ofcourse).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... when the rain beats against the window pane
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    24-Oct-99 15:15:16
  To: Alan Hess                                         24-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Hello Alan,

22 Oct 99 21:52, Alan Hess wrote to all:

AH> If you need to see my settings, what's the easiest way to save them to
AH> a file?  *adh*

In the DOS settings (Warp 3) / DOS properties (Warp 4) notebook click on the
Print button, choose 'encoded file' and type in the filename (with full path)
to save the DOS settings to a text file.

If you later want to (re)load these or other DOS settings, use the Load button 
and give it the proper filename.

This way, you can backup and restore the DOS settings.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... In any case = In any box ???
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    24-Oct-99 15:31:25
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Linda,

21 Oct 99 23:06, Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark:

MR>> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably
MR>> recover deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups before
MR>> doing anything destructive.

LP> OH!  No one said anything about that!  No 3rd party undeletes?

Type on a OS/2 command prompt "help deldir" (ofcourse without the quotes),
that brings up the appropriate page in the CMDREF.INF file.

With the SET DELDIR= statement, any files that are deleted from the system by
an application or from a command prompt will be placed in the directory
specified by the DELDIR statement. These files will take up disk space up to
the amount specified in the DELDIR statement.

To undelete files which are *really* deleted and are not yet overwritten in
whole or in part in the meantime, there are 3rd party undelete programs, such
as Phoenix/2 (freeware, works perfect for FAT- and HPFS-partitions not greater 
than 2 GB), and The Gammatech Utilities suite and The Graham Utilities suite
both are commercial and both contains an undelete program. AFAIK, both have
try-before-you-try versions. I have the Gammatech Utilities and sometimes use
its undelete program on my 4 GB HPFS partition with success.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... The only thing I've ever seen Windows shine at is Hype!
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   24-Oct-99 15:29:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: Newbie

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Rich Wonneberger:

-=> Rich Wonneberger wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RW> *** Quoting Linda Proulx to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-21-99 ***
 >  RW> BM does not get assigned a drive letter.
 >  RW> The next partition (DOS in your case) will still be C:
 >
 > True.  But before OS/2 installs it does.

 RW> ???
 RW> BM will not get assigned a drive letter before or after installation.
 RW> You will be installing it by booting from the floppies.  OS/2's fdisk

 LP> But before Os2 installs, & I use my programs, the small logical 
 LP> drive will have a letter.  I could Partition Magic & then not 
 LP> install OS/2 for days.  How will I tell OS/2 that the small 
 LP> partition is to be used at the BM drive?

Ok,  I see the point of confusion here...

 RW> will install it.  It does not get a drive letter at this time, or at

 LP> Will the Fdisk just Fdisk the small partition?

Yes.  During the installation process,  you get a choice of easy/advanced, 
pick advanced,  and it'll give you a chance to go into fdisk,  and in there is 
where you install Boot Manager.  As long as there's some free space on your
drive,  that is.  It'll ask whether you want it at the beginning or end of
free space,  and that's it.  Then after BM is installed you get the option in
FDISK to add any other partitions to the BM menu,  alter the defaults,  etc.
(For one example I cut the delay time down from the default 30 seconds to 5 -- 
if my system sees a power glitch I want it back up faster than the default
allows.)

 RW> the next boot. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to do??

 LP> I think you did.  Is what I was trying to say make more sense 
 LP> now? 

I think that you and he were thinking of things in two different contexts, 
there.

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From: Daniela Engert                                    22-Oct-99 18:20:15
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda!

Thus quoth Linda Proulx to Andy Roberts:
 AR>> Well OS/2 is not the dominate game platform like WinXX.  But there
 AR>> is enough available to help the worker take a break.

 LP> Not really a game player but solitare is fun.

Psst - don't tell anybody! The main reason why I joined the Odin development
team was to get back Windows Solitaire. Now I *can* run the Win32 version of
Solitaire from WinNT4 on OS/2 again without firing up the Win3.1 subsystem
before...

bye, Dani

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From: Mike Roark                                        23-Oct-99 21:21:15
  To: Bob Bainbridge                                    24-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Hello Bob!

Friday October 22 1999 12:32, Bob Bainbridge wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> beginning or end of Free Space? It's been so long since
 MR>> I've done it that way I forgot..

 BB> No, you just select the desired free space area and click on INSTALL
 BB> BM.

You know.. one of these days I really have to do a re-install.. ;-) It's been
so long that I've forgotten about a lot of it.. Thanks for the info.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 7h 18m 44s 312ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        23-Oct-99 21:22:20
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: W 4 difs.

Hello Linda!

Thursday October 21 1999 23:02, Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> other than the lan server apps. Advanced might come with HPFS386,
 MR>> but I'm not

 LP> And that is?

A souped up HPFS driver. But from what I understand, it's really expensive,
but does a good job. It has some features that are specific to server type
systems like permissions and the like.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 7h 18m 44s 312ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        23-Oct-99 21:24:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Linda!

Thursday October 21 1999 23:06, Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> recover deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups before
 MR>> doing anything destructive.

 LP> OH!  No one said anything about that!  No 3rd party undeletes?

There is one that I've heard of. It's call Phoenix and is supposed to work.
I've never tried it though. That being said, most of the important files
aren't in directories that are for everyday use. And with rare exception, the
programs you install DON'T go into the \os2 directory like WinXX. I just had
an indication of this at the school where I work. We purchased Frontpage 2000
to do our school Newsletter with. It demanded that I install most of the
program on the c: drive. I had no choice. Even when I told it to install on a
d: drive, it still had to put some of it's files in either the Windows\system
or Program files directory (about 130 meg of them).

I can't think of any program that I use that absolutely has to be on the c:
drive under OS/2.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 7h 18m 44s 312ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        23-Oct-99 22:46:28
  To: Jan Deboer                                        24-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: Questions...

Hello Jan!

Friday October 22 1999 08:10, Jan Deboer wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara:


 RB>> LarserCommander is yet better than FileFreedom.

 JD> Is that a typo for LaserCommander? Sounds like a Norton Commander
 JD> style manager. Thanks for the info - I'll look for it, although, at
 JD> least for now, File Freedom has made me quite happy!

No, it's Larsen Commander. Look around for the latest version. LCMD099.zip is
the filename. I've been using and testing it for a while. Nice..

Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 8h 45m 24s 218ms (en).

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From: Tobias Ernst                                      24-Oct-99 11:43:04
  To: Murray Lesser                                     24-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: Emacs

Hallo Murray!

 ML>     Emacs existed long before Linux was ever dreamed of.  It is a
 ML> very-capable text editor for Unix, written by (IIRC) a student at MIT 
 ML> in the 1970's.

I don't know if he was a student at MIT in the 70's, but one of the initators
of Emacs (you never know for sure who is the main author in a GNU project) is
Richard Stallman.

 ML>     I believe (but am not sure) that there are emacs "ports" to OS/2.

Eberhard Matthes ported Emacs for OS/2 PM up to 19.33. Works very good (all
Unix features are there, plus some OS/2 PM gimmicks like dragging text into
the Emacs window opens the file there, etc.). There also is Emacs for XFree86, 
of couse, and an Emacs 20.x port by Holger Veit. I don't know for sure if the
20.x port is only for XFree86, or if it also has a PM version. I'm still at
19.33.

 ML> (There, I'm back on topic!)  However, any youngster who grew up on 
 ML> GUIs would probably find emacs hard to use.

Of course. But even yougsters are forced to learn Emacs sometimes, if they
work in Unix environments, and once you have learned it, it proves to be a
very powerful tool and you start using it on all platforms where you can get
it. That's another advantage on Emacs, you can get it on nearly every
computer.

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                24-Oct-99 16:15:23
  To: Kenneth Abrams                                    24-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

21 Oct 99 23:29, Kenneth Abrams wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>> Running in text-only mode is NOT ACCEPTABLE. I want to be able to use

 KA> It is, however, completely possible, despite statements by you 
 KA> indicating otherwise.

Oh go away. I never said anything of the sort. I have run my machine
using CMD.EXE as the command shell. The point you seem to be missing is,
I don't want to. This is a personnal machine with a new video card, and
a new 15" SVGA monitor. I will not use text-only.

If you can't help, don't respond.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

... Allskate: Insurance company that cancels a policy
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From: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 02:52:27
  To: Peter Knapper                                     25-Oct-99 03:10:02
Subj: Re: Registration

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> You should have seen a posting of a REXX script that will turn ON/OFF
 PK> the dancing Elephant.

Yes, I believe I did (and saved it <G>)

Linda

... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 16:50:15
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 03:10:02
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

Greetings,

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> DOS prgms are almost never a problem running under OS/2's DOS.  I was
 AR> talking about the Windows prgms which are more often than not APITA.
                                                                ???^^^^^????

 AR> I think you are worring about a non-existant problem before giving it a
 AR> try.

Probably, but I like all my options open until everything comes together
<G>.

 AR> That's why I offered to make the CD for you.

And I appreciate it.  The comment was made because many responders
assume that I had an Inet account.

 AR> Really.  And I suggest you attempt that ASAP.  Less worry that way.

I promise.  Once all comes together....................... Sigh......

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 17:16:12
  To: John Thompson                                     25-Oct-99 03:10:02
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> John Thompson wrote to Peter Knapper <=-

 JT> Is that confusing enough?

Really BIG Grin.....................

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 17:18:11
  To: Gord Hannah                                       25-Oct-99 03:10:02
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> If I get a chance to get to someone's Internet, does your board
 LP> allow telneting?

 GH> Not at present,  need to do some configuration to get it to work
 GH> properly.  I do not have a full time internet connection yet.

If you ever let me know.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 17:47:11
  To: Will Honea                                        25-Oct-99 03:10:02
Subj: Re: Y2K

Greetings,

I sent you an email.  If you don't happen to receive it, let me know
here.

 WH> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Soon,

Linda

... Instant Human: Just add coffee!
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   24-Oct-99 21:44:29
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             25-Oct-99 03:10:02
Subj: Table Partitions

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> Try sending an email to fileserv%tanstaaf@frackit.com and putting get
 RJT> presz* in the body of the message.  You'll need a uudecoder to process
 RJT> the result.

 RCB> Send me a list of files in your BBS available for freq.

 RCB> Others sysops with files for freqs, please send me it too.

Try sending a message to fileserv%tanstaaf@frackit.com with the words get
files in the body of the message and you'll get one...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   24-Oct-99 21:04:20
  To: Bob Wright                                        25-Oct-99 03:10:02
Subj: Y2K

Bob Wright wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 BW> Greetings, Roy...

 BW>  Roy J. Tellason hastily said to Bob Wright:

 BW>> In my case, inertia.  I never got around to getting the PKware
 BW>> one.  "Free" didn't hurt any, either ;)

 RJT> I suppose I oughta get familiar with it one of these days.  Probably
 RJT> they'll work better,  too.

 BW> I don't necessarily know about better, since I don't have any 
 BW> real basis for comparison.  I do recall, though, that the 
 BW> InfoZip set won't handle or create archives that span floppies..

That's a feature that somehow has not really ever managed to assume that much
importance to me...

When I wrote that I was thinking about one particular program that I run here
which gets its output redirected to a log file (since it doesn't provide any
built-in logging facilities) and I see over and over and over again,  this
text:

   Extracting bundle from 1/720.
   -> Executing 'pkunzip -oed M:\MAX\FILE\INBOUND\00000069.TH6 '

   PKUNZIP (R)    FAST!    Extract Utility    Version 2.04g  02-01-93
   Copr. 1989-1993 PKWARE Inc. All Rights Reserved. Shareware Version
   PKUNZIP Reg. U.S. Pat. and Tm. Off.

Not just a line of junk,  _three_ of them.  I'm much more attuned to the unix
philosophy of unclutter,  don't produce output that doesn't bear directly on
the function of the program,  or report errors.  I strongly suspect that the
info-zip products fall under that heading.

 BW>>> ZIPCONTROL, although I've tried others along the way.

 BW> [... snip ...]

 BW>> You can use a set of default parameters, and don't have to
 BW>> remember the command-line ones.

 RJT> Overall,  it sounds like it's worth a look.  Now to try and get a hold
 RJT> of it...

 BW> It'll be on Hobbes in the archiver directory.  I originally got 
 BW> it from Gary Hammer's Must-Have Utilities site.

 BW> Or, you can go direct to the source at 
 BW> http://www.RPFSoftware.com

One of these days,  when I get 'net access.  At this point I've got email and
that's it.

 BW> The version I have here is 2.6.3 so I'd expect that you'd need 
 BW> to look for a file with the name zipct263.zip.  (I am sort of 
 BW> guessing at this, since I seem to have gotten carried away with 
 BW> the housecleaning and deleted the latest archive as well as the 
 BW> two prior ones..)

Heh.  I hate it when that happens...  That's one of the nice things about the
newer,  larger drives,  about having things networked,  you don't have to toss 
stuff out like you used to.  And at last resort there's always the pile of
formerly-AOL floppies I have here.

 BW>> - Origin: Merlin's Tower - Surrey, BC (1:153/944)

 RJT> <g>

 BW> Pure coincidence, I'm afraid.  I sort of inherited things from 
 BW> my son, who was into Arthurian legend when came up with the 
 BW> name.. about 6 years ago, so it predates Warp 3, let alone 
 BW> Merlin/Warp 4.  It does fit rather nicely, though, doesn't it?? 
 BW> :)

Yep.

 RJT> Got email?

 BW> rtwrigh@attglobal.net

More to follow in that channel...

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From: Tobias Ernst                                      24-Oct-99 19:51:17
  To: Will Honea                                        25-Oct-99 05:23:23
Subj: Version 2.x DOS TS ??

Hallo Will!

 WH> I don't ever recall that problem with Warp 2.1 or 2.11, but some
 WH> fixpaks broke it that way for Warp 4.  Could have hit Warp 3 as well,
 WH> since that was about the time they started to converge a lot of 
 WH> things.

The bug in fact was also present in some 2.x versions, at least I was told
this by many people when I discovered the Bug in Warp 4 (affected: Warp 4 GA,
fixed with Fixpack 5 (maybe a little earlier)). Unfortunately I don't know
which, either.

The Warp 4 bug was also migrated into Warp 3 (I think Fix 22 to 26 had the bug 
as well). The current Warp 3 fixpacks don't have it, fortunately.

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 11:22:00
  To: ALAN HESS                                         25-Oct-99 05:23:23
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Some senseless babbling from Alan Hess to All
on 10-22-99  21:52 about dos games under Warp 4...

 AH> I've got a pair of pinball games that I'm trying to run in mdos under
 AH> Warp, and things are not working properly.  I followed the
 AH> documentation for setting up games settings, but these two insist on
 AH> closing during play (last night, one of them set off my printer, which
 AH> kept printing page after page until I turned it off.  Will such games
 AH> work under os/2?  If so, what do I need to do? 
 AH> If you need to see my settings, what's the easiest way to save them to
 AH> a file?  *adh*

Most DOS games work under OS/2.  Some do odd things, which work under plain
DOS, but not OS/2 (though I've seen games which don't work under DOS, but
do under OS/2's DOS).

If they're crashing, the most likely remedy is to increase the memory
available to the session.  There's no simple way to figure out which type
of memory the game uses (unless it's in the documentation), so increase
DPMI, EMS, and XMS.  Also, on the chance that the game is a DPMI client,
change the DOS_DPMI_API value to ENABLED.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 11:25:00
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     25-Oct-99 05:23:23
Subj: Emacs

Some senseless babbling from Murray Lesser to Linda Proulx
on 10-22-99  21:40 about Emacs...

 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-21-99, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to
 ML> Linda Proulx (original topic: Warp 3 Install):
 ML> 
 ML> Hi Linda--
 
 LP> What is 'emacs' ?
 
 RB>It is text editor ported from Linux. Difficult to use. I dont like.

 ML> Emacs existed long before Linux was ever dreamed of.  It is a
 ML> very-capable text editor for Unix, written by (IIRC) a student at MIT
 ML> in the 1970's.  (I suppose I should never have thrown away those old
 ML> manuals, but I am still running out of bookcase space.)  I used a
 ML> "port" of emacs to CP/M (a "disk-oriented" operating system for desktop
 ML> computers powered by the eight-bit 8080 or Z80 cpu chips) in 1979. 
 ML> The port was named MINCE (MINCE Is Not Complete Emacs) and was part of
 ML> a two-program word-processor application named Amethyst.  I don't know
 ML> what Amethyst was an acronym for, if anything; perhaps it was so named
 ML> because it was a jewel of a word-processor for its day.  (I am writing
 ML> this with a vintage-1988 DOS descendent of Amethyst, in an OS/2 Warp 4
 ML> VDM.)

 ML> I believe (but am not sure) that there are emacs "ports" to OS/2.
 ML> (There, I'm back on topic!)  However, any youngster who grew up on
 ML> GUIs would probably find emacs hard to use.

There is indeed at least one complete port of EMACS to OS/2.

The fun part of that program is getting Zippy the Pinhead to spar off with
Eliza.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 11:29:00
  To: WILL HONEA                                        25-Oct-99 05:23:23
Subj: Netscape and Java

Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Ron Nicholls
on 10-22-99  23:27 about Netscape and Java...

[snip]

 WH> BTW, is everyone aware of the ALT-CTL-T function in Comm/2 4.61 to
 WH> show the connected URLs?  Really nice for getting the full URL that's
 WH> truncated in the d/l window.

That's a useful bit of info.  That will save me a lot of IP tracing time.

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 11:32:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      25-Oct-99 05:23:23
Subj: Re: Registration

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 10-22-99  22:38 about Re: Registration...

 -=> Dan Egli wrote to All <=-
 
 DE> Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm unwilling to
 DE> wait for a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get one) and since I've
 DE> already registered Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is a method
 DE> for disabling the stupid registration reminder that pops up
 DE> periodically.

 LP> What is this?????????

The elephant thing, which is only in Warp 4.  The way to disable it is to
rename \os2\art\artchron.exe to something else.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 11:35:00
  To: WILL HONEA                                        25-Oct-99 05:23:23
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Linda Proulx
on 10-23-99  00:19 about Re: Warp 3 install...

 WH> Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark on 10-21-1999
 
 LP> -=> Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
 LP> 
 LP>  MR> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably
recover
 LP>  MR> deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups before doing
anything
 LP>  MR> destructive.
 LP> 
 LP> OH!  No one said anything about that!  No 3rd party undeletes?

 WH> At least 2 freebies, and one built in.  For partitions under 2 gig,
 WH> File Phoenix works well.  For about any size, DFSEE works just fine
 WH> even if the file recovery is a tad bit obscure.

The Graham Utilities and GammaTech Utilities both have HPFS undelete
programs.  It'd actually be a fairly simple task to write one, too, with
all the junk I've stuffed in my head the last couple weeks poking around
HPFS.  The only drawback, compared to FAT, is that it's time-consuming.
With FAT, it's a matter of looking for directory entries that have just had
the first character "deleted".  With HPFS, the drive must be scanned for
FNodes which aren't owned by any files contained in the directory tree.

 WH> And for the real klutz, there's always CHKDSK /f:3.  That will recover
 WH> even re-formatted files (unless you low level format).  Only problem
 WH> with that is that it recovers everything it can whether you want it or
 WH> not.

You don't need to do a low-level format.  If you format with the /L switch,
it'll prevent /F:3 from recovering files from a previous format.  There's
actually a bit in the partition status byte (offset 0x08 in the HPFS
SpareBlock) that says the drive was fast-formatted, so that CHKDSK can
provide the warning it does.

Mike Ruskai
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From: Alan Hess                                         24-Oct-99 22:14:17
  To: all                                               25-Oct-99 05:23:23
Subj: fastback

Is Fastback Y2K ready, or do I have to buy myself a new backup utility?  If I
must replace it, what do you recommend?  *adh*

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 08:33:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Environment

In a message dated 10-21-99, Linda Proulx said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> Yes Warp is very good but OTOH Win3.11 is the most stable Windows GUI
 HG> that I have ever used after I increased environment space to 768.

LP>How did you do that?

Easy my friend.  In the config.sys file after the command
SHELL=.............. add /E:768 /P /F

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 08:33:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 10-21-99, Andy Roberts said to Linda Proulx:

AR>From Pete Norloff's BBS:
AR>---
AR>CPRINT.ZIP    57K  6-25-94  CPRINT v5.04 Text File Format/Print Utility.
AR>                            Print both sides of paper; headers; margins;
AR>                            page length control; etc, etc. Useful for
AR>                            text docs and program source files. Source
incl.

Hi Andy. I'd appreciate if you could attach that file to:
         holgra@alcom.aland.fi

I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address.
If I knew, I could DL it myself.

I always like to print out and RTFM ;-)

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 17:11:00
  To: Jan Deboer                                        25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Questions...

In a message dated 10-22-99, Jan Deboer said to Holger Granholm:

JD>(freeware) on a BBS, installed it, and liked it. Enough similaritiy
JD>to the W3.1 file manager that we feel comfortable, and a lot fewer
JD>clicks to accomplish tasks than doing it via Warp.

I don't like any "clicks" in a file manager and I don't like the
Win3.1 file manager at all. Nothing  beats straight key control in
a file manager.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 17:11:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 10-22-99, Andy Roberts said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Andy,

 HG> Make it two ;-). I'd be very interested in one also

AR>Is that for Warp3 or Warp4?  I have FP12 and FP39 already.

Oh sorry, it slipped my mind that Linda was installing Warp 3 and I'm
running Warp 4. I already have FP10 and at the moment am not considering
an upgrade from that.

AR>languages.  Sheesh, it might be easier for me to order the SUN CD
AR>and then send that to you along with the other CD of my stuff.
AR>Have you asked SUN how much they would charge you for shipping?

Just did connect to sun.com. The CD is 9.95 and the S/H is $6.00-25.00.
I bet they would charge me the highest cost.

Actually I'm only interested in the OS/2 and Linux versions but I
thought it would maybe be a good idea having the Windows version(s).
Personally I'm not considering downgrading to any Win9x version.

AR>Everything overseas goes out Air Mail AFAIK.  I can send you the CDs
AR>and you can pay me later.  I've only had 1 person who didn't pay. 
AR>So I might as well keep trusting everyone else.

Just checked. I've got USD 79.00 in greenbacks so there is no risk;-)

AR>I have 1/2 a dozen old Hobbes CDs, but I quit subscribing when I got
AR>Internet access many years ago.

I've got three but the CPRINT I mentioned in another message isn't on
any of them. I do however have the BOTH (oldie) for DOS and it's good.

AR>Send me an E-Mail with the details and your snail mail address.

Yeah, I will.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 17:11:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 10-21-99, Linda Proulx said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> I'm using both MR/2 (MR2_226.ZIP), registered, and

LP>Is MR/2 Y2Ked like MM31?

At least I hope so. The author seems to only be involved with the
MR2ICE at the moment but I didn't actually like that.

Anyway, MultiMail is a good replacement if it isn't and it's constantly
upgraded.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 17:11:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 10-22-99, Linda Proulx said to Andy Roberts:

Hi Linda,

LP>True.  But at the moment I have DOS legacy programs & am use to
LP>them. I have to find the OS/2 ones to replace them, I know but I
LP>still want to use the programs I have.  And if some won't work with
LP>OS/2 I have to be able to use DOS, at least at the moment.  Without
LP>an Inet account, it's hard to get OS/2 stuff.

I too occasionally use one of my old DOS programs in OS/2 and so far all
of them have worked OK as long as the OS/2 autoexec.bat program has the
correct entries that are required for that program, path, set, etc.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 17:11:00
  To: Alan Hess                                         25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

In a message dated 10-22-99, Alan Hess said to all:

AH>I've got a pair of pinball games that I'm trying to run in mdos
AH>under Warp, and things are not working properly.

First thing is that you do have the same settings in the OS/2
autoexec.bat that are required in the DOS autoexec.bat.

That includes all path, set and other settings in DOS for the game(s).

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 17:11:00
  To: Dan Egli                                          25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Registration

In a message dated 10-21-99, Dan Egli said to All:

DE>Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm unwilling
DE>to wait for a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get one) and since
DE>I've already registered Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is a
DE>method for disabling the stupid registration reminder that pops up
DE>periodically.

The simplest method is to delete all files in X:\OS2\ART. X: is of
course your OS/2 boot partition.

I did just that and have never been troubled by the elephant since.

Or you may want to use the REXX script provided by Peter Knapper.

There's also a third way by going through the drives icon and remove
the program. I don't recall the exact procedure but it was described
by Terence Green in the OS/2 column of Personal Computer World.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   24-Oct-99 17:11:00
  To: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

In a message dated 10-22-99, Jean-michel Dossogne said to Holger
Granholm:

Hello Jean-Michel,

 HG> First of all, is it an IDE or SCSI drive?
JD>scsi, with original chinon scsi controller

In that case, try to find another SCSI controller that is recognized
by OS/2. Adaptec's AVA-1505 (ISA) and AHA-2930C (PCI) are the cheapest
but neither can be used as a boot controller.

They are primarily intended for scanners and CD drives.

 HG> But I won't touch Win9x even with pliers.

JD>I do. But I'm inconscious & love The Great Adventure.

Lucky you <BG>.

Holger

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From: Scott Jones                                       24-Oct-99 22:07:12
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> On 21 Oct 99  23:03:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 SJ> 3.11, which made no improvements, but *did* break Win support in the
 SJ> red spine versions of OS/2.

 LP> So I can't run 311 with the red flavour?

Quite honestly, I've never tried.  When I was running Warp 3, it was the
blue version.  For the few apps that either required a higher level of
Win32s than OS/2 supported or absolutely wouldn't run under WinOS/2, I
kept a small DOS/WfWG partition.


                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: John Thompson                                     24-Oct-99 20:26:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: E-Mail servers??

In a message to Russell Tiedt, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote re: E-Mail
servers??

JP> In particular, the usual "sendmail -bd -q30m" will run a sendmail daemon
JP> listening on the SMTP port for incoming mail, and will deliver it
according to
JP> the rewrite and mailer rules set up in sendmail.cf .  

The "sendmail -bd -q30m" will queue messages and attempt to send 
them every 30 minutes, which is fine if you have a full-time
connection to the network.  If you're relying on an intermittent
dial-up connection to the internet it may be easier to start a
second sendmail process with "sendmail -q" after the connection
is established.  This second sendmail process will send any
messages it finds in the outbound queue and terminate itself 
after they have been sent.


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From: John Thompson                                     24-Oct-99 20:26:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message to Scott Jones, Linda Proulx wrote re: Warp 3 install

SJ> 3.11, which made no improvements, but *did* break Win support in the
SJ> red spine versions of OS/2.
 
LP> So I can't run 311 with the red flavour?

"Windows for Workgroups" v3.11 will work with Warp v3 red spine, 
except for the networking features. The WfWG network support uses
VxD drivers which aren't permitted in OS/2 (or WinNT either, and 
for the same reason; they represent a serious compromise of 
system stabiltiy).

OTOH, regular Windows (not-for-Workgroups) v3.11 will not work 
with any version of OS/2.  It has been speculated that this was 
one of Microsoft's intentions in releasing this "update" as it 
otherwise provided no additional features or functionality over 
Windows v3.1.

If you're unsure which version you have, check the "Help...About"
option in one of the core Windows programs (eg, Program Manager, 
File Manager, etc.) and it should tell you.  Otherwise, the 
Windows "splash screen" that displays when Windows is loading 
also will show this information.


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From: John Thompson                                     24-Oct-99 20:26:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: What Need ?

In a message to Linda Proulx, Peter Knapper wrote re: What Need ?

PK>> If I read your question correctly, you are talking about APPLICATION
PK>> .DLL files that are NOT part of the Operating System. These are not
PK>> provided with OS/2 just the same as they are not provided with
PK>> Windows...

LP> Correct.  Which ones would I be looking for?
 
PK> I have NEVER installed an OS/2 application that did not provide any
external
PK> DLL files it needed, so I would suspect that there is no need to actually
look
PK> for anything.

The major exception to this is programs compiled using the emx 
compiler, which often require you to pick up the emx run-time 
libraries separately.  But the emx run-time libraries are very 
readily available.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 22:38:04
  To: All                                               25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Greetings,

I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the OS/2
drive that OS/2 can read it.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      24-Oct-99 23:02:29
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    25-Oct-99 06:36:25
Subj: Re: faxworks

-=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> it does have the ability to import text, but not directly. Print or
 ET> type the text file to the LPT-port set up and used by the faxworks
 ET> driver (that's LPT3 on my system), print images to the same LPT-port.

How does that import text?

Linda

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From: Bob Bainbridge                                    25-Oct-99 11:10:22
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  25-Oct-99 11:10:22
Subj: Computer History

 LE> Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
 LE> mainframe.

 LE> And as far as card punching goes, how many of you know what a "drum
 LE> card" for a keypunch does?

Yes, I've made drum cards for 024/026 keypunch machines and even worked on 010 
punch (manual card punch with keys the size of quarters). I've also loaded
many diagnostic loops into mainframes via the bit switches. The 1620
scientific computer had a paper tape reader that would load long programs, if
the tape didn't tangle or break.

Bob Bainbridge <Team OS/2>
bob_bainbridge@prodigy.com bbainbridge@vnet.ibm.com

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From: Bob Bainbridge                                    25-Oct-99 11:15:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 11:15:19
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

 HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address.
 HG> If I knew, I could DL it myself.

 www.os2bbs.com

Bob Bainbridge <Team OS/2>
bob_bainbridge@prodigy.com bbainbridge@vnet.ibm.com

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From: Jan Deboer                                        24-Oct-99 07:09:26
  To: John Thompson                                     25-Oct-99 12:13:14
Subj: Questions...

On 22 Oct 99  20:21:00 John Thompson wrote to Jan Deboer...

 JT> You can order fixpacks on CD from OS/2 Supersite
 JT> (http://os2ss.com) and (I think) BMT Micro or Indelible Blue.

Yes, maybe that's the way to go - it's just that downloading provides
instant gratification and saves a few shekels.  :)

 JT> But 1GB HD capacity shouldn't restrict you from using the
 JT> internet with OS/2.  When I started using OS/2 on the internet I
 JT> only had a 250MB drive!

What browser did you use? My internet machine used to a 486 w 20Mb
memory and a 420 Mb HD running netscape under W3.1, but, gawd, was it
s-l-o-o-w. That, and laziness is probaby the reason I haven't
installed a browser on this O/S2 machine. Opera sounds interesting!



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From: Peter Knapper                                     25-Oct-99 23:29:16
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 12:13:14
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Hi Linda,

 LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
 LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
 LP> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the OS/2
 LP> drive that OS/2 can read it.

Yes to both questions. HOWEVER, you may need to think about EA's in this
situation. If the OS/2 created file has EA's (Extended Attributes) attached,
then they will be ignored by the DOS environment that reads that file. If the
DOS environment re-writes that file, then those EA's will be lost and will not 
be present when you read the file under OS/2. This may not be an issue if they 
are pure DOS applications that normally access those files, or the EA's are
for information purposes only and not important to the OS/2 processing of that 
file. 

A good example is using the OS/2 text editor "E" to edit AUTOEXEC.BAT. It will 
attach EA's to that file that indicate what type of text file it is (you are
asked for this info when "E" saves the file), but if you re-edit that file
using a DOS editor, then the EA's will be lost until the file is re-edited
using an OS/2 application that wishes to use EA's. In this particular
situation the EA issue is non-fatal, but this might not always be the case.

A good way to understand EA's better is to look at a REXX .CMD file on an HPFS 
drive. Here is one such file on an HPFS drive -

 9/01/99   9:43       1204        4298  psend.cmd

In this case the PSEND.CMD file is 1204 bytes long, and the EA's for it occupy 

4298 bytes. When this file is run, REXX checks to see if the main file
(PSEND.CMD) has been updated since the EA's for it were created, and if so it
automatically "re-compiles" the REXX script into the EA's, and then runs the
EA's. Subsequent runs of the .CMD file are fast because it has already been
"compiled".  As soon as the file date is later than the EA date, REXX
"re-compiles" it again automatically. 

Again, the EA's for REXX files are non fatal, they will be automatically
re-built once the file is run under OS/2, but they are a useful example of the 
relationships between files and EA's. They are a close cousin to the Macintosh 
concept of a Data FORK and Resource FORK for a file.

I hope this helps..........pk.


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From: Andy Roberts                                      24-Oct-99 22:16:17
  To: Murray Lesser                                     25-Oct-99 14:16:02
Subj: File Systems

 Murray Lesser,

24-Oct-99 10:39:02, Murray Lesser wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: File Systems
 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-22-99, Andy Roberts to Mike
 ML> Roark; original topic: Warp 3 Install):

 AR>> While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
 AR>> can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.

Ok I was wrong about that.  Very small partitions (under 80MB), removable
media such as floppies and ZIP drives, and a very few other considerations,
which probably aren't worth the hassle in most cases, do favor FAT over HPFS.

 ML> If your whole partition will contain only a few long sequential
 ML> files,

Provided those files don't exceed the DOS/FAT limited 8.3 file name.

 ML> FAT is not only faster

According to the online information "OS/2 Warp Command Reference", "File
Allocation Table (FAT): aging gracefully":
--- Excerpt ---
 > For small volumes (under 80MB), FAT might actually be faster than HPFS.
--- End Quote ---

I think that also implies the inverse that for volumes larger than 80MB, FAT
might actually be slower than HPFS.

 ML> but has more capacity.

I assume you are talking about added overhead for HPFS that is not necessary
for FAT on very small partitions, otherwise:

From the same above online reference:
--- Excerpt ---
 > FAT volumes are limited to 2GB in size.

From "OS/2 Warp Command Reference", "High Performance File System (HPFS)":
 > HPFS was optimized for use on large hard drives, and can provide
 > tremendous performance and space utilization improvements over FAT on
 > large hard drives.

 > HPFS volumes can be larger than 2GB, though if you have a large RAID
 > (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) Drive or other large hard disk, you
 > should try to keep the size of a single volume under 16GB to avoid
 > potential recovery problems.  RAID is a scheme to create an extremely
 > large drive by transparently linking together many smaller hard drives.
--- End Quote ---

 ML> I back up to Iomega Zip diskettes using the OS/2 BACKUP and RESTORE
 ML> utilities. It would make no sense whatsoever to format those diskettes
 ML> HPFS.

Granted

 ML> Choice of file system should depend on what one is going to put
 ML> into the partition, not on the "Team OS/2" conventional wisdom.  I
 ML> agree that for general use with partitions that are much larger
 ML> than 100 MB, HPFS has enough advantages over FAT to be the
 ML> preferred choice.  For partitions much smaller than 100 MB, FAT is
 ML> usually the preferred choice because it will provide both more
 ML> capacity and better performance.  (See "Performance Tuning OS/2
 ML> Warp" - a white paper for Warp 3 ISVs, written about the time Warp
 ML> 3 was released by Ron Cadina (then at IBM Boca Raton).  It is
 ML> still available as \WARPPERF\WARPPERF.ASC on disc M1 of DevCon
 ML> Release 2 vol 3.)

Humm.. I keep thinking about subscribing to DevCon, but I'm stingy. <g>

 ML> I keep one small (51 MB) partition on my HD as a "scratch"
 ML> partition for holding ephemera, such as the Netscape Cache and
 ML> those intermediate files built by my compilers.  It gets
 ML> reformatted by STARTUP.CMD, which is much easier than going
 ML> through periodic housecleaning cycles, thereby giving it most of
 ML> the advantages of a very-large virtual drive! However, since it is
 ML> the only small partition on my HD, I keep it formatted HPFS for
 ML> consistency's sake; the small performance and space loss isn't
 ML> important for these files, and I need no separate FAT cache.

It is the "HPFS for consistency's sake" reason, or in my words: not having to
worry about 'DOS Think' limitations, that I prefer to make everything HPFS
that does not have some other default, such as removable media.

 ML> But I would never attempt to format any of my "removable media"
 ML> drives HPFS.  While it would be possible (in some cases), it most
 ML> certainly wouldn't serve any useful purpose.

Removable media falls into a different class.  1.44MB floppies for example
are still limited to FAT, which never ceases to confound me.  Fortunately I
get a failure warning every time I forget and try to copy a long file name to
floppy.  Even more fortunate is that CDR does not have that 'DOS Think' limit,
(unless selected), although that is not HPFS it is not FAT either.  As far as
ZIP drives are concerned (I don't have 1), I agree it is not worth the effort
to force the default to change to HPFS, in most cases.

I'm saying you are right.  Yet I think we still agree that if given an easy
choice HPFS is the way to go.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 02:12:00
  To: Daniela Engert                                    25-Oct-99 14:16:02
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Daniela Engert wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 DE> Psst - don't tell anybody! The main reason why I joined the Odin
 DE> development team was to get back Windows Solitaire. Now I *can* run the

Are you a beta tester?  Programmer?  When will it be available to folk
like me? '-)

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 02:18:13
  To: Murray Lesser                                     25-Oct-99 14:16:02
Subj: Re: Phoenix

-=> Murray Lesser wrote to Will Honea <=-

 ML>     Does it recover the EAs?  v 1.33 doesn't.  GammaTech UnDelete does.

What are EAs?


Linda

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From: Lee Aroner                                        24-Oct-99 09:30:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       25-Oct-99 14:16:02
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

MR> Some senseless babbling from Lee Aroner to Mike Ruskai
  > on 10-21-99  21:17 about Version 2.x SysLevel ??...

MR> [snip]
 MR> http://home.att.net/~thanny/syslevel.os2
MR>  
 MR> That file was uploaded right off of disk 1 of my OS/2 2.1 installation
 > floppies.

 LA> Thanks for the try, but nothing much comes up at that 
 LA> URL...appears your ISP is treating it as a text file and only 
 LA> transmitting the 7 bit portions.

MR> Your web browser is complicit in the stupidity.  If you explicitly save it
  > to disk, you'll find it's intact.

   <Smile> Tried that, of course.

   For some reason, it simply wouldn't recognize it as a file of 
   type "os2"...


 LA> How bout a file attach to:  leea@psynet.net ?

MR> I'll do that, and I'll also ZIP it at the web site, in case you lose the
  > e-mail.

   Just for grins, I'll try the site again......yup, got it as 
   /syslevel.zip.

   No idea why it wouldn't save as os2...

                                               LRA


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From: Lee Aroner                                        24-Oct-99 10:01:01
  To: Murray Lesser                                     25-Oct-99 14:16:02
Subj: Uninstall Programs

ML>     BTW, there is a nifty little vintage-1994 utility named CHKDLL32.EXE
  > (I don't remember where I got it) that will test a 32-bit OS/2 EXE or
  > DLL file and tell you whether or not it can find all the DLLs required
  > and where it found them.  Very handy.  I've never needed this utility to
  > dig out a DLL that an "install" program put in some strange place, but
  > it could serve that purpose.  Note, however, that it will "find" any
  > OS/2 "system" DLLs (API calls) that are used by that program.  These
  > will (most likely) be in \OS2\DLL and should _not_ be deleted when
  > deleting the calling program.


   It's part of CSet++ and the VisualAge tools. There is also now a 
   WIN version, dated August 99, size of 126k. The OS/2 version is 
   53.6k. FastFTP Search will lead one to multiple download 
   opportunities @ http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/?form=mediu

   UniMaint also contains a DLL cross-reference tool that 
   accomplishes the same thing...

                                        LRA


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From: Lee Aroner                                        24-Oct-99 21:23:02
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  25-Oct-99 14:16:02
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Lawrence R. Mintz to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 LRM> The limit on logical drives is simply the
 LRM> letters of the alphabet (for drive designations) left over after all
 LRM> the primary partitions have been assigned.  That is true for DOS, all
 LRM> flavors of Windows and OS/2. 

LE> Actually, under at least some versions of DOS the limits are a bit
  > broader. We had a LAN that ran under DOS 2.x. And you could not only
  > have drives A-Z, but also @:, [:, and ]: I'm not sure if it allowed \:,
  > ^: or _:.


   T'was the NetWare redirector that enabled drive ID's beyond Z... 
   so far as I know, no other NOS allowed that.


                                             LRA


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From: Ian Moote                                         25-Oct-99 08:54:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      25-Oct-99 14:16:02
Subj: Confirmation Needed

LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that
LP> those files can be used by DOS [...]

Assuming the medium is using a file system which DOS can read (FAT), 
yes.


LP> & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to
LP> the OS/2 drive that OS/2 can read it.

Yes.

If you copy a file from a DOS FAT disk to a Commodore 64 BAM disk, the 
Commodore 64 will be able to read it. If you copy a Commodore 64 BAM 
disk to a TRS-80 GAT disk, the TRS-80 will be able to read it.

The format of the file and the system on which it has originated doesn't 
usually make a difference to the openning and reading of files on 
"foreign" systems. All that usually matters is that the medium is 
formatted with a file system which the targe operating system can 
understand.

(An exception to this would be C=64 "relative" files, I think.)

BTW, what's "an OS/2 32-bit formatted drive"?

Take care and TTYL.

---
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From: Jack Stein                                        24-Oct-99 09:18:00
  To: Jan Deboer                                        25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Questions...

Jan Deboer wrote in a message to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara:

 JD> On 21 Oct 99  15:50:48 Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Jan
 JD> Deboer... 

 JD> Found a neat freeware file manager called File Freedom. End of
 JD> problem. Obviously, I wasn't the only one who thought something better
 JD> was needed!

 RB> LarserCommander is yet better than FileFreedom.

 JD> Is that a typo for LaserCommander? Sounds like a Norton
 JD> Commander style manager. Thanks for the info - I'll look for
 JD> it, although, at least for now, File Freedom has made me
 JD> quite happy!

You would be happier with FileCommander/2 or OS2 Commander.  I  would
recommend you give FC/2 a good hard look.  I use OS2C myself, but FC/2 is
about the same and it is still active with the developer.  Neither are
freeware, but both reasonably priced at about $30, and the shareware
unregistered versions are fully functional, so costs nothing to take 'em for a 
ride.  Both have a million features and it takes several weeks to get used to
what all they can do for you, so a couple of days is not enough to test drive
them.  Couple months is more what is needed, so be patient with them, and
learn all the features before discarding them.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        24-Oct-99 09:30:05
  To: Jan Deboer                                        25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Questions...

Jan Deboer wrote in a message to Mike Ruskai:

 JD> On 21 Oct 99  11:02:00 MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JAN DEBOER...

 JD> Oh dear. I don't use my OS/2 machine for the internet. No browser
 JD> installed, since it only has total 1Gb HD capacity. Any alternative?

 MR> Only 1GB?  You're new to computers, aren't you?

 JD> Not really - started out with Sinclair ZX80, then Vic20,
 JD> Commie 64, 386DX20, then this 486. Currently, a P233mmx

Then you know 1 gig is only recently considered small:-)

 JD> This 486 was current technology when bought (expensive
 JD> mistake, best buy = LAST generation!), and Warp3 was
 JD> installed when it was released. Eventually, the original 540
 JD> Mb HD's were replaced by a 2.6Gb using OnTrack disk manager
 JD> (no LBA support) and W95 was installed. My experience was
 JD> that IE gave far better 'net performance than Netscape.

I haven't found that to be true, but both are pigs.  Anyway, my 486 has no LBA 
either, and I run no disk mangler crap.  Just in case you don't know, OS/2 has 
no need for a Disk Mangler on large drives.  The trick is to define your large 
drives in you bios as some combination that comes out to 504megs, then, create 
a boot partition that fits totally within the 504 meg limit for non LBA boot
partitions.  (150-200 megs is more than enough for a warp 3 boot partition)
The rest of the drive can be as big as you want using HPFS.  This is the
prefered method anyway, no need for giant partitions used for booting the OS.

Also, my 486/66 runs about as fast with OS/2 as my P133 at work runs WIN95,
faster for most things, slower for a few things.  
               
                                                   Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        24-Oct-99 09:41:24
  To: Dan Egli                                          25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Registration

Dan Egli wrote in a message to All:

 DE> Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm
 DE> unwilling to wait for a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get
 DE> one) and since I've already registered Warp 4 before, I am
 DE> wondering if there is a method for disabling the stupid
 DE> registration reminder that pops up periodically.

 DE> Anyone know?

I never registered OS/2, didn't know you could?  It's not shareware?

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        24-Oct-99 09:44:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: More Questions ;-)

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> If I install the red flavour of Warp 3 and get a copy of
 LP> blue flavour later, would there be a problem installing over
 LP> the red, or do I have to uninstall the red ?

I dunno, never used the red version, but if it were me, I would zap all the
files in the boot partition and do a fresh install.  That certainly is not
necessary, but would be the easist I think.  The blue version was released at
FP 5 level.  You do need 35 megs FREE space to do the install though.  If the
OS/2 partition doesn't have 35 megs free, it won't install.  The install
routine is too dumb to delete/ignore files it will be overwriting before
checking the freespace.

 LP> Also looking for a suggestion for an OS/2 (or DOS, Win) file
 LP> list maker and utilities that extracts diz/readmes, etc from
 LP> all archive types & subdirectories & that also does not
 LP> depend on board specific files.  

I don't know what you mean by "board specific files", but, for managing files
there is nothing better than FC/2 or OS2Commander.  Look for:

FC2_201.ZIP    File Commander/2 for OS/2.  Norton Commander Clone. (258K)
OS2C-124.ZIP   OS/2 Commander Norton Clone by Woldgang Sarp (448K)

There may be a newer version of FC/2, I use OS2C myself.

 LP> And if the archiver doesn't have to be in the path statement 
 LP> would even be better.

It doesn't, but why would you not have your archivers in your path?

 LP>   Have tried a lot of them, but nothing quite makes it.  Or the
 LP> program is almost perfect but too old to support the newer
 LP> archivers. 

Both file managers support all the archivers used today, and also long
filenames.

 LP> Also, what DOS & WIN programs that did not work with OS/2. 

Personally, I never found one that didn't, but I guess their are some. 
Obviously, those low level utilities like DOS disk defraggers or file undelete 
things don't work with OS/2.  They still work of course, but not on an OS/2
disk.  Norton disk utilities still work under OS/2 if you are working on a
floppy disk, for example.

 LP> And what OS/2 programs would be version specific.  Example,
 LP> ones that work with Dos 3.3 but won't with 5, etc.

I've never found one, but, if you would find one, there are settings in the
DOS settings that address that.  I never needed to use them, so I doubt you
would either, everything seems to run here over the past 9 years.  If you run
into an app that won't run, first, look in the C:\OS2\INSTALL\DATABASE.TXT
file and see if the settings for the app are listed.  If not, post the app and 
your settings here, somebody probably has it running and will give advice.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        24-Oct-99 10:10:06
  To: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

following up a message from Jean-Michel Dossogne to Holger Granholm:

 JD> Hello Holger.

 HG> Yes Warp is very good but OTOH Win3.11 is the most stable Windows GUI
 HG> that I have ever used after I increased environment space to 768.

I assume you are speaking of WINDOWS under OS/2, because WIN3x is the only GUI 
OS I know of that is more unstable, and screwed up than WIN95.  

 HG> Like a german magazine put it; Windows 3.11 seems more and more like
 HG> the VolksWagen among operating systems. It just runs and runs and
 HG> runs......

WIN95 is useable, WIN3x is a blight, an accident waiting to happen.  Whatever
German mag said this has been smoking some BAD WEED!

 JD> that's probably why his owner wants to kill it.... if it's
 JD> too stable, they don't like :)

The owner kills everything, right from the start. MS has not yet succeded in
creating a good, stable, flexable, configurable, robust, worthwile OS.  

 HG> However, that operating system statement is wrong, it's only a 
 HG> GUI on top of DOS.
 JD> as long as it is a good pc-dos :)

That can't be, there is no, and never was, a "good" PC-dos.  MS OS's sometimes 
work, and you can actually do some stuff with them, but thats about it.  Like
a man on his death bed, with massive heart desease, cancer ridden body, kidney 
failure, yet still breathing... he is alive, but not by much.  Ask the guy a
question, you might get a good answer, you might get jibberish.  MS OS's are
very similer, they are alive, but only using broad definitions of alive.

 HG> But I won't touch Win9x even with pliers.

Some of us have to, the world is polluted with MS junkware.  But WIN95 at
least is better than WIN3x, like the guy on his death bed above, without the
kidney failure... He can still piss on you when you aint looking though.

 JD> I do. But I'm inconscious & love The Great Adventure.

Some people like going to war, some people hate it, but do it because they
have no choice.  

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        24-Oct-99 10:30:02
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: CAD

following up a message from Rich Wonneberger to Andy Roberts:

> Let me know if BlueCAD works without any other drivers please.

Andy, you mentioned before that most BlueCads around are Demo's, not the full
shareware versions.  How do I decern which is which?  I have BC1ENG1,2,3.ZIP
dated 8/9/98 here, but never looked at it.  I'd like to have the full
shareware version.  If you know where to get it, let me know, or, if not,
could you Email me a copy?

                                              Jack 
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 11:45:23
  To: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Holger!

20 Oct 99 18:40, Holger Granholm wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 RW>>> What is the .5??
 HG>> It could be v4.0 GA with FP5 applied. <BG>
 CV>>    Nope, it's a LS for e-Business. Aurora project.
 HG> Cyrill, you didn't happen to note the "<BG>" on the end?
    Yeap, but what is <BG>? So, I don't understand :|

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 11:46:24
  To: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Newbie

Hello Holger!

20 Oct 99 18:40, Holger Granholm wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 JC>> PQBoot?
 CV>>    Piece of shit... Too buggy...
 HG> OK Cyrill, if you haven't learned to use the program you may call it
 HG> that. I have not found any bugs in v3.02 - 3.04. It works as
 HG> advertised.
    In my case PQBOOT fails on combination of old BIOS (limited by number of
cylinders, limit was 8192) and Fuji HDD with ~11000 cyls. IBM BM works well.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 11:49:24
  To: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Hello Jean-Michel!

21 Oct 99 09:16, Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>>  + Origin: I feel like Popeye!  (2:5053/7.1)
 JD> smoked? :)
    Thougher ;) After Spinach. This is a phrase from NetHack game.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 11:50:28
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: More Questions

Hello Linda!

21 Oct 99 16:59, Linda Proulx wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 LP>> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?
 CV>>     No. Only some earlier win32 apps such a PhotoShop 3.0. OS2
 CV>> API and Win32 API uses incompatible methods of memory allocation.
 LP> Would one load the win32 for 3.1/3.11?
    IBM says WinOS2 support up to WIN32 1.25 (in Warp 4). Some versions of
WIN32 as separate product can be installed too.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... Walk through doors, don't crawl through Windows.
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 11:54:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: What Need ?

Hello Linda!

21 Oct 99 17:43, Linda Proulx wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 LP>> I believe that there are files in OS/2 Warp 3 (or 4) that are
 LP>> needed as in the Win dlls or Vbruns that don't come with the
 LP>> original.
 CV>>     Don't understand... :( Be more simply
 LP> Application needs that don't come with the programs or Warp.
    OK. You can use vbrun???.dll

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 14:16:24
  To: Dan Egli                                          25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Registration

Hello Dan!

21 Oct 99 23:34, Dan Egli wrote to All:
 DE> Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm unwilling to
 DE> wait for a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get one) and since I've
 DE> already registered Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is a method
 DE> for disabling the stupid registration reminder that pops up
 DE> periodically.
    1) Enter 1 or 0 as number.
    2) Use any ini editor. Locate for application PM_Workplace:ART and change
key ENABLED to DISABLED
    3) Erase \OS2\ART\* and reboot
    4) Open (in PM Shell) \OS2\INSTALL\Installed Features and use object
Feature Install Base - Inventory (This is official way IMHO)

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 14:25:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: More Questions ;-)

Hello Linda!

22 Oct 99 14:30, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> If I install the red flavour of Warp 3 and get a copy of blue flavour
 LP> later, would there be a problem installing over the red, or do I have
 LP> to uninstall the red ?
    I think you can install new version over. But you can get troubles with
installed fixpack. Because after FP your system ????(shall, will #$#$ing
english
grammar)... Shit... So, your syslevels (and system version) becames newer with
each FP...
 LP> Also looking for a suggestion for an OS/2 (or DOS, Win) file list
 LP> maker and utilities that extracts diz/readmes, etc from all archive
 LP> types & subdirectories & that also does not depend on board specific
 LP> files.
    Gimme e-mail, and I send to you IMHO better filelister. Wit all requested
features and HTML generation. DOS/DOS-DPMI/OS/2 versions.
 LP> And if the archiver doesn't have to be in the path statement
 LP> would even be better.
    OK
 LP> Have tried a lot of them, but nothing quite makes it.  Or the
 LP> program is almost perfect but too old to support the
 LP> newer archivers.
    Ahem...

 8< === Begin OS/2 Clipboard === >8
 LFB - filelist builder v.2.4 
   Lets make your own filelists.
Support longnames, can export areas to
other format, search for new areas,
support T-Mail logfiles for updating
 DLCounters, duplicate file finder.
Free archivers defining. Automatic
  CRK/XCK/CXK,MP3/MOD/STM/S3M/XM,
BMP/GIF/JPG description/size extractor.
       ** HTML generator! **
          DOS/OS2 version.
 8< === End OS/2 Clipboard === >8

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 14:36:05
  To: Gary Crain                                        25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: PPP

Hello Gary!

23 Oct 99 21:23, Gary Crain wrote to All:
 GC>    I set up a new Warp 4 machine to run the BBS on.  After upgrading
 GC> it to Fixpack 10 and testing a few things I'm encountering this error
 GC> message when attempting to connect to the Internet;
 GC> Sorry - ppp is not supported by this stack version
 GC>   What do I need to upgrade to make this work.
    Better way is upgrading MPTS. Catch updated PPP and SLIP. I send them to
your e-mail
 GC> gcrain@infomail.com

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Bat Lang                                          25-Oct-99 02:18:08
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: WGET153

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Bat Lang, [23 Oct 99  20:01:06] <=-

 LE> Alas, "HOME" is not something like "Path". It has no meaning to the
 LE> OS. The *program* that wants it set is probably using it to store the
 LE> location of its "home" directory. The *program* doesn't expect it to
 LE> be shared.

 LE> But you can set up BAT or CMD files to run the programs. And use this
 LE> sort of setup:

 LE> SET SAVE=%HOME   <<====<<<
 LE> SET HOME=xxxxxx
 LE> {stuff to actually start program goes here}
 LE> SET HOME=%SAVE   <<====<<<

Shouldn't those two marked <<====<<< be %HOME% and %SAVE% ??
Thanks, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          25-Oct-99 02:34:24
  To: Murray Lesser                                     25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Phoenix

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to Will Honea, [23 Oct 99  11:33:02] <=-

 ML> As a matter of curiosity:  The copy of PHOENIX2.EXE that I have is
 ML> v 1.33, which carries a file date of 10-31-1995.  Is a later version
 ML> available?

PHENX135.ZIP 93,700 97-01-30 File Phoenix/2, OS/2 file undelete HPFS/FAT

If you have an email address that will accept that as a file atch, lay
it on me, and it's yours.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   24-Oct-99 15:12:15
  To: Dan Egli                                          25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Registration

On Thursday October 21 1999 at 23:34, Dan Egli wrote to All:

 DE> Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm unwilling to
wait
 DE> for a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get one) and since I've already
 DE> registered Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is a method for
disabling
 DE> the stupid registration reminder that pops up periodically.

Use a process killer to terminate artchron.exe, then delete it from the boot
drive.

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 21:56:00
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: File Systems

Some senseless babbling from Murray Lesser to Andy Roberts
on 10-24-99  10:39 about File Systems...

 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-22-99, Andy Roberts to Mike Roark;
 ML> original topic: Warp 3 Install):

 ML> Hi Andy--
 
 AR>While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
 >can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.

 ML> If your whole partition will contain only a few long sequential
 ML> files, FAT is not only faster but has more capacity.  I back up to
 ML> Iomega Zip diskettes using the OS/2 BACKUP and RESTORE utilities.  It
 ML> would make no sense whatsoever to format those diskettes HPFS.
[snip]

 ML> But I would never attempt to format any of my "removable media"
 ML> drives HPFS.  While it would be possible (in some cases), it most
 ML> certainly wouldn't serve any useful purpose.

Except, of course, if 8.3 filenames just don't cut it.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 21:57:00
  To: LEONARD ERICKSON                                  25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: HPFS info quest

Some senseless babbling from Leonard Erickson to Mike Ruskai
on 10-23-99  18:49 about HPFS info quest...

 -=> Quoting MIKE RUSKAI to MURRAY LESSER <=-
 
 MR> What I did instead was write a program to traverse the freespace
 MR> bitmaps on the drive "manually", and count up the free sectors that
 MR> way.  On every drive in my system, the result was that DosQueryFSInfo()
 MR> returned 4096 sectors too few in free space.  The reported free space
 MR> is firm, however, when attempting to write to the drive.  The write
 MR> fails at that value, not the value computed by tallying the freespace
 MR> bitmaps. 
 MR> So it would seem that there's a bug somewhere in the chain that eats
 MR> 2MB of space when using HPFS.  The number isn't related to drive
 MR> geometry, either. The one drive is addressed with 63 sectors per track,
 MR> and 64 tracks per cylinder (heads).  Another is 63 sectors per track,
 MR> but 16 tracks per cylinder.

 LE> Just a thought, but maybe this is a "safety measure" to allow for
 LE> programs that "wait too long" after checking free space and then try
 LE> to write to disk. On a multi-tasking system, it could get *really* ugly
 LE> if several programs each check, see that there's enough space, and then
 LE> try to write out their buffers.

Programs that check free space do so for the human user's utility (e.g.
which drive to install something on).

The write attempt itself is where the program learns whether or not there's
any space left, provided it checks the success of the operation (which all
competent programmers make sure of).

Even if the program doesn't check, nothing bad can happen.  The program
will inevitably end up using an OS facility to do the writing, which will
simply fail if there's no space available to write to.

The worst case is that the programs which don't check the success of their
write operations break.

 LE> The only other way around that sort of thing requires programs to
 LE> allocate extra sectors past the current end of file, enough to cover
 LE> potential future writes, and then release that space when they exit.
 LE> This is next to impossible to do with things like sequential files. 

It's not even difficult, actually.  HPFS has a facility for reserving more
space than needed, to accomodate future file expansion.  The reported size
of the file will be what it's actually using, while there will be extra
sectors marked as used that the file owns.

Regardless, you're painting a picture of disk operations that just isn't
accurate.  It's ultimately the file system driver which has the ability to
screw things up when a write is requested, with no space to write to.  An
application can't cause any problems, outside of its own malfunction,
should it fail to account for a write failure.

And of course, this doesn't have anything to do with the 4096 sectors in
question, which aren't reserved for any files, and can't be used for
storing data (when the drive is full, not counting those 4096 sectors, all
future write attempts fail).

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       24-Oct-99 22:08:00
  To: LEONARD ERICKSON                                  25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Newbie

Some senseless babbling from Leonard Erickson to Lawrence R. Mintz
on 10-23-99  18:21 about Newbie...

 -=> Quoting Lawrence R. Mintz to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-
 
 LRM> The limit on logical drives is simply the
 LRM> letters of the alphabet (for drive designations) left over after all
 LRM> the primary partitions have been assigned.  That is true for DOS, all
 LRM> flavors of Windows and OS/2. 

 LE> Actually, under at least some versions of DOS the limits are a bit
 LE> broader. We had a LAN that ran under DOS 2.x. And you could not only
 LE> have drives A-Z, but also @:, [:, and ]: I'm not sure if it allowed
 LE> \:, ^: or _:.

Type "]:" at an OS/2 CMD prompt.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 08:50:18
  To: All                                               25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 All ,

I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32 partition
created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a type "F" partition.

I have a friend who just can't believe that his previous M$ installations left
a partition that consumes almost his whole HD and apparently can not be
deleted permanently with other conventional software like OS/2 FDISK.  He has
an AMD K5/2-350 with 96MB PC-100 RAM and Seagate ST34342A (4.3GB), ST32122A
(2.5GB) and another 10.3GB HD all with the same problem, even when installed 1
at a time.

BTW, as far as the 10.3 GB HD is concerned, he did say he got the >8GB drivers
and made an updated set of OS/2 install diskettes for that.  But since the
same problem happens on the <4.3GB HDs, I don't think the HD driver is the
problem anyway.

He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then running Seagate's
Low Level Format.  In the process he has tried to delete that FAT32 partition
with Linux, DOS 6.2, and Partition Magic.  After all that OS/2 FDISK still
shows the type "b" partition, and will not allow him to use create a Boot
Manager nor create any partition, because the only free space he has (if any)
is at the very end of the HD.  When he deletes the partition all options
become greyed-out.  Then he reboots with the install floppies and goes back
into FDISK again, the type "b" partition is back again.  In typical M$ user
fashion he repeats those last steps 1/2 a dozen times until he become
frustrated and blames OS/2, then re-installs Win98.  Personally I'm getting
very tired of hearing him complain about OS/2 not installing and how
wonderful the M$ installation is.

In searching back through previous msgs I found 1 that suggested deleting the
partition table, and another msg that said they used Norton's diskedit prgm
under PCDOS7 to correct the entry in cyl 0, side 0, sector 1, and another msg
that suggested using Partition Magic to reduce the size and move the FAT32
partition.  I've never had to delete a partition table before, so would
appreciate a detailed explanation of how to do that.  I can probably dig up
Norton's diskedit prgm, but haven't used it.  And I assume Partition Magic
might be able to reduce the size and move the FAT32 to the end of the HD, even
tho it failed to be able to delete it.

Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level Format prgm for IDE
drives did not solve the problem.  OTOH I'm not doing the work, and my friend
is not near by, and he may be re-installing Win98 every time before he tries
to install OS/2, thus re-creating the problem all over again.  This situation
has been going on for several years, but he did tell me he went through the
Low Level Format this last week end.

At this point I'll do almost anything to solve this problem and stop this
annoying repetitive complaining about OS/2 installation not flushing the M$
toilet.

I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward to him to do.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 11:52:10
  To: All                                               25-Oct-99 17:43:04
Subj: Swap Question

Greetings,

Am wondering if I can make a logical partition just for the swap file(s)
& point the swap setup to it.

And if I can, what size of partiton should I make for it & other program
swap files?

Soon,

Linda

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   25-Oct-99 14:27:17
  To: Peter Knapper                                     25-Oct-99 20:09:13
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 PK> A good way to understand EA's better is to look at a REXX .CMD 
 PK> file on an HPFS drive. Here is one such file on an HPFS drive -

 PK>  9/01/99   9:43       1204        4298  psend.cmd

 PK> In this case the PSEND.CMD file is 1204 bytes long, and the 
 PK> EA's for it occupy  4298 bytes. When this file is run, REXX 
 PK> checks to see if the main file (PSEND.CMD) has been updated 
 PK> since the EA's for it were created, and if so it automatically 
 PK> "re-compiles" the REXX script into the EA's, and then runs the 
 PK> EA's. Subsequent runs of the .CMD file are fast because it has 
 PK> already been "compiled".  As soon as the file date is later 
 PK> than the EA date, REXX "re-compiles" it again automatically. 

 PK> Again, the EA's for REXX files are non fatal, they will be 
 PK> automatically re-built once the file is run under OS/2, but 
 PK> they are a useful example of the relationships between files 
 PK> and EA's. They are a close cousin to the Macintosh concept of a 
 PK> Data FORK and Resource FORK for a file.

Now this is some interesting stuff...

I wasn't aware of this about REXX,  and WRT EAs in general,  I don't do all
that much with them,  and am not sure what they're good for,  for the most
part. 

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   25-Oct-99 15:27:23
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 20:09:13
Subj: More Questions ;-)

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 CV>     Gimme e-mail, and I send to you IMHO better filelister. Wit 
 CV> all requested features and HTML generation. DOS/DOS-DPMI/OS/2 
 CV> versions.  

How about incoming%tanstaaf@frackit.com?  :-)

 CV>     Ahem...

 CV>  8< === Begin OS/2 Clipboard === >8
 CV>  LFB - filelist builder v.2.4 
 CV>    Lets make your own filelists.
 CV> Support longnames, can export areas to
 CV> other format, search for new areas,
 CV> support T-Mail logfiles for updating
 CV>   DLCounters, duplicate file finder.

I need another DLCounter program,  I think the one I'm using now is what's
truncating descriptions in my files.bbs files.  :-(

 CV> Free archivers defining. Automatic
 CV>   CRK/XCK/CXK,MP3/MOD/STM/S3M/XM,
 CV> BMP/GIF/JPG description/size extractor.
 CV>        ** HTML generator! **
 CV>           DOS/OS2 version.
 CV>  8< === End OS/2 Clipboard === >8

Wouldn't mind that html stuff,  either,  so I can build a list for the Linux
box...   <g>

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   25-Oct-99 15:25:10
  To: Bat Lang                                          25-Oct-99 20:09:13
Subj: Phoenix

Bat Lang wrote in a message to Murray Lesser:

 BL> PHENX135.ZIP 93,700 97-01-30 File Phoenix/2, OS/2 file
 BL> undelete HPFS/FAT 

 BL> If you have an email address that will accept that as a file
 BL> atch, lay it on me, and it's yours.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

How about incoming%tanstaaf@frackit.com?  :-)

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From: James Byrnes                                      25-Oct-99 18:49:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 18:49:00
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

On 10-24-1999, Holger Granholm wrote to Andy Roberts about "An
Inquiring Mind:"

Hi Holger,

HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address.
HG> If I knew, I could DL it myself.
HG> 

telnet = os2bbs.com
www = http://www.os2bbs.com

HG> I always like to print out and RTFM ;-)
HG> 
So do I.  I always try to read the entire manual for any new software
I get.  I don't always remember the exact details of all I read but at
least I usually remember a mention of something if I have a problem
with it.

Regards,  Jim

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From: Darren Hamilton                                   25-Oct-99 17:50:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: New DATE and TIME comman

On 10-21-1999, Bob Wright wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard about New
DATE and TIME command.

BW>  JdBP> So I don't understand.  What are you trying to say 
BW> by simply cutting and
BW>  JdBP> pasting text that shows IBM's 16-bit CMD behaving in exactly the
way
BW>  JdBP> that I said that it behaves ?
BW> 
BW> Except that that wasn't specified, and I'm not a mind 
BW> reader.  If you go back and re-read Darren's message he 
BW> explicity refers to Warp 3.0, fp 40 and **32** bit CMD.EXE.
BW> 
BW> Since I'm running Connect with FP40, it seems reasonable to 
BW> suppose that cmd.exe had been updated to 32-bit.


Hello Bob;

Here is the method I determined (and assumed) that the CMD.EXE file is
32-bit:

Using my Filestar/2 file management utility program, I selected the
CMD.EXE file in the C:\OS2 directory.

I then pressed the "C:\" button on the Filestar/2 toolbar. (This
allows command line program execution).

This opened a dialog box to execute the file. There is a message on
the top of this box. It read: Executable file - (OS/2 windowable
32-bit)

Thus I assumed the CMD.EXE is an 32-bit OS/2 executable file.

If the file is a batch file, an old OS/2 16-bit executable, DOS or
Windows file, etc., the dialog box reports it as such.

Hope this clarifies things.


Regards,

Darren

Internet e-mail: darrenah@interchange.ubc.ca

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From: John Angelico                                     22-Oct-99 19:45:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: Questions...

On 20/10/1999, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Jan Deboer about Questions...:

CV>  JD> I mean, how could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let
CV>  JD> you move or rename files????????????!!!!!!!
CV>     You wrong. WPS can move and rename. But it's not so easy.
CV> 

Cyrill, I think this is not correct - WPS allows direct moving and
renaming of files ever since v2.0 and it has always been very simple.

Right click and drag to move from one drive object to another (there are
other ways too) and to rename Alt-Right click gives access to the files WPS
name (not always the same as its real name).

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au

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From: John Angelico                                     22-Oct-99 19:51:01
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: StarOffice

On 20/10/1999, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara said to All about StarOffice:

RB> 
RB> My problem is: HTML files are ALWAYS linked to SO on click at WPS.
RB> 
RB> I dont be fooled by tricks, I used Assoc Edit by Mr Kelder.

And what does AsoccEd show about the default association?
 
RB> Conclusion: I need to delete SO/2.
RB> This is only way, I see...
 
A drastic solution. Maybe if you could explain a little more about the
exact problem you might get a simpler solution here.
  
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au

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From: John Angelico                                     25-Oct-99 17:43:02
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

On 21/10/1999, Andy Roberts said to Linda Proulx about An Inquiring Mind:

AR> 
AR> Very few DOS prgms won't run.  Those that attempt to take direct
AR> control of the hardware, such as Check-It-Pro, a hardware diagostic
AR> tool.  OTOH that is not needed since there are native OS/2 tools for
AR> that purpose.
AR> 
AR> Many Win32S v.1.30+ prgms won't install automatically.  Most prgms
AR> that will run on Win95 but not run on Win3.1 will not run under
AR> Win-OS/2.  

For those using Warp 4, I have just found out that having the latest
available Win32S support (in my case, grabbed from a Borland C++
installation by my sons on our second machine) has seen a lot more Win NT
and Win 9x installation progs run AND successfully install 16bit code into
Win-OS2.

It would seem that a number of commercial developers using say VB,
automatically produce 16-bit code but use a standard (32-bit) installer
wizard. Said IW simply seems to check for level of Win32S, or existence of
32-bit DLLs but will happily carry on with a successful install. 

Still testing, but so far it looks good (isn't that the std reply,
though<g>?)

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au

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From: Mike Roark                                        24-Oct-99 20:39:05
  To: Murray Lesser                                     25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Murray!

Friday October 22 1999 22:03, Murray Lesser wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> That 47 byte file would take up a 32k cluster on a 1 gig fat
 >> partition. Notice it only takes 512 bytes of space. I just gained
 >> 31k of space for something else.

 ML>     I don't know what program you were using to produce your
 ML> "directory" display, but a one-byte file under HPFS takes up at least
 ML> 1 KB of disk space (one sector for the file itself and a minimum of
 ML> one sector for its Fnode).  There is only one sector used for the
 ML> Fnode, irrespective of the size of the file, unless the Extended
 ML> Attributes portion of the
 ML> Fnode takes up more room than is available in that sector.

I'm sure it does. As for what made the directory. It was a straight 'dir'
command using 4dos as the command processor. I just tried it with the OS/2
cmd.exe, and it says it uses 47 bytes. Nothing I have short of DFsee shows
anything about the fnode. But I do have a question. Isn't the fnode already
allocated in the HPFS section of the drive? I hope I'm clear about what I'm
asking. I mean the part that is allocated before any files are put on the
drive.


 ML>     The "big cluster" argument is a meaningless red-herring; HPFS
 ML> stands on its own merits without such nonsense.  You have to have a
 ML> very large number of small FAT files to have the "wasted cluster
 ML> space" exceed the "unavailable" disk space used by the HPFS file
 ML> system, itself.  Some day, when you haven't anything else to do,
 ML> format a partition HPFS and FAT, in turn, and use CHKDSK to see how
 ML> much more useful file space there is in the empty FAT partition than
 ML> there is in the same empty partition formatted HPFS.  (For example:
 ML> you get about 3 MB more on a "100 MB" Iomega Zip Diskette formatted
 ML> FAT than you do on one formatted HPFS.)

While this is true, I did recover almost 200 meg when I switched my file
storage drives that at the time were about 2 gig in size with lots of zip
files on them. I think it matters if there is a large number of any size files 
on a drive. I am talking about storing about 2000+ files on a drive.


 ML>     Incidentally, although HPFS is usually a better-performing file
 ML> system than FAT, there are some not-too-pathological data sets that
 ML> will perform better in a FAT partition than under HPFS--such as a
 ML> relatively few very-long sequential files.  It helps to understand
 ML> what your application set needs, when configuring your system :-).
 ML> For the record, I use an all-HPFS system (except for the CD_ROM
 ML> reader, floppies, and my Iomega Zip drive) on my two OS/2-only
 ML> systems.

I had so many problems when things were on fat partitions that I couldn't
stand it any more. like you I run all HPFS except of course the CD-rom. My zip 
drive finally bit the dust.. (an older scsi model known to die)..


 MR>> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to
 >> reliably recover deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups
 >> before doing anything destructive.

 ML> attempt before the system has written anything else to that space.  I
 ML> use the "UnDelete" utility from the GammaTech Utilities set, but there
 ML> are other utilities that will also do the job.  Usually when I
 ML> accidentally delete a file, I can get it back because I recognize my
 ML> stupidity before anything else is written to the partition.  But you
 ML> are right!  Backups are very necessary--no matter what file system you
 ML> may be using.

I haven't tried the GammaTech Utilities. I guess I should look and see what
I'm missing. And I think that my backup has a backup.. ;-)


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de

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From: Mike Roark                                        24-Oct-99 20:51:10
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Andy!

Friday October 22 1999 21:56, Andy Roberts wrote to Mike Roark:


 AR> If you have don't REM this line in Config.sys and Autoexce.bat
 AR> -+-
 AR> SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512;D:\DELETE,512;E:\DELETE,512;F:\DELETE,512;
 AR> -+-
 AR> then there is no difference between FAT and HPFS for recovering the
 AR> last 512K of deleted files, using what comes with Warp.

 AR> OTOH many users like me do have that REM (because normal operation is
 AR> faster) and still have no problem recovering deleted files from all
 AR> HPFS, using a 3rd party util such as Graham Utilities hpfs-ud.exe.

The performance hit is what I didn't like. At the time I was using the deldir, 
I was doing a lot of maintenance on the system. And the BBS was on the drive
so everytime I did maintenance on it the system slowed to a crawl.


 AR> While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
 AR> can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.

Isn't that the truth.. ;-)

 AR> Now if you had been (but weren't) talking about JFS of Aurora, then
 AR> that would have been different.  I'm still waiting to see what Chris
 AR> Graham or JdeBP come up with as far as utilities for Aurora.  But then
 AR> again, Aurora or WSeB is Server (only so far) so it's not a problem a
 AR> newbie should be concerned about.

Exactly.. It's priced way out of my range..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de

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From: Mike Roark                                        24-Oct-99 20:56:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: Newbie

Hello Linda!

Saturday October 23 1999 12:16, Linda Proulx wrote to Rich Wonneberger:

 RW>> floppies.  OS/2's fdisk

 LP> But before Os2 installs, & I use my programs, the small logical drive
 LP> will have a letter.  I could Partition Magic & then not install OS/2
 LP> for days.  How will I tell OS/2 that the small partition is to be used
 LP> at the BM drive?

No NO NO.. the small Boot Manager partition is a primary partition that DOS
knows absolutely nothing about. It won't assign it a drive letter at all.


 RW>> will install it.  It does not get a drive letter at this time, or
 RW>> at

 LP> Will the Fdisk just Fdisk the small partition?

Fdisk will create the Boot Manager partition. I guess it's a terminology
thing.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de

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From: Mike Roark                                        24-Oct-99 21:00:09
  To: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Hello Holger!

Friday October 22 1999 21:25, Holger Granholm wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> but doesn't OS/2 Fdisk ask for either the beginning or end of Free
 MR>> Space? It's been so long since I've done it that way I forgot..

 HG> That is correct Mike!

Thanks.. I thought for a while that the long term memory cells were starting
to go.. ;-)


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   25-Oct-99 17:29:04
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: HPFS info quest

MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to LEONARD ERICKSON:

 MR> Programs that check free space do so for the human user's 
 MR> utility (e.g. which drive to install something on).

Oh?  If we were talking about stuff that gave you a list of drives with the
available space on each,  I would agree with you,  but...

 MR> The write attempt itself is where the program learns whether or 
 MR> not there's any space left, provided it checks the success of 
 MR> the operation (which all competent programmers make sure of).

 MR> Even if the program doesn't check, nothing bad can happen. The 
 MR> program will inevitably end up using an OS facility to do the 
 MR> writing, which will simply fail if there's no space available 
 MR> to write to.

 MR> The worst case is that the programs which don't check the 
 MR> success of their write operations break.

Either locking up or sitting there spinning their wheels until they're "done". 
But no,  that's not the worst case.  The worst case is when a program "checks" 
the free space,  doing so erroneously,  and refuses to proceed further when
there's sure as hell enough room for the install to proceed,  only it's
brain-dead programming doesn't let it think there is.  Then you're stuck, 
until you resort to some measures outside of the program in question to "fool" 
it into thinking it has enough room.

 MR> ... Hello, I'd like an argument please.

There ya go...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   25-Oct-99 17:34:26
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to All:

 AR> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level 
 AR> Format prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.

So am I.

 AR> OTOH I'm not doing the work, and my friend is not near by, and 
 AR> he may be re-installing Win98 every time before he tries to 
 AR> install OS/2, thus re-creating the problem all over again.

Or otherwise not operating the program correctly.

 AR> This situation has been going on for several years, but he did 
 AR> tell me he went through the Low Level Format this last week end.

I've only ever had one set of problems with a partition table here,  and that
was because I made the mistake of letting an AHA-1520 do the translation
thing.  This caused some very odd behavior when I switched to the (current)
2842,  and only a low-level format seemed to fix the problem.

 AR> At this point I'll do almost anything to solve this problem and 
 AR> stop this annoying repetitive complaining about OS/2 
 AR> installation not flushing the M$ toilet.

Heh.  Interesting choice of phrase,  there.

 AR> I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward 
 AR> to him to do.

I will be looking forward to seeing other responses you get to this.  So far,
I haven't run into the problem myself,  but any software that puts _zeros_ in
that first sector of the disk,  without regard for partitions or filesystems
or anything else oughta do it.  I *think* I remember seeing somebody post a
debug script that would do the trick,  though I can't be sure.

I'd want to know from somebody with this complaint _in detail_ the steps they
were taking,  there's probably some assumption that's messing things up in the 
details,  somewhere.  You never can tell with these win-users.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   25-Oct-99 17:40:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 22:31:29
Subj: Swap Question

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> Am wondering if I can make a logical partition just for the 
 LP> swap file(s) & point the swap setup to it.

You can,  though I don't particularly see a whole lot of advantage to doing
so.  One plus would be that you don't have to worry about that swapfile ever
getting fragmented.  On the other hand you're adding a nontrivial seek to that 
"drive" each time the swapfile needs to be accessed,  and fragmentation isn't
much of a problem for HPFS drives anyhow.

 LP> And if I can, what size of partiton should I make for it & 
 LP> other program swap files?

I took this approach with my Linux setup,  gave it 128M of swap space,  but
it's seldom used,  even though I'm running a server on that box.  For OS/2, 
it's hard to say.  As someone else pointed out in a message I read earlier
today,  you can start it out small and it'll grow as needed,  and shrink more
slowly.  Over time you should get a pretty good idea of how much you're likely 
to need,  and then you can set the initial size to be close to that,  avoiding 
the overhead involved in growing it.

If you have more than one physical drive,  then the picture changes a little
bit.  The seek to inner tracks is less of a problem.  In that kind of a
situation I'd put it on the second drive.

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From: Will Honea                                        25-Oct-99 23:36:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 23:36:00
Subj: File Systems

Andy Roberts wrote to Murray Lesser on 10-24-1999

AR>  AR>> While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
AR>  AR>> can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.
AR> 
AR> Ok I was wrong about that.  Very small partitions (under 80MB),
AR> removable media such as floppies and ZIP drives, and a very few
AR> other considerations, which probably aren't worth the hassle in most
AR> cases, do favor FAT over HPFS.
AR> 
AR>  ML> If your whole partition will contain only a few long sequential
AR>  ML> files,
AR> 
AR> Provided those files don't exceed the DOS/FAT limited 8.3 file
AR> name. 

And both of you keep talking around the simplest, most effective use
of HPFS: the resistance to destructive fragmentation that HPFS enjoys,
assuming the disk is not filled beyond the 80-85% point. Since the
question originated with references to a BBS opration, that seems to
be even more significant which brings the discussion full circle:  the
best FS for a given application is the one that works best for that
application.

AR> Humm.. I keep thinking about subscribing to DevCon, but I'm
AR> stingy. <g> 

Maybe this will appeal to the Scrooge in you:  I just got a renewal
notice where they were offering a 20% discount.  You can probably talk
them into that discount if you call and work on them.  Of course, the
1-800 number now connects you to an order desk in Copenhagen so your
luck may depend on how well the operatore speaks English.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        25-Oct-99 23:43:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 23:43:01
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Andy Roberts wrote to All on 10-25-1999

AR> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level Format
AR> prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.  OTOH I'm not doing
AR> the work, and my friend is not near by, and he may be re-installing
AR> Win98 every time before he tries to install OS/2, thus re-creating
AR> the problem all over again.  This situation has been going on for
AR> several years, but he did tell me he went through the Low Level
AR> Format this last week end.

I'm a bit suprised, too.  That sucker cleared the last drive I tried
it on just fine - and I had the same problem with the partition table.

AR> At this point I'll do almost anything to solve this problem and
AR> stop this annoying repetitive complaining about OS/2 installation
AR> not flushing the M$ toilet.

The way I normally do it is to boot a DOS 6+ diskette, run fdisk, and
delete the 'non-dos partition'.  That has flushed more Win 98
installations for me than anything else.
 
AR> I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward to
AR> him to do. 

Watch over his shoulder.  Anyone having this much trouble is probably
not reading the Seagate prompts and hitting the wrong damn key!

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        26-Oct-99 01:06:00
  To: Mike Roark                                        26-Oct-99 01:06:00
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Mike Roark wrote to Holger Granholm on 10-24-1999

MR> MR>> but doesn't OS/2 Fdisk ask for either the beginning or end of Free
MR>  MR>> Space? It's been so long since I've done it that way I forgot..
MR> 
MR>  HG> That is correct Mike!
MR> 
MR> Thanks.. I thought for a while that the long term memory 
MR> cells were starting to go.. ;-) 

Create 4 partitions (not logical drives, just primary partitions) to
fill the drive.  Delete one of the interior ones so that free space is
in the middle of the drive.  It still allows you to create BootManager
at the beginning or the end of free space - which is now in the middle
of the drive.  After you create BM, re-scarmble you partitons and
logical drives however they fit - and BM works just fine from the
middle of the drive as long as it's within the first 1024 cylinders.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 13:38:11
  To: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp 4

-=> Holger Granholm wrote to Alan Hess <=-

 HG> First thing is that you do have the same settings in the OS/2
 HG> autoexec.bat that are required in the DOS autoexec.bat.

Can a batch file be made that starts the DOS program with the settings
needed and quits when the program quits?  Eg, the only time a driver is
used but don't want it to take envirionment space always.

Soon,

Linda


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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 13:40:06
  To: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: Re: Environment

-=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> SHELL=.............. add /E:768 /P /F

Thanks!

Soon,

Linda

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From: George White                                      24-Oct-99 09:36:04
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: Re: Newbie

Hi Linda,

On 21-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to Rich Wonneberger:

 RW>> BM does not get assigned a drive letter. The next partition (DOS
 RW>> in your case) will still be C:

 LP> True.  But before OS/2 installs it does.

No it doesn't! It only exists as free space on the hard drive, and
that doesn't get a letter assigned to it.
You're drawing the incorrect conclusions from the way MS have chosen
to make their Operationg Systems present things to you during install.
However, things don't actually work in the way that they appear to, eg
installing Win95 to a blank HD the standard install will automatically
make it a single partition without giving you any option to partition
things any other way.

George

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Oct-99 09:51:22
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: Reconfig

 LP> At the moment, I use Reconfig to boot different DOS configurations
 LP> because if I had a universal set up I would not be able to run hardly
 LP> anything.

A utility like RECONFIG, as described (assuing that the double negative was an 
error (-:), won't be necessary for OS/2.  This is for three reasons.

The first is that unlike DOS, OS/2 doesn't have to cram everything into 640KiB 
of conventional RAM.  The problem with DOS is that loading device drivers
affects the amount of memory available to applications.  OS/2 is a virtual
memory operating system that uses protected mode, and this problem simply
doesn't occur.  Yes, if one loads too much into kernel address space it will
consume a fair amount of physical RAM, but this will just mean that
applications will run more slowly because the operating system will have to
swap them to and from the swapfile more often.  On DOS, too little physical
memory can stop applications from even loading, because device drivers and
applications "see" the same address space.  This is not the case with virtual
memory operating systems like OS/2 Warp.  Applications cannot "see" device
drivers in memory.  Loading device drivers doesn't reduce the amount of
address space that is available to applications.

The second reason is that the amount of physical memory consumed by device
drivers is not the main thing to worry about anyway.  It's actually quite
difficult to get to the stage of "too much" loaded into physical RAM as
described in the preceding paragraph.  If one looks at most of the device
drivers in the \OS2\BOOT directory, most of them are only a few KiB in size
anyway, and their in-memory "footprints" aren't much larger than the file
sizes.  The *major* consumers of memory are *other applications*, and the
amount of *virtual* memory that they consume.  The Workplace Shell, for
example, has quite a high working set size (the amount of pages of its virtual 
memory image that it needs to be present in physical memory in order to keep
running at a reasonable speed without paging all of the time).  Back in the
days of machines with 4MeB of RAM, it was recommended to use something other
than Workplace Shell as one's shell, since with such a small amount of
physical RAM WPS, as it ran, would cause the system to page to and from the
swapfile at a furious rate.  It is worth noting, however, that generally one
*didn't* have to worry about device drivers, even on such machines.  In
comparison to the impact of large *applications* like Workplace Shell (or
Netscape, or SmartSuite, or StarOffice, or the Java VM, or ...), the impact of 
loading a large number of OS/2 device drivers on system peformance is quite
small.  About the only other thing that generally one needed to address on
such 4MeB machines was the cache sizes for the FAT and HPFS filesystem
drivers.  Even with 4MeB machines, therefore, one can pretty much load all
device drivers all of the time.

The third reason is that OS/2 already has a "multiboot" facility built in,
should that be necessary, which selects amongst alternate CONFIG.SYS files at
boot time if one presses [ALT-F1].  Indeed, as standard one is supplied with
several alternate boot configurations for performing system maintenance and
repair.  One can boot to a "Maintenance Desktop" with the display running in
VGA mode if the default Desktop is unusable.  One can make archives of one's
desktop at any point and boot to the last three archives made.  One can boot
to text mode where no graphics drivers are loaded if one has misconfigured
one's graphics drivers.  The on-line documentation describes in detail how one 
can extend the multiboot menu with more configurations if one needs them.  But 
remember that, as per the first and second reasons, one generally *doesn't*
have to do this.  The notion of playing musical CONFIG.SYS files and rebooting 
is something that you'll have to largely "unlearn" when moving from DOS to
OS/2.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Oct-99 10:19:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 HG> Until Walnut Creek ceased to make the CD's BBS ready I subscribed to
 HG> Hobbes OS/2. Then I terminated the subscription but left a message
 HG> that I would be willing to continue if they again would release BBS
 HG> ready CD's. The reply was that they didn't intend to.

What I'd really like to see is someone release a CD-ROM (set) of the Hobbes
FTP site as it is *now*.  Walnut Creek is several years out of date and is
missing a huge chunk of files.

A LEO CD-ROM wouldn't go amiss, either, since there are OS/2 files on LEO that 
aren't on Hobbes.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Oct-99 10:32:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: What [do I] Need ?

 LP> I believe that there are files in OS/2 Warp 3 (or 4) that are needed
 LP> as in the Win dlls or Vbruns that don't come with the original.

About the only files that fall into this category are the EMX runtime DLLs. 
As Peter Knapper says, most OS/2 applications are distributed with all of the
DLLs necessary to run them as part of the bundle.

Applications compiled with EMX C/C++ are the exception.  Generally,
applications that use the EMX runtime DLLs are distributed without those DLLs, 
and the READMEs for the applications point one to EMXRT.ZIP on one's favourite 
files BBS or files site.

The parallel between EMX C++ and Visual BASIC is pretty much exact.  The
reasoning that EMX C++ developers give for not including the EMX runtime DLLs
in all packages that require them is the same as the reasoning that Visual
BASIC developers give for not including the VBRUN DLLs in all packages that
require them.  Indeed, the two sets of DLLs fulfil largely the same function.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Oct-99 10:35:04
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: window managers

 SH>> OS/2 starts something along the lines of X11,
 SH>> and the WPS is simply the window manager.

 ET> I thought PM (program manager) is the window manager?

Actually, OS/2 doesn't have window managers in the X Window System sense.

Just to clear up any confusion, here are some definitions:

   Presentation Manager

        A graphics library, linked to and thus shared by all PM applications.  
PM provides means for managing and drawing windows and controls on a graphics
display.  Contrary to popular misconception, Presentation Manager is not an
application in its own right.  PM is just a massive library for applications
to use.  Unlike some other operating systems, PM is an application-level
library, not a part of the operating system kernel.  (On Windows NT 4 and
later, the GDI is part of the operating system kernel.)  Strictly speaking, PM 
is not part of OS/2 itself, but is simply a handy suite of application DLLs,
shipped as part of the bundle, that happens to be used by a *lot* of
applications.  Text-mode OS/2 applications do not require Presentation Manager 
in order to run.  The one part of PM that involves the OS/2 kernel is the
low-level display driver, such as KMGAX64.SYS for Matrox display adapter
cards, that allows PM applications (indirect) access to the physical display
adapter hardware.  Everything else operates at application level outside of
the operating system kernel.

   Workplace Shell

        An application program, that uses PM for its user interface.  WPS is
the default "shell" program for OS/2 2.0 and later.  It presents itself on
screen as a collection of "objects", which can be physical files and
directories or abstract entities such as the system clock.  The default object 
to display, which is opened when WPS starts up and which cannot be closed, is
the "Desktop" folder object, which opens in icon view with its client area
occupying the entire screen (so that its title bar is hidden off the top of
the screen).  The executable file for Workplace Shell is \OS2\PMSHELL.EXE . 
The name is somewhat of a misnomer, since what it *really* means is "The shell 
program that we (IBM) wrote that uses Presentation Manager and graphics mode
rather than text mode as did the earliest shells for OS/2 version 1.0.". 
Someone obviously failed to mention to the Powers That Be that one can easily
write more than one shell that uses Presentation Manager, and indeed that
IBM/Microsoft already had written such a shell for OS/2 1.3.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Oct-99 10:38:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: Warp 3 install

 MR>> About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably recover
 MR>> deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups before doing
 MR>> anything destructive.

 LP> OH!  No one said anything about that!  

That's generally because if left as installed by default, the DELDIR
environment variable is set, and the UNDELETE command that is supplied as
standard with OS/2 is perfectly capable of undeleting files.  The DELDIR
mechanism only saves the most recent few deleted files, purging earlier
deletes to make room for newer ones, but it is there and does work reliably.

 LP> No 3rd party undeletes?

Plenty.  File Pheonix is IBM Employee Written Software (meaning that it was
written by an IBM employee on IBM time, technically making it IBM's property,
but that IBM has allowed it to be published on a non-profit basis), which can
retrieve deleted data from HPFS volumes.  Both the GammaTech Utilities and the 
Graham Utilities also include undelete programs for HPFS.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         25-Oct-99 10:39:09
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: The art of ART

 DE>> Since you cann't register OS/2 by modem anymore, and I'm unwilling to
 DE>> wait for a smailmail responce (If I'd ever get one) and since I've
 DE>> already registered Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is a
 DE>> method for disabling the stupid registration reminder that pops up
 DE>> periodically.

 LP> What is this?????????

It's an annoying little feature added to very recent versions of OS/2 Warp
called ART, the Automated Registration Tool.  Essentially, it is a program
that pops up a window asking you to register OS/2 Warp, by SMTP e-mail, fax,
or post, and provides a simple on-screen dialogue in which various details
(name, address, version of OS/2, and so forth) can be entered.  After you have 
registered, it goes away for a year and them comes back asking for your
comments on OS/2.

It does nothing more than that.  Most people choose not to register OS/2,
since it is largely a pointless exercise.  (Registering OS/2 effectively
simply puts one onto an IBM marketing department mailing list as an OS/2
customer.  It doesn't affect the operation of OS/2 itself one whit.  OS/2 Warp 
isn't crippleware like some softwares are.)  The ART can be disabled by going
to the relevant Installation folder on the WPS Desktop and running the install 
utility therein to uninstall it.

  JdeBP 

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       25-Oct-99 12:13:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      26-Oct-99 11:19:04
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 10-24-99  22:38 about Confirmation Needed...

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
 LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
 LP> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the
 LP> OS/2 drive that OS/2 can read it.

So long as the format is FAT, then yes.  That will be the default format,
unless you jump through a few hoops to get HPFS working on the removable
drive.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Stewart Honsberger                                25-Oct-99 18:22:16
  To: Jack Stein                                        26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

22 Oct 99 18:27, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>> Running in text-only mode is NOT ACCEPTABLE. 

 JS> Perhaps for you, but that has little to do with your question, or 
 JS> statements regarding multitasking OS/2 in text mode.

I was responding to the messages telling me to use text mode only. I
responsed (and in hindsight, I suppose I didn't word the response quite
correctly) explaining that text mode was not acceptable because I
wouldn't be able to use most of my current applications.

If I wanted a text-only OS, I'd use DOS. I use OS/2 because of the WPS
interface.

Now, if nobody knows why FP12 broke the S3 Virge drivers, this thread is
over.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: John Thompson                                     25-Oct-99 11:43:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Emacs

In a message to Linda Proulx, Murray Lesser wrote re: Emacs

ML> Emacs existed long before Linux was ever dreamed of.  It is a
ML> very-capable text editor for Unix, written by (IIRC) a student at MIT in
ML> the 1970's.  [...]

According to the Jargon File, emacs was written by none other 
than Richard Stallman, of FSF fame.  It was written for the PDP 
ITS operating system while Stallman was at the MIT AI lab.

ML> I believe (but am not sure) that there are emacs "ports" to OS/2.

Yes, it is available from hobbes (of course).  The latest 
OS/2 version is 20.3.1.2 and was posted on hobbes in June 1999. 
There may also be a xemacs version for OS/2 if anybody is really 
interested.


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From: John Thompson                                     25-Oct-99 11:43:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Questions Again ,-)

In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Questions Again ,-)

LP> Will fixpaks fix Win Y2k?

For Warp v3, the fixpacks will fix the Blue-spine version's 
WIn-OS2.  They will ignore Windows installed on the red-spine 
system.  Warp v4 fixpacks AFAIK also fix Win-OS2.
 
LP> If using the blue flavour, what does one do about Windows add-ons?

Such as?

If the add-ons are also Windows programs they should continue to 
function as they did before you installed OS/2.  If they are DOS 
programs, be aware that DOS sessions launched from Windows
running under OS/2 will appear as OS/2-DOS VDM sessions, not as
DOS windows within your Win-OS2 session (ie, your screen will
swich from Windows back to the WPS shell to launch the DOS
session).  This can be disconcerting if you're not expecting it.

LP>  With the red box, they work as if running on DOS?

If they're DOS programs, yes, as above.  If they're Windows
programs, they should work just as they did before you installed
OS/2.

LP> With w32s, how does that work with blue & red?

Warp v3 can support Win32s v1.15 out of the box.  You can 
download an update that can support Win32s v1.25, which is the 
same as what Warp v4 supports.  In either case, you have to
download and install the Microsoft Win32s package to make it 
work.  IOW, OS/2 just comes with a driver that hooks into the 
Win32s system.  You have to download and install Microsoft's 
Win32s support to actually make use of this driver.
 
LP> Is there a program like Winspeaker for OS/2?

Not sure.  What does "Winspeaker" do?


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From: John Thompson                                     25-Oct-99 11:43:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Y2K

In a message to Bob Wright, Linda Proulx wrote re: Y2K

LP> I see.  How would the Red bonus pack work with the straight blue?
 
BW> that you have the corresponding Bonus Pak CD.  (Again, IIRC, basic blue
BW> and the manufacturing refresh of red all come on cd's.  It's only the
BW> original red that came on floppies.)
 
LP> Which I have.  Does that mean the Bonus can't be used with blue?

Red and blue have exactly the same Bonus Pack and it works fine 
for both.  I have two computers runing OS/2; one is running Warp 
v3 red, the other Warp Connect blue.  They both can use the Bonus
Pack fine and they both updated to fixpack 38 using the same 
fixpack files.


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  25-Oct-99 23:18:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Confirmation Needed

*** Quoting Linda Proulx to All dated 10-24-99 ***
> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the OS/2
> drive that OS/2 can read it.

Linda,

From the floppy to OS/2 is fine.
From OS/2 to DOS you have the DOS limits.  A file name outside of the 8.3
naming convention will not be seen in DOS.  DOS will not see longer then 8
character name and/or 3 character extension.  Spaces in the name, 2 or more
periods burp also.

If you use older DOS utilities s/a the DOS version of LIST, EDIT and such they 
will not see long file names in OS/2.  Its wiser to use OS/2 utilities for
this.

Its funny, your asking some of the questions I has several years ago.. :}

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 17:58:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Re: Newbie

In a message dated 10-24-99, Peter Knapper said to Linda Proulx:

PK>A DRIVE LETTER is simply a LABEL that the OS currently running
PK>assigns to a PARTITION, so that the USER can "point" to the
PK>partition. Try thinking about a non-DOS style OS such as Linux. ALL
PK>unix style OS's work fine without ANY understanding of drive letters
PK>at all. The partition that unix boots from is known as the ROOT
PK>partition (similar to a ROOT directory), and ALL other partitions
PK>that unix needs to access are MOUNTED directly off the ROOT
PK>partition and to the user look just like a directory on that ROOT
PK>partition, but the user specifies what the partitions are, and where
PK>they are found via the MOUNT command. No drive letters are used at
PK>all.

Hello Peter,

If Linda wasn't confused already, the above will certainly confuse her.

PK>  2. If you are talking about the partition that you are going to
PK>install OS/2 onto, then only an OS that is able to recognise the
PK>formating on that partition (FAT or HPFS), will actually ASSIGN a
PK>drive letter to it. All other OS's will treat it as if it did not
PK>exist!

Correct, if it wasn't formatted as FAT which is explained later in
your text.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 17:58:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Manual?

Hello Linda.

A question crossed my mind. Did you ever receive a paperback manual with
your copy of Warp 3?

The reason I haven't sold or given away my Warp 3 is that there came no
such manual with Warp 4 and I really like to RTFM before installing any
programs or operating systems.

True, there is sort of a manual with Warp 4 but you have to install the
operating system first before you will be able to read anything from it.

Regards,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   25-Oct-99 17:58:00
  To: Daniela Engert                                    26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Solitaire

In a message dated 10-22-99, Daniela Engert said to Linda Proulx:

Halloo Dani,

DE>Psst - don't tell anybody! The main reason why I joined the Odin
DE>development team was to get back Windows Solitaire. Now I *can* run
DE>the Win32 version of Solitaire from WinNT4 on OS/2 again without
DE>firing up the Win3.1 subsystem before...

Klondike Solitaire that comes with OS/2 is much better.
At least it doesn't cheat.

For that reason I never liked the Windows Solitaire.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 18:23:20
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Re: More Questions ;-)

-=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 CV>     Gimme e-mail, and I send to you IMHO better filelister. Wit all

linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca

Thanks.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 18:30:01
  To: Jack Stein                                        26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Re: More Questions ;-)

-=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> Also looking for a suggestion for an OS/2 (or DOS, Win) file
 LP> list maker and utilities that extracts diz/readmes, etc from
 LP> all archive types & subdirectories & that also does not
 LP> depend on board specific files.

 JS> I don't know what you mean by "board specific files", but, for managing
 JS> files there is nothing better than FC/2 or OS2Commander.  Look for:

Actually looking for a files.bbs type list maker more than a file
manager.  Some filelisters are PcBoard or Renegade specific as an
example.

 JS> It doesn't, but why would you not have your archivers in your path?

Some files.bbs file listers demand that the archivers be in the path
statement.

 JS> I've never found one, but, if you would find one, there are settings in

Meant OS/2 native programs.  Eg will 2.1 programs work with Warp 4?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 18:32:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Re: Phoenix

-=> Bat Lang wrote to Murray Lesser <=-


 BL> PHENX135.ZIP 93,700 97-01-30 File Phoenix/2, OS/2 file undelete
 BL> HPFS/FAT

 BL> If you have an email address that will accept that as a file atch, lay
 BL> it on me, and it's yours.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

Me, too?

Anon,

Linda
linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca

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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 18:35:21
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Re: What Need ?

-=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> Application needs that don't come with the programs or Warp.
 CV>     OK. You can use vbrun???.dll

Really.  For the Win programs I assume.

Linda


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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 18:37:07
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Re: More Questions

-=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 CV>     IBM says WinOS2 support up to WIN32 1.25 (in Warp 4). Some versions
 CV> of WIN32 as separate product can be installed too.

What about Warp 3? And which Win32 products?

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 18:40:12
  To: Ian Moote                                         26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Re: Confirmation Needed

-=> Ian Moote wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-

 IM> BTW, what's "an OS/2 32-bit formatted drive"?

I couldn't remember the Hsomething letters when I was writing the
message. :-)

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      25-Oct-99 22:45:19
  To: John Thompson                                     26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Re: Questions Again ,-)

-=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> Is there a program like Winspeaker for OS/2?

 JT> Not sure.  What does "Winspeaker" do?

An MS Win 3 program that makes programs think that there is a sound card
installed & those programs play their wavs/sounds accordingly, but thru
the computer speaker.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Lee Aroner                                        24-Oct-99 21:44:00
  To: Will Honea                                        26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Version 2.x DOS TS ??

WH> Lee Aroner wrote to All on 10-23-1999

LA> 
LA>    Anyone recall which sub-versions of 2 had the DOS  time slicing 
LA>    broken? Specifically, it was int 2f ax=1680 that was broken, I 
LA>    believe.

WH> I don't ever recall that problem with Warp 2.1 or 2.11, but some
  > fixpaks broke it that way for Warp 4.  Could have hit Warp 3 as well,
  > since that was about the time they started to converge a lot of things.


   I've pegged version 4 as non-compliant till FP 8 or beyond, but I 
   seem to recall Murray saying that 2.x? had problems as well...

                                       LRA


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From: Jack Stein                                        25-Oct-99 07:55:29
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Kenneth Abrams:

 SH>> Running in text-only mode is NOT ACCEPTABLE. I want to be able to use

 KA> It is, however, completely possible, despite statements by you 
 KA> indicating otherwise.

 SH> Oh go away. I never said anything of the sort. 

Stewart, someone must be intercepting your messages and re-writing them, you
seemed to be saying that OS/2 doesn't multitask in text mode, that you might
as well run DOS and other such nonsense.  Your posts have been quoted back to
you several times.  Did you recognize them as yours?

 SH> If you can't help, don't respond.

You never asked for help, other than to ask once how to multitask w/o PMShell
running.  Even then, you were making a statement in the form of a question,
not really asking...

You seem to have an attitude problem.  Telling people to go away that have
been participating in this conference probably a lot longer than you have been 
running OS/2 won't get you any points, in fact, you're about out of points as
far as I'm concerned.  

Pointless people generally become targets in FIDO... have you noticed?

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From: Jack Stein                                        25-Oct-99 08:23:15
  To: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: File Systems

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Andy Roberts:

AR>While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
  >can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.

 ML>     If your whole partition will contain only a few long
 ML> sequential files, FAT is not only faster but has more
 ML> capacity.  I back up to Iomega Zip diskettes using the OS/2
 ML> BACKUP and RESTORE utilities.  It would make no sense
 ML> whatsoever to format those diskettes HPFS. 

That may be the only instance that FAT might be better, only because of space
considerations.

 ML>     Choice of file system should depend on what one is going
 ML> to put into the partition, not on the "Team OS/2"
 ML> conventional wisdom.  I agree that for general use with
 ML> partitions that are much larger than 100 MB, HPFS has enough
 ML> advantages over FAT to be the preferred choice.  

I think it has advantages in smaller partitions than 100meg, and unless the
partition only has (as in your case) one, or a few large files, about the 
only disadvantage HPFS has is the intital space HPFS uses.  If I recall
correctly, HPFS generally takes about 7 megs of space for whatever it is
doing, I don't know what FAT uses, but to me, that would be the only issue.  

FAT uses only a single linked scheme pointing to the next cluster so it is
vulnerable to lost files, it is subject to fragmentation, it wastes space
using at least 2 clusters per file, doesn't have room for EA's, has a less
robust cache, and of course long file names.  I agree that using an IOMEGA zip 
disk for one big backup file might be smart to use FAT, but other than that,
and really small disks like a floppy, FAT is just not a good filesystem to
use.
Even in your case, using a zip disk for backup, HPFS has the better scheme as
far as ensuring recovery in case of failure due to loss of the super-block or
root directory.  Chkdisk has better recovery possibilities under HPFS than
under FAT, so it might be worth using even on a ZIP disk with a few large
files.

 ML> For partitions much smaller than 100 MB, FAT is usually the
 ML> preferred choice because it will provide both more capacity
 ML> and better performance.  

Wonder what about FAT will give better performance?  I think HPFS may not have 
a performance advantage speed wise on small disks with few files, but I don't
think it has any performance disadvantage, speed-wise either.  Intital space
seems to be the only advantage FAT has over HPFS.

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  25-Oct-99 19:51:03
  To: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: File Systems

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to Andy Roberts <=-

 ML> But I would never attempt to format any of my "removable media"
 ML> drives HPFS.  While it would be possible (in some cases), it most
 ML> certainly wouldn't serve any useful purpose.

Well, there *is* one reason for HPFS on removable media. Long
filenames. At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95 style
long file names. 

I'm sure someone is going to mention using ZIP or some other archiver.
Many of the files I'm putting on the ZIP disks are things I want
*direct* access to. Not access thru an archiver.


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From: Sean Dennis                                       25-Oct-99 17:34:26
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Hello Mike.

24 Oct 99 11:22, you wrote to ALAN HESS:

 MR> If they're crashing, the most likely remedy is to increase the memory
 MR> available to the session.  There's no simple way to figure out which
 MR> type of memory the game uses (unless it's in the documentation), so
 MR> increase DPMI, EMS, and XMS.  Also, on the chance that the game is a
 MR> DPMI client, change the DOS_DPMI_API value to ENABLED.

Something else that helped me tremendously is running a program called
"Slicer" by Tom Fotherby (dink).  It's only 5K in size, but it makes a WORLD
of difference when dealing with DOS programs.  I highly recommend it.  It's
free and if any of you want it, it's available via email freq from my system
(send a message to ah2@softhome.net with the subject of FREQ and in the body
FREQ SLICER10.ZIP).

It really whips some DOS programs into shape.  I really like it.

Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       25-Oct-99 17:40:12
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Table Partitions

Hello Rodrigo.

24 Oct 99 21:44, Roy J. Tellason wrote to you:

 RCB>> Others sysops with files for freqs, please send me it too.

Send an email message to ah2@softhome.net and in the subject, put FREQ and in
the message body, put FREQ ALLFILES.  If you need help, put FREQ HELP in the
message body too.

Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       25-Oct-99 16:11:04
  To: All                                               26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: Weird windows...

Hello All.

For some weird reason, when I open my VIO windows, they all come up
minimized... I have to maximize them to be able to see them completely.  I've
checked the properties of the 'main' window object in the Command Prompts
folder in OS/2 System and all looks well.  Any suggestions?

Later,
Sean

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   25-Oct-99 23:18:09
  To: Gary Crain                                        26-Oct-99 15:21:05
Subj: PPP

On Saturday October 23 1999 at 21:23, Gary Crain wrote to All:

 GC> I set up a new Warp 4 machine to run the BBS on.  After upgrading it
 GC> to Fixpack 10 and testing a few things I'm encountering this error
 GC> message when attempting to connect to the Internet;

 GC> Sorry - ppp is not supported by this stack version

 GC>   What do I need to upgrade to make this work.  TIA.

Reinstall networking support.


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From: Will Honea                                        26-Oct-99 12:30:01
  To: Sean Dennis                                       26-Oct-99 12:30:01
Subj: StarOffice

Sean Dennis wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara on 10-25-1999

SD> You may not be fooled by tricks, but you don't know OS/2 very
SD> well.  As David  said, simply right-click on the StarOffice icon and
SD> change  the associations. Not too difficult.  Also, when I  installed
SD> StarOffice, it asked me if I wanted to associate  HTML files with it
SD> and I chose no...
 
Not quite as simple as that, Sean.  SO registers a class, something
like STAROFFICEHTML, which will simply restore the association.  You
must de-register this class to get control of the association back.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 11:40:24
  To: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

 Holger Granholm,

24-Oct-99 08:33:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Andy Roberts
 HG> In a message dated 10-21-99, Andy Roberts said to Linda Proulx:
          Subject: An Inquiring Mind

 AR> From Pete Norloff's BBS:
 AR> CPRINT.ZIP    57K  6-25-94

 HG> Hi Andy. I'd appreciate if you could attach that file to:
 HG> holgra@alcom.aland.fi

Done

 HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address. If I
 HG> knew, I could DL it myself.

bbs.os2bbs.com or #204.194.180.10   You can get his files via Telnet.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 11:45:16
  To: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: Warp 3 install

 Holger Granholm,

24-Oct-99 17:11:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Andy Roberts
 HG> In a message dated 10-22-99, Andy Roberts said to Holger Granholm:
          Subject: Warp 3 install

 HG>> Make it two ;-). I'd be very interested in one also

 AR> Is that for Warp3 or Warp4?  I have FP12 and FP39 already.

 HG> Oh sorry, it slipped my mind that Linda was installing Warp 3 and
 HG> I'm running Warp 4.  I already have FP10 and at the moment am not
 HG> considering an upgrade from that.

I had to backout from FP10 to FP9 and just stayed there.  IIRC FP10 introduced
some directory archive problem.  FP11 supposedly fixed some problem with FP10.
And FP12 supposedly fixed some problems introduced with FP11.  I haven't heard
much bad about FP12 yet.  But then I haven't tried it either.

 AR>> Sheesh, it might be easier for me to order CD from the SUN and then send
 AR>> that to you along with the other CD of my stuff.  Have you asked SUN how
 AR>> much they would charge you for shipping?

 HG> Just did connect to sun.com.  The CD is 9.95 and the S/H is
 HG> $6.00-25.00.  I bet they would charge me the highest cost.

If it is only $6, then go that way.  $16 total is a good price.  Just don't
ask SUN for the very fastest overnight delivery, which is expensive.

I'm not into making CDs and selling them for a profit like a business.  I just
do this at home to help others who have a problem with the alternatives.
Besides I promised my wife I would make a little payback to help cover the
cost of my CDR hardware and media.

 HG> Actually I'm only interested in the OS/2 and Linux versions but I
 HG> thought it would maybe be a good idea having the Windows version(s).
 HG> Personally I'm not considering downgrading to any Win9x version.

My problem is that every time I D/L a whole set, they promptly upgrade and I'm
back to where I started.  I think that has happened 3 or 4 times already.
Anyway I'll probably go ahead and get those 3, just because they don't mess
with the registration anymore.

 AR>> Everything overseas goes out Air Mail AFAIK.  I can send you the CDs and
 AR>> you can pay me later.  I've only had 1 person who didn't pay.  So I
 AR>> might as well keep trusting everyone else.

 HG> Just checked. I've got USD 79.00 in greenbacks so there is no risk;-)

It won't be that much.  But if your bank can take the $ and send a check it
would be safer.  Doesn't make any difference to me.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 12:08:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

 Linda Proulx,

24-Oct-99 16:50:31, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
 LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: An Inquiring Mind

 AR>> DOS prgms are almost never a problem running under OS/2's DOS.  I
 AR>> was talking about the Windows prgms which are more often than not
 AR>> APITA.
 LP> ?^^^^^????

A Pain In The Ass

 AR>> I think you are worring about a non-existant problem before
 AR>> giving it a try.

 LP> Probably, but I like all my options open until everything comes
 LP> together <G>.

I think you will find it easier to at least install OS/2 and see what it is
like.  Then you can try all your DOS prgms.  And simple answers about Boot
Manager etc will all be obvious.  After that you will find a lot of little
details about OS/2 can not be answered before you get installed.  Expect at
least a month to figure out how to make it all work like you want.  In the
mean time you can still use Boot Manager to continue running your old OS.  As
far as getting the most out of OS/2 including at least basic REXX and finding
all the native OS/2 apps to replace the tasks you were doing under DOS, then
that will very likely take more than a month.  But in any case it is easier to
get OS/2 installed and deal with real concerns 1 at a time as they come up,
rather than attempt to foresee everything.  OS/2 is too complex to describe
all the details in advance.  You've already got enough info to get installed.

 AR>> That's why I offered to make the CD for you.

 LP> And I appreciate it.  The comment was made because many responders
 LP> assume that I had an Inet account.

That will be a common assumption by most OS/2 users.  After all OS/2 was
Internet ready before any other popular OS.  And IBM makes the FixPaks
available via Internet.  And most native OS/2 apps are more readily available
via Internet than they are any other way.  While there are alternatives to
using Internet to keep up to date, the hassles soon out weigh the advantages
of using and paying for an ISP account of your own.  Especially if you don't
have to pay extra for every local call to your ISP.  I love Fidonet and will
be here to the very end.  But Internet is far more economical for me.  And
Internet provides Mailing Lists similar to these echoes, as well as almost
instant E-mail with free File Attaches, and FTP, and IRC (Internet Relay Chat)
live, and a host of other options, that all help me to get the most out of
OS/2 easily.

About installing OS/2..
 AR>> Really.  And I suggest you attempt that ASAP.  Less worry that way.

 LP> I promise.  Once all comes together.......................
 LP> Sigh......

I don't doubt you.  But waiting for everything to "all come together" can take
many years.  In the mean time you will find new things come up and they could
cause you more delays.  By that time you will have forgotten a lot of what has
been said already.

I have a friend who has half heartedly been waiting for it to "all come
together" for at least 3 years after gathering info about OS/2 for at least 4
years before that.  He would have had it easy if he had just gone straight
from DOS with DeskView to OS/2.  But by the time he finally got around to
making his very first effort with OS/2, he got side tracked by M$.  Then M$
gained popularity and he started making up every excuse you could imagine why
he couldn't figure out OS/2 even after someone else installed OS/2 for him on
1 of his many machines.  Now he is faced with new problems caused by previous
M$ installations that make it hard for him to install OS/2.  And that is only
because M$ found a new way to make things harder for any M$ user to switch,
while this fellow was delaying for many years.  So in the end he is frustrated
and has problems that 99% of us don't have or can deal with very easily.

Several years ago I would have said almost anyone could learn to use OS/2 in a
few months maximum and then they would never look back at any other OS because
of all the advantages.  My friend proved me wrong.  And he's no fool, he was a
SysOp for a decade.  I just slowly watched him display the effects of being
infected with the broadest term of M$ virus.  Not just on his computer, but
mentally and in his attitude as well.

I don't want to see that situation happen to you.

I'm on the other extreme, so I don't expect you or anyone else to be like me
either.  I can hardly wait for each new version of OS/2.  I'm like a kid
before Christmas.  I've been an official beta tester of almost every version
of OS/2 in the last 6+ years, including Aurora.  And when IBM didn't send me
the new beta CDs as fast as I wanted, then I would get on the net and D/L
about 500MB just to see what it was like, only to receive the official CDs
from IBM a couple weeks later.  LOL.  When Warp4 came out with VoiceType and
some huge app suites that required more hardware power than what I had before,
then I saved every nickel and dime for months until I could upgrade my system.
When Aurora came out with a new File System type (JFS), I ordered a new HD so
that I could backup all of my 6GB of old software and string all my old HDs
together just to test Aurora.  For me some new software similar to a type I
have been using is an irresistible force.  Just the potential for it to do
something better than what I have had is enough to make me get excited.  Yet
like any good beta tester, I make backups, and when testing is over, if things
aren't up to my expectations, then I go back to using the previous version.

The lesson to be learned from all that is that with a reasonable amount of
precaution, you can try out some new OS like for you Warp3-Red, and do it all
in short order with very little time and expense for HW, and still continue to
use what you have had.  You don't have to wait until everyone else has
explained in detail every possible question to find out for yourself what
works.  You'll learn a whole lot more and faster from doing or at least
attempting to do, than you will from procrastinating.  And "if at first you
don't succeed, then try TRY again."

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 20:37:17
  To: Jack Stein                                        26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: CAD

 Jack Stein,

24-Oct-99 10:30:05, Jack Stein wrote to Andy Roberts
 JS> following up a message from Rich Wonneberger to Andy Roberts:
          Subject: CAD

 AR>> Let me know if BlueCAD works without any other drivers please.

Which reminds me I never did see Rich's follow up msgs about his plotter.

 JS> Andy, you mentioned before that most BlueCads around are Demo's,
 JS> not the full shareware versions.  How do I decern which is which?

Well 'most' may be Shareware instead of Demo, since someone found about 15
sites with the ShareWare.  I didn't search all the FTP sites, and I didn't
even look recently.  But once when I tried to get the ShareWare version from
BMT-Micro, which is a Reg-Site for BlueCAD, I wound up with a Demo version.
At the time I looked several other places and found several different Demo
versions.  Most indicated they were demo, before I D/L them.  None were really
functional for any productive work.  They did include the samples or examples,
which are in the ShareWare version.  IIRC they also had some engine to "tour"
the features, which is not in the ShareWare version.  In fact a "tour" is
basically all it was.  It was always in 1 file much smaller than the ShareWare
set of files.  Sorry I don't remember the Demo file name, since I deleted it.

 JS> I have BC1ENG1,2,3.ZIP dated 8/9/98 here, but never looked at it.

Those file names are the same as my ShareWare version, although the date is
more recent than what I have for v.1.008 and not as recent as what I have for
the v.1.010 upgrade.  You might have an intermediate version.

 JS> I'd like to have the full shareware version.  If you know where to
 JS> get it, let me know, or, if not, could you Email me a copy

I'll send you everything I have except those 3 files and the PJDemoe.zip.
That will include some extra features and the latest (AFAIK) upgrade to
v.1.010 (when added to what you already have.)  That comes to just under 2MB
archived of additional files.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  26-Oct-99 02:12:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Lee Aroner to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> Actually, under at least some versions of DOS the limits are a bit
 > broader. We had a LAN that ran under DOS 2.x. And you could not only
 > have drives A-Z, but also @:, [:, and ]: I'm not sure if it allowed \:,
 > ^: or _:.

 LA> T'was the NetWare redirector that enabled drive ID's beyond Z... 
 LA> so far as I know, no other NOS allowed that.

No, this was NESTAR, not Netware. The server ran UCSD p-System as the OS.


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From: Leonard Erickson                                  26-Oct-99 02:13:01
  To: Bat Lang                                          26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: WGET153

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> Alas, "HOME" is not something like "Path". It has no meaning to the
 LE> OS. The *program* that wants it set is probably using it to store the
 LE> location of its "home" directory. The *program* doesn't expect it to
 LE> be shared.
 
 LE> But you can set up BAT or CMD files to run the programs. And use this
 LE> sort of setup:
 
 LE> SET SAVE=%HOME   <<====<<<
 LE> SET HOME=xxxxxx
 LE> {stuff to actually start program goes here}
 LE> SET HOME=%SAVE   <<====<<<

 BL> Shouldn't those two marked <<====<<< be %HOME% and %SAVE% ??
 BL> Thanks, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

Depends on your shell program. But I think most accept the ommission of
the trailing % when the resulting construct is unambiguous.

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  26-Oct-99 09:22:16
  To: Roy J Tellason                                    26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: More Questions ;-)

Hello Roy!

25 Oct 99 15:27, Roy J Tellason wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>>     Gimme e-mail, and I send to you IMHO better filelister. Wit
 CV>> all requested features and HTML generation. DOS/DOS-DPMI/OS/2
 CV>> versions.
 RT> How about incoming%tanstaaf@frackit.com?  :-)
    Catch.
 RT> I need another DLCounter program,  I think the one I'm using now is
 RT> what's truncating descriptions in my files.bbs files.  :-(
    I'm an owner of FREQ only station. And don't like DLCounters.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... It's OS/2, Jim, but not OS/2 as we know it.
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  26-Oct-99 10:23:09
  To: John Angelico                                     26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: Questions...

Hello John!

22 Oct 99 19:45, John Angelico wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 JA> Cyrill, I think this is not correct - WPS allows direct moving and
 JA> renaming of files ever since v2.0 and it has always been very simple.
    Maybe. I prefer textmode file shells like File Commander.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... OS/2...Opens up Windows, shuts up Gates.
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  26-Oct-99 10:26:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Hello Linda!

24 Oct 99 22:38, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
 LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
 LP> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the
 LP> OS/2 drive that OS/2 can read it.
    Yes.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... I don't do Windows, but OS/2 does.
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  26-Oct-99 10:27:12
  To: Andy Roberts                                      26-Oct-99 15:38:21
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hello Andy!

25 Oct 99 08:50, Andy Roberts wrote to All:
 AR> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
 AR> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a type
 AR> "F" partition.
    I think a better way to manage any partition is FDISK from Caldera DR-DOS. 

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... Turn your 486 into a Gameboy: Type WIN at C:\>
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       25-Oct-99 18:52:00
  To: ANDY ROBERTS                                      26-Oct-99 18:40:19
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Some senseless babbling from Andy Roberts to All
on 10-25-99  08:50 about M$ "screw you" FAT32...

 AR> All ,

 AR> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
 AR> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a type
 AR> "F" partition. 
[snip]
 AR> At this point I'll do almost anything to solve this problem and stop
 AR> this annoying repetitive complaining about OS/2 installation not
 AR> flushing the M$ toilet.

 AR> I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward to him
 AR> to do. 

I haven't had any first-hand experience with a FAT32 partition, so I'm
speculating a bit, as to whether what I say will work or not.

The primary partition table is in the master boot record, which is the
first sector on the drive.  Since it's very unlikely that this FAT32
partition is a logical drive (given the nature of Windows and its users),
that's probably where the partition will be defined.

The partition table is 64 bytes, beginning with offset 446 (with 0 being
the first byte).  Those 64 bytes are four partition entries that are 16
bytes each.  The fifth byte of each entry is the partition type.  Changing
this byte to a value of 0x07 will make OS/2 think it's an HPFS partition
(though it'll be completely broken, of course, as an HPFS partition).  That
should make it comfortable enough to delete the entry.

If it doesn't, then you can zero out all 16 bytes to erase the partition
manually.

Needless to say, this requires a sector editor.  If you have any
programming experience, it can be accomplished with a couple DosDevIOCtl()
calls (one to read the sector, one to write the modified data back),
instead.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... Be careful what you ask for. You never know who's lurking.

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From: Ian Moote                                         26-Oct-99 12:40:00
  To: ROY J. TELLASON                                   26-Oct-99 18:40:19
Subj: Confirmation Needed

RT> I wasn't aware of this about REXX,  and WRT EAs in general,  I don't
RT> do all that much with them,  and am not sure what they're good for,
RT> for the most part.

Extended Attributes can store icon information (if you change a file's 
icon from the default), the position of the icon within the window, the 
long file name if different from the actual file name, etc. I use EA's 
extensively for file descriptions (although my collection of files pales 
in comparison to yours! [;) which certainly makes it easy to find 
archived drivers!!

Programmers can utilize EA's for their own purposes. For example, the 
first time you run a communications program you may have to tell it what 
Comx: port to use, the interrupt of the port, the port's protocol, 
default up- and download directories, etc. But, if the program takes all 
that information, stores it in EA's, and uses it next time the program 
is run, then those settings become "default" settings for the program 
without the program using a configuration file.

Note that the program has to be specifically written to read and write 
EA's to do this.

I used a program once called PMView, I think. Whenever you saved a 
picture file it re-wrote the picture's icon so that the icon looked like 
the picture (except a _lot_ smaller [:). If you had a directory of 
pictures then you had these little tiny thumnails that you could use to 
select the one you wanted to view.

Note that the Extended Attributes for the file would grow from next to 
nothing to several kilobytes when you did this! [:)

I kinda prefer OS/2's light tables, though. Easier to see.

Take care and TTYL.

---
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From: Ian Moote                                         26-Oct-99 12:40:00
  To: ANDY ROBERTS                                      26-Oct-99 18:40:19
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

AR> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
AR> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a
AR> type "F" partition.

I've got a utility here that I wrote for DOS which will blast the entire 
MBR off the drive. Send me your E-Mail address. Be vewy, vewy careful 
with it -- the Oops Factor is pretty big.


AR> I have a friend who just can't believe that his previous M$
AR> installations left a partition that consumes almost his whole HD and
AR> apparently can not be deleted permanently with other conventional
AR> software like OS/2 FDISK.

?? I can't believe it either, but I can't say that I'm particularly 
happy with OS/2 FDisk's performance. I recall having a couple of strange 
problems with it. Creating a primary partition that I couldn't mark as 
installable, IIRC.


AR> BTW, as far as the 10.3 GB HD is concerned, he did say he got the
AR> >8GB drivers and made an updated set of OS/2 install diskettes for

">8GB drivers"? For the Winodows you mean?


AR> He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then running
AR> Seagate's Low Level Format.

LLF should certainly have gotten rid of it. I haven't used the latest 
incarnation of SGATFMT*; does it have a "non-destructive format" option 
that was used?


AR> In the process he has tried to delete
AR> that FAT32 partition with Linux, DOS 6.2, and Partition Magic.

None of those worked!?


AR> In typical M$ user fashion he repeats those last steps 1/2 a dozen
AR> times until he become frustrated and blames OS/2, then re-installs
AR> Win98.

Sounds like he's in Micro$oft's target market.


AR>  Personally I'm getting very tired of hearing him complain
AR> about OS/2 not installing and how wonderful the M$ installation is.

And you're forcing him to use OS/2 because... You buy Tylenol by the 
case? Because you don't have enough ulcers? Because you like baby-
sitting people who are lost if they can't use a mouse? Once he _does_ 
get it installed, who do you think he's going to call whenever he has a 
problem with his OS/2 system? [:)

Incidentally, how the heck did you convince him to buy a copy? At 
CDN$250 (twice the price of Win9x) I've never been successful. I loaned 
a friend my Warp 3 but he bought and switched to Lose95 within a year. 
He can play _far_ more games with it, Mirabilis has a Lose9x version of 
ICQ, he can view/play DVD's, he has a _working_ webphone, he can video 
conference, he doesn't have to search every corner of the globe for 
drivers for the most mundane of printers and other equipment -- I wish I 
were as happy!

I silently laugh at him everytime he uses TASM, though. [;) Locks his 
system _solid_! [:) Of course, that's _TASM's_ fault though, right? 
[;)))


AR> In searching back through previous msgs I found 1 that suggested
AR> deleting the partition table, and another msg that said they used
AR> Norton's diskedit prgm under PCDOS7 to correct the entry in cyl 0,
AR> side 0, sector 1, and another msg that suggested using Partition
AR> Magic to reduce the size and move the FAT32 partition.

If you're in the unenviable position of having to delete the entire 
partition table and FDisk ain't doing the job, then you probably want to 
delete the contents of the entire MBR. This is what my utility does. A 
disk editor would certainly work, as well.


AR> I've never had to delete a partition table before, so would
AR>appreciate a detailed explanation of how to do that. I can probably
AR>dig up Norton's diskedit prgm, but haven't used it.

Start your disk editor and load up the very first sector on the drive. 
It is located, as you know, on cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1. The last 
two bytes in the sector should be the hexidecimal values "AA 55". The 
partition table begins at offset 01BEh within the sector. There are four 
entries in this table, each 16 (decimal) bytes long.

In all likelihood the byte at offset 01BEh will be an 80h followed by 
various non-zero values. From 01CEh to 01FDh will probably all be 00h.

In order to remove all partitions from the drive, simply zero all the 
values from 01BEh to 01FDh. Personally, I think you should get rid of 
that Windows MBR entirely by zeroing out everything from 0000h to 01FFh.


AR> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level Format
AR> prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.

As am I. I used it quite a bit in the past when I used to deal with used 
drives of all types, and it did manage to recover a number of Seagate 
drives that were otherwise useless.


AR> At this point I'll do almost anything to solve this problem and stop
AR> this annoying repetitive complaining about OS/2 installation not
AR> flushing the M$ toilet.

In my experience the best way to do that is to let him use his Windoof. 
You can't turn his computer into your computer and you can't force 
people to share your point of view. Not everybody can join Mensa! [:) We 
use OS/2 for our own various reasons, but some people are just made for 
Windoof. [;)


AR> I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward to
AR> him to do.

[:DDD You can tell him this for me! [:D Put my name on the bottom!

1. Visit the cheapest retail electronics superstore in your area and 
purchase the cheapest ATA drive that they have. If they don't know what 
an ATA drive is, ask for an IDE drive instead. The cheaper your 
equipment the better Windows will run!

2. Take the drive and the computer over to Andy's place and have him 
install the OS/2 for you. If Andy is unavailable, pick someone that 
knows what they are doing (although this will probably be someone that 
you don't trust).

3. Don't ask any questions. You simply wouldn't understand.

4. Pay him money. The more money the better. This is to compensate for 
all the Windows applications pirating that you have done in the past.

5. Go home and enjoy not being able to use any of the software that you 
want to use or play any of the games that you want to play. If you use 
the Internet don't hold any hope of enjoying the most interesting Java 
sites and get used to Netscrap locking your system so solid that you'll 
usually have to C-A-D, and sometimes have to hit reset. Watchcat doesn't 
help.

JMO. My E-Mail is fidoboy@techie.com. Send me your E-Mail address and 
I'll send you that utility. Take care and TTYL (hopefully [;).

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  26-Oct-99 03:56:04
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 18:40:19
Subj: Re: faxworks

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Eddy Thilleman <=-

 -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-
 
 ET> it does have the ability to import text, but not directly. Print or
 ET> type the text file to the LPT-port set up and used by the faxworks
 ET> driver (that's LPT3 on my system), print images to the same LPT-port.

 LP> How does that import text?

The FAX program has a "driver" for a printer port (usually LPT3) that
when installed, intercepts data sent to that port, and converts it to a
fax to be sent. You usually have to have the data formatted for a
specific type of printer (EPSON FX-85 is common) as that way the fax
program can read the *graphics* data that most GUI based word
processors send to the printer. 



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From: Lee Aroner                                        25-Oct-99 21:47:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 18:40:19
Subj: Phoenix

WH>At least 2 freebies, and one built in.  For partitions under 2 gig,
  >File Phoenix works well.  For about any size, DFSEE works just fine
  >even if the file recovery is a tad bit obscure.

ML>     As a matter of curiosity:  The copy of PHOENIX2.EXE that I have is v
  > 1.33, which carries a file date of 10-31-1995.  Is a later version
  > available?


   I have version 1.35 here, EXE is dated 1/30/97 96931 bytes.

   Give me an e-mail address if you want a copy...

                                            LRA


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From: Daniela Engert                                    24-Oct-99 18:09:11
  To: Peter Knapper                                     26-Oct-99 20:22:24
Subj: Re: Registration

Hi Peter!

Thus quoth Peter Knapper to Linda Proulx:
 DE>> I've already registered Warp 4 before, I am wondering if there is
 DE>> a method for disabling the stupid registration reminder that pops
 DE>> up periodically.

 PK> You should have seen a posting of a REXX script that will turn
 PK> ON/OFF the dancing Elephant.

The clean way to get rid of the 'dancing elephant' is to deinstall ArtChron:
open the drives object of your boot drive, proceed to "\OS2\Install\Installed
features", tag ARTCHRON, and hit the uninstall button.

bye, Dani

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From: Jan Danielsson                                    23-Oct-99 13:52:27
  To: Jan Deboer                                        26-Oct-99 20:22:25
Subj: Questions...

 JD> [...]
 JD> could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
 JD> or rename files????????????!!!!!!!

 JD> WPS (the shell) replaces the need for 'filmanagers'. Simply open
 JD> the Drives-folder, and open whichever drive you wish to access.

 JD> Too many levels to click through. Installed File Freedom. Much more
 JD> convenient. Thanks for the info.

   Then might I suggest you try to get Object Desktop? It shouldn't be too
expensive these days. To be more specific: The Object Navigator.

   You probably don't want to miss out on the perks WPS automatically adds to
the filemanagement.


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From: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 08:50:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          26-Oct-99 08:50:00
Subj: Phoenix

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-25-99, Bat Lang to Murray Lesser)

Hi Bat--

 ML> As a matter of curiosity:  The copy of PHOENIX2.EXE that I have is
 ML> v 1.33, which carries a file date of 10-31-1995.  Is a later version
 ML> available?

BL>PHENX135.ZIP 93,700 97-01-30 File Phoenix/2, OS/2 file undelete
  >HPFS/FAT

BL>If you have an email address that will accept that as a file atch,
  >lay it on me, and it's yours.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

    Thanks, but no thanks.  I am not interested in a minor modification
that only fixes a couple of obscure bugs.  I am still waiting from a
response from Will as to whether or not the later version will recover
EAs.  If it will, I will get it from this BBS.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 08:58:01
  To: Lee Aroner                                        26-Oct-99 08:58:01
Subj: Chkdll32

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-24-99, Lee Aroner to Murray Lesser,
original topic: Uninstall Programs)

ML>     BTW, there is a nifty little vintage-1994 utility named CHKDLL32.EXE
  > (I don't remember where I got it)...

LA>   It's part of CSet++ and the VisualAge tools. There is also now a 
  >   WIN version, dated August 99, size of 126k. The OS/2 version is 
  >   53.6k. FastFTP Search will lead one to multiple download 
  >   opportunities @ http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/?form=mediu

    I looked, and it is not on my CD-ROM of C SET++ for OS/2, v 2.01.
Besides, I already have it and don't need another copy :-).  And I don't
do Windows.

    But thanks, anyway,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 09:40:02
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       26-Oct-99 09:40:02
Subj: File Systems

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-24-99, Mike Ruskai to Murray Lesser)

Hi Mike--

 ML> But I would never attempt to format any of my "removable media"
 ML> drives HPFS.  While it would be possible (in some cases), it most
 ML> certainly wouldn't serve any useful purpose.

MR>Except, of course, if 8.3 filenames just don't cut it.

    Never a problem in my case.  I do my serious computer usage from the
command line, where long file names are a nuisance :-).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 12:36:03
  To: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 12:36:03
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-25-99, Bob Bainbridge to Holger
Granholm)

Hi Holger--

 HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address.
 HG> If I knew, I could DL it myself.

BB> www.os2bbs.com

    What Bob forgot to tell you is that Pete's Web page offers downloads
to subscribers (small annual fee) only.  If you have telnet (I use
vmodem), see the telnet address on the origin line, below.  I believe
that most files are available for free download to all "registered" (no
fee) users who come in by telnet or by direct dial-up.  (The US dial-up
telephone number is 703-242-4482, but I assume that you would not be
interested in using it.)

    Pete once told me that he doesn't believe in ftp.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 12:37:04
  To: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 12:37:04
Subj: Extended Attributes

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-25-99, Linda Proulx to Murray Lesser,
  original topic "Phoenix):

-=> Murray Lesser wrote to Will Honea <=-

 ML>     Does it recover the EAs?  v 1.33 doesn't.  GammaTech UnDelete does.

LP>What are EAs?

    OS/2 files may include additional information about the file usage
in "Extended Attributes" which are "attached" to the file itself and are
retrieved automatically with it.  For example: when you write a REXX
program and run it for the first time, the "tokenized" version of the
program is stored in the EA for that file, so it is not necessary to go
through the process again the next time you run that program.  One of
the dangers of using a DOS defrag program on an OS/2 FAT file partition
is that the EAs may be lost in the process.  If not lost, they are not
moved to where they should be for best performance, so that the
partition is still effectively fragmented after you finish the
operation.

    If I might make a suggestion:  You are never going to learn all you
should know by the process you are using: throwing out a question every
time you run across an OS/2 term you don't recognize.  I suggest that
either you get a good textbook about OS/2, or (better yet) install it,
run the tutorial, and try out some of the things you are worrying about.
If you are installing OS/2 on a system that already contains some other
operating system, make a good system backup of your present
configuration before you start.

    Of course, the correspondence you initiate does put some life back
into this old echo <VBG>.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 12:39:05
  To: Jack Stein                                        26-Oct-99 12:39:05
Subj: Registration

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-24-99, Jack Stein to Dan Egli)

HiJack--

JS>I never registered OS/2, didn't know you could?  It's not shareware?

    You never moved to Warp 4, either.  Software registration for OS/2
was introduced (AFAIK) with Warp 4.  The purpose of such registration
seems to be to put you on some IBM mailing lists that you otherwise
wouldn't be on :-(.  It is also the easiest way to kill the dancing
elephant (another Warp 4 innovation!).  The system asked me to register
my PL/I for OS/2 compiler v 2.0 when I installed it (so I did), but the
system didn't ask me to reregister the update to v 2.1 when I deleted v
2.0 and installed the new one.  So, perhaps IBM has dropped the idea.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     26-Oct-99 21:31:06
  To: Andy Roberts                                      26-Oct-99 21:31:06
Subj: File Systems


(Excerpts from a message dated 10-24-99, Andy Roberts to Murray Lesser)

Hi Andy--

AR>According to the online information "OS/2 Warp Command Reference",
  >"File Allocation Table (FAT): aging gracefully":
  >--- Excerpt ---
 > For small volumes (under 80MB), FAT might actually be faster than HPFS.
  >--- End Quote ---

AR>I think that also implies the inverse that for volumes larger than
  >80MB, FAT might actually be slower than HPFS.

    The following is from the Warp 3 IBM white paper, "Performance
Tuning OS/2 Warp (DevCon disc M1, Release 2 Vol 3, file
\WARPPERF\WARPPERF.ASC):

"FAT is best suited for disk partitions that are 80 MB or less in size
 or that have a limited number of files installed. Usually, 256 files is
 a good target, with up to 500 acceptable...

"HPFS does away with some of the concerns that are prevalent with FAT.
 Files are allocated based on a 512 byte granularity instead of a
 cluster size, therefore fragmentation is greatly reduced. Also HPFS is
 especially efficient when handling large partition sizes, > 100 MB, and
 large numbers of files, > 500.  One thing you should look out for is to
 not allocate more than 5000 files in a sub-directory or directory. When
 you exceed 5000 files, you will start to degrade performance."

     You will note that there is lots of wiggle room here :-).

 ML> but [FAT] has more capacity.

AR>I assume you are talking about added overhead for HPFS that is not
  >necessary for FAT on very small partitions, otherwise:

    Yes, I am talking about the "raw" capacity that is lost in an HPSF
formatted partition and contains no useful (to you) information.  As I
stated, if you format a "100MB" Iomega Zip diskette both ways, you will
find that CHKDSK reports about 3 MB more for the FAT version than for
the HPFS version.  Also, the FAT version "file-space overhead" includes
the space for the first sector of root directory; the HPFS version does
not.

AR>Humm.. I keep thinking about subscribing to DevCon, but I'm stingy.
<g>

    AFAIK, all DevCon-distributed documentation is available for free
(Guest) download.  Most certainly, WARPPERF.ASC is marked as available
to Guests in the most recent "Content List" I have.  You can register
for "guest membership" at www.developer.ibm.com/devcon.

AR>Removable media falls into a different class.  1.44MB floppies for
  >example are still limited to FAT, which never ceases to confound me. 

   Too much filespace overhead would be lost out of the 1.44 MB
available if formatted HPFS; there wouldn't be anything left for data
:-(.  Besides, 1.44 MB floppies are about the only medium that offers
"sneaker net" communication between almost all OS/2 and DOS systems.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Bob Bainbridge                                    27-Oct-99 12:34:13
  To: Murray Lesser                                     27-Oct-99 12:34:13
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

BB> www.os2bbs.com

 ML>     What Bob forgot to tell you is that Pete's Web page offers downloads
 ML> to subscribers (small annual fee) only.  If you have telnet (I use
 ML> vmodem), see the telnet address on the origin line, below.  I believe
 ML> that most files are available for free download to all "registered" (no
 ML> fee) users who come in by telnet or by direct dial-up.  (The US dial-up
 ML> telephone number is 703-242-4482, but I assume that you would not be

Pete allows unlimited downloading to subscribers but has always allowed
limited downloading to non-subscibers. I believe access was limited to 30
minutes and there was a byte count limit on downloads.

Bob Bainbridge <Team OS/2>
bob_bainbridge@prodigy.com bbainbridge@vnet.ibm.com

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From: Holger Quander                                    26-Oct-99 15:03:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Ave Linda!

Antwort auf eine Message von Linda Proulx an All:

 LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
 LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
 LP> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the
 LP> OS/2 drive that OS/2 can read it.

yes. here this works with: zip, jaz, ls120 , pd- and mo-drives...

Servus, Holger!

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From: Fred Springfield                                  26-Oct-99 03:26:26
  To: Murray Lesser                                     28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Computer History

Murray Lesser was saying to Leonard Erickson-

ML> Hi Leonard--
ML> 
ML>  DS> (Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter
data
ML>  DS> into computers)
ML> 
ML> LE>Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
ML>   >mainframe.
ML> 
ML> LE>And as far as card punching goes, how many of you know what a "drum
ML>   >card" for a keypunch does?
ML> 
ML>     You _are_ a latecomer!  When I started (on the predecessor to the
ML> IBM Card Programmed Electronic Calculator), our keypunch didn't
ML> have a "drum card" because it wasn't intended for volume data input.
ML>  In those days, "computers" were people and "calculators" were
ML> machines.  I don't remember when the nomenclature changed.

Hi Murray-

Does this predate the IBM 650?  I started my programming there with
Bell (after ATT Labs) code, the first available interpreter for that
machine, in 1958, right out of school.

There wasn't any OS/2 around then, that I can remember :-)

Fred Springfield
Plymouth, MN


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From: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 17:57:21
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: Confirmation Needed

-=> Rich Wonneberger wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RW> Its funny, your asking some of the questions I has several years ago..
 :}

I guess all newbies have the same concerns <G>

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 18:02:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: Manual?

-=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 HG> A question crossed my mind. Did you ever receive a paperback manual
 HG> with your copy of Warp 3?

Got everything that came with the program, including the manual.  And
disks never been opened!

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 19:34:12
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: faxworks

-=> Leonard Erickson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LE> program can read the *graphics* data that most GUI based word
 LE> processors send to the printer.

Wonderfully sneaky.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 19:36:27
  To: Lee Aroner                                        28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: Phoenix

-=> Lee Aroner wrote to Murray Lesser <=-

 LA>    I have version 1.35 here, EXE is dated 1/30/97 96931 bytes.

 LA>    Give me an e-mail address if you want a copy...

Me too?

Linda
linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca

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From: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 19:39:29
  To: Andy Roberts                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR>> was talking about the Windows prgms which are more often than not
 AR>> APITA.
 LP> ?^^^^^????

 AR> A Pain In The Ass

REALLY BIG GRIN!!!!!!

 AR> readily available via Internet than they are any other way.  While
 AR> there are alternatives to using Internet to keep up to date, the
 AR> hassles soon out weigh the advantages of using and paying for an ISP
 AR> account of your own.  Especially if you don't have to pay extra for

If it's financially feisable.



 AR> About installing OS/2..
 AR>> Really.  And I suggest you attempt that ASAP.  Less worry that way.

 LP> I promise.  Once all comes together.......................
 LP> Sigh......

 AR> I don't doubt you.  But waiting for everything to "all come together"
 AR> can take many years.  In the mean time you will find new things come up

Actually it's more like a few months at most.  I'm waiting for a few
drivers, and making certain that everything on my hard drive, hardware
info & backup system is ready to go.

 AR> and they could cause you more delays.  By that time you will have
 AR> forgotten a lot of what has been said already.

All saved !

 AR> And he's no fool, he was a SysOp for a decade.  I just slowly watched
 AR> him display the effects of being infected with the broadest term of M$
 AR> virus.  Not just on his computer, but mentally and in his attitude as
 AR> well.

 AR> I don't want to see that situation happen to you.

Believe me it won't.  If my system had been OS/2able when it first came
out I would have gone than.  It took this long to get a system that
would run it.  I just want to make certain that the major foundation is
solid.

My long term goal is to get a system to run Linux with VMware & run ALL
the OSes.  A few years down the road though.  Mucho hardware there.  And
wsnt Linux to be a little more user friendly.

But the OS/2 is coming together & I'm certain that by the new year I'll
be requesting the CD.

Soon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 19:41:04
  To: Andy Roberts                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Holger Granholm <=-

 AR> From Pete Norloff's BBS:
 AR> CPRINT.ZIP    57K  6-25-94

 HG> Hi Andy. I'd appreciate if you could attach that file to:
 HG> holgra@alcom.aland.fi

Could you attach to me also?

linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca

Anon,

Linda

Written later........

Could this be on the CD?  If yes, I can wait.

Soon

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From: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 20:14:00
  To: Bob Bainbridge                                    28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 10-25-99, Bob Bainbridge said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address.

BB> www.os2bbs.com

Thanks Bob.

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 20:14:00
  To: James Byrnes                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Hobbes.Txt

In a message dated 10-24-99, James Byrnes said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Jim,

JB>I think what Jonathan is saying is IF you were to use the FTP
JB>utility that came with Warp you would see more of the underlying
JB>conversation between hobbes and your machine setting up the session. 

But I'm only interested in making the connection. If it fails I could do
some debugging by using the log file. Haven't done so far.

JB>You can do the same by clicking on the LOG tab at the bottom of the
JB>FTPBrowse window.

I know.

JB>You didn't happen to turn on "autosave viewed text files" or "save
JB>log file" one time did you?

Oh Lord, no!

Regards,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   26-Oct-99 20:14:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

In a message dated 10-25-99, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> Cyrill, you didn't happen to note the "<BG>" on the end?
CV>    Yeap, but what is <BG>? So, I don't understand :|

<BG> = Big Grin = big smile

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: George Fliger                                     26-Oct-99 05:59:14
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: M$ "screw you" FAT32

On 25 Oct 99 05:34pm, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Andy Roberts:

 RJT> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to All:

 AR> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level
 AR> Format prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.

 RJT> So am I.

 AR> OTOH I'm not doing the work, and my friend is not near by, and
 AR> he may be re-installing Win98 every time before he tries to
 AR> install OS/2, thus re-creating the problem all over again.

 RJT> Or otherwise not operating the program correctly.

 AR> This situation has been going on for several years, but he did
 AR> tell me he went through the Low Level Format this last week end.

 RJT> I've only ever had one set of problems with a partition table
 RJT> here,  and that was because I made the mistake of letting an
 RJT> AHA-1520 do the translation thing.  This caused some very odd
 RJT> behavior when I switched to the (current) 2842,  and only a
 RJT> low-level format seemed to fix the problem.

 AR> At this point I'll do almost anything to solve this problem and
 AR> stop this annoying repetitive complaining about OS/2
 AR> installation not flushing the M$ toilet.

 RJT> Heh.  Interesting choice of phrase,  there.

 AR> I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward
 AR> to him to do.

 RJT> I will be looking forward to seeing other responses you get to
 RJT> this.  So far, I haven't run into the problem myself,  but any
 RJT> software that puts _zeros_ in that first sector of the disk,
 RJT> without regard for partitions or filesystems or anything else
 RJT> oughta do it.  I *think* I remember seeing somebody post a
 RJT> debug script that would do the trick,  though I can't be sure.

 RJT> I'd want to know from somebody with this complaint _in detail_
 RJT> the steps they were taking,  there's probably some assumption
 RJT> that's messing things up in the details,  somewhere.  You
 RJT> never can tell with these win-users.

I was the one who posted that debug script.

You can find the script on the web at:

        http://www.firmware.com/pb4ts/hdclear.htm

But, in case you have problems finding it, here it is again:

        C:\>DEBUG
        - f 200 L200 0
        - a 100
        xxxx:xxxx  mov ax,301  (ignore segment:offset values at left)
        xxxx:xxxx  mov bx,200
        xxxx:xxxx  mov cx,1
        xxxx:xxxx  mov dx,0080
        xxxx:xxxx  int 13
        xxxx:xxxx  int 3
        xxxx:xxxx               (press ENTER an extra time here)
        - g=100
                                (ignore register display)
        - q                     (quits back to DOS)

FDISK should now show "No partitions defined".

The above clears the partition sector (cyl 0, head 0, sector 1) of the
first hard drive which will force FDISK to completely start over.  Make
sure you disconnect any secondary drives before executing this script to
prevent any accidental data loss.

George


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From: John Thompson                                     26-Oct-99 15:52:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Phoenix

In a message to Will Honea, Murray Lesser wrote re: Phoenix

ML>     As a matter of curiosity:  The copy of PHOENIX2.EXE that I have is v
ML> 1.33, which carries a file date of 10-31-1995.  Is a later version
ML> available?

I have v1.35 here, dated 30-Jan-1997

ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/disk/phenx135.zip


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From: Andy Roberts                                      25-Oct-99 23:54:09
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Newbie

 MIKE RUSKAI,

24-Oct-99 22:08:00, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LEONARD ERICKSON
          Subject: Newbie

 MR> Some senseless babbling from Leonard Erickson to Lawrence R. Mintz
 MR> on 10-23-99  18:21 about Newbie...

 LRM>> The limit on logical drives is simply the letters of the
 LRM>> alphabet (for drive designations) left over after all the
 LRM>> primary partitions have been assigned.  That is true for DOS,
 LRM>> all flavors of Windows and OS/2.

 LE>> Actually, under at least some versions of DOS the limits are a
 LE>> bit broader. We had a LAN that ran under DOS 2.x. And you could
 LE>> not only have drives A-Z, but also @:, [:, and ]: I'm not sure if
 LE>> it allowed \:, ^: or _:.

 MR> Type "]:" at an OS/2 CMD prompt.

Also these:

[D:\]\:
[D:\]`:
[D:\]_:
[D:\][:
[D:\]]:
    Ctrl-Q = ^Q
[D:\]^Q:
[D:\]^W:
[D:\]^E:
[D:\]^R:
[D:\]^T:
[D:\]^Y:
[D:\]^U:
[D:\]^O:
[D:\]^A:
[D:\]^F:
[D:\]^G:
[D:\]^X:
[D:\]^V:
[D:\]^B:
[D:\]^N:
    Ctrl-6 =  
[D:\] :
    Ctrl-\ =  
[D:\] :
    Ctrl-_ =  
[D:\] :
SYS0015: The system cannot find the specified drive.

That is 23 more than A-Z.  But I already know by default OS/2 auto-assigned
drive designators crap out at Z.  So how can we get OS/2 to auto-assign such a
partition?

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net

PS.: Reviewing this msg it seems the High ASCII got replaced with a blank
space in those last 3 examples.  But I'm sure you get the idea.

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From: Andy Roberts                                      26-Oct-99 00:59:15
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Roy J. Tellason,

25-Oct-99 17:34:53, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Andy Roberts
 RJT> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to All:
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level Format
 AR>> prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.

 RJT> So am I.

 AR>> OTOH I'm not doing the work, and my friend is not near by, and he
 AR>> may be re-installing Win98 every time before he tries to install
 AR>> OS/2, thus re-creating the problem all over again.

 RJT> Or otherwise not operating the program correctly.

He said it took about 1-1/2 hours to run the Seagate Low Level Format on the
2GB IDE, so I assumed he had the right thing.

After that I told him to send me the drives and I'd fix them here.

 AR>> This situation has been going on for several years, but he did
 AR>> tell me he went through the Low Level Format this last week end.

 RJT> I've only ever had one set of problems with a partition table
 RJT> here, and that was because I made the mistake of letting an
 RJT> AHA-1520 do the translation thing.  This caused some very odd
 RJT> behavior when I switched to the (current) 2842, and only a
 RJT> low-level format seemed to fix the problem

I think JdeBP's OS2CLU02 PartList /Fix might have repaired that for you.

OTOH I have a pile of SCSI drives here and I have changed controllers from
the 2842A to the 2940 without any problem.  I was careful to make sure my
translation setup was the same on both controllers.  Every new SCSI HD gets
the Adaptec Low Level Format immediately before any data.  And old HDs get
Adaptec Low Level Format as soon as I can backup the old data when I put in
the new controller.  Reading from 1 controller to the other doesn't seem to
be a problem.  I just don't trust writing until a Low Level Format is done.
So far the only SCSI HD problem I've had was a combination of a new faster HD
and an old Adaptec BIOS or chipset, both of which were replaced for free.

 AR>> At this point I'll do almost anything to solve this problem and
 AR>> stop this annoying repetitive complaining about OS/2 installation
 AR>> not flushing the M$ toilet.

 RJT> Heh.  Interesting choice of phrase, there.

I try to avoid 4 letter words when talking about M$ in public. <g>

 AR>> I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward
 AR>> to him to do.

 RJT> I will be looking forward to seeing other responses you get to
 RJT> this.  So far, I haven't run into the problem myself, but any
 RJT> software that puts _zeros_ in that first sector of the disk,
 RJT> without regard for partitions or filesystems or anything else
 RJT> oughta do it.  I *think* I remember seeing somebody post a debug
 RJT> script that would do the trick, though I can't be sure

I vaguely remember something about that.  I hope they repost the details.

 RJT> I'd want to know from somebody with this complaint _in detail_
 RJT> the steps they were taking, there's probably some assumption
 RJT> that's messing things up in the details, somewhere.

I tried the best I could to state the facts gathered from his 10 steps to
frustration, that obviously failed at step 3 when FDISK could not find any
free space on his HD.  I talked to him about an hour on the phone LD while he
went through the FDISK thing, which resulted in info that he had over looked
such as the type "b" FAT32 partition taking up all the space and coming back
again after every attempt to delete it.  I don't think re-posting his original
msg is of any use, since he tends to write the results after he is frustrated
and almost always says he's gone back to Win98.  I'm inclined to assume he
gets some of the steps out of sequence, and probably went back to Win98 before
he even started to install OS/2.  So the Low Level Format gets trashed before
OS/2 has a chance to use any of the HD.  If he sends me his drives, then I'll
find out for sure.

 RJT> You never can tell with these win-users

I've learned that some of them are addicted to the M$ virus.  And they don't
really want a cure.  So what they say has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Personally I find it easier to accept the M$ users who are forced into using
it without a choice due to their job.  Some of the M$ users who stick with M$
and don't concern them selves with any other OS don't make any waves either.
It's the M$ users who want to blame IBM or Linux or anyone other than M$ for
the problems that are created by M$ that tend to irritate me.  Normally I just
ignore them.  But in this case I've known this fellow for a long time and we
have other interests in common to be friends about.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    25-Oct-99 21:31:17
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Hello Stewart,

24 Oct 99 16:15, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Kenneth Abrams:

 KA>> It is, however, completely possible, despite statements by you
 KA>> indicating otherwise.

 SH> Oh go away. I never said anything of the sort. I have run my machine

Leave the pertinent quote in this time. As I quoted *YOU* in the last message, 
you said:

 SH> When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and
 SH> it wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed.

Note the key phrase, "OS/2 is GUI based". Just what DID you mean when YOU said 
that?

 SH> using CMD.EXE as the command shell. The point you seem to be missing
 SH> is, I don't want to. This is a personnal machine with a new video
 SH> card, and a new 15" SVGA monitor. I will not use text-only.

The point you're missing is that your wanting to or not isn't the issue. You
made the statement (that I've now quoted twice) that OS/2 is a GUI-based
operating system. When challenged on the point, you responded by asking how
you could multitask without the GUI. You received a number of replies
attempting to explain that the only thing you lose without the GUI, is the
GUI. Multitasking is just as functional with or without the WPS. You *then*
attempt to turn the conversation into being about the problem you originally
only referenced indirectly and how we weren't helping you.

 SH> If you can't help, don't respond.

If you don't know what you're talking about ("OS/2 is GUI based"), don't post. 
Post falsely or incorrectly, and expect to be corrected.

Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Andy Roberts                                      26-Oct-99 13:04:01
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Roy J. Tellason,

26-Oct-99 00:59:31, Andy Roberts wrote to Roy J. Tellason
 AR> 25-Oct-99 17:34:53, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Andy Roberts
 RJT>> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to All:
 AR> Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>>> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level
 AR>>> Format prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.

 RJT>> So am I.

 RJT>> .. any software that puts _zeros_ in that first sector of the disk,
 RJT>> without regard for partitions or filesystems or anything else oughta do
 RJT>> it.  I *think* I remember seeing somebody post a debug script that
 RJT>> would do the trick, though I can't be sure

 AR> I vaguely remember something about that.  I hope they repost the
 AR> details.

Found it:
From : George Fliger 27-Jun-99  To Neil Croft
Subj : Re: LILO

 > If you want to TOTALLY clear partition information from your drive so
 > there is no partition code lying around from other configurations there
 > is a DEBUG script that you can run that will clear the old information.
 > It will require you having a bootable copy of DOS 6.x lying around with
 > DEBUG.EXE on one of the DOS disks.

 > Even if you've repartitioned the hard drive, FDISK does not update the
 > entire partition sector after the first time.  This script will clear
 > the partition sector (cyl 0, head 0, sector 1) of the first hard drive
 > which will force FDISK to completely start over.

 > Here is the script.

 >         C:\>DEBUG
 >         - f 200 L200 0
 >         - a 100
 >         xxxx:xxxx  mov ax,301 (ignore segment:offset values at left)
 >         xxxx:xxxx  mov bx,200
 >         xxxx:xxxx  mov cx,1
 >         xxxx:xxxx  mov dx,0080
 >         xxxx:xxxx  int 13
 >         xxxx:xxxx  int 3
 >         xxxx:xxxx             (Press ENTER an extra time here)
 >         - g=100
 >                               (ignore register display)
 >         - q                   (quits back to DOS)

 > FDISK should now show "No partitions defined".

 > If you have web access the following information is provided for those
 > who want an explanation of the script and wish to download a copy:

 > .Filename: HDCLEAR.TXT
 > WWW URL:   http://www.firmware.com/pb4ts/hdclear.htm
 > FTP URL:   ftp://ftp.firmware.com/text/hdclear.txt
 > Author:    Terry Slade, Micro Firmware Technical Support
 > Revision:  06/17/96
 > Summary:   This DEBUG script is used to erase a hard drive when other
 >            methods are not sufficient.

So I don't need that reposted now.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Lee Aroner                                        26-Oct-99 19:37:00
  To: John Angelico                                     28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: StarOffice

JA> On 20/10/1999, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara said to All about StarOffice:

RB> 
RB> My problem is: HTML files are ALWAYS linked to SO on click at WPS.
RB> 
RB> I dont be fooled by tricks, I used Assoc Edit by Mr Kelder.

JA> And what does AsoccEd show about the default association?
  >  
RB> Conclusion: I need to delete SO/2.
RB> This is only way, I see...
JA>  
  > A drastic solution. Maybe if you could explain a little more about the
  > exact problem you might get a simpler solution here.


   Like he says, HTML docs always open in SO, regardless of the 
   association setting. It's similar to the GIF > Picture Viewer 
   thing. No idea what the solution is...

                                       LRA


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From: Stephen Haffly                                    25-Oct-99 12:22:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Confirmation Needed

On (24 Oct 99) Linda Proulx wrote to All...

Hi Linda,

 LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
 LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
 LP> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the
 LP> OS/2 drive that OS/2 can read it.

OK, it is confirmed.  I've been doing this type of operation for years.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

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From: Peter Knapper                                     27-Oct-99 20:51:24
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: File Systems

Hi Leonard,

 LE> Well, there *is* one reason for HPFS on removable media. Long
 LE> filenames. 

True.

 LE> At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95 style
 LE> long file names. 

NO!!! We certainly DONT want a kludge like that thank-you!

Regards...........pk.


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From: Andy Roberts                                      26-Oct-99 23:23:05
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Cyrill Vakhneyev,

26-Oct-99 10:27:25, Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Andy Roberts
 CV> 25 Oct 99 08:50, Andy Roberts wrote to All:
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
 AR>> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a
 AR>> type "F" partition.

 CV> I think a better way to manage any partition is FDISK from Caldera
 CV> DR-DOS.

I don't think he has tried that yet.  Good idea.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      26-Oct-99 23:24:18
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 MIKE RUSKAI,

25-Oct-99 18:52:00, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to ANDY ROBERTS
 MR> Some senseless babbling from Andy Roberts to All on 10-25-99
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
 AR>> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a
 AR>> type "F" partition.

 MR> The primary partition table is in the master boot record, which is
 MR> the first sector on the drive.  Since it's very unlikely that this
 MR> FAT32 partition is a logical drive (given the nature of Windows
 MR> and its users), that's probably where the partition will be
 MR> defined.

 MR> The partition table is 64 bytes, beginning with offset 446 (with 0
 MR> being the first byte).  Those 64 bytes are four partition entries
 MR> that are 16 bytes each.  The fifth byte of each entry is the
 MR> partition type.  Changing this byte to a value of 0x07 will make
 MR> OS/2 think it's an HPFS partition (though it'll be completely
 MR> broken, of course, as an HPFS partition).  That should make it
 MR> comfortable enough to delete the entry.

 MR> If it doesn't, then you can zero out all 16 bytes to erase the
 MR> partition manually.

 MR> Needless to say, this requires a sector editor.

I think Norton's diskedit can handle that.

 MR> If you have any programming experience, it can be accomplished with a
 MR> couple DosDevIOCtl() calls (one to read the sector, one to write the
 MR> modified data back), instead.

I quit programming years ago (except for a little REXX).  But I think there
are enough utils around to get the job done anyway.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      26-Oct-99 23:36:25
  To: Ian Moote                                         28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 Ian Moote,

26-Oct-99 12:40:00, Ian Moote wrote to ANDY ROBERTS
          Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32

 AR>> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
 AR>> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a
 AR>> type "F" partition.

 IM> I've got a utility here that I wrote for DOS which will blast the
 IM> entire MBR off the drive. Send me your E-Mail address.

My address is at the bottom of this msg.

 AR>> BTW, as far as the 10.3 GB HD is concerned, he did say he got the
 AR>> >8GB drivers and made an updated set of OS/2 install diskettes

 IM> ">8GB drivers"? For the Winodows you mean?

No, Idedasd.Exe

 AR>> He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then
 AR>> running Seagate's Low Level Format.

 IM> LLF should certainly have gotten rid of it.

I think we all agree about that.

 IM> I haven't used the latest incarnation of SGATFMT*; does it have a
 IM> "non-destructive format" option that was used?

I haven't used it in many years.  But he said he used it.

 AR>> In the process he has tried to delete that FAT32 partition with
 AR>> Linux, DOS 6.2, and Partition Magic.

 IM> None of those worked!?

That was my understanding.  After each, OS/2 FDISK still would not let him
create Boot Manager due to a lack of free space and had 1 type "b" partition
that consumed almost the whole HD.  But I didn't do the work.  So there may be
other circumstances.

 AR>> In typical M$ user fashion he repeats those last steps 1/2 a
 AR>> dozen times until he become frustrated and blames OS/2, then
 AR>> re-installs Win98.

 IM> Sounds like he's in Micro$oft's target market.

 AR>> Personally I'm getting very tired of hearing him complain about
 AR>> OS/2 not installing and how wonderful the M$ installation is.

 IM> And you're forcing him to use OS/2 because...

LOL... No I told him over a year ago I didn't think OS/2 was for him.  He just
gets a wild hair up his butt every few months, then pulls Linux or OS/2 off
the shelf and goes through that silly cycle again, always ending up with M$.

Although 4-5 years ago I was serious, within the last year or so any urging
him to use OS/2 on my part is purely in jest.  And I think he knows that.

 IM> Once he _does_ get it installed, who do you think he's going to
 IM> call whenever he has a problem with his OS/2 system? [:)

Bill Gates.  And then thank him for making something he could at least get
installed again for the 1000th time. <ROTFLMAO>

-<snipped some of your good info>-

 IM> In order to remove all partitions from the drive, simply zero all
 IM> the values from 01BEh to 01FDh. Personally, I think you should get
 IM> rid of that Windows MBR entirely by zeroing out everything from
 IM> 0000h to 01FFh.

Yes, I agree getting rid of the whole MBR seems best.  And with those
addresses it should be easy.

 AR>> Personally I'm a little surprised that Seagate's Low Level Format
 AR>> prgm for IDE drives did not solve the problem.

 IM> As am I.

That's always been my 1st suggestion to him.  I'm glad everyone who has had an
opinion about this agrees on that.

-<snip>-
 IM> .. let him use his Windoof.

Absolutely right.!

Until M$ includes a menu for "Install OS/2" I think he should stay with M$.

 IM> [:DDD You can tell him this for me! [:D Put my name on the bottom!

I think he might read this echo.  He is connected to it.  And I already told
him I posted a msg in here about his problem.

-<snip>-
 IM> 2. Take the drive and the computer over to Andy's place and have
 IM> him install the OS/2 for you.

Oh no NO.!  I draw that line at blood and marriage related family.

I'm willing to prove there is a way to install OS/2 and even clean his HDs for
him if necessary to do that.  IMO M$ users must enjoy re-installing, since
some of them are convinced they have to do it so often.  My perspective on
this is that OS/2 installation is the game that he has not yet learned to
beat.  I would not want to deprive him of any enjoyment of the effort.  But I
will gladly give him the cheat tips on how to really win without WinXX.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             25-Oct-99 23:04:22
  To: Linda Proulx                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Confirmation Needed

Hi there Linda!

Replying to a message of Linda Proulx to All:

 LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
 LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
 LP> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the
 LP> OS/2 drive that OS/2 can read it.

As long as you use FAT (not FAT32, but I guess that's no option for you) on
the removable drive both OS/2 and DOS will read the files on it. Note that
OS/2 always uses FAT on floppies.

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <torsten.balle.koefoed@writeme.com>

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  27-Oct-99 09:41:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: More Questions

Hello Linda!

25 Oct 99 18:37, Linda Proulx wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>>     IBM says WinOS2 support up to WIN32 1.25 (in Warp 4). Some
 CV>> versions of WIN32 as separate product can be installed too.
 LP> What about Warp 3?
    Can support win32 since FP22(?)
 LP> And which Win32 products?
    Don't know. Photoshop with own win32s works well.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Ian Moote                                         27-Oct-99 13:39:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Confirmation Needed

LP> IM> BTW, what's "an OS/2 32-bit formatted drive"?
LP>
LP> I couldn't remember the Hsomething letters when I was writing the
LP> message. :-)

Oh! [:) Okay. I guess if I had thought about that hard enough it may 
have occured to me.

"HPFS", BTW. [:)

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Ian Moote                                         27-Oct-99 13:40:00
  To: LINDA PROULX                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: dos games under Warp

LP> HG> First thing is that you do have the same settings in the OS/2
LP> HG> autoexec.bat that are required in the DOS autoexec.bat.
LP>
LP> Can a batch file be made that starts the DOS program with the
LP> settings needed and quits when the program quits?  Eg, the only time
LP> a driver is used but don't want it to take envirionment space
LP> always.

The WorkPlace Shell allows you to specify a different AutoExec.Bat file 
for each program. From the file's Properties: Properties => Session => 
DOS Settings => Other DOS Properties => [OK] => DOS_Autoexec.

In that same area you can also find DOS_Device which also allows you to 
load device drivers which are normally only loadable by DOS' Config.Sys 
file.

This is using Warp 4, but I'm sure that I was able to do similar in both 
Warp 3 and OS/2 v2.1.

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Ian Moote                                         27-Oct-99 13:40:00
  To: LEONARD ERICKSON                                  28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: File Systems

LE> Well, there *is* one reason for HPFS on removable media. Long
LE> filenames. At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95
LE> style long file names.
LE>
LE> I'm sure someone is going to mention using ZIP or some other
LE> archiver. Many of the files I'm putting on the ZIP disks are things
LE> I want *direct* access to. Not access thru an archiver.

OS/2 keeps track of long filenames on removable FAT drives. I just 
double-checked: I had a file on floppy named "JIM". I renamed it, using 
WPS, to "Jimbo a-logo!.blobbo.txt". Checking on my DOS laptop, the 
filename is now "JIMBO_A-.TXT", but it still comes up as "Jimbo a-
logo.blobbo.txt" on OS/2. [:)

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Ian Moote                                         27-Oct-99 13:40:00
  To: HOLGER GRANHOLM                                   28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Manual?

HG> A question crossed my mind. Did you ever receive a paperback manual
HG> with your copy of Warp 3?

Warp 3 or 4?


HG> The reason I haven't sold or given away my Warp 3 is that there came
HG> no such manual with Warp 4 and I really like to RTFM before
HG> installing any programs or operating systems.

I loaned my Warp 3 to a friend when I moved up to Warp 4, but I'm sure 
it has a manual.

My Warp 4 has a 128-page manual called "Up and Running OS/2 WARP Version 
4" which covers installation of the O/S. It covers Boot Manager, Dual 
Booting, FDisk, etc. The troubleshooting seems to assume that you've got 
an operational operating system with WPS running.

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Russell Tiedt                                     24-Oct-99 07:28:09
  To: Jack Pfisterer                                    28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Jack Pfisterer wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 JP> I see that I too have Sendmail with Warp 4--but can find no trace
 JP> of  documentation for it, either hard copy on on line.

 JP> Where can I find out what this beast is and how it works?  Running
 JP> it without arguments or with /H or /? or help as arguments produces
 JP> quite uninformative error messages.  "Help Sendmail" produces a
 JP> "topic not found" error message.

Hmmm,wonder if copying my sendmail.cf file from Linux to the OS/2 system
would work. 

Think I could have a lot of fun playing with this if only I had the time.

Go well,

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From: Russell Tiedt                                     24-Oct-99 08:09:12
  To: Holger Granholm                                   28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: StarOffice?

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

RT>You want I should get one made for you?

 HG> It would be nice but how would I pay you?

Payment is not wanted tho a swap of some sort would be appreciated, it is not 
necessary.

Well now, I wouldn't mind a good book on networking OS/2, but paper is heavy
and you would pay a equally heavy penalty.

So that rules out that, and to be fair, a CD-ROM of some sort in return would 
be acceptable, content being either latest fixpacks for OS/2 Warp 3 and Warp 4 
or latest FreeBSD CD-ROM.

Otherwise there is not much that would be fair for me to ask, if neither of
the above is possible, I will still send you the CD-ROM, and you will owe me
nothing. 

 HG> Let me first check sun.com for their pricing.
 HG> There I know I can pay with credit card. Easy ;-)

True, whatever is more convenient for you.

 HG> I'll be back.

 HG> Have a nice day,

Always, just some days are better than others. :-)))

Go well,

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From: Russell Tiedt                                     24-Oct-99 22:12:28
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 RT> Yes. I am running Warp 3 Connect, it has sendmail, but as far as I can
 RT> see there is no way to do much usefull with it, at least I have found
 RT> nothing that suggests how one might go about it, [...]

 JdBP> It's the standard UCB sendmail.  It's difficult to configure
 JdBP> because of sendmail.cf, but that's simply a design flaw of UCB
 JdBP> sendmail.  The OS/2 port does everything that can be done with
 JdBP> UCB sendmail except for those rare things that require sockets as
 JdBP> standard input (such as BSMTP).

 JdBP> In particular, the usual "sendmail -bd -q30m" will run a sendmail
 JdBP> daemon listening on the SMTP port for incoming mail, and will
 JdBP> deliver it according to the rewrite and mailer rules set up in
 JdBP> sendmail.cf .  (OS/2 Warp's TCP/IP Configuration utility will
 JdBP> cause the sendmail daemon to be started in the proper manner if
 JdBP> you ask it to.)

Ahh, so would a sendmail.cf generated under Linux work if copied over to
OS/2?

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Gord Hannah                                       27-Oct-99 08:17:08
  To: Ian Moote                                         28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Replying to a message from Ian Moote 1:2424/140 to ANDY ROBERTS,

About M$ "screw you" FAT32, On Tue Oct 26 1999

IM> And you're forcing him to use OS/2 because... You buy Tylenol by the
IM> case? Because you don't have enough ulcers? Because you like baby-
IM> sitting people who are lost if they can't use a mouse? Once he
IM> _does_  get it installed, who do you think he's going to call
IM> whenever he has a  problem with his OS/2 system? [:)

I call on Andy quite regular when I have a problem, he baby sat me for my
first year in the OS/2 enviroment, he is good at it..:-)  Sides he needs some
thing to keep his brain active, us old farts need that otherwise we go
stagnant.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Tobias Ernst                                      27-Oct-99 10:30:22
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Newbie

Hallo MIKE!

 MR> Type "]:" at an OS/2 CMD prompt.

This looks like it would work, because the shell seems to just see if the
string is two characters and the last one is a colon. But I don't think OS/2
can really assign drive letters like this. At least, 

net use ]: \\server\share

does not work for me.

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: Jack Pfisterer                                    27-Oct-99 10:04:00
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: E-Mail servers??

 JP> I see that I too have Sendmail with Warp 4--but can find no
 JP> trace of documentation for it, either hard copy on on line.
 JP> ... Where can I find out what this beast is and how it works?

Thanks, all (Roy J. Tellason, Mike Roark, John Thompson, George White
and Jonathan de Boyne Pollard), for those informative responses to my
query.

Doesn't sound like something that will transform my life--but it's
nice to know what's lurking amidst all those resources.

Jack P.
 
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       27-Oct-99 10:55:00
  To: JACK STEIN                                        28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: File Systems

Some senseless babbling from Jack Stein to Murray Lesser
on 10-25-99  08:23 about File Systems...

 JS> Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Andy Roberts:
 
 AR>While I can think of a lot of reasons to use HPFS rather than FAT, I
 >can not think of any good reason to use FAT rather than HPFS.
 
 ML>     If your whole partition will contain only a few long
 ML> sequential files, FAT is not only faster but has more
 ML> capacity.  I back up to Iomega Zip diskettes using the OS/2
 ML> BACKUP and RESTORE utilities.  It would make no sense
 ML> whatsoever to format those diskettes HPFS. 

 JS> That may be the only instance that FAT might be better, only because
 JS> of space considerations.
 
 ML>     Choice of file system should depend on what one is going
 ML> to put into the partition, not on the "Team OS/2"
 ML> conventional wisdom.  I agree that for general use with
 ML> partitions that are much larger than 100 MB, HPFS has enough
 ML> advantages over FAT to be the preferred choice.  

 JS> I think it has advantages in smaller partitions than 100meg, and
 JS> unless the partition only has (as in your case) one, or a few large
 JS> files, about the  only disadvantage HPFS has is the intital space HPFS
 JS> uses.  If I recall correctly, HPFS generally takes about 7 megs of
 JS> space for whatever it is doing, I don't know what FAT uses, but to me,
 JS> that would be the only issue.   

The largest HPFS structure is the directory band, which varies in size with
the size of the drive.  The minimum size is 102,000 bytes, and the maximum
is 8,192,000 bytes, which is reached at a drive size around 800MB.  In
between, the size of the directory band is, on average, the drive size
divided by 102.64 (out of 27 sample drives between 50MB and 770MB, which
have a minimun ratio of 102.40, and a max of 103.42).

The rest of HPFS's usage is comprised of the following:

1)  LSN's 0 through 20, for BootBlock, SuperBlock, SpareBloc, and other
    stuff.

2)  Four sectors for hotfix entries list.

3)  100 hotfix sectors.

4)  At least four sectors for freespace bitmap list.  An additional four
    sectors for every additional 512 bitmaps required on the drive (each
    four sectors will list bitmaps for an additional 4GB of space, on
    typical drives).

5)  2KB freespace bitmap for every 16384 sectors on the drive.

I've recently also found that there's a bug somewhere in OS/2 that prevents
the use of 4096 free sectors on an HPFS drive, at the end of the drive
(immediately before the last freespace bitmap).  The freespace bitmap shows
the sectors as free, and they don't contain any data, but they are
unreachable (except using direct drive access).

So, for a 100MB ZIP disk, HPFS would be using about the following:

1,021,605 bytes for the directory band
   26,624 bytes for freespace bitmaps
   51,200 bytes for hotfix sectors
   10,240 bytes for structures at beginning
    4,096 bytes for bitmap and hotfix lists
----------
1,113,765 bytes total

I don't know whether or not a ZIP disk would have the same 4096-sector loss
at the end.  If so, that's an additional 2MB off the total.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Lee Aroner                                        27-Oct-99 06:56:00
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Lee Aroner to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> Actually, under at least some versions of DOS the limits are a bit
 > broader. We had a LAN that ran under DOS 2.x. And you could not only
 > have drives A-Z, but also @:, [:, and ]: I'm not sure if it allowed \:,
 > ^: or _:.

 LA> T'was the NetWare redirector that enabled drive ID's beyond Z... 
 LA> so far as I know, no other NOS allowed that.

LE> No, this was NESTAR, not Netware. The server ran UCSD p-System as the OS.


   Ah, an oldie.

   I was reminded today that OS/2 also has the capability to handle 
   drive assignments through "]" in, apparently for use by the 
   Netware client.

                                       LRA


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From: Sean Dennis                                       27-Oct-99 03:57:05
  To: Will Honea                                        28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: StarOffice

Hello Will.

26 Oct 99 12:30, you wrote to me:

 SD>> well.  As David  said, simply right-click on the StarOffice icon
 SD>> and change  the associations. Not too difficult.  Also, when I
 SD>> installed StarOffice, it asked me if I wanted to associate  HTML
 SD>> files with it and I chose no...

 WH> Not quite as simple as that, Sean.  SO registers a class, something
 WH> like STAROFFICEHTML, which will simply restore the association.  You
 WH> must de-register this class to get control of the association back.

I'm simply talking from my own experience. :)  I've had to nuke SO for lack of 
space on my HD, and have just reassociated HTML files with Netscape.  There
are still the SO classes registered, however (just looked), so I guess I'll
have to look into de-registering them.  Thanks for the info.

Later,
Sean

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From: Dan Egli                                          27-Oct-99 19:51:06
  To: Jack Stein                                        28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Registration

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Dan Egli <=-

 DE> Anyone know?

 JS> I never registered OS/2, didn't know you could?  It's not shareware?

Register as in the registration cards that come with so many progams now
days. It's basically telling the author(s) that you have their program and are
using it. Not a regsitration for use, registration for curtesy bascially.

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From: Dan Egli                                          27-Oct-99 19:51:07
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Holger Granholm <=-

 HG> Until Walnut Creek ceased to make the CD's BBS ready I subscribed to
 HG> Hobbes OS/2. Then I terminated the subscription but left a message
 HG> that I would be willing to continue if they again would release BBS
 HG> ready CD's. The reply was that they didn't intend to.

 JdBP> What I'd really like to see is someone release a CD-ROM (set) of the
 JdBP> Hobbes FTP site as it is *now*.  Walnut Creek is several years out of
 JdBP> date and is missing a huge chunk of files.

As a matter of fact, I was planning on slowly downloading the Hobbes archive
and burning it to a CD. If people are interested, I may sell copies of the
burn
to those who want them. The CDs could be BBS ready, if desired.



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From: Dan Egli                                          27-Oct-99 19:51:07
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: NumLock

Here's another question guys.

        Every time OS/2 Boots, it turns off the numlock. I like the numlock on
but I hate turning it on for each session.

Is there something I can tweak in the config.sys or somewhre that will leave
the numlock ON?

Thanks!

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From: Dan Egli                                          27-Oct-99 19:51:08
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: FTP Server for Os/2

I am getting ready to hook up to the Net full time (got a cable modem on
order)
and I wanted to know what the best FTPD for Os/2 is, and also if there is a
better version of Sendmail than comes w/ Warp 4?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!

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From: Linda Proulx                                      26-Oct-99 18:39:13
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Y2K Question

Greetings All,

Me again. Want to confirm that when I Y2k Warp 3, the Win code will be
Y2ked as well.  Or do I have to install the MS fix?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Andy Roberts                                      27-Oct-99 08:45:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

 Linda Proulx,

26-Oct-99 19:41:09, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: Re: An Inquiring Mind

  -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Holger Granholm <=-

 AR>> From Pete Norloff's BBS: CPRINT.ZIP    57K  6-25-94

 HG>> Hi Andy. I'd appreciate if you could attach that file to:
 HG>> holgra@alcom.aland.fi

 LP> Could you attach to me also?

 LP> linda.proulx@universe.pangea.ca

Done

 LP> Written later........

 LP> Could this be on the CD?

It will be.

 LP> If yes, I can wait.

Whoops, gone already.  When I 1st read your msg, I saw the sig and didn't PgDn
to see the last part.  Sorry about that.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       27-Oct-99 23:08:00
  To: TOBIAS ERNST                                      28-Oct-99 11:07:21
Subj: Newbie

Some senseless babbling from Tobias Ernst to Mike Ruskai
on 10-27-99  10:30 about Newbie...

 TE> Hallo MIKE!
 
 MR> Type "]:" at an OS/2 CMD prompt.

 TE> This looks like it would work, because the shell seems to just see if
 TE> the string is two characters and the last one is a colon. But I don't
 TE> think OS/2 can really assign drive letters like this. At least, 

 TE> net use ]: \\server\share

 TE> does not work for me.

No, the support isn't complete (and maybe never will be), but the concept
is intact in OS/2.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Oct-99 21:06:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:06
Subj: faxworks

Hello Linda,

24 Oct 99 23:02, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> it does have the ability to import text, but not directly. Print
ET>> or type the text file to the LPT-port set up and used by the
ET>> faxworks driver (that's LPT3 on my system), print images to the
ET>> same LPT-port.

LP> How does that import text?

Like I said: print to the faxworks driver, that will import into faxworks what 
you want to fax.

Or you can use drag & drop (inside programs that support drag & drop - for
example the drives object): drag what you want to fax and drop it on faxworks.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Oct-99 22:31:20
  To: Jack Stein                                        29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Hello Jack,

22 Oct 99 18:46, Jack Stein wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara:

JS> for that unless someone else has done it with FC.  Are you certain FC
JS> is a non-pm application?

I've FC/2. FC/2 is a non-pm program and FC/2 runs fine without PMshell, that's 
my personal experience.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: David Noon                                        25-Oct-99 17:52:00
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Computer History

In a message dated 10-23-99, Leonard Erickson said to Dirk Stuijfzand about
"Computer History"

Hi Leonard,

 DS> (Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter data
 DS> into computers)

LE>Not only have I punched cards, I've toggled bootstrap code into a
LE>mainframe.

That was, of course, the paper tape bootstrap so that the disk bootstrap
could be read through the paper tape reader on the side of the ASR 33 TTY
that was used as a system console. I was still a mere slip of a boy the last
time I did that.

LE>And as far as card punching goes, how many of you know what a "drum
LE>card" for a keypunch does?

Oh yes. I think I can still recall the multi-punches for the IBM 029 drum
program fields.

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: George White                                      25-Oct-99 08:06:02
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Linux

Hi Eddy,

On 19-Oct-99, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>> The WPS isn't the GUI, though.

 ET> The WPS is a graphical program environment.

The WPS (Work Place _Shell_) is the GUI manager. It is, in itself,
just another application. It even has the standard graphical program
header, although it is deliberately positioned off the top of the
screen and all that is visible is the display area.

 SH>> OS/2 starts something along the lines of X11,

 ET> What's 'X11' ?

A *NIX graphical interface.

 SH>> and the WPS is simply the window manager.

 ET> I thought PM (program manager) is the window manager?

PM (_Presentation_ Manager) is the underlying graphical support
system. If you are a programmer, all the basic graphical and window
management calls are to the PM subsystem and are documented in the
Presentation Manager .inf file (document).

Program Manager is a Windows thing...

George

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From: George White                                      25-Oct-99 09:04:21
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: W 4 difs.

Hi Andy,

On 23-Oct-99, Andy Roberts wrote to George White:

 LP>>> What is the diff between the various flavours or Warp 4?

 GW>> There is only one retail version of Warp 4.

 AR> Actually there are several, as you and Linda have seen from other
 AR> msgs.  And now that I think about it there is 1 more version, that
 AR> no one else mentioned in this thread.  The Academic Version, which
 AR> comes without the Mic-HeadSet.

I'm not sure what is still available in the USofA, but over here the
only version readily available is the standard, full version. The
"upgrade" version was (is?) exactly the same as the full version, just
a lower price on initial release. I have never seen an Academic
version listed anywhere over here.

I don't count Warp Server 4 as a Warp 4 version, it's something else
entirely. It's a hybred version as it's really Warp 3 + server stuff
misnamed for marketing reasons as version 4.

There _is_, however, another version of Warp 4 that has not been
mentioned at all in this thread. It was a Devcon special version
without WinOS2 built in and only supplied to registered OS/2
developers via a Devcon subscription immediately after Warp 4 GA
(Devcon 10 or 11?). I've got it here somewhere among the hundreds of
CDROMs stacked around the place...

I suspect everyone now knoes more than they ever wanted to about Warp
4 versions...

George

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From: George White                                      27-Oct-99 18:11:09
  To: Mike Roark                                        29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hi Mike,

On 23-Oct-99, Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx:


 MR> I can't think of any program that I use that absolutely has to be
 MR> on the c: drive under OS/2

Any OS/2 programs that do get short shrift here! C: is my DOS
partition and is forbidden territory to OS/2 apps (my OS/2 partitions
are D: and E: ).

George

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Oct-99 00:05:02
  To: Peter Knapper                                     29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: File Systems

 -=> Quoting Peter Knapper to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> Well, there *is* one reason for HPFS on removable media. Long
 LE> filenames. 

 PK> True.
 
 LE> At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95 style
 LE> long file names. 

 PK> NO!!! We certainly DONT want a kludge like that thank-you!

Admittedly, it's a kludge. But it's also *common*, which means we need
to be able to import and export it.

It'd also be nice if OS/2 could "borrow" a trick from Netware. Netware
creates an 8.3 "alias" so that DOS programs *can* access such files.
The problem is that the name is neither predictable nor "settable" (at
least in my version of Netware). 

By "settable", I mean that I can't assign a *specific* 8.3 name to a
file *and* keep the long name. Something like the Unix trick of
pointing multiple directory entries at the same name would be the best
answer. I forget what the Unix command is. 

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Oct-99 00:11:03
  To: Ian Moote                                         29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: File Systems

 -=> Quoting Ian Moote to LEONARD ERICKSON <=-

 LE> Well, there *is* one reason for HPFS on removable media. Long
 LE> filenames. At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95
 LE> style long file names.
 LE>
 LE> I'm sure someone is going to mention using ZIP or some other
 LE> archiver. Many of the files I'm putting on the ZIP disks are things
 LE> I want *direct* access to. Not access thru an archiver.

 IM> OS/2 keeps track of long filenames on removable FAT drives. I just 
 IM> double-checked: I had a file on floppy named "JIM". I renamed it,
 IM> using  WPS, to "Jimbo a-logo!.blobbo.txt". Checking on my DOS laptop,
 IM> the  filename is now "JIMBO_A-.TXT", but it still comes up as "Jimbo a-
 IM> logo.blobbo.txt" on OS/2. [:)

That's nice. I'd like to be able to go one step farther and assign a
*specific* shortname to a file without losing the long name. Even if
it used up another directory entry. Then we'd be able to keep old
programs happy indefinitely and still use long filenames. Unix can do
this, I just forget the command.

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Oct-99 06:00:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Re: Confirmation Needed

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Ian Moote <=-

 -=> Ian Moote wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
 
 IM> BTW, what's "an OS/2 32-bit formatted drive"?

 LP> I couldn't remember the Hsomething letters when I was writing the
 LP> message. :-)

HPFS - which stands for High Performance File System.

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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             27-Oct-99 21:39:29
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Hi there Andy!

Replying to a message of Andy Roberts to All:

 AR> He said he started out by deleting _ALL_ WIN98 stuff, then running
 AR> Seagate's Low Level Format.  In the process he has tried to delete
 AR> that FAT32 partition with Linux, DOS 6.2, and Partition Magic.  After
 AR> all that OS/2 FDISK still shows the type "b" partition, and will not
 AR> allow him to use create a Boot Manager nor create any partition,
 AR> because the only free space he has (if any) is at the very end of the
 AR> HD.  When he deletes the partition all options become greyed-out. 
 AR> Then he reboots with the install floppies and goes back into FDISK
 AR> again, the type "b" partition is back again.

Just one simple question: Did he remember to "Save changes" before exiting
FDISK?

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <torsten.balle.koefoed@writeme.com>

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From: Holger Granholm                                   27-Oct-99 20:43:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 10-25-99, Andy Roberts said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> Hi Andy. I'd appreciate if you could attach that file to:
 HG> holgra@alcom.aland.fi

AR>Done

Yeah, received, thank you!

 HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address. If I
 HG> knew, I could DL it myself.

AR>bbs.os2bbs.com or #204.194.180.10  You can get his files via Telnet.

I'll put it in as a bookmark in NS. Thanks.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   27-Oct-99 20:43:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Re: dos games under Warp

In a message dated 10-25-99, Linda Proulx said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Linda,

LP>Can a batch file be made that starts the DOS program with the
LP>settings needed and quits when the program quits?  Eg, the only time
LP>a driver is used but don't want it to take envirionment space
LP>always.

Yes of course.  Also the name of the autoexec file can be anything.

BTW, in OS/2 no driver will use use space when not in use and if it's
called by a DOS program it will disappear when the program is finished.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   27-Oct-99 20:43:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM

In a message dated 10-25-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger
Granholm:

Hi Jonathan,

JP>What I'd really like to see is someone release a CD-ROM (set) of the
JP>Hobbes FTP site as it is *now*.

Yes, a CD every or every second year would be nice.

JP>Walnut Creek is several years out of date and is missing a huge
JP>chunk of files.

Agreed, previous to subscribing to the Hobbes OS/2 CDROM I subscribed to
the Walnut Creek's QRZ! Ham Radio CD.  Same thing there, old programs
with at the most new dates.

JP>A LEO CD-ROM wouldn't go amiss, either, since there are OS/2 files
JP>on LEO that aren't on Hobbes.

I haven't perused that site even though I probably have DL'd some files
from the place.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   27-Oct-99 20:43:00
  To: Mike Roark                                        29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Warp 3 Install

In a message dated 10-24-99, Mike Roark said to Holger Granholm:

MR>Thanks.. I thought for a while that the long term memory cells were
MR>starting to go.. ;-)

Don't worry Mike, it's the short term memory cells that go first.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   27-Oct-99 20:43:00
  To: James Byrnes                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

In a message dated 10-25-99, James Byrnes said to Holger Granholm:

HG> I don't know if Pete Norloff's BBS has a FTP or www address.
HG> If I knew, I could DL it myself.
HG> 

JB>telnet = os2bbs.com
JB>www = http://www.os2bbs.com

Thanks Jim!

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   27-Oct-99 20:43:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 10-25-99, Andy Roberts said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Andy,

 HG> Just did connect to sun.com.  The CD is 9.95 and the S/H is
 HG> $6.00-25.00.  I bet they would charge me the highest cost.

AR>If it is only $6, then go that way.  $16 total is a good price. 

I agree, $6 is acceptable (so would even $9 as Walnut Creek charged)
for S/H but I heard from Russell Tiedt i South Africa that it had
become much more expensive than that.

That's why I said that they would probably charge me the maximum.
There wasn't any mention on the web page that you could choose the
way it would be delivered.

AR>Just don't ask SUN for the very fastest overnight delivery, which is
AR>expensive.

I'll go deeper and check if I can choose the delivery cost before
committing to an order.

AR>My problem is that every time I D/L a whole set, they promptly
AR>upgrade and I'm back to where I started.

Well, I don't upgrade anything that works if I can avoid it.
My motto is: "If it works, don't fix it!" <BG>

Still running DOS programs from 1988 like the previously mentioned BOTH.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Linda Proulx                                      27-Oct-99 12:01:11
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Re: An Inquiring Mind

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> Whoops, gone already.  When I 1st read your msg, I saw the sig and
 AR> didn't PgDn to see the last part.  Sorry about that.

that's all right. Thanks for the thought.  Actually will probably have
Warp installed before I get the CD so probably can use it right away.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      27-Oct-99 12:03:05
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Re: File Systems

-=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JACK STEIN <=-

 MR> data, but they are unreachable (except using direct drive access).

What is exactly meant by direct drive access?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      27-Oct-99 12:17:25
  To: Dan Egli                                          29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Re: Hobbes CD-ROM

-=> Dan Egli wrote to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard <=-

 DE> As a matter of fact, I was planning on slowly downloading the Hobbes
 DE> archive and burning it to a CD. If people are interested, I may sell
 DE> copies of the burn to those who want them. The CDs could be BBS ready,
 DE> if desired.

Could be interested.

Linda


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From: David Randall                                     28-Oct-99 17:34:26
  To: Dan Egli                                          29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: NumLock

Dan Egli wrote in a message to All:

 DE> Every time OS/2 Boots, it turns off the numlock. I like the
 DE> numlock on but I hate turning it on for each session.

 DE> Is there something I can tweak in the config.sys or somewhre
 DE> that will leave the numlock ON?

There's a program called JShifter that will turn numlock on for you if you
load it at startup.  And it's free.  Look for JSHIF161.ZIP.




                               
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   28-Oct-99 11:09:02
  To: George Fliger                                     29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

George Fliger wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 GF> I was the one who posted that debug script.

<...>

 GF> FDISK should now show "No partitions defined".

Saved,  just in case...

 GF> The above clears the partition sector (cyl 0, head 0, sector 1) 
 GF> of the first hard drive which will force FDISK to completely 
 GF> start over.  Make sure you disconnect any secondary drives 
 GF> before executing this script to prevent any accidental data 
 GF> loss.

Hope Andy gets this...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   28-Oct-99 13:58:06
  To: Dan Egli                                          29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: FTP Server for Os/2

Dan Egli wrote in a message to All:

 DE> I am getting ready to hook up to the Net full time (got a cable 
 DE> modem on order) and I wanted to know what the best FTPD for 
 DE> Os/2 is, 

Dunno about "best",  but the one that comes with it has worked okay for me...

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From: Andrew Belov                                      28-Oct-99 22:38:24
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Re: Y2K Question

Hello Linda!

In a msg originally to All, Linda Proulx said:

 LP> Me again. Want to confirm that when I Y2k Warp 3, the Win code will be
 LP> Y2ked as well.  Or do I have to install the MS fix?

Depends on Warp flavor used on your machine. The original File Manager shows
10/10/2023 as "10/10/<3". Warp for Windows does not fix this glitch but File
Manager from Win-OS/2 works perfectly.

                                                       Bye.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   28-Oct-99 16:25:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: Re: Manual?

In a message dated 10-26-99, Linda Proulx said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Linda,

LP>Got everything that came with the program, including the manual. 
LP>And disks never been opened!

Very good. I always read the manual a night or two before installing
new software or hw.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: John Thompson                                     28-Oct-99 16:15:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 13:33:07
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

ANDY ROBERTS wrote re: M$ "screw you" FAT32

AR> I need to find out how to permanently get rid of a type "b" FAT32
AR> partition created with WIN95 OSR2.  I assume that is similar to a
AR> type "F" partition.

Linux fdisk can change the "partition type" flag.  If you can get
hold of a bootable linux diskette (check your public library for 
linux books with CD's in the back or download a boot diskette 
image off the internet), boot to a command prompt and run fdisk. 
Select "t" and then the partition number (usually "1" for Windows
partitions) and change the type from "b" to "5" or whatever it is
you need.

Partition Magic v4.01 includes a GUI partition table editor 
(DOS and Windows versions; no native OS/2 unfortunately) that
can change partition type for you also.



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From: Murray Lesser                                     29-Oct-99 06:50:00
  To: Fred Springfield                                  29-Oct-99 06:50:00
Subj: Computer History

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-26-99, Fred Springfield to Murray
Lesser)

Hi Fred--

ML>     You _are_ a latecomer!  When I started (on the predecessor to the
ML> IBM Card Programmed Electronic Calculator), our keypunch didn't
ML> have a "drum card" because it wasn't intended for volume data input.
ML>  In those days, "computers" were people and "calculators" were
ML> machines.  I don't remember when the nomenclature changed.

FS>Does this predate the IBM 650?  I started my programming there with
  >Bell (after ATT Labs) code, the first available interpreter for that
  >machine, in 1958, right out of school.

   By several years!  The first production model of the IBM Card
Programmed Electronic Calculator (CPC) was delivered to Northrop
Aircraft (where I was one of the crew who learned to program it "on the
job") late in 1949.  We had used an earlier cobbled-up prototype
("Betsy") prior to that delivery.  The machine was used primarily for
structural analysis, for aerodynamic load calculations, and for takeoff
trajectory analysis of a rocket-launched air-breathing missile.  We
invented our own "programming languages" as we went along.

    The first delivery of an IBM 650, known internally during the
development period as the MDC (Magnetic Drum Calculator), was to the
John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Company in 1954.

    For more information, see the book, "IBM's Early Computers" (ISBN
0-262-02225-7), MIT Press, 1986.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Gord Hannah                                       28-Oct-99 18:12:17
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 15:36:09
Subj: M$ "screw you" FAT32

Replying to a message from Andy Roberts 1:109/921.1 to Ian Moote,

About M$ "screw you" FAT32, On Tue Oct 26 1999

 IM> And you're forcing him to use OS/2 because...

AR> LOL... No I told him over a year ago I didn't think OS/2 was for
AR> him.  He just gets a wild hair up his butt every few months, then
AR> pulls Linux or OS/2 off the shelf and goes through that silly cycle
AR> again, always ending up with M$. 

We gotta give him credit for being persistent and consistent..;-) He does
indeed like to play with his systems, we have been kidding him for years
regarding this haven't we?  And his grasp of the whole thing in general is
exceptional.

I sure wish he would rid himself of the M$ Virus. <chuckle>

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
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From: Charles Gaefke                                    26-Oct-99 12:04:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 15:36:09
Subj: Re: Confirmation Needed

LP> I just want to confirm that if I copy a file from an OS/2 32 bit
LP> formated drive to removable media (eg. zip disk or floppy) that those
LP> files can be used by DOS & if I copy a file from a DOS disk to the OS/2
LP> drive that OS/2 can read it.

    It all depends on how the diskette is formatted.  Normal floppy diskettes 
can only be FAT.  So you don't have to worry about that.

    ZIP disks, OTOH, can be formatted HPFS.  If they are, OS/2 will be able to
read them, DOS will not.


C. Gaefke
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From: Charles Gaefke                                    26-Oct-99 12:06:27
  To: Andy Roberts                                      29-Oct-99 15:36:09
Subj: Re: M$ "screw you" FAT32

AR> I would appreciate any suggestions in detail that I can forward to him to
d

    It sounds like the OS/2 IDE drivers are at fault.  I've seen this type of 
problem when OS/2 can not read the drive properly.

    In fact, I had this problem when trying to install Warp 4 GA right after 
it was released.  IBM Tech had no clue what was wrong.

    A couple fixpacks later they officially released a patch for reading IDE 
drives on secondary channels.


C. Gaefke
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From: Charles Gaefke                                    26-Oct-99 12:07:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 15:36:09
Subj: Re: Swap Question

LP> Am wondering if I can make a logical partition just for the swap file(s)
LP> & point the swap setup to it.

    You can but I wouldn't advise it.  Swap files tend to grow.. and if you 
don't make the partition big enough, and your swap file runs out of space, bad
things happen (tm). :)


C. Gaefke
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From: Darin McBride                                     28-Oct-99 09:15:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 15:36:09
Subj: Y2K Question

 LP> Me again. Want to confirm that when I Y2k Warp 3, the Win code will be
 LP> Y2ked as well.  Or do I have to install the MS fix?

The WinOS2 code will be fixed, too.

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From: Jack Pfisterer                                    28-Oct-99 05:05:00
  To: Dan Egli                                          29-Oct-99 15:36:09
Subj: Re: NumLock

 DE> Every time OS/2 Boots, it turns off the numlock. I like the
 DE> numlock on but I hate turning it on for each session.

 DE> Is there something I can tweak in the config.sys or somewhre
 DE> that will leave the numlock ON?

You are questioning IBM's opinion that your NUMLOCK should be off?

No, there's nothing in OS/2 to tweak for it; but there are some
TSR utilities about that do a pretty good job of it.  What I use
is from the WILLUTIL package of OS/2 utilities by Will E. Rose,
1218 Leith Ave., Waukegan, IL  60085

I've been using it for three or four years, so don't know if that
address is still good.  I think I got the shareware version from
MUST HAVE software archives, but you may have to search around.

Here's a bit from the docs:

  Numlockd.exe controls the NUMLOCK key in the PM session.  This
  includes all PM applications, and all windowed OS/2 VIO applica-
  tions.  It will not interfere with windowed DOS sessions, or
  seamless WINOS2 sessions.  NUMLOCK control for full-screen OS/2
  sessions is provided by WILLUTIL.EXE.  NUMLOCK control for DOS
  and WINOS2 sessions is provided by NUMLOCK.EXE.

  Numlockd.exe is the next generation of NUMLOCK technology.  The
  problem with previous implementations of NUMLOCK control stems
  from the way OS/2 handles virtual keyboards.  When switching
  between full-screen sessions and PM, the NUMLOCK key may loose
  synchronization in the PM session.  Numlockd overcomes this
  problem.

  What Numlockd does is to watch the PM keyboard for activity on
  the NUMLOCK key.  If anything (An application, the Session Man-
  ager, or the user's finger) tries to turn the NUMLOCK key off,
  Numlockd turns it back on.  (If you like to play tag with your
  computer, repetedly hit the NUMLOCK key and watch Numlockd turn
  it back on.)

  Once it's started, you can completely ignore it.  It uses only
  6KB or RAM, and it runs at a special priority to ensure compat-
  ibility with screensavers, as well as those pesky seamless-
  windows sessions with idle-detection disabled.

  When used in conjunction with WILLUTIL.EXE for OS/2 and
  NUMLOCK.EXE for DOS, Numlockd will keep your NUMLOCK key on all
  the time, come hell or high water.

Shows that the problem is a bit more complex than one would expect,
doesn't it?

Jack P.

 
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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    29-Oct-99 00:28:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      29-Oct-99 15:36:09
Subj: dos games under Warp 4

Hello Linda,

25 Oct 99 13:38, Linda Proulx wrote to Holger Granholm:

 HG>> First thing is that you do have the same settings in the OS/2
 HG>> autoexec.bat that are required in the DOS autoexec.bat.

 LP> Can a batch file be made that starts the DOS program with the settings
 LP> needed and quits when the program quits?  Eg, the only time a driver
 LP> is used but don't want it to take envirionment space always.

Even better. In the DOS settings for the session, you can specify any batch
file you want to be that session's "autoexec.bat". In addition, there are
properties you can set for each session that mirror a lot of the things you'd
normally set in config.sys, notably a section for device drivers. If you want
a driver loaded for every DOS session, system-wide, load it in config.sys. If
you need a device driver onlyu in specific DOS sessions, enter it in their DOS 
properties.

Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Murray Lesser                                     29-Oct-99 20:01:00
  To: George White                                      29-Oct-99 20:01:00
Subj: W 4 difs.

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-25-99, George White to Andy Roberts)

Hi George--

 GW>> There is only one retail version of Warp 4.

 AR> Actually there are several, as you and Linda have seen from other
 AR> msgs.  And now that I think about it there is 1 more version, that
 AR> no one else mentioned in this thread.  The Academic Version, which
 AR> comes without the Mic-HeadSet.

GW>I'm not sure what is still available in the USofA, but over here the
  >only version readily available is the standard, full version. The
  >"upgrade" version was (is?) exactly the same as the full version,
  >just a lower price on initial release. I have never seen an Academic
  >version listed anywhere over here.

gw>I don't count Warp Server 4 as a Warp 4 version, it's something else
  >entirely. It's a hybred version as it's really Warp 3 + server stuff
  >misnamed for marketing reasons as version 4.

GW>There _is_, however, another version of Warp 4 that has not been
  >mentioned at all in this thread. It was a Devcon special version
  >without WinOS2 built in and only supplied to registered OS/2
  >developers via a Devcon subscription immediately after Warp 4 GA
  >(Devcon 10 or 11?). I've got it here somewhere among the hundreds of
  >CDROMs stacked around the place...

    There were two versions of Warp 4 distributed with DevCon (both
licensed!).  The first one (distributed in 1996) did not include WinOS2,
but did include the Device Driver Pak.  The second one, distributed with
Release 2, volume 2, dated June 1998, was the full version including the
WinOS2 stuff, but no Device Driver Pak.  I have never been able to find
the BonusPak on either (although the 1996 version insisted on its label
that it did include the BonusPak).

    There is also Workspace On Demand (BlueBird).  I suppose this is a
version of Warp 4, because it accepts the Warp 4 FixPaks :-).  (See, for
example, the README.1ST for FixPak 10.)  However, I guess this isn't a
"retail version" because (according to the most recent IBM Software
catalog I have) the latest version of WSOD is available only through an
IBM Passport Advantage contract (a bulk purchasing agreement).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     29-Oct-99 20:14:01
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  29-Oct-99 20:14:01
Subj: File Systems

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-28-99, Leonard Erickson to Ian Moote)

Hi Leonard--

 LE> Well, there *is* one reason for HPFS on removable media. Long
 LE> filenames. At least until and unless OS/2 gets support for Win95
 LE> style long file names.
 LE>
 LE> I'm sure someone is going to mention using ZIP or some other
 LE> archiver. Many of the files I'm putting on the ZIP disks are things
 LE> I want *direct* access to. Not access thru an archiver.

    You can format Iomega ZIP diskettes HPFS, complete with long file
names, if you insist and are willing to live with the restrictions. (See
the online manual that came with your OS/2 driver.)  It is a nuisance,
and you lose about 3 MB of file space, but it most certainly is
possible.  However, you can't put HPFS on floppies, because if you could
there wouldn't be any usable file space left :-(.  All this is assuming
that you have a good reason to use long file names.  I don't, because my
serious computer usage is done from the command line, where long file
names are a nuisance.

 IM> OS/2 keeps track of long filenames on removable FAT drives. I just 
 IM> double-checked: I had a file on floppy named "JIM". I renamed it,
 IM> using  WPS, to "Jimbo a-logo!.blobbo.txt". Checking on my DOS laptop,
 IM> the  filename is now "JIMBO_A-.TXT", but it still comes up as "Jimbo a-
 IM> logo.blobbo.txt" on OS/2. [:)

LE>That's nice. I'd like to be able to go one step farther and assign a
  >*specific* shortname to a file without losing the long name. Even if
  >it used up another directory entry. Then we'd be able to keep old
  >programs happy indefinitely and still use long filenames. Unix can do
  >this, I just forget the command.

    Ian is trying to tell you not to confuse the names shown for a file
on a floppy drive when using the DIR command with the name of that file
as known to the Work Place Shell.  After you have copied or moved a file
to a floppy (using the WPS to preserve the long name in the EAs), the
system will rename the floppy _directory_ entry for the file to an 8.3
format.  If you don't like that name, you can rename the directory entry
for the file on the floppy to any 8.3-format name you want, from the
command line.  (You must use the command-line to do the renaming; if you
rename the file from the WPS, the name in the EAs associated with that
file will also be renamed to the 8.3 value you just assigned to it.)
Whether or not you rename the file, displaying it with the WPS will show
the long name, rather than the short name.  When you copy or move the
file back to the HPFS partition (using the WPS), the long name (recorded
in the EAs) will be restored to the HPFS directory entry.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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