
                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 09-Oct-1999 to Friday, 15-Oct-1999

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From: John Thompson                                     08-Oct-99 09:32:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             09-Oct-99 00:08:21
Subj: A BIG sort...

In a message to Leonard Erickson, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote re: A BIG
sort...

LE> 4OS2 has been available for years. I'm running it on this system.
 
RB> I ask for *updating*, not availabilty.
RB> 
RB> 4OS2 is good, all know this, but JPSoft stopped with 4OS2?

4OS2 v3.02 was released April 1999.  AFAIK, JP Software is still 
actively updating 4OS2.


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From: Peter French                                      09-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: Frits Spieker                                     09-Oct-99 00:00:00
Subj: Free lunch *is* over

On 1999-10-07, Frits Spieker wrote to Peter French on message number 481;

FS>
FS> *what* updates?
  Without refreshing my memory from the SC page I can think of:  Netscape 2.02
4.4 and 4.61, TCPIP 4.1, NS plugin, Java 1.1.6, 1.1.8 (best performer of any
INTEL VM) and I'm sure a couple of others.  But how about the page at:
http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fixnews.html#thes
where I just got (FREE) the latest version of the memory management tool
THESEUS/2.
  A cut&paste from that page (for the last 2 years) shows the following FREE
support given to Warp users by IBM.  May I remind you that the fixes and
advanced features also apply to the 8? year old OS/2 v3 - with other OS's
you'd
have been forced to upgrade (how many times)- NOT for FREE I assure you.

 New version of Theseus released for Supported Warp    1999/10/07 [NEW]
 Versions
 FixPak's FP 12 for Warp 4 and FP 42 for Warp 3
 Released                                              1999/10/01
 JFS fixes for Warp Server For e Business              1999/08/31
 Notice of FixPak for Netscape 4.04 Users              1999/08/19
 OS/2 FixPak 11 and 41 Reissue, New Base Device Driver 1999/09/16 [UPDATE]
 FixPak, and Y2K implications
 End Of Fee Based Service Announcement For Specific
 Products                                              1999/04/26
 FixPak 10 released                                    1999/02/26
 Corrective Service Facility disks                     1999/02/26 [UPDATE]
 FixPak 40 released                                    1999/02/10
 Year 2000 Corrections included in OS/2 FixPaks        1999/05/25 [UPDATE]
 FixPak 39 released                                    1998/12/04
 Lan Fixpak IP08528 Updated                            1998/11/17
 Lan Fixpak IP08525 withdrawn from distribution        1998/11/09
 FixPak 9 Released                                     1998/11/11 [UPDATE]
 Clock Problems in FixPaks                             1999/05/07 [UPDATE]
 New Function in FixPak 38                             1998/10/13
FS>
FS> Sure. And fools still think there is a pot of gold at the end of the
rainbow.
FS>
  You are a prickly little sucker aren't you?  Rant all you want, I'm
comfortable that IBM has provided me with superior support for a product that
continues to show the value of working with a professional vendor.
FS> Vriendelijke groet,
  Yep, I guess you can fool some of the people some of the time......


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From: Peter French                                      09-Oct-99 00:00:01
  To: Rolf Behringer                                    09-Oct-99 00:00:01
Subj: Hammer&Screwdriver

On 1999-10-08, Rolf Behringer wrote to Peter French on message number 486;
  Hello Rolf,
RB>
RB> Run this REXX script and reboot:
RB>
RB>    say "Success"

  Thanks a stack - the last line says it all - and your support is very
appreciated. I'll keep that small REXX script with your permission!


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From: Peter French                                      09-Oct-99 00:00:02
  To: Bat Lang                                          09-Oct-99 00:00:02
Subj: Netscape Communicator

On 1999-10-07, Bat Lang wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara on message number 479;
  Hi Bat,
BL>                                                   So far I have two new
BL> icons on my desktop, "DTClip" and "DRG-TXT". I tried dragging that URL,
BL> to the former, but it didn't wind up in the clipboard,
  You don't need to fuss with either.  DTClip is a clipboard like object that
has some great new properties.  If you drag from close to text on a nodal
window - such as the saving location from NS, it will pick up that text and
the
mouse pointer should change to show that has the text is in tow.  Just
dropping
the text on the window information bar - that coloured bar at the top of your
application window, should move the text in tow to the DTClip which will pop
up
to display what has been captured.  The great thing is that you can continue
to
D&D and the DTClip will save all these efforts until its time to import that
into an editor for further text formatting.
  Bat, do yourself a favour and read the read-me.  I find a "new" feature in
3.1 is Pickup and Drop - just *GREAT*!
Alt-MB2  (selected text)
- - - - -
Ctrl-Alt-MB2  (all text)
- - - - -
p.s. this is the output dragged off the DragText properties window and dropped
on the coloured window title bar!
BL>                               and "DRG-TXT". I tried dragging that URL,
  You should have the executable (DragText v3.1) DRGTXT31.EXE on your desktop,
and that needs to have been setup and then run - i.e. it has to be memory
resident for these functions to occur.  I have mine in my startup folder to
start at run boottime.  If it is running and you DLMB on the object, the
properties will open for you to change any of the ways it works.  Hope this
helps!


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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         06-Oct-99 19:45:11
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: E-Mail servers??

 RT> Are there any free e-mail servers for OS/2 Warp3 Connect? 

Do you mean an SMTP server?  I don't know about free, but Hethmon Brothers
sell one.  The advert for it is (or was when I last looked) at the top of
every message on WarpCast and in the TEAMOS2 echo.  (-:  

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 09:34:22
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: Over ?!  It's only just *started* ...

 ST> [...] and also, you wouldn't be able to call it OS/2.  

 JdeBP> Yes, but would one actually want to do so in the first place ?

 RW> I think OS/2000 sounds kinda kool   :}

True, but I think that any company wanting to name an operating system should
not make the mistake that Microsoft made of including the year number in the
release.  

For Microsoft it wasn't a mistake, because Microsoft actually *wanted* the
outcome that resulted.  Microsoft wanted its operating systems to date rapidly 
so that people would upgrade every couple of years or so.  Indeed, several
internal Microsoft documents that have been made public point to the fact that 
Microsoft wants to move to a subscription model, or at least as near to it as
possible, so that people effectively pay yearly for using Microsoft Windows. 
Although the plan for doing so directly was shelved, choosing to market
operating systems as "this year's model" is a way of doing so indirectly. 
When faced with buying "Windows '95" or "Windows 2000" in the year 2000, which 
one will the naive consumer buy ?

But one really does have to have the sort of monopoly power that Microsoft has 
in order to cause such a move not to be a mistake.  One also has to be careful 
with shipping schedules.  Microsoft very nearly slipped with Windows 95, and
"Windows 97" was hastily renamed "Windows 98" when it was realised that the
original two-year schedule wasn't going to be met.

Naming something "OS/2000" places two burdens on whomever develops it.  First, 
it has to be shipping in the year 2000.  Developing an operating system is a
colossal task, however, and one is likely to be embarrassed (and pilloried in
the advocacy echoes) if "OS/2000" didn't arrive until the final quarter of the 
year 2000 (for example).  Second, it means that in 2001 one has to start all
over again, both with marketing and with development.  Simple common sense
requires that after the year 2000, the 2000 portion of the name must change,
because otherwise sales will fall off as the name becomes dated.  But this
places a burden on development since it consequently requires that "OS/2001"
have new features that make the upgrade worthwhile, or else again one will be
pilloried in the advocacy echoes, this time for producing an upgrade that the
cynics would paint as nothing but a shallow ploy to get people to pay out all
over again.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 09:34:24
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: OS/2 by any other name ...

 RW> I think OS/2000 sounds kinda kool   :}

Choosing a name is the *final* thing that one does, anyway.  I've seen far too 
many projects bogged down by the simple question "What are we going to call
it?" before any development whatsoever is done.  This is why large software
companies have working names (remember "merlin" and "aurora" ?).

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 09:48:28
  To: Kenneth Abrams                                    09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

 KA> Now, my current ISP recently sent us *all* an email that detailed a
 KA> series of steps for going through a Win95 network setup and checking
 KA> all of the various server settings. Nowhere did the message explain
 KA> the intent of these checks and changes, or what was actually to be
 KA> accomplished. I pretty much figured it out, but they clearly were
 KA> behaving under the assumption that *everyone* was running Win9x and
 KA> needed no further information. For that matter, even the original
 KA> setup information I was given consisted of pictures of the various
 KA> Win9x setup dialogs. No nice neat summary of the server addresses, I
 KA> had to read through several pages to find the various ip's and phone
 KA> numbers scattered through their instructions.

I was surprised by one of the free ISPs here in the U.K..  Despite the fact
that it too presented all configuration information on its support pages in
terms of pictures of the Windows dialogue boxes (What are they going to do
when Microsoft changes them?), and assumed throughout that one was running
DOS-Windows 9x, at the end of the sign-up process one is presented with a web
page that lists, in simple text-based tabular format that can be printed on
one side of A4 and archived for safekeeping, all of the necessary
configuration information for one's system, including PAP user ID and
password, POP3 user ID and password, the telephone number(s) to dial, the
names of the HTTP proxy, NNTP server, SMTP server, and the IP address of the
primary DNS server.

It was very simple to enter all of that information into OS/2's Dial Other
Internet Providers utility.

  JdeBP 

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From: Andy Roberts                                      08-Oct-99 18:52:12
  To: Holger Granholm                                   09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

 Holger Granholm,

07-Oct-99 21:02:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev
 HG> In a message dated 10-04-99, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Nick Andre:
          Subject: OS/2 on old hardware

 CV>> 2) Use LXLite 1.21 to compress DLL's and execs

 HG> Where can that program be found?

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Lxlt121.Zip                     06-07-97         393,453
    LXLITE
    This is a free OS/2 compression program which can be used to decrease
    the size of .EXE, .DLL (and other files).  Compression of .EXE files of
    60% is common, although the highest compression will result in programs
    that can't be used on OS/2 versions prior to Warp.  Its command line
    driven (thank GOD!) and fairly simple as in most cases the defaults can
    be used.  The latest version I have seen is "LXLT121.ZIP" (version
    1.2.1), and as it is so hard to find I have provided a copy.
    In rare cases I have seen it produce .EXE files which fail to run.  You
    would have to assume that its also possible to produce faulty ones that
    run.  So I suggest testing of any changes before being used on critical
    systems and if you have seen "weird" occurrances, try the product again
    (without being compressed to help isolate the cause).
    Note that there is also an IBM tool called REPACK which also packs file
    although its not as easy to use and does not compress as well.
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You can FREQ that from me or I'll gladly File Attach it to E-Mail.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: George Fliger                                     08-Oct-99 06:56:23
  To: Holger Granholm                                   09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

On 6 Oct 99 06:17pm, Holger Granholm wrote to George Fliger:

 HG> In a message dated 10-03-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to
 HG> Holger Granholm:

JP>Hobbes has a limit on the number of anonymous users that can connect
JP>simultaneously.  If you are using an FTP client that treats any
JP>error response from the PASS command as "password is wrong", then it
JP>will have been seeing the "too many anonymous users" message from
JP>the FTP server and treating it as a password error.

 HG> Hello George (and Jonathan),

 HG> Finally I got the connection to work. I tried first the
 HG> suggestions by you to no avail.

 HG> After having found the hobbes.txt file in the FTBrowser
 HG> directory (see my message to Jonathan) I experimented further.

 HG> Finally after having put a hyphen in front of my password I
 HG> made a successful connect with hobbes ftp.

 HG> Below are excerpts from the file hobbes.txt:

>hobbes FTP server (Version wu-2.4(2) Thu May 4 12:16:33 MDT 1995) ready.
>USER anonymous
>Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
>PASS ********
>If your FTP client crashes or hangs shortly after login, please try
>using a dash (-) as the first character of your password.  This
>will turn off the informational messages that may be confusing your
>FTP client.

 HG> There we have it.

Great!  Glad you finally got on.

>NMSU has no affiliation with Walnut Creek, makers of the Hobbes OS/2 CD-ROM.

 HG> That is cdrom.com, ain't it ;-)

It's a mirror site.

>You are user 58 out of a possible 200

 HG> And this is what Jonathan mentioned about the number of users.

Seems they've dropped the total number of concurrent logins.  I seem to
remember it used to be 256.

 HG> Thanks to both of you for the suggestions and clarifications.

You're quite welcome.

George


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From: Peter French                                      09-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: Will Honea                                        09-Oct-99 00:00:00
Subj: FP12 and file dialogue

On 1999-07-28, Will Honea wrote to Peter French on message number 125;
  Hi Will,
WH> Peter French wrote to All on 07-28-1999
WH>
WH> PF>   Running Post Road Mailer, I have found that the file navigation
WH> PF> window that opens when one is attempting to attach a file to an
WH> PF> e-mail, sometimes does not show all the directories which I know to
WH> PF> be physically on the disk.
WH>
WH> I ran into the same problems with PRM.  I solved the folder problem by
WH> deleting the .nix files and re-defining the folders -

WH>                                            I have one other
WH> oddity with PRM:  It refuses to see one of my accounts as
WH> current when it starts up!  The other 3 just press right on
WH> but this one account causes a popup asking for the in
WH> basket to use if it was current when I shut down.
WH>
  I've seen you in the JStreet echo and I assume you have "kinda" switched to
JStreet (as I have) due to the problems with PRM and FP11.  The good news is,
that FP12 fixes the problem.  I noticed that the date and time stamp for
folders was updated when they were accessed under FP11.  Under FP12 this does
not happen any more and PRM does not loose its folder count.
  I also noticed the problem with (one of) the account(s) that has focus, not
opening when RPM is restarted.  This I fixed by zapping both the INI files in
the root directory of PRM
\prmsys.ini
\postroad.ini
and replacing them from a backup - pre-FP11.  I assume they were modified
during the stay of FP11 and somehow got corrupted.  The focus account now
opens
as advertised!


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From: Will Honea                                        09-Oct-99 11:29:00
  To: Peter French                                      09-Oct-99 11:29:00
Subj: FP12 and file dialogue

Peter French wrote to Will Honea on 10-09-1999

PF>   I've seen you in the JStreet echo and I assume you have "kinda"
PF> switched to JStreet (as I have) due to the problems with PRM and
PF> FP11.  The good news is, that FP12 fixes the problem.  I noticed
PF> that the date and time stamp for folders was updated when they were
PF> accessed under FP11.  Under FP12 this does not happen any more and
PF> PRM does not loose its folder count. 

I'm looking at JStreet.  It's still has a ways to to go in some areas
but at least it's being worked on.  The guy doing the work seems to
have made a LOT of progress lately - score one for open source.  I
still rely on PRM for most of what I do, tho.  With the Theseus fix and
the directory attribute cleanup FP12 has gotten things back on track.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Bob Wright                                        07-Oct-99 19:27:26
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

Greetings, Jonathan...

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard hastily said to Bob Wright:

 JdBP> The _TIME command_ is not generally spelled 'D' 'A' 'T' 'E'.  (-:

<blush...>....

I *actually* did try both of them, then blithely reported the wrong one...

 JdBP> Here's the help text message for the TIME command from IBM's 16-bit CMD
 JdBP> as supplied with OS/2 Warp 4.0.6 :

And here's the "correct" Warp Connect one...

F:\]time /?
        Use the TIME command to display or change the system time or to reset
the time on your computer clock.

        Syntax:
          TIME: [hh:mm:ss]
        where:
          hh    Specifies the hours.
          mm    Specifies the minutes.
          ss    Specifies the seconds and the hundredths of seconds, separated
                by a period or comma.

        Type TIME without parameters to display the current time setting and
        the prompt for a new time.  Press enter to keep the same date.
                                                                 ^^^^^
                                                                ( This is NOT
a "typo", it is verbatim... Even IBM's editors aren't perfect I guess..)

        Type TIME with parameters to enter the time without being prompted by
the system.

 JdBP> As I said, documenting the option is as far as IBM's 16-bit CMD goes.
 JdBP> It doesn't actually implement it.  The 32-bit CMD does, however:

 JdBP>         [C:\]ver
 JdBP>         CMD 0.1.18   OS/2 2.40.0
 JdBP>         [C:\]time /n
 JdBP>         Current time is: Sat 1999-10-02 10:56:36 +0100
 JdBP>         [C:\]

F:\]ver
The Operating System/2 Version is 3.00
F:\]time /n
SYS1003: The syntax of the command is incorrect.


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        07-Oct-99 19:46:14
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Greetings, Jonathan...

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard hastily said to David Randall:

 JdBP> Providers" supplied as standard with OS/2.  Indeed, since the
 JdBP> information, once entered, is contained in %ETC%\TCPOS2.INI, they could
 JdBP> even automate the process of entering the configuration information
with
 JdBP> a relatively trivial REXX script.

It's also much more conviently available in the "User Object" that sits in the 
IBM Internect Connection folder...


 JdBP>   But it's easy to see how AT&T could,
 JdBP> from being told how OS/2 customers connected to IBM's service,
 JdBP> mistakenly deduce that it *would* have to supply its own dialler.

Given the apparent level of knowledge held by their so-called technical
support..


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        07-Oct-99 20:50:05
  To: Murray Lesser                                     10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: It's not quite over

Greetings, Murray...

 Murray Lesser hastily said to Bob Wright:


 ML>     According to Object Toolkit/2,

                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  3rd-party utility???  If so, where can 
one find it?


 ML> the User ID object is in
 ML> tcpip\dll\adv.dll.  According to a "dir g:\tcpip\dll\adv.dll" this file
 ML> has not been updated since 3/17/97!

Mine's even weirder... I did a search, then looked at the settings for the one 
it located... also tcpip\dll\adv.dll.  This shows it as being created 12-31-97 
(when I installed on this box), last changed 10-26-1995 (!) (I think this is
the date on which I finally decided to quit fiddling with the two-bit locals)
and last accessed 10-7-1999.

I'm going to have to have a look at the setup on the 486 and see what IT
says..

 ML>  However, the User ID object was
 ML> updated to the new addresses the first time I signed on to AT&T Business
 ML> Net.

Same here... Oct 3, IIRC..

 BW>> I guess newer isn't necessarily always better..

 ML>     That "guess" has long been known in professional computing circles.

Given that that's where I work, as well... In fact, I've gotten in a few
discussions at work about why we don't want to be on the "bleeding edge"..

 ML> The standard adage is "Don't be the first kid on the block with a new
 ML> system (or application program)."  I am running Warp 4, FP 5.

cf Warp Connect, FP 40... I wound up there because of Y2K, plus I messed
something up that the fixpak seemed to resolve...

 ML>     The original Warp 4 bugs I noticed seem to have been taken care of
 ML> by FP 5.  (After Warp 3, FP 5, IBM issued a "manufacturing refresh" of
 ML> Warp 3 that included FP 5; many Warp 3 users have never applied a FixPak
 ML> to it!)

I quite happily ran the original release with no fixpaks of any kind... by the 
time I found out what they were, FP 5 was nowhere to be seen... I did mess
around with FP 9 and one or two others, but I always wound up either
re-installing or backing out...

 ML>  Later FixPaks are mostly to accommodate new hardware (which I
 ML> don't have), to correct bugs introduced in previous FixPaks, and to make
 ML> new bugs.  One has to evaluate carefully whether one wishes to be cursed
 ML> with the side effects of the few "new function" additions in FixPaks.

After my first one, I did learn to wait  until there seemed to be a reason to
put one on... I seem to recall something about FP26 being required for one of
the versions of Star Office...so it was the first one that stayed.  40 will
also stay..

        -- Bob

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From: Andrew Belov                                      07-Oct-99 21:10:09
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Herbert!

(Sun Oct 03 1999) Herbert Rosenau wrote to Nick Andre...

 NA>> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30
 NA>> meg free?

 HR> No. For that you should install OS/2 1.x. OS/2 1.x would run on each 386
 HR> with 2 MB or more but OS/2 2.x MUST have 8 MB or more

 HR> OS/2 WARP is optimised for I486. It would run on a 386 with 12 MB or
more.

Let's make some clarification:

OS/2 v 1.3 runs on 286s with 2.5M required (4M recommended) for PM
OS/2 v 2.0 runs on 386s with 3M required and 6M recommended
OS/2 v 2.1 runs on 386s with 6M required and 8M recommended
OS/2 v 3.0 runs on 386s with 4M required and 8M recommended
OS/2 v 4.0 runs on 486s with 6M required and 12M recommended (the kernel does
not require 486 but some components reportedly need it)
OS/2 v 4.5 runs on 486s with 12M required and 32M recommended

These facts apply to typical setup with 3xBox/MVDM, HPFS.IFS, PM and WPS (if
applicable) but without MMPM/2, network services and so on...

                                    Sincerely yours - Andrew

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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                08-Oct-99 10:20:07
  To: John Hentsch                                      10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Re: Installing win98 with OS/2 v4?

On Stardate 06 Oct 99  22:48:52, John Hentsch Communicated the Following
To All, Regarding Installing win98 with OS/2 v4?...

JH> The question I have is what do I need to do in order to prevent win98
JH> install from wiping out OS/2's boot manager and OS/2 installation on
JH> the D: drive in the extended partition on a 6 gig hard drive (I used
JH> the newest IDE drivers).

First, just hit F8 when Win goes to boot, go to "command prompt only", run 
FDISK and set the boot manager partition active.  Then BM will work again.

Second, what did Windy98 do to the extended partition (drive D:)?  If it was
formatted HPFS, I'll bet it's still there as Windy98 can't read HPFS ;-)

JH> As usual for all the times I've installed Warp v4.x, I'm having trouble
JH> getting a non-Sound Blaster 16 sound card to work with Warp v4.0. It

Then I guess it's time to get one of those Yamaha-based $15 sound cards.  They
even come with OS/2 drivers!

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   09-Oct-99 11:05:02
  To: Andy Roberts                                      10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:

 AR> Lxlt121.Zip                     06-07-97         393,453

<...>

 AR> You can FREQ that from me or I'll gladly File Attach it to
 AR> E-Mail. 

(Waving hand...  :-)

To incoming%tanstaaf@frackit.com,  please.

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From: Curtis Johnson                                    06-Oct-99 07:59:15
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: OS/2 Sales

 -=> Quoting Stewart Honsberger to Jack Stein <=-

 JS>> Yeah, right... The truth is not slander, nor libel, far as I know.
 
 SH>> You don't know much about the law either, I see.
 
 JS> I guess thats slander on your part.

 SH> No, I was voicing an observation based on what I'd seen.

	He's right.  In U.S. law, truth is an absolute defense against
a libel or slander suit.  (It isn't against an invasion of privacy
suit, but that hardly applies here.)
	There are a few other defenses--the plaintiff would have
to prove the defendants knew that the allegation was false, had
malicious intent, etc.
	Frankly, I don't see it here.
 
 JS> out my dictionary... lets see, The Ameriacn Heritage Dictionary of 
 JS> the English Language says:
 
 JS> support:... 6) "To provide for or maintain by supplying with money or 
 JS> other necessities."  7) To aid the cause of by approving, favoring, 
 JS> or advocating."
 
 SH>> Judging by this statement, and the above quoted statement,
 SH>> I'm assuming that you don't understand the libel laws.
 
 JS> I'm not a damned laywer, if thats your question.

 SH> Neither am I. I simply know what libel is when I see it.

	Problem is, you're seeing it where it isn't.  
 
 SH>> "I don't believe that IBM has sufficiently supported OS/2"
 SH>> is an opinion. "IBM NEVER supported OS/2, not for one day."
 SH>> is a libelous claim. 
 
 JS> When given in a Fido conference, by a nobody, it is an opinion.  Only 
 JS> a dolt would think otherwise.

 SH> Oh, so as long as you post slander and/or libel in a FidoNet
 SH> conference, it's not against the law? I thought you weren't a lawyer?
 
	There are good reasons why businesses rarely bring libel suits.

	To bring this on-topic, as someone who's interested in
trying Warp or Merlin when the budget permits, is there a good web
site for compatability issues with momboards and other hardware?




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From: Alan Hess                                         07-Oct-99 22:14:28
  To: all                                               10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: win plug-ins

With the installation of Netscape/2 4.61 over 4.04, I seem to have lost my
windows plugins.  How do I get them back?  Thanks.  *adh*

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       08-Oct-99 18:08:00
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Installing win98 with OS/

Some senseless babbling from John Hentsch to Mike Ruskai
on 10-08-99  06:13 about Installing win98 with OS/...

[snip]

 JH> I'm considering the partitioning strategy. Should I install OS/2 in
 JH> the primary partition or on a logical drive in the extended partition?
 JH> I think I'll try to install in the primary partition. The advantage -
 JH> or disadvantage - is that the two OSs won't be able to see each
 JH> other's partition.

If you install OS/2 on an HPFS partition, Win98 won't be able to see it
regardless.  I favor a logical partition, since it allows for consistent
drive lettering across the two OS's, provided you have all shared
partitions between the two.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... Good thing about day baseball games: Pre-empting Rush Limbaugh.

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From: Russell Tiedt                                     07-Oct-99 19:19:17
  To: Holger Granholm                                   10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: StarOffice?

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 HG> In a message dated 09-29-99, Russell Tiedt said to Andy Roberts: 

 HG> Hi Russell,

RT>What I did was give the URL to a freind who has an ISDN connection
RT>and a CD-Writer, he charged me less than $9.95 by rough estimate to
RT>download and write to CD-ROM versions for  Linux, OS/2 and WIN95/98
RT>WINNT.

 HG> I wonder what your friend would charge to mail a similar CD to
 HG> Europe? Or has somebody else in Europe done the same thing and
 HG> could offer it? 

He will copy mine for R35 (South African Rands) what postage is likely to be
is any ones guess, probably triple that, then maybe not quite.

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     07-Oct-99 19:57:12
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 CV> Hello Russell!

 CV> 01 Oct 99 22:57, Russell Tiedt wrote to All:
 RT> Are there any free e-mail servers for OS/2 Warp3 Connect?
 CV>     Weasel by Peter Moylan (latest is weasel085.zip on hobbes) 
 RT> HTTP servers would also be welcome.
 CV>     Xitami. (www.imatix.com)

Thanks will look.

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  09-Oct-99 09:57:02
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Write Our Own Version

 -=> Quoting Rich Wonneberger to Gene Tucker <=-

 > Well I was reading on one forum just recently and one user has
 > proposed that we write our own version or OS/2 or an OS that will
 > run OS/2 apps.  Personally I found this intriging. My question is
 > does anyone here think that it can be done.

 RW> The only thing impossible is skiing through a revolving door.

 RW> The question is how long will this take.  Linux was not written over
 RW> night.  It took time to develop, test, debug, and release. 

Yeah. Linux being a version of Unix, it is almost 30 years old. It's
silly to expect an OS that's only a third of the age (and that once had
MicroSloth involved) to be anywhere *near* as robust.
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From: Mike Roark                                        08-Oct-99 21:36:10
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Linux

Hello Stewart!

Thursday October 07 1999 19:12, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Sean Dennis:

 SH> have the support loaded for hardware I don't have? Why shouldn't I
 SH> have the choice to later add support for hardware I may get?).

 SH> When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and it
 SH> wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed. With Linux, it

Well, not quite. When you boot OS/2 and the little white blob appears, hit
ALT-F1 and select to boot to the command line. Then you can edit anything to
your hearts content. You can also boot to straigt VGA from this.



 SH> If my video drivers under Linux ever were screwed up, it just means
 SH> I'm limited to the console until I can get it fixed. When I do
 SH> eventually replace them with working drivers, I don't even have to
 SH> re-boot for them to take effect.

See Above.. ;-)

 SH> I could go on, but it would start to sound like I'm bashing OS/2,
 SH> which I'm not. The only expendable OS on my hard drive is Win'98. ;>

I expended mine.. ;-) I'll take that gig and put it to good use somewhere
else..

 SD>> I'll keep the BBS on my OS/2 machine


 SH> Also great for gating Internet bandwidth between the two machines. If
 SH> you have an internet account, it's a great tool. When you're
 SH> configuring something on one machine, you can have a HOWTO or
 SH> newsgroup posting or... open on the other monitor.

I do this with my OS/2 machine right now.. But I really need that new computer 
to put linux on. ;-) This dual boot is really starting to bother me..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 4h 37m 50s 156ms (en).

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   09-Oct-99 16:57:10
  To: all                                               10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: installing some win3 apps

I tried to install a couple of win3 apps here for my grandkids...

The first one complained about not having a sound driver loaded and refused to 
run.  So I stuck the cdrom for this ESS1869 card in there,  ran something or
other,  and it apparently has the driver in there fine,  and the program ran
okay.

Next attempt at running a package install complained that it couldn't find the 
sound card at all,  and suggested I run "setup" rather than "install" so I
could configure things manually.  The only choices in their menu were for some 
SB cards I didn't have,  and it didn't work at all in that it showed me no
highligh on the "menu" that let you pick an i/o address,  so I have no idea
what it was assuming.

The best part,  though,  comes after that -- I gave up on that app,  and when
I exited it found that my desktop was getting trashed.  After closing a window 
(say,  minimizing the one that was firing up the network stuff) I didn't get
the normal screen background like usual,  but black instead.  And all of my
icons weren't displaying properly.  A reboot did NOT fix this!

Finally got back to where I was before,  sort of,  by rebooting,  hitting
alt-F1,  and picking one of the backup settings,  the latest of three that
were in there.  Unfortunately I'd turned off desktop archiving back in May...

There appears to have been some changes made to config.sys and I'm going to
sort this out later when I get the chance.  In the meantime,  does anybody
have any thoughts on what happened here?  I thought this system was more
robust than this.

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From: Peter Knapper                                     10-Oct-99 12:11:23
  To: Will Honea                                        10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: system clock?

Hi Will,

PK> Rule of S/W upgrades #271 - "For each and every upgrade 
PK> there will be an associated downgrade and period of 
PK> pain."............;-)

 WH> That's what Murray refers to a 'the bleeding edge'.  See my reply to
 WH> Mike R. re. a new release of Theseus - I really use that program a lot
 WH> so this was good news, indeed.

I think I spent long enough at the bleeding edge with the V2.0, 2.1 and 2.11
betas, these days I try and wait for the blood to gell a bit before I move in
and sample the wares.....;-) I saw the update notice for Theseus and expected
a few of you folks to be pleased, but Theseus is not a product I have spent
more than a day looking at, having successfully managed to remove myself from
the code level part of S/W development about 4 years ago. 

I guess Theseus is more appropriate to those closely aligned to the physical
code level, fortunately 99% of everything I have needed in the past 4 years
has so far been handled by REXX, and I dont really consider writing REXX as
coding, its more "logical" level type work. Using REXX to achieve a result is
more related to just putting "tools" into a particular sequence to obtain a
solution. If anyone can demonstrate that Theseus can be useful for REXX work
then it may be time for me to give up on REXX as well.........;-)

Cheers..........pk.


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From: Dan Egli                                          09-Oct-99 17:48:18
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: SoundBlaster AWE64

Last try folks.

I need someone to explain how I can install my AWE64 in OS/2. I know some
people will mention a driver set written by a 3rd party, but any drivers
you say I need to install MUST be Freqable in zone 1, or on the internet.
I cannot call international.

Any help is appreciated!

... Chicken Little was right.

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From: Jack Stein                                        08-Oct-99 07:44:03
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: File Managers

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> Are you talking about FC/2 here?

 RCB> Yeah. :)

 JS> Again, I want to control exactly
 JS> what the OBJECTID name is for the object I'm creating.  Not the title
 JS> name of the icon, the objectid name.  

 RCB> Forget my other msg then. :-)

 RCB> But... What the purpose of an exact object id?

 RCB> It is good for which situations?

An ObjectID is required for manipulating the object with CREXX.  If you use
tools such as my GetSet command script that I can use to search, create, open, 
delete, create back up scripts and so on for objects, it's required that the
object has an objectid, and it's nice to be able to control the name of the
objectid when you create the thing.  When you use templates to create an
object, or copy an object, you don't even get an object ID, let alone control
it's name.  

There are a number of tools that require an objectid, for example, I have a
script that periodically scans my system to determine if the BBS is active or
not, and restarts it if it crashed, and scripts that shut it down before
opening an internet session, then waits until the internet session ends then
automatically loads the BBS.  ObjectID's are an intregal part of all this, and 
they are a good way to open DOS sessions with all the settings that the object 
requires when you can't be there to click on an icon.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        08-Oct-99 08:03:12
  To: Rachel Veraa                                      10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: OS/2 Support

Rachel Veraa wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 RV> In a message to Roger Nelson, Jack Stein wrote:

JS> supporting OS/2, right damn next to WIN 3.1.  In less than a year,
JS> WIN would have been crushed as useless junk, and everyone would have
JS> been running OS/2.  

JS> IBM DID NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN!  

 RV> As you know perfectly well, IBM *couldn't* let it happen. 
 RV> Microsoft threatened to withhold licenses from OEMs that
 RV> preloaded or bundled OS/2, threatened to withhold
 RV> development tools from software producers who ported to
 RV> OS/2, and threatened to cut off IBM altogether if they
 RV> continued to press OS/2 -- and they increased IBM's price
 RV> for Windows %500 just to show they meant business.  Big Blue
 RV> would've been out of the PC business altogether in six
 RV> months. 

I doubt that Rachel.  IBM was the second largest distributor of software at
the time, far ahead of MS.  MS needed IBM to support their products.  Someone
here correctly said that IBM could have purchased MS OS's at street prices and 
still supported any customers that wanted that product, they already charge an 
arm and a leg for their support, the cost of the OS is almost meaningless in
these charges.  Also, the practices MS was threatening with were not very
supportive of the Sherman Anti Trust laws, and IBM is/was painfully aware of
how that could effect MS's ability to control the market with this type of
tactic. 

                                              Jack 
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  09-Oct-99 21:02:09
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: Over ?!  It's only just *started* ...

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-07-99 ***
> the outcome that resulted.  Microsoft wanted its operating systems to 
> date rapidly so that people would upgrade every couple of years or so. 

MS and IBM are both in business to make money.  Developing updates costs them
money.  Adding new features costs them money.  Granted, I would not want to
buy a major upgrade every 2 or 3 years, but I wouldnt mind paying something
for minor updates.


*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-07-99 ***
> year's model" is a way of doing so indirectly.  When faced with buying 
> "Windows '95" or "Windows 2000" in the year 2000, which one will the 
> naive consumer buy ?

The normal Windy user?? First, buy 3.1 because it was in clearance.  Buy 95
becaue its newer.  Then 98 because their neighbor mentioned it.
All in a 6 week period.  :}

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-07-99 ***
> Naming something "OS/2000" places two burdens on whomever develops it. 
> First, it has to be shipping in the year 2000.  Developing an operating
> system is a colossal task, however, and one is likely to be embarrassed

I realise it wouldnt be easy.  The first release might be similar to Warp 1.0
and have a few bugs.  But what major package ever works with v1.0??
Also, I would include any V?.0 release in this.  Novell 4.0 didnt cut it, as
advanced as as they are.  I doubt if Linux 1.0 was much better.

At this time, it may be to late to develop a major op system for release next
year.

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-07-99 ***
> will fall off as the name becomes dated.  But this places a burden on 
> development since it consequently requires that "OS/2001" have new 
> features that make the upgrade worthwhile, or else again one will be 

Now, if upgrades were priced right it would work.  The company could recover
development costs and keep the user happy.  Maybe not every year, but every
couple years or so.

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


... OS/2 2.0 VirusScan - Windows 3.1 found: Remove it? (Y/y)
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  09-Oct-99 22:00:20
  To: Andrew Belov                                      10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old hardware

*** Quoting Andrew Belov to Herbert Rosenau dated 10-07-99 ***
> OS/2 v 4.0 runs on 486s with 6M required and 12M recommended (the 
> kernel does not require 486 but some components reportedly need it)
> OS/2 v 4.5 runs on 486s with 12M required and 32M recommended

Andrew,

OS/2 4.5??
What is the .5??

TIA
Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


... We've got to get there before the hammer falls.
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From: Adam Cameron                                      09-Oct-99 20:54:04
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: windows and os/2

yo.. aight, here is my problem.

right now, I have 2 hds.. partitioned into 5 hpfs partitions. since windows 
has to be on the first hd, I moved the os/2 partition to be the first 
partition on the 2nd hd.. and installed windows on the first HD with fat32. 
So, OS/2 should still boot as drive C, right? well, whenever I try to boot 
to os/2's partition, it just sits there.

what am I doing wrong?

thanks in advance!

+(cheba:cheba@bytespeed.com:icq4201056)+

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From: Russell Tiedt                                     09-Oct-99 21:09:27
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: Fixpacks?

Hi,

I have just installed Fixpack 9 on a Warp 4 system using QF11 and CS_141.exe
with out problems.

When I try do the same with a Warp 3 Connect (Red box) I get a no product
selected error message using the same files. Fixpack I am trying to install is 
38 (XRUW038). Is this the correct Fixpack for my version of Warp Connect?

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     09-Oct-99 21:15:29
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: Write Our Own Version

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to Gene Tucker:

> idea is to raise captital to buy OS/2 off of IBM. I find that a feasble
> idea
> coupled with perhaps an open source code for OS/2. We could evolve it 

 RW> If every sysop using it kicked in 10 grand we probably wouldnt have
 RW> enough to buy the source code.  If it got leaked out by mistake,
 RW> that would be another story.  :}

Well, you would be able to finance a whole lotta FIDO software for Linux using 
that, about the only area where Linux lacks. (VBG)

 RW> If it was to happen, I would think OS/2000 would be a kool name. 
 RW> :} 

It would. :-))

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     09-Oct-99 07:21:22
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: Objects

* Reply to a message in Sysop.

Eddy Thilleman wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 ET> 01 Oct 99 23:18, Russell Tiedt wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RT>> Does this include Adaptec 1542B SCSI cards.

ET>> Maybe, you should check it out. I don't have such a SCSI card.

RT> To my regret the only SCSI devices I own are a very suspect 2X CD-ROM
RT> drive and a unknown tape drive.

 ET> What do you mean by 'very suspect' ?

As in that it will read a CD-ROM and them won't want to read the same CD-ROM
a little later, sometimes it is possible to copy large files of of the CD-ROM
other times not. In local parlance (slang) you can almost say that suspect
used as I did above means unreliable, also to a degree untrustworthy. :-)) 

Go well,

Russell 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     09-Oct-99 22:39:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 RT> Are there any free e-mail servers for OS/2 Warp3 Connect? 

 JdBP> Do you mean an SMTP server?  I don't know about free, but Hethmon
 JdBP> Brothers sell one.  The advert for it is (or was when I last
 JdBP> looked) at the top of every message on WarpCast and in the
 JdBP> TEAMOS2 echo.  (-:  

Yes SMTP, does not have to be fancy or secure, need for short period while
convicing supplier of mother board on WINNT /Linux box that it is faulty and
then get replacement fitted. This leaves me with my OS/2 box as only Internet
capable system.

Anyone else have any info on the above?

Go well,

Russell 
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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      08-Oct-99 15:11:05
  To: ALL                                               10-Oct-99 13:31:00
Subj: Networking

I reinstalled OS/2 today. I can't seem to get past the network
configuration though... On the initial install, warp failed install
fialed and didn't install any networking.

I installed the networking with a "No adaptor" setting for the NIC and
was able to get the TCPIP and file sharing services installed. However,
when I tried, once again, to install the driver for my NIC, Warp
install failed again. The error reads:

OS/2 Warp installation Failure
FAILNAME failed with error number 1608.

Should I install fixpack to get Warp to work with my NIC?

jh -
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From: David Randall                                     10-Oct-99 09:30:16
  To: Jack Stein                                        10-Oct-99 17:03:04
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Jack Stein wrote in a message to David Randall:

 DR> I've never attempted to use their WorldNet service, but maybe
 DR> they're just saying that they're never going to write any OS/2
 DR> software for their users.

 JS> It just amazes me that all these ISP's that deny OS/2 exists,
 JS> refuse to make any effort to provide the slightest support for
 JS> OS/2 users. How hard would it be to carry a setup file for
 JS> OS/2, anyway?  One little text file on what parameters to plug
 JS> in where in DOIP is all they need.  Instead, they just deny
 JS> OS/2 exists in their world.

I guess they're used to the typical Windows user...if the setup program
doesn't do it, they're lost.



      
                          
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From: Jan van der Heide                                 08-Oct-99 07:32:18
  To: John Angelico                                     10-Oct-99 19:23:11
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

 JA> Hi Jan.

 JA> I don't think it's a REXX script, although I have been wrong
 JA> before <g>! 

 JA> I use 
 JA> SET DESKTOP=C:\OS2\Desktop 
 JA> in my CONFIG.SYS

There were two ways, the above and a REXX version that actually updates the
INI file.

Gegroet, Jan
Holland User Group OS/2, Team OS/2 NL, Certified Systems Expert OS/2 Warp 
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From: Murray Lesser                                     10-Oct-99 17:13:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        10-Oct-99 17:13:00
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-07-99, Bob Wright to Murray Lesser)

Hi Bob--

 ML>     According to Object Toolkit/2,

BW>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  3rd-party 
  >utility???  If so, where can one find it?

    No, it's an IBM OS/2 utility that came with both the Warp 3 and Warp
4 Developer's Toolkits.  AFAIK, the only way to get a current toolkit is
to buy a relatively recent IBM OS/2 compiler, or to have an "Advanced"
category DevCon subscription.

 BW>> I guess newer isn't necessarily always better..

 ML>     That "guess" has long been known in professional computing
 ML> circles. 

BW>Given that that's where I work, as well... In fact, I've gotten in a
  >few discussions at work about why we don't want to be on the
  >"bleeding edge"..

    See tagline :-).

 ML> The standard adage is "Don't be the first kid on the block with a
 ML> new system (or application program)."  I am running Warp 4, FP 5.

BW>cf Warp Connect, FP 40... I wound up there because of Y2K, plus I
  >messed something up that the fixpak seemed to resolve...

    By the time Warp Connect came out, the Warp 3 FixPak 5 code was
already integrated into the OS.  All the Warp 4 Y2K fixes that I thought
I needed were taken care of by Warp 4 FixPak 5.  In fact, the original
REXX file-date year bug was easier to work around (to get the four-digit
year) than was the "fix" for it; the workaround for the "fix" would work
only with file dates earlier than 2080 :-(.  I see from the FP 10 README
that a later "4-digit" file-date year option has been added to the
STREAM function, but I don't need it since (in 1995) I wrote a small
"extended function" DLL (in C) for REXX that returns both the full file
date (month, day, and four-digit year) and the number of bytes devoted
to EAs, for use in my "extended directory" REXX program.

 ML>  Later FixPaks are mostly to accommodate new hardware (which I
 ML> don't have), to correct bugs introduced in previous FixPaks, and to
 ML> make new bugs.  One has to evaluate carefully whether one wishes to
 ML> be cursed with the side effects of the few "new function" additions
 ML> in FixPaks.

BW>After my first one, I did learn to wait  until there seemed to be a
  >reason to put one on... I seem to recall something about FP26 being
  >required for one of the versions of Star Office...so it was the
  >first one that stayed.  40 will also stay..

    BTW, the doomsayers in our audience will be unhappy to note that the
Warp 4 entry in the most recent IBM "Software" catalog (Fall 1999) again
promises that "defect support is available through January 1, 2001."  (I
interpret "defect support" as "FixPaks.")  The same statement appears in
the listing for PC DOS 2000.  This gives those who like to preach "doom
and gloom" another year in which to proclaim that the falling sky is
immanent.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     10-Oct-99 17:29:01
  To: Will Honea                                        10-Oct-99 17:29:01
Subj: Theseus3

Hi Will--

    A little background:  I've been using a (registered) shareware
performance monitor application (OSRM2, by C.O.L. Systems) since 1995.
In a way, OSRM2 is a miniature Theseus: It can do some, but not all, of
the stunts one can do with the big one!  In order for it to do a Working
Set analysis, one had to add a couple of files from Theseus2:
THESEUS2.SYS and THESEUS0.DLL.  While C.O.L. Systems was willing to sell
me IBM's Theseus2 at the time for $75, I found what was supposed to be
Theseus2 on Pete Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS.  So I downloaded it, and
found that I couldn't run it because it was for an SMP system and my
hardware has only one processor :-(.  But the two files required by
OSRM2 worked fine.  I can make a Working Set analysis of my home-grown
OS/2 programs.

    Well, there was a lot of recent talk on this echo about an updated
Theseus, and this morning I found Theseus3 in the weekly "new files"
e-mail I get from this BBS.  So I downloaded and installed it.  It seems
to work as advertised, but I'm not sure because the usual on-line (.INF
file) documentation isn't very helpful for a newcomer, and I haven't had
time to do enough experiments to be able to read between its too-few
lines.

    However, OSRM2 doesn't work with the Theseus3 files.  So I now have
two different THESEUS?.SYS device drivers called out in my CONFIG.SYS
file, and two different THESEUS?.DLL files, one in each directory.  The
two utilities work fine together, multitasked under OS/2.  I can do a
Working Set analysis of the running Theseus3 with OSRM2, but I haven't
figured out (yet) how to do the reverse: a Working Set analysis of OSRM2
using Theseus3 :-(.

    My current question is whether it is possible to update (modify)
OSRM2 so that it can use the Theseus3 files.  C.O.L. Systems' BBS hasn't
answered its telephone for well over a year, although someone is still
paying the fee to keep it alive.  (I now get one of those Bell-Atlantic
sales-type intercepts after a suitable ringing interval, trying to sell
me a service that will notify the called party to call me back, someday.
 I wonder how it would work on a BBS that hasn't answered its phone for
over a year?  I do know that Bell-Atlantic would charge me for the
attempt!)

    While I can live with what I have, any suggestions you (or anyone
else) might offer as to how to update OSRM2 would be appreciated.  I
might even be coerced to do a little assembly language patching, if
absolutely necessary.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      10-Oct-99 10:34:28
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Oct-99 22:26:21
Subj: Installing win98 with OS/

On 10/08/1999 in OS/2 (F) Mike Ruskai wrote to John Hentsch:

MR> If you install OS/2 on an HPFS partition, Win98 won't be able to
MR> see it regardless.  I favor a logical partition, since it allows
MR> for consistent drive lettering across the two OS's, provided you
MR> have all shared partitions between the two.

What I ended up with is using System commander. I have OS/2 and win98
hidden from one another. They are both on the primary partition anyway.
I still  have a couple of gigs let and I wanted to install Warp v3
(just for the heck of it). My next step is setting up a maintenance
partition.


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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      10-Oct-99 10:38:09
  To: JEFFREY J. COUNSIL                                10-Oct-99 22:26:21
Subj: Re: Installing win98 with OS/2 v4?

On 10/08/1999 in OS/2 (F) Jeffrey J. Counsil wrote to John Hentsch:

JJ> Second, what did Windy98 do to the extended partition (drive D:)?
JJ> If it was formatted HPFS, I'll bet it's still there as Windy98
JJ> can't read HPFS ;-)

OK, Jeffery, System Commander took care of win98 getting out of hand:)

JJ> Then I guess it's time to get one of those Yamaha-based $15 sound
JJ> cards.  They even come with OS/2 drivers!

I went to OS/2 device driver site and got v3.02 (I think) from there.
It didn't work. However, I followed the link to Yamaha's site and there
was a later version that went right in.

My next task is to get Warp to see and use a MS win98 network. I'm having
trouble getting Warp to take the DNIS driver for my network card. the
Warp NIC install program states it's copying the files, then the window
closes and the nothing has changed. It's a stumper so far. I have the
OS/2 Administrative Survival Guide and I'll have to try to figure out
what the problem is. Unfortunately, the book is written for Warp v3.0.



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From: Tobias Ernst                                      10-Oct-99 15:47:03
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     10-Oct-99 22:26:21
Subj: Write Our Own Version

Hallo Russell!

 RT> Well, you would be able to finance a whole lotta FIDO software for 
 RT> Linux using that, about the only area where Linux lacks. (VBG)

You already know http://husky.sar-gmbh.com? It's a complete suite of native
(i.E. Squish message base, and so on) Fido software for Linux, and I am using
it on 2476/419 (an IP node on a DEC Alpha with Tru64 Unix). 

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: Ian Singer                                        10-Oct-99 08:37:00
  To: Curtis Johnson                                    10-Oct-99 22:26:21
Subj: OS/2 Sales

-> He's right.  In U.S. law, truth is an absolute defense against
-> a libel or slander suit.  (It isn't against an invasion of privacy
-> suit, but that hardly applies here.)

It is NOT in Canada so he could be charged here. Saying someone is a
crook, even if true, is a chargable offence if they can prove it caused
them a loss of income.

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From: Don Guy                                           10-Oct-99 13:09:23
  To: Rolf Behringer                                    10-Oct-99 22:26:21
Subj: Hammer&Screwdriver

Greetings Rolf!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Rolf
Behringer to Peter French was intercepted...

 PF>> the dreaded Hammer and screwdriver
 PF>> (WPObjData) Data File is back in my Templates folder.

 RB> Run this REXX script and reboot:

I've been plagued by this annoyance for a while now, though in my case it was
the Feature Install kit which caused it.

Thanks for posting that script--worked like a charm!

-Don



... One man's Windows are another man's walls.
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From: Holger Granholm                                   09-Oct-99 21:09:00
  To: John Thompson                                     10-Oct-99 22:26:21
Subj: /DBUFF

In a message dated 10-07-99, John Thompson said to Holger Granholm:

Hi John,

JT>Isn't the AHA-2842 a VLB card?  If so, it shouldn't suffer the 
JT>bus-mastering issues that plague ISA cards, since the VLB bus is 
JT>already a 32-bit bus.

Correct, but I have tried everything else, I think!
The only ISA cards I have in the machine are two modems.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Will Honea                                        10-Oct-99 19:56:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     10-Oct-99 19:56:00
Subj: Theseus3

Murray Lesser wrote to Will Honea on 10-10-1999

ML>     My current question is whether it is possible to update
ML> (modify) OSRM2 so that it can use the Theseus3 files.  C.O.L.
ML> Systems' BBS hasn't answered its telephone for well over a year,
ML> although someone is still paying the fee to keep it alive.  (I now
ML> get one of those Bell-Atlantic sales-type intercepts after a
ML> suitable ringing interval, trying to sell me a service that will
ML> notify the called party to call me back, someday.
ML>  I wonder how it would work on a BBS that hasn't answered its phone for
ML> over a year?  I do know that Bell-Atlantic would charge me for the
ML> attempt!)

Everything I have runs jsut fine with the new version (Theseus/3) if I
load only Theseus5.sys from config.sys and have only the Theseus0.dll
and Theseus1.dll from the new package in the libpath.  All the access
is thru these dll's which in turn use the .sys driver to gather info. 
The ordnals in the DLL's look to macth the old ones so I would guess
that only the internals have changed.  Try 'hiding' all traces of the
Theseus/2 versions and see how you make out.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Andy Roberts                                      10-Oct-99 09:13:02
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   11-Oct-99 00:26:02
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

 Roy J. Tellason,

09-Oct-99 11:05:05, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Andy Roberts
 RJT> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:
          Subject: OS/2 on old hardware

 AR>> Lxlt121.Zip  06-07-97  393,453

 AR>> You can FREQ that from me or I'll gladly File Attach it to
 AR>> E-Mail.

 RJT> (Waving hand...  :-)

 RJT> To incoming%tanstaaf@frackit.com,  please.

You should have that by now.

BTW, I didn't notice until I sent that file, that it was 1 of about 50 files
I have in my "REXX OS/2 by Dennis Bareis" file area, which mostly came from:
http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~dbareis/index.htm

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Gene Tucker                                       11-Oct-99 21:09:00
  To: Ray Hyder                                         11-Oct-99 21:09:00
Subj: It'S Over. Period.

In a message dated 10-07-99, Ray Hyder said to Gene Tucker:


RH> 
RH> * Reply to a msg from Gene Tucker @ 1:270/101 on 10-06-99        
RH> 
 GT> Stardock just tried that as of the 18th of September. IBM said 
 GT> NO quite simply.  
RH> 
RH>"NO quite simply" as in: 
RH> 
RH>1) "Duh, no" 2) "NO" 3) "NOt enough $$$ offered" 4) "NOw 
RH>way my big customers will stand for this" 5) All of the 
RH>above 
RH> 
RH>Answer 5.  A company that would give up the consumer desktop with nary a 
RH>wimper to the likes of MSoft AND sell off its global Points 
RH>Of Presence on the Internet to AT&T is not intellectually 
RH>based on any market known on this planet. 
RH> 
RH>Rumor:  The Fishkill NY Plant will soon be retrofited to 
RH>produce VERY thin cookies.  IBM has discovered cookies are 
RH>an integral part of Internet communications.  A sub-micron 
RH>cookie is possible in this high technology manufacturing 
RH>facility.  
RH> 
RH>

Well Brad Wardell did say that they would most likely do gardening equipment
before they do a new Warp 5 Client. what is any different that anyother of the
zillion bad decisions they have made reguarding OS/2. It would be nice if they
would sell it to someone who wants to make something out of it.
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From: Gene Tucker                                       11-Oct-99 21:16:01
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  11-Oct-99 21:16:01
Subj: Write Our Own Version


RW>The only thing impossible is skiing through a revolving door.

RW>The question is how long will this take.  Linux was not 
RW>written over night.  It took time to develop, test, debug, 
RW>and release.

Yes and I have tried it in the early days as early as 94. It did not impress
me 
as far as polish and finish. It did impress me with it's power though. Linux
still impresses me. but it is is rather crude. Now if the WPS got ported to
Linux by IBM or someone else that would make it actually better than OS/2
because the SIQ is not a problem anymore.



RW>If every sysop using it kicked in 10 grand we probably 
RW>wouldnt have enough to buy the source code.  If it got 
RW>leaked out by mistake, that would be another story.  :}


There are rumors that there is source code ready to be put out on the
Internet.
But I have not seen it anywhere and it is a rumor.




RW>If it was to happen, I would think OS/2000 would be a kool name.  :}

RW>While its being developed, maybe a 68040 version could be done as well as 
RW>Pentium versions.

anything that did not remind one of IBm would be a good name.
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From: Gene Tucker                                       11-Oct-99 21:33:04
  To: Murray Lesser                                     11-Oct-99 21:33:04
Subj: Theseus3

In a message dated 10-10-99, Murray Lesser said to Will Honea:


ML>Hi Will--

ML>    A little background:  I've been using a (registered) shareware
ML>performance monitor application (OSRM2, by C.O.L. Systems) since 1995.
ML>In a way, OSRM2 is a miniature Theseus: It can do some, but not all, of
ML>the stunts one can do with the big one!  In order for it to do a Working
ML>Set analysis, one had to add a couple of files from Theseus2:
ML>THESEUS2.SYS and THESEUS0.DLL.  While C.O.L. Systems was willing to sell
ML>me IBM's Theseus2 at the time for $75, I found what was supposed to be
ML>Theseus2 on Pete Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS.  So I downloaded it, and
ML>found that I couldn't run it because it was for an SMP system and my
ML>hardware has only one processor :-(.  But the two files required by
ML>OSRM2 worked fine.  I can make a Working Set analysis of my home-grown
ML>OS/2 programs.

ML>    Well, there was a lot of recent talk on this echo about an updated
ML>Theseus, and this morning I found Theseus3 in the weekly "new files"
ML>e-mail I get from this BBS.  So I downloaded and installed it.  It seems
ML>to work as advertised, but I'm not sure because the usual on-line (.INF
ML>file) documentation isn't very helpful for a newcomer, and I haven't had
ML>time to do enough experiments to be able to read between its too-few
ML>lines.

ML>    However, OSRM2 doesn't work with the Theseus3 files.  So I now have
ML>two different THESEUS?.SYS device drivers called out in my CONFIG.SYS
ML>file, and two different THESEUS?.DLL files, one in each directory.  The
ML>two utilities work fine together, multitasked under OS/2.  I can do a
ML>Working Set analysis of the running Theseus3 with OSRM2, but I haven't
ML>figured out (yet) how to do the reverse: a Working Set analysis of OSRM2
ML>using Theseus3 :-(.

ML>    My current question is whether it is possible to update (modify)
ML>OSRM2 so that it can use the Theseus3 files.  C.O.L. Systems' BBS hasn't
ML>answered its telephone for well over a year, although someone is still
ML>paying the fee to keep it alive.  (I now get one of those Bell-Atlantic
ML>sales-type intercepts after a suitable ringing interval, trying to sell
ML>me a service that will notify the called party to call me back, someday.
ML> I wonder how it would work on a BBS that hasn't answered its phone for
ML>over a year?  I do know that Bell-Atlantic would charge me for the
ML>attempt!)

ML>    While I can live with what I have, any suggestions you (or anyone
ML>else) might offer as to how to update OSRM2 would be appreciated.  I
ML>might even be coerced to do a little assembly language patching, if
ML>absolutely necessary.

ML>    Regards,

ML>        --Murray
ML><Team PL/I>
ML>

Murry I talked to Pete Norloft about this about a year and a half ago noone
had
heard from C.O.L. for a year at that time. I think he was an in home business
and I believe I had heard the the man who ran the company had been in a car
accident. I won't bet the farm I got it all right here but I do know nobody
has
heard from this company for quite awhile.
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From: Dan Egli                                          10-Oct-99 17:09:06
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

 -=> Quoting Rich Wonneberger to Andrew Belov <=-

 RW> *** Quoting Andrew Belov to Herbert Rosenau dated 10-07-99 ***
 > OS/2 v 4.0 runs on 486s with 6M required and 12M recommended (the
 > kernel does not require 486 but some components reportedly need it)
 > OS/2 v 4.5 runs on 486s with 12M required and 32M recommended

 RW> Andrew,

 RW> OS/2 4.5??
 RW> What is the .5??

Probably referring to Warp Server for E Business. It's been misreported as
warp 4.1, 4.5, and 5.

... Engage brain before operating mouth

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From: Dan Egli                                          10-Oct-99 17:09:06
  To: Alan Hess                                         11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: win plug-ins

 -=> Quoting Alan Hess to all <=-

 AH> With the installation of Netscape/2 4.61 over 4.04, I seem to have
 AH> lost my windows plugins.  How do I get them back?  Thanks.  *adh*


If they were in different dirs (4.61 vs 4.04) then just copy the plugins dir
from 4.04 to 4.61

... I knew she was shareware the first time I laid eyes on her.

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From: Dan Egli                                          10-Oct-99 17:09:07
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: E-Mail servers??

 -=> Quoting Russell Tiedt to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <=-
 RT> Yes SMTP, does not have to be fancy or secure, need for short period
 RT> while convicing supplier of mother board on WINNT /Linux box that it is
 RT> faulty and then get replacement fitted. This leaves me with my OS/2 box
 RT> as only Internet capable system.

 RT> Anyone else have any info on the above?

I believe that Warp 4 ships with a version of Sendmail ported to Os/2. Look in
tcp/ip config.

... Father, forgive me... I've been caught using Windows...

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 16:40:01
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: long lines

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 15:07, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> I use bluewave 2.30 and you?

I use Golded/2 v3

RB> BW dont "trim" but the reading is more troubled & replies too.

Why don't you try Golded/2 or another reader? There are plenty of OS/2 message 
readers.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 16:58:02
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 15:07, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> I use wget to get files from internet, HTML- or other files,
ET>> http:// or ftp, doesn't matter, wget gets it all. I posted
ET>> messages with my

RB> But the wget need emx, nftp 1.41 need emx 0.9a
RB> & others programs dont run.

I just put the newest EMX DLLs in a directory which is in my libpath. I
haven't seen problems with programs demanding older EMX DLLs.

RB> I like native os2 soft... Much more bullet-proof.

Sure. :)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... "Bother", said Pooh, as he heard the trip wire click.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 17:00:15
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: help please?

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 15:07, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> limit (the higher the resolution the more video memory is needed,
ET>> the more colors are used the more video memory is needed), the
ET>> rest of the video memory can be used to store things like
ET>> textures etc. My video

RB> Which I didnt know, is "can" or "need" be for textures.

I don't understand your question. Or is this no question at all?

ET>> card has 8 MB video memory, I could expand that to 16 MB if I
ET>> needed to. But 8 MB is sufficient for 1280 x 1024 with 32-bits
ET>> color-depth.

RB> Resolution higher than it can be used on 15' monitor?

High quality 15-inch monitors can use up to 1024x768 with a stable picture but 
then everything gets too small to be usefull. 800x600 is useful on a 15 inch
monitor.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... Best windows configuration I've ever seen -> DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.*
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 17:06:18
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Need OS/2

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 15:07, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> Ok. (doubt: "IIRC" stands for what? :)

If I Remember Correctly

I've a textfile with such abbreviations, I will email it to you.
rcb@netdata.com.br is your email address?

RB> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:2048 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:CDEFG

RB> All partitions are hpfs.

That looks OK to me.

ET>> What harddisks do you have? Brand? SCSI? IDE? Capacity? Which
ET>> year is your BIOS made?

RB> HDs: 850MB & 6.4GB, Quantum IDE. And BIOS AMI of 97.

General rule: the older the mainboard BIOS, the less new devices like big IDE
harddisks can be used.

The mainboard BIOS is only used to start loading OS/2, until the OS/2 drivers
take over. So OS/2 bootpartitions need to be within the first 1024 cylinders
of the harddisk.

DOS relies on the mainboard BIOS.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 17:19:12
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: WarpFM newsletter

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 16:21, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> I don't know any more if I sent an email message or went to the
ET>> website http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/warpfm.

ET>> You could try by sending an email message to

RB> I go try the two ways.

Let us know how it goes

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 18:23:19
  To: John Angelico                                     11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

Hello John,

04 Oct 99 17:13, John Angelico wrote to Jan van der Heide:

JA> I don't think it's a REXX script, although I have been wrong before
JA> <g>!

Then you are wrong again, it is a REXX script. :)

JA> I use
JA> SET DESKTOP=C:\OS2\Desktop
JA> in my CONFIG.SYS

run this REXX script and you can remove (or REM) the set desktop= line from
your config.sys. Reboot to test it.

------------------------------------------------------------
/* recreate object ID of desktop */

call RxFuncAdd 'SYSLOADFUNCS', 'REXXUTIL', 'SYSLOADFUNCS'
call SysLoadFuncs
call SysSetObjectData SysBootDrive() || '\DESKTOP', 'OBJECTID=<WP_DESKTOP>'
------------------------------------------------------------

If you don't have a fixpak installed with the SysBootDrive function, you can
replace the SystBootDrive() function call with the drive letter of your boot
partition.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 18:32:19
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 15:07, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Bat Lang:

RB> Exist anyone way to copy&paste this url?

From within Netscape? From within Netscape Communicator v4 click with the
right mouse button on the link and choose "Copy Link Location", this copies it 
to the clipboard, then you can paste it in anything you want. I don't know if
Netscape v2 supports this click with the right mouse button to copy the link
location to the clipboard.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... How to make Windows faster ??  *Throw* it harder !!!
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 20:31:18
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Linux

Hello Stewart,

07 Oct 99 19:12, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Sean Dennis:

SH> When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and it
SH> wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed.

OS/2 itself is not GUI based.

You haven't tried running with SET RUNWORKPLACE= and/or PROTSHELL= REMmed out
or set to CMD.EXE? I haven't tried this, but I know you can do this. The WPS
is as much an application as any GUI on Linux.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 20:58:22
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Why is this?

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 15:07, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> Can you get or buy a cdrom with the fixpacks, so you don't have
ET>> to download the fixpacks again and again and again? That's a lot
ET>> cheaper and a lot faster than downloading the fixpacks over and
ET>> over again.

RB> It is a good idea.... :) Where to find this service?

BMT Micro in the USA (http://www.bmtmicro.com), Mensys in The Netherlands
(http://www.mensys.nl)

RB> What are they?

I don't understand this question.

They download and place the fixpaks on cdroms.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 20:59:27
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: File Managers

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 15:07, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> If interested, I post the links for you

No need to post those links.

RB> http://www.mp3bee.com

I can look there, but I'm falling behind (I've too little time).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 21:01:03
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

Hello Rodrigo,

06 Oct 99 15:07, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> But then how to recover? Now I am using it, but is nice to know.

There are a number of options, and ofcourse the easiest to use is the most
expensive and has the most
bells and whistles: the Graham Utilities and the Gammatech Utilities both have 
a program to backup and
restore the partition table and other vital parts - without knowing how it
works, you just have to know
how to use the program but that's not difficult, just carefully reading the
manual - among other
programs, highly recommended if you can afford it or if you can save money
until you can afford it.

Dfsee (www.fsys.demon.nl) is free to use, but it's not easy to use.

Disk editors can be used to save and restore individual disk sectors, but you
have to know how to do
that (this requires direct access to the harddisk and to the first physical
sector on the harddisk, there the primary partition table is located, linked
secondary partition tables point to logical partitions).

ET>> everything is installed directly from the cdrom. I think BMT
ET>> Micro has also such cdroms, you can check that out on
ET>> www.bmtmicro.com for example.

RB> I visited the site before, but looking for other thing.

RB> I dont see anything about FP. I go check after...

You can ask for a cdrom with fixpaks, I think?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: John Thompson                                     10-Oct-99 09:30:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: /DBUFF

In a message to John Thompson, Roy J. Tellason wrote re: /DBUFF

JT> Isn't the AHA-2842 a VLB card? 
 
RT> Yes,  I use one here.
 
JT> If so, it shouldn't suffer the bus-mastering issues that plague 
JT> ISA cards, since the VLB bus is already a 32-bit bus.
 
RT> *Some* VLB boards don't support bus-mastering cards,  apparently.

Yes, I have a VLB motherboard that doesn't seem to support 
bus-mastering.  But the AHA-2842 doesn't seem to work *at all* in 
that case (personal experience speaking; I have an AHA-2842A 
sitting on the shelf gathering dust...). The ISA/bus-mastering
issue makes memory over 16MB inaccessible, but the system still
works at least.


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From: John Thompson                                     10-Oct-99 09:30:00
  To: Rolf Behringer                                    11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Hammer&Screwdriver

In a message to Peter French, Rolf Behringer wrote re: Hammer&Screwdriver

PF> the dreaded Hammer and screwdriver
PF> (WPObjData) Data File is back in my Templates folder.
 
RB> Run this REXX script and reboot:
RB> 
RB> -- cut ------------------------------------------------------
RB> 
RB> /* dereg.cmd */
RB> /* REXX script to deregister the WPObjData class */
RB> 
RB> call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs'
RB> call SysLoadFuncs
RB> 
RB> if SysDeregisterObjectClass("WPObjData")
RB> then
RB>    say "Success"
RB> else
RB>    say "Failure"

Now, I've seen a lot of talk about the WPObjData class and nobody
seems to like it.  It's still registered on my system and I 
haven't noticed anything awful about it.  What's the problem and 
why do people want to get rid of it so badly?


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From: John Thompson                                     10-Oct-99 09:30:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: It's over?

In a message to Sean Dennis, Murray Lesser wrote re: It's over?

ML>     An early version of Star Office (called "IBM Works" at the time) was
ML> distributed (free) with the Warp 3 Bonus Pak. 

Actually, IBMWorks is the old "Footprint Works" application 
suite.  IBM bought Footprint shortly before Warp v3 was released 
and provided it free with both Warp v3 and v4 as a demonstration 
of what WPS integration could offer.  Although IBMWorks isn't as 
feature-rich as most current office suites, it is quite well 
integrated into the WPS, which is something StarOffice can't 
claim.  The sad thing is that all development on IBMWorks seems 
to have stopped.  I find it a quite capable package, especially 
on my laptop where resources are too limited to support something
like StarOffice.

BTW, StarDivision, the creators of Star Office, began in the mid 
1980's with a DOS word processor called "Star Writer."  it was 
quite well received, especially in Europe where it was long seen 
as a viable MS-Word contender.  In the early 1990's Star Writer 
was migrated to Windows and eventually evolved into the Star 
Office suite.


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From: John Thompson                                     10-Oct-99 09:30:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

In a message to Cyrill Vakhneyev, Holger Granholm wrote re: OS/2 on old
hardware

CV>    2) Use LXLite 1.21 to compress DLL's and execs

HG> Where can that program be found?

ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/lxlt121.zip


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From: George White                                      07-Oct-99 08:42:16
  To: Sean Dennis                                       11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

Hi Sean,

On 05-Oct-99, Sean Dennis wrote to Murray Lesser:

 SD>>> Besides, all of those computers you mentioned are based on old
 >>> chips.  OS/2 is based on the x86 set... as long as there's a x86
 >>> system around, it will run OS/2.

 ML>> I wish that people who try to quote history in this echo knew
 ML>> what they were talking about :-(.  No version of OS/2 would run
 ML>> on an 8086 or 80186 (practically nothing ran on the short-lived
 ML>> 80186).  Only OS/2 versions 1.x would run on an 80286, but not on
 ML>> any earlier x86. OS/2 versions 2.x and 3.0 would run on an 80386,
 ML>> but not on any earlier x86. Warp 4 and later require (as a
 ML>> minimum) an 80486.

 SD> OK, how many people you know that have a 80186?  I know my

Me! :-)
They are the CPU on intelligent comms cards I use.
The 80186 was specifically targeted at embedded systems. The
integrated peripherals are not generally suitable for the standard PC
architecture so you'll rarely find it except in embedded systems.

 SD> history.  I'd think that most people in this echo would know I was
 SD> talking about a 386 and above. Maybe next time I say something,
 SD> I'll break everything down to the lowest common denominator for
 SD> people like you who assume that I don't know what I'm talking

No need to go that far, but there are people around who, while they
know current versions of OS/2 require a 386 or better, don't realise
OS/2 1.x (x = 0 to 2) was written primarily by MS and required an
80286. OS/2 1.3 was primarily IBMs responsibility and was the most
stable of the 1.x versions.

 SD> about.  I've been involved with computers well over half my life
 SD> (and I'm only 27).  I know that OS/2 won't run on a 8086 or 80186.

However, that is still a short experience with them compared with some
of us here. I first learnt programming (in Algol) before you were born,
and started designing microprocessor hardware and programming it while
you were in junior grades, and there are quite a few with much longer
experience than mine in the echo.

 SD>  Please.  Don't insult me like that

You are taking insult where none was intended, there is no easy way
for us to judge your computer experience.

George

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From: Gord Hannah                                       10-Oct-99 21:39:08
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Fixpacks?

Replying to a message from Russell Tiedt 5:7106/23 to All,

About Fixpacks?, On Sat Oct 09 1999

RT> When I try do the same with a Warp 3 Connect (Red box) I get a no
RT> product selected error message using the same files. Fixpack I am
RT> trying to install is 38 (XRUW038). Is this the correct Fixpack for
RT> my version of Warp Connect?

I used FASTKICK to install all my fixpaks including 39 for Warp Connect,
worked like a charm.  If yu do not have the program send me email and I will
send it to you.XR_W039 was installed here, went in very well.

Am at present at fixpak 9 Warp4.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
-=Team OS/2=-
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From: Bob Wright                                        10-Oct-99 16:50:01
  To: Ruth Argust                                       11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Greetings, Ruth...

 Ruth Argust hastily said to Ian Moote:

 RA> Ian Moote wrote in a message to KENNETH ABRAMS:

 IM>> Yeah, okay, that's all well and good and I've read about your
 IM>> experiences previously in this echo. Can you tell me why OS/2 won't
 IM>> connect to AT&T's system? I don't understand that.

 RA> It does and will. The secret is that AT&T uses CHAP for connection but,
of
 RA> course, they don't tell you that part of it. The rest of the setup is the
 RA> same as for any other provider.

I presume that you're referring to the "Worldnet" variant?  The attglobal.net
setup still seems to use PAP... at least I haven't had to make any changes
other than just to server addresses to change over from ibm.net.


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        10-Oct-99 17:01:18
  To: Murray Lesser                                     11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: It's over?

Greetings, Murray...

 Murray Lesser hastily said to Sean Dennis:

 ML>     IBN made what it thought was a valid marketing attempt to push the
 ML> first Warp version (OS/2 3.0) to the SOHO market when that version was
 ML> first released (1994).  There have been many theories expressed on this
 ML> echo (including a grand conspiracy theory) as to why that effort was
 ML> abandoned.  I know little of the real story, but my own pet opinion is
 ML> that IBM finally learned that it doesn't know how to deal with a
 ML> nonprofessional individual user :-(.  I base this opinion, in part, on
 ML> those terrible 1994/5 TV ads for OS/2.

"Terrible".... being a bit charitable are we??  :)


 ML>     An early version of Star Office (called "IBM Works" at the time) was
 ML> distributed (free) with the Warp 3 Bonus Pak.

Not exactly... the early version of Star Office was distributed free as a beta 
from Stardivision in Germany... (I had betas of versions 3 and 4, and had been 
looking forward to its North American release, and was expecting to pay what
was necessary.. Imagine my pleasure when it got released as a "freebie")

The suite that was released with Warp as IBM Works was the same package as was 
on the Warp 4 bonus pak IIRC... Mine (from Connect) has copyrights from
Footprint Software (ISTR that it was originally referred to as "Footprint
Works", in fact), as well as IBM, MasterSoft, Halcyon and Houghton-Miffin some 
of which are dated as far back as 1983...


 ML>  Where else can you find a PL/I compiler for OS/2?  (US
 ML> list price $2,999, although I got the current v 2.1 from IBM for much
 ML> less!) \

Of course, you first have to WANT one... ;>

 ML>  I, too, use several shareware application programs (all
 ML> registered).  But very few large commercial concerns will use shareware,
 ML> largely because they want to be as certain as possible that the provider
 ML> of the software will still be around to fix it when.

Although just being high-priced "commercial" stuff doesn't always guarantee
that the provider will be around -- or, in some cases, interested in providing 
support..


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        10-Oct-99 17:14:19
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Over ?!  It's only just *started* ...

Greetings, Jonathan...

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard hastily said to Rich Wonneberger:


 JdBP>   But this places a burden on
 JdBP> development since it consequently requires that "OS/2001" have new
 JdBP> features that make the upgrade worthwhile, or else again one will be
 JdBP> pilloried in the advocacy echoes, this time for producing an upgrade
 JdBP> that the cynics would paint as nothing but a shallow ploy to get people
 JdBP> to pay out all over again.

Unless, of course, your company name is "Micro$oft"...

        -- Bob

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   11-Oct-99 09:40:28
  To: Andy Roberts                                      11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> (Waving hand...  :-)

 RJT> To incoming%tanstaaf@frackit.com,  please.

 AR> You should have that by now.

Got it,  and it's in the files section now.

 AR> BTW, I didn't notice until I sent that file, that it was 1 of 
 AR> about 50 files I have in my "REXX OS/2 by Dennis Bareis" file 
 AR> area, which mostly came from: 
 AR> http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~dbareis/index.htm

I would be quite happy to add more to the pile I have here now.  <g>

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   11-Oct-99 10:31:11
  To: George White                                      11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

George White wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

 SD> OK, how many people you know that have a 80186?  I know my

 GW> Me! :-)
 GW> They are the CPU on intelligent comms cards I use.
 GW> The 80186 was specifically targeted at embedded systems. The
 GW> integrated peripherals are not generally suitable for the
 GW> standard PC architecture so you'll rarely find it except in
 GW> embedded systems. 

Actually,  the reason for that,  as I understand it,  is the fact that
although Intel specified that certain interrupts were "reserved" for the
original 8086 and 8088 chips IBM went ahead and used them anyway,  making it
darn near impossible to use the '186 (and '188) chips in any sort of pc clone
hardware.

There was one machine out that used one of these,  as I recall -- the Tandy
2000.  But it never did sell all that well,  and I don't know how "compatible" 
it was.

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From: Sean Dennis                                       08-Oct-99 12:16:02
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Interesting...

Hello All.

Just a little note-I'd asked in here quite some time ago about if anyone knew
why my 2.1GB Samsung HD kept shutting down, even though I disabled all power
management in the BIOS and in OS/2.

I just (about ten minutes ago) downloaded DaniS506.ADD, slapped it in and
voila! no more hard drive shutdowns.  That is a VERY good thing for me as that 
HD shutting down was not only annoying, it caused the computer and bbs
performance to suffer greatly.

Just thought you all should know!

Later,
Sean

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From: John Angelico                                     11-Oct-99 19:55:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Computer History

On 05/10/1999, Sean Dennis said to Murray Lesser about It's over? (now
Computer History):

SD> Maybe next time I say 
SD> something, I'll break everything down to the lowest common 
SD> denominator for people like you who assume that I don't 
SD> know what I'm talking about.  I've been involved with 
SD> computers well over half my life (and I'm only 27).  I know 
SD> that OS/2 won't run on a 8086 or 80186.  Please.  Don't 
SD> insult me like that.
SD> 

Ahem, Sean. 

Just remember that there are people in this echo who have computer careers
longer than your entire time on this planet. :)

F'r instance, yours truly was programming assembler, COBOL and FORTRAN on
an ICL 1900-series mainframe before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye.

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au

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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     10-Oct-99 17:54:23
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Fixpacks?

Russell Tiedt wrote on 09 Oct 1999 at 21:09 to All:

 RT> Hi,

 RT> I have just installed Fixpack 9 on a Warp 4 system using QF11 and
 RT> CS_141.exe with out problems.

 RT> When I try do the same with a Warp 3 Connect (Red box) I get a no
 RT> product selected error message using the same files. Fixpack I am
 RT> trying to install is 38 (XRUW038). Is this the correct Fixpack for
 RT> my version of Warp Connect? 
Appearently you have no archive file from the previous QF. So have to delete a 
number of files. See the readme instructions for the files to be deleted.
Jaap 
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From: Mike Roark                                        10-Oct-99 20:52:00
  To: Dan Egli                                          11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: SoundBlaster AWE64

Hello Dan!

Saturday October 09 1999 17:48, Dan Egli wrote to All:

 DE> drivers you say I need to install MUST be Freqable in zone 1, or on
 DE> the internet. I cannot call international.

Check your email at the xmission site. I just sent the entire package to you.
It includes all the .htm files that explain how to install it and get it
working..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 3h 23m 10s 718ms (en).

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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Oct-99 13:26:00
  To: James Byrnes                                      11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

In a message dated 10-07-99, James Byrnes said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Jim,

JB>What version of FtpBrowser are you using?  I am using 1.71 and don't
JB>need to do the above.

I had to go back to v1.5 because 1.71 didn't show me any directory
listings after I had "upgraded". I do also have v1.55 here but can't
recall if I have ever tried it.

I did also once send an e-mail to Jason asking about v1.71 but never
got any reply.

JB>I looked for the hobbes.txt file you mention but could not find it.

I have also looked in all of the above mentioned versions and cannot
find that it has been provided with them. Dunno' where it has come from.
It looks as it would have come from Hobbes.

JB>A look in my readme shows this quote:

JB>- fixed a bug which confused FTP Browser when informational messages
JB>  posted by some sites contained an extra new line character.
JB>  A dash as the first character of the password is no longer needed
JB>  for Hobbes. (Directory -> Synchronize)

OK, now it works anyway.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Oct-99 13:26:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

In a message dated 10-08-99, Andy Roberts said to Holger Granholm:

 HG> In a message dated 10-04-99, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Nick Andre:

 CV>> 2) Use LXLite 1.21 to compress DLL's and execs

 HG> Where can that program be found?

AR>Lxlt121.Zip                     06-07-97         393,453

AR>You can FREQ that from me or I'll gladly File Attach it to E-Mail.

I would be very happy if you could attach it to an E-mail because it
would be very expensive to FREQ it from your system. It's a looooooong
distance call from here <BG>.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Oct-99 13:26:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: StarOffice?

In a message dated 10-07-99, Russell Tiedt said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Russell,

RT>What I did was give the URL to a freind who has an ISDN connection
RT>and a CD-Writer, he charged me less than $9.95 by rough estimate to
RT>download and write to CD-ROM versions for  Linux, OS/2 and WIN95/98
RT>WINNT.

RT>He will copy mine for R35 (South African Rands) what postage is

Would that be something around 10.00 USD?

RT>likely to be is any ones guess, probably triple that, then maybe not
RT>quite.

We'll have to find out. Usually CD's are mailed as letters.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Matti Palmstrm                                   10-Oct-99 17:50:21
  To:                                                   11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Netscape wont start after UK FP9

Hi!

I've heard about other who had problem with netscape after they had installed
a new FP but i can't remember what you could do about it. I've just installed
the UK FP9 on my UK OS/2 warp 4 system and after that neither netscap nor java 
will run as it should. Everything else seems to work (and netscape 2.02 works
fine).

Should i get a later FP or sacrifice a goat and try again?

/M

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From: August Abolins                                    11-Oct-99 12:38:03
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   12-Oct-99 00:19:04
Subj: installing some win3 apps

Hi Roy!

 RJT> I tried to install a couple of win3 apps here for my grandkids...

[...]

 RJT> There appears to have been some changes made to config.sys and I'm
 RJT> going to sort this out later when I get the chance.  In the
 RJT> meantime,  does anybody have any thoughts on what happened here?  I
 RJT> thought this system was more robust than this.

I would recommend that you prepare a separate DOS bootable partition for
Windows 3.1 purposes.  Install your Windows apps with a boot to "pure" DOS.  
Then, after making sure your Windows app and hardware function ok, boot to
OS/2 and "migrate" the Win apps you want.


 .aa.

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From: Rolf Behringer                                    11-Oct-99 23:01:08
  To: John Thompson                                     12-Oct-99 06:28:28
Subj: Hammer&Screwdriver

Hallo John,

 JT> What's the problem and  why do
 JT> people want to get rid of it so badly?

Some of files with the "plain papersheet" symbol get their icons changed into
a hammer and screwdriver symbol and from then won't work as expected. 

Installing the Feature Installer I had this effect on my Warp Connect, too.
And I was very glad to get this short REXX script that corrected the problem.

There was an article describing the hammer and screwdriver effect in:

EZN3-07A.ZIP   32k 02.06.98   OS/2 e-Zine! THE on-line OS/2 magazine May
                              30, 1998 Volume 3, Number 7 - ASCII format


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From: James Mckenzie                                    11-Oct-99 14:01:26
  To: John Thompson                                     12-Oct-99 06:28:28
Subj: Staroffice and OS/2

Hello John!

10 Oct 99 09:30, John Thompson wrote to Murray Lesser:

 JT> BTW, StarDivision, the creators of Star Office, began in the mid
 JT> 1980's with a DOS word processor called "Star Writer."  it was
 JT> quite well received, especially in Europe where it was long seen
 JT> as a viable MS-Word contender.  In the early 1990's Star Writer
 JT> was migrated to Windows and eventually evolved into the Star
 JT> Office suite.

Speaking of StarOffice, take a look at the SUN/Staroffice site.

It looks like SUN is going to support all versions of Staroffice and maybe
start some competion in the Intel computer area.

James

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From: Murray Lesser                                     11-Oct-99 11:32:00
  To: Will Honea                                        11-Oct-99 11:32:00
Subj: Theseus3

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-10-99, Will Honea to Murray Lesser)

Hi Will--

ML>     My current question is whether it is possible to update
ML> (modify) OSRM2 so that it can use the Theseus3 files.  C.O.L.
ML> Systems' BBS hasn't answered its telephone for well over a year,
ML> although someone is still paying the fee to keep it alive...

WH>Everything I have runs jsut fine with the new version (Theseus/3) if
  >I load only Theseus5.sys from config.sys and have only the
  >Theseus0.dll and Theseus1.dll from the new package in the libpath. 
  >All the access is thru these dll's which in turn use the .sys driver
  >to gather info. The ordnals in the DLL's look to macth the old ones
  >so I would guess that only the internals have changed.  Try 'hiding'
  >all traces of the Theseus/2 versions and see how you make out.

    I think I tried an equivalent of that yesterday, but I tried it
again this morning.  No go.  OSRM2 went through the Working Set motions
but when I told it to "START" it gave me the "program is having a
problem" popup.  I guess the references to the DLLs are hard-coded in,
or something.  So I went back to the old way: two different
device=theseus*.sys calls in CONFIG.SYS, and the DLLs for each monitor
in the same (working) directory as the monitor.  Now, either monitor

will work, but it doesn't seem possible to get both of them to monitor
the same process at the same time.

    I'm not sure that this is a real problem.  There is something much
more fundamental.  When I do a Working Set analysis with each of them
(not simultaneously) I don't get the same answer :-(.  Theseus tells me
that the process needs much more working space than does OSRM2.  Since
Theseus provides more information than does OSRM2 (once I figure out how
to use it!), I suppose I should just delete OSRM2 (it's archived on a
floppy if I ever want it back), and stick with Theseus/3.  All I have to
do now is to play with it enough to figure out what it is telling me.
What I need is a good textbook on the subject.  Any suggestions?

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   12-Oct-99 00:11:09
  To: August Abolins                                    12-Oct-99 07:57:12
Subj: installing some win3 apps

August Abolins wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 AA> Hi Roy!

 RJT> I tried to install a couple of win3 apps here for my grandkids...

 AA> [...]

 RJT> There appears to have been some changes made to config.sys and I'm
 RJT> going to sort this out later when I get the chance.  In the
 RJT> meantime,  does anybody have any thoughts on what happened here?  I
 RJT> thought this system was more robust than this.

 AA> I would recommend that you prepare a separate DOS bootable
 AA> partition for Windows 3.1 purposes.  Install your Windows
 AA> apps with a boot to "pure" DOS.   Then, after making sure
 AA> your Windows app and hardware function ok, boot to OS/2 and
 AA> "migrate" the Win apps you want.

I don't have enough room in there at the moment to do this,  unless I want to
stick another smallish drive in there.  It'd be easier for me to get around to 
finishing bringing up the dos/win3 machine I'd started on a while back...

As it sits right now,  there are a couple of games that installed on the w95
box but won't run right there because they can't see the sound card for some
reason (it's a Compaq with built-in sound hardware,  dunno whether it's
supposed to act like a SB or what).  So I let her play them across the network 
from the OS/2 box,  accessing "drive F:".  <g>  A little clumsy,  but it
works.

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From: Clive Brown                                       11-Oct-99 10:11:04
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     12-Oct-99 07:57:12
Subj: Fixpacks?

Hello Russell!

09 Oct 99 21:09, Russell Tiedt wrote to All, about Fixpacks?:

 RT> When I try do the same with a Warp 3 Connect (Red box) I get a no
 RT> product selected error message using the same files. Fixpack I am
 RT> trying to install is 38 (XRUW038). Is this the correct Fixpack
 RT> for my version of Warp Connect?

I have recently installed FP40 with CS140.exe on a Warp 3 Connect install.  I
believe that FP41 and possibly FP42 are available.

Regards

Clive

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From: Ruth Argust                                       12-Oct-99 01:23:28
  To: Bob Wright                                        12-Oct-99 10:09:22
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Hi Bob.

Bob Wright wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RA> The secret is that AT&T uses CHAP for connection but, of
 RA> course, they don't tell you that part of it.

 BW> I presume that you're referring to the "Worldnet" variant?

Yes, that's the one I tried out and then proceeded to drop.

 BW> The attglobal.net setup still seems to use PAP... at least I 
 BW> haven't had to make any changes other than just to server 
 BW> addresses to change over from ibm.net.

Well that makes it easier.

When I tried AT&T net, no one would give me any decent answers although I was
online waiting with tech support for over an hour. After really trying my
patience, the guy who was being extremely discourteous finally gave me a URL
they have for a help page for using OS/2 and other OS's with AT&T net. That
was after they told me over and over that that only support WinWhatever. I
didn't even want "support," only some answers to why I couldn't connect since
I had the correct ip, dns, convoluted login name, etc. Had he bothered to say
the word CHAP, I would have figured it out.

Although I was able to get running immediately thereafter, in about a week, I
called and cancelled the 30 day free trial since I figured for my money I
didn't have to put up with totally rude tech people who cringe so at the
thought of my using OS/2 to the point of telling me to get with the times.

                              *ruth*

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From: Andy Roberts                                      11-Oct-99 15:20:04
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   12-Oct-99 11:49:24
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

 Roy J. Tellason,

11-Oct-99 09:40:57, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Andy Roberts
 RJT> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:
          Subject: OS/2 on old hardware

 AR>> BTW, I didn't notice until I sent that file, that it was 1 of
 AR>> about 50 files I have in my "REXX OS/2 by Dennis Bareis" file
 AR>> area, which mostly came from:
 AR>> http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~dbareis/index.htm

 RJT> I would be quite happy to add more to the pile I have here now. <g>

In addition to the FernWood file echoes I have "REXX OS/2 by Dick Goran" which
includes about 60 utilities, some from various other authors, all from:
ftp://ftp.cfsrexx.com/pub/

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Charles Gaefke                                    11-Oct-99 16:39:10
  To: Adam Cameron                                      12-Oct-99 11:49:24
Subj: Re: windows and os/2

AC> right now, I have 2 hds.. partitioned into 5 hpfs partitions. since
windows
AC> has to be on the first hd, I moved the os/2 partition to be the first 
AC> partition on the 2nd hd.. and installed windows on the first HD with
fat32.
AC> So, OS/2 should still boot as drive C, right? well, whenever I try to boot 

AC> to os/2's partition, it just sits there.

    Moving a partition after the OS is installed will generally fail.


C. Gaefke
cdgaefke@earthlink.net
 


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From: Justin Baustert                                   12-Oct-99 00:52:22
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                12-Oct-99 15:26:24
Subj: Re: Linux

 SH> When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and
 SH> it wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed. With Linux,
 SH> it doesn't care what video card (if any) I have in my machine - as

You were screwed?  I guess you didn't try booting with ALT-F1, and selecting 
the VGA option?  Also, I think there may be a few people that disagree with 
you on your statement that OS/2 is GUI based.. How many GUI based operating 
systems don't need to boot to a GUI (hint: OS/2 doesn't need a GUI)?


JB

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From: Justin Baustert                                   12-Oct-99 01:07:02
  To: Sean Dennis                                       12-Oct-99 15:26:24
Subj: Re: Interesting...

 SD> Just a little note-I'd asked in here quite some time ago about if
 SD> anyone knew why my 2.1GB Samsung HD kept shutting down, even though I
 SD> disabled all power management in the BIOS and in OS/2.

Depending on the specific version of IBM1S506.ADD you were using, there was a 
switch added to fix a similar problem.. I think it was "/NOSHUTDOWN", but I 
could be wrong..


JB

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From: Murray Lesser                                     12-Oct-99 19:34:01
  To: Bob Wright                                        12-Oct-99 19:34:01
Subj: It's over?

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-10-99, Bob Wright to Murray Lesser)

Hi Bob--

 ML>     IBN made what it thought was a valid marketing attempt to push the
 ML> first Warp version (OS/2 3.0) to the SOHO market when that version was
 ML> first released (1994).  There have been many theories expressed on this
 ML> echo (including a grand conspiracy theory) as to why that effort was
 ML> abandoned.  I know little of the real story, but my own pet opinion is
 ML> that IBM finally learned that it doesn't know how to deal with a
 ML> nonprofessional individual user :-(.  I base this opinion, in part, on
 ML> those terrible 1994/5 TV ads for OS/2.

BW>"Terrible".... being a bit charitable are we??  :)

    Actually, I have war stories, some dating back almost 50 years,
illustrating IBM's characteristic inability to deal with individual
users that might be considered to be above-average "consumers," but I
felt that those tales were off-topic :-(

 ML>     An early version of Star Office (called "IBM Works" at the time) was
 ML> distributed (free) with the Warp 3 Bonus Pak.

BW>Not exactly...

BW>The suite that was released with Warp as IBM Works was the same
  >package as was on the Warp 4 bonus pak IIRC... Mine (from Connect)
  >has copyrights from Footprint Software (ISTR that it was originally
  >referred to as "Footprint Works", in fact), as well as IBM,
  >MasterSoft, Halcyon and Houghton- Miffin some of which are dated as
  >far back as 1983...

    Thanks (thanks also to John Thompson) for the correction.  This is
what I get for relying on hearsay instead of checking for myself.

 ML>  Where else can you find a PL/I compiler for OS/2?  (US
 ML> list price $2,999, although I got the current v 2.1 from IBM for much
 ML> less!)

BW>Of course, you first have to WANT one... ;>

    As does any programmer using OS/2 who has ever programmed in PL/I
and is still writing programs in anything other than REXX :-).

 ML>  I, too, use several shareware application programs (all
 ML> registered).  But very few large commercial concerns will use shareware,
 ML> largely because they want to be as certain as possible that the provider
 ML> of the software will still be around to fix it when.

BW>Although just being high-priced "commercial" stuff doesn't always
  >guarantee that the provider will be around -- or, in some cases,
  >interested in providing support..

    You are so right.  The worst supporter of high-priced software I
ever did business with was Microsoft with regard to a bug in its BASIC
PDS compiler that I reported in 1992.  The only response to my
well-crafted bug report (description of the bug, an example that always
displayed the error, and a workaround) was a form letter saying that my
report was being forwarded to the development group!  (Earlier bug
reports to Microsoft with regard to its BASIC compilers had always
produced a correction on a floppy, by return mail.)  The second-worst
was the late (and unlamented) Borland, whose response was to the effect
that since there was a workaround, and they had so many other bugs in
the product (C/C++ compiler v 1.0 for OS/2), they weren't going to fix
the one I reported :-(.  The best bug-report responses I have received
in the 1990's were from IBM, with regards to a bug I found in one of the
programs included in the first edition of the Warp 4 Developer's Toolkit
(repaired in the next release of the DevCon CD-ROMs), and to one in an
early version of the PL/I for OS/2 compiler (repair went out in a CSD
the following month).  I guess IBM doesn't know that I am an individual
user!

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     12-Oct-99 19:36:02
  To: Matti Palstrom                                    12-Oct-99 19:36:02
Subj: Netscape wont start afte

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-10-99, Matti Palmstrom to)

Hi Matti--

MP>I've heard about other who had problem with netscape after they had
  >installed a new FP but i can't remember what you could do about it.
  >I've just installed the UK FP9 on my UK OS/2 warp 4 system and after
  >that neither netscap nor java will run as it should. Everything else
  >seems to work (and netscape 2.02 works fine).

    I suggest backing out of the FixPak to one that works with your set
of application programs (see tag line).

MP>Should i get a later FP or sacrifice a goat and try again?

    Implementing your first proposal may well fix your problem with
Netscape, but it also may well cause one or more of the other
application programs you use to start misbehaving.

    In these days of little belief, it is doubtful that implementing
your second proposal will have any useful effect on your system, not
even if you sacrifice a virgin rather than a goat.  But you can always
try :-).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Holger Granholm                                   11-Oct-99 21:56:00
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  13-Oct-99 00:11:26
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old hardware

In a message dated 10-09-99, Rich Wonneberger said to Andrew Belov:

RW>*** Quoting Andrew Belov to Herbert Rosenau dated 10-07-99 ***
> OS/2 v 4.0 runs on 486s with 6M required and 12M recommended (the 
> kernel does not require 486 but some components reportedly need it)
> OS/2 v 4.5 runs on 486s with 12M required and 32M recommended

RW>Andrew,

RW>OS/2 4.5??
RW>What is the .5??

It could be v4.0 GA with FP5 applied. <BG>

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   11-Oct-99 21:56:00
  To: Adam Cameron                                      13-Oct-99 00:11:26
Subj: windows and os/2

In a message dated 10-09-99, Adam Cameron said to All:

AC>right now, I have 2 hds.. partitioned into 5 hpfs partitions. since
AC>windows has to be on the first hd, I moved the os/2 partition to be
AC>the first partition on the 2nd hd.. and installed windows on the
AC>first HD with fat32. So, OS/2 should still boot as drive C, right?
AC>well, whenever I try to boot to os/2's partition, it just sits
AC>there.

AC>what am I doing wrong?

Hi Adam,

Well, if you made the first partition on the second HD a primary
partition, that will be partition D:

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   12-Oct-99 19:05:00
  To: John Thompson                                     13-Oct-99 00:11:26
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

In a message dated 10-10-99, John Thompson said to Holger Granholm:

CV>    2) Use LXLite 1.21 to compress DLL's and execs

HG> Where can that program be found?

JT>ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/lxlt121.zip

Thanks John.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         09-Oct-99 10:35:12
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             13-Oct-99 06:57:09
Subj: MP3 file won't play

 JdBP>> You did download it using FTP in _binary_ mode, didn't you ?

 RCB> Do you doubt of me? P) I always d/l in binary.

I was just making sure, just in case.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         09-Oct-99 11:39:28
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             13-Oct-99 06:57:09
Subj: A BIG sort...

 RCB> 4OS2 is good, all know this, but JPSoft stopped with 4OS2?

No it has not.  Updates for 4OS2 and Take Command for OS/2 to versions 3.02
and 2.02 respectively were released at the same time as 4DOS and the Take
Commands for Win32 and Win16 were updated to versions 6.02 and 2.02
respectively.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         09-Oct-99 11:52:11
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             13-Oct-99 06:57:09
Subj: Why is this?

 RCB> Why a mp3 file would be crashed if the checking is good?

The fact that the filesystem structures on disk are consistent and sane means
nothing about the actual data content of the file.  The data in the MP3 file
could have been corrupted in any number of ways, from being accidentally
downloaded using FTP in text mode instead of binary mode to accidentally being 
concatenated with another file with a mistyped COPY command.

And then there's the fact that not all file players and viewers are equal. 
Not all software copes with every possible ramification of the file formats. 
There are many JPEG files floating around Out There that PMJPEG will refuse to 
display but that PMVIEW will display quite happily, simply because they use
JPEG file format features that PMVIEW understands but that PMJPEG does not.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         09-Oct-99 12:24:10
  To: Holger Granholm                                   13-Oct-99 06:57:09
Subj: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

 >> NMSU has no affiliation with Walnut Creek, makers of the Hobbes OS/2
 >> CD-ROM.

 HG> That is cdrom.com, ain't it ;-)

Yes.  And it is interesting to note that ftp.cdrom.com is not automatically
updated from hobbes.nmsu.edu .  I uploaded OS2CLU02.ZIP to the Hobbes site,
and it had not appeared on the Walnut Creek site when I checked a week or so
later, even though it is supposedly, according to Walnut Creek's advertising,
a "mirror" (although quite how that can be true when the two sites don't have
the same directory layouts, I fail to see).

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         09-Oct-99 12:38:16
  To: Ian Moote                                         13-Oct-99 06:57:09
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

 JP>> But a naive user who has only ever been exposed to the custom
 JP>> dialler that IBM provides for OS/2 specifically for its *own* ISP
 JP>> service could well form the mistaken idea that diallers *are* linked
 JP>> to individual ISPs.

 IM> Oooooo! Zinger! [:D

Don't misunderstand.  I wasn't aiming that comment at you or anyone else.  I
was simply explaining that it is conceivable that someone could be
inexperienced enough to make that mistake, which would cause them to then ask
the question that AT&T put in its FAQ document.  

  JdeBP 

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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      12-Oct-99 17:18:05
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         13-Oct-99 09:13:15
Subj: Free Space Error

On 10/07/1999 in 4DOS (F) Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote to Leonard
Erickson:

JD> And here's the *real* allocation information as seen by a native
JD> 32-bit command interpreter (in this case Take Command for OS/2):

Hi Jonathan,

I want to install CorelDraw for OS/2 on a multi-gig hard drive
formatted HPFS. It has a problem with large amounts of free space on
the hard drive. It's been over a year since I first tried to get it
in and I finally got around to trying again. Do you know of any utility
program that I could run before installing to fix the free space
program?

I use the small util program 2GBFIX for DOS sessions in real DOS and
I'm now looking for something similar for OS/2.

jh -
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From: Rachel Veraa                                      12-Oct-99 21:11:17
  To: Jack Stein                                        13-Oct-99 10:17:10
Subj: OS/2 Support

In a message to Rachel Veraa, Jack Stein wrote:

 RV> As you know perfectly well, IBM *couldn't* let it happen. 
 RV> Microsoft threatened to withhold licenses from OEMs that
 RV> preloaded or bundled OS/2, threatened to withhold
 RV> development tools from software producers who ported to
 RV> OS/2, and threatened to cut off IBM altogether if they
 RV> continued to press OS/2 -- and they increased IBM's price
 RV> for Windows %500 just to show they meant business.  Big Blue
 RV> would've been out of the PC business altogether in six
 RV> months. 

JS> I doubt that Rachel.  IBM was the second largest distributor of
JS> software at the time, far ahead of MS.

MS had 80% of the PC OS market share.

JS> MS needed IBM to support their products.

Huh?  IBM needed Windows if they hoped to sell enough PCs to make it
worthwhile.  Even if they pushed OS/2 with all they had, they'd never make it
in the consumer market -- and big business and Team OS/2 cognoscenti could
never support the PC division by themselves.

JS> Someone here correctly said that IBM could have
JS> purchased MS OS's at street prices and still supported any customers
JS> that wanted that product,

They maybe coulde bought them, but they certainly couldn't preload or bundle
them without a _license_ from MS -- which could have any terms MS wanted.

JS> they already charge an arm and a leg for
JS> their support, the cost of the OS is almost meaningless in these
JS> charges.  Also, the practices MS was threatening with were not very
JS> supportive of the Sherman Anti Trust laws, and IBM is/was painfully

When did that ever stop Mocrosoft?  The fact is that they _did_ do those
practices, and they _did_ get away with it.


       Cheers,
           Rachel

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From: Bat Lang                                          13-Oct-99 01:44:19
  To: Clive Brown                                       13-Oct-99 20:10:00
Subj: Fixpacks?

 -=> Quoting Clive Brown to Russell Tiedt, [11 Oct 99  10:11:08] <=-

 RT> When I try do the same with a Warp 3 Connect (Red box) I get a no
 RT> product selected error message using the same files. Fixpack I am
 RT> trying to install is 38 (XRUW038). Is this the correct Fixpack
 RT> for my version of Warp Connect?

 CB> I have recently installed FP40 with CS140.exe on a Warp 3 Connect
 CB> install.  I believe that FP41 and possibly FP42 are available.

I saw 42 the other nite, whilst at the RSU site getting 12 for Warp 4.
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Rob Basler                                        12-Oct-99 11:28:03
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar                          13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: Why there are no OS/2 vi

JDBP> RCB> To make a virus for it guys is a trivial task [...]

JDBP>No it isn't.  Making a native OS/2 virus is actually a very *complex*
task

Great post.  Someone actually posted the source for an OS/2 virus a
while back, probably have it somewhere, so there is at least 1.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        12-Oct-99 11:31:04
  To: Adam Cameron                                      13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: windows and os/2

AC>right now, I have 2 hds.. partitioned into 5 hpfs partitions. since windows
AC>has to be on the first hd, I moved the os/2 partition to be the first
AC>partition on the 2nd hd.. and installed windows on the first HD with fat32.
AC>So, OS/2 should still boot as drive C, right? well, whenever I try to boot
AC>to os/2's partition, it just sits there.

AC>what am I doing wrong?

I believe the first primary partition on second drive is assigned
letter D:.  You can check this by running OS/2's FDISK from a set of
OS/2 utility diskettes and see what drive letters it assigns.

Did you run SYSINSTX to put a boot sector onto the new drive?  I think
the syntax is SYSINSTX A: C:

Rob.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      12-Oct-99 19:09:12
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: Warp 3 install

Greetings,

I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual Boot.
But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything.  Drive D is a 1 g
partition. Drive C has DOS 6.22 on C & Windows 311 on E.  Want to run
DOS & Windows legacy programs.

The examples in the manual don't exactly do that.

What would would be the best way to install it?

Have a SCSI CD-ROM & ZIP disk & a parallel Syquest Sparq.  Will the
install see these or do I have to have the DOS drivers in the DOS
autoexec.bat & config.sys.

Also want to know about any maintenance upgrades, the best
free/shareware, anything else I should know.

Anon,

Linda



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From: LEE ARONER                                        13-Oct-99 03:34:00
  To: SCOTT JONES                                       13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: Norton AV

 ML> any potential OS/2 viruses, or are all the new viruses these days being
 ML> written for Win32 systems?

 RCB> I dont have absolute trust for which I encontered this: BackOrifice/2.

SJ> BackOrifice/2 is the OS/2 port of the BO client.  This allows people to
  > access a BO-infected Winbox using OS/2.  It does *not* allow others to
  > access an OS/2 machine via BackOrifice.


   Any idea where this client might be gotten ?

                                       LRA

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From: Linda Proulx                                      13-Oct-99 15:08:01
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 00:14:17
Subj: Y2K

Greetings,

Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      13-Oct-99 15:45:23
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 00:14:17
Subj: Newbie

Greetings,

Someone gave me a copy of Warp 3, Red flavour.

Am thinking of installing, but don't want it to do anything to my
harddrives.

Want to know what best way to prep for the install.  Also want a good
bootmanager that will run off a floppy.  Will the Warp boot manager
work on a floppy? I have 2 HDs & want to put OS2 on the primary of D
drive. The manual isn't very forthcoming.

Lots of questions.  What best freeware/shareware?  What are the
maintenance releases I need?  Is there one to put the Win code into the
red as it is on the Blue flavour? How to setup for Dos & Win programs,
lots of questions.

What would you not live without in OS2.  Example, for me it's Reconfig
in the DOS world.

Where the best sites?  I can get a friend with an Inet account to get
the stuff for me.

Looking forward to hearing your replies.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Bat Lang                                          13-Oct-99 17:22:18
  To: Murray Lesser                                     14-Oct-99 09:20:14
Subj: Theseus3

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to Will Honea, [11 Oct 99  11:32:00] <=-

Do you (or anyone) have a complete URL source for the <subj>? Thanks,
and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Peter Knapper                                     14-Oct-99 19:21:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 10:25:24
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual Boot.
 LP> But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything.  Drive D is a 1 g
 LP> partition. Drive C has DOS 6.22 on C & Windows 311 on E.  Want to run
 LP> DOS & Windows legacy programs.

Sorry Linda, what you want to do can't be done the way you want, but it MAY be 
able to be done very similar.

Dual Boot means that DOS and OS/2 MUST reside in the SAME partition, therefore 
you can only do this on a C: drive (DOS will only boot from C:). To make this
work, a small utility is used to alternate the boot function of that partition 
between DOS and OS/2. Without full details of your drive(s), partitions and
disk space layout I will assume that you dont have enough room on your C:
partition to do this. 

The next best option (IMHO) would be to install Boot Manager, and that would
allow you to install OS/2 on your D: drive. This assumes that you have room to 
install Boot Manager (only 1 Cylinder of disk is required, but it MUST be
within the first 1024 cyls so the BIOS can see it).

If we had a bit more info as suggested above we might be able to come up with
other options. 

I hope this helps.......pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     14-Oct-99 19:32:19
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 10:25:24
Subj: Y2K

Hi Linda,

 LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?

FixPak 35 or greater (FP40 was the last I think) should bring Warp 3 up to Y2K 
readyness. These are available for free download from the IBM Web sites.

Cheers........pk.


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From: Scott Jones                                       13-Oct-99 14:17:25
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         14-Oct-99 13:25:23
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

-=> On 09 Oct 99  12:24:20, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Holger Granholm 
<=-


 HG> That is cdrom.com, ain't it ;-)

 JdP> Yes.  And it is interesting to note that ftp.cdrom.com is not
 JdP> automatically updated from hobbes.nmsu.edu .  I uploaded OS2CLU02.ZIP
 JdP> to the Hobbes site, and it had not appeared on the Walnut Creek site
 JdP> when I checked a week or so later, even though it is supposedly,
 JdP> according to Walnut Creek's advertising, a "mirror" (although quite how
 JdP> that can be true when the two sites don't have the same directory
 JdP> layouts, I fail to see).

Actually, there is no connection, other than the name of the CD
compilation, between the two.  The Southern California OS/2 User's Group
has an interview with the former Hobbes (NMSU) archiver which talks a
bit about that: http://www.scoug.com/OS24U/1998/SCOUG806.2.HOBBES.HTML.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Scott Jones                                       13-Oct-99 14:22:27
  To: Murray Lesser                                     14-Oct-99 13:25:23
Subj: Re: Netscape wont start afte

-=> On 12 Oct 99  19:36:04, Murray Lesser wrote to Matti Palstrom <=-


 ML>     In these days of little belief, it is doubtful that implementing
 ML> your second proposal will have any useful effect on your system, not
 ML> even if you sacrifice a virgin rather than a goat.  But you can always
 ML> try :-).

Besides, I'd always heard that goats are best reserved for correcting
SCSI problems and configuring sendmail. ;)

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                14-Oct-99 00:06:06
  To: John Hentsch                                      14-Oct-99 15:24:10
Subj: Re: Installing win98 with OS/2 v4?

On Stardate 10 Oct 99  10:38:18, John Hentsch Communicated the Following
To Jeffrey J. Counsil, Regarding Re: Installing win98 with OS/2 v4?...

JH> OK, Jeffery, System Commander took care of win98 getting out of hand:)

That's good ;-)

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From: Don Guy                                           14-Oct-99 06:52:18
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 15:24:10
Subj: Y2K

Greetings Linda!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Linda
Proulx to All was intercepted...

 LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?

IIRC, it is if you install FixPack #26 or higher.

-Don



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From: Bat Lang                                          14-Oct-99 03:45:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 15:24:10
Subj: Theseus3

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Murray Lesser, [13 Oct 99  17:22:37] <=-

 BL> Do you (or anyone) have a complete URL source for the <subj>? Thanks,
 BL> and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

When I wrote that, I was unable to logon to the URL that I had. However
about 7 hours later I tried it again, and got on, and got the <subj>
file. The URL is:

http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fixnews.html#thes

Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   14-Oct-99 11:43:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 18:15:01
Subj: Newbie

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> Someone gave me a copy of Warp 3, Red flavour.

 LP> Am thinking of installing, but don't want it to do anything to 
 LP> my harddrives.

 LP> Want to know what best way to prep for the install.

Back up first?  :-)

 LP> Also want a good bootmanager that will run off a floppy.  Will 
 LP> the Warp boot manager work on a floppy? 

I have no idea offhand,  I don't think so.

 LP> I have 2 HDs & want to put OS2 on the primary of D drive. The 
 LP> manual isn't very forthcoming.

What I'd do is back up,  remove existing partitions,  install boot manager, 
put new partitions on there allowing for BM on the first drive,  and then go
from there.  Whether you want to go that far is another question.

 LP> Lots of questions.  What best freeware/shareware?  What are the 
 LP> maintenance releases I need?

See my other responses to you for that stuff...

 LP> Is there one to put the Win code into the red as it is on the 
 LP> Blue flavour? 

No,  the red takes your existing copy of win3 to use for running win programs, 
while the blue has winos2 built into it,  which is not the same.

 LP> How to setup for Dos & Win programs, 

Not usually a problem,  mostly.

 LP> lots of questions.

 LP> What would you not live without in OS2.  Example, for me it's 
 LP> Reconfig in the DOS world.

What does this one do?

 LP> Where the best sites?  I can get a friend with an Inet account 
 LP> to get the stuff for me.

You'll need a *bunch* of floppies for the fixpack,  then.  <g>

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   14-Oct-99 11:35:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 18:15:01
Subj: Warp 3 install

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with 
 LP> Dual Boot. But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything.

Is the partition on to which you want to install already created and
formatted?  If so,  I'm guessing that it would be safe to assume that it's
formatted FAT,  which means that you lose a lot of the benefit of the native
HPFS filesystem.

I am also not at all enthusiastic about the idea of "dual boot".  That uses
the _same_ filesystem for both dos and os/2,  renaming files back and forth to 
change which one boots the next time around.  I'd much rather see OS/2 have
its own partition,  set up in HPFS,  and let _it_ boot.  Give the choice of
which through Boot Manager.

 LP> Drive D is a 1 g partition. 

If that _is_ FAT,  you're going to have some fairly large clusters,  there!

 LP> Drive C has DOS 6.22 on C & Windows 311 on E.  Want to run DOS 
 LP> & Windows legacy programs.

I can see only one potential problem area there should you choose to go with
HPFS on D:,  and that's that dos/win won't see it as a usable partition,  so
when you boot to that you'll see your current C: and E: as C: and D:.  This
may create some problems for you.

 LP> The examples in the manual don't exactly do that.

 LP> What would would be the best way to install it?

 LP> Have a SCSI CD-ROM & ZIP disk & a parallel Syquest Sparq. Will 
 LP> the install see these or do I have to have the DOS drivers in 
 LP> the DOS autoexec.bat & config.sys.

Not sure about the answer to that one,  as I don't have that hardware here.

 LP> Also want to know about any maintenance upgrades, 

I have gone as far as Fixpack 40 here with my Warp Connect install,  but have
read recently that 42 is out now.

 LP> the best free/shareware, 

Feel free to freq "OS2" from here,  which will get you a copy of the OS/2
portion of my files section,  and snag anything else that you'd like...

 LP> anything else I should know.

See above comments.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   14-Oct-99 11:42:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 18:15:01
Subj: Y2K

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:

 LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?

Warp 3 out of the box may have some problems,  applying fixpacks after some
number (I forget which one) will take care of that for you...

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From: Gord Hannah                                       14-Oct-99 08:36:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 22:10:00
Subj: Warp 3 install

Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to All,

About Warp 3 install, On Tue Oct 12 1999

LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual
LP> Boot. But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything.  Drive D is

Can be done very easily.  Select advanced install tell it to install to d when 
it asks you for the fdisk command say nope, I would however format it to HPFS
less hassles that way, no defrag ever needed unless over 80% full.

LP> a 1 g partition. Drive C has DOS 6.22 on C & Windows 311 on E.  Want
LP> to run DOS & Windows legacy programs.

I did that when I started using OS/2 now I have not got one thing on my system 
that is M$ all native OS/2 stuff with one exception Quicken v7 for DOS, and it 
works just fine.

LP> The examples in the manual don't exactly do that.

The manual is a bit fuzzy on this, pick up a book called OS/2 for Dummies, it
helped me out quite a bit.

LP> What would would be the best way to install it?

See above that is what I did my first install, and it worked fine till my HD
crashed.

LP> Have a SCSI CD-ROM & ZIP disk & a parallel Syquest Sparq.  Will the
LP> install see these or do I have to have the DOS drivers in the DOS
LP> autoexec.bat & config.sys.

You may need to get the Zip and Sparq drivers for OS/2 and DOS and use them,
the CD should be no problem.

LP> Also want to know about any maintenance upgrades, the best
LP> free/shareware, anything else I should know.

Look in hobbes.nmsu.edu you should be able to find a wealth of stuff in there.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Gord Hannah                                       14-Oct-99 08:46:09
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 22:10:00
Subj: Y2K

Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to All,

About Y2K, On Wed Oct 13 1999

LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?

Get Fixpak 36 or better, saw someplace it was up to 42 and that should
suffice.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Gord Hannah                                       14-Oct-99 08:48:19
  To: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 22:10:00
Subj: Newbie

Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to All,

About Newbie, On Wed Oct 13 1999

LP> What would you not live without in OS2.  Example, for me it's
LP> Reconfig in the DOS world.

Get a hold of your sysop Robin, if I recall has played with OS/2 and might be
able to help you out quite a bit.  Most sysops will help their users where
they can.  At least I do.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
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From: Rob Basler                                        12-Oct-99 15:52:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: Interesting...

SD>Just a little note-I'd asked in here quite some time ago
SD>about if anyone knew why my 2.1GB Samsung HD kept shutting
SD>down, even though I disabled all power management in the
SD>BIOS and in OS/2.

Apparently there were some problems in one of the more recent
IBM1S506.ADD drivers that caused spin-down problems on some drives.  I
don't know when this was, but I understand it has been fixed.  Search
the echos for details, there are some extra new switches for this
driver.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        14-Oct-99 17:44:00
  To: John Hentsch                                      15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: Free Space Error

JH>I want to install CorelDraw for OS/2 on a multi-gig hard drive
JH>formatted HPFS. It has a problem with large amounts of free space on
JH>the hard drive.

Make a temp drive, copy your favourite CD-ROM's to it until the drive
has <2G free, install Corel, then delete the temp dir.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        14-Oct-99 17:59:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: Newbie

LP>Want to know what best way to prep for the install.

As someone else said, make a backup.

LP>Also want a good
LP>bootmanager that will run off a floppy.

Never heard of such a program.

LP>Will the Warp boot manager
LP>work on a floppy? I have 2 HDs & want to put OS2 on the primary of D
LP>drive. The manual isn't very forthcoming.

I believe that BM needs to be installed on the 1st HD.  I don't think
there is any way around that.  It requires 1-7M depending on the size of
your drive.  If your drive is >4G, make sure you get the latest IDEDASD
update from the OS/2 device driver site.

LP>Lots of questions.  What best freeware/shareware?

There is freeware for just about anything you want to do.  I use
CDRecord to record CD's, PM123 to play MP3 files, PMJpeg to look at
pictures, TE/2 for communications, etc. etc.

LP>What are the
LP>maintenance releases I need?

There is fixpack 40 out for it, maybe more.
LP>Is there one to put the Win code into the
LP>red as it is on the Blue flavour?

Nope, it will use MS Windows 3.1 if you have it installed though.

LP>How to setup for Dos & Win programs,

Most of them just work.  Have a look at the MIGRATE.EXE program after
installation, it is designed for setting up DOS and Windows apps.

LP>Where the best sites?  I can get a friend with an Inet account to get
LP>the stuff for me.

www.os2ss.com www.os2ezine.com www.edm2.com and IBM's device driver site
as well as the fixpack site, don't have the URL's right now.

Good luck,

Rob.
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From: Paul Hildebrandt                                  11-Oct-99 10:30:06
  To: Adam Cameron                                      15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: windows and os/2

Hello Adam!

09 Oct 99 20:54, Adam Cameron wrote to All:

 AC> @NOTE: DCTEdit v0.04 [2]
 AC> yo.. aight, here is my problem.

 AC> right now, I have 2 hds.. partitioned into 5 hpfs partitions.
 AC> since windows has to be on the first hd, I moved the os/2
 AC> partition to be the first partition on the 2nd hd.. and installed
 AC> windows on the first HD with fat32. So, OS/2 should still boot as
 AC> drive C, right? well, whenever I try to boot to os/2's partition,
 AC> it just sits there.

Do you have 2 IDE connectors? If your second harddrive is on your 2nd ide
connector you can't boot from it usually.

Example: If you have your windows hdd and a cdrom on your first ide connector, 
your os/2 hdd must be on the 2nd ide connector.

Try putting OS/2 on the first hdd in a second partition and turn a partition
on your 2nd hdd to fat32 for other windows programs.

Paul

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      10-Oct-99 01:09:00
  To: ALL                                               15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: OS/2 Fixpack/servicepack

Hey ALL, what's up?

Does anyone know what the latest version and where I get a service pack for
OS/2 2.1?  I'm just about finished downloading the 06200B files from
ftp.software.ibm.com in the directory
\ps\products\os2\fixes\v2.1x\english-us\06200a

Is this the current version or is there another one?  It's just that it
seems old, only a year newer than when 2.1 came out

Thank you people in advance for everything!

TTYL



 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      10-Oct-99 01:12:00
  To: ALL                                               15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: Mouse rate in DOS prompt

Hey ALL, what's up?

Does anyone know how I can change the Mouse speed
in a DOS settion (full-screen) in OS/2 2.11?

The mouse rate seems so *SLOW* that I can't move
it much, only with a lot of effort, and I don't
like that.

I just upgraded from DOS (DESQview) and I need a
little bit of help.

Thank you people in advance!

TTYL,



 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      10-Oct-99 01:21:00
  To: ALL                                               15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

Hey ALL, what's up?

Does anyone know of a good backup program for OS/2?
One that supports HPFS and long file names?
One that will work on OS/2 v2.11?
One that saves the disk just like it is and perfectly
even hidden files and everything, and also restores
them in the exact condidtion they were in before?
One that is freeware/shareware/whatever?

If you know or use such a program, or similar program,
please reply without further adue, thank you very much
in advance!

If you know of an FTP of where I could get it, that would
be awesome!



 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

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From: Paul Hildebrandt                                  14-Oct-99 17:20:27
  To: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: Y2K

Hello Linda!

13 Oct 99 15:08, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?

I believe it was Y2K compliant as of fixpack 35.

Paul

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From: Paul Hildebrandt                                  06-Oct-99 06:56:19
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: GEN GRADD!

Hello All!

It is ALIVE!

I finally got IBM's gengradd drivers to work on my voodoo3 card. :))))))))))

First I installed the vga gradd and when that was working I installed the svga
gradd drivers.

Kinda' slow but better than 16 colors. :))))))

Paul

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From: Louis Aubree                                      07-Oct-99 08:39:00
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    15-Oct-99 06:08:04
Subj: Scsi Too expensive?

CG> SD> As soon as I get SCSI, I'll be burning CDs too. ;)
CG> 
CG>     SCSI is too expensive for me.
CG> 
CG>     Period.

Well, SCSI HD's are expensive. So, go on with ATAPI/IDE HD.
But you can use SCSI for a CD burner and a scanner and ...

For this, you don't need an up-to-date SCSI card. No wide bus, just
an internal 50 pin plug for the CD burner and an external 50 pin D
plug for the scanner. Cables provided with the peripherals!

And you don't need to pay the Adaptec premium prices. Look for other
brands : Tekram, Iwill, ...

   L.A.

P.S. The last cheap SCSI scanners were sold 12 months ago, here. (I
got one!). Now, all the market is for // and USB, except a few
expensive models. 

*******>> Please, reply in the OS2HW echo.   
...
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From: Louis Aubree                                      07-Oct-99 10:19:00
  To: Peter French                                      15-Oct-99 06:08:04
Subj: Long Lines

Hi Peter,

Do you like reading messages looking like this?

( I quote your message to Ian Moote on 1999-08-29 at 00:00 )

============ Begin =============
  Great tip - but I sure miss the ability to drag the page off the face
(2.02)
onto a PMStripper Object for "intelligent" stripping of the HTML.  I find
4.61
faster at rendering and quite stable but I can't get over the feeling I'm
using
a WIN port rather than a native OS/2 product like I think 2.02 was.  I'm
grateful to IBM that I now have a browser that reports itself as "new"
allowing
e into sites that used to choke on a -3, but I'll be one of the first to
move
to a native OS/2 browser if we ever see one.......

--- Maximus/2 2.02
============= End =============
Just to be sure my mail reader is not responsible, I separately
unzipped the QWK file, opened the MESSAGE.DAT file with a heavy duty
editor (CEDIT allows lines longer than 300000...), searched for your
message somewhere in that big chunk, and copied it to another file
where I replaced all the newline characters (QWK style, Alt-227) by
the standard PC newline (CR-LF).
I'm sure you didn't wrote your message just like this. I don't know
where your lines are split, but I think it could be when your
off-line reader (and writer...) takes on from your editor. Could you
look at your replies before sending them? Or even after that, after
the new download of the echo?
Anyway, the right thing to do is to limit the length of your lines
(in your editor) a few characters less than now. (Even as short as 72
characters per line, if you expect to be quoted). 
   L.A.
  
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From: Holger Granholm                                   14-Oct-99 21:10:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         15-Oct-99 07:02:06
Subj: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

In a message dated 10-09-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger
Granholm:

 >> NMSU has no affiliation with Walnut Creek, makers of the Hobbes OS/2
 >> CD-ROM.

 HG> That is cdrom.com, ain't it ;-)

JP>Yes.  And it is interesting to note that ftp.cdrom.com is not
JP>automatically updated from hobbes.nmsu.edu . I uploaded
JP>OS2CLU02.ZIP to the Hobbes site, and it had not appeared on the
JP>Walnut Creek site when I checked a week or so later, even though it
JP>is supposedly, according to Walnut Creek's advertising, a "mirror"

Hello Jonathan,

Well, I doubt this "mirror thingy" because the above cited lines come
direct from the HOBBES.TXT file that I found in my browsers directory.

I have since examined every version of the browser I have and the
hobbes.txt file has not come with any version. I can only suppose
that the file has been sent from NMSU while I have been connected.

JP>(although quite how that can be true when the two sites don't have
JP>the same directory layouts, I fail to see).

Neither can I!

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Peter Knapper                                     15-Oct-99 20:12:04
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      15-Oct-99 09:30:04
Subj: OS/2 Fixpack/servicepack

Hi Albert,

 AS> Does anyone know what the latest version and where I 
 AS> get a service pack for OS/2 2.1?  

IBM dropped all fixpaks and support for OS/2 2.1 some time ago, they have
stated that it will never be made Y2K compliant. The oldest release of OS/2
that can be made Y2K ready is Warp 3 at Fixpak 35 or later.

Sorry to provide the bad news..........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     15-Oct-99 20:16:23
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      15-Oct-99 09:30:04
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

Hi Albert,

 AS> Does anyone know of a good backup program for OS/2?

One that fits ALL your requirements is BACKUP and RESTORE, provided with OS/2.

Regards............pk.


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From: Charles Gaefke                                    14-Oct-99 21:01:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 09:30:04
Subj: Interesting news

    Check out http://www.scitechsoft.com/in_press22.html.  It's a recent (4 
days old) press release about IBM licensing Scitech's display doctor software 
for OS/2 video driver support.


C. Gaefke
cdgaefke@earthlink.net
 


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From: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 23:33:06
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Oct-99 11:31:23
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> Want to know what best way to prep for the install.

 RJT> Back up first?  :-)

Too true.

 RJT> What I'd do is back up,  remove existing partitions,  install boot
 RJT> manager,  put new partitions on there allowing for BM on the first
 RJT> drive,  and then go from there.  Whether you want to go that far is
 RJT> another question.

What if I Partition Magic a small one?


 RJT> No,  the red takes your existing copy of win3 to use for running win
 RJT> programs, while the blue has winos2 built into it,  which is not the
 RJT> same.

sigh.....

 LP> Reconfig in the DOS world.

 RJT> What does this one do?

It allows different start up options.

 RJT> You'll need a *bunch* of floppies for the fixpack,  then.  <g>

Would Zip Disks work> <g>

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 23:35:14
  To: Gord Hannah                                       15-Oct-99 11:31:23
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GH> Get a hold of your sysop Robin, if I recall has played with OS/2 and
 GH> might be able to help you out quite a bit.  Most sysops will help their

 GH>  * Origin: Marsh BBS (c) [Dawson Creek BC Canada] 1-250-786-7921

This is a small community | ).

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 23:41:28
  To: Peter Knapper                                     15-Oct-99 11:31:23
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Dual Boot means that DOS and OS/2 MUST reside in the SAME partition,

 PK> The next best option (IMHO) would be to install Boot Manager, and that

I think I got my terms wrong.  I think I meant the Boot Manager.

 PK> would allow you to install OS/2 on your D: drive. This assumes that you
 PK> have room to install Boot Manager (only 1 Cylinder of disk is required,
 PK> but it MUST be within the first 1024 cyls so the BIOS can see it).

Can I use Partition magic to set it up?  I don't want OS2 to change
anything except load.


 PK> If we had a bit more info as suggested above we might be able to come
 PK> up with other options.

If I got the Blue flavour, would that mean that I wouldn't have to have
Windows on my harddrive?

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 23:51:28
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Oct-99 11:31:23
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with LP>
 Dual Boot. But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything.

Termonology (sp) mix up.  Meant Boot Manager

 RJT> Is the partition on to which you want to install already created and
 RJT> formatted?  If so,  I'm guessing that it would be safe to assume that
 RJT> it's formatted FAT,  which means that you lose a lot of the benefit of
 RJT> the native HPFS filesystem.

Want DOS to access all drives.  Actually I want OS2 in order to run
legacy programs without the memory frustrations.

 LP> Drive D is a 1 g partition.

 RJT> If that _is_ FAT,  you're going to have some fairly large clusters,
 RJT> there!

Actually, balanced cluster size & partition needs.


 RJT> I can see only one potential problem area there should you choose to go
 RJT> with HPFS on D:,  and that's that dos/win won't see it as a usable

Don't want that.  Want to keep the 16 FAT.

 LP> Also want to know about any maintenance upgrades,

 RJT> I have gone as far as Fixpack 40 here with my Warp Connect install,
 RJT> but have read recently that 42 is out now.

Ouch.  Do I have to start at 1 or can I go directly to 42?


 RJT> Feel free to freq "OS2" from here,  which will get you a copy of the
 RJT> OS/2 portion of my files section,  and snag anything else that you'd
 RJT> like...

I don't understand what you mean by "freq".

Look forward to hearing from you.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      14-Oct-99 23:57:20
  To: Gord Hannah                                       15-Oct-99 11:31:23
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 GH> Can be done very easily.  Select advanced install tell it to install to
 GH> d when it asks you for the fdisk command say nope, I would however

What about the Boot Manager though?  What will it do to my C: drive?


 GH> Look in hobbes.nmsu.edu you should be able to find a wealth of stuff in
 GH> there.

Not on the net.  Suggestions so that I can request a friend to dl for
me.

Thanks for replying.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 00:00:11
  To: Don Guy                                           15-Oct-99 11:31:23
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Don Guy wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?

 DG> IIRC, it is if you install FixPack #26 or higher.

Thanks for the info.  Do the fixpacks work for both flavours or are they
different?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 00:01:19
  To: Peter Knapper                                     15-Oct-99 11:31:23
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> FixPak 35 or greater (FP40 was the last I think) should bring Warp 3 up
 PK> to Y2K readyness. These are available for free download from the IBM
 PK> Web sites.

Thanks for the info.  Will have to get a friend to check it out for me.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    12-Oct-99 22:27:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     15-Oct-99 16:45:24
Subj: Objects

Hello Russell,

09 Oct 99 07:21, Russell Tiedt wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RT> of the CD-ROM other times not. In local parlance (slang) you can
RT> almost say that suspect used as I did above means unreliable, also to
RT> a degree untrustworthy. :-))

Ah, I see. :-))

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Andy Roberts                                      15-Oct-99 09:34:25
  To: Louis Aubree                                      15-Oct-99 16:45:24
Subj: Long Lines

 Louis Aubree,

07-Oct-99 10:19:00, Louis Aubree wrote to Peter French
          Subject: Long Lines

 LA> Hi Peter,

 LA> Do you like reading messages looking like this?

 LA> ( I quote your message to Ian Moote on 1999-08-29 at 00:00 )

Actually it was 28-Sept-99.

-<snipped your sharks tooth quote>- 

I went back and looked at the original msg from Peter French and it is perfect
without any sharks tooth hard carriage returns like you quoted.

The problem you are complaining about is caused in your software not the
software of those originating msgs with 78 - 80 character lines.  You should
change the settings in your software or change to better software.

What you are implying is that you are "My son John" marching out of step, and
expect everyone else to march to your step, by changing their correct setups
to your expectations.

Personally I don't like reading short lines and having to PgDn more frequently
than I would have to if the original msg used 78 - 80 characters.  I happen to
use 78 characters because I think that is easy to read and see that the end of
the line is not truncated.  Leaving a lot of blank space at the end of every
line so that the quoted text does not wrap is not a real solution, since as
soon as it is quoted again, then readers like your's will still screw it up.

There was a time several years ago when some BBS software (Wild Cat IIRC) used
to truncate the end of long quoted lines.  Rather than the author fixing his
bug he wanted everyone else to shorten their original lines.  IMO that was a
rather stupid attitude considering the Fidonet specs.  Anyway I obliged for a
while.  Now there is plenty of good BBS software and Fidonet readers/editors
available.

My attitude has changed.  I'm fed up with compensating for bugs in someone
else's software.  Maybe that is due to the predominance of Microsoft software
that is shoved out the door while it is still Alpha version.  Now I expect
others to either get their bugs fixed, or put up with and shut up about the
bugs they insist on keeping.  IMO they have a choice to use good software that
doesn't have those bugs.

To put it simply I don't have to read msgs like you quoted when the original
msg is formatted within Fidonet specs.  So I have nothing to complain about.
Except I'm not going to change my proper settings to your lower expectations.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Oct-99 11:35:04
  To: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 16:45:24
Subj: Newbie

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> Want to know what best way to prep for the install.

 RJT> Back up first?  :-)

 LP> Too true.

 RJT> What I'd do is back up,  remove existing partitions,  install boot
 RJT> manager,  put new partitions on there allowing for BM on the first
 RJT> drive,  and then go from there.  Whether you want to go that far is
 RJT> another question.

 LP> What if I Partition Magic a small one?

Having that makes things a _lot_ easier.  <g>

Yeah,  if you can shrink your first partition slightly,  then move it up some, 
you can install Boot Manager at the beginning of the HD and no problem...

You only need _one_ cylinder to install it.

 RJT> No,  the red takes your existing copy of win3 to use for running win
 RJT> programs, while the blue has winos2 built into it,  which is not the
 RJT> same.

 LP> sigh.....

 LP> Reconfig in the DOS world.

 RJT> What does this one do?

 LP> It allows different start up options.

I have a bunch of software like that in the files section here,  but never
really got into using any of it.

 RJT> You'll need a *bunch* of floppies for the fixpack,  then.  <g>

 LP> Would Zip Disks work> <g>

Good question!  I don't know offhand.  I only recently acquired one of those
drives,  it came with a machine I have here,  but it's external,  and SCSI, 
which means I conceivably *could* plug it into this box here and use it.  Only 
I don't have any disks for it yet,  and have no idea what it's going to take
to make it work with OS/2.  I'll let somebody else jump on that one.

I've stayed away from the fixpack issue for a long time,  until I found out
that I needed it for something or other on the other OS/2 box here,  and I got 
#40 which was current at the time and installed it directly from the HD.  This 
was a few months ago...

(Looking back at earlier messages...)

Oh,  for just transferring the fixpack files to your system?  Sure,  that
should work okay.  Provided you can get OS/2 to see the zip disk,  and on that 
one I don't have an answer for you because I haven't tried it here yet.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Oct-99 11:42:16
  To: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 16:45:24
Subj: Warp 3 install

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> Is the partition on to which you want to install already created and
 RJT> formatted?  If so,  I'm guessing that it would be safe to assume that
 RJT> it's formatted FAT,  which means that you lose a lot of the benefit of
 RJT> the native HPFS filesystem.

 LP> Want DOS to access all drives.  Actually I want OS2 in order
 LP> to run legacy programs without the memory frustrations.

 LP> Drive D is a 1 g partition.

 RJT> If that _is_ FAT,  you're going to have some fairly large clusters,
 RJT> there!

 LP> Actually, balanced cluster size & partition needs.

 RJT> I can see only one potential problem area there should you choose to go
 RJT> with HPFS on D:,  and that's that dos/win won't see it as a usable

 LP> Don't want that.  Want to keep the 16 FAT.

Actually,  if you were to make it HPFS (and you'd gain a lot by doing so, 
both in terms of usable space and in terms of performance),  you could still
access your FAT partitions from within OS/2 and use _that_ to move stuff
around...

 LP> Also want to know about any maintenance upgrades,

 RJT> I have gone as far as Fixpack 40 here with my Warp Connect install,
 RJT> but have read recently that 42 is out now.

 LP> Ouch.  Do I have to start at 1 or can I go directly to 42?

They're cumulative,  and you can start with the latest one if you want.

 RJT> Feel free to freq "OS2" from here,  which will get you a copy of the
 RJT> OS/2 portion of my files section,  and snag anything else that you'd
 RJT> like...

 LP> I don't understand what you mean by "freq".

File request.  Or download it.  Or send a message to
fileserv%tanstaaf@frackit.com (assuming you have email) and put the words get
os2 in the body of the message and you'll get back a uuencoded zip file
(assuming you have a decoder) with the list in it.

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From: Scott Jones                                       14-Oct-99 16:26:17
  To: LEE ARONER                                        15-Oct-99 16:45:24
Subj: Re: Norton AV

-=> On 13 Oct 99  03:34:00, LEE ARONER wrote to SCOTT JONES <=-


 SJ> BackOrifice/2 is the OS/2 port of the BO client.  This allows people to
  > access a BO-infected Winbox using OS/2.  It does *not* allow others to
  > access an OS/2 machine via BackOrifice.


 LA>    Any idea where this client might be gotten ?

I can't seem to find it on the 'net anymore, but I still have a copy
from when I was thinking about working on my MIL's machine remotely.
What's your email address?

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Bat Lang                                          14-Oct-99 15:13:15
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 19:44:07
Subj: WGET153

In trying to understand this pgm, I have not been able to determine how
to tell it a default local destination directory for its downloads. I
normally use D:\DOWN\ for ftp clients, but their config was much clearer
than I find in WGET. Thanks for any help, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Gene Tucker                                       15-Oct-99 19:44:00
  To: Rob Basler                                        15-Oct-99 19:44:00
Subj: Interesting...

In a message dated 10-12-99, Rob Basler said to Sean Dennis:


SD>Just a little note-I'd asked in here quite some time ago
SD>about if anyone knew why my 2.1GB Samsung HD kept shutting
SD>down, even though I disabled all power management in the
SD>BIOS and in OS/2.

RB>Apparently there were some problems in one of the more recent
RB>IBM1S506.ADD drivers that caused spin-down problems on some drives.  I
RB>don't know when this was, but I understand it has been fixed.  Search
RB>the echos for details, there are some extra new switches for this
RB>driver.

RB>Rob.
RB>



There is a fix for this problem add /!shutdown to the ibm1s506.add line in
your
config.sys.
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From: Gene Tucker                                       15-Oct-99 19:47:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 19:47:01
Subj: Re: Warp 3 Install

In a message dated 10-14-99, Linda Proulx said to Peter Knapper:



LP>Can I use Partition magic to set it up?  I don't want OS2 to change
LP>anything except load.


 PK> If we had a bit more info as suggested above we might be able to come
 PK> up with other options.

No sorry you will have to use OS/2's Fdisk to get it all set up the first
time.
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From: Gene Tucker                                       15-Oct-99 19:50:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 19:50:02
Subj: Re: Warp 3 Install

In a message dated 10-14-99, Linda Proulx said to Gord Hannah:



LP>What about the Boot Manager though?  What will it do to my C: drive?


Boot mangager requires it own 3MB partician on your C: drive. This does mean
you
will have to backup C drive and reinstall after you have recreated the
partician
with OS/2 Fdisk. If you are running Win9X you will not be able to use 
FAT32 and
you will have to reboot with OS/2 Fdisk to activate the Bootmanager after
installing Win9X.
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From: Will Honea                                        15-Oct-99 01:18:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      15-Oct-99 01:18:00
Subj: OS/2 Backup Program

Albert Sodyl wrote to ALL on 10-10-1999

AS> Hey ALL, what's up?
AS> 
AS> Does anyone know of a good backup program for OS/2?
AS> One that supports HPFS and long file names?
AS> One that will work on OS/2 v2.11?
AS> One that saves the disk just like it is and perfectly
AS> even hidden files and everything, and also restores
AS> them in the exact condidtion they were in before?
AS> One that is freeware/shareware/whatever?
AS> 
AS> If you know or use such a program, or similar program,
AS> please reply without further adue, thank you very much
AS> in advance!
AS> 
AS> If you know of an FTP of where I could get it, that would
AS> be awesome!

After tonight, I still recommend Personal Safe 'n Sound that comes
with Warp Server.  Not sure if it's still for sale outside of Software
Choice, but Idelible Blue used to carry it at a competitive price.  

Hazards of writing device drivers: I clobbered SOMETHING in the OS2
system files and had to do a full restore of nearly 2 gig of system and
data.  Booted to a floppy recovery disk and read a book while PSNS
chugged for quite a while.  Also discovered that filling a 1g HPFS
partition with literally thousands of backup files - 100k free - can
REALLY bog down HPFS!!  Restored 40,000+ files in under an hour from
power on, tho.  First actual necessary full restore since I first
installed this Warp 4 system.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        15-Oct-99 01:23:01
  To: Peter Knapper                                     15-Oct-99 01:23:01
Subj: Y2k

Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx on 10-14-1999

PK> 
PK>  LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?
PK> 
PK> FixPak 35 or greater (FP40 was the last I think) should 
PK> bring Warp 3 up to Y2K readyness. These are available for 
PK> free download from the IBM Web sites.

The IBM site specifies FP32 as Y2K compliant, but minor issues have
been resolved up thru FP42.  FP40 is the last free Warp 3 fixpak for
other than Warp Server Advanced or paid subscriptions.  Consensus seems
to be that you might as well go ahead and us FP40 - It seems to have
been pretty solid.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     15-Oct-99 22:12:01
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      15-Oct-99 22:12:01
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-10-99, Albert Sodyl to All.
  original topic: OS/2 Fixpak/Servicepak):

Hi Albert--

AS>Does anyone know what the latest version and where I get a service
  >pack for OS/2 2.1?  I'm just about finished downloading the 06200B
  >files from ftp.software.ibm.com in the directory
  >\ps\products\os2\fixes\v2.1x\english-us\06200a

AS>Is this the current version or is there another one?  It's just that
  >it seems old, only a year newer than when 2.1 came out

    OS/2 v 2.1 (or v 2.11) are obsolete and no longer supported,
irrespective of what you may find hidden away in the dusty corners of
IBM Web sites.  The following two paragraphs are quoted from the IBM
e-mail marketing newsletter "OS/2 WARP FM" for April 1998 ("1998" is not
a typo!).

 "There comes a time when all good things must come to an end.  For
  OS/2 customers still running the pre-Warp versions of OS/2, that
  time has arrived.  OS/2 2.11 and its predecessors served their
  users well, providing stability, flexibility and in their time
  leading edge capabilities.

 "The most pressing reason to migrate from the early OS/2 versions is
  Year 2000 compliance.  These releases are not and will not be made
  Year 2000 ready.  Fortunately, there are multiple alternatives for
  Year 2000 readiness.  The least drastic, least risky path to
  compliance is to migrate clients to OS/2 Warp 4 and servers to OS/2
  Warp Server 4.  Just recently the two major suppliers of ATM
  systems in the United States, DieBold and NCR, decided to address
  their Year 2000 problems by building OS/2 Warp 4 versions of their
  products.  Many other key OS/2 customer accounts have made similar
  decisions."

    The most recent client version of OS/2 is Warp 4 (OS/2 4.0).  AFAIK,
FixPak 12 is the most recent available, although I am happily running
Warp 4 with FixPak 5, which takes care of the Y2K bugs I am interested
in and supports the hardware I am using.

    Regards,
        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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