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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       08-Oct-99 01:13:00
  To: RICH WONNEBERGER                                  09-Oct-99 00:08:21
Subj: CPU change

Some senseless babbling from Rich Wonneberger to All
on 10-07-99  20:32 about CPU change...

 RW> Quick question
 RW> I have 2 systems I would like to get a bit more speed in.  Both are
 RW> Pentiums,  one a 133 mhz, the other a 166 mhz.  The boards will only go
 RW> up to a 200 mhz  processor.  I was thinking about a AMD K6 and under
 RW> clocking it, but am not  sure which would work right and is still
 RW> available. 
 RW> Also, would this effect OS/2??
 RW> The m-board is the same, video, scsi & such are not changing.

 RW> Any suggestions??

It won't affect OS/2.  Just be sure that your motherboard can support the
voltages of the K6 processor.  Many Pentium boards don't.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  08-Oct-99 23:19:00
  To: David Calafrancesco                               09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: CPU change

*** Quoting David Calafrancesco to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-08-99 ***
> Motherboards cost about the same as an AMD K6-II-400. Both together 
> cost less than any of the CPU upgrade options that I have seen. The 
> pair should run you circa $130 and if you are careful will still use 

David,

I thought about it already.  I just dont have the time.  The right way would
include getting a SCSI drive and controller.  I would need to run the system a 
few weeks getting it set up to replace the BBS system.  Tweaking & installing
apps would add to the time.

Was looking for a quick upgrade

Thanks anyway
Rich
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  08-Oct-99 23:25:00
  To: Ruth Argust                                       09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: CPU change

*** Quoting Ruth Argust to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-08-99 ***
> I don't know if this is an alternative you might wish to try. Check the
> internet for specs on the MB. I searched using the model number and 
> found a lot of information for mine. The book for it said that the 
> processor would only go up to a 200 mhz processor but that was not 
> correct per the web pages I located. I did confirm this via email with 

Ruth,

Not a bad idea.  I looked at the board and it has jumpers up to 200 mhz.  I
azzumed that was it.

I was thinking about the 60 and 66 mhz bus difference in the older processors. 
 I was going to get a processor with the same bus speed & under clock it.
I just dont know what speed the 200 uses for the bus.

Thanks
Rich
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From: George White                                      06-Oct-99 18:19:22
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Stewart,

On 04-Oct-99, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Ruth Argust:


 SH> 04 Oct 99 00:02, Ruth Argust wrote to Charles Bowman:

 RA>> Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are
 RA>> over 8.4 gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least
 RA>> that was my experience.

OS/2 will not allow any partition that extends past the 1024 cylinder
limit to be formatted FAT.

 SH> FAT16 has a 2 GiB limit. FAT32, OTOH, has a somewhat higher limit
 SH> (32 GiB's? Someone correct me if I'm wrong).

 SH> As for HPFS, I've heard 64+ GiB's somewhere.

64Gig, less a few sectors, per partition.

George

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From: Ruth Argust                                       09-Oct-99 00:40:04
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  09-Oct-99 10:45:09
Subj: CPU change

Hi Rich.

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RW> Not a bad idea.  I looked at the board and it has jumpers up to 200
 RW> mhz.  I azzumed that was it.

I believe ours was that way also.

 RW> I was thinking about the 60 and 66 mhz bus difference in the older
 RW> processors.  I was going to get a processor with the same bus speed
 RW> & under clock it. I just dont know what speed the 200 uses for the
 RW> bus.

If you have the book for it (or check the MB itself), search under the model
on the internet, which will hopefully give you updated specs and settings.
Ours, for example is a P5V580-AT and searching using only that at altavista
gave us all the info we needed. I did have to confirm that it was an AT-T
(they had three different AT models and ours wasn't marked). But in searching
I found that the composition of the number refers to the manufacturer and
chipset and there were a couple pages with a lot of detail on that. From the
manufacturer's pages, we found all the settings needed for the new processor.

Good luck in your upgrade.

                                  *ruth*

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  09-Oct-99 00:53:00
  To: Ruth Argust                                       10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

 -=> Quoting Ruth Argust to Leonard Erickson <=-

 RA> Hi Leonard.

 RA> Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:
 
 LE> Nope. On the secondary HD, set up the whole drive as an "extended"
 LE> partition. You should then be able to create 10 logical drives in
 LE> that partition, each 2 gig. 

 RA> That's the answer! Thank you. I had it set up as a primary partition
 RA> which assumedly is causing the problem. 

Yep. Though you could have created a 2 gig primary partition, then
created the extended partition. That way, if you removed the other
drive, this one would be (potentially) bootable.

This stuff's old hat to me, but then I remember back when we had to
reformat the 10 meg HDs in the XTs to upgrade from DOS 2.1 to 3.1.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    07-Oct-99 12:21:26
  To: David Calafrancesco                               10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Matrox drivers?

David Calafrancesco made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi David,

BH> The videocard has nothing to do with it, I have several machines with
BH> diverend cards, NS crashes on all of them. NS is junk-soft, I'm still
BH> looking for something better.

 ET> I'm only using Netscape Communicator v4.04 (with the memory
 ET> leaks it comes with), Netscape Communicator v4.61 is
 ET> supposed to correct this, but I haven't tried it yet. You
 ET> could also try the Opera browser, I haven't tried this one
 ET> either.

 BH> Do you have an URL or something for me where to find that
 BH> browser? 

 DC> open netscape, hit help, choose upgrade software.

But I don't want to upgrade NS.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    09-Oct-99 01:29:26
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Leonard Erickson made noise to Ruth Argust:

Hi Leonard,

 LE> Nope. On the secondary HD, set up the whole drive as an
 LE> "extended" partition. You should then be able to create 10
 LE> logical drives in that partition, each 2 gig. 

 LE> The trick is that you *can't* have more than 4 partitions of
 LE> *any* kind. But some types of partition can contain more
 LE> than one "drive".  

Sorry but your are wrong, you can have max 4 partitions, thats true, but any
Logicac partition resides within a extended partition so you can have more
than 4 on the same disk.
For example, you have Bootmanger (1), Dos primary (2), OS/2 primary (3),
Etended partion (4) that does contain D,E,F,G,H,I,J,etc... this is still the
same partition but has partitions within the extended partition.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  09-Oct-99 09:36:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: CPU change

*** Quoting Mike Ruskai to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-08-99 ***
> It won't affect OS/2.  Just be sure that your motherboard can support 
> the
> voltages of the K6 processor.  Many Pentium boards don't.

Mike,

Something else I didnt think about..  This is starting to look more like can
or worms I'm opening.

Thanks
Rich
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  09-Oct-99 09:43:00
  To: George White                                      10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

*** Quoting George White to Stewart Honsberger dated 10-06-99 ***
>  RA>> Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are
>  RA>> over 8.4 gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least
>  RA>> that was my experience.
> 
> OS/2 will not allow any partition that extends past the 1024 cylinder
> limit to be formatted FAT.

George,

If I had 1 Primary partition, and the rest logical partitions in an extended
partition, I couldnt have more then 4, 2 GIG partitions??

This doesnt sound right.  I know OS/2 wont set a partition as installable if
it crosses the 1023 line.

Rich
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From: Steve McCrystal                                   08-Oct-99 06:21:11
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Wednesday October 06 1999>, Roy J. Tellason writes to George
Fliger:
;
Roy,

 GF>> I'm running into more and more sites that require Javascript
 GF>> enabled in order to just browse their site.  Very annoying
 GF>> indeed!

 RT> Maybe someday the folks that put these sites together will get a
 RT> clue to the effect that this is a _user-driven_ medium,  and not
 RT> a _provider-drive_ one...

 RT> I get real irritated at sites that tell me I *must* be running
 RT> some software to be able to view them,  or later than some
 RT> specific version of some software,  or need to have things
 RT> configured a certain way,  or whatever.  And I'll generally just
 RT> go someplace else.

I mentioned to the Webmaster of a commecrial (hardware vendor) site that it
was
quite annoynig to have to discard 20 cookies to get to their catalog pages,
and another 20 to back out of it. He sent me a reply suggesting that I turn on 
cookies so I wowuldn't have to bother with it (I had already explained. in
detail, why I wasn't going to do that) then accused me of "bitching" about
having to cancel all of them twice.

 RT> It's their loss,  eh?

It sure is, in this case a loss of a little over $1000.  I guess they can
afford it!

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   08-Oct-99 06:30:20
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Matrox drivers?

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In a msg of <Tuesday October 05 1999>, Bas Heijermans writes to Kris
Steenhaut:
;
Bas,

 KS>> YOU don't knwo what you are talking about! The Aopen AX59PRO
 KS>> has no possibility to reassign the video-IRQ. Look at my
 KS>> previous message, look at the fucking manual (it's in
 KS>> Spanish, you sure are able to read): the video-irq is ALWAYS
 KS>> bouns to the same one as the mass-controler.

 BH> Well if you look in your BIOS (I have 2.24) in the section
 BH> PNP/PCI Configuration you can set any IRQ to any PCI slot, so you
 BH> are able to take them apart.

Wheile this IS what Kris is talking about, it IS NOT what he should be talking 
about as it's not what he wants (or thinks he has to) do.

What he should be looking for is "Assign IRQ for VGA", which is what he wants
to disable, whether he knows it or not.  Even if he can't, it's unlikely to
cause tje problems he's reported, but at least there'd be one less thing that
he doesn't understand.

-[Steve]-

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    06-Oct-99 21:56:18
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bas,

03 Oct 99 11:26, Bas Heijermans wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

BH> Do you have an URL or something for me where to find that browser?

No, I don't have an URL to the Opera browser. You could try Netlabs (I believe 
Netlabs has something with the Opera browser?)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    06-Oct-99 21:59:15
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Video Cards

Hello Kris,

03 Oct 99 11:29, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

KS> Actually, the Scitech drivers will be the Gradd driver in the near
KS> future.

I've seen a message in warpcast which mention that IBM licensed the Scitech
drivers.

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    06-Oct-99 22:43:01
  To: George Fliger                                     10-Oct-99 01:50:04
Subj: Matrox Drivers (Was Iomega Zip)

Hello George,

03 Oct 99 09:01, George Fliger wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

GF> In case you're interested, Eddy, Matrox must made available drivers
GF> ver. 2.31.100.  I'm running them here and they work just fine. :)

I've now too much work to try them, and anyway the current driver is working
without problems.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: John Donohue                                      09-Oct-99 21:46:16
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: Opera

BH> Do you have an URL or something for me where to find that browser?

 ET> No, I don't have an URL to the Opera browser. You could 
 ET> try Netlabs (I believe Netlabs has something with the 
 ET> Opera browser?)

http://opera.nta.no


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From: David Calafrancesco                               08-Oct-99 22:47:08
  To: Mike Roark                                        10-Oct-99 07:04:07
Subj: Iomega Zip

Mike Roark wrote in a message to Bas Heijermans:

 MR> Tuesday October 05 1999 15:02, Bas Heijermans wrote to Mike
 MR> Roark: 

 MR>> and I'm in the mood to upgrade the cpu to an AMD k6-2/500 if
 MR>> I can convince the wife to get it for my birthday.. ;-)

 BH> You better go to an AMD-K6-3:-)

 MR> Any particular reason why? I have the option to get either
 MR> and the price is about the same. I haven't looked at the
 MR> differences so I'm not familiar with them. the K6-2/266 that
 MR> I have right now works quite nicely. That was the only real
 MR> reason to use the same one.

A K6III-450 is almost twice as fast as a K6II-450. Unfortunately, the cost is
almost three times as much. I currently pay circa $54 for a retail box
K6II-400, $85 for the K6II-450, $160 for the K6III-400 and $190 for the
K6III-450. 

The K6III's achieve this extra speed two ways, they add a faster more
integrated cache onto the substrate, and also improved the performance of the
chip itself (less clock cycles to execute instructions etc). 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Bat Lang                                          10-Oct-99 00:03:29
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  10-Oct-99 10:32:13
Subj: CPU change

 -=> Quoting Rich Wonneberger to Ruth Argust, [08 Oct 99  23:25:00] <=-

 RW> I was thinking about the 60 and 66 mhz bus difference in the older
 RW> processors.  I was going to get a processor with the same bus speed &
 RW> under clock it. I just dont know what speed the 200 uses for the bus.

As a 'general rule' if you divide the CPU speed (200) by an integer like
2 or 3, and it results in one of your available bus speeds, then that's
prolly the bus speed you will use. So 200/3 = 66.67, or ~66. So you
would use the 66 bus speed with a multiplier of 3.0 for your 200 mhz
cpu. It's a function of 'pairing' the available bus speeds with the
available multipliers on the mother board to achieve the CPU rate.
Usually it's best to start with the highest bus speed available, then
look at the multipliers available. If the cpu has it's own built-in
multiplier, then there is less flexibility. This is all from my limited
experience. Someone that has more of that could doubtless give you a
more refined explanation.  {^;  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Steve McCrystal                                   09-Oct-99 07:32:08
  To: John Thompson                                     10-Oct-99 17:03:04
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

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In a msg of <Thursday October 07 1999>, John Thompson writes to Steve
McCrystal:
;
John,

 SM>> Will it also change the ones it screws up?

 JT> I've been using Partition Magic for years (since v2.0) with DOS,
 JT> Win95, Win98, OS/2 and linux and it's never screwed up for me.

I don't remember what the first version I bought was, but it was at least that 
far back... possibly 1. something.  I never had a problem with it either,
until
version 4.0.  I moved down the freespace and then resized the partitions on my 
drive (OS/2, Win95 Fat 16, and Linux) and nothing would boot!  I booted from
OS/2 floppies and ran the OS/2 textmode program from PM 3.x and it fixed
things up.

I'll confess I haven't looked deeply into the 4.0x Windows only version, altho 
I have installed it.

 JT> But since the Partition Table Editor is a separate, stand-alone
 JT> program I suspect it would have as good a chance at fixing
 JT> damaged partition tables as any other partition table utility out
 JT> there.

If it'll 'stand alone' in DOS, that IS good news!  I guess it's time to have a 
look.  Thanks, John.

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   09-Oct-99 07:45:21
  To: David Calafrancesco                               10-Oct-99 17:03:04
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Thursday October 07 1999>, David Calafrancesco writes to Will
Honea:
;
David,

 DC> What torqued me the most was that all I did was put the driver
 DC> into place in config.sys, shut down, rebooted and it instant
 DC> trapped. Tried rebooting to go to the command prompt and it traps
 DC> instantly after hitting Alt-F1. Then I fired up the install
 DC> disks, and they trap on bootup. I removed the drive and put a
 DC> different drive in as primary and everything boots fine. Haven't
 DC> dared try the DANIS driver a second time.

I couldn't help but notice several instances of "instant" in the quote above.
If the traps are indeed 'instant' do you think Dani's driver really caused
them?  Isn't it more likely that the problem lies somewhere else, especially
given you machine wouldn't boot from floppies, which would NEVER load Dani's
driver?

Were you able to fix the problem with the original drive? How?

What switches did you use when you tried the DANIS506 driver?

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From: Mike Roark                                        09-Oct-99 07:54:15
  To: Ruth Argust                                       10-Oct-99 22:26:21
Subj: CPU change

Hello Ruth!

Friday October 08 1999 00:27, Ruth Argust wrote to David Calafrancesco:

 DC>> memory modules (wait until the RAM prices drop again).

 RA> I really wanted a new MB but they just don't come with enough ISA
 RA> slots these days. That meant getting a new sound card and I have
 RA> forgotten what else. Having one ISA slot for the STB-4com is essential
 RA> and many new MB's only have one of this type.

How many ISA slots do you need? Tyan S1590 comes with 4 ISA and 4 PCI (1
shared) and an AGP slot. It's a super 7 (socket 7) board that will accept any
of the AMD processors up to the K6-3/450..

 RA> Instead of being frustrated with this right now, I settled with
 RA> spending about $30 plus shipping for a bit more speed per my prior
 RA> post to Rich :) I am going to be known as the bargain shopper here
 RA> soon <g>.

Naa. We all do that.. ;-))

Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 15h 03m 41s 781ms (en).

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From: Gene Tucker                                       11-Oct-99 21:24:02
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  11-Oct-99 21:24:02
Subj: Logitech Trackman Marble

In a message dated 10-07-99, Leonard Erickson said to All:


LE>I'm one of the folks who tried using SCROLLMS with a Matrox video card.
LE>I've replaced MOUSE.SYS, but the system still can't bring up the
LE>desktop. 

LE>What else do I need to do?


I suggest you boot with either the orginal install disks and exit to a command
line or use floppies you make have created with bootOS2 and run chkdsk X:
/f:2.
Do this about three times to be sure. You desktop should then be recoverd. If
that doesn't work you will have to dlete and recreate the ini files.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Oct-99 17:20:05
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    11-Oct-99 23:10:19
Subj: Netscape?

Hello Bas,

05 Oct 99 14:18, Bas Heijermans wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

BH> Can I automate the use of that FTP as an program within NS?
BH> I need NS for driver/bios etc downloads, that mostly lot's of
BH> searching and than downloading and NS doesn't do the job well. But I
BH> have no good alternative for this at this time, because the IBM
BH> Explorer is too old for most sites.

You can use a separate FTP program alongside Netscape. If you don't know the
link to a file on internet
(FTP or HTTP) you can click with the right mouse button on that link and
choose "Copy Link Location" to
copy the link to the clipboard and then you can paste it anywhere you want, to 
get the file(s) with a
separate program.

I've posted my REXX/batch files to use with wget in OS2REXX and now in OS.028.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Oct-99 12:01:00
  To: BAT LANG                                          11-Oct-99 23:10:20
Subj: CPU change

Some senseless babbling from Bat Lang to Rich Wonneberger
on 10-10-99  00:03 about CPU change...

 -=> Quoting Rich Wonneberger to Ruth Argust, [08 Oct 99  23:25:00] <=-
 
 RW> I was thinking about the 60 and 66 mhz bus difference in the older
 RW> processors.  I was going to get a processor with the same bus speed &
 RW> under clock it. I just dont know what speed the 200 uses for the bus.

 BL> As a 'general rule' if you divide the CPU speed (200) by an integer
 BL> like 2 or 3, and it results in one of your available bus speeds, then
 BL> that's prolly the bus speed you will use. So 200/3 = 66.67, or ~66. So
 BL> you would use the 66 bus speed with a multiplier of 3.0 for your 200
 BL> mhz cpu. It's a function of 'pairing' the available bus speeds with the
 BL> available multipliers on the mother board to achieve the CPU rate.
 BL> Usually it's best to start with the highest bus speed available, then
 BL> look at the multipliers available. If the cpu has it's own built-in
 BL> multiplier, then there is less flexibility. This is all from my
 BL> limited experience. Someone that has more of that could doubtless give
 BL> you a more refined explanation.  {^;  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

All the Pentium-class chips I've seen don't have a fixed multiplier, but
rely on the motherboard setting.

The only problem with going with the highest bus speed is that it can cause
some peripherals to stop working.

For example, choosing a bus speed of 75MHz instead of 66MHz would put the
PCI bus at 37.5MHz, instead of the designed speed of 33MHz.  Most devices
work fine on a faster bus, but some don't (such as 3COM PCI network
adapters).

Despite this, overclocking the bus is both safer and more effective than
using a normal bus speed, and a higher multiplier to overclock the CPU.
The latter gives you more raw CPU power, but the former reduces the
bottleneck of the system bus, which almost always makes for better overall
performance - especially with multitasking, where pushing data over the bus
becomes very important.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Oct-99 14:22:15
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  11-Oct-99 23:10:20
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hello Rich,

09 Oct 99 09:43, Rich Wonneberger wrote to George White:

RW> If I had 1 Primary partition, and the rest logical partitions in an
RW> extended partition, I couldnt have more then 4, 2 GIG partitions??

It's quite simple.

Short answer:

An extended partition counts as a primary partition. 4 primary partitions on
one harddisk is the maximum, with extended partitions counting as primary
partitions because an extended partition takes the place of one primary
partition in the primary partition table.

An extended partition can "contain" one or more logical partitions.

So with one primary partition and the rest as logical partitions in one
'extended' partition, how many primary partition place holders are used and
how many are still free?


Long (programmers) answer:

All partition tables have room for only 4 pointers. Those pointers are all
zero's if not used, and if the pointer is valid and in use that pointer point
to either a partition or a next partition table.

The primary partition table is in the first physical sector on the harddisk
and therefore there can be only one primary partition table on one harddisk
(each harddisk has its own primary partition table).

The primary partition table can contain one or more pointers, each pointing to 
one primary partition OR one secondary partition table. The secondary
partition table can have one or more pointers, each pointing to a logical
partition or a next partition table.

There are two possibilities: each secondary (or next) partition table is
filled completely with pointers (each pointing to either a logical partition
or a next partition table), or each secondary (or next) partition table has
only two pointers: one pointing to a logical partition and the other pointing
to a next partition table.

The minimum size for each partition is one cylinder on the harddisk,
for each partition table, one cylinder on the harddisk is needed,
(for both whatever the size of one cylinder).

So most efficient use of harddisk space with logical partitions defined is to
use three pointers in each partition table to point to a partition, and the
4th pointer to point to a next partition table so that logical partitions can
always be created if needed and if there are harddisks cylinders free.

But the 'standard' way is to define one logical/next partition table for each
logical partition, one pointer pointing to that logical partition and the
other pointer pointing to a next partition table if there are more logical
partitions.

Logic dictates (=I think) that there is nothing to prevent you to define more
than one 'extended' partition (=pointer to a next/logical partition table) in
the same primary partition table, but there is no advantage doing so compared
to one 'extended' partition in one primary partition table and the
disadvantage is you can define one primary partition less for each 'extended'
partition, IMHO.

Why there is only room for 4 pointers in each partition table, IMHO, because
that had to fit in 256 bytes: half of the size of one sector, the second half
of the first physical sector on the harddisk, because the first half of that
sector is used as bootcode.

Now, this is purely my humble opinion, this whole construction of linked
partition tables with each partition table with room for only 4 pointers is a
kludge, but the IBM compatible pc was (certainly not in the beginning of those 
pc's) not designed to use harddisks, and I guess this is still a legacy.

I hope you see now the reason why one harddisk is limited to 4 primary
partitions.

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  10-Oct-99 23:37:01
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    11-Oct-99 23:10:20
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

 -=> Quoting Bas Heijermans to Leonard Erickson <=-

 BH> Leonard Erickson made noise to Ruth Argust:

 BH> Hi Leonard,
 
 LE> Nope. On the secondary HD, set up the whole drive as an
 LE> "extended" partition. You should then be able to create 10
 LE> logical drives in that partition, each 2 gig. 
 
 LE> The trick is that you *can't* have more than 4 partitions of
 LE> *any* kind. But some types of partition can contain more
 LE> than one "drive".  

 BH> Sorry but your are wrong, you can have max 4 partitions, thats true,
 BH> but any Logicac partition resides within a extended partition so you
 BH> can have more than 4 on the same disk. For example, you have Bootmanger
 BH> (1), Dos primary (2), OS/2 primary (3), Etended partion (4) that does
 BH> contain D,E,F,G,H,I,J,etc... this is still the same partition but has
 BH> partitions within the extended partition. 

Terminolgy difference. By the terminology I know, the extended
partition contains logical *drives*, not partitions.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    10-Oct-99 10:40:16
  To: Mike Roark                                        11-Oct-99 23:10:20
Subj: Iomega Zip

Mike Roark made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Mike,

 MR>> and I'm in the mood to upgrade the cpu to an AMD k6-2/500 if
 MR>> I can convince the wife to get it for my birthday.. ;-)

 BH> You better go to an AMD-K6-3:-)

 MR> Any particular reason why? I have the option to get either
 MR> and the price is about the same. I haven't looked at the
 MR> differences so I'm not familiar with them. the K6-2/266 that
 MR> I have right now works quite nicely. That was the only real
 MR> reason to use the same one.

There is a better option, you can let the 266 run with an 100Mhz bus at 250 or 
300Mhz, this would save you a CPU:-)

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    10-Oct-99 10:59:12
  To: David Calafrancesco                               11-Oct-99 23:10:20
Subj: Matrox drivers?

David Calafrancesco made noise to Will Honea:

Hi David,

DC> Bull. I applied the latest DANIS506 driver and it blew the 
DC> entire drive out on me. I couldn't even boot with floppies 
DC> and access the drive, it would trap on any set of disks. 
DC> When I finally got rid of the partition tables I could 
DC> finally access the drive again. A terrible price to pay. 

 WH> Just to be contrary for once in my life <g>, I have to say
 WH> that I've been using Dani's drivers for quite a while - with
 WH> an 8.4g and a 6.4g drive + CDROM - with no problem on this
 WH> machine (VIA chipset).  It's also performing well with
 WH> machines using Intel and SIS chipsets for me.  Much better
 WH> performance on the VIA and SIS boards, about equal to
 WH> IBM1S506.ADD on the Intel 440bx set.

 DC> What torqued me the most was that all I did was put the
 DC> driver into place in config.sys, shut down, rebooted and it
 DC> instant trapped. Tried rebooting to go to the command prompt
 DC> and it traps instantly after hitting Alt-F1. Then I fired up
 DC> the install disks, and they trap on bootup. I removed the
 DC> drive and put a different drive in as primary and everything
 DC> boots fine. Haven't dared try the DANIS driver a second
 DC> time. 

Here they screwed the desktop, I had to rebuild the ini's, that has never
happened before, I'm still recovering from that experiance.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    10-Oct-99 11:01:14
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  11-Oct-99 23:10:20
Subj: CPU change

Rich Wonneberger made noise to All:

Hi Rich,

 RW> Quick question
 RW> I have 2 systems I would like to get a bit more speed in. 
 RW> Both are Pentiums, one a 133 mhz, the other a 166 mhz.  The
 RW> boards will only go up to a 200 mhz processor.  I was
 RW> thinking about a AMD K6 and under clocking it, but am not
 RW> sure which would work right and is still available.

 RW> Also, would this effect OS/2??

Not much.

 RW> The m-board is the same, video, scsi & such are not
 RW> changing. 

You should buy more ram, that's helping you lots more.
I had a AMD-K6-2-350 with 200 MBram and I had to change it to a Pentium 150,
the diverance was less than I expected to be.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Daniela Engert                                    09-Oct-99 19:58:04
  To: David Calafrancesco                               11-Oct-99 23:10:20
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hi David!

Thus quoth David Calafrancesco to Will Honea:
 DC> What torqued me the most was that all I did was put the driver into
 DC> place in config.sys, shut down, rebooted and it instant trapped.

So, obviously none of the BASEDEVs ever had a chance to write *anything* (this 
is by design of BASEDEVs).

 DC> Tried rebooting to go to the command prompt and it traps instantly
 DC> after hitting Alt-F1.

At that point, another CONFIG.SYS (namely CONFIG.X in \OS2\BOOT\) is used
instead of the regular CONFIG.SYS

 DC> Then I fired up the install disks, and they trap on bootup. I
 DC> removed the drive and put a different drive in as primary and
 DC> everything boots fine. Haven't dared try the DANIS driver a second
 DC> time. 

So, then tell me how a system which never had a chance to write anything
managed to infect

- a different CONFIG.SYS on the disk
- the install disks stored anywhere else

so that the system was left unbootable and uninstallable.

THINK!

bye, Dani

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   11-Oct-99 20:27:18
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    12-Oct-99 00:19:04
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Eddy Thilleman wrote in a message to Rich Wonneberger:

 ET> Now, this is purely my humble opinion, this whole construction 
 ET> of linked partition tables with each partition table with room 
 ET> for only 4 pointers is a kludge, but the IBM compatible pc was 
 ET> (certainly not in the beginning of those pc's) not designed to 
 ET> use harddisks, and I guess this is still a legacy. 

Yep.

There's a simple way around it,  if you want a way around it for some reason
-- simply do what I did before there was any support in BIOS code for HDs, 
and boot off a floppy.  Then you can set it up however you want to.  <g>

This was the case with all of my CP/M boxes that came equipped with HDs.

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From: David Calafrancesco                               11-Oct-99 21:26:20
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   12-Oct-99 06:28:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Steve McCrystal wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 SM> ;
 SM> In a msg of <Thursday October 07 1999>, David Calafrancesco
 SM> writes to Will Honea:
 SM> ;
 SM> David,

 DC> What torqued me the most was that all I did was put the driver
 DC> into place in config.sys, shut down, rebooted and it instant
 DC> trapped. Tried rebooting to go to the command prompt and it traps
 DC> instantly after hitting Alt-F1. Then I fired up the install
 DC> disks, and they trap on bootup. I removed the drive and put a
 DC> different drive in as primary and everything boots fine. Haven't
 DC> dared try the DANIS driver a second time.

 SM> I couldn't help but notice several instances of "instant" in
 SM> the quote above. If the traps are indeed 'instant' do you
 SM> think Dani's driver really caused them?  Isn't it more
 SM> likely that the problem lies somewhere else, especially
 SM> given you machine wouldn't boot from floppies, which would
 SM> NEVER load Dani's driver? 

One of the first driver loaded, even before the recovery choices loads is the
IDE drivers. The other is the HPFS drivers. I think something caused the MBR
to get corrupted beyond all saving. If something corrupted the MBR or the HPFS 
tables thoroughly, then it is possible that every other boot that tried
bringing the HPFS drivers online would have trapped. 

 SM> Were you able to fix the problem with the original drive?
 SM> How? 

Deleted all partitions, and rewrote the MBR while the drive was in a different 
system as a secondary drive under WIN95. This was a brand new install and the
only thing I had done was apply all the recomended upgrades from the Warp-Up
CD. 

 SM> What switches did you use when you tried the DANIS506
 SM> driver? 

None if I recall correctly. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  11-Oct-99 21:50:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    12-Oct-99 06:28:28
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

*** Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-10-99 ***
> RW> If I had 1 Primary partition, and the rest logical partitions in an
> RW> extended partition, I couldnt have more then 4, 2 GIG partitions??
> 
> It's quite simple.

My question was a response to a statement that you cant format a partition as
FAT if its beyond the 1023rd cyl.  With drive translation this would be a 8
gig drive.  With the FAT limit of 2 gig per partition (aprox), you could have 
4 - 2 gig partitions as FAT.  (Azzume 1 pri, 3 extended for simplicity).

Why couldnt you create one more 2 gig partition as FAT in the extended??

I did learn a few things about the pointers from your reply btw.  :}

Thanks
Rich
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From: Stephen Haffly                                    10-Oct-99 21:26:13
  To: Will Honea                                        12-Oct-99 06:28:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

On (06 Oct 99) Will Honea wrote to David Calafrancesco...

Hi Will,

DC> Bull. I applied the latest DANIS506 driver and it blew the
DC> entire drive out on me. I couldn't even boot with floppies
DC> and access the drive, it would trap on any set of disks.
DC> When I finally got rid of the partition tables I could
DC> finally access the drive again. A terrible price to pay.

 WH> Just to be contrary for once in my life <g>, I have to say that I've
 WH> been using Dani's drivers for quite a while - with an 8.4g and a 6.4g
 WH> drive + CDROM - with no problem on this machine (VIA chipset).  It's
 WH> also performing well with machines using Intel and SIS chipsets for
 WH> me.  Much better performance on the VIA and SIS boards, about equal to
 WH> IBM1S506.ADD on the Intel 440bx set.

Unfortunately, my experience was more like David's than yours.  I was
trying it on a new VIA VA-503+ motherboard with a Western Digital 5.1 Gb
drive.  It wasn't a pretty sight.  It was glad to have a recent backup.

Reverting back to the IBM driver restored stability at the expense of
speed.  Now, I am not sure if it is the drive that is the problem (Are
Western Digital drives compatable with the DANIS506 driver?), or the
motherboard.  Since I don't have a non-WD drive to test with, I cannot
say.

I am sure that the DANIS506 driver is very good for some people.
Unfortunately, it wasn't for my particular system.  Perhaps one day,
I'll replace the drive with one of another brand, and the DANIS506
driver will work well for me as well.

What brand drive are you using anyway?


TTYL,

Stephen
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From: Stephen Haffly                                    10-Oct-99 21:34:19
  To: Daniela Engert                                    12-Oct-99 06:28:28
Subj: DANIS506 driver question

Hi Daniela,

Are there any known issues of hardware compatability issues with your
driver?  I tried it with a new VIA VA503+ motherboard with Cyrix 6x86
PR-166 processor and a Western Digital Caviar 5.1 Gb drive.  I wound up
with a corrupted disk drive.

Reverting back to the standard IBM1S506 driver (and restoring from
backup) made the system stable again at the expense of speed.  Since I
have read that others have used your driver with VIA chipsets with no
problems, could there be an issue with Western Digital drives (or with
Cyrix processors)?

I would like to try your driver again, but can't afford to have the
system destabilized.  I certainly would like the performance advantage
your driver delivers though.


TTYL,

Stephen
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From: David Calafrancesco                               11-Oct-99 23:02:09
  To: Daniela Engert                                    12-Oct-99 06:28:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Daniela Engert wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 DE> Thus quoth David Calafrancesco to Will Honea:
 DC> What torqued me the most was that all I did was put the driver into
 DC> place in config.sys, shut down, rebooted and it instant trapped.

 DE> So, obviously none of the BASEDEVs ever had a chance to
 DE> write *anything* (this is by design of BASEDEVs).

 DC> Tried rebooting to go to the command prompt and it traps instantly
 DC> after hitting Alt-F1.

 DE> At that point, another CONFIG.SYS (namely CONFIG.X in
 DE> \OS2\BOOT\) is used instead of the regular CONFIG.SYS

 DC> Then I fired up the install disks, and they trap on bootup. I
 DC> removed the drive and put a different drive in as primary and
 DC> everything boots fine. Haven't dared try the DANIS driver a second
 DC> time. 

 DE> So, then tell me how a system which never had a chance to
 DE> write anything managed to infect

 DE> - a different CONFIG.SYS on the disk
 DE> - the install disks stored anywhere else

 DE> so that the system was left unbootable and uninstallable.

 DE> THINK!

I have been using OS2 for many many years. Owned it since Version 1.3 and ran
it regularly from version 2.1. The only thing I can think of is that somewhere 
during the first boot, something corrupted the MBR or the HPFS structures.
Prior to installing your driver, I had just completed several install & reboot 
cycles following all the recomendations on the WarpUp CD. That brought it to
FP11, and all the rest of the latest fixes, updates and such. The system was
running stable and had been shutdown several times. I then installed your
driver, and during the boot it trapped. I can't say exactly where it trapped,
as I was not trying to move into the recovery choices. If I recall correctly,
and this was several weeks ago, the trap indicated it was in your driver. As
it was not imperitive that I replace the IDE driver, I didn't pay too much
attention to the trap messages, but instead rebooted and tried the boot again, 
and when that also trapped, rebooted again and tried several times and ways to 
get to the recovery choices prompt. 

Unfortunately I haven't the drive in that state anymore so I couldn't tell you 
what is on the drive. I had to wipe it thoroughly and it is now formatted as a 
6.4gb logical HPFS (not sure what it will be eventually). 

If I have time sometime in the future, I will give it another try.
Unfortunately I lost several hours of installs and had to start all over again 
from a clean install on a different hard drive. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Ruth Argust                                       12-Oct-99 00:51:27
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  12-Oct-99 10:09:22
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Leonard.

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 LE> Yep. Though you could have created a 2 gig primary partition, then
 LE> created the extended partition. That way, if you removed the other
 LE> drive, this one would be (potentially) bootable.

Well if all else fails, I can boot to MS-DOS 5.0 and fix anything I mess up :)

 LE> This stuff's old hat to me, but then I remember back when we had to
 LE> reformat the 10 meg HDs in the XTs to upgrade from DOS 2.1 to 3.1. 

The advent of the D drive... Funny how many people these days have one
gigantic C drive like old times <g>.

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From: Ruth Argust                                       12-Oct-99 00:56:24
  To: Mike Roark                                        12-Oct-99 10:09:22
Subj: CPU change

Hi Mike.

Mike Roark wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 MR> How many ISA slots do you need?

Four will do nicely.

 MR> Tyan S1590 comes with 4 ISA and 4 PCI (1 shared) and an AGP slot. 
 MR> It's a super 7 (socket 7) board that will accept any of the AMD 
 MR> processors up to the K6-3/450..

If it's not Intel, Gerry has a fit :) He still grumbles over the old days so I 
don't even mention it <g>. I'd love to find a nice, fast P3 or P4 something or 
other with enough ISA slots.

 RA> I am going to be known as the bargain shopper here soon <g>.

 MR> Naa. We all do that.. ;-))

Yup, the HD I have been looking at for another machine just came down $10 this 
past week. If I wait a couple more weeks, I might get it half-price ;)

                              *ruth*

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From: Matt Bedynek                                      12-Oct-99 06:15:24
  To: Ruth Argust                                       12-Oct-99 11:49:24
Subj: CPU change

Hello Ruth.

Tuesday October 12 1999 00:56, Ruth Argust wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> How many ISA slots do you need?

 RA> Four will do nicely.

I try to stay away from them if possible <g>.  I've gotten used to PCI and
AGP.

Out of three computers here, only one has a single ISA card.

 MR>> processors up to the K6-3/450..

 RA> If it's not Intel, Gerry has a fit :) He still grumbles over the old
 RA> days so I don't even mention it <g>. I'd love to find a nice, fast P3
 RA> or P4 something or other with enough ISA slots.

There are usually two different type of configurations.  I thing is 5/2/1 or
4/3/1 (pci/isa/agp).

To get anymore ISA slots you might need to get an older board.

Rgds, Matt

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   11-Oct-99 19:49:11
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   12-Oct-99 11:49:24
Subj: Matrox drivers?

On Friday October 08 1999 at 06:21, Steve McCrystal wrote to Roy J. Tellason:

 SM> I mentioned to the Webmaster of a commecrial (hardware vendor) site
 SM> that it was quite annoynig to have to discard 20 cookies to get to
 SM> their catalog pages, and another 20 to back out of it. He sent me a
 SM> reply suggesting that I turn on cookies so I wowuldn't have to bother
 SM> with it (I had already explained. in detail, why I wasn't going to do
 SM> that) then accused me of "bitching" about having to cancel all of
 SM> them twice.

FYI: Junkbuster can kill cookies without confirmation.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    11-Oct-99 13:33:15
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   12-Oct-99 21:15:10
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Steve McCrystal made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Steve,

 BH> Well if you look in your BIOS (I have 2.24) in the section
 BH> PNP/PCI Configuration you can set any IRQ to any PCI slot, so you
 BH> are able to take them apart.

 SM> Wheile this IS what Kris is talking about, it IS NOT what he
 SM> should be talking about as it's not what he wants (or thinks
 SM> he has to) do.

 SM> What he should be looking for is "Assign IRQ for VGA", which
 SM> is what he wants to disable, whether he knows it or not. 
 SM> Even if he can't, it's unlikely to cause tje problems he's
 SM> reported, but at least there'd be one less thing that he
 SM> doesn't understand.

I know, it's on some board, dut it doesn't help him do:-)
The nice part of it all is that he believes Dani, the person who has screwed
many systems with her buggy driver:-)
I have had problems with the 2.22 and 2.23 drivers, so I went back to the
drivers that came with the card, all problems went away, maybe the have
created problems in those drivers because of the G400 support, who knows.
But I never seen any IRQ problems, the kernal never ever halted on those
drivers just the WPS stopped:-)
And Netscape is a story on itself:-)

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Mike Roark                                        11-Oct-99 06:59:11
  To: David Calafrancesco                               12-Oct-99 21:15:10
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello David!

Friday October 08 1999 22:47, David Calafrancesco wrote to Mike Roark:

 BH>> You better go to an AMD-K6-3:-)

 MR>> Any particular reason why? I have the option to get either
 MR>> and the price is about the same. I haven't looked at the
 MR>> differences so I'm not familiar with them. the K6-2/266 that
 MR>> I have right now works quite nicely. That was the only real
 MR>> reason to use the same one.

 DC> A K6III-450 is almost twice as fast as a K6II-450. Unfortunately, the
 DC> cost is almost three times as much. I currently pay circa $54 for a
 DC> retail box K6II-400, $85 for the K6II-450, $160 for the K6III-400 and
 DC> $190 for the K6III-450.

That's answers that question.. And I do feel the need for speed. ;-) The only
problem I can see is convincing my wife I need it..



Have a good day!!
Mike
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From: David Calafrancesco                               12-Oct-99 22:30:23
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    13-Oct-99 07:31:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Stephen Haffly wrote in a message to Will Honea:

 SH> On (06 Oct 99) Will Honea wrote to David Calafrancesco...

DC> Bull. I applied the latest DANIS506 driver and it blew the
DC> entire drive out on me. I couldn't even boot with floppies
DC> and access the drive, it would trap on any set of disks.
DC> When I finally got rid of the partition tables I could
DC> finally access the drive again. A terrible price to pay.

 WH> Just to be contrary for once in my life <g>, I have to say that I've
 WH> been using Dani's drivers for quite a while - with an 8.4g and a 6.4g
 WH> drive + CDROM - with no problem on this machine (VIA chipset).  It's
 WH> also performing well with machines using Intel and SIS chipsets for
 WH> me.  Much better performance on the VIA and SIS boards, about equal to
 WH> IBM1S506.ADD on the Intel 440bx set.

 SH> Unfortunately, my experience was more like David's than
 SH> yours.  I was trying it on a new VIA VA-503+ motherboard
 SH> with a Western Digital 5.1 Gb drive.  It wasn't a pretty
 SH> sight.  It was glad to have a recent backup. 

 SH> Reverting back to the IBM driver restored stability at the
 SH> expense of speed.  Now, I am not sure if it is the drive
 SH> that is the problem (Are Western Digital drives compatable
 SH> with the DANIS506 driver?), or the motherboard.  Since I
 SH> don't have a non-WD drive to test with, I cannot say.

 SH> I am sure that the DANIS506 driver is very good for some
 SH> people. Unfortunately, it wasn't for my particular system. 
 SH> Perhaps one day, I'll replace the drive with one of another
 SH> brand, and the DANIS506 driver will work well for me as
 SH> well.

 SH> What brand drive are you using anyway?

Drive brand is less relevant than the fact that you and I are using the same
VIA MVP3 chipset with the same FIC BIOS. Only difference was I was using the
FIC2013 version (ATX instead of AT format). I was using a Fujitsue 6.4gb drive 
but that isn't important. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Ruth Argust                                       13-Oct-99 00:26:08
  To: Matt Bedynek                                      13-Oct-99 09:13:15
Subj: CPU change

Hi Matt!

Matt Bedynek wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 MB> I try to stay away from them if possible <g>.  I've gotten used to
 MB> PCI and AGP. 

 MB> Out of three computers here, only one has a single ISA card. 

I guess it would be simpler if we didn't have all the junk added on :)

 RA> I'd love to find a nice, fast P3 or P4 something or other with 
 RA> enough ISA slots.

 MB> There are usually two different type of configurations.  I thing is
 MB> 5/2/1 or 4/3/1 (pci/isa/agp).

We just ordered a new HD so when it gets here, we are going to verify for
certain how many ISA slots we need. At that point, if 3 will handle it, I
might be in business. 

 MB> To get anymore ISA slots you might need to get an older board. 

Running a P233 MMX processor now and can't go faster on this MB ... I don't
want to get any older :)

                              *ruth*

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From: Joe Provencio                                     13-Oct-99 11:57:19
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 11:57:19
Subj: Power Management in OS/2

As I get olderI forget things :( and need help to remember; a while back I had 
my monitor set to shut down after 20 minutes of inactivity. As I remember I
had it set through my computers BIOS. After I upgrdes the motherboard I can't
get the monitor to power down anymore even though I am using the same setup in 
the new motherboard's BIOS as I had in the motherboard I replaced. I've even
toyed withthe powermanagement that comes with OS/2 (the little battery icon)
and I can invole a powerdown of the monitor from that program but the monitor
will come back on after a few seconds ... I just can't remember how I had
configured my system so that my monitor would power down untii I pressed on
the keyboard ///
any help appreciated >>> tia

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From: Mike Roark                                        12-Oct-99 17:37:24
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Bas!

Sunday October 10 1999 10:40, Bas Heijermans wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> I have right now works quite nicely. That was the only real
 MR>> reason to use the same one.

 BH> There is a better option, you can let the 266 run with an 100Mhz bus
 BH> at 250 or 300Mhz, this would save you a CPU:-)

But, then I don't have the extra CPU that I'll need another Motherboard for,
and of course all the extra things that go with it to build up another
computer.. ;-)) You see, there is method to my madness..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
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From: Mike Roark                                        12-Oct-99 17:39:13
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bas!

Sunday October 10 1999 10:59, Bas Heijermans wrote to David Calafrancesco:

 DC>> drive and put a different drive in as primary and everything
 DC>> boots fine. Haven't dared try the DANIS driver a second
 DC>> time.

 BH> Here they screwed the desktop, I had to rebuild the ini's, that has
 BH> never happened before, I'm still recovering from that experiance.

I've run all of them except the 5th beta IIRC. For some reason, and it was
probably something silly, it wouldn't work. I dropped back to beta 4, and all
was well until I got 6. Now, I just drop the latest one in if I happen to see
it. It made a world of difference on drive access times. The whole system
seemed to work faster.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
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From: Mike Roark                                        12-Oct-99 19:46:18
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hello Eddy!

Sunday October 10 1999 14:22, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Rich Wonneberger:


 ET> An extended partition counts as a primary partition. 4 primary
 ET> partitions on one harddisk is the maximum, with extended partitions
 ET> counting as primary partitions because an extended partition takes the
 ET> place of one primary partition in the primary partition table.

 ET> An extended partition can "contain" one or more logical partitions.

And it doesn't limit the number of logical partitions because as need arises
another partition table can be created or the original enlarged. It isn't
limited by the 'boot' sector. DOS/WIN/NT are limited in the total number of
partitions A-Z. I think that OS/2 has the same limitation. *nix OTOH, doesn't
have this limitation, although the primary limitation does exist. At least on
IBM compatible computers. I have no idea what happens on mainframes.



 ET> Long (programmers) answer:
[deleted]

 ET> Why there is only room for 4 pointers in each partition table, IMHO,
 ET> because that had to fit in 256 bytes: half of the size of one sector,
 ET> the second half of the first physical sector on the harddisk, because
 ET> the first half of that sector is used as bootcode.

 ET> Now, this is purely my humble opinion, this whole construction of
 ET> linked partition tables with each partition table with room for only 4
 ET> pointers is a kludge, but the IBM compatible pc was (certainly not in
 ET> the beginning of those pc's) not designed to use harddisks, and I
 ET> guess this is still a legacy.

 ET> I hope you see now the reason why one harddisk is limited to 4 primary
 ET> partitions.

Best long and short explanation I've seen in a while..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
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From: Rob Basler                                        11-Oct-99 10:57:00
  To: Charles Bowman                                    13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

CB>Like I said, I've used this same setup in the past, the only difference
CB>is the size of the drive.  Even with Fat32 partitions on the drive it used
CB>to see them as separate logical Type F partitions.  This is no longer the
CB>case, now it just sees the extended partition as one large Type F
partition.
CB>It is this inability to see individual partitions beyond a certain limit
CB>that seems to be causing the problem.

CB>From what I understand OS/2 should be able to interpret an extended
partitio
CB>no matter what OS created it.

I have seen OS/2's FDISK have problems with Windows created partition
tables.  Things just didn't work.  The only solution that time was to
wipe out the partition table and start over with OS/2's FDISK.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        11-Oct-99 11:12:02
  To: Bryan Rubingh                                     13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: 1868 & IDE port

BR>Is there any way in the OS/2 config.sys to
BR>force a DOS device driver to load just once (at boot), rather than
BR>having the DOS device driver load every time a DOS session is started?

Nope, sorry.  You need an OS/2 device driver for this device.  Or a
program to manually configure it.  I don't have anything else to
suggest.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        12-Oct-99 11:42:05
  To: John Angelico                                     13-Oct-99 22:41:22
Subj: PC-Card Identification

JA>I am " " that close to getting my ThinkPad 760EL running sweetly but my
JA>last wrinkle is the PCCard combined LAN/Modem adapter.

If you have card services installed on your laptop, you should find that
the modem part just works when you plug it in, that might tell you more
about the card since it reads some internal information and displays it
on my system.  Also, there is a newer version of card services, I
believe it is available for free from Software Choice.  Getting my lan
adaptor drivers to work was a little tougher (a Xircom CEM28 28.8
Fax/Lan) and you will most likely need manufacturer's drivers for that.

The card services appear as a subdirectory of the OS/2 System folder on
my Thinkpad.  There is a monitoring program in that directory that will
tell you about the card services running on your system.

Sorry I don't have specifics, my wife has the laptop today.

Rob.
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  13-Oct-99 20:26:00
  To: David Calafrancesco                               14-Oct-99 05:34:02
Subj: Matrox drivers?

*** Quoting David Calafrancesco to Stephen Haffly dated 10-12-99 ***
> using the FIC2013 version (ATX instead of AT format). I was using a 
> Fujitsue 6.4gb drive but that isn't important. 

David,

Would you drive be a MPC3064AT ?
The part # indicates it should be 6.4 gig but.
I just got one from Compaq as a replacement drive for a 2.5 gig drive that
went bad.  Only problem, it gets recognised as a 3.2 gig drive.  I tried a
new MBR from OS/2, but no dice,  still gets detected as 3.2 gig.
There is a sticker on the drive 'RECONFIGURED BY FCPA'.  I dont know what that 
means, but I guess they re-programed the drive somehow??
Any idea how I can the the extra 3.2 gig back??

TIA
Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Holger Granholm                                   13-Oct-99 19:17:00
  To: Ruth Argust                                       14-Oct-99 06:50:18
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

In a message dated 10-12-99, Ruth Argust said to Leonard Erickson:

Hello Ruth,

RA>The advent of the D drive... Funny how many people these days have
RA>one gigantic C drive like old times <g>.

That is often the "legacy" from pre-installed Win9x. You are never given
the opportunity to partition the HD before the installation proceeds.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Bryan Rubingh                                     14-Oct-99 09:26:00
  To: Rob Basler                                        14-Oct-99 09:26:00
Subj: 1868 & IDE port


Being a hardware tinkerer, do you know how I can get the specs on the
1868 chip?  I've searched the net and not found anything but a white
paper on ESS's web site.  I sent them an email, but got no response.
I'd like to try writing a device driver for it, although I'm sure it
would get put on the back burner for now (at least until Y2k).

  Thanks,
  Bryan Rubingh


-=> Quoting Rob Basler to Bryan Rubingh <=-

 BR>Is there any way in the OS/2 config.sys to
 BR>force a DOS device driver to load just once (at boot), rather than
 BR>having the DOS device driver load every time a DOS session is started?

 RB> Nope, sorry.  You need an OS/2 device driver for this device.  Or a
 RB> program to manually configure it.  I don't have anything else to
 RB> suggest.

 RB> Rob.
 RB> ___
 RB> X SLMR 2.1a X Baroque (adj.): When you are out of Monet.

 RB> -!- Maximus/2 3.01
 RB>  ! Origin: Frog Hollow Port Moody BC 604-469-0264/0284 (1:153/290)



... Rube Ink - Custom Programming/Computer Solutions

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    11-Oct-99 13:02:26
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  14-Oct-99 22:10:00
Subj: Logitech Trackman Marble+

Hello Leonard,
donderdag 07 oktober 1999 07.43, Leonard Erickson wrote to All:

 LE> I'm one of the folks who tried using SCROLLMS with a Matrox video
 LE> card.
 LE> I've replaced MOUSE.SYS, but the system still can't bring up the
 LE> desktop.

Got _exactly_ the same problem. On a 'puter with an S3 Virge, the scrollms
program installed without a hictch, an the Matrox 'puter the desktop wouldn't
come up anymore.

My way out was to back out to plain VGA (alt+F1 --> F3) and reinstall the
Matroxdrivers again.
To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    12-Oct-99 11:15:23
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       14-Oct-99 22:10:00
Subj: CPU change

MIKE RUSKAI made noise to BAT LANG:

Hi Mike,

 MR> All the Pentium-class chips I've seen don't have a fixed
 MR> multiplier, but rely on the motherboard setting.

Well the Pentium-II-333 has a fixed clock, no matter what you do it will run
at 333 Mhz or it doesn't run at all.

 MR> For example, choosing a bus speed of 75MHz instead of 66MHz
 MR> would put the PCI bus at 37.5MHz, instead of the designed
 MR> speed of 33MHz.  Most devices work fine on a faster bus, but
 MR> some don't (such as 3COM PCI network adapters).

 MR> Despite this, overclocking the bus is both safer and more
 MR> effective than using a normal bus speed, and a higher
 MR> multiplier to overclock the CPU. The latter gives you more
 MR> raw CPU power, but the former reduces the bottleneck of the
 MR> system bus, which almost always makes for better overall
 MR> performance - especially with multitasking, where pushing
 MR> data over the bus becomes very important.

I feel the same way about this, too bad most only look at the CPU speed.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    13-Oct-99 11:13:22
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  14-Oct-99 22:10:00
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Leonard Erickson made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Leonard,

 BH> Sorry but your are wrong, you can have max 4 partitions, thats true,
 BH> but any Logicac partition resides within a extended partition so you
 BH> can have more than 4 on the same disk. For example, you have Bootmanger
 BH> (1), Dos primary (2), OS/2 primary (3), Etended partion (4) that does
 BH> contain D,E,F,G,H,I,J,etc... this is still the same partition but has
 BH> partitions within the extended partition. 

 LE> Terminolgy difference. By the terminology I know, the
 LE> extended partition contains logical *drives*, not
 LE> partitions.

You are correct from the DOS point of view, OS/2 and Partition Magic are
talking about logical partitions.
Well who cares, as long as we understand whats it all about:-)

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Mike Roark                                        13-Oct-99 20:53:26
  To: Ruth Argust                                       14-Oct-99 22:10:00
Subj: CPU change

Hello Ruth!

Tuesday October 12 1999 00:56, Ruth Argust wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> How many ISA slots do you need?

 RA> Four will do nicely.

 MR>> Tyan S1590 comes with 4 ISA and 4 PCI (1 shared) and an AGP slot.
 MR>> It's a super 7 (socket 7) board that will accept any of the AMD
 MR>> processors up to the K6-3/450..

 RA> If it's not Intel, Gerry has a fit :) He still grumbles over the old
 RA> days so I don't even mention it <g>. I'd love to find a nice, fast P3
 RA> or P4 something or other with enough ISA slots.

It handles the Intel processors up to P233mmx. It is definitely not a slot 1
board. I've been running a non-wintel machine for almost a year now. I'm not
going back. I just did an upgrade from 266 to 400 mhz, and the system flys
now.. ;-)

 MR>> Naa. We all do that.. ;-))

 RA> Yup, the HD I have been looking at for another machine just came down
 RA> $10 this past week. If I wait a couple more weeks, I might get it
 RA> half-price ;)

I learned that a long time ago.. ;-) I remember buying my first 'big' 212meg
HD for almost $500. Look at what you can get now. I've got my eye on one of
those 7200 18gig drives..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
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From: Mike Roark                                        13-Oct-99 20:58:26
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    14-Oct-99 22:10:00
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Stephen!

Sunday October 10 1999 21:26, Stephen Haffly wrote to Will Honea:

 SH> Western Digital drives compatable with the DANIS506 driver?), or the
 SH> motherboard.  Since I don't have a non-WD drive to test with, I cannot
 SH> say.

 SH> I am sure that the DANIS506 driver is very good for some people.
 SH> Unfortunately, it wasn't for my particular system.  Perhaps one day,
 SH> I'll replace the drive with one of another brand, and the DANIS506
 SH> driver will work well for me as well.

 SH> What brand drive are you using anyway?

Western Digital. Both 8.4 and 6.4gig drives. Running on a Tyan MB with a via
MVP3 chipset. Going back to the ibm driver is like going back from a Ferrari
to a Model T. I will say that I had problems with traps on one of the gamma
versions. Gamma 6 or 7 IIRC. But I dropped back and then 8 came out and I've
just kept upgrading. 1.09 or something like that. I don't look at the versions 
anymore.


 SH> TTYL,

 SH> Stephen
 SH> Team OS/2, Team GEOS
 SH> OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

 SH> ... MSDOS&PCDOS&CP/M&WINDOWSI'LLFIDDLEWITHOS/2WOULDN'TYOU?

 SH> -+- PPoint 3.00
 SH>  + Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:309/63.4)

Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
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From: David Calafrancesco                               14-Oct-99 21:13:11
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 RW> *** Quoting David Calafrancesco to Stephen Haffly dated
 RW> 10-12-99 *** 
> using the FIC2013 version (ATX instead of AT format). I was using a 
> Fujitsue 6.4gb drive but that isn't important. 

 RW> David,

 RW> Would you drive be a MPC3064AT ?

MPB3064AT

 RW> The part # indicates it should be 6.4 gig but.
 RW> I just got one from Compaq as a replacement drive for a 2.5
 RW> gig drive that went bad.  Only problem, it gets recognised
 RW> as a 3.2 gig drive.  I tried a new MBR from OS/2, but no
 RW> dice,  still gets detected as 3.2 gig.
 RW> There is a sticker on the drive 'RECONFIGURED BY FCPA'.  I
 RW> dont know what that means, but I guess they re-programed the
 RW> drive somehow??

It might have a defective platter and have been reconfigured to present only
3.2gb as a replacement for a 2.5gb drive. Call Comapaq and ask if it should be 
seeing the entire 6.4gb drive, and if so, return it for a new 6,4gb drive. 

 RW> Any idea how I can the the extra 3.2 gig back??

Sorry, no... I would guess that they either replaced the card, or reprogrammed 
one of the chips to shorten the drive. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               14-Oct-99 21:17:11
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: Logitech Trackman Marble+

Kris Steenhaut wrote in a message to Leonard Erickson:

 KS> Hello Leonard,
 KS> donderdag 07 oktober 1999 07.43, Leonard Erickson wrote to
 KS> All: 

 LE> I'm one of the folks who tried using SCROLLMS with a Matrox video
 LE> card.
 LE> I've replaced MOUSE.SYS, but the system still can't bring up the
 LE> desktop.

 KS> Got _exactly_ the same problem. On a 'puter with an S3
 KS> Virge, the scrollms program installed without a hictch, an
 KS> the Matrox 'puter the desktop wouldn't come up anymore.

 KS> My way out was to back out to plain VGA (alt+F1 --> F3) and
 KS> reinstall the Matroxdrivers again.
 KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet.

Your mouse is a serial mouse on Com4 (2E8, Irq 3), and as a result it
conflicts with the MGA chip that accesses that IO port. Move the serial port
to a different IO address. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               14-Oct-99 21:19:21
  To: all                                               15-Oct-99 02:07:00
Subj: DANIS506.ADD drivers

Hello all!

Is anyone using the DANIS506.ADD driver on an FIC motherboard using a VIA MVP3 
chipset with a Matrox G200 AGP based video card? I was only using a 6.4gb
drive so there likely wasn't any conflict there. There was either a Kingston
KNE40 or KNE120 PCI ethernet card in the system at the time. So far the common 
platform causing problems is the FIC VIA MVP3 chipset and possibly a Matrox. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Ruth Argust                                       14-Oct-99 20:11:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   15-Oct-99 06:08:04
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Holger.

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

RA>The advent of the D drive... Funny how many people these days have
RA>one gigantic C drive like old times <g>.

 HG> That is often the "legacy" from pre-installed Win9x. You are never
 HG> given the opportunity to partition the HD before the installation
 HG> proceeds. 

That's one good reason, we opt for buying in pieces and putting together our
own :)

                                 *ruth*

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From: Louis Aubree                                      07-Oct-99 08:36:00
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    15-Oct-99 06:08:04
Subj: Scsi Too expensive?

CG> SD> As soon as I get SCSI, I'll be burning CDs too. ;)
CG> 
CG>     SCSI is too expensive for me.
CG> 
CG>     Period.

Well, SCSI HD's are expensive. So, go on with ATAPI/IDE HD.
But you can use SCSI for a CD burner and a scanner and ...

For this, you don't need an up-to-date SCSI card. No wide bus, just
an internal 50 pin plug for the CD burner and an external 50 pin D
plug for the scanner. Cables provided with the peripherals!

And you don't need to pay the Adaptec premium prices. Look for other
brands : Tekram, Iwill, ...

   L.A.

P.S. The last cheap SCSI scanners were sold 12 months ago, here. (I
got one!). Now, all the market is for // and USB, except a few
expensive models. 

******>> This was in the OS2 echo, but please, reply here.
  
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From: Ruth Argust                                       14-Oct-99 20:17:12
  To: Mike Roark                                        15-Oct-99 07:02:06
Subj: CPU change

Hi Mike.

Mike Roark wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 MR>> Tyan S1590 comes with 4 ISA and 4 PCI (1 shared) and an AGP slot.
 MR>> It's a super 7 (socket 7) board that will accept any of the AMD
 MR>> processors up to the K6-3/450..

 RA> If it's not Intel, Gerry has a fit :) He still grumbles over the old
 RA> days so I don't even mention it <g>. I'd love to find a nice, fast P3
 RA> or P4 something or other with enough ISA slots.

 MR> It handles the Intel processors up to P233mmx.

That's the processor I have now though. 

 MR>  It is definitely not a slot 1 board.

I ordered the HD's today at last, got two 9.1 gigs for $200 including
shipping, so next week we will probably get to check out how many ISA slots we 
really need.

 MR>  I've been running a non-wintel machine for almost a
 MR> year now. I'm not going back. I just did an upgrade from 266 to 400
 MR> mhz, and the system flys now.. ;-)

I am envious :) I hope we can pick up some speed here too.

 MR> I learned that a long time ago.. ;-) I remember buying my first
 MR> 'big' 212meg HD for almost $500. Look at what you can get now. I've
 MR> got my eye on one of those 7200 18gig drives..

I like Quantum HD's. I would have preferred to buy the (approx) 20 gig one for 
$200 but since we wanted two, one for each machine, I opted for the 9.1 gigs. 

I remember way back when, how excited I was when I got a 500 meg drive for
about a dollar a meg and thought that was a deal <g>.

                               *ruth*

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   14-Oct-99 06:34:03
  To: Coridon Henshaw                                   15-Oct-99 16:45:24
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Monday October 11 1999>, Coridon Henshaw writes to Steve
McCrystal:
;
Coridon,

 CH> FYI: Junkbuster can kill cookies without confirmation.

Oh, I know.  And, if I could spare the week necessary to configure it, I'd let 
it.

It is also possible to let Netscape do it, but that eliminates all cookies,
which is not an option really.  There are sites that use cookies for
legitimate reasons.  I find it easier to just avoid sites (and by association) 
vendors who
don't, or who choose to annoy me with foolish code.

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   14-Oct-99 06:38:10
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    15-Oct-99 16:45:24
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Monday October 11 1999>, Bas Heijermans writes to Steve
McCrystal:
;
Bas,

 SM>> What he should be looking for is "Assign IRQ for VGA", which
 SM>> is what he wants to disable, whether he knows it or not.
 SM>> Even if he can't, it's unlikely to cause tje problems he's
 SM>> reported, but at least there'd be one less thing that he
 SM>> doesn't understand.

 BH> I know, it's on some board, dut it doesn't help him do:-)

Nothing seems to, altho many have tried!

 BH> The nice part of it all is that he believes Dani, the person who
 BH> has screwed many systems with her buggy driver

Two things here... first, he completely misunderstood Dani's docs, and based a 
number of false assumptions on that misunderstanding. Then he grabbed another
of Dani's comments (a very true comment, BTW) in another forum, and
misconstrued that to mean that Matrox cards won't 'share IRQs' It's quite
obvious that he doesn't understand either the original comments Dani made or
his interpretation of them. Those two, OTOH, are only two among a VERY large
number of things Kris has commented on, ad nauseum, that he doesn't
understand!

Second, calling Dani's drivers buggy is more than a bit unfair. I have used
them in the past, even the early releases, without significant problems.
Problems others have had have been addressed... and fixed.  I know of nobody
who has had serious problems that can (correctly) be traced directly to Dani's 
drivers.

OTOH, I've asked before, and I'll ask again...

Could we have a show of hands of those people who actually understand what
"ALPHA" and "BETA" mean with respect to software development?

 BH> maybe the have created problems in those drivers because of the G400
 BH> support, who knows.

Some problems indeed happened because of the BETA support for the G400,
especially in the Beta release that Matrox specifically requested NOT be
distributed by anyone but Matrox. Not surprisingly, the problems happened to
people who did not have a G400, and thus should not have been using the Beya
in the first place!  It hit the Net, via Hobbes, as I recall, and the
complaints started.  The guy who posted it to Hobbes sure did the OS/2
community a real service, didn't he?

Again, this sort of thing is why I'm a big supporter of closed betas, but they 
only work if all the players understand the rules. Unfortunately, if the Beta
gets out, that is unlikely.

-[Steve]-

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