
                  OS/2 Hardware Issues             (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 02-Oct-1999 to Friday, 08-Oct-1999

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From: George Fliger                                     30-Sep-99 06:35:19
  To: Mike Roark                                        02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Re: Iomega Zip

On 26 Sep 99 08:34pm, Mike Roark wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 MR> Hello Eddy!

 MR> Thursday September 23 1999 10:19, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris
 MR> Steenhaut:

 ET>>> I'm running the Matrox v2.21 video driver at 1280x102 at 32-bits.

 KS>> The 2.21 don't work anymore here, probably coz they don't cope
 KS>> with the 2.6 bios and FP9.

 ET> I'm using the Matrox BIOS v2.3

 MR> He is making statements about HIS system. Mine works fine with
 MR> 2.22.078 and BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21 also.

Running 2.30.089 here with NO problems.

George


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From: David Calafrancesco                               30-Sep-99 21:15:29
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 RJT> David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 DC> Charles Bowman wrote in a message to Will Honea:

 CB> Will Honea wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 WH> It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it
 WH> as a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.
 WH> You can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.

 CB> When I tried to create the extended and logical partitions
 CB> with Warp it didn't work either.  Is there a nondestructive
 CB> method of changing from type F to something OS/2
 CB> understands?

 DC> Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive
 DC> way that I am aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be
 DC> able to access a FAT32 drive.  

 RJT> I thought this didn't sound right,  so I did a quick search
 RJT> of "fat32" on my OS/2 files list,  and came up with this:

 RJT> OS2FAT32.ZIP  152259 01-31-98  [    ] beta software to let
 RJT> you read W95 FAT32 -
 RJT> VFAT_001.ZIP  179908 01-31-98  [    ] Beta version software
 RJT> and driver to                                have OS/2
 RJT> operate a Windows 95 partitioned and                        
 RJT>        formatted partition.

 RJT> Not one,  but two of them.  Probably later versions of it
 RJT> are out there by now...

I have yet to hear of any of these that allow error free FAT32 access under
OS2. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               30-Sep-99 21:17:18
  To: Dan Egli                                          02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Dan Egli wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 -=> Quoting David Calafrancesco to Charles Bowman <=-
 DC> Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive way that I
 DC> am aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be able to access a FAT32
 DC> drive.
 DC> Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
 DC> dave@drakkar.org

 DE> Shameless plug here, but Partition Magic can convert
 DE> fat<>fat32 nondestructively

I just had cause to try that today and was left with a Type F partition that
OS2 couldn't access ;)

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               30-Sep-99 21:22:23
  To: Charles Bowman                                    02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Charles Bowman wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 CB> David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 DC> Obviously as seen below OS2 handles large drives just fine, with
 DC> the correct fixpack or IDEDASD/IBM1S506 driver loaded. Type F is a
 CB> -
 DC> First, if OS2 FDISK can't see the whole drive properly, update your
 DC> system to the correct large IDE device drivers. As you can see
 DC> below, this is an 18 gb IDE drive running under OS2. 

 CB> I've tried all that Dave, pretty sure that I didn't leave
 CB> any of the steps out. The bios is set for LBA, 

How old is the MBD and when was the last time you flashed the BIOS?

 CB> I'm using the latest IDE drivers and OS/2 would not allow me to 
 CB> partition the entire 27 gig drive.  If I get a chance this 
 CB> weekend I will give it another shot, just in case I missed a
 CB> combination that would work.

It is also possible that the drivers don't handle that size drive yet. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Andy Roberts                                      30-Sep-99 11:30:00
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Modem Upgrade?

* Replying to a message in : SAVEAREA

 Rich Wonneberger,

29-Sep-99 21:53:00, Rich Wonneberger wrote to Andy Roberts
 RW> *** Quoting Andy Roberts to George White dated 09-28-99 ***
          Subject: Modem Upgrade?

 AR>> packet part of the technology seemed to me to be a lot like the
 AR>> X-10 (remote control and automation) signals that are inserted on
 AR>> the A/C Mains with very critical timing.  Of course I'm just
 AR>> picking those 2 references out of devices I am already familiar
 AR>> with to some extent (not what was mentioned in the report.)  Again
 AR>> from my own experience I know X-10 signals (usually about 5 volts)
 AR>> are stopped dead at the 1st transformer.  But 1 odd thing about
 AR>> X-10 signals is that they will sometimes work across both legs of
 AR>> the A/C Mains, even without an additional bridge, although the
 AR>> signal is inserted onto

 RW> I have that problem here.

Replied in HOME_AUTOMATION echo with source and price for bridge.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  01-Oct-99 01:05:01
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

 -=> Quoting Garth Ramsay to ALL <=-

 GR> Need some help with this one....

 GR> I just purchased a Logitech M-S48... 3 button mouse + scroll wheel
 GR> no drivers available from Logitech (that I could find).

 GR> Using the stock mouse driver all runs fine but no scrollwheel support.
 GR> I've gotten used to this mouse at work and like it for the net....

 GR> I downloaded the file below and installed it and boom... system
 GR> crashes...

 GR> The download file is scrollms.exe file size 95109

 GR> the mouse.sys file included in this is 23721 file date 4.29.99

 GR> Running warp 4, fixpack 11

 GR> Aopen AX6BC motherboard, 128mb PC100 ram, Intel Celeron 300A cpu

 GR> Matrox G200 video card...   So far works fine... ;->

 GR> After installing this driver using the install routine when I reboot
 GR> my computer the workplace shell starts to load and just hangs..
 GR> After the screen goes from the default blue background to my colour
 GR> choice but before the desktop loads IE: no Icons...
 GR> I hear a single beep..
 GR> The "wait I'm busy" clock comes up...
 GR> I can move it around with the mouse...
 GR> Therefore the mouse is loading but...
 GR> it doesn't go any further...
 GR> I'm left looking at an empty screen.

 GR> The worst part is I'm forced to do a complete reinstall after...
 GR> No error messages no nothing (that I could find).

 GR> I can boot to command line and this works but it appears as though
 GR> my desktop is blown up...

 GR> It all appears to be video related but...
 GR> If I replace the new mouse.sys with the old one the problem continues.
 GR> if I boot to a standard VGA it still happens.

I've got the same problem. I hadn't thought it was the mouse driver, as
I'd installed some other stuff too.

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From: Peyton Bay                                        01-Oct-99 08:55:00
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

RW> I would like to control it from OS/2, not WinOS2 which I didnt
RW> load..

Rich, to my knowledge, there is no OS/2 software for the cm11a/hd11a
controllers (the only ones I have ANY knowledge of)...Windows only
from IBM or X10. There is, however, some Linux stuff that people are 
working on.

RW> The s-ware you have, is it some form of basic, or an executable?? 
RW> I've heard  some controllers can be operated from basic commands

I have both IBM's Home Director and X10's Active Home. Home Director
being an earlier version of Active Home. Both are executables.

Programming information is available and amounts to the low-speed 
twiddling of bits on a serial port. It should be doable from anything
that  lets you get to the serial port. Note that I am referring only to
the  cm11a/hd11a systems which are basicily low-cost introductions to
home  automation. There are other, more expensive (and capable) systems 
available. 

If you are interested, there is a very active home automation news 
group called, strangely enough: "comp.home.automation". 

Peyton

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From: Robert Nieuwenhuis                                30-Sep-99 14:53:07
  To: David Calafrancesco                               02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

David Calafrancesco wrote 28 Sep 1999 , 21:30 to Charles Bowman:

 DC> Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive way
 DC> that I am aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be able to
 DC> access a FAT32 drive.  

Type F is the Windows Extended partition, LBA-mapped.
Have a look at: 

http://www.win.tue.nl/math/dw/personalpages/aeb/linux/partitions/
                                                  partition_type s-1.html

I had the same problems on a Warp4 / Win98 setup, Dunno if it was W98 or
Partition Magic 4 that caused the change to type F. I have used Norton's
diskedit pgm under PCDOS7 to correct the entry in cyl 0, side 0, sector 1.
After that everything was back to normal.  

Greetz, Robert (rnieuw@capitolonline.nl) 
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From: Charles Bowman                                    01-Oct-99 07:41:13
  To: David Calafrancesco                               02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 DC> How old is the MBD and when was the last time you flashed the BIOS?

The board is a Soyo 6BA, about 2 years old.  The current bios is
about 8 months old.

 CB> I'm using the latest IDE drivers and OS/2 would not allow me to 
 CB> partition the entire 27 gig drive.  If I get a chance this 
 CB> weekend I will give it another shot, just in case I missed a
 CB> combination that would work.

 DC> It is also possible that the drivers don't handle that size drive
 DC> yet.  

I'm leaning hard in this direction now.  How long did it take IBM to
build in >8.4 support?  What is ironic is that IBM is leading the pack
with the large 7200rpm drives.  Hopefully I'll find some time this
weekend and I can explore all the combinations.

cbowman57@hotmail.com 
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Sep-99 08:27:26
  To: Mike Roark                                        02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Mike,

26 Sep 99 20:34, Mike Roark wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

MR> He is making statements about HIS system.

And I was making statements about MY system. Ofcourse Kris was talking about
his system.

MR> Mine works fine with 2.22.078 and BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21
MR> also.

And you're making statements about YOUR system.

MR> Have a good day!!

Have a nice day!

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Mike Roark                                        30-Sep-99 17:26:23
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bas!

Sunday September 26 1999 14:17, Bas Heijermans wrote to Holger Granholm:

 BH> The videocard has nothing to do with it, I have several machines with
 BH> diverend cards, NS crashes on all of them. NS is junk-soft, I'm still
 BH> looking for something better.

I see someone else is hoping for a port of Opera.. ;-)


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 2d 21h 31m 04s 937ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        30-Sep-99 20:36:18
  To: Charles Bowman                                    02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hello Charles!

Wednesday September 29 1999 17:35, Charles Bowman wrote to David
Calafrancesco:

 DC>> access a FAT32 drive.

 CB> I've run this exact configuration in the past, with one exception, the
 CB> HD was 6.4 gigs.  It seems that OS/2 just isn't designed to install,
 CB> or boot from a drive this large.

I run my OS/2 on an 8.4gig drive, with a second 6.4gig drive which holds my
maintenance partition. Both boot just fine, and installed that way. You do
however need the updated ide drivers from IBM, or the Danis506 driver for it
to boot and see either of these drives.


 CB> When I boot OS/2 from my 4.0 gig drive it works fine and using Henk's
 CB> fat32 drivers it sees all the partitions without a problem.

 CB> Oh well, obviously I'm at an impass until Warp gets updated a little.
 CB> I was hoping that someone had encountered and overcome this problem.
 CB> <g>

Grab the latest IDEDASD.exe from the DDpak or Hobbes. Follow the instructions
on how to update the install disks. Then try the install.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 3d 0h 43m 36s 625ms (en).

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    01-Oct-99 04:06:17
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Kris Steenhaut made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Kris,

 BH> My problems have started after testing the Danis506.Add driver, not
 BH> before. Matrox has never given me problems whatsoever.

 KS> I don't think you can blame Dani's driver for that.

I have used one of the early Dani drivers and that one has screwed my desktop
totaly, after that happend I never touched or will touch that driver again.

 BH> Please don't twist my words, I have installed many Matrox'ses, it's
 BH> the best card arround for OS/2.

 KS> Maybe in the past, not for now anymore.

It still is, maybe if you stop messing arround so much in OS/2 your problems
would go away:-)

 BH>  Ati and S3-cards are really a pain in

 KS> The Ati and S3-Virge do work excellent now, with the latest
 KS> drivers. Especially the S3 with the latest 1.03.25 drivers.

Have you ever tried to work with the newer range of ATI, like the 128 series?
Well have fun! Ati is very un-cool in the OS/2 area.
The S3 cards are only good where it's the S3Trio series about, they are stable 
and well written, all the rest of them are unpredictable of the stability.

BH> the butt, drivers and stability. I suspect that de Dani drivers are
BH> the major problem with the Matrox problems we see arrise now.

 KS> No. The big problem with Matrox are the Matrox drivers.
 KS> These drivers don't cope too well with sharing IRQ. That's
 KS> the reason why the Matrox behave well on older systems, and
 KS> why they have problems on newer one's.

O please!
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Shared IRQ's has little to do with the drivers but all with the hardware
design of the cards used and/or the motherboard.
In case you don't know most motherboards can turn off or on the IRQ that can
be assigned to the videocard, it doesn't make much of a diverance either way.
I grant you that the Matrox 2.22 and the 2.23 drivers are not good in some
cases, but they certanly won't hog the CPU, they only hang the WPS.
The only thing software can do with IRQ's is clearing them (CLI instruction)
but to let that have much impact the CLI has to be looped, and I still have to 
see a programmer who is that stupid to use that in their driver.
And in case if they have done so it will lock your entire system (if even
possible with OS/2) that you would have to use the reset button to get out of
it, even ATL-CTRL-NUMLOCK-NUMLOCK won't work anymore, and that's something I
have never seen in any driver.

 BH> And for your information, Netscape is a piece of junk and gives 
 BH> problems on any system.

 KS> You are absolutely wrong about that. Comm404 behaved rather
 KS> well, the new comm461 is stable and works well.

If we take a vote on that here in the area you will lose big time:-)

 KS> It is on the contrary my impression, Netscape was (and is)
 KS> falsely blamed for problems caused by the Matrox drivers.

Well here in all of my systems NS give lots of problems, with dropped FTP's,
crashing randomly, leaving threads open after closing, refusing to start,
showing pages only after reloads and so on.
But only 1 out of the 3 systems has a Matrox card, the others have
WesternDigital 90C31 and a S3Trio64, the results are the same.
Even the OS/2 versions are diverend, one is Warp 4 US-fp10, the other Warp 4
US-fp9 and the last Warp Server Advanced 4 SMP-US-fp42.
Also 3 diverend machines, one is an AMD-K6-2-350 with 192MB ram, the other an
AMD 5x86-133 (overclocked to 160Mhz) with 48MB ram and the Server has 2x Intel 
PI-133 with 96MB.
I have tried NS202, 404 and the latest 4.61, all with the same problems.
The only program that's giving me big problems on all of them is NS, so why
should I be convinced that it has anything to do with Matrox??????
O and before I forget, I even tried the Win'95 version 4.6? (forgot the last
number:-) under Win'95 OSR2 and it has the same problems.
The only good versions of NS that I have seen so far are the ones for BeOS and 
Linux.
This brings me to the conclusion that NS is crap, allmost any version.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: John Thompson                                     01-Oct-99 08:07:00
  To: Charles Bowman                                    02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

In a message to Will Honea, Charles Bowman wrote re: Big Hard Drives & Warp

WH> It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it
WH> as a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.
WH> You can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.
 
CB> When I tried to create the extended and logical partitions with Warp
CB> it didn't work either.  Is there a nondestructive method of changing
CB> from type F to something OS/2 understands?

Linux' fdisk can change partition types for you.  Partition Magic
v4.01 has a "Partition Table Editor" that can also do this.


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From: Bat Lang                                          01-Oct-99 15:14:13
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Bas Heijermans, [29 Sep 99  12:34:33] <=-

 ET> I'm only using Netscape Communicator v4.04 (with the memory leaks it
 ET> comes with), Netscape Communicator v4.61 is supposed to correct this,
 ET> but I haven't tried it yet. You could also try the Opera browser, I
 ET> haven't tried this one either.             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Isn't Opera strictly a WIN browser? I am unaware of any OS/2 version,
but would be happy to learn of such. Thanks for any light, and Good
Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Charles Bowman                                    01-Oct-99 18:52:00
  To: David Calafrancesco                               02-Oct-99 02:41:15
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Thanks Dave, Cyrill, Dan & everybody else that chimed in.

Well, not sure what steps I left out, or what combinations
I missed the last time I tried it but with your suggestions
and encouragement I finally got Warp installed on my WD 27.3G
drive.  Using PartitionMagic I moved everything off the big
drive to a backup drive then used OS/2 fdisk to delete my Type
F extended partition.  Then created enough logical partitions
to fill the remainder of the drive with an entirely OS/2
created extended partition.  The final step was to copy the
partitions back and check it out.  Everything works great now,
if nothing else I can confirm that OS/2 will boot from at least
a 27G drive.

Again, thanks for sticking with me while I sorted it out.  I
was ready to give it up.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   01-Oct-99 20:40:00
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

In a message dated 09-29-99, Steve Mccrystal said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Steve,

SM>It was, OTOH, a Netscape problem, not one caused by the Matrox
SM>drivers as Kris hypothesized.  He seems to have misinterpreted one
SM>offhand comment in Dani's docs, and uses it to blame everything from
SM>Netscape bugs to Aids to drug abuse on the 'sucking Matrox drivers'.

Yeah, I've noticed but until now I have mostly managed to keep my big
mouth shut.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Andy Roberts                                      01-Oct-99 11:43:21
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

 Rich Wonneberger,

30-Sep-99 22:18:00, Rich Wonneberger wrote to Peyton Bay
 RW> *** Quoting Peyton Bay to Rich Wonneberger dated 09-30-99 ***
          Subject: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

 RW> I would think cm11a is hardware, and I would like to run it under OS/2

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I just picked that up from Pete Norloff's OS/2 ShareWare BBS.  Sorry I posted
the previous version in the HOME_AUTOMATION echo yesterday.

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From: George Fliger                                     01-Oct-99 06:24:25
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

On 28 Sep 99 01:08pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Bas Heijermans:

 KS> No. The big problem with Matrox are the Matrox drivers. These
 KS> drivers don't cope too well with sharing IRQ. That's the reason
 KS> why the Matrox behave well on older systems, and why they have
 KS> problems on newer one's.

Please.  You're so far out in left field you need a space shuttle to
keep in touch.  My hardware (and the hardware for the 50+ systems at the
Clearwater airport I maintain) is the latest and have no problems with
Matrox cards or drivers.  I'm talking a mixture of clones plus name
brands like Compaq, IBM, Dell and NEC.

If you're going to "try" and rub a product into the dirt, at least know
what you're talking about before the attempt.

 KS> You are absolutely wrong about that. Comm404 behaved rather
 KS> well, the new comm461 is stable and works well.

More stable now with Beta2 but that couldn't be claimed just a few weeks
ago.  You forget, I beta test Comm 4.61 also so I'm well aware of the
problems people have been having with it.  Video drivers have NOT been
any major issue, Matrox or not.  So, try again.

 KS> It is on the contrary my impression, Netscape was (and is)
 KS> falsely blamed for problems caused by the Matrox drivers.

Then you haven't been following the beta information very close.

George


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From: George Fliger                                     01-Oct-99 06:33:08
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

On 29 Sep 99 12:01pm, Bas Heijermans wrote to Holger Granholm:

 BH> Holger Granholm made noise to Bas Heijermans:

 BH> Hi Holger,

HG> I don't think your difficulties FTPing files with NS can be
HG> blamed on which video controller you are using.

BH> I haven't blamed it on the videocard, Kris steenhaut did.
BH> NS does the same thing on various machines and by lot's op people.

 HG> Yes I know. Even though I mostly use FTP it happens that a
 HG> site doesn't support FTP and in that case I'm forced to use
 HG> NS but it has never let me down.

 BH> I have several things like fixing the TCP/IP stack - no help,
 BH> fixing OS/2 - no help, tried on several machines - no help.
 BH> The problem is pure NS related because FTP and FTPPM do their

I can't explain why you're having these problems.  NS's built-in FTP
support works fine for me.  The latest fixpak, Java updates and many
other things have downloaded just fine for me.

 BH> work the wy they should.
 BH> BTW I just installed NS4.61 and it has the same problems, I'm
 BH> going away from NS and go find me some better browser.
 BH> That bloody thing does also things I don't want to happen, like
 BH> the other day, I needed to be on www.dominace.net (Nokia sat
 BH> box support site) and I typed by mistake www.dominance.com
 BH> witch is a porn-site, so decided to leave that site but it
 BH> wouldn't close on me and opened every time a new window to send
 BH> me back, even when I changed the url. I had to kill NS to get
 BH> rid of them!

Then I'm afraid you need to educate yourself on some of these porn
sites.  This is a very common practice to get you to stay within their
realm so they have a chance to possibly sell you some of their services.
When you hit a site that acts like this, simply go into preferences,
advanced and turn off Javascript.  This will stop the action.  You can
then enter in a URL you want to go to and you will be able to get out of
the Javascript "loop".  Once out you simply reenable Javascript.

This behavior is *EXACTLY THE SAME* when hitting one of these sites with
a Windows version of Netscape or Internet Explorer.  I know, I've had it
happen to me at work (somewhat embarrasing to say the least!).

George


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From: Scott Jones                                       01-Oct-99 10:47:05
  To: David Calafrancesco                               02-Oct-99 12:13:29
Subj: Re: Big Hard Drives & Warp

-=> On 30 Sep 99  21:15:58, David Calafrancesco wrote to Roy J. Tellason <=-


 RJT> Not one,  but two of them.  Probably later versions of it
 RJT> are out there by now...

 DC> I have yet to hear of any of these that allow error free FAT32 access
 DC> under OS2.

IOW, it's pretty close to actually running Windows.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Scott Jones                                       01-Oct-99 11:17:12
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    02-Oct-99 12:13:29
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

-=> On 29 Sep 99  12:01:34, Bas Heijermans wrote to Holger Granholm <=-


 BH> away from NS and go find me some better browser. That bloody thing does
 BH> also things I don't want to happen, like the other day, I needed to be
 BH> on www.dominace.net (Nokia sat box support site) and I typed by mistake
 BH> www.dominance.com witch is a porn-site, so decided to leave that site
 BH> but it wouldn't close on me and opened every time a new window to send
 BH> me back, even when I changed the url. I had to kill NS to get rid of
 BH> them!

That's not an NS problem, but rather a bit of "clever" JavaScript
coding on the part of the so-called webmaster.  It would affect any
JavaScript-enabled web browser the same way.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Scott Jones                                       01-Oct-99 11:24:29
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  02-Oct-99 12:13:29
Subj: Re: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

-=> On 30 Sep 99  22:18:00, Rich Wonneberger wrote to Peyton Bay <=-


 > Not to get too far off topic here ... but if you are referring to the
 > x10 cm11a (or the IBM hd11a) controller, mine works fine under WINOS2.

 RW> I would think cm11a is hardware, and I would like to run it under OS/2,
 RW> so it shouldnt be off topic here..

 RW> I would like to control it from OS/2, not WinOS2 which I didnt load..

There is a shareware package called House/2, by Armin Schwarz, for the
CM11A/CM12x controllers.  You can find it at:

http://home.att.net/~ASchw/house2.html.


                              Scott Jones
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From: David Calafrancesco                               02-Oct-99 01:51:18
  To: Charles Bowman                                    02-Oct-99 12:13:29
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Charles Bowman wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 CB> David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 DC> How old is the MBD and when was the last time you flashed the BIOS?

 CB> The board is a Soyo 6BA, about 2 years old.  The current
 CB> bios is about 8 months old.

 CB> I'm using the latest IDE drivers and OS/2 would not allow me to 
 CB> partition the entire 27 gig drive.  If I get a chance this 
 CB> weekend I will give it another shot, just in case I missed a
 CB> combination that would work.

 DC> It is also possible that the drivers don't handle that size drive
 DC> yet.  

 CB> I'm leaning hard in this direction now.  How long did it
 CB> take IBM to build in >8.4 support?  What is ironic is that
 CB> IBM is leading the pack with the large 7200rpm drives. 
 CB> Hopefully I'll find some time this weekend and I can explore
 CB> all the combinations.

You could also try the 3rd party IDE driver called DANIS506, look for it on
Hobbes. Also look at what options you have available for LBA and possibly LBA2 
support in the motherboard. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    01-Oct-99 14:19:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   02-Oct-99 14:25:01
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Holger Granholm made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Holger,

BH>The videocard has nothing to do with it, I have several machines
BH>with diverend cards, NS crashes on all of them.
BH>NS is junk-soft, I'm still looking for something better.

 HG> YMMV, I have two machines that are completely different, one
 HG> Pentium and another 486DX2 and with nothing else common not
 HG> even file system (FAT on one and HPFS on the other) but NS
 HG> works perfectly on both machines. 

You are very luckey than, it's here nmot the case, nor at any other machine I
have seen so far.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                02-Oct-99 15:55:02
  To: Bat Lang                                          02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: Opera the browser

01 Oct 99 15:14, Bat Lang wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 BL> Isn't Opera strictly a WIN browser? I am unaware of any OS/2 version,
 BL> but would be happy to learn of such. Thanks for any light, and Good
 BL> Modeming!  /\oo/\

http://www.operasoftware.com/alt_os.html - Opera, Project Magic (IIRC).
They've been porting Opera to about a dozen platforms other than Windoze
for about the last two years.

Still waiting. :>

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: George White                                      30-Sep-99 18:38:17
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 wa

Hi Leonard,

On 28-Sep-99, Leonard Erickson wrote to George White:



 GW>> In what way is ISDN "more than mere data lines"? Over here BT has
 GW>> something called "Home Highway", which is a slightly limited
 GW>> version of the full IDSN package marketed via a different
 GW>> internal division at a cost effectively very little less than the
 GW>> full ISDN. I understand that to install "Home Highway" BT runs a
 GW>> test on the existing copper link back to the exchange and if it's
 GW>> good enough changes the line interface module at the exchange and
 GW>> allocates 2 extra telephone numbers to you. And that's all there
 GW>> is to it for them (plus nearly trippling the line rental
 GW>> charges). The customer has to install an ISDN modem/interface at
 GW>> their end and off they go.

 LE> Actually, you get three "lines". 2 B channels (64k digital) used
 LE> for voice or data. And 1 D channel used for "signalling". That is,
 LE> the D channel carries the dialing info, the ring/busy/etc progress
 LE> signals, and also carries the "ringing" signal *to* your ISDN
 LE> adapter/phone.

1 existing + 2 extra = 3 lines.

 LE> In some places, the phone company allows the D channel to be used
 LE> for low volume 9600 bps "packet" transmission.
 LA>> Also, ISDN has a _guaranteed_ (steady) data flow speed from end
 LA>> to end and a guaranteed delivery, and even is less prone to
 LA>> eavesdrop, all of this when using ISDN from end to end.

 GW>> Maybe for you. BT guarantee very little (except that they will
 GW>> bill you at regular intervals!).
 LE> If ISDN works *at all* you get 64kbps on each B channel.

Sure, but BT "Home Highway" is "ISDN light" - I doubt if BT will
_guarantee_ 64kbps throughput down "Home Highway" lines (which are
just POTS lines with the exchange line interface modules changed from
analogue to digital ones) as there may well not be the backbone
bandwidth available into the exchanges to support more than a limited
number of users concurrently at full speed. However all this is
speculation. What I _am_ certain about is that they will bill for the
service at regular intervals.


George

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  02-Oct-99 21:27:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      03-Oct-99 01:23:10
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-01-99 ***
> House2.Zip                      06-18-99       1,305,948
>     HOUSE/2 ver. 1.8 - Home Automation & Security for OS/2 Warp version
> 3.0
(bit del)
> I just picked that up from Pete Norloff's OS/2 ShareWare BBS.  Sorry I 
> posted
> the previous version in the HOME_AUTOMATION echo yesterday.

Andy,

Got the other message also.  Will have to look for this one.

Isnt the cm11 (or 12) the device Radio Shack (ugg) sells under their name??

Thanks
Rich
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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    01-Oct-99 08:53:26
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Oct-99 13:31:02
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bas,
woensdag 29 september 1999 12.01, Bas Heijermans wrote to Holger Granholm:

 BH> I have several things like fixing the TCP/IP stack - no help, fixing
 BH> OS/2 - no help, tried on several machines - no help. The problem is
 BH> pure NS related because FTP and FTPPM do their work the wy they
 BH> should. BTW I just installed NS4.61 and it has the same problems, I'm
 BH> going away from NS and go find me some better browser. That bloody
 BH> thing does also things I don't want to happen, like the other day, I
 BH> needed to be on www.dominace.net (Nokia sat box support site) and I
 BH> typed by mistake www.dominance.com witch is a porn-site, so decided to
 BH> leave that site but it wouldn't close on me and opened every time a
 BH> new window to send me back, even when I changed the url. I had to kill
 BH> NS to get rid of them!

That's not an NS's problem, but an operater's one:

preferences --> smart browsing

There a preferences setting in that respect for messages & newsgroups too,
BTW.



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    01-Oct-99 09:01:00
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Oct-99 13:31:02
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Bas,
woensdag 29 september 1999 22.29, Bas Heijermans wrote to Mike Roark:

 BH> Mike Roark made noise to Eddy Thilleman:

 BH> Hi Mike,

 ET>>>> I'm running the Matrox v2.21 video driver at 1280x102 at
 ET>>>> 32-bits.

 KS>>> The 2.21 don't work anymore here, probably coz they don't cope
 KS>>> with the 2.6 bios and FP9.

 ET>> I'm using the Matrox BIOS v2.3

 MR>> He is making statements about HIS system. Mine works fine
 MR>> with 2.22.078 and BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21 also.

 BH> I had problems too with the 2.22 and 2.23 drivers,

?? Didn't  I hear you saying one day someones "weird CD-rom" was the culprit,
lately? :-)

 BH>  those are a mess,
 BH> like locking up the WPS and other things. My observation learned me
 BH> that all drivers below 2.22 are working fine with BIOS 2.6.

Well it doesn't here, and on top of that, the latest "official" GA 2.31
drivers are a mess too.

That's not your fault, ofcoz. What I baffles me  how on earth you are still
saying the Matrox are still the very best. On new  systems the Matrox have to
be avoided at all cost, due to the sucking drivers. That's a mere fact.

And try to remember: Warp 3 times are in the past already a long time ago. For 
now, the S3-Savage & nvideo cards ARE the best.

And you do now I'm in a position to compare the Matrox - S3 - and ATI. All of
them with the latest drivers. On three different systems. Well, it's clear and 
simple: The S3 are excellent, the ATI good, and the Matrox bad.



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Andy Roberts                                      03-Oct-99 05:20:04
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  03-Oct-99 16:20:25
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

 Rich Wonneberger,

02-Oct-99 21:27:00, Rich Wonneberger wrote to Andy Roberts
 RW> *** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-01-99 ***
          Subject: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

 AR>> House2.Zip                      06-18-99       1,305,948
 AR>> HOUSE/2 ver. 1.8 - Home Automation & Security for OS/2 Warp version 3.0

 RW> Isnt the cm11 (or 12) the device Radio Shack (ugg) sells under
 RW> their name??

Probably, Radio Shack does carry a few X-10 devices, but probably not more
than Sears, Home Depot, Lowe's or most other hardware or computer stores.  It
is common for Radio Shack to re-badge many items that they do not make and I
think that applies to X-10 devices as well.  For sure Radio Shack did not do
any of the design nor re-design of any X-10 devices.  AFAIK Leviton, a
company that makes many Decora switches and industrial quality electrical
devices, is the only other company that actually has re-designed and makes
their own brand of X-10 compatible devices that are equal to or better than
the devices X-10 makes.  And in almost every case the Leviton X-10 device
will cost more than the original.  As to whether the Leviton X-10 devices are
actually worth their higher price or are more reliable may be questionable,
but they are commonly used by electricians and available in electrical supply
stores such as Branch Electric.  I have mostly original X-10 devices (over
100 of them) and some are close to 20 years old, in service and still going.
I get most of my devices via Mail Order from either HCC or Baron-Harper.  You
can get an HCC catalog by calling 1-800-266-8765.  HCC carries quite a few
X-10 compatible devices such as the All-In-One Remote Control that are not
made by X-10.  Actually there are quite a few other companies that have
unique X-10 devices.  Radio Shack has nothing unique for X-10 AFAIK.  For
personal reasons I almost never buy anything from Radio Shack.  And I can
always find X-10 devices cheaper some where else.  HCC sometimes offers a
major price discount for orders of $300+.  So I tend to stock up on the most
common devices to avoid emergencies.

BTW, I don't have the CM11 yet.  I was using X-10 long before the PC was
developed.  My first X-10 computerized system was on an XT which is quite
adequate for up to a few dozen X-10 devices.  My present X-10 system uses a
386 and the DOS prgm HC2000 that requires the TW-523 (2-way interface).  I
programmed my own GUI that even talks (but doesn't listen) around HC2000.
And since that has the most powerful If-Then-Else capability, I have yet to
be enticed to try any of the newer computer interfaces or prgms.

I certainly have had an interest in the OS/2 X-10 prgms.  Especially those
that incorporate VoiceType.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Peyton Bay                                        03-Oct-99 13:38:00
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  03-Oct-99 19:30:15
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

RW> Isnt the cm11 (or 12) the device Radio Shack (ugg) sells under
RW> their name??

Rich,

The cm11a is the same device that Radio Shack sells. It seems that
Home Depot has dropped the x10 items but Lowes still sells them.
You might want to take a look at the following web sites that also
sell them ... and frequently discount them ...

 www.worthdist.com
 www.smarthome.com

There are others, of course, but these are a good place to start.

Peyton

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From: Peyton Bay                                        03-Oct-99 13:39:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      03-Oct-99 19:30:15
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

AR> House2.Zip                      06-18-99       1,305,948
AR>     HOUSE/2 ver. 1.8 - Home Automation & Security for OS/2 Warp version
3.0
AR>     and later.  Shareware.  Program and control the ActiveHome X-10
computer
AR>     interface.  Interactively control the X-10 modules from your desktop,
or
AR>     you can pre-program the controller and run timed events completely
AR>     stand-alone.  Supports the home automation interface model CM11A/CM12x
AR>     made by X-10.  Uses an attractive graphical user interface to control
AR>     X-10 modules.  Works over a network.  Module controls for mouse,
AR>     keyboard, touch screen and speech command activation.  Supports
dusk/dawn
AR>     calculations, two-way modules and thermostats.  Converts ActiveHome or
AR>     HomeDirector setups.  Home page: http://home.att.net/~ASchw
AR> ---
AR> 

Thanks Andy. I wasn't aware of House/2. I'll look for it.

Peyton

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 14:03:24
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Oct-99 19:30:15
Subj: Netscape?

Hello Bas,

29 Sep 99 22:24, Bas Heijermans wrote to Holger Granholm:

BH> Well it let's me down a lot, I'm still looking to solve that FTP
BH> problem. It looks like it's stopping downloading on some ftp server's
BH> and on others it's no problem, maybe there is some param you can enter
BH> somewhere to change the FTP part of NS, who knows???

There are several other programs to do FTP without needing Netscape. I use
wget and my plain batch .cmd files and REXX file to automate wget. Wget
supports the HTTP- and the FTP-protocols.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 14:07:29
  To: Holger Granholm                                   03-Oct-99 19:30:15
Subj: Netscape?

Hello Holger,

27 Sep 99 21:31, Holger Granholm wrote to Bas Heijermans:

HG> Yes I know. Even though I mostly use FTP it happens that a site
HG> doesn't support FTP and in that case I'm forced to use NS but it has
HG> never let me down.

I use wget to FTP and HTTP (automated), so I don't need Netscape if a site
doesn't support FTP.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  03-Oct-99 19:53:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      04-Oct-99 00:20:06
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-03-99 ***
>  RW> Isnt the cm11 (or 12) the device Radio Shack (ugg) sells under
>  RW> their name??
> 
> Probably, Radio Shack does carry a few X-10 devices, but probably not 
> more
> than Sears, Home Depot, Lowe's or most other hardware or computer 

Andy,

Home Depot in my area has some X-10 stuff, but not much.  

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-03-99 ***
> stores such as Branch Electric.  I have mostly original X-10 devices 
> (over
> 100 of them) and some are close to 20 years old, in service and still 
> going.

I only have a few light switch & appliance modules.  A condo doesnt need that
much  :}

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-03-99 ***
> For
> personal reasons I almost never buy anything from Radio Shack.  And I 

I agree with you 110% there.  I personally feel they buy seconds on many
things to get a discount.

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-03-99 ***
> BTW, I don't have the CM11 yet.  I was using X-10 long before the PC 
> was
> developed.  My first X-10 computerized system was on an XT which is 
> quite
> adequate for up to a few dozen X-10 devices.  My present X-10 system 

I had my first controller on a RS Color Computer. (At least they did that
right)  I always wanted to tinker around on a PC platform but never got around 
to it.  I have a catalog somewhere here listing relay control devives for the
PS with Basic commands.  I had the idea to learn Rexx by programing these to
control a small train setup.  No room for this at the moment.

At this point I thiink we should take this to the HomeAutomation echo before
the mod getz mad.  :}

Rich
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From: Bob Bainbridge                                    04-Oct-99 13:47:26
  To: David Calafrancesco                               04-Oct-99 13:47:26
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp


 DC> I have yet to hear of any of these that allow error 
 DC> free FAT32 access under OS2. 

I've been using the OS2FAT32 drivers for several years with no problems. It
evens runs CHKDSK on the FAT32 partition if the dirty bit was on. I've been
backing up my Win95 FAT32 laptop to my Warp 4.0 drive at home, using
BackMaster.

Bob Bainbridge <Team OS/2>
bob_bainbridge@prodigy.com bbainbridge@vnet.ibm.com

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From: Rob Basler                                        03-Oct-99 16:42:01
  To: Bryan Rubingh                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: 1868 & IDE port

BR>Thanks Rob. This is an old PC with no IDE on the motherboard.  There is
BR>a combo card in it with one IDE/serial/par.  Also there are no jumpers
BR>on the ESS1868 sound card as it is PnP. I have two hard disks installed
BR>already so I need this IDE for the CD-ROM.  From what I've read on the
BR>net I've found one person who has gotten this card to work under OS/2
BR>and that was under Warp 4 and then it was only an either/or situation
BR>where he could use the IDE or the sound, but not both.  This PC does not
BR>have a PnP bios, so the bios doesn't detect the card automatically.

Usually PNP cards come with a utility disk with a setup utility that you
can use to manually configure the card.

Rob.
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From: Mike Roark                                        02-Oct-99 20:52:05
  To: George Fliger                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello George!

Thursday September 30 1999 06:35, George Fliger wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> He is making statements about HIS system. Mine works fine with
 MR>> 2.22.078 and BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21 also.

 GF> Running 2.30.089 here with NO problems.

I had some problems with the early 2.30 drivers, and went back to 2.22.. I
might try the latest one, but this one is working so well that I hate to mess
with a good thing. And my system isn't old either. Not much more than 6 months 
old, and I'm in the mood to upgrade the cpu to an AMD k6-2/500 if I can
convince the wife to get it for my birthday.. ;-)


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 14h 56m 33s 93ms (en).

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From: George Fliger                                     03-Oct-99 09:01:11
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox Drivers (Was Iomega Zip)

On 29 Sep 99 02:26pm, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Bas Heijermans:

 ET> Hello Bas,

 ET> 27 Sep 99 13:52, Bas Heijermans wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

BH> I'm using 2.6 as well with the 2.20.060 drivers, works fine. I had
BH> some problems with the 2.23 drivers, my experiance is that newer
BH> drivers are not equal to better:-) Kris wants us to believe that
BH> Matrox is the worst card on this planet and he advises S3 and ATI:-)
BH> Will he be in for a supprise, ATI doesn't support OS/2 at all anymore
BH> and S3 has allways been a mess with drivers, Matrox rules OS/2!!!!!:-)

 ET> The Matrox works fine here too, and I don't see any reason to
 ET> use another video card. If I want to use less colors I just set
 ET> an other video mode instead of swapping videocards. ;-)

In case you're interested, Eddy, Matrox must made available drivers ver.
2.31.100.  I'm running them here and they work just fine. :)

George


... Computers are not intelligent.  They only think they are.
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From: James Mckenzie                                    03-Oct-99 18:59:25
  To: paul marwick                                      05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hello paul!

28 Sep 99 08:30, paul marwick wrote to Don Guy:

 pm> Hi Don

 pm> Replying to a message of Don Guy to All:

 DG>> Has anybody tried one of these beasties under OS/2?  I love the
 DG>> look and feel of them, but Logitech doesn't offer any drivers for
 DG>> OSs other than Windows and Mac...  I'm not particularly keen on
 DG>> shelling out for one of them if it's not going to work under the
 DG>> OS I spend 90% of my time in...

 pm> I've been using one for several years (and an older Trackman before
 pm> that). Works very  well indeed.

 pm> The standard mouse driver has no problem with it, but only gives you
 pm> two buttons. RODENT.SYS can be used to allow all three butons to
 pm> work..

Could you please post the appropriate lines.  I have mine connected to a PS/2 
port, FWIW.

James

... I don't do Windows
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From: Ruth Argust                                       04-Oct-99 00:02:09
  To: Charles Bowman                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Charles.

Charles Bowman wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 CB> Well, not sure what steps I left out, or what combinations
 CB> I missed the last time I tried it but with your suggestions
 CB> and encouragement I finally got Warp installed on my WD 27.3G
 CB> drive.  Using PartitionMagic I moved everything off the big
 CB> drive to a backup drive then used OS/2 fdisk to delete my Type F
 CB> extended partition.  Then created enough logical partitions to fill
 CB> the remainder of the drive with an entirely OS/2
 CB> created extended partition.  The final step was to copy the
 CB> partitions back and check it out.  Everything works great now, if
 CB> nothing else I can confirm that OS/2 will boot from at least a 27G
 CB> drive.

Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are over 8.4
gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least that was my
experience.

                                *ruth*

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From: Ruth Argust                                       03-Oct-99 23:53:05
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Perhaps a stupid question :)

Hello All!


Are there any drivers available for Win95 which will allow it to see OS/2 HPFS 
drives? 

                                *ruth*

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   03-Oct-99 19:54:20
  To: George Fliger                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

On Friday October 01 1999 at 06:33, George Fliger wrote to Bas Heijermans:

 GF> When you hit a site that acts like this, simply go into preferences,
 GF> advanced and turn off Javascript.  This will stop the action.  You
 GF> can then enter in a URL you want to go to and you will be able to get
 GF> out of the Javascript "loop".  Once out you simply reenable
 GF> Javascript.

You'd be better off not completing the last step: i.e. leave Javascript
disabled.  Javascript is used almost universally for advertising and other
annoying purposes--browsing with it disabled is far less irritating.

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  04-Oct-99 00:04:02
  To: George White                                      05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 wa

 -=> Quoting George White to Leonard Erickson <=-

 GW>> Maybe for you. BT guarantee very little (except that they will
 GW>> bill you at regular intervals!).

 LE> If ISDN works *at all* you get 64kbps on each B channel.

 GW> Sure, but BT "Home Highway" is "ISDN light" - I doubt if BT will
 GW> _guarantee_ 64kbps throughput down "Home Highway" lines (which are
 GW> just POTS lines with the exchange line interface modules changed from
 GW> analogue to digital ones) as there may well not be the backbone
 GW> bandwidth available into the exchanges to support more than a limited
 GW> number of users concurrently at full speed.

You still don't understand. B channels are a standard digital channel
used for *voice* as well as data. They run at 64kbps because that's the
*minimum* requirement to carry a digitized telephone voice channel. 

So a 64kbps ISDN data call uses the *same* "bandwidth" as a digital
*voice* call from a digital switch. So the only *possible* results are
64k or failure to connect because there aren't any available digital
lines (very unlikely). 

If you've got an exchange that can handle ISDN then once you hit the
switch *everything* is digital. And that means that a voice call over a
POTS line will be converted to digital and go via a B channel. 

All the trunks connecting your exchange to other exchanges will be
digital (most are these days anyway). 

Like I said, ISDN *can't* be "throttled down" the way the various DSL
technologies can. It uses a normal *digital* voice channel. It uses
*all* of it. No more, no less. And that means that the only "blocking"
would be if there were *no* digital trunks available. And from as
digital office, that means no voice calls can complete either.

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   03-Oct-99 11:31:00
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Tuesday September 28 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Bas
Heijermans:
;
Kris,

 KS> No. The big problem with Matrox are the Matrox drivers. These
 KS> drivers don't cope too well with sharing IRQ. That's the reason
 KS> why the Matrox behave well on older systems, and why they have
 KS> problems on newer one's.

FWIW, in this room I have 3 machines running. In none of them is the
motherboard over 1 year old (two of them are less that 4 months old). ALL
three of them run Matrox video, two of them with Matrox drivers, and have
never seen most of the problems you've expounded on ad nauseam.

I did have problems with Netscape, and (wonder of wonders), a new release of
Netscape, NOT a new driver release fixed them!

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   03-Oct-99 11:36:20
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Tuesday September 28 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Bas
Heijermans:
;
Kris,

 KS> No. The big problem with Matrox are the Matrox drivers. These
 KS> drivers don't cope too well with sharing IRQ. That's the reason
 KS> why the Matrox behave well on older systems, and why they have
 KS> problems on newer one's.

Try again!

The three Matrox equipped motherboards I mentioned earlier ALL share IRQs with 
other PCI/AGP devices.  In fact, on one of them there is no way to prevent it.

I bought the other two because of a need to get the SCSI controller on its'
own IRQ, but the Matrox cards (1x Millenium, 2x G-200) still share IRQs. And
all three of them perform superbly, two of them with Matrox drivers. None of
them use the BETA 2.30 release OR the official 2.30 release.

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   03-Oct-99 11:46:20
  To: John Thompson                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

;
In a msg of <Friday October 01 1999>, John Thompson writes to Charles Bowman:
;
John,

 JT> Linux' fdisk can change partition types for you.  Partition Magic
 JT> v4.01 has a "Partition Table Editor" that can also do this.


Will it also change the ones it screws up?

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   03-Oct-99 11:49:20
  To: George Fliger                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Friday October 01 1999>, George Fliger writes to Bas Heijermans:
;
George,

 BH>> so decided to leave that site but it wouldn't close on me and opened
 BH>> every time a new window to send me back, even when I changed
 BH>> the url. I had to kill NS to get rid of them!

 GF> Then I'm afraid you need to educate yourself on some of these
 GF> porn sites.  This is a very common practice to get you to stay
 GF> within their realm so they have a chance to possibly sell you
 GF> some of their services. When you hit a site that acts like this,
 GF> simply go into preferences, advanced and turn off Javascript.
 GF> This will stop the action.  You can then enter in a URL you want
 GF> to go to and you will be able to get out of the Javascript
 GF> "loop".  Once out you simply reenable Javascript.

The Castlewood Systems site used to do that, too, and it isn't a porn site!
:^) Apparently enough people complained that they change the code to fix it. 
It really was excessively annoying!

-[Steve]-

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Oct-99 16:03:01
  To: Bat Lang                                          05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bat,

01 Oct 99 15:14, Bat Lang wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> Opera browser, I haven't tried this one either.
ET>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BL> Isn't Opera strictly a WIN browser?
BL> I am unaware of any OS/2 version,

Here is a message from warpcast of 9 september (I've the header a little
shortened):
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 18:35:53
From: "WarpCast Submissions" <submit-news@os2ezine.com>
Subject: Netlabs is looking for a developer
Source: Adrian Gschwend (ktk@netlabs.org)
**********************************************************************

As you may know OS/2 Netlabs is working on the OS/2 port of the well
known Opera webbrowser (http://www.operasoftware.com). Currently we
have two people in the team but we need a third one.
We will do the port with support of Odin32, the new Win32-API
implementation for OS/2 (http://www.netlabs.org/odin/).

You should have know how in:

- OS/2 PM Programming
- OS/2 TCP/IP Stack
- Win32-API (not really necessary but it helps)
- you should be able to work over the internet (also together with the
Odin Team)

We get a percent ammount of money per sold OS/2 license, so you will
get money, but don't expect thousands of dollars :-)

If you think you are the right person for this job, please send an
email with a short description of your know how to me (Adrian Gschwend
<ktk@netlabs.org>).

Thanks for your support

Adrian Gschwend
@ OS/2 Netlabs
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I believe there is an Opera version which uses the Open32 lib, so that's a win 
port.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Oct-99 11:26:12
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Eddy,

BH> The videocard has nothing to do with it, I have several machines with
BH> diverend cards, NS crashes on all of them. NS is junk-soft, I'm still
BH> looking for something better.

 ET> I'm only using Netscape Communicator v4.04 (with the memory
 ET> leaks it comes with), Netscape Communicator v4.61 is
 ET> supposed to correct this, but I haven't tried it yet. You
 ET> could also try the Opera browser, I haven't tried this one
 ET> either.

Do you have an URL or something for me where to find that browser?

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Oct-99 11:27:26
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Iomega Zip

Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Eddy,

BH> I'm using 2.6 as well with the 2.20.060 drivers, works fine. I had
BH> some problems with the 2.23 drivers, my experiance is that newer
BH> drivers are not equal to better:-) Kris wants us to believe that
BH> Matrox is the worst card on this planet and he advises S3 and ATI:-)
BH> Will he be in for a supprise, ATI doesn't support OS/2 at all anymore
BH> and S3 has allways been a mess with drivers, Matrox rules OS/2!!!!!:-)

 ET> The Matrox works fine here too, and I don't see any reason
 ET> to use another video card. If I want to use less colors I
 ET> just set an other video mode instead of swapping videocards.
 ET> ;-)

I used to work with Ati, but after the Mach64, I went to the Matrox and I will 
never change anymore except when there will be a better product there, and so
far I have seen none.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Oct-99 11:29:12
  To: Mike Roark                                        05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Mike Roark made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Mike,

 BH> The videocard has nothing to do with it, I have several machines with
 BH> diverend cards, NS crashes on all of them. NS is junk-soft, I'm still
 BH> looking for something better.

 MR> I see someone else is hoping for a port of Opera.. ;-)

Yep.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Oct-99 11:31:07
  To: George Fliger                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

George Fliger made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi George,

 BH> I have several things like fixing the TCP/IP stack - no help,
 BH> fixing OS/2 - no help, tried on several machines - no help.
 BH> The problem is pure NS related because FTP and FTPPM do their

 GF> I can't explain why you're having these problems.  NS's
 GF> built-in FTP support works fine for me.  The latest fixpak,
 GF> Java updates and many other things have downloaded just fine
 GF> for me.

I have all those things as well, doesn't help.
The NS FTP carshes a lot, not on all sites but very often.
Like the site for the StarOffice download, it breaks there every time I try to 
download the Office.

 BH> work the wy they should.
 BH> BTW I just installed NS4.61 and it has the same problems, I'm
 BH> going away from NS and go find me some better browser.
 BH> That bloody thing does also things I don't want to happen, like
 BH> the other day, I needed to be on www.dominace.net (Nokia sat
 BH> box support site) and I typed by mistake www.dominance.com
 BH> witch is a porn-site, so decided to leave that site but it
 BH> wouldn't close on me and opened every time a new window to send
 BH> me back, even when I changed the url. I had to kill NS to get
 BH> rid of them!

 GF> Then I'm afraid you need to educate yourself on some of
 GF> these porn sites.  This is a very common practice to get you
 GF> to stay within their realm so they have a chance to possibly
 GF> sell you some of their services. When you hit a site that
 GF> acts like this, simply go into preferences, advanced and
 GF> turn off Javascript.  This will stop the action.  You can
 GF> then enter in a URL you want to go to and you will be able
 GF> to get out of the Javascript "loop".  Once out you simply
 GF> reenable Javascript. 

 GF> This behavior is *EXACTLY THE SAME* when hitting one of
 GF> these sites with a Windows version of Netscape or Internet
 GF> Explorer.  I know, I've had it happen to me at work
 GF> (somewhat embarrasing to say the least!). 

I knew about this, but I don't like this:-)

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Oct-99 11:34:15
  To: Scott Jones                                       05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

Scott Jones made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Scott,

 BH> away from NS and go find me some better browser. That bloody thing does
 BH> also things I don't want to happen, like the other day, I needed to be
 BH> on www.dominace.net (Nokia sat box support site) and I typed by mistake
 BH> www.dominance.com witch is a porn-site, so decided to leave that site
 BH> but it wouldn't close on me and opened every time a new window to send
 BH> me back, even when I changed the url. I had to kill NS to get rid of
 BH> them!

 SJ> That's not an NS problem, but rather a bit of "clever"
 SJ> JavaScript coding on the part of the so-called webmaster. 
 SJ> It would affect any JavaScript-enabled web browser the same
 SJ> way.

I know, but I want an option in any browser to stop Java from opening new
windows or ask me what I want.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    04-Oct-99 11:14:05
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Kris Steenhaut made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Kris,

 BH> I have several things like fixing the TCP/IP stack - no help, fixing
 BH> OS/2 - no help, tried on several machines - no help. The problem is
 BH> pure NS related because FTP and FTPPM do their work the wy they
 BH> should. BTW I just installed NS4.61 and it has the same problems, I'm
 BH> going away from NS and go find me some better browser. That bloody
 BH> thing does also things I don't want to happen, like the other day, I
 BH> needed to be on www.dominace.net (Nokia sat box support site) and I
 BH> typed by mistake www.dominance.com witch is a porn-site, so decided to
 BH> leave that site but it wouldn't close on me and opened every time a
 BH> new window to send me back, even when I changed the url. I had to kill
 BH> NS to get rid of them!

 KS> That's not an NS's problem, but an operater's one:

 KS> preferences --> smart browsing

 KS> There a preferences setting in that respect for messages &
 KS> newsgroups too, BTW. 

It has nothing to do with that, it's solved by disabling JavaScript.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    04-Oct-99 11:17:00
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Iomega Zip

Kris Steenhaut made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Kris,

 ET>>>> I'm running the Matrox v2.21 video driver at 1280x102 at
 ET>>>> 32-bits.

 KS>>> The 2.21 don't work anymore here, probably coz they don't cope
 KS>>> with the 2.6 bios and FP9.

 ET>> I'm using the Matrox BIOS v2.3

 MR>> He is making statements about HIS system. Mine works fine
 MR>> with 2.22.078 and BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21 also.

 BH> I had problems too with the 2.22 and 2.23 drivers,

 KS> ?? Didn't  I hear you saying one day someones "weird CD-rom"
 KS> was the culprit, lately? :-)

????

 BH>  those are a mess,
 BH> like locking up the WPS and other things. My observation learned me
 BH> that all drivers below 2.22 are working fine with BIOS 2.6.

 KS> Well it doesn't here, and on top of that, the latest
 KS> "official" GA 2.31 drivers are a mess too.

Havn't tested them.

 KS> That's not your fault, ofcoz. What I baffles me  how on
 KS> earth you are still saying the Matrox are still the very
 KS> best. On new  systems the Matrox have to be avoided at all
 KS> cost, due to the sucking drivers. That's a mere fact. 

You are making a fool of yourself.

 KS> And try to remember: Warp 3 times are in the past already a
 KS> long time ago. For now, the S3-Savage & nvideo cards ARE the
 KS> best.

For your information, Warp 3 and 4 have the same video model, so what's your
point????

 KS> And you do now I'm in a position to compare the Matrox - S3
 KS> - and ATI. All of them with the latest drivers. On three
 KS> different systems. Well, it's clear and simple: The S3 are
 KS> excellent, the ATI good, and the Matrox bad. 

You havn't tested the latest Ati cards have you?
You should stop messing arround with beta's, lousy Dani's drivers and other
rubbish, then your system would work stable like everywhere else.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                04-Oct-99 18:09:15
  To: Ruth Argust                                       05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

04 Oct 99 00:02, Ruth Argust wrote to Charles Bowman:

 RA> Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are over 
 RA> 8.4 gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least that was 
 RA> my experience.

FAT16 has a 2 GiB limit. FAT32, OTOH, has a somewhat higher limit (32
GiB's? Someone correct me if I'm wrong).

As for HPFS, I've heard 64+ GiB's somewhere.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

... Etiquette: Saying "No, thank you," when you want to yell, "Gimme."
-!- GOPGP/2 v1.23

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From: Charles Bowman                                    04-Oct-99 17:53:12
  To: Ruth Argust                                       05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Ruth Argust wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 RA> Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are
 RA> over 8.4 gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least
 RA> that was my experience. 

OS/2 might impose that limitation but I think that FAT is only limited
to 2G partitions.  Pretty sure they can exist on any part of the drive
that the operating system can access.

cbowman57@hotmail.com 
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From: Ruth Argust                                       04-Oct-99 21:42:05
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                05-Oct-99 07:38:20
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Stewart.

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 SH> 04 Oct 99 00:02, Ruth Argust wrote to Charles Bowman:

 RA> Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are over 
 RA> 8.4 gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least that was 
 RA> my experience.

 SH> FAT16 has a 2 GiB limit. FAT32, OTOH, has a somewhat higher limit
 SH> (32 GiB's? Someone correct me if I'm wrong).

 SH> As for HPFS, I've heard 64+ GiB's somewhere.

That is correct but actually my question required a bit more explanation since 
it was confusing.

                                *ruth*

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From: Ruth Argust                                       04-Oct-99 21:43:00
  To: Charles Bowman                                    05-Oct-99 07:38:20
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Charles.

Let me try this again :)

Charles Bowman wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RA> Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are
 RA> over 8.4 gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least
 RA> that was my experience. 

 CB> OS/2 might impose that limitation but I think that FAT is only
 CB> limited to 2G partitions.  Pretty sure they can exist on any part
 CB> of the drive that the operating system can access.

This is what happened to me (a bit simplified since actually there are three
HD's).

I have two hard drives, one is a 4 gig and the second is a 20 gig. OS/2 is on
the master HD and is within the first 1024 cylinders on C drive. I have
partitioned that master HD with the drive letters C and E, with 2 gigs each
and formatted with FAT.

The secondary HD, 20 gigs, is partitioned into 10 drives, D, F, G, H, I, J, L, 
M, N and O. 

I wished to format using FAT on the secondary HD. That is only possible on the 
first four drives of D, F, G and H only (up to 8.4 gigs) and the balance of
the drives, M, N and O must be formatted HPFS.

Now, is that correct?

Thank you for bearing with me :)

                              *ruth*

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From: Bryan Rubingh                                     05-Oct-99 10:22:00
  To: Rob Basler                                        05-Oct-99 10:22:00
Subj: 1868 & IDE port

-=> Quoting Rob Basler to Bryan Rubingh <=-

 RB> Usually PNP cards come with a utility disk with a setup utility that
 RB> you can use to manually configure the card.

Not this one.  At least not the normal PnP configure programs.  It comes
with a DOS setup program, but all it does is set the options on the
command line in the config.sys and autoexec.bat.  If you tell the DOS
setup program to enable the IDE port, it adds another line (one for
sound and one for IDE) as the first line in the config.sys.  When
booting, it loads this device driver which says it is a "IDE port
enabler".  I tried running from the command line, but being a device
driver it wouldn't run.  Is there any way in the OS/2 config.sys to
force a DOS device driver to load just once (at boot), rather than
having the DOS device driver load every time a DOS session is started?

  Bryan Rubingh


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From: Stewart Honsberger                                05-Oct-99 10:16:10
  To: Ruth Argust                                       05-Oct-99 15:24:02
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

04 Oct 99 21:42, Ruth Argust wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 RA>> Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are over 
 RA>> 8.4 gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least that was 
 RA>> my experience.

 SH>> FAT16 has a 2 GiB limit. FAT32, OTOH, has a somewhat higher limit
 SH>> (32 GiB's? Someone correct me if I'm wrong).

 SH>> As for HPFS, I've heard 64+ GiB's somewhere.

 RA> That is correct but actually my question required a bit more 
 RA> explanation since it was confusing.

From reading your message, it looks like I've already answered your
question. You can't format any partition larger than 2 GiB's as FAT.
Therefore, any partition larger than 8.4 GiB's would most definately
have to be formatted HPFS.

If you meant partitions (drive letters?) past the 8.4 GiB point on the
HDD, then yes, that is another FAT limitation. I'm not sure the exact
limitation, but I think FAT drives must exist within the first 1024
cylinders of a drive.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Don Guy                                           05-Oct-99 07:07:03
  To: paul marwick                                      05-Oct-99 15:24:02
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Greetings paul!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from paul
marwick to Don Guy was intercepted...

 pm> The standard mouse driver has no problem with it, but only gives you
 pm> two buttons. RODENT.SYS can be used to allow all three butons to
 pm> work..

I honestly don't know what I'd do with the third button...  The only time I've 
ever found it useful, is for game play...

 pm> I've just got a Trackman Marble + (which has a scroll button).
 pm> Haven't tried it yet with the scrollms driver, but I will be soon.

I downloaded the driver, and then read a note about it only working for mice
installed on PS/2 ports.  As my system doesn't have one, of to the bit bucket
it went!

 pm> They're exensive (here at least), but the quality makes them well
 pm> worth the price.

Yup...  After the gov't took their piece from me, it was about $105 (CDN).  I
like it so much though that I'm tempted to buy another for my system at the
office!

-Don



... The Windows 95 Energizer Bunny-it's still loading!
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From: Don Guy                                           05-Oct-99 07:09:29
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      05-Oct-99 15:24:02
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Greetings Garth!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Garth
Ramsay to ALL was intercepted...

 GR> I downloaded the file below and installed it and boom... system
 GR> crashes...

Do you have the mouse connected to a PS/2 port?  The readme in the scrollms
package states right up front that it only works with mice on PS/2 ports.


-Don



... Captain! The UARTs cannot take this speed any more!
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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    03-Oct-99 10:25:07
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    05-Oct-99 18:21:06
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bas,
vrijdag 01 oktober 1999 04.06, Bas Heijermans wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 BH> Kris Steenhaut made noise to Bas Heijermans:

 BH> Hi Kris,


 BH> I have used one of the early Dani drivers and that one has screwed my
 BH> desktop totaly, after that happend I never touched or will touch that
 BH> driver again.

You can't be blamed for having an open mind. Well, I'm going to play the "it's 
only you" trick myself: yoy are the only one now having problems with Dani's
drivers..

 BH> It still is, maybe if you stop messing arround so much in OS/2 your
 BH> problems would go away:-)

I'm no messing around: that ONE problem on my system has beel pinpointed to
the Matrox Drivers. And not by me, btw, but by someone having the same amount
of knowledge about these things as Sam Detweiler.
And I take the liberty to believe her instead of you, because what she says
match _exactly_ what is happening on my system.


 BH> Have you ever tried to work with the newer range of ATI, like the 128
 BH> series?

No, I'm talking about stuff you wery well know who has installed it.


 BH>  Well have fun! Ati is very un-cool in the OS/2 area. The S3
 BH> cards are only good where it's the S3Trio series about, they are
 BH> stable and well written, all the rest of them are unpredictable of the
 BH> stability.

I wasn't talking about the at128, but about Mach64, wich you do know very
well.
I do know, unlike the newer Matrox, the S3Savega4 works excellent, even with
S3 propriatary drivers.


 BH>> the butt, drivers and stability. I suspect that de Dani drivers
 BH>> are the major problem with the Matrox problems we see arrise now.

I don't use the Dani driver, as I don't need it, you are very well aware about 
that.


 BH> O please!
 BH> Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
 BH> Shared IRQ's has little to do with the drivers but all with the
 BH> hardware design of the cards used and/or the motherboard. In case you
 BH> don't know most motherboards can turn off or on the IRQ that can be
 BH> assigned to the videocard, it doesn't make much of a diverance either
 BH> way.

YOU don't knwo what you are talking about! The Aopen AX59PRO has no
possibility to reassign the video-IRQ. Look at my previous message, look at
the fucking manual (it's in Spanish, you sure are able to read): the video-irq 
is ALWAYS bouns to the same one as the mass-controler.



 BH>  I grant you that the Matrox 2.22 and the 2.23 drivers are not
 BH> good in some cases, but they certanly won't hog the CPU, they only
 BH> hang the WPS.

Wich is _exactly_ the case here. Not only with 2.22 - 2.23 but 2.22 @ 2.31 GA.



 BH>  The only thing software can do with IRQ's is clearing
 BH> them (CLI instruction) but to let that have much impact the CLI has
 BH> to
 BH> be looped, and I still have to see a programmer who is that stupid to
 BH> use that in their driver. And in case if they have done so it will
 BH> lock your entire system (if even possible with OS/2) that you would
 BH> have to use the reset button to get out of it, even
 BH> ATL-CTRL-NUMLOCK-NUMLOCK won't work anymore, and that's something I
 BH> have never seen in any driver.

_EXACTLY_ what happens here on my system and other fellows I had a mail with.

 BH> If we take a vote on that here in the area you will lose big time:-)

This matters aren't solved by voting, but by reading the readme's 1st and
scrutenizing the system.


 BH> Well here in all of my systems NS give lots of problems, with dropped
 BH> FTP's, crashing randomly, leaving threads open after closing, refusing
 BH> to start, showing pages only after reloads and so on. But only 1 out
 BH> of the 3 systems has a Matrox card, the others have WesternDigital
 BH> 90C31 and a S3Trio64, the results are the same. Even the OS/2 versions
 BH> are diverend, one is Warp 4 US-fp10, the other Warp 4 US-fp9 and the
 BH> last Warp Server Advanced 4 SMP-US-fp42. Also 3 diverend machines, one
 BH> is an AMD-K6-2-350 with 192MB ram, the other an AMD 5x86-133
 BH> (overclocked to 160Mhz) with 48MB ram and the Server has 2x Intel
 BH> PI-133 with 96MB. I have tried NS202, 404 and the latest 4.61, all
 BH> with the same problems. The only program that's giving me big problems
 BH> on all of them is NS, so why should I be convinced that it has
 BH> anything to do with Matrox??????

Do take a test: switch the Matrox drivers by the SDD, and you'll see the
difference. There is a new beta7 out since yesterday, btw, will install them
within a few houres.

 BH> and it has the same problems. The only good versions of NS that I have
 BH> seen so far are the ones for BeOS and Linux. This brings me to the
 BH> conclusion that NS is crap, allmost any version.

Even with Matrox drivers  loaded, the NS461 behaves well. Nearly all of the
problems are gone, except for the Alzheimer-bug: NS went down a few times
since I had it installed. But the FTP-http- and other files transports are
fine and well: last night I downloaded the 4 Mg SDD drivers withhout a hitch
at 4.3 kb, and days before I had the same experience with even larger files.




    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    03-Oct-99 11:01:04
  To: George Fliger                                     05-Oct-99 18:21:06
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello George,
vrijdag 01 oktober 1999 06.24, George Fliger wrote to Kris Steenhaut:


 GF> Please.  You're so far out in left field you need a space shuttle to
 GF> keep in touch.  My hardware (and the hardware for the 50+ systems at
 GF> the Clearwater airport I maintain) is the latest and have no problems
 GF> with Matrox cards or drivers.  I'm talking a mixture of clones plus
 GF> name brands like Compaq, IBM, Dell and NEC.

 GF> If you're going to "try" and rub a product into the dirt, at least
 GF> know what you're talking about before the attempt.


 GF> More stable now with Beta2 but that couldn't be claimed just a few
 GF> weeks ago.

The 4.04 was rather good, I didn't talk about Beta1 & beta2 coz they were
beta's, and I am talking about the 4.61 GA, wich I had installed from minute
one.


 GF>   You forget, I beta test Comm 4.61 also so I'm well aware
 GF> of the problems people have been having with it.  Video drivers have
 GF> NOT been any major issue, Matrox or not.  So, try again.

 GF> Then you haven't been following the beta information very close.

Are you? the egroup ns4os2 has been filled and is filled still with messages
of mine.

Very surprising you even didn't notice. Very surprising, to say the least.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    03-Oct-99 11:29:15
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Oct-99 18:21:06
Subj: Video Cards

Hello Eddy,
woensdag 29 september 1999 12.37, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 ET> Hello Stewart,

 ET> 27 Sep 99 08:40, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Scott Jones:

 SH>> BTW; Does GRADD have a homepage? (It's a product of IBM, right?)

 ET> You could also try the Scitech drivers (www.scitechsoft.com)

Actually, the Scitech drivers will be the Gradd driver in the near future.



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Ruth Argust                                       05-Oct-99 15:49:00
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                05-Oct-99 22:30:07
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Stewart.

I was very tired when I wrote the first message. It showed :)

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 SH> From reading your message, it looks like I've already answered your
 SH> question. You can't format any partition larger than 2 GiB's as
 SH> FAT.

Right.

 SH> Therefore, any partition larger than 8.4 GiB's would most
 SH> definately have to be formatted HPFS.

Also correct.

 SH> If you meant partitions (drive letters?)

Yes...

 SH> past the 8.4 GiB point on the HDD, then yes, that is another FAT 
 SH> limitation. I'm not sure the exact limitation, but I think FAT 
 SH> drives must exist within the first 1024 cylinders of a drive.

I found that they had to be within the first 8.4 gigs of the drive. It's only
the OS that has to be within the first 1024 cyclinders.


                               *ruth*

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From: Ruth Argust                                       05-Oct-99 16:05:23
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 22:30:07
Subj: Video Card

Hello All!

This is in regard to a PCI video card.

There have been several ongoing discussions about video cards here. I was
using an S3 Trio32 with 4 meg of ram and had tried three versions of the
drivers. I did not like any of them. I had peculiar problems that I had been
blaming on Warp 4. Some included running Netscape under WinOS2 and having it
accessing the hard drive for up to two minutes at a time seemingly doing
nothing, trying to flip back to the desktop and having no memory (very slow
fill in), having to shut down WinOS2 and restart it again since it was really
"stuck," writing an echomail message in one window and have the window freeze
up totally so that I had to kill the process and lose the message and even
more problems at times.

I replaced the video card with a NumberNine Imagine 128 (4 megs of ram) about
a week ago and installed the drivers on the NumberNine web site. Everything is 
working beautifully with no problems! Price of the card was an incredible
$18.95 (shipping was $10). I tried to call and order three more cards but they 
were out and I can't find them on the Net right now but will keep looking.

There is only ONE precaution in regard to installation of the drivers which
applies if you are running OS/2 on a drive other than C drive. There are three 
files you need to edit for the drivers to work properly and then they just go
like a dream! Two of these files are NOT documented in the read.me file. If
anyone has had this problem, I will be happy to let you know how I made them
work and work very well.

                                *ruth*

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From: George Fliger                                     05-Oct-99 05:47:11
  To: Mike Roark                                        06-Oct-99 08:00:19
Subj: Re: Iomega Zip

On 2 Oct 99 08:52pm, Mike Roark wrote to George Fliger:

 MR> Hello George!

 MR> Thursday September 30 1999 06:35, George Fliger wrote to Mike
 MR> Roark:

 MR>> He is making statements about HIS system. Mine works fine with
 MR>> 2.22.078 and BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21 also.

 GF> Running 2.30.089 here with NO problems.

 MR> I had some problems with the early 2.30 drivers, and went back
 MR> to 2.22.. I might try the latest one, but this one is working
 MR> so well that I hate to mess with a good thing. And my system
 MR> isn't old either. Not much more than 6 months old, and I'm in
 MR> the mood to upgrade the cpu to an AMD k6-2/500 if I can
 MR> convince the wife to get it for my birthday.. ;-)

I usually keep copies of the older bios codes so I can backtrack if
necessary.  So far, I haven't had to do any backtracking.

I'm currently at 2.31.100.

George


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From: George Fliger                                     05-Oct-99 05:49:10
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   06-Oct-99 08:00:19
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

On 3 Oct 99 11:49am, Steve McCrystal wrote to George Fliger:

 SM> ;
 SM> In a msg of <Friday October 01 1999>, George Fliger writes to
 SM> Bas Heijermans: ;
 SM> George,

 BH>> so decided to leave that site but it wouldn't close on me and opened
 BH>> every time a new window to send me back, even when I changed
 BH>> the url. I had to kill NS to get rid of them!

 GF> Then I'm afraid you need to educate yourself on some of these
 GF> porn sites.  This is a very common practice to get you to stay
 GF> within their realm so they have a chance to possibly sell you
 GF> some of their services. When you hit a site that acts like this,
 GF> simply go into preferences, advanced and turn off Javascript.
 GF> This will stop the action.  You can then enter in a URL you want
 GF> to go to and you will be able to get out of the Javascript
 GF> "loop".  Once out you simply reenable Javascript.

 SM> The Castlewood Systems site used to do that, too, and it isn't
 SM> a porn site! :^) Apparently enough people complained that they
 SM> change the code to fix it. It really was excessively annoying!

I'm running into more and more sites that require Javascript enabled in
order to just browse their site.  Very annoying indeed!

George


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From: David Calafrancesco                               05-Oct-99 23:14:16
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    06-Oct-99 08:00:19
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Bas Heijermans wrote in a message to Eddy Thilleman:

 BH> Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:

BH> The videocard has nothing to do with it, I have several machines with
BH> diverend cards, NS crashes on all of them. NS is junk-soft, I'm still
BH> looking for something better.

 ET> I'm only using Netscape Communicator v4.04 (with the memory
 ET> leaks it comes with), Netscape Communicator v4.61 is
 ET> supposed to correct this, but I haven't tried it yet. You
 ET> could also try the Opera browser, I haven't tried this one
 ET> either.

 BH> Do you have an URL or something for me where to find that
 BH> browser? 

 BH> Warp3SMP,

open netscape, hit help, choose upgrade software.

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               05-Oct-99 23:20:21
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    06-Oct-99 08:00:19
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Kris Steenhaut wrote in a message to Bas Heijermans:

 BH> Kris Steenhaut made noise to Bas Heijermans:

 BH> I have used one of the early Dani drivers and that one has screwed my
 BH> desktop totaly, after that happend I never touched or will touch that
 BH> driver again.

 KS> You can't be blamed for having an open mind. Well, I'm going
 KS> to play the "it's only you" trick myself: yoy are the only
 KS> one now having problems with Dani's drivers..

Bull. I applied the latest DANIS506 driver and it blew the entire drive out on 
me. I couldn't even boot with floppies and access the drive, it would trap on
any set of disks. When I finally got rid of the partition tables I could
finally access the drive again. A terrible price to pay. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  06-Oct-99 12:17:16
  To: Rob Basler                                        06-Oct-99 13:22:22
Subj: 1868 & IDE port

Hello Rob!

03 Oct 99 16:42, Rob Basler wrote to Bryan Rubingh:
 RB> Usually PNP cards come with a utility disk with a setup utility that
 RB> you can use to manually configure the card.
    So, little reminder. Latest ESS DOS configurator couldn't work at PnP
MoBo's.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  06-Oct-99 15:59:19
  To: Bryan Rubingh                                     06-Oct-99 16:42:07
Subj: 1868 & IDE port

Hello Bryan!

05 Oct 99 10:22, Bryan Rubingh wrote to Rob Basler:
 RB>> Usually PNP cards come with a utility disk with a setup utility
 RB>> that you can use to manually configure the card.
 BR> Not this one.  At least not the normal PnP configure programs.  It
 BR> comes with a DOS setup program, but all it does is set the options on
 BR> the
 BR> command line in the config.sys and autoexec.bat.  If you tell the DOS
 BR> setup program to enable the IDE port, it adds another line (one for
 BR> sound and one for IDE) as the first line in the config.sys.  When
 BR> booting, it loads this device driver which says it is a "IDE port
 BR> enabler".  I tried running from the command line, but being a device
 BR> driver it wouldn't run.  Is there any way in the OS/2 config.sys to
 BR> force a DOS device driver to load just once (at boot), rather than
 BR> having the DOS device driver load every time a DOS session is started?
    Sorry, first letter of this thread is lost in cyberspace.
    Did anybody try next: ibm1s506.add have parameters /a /p /irq. I think it
must work. So, IDE port and resources for it _must_ be enabled by DOS
configuration programm and isolated from PnP managers by hardware setup or
(and?) reserve.sys.
    Try something like ibm1s506.add /a:2 /p:160(or what you set up) /irq:13

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: John Angelico                                     06-Oct-99 23:46:01
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:18:08
Subj: PC-Card Identification

Hello, All!

I am " " that close to getting my ThinkPad 760EL running sweetly but my
last wrinkle is the PCCard combined LAN/Modem adapter.

Because I live in Australia (in the world's most livable city: Melbourne,
Victoria), I get the Australian brand name: NetComm "CardModem56 Combo"
which runs fine under Win95 (arrgh! wash your mouth out with soap, John!!).

However, I want native OS/2 drivers (I'm not demanding am I? - discerning
maybe, but not demanding!) and I figure that NetComm didn't build their own
cards from the silicon up. Their box shows Rockwell chipset and K56Flex
brands, model number "CM3475" and product code 808500012. 

They have been taken over since I bought the card from a local distributor
and I am still trying to get through to Tech Support (interstate).  

Does anyone know what would be an equivalent brand name on the Device
Driver Online web site for this card?
  
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Oct-99 14:44:24
  To: George Fliger                                     06-Oct-99 22:56:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

George Fliger wrote in a message to Steve Mccrystal:

 BH>> so decided to leave that site but it wouldn't close on me and opened
 BH>> every time a new window to send me back, even when I changed
 BH>> the url. I had to kill NS to get rid of them!

 GF> Then I'm afraid you need to educate yourself on some of these
 GF> porn sites.  This is a very common practice to get you to stay
 GF> within their realm so they have a chance to possibly sell you
 GF> some of their services. When you hit a site that acts like this,
 GF> simply go into preferences, advanced and turn off Javascript.
 GF> This will stop the action.  You can then enter in a URL you want
 GF> to go to and you will be able to get out of the Javascript
 GF> "loop".  Once out you simply reenable Javascript.

 SM> The Castlewood Systems site used to do that, too, and it isn't
 SM> a porn site! :^) Apparently enough people complained that they
 SM> change the code to fix it. It really was excessively annoying!

 GF> I'm running into more and more sites that require Javascript 
 GF> enabled in order to just browse their site.  Very annoying 
 GF> indeed!

Maybe someday the folks that put these sites together will get a clue to the
effect that this is a _user-driven_ medium,  and not a _provider-drive_ one...

I get real irritated at sites that tell me I *must* be running some software
to be able to view them,  or later than some specific version of some
software,  or need to have things configured a certain way,  or whatever.  And 
I'll generally just go someplace else.

It's their loss,  eh?

Now if we could just get more people tuned in to that...    :-)

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    05-Oct-99 14:18:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    06-Oct-99 22:56:17
Subj: Netscape?

Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Eddy,

BH> Well it let's me down a lot, I'm still looking to solve that FTP
BH> problem. It looks like it's stopping downloading on some ftp server's
BH> and on others it's no problem, maybe there is some param you can enter
BH> somewhere to change the FTP part of NS, who knows???

 ET> There are several other programs to do FTP without needing
 ET> Netscape. I use wget and my plain batch .cmd files and REXX
 ET> file to automate wget. Wget supports the HTTP- and the
 ET> FTP-protocols.

Can I automate the use of that FTP as an program within NS?
I need NS for driver/bios etc downloads, that mostly lot's of searching and
than downloading and NS doesn't do the job well.
But I have no good alternative for this at this time, because the IBM Explorer 
is too old for most sites.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    05-Oct-99 14:25:01
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    06-Oct-99 22:56:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Kris Steenhaut made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Kris,

 BH> I have used one of the early Dani drivers and that one has screwed my
 BH> desktop totaly, after that happend I never touched or will touch that
 BH> driver again.

 KS> You can't be blamed for having an open mind. Well, I'm going
 KS> to play the "it's only you" trick myself: yoy are the only
 KS> one now having problems with Dani's drivers..

I don't think so, I have seen lot's more messages of people who had the same
problem with that driver.
And BTW the speed of the normal driver is about the same as here driver.

 BH> It still is, maybe if you stop messing arround so much in OS/2 your
 BH> problems would go away:-)

 KS> I'm no messing around: that ONE problem on my system has
 KS> beel pinpointed to the Matrox Drivers. And not by me, btw,
 KS> but by someone having the same amount of knowledge about
 KS> these things as Sam Detweiler.
 KS> And I take the liberty to believe her instead of you,
 KS> because what she says match _exactly_ what is happening on
 KS> my system.

Believe what you want.

 BH> Have you ever tried to work with the newer range of ATI, like the 128
 BH> series?

 KS> No, I'm talking about stuff you wery well know who has
 KS> installed it. 

But those are old dated and not supported anymore.

 BH>  Well have fun! Ati is very un-cool in the OS/2 area. The S3
 BH> cards are only good where it's the S3Trio series about, they are
 BH> stable and well written, all the rest of them are unpredictable of the
 BH> stability.

 KS> I wasn't talking about the at128, but about Mach64, wich you
 KS> do know very well. I do know, unlike the newer Matrox, the
 KS> S3Savega4 works excellent, even with S3 propriatary drivers.

I don't use those anymore, the display speed is too low and the Mach64 can't
be compared to the Matrox G200 and up cards.

 BH> O please!
 BH> Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
 BH> Shared IRQ's has little to do with the drivers but all with the
 BH> hardware design of the cards used and/or the motherboard. In case you
 BH> don't know most motherboards can turn off or on the IRQ that can be
 BH> assigned to the videocard, it doesn't make much of a diverance either
 BH> way.

 KS> YOU don't knwo what you are talking about! The Aopen AX59PRO
 KS> has no possibility to reassign the video-IRQ. Look at my
 KS> previous message, look at the fucking manual (it's in
 KS> Spanish, you sure are able to read): the video-irq is ALWAYS
 KS> bouns to the same one as the mass-controler.

Well if you look in your BIOS (I have 2.24) in the section PNP/PCI
Configuration you can set any IRQ to any PCI slot, so you are able to take
them apart.

 BH>  I grant you that the Matrox 2.22 and the 2.23 drivers are not
 BH> good in some cases, but they certanly won't hog the CPU, they only
 BH> hang the WPS.

 KS> Wich is _exactly_ the case here. Not only with 2.22 - 2.23
 KS> but 2.22 @ 2.31 GA. 

Have you tried to install the one's on the CDrom?
They should work fine.

 BH>  The only thing software can do with IRQ's is clearing
 BH> them (CLI instruction) but to let that have much impact the CLI has
 BH> to
 BH> be looped, and I still have to see a programmer who is that stupid to
 BH> use that in their driver. And in case if they have done so it will
 BH> lock your entire system (if even possible with OS/2) that you would
 BH> have to use the reset button to get out of it, even
 BH> ATL-CTRL-NUMLOCK-NUMLOCK won't work anymore, and that's something I
 BH> have never seen in any driver.

 KS> _EXACTLY_ what happens here on my system and other fellows I
 KS> had a mail with. 

I think you have a BIOS settings problem, because a driver can't lockup the
ALT-CTRL-NUM-NUM feature, when you have that you have managed to halt the CPU
with the OS/2 Kernal.
To get into this state you have a few options, the CPU stopped because of
overheating, the ram/cache isn't working at the correct speed and so on.
I have seen the transfer problem with SCSI and locking the system with an
AX59Pro, but that problem was caused by a BIOS setting.
You problems are beginnging to sound the same as that person had, you should
try to find a way that you can recreate the problem every time, when you are
there you should start changing the BIOS in the Chipset section.
I'm convinced you will be able to solve your problem there.
It's not the IRQ's, you don't have to worry about them, they are not the
problem.

 BH> Well here in all of my systems NS give lots of problems, with dropped
 BH> FTP's, crashing randomly, leaving threads open after closing, refusing
 BH> to start, showing pages only after reloads and so on. But only 1 out
 BH> of the 3 systems has a Matrox card, the others have WesternDigital
 BH> 90C31 and a S3Trio64, the results are the same. Even the OS/2 versions
 BH> are diverend, one is Warp 4 US-fp10, the other Warp 4 US-fp9 and the
 BH> last Warp Server Advanced 4 SMP-US-fp42. Also 3 diverend machines, one
 BH> is an AMD-K6-2-350 with 192MB ram, the other an AMD 5x86-133
 BH> (overclocked to 160Mhz) with 48MB ram and the Server has 2x Intel
 BH> PI-133 with 96MB. I have tried NS202, 404 and the latest 4.61, all
 BH> with the same problems. The only program that's giving me big problems
 BH> on all of them is NS, so why should I be convinced that it has
 BH> anything to do with Matrox??????

 KS> Do take a test: switch the Matrox drivers by the SDD, and
 KS> you'll see the difference. There is a new beta7 out since
 KS> yesterday, btw, will install them within a few houres.

I won't try them, the 2.20.060 drivers are working fine here.
Your problem are not the drivers, install first the normal VGA drivers with
SETVGA, then look into your config.sys for any drivers that left in there and
shouldn't be in there, reboot and install the Matrox drivers from the CDrom
that came with the Matrox.
If you still have locking or transfer problems, start changing the BIOS, you
will find that there will be the answer to your problems.

 BH> and it has the same problems. The only good versions of NS that I have
 BH> seen so far are the ones for BeOS and Linux. This brings me to the
 BH> conclusion that NS is crap, allmost any version.

 KS> Even with Matrox drivers  loaded, the NS461 behaves well.
 KS> Nearly all of the problems are gone, except for the
 KS> Alzheimer-bug: NS went down a few times since I had it
 KS> installed. But the FTP-http- and other files transports are
 KS> fine and well: last night I downloaded the 4 Mg SDD drivers
 KS> withhout a hitch at 4.3 kb, and days before I had the same
 KS> experience with even larger files. 

Then NS must have speed problems, because I have ISDN and the rates are upto 9 
kb.
I'm still looking to solve to solve it:-)

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    05-Oct-99 15:02:22
  To: Mike Roark                                        06-Oct-99 22:56:17
Subj: Iomega Zip

Mike Roark made noise to George Fliger:

Hi Mike,

 MR>> He is making statements about HIS system. Mine works fine with
 MR>> 2.22.078 and BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21 also.

 GF> Running 2.30.089 here with NO problems.

 MR> I had some problems with the early 2.30 drivers, and went
 MR> back to 2.22.. I might try the latest one, but this one is
 MR> working so well that I hate to mess with a good thing. And
 MR> my system isn't old either. Not much more than 6 months old,
 MR> and I'm in the mood to upgrade the cpu to an AMD k6-2/500 if
 MR> I can convince the wife to get it for my birthday.. ;-)

You better go to an AMD-K6-3:-)

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Will Honea                                        06-Oct-99 21:34:01
  To: David Calafrancesco                               06-Oct-99 21:34:01
Subj: Matrox drivers?

David Calafrancesco wrote to Kris Steenhaut on 10-05-1999

DC> Bull. I applied the latest DANIS506 driver and it blew the 
DC> entire drive out on me. I couldn't even boot with floppies 
DC> and access the drive, it would trap on any set of disks. 
DC> When I finally got rid of the partition tables I could 
DC> finally access the drive again. A terrible price to pay. 

Just to be contrary for once in my life <g>, I have to say that I've
been using Dani's drivers for quite a while - with an 8.4g and a 6.4g
drive + CDROM - with no problem on this machine (VIA chipset).  It's
also performing well with machines using Intel and SIS chipsets for me.
 Much better performance on the VIA and SIS boards, about equal to
IBM1S506.ADD on the Intel 440bx set.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: David Calafrancesco                               06-Oct-99 23:41:19
  To: Ruth Argust                                       07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: Video Card

Ruth Argust wrote in a message to All:

 RA> There is only ONE precaution in regard to installation of
 RA> the drivers which applies if you are running OS/2 on a drive
 RA> other than C drive. There are three files you need to edit
 RA> for the drivers to work properly and then they just go like
 RA> a dream! Two of these files are NOT documented in the
 RA> read.me file. If anyone has had this problem, I will be
 RA> happy to let you know how I made them work and work very
 RA> well.

I assume you are referring to the WinOS2 setup, which required manual
intervention every time. I eventually pulled it out and have it on the shelf.
I now use an 8mb Nvidia TNT2 AGP card in this machine and am waiting for the
TNT2 Ultra drivers to move one of the 32mb cards into this system. Let me know 
if you find more of the I128's at that price, they were a very nice card and I 
now have the OS2 on the C: drive and never worry about whether WinOS2 works
anymore. I have standalone NT and Win95/98 machines for that garbage
available. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: George Fliger                                     06-Oct-99 06:00:28
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

On 3 Oct 99 11:01am, Kris Steenhaut wrote to George Fliger:

 KS> Are you? the egroup ns4os2 has been filled and is filled still
 KS> with messages of mine.

 KS> Very surprising you even didn't notice. Very surprising, to say
 KS> the least.

Oh, I have.  I've also noticed that your tone and attitude are MUCH
different there.

George


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From: Charles Bowman                                    05-Oct-99 16:38:14
  To: Ruth Argust                                       07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Ruth Argust wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 RA> I wished to format using FAT on the secondary HD. That is only
 RA> possible on the first four drives of D, F, G and H only (up to 8.4
 RA> gigs) and the balance of the drives, M, N and O must be formatted
 RA> HPFS.

 RA> Now, is that correct?

I think it is an OS/2 limitation, or possibly bios.  I just tried it
with PartitionMagic under Win98 and it allowed it.  Though it did shrink
the partition to 2G.  Don't know if that helps you but that's what I
verified here.

 RA> Thank you for bearing with me :)

We're all just trying to sail through this thing called life. <g>


cbowman57@hotmail.com 
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From: Charles Bowman                                    01-Oct-99 08:22:27
  To: Rob Basler                                        07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Rob Basler wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 RB> As I said, the boot partition has to be entirely contained within
 RB> the first 4G (1024 cylinders) of the hard disk, same for OS/2 and
 RB> NT.  OS/2 will happily read the entire drive. 

Even when located w/in the first 4G of the hard drive Warp appears to
be incapable of booting from the 27G drive.

Like I said, I've used this same setup in the past, the only difference 
is the size of the drive.  Even with Fat32 partitions on the drive it used
to see them as separate logical Type F partitions.  This is no longer the
case, now it just sees the extended partition as one large Type F partition.
It is this inability to see individual partitions beyond a certain limit
that seems to be causing the problem. 

From what I understand OS/2 should be able to interpret an extended partition
no matter what OS created it. 


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From: Ruth Argust                                       07-Oct-99 00:24:21
  To: David Calafrancesco                               08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Video Card

Hi David.

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

RE: Number Nine Imagine - 128 PCI

 RA> There is only ONE precaution in regard to installation of
 RA> the drivers which applies if you are running OS/2 on a drive
 RA> other than C drive.

 DC> I assume you are referring to the WinOS2 setup, which required
 DC> manual intervention every time. I eventually pulled it out and have
 DC> it on the shelf.

Yes, David, that's where the problem was. My OS/2 is on my E drive. When
installed on other than C drive, the read.me file noted that the SYSTEM.INI
had to be edited from:

[Imagine - 128]
CFG=E:NUMBER9

to

[Imagine - 128]
CFG=E:\NUMBER9

I did that and the resolution did not change under WinOS2 at all. At the same
time, I noticed that the NUMBER9 file in the root directory was not being
revised since it had the same file date as when I installed it. After playing
with it for a while, I found that by hex editing both the NUM9I128.DLL and the 
NUM9PMI.DLL (e:\os2\dll directory) by changing the c:\number9 to e:\number9
once in each file, the root file changed correspondingly as it should and all
was resolved.

 DC> I now use an 8mb Nvidia TNT2 AGP card in this machine and am 
 DC> waiting for the TNT2 Ultra drivers to move one of the 32mb cards 
 DC> into this system.

Sounds very nice but only a PCI slot here for now.

 DC>  Let me know if you find more of the I128's at that price, they 
 DC> were a very nice card and I now have the OS2 on the C: drive and 
 DC> never worry about whether WinOS2 works anymore. I have standalone 
 DC> NT and Win95/98 machines for that garbage available.  

Believe me I have hunted like crazy for more but to no avail. The place I
ordered from did take my name and number and said they will call me =if= they
get any more which is doubtful at this time. If you or anyone wants one,
however, I will be glad to order an extra (or more) if I ever find one. I am
really very pleased with the card and drivers. 

                               *ruth*

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From: Ruth Argust                                       07-Oct-99 00:51:05
  To: Charles Bowman                                    08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Charles.

Charles Bowman wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 CB> Ruth Argust wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 RA> I wished to format using FAT on the secondary HD. That is only
 RA> possible on the first four drives of D, F, G and H only (up to 8.4
 RA> gigs) and the balance of the drives, M, N and O must be formatted
 RA> HPFS.

 RA> Now, is that correct?

 CB> I think it is an OS/2 limitation, or possibly bios.  I just tried
 CB> it with PartitionMagic under Win98 and it allowed it.  Though it
 CB> did shrink the partition to 2G.  Don't know if that helps you but
 CB> that's what I verified here.

Thanks, Charles. I believe it's a FAT limitation (or possibly more properly
worded) a DOS limitation but since I don't want to format under Win95, I guess 
I'll stick with HPFS for now.

 RA> Thank you for bearing with me :)

 CB> We're all just trying to sail through this thing called life. <g> 

And sometimes the wind dies down ;)

                               *ruth*

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  07-Oct-99 00:31:02
  To: Ruth Argust                                       08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

 -=> Quoting Ruth Argust to Charles Bowman <=-

 RA> Isn't it true that these drive letters (at least those which are
 RA> over 8.4 gigs) have to be formatted HPFS instead of FAT? At least
 RA> that was my experience. 
 
 CB> OS/2 might impose that limitation but I think that FAT is only
 CB> limited to 2G partitions.  Pretty sure they can exist on any part
 CB> of the drive that the operating system can access.

 RA> This is what happened to me (a bit simplified since actually there are
 RA> three HD's). 
 RA> I have two hard drives, one is a 4 gig and the second is a 20 gig.
 RA> OS/2 is on the master HD and is within the first 1024 cylinders on C
 RA> drive. I have partitioned that master HD with the drive letters C and
 RA> E, with 2 gigs each and formatted with FAT. 
 RA> The secondary HD, 20 gigs, is partitioned into 10 drives, D, F, G, H,
 RA> I, J, L, M, N and O.  
 RA> I wished to format using FAT on the secondary HD. That is only
 RA> possible on the first four drives of D, F, G and H only (up to 8.4
 RA> gigs) and the balance of the drives, M, N and O must be formatted
 RA> HPFS. 
 RA> Now, is that correct?

Nope. On the secondary HD, set up the whole drive as an "extended"
partition. You should then be able to create 10 logical drives in that
partition, each 2 gig. 

The trick is that you *can't* have more than 4 partitions of *any*
kind. But some types of partition can contain more than one "drive". 


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From: Gord Hannah                                       07-Oct-99 07:24:29
  To: John Angelico                                     08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: PC-Card Identification

Replying to a message from John Angelico 3:633/309 to All,

About PC-Card Identification, On Wed Oct 06 1999

JA> However, I want native OS/2 drivers (I'm not demanding am I? -
JA> discerning maybe, but not demanding!) and I figure that NetComm
JA> didn't build their own cards from the silicon up. Their box shows
JA> Rockwell chipset and K56Flex brands, model number "CM3475" and
JA> product code 808500012. 

Take a look at the card again John and see if there is a FCC ID number on it
if so then go to www.fcc.org and do a product search, it might just help, all
cards I have here have such a number on them I don't know about cards on your
side of the big pond.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  07-Oct-99 07:43:00
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Logitech Trackman Marble+

I'm one of the folks who tried using SCROLLMS with a Matrox video card.
I've replaced MOUSE.SYS, but the system still can't bring up the
desktop. 

What else do I need to do?


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  07-Oct-99 20:32:00
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: CPU change

Quick question
I have 2 systems I would like to get a bit more speed in.  Both are Pentiums,
one a 133 mhz, the other a 166 mhz.  The boards will only go up to a 200 mhz
processor.  I was thinking about a AMD K6 and under clocking it, but am not
sure which would work right and is still available.

Also, would this effect OS/2??
The m-board is the same, video, scsi & such are not changing.

Any suggestions??

TIA
Rich
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From: David Calafrancesco                               08-Oct-99 01:03:21
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: CPU change

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to All:

 RW> Quick question
 RW> I have 2 systems I would like to get a bit more speed in. 
 RW> Both are Pentiums, one a 133 mhz, the other a 166 mhz.  The
 RW> boards will only go up to a 200 mhz processor.  I was
 RW> thinking about a AMD K6 and under clocking it, but am not
 RW> sure which would work right and is still available.

 RW> Also, would this effect OS/2??
 RW> The m-board is the same, video, scsi & such are not
 RW> changing. 

 RW> Any suggestions??

Motherboards cost about the same as an AMD K6-II-400. Both together cost less
than any of the CPU upgrade options that I have seen. The pair should run you
circa $130 and if you are careful will still use your existing memory until
you can get new memory modules (wait until the RAM prices drop again). 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: John Thompson                                     07-Oct-99 09:16:00
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

In a message to John Thompson, Steve McCrystal wrote re: Big Hard Drives &
Warp

JT> Linux' fdisk can change partition types for you.  Partition Magic
JT> v4.01 has a "Partition Table Editor" that can also do this.
 
SM> Will it also change the ones it screws up?

I've been using Partition Magic for years (since v2.0) with DOS, 
Win95, Win98, OS/2 and linux and it's never screwed up for me.
Doesn't mean it can't happen; just that I have no direct
experience dealing with partitions that PM has screwed up.  But
since the Partition Table Editor is a separate, stand-alone
program I suspect it would have as good a chance at fixing
damaged partition tables as any other partition table utility out
there.


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From: Ruth Argust                                       08-Oct-99 00:06:00
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hi Leonard.

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 LE> Nope. On the secondary HD, set up the whole drive as an "extended"
 LE> partition. You should then be able to create 10 logical drives in
 LE> that partition, each 2 gig. 

That's the answer! Thank you. I had it set up as a primary partition which
assumedly is causing the problem.

 LE> The trick is that you *can't* have more than 4 partitions of *any*
 LE> kind. But some types of partition can contain more than one
 LE> "drive".  

Got it. I wish I had asked first :) Now I have to figure out what to do with
all the stuff on the big HD so I can redo it -:( Then again, we do need
another HD so it's just as easy to buy one, fdisk it correctly and do an Xcopy 
over and use the current one for another system which is begging for a bigger
HD.

Thanks again!

                                 *ruth*

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From: Ruth Argust                                       08-Oct-99 00:24:27
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: CPU change

Hi Rich.

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to All:

 RW> Quick question
 RW> I have 2 systems I would like to get a bit more speed in.  Both are
 RW> Pentiums, one a 133 mhz, the other a 166 mhz.  The boards will only
 RW> go up to a 200 mhz processor.  I was thinking about a AMD K6 and
 RW> under clocking it, but am not sure which would work right and is
 RW> still available.

I don't know if this is an alternative you might wish to try. Check the
internet for specs on the MB. I searched using the model number and found a
lot of information for mine. The book for it said that the processor would
only go up to a 200 mhz processor but that was not correct per the web pages I 
located. I did confirm this via email with the manufacturer. The MB, in fact
will take up to a 233 MMX processor and I found one for about $30 plus
shipping. Granted the increase in speed from a P150 to P233 isn't all that
much but I have noticed a definite improvement. If you can do this on your
133, you will most likely see the difference.

I already had 64 megs of ram.

 RW> Also, would this effect OS/2??

My change did not effect OS/2 in any bad way, it just gave me better I/O.

                                  *ruth*

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From: Ruth Argust                                       08-Oct-99 00:27:11
  To: David Calafrancesco                               08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: CPU change

Hi David.

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Rich Wonneberger:

 DC> Motherboards cost about the same as an AMD K6-II-400. Both together
 DC> cost less than any of the CPU upgrade options that I have seen. The
 DC> pair should run you circa $130 and if you are careful will still
 DC> use your existing memory until you can get new memory modules (wait
 DC> until the RAM prices drop again).  

I really wanted a new MB but they just don't come with enough ISA slots these
days. That meant getting a new sound card and I have forgotten what else.
Having one ISA slot for the STB-4com is essential and many new MB's only have
one of this type.

Instead of being frustrated with this right now, I settled with spending about 
$30 plus shipping for a bit more speed per my prior post to Rich :) I am going 
to be known as the bargain shopper here soon <g>.


                                 *ruth*

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   07-Oct-99 06:24:02
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    08-Oct-99 15:46:26
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Sunday October 03 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Bas Heijermans:
;
Kris,

 KS> I'm no messing around: that ONE problem on my system has beel
 KS> pinpointed to the Matrox Drivers. And not by me, btw, but by
 KS> someone having the same amount of knowledge about these things as
 KS> And I take the liberty to believe her instead of you, because what
 KS> she says match _exactly_ what is happening on my system.

Ah, yes... "anything can happen", which in Belgium roughly translates to
"lightning hit my house, and my computer blew up.  It's those sucking Matrox
drivers".

Or, "disable the IRQ for VGA" which translates directly to "Matrox cards done
share IRQs well".  Never mind that you aren't discussing the same IRQs there,
or even understand the difference!

I wish you'd take the time to ask Dani what *she* meant!

 KS> YOU don't knwo what you are talking about!

Yes, he does!  *You*, OTOH, obviously don't.

 KS>  The Aopen AX59PRO has no possibility to reassign the video-IRQ. Look
 KS> at my previous message, look at the fucking manual (it's in Spanish,
 KS> you sure are able to read): the video-irq is ALWAYS bouns to the same
 KS> one as the mass-controler.

As it is on my DFI K6VB3+.  That STILL doesn't matter, as we are discussing
two different IRQs here, which you don't understand.  I won't bother to
explain it because yoyr level of understanding, and predisposition to blame
anything and everything on the Matrox drivers, regardless of the facts, would
make that futile at best.

-[Steve]-

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From: David Calafrancesco                               07-Oct-99 20:31:04
  To: Will Honea                                        08-Oct-99 18:16:00
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Will Honea wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 WH> David Calafrancesco wrote to Kris Steenhaut on 10-05-1999

DC> Bull. I applied the latest DANIS506 driver and it blew the 
DC> entire drive out on me. I couldn't even boot with floppies 
DC> and access the drive, it would trap on any set of disks. 
DC> When I finally got rid of the partition tables I could 
DC> finally access the drive again. A terrible price to pay. 

 WH> Just to be contrary for once in my life <g>, I have to say
 WH> that I've been using Dani's drivers for quite a while - with
 WH> an 8.4g and a 6.4g drive + CDROM - with no problem on this
 WH> machine (VIA chipset).  It's also performing well with
 WH> machines using Intel and SIS chipsets for me.  Much better
 WH> performance on the VIA and SIS boards, about equal to
 WH> IBM1S506.ADD on the Intel 440bx set.

What torqued me the most was that all I did was put the driver into place in
config.sys, shut down, rebooted and it instant trapped. Tried rebooting to go
to the command prompt and it traps instantly after hitting Alt-F1. Then I
fired up the install disks, and they trap on bootup. I removed the drive and
put a different drive in as primary and everything boots fine. Haven't dared
try the DANIS driver a second time. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine! 
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From: Daniela Engert                                    06-Oct-99 19:28:09
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Oct-99 21:32:07
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hi Eddy!

Thus quoth Eddy Thilleman to Bat Lang:

 ET> As you may know OS/2 Netlabs is working on the OS/2 port of the
 ET> well known Opera webbrowser (http://www.operasoftware.com).
 ET> Currently we have two people in the team but we need a third one.
 ET> We will do the port with support of Odin32, the new Win32-API
 ET> implementation for OS/2 (http://www.netlabs.org/odin/).

Current status: The yet to be released next version Win32 source of Opera
compiles using IBM VisualAge C/C++ and links successfully against the Odin32
API libraries.

So, getting Opera fully functional boils down to fixing Odin. Skilled people
are welcome!

bye, Dani

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From: Mike Roark                                        07-Oct-99 20:32:26
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    08-Oct-99 21:32:07
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Bas!

Tuesday October 05 1999 15:02, Bas Heijermans wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> and I'm in the mood to upgrade the cpu to an AMD k6-2/500 if
 MR>> I can convince the wife to get it for my birthday.. ;-)

 BH> You better go to an AMD-K6-3:-)

Any particular reason why? I have the option to get either and the price is
about the same. I haven't looked at the differences so I'm not familiar with
them. the K6-2/266 that I have right now works quite nicely. That was the only 
real reason to use the same one.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 3h 34m 38s 687ms (en).

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