
                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

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From: Francois Massonneau                               24-Sep-99 22:07:16
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Sep-99 06:41:19
Subj: Editor

Hello Eddy!

Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Paul Marwick:

 pm>> For a small, freeware editor, this one is pretty good. Includes
 pm>> multiple file editing, syntax highlighting, programable keyboard. And
 pm>> its text mode and small enough to install on a boot floppy (:-)

 ET> I would like this editor. I have searched for it with search engines
 ET> on internet, but couldn't find it. Can you send it to my email
 ET> address eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl? Thanks in advance.

A good one is KON. This is part of the doc file :

Kon is a multi-purpose PM text-editor with a lot of useful functions.
Kon features:
  * Built-in hexeditor. Switchable between ASCII and hex anytime. Hex startup
    switch.
  * Full control of the file you're editing, even in ASCII mode. No codes are 
    inserted in the document unless the ones you specify. 
  * Handles LF only linebreaks without converting the file
  * Configurable syntax highlighting
  * Configurable keys (Borland/Wordstar by default)
  * Configurable toolbar
  * Search & Replace in multiple files
  * Regular expressions
  * Macro support (editable macros)
  * Undo/redo on all editor functions with configurable buffer
  * Multi-threaded operation
  * Column block
  * Word wrap
  * Drag & Drop
  * Opens up to 25 files in separate windows
  * Window manager
  * Usable as a file viewer in read-only mode.
  * View files in file dialog before you open.
  * Autosave
  * Prints to printer or file
  * Selectable code page
  * ASCII table
  * Jump to specified pos at program startup
  * Convert text between different codepages
  * Small and easy to use.
Kon does not require any specific installation. Just place Kon in a directory
of your choice and add the directory to the PATH= statement in CONFIG.SYS.
Kon also has a visual Make-utility, (Kon Project Manager), which is free to
use
for registered users of Kon.
For more information, see:
http://www.bmtmicro.com/kon

Bye, Francois!


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From: Rob Basler                                        25-Sep-99 20:39:00
  To: Frits Spieker                                     26-Sep-99 06:41:19
Subj: It's not over. Period.

FS>If you would have read what I wrote, you would have noticed
FS>that I am *very* happy with OS/2 myself.
FS>And apart from that: OS/2 Warp Server for e-Business is
FS>*not* "OS/2 client software".

I read your post.  It's still an instance of chicken little syndrome.
Just look at the subject.  "It's over. Period." That's flamebait.

I'm glad you're happy with OS/2, so am I. And WSeB is client software
here, even if it isn't the client everyone is looking for.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        25-Sep-99 14:48:01
  To: Jack Stein                                        26-Sep-99 06:41:19
Subj: OS/2 Support

JS>Check out what they are running every where else in the
JS>bank, other than the ATM machine.  They run almost 100% MS
JS>OS's.

Oddly enough, my bank branch updated all their machines about a year
ago, they have 100% OS/2 warp desktops in the branch.

JS> ML>     IBM gave up on trying to sell OS/2 to the AIHU years
JS> ML> ago, as OS/2 became too complex for the couch-potato
JS> ML> mentality to handle.
JS>OS/2 is no more "complex" to use than WIN, in fact, it's easier actually.

That's what I've always thought.  You sure spend a lot less time
"fixing" it.

JS>IBM never supported OS/2.  They developed it, but never
JS>attempted to get anyone to actually use it.  When people
JS>used it anyway, they were miffed, and when a lot started to
JS>use it, the aggresively marketed against it.

Back in the Warp 3 days they did attempt to get people to use it, they
also aggressively looked for preload agreements.  The MS trial in the
states has had a lot of stories about how systems integraters were
scared off preinstalling OS/2 by MS reps.  There was quite a bit of
advertising for it in those days, both in trade mags and on TV of all
things.  Why IBM decided to smother it, no one knows.  Some say that
support cost too much, some say IBM did it to get a better preload deal
for Windows 95, I don't know what is true.

JS>It's a bear trying to
JS>figure out what to buy.  I want to go to best buy and just
JS>get one off the floor, like everyone else does, but, alas,
JS>who knows if it'll run OS/2 correctly.

Go to a smaller place, custom pick your components, it isn't that hard.
The only tricky part is video card and printer, you can't go too far
wrong with much else.  Also have a look at IBM's device driver page, and
ask here if there is a component you are unsure about.

JS>Yeah, but at a big price.  MS supports it's customers also,
JS>they just pay for the same thing over and over again, and
JS>the price is about the same either way.

Have you ever tried to get support from MS on any product but its most
current?  It is completely unaffordable.  I tried to get help with a bug
in MS Mail for a large company, MS wanted $25,000 just to talk to me.
Needless to say, the bug still stands today.  If you want support for a
MS product, you have to go to who you bought it from, that's your only
option.

Rob.
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From: Dan Egli                                          25-Sep-99 21:40:28
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   26-Sep-99 06:41:19
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

 -=> Quoting Herbert Rosenau to Dan Egli <=-

 DE> Ok all. How do I get my SoundBlaster AWE64 configured w/ Warp 4?

Where in zone 1 or on the Net can  I get this file?
 HR> ----------------------------Abbeien-----------------------
 HR> SB326411.ZIP 1763503 25.02.98  Sound Blaster Drivers SB 16, AWE32,
 HR> AWE64 and Utilities v1.1  Here is Daniel

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From: Charles Gaefke                                    22-Sep-99 12:45:25
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   26-Sep-99 11:31:03
Subj: Re: tcpip and \mptn

RJ>  CG>     I'd think it has to do with a misconception that 
RJ>  CG> consolidated directories take up less space.
RJ> 
RJ> Don't they?

    Not anything appreciable.

RJ> "Loaded with stuff" is a good way to put it.  It was one thing when
running
RJ> dos,  but anything more recent seems to think nothing of tossing literally 

RJ> thousands of files all over the place...

    Yup.  Office 97 comes to mind.  Or InterNet Exploder.  Or any of the new 
MS products, for that matter.

RJ> The ones that get me in the OS/2 setup are where there's two or three 
RJ> directories in depth,  and only one file (if that!) at the bottom of the
wh
RJ> thing.  I can't see why this is necessary or desirable.

    I have to agree with you here.


C. Gaefke
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From: Charles Gaefke                                    22-Sep-99 12:49:01
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       26-Sep-99 11:31:03
Subj: Re: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n

MR> My two Couriers are the only modems I've ever bought that came with a 
MR> useful manual.

    USR wins hands down when it coems to modem quality.

MR> Only if the only use you have for the Internet is web browsing.  That's
not
MR> even my primary use.  I had a cable modem for two years (moved outside the 


    The majority of the people using the net use it for web browsing.

    Hence why Internet exploder is bundled with Windows.


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From: Charles Gaefke                                    23-Sep-99 00:33:00
  To: Coridon Henshaw                                   26-Sep-99 11:31:03
Subj: Re: File Managers

CH> I think that depends on the outcome of the various MS antitrust suits.  If 

CH> gets hammered, WinXX could end up very much dead.  If MS gets off scot
free
CH> even with another slap on the wrist, the Microsoft monopoly will grow 
CH> explosively, likely in areas beyond the computing field.

    Um, no, I don't think so.

    As long as consumers are braindead and hop on the "latest release of 
Windows is the best version of Windows" bandwagon, suit or no suit, M$ is 
raking in money hand over fist with their Windows cash cow.

    It's rather disgusting when you think about it.

    Windows 95, first release.  Barely suitable for a beta version.  Millions 
of people lined up at midnite the night before to buy it.

    Two some years later, M$ gets the majority of the bugs fixed, slaps a new 
"look and feel" on it (called Active Desktop), while shoving InterNet Exploder
in as well, making it even slower still - and they release it as Windows 98.  
People line up once again to get it.  Keep in mind, this is what they 
-thought- they were getting with Windows 95.

    M$ fixes a couple hundred more bugs, and a year later releases Windows 98 
2nd edition.  

    When will people catch on.


C. Gaefke
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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   25-Sep-99 14:34:26
  To: Rob Basler                                        26-Sep-99 11:31:03
Subj: It's over. Period.

On Wednesday September 22 1999 at 22:49, Rob Basler wrote to Frits Spieker:

 RB> Meanwhile I am enjoying the preparations for the very sunny day when
 RB> I receive my new SMP machine to go with my brand-new OS/2 client
 RB> software (OS/2 Warp Server for e-Business).

Server != client.  Especially not at the prices IBM is charging.

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   25-Sep-99 14:59:15
  To: Murray Lesser                                     26-Sep-99 11:31:03
Subj: It's not over yet

On Thursday September 23 1999 at 08:01, Murray Lesser wrote to Coridon
Henshaw:

 ML> My "evidence" is in IBM's current pricing policy for its newer OS/2
 ML> software, such as VA PL/I v 2.1 and Warp Server for e-Business; these
 ML> are priced considerably above what most inhabitants of this echo are
 ML> willing to pay.

Hardware and software support doesn't really matter for a server.  All the
server administrator will care about is how many HTTP, netbios, NFS, et cetra, 
connections the OS can juggle without losing speed.  It's not a problem if the 
OS only supports two currently produced video cards.  As for applications, all 
that matters are the server daemons.

But on the other hand, I don't run an 'e-Business' server at home.  Being able 
to find supported, quality, wordprocessors (and other applications) that work
is far more important to me than how many HTTP requests Warp Server can handle 
in a minute.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   25-Sep-99 21:15:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        26-Sep-99 11:31:03
Subj: OS/2 Support

In a message dated 09-21-99, Jack Stein said to Murray Lesser:

Hi Jack,

JS>IBM never supported OS/2.  They developed it, but never attempted to
JS>get anyone to actually use it.  When people used it anyway, they
JS>were miffed, and when a lot started to use it, the aggresively
JS>marketed against it.  About the only marketing IBM did with OS/2 was
JS>to kill it, before it killed MS.

Well Jack, you're partly wrong. I vividly remember the advertisements
for Warp, both on CNN and other TV channels as well as in the computer
press and daily papers.

I've been using OS/2 since v2.1 and am still at it with Warp 4.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Steven Thompson                                   25-Sep-99 21:55:21
  To: Jack Stein                                        26-Sep-99 14:55:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Jack.

22 Sep 99 08:56, you wrote to Frits Spieker:

 JS> How about an alternative OS/2 OS?  Wouldn't that be neat?  Sort of the
 JS> OS/2 version of LINUX.  Oh, and never say never!

Something tells me that IBM wouldn't allow it...  Number one, to run OS/2
programs, it would have to be licensed by IBM, and also, you wouldn't be able
to call it OS/2.  IBM may not care about OS/2, but that doesn't mean they
won't protect their trademarks.

Steve.

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From: Steven Thompson                                   25-Sep-99 21:57:15
  To: Frits Spieker                                     26-Sep-99 14:55:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Frits.

23 Sep 99 20:41, you wrote to Charles Gaefke:

 FS> Don't get me wrong. I will be using OS/2 for quite some time to come
 FS> as well, but I do not plan on being the "Amiga user" of the 2010's.
 FS> (In stating "See, I still use OS/2 so it isn't dead.)

Hmmmm...  Seems to me we are more like the Amiga users of the '90s, since OS/2 
isn't Windows or Linux, which is what the rest of the world regards as
"current"...  On that note, however, I have no problem with sticking with
something that works, even if it is no longer supported.  I undoubtedly will
have to run Windows as well (for programming applications for school), but my
BBS will always keep me using OS/2, since Windows doesn't even come close to
the stability or speed of OS/2.

Steve.

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From: Frits Spieker                                     25-Sep-99 12:07:00
  To: Tobias Ernst                                      26-Sep-99 14:55:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

 TE> I don't know. What I do now is that there were also IBMers posting
 TE> that the meeting Brad was talking about had not taken place because
 TE> some of the importand attendees could not get there because of the
 TE> Hurricane.

Nope. That were no IBM'rs, that was mr "The OS/2 guy" Martin whose only
purpose in life seems to be to hype his beloved Warp city. And he of course
was quoting anonymous sources.

 TE> Don't get me wrong, I don't want to say Brad Wardell did not say the
 TE> truth, but I want to say that IBM has made nothing official.

Fair enough.

 TE>  There has not been a decision against OS/2, there has just not yet
 TE> been a decision in favour of it.

And the difference for us non-20.000+ OS/2-seats end users would be?


 TE> This is what is really causing harm, not IBM's non-decision.

You don't think that IBM's "less than enthousiastic" stance towards OS/2 has
been harmful? You must be joking!

 TE> As for me, I'll continue to use OS/2 as long as it serves my needs
 TE> best (and this did not change just because of a Usenet posting from
 TE> Brad), and I'll hope to continue to find fellow OS/2 users in
 TE> Fidonet. :-)

Well, aparently a lot of people missed my point. I too will continue to use
OS/2 for quite some time to come, but at the same time I will also be looking
at a *possible* follow-up system *candidate*. (And no, Windows will not be
it.) Of course I can just shut my eyes for reality and think that everything
will be hunky dory in 5 years from now, but how big do you think the chance
for a new OS/2 client will be?

I'll admit to one thing though (meant as a compliment): You have a *very*
balanced view. A *very* big plus over some of the fanatics that treat OS/2 as
some sort of religion.

Grtz,
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From: Frits Spieker                                     25-Sep-99 12:15:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        26-Sep-99 14:55:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

And then Jack Stein mumbled something about 'Re: It's over. Period.'.

 JS> How about an alternative OS/2 OS?  Wouldn't that be neat?  Sort of the
 JS> OS/2 version of LINUX.  Oh, and never say never!

I would *love* that!


Bye bye,
// Frits //

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         22-Sep-99 20:14:20
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  26-Sep-99 14:55:17
Subj: DIGCLOCK/ANACLOCK

 CV>>> JFYI: Your clocks, both digital and analog, shows me time in
 CV>>> China I think :) TZ is set correctly.

 JP>> Setting TZ is not all that you have to do.

 CV>  8< === Begin OS/2 Clipboard === >8
 CV> SET TZ=MSK-3MSD,3,-1,0,7200,10,-1,0,10800,3600
 CV>  8< === End OS/2 Clipboard === >8
 CV>  And RTC in local time. 

You cut the second line out of my message, which leads me to suspect that you
accidentally overlooked it.  It was important, so here it is again:

VIEW OS2CLU02 RTC

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         22-Sep-99 20:45:05
  To: Darren Hamilton                                   26-Sep-99 14:55:17
Subj: New DATE command

 DH> Is the 32-bit command interpreter specific to OS/2 v4.0? 

No.  It isn't part of any OS/2 release at all.

 DH> I tried the DATE /N command with OS/2 v3.0 (FP 40 and 32-bit CMD.EXE 
 DH> file) [...]

No you didn't.

OS/2 converted from 16 bits to 32 bits in stages, with various pieces going
32-bit in each new version from OS/2 version 2.0 to OS/2 version 3.0.  The
fact that the conversion was staged is perfectly acceptable, of course; but
some parts IBM has never got around to converting at all.  Even in OS/2 Warp 4 
with the latest fixpacks many parts are still 16-bit.  The fact that IBM never 
pulled its finger out and completed the job is one of the things that I find
irritating about IBM.

CMD is one of those parts.  The 16-bit CMD.EXE that is supplied with OS/2 Warp 
4 is pretty much the same 16-bit CMD.EXE that was supplied with OS/2 version
1.0.  IBM doesn't even have the excuse (that it has with other programs) that
CMD.EXE has to be a Family Mode program and so has to remain 16-bit for VDM
compatibility.

So when you run a text-mode session in OS/2 Warp 4, you are still running the
16-bit command interpreter.

If you don't like such 16-bit vestiges, this would be another reason why you
have something to look forward to.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         23-Sep-99 07:51:16
  To: Darren Hamilton                                   26-Sep-99 14:55:17
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 DH> Is the 32-bit command interpreter specific to OS/2 v4.0? I tried the
 DH> DATE /N command with OS/2 v3.0 (FP 40 and 32-bit CMD.EXE file) and
 DH> received an error message:
 DH>
 DH> SYS1036: The system cannot accept the date entered.

If you crank up IBM's 16-bit CMD, and run the TIME command with the /? option, 
you will notice that it documents a /N option.  The idea of this /N option is
obviously to overcome a long-standing problem with both the DATE and TIME
commands, namely that one cannot use them to just *display* the current date
and time, without altering it, since they, in the absence of arguments giving
a new date or time, prompt interactively for a new date or time.  

But documenting it in the help message is as far as IBM's 16-bit CMD goes.  It 
doesn't actually *implement* it, in either the DATE or the TIME commands, as
you have discovered.  

With the new 32-bit CMD, since the DATE and TIME commands were being enhanced
*anyway* to support timezones, respect the TZ environment variable, and to
have the ability to comply with the ISO 8601 standard, it wasn't much trouble
to actually implement the /N option as well:

        [C:\]date /n
        Current date is: Wed 1999-09-22 21:40:38 +0100
        [C:\]date /n /l
        Current date is: Wed 22-09-1999 09:40:41 pm BST
        [C:\]date
        Current date is: Wed 1999-09-22 21:40:46 +0100
        Enter a new date:
        [C:\]date /l
        Current date is: Wed 22-09-1999 09:40:48 pm BST
        Enter a new date:
        [C:\]date /?
        DATE   Display or set the current date
        Copyright (c) 1999 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard.  All Rights Reserved.

        Usage: DATE [/?] [/N] [/L] [/Fformat] [date]

               /N  Do not prompt for a new date
               /L  Display the date in the current country's local format.
                   By default, the date will be displayed in ISO 8601 
        standard form.
        [C:\]

  JdeBP 

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                25-Sep-99 16:39:05
  To: Will Honea                                        26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Will!

Sep 23 19:28 99, Will Honea wrote to Rob Basler:

 WH> Let's see, W2K is due when???

January of 1901! {snerk}

Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath)
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   26-Sep-99 14:36:28
  To: Steven Thompson                                   26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: It's over. Period.

Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 ST> 22 Sep 99 08:56, you wrote to Frits Spieker:

 JS> How about an alternative OS/2 OS?  Wouldn't that be neat?  Sort of the
 JS> OS/2 version of LINUX.  Oh, and never say never!

 ST> Something tells me that IBM wouldn't allow it...  

Not that they would necessarily have a choice in the matter.

 ST> Number one, to run OS/2 programs, it would have to be licensed 
 ST> by IBM, 

Unless something which functioned as such were to be reverse-engineered.  This 
is what nailed IBM when it came to "clone" hardware and the BIOS software
needed to support it.

 ST> and also, you wouldn't be able to call it OS/2.

True.

 ST> IBM may not care about OS/2, but that doesn't mean they won't 
 ST> protect their trademarks.

Yeah,  but that isn't really what's going to determine the outcome of this --
only one thing is,  and that's whether or not there's sufficient interest in
such a thing to have enough people get involved in the effort to bring it
about.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   26-Sep-99 14:39:05
  To: Steven Thompson                                   26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: It's over. Period.

Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Frits Spieker:

 ST> On that note, however, I have no problem with sticking with 
 ST> something that works, even if it is no longer supported.

Y'know,  I used to say the same thing about CP/M!  :-)

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   26-Sep-99 13:13:23
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: tcpip and \mptn

Charles Gaefke wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

RJ> "Loaded with stuff" is a good way to put it.  It was one thing when
RJ> running dos,  but anything more recent seems to think nothing 
RJ> of tossing literally thousands of files all over the place...

 CG>     Yup.  Office 97 comes to mind.  Or InterNet Exploder. Or 
 CG> any of the new MS products, for that matter.

Yeah.  I remember doing some installs at a computer store earlier in the year, 
and listening to the incredible amount of disk activity that was going on --
each "click" corresponding to another seek of the heads.  There's no way I can 
consider something that works that way to be productive...

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From: Jan Danielsson                                    26-Sep-99 14:13:18
  To: Frits Spieker                                     26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: It's over. Period.

Frits Spieker wrote in a message to Jan Danielsson:

[...]

   I'm very sorry for that. It seems as if the people who copy Wardells post,
and add the comment "oh, well.. it seems as if we need to find another system" 
all are made of the same stuff - Wardell fanatiscm. I seems I was wrong about
you, and I apologize.

   I want people to think for themselves, and not just listen to what Wardell
thinks. Everytime someone reposts his post, and add the comment "Now it really 
is over." (or something similar) then he gets what he wants. The way I see it, 
adding a "What do you think?" is a much neater approach.


Again, I am sorry.


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From: Jan Danielsson                                    26-Sep-99 14:24:21
  To: Frits Spieker                                     26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: It's over. Period.

 FS> Wednesday September 22 1999: Hairs a mess and tie askew Sean Dennis
 FS> walked up to Jan Danielsson stated:

 SD> This isn't a flame, this is a fact.

 FS> I have the feeling that mr Danielsson is not interested in facts
 FS> nor that he would know one if it hit him in the face.

 FS> This is not a flame either, just an observation from a "Stardock
 FS> Lemming" as mr Danielsson likes to call people with other ideas
 FS> than his own. 

   And again, I'm sorry. I've seen too many to not think you were 'just
another one'. I was dead wrong.


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From: Jan Danielsson                                    26-Sep-99 14:27:18
  To: Steven Thompson                                   26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: FAT to HPFS

 ST> Anyone know of a utility that will allow me to convert an existing
 ST> FAT partition to HPFS (other than Partition Magic) without losing
 ST> the existing data? 

I think that Partition Magic is 'the way to go'.

   Many people who have used that function say that you should remember to
backup even if the program is written to be able to do it without loosing
data. So if you're not going to resize any partitions or anything... Couldn't
you borrow a friends system and copy the stuff over to him (null-modem). Then
you won't even need a special program.


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From: Jan Danielsson                                    26-Sep-99 14:34:24
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: IBM going broke?

[...]
 BS> So the real question for us OS/2 users is not "will there be a new
 BS> OS/2 client? " but in a few years time, "will there be an IBM?". 

   IBM won't be going anywhere for a looong time. If they will remain on the
PC-market as an 'home PC'-choice is the big question.


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From: Jan Danielsson                                    26-Sep-99 16:55:06
  To: Murray Lesser                                     26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: OS/2 Support

 ML>     Check on what OS your bank ATM is running under.  Most of them
 ML> still use OS/2 (some of them OS/2 1.3!).  Banks that have changed
 ML> to WinNT have tended to regret it.

   Our largets local bank switched to NT and since that we have had big
problems with the ATM:s. A friends friend has a couple of pictures of various
ATM (NT) traps. However, I don't really know who to blame.. When the ATM's
restart one can see that the ATM starts a DOS-application just as it's
starting up. The DOS-program is the actual ATM-client.

   Blaming NT for a bad DOS-application isn't right, but I find it strange for 
them to chose the "secure system NT" to run a DOS application.

Why not just use DOS?


Oh, well.. I guess it's too complicated for me.


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From: Jan Danielsson                                    26-Sep-99 17:19:26
  To: Ben Ritchey                                       26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: Re^2: NC 4.61

 AH> What do you think of 4.61?
 BR> Comparable to Win95 version and stable enough, though they both
 BR> have a tendency to crash on occasion at certain sites. Still my
 BR> Browser of choice. :) 



   I am having problems printing tables which do not fit on a sungle page.
However, it seems that it only affects when printing with colors.

   I sent a bug-report to the IBM Netscape team, and they said that it bahaves 
as the NT-version, and it would therefor not be fixed.


Could someone give it a try, and let me know if it works?


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From: Matthijs Dekker                                   26-Sep-99 10:13:06
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: IBM going broke?

Hello Bryan,

On 24 Sep 99 20:05, Bryan Schwartz wrote to All:

 BS> Software:  IBM up 6.3%
 BS>            Microsoft up 23%
Sales figures mean nothing. Net profit is whats it all about.
As long as a company makes profit, it's not going broke.
When a company has to spend 12 dollars to sell a product for the price of 10
dollars, then it's likely to go broke.
That's how I see it, but I'm just a techie.

 BS> It's Big Lou that had IBM give windows NT a big boost
 BS> by having a version of IBM's DB/2 written for it. A real
 BS> farsighted move that was. 
How about giving DB/2 a big boost by writing a version for NT?
Battle with Microsoft SQL server on it own turf.
Stop Oracle from gaining more market share on the database market.
You could see something good in all of this. 

 BS> Nothing like cutting the legs from under your own operating system, OS/2, 

 BS> and giving support to a rival company's OS. 
Making a version of DB/2 for NT has nothing to do with OS/2, or NT for that
matter. It's about DB/2 and about customer demand. If customers decide to have 
NT as their platform, should IBM say no to them, if they ask for DB/2?
Okay, they didn't sell OS/2 to those customers, but now they can sell DB/2 to
them. IBM happy and even more important, happy IBM customers.
And just maybe, someday, these customers will ask IBM if they have a more
stable platform, to replace NT.

 BS> Did Microsoft write a version of Microsoft Office for OS/2 in return? 
Which OS/2 user would ask for that?
I wouldn't.

 BS> But what a wonderful way to raise company moral and get empolyees
 BS> motivated...just shaft your own products infavour of the competition.
It's a very good way to motivate the employees. It's sends a message that when 
sales of one produkt (OS/2) are down, the other parts of the company don't
have to suffer. Now DB/2 can even grow bigger.
IBM is expanding into new markets (like NT and Linux) and that means other
companies are going to lose market share. Do you think that employees at
Microsoft, Sun or Oracle had a big party when IBM announced DB/2 for NT?

 BS> So the real question for us OS/2 users is not "will there be a new OS/2 
 BS> client? " but in a few years time, "will there be an IBM?". 
Of course there will be an IBM. And hopefully there will also still be a
Microsoft. Would be a shame if IBM had to throw away all their nice NT
products, wouldn't it? :-)

Maybe you missed the news, but IBM is switching from a product selling company 
to a services based company. IBM is helping companies to become E-businesses
and that's more than just selling them a web enabled piece of software, like
for example Warp server for e-business. 

I hope OS/2 will be around for many years to come.

Matthijs


(Disclaimer: 
 Everything I stated in this message is strictly my own peronal view.)

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  26-Sep-99 16:52:13
  To: All                                               26-Sep-99 19:30:15
Subj: Test Message

I just converted this base to JAM
Am I still getting out OK??
Netmail reply please.

TIA
Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Murray Lesser                                     26-Sep-99 20:07:00
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    26-Sep-99 20:07:00
Subj: IBM going broke?

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-24-99, Bryan Schwartz to All)

Hi Bryan--

BS>From an Forbes Mag. article at http://www.wired.com/news entitled
  >"IBM's Giant Gamble" the following examples of IBM continuing to
  >decline in relationship to it's competition: Unix Servers: IBM sales
  >up 3% last year, but
  >              Sun Microsystem's sales up 29%
  >PCs : IBM down 2.4%
  >      Dell Computers up 53%
  >      Hewlett-Packard up 20%
  >Software:  IBM up 6.3%
  >           Microsoft up 23%
  >Things are so bad at IBM that Lou Grestner has decided to sell off
  >IBM's most valued technology to its compeditors. Is this the old
  >"sell the company assets and claim the sale proceeds as revenue"
  >trick that all companys on their last legs use to keep the
  >shareholders happy? Is IBM desperate? Or is just Big Lou desperate?

    Don't believe everything you read!  Especially don't believe much of
anything you read on the World Wide Wait!  If I believed every thing I
read, I would believe the statement (a few weeks ago in the NY Times,
IIRC) that IBM makes more money on every iMAC that Appple sells than
Apple does, because of all of the IBM-produced components (including CPU
and HD) in it :-).

    It would appear that neither Forbes nor you know the difference
between "technology" and "components" :-(.  (Technology is "how to do
it" -  components are physical things manufactured using technology.)
IBM was selling components that it manufactured long before Gerstner
arrived.  Selling components is not at all the same as "selling
technology" and most certainly is not "selling assets."  Among other
useful changes, Gerstner made the sale of components an active profit
center rather than it being a sometimes thing.  The only really new
things about IBM's current very-large component business is its
aggressive pursuit and the amount of money being made from it :-).

    However, IBM has also sold its "technology" (by licensing patents)
to its competitors since the 1956 consent decree, although this has
become profitable only fairly recently due to a (Gerstner initiated)
stricter enforcement policy with regard to infringers.  Until the
patents expire, it is impossible to build an "IBM compatible" PC without
using IBM patents.  Until Gerstner, most "clone" manufacturers were
infringing.

    What you didn't quote (maybe it wasn't in the article) is that IBM's
sales of "big iron" running OS/390 (a _very_ profitable hunk of
hardware) is up; that IBM again is the world's largest producer of hard
disk drives (for all sizes of systems, for all system manufacturers)
while the PC-only disk-drive producers (such as Seagate and Western
Digital) are in financial trouble; and that IBM as a whole is still
growing nicely.  Of course, the fastest-growing operation in IBM is IBM
Global Services, which you didn't mention.  (I suppose this is selling
"IBM technology" to very large end users, although obviously not in the
sense you are worrying about.)

    This shareholder, for one, is still happy.  Being educated as an
engineer and having 50-years experience in the use and design of
computers, I understand what IBM is selling.  (You might, too, if you
read IBM's annual reports and understood the business, instead of paying
attention to technically ignorant financial reporters' nonsense.)  While
I believe that the current market overvalues all "technology" stocks,
particularly those of the money-losing "internet" companies, I don't
think your report will lead me to sell my IBM stock.  Anyway, I couldn't
afford to pay the capital gains taxes :-).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Gord Hannah                                       26-Sep-99 07:48:29
  To: Bat Lang                                          26-Sep-99 23:20:00
Subj: File Managers

Replying to a message from Bat Lang 1:382/92 to Gord Hannah,

About File Managers, On Sat Sep 18 1999

 GH> Maybe we should think about starting another net called oldfarts net
 GH> and use our old files and systems to run it. :-))

BL> If your dad was 67 when he got his first computer and it had W95 on
BL> it, then you're young enough to be my son! You certainly wouldn't
BL> qualify for an oldfart. {^;  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

AH Bat but I would Dad has not got a foggy clue about DOS, or directory
structure, you know the basics.  I started out using DOS 2.1 (my own system)
first introduction was an old Tandy Coco that needed a tape drive to run.  I
keep trying to tell dad about some of this stuff and he cannot fathom it. 
Good thing I am not expected to keep my sisters machine running, it is a MAC.
:-)  I am considered by some either an oddball or and old fart.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Gord Hannah                                       26-Sep-99 07:57:28
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                26-Sep-99 23:20:00
Subj: File Managers

Replying to a message from Stewart Honsberger 1:229/604 to Gord Hannah,

About File Managers, On Mon Sep 13 1999

SH> I'm in the same boat. My parents use Win'95, and occasionally I'll
SH> have to go over there to fix their system or install software. I

Kinda hard for me to do that my Dad is 600+ miles from me.  All long distance
tech support.

SH> also help out at a friend's computer business every now and again,
SH> and of course, 9/10 systems (or more) that come in are Doze based.
SH> I've re-installed all flavours of Doze several dozen times.

I have not had the displeasure, I know nothing "just an OS/2 user."  I have
little enough hair left as it is.

SH> I finally threw a FAT partition on my machine for Win'98 (a friend
SH> of mine wanted me to play a game with her that seems to only work
SH> under Doze..) so I do deal with it. Installed it 4 times before it
SH> was stable. {sigh}

I would not want to give my self the headache.

SH> I'm just glad I've got OS/2 and Linux to boot back to when I'm done
SH> banging my head on the desk. I love Doze's security - when a browser
SH> locks up running Java, the whole OS goes down. What a great feature!

Am building a linux box as we speak.  Monitor, PS2 mouse and RH5.2 or 6
needed, all else is in place.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Tobias Ernst                                      26-Sep-99 09:22:08
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    26-Sep-99 23:20:00
Subj: IBM going broke?

Hallo Bryan!

 BS> Unix Servers: IBM sales up 3% last year, but
 BS>               Sun Microsystem's sales up 29%
 BS> PCs : IBM down 2.4%
 BS>       Dell Computers up 53%
 BS>       Hewlett-Packard up 20%
 BS> Software:  IBM up 6.3%
 BS>            Microsoft up 23%

 BS> a new OS/2 client? " but in a few years time, "will there be
 BS> an IBM?". 

I don't think so. IBM has a very firm stand in the S/390 and AS/400 market. A
market that is often ignored by market analysiste, allthough it is still
generating quite more then half of IBM's yearly revenue. 

I agree with you that IBM has made some very shortsighted decisions, but I
don't think they will disappear. They had a harder crisis already in the past
an also survived that one.

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   26-Sep-99 15:19:09
  To: Steven Thompson                                   26-Sep-99 23:20:00
Subj: FAT to HPFS

 ST> Anyone know of a utility that will allow me to convert an
 ST> existing FAT partition to HPFS (other than Partition Magic)
 ST> without losing the existing data?

Get INFOs zip/unzip

y:
zip -9rS drive_x x:\*	(NOT *.*)
format x: /FS=HPFS /L
x:
unzip y:\drive_x

done.

On a very big drive you have to build multiple archive. Because zip would eat
all addressroom available for a single progcess and breaks if there are too
many data to pack.

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From: Dan Egli                                          26-Sep-99 00:32:00
  To: All                                               26-Sep-99 23:20:00
Subj: SoundBlaster AWE64 not working

Ok folks, what did I do wrong?
 
I D/Led the Beta drivers from Creative Labs, installed MMPM/2 w/ the 
AWE32 driver. Rebooted, and got the message the card wasn't working. 
No prob. Expected. Now I run the install for the beta drivers, no go. 
Ok.. add /G to the command line. Now it doesn't see the card period. 
Ok, rewrite the config.sys line to as follows:
device=c:\sbos2\sbawed2.sys /c:1 /d:1 /h:5 /i:5 /A:220 /b:8 /m:330 
/n:SBAUD1$ /P /G
 
Ok. Now the config.sys boots w/o a hitch. Says configuring PnP card 
with config.sys settings, lists the above settings (MPU 330, address 
220, IRQ 5, 8k buffer, ect..)
Now when I go into the system, the SB card is listed in the hw 
manager, but it won't give me any sounds, and the SB control pannels 
say unable to open AWE32 physical device driver. Double clicking on 
sounds doesn't open the sound. Nothing happens.
 
What did I do wrong?

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From: Lee Lefler                                        26-Sep-99 11:02:00
  To: Coridon Henshaw                                   27-Sep-99 00:20:18
Subj: It's not over yet

 > Hardware and software support doesn't really matter for a server.
 > All the server administrator will care about is how many HTTP,
 > netbios, NFS, et cetra, connections the OS can juggle without losing
 > speed.  It's not a problem if the OS only supports two currently
 > produced video cards.  As for applications, all that matters are the
 > server daemons.

      I think you over simplified things some.  It DOES matter what
hardware and software support is available.  How well is your server going to
support clients if you can't install up-to-date SCSI controllers or NICs? 
Granted, you don't have to support sound cards and 3D video or HP's flavor of
the day printers.
      And how long do you think Apache will be maintained if all of us
home users have to move on to something else?  I see an awful lot of familiar
names over in the Linux echo.

-ll

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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                26-Sep-99 19:07:08
  To: Mark Ellis                                        27-Sep-99 00:20:19
Subj: Re: Objects

On Stardate 24 Sep 99  07:35:13, Mark Ellis Communicated the Following
To Jeffrey J. Counsil, Regarding Re: Objects...

ME> You must live in a good area :) It would cost me $100 for (4) 4meg 30 pin 
ME> simms around these parts.
JJ> 
JJ> How would $35 U.S. sound?
ME> 
ME> a bit much by the time i change it from canuck bucks. I got a line on a mb 

ME> with cpu and (4) 4 meggers for dirt cheap so I'm hoping this pans out.

That's about ummm $45 CN?  But good luck on that Mobo!

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       25-Sep-99 14:04:00
  To: BRYAN SCHWARTZ                                    27-Sep-99 04:07:05
Subj: IBM going broke?

Some senseless babbling from Bryan Schwartz to All
on 09-24-99  20:05 about IBM going broke?...

 BS> From an Forbes Mag. article at http://www.wired.com/news
 BS> entitled "IBM's Giant Gamble" the following examples of IBM 
 BS> continuing to decline in relationship to it's competition:
 BS> Unix Servers: IBM sales up 3% last year, but
 BS> Sun Microsystem's sales up 29%
 BS> PCs : IBM down 2.4%
 BS> Dell Computers up 53%
 BS> Hewlett-Packard up 20%
 BS> Software:  IBM up 6.3%
 BS> Microsoft up 23%
 BS> Things are so bad at IBM that Lou Grestner has decided to
 BS> sell off IBM's most valued technology to its compeditors.
 BS> Is this the old "sell the company assets and claim the
 BS> sale proceeds as revenue" trick that all companys on their
 BS> last legs use to keep the shareholders happy?
 BS> Is IBM desperate? Or is just Big Lou desperate?
 BS> It's Big Lou that had IBM give windows NT a big boost
 BS> by having a version of IBM's DB/2 written for it. A real
 BS> farsighted move that was. Nothing like cutting the legs
 BS> from under your own operating system, OS/2, and giving
 BS> support to a rival company's OS. Did Microsoft write a
 BS> version of Microsoft Office for OS/2 in return? But what a
 BS> wonderful way to raise company moral and get empolyees
 BS> motivated...just shaft your own products infavour of the
 BS> competition.
 BS> So the real question for us OS/2 users is not "will there be
 BS> a new OS/2 client? " but in a few years time, "will there be
 BS> an IBM?". 

This is quite specious.  Unless you attach dollar figures to those 
percentages, they mean nothing.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... An old Chinese man once said: Damn!

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From: K. Lindholm                                       25-Sep-99 07:54:22
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 04:07:05
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

* Crossposted in TEAMOS2
* Crossposted in OS2

Hello All!

Since ibm.net has been sold to at&t I have a question.  I went with ibm.net as
an isp since they seemed the logical choice for an OS/2 user.  I went to the
download page of at&t (directed to it by the notice from ibm.net) and looked
to see if there was an OS/2 version of their connection software.  If there is 
something other than winX, or Mac software there I cannot see it.  Is there a
good ISP to be had out there that supports OS/2?

K.


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From: Ben Ritchey                                       26-Sep-99 23:34:10
  To: Jan Danielsson                                    27-Sep-99 08:27:13
Subj: Re^3: NC 4.61

CHRS: IBMPC 2

* Whilst Jan Danielsson spake unto Ben Ritchey ...

 AH>> What do you think of 4.61?
 JD>    I am having problems printing tables which do not fit on a sungle
 JD> page. However, it seems that it only affects when printing with

I don't have a graphics printer, however I save pages as .HTM and use HTMStrip 
utility to generate Text for printing, etc.

    Be well,

      Ben    aka CMech  http://Positron.org/cmech/

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From: Bat Lang                                          27-Sep-99 00:27:08
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 09:35:24
Subj: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

A recent file from Fernwood FDN is:

LAME327.ZIP   123k 25.09.99 * (00) LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder version 3.27
                               ported to os/2, compiled with emx 0.9d fix 2
                               (emxrt 0.9d fix required!).
                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Does anyone know where to obtain "emxrt 0.9d fix 2"??  FTP hopefully.
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Murray Lesser                                     27-Sep-99 08:24:00
  To: K. Lindholm                                       27-Sep-99 08:24:00
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

(From a message dated 09-25-99, K. Lindholm to All)

Hi K;;

KL>Since ibm.net has been sold to at&t I have a question.  I went with
  >ibm.net as an isp since they seemed the logical choice for an OS/2
  >user.  I went to the download page of at&t (directed to it by the
  >notice from ibm.net) and looked to see if there was an OS/2 version
  >of their connection software.  If there is something other than
  >winX, or Mac software there I cannot see it.  Is there a good ISP to
  >be had out there that supports OS/2?

    According to a paragraph further down in that e-mail notice you
received from ibm.net, in the section headed "AT&T WorldNet(r) Service
Offer -- Frequently Asked Questions" (A:15):

       The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If
     you are an OS/2 customer, please [go to]
     http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer of
     AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2
     dialer.

    I gather from the remainder of the message that this should be done
before October 1.  I hope you receive this post before it is too late.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Jan Danielsson                                    27-Sep-99 00:47:27
  To: Frits Spieker                                     27-Sep-99 11:46:26
Subj: It's over. Period.

 TE> I don't know. What I do now is that there were also IBMers posting
 TE> that the meeting Brad was talking about had not taken place because
 TE> some of the importand attendees could not get there because of the
 TE> Hurricane.
 FS> Nope. That were no IBM'rs, that was mr "The OS/2 guy" Martin whose
 FS> only purpose in life seems to be to hype his beloved Warp city. And
 FS> he of course was quoting anonymous sources.

Nope. Timothy Sipples (IBM'er) also said that the meeting never took place.

   However, the meeting never took place because there was no need for it. IBM 
decided before the 'final meeting' that there would be no Stardock<->IBM OS/2
client. So Tim was right, the meeting never took place, but he tried to make
it look like Brad was luying about it. As far as I can remember, Brad never
claimed that the meeting actually took place.

   Although Tim Martin is (as you point out) somewhat of a crazed fanatic,
it's important to remember that he does have some good news-sources.


Here's a helper:


   Tim + Brad
   ---------- = truth
       2


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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: FP Install again...

Hi folks!

Why need again help about FP? Well, I formatted the HD whitout want. :(

I am with more-or-less the same files & I backed up only the programs
and the midi (many many midis.. :), downloading again all things, and
the FP38 already in HD but I *loose* the script for install! :-(

Need the script for install, diunpack.exe & the program which is
necessary for install I just have.

If I need reinstall from the scratch & I go post again... :)

Why I dont need install the FP actually? Two HDs. :)

The system is on the first, & the thing happen on the second.

If I had only one HD I have real problems, with the system
already installed & FixPaked (38) I dont start from the ground.

I use zip & my backup is on zip disks... Whitout FP38 level, the
backup is no-use, at all. I think which the folks understand my
problem with zip. :) Backup in zip is a no no no real backup. :/

Replies by email may be send too for: rcb@iconet.com.br

Yet in the resistance, OS2 forever. :)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Darren Ryall                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Command interpreters

 -=> Quoting Darren Ryall to Tony Pater <=-

 -=> Quoting Tony Pater to Darren Ryall <=-
 
 DR> 
 DR> 128 days, 22 hours, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds until January 1, 2000.
 DR> Are you ready for Y2K?
 DR> 

I am not sure. :-) And you?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Darren Ryall                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Need OS/2

 -=> Quoting Darren Ryall to Albert Sodyl <=-

 -=> Quoting Albert Sodyl to DARREN RYALL <=-

 DR> If you get Warp 3, add fixpack 39 or 40 to it.  If you get Warp 4, add
 DR> fixpack 10 or 11 to it.  You'll be able to use Warp after the end of

Is fixpak 39/40/41 brazilian available? Any one, RSU, DSK & others.

The better fixpak for my warp I encountered until now is 38.

Support for warp3 go died?! I hear about that. No fixpaks anymore.

No new versions of IDEDASD.EXE & things like this.

Is this really?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: John Thompson                                     27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Rodent

 -=> Quoting John Thompson to Steve McCrystal <=-

 JT> GO! v1.5 - (c) 1993-95 by Carsten Wimmer <cawim@train.oche.de>

 JT> Available from hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/process/go_15.zip

My experience about the kill feature about that prog is: this is BAD.

I use others utilities for kill & list process too. See:

  PID  PPID THRD PRTY COMMAND
   12     0    1 0200 tlhide
    3     0    4 0304 cntrl
    1     0    6 0100 vdm
    4     1   23 0200  pmshell
  146     4    3 021E   netscape
  144     4    2 0200   clipserv
  141     4    1 0200   4os2
  143   141    1 0200    nftp
  139     4    4 0200   in-joy
   58     4    1 0200   fc
   33     4    1 0200   bwave
  165    33    1 0200    4os2
  166   165    1 0200     fc
   31     4    1 0200   4os2
  170    31    1 0200    ps
   11     4    4 0400   taskbox
    9     4    3 0200   npswps
    8     4    1 0200   xfile
    7     4   15 0200   pmshell
    6     4    4 0200   pmspool
    5     4    3 0300   harderr
    2     1    1 031F  vdm

Tiny list of task. I like! :) Only useful info for me.

For the kill feature I like KillEm 2.1 (of 1991!!!) :)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Murray Lesser                                     27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Norton AV

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to John Thompson <=-

 ML> install the AV app, and didn't bother Semantic when they took over
 ML> IBMAV.  Is there anything in your package of goodies actually aimed at
 ML> any potential OS/2 viruses, or are all the new viruses these days being
 ML> written for Win32 systems?

I dont have absolute trust for which I encontered this: BackOrifice/2.

Beware, out there have guys with bad intentions.

To make a virus for it guys is a trivial task & headache for us.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Why is this?

Hi Eddy!

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Lars Abrahamsson <=-

 ET> I really have forgotten that fixpack versions other than US lags
 ET> behind. I don't know what is the newest Swedish fixpack, but with
 ET> Warpcast you have the latest news. Other than that, you can check IBM's
 ET> online webpage for fixpacks to check what's the newest version for you.

What the address?! :)

I have problems for instal fixpak, again.

Loose HD, then... download all again & searching/thinking/remembering...

Whitout 1k of script make 26000k absolutely no useful. (fp38br)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

 -=> Quoting Russell Tiedt to All <=-

 RT> I am trying to install Fixpack 38 for WARP3 to WARP3 CONNECT, but I
 RT> get the following error on running  "fpinst WARP3"

And I need the script for install it from the harddisk,
the files extracted from images with diunpack.exe.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Why is this?

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Lars Abrahamsson <=-

 JdBP> I'm working on the assumption that you've already run CHKDSK /F:2 on
 JdBP> this volume, by the way, and found no problems.  I don't know whether
 JdBP> CHKDSK fixes broken DBCS tables if it finds them, or not, though.  My
 JdBP> educated guess would be that it would, however.

Jon, chkdsk fixes anything, REALLY?!

I loose my HD, repartioned, formatted & download ALL again (less midis :), &:

[e:\] fst check -p g:
WARNING: FNODE 1916597 ("\image\wustl\j\jung-do.jpg"):
Contiguous runs of disk sectors

WARNING: FNODE 212705
("\midi\themes\classic\Ludwig_van_Beethoven\prs\besym6-1.mid"):
Contiguous runs of disk sectors

WARNING: FNODE 800638 ("\net\fixpak38br\xrbw038\xrbw038.2dk"):
Contiguous runs of disk sectors

WARNING: ALSEC 688168 ("\net\hobbes\apps\suite\so51_os2_01.exe"):
Contiguous runs of disk sectors

WARNING: ALSEC 688168 ("\net\hobbes\apps\suite\so51_os2_01.exe"):
Contiguous runs of disk sectors

And others errors more... Until I loose something more, I just loose mp3...

No, chkdsk dont fix anything, in my own experience.

Neither graham utilities & gammatech work, NOTHING fixes this!

I use OS2 only dont support linux, windows... else I could change...

Sure, this errors persist AFTER chkdsk /f:2 &... nothing.

Suggestions for fix this REALLY, are welcomed.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Need OS/2

 -=> Quoting Albert Sodyl to DARREN RYALL <=-

 AS> I just don't understand OS/2 at all right now, I've hardly even seen
 AS> how it looks like.

OS2 is nice for me, just the chkdsk dont fix nothing.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

 -=> Quoting Albert Sodyl to STEWART HONSBERGER <=-

 AS> He is not a friend, he is a local computer dealer in the
 AS> lowermainland. He is licensed to distribute software with your pc, I
 AS> repeat he is licensed. 

Really? I dont guess that... ;)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Ian Singer                                        27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Ian Singer <=-

 IS> In most cases, unless it is being specifically written for
 IS> you, you dont buy software, you only buy a licence to use
 IS> it. If you read a lot of agreements first of all you will
 IS> find that by opening the package you agree to their terms,
 IS> then you will find that you can not read their terms without
 IS> opening the package, then you will see that at any time they
 IS> consider the agreement to have been broken they can request
 IS> back all their software (originals and copies).

WoW! I dont have considered it, yet. Absurd. :/ :-(

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: config.sys

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Bryan Schwartz <=-

 BS> Once I moved this small text file to a floppy ( I never delete 
 BS> stuff since I almost always regret the deletion latter ) 

 RJT> It's quicker to just rename it to something else...

That's it. :)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

 -=> Quoting Cyrill Vakhneyev to Russell Tiedt <=-

 CV> Use latest kicker package. For example 1.39 or newer.

Well.. Here we go... I dont like to create disketes for install.

If I DIUNPACKed the *.?DK files then I install it how?

I had a script for install but I erase table partition accidentally. :)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Charles Gaefke to Christer Jacobsson <=-

 CG> Can someone tell me exactly where this page is?  I've heard about
 CG> NS 4.61  for OS/2 a couple times now.. but I'm not able to find it.

No problems for me. I have it, here. See:

25/08/99   4:45a      9,863,804           0  OS2EN46.EXE

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Will Honea                                        27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Beware of shoddy dea

 -=> Quoting Will Honea to Rich Wonneberger <=-

 WH> Not the ones I saw from Walmart - all they provided was a program to
 WH> copy the install data from the hard drive to floppies:  Too cheap to
 WH> even supply a CD!

I dont like this.

One problem with HD, diskete with bad block
on FAT & you dont have niet. :)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Bat Lang                                          27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Charles Gaefke <=-

 BL> http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/netscape/

 BL> I hope you have been following the technique for converting this dnld
 BL> into an ftp session. If not, and you are having problems with aborted
 BL> dnlds on the above site, holler back.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

My curiosity arisen... :)

Is possible to get file in real ftp sessions?

I say again, by nftp, ftpbrowser or like?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Murray Lesser                                     27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to All <=-

 ML> The following is copied from the IBM e-mail marketing newsletter
 ML> "WARP FM InfoFlash '99 # 6" dated Mon, 30 Aug 1999:

 ML> "Remember the new version of Netscape Communicator 4.6.1 we told you
 ML> about last month?  Free download of the beta version?  Well, it has
 ML> been refreshed, so if you got the original, you should get the
 ML> update. Have a look at
 ML> http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/netscape/" 

I like it, really. How to subscribe to IBM marketing to get these news?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Beware of shoddy deal

 -=> Quoting Jeffrey J. Counsil to Rich Wonneberger <=-

 JJC> Nope..  They had a program called "Disk Wizard"(win3.1) which you used
 JJC> to create the install diskettes for the pre-installed software.  The
 JJC> only disk that came with them was one "recovery/boot" diskette.  If you
 JJC> didn't make your diskettes and something happened, you were screwed.. 
 JJC> But then, buying a PB,  you get what you pay for..

Screwed too if had problem with hd & bad block ON the fat.

I like CD for this. Screwed? No problem, reinstall is a solution.
 
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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: George White                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: cdrewriter

 -=> Quoting George White to Peter Knapper <=-

 GW> Not suprisingly the designers of OS/2 considered it. As a result COM2
 GW> (IRQ3) has the highest priority on the system. OS/2 IRQ priority is:
 GW> 3,4,5,6,7,0,1,8,9/2,10,11,12,13,14,15
 
Anything be linked with the my modem USR 33k6 dont like COM1. :)

I had which open the machine, adjust the jumpers & it worked. :)

None problem since then.

Now I want a modem 56k, my modem 33k6 I buy in 1997.

& sure, it is VERY slow now... 14k4 is to 33k6 which 33k6 is to 56k. :)

I had a 14k4 too, very time ago. Buy in June/95 & crashed with storm.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Bat Lang                                          27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to paul marwick <=-

 BL> Please drop a note in here when it's ready. File Managers, Editors and
 BL> Viewers are of =more= than passing interest to me.
 
To me, too. MED 1.26 is available. I like very much. And you?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:22
  To: Louis Aubree                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

 -=> Quoting Louis Aubree to Jonathan De boyne poll <=-

 LA> I wrote elsewhere, a few months ago, that we need new symbols for the
 LA> powers of 1024, because the difference with the powers of 1000
 LA> becomes more and more intolerable, and 'k' (kilo), 'M' (mega), 'G'
 LA> (giga), 'T' (tera) are really defined as powers of 1000, not powers
 LA> of 1024. But I proposed 'ik', 'iM', 'iG', 'iT' as prefixes for the
 LA> powers of 1024...

I like very much about it.

I posted a msg on GUOS2BR about it months ago
& was said be a "purist".

The difference between 1000^3 & 1024^3 is very very big
is between 1000^4 & 1024^4 is a absurdity...

 LA> Is there any international effort about this?

Jargon file had a entry only about it & is said dont exist yet.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Paul Marwick                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting paul marwick to Andy Roberts <=-

 pm> I use quite a lot of log files and prefer that the viewer does not
 pm> start with word wrap on. I didn't find any way of changing the default
 pm> in the setup, but I did find the following in FC/2's .INI file:

 pm> ViewerWrap=off

No. It is not correct, entirely.

Press F2 (IN VIEWER) & Shift-F9 (not in viewer).

It is truly Object Oriented. ;)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: project

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to All <=-

 JdBP> OS2DOS Fidonet echo.  He is currently working on a project which he
 JdBP> believes will astonish 32-bit OS/2 users.

Is this a WIZ/2 ? :) I like very much WIZ, but
I would say, 32bit. :)

Your program WHICH is good but is dont but yet
dont is a "wiz".

Latest version of Wiz is 3.7, filename wiz37.zip
in ftp.cdrom.com, I think.

If you want, I search myself because I lost my HD
& wiz37.zip go away.

Search in big engines by "wiz37" would return
anything of worth.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Peyton Bay                                        27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: recovering chkdsk create

 -=> Quoting Peyton Bay to all <=-

 PB> into another directory with no problem but on subsequent chkdsk and/or
 PB> reboot they were once again put into a chkdsk (FOUNDxx) directory.
 PB> Perhaps some attribute needs to be (re)set? I'm Using Warp 4, fp9. 

Do not disagree with it. It ALWAYS is right. :)

Dont fix anything here, but is right, always...

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Power Point

 -=> Quoting Bryan Schwartz to All <=-

 BS> Is there a program that allows you to read Microsoft Power Point
 BS> (.AVI) files in OS/2?  I just want to read these things on the monitor,
 BS> not display them on the wall.

MainActor 2.06 beta would do the work, I think.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard <=-

 JS> I like k,m and g for the small ones, K,M, and G for the big ones...

I like that way, too.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Andy Roberts                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Bat Lang <=-

 AR> NS202.EXE

I have this.

 AR> OS2EN202.EXE

But this, no. How I get it?

 AR> It's not too late to switch to FC/2. <gd&r>

Hallelluja, brother! <BG>

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: faxworks

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to all <=-

 RJT> I happened to have installed the faxworks stuff from the bonus pack
 RJT> on to this machine way back when,  and didn't do anything with it for
 RJT> quite some time... 

It is prog absolutely useless for me. I want fax but isn't possible.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: help please?

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Dale A Cook <=-

 ET> I've a Matrox G200 8 MB AGP videocard and I'm very pleased with it.

I heard the "upper memory" of videocard is for textures.

In that form, 4MB (whitout textures) is equal 8MB (whit textures).

Is this real?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Stewart Honsberger <=-

 ET> I don't know Z!, is that a MP3 player? I've only seen VIO-programs
 ET> from Dink. 

Z! dont play this: mpeg 1.0 layer I, 64kbit/s, 48000 Hz.

The filename: Bach-Cello_Suite_No1_Courante.mp3

I dont remember where I downloaded this, probably someone ftp.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: George Fliger                                     27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: faxworks

 -=> Quoting George Fliger to Roy J. Tellason <=-

 GF> The Modem Voice settings are not really used since the Courier is not
 GF> a voice modem but the first settings under that heading do tell the
 GF> program to use US Robotics commands.

My modem is voice but I dont have any prog for voice modem.

Additionally:

Configuration Profile...

Product type           US/Canada Internal
Options                V32bis,V.FC,V.34+
Fax Options            Class 1/Class 2.0
Clock Freq             92.0Mhz
Eprom                  256k
Ram                    64k

EPROM date             2/13/96
DSP date               2/13/96

EPROM rev              2.0
DSP rev                2.0

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Mark Ellis                                        27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: Objects

 -=> Quoting Mark Ellis to All <=-

 ME> What is the use of the start.cmd as opposed to putting things in the
 ME> startup  folder?

I want to know this, too.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Adam Cameron                                      27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: win-os2 and AIM

 -=> Quoting Adam Cameron to George Fliger <=-

 AC> yes, I have the java version, but it is a bad cpu hog.

Java *is* a cpu hog.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: A BIG sort...

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Jack Stein <=-

 LE> JPSoft *did* make a counter offer of sorts. It was along the lines of
 LE> "Why don't we sit down and negotiate a royalty. We aren't greedy, but
 LE> we want *something* per copy." MS wasn't interested. 

JPSoft yet develop the 4OS2?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Andy Roberts <=-

 JS> F12: Create WPS-Object
 JS> /* Create Object */

This is not necessary, ALT-F6 creates objects on WPS. Very simple. :)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: long lines

 -=> Quoting Mark Ellis to Peter Knapper <=-

 PK> them here, the STARTUP Folder contains those items I ALWAYS want started,
 a
 PK> that dont have dependences with other items being started. 
 PK> My STARTUP.CMD contains items that I want Started in a particular order,
 an
 PK> only when other items exist first! Examples of this include drive
 ME> mappings 
 PK> across the Network and functions that MUST be performed in strict
sequence
 
Please folks, dont use long lines, it is impossible to read...

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 10:34:23
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 14:32:03
Subj: FP install

Hi people!

Please, help me with FP script install again.

HD formatted & my little script go to trash... :(~

It is same script posted for me before, it is simple. :)

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From: Sean Dennis                                       26-Sep-99 14:23:16
  To: Jan Danielsson                                    27-Sep-99 19:40:01
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Jan.

23 Sep 99 23:10, you wrote to me:

 JD>>    If I'm not wrong, you'll say that IBM never really supported
 JD>> OS/2. IBM will kill Linux. There's no chance there will be a new
 JD>> OS/2

 SD>> That would be a really damned stupid move on IBM's part to kill
 SD>> an open source OS.  Do you understand how Linux is designed?
 SD>> It's not a closed system like OS/2.  So, IBM can't kill off
 SD>> Linux.

 JD> Anyway, you haven't been reading the Usenet OS/2 newgroups, have you?

I used to read newsgroups in the late 80's, but with all the spam and crap, I
don't anymore.

<snip>

 JD>    So don't worry, I wasn't serious. I was just grouping together a
 JD> bunch of things I've read from the "Stardock says OS/2 is dead, so it
 JD> must be"-people.

 SD>> This isn't a flame, this is a fact.

 JD> I know, and it wasn't new to me. I just wasn't clear enough.


Sorry if I seemed mad or insulting.  Didn't mean it to come out that way if it 
did. <G>  It's just that everyone and their brother seems to be jumping on the 
Linux wagon (personally, I like UNIX, but that's another sadomasochistic story 
:).  OS/2 is only as dead as we, the users, let it be.

Later,
Sean

... "Love eternal/Lust infernal" -- Type O Negative
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From: Sean Dennis                                       26-Sep-99 14:25:20
  To: Frits Spieker                                     27-Sep-99 19:40:01
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Frits.

24 Sep 99 08:36, you wrote to me:

 CG>>> just plain doesn't cut it.  I use it for games and burning CDs.
 CG>>>     Everything else is OS/2.

 SD>> As soon as I get SCSI, I'll be burning CDs too. ;)

 FS> I can highly advise you to do so. Burning CD's under OS/2 is *very*
 FS> easy and you don't have to leave your machine "alone" out of fear that
 FS> your program will stop working correctly. You can surf the internet,
 FS> work in your WP of choice, whatever while OS/2 does it (multitasking)
 FS> thing.

Once I get back in school and can afford it, one will be installed... I am now 
getting very involved with my BBS and simply want a decent backup solution.

With all the data files associated with 15 networks, 80+ doors, 25 file areas
and 30 CDs online, I need something soon. ;)

Later,
Sean

... "Why do we crucify ourselves" -- Tori Amos
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         23-Sep-99 07:51:21
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     27-Sep-99 19:40:01
Subj: Virus?

 RT> What is the effect of the following virus on OS/2? 
 RT> [...]
 RT> I-Worm.PrettyPark
 RT>
 RT> Wonder how long it will take Micro-Sloth to fix Outlook and Outlook
 RT> Express so that their address books are secure?

It's not the address books that are the problem.  It's the whole design.

The category of viruses that propagate as attachments to mail messages will
have no effect on OS/2 Warp *whatsoever*.  

Windows clients may write the virus files to OS/2 machines used as LAN file
servers, and may attempt to destroy files residing on those servers, but
that's simply because the OS/2 file server (*any* file server) cannot
distinguish between file I/O operations that are the result of a virus program 
running from those that are the result of anything else.  OS/2 file servers
will not run the viruses themselves, and will not actively participate in
their propagation in any way.

The reason for this is simple.  Consider how such viruses operate.  They rely
on the fact that Microsoft's Office and Outlook products were designed to have 
macro facilities that operated in such a way that a document could cause the
automatic execution of a macro simply by its being loaded.  With the
integration of Microsoft's mail user agent and Microsoft's word-processor,
this leaves a huge gaping hole in security such that a mail message may have
embedded document content, and such content can include executable macros that 
the word-processor can be made to execute.  So what the viruses do is twofold. 
 They contain a macro, and an executable Win32 program sent as an attachment
that the macro causes to be run as if it were a normal program being run.

On OS/2 one isn't using Microsoft Outlook (or Outlook Express) to read mail in 
the first place, and so doesn't have the problem of Outlook "intelligently"
automatically handing mail messages in Word or HTML format over to the
word-processor or the web browser.  This is the first reason that OS/2 will be 
unaffected by this entire category of viruses.  Even if an OS/2 were to
receive a mail message containing such a virus, it won't be run by the mail
program.

Also, on OS/2 one cannot run the attached Win32 program that the macro would
try to execute.  It simply won't run at all, since it is a 32-bit Windows
program, not a 32-bit OS/2 program.  And it is the Win32 program that is
usually the propagating and infecting agent, with the main viral payload. 
This is the second reason that OS/2 will be completely unaffected by this
entire category of viruses.

It is interesting to note that many virus analysts now state (with varying
degrees of authority) that mail message viruses are now the most common form
of viruses, and are the main cause of updates to anti-virus packages.  If this 
is true, OS/2 users are sitting pretty.  Not only are there *no* OS/2 viruses
in the wild (and for various reasons OS/2 viruses are difficult to write), but 
OS/2 is immune from the now most popular form of virus found in the wild
because of IBM's decision not to support Win32.

  JdeBP 

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From: George White                                      25-Sep-99 10:39:08
  To: Murray Lesser                                     27-Sep-99 19:40:01
Subj: Character sets

Hi Murray,

On 14-Sep-99, Murray Lesser wrote to Leonard Erickson:


 ML> LE>Also, that uppercase/lower case distinction being on bit was
 ML> LE>important for programmers writing *tight* code. I used to use
 ML> LE>that single bit trick in programs back when 16k or DRAM cost
 ML> LE>several hundred dollars.

 ML> I wouldn't know.  My first "ASCII" computer was a fully-populated
 ML> CP/M machine (64K RAM), vintage 1979.  All my previous programming
 ML> experience was on either 6-bit or 8-bit machines, none of which
 ML> used any version of ASCII.  AFAIAC, the convenience of one-bit
 ML> differentiation between upper- and lower-case characters doesn't
 ML> make up for the inconvenience of dealing with the stupid ASCII
.....................^^^^^^^^^^^^^.....................^^^^^^

You _are_ being polite about it! I use _much_ stronger terms!!!

 ML> collating sequence (that interspersed the special characters
 ML> within the alphabetic characters.)

However the convenience of the single bit difference between upper and
lower case does exist, and I find the control characters between the
numeric and alphabetic parts of the ASCII sequence even more
irritating than the ones between the upper and lower case alphabetic
characters (after all I can always force the alphabetic characters to
upper case, for almost all collation I have had to implement that is
sufficient).




George

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       26-Sep-99 22:59:00
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     27-Sep-99 19:40:01
Subj: It's not quite over

Some senseless babbling from Murray Lesser to All
on 09-25-99  21:05 about It's not quite over...

 ML> Hi--

 ML> I have been a subscriber to IBM Internet Connection Services
 ML> (ibm.net) since Warp 3 was a pup.  As you may remember, IBM sold this
 ML> operation to AT&T last year for a mess of pottage and several other
 ML> considerations.  This morning, I downloaded an e-mail from ibm.net
 ML> discussing the changeover from my ibm.net account to an equivalent
 ML> AT&T account, which would take place starting Oct 1, this year. 
 ML> (Forwarding service will be available until Oct 1, 2000.)

 ML> It seems that ibm.net has classified me as a "consumer" customer
 ML> (which, in truth, I am), not as a "business" customer.  If I do
 ML> nothing about it, I will be transferred to AT&T's WorldNet services. 
 ML> The problem is that if I transfer to WorldNet, I can no longer have the
 ML> worldwide "roaming" capabilities I have enjoyed to date.  Worse, I can
 ML> not continue to use my IBM OS/2 dialer.  (Apparently, WorldNet
 ML> supplies dialers only for Windows and the Mac.)  According an excerpt
 ML> from the text of the message I received:

 ML> The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If
 ML> you are an OS/2 customer, please click here
 ML> http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer
 ML> of AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your
 ML> OS/2 dialer.  [Note:  I have no idea as to whether or not Injoy
 ML> can access WorldNet, nor do I care very much.]

FWIW, InJoy can use WorldNet, which I have it doing right now in my current 
plight of slow Internet connectivity (had a cable modem for two years up 
until a few months ago).

AT&T also has information on how to get OS/2's DOIP dialer to access 
WorldNet.  When I checked, there were two different bits on using OS/2 with 
WorldNet in their FAQ.

 ML> It appears that the newly constituted AT&T Business Internet
 ML> Services will provide "the technology" (and services available) of the
 ML> former IBM Internet Connection Services (prices not quoted).  I gather
 ML> that I must point my browser to the page mentioned before Oct 1, or I
 ML> will be swept automatically into WorldNet, which I will be unable to
 ML> access :-(.  (I will post further reports after I get home and can
 ML> attach to the Internet without paying the $0.10/minute surcharge for
 ML> 800-number access to ibm.net that I use when traveling in the US.  It
 ML> is usually cheaper for me to pay the 30-40 cents surcharge to pick up
 ML> my morning Fido and other e-mail than it is to pay the hotel the usual
 ML> $0.75-1.00 "local call" charge, even if I am in a locality that has
 ML> ibm.net access--assuming I don't fool around with Web sites!)

 ML> Comments from other users of ibm.net would be appreciated.

I used Advantis when I was still using Warp 3 (I first used a local ISP 
that had severe reliability problems - he used WinNT), but ditched it when 
I got a cable modem.

I looked at Advantis after moving here (a temporary stay), but decided 
against it because there was no unlimited access plan (that I could find), 
and 100 hours a month doesn't cut it for the amount of data I transfer.

I looked at a couple dozen ISP's, and settled on AT&T WorldNet for the 
$22/month unlimited plan, since an ISP of this size is more likely to 
resolve problems in a timely manner than smaller local ones.

In terms of worldwide access, I can't say I know anything about it.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... Big Brother doesn't like encrypted mail.

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From: Murray Lesser                                     27-Sep-99 10:06:00
  To: Jan Danielson                                     27-Sep-99 10:06:00
Subj: Character Set

Hi Jan--

    On 18 September, you sent me a netmail asking for an e-mail address
because you had questions about 6-bit character sets.  I replied on 19
September, by netmail, noting that my success rate with transatlantic
eastbound netmail was very poor.  Since I have received no reply from
you, I assume that my pessimistic prediction came to pass.  Please send
me your questions (which I assume are off-topic for this echo, as is
this post!) by netmail along with your e-mail address.  I will reply as
best I can by e-mail, assuming that I can straighten out the problems
associated with the switchover from IBM Internet Connection Services to
the AT&T version of the same internet service.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: David Randall                                     27-Sep-99 17:40:22
  To: K. Lindholm                                       28-Sep-99 01:18:20
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

K. Lindholm wrote in a message to All:

 KL> Since ibm.net has been sold to at&t I have a question.  I went
 KL> with ibm.net as an isp since they seemed the logical choice
 KL> for an OS/2 user.  I went to the download page of at&t
 KL> (directed to it by the notice from ibm.net) and looked to see
 KL> if there was an OS/2 version of their connection software.  If
 KL> there is something other than winX, or Mac software there I
 KL> cannot see it.  Is there a good ISP to be had out there that
 KL> supports OS/2?

The message sent out to ibm.net customers says you can use your OS/2 dialer if 
you opt for the business rather than consumer account.



                       
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From: Ian Moote                                         27-Sep-99 20:07:00
  To: RUSSELL TIEDT                                     28-Sep-99 04:45:27
Subj: Objects

ET> ET>> I recognize this only as a symptom of an ISA card, some old ISA
ET> ET>> cards can't address more than 16 MB RAM, especially old ISA
ET> ET>> SCSI-cards.
ET> RT>
ET> RT> Does this include Adaptec 1542B SCSI cards.

Yes. Take care and TTYL.

---
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From: Bob Wright                                        27-Sep-99 18:39:05
  To: Murray Lesser                                     28-Sep-99 04:45:27
Subj: It's not quite over

Greetings, Murray...

 Murray Lesser hastily said to All:

 ML> Hi--

 ML>     I have been a subscriber to IBM Internet Connection Services
 ML> (ibm.net) since Warp 3 was a pup.

After some backing and filling for about a year, so have I...  I guess you've
noticed the gradual removal of certain features, too.

(Used to be unlimited, now 100 hours; now have to pay for additional ID's
unless you started before 97 IIRC; now only one of the ID's -- parent or child 
-- can be signed on at a time; addition of "roaming" charges; etc.).

 ML>   As you may remember, IBM sold this
 ML> operation to AT&T last year for a mess of pottage and several other
 ML> considerations.

But mostly the pottage...

 ML>     It seems that ibm.net has classified me as a "consumer" customer
 ML> (which, in truth, I am), not as a "business" customer.

Odd... I didn't get classified as a "consumer" customer (although, in fact, I
am).   Everything in the letter I got refers to my ID being
"customer@attglobal.net" where it's now "customer@ibm.net".

I wonder if it's because my "parent" ID has 4 "children" (one wife, three
children to be precise <G>).

 ML>  If I do nothing  about it, I will be transferred to AT&T's WorldNet ML>
 ML> services.

No mention of Worldnet in my letter... I would probably be seriously checking
out the locals if it were, given what I've seen about Worldnet here and in
OS2INET.

Hmmm... just a second while I check the French part of the letter... not
there, either..

 ML>     It appears that the newly constituted AT&T Business Internet
 ML> Services will provide "the technology" (and services available) of the
 ML> former IBM Internet Connection Services (prices not quoted).

I would hope that the price wouldn't increase, since we're paying a premium
well above the local rate for 100 hours ($29.95 + tax vs $19.95 + tax CDN).
And Internet Direct (the new incarnation, I think) is advertising unlimited
access with 5 email ID's and web page space for $24.95....

 ML>     Comments from other users of ibm.net would be appreciated.

Done for now.  I'm going to check if I got another message as soon as I can
get connected.

        -- Bob

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From: Scott Jones                                       28-Sep-99 01:14:08
  To: Bat Lang                                          28-Sep-99 09:20:25
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

-=> Bat Lang wrote to All <=-


 BL>                                (emxrt 0.9d fix required!).
 BL>                               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 BL> Does anyone know where to obtain "emxrt 0.9d fix 2"??  FTP hopefully.
 BL> Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

The most recent copy of emxrt.zip on Hobbes is at that level.  It's to
be found in /pub/os2/dev/emx/v0.9d/emxrt.zip.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Scott Jones                                       28-Sep-99 01:36:11
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             28-Sep-99 09:20:25
Subj: Re: Norton AV

-=> Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Murray Lesser <=-


 ML> any potential OS/2 viruses, or are all the new viruses these days being
 ML> written for Win32 systems?

 RCB> I dont have absolute trust for which I encontered this: BackOrifice/2.

BackOrifice/2 is the OS/2 port of the BO client.  This allows people to
access a BO-infected Winbox using OS/2.  It does *not* allow others to
access an OS/2 machine via BackOrifice.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Bat Lang                                          27-Sep-99 18:25:19
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             28-Sep-99 09:20:25
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Bat Lang, [27 Sep 99  10:34:45] <=-

 BL> Please drop a note in here when it's ready. File Managers, Editors and
 BL> Viewers are of =more= than passing interest to me.

 RCB> To me, too. MED 1.26 is available. I like very much. And you?

I am not familiar with that app. What is it? If it is an editor, then I
should say that I have been a big supporter of Boxer (and tester) for
years, so that is my editor, both DOS and OS/2, and am very happy with
it both places.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          27-Sep-99 18:31:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             28-Sep-99 09:20:25
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Bat Lang, [27 Sep 99  10:34:45] <=-

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Charles Gaefke <=-

 BL> http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/netscape/

 BL> I hope you have been following the technique for converting this dnld
 BL> into an ftp session. If not, and you are having problems with aborted
 BL> dnlds on the above site, holler back.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

 RCB> My curiosity arisen... :)

 RCB> Is possible to get file in real ftp sessions?

Yessir!

 RCB> I say again, by nftp, ftpbrowser or like?

I can only speak from experience with NFTP, but yessir! Let me find that
post: (begging for indulgence from those to whom this is a repeat)

  Subj: Netscape Communicator
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
My last post in this thread was bemoaning the lack of a 'continue' or
'retry' when downloading large files from IBM via NSN 4.04. }^: At that
time I was trying to get Java RT 1.1.8, which I finally got after MANY
attempts, each of which would only offer me a Y/N option when it found
the aborted stub in my x:\DOWN\ dir.

The gnashing of teeth getting that file was as nothing compared to the
numerous aborts experienced trying to get the 8/11 refresh of NSC 4.61.
Last nite (really between 3 & 5am this morning) I must have initiated
ten dnlds, which aborted at various points, nothing bigger than 1926k of
a 9632k total. Then I noticed that the URL ('Location' line on the
"Saving Location" screen) at the top had a lovely "ftp" as the first
three char's. This made me slobber at the prospect of getting this thing
via my NFTP pgm, with it's 'Continue' capability. There have been hints
in here by folks that play their cards far too close to their vests to
be of any use to me. They banter about with names like "urlget" and REXX
scripts, which don't do much for this non-prog'r.

I tried to 'snip' that Location URL, but was unsuccessful. My mouse was
useless as regards 'marking' that URL. So I did a print screen, and
extracted it with the aid of a magnifier, assisted by the same magnifier
verifying tough to resolve items in that URL, particularly the ':' char.
Next I made an entry in my NFTP bookmark file, including my IBM username
and password. No Joy! I could reach the site, but it didn't like the
username and password that had taken me to that screen that had the two
filenames (OS2EN46S.EXE & PLUG30EN.EXE). Then I had a major lightstorm
(above my head). {^; Here's the URL that I had copied and was dorking
with:

"ftp://os2v46na:xxxxxxxx@198.17.57.81/OS2EN46S.EXE"
       ~~~~~~~~ ^^^^^^^^
The lightstorm was noting that each of those first two underlined groups
contained exactly 8 chars, and the first resembled the filename, whilst
the second (encoded above as x's) resembled a scrambled password (as in:
gazornenplatz). So, back in my NFTP bookmark file, I made that first
group the 'username' and the second group the password. Success. I was
now logged on to the ftp site, staring at an empty dir. Fortunately NFTP
has an F1 help screen that told me Sh-G would enable me to ask for
hidden files. So I typed in OS2EN46S.EXE and <Enter> and VIOLA! {^;
There is the files download screen asking me if I would like to
'Continue'. "Yes, thank you very much!" And up jumps my familiar NFTP
File Transfer Screen, showing me that it had indeed found the (by then)
5582kb stub (from my last and best attempt with NSN 4.04) from which it
blithely 'continued' without a single hitch, and I now have the whole
enchilada.  Whew!

Now, this may appear to the 'urlget' crowd a kindergarten primer, but to
me (and =hopefully= others) it was and IS a major breakthrough.
So if you are in the latter group, and have yet to dnld 4.61, apply the
above to your FTP client, and you'll be in fat city before you know it.
As SOON as that "Saving Location" screen pops up, do the <PrtScn>
routine before it aborts and leaves you with no clue.

If you do not yet have an FTP client, I recommend NFTP as a very user
friendly/yet capable candidate. Written by a savvy Russian prog'r in
Moscow. I also tried NcFTP, but found NFTP more than worth the $20 (I
think) registration. If you know *nix, you might prefer the former, but
would also not be insulted by the latter, IMHO. Tha...tha...tha...that's
all, folks.

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Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

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From: Charles Gaefke                                    26-Sep-99 12:52:15
  To: Sean Dennis                                       28-Sep-99 09:20:25
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

SD> As soon as I get SCSI, I'll be burning CDs too. ;)

    SCSI is too expensive for me.

    Period.


C. Gaefke
cdgaefke@earthlink.net
 


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From: Charles Gaefke                                    26-Sep-99 12:54:09
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Sep-99 09:20:25
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

LE> Not true. Caldera is still supporting DR-DOS. They made a new release
LE> only a few months back. And heck, CP/M is still out there.

    When I say DOS, I mean MS-DOS, since it is the most common flavour out 
there.

LE> DOS may well outlive all of us on this list!

    And you don't think OS/2 will?


C. Gaefke
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From: Charles Gaefke                                    27-Sep-99 23:40:12
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   28-Sep-99 09:20:25
Subj: Re: tcpip and \mptn

RJ> Yeah.  I remember doing some installs at a computer store earlier in the
ye
RJ> and listening to the incredible amount of disk activity that was going on
-
RJ> each "click" corresponding to another seek of the heads.  There's no way I 

RJ> consider something that works that way to be productive...

    What astounds me is how much IE slows the system down.

    It was -really- apparent on a 486/33 w/ 16 megs running 95.  It was 
actually cooking along pretty fast.  Until I installed IE4.  It now takes 
atleast 3 times as long to boot up.


C. Gaefke
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From: Andy Roberts                                      27-Sep-99 21:28:03
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             28-Sep-99 11:30:02
Subj: File Managers

 Rodrigo Cesar Banhara,

27-Sep-99 10:34:46, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: File Managers

 AR>> NS202.EXE

 RCB> I have this.

 AR>> OS2EN202.EXE

 RCB> But this, no. How I get it?

Are you sure you really want it, since it is very old, 24-Jun-97.
Netscape Navigator 2.02 for OS/2* Warp (National Language Version)
International version

If you really want it I can File Attach it ot E-Mail.

AFAIK this is the latest version 4.61b2
OS2EN46S.EXE   9861568   8-10-99
PLUG30EN.EXE   1654411   8-10-99

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Ian Moote                                         28-Sep-99 08:11:00
  To: BEN RITCHEY                                       28-Sep-99 11:30:02
Subj: Re^3: NC 4.61

BR> AH>> What do you think of 4.61? 
BR> JD> I am having problems printing tables which do not fit on a sungle
BR> JD> page. However, it seems that it only affects when printing with
BR>
BR> I don't have a graphics printer, however I save pages as .HTM and
BR> use HTMStrip utility to generate Text for printing, etc.

4.61? You use Netscape? You can save the pages directly in text format 
by simply changing the filename extension in the save windwo from .htm* 
(or .asp or whatever) to .txt. HTMStrip and similar utilities are handy, 
but I find that since I have to drop to a prompt to use most HTML 
strippers, this is a very convenient short-cut. Does a better job than 
some strippers as well.

Take care and TTYL.

---
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From: Frits Spieker                                     27-Sep-99 18:16:00
  To: Rob Basler                                        28-Sep-99 15:23:27
Subj: It's not over. Period.

Saturday September 25 1999: Hairs a mess and tie askew Rob Basler walked up to 
Frits Spieker and stated:

 RB> I read your post.  It's still an instance of chicken little syndrome.
 RB> Just look at the subject.  "It's over. Period." That's flamebait.

Well, if people don't have the mental capabilities to read any further than
the subject line, maybe they should get out of computing altogether? I admit
though, that it was "poor wording" ;-).

 RB> I'm glad you're happy with OS/2, so am I.

That's good to hear. I made a *very* conscious choice when I started using
OS/2 all those years ago. However, even if it is miles ahead of everything
else I have had to work with, it still is "just" an opsys. It is not nor will
it ever be the "Religion" that some of the (f)lamers try to make of it.

Grtz,
// Frits //

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  28-Sep-99 14:08:07
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             28-Sep-99 15:23:27
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

Hello Rodrigo!

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>> Use latest kicker package. For example 1.39 or newer.
 RB> Well.. Here we go... I dont like to create disketes for install.
 RB> If I DIUNPACKed the *.?DK files then I install it how?
    Yes.
    1) Unpack images in any temporary catalog
    2) Unpack latest CSF in same catalog
    3) Read documentation of CSF. Here's part of read.me from CSF 1.41
    4) Enjoy

 8< === Begin OS/2 Clipboard === >8
Section 9.  Setting Environment Variables

  There are several SET statements that set environment variables for the
  FixTool to use.  See the table below for a list of these variables and
  a description of what they do.

   Environment Variable              Usage
   -------------------------------   -----------------------------------
>   SET CSFUTILPATH=path              Allows you to run SERVICE or
                                     FSERVICE from your hard drive or
                                     from a redirected drive.

>   SET CSFCDROMDIR=path              Allows you to install a FixPak
                                     from a redirected drive or CD-ROM.
                                     All of the FixPak files should be
                                     in this path.  This path should NOT
                                     be pointing to a floppy (or virtual
                                     floppy) drive.

   SET REMOTE_INSTALL_STATE=0|1      If this variable is set to 0, then
                                     upon termination FixTool returns
                                     control to the calling process.

   SET CSFDRIVEAPPLY=d               Allows you to restrict service to
                                     products found only on drive d and
                                     on the boot drive.

|  SET CSFTIMESTAMP=1                Adds a timestamp to each line of the
|                                    SERVICE.LOG file.


 8< === End OS/2 Clipboard === >8

    It's example of fixpack applyin' script.

 8< === Begin OS/2 Clipboard === >8
/* REXX */
'@ECHO OFF'
PARSE SOURCE os2 type invocation
lastslash = LASTPOS('\',invocation)
path = SUBSTR(invocation,1,lastslash-1)
'set CSFUTILPATH='path
'set CSFCDROMDIR='path
path'\SERVICE.EXE'
 8< === End OS/2 Clipboard === >8

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  28-Sep-99 14:38:25
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             28-Sep-99 15:23:27
Subj: Rodent

Hello Rodrigo!

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to John Thompson:
 RB> My experience about the kill feature about that prog is: this is BAD.
    If you want real killer, use xf86sup.sys from XFree/2 and suitable
kill.exe. Kill -9 coming %)

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... Air conditioned environment - Do not open Windows.
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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   27-Sep-99 13:09:09
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    28-Sep-99 15:23:27
Subj: File Managers

On Thursday September 23 1999 at 00:33, Charles Gaefke wrote to Coridon
Henshaw:

 CH>> I think that depends on the outcome of the various MS antitrust suits.
 CH>> If gets hammered, WinXX could end up very much dead.  If MS gets off
 CH>> scot free even with another slap on the wrist, the Microsoft monopoly
 CH>> will grow explosively, likely in areas beyond the computing field.

 CG> As long as consumers are braindead and hop on the "latest release of
 CG> Windows is the best version of Windows" bandwagon, suit or no suit,
 CG> M$ is raking in money hand over fist with their Windows cash cow.

My definition of 'getting hammered' is a judgement along the lines of the AT&T 
breakup.  Billyboy won't be in a very good position to market WinWhatever if
his corporate fingers have been cut off.

Even forcing Billyboy to remove Exploder from Windows could be a bitter pill.  
Considering how deeply Exploder is integrated into Windows, it could take
years to produce a legally-compliant, Exploder-free operating system.

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   27-Sep-99 13:21:14
  To: Lee Lefler                                        28-Sep-99 15:23:27
Subj: It's not over yet

On Sunday September 26 1999 at 11:02, Lee Lefler wrote to Coridon Henshaw:

 > I think you over simplified things some.  It DOES matter what hardware
 > and software support is available.  How well is your server going
 > to support clients if you can't install up-to-date SCSI controllers or
 > NICs?

NICs and SCSI host adapters seem to be almost as well supported as ever.

 > And how long do you think Apache will be maintained if all of us home
 > users have to move on to something else?  I see an awful lot of
 > familiar names over in the Linux echo.

It's more a matter of porting each new version of Apache from Unix to OS/2,
rather than *maintaining* a native version.  The loss of an OS/2 market won't
hurt Apache whatsoever.


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From: Peter French                                      28-Sep-99 00:00:00
  To: Ian Moote                                         28-Sep-99 00:00:00
Subj: Re^3: NC 4.61

On 1999-09-28, Ian Moote wrote to BEN RITCHEY on message number 354;
    Hi Ian,
IM>
IM>                         You can save the pages directly in text format
IM> by simply changing the filename extension in the save windwo from .htm*

  Great tip - but I sure miss the ability to drag the page off the face (2.02)
onto a PMStripper Object for "intelligent" stripping of the HTML.  I find 4.61
faster at rendering and quite stable but I can't get over the feeling I'm
using
a WIN port rather than a native OS/2 product like I think 2.02 was.  I'm
grateful to IBM that I now have a browser that reports itself as "new"
allowing
me into sites that used to choke on a -3, but I'll be one of the first to move
to a native OS/2 browser if we ever see one.......

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From: Peter French                                      28-Sep-99 00:00:01
  To: Bat Lang                                          28-Sep-99 00:00:01
Subj: Netscape Communicator

On 1999-09-27, Bat Lang wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara on message number 349;
    Hi Bat,
BL>
BL> I tried to 'snip' that Location URL, but was unsuccessful. My mouse was
BL> useless as regards 'marking' that URL. So I did a print screen, and
  Get yourself the great little program DragText, then your mouse will just
drag
that FTP address right off the Saving Location window and dump it in the input
line of the FTP client - a bit of deleting and your in business! Don't you
just
love OS/2?
                                D r a g T e x t
                      The Drag and Drop Enabler for OS/2
                                 version 3.00
                      (C) Copyright R L Walsh 1994 - 1998
                          email:  rlwalsh@packet.net

                 DragText v3.0 puts the WPS where it belongs:
                             ->inside your apps<-
                 direct access to WPS objects from any program
                 http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/



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From: Sean Dennis                                       28-Sep-99 10:24:04
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    28-Sep-99 18:28:06
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Charles.

26 Sep 99 12:52, you wrote to me:

 SD>> As soon as I get SCSI, I'll be burning CDs too. ;)

 CG>     SCSI is too expensive for me.

 CG>     Period.

I wish I knew enough to write an IDE driver for the CD-RWs.  The author of
that CD program said if someone were to give him the code, he'd put it in
right away... then I could waltz down and pick a CD-RW for $150...

<sigh> Well, that's what I get for sticking to my guns with OS/2. :)  I'll
make do.  I'm not changing OSes for anything now.  Not with all the time and
effort (about 15,000+ man-hours over three years).

That's a rough estimate, but if I'm off, it still feels like it. :)

Later,
Sean

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From: Murray Lesser                                     27-Sep-99 20:56:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             27-Sep-99 20:56:00
Subj: Warpfm Newsletter

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-27-99, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Murray
Lesser.  Original topic: Netscape Navigator):

Hi Rodrigo--

 ML> The following is copied from the IBM e-mail marketing newsletter
 ML> "WARP FM InfoFlash '99 # 6" dated Mon, 30 Aug 1999:

RB>I like it, really. How to subscribe to IBM marketing to get these
  >news?

    Unfortunately, current copies of the e-mail newsletter tell only how
to "unsubscribe" - not how to subscribe.  But you might try the
following (copied from the most recent issue) 

    Back Issues of OS/2 WARP FM are available on-line at
    http:// www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/warpfm.
    
    For more information on the OS/2 Family of products see:
    http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp.


    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     28-Sep-99 19:27:01
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       28-Sep-99 19:27:01
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-26-99, Mike Ruskai to Murray Lesser)

Hi Mike--

 ML> The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If
 ML> you are an OS/2 customer, please click here
 ML> http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer
 ML> of AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your
 ML> OS/2 dialer.  [Note:  I have no idea as to whether or not Injoy
 ML> can access WorldNet, nor do I care very much.]

MR>FWIW, InJoy can use WorldNet, which I have it doing right now in my
  >current plight of slow Internet connectivity (had a cable modem for
  >two years up until a few months ago).

MR>AT&T also has information on how to get OS/2's DOIP dialer to access
  >WorldNet.  When I checked, there were two different bits on using
  >OS/2 with WorldNet in their FAQ.

MR>I used Advantis when I was still using Warp 3 (I first used a local
  >ISP that had severe reliability problems - he used WinNT), but
  >ditched it when I got a cable modem.

MR>I looked at Advantis after moving here (a temporary stay), but
  >decided against it because there was no unlimited access plan (that
  >I could find), and 100 hours a month doesn't cut it for the amount
  >of data I transfer.

    I have the opposite problem.  I use the internet almost solely for
e-mail and picking up this BBS, with a little FTP.  (I avoid the Web to
the extent possible.)  I use the ibm.net "Basic" service which is
$4.95/month for 3 hours, and don't use the entire three hours most
months.  Any overflow (usually from downloading software) costs me about
2 cents per 36 seconds or portion thereof.  As near as I can make out
from the e-mail communique from ibm.net, AT&T does not offer as cheap a
service, unless it is available through their Business Internet
Services.

MR>I looked at a couple dozen ISP's, and settled on AT&T WorldNet for
  >the $22/month unlimited plan, since an ISP of this size is more
  >likely to resolve problems in a timely manner than smaller local
  >ones.

    You would think so, wouldn't you.  The few times I tried Advantis
help desk, I ended up solving my own problems :-(.  However, they were
quite good about telling me when the system was down, and when it was
likely to be up again :-).

    Thanks for the response.  I'll keep Injoy in mind if all else fails.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     28-Sep-99 16:49:08
  To: All                                               28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: Faster with FP40

Hallo All,

I have a quite conventional system 486DX266 with 40MB memory and two 400MB IDE 
harddisks and WARP 3.0. Since installing FP40 from FP37 I noticed a 10 to 15%
performance increase for most applications.

Does somebody know what could have caused this increase??

Groeten, Jaap 
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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     28-Sep-99 17:12:11
  To: Bat Lang                                          28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: Java 1.1.8

Bat Lang wrote on 27 Sep 1999 at 18:31 to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara:


 BL>   Subj: Netscape Communicator
 BL> -------------------------------------------------------------------
 BL> ------ My last post in this thread was bemoaning the lack of a
 BL> 'continue' or 'retry' when downloading large files from IBM via NSN
 BL> 4.04. }^: At that time I was trying to get Java RT 1.1.8, which I
 BL> finally got after MANY attempts, each of which would only offer me
 BL> a Y/N option when it found the aborted stub in my x:\DOWN\ dir.
Hello sir.... How did you manage to install JAVA 1.1.8.
When I start FINSTALL and this asks for FISETUP it answers that the path I
entered has no source files. Which source files is FISETUP looking for??

Jaap 
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       27-Sep-99 15:36:00
  To: K. LINDHOLM                                       28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Some senseless babbling from K. Lindholm to All
on 09-25-99  07:54 about OS/2 friendly ISP...

 KL> * Crossposted in TEAMOS2
 KL> * Crossposted in OS2

 KL> Hello All!

 KL> Since ibm.net has been sold to at&t I have a question.  I went with
 KL> ibm.net as an isp since they seemed the logical choice for an OS/2
 KL> user.  I went to the download page of at&t (directed to it by the
 KL> notice from ibm.net) and looked to see if there was an OS/2 version of
 KL> their connection software.  If there is something other than winX, or
 KL> Mac software there I cannot see it.  Is there a good ISP to be had out
 KL> there that supports OS/2? 

AT&T doesn't give you a dialer, but it will work fine with the Dial Other 
Internet Providers dialer.  They have a section on alternate OS's, with a 
configuration file to download that works with OS/2.

I use InJoy with AT&T, and there are no problems with connectivity.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... Back off man...I'm a scientist.

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   27-Sep-99 06:40:22
  To: Frits Spieker                                     28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: It's over. Period.

;
In a msg of <Saturday September 25 1999>, Frits Spieker writes to Tobias
Ernst:
;
Frits,
 TE>> I don't know. What I do now is that there were also IBMers
 TE>> posting that the meeting Brad was talking about had not
 TE>> taken place because some of the importand attendees could
 TE>> not get there because of the Hurricane.

 FS> Nope. That were no IBM'rs, that was mr "The OS/2 guy" Martin
 FS> whose only purpose in life seems to be to hype his beloved Warp
 FS> city. And he of course was quoting anonymous sources.

Let's see... Tim Sipples, a well known IBMer said it.  Steven King, a less
well known IBMer said it at Warp Expo West.

Here's a exerpt from the os2.org site in Germany:

[start quote]

What's The Truth Behind 'The Meeting'?
Today is the first day of Warp Expo West and our reporters are sending in a
great many news stories. First, let's start with the very much publicized
meeting Brad Wardell claims to have taken place yesterday which is getting
much airplay today.

According to an IBM official attending Warp Expo West, no meeting took place
yesterday on the future status of OS/2. He should know, he sits on the
committee itself. On top of this he said IBM has ruled no third party entity
out of the running to offer a third party release of Warp 5.
[end quote]

Dan Casey, President of V.O.I.C.E. emailed both Sipples and King and posted
their replies on Usenet.  Were it ethical to do so, I would post them here for 
your perusal.  Essentially they both substantiate the fact that Brad's
comments were factually wrong.  Both were quite careful not to call Brad
Wardell a liar. *I* would not have been so careful!  In fact, after trying to
get support for 3 Stardock products I either own or have owned, I wouldn't
have been anywhere near as careful!

-[Steve]-

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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             26-Sep-99 01:22:08
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: MP3 setup

Hi there Cyrill!

Replying to a message of Cyrill Vakhneyev to Torsten Balle Koefoed:

 TK>> For MP3 encoding the best choice is BladeEncoder, which you'll find
 TK>> at http://bladeenc.home.ml.org/. There's also the old port of the
 TK>> Fraunhofer L3enc, but the sound quality does not match with
 TK>> BladeEncoder. I don't know if it's faster, though.

 CV>     BTW really thing is LAME for OS/2.

Yes, I just DL'ed it, but I haven't had time to test it.

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <torsten.balle.koefoed@writeme.com>

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Sep-99 16:30:28
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: Need OS/2

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Albert Sodyl:

 AS>> I just don't understand OS/2 at all right now, I've hardly even seen
 AS>> how it looks like.

 RCB> OS2 is nice for me, just the chkdsk dont fix nothing.

Correction - it doesn't fix everything, but it does fix most filesystem
errors. As a matter of fact, I've never encountered a filesystem error
that chkdsk wasn't able to fix.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Sep-99 16:34:05
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

26 Sep 99 12:54, Charles Gaefke wrote to Leonard Erickson:

 LE>> Not true. Caldera is still supporting DR-DOS. They made a new release
 LE>> only a few months back. And heck, CP/M is still out there.

 CG> When I say DOS, I mean MS-DOS, since it is the most common flavour 
 CG> out there.

You should clarify. Technically, Linux, OS/2, and Win32 are DOS's. "Disk
Operating System". {smile}

 LE>> DOS may well outlive all of us on this list!

 CG> And you don't think OS/2 will?

DOS is the lowest common denominator. Problem with your 32-bit OS? Boot
a DOS floppy to fix it.

DOS has been around in the PC world for a long time, and there'll likely
be remenants of it long into the future.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Sep-99 16:35:21
  To: David Randall                                     28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

27 Sep 99 17:40, David Randall wrote to K. Lindholm:

 DR> The message sent out to ibm.net customers says you can use your OS/2 
 DR> dialer if you opt for the business rather than consumer account.

Pardon?!?!

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Ray Hyder                                         28-Sep-99 20:37:00
  To: Rob Basler                                        29-Sep-99 01:00:16
Subj: OS/2 Support

 
 * Reply to a msg from Rob Basler @ 1:153/290 on 09-25-99        
 
 
 RB> Back in the Warp 3 days they did attempt to get people to use 
 RB> it, they also aggressively looked for preload agreements.  The 
 RB> MS trial in the states has had a lot of stories about how 
 RB> systems integraters were scared off preinstalling OS/2 by MS 
 RB> reps.  There was quite a bit of advertising for it in those 
 RB> days, both in trade mags and on TV of all things.  Why IBM 
 RB> decided to smother it, no one knows.  Some say that support cost 
 RB> too much, some say IBM did it to get a better preload deal for 
 RB> Windows 95, I don't know what is true. 
 
Easy answer!  Lack of corporate courage.  IBM lacked the balls to take on
MicroSoft in the consumer desktop market.  A REAL technology company would
have won the desktop in a heartbeat with OS/2.  At the time of Warp 3's
introduction OS/2 first level support was being sub-contracted to an outside
vendor.  Support costs could have been easily contained. A company the size of 
IBM could have taken Mr Gates into court over the preload issue and wrapped
MicroSoft around the proverbial axle for years. 
 
The truth is that IBM simply lacked the management gut's to carry a
technology forward that would put IBM on almost every desktop on the planet. 
Very sad...  - ray  
 
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From: Adam Cameron                                      28-Sep-99 15:54:29
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             29-Sep-99 01:00:16
Subj: Re: win-os2 and AIM

 .x%X[Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara from a message to Adam Cameron]X%x.

 -=> Quoting Adam Cameron to George Fliger <=-

 AC> yes, I have the java version, but it is a bad cpu hog.

 RCB> Java *is* a cpu hog.

yeah, me all know that =)

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   26-Sep-99 22:40:18
  To: Dan Egli                                          29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

 DE>  -=> Quoting Herbert Rosenau to Dan Egli <=-

 DE>> Ok all. How do I get my SoundBlaster AWE64 configured w/ Warp 4?

 DE> Where in zone 1 or on the Net can  I get this file?
 HR>> ----------------------------Abbeien-----------------------
 HR>> SB326411.ZIP 1763503 25.02.98  Sound Blaster Drivers SB 16,
 HR>> AWE32,
 HR>> AWE64 and Utilities v1.1  Here is Daniel

Try HOBBES, os2ss or dejanews to find it. Ask in your area.

The original name my contain some underscore in it. Here is the filename
shorten because binkley and a lot of other FIDO mailers doesn't accept other
than 8.3 names.

Or at least you my frequest it here. My node is 24h/7d online.

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   26-Sep-99 22:55:08
  To: Murray Lesser                                     29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: It's not quite over

 ML>     I have been a subscriber to IBM Internet Connection Services
 ML> (ibm.net) since Warp 3 was a pup.  

Me too.

 ML> As you may remember, IBM sold this operation to AT&T last year
 ML> for a mess of pottage and several other considerations. 

Yes - and now I have to find another provider.  beause the support of ibm.net
was alwasy not the best. I'd missing some services since years.

At least I was member of IBM.net because the name IBM.NET was a good address.
The new name is unknown to anybody in germany - so it would be called like AOL 
or other twit nets.

At least it will be cheaper to by for an own domain nanme, to pay EUR 0,02 per 
minute and have for that unlimited access, an own home page of 20 MB or more
without any advertsing banner.

ibm.net was mostly unavailable to send a complete download of files announced
on IBM.COM sides (such as VAJava (80 MB) and other.

So ibm.net will die for me in next few month.

At least the os/2 dilaler is unable to handle true ISDN - it can't accept more 
than COM PORT 1 - 5 - and my virtual ports are above them.

I'm using ISDNPM to have ip masquerade and full 64K access. The dialer win't
work correct - I have to dilal 2 times to become 1 time a connect. It is slow
- in comparsion to isdnpm.

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 09:33:04
  To: Francois Massonneau                               29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: Editor

Hello Francois,

24 Sep 99 22:07, Francois Massonneau wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

FM> A good one is KON. This is part of the doc file :

Thanks, a good reminder about KON. I'll look at it.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 09:37:25
  To: Paul Marwick                                      29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: Editor

Hello Paul,

25 Sep 99 08:34, paul marwick wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

pm> I'm suprised you couldn't find it. Anyhow, on its way...

I received it twice. One copy from you, one from someone else. :)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 10:36:19
  To: Murray Lesser                                     29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: It's not quite over

Hello Murray,

I'm not a subscriber to ibm.net,

25 Sep 99 21:05, Murray Lesser wrote to All:

ML> operation to AT&T last year for a mess of pottage and several other
ML> considerations.  This morning, I downloaded an e-mail from ibm.net
ML> discussing the changeover from my ibm.net account to an equivalent
ML> AT&T account, which would take place starting Oct 1, this year.

I think that with any dialer you should be able to connect to any internet
connection service (if you have the TCP/IP addresses and the domain names etc. 
all the data you need to fill in) ??

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 10:57:21
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: File Managers

Hello Charles,

23 Sep 99 00:33, Charles Gaefke wrote to Coridon Henshaw:

..........snip..........

CG> M$ fixes a couple hundred more bugs, and a year later releases Windows
CG> 98 2nd edition.

CG> When will people catch on.

It's better to ask when people will grow up.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 14:00:03
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

Hello Jonathan,

Just to butt in and just FYI:

23 Sep 99 07:51, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Darren Hamilton:

JP> this /N option is obviously to overcome a long-standing problem with
JP> both the DATE and TIME commands, namely that one cannot use them to
JP> just *display* the current date and time, without altering it, since
JP> they, in the absence of arguments giving a new date or time, prompt
JP> interactively for a new date or time.

I slapped a small REXX file together to display the date and time (without
prompt to change it):

------------------- begin of datetime.cmd -------------------
/* Day Date Time */
say date('W') date() Time()
-------------------- end of datetime.cmd --------------------

Great for batch / REXX files to stuff the date and time in logfiles.

Date('W') returns the day of week (in other words: sunday, monday, etc.).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Wes Newell                                        28-Sep-99 18:52:22
  To: K. Lindholm                                       29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

 KL> Since ibm.net has been sold to at&t I have a question.  
 KL> I went with ibm.net as
 KL> an isp since they seemed the logical choice for an OS/2 
 KL> user.  I went to the download page of at&t (directed to 
 KL> it by the notice from ibm.net) and looked to see if 
 KL> there was an OS/2 version of their connection software. 
 KL>  If there is something other than winX, or Mac software 
 KL> there I cannot see it.  Is there a good ISP to be had 
 KL> out there that supports OS/2?

Why does the ISP have to support OS/2? The OS you are running isn't what
connects you to the internet. I just now got my own account (since the one our 
company uses stopped allowing multiple logins). When I told them I was running 
OS/2, they said they didn't know how to set that up. I told them not to worry
and just me the the account info and I'd take care of it. He seemed a little
shocked. I had to tell him what I needed, but he did have all the info.:-)


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From: David Noon                                        27-Sep-99 19:03:02
  To: Murray Lesser                                     29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: It's not quite over

In a message dated 09-25-99, Murray Lesser said to All about "It's not quite
over"

Hi Murray,

ML>    I have been a subscriber to IBM Internet Connection Services
ML>(ibm.net) since Warp 3 was a pup.

As have I.

ML>As you may remember, IBM sold this
ML>operation to AT&T last year for a mess of pottage and several other
ML>considerations.

It was making a profit, so it was worth selling. [Business logic for the
90's]

ML>This morning, I downloaded an e-mail from ibm.net
ML>discussing the changeover from my ibm.net account to an equivalent AT&T
ML>account, which would take place starting Oct 1, this year.  (Forwarding
ML>service will be available until Oct 1, 2000.)

I received a similar e-mail.

ML>    It appears that the newly constituted AT&T Business Internet
ML>Services will provide "the technology" (and services available) of the
ML>former IBM Internet Connection Services (prices not quoted).  I gather
ML>that I must point my browser to the page mentioned before Oct 1, or I
ML>will be swept automatically into WorldNet, which I will be unable to
ML>access :-(.

I don't recall seeing that. However, I am billed through GBINET not USINET.
Since AT&T don't have a major presence in this country, it is likely that
GBINET customers will simply remain in the "business" domain. They have told
me that my new mail address will be:

    dwnoon@attglobal.net

which is a little different from the domain AT&T uses for its WorldNet (TM)
subscriptions (read: AIHU). So, I guess we non-Americans are treated with
marginally more respect than you Americans are by AT&T. [Lurkers: that's a
joke!] My main concern is that they are dropping the ibm.net forwarding
after 1st October 2000. This means that everybody who sends mail to me will
have to use the new address within 12 months. As a software author, I
provide support for my programs through this mailbox. It means that I now
have to change the documentation of the various programs I have distributed
and upload them once more to Pete Norloff's BBS, Hobbes, Leo, etc.

Given this overhead, I will likely change to some other ISP and use that
address as the new support mailbox. It also means that users of that
software will have to have:

   i)  contacted me in the interim to pick up the new address;
  ii)  have a newer copy of the software with the new address documented;
 iii)  work out for themselves what has changed.

Unless IBM is wanting to reuse the ibm.net domain -- and why would they? --
I cannot understand why AT&T insists on removing the forwarding after a
year. I guess their marketing guys felt that it reflected too accurately the
origins of the company's "professional quality" operation.

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
___
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watch.

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From: Ben Ritchey                                       28-Sep-99 20:42:08
  To: Ian Moote                                         29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: Re^4: NC 4.61

CHRS: IBMPC 2

* Ian Moote and Ben Ritchey ...

 BR>> I don't have a graphics printer, however I save pages as .HTM and
 BR>> use HTMStrip utility to generate Text for printing, etc.

 IM> 4.61? You use Netscape? You can save the pages directly in text format
 IM>  by simply changing the filename extension in the save windwo from
 IM> .htm* (or .asp or whatever) to .txt. HTMStrip and similar utilities

Tried it both ways, and I prefer the output from HtmStrip. Everything saves to 
a FAT-16 disk which I process later under DOS, my production OS. :)

    Be well,

      Ben    aka CMech  http://Positron.org/cmech/

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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             28-Sep-99 15:27:04
  To: All                                               29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: Nice OS/2 article at Byte

Hi there !

Take a look at:

http://www.byte.com/column/BYT19990920S0002

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <torsten.balle.koefoed@writeme.com>

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From: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 18:10:01
  To: Paul Marwick                                      29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: Editor

Paul Marwick wrote in a message to Eddy Thilleman:

 PM> Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Paul Marwick:

 ET> I would like this editor. I have searched for it with search engines
 ET> on internet, but couldn't find it. Can you send it to my email
 ET> address eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl? Thanks in advance.

 PM> I'm suprised you couldn't find it. Anyhow, on its way...

Paul, I assume you are speaking of the FED025s.zip editor?  I looked for it
too, with no luck, although I found a million copies of FED024.zip.  I took a
look at 024 and it has GREAT potential.  I like the work the guy did so far,
and like the REXX interface, although I haven't started to play with that yet, 
but, for a free editor, this one has a ton of potential, not too bad as it is. 

I was thinking of emailing the guy, but wanted to see if I could get my hands
on the latest version first.  If you can point me where to find it, or, send
it to me at:  jbstein@bellatlantic.net  I'd appreciate it.


                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 18:18:19
  To: Murray Lesser                                     29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: It's not quite over

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to All:

 ML>     It seems that ibm.net has classified me as a "consumer"
 ML> customer (which, in truth, I am), not as a "business"
 ML> customer.  If I do nothing about it, I will be transferred
 ML> to AT&T's WorldNet services.  The problem is that if I
 ML> transfer to WorldNet, I can no longer have the worldwide
 ML> "roaming" capabilities I have enjoyed to date.  Worse, I can
 ML> not continue to use my IBM OS/2 dialer.  (Apparently,
 ML> WorldNet supplies dialers only for Windows and the Mac.) 
 ML> According an excerpt from the text of the message I
 ML> received:

 ML>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2
 ML> dialer. 

Neither does anyone else on earth, far as I know, so what?

I was an AT&T net customer, my brother still is.  I used both the OS/2 dialer
and later the Injoy dialer.  I'm now a BellAtlantic.net customer, and like
everyone, they support whatever you have, as long as it's WIN.  What I did,
and most people do, is install their crap software in WIN95, then get all the
parameters you need and stick them in injoy or the dialer.  There is nothing
secret about connecting to an ISP, and just because the brain-dead guys
"supporting" WIN almost immediately hang up on you if you mention OS/2, it is
just not all that hard, and I'm amazed they try to make it that hard.

AT&T and Bell Atlantic were/are very nice ISP's far as I'm concerened.  I
never ever once got a busy signal, and certainly you can go anywhere you want
on the net, no restrictions that I know of.  I pay around $20 a month, little
less I think for unlimited ($150/mo) service.   I switched to Bell solely
because they had a local mumber.  Bottom line is you have to ignore everything 
they say about OS/2, they are all ignorant, including IBM.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 18:54:16
  To: Roger Nelson                                      29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: OS/2 Support

Roger Nelson wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> IBM never supported OS/2.  They developed it, but never attempted
 JS> to get anyone to actually use it.  When people used it anyway, they
 JS> were miffed, and when a lot started to use it, the aggresively
 JS> marketed against it.  About the only marketing IBM did with OS/2
 JS> was to kill it, before it killed MS. [...]

 RN> The only time I remember (correct me if I'm wrong) IBM
 RN> making an attempt at supporting OS/2 was when the December
 RN> '92 beta came out.  We had toll-free tech support then, but
 RN> that was the end of it.  After that came limited toll tech
 RN> support and you could get a contract with them for the tech
 RN> support -- if you could afford it.  It wasn't geared to the
 RN> average user, but the corporations. 

That's not even close to what I'm talking about with regards to "support" for
OS/2.  I could care less if IBM maintains a hot line for OS/2, it's almost
meaningless.  What I'm talking about is taking the $3 BILLION IBM spent on the 
dead, or soon to be dead LOTUS, and spend it getting OS/2 into the main
distribution system, insuring that developers had the software and support
needed to develope and distribute their applications.  

If you gave me $3 BILLION dollars to waste in 1993, I would have had at least
one of the major distributors of computers selling and supporting OS/2, right
damn next to WIN 3.1.  In less than a year, WIN would have been crushed as
useless junk, and everyone would have been running OS/2.  

IBM DID NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN!  

They made sure it didn't happen.  IBM NEVER wanted the masses to run anything
but WIN.  It was in their control, they simply did not want it to happen, and
it didn't.  Why they didn't is speculation, that they didn't is as obvious as
it gets in the business world.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 19:04:29
  To: Rob Basler                                        29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: OS/2 Support

Rob Basler wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

JS>Check out what they are running every where else in the
JS>bank, other than the ATM machine.  They run almost 100% MS
JS>OS's.

 RB> Oddly enough, my bank branch updated all their machines
 RB> about a year ago, they have 100% OS/2 warp desktops in the
 RB> branch.

Your bank is highly unusual I think.  

JS> ML>     IBM gave up on trying to sell OS/2 to the AIHU years
JS> ML> ago, as OS/2 became too complex for the couch-potato
JS> ML> mentality to handle.

JS>OS/2 is no more "complex" to use than WIN, in fact, it's easier 
JS>actually.

 RB> That's what I've always thought.  You sure spend a lot less
 RB> time "fixing" it.

Everything is easier with OS/2, including the installation, IF  IBM wanted to
make it easy to install.  They didn't want to do that, yet, it was still easy
for anyone knowledeable enough to get around the silly ass road blocks IBM put 
in the way.  At first I thought IBM was just stupid, but didn't take long to
realize the were not STUPID, they had a purpose, and it was to keep you from
using OS/2.

JS>IBM never supported OS/2.  They developed it, but never
JS>attempted to get anyone to actually use it.  When people
JS>used it anyway, they were miffed, and when a lot started to
JS>use it, the aggresively marketed against it.

 RB> Back in the Warp 3 days they did attempt to get people to
 RB> use it, they also aggressively looked for preload
 RB> agreements.  

Really?  Give me 3 BILLION and watch how many preload agreements I can get.
The pricks wouldn't even pre-load it on their own PC's.

 RB> The MS trial in the states has had a lot of stories about how 
 RB> systems integraters were scared off preinstalling OS/2 by MS 
 RB> reps.  There was quite a bit of advertising for it in those 
 RB> days, both in trade mags and on TV of all things.  

Sorry, I must have missed those days...  I was heavy into computing then too,
wonder how it slipped by me... Oh, the nun commercials, I remember those lame
ads, it was a waste of money if the objective was to promote OS/2.  They had
to stick a huge hunk of money up the ass of Gateway or Dell, bribe them, sue
them, torture them, send them hookers, What ever normal businessmen do when
they want a company to use a superior product.  Heck, you could get them to
use a horrible product with the right tacktics, if you know what I mean.

 RB> Why IBM decided to smother it, no one knows.  Some say that 
 RB> support cost too much, some say IBM did it to get a better 
 RB> preload deal for Windows 95, I don't know what is true.

I say it's because IBM, MicroSoft and INTEL have a huge cartel going for them, 
and they like it as it is, and have ZIFF-DAVIS and the DOJ helping them
maintain this sick relationship, and the consumer gets stuck with their junk.

JS>It's a bear trying to figure out what to buy.  I want to go to 
JS>best buy and just get one off the floor, like everyone else 
JS>does, but, alas, who knows if it'll run OS/2 correctly.

 RB> Go to a smaller place, custom pick your components, it isn't
 RB> that hard. The only tricky part is video card and printer,

And the sound card, and the mother-board/chip set, and the CD burner, and,
hell, I've been looking at this stuff, it's a mess.

 RB> you can't go too far wrong with much else.  Also have a look
 RB> at IBM's device driver page, and ask here if there is a
 RB> component you are unsure about.

I would have liked IBM to support OS/2 to the extent that retailers would have 
been fighting to get a "certified OS/2 ready" sticker on the equipment they
sell.  IBM didn't do it, didn't WANT to do it, or it would have happened.  You 
can only keep a far superior product down by standing on it in a competitive
market.  They didn't want to compete with MS, so they stood on it, with both
feet.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 19:24:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: OS/2 Support

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

JS>IBM never supported OS/2.  They developed it, but never attempted to
JS>get anyone to actually use it.  When people used it anyway, they
JS>were miffed, and when a lot started to use it, the aggresively
JS>marketed against it.  About the only marketing IBM did with OS/2 was
JS>to kill it, before it killed MS.

 HG> Well Jack, you're partly wrong. 

A very insignificant small part...

 HG> I vividly remember the
 HG> advertisements for Warp, both on CNN and other TV channels
 HG> as well as in the computer press and daily papers.

Advertising something no one sells is a waste of time, and the ad's were as
lame as they could get.  The ad farce was a farce, after all.  Why would
someone advertise a product that was sold almost no where, and the places it
was supposedly sold were almost always out of the product, even at major
releases, like WARP...

 HG> I've been using OS/2 since v2.1 and am still at it with Warp
 HG> 4. 

I've been using it since the October pre-release beta... What, 1991 I think. 
OS/2 has never disappointed me, IBM, MS and INTEL, along with ZIFF-DAVIS and
the DOJ are the theives that screwed the public big time.  I watched it all
happen, intently.

I also handed them an $18 million contract on a golden platter almost, and
they YAWNED!  Never bothered to even look into it.  Probably a lot more than
18 big ones on hind-sight.  No IBM did not WANT OS/2 to be used, ever, not for 
one day.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 19:33:21
  To: Steven Thompson                                   29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: It's over. Period.

Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> How about an alternative OS/2 OS?  Wouldn't that be neat?  Sort of the
 JS> OS/2 version of LINUX.  Oh, and never say never!

 ST> Something tells me that IBM wouldn't allow it...  Number
 ST> one, to run OS/2 programs, it would have to be licensed by
 ST> IBM, and also, you wouldn't be able to call it OS/2.  IBM
 ST> may not care about OS/2, but that doesn't mean they won't
 ST> protect their trademarks.

You heard of LINUX right?  AT&T owned that, lock stock and barrel, yet, Linus
managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?


                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 19:50:07
  To: Matthijs Dekker                                   29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: IBM going broke?

Matthijs Dekker wrote in a message to Bryan Schwartz:

 BS> So the real question for us OS/2 users is not "will there be a new OS/2 
 BS> client? " but in a few years time, "will there be an IBM?". 

 MD> Of course there will be an IBM. And hopefully there will
 MD> also still be a Microsoft. Would be a shame if IBM had to
 MD> throw away all their nice NT products, wouldn't it? :-)

Obviously, Brian is not an IBM stock holder....

 MD> I hope OS/2 will be around for many years to come.

It will, so will DOS and CP/M and, well you get the flick...  

 MD>  Everything I stated in this message is strictly my own
 MD> peronal view.) 

We wouldn't have it any other way...  Everything I say is my opinion as well,
and frankly, it ain't worth much.  Yours probably ain't worth much more than
mine either, but, what the heck, might as well write something while FIDO is
still breathing...
                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        27-Sep-99 19:55:21
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: Test Message

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to All:

 RW> I just converted this base to JAM
 RW> Am I still getting out OK??
 RW> Netmail reply please.

Forget it, costs me cash to send netmail..., can I email you instead?

                                              Jack 
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From: Charles Gaefke                                    28-Sep-99 21:37:14
  To: Coridon Henshaw                                   29-Sep-99 09:56:14
Subj: Re: File Managers

CH> Even forcing Billyboy to remove Exploder from Windows could be a bitter
pil
CH> Considering how deeply Exploder is integrated into Windows, it could take
y
CH> to produce a legally-compliant, Exploder-free operating system.

    Yup.  And it would screw his ideas with other software as well.

    For example, Visual Basic 6 -requires- that you have IE 4 or higher 
installed.

    I'd imagine Office 2000 does too.


C. Gaefke
cdgaefke@earthlink.net
 


... Have your dreams come true?

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From: Murray Lesser                                     29-Sep-99 23:59:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Sep-99 23:59:00
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-27-99, Eddy Thilleman to Murray
Lesser)

Hi Eddy--

ML> operation to AT&T last year for a mess of pottage and several other
ML> considerations.  This morning, I downloaded an e-mail from ibm.net
ML> discussing the changeover from my ibm.net account to an equivalent
ML> AT&T account, which would take place starting Oct 1, this year.

ET>I think that with any dialer you should be able to connect to any
  >internet connection service (if you have the TCP/IP addresses and
  >the domain names etc. all the data you need to fill in) ??

    The IBM Internet Dialer includes the TCP/IP addressing for ibm.net,
there is no provision for entering data yourself.  There is another IBM
OS/2 dialer (Dial Other Internet Providers) that requires you to enter
that stuff.  I'd rather not be bothered.  I registered for AT&T business
services this morning, so (theoretically) I don't have to worry about
this.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     30-Sep-99 00:01:01
  To: David Noon                                        30-Sep-99 00:01:01
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-27-99, David Noon to Murray Lesser)

Hi David--

ML>As you may remember, IBM sold this operation to AT&T last year for a
ML>mess of pottage and several other considerations.

ML>                           ... I downloaded an e-mail from ibm.net
ML>discussing the changeover from my ibm.net account to an equivalent
ML>AT&T account, which would take place starting Oct 1, this year. 
ML>(Forwarding service will be available until Oct 1, 2000.)

ML>    It appears that the newly constituted AT&T Business Internet
ML>Services will provide "the technology" (and services available) of
ML>the former IBM Internet Connection Services (prices not quoted).  I
ML>gather that I must point my browser to the page mentioned before Oct
ML>1, or I will be swept automatically into WorldNet, which I will be
ML>unable to access :-(.

    Back from a week at sea (the Straights of Georgia, between Vancouver
Island and the mainland) and two weeks touring California, I attempted
to reach the Web page advertised in the announcement.

    Please be advised that I use MR/2 ICE as an off-line Inet
reader/writer, and that I have WebEx set as the browser to use when I
"click" on a Web URL.  (I use the Web mainly for downloading software
that doesn't seem to be available otherwise, and I have found WebEx to
be most efficient at this task.)  However, it seems that WebEx is not
suitable for telling ibm.net that I don't want to be placed amongst the
AT&T AIHU WorldNet customers!

    WebEx gave me a pop-up to the effect that the site the server sent
me to was no longer in use, so it abandoned the link!  I spent about 20
minutes fussing around with the Web (using WebEx) to no avail (my usual
frustrating experience when I try to get information off the Web), just
going around in circles and unable to "link" from the ibm.net "home
page" to anything useful.  Then, it occurred to me to try NetScape 2.02.
When I entered the official URL (manually), the pop-up told me that I
was entering a "secured" area and did I want to continue.  After
punching "Y", I was asked for name, rank, and serial number, which I
supplied.  I was then told that I was now registered for AT&T Business
Internet Services, and that I had nothing further to do.

    We shall see come October 1.  If you get nothing from me by e-mail
shortly thereafter, it will mean that I have lost the Internet to
AT&T/IBM nonsense :-(.

    I guess such loss isn't necessarily permanent.  Several respondents
to my original post in this topic told me that it was possible to log on
to the AT&T AIHU network either from DOIP or Injoy, but none volunteered
as to how to do it.  (I was given the AT&T home-page URL, but wasn't
told how to reach it if I didn't have any internet service!)  But, there
is always one of the local ISPs, who offer great rates if I guarantee
never to wander from home (and, presumable, if I switch to Windows).

DN>Given this overhead, I will likely change to some other ISP and use
  >that address as the new support mailbox.

DN>Unless IBM is wanting to reuse the ibm.net domain -- and why would
  >they? -- I cannot understand why AT&T insists on removing the
  >forwarding after a year. I guess their marketing guys felt that it
  >reflected too accurately the origins of the company's "professional
  >quality" operation.

     Don't forget that AT&T is now being run by a person who didn't
quite make it to the top of the IBM peerage.

DM> * MR/2 2.25 #353 * Explain "counterclockwise" to someone with a
  >digital watch.

    I leave that as an exercise for the reader.  IIRC from freshman
physics, I think it can be done with the fingers of one hand, but I
don't remember which hand.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Bat Lang                                          28-Sep-99 14:50:15
  To: Murray Lesser                                     30-Sep-99 08:17:00
Subj: It's not quite over

 -=> Quoting Bob Wright to Murray Lesser, [27 Sep 99  18:39:10] <=-

 BW> Murray Lesser hastily said to All:

 ML>     I have been a subscriber to IBM Internet Connection Services
 ML> (ibm.net) since Warp 3 was a pup.

You may want to check into the Earthlink-Sprint combo. I received a very
attractive price quote (via one of my group insurance providers) of
15.95/mo and only $13.95 if you are already a user of Sprint long
distance services (which I am). Among the quoted features of this 'pkg'
are:
15 days free access
free 6mb personal webspace
24/7 toll-free tech support (prolly not OS/2 savvy?)
Fast, reliable email
No setup fees (for any members of that group ins.)
"More Local Access Numbers Than Any Other Provider (Nationwide...)"
Yada yada yada.

That's all I can tell you, since I didn't spring for it as I am
satisfied with my local ISP (Austin TX). The insurance provider, BTW, is
USAA. Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          28-Sep-99 22:33:29
  To: Jaap van.Veen                                     30-Sep-99 08:17:00
Subj: Java 1.1.8

 -=> Quoting Jaap van.Veen to Bat Lang, [28 Sep 99  17:12:22] <=-

 BL>   Subj: Netscape Communicator
 BL> -------------------------------------------------------------------
 BL> ------ My last post in this thread was bemoaning the lack of a
 BL> 'continue' or 'retry' when downloading large files from IBM via NSN
 BL> 4.04. }^: At that time I was trying to get Java RT 1.1.8, which I
 BL> finally got after MANY attempts, each of which would only offer me
 BL> a Y/N option when it found the aborted stub in my x:\DOWN\ dir.

 Jv> Hello sir.... How did you manage to install JAVA 1.1.8.
 Jv> When I start FINSTALL and this asks for FISETUP it answers that the
 Jv> path I entered has no source files. Which source files is FISETUP
 Jv> looking for??

I too had a difficult time getting from 1.1.7 to 1.1.8. Here is what I
finally did, (quoting from my earlier post here): Note: CFSys=Config.sys

>   Subj: Java RT 1.1.8
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> In my last post in this thread, I was having difficulty getting the
> install pgm to do much more than recognize the temporary directory where
> I expanded it (x:\down\c\.) as the installation. Leaving my x:\JAVA11\
> tree untouched. }^:
>
> After spending way too long getting nowhere, I finally wiped out my
> \JAVA11\ structure, and did a 'shoehorn' installation. My CFSys file
> indicated (in the three path statements) this tree:
>
> |
> +-JAVA11
> |  |-BIN
> |  +-DLL
> |
>
> So I created that tree, then put all the files from the downloaded
> archives dir: Package, into BIN, then the one with all the *.dll files
> into DLL, and with the files in EN, I added an EN to the above tree,
> as in:
>
> |
> +-JAVA11
> |  |-BIN
> |  |-DLL
> |  +-EN
>
> Finally, I made the distribution at the end of the README.EN to the
> \LANGUAGE\CODEPAGE\ & \OS2\DLL\ dirs (which BTW, showed no sign of any
> updates during the earlier difficult installations).
>
> Following that I removed the files in the temp dir above, rebooted, and
> ran both: Java -fullversion & syslevel. Both of these were as
> advertized, recognizing Java RT 1.1.8 in that new tree above.
> Subsequently, I zipped all the files in \\EN and my following reboots
> tell me that \\EN is now superflous and can be pruned. I didn't mess
> much with NSN 4.04, as I am about to install 4.61.
>
> What have I missed, and did I make any wrong moves so far??
> All I am wanting is the bare Run Time for Java 1.1.8. As for my CFSys
> file, here are the four lines having to do with JAVA:
>
> SET JRE_HOME=D:\JAVA11\
> LIBPATH=D:\CLU;D:\NETSKAP\PROGRAM;D:\JAVA11\DLL;
> SET PATH=D:\CLU;D:\MPTN\BIN;D:\NETSKAP\PROGRAM;D:\JAVA11\BIN;
> SET DPATH=D:\CLU;D:\MPTN;D:\OS2\APPS;D:\JAVA11\BIN;
>
> BTW, the three path lines have been trimmed for posting brevity.
>
> Thanks for any help/suggestions, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

As a result of that post, I receive no feedback at all, and have had no
reason to suspect that all is not well. If anything here is not clear to
you, sound off!  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          28-Sep-99 22:52:07
  To: Peter French                                      30-Sep-99 08:17:00
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Peter French to Bat Lang, [28 Sep 99  00:00:02] <=-

 PF> On 1999-09-27, Bat Lang wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara on message
 PF> number 349; Hi Bat,
 BL>
 BL> I tried to 'snip' that Location URL, but was unsuccessful. My mouse was
 BL> useless as regards 'marking' that URL. So I did a print screen, and

 PF> Get yourself the great little program DragText, then your mouse will
 PF> just drag that FTP address right off the Saving Location window and
 PF> dump it in the input line of the FTP client - a bit of deleting and
 PF> your in business! Don't you just love OS/2?

Yessir, I do!

 PF> D r a g T e x t
 PF> The Drag and Drop Enabler for OS/2
 PF> version 3.00
 PF> (C) Copyright R L Walsh 1994 - 1998
 PF> email:  rlwalsh@packet.net

 PF> DragText v3.0 puts the WPS where it belongs:
 PF> ->inside your apps<-
 PF> direct access to WPS objects from any program
 PF> http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/

Just for your effort, I'll put you onto: Hobbes
.                                        /pub/os2/util/wps/drgtxt31.zip

Much grass, Peter, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          28-Sep-99 22:58:21
  To: Jaap van.Veen                                     30-Sep-99 08:17:00
Subj: Faster with FP40

 -=> Quoting Jaap van.Veen to All, [28 Sep 99  16:49:17] <=-

 Jv> I have a quite conventional system 486DX266 with 40MB memory and two
 Jv> 400MB IDE harddisks and WARP 3.0. Since installing FP40 from FP37 I
 Jv> noticed a 10 to 15% performance increase for most applications.
 Jv> Does somebody know what could have caused this increase??

No, but I encountered a similar speedup with FP10 (in 4.0), particularly
in my VDM's which are my main man. I posted here at that time (24 Jul):

> BTW, these VDM sessions have been running about twice as fast as they
> were, ever since I applied FP10. YMMV. {^;

I don't recall any replies ref that remark, but I could have missed one.
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Paul Hildebrandt                                  28-Sep-99 23:06:12
  To: K. Lindholm                                       30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Hello K.!

25 Sep 99 07:54, K. Lindholm wrote to All:

 KL> Since ibm.net has been sold to at&t I have a question.  I went
 KL> with ibm.net as an isp since they seemed the logical choice for
 KL> an OS/2 user.  I went to the download page of at&t (directed to
 KL> it by the notice from ibm.net) and looked to see if there was an
 KL> OS/2 version of their connection software.  If there is something
 KL> other than winX, or Mac software there I cannot see it.  Is there
 KL> a good ISP to be had out there that supports OS/2?

I'm not sure where your located in zone 1. In Vancouver, I use Paralynx (used
to be Mindlink) and they had a few poeple on staff that actually knew how to
setup OS/2.

I'm a little confused about this at&t -> ibm.net changeover. How does the fial 
up account know which dialer you are using and why would it care? As long as
your dialer can send your username and password when needed and negociate a
tcpip protocol what difference does it make?

Paul

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From: Paul Hildebrandt                                  28-Sep-99 23:11:06
  To: Jaap van.Veen                                     30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: Faster with FP40

Hello Jaap!

28 Sep 99 16:49, Jaap van.Veen wrote to All:

 JvV> Hallo All,

 JvV> I have a quite conventional system 486DX266 with 40MB memory and
 JvV> two 400MB IDE harddisks and WARP 3.0. Since installing FP40 from
 JvV> FP37 I noticed a 10 to 15% performance increase for most
 JvV> applications.

 JvV> Does somebody know what could have caused this increase??

IBM's reason for releasing fixpacks is to increase performance and fix bugs.
Unlike MS which just releses a newer version and charges everyone for it.

If you meant what in the fixpack increased the performance I haven't the
slightest idea. I apply fixpacks as little as possible.

Paul

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From: Paul Hildebrandt                                  28-Sep-99 23:13:06
  To: All                                               30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: ibmgradd

Hello All!

Does any1 know if this has been upgraded in the last while?

My system is still stuck in 16 color mode because there's no OS/2 support for
the Voodoo 3 card.

Paul

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Sep-99 01:24:01
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: A BIG sort...

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Leonard Erickson <=-

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Jack Stein <=-
 
 LE> JPSoft *did* make a counter offer of sorts. It was along the lines of
 LE> "Why don't we sit down and negotiate a royalty. We aren't greedy, but
 LE> we want *something* per copy." MS wasn't interested. 

 RCB> JPSoft yet develop the 4OS2?

4OS2 has been available for years. I'm running it on this system.

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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   28-Sep-99 13:25:16
  To: Sean Dennis                                       30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: It's over. Period.

On Sunday September 26 1999 at 14:23, Sean Dennis wrote to Jan Danielsson:

 SD> OS/2 is only as dead as we, the users, let it be.

That's what they said about the Amiga...and the Commodore C64, the Apple II,
and the...

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  29-Sep-99 12:39:17
  To: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: MP3 setup

Hello Torsten!

26 Sep 99 01:22, Torsten Balle Koefoed wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>>     BTW really thing is LAME for OS/2.
 TK> Yes, I just DL'ed it, but I haven't had time to test it.
    There are 2 versions of LAME. One for OS/2 VIO and other for XFree/2. Be
careful.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  29-Sep-99 13:28:22
  To: Jaap Van Veen                                     30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: Java 1.1.8 and some useful info

Hello Jaap!

28 Sep 99 17:12, Jaap van Veen wrote to Bat Lang:
 JV> Hello sir.... How did you manage to install JAVA 1.1.8.
 JV> When I start FINSTALL and this asks for FISETUP it answers that the
 JV> path I entered has no source files. Which source files is FISETUP
 JV> looking for??
    It's message is result of incorrect FI installation. Fisetup couldn't set
up self as browser plugin.
    Find latest fisetup at IBM's site. Unpack in temp catalog. Other than
java's temp catalog of course.
    Another way of java's installation. Without Netscape.
    1) Got latest fisetup and install it with
        fisetup /nn
    2) Unpack java's archive with subdirs
    3) Now you see a lot of catalogues with NLS setups. Copy all files from
catalogue with needed language to java's distributive root.
    4) Find very "fat" file named java***.rsp. Where *** is java's version.
118
in your case. In this file you must replace all "\..\" (without quites) with
""
(without quotes) using any text editor with "search and replace" feature. File
Commander's one is good.
    5) Enter in command line
        clifi /a:b /r:java118.rsp
    And got "present" :) on desktop.
    Using this object you can install java's componets without Netscape.
Semi-manually :)
    This method is very useful for installation any product which contains
.RSP
files. IBM TCP/IP 4.1 with all features onto Warp 3 without LAN Server for
example.
    If you want deinstall products installed using this method you must do
next
steps:
    1) Open Connections->Drives->Your bootdrive->OS2->Install->Installed
Features.
    2) You can see one or more "presents".

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Murray Lesser                                     30-Sep-99 10:02:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        30-Sep-99 10:02:00
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-27-99, Jack Stein to Murray Lesser)

Hi Jack--

 ML>     It seems that ibm.net has classified me as a "consumer"
 ML> customer (which, in truth, I am), not as a "business"
 ML> customer.  If I do nothing about it, I will be transferred
 ML> to AT&T's WorldNet services.  The problem is that if I
 ML> transfer to WorldNet, I can no longer have the worldwide
 ML> "roaming" capabilities I have enjoyed to date.  Worse, I can
 ML> not continue to use my IBM OS/2 dialer.  (Apparently,
 ML> WorldNet supplies dialers only for Windows and the Mac.) 
 ML> According an excerpt from the text of the message I
 ML> received:

 ML>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2
 ML> dialer. 

JS>Neither does anyone else on earth, far as I know, so what?

    Haven't you heard of OS/2's DIALER.EXE?  Until tomorrow, DIALER.EXE
connects me directly to ibm.net, and all I have to tell it is what
telephone number to dial (depends on where I am).  Since (presumably) I
will have switched to AT&T's Business service, effective tomorrow, which
claims to have inherited all of ibm.net's "technology," it should still
switch me to AT&T's Business Internet Connection.  We shall see
tomorrow.

JS>I was an AT&T net customer, my brother still is.  I used both the
  >OS/2 dialer and later the Injoy dialer.  I'm now a BellAtlantic.net
  >customer, and like everyone, they support whatever you have, as
  >long as it's WIN.  What I did, and most people do, is install their
  >crap software in WIN95, then get all the parameters you need and
  >stick them in injoy or the dialer.  There is nothing secret about
  >connecting to an ISP, and just because the brain-dead guys
  >"supporting" WIN almost immediately hang up on you if you mention
  >OS/2, it is just not all that hard, and I'm amazed they try to make
  >it that hard.

    I don't do, and never have done, Windows.  I don't own a system that
runs run any version of Windows.  So your solution wouldn't work for me.

JS>AT&T and Bell Atlantic were/are very nice ISP's far as I'm
  >concerened.  I never ever once got a busy signal, and certainly you
  >can go anywhere you want on the net, no restrictions that I know
  >of.  I pay around $20 a month, little less I think for unlimited
  >($150/mo) service.   I switched to Bell solely because they had a
  >local mumber.  Bottom line is you have to ignore everything they say
  >about OS/2, they are all ignorant, including IBM.

    It isn't who you can reach from any ISP (AFAIK, once you are
connected to the Internet, you can reach any valid URL).  What is
important to me is where you can reach your ISP from.  Last week I was
in California.  Next month I will be in upstate NY (out of Bell Atlantic
territory) and the month after I will be in both Washington, DC, and
Cape Cod MA.  My system is a ThinkPad, and it goes with me wherever I
go.  Besides, Bell Atlantic is my local carrier (they gobbled up NYNEX)
and, deservedly, have the reputation of providing the worst service of
any of the "baby Bells."  I use them for nothing except local telephone
service (I have no choice) and wish to keep it that way.

    Besides, I have no need for unlimited Internet service.  I have been
paying ibm only $4.95/month for 3 hours per month, which is usually more
than sufficient.  If all goes well, I should get the same service at the
same rate after the switchover.  If not, I will consider my options at
that time.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
___
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                29-Sep-99 12:15:13
  To: Ray Hyder                                         01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

28 Sep 99 20:37, Ray Hyder wrote to Rob Basler:

 RH> The truth is that IBM simply lacked the management gut's to carry a 
 RH> technology forward that would put IBM on almost every desktop on the 
 RH> planet.  Very sad...  - ray  

The question is - would you *WANT* to run the "consumer OS"? Support and
applications aside - what happens when IBM starts to cater to the idiots
and add things like "active desktop" to OS/2, and/or integrate their web
browser? Or when they start concentrating on the pretties so much that
OS/2 starts to lose it's stability? Or when they release fixpacks on CD
bundled with a manual, a warranty card, and an $80 price tag?

I'm sorry, I'd much rather run the little guy. OS/2 is stable because
it's aimed at people who know what they're doing, not the general
populace. Co-incidentally, that's also why I like Linux so much.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                29-Sep-99 12:19:17
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's not quite over

27 Sep 99 18:18, Jack Stein wrote to Murray Lesser:

 ML>>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2
 ML>> dialer. 

 JS> Neither does anyone else on earth, far as I know, so what?

AFAIK, most ISP's don't even offer a Win'** dialer. They just include
scripts to automate the configuration process for Win'**'s "Dial-Up
Networking" (default dialer).

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                29-Sep-99 12:20:29
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

27 Sep 99 18:54, Jack Stein wrote to Roger Nelson:

 JS> They made sure it didn't happen.  IBM NEVER wanted the masses to run 
 JS> anything but WIN.  It was in their control, they simply did not want 
 JS> it to happen, and it didn't.  Why they didn't is speculation, that 
 JS> they didn't is as obvious as it gets in the business world.

{sigh} I thought talking out of your ass was decidedly "excessively
annoying behaviour" around here...

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

... Ahhhh yes, to do a battle of wits with the unarmed
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                29-Sep-99 12:22:11
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

27 Sep 99 19:33, Jack Stein wrote to Steven Thompson:

 JS> You heard of LINUX right?

No, but I have heard of Linux.

 JS> AT&T owned that, lock stock and barrel,

Interesting.. Linux has been an open source operating system right from
the start.

 JS> yet, Linus managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?

Hmm. Another interesting point.

Perhaps you should read this;

% From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
% Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
% Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
% Summary: small poll for my new operating system
% Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI%
% Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
% Organization: University of Helsinki
% 
% 
% Hello everybody out there using minix -
% 
% I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
% professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
% since april, and is starting to get ready.  I'd like any feedback on
% things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
% (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
% among other things). 
% 
% I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work. 
% This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
% I'd like to know what features most people would want.  Any suggestions
% are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
% 
%               Linus (torvalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi)
% 
% PS.  Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs. 
% It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
% will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(. 

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From: Darren Hamilton                                   29-Sep-99 15:50:00
  To: Peter French                                      01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Netscape Communicator

On 09-28-1999, Peter French wrote to Bat Lang about Netscape
Communicator.

PF> On 1999-09-27, Bat Lang wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara on message
PF> number 349;
PF>     Hi Bat,
PF> BL>
PF> BL> I tried to 'snip' that Location URL, but was unsuccessful. My mouse
was
PF> BL> useless as regards 'marking' that URL. So I did a print screen, and
PF>   Get yourself the great little program DragText, then your 
PF> mouse will just drag
PF> that FTP address right off the Saving Location window and dump it
PF> in the input line of the FTP client - a bit of deleting and your in 
PF> business! Don't you just love OS/2?
PF>                                 D r a g T e x t
PF>                       The Drag and Drop Enabler for OS/2
PF>                                  version 3.00
PF>                       (C) Copyright R L Walsh 1994 - 1998
PF>                           email:  rlwalsh@packet.net


Hello Peter;

There is an updated version of DragText.

DragText v3.1 is a distinctly different Desktop
enhancement for OS/2 Warp.  Present in almost
every program but invisible until needed, DT
lets you handle text as an object using drag
and drop, access WPS objects directly from any
program, and more.  v3.1 adds pickup & drop for
text, better access to WPS objects, improved
text handling, & enhancements to its WPS classes,
DTProgram and DTClip.  DragText's Basic features
(d&d text and DTProgram) are free;  its Extended
features cost only $20(US).

Archive File: drgtxt31.zip

Regards,

Darren

Internet e-mail: darrenah@interchange.ubc.ca

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 09:32:12
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Why is this?

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> IBM's online webpage for fixpacks to check what's the newest
ET>> version for you.

RB> What the address?! :)

Sorry, I don't have the www address for the fixpack pages.

RB> I have problems for instal fixpak, again.

What hardware do you have?

I don't have all the answers, but others here can jump in too.

RB> Loose HD, then... download all again &
RB> searching/thinking/remembering...

Can you get or buy a cdrom with the fixpacks, so you don't have to download
the fixpacks again and again and again? That's a lot cheaper and a lot faster
than downloading the fixpacks over and over again.

RB> Without 1k of script make 26000k absolutely no useful. (fp38br)

Do you have problems connecting to your ISP or to other computers with a modem 
in general?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 09:43:04
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: File Managers

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> I don't know Z!, is that a MP3 player? I've only seen
ET>> VIO-programs from Dink.

RB> Z! dont play this: mpeg 1.0 layer I, 64kbit/s, 48000 Hz.

RB> The filename: Bach-Cello_Suite_No1_Courante.mp3

How big is this file?

RB> I dont remember where I downloaded this, probably someone ftp.

I don't know, maybe I can search for it if I have time.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 09:54:16
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Roy,

26 Sep 99 14:36, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Steven Thompson:

RT> sufficient interest in such a thing to have enough people get involved
RT> in the effort to bring it about.

I would be interested.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... Felines... nothing more than felines...
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 10:06:00
  To: K. Lindholm                                       01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Hello K.,

25 Sep 99 07:54, K. Lindholm wrote to All:

KL> their connection software.  If there is something other than winX, or
KL> Mac software there I cannot see it.  Is there a good ISP to be had out
KL> there that supports OS/2?

My ISP supplied me with the TCP/IP addresses, domain names etc. to fill in. I
use Injoy as my dialer. I have no problems connecting to my ISP. They even
have settings files (with all the data needed to fill in) for every operating
system, including OS/2.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... My twit file runneth over.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 10:30:09
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:

RB> I had a script for install but I erase table partition accidentally.
RB> :)

What's 'table partition'? Or do you mean you erased the partition table? That
would be dramatic I think. But if nothing is written to this harddisk since
then, I can recover the partition table. But sending your harddisk is ofcourse 
out of the question.

I install fixpacks only from a cdrom from Mensys, I know nothing about
installing fixpacks, I just start a REXX script on this cdrom and I only have
to choose which fixpack for which OS/2 version to install and the REXX script
takes care of the rest, no floppies involved, everything is installed directly 
from the cdrom. I think BMT Micro has also such cdroms, you can check that out 
on www.bmtmicro.com for example.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 10:38:25
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Bat Lang:

RB> Is possible to get file in real ftp sessions?

RB> I say again, by nftp, ftpbrowser or like?

I use wget to get files from internet, HTML- or other files, http:// or ftp,
doesn't matter, wget gets it all. I posted messages with my REXX script in
OS2REXX. Wget is only command-line driven (so it's perfect for batch- /
REXX-files). Wget is free GNU software.

From wget's file_id.diz file:
GNU WGET 1.5.3               OS/2 binaries
------------------------------------------
Full-featured utility to retrieve files
from the World Wide Web using HTTP and FTP

I don't remember where I got wget from, but I think you can find it on hobbes.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 11:12:29
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: File Managers

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Bat Lang:

 BL>> Please drop a note in here when it's ready. File Managers,
 BL>> Editors and Viewers are of =more= than passing interest to me.

 RB> To me, too. MED 1.26 is available. I like very much. And you?

I don't know this MED, what program is it and what do you like it for?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 11:20:02
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: long lines

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to All:

RB> Please folks, dont use long lines, it is impossible to read...

Doesn't your message reader wrap the lines? It's supposed to wrap the lines. I 
run my message reader in a windowed OS/2 session with a text mode screen with
49 lines and 105 columns. Without pushing the Enter key, my reader wraps the
lines, so everything is readable nicely, in whatever text mode my message
reader is running. So if I start my message reader in a text mode with another 
size, all lines in all messages are wrapped accordingly, including my own
messages. I never have the problem that I have to scroll sideways to read the
rest of the line.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 11:32:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: help please?

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> I've a Matrox G200 8 MB AGP videocard and I'm very pleased with
ET>> it.

RB> I heard the "upper memory" of videocard is for textures.

RB> In that form, 4MB (whitout textures) is equal 8MB (whit textures).

RB> Is this real?

Well, I think this videocard uses whatever amount of memory is needed for the
display with the actual amount of video memory as the upper limit (the higher
the resolution the more video memory is needed, the more colors are used the
more video memory is needed), the rest of the video memory can be used to
store things like textures etc. My video card has 8 MB video memory, I could
expand that to 16 MB if I needed to. But 8 MB is sufficient for 1280 x 1024
with 32-bits color-depth.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 11:39:16
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Need OS/2

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Albert Sodyl:

RB> OS2 is nice for me, just the chkdsk dont fix nothing.

There can be numerous causes for this.

Checkdisk (chkdsk.exe) is some time ago replaced by a newer version (32-bit
IIRC). Do you have the new version?

If you do have HPFS partitions, check your config.sys:

IFS=D:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:xxxx /CRECL:x /AUTOCHECK:xxxxxx

(you should replace the xxx's with whatever value you need)

D: is my boot partition. Check if the /AUTOCHECK: parameter is present and
lists all the HPFS-partitions you have, it needs to have all the
HPFS-partitions.

What harddisks do you have? Brand? SCSI? IDE? Capacity? Which year is your
BIOS made?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Jan van der Heide                                 28-Sep-99 07:19:08
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

Some time ago a REXX repair script was given to fix a problem in which the
setting for the DESKTOP could not be found during boot.
A friend of mine encounters this problem that when he boots up ends with an
OS/2 command prompt and an error message about not being able to find the
desktop.
Where can I find this REXX script or can somebody repost it? TIA 

Gegroet, Jan
Holland User Group OS/2, Team OS/2 NL, Certified Systems Expert OS/2 Warp 
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Sep-99 16:08:28
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Editor

Jack Stein wrote in a message to Paul Marwick:

 PM> I'm suprised you couldn't find it. Anyhow, on its way...

 JS> Paul, I assume you are speaking of the FED025s.zip editor? I 
 JS> looked for it too, with no luck, although I found a million 
 JS> copies of FED024.zip.  I took a look at 024 and it has GREAT 
 JS> potential.  I like the work the guy did so far, and like the 
 JS> REXX interface, although I haven't started to play with that 
 JS> yet, but, for a free editor, this one has a ton of potential, 
 JS> not too bad as it is.  I was thinking of emailing the guy, but 
 JS> wanted to see if I could get my hands on the latest version 
 JS> first.  If you can point me where to find it, or, send it to me 
 JS> at:  jbstein@bellatlantic.net I'd appreciate it.

Jack,  if you haven't got it by the time you read this you can pick it up
here,  either via freq or by way of the fileserv.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Sep-99 16:12:24
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Jack Stein wrote in a message to Steven Thompson:

 JS> Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> How about an alternative OS/2 OS?  Wouldn't that be neat?  Sort of the
 JS> OS/2 version of LINUX.  Oh, and never say never!

 ST> Something tells me that IBM wouldn't allow it...

Not that they would have a choice in the matter.

 ST> Number one, to run OS/2 programs, it would have to be licensed 
 ST> by IBM, 

No.

 ST> and also, you wouldn't be able to call it OS/2. 

No,  you would't,  but you could refer to OS/2 as long as you acknowledge
IBM's ownership of that trademark.

 ST> IBM may not care about OS/2, but that doesn't mean they won't
 ST> protect their trademarks.

Right.  But that doesn't mean that this can't be done.

 JS> You heard of LINUX right?  AT&T owned that, lock stock and 
 JS> barrel, 

No.  AT&T owned _unix_,  which is not at all the same thing.

 JS> yet, Linus managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?

Yeah he did.  Which is why I don't see a problem with the same thing happening 
with OS/2.  All it needs is enough technically competent people to put the
effort in.  Whether _that_ will happen is another question entirely,  though.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Sep-99 15:57:13
  To: Bat Lang                                          01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Bat Lang wrote in a message to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara:

 BL> The gnashing of teeth getting that file was as nothing compared 
 BL> to the numerous aborts experienced trying to get the 8/11 
 BL> refresh of NSC 4.61. Last nite (really between 3 & 5am this 
 BL> morning) I must have initiated ten dnlds, which aborted at 
 BL> various points, nothing bigger than 1926k of a 9632k total. 
 BL> Then I noticed that the URL ('Location' line on the "Saving 
 BL> Location" screen) at the top had a lovely "ftp" as the first 
 BL> three char's. This made me slobber at the prospect of getting 
 BL> this thing via my NFTP pgm, with it's 'Continue' capability. 
 BL> There have been hints in here by folks that play their cards 
 BL> far too close to their vests to be of any use to me. They 
 BL> banter about with names like "urlget" and REXX scripts, which 
 BL> don't do much for this non-prog'r.

I have this file here that may be what you refer to:

GETURL.ZIP    127234 03-07-96  [    ] GetURL 1.0 for retrieving URL-specified
                               files from the Internet. Supports HTTP, FTP,
                               NNTP, GOPHER, and Local File Transfers.

Or maybe this would be of some help:

URLGET09.ZIP    5675 04-02-97  [    ] A Rexx script that scans text files for
                               URLs, creating URL objects in a folder on your
                               desktop.


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Sep-99 14:49:23
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Sales

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 SH> know that IBM was forced into that. They were given a choice - 
 SH> just hours (NOT days) before the release of Win'95 (not an 
 SH> acronym, BTW). If they wanted to be able to bundle it with 
 SH> their machines, they had to quit MARKETING OS/2. Not "pull the 
 SH> plug" on it, but stop marketing it.

If they wanted to bundle it at all,  or if they wanted to get a good price?

This is interesting,  and the first that I've heard of this.  Where did you
come by this info?

<...>

 SH> They're aiming for the corporate market, where Microsoft 
 SH> doesn't have the large death grip on the market.

This was my impression as well,  that they are more interested in dealing with 
clients that are going to be medium to large sized businesses without taking
on all of the hassles involved in dealing with SOHO end users.

<...>

 JS> making sure retail stores have copies of OS/2 to sell,

 SH> What are they supposed to do, go the way of Microsoft and force 
 SH> them to shelve it? I've talked to computer store 
 SH> owners/managers, and if they don't say "OS-what?" they tell me 
 SH> stories that go something like "I got a case of 100 copies of 
 SH> Warp, and 6 months later returned 98 copies to IBM", "I tried 
 SH> to sell Warp, but people went straight to the Microsoft 
 SH> section", "Nobody has shown any interest in OS/2" ...

This reminds me of a visit I paid yesterday to a local computer store.  All of 
their scanner stuff was parallel-port interface,  and all of their cd burners
were IDE.  When I asked about SCSI I was told that they didn't carry _any_
SCSI stuff at all (and in a tone that suggested that they also wouldn't be
interested in selling me any if that's what I wanted to buy) and given the
excuse that it was "because the prices fluctuate too much"!

<...>

 SH>> I hope you're taken to court for libel.

 JS> IBM would not stand a chance, unless they used theirmoney, power and 
 JS> influence to stack the deck.

 SH> What I was trying to tell you is that you're either incredibly 
 SH> uninformed, or incredibly stupid.

I hope that messages in this echo can refrain from such personal attacks, 
regardless of how strongly you feel about things.  I certainly won't continue
any threads involving such (and that's _all_ I have to say on the subject).

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Sep-99 16:43:21
  To: all                                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: system clock?

At one point here I had the "system clock" showing up on the desktop.  Not
only is it not there any more,  but I can't even seem to find an icon in the
current setup to access it!

Can somebody point me to the right file here (Warp Connect),  and suggest what 
I'd need to do to re-create the icon in its default location?

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       29-Sep-99 13:01:00
  To: CORIDON HENSHAW                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Some senseless babbling from Coridon Henshaw to Sean Dennis
on 09-28-99  13:25 about It's over. Period....

 CH> On Sunday September 26 1999 at 14:23, Sean Dennis wrote to Jan
 CH> Danielsson: 
 SD> OS/2 is only as dead as we, the users, let it be.

 CH> That's what they said about the Amiga...and the Commodore C64, the
 CH> Apple II, and the...

All bad examples.  Each one of those is a type of hardware.  OS/2 is not
bound to old hardware.  As long as x86 chips are made, OS/2 will run on
them.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Garth Ramsay                                      29-Sep-99 08:57:23
  To: ALL                                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

* Copied from: OS2HW

Need some help with this one....


I just purchased a Logitech M-S48... 3 button mouse + scroll wheel
no drivers available from Logitech (that I could find).

Using the stock mouse driver all runs fine but no scrollwheel support.
I've gotten used to this mouse at work and like it for the net....

I downloaded the file below and installed it and boom... system
crashes...

The download file is scrollms.exe file size 95109

the mouse.sys file included in this is 23721 file date 4.29.99

Running warp 4, fixpack 11

Aopen AX6BC motherboard, 128mb PC100 ram, Intel Celeron 300A cpu

Matrox G200 video card...   So far works fine... ;->


After installing this driver using the install routine when I reboot
my computer the workplace shell starts to load and just hangs..
After the screen goes from the default blue background to my colour
choice but before the desktop loads IE: no Icons...
I hear a single beep..
The "wait I'm busy" clock comes up...
I can move it around with the mouse...
Therefore the mouse is loading but...
it doesn't go any further...
I'm left looking at an empty screen.

The worst part is I'm forced to do a complete reinstall after...
No error messages no nothing (that I could find).

I can boot to command line and this works but it appears as though
my desktop is blown up...

It all appears to be video related but...
If I replace the new mouse.sys with the old one the problem continues.
if I boot to a standard VGA it still happens.

I'm slowly pulling out what little hair I have left.

Help... I'm wheel-less in Canada.



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From: Bat Lang                                          29-Sep-99 15:41:19
  To: Paul Marwick                                      01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Editor

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Paul Marwick, [27 Sep 99  18:10:03] <=-

 JS> Paul, I assume you are speaking of the FED025s.zip editor?  I looked
 JS> If you can point me where to find it, or, send
 JS> it to me at:  jbstein@bellatlantic.net  I'd appreciate it.

Ditto, PM. Bat@ccsi.com (not as below, which won't handle file atch's
without a bunch of 'massaging' }^: (just your average uucp gateway).
Thanks, mate, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          29-Sep-99 16:26:02
  To: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Nice OS/2 article at Byte

 -=> Quoting Torsten Balle Koefoed to All, [28 Sep 99  15:27:08] <=-

 TBK> Hi there !

 TBK> Take a look at:

 TBK> http://www.byte.com/column/BYT19990920S0002

You're right on, Torsten! In fact it's worth featuring here for wider
dissemination. Here it is:


> Office Suites Arrive
> By Bill Nicholls,
> Sep 22, 1999 (12:40 PM)
> URL: http://www.byte.com/column/BYT19990920S0002
>
> Rodney Dangerfield gets more respect than OS/2.  Linux gets all the
> press, Microsoft gets all the hate mail, OS/2 gets ignored.  But
> somehow, OS/2 users keep on running this relatively unknown and little
> respected system.  Why?  "Success has many fathers, but failure is an
> orphan."  The failure of OS/2 to capture large market share has many
> causes, but here are the main ones:
>
> IBM failed to build a powerful marketing and sales force with a
> consistent image for OS/2, even with a three-year delivery lead.
>
> Press reports with very few exceptions parroted the Microsoft marketing
> lines:
>
> "OS/2 is hard to install."  "OS/2 has no applications."  "Windows 4,
> oops, 95 is the future."
>
> IBM was locked out of many pre-load operations by Microsoft business
> tactics and failed to make a significant effort to solve that obstacle.
>
> The government failed to correct the illegally built Microsoft monopoly
> when the Justice Department won their first lawsuit.
>
> Despite those major and many minor obstacles, OS/2 went on to win the
> hearts of about five million users in the early 90s.  Many were
> employees of large corporations who standardized on OS/2.  But just as
> many were won over by one simple fact:  Like a Maytag, it just keeps on
> running.
>
> It Just Keeps Running Unlike Windows 3.1 and 95, the user is always
> surprised when OS/2 freezes because it is a very rare event.  Reinstalls
> are almost never needed even when beta software manages to freeze the
> machine.  From OS/2 2.1 on, Windows 3.1 programs ran better inside
> WinOS2 with fewer hangs than native Windows 3.1.  DOS apps ran in a
> window alongside OS/2 and Windows 3.1 apps, and all were multi-tasked
> preemptively without problems.
>
> With all those benefits, how was OS/2 bested by a late and technically
> inferior OS from Microsoft?  The basic answer is:  See the above list.
> My purpose here is not to detail what happened, as that would fill
> columns.  What I want to write about is where OS/2 is today, answers to
> 2a and 2b, and why many people strongly prefer OS/2 to Windows 95, 98,
> or NT.
>
> As I write this, OS/2 exists in three versions:  2.1, 3.0, and 4.0.
> Versions 3 and 4, known as collectively as WARP, are still supported by
> IBM with enhancements, fixpaks, and new and updated peripheral driver
> code.  You can see that when you visit IBM's OS/2 driver site, OS/2
> Device Driver Pak Online".
>
> IBM's OS/2 supports almost every card and peripheral type, from
> CD-Recordable to WAN - X.25 adapters, even eleven USB products.  This
> includes a respectable 338 disk and SCSI adapters, a huge list of 805
> display adapters, and an astonishing 1,318 printers and plotters.
>
> Fixpaks available for all countries for WARP 3 and 4 are available from
> the "Fixes, Drivers, Files and News" page:  "Software Updates".
>
> The update process is fully automated and can be run under Netscape for
> OS/2 from 2.02 to the latest 4.61, or IBM's own Web Explorer 1.1.  They
> can also be downloaded and applied manually from hard or floppy disk.
> The READMEs are informative and helpful, and best of all, OS/2 fixpaks
> can be backed out if there is a problem.
>
> Let's take on issue 2a, "OS/2 is hard to install."  In the early 2.0
> beta days, the OS/2 install was not a thing of beauty.  It took me three
> tries with 30-plus diskettes each time to get a properly configured
> install of the beta, but only the first time.  However, after loading
> two betas and the release of 2.0 from floppies, when IBM announced that
> 2.1 was available on CD, I ran to my local dealer and purchased a single
> speed SCSI CD reader and 8-bit controller for a measly $315.  It was
> worth every penny.  The 2.0 and 2.1 installs could be a trial if you had
> never done one before, or occasionally even if you had.  By WARP 3, the
> install was two floppies and a CD, which required no fiddling unless you
> had, as I did, unusual or cheap peripheral cards.  Even in that case,
> all it took was adding the right driver to the second disk and adding a
> line for that driver in the floppy config.sys.  Then the boot disk
> simply detected your card, loaded the driver, and copied the install to
> the hard disk, starting the install automatically.  Quite simple.  Note
> that in no case do you have to install DOS and a CD driver first, like
> Microsoft requires for Windows 95, 98, and NT.
>
> That turns out to be why even today the "hard to install" mantra
> remains.  Most journalists installed OS/2 only once, condemned it for a
> hard install, and went back to rewriting Microsoft press releases as
> news.  The point that a lot of them missed was that you only needed to
> install OS/2 once, then you just run and run and run.  A few journalists
> reported this accurately, but were largely outshouted by the less
> thorough majority.
>
> OS/2 Has No ApplicationsEven in the beginning, this was untrue.  OS/2
> 2.1 shipped with a full set of Windows 3.1 standard software, and ran
> almost every piece of 3.1 software written.  When Windows 95 finally
> arrived, not surprisingly, it was not compatible with OS/2, and not by
> accident.  Microsoft really feared OS/2 back then as they knew it was
> technically better than Win 95.  Microsoft had even found their own
> developers using OS/2 rather than Microsoft tools.  After that fact was
> publicized, OS/2 at Microsoft lasted exactly as long as it took Bill
> Gates to write a memo.
>
> Native OS/2 software is available, but from smaller vendors with budgets
> to match.  The user had to be willing to make a small effort to find the
> software while being bombarded by misinformation from Microsoft.  It was
> not an easy time for OS/2 vendors mostly ignored by the press, but they
> persisted and delivered functional and reliable software.  Most of the
> OS/2 software has been available since 1992 from Indelible Blue.  Their
> current catalog runs to 72 pages and is online as well.
>
> Fast forward to 1998.  Windows 95 and 98 own the desktop market, 80
> percent of the users expect to reboot their systems daily or more
> frequently, Hewlett-Packard and other peripheral vendors go to a
> "Microsoft Only" philosophy for their new products.  Now using or
> talking about OS/2 gets you only strange looks and derision.  Still, a
> small but vociferous group of OS/2 supporters has begun to take the
> future of OS/2 into their own hands and a very few farsighted vendors
> are including OS/2 versions of their software.
>
> IBM, possibly realizing they had blown it with OS/2, rallies to Java as
> their battle cry in an effort to derail the Microsoft juggernaut.
> Though their Java performance is top drawer and runs well in OS/2, the
> fact is poorly reported.  Nothing new there.  Climbing on the Microsoft
> bandwagon, the software division offers a good small business software
> package for NT, but pointedly omits supporting OS/2, a different
> division.  The hardware group won't pre-install OS/2, either desktop or
> server.  IBM continues to provide good hardware and software except in
> the desktop arena, where they play politics with the future of OS/2.
> Only the OS/2 server version gets resources for further development.
>
> In 1998, the Star Division of a German company released Star Office 4.0
> for 32-bit Windows, Solaris, Mac, Linux, and OS/2.  It is now free for
> personal use via download, or $40 with CD and printed manual.  In 1999,
> Star Office was upgraded to 5.1, compatible with Office 97.  Commercial
> use is an inexpensive $499 for five users, any combination of versions.
> I've begun using it on OS/2 and Linux with success.  It will load and
> run in a 32-Mbyte OS/2 system.  A 48-Mbyte memory is good and 64 Mbytes
> is plenty.  A Lotus Office Suite is also available from the Lotus
> division of IBM.  A Java office suite is available from Applix.
>
> Despite IBM's internal politics and corporate-only support, the OS/2
> users are taking control of its future.  Websites supporting Warp have
> long been an active part of the Internet, but now user groups and
> developers have organized major shows.  WarpStock 98 follows the 97
> event and OS/2 users and developers rallied to show the public why they
> care.  WarpStock 99 in Atlanta, scheduled for Oct. 16 to Oct. 17,
> continues the yearly show and Warp Expo West is in Southern California
> on Sept.  18.  Had the Internet been this pervasive in 1992, OS/2 could
> have built its own support base in the three years before Microsoft
> shipped Windows 95.
>
> Recently, Sun Microsystems bought Star Division and now makes Star
> Office available without registration for download, or as a CD for $9.95
> plus shipping.  Get Star Office.
>
> The Little Engine That Can OS/2 with native applications from a variety
> of vendors is easily capable of running everything you need for a small
> business, or as the desktop part of a large one.  A lot of it is
> available as a package from Star Division, able to exchange documents
> with Office 97 users, and far less vulnerable to e-mail viruses.
> Netscape is being regularly upgraded by IBM -- 4.61 is in final beta as
> I write, and I am actively running it in the background without worrying
> about a crash.  Java support is also very good and IBM is providing
> current version 5 of Lotus/Domino, as well as Apache server and
> Websphere for OS/2.
>
> IBM may be finally realizing that an orphan OS that refuses to die and
> gets grass root user support despite Microsoft's 90 percent share of the
> desktop might possibly have some value.  Even now as IBM rushes to
> embrace Linux, OS/2 continues to get some support.  It's possible that
> the major problem for IBM is, and has always been, how to make a profit
> selling an OS one unit at a time and supporting end users.  If they
> figure that out, anything is possible.
>
> Next Time:  "Year 2000?  A Simple and Inexpensive Backup."
>
> Bill Nicholls was educated as a physicist, but early in his college
> career became seduced by the computing side of the force.  Since then,
> he has badgered mainframes, minis, and micros into mostly doing what he
> wanted, though with varying degrees of difficulty.  Software has always
> been his primary interest, from writing an OS to applications.  Don't
> ask him to do another payroll, though.
>
>
> Above article (c) BYTE Publications, 1999.

Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Mike Roark                                        27-Sep-99 17:09:29
  To: Frits Spieker                                     01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Frits!

Friday September 24 1999 08:36, Frits Spieker wrote to Sean Dennis:

 SD>> As soon as I get SCSI, I'll be burning CDs too. ;)

 FS> I can highly advise you to do so. Burning CD's under OS/2 is *very*
 FS> easy and you don't have to leave your machine "alone" out of fear that
 FS> your program will stop working correctly. You can surf the internet,
 FS> work in your WP of choice, whatever while OS/2 does it (multitasking)
 FS> thing.

What are you using to do the recording? I don't really care for RSJ. it is
nice, but the price is more than I paid for Warp 4! CDrecord, although a bit
hard to use from the command line works like a champ..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 2d 7h 37m 20s 812ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        27-Sep-99 17:16:00
  To: Dan Egli                                          01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

Hello Dan!

Saturday September 25 1999 21:40, Dan Egli wrote to Herbert Rosenau:


 DE> Where in zone 1 or on the Net can  I get this file?
 HR>> ----------------------------Abbeien-----------------------
 HR>> SB326411.ZIP 1763503 25.02.98  Sound Blaster Drivers SB 16,

Should be on Hobbes, or send me an e-mail address and I'll send it to you.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 2d 7h 46m 58s 375ms (en).

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From: David Randall                                     29-Sep-99 18:06:07
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to David Randall:


 DR> The message sent out to ibm.net customers says you can use
 DR> your OS/2 dialer if you opt for the business rather than
 DR> consumer account.

 SH> Pardon?!?!

From the FAQ in the email message to ibm.net customers:


Q15. Does AT&T WorldNet(r) Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
A15. No. The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If you
     are an OS/2 customer, please click here
     http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer of AT&T
     Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2 dialer. 
                     
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From: Steven Thompson                                   29-Sep-99 15:07:06
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Jack.

27 Sep 99 19:33, you wrote to me:

 JS> You heard of LINUX right?  AT&T owned that, lock stock and barrel,
 JS> yet, Linus managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?

Correction.  AT&T didn't own Linux, they owned UNIX...

Steve.

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From: John Thompson                                     29-Sep-99 20:06:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's not quite over

In a message to All, Murray Lesser wrote re: It's not quite over

ML>     I have been a subscriber to IBM Internet Connection Services
ML> (ibm.net) since Warp 3 was a pup.  As you may remember, IBM sold this
ML> operation to AT&T last year for a mess of pottage and several other
ML> considerations.  This morning, I downloaded an e-mail from ibm.net
ML> discussing the changeover from my ibm.net account to an equivalent AT&T
ML> account, which would take place starting Oct 1, this year.  (Forwarding
ML> service will be available until Oct 1, 2000.)
ML> 
ML>     It seems that ibm.net has classified me as a "consumer" customer
ML> (which, in truth, I am), not as a "business" customer.  If I do nothing
ML> about it, I will be transferred to AT&T's WorldNet services.  The
ML> problem is that if I transfer to WorldNet, I can no longer have the
ML> worldwide "roaming" capabilities I have enjoyed to date.  Worse, I can
ML> not continue to use my IBM OS/2 dialer.  (Apparently, WorldNet supplies
ML> dialers only for Windows and the Mac.)  According an excerpt from the
ML> text of the message I received:
ML> 
ML>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If you
ML>      are an OS/2 customer, please click here
ML>      http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer of
ML>      AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2
ML>      dialer.  [Note:  I have no idea as to whether or not Injoy can
ML>      access WorldNet, nor do I care very much.]
ML> 
ML>     It appears that the newly constituted AT&T Business Internet
ML> Services will provide "the technology" (and services available) of the
ML> former IBM Internet Connection Services (prices not quoted).  I gather
ML> that I must point my browser to the page mentioned before Oct 1, or I
ML> will be swept automatically into WorldNet, which I will be unable to
ML> access :-(.  (I will post further reports after I get home and can
ML> attach to the Internet without paying the $0.10/minute surcharge for
ML> 800-number access to ibm.net that I use when traveling in the US.  It is
ML> usually cheaper for me to pay the 30-40 cents surcharge to pick up my
ML> morning Fido and other e-mail than it is to pay the hotel the usual
ML> $0.75-1.00 "local call" charge, even if I am in a locality that has
ML> ibm.net access--assuming I don't fool around with Web sites!)
ML> 
ML>     Comments from other users of ibm.net would be appreciated.

You can get a run-down on the AT&T Business Internet Services 
plans at http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_planinfo.html

If I've comprehended The Announcement and the plan descriptions 
properly, if you choose to go wth AT&T Business Services to
continue to use the ibm.net OS/2 dialer (hey, it really is a nice
dialer, IMHO), etc.  you will probably get the "Comprehensive"
plan (assuming you weren't using one of the ibm.net limited plans
before).  This plan appears to be essentially the same as what
ibm.net had been offering; ie US$19.95/month, 6 email id's, no
web space, US$9.00 surcharge for "global roaming" (it's not clear
but I assume this only applies outside your base area, eg outside
North and South America for USA customers, outside Europe/Africa
for European customoers, etc.  just like ibm.net has been for the
last year or so).  Some good changes are 150hrs/month instead of
the current 100hrs/month with ibm.net and 6MB email storage email
ID vs 3MB under the present plan.


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From: George Fliger                                     29-Sep-99 06:01:09
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: faxworks

On 27 Sep 99 10:34am, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to George Fliger:

 -=> Quoting George Fliger to Roy J. Tellason <=-

 GF> The Modem Voice settings are not really used since the Courier is not
 GF> a voice modem but the first settings under that heading do tell the
 GF> program to use US Robotics commands.

 RCB> My modem is voice but I dont have any prog for voice modem.

 RCB> Additionally:

 RCB> Configuration Profile...

 RCB> Product type           US/Canada Internal
 RCB> Options                V32bis,V.FC,V.34+
 RCB> Fax Options            Class 1/Class 2.0
 RCB> Clock Freq             92.0Mhz
 RCB> Eprom                  256k
 RCB> Ram                    64k

 RCB> EPROM date             2/13/96
 RCB> DSP date               2/13/96

 RCB> EPROM rev              2.0
 RCB> DSP rev                2.0

This is a Courier???  I don't remember any Couriers having a Clock
Frequency of 92Mhz, only 20Mhz and 25Mhz.  I also don't remember any
Couriers having voice.

Did I miss a model somewhere?

George


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From: George Fliger                                     29-Sep-99 06:05:06
  To: Bat Lang                                          01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

On 27 Sep 99 12:27am, Bat Lang wrote to All:

 BL> A recent file from Fernwood FDN is:

 BL> LAME327.ZIP   123k 25.09.99 * (00) LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder
 BL> version 3.27 ported to os/2, compiled with emx 0.9d fix 2
 BL>                                (emxrt 0.9d fix required!).
 BL>                               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 BL> Does anyone know where to obtain "emxrt 0.9d fix 2"??  FTP
 BL> hopefully. Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

Check on Hobbes.  It's been there for a couple'a months now.

George


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importance.
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From: Dan Egli                                          29-Sep-99 22:38:09
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

 -=> Quoting Herbert Rosenau to Dan Egli <=-

 DE>  -=> Quoting Herbert Rosenau to Dan Egli <=-
 
 HR> Try HOBBES, os2ss or dejanews to find it. Ask in your area.

 HR> The original name my contain some underscore in it. Here is the
 HR> filename shorten because binkley and a lot of other FIDO mailers
 HR> doesn't accept other than 8.3 names.

 HR> Or at least you my frequest it here. My node is 24h/7d online.


I did mention zone 1 :> Freq from another zone is WAY expensive.

I got beta drivers, still not working. Anyone care to recomend a decent CHEAP
Os/2 compat sound card? Doens't need all the features of an AWE64, but it
should have at least SFW wave table like AWE64 does.

Thanks!


... I remember my father's last words, "tomorrow you're outta my will!"

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From: Gord Hannah                                       29-Sep-99 20:02:18
  To: Murray Lesser                                     01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's not quite over

Following up a message from Jack Stein to Murray Lesser About It's not quite
over:

 ML>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2
 ML> dialer. 

JS> Neither does anyone else on earth, far as I know, so what?

I agree with Jack on this call, my ISP does not support OS/2 either so here is 
what you need to do, if using DOIP or Injoy find out the IP address, Gateway,
domain name smtp stuff, and change your phone number that you need to access
the service, voila you are up and running, it is that simple at least it was
for me on my end.

My ISP supports Win9x, MAC and Linux but not DOS or OS/2.  I connect reliably
every day.

JS> local mumber.  Bottom line is you have to ignore everything they say
JS> about OS/2, they are all ignorant, including IBM.

The ISP techno jocks know SFA and try and baffle people with BS instead of
brilliance.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: Darren Ryall                                      30-Sep-99 02:45:25
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: Command interpreters

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Darren Ryall <=-

 RCB> I am not sure. :-) And you?

Yup... everything that I know of program-wise on my system has either been
patched to be Y2K compliant, or else replaced with programs that are...

Even my DOS is now Y2K compliant...
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From: Darren Ryall                                      30-Sep-99 02:45:25
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: Need OS/2

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Darren Ryall <=-

 RCB> Is fixpak 39/40/41 brazilian available? Any one, RSU, DSK & others.

Hmmm, that's a tough one... I'd suggest searching the IBM site, starting at
this link:

http://service5.boulder.ibm.com/pspfixpk.nsf/f6b656aa84c801b78625662800691e9d?O

penView&amp;Start=1&amp;Count=300&amp;Expand=18#18

 RCB> The better fixpak for my warp I encountered until now is 38.

I've heard some excellent things about 38, and good things about 39, and also
40.  But I've heard of people that have their systems break under 40, and a
lot fewer under 39.  Which is why I usually recommend 39...

 RCB> Support for warp3 go died?! I hear about that. No fixpaks anymore.

Yup, 40 is the last fixpak for all versions of Warp 3, 41 is only for Warp
Server.. =/

 RCB> No new versions of IDEDASD.EXE & things like this.
 RCB> Is this really?

Think I get the question... yes, it's true.  IBM discontinued support for
Warp3 when Aurora came out, as it did for Warp 2.x when Merlin hit the
streets.  =/
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From: Peter Knapper                                     30-Sep-99 22:08:11
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: system clock?

Hi Roy,

 RJT> At one point here I had the "system clock" showing up 
 RJT> on the desktop.  Not only is it not there any more,  
 RJT> but I can't even seem to find an icon in the current 
 RJT> setup to access it!

My Warp 3 machine has the "System Clock" located in the System setup Folder,
but I can't remember if the Warp 3 install placed it there or I moved it there 
(I tend to move things around how I like........;-))

 RJT> Can somebody point me to the right file here (Warp 
 RJT> Connect),  and suggest what I'd need to do to re-
 RJT> create the icon in its default location?

Its not a standard Program Object, its heavily customised with no obvious
reference to the executable. 

I dont usually bother with the "System Clock", I prefer to use Rick Papo's
"System Resources" tool (also known as Memsize) on ALL my OS/2 Desktops. This
can be configured to display all sorts of useful information about your
system, including the current date/time. 

I was runing V3.30 released in 1997 up until a few weeks ago when I visited
Ricks Web site (http://www.msen.com/~rpapo/) and discovered that while 3.31
was the "current" release, he released V4.0 as beta in August 1999 with a mass 
of extra features and changes. I picked that up but found a small problem with 
the disk space monitor code not bypassing my CD changer and forcing the
changer to scan through all the CD's every few minutes (even though it was
configured to ignore those drive letters). Rick is looking at that at the
moment, but otherwise I think it is an excellent freeware product, even if I
dont need 12 of the 13 language files he provides with it.......;-)

The "current" release is MEMSZ331.ZIP, about 640Kb.

I hope this helps.............pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     30-Sep-99 21:56:12
  To: Mike Roark                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hi Mike,

 MR> care for RSJ. it is nice, but the price is more than I 
 MR> paid for Warp 4! CDrecord, although a bit hard to use 
 MR> from the command line works like a champ..

Look for PMCDR002.ZIP dated 25th Sept for a Freeware PM Front end for CDRecord 
that claims to make life a lot easier. I haven't tried it but you may find it
useful.

Cheers...........pk.


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From: Andy Roberts                                      29-Sep-99 18:28:27
  To: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Nice OS/2 article at Byte

 Torsten Balle Koefoed,

28-Sep-99 15:27:08, Torsten Balle Koefoed wrote to All
          Subject: Nice OS/2 article at Byte

 TBK> Take a look at:

 TBK> http://www.byte.com/column/BYT19990920S0002

Article by Bill Nicholls,  September 27, 1999

OS/2: The Little Engine That Could
OS/2 Realities Vs. Past Myths
OS/2 Is Hard To Install...Not!
Office Suites Arrive

A refreshing (and surprising) indication that NOT ALL the reporters have sold
their common sense and ethics to Microsoft.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  29-Sep-99 16:53:00
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

 -=> Quoting Charles Gaefke to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> Not true. Caldera is still supporting DR-DOS. They made a new release
 LE> only a few months back. And heck, CP/M is still out there.

 CG> When I say DOS, I mean MS-DOS, since it is the most common flavour
 CG> out  there.


Since MS-DOS, PC-DOS, DR-DOS, and all the others *work* the same, why
draw the distinction.
 
 LE> DOS may well outlive all of us on this list!

 CG> And you don't think OS/2 will?

No idea. 

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Sep-99 09:14:25
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to CORIDON HENSHAW:

 SD> OS/2 is only as dead as we, the users, let it be.

 CH> That's what they said about the Amiga...and the Commodore C64, the
 CH> Apple II, and the...

 MR> All bad examples.  Each one of those is a type of hardware. 
 MR> OS/2 is not bound to old hardware.  As long as x86 chips are 
 MR> made, OS/2 will run on them.

A more apt example,  one that I noted was omitted from that list,  would be
CP/M...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Sep-99 09:25:26
  To: Bat Lang                                          01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Nice OS/2 article at Byte

Bat Lang wrote in a message to Torsten Balle Koefoed:

 -=> Quoting Torsten Balle Koefoed to All, [28 Sep 99  15:27:08] <=-

 TBK> Hi there !

 TBK> Take a look at:

 TBK> http://www.byte.com/column/BYT19990920S0002

 BL> You're right on, Torsten! In fact it's worth featuring here
 BL> for wider dissemination. Here it is:


> Office Suites Arrive
> By Bill Nicholls,
> Sep 22, 1999 (12:40 PM)
> URL: http://www.byte.com/column/BYT19990920S0002

<...>

Thanks for posting that...

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From: Bob Wright                                        28-Sep-99 20:56:20
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

Greetings, Jonathan...

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard hastily said to Darren Hamilton:


 DH>> Is the 32-bit command interpreter specific to OS/2 v4.0? I tried the
 DH>> DATE /N command with OS/2 v3.0 (FP 40 and 32-bit CMD.EXE file) and
 DH>> received an error message:
 DH>>
 DH>> SYS1036: The system cannot accept the date entered.

 JdBP> If you crank up IBM's 16-bit CMD, and run the TIME command with the /?
 JdBP> option, you will notice that it documents a /N option.

Not on Warp Connect it doesn't... this is with FP42.  The only thing that
comes up if you use DATE /? is:
"Use the DATE command to display or change the system date or to reset the
date on your computer clock.  You can use any syntax... [usual syntaxes not
repeated]....
Type DATE without any parameters to display the current date settings and
prompt for the new date.  Press Enter to keep the same date."

If you use "Help date", you get essentially the same information except in INF 
format..


        -- Bob

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From: Ian Moote                                         30-Sep-99 08:00:00
  To: ALL                                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

KL> Since ibm.net has been sold to at&t I have a question. I went with
KL> ibm.net as an isp since they seemed the logical choice for an OS/2
KL> user.  I went to the download page of at&t (directed to it by the
KL> notice from ibm.net) and looked to see if there was an OS/2 version of
KL> their connection software.  If there is something other than winX, or
KL> Mac software there I cannot see it.  Is there a good ISP to be had out
KL> there that supports OS/2?

I don't understand this problem. ISP's don't "support" operating 
systems, they provide an Internet connection service through a clearly 
defined interface. Does AT&T provide neither a SLIP nor PPP connection 
capability? If not, what do they use as an alternative? Do they use a 
login handshaking protocol other than PAP or CHAP? If so, what do they 
use? Is there some reason why a scripted login will not work? Does AT&T 
not understand or pass TCP/IP packets. If not, what packet and 
addressing protocols do they use? I've had nothing but minor problems 
using SlipPM to log into and use any ISP so far. What's the schtick with 
AT&T?

TIA.
x
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From: Ian Moote                                         30-Sep-99 08:00:00
  To: PETER FRENCH                                      01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re^3: NC 4.61

PF> [...] but I'll be one of the
PF> first to move to a native OS/2 browser if we ever see one.......

Don't get me started, man! It should be renamed the "Win-ternet". [;) I 
came across a site the other day: "Best viewed in 1280 x 1024 in 16 
million colours using IE4 or better." It was a joke, I'm sure, but it 
sure summed things up for me. [:)

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Ian Moote                                         30-Sep-99 08:00:00
  To: BEN RITCHEY                                       01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re^4: NC 4.61

BR> Everything saves to a FAT-16 disk which I process later under DOS,
BR> my production OS. :)

DOS is my production OS as well -- but OS/2 is my _productive_ OS! [;)

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Sep-99 06:44:13
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: File Managers

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Andy Roberts <=-

 JS> F12: Create WPS-Object
 JS> /* Create Object */

 RCB> This is not necessary, ALT-F6 creates objects on WPS. Very
 RCB> simple. :) 

Are you talking about FC/2 here?   Again, I want to control exactly what the
OBJECTID name is for the object I'm creating.  Not the title name of the icon, 
the objectid name.  

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Sep-99 06:57:20
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Sales

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> They deprived me of getting a trip guide with a CD in it with 
 JS> software that runs under OS/2, rather than WIN95.  They made sure 
 JS> when one goes to Kmart, Babbages, or work, that one will see nothing 
 JS> but WIN95 crap.  

 SH> Microsoft made a product aimed at idiots. Idiots make up
 SH> approximately 90% of the home user industry, and IBM
 SH> realized this. In the longrun, there's no place for a stable
 SH> GUI OS that's powerful, rather than pretty.

No room for a stable GUI OS thats powerful, rather than pretty?  How stupid is 
that statement?  The pretty part is just as bogus as the rest of the
statement, as OS/2 is just as "pretty" as WIN.  

 SH> It sounds to me like you've just got a bad case of sour
 SH> grapes. 

This is true, so?

 JS> That does not explain why IBM pulled the plug on OS/2

 SH> Where do you get this from? This is libel, you realize.

 JS> just days before the release of WIN95.

 SH> If you knew anything about what you're talking about, you'd
 SH> know that IBM was forced into that. 

Let me get this straight...  I should be sued for "libel" yet what I said is
true, although IBM was "forced" into doing what I said they did?  You want to
believe little old MS forced IBM into doing something, go ahead, believe what
you want.

 SH> They were given a choice
 SH> - just hours (NOT days) before the release of Win'95 (not an
 SH> acronym, BTW). If they wanted to be able to bundle it with
 SH> their machines, they had to quit MARKETING OS/2. Not "pull
 SH> the plug" on it, but stop marketing it.

I'm sure that all came out in the DOJ law suit against MS, right?

 SH> Now, are you informed?

I'm informed that:
1) There is no room in the market place for a stable, powerful OS.

2) I should be sued for libel, yet what I said was true

3) MS, while in court for illegal market practices, tells IBM that if they
don't pull the plug on OS/2, then they can't sell MS OS's with their machines?
Sure, IBM just rolled over on that one.

I think you are either mis-informed or stupid.

 JS> when IBM switched tactics from non-support, to overtly telling 
 JS> folks OS/2 was NOT for them, that they should NOT use OS/2.

 SH> ...and this would be slander.

Yeah, right... The truth is not slander, nor libel, far as I know.

 SH> Tell me; when has IBM ever told anybody that OS/2 is not for
 SH> them? 

When they said the battle of the desktop is over, when they said they OS/2 is
not for the home user, they would not support the home user, when they insured 
retail outlets did not have OS/2 to sell, and on and on and on.

 SH> Don't you know about their current new product, WSeB?
 SH> They're aiming for the corporate market, where Microsoft
 SH> doesn't have the large death grip on the market. NT can't
 SH> even handle the load of such Microsoft services as Hotmail
 SH> and the MSN website - so IBM comes in with a product that
 SH> can handle these loads.

Yawn.

 SH> They can also get ~$2000 for each license of WSeB, whereas
 SH> ~$200 for a license for OS/2 Warp for a home user is
 SH> considered expensive. 

Yawn!  MS made how much money selling OS for $50 to the home user?

 JS> You consider this support?  Give me a break.  I'm not talking 
 JS> about providing some updates to OS/2, I'm talking about 
 JS> support in the market place.

 SH> That's called marketing. You don't appear to know the
 SH> difference between the two words.

You sure don't.  Support means to provide for by supplying money and other
necessities.  Marketing was not supported by IBM.  

 JS> You know, things like advertising,

 SH> Why pay to advertise a sinking ship? 

The ship was sinking because IBM did not support it, they didn't WANT the ship 
to float.

 SH> Do you realize how expensive an ad campaign is? With the 
 SH> current trend in home users, there's no chance in hell they'll 
 SH> make it back in Warp revenues.

MS seems to do very well at it.  If there is any legit reason that IBM would
do what they did, it would be to keep them from dominating the OS market,
which could get them back in court as a huge monopoly.  No way does dominating 
the home and business market hurt IBM as far as cash goes.

 JS> making sure retail stores have copies of OS/2 to sell,

 SH> What are they supposed to do, go the way of Microsoft and
 SH> force them to shelve it? I've talked to computer store
 SH> owners/managers, and if they don't say "OS-what?" they tell
 SH> me stories that go something like "I got a case of 100
 SH> copies of Warp, and 6 months later returned 98 copies to
 SH> IBM", "I tried to sell Warp, but people went straight to the
 SH> Microsoft section", "Nobody has shown any interest in OS/2"

Just more proof that IBM did not in any way support OS/2, ever.

 JS>> IBM NEVER supported OS/2, not for one day.

 SH>> I hope you're taken to court for libel.

Hope all you want.  I have a right to my opinion, and to speak it, shout it
from the roof tops if I wish.  You have a better chance of being sued for
libel by calling me either incredibly misinformed or incredibly stupid.  I'm
neither, and could probably prove it in court.

 JS> IBM would not stand a chance, unless they used theirmoney, power and 
 JS> influence to stack the deck.

 SH> What I was trying to tell you is that you're either
 SH> incredibly uninformed, or incredibly stupid.

That's ok, I don't mind you telling me that, just don't threaten me with libel 
or slander problems from big blue.  They have more money than brains, and who
knows what their liable to do...

 SH> Either way, your comment was 100% false. 

No, my comment was 100% true, you said it yourself, except you think MS FORCED 
IBM to do what they did.  

 SH> How can you possibly claim that as fact? 

I've said over and over again that what happened is a fact, why it happened is 
up for speculation.  IMO, what happened was because MS, IBM and INTEL are
corrupt and in cohoots, and supported by the ZIFF-DAVIS propaganda machine,
and the incredibly corrupt DOJ.  I'm entitled to my opinion, just as anyone
else is.  I've read all the BS from finatical OS/2 and IBM people, and little
of what excuses they give make much sense.  Until someone comes up with
something that makes sense, I'll keep my opinion.

 SH> Why would they spend 10's of millions of dollars to develop a 
 SH> product for several years, which they never intended to 
 SH> support? 

Tens of millions is NOTHING to IBM.  They blew THREE BILLION on LOTUS, give me 
a break.

 JS>> IBM's next move, if I read them correctly will be to attempt to 
 JS>> kill LINUX.

 SH>> You know even less about Linux than you do about OS/2. 

 JS> And you know that because..?

 SH> It's explained in this following paragraph;

 SH>> Linux can NOT be "killed" by any corporation. Not even IBM and
 SH>> Microsoft combined. You can't kill a product that's source
 SH>> code is available on millions of sites worldwide.

True, not as easy to kill a product you don't own as it is to kill your own,
however, it is possible to make damn sure the mass market doesn't want the
product.  That is done with propaganda (ZIFF-DAVIS propaganda machine - read
what Dvorack or whatever the asses name had to say about LINUX, it's on the
ZIFF-DAVIS propaganda site)  

 JS> Linux has been freely available for many years now.  It's only 
 JS> recently begun moving slowly forward with the likes of Slackware and 
 JS> RedHat providing the package.

 SH> Where do you get THIS from? Like I said, you know even less
 SH> about Linux that you do about OS/2.

I get it from the fact that IBM and INTEL are buying into RedHat.  Simple
really.

 JS> RedHat appears to be the one most likely to have any effect on the

 SH> You've obviously never heard of SuSE. They've got about 80%
 SH> of the sold-copy Linux market in Europe, and are rapidly
 SH> gaining steam in the Americas.

Nope, never heard of them.  

 SH> Of course, you must know better - because you know
 SH> everything about Linux and OS/2.

I know more than 95% of the people on earth, thats a fact.

 JS> market in general, and the cartel seems to be moving in on them.

 SH> So RedHat gets bought out. If Microsoft WERE to buy them and
 SH> change the distro to be more Microsoft-like, it woudln't be
 SH> Linux anymore. They'd have to take over development of the
 SH> kernel to do that. Sure, the kernel could split off into
 SH> Linux-Kernel and Microsoft-Kernel, but there's no way in
 SH> hell they could ever kill the true Linux.

No, they cannot kill linux, nor any other OS.  OS are not living things.  They 
can stop a company from selling and promoting the thing, simply by buying the
damn company.  Linux needs a name behind them to move big time into the
market, freeware is not yet ready to take over the computer OS market.

 SH> If Microsoft were to destroy RedHat, fine. RedHat's too
 SH> bassackwards anyways.

Hard to say, but, RedHat is sold in about every bookstore in the country. 
This completly circumvented the control of the general market the likes of IBM 
and MS have over computer stores like Babbages, Egghead, Computerland and so
on.  I suspect the solution to that delima is to gain control of RedHat, thats 
my speculation, and thats what the cartel seems to be doing.  The ZIFF-DAVIS
propaganda machine is already busy at work.  LINUX is lightweight, made for
$200 PC's, not anything a normal person would want... thats the story as per
ZIFF-DAVIS, there will be more to come, all propaganda BS.  

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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Sep-99 08:04:11
  To: David Randall                                     01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

David Randall wrote in a message to K. Lindholm:


 DR> The message sent out to ibm.net customers says you can use
 DR> your OS/2 dialer if you opt for the business rather than
 DR> consumer account.

I used the OS/2 Dialer, and the Injoy dialer on the AT&T consumer account. 
Wonder how they figure out that stupid line?

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Sep-99 08:24:05
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Steve Mccrystal wrote in a message to Frits Spieker:

 SM> According to an IBM official attending Warp Expo West, no
 SM> meeting took place yesterday on the future status of OS/2.
 SM> He should know, he sits on the committee itself. On top of
 SM> this he said IBM has ruled no third party entity out of the
 SM> running to offer a third party release of Warp 5. [end
 SM> quote]

If I were to pick a 3rd party to release WARP, it would not be Wardell, thats
for sure.  I would go for Rex Conn, of 4DOS fame, he knows his stuff.  My
other choice would be a guy that posts in here all the time, but I won't
mention his name.  Brad Wardell would not be on my list, not even at the
bottom.

If IBM were serious about not wanting to spend time or money on OS/2 for the
consumer market, they could easily give away the code to someone and retain
license for thier own use.  This would [have] kill[ed] MS I think, but I think 
IBM has no intention of ever hurting MS, so none of this [has] will happen.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Sep-99 08:32:16
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Charles Gaefke:

 SH> DOS is the lowest common denominator. Problem with your
 SH> 32-bit OS? Boot a DOS floppy to fix it.

I've never booted DOS, any version to fix my 32 bit OS, not once, not in I
guess 9 years.  Why would one do something like that?  Never did it with UNIX, 
never did it with OS/2.  WIN of course is DOS, so you have no choice there, NT 
I don't, and don't want, to know about.  You fix NT with a UNIX boot/install
tape, AFAIC.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Sep-99 08:38:08
  To: Ray Hyder                                         01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

Ray Hyder wrote in a message to Rob Basler:

 RB> Back in the Warp 3 days they did attempt to get people to use 
 RB> it, they also aggressively looked for preload agreements.  The 
 RB> MS trial in the states has had a lot of stories about how 
 RB> systems integraters were scared off preinstalling OS/2 by MS 
 RB> reps.  There was quite a bit of advertising for it in those 
 RB> days, both in trade mags and on TV of all things.  Why IBM 
 RB> decided to smother it, no one knows.  Some say that support cost 
 RB> too much, some say IBM did it to get a better preload deal for 
 RB> Windows 95, I don't know what is true. 
  
 RH> Easy answer!  Lack of corporate courage.  IBM lacked the
 RH> balls to take on MicroSoft in the consumer desktop market. 

IBM has very LARGE BALLS.  Don't ever under estimate the balls of a gigantic,
unbelievably rich company.

 RH> A REAL technology company would have won the desktop in a
 RH> heartbeat with OS/2.  

An 8th grade Junior Achievement marketing class would have won the desktop,
with just a very, very, very small part of the cash IBM has at it's
fingertips.

 RH> At the time of Warp 3's introduction
 RH> OS/2 first level support was being sub-contracted to an
 RH> outside vendor.  Support costs could have been easily
 RH> contained. A company the size of IBM could have taken Mr
 RH> Gates into court over the preload issue and wrapped
 RH> MicroSoft around the proverbial axle for years. 
  
 RH> The truth is that IBM simply lacked the management gut's to
 RH> carry a technology forward that would put IBM on almost
 RH> every desktop on the planet.  Very sad...  - ray  

Thats a very slim possiblitly.  More likely they had no intentions of taking
over the desktop, they didn't WANT it to happen, and they made sure it didn't. 
It took BALLS to overtly kill OS/2 the way they did.  Money was no issue, they 
spent 3 BILLION on LOTUS you know.  Who do you know that can piss away $3
BILLION w/o blinking an eye?

                                              Jack 
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                30-Sep-99 08:20:10
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Sales

29 Sep 99 14:49, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>> know that IBM was forced into that. They were given a choice - 
 SH>> just hours (NOT days) before the release of Win'95 (not an 
 SH>> acronym, BTW). If they wanted to be able to bundle it with 
 SH>> their machines, they had to quit MARKETING OS/2. Not "pull the 
 SH>> plug" on it, but stop marketing it.

 RJT> If they wanted to bundle it at all,  or if they wanted to get a good 
 RJT> price?

If they wanted to bundle it at all.

 RJT> This is interesting,  and the first that I've heard of this.  Where 
 RJT> did you come by this info?

DOJ vs. Microsoft trial.

 SH>> They're aiming for the corporate market, where Microsoft 
 SH>> doesn't have the large death grip on the market.

 RJT> This was my impression as well,  that they are more interested in 
 RJT> dealing with clients that are going to be medium to large sized 
 RJT> businesses without taking on all of the hassles involved in dealing 
 RJT> with SOHO end users.

Wouldn't you? The home user market has been cornered, so why fight? Go
for the people who are actually interested in stability, and will pay a
price for it.

 SH>> What I was trying to tell you is that you're either incredibly 
 SH>> uninformed, or incredibly stupid.

 RJT> I hope that messages in this echo can refrain from such personal 
 RJT> attacks,  regardless of how strongly you feel about things.

I'm not attacking him, I'm trying to figure out which it is. Uninformed
or stupid.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

... ACK and ye shall receive
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                30-Sep-99 08:22:12
  To: David Randall                                     01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

29 Sep 99 18:06, David Randall wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 DR> From the FAQ in the email message to ibm.net customers:


 DR> Q15. Does AT&T WorldNet(r) Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
 DR> A15. No. The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. 
 DR> If you are an OS/2 customer, please click here
 DR> http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer of 
 DR> AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2 
 DR> dialer. 

Sounds to me more like they're ASSuming that people using OS/2 must be
businesses. The wording doesn't indicate any form of switching accounts.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

... When trees blow back and forth thats what causes the wind...
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From: Frits Spieker                                     29-Sep-99 21:36:00
  To: Jan Danielsson                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Sunday September 26 1999: Jan Danielsson pounded with both fists on the
keyboard and came up with the following:

 JD> I seems I was wrong about you, and I apologize.

Apology accepted ;-).

 JD>    I want people to think for themselves, and not just listen to what
 JD> Wardell thinks.

Me too, however, I don't see you throw flames at the people who state that
"Brad Wardell is a lying s.o.b. because that meeting never took place". And he 
*never* stated that the meeting took place. Most of the non-brainers I've seen 
think along lines like "Duh! The meeting did not take place: ergo Brad is
lying, ergo IBM will release a client any time now because there is big
business there because after all we still are too cheap to even upgrade to
Warp4".

 JD>  Everytime someone reposts his post, and add the comment "Now it
 JD> really is over." (or something similar) then he gets what he wants.
 JD> The way I see it, adding a "What do you think?" is a much neater
 JD> approach.

Could be. However, Brad made a very interesting post about Will Zachman. Just
b4 Warp4 was released, Zachman predicted that IBM would do exactly as they
indeed did over the last few years. Brad attacked Will in a *very* severe way, 
almost stating the same things ("Microsloth lemming", lying sob, spineless
twit and words to that effect) that Brad gets slung at himself now.

I remember that flame war very vividly as at the time I was a regular visitor
of the Canopus forum in Compuserve where it took place.

I do believe that it is *very* fair to state that Stardock probably did a lot
more for OS/2 over the last few years than IBM did. And I know I will probably 
get flamed for this remark by some of the "Stardock sucks" pre-pubescence
twits who never bought a piece of software in their lives but I don't give a
f4.

Yes, some Stardock software was less than perfect when released and I too did
have some really big problems with some of it, but at least my problems (and
from a lot of others) have always been fixed by some excellent support through 
the Stardock Compuserve forum.

 JD> Again, I am sorry.

That's OK. ;-)

Let's look at the bright side: Maybe IBM *will* release a client themselves
and spare all the proverbial donkeys that now yell that Brad is a lying s.o.b. 
the humiliation of looking really, really stupid.


Shields down!
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From: Frits Spieker                                     29-Sep-99 21:52:00
  To: Jan Danielsson                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

And then Jan Danielsson mumbled something about 'It's over. Period.'.

 JD> I was dead wrong.

Maybe there is a lesson to be learned from this? <g>

Bye bye,
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From: Frits Spieker                                     29-Sep-99 21:53:01
  To: Jan Danielsson                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Monday September 27 1999: Jan Danielsson to Frits Spieker.

 JD> So Tim was right, the meeting never took place, but he tried to make
 JD> it look like Brad was luying about it.

So why is it then that people do still see Brad as the lying s.o.b. instead of 
this nice character Stippeltje?

 JD>  As far as I can remember, Brad never claimed that the meeting
 JD> actually took place.

You remember correctly.

 JD> it's important to remember that he does have some good news-sources.

Could be. But what I have read from him over time has more than once cost me
my appetite.

 JD>    Tim + Brad
 JD>    ---------- = truth
 JD>        2

LOL!

Can we make that into:

        Tim + Brad
        ---------- - ("Common sense"*"Intelligence") = possible truth.
            2


... Airbags won't help...when this machine crashes!

L8er,
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From: Peyton Bay                                        30-Sep-99 09:45:01
  To: Ray Hyder                                         01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

RH> The truth is that IBM simply lacked the management gut's to 
RH> carry a technology forward that would put IBM on almost 
RH> every desktop on the planet.  Very sad...  - ray  

Well said Ray! It _was_ no more than that.

Peyton

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Sep-99 14:31:13
  To: Andy Roberts                                      01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: 2 OS/2 Support

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 AR> My own need for Win95/98 has decreased from about 3 times a 
 AR> year down to less than once a year.  In fact other than 
 AR> installing Win95 for the kids, I can't remember exactly how 
 AR> many years back it was I last needed it.

My use of it here is very limited as well,  and continues to decrease as I
install applications on other platforms.  Most of the current use is as a
games machine anyhow...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Sep-99 14:41:13
  To: Ian Moote                                         01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re^3: NC 4.61

Ian Moote wrote in a message to PETER FRENCH:

PF> [...] but I'll be one of the
PF> first to move to a native OS/2 browser if we ever see one.......

 IM> Don't get me started, man! It should be renamed the 
 IM> "Win-ternet". [;) I  came across a site the other day: "Best 
 IM> viewed in 1280 x 1024 in 16  million colours using IE4 or 
 IM> better." It was a joke, I'm sure, but it  sure summed things up 
 IM> for me. [:)

I'll bet they didn't provide a mailto: address,  either...     :-)

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Sep-99 14:16:24
  To: Andy Roberts                                      01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

(Lots of interesting stuff snipped...)

 RB>> Why IBM decided to smother it, no one knows.  Some say that 
 RB>> support cost too much, some say IBM did it to get a better 
 RB>> preload deal for Windows 95, I don't know what is true.

 AR> I've heard both of those reasons, and several others.

 JS> I say it's because IBM, MicroSoft and INTEL have a huge cartel 
 JS> going for them, and they like it as it is, and have ZIFF-DAVIS 
 JS> and the DOJ helping them maintain this sick relationship, and 
 JS> the consumer gets stuck with their junk

 AR> I think that is over simplifying the past situation.  IBM had 
 AR> little if anything to do with the screw job Microsoft did to 
 AR> Apple.  Let's face it, Microsoft is against everyone else.

Yep.  There comes a point when their "corporate attitude" boggles the mind.  I 
mean,  how much more money does billyboy need?  It's one thing to strive to be 
a better company for your customers,  but this attitude of them wanting total
domination of the market baffles me.  They want to be the *ONLY* software
company out there.  At least for anything nontrivial.  Not just for operating
systems,  either,  but application programs as well.  And the thing is,  there 
comes a point when bigger is NOT necessarily better,  when you can't speed a
project up by throwing more programmers at it.  Their stuff isn't that good
anyhow,  compared to so many apps that I've used on other platforms.

 AR> Microsoft buys from Intel so there is no competition with 
 AR> Intel.  Microsoft bought a controlling share of Ziff-Davis. The 
 AR> DoJ only got involved after the US government already bought so 
 AR> much Microsoft stuff that it created a conflict of interest.  
 AR> Besides here in the US money can often buy a legal judgement.  
 AR> Personally I still hope some future political changes will 
 AR> eventually result in justice.

I see where being able to command significant resources is going to let you
make a better case,  in any context that I'm aware of.  And I can't see any
change in the system that'd improve this situation...

<...>

 JS> You can only keep a far superior product down by standing on it in a
 JS> competitive market.

 AR> Microsoft did the standing on of OS/2.  Remember the many new 
 AR> versions of Win32s that did nothing except prevent OS/2 from 
 AR> installing the new 3rd-party software written with Microsoft 
 AR> tools and assistance.  Remember IBM kept releasing many new 
 AR> Win32s patches up until v.1.25b.  It was a rapid and endless 
 AR> cycle of Microsoft trying to put OS/2 down.

You mention "1.25b" there,  what is the latest version of that support that
Warp can use?  I'm not sure what I have here,  but am fairly certain that it's 
earlier than that.

 AR> But Microsoft started by appealing to the totally novice and 
 AR> technically illiterate game players.  The result was that the 
 AR> number of computer users increased.  But that didn't change the 
 AR> number of technically savvy computer users drastically.

Good point!

<...>

 AR> It was not and is not a matter of "want" nor desires nor which 
 AR> OS is technically superior.  IBM = International BUSINESS 
 AR> Machine.  It is simply a matter of "business". Making a profit.

Just so.

<...>

 AR> Personally I think IBM made a very bad call to give up on the 
 AR> end user SOHO user market regardless of how much more Microsoft 
 AR> was going to charge them or even if Microsoft didn't let IBM 
 AR> bundle Microsoft software to IBM clients. For the money IBM 
 AR> charges those big business clients IBM could send someone down 
 AR> to the local shop to buy WinXX retail, and still make a profit.

Agreed,  but it's a very different _kind_ of business to deal with,  one that
IBM has not been into at all,  and one that m$ has been into since their
inception,  and I can see where they might not have wanted to start such a
thing.  In order for them to do so and to be successful at it,  they'd have
probably needed to start a new division,  as with the introduction of the pc
in the first place,  and we can see how they got their butts kicked by the
clones in _that_ market -- they lost control of it completely.  Had they been
more innovative,  had they been less conservative,  and had they come up with
easier (and cheaper!) licensing for their MCA hardware,  that might have
become the new standard.  But that behavior isn't typical of IBM...

 AR> IMO someone at IBM completely under-estimated the effect of 
 AR> what software a user has at home has on what software will be 
 AR> chosen for big business later. 

Another good point.

 AR> IMO IBM falsely assumed that Microsoft home users would 
 AR> suddenly switch to OS/2 at work because of reliability.  Thus 
 AR> IBM falsely assumed that they could still hold onto the big 
 AR> business market even if they let loose of the end users.  By 
 AR> the time IBM figured out that isn't the way businesses grow, it 
 AR> was too late. So now IBM is trying to make the best of a bad 
 AR> situation and make their profit as a "Service" company.  No 
 AR> doubt Microsoft software needs a lot more service than OS/2.

No doubt!  Which probably accounts for all the classified ads I'm seeing
looking for people to help out with NT,  in particular!  Too bad I don't have
a certification or three in that department.  But I'm not currently either
willing or able to pay the going rate to get them,  since it's a seller's
market...

<...>

 AR> Software Choice and the ---
 AR> ___ Terminate 5.00/Pro*at 
 AR>  - Origin: Warp 4
 AR> engage.....----------=============>>>>>>>>>>> (1:109/921.1) 

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Sep-99 14:36:08
  To: Peter Knapper                                     01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: system clock?

Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 PK> Hi Roy,

 RJT> At one point here I had the "system clock" showing up on the 
 RJT> desktop.  Not only is it not there any more,  but I can't even 
 RJT> seem to find an icon in the current setup to access it!

 PK> My Warp 3 machine has the "System Clock" located in the System 
 PK> setup Folder, but I can't remember if the Warp 3 install placed 
 PK> it there or I moved it there (I tend to move things around how 
 PK> I like........;-))

As do I.  <g>  But it's not in there.  I've looked through all of the folders
on my desktop,  and all of the folders that are in them,  and it's just not in 
there!  Weird...

 RJT> Can somebody point me to the right file here (Warp Connect),  
 RJT> and suggest what I'd need to do to re-create the icon in its 
 RJT> default location?

 PK> Its not a standard Program Object, its heavily customised with 
 PK> no obvious reference to the executable.

Hmm.

 PK> I dont usually bother with the "System Clock", I prefer to use 
 PK> Rick Papo's "System Resources" tool (also known as Memsize) on 
 PK> ALL my OS/2 Desktops. This can be configured to display all 
 PK> sorts of useful information about your system, including the 
 PK> current date/time.

Since you mentioned that,  I happen to have something on the desktop called
"Infoline" that displays some useful info as well.  I just checked it out, 
and there's a display date/time option that I had unchecked,  so it's
currently doing the job for me.

I'm still a little puzzled as to where the other one went,  though.

 PK> I was runing V3.30 released in 1997 up until a few weeks ago 
 PK> when I visited Ricks Web site (http://www.msen.com/~rpapo/) and 
 PK> discovered that while 3.31 was the "current" release, he 
 PK> released V4.0 as beta in August 1999 with a mass of extra 
 PK> features and changes. I picked that up but found a small 
 PK> problem with the disk space monitor code not bypassing my CD 
 PK> changer and forcing the changer to scan through all the CD's 
 PK> every few minutes (even though it was configured to ignore 
 PK> those drive letters). Rick is looking at that at the moment, 
 PK> but otherwise I think it is an excellent freeware product, even 
 PK> if I dont need 12 of the 13 language files he provides with 
 PK> it.......;-)

 PK> The "current" release is MEMSZ331.ZIP, about 640Kb.

I don't seem to have that here.  Care to email it?  I'm trying a new thingy
here,  "incoming%tanstaaf@frackit.com",  which should bypass hassles with the
limits of message bases entirely -- it stuffs things into a disk file and
doesn't bother trying to gate it to the fido side.  <g>

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From: Ray Hyder                                         30-Sep-99 19:48:00
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

 
 * Reply to a msg from Stewart Honsberger @ 1:229/604 on 09-29-99    
 
 SH> 28 Sep 99 20:37, Ray Hyder wrote to Rob Basler: 
  RH> The truth is that IBM simply lacked the management gut's to carry a 
  RH> technology forward that would put IBM on almost every desktop on the 
  RH> planet.  Very sad...  - ray  
 
 SH> The question is - would you *WANT* to run the "consumer OS"? 
 
Absolutely!  It is in IBM's interest to be the premiere service and support
provider in every aspect of computing.  
 
 SH> Support and applications aside - what happens when IBM starts to 
 SH> cater to the idiots and add things like "active desktop" to 
 SH> OS/2, and/or integrate their web browser? Or when they start 
 SH> Linux so much. 
 
Catering to idiots is something IBM has had to deal with since its inception. 
Nothing new there...  
 
IBM has been stared down by a company with less resource and less class. 
 
I say IBM has one ball the size of a pea and the other is a little one. 
 
- ray  
 
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From: Ray Hyder                                         30-Sep-99 20:18:00
  To: Peyton Bay                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

 
 * Reply to a msg from Peyton Bay @ 1:106/2001 on 09-30-99           
 
 PB> Well said Ray! It _was_ no more than that. 
 
Thanks Peyton! - ray  
 
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From: Ray Hyder                                         30-Sep-99 20:15:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

 
 JS> Thats a very slim possiblitly.  More likely they had no 
 JS> intentions of taking over the desktop, they didn't WANT it to 
 JS> happen, and they made sure it didn't. It took BALLS to overtly 
 JS> kill OS/2 the way they did.  Money was no issue, they spent 3 
 JS> BILLION on LOTUS you know.  Who do you know that can piss away 
 JS> $3 BILLION w/o blinking an eye? 
 
Jack, think about it...  The desktop is the motherload!  Take IT and you have 
an opportunity to infulence the future of computing.  
 
IBM has spent MANY billions on LOTUS, and other companies.  IBM hasn't a clue 
on where technology will take us...  - ray  
 
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                30-Sep-99 15:13:02
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Sales

29 Sep 99 06:57, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

I'll type slowly, ok?

 JS> No room for a stable GUI OS thats powerful, rather than pretty?  How 
 JS> stupid is that statement?  The pretty part is just as bogus as the 
 JS> rest of the statement, as OS/2 is just as "pretty" as WIN.  

Microsoft concentrates on adding as many "pretty" features as possible.
If it doesn't work properly, just add another layer to cover it up.
People won't mind re-booting 10 times a day as long as they get to watch
an animated logo and listen to pretty music.

 JS> Let me get this straight...  I should be sued for "libel" yet what I 
 JS> said is true, although IBM was "forced" into doing what I said they 
 JS> did?  You want to believe little old MS forced IBM into doing 
 JS> something, go ahead, believe what you want.

No, what you said is false. You said that "IBM has NEVER supported OS/2.
NOT FOR ONE DAY." (I believe that's a pretty accurate quote). I said
that IBM stopped MARKETTING OS/2 to the home user.

 JS> Yeah, right... The truth is not slander, nor libel, far as I know.

You don't know much about the law either, I see.

Where does your 'truth' come from? The fact that stores don't carry
OS/2? How substantiatable is that in court?

 SH>> Tell me; when has IBM ever told anybody that OS/2 is not for
 SH>> them? 

 JS> When they said the battle of the desktop is over,

Reference please.

 JS> when they said they OS/2 is not for the home user,

Reference please.

 JS> they would not support the home user,

Reference please.

 JS> when they insured retail outlets 

(That have insurance for retail outlets?)

 JS> did not have OS/2 to sell, and on

Haven't you been listening? People weren't buying OS/2, so stores
stopped stocking it. One of the big facets of retail sales is
organization. Trying to get as much product into the amount of space you
have available to you in a visually appealing way. Why devote a section
to a product that won't sell, when you could use it for more products
that WILL sell?

 SH>> Don't you know about their current new product, WSeB?
[...]
 JS> Yawn.

Oh, pardon me, they're not catering to your individual needs, so it
bores you.

 SH>> They can also get ~$2000 for each license of WSeB, whereas
 SH>> ~$200 for a license for OS/2 Warp for a home user is
 SH>> considered expensive. 

 JS> Yawn!  MS made how much money selling OS for $50 to the home user?

$50? I seem to recall $139 and $80 price tags for 95 and 98. Where do
you shop?

 JS> You sure don't.  Support means to provide for by supplying money and 
 JS> other necessities.  Marketing was not supported by IBM.  

{sigh} Buy a dictionary, or take a marketing course.

 JS> The ship was sinking because IBM did not support it, they didn't WANT 
 JS> the ship to float.

More slander.

 SH>> Do you realize how expensive an ad campaign is? With the 
 SH>> current trend in home users, there's no chance in hell they'll 
 SH>> make it back in Warp revenues.

 JS> MS seems to do very well at it.

MS sells what people WANT. Sell a crap product that looks pretty, but
has flaws. When they release a 'fixpack' for said product, people flock
out to buy it.

MS also gets their product pre-installed on pre-assembled machines.
Things like that drive up the common usage of the product, so people get
used to it. When people know nothing but the WIn'95 interface, they
don't want to change. Schools and businesses will install Win'95 (or
98, now) so that their students/employees won't have to go through a
learning curve.

Microsoft has already done its bit by forcing companies to pre-install
their OSs, and buying/destroying competition. Now the usage of MS OSs is
just spiralling, and they're sitting at the bottom collecting the money.

 SH>> What are they supposed to do, go the way of Microsoft and
 SH>> force them to shelve it? I've talked to computer store
 SH>> owners/managers, and if they don't say "OS-what?" they tell
 SH>> me stories that go something like "I got a case of 100
 SH>> copies of Warp, and 6 months later returned 98 copies to
 SH>> IBM", "I tried to sell Warp, but people went straight to the
 SH>> Microsoft section", "Nobody has shown any interest in OS/2"

 JS> Just more proof that IBM did not in any way support OS/2, ever.

What does that prove? That because IBM didn't (illegally) shove their
product in peoples' faces and down their throats, that they're not
interested in supporting it?

I'm interested in you joining my religion. I'll be at your door every
day at 6:00 AM, 12:00 noon, and 6:00 PM forcing you to read my religious
pamphlets. I will use whatever force neccesary to get into your house,
and when you're not home, I'll fill your mailbox with advertisements.

I guess I'm "just interested in supporting" my religion, right?

 JS>>> IBM NEVER supported OS/2, not for one day.

 SH>>> I hope you're taken to court for libel.

 JS> Hope all you want.  I have a right to my opinion, and to speak it, 
 JS> shout it from the roof tops if I wish.

Judging by this statement, and the above quoted statement, I'm assuming
that you don't understand the libel laws.

"I don't believe that IBM has sufficiently supported OS/2" is an opinion.
"IBM NEVER supported OS/2, not for one day." is a libelous claim.

 SH>> Why would they spend 10's of millions of dollars to develop a 
 SH>> product for several years, which they never intended to 
 SH>> support? 

 JS> Tens of millions is NOTHING to IBM.  They blew THREE BILLION on 
 JS> LOTUS, give me a break.

I was giving an example. Would you like me to request their payroll
documents and accounting records for the development years of OS/2, and
post an exact figure, rounded to the nearest million?

My point was this;

They spent more money than you or I will likely ever see in our entire
lives on a product. Why would they do this if they never intended for
its success?

 SH>>> Linux can NOT be "killed" by any corporation. Not even IBM and
 SH>>> Microsoft combined. You can't kill a product that's source
 SH>>> code is available on millions of sites worldwide.

 JS> True, not as easy to kill a product you don't own as it is to kill 
 JS> your own, however, it is possible to make damn sure the mass market 
 JS> doesn't want the product.  That is done with propaganda (ZIFF-DAVIS 
 JS> propaganda machine - read what Dvorack or whatever the asses name had 
 JS> to say about LINUX, it's on the ZIFF-DAVIS propaganda site)  

{sigh}

Linux does not need a name to move forward. Microsoft has seen the rapid
development of Linux, and it's starting to scare them. They now have an
anti-Linux task force, trying to debunk all claims of Linux's
stabililty. They're paying companies like Mindcraft to do "benchmarks"
comparing the two OSs, in completely unrealistic circumstances, and with
unequal equipment, and with an improperly configured Linux (while a team
of MCSE's worked on the NT machine) - which led to "prove" that NT was
faster than Linux as a server.

Linux is just like musicians. Elvis, Alice Cooper, Ozzy Osbourne,
Marilyn Manson, etc.. The more people post bad publicity about them, the
more popular they get.

If RedHat were to go completely bankrupt tomorrow - fold totally.
Destroy all products, all development, etc.. Linux would not only
survive - it would move PAST it.

Do you know how/why the TCP/IP protocol was designed? It was designed
for the military to transfer data across long distances. In the event of
a nuclear or similar disaster (knocking out one or several major
servers), the data would be re-routed around it and still make its
destination.

Linux is much the same way. There are 10's of 1000's of independant
developers working on Linux every day, worldwide. The only common
language they speak is C/C++.

 JS> I get it from the fact that IBM and INTEL are buying into RedHat.  
 JS> Simple really.

So? They're buying a name. They can't copyright any of the Linux
software currently available (IE and especially the kernel) as it's open
source and licensed under the GPL.

 SH>> You've obviously never heard of SuSE. They've got about 80%
 SH>> of the sold-copy Linux market in Europe, and are rapidly
 SH>> gaining steam in the Americas.

 JS> Nope, never heard of them.  

Then you are uninformed. You speak of Linux as if you're an expert, yet
you don't even know the big names involved.

 JS> I know more than 95% of the people on earth, thats a fact.

Really? I wait with baited breath for your explanation.

 JS> No, they cannot kill linux, nor any other OS.  OS are not living 
 JS> things.  They can stop a company from selling and promoting the 
 JS> thing, simply by buying the damn company.  Linux needs a name behind 
 JS> them to move big time into the market, freeware is not yet ready to 
 JS> take over the computer OS market.

Wrong on both counts.

1) The "name" behind Linux is Linus Torvalds.
2) Linux is not by any means "freeware". Most software for Linux is
Open Source Software. Completely different concept, completely different
development system.

[..More propaganda and ASSumptions deleted..]

 JS> LINUX

{sigh} It is not an acronym. The name of the operating system is Linux.

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   30-Sep-99 04:26:01
  To: Dan Egli                                          01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: SoundBlaster AWE64 not working

 DE> Ok folks, what did I do wrong?

 DE> I D/Led the Beta drivers from Creative Labs, installed MMPM/2 w/
 DE> the 
 DE> AWE32 driver. 

 DE> What did I do wrong?

You're using the wrong driver.

----------------------------Abbeien-----------------------
SB326411.ZIP 1763503 25.02.98  Sound Blaster Drivers SB 16, AWE32, AWE64
                               and Utilities v1.1  Here is Daniel Caetano. I'm
                               a brazilian user of OS/2 and I become
                               concerned with Creative Labs' decision to stop
                               supporting OS/2, bu  once the last (and I mean
                               *the last ones*) drivers are working fin  under
                               OS/2, there is no reason for killing myself.
                               Well... What is this "package"?  This package
                               is a "union" for FOU  packages that Creative
                               labs distributed, but the FOUR have problem  on
                               its instalations. So, I decided to eliminate
                               the problems on     instalation and try to make
                               it easy, too.                             Well,
                               I hope you all enjoy that, because I think this
                               is the last   time that we will see something
                               from Creative for OS/2!               And YES!
                               This is REAL. The support for AWE32 of this
                               version        *WORKS* with all AWE64 Cards on
                               the market up today (24/02/1998). 

----------------------------Abbeien-----------------------

Reading the readme coming with that:

DEVICE=F:\SBOS2\SBAWED2.SYS /N:SBAUD1$ /Q
DEVICE=F:\MMOS2\AUDIOVDD.SYS SBAUD1$

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   30-Sep-99 04:35:03
  To: Jan Danielsson                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: It's NOT over. Period.

 JD>    I want people to think for themselves, and not just listen to
 JD> what Wardell thinks. Everytime someone reposts his post, and add
 JD> the comment "Now it really is over." (or something similar) then
 JD> he gets what he wants. The way I see it, adding a "What do you
 JD> think?" is a much neater approach.

Many years agoo:

It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 2.0 arrives the
world

Some time later:

It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 2.1 arrives the
world

Some time later:

It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 2.11 arrives the
world

Some time later:

It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 WARP 3 arrives the
world

Some time later:

It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 WARP 4 arrives the
world

OS/2 is going on.

Somebody in IBM my cry: OS/2 IS DEAD - But IBM is like other. The left hand
does not know what the right hand is doing,

Independant of that. So long as OS/2 does what I need that it has to do OS/2
is living.

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   30-Sep-99 04:45:26
  To: K. Lindholm                                       01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

 KL> Since ibm.net has been sold to at&t I have a question.  I went
 KL> with ibm.net as an isp since they seemed the logical choice for
 KL> an OS/2 user.  

Dial in to an ISP that has linux or OS/2 running. Ths ISP will NOT run any
properitary service and so you can dial in with any standard dialer you like.

There are thousands around the world.

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   30-Sep-99 04:48:08
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

 RCB>  -=> Quoting Russell Tiedt to All <=-

 RT>> I am trying to install Fixpack 38 for WARP3 to WARP3 CONNECT,
 RT>> but I
 RT>> get the following error on running  "fpinst WARP3"

 RCB> And I need the script for install it from the harddisk,
 RCB> the files extracted from images with diunpack.exe.
----------------------------Abbeien-----------------------
@ECHO OFF
if .%1%==. goto usage
SET CSFUTILPATH=%1%\CSD\CSF
SET CSFCDROMDIR=%1%\CSD\XRGM011

%1%
CD \CSD\CSF
%1%\CSD\CSF\SERVICE.EXE
goto finito

:usage
echo .
echo usage: fixpack x:'
echo .
echo 'where x: is the drive the csd is installed

:finito


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From: Mike Roark                                        29-Sep-99 20:37:21
  To: Dan Egli                                          01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: SoundBlaster AWE64 not working

Hello Dan!

Sunday September 26 1999 00:32, Dan Egli wrote to All:

 DE> Ok.. add /G to the command line. Now it doesn't see the card period.
 DE> Ok, rewrite the config.sys line to as follows:
 DE> device=c:\sbos2\sbawed2.sys /c:1 /d:1 /h:5 /i:5 /A:220 /b:8 /m:330
 DE> /n:SBAUD1$ /P /G

Is there a line directly after this that looks something like
DEVICE=c:\mmos2\audiovdd.sys sbaud$  ??

If so, rem it out, reboot and try it. Your line is pretty much like mine
except I don't want the screen stuff so it ends /q /p /g.

Hope this helps..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 2d 0h 47m 17s 843ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        29-Sep-99 20:46:02
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Virus?

Hello Jonathan!

Thursday September 23 1999 07:51, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Russell
Tiedt:


 JP> It's not the address books that are the problem.  It's the whole
 JP> design.

 JP> The category of viruses that propagate as attachments to mail messages
 JP> will have no effect on OS/2 Warp *whatsoever*.

Sure it does!! Have one of your windows friends over to your house, and run a
virus scanner over some of them! Panic starts with the first hit. I've got one 
special directory that I keep for such things. Better yet, try running
something like Happy99.exe from the command line.. Oops, Darn, I get a win32
error..


 JP> reasons OS/2 viruses are difficult to write), but OS/2 is immune from
 JP> the now most popular form of virus found in the wild because of IBM's
 JP> decision not to support Win32.

Oh gees, Bad luck again.. ;-)


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 2d 0h 56m 55s 687ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        29-Sep-99 20:53:01
  To: Murray Lesser                                     01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: IBM going broke?

Hello Murray!

Sunday September 26 1999 20:07, Murray Lesser wrote to Bryan Schwartz:

 ML>     This shareholder, for one, is still happy.  Being educated as an
 ML> engineer and having 50-years experience in the use and design of
 ML> computers, I understand what IBM is selling.  (You might, too, if you
 ML> read IBM's annual reports and understood the business, instead of
 ML> paying attention to technically ignorant financial reporters'
 ML> nonsense.)  While I believe that the current market overvalues all
 ML> "technology" stocks, particularly those of the money-losing "internet"
 ML> companies, I don't think your report will lead me to sell my IBM
 ML> stock.  Anyway, I couldn't afford to pay the capital gains taxes :-).

I'll bet you got in on the original offering at probably around say $5 or so
per share? And it's split, and gone up and split and gone up and split and
gone up....... Talk about a *LOT* of taxes..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 2d 1h 06m 32s 968ms (en).

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From: George White                                      28-Sep-99 10:23:27
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

Hi Rodrigo,

On 27-Sep-99, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Jack Stein:



 JS>> I like k,m and g for the small ones, K,M, and G for the big
 JS>> ones...

 RCB> I like that way, too.

And that gets all the engineers laughing at when they see a
300mHz processor (m = milli = 10^-3).
Case for differentiation between 1000 and 1024 is not viable because
of existing SI standard usage. You'll just have to get used to the
usage Jonathan posted...


George

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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Sep-99 14:43:00
  To: Paul Hildebrandt                                  01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: ibmgradd

PH>My system is still stuck in 16 color mode because there's no OS/2 support
fo
PH>the Voodoo 3 card.

Have you tried the Gradd VESA drivers?  They aren't fast, but should
give you access to higher resolutions and color depths.  Also, if you
are a gamer, the new TNT2 cards apparently have drivers for OS/2.  They
are Gradd based, but I haven't heard anything about how they perform.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Sep-99 15:39:01
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: OS/2 Support

JS> RB> Oddly enough, my bank branch updated all their machines
JS> RB> about a year ago, they have 100% OS/2 warp desktops in the
JS> RB> branch.

JS>Your bank is highly unusual I think.

Toronto Dominion, one of the big 5 (four?) banks here in Canada.

JS>Sorry, I must have missed those days...  I was heavy into computing then
too
JS>wonder how it slipped by me... Oh, the nun commercials, I
JS>remember those lame ads, it was a waste of money if the
JS>objective was to promote OS/2.

Actually I was thinking of the other series of ads that showed people
oohing and aahing over OS/2 desktops.  They got quite a bit of play on
CNN at the time.

JS> RB> Go to a smaller place, custom pick your components, it isn't
JS> RB> that hard. The only tricky part is video card and printer,

JS>And the sound card, and the mother-board/chip set, and the
JS>CD burner, and, hell, I've been looking at this stuff, it's
JS>a mess.

You've had trouble with motherboard chipsets?  Pick an Intel one.  Via
is also supported if you get the DANIS IDE driver.  I actually haven't
heard of anyone with a motherboard that won't work with OS/2 unless it
has built in video that can't be disabled and doesn't have OS/2 drivers.
I'm looking at a new Abit BP6 with dual celerons for my next upgrade.
The ATA66 disk controller on the board apparently doesn't work, but
that's not for a lack of drivers, it's just that the controller doesn't
work (on Windows, Linux or OS/2.) Set it to a slower transfer mode with
the standard OS/2 IDE drivers and it is fine. For a CD burner, pick a
SCSI one if you want free software, or pretty much any one if you are
willing to pay for RSJ's CD recorder software. I bought a SCSI drive a
while back because the IDE ones at the time were renowned for
unreliability. There are lists of supported drives on both product's
websites. Crystal sound cards are good.  If you're cheap, pick up a
Soundblaster 16, they're about $35 now.

There are lots of resources to find out what hardware to buy, and even
some for what *not* to buy.  Check out IBM's driver website, it is
pretty extensive.  For things like scanners and CD-R drives, look at
the software manufacturers website.  There aren't a lot of software
choices, so that makes it easier to find out what hardware is supported.
If there's anything you are unsure of, post a question here, we have
lots of expertise to share.

Rob.
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  30-Sep-99 16:41:21
  To: Paul Hildebrandt                                  01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: ibmgradd

Hello Paul!

28 Sep 99 23:13, Paul Hildebrandt wrote to All:
 PH> Does any1 know if this has been upgraded in the last while?
    Latest stable is 0.80. Or try SDD/2. www.scitechsoft.com.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... OS/2: Bill Gates' worst nightmare!
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Sep-99 04:51:00
  To: ROY J. TELLASON                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: system clock?

Some senseless babbling from Roy J. Tellason to All
on 09-29-99  16:43 about system clock?...

 RJT> At one point here I had the "system clock" showing up on the desktop.
 RJT> Not only is it not there any more,  but I can't even seem to find an
 RJT> icon in the current setup to access it!

 RJT> Can somebody point me to the right file here (Warp Connect),  and
 RJT> suggest what I'd need to do to re-create the icon in its default
 RJT> location? 

/* Re-create clock object */
call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs','RexxUtil','SysLoadFuncs'
call SysLoadFuncs

class='WPClock'
name='System Clock'
loc='<WP_CONFIG>'
options='OBJECTID=<WP_CLOCK>'

check=SysCreateObject(class,name,loc,options,'U')
if check=1 then say name||' created.'
else say name||' *not* created.'
/* end */

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... Microsoft Windows... DOS with a mouse pointer.

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                30-Sep-99 23:01:29
  To: Jack Stein                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

29 Sep 99 08:32, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>> DOS is the lowest common denominator. Problem with your
 SH>> 32-bit OS? Boot a DOS floppy to fix it.

 JS> I've never booted DOS, any version to fix my 32 bit OS, not once, not 
 JS> in I guess 9 years.  Why would one do something like that?

With three OSs installed on my machine, I find it handy to boot to a DOS
floppy for partition work. (Each of the OSs was installed after another
one was already using all available space).

I *COULD* use PQMagic while booted to OS/2, say, but I don't trust
partition manipulation while I'm booted to the HDD.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

... Why can't you be a non-conformist like everyone else?
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                30-Sep-99 23:05:12
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: ibmgradd

30 Sep 99 16:41, Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Paul Hildebrandt:

 CV> Latest stable is 0.80. Or try SDD/2. www.scitechsoft.com.

I refuse to pay for a video driver when there are alternatives.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Murray Lesser                                     01-Oct-99 09:03:00
  To: Gord Hannah                                       01-Oct-99 09:03:00
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-29-99, Gord Hannah to Murray Lesser)

Hi Gord--

 ML>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2
 ML> dialer. 

JS> Neither does anyone else on earth, far as I know, so what?

GH>I agree with Jack on this call, my ISP does not support OS/2 either
  >so here is what you need to do, if using DOIP or Injoy find out the
  >IP address, Gateway, domain name smtp stuff, and change your phone
  >number that you need to access the service, voila you are up and
  >running, it is that simple at least it was for me on my end.

    I don't "agree with Jack on this call" and have told him so.  The
first version of the "native OS/2" dialer DIALER.EXE came with Warp 3.
It used to connect directly to ibm.net, and all I had to furnish was the
telephone number that I wished to use for access (available from
PHONE.LST).  I survived the switch to AT&T by notifying ibm.net (done on
28 September) that I didn't want to be switched to WorldNet, but wished
to be switched to AT&T Business Internet Service.

    Here it is on the morning of October 1, and my same IBM-furnished
"native OS/2" DIALER.EXE pointing at my old local ibm.net phone number
connected me to AT&T Business Net with no difficulty.  It even updated
my "USER ID" object.  I had enabled DIALTEXT.LOG for this call, which
recorded the entire dialing sequence, just in case the USER ID object
(actually part of a DLL) wasn't updated.  Since you have never used
DIALER.TXT, you don't know that the User ID object gives my internet
address and the server addresses (pop3 and smtp) being used.  I used my
MR/2 ICE off-line reader/writer to send a message to my "alias" e-mail
address, which returned it to my ibm.net address and was returned
(forwarded to me at attglobal.net) as part of the same call.  MR/2 ICE
was not updated to the new addresses, so was working with the automatic
forwarding from ibm.net.  VMODEM connected me to Pete Norloff's OS/2
Shareware BBS from which I downloaded my Fido conferences.

    So I guess I am in business with AT&T Business Network with my
(nonexistent!) OS/2 dialer, just as advertised :-).  I gather that I
have a year to update my reader/writer.  Now, I will have to download
the new "terms and conditions" text to see how much this is going to
cost me.

GH>Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

    It didn't, but thanks anyway.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     01-Oct-99 10:39:01
  To: John Thompson                                     01-Oct-99 10:39:01
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-29-99, John Thompson to Murray Lesser)

Hi John--

ML>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer. If you
ML>      are an OS/2 customer, please click here
ML>      http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer of
ML>      AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2
ML>      dialer.  [Note:  I have no idea as to whether or not Injoy can
ML>      access WorldNet, nor do I care very much.]
ML> 
ML>     It appears that the newly constituted AT&T Business Internet
ML> Services will provide "the technology" (and services available) of the
ML> former IBM Internet Connection Services (prices not quoted).  I gather
ML> that I must point my browser to the page mentioned before Oct 1, or I
ML> will be swept automatically into WorldNet, which I will be unable to
ML> access :-(.

JT>You can get a run-down on the AT&T Business Internet Services plans
  >at http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_planinfo.html

    I didn't look at that one, but perhaps I should have.

JT>If I've comprehended The Announcement and the plan descriptions
  >properly, if you choose to go wth AT&T Business Services to continue
  >to use the ibm.net OS/2 dialer (hey, it really is a nice dialer,
  >IMHO), etc.

    I have had two correspondents (you may have noticed them) who
assured me that there was no such thing as an OS/2 dialer :-(.  I like
it, too.  I chose to not be put on WorldNet, and this morning (Oct 1) my
dialer (pointed at the same local ibm.net telephone number) connected to
what must be AT&T Business Net.  My User ID object was updated, telling
me that I now had an attglobal.net address, and giving me the server
addresses I needed to handle e-mail.  (I had enabled DIALTEXT.LOG just
to make sure I got all these addresses, in case User ID wasn't updated.)
Everything else worked fine, except that I will have to update my
off-line e-mail reader/writer (MR/2 ICE) before the year of automatic
forwarding runs out.  (This test showed that there is forwarding from
pop3 and smtp addresses, also.)

JT>        ... you will probably get the "Comprehensive" plan (assuming
  >you weren't using one of the ibm.net limited plans before)...

     I was using the BASIC plan: $4.95/month for 3 hours, which is
usually sufficient.  (I used 1.87 hours on the Internet last month, of
which 0.90 hours were connected to ibm.net through the 1-800 number (6
cents per 36 seconds, or fraction thereof).  I guess I didn't download
any software, but I did spend 22 minutes on the 29th getting frustrated
with the World Wide Wait while I was trying to refuse being sent to
WorldNet come the big changeover!)  Eventually, I will get up my courage
and tackle the Web again to get AT&T's "terms and conditions" stuff and
see what I am paying!

JT> ...This plan appears to be essentially the same as what ibm.net had
  >been offering; ie US$19.95/month, 6 email id's, no web space, US$9.00
  >surcharge for "global roaming" (it's not clear but I assume this only
  >applies outside your base area, eg outside North and South America
  >for USA customers, outside Europe/Africa for European customoers,
  >etc.  just like ibm.net has been for the last year or so).  Some good
  >changes are 150hrs/month instead of the current 100hrs/month with
  >ibm.net and 6MB email storage email ID vs 3MB under the present plan.

    I think the ibm.net "local" region was US and Canada, with South and
Central America being another region.  I haven't had to "roam" yet, but
only because I didn't bother connecting while I was in the Galapagos
last year (satellite telephone charges from the boat were more than I
felt it was worth to talk to you people!)

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     01-Oct-99 10:43:02
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 10:43:02
Subj: It really isn't over!

Hi All--

    The following is excerpted from the "IBM  e-business  and  Software
News  Alert" e-mail marketing newsletter for 30 September 1999:

  New Features Coming for OS/2 Warp 4, WorkSpace
  On-Demand, and Warp Server for e-business

 http://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/usalets&parms=H_299-276

  During the next 15 months, IBM will release many
  new features for OS/2* Warp 4, WorkSpace
  On-Demand*, and Warp Server* for e-business. These
  features will be available only through
  subscription to IBM Software Choice and software
  subscriptions to Passport Advantage. Read about
  the new features and planned release dates.

    Take heart, you pessimists;  OS/2 isn't dead yet :-).  However,
reading between the lines of the above notice (without having looked at
the Web site cited), it would appear that these new features are not
going to be for free :-(.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Will Honea                                        01-Oct-99 19:41:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Oct-99 19:41:00
Subj: Java 1.1.8 and some usef

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Jaap Van Veen on 09-29-1999

CV>     5) Enter in command line
CV>         clifi /a:b /r:java118.rsp
CV>     And got "present" :) on desktop.
CV>     Using this object you can install java's componets without Netscape.
CV> Semi-manually :)
CV>     This method is very useful for installation any product 
CV> which contains .RSP
CV> files. IBM TCP/IP 4.1 with all features onto Warp 3 without LAN
CV> Server for example. 

I thought I was the only one who resorted to this little goody!  Would
you happen to have any documentation (or a source for same) on the
clifi program?

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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