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From: Bas Heijermans                                    24-Sep-99 10:28:14
  To: Holger Granholm                                   26-Sep-99 11:31:03
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Holger Granholm made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Holger,

 HG> Tell me more!  What's your problem?  Running NS 2.02 here
 HG> without any apparent problems.

BH>I have most of all FTP-aborts and NS-crashes.

 HG> First of all, for FTP from normal ftp servers I use
 HG> FTPBrowser and it works very well. Whenever I want a file
 HG> from a www server I of course use NS and have no
 HG> difficulties nor any crashes.

 HG> I don't think your difficulties FTPing files with NS can be
 HG> blamed on which video controller you are using.

I haven't blamed it on the videocard, Kris steenhaut did.
NS does the same thing on various machines and by lot's op people.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    24-Sep-99 08:35:08
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Sep-99 11:31:03
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hello Eddy,
maandag 20 september 1999 20.03, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 ET> Hello Kris,

 ET> 15 Sep 99 09:17, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 ET>>> I've a Logitech mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel which
 ET>>> acts also as a third button (by pressing it down), I have an OS/2
 ET>>> mouse driver with support for the scroll wheel:

 KS>> Do I read it right: you can use the 3th buttom as 3th button by
 KS>> pressing it down, and also you can use the scrolling up and down
 KS>> feature?

 ET> Yes, you read that correctly. :-)

Glad to know. Thanks!



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Daniela Engert                                    24-Sep-99 18:31:23
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  26-Sep-99 23:20:00
Subj: Iomega ZIP

Hi Leonard!

Thus quoth Leonard Erickson to Daniela Engert:

 LE> My SCSI ZIP works, but it acts as a *non*-removable drive. Any idea what
I need to change?

Sorry, no. At boot time OS2DASD scans the registered ADDs for the devices they 
control and their capabilities. Your SCSI ADD is responsible for gathering
this info from the attached hardware, and reporting it to OS2DASD. Thus I'd
expect the origin of your problem is in one of these:

- the SCSI-ZIP fails to identify itself as a removable DASD
- the driver fails to construct the proper data for OS2DASD
- the SCSI-HA BIOS (if present) has an override switch which the ADD honours

bye, Dani

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From: Bryan Rubingh                                     27-Sep-99 09:56:00
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 09:56:00
Subj: 1868 & IDE port


I installed a ESS1868 sound card.  How do I get the IDE
port to work under Warp 3.0?  The sound works fine with the
1868 drivers but I can't get the IDE port to work.  Under
DOS it requires a device driver which enables the port.  Is
there such a program for OS/2?

  Thanks,
  Bryan Rubingh


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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  27-Sep-99 12:07:12
  To: Charles Bowman                                    27-Sep-99 11:46:26
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hello Charles!

13 Sep 99 22:40, Charles Bowman wrote to All:
 CB> I've been trying to get my Warp 4.0 setup moved on to a new WD 27.3
 CB> gig drive, unfortunately fdisk doesn't seem to cooperate.
    Try IDE drivers from latest idedasd.zip.

Bye!
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  27-Sep-99 09:38:19
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  27-Sep-99 11:46:26
Subj: serial hassles

Hello Leonard!

24 Sep 99 22:50, Leonard Erickson wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>> Which modem? USR?
 LE> It's a USR modem. Sportster v.90 fax.
    AFAIK all USR modems has annoyng feature. They are store port speed in
NVRAM. Try to use at&w command for NVRAm refresh.


Bye!
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From: Rob Basler                                        27-Sep-99 10:13:00
  To: Charles Bowman                                    27-Sep-99 19:40:01
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

CB>I've been trying to get my Warp 4.0 setup moved on to a new WD 27.3
CB>gig drive, unfortunately fdisk doesn't seem to cooperate.

CB>What is the upper limit?  My bios is using LBA and it sees the entire
drive.
CB>I can access all of it if I load Warp on another drive (4 gig).

The last time I checked, the entire boot partition had to be within the
first 4G (1024 cylinders) of the drive.  If not, OS/2 won't install onto
it. OS/2 should be able to read the entire drive no problem, but if you
want to boot off it, you'll need at least 2 partitions.

Rob.
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From: Steve McCrystal                                   26-Sep-99 08:33:24
  To: Holger Granholm                                   27-Sep-99 19:40:01
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Thursday September 23 1999>, Holger Granholm writes to Kris
Steenhaut:
;
Holger,

 HG>> Tell me more!  What's your problem?  Running NS 2.02 here
 HG>> without any apparent problems.

 KS>> Let me have a guess: you don't have a Matrox Video, do you?

 HG> YES!!!

As do I, and I likewise have no problems with either flavor of Netscape that
is not or was not caused by Netscape itself.   Once the guys at IBM/Netscape
fixed their problems, and said so, Neyscape works just fine, as have the
Matrox drivers since 2.20.  I'll admit there was a cosmetic problem with the
2.30 release, the first to include support for the G-400, when running them on 
a G-200, but it was purely cosmetic, and WAS fixed.

As I mentioned earlier, some folks understand what BETA means, Kris
(apparently) does not. :(

-[Steve]-

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From: George White                                      25-Sep-99 10:04:21
  To: Louis Aubree                                      27-Sep-99 19:40:01
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 wa

Hi Louis,

On 17-Sep-99, Louis Aubree wrote to George White:

 LA> You wrote about expected ADSL services in G.B. :

 GW>> From a current UK magazine (Computer Shopper - Cover date Oct
 GW>> 1999, page 487).

 GW>> "BT has now committed to a date for its much anticipated ADSL
 GW>> service, although technical hitches may well crop up to add
 GW>> delays.

 GW>> From March 2000, the service is expected to be offered from more
 GW>> than 400 digital exchanges, covering around a quarter of the
 GW>> population. The company expects that most large cities will be
 GW>> covered by 2002. With services priced from 30UKP per month and
 GW>> streams of 512Kbit/s, 2Mbit/s and 2.5Mbit/s, ADSL will almost
 GW>> certainly mean the end of IDSN."

 LA> It's not "IDSN", it's "ISDN". ISDN is more than mere data lines,
 LA> it has also many features for workplaces.

That was just finger dislexia :-). (and poor proof-reading :-( ).
In what way is ISDN "more than mere data lines"?
Over here BT has something called "Home Highway", which is a slightly
limited version of the full IDSN package marketed via a different
internal division at a cost effectively very little less than the full
ISDN. I understand that to install "Home Highway" BT runs a test on
the existing copper link back to the exchange and if it's good enough
changes the line interface module at the exchange and allocates 2 extra
telephone numbers to you. And that's all there is to it for them (plus
nearly trippling the line rental charges). The customer has to install
an ISDN modem/interface at their end and off they go.

 LA> Also, ISDN has a _guaranteed_ (steady) data flow speed from end to
 LA> end and a guaranteed delivery, and even is less prone to
 LA> eavesdrop, all of this when using ISDN from end to end.

Maybe for you. BT guarantee very little (except that they will bill
you at regular intervals!).

 LA> What is threatened by ADSL is _Internet access_ through ISDN.

I only quoted the article, that was the journalists interpretation,
not mine.

 GW>> Although it doesn't say so, I suspect calls will still be charged
 GW>> on the same basis as at present.

 LA> Hum! ADSL has a quite different logic. Instead of exclusive use of
 LA> a small pipe from end to end, it has _shared_ use of big lines
 LA> with data sent in packets. So the logic of ADSL is to pay for the
 LA> data volume, not for the time spent.

BT will still find a way to rip the customer off... :-( :-(

George
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From: Chris Martin                                      25-Sep-99 20:39:16
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   27-Sep-99 22:38:03
Subj: 4x4 drives

Once upon a time, out on MARS.

While reading the mail, wispering this:

LE>  -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Will Honea <=-

 RJT> If I was going to leave them where they were and try to make some sort
 RJT> of usable Linux kernel driver for these things,  it would almost *have
 RJT> to* have some seriously nontrivial caching involved in it.  I have
 RJT> been pointed at a code snippet that allows selection of which disc,
 RJT> but that's a long ways from what's needed in there.

LE> Well, I think that for a BBS or even a very active web page, I'd go
LE> with something like the gizmo I picked up at a swap meet a few months
LE> back.

LE> It's a box with 4 CD-ROM drive, and some sort of interface board. I
LE> bought it for the case so I didn't notice it wasn't SCSI until I got it
LE> home.

LE> But individual drives, rather than changers is the only rational way to
LE> go for any kind of even moderately heavy use. Changers are ok if you
LE> just don't want to keep swapping CDs when you switch applications or
LE> switch windows.

I have a 4bay tower of 1x CD's (with p/s, controller card, Drivers
for Dos/Win3+9x/OS2) all use disk cartridge hoders (4 included)
and the cable. The controller can daisey-chain up to 8 drives of
the card, and multiple cards can be used. Will sell it to ya if
interested. Drives are Hitachi CDR-360U's. Might even be able to
get a line on a second 4bay tower, too.


Chris Martin, marsbbs@gte.net
The MARS Station BBS

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    27-Sep-99 10:48:21
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 22:38:03
Subj: Sio

Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Eddy,

BH> I use ISDN now, works far better than all analog stuff.

 ET> ISDN is here twice the monthly cost (because ISDN gives two
 ET> separate lines). I don't need two lines. If there was an
 ET> ISDN variant with just one line and equal monthly costs as
 ET> one analog telephone line, I would choose that ISDN variant
 ET> with one line.

It's only the monthly-fee that's twice as much, it's here not that high.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    27-Sep-99 13:52:04
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Sep-99 22:38:03
Subj: Iomega Zip

Eddy Thilleman made noise to Kris Steenhaut:

Hi Eddy,

ET>> I'm running the Matrox v2.21 video driver at 1280x102 at 32-bits.

KS> The 2.21 don't work anymore here, probably coz they don't cope with
KS> the 2.6 bios and FP9.

 ET> I'm using the Matrox BIOS v2.3

I'm using 2.6 as well with the 2.20.060 drivers, works fine.
I had some problems with the 2.23 drivers, my experiance is that newer drivers 
are not equal to better:-)
Kris wants us to believe that Matrox is the worst card on this planet and he
advises S3 and ATI:-)
Will he be in for a supprise, ATI doesn't support OS/2 at all anymore and S3
has allways been a mess with drivers, Matrox rules OS/2!!!!!:-)

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Charles Bowman                                    27-Sep-99 17:44:27
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  28-Sep-99 01:18:20
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 CB> I've been trying to get my Warp 4.0 setup moved on to a new WD 27.3
 CB> gig drive, unfortunately fdisk doesn't seem to cooperate.
 CV>     Try IDE drivers from latest idedasd.zip.

Thanks Cyrill, tried that and it still didn't work.  FWIW NT 4.0 seems
to have the same problem.  It is funny though because the Bios sees it
all.  When I run os/2's fdisk it shows the entire extended partition as
Type F (if that says anything).  I have to assume that OS/2 just can't
handle drives this big yet, hopefully it will be updated in the near
future.  

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From: Will Honea                                        28-Sep-99 00:56:00
  To: Charles Bowman                                    28-Sep-99 00:56:00
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Charles Bowman wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev on 09-27-1999

CB> Thanks Cyrill, tried that and it still didn't work.  FWIW NT 4.0
CB> seems to have the same problem.  It is funny though because the Bios
CB> sees it all.  When I run os/2's fdisk it shows the entire extended
CB> partition as Type F (if that says anything).  I have to assume that
CB> OS/2 just can't handle drives this big yet, hopefully it will be
CB> updated in the near future.   

It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it as
a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.  You
can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: George White                                      26-Sep-99 10:43:22
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Sep-99 04:45:27
Subj: Sio

Hi Eddy,

On 22-Sep-99, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Bas Heijermans:

 BH>> I use ISDN now, works far better than all analog stuff.

 ET> ISDN is here twice the monthly cost (because ISDN gives two
 ET> separate lines). I don't need two lines. If there was an ISDN
 ET> variant with just one line and equal monthly costs as one analog
 ET> telephone line, I would choose that ISDN variant with one line

You're lucky. Over here BT charge home customers nearly as much rental
_per_ _month_ for their "Home Highway" ISDN service as they do per
_quarter_ for a normal single line :-(. The _major_ reason I don't
even think about having it myself...

George

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From: George White                                      26-Sep-99 11:15:11
  To: Louis Aubree                                      28-Sep-99 04:45:27
Subj: Modem Upgrade?

Hi Louis,

On 22-Sep-99, Louis Aubree wrote to Andy Roberts:

 LA>>> Well, USR Courier owners were very happy with upgrades to higher
 LA>>> speeds during the past years. But is there any way left for
 LA>>> speed upgrade now ? (on plain old telephone service, of course,
 LA>>> cause cable and ADSL modems are much different and no upgrade
 LA>>> from POTS to these new devices.

 AR>> I've heard that same question asked many times over the years in
 AR>> respect to every speed from 50 baud up.  The answer is always yes
 AR>> there will be major improvements, eventually.  Since you used the
 AR>> word "now", the solution is probably limited to V.90 and making
 AR>> sure your line condition is peak.

 LA> The theoretical maximal speed of V90 is 56 kbps. That's quite
 LA> close to the 64 kbps used in the public phone switches. The next
 LA> step through these switches is ISDN. (No simple upgrade, I think).
 LA> The other step using the phone subscriber loop (without the
 LA> existing public switches) is ADSL. As ADSL use higher frequencies
 LA> on the subscriber loop, and needs large bandwidth on the computer
 LA> side, I don't see it as a way to improve any current V90 modem.
 LA> Anyway, ADSL seems to be a break with former modem technologies.

Other than 56knbs both ways, but for most people the uplink speed
isn't really important - just the downlink speed and, like you, I can
see no way that can be increased within the standard ananlgue
subscriber loop.

 AR>> There is another option that has nothing to do with POTS nor ADSL
 AR>> nor Cable. The new service uses the A/C Mains wiring or I should
 AR>> say the field around the powered wiring as the transmission
 AR>> medium. Test devices were capable of better than T1 bandwidth.
 AR>> The remote end device seemed to be a combination of
 AR>> isolator/radio/dem (not modem) since it was just a de-modulator
 AR>> or receiver not transmitter. Comparisons were made to the Cable
 AR>> as far as application.

It actually uses the mains wiring - it's presence in the field
surrounding the wiring is merely a result of the laws of
electro-magnetism.

 LA> I read that tests are under way somewhere in G.B. Bypasses are
 LA> needed around every transformer on the way, because they are
 LA> rather like screens to the high frequencies. I would say that the
 LA> signals are in the ADSL class, but the medium (A/C mains) is
 LA> shared with all the neigbouring, just like for TV Cable.

I seem to recall reading somewhere in the business pages of one of the
daily papers recently that they were abandoning the trials as the cost
of implementation meant that they could not undercut other telecoms
suppliers enough to get the cost advantage they needed to get enough
subscribers.

 AR>> Another alternative that has already been established in several
 AR>> cities is the wireless modem, similar to Cellular Telephone. Last
 AR>> I checked it was almost cost prohibitive as far as end user
 AR>> pricing.  <....snip...>

Again, according to an article in the same paper a company in
Cambridge is developing a system similar to the one you describe
below. Each node communicates with several other adjacent ones (I can't
remember how many - up to 5?) and the bandwidth available allows real
time video. Apparently significant interest in the system (and as my
father will have thrown the paper away by now I can't go back and
check it - sorry!).

 LA> The radio subscriber loop is a strong candidate here for
 LA> alternative new telephone operators. Small dish antennas and high
 LA> GHz radio bands are contemplated. I hope they'd think to variable
 LA> data rate or shared download way, something like that. Nothing
 LA> available so far.


George

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From: Scott Jones                                       28-Sep-99 03:26:23
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Sep-99 09:20:25
Subj: Re: Video Cards

-=> Stewart Honsberger wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 SJ> http://www.leo.org/pub/comp/os/os2/leo/drivers/display/s3-virge.zip
 SJ> The drivers are dated 1 June 99.

 SH> I'm using them now, but I don't notice much difference. DOS full
 SH> screens will still occasionally lock up (IE: BlueWave/386), and
 SH> graphical DOS games will shut down the GUI.

The most common problem I had with them (actually, any level of the S3
drivers) was with Netscape tanking with a SYS3175 in IBMS332.DLL.  Five
times in five minutes got to be a bit much for me. ;)

 SJ> Haven't had that problem, myself.  The most graphics-intensive game I
 SJ> play is Quake with a couple of heavy total conversions.

 SH> The one that usually does it to me is IndyCar 2. When I run it in
 SH> "normal" mode, the WPS comes back just fine. When I run it in high-res
 SH> mode, the WPS just blanks out.

With the stock drivers, I did have a problem when exiting Doom Legacy,
which would lock the WPS hard.  Same went for anything that uses DIVE,
esp. fullscreen DIVE (e.g., Hexen/2, Entrepeneur).

 SJ> Moving to the accelerated GRADD drivers jumped me up to about 50 FPS
 SJ> (both at 320x200).

 SH> Hmm.. I might try GRADD again, but I seem to recall having problems
 SH> with them locking up spontaneously. GRADD can be found on Hobbes, no?

No.  The only GRADD drivers there which would apply to the S3 is an
older copy that someone had pulled from Testcase back in June (v0.80 was
released last month).

 SJ> The only problem I have is the same as everyone else - v0.80 has a
 SJ> memory leak.  But with 256MB of RAM, it takes a while to become
 SJ> intolerable. ;)

 SH> Heh.. I hope it doesn't become intolerable too soon with 64 megs!

It looks to be more like a combination of the GRADD drivers and (what
else?) Netscape.  It was pretty intolerable after a while running NC
4.04, but things seem to have improved with the 4.61 GA.  I've been
running it almost continuously for the past 20 hours with no performance
degradation, and it seems to release all memory when I shut it down.

 SJ> Couldn't hurt, though you *might* want to wait until the next
 SJ> revision comes out, which will hopefully plug that leak.

 SH> Yeah, I'll keep that in mind.

 SH> BTW; Does GRADD have a homepage? (It's a product of IBM, right?)

Yup, and being IBM, they make it darned difficult to find it via their
regular webpages.  You can d/l it directly at:

ftp://service.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/videopak/graddbb/gradd080.exe.

It's a self-extractor, and can be applied straight from your HD.  If you
decide later to apply it from your FD, the diskette will need to be
labeled "GRADD 1" (no quotes).

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  28-Sep-99 14:06:23
  To: Charles Bowman                                    28-Sep-99 15:23:27
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hello Charles!

27 Sep 99 17:44, Charles Bowman wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CB>> I've been trying to get my Warp 4.0 setup moved on to a new WD
 CB>> 27.3 gig drive, unfortunately fdisk doesn't seem to cooperate.
 CV>>     Try IDE drivers from latest idedasd.zip.
 CB> Thanks Cyrill, tried that and it still didn't work.
    Try to apply file os2ldr from fixpack 5 or later to installation diskettes

Bye!
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From: paul marwick                                      28-Sep-99 08:30:08
  To: Don Guy                                           28-Sep-99 22:53:03
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hi Don

Replying to a message of Don Guy to All:

 DG> Has anybody tried one of these beasties under OS/2?  I love the look
 DG> and feel of them, but Logitech doesn't offer any drivers for OSs
 DG> other than Windows and Mac...  I'm not particularly keen on shelling
 DG> out for one of them if it's not going to work under the OS I spend
 DG> 90% of my time in...

I've been using one for several years (and an older Trackman before that).
Works very  well indeed.

The standard mouse driver has no problem with it, but only gives you two
buttons. RODENT.SYS can be used to allow all three butons to work..

I've just got a Trackman Marble + (which has a scroll button). Haven't tried
it yet with the scrollms driver, but I will be soon.

They're exensive (here at least), but the quality makes them well worth the
price.

regards, paul

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From: Andy Roberts                                      28-Sep-99 11:04:02
  To: George White                                      28-Sep-99 22:53:04
Subj: Modem Upgrade?

 George White,

26-Sep-99 11:15:23, George White wrote to Louis Aubree
 GW> On 22-Sep-99, Louis Aubree wrote to Andy Roberts:
          Subject: Modem Upgrade?

 AR>>> There is another option that has nothing to do with POTS nor
 AR>>> ADSL nor Cable.  The new service uses the A/C Mains wiring or I
 AR>>> should say the field around the powered wiring as the
 AR>>> transmission medium.  Test devices were capable of better than T1
 AR>>> bandwidth.  The remote end device seemed to be a combination of
 AR>>> isolator/radio/dem (not modem) since it was just a de-modulator
 AR>>> or receiver not transmitter.  Comparisons were made to the Cable
 AR>>> as far as application.

 GW> It actually uses the mains wiring - it's presence in the field
 GW> surrounding the wiring is merely a result of the laws of
 GW> electro-magnetism.

The report I saw made a big point of noting that it used the field surrounding
the powered wire and not the wire itself.  And that was the reason they had
success with long distance transmissions through several transformers with no
additional RF bypass devices at those transformers or substations.  The limit
was the territory served by the same grid from a single power source (usually
a very large area covering several cities and sometimes many states.)  That
issue is significantly different than what Louis Aubree is referring to below.

 LA>> I read that tests are under way somewhere in G.B.  Bypasses are
 LA>> needed around every transformer on the way, because they are
 LA>> rather like screens to the high frequencies.  I would say that the
 LA>> signals are in the ADSL class, but the medium (A/C mains) is
 LA>> shared with all the neigbouring, just like for TV Cable.

Yes, the recent report I saw mentioned that the signal carried the same data
to all end users and that which portion of the data was actually passed
through the remote end user device was digitally selected.  IMO that sounds a
lot like ethernet or a Sat TV descrambler.

 GW> I seem to recall reading somewhere in the business pages of one of
 GW> the daily papers recently that they were abandoning the trials as
 GW> the cost of implementation meant that they could not undercut
 GW> other telecoms suppliers enough to get the cost advantage they
 GW> needed to get enough subscribers.

Yes, I read that same thing about the service Louis Aubree is referring to,
which has actually been used to a small degree for over a decade.  I think the
primary use of that service was to allow the power company to read digital
meters and remotely control heavy demand non-critical loads for some big
businesses.  That's not the same as the very recent report I saw only a few
weeks ago.  I can only assume someone found a new solution to the old problem.
In the new report I saw, it even mentioned that this new service does not
interfere in any way with other A/C Mains nor RF communication services.

In reference to why the new service is receive only the reason was given that
the transmitter is very similar to a broadcast radio or TV transmitter, in
that it uses very high voltage and is very expensive.  1 difference was sited
that it does not use conventional continuous FM nor AM modulation, but rather
a pulsed data packet.

I wish I had saved the recent report I saw for more accurate reference.  At
the time I saw it; I did not realize at first that it was so unique.  Part of
the technology seemed to me to be similar to the old (and now probably
obsolete due to better fiber optic) trans-Atlantic copper cable transmission,
which IIRC also used the "field" moreso than the copper.  And the pulsed
packet part of the technology seemed to me to be a lot like the X-10 (remote
control and automation) signals that are inserted on the A/C Mains with very
critical timing.  Of course I'm just picking those 2 references out of
devices I am already familiar with to some extent (not what was mentioned in
the report.)  Again from my own experience I know X-10 signals (usually about
5 volts) are stopped dead at the 1st transformer.  But 1 odd thing about X-10
signals is that they will sometimes work across both legs of the A/C Mains,
even without an additional bridge, although the signal is inserted onto only
1 leg of the A/C Mains.  That phenomenon seems to me to have something to do
with relatively long (500+') wiring runs that have both legs of the A/C Mains
and may have something to do with impedance coupling in those long wires,
rather than the capacitive coupling of the normal bridge device.

Anyway whatever technology this new service is using, I'll have to assume it
is something unique that is not just an extension of old existing technology.
Perhaps a combination of 4 or more previously used communication systems.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Charles Bowman                                    28-Sep-99 15:35:01
  To: Will Honea                                        28-Sep-99 22:53:04
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Will Honea wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 WH> It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it
 WH> as a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.
 WH> You can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.

When I tried to create the extended and logical partitions with Warp
it didn't work either.  Is there a nondestructive method of changing
from type F to something OS/2 understands?

cbowman57@hotmail.com 
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From: Mike Roark                                        26-Sep-99 20:34:19
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Eddy!

Thursday September 23 1999 10:19, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 ET>>> I'm running the Matrox v2.21 video driver at 1280x102 at 32-bits.

 KS>> The 2.21 don't work anymore here, probably coz they don't cope
 KS>> with the 2.6 bios and FP9.

 ET> I'm using the Matrox BIOS v2.3

He is making statements about HIS system. Mine works fine with 2.22.078 and
BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21 also.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 11h 04m 56s 437ms (en).

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From: Vince Coen                                        27-Sep-99 13:21:23
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  29-Sep-99 05:46:22
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

Hello Rich!

Friday September 24 1999, Rich Wonneberger writes to Louis Aubree:

 >> RW> $600.00 (US).  About 3x the price of a Courier..

 >> USR Courier still available? I see only "3Com Professional Message
 >> Modem" now.

 RW> I dont know if 3-Com is producing them any more, but we just got about 30
 RW> at work..  They may have been old stock, I'm not sure.
 RW> I am sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong tho..  :}

The Courier is still in production and is available in the UK as a v34+ and as 
a I-Modem.

Vince

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From: Will Honea                                        29-Sep-99 21:42:00
  To: Charles Bowman                                    29-Sep-99 21:42:00
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Charles Bowman wrote to Will Honea on 09-28-1999

CB> Will Honea wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:
CB> 
CB>  WH> It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it
CB>  WH> as a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.
CB>  WH> You can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.
CB> 
CB> When I tried to create the extended and logical partitions with
CB> Warp it didn't work either.  Is there a nondestructive method of
CB> changing from type F to something OS/2 understands?

I used DFSEE.  I have also used an old copy of Norton under a DOS
boot.  I've even used DOS 6.2 to delete the 'non-dos' partition and
re-allocate it.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Bat Lang                                          28-Sep-99 15:19:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   30-Sep-99 08:17:00
Subj: Matrox drivers?

 -=> Quoting Holger Granholm to Bas Heijermans, [27 Sep 99  21:31:00] <=-

 BH> I haven't blamed it on the videocard, Kris steenhaut did.
 BH> NS does the same thing on various machines and by lot's op people.

 HG> Yes I know. Even though I mostly use FTP it happens that a site
 HG> doesn't support FTP and in that case I'm forced to use NS but it has
 HG> never let me down.                                        ~~~~~~~~~~
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Perhaps its the "Sunny Aland Islands" air?  {^;  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Sep-99 01:26:01
  To: Daniela Engert                                    30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: Iomega ZIP

 -=> Quoting Daniela Engert to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> My SCSI ZIP works, but it acts as a *non*-removable drive. Any idea what
I
 DE> need to change? 

 DE> Sorry, no. At boot time OS2DASD scans the registered ADDs for the
 DE> devices they control and their capabilities. Your SCSI ADD is
 DE> responsible for gathering this info from the attached hardware, and
 DE> reporting it to OS2DASD. Thus I'd expect the origin of your problem is
 DE> in one of these: 
 DE> - the SCSI-ZIP fails to identify itself as a removable DASD

It shows up as removable on the same system under DOS and under Win95.
So that can't be it.

 DE> - the driver fails to construct the proper data for OS2DASD

It could be a problem with the IOMEGA driver. I wouldn't put it past them.

 DE> - the SCSI-HA BIOS (if present) has an override switch which the ADD
 DE> honours 
 
There's no BIOS for the host adapter.


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From: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Sep-99 17:48:04
  To: George White                                      30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 wa

 -=> Quoting George White to Louis Aubree <=-

 GW> In what way is ISDN "more than mere data lines"?
 GW> Over here BT has something called "Home Highway", which is a slightly
 GW> limited version of the full IDSN package marketed via a different
 GW> internal division at a cost effectively very little less than the full
 GW> ISDN. I understand that to install "Home Highway" BT runs a test on
 GW> the existing copper link back to the exchange and if it's good enough
 GW> changes the line interface module at the exchange and allocates 2
 GW> extra telephone numbers to you. And that's all there is to it for them
 GW> (plus nearly trippling the line rental charges). The customer has to
 GW> install an ISDN modem/interface at their end and off they go.

Actually, you get three "lines". 2 B channels (64k digital) used for
voice or data. And 1 D channel used for "signalling". That is, the D
channel carries the dialing info, the ring/busy/etc progress signals,
and also carries the "ringing" signal *to* your ISDN adapter/phone.

In some places, the phone company allows the D channel to be used for
low volume 9600 bps "packet" transmission.
 
 LA> Also, ISDN has a _guaranteed_ (steady) data flow speed from end to
 LA> end and a guaranteed delivery, and even is less prone to
 LA> eavesdrop, all of this when using ISDN from end to end.

 GW> Maybe for you. BT guarantee very little (except that they will bill
 GW> you at regular intervals!).
 
If ISDN works *at all* you get 64kbps on each B channel. 

 LA> What is threatened by ADSL is _Internet access_ through ISDN.

 GW> I only quoted the article, that was the journalists interpretation,
 GW> not mine.
 
 GW>> Although it doesn't say so, I suspect calls will still be charged
 GW>> on the same basis as at present.
 
 LA> Hum! ADSL has a quite different logic. Instead of exclusive use of
 LA> a small pipe from end to end, it has _shared_ use of big lines
 LA> with data sent in packets. So the logic of ADSL is to pay for the
 LA> data volume, not for the time spent.

ADSL from the phone company *doesn't* have the channel between you and
the phone exchange shared. From cable companies it *does* have the
channel shared.

With either, bandwith from the "switch/cablehead *is* shared.


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From: David Calafrancesco                               28-Sep-99 21:30:24
  To: Charles Bowman                                    30-Sep-99 08:38:11
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Charles Bowman wrote in a message to Will Honea:

 CB> Will Honea wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 WH> It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it
 WH> as a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.
 WH> You can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.

 CB> When I tried to create the extended and logical partitions
 CB> with Warp it didn't work either.  Is there a nondestructive
 CB> method of changing from type F to something OS/2
 CB> understands?

Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive way that I am
aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be able to access a FAT32 drive. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Holger Granholm                                   28-Sep-99 20:58:00
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

In a message dated 09-25-99, Kris Steenhaut said to Holger Granholm:

KS>The Matrox drivers don't block the comports, indeed. But they do
KS>block the processor. A nasty habit, wich is sadly most prominent on
KS>newer mobos.

Well, well, you are the expert!  So be it.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   28-Sep-99 20:58:00
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

In a message dated 09-26-99, Bas Heijermans said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Bas,

BH>The videocard has nothing to do with it, I have several machines
BH>with diverend cards, NS crashes on all of them.
BH>NS is junk-soft, I'm still looking for something better.

YMMV, I have two machines that are completely different, one Pentium and
another 486DX2 and with nothing else common not even file system (FAT on
one and HPFS on the other) but NS works perfectly on both machines.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    27-Sep-99 08:58:22
  To: Alan Bremner                                      01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Alan,
zaterdag 18 september 1999 21.19, Alan Bremner wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 KS>> Again playing the "it's only you" trick, h.

 AB> Here's another vote for the 2.21 drivers. They work fine with my Warp
 AB> 4/FP11, Millennium II PCI system at my favoured 1024x768x16bit. What
 AB> does that say? Absolutely nothing, except that the combination of
 AB> hardware *in my system* gets on well together.

 KS>> to many now have to much complaints About Matrox.

 AB> Some have problems, others don't. Such is life. That's why the phrase
 AB> "YMMV" was invented.

Quite right. What I really am complaining about is the "it's only you trick"
by played by some self declared guru's.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Sep-99 16:31:24
  To: Chris Martin                                      01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: 4x4 drives

Chris Martin wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 CM> I have a 4bay tower of 1x CD's (with p/s, controller card, 
 CM> Drivers for Dos/Win3+9x/OS2) all use disk cartridge hoders (4 
 CM> included) and the cable. The controller can daisey-chain up to 
 CM> 8 drives of the card, and multiple cards can be used.
 CM> Will sell it to ya if interested. Drives are Hitachi 
 CM> CDR-360U's. Might even be able to get a line on a second 4bay 
 CM> tower, too.

Netmail reply on the way...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Sep-99 20:49:27
  To: David Calafrancesco                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 DC> Charles Bowman wrote in a message to Will Honea:

 CB> Will Honea wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 WH> It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it
 WH> as a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.
 WH> You can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.

 CB> When I tried to create the extended and logical partitions
 CB> with Warp it didn't work either.  Is there a nondestructive
 CB> method of changing from type F to something OS/2
 CB> understands?

 DC> Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive
 DC> way that I am aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be
 DC> able to access a FAT32 drive.  

I thought this didn't sound right,  so I did a quick search of "fat32" on my
OS/2 files list,  and came up with this:

OS2FAT32.ZIP  152259 01-31-98  [    ] beta software to let you read W95 FAT32
-
VFAT_001.ZIP  179908 01-31-98  [    ] Beta version software and driver to
                               have OS/2 operate a Windows 95 partitioned and
                               formatted partition.

Not one,  but two of them.  Probably later versions of it are out there by
now...

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       29-Sep-99 13:02:00
  To: CHARLES BOWMAN                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Some senseless babbling from Charles Bowman to Will Honea
on 09-28-99  15:35 about Big Hard Drives & Warp...

 CB> Will Honea wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:
 
 WH> It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it
 WH> as a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.
 WH> You can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.

 CB> When I tried to create the extended and logical partitions with Warp
 CB> it didn't work either.  Is there a nondestructive method of changing
 CB> from type F to something OS/2 understands?

If you have the GammaTech Utilities, you can use the sector editor to
modify the partition type directly.

Any sector editor which can access the drive will work.  It'd even be
fairly easy to write a program to do it.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... You still run?  Only when chased.

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From: Charles Bowman                                    29-Sep-99 17:35:29
  To: David Calafrancesco                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 DC> Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive way
 DC> that I am aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be able to
 DC> access a FAT32 drive.  

I've run this exact configuration in the past, with one exception, the
HD was 6.4 gigs.  It seems that OS/2 just isn't designed to install, or
boot from a drive this large.

When I boot OS/2 from my 4.0 gig drive it works fine and using Henk's
fat32 drivers it sees all the partitions without a problem. 

Oh well, obviously I'm at an impass until Warp gets updated a little.
I was hoping that someone had encountered and overcome this problem. <g>

Thanks to all that offered suggestions.

cbowman57@hotmail.com 
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From: Garth Ramsay                                      29-Sep-99 08:57:23
  To: ALL                                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Need some help with this one....


I just purchased a Logitech M-S48... 3 button mouse + scroll wheel
no drivers available from Logitech (that I could find).

Using the stock mouse driver all runs fine but no scrollwheel support.
I've gotten used to this mouse at work and like it for the net....

I downloaded the file below and installed it and boom... system
crashes...

The download file is scrollms.exe file size 95109

the mouse.sys file included in this is 23721 file date 4.29.99

Running warp 4, fixpack 11

Aopen AX6BC motherboard, 128mb PC100 ram, Intel Celeron 300A cpu

Matrox G200 video card...   So far works fine... ;->


After installing this driver using the install routine when I reboot
my computer the workplace shell starts to load and just hangs..
After the screen goes from the default blue background to my colour
choice but before the desktop loads IE: no Icons...
I hear a single beep..
The "wait I'm busy" clock comes up...
I can move it around with the mouse...
Therefore the mouse is loading but...
it doesn't go any further...
I'm left looking at an empty screen.

The worst part is I'm forced to do a complete reinstall after...
No error messages no nothing (that I could find).

I can boot to command line and this works but it appears as though
my desktop is blown up...

It all appears to be video related but...
If I replace the new mouse.sys with the old one the problem continues.
if I boot to a standard VGA it still happens.

I'm slowly pulling out what little hair I have left.

Help... I'm wheel-less in Canada.



 -=> Garth Ramsay <=-

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  29-Sep-99 21:53:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Modem Upgrade?

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to George White dated 09-28-99 ***
> packet part of the technology seemed to me to be a lot like the X-10 
> (remote
> control and automation) signals that are inserted on the A/C Mains with
> very
> critical timing.  Of course I'm just picking those 2 references out of
> devices I am already familiar with to some extent (not what was 
> mentioned in
> the report.)  Again from my own experience I know X-10 signals (usually
> about
> 5 volts) are stopped dead at the 1st transformer.  But 1 odd thing 
> about X-10
> signals is that they will sometimes work across both legs of the A/C 
> Mains,
> even without an additional bridge, although the signal is inserted onto

I have that problem here.  In my Condo, I have 2 lights on the other leg of
power which sometimes will not go on from my controller, but will always go
off or dim on command.  I also found 1 will randomly turn on (never off),
even after changing the switch and trying many house & device settings.  Some 
house codes just would not work at all.

I would like to get a controller I can hook into OS/2, but havent got time to
do much with it if it gets involved.

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: David Calafrancesco                               29-Sep-99 21:50:24
  To: Charles Bowman                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Charles Bowman wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 CB> David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 DC> Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive way
 DC> that I am aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be able to
 DC> access a FAT32 drive.  

 CB> I've run this exact configuration in the past, with one
 CB> exception, the HD was 6.4 gigs.  It seems that OS/2 just
 CB> isn't designed to install, or boot from a drive this large.

 CB> When I boot OS/2 from my 4.0 gig drive it works fine and
 CB> using Henk's fat32 drivers it sees all the partitions
 CB> without a problem.  

 CB> Oh well, obviously I'm at an impass until Warp gets updated
 CB> a little. I was hoping that someone had encountered and
 CB> overcome this problem. <g> 

 CB> Thanks to all that offered suggestions.

Obviously as seen below OS2 handles large drives just fine, with the correct
fixpack or IDEDASD/IBM1S506 driver loaded. Type F is a special partition
designation for FAT32 partitions. FAT32 is made using Win95's FDISK or via
Partition Magic when FAT32 (large disk support) is enabled. Boot Win95, remove 
the data from that partition by xcopying it or ZIPping it to another drive,
then go into OS2, delete the partition and then create a new partition. First, 
if OS2 FDISK can't see the whole drive properly, update your system to the
correct large IDE device drivers. As you can see below, this is an 18 gb IDE
drive running under OS2. 

Disk 1(2)3

Partition Information
Name          Status               Access           FS Type          MBytes

              None                : Primary         FreeSpace           7
              None               E: Logical         HPFS             2188
              None               F: Logical         HPFS             2000
              None               G: Logical         HPFS             2000
              None               H: Logical         HPFS             2000
              None               I: Logical         HPFS             4000
              None               J: Logical         HPFS             2000
              None               K: Logical         HPFS             3004



Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Dan Egli                                          29-Sep-99 22:38:09
  To: David Calafrancesco                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

 -=> Quoting David Calafrancesco to Charles Bowman <=-
 DC> Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive way that I
 DC> am aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be able to access a FAT32
 DC> drive.
 DC> Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
 DC> dave@drakkar.org

Shameless plug here, but Partition Magic can convert fat<>fat32
nondestructively

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From: Dan Egli                                          29-Sep-99 22:38:09
  To: Charles Bowman                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

 -=> Quoting Charles Bowman to Cyrill Vakhneyev <=-

 CB> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 CB> I've been trying to get my Warp 4.0 setup moved on to a new WD 27.3
 CB> gig drive, unfortunately fdisk doesn't seem to cooperate.
 CV>     Try IDE drivers from latest idedasd.zip.

 CB> Thanks Cyrill, tried that and it still didn't work.  FWIW NT 4.0 seems
 CB> to have the same problem.  It is funny though because the Bios sees it
 CB> all.  When I run os/2's fdisk it shows the entire extended partition
 CB> as Type F (if that says anything).  I have to assume that OS/2 just
 CB> can't handle drives this big yet, hopefully it will be updated in the
 CB> near future.

make sure you get it from IBM's device driver pak online. It's newer than
the one from Hobbes!

Also, hobbes does have a Fat32 partition filter & IFS you can install
 to make your OS/2 box see fat32 partitions.


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From: Peyton Bay                                        30-Sep-99 09:08:00
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

RW> 
RW> I have that problem here.  In my Condo, I have 2 lights on the
RW> other leg of  power which sometimes will not go on from my
RW> controller,  but will always go off or dim on command.  I also found
RW> 1  will randomly turn on (never off), even after changing the  switch
RW> and trying many house & device settings.  Some house  codes just
RW> would not work at all.
RW> 
RW> I would like to get a controller I can hook into OS/2, but 
RW> havent got time to do much with it if it gets involved.
RW> 

Rich,
 
Not to get too far off topic here ... but if you are referring to the
x10 cm11a (or the IBM hd11a) controller, mine works fine under WINOS2.

Peyton

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   29-Sep-99 06:33:08
  To: Holger Granholm                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Monday September 27 1999>, Holger Granholm writes to Bas
Heijermans:
;
Holger,

 BH>> I haven't blamed it on the videocard, Kris steenhaut did.
 BH>> NS does the same thing on various machines and by lot's op
 BH>> people.

 HG> Yes I know. Even though I mostly use FTP it happens that a site
 HG> doesn't support FTP and in that case I'm forced to use NS but it
 HG> has never let me down.

It was a known problem, at least for many people, with earlier releases of
NS/2 4.6x (I sure wish they'd change version numbers so folks would know what
they were running). I had it myself, and there was a simple workaround.

It was, OTOH, a Netscape problem, not one caused by the Matrox drivers as Kris 
hypothesized.  He seems to have misinterpreted one offhand comment in Dani's
docs, and uses it to blame everything from Netscape bugs to Aids to drug abuse 
on the 'sucking Matrox drivers'.

-[Steve]-

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    28-Sep-99 13:08:17
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bas,
zondag 26 september 1999 13.56, Bas Heijermans wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 BH> My problems have started after testing the Danis506.Add driver, not
 BH> before. Matrox has never given me problems whatsoever.

I don't think you can blame Dani's driver for that.


 BH> Please don't twist my words, I have installed many Matrox'ses, it's
 BH> the best card arround for OS/2.

Maybe in the past, not for now anymore.


 BH>  Ati and S3-cards are really a pain in

The Ati and S3-Virge do work excellent now, with the latest drivers.
Especially the S3 with the latest 1.03.25 drivers.


BH> the butt, drivers and stability. I suspect that de Dani drivers are
 BH> the major problem with the Matrox problems we see arrise now.

No. The big problem with Matrox are the Matrox drivers. These drivers don't
cope too well with sharing IRQ. That's the reason why the Matrox behave well
on older systems, and why they have problems on newer one's.


 BH>  And for
 BH> your information, Netscape is a piece of junk and gives problems on
 BH> any system.

You are absolutely wrong about that. Comm404 behaved rather well, the new
comm461 is stable and works well.

It is on the contrary my impression, Netscape was (and is) falsely blamed for
problems caused by the Matrox drivers.




    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    29-Sep-99 12:01:17
  To: Holger Granholm                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

Holger Granholm made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Holger,

HG> I don't think your difficulties FTPing files with NS can be
HG> blamed on which video controller you are using.

BH> I haven't blamed it on the videocard, Kris steenhaut did.
BH> NS does the same thing on various machines and by lot's op people.

 HG> Yes I know. Even though I mostly use FTP it happens that a
 HG> site doesn't support FTP and in that case I'm forced to use
 HG> NS but it has never let me down.

I have several things like fixing the TCP/IP stack - no help, fixing OS/2 - no 
help, tried on several machines - no help.
The problem is pure NS related because FTP and FTPPM do their work the wy they 
should.
BTW I just installed NS4.61 and it has the same problems, I'm going away from
NS and go find me some better browser.
That bloody thing does also things I don't want to happen, like the other day, 
I needed to be on www.dominace.net (Nokia sat box support site) and I typed by 
mistake www.dominance.com witch is a porn-site, so decided to leave that site
but it wouldn't close on me and opened every time a new window to send me
back, even when I changed the url.
I had to kill NS to get rid of them!

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    29-Sep-99 22:24:24
  To: Holger Granholm                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

Holger Granholm made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Holger,

HG> I don't think your difficulties FTPing files with NS can be
HG> blamed on which video controller you are using.

BH> I haven't blamed it on the videocard, Kris steenhaut did.
BH> NS does the same thing on various machines and by lot's op people.

 HG> Yes I know. Even though I mostly use FTP it happens that a
 HG> site doesn't support FTP and in that case I'm forced to use
 HG> NS but it has never let me down.

Well it let's me down a lot, I'm still looking to solve that FTP problem.
It looks like it's stopping downloading on some ftp server's and on others
it's no problem, maybe there is some param you can enter somewhere to change
the FTP part of NS, who knows???

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    29-Sep-99 22:29:04
  To: Mike Roark                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Iomega Zip

Mike Roark made noise to Eddy Thilleman:

Hi Mike,

 ET>>> I'm running the Matrox v2.21 video driver at 1280x102 at 32-bits.

 KS>> The 2.21 don't work anymore here, probably coz they don't cope
 KS>> with the 2.6 bios and FP9.

 ET> I'm using the Matrox BIOS v2.3

 MR> He is making statements about HIS system. Mine works fine
 MR> with 2.22.078 and BIOS 2.6. And it worked with 2.21 also.

I had problems too with the 2.22 and 2.23 drivers, those are a mess, like
locking up the WPS and other things.
My observation learned me that all drivers below 2.22 are working fine with
BIOS 2.6.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    29-Sep-99 22:32:10
  To: David Calafrancesco                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

David Calafrancesco made noise to Charles Bowman:

Hi David,

 WH> It's the blasted type F it can't handle.  I got DOS 6 to remove it
 WH> as a non-DOS partition but Win98 was the culprit that put it there.
 WH> You can also use a DOS disk editor to change it to a type 7.

 CB> When I tried to create the extended and logical partitions
 CB> with Warp it didn't work either.  Is there a nondestructive
 CB> method of changing from type F to something OS/2
 CB> understands?

 DC> Type F I believe is FAT32 and no there is no nondestructive
 DC> way that I am aware of. Neither OS2 nor NT nor DOS will be
 DC> able to access a FAT32 drive.  

There are FAT32 drivers for OS/2 and they work fine.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Charles Bowman                                    30-Sep-99 08:07:14
  To: David Calafrancesco                               01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

David Calafrancesco wrote in a message to Charles Bowman:

 DC> Obviously as seen below OS2 handles large drives just fine, with
 DC> the correct fixpack or IDEDASD/IBM1S506 driver loaded. Type F is a
-
 DC> First, if OS2 FDISK can't see the whole drive properly, update your
 DC> system to the correct large IDE device drivers. As you can see
 DC> below, this is an 18 gb IDE drive running under OS2. 

I've tried all that Dave, pretty sure that I didn't leave any of the steps
out.
The bios is set for LBA, I'm using the latest IDE drivers and OS/2 would not
allow me to partition the entire 27 gig drive.  If I get a chance this weekend 
I will give it another shot, just in case I missed a combination that would
work.

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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Sep-99 16:13:03
  To: Bryan Rubingh                                     01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: 1868 & IDE port

BR>I installed a ESS1868 sound card.  How do I get the IDE
BR>port to work under Warp 3.0?  The sound works fine with the
BR>1868 drivers but I can't get the IDE port to work.  Under
BR>DOS it requires a device driver which enables the port.  Is
BR>there such a program for OS/2?

Most motherboards have 2 IDE connections on them already.  It is likely
that this new IDE controller is set up to be the second IDE connection
so the drivers don't see it since there are already 2. Start
IBM1S506.ADD with the /V option, it should display all the controllers
it can see. You can also use its parameters to tell the driver where to
look for the new controller.  Try typing HELP IBM1S506 at an OS/2
prompt.  There are likely jumpers on the sound card that will let you
change the port address etc for the new IDE controller to get it
working.  Also try running RMVIEW in an OS/2 window, it will also show
you info about your IDE controllers.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Sep-99 16:19:04
  To: Charles Bowman                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

CB>I've run this exact configuration in the past, with one exception, the
CB>HD was 6.4 gigs.  It seems that OS/2 just isn't designed to install, or
CB>boot from a drive this large.

CB>When I boot OS/2 from my 4.0 gig drive it works fine and using Henk's
CB>fat32 drivers it sees all the partitions without a problem.

As I said, the boot partition has to be entirely contained within the
first 4G (1024 cylinders) of the hard disk, same for OS/2 and NT.  OS/2
will happily read the entire drive.  If you have a large existing Type F
partition, then Partitionmagic is your only choice for resizing or
moving it.

Rob.
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  30-Sep-99 22:18:00
  To: Peyton Bay                                        01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: x10 (was Modem Upgrade?)

*** Quoting Peyton Bay to Rich Wonneberger dated 09-30-99 ***
> Not to get too far off topic here ... but if you are referring to the
> x10 cm11a (or the IBM hd11a) controller, mine works fine under WINOS2.

Peyton,

I would think cm11a is hardware, and I would like to run it under OS/2, so it
shouldnt be off topic here..

I would like to control it from OS/2, not WinOS2 which I didnt load..

The s-ware you have, is it some form of basic, or an executable??  I've heard
some controllers can be operated from basic commands

Thanks
Rich
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Sep-99 12:34:16
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bas,

26 Sep 99 14:17, Bas Heijermans wrote to Holger Granholm:

BH> The videocard has nothing to do with it, I have several machines with
BH> diverend cards, NS crashes on all of them. NS is junk-soft, I'm still
BH> looking for something better.

I'm only using Netscape Communicator v4.04 (with the memory leaks it comes
with), Netscape Communicator v4.61 is supposed to correct this, but I haven't
tried it yet. You could also try the Opera browser, I haven't tried this one
either.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Sep-99 12:37:07
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Video Cards

Hello Stewart,

27 Sep 99 08:40, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Scott Jones:

SH> BTW; Does GRADD have a homepage? (It's a product of IBM, right?)

You could also try the Scitech drivers (www.scitechsoft.com)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Sep-99 14:26:20
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Bas,

27 Sep 99 13:52, Bas Heijermans wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

BH> I'm using 2.6 as well with the 2.20.060 drivers, works fine. I had
BH> some problems with the 2.23 drivers, my experiance is that newer
BH> drivers are not equal to better:-) Kris wants us to believe that
BH> Matrox is the worst card on this planet and he advises S3 and ATI:-)
BH> Will he be in for a supprise, ATI doesn't support OS/2 at all anymore
BH> and S3 has allways been a mess with drivers, Matrox rules OS/2!!!!!:-)

The Matrox works fine here too, and I don't see any reason to use another
video card. If I want to use less colors I just set an other video mode
instead of swapping videocards. ;-)

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Sep-99 14:36:16
  To: Holger Granholm                                   01-Oct-99 05:53:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Holger,

27 Sep 99 21:31, Holger Granholm wrote to Bas Heijermans:

HG> Yes I know. Even though I mostly use FTP it happens that a site
HG> doesn't support FTP and in that case I'm forced to use NS but it has
HG> never let me down.

wget gets files from internet using http and ftp, and can resume a download of 
a file which isn't complete.

I'm using wget two weeks now, and I'm happy with it. wget is command-line
driven and so I fully automated using wget. <plug> Have you seen my REXX files 
in OS2REXX? <unplug> :)

Auto Wget Daemon (AWget):
If you are bored with copying link in Netscape Navigator and manually
launching Wget then AWget is what you need. Now you can start downloading with 
Drag'n'Drop. All you need is to drag url into dedicated folder. Auto WGet
supports download queue and redownloading if you got any troubles.

I haven't tried awget myself (yet).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Bryan Rubingh                                     01-Oct-99 11:18:00
  To: Rob Basler                                        01-Oct-99 11:18:00
Subj: 1868 & IDE port


Thanks Rob. This is an old PC with no IDE on the motherboard.  There is
a combo card in it with one IDE/serial/par.  Also there are no jumpers
on the ESS1868 sound card as it is PnP. I have two hard disks installed
already so I need this IDE for the CD-ROM.  From what I've read on the
net I've found one person who has gotten this card to work under OS/2
and that was under Warp 4 and then it was only an either/or situation
where he could use the IDE or the sound, but not both.  This PC does not
have a PnP bios, so the bios doesn't detect the card automatically.

  Bryan Rubingh


-=> Quoting Rob Basler to Bryan Rubingh <=-

 BR>I installed a ESS1868 sound card.  How do I get the IDE
 BR>port to work under Warp 3.0?  The sound works fine with the
 BR>1868 drivers but I can't get the IDE port to work.  Under
 BR>DOS it requires a device driver which enables the port.  Is
 BR>there such a program for OS/2?

 RB> Most motherboards have 2 IDE connections on them already.  It is
 RB> likely that this new IDE controller is set up to be the second IDE
 RB> connection so the drivers don't see it since there are already 2. Start
 RB> IBM1S506.ADD with the /V option, it should display all the controllers
 RB> it can see. You can also use its parameters to tell the driver where
 RB> to look for the new controller.  Try typing HELP IBM1S506 at an OS/2
 RB> prompt.  There are likely jumpers on the sound card that will let you
 RB> change the port address etc for the new IDE controller to get it
 RB> working.  Also try running RMVIEW in an OS/2 window, it will also show
 RB> you info about your IDE controllers.

 RB> Rob.
 RB> ___
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