
                  OS/2 Hardware Issues             (Fidonet)

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Sep-99 12:54:00
  To: LOUIS AUBREE                                      11-Sep-99 01:27:04
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

Some senseless babbling from Louis Aubree to Jonathan De Boyne Poll
on 09-03-99  22:45 about Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war...

 LA> @SUBJECT:PCI(?) Modem and OS/2 Warp                                 
 LA> N Excerpts from 1999-08-16 on 11:35 :
 
 AR> OTOH if you wanted a cable modem, then that would be another story.
 
 JP> I wasn't really talking about cable modems, because (as we both
 JP> know) they aren't actually modems.  I cannot dial certain, unnamed,
 JP> BBSes in the United State with a cable modem, after all. (-:

 LA> I think they are. A phone line is not part of the general definition
 LA> of a modem. Some modems are connected to radio transceivers, for ex.
 LA> Of course, cable modems are just for Internet access (unless the
 LA> provider is a very good one, uh...).

A cable "modem" isn't a modulator/demodulator at all.  It's simply a 
network bridge, connecting some coax network to ethernet (the part you plug 
into your PC).
 
 JP> I did consider ISDN, but again, that would limit whom I could
 JP> place calls to.  I couldn't send Jack Stein a crash netmail if I
 JP> had an ISDN connection, for example.  (-:

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       10-Sep-99 12:59:00
  To: KRIS STEENHAUT                                    11-Sep-99 01:27:04
Subj: SIO

Some senseless babbling from Kris Steenhaut to Eddy Thilleman
on 09-08-99  08:13 about SIO...

[snip]

 KS> No, you may not, coz I wrote I do have better connects and stability
 KS> with the Quatech,  and I did compare the Quatech & Sio. As you didn't
 KS> try out the Quatech, you can't say anything about these.

You don't get better connects.  That's simply not possible.  

 KS> BTW: This thread started coz our friend  JdePD rightly complained
 KS> about the tricks he has  to do in order to update his 8 ports Sio. I
 KS> just wanted to provide him with a valuable alternative.

Actually, his complaint was unfounded.  Upgrading the >4-port versions is 
as simple as telnetting into his BBS.  

Mike Ruskai
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From: Stephen Haffly                                    10-Sep-99 21:02:19
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    11-Sep-99 08:26:04
Subj: Sio

On (05 Sep 99) Kris Steenhaut wrote to Herbert Bushong...

Hi Kris,

 HB> And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM.

 KS> They do have:

 KS> Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3)
 KS>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry, that is quite a different animal.  VMODEM allows programs to use
the Internet as if it were a com port.  That is entirely different than
vcom/qvcom, which allows DOS sessions access to com ports.

SIO still wins for now if that capability is needed.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Sep-99 22:00:00
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    11-Sep-99 13:14:16
Subj: SIO

In a message dated 09-08-99, Kris Steenhaut said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Kris,

 HG> The same modem gives me 3700 - 3800 cps Fido transfers both sending
 HG> and receiving. That is the maximum speed to be expected from a 33600
 HG> bps analog connect. Still using SIO.

KS>And did you compare with the Quatech, as I did?

No, I have had no reason to try anything else.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   10-Sep-99 22:00:00
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    11-Sep-99 13:14:16
Subj: Sio

In a message dated 09-08-99, Bas Heijermans said to Kris Steenhaut:

Hello Bas,

BH>A normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any
BH>higher rates will result in data/carrier losses.

Sorry Bas but your mileage varies compared to mine. I get stable
connects with my ISP at 48000 every time and have never experienced
any kind of losses. Maybe your phone lines are not up to the task.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Don Guy                                           11-Sep-99 09:01:05
  To: James Mckenzie                                    11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Greetings James!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from James
Mckenzie to Don Guy was intercepted...

 JM> Got one here in the box.  The third mouse button does not work with
 JM> the "native" OS/2 mouse drivers.

Excellent!  That's what I was hoping for at minimum.

 JM> It is a GREAT trackball device as it continues to function, even if
 JM> slightly "dirty".

To be honest, the only time I've ever found a third mouse button useful is in
a few games I have which support it...  :-)

-Don



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From: Don Guy                                           11-Sep-99 09:12:23
  To: Bat Lang                                          11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Greetings Bat!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Bat Lang
to Don Guy was intercepted...

 BL> I can tell you that I have seen folks (here) attest to that fact, but
 BL> cannot say so from personal experience.

That's two responses in the affirmative.  Thanks!


-Don



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From: Don Guy                                           11-Sep-99 09:15:19
  To: Tobias Ernst                                      11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Greetings Tobias!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Tobias
Ernst to Don Guy was intercepted...

 TE> They work as a standard PS/2 mouse, or if you connect them to the
 TE> serial port using the adapter that is supplied, as a standard serial
 TE> mouse.

Yours is response number three in the affirmative.  I think I'm going shopping 
next week...  :-)

 TE> Of course it could be that if you have a model with that new scroll
 TE> bar wheel (or what the heck it's called), it could be that the wheel
 TE> does not work.

From what James McK. said, the scroll wheel won't work with the stock OS/2
drivers.  Not something that is going to kill me....

-Don



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From: Steve McCrystal                                   10-Sep-99 07:05:22
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Sunday September 05 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Steve
Mccrystal:
;
Kris,

 KS> Right so. But she mentions an "anything could happen" scenario
 KS> too. And I do have this feature here.

I'm frequently amazed (*and* amused) by the omount of information you add in
the space BETWEEN THE LINES of someone elses' text!  The above is yet another
example.

 KS> BTW: As you are on the SDD drivers now, you should have deleted
 KS> the BMGAX64.DLL. Did you manage to do this operation without any
 KS> hassle?

Sure... took about 10 seconds to edit config.sys. Very little hassle, indeed.
Did you have a problem doing it?

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   10-Sep-99 06:41:26
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Sio

;
In a msg of <Sunday September 05 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Herbert
Bushong:
;
Kris,

 HB>> And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM.

 KS> They do have:

 KS> Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3)

That's not VMODEM, it's the equivalent of IBM's VCOM.SYS and and SIO's
VSIO.SYS.  It adds com support to DOS sessions.

And FWIW, QVCOM, like VCOM and VSIO, takes no parameters.

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   10-Sep-99 06:53:20
  To: Gene Tucker                                       11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Sio

;
In a msg of <Wednesday September 08 1999>, Gene Tucker writes to Justin
Baustert:
;
Gene,

 JB>> SIO should have no effect on connect rates.. Those are
 JB>> determined by your modem and the modem on the other end of the
 JB>> line, not by software.

 GT> Well high resistance in the phone line can affect what each modem
 GT> sees. And so can a bad equaliztion across the frequency sweep
 GT> from 20hz to 20000hz the slope should be no more or no less than
 GT> +3db for good high speed modem connects. At lleast this what a
 GT> phone company engineer told me when checking out why my computer
 GT> safe line did not perform up to expectation.

The numbers are incorrect (we are talking phone lines here, not a stereo
system!), altho the idea is essentially correct. That still doesn't alter the
fact that Kris' original statement that switching to the Quatech drivers
(software) increased his analog connect speeds is bogus. That is STILL
impossible, and that won't change!

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   10-Sep-99 06:48:18
  To: Herbert Bushong                                   11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Wednesday September 08 1999>, Herbert Bushong writes to Steve
McCrystal:
;
Herbert,

 HB> I've always flashed my Courier in a VDM. There's just a setting
 HB> or two you have to change to allow it to work (a couple of the
 HB> SIO_* settings like SIO_VIRTUALIZE_16550).

Actually, I did it once... took about an hour, and I was so uncomfortable with 
it that I blanked the flashrom and reflashed the thing from a DOS floppy.

Fortunately, I was a beta and field trial tester, so I have the loader and
blank rom files.  I sleep a lot better after having done so.

-[Steve]-

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  10-Sep-99 03:55:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

 -=> Quoting Peter Knapper to Eddy Thilleman <=-

 KS> ISDN BBS's). On the very same line, ofcoz.
 
 ET> Doesn't matter, the cheapest ISDN has two lines.

 PK> Not everywhere. Here it was possible to obtain a BRI with only 1B+D
 PK> (at reduced rates of course), but it flopped like a lead balloon so it
 PK> was removed from offer. There are still 1B+D installs around though... 

And a few phone companies in the US *only* offered 1B+D service, and at
inflated prices. <sigh>

Then they turned around and claimed that "there's no market". 

Only US phone Companies could have managed to delay and marginalize
ISDN from the time it was introduced (early *80s*) until now when it's
almost obsolete. 


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From: Leonard Erickson                                  11-Sep-99 02:56:02
  To: Tobias Ernst                                      11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

 -=> Quoting Tobias Ernst to Don Guy <=-

 DG> Has anybody tried one of these beasties under OS/2? 
 TE> Yess.
 
 DG> I love the look and feel of them, but Logitech doesn't offer any drivers 
 DG> for OSs other than Windows and Mac...

 TE> They work as a standard PS/2 mouse, or if you connect them to the
 TE> serial port using the adapter that is supplied, as a standard serial
 TE> mouse. You won't need any drivers (you even don't need them for
 TE> Windows; the Windows "drivers" that ship with the Trackman are just
 TE> some fancy colorful tools for doing completly trivial things that
 TE> nobody really needs), well at least for accessing the three mouse
 TE> buttons and the track ball. Of course it could be that if you have a
 TE> model with that new scroll bar wheel (or what the heck it's called),
 TE> it could be that the wheel does not work. I have never tried this,
 TE> though, as I only have two TrackMen Marble without wheel. 

I've got a TrackMan Marble+. It works ok, except that the scroll wheel
doesn't do anything. Well, you can "click" it as if it was a standard
third button, but rolling it does nothing. <sigh>

The trackball works well.

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  11-Sep-99 02:59:03
  To: Louis Aubree                                      11-Sep-99 15:26:19
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

 -=> Quoting Louis Aubree to Jonathan De boyne poll <=-

 LA> @SUBJECT:PCI(?) Modem and OS/2 Warp                                 
 LA> N Excerpts from 1999-08-16 on 11:35 :
 
 AR> OTOH if you wanted a cable modem, then that would be another story.
 
 JP> I wasn't really talking about cable modems, because (as we both
 JP> know) they aren't actually modems.  I cannot dial certain, unnamed,
 JP> BBSes in the United State with a cable modem, after all. (-:

 LA> I think they are. A phone line is not part of the general definition
 LA> of a modem. Some modems are connected to radio transceivers, for ex.
 LA> Of course, cable modems are just for Internet access (unless the
 LA> provider is a very good one, uh...).

Sorry, but so-called "cable modems" are *not* modems. They are digital,
not analog. They've got more in common with a LAN card or an ISDN
adapter than with a phone or radio modem.
 


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Sep-99 09:25:17
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    11-Sep-99 19:35:19
Subj: SIO

Hallo Kris,

Op 00-00-80 00:00 schreef je aan Steve Mccrystal:

 KS> With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with Internet, seldom 48000 or 
 KS> 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have regular 48000 connect, and 
 KS> seldom 45.333 or 49333.

Yesterday, I got a 53333 bps connect with my ISP. I've an external Etech
Bullet V90 modem and I'm using SIO.

  Groeten   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Sep-99 09:43:11
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    11-Sep-99 19:35:19
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hallo Kris,

Op 05-09-99 11:01 schreef je aan Eddy Thilleman:

KS> The 2.21 are messing up the whole screen. Back on 2.31 now, and
KS> awaiting the SDD as ultimate resource.

I never have experienced these problems.

  Groeten   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Gene Tucker                                       11-Sep-99 21:19:00
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   11-Sep-99 21:19:00
Subj: Sio


SM>Oh, how true that is! :^)  Sometimes, they aren't even 
SM>close. It'd sure be nice if there was something like 
SM>NetMedic for OS/2. I asked, with the somewhat expected 
SM>silence from the askee.

SM>-[Steve]-

And how used to that have i got since 1992.:) the worst one is when they tell
you that OS/2 is dead and not worth developing for.
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From: Gene Tucker                                       11-Sep-99 21:23:01
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   11-Sep-99 21:23:01
Subj: Sio

In a message dated 09-09-99, Roy J. Tellason said to Gene Tucker:


RT>Gene Tucker wrote in a message to Justin Baustert:

 GT> Well high resistance in the phone line can affect what each 
 GT> modem sees. And so can a bad equaliztion across the frequency 
 GT> sweep from 20hz to 20000hz the slope should be no more or no 
 GT> less than +3db for good high speed modem connects. 

RT>Try 300 - 3000 Hz,  which is more like the bandwidth of a 
RT>typical phone line...

RT>No way do they go out to 20Khz!

You are talking for voice communication right?


 GT> At lleast this what a phone company engineer told me when 
 GT> checking out why my computer safe line did not perform up to 
 GT> expectation.

RT>Nonsense.  That guy was just blowing smoke...

 Well I got fulll bore transfers speeds after the work was done and it cost me
nothing. I don't see why he would do that. Maybe he over simplified it hopeing
that I would understand. It is sort of like high School chemistry and physics.
they are written to be so east to understand that they do lead to
misinformation
and highly inaccurate information.

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From: Gene Tucker                                       11-Sep-99 21:31:02
  To: Herbert Bushong                                   11-Sep-99 21:31:02
Subj: Sio

In a message dated 09-09-99, Herbert Bushong said to Kris Steenhaut:


::>  HB> And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM.

::> They do have:

::> Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3)
::>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^

HB>No, that is the equivalent of VCOM.SYS and VSIO.SYS.  It is not the same as 

HB>VMODEM.EXE. 

You are correct about what Vmodem.exe is. He may not even know about using it
as
a virtual modem for telenet access.
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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    11-Sep-99 10:34:18
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    12-Sep-99 08:17:29
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hello Eddy,
zondag 05 september 1999 09.44, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 ET> Hi Kris,

 ET> 01 Sep 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 KS>> Actually, it is different. I can sent/receive analogue voice
 KS>> calls while I am ISDN on the Internet (or one of the few

 ET> Do you have ISDN?

Yep.

 KS>> ISDN BBS's). On the very same line, ofcoz.

 ET> Doesn't matter, the cheapest ISDN has two lines.

Indeed ISDN went cheap here, last few weeks.



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    12-Sep-99 01:29:29
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   12-Sep-99 08:17:29
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Steve,
zondag 05 september 1999 07.59, Steve McCrystal wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 SM> ;
 SM> In a msg of <Thursday September 02 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to
 SM> Andy Roberts: ; Kris,

 KS>> I tried already the beta 2.30 & 2.31 drivers. The beta 2.30 are
 KS>> even worser than the 2.22, the 2.31 gives an amelioration, but it
 KS>> is still bad, bad enough to be not acceptable at all.

 SM> Just curious... have you looked to see just what was change in the
 SM> 2.30/2.31 Matrox drivers vs the 2.23 release?

Yep.

I even did compare with te different biosses.

My experiences once bios 2.6 had been installed:

2.21: screen mess immediatly right after boot . The mess wasn't there with
earlier biosses.

2.22: Partial screen mess accidently, lock up on tranfers of huges files
[files greater than 10 Mb]

2.23: same picture + much NS crashes.

2.30beta: at boot, I saw the desktop cluttered with the desktop with the
desktop as it was before the latest shutdown. No lock-ups at file transfers
anymore, but an immediat lock-up when starting two different programs at the
same time, for instance a Winos2 session and GOLDED/2. Only occasional NS
crashes.

2.31beta: Desktop at boot is fine now. Still lock ups  when 2 programs are
starting at the same time. But is is controllable now, as it must be about
heavy task: starting  Golded/2, FM/2 & once again FM/2 or something like that. 
At least I am able to avoid this lock-ups most of the time. No NS crases at
all, talking about NS404.

So the 2.31beta  appear to be the most stable, or better, less unstable.

I'm still persuaded the SDD wil be our best bet. Too bad the SDD team has to
rely on Big Blue for fixing the Gradd memory leak matter. So, I presume we
will have to wait a bit longer than we could expect initially..

You know: if you want have it at his best, you'll have to wait. :-))

 SM> Here's a hint... do you have a G-400 AGP card, for which both the
 SM> 2.30
 SM> and 2.31 betas were released?

 SM> In short, Matrox never claimed (to my knowledge) that the leatest
 SM> *BETA* drivers would do anything for your hardware (or my G-200, for
 SM> that matter)! And, they specifically asked that at least the 2.31
 SM> version *NOT BE DISTRIBUTED* by the guy who uploaded them to Hobbes
 SM> (and by everyone else to whom the sent them, I assume).

Sadly, the 2.21 @ 2.23 do suck all the time, and as far as I know the 2.21,
2.22 and 2.23 are genuine official GA. I wrote Matrox  2 emails  about the
2.23, and I even didn't get a reply from one of their answering machines. Wich 
indicates clearly they are refusing any reply.
If they don't want to talk about beta, that's fine for me. But they provided
us with sucking GA drivers, and no, I don't by that.


 SM> I mentioned it earlier in the hardwaree list, but I'll say it again
 SM> here.  I sincerely hope that some day EVERYONE will understand what
 SM> "BETA" means, but I'm not optimistic.  This is one thing that makes me
 SM> a big fan of closed btas, even if it does somewhat limit the user
 SM> population.


Steve, sorry, maybe it's your age, but I'm afraid you aren't capable anymore
of remembering all those mail you are reading. I wrote already  in february
'99 here and else there are problems with the Matrox 2.21 - 2.22 - 2.23. These 
are GA drivers, and you do now.

Ofcoz, seven months ago, I was slammed by you and kind alike for blashfeming
the  Holy Institution.
It turned out now since two months  about everybody has problems with this
Holy Institution drivers. A guru even did confess here he backed  up to the
2.20.8 drivers, in order to get rid of the problems. I did too, btw, but
apparently, the 2.60 bios isn't compatible anymore with these old drivers.
Even on your continent problems do popup from everywhere. Not about the beta,
but about the GA 2.21 - 2.22 - 2.23. And I am persuaded now some of the
Netscape 4.04 problems are bound to Matrox, and have few but nothing to do
with Netscape itself.

So, pardon me, but imho Matrox attitude is ridiculous: they refuse to give any 
support on sucking GA drivers, and they say it's forbidden to use the beta
drivers. Wich implies: or we go on with sucking drivers, or we do by something 
new, or we try to safe bucks by installing the beta.

BTW: You are saying the 2.31 are only there for the G-200. That isn't correct
eighter:


++++ Knip.....Begin van het bestand README.os2 .....++++
README.OS2                   MATROX GRAPHICS INC.                20-July-1999


                        Matrox OS/2 PM Display Driver

                             Version 2.31.095

                                 for the
                               Matrox G400
                         MGA Millennium/Mystique
                            MGA-G100/MGA-G200




Product Description
-+-----------------

This OS/2 PM driver for the Matrox G400, MGA Millenium, MGA Mystique, MGA-G100
and MGA-G200 video accellerator chips supports 8-bit (256 colors),
16-bit (64K colors), and 24- and 32-bit (16M colors) display modes under
OS/2 2.11 and later, in resolutions ranging from 640 x 480 to
2048 x 1536.


Driver Installation
-+-----------------

To install the software, follow the procedure below:

   1. If you have previously configured OS/2 for another graphics card, then
      you should uninstall the drivers for that card.  Be sure that OS/2 will
      start up in VGA mode before installing the Matrox Drivers.

   2. Using the Command Prompts folder of OS/2, open an OS/2 Window or Full
      Screen session.

   3. Insert the driver disk in a floppy drive (if you are installing from
      the floppy disk) or insert the CD-ROM in its drive bay.

   4. Make the CD-ROM or floppy disk the active drive and type:

      "SRCPATH\INSTALL",

      where SRCPATH is the path which contains the Matrox OS/2 drivers.

      Examples:
++++ Knip.....Einde van het bestand README.os2 .....++++


As a last ressource ofcoz,  you can suggest I wrote the readme myself. It's
eighter that, or I do have an option to question your credebility.





    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    10-Sep-99 23:34:13
  To: Louis Aubree                                      12-Sep-99 22:02:13
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

Hello Louis,

03 Sep 99 22:45, Louis Aubree wrote to Jonathan De boyne poll:

 JP>> I wasn't really talking about cable modems, because (as we both
 JP>> know) they aren't actually modems.  I cannot dial certain,

 LA> I think they are. A phone line is not part of the general definition
 LA> of a modem.

Actually, it is. Traditionally, a modem is a modulator-demodulator supporting
the transition to/from a digital data stream (usually, but not always, within
a computer) and the analog data stream carried on standard phone lines.

Looking at a handy Webster's Dictionary, we find:

"a device that converts data to a form that can be transmitted, as by
telephone, to data-processing equipment where a similar device reconverts it."

A cable modem, on the other hand, is really more of a router than a modem,
routing network packets that are piggybacking on the TV cable line into the
network card installed in the connected computer.

 LA>  Some modems are connected to radio transceivers, for ex.

Where they are still converting between digital and analog data streams. If
I'm not mistaken (having never actually *seen* such a setup), that radio link
merely acts as a portion of the phone connection between sites. Even using a
conventional modem connected to a conventional phone line, it is quite
possible that the signal may at some point in its travels pass through a
(microwave) radio link. It's still basically a phone call.

 LA> Of course, cable modems are just for Internet access (unless the

Yep, they are really closer to a direct network connection than a dialup
connection. And they aren't modems in the traditional sense. I think the name
became attached simply because it's a box between the computer and a wall jack 
and that's traditionally been the place for a modem (in homes, anyway).

Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Rachel Veraa                                      29-Aug-99 18:36:00
  To: Don Strait                                        12-Sep-99 22:02:13
Subj: IDE CD Recorders

In a message to All, Don Strait wrote:

DS> you how old it is).  I don't have a SCSI card in my computer, so
DS> I've been looking at the new IDE (Atapi) CDRW drives, since they are
DS> now well under $200 (US).

For the same reasons, and not much money, I got a Memorex CRW-1622 (on sale
for about $150 US).

DS>  My questions are:

DS> Do these work OK, and are they supported by OS/2?  (v4.0 w/ fixpack
DS> #11)

Mine works great now that I've figured it out (which admittedly took a while,
but then, I'm just not too bright...).

DS> What software do I need (applications and/or drivers), and is any of
DS> it freeware or reasonably priced shareware?  ...and how well do they
DS> work?

Aye, there's the rub... the only way I could get this to work (other than
running the bundled software under Windows 95) was to get RSJ CDWriter for
OS/2, which is beautiful.  It has an IFS that attaches the CRW as a WORM
(Write Once, Read Many) drive.  The problem is... the price.  It costs more
than the CRW did.

See it at:

    http://www.rsj.de

If I'd known ahead of time how much it would cost in all to get up and
running, I'd have probably not bought the CRW in the first place, but gotten a 
scanner instead :)  But now that I have this working, I'm happy with it.


       Cheers,
           Rachel

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   11-Sep-99 08:28:13
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    12-Sep-99 22:02:13
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Wednesday September 08 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Steve
Mccrystal:
;
Kris,

 SM>> Aha, them you don't use VMODEM, or PMLM, or...

 KS> ?? I do. You are the second to talk about this. Do I miss
 KS> something.

Yes.

 SM>> I have the Quatech drivers here, have had for some time.
 SM>> I'd gladly pay Ray again just so I didn't have to waste the
 SM>> time trying to make the Quatech drivers FIND my 3 com ports!

 KS> Depends wether you are a pnp lover or not. Indeed, the Quatech
 KS> drivers don't "find" any port. Each port must be configured in
 KS> the config.sys. You know, things like:

I have defined all three of my com ports on the command line in CONFIG.SYS.
Unfortunatly (or maybe not so unfortunately) the Quatech drivers only
recognise one of them.

There also doesn't appear to be any way to lock the port at a given speed,
which would really causes problems with my modem... *IF* I could get the
drivers to see COM2.

PnP has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 KS> In the event you did configure things like that, I'll have to
 KS> confess I'm doing weird things, do I?

Yes. frequently.

And, occasionally, you claim to be doing the impossible.

-[Steve]-

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    11-Sep-99 19:59:27
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    12-Sep-99 22:02:13
Subj: Sio

Hallo Bas,

Op 08-09-99 16:49 schreef je aan Kris Steenhaut:

BH> normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any
BH> higher rates will result in data/carrier losses.

My connects with my ISP are for the most part at 50667 bps, some are at 52000
bps and last I saw a connect at 53333 bps. All my connects are stable, I don't 
experience carrier loss or data loss.

  Groeten   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    11-Sep-99 20:16:24
  To: Tobias Ernst                                      12-Sep-99 22:02:13
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hallo Tobias,

On 09-09-99 08:32 you wrote to Don Guy:

TE> Of course it could be that if you have a model with that new scroll bar
TE> wheel (or what the heck it's called), it could be that the wheel does
TE> not work. I have never tried this, though, as I only have two TrackMen
TE> Marble without wheel.

I've a Logitech mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel which acts also as a 
third button (by pressing it down), I have an OS/2 mouse driver with support
for the scroll wheel:

ScrollPoint Mouse Device Driver for OS/2
Version 2.01

May 3, 1999


(c)  Copyright International Business Machines Corporation, 1998-1999.
     All rights Reserved.

...snip...

2.0 Hardware Considerations
---------------------------

1.  This ScrollPoint Mouse device driver only supports a Mouse Port (PS/2)
    attachment. Attachment of your scrolling mouse through a serial port
    connector is not supported.

2.  This driver only runs effectively in a uni-processor system.  You
    may experience reliability problems in a system running multiple
    processors.

3.  If you are attaching your scrolling mouse to a notebook computer
    such as an IBM ThinkPad that has a built-in mouse, you may have to
    disable the built-in mouse to ensure your scrolling mouse
    stick/wheel scroller works properly.

...snip...

3.0 Scrolling Mouse Operating Parameters
----------------------------------------

The ScrollPoint Mouse driver supports both stick-type (ie., IBM
ScrollPoint) and wheel-type (ie., Logitech MouseMan+) scrolling mice.

...snip...

4.0  Copyright and Trademark Information
----------------------------------------

The following terms are trademarks of International Business Machines
Corporation in the United States and/or other countries.

    IBM                         OS/2

    ThinkPad                 ScrollPoint

Other company, product, and service names may be trademarks or service marks
of others.


ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/os2ddpak/scrollms.exe

  Groeten   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    11-Sep-99 20:25:10
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    12-Sep-99 22:02:13
Subj: SIO

Hallo Kris,

Op 08-09-99 08:13 schreef je aan Eddy Thilleman:

KS> And did you compare with the Quatech?

No, I'm not in a hurry to try the Quatech drivers.

KS> We might differ on that. Actually, you are saying the Warp stock comm
KS> drivers (comm.sys, vcom.sys) are just as good as any other. No, I'm
KS> becoming fully aware drivers are far more important that hardware.

No, you're reading incorrect. I'm using SIO, I've said I'm using SIO and still 
you say I use the stock Warp drivers?

  Groeten   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  12-Sep-99 14:50:01
  To: Louis Aubree                                      13-Sep-99 09:18:25
Subj: Floppy B: problem

 -=> Quoting Louis Aubree to Fred Springfield <=-

 FS> The answer turned out to be to vacuum out the unit.  I had not used
 FS> the 5.25" drive in 2 years, and enough lint had accumulated in it to
 FS> block the sensor which looks for the write protect slot, making the
 FS> system think it was covered with tape, and hence actually write
 FS> protected.

 LA> I also have a 5.25" B: drive. I seldom use it, and was worried it
 LA> left dust on floppies. So, I just cut a cardboard cover to close the
 LA> floppy slot and fixed it with adhesive tape. It could be even simpler
 LA> : adhesive tape directly fitted to close the slot when not needed.
 LA> This slot should not be an air intake when unused.

The problem is that most cases are designed to use *negative* pressure
for ventilation. That is, the fan sucks air *out* of the case, turning
every opening into a dust magnet. 

I've got an old 286 system that uses *positive* pressure ventilation.
The fan blows air *into* the case, and has a removable *washable*
filter over the fan. 

Unlike other old systems, this one is *clean* inside. 

You might want to try rigging your case that way. All you need is a
filter to go over the fan, and (usually) the ability to open the PS.
Most fans are just plugged into the PS board and it's usually not that
hard to flip the plug around.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   13-Sep-99 00:34:20
  To: all                                               13-Sep-99 09:18:25
Subj: 4x4 drives

I have a couple of NEC 4x4 cdrom changers here,  and was wondering how they
would show up under Warp Connect -- would they be seen as eight separate drive 
letters,  or what?  Do I need any special drivers installed in order to be
able to use them?

I've currently got them installed in the Linux box here,  but it's starting to 
look like it's going to be a real hassle to be able to use more than one disc
per drive,  which sorta misses the whole point.

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From: James Mckenzie                                    12-Sep-99 14:41:11
  To: Don Guy                                           13-Sep-99 09:18:25
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hello Don!

11 Sep 99 09:15, Don Guy wrote to Tobias Ernst:

 DG> From what James McK. said, the scroll wheel won't work with the stock
 DG> OS/2 drivers.  Not something that is going to kill me....

However, the Scroll Mouse drivers (SCROLLMS.EXE) from IBM are supposed to...

I have the "plain" Jane version of the Marble.

James

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From: Herbert Bushong                                   12-Sep-99 06:41:00
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   13-Sep-99 13:22:09
Subj: Courier Flashes

::>  HB> I've always flashed my Courier in a VDM. There's just a setting
::>  HB> or two you have to change to allow it to work (a couple of the
::>  HB> SIO_* settings like SIO_VIRTUALIZE_16550).

::> Actually, I did it once... took about an hour, and I was so uncomfortable
::> it that I blanked the flashrom and reflashed the thing from a DOS floppy.

That's odd, it never took me more than a few minutes to flash mine in a VDM.
I did quite a few, including the v34, X2, and V90 flashes, all without 
problems.  The only thing I *couldn't* get working was the xmodem method. 

#  Herbert Bushong    harchon@centuryinter.net       [TEAM OS/2]    
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  13-Sep-99 00:39:00
  To: Kenneth Abrams                                    13-Sep-99 13:44:05
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

 -=> Quoting Kenneth Abrams to Louis Aubree <=-

 KA> Actually, it is. Traditionally, a modem is a modulator-demodulator
 KA> supporting the transition to/from a digital data stream (usually, but
 KA> not always, within a computer) and the analog data stream carried on
 KA> standard phone lines. 

The essence is that the data goes via an *analog* type "carrier". 

 KA> Looking at a handy Webster's Dictionary, we find:

 KA> "a device that converts data to a form that can be transmitted, as by
 KA> telephone, to data-processing equipment where a similar device
 KA> reconverts it." 


"as by telephone" is an example, not a limit.

 LA>  Some modems are connected to radio transceivers, for ex.

 KA> Where they are still converting between digital and analog data
 KA> streams. If I'm not mistaken (having never actually *seen* such a
 KA> setup), that radio link merely acts as a portion of the phone
 KA> connection between sites. Even using a conventional modem connected to
 KA> a conventional phone line, it is quite possible that the signal may at
 KA> some point in its travels pass through a (microwave) radio link. It's
 KA> still basically a phone call. 

With radios the setup can be *very different. For example, phone lines
are inherently a "duplex" link. Radio links are inherently "simplex".
Some older Hayes modems are sought by hams because they can actually
*run* on a simplex link.

They've got settings such that the sending modem doesn't look for
carrier on the link. Because that'll be carried by a different channel,
which the modem may not be connected to.

Modems designed exclusivly for radio (as opposed to radio carried vioce
channels) directly modulate the carrier frequency. Their rates depend
on the bandwidth of the channel they are designed for. 

BTW, there's an interesting trick you can do for sending text between
modems, even modern, high speed modems. If you've got the right
(simple) software on each end, you set the modems to run 5 bit, no
parity, 1 stop bit. And run the software to convert the text to baudot
before sending it. Baudot being a 5-bit character set, the stuff goes
*fast*, especially if you have data compression on (which strips
start/stop bits). 

Look at it this way, at 5 bits (plus a bit for shifts and link control)
per character, it takes about 5/8ths the time to send the same data.

Sure, you are restricted to upper case and limited punctuation. The
news services *still* send text this way.

There are three main versions of the code. All use the same "letters"
character set. They each use different "figures" sets. The FIGURES code
(11011) indicates a switch to the figures set, the LETTERS code (11111)
indicates a switch to the letters set. These are referred to as
"shifts" because they act like a shift key. Miss a shift and you get
"gibberish", except that experienced operators learn to read the stuff
with the wrong shift. :-)

 BIT            COMM.   STOCK  WEATHER
CODE    LETTERS FIGURES FIGURES FIGURES
00000   NULL    NULL    NULL    -
00001   E       3       3       3
00010   LF      LF      LF      LF
00011   A       -       -       ^
00100   SPACE   SPACE   SPACE   SPACE
00101   S       '       '       BELL
00110   I       8       8       8
00111   U       7       7       7
01000   CR      CR      CR      CR
01001   D       $WRU    $       /^
01010   R       4       4       4
01011   J       BELL    BELL    v/
01100   N       ,       7/8     o||
01101   F       !       1/4     ->
01110   C       :       1/8     o
01111   K       (       1/2     <-
10000   T       5       5       5
10001   Z       +       "       +
10010   L       )       3/4     ^\
10011   W       2       2       2
10100   H       #       #       v
10101   Y       6       6       6
10110   P       0       0       0
10111   Q       1       1       1
11000   O       9       9       9
11001   B       ?       5/8     o+
11010   G       &       &       \v
11011   FIGURES FIGURES FIGURES FIGURES
11100   M       .       .       .
11101   X       /       /       /
11110   V       =       3/8     o|
11111   LETTERS LETTERS LETTERS LETTERS

$WRU is like ^E in some terminal emulations. It request that you send
an ID string. The varous "funny characters" in the  Weather set are
asrrows pointing in various directions, and other weather related
symbols. 

        WEATHER
00000   -       (minus) horizontal line
00011   ^       North (up) arrow
01001   /^      Northeast arrow
01011   v/      Southwest arrow
01100   o||     circle between vertical lines?
01101   ->      East (right) arrow
01110   o       circle
01111   <-      West (left) arrow
10001   +       (plus) cross
10010   ^\      Northwest arrow
10100   v       South (down) arrow
11001   o+      crossed circle
11010   \v      Southeast arrow
11110   o|      Circle and vertical line


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From: Leonard Erickson                                  13-Sep-99 01:05:01
  To: Gene Tucker                                       13-Sep-99 13:44:05
Subj: Sio

 -=> Quoting Gene Tucker to Roy J. Tellason <=-

 GT> Well high resistance in the phone line can affect what each 
 GT> modem sees. And so can a bad equaliztion across the frequency 
 GT> sweep from 20hz to 20000hz the slope should be no more or no 
 GT> less than +3db for good high speed modem connects. 
 
 RT>Try 300 - 3000 Hz,  which is more like the bandwidth of a 
 RT>typical phone line...
 
 RT>No way do they go out to 20Khz!

 GT> You are talking for voice communication right?

Yep. A standard telephone line only passes frequencies from 30-3000 Hz.
Digital lines pass up to 4000 Hz. That's all that's *needed* for voice
communications. Music requires at least 20 kHz. That's the top of
"normal" hearing. Though there are folks like me who can hear above 30
KHz (trust me, it being a "benefit" of asthma as a kid, I could do
without it).

For digitizing sound, you want to sample at at least twice the rate of
the highest frequency, thus CDs sampling at 44kHz only reproduce
frequencies up to 22kHz.
 
 GT> At lleast this what a phone company engineer told me when 
 GT> checking out why my computer safe line did not perform up to 
 GT> expectation.
 
 RT>Nonsense.  That guy was just blowing smoke...

Or Gene misheard the frequency. 

They *do* run frequency sweeps when testing lines. And those are
generally up to around 2 to 3 kHz. 


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From: Gene Tucker                                       11-Sep-99 21:43:00
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   11-Sep-99 21:43:00
Subj: Sio

In a message dated 09-10-99, Steve Mccrystal said to Gene Tucker:


SM>;
SM>In a msg of <Wednesday September 08 1999>, Gene Tucker 
SM>writes to Justin Baustert:
SM>;
SM>Gene,

 JB>> SIO should have no effect on connect rates.. Those are
 JB>> determined by your modem and the modem on the other end of the
 JB>> line, not by software.

 GT> Well high resistance in the phone line can affect what each modem
 GT> sees. And so can a bad equaliztion across the frequency sweep
 GT> from 20hz to 20000hz the slope should be no more or no less than
 GT> +3db for good high speed modem connects. At lleast this what a
 GT> phone company engineer told me when checking out why my computer
 GT> safe line did not perform up to expectation.

SM>The numbers are incorrect (we are talking phone lines here, 
SM>not a stereo system!), altho the idea is essentially 
SM>correct. That still doesn't alter the fact that Kris' 
SM>original statement that switching to the Quatech drivers 
SM>(software) increased his analog connect speeds is bogus. 
SM>That is STILL impossible, and that won't change!

SM>-[Steve]-

Ok so the frequency I was told as an expample was incorrect. I see. Accoring
to
Roy T in is in the area of 300hz to 3000hz. I commented to him they guy may
have
oversimplifed assuming I did not understand anything anyway.

But on the issue of com drivers. I do agree with you. My point has gotten lost
though. and it is tha tline conditions affect modem communications more than
the
drivers do. personaly since I use a Gtek JetportII I can't use andthing but
the
sio2k009 drivers. Which I find perfectly fine. I do hope to see a release
version but that seems dimmer and dimmer. But I can't really complain as the
beta runs good enough for me. Kris just needs to realise he cannot trust the
readouts from those drivers. 

I think someone here needs to contact Ray Gwinn and see if the driver will
ever
see a realease. I seem to have troble getting a response from him. Which I do
not take personally as many seem to have the same problem with him. 
___
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                13-Sep-99 11:23:03
  To: Scott Jones                                       13-Sep-99 19:23:06
Subj: Video Cards

 * Reply to message originally in area OS2INET

09 Sep 99 19:06, Scott Jones wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SJ> I've got a 4MB ViRGE/DX here.  There are newer drivers on Leo 
 SJ> (v1.03.25 vs. the 1.03.20 available on Hobbes),

What's Leo's URL?

 SJ> but I find that the GRADD v0.80 drivers work even better (no
 SJ> disappearing text, improved graphics acceleration) for me than the
 SJ> S3 drivers running at 1024x768x65k.  YMMV, of course.

I found them to crash as soon as I opened a VDM. Then again, my DOS
support has been wacky for a while now. If I try to load an SVGA game
under a VDM I can't return to Warp. (CAD Commander will come up, but
even it can't restart the WPS sucessfully).

I'll be re-installing soon to play OS shuffle (I've got three of 'em,
and want to reorganize partitions), so maybe I'll try the GRADD drivers
then.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   13-Sep-99 15:17:19
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  13-Sep-99 19:23:06
Subj: Sio

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Gene Tucker:

 -=> Quoting Gene Tucker to Roy J. Tellason <=-

 GT> Well high resistance in the phone line can affect what each 
 GT> modem sees. And so can a bad equaliztion across the frequency 
 GT> sweep from 20hz to 20000hz the slope should be no more or no 
 GT> less than +3db for good high speed modem connects. 

 RT>Try 300 - 3000 Hz,  which is more like the bandwidth of a 
 RT>typical phone line...

 RT>No way do they go out to 20Khz!

 GT> You are talking for voice communication right?

 LE> Yep. A standard telephone line only passes frequencies from 
 LE> 30-3000 Hz. 

Try 300-3000 Hz.  <g>

 LE> Digital lines pass up to 4000 Hz. That's all that's *needed* 
 LE> for voice communications. Music requires at least 20 kHz. 
 LE> That's the top of "normal" hearing. Though there are folks like 
 LE> me who can hear above 30 KHz (trust me, it being a "benefit" of 
 LE> asthma as a kid, I could do without it).

I have the opposite condition,  caused by way too much loud music back then. 
Hanging out at the range with no hearing protection is another way to
accomplish that,  I suppose.

 LE> For digitizing sound, you want to sample at at least twice the 
 LE> rate of the highest frequency, thus CDs sampling at 44kHz only 
 LE> reproduce frequencies up to 22kHz.

Not that high -- you don't want to *reach* the value of half the sampling
frequency,  but stay nontrivially below it.  Every design I've ever seen has
extensive filtering before the A/D converter.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    13-Sep-99 11:10:18
  To: Holger Granholm                                   13-Sep-99 20:51:01
Subj: Sio

Holger Granholm made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Holger,

BH>A normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any
BH>higher rates will result in data/carrier losses.

 HG> Sorry Bas but your mileage varies compared to mine. I get
 HG> stable connects with my ISP at 48000 every time and have
 HG> never experienced any kind of losses. Maybe your phone lines
 HG> are not up to the task. 

We are talking Belgium here:-)

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Will Honea                                        14-Sep-99 01:08:01
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   14-Sep-99 01:08:01
Subj: 4x4 drives

Roy J. Tellason wrote to all on 09-13-1999

RT> I have a couple of NEC 4x4 cdrom changers here,  and was 
RT> wondering how they would show up under Warp Connect -- 
RT> would they be seen as eight separate drive letters,  or 
RT> what?  Do I need any special drivers installed in order to 
RT> be able to use them?
RT> 
RT> I've currently got them installed in the Linux box here,  
RT> but it's starting to look like it's going to be a real 
RT> hassle to be able to use more than one disc per drive,  
RT> which sorta misses the whole point.

One changer = 4 drive letters, one per slot.  Got a couple of those
myself.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Charles Bowman                                    13-Sep-99 22:40:02
  To: All                                               14-Sep-99 11:39:26
Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp

Hello All!

I've been trying to get my Warp 4.0 setup moved on to a new WD 27.3
gig drive, unfortunately fdisk doesn't seem to cooperate.

What is the upper limit?  My bios is using LBA and it sees the entire drive.
I can access all of it if I load Warp on another drive (4 gig).

Any ideas?

cbowman57@hotmail.com 
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From: Herbert Bushong                                   13-Sep-99 07:45:00
  To: Gene Tucker                                       14-Sep-99 11:39:26
Subj: Sio

::> ::> Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3)
::> ::>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^

::> HB>No, that is the equivalent of VCOM.SYS and VSIO.SYS.  It is not the sam
::> HB>VMODEM.EXE.

::> You are correct about what Vmodem.exe is. He may not even know about using
::> as a virtual modem for telenet access.

I know; I use it all the time to telnet using Telix/DOS. :)

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    13-Sep-99 12:53:20
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  14-Sep-99 15:31:09
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hallo Leonard,

Op 11-09-99 02:56 schreef je aan Tobias Ernst:

LE> I've got a TrackMan Marble+. It works ok, except that the scroll wheel
LE> doesn't do anything. Well, you can "click" it as if it was a standard
LE> third button, but rolling it does nothing. <sigh>

The scroll wheel on my Logitech mouse is working under OS/2. See my reply to
Tobias Ernst.

  Groeten   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    13-Sep-99 12:57:12
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    14-Sep-99 15:31:09
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hallo Kris,

Op 11-09-99 10:34 schreef je aan Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> Doesn't matter, the cheapest ISDN has two lines.

KS> Indeed ISDN went cheap here, last few weeks.

Hmm, I didn't say that ISDN is cheap, I just said that the cheapest ISDN has
two lines.

  Groeten   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   13-Sep-99 08:03:18
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    14-Sep-99 20:30:17
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Sunday September 12 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Steve
Mccrystal:
;
Kris,

 SM>> Just curious... have you looked to see just what was change
 SM>> in the 2.30/2.31 Matrox drivers vs the 2.23 release?

 KS> Yep.
 KS> I even did compare with te different biosses.

That's not what I was asking, but I'm almost getting used to it.

 SM>> Here's a hint... do you have a G-400 AGP card, for which
 SM>> both the 2.30 and 2.31 betas were released?

 SM>> In short, Matrox never claimed (to my knowledge) that the
 SM>> leatest *BETA* drivers would do anything for your hardware
 SM>> (or my G-200, for that matter)! And, they specifically asked
 SM>> that at least the 2.31 version *NOT BE DISTRIBUTED* by the
 SM>> guy who uploaded them to Hobbes (and by everyone else to
 SM>> whom the sent them, I assume).

 KS> Sadly, the 2.21 @ 2.23 do suck all the time, and as far as I know
 KS> the 2.21, 2.22 and 2.23 are genuine official GA. I wrote Matrox
 KS> 2 emails  about the 2.23, and I even didn't get a reply from one
 KS> of their answering machines. Wich indicates clearly they are
 KS> refusing any reply. If they don't want to talk about beta, that's
 KS> fine for me.

I suspect they know to whom they sent the betas, and refuse comment to others. 
Fortunately, I don't have that problem!

 KS> Steve, sorry, maybe it's your age, but I'm afraid you aren't
 KS> capable anymore of remembering all those mail you are reading. I
 KS> wrote already

Actually, I try hard to forget most of the mindless drivel that spews forth
from Flanders Field!

 KS> BTW: You are saying the 2.31 are only there for the G-200. That
 KS> isn't correct eighter:

Which is what prompted my original question!  According to the folks at Matrox 
(who will, BTW, correspond with me) the *beta* 2.30/2.31 drivers are written
to fix problems with the G-400 card.  THE REST OF THE CODE HAS NOT BEEN
CHANGED, except as necessary to impliment the G-400 fixes.  *THAT* is why they 
requested that the drivers not be distributed EXCEPT by them, to people who
actually have a G-400 card. Of course, someone had to upload them to Hobbes,
in direct contradiction with the Matrox request, so now they get to answer
complaints from the truly clueless about driver releases said clueless should
not even have!

Why do *YOU* suppose they made the request in the first place? Do *you* have
even the slightest idea what *BETA* means in this context?

What I'm saying is, if Matrox sent you the 2.30/2.31 betas, and you have
problems with them, tell Matrox.  If they didn't, don't tell the rest of us.
We don't care, as you shouldn't be using them in the first place!

 KS> As a last ressource ofcoz,  you can suggest I wrote the readme
 KS> myself. It's eighter that, or I do have an option to question
 KS> your credebility.

Question what you like.  Your technical competence stands out like a whore in
church! There is no need to question it, you display it in every post.

-[Steve]-

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  14-Sep-99 03:12:02
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   14-Sep-99 20:30:17
Subj: Sio

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Leonard Erickson <=-

 RT>Try 300 - 3000 Hz,  which is more like the bandwidth of a 
 RT>typical phone line...
 
 RT>No way do they go out to 20Khz!
 
 GT> You are talking for voice communication right?
 
 LE> Yep. A standard telephone line only passes frequencies from 
 LE> 30-3000 Hz. 

 RJT> Try 300-3000 Hz.  <g>

30, 300, it's all a low growl to me. :-)
 
 LE> Digital lines pass up to 4000 Hz. That's all that's *needed* 
 LE> for voice communications. Music requires at least 20 kHz. 
 LE> That's the top of "normal" hearing. Though there are folks like 
 LE> me who can hear above 30 KHz (trust me, it being a "benefit" of 
 LE> asthma as a kid, I could do without it).

 RJT> I have the opposite condition,  caused by way too much loud music back
 RJT> then.  Hanging out at the range with no hearing protection is another
 RJT> way to accomplish that,  I suppose. 

I've likely got gaps all over the place in my hearing from various
things like that. I *do* use hearing protection when shooting. 

And hearing above 20 Khz is mostly notable for enabling you to suffer
from failing glyback transformer whines, porrly set up "silent" alarm
systems, etc. 

 LE> For digitizing sound, you want to sample at at least twice the 
 LE> rate of the highest frequency, thus CDs sampling at 44kHz only 
 LE> reproduce frequencies up to 22kHz.

 RJT> Not that high -- you don't want to *reach* the value of half the
 RJT> sampling frequency,  but stay nontrivially below it.  Every design
 RJT> I've ever seen has extensive filtering before the A/D converter. 

I'm more into the *theory* end of this than the practical stuff.



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From: Tobias Ernst                                      14-Sep-99 09:11:03
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   14-Sep-99 20:30:17
Subj: 4x4 drives

Hallo Roy!

 RJT> I have a couple of NEC 4x4 cdrom changers here,  and was wondering 
 RJT> how they would show up under Warp Connect -- would they be seen as 
 RJT> eight separate drive letters,  or what? 

Yes.

 RJT> Do I need any special drivers installed in order to be able to use them?

You need to enable multile LUN support in your SCSI driver.

 RJT> I've currently got them installed in the Linux box here,  but it's 
 RJT> starting to look like it's going to be a real hassle to be able to 
 RJT> use more than one disc per drive,  which sorta misses the whole 
 RJT> point.

I have one at a FreeBSD box and it really wasn't too complicated.  You just
have to create four proper device inodes, and then can mount them each at a
location you like. Provided the kernel probes all four logical devices, of
course ...

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: Gene Tucker                                       14-Sep-99 20:58:00
  To: Herbert Bushong                                   14-Sep-99 20:58:00
Subj: Sio

In a message dated 09-13-99, Herbert Bushong said to Gene Tucker:


::> ::> Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3)
::> ::>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^

::> HB>No, that is the equivalent of VCOM.SYS and VSIO.SYS.  It is not the sam
::> HB>VMODEM.EXE.

::> You are correct about what Vmodem.exe is. He may not even know about using
::> as a virtual modem for telenet access.

HB>I know; I use it all the time to telnet using Telix/DOS. :)

OK then for that you win a free copy of the next Dos version of Telix.:) I
used
to use 3.15 myself when I first started BBSing. 
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From: Gene Tucker                                       14-Sep-99 21:00:01
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   14-Sep-99 21:00:01
Subj: Sio

RT>I have the opposite condition,  caused by way too much loud 
RT>music back then.  Hanging out at the range with no hearing 
RT>protection is another way to accomplish that,  I suppose.


Me too I used to play loud Hard Rock music. Drums of course.:)
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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    13-Sep-99 23:53:05
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  14-Sep-99 22:37:23
Subj: Sio

Hello Leonard,

13 Sep 99 01:05, Leonard Erickson wrote to Gene Tucker:

 LE> voice communications. Music requires at least 20 kHz. That's the top
 LE> of "normal" hearing. Though there are folks like me who can hear above

I wouldn't go so far as to say music *requires* up to 20 KHz, because that
would mean that none of the existent FM radio stations are transmitting music, 
considering FM is capped at 15 KHz. :-) The stereo field settled on 20-20K as
the standard frequency spectrum, largely because it's a nice round set of
numbers and it exceeds by a degree the audible spectrum for the average human, 
many of whom are doing good to hear 15K. About the only thing you'll find up
there are harmonics, the fundamentals for pretty much any musical instrument
fall below that.

 LE> For digitizing sound, you want to sample at at least twice the rate of
 LE> the highest frequency, thus CDs sampling at 44kHz only reproduce
 LE> frequencies up to 22kHz.

Which is still a bit higher than any other commonly used media.

Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   14-Sep-99 19:55:19
  To: Will Honea                                        15-Sep-99 00:48:05
Subj: 4x4 drives

Will Honea wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 WH> Roy J. Tellason wrote to all on 09-13-1999

RT> I have a couple of NEC 4x4 cdrom changers here,  and was 
RT> wondering how they would show up under Warp Connect -- would 
RT> they be seen as eight separate drive letters,  or what?  Do I 
RT> need any special drivers installed in order to be able to use 
RT> them?

RT> I've currently got them installed in the Linux box here,  but 
RT> it's starting to look like it's going to be a real hassle to be 
RT> able to use more than one disc per drive,  which sorta misses 
RT> the whole point.

 WH> One changer = 4 drive letters, one per slot.  Got a couple of 
 WH> those myself.

Cool.  I think I'm going to be moving them,  then,  and sticking them in the
OS/2 box here,  which seems to be easy enough to share with the w95 box.  Now
if only I could get Linux to cooperate and share nicely too...    <g>

And they're recognized as four drives just like that,  no special stuff needed 
to use any particular drivers or anything?  Did you have to install with them
in there or will some aspect of selective install be good enough to do it?

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From: Will Honea                                        15-Sep-99 01:46:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Sep-99 01:46:00
Subj: 4x4 drives

Roy J. Tellason wrote to Will Honea on 09-14-1999

RT> Cool.  I think I'm going to be moving them,  then,  and 
RT> sticking them in the OS/2 box here,  which seems to be easy 
RT> enough to share with the w95 box.  Now if only I could get 
RT> Linux to cooperate and share nicely too...    <g>
RT> 
RT> And they're recognized as four drives just like that,  no special
RT> stuff  needed to use any particular drivers or anything?  Did you 
RT> have to install with them in there or will some aspect of  selective
RT> install be good enough to do it? 

I ass-u-me'd you had the IDE variety as I do.  If so, they should be
picked up like any other CD.  Someone else mentioned to possible need
for a command line switch if you have the SCSI flavor.  And yes, they
go in 'just like that'.  You may have to diddle a bit with the driver
setup and versions - I think you have Warp 3 ? - but you should be able
to run any 3/4 version of the necessary .flt's and .add's.

Warning: some operations - like opening the drives folder - will drive
you to distraction with the wait while each and every unit is accessed!

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Scott Jones                                       14-Sep-99 03:50:22
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                15-Sep-99 06:14:29
Subj: Re: Video Cards

-=> Stewart Honsberger wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 SJ> I've got a 4MB ViRGE/DX here.  There are newer drivers on Leo
 SJ> (v1.03.25 vs. the 1.03.20 available on Hobbes),

 SH> What's Leo's URL?

http://www.leo.org/pub/comp/os/os2/leo/drivers/display/s3-virge.zip
The drivers are dated 1 June 99.

 SJ> but I find that the GRADD v0.80 drivers work even better (no
 SJ> disappearing text, improved graphics acceleration) for me than the
 SJ> S3 drivers running at 1024x768x65k.  YMMV, of course.

 SH> I found them to crash as soon as I opened a VDM. Then again, my DOS
 SH> support has been wacky for a while now. If I try to load an SVGA game
 SH> under a VDM I can't return to Warp. (CAD Commander will come up, but
 SH> even it can't restart the WPS sucessfully).

Haven't had that problem, myself.  The most graphics-intensive game I
play is Quake with a couple of heavy total conversions.  With the
1.03.25 S3 drivers, I was getting about 20 FPS on the timedemo.  Moving
to the accelerated GRADD drivers jumped me up to about 50 FPS (both at
320x200).

The only problem I have is the same as everyone else - v0.80 has a memory
leak.  But with 256MB of RAM, it takes a while to become intolerable. ;)

 SH> I'll be re-installing soon to play OS shuffle (I've got three of 'em,
 SH> and want to reorganize partitions), so maybe I'll try the GRADD drivers
 SH> then.

Couldn't hurt, though you *might* want to wait until the next revision
comes out, which will hopefully plug that leak.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: mark lewis                                        14-Sep-99 16:29:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         15-Sep-99 06:14:29
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

 jp> ml> the third 'disadvantage' in some eyes is that it is a 'rockwelloid'
 jp> ml> based modem... depending on your outlook, the less expensive
 jp> modem(s)
 jp> ml> are also generally 'throw away' modems when they are damaged... in
 jp> ml> other words, they are cheap enough to throw away and replace...

 jp> What is (potentially) bad about using the Rockwell chipset
 jp> ?

well, it's not really anything potentially bad... i guess maybe more of a name 
brand recognition thing... for example, before i bought my first USR modem, i 
went thru like 5 different modem manufacturers... all used rockwell stuff...
i was not happy with those experiances at all... i finally got enough money
together to get a USR and have never looked back... i can't say that i won;t
buy rockwell based equipment, but i will look close and hard at it because of 
the problems i had in the past... i know of many folk who have had no
problems and other who have ended up with similar to what i've been thru...
others and your experiances may be quite different...

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From: Louis Aubree                                      13-Sep-99 20:39:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      15-Sep-99 06:35:05
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

Hello Andy!
You replied to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard :

AR> Both the USR Courier and Sportster are are jumper configurable.
AR> The new Sportster is P'n'P with jumper override.

Recent versions no longer use these names. As it seems to me :
USR Courier --> 3Com 56K Professional Message Modem
USR Sportster --> 3Com 56K Message Modem

But that's on the French market. Other well known trademarks for
modems here : Kortex, Olitec. They are ahead on features with high
end models allowing to read e-mails while the PC/Mac is off. 
But many features depend on software for Win only (bundled).

    L.A.
  
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From: Louis Aubree                                      13-Sep-99 20:55:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      15-Sep-99 06:35:05
Subj: Modem Upgrade?

Excerpts focusing on modem upgrades :

AR> An almost total lack of ZOOM service.  And unless you know someone who ha
AR> that particular modem and can say for sure otherwise, also expect a decre
AR> in performance and possibly no upgrade route, such as flash ROM.  Some of
AR> the
AR> ZOOM modems could be upgraded with firmware at a high price.

[ snip ]

AR> "Cheap" does not always mean economical.  I started buying ZOOM when I fo
AR> the cost to upgrade my ancient 2400 Courier external was more than the pr
AR> of a new ZOOM.  I've had about 1/2 a dozen ZOOM modems and will never buy
AR> another.  When I wanted to upgrade my ZOOM 28.8 V.FC to V.34 they wanted 
AR> lot
AR> more money for that.  And reports about poor performance continued for a
AR> year
AR> after ZOOM had V.90.  Although recent reports are that ZOOM did eventuall
AR> get
AR> V.90 working better, just a very long time after everyone else got it rig

[ snip ]

AR> There are other brands than USR that have flash ROM upgrade capability.  
AR> think someone wrote that even some of the new ZOOM modems now have flash
AR> ROM.

Well, USR Courier owners were very happy with upgrades to higher
speeds during the past years. But is there any way left for speed
upgrade now ? (on plain old telephone service, of course, cause cable
and ADSL modems are much different and no upgrade from POTS to these
new devices.

      L.A.  
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From: Louis Aubree                                      13-Sep-99 21:13:00
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  15-Sep-99 06:35:05
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

RW> BTW..
RW> I'm sure you know this, but V90 is hi-speed on inbound, not
RW> outbound,  unless you are using a server modem and calling
RW> another server modem..  

What you name "server modem" is an ISDN modem (AFAIK). If well
featured, it can send in ISDN mode towards a V90 modem, at V90
speed(s). 

BW> Outbound falls back to 28k max (or so)..

Also 33.6 kpps (V34bis), if everything goes well.

    L.A.  
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From: Louis Aubree                                      13-Sep-99 21:39:00
  To: Jonathan De boyne poll                            15-Sep-99 06:35:05
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

 @SUBJECT:PCI(?) MODEM AND OS/2 WARP                                  N
Hello Jonathan!

I forgot this one :

 JdBP> It *must* support the 56Kib protocol.  (I forget what the v. number
 JdBP> is.)

V90, as AR said, but V90 is not 56Kib. Leave the 'i' (as I know now
you mean 'Ki'=1024). I prefer : "56 kbps" with a lower case 'k', for
this theoretical maximum speed.

   L.A.  
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From: Don Guy                                           14-Sep-99 22:00:27
  To: James Mckenzie                                    15-Sep-99 12:25:20
Subj: Logitech TrackMan - Scroll wheel

Greetings James!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from James
Mckenzie to Don Guy was intercepted...

 JM> However, the Scroll Mouse drivers (SCROLLMS.EXE) from IBM are
 JM> supposed to...

Must go take a look for it...  Thanks!

-Don



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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Sep-99 09:41:16
  To: Tobias Ernst                                      15-Sep-99 13:30:01
Subj: 4x4 drives

Tobias Ernst wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 TE> Hallo Roy!

 RJT> I have a couple of NEC 4x4 cdrom changers here,  and was wondering 
 RJT> how they would show up under Warp Connect -- would they be seen as 
 RJT> eight separate drive letters,  or what? 

 TE> Yes.

 RJT> Do I need any special drivers installed in order to be able to use them?

 TE> You need to enable multile LUN support in your SCSI driver.

These are not SCSI drives...

 RJT> I've currently got them installed in the Linux box here,  but it's 
 RJT> starting to look like it's going to be a real hassle to be able to 
 RJT> use more than one disc per drive,  which sorta misses the whole 
 RJT> point.

 TE> I have one at a FreeBSD box and it really wasn't too 
 TE> complicated.  You just have to create four proper device 
 TE> inodes, and then can mount them each at a location you like. 
 TE> Provided the kernel probes all four logical devices, of course 
 TE> ... 

Apparently it would have been a whole lot easier had I been able to get SCSI
drives,  but that's not the case.  I'm still unsure of how I might manage to
deal with it on that box,  which is why I'm considering moving them.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Sep-99 09:43:03
  To: Will Honea                                        15-Sep-99 13:30:01
Subj: 4x4 drives

Will Honea wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 WH> One changer = 4 drive letters, one per slot.  Got a couple
 WH> of those myself.

Are yours IDE or SCSI?  MIne are the former...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Sep-99 09:39:13
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  15-Sep-99 13:30:01
Subj: Sio

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> I have the opposite condition,  caused by way too much loud music back
 RJT> then.  Hanging out at the range with no hearing protection is another
 RJT> way to accomplish that,  I suppose. 

 LE> I've likely got gaps all over the place in my hearing from 
 LE> various things like that. I *do* use hearing protection when 
 LE> shooting.

So do I,  but there have been a few times...

 LE> And hearing above 20 Khz is mostly notable for enabling you to 
 LE> suffer from failing glyback transformer whines, porrly set up 
 LE> "silent" alarm systems, etc.

Yeah,  I remember a couple of times when something I was working on (tv,
monitor,  whatever) was "screaming" and my other half complained about it -- I 
couldn't hear a thing.

 LE> For digitizing sound, you want to sample at at least twice the 
 LE> rate of the highest frequency, thus CDs sampling at 44kHz only 
 LE> reproduce frequencies up to 22kHz.

 RJT> Not that high -- you don't want to *reach* the value of half 
 RJT> the sampling frequency,  but stay nontrivially below it.  Every 
 RJT> design I've ever seen has extensive filtering before the A/D 
 RJT> converter. 

 LE> I'm more into the *theory* end of this than the practical 
 LE> stuff. 

Theory says that when sampling you want to use a rate of _at least_ twice the
maximum input frequency to avoid aliasing,  so therefore it's gotta be _less
than_ the sampling frequency.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   14-Sep-99 20:58:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Sep-99 16:48:00
Subj: 4x4 drives

In a message dated 09-13-99, Roy J. Tellason said to all:

RT>I have a couple of NEC 4x4 cdrom changers here,  and was wondering
RT>how they would show up under Warp Connect -- would they be seen as
RT>eight separate drive letters,  or what?  Do I need any special
RT>drivers installed in order to be able to use them?

Hello Roy,

If you have an Adaptec SCSI controller, try adding /ET as a parameter to
the *.ADD file. I don't need it with my Nakamichi 5-changer here but I
know others do.

Yes, they will show up as separate drive letters.

RT>I've currently got them installed in the Linux box here,  but it's
RT>starting to look like it's going to be a real hassle to be able to
RT>use more than one disc per drive,  which sorta misses the whole
RT>point.

The /ET might help.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    12-Sep-99 10:05:11
  To: George Fliger                                     15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello George,
donderdag 09 september 1999 06.01, George Fliger wrote to Kris Steenhaut:


 GF> Matrox is an excellent product that you just happen to not like.  But,
 GF> just because you don't like it and don't care that my comments paint
 GF> the product in a much more pleasing light doesn't give you the right
 GF> to bash me for it.  Your attempts at being condescending are childish
 GF> at best.

Again playing the "it's only you" trick, h. Can't work anymore George, as to
many now have to much complaints About Matrox.

 GF> My suggestion to you is to go back home, go back to bed and get back
 GF> up on the right side.  You're in obvious need of a good nap.  It does
 GF> wonders for the attitude.

I would it could be thrue. But a good nap will not fix the sucking Matrox
2.21-2.22-2.23 drivers. And these drivers are genuine GA. So, the only one to
blame is Matrox.



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    12-Sep-99 14:10:13
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: SIO

Hello Steve,
zondag 05 september 1999 08.12, Steve McCrystal wrote to Holger Granholm:

 SM> ;
 SM> In a msg of <Friday September 03 1999>, Holger Granholm writes to Kris
 SM> Steenhaut: ; Holger,

 SM>>> Of course, you factored in the cost of the Quatech board?

 KS>>> The files are free for download. A free 32 port version. Don't
 KS>>> see much reason to pay for more for getting less.

 HG>> You seem to avoid answering that question!

 SM> Correct, altho somewhat legitimate!  The drivers do work with "legacy"
 SM> (their term, not mine) serial hardware. OTOH, Kris has a Quatech
 SM> multiport card, which is why I asked.

I NEVER stated or mentioned or even suggested I do have Quatech hardware. Time 
to read mail a bit less superficial, Steve.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    12-Sep-99 14:14:17
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Sio

Hello Bas,
woensdag 08 september 1999 16.49, Bas Heijermans wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 BH> high true the telephone lines so that you modem is loosing connects. A
 BH> normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any
 BH> higher rates will result in data/carrier losses.

Yep.So it is with the Sio, but not so with the Quatech. 49.000 is even the
avarage now. The difference between 45333 and 49000 isn't that much important, 
I do agree.
But with the Sio I had carrier losses indeed, if it was > 45333. Not so with
the Quatech. Wether it is the US Robotics or the el cheapo very cheapo,
connects are stable all the time. Don't know why, but that's what it is.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    12-Sep-99 14:28:17
  To: James Mckenzie                                    15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hello James,
donderdag 09 september 1999 02.16, James Mckenzie wrote to Don Guy:

 JM> Hello Don!

 JM> 08 Sep 99 10:53, Don Guy wrote to All:

 DG>> Greetings!

 DG>> Has anybody tried one of these beasties under OS/2?  I love the
 DG>> look and feel of them, but Logitech doesn't offer any drivers for
 DG>> OSs other than Windows and Mac...  I'm not particularly keen on
 DG>> shelling out for one of them if it's not going to work under the
 DG>> OS I spend 90% of my time in...

 JM> Got one here in the box.  The third mouse button does not work with
 JM> the "native" OS/2 mouse drivers.  This is "fixed" by using the RODENT
 JM> drivers. However, I could not get them to work here.\

The inbuild Rodent.sys option isn't very handy, indeed.

But there is a much better way:

1 Configure the mouse as a genuine PS/2:

++++ Knip.....Begin van het bestand config.sys .....++++

Device=E:\OS2\Boot\PMDD.Sys
Device=E:\OS2\Boot\PointDD.Sys
Device=E:\Os2\Rodent.Sys Protocol=PS DPI=640 BAUD=19200
Device=E:\OS2\Boot\Mouse.Sys TYPE=RODENT$

++++ Knip.....Einde van het bestand config.sys .....++++

Then, make use of the mse.exe ( MSE mouse program by Mark Kimes) or the well
known  Xit, the latest version 2.6 .

Both programs allow to use the 3th button at full extend. I have installed 3
cordless Logitech mouses on 3 different OS/2 only computers, and the combo
works magnificent on all of them. Go and pay the little shareware fee for one
of these 2 programs. You'll be pleased.

As Xit has more functional features, imho, I think it's the best bet for now.

BTW: before anyone could interfere: I do have both programs and I have payd
the shareware fee for both.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    12-Sep-99 14:45:27
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bas,
donderdag 09 september 1999 10.05, Bas Heijermans wrote to Eddy Thilleman:


 BH> I have to work on my PC, the 2.23 wasn't good and the original are.

Glad you are admitting it finally.

Sadly, the originals, as you call it (2.20.8 I presume), don't cope anymore
with biosses > 1.6.

Sorry, but this whole Matrox businnes has turned into a mess.



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    13-Sep-99 12:21:07
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Eddy,
vrijdag 10 september 1999 09.43, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 ET> Hallo Kris,

 ET> Op 05-09-99 11:01 schreef je aan Eddy Thilleman:

 KS>> The 2.21 are messing up the whole screen. Back on 2.31 now, and
 KS>> awaiting the SDD as ultimate resource.

 ET> I never have experienced these problems.

Are your seamless Winos2 sessions working now too?



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    13-Sep-99 12:23:07
  To: Don Guy                                           15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hello Don,
zaterdag 11 september 1999 09.01, Don Guy wrote to James Mckenzie:


 DG> To be honest, the only time I've ever found a third mouse button
 DG> useful is in a few games I have which support it...  :-)

Matter of tast, ofcoz. But I have assigned the LMB double click as a 3th
button ONE click. Very, very convinient, imho.

You'll need Xit or MSE (or both) in order the reassign the 3th button.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    13-Sep-99 12:27:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Sio

Hello Holger,
vrijdag 10 september 1999 22.00, Holger Granholm wrote to Bas Heijermans:

 HG> In a message dated 09-08-99, Bas Heijermans said to Kris Steenhaut:

 HG> Hello Bas,

 BH>> A normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any
 BH>> higher rates will result in data/carrier losses.

 HG> Sorry Bas but your mileage varies compared to mine. I get stable
 HG> connects with my ISP at 48000 every time and have never experienced
 HG> any kind of losses. Maybe your phone lines are not up to the task.

Indeed, it's not about "our" mileages, but about our telcom's ones. I presume
that's exactly the reason why the Quatech do better here than the SIO.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    14-Sep-99 11:25:06
  To: All                                               15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: To boot from an IDE Zip-100

Hello All,

A few weeks ago, I was inquiring about the problem to boot from an IDE
Zip-100,
if there is an option in the bios to do so.

I finally wrote to the supreme guru himself, and here is what Sam was
answering:


++++ Knip.....Begin van het bestand 1.1 .....++++

>
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:25:01 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>
> >I'm I doing something wrong, or can't OS/2 boot at all from the Zip?

 OS/2 can boot from the ZIP IF it is the ONLY drive..
 otherwise the drive letters change part way thru the boot sequence
 and mess everything up...

++++ Knip.....Einde van het bestand 1.1 .....++++

A damn pity.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    14-Sep-99 15:09:21
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Sio

Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Eddy,

BH> normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any
BH> higher rates will result in data/carrier losses.

 ET> My connects with my ISP are for the most part at 50667 bps,
 ET> some are at 52000 bps and last I saw a connect at 53333 bps.
 ET> All my connects are stable, I don't experience carrier loss
 ET> or data loss.

Here in Belgium Belgacom doesn't promise rates over 9600 Bps and in most cases 
up-to 44000 will be good and stable, but I wouldn't recomment any higher
rates.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    14-Sep-99 15:12:12
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Sio

Kris Steenhaut made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Kris,

 BH> high true the telephone lines so that you modem is loosing connects. A
 BH> normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any
 BH> higher rates will result in data/carrier losses.

 KS> Yep.So it is with the Sio, but not so with the Quatech.
 KS> 49.000 is even the avarage now. The difference between 45333
 KS> and 49000 isn't that much important, I do agree.
 KS> But with the Sio I had carrier losses indeed, if it was >
 KS> 45333. Not so with the Quatech. Wether it is the US Robotics
 KS> or the el cheapo very cheapo, connects are stable all the
 KS> time. Don't know why, but that's what it is.

First of all, the Qcom drivers are not stable, I have tried them here for
several day's non-stop, after a few day's they lose connection with the FIFO
and you need to reboot to get it working again.
The diverance with connect speeds has to do with your ISP-modem, your-modem
and the Telco(mpany).
SIO, QCOM or any other driver have no say in this, my experiance here in
Belgium is that you have to force your modem to 44000 or lower to have stable
connections.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    14-Sep-99 15:17:11
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    15-Sep-99 18:34:18
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Kris Steenhaut made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Kris,

 BH> I have to work on my PC, the 2.23 wasn't good and the original are.

 KS> Glad you are admitting it finally.

 KS> Sadly, the originals, as you call it (2.20.8 I presume),
 KS> don't cope anymore with biosses > 1.6.

 KS> Sorry, but this whole Matrox businnes has turned into a
 KS> mess. 

Well it's not only Matrox that give problems, I suspect that Fixpak 10 and
above have more to do with the problems.
But I still find the Matrox cards the best that are arround for OS/2, you just 
have to use the right driver and the one that came on the CDrom doens't seem
to give me any problems whatsoever.
NetScape is another story, that piece of crap (versions 4.04 and 2.02) has
problems on any computer or OS/2 any version that I have seen so far.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Sep-99 16:36:23
  To: Will Honea                                        15-Sep-99 22:14:15
Subj: 4x4 drives

Will Honea wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 WH> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Will Honea on 09-14-1999

RT> Cool.  I think I'm going to be moving them,  then,  and 
RT> sticking them in the OS/2 box here,  which seems to be easy 
RT> enough to share with the w95 box.  Now if only I could get 
RT> Linux to cooperate and share nicely too...    <g>
RT> 
RT> And they're recognized as four drives just like that,  no special
RT> stuff  needed to use any particular drivers or anything?  Did you 
RT> have to install with them in there or will some aspect of  selective
RT> install be good enough to do it? 

 WH> I ass-u-me'd you had the IDE variety as I do. 

Yes.  Which is why I started to wonder at the mention of SCSI LUNs in another
response to that post...   <g>

 WH> If so, they should be picked up like any other CD.  Someone 
 WH> else mentioned to possible need for a command line switch if 
 WH> you have the SCSI flavor.  And yes, they go in 'just like 
 WH> that'.

Good.  I think I'm going to move them on over,  then.

 WH> You may have to diddle a bit with the driver setup and versions 
 WH> - I think you have Warp 3 ? - 

Warp Connect,  actually.  3-1/2?  :-)

 WH> but you should be able to run any 3/4 version of the necessary 
 WH> .flt's and .add's.

 WH> Warning: some operations - like opening the drives folder - 
 WH> will drive you to distraction with the wait while each and 
 WH> every unit is accessed!

I wonder what it'll be like opening up some shares on them?  That's the whole
idea,  there,  being able to put a bunch of cdroms in at one shot and not
having to keep swapping discs in and out.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   15-Sep-99 19:32:17
  To: Holger Granholm                                   15-Sep-99 22:14:15
Subj: 4x4 drives

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 HG> In a message dated 09-13-99, Roy J. Tellason said to all:

RT>I have a couple of NEC 4x4 cdrom changers here,  and was wondering
RT>how they would show up under Warp Connect -- would they be seen as
RT>eight separate drive letters,  or what?  Do I need any special
RT>drivers installed in order to be able to use them?

 HG> If you have an Adaptec SCSI controller, try adding /ET as a 
 HG> parameter to the *.ADD file. I don't need it with my Nakamichi 
 HG> 5-changer here but I know others do.

 HG> Yes, they will show up as separate drive letters.

Would that these _were_ SCSI drives,  if that were the case they wouldn't have 
a problem being seen under Linux...

RT>I've currently got them installed in the Linux box here,  but it's
RT>starting to look like it's going to be a real hassle to be able to
RT>use more than one disc per drive,  which sorta misses the whole
RT>point.

 HG> The /ET might help.

Not too likely!

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From: Gene Tucker                                       15-Sep-99 22:21:00
  To: Mark Lewis                                        15-Sep-99 22:21:00
Subj: Pci(?) Modem And Os/2 Wa


ml>well, it's not really anything potentially bad... i guess maybe more of a 
ml>name brand recognition thing... for example, before i 
ml>bought my first USR modem, i went thru like 5 different 
ml>modem manufacturers... all used rockwell stuff... i was 
ml>not happy with those experiances at all... i finally got 
ml>enough money together to get a USR and have never looked 
ml>back... i can't say that i won;t buy rockwell based 
ml>equipment, but i will look close and hard at it because of 
ml>the problems i had in the past... i know of many folk who 
ml>have had no problems and other who have ended up with 
ml>similar to what i've been thru... others and your 
ml>experiances may be quite different...

ml>)\/(ark

I started out with Zoom and have used many other brands through the years. I
have come to feel the USR (3Com) Courier is the best modem I have ever owned.
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From: Will Honea                                        16-Sep-99 00:06:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Sep-99 00:06:00
Subj: 4x4 drives

Roy J. Tellason wrote to Will Honea on 09-15-1999

RT> I wonder what it'll be like opening up some shares on them? 
RT> That's the whole  idea,  there,  being able to put a bunch of cdroms
RT> in at  one shot and not having to keep swapping discs in and out. 

Oh, you can irritate the piss out of people with this arrangement <g>.
 The other night I had one machine installing a fixpak from on CD, the
wife was trying to look up some references on an encyclopedia CD,
daughter was trying to play SimCity (with video and sound <g>) and I
was searching for info on the Redbook CD.  Poor old changer was
spending 1% of it's time doing anything useful, 99% thrashing.  Worked
much better when I killed all the sessions but mine - after all, it's
MY CDROM player!

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  15-Sep-99 21:12:00
  To: Louis Aubree                                      16-Sep-99 07:00:23
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

*** Quoting Louis Aubree to Rich Wonneberger dated 09-13-99 ***
> RW> BTW..
> RW> I'm sure you know this, but V90 is hi-speed on inbound, not
> RW> outbound,  unless you are using a server modem and calling
> RW> another server modem..  
> 
> What you name "server modem" is an ISDN modem (AFAIK). If well
> featured, it can send in ISDN mode towards a V90 modem, at V90
> speed(s). 

Actually, I was talking about a modem for normal home phone lines, not an ISDN 
modem which is digital.  If I understood it right, you or I would buy a
normal V.90 modem (s/a a Courier).  I find a 44k connection is normal for my
line, and get peaks up to about 5.2 k/second for downloading..  If I upload a 
larger file, I find I peak about 2.8 k/second even if its to my homepage..  I 
have also found smaller files get lower rates either direction..

The V.90 modem they use at the ISP is a 'server modem', which will send at
v.90 speed (for my fast d-load), but I can only send at slow speed (v.34 I
-guess-).  The server modem is suppose to be big $$$ also, I have heard over
$600.00 (US).  About 3x the price of a Courier..

I suspect this is why if you were to telnet into my system it would be jerky
operations.  My end cant send as fast as receive.

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Peter Knapper                                     16-Sep-99 11:20:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Sep-99 07:00:23
Subj: 4x4 drives

Hi Roy,

I can confirm what Will is saying here, you may end up driving yourself nuts
over this (but your mileage may vary.......;-)).

 WH> Warning: some operations - like opening the drives folder - 
 WH> will drive you to distraction with the wait while each and 
 WH> every unit is accessed!

 RJT> I wonder what it'll be like opening up some shares on them? 

I have a PIONEER 6 CD SCSI changer on the BBS and another on this machine. On
the BBS its not a problem because Maximus V3 will stage CD files to the HD for 
transfers and I store all the CD File area descriptions on the HD, so
searching or browsing the File areas is very fast and does not require a CD
lookup. The CD is only actually accessed when a file HAS to be read from the
CD, when it is copied to the HD for a download. This means the CD changing
delay is not an issue at all. Fortunately Scott Dudley thought this all
through when he designed how Maximus uses these resources.

On this machine, I leave the CD cartridge out until I actually need a CD from
it. I also have a "normal" SCSI CD drive that I put up as a share, but (IMHO)
sharing a changer is just not practical unless the machine has a very
dedicated task that MUST use a changer all the time. Too much S/W wants to go
looking at EVERY drive letter configured on a system, once your changer has
performed 100 changes in a few hours you will quickly take it out of the
equation. Note also that a changer shared across a LAN will exhibit the same
behaviour, except any access to it will involve 2 machines, not just 1...

I dont share either Changer, but I do share the fixed CD drive. I hope this
helps.........pk.


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From: Herbert Bushong                                   15-Sep-99 10:35:00
  To: Gene Tucker                                       16-Sep-99 14:07:10
Subj: Sio

::> HB>I know; I use it all the time to telnet using Telix/DOS. :)

::> OK then for that you win a free copy of the next Dos version of Telix.:) I
::> to use 3.15 myself when I first started BBSing.

hehe, I use 3.22 (Registered). I did grab the last 3.51 version, but they 
wanted $$ for an upgrade that didn't have diddly-spit added to it, so I went 
back and stayed with trusty old 3.22. 

#  Herbert Bushong    harchon@centuryinter.net       [TEAM OS/2]    
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From: Andy Roberts                                      15-Sep-99 20:50:18
  To: Louis Aubree                                      16-Sep-99 14:50:01
Subj: Modem Upgrade?

 Louis Aubree,

13-Sep-99 20:55:00, Louis Aubree wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: Modem Upgrade?

This discussion would be better in a modem echo such as USR_MODEMS.

 LA> Well, USR Courier owners were very happy with upgrades to higher
 LA> speeds during the past years. But is there any way left for speed
 LA> upgrade now ? (on plain old telephone service, of course, cause
 LA> cable and ADSL modems are much different and no upgrade from POTS
 LA> to these new devices.

I've heard that same question asked many times over the years in respect to
every speed from 50 baud up.  The answer is always yes there will be major
improvements, eventually.  Since you used the word "now", the solution is
probably limited to V.90 and making sure your line condition is peak.

I'm not in development anymore, nor do I read the modem echoes.

There is another option that has nothing to do with POTS nor ADSL nor Cable.
The new service uses the A/C Mains wiring or I should say the field around the
powered wiring as the transmission medium.  Test devices were capable of
better than T1 bandwidth.  The remote end device seemed to be a combination of
isolator/radio/dem (not modem) since it was just a de-modulator or receiver
not transmitter.  Comparisons were made to the Cable as far as application.

Another alternative that has already been established in several cities is the
wireless modem, similar to Cellular Telephone.  Last I checked it was almost
cost prohibitive as far as end user pricing.  OTOH so was Cellular when it
first got started and before popularity and competition caused the price to
drop significantly.

IMO concerning POTS, much of the problem with increasing data bandwidth has to
do with preventing interference with voice communication.  The solution for
the end users is the same as the solution for communication between LD TeleCo
C.O.'s, which is to convert the voice to data and then convert it back at the
far end.  That change will not come quickly.  The same solution was and still
is being applied to Cellular.  At present the hybrid and digital Cellular
phones cost more than the original type and service is not available in all
areas that are served by the original type of Cellular service.  So IMO the
solution for POTS is to change all the end user's phones to digital.
Obviously covering the expense to make that change will meet with resistance
from those who don't want to replace their old phone.  But from the TeleCo's
perspective, that would be a whole lot cheaper than installing new plant
wiring or fiber optic.

Actually I just want fiber optic ASAP and skip all the other hassles. <g>

                 Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Dave Davidson                                     15-Sep-99 20:34:21
  To: All                                               16-Sep-99 14:50:01
Subj: Iomega ZIP

 This may have been resolved previously, however I don't have it in my
 message base.

 I have an Iomega ZIP ATAPI Internal drive. It is recognized by the Bios
 and WIN98 without any additional drivers however OS/2 Warp 4 doesn't
 see it and the  Iomega drivers I have are for the External Parallel port
 version which doesn't help with this unit.

 System is; AMD K6/2-350, Award Bios, 10.2GB Seagate as Master on Primary
 controller, 2.5GB Seagate as Slave. 24x NEC CD as Master on the Secondary
 controller with the ZIP as Slave.

 Any suggestions on how to get Warp 4 to see this drive?

 Thanks..


 Have a GREAT one!

 Dave Davidson                        dad50@primary.net
                                      ICQ: 37076334
                                      dad500@aol.com


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       15-Sep-99 19:30:00
  To: KRIS STEENHAUT                                    16-Sep-99 18:53:03
Subj: Sio

Some senseless babbling from Kris Steenhaut to Holger Granholm
on 09-13-99  12:27 about Sio...

 KS> Hello Holger,
 KS> vrijdag 10 september 1999 22.00, Holger Granholm wrote to Bas
 KS> Heijermans: 
 HG> In a message dated 09-08-99, Bas Heijermans said to Kris Steenhaut:
 
 HG> Hello Bas,
 
 BH>> A normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any
 BH>> higher rates will result in data/carrier losses.
 
 HG> Sorry Bas but your mileage varies compared to mine. I get stable
 HG> connects with my ISP at 48000 every time and have never experienced
 HG> any kind of losses. Maybe your phone lines are not up to the task.

 KS> Indeed, it's not about "our" mileages, but about our telcom's ones. I
 KS> presume that's exactly the reason why the Quatech do better here than
 KS> the SIO. 

You don't seem to be getting the point.  It's literally impossible for 
either SIO or the Quatech drivers to affect your modems connection speed in 
any way.

If you noticed an improvement in performance when switching from SIO to 
Quatech, then you could only have chosen to do the change just as the phone 
company improved the lines.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Sep-99 14:02:27
  To: Will Honea                                        16-Sep-99 19:58:17
Subj: 4x4 drives

Will Honea wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 WH> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Will Honea on 09-15-1999

RT> I wonder what it'll be like opening up some shares on them? 
RT> That's the whole  idea,  there,  being able to put a bunch of cdroms
RT> in at  one shot and not having to keep swapping discs in and out. 

 WH> Oh, you can irritate the piss out of people with this 
 WH> arrangement <g>.  The other night I had one machine installing 
 WH> a fixpak from on CD, the wife was trying to look up some 
 WH> references on an encyclopedia CD, daughter was trying to play 
 WH> SimCity (with video and sound <g>) and I was searching for info 
 WH> on the Redbook CD.  Poor old changer was spending 1% of it's 
 WH> time doing anything useful, 99% thrashing.  Worked much better 
 WH> when I killed all the sessions but mine - after all, it's MY 
 WH> CDROM player!

That's the thing...

If I was going to leave them where they were and try to make some sort of
usable Linux kernel driver for these things,  it would almost *have to* have
some seriously nontrivial caching involved in it.  I have been pointed at a
code snippet that allows selection of which disc,  but that's a long ways from 
what's needed in there. 

I don't have a lot of cd stuff for the bbs,  which was my original thinking
with wanting one of those (and I have two of them now).  If that was where I
ended up using them then it wouldn't be a problem,  as Maximus "stages" things 
to the HD,  so you don't have a problem with needing subsequent accesses.

The current OS/2 box uses physical drives for A: - D: (E: being the current
cdrom in that box),  while F: - J: are mapped network drives.  Would those
move if I put the 4x4s in that box?  Or would they get letters assigned after
the network drives?

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From: Will Honea                                        16-Sep-99 20:06:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Sep-99 20:06:00
Subj: 4x4 drives

Roy J. Tellason wrote to Will Honea on 09-16-1999

RT> The current OS/2 box uses physical drives for A: - D: (E: being
RT> the current  cdrom in that box),  while F: - J: are mapped network 
RT> drives.  Would those move if I put the 4x4s in that box?   Or would
RT> they get letters assigned after the network drives? 

Yep - CDROMS are assigned drive letters at boot time, LAN drives at
logon/startup time.  I use the RESERVEDRIVELETTER= <a> in config.sys to
move the CDROM to S-V so that LAN drives can map adjacent to the other
drives.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        16-Sep-99 20:20:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      16-Sep-99 20:20:01
Subj: Modem Upgrade?

Andy Roberts wrote to Louis Aubree on 09-15-1999

AR> Another alternative that has already been established in several
AR> cities is the wireless modem, similar to Cellular Telephone.  Last I
AR> checked it was almost cost prohibitive as far as end user pricing. 
AR> OTOH so was Cellular when it first got started and before popularity
AR> and competition caused the price to drop significantly.

I set up several locations where we configured a central receiver and
a bunch of remotes - like REALLY remote - that could not be
realistically hooked to a phone line (top of a mountain, middle of a
garbage dump, mobile monitor, etc).  We used spread-spectrum radio
modems in the 1 ghz region and they worked reasonably well.  At a grand
or so per point it didn't take long to recover the cost in line savings
but I hate to try and run a reasonable ISP with them.  Even with all
the tricks co-channel interference is a PAIN!!  Besides, standing on a
ledge up a water tower trying to aim an antenna with the wind blowing
sorta spoiled my opinion of the system ;-{

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Tobias Ernst                                      16-Sep-99 11:37:12
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   17-Sep-99 06:53:28
Subj: 4x4 drives

Hallo Roy!

 RJT> These are not SCSI drives...

Oh. Sorry, then I can't help you, I have no idea how ATAPI changers work.

Viele Gruesse,
Tobias

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From: Don Guy                                           16-Sep-99 22:46:22
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    17-Sep-99 07:49:05
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Greetings Kris!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Kris
Steenhaut to Don Guy was intercepted...

 KS> You'll need Xit or MSE (or both) in order the reassign the 3th button.

Any suggestion as to where I could pick either of them up?


-Don



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From: Dan Egli                                          16-Sep-99 06:51:00
  To: All                                               17-Sep-99 07:49:05
Subj: PCI Modem and OS/2 4

i've seen much debate about various modems, but here's a basic question for
all.

I have a box w/ 1 ISA modem in it. No prob. Standard 2f8 address, std 
irq of 3. Now, I have a PCI modem that I want to add. But it's not
standard com address. And since there's no Windows on this box (except
Os/2s windows) I don't know what settings to force in SIO. Anyone got
any tips?


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  17-Sep-99 10:45:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   17-Sep-99 15:46:20
Subj: 4x4 drives

*** Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Will Honea dated 09-16-99 ***
> The current OS/2 box uses physical drives for A: - D: (E: being the 
> current cdrom in that box),  while F: - J: are mapped network drives.  
> Would those move if I put the 4x4s in that box?  Or would they get 
> letters assigned after the network drives?

I think the CD would be assigned letters before the drive mapping..  This is
why I start drive mapping later in the alphabet range..

There is a line you can add in config.sys tho I dont remember the exact syntex
Its something like   set reserveddrive=h  which starts the CD mapping at I (if 
you used h)..  If you started you CD at k or later it would leave the drive
mappings alone..  Someone here will correct me on the syntex..  :}
I also think its for W-4 or at least a certain FP for W-3..

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Sep-99 22:23:11
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   17-Sep-99 15:46:20
Subj: 4x4 drives

Hello Roy,

14 Sep 99 19:55, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Will Honea:

RT> And they're recognized as four drives just like that,  no special
RT> stuff needed to use any particular drivers or anything?

I don't have a diskchanger cdrom drive, but a friend of mine has one, you have 
to enable the multiple LUN support in your SCSI driver (mostly it's the /ET
parameter, check your SCSI driver).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   15-Sep-99 06:33:27
  To: Gene Tucker                                       17-Sep-99 20:11:10
Subj: Sio

;
In a msg of <Saturday September 11 1999>, Gene Tucker writes to Steve
Mccrystal:
;
Gene,

 GT> Ok so the frequency I was told as an expample was incorrect. I
 GT> see. Accoring to Roy T in is in the area of 300hz to 3000hz.

As you said that really isn't the issue, nor was it my point to contradict
you.

 GT> But on the issue of com drivers. I do agree with you. My point
 GT> has gotten lost though. and it is that line conditions affect
 GT> modem communications more than the drivers do.

On that we agree completely, for obvious reasons!  This is especially true
when discussing protocol negotiation, which is what Kris claimed was improved
by switching drivers.  While *that* is impossible, line conditions will
certainly affect throughput.

 GT>  personaly since I
 GT> use a Gtek JetportII I can't use andthing but the sio2k009
 GT> drivers. Which I find perfectly fine. I do hope to see a release
 GT> version but that seems dimmer and dimmer. But I can't really
 GT> complain as the beta runs good enough for me. Kris just needs to
 GT> realise he cannot trust the readouts from those drivers.


I wish I could make beta 9 work right for me.  I haven't mentioned it much,
because it IS a beta.  Someone here was kind enough to email me his config
file, which I modified for my hardware, but it still doesn't work *right*.
OTOH, the 1.60 release I'm using works just fine.

 GT> I think someone here needs to contact Ray Gwinn and see if the
 GT> driver will ever see a realease. I seem to have troble getting a
 GT> response from him. Which I do not take personally as many seem to
 GT> have the same problem with him.

There is only one guy here that I think can be assured of getting a reply from 
him (Hi, Bob! :^).  I know it's been a long time since I have been able to get 
one, altho at one time I corresponded with him on several occasions.

-[Steve]-

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From: Mike Roark                                        16-Sep-99 20:55:18
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    17-Sep-99 20:11:10
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Kris!

Sunday September 12 1999 10:05, Kris Steenhaut wrote to George Fliger:

 GF>> give you the right to bash me for it.  Your attempts at being
 GF>> condescending are childish at best.

 KS> Again playing the "it's only you" trick, h. Can't work anymore
 KS> George, as to many now have to much complaints About Matrox.

No, but you are the only one that continuously complains. And it does get
boring.


 KS> I would it could be thrue. But a good nap will not fix the sucking
 KS> Matrox 2.21-2.22-2.23 drivers. And these drivers are genuine GA. So,
 KS> the only one to blame is Matrox.

BZZZZT! Wrong answer.. Mine work just fine. Obviously George's do to. And a
lot of other folks say the same thing. When asked what card to recommend, a
lot of people say Matrox.

Obviously something is wrong with YOUR system. But you continuously blame
Matrox because you can't find the problem with YOUR system. You state that you 
have 3 systems with OS/2 on them. Are they identical except for the video
drivers? I'd bet not. It's often the little things that go unnoticed that make 
it appear that something is wrong with a part. How large are the os2.ini and
the os2sys.ini files? Are they corrupt? Have you re-built them? How many times 
have you changed video cards? Are you sure that everything was done correctly? 
Perhaps missed a step? No one is perfect, and missing something that is
important can happen to anyone.

That's a lot of questions. Let's see if there is a civilized answer to any of
them.

Have a good day!!
Mike

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From: Mike Roark                                        16-Sep-99 21:17:21
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    17-Sep-99 20:11:10
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Kris!

Sunday September 12 1999 14:45, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Bas Heijermans:


 KS> Sadly, the originals, as you call it (2.20.8 I presume), don't cope
 KS> anymore with biosses > 1.6.

There you go again.. Making statements based on only your perception. I am
running 2.22.078 with BIOS 2.6 on a matrox g200 AGP. And it does work quite
nicely.


 KS> Sorry, but this whole Matrox businnes has turned into a mess.

Good.. Get rid of it. I'll buy it from you But it has to be cheap. I'm not
sure what shape it is in. After all the switching you have done, it's a wonder 
it works at all.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 23h 52m 15s 812ms (en).

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From: Holger Granholm                                   16-Sep-99 19:50:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   17-Sep-99 21:57:14
Subj: 4x4 drives

In a message dated 09-15-99, Roy J. Tellason said to Holger Granholm:

RT>Would that these _were_ SCSI drives,  if that were the case they
RT>wouldn't have a problem being seen under Linux...

Suit yourself......

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   16-Sep-99 19:50:00
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    17-Sep-99 21:57:14
Subj: Matrox drivers?

In a message dated 09-14-99, Bas Heijermans said to Kris Steenhaut:

Hello Bas,

BH>NetScape is another story, that piece of crap (versions 4.04 and
BH>2.02) has problems on any computer or OS/2 any version that I have
BH>seen so far.

Tell me more!  What's your problem?  Running NS 2.02 here without any
apparent problems.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Sep-99 23:57:17
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    17-Sep-99 21:57:14
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Kris,

13 Sep 99 12:21, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

KS>>> The 2.21 are messing up the whole screen. Back on 2.31 now, and
KS>>> awaiting the SDD as ultimate resource.

ET>> I never have experienced these problems.

KS> Are your seamless Winos2 sessions working now too?

Yes, it's works fine. Despite I don't have a seamless option in the winos2
setup, seamless winos2 is working fine. I didn't know that until I tried
winos2 seamless.

I'm running the Matrox v2.21 video driver at 1280x102 at 32-bits. I've the
Scitech drivers but haven't tried them so far.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Sep-99 23:59:14
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    17-Sep-99 21:57:14
Subj: Sio

Hello Bas,

14 Sep 99 15:09, Bas Heijermans wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

BH> Here in Belgium Belgacom doesn't promise rates over 9600 Bps and in
BH> most cases up-to 44000 will be good and stable, but I wouldn't
BH> recomment any higher rates.

I guess you're unlucky. :(

The Dutch PTT Telecom doesn't guarantee anything for data transport over the
plain old analog telecom system, with my ISP I get most connect speeds at
50667, sometimes at 52000 and once last week I saw a 53333 bps connect, all
stable and no data lost, I download compressed files from internet, typically
with througput between 5000 and 6000 CPS, uncompressed text files and HTML
files (because they are uncompressed text files) around 11500 CPS.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    15-Sep-99 08:58:23
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    17-Sep-99 21:57:14
Subj: SIO

Hello Eddy,
zaterdag 11 september 1999 20.25, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 ET> Hallo Kris,

 ET> Op 08-09-99 08:13 schreef je aan Eddy Thilleman:

 KS>> And did you compare with the Quatech?

 ET> No, I'm not in a hurry to try the Quatech drivers.

You are not bounf to.

 KS>> We might differ on that. Actually, you are saying the Warp stock
 KS>> comm drivers (comm.sys, vcom.sys) are just as good as any other.
 KS>> No, I'm becoming fully aware drivers are far more important that
 KS>> hardware.

 ET> No, you're reading incorrect. I'm using SIO, I've said I'm using SIO
 ET> and still you say I use the stock Warp drivers?

I didn't say you ar using the Warp stock drivers, as I understood it, you said 
there is't much difference between the different brands.
That's why I asked if you made a life comparison already.

Nevertheless my apologies.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    15-Sep-99 09:08:19
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   17-Sep-99 21:57:14
Subj: 4x4 drives

Hello Roy,
maandag 13 september 1999 00.34, Roy J. Tellason wrote to all:

 RT> I have a couple of NEC 4x4 cdrom changers here,  and was wondering how
 RT> they would show up under Warp Connect -- would they be seen as eight
 RT> separate drive letters,  or what?  Do I need any special drivers

If the beast is a SCSI device, it will work excellent. If you do have an
Adaptec 2940x, maybe you will need the /ET (embedded target) switch:

Basedev=AIC7870.ADD /ET

On some systems, the /ET switch isn't necessary. Don't know why.



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    15-Sep-99 09:17:09
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    17-Sep-99 21:57:14
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hello Eddy,
zaterdag 11 september 1999 20.16, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Tobias Ernst:

 ET> Hallo Tobias,

 ET> On 09-09-99 08:32 you wrote to Don Guy:

 TE>> Of course it could be that if you have a model with that new
 TE>> scroll bar wheel (or what the heck it's called), it could be that
 TE>> the wheel does not work. I have never tried this, though, as I
 TE>> only have two TrackMen Marble without wheel.

 ET> I've a Logitech mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel which acts
 ET> also as a third button (by pressing it down), I have an OS/2 mouse
 ET> driver with support for the scroll wheel:

 ET> ScrollPoint Mouse Device Driver for OS/2
 ET> Version 2.01

Do I read it right: you can use the 3th buttom as 3th button by pressing it
down, and also you can use the scrolling up and down feature?


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Gene Tucker                                       17-Sep-99 22:01:00
  To: =                                                 17-Sep-99 22:01:00
Subj: Sio

In a message dated 09-15-99, Steve Mccrystal said to Gene Tucker:



 GT>  personaly since I
 GT> use a Gtek JetportII I can't use andthing but the sio2k009
 GT> drivers. Which I find perfectly fine. I do hope to see a release
 GT> version but that seems dimmer and dimmer. But I can't really
 GT> complain as the beta runs good enough for me. Kris just needs to
 GT> realise he cannot trust the readouts from those drivers.


SM>I wish I could make beta 9 work right for me.  I haven't 
SM>mentioned it much, because it IS a beta.  Someone here was 
SM>kind enough to email me his config file, which I modified 
SM>for my hardware, but it still doesn't work *right*. OTOH, 
SM>the 1.60 release I'm using works just fine.

It was me Steve.:) I did notice something odd when I set it up. I had trouble
because a line was repeated in the wrong place in the config.sys. I can only
say
that it had to be my error or even possibly the editor from FC/2. But I did
find
it viewing the config with the ehanced editor from OS/2. what was really weird
is this abnormal line did not even show up in the FC/2 editor/

SM>There is only one guy here that I think can be assured of 
SM>getting a reply from him (Hi, Bob! :^).  I know it's been a 
SM>long time since I have been able to get one, altho at one 
SM>time I corresponded with him on several occasions.

Yes, that is true. Bob seems to know him fairly well.

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