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From: williamd1@attglobal.net                           11-Dec-99 04:39:09
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 03:29:26
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: williamd1@attglobal.net (williamd)

This sounds *great*; thanks for posting the info! Here's hoping they
choose an appropriate domain name- like os2online or something!!

Bill

__
williamd1@attglobal.net

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From: mgreene@exis.net                                  11-Dec-99 00:05:19
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 03:29:26
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@exis.net>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:

>Here's some hot news for all you NON-Warp City Members:

Tim,

Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look at who you are
talking about - Innoval???? 

>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City (http://warpcity.com)
>"Y2K Special Discount Memberships Close 12/15!)
>

Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net>     |      OS/2 Warp / Linux / Win95-311



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From: godfrey@isl.stanford.edu                          11-Dec-99 04:55:06
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 03:29:26
Subj: Re: 2GB file size limit

From: godfrey@isl.stanford.edu

In <V6g44.149$ZT5.46877@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com>, Peter Fitzsimons
<pfitzsim@NOSPAMBASTARDS!home.com> writes:
>Jules Gilbert wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, what do I do?
>> 
>> I have a Adobe .pdf file (representing almost 700 pages of a manual)
>> which I want to print.
>> 
>> I would like two-sided copy, printed in reverse order on a Z-51 from
>> Lexmark.    I'd like two copies but I'm willing to run the print-job
>> twice.
>> 
>> I start the job, and of course wait while it 'prints' to an intermediate
>> disk file.  But at page 624, this intermediate file first exceeds 2GB

This raises an interesting point with respect to the Aurora JFS, which
supports 2TB files:

1. Does DosRead()/DosWrite() just read/write to the end?

2. Does DosSetFilePtr() allow incrementing the file pointer up to 2TB
   by successive calls with the increment set to 2GB-1?

If not, how does it work?

If I get a few free minutes, I'll give it a try. But, if someone knows...

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            11-Dec-99 06:11:23
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 03:29:26
Subj: Re: Back Again/2000

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

You guessed it.

And I discovered the reason for the latest problem: nothing to do with
either the drive or BA/2K, but a SCSI card I was trying out. Although it
had a switch setting for "Enable Termination," in fact it had no
on-board terminating resistors, just unoccupied solder pads.

Alan


Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
> 
> RE: Re: Back Again/2000
> BY: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>
> 
> ><384C14B9.116943E@optonline.net>
> >Let me add something here.
> >Obviously this (i/e., the BA/2000 Crash Recovery program not finding any
> >backup sets on the tape) is not a problem that other people are
> >encountering. Perhaps this is somehow connected with the problems I was
> >experiencing previously with BA/2, even though the symptoms are totally
> >different.
> >I am using an ancient tape drive that is no longer supported by the
> >company (Seagate) that took over the company (Conner) that took over the
> >original manufacturer (Archive). Who knows what bugs may exist in the
> >drive or its firmware?
> >I believe that CDS is a good company that stands behind its products.
> >Nobody should imagine that my experiences are typical.
> -
> do you by any chance own an Archive Python?

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From: nemo@union.edu                                    11-Dec-99 02:06:21
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 03:29:26
Subj: Re: BA/2K

From: nemo@union.edu

On the other hand, I can't even install the software.

I unzip ba2keval.zip and run setup. Nothing.

Archive integrity tested.

Got some suggestions?

Felmon

In <NNGqmIRtbIm0-pn2-L5xLOWfYl2Xs@cx373224-a.phnx3.az.home.com>, on
12/10/99 
   at 11:39 PM, ernfisch@home.com (Ernie Fisch) said:


>I gave my disaster recovery setup a test.  I created a test directory 
>and loaded about
>40 meg of files into it since I am working against the 50 meg eval 
>limit.  I backed up the
>files using BA/2K and then wiped the directory.

>Next I booted up from the disaster recovery diskettes (based on  bootos2)
>and got to
>the command line restore.  It found the backup on the tape and I 
>restored it to the empty
>directory.  Nary a hitch.

>One thing I noticed in the process is that the restore is back to the 
>original drive and
>directory, you have no choices.  OTOH you would only use disaster 
>recovery when the
>drive was munged anyway.

>ernie fisch


-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From:  JeanMichel.Dossogne@advalvas.be                  10-Dec-99 21:22:22
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 03:29:27
Subj: ibm works & y2k

From: "Jean-Michel Dossogne" < JeanMichel.Dossogne@advalvas.be>

Hello All.

any idea if it's y2k?
am running warp 3 connect fp40 version us
if the "works" that come with connect isn't y2k, any idea if there's a patch
for it, or an upgrade?
thanks for tips

Jean-Michel
http://home.freegates.be/doggys-club
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From: andrew@netneurotic.de                             11-Dec-99 09:45:17
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 05:07:10
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm)

Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> >Here's some hot news for all you NON-Warp City Members:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look at who you are
> talking about - Innoval???? 

Why? What's wrong with Innoval?

-- 
Fan of Woody Allen
User of MacOS, BeOS, LinuxPPC
Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    11-Dec-99 09:17:10
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 10:16:28
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm) 
wrote:

> Why? What's wrong with Innoval?

This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their 
newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients. 
Leaving loyal users out in the cold.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  11-Dec-99 10:02:25
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 10:16:29
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:17:20, rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm) 
> wrote:
> 
> > Why? What's wrong with Innoval?
> 
> This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their 
> newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients. 
> Leaving loyal users out in the cold.

.., thus proving conclusively that Innoval was in business to pay the 
grocery bills, rather than to promote OS/2. For the record, I use OS/2 
exclusively, but you really can't demand that a company put its resources 
into projects that don't pay back.

Happily, Innoval's Java-based mail client, "J Street Mailer", is now being 
developed and supported by users, and is now called "Polarbar". It is, as a
consequence, much improved over its condition when it was still an Innoval 
product, although it is still in its Beta phase. Things, you see, do 
sometimes work out for the best.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.


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From: NOSPAM_R.Ihle@S-t.De                              11-Dec-99 09:42:21
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 10:16:29
Subj: Re: 2GB file size limit

From: NOSPAM_R.Ihle@S-t.De (Ruediger Ihle)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:55:12, godfrey@isl.stanford.edu wrote:

> This raises an interesting point with respect to the Aurora JFS, which
> supports 2TB files:
>  
> 1. Does DosRead()/DosWrite() just read/write to the end?
>  
> 2. Does DosSetFilePtr() allow incrementing the file pointer up to 2TB
>    by successive calls with the increment set to 2GB-1?
>  
> If not, how does it work?
>  
> If I get a few free minutes, I'll give it a try. But, if someone knows...
> 

Take a look at ADDENDUM.INF of the WSeB toookit . There are some
new functions like DosOpenL(), DosSetFilePtrL() and DosSetFileSizeL()
to deal with this issue. DosRead() and DosWrite() does not seem to be
affected.


-- 
Ruediger "Rudi" Ihle [S&T Systemtechnik GmbH, Germany]
http://www.s-t.de
Please remove all characters left of the "R" in my email address

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From: JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk                       11-Dec-99 10:34:08
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 10:16:29
Subj: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)

I've got both Netscape 2.02 and 4.04 installed on my PC.  When I 
installed Pronews/2 it found the NN 2.02 and set up the helper tab of 
Properties to use that.

The pathname entry is:

f:\Apps\NETSCAPE\NETSCAPE.EXE

and the parameter entry is:

%U

which works fine with NN 2.02.

When I try and set it up for NN 4.04 using pathname and parameters:

f:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
%U

I get a Pronews/2 error message that says:

There was an error loading Netscape.  Please check that the settings 
are correct.  I suspect the %U is wrong - perhaps the parameter is 
wrong for NN 4.04?

BTW both NN2.02 and 4.04 run fine when started directly.

Any advice gratefully received. 

I've got NN4.61 but am waiting until I've done a major rebuild on the 
PC before installing it - besides which it's unlikely to clear this 
problem.

--
Jim Backus  OS/2 - 32 bits without the bloat
bona fide replies to jimb(at)jita(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk
http://www.jita.demon.co.uk

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               10-Dec-99 20:25:21
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 10:16:29
Subj: Re: RSJ help request ...

From: letoured@nospam.net

>> > > I'm using Warp 4 with Fixpak 12 and having problems with the RSJ 
>> > > burning package.

What isn't working? I have FP12 and no problems with a SCSI CDR

 
>> I tried that route with very, very little results ...
>> I almost got the impression that even RSJ cares very little for OS/2 
>> users ...
>Well I've got different experiences. Even emails were answered before  I
>bought rsj.  

I second this. Support has always responded to me within hours (adjusted
for the time zone differences of course).


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: scalisi@tin.it                                    11-Dec-99 11:59:07
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 10:16:29
Subj: Re: BootOS2 "disk full" problem

From: scalisi@tin.it

I use the following procedure:

1- format two diskette using a dos program that format 82 tracks. 2- lxlite
the complete (C:\*.*) OS/2 boot partition.
3- start bootos2

If anyone is interested, I can put here the dir list of the two diskettes I
use for transfer files (using LPTOOL) between A WIN98 fat32 partition and the
WARP.

--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Antonio(Nino) Scalisi           scalisi@tin.it
at 11:59(+0100, relative to GMT) on Saturday, 11 Dec 1999
Using MR/2 ICE v2.01  Reg: #20729.
Under ---> OS/2 WARP 4 rev.9.036 (fixpack 12)
Java ver.  1.1.8  build 19991026
ObjREXX 6.00   TCPIP 4.2 - MPTN 6.2007 (TCPIP 4.1 + W08620)
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Dec-99 14:07:15
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 14:33:26
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:34:17, JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
wrote:

> I've got both Netscape 2.02 and 4.04 installed on my PC.  When I 
> installed Pronews/2 it found the NN 2.02 and set up the helper tab of 
> Properties to use that.
> 
> The pathname entry is:
> 
> f:\Apps\NETSCAPE\NETSCAPE.EXE
> 
> and the parameter entry is:
> 
> %U
> 
> which works fine with NN 2.02.
> 
> When I try and set it up for NN 4.04 using pathname and parameters:
> 
> f:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
> %U
> 
> I get a Pronews/2 error message that says:
> 
> There was an error loading Netscape.  Please check that the settings 
> are correct.  I suspect the %U is wrong - perhaps the parameter is 
> wrong for NN 4.04?
> 
> BTW both NN2.02 and 4.04 run fine when started directly.

Try removing the line in the Helper Settings with "netscape" in it, 
completely. Just have the %U in its window.

Then make sure the directory with 4.04 comes before 2.02 in the 
LIBPATH and PATH entries in CONFIG.SYS.

According to ProNews help, you don't want to leave it this way, 
although it works fine on my system and has done for a long time, 
though I only have 4.6 installed here. I'm guessing you might have 
some conflicts in your PATH, LIBPATH or other entries?

------------HELP quoted begins  
  Pathname 
      This should point to the complete path and filename of Netscape.
If left blank ProNews 
      will attempt to locate and run Netscape, but even if successful 
plug-ins may refuse to 
      run unless the full path is specified. 

  Parameters 
      This item is used for specifying the parameters that will be 
passed to Netscape when it 
      is started.  %U is placed into this field by default and is used
to specify where 
      ProNews should replace the command line argument with and URL. 
-------------quoted ends    


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 11-Dec-99 14:13:17
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 14:33:26
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:

>> The company that I work for is searching for a manufacturing/accounting 
>> system...  The catch is that it must run in DOS, Windows 3.x, or OS/2.  
>> No windows 9x or NT.
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>
>My company sells one. ENTITY Systems Ltd.
>
>It does GL, A/R, A/P, Invoicing, Sales analysis,
>Bill of Materials and a bunch of other stuff.
>
>OS/2, Windows 3.1 and character mode on DOS

yay!  This sounds like just the sort of thing I've been searching for
for ages.  Got a URL?

Cheers,
Craig

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From: innoval@ibm.net                                   11-Dec-99 16:35:15
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 14:33:26
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: innoval@ibm.net

In article <zterrarrkvfarg.fmk8te0.pminews@news.exis.net>,
  "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@hotbot.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
> Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look at who you
> are talking about - Innoval????

Okay. Let's get some facts straight before this goes to far off topic.

AFST is actually offering ISP800 to OS/2 users, not InnoVal. Read the
details and the FAQ at isp800.com/os2/. I, Dan Porter, sought and
engineered the deal for OS/2 users. Anyone else (any supporter and user
of OS/2 like myself) could have done it just as easily. InnoVal may have
withdrawn from the OS/2 software market, but InnoVal still has OS/2
users and supporters, and the company does recognize that OS/2 users
WERE important to us and ARE important to us.

I, personally, and InnoVal, have a vested interest in AFST. When AFST
closes a big multi-user deal (and they have closed some very big deals)
I and InnoVal earn something for our efforts. I would be surprised if
OS/2 users as a group (oh, I wish it could be so) will be a big enough
deal to earn us anything -- certainly not at the prices being offered to
OS/2 users. It was just something that I wanted to do.

I've seen what AFST brings to the table with 65 tech support people (all
trained unfortunately in Windows stuff), 800 re-routed access, high
bandwidth, high capacity email, etc. It's a good deal, even if you don't
like InnoVal. All InnoVal did was try to bring you a good price when
AFST launches public consumer service under the ISP800 brand.

I was the one who pulled the plug on InnoVal's direct involvement with
OS/2 software. It was a financial thing that investors get concerned
about. Add to that, that as a company, we were not good enough with
support in the consumer marketplace. I thought we could be, but I was
mistaken. The market wasn't there anymore. So blame me. Not InnoVal.

InnoVal, BTW, is lobbying for OS/2 solutions, support, etc. with AFST
and its business partners and vendors. We are not doing so because we
are emotionally attached to OS/2 but because, in some areas, it makes
good business sense.

ISP800 makes good business sense. I feel good that we (all of us who
want to be a part of this) are, in a small way, involving two new
vendors (AFST and National Dialup) in the OS/2 world.

Dan Porter, President
InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.




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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Dec-99 15:42:15
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 14:33:26
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:07:30, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
Donnelly) wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:34:17, JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
> wrote:
> 
> > I've got both Netscape 2.02 and 4.04 installed on my PC.  When I 
> > installed Pronews/2 it found the NN 2.02 and set up the helper tab of 
> > Properties to use that.
> > 
> > The pathname entry is:
> > 
> > f:\Apps\NETSCAPE\NETSCAPE.EXE
> > 
> > and the parameter entry is:
> > 
> > %U
> > 
> > which works fine with NN 2.02.
> > 
> > When I try and set it up for NN 4.04 using pathname and parameters:
> > 
> > f:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
> > %U
> > 
> > I get a Pronews/2 error message that says:
> > 
> > There was an error loading Netscape.  Please check that the settings 
> > are correct.  I suspect the %U is wrong - perhaps the parameter is 
> > wrong for NN 4.04?
> > 
> > BTW both NN2.02 and 4.04 run fine when started directly.
> 
> Try removing the line in the Helper Settings with "netscape" in it, 
> completely. Just have the %U in its window.
> 
> Then make sure the directory with 4.04 comes before 2.02 in the 
> LIBPATH and PATH entries in CONFIG.SYS.
> 
> According to ProNews help, you don't want to leave it this way, 
> although it works fine on my system and has done for a long time, 
> though I only have 4.6 installed here. I'm guessing you might have 
> some conflicts in your PATH, LIBPATH or other entries?
> 
> ------------HELP quoted begins  
>   Pathname 
>       This should point to the complete path and filename of Netscape.
> If left blank ProNews 
>       will attempt to locate and run Netscape, but even if successful 
> plug-ins may refuse to 
>       run unless the full path is specified. 
> 
>   Parameters 
>       This item is used for specifying the parameters that will be 
> passed to Netscape when it 
>       is started.  %U is placed into this field by default and is used
> to specify where 
>       ProNews should replace the command line argument with and URL. 
> -------------quoted ends    

Another thought: There were a lot of conflicts involved in the various
PMDDEML.DLL builds that were being swapped in with Netscape installs, 
back when the 2.02 and 4.04 versions were coming out. Check your drive
and make sure you don't have different versions of it in your LIBPATH 
statement?


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: innoval@ibm.net                                   11-Dec-99 15:23:23
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 14:33:26
Subj: InnoVal Seeks Support for Post Road

From: innoval@ibm.net

InnoVal is seeking an individual, group or company interested in
assuming full responsibility for the Post Road Mailer. We are
particularly interested in someone who will enhance the OS/2 version.
Selected individual or company will be free to port the application to
other platforms, sell an enhanced version of the program, or offer it as
shareware/freeware on any platform.

Applicant individual, group, or company must agree to the following
terms:

* Current OS/2 version will be enhanced, to some extent, within four
months.

* If ported to another platform, the OS/2 version will be maintained
first and kept at a functional level equal to or a step ahead of
versions for other platforms.

If interested, please send a brief resume and any other information you
feel we should consider. Please understand that this is not an
employment offer; we are not paying anyone; nor are we offering to sell
anything. We are seeking someone to take over for us for the good of
OS/2.

For additional details, please see www.innoval.com.


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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    11-Dec-99 16:15:23
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 14:33:26
Subj: MySQL

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Is there an OS/2 MySQL server? I found some hints of MSQL, but that won't
do as I need to develop a database that will eventually run on MySQL on
a Unix platform.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers  www.mp3.com/pawnshop
                               | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
The New York City Beer Guide   | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | www.mp3.com/jeniferjackson

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           11-Dec-99 16:24:23
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 14:33:26
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:15:46, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:

> 
> Is there an OS/2 MySQL server? I found some hints of MSQL, but that won't
> do as I need to develop a database that will eventually run on MySQL on
> a Unix platform.
> 

Yes there is, take a look at ...

URL http://www.netlabs.org/projects/index.html

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Dec-99 16:50:26
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 14:33:26
Subj: Re: BootOS2 "disk full" problem

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:59:14, scalisi@tin.it wrote:

> I use the following procedure:
> 
> 1- format two diskette using a dos program that format 82 tracks. 2- lxlite
> the complete (C:\*.*) OS/2 boot partition.
> 3- start bootos2
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can put here the dir list of the two diskettes I
> use for transfer files (using LPTOOL) between A WIN98 fat32 partition and
the
> WARP.
> 
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Antonio(Nino) Scalisi           scalisi@tin.it
> at 11:59(+0100, relative to GMT) on Saturday, 11 Dec 1999
> Using MR/2 ICE v2.01  Reg: #20729.
> Under ---> OS/2 WARP 4 rev.9.036 (fixpack 12)
> Java ver.  1.1.8  build 19991026
> ObjREXX 6.00   TCPIP 4.2 - MPTN 6.2007 (TCPIP 4.1 + W08620)
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

I would advise caution if you try this approach. 

Many floppy drives CANNOT use 82 tracks (there seems to be a physical 
reason for this on some drives).

If you compress the whole OS/2 boot partition, you do run the risk of 
compressing some program that does not compress properly. You also run
the risk of compressing a program that is already compressed (this is 
not supposed to happen, but the LxLite author does warn about the 
possibility). If either of these things happens (there are other 
possibilities, good, and bad), you could end up with a non functioning
system.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               11-Dec-99 09:51:05
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 16:33:28
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

williamd wrote:

> This sounds *great*; thanks for posting the info! Here's hoping they
> choose an appropriate domain name- like os2online or something!!
>
> Bill
> __
> williamd1@attglobal.net

Thanks Bill.  InnoVal actually engineered the low-cost
deal for OS/2 users in partnership with AFST (Advanced
Family Safe Technologies, Inc) and it is a great deal for
OS/2 users.

Get in now and it is only $12 a month for an entire year
with  56k connections, 100% dialup access either locally
or through an 800 number (and that includes Hawaii, Alaska
and Puerto Rico), 24 hours a day, 7 days a week access.
Go to any other vendor and ask for a discount because
you use OS/2 and they ignore you.  Sign up with them
and any OS/2 support you need is usually a joke of the
biggest kind.

InnoVal and AFST are doing this because they believe
OS/2 users are a better equipped and a more knowledgeable
group of Internet users.  We all know the most significant
costs for a nationwide ISP are marketing and technical
support.  OS/2 users are an active easier-to-reach online
community, we understand quickly, and we readily share
the knowledge with each other through various web sites
newsgroups, and other public forums.

Again, InnoVal is to be applauded for stepping forward
to once again, bring a service or product to the OS/2
community that is being ignored by other OS/2 vendors
or former OS/2 vendors.  JSM (now PolarBar) is still - to
this day - the best Java Emailer on the market and it is
being updated with new features and other good things
by the Paul vanKeep group of Java programmers.  Without
InnoVal JSM and PolarBar would be dead in the water.

OS/2 users need to support OS/2 users, vendors and
other commercial enterprises that cater to OS/2.  For
an OS/2 user to step forward in the public realm and
whine their heads off at such entrepreneurial leadership
is ridiculous.  More importantly, it is the best way to kill
off other OS/2 incentives.

Take advantage of the offer extended by and for OS/2
users by Innoval and AFST by signing up as a preferred
OS/2 user with their new ISP for OS/2 users.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City (http://warpcity.com)



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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               11-Dec-99 10:01:13
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 16:33:29
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Bob Eager wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm)
> wrote:
>
> > Why? What's wrong with Innoval?
>
> This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their
> newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients.
> Leaving loyal users out in the cold.
>

Leaving loyal users out in the cold?  Lessee - did they withdraw
PostRoad Mailer from you the way the developer of CUSeeme/2
did?  Did they lie to you to get you to buy their product then run
off into the night the way SPG did?

No InnoVal did not.  To this day they provide free distribution of
the Post Road Mailer (try that with CUSeeMe/2) and have encouraged
others to continue development of the J Street Mailer. Which is exactly
what is happening.  Paul vanKeep and his band of merry OS/2 Java
developers have continued development of the former JSM (now
PolarBar) Java emailer and will continue to do so.  Had InnoVal
pulled that product and forbid anyone from touching it there would
be no PolarBar or further development today.

InnoVal is to be applauded for their continued devotion to
OS/2, the OS/2 user and the OS/2 community at large.

You want to kill off OS/2?  Take a look at what you are
personally doing to help do that today.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City (http://warpcity.com)



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From: van.ovost@inter.nl.net                            11-Dec-99 18:05:06
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 16:33:29
Subj: DBExpert - looking for experienced users

From: "R.T. van Ovost" <van.ovost@inter.nl.net>

Hi,
Since a couple of weeks I'm trying to work with DBExpert.
Lot's of troubles, but great support from Sundials Systems.

However, I would like to know if other users migth have solutions to the

outdated and bad performing ODBC drivers.
Queries with multi join relaions take a lot of time on my Pentium III
450 MHz
and 256 MB RAM.

Share your experience!

Ronald.

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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            11-Dec-99 17:33:27
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 16:33:29
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On 11 Dec 1999 16:15:46 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

>Is there an OS/2 MySQL server? I found some hints of MSQL, but that won't
>do as I need to develop a database that will eventually run on MySQL on
>a Unix platform.

There is, it works very well on my webserver. Go to hobbes.nmsu.edu and
search for MySQL.

cu

Adrian


---
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@ OS/2 Netlabs

ICQ: 22419590
ktk@netlabs.org
-------
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http://www.netlabs.org


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Dec-99 16:50:28
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 16:33:29
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:34:17, JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
wrote:

> I've got both Netscape 2.02 and 4.04 installed on my PC.  When I 
> installed Pronews/2 it found the NN 2.02 and set up the helper tab of 
> Properties to use that.
> 
> The pathname entry is:
> 
> f:\Apps\NETSCAPE\NETSCAPE.EXE
> 
> and the parameter entry is:
> 
> %U
> 
> which works fine with NN 2.02.
> 
> When I try and set it up for NN 4.04 using pathname and parameters:
> 
> f:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
> %U
> 
> I get a Pronews/2 error message that says:
> 
> There was an error loading Netscape.  Please check that the settings 
> are correct.  I suspect the %U is wrong - perhaps the parameter is 
> wrong for NN 4.04?
> 
> BTW both NN2.02 and 4.04 run fine when started directly.
> 
> Any advice gratefully received. 
> 
> I've got NN4.61 but am waiting until I've done a major rebuild on the 
> PC before installing it - besides which it's unlikely to clear this 
> problem.
> 
> --
> Jim Backus  OS/2 - 32 bits without the bloat
> bona fide replies to jimb(at)jita(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk
> http://www.jita.demon.co.uk

The %U is correct (works for me, with 4.61, and did work with 4.04, 
before I updated). Did you try using the Browse button to find NC/2 
4.04?

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: deweiss@panix.com                                 11-Dec-99 12:58:09
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 16:33:29
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 opens only certain URLs

From: Daniel Weiss <deweiss@panix.com>


Charles Christacopoulos wrote:

> I can do it but this is of little consolation to you.  When selecting Search
> it connects to another machine or a virtual host.  It may have been
> unavailable or ...

As I said, I have been able to open it with Explorer, but I want to use NS
4.61,
because I spend most of my time in OS/2.


>
>
> Daniel Weiss wrote:
>
> > I am running Netscape 4.61 with Warp 4.0.  I have opened
> > www.abebooks.com with no problem.  But when I try to open the search URL
> > within that site, I cannot.  When I download the search URL to my
> > machine I CAN open it with Netscape; but not online.
>
> I am lost.  How do you mean download it if you cannot connect to it.
>

I can connect to the abebooks.com site.  Within that site is a link to their
search site.  That is the one I cannot open.

A friend downloaded the search site and mailed it to me, and my Netscape did
open it off-line.



>  This has happened
> > with other sites as well: I am told that a site has been contacted and
> > we are waiting for a reply.  But the reply never comes.
>
> That is typical when a web server has died but maybe tcpip or other bits are
> still working on the machine (I run two of the damn things).
>

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           11-Dec-99 18:38:08
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 16:33:29
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 opens only certain URLs

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:58:18, Daniel Weiss <deweiss@panix.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> 
> > I can do it but this is of little consolation to you.  When selecting
Search
> > it connects to another machine or a virtual host.  It may have been
> > unavailable or ...
> 
> As I said, I have been able to open it with Explorer, but I want to use NS
4.61,
> because I spend most of my time in OS/2.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Daniel Weiss wrote:
> >
> > > I am running Netscape 4.61 with Warp 4.0.  I have opened
> > > www.abebooks.com with no problem.  But when I try to open the search URL
> > > within that site, I cannot.  When I download the search URL to my
> > > machine I CAN open it with Netscape; but not online.
> >
> > I am lost.  How do you mean download it if you cannot connect to it.
> >
> 
> I can connect to the abebooks.com site.  Within that site is a link to their
> search site.  That is the one I cannot open.
> 
> A friend downloaded the search site and mailed it to me, and my Netscape did
> open it off-line.
> 
> 
> 
> >  This has happened
> > > with other sites as well: I am told that a site has been contacted and
> > > we are waiting for a reply.  But the reply never comes.
> >
> > That is typical when a web server has died but maybe tcpip or other bits
are
> > still working on the machine (I run two of the damn things).
> >
> 

Is this the "Search" link at the top of the page
of http://www.abebooks.com ?

If it is, I can access the search form with no problems
and retrieve a book search.

The search page URL is http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/IList?ph=1

I can't' see anything odd in the page source, it looks like
a fairly standard form.

Using WSeB GA, Netscape 4.61, Java 1.1.8

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          11-Dec-99 19:22:11
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 19:49:07
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Bob Eager (rde@tavi.co.uk) wrote:
: On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm) 
: wrote:

: > Why? What's wrong with Innoval?

: This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their 
: newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients. 
: Leaving loyal users out in the cold.

I would disagree with this point of view.
I mean first, when they decided to go Java, they let Post Road Mailer out
for free. For everyone. That was nice.

And then when they found that they couldn't pay their bills, they gave
PLENTY of advanced warning that they would have to do some sort of major
switch of business focus. 
JStreet mailer was nice, but since they didn't seem to plan on going on
with it, it has been left to someone else to maintain, unofficially, and
as far as I know it is available to everyone for FREE.

That's about as classy an exit as you can get. You mean, you
would actually want a quiet exit? Leave you hanging with no
notice? (TrueSpectra was also very nice about it, but I wish they'd given
more warning). I surely hope you are not comparing Innoval's exit with,
say SPG, or CUSeeMe/2 or maybe even DeScribe!

It's too bad about Innoval. I wish them luck, and if our paths should ever
cross in the future, I'll remember the nice things they did.



Isaac

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From: mtve@hal-pc.org                                   11-Dec-99 10:53:16
  To: lsmccarty@home.com                                11-Dec-99 19:49:08
Subj: Re: Problem: WordPerfect for OS/2 & Warp 4

To: "L.S. McCarty" <lsmccarty@home.com>
From: Marvin Volz <mtve@hal-pc.org>

Thanks Larry,

I've had the same problem.

MTV


"L.S. McCarty" wrote:

> Gary Bishop wrote:
> >
> > I may be the only one still trying to use this but here goes.
> > WordPerfect for OS/2 ran fine under Warp3 but when I upgraded to Warp4
> > everything works ok except the font palette does not seem to recognize
> > any of the setups. Instead of a white background with black text most
> > of the time it is reversed (black background/white text). I have tried
> > lots of settings with no luck. Anyone got a fix or suggestion?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!!!!
> >
> > Gary Bishop
> > University of Denver
> > gbishop@du.edu
> >
> > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network 
*
> > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
>
> You are not the only one!  I've been using it for years and the fixpacks
> to Warp 4 have made it much more stable than it was in Warp3 and basic
> warp 4.
>
> The fix is easy and documented. Just add the switch /FL in the Optional
> parameters section of the WP properties icon object.
>
> --
> SENT BY: Lynn Scott McCarty
>          Markham, ON, Canada
>          lsmccarty "at" home "dot" com

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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          11-Dec-99 19:47:06
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 19:49:08
Subj: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

I've been looking for a real, good paint application for OS/2, for
original hand-drawn graphics. (Not like Colorworks or even Photo>Graphics,
which are better at image manipulation. I have both, they're great for
their jobs)

So far, no luck, but I did find this page for Photogenics:
	http://www.paulnolan.com/news.html

It looks like an amazing program, but originally for the Amiga. Just now
porting to Linux. But look farther down the page:

"Internally, Photogenics is based on my Ng user interface toolkit, and
avoids calling any OS specific functions. Ng itself sits on top of a small OS
abstraction layer, which either maps directly to AmigaOS functions, or uses
Posix for thread related functions, and Xlib for display. With this 
abstraction layer in place, Photogenics will soon become platform agnostic.
With 99.9% of the Photogenics source code remaining unchanged across
ports, no platform will get left behind when it comes to new
versions. An Amiga NG version should not be a problem, and QNX
aficionados will be pleased to know that Photogenics will port over with
only trivial changes...."

I'm sure that the OS/2 market must be bigger than the Amiga market!!!
He says that no platform will get left behind, whatever that means. And if
he's willing to port to QNX, surely he can do OS/2.


Is anyone else interested in such an application? If so, please do
(nicely) contact the author and let him know your interest!



Thanks,
Isaac

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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               11-Dec-99 17:45:26
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 19:49:08
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
> [more spam]

Don't you think once was enough to post your spam?  Why not confine it to
appropriate newsgroups?

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From: wnmccaw@bmi.net                                   11-Dec-99 13:17:29
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 19:49:08
Subj: Re: DBExpert - looking for experienced users

From: "W.N.(Bill) McCaw" <wnmccaw@bmi.net>

"R.T. van Ovost" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Since a couple of weeks I'm trying to work with DBExpert.
> Lot's of troubles, but great support from Sundials Systems.
> 
> However, I would like to know if other users might have solutions to the
> 
> outdated and bad performing ODBC drivers.
> Queries with multi join relations take a lot of time on my Pentium III
> 450 MHz
> and 256 MB RAM.
> 
> Share your experience!

I have been using the package about four months, and it has been a steep
learning curve, but as you mention, the telephone support has been there
when needed.

My use of queries has been limited to just getting one file with
selected fields brought up.  I have not tried any large joins because
the need isn't there.  

My biggest need would be for a much more comprehensive manual.  The
books I got are very shallow for helping to dig myself out of some
hole.  I miss the old dBASE IV type of documentation.  

One of the beauties of the program is that it uses dBASE files, which
can be manipulated under dBASE IV running in a DOS partition.  

It is a shame that so few so called Office Suits have a database,
although Approach in the Lotus Office group was operating well until it
quit loading on me.  I have reinstalled, fiddled with the Config and
registry programs, but it refuses to load (123 quit at the same time) 
WordPro continues to work well.  

I went to dbExpert because of the failure of Approach, and it has done
well for me after I became more familiar with its working environment. 
Much to still learn!
-- 
Cheers! W.N.(Bill) McCaw

"When is doubt, Act like a pro!!"

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        11-Dec-99 21:33:05
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 19:49:08
Subj: Making labels with Wordpro

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

I'm trying to create address labels with WordPro, but can't find an easy
way to do it. Has anyone come across a stylesheet, macro or whatever
to print stuff out onto Avery labels?

I saw a Label template but can't work out what it has to do with labels...

--
John

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From: abrahams@sparc.isl.net                            11-Dec-99 16:48:21
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 19:49:08
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

From: "Lionel C. Abrahams" <abrahams@sparc.isl.net>

On 11 Dec 1999 21:33:11 GMT, John Poltorak wrote:

>I'm trying to create address labels with WordPro, but can't find an easy
>way to do it. Has anyone come across a stylesheet, macro or whatever
>to print stuff out onto Avery labels?
>
>I saw a Label template but can't work out what it has to do with labels...
>
>--
>John

John,
You are on the right track! Open the label.mwp template.
You will be presented with a list of labels. If you have an Avery
label #
just pick it out of the list. If not choose the one that matches
the label you
have (i.e. 10 rows of 3 columns on a 8.5 x 11 sheet) and open it.
You will be presented with a the appropriate sheet (page).  Just
fill out
as appropriate and print

Hope this help
...Posted with PMINews 2.00.1200
   using OS/2 WARP4 @FP12




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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    11-Dec-99 23:47:23
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 21:20:14
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:01:26, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

> InnoVal is to be applauded for their continued devotion to
> OS/2, the OS/2 user and the OS/2 community at large.
> 
> You want to kill off OS/2?  Take a look at what you are
> personally doing to help do that today.

Here we go again. Go away Tim.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    11-Dec-99 23:48:22
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 21:20:14
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:22:23, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

> That's about as classy an exit as you can get. You mean, you
> would actually want a quiet exit? Leave you hanging with no
> notice?

That's what happened with their newsreader.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: dboultr@spamfree.erols.com                        12-Dec-99 00:49:05
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 21:20:14
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: dboultr@spamfree.erols.com

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:48:45, rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) wrote:

> That's what happened with their newsreader.

Geez, Bob!  What's this all about??  They knew their newsreader was a 
piece of crap, pretty much beyond saving.  There were at the time, and
have been subsequently, a ton of newsreader choices for OS/2 users.  
We didn't loose anything when they gave up that market.

I haven't looked at MR2/ICE 2.0 yet, but PostRoad Mailer is still 
arguably the best mail reader we have.  I paid for it once, long long 
ago, and I've gotten two major releases for free.  I still use PRM and
am happy with it.  I'm pretty sure I got the newsreader for free too. 

I'll agree with Dan that his customer support for individual users 
wasn't the greatest, but I don't recall having occasion to use it 
since 2.0 came out.  On the other hand, Dan and Innoval tried to do 
good things for OS/2 and several of the results are first class.  
NetExtra was a fine product for its time.  But ultimately, when fine 
products don't pay the bills, you have to do what you have to do.

Innoval doesn't make my OS/2 Hall of Shame.  I wish them well, and 
would buy their software again should the occasion arise.

Doug Boulter

To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious spam traps from the address

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From: mtve@hal-pc.org                                   11-Dec-99 17:57:00
  To: abrahams@sparc.isl.net                            11-Dec-99 21:20:14
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

To: "Lionel C. Abrahams" <abrahams@sparc.isl.net>
From: Marvin Volz <mtve@hal-pc.org>

It's easier than that if you use Lotus 123.
From a spreedsheet with a table of names, addresses, etc. just "Create"
"Mailing
labels" and follow the instructions. An Approach db will be created which you
can
edit - fonts, etc. and you pick Avery label type.

MTV



"Lionel C. Abrahams" wrote:

> On 11 Dec 1999 21:33:11 GMT, John Poltorak wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to create address labels with WordPro, but can't find an easy
> >way to do it. Has anyone come across a stylesheet, macro or whatever
> >to print stuff out onto Avery labels?
> >
> >I saw a Label template but can't work out what it has to do with labels...
> >
> >--
> >John
>
> John,
> You are on the right track! Open the label.mwp template.
> You will be presented with a list of labels. If you have an Avery
> label #
> just pick it out of the list. If not choose the one that matches
> the label you
> have (i.e. 10 rows of 3 columns on a 8.5 x 11 sheet) and open it.
> You will be presented with a the appropriate sheet (page).  Just
> fill out
> as appropriate and print
>

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From: dboultr@spamfree.erols.com                        12-Dec-99 00:53:09
  To: All                                               11-Dec-99 21:20:14
Subj: Re: InnoVal Seeks Support for Post Road

From: dboultr@spamfree.erols.com

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:23:46, innoval@ibm.net wrote:

> InnoVal is seeking an individual, group or company interested in
> assuming full responsibility for the Post Road Mailer.

Dan,

I believe that there's enough interest in NetExtra/Web Willy Watch 
that, if you aren't going to do anything with that product, it might 
be offered up the same way.  Netscape still doesn't offer a way to 
maintain history files (or search them) as well as NetExtra did.  Web 
Willy tried to turn the product into something it wasn't, in my 
opinion, but I bet there's a market for a refined version of the 
NetExtra stuff, and someone could keep that product alive as well.

Doug Boulter

To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious spam traps from the address

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    12-Dec-99 01:58:03
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 02:24:02
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 00:49:11, dboultr@spamfree.erols.com wrote:

> > That's what happened with their newsreader.
> 
> Geez, Bob!  What's this all about??  They knew their newsreader was a 
> piece of crap, pretty much beyond saving.  There were at the time, and
> have been subsequently, a ton of newsreader choices for OS/2 users.  
> We didn't loose anything when they gave up that market.

I quite agree. But I was just answering the point made. I used it. I 
stopped using it when I got no reply to my support requests. It wasn't
good and they were right to drop it. But I NEVER (as this was my 
point) received anything to say they were doing it....as I say, it WAS
done quietly. And I paid full price for it. No regrets...I had some 
use out of it.

As far as the mailers go....I made the original post because someone 
asked why someone else was hostile about Innoval. I put forward a 
reason.

I like Post Road Mailer. I bought 2.0. I bought the upgrade to 2.5. I 
bought the upgrade to 3.0. I heard about enough early bugs in JSM to 
stop me upgrading to that. And problems with Java at the time, to be 
fair.

The problem for me wa support. In the early days I got a good response
and even a feature I wanted, in some form. But I reported a bug early 
in the life of 2.5 (a violation of SMTP and POP3, both). I never even 
got a response. It was never fixed. Not polite. Even an email saying 
they hadn't the resources would have been OK. I really appreciate 
their problems.

I bought NetExtra too. And the upgrades. All of them. Despite the 
silly name of WWWatch (does it have the same connotations in the US?).
I couldn't have supported Innoval more, without a charitable donation!

I think it's a shame the product line died. I have their products on 
my website to keep them alive. Amd a workround I did for the protocol 
bugs. I only wish they could have given Paul van Keep the source to 
JSM, to save him time.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: tgal@pobox.com                                    11-Dec-99 17:38:01
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 02:24:03
Subj: Netsc. 4.61 quits at 14Mb download

From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <tgal@pobox.com>

I have Warp-4, Fixpak-12, Netsc. 4.61, and I began to
download the 113 Mb zip for VAJ v3 . . . and the download
died.  It's not my ISP.

Any suggestions?  Am I supposed to do something to the
TCP/IP stack?

-- 
 ===>  tgal@pobox.com


InfoBaHn on:  Rockwell, Netscape, InJOY, and OS/2
____________________________________________________
((( BOXER )))  fassst, 32-bit character mode editor

http://www.boxersoftware.com/

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http://www.fx.dk/injoy

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http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               11-Dec-99 18:01:02
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 02:24:03
Subj: Re: Netsc. 4.61 quits at 14Mb download

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

"Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" wrote:

> I have Warp-4, Fixpak-12, Netsc. 4.61, and I began to
> download the 113 Mb zip for VAJ v3 . . . and the download
> died.  It's not my ISP.
>
> Any suggestions?  Am I supposed to do something to the
> TCP/IP stack?

Its a problem with 4.61.  Use NS2.02 or WGET.

NS2.02 is here:

ftp://ftp.wu-wien.ac.at/pub/systems/os2/netscape/9806/nets202.exe

Install it in a separate directory.  It does not suffer the
way 4.61 and 4.04 does with large download transfers.

The hope is that the problem will be corrected in the
upcoming 4.61 fixkit due out before the end of December
or early in January 2000.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City (http://warpcity.com)
(Y2K Discount Memberships For 1999 Members!)

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From: leea@psynet.net                                   11-Dec-99 20:58:27
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 02:24:03
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Lee Aroner  <leea@psynet.net>

Dan:

Appreciate the effort. However, when I called to size up the 
offer I found the following:

(1) As you said, sounds like windows support, and rather naive 
at that. What the hey, I don't need or want support anyways.

(2) The TS with the teenage sounding voice that answered 
didn't have any idea what their servers run on. I prefer Nix 
of some sort, Linux is fine, but I need to know. I won't 
support an ISP that runs NT.

(3) The TS also didn't know who their backbone supplier was, 
but after a couple minutes checking, figured out it was UUNet. 
That part's fine.

(4) The TS did not have, or pretended not to know what the 800 
number was. If I can't test for connection speed, I'm not 
interested in signing up. I get 49333 connects every time 
where I'm at now, and I won't switch to an unknown without 
some random test connects.

If you do want to make some money off this deal, get them to 
give out the 800 number for connects, and find out what they 
serve mail and pages from. Gotta know those two...

LRA

------------------------
  From: innoval@ibm.net
  Subject: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!
  Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:35:30 GMT 
  To: "comp.os.os2.advocacy" 
<@news:comp.os.os2.advocacy@192.168.16.2>, "comp.os.os2.apps" 
<@news:comp.os.os2.apps@192.168.16.2>, "comp.os.os2.comm" 
<@news:comp.os.os2.comm@192.168.16.2>, 
"comp.os.os2.marketplace" 
<@news:comp.os.os2.marketplace@192.168.16.2>


> In article <zterrarrkvfarg.fmk8te0.pminews@news.exis.net>,
>   "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@hotbot.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
> > Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look 
at who you
> > are talking about - Innoval????
> 
> Okay. Let's get some facts straight before this goes to far 
off topic.
> 
> AFST is actually offering ISP800 to OS/2 users, not InnoVal. Read the
> details and the FAQ at isp800.com/os2/. I, Dan Porter, sought and
> engineered the deal for OS/2 users. Anyone else (any supporter and user
> of OS/2 like myself) could have done it just as easily. InnoVal may have
> withdrawn from the OS/2 software market, but InnoVal still has OS/2
> users and supporters, and the company does recognize that OS/2 users
> WERE important to us and ARE important to us.
> 
> I, personally, and InnoVal, have a vested interest in AFST. When AFST
> closes a big multi-user deal (and they have closed some very big deals)
> I and InnoVal earn something for our efforts. I would be surprised if
> OS/2 users as a group (oh, I wish it could be so) will be a big enough
> deal to earn us anything -- certainly not at the prices being offered to
> OS/2 users. It was just something that I wanted to do.
> 
> I've seen what AFST brings to the table with 65 tech support people (all
> trained unfortunately in Windows stuff), 800 re-routed access, high
> bandwidth, high capacity email, etc. It's a good deal, even if you don't
> like InnoVal. All InnoVal did was try to bring you a good price when
> AFST launches public consumer service under the ISP800 brand.
> 
> I was the one who pulled the plug on InnoVal's direct involvement with
> OS/2 software. It was a financial thing that investors get concerned
> about. Add to that, that as a company, we were not good enough with
> support in the consumer marketplace. I thought we could be, but I was
> mistaken. The market wasn't there anymore. So blame me. Not InnoVal.
> 
> InnoVal, BTW, is lobbying for OS/2 solutions, support, etc. with AFST
> and its business partners and vendors. We are not doing so because we
> are emotionally attached to OS/2 but because, in some areas, it makes
> good business sense.
> 
> ISP800 makes good business sense. I feel good that we (all of us who
> want to be a part of this) are, in a small way, involving two new
> vendors (AFST and National Dialup) in the OS/2 world.
> 
> Dan Porter, President
> InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
> 

---------------End of Original Message-----------------

--------------------------------------------------------
Name: Lee Aroner
E-mail: Lee Aroner <leea@nospm.psynet.net>

(Please remove "nospm." to reply...)

Date: 12/11/1999
Time: 20:58:54

 _,_ /|
 \`o.O' ACK!
 =(___)=
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From: godfrey@isl.stanford.edu                          12-Dec-99 04:45:10
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 02:24:03
Subj: Re: 2GB file size limit

From: godfrey@isl.stanford.edu

In <Bd1D8ggkpXsj-pn2-dYM5QKIloZEd@Tobias>, NOSPAM_R.Ihle@S-t.De (Ruediger
Ihle) writes:
>On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:55:12, godfrey@isl.stanford.edu wrote:
>
>> This raises an interesting point with respect to the Aurora JFS, which
>> supports 2TB files:
>>  
>> 1. Does DosRead()/DosWrite() just read/write to the end?
>>  
>> 2. Does DosSetFilePtr() allow incrementing the file pointer up to 2TB
>>    by successive calls with the increment set to 2GB-1?
>>  
>> If not, how does it work?
>>  
>> If I get a few free minutes, I'll give it a try. But, if someone knows...
>> 
>
>Take a look at ADDENDUM.INF of the WSeB toookit . There are some
>new functions like DosOpenL(), DosSetFilePtrL() and DosSetFileSizeL()
>to deal with this issue. DosRead() and DosWrite() does not seem to be
>affected.
>
Yes, I did that. And, looked at bsedos.h. Both define the new 64 bit
IO functions, but do not answer the questions above, or others like:
If a file was created with standard 32 bit functions (DosOpen()), and
it be opened with DosOpenL? 

This is a pretty major enhancement. It would be nice to have a full
description.

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From: deweiss@panix.com                                 12-Dec-99 00:04:02
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 02:24:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 opens only certain URLs

From: Daniel Weiss <deweiss@panix.com>

That's exactly the problem.  NS will open the abebooks.com site but not the
dogbert...
site.



Lorne Sunley wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:58:18, Daniel Weiss <deweiss@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> >
> > > I can do it but this is of little consolation to you.  When selecting
Search
> > > it connects to another machine or a virtual host.  It may have been
> > > unavailable or ...
> >
> > As I said, I have been able to open it with Explorer, but I want to use NS 
4.61,
> > because I spend most of my time in OS/2.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Daniel Weiss wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am running Netscape 4.61 with Warp 4.0.  I have opened
> > > > www.abebooks.com with no problem.  But when I try to open the search
URL
> > > > within that site, I cannot.  When I download the search URL to my
> > > > machine I CAN open it with Netscape; but not online.
> > >
> > > I am lost.  How do you mean download it if you cannot connect to it.
> > >
> >
> > I can connect to the abebooks.com site.  Within that site is a link to
their
> > search site.  That is the one I cannot open.
> >
> > A friend downloaded the search site and mailed it to me, and my Netscape
did
> > open it off-line.
> >
> >
> >
> > >  This has happened
> > > > with other sites as well: I am told that a site has been contacted and
> > > > we are waiting for a reply.  But the reply never comes.
> > >
> > > That is typical when a web server has died but maybe tcpip or other bits 
are
> > > still working on the machine (I run two of the damn things).
> > >
> >
>
> Is this the "Search" link at the top of the page
> of http://www.abebooks.com ?
>
> If it is, I can access the search form with no problems
> and retrieve a book search.
>
> The search page URL is http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/IList?ph=1
>
> I can't' see anything odd in the page source, it looks like
> a fairly standard form.
>
> Using WSeB GA, Netscape 4.61, Java 1.1.8
>
> --
>
> Lorne Sunley

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From: innoval@ibm.net                                   12-Dec-99 04:57:04
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 02:24:03
Subj: Re: InnoVal Seeks Support for Post Road

From: innoval@ibm.net

I'll do it (subject to board approval which shouldn't be a problem).
Find me a volunteer. Write to me at porter at innoval dot com.

Dan

In article <sXnyXDNIUu65-pn2-JcPM2lRQE6rt@207-172-184-
121.s121.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com>,
  dboultr@spamfree.erols.com wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:23:46, innoval@ibm.net wrote:
>
> > InnoVal is seeking an individual, group or company interested in
> > assuming full responsibility for the Post Road Mailer.
>
> Dan,
>
> I believe that there's enough interest in NetExtra/Web Willy Watch
> that, if you aren't going to do anything with that product, it might
> be offered up the same way.  Netscape still doesn't offer a way to
> maintain history files (or search them) as well as NetExtra did.  Web
> Willy tried to turn the product into something it wasn't, in my
> opinion, but I bet there's a market for a refined version of the
> NetExtra stuff, and someone could keep that product alive as well.
>
> Doug Boulter
>
> To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious spam traps from the address
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 11-Dec-99 23:28:27
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 02:36:09
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.apps, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
spake unto us, saying:

>I've been looking for a real, good paint application for OS/2, for
>original hand-drawn graphics. (Not like Colorworks or even Photo>Graphics,
>which are better at image manipulation. I have both, they're great for
>their jobs)

Have you looked at Embellish?

  http://www.dadaware.com

It looks like it's a freebie now (their web site says that Dadaware has
closed their doors, which is sad -- Joe wrote good software [IMhO]).

>So far, no luck, but I did find this page for Photogenics:
>	http://www.paulnolan.com/news.html

I agree that Photogenics looks like a VERY nice program.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
              Did you expect to find words of wisdom here?

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From: tgal@pobox.com                                    11-Dec-99 23:03:05
  To: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         12-Dec-99 02:36:09
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

To: racette@cablevision.qc.ca
From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <tgal@pobox.com>

I think you're supposed to delete the templates Lotus creates. 
Read the README file.

Martin Racette wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Roland told me how to find out if I have
> a corrupted DLL in the smartsuite dirs,
> I did it but to no avail, it didn't find
> any thing corrupted, so how do I get i
> back to a working state, and don't tell
> me to re-install I did it at least 4
> time already (and losing all thedekstop
> folder set-up and my smartmasters).
> 
> I can make Word Pro and Organizer to
> work but I also need Approach and 1-2-3
> nad Freelance (the most important one
> are 1-2-3 and approach for the
> administration of the bussiness)
> 
> BTW. this is version 1.1 nad Warp is
> running FP12, and they did work
> eversince FP12 got out until last week
> 
> //-------------------------
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Merci a l'avance
> 
> Martin
> 
> http://205.237.57.73/
> 
> ICQ #48552954

-- 
 ===>  tgal@pobox.com


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____________________________________________________
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http://www.boxersoftware.com/

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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             12-Dec-99 10:07:11
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 05:15:11
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:42:31, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:07:30, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
> Donnelly) wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:34:17, JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I've got both Netscape 2.02 and 4.04 installed on my PC.  When I 
> > > installed Pronews/2 it found the NN 2.02 and set up the helper tab of 
> > > Properties to use that.
> > > 
> > > The pathname entry is:
> > > 
> > > f:\Apps\NETSCAPE\NETSCAPE.EXE
> > > 
> > > and the parameter entry is:
> > > 
> > > %U
> > > 
> > > which works fine with NN 2.02.
> > > 
> > > When I try and set it up for NN 4.04 using pathname and parameters:
> > > 
> > > f:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
> > > %U
> > > 
> > > I get a Pronews/2 error message that says:
> > > 
> > > There was an error loading Netscape.  Please check that the settings 
> > > are correct.  I suspect the %U is wrong - perhaps the parameter is 
> > > wrong for NN 4.04?
> > > 

FWIW, I have the same problem here using NC 4.61 except for the fact
that I do not get an error message. Simply nothing happens.

The strange thing is that this only fails on one machine, it works fine
on the other one.
It also works fine if I invoke Netscape directly from the command line
(not in netscapes directory), simply not from ProNews. I tried just
leaving Netscape in the name field to see if it could find it via the
path. Still no.

I have tried / checked all the things you mentioned, but no change.
I have compared the setup to the one on the PC that works and I can't
see a difference.
There must be one there somewhere and if I find it first, I will post it.

Any other ideas?

-- 
Dave

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From: cocke@catherders.com                              12-Dec-99 06:12:20
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 10:13:27
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>

HURRAY!!   Second the question - URL Please?




On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:13:34 GMT, Mooo wrote:

>lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
>
>>> The company that I work for is searching for a manufacturing/accounting 
>>> system...  The catch is that it must run in DOS, Windows 3.x, or OS/2.  
>>> No windows 9x or NT.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions?
>>> 
>>
>>My company sells one. ENTITY Systems Ltd.
>>
>>It does GL, A/R, A/P, Invoicing, Sales analysis,
>>Bill of Materials and a bunch of other stuff.
>>
>>OS/2, Windows 3.1 and character mode on DOS
>
>yay!  This sounds like just the sort of thing I've been searching for
>for ages.  Got a URL?
>
>Cheers,
>Craig
>

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                 The web page is at http://www.catherders.com

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From: redonn2@<KILLASPAMMER                             12-Dec-99 07:04:09
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 10:13:27
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: "/2 User" <redonn2@<KILLASPAMMER>attglobal.net>

On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 03:56:12 GMT, Stephen Russell wrote:

>Sounds like a poor request.
>
>I want a new car with a straight six, shift on the column and no air
>conditioning.

Yes, but this car is always driving past all the windoze cars that are
stalled on the side of the highway with their hoods up;-)



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From: redonn2@<KILLASPAMMER                             12-Dec-99 07:06:08
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 10:13:27
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: "/2 User" <redonn2@<KILLASPAMMER>attglobal.net>

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 06:12:41 -0500, Michael W. Cocke wrote:

>ENTITY Systems Ltd.

Do you Yahoo?

http://www3.mb.sympatico.ca/~lsunley/


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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        12-Dec-99 12:23:17
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 10:13:27
Subj: Palm Pilot emulator

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

I have recently bought a Palm V and have discovered a large volume
of software available for it. Now it's a pain to have to download it to
the Palm Pilot to try it out, so it would be handy running it on a PC
first. There is an emulator available and one has been written for OS/2
called Copilot/2, but this was some time ago, and I don't know if it still
being developed. Unfortunately, when I tried the version I found, it
loaded up a picture of a Palm III (I think) and then hung.

Does anyone know if there is a newer version?

My copilot2.exe is dated 25/05/97 size 752660.

--
John

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From: sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it                     12-Dec-99 12:38:02
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 10:13:27
Subj: Re: AWGET

From: sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it (Sand666)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:04:18, bnc@webone.com.au wrote:

> When you install the latest version of awget (awget1514.zip) it puts a TODO
on your desktop.

Just for info, there is v1515 out...

--- Win is hardly a platform.  A slight elevation at best.

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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    12-Dec-99 14:10:00
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:12
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:17:20, rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm) 
> wrote:
> 
> > Why? What's wrong with Innoval?
> 
> This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their 
> newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients. 
> Leaving loyal users out in the cold.
> 

Would you prefer the jerk with the fourty thousand lines of code he'd 
rather throw away and he did because its his not yours so fuck you 
routine?  That is usually what happens when software companies leave 
markets.

Innoval, in contrast, was exemplary in the manner in which they left 
the OS/2 maketplace.

Consequently, there is still a great deal of good will towards them; 
and they remain highly respected.


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          12-Dec-99 14:01:10
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:12
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:07:23, dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons) 
wrote:

> FWIW, I have the same problem here using NC 4.61 except for the fact
> that I do not get an error message. Simply nothing happens.
> 
> The strange thing is that this only fails on one machine, it works fine
> on the other one.
> It also works fine if I invoke Netscape directly from the command line
> (not in netscapes directory), simply not from ProNews. I tried just
> leaving Netscape in the name field to see if it could find it via the
> path. Still no.

What happens (or doesn't) when you leave the "netscape" entry field 
completely blank?

What version of ProNews, by the way?

Look for competing versions of PMDDEML.DLL on your LIBPATH, first. 
That's a big issue with 4.04.

> 
> I have tried / checked all the things you mentioned, but no change.
> I have compared the setup to the one on the PC that works and I can't
> see a difference.
> There must be one there somewhere and if I find it first, I will post it.
> 
> Any other ideas?
> 
> -- 
> Dave
> 
> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:42:31, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)
wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:07:30, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
> > Donnelly) wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:34:17, JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I've got both Netscape 2.02 and 4.04 installed on my PC.  When I 
> > > > installed Pronews/2 it found the NN 2.02 and set up the helper tab of 
> > > > Properties to use that.
> > > > 
> > > > The pathname entry is:
> > > > 
> > > > f:\Apps\NETSCAPE\NETSCAPE.EXE
> > > > 
> > > > and the parameter entry is:
> > > > 
> > > > %U
> > > > 
> > > > which works fine with NN 2.02.
> > > > 
> > > > When I try and set it up for NN 4.04 using pathname and parameters:
> > > > 
> > > > f:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
> > > > %U
> > > > 
> > > > I get a Pronews/2 error message that says:
> > > > 
> > > > There was an error loading Netscape.  Please check that the settings 
> > > > are correct.  I suspect the %U is wrong - perhaps the parameter is 
> > > > wrong for NN 4.04?
> > > > 
> 

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: innoval@ibm.net                                   12-Dec-99 15:10:28
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: innoval@ibm.net

Lee, you make some good points.

Let me address servers first. All ISP800 mail servers are Linux. Some
webhosting is Linux and some is other Unix variants. I think one site
is AIX. There are no NT servers anywhere in the ISP800 system. Let me
stree that, NO NT SERVERS. See FAQ at http://isp800/os2/

Sure, it sounds like Windows support when you call tech support. I wish
it weren't so but that is what AFST's market looks like. But AFST is
willing to give OS/2 users a go. When I suggested the OS/2 deal to
AFST, it was received with enthusiasm. I talked to two "lead" tech
support people who were thrilled about the prospects of OS/2 users and
recognize that OS/2, though a slim market share, comprises an
important, talented, and savvy group.

As for naive, I don't know who you talked to. There are about 55 TS
folks if memory serves me right. Questions: Did you get through
quickly? Did tech support try to be helpful? Was attitude good?

As for TS not knowing the 800 number, the ISP800 brand name goes online
to the general public, and in particular OS/2 users, Jan 3. Under
various other brand names, already in operation for a long time, often
with different callin numbers and different support criteria, (and
different access numbers), I don't think you would have encountered
this situation. I don't know for sure. I'll pass on your comment to
AFST. Here it is. Try it. I'm getting 50666 right now:

   888-488-4418

I'll suggest that AFST put the number on the pre-reg pages. I know it
is on the regular pages for the 1/3/2000 launch. Remember, this was a
hurry up set of web pages to give OS/2 users an extra-special deal.

Remember, ISP800, is functionally designed for corporate accounts where
performance, availability, wide-spread access, and reliability are key.
I just think OS/2 users are a good fit. I think we got a good deal from
AFST.

Dan



In article <Chameleon.991211210441.leea@FRED>,
  Lee Aroner  <leea@psynet.net> wrote:
> Dan:
>
> Appreciate the effort. However, when I called to size up the
> offer I found the following:
>
> (1) As you said, sounds like windows support, and rather naive
> at that. What the hey, I don't need or want support anyways.
>
> (2) The TS with the teenage sounding voice that answered
> didn't have any idea what their servers run on. I prefer Nix
> of some sort, Linux is fine, but I need to know. I won't
> support an ISP that runs NT.
>
> (3) The TS also didn't know who their backbone supplier was,
> but after a couple minutes checking, figured out it was UUNet.
> That part's fine.
>
> (4) The TS did not have, or pretended not to know what the 800
> number was. If I can't test for connection speed, I'm not
> interested in signing up. I get 49333 connects every time
> where I'm at now, and I won't switch to an unknown without
> some random test connects.
>
> If you do want to make some money off this deal, get them to
> give out the 800 number for connects, and find out what they
> serve mail and pages from. Gotta know those two...
>
> LRA
>
> ------------------------
>   From: innoval@ibm.net
>   Subject: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!
>   Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:35:30 GMT
>   To: "comp.os.os2.advocacy"
> <@news:comp.os.os2.advocacy@192.168.16.2>, "comp.os.os2.apps"
> <@news:comp.os.os2.apps@192.168.16.2>, "comp.os.os2.comm"
> <@news:comp.os.os2.comm@192.168.16.2>,
> "comp.os.os2.marketplace"
> <@news:comp.os.os2.marketplace@192.168.16.2>
>
> > In article <zterrarrkvfarg.fmk8te0.pminews@news.exis.net>,
> >   "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@hotbot.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
> > > Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look
> at who you
> > > are talking about - Innoval????
> >
> > Okay. Let's get some facts straight before this goes to far
> off topic.
> >
> > AFST is actually offering ISP800 to OS/2 users, not InnoVal. Read
the
> > details and the FAQ at isp800.com/os2/. I, Dan Porter, sought and
> > engineered the deal for OS/2 users. Anyone else (any supporter and
user
> > of OS/2 like myself) could have done it just as easily. InnoVal may
have
> > withdrawn from the OS/2 software market, but InnoVal still has OS/2
> > users and supporters, and the company does recognize that OS/2 users
> > WERE important to us and ARE important to us.
> >
> > I, personally, and InnoVal, have a vested interest in AFST. When
AFST
> > closes a big multi-user deal (and they have closed some very big
deals)
> > I and InnoVal earn something for our efforts. I would be surprised
if
> > OS/2 users as a group (oh, I wish it could be so) will be a big
enough
> > deal to earn us anything -- certainly not at the prices being
offered to
> > OS/2 users. It was just something that I wanted to do.
> >
> > I've seen what AFST brings to the table with 65 tech support people
(all
> > trained unfortunately in Windows stuff), 800 re-routed access, high
> > bandwidth, high capacity email, etc. It's a good deal, even if you
don't
> > like InnoVal. All InnoVal did was try to bring you a good price when
> > AFST launches public consumer service under the ISP800 brand.
> >
> > I was the one who pulled the plug on InnoVal's direct involvement
with
> > OS/2 software. It was a financial thing that investors get concerned
> > about. Add to that, that as a company, we were not good enough with
> > support in the consumer marketplace. I thought we could be, but I
was
> > mistaken. The market wasn't there anymore. So blame me. Not InnoVal.
> >
> > InnoVal, BTW, is lobbying for OS/2 solutions, support, etc. with
AFST
> > and its business partners and vendors. We are not doing so because
we
> > are emotionally attached to OS/2 but because, in some areas, it
makes
> > good business sense.
> >
> > ISP800 makes good business sense. I feel good that we (all of us who
> > want to be a part of this) are, in a small way, involving two new
> > vendors (AFST and National Dialup) in the OS/2 world.
> >
> > Dan Porter, President
> > InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> >
>
> ---------------End of Original Message-----------------
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Name: Lee Aroner
> E-mail: Lee Aroner <leea@nospm.psynet.net>
>
> (Please remove "nospm." to reply...)
>
> Date: 12/11/1999
> Time: 20:58:54
>
>  _,_ /|
>  \`o.O' ACK!
>  =(___)=
>     U
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: aboritz@cybernex.net                              12-Dec-99 10:09:02
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)

In article <38528F0F.D987D612@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>
wrote:
>williamd wrote:
>
>> This sounds *great*; thanks for posting the info! Here's hoping they
>> choose an appropriate domain name- like os2online or something!!
>>
>> Bill
>> __
>> williamd1@attglobal.net
>
>Thanks Bill.  InnoVal actually engineered the low-cost
>deal for OS/2 users in partnership with AFST (Advanced
>Family Safe Technologies, Inc) and it is a great deal for
>OS/2 users.
>
>Get in now and it is only $12 a month for an entire year
>with  56k connections, <smooch, smooch> 100% dialup access either locally
>or through an 800 number <slurp> (and that includes Hawaii, Alaska
>and Puerto Rico), 24 hours a day, 7 days a week access.
>Go to any other vendor and ask for a discount because
>you use OS/2 and they ignore you. <swallow>...

Ok, Tim, take your sloppy spam, get off your knees, and get out of here.

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From: aboritz@cybernex.net                              12-Dec-99 09:04:29
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)

In article <38529175.49EDE961@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>
wrote:
>Bob Eager wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm)
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Why? What's wrong with Innoval?
>>
>> This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their
>> newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients.
>> Leaving loyal users out in the cold.
>>
>
>Leaving loyal users out in the cold?  Lessee - did they withdraw
>PostRoad Mailer from you the way the developer of CUSeeme/2
>did?

Yes, with Postroad News before that.

>Did they lie to you to get you to buy their product then run
>off into the night the way SPG did?

Yes.

>No InnoVal did not.  To this day they provide free distribution of
>the Post Road Mailer...

They provide NOTHING.  The rest of us are moving the distribution archives
around.  Innoval's support web site has been dead (literally) for years now.

>...(try that with CUSeeMe/2) and have encouraged
>others to continue development of the J Street Mailer.

So they dumped the source and said it's now a do-it-yourself product.  What's
the big deal?

>InnoVal is to be applauded for their continued devotion to
>OS/2, the OS/2 user and the OS/2 community at large.

Wipe your chin, take your kneepads, and get out of here, Timmy.

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From: aboritz@cybernex.net                              12-Dec-99 09:42:09
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)

In article <82tugi$rlo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, innoval@ibm.net wrote:
>In article <zterrarrkvfarg.fmk8te0.pminews@news.exis.net>,
>  "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@hotbot.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
>> Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look at who you
>> are talking about - Innoval????
>
>Okay. Let's get some facts straight before this goes to far off topic.

Fine.  Try answering these questions:

How many Postroad News licenses did you sell after announcing that you
discontinued support for the product?

How many years prior to pulling the plug did you stop answering tech support
email?

How many Postroad Mail licenses did you sell after discontinuing support for
the product?

How many Postroad Mail licenses did you sell that qualified for the free
Spellguard add-in, but didn't ship with it?

>AFST is actually offering ISP800 to OS/2 users, not InnoVal. Read the
>details and the FAQ at isp800.com/os2/. I, Dan Porter, sought and
>engineered the deal for OS/2 users.

Oh, is that why you were too busy to clear the messages sitting in your email
account at ibm.net?

>InnoVal may have
>withdrawn from the OS/2 software market, but InnoVal still has OS/2
>users and supporters, and the company does recognize that OS/2 users
>WERE important to us and ARE important to us.

If they're so important, why did you ignore them for so long?

>I, personally, and InnoVal, have a vested interest in AFST. When AFST
>closes a big multi-user deal (and they have closed some very big deals)
>I and InnoVal earn something for our efforts. I would be surprised if
>OS/2 users as a group (oh, I wish it could be so) will be a big enough
>deal to earn us anything -- certainly not at the prices being offered to
>OS/2 users. It was just something that I wanted to do.

That's great, but what did you do for everone who bought your products and
didn't get the value for which they paid?

>I was the one who pulled the plug on InnoVal's direct involvement with
>OS/2 software. It was a financial thing that investors get concerned
>about. Add to that, that as a company, we were not good enough with
>support in the consumer marketplace. I thought we could be, but I was
>mistaken. The market wasn't there anymore. So blame me. Not InnoVal.

Fine.  You pissed off a LOT of people BEFORE you announced you were pulling
the plug and quite a few are not running OS/2 any longer.  Every time this
issue comes up in a discussion thread while you are personally participating,
Dan, you ALWAYS disappear, so I expect you won't disappoint us again.

>InnoVal, BTW, is lobbying for OS/2 solutions, support, etc. with AFST
>and its business partners and vendors. We are not doing so because we
>are emotionally attached to OS/2 but because, in some areas, it makes
>good business sense.

That is, until you decide to blow us off again, stop answering email, and the
cycle begins again until AFST tosses you off that project, too.

>Dan Porter, President
>InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

What happened, Dan, lost your ibm.net news access?

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From: aboritz@cybernex.net                              12-Dec-99 09:11:13
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)

In article <82u89f$m08$1@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca
(e-frog) wrote:
>Bob Eager (rde@tavi.co.uk) wrote:
>: On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm)
>: wrote:
>
>: > Why? What's wrong with Innoval?
>
>: This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their
>: newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients.
>: Leaving loyal users out in the cold.
>
>I would disagree with this point of view.
>I mean first, when they decided to go Java, they let Post Road Mailer out
>for free. For everyone. That was nice.

No it wasn't.  It was a marketing move to try to get people to play with their
product in a less functional mode to entice them to buy the "full" version.
It's a common method to increase sales.  There was nothing "nice" about it,
since by that time they had already stopped supporting most of the customers
who paid full price.

>And then when they found that they couldn't pay their bills, they gave
>PLENTY of advanced warning that they would have to do some sort of major
>switch of business focus.
>JStreet mailer was nice, but since they didn't seem to plan on going on
>with it, it has been left to someone else to maintain, unofficially, and
>as far as I know it is available to everyone for FREE.

No, they didn't give "plenty" of advance warning, unless if you include the
bounced emails to "tech support."

>That's about as classy an exit as you can get.

Not hardly.  Accepting payments for Postroad News and Mail licenses AFTER they
had discontinued support is as far from classy as you can get.

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From: aboritz@cybernex.net                              12-Dec-99 09:20:01
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)

In article
<sXnyXDNIUu65-pn2-bIZk5nYBQJxh@207-172-184-121.s121.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.co
m>, dboultr@spamfree.erols.com wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:48:45, rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) wrote:
>
>> That's what happened with their newsreader.
>
>Geez, Bob!  What's this all about??  They knew their newsreader was a
>piece of crap, pretty much beyond saving.

I'm sure that could be true, but what all the people who bought it with the
understanding that they weren't buying a dead-end product with absolutely no
support?

>There were at the time, and
>have been subsequently, a ton of newsreader choices for OS/2 users.
>We didn't loose anything when they gave up that market.

No, Doug, "a ton" there isn't, not hardly.  Depending upon your choice of
delivery, the choice is certainly less than 5.  The choice of NNTP (and mail)
clients with active support (now) is now down to 1.

>I haven't looked at MR2/ICE 2.0 yet, but PostRoad Mailer is still
>arguably the best mail reader we have.  I paid for it once, long long
>ago, and I've gotten two major releases for free.

Innoval's last two major releases were v2.00 and v3.00.  Are you trying to
tell us that you were given a free upgrade to v2.00 and then again to v3.00,
while the rest of the world had to pay?

>I still use PRM and am happy with it.

You appear to be a very undemanding user.

>I'm pretty sure I got the newsreader for free too.

Only if you got your registration key in a warez newsgroup, I'm afraid.  The
rest of us paid for it, and received no support assistance when it wouldn't
work.  Innoval never released a free registration code for that product.

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From: innoval@ibm.net                                   12-Dec-99 16:02:28
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: innoval@ibm.net

Bob, we didn't do everything right. I know that. We learned. We failed
at the OS/2 market. Partly it was the market and partly it was blunders
on our part. But I don't feel completely bad about our efforts:

When it comes to mailers, OS/2 is fortunate to have an excellent choice
of excellent mailers. Our, Post Road Mailer, is one of them. Some
people prefer one, others another. That's great. We got our fair share.
I'm still very proud of the Post Road Mailer.

I'm now super-pleased with the opportunity to bring two new established
vendors into the OS/2 camp: AFST and National Dialup Service. I would
like to see us support them. I think they bring a good deal to the
table for OS/2 users.

Bob, you could have brought this deal to the table just as easily as I
did. I just had the good fortune of working with these companies. AFST
and NDS were very receptive to a good proposal. I'd hate to see this
opportunity fail because InnoVal failed in the OS/2 software market.
That just doesn't make sense to me. Go read the site at
http://isp800.com/os2/ Check out the FAQ.

For full disclosure, you should know that I have a vested interest in
AFST. I'm an investor. I'll lobby for OS/2 users. What I'd like to see
is our community of users "speak" to AFST and NDS with a common voice.
I'm not saying buy the service unless it is right for you. But I am
saying, given the right positive voice this good be mutually beneficial
(win/win).

Bob, I AM sorry we let you down. But I'm not sorry for trying then and
now.

Dan Porter, OS User

In article <176uZD2KcidF-pn2-xSISHdQ1GPId@man-169.dialup.zetnet.co.uk>,
  rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm)
> wrote:
>
> > Why? What's wrong with Innoval?
>
> This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their
> newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients.
> Leaving loyal users out in the cold.
>
> --
> Bob Eager
> rde at tavi.co.uk
> PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
> 8580*6,
> 8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..
>


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     12-Dec-99 16:43:23
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: Netsc. 4.61 quits at 14Mb download

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:38:03, "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" 
<tgal@pobox.com> wrote:

> I have Warp-4, Fixpak-12, Netsc. 4.61, and I began to
> download the 113 Mb zip for VAJ v3 . . . and the download
> died.  It's not my ISP.
> 
> Any suggestions?  Am I supposed to do something to the
> TCP/IP stack?
> 
> -- 
>  >  tgal@pobox.com
> 
> 
> InfoBaHn on:  Rockwell, Netscape, InJOY, and OS/2
> ____________________________________________________
> ((( BOXER )))  fassst, 32-bit character mode editor
> 
> http://www.boxersoftware.com/
> 
> ((( InJOY ))) INTERNET DIALER apparatus EXTRAORDINAIRE!
> 
> http://www.fx.dk/injoy
> 
> ((( BLOWFISH ))) ENCRYPTION for users/developers.
> 
> http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html
> 

There was some indication that the problem lies in the TCP/IP stack. 
There are, apparently, some extra end of file signals getting through.

I found a SIGNIFICANT improvevment after I installed the latest TCPIP 
fix pack (UN_980). I had tried downloading the latest (SUN version) of
StarOffice (about 66 meg), and kept losing it at about 8 meg. After 
installing UN_980, I got to about 56 meg, before it blew up (and I 
might have caused that by fooling around -> I was "testing" the 
reliability of the "fix" <g>). There is a link (among other things) 
at:
http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
to get the UN_980 fix pack. According to the docs:
===========================================
 This FixPak can be applied to:
 
   - IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 v3.1 (Warp Server) + UNx0959 
   - IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 v4.0 (OS/2 Warp v4)
   

 This FixPak is a universal FixPak that can be applied to any 
language.  If you are installing on TCP/IP v3.1, the 
 prerequisite for this FixPak is UNx0959, where x is the country code 
corresponding to your system's language or 
 country.   

 This FixPak contains fixes for IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 v3.1 & v4.0 
applications, including FTP, FTPD, NewsReader/2, 
 Syslogd, and TCPCOEX.  After applying this FixPak, the TCP/IP 
applications for OS/2 will be Year 2000 ready.   

 This FixPak does not contain fixes for IBM Web Explorer.  Instead, 
you should download Netscape Navigator 2.02 for 
 OS/2 or Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Warp.  These are 
available free of charge from IBM's Software Choice 
 at http://www-4.ibm.com/software/os/warp/swchoice/.  Click on the 
"Click Here" logo and select the language needed.  
 To download, select the "IBM Software Choice Catalog" link (at the 
bottom of the page), and then select Netscape 
 Navigator or Netscape Communicator.   

 Note:    You should have MPTS FixPak WRx8421 (or above) installed on 
your system before applying this FixPak.  
          Also note that WRx8610 should not be installed on a non-SMP 
Warp Server without installing TCP/IP v4.1 
          along with it.  There have been various problems reported 
when using WRx8610 without TCP/IP v4.1. 
=================================
This also explains the "confusion" that seemed to erupt over the 
WRx8610 TCP/IP update that came out some time ago.

I intend to keep using AWGET, and WGET, to download things, but 
sometimes web sites hide the URL (MOST inconsiderate IMO), so deep in 
junk that it is impossible (or very difficult) to get it transfered to
AWGET/WGET (even using DragText), and I have not, yet, figured out the
"password" usage with these two programs.

I hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: rsstan@ibm.net                                    12-Dec-99 12:19:26
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:14
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: "Bob Stan" <rsstan@ibm.net>

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:10:57 GMT, innoval@ibm.net wrote:

>Let me address servers first. All ISP800 mail servers are Linux. Some
>webhosting is Linux and some is other Unix variants. I think one site
>is AIX. There are no NT servers anywhere in the ISP800 system. Let me
>stree that, NO NT SERVERS. 
Thanks for the info.  What exactly does no USENET access mean?  Does that
mean I could not access this newsgroup directly, but would have to go through
Dejanews?


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From: fwkirk@attglobal.net                              12-Dec-99 17:22:12
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:15
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: fwkirk@attglobal.net (Frank Kirk)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:32:00, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

> Here's some hot news for all you NON-Warp City Members:
 
> FST Inc, has joined in a business partnership arrangement
> with National DialUp Services and InnoVal Systems Solutions,
> to provide a low-cost nationwide ISP service for OS/2 users.
> ISP800, a private brand ISP for corporate customers, is
> inaugurating service for consumers on January 3,  2000.

Tim,

	That's some of the best news I've heard in a while.  Thanks for 
posting it.

FWK

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          12-Dec-99 18:36:07
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:15
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>William Sonna
>Innoval, in contrast, was exemplary in the manner in which they left 
>the OS/2 maketplace.

What's so exemplary about leaving the OS/2 marketplace? Virtually all
commercial OS/2 developers have done so by now, and I have no doubt
that countless other developers have done so too. Hell, a great number
of endusers have done so too. It's not like leaving behind OS/2 is
uncommon. Just ask IBM and they'll tell you (in a leaked memo,
probably)

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From: p_fabre@hotmail.com                               12-Dec-99 17:28:28
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:15
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: p_fabre@hotmail.com

I guess NetLedger will run on any platform with a browser: OS/2, Win
3.1  but not DOS!

my 0.02

PF

In article <VcICMq7PXFGi-pn2-p1701b3zfdTx@h209-5-131-253.dccnet.com>,
  ralbers@dccnet.com wrote:
> Have run across something called 'NetLedger', but haven't played with
> it myself yet, though we are going to take a close look at it for
> running our business sometime this month - are existing accounting
> program (DacEasy 4.x DOS) works great, but is not y2k compliant, thus
> NetLedger will probably become our next system.
>
> On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:48:21, "Alan C. Whitehouse" <alan@resgroup.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com> wrote in message
> > news:126280594467272810993502@MWCTP...
> > >
> > >
> > > Help!
> > >
> > > The company that I work for is searching for a
manufacturing/accounting
> > > system...  The catch is that it must run in DOS, Windows 3.x, or
OS/2.
> > > No windows 9x or NT.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> >
> > A time travel machine perhaps?
> >
> >
>
>


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From: nick@secant.com                                   12-Dec-99 12:46:08
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:15
Subj: Re: AWGET

From: Nick Knight <nick@secant.com>

In <HN3LU9TeJQqu-pn2-HSmtumP5MQdl@ip018.pool-04.flashnet.it>, on 12/12/99 
   at 12:38 PM, sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it (Sand666) said:

>> When you install the latest version of awget (awget1514.zip) it puts a TODO 
on your desktop.

>Just for info, there is v1515 out...

Curious.  What do those using AWGET use it for?  I'm assuming this is the
same as wget (I think that's what I used once, to suck web pages).  What
doesn't it do that users might want it to?  Is it a popular tool?

Nick
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <nick@secant.com>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
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From: sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it                     12-Dec-99 18:08:03
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:15
Subj: Re: AWGET

From: sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it (Sand666)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:46:17, Nick Knight <nick@secant.com> wrote:

> Curious.  What do those using AWGET use it for?  I'm assuming this is the
> same as wget 

It's an interface for wget that adds drag and drop and other stuff to it,
instead
of just using it by command line.


>(I think that's what I used once, to suck web pages).

It's quite useful to resume http download, more then as a mirror tool
in my opinion.

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From: nick@secant.com                                   12-Dec-99 13:28:06
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:15
Subj: Re: AWGET

From: Nick Knight <nick@secant.com>

Thanks for the quick reply.

In <HN3LU9TeJQqu-pn2-oCUy7fzfLcB6@ip018.pool-04.flashnet.it>, on 12/12/99 
   at 06:08 PM, sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it (Sand666) said:

>>(I think that's what I used once, to suck web pages).

>It's quite useful to resume http download, more then as a mirror tool in
>my opinion.

"resume" as in re-getting a single file that was 50% fetched before?  Or
does this tools offer persistence when mirroring sites?  I ask, as I've
written a spider that works off of a disk-based queue and can be started
or restarted from where it left off before.

Anyone use wget (or similar tool) with REXX to create web-based agents? 
Well, anyone other than me? :)

I'll get the latest wget and awget and see what they do.  Thanks!

Nick
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <nick@secant.com>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
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From: sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it                     12-Dec-99 19:00:03
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:15
Subj: Re: AWGET

From: sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it (Sand666)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:28:12, Nick Knight <nick@secant.com> wrote:

> "resume" as in re-getting a single file that was 50% fetched before? 

Yes.


>Or does this tools offer persistence when mirroring sites? 

It might be my english, but I don't exactly understand what you mean with
that.
In any case I never used it to do that, since I use sslurp to mirror sites.


> I'll get the latest wget and awget and see what they do.  Thanks!

In case you need it, awget home is at
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7567/software/english/index.html

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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          12-Dec-99 19:12:11
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 16:45:15
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Richard Steiner (rsteiner@visi.com) wrote:
: Here in comp.os.os2.apps, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
: spake unto us, saying:

: >I've been looking for a real, good paint application for OS/2, for
: >original hand-drawn graphics. (Not like Colorworks or even Photo>Graphics,
: >which are better at image manipulation. I have both, they're great for
: >their jobs)

: Have you looked at Embellish?

:   http://www.dadaware.com

: It looks like it's a freebie now (their web site says that Dadaware has
: closed their doors, which is sad -- Joe wrote good software [IMhO]).


Dang! That sucks! Another piece of good software stopped.

Yes, I did look at Embellish before, but not exactly what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for something in the line of DeluxePaint or Fauve Matisse.
Both very, very old programs.


Isaac

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               12-Dec-99 12:37:04
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:10
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Alan Boritz wrote:

> Wipe your chin, take your kneepads, and get out of here, Timmy.

Statements such as this confirm to all the
whining ass/fool you continually demonstrate
yourself to be.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com

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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               12-Dec-99 16:05:23
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:10
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Alan Boritz wrote:
> 
> > Wipe your chin, take your kneepads, and get out of here, Timmy.
> 
> Statements such as this confirm to all the
> whining ass/fool you continually demonstrate
> yourself to be.

Statements such as this confirm to all the whining ass/fool you continually
demonstrate yourself to be.

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From: mirage@iae.nl                                     12-Dec-99 20:55:27
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl>

I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?

Corey
Mirage Media
Nuenen, The Netherlands 

Richard Steiner wrote:
> 
> Here in comp.os.os2.apps, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
> spake unto us, saying:
> 
> >I've been looking for a real, good paint application for OS/2, for
> >original hand-drawn graphics. (Not like Colorworks or even Photo>Graphics,
> >which are better at image manipulation. I have both, they're great for
> >their jobs)
> 
> Have you looked at Embellish?
> 
>   http://www.dadaware.com
> 
> It looks like it's a freebie now (their web site says that Dadaware has
> closed their doors, which is sad -- Joe wrote good software [IMhO]).
> 
> >So far, no luck, but I did find this page for Photogenics:
> >       http://www.paulnolan.com/news.html
> 
> I agree that Photogenics looks like a VERY nice program.
> 
> --
>    -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>      OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
>       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>               Did you expect to find words of wisdom here?

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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              12-Dec-99 20:57:03
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> writes:
>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?

It did fine for me.

Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: brbenne@no-spam.com                               12-Dec-99 14:07:16
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: ibm works & y2k

From: "b" <brbenne@no-spam.com>

Hi Jean, if you goto the IBM http://ps.software.ibm.com/  site there is a y2k
section, and you can find all the IBM OS/2 updates.  
  b
On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:22:44 +0100, Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote:

>Hello All.
>
>any idea if it's y2k?
>am running warp 3 connect fp40 version us
>if the "works" that come with connect isn't y2k, any idea if there's a patch
>for it, or an upgrade?
>thanks for tips
>
>Jean-Michel
>http://home.freegates.be/doggys-club
>+++++++++++++++++
>+ Doggy's Internet Gateway - +32-71-666292 - V34+ & X75
>+ Disclaimer: Les articles n'engagent QUE leurs auteurs, pas la passerelle

Bruce   mail to  brbenne@ibm.net   http://what-me.com


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               12-Dec-99 14:32:18
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Marty wrote:

> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > Alan Boritz wrote:
> >
> > > Wipe your chin, take your kneepads, and get out of here, Timmy.
> >
> > Statements such as this confirm to all the
> > whining ass/fool you continually demonstrate
> > yourself to be.
>
> Statements such as this confirm to all the whining ass/fool you continually
> demonstrate yourself to be.

Not gonna play this game Marty.  Your personal desire
to start flame wars with those you have a personal
hatred for are simply not worth the time of day.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City (http://warpcity.com)
"We Close The Y2K Discount Door For '99 Members 12/15"


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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               12-Dec-99 18:12:28
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Marty wrote:
> 
> > Tim Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Alan Boritz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wipe your chin, take your kneepads, and get out of here, Timmy.
> > >
> > > Statements such as this confirm to all the
> > > whining ass/fool you continually demonstrate
> > > yourself to be.
> >
> > Statements such as this confirm to all the whining ass/fool you
continually
> > demonstrate yourself to be.
> 
> Not gonna play this game Marty.

You already have been, Tim.  The above is evidence of this.

> Your personal desire to start flame wars with those you have a personal
> hatred for are simply not worth the time of day.

I don't hate you Tim.  In fact, I kinda like you.  Your antics have been quite
amusing over the years.  As far as starting flame wars, that was not my
intention.  Rather, I intended to point out the irony of your statement.

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From: luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be                  12-Dec-99 22:15:16
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: "Luc Van Bogaert" <luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be>

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:55:55 -0500, Mirage Media wrote:

>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
>

Yes, exact same problem here :-(


Luc Van Bogaert

  Vice President  - Warpstock
    Visit www.warpstock.org for the most important OS/2 event of the year


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From: mirage@iae.nl                                     12-Dec-99 22:29:29
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl>

Well, it's not good but I'm glad it's not just me....

Corey
Mirage Media
Nuenen, The Netherlands

Luc Van Bogaert wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:55:55 -0500, Mirage Media wrote:
> 
> >I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
> >installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
> >corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
> >
> 
> Yes, exact same problem here :-(
> 
> Luc Van Bogaert
> 
>   Vice President  - Warpstock
>     Visit www.warpstock.org for the most important OS/2 event of the year

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From: rbehm@ibm.net                                     12-Dec-99 21:55:15
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: rbehm@ibm.net

In <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> writes:
>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
>
>Corey
>Mirage Media
>Nuenen, The Netherlands 
>
I downloaded it today from Dadaware and it installed without any problems.


Reinhardt Behm, Nauheim, Germany, rbehm@ibm.net


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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     12-Dec-99 22:14:00
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Yamaha CRW6416S moved to 1542, CDRecord/2 can't see it

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

        [Followups set to comp.os.os2.setup.misc]

After three days of replacing cables, moving terminators, and shifting
devices on and off the SCSI cable, I finally gave up trying to make my
new Yamaha CRW6416S SCSI CD writer coexist with the two hard drives on
my motherboard's Adaptec 7880 50-pin cable (reported in
comp.periphs.scsi).

Since the Yamaha won't play nice with my hard drives, I pulled out an
old Adaptec 1542B and gave the Yamaha a SCSI bus of its very own
(internal cable).  Unfortunately, I still can't access it through
CDRecord/2.  Suggestions would be welcomed...  if I can't get it _and_
my SCSI hard drives working at the same time, I need to send it back to
DCD this week or next.

A -scanbus with CDRecord/2 v1.8a32 never sees the Yamaha (Device ID=5 on
the 1542) as a CD drive.  Here's what it reports:

--
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (C.
        Wohlgemuth-scsi-os2.c-1.11b '@(#)scsi-os2.c	1.11 99/11/20
        Copyright 1998 J. Schilling, C. Wohlgemuth').
Cdrecord release 1.8a32 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 Jrg Schilling
scsibus0:
	0,0,0	  0) 'HP      ' 'C3724S          ' '6039' Disk
	0,1,0	  1) *
	0,2,0	  2) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST32550N        ' '0022' Disk
	0,3,0	  3) *     (these two are correct)
	0,4,0	  4) *
	0,5,0	  5) *
	0,6,0	  6) *
	0,7,0	  7) *
scsibus1:
	1,0,0	100) *
	1,1,0	101) *
	1,2,0	102) *
	1,3,0	103) *
	1,4,0	104) *
	1,5,0	105) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST32550N        ' '0022' Disk
	1,6,0	106) *   (**** No, it's not! ****)
	1,7,0	107) *
((scsibus2-15 snipped))
--

Now, I really _don't_ have two Seagate ST32550Ns (;-) - the only device
set to ID=5 is the Yamaha, so that _has_ to be what is being reported as
"1,5,0".  So...  we do a device inquiry:

   cdrecord dev=1,5,0 -inq
Cdrecord release 1.8a32 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 Jrg Schilling
scsidev: '1,5,0'
scsibus: 1 target: 5 lun: 0
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (C.
    Wohlgemuth-scsi-os2.c-1.11b '@(#)scsi-os2.c       1.11 99/11/20
    Copyright 1998 J. Schilling, C. Wohlgemuth').
cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder.
cdrecord: I/O error. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
CDB:  00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS)
cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 40s
cdrecord: The unit seems to be hung and needs power cycling.
--

I can't tell for certain, but it _looks_ like the ST32550 is being 
"blipped' when I do this. In any case, there is no activity on the 
Yamaha.

The "alternate" form of dev= is apparently not supported:

[22 H:\ftp\cdr2]cdrecord dev=aha154x:5,0 -inq
Cdrecord release 1.8a32 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 Jrg Schilling
scsidev: 'aha154x:5,0'
devname: 'aha154x'
scsibus: 0 target: 5 lun: 0
cdrecord: Invalid argument. Open by 'devname' not supported on this OS.
    Cannot open SCSI driver.



Here are the relevant drivers snipped from my CONFIG.SYS file:

    REM aic7870 for A.I.R. motherbaord, aha154x for Adaptec 1542B (ISA)
    BASEDEV=aic7870.add /v
    BASEDEV=aha154x.ADD /v
    ...
    REM *** OS/2 SCSI device support (required for BTSSCSI.SYS)
    BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
    ...
    Rem --- The following two drivers are needed for CDRecord/2
    Rem -- Moved to end of CONFIG.SYS to prevent hard hang on ASPIROUT
    device=c:\pause\aspirout.sys
    Rem -- OK: /SHARE, /SHARE /ALL
    basedev=os2aspi.dmd /share /all
    Rem ---

The 1542 doesn't recognize the Yamaha during the BIOS scan, but it has
been so long since I had anything _but_ hard drives hooked up I'm not
sure if it's looking for anything _besides_ hard drives.  The OS/2
driver (AHA154X.ADD), however, does see it just fine, and reports it as
"YAMAHA CRW6416S 1.0c".

Any ideas on how I can get CDRecord/2 talking to the drive?


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           12-Dec-99 22:27:20
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:57:00, Marvin Volz <mtve@hal-pc.org> wrote:

> From a spreedsheet with a table of names, addresses, etc. just "Create"
"Mailing
> labels" and follow the instructions. An Approach db will be created which
you can
> edit - fonts, etc. and you pick Avery label type.

Where is the format for that spreadsheet defined?  Will it 
automatically generate USPS bar codes? 

--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: steint@stud.ntnu.no                               13-Dec-99 00:05:21
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 opens only certain URLs

From: "Stein L. Tomassen" <steint@stud.ntnu.no>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:34:50 -0500, Daniel Weiss wrote:

>I am running Netscape 4.61 with Warp 4.0.  I have opened
>www.abebooks.com with no problem.  But when I try to open the search URL
>within that site, I cannot.  When I download the search URL to my
>machine I CAN open it with Netscape; but not online.  This has happened
>with other sites as well: I am told that a site has been contacted and
>we are waiting for a reply.  But the reply never comes.
>
>This is not a security issue.  I know these sites work, because, god
>help me, I have opened them with Explorer.
>
>Is anyone familiar with this entertaining quirk?
>
I am now and then having the same problem, NS says it are waiting for a
reply. But it is usually solved if I press stop an do a reload, then it comes
at once. I am also having another problem, NS says document done, but the
page is blank. If I minimize the page and then restore, then the page is ok.
This is a problem with my SDD driver and Matrox Mill. II card.

Your problem sounds like something else, but who knows...

Best regards
Stein


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From: wdlkhl@attglobal.net                              12-Dec-99 15:10:29
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 19:56:11
Subj: Newsgroup offline

From: Wm D Loughman <wdlkhl@attglobal.net>

I've tried Communicator 4.61 to download newsgroups for offline
reading.  Well, it's sloooow.  But "save..." is fast.  Posting messages
is fast.

I _use_ 'SLRN" to read newsgroups off-line, 'cause downloads are pretty
fast.
But saving messages to file is a convoluted process ...for me.  ;-> 
_Posting_ messages seems to be unreliable.  Uh, doesn't work???

How to get Communicator to go faster?  _OR_  How to get SLRN to 'post'??


WD "Bill" Loughman       "The problem with the gene pool: no lifeguard."
Berkeley, California  USA
wdlkhl@attglobal.net

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From: afjbell@onlink.net                                12-Dec-99 18:35:13
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 21:19:04
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: "Alex Bell" <afjbell@onlink.net>

On 12 Dec 1999 21:55:30 GMT, rbehm@ibm.net wrote:

>In <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> writes:
>>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
>>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
>>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>
I downloaded it, and found that it needed two epfi*.dlls.  But as I had them
in the PMView directory I was able to complete installation.

I could send the dlls to you, if they are not copyright.

Regards, Alex


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From: nitebird@voicenet.com                             12-Dec-99 18:48:05
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 21:19:04
Subj: Re: AWGET

From: nitebird@voicenet.com (Barry Mann)

In <3853dfd2$1$avpx$mr2ice@client.ce.news.psi.net>, on 12/12/99 
   at 12:46 PM, Nick Knight <nick@secant.com> said:

>In <HN3LU9TeJQqu-pn2-HSmtumP5MQdl@ip018.pool-04.flashnet.it>, on
>12/12/99 
>   at 12:38 PM, sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it (Sand666) said:

>>> When you install the latest version of awget (awget1514.zip) it puts a
TODO on your desktop.

>>Just for info, there is v1515 out...

>Curious.  What do those using AWGET use it for?  I'm assuming this is
>the same as wget (I think that's what I used once, to suck web pages). 
>What doesn't it do that users might want it to?  Is it a popular tool?

>Nick

It's a GUI front end for WGET.

Basically, drag and drop a file on ToDo and WGET won't give up until the
file is complete. It will survive system reboots. Some servers, however,
will not support continued downloads.

-----------------------------------------------------------
nitebird@voicenet.com (Barry Mann)
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               13-Dec-99 01:10:27
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 21:19:04
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Alex Bell schrieb:
> I downloaded it, and found that it needed two epfi*.dlls.  But as I had them
> in the PMView directory I was able to complete installation.
> 
> I could send the dlls to you, if they are not copyright.

Should be no problem, since they belong to the IBM software installer
AFAIK.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               13-Dec-99 01:16:08
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 21:19:04
Subj: Re: AWGET

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Barry Mann schrieb:
> 
> In <3853dfd2$1$avpx$mr2ice@client.ce.news.psi.net>, on 12/12/99
>    at 12:46 PM, Nick Knight <nick@secant.com> said:
> 
> >In <HN3LU9TeJQqu-pn2-HSmtumP5MQdl@ip018.pool-04.flashnet.it>, on
> >12/12/99
> >   at 12:38 PM, sand666.bleah@bleah.libero.it (Sand666) said:
> 
> >>> When you install the latest version of awget (awget1514.zip) it puts a
TODO on your desktop.
> 
> >>Just for info, there is v1515 out...
> 
> >Curious.  What do those using AWGET use it for?  I'm assuming this is
> >the same as wget (I think that's what I used once, to suck web pages).
> >What doesn't it do that users might want it to?  Is it a popular tool?
> 
> >Nick
> 
> It's a GUI front end for WGET.
> 
> Basically, drag and drop a file on ToDo and WGET won't give up until the
> file is complete. It will survive system reboots. Some servers, however,
> will not support continued downloads.

And some use the referer to determine if you try to download a file from
a site on their domain or if somebody linked to it. Since WGet has no
referer information you don't get the file. BTW, the same will happen if
you use a proxy like Junkbuster that is configured to disguise the
referer. So beware.
Anyway, Auto WGet made my life a _lot_ easier.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: aboritz@cybernex.net                              12-Dec-99 15:40:24
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 21:19:04
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)

In article <830gvf$hjj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, innoval@ibm.net wrote:
>Bob, we didn't do everything right. I know that. We learned.

No you didn't.

>We failed
>at the OS/2 market. Partly it was the market and partly it was blunders
>on our part.

No, it was mostly blunders on YOUR part.  The market was always there, but you
refused to believe that the customers you screwed would talk to other
potential customers and possibly spread news that your support sucked, and
your employees were poorly managed.  What I particularly find amazing is the
number of times you publicly state this, while introducing something else to
separate OS/2 users from their cash.  Maybe YOU can try to rewrite history,
but not everyone's going to buy your line of bullshit.

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From: Yelmow@together.net                               12-Dec-99 19:28:01
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 21:19:04
Subj: GPG for OS/2 ??

From: Yelmow@together.net (Mark Tucker)

Is there a port of GPG (Gnu Privacy Guard) for OS/2?  If so, where can
it be down loaded?

Thanks,

Mark
mark (at) tucker (dot) net

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    13-Dec-99 02:50:17
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:19
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

You proved yourself as a liar a long time ago so why do you continue to
believe that you will be taken seriously?  Like I said, the impact wasn't
hard enough.

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    13-Dec-99 02:53:04
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:19
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <38542283.F14569D2@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>Marty wrote:
>
>> Tim Martin wrote:
>> >
>> > Alan Boritz wrote:
>> >
>> > > Wipe your chin, take your kneepads, and get out of here, Timmy.
>> >
>> > Statements such as this confirm to all the
>> > whining ass/fool you continually demonstrate
>> > yourself to be.
>>
>> Statements such as this confirm to all the whining ass/fool you continually
>> demonstrate yourself to be.
>
>Not gonna play this game Marty.  Your personal desire
>to start flame wars with those you have a personal
>hatred for are simply not worth the time of day.

This coming from somebody that does just that, priceless.  So was it an
airbag or a seatbelt that kept you free to spew hypocrisy?

>
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City (http://warpcity.com)
>"We Close The Y2K Discount Door For '99 Members 12/15"
>
>


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From: nomad@praxcomm.com                                13-Dec-99 01:54:13
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:19
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: nomad@praxcomm.com

In <nsworyybayvaxarg.fmniv30.pminews@news.onlink.net>, "Alex Bell"
<afjbell@onlink.net> writes:

>I downloaded it, and found that it needed two epfi*.dlls.  But as I had them
>in the PMView directory I was able to complete installation.

I, too, have been unable to install Embellish, as I'm lacking those EPFI*.DLL
files.

Would be kind enough to send them to me (and tell me where they should be 
placed)?


Regards (and thanks),

Alan Thwaits
Digital Cycling
mailto: nomad@praxcomm.com
http://www.praxcomm.com/

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From: oad@it.hkbank.com                                 13-Dec-99 10:07:08
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:19
Subj: WordPerfect 6.0 Invalid Filename

From: "oad" <oad@it.hkbank.com>

Why WordPerfect6.0 filename will have a @XXX in the beginning characters?
The software is on OS/2 platform, installed at LAN server running Netware.





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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Dec-99 02:23:10
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: AWGET

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:16:17, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

snip
> 
> And some use the referer to determine if you try to download a file from
> a site on their domain or if somebody linked to it. Since WGet has no
> referer information you don't get the file. BTW, the same will happen if
> you use a proxy like Junkbuster that is configured to disguise the
> referer. So beware.

Except that SmartCache can both log referrer info, and feed fake 
referrer IDs, and WGET appears to allow itself to operate through a 
proxy, so the two could be combined to defeat that. Theoretically?


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Dec-99 02:27:03
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 opens only certain URLs

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:05:43, "Stein L. Tomassen" 
<steint@stud.ntnu.no> wrote:

snipt
> >
> I am now and then having the same problem, NS says it are waiting for a
> reply. But it is usually solved if I press stop an do a reload, then it
comes
> at once. I am also having another problem, NS says document done, but the
> page is blank. If I minimize the page and then restore, then the page is ok.
> This is a problem with my SDD driver and Matrox Mill. II card.

Same NS 4.61 page writing problem here, with both MGA's drivers (2.29,
2.30, 2.36) and SDD's beta 11 (had to back that baby out, despite 
evident advances, and still haven't gotten through to SciTech about my
particular "black screen" problem).


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: tgal@pobox.com                                    12-Dec-99 19:01:05
  To: doug.bissett@attglobal.net                        13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: Netsc. 4.61 quits at 14Mb download

To: Doug Bissett <doug.bissett@attglobal.net>
From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <tgal@pobox.com>

My cordial thanks for your thorough explanation.  Alas, the 
README files in the fixpaks often are not clear about the 
upgrade paths.  Here's what I have done on my Warp-4 sys.:

--Applied fixpaks up to 8
--Applied MPTN-8610
--Applied MPTN-8620 ==> this made TCP/IP STACK & LAPS v5.50,
       and its protocol drivers 6.2 as INETVER reports them.
--Applied Fixpak-12
--Installed Java 1.1.8

After the dust settled, IAK and TCP/IP APPS. (not the stack)
are still UN_00000 v4.00

Should I apply now UN_980?  Will it downgrade anything?


Doug Bissett wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:38:03, "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)"
> <tgal@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have Warp-4, Fixpak-12, Netsc. 4.61, and I began to
> > download the 113 Mb zip for VAJ v3 . . . and the download
> > died.  It's not my ISP.
> >
> > Any suggestions?  Am I supposed to do something to the
> > TCP/IP stack?
> >
> > --
> >  >  tgal@pobox.com
> >
> > 
> > InfoBaHn on:  Rockwell, Netscape, InJOY, and OS/2
> > ____________________________________________________
> > ((( BOXER )))  fassst, 32-bit character mode editor
> >
> > http://www.boxersoftware.com/
> > 
> > ((( InJOY ))) INTERNET DIALER apparatus EXTRAORDINAIRE!
> >
> > http://www.fx.dk/injoy
> > 
> > ((( BLOWFISH ))) ENCRYPTION for users/developers.
> >
> > http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html
> > 
> 
> There was some indication that the problem lies in the TCP/IP stack.
> There are, apparently, some extra end of file signals getting through.
> 
> I found a SIGNIFICANT improvevment after I installed the latest TCPIP
> fix pack (UN_980). I had tried downloading the latest (SUN version) of
> StarOffice (about 66 meg), and kept losing it at about 8 meg. After
> installing UN_980, I got to about 56 meg, before it blew up (and I
> might have caused that by fooling around -> I was "testing" the
> reliability of the "fix" <g>). There is a link (among other things)
> at:
> http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
> to get the UN_980 fix pack. According to the docs:
> ===========================================
>  This FixPak can be applied to:
> 
>    - IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 v3.1 (Warp Server) + UNx0959
>    - IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 v4.0 (OS/2 Warp v4)
> 
> 
>  This FixPak is a universal FixPak that can be applied to any
> language.  If you are installing on TCP/IP v3.1, the
>  prerequisite for this FixPak is UNx0959, where x is the country code
> corresponding to your system's language or
>  country.
> 
>  This FixPak contains fixes for IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 v3.1 & v4.0
> applications, including FTP, FTPD, NewsReader/2,
>  Syslogd, and TCPCOEX.  After applying this FixPak, the TCP/IP
> applications for OS/2 will be Year 2000 ready.
> 
>  This FixPak does not contain fixes for IBM Web Explorer.  Instead,
> you should download Netscape Navigator 2.02 for
>  OS/2 or Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Warp.  These are
> available free of charge from IBM's Software Choice
>  at http://www-4.ibm.com/software/os/warp/swchoice/.  Click on the
> "Click Here" logo and select the language needed.
>  To download, select the "IBM Software Choice Catalog" link (at the
> bottom of the page), and then select Netscape
>  Navigator or Netscape Communicator.
> 
>  Note:    You should have MPTS FixPak WRx8421 (or above) installed on
> your system before applying this FixPak.
>           Also note that WRx8610 should not be installed on a non-SMP
> Warp Server without installing TCP/IP v4.1
>           along with it.  There have been various problems reported
> when using WRx8610 without TCP/IP v4.1.
> =================================
> This also explains the "confusion" that seemed to erupt over the
> WRx8610 TCP/IP update that came out some time ago.
> 
> I intend to keep using AWGET, and WGET, to download things, but
> sometimes web sites hide the URL (MOST inconsiderate IMO), so deep in
> junk that it is impossible (or very difficult) to get it transfered to
> AWGET/WGET (even using DragText), and I have not, yet, figured out the
> "password" usage with these two programs.
> 
> I hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

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From: fake@forgitaboutit.com                            13-Dec-99 03:07:04
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: David H. McCoy <fake@forgitaboutit.com>

In article <QhAV4gBhDm2M092yn@cybernex.net>, aboritz@cybernex.net says...
>In article <830gvf$hjj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, innoval@ibm.net wrote:
>>Bob, we didn't do everything right. I know that. We learned.
>
>No you didn't.
>
>>We failed
>>at the OS/2 market. Partly it was the market and partly it was blunders
>>on our part.
>
>No, it was mostly blunders on YOUR part.  The market was always there, but
you
>refused to believe that the customers you screwed would talk to other
>potential customers and possibly spread news that your support sucked, and
>your employees were poorly managed.  What I particularly find amazing is the
>number of times you publicly state this, while introducing something else to
>separate OS/2 users from their cash.  Maybe YOU can try to rewrite history,
>but not everyone's going to buy your line of bullshit.
>

Hardly fair. OS/2 is simply unable to sustain a ISV on just about any level. 
Many try and eventually, one by one, they leave.



-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 12-Dec-99 22:19:08
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.marketplace, aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)
spake unto us, saying:

>No, Doug, "a ton" there isn't, not hardly.  Depending upon your choice of
>delivery, the choice is certainly less than 5.  The choice of NNTP (and
>mail) clients with active support (now) is now down to 1.

There are considerably more than five newsreaders for OS/2, Alan.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                  * SLMR 2.0 #694 * Just kidding!!!  :-)

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From: miharris@connectcorp.net                          13-Dec-99 04:50:29
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: miharris@connectcorp.net

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:20:03, aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz) 
wrote:

 
Quotedl>I'm pretty sure I got the newsreader for free too.
Quotedl
QuotedlOnly if you got your registration key in a warez newsgroup, I'm
afraid.  The
Quotedlrest of us paid for it, and received no support assistance when it
wouldn't
Quotedlwork.  Innoval never released a free registration code for that
product.

You're WAY out of line here,... I got a FREE copy of the newsreader 
(not warez).  It was free to those of us who purchased the GREEN 
version of PRM v1.0. .... then again,... that may have been long 
before you came on board as an os/2'er!   Next, time be a little more 
careful about (accusing ppl of illegal actions) sticking your foot in 
your mouth,... you may have accidently stepped in something!  ;^)

                        _\\|//_    Pssst!
                       (` o-o ') /
        ---------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------

The Box said, "Requires Windows95 or better."
I use better, much better thank you...
                                         
Warped with OS/2 4.0 at FP 8 and Java 1.1.7A
_______________________________________
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_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/  
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From: leea@psynet.net                                   12-Dec-99 20:47:29
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Lee Aroner  <leea@psynet.net>

Dan:

Thanks for responding so quickly. The news is all good. Linux 
servers is good. 

I really wasn't slamming the TS I spoke to: ISP's don't pay 
all that well, OS/2 folk are few and far between and, as we 
all know, it's a Windows world out there. But she could have 
been at least a little bit better prepared. In any case, 
having once been a network admin for a frame relay/ISP outfit 
that you would recognize if I named it, I fully understand the 
situation and it doesn't bother me, as I suspect it won't 
bother most OS/2 users - for the most part, we don't need tech 
support. 

Yes, I got through right away, yes the attitiude was 
excellent, she was really trying to be helpful, all good 
points!

I'll give the 800 number a shot in a minute, soon as I get it 
added to the firewall config. It definitely needs to be on the 
signup page.

One other point, they *really* need to do news. It's not that 
hard to put up a couple Linux boxes to run news from and UUNet 
can push to them no problem. Even if connects are good, I'd 
still have to maintain another connection just to get news - 
that keeps them in the "Convenient when on the road" catagory.

Thanks again for the response!

LRA 

(PS) Still using NetExtra - great program!

------------------------
> Lee, you make some good points.
> 
> Let me address servers first. All ISP800 mail servers are 
Linux. Some
> webhosting is Linux and some is other Unix variants. I think 
one site
> is AIX. There are no NT servers anywhere in the ISP800 
system. Let me
> stree that, NO NT SERVERS. See FAQ at http://isp800/os2/
> 
> Sure, it sounds like Windows support when you call tech 
support. I wish
> it weren't so but that is what AFST's market looks like. But 
AFST is
> willing to give OS/2 users a go. When I suggested the OS/2 
deal to
> AFST, it was received with enthusiasm. I talked to two 
"lead" tech
> support people who were thrilled about the prospects of OS/2 
users and
> recognize that OS/2, though a slim market share, comprises 
an
> important, talented, and savvy group.
> 
> As for naive, I don't know who you talked to. There are 
about 55 TS
> folks if memory serves me right. Questions: Did you get 
through
> quickly? Did tech support try to be helpful? Was attitude 
good?
> 
> As for TS not knowing the 800 number, the ISP800 brand name 
goes online
> to the general public, and in particular OS/2 users, Jan 3. 
Under
> various other brand names, already in operation for a long 
time, often
> with different callin numbers and different support 
criteria, (and
> different access numbers), I don't think you would have 
encountered
> this situation. I don't know for sure. I'll pass on your 
comment to
> AFST. Here it is. Try it. I'm getting 50666 right now:
> 
>    888-488-4418
> 
> I'll suggest that AFST put the number on the pre-reg pages. 
I know it
> is on the regular pages for the 1/3/2000 launch. Remember, 
this was a
> hurry up set of web pages to give OS/2 users an 
extra-special deal.
> 
> Remember, ISP800, is functionally designed for corporate 
accounts where
> performance, availability, wide-spread access, and 
reliability are key.
> I just think OS/2 users are a good fit. I think we got a 
good deal from
> AFST.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> In article <Chameleon.991211210441.leea@FRED>,
>   Lee Aroner  <leea@psynet.net> wrote:
> > Dan:
> >
> > Appreciate the effort. However, when I called to size up 
the
> > offer I found the following:
> >
> > (1) As you said, sounds like windows support, and rather 
naive
> > at that. What the hey, I don't need or want support anyways.
> >
> > (2) The TS with the teenage sounding voice that answered
> > didn't have any idea what their servers run on. I prefer Nix
> > of some sort, Linux is fine, but I need to know. I won't
> > support an ISP that runs NT.
> >
> > (3) The TS also didn't know who their backbone supplier was,
> > but after a couple minutes checking, figured out it was UUNet.
> > That part's fine.
> >
> > (4) The TS did not have, or pretended not to know what the 800
> > number was. If I can't test for connection speed, I'm not
> > interested in signing up. I get 49333 connects every time
> > where I'm at now, and I won't switch to an unknown without
> > some random test connects.
> >
> > If you do want to make some money off this deal, get them to
> > give out the 800 number for connects, and find out what they
> > serve mail and pages from. Gotta know those two...
> >
> > LRA
> >
> > ------------------------
> >   From: innoval@ibm.net
> >   Subject: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!
> >   Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:35:30 GMT
> >   To: "comp.os.os2.advocacy"
> > <@news:comp.os.os2.advocacy@192.168.16.2>, "comp.os.os2.apps"
> > <@news:comp.os.os2.apps@192.168.16.2>, "comp.os.os2.comm"
> > <@news:comp.os.os2.comm@192.168.16.2>,
> > "comp.os.os2.marketplace"
> > <@news:comp.os.os2.marketplace@192.168.16.2>
> >
> > > In article <zterrarrkvfarg.fmk8te0.pminews@news.exis.net>,
> > >   "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@hotbot.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
> > > > Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look
> > at who you
> > > > are talking about - Innoval????
> > >
> > > Okay. Let's get some facts straight before this goes to far
> > off topic.
> > >
> > > AFST is actually offering ISP800 to OS/2 users, not InnoVal. Read
> the
> > > details and the FAQ at isp800.com/os2/. I, Dan Porter, sought and
> > > engineered the deal for OS/2 users. Anyone else (any supporter and
> user
> > > of OS/2 like myself) could have done it just as easily. InnoVal may
> have
> > > withdrawn from the OS/2 software market, but InnoVal still has OS/2
> > > users and supporters, and the company does recognize that OS/2 users
> > > WERE important to us and ARE important to us.
> > >
> > > I, personally, and InnoVal, have a vested interest in AFST. When
> AFST
> > > closes a big multi-user deal (and they have closed some very big
> deals)
> > > I and InnoVal earn something for our efforts. I would be surprised
> if
> > > OS/2 users as a group (oh, I wish it could be so) will be a big
> enough
> > > deal to earn us anything -- certainly not at the prices being
> offered to
> > > OS/2 users. It was just something that I wanted to do.
> > >
> > > I've seen what AFST brings to the table with 65 tech support people
> (all
> > > trained unfortunately in Windows stuff), 800 re-routed access, high
> > > bandwidth, high capacity email, etc. It's a good deal, even if you
> don't
> > > like InnoVal. All InnoVal did was try to bring you a good price when
> > > AFST launches public consumer service under the ISP800 brand.
> > >
> > > I was the one who pulled the plug on InnoVal's direct involvement
> with
> > > OS/2 software. It was a financial thing that investors get concerned
> > > about. Add to that, that as a company, we were not good enough with
> > > support in the consumer marketplace. I thought we could be, but I
> was
> > > mistaken. The market wasn't there anymore. So blame me. Not InnoVal.
> > >
> > > InnoVal, BTW, is lobbying for OS/2 solutions, support, etc. with
> AFST
> > > and its business partners and vendors. We are not doing so because
> we
> > > are emotionally attached to OS/2 but because, in some areas, it
> makes
> > > good business sense.
> > >
> > > ISP800 makes good business sense. I feel good that we (all of us who
> > > want to be a part of this) are, in a small way, involving two new
> > > vendors (AFST and National Dialup) in the OS/2 world.
> > >
> > > Dan Porter, President
> > > InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> > >
> >
> > ---------------End of Original Message-----------------
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Name: Lee Aroner
> > E-mail: Lee Aroner <leea@nospm.psynet.net>
> >
> > (Please remove "nospm." to reply...)
> >
> > Date: 12/11/1999
> > Time: 20:58:54
> >
> >  _,_ /|
> >  \`o.O' ACK!
> >  =(___)=
> >     U
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
> 

---------------End of Original Message-----------------

--------------------------------------------------------
Name: Lee Aroner
E-mail: Lee Aroner <leea@nospm.psynet.net>

(Please remove "nospm." to reply...)

Date: 12/12/1999
Time: 20:47:58

 _,_ /|
 \`o.O' ACK!
 =(___)=
    U

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From: leea@psynet.net                                   12-Dec-99 21:03:21
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Lee Aroner  <leea@psynet.net>

Dan:

Just tried the 888 number, connects are in the 48000 - 49333 
range, very acceptable performance.

Now if they could just announce the availability of news 
starting on Jan 1....

LRA

------------------------
> Lee, you make some good points.
> 
> Let me address servers first. All ISP800 mail servers are 
Linux. Some
> webhosting is Linux and some is other Unix variants. I think 
one site
> is AIX. There are no NT servers anywhere in the ISP800 
system. Let me
> stree that, NO NT SERVERS. See FAQ at http://isp800/os2/
> 
> Sure, it sounds like Windows support when you call tech 
support. I wish
> it weren't so but that is what AFST's market looks like. But 
AFST is
> willing to give OS/2 users a go. When I suggested the OS/2 
deal to
> AFST, it was received with enthusiasm. I talked to two 
"lead" tech
> support people who were thrilled about the prospects of OS/2 
users and
> recognize that OS/2, though a slim market share, comprises an
> important, talented, and savvy group.
> 
> As for naive, I don't know who you talked to. There are about 55 TS
> folks if memory serves me right. Questions: Did you get through
> quickly? Did tech support try to be helpful? Was attitude good?
> 
> As for TS not knowing the 800 number, the ISP800 brand name goes online
> to the general public, and in particular OS/2 users, Jan 3. Under
> various other brand names, already in operation for a long time, often
> with different callin numbers and different support criteria, (and
> different access numbers), I don't think you would have encountered
> this situation. I don't know for sure. I'll pass on your comment to
> AFST. Here it is. Try it. I'm getting 50666 right now:
> 
>    888-488-4418
> 
> I'll suggest that AFST put the number on the pre-reg pages. I know it
> is on the regular pages for the 1/3/2000 launch. Remember, this was a
> hurry up set of web pages to give OS/2 users an extra-special deal.
> 
> Remember, ISP800, is functionally designed for corporate accounts where
> performance, availability, wide-spread access, and reliability are key.
> I just think OS/2 users are a good fit. I think we got a good deal from
> AFST.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> In article <Chameleon.991211210441.leea@FRED>,
>   Lee Aroner  <leea@psynet.net> wrote:
> > Dan:
> >
> > Appreciate the effort. However, when I called to size up the
> > offer I found the following:
> >
> > (1) As you said, sounds like windows support, and rather naive
> > at that. What the hey, I don't need or want support anyways.
> >
> > (2) The TS with the teenage sounding voice that answered
> > didn't have any idea what their servers run on. I prefer Nix
> > of some sort, Linux is fine, but I need to know. I won't
> > support an ISP that runs NT.
> >
> > (3) The TS also didn't know who their backbone supplier was,
> > but after a couple minutes checking, figured out it was UUNet.
> > That part's fine.
> >
> > (4) The TS did not have, or pretended not to know what the 800
> > number was. If I can't test for connection speed, I'm not
> > interested in signing up. I get 49333 connects every time
> > where I'm at now, and I won't switch to an unknown without
> > some random test connects.
> >
> > If you do want to make some money off this deal, get them to
> > give out the 800 number for connects, and find out what they
> > serve mail and pages from. Gotta know those two...
> >
> > LRA
> >
> > ------------------------
> >   From: innoval@ibm.net
> >   Subject: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!
> >   Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:35:30 GMT
> >   To: "comp.os.os2.advocacy"
> > <@news:comp.os.os2.advocacy@192.168.16.2>, "comp.os.os2.apps"
> > <@news:comp.os.os2.apps@192.168.16.2>, "comp.os.os2.comm"
> > <@news:comp.os.os2.comm@192.168.16.2>,
> > "comp.os.os2.marketplace"
> > <@news:comp.os.os2.marketplace@192.168.16.2>
> >
> > > In article <zterrarrkvfarg.fmk8te0.pminews@news.exis.net>,
> > >   "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@hotbot.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
> > > > Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look
> > at who you
> > > > are talking about - Innoval????
> > >
> > > Okay. Let's get some facts straight before this goes to far
> > off topic.
> > >
> > > AFST is actually offering ISP800 to OS/2 users, not InnoVal. Read
> the
> > > details and the FAQ at isp800.com/os2/. I, Dan Porter, sought and
> > > engineered the deal for OS/2 users. Anyone else (any supporter and
> user
> > > of OS/2 like myself) could have done it just as easily. InnoVal may
> have
> > > withdrawn from the OS/2 software market, but InnoVal still has OS/2
> > > users and supporters, and the company does recognize that OS/2 users
> > > WERE important to us and ARE important to us.
> > >
> > > I, personally, and InnoVal, have a vested interest in AFST. When
> AFST
> > > closes a big multi-user deal (and they have closed some very big
> deals)
> > > I and InnoVal earn something for our efforts. I would be surprised
> if
> > > OS/2 users as a group (oh, I wish it could be so) will be a big
> enough
> > > deal to earn us anything -- certainly not at the prices being
> offered to
> > > OS/2 users. It was just something that I wanted to do.
> > >
> > > I've seen what AFST brings to the table with 65 tech support people
> (all
> > > trained unfortunately in Windows stuff), 800 re-routed access, high
> > > bandwidth, high capacity email, etc. It's a good deal, even if you
> don't
> > > like InnoVal. All InnoVal did was try to bring you a good price when
> > > AFST launches public consumer service under the ISP800 brand.
> > >
> > > I was the one who pulled the plug on InnoVal's direct involvement
> with
> > > OS/2 software. It was a financial thing that investors get concerned
> > > about. Add to that, that as a company, we were not good enough with
> > > support in the consumer marketplace. I thought we could be, but I
> was
> > > mistaken. The market wasn't there anymore. So blame me. Not InnoVal.
> > >
> > > InnoVal, BTW, is lobbying for OS/2 solutions, support, etc. with
> AFST
> > > and its business partners and vendors. We are not doing so because
> we
> > > are emotionally attached to OS/2 but because, in some areas, it
> makes
> > > good business sense.
> > >
> > > ISP800 makes good business sense. I feel good that we (all of us who
> > > want to be a part of this) are, in a small way, involving two new
> > > vendors (AFST and National Dialup) in the OS/2 world.
> > >
> > > Dan Porter, President
> > > InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> > >
> >
> > ---------------End of Original Message-----------------
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Name: Lee Aroner
> > E-mail: Lee Aroner <leea@nospm.psynet.net>
> >
> > (Please remove "nospm." to reply...)
> >
> > Date: 12/11/1999
> > Time: 20:58:54
> >
> >  _,_ /|
> >  \`o.O' ACK!
> >  =(___)=
> >     U
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
> 

---------------End of Original Message-----------------

--------------------------------------------------------
Name: Lee Aroner
E-mail: Lee Aroner <leea@nospm.psynet.net>

(Please remove "nospm." to reply...)

Date: 12/12/1999
Time: 21:03:43

 _,_ /|
 \`o.O' ACK!
 =(___)=
    U

--------------------------------------------------------

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From: kentuckybob@att.net                               12-Dec-99 22:31:01
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: Newsgroup offline

From: kentuckybob@att.net

Personally, I prefer to use the "beta" newsreader of MR2/ICE

Bob


In <38542B83.6AC9AC94@attglobal.net>, on 12/12/99 
   at 03:10 PM, Wm D Loughman <wdlkhl@attglobal.net> said:

>I've tried Communicator 4.61 to download newsgroups for offline reading. 
>Well, it's sloooow.  But "save..." is fast.  Posting messages is fast.

>I _use_ 'SLRN" to read newsgroups off-line, 'cause downloads are pretty
>fast.
>But saving messages to file is a convoluted process ...for me.  ;-> 
>_Posting_ messages seems to be unreliable.  Uh, doesn't work???

>How to get Communicator to go faster?  _OR_  How to get SLRN to 'post'??


>WD "Bill" Loughman       "The problem with the gene pool: no lifeguard."
>Berkeley, California  USA
>wdlkhl@attglobal.net
-- 
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Robert Underwood - kentuckybob@att.net
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From: jhong@FIVE04.remote.mun.ca                        13-Dec-99 04:22:18
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: TIN for OS/2

From: jhong@FIVE04.remote.mun.ca (John Hong)

  Is there a more recent version of TIN news reader?  The latest
one at Hobbes is dated 1993.

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               12-Dec-99 21:13:16
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:20
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: letoured@nospam.net

In <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, on 12/12/99 
   at 08:55 PM, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> said:

>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?

I found the same thing. Epfiexts.dll tha tit installs is corrupt.

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: miharris@connectcorp.net                          13-Dec-99 05:14:09
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:21
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: miharris@connectcorp.net

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:40:48, aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz) 
wrote:

 
QuotedlNo, it was mostly blunders on YOUR part.  The market was always there, 
but you
Quotedlrefused to believe that the customers you screwed would talk to other
Quotedlpotential customers and possibly spread news that your support sucked, 
and
Quotedlyour employees were poorly managed.  What I particularly find amazing
is the
Quotedlnumber of times you publicly state this, while introducing something
else to
Quotedlseparate OS/2 users from their cash.  Maybe YOU can try to rewrite
history,
Quotedlbut not everyone's going to buy your line of bullshit.

Well, I for one don't know how many Innoval products YOU purchased,...
but I own PRM, JWM, WWW, and NetEXTRA.  One a scale of 1-10, I rated 
their tech-support a "9".  They did dropped the ball a couple of times
and (Linda, sorry if I forget her name) did get flippant with me on at
least one occasion in an email correspondence, but hey, everyone is 
entitled to a bad day!   On the whole, I was very pleased with their 
tech support,... I found them to be knowledable and to project an 
attitude that they truely did care!   Sorry, if you didn't have a 
similar experience, but if the attitude you're projecting in this NG 
is indicative of how you correspond with ppl,.... one doesn't have to 
wonder why!

                        _\\|//_    Pssst!
                       (` o-o ') /
        ---------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------

The Box said, "Requires Windows95 or better."
I use better, much better thank you...
                                         
Warped with OS/2 4.0 at FP 8 and Java 1.1.7A
_______________________________________
M   i   k   e   "D a B u l l"     H   a   r   r   i   s       

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/  
Undernet
#OS/2: Chanop
 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/  

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Dec-99 05:23:01
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:21
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:13:32, letoured@nospam.net wrote:

> In <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, on 12/12/99 
>    at 08:55 PM, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> said:
> 
> >I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
> >installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
> >corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
> 
> I found the same thing. Epfiexts.dll tha tit installs is corrupt.

Or just keep c:\netscape\siutil; on your LIBPATH.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu                     13-Dec-99 05:34:22
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:21
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu

In article <831n2l$r5c@peabody.colorado.edu>,
  bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen) wrote:

> So was it an airbag or a seatbelt that kept you free to spew
> hypocrisy?

Now that was uncalled for. Good God man, have you no sense of decency?

--
-Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |But on the other hand...|
hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |There's 5 more fingers. |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             13-Dec-99 07:32:17
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 03:31:21
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:01:21, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

> 
> What happens (or doesn't) when you leave the "netscape" entry field 
> completely blank?

No difference, on the PII 350 it does nothing, on the P1 133 it works.

> 
> What version of ProNews, by the way?
> 

v1.501
\os2prgs\pronews\pronews.exe                  9-5-98    9:37:05   28918 bytes


> Look for competing versions of PMDDEML.DLL on your LIBPATH, first. 
> That's a big issue with 4.04.
> 

D:\>ff pmddeml.dll
(c) Copyright 1991, 1992 Alexandre Polozoff - find file OS/2 (protected mode)
find file v1.42a:  pmddeml.dll
\features\fisetup\pmddeml.dll                25-9-98    7:32:24   27210 bytes
\os2\dll\pmddeml.dll                          1-9-99   10:00:00   27706 bytes

The dates & sizes of the files on the PC that works are the same as those on
the one that doesn't. BTW \features\fisetup is not in PATH or LIBPATH on
either.

Strange, huh?

-- 
Dave

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From: rlackl1@attglobal.net                             13-Dec-99 02:30:08
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 05:13:27
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: rlackl1@attglobal.net

In <3859ea15.5012307@news.borg.com>, on 12/12/99 
   at 06:36 PM, jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) said:

>What's so exemplary about leaving the OS/2 marketplace? Virtually all
>commercial OS/2 developers have done so by now, and I have no doubt that
>countless other developers have done so too. Hell, a great number of
>endusers have done so too. It's not like leaving behind OS/2 is uncommon.
>Just ask IBM and they'll tell you (in a leaked memo, probably)

Actually, at least a year ago I mentioned that I was an OS/2 user to our
'friendly' IBM (mainframe) CE, and he smirked and said that IBM wasn't
going to continue supporting it.  OS/2 still runs on the IOSP boxes that
control the big IBM boxes, but I don't know for how much longer.

-------
rlackl1@attglobal.net
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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             13-Dec-99 08:34:01
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 05:13:27
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:32:34, dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons) wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:01:21, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)
wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What happens (or doesn't) when you leave the "netscape" entry field 
> > completely blank?
> 
> No difference, on the PII 350 it does nothing, on the P1 133 it works.
> 
> > 
> > What version of ProNews, by the way?
> > 
> 
> v1.50?1
> \os2prgs\pronews\pronews.exe                  9-5-98    9:37:05   28918
bytes

from pn2_15b1.zip				9-5-98		  1564472 bytes

> 
> 
> > Look for competing versions of PMDDEML.DLL on your LIBPATH, first. 
> > That's a big issue with 4.04.
> > 
> 
> D:\>ff pmddeml.dll
> (c) Copyright 1991, 1992 Alexandre Polozoff - find file OS/2 (protected
mode)
> find file v1.42a:  pmddeml.dll
> \features\fisetup\pmddeml.dll                25-9-98    7:32:24   27210
bytes
> \os2\dll\pmddeml.dll                          1-9-99   10:00:00   27706
bytes
> 
> The dates & sizes of the files on the PC that works are the same as those on
> the one that doesn't. BTW \features\fisetup is not in PATH or LIBPATH on
either.
> 
> Strange, huh?
> 
> -- 
> Dave
> 

-- 
Dave

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From: mirage@iae.nl                                     13-Dec-99 09:17:08
  To: afjbell@onlink.net                                13-Dec-99 05:13:27
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

To: Alex Bell <afjbell@onlink.net>
From: Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl>

How did you do it? Where did you placethe .dlls?

Thanks,

Corey
Mirage Media
Nuenen, The Netherlands


Alex Bell wrote:
> 
> On 12 Dec 1999 21:55:30 GMT, rbehm@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> >In <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> writes:
> >>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
> >>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
> >>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
> >>
> I downloaded it, and found that it needed two epfi*.dlls.  But as I had them
> in the PMView directory I was able to complete installation.
> 
> I could send the dlls to you, if they are not copyright.
> 
> Regards, Alex

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From: nemo@union.edu                                    13-Dec-99 03:23:13
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 05:13:27
Subj: Re: RSJ help request ...

From: nemo@union.edu

SOLVED!

I got this problem fixed a couple of days ago and just wanted to report
success but also to ask another question.

The trick for me was as Bob Germer and some others had said, but I hadn't
fully grasped: I had to enter the name the scsi adapter gives very exactly
(empty spaces and all) onto the lockcdr.flt line, and also identify the
device to the cddrv.inf. Once I understood this and did it carefully, I
got the system to identify the cdrw as 'WORM'. I can read and write to the
cdrw fine now although strangely 'format z:' doesn't seem to work.

Here's the question. The cdrw is the only cdrom in the system. How can I
set things up so that I can listen to music on it without having to modify
config.sys and reboot? As things stand now, there is no cdrom icon in the
'Drives' object. The icon for the WORM drive is there after I run
'cdattach z:'.

F.

In <38518215$2$qnivfs$mr2ice@news.logical.net>, on 12/10/99 
   at 05:40 PM, nemo@union.edu said:

>>I suggest you call early because they go to lunch and you can get an
>>answering machine if you wait much later than 5 AM Eastern. That is 11 AM
>>in Germany. By the time they get back from lunch, you are in the high
>>cost call time. Since your problem can probably be solved in less than 10
>>minutes, even at $0.75 per minute the cost will be $7.50 or less later in
>>the morning. Remember, they are gone home by 4 PM Eastern.

>I'm in email correspondence with one of their people about my issues but
>I'm going to take Bob's advice about calling if I can't resolve my
>problems by email. I suspect I have a dumb syntax error - Bob's been
>great in helping me track it down - and a little phone chat may just
>point me to the stray mischievious byte.

>(Bob, I also fear I may have some problem in the Tekram BIOS. We'll see.)


-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    12-Dec-99 09:59:29
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 10:24:20
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

I assume this offer is valid only in the U.S.?  :-(


In article <3851A98F.459420AF@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>Here's some hot news for all you NON-Warp City Members:
>
>FST Inc, has joined in a business partnership arrangement
>with National DialUp Services and InnoVal Systems Solutions,
>to provide a low-cost nationwide ISP service for OS/2 users.
>ISP800, a private brand ISP for corporate customers, is
>inaugurating service for consumers on January 3,  2000.
>
>Extra special prices are available for any OS/2 user who
>pre-registers for  the service by December 30, 1999. In
>addition, three subscribers will be selected, at random,
>from the first 100 OS/2 users who signup. These three
>subscribers will receive free ISP service for one year until
>December 31, 2000.
>
>Highlights of ISP800 service include:
>
>Your choice of:
>
>Unlimited 56K access through an 800 dialup number or unlimited service
>using a local dialup number.
>
>A high performance and high capacity POP3 email mailbox
>
>SMTP outbound email
>
>Toll free 24/7 technical support
>
>Very low cost for OS/2 users. ISP800 may also be used with Linux,
>Mac, and  Windows95/98 client platforms.
>
>No signup fees. You may cancel the service at the end of any month.
>
>Anyone who travels, uses the Internet from more than one permanent
>location, or lives in an area not supported by a local access number,
>is encouraged to use the 800 number. Performance on the 800 number
>is equal to that of local access numbers since all connections are
>automatically and instantly re-directed through a close-proximity
>modem. Access with the 800 number is available anywhere in the
>United States where a dial tone is available. THERE IS NEVER AN
>ADDITIONAL FEE FOR USING THE 800 NUMBER TO ACCESS ISP800.
>Airfone (in plane service) and some hotels do charge access
>fees when you dial an 800 number.
>
>ISP800 Prices:
>
>    Regular service:   $19.95
>    For all OS/2 Users:   $15.95 ***
>
>*** Anyone who pre-registers for the service by December 30, 1999, will
>receive the first year of service for only $11.95 per month. You must be
>an
>OS/2 user to pre-register at this price. Your pre-registration must be
>received by 5:00pm on 12/30/99.
>
>Additional email accounts are $3.95 per month. Limit is four additional
>email accounts.
>
>Please note: There is no direct USENET newsgroup access at this time. If
>
>enough OS/2 users subscribe and there is sufficient interest, ISP800
>will
>add newsgroup access for OS/2 users. Deja (dejanews) and other web-based
>
>newsgroup services may be used in lieu of standard USENET.
>
>For additional information, and to signup for ISP800, please visit
>http://isp800.com/os2. In particular, see the price page and the FAQ
>page.
>For additional information send an email to os2isp@innoval.com.
>
>---------------------
>
>The OS/2 Community should sit up and take notice and support
>this new enterprise!
>
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City (http://warpcity.com)
>"Y2K Special Discount Memberships Close 12/15!)
>

-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au                13-Dec-99 21:09:17
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 10:24:20
Subj: Re: Browser only

From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au (stephen)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:00:40, James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>     I am looking for an HTML rendering program. Currently the only ones
> I have found are part of other programs such as Netscpae Navigator. More
> and more documentation is being written in HTML and I would like to have
> a way of viewing it without having to start Navigator (or whatever) and
> all its overhead just to read a few pages of text. There is no need for
> networking; all the docs are local.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sma at rtd dot com
> Remove ".spam-not" for email

The program I use every day for looking at a variety of files is 
HyperView. I have pasted below the description from the File_ID.DIZ in
my Hyperview subdirectory. My Hyperview files are dated 1996, I don't 
know if there is a later version, or where I got mine from. Is this 
the sort of program that you were looking for?

HyperView 3.4: High performance OS/2 file
viewer with special features for isolating
and extracting information from word
processing, text, and ZIP files.  PM and text
mode editions. Automatically reads Ami Pro,
Clearlook, DeScribe, WordPerfect & WinWord.
Also HTML and INF/HLP
New in 3.4: Colors, INF/HLP support, more.

Regards,

Stephen

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From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au                13-Dec-99 21:09:17
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 10:24:20
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au (stephen)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:53:06, dd@dandrake.com (Dan Drake) wrote:

> But there must be other pieces to the puzzle.  I had this problem when I 
> had a large disk cache enabled, and I don't think it got worse when I set 
> the cache to zero, after installing Smartcache.  
>  
> 

On my system I run Smartcache and some disk cache. I run memory cache 
at zero. As soon as I have any memory cache I have slow downs occur, 
with or without disk cache. I find this a very repeatable phenomena.

Warp 3  fp 37
Netscape 4.61 (with Fortify)
32 mg memory
486 DX100 computer

Regards,

Stephen

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From: bnc@webone.com.au                                 13-Dec-99 21:44:12
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 10:24:20
Subj: Re: AWGET

From: bnc@webone.com.au

In <jORXtcYCR8l4-pn2-mdg5Nh7Qn7hW@SPHERICALBURN.TAMPABAY.RR.COM>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:16:17, Christian Hennecke 
><christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
>
>snip
>> 
>> And some use the referer to determine if you try to download a file from
>> a site on their domain or if somebody linked to it. Since WGet has no
>> referer information you don't get the file. BTW, the same will happen if
>> you use a proxy like Junkbuster that is configured to disguise the
>> referer. So beware.
>
>Except that SmartCache can both log referrer info, and feed fake 
>referrer IDs, and WGET appears to allow itself to operate through a 
>proxy, so the two could be combined to defeat that. Theoretically?
>Buddy

I am currently running A/wget through Smartcache with no problems.
i.e. wget/browser points to my local address, then Smartcache uses the proxy.
I have always got the file I asked for. Have not tried to fiddle with the 
refferer stuff, but that could be fun.
Brian

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 13-Dec-99 10:59:10
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 10:24:20
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

p_fabre@hotmail.com wrote:

>I guess NetLedger will run on any platform with a browser: OS/2, Win
>3.1  but not DOS!

Actually, you can get a graphical browser for DOS.  The name escapes
me right now, but I've seen it in action..very cool :)

Craig

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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    13-Dec-99 12:14:16
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 10:24:20
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:36:15, jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) 
wrote:

> >William Sonna
> >Innoval, in contrast, was exemplary in the manner in which they left 
> >the OS/2 maketplace.
> 
> What's so exemplary about leaving the OS/2 marketplace?

I said "in the manner in which they left".

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From: kmwhite1@magma.ca                                 13-Dec-99 11:54:26
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 10:24:21
Subj: Re: RSJ help request ...

From: "Kyle M. White" <kmwhite1@magma.ca>

You can "attach" a commercial CD-ROM the same
way you do a CD-R or CD-RW.  This will give you
the designated drive letter.



nemo@union.edu wrote:

> SOLVED!
>
> I got this problem fixed a couple of days ago and just wanted to report
> success but also to ask another question.
>
> The trick for me was as Bob Germer and some others had said, but I hadn't
> fully grasped: I had to enter the name the scsi adapter gives very exactly
> (empty spaces and all) onto the lockcdr.flt line, and also identify the
> device to the cddrv.inf. Once I understood this and did it carefully, I
> got the system to identify the cdrw as 'WORM'. I can read and write to the
> cdrw fine now although strangely 'format z:' doesn't seem to work.
>
> Here's the question. The cdrw is the only cdrom in the system. How can I
> set things up so that I can listen to music on it without having to modify
> config.sys and reboot? As things stand now, there is no cdrom icon in the
> 'Drives' object. The icon for the WORM drive is there after I run
> 'cdattach z:'.
>
> F.
>
> In <38518215$2$qnivfs$mr2ice@news.logical.net>, on 12/10/99
>    at 05:40 PM, nemo@union.edu said:
>
> >>I suggest you call early because they go to lunch and you can get an
> >>answering machine if you wait much later than 5 AM Eastern. That is 11 AM
> >>in Germany. By the time they get back from lunch, you are in the high
> >>cost call time. Since your problem can probably be solved in less than 10
> >>minutes, even at $0.75 per minute the cost will be $7.50 or less later in
> >>the morning. Remember, they are gone home by 4 PM Eastern.
>
> >I'm in email correspondence with one of their people about my issues but
> >I'm going to take Bob's advice about calling if I can't resolve my
> >problems by email. I suspect I have a dumb syntax error - Bob's been
> >great in helping me track it down - and a little phone chat may just
> >point me to the stray mischievious byte.
>
> >(Bob, I also fear I may have some problem in the Tekram BIOS. We'll see.)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>       Felmon John Davis
>      davisf@union.edu   |  davisf@capital.net
>      Union College /  Schenectady, NY
>      - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
>      OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
> -----------------------------------------------------------

--
TTFN

Kyle

As you type through the keyboard of life,
always keep one finger on the ESC key.


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                13-Dec-99 12:30:10
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 10:24:21
Subj: Re: RSJ help request ...

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:31, wcs@dumbguy.earthling.net 
(Will Smith) wrote:

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:34:59, SkidMARX@att.net wrote:
  I have to differ with your statement about RSJ being unresponsive...

I agree with you. They were EXTREMELY helpful and responsive
in helping me work out the problems I had. We were emailing 
back and forth every single day for four days straight until
we got it figured out.



________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      13-Dec-99 13:48:07
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:26:29
Subj: Re: TIN for OS/2

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <831sac$qfh$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, jhong@FIVE04.remote.mun.ca (John Hong)
writes:

>  Is there a more recent version of TIN news reader?  The latest
>one at Hobbes is dated 1993.

I see it dated 1995:

tin122.zip       176783 1995/01/30  NNTP version of TIN newsreader

Not a whole lot better, I guess...

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: kitchin@dca.net                                   13-Dec-99 11:20:10
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:27:00
Subj: Re: OS/2 1.1

From: Bruce Kitchin <kitchin@dca.net>

If you get the disks from someone (I don't have mine anymore), there is
one possible problem.  OS/2 prior to version 1.3 was very hardward sensitive.
The IBM versions ran only on IBM computers or very close compatibles.
Mine were from HP since I had an HP computer.  So if you get them and
they give you trouble, you may want to try various computers to see if
there is one that is more compatible.



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From: aboritz@cybernex.net                              13-Dec-99 06:26:02
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:27:00
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)

In article
<o33IbyOQk5WV-pn2-dGmXdSNPI6fU@miharris.connectcorp.net.209.43.130.112>,
miharris@connectcorp.net wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:20:03, aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz) 
>wrote:
>
> 
>Quotedl>I'm pretty sure I got the newsreader for free too.
>Quotedl
>QuotedlOnly if you got your registration key in a warez newsgroup, I'm
afraid.  The
>Quotedlrest of us paid for it, and received no support assistance when it
wouldn't
>Quotedlwork.  Innoval never released a free registration code for that
product.
>
>You're WAY out of line here,... I got a FREE copy of the newsreader 
>(not warez).  It was free to those of us who purchased the GREEN 
>version of PRM v1.0.

You idiot, you paid for BOTH products.  "Free" in that context has a very
different meaning.

> .... then again,... that may have been long 
>before you came on board as an os/2'er!

Not likely.  It was a while before I experimented with PRM, but it was a
version before 2.00.

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  13-Dec-99 15:36:28
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:27:00
Subj: Where is LEXAM?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

The copies of LEXAM and US.DCT that I had been using for years in EPM were 
lost in a crash some time ago, and the backups are corrupt. Worse, I have 
forgotten where I got them. Where can I obtain fresh copies?

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Dec-99 15:25:08
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:27:00
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:32:34, dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons) 
wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:01:21, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)
wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What happens (or doesn't) when you leave the "netscape" entry field 
> > completely blank?
> 
> No difference, on the PII 350 it does nothing, on the P1 133 it works.

Compare your LIBPATH (and maybe your PATH) statements for differences,
then.

Then, that failing to reveal all, maybe reinstall one or both 
Netscapes packages from scratch?

It doesn't sound like a ProNews problem.


> (c) Copyright 1991, 1992 Alexandre Polozoff - find file OS/2 (protected
mode)
> find file v1.42a:  pmddeml.dll
> \features\fisetup\pmddeml.dll                25-9-98    7:32:24   27210
bytes
> \os2\dll\pmddeml.dll                          1-9-99   10:00:00   27706
bytes
> 
> The dates & sizes of the files on the PC that works are the same as those on
> the one that doesn't. BTW \features\fisetup is not in PATH or LIBPATH on
either.

That's normal, I think. So I doubt that it's related to the problem.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be                  13-Dec-99 16:58:02
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:27:00
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: "Luc Van Bogaert" <luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be>

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 01:10:54 +0100, Christian Hennecke wrote:

>Alex Bell schrieb:
>> I downloaded it, and found that it needed two epfi*.dlls.  But as I had
them
>> in the PMView directory I was able to complete installation.
>> 
>> I could send the dlls to you, if they are not copyright.
>
>Should be no problem, since they belong to the IBM software installer
>AFAIK.

Those dll's appear to be present in several locations on my drive (PMView,
Netscpe, ...) So where do 
we have to place those dll's when installing Embellish? I've tried copying
them but to no avail...


Luc Van Bogaert

  Vice President  - Warpstock
    Visit www.warpstock.org for the most important OS/2 event of the year


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From: rogprov@aol.com                                   13-Dec-99 16:08:13
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:27:00
Subj: Embellish 

From: rogprov@aol.com (Rogprov)

In article <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> writes:

>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
>
>

I had this problem and found a way around it.

I already had the demo version - EMBO202B.ZIP which I extracted into a
directory
I then extracted the files from the free non-crippled version - EMBOS2.ZIP and
copied over to the demo EMB.EX_ then ran the install from the modified demo
and
all worked fine. 

So, use the EMB.EX_ (15563) to replace the EMB.EX_ (22914) and run the demo
install.

Regards
Roger Provins
Gloucester


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                13-Dec-99 16:20:18
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:27:00
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:32:36, Tim Martin 
<OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

> Statements such as this confirm to all the whining ass/fool you continually
> demonstrate yourself to be.

Not gonna play this game Marty.  Your personal desire
to start flame wars with those you have a personal
hatred for are simply not worth the time of day.

When I realized that Marty had the logical capability of a 
flea, I stopped paying attention to his posts altogether. 
The guy lives and breathes to get on people's nerves - like 
you say, it's not worth the time of day.

Followups trimmed to apps - why inflict Marty on the rest of
the newsgroups.


________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: kitchin@dca.net                                   13-Dec-99 11:24:07
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 14:27:00
Subj: Re: Back Again/2000

From: Bruce Kitchin <kitchin@dca.net>

I have just ordered the product and haven't tried the evaluation
copy so I'm not sure how important HotStart will be versus
regular backup.  I do know that networked drives support is very
important for me.  I have two computers networked together and
a tape only on one of them.  Works very well with BA/2 and I hope
with BA/2000

Brad Benson wrote:

> madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel) wrote:
>  - snip -
> ]  The new wizard is kind of lame, doesn't
> ] display network drives, but you can still back those up using a SET or
> ] by doing a regular backup.
>
> Do you feel that the ability to select network drives from the
> HotStart would be a big improvement?  It's easy enough to do; if
> there's demand for it, that's a change I can easily push through.
>

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From: 1979j@usa.net                                     13-Dec-99 17:57:00
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:10
Subj: Re: OS/2 1.1

From: Nino <1979j@usa.net>


Nino ha scritto:

> Hello All,
>
> my name's Nino and I am a student at the 'La Sapienza' university in
> Rome.
> I am preparing a research on the history of PC for my next exam. OS/2
> have
> a huge importance for the IBM PC compatible platform, I'd like to quote
> it
> largely, but unfortunately I miss what maybe is the most important
> version: OS/2 1.1, the first operating system for PC with a GUI, the
> first OS/2 with Presentation Manager.
>
> I would like to write an original article on it and take some
> screenshots of OS/2 1.1 with my camera.
>
> If someone please can supply me that version (which is, I suppose, about
> 4 or 5 5.25 disks) I will be very grateful; I really want my teachers
> give OS/2 the importance and the respect that it deserves. Thanks in
> advance
>
> I am sorry for any off-topic generated but I really need your help.
>
> Best regards,
> Nino Solazzo
>
> P.S. Please, answer me only if you have the 1.1 version. I am not a
> collector so I am not interested in any other 1.x versions. Thanks
> again.

If someone is so generous to give me only the first, the installation
disk of OS/2 1.1 and the label names to the remaining disks It would be
really appreciated. Please help me, I haven't found a working OS/2 1.1 yet.
I need only the disk image of the install disk and the label names. If you
have it, please contact me at 1979j@usa.net

Thanks

Nino

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Dec-99 19:02:03
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:10
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:17:17, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> wrote:

> How did you do it? Where did you placethe .dlls?

If you have Netscape 4.61 installed, the most current builds of all of
the DLLs that EPFINST needs are in the \NETSCAPE\SIUTIL directory. 
Just add "netscape\siutil;" to the end of your LIBPATH, and reboot, 
and you'll never have this kind of hitch again.


> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Corey
> Mirage Media
> Nuenen, The Netherlands
> 
> 
> Alex Bell wrote:
> > 
> > On 12 Dec 1999 21:55:30 GMT, rbehm@ibm.net wrote:
> > 
> > >In <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> writes:
> > >>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
> > >>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
> > >>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
> > >>
> > I downloaded it, and found that it needed two epfi*.dlls.  But as I had
them
> > in the PMView directory I was able to complete installation.
> > 
> > I could send the dlls to you, if they are not copyright.
> > 
> > Regards, Alex

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Dec-99 19:12:10
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:58:05, "Luc Van Bogaert" 
<luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 01:10:54 +0100, Christian Hennecke wrote:
> 
> >Alex Bell schrieb:
> >> I downloaded it, and found that it needed two epfi*.dlls.  But as I had
them
> >> in the PMView directory I was able to complete installation.
> >> 
> >> I could send the dlls to you, if they are not copyright.
> >
> >Should be no problem, since they belong to the IBM software installer
> >AFAIK.
> 
> Those dll's appear to be present in several locations on my drive (PMView,
Netscpe, ...) So where do 
> we have to place those dll's when installing Embellish? I've tried copying
them but to no avail...

They can be on your LIBPATH, and must be if you don't have the entry 
"." in your LIBPATH.

As I've said before, putting \NETSCAPE\SIUTIL on your LIBPATH will 
solve this problem.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be                  13-Dec-99 20:19:27
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: "Luc Van Bogaert" <luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be>

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:12:20 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

>As I've said before, putting \NETSCAPE\SIUTIL on your LIBPATH will 
>solve this problem.

You are right, it solved the problem. Thanks. I was just to eager to get this
thing installed. Too bad that 
this is yet another OS/2 application gone ...

I wonder how far the Netlabs have made progress with Gimp/2...


Luc Van Bogaert

  Vice President  - Warpstock
    Visit www.warpstock.org for the most important OS/2 event of the year


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Dec-99 19:46:29
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Netsc. 4.61 quits at 14Mb download

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:01:10, "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" 
<tgal@pobox.com> wrote:

> My cordial thanks for your thorough explanation.  Alas, the 
> README files in the fixpaks often are not clear about the 
> upgrade paths.  Here's what I have done on my Warp-4 sys.:
> 
> --Applied fixpaks up to 8
> --Applied MPTN-8610
> --Applied MPTN-8620 > this made TCP/IP STACK & LAPS v5.50,
>        and its protocol drivers 6.2 as INETVER reports them.
> --Applied Fixpak-12
> --Installed Java 1.1.8
> 
> After the dust settled, IAK and TCP/IP APPS. (not the stack)
> are still UN_00000 v4.00
> 
> Should I apply now UN_980?  Will it downgrade anything?
> 

There is a section in the UN00980.INF file that addresses these 
questions. One of the comments is that the 8610 and 8620 fixes should 
NOT be installed on anything except an SMP (Symetrical MultiProcessor)
warp server system, OR on TCP/IP v4.1 (which you don't list, but may 
have installed). As for downleveling parts, yes it will, under certain
conditions, but the install instructions are very clear about what to 
do about that.

The readme says nothing, except to see the INF file. The INF file, is 
very clear (IMO) about your questions (just click on the Introduction,
it is all on the first page).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Dec-99 19:46:26
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 01:55:55, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> wrote:

> I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
> installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
> corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
>  
> Corey
> Mirage Media
> Nuenen, The Netherlands 
>  

Installed last night. No problems, so far. Perhaps, you did not get a 
complete download???

I don't really have a use for this program, but now that it is free, I
thought I might as well have a look. It does look rather interesting, 
but I still don't have a real use for this program. 

Too bad these companies can't make a go of it, but one does need to 
produce a product that does have  a lot of users. I think that there 
were too many picture manipulation programs (mostly VERY good), but 
there is a limited market for such a program (even in the WinXX 
market). Perhaps, whatever is left will now have a chance, or (more 
likely), they will go down too, since everybody will use one of the 
free programs.

On the other hand, there is a high demand for a true OS/2 internet 
browser (I don't count WebEx, because it is now ancient, and not 
suitable for use with a LOT of web sites). The Netscape ports, while 
mostly functional, don't even come close to exploiting the power of 
OS/2, and most  (all???) of the rest don't have 128 bit encryption (US
style). I am looking forward to the Mozilla, and the Opera, browsers, 
but I suspect that both will be much the same as Netscape-> just 
another inadequate windows port. I just hope that they will have 128 
bit encryption, so I will have another choice. I have tried 
StarOffice. It works pretty good, and does have 128 bit encryption, 
but that does not work with my bank, so it has dropped out of the 
running because of that.

Just my C$.03 ($.02 US)...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Dec-99 19:47:00
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:09:34, stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au 
(stephen) wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:53:06, dd@dandrake.com (Dan Drake) wrote:
> 
> > But there must be other pieces to the puzzle.  I had this problem when I 
> > had a large disk cache enabled, and I don't think it got worse when I set 
> > the cache to zero, after installing Smartcache.  
> >  
> > 
> 
> On my system I run Smartcache and some disk cache. I run memory cache 
> at zero. As soon as I have any memory cache I have slow downs occur, 
> with or without disk cache. I find this a very repeatable phenomena.
> 
> Warp 3  fp 37
> Netscape 4.61 (with Fortify)
> 32 mg memory
> 486 DX100 computer
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stephen

There is a known problem when you run with either memory, or disk 
cache, but not both, enabled. The recommendation is to either enable 
both, or disable both. I prefer the later (with SmartCache), because 
then I don't need to wait for Netscape to clean up after itself, when 
I quit the program.

I have also picked up the priority fix (it is posted at:
http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html
along with a LOT of other good information), which seems to make 
Netscape get along better with other things (like Smartcache, AWGET, 
and WGET)

I also use the AWGET/WGET combination
for most download operations (some web sites just don't want to give 
you the URL, and others need passwords etc. so it doesn't work for 
everything).
AWGET is at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7567/software/english/ind
ex.html
and WGET is at HOBBES:
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/

THEN, there is the FixPack 12 PMMERGE.DLL Problem. Get PMR00052.ZIP, 
from HOBBES, if you are at FP12 (fixes other things as well).

And, finally, there is the TCP/IP fixes. The new TCP/IP fix (UN_980) 
seems to fix (or at least, significantly improve) the downloading 
problem (with Netscape). Check out:
http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
for information on ALL of the updates for your system.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      13-Dec-99 18:22:24
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Where is LEXAM?

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-uMSr8ZsrI84S@POBLANO>, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)
writes:

>The copies of LEXAM and US.DCT that I had been using for years in EPM were 
>lost in a crash some time ago, and the backups are corrupt. Worse, I have 
>forgotten where I got them. Where can I obtain fresh copies?

LEXAM.DLL and US.DIC are part of the IBMWORKS package.  BTW, you 
can also use the IBMWORKS foreign language dictionaries with 
EPM...

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au                14-Dec-99 07:24:12
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au (stephen)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:47:01, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
Bissett) wrote:

> > On my system I run Smartcache and some disk cache. I run memory cache 
> > at zero. As soon as I have any memory cache I have slow downs occur, 
> > with or without disk cache. I find this a very repeatable phenomena.
> > 
> > Warp 3  fp 37
> > Netscape 4.61 (with Fortify)
> > 32 mg memory
> > 486 DX100 computer
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Stephen
>  
> There is a known problem when you run with either memory, or disk 
> cache, but not both, enabled. The recommendation is to either enable 
> both, or disable both.   
> 

That may be a known problem for others.

The point that I was making was that the absolutely repeatable 
phenomena that I find on my system is that if I have any memory cache,
I have a slow-down-to-a-crawl problem. This occurs WHETHER OR NOT I 
have any disk cache.

It is far less of a problem, although not totally gone, when 
preferences are set to not automatically download images. Thus for one
secure site I visit where I need some memory cache to be able to print
information I have a different profile set up that has memory cache as
well as disk cache, and automatically download images turned off. This
reduces but does not eliminate the problem for me.

My "normal" profile uses Smart Cache and SOME disk cache and NO memory
cache and it runs very quickly and well.

>I have also picked up the priority fix (it is posted at:
>http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html
>along with a LOT of other good information), which seems to make 
>Netscape get along better with other things (like Smartcache, AWGET, 
>and WGET)

Thanks for this info - I'll have a look at it.

Regards,

Stephen

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From: jnichols@tcia.net                                 13-Dec-99 15:30:11
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Embellish 

From: jnichols@tcia.net

In <19991213110827.18940.00000457@ngol03.aol.com>, on 12/13/99 
   at 04:08 PM, rogprov@aol.com (Rogprov) said:

>In article <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl>
>writes:

>>I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
>>installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
>>corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>
>>

>I had this problem and found a way around it.

>I already had the demo version - EMBO202B.ZIP which I extracted into a
>directory
>I then extracted the files from the free non-crippled version -
>EMBOS2.ZIP and copied over to the demo EMB.EX_ then ran the install from
>the modified demo and all worked fine. 

All you have to replace is one file from older files.
INSTALL.IN_   610,210  and it install just fine.

Later,
Nick

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From: Thomas.Kneisel@t-online.de                        13-Dec-99 21:59:02
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: Xcopy with re-start options

From: Thomas Kneisel <Thomas.Kneisel@t-online.de>


John Poltorak schrieb:

> Has anyone ever come across a utility which is equivalent to XCOPY but
> with option to do a re-start from a point of failure?
>

In a first step you can use the "archive"-attribute to mark all files
which were actually copied by xcopy (option /M). After a failure, "xcopy
/A" should copy only those files which were not copied in the first step.

Thomas Kneisel

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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              13-Dec-99 21:01:27
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Microphone

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

Can someone tell me a good way to check out a microphone in OS2 Warp
4.0.  I'm trying to confirm that my mike is working working so I'd
like to be able to save my coice input to a file and then play it back
Thanks,
Willard.


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From: nemo@union.edu                                    13-Dec-99 16:02:11
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 17:04:11
Subj: Re: RSJ help request ...

From: nemo@union.edu

In <3854DE89.9E9438D7@magma.ca>, on 12/13/99 
   at 11:54 AM, "Kyle M. White" <kmwhite1@magma.ca> said:


>You can "attach" a commercial CD-ROM the same
>way you do a CD-R or CD-RW.  This will give you
>the designated drive letter.

My question was a bit different but I found the answer. To play cd's
(assuming the one cdrom you have is the cdrw), you open the cdrecorder app
in rsj and select tracks. You can't have 'cdattach' running, however, in
order to do this.

A bit clunky but ok.

F.


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      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  13-Dec-99 21:14:04
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 19:44:00
Subj: Re: Where is LEXAM?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:22:48, nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John 
Thompson) wrote:

> In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-uMSr8ZsrI84S@POBLANO>, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)
writes:
> 
> >The copies of LEXAM and US.DCT that I had been using for years in EPM were 
> >lost in a crash some time ago, and the backups are corrupt. Worse, I have 
> >forgotten where I got them. Where can I obtain fresh copies?
> 
> LEXAM.DLL and US.DIC are part of the IBMWORKS package.  BTW, you 
> can also use the IBMWORKS foreign language dictionaries with 
> EPM...

Not so. I did look in the BonusPak installation on the system before I 
posted the query; neither file is present. 

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.


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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    13-Dec-99 22:19:05
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 19:44:00
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <8320hk$h7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
 <hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu> wrote:
>In article <831n2l$r5c@peabody.colorado.edu>,
>  bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen) wrote:
>
>> So was it an airbag or a seatbelt that kept you free to spew
>> hypocrisy?
>
>Now that was uncalled for. Good God man, have you no sense of decency?

Tim told blatant lies about me, accused me of illegal activities that
are punishable by jail time, and didn't have a shred of proof.  I
actually had to have a meeting with my boss and the abuse person over his
lies, of course I quickly showed them what an ass he was and they laughed 
it off but he still accused me of illegal activity. I have no sympathy
for him, I consider his accident karma coming back at him.

>
>--
>-Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |But on the other hand...|
>hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |There's 5 more fingers. |
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.


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From: Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com                      13-Dec-99 22:28:26
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 19:44:00
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com (Dana Hartsock)

Doug,
 
Guess I've been living under a log... never heard of 
Smartcache but I think I'll go looking for it.
Any gotchas I should know about with it?

Dana

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From: chris@os2ezine.com                                13-Dec-99 22:55:09
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 19:44:00
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: chris@os2ezine.com (Chris Wenham)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:19:54, "Luc Van Bogaert" 
<luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be> wrote:

> I wonder how far the Netlabs have made progress with Gimp/2...

 GIMP as ported to OS/2 is at version 1.1.11, which is about two minor
revisions behind the original version (1.1.13). 
 
 It runs usably well on OS/2, but there are problems with stability 
that may be inherited from the original.
 The documentation for it is dodgy, too. The help module hasn't been 
ported yet and the manual updates are out-of-synch with the 
development versions. This will make it hard to understand how to use 
it. 
 I've also yet to see a consistant central download source for the 
OS/2 port. Netlabs hasn't been updated with any version beyond 1.0 and
the most recent place I had to go for version 1.1.11 was at a GNOME 
porting project page (http://birdy.hpage.net/).

 GIMP is really the only piece of non-trivial graphics software of any
kind available to OS/2 that is still being maintained. But it wasn't 
made for OS/2, it doesn't take advantage of anything unique about 
OS/2, and it doesn't even run on the OS/2 desktop.

Regards,

Chris Wenham - editor@os2ezine.com
The views expressed are mine.

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From: danielh@crosslink.net                             13-Dec-99 17:49:22
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 19:44:00
Subj: Re: Xcopy with re-start options

From: danielh@crosslink.net

>John Poltorak schrieb:

>> Has anyone ever come across a utility which is equivalent to XCOPY but
>> with option to do a re-start from a point of failure?

You can try the CopyDir utility that's part of the DIRTOOLS package
(http://www.srehttp.org/apps/dirtools/ )

CopyDir will copy a directory tree, with several options. One of these options 
is
to "skip" bad files -- thus, one bad file (say, due to a bad sector on a
drive) does
not stop the process. So you can think of it as "automatically" restarting
(that is, errors
don't kill it).


BTW: with some minor provisos, it's free.

 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Daniel Hellerstein
danielh@crosslink.net
http://www.srehttp.org
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From: dboultr@spamfree.erols.com                        13-Dec-99 23:05:05
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 21:12:03
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: dboultr@spamfree.erols.com

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:26:05, aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz) 
wrote:

> You idiot, you paid for BOTH products.  "Free" in that context has a very
> different meaning.

Gosh, Alan, I'm certainly impressed with your economic analysis.

Now, if we all chipped in and bought you a copy of Win98, would you 
just go away? 

Doug Boulter

To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious spam traps from the address

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From: jnichols@tcia.net                                 13-Dec-99 18:58:09
  To: All                                               13-Dec-99 21:12:03
Subj: Re: Microphone

From: jnichols@tcia.net

In <s5anm2qp5342@corp.supernews.com>, on 12/13/99 
   at 09:01 PM, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) said:

>Can someone tell me a good way to check out a microphone in OS2 Warp 4.0. 
>I'm trying to confirm that my mike is working working so I'd like to be
>able to save my coice input to a file and then play it back Thanks,
>Willard.

OS/2 WarpCenter, Programs, VoiceType, Check Installation.

Later,
Nick

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From: gzimmer@attglobal.net                             14-Dec-99 02:45:03
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:05
Subj: Help with Warp 3 and NS 4.61 Email timestamp

From: gzimmer@attglobal.net

In upgrading from NS 4.04, to 4.61, I've noticed that my email timestamp
only gives DAY/time, ie, Sat, 00.12, rather than the full date, ie,
XX/XX/19XX,
or 07/04/1999, as per messages retrieved under NS 4.04.

I've read the 'readme.txt' where they tell you to use the TZ variable, 
('view cmdref tz'), in case you have email date problems. However the
Warp 3 command reference, has no such variable. So what is the syntax
of this TZ (timezone) SET command that should be put in Config.sys? 

Running under Warp 3, FP  39.

Gail Zimmerman
gzimmer@ibm.net

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From: possum@road.kill                                  13-Dec-99 21:48:00
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:05
Subj: Re: Newsgroup offline

From: possum@road.kill (Mike Trettel)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:10:59 -0800, Wm D Loughman <wdlkhl@attglobal.net>
wrote:
>I've tried Communicator 4.61 to download newsgroups for offline
>reading.  Well, it's sloooow.  But "save..." is fast.  Posting messages
>is fast.
>
>I _use_ 'SLRN" to read newsgroups off-line, 'cause downloads are pretty
>fast.
>But saving messages to file is a convoluted process ...for me.  ;-> 
>_Posting_ messages seems to be unreliable.  Uh, doesn't work???
>
>How to get Communicator to go faster?  _OR_  How to get SLRN to 'post'??
>

In my humble opinion the best way to do offline newsreading with OS/2 is to 
use the Changi newsserver available at http://www.egnite.com.  Once set
up properly it doesn't matter what newsreader you're using-since you're
basically running your very own NNTP newsserver you can connect to it
with any NNTP type newsreader, offline or not.  Reading and posting
then becomes extremely fast, if you set it up to do unattended
downloads and postings (not hard to do).  It's pretty neat to open a
newsgroup with 3K unread articles and watch SLRN build the article tree
in 5 seconds or so :-) !  Changi does pretty good filtering too.  Check it
out.
>
>WD "Bill" Loughman       "The problem with the gene pool: no lifeguard."
>Berkeley, California  USA
>wdlkhl@attglobal.net


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System uptime is 0 days 08:07 hours (en).

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From: possum@road.kill                                  13-Dec-99 21:55:13
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:05
Subj: Re: TIN for OS/2

From: possum@road.kill (Mike Trettel)

On 13 Dec 1999 04:22:36 GMT, John Hong <jhong@FIVE04.remote.mun.ca> wrote:
>  Is there a more recent version of TIN news reader?  The latest
>one at Hobbes is dated 1993.
>

I've never came across a more recent version, myself.  Why don't you
check out SLRN, also at Hobbes?  Does everything TIN does, is a Unix
port, has excellent kill files and score files, is threaded and what
not, and is free.

-- 
Mike Trettel		trettel (shift 2) fred (small dot) net

Death to spammers, and so forth.  Fix the reply line to mail me.  Sorry.

System uptime is 0 days 08:18 hours (en).

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               13-Dec-99 20:51:12
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:05
Subj: Re: Microphone

From: letoured@nospam.net

The states game also works as a test.


>>Can someone tell me a good way to check out a microphone in OS2 Warp 4.0. 
>>I'm trying to confirm that my mike is working working so I'd like to be
>>able to save my coice input to a file and then play it back Thanks,
>>Willard.

>OS/2 WarpCenter, Programs, VoiceType, Check Installation.

>Later,
>Nick


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              14-Dec-99 02:38:05
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:05
Subj: Quicken 98 - again <sigh>

From: alan@min.net.notspam

Okay, this is a long story, but what else could we expect?  My computer
had some hardware troubles, and was down for two weeks.  Meanwhile, Intuit
sent me the updated for Y2K Quicken98 Deluxe Revision 4 CD I'd ordered
from the website.  Once my computer was fixed, I decided to uninstall
Q98R1 before installing R4, as the instructions said.  No go - it wouldn't
uninstall.

So, I erased everything that had anything to do with Quicken - the
directory structure, the ini files for the individual programs, the
relevant portions of the win.ini and system.ini files, and group of icons
from the program manager.

I then installed R4 from the new CD.  That seemed to go well, but
installation then failed when it got to Internet Explorer.  The previous
version from the R1 install is still on the system, so I really don't need
to upgrade that if there's a way for R4 to recognize the existent
Iexplorer.

Now, I'm back to being unable to connect to the internet from Quicken. 
When I try, I get the winsock error "Inet not running."  It's running,
because I'm fetching mail via my cable modem while trying to connect with
quicken.  Anything simple I need to change in setup somewhere?

Note - I'm running win-os/2 under Warp 4, and things were finally
connecting and working fine until I had to make my Quicken Y2K ready with
Revision 4.  I have SET ETC=C:\MPTN\ETC in config.sys, and SET ETC
=F:\TCPIP\DOS\ETC in autoexec.batt

Thanks again for help.

Alan







Alan


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From: gzimmer@attglobal.net                             14-Dec-99 03:36:27
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:05
Subj: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: gzimmer@attglobal.net

I happened to be cleaning out a cabinet full of old OS/2 resources.  For me
it was a sense of history and sadness.  Innoval and Joe View/Embellish
were some of the early pioneers. There, from my first IBM catalogue, onto
my first Indelible Blue catalogue, were these firms. My hat goes off to them
for exiting extremely gracefully. They gave up their commercial software
for free when they finally left the OS/2 realm. 

It is extremely rare to see this kind of spirit in the modern day computing
world. Giving back to a community where they ultimately failed to 'make a
buck', and yet still giving back to that very community, even in their demise.
 
To me it shows a love and a commitment to a certain way of computing,
that I hope will never die. 

Gail Zimmerman
gzimmer@ibm.net

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               13-Dec-99 21:02:18
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:05
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Jason Bowen wrote:

> >Now that was uncalled for. Good God man, have you no sense of decency?
>
> Tim told blatant lies about me, accused me of illegal activities that
> are punishable by jail time, and didn't have a shred of proof.  I
> actually had to have a meeting with my boss and the abuse person over his
> lies, of course I quickly showed them what an ass he was and they laughed
> it off but he still accused me of illegal activity. I have no sympathy
> for him, I consider his accident karma coming back at him.

Oh pah-tui!  You don't use OS/2.  You sit in the OS/2 newsgroups
and stalk and harass me, an OS/2 advocate.  Everytime I post
you attack followed by your never-ending whine AND you do it
all using your college's subsidized 'Net access, i.e., colorado.edu.

That's reason enough for your government subsidized Administrator
to reel you in for a little discussion.  Colorado officials are pretty leery
these days of errant students.  Keep it up as you are doing now -for
no valid reason other than your petty animosity toward me for filing
the complaint in the first place -and they'll call you in again.  Eventually
they will be required -by law- -and to cover their own cans- to yank your
colorado.edu access.  You'll then have an opportunity to try and retain
an account with a private I'Net provider.  Hint:  they'll put up with your
antics for about two minutes.

You've heard of roadrage?  You've got a case of netrage.  Get a grip.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"Y2K Discount for 1999 Members Ends 1/215!)



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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               13-Dec-99 22:03:20
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

Serenity Systems markets a Managed Client(r) product which provides
significant benefits to business users. We selected OS/2 as our
desktop client for many reasons and one is the broad range of
application support provided.

However, we continue to receive requests to support Win32
applications. Often this request is in addition to the requirement to
run Presentation Manager or WorkPlace Shell applications, which are
frequently Line of Business Applications.

After reviewing the product solutions available, we determined that
the best response to this requirement would be a hardware
modification to the workstation, enabling the system to support a
host operating system and guest operating system. Release 1 of the
product is anticipated to support an OS/2 host and a Windows guest.
The OS/2 support includes WorkSpace on Demand and OS/2 V4 (Merlin)
with support for a Managed Client, run either as a diskless RPL
client or as a traditional "fat" client.

We have put an overview of this project on our web site
(http://www.Serenity-Systems.com/), with an associated questionnaire
which will help us through our product planning. Accessing the
document requires that you have a valid log-on for the site. You can
request a log on from Info@Serenity-Systems.com. Once you log on to
the site, click on the Project Concorde image and, if it is
appropriate, complete the questionnaire.




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From: miharris@connectcorp.net                          14-Dec-99 06:45:08
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: miharris@connectcorp.net

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:26:05, aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz) 
wrote:
 
QuotedlYou idiot, you paid for BOTH products.  "Free" in that context has a
very
Quotedldifferent meaning.

Hmmm, let me get this right,.... if I purchase a product for X dollars
and the company says that if I make said purchase BEFORE Y date they 
would give me Z product,... but if I purchased AFTER Y date then I 
would have to pay ($$$$) for Z product.  I think most ppl would agree 
with my interpretation of "free"  I'm sure you'd take a car dealer up 
on THAT offer if it were made to you,... but then again since you're 
the "smarter" one, you'd probably say naaah,  let the "idot" purchase 
it, since .....("Free" in that context has a very different meaning.) 
to you! ;^)
 

                        _\\|//_    Pssst!
                       (` o-o ') /
        ---------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------

The Box said, "Requires Windows95 or better."
I use better, much better thank you...
                                         
Warped with OS/2 4.0 at FP 8 and Java 1.1.7A
_______________________________________
M   i   k   e   "D a B u l l"     H   a   r   r   i   s       

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/  
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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    14-Dec-99 05:17:10
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <3855CF6B.64A2719A@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>Jason Bowen wrote:
>
>> >Now that was uncalled for. Good God man, have you no sense of decency?
>>
>> Tim told blatant lies about me, accused me of illegal activities that
>> are punishable by jail time, and didn't have a shred of proof.  I
>> actually had to have a meeting with my boss and the abuse person over his
>> lies, of course I quickly showed them what an ass he was and they laughed
>> it off but he still accused me of illegal activity. I have no sympathy
>> for him, I consider his accident karma coming back at him.
>
>Oh pah-tui!  You don't use OS/2.  You sit in the OS/2 newsgroups
>and stalk and harass me, an OS/2 advocate.  Everytime I post
>you attack followed by your never-ending whine AND you do it
>all using your college's subsidized 'Net access, i.e., colorado.edu.

You are so crazy with your persecution.  The accident was karma for sure.
My dislike of you has nothing to do with OS/2, it has to do with you being
a jerk.

>
>That's reason enough for your government subsidized Administrator
>to reel you in for a little discussion.  Colorado officials are pretty leery
>these days of errant students.  Keep it up as you are doing now -for
>no valid reason other than your petty animosity toward me for filing
>the complaint in the first place -and they'll call you in again.  Eventually
>they will be required -by law- -and to cover their own cans- to yank your
>colorado.edu access.  You'll then have an opportunity to try and retain
>an account with a private I'Net provider.  Hint:  they'll put up with your
>antics for about two minutes.

You're so compeltely full of crap.  Like I said the impact wasn't nearly
hard enough.  You never had anything on me and never will.  You keep
spouting your crazy persecution talk.  Report me Tim, you will get laughed
at again.  REPORT ME!!!!! DO IT!!!!  YOU'RE ALL TALK!

>

>You've heard of roadrage?  You've got a case of netrage.  Get a grip.

You're the one spouting the persecution complex, you need to get the grip.
You're the one convinced that your use of an OS is the reason people think
you are a nut.  Are you really convinced that people don't like you
because you use OS/2?

>
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City
>http://warpcity.com
>"Y2K Discount for 1999 Members Ends 1/215!)
>
>
>


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          14-Dec-99 05:28:17
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: Help with Warp 3 and NS 4.61 Email timestamp

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:45:07, gzimmer@attglobal.net wrote:

> In upgrading from NS 4.04, to 4.61, I've noticed that my email timestamp
> only gives DAY/time, ie, Sat, 00.12, rather than the full date, ie,
XX/XX/19XX,
> or 07/04/1999, as per messages retrieved under NS 4.04.
> 
> I've read the 'readme.txt' where they tell you to use the TZ variable, 
> ('view cmdref tz'), in case you have email date problems. However the
> Warp 3 command reference, has no such variable. So what is the syntax
> of this TZ (timezone) SET command that should be put in Config.sys? 

For instance, for the Eastern (US) TZ:

SET TZ=EST5EDT


Borrowed from Kai Evers' ConfigMaint/2, available at:

www1.stuttgart.netsurf.de/~kevers/warp_eng.html (I think)

here's their description of this variable.
-------------------------------------------
SET TZ=MEZ-1 MSZ,3,-1,0,3600,10,-1,0,3600,3600

 Sets the Timezone correctly for Germany with daylight savings

 The complete variable is: SET TZ=SSS[+|-]nDDD[,sm,sw,sd,st,em,ew,
 ed,et,shift]

 SSS   Standardtimezonedescriptor, default EST
       positive values are west of 0 degree length
       negative values are east of 0 degree length

 n     Difference to Greenwich Mean Time in Hours, default 5

 DDD   Daylightsavingsdescriptor, default EDT

 sm    Month in which Summer Time starts, default 4

 sw    Week in which Summer Time starts, default 1
       positive values are counted from the beginning
       negative values are counted from the end of the month

 sd    Day at which Summer Time starts, default 0
       0 is Sunday ( 1 Monday ...) if the week is
       unequal zero (0), when the week is zero
       it counts the day of the month (1 to 31).

 st    Time of Summer Time start in seconds, default 3600

 em    Month in which Summer Time ends, default 10

 ew    Week in which Summer Time ends, default -1
       see sw for description

 ed    Day at which Summer Time end, default 0
       see sd for description

 et    Time of Summer Time end in seconds, default is 7200
 
 shift Size of the Time shift in seconds, default 3600

 <<=TIP=>> As the correct setting of the TZ Parameters is somewhat 
 delicate use the FREE-tool TZCALC by Norbert Dey (at the moment
 tzcalc03.zip) 

 <<=TIP=>> If you need a clock showing the time in other countries
 and cities than yours, try the free Worldclock by Goran Ivankovics
 http://members.tripod.com/~Goran_Ivankovic/

--------------------------------
-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               13-Dec-99 21:32:12
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Jason Bowen wrote:

> >You've heard of roadrage?  You've got a case of netrage.  Get a grip.
>
> You're the one spouting the persecution complex, you need to get the grip.
> You're the one convinced that your use of an OS is the reason people think
> you are a nut.  Are you really convinced that people don't like you
> because you use OS/2?
>

Please, explain to all of us why it is you -A NON OS/2 USER- has
lived, harassed and attacked OS/2 users in this newsgroup for
several years now.  Don't try turning it around and whining that
'it's everybody else - it's not me, the problem is you' because
that claim stinks as bad as your antics.

You simply will not give up.  You won't stop.  You stalk,
you harass, you whine again and again.  Then someone
complains to your government subsidized I'Net administrator
and you get called on the carpet for the antics.  Do you stop?
NO!  GOOD GOD NO!  By God if it takes from now until
doomsday you'll ride that OS/2 Newsgroup information
highway and ride with NetRAGE on the hood!

Drive on dude.  Right over the nearest OS/2 cliff.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"Y2K Discount for 1999 Members Ends 1/215!)



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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    14-Dec-99 06:06:29
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <3855D669.7AADAEE0@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>Jason Bowen wrote:
>
>> >You've heard of roadrage?  You've got a case of netrage.  Get a grip.
>>
>> You're the one spouting the persecution complex, you need to get the grip.
>> You're the one convinced that your use of an OS is the reason people think
>> you are a nut.  Are you really convinced that people don't like you
>> because you use OS/2?
>>
>
>Please, explain to all of us why it is you -A NON OS/2 USER- has
>lived, harassed and attacked OS/2 users in this newsgroup for
>several years now.  Don't try turning it around and whining that
>'it's everybody else - it's not me, the problem is you' because
>that claim stinks as bad as your antics.

No you are convinced that people dislike you because of your use of an OS.
Just because this happens in an OS/2 newsgroup doen't mean it is about
OS/2.  You are too stupid to realize that.  I dislike you because you lie
and laughed when I heard that you got hurt.  You don't deserve pity,
somebody that will lie and hate over a corporate product needs to get a
grip.  Since you are making claims Tim back them up, point to a post where
I harass somebody because they use OS/2, in other words I harass them
because of a product they use.  You can't do it Tim because I don't.  Find
a post where I say that I am doing something because somebody uses OS/2.


>
>You simply will not give up.  You won't stop.  You stalk,
>you harass, you whine again and again.  Then someone
>complains to your government subsidized I'Net administrator
>and you get called on the carpet for the antics.  Do you stop?
>NO!  GOOD GOD NO!  By God if it takes from now until
>doomsday you'll ride that OS/2 Newsgroup information
>highway and ride with NetRAGE on the hood!

Look at your froth at the mouth.  You and "Nick" were laughed at, making
legal complaints with no other contact means than an email address.  I
wasn't called on the carpet.  A complaint was lodged, investigated,
laughed at and thrown out.  You are a joke, you lied, you know you lied
and don't deny it.  I ride you for telling lies about me.  The meeting was
actually a fun time, showing what an ass you are and how inept you are at
your job.  The only bad part was the abuse person getting annoyed with you
and telling you to shut up unless you had proof of your accusations.


>
>Drive on dude.  Right over the nearest OS/2 cliff.

You're rantings don't make sense but since the are fueled by a persecution
complex I am not suprised.

>
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City
>http://warpcity.com
>"Y2K Discount for 1999 Members Ends 1/215!)
>
>
>


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From: afjbell@onlink.net                                13-Dec-99 18:43:22
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: "Alex Bell" <afjbell@onlink.net>

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:17:17 -0500, Mirage Media wrote:

>How did you do it? Where did you placethe .dlls?
>
>Thanks,
>
I already had them in the PMView directory.  I just copied them to another
directory which in the libpath.  I think that if I had put the PMView
directory into the libpath that would have worked as well.

Regards, Alex


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From: afjbell@onlink.net                                13-Dec-99 18:47:04
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: "Alex Bell" <afjbell@onlink.net>

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 01:54:26 GMT, nomad@praxcomm.com wrote:

>In <nsworyybayvaxarg.fmniv30.pminews@news.onlink.net>, "Alex Bell"
<afjbell@onlink.net> writes:
>
>>I downloaded it, and found that it needed two epfi*.dlls.  But as I had them
>>in the PMView directory I was able to complete installation.
>
>I, too, have been unable to install Embellish, as I'm lacking those EPFI*.DLL 
files.
>
>Would be kind enough to send them to me (and tell me where they should be 
>placed)?
>
>
>Regards (and thanks),
>
>Alan Thwaits
>Digital Cycling
>mailto: nomad@praxcomm.com
>http://www.praxcomm.com/
>
My posting has raised many responses, both here and in the Team OS/2 mailing
list.  Rather than mail the dlls to everyone I'll try to put them up on one
of my websites, so that they can be downloaded from there.  I'll keep you
posted. 

On the other hand they may be already available somewhere on the web.  Could
you do a search on them?

Regards, Alex


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From: afjbell@onlink.net                                13-Dec-99 18:50:08
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: "Alex Bell" <afjbell@onlink.net>

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 05:23:02 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:13:32, letoured@nospam.net wrote:
>
>> In <3854522B.264F2D1B@iae.nl>, on 12/12/99 
>>    at 08:55 PM, Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> said:
>> 
>> >I just downloaded (from Dadaware)it and tried installing....no luck. The
>> >installation kept dying on one of the .dll's in Embellish. Seems to be
>> >corrupt. Has anyone else experienced this?
>> 
>> I found the same thing. Epfiexts.dll tha tit installs is corrupt.
>
>Or just keep c:\netscape\siutil; on your LIBPATH.
>
>-- 
>
>Good luck,
>
>Buddy
>
>Buddy Donnelly
>donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
>
>
Yes, that's a good idea.  I remember now that when I searched my hard drive
for the dlls they were somewhere in Netscape as well as in PMView.  Try
copying them to a directory which is in the libpath, and you should have no
problem installing Embellish.

Regards, Alex


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 13-Dec-99 23:41:17
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 03:29:06
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.apps, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) spake unto us, saying:

>p_fabre@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>I guess NetLedger will run on any platform with a browser: OS/2, Win
>>3.1  but not DOS!
>
>Actually, you can get a graphical browser for DOS.  The name escapes
>me right now, but I've seen it in action..very cool :)

Possibly Arachne, found here:

  http://arachne.browser.org

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
              Choose heaven for climate, hell for society.

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From: rcrane@octa4.net.au                               14-Dec-99 10:45:19
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 11:41:16
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:42:18, aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan 
Boritz) wrote:

> In article <82tugi$rlo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, innoval@ibm.net wrote:
> >In article <zterrarrkvfarg.fmk8te0.pminews@news.exis.net>,
> >  "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@hotbot.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
> >> Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look at who you
> >> are talking about - Innoval????
> >
> >Okay. Let's get some facts straight before this goes to far off topic.
>  
> Fine.  Try answering these questions:
>  
> How many Postroad News licenses did you sell after announcing that you
> discontinued support for the product?
> 
As one who was pissed off with Innoval when they dropped the
Newreader, I actually thought that they had improved their 
act - the announcement about JSM and Postroad Mailer made me
willing to even consider a product of theirs again.
PS I'm still happy using the Postroad mailer that I brought 
at the same time a the Abortive Postroad Newreader (long 
after I've forgotten the cost of it).
Richard A Crane
Barrister & Solicitor
slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT 
octa4.net.au 
OR rcrane AT attglobal.net

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From: tbretz@physik.tu-muenchen.de                      14-Dec-99 10:44:28
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 11:41:16
Subj: Backup

From: Thomas Bretz <tbretz@physik.tu-muenchen.de>

Hello,

does anybody knows how to make a backup of the complete HPFS-Partitions
from which I can restore a fully functional system after a HD crash.

Thx, 
Thomas

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From: pbaker@vivao.net                                  14-Dec-99 10:46:02
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 11:41:16
Subj: HPFS reader for DOS/WIN98 Boot Disk

From: "PB" <pbaker@vivao.net>

I'm looking for an HPFS file system reader/writer to allow me to boot from a
DOS or WIN98 network boot disk, connect to my server with various client
images (all HPFS) and copy either single files/directories or the whole
image onto the client machine. I have found various utilities, including
AMOS 3.20 by Allan Mertner (unfortunately read only), IHPFS 1.28 by Marcus
Better (again, read only) and HPFS Access 1.02 by Andreas Kinzler (this is
read and write but is limited to 16Mb of writing unless registered - I
cannot trace Mr.Kinzler in order to purchase a copy).

Anyone any ideas?

Thanks in anticipation.

Pete Baker.


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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    14-Dec-99 05:54:16
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 11:41:16
Subj: Re: Backup

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <38561199.16C0FD79@physik.tu-muenchen.de>,
Thomas Bretz <tbretz@physik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>does anybody knows how to make a backup of the complete HPFS-Partitions
>from which I can restore a fully functional system after a HD crash.

There are some tape back up programs that work well.  Also, if you're 
copying to a disk, XCOPY is fine (use the /h /o /t /s /e /r /v flags). 



-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: dmhills@attglobal.net                             14-Dec-99 23:49:07
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 11:41:17
Subj: Re: Xcopy with re-start options

From: dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills)

In article <38555E18.74FE7D9C@t-online.de>,
Thomas Kneisel <Thomas.Kneisel@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>In a first step you can use the "archive"-attribute to mark all files
>which were actually copied by xcopy (option /M). After a failure, "xcopy
>/A" should copy only those files which were not copied in the first step.
You just need XCOPY /M.

1/. ATTRIB +A *.* /S to set all the archive bits in the tree to be copied.
2/. COPY *.* A: /M /S to copy files (in this case, until the floppy is full).
    The Archive bit will be turned off for all successfully copied files.
3/. Insert new floppy and repeat step 2.

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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From: dmhills@attglobal.net                             14-Dec-99 23:53:27
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 11:41:17
Subj: Re: Backup

From: dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills)

In article <38561199.16C0FD79@physik.tu-muenchen.de>,
Thomas Bretz <tbretz@physik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>does anybody knows how to make a backup of the complete HPFS-Partitions
>from which I can restore a fully functional system after a HD crash.

An expensive option: Drive Image Pro by PowerQuest.

Cheap options: ZIP/UNZIP, or OS/2's BACKUP and RESTORE commands.
If you back up a full partition with BACKUP, it includes all the hidden
and system files. And if the backed up partition was bootable, RESTORE
makes it bootable again (FAT). DOS's BACKUP and RESTORE didn't do these
things and were thus of little use for a true full backup.
Actually, an HPFS partition requires no special action when to make it
bootable. You may remember under DOS, you had to FORMAT /S or SYS the
drive to make it bootable. Under OS/2, you need the SYSINSTX command to
make a FAT partition bootable. This is partly because the boot sectors
on FAT partitions contain different code depending on whether the
partition is bootable or not. HPFS partition boot sectors contain the
same code in all cases, the presence or absence of OS2BOOT in the root
directory determines its bootability.

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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From: jmandres@carbon.icb.csic.es                       14-Dec-99 13:43:07
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 11:41:17
Subj: Re: Backup

From: jmandres <jmandres@carbon.icb.csic.es>

    At work I have a tape drive and use the free SnapBack utility from
Columbia Data Products (http://www.cdp.com), which sell backup software for
WinNT. This software requires a bootable MSDOS diskette and (in my case)
Adaptec's drivers for the SCSI card to which the tape is attached. The tape
is an image copy, sector by sector, of the hard disk and I have recovered
gracefully from different Linux, Free BSD and WinNT installations and MBR
disasters.
    Other solution I have tried to recover OS/2  is making a backup to
another disk or network server. You'll need the bootable utility disks and
don't forget to copy to the last disk the utilities fdisk.exe, format.exe
and restore.exe. In case of crash you can restore to the same partition of
another disk (keep in mind the drive letter must be the same).

Good luck

Thomas Bretz escribi:

> Hello,
>
> does anybody knows how to make a backup of the complete HPFS-Partitions
> from which I can restore a fully functional system after a HD crash.
>
> Thx,
> Thomas

--
Jos Manuel Andrs
Instituto de Carboqumica, CSIC
Mara de Luna 12
50015 - Zaragoza
ESPAA / SPAIN
jmandres@carbon.icb.csic.es or jmandres@tornado.icb.csic.es


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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               14-Dec-99 08:33:24
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:14
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Nino wrote:
> But OS/2 1.1 was maybe the most important OS/2
> version ever : it's most important feature was PM, Presentation Manager,
> fast
> and reliable, that we still use today when running Warp.

Fast and reliable?  Not that 1st version of PM!  It took them another two
tries to stabilize it.

> OS/2 1.1 is
> thus the first operating system for PC with a GUI,

Not even close.  GEM existed by then, as did Windows 2, and there were about
half a dozen PC UNIXen with X11 support by then (I used three of them).  So
not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.

Not that OS/2 wasn't important.  It surely was.  It was a boondoggle for half
of the really established PC companies at the time, including IBM and Lotus. 
While people went off and chased OS/2 Microsoft kept building Windows things
and eventually shoved it all down the PC vendors' throats and companies with
much better products lost their hold of their respective markets to Microsoft.

jim

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          14-Dec-99 13:15:24
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:14
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 06:06:58, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason 
Bowen) wrote:
snip
> 
> Look at your froth at the mouth.  You and "Nick" were laughed at, making
> legal complaints with no other contact means than an email address.  I
> wasn't called on the carpet.  A complaint was lodged, investigated,
> laughed at and thrown out.  You are a joke, you lied, you know you lied
> and don't deny it.  I ride you for telling lies about me.  The meeting was
> actually a fun time, showing what an ass you are and how inept you are at
> your job.  The only bad part was the abuse person getting annoyed with you
> and telling you to shut up unless you had proof of your accusations.
> 
> 
> >
> >Drive on dude.  Right over the nearest OS/2 cliff.
> 
> You're rantings don't make sense but since the are fueled by a persecution
> complex I am not suprised.

So, "Jason", let me see if I've got this right: You've already had a 
formal warning about using USENET improperly? Why not learn from that 
experience and stop mailing personal correspondence to these groups? 
It's not only more "legal" but more respectful of the rest of us.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: obie@shadow.net                                   14-Dec-99 08:43:18
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:14
Subj: ICQ for OS/2

From: Obie <obie@shadow.net>

I downloaded ICQ/2 but do not see how to register to get an
ICQ numnber. Can anyone help?

Please email me directly: obie@shadow.net

You can get ICQ/2 at:
http://members.home.com/momotek/icq2/index.html

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 13-Dec-99 19:40:12
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:14
Subj: Re: Microphone

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) wrote:

>Can someone tell me a good way to check out a microphone in OS2 Warp
>4.0.  I'm trying to confirm that my mike is working working so I'd
>like to be able to save my coice input to a file and then play it back
>Thanks,
>Willard.


In the multimedia folder (mine is in the Desktop/Programs
folder, but I might have moved it there) the Digital Audio
program allows you to record through your microphone.  It's
a little haywire here (maybe as a result of FP 12): it
starts off the screen, and the file/open and file/new
dialogs act strangely.  In the first case, I highlight it in
the Window List and select Cascade off the second mouse
button popup; then I proceed with "new file" and it usually
works after an error beep -- once you get it running it goes
just fine.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: bandyo_nospam@all.wam.umd.edu                     14-Dec-99 09:23:01
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:14
Subj: Re: Backup

From: Sushenjit Bandyopadhyay <bandyo_nospam@all.wam.umd.edu>

I use a backup software called Back Again/2 to backup my HPFS boot 
partition to another hard drive.  I use this while booted from that 
partition.  A few months ago I had a hard drive crash and I was able 
to restore my fully functional system into a new drive in no time.  I 
needed  two sets of floppies.  One set OS/2 boot floppies and the 
other BA/2 emergency restore floppy to do that.  

YMMV

Sushenjit

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 12-14-99, 9:44:57 AM, Thomas Bretz <tbretz@physik.tu-muenchen.de> 
wrote regarding Backup:


> Hello,

> does anybody knows how to make a backup of the complete 
HPFS-Partitions
> from which I can restore a fully functional system after a HD crash.

> Thx,
> Thomas



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From: frank.joas@sis-west.de                            14-Dec-99 16:06:06
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:15
Subj: Netscape Communicator Profiles

From: "Frank Joas" <frank.joas@sis-west.de>

I want to distribute a netscape communicator profile to several PCs, so that
I don't have to configure each PC manual (proxy etc.). So I copied the
\netscape\users\myuser directory from one PC to another, but that is
obviously not working, because the profile manager does not show the new
profile. I discoverd that communicator makes some additions to the
OS2SYS.INI file - you will find the profile names and other stuff that
belongs to it, but only if you search with a normal Text/Hex-Editor. Each
INI-Editor I tried only showed the standard entrys.
Has anyone a clue how to distribute a communicator profile or to edit the
specific entrys in OS2SYS.INI?

Frank



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From: skrise@attglobal.net                              14-Dec-99 10:07:02
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:15
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: skrise@attglobal.net

Jason Bowen wrote:
> Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>>Jason Bowen wrote:
<mean spirited back and forth snipped>

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, BOYS!!

You are both acting in a completely irresponsible manner.
If you all can't just get along at least have the decency
to not waste bandwidth with your puerile pissing contests.

The both of you are ruining this newsgroup for the benefit
of your own personal vendettas and making extremely difficult
for those of us who actually have questions to ask about OS/2.

Please, stop it now.

Steven
-- 
Abstainer: a weak person who yields
           to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.
           ... Ambrose Bierce

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    14-Dec-99 15:37:17
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:15
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <38565D18.2B9B@attglobal.net>,  <skrise@attglobal.net> wrote:
>Jason Bowen wrote:
>> Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>>>Jason Bowen wrote:
><mean spirited back and forth snipped>
>
>FOR FUCK'S SAKE, BOYS!!
>
>You are both acting in a completely irresponsible manner.
>If you all can't just get along at least have the decency
>to not waste bandwidth with your puerile pissing contests.
>
>The both of you are ruining this newsgroup for the benefit
>of your own personal vendettas and making extremely difficult
>for those of us who actually have questions to ask about OS/2.
>
>Please, stop it now.

It's up to you Tim, feel like acknowledging publicly that I didn't
crack or attempt to crack Warp City?


>
>Steven
>-- 
>Abstainer: a weak person who yields
>           to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.
>           ... Ambrose Bierce


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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    14-Dec-99 15:31:15
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:15
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <jORXtcYCR8l4-pn2-K5cQtbbdhOUT@SPHERICALBURN.TAMPABAY.RR.COM>,
Buddy Donnelly <donnelly@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 06:06:58, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason 
>Bowen) wrote:
>snip
>> 
>> Look at your froth at the mouth.  You and "Nick" were laughed at, making
>> legal complaints with no other contact means than an email address.  I
>> wasn't called on the carpet.  A complaint was lodged, investigated,
>> laughed at and thrown out.  You are a joke, you lied, you know you lied
>> and don't deny it.  I ride you for telling lies about me.  The meeting was
>> actually a fun time, showing what an ass you are and how inept you are at
>> your job.  The only bad part was the abuse person getting annoyed with you
>> and telling you to shut up unless you had proof of your accusations.
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> >Drive on dude.  Right over the nearest OS/2 cliff.
>> 
>> You're rantings don't make sense but since the are fueled by a persecution
>> complex I am not suprised.
>
>So, "Jason", let me see if I've got this right: You've already had a 
>formal warning about using USENET improperly? Why not learn from that 
>experience and stop mailing personal correspondence to these groups? 
>It's not only more "legal" but more respectful of the rest of us.

For the record I have received no formal warning, Tim can tell you what CU
said about their view on usenet flame wars I am not in any trouble of any
sort, Tim is full of it. Tim lied about me in a public forum and
continues to lie.  I'd leave him be if he apoligized and acknowledged his
lie.  Tim claimed to have contacted the FBI and the Colorado State
Attorney Generals office of my alleged cracking of Warp City and didn't
provide a shred of evidence.  Tim has personally attacked people on the
OS/2 newsgroups as far back as I can remember.  This is about Tim's lies
about me cracking Warp City, nothing about posting in OS/2 newsgroups.  CU
would do something if I was attacking Tim for helping OS/2 users.  For
instance if Tim posted to help somebody with Netscape and I replied to it
saying you are a friggin dork Tim they'd admonish me.  I only reply to
attacks he does on others and his replies to that.  I am not under any
"thumb".  I don't start fights outright with Tim, I wait for him to post
his vitriol and then jump on him.  Tim has basically libled me in a public
forum, called me a criminal  when I didn't participate in any criminal
acts.  My participation in flame wars like this is no different than Tim's
rantings and I don't start the off topic posts.  I do reply to them though
helping perpetuate them.  Tim can admit his lie and apologize but he
doesn't have that kind of courage so he won't.  If he did I'd completely
leave him along, quite impressed that he apologized.

>
>--
>
>Good luck,
>
>Buddy
>
>Buddy Donnelly
>donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
>
>


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From: dtander@agt.net                                   14-Dec-99 16:18:28
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:15
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: dtander@agt.net (David T. Anderson)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:36:55, gzimmer@attglobal.net wrote:

> It is extremely rare to see this kind of spirit in the modern day computing
> world. Giving back to a community where they ultimately failed to 'make a
> buck', and yet still giving back to that very community, even in their
demise.
>  

I second you there, Gail.  JoeView was the second piece of OS/2 
shareware I  bought
[the first was PMMail] and I used it and its successor JViewPro until 
very recently.  Joe Berkeley and company were a great asset to the 
OS/2 community and I'm very sorry they've pulled the plug.  I hope 
that anyone who downloads the now-free Embellish [I paid for mine!] 
and finds it to be an excellent utility will feel a twinge of sadness,
if not guilt, for not supporting Dadaware when it was still in 
operation...
 

David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             14-Dec-99 08:39:22
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:15
Subj: Re: Microphone

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> 
> areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) wrote:
> 
> >Can someone tell me a good way to check out a microphone in OS2 Warp
> >4.0.  I'm trying to confirm that my mike is working working so I'd
> >like to be able to save my coice input to a file and then play it back
> >Thanks,
> >Willard.
> 
> In the multimedia folder (mine is in the Desktop/Programs
> folder, but I might have moved it there) the Digital Audio
> program allows you to record through your microphone.  It's
> a little haywire here (maybe as a result of FP 12): it
> starts off the screen, and the file/open and file/new
> dialogs act strangely.  In the first case, I highlight it in
> the Window List and select Cascade off the second mouse
> button popup; then I proceed with "new file" and it usually
> works after an error beep -- once you get it running it goes
> just fine.

Another possibility for testing is the Voicetype enrollment manager. 
Enroll a few phrases and it will tell you pretty well how the mic is
working and also give you a nice graphical output.


> 
> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: cwr@cts.com                                       14-Dec-99 17:05:04
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 14:35:15
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

David T. Anderson <dtander@agt.net> wrote:
: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:36:55, gzimmer@attglobal.net wrote:

:> It is extremely rare to see this kind of spirit in the modern day computing
:> world. Giving back to a community where they ultimately failed to 'make a
:> buck', and yet still giving back to that very community, even in their
demise.
:>  

: I second you there, Gail.  JoeView was the second piece of OS/2 
: shareware I  bought
: [the first was PMMail] and I used it and its successor JViewPro until 
: very recently.  Joe Berkeley and company were a great asset to the 
: OS/2 community and I'm very sorry they've pulled the plug.  I hope 
: that anyone who downloads the now-free Embellish [I paid for mine!] 
: and finds it to be an excellent utility will feel a twinge of sadness,
: if not guilt, for not supporting Dadaware when it was still in 
: operation...

Anyone know if there's a way to suppress the 10-second splash screen
on the (commercial) Embellish?  I find it pretty irritating - does it
exist in the free version?  Fortunately I managed to buy a second-hand
copy of JViewPro, which does exactly what I want, so Embellish is now
shelf-ware, but I'd like to get it going.


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          14-Dec-99 17:46:29
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 16:42:03
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator Profiles

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:13, "Frank Joas" <frank.joas@sis-west.de> 
wrote:

> I want to distribute a netscape communicator profile to several PCs, so that
> I don't have to configure each PC manual (proxy etc.). So I copied the
> \netscape\users\myuser directory from one PC to another, but that is
> obviously not working, because the profile manager does not show the new
> profile. I discoverd that communicator makes some additions to the
> OS2SYS.INI file - you will find the profile names and other stuff that
> belongs to it, but only if you search with a normal Text/Hex-Editor. Each
> INI-Editor I tried only showed the standard entrys.
> Has anyone a clue how to distribute a communicator profile or to edit the
> specific entrys in OS2SYS.INI?

Wow, I never imagined there could be anything in the INI files that 
was out of register with the standard Application | Key | Key Value 
entries. And I don't find anything like that in mine, now, examining 
with a hex editor.

Have you looked at \OS2\NSCP.INI? This appears to carry the entries 
you are looking for.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: Thomas.Kellerer@tps-labs.com                      14-Dec-99 19:25:13
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 16:42:03
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator Profiles

From: Thomas Kellerer <Thomas.Kellerer@tps-labs.com>

There are two files in the \os2 directory which store the profile
information. The first one is nscp.ini and the secondone is nsreg.dat.
nscp.ini is a normal INI file where you can clearly see the profiles. I
don't have a clue what the nsreg.dat is for

If you want to distribute the profiles you will have to copy both files
to each client.

Regards
Thomas


Frank Joas wrote:
> 
> I want to distribute a netscape communicator profile to several PCs, so that
> I don't have to configure each PC manual (proxy etc.). So I copied the
> \netscape\users\myuser directory from one PC to another, but that is
> obviously not working, because the profile manager does not show the new
> profile. I discoverd that communicator makes some additions to the
> OS2SYS.INI file - you will find the profile names and other stuff that
> belongs to it, but only if you search with a normal Text/Hex-Editor. Each
> INI-Editor I tried only showed the standard entrys.
> Has anyone a clue how to distribute a communicator profile or to edit the
> specific entrys in OS2SYS.INI?
> 
> Frank

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From: msuch@free.fr                                     14-Dec-99 18:56:06
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 16:42:03
Subj: rxqueue rexx function

From: "Michel SUCH" <msuch@free.fr>

Has anyone been able to use this.

I am working for a while on a piece of code with:
newq = rxqueue('create')
the queue is created
oldq = rxqueue('set', newq
the queue seems to be set

and after... impossible to pass anything to it.

could anyone send me a working sample?
Michel SUCH - Team OS/2 FRANCE
ICQ # 51654489


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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             14-Dec-99 11:20:00
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

Symantec has released Norton Antivirus for OS/2 v5.0.  Unfortunately, if
you make a casual visit to their website you will find no mention of it
and their customer service representatives may disavow any knowledge of
it.  Their is a webpage at:

http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_os2/

So how to get this?  If you ask, Symantec reps may tell you that it is
for corporate customers only at 10 licenses minimum for $400 and that
they do not have an end-user solution for OS/2.  Definitely
discouraging.  BUT, as a part of their agreement last year, Symantec
agreed to supply a CD-ROM with Norton Antivirus for OS/2 for every
licensed user of IBM AntiVirus for OS/2 for just $9.95 shipping and
handling.  To take advantage of this, call Symantec at 800-441-7234. 
When you get a representative, be polite but persistent and ask for the
corporate queue for IBM Antivirus for OS/2 licensees.  Eventually, you
will reach someone who will be able to take your shipping and billing
information and get your order processed.  

Antivirus protection for OS/2 is seldom needed but if you do need it,
this is an option.

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From: dd@dandrake.com                                   14-Dec-99 19:19:09
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: dd@dandrake.com (Dan Drake)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:24:24, stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au (stephen)
wrote:

>... 
> My "normal" profile uses Smart Cache and SOME disk cache and NO memory
> cache and it runs very quickly and well.

Very interesting.  Why any disk cache when you also have smartcache?

-- 
Dan Drake
dd@dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/index.html

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From: dd@dandrake.com                                   14-Dec-99 19:24:09
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: dd@dandrake.com (Dan Drake)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:28:52, Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com (Dana Hartsock)
wrote:

  
> Guess I've been living under a log... never heard of 
> Smartcache but I think I'll go looking for it.
> Any gotchas I should know about with it?

One new user's reactions:

It really works, vastly better than NS caching.
But it's not officially released, and hasn't been updated since March.  
Some things aren't implemented, like the CONNECT message and some or all 
of https stuff; so occasionally you have to turn off the proxy to get work
done.  (But this is a no-sweat operation.)
You can easily configure it to go through Junkbuster, another fine proxy.
It has bugs.  Surprise.  Its Referer-hack feature needs a couple of 
patches if you care about it, but probably you can just as well leave it 
alone.
Highly recommended, anyway.

-- 
Dan Drake
dd@dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/index.html

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From: nick@secant.com                                   14-Dec-99 14:23:13
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Nick Knight <nick@secant.com>

In <3855D669.7AADAEE0@WarpCity.com>, on 12/13/99 
   at 09:32 PM, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> said:

>Please, explain to all of us why it is you -A NON OS/2 USER- has lived,
>harassed and attacked OS/2 users in this newsgroup for several years now. 
>Don't try turning it around and whining that

Have you guys ever heard of email?  You ought to try it.

Nick
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <nick@secant.com>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     14-Dec-99 20:32:00
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:28:52, Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com (Dana 
Hartsock) wrote:

> Doug,
>  
> Guess I've been living under a log... never heard of 
> Smartcache but I think I'll go looking for it.
> Any gotchas I should know about with it?
> 
> Dana
> 

Look at:

http://ncic.netmag.cz/apps/nase/smartcache_e.html

and be sure to go through the setup instructions (such as they are) 
carefully. It seems to work pretty well "right off of the net". I 
would suggest getting it to work, by changing the obviuos things (if 
required), then start changing other things, one at a time (if you 
think you may want to try a feature), so that you know what was 
changed when something goes wrong.

Also check out AWGET:

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7567/software/english/ind
ex.html

(this line may wrap) and WGET (at HOBBES):

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: jmiranda@ricochet.net                             14-Dec-99 12:33:23
  To: comp.os.os2.apps@list.deja.com                    14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Back Again/2000

To: "comp.os.os2.apps@list.deja.com" <comp.os.os2.apps@list.deja.com>
From: jose miranda <jmiranda@ricochet.net>

** Reply to message from "Dilbert Firestorm" <wwiv@pppproject.org> on Mon, 06
Dec 99 18:36:35 (cst)

I got the evaluation package but I have been unable to have it work properly.
It crashes before it starts backing up every time. The regular BackAgain pro
works well for me; I back up to a CD-RW drive using RSJ software. 

Good luck

Jose


 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
 Before you buy.

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                14-Dec-99 17:25:11
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article
<xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fmpn650.pminews@news.pacbell.net>,
"Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> wrote:
>Serenity Systems markets a Managed Client(r) product which provides
>significant benefits to business users. We selected OS/2 as our
>desktop client for many reasons and one is the broad range of
>application support provided.
>
>However, we continue to receive requests to support Win32
>applications. Often this request is in addition to the requirement to
>run Presentation Manager or WorkPlace Shell applications, which are
>frequently Line of Business Applications.
>
>After reviewing the product solutions available, we determined that
>the best response to this requirement would be a hardware
>modification to the workstation, enabling the system to support a
>host operating system and guest operating system. Release 1 of the
>product is anticipated to support an OS/2 host and a Windows guest.
>The OS/2 support includes WorkSpace on Demand and OS/2 V4 (Merlin)
>with support for a Managed Client, run either as a diskless RPL
>client or as a traditional "fat" client.
>
>We have put an overview of this project on our web site
>(http://www.Serenity-Systems.com/), with an associated questionnaire
>which will help us through our product planning. Accessing the
>document requires that you have a valid log-on for the site. You can
>request a log on from Info@Serenity-Systems.com. Once you log on to
>the site, click on the Project Concorde image and, if it is
>appropriate, complete the questionnaire.
>
>

Hi Kim,

This is a great idea. Have you done any projections on "in the home" cost of
implementing Concorde? As I see it, it looks a bit expensive.


--

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From: frank@schwedler.net                               14-Dec-99 22:14:00
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Back Again/2000 and RSJ 

From: "Frank Schwedler" <frank@schwedler.net>

Hej!

>I got the evaluation package but I have been unable to have it work properly.
>It crashes before it starts backing up every time. The regular BackAgain pro
>works well for me; I back up to a CD-RW drive using RSJ software. 

Is there something special I should know about backing up to a CD-RW drive?

Frank





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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    14-Dec-99 21:47:09
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Adrian Gschwend <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> writes:
> On 11 Dec 1999 16:15:46 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
> >Is there an OS/2 MySQL server? I found some hints of MSQL, but that won't
> >do as I need to develop a database that will eventually run on MySQL on
> >a Unix platform.
> 
> There is, it works very well on my webserver. Go to hobbes.nmsu.edu and
> search for MySQL.

Thanks, I got it. Now, how do I make it talk to my web server? 

I have Apache/1.3.9 (OS/2) PHP/3.0.12 working fine on the loopback
interface. I can write PHP scripts that query successfully a MySQL 
server on another host.

I have mysql2-3.22.26a installed, and I can create a database using
mysqladmin from the command line.

Now, how do I tell Apache what to do to talk to MySQL? I assume it's
something in httpd.conf but I don't see anything relating to MySQL.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers  www.mp3.com/pawnshop
                               | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
The New York City Beer Guide   | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | www.mp3.com/jeniferjackson

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From: era@usit.net                                      14-Dec-99 22:47:09
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:13
Subj: Tim Martin, Jason Bowen Read This

From: ERA <era@usit.net>

Please keep your fights off these particular groups:

Posted: comp.os.os2.marketplace, comp.os.os2.apps, comp.os.os2.comm

The c.o.o.misc group is not a problem as it seems to be mostly an
extended flame war and we can avoid it. However, the majority of us
follow the above listed groups for serious information and flame wars
are *very* off-topic here.

Tim, as an OS/2 advocate you should know better than this. If the guy
bugs ya, 'twit' him. It's not necessary to defend yourself against
lamers that claim something against you. We will all understand, and
applaud, when you choose to ignore this kind of attack. I don't want
to have to 'twit' you as you occasionally do have some good OS/2
information.

If either of you wish to respond send e-mail. Not not post to the
newsgroups with your replies please.
-- 
Gene Alexander <era@usit.net>
-- 
+==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+
#   Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA    #
#Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer  Business Computing Solutions#
#         visit our www pages at http://eracc.bizland.com/          #
+===================================================================+
The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 
Revision 9.029 
There are 47 Processes with 167 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 3d 0h 45m 37s 963ms.

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From: ptuck@jpeace.freeserve.co.uk                      14-Dec-99 22:51:18
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:13
Subj: Re: Xcopy with re-start options

From: "Phil Tuck" <ptuck@jpeace.freeserve.co.uk>

John Poltorak wrote in message <384fb842.0@katana.legend.co.uk>...
>Has anyone ever come across a utility which is equivalent to XCOPY but
>with option to do a re-start from a point of failure?
>
>ie something akin to wget -c -r for ftping.
>
>--
>John
>
>

Hi John, long time no see!

I'll write you one if you can't find anything suitable.  Just let me know
which
operating system (OS/2, Windows NT or both) and give me a spec.

Regards,

Phil Tuck.


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               14-Dec-99 23:07:14
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:13
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

Where have you BEEN all my life?!

Please, tell us more!

--Esther

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:17:21, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) 
wrote:

| My company sells one. ENTITY Systems Ltd.
|  
| It does GL, A/R, A/P, Invoicing, Sales analysis,
| Bill of Materials and a bunch of other stuff.
|  
| OS/2, Windows 3.1 and character mode on DOS
 


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From: chris@os2ezine.com                                14-Dec-99 23:01:22
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:13
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: chris@os2ezine.com (Chris Wenham)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:47:19, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:

> 
> Now, how do I tell Apache what to do to talk to MySQL? I assume it's
> something in httpd.conf but I don't see anything relating to MySQL.

 You don't. 

 Apache doesn't talk to MySQL under OS/2, you need to use a CGI 
package such as WWW-MySQL (can be found on Hobbes), or the RexxSQL 
library (http://www.lightlink.com/hessling/).

 Getting PHP to work in Apache on OS/2 is a pain in the ass, and I 
think the only way to be satisfied will be to port PHP and compile it 
into Apache yourself. There are a number of pre-compiled Apache 
servers with PHP support on Hobbes, but they have the following 
serious problems:

 They are badly out of synch with the current official OS/2 port of 
Apache.
 They are poorly documented.
 I have yet to find one that is compiled to work with MySQL. They only
work with mSQL.

 I have never been able to use PHP, Apache and MySQL together on an 
OS/2 machine at all. Even mod_perl seems to be nonexistant on OS/2, 
which is really tough.

 I've had reasonable success with the WWW-MySQL program. It's a 
preprocessor that supports a very simplified scripting language. You 
can just about do looping and conditional statements in it, so you 
might find yourself putting the bulk of your logic into the SQL 
queries whenever you can get away with it.

 Using RexxSQL is my second choice, but only because I can't afford 
the overhead Rexx will add to each request. If your server is not 
going to experience heavy traffic then writing your scripts in Rexx 
with RexxSQL as your interface is the best way to go.

Regards,

Chris Wenham - editor@os2ezine.com
The views expressed are mine.

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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    14-Dec-99 23:27:29
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 21:14:07
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

Jason Bowen <bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu> wrote:
>In article <38565D18.2B9B@attglobal.net>,  <skrise@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>Jason Bowen wrote:
>>> Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>>>>Jason Bowen wrote:
>><mean spirited back and forth snipped>
>>
>>FOR FUCK'S SAKE, BOYS!!
>>
>>You are both acting in a completely irresponsible manner.
>>If you all can't just get along at least have the decency
>>to not waste bandwidth with your puerile pissing contests.
>>
>>The both of you are ruining this newsgroup for the benefit
>>of your own personal vendettas and making extremely difficult
>>for those of us who actually have questions to ask about OS/2.
>>
>>Please, stop it now.
>
>It's up to you Tim, feel like acknowledging publicly that I didn't
>crack or attempt to crack Warp City?

That sounds like an admission that they're not going to stop.

  *plonk*

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: timurkz@saxz.mmbankz.ruz                          15-Dec-99 02:38:03
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 21:14:07
Subj: Re: rxqueue rexx function

From: "Timur Kazimirov" <timurkz@saxz.mmbankz.ruz>

Hello Michel,

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:56:13 GMT, Michel SUCH wrote:

>Has anyone been able to use this.
>
>I am working for a while on a piece of code with:
>newq = rxqueue('create')
>the queue is created
>oldq = rxqueue('set', newq
>the queue seems to be set
>
>and after... impossible to pass anything to it.
>
>could anyone send me a working sample?

Look for this short example. Hope it will help you

=== Begin of PIPETEST.CMD ===

/* Pipe test. Server part. Client part is READPIPE.CMD */

Call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs'
Call SysLoadFuncs

Signal On Halt Name AllDone
MyPipe = 'DTQ17'

MyPipe = RxQueue('Create', MyPipe)
OldPipe = RxQueue('Set', MyPipe)
Do Forever
  tt = Time('N')
  dd = Date('L')
  Say dd tt
  Push dd tt
  Call SysSleep 5
End

AllDone:

Say 'Exiting...'
Call RxQueue 'Delete', MyPipe
Call RxQueue 'Set', OldPipe
Exit

=== End of PIPETEST.CMD ===

=== Begin of READPIPE.CMD ===

/* Pipe test. Client part. Server part is PIPETEST.CMD */

Call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs'
Call SysLoadFuncs

Signal On Halt Name AllDone
MyPipe = 'DTQ17'

OldPipe = RxQueue('Set', MyPipe)
Do Forever
  Pull a b
  Say a b
  Call SysSleep 5
End

AllDone:

Say 'Exiting...'
Call RxQueue 'Set', OldPipe
Exit

=== End of READPIPE.CMD ===

With best regards,
Timur Kazimirov

-- Remove all "z" from my address to reply



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From: deweiss@panix.com                                 14-Dec-99 19:33:04
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 21:14:07
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 opens only certain URLs

From: Daniel Weiss <deweiss@panix.com>


"Stein L. Tomassen" wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:34:50 -0500, Daniel Weiss wrote:
>
> >I am running Netscape 4.61 with Warp 4.0.  I have opened
> >www.abebooks.com with no problem.  But when I try to open the search URL
> >within that site, I cannot.  When I download the search URL to my
> >machine I CAN open it with Netscape; but not online.  This has happened
> >with other sites as well: I am told that a site has been contacted and
> >we are waiting for a reply.  But the reply never comes.
> >
> >This is not a security issue.  I know these sites work, because, god
> >help me, I have opened them with Explorer.
> >
> >Is anyone familiar with this entertaining quirk?
> >
> I am now and then having the same problem, NS says it are waiting for a
> reply. But it is usually solved if I press stop an do a reload, then it
comes
> at once. I am also having another problem, NS says document done, but the
> page is blank. If I minimize the page and then restore, then the page is ok.
> This is a problem with my SDD driver and Matrox Mill. II card.
>
> Your problem sounds like something else, but who knows...
>
> Best regards
> Stein

Pressing stop and then reload often works for me as well.  But there are still
many sites that I can get into with Explorer, and therefore should be able to
get
into with Netscape, that do not open (or rather, never reply).   I
occasionally
draw a blank page, but that is much less of a problem.

Dan

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From: engel003@mc.duke.edu                              14-Dec-99 19:39:11
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 21:14:08
Subj: Desktop On-call--How to send Ctrl-Alt-Del to host?

From: "L. Engelhart" <engel003@mc.duke.edu>

I have Desktop On-call 2.5 installed on a host NT 4 workstation.  If
someone is logged in on the host, I can control it remotedly from any
browser.

However, I can't figure out any way to log on remotely.  The emulation
buttons for Control and Alt seem to work individually with TAB, ESC,
etc.  But I can't figure out any way to send Ctrl-Alt-Del.

According to this product description, it should be possible, even with
the earlier version (2.0).

http://www.jp.ibm.com/esbu/E/dtoc/features2.html

Anybody figured this out?  Both NetOp and PCAnywhere have explicit
configuration for this.  Seems a real shortcoming if DToC doesn't.







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From: Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com                      15-Dec-99 01:09:17
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 21:14:08
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com (Dana Hartsock)

Doug,

Thanks for the info on Smartchache... I'll consider it. I 
just got around to installing Comm. 4.61 on Sunday. It 
definitely is rendering pages faster than 4.04l.  I haven't 
used it extensively yet. The various OS/2 Netscape browsers 
have all had one thing in common for me. Eventually they 
bring my system down. It is the only application I use that 
does that... I'm crossing my fingers 4.61 will play nicer.
 
Dana

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From: dmckenn@attglobal.net                             14-Dec-99 20:42:08
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:00
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: "David McKenna" <dmckenn@attglobal.net>

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:01 -0500, David T. Johnson wrote:

>Symantec has released Norton Antivirus for OS/2 v5.0.  Unfortunately, if
>you make a casual visit to their website you will find no mention of it
>and their customer service representatives may disavow any knowledge of
>it.  Their is a webpage at:
>
>http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_os2/
>
>So how to get this?  If you ask, Symantec reps may tell you that it is
>for corporate customers only at 10 licenses minimum for $400 and that
>they do not have an end-user solution for OS/2.  Definitely
>discouraging.  BUT, as a part of their agreement last year, Symantec
>agreed to supply a CD-ROM with Norton Antivirus for OS/2 for every
>licensed user of IBM AntiVirus for OS/2 for just $9.95 shipping and
>handling.  To take advantage of this, call Symantec at 800-441-7234. 
>When you get a representative, be polite but persistent and ask for the
>corporate queue for IBM Antivirus for OS/2 licensees.  Eventually, you
>will reach someone who will be able to take your shipping and billing
>information and get your order processed.  
>
>Antivirus protection for OS/2 is seldom needed but if you do need it,
>this is an option.

    You wouldn't happen to have any actual names (first and last) of people
at Symantec who know about this would you? I've been down this road three
times and got nowhere. Every time I was told I *must* get the 10 license
version and anyone who said otherwise didn't know what they were talking
about (including IBM). When I persisted, they took my number and said someone
would call me. Someone did, and told me the same thing - 10 license version
or nothing.

Dave McKenna


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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              15-Dec-99 02:08:13
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:00
Subj: Re: Microphone

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

In message <38558886$1$wavpubyf$mr2ice@news.tcia.net> -
jnichols@tcia.netMon, 13 Dec 1999 18:58:18 -0500 writes:
:>
:>In <s5anm2qp5342@corp.supernews.com>, on 12/13/99 
:>   at 09:01 PM, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) said:
:>
:>>Can someone tell me a good way to check out a microphone in OS2 Warp 4.0. 
:>>I'm trying to confirm that my mike is working working so I'd like to be
:>>able to save my coice input to a file and then play it back Thanks,
:>>Willard.
:>
:>OS/2 WarpCenter, Programs, VoiceType, Check Installation.
:>
:>Later,
:>Nick
:>
:>-- 
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>jnichols@tcia.net
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>
:>          
:>




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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              15-Dec-99 02:10:22
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:00
Subj: Re: Microphone

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

In message <38558886$1$wavpubyf$mr2ice@news.tcia.net> -
jnichols@tcia.netMon, 13 Dec 1999 18:58:18 -0500 writes:
:>
:>In <s5anm2qp5342@corp.supernews.com>, on 12/13/99 
:>   at 09:01 PM, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) said:
:>
:>>Can someone tell me a good way to check out a microphone in OS2 Warp 4.0. 
:>>I'm trying to confirm that my mike is working working so I'd like to be
:>>able to save my coice input to a file and then play it back Thanks,
:>>Willard.
:>
:>OS/2 WarpCenter, Programs, VoiceType, Check Installation.
:>
:>Later,

:>Nick
:>
 Nick,
	This would be fine but since I don't use VT, I've deleted it from my
hard drive. Any other suggestions?  Reinstalling VT is quite a job, I
think.
Thanks,

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          15-Dec-99 02:28:11
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:00
Subj: Re: Microphone

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:10:44, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) 
wrote:

> In message <38558886$1$wavpubyf$mr2ice@news.tcia.net> -
> jnichols@tcia.netMon, 13 Dec 1999 18:58:18 -0500 writes:
> :>
> :>In <s5anm2qp5342@corp.supernews.com>, on 12/13/99 
> :>   at 09:01 PM, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) said:
> :>
> :>>Can someone tell me a good way to check out a microphone in OS2 Warp 4.0. 

> :>>I'm trying to confirm that my mike is working working so I'd like to be
> :>>able to save my coice input to a file and then play it back Thanks,
> :>>Willard.
> :>
> :>OS/2 WarpCenter, Programs, VoiceType, Check Installation.


> 	This would be fine but since I don't use VT, I've deleted it from my
> hard drive. Any other suggestions?  Reinstalling VT is quite a job, I
> think.

You're not the only one who deletes VT. How about Faxworks Pro v.3? 
That's an excellent program for recording mike messages.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com                      15-Dec-99 03:40:23
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:01
Subj: Communicator 4.61 & Multiple Users

From: Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com (Dana Hartsock)

I just installed 4.61. My wife is a secondary user of my 
ATTGLOBAL service and when  I was running 4.04 it would 
start and open a box to let us choose her User Profile or 
mine. That does not happen with 4.61. 

I opened User Profile Manager and her profile is there and 
she could select her profile there and have 4.61 start using
her profile. But this is an awkward way to do this with a 
couple extra steps over 4.04. Is there some way to 
work-around this? 

Dana

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            15-Dec-99 03:47:03
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:01
Subj: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

Is there a program one can use to compare what is on a CD-ROM (CD-R or
CD-RW) with the files on a source CD-ROM or hard disk?

At least for the first few "burns" I would like to check whether the
newly created disk contains what it is supposed to contain.

Alan

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From: Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com                      15-Dec-99 04:00:04
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:01
Subj: Re: Communicator 4.61 & Multiple Users

From: Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com (Dana Hartsock)

Well, I guess putting  "-profile_manager" in the Parameter 
field of the Communicator 4.61 does what I want... but it is
a bit more awkward than the same process in 4.04.



On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:40:47, Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com 
(Dana Hartsock) wrote:

> I just installed 4.61. My wife is a secondary user of my 
> ATTGLOBAL service and when  I was running 4.04 it would 
> start and open a box to let us choose her User Profile or 
> mine. That does not happen with 4.61. 
> 
> I opened User Profile Manager and her profile is there and 
> she could select her profile there and have 4.61 start using
> her profile. But this is an awkward way to do this with a 
> couple extra steps over 4.04. Is there some way to 
> work-around this? 
> 
> Dana


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From: wwiv@pppproject.org                               14-Dec-99 22:12:17
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:01
Subj: Netscape Messenger

From: "Dilbert Firestorm" <wwiv@pppproject.org>

is there any way to stop netscape netcenter page from showing up in netscape
Messenger?
-


Origin: Nuclear Wasteland * 504-394-0509


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From: aboritz@cybernex.net                              15-Dec-99 00:49:09
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz)

In article <HN2tEbdbtdhk-pn2-ysTcG5F4P4uN@localhost>, rcrane@octa4.net.au
(Richard A Crane) wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:42:18, aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan
>Boritz) wrote:
>
>> In article <82tugi$rlo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, innoval@ibm.net wrote:
>> >In article <zterrarrkvfarg.fmk8te0.pminews@news.exis.net>,
>> >  "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@hotbot.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:32:00 -0800, Tim Martin wrote:
>> >> Any other company would get a "great!!!", but let's look at who you
>> >> are talking about - Innoval????
>> >
>> >Okay. Let's get some facts straight before this goes to far off topic.
>> 
>> Fine.  Try answering these questions:
>> 
>> How many Postroad News licenses did you sell after announcing that you
>> discontinued support for the product?
>>
>As one who was pissed off with Innoval when they dropped the
>Newreader, I actually thought that they had improved their
>act - the announcement about JSM and Postroad Mailer made me
>willing to even consider a product of theirs again.
>PS I'm still happy using the Postroad mailer that I brought
>at the same time a the Abortive Postroad Newreader (long
>after I've forgotten the cost of it).

Well, it should be pretty obvious that some people are happy with it, and some
are not.  It's got an interesting GUI, but it's missing simple functions that
most other mail clients have, like the ability to print a properly formatted
message for sent-mail (they're all missing the date), missing references
control line on replies, and a simple hook for a received mail indicator. It's
unfortunately, the poorly implemented "features" made their way into JSM.

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    15-Dec-99 06:01:08
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <837hgj$6so$1@news.hawaii.edu>,
tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) wrote:
>Jim Frost writes:
>
>> So not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
>> distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
>
>I guess that depends on what you call a "fully distributed" GUI.  There
>is a product that will let you see the OS/2 desktop with a web browser.
>That means you can run your OS/2 desktop from UNIX, for example.
>

It's called "Desktop on Call".  There are OS/2, Linux and even Windows
versions of it.  It does work, but is *SLOW*, even when running 
Netscape on a Pentium 150 on a 16 Mb token ring lan, with both 
computers on the same desk.  It's really strange to see the desktop 
change almost instantly on the remote system and watch the same info 
slowly appear on the local computer.


-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: frank.joas@sis-west.de                            15-Dec-99 10:24:17
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator Profiles

From: "Frank Joas" <frank.joas@sis-west.de>

Thomas Kellerer schrieb in Nachricht <38568B96.D2A9FABD@tps-labs.com>...
>There are two files in the \os2 directory which store the profile
>information. The first one is nscp.ini and the secondone is nsreg.dat.
>nscp.ini is a normal INI file where you can clearly see the profiles. I
>don't have a clue what the nsreg.dat is for


Huh, why haven't I seen them myself...? Thank you (and the others)!
Frank



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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        15-Dec-99 09:38:26
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <38570D8A.2817DBB9@optonline.net>, Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>
writes:
>Is there a program one can use to compare what is on a CD-ROM (CD-R or
>CD-RW) with the files on a source CD-ROM or hard disk?

The best solution I have come across for comparing directories recursively is
GNU DIFF - it should be on Hobbes and LEO.

diff -q -r  path1 path2

..reports any differences between files in path1 and path2 or does nothing
(RC = 0) when everything matches.

>At least for the first few "burns" I would like to check whether the
>newly created disk contains what it is supposed to contain.
>
>Alan

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John

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From: andreas.linde@os2.org                             15-Dec-99 10:39:09
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org>

hi

>Thanks, I got it. Now, how do I make it talk to my web server? 
>
>I have Apache/1.3.9 (OS/2) PHP/3.0.12 working fine on the loopback
>interface. I can write PHP scripts that query successfully a MySQL 
>server on another host.
>
>I have mysql2-3.22.26a installed, and I can create a database using
>mysqladmin from the command line.
>
>Now, how do I tell Apache what to do to talk to MySQL? I assume it's
>something in httpd.conf but I don't see anything relating to MySQL.

Go to http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/

there you find a very good apache 1.3.9 (with ssl) and php/3.0.12 included.
this works VERY good. you don't need to recompile anything.

the problem is you mysql version. to use this new version the php-module
has be to recompiled. or you have to wait for a new version from the
location mentioned.

ciao

 andy

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From: andreas.linde@os2.org                             15-Dec-99 10:43:10
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org>

hi

> Getting PHP to work in Apache on OS/2 is a pain in the ass, and I 
>think the only way to be satisfied will be to port PHP and compile it 
>into Apache yourself. There are a number of pre-compiled Apache 
>servers with PHP support on Hobbes, but they have the following 
>serious problems:

that's completely wrong. I don't know what you did, but mysql, php and
apache are running VERY fine out of the box with apache 1.3.9
at Netlabs.org and OS2.org !!!
the version from http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/ is the best I know of.
and the most actual version too

> They are badly out of synch with the current official OS/2 port of 
>Apache.

also wrong. take a look at the mentioned url, and you'll find even a 
developer version of apache 2.0. so what is out of sync !?

> They are poorly documented.

I don't think so. the documentation on every single apache version on
every plattform is the same. so you say apache documentaion is poor
everywhere ?

> I have yet to find one that is compiled to work with MySQL. They only
>work with mSQL.
take a look at the mentioned url

> I have never been able to use PHP, Apache and MySQL together on an 
>OS/2 machine at all. Even mod_perl seems to be nonexistant on OS/2, 
>which is really tough.
same as above.

Regards,

 andreas linde

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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 15-Dec-99 11:00:28
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: Backup

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:53:54, dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills) wrote:

> In article <38561199.16C0FD79@physik.tu-muenchen.de>,
> Thomas Bretz <tbretz@physik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >does anybody knows how to make a backup of the complete HPFS-Partitions
> >from which I can restore a fully functional system after a HD crash.
> 
> An expensive option: Drive Image Pro by PowerQuest.
> 

A cheaper option would be Powerquest Drive Image (not the Pro version) or 
Partition Magic (the copy partition function).

An even cheaper option would be Powerquests Drive Copy.

Look at Powerquests web "www.powerquest.com".

Jan Swartling
 Blue Soft
 www.bluesoft.se

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           15-Dec-99 14:21:28
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <QvZVpH4Tn21Y-pn2-zZWthBNi9g0p@blimey.netmonger.net>, on 12/14/99 
   at 11:01 PM, chris@os2ezine.com (Chris Wenham) said:

>> Now, how do I tell Apache what to do to talk to MySQL? I assume it's
>> something in httpd.conf but I don't see anything relating to MySQL.

> You don't. 

> Apache doesn't talk to MySQL under OS/2, you need to use a CGI  package
>such as WWW-MySQL (can be found on Hobbes), or the RexxSQL  library
>(http://www.lightlink.com/hessling/).

The supported way of talking to SQL database engines via Perl/CGI is by
using DBI/DBD modules. You can read more about DBI interface at

http://www.perl.com/pub/1999/10/DBI.html

Apart of working Perl for OS/2 installation, you will need to download and
install DBI and DBD::mysql modules (available at CPAN or via links at
MySQL homepage). This can be a bit tricky on OS/2, you need to install
complete EMX/GNU development package for OS/2 first, including gcc
compiler/tools, GNU file and system utils, GNU make, etc. You will also
need to read lots of documentation about EMX development and porting of
*nix like apps on OS/2. After you'll be done with this however, the rest
is relatively simple. I have all of the above working under OS/2 here.

> Getting PHP to work in Apache on OS/2 is a pain in the ass, and I  think
>the only way to be satisfied will be to port PHP and compile it  into
>Apache yourself. There are a number of pre-compiled Apache  servers with
>PHP support on Hobbes, but they have the following  serious problems:

> They are badly out of synch with the current official OS/2 port of 
>Apache.
> They are poorly documented.
> I have yet to find one that is compiled to work with MySQL. They only
>work with mSQL.

There is at least one working version of Apache with PHP support, used in
production environment here, see:

http://www.os2.spb.ru/software/internet/apache/

This site (Russian Underground/2 - Unofficial OS/2 Support in Russia) used
to run on OS/2 MySQL/Apache/PHP3 but was resently migrated to OS/2
Java/JServ (Apache). Java is _much_ more flexible and sophisticated
approach to cleint-server solutions than CGI in general, including
database access.

> I have never been able to use PHP, Apache and MySQL together on an  OS/2
>machine at all. Even mod_perl seems to be nonexistant on OS/2,  which is
>really tough.

Building of mod_perl is at the top of my ToDo list. The problem with all
Linux software porting to OS/2 is that it is upgraded so fast one can
hardly follow the track. Right now, I am awaiting for Apache 2.0 for OS/2
release, makes no sense building any extensions for already obsolete
versions 1.3.x, IMO.

> I've had reasonable success with the WWW-MySQL program. It's a 
>preprocessor that supports a very simplified scripting language. You  can
>just about do looping and conditional statements in it, so you  might
>find yourself putting the bulk of your logic into the SQL  queries
>whenever you can get away with it.

I could not recommend spending your time on obsolete and unsupported
technologies, like various database engine-specific scripts, unless you
need some really quick and dirty solution. Learn either
Perl/CGI.pm/DBI.pm/DBD programming or Java/JDBC/JServ instead. This will
take some time but pays off.

Cheers,
Ivan

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From: jstuyck@home.com                                  15-Dec-99 12:21:22
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Embellish Install Workaround

From: Jim Stuyck <jstuyck@home.com>

There's a missing file, EPFIPII.DLL, in the recently released free
copy of full-function Embellish (see Warpcast for details).  This prevents
installation of the program.

The workaround I used is this:

1)  Create a directory for installing, i.e. md e:\emblsh
2)  Change to that directory, i.e. cd emblsh
3)  Copy ALL parts of EPF from the \netscape\siutil directory,
     i.e. copy e:\netscape\siutil\epf*.*
4)  Unzip the Embellish distribution file, i.e. unzip e:\embos2.zip
5)  Install the program, i.e. install

By copying all parts of EPF all of the files are at the correct level.

After installation, and after rebooting, you can delete the epf*.* files
from the Embellish directory.

Jim Stuyck

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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             15-Dec-99 13:57:21
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 10:26:21
Subj: Re: Problem starting Netscape 4.04 from Pronews/2, solved

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:25:17, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:
> 
> Compare your LIBPATH (and maybe your PATH) statements for differences,
> then.
> 

Buddy,
Yes it turned out that the Pronews directory was not in either PATH,
LIBPATH, or in the 'Working Directory' in the setup notebook.

Whilst checking, I found that I had not updated config.sys when I moved
Pronews on the PC that worked so PATH & LIBPATH did not contain the
right directory on that PC either, but the 'Working directory' was correct.

So it seems that the Pronews directory must be in either LIBPATH,
(PATH?) or 'Working directory'  --  atleast once.

Having made the corrections and then noting that the PC that originally
worked also had incorrect LIBPATH entries, I removed the references from
LIBPATH, PATH & the 'Working directory', rebooted and it still worked!

I guess it must have made/corrected an entry in an INI file somewhere and
that was sufficient. I haven't bothered to persue it further.
 
I still don't know why everything else worked and it just could not find
what it needed to launch Netscape, but it doesn't matter really.
It works now and that is the main thing.

-- 
Dave

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 14-Dec-99 22:24:15
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:08
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Not even close.  GEM existed by then, as did Windows 2, and there were about
>half a dozen PC UNIXen with X11 support by then (I used three of them).  So
>not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
>distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.

Any OS/2 user running XFree86/2 could certainly claim this.  :-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
          Do I BELIEVE in the Bible?!  HELL man, I've SEEN one

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         15-Dec-99 07:54:29
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:08
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jim Frost writes:

> So not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
> distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.

I guess that depends on what you call a "fully distributed" GUI.  There
is a product that will let you see the OS/2 desktop with a web browser.
That means you can run your OS/2 desktop from UNIX, for example.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 14-Dec-99 22:30:13
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:08
Subj: Re: Backup

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.apps, dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills)
spake unto us, saying:

>In article <38561199.16C0FD79@physik.tu-muenchen.de>,
>Thomas Bretz <tbretz@physik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote:
>
>>does anybody knows how to make a backup of the complete HPFS-Partitions
>>from which I can restore a fully functional system after a HD crash.
>
>An expensive option: Drive Image Pro by PowerQuest.

Even just plain old Drive Image will work fine.  I use it to back up
just about everything here now.  It handles disk partitions in every
filesystem format I've tried (and does FAT and HPFS intelligently).

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           Circular Definition: see Definition, Circular.

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  15-Dec-99 07:28:11
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:08
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article
<bHvq2TZKOoob-pn2-oSH94wKx41d9@slip-32-100-116-67.ia.us.prserv.net>,
  Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com (Dana Hartsock) wrote:
> Doug,
>
> Thanks for the info on Smartchache... I'll consider it. I
> just got around to installing Comm. 4.61 on Sunday. It
> definitely is rendering pages faster than 4.04l.  I haven't
> used it extensively yet. The various OS/2 Netscape browsers
> have all had one thing in common for me. Eventually they
> bring my system down. It is the only application I use that
> does that... I'm crossing my fingers 4.61 will play nicer.

Here it does, and as it seems for many other users as well: I
experienced some crashes of Netscape, but it did not take the whole
system with it as in earlier times! Only the problems I posted at the
origin of this thread still arrive sometimes (some pages loading
_extremely_ slow, while most others are faster than on earlier
versions).

One more important comment about SmartCache: For me it is the first Java
application I really use and where the typical "Java feeling" does not
come up, which is: nice, but SOOOO SLOOOOWWW and so much
SWAPPPINGGG..... This might be due to the fact that it doesn't use any
graphical user interface.

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: moschleg@erols.com                                15-Dec-99 02:51:18
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:08
Subj: pmview 2.0 scheduled for 2nd week?

From: Mark Schlegel <moschleg@erols.com>

The pmview web site says it's scheduled to come out the
2nd week of December.  Since it's now the 3rd week was
it delayed again?

Mark

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From: rgehrig@primenet.com                              15-Dec-99 01:00:03
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:08
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com>

On 14 Dec 1999 21:47:19 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

<snip>

You can get the latest Apache and PHP from
http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/

You must set permissions in the MySQL table user in the MYSQL database.

Get the O'REILLY book MySQL & mSQL. It has much information about the
database.

It also has a few examples of interfacing apache and MySQL with PHP.

Also there is a book by Leon Atkinson called Core PHP programming that has a
lot of useful information about PHP.

There are also a couple more books obout PHP and MySQL coming out in the
first quarter of next year.

Search on Amazon.com for PHP

I am using PHP and Apache 1.3.9 and MySQL all on OS/2.

My MySQL Database resides on another machine from the one running the apache
web server with the PHP module.

Also you can get a JDBC interface for MySQL that works well with Sun's
Staroffice.

You can edit tables directly with Staroffice.

e-mail me direct at robert.gehrig@mail.gdbarri.com if you have any specific
questions.

Hope this helps.


Robert Gehrig
rgehrig@primenet.com

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From: msuch@free.fr                                     15-Dec-99 08:39:25
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:08
Subj: Re: rxqueue rexx function

From: "Michel SUCH" <msuch@free.fr>

Hi,

Yes, I can make it work with an example like yours,
but what I would like to do is something like:

/* */
newq = rxqueue('create')
oldq = rxqueue('set', newq)
"@type test.dat | rxqueue"
do queued()
   pull ln
   say ln
end
...

What happens in this example is that the type command semms to go on
writing in the old queue, hot the created one.

The sample works if you don't create a new queue and simply use the
session queue.
So, I guess I miss something!
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:38:06 +0300 (MSK), Timur Kazimirov wrote:

>Hello Michel,
>
>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:56:13 GMT, Michel SUCH wrote:
>
>>Has anyone been able to use this.
>>
>>I am working for a while on a piece of code with:
>>newq = rxqueue('create')
>>the queue is created
>>oldq = rxqueue('set', newq
>>the queue seems to be set
>>
>>and after... impossible to pass anything to it.
>>
>>could anyone send me a working sample?
>
>Look for this short example. Hope it will help you
>
>=== Begin of PIPETEST.CMD ===
>
>/* Pipe test. Server part. Client part is READPIPE.CMD */
>
>Call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs'
>Call SysLoadFuncs
>
>Signal On Halt Name AllDone
>MyPipe = 'DTQ17'
>
>MyPipe = RxQueue('Create', MyPipe)
>OldPipe = RxQueue('Set', MyPipe)
>Do Forever
>  tt = Time('N')
>  dd = Date('L')
>  Say dd tt
>  Push dd tt
>  Call SysSleep 5
>End
>
>AllDone:
>
>Say 'Exiting...'
>Call RxQueue 'Delete', MyPipe
>Call RxQueue 'Set', OldPipe
>Exit
>
>=== End of PIPETEST.CMD ===
>
>=== Begin of READPIPE.CMD ===
>
>/* Pipe test. Client part. Server part is PIPETEST.CMD */
>
>Call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs'
>Call SysLoadFuncs
>
>Signal On Halt Name AllDone
>MyPipe = 'DTQ17'
>
>OldPipe = RxQueue('Set', MyPipe)
>Do Forever
>  Pull a b
>  Say a b
>  Call SysSleep 5
>End
>
>AllDone:
>
>Say 'Exiting...'
>Call RxQueue 'Set', OldPipe
>Exit
>
>=== End of READPIPE.CMD ===
>
>With best regards,
>Timur Kazimirov
>
>-- Remove all "z" from my address to reply
>
>
>

Michel SUCH - Team OS/2 FRANCE
ICQ # 51654489


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From: msuch@free.fr                                     15-Dec-99 08:53:27
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:08
Subj: Re: rxqueue rexx function

From: "Michel SUCH" <msuch@free.fr>

Fine,

I fanally found the solution!
Here it is:

/* */

   newq = rxqueue('create')
   oldq = rxqueue('set', newq)
   "@DIR *.* | rxqueue" newq
   do queued()
      pull line
      say line
   end
   rc = rxqueue('delete', newq)
exit

Michel SUCH - Team OS/2 FRANCE
ICQ # 51654489


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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               15-Dec-99 08:25:08
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Kim Cheung wrote:
> >This is a great idea. Have you done any projections on "in the home" cost
of
> >implementing Concorde? As I see it, it looks a bit expensive.
> 
> "Expensive" is always a relative term - of course.
> 
> The "in the home" cost will be determined purely by the qty produced and
> that's why we wanted to get some sense of that using a survey.    I would
say
> you shouldn't expect it to be less than a "few" hundred dollars.

Keeping in mind that I wasn't able to find any information at all on Concorde
looking at Serenity Systems' website:

If the cost is going to be in the, say, $300 range one wonders why you
wouldn't just buy a whole other machine to run Windows.  It's not like it'd
cost a lot more (or, probably, any more at all once you got done buying
Windows and the basic application suite retail versus getting it bundled).

Or, more generally: What's the point of an expensive software solution when
hardware is so cheap?

jim

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               15-Dec-99 08:02:06
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Dave Tholen wrote:
> 
> Jim Frost writes:
> 
> > So not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
> > distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
> 
> I guess that depends on what you call a "fully distributed" GUI.  There
> is a product that will let you see the OS/2 desktop with a web browser.
> That means you can run your OS/2 desktop from UNIX, for example.

I stand corrected.

In any case the claim that OS/2 1.1 was the first GUI-equipped OS for the PC
was dead wrong.

jim

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From: dtander@agt.net                                   15-Dec-99 15:02:27
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: dtander@agt.net (David T. Anderson)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:05:09, Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:

>> 
> Anyone know if there's a way to suppress the 10-second splash screen
> on the (commercial) Embellish?  I find it pretty irritating - does it
> exist in the free version?  Fortunately I managed to buy a second-hand
> copy of JViewPro, which does exactly what I want, so Embellish is now
> shelf-ware, but I'd like to get it going.

Hi Will -- I can't find any way to suppress the splash screen...I 
always thought it was an integral part of the program startup.  
Anyway, it only lasts 5 seconds on _MY_ system [grin].

I'm glad you're still happy with JViewPro...

David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta

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From: dtander@agt.net                                   15-Dec-99 15:06:02
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: pmview 2.0 scheduled for 2nd week?

From: dtander@agt.net (David T. Anderson)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:51:36, Mark Schlegel <moschleg@erols.com> 
wrote:

> 
> The pmview web site says it's scheduled to come out the
> 2nd week of December.  Since it's now the 3rd week was
> it delayed again?

A few last-minute bugs cropped up, but the GA release is being 
assembled right now, according to comments on the Beta mailing list.  
It could arrive at any moment.  I'm using the final beta version, and 
I have to say it's well worth the wait...



David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            15-Dec-99 15:38:24
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

Unless I am missing something, COMP does not seem to be able to compare
the files in subdirectories, only the files in the specified
directories.

Someone else suggested the GNU diff utilities. I have tried them, and
they seem much more useful, especially with the differ GUI frontend.

Alan

Dave Tholen wrote:
> 
> Why not use the COMP utility, which is part of the operating system?
> I verify all my data CD-Rs using COMP before deleting the original
> data from disk.
> 
> Type HELP COMP at a command prompt for more information.

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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            15-Dec-99 16:58:13
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: GPG for OS/2 ??

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:28:03 -0500, Mark Tucker wrote:

>Is there a port of GPG (Gnu Privacy Guard) for OS/2?  If so, where can
>it be down loaded?

The guy who ported PGP to OS/2 wrote that he will maybe port it too. It would
be available at  http://www.openpgp.net

cu

Adrian


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From: ajglass@bellatlantic.net                          15-Dec-99 16:19:21
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: ajglass@bellatlantic.net (Andrew J. Glass)

I had no trouble ordering, but they wanted $10 in addition to $9.95 for
shipping and handling.


In message <38566E31.2E2E3EC8@isomedia.com> - "David T. Johnson"
<djohnson@isomedia.com> writes:
:>
:>Symantec has released Norton Antivirus for OS/2 v5.0.  Unfortunately, if
:>you make a casual visit to their website you will find no mention of it
:>and their customer service representatives may disavow any knowledge of
:>it.  Their is a webpage at:
:>
:>http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_os2/
:>
:>So how to get this?  If you ask, Symantec reps may tell you that it is
:>for corporate customers only at 10 licenses minimum for $400 and that
:>they do not have an end-user solution for OS/2.  Definitely
:>discouraging.  BUT, as a part of their agreement last year, Symantec
:>agreed to supply a CD-ROM with Norton Antivirus for OS/2 for every
:>licensed user of IBM AntiVirus for OS/2 for just $9.95 shipping and
:>handling.  To take advantage of this, call Symantec at 800-441-7234. 
:>When you get a representative, be polite but persistent and ask for the
:>corporate queue for IBM Antivirus for OS/2 licensees.  Eventually, you
:>will reach someone who will be able to take your shipping and billing
:>information and get your order processed.  
:>
:>Antivirus protection for OS/2 is seldom needed but if you do need it,
:>this is an option.




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From: david@mensys.nl                                   15-Dec-99 17:07:03
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: DBExpert - looking for experienced users

From: "D.J. van Enckevort" <david@mensys.nl>

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:05:12 +0100, R.T. van Ovost wrote:

>Hi,
>Since a couple of weeks I'm trying to work with DBExpert.
>Lot's of troubles, but great support from Sundials Systems.
>
>However, I would like to know if other users migth have solutions to the
>
>outdated and bad performing ODBC drivers.
You should increase the cache for the ODBC drivers. The procedure is
described in the readme included with the latest fix for DbExpert.

>Queries with multi join relaions take a lot of time on my Pentium III
>450 MHz
>and 256 MB RAM.
>
>Share your experience!
>
>Ronald.
>



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From: mail@dontwannabesued.com                          15-Dec-99 16:40:08
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: mail@dontwannabesued.com (RCW)

>There's a missing file, EPFIPII.DLL, in the recently released free
>copy of full-function Embellish (see Warpcast for details).  This prevents
>installation of the program.

I found I was missing 3 files - all EPF*.DLL's which are in one of the
Netscape folders (as previously pointed out).  I copied these three
files to the OS/2 .DLL folder.  This worked fine for me.

I thank the Embellish folks for their gift.  It looks like very good
software.

RCW

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From: csaba_r@my-deja.com                               15-Dec-99 16:18:06
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: ibm works & y2k

From: csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly)

brbenne@no-spam.com (b) wrote in
<oraarggoehprqbgpbzabjpbz.fmn6gl0.pminews@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>: 

>Hi Jean, if you goto the IBM http://ps.software.ibm.com/  site there
>is a y2k section, and you can find all the IBM OS/2 updates.  

Or better yet, go to http://www.warpupdates.de/
That even makes sense :-)

[snip]

Csaba
-- 
Csaba Raduly,    Software Developer (OS/2),    Sophos Anti-Virus
mailto:csaba.raduly@sophos.com            http://www.sophos.com/
US Support +1 888 SOPHOS 9            UK Support +44 1235 559933
Life is complex, with real and imaginary parts.

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                15-Dec-99 18:13:22
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 21:17:21
Subj: Re: Bug in mkisofs with Joliet FS - missing files?

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <838mtu$ctp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rshum@my-deja.com wrote:
>I tried to backup a dir tree to CD-RW using mkisofs (1.12b5) and
>cdrecord. The OS is OS2 Warp 3.0 (fixpack 40).
>
>The root dir has some sub-directories. If some of the directories have
>similar names (like abc_fff, abc_ggg, abc_hhh, abc_iii etc), the
>files inside these subdirectories will not make it to the CD-RW.
>
>If I look at the CD-RW after burning, I can still see the directories
>but these directories will be empty.
>The filenames are less than 64 characters long.
>
>I move all these directories to another root directory, like
>root_dir/all_other_sub_directories
>root_dir2/abc_fff, abc_ggg, abc_hhh, abc_iii
>
>Then I burn these two root directories to the same CD-RW, there is no
>problem. All the files are there.
>
>This problem only happens to certain directory name, not all- say
>if I use efg_ as the base of those directories, there will be no
>problem.
>
>Did anyone else encounter this problem?
>

No. But just trying to understand the syntax of declaring what directory you
want copied and where-to is enough to make a guy drink. I undestand that these
utilities (mkisofs and cdrecod) are being ported from the unix world, but man
have a heart for us OS/2 users... :')

For instance, to backup a directory tree of: d:\files\os2 I have to use this
on a mkisofs command line: files/=d:\files\os2. Why not rearrange the input
parser to accept the more logical and more used: d:\files\os2 and create both
the "files" and "os2" directory? If you did like I did and used:
/=d:\files\os2
during a mkisofs session, you end up with all the files at \files\os2 at the
root level on the cdrom... that, my friend... sucks... :')

Also, I've noticed strangeness when copying complete drives to rom. Using the
"os/2 logical" syntax of: /=c:\ does not work over here, you have to specify:
/=c:/ to get it all on cdrom correctly... What the??? Unix anyone? :')

All that goofyness aside, I use cdrecord and mkisofs FAR, FAR more regularly
than RJS or UNITEcd... In fact, since the "32" release of cdrecord, I don't
bother with either of the commercial apps. No if I can ONLY get multisession
support to work 100%, I'd be a totally happy camper...

--

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*
*                              YOU AREN'T ALONE!                             
*
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*
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          15-Dec-99 23:32:04
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 21:17:21
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:33:21, Bob McLellan <bobmcl@ibm.net> wrote:
> 
>  I was sad to see that the author of Catch 22 died recently. I wonder if he
would
> appreciate the situation we may have in the software arena now.
> Say I am the developer of a graphics program (eg True Spectra) and I find
that the
> business is not successful. As a parting gesture to my customer set I make
the
> product available at no charge. I had a competitor (eg Embellish) who was
getting
> along, who now finds that their sales plummet because they are competing
against a
> comparable product that is free. Net result of what is clearly a very nice
gesture
> - no graphics developers.
>  Now I don't know if the True Spectra demise led to Dadaware shutting up
shop, but
> it sure wouldn't have helped. What is the answer. Do you have to be insane
to be
> in software development?

You're correct, it's not an area that seems to be a natural realm for 
getting rich quick. 

Historically, companies like IBM created their software as part of the
services they had already contracted to render, or included as part of
a proprietary hardware sale. But at the same time, there were *many* 
programmers creating code for their own use, freely sharing it back 
and forth to help each other get the specific job done. (In fact, any 
programmer who was *not* generous with his work to his fellows, found 
himself unable to get help with other bits of code he needed.)

The whole business of making software for profit is a new one, and 
probably equivalent to making music for a living. People will copy 
your records onto cassettes, trade them around, and blithely avoid 
paying your record company, and you, so you'd better find another way,
as a musician does in concert touring, to make what you need to live 
on. 

Companies setting up factories to make computer software are risky 
businesses of the highest order. They seem to be depending too much on
a very tricky mechanism, very new in concept and not yet fully 
workable and tested, for enforcing an idea of a right to transfer 
ownership of an intangible called "Intellectual Property". I'm not 
sure the two terms belong together at all, even inside the same pair 
of quotation marks. Part of software is Idea, part is Engineering, and
it's always been damned difficult to contain and control Ideas.

And I'll share that moment of silence on bended knee for our dearly 
departed Joseph Heller, whose first exercise in creating intellectual 
property kept me sane through an insane war. Yossarian Lives.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: gzimmer@attglobal.net                             16-Dec-99 00:17:16
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 21:17:21
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: gzimmer@attglobal.net

In <3856D3C0.FBBA69FB@ibm.net>, Bob McLellan <bobmcl@ibm.net> writes:

> I was sad to see that the author of Catch 22 died recently. I wonder if he
would
>appreciate the situation we may have in the software arena now.

If he'd read John Soyring's DOJ testimony, at
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms_testimony.htm, he
probably could have written a sequel. 'Catch 22/2' <wink>.

> Now I don't know if the True Spectra demise led to Dadaware shutting up
shop, but
>it sure wouldn't have helped. What is the answer. Do you have to be insane to 
be
>in software development?

In hindsight, I'd say 'recoginition value' is one of the key things. 
In the hey-day of heavy IBM promotion, OS/2 Warp got some
visibility in the press/retail stores. If that level of promotion still
existed today, I think you'd see OS/2 as a very viable market to
develop for in the SOHO market. Win alternatives are more popular now,
(for example the Linux variants) than they were in 1995.

I'd say it's more of a 'wrong time, wrong place' thing. It certainly has
nothing to do with the quality of OS/2 apps.

Gail Zimmerman
gzimmer@ibm.net

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From: chris@os2ezine.com                                15-Dec-99 23:04:20
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 21:17:21
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: chris@os2ezine.com (Chris Wenham)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:43:21, "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org> 
wrote:

> that's completely wrong. I don't know what you did, but mysql, php and
> apache are running VERY fine out of the box with apache 1.3.9
> at Netlabs.org and OS2.org !!!
> the version from http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/ is the best I know of.
> and the most actual version too
>  
> > They are badly out of synch with the current official OS/2 port of 
> >Apache.
>  
> also wrong. take a look at the mentioned url, and you'll find even a 
> developer version of apache 2.0. so what is out of sync !?

 I wanted to add that I criticized what I found on _hobbes_ and I'm 
confident that everything I said about the versions available there is
still true. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to try that 
archive first.

 Would it be possible for you to take the copy that you have and 
upload it to hobbes? That site of yours is either unreachable, or 
stalls in the middle of the download. It'd also mean everyone else 
only has one place to go, instead of combing newsgroups to get URLs.

>same as above.

 Is there much satisfaction in rebuffing the same thing five times in 
the same message?

Chris Wenham - editor@os2ezine.com
The views expressed are mine.

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From: an479@lafn.org                                    15-Dec-99 16:11:22
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 21:17:21
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:39:23 -0800, Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.) wrote:

>As an aside, could you, most highly esteemed reader, send me
>email
>describing to me the repeating glyph you see in the line
>underneath
>my email address in my signature below?  Is it a "C" or an "R"
>inside
>a circle, or any other glyph? 
>
>-- 
> ===>  tgal@pobox.com
>
>
>InfoBaHn on:  Rockwell, Netscape, InJOY, and OS/2
>____________________________________________________
>((( BOXER )))  fassst, 32-bit character mode editor
>
>http://www.boxersoftware.com/
>
>((( InJOY ))) INTERNET DIALER apparatus EXTRAORDINAIRE!
>
>http://www.fx.dk/injoy
>
>((( BLOWFISH ))) ENCRYPTION for users/developers.
>
>http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html
>

I make it out to be Ks in a circle.  I think it means you're Kosher.  :)

Jack P.

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          16-Dec-99 07:47:12
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 21:17:21
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On 15 Dec 1999 20:00:38 GMT, Per Backman wrote:

:>This did not work for me, in stead I had to run "EPFINSTS.EXE", then 
:>chose file/open etc and then find a file called "EMBELSH.ICF" and open
:>that to install. This worked, but now when I run "EPFINSTS.EXE" in 
:>Netscapes directory, it wants to do something with Embellish. It is 
:>not really a problem, now I know how to make it work.
:>
:>If this is the file, that Dadaware has been distributing as Shareware 
:>(or how was it distributed??), I can very well understand, that 
:>business has not been brilliant.

No, the version of Embellish that I paid for installed just fine.

Cheers

Wayne



******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: timurkz@saxz.mmbankz.ruz                          16-Dec-99 02:29:03
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 21:17:21
Subj: Re: rxqueue rexx function

From: "Timur Kazimirov" <timurkz@saxz.mmbankz.ruz>

Hello Michel,

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:53:55 GMT, Michel SUCH wrote:

>Fine,
>
>I fanally found the solution!

My congratulations to you!

>Here it is:
>
>/* */
>
>   newq = rxqueue('create')
>   oldq = rxqueue('set', newq)
>   "@DIR *.* | rxqueue" newq

Sure. If you omit the queue name in the line below the stdout is assumed


With best regards,
Timur Kazimirov

-- Remove all "z" from my address to reply



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From: j.welton@mailcity.com                             15-Dec-99 16:57:23
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 21:17:21
Subj: InnoVal/AFST Will Offer Newsgroup Access!

From: Jeff Welton <j.welton@mailcity.com>

I just read this at Warp City:

InnoVal/AFST Will Offer Newsgroup Access! 
   Wednesday , December 15 

   This Is A Warp City EXCLUSIVE: AFST (in partnership with Innoval)
   will be  announcing full newsgroup access for OS/2 users of ISP800.
   They are setting up the server today. This is a direct result of the
   many signups so far and the very constructive emails they received
   "strongly" but nicely explaining how important the newsgroups are
   to OS/2 users since they need usenet for tech support and product
   info in the OS/2 arena. Please read the (Pre) Press Release for more
   details.  We encourage you to take advantage of these low-cost
   exceptional high quality OS/2 ISP services. 

Jeff

Jeffrey D. Welton



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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               15-Dec-99 21:30:18
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 00:43:20
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

> : Not even close.  GEM existed by then, as did Windows 2, and there were
about
> : half a dozen PC UNIXen with X11 support by then (I used three of them). 
So
> : not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
> : distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
> 
> I'm not sure I would call X11 a "GUI". At least in my books (and probably
> many others), X11 or X-Windows is strictly a window manager. It doesn't do
> anything but exactly that, manage your windows. It's got window frames,
> and it's got icons, but you can't do anything with those icons, just
> minimize and maximize. Now slap on GNOME or KDE on top of that, now you
> have a GUI.

Strictly speaking X11 is just a remote rendering system.  The rest are
applications.  A window manager application does a lot of what you expect from
a GUI (frames around the windows, icon management, and such).  A collection of
tools and libraries makes up the rest.  X11 of course had all of that (and by
1988 had a whole bunch of different window managers) albeit a bit clunky and
ugly.  "Just minimize and maximize" was pretty much what you'd get from uwm,
but awm and twm and a handful of others were a lot more functional.  There was
even a funky lisp-based window manager.

> And why is it so important to be the first PC with a GUI? Even though
> other computers had it. Remember Atari ST machines? The Amiga?
> Heck, maybe those of you old enough will remember Commodore-64's running
> with GEOS!

I sure do remember GEOS, and the ST, and the Amiga.  The ST was
super-interesting because it was a terrific MIDI control system.  I had a
friend who called it "the poor man's Mac".  Honestly I thought the Amiga was
better done.  The Apple IIgs was out around that time as I remember too;
wasn't that ProDOS with a GUI shell?  I also remember the Lisa, it died the
death it deserved (though not as quickly or spectacularly as the Apple ///). 
Never saw an Alto or Star though.

jim

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               15-Dec-99 21:36:06
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 00:43:20
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Kim Cheung wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:25:17 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:
> 
> >Kim Cheung wrote:
> >> >This is a great idea. Have you done any projections on "in the home"
cost of
> >> >implementing Concorde? As I see it, it looks a bit expensive.
[...]
> >If the cost is going to be in the, say, $300 range one wonders why you
> >wouldn't just buy a whole other machine to run Windows.  It's not like it'd
> >cost a lot more (or, probably, any more at all once you got done buying
> >Windows and the basic application suite retail versus getting it bundled).
> >
> >Or, more generally: What's the point of an expensive software solution when
> >hardware is so cheap?
> 
> Why?   Because for the enterprise, the cost of the hardware is not the issue
> here.   Imagine having 64,000 desktops that has to have 2 monitors, 2
> computers, and so forth.   The TCO for ONE desktop is high enough - now you
> need to double that?

As I read it, they were asking about using it "in the home".  For "in the
corporation" I agree with you (that multiple boxes are bad), and in fact I'd
suggest that you toss the OS/2 boxes because you can get all the same software
on Windows and a whole lot more without the funky bridging stuff.

COO for NT is way lower than either OS/2 or Win9x (you can easily lock down
the configuration against changes, deliberate or accidental); it's a really
viable corporate system at this point and still way cheaper than this product.

> Besides, the two "brains" will be communicating with each other at PCI bus
> speed: not network speed.   We intend to make it as seamless as possible to
> the point where it will be pretty much like a Win-OS/2 session within OS/2.

More power to you.  You're gonna need it, no such product has ever succeeded
in the market, and OS/2 is a lot less healthy than others before it.

jim

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         16-Dec-99 02:50:18
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 00:43:20
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jim Frost writes:

>>> So not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
>>> distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
 
>> I guess that depends on what you call a "fully distributed" GUI.  There
>> is a product that will let you see the OS/2 desktop with a web browser.
>> That means you can run your OS/2 desktop from UNIX, for example.

> I stand corrected.
>
> In any case the claim that OS/2 1.1 was the first GUI-equipped OS for
> the PC was dead wrong.

But there's the old argument about what constitutes an "OS".

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    15-Dec-99 19:09:22
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 00:43:20
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <385787DA.5404BCDE@home.com>, Jim Stuyck <jstuyck@home.com> wrote:
>There's a missing file, EPFIPII.DLL, in the recently released free
>copy of full-function Embellish (see Warpcast for details).  This prevents
>installation of the program.

Hmmm ... My installation went just fine. Took mere seconds to
complete, and the program seems to run just fine (without need for a
reboot). But you are correct in that that file is not present in the
distribution. It is, however, present on my system, in 7 different
locations:

60,062 06-06-95  9:40a  D:\VID_UTIL\VIEWERS\PMVIEW\EPFIPII.DLL
45,214 07-20-98  2:00a  D:\...\OBJDESK.$BK\utility\OBJDESK\EPFIPII.DLL
45,214 09-26-98  2:00a  D:\UTILITY\OBJDESK\EPFIPII.DLL
45,215 01-10-97  1:04p  D:\INTERNET\NETSCAPE\EPFIPII.DLL
45,214 11-20-95  5:22p  D:\INTERNET\FTPD\TOOLS\EPFIPII.DLL
45,214 11-20-95  5:22p  D:\INTERNET\ACROBAT3\READOS2\EPFIPII.DLL
60,062 05-22-95 11:21a  D:\IBMCPP\EPFIPII.DLL

My guess would be that if the file is present, and in a location that
is already in your PATH statement (or LIBPATH), then it will be used.

Now, then ... my question has to be this:
If I have several obviously different versions of this file, and their
locations are in a LIBPATH or PATH statement, am I going to have
conflicts somewhere that could cause problems?


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From: chdove@home.com                                   16-Dec-99 01:35:02
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 00:43:20
Subj: Re: Printer driver

From: chdove@home.com (Clive Dove)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:31:01, jondrake@melbpc.org.au wrote:

> If I enter a new printer driver does that apply to all
>  programs, including DOS programs, running under OS2?  jd

No.

Any printer driver installed under OS/2  is for OS/2 applications.  

There is no printer driver for DOS applications. Each DOS application 
must have its own driver.  
WinOS/2 must have its own driver to print from Windows applicattions 
running under WinOS2.
For example, I have OS/2, DOS applications running under OS/2 
(principally WordPerfect 5.1 and an accounting program), Windows 
applications running under WinOS2, Linux applications running under 
Linux, and (regretfully) Windows 95 applications running under Windows
95.
For each machine, I must have an OS/2 driver for each printer,  I must
have a Windows 3.1 driver for each printer installed for the windows 
3.1 applications running 
under WinOS2, A WordPerfect printer driver for each printer for my 
WordPerfect program (my accounting program has its own built in 
printer driver) a Windows 95 printer driver for each printer running 
under Win95 and suitable filters and spools for each printer for 
Linux.

As my printers are an HP5 and a Lexmark Optra S1255, I had to download
four printer drivers from Lexmark and four from Hewlett-Packard.

Neither printer manufacturer supports Linux, but Linux comes equipped 
to drive both PCL and Postscript printers.



 

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From: ericb@pobox.com                                   15-Dec-99 11:01:17
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: Eric Bennett <ericb@pobox.com>

In article <8T3V4odSRgYO089yn@ibm.net>, James Knott <jknott@ca.ibm.com> 
wrote:

> In article <837hgj$6so$1@news.hawaii.edu>,
> tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) wrote:
> >Jim Frost writes:
> >
> >> So not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
> >> distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
> >
> >I guess that depends on what you call a "fully distributed" GUI.  There
> >is a product that will let you see the OS/2 desktop with a web browser.
> >That means you can run your OS/2 desktop from UNIX, for example.
> >
> 
> It's called "Desktop on Call".  There are OS/2, Linux and even Windows
> versions of it.  It does work, but is *SLOW*, even when running 
> Netscape on a Pentium 150 on a 16 Mb token ring lan, with both 
> computers on the same desk.  It's really strange to see the desktop 
> change almost instantly on the remote system and watch the same info 
> slowly appear on the local computer.

VNC has also been ported to OS/2.  I have not used that version, but I 
use VNC extensively on Digital Unix and Mac OS, and it is much faster 
than what you describe for Desktop on Call (I run it over 10baseT).

-- 
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ ) 
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology

I have no idea what you're talking about when you say 'ask'.
-Bill Gates, in his deposition in US v. Microsoft

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             15-Dec-99 07:18:21
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

David McKenna wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:01 -0500, David T. Johnson wrote:
> 
> >Symantec has released Norton Antivirus for OS/2 v5.0.  Unfortunately, if
> >you make a casual visit to their website you will find no mention of it
> >and their customer service representatives may disavow any knowledge of
> >it.  Their is a webpage at:
> >
> >http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_os2/
> >
> >So how to get this?  If you ask, Symantec reps may tell you that it is
> >for corporate customers only at 10 licenses minimum for $400 and that
> >they do not have an end-user solution for OS/2.  Definitely
> >discouraging.  BUT, as a part of their agreement last year, Symantec
> >agreed to supply a CD-ROM with Norton Antivirus for OS/2 for every
> >licensed user of IBM AntiVirus for OS/2 for just $9.95 shipping and
> >handling.  To take advantage of this, call Symantec at 800-441-7234.
> >When you get a representative, be polite but persistent and ask for the
> >corporate queue for IBM Antivirus for OS/2 licensees.  Eventually, you
> >will reach someone who will be able to take your shipping and billing
> >information and get your order processed.
> >
> >Antivirus protection for OS/2 is seldom needed but if you do need it,
> >this is an option.
> 
>     You wouldn't happen to have any actual names (first and last) of people
> at Symantec who know about this would you? I've been down this road three
> times and got nowhere. Every time I was told I *must* get the 10 license
> version and anyone who said otherwise didn't know what they were talking
> about (including IBM). When I persisted, they took my number and said
someone
> would call me. Someone did, and told me the same thing - 10 license version
> or nothing.

Sorry, don't have a name but *persist* in asking for the queue for IBM
Antivirus users and you will get the right place.  You are calling a
large call center and knowledge of this isn't very well communicated. 
Basically, the deal is that they give you the CD-ROM for $9.95 but your
license is your license for IBM Antivirus.  If you have 5 IBM Antivirus
licenses, then you have 5 upgraded licenses for Norton Antivirus for
OS/2.

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               15-Dec-99 09:27:23
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:25:17 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

>Kim Cheung wrote:
>> >This is a great idea. Have you done any projections on "in the home" cost
of
>> >implementing Concorde? As I see it, it looks a bit expensive.
>> 
>> "Expensive" is always a relative term - of course.
>> 
>> The "in the home" cost will be determined purely by the qty produced and
>> that's why we wanted to get some sense of that using a survey.    I would
say
>> you shouldn't expect it to be less than a "few" hundred dollars.
>
>Keeping in mind that I wasn't able to find any information at all on Concorde
>looking at Serenity Systems' website:
>
>If the cost is going to be in the, say, $300 range one wonders why you
>wouldn't just buy a whole other machine to run Windows.  It's not like it'd
>cost a lot more (or, probably, any more at all once you got done buying
>Windows and the basic application suite retail versus getting it bundled).
>
>Or, more generally: What's the point of an expensive software solution when
>hardware is so cheap?
>

Why?   Because for the enterprise, the cost of the hardware is not the issue
here.   Imagine having 64,000 desktops that has to have 2 monitors, 2
computers, and so forth.   The TCO for ONE desktop is high enough - now you
need to double that?

Besides, the two "brains" will be communicating with each other at PCI bus
speed: not network speed.   We intend to make it as seamless as possible to
the point where it will be pretty much like a Win-OS/2 session within OS/2.





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From: mike@lionsgate.com                                15-Dec-99 18:01:24
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: mike@lionsgate.com (Mike Stephen)

In message
<xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fmrga90.pminews@news.pacbell.net> -
"Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>Tue, 14 Dec 1999
21:30:09 -0500 (EST) writes:
:>
:>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:25:23 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
:>
:>>Hi Kim,
:>>
:>>This is a great idea. Have you done any projections on "in the home" cost
of
:>>implementing Concorde? As I see it, it looks a bit expensive.
:>
:>"Expensive" is always a relative term - of course.
:>
:>The "in the home" cost will be determined purely by the qty produced and
:>that's why we wanted to get some sense of that using a survey.    I would
say
:>you shouldn't expect it to be less than a "few" hundred dollars.
:>
:>Did you logon?   If so, go to that site that's referenced.   They have SRP
:>pricing for what they do.
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>


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From: delete-this.deimos@ms1.url.com.tw                 16-Dec-99 01:04:07
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj:  NAV/2 gĶ

From: "Deimos Jang" <delete-this.deimos@ms1.url.com.tw>

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  www.Deimos.Jang.com -> ϜϭAu@II OS/2 TCC_...
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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    15-Dec-99 17:17:23
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:22:31, tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) 
wrote:

> Why not use the COMP utility, which is part of the operating system?
> I verify all my data CD-Rs using COMP before deleting the original
> data from disk.

It's what I use....but a pain if there are lots of directories, and 
errors scroll off the screen.
-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: delete-this.deimos@ms1.url.com.tw                 16-Dec-99 01:14:12
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: I'm sorry...

From: "Deimos Jang" <delete-this.deimos@ms1.url.com.tw>

 Sorry for my poor english.

 I'm sorry. I post a message to error newsgroup... :Q  I want to post it
 to tw.bbs.comp.os2... Really Sorry!


--Deimos Jang
  www.Deimos.Jang.com -> ϜϭAu@II OS/2 TCC_...
  ftp.ch.hwh.edu.tw -> /OS/OS2/hobbes.nmsu.edu оxWƦ Hobbes
                       mirror ]Cϥs@^C


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     15-Dec-99 17:29:02
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:20:01, "David T. Johnson" 
<djohnson@isomedia.com> wrote:

> Symantec has released Norton Antivirus for OS/2 v5.0.  Unfortunately, if
> you make a casual visit to their website you will find no mention of it
> and their customer service representatives may disavow any knowledge of
> it.  Their is a webpage at:
>  
> http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_os2/
>  
> So how to get this?

Looking at the web page, and following the Commercial User's link, you
can find it. It is bundled with one of their very expensive packages.

Personally, I intend to forget about Symantec, and get the Norman 
Antivirus. Check out:

http://www.norman.no/

The demo seems to perform as well as any that I have seen (and much 
better than the Norton for Win9x, that I have seen -> That picture of 
Peter Norton is REALLY BAD <g>).

I also intend to take about a dozen other users (mostly Win9x users) 
with me (perhaps more, if this note gets out to enough people <g>). 
Too bad that Symantec didn't wake up, and properly support OS/2, from 
the beginning.

If enough OS/2 users can convince their friends (especially, WinXX 
users) to switch to something else, perhaps Symantec will notice that,
perhaps, there is a "problem". Of course, they would never be 
intelligent enough to figure out what that "problem" is.

Just my C$.03 ($.02 US)...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     15-Dec-99 17:29:00
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 questions

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:09:34, Dana_Hartsock@compuserve.com (Dana 
Hartsock) wrote:

> Doug,
> 
> Thanks for the info on Smartchache... I'll consider it. I 
> just got around to installing Comm. 4.61 on Sunday. It 
> definitely is rendering pages faster than 4.04l.  I haven't 
> used it extensively yet. The various OS/2 Netscape browsers 
> have all had one thing in common for me. Eventually they 
> bring my system down. It is the only application I use that 
> does that... I'm crossing my fingers 4.61 will play nicer.
>  
> Dana
> 

There are a couple of "gotchas" in 4.61. Have a look at:

http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html

for a LOT of good information. Also, if you have warp4 Fix Pack 12 
(or, I assume, the warp3 equivalent), there is a nasty bug in the 
PMMERGE.DLL file. Get PMR00052.ZIP from HOBBES:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/

and use that version of PMMERGE.DLL.

Another thing that seems to be a problem, is that large downloads seem
to just quit, for no apparent reason. There was an indication that the
problem was in the TCP/IP code. There is a fix (UN_980), that seems to
improve downloading by quite a bit (it is still not perfect, but it is
MUCH better). Go to:

http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html

and follow the link (at the bottom) to get the UN_980 TCP/IP updates 
(be sure to read the docs). This page has other good links to get your
OS/2 system up to date.

Then, there is JAVA. I suggest that you get, and install, JAVA1.1.8 
(if you don't already have it). You get that from:

http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm

And also get, and install, the latest JAVA updates from:

ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/

I have had a couple of Netscape crashes, over the last couple of 
weeks, but they have been clean crashes, without affecting anything 
else (and appear to be still related to the PMMERGE.DLL thing). All I 
needed to do was restart Netscape, and I was back in business.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: s369610@student.uq.edu.au                         16-Dec-99 03:40:20
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: mirc under win-os2

From: David Pershouse <s369610@student.uq.edu.au>

i tried to run mirc 5.61 the 16 bit version under winos2
it says that this application uses ctl3dv2.dll which isnt installed
properly, and i keep getting "network.drv" not found
i am running a dual boot machine in which os/2 can see my win95 partition
i have heard people running mirc in winos/2, and i am wondering
what network driver they used in windows, and how to get it running
thanks

--------------
David Pershouse s369610@student.uq.edu.au

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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              15-Dec-99 17:41:09
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Netscape Messenger

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

In message <38571533-nukewaste@wwivbbs.org> - "Dilbert Firestorm"
<wwiv@pppproject.org> writes:
:>
:>is there any way to stop netscape netcenter page from showing up in netscape
:>Messenger?
:>-
:>
:>
:>Origin: Nuclear Wasteland * 504-394-0509
:>
:>

	Yes, you did not say what version of Netscape you are using but I
think it can be accomplished in any version.  First, in Communicator,
pull down the "Edit" menu and click on "Preferences".  The first page
that opens has a box labeled 'Home Page' and in it will be the http
pathname to Netscape's home page.  Merely delete that and enter
whatever you wish to be your home page. When completed just click on
"OK" below and that's it.   
	In Netscape 2.02, I believe in the 'options' pulldown menu and under
"General Preferences" in a box labeled "startup". Something like that.
Hope this helps,

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          15-Dec-99 18:04:20
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:40:17, mail@dontwannabesued.com (RCW) wrote:

> >There's a missing file, EPFIPII.DLL, in the recently released free
> >copy of full-function Embellish (see Warpcast for details).  This prevents
> >installation of the program.
> 
> I found I was missing 3 files - all EPF*.DLL's which are in one of the
> Netscape folders (as previously pointed out).  I copied these three
> files to the OS/2 .DLL folder.  This worked fine for me.

That's not a very safe procedure to use, though in this case you're 
probably not going to get bit because IBM's development of EPFINST 
seems to have stalled at a '96 build. 

But if a newer version of any of those DLLs were to be distributed, 
your Install procedure then might pick up the older versions in 
\OS2\DLL (via your LIBPATH) and you could have problems. At least keep
"." entry (to look for DLLs in the current directory) at the front of 
the statement:

LIBPATH=.;xxxxxxxxx

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    15-Dec-99 18:42:12
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Andreas Linde <andreas.linde@os2.org> writes:
> 
> the problem is you mysql version. to use this new version the php-module
> has be to recompiled. or you have to wait for a new version from the
> location mentioned.

What version of MySQL should I use, then? And how do I set it up so that
PHP/Apache can talk to it?

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers  www.mp3.com/pawnshop
                               | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
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From: rshum@my-deja.com                                 15-Dec-99 18:33:20
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Bug in mkisofs with Joliet FS - missing files?

From: rshum@my-deja.com

I tried to backup a dir tree to CD-RW using mkisofs (1.12b5) and
cdrecord. The OS is OS2 Warp 3.0 (fixpack 40).

The root dir has some sub-directories. If some of the directories have
similar names (like abc_fff, abc_ggg, abc_hhh, abc_iii etc), the
files inside these subdirectories will not make it to the CD-RW.

If I look at the CD-RW after burning, I can still see the directories
but these directories will be empty.
The filenames are less than 64 characters long.

I move all these directories to another root directory, like
root_dir/all_other_sub_directories
root_dir2/abc_fff, abc_ggg, abc_hhh, abc_iii

Then I burn these two root directories to the same CD-RW, there is no
problem. All the files are there.

This problem only happens to certain directory name, not all- say
if I use efg_ as the base of those directories, there will be no
problem.

Did anyone else encounter this problem?


--
Regards,
Roger Shum


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: ccsten@usa.net                                    15-Dec-99 14:10:19
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:08
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: Terry Norton <ccsten@usa.net>

How about PMDMatch?  Compares directories including subs, plus it
can save snapshots as well.


Bob Eager wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:22:31, tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)
> wrote:
> 
> > Why not use the COMP utility, which is part of the operating system?
> > I verify all my data CD-Rs using COMP before deleting the original
> > data from disk.
> 
> It's what I use....but a pain if there are lots of directories, and
> errors scroll off the screen.

-- 

Terry Norton
Warped with OS/2

    A sign of the '90s:
       Your supervisor doesn't have the ability to do your job.

This OS/2 system uptime is 1 days 19 hours 40 minutes (en).

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From: isaacl@jazz.ece.ubc.ca                            15-Dec-99 19:41:00
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: isaacl@jazz.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Jim Frost (jimf@frostbytes.com) wrote:
: Nino wrote:
: > But OS/2 1.1 was maybe the most important OS/2
: > version ever : it's most important feature was PM, Presentation Manager,
: > fast
: > and reliable, that we still use today when running Warp.

: Fast and reliable?  Not that 1st version of PM!  It took them another two
: tries to stabilize it.

: > OS/2 1.1 is
: > thus the first operating system for PC with a GUI,

: Not even close.  GEM existed by then, as did Windows 2, and there were about
: half a dozen PC UNIXen with X11 support by then (I used three of them).  So
: not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
: distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.

I'm not sure I would call X11 a "GUI". At least in my books (and probably
many others), X11 or X-Windows is strictly a window manager. It doesn't do
anything but exactly that, manage your windows. It's got window frames, 
and it's got icons, but you can't do anything with those icons, just
minimize and maximize. Now slap on GNOME or KDE on top of that, now you
have a GUI.

And why is it so important to be the first PC with a GUI? Even though
other computers had it. Remember Atari ST machines? The Amiga?
Heck, maybe those of you old enough will remember Commodore-64's running
with GEOS!


Isaac

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From: jondrake@melbpc.org.au                            15-Dec-99 19:31:00
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Printer driver

From: jondrake@melbpc.org.au

If I enter a new printer driver does that apply to all
 programs, including DOS programs, running under OS2?  jd

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    15-Dec-99 19:11:02
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Robert Gehrig <rgehrig@primenet.com> writes:
> 
> You can get the latest Apache and PHP from
> http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/

I have them up and running.
 
> You must set permissions in the MySQL table user in the MYSQL database.
>
> Get the O'REILLY book MySQL & mSQL. It has much information about the
> database.

I have it. On p. 42 the 1st step on administration, to change the root
password, abends with "Process terminated by SIGSEGV". Not encouraging.
What is the default root password anyway? And how do I create a new user
account and grant permissions?

> It also has a few examples of interfacing apache and MySQL with PHP.

Where exactly? I read the whole book, and I can't find it.

> Also there is a book by Leon Atkinson called Core PHP programming that has a
> lot of useful information about PHP.

I have it. I have PHP scripts working on several servers, and I can use a
MySQL server that's been set up on a Unix machine. It's only getting MySQL
to work on my local machine that's not working.

Cheers,

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers  www.mp3.com/pawnshop
                               | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
The New York City Beer Guide   | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | www.mp3.com/jeniferjackson

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From: tgal@pobox.com                                    15-Dec-99 11:39:11
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <tgal@pobox.com>


Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> But if a newer version of any of those DLLs were to be distributed,
> your Install procedure then might pick up the older versions in
> \OS2\DLL (via your LIBPATH) and you could have problems. At least keep
> "." entry (to look for DLLs in the current directory) at the front of
> the statement:
> 
> LIBPATH=.;xxxxxxxxx

By the way, it always puzzled me why the Netscape README files
require
that the "." not be placed ahead of the Netscape paths, like
this:

LIBPATH=C:\USOF\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM;C:\USOF\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\JAVA;.;
...

Any SWAGS?


As an aside, could you, most highly esteemed reader, send me
email
describing to me the repeating glyph you see in the line
underneath
my email address in my signature below?  Is it a "C" or an "R"
inside
a circle, or any other glyph? 

-- 
 ===>  tgal@pobox.com


InfoBaHn on:  Rockwell, Netscape, InJOY, and OS/2
____________________________________________________
((( BOXER )))  fassst, 32-bit character mode editor

http://www.boxersoftware.com/

((( InJOY ))) INTERNET DIALER apparatus EXTRAORDINAIRE!

http://www.fx.dk/injoy

((( BLOWFISH ))) ENCRYPTION for users/developers.

http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html


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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               15-Dec-99 11:51:20
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:10:38 -0500, Terry Norton wrote:

>How about PMDMatch?  Compares directories including subs, plus it
>can save snapshots as well.

Ha...it's following the exact same discussions....

No, you don't want to use comp and no you don't want to use ANY of the
directory comparision utility programs.

COMP does a file by file compare.   That part is true.  But each time you run
it, it's a command.com operation.    When you have to walk through 600M of
stuff, it takes FAR FAR too long.

Directory compare is not enough - you still don't know if the files are the
same.

Damn.   That one program I ran into did it perfectly.


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From: pbackman@remoove.algonet.se                       15-Dec-99 20:00:19
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: pbackman@remoove.algonet.se (Per Backman)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:21:45, Jim Stuyck <jstuyck@home.com> wrote:

> There's a missing file, EPFIPII.DLL, in the recently released free
> copy of full-function Embellish (see Warpcast for details).  This prevents
> installation of the program.
> 
> The workaround I used is this:
> 
> 1)  Create a directory for installing, i.e. md e:\emblsh
> 2)  Change to that directory, i.e. cd emblsh
> 3)  Copy ALL parts of EPF from the \netscape\siutil directory,
>      i.e. copy e:\netscape\siutil\epf*.*
> 4)  Unzip the Embellish distribution file, i.e. unzip e:\embos2.zip
> 5)  Install the program, i.e. install
> 
> By copying all parts of EPF all of the files are at the correct level.
> 
> After installation, and after rebooting, you can delete the epf*.* files
> from the Embellish directory.
> 
> Jim Stuyck
> 
This did not work for me, in stead I had to run "EPFINSTS.EXE", then 
chose file/open etc and then find a file called "EMBELSH.ICF" and open
that to install. This worked, but now when I run "EPFINSTS.EXE" in 
Netscapes directory, it wants to do something with Embellish. It is 
not really a problem, now I know how to make it work.

If this is the file, that Dadaware has been distributing as Shareware 
(or how was it distributed??), I can very well understand, that 
business has not been brilliant.

Per B.

************************************************************
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In English, auf deutsch, po polsku;        
http://hem.fyristorg.com/pbackman/
ICQ UIN; 40714141
************************************************************

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          15-Dec-99 20:09:01
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:39:23, "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" 
<tgal@pobox.com> wrote:

> 
> By the way, it always puzzled me why the Netscape README files
> require
> that the "." not be placed ahead of the Netscape paths, like
> this:
> 
> LIBPATHC:\USOF\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM;C:\USOF\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\JAVA;.;
> ...
> 
> Any SWAGS?

If I understood it correctly when it first came up, it had to do with 
the updated version of PMDDEML.DLL that came with the Netscape package
needing to be found instead of the stock version in \OS2\DLL. I think 
the requirement has gone by the way, with later versions.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     15-Dec-99 20:27:25
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 15 Dec 1999 19:11:04 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

->On p. 42 the 1st step on administration, to change the root
->password, abends with "Process terminated by SIGSEGV".

I downloaded the latest version from hobbes.nmsu.edu yesterday and got
this on _any_ command that wanted an argument passed to it. Trashed the
3.22-26a version and went back and got the other, older, one and that
worked perfectly first time.


Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: weiss@tds.net                                     15-Dec-99 21:38:22
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: weiss@tds.net

In comp.os.os2.advocacy Bob Eager <rde@tavi.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:45:35, andrew@netneurotic.de (Andrew J. Brehm) 
> wrote:

>> Why? What's wrong with Innoval?

> This is the company that quietly dropped support for, first, their 
> newsreader, then (not so quietly) BOTH their OS/2 mail clients. 
> Leaving loyal users out in the cold.

Not at all. Innoval made Post Road Mailer and Jstreet available for *free*
after they dropped out. That's pretty darn generous. They didn't have to.

And Jstreet is still being developed at http://www.polarbar.org.

Considering how even IBM has dropped development for Warp client and there is
no reasonably sized client market left for OS/2, why should any company
develop for OS/2 unless  profit is meaningless?

It's a sad fact. We OS/2 users can use the client OS but there's little
incentive anymore to develop for it.

Jeffrey

> -- 
> Bob Eager
> rde at tavi.co.uk
> PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
> 8580*6,
> 8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: malstrom@yolen.oit.umass.edu                      15-Dec-99 17:06:29
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:09
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: Jason <malstrom@yolen.oit.umass.edu>

In comp.os.os2.advocacy e-frog <isaacl@jazz.ece.ubc.ca> wrote:

: I'm not sure I would call X11 a "GUI". At least in my books (and probably
: many others), X11 or X-Windows is strictly a window manager. It doesn't do
: anything but exactly that, manage your windows. It's got window frames, 
: and it's got icons, but you can't do anything with those icons, just
: minimize and maximize. Now slap on GNOME or KDE on top of that, now you
: have a GUI.

I wouldn't call X Windows a window manager.  It doesn't mininmize, 
mazimize or have icons.  Seperate programs called window managers do 
that.  X is made up of two parts, a server and client.  The client sends 
information about what's inside boxes to an X server.  The X sever 
displays these boxes in different places on your screen.  It also sends 
infomation about the keyboard and mouse back to the programs.  I'm over 
simplyfying it, but that's the general idea from what I can tell.

-Jason

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From: bobmcl@ibm.net                                    15-Dec-99 09:33:10
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:10
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: Bob McLellan <bobmcl@ibm.net>


gzimmer@attglobal.net wrote:

> I happened to be cleaning out a cabinet full of old OS/2 resources.  For me
> it was a sense of history and sadness.  Innoval and Joe View/Embellish
> were some of the early pioneers. There, from my first IBM catalogue, onto
> my first Indelible Blue catalogue, were these firms. My hat goes off to them
> for exiting extremely gracefully. They gave up their commercial software
> for free when they finally left the OS/2 realm.
>
> It is extremely rare to see this kind of spirit in the modern day computing
> world. Giving back to a community where they ultimately failed to 'make a
> buck', and yet still giving back to that very community, even in their
demise.
>
> To me it shows a love and a commitment to a certain way of computing,
> that I hope will never die.
>
> Gail Zimmerman
> gzimmer@ibm.net

 I was sad to see that the author of Catch 22 died recently. I wonder if he
would
appreciate the situation we may have in the software arena now.
Say I am the developer of a graphics program (eg True Spectra) and I find that 
the
business is not successful. As a parting gesture to my customer set I make the
product available at no charge. I had a competitor (eg Embellish) who was
getting
along, who now finds that their sales plummet because they are competing
against a
comparable product that is free. Net result of what is clearly a very nice
gesture
- no graphics developers.
 Now I don't know if the True Spectra demise led to Dadaware shutting up shop, 
but
it sure wouldn't have helped. What is the answer. Do you have to be insane to
be
in software development?

--
------------------------------------------------------
Bob McLellan
The Little Blue Kiwi
OS/2 Solutions for New Zeland


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From: chris@os2ezine.com                                15-Dec-99 22:05:00
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:10
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: chris@os2ezine.com (Chris Wenham)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:43:21, "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org> 
wrote:

> 
> that's completely wrong. I don't know what you did, but mysql, php and
> apache are running VERY fine out of the box with apache 1.3.9
> at Netlabs.org and OS2.org !!!
> the version from http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/ is the best I know of.
> and the most actual version too

 That URL is unreachable. Is there a mirror?

Regards,

Chris Wenham - editor@os2ezine.com
The views expressed are mine.

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From: wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net                    15-Dec-99 16:22:28
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:10
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net

Doug, I bought and registered Norman, v4.72, on your recommendation
(tacit as it was).  Man, I am having nothing but trouble with it - see
post in c.o.o.bugs this past Sunday for further details: error dialogS
cause program to shutdown or not even start or just locks up, after
executing NVCPM os2 will not shutdown now get out the boot disks and
CHKDSK over 4 gigs of space, unrecognized media, etc.   I've spent at
least 9 hrs trying to get the blasted thing to work.  Sophos, Panda,
Kapersky, McAfee all worked well on my tube.

After sending a note to Norman, Norman did give me a to be released
version, 4.73, stating fixes in 4.72 caused my problems.  4.73 fixed the
one error dialog (I had > 1) but another has popped up to replace it.  
And for the coup de grace, os2 will still not shutdown properly.   I
sent Norman an email stating 4.73 is not happening which was two days
ago.  Waiting for their response.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net
To reply, remove all capital letters and carets.
Wednesday, December 15, 1999 - 04:22 PM
"...they can't stop this thing called Jesus."  Big  Tent  Revival, BTR.
"Genius is 90% perspiration."  George  Gilder
---------------------------------------------------------------------


In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-2ghtCHpUF6H0@localhost>, on 12/15/1999 
   at 05:29 PM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:


Personally, I intend to forget about Symantec, and get the Norman 
Antivirus. Check out:

http://www.norman.no/

The demo seems to perform as well as any that I have seen (and much 
better than the Norton for Win9x, that I have seen -> That picture of 
Peter Norton is REALLY BAD <g>).

I also intend to take about a dozen other users (mostly Win9x users) 
with me (perhaps more, if this note gets out to enough people <g>). 
Too bad that Symantec didn't wake up, and properly support OS/2, from 
the beginning.

If enough OS/2 users can convince their friends (especially, WinXX 
users) to switch to something else, perhaps Symantec will notice that,
perhaps, there is a "problem". Of course, they would never be 
intelligent enough to figure out what that "problem" is.

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From: ZIKONYL@ibm.net                                   15-Dec-99 23:55:02
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 02:11:10
Subj: Re: DBExpert - looking for experienced users

From: Roberto Gainza <ZIKONYL@ibm.net>


"R.T. van Ovost" escribi:

> Hi,
> Since a couple of weeks I'm trying to work with DBExpert.
> Lot's of troubles, but great support from Sundials Systems.
>

I suscribe great support from Sundial Systems.

>
> However, I would like to know if other users migth have solutions to the
>
> outdated and bad performing ODBC drivers.

See the readme, and more cache.

>
> Queries with multi join relaions take a lot of time on my Pentium III
> 450 MHz
> and 256 MB RAM.
>
> Share your experience!
>
> Ronald.

My experience (with a 133Mhz 128Mb ram IDE33), is that the develop in
Dbexpert, is very fast, simple and power, but you have reason with the time
for procesor, but only with big tables 10Mb  to 30Mb, and intricate querys.
But the Start Office is more slow and intricate, that Dbexpert, and Lotus
without coments.
I think that Dbexpert is the better product for create full aplications, in
minimum time, and multi user, and  firm.
I can recomended to you, in the intricate querys, that you begin with the
query select more restrict,  and made many diferent test run. Only one query
is the better.


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From: kwilas@stardock.com                               16-Dec-99 03:50:12
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 03:34:19
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: kwilas@stardock.com (Kris Kwilas)

In article <8T3V4odSRgYO089yn@ibm.net>, James Knott <jknott@ca.ibm.com> wrote:
>It's called "Desktop on Call".  There are OS/2, Linux and even Windows
>versions of it.  It does work, but is *SLOW*, even when running 
>Netscape on a Pentium 150 on a 16 Mb token ring lan, with both 
>computers on the same desk.  It's really strange to see the desktop 
>change almost instantly on the remote system and watch the same info 
>slowly appear on the local computer.

That's more a function of the machines in question than anything
else. I run it over our 10Mb network at the office and, as an
example, when connecting to one of the servers (beefy PII-400
system running lots of stuff), it's faster working with that machine
via Desktop on Call than it is working locally on my PII-233
for general operations (I wouldn't do graphics design over it
though :). 

Kris

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               15-Dec-99 19:58:04
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 03:34:19
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:36:12 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

>As I read it, they were asking about using it "in the home".  For "in the
>corporation" I agree with you (that multiple boxes are bad), and in fact I'd
>suggest that you toss the OS/2 boxes because you can get all the same
software
>on Windows and a whole lot more without the funky bridging stuff.

Yes, lots of the Windows advocates would love to see OS/2 just disappear from
the surface of earth.   That's not going to happen.    But let's not get into
that.    We have significant reaction from enterprise because it means that
they don't have to spent hundreds of millions of dollars rewriting their time
tested line-of-business applications just so they can run these "funky"
Windows software packages.

We put up this survey just to see if it would mean anything for the
non-enterprise OS/2 users.



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From: nobody@nowhere.com                                15-Dec-99 21:30:13
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 03:34:19
Subj: Program to take line in to stdout?

From: nobody <nobody@nowhere.com>

Hi,

I seek a simple commandline program to redirect the line in and/or CD
Audio input of soundcard to stdout. This way there is easy redirection
into mp3 encoders for realtime streaming of live audio under OS/2!

Does a thing already exist, or should I make it myself? I am not
educated in mmos2 programming so If is already is out there, I can save
myself the trouble of learning something :-)

Thanks.

--
email address is fake (hi spammers!), please put replies to newsgroup!

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               16-Dec-99 03:14:25
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 04:48:28
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

> :>COO for NT is way lower than either OS/2 or Win9x (you can easily lock
down
> :>the configuration against changes, deliberate or accidental); it's a
really
> :>viable corporate system at this point and still way cheaper than this
product.
> 
> Show us something to back up your claims that Cost of Ownership is lower for
> NT that OS/2.  NT requrires more hardware than OS/2 and more support people
> per x number of users than OS/2.  There are banks using OS/2 that won't drop
> it for NT because banks hate spending money and if they switched to NT, they
> would need 3-4 times the number of support personnel and ALL new hardware
> from servers to desktops.

Unfortunately I have been unable to find a single TCO number for OS/2.  I
found a lot for various Windows systems, but this article is the most
informative:

http://www2.computerworld.com/home/online9697.nsf/All/971216gartner1B35A

Maybe you can dig up Gartner's numbers for OS/2?  That would be helpful.  I
would especially like it if you could find something that shows that NT
requires 300% more support people.  Frankly speaking I think you're confusing
NT with Win9x.

Assuming that you're going to have as hard a time finding this info as I did,
let's analyze where the systems differ in terms of cost so that we can at
least make some guesses as to relative expenditure.

Capital costs are very similar between all of these systems.  Back around the
end of 1995 when NT started to be a viable business OS you were talking about
$300 or so difference per seat (that's the extra RAM you needed for NT versus
OS/2, at about $10/MB, which is what I paid retail at the time).  Today that
difference is around $40.

OS costs are lowest for Windows; $50 or so for Windows 9x preloaded, $150 for
NT preloaded (most vendors sell NT upgrades for $100).  OS/2 can't be found
preloaded from any significant hardware vendor so you're looking at something
like $250 per seat (including the $50 you had to spend on Windows 9x because
of the monopoly arrangement).  If you're buying Windows aftermarket you're
talking about $150 for Win9x ($90 if you already have Win3.1), $200 for OS/2,
and $215 for NT.  Not a hell of a lot of difference there even full retail.

Application software costs are harder to gauge, but Windows has economies of
scale and so much competition that prices tend to be better than anywhere
else.  For the sake of argument let's just call that a wash.

So far we've come up pretty much dead even for OS/2 and NT in terms of capital
costs: more expensive hardware for NT, more expensive OS for OS/2, assuming
you are buying new hardware and get NT preloaded.  If you aren't -- and I
really don't mind going worst case here -- you're talking about $55 or so
difference between the two, or less than one percent of TCO (assuming OS/2 has
TCO more or less in the ballpark of an NC, which I think is optimistic for
reasons I'll explain in a minute).

So where are the big cost differences?  In a word, upkeep.

Hardware reliability is the same for all of these systems, seeing as it's all
the same hardware.  It may suck, but it sucks for all of them.  So that's not
it.

But maintaining the OS and applications -- meaning the number of times IT has
to come and repair a system that somehow got messed up, and the time they
spend doing it -- here we see big differences.

Windows 9x is horrible in this respect; installing or removing software can
hose a system easily, and there's nothing stopping a user from just up and
deleting the OS and/or application installation.  (This is the old "I ran out
of disk space but I found all these files in C:\Windows that I know I didn't
put there so I deleted them.  Now my PC won't boot.")  IMO Win9x is pretty
much a worst-case TCO scenario for the hardware platform.  About the only way
it's manageable at all is if you use something like Ghost that just does a
disk image reinstall -- and all that does is make the fix faster, not the
occurrances less frequent.

OS/2 has the same problem that Windows 9x does in that it's really easy to
destroy system software (that "I deleted stuff" problem again).  Thankfully it
wins big in two respects: most software doesn't go install new patches to the
OS (so installing or removing software doesn't tend to screw other things up),
and there's so little aftermarket software out there that users aren't likely
to be trying to install that nifty new game or screensaver.  So I will
definitely grant you that TCO for OS/2 should be markedly better than Win9x.

But NT ... well, NT is interesting from the POV of an administrator because
you can seriously lock it down such that it's really quite hard to muck with
the system software or applications.  No new software, no modifications to old
software, no ability to delete software.  Its big problem is that you have to
go visit each system to install or upgrade software (that registry thing is
just a cluster-fuck in terms of group system management) though of course
there are some fairly expensive tools out there to minimize that.  (I think
those tools mostly shift the costs from labor to capital, rather than really
saving anything, but YMMV.)  But if you want to install a fixed set of
software and leave it alone, well, NT is real good for that.

My personal choice for administering a boatload of systems is one or another
UNIX system.  It's just so damned easy to lock them down against user fiddling
and to maintain them in bulk remotely.  Unfortunately client software is darn
near nonexistant and the quality of what's there often leaves something to be
desired.  But if you can get software it's really hard to beat the TCO of
something like Linux.

Where you're making assumptions that may not hold is that you believe that
it's cheaper to keep using what you've got than it is to replace it.  It gets
harder and harder to justify that every year as parts and software become
harder to get, and as the cost of new hardware continues to drop.  I'm finding
that seven years is pretty much the limit for spare parts availability for
these things; after that you might as well toss it and buy a whole new system
if it breaks.  That is a great time to look at alternatives, of course, and
there are some pretty good alternatives to Win9x nowadays.

Whether or not one of those good alternatives is OS/2 is quite debatable.  IBM
has seriously curtailed ongoing development of the system; it has been in
maintenance mode for a couple of years, and we've even heard of potential
cut-off dates for that (2006 wasn't it?).  Drivers for a lot of new hardware
are impossible to get.  Very few ISVs continue to build -- or even maintain --
software for it.

About the only high point to OS/2 is that it has a pretty decent JVM, although
it's a year out-of-date at this point (even behind Linux, and that's pretty
bad) and no better than that available elsewhere even ignoring the fact that
it's out-of-date.  Personally I think that the Java-will-save-OS/2 story is
less than thin: client-side Java applications are even rarer than native OS/2
applications and generally much worse quality.

In summary: I think OS/2 has higher TCO than a well-managed NT system.  Not a
lot higher, but a bit.  I think the cost of just maintaining an OS/2 system
will grow substantially over time due to difficulty in replacing failing
hardware.  And I believe that software support for OS/2 is way down and
getting worse, even from IBM.  All of these things add up to a pretty tough
time justifying OS/2 long-term.  And if you can't justify OS/2 long-term then
you're crazy to spend hundreds of dollars per seat buying stuff to let you
shoehorn Windows applications onto it.

Rebuttal?

jim frost
http://world.std.com/~jimf

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               16-Dec-99 03:43:00
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 04:48:29
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Kim Cheung wrote:
> >As I read it, they were asking about using it "in the home".  For "in the
> >corporation" I agree with you (that multiple boxes are bad), and in fact
< >I'd suggest that you toss the OS/2 boxes because you can get all the same
> >software on Windows and a whole lot more without the funky bridging stuff.
> 
> Yes, lots of the Windows advocates would love to see OS/2 just disappear
> from the surface of earth.

I think that perhaps you have confused me with a Windows advocate.  That seems
to be fairly common around here; if you're not for OS/2 you must be a Windows
person.  I assure you that's not the case. Personally I advocate whatever gets
the job done with the least amount of hassles.  For me that's Linux nowadays,
though over time it has worked its way through CP/M, MS-DOS, BSD UNIX, SunOS,
Solaris, and NT.  I never found much value in Windows 3.1 or 9x, though the
latter is at least pretty good as a game console.  YMMV, of course.

Pragmatically speaking if there is some application you can't get any other
way than Windows (and let's face it, there are more than a few, which is why I
still run an NT box) then you probably ought to run Windows for it; it'll be
cheaper in the long run than some funky solution.

> We have significant reaction from enterprise because it means that
> they don't have to spent hundreds of millions of dollars rewriting their
> time tested line-of-business applications just so they can run these
> "funky" Windows software packages.

Those "funky" Windows software packages are the whole draw for your product. 
You're basically betting that the customer has so much tied up in OS/2 that
they can't afford to let it go, but they need those Windows applications bad
enough to pay hundreds of dollars extra on your stuff to get them.

That's going to be a real tough sell.  You'd be way more likely to sell
something that emulated OS/2 under Windows, though I wouldn't get anywhere
near that business model either.

I'm just an armchair quarterback on this one but my advice to you is to get
out now; there are much more fun and profitable things to be doing even if you
don't want to get anywhere near Windows.

jim

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  16-Dec-99 07:49:10
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 04:48:29
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article
<jORXtcYCR8l4-pn2-4YmS0LktMWw3@SPHERICALBURN.TAMPABAY.RR.COM>,
  donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:
[...]
>
> Historically, companies like IBM created their software as part of the
> services they had already contracted to render, or included as part of
> a proprietary hardware sale. But at the same time, there were *many*
> programmers creating code for their own use, freely sharing it back
> and forth to help each other get the specific job done. (In fact, any
> programmer who was *not* generous with his work to his fellows, found
> himself unable to get help with other bits of code he needed.)
>
> The whole business of making software for profit is a new one, and
> probably equivalent to making music for a living. People will copy
> your records onto cassettes, trade them around, and blithely avoid
> paying your record company, and you, so you'd better find another way,
> as a musician does in concert touring, to make what you need to live
> on.
>
> Companies setting up factories to make computer software are risky
> businesses of the highest order. They seem to be depending too much on
> a very tricky mechanism, very new in concept and not yet fully
> workable and tested, for enforcing an idea of a right to transfer
> ownership of an intangible called "Intellectual Property". I'm not
> sure the two terms belong together at all, even inside the same pair
> of quotation marks. Part of software is Idea, part is Engineering, and
> it's always been damned difficult to contain and control Ideas.
[...]

As a scientist who now dropped into the world of professional developing
(because informatics is more searched than science nowadays...) this is
a very interesting reasoning for me, because in a way science is in the
same position!

Some people say: "intellectual property" in the sense that it can be
bought and sold should not exist but ideas should be rather exchanged
freely at any time. Others will always ask: But what are
programmers/scientists supposed to live on?

There is another side: If this exchange does _not_ work, the community
_as a whole_ pays a very high price in that many things have to be
developed/found out many times because another one who already did it
doesn't want to hand it over so others can build on it! And this
obviously happens a lot in software industry!

I don't really know how to solve this problem, but I tend to like the
model how scientific results are handled that are paid for by the US NSF
or NASA etc.: There has to be enough interest in the question that
somebody pays for it in the first place, but then all results have to be
opened to the public for free, possibly after a "protection period"
which is rather short, something like 1 or 2 years.

In the informatics sector, we know companies that tend to sell
"services" or "solutions" (that may include some programming) and others
that depend on just selling "licenses": The first means being paid for
work that is actually done, the second is the way to get rich quickly if
you have the right product in the right moment - and to lose everything
if you don't! Would IBM and M$ be good examples for the two?? Maybe
still not 100%...(!?)

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>
Author of "PmAs - Astronomy for the Presentation Manager"
http://www.datacomm.ch/cobo


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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  16-Dec-99 07:54:18
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 04:48:29
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <yQbYdTtdfC2H-pn2-XUhTUtgJQM7b@localhost>,
  dtander@agt.net (David T. Anderson) wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:05:09, Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> > Anyone know if there's a way to suppress the 10-second splash screen
> > on the (commercial) Embellish?  I find it pretty irritating - does
it
> > exist in the free version?  Fortunately I managed to buy a
second-hand
> > copy of JViewPro, which does exactly what I want, so Embellish is
now
> > shelf-ware, but I'd like to get it going.
>
> Hi Will -- I can't find any way to suppress the splash screen...I
> always thought it was an integral part of the program startup.
> Anyway, it only lasts 5 seconds on _MY_ system [grin].
>
> I'm glad you're still happy with JViewPro...

Splash screens are just a nuisance in _any_ case and only make sense on
OS'ses where multitasking is virtually blocked while an application is
starting (which cannot be ours ;-)), so the user has something to look
at during that time!

When I start an internet session Netscape tends to be by far the slowest
program to load, so I can already read my mail or go into the usegroups
with other programs while it is starting - of course _only_ as long as
that stupid splash screen doesn't block the user interface!

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>


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From: jmandres@carbon.icb.csic.es                       16-Dec-99 11:04:06
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:05
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: jmandres <jmandres@carbon.icb.csic.es>

Well, I am waiting for VMware or freemware to have an usable system. I
know that VMware does not consider OS/2 as a host, just as a guest?, but
I could try. On the other hand, there is Odin, the Win9x emulation, or
Bochs. Where do you position your development? I understand your
enterprise point of view, but for SOHO or home users, free or cheap
software is a must.

Kim Cheung escribi:

> Serenity Systems markets a Managed Client(r) product which provides
> significant benefits to business users. We selected OS/2 as our
> desktop client for many reasons and one is the broad range of
> application support provided.
>
> However, we continue to receive requests to support Win32
> applications. Often this request is in addition to the requirement to
> run Presentation Manager or WorkPlace Shell applications, which are
> frequently Line of Business Applications.
>
> After reviewing the product solutions available, we determined that
> the best response to this requirement would be a hardware
> modification to the workstation, enabling the system to support a
> host operating system and guest operating system. Release 1 of the
> product is anticipated to support an OS/2 host and a Windows guest.
> The OS/2 support includes WorkSpace on Demand and OS/2 V4 (Merlin)
> with support for a Managed Client, run either as a diskless RPL
> client or as a traditional "fat" client.
>
> We have put an overview of this project on our web site
> (http://www.Serenity-Systems.com/), with an associated questionnaire
> which will help us through our product planning. Accessing the
> document requires that you have a valid log-on for the site. You can
> request a log on from Info@Serenity-Systems.com. Once you log on to
> the site, click on the Project Concorde image and, if it is
> appropriate, complete the questionnaire.

--
Jos Manuel Andrs
Instituto de Carboqumica, CSIC
Mara de Luna 12
50015 - Zaragoza
ESPAA / SPAIN
jmandres@carbon.icb.csic.es or jmandres@tornado.icb.csic.es


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From: dmhills@attglobal.net                             16-Dec-99 23:07:00
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills)

In article <3858501C.F8780073@frostbytes.com>,
Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com> wrote:
>
>COO for NT is way lower than either OS/2 or Win9x (you can easily lock down
>the configuration against changes, deliberate or accidental); it's a really
>viable corporate system at this point and still way cheaper than this
product.

You can't truly lock down NT. NT might be secure by itself or with many
3rd-party apps, but Microsoft's own products are so full of wormholes
due to their interdependency that it makes a mockery of the "lock down"
concept. For example, there is no way you can run Word while keeping the
user from opening a command prompt and running amok.

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           16-Dec-99 13:53:25
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <geribeurzfyrlqvnycvcrkpbz.fmt82f0.pminews@news.dial.pipex.com>, on
12/15/99 
   at 08:27 PM, "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> said:

>On 15 Dec 1999 19:11:04 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

>->On p. 42 the 1st step on administration, to change the root ->password,
>abends with "Process terminated by SIGSEGV".

>I downloaded the latest version from hobbes.nmsu.edu yesterday and got
>this on _any_ command that wanted an argument passed to it. Trashed the
>3.22-26a version and went back and got the other, older, one and that
>worked perfectly first time.

Odd, 3.22-26a works just fine here.

Cheers,
Ivan

-- 
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"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
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From: mcray@interlog.com                                16-Dec-99 10:59:27
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Netscape: long downloads lost

From: mcray@interlog.com (Raymond McKenna)


Season's greetings,

Netscape v4.61 doesn't manage long downloads as well as v2.02 
did.  I've seen changes in focus make he connection go away
without a trace.  I'm having to copy & paste the URL into v4.08
(Win-OS2) where the the long downloads almost always finish. 
Needless to say you shouldn't start something you can't finish. 
I believe v4.04 was worse.  The system is optimized for long 
back ground downloads.  PRIORITY_DISK_IO=NO  It's a stand-alone 
system using a 56k modem connection to the internet.  I've been 
tweaking everything since I noticed a performance degradation 
with v4.04.  It's taken me all this time to isolate the problem,
so there it is.  I trust someone else can take it further.

Netscape v4.61 is greatly appreciated.

Bye-the-way I've been getting double or triple characters since 
a couple of fixpaks ago.  Currrently FP12.  
  
Cheers,
Raymond.  



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From: cocke@catherders.com                              16-Dec-99 07:10:04
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:43:00 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

>Kim Cheung wrote:
>> >As I read it, they were asking about using it "in the home".  For "in the
>> >corporation" I agree with you (that multiple boxes are bad), and in fact
>< >I'd suggest that you toss the OS/2 boxes because you can get all the same
>> >software on Windows and a whole lot more without the funky bridging stuff.
>> 
>> Yes, lots of the Windows advocates would love to see OS/2 just disappear
>> from the surface of earth.
>
>I think that perhaps you have confused me with a Windows advocate.  That
seems
>to be fairly common around here; if you're not for OS/2 you must be a Windows
>person.  I assure you that's not the case. Personally I advocate whatever
gets
>the job done with the least amount of hassles.  For me that's Linux nowadays,
>though over time it has worked its way through CP/M, MS-DOS, BSD UNIX, SunOS,
>Solaris, and NT.  I never found much value in Windows 3.1 or 9x, though the
>latter is at least pretty good as a game console.  YMMV, of course.

That being the case, I would guess that you don't have to deal with any 
users but yourself or other computer literates.  At home, I support my 
wife and son, neither of whom are real interested in learning that
ls -l|sort|more is how you do a dir...  At work, I support around 100 
users who think a logon has something to do with a big tree.  Yeah, 
linux would go over real big...  (intense sarcasm).  And before you 
start telling me that I don't know anything about linux, let me tell you
that I was trained at SCO, and was a systems engineer at AT&T.  I know a
little about *nix systems.

>
>Pragmatically speaking if there is some application you can't get any other
>way than Windows (and let's face it, there are more than a few, which is why
I
>still run an NT box) then you probably ought to run Windows for it; it'll be
>cheaper in the long run than some funky solution.
>
>> We have significant reaction from enterprise because it means that
>> they don't have to spent hundreds of millions of dollars rewriting their
>> time tested line-of-business applications just so they can run these
>> "funky" Windows software packages.
>
>Those "funky" Windows software packages are the whole draw for your product. 
>You're basically betting that the customer has so much tied up in OS/2 that
>they can't afford to let it go, but they need those Windows applications bad
>enough to pay hundreds of dollars extra on your stuff to get them.

You're forgetting one thing - there's also a whole class of customer 
that would like (very much) to run one or more win apps, but cannot/will
not deal with the stability issues of windows on an enterprise level, 
the 'virus of the day', a never-ending series of compatibility and 
security problems...  

Personally, I'd love to be able to run a few win apps on either my 
system at home (OS/2) or my system at work (OS/2), but I _CANNOT_ risk 
the stability of 24/7 networks for the sake of that.

>
>That's going to be a real tough sell.  You'd be way more likely to sell
>something that emulated OS/2 under Windows, though I wouldn't get anywhere
>near that business model either.

VMware recently announced this product - Speaking both personally and 
professionally (Did I mention that I'm D.I.T.?), not interested.  That 
approach would trade OS/2's strong points (stability and 
the WPS) for compatibility with some application software that, while it
would be nice to have, isn't as impossible to live without as systems 
that remain online.

>
>I'm just an armchair quarterback on this one but my advice to you is to get
>out now; there are much more fun and profitable things to be doing even if
you
>don't want to get anywhere near Windows.
>
>jim
>

The only reason I haven't answered their survey (yet) is that I'm in the
middle of setting up another LAN and getting it tied into the enterprise
WAN - this is the first time I've stopped working in around 36 hours.

Off the top, if what they propose would let me run win98 apps without 
compromising stability and security (running win98), I'd spend up to 
$300.00 at home, and another $300.00 at work, just for my personal 
systems.  I'd expect to pay more for an enterprise solution, but would 
have to give it more thought before I actually approved it for general 
use.  I need another support issue like I need a lobotomy.


My $0.02



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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  16-Dec-99 11:17:29
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:11:44, J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:39:23 -0800, Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.) wrote:
> 
> >As an aside, could you, most highly esteemed reader, send me
> >email
> >describing to me the repeating glyph you see in the line
> >underneath
> >my email address in my signature below?  Is it a "C" or an "R"
> >inside
> >a circle, or any other glyph? 
> >
> >-- 
> > ===>  tgal@pobox.com
> >
> >
> >InfoBaHn on:  Rockwell, Netscape, InJOY, and OS/2
> >____________________________________________________
> >((( BOXER )))  fassst, 32-bit character mode editor
> >
> >http://www.boxersoftware.com/
> >
> >((( InJOY ))) INTERNET DIALER apparatus EXTRAORDINAIRE!
> >
> >http://www.fx.dk/injoy
> >
> >((( BLOWFISH ))) ENCRYPTION for users/developers.
> >
> >http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html
> >
> 
> I make it out to be Ks in a circle.  I think it means you're Kosher.  :)

=;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8  You have made my day.

But that's not what I see here. I see a "Copyright" symbol -- a C in a 
circle. But that's kosher too.

FWIW, the "kosher" certification is a U in a circle or a K without a 
circle. Off topic though this information is for this group, we would not 
wish to mislead anybody.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.


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From: Johannes.Hromadka@siemens.at                      16-Dec-99 12:33:17
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: Johannes Hromadka <Johannes.Hromadka@siemens.at>

Trevor Hemsley wrote:
 
 
> I downloaded the latest version from hobbes.nmsu.edu yesterday and got
> this on _any_ command that wanted an argument passed to it. Trashed the
> 3.22-26a version and went back and got the other, older, one and that
> worked perfectly first time.

I had the same problems.

Now I still use 3.22.16a-gamma on my OS/2 box.

This version is stale, works with apache and PHP3 and also cooperates
with other mysql servers on linux and HP-UIX.

    Hannes

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From: Johannes.Hromadka@siemens.at                      16-Dec-99 12:34:17
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: Johannes Hromadka <Johannes.Hromadka@siemens.at>

Pierre Jelenc wrote:
> 

 
> What version of MySQL should I use, then? And how do I set it up so that
> PHP/Apache can talk to it?

3.22.16a-gamma for OS/2 is a good choice.

	Hannes

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From: andreas.linde@os2.org                             16-Dec-99 12:39:21
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org>

hi

> I wanted to add that I criticized what I found on _hobbes_ and I'm 
>confident that everything I said about the versions available there is
>still true. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to try that 
>archive first.

ok. there you are right.

>
> Would it be possible for you to take the copy that you have and 
>upload it to hobbes? That site of yours is either unreachable, or 
>stalls in the middle of the download. It'd also mean everyone else 
>only has one place to go, instead of combing newsgroups to get URLs.

well, the problem is that for example the ssl version cannot be uploaded
to hobbes, because of legal issues.
I'll mail brian if he can upload the other actual version to hobbes.

> Is there much satisfaction in rebuffing the same thing five times in 
>the same message?

hehe, no.
just wanted mention that I already answered these questions above too.
so I am sorry for that.

>
>Chris Wenham - editor@os2ezine.com
>The views expressed are mine.

ciao

 andreas linde

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From: jstuyck@home.com                                  16-Dec-99 11:40:10
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: Jim Stuyck <jstuyck@home.com>


Dan Casey wrote:

> In article <385787DA.5404BCDE@home.com>, Jim Stuyck <jstuyck@home.com>
wrote:
> >There's a missing file, EPFIPII.DLL, in the recently released free
> >copy of full-function Embellish (see Warpcast for details).  This prevents
> >installation of the program.
>
> Hmmm ... My installation went just fine. Took mere seconds to
> complete, and the program seems to run just fine (without need for a
> reboot). But you are correct in that that file is not present in the
> distribution. It is, however, present on my system, in 7 different
> locations:
>
> 60,062 06-06-95  9:40a  D:\VID_UTIL\VIEWERS\PMVIEW\EPFIPII.DLL
> 45,214 07-20-98  2:00a  D:\...\OBJDESK.$BK\utility\OBJDESK\EPFIPII.DLL
> 45,214 09-26-98  2:00a  D:\UTILITY\OBJDESK\EPFIPII.DLL
> 45,215 01-10-97  1:04p  D:\INTERNET\NETSCAPE\EPFIPII.DLL
> 45,214 11-20-95  5:22p  D:\INTERNET\FTPD\TOOLS\EPFIPII.DLL
> 45,214 11-20-95  5:22p  D:\INTERNET\ACROBAT3\READOS2\EPFIPII.DLL
> 60,062 05-22-95 11:21a  D:\IBMCPP\EPFIPII.DLL
>
> My guess would be that if the file is present, and in a location that
> is already in your PATH statement (or LIBPATH), then it will be used.
>
> Now, then ... my question has to be this:
> If I have several obviously different versions of this file, and their
> locations are in a LIBPATH or PATH statement, am I going to have
> conflicts somewhere that could cause problems?
>

"Yes!"  I had a version of the EPF*.DLLs in a directory, in the LIBPATH,
that was WAAAY older than the other parts of EPF.  Got SYS3175s
each time I tried "install."  That's why, instead of a "selective" copying
of the EPF*.* files I copied all of these from the directory I found them
in, and they were all a few YEARS newer than other copies I discovered
(in a PMVIEW directory).

Jim Stuyck

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From: andreas.linde@os2.org                             16-Dec-99 12:41:19
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org>

hi

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:27:51 +0000 (GMT), Trevor Hemsley wrote:
>I downloaded the latest version from hobbes.nmsu.edu yesterday and got
>this on _any_ command that wanted an argument passed to it. Trashed the
>3.22-26a version and went back and got the other, older, one and that
>worked perfectly first time.

here some help from the apache mailinglist:

--snip--
>Anyone tried Apache/PHP with new OS/2 port of MySQL that was
>recently uploaded to Hobbes? I have made it crash (the server)
>when I tried to access it from Apache/PHP code. Is it somehow
>incompatible with old code and versions used?
>
No.
The new mysql (3.22.26a) uses another socket and you have to tell the server
to use the old socket
with a command line switch like this:
mysqld --socket=\socket\mysql.sock

The mysql utilities though will only use the new socket (the --socket switch
for them does not work)
and to use them you have to restart mysql with the new socket (just dont
specify any socket).

There is also a bug (?) in the pthreads dll that makes mysql trap when you
terminates the server.

I run Apache 1.3.9 with PHP 3.0.12 and mysql 3.22.26a on WSEB with no
problems.

With mysql 3.22.26a there is also a mysqldll.dll that allows you to write
C/C++ programs that
uses mysql. I had to write a few simple codes since ther is no implib
included but it works great.
My invoice app (C++) is now mysql based and could (if I ever would need it :)
use a mysql data-
base over the internet. Mail me if anyone want the code.
--snip--

I hope this helps

ciao

 andreas linde

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From: buggleboy@usa.net                                 16-Dec-99 06:56:03
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Re: InnoVal Seeks Support for Post Road

From: buggleboy <buggleboy@usa.net>

If there is going to be some additional support for Post Road Mailer, I
would like to request a small change. In addition to e-mail, I have also
been using Post Road Mailer for "News As Mail" and it works quite well for
my purposes. Howerever, there doesn't appear to be support for
userid/password to access newsgroups that require this (as there is for
e-mail access). If this support could be added, it would most appreciated.
Thanks.

             --buggleboy

Innoval@ibm.net wrote:

> InnoVal is seeking an individual, group or company interested in
> assuming full responsibility for the Post Road Mailer. We are
> particularly interested in someone who will enhance the OS/2 version.
> Selected individual or company will be free to port the application to
> other platforms, sell an enhanced version of the program, or offer it as
> shareware/freeware on any platform.
>
> Applicant individual, group, or company must agree to the following
> terms:
>
> * Current OS/2 version will be enhanced, to some extent, within four
> months.
>
> * If ported to another platform, the OS/2 version will be maintained
> first and kept at a functional level equal to or a step ahead of
> versions for other platforms.
>
> If interested, please send a brief resume and any other information you
> feel we should consider. Please understand that this is not an
> employment offer; we are not paying anyone; nor are we offering to sell
> anything. We are seeking someone to take over for us for the good of
> OS/2.
>
> For additional details, please see www.innoval.com.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: cfellows@execpc.com                               16-Dec-99 07:00:21
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:28:06
Subj: Star Office database

From: Cliff Fellows <cfellows@execpc.com>

Is there a way to have "list fields" (drop down lists of choices of
data) or equivalent appear when entering data in a form or a table in
Star Base? MS - Access has the option for drop down "list fields" and
"combo boxes" which make redundant entries easier. I like that feature.
Thanks for any help.
Cliff

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From: ivaes@hr.nl                                       16-Dec-99 14:31:01
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:19
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Illya Vaes <ivaes@hr.nl>

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
>That being the case, I would guess that you don't have to deal with any
>users but yourself or other computer literates.  At home, I support my
>wife and son, neither of whom are real interested in learning that
>ls -l|sort|more is how you do a dir...

What's more intuitive about 'dir' than 'ls' (or 'dir /ad' than 'ls -lt')?
Not to mention that a good sysadmin can/will araange for everybody that
"magically" does know 'dir' but not 'ls' to have an alias 'dir' that maps to
....   bingo! 'ls -l|sort|more' (BTW, you have to do 'dir /p' to get the
'more' part, so you're not comparing honestly at even this basic level).
And if you like to use "the Explorer" as an example, there are plenty of fine
file managers etc. for Linux etc. too.
Real non-argument.

>At work, I support around 100 users who think a logon has something to do 
>with a big tree.  Yeah, linux would go over real big...  (intense sarcasm).

Sorry, but I am irritated by this attitude in our "IS" support too.
If they (and you) did their work as support well, those users would have to
know diddly squat about 'ls' etc.
*You* OTOH would have to be able to grasp more than just point-and-drool.
The users aren't paid to know about computers, software, etc.; you are.
Of course, many a times "OK" IS staf will just be hindered by management, so
that they can not put any time into setting up a good environment (that will
subsequently be easier and cheaper to support); usually they just present
"Windows" (read "Microsoft") as a prerequisite beyond discussion.

-- 
Illya Vaes   (ivaes@hr.nl)        "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385           Not speaking for anyone but myself

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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            16-Dec-99 13:24:18
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:19
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net wrote:

 Doug, I bought and registered Norman, v4.72, on your recommendation
 (tacit as it was).  Man, I am having nothing but trouble with it - see
 post in c.o.o.bugs this past Sunday for further details: error dialogS
 cause program to shutdown or not even start or just locks up, after
 executing NVCPM os2 will not shutdown now get out the boot disks and
 CHKDSK over 4 gigs of space, unrecognized media, etc.   I've spent at
 least 9 hrs trying to get the blasted thing to work.  Sophos, Panda,
 Kapersky, McAfee all worked well on my tube.
 
 After sending a note to Norman, Norman did give me a to be released
 version, 4.73, stating fixes in 4.72 caused my problems.  4.73 fixed the
 one error dialog (I had > 1) but another has popped up to replace it.  
 And for the coup de grace, os2 will still not shutdown properly.   I
 sent Norman an email stating 4.73 is not happening which was two days
 ago.  Waiting for their response.

I'm curious...if Norman is giving you so much grief, whereas four other
anti-virus programs worked well, why did you register it? Why not just
forget about it?

Cheers,
Steve

Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517


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From: j.b.rem@hccnet.nl                                 16-Dec-99 15:01:21
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:19
Subj: netscape 4.61 mail attachment size?

From: Jan Bart Rem <j.b.rem@hccnet.nl>

I tried to send an MP3 file to a friend of about 3Mb. The email message
was compiled and sent, showing a total size of justover 4 Mb. After
getting to 60% or so the CPU load went to 100% and increased terribly
slowly to 72%, where I cancelled the transmission. Anyone know of size
limitations and/or a fix?
I am running Warp 3 with FP 40, matrox Millenium II and a 56K modem that
works just fine with Injoy 2.2.
Thanks

Jan Bart

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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   16-Dec-99 05:15:29
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:19
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:39:23, "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)"
> <tgal@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > By the way, it always puzzled me why the Netscape README files
> > require
> > that the "." not be placed ahead of the Netscape paths, like
> > this:
> >
> > LIBPATHC:\USOF\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM;C:\USOF\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\JAVA;.;
> > ...
> >
> > Any SWAGS?
> 
> If I understood it correctly when it first came up, it had to do with
> the updated version of PMDDEML.DLL that came with the Netscape package
> needing to be found instead of the stock version in \OS2\DLL. I think
> the requirement has gone by the way, with later versions.
> 
> --
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Buddy
> 
> Buddy Donnelly
> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com

On my system I have to keep NETSCAPE as the very first entry within LIBPATH.
If I don't do this, D&D capabilities vanish every now and then. Sometimes
work, sometimes not, sometimes limited ( no D&D to desktop, just to bookmark
).
With NETSCAPE first in LIBPATH, D&D is always there and fully functional.

Bye/2
Meinolf

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        16-Dec-99 14:10:05
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:20
Subj: Re: MO Disk & HPFS

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <noynvevozarg.fmt8rm0.pminews@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, "Alex Blair"
<aablair@ibm.net> writes:
>I am trying again to get HPFS support for a Fujitsu Dynamo 640 SE drive with
>the n512dasd.flt file as suggested by others. All is well when using the
>Fujitsu driver (modisk.sys) except that it supports only FAT drives.
>
>I have tried this on 2 systems but cannot get either to function properly.
>The last attempts on both systems show that a removable device is virtualized
>at boot time. However, the device is recognized as an ATAPI CD ROM drive, not
>an MO drive (or is the n512dasd.flt virtualizing the CDROM drive a second
>time?). What might I be doing wrong?
>
>Here are the pertinent config.sys lines from the home office system in
>(relative) order of appearance in the config.sys file :
>
>REM ** Optical Drive **
>rem BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /SHARE
>BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /ALL
>
>REM ** For HPFS support on Optical Drives **
>BASEDEV=N512DASD.FLT /v
>
>REM /rf Switch for Removeable Media
>REM BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /rf
>
>REM /of Switch for Optical Media
>BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /of /rf
>REM ** I have tried also the /of swith alone **

Where did you see these switches for OS2DASD.DMD documented?

According to my command reference (WSeB):-

 'This device driver has no parameters'

>REM ** SCSI Card **
>BASEDEV=SIGSCSI.ADD
>BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
>
>REM ** Fujitsu 3.5" SCSI MO Disk Device Driver (ver 2.1 US) **
>rem DEVICE=\OS2\MODISK.SYS /R1
>
>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Alex Blair
>ablair@ibm.net
>
>
>

There is another basedev - OPTICAL.DMD. See if that offers you anything...

Also, I've had some 128MB disks for many years and some of those used
HPOFS.IFS - HPFS for optical disks. This is no longer supported, but in
desperation might be worth trying. Not sure where you would find it, though...

--
John

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From: esko.kauppinen@ibm.net                            16-Dec-99 12:04:22
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:20
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:54:37 GMT, cbzh@my-deja.com wrote:

>Splash screens are just a nuisance in _any_ case and only make sense on
>OS'ses where multitasking is virtually blocked while an application is
>starting (which cannot be ours ;-)), so the user has something to look
>at during that time!
>
>When I start an internet session Netscape tends to be by far the slowest
>program to load, so I can already read my mail or go into the usegroups
>with other programs while it is starting - of course _only_ as long as
>that stupid splash screen doesn't block the user interface!

 I also see the splash screen max. 5 seconds out of which 3 seconds
 the program window is already visible under the splash screen.

 And I find the picture quite stylish and gives a professional look to
 the program.

 I use Object Desktop 2's virtual desktops to gain space.
 I click Embellish to start in one desktop and click to another to
 use e-mail, to third to use Win3.1 program etc.

 Esko


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From: tperri@nospam.prodigy.net                         16-Dec-99 14:14:25
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:20
Subj: Re: RSJ help request ... more

From: tperri@nospam.prodigy.net (Timothy N. Perri)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:35:23, SkidMARX@att.net wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 05:38:46, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On <1bMmtd7zwYPT-pn2-d8Y9TDwOoURq@localhost>, on 12/08/99 at 04:22 PM,
> >    SkidMARX@att.net said:
> >
> > > Hello,
> >
> > > I'm using Warp 4 with Fixpak 12 and having problems with the RSJ
> > > burning package.
> >
> > > The CDROM is on my secondary IDE port as a slave device.
> > > The burner I have is listed as a supported model - RSJ has the model
> > > number listed wrong.  They show it as a Memorex CW-4224 when actually
> > > it's a CD-RW4224, so I modified the cddrv.inf data file ...
> >
> > > ~ Because it's NOT scsi do I need to still load the RSJSCSI.sys  driver?
> > > ~ And the corresponding DMD file?
> >
> > Yes. Here is the RSJ segment of my config.sys where the atapi burner is
> > the only ide device:
> >
>
> You misunderstand.  I have NO scsi devices whatsoever.
> The drive is NOT the only IDE device.  I have three other IDE drives.
> Even with that the RSJ install program still added the SCSI based
> lines to config.sys
>
> > REM *** RSJ CD-Writer File System ***
> > BASEDEV=RSJIDECD.FLT
> > BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT -i:"ATAPI"
> > DEVICE=H:\CDWFS\RSJSCSI.SYS
> > IFS=H:\CDWFS\CDWFS.IFS
> > RUN=H:\CDWFS\CDWFSD.EXE -p "J:/TEMP" -c40000 -b8192 -t2 -i3 -s2
> >
> >
> > > ~ Does placement of the RSJ statements within config.sys have any
> > > bearing?  I've moved them to the begining of config.sys without any
> > > success.
> >
> > They should be at the end after all other file system drivers are loaded.
> > You must also rem out ibmidecd.flt.
>
> IBMIDECD.flt is remmed out by the RSJ install routine
>
> >
> > > ~ When the RSJ system is installed/loaded properly should I have a
> > > standard CDROM icon within "Connections" for reading typical data
> > > cdroms?  And then when I "attach" a blank cdrom using RSJ should I  then
> >
> > No. You must attach a disk for it to be seen by other than CDVIEW which
> > will only see track information, not file information.
> >
> > > have an additional icon for the attached disk, listed as whatever drive
> > > designator I used during the attach process?  This is my  understanding
> > > of the way RSJ operates.
> >
> > No. You misunderstand. In my case, I have volumes from C to J on my hard
> > disk. Drive K is my SCSI CD Rom. If I do not run attach, I do not have an
> > L drive. Once I attach the burner with either a writable or a written disk
> > in it, then and only then does L drive show up.
> >
>
> You say "K" is your CDROM.  Can you access it as drive K when RSJ is
> loaded?  If not, then why is it listed as "K"?

K is a different drive(he has a SCSI CDrom and a IDE Burner)
All normal CDroms will still show up as a CDrom only CDR or
CDRW will be changed to worm drives and not show up until
you attach them. These still can be written to via the CDVIEW
without attachment, this allows you to make copies of images.
If you attach, this uses the RSJ IFS and allows you to manipulate
the the CDR as a regular drive, copy directories, files or whatever.


> The "L" designation, I understand, after you attach a disk via the RSJ
> software.  For that matter, it can be whatever drive letter you assign
> to it during the attach process.  But if that is the ONLY way to
> access the drive (whether a pre-written disk, or a blank disk) then
> that just doesn't sound correct.



>
> If all I want to do is, say install Smartsuite 1.5 I have to first
> ATTACH the cdrom?
> That seems strange to me.  I believe you, mind you, but that just
> appears odd to me.
> I would think that using pre-written cdrom's would be the same as
> usually done.
>
> > > ~ If I just accept the default install parameters my drive is not seen
> > > as a "Worm" device, but if I use the -i:"BURNER_NAME" parameter when
> > > loading the LOCKFLT it is seen and listed as a Worm device, so I  assume
> > > the load was successful.  Does this make sense?
> >
> > The load was successful and it is working as it was designed.
>
> I realize the load was successful.  What I'm asking is, should the
> drive be identified WITHOUT the need for the -i: switch?  Afterall,
> the drive is listed in cddrv.inf and the install program doesn't add
> the -i: switch.  So I'm left to ponder.  Just because I can FORCE the
> drive to seen via the -i: switch does it really mean that it is
> actually setup to work properly ?
>
> >
> > > ~ If I rem out the Lockflt completely the drive is not indentied at
> > > all.  Is THAT normal?
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
>
> Thanks Bob for the input ...
> Being as we don't have many choices I REALLY want to get RSJ to work.
> I even tried a bootleg copy of Unite CDMaker.  It installed properly
> and appeared to write to  a blank disk.
> That is the screen prompts via the PM interface said it was, but the
> drive light never blinked or lit once so I know that was not the case.
>
> It's a bitch that Windows 2000 RC2 (a beta product) operates the drive
> just fine using the Adaptec EZ software.
>
> Anything else I can try?

There is also CDrecord/2 a freeware program.

>
> Gregory L. Marx
> skidmarx@att.net
>


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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            16-Dec-99 14:16:17
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:20
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Kim Cheung wrote:

 No, you don't want to use comp and no you don't want to use ANY of the
 directory comparision utility programs.
 
 COMP does a file by file compare.   That part is true.  But each time you
run
 it, it's a command.com operation.    When you have to walk through 600M of
 stuff, it takes FAR FAR too long.
 
 Directory compare is not enough - you still don't know if the files are the
 same.
 
 Damn.   That one program I ran into did it perfectly.

I have to agree that the GNU diff command (diff -rq dir1 dir2), suggested
by John Poltorak in another reply, is a quick and easy method listing only
the files which are different. Testing the diff command here at work, it's
very fast, but then almost everything is fast on an SGI Origin 2000 :-)

Cheers,
Steve

Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517



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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        16-Dec-99 14:28:29
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 10:57:20
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <991216140439.42520I-100000@bisv3.bedford.waii.com>, Steve Drewell
<bd83h@bedford.waii.com> writes:
>On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Kim Cheung wrote:
>
>=AF No, you don't want to use comp and no you don't want to use ANY of the
>=AF directory comparision utility programs.
>=AF=20
>=AF COMP does a file by file compare.   That part is true.  But each time y=
>ou run
>=AF it, it's a command.com operation.    When you have to walk through 600M=
> of
>=AF stuff, it takes FAR FAR too long.
>=AF=20
>=AF Directory compare is not enough - you still don't know if the files are=
> the
>=AF same.
>=AF=20
>=AF Damn.   That one program I ran into did it perfectly.
>
>I have to agree that the GNU diff command (diff -rq dir1 dir2), suggested
>by John Poltorak in another reply, is a quick and easy method listing only
>the files which are different. Testing the diff command here at work, it's
>very fast, but then almost everything is fast on an SGI Origin 2000 :-)

Thanks for that vote of confidence :-).

Diff is actually a superb utility although its syntax is a little arcane.

I was trying to find a combination of switches to ignore specific directories
using -x or -X but couldn't stumble across it, so don't know whether such
a feature works.

If anyone finds a way of doing this, please let me know.

>Cheers,
>Steve
>
>Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
>Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
>Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517
>
>

--
John

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From: cocke@catherders.com                              16-Dec-99 10:50:29
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 13:28:01
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:31:03 +0100, Illya Vaes wrote:

>
>>At work, I support around 100 users who think a logon has something to do 
>>with a big tree.  Yeah, linux would go over real big...  (intense sarcasm).
>
>Sorry, but I am irritated by this attitude in our "IS" support too.
>If they (and you) did their work as support well, those users would have to
>know diddly squat about 'ls' etc.
>*You* OTOH would have to be able to grasp more than just point-and-drool.
>The users aren't paid to know about computers, software, etc.; you are.
>Of course, many a times "OK" IS staf will just be hindered by management, so
>that they can not put any time into setting up a good environment (that will
>subsequently be easier and cheaper to support); usually they just present
>"Windows" (read "Microsoft") as a prerequisite beyond discussion.

The first two sentences say most of it.  It's real easy to criticize 
when you don't have to do the job.  I want to talk to a few users at the
company where you manage the IS dept.



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From: bv@bigblue.no                                     16-Dec-99 16:38:23
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 13:28:01
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: bv@bigblue.no (Bjrn Vermo)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:14:50, Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com> wrote:

> 
> Maybe you can dig up Gartner's numbers for OS/2?  That would be helpful.  I
> would especially like it if you could find something that shows that NT
> requires 300% more support people.  Frankly speaking I think you're
confusing
> NT with Win9x.

I do not remember the exact numbers, but there was a Gartner survey 
early last year which indicated that the annual operating cost per 
seat could be very significantly decreased by WSOD, and that some 80% 
of the user base did not need more than the WSOD thin client on a 
low-end or old PC or diskless workstation. Managing such a mixture of 
thick and thin clients is quite cost effective, and saves around half 
the operating costs. As somebody remarked, this is why many banks (who
hate unrelability as much as to waste money) stick to OS/2.
> 
> Assuming that you're going to have as hard a time finding this info as I
did,
> let's analyze where the systems differ in terms of cost so that we can at
> least make some guesses as to relative expenditure.

You could always ask IBM - they seemed to be rather pleased with the 
report.
> 
> OS costs are lowest for Windows; $50 or so for Windows 9x preloaded, $150
for
> NT preloaded (most vendors sell NT upgrades for $100).  OS/2 can't be found
> preloaded from any significant hardware vendor so you're looking at
something
> like $250 per seat (including the $50 you had to spend on Windows 9x because
> of the monopoly arrangement).  

IBM may not be a significant hardware vendor where you come from, but 
they are consistently one of the top three in the PC market here - not
to mention that they sell some rather heavier iron, too. As for 
others, I picked up the system I use right now from the shop around 
the corner with no OS installed. Admittedly, it comes from an 
insignificant company called A-Open, but the price/performance is good
and it is easy to run down and complain if there should be anything 
wrong with it.

Checking the mail order catalogs, I notice that the one-off cost of 
Warp 4 is just mid between Win98 and NT Workstation. A minimum NT 
server is cheaper than the WSeB, but if you need more than two CPUs or
a handful users the NT will soon become more expensive. If you compare
ready to run systems, you will also have to include extra management 
and backup software for the NT server. 

If you need more than a handful seats, buying OS/2 "right to copy" 
licences at corporate rates will soon make NT even more expensive in 
relation to OS/2. Using CID installs or WSOD will save a lot of 
installation effort in big networks. I doubt the total picture is all 
that much in favour of NT, especially after seeing who long it took a 
couple of whiz-kid programmers to install NT Workstation on their new 
computers last week.

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From: chdove@home.com                                   16-Dec-99 16:39:00
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 13:28:01
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: chdove@home.com (Clive Dove)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:27:46, "Kim Cheung" 
<kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:25:17 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:
> 
> >Kim Cheung wrote:
> >> >This is a great idea. Have you done any projections on "in the home"
cost of
> >> >implementing Concorde? As I see it, it looks a bit expensive.
> >> 
> >> "Expensive" is always a relative term - of course.
> >> 
> >> The "in the home" cost will be determined purely by the qty produced and
> >> that's why we wanted to get some sense of that using a survey.    I would 
say
> >> you shouldn't expect it to be less than a "few" hundred dollars.
> >
> >Keeping in mind that I wasn't able to find any information at all on
Concorde
> >looking at Serenity Systems' website:
> >
> >If the cost is going to be in the, say, $300 range one wonders why you
> >wouldn't just buy a whole other machine to run Windows.  It's not like it'd
> >cost a lot more (or, probably, any more at all once you got done buying
> >Windows and the basic application suite retail versus getting it bundled).
> >
> >Or, more generally: What's the point of an expensive software solution when
> >hardware is so cheap?
> >
> 
> Why?   Because for the enterprise, the cost of the hardware is not the issue
> here.   Imagine having 64,000 desktops that has to have 2 monitors, 2
> computers, and so forth.   The TCO for ONE desktop is high enough - now you
> need to double that?
> 
> Besides, the two "brains" will be communicating with each other at PCI bus
> speed: not network speed.   We intend to make it as seamless as possible to
> the point where it will be pretty much like a Win-OS/2 session within OS/2.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Of course it is not necessary to have two machines to run two 
operating systems, it is only necessary to partition your drive to 
provide an extra primary for the second operating system and to use 
the Boot Manager that comes with OS/2.

The real problem that I have, that this program possibly could deal 
with is that my government has written a title search and registration
program that all lawyers must use, but it only works on win95, Win98 
or WinNT, so every time I want to search a title or register a deed I 
have to shut down all running tasks on that machine and reboot to the 
other operating system.


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From: doug@hotrocks.msfc.nasa.gov                       16-Dec-99 15:51:06
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 13:28:01
Subj: WordPro Equation editor

From: doug@hotrocks.msfc.nasa.gov

Can some one please direct me to a news group / discussion group / list
server /etc. that deals with Lotus WordPro?  The equation editor in my
installation has lost its links to the greek letters.  :-(  The 3 lotus
math fonts are present and show as loaded in FontFolder.  The registry
and os2.ini entries all seem to be pointing into the correct
subdirectories.  Heck if I know what is wrong.

Doug Rickman

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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            16-Dec-99 16:48:14
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 13:28:01
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

On 16 Dec 1999, John Poltorak wrote:

 I was trying to find a combination of switches to ignore specific
directories
 using -x or -X but couldn't stumble across it, so don't know whether such
 a feature works.
 
 If anyone finds a way of doing this, please let me know.

When you say "specific directories", do you mean something along the lines
of ignore x:\mydir but don't ignore x:\myapp\mydir?

With the -x option, it looks like you can't specify the path so if you
ask to ingore "mydir" then both x:\mydir and x:\myapp\mydir will be
ignored.

Cheers,
Steve

Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517


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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              16-Dec-99 12:57:18
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:14:50 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

--snip--

:>Unfortunately I have been unable to find a single TCO number for OS/2.  I
:>found a lot for various Windows systems, but this article is the most
:>informative:
:>
:>http://www2.computerworld.com/home/online9697.nsf/All/971216gartner1B35A

I've been aware of that summary for quite some time.  Basically it says this.
 A Win95/98 PC costs $10,000 per year for TCO and a thin client or NT based
ZAK system costs between $6400 and $7900 approx per year TCO.

:>Maybe you can dig up Gartner's numbers for OS/2?  That would be helpful.  I
:>would especially like it if you could find something that shows that NT
:>requires 300% more support people.  Frankly speaking I think you're
confusing
:>NT with Win9x.


No confusion on my part.  I got the 300% more support people number from some
simple extrapolation of available facts.  Fact 1, Microsoft claims that using
the ZAK NT model, a single administrator can support 200-250 users, 300 max. 
Fact 2, there are quite a few very large banks using OS/2 in a RIPL boot
environment and they have been supporting 1200-1600 users per administrator
for years.  I was being generous with the 300% number as you can see.

:>Assuming that you're going to have as hard a time finding this info as I
did,
:>let's analyze where the systems differ in terms of cost so that we can at
:>least make some guesses as to relative expenditure.


--snip--

:>So far we've come up pretty much dead even for OS/2 and NT in terms of
capital
:>costs: 

--snip--

:>So where are the big cost differences?  In a word, upkeep.

Agreed.

:>Hardware reliability is the same for all of these systems, seeing as it's
all
:>the same hardware.  It may suck, but it sucks for all of them.  So that's
not
:>it.
:>
:>But maintaining the OS and applications -- meaning the number of times IT
has
:>to come and repair a system that somehow got messed up, and the time they
:>spend doing it -- here we see big differences.
:>

--snip--

This is too true.

:>OS/2 has the same problem that Windows 9x does in that it's really easy to
:>destroy system software (that "I deleted stuff" problem again).  

--snip--


There are a few things you are forgetting.  There are plenty of utilites,
commercial, shareware and freeware to lock down the desktop and prevent stuff
like that for OS/2.  Second.  In large environments, the use of remote access
tools like Netop, RSM or PCAnywhere can save a bundle in support time and
costs.  Third, OS/2 can be ripl booted, this is where the OS and applications
are loaded over the network from the server and executed locally on the
workstation.  OS/2 has had the ability for 10 years.  Using RIPL, even if a
user deleted key files, since they are on a server and it is easy to back up,
they can quickly be restored.  Or using a product like WiseManager from
Serenity Systems, the machine can be completely rebuilt in a matter of
minutes.  Basically the only reason to go to a users workstation is to
replace bad hardware or upgrade existing hardware.  Everything is done from
the server with great efficiency.  

:>But NT ... well, NT is interesting from the POV of an administrator because
:>you can seriously lock it down such that it's really quite hard to muck with
:>the system software or applications.  No new software, no modifications to
old
:>software, no ability to delete software.  Its big problem is that you have
to
:>go visit each system to install or upgrade software (that registry thing is
:>just a cluster-fuck in terms of group system management) though of course
:>there are some fairly expensive tools out there to minimize that.  (I think
:>those tools mostly shift the costs from labor to capital, rather than really
:>saving anything, but YMMV.)  But if you want to install a fixed set of
:>software and leave it alone, well, NT is real good for that.
:>

You pretty much said it all about NT here.  

:>My personal choice for administering a boatload of systems is one or another
:>UNIX system.  It's just so damned easy to lock them down against user
fiddling
:>and to maintain them in bulk remotely.  Unfortunately client software is
darn
:>near nonexistant and the quality of what's there often leaves something to
be
:>desired.  But if you can get software it's really hard to beat the TCO of
:>something like Linux.
:>

OS/2 can do this as easily as Unix.

:>Where you're making assumptions that may not hold is that you believe that
:>it's cheaper to keep using what you've got than it is to replace it.

--snip--

I never made the assumption that it is cheaper to keep using what I've got. 
I stated that OS/2 requires less hardware than NT to accomplish the same
tasks.  Here is a number for you.  I can provide a workstations and the
servers to support them for an organization for 50%-70% less than the numbers
for the NC or NT ZAK solutions in the article you pointed me to.  Here is a
the configuration.  PC or IBM 2800 with 64 megs ram, full sound capability
and no hard drive.  Software:  Office suite, Web browser other software used
for general office use.  Cost per workstation, $200 per month per workstation
on a 2 year contract.  I provide all the support for the workstations.  TCO
for the customer is $2400 per year per workstation.  This number works for a
site with 5-50 workstations.  With more workstations and depending on the
configuration, I can bring that number down to $150 per workstation.  The
beauty of it all is that I can administer it remotely.  Once I have a site
setup, it takes almost no effort to administer it.


:>Whether or not one of those good alternatives is OS/2 is quite debatable. 
IBM
:>has seriously curtailed ongoing development of the system; it has been in
:>maintenance mode for a couple of years, and we've even heard of potential
:>cut-off dates for that (2006 wasn't it?).  Drivers for a lot of new hardware
:>are impossible to get.  Very few ISVs continue to build -- or even maintain
--
:>software for it.

Let's see, Win95 support ended when Win98 was released and WinNT support is
going to go bye-bye when Win2000 is released.  MS stops support for old
products when they release a new product.  BTW, the cutoff date for OS/2
support you are refering to is for free support, you can still get support
from IBM for old products, you just have to pay for it.

:>In summary: I think OS/2 has higher TCO than a well-managed NT system.

You are wrong, as I illustrated above.

:>Rebuttal?

I think I rebutted you nicely.


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: hemo_jr@attglobal.net                             16-Dec-99 12:06:24
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: hemo_jr@attglobal.net (Matt Hickman)

In <PmRGDiEz74Uh-pn2-Pckj9ngdgRci@24.64.171.183.on.wave.home.com>, on 12/16/99 

   at 04:39 PM, chdove@home.com (Clive Dove) said:

>Of course it is not necessary to have two machines to run two  operating
>systems, it is only necessary to partition your drive to  provide an
>extra primary for the second operating system and to use  the Boot
>Manager that comes with OS/2.

Novell & IBM had a product a couple of years ago which allowed you to 
run a Netware server and and OS/2 simultaneously on the same
PC.  This was done by partitioning memory, disk space and CPU
cycles between the two OS's.  Don't know if the product is still
available.  They would talk to each other via a loopback driver
and the OS/2 would talk to the network via an NDIS to ODI mapping
and use the Netware servers driver.  You could even run the Netware
UI as an OS/2 window.

I would like to do something like this with a multiple CPU machine 
and support OS/2, NT and Linux all on the same machine at the same
time.  One keyboard on monitor and Three OSes running on the same
PC at the same time each having  pseudo network access to the other,
and having access to the net using a single wire into the PC.

With the CPU speeds, large HDs and low memory costs the way they are
today, something like this could fly.

-- 
Matt Hickman   
     He stepped to the machine and pressed a stud.  A 
     photostat popped out Monroe-Alpha unclipped it and handed it to 
     Hamilton without looking at it.  He had no need to -- the proper data
     had been fed into the computer; he knew with quiet certainty
     that the correct answer would come out.
                         - Robert A. Heinlein (1907-1988)
                          _Beyond this Horizon_ (c. 1942)

** Join the SETI@home club "The Heinleiners" go to
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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 10:02:22
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:39:00 GMT, Clive Dove wrote:

>The real problem that I have, that this program possibly could deal 
>with is that my government has written a title search and registration
>program that all lawyers must use, but it only works on win95, Win98 
>or WinNT, so every time I want to search a title or register a deed I 
>have to shut down all running tasks on that machine and reboot to the 
>other operating system.

That's precisely why multi-boot is not acceptable - particularly if the OS/2
side is running your LOB (line of business) application.

Concorde solves that problem.


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From: hemo_jr@attglobal.net                             16-Dec-99 12:26:24
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:15
Subj: Re: OS/2 1.1

From: hemo_jr@attglobal.net (Matt Hickman)

In <38551CC4.C4428E7B@dca.net>, on 12/13/99 
   at 11:20 AM, Bruce Kitchin <kitchin@dca.net> said:

>If you get the disks from someone (I don't have mine anymore), there is
>one possible problem.  OS/2 prior to version 1.3 was very hardward
>sensitive. The IBM versions ran only on IBM computers or very close
>compatibles. Mine were from HP since I had an HP computer.  So if you get
>them and they give you trouble, you may want to try various computers to
>see if there is one that is more compatible.

I used my MS diskettes on various PC makes.  I think if the machine is
truely PC campatible with EGA emulation for video etc and has a small IDE 
drive, it would work.  I dumped  my diskettes 10 years ago during a move
so I now longer have them.

-- 
Matt Hickman
     The firecontrol computer machines, chewing with millisecond
     mediation data from the analog, decide whether or not torpedoes
     can reach the target, then offer four answers: ballistic
     'possible' or 'impossible' for projected condition, yes or no
     for condition changed by one ship, or the other, or both, through
     cutting power.  These answers automatic circuits could handle 
     alone, but machines do not think.  Half of each computer is 
     designed to allow the operator to ask what the situation might 
     be in the far future of five minutes or so from now if variables
     change... 
          - Robert A. Heinlein _Citizen of the Galaxy_

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 10:33:13
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:57:37 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:

>Or using a product like WiseManager from
>Serenity Systems, the machine can be completely rebuilt in a matter of
>minutes.

Urrrr... not minutes, Chris - make that ....seconds...


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From: chris@os2ezine.com                                16-Dec-99 17:13:18
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:15
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: chris@os2ezine.com (Chris Wenham)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:39:43, "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org> 
wrote:

> 
> well, the problem is that for example the ssl version cannot be uploaded
> to hobbes, because of legal issues.
> I'll mail brian if he can upload the other actual version to hobbes.

 I've succeeded in downloading and installing a copy of Russian 
Apache, which advertises PHP support. While I have the server working,
I haven't tried using PHP yet. I can only hope it can talk to MySQL.

 From what I understand, PHP can be compiled as a .dll (dynamicly 
linked Apache Module) that any standard version of Apache above 1.3.9 
can load. If this .dll was available separately I'd be happy. I don't 
care if SSL is included or not.

Regards,

Chris Wenham - editor@os2ezine.com
The views expressed are mine.

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From: rgehrig@primenet.com                              16-Dec-99 10:24:11
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:15
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:41:39 +0100 (CET), Andreas Linde wrote:

<snip>

>I run Apache 1.3.9 with PHP 3.0.12 and mysql 3.22.26a on WSEB with no
>problems.
>

<snip>

Andreas

Are you running WSEB on a multi processor machine.

Thanks

Robert Gehrig
rgehrig@primenet.com

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        16-Dec-99 17:39:27
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:15
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <991216162128.42520K-100000@bisv3.bedford.waii.com>, Steve Drewell
<bd83h@bedford.waii.com> writes:
>On 16 Dec 1999, John Poltorak wrote:
>
>=AF I was trying to find a combination of switches to ignore specific direc=
>tories
>=AF using -x or -X but couldn't stumble across it, so don't know whether su=
>ch
>=AF a feature works.
>=AF=20
>=AF If anyone finds a way of doing this, please let me know.
>
>When you say "specific directories", do you mean something along the lines
>of ignore x:\mydir but don't ignore x:\myapp\mydir?

I mean a specific directory tree, such as \abc\xyz, so that everything from
xyz
onwards is ignored.

>With the -x option, it looks like you can't specify the path so if you
>ask to ingore "mydir" then both x:\mydir and x:\myapp\mydir will be
>ignored.
>
>Cheers,
>Steve
>
>Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
>Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
>Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517
>
>

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From: cwr@cts.com                                       16-Dec-99 17:51:01
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

David T. Anderson <dtander@agt.net> wrote:
: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:05:09, Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:

:>> 
:> Anyone know if there's a way to suppress the 10-second splash screen
:> on the (commercial) Embellish?  I find it pretty irritating - does it
:> exist in the free version?  Fortunately I managed to buy a second-hand
:> copy of JViewPro, which does exactly what I want, so Embellish is now
:> shelf-ware, but I'd like to get it going.

: Hi Will -- I can't find any way to suppress the splash screen...I 
: always thought it was an integral part of the program startup.  
: Anyway, it only lasts 5 seconds on _MY_ system [grin].

Interesting; it's so steady on 10 seconds I assumed it was a timer.
It must be some sort of cycle-count delay.  I'm running it on a
486 DX-4.

: I'm glad you're still happy with JViewPro...

One of my better buys.  I'm still cross that I delayed buying it until I
needed it; I should have known better.  With OS/2 software you grab it
when you can.


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com

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From: butthead.utias.utoronto.ca@                       16-Dec-99 16:49:29
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: butthead.utias.utoronto.ca@

Another nice graphics paint program for OS/2 is PhotoTiger. It is on
hobbes in:

/pub/os2/apps/graphics/imagepro/photo200.zip

Rambod Larijani

email:larijani@utias.utoronto.ca


In <WKzU4oHpviTP092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>Here in comp.os.os2.apps, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>I've been looking for a real, good paint application for OS/2, for
>>original hand-drawn graphics. (Not like Colorworks or even Photo>Graphics,
>>which are better at image manipulation. I have both, they're great for
>>their jobs)
>
>Have you looked at Embellish?
>
>  http://www.dadaware.com
>
>It looks like it's a freebie now (their web site says that Dadaware has
>closed their doors, which is sad -- Joe wrote good software [IMhO]).
>
>>So far, no luck, but I did find this page for Photogenics:
>>	http://www.paulnolan.com/news.html
>
>I agree that Photogenics looks like a VERY nice program.
>
>-- 
>   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
>      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>              Did you expect to find words of wisdom here?

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From: andreas.linde@os2.org                             16-Dec-99 19:15:13
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org>

hi
>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:41:39 +0100 (CET), Andreas Linde wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>I run Apache 1.3.9 with PHP 3.0.12 and mysql 3.22.26a on WSEB with no
>>problems.
>>
>Are you running WSEB on a multi processor machine.

no,
anyway, it was not my comment, this was taken from the apache mailinglist !!

ciao

 andy

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 10:12:12
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:16:35 +0000, Steve Drewell wrote:

>I have to agree that the GNU diff command (diff -rq dir1 dir2), suggested
>by John Poltorak in another reply, is a quick and easy method listing only
>the files which are different. Testing the diff command here at work, it's
>very fast, but then almost everything is fast on an SGI Origin 2000 :-)

When it does the "compare", is it doing a byte level compare of the file, or
just the directories?   Notice that we are not interested in whether certain
file is different (from a size, date time stamp point of view) - we're
interested in knowing if the CD-R is an exact replicate of the original.



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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   16-Dec-99 05:03:24
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


Kim Cheung wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:10:38 -0500, Terry Norton wrote:
> 
> >How about PMDMatch?  Compares directories including subs, plus it
> >can save snapshots as well.
> 
> Ha...it's following the exact same discussions....
> 
> No, you don't want to use comp and no you don't want to use ANY of the
> directory comparision utility programs.
> 
> COMP does a file by file compare.   That part is true.  But each time you
run
> it, it's a command.com operation.    When you have to walk through 600M of
> stuff, it takes FAR FAR too long.
> 
> Directory compare is not enough - you still don't know if the files are the
> same.
> 
> Damn.   That one program I ran into did it perfectly.

Hello Kim,

I don't know which program you ran in, but about two years ago I had exactly
the same problem of verifying CDRs. I used an MD5 package found on hobbes or
leo to create fingerprints of each file and redirected the output to file.
Did that for both source and CDR. Now I could easyly compare the two
report files. To make it more comfortable in usage, I built some REXX around
it.

Sorry I can't tell more details, as I can't access my archives right now
(MO drive temporarily out of order).

Bye/2
Meinolf

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           16-Dec-99 21:17:14
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <etruevtcevzrargpbz.fmuasm0.pminews@news.primenet.com>, on 12/16/99 
   at 10:24 AM, "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com> said:

Robert,

I'm not Andreas, but I do run WSeb + MySQL on a dual-CPU box and I can't
see any problems, even that file locking bug mentioned in the
documentation. However, this is a development machine, not a production
server and I can't figure out how to test if MySQL file sharing works
properly. If you have any specific tests suitable for this purpose, would
you please share with me?

Cheers,
Ivan

>>I run Apache 1.3.9 with PHP 3.0.12 and mysql 3.22.26a on WSEB with no
>>problems.

>Andreas

>Are you running WSEB on a multi processor machine.

>Thanks

>Robert Gehrig
>rgehrig@primenet.com

>Brought to you by the letters O and S and the number 2



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From: andreas.linde@os2.org                             16-Dec-99 19:23:05
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Andreas Linde" <andreas.linde@os2.org>

hi

> I've succeeded in downloading and installing a copy of Russian 
>Apache, which advertises PHP support. While I have the server working,
>I haven't tried using PHP yet. I can only hope it can talk to MySQL.

the russian version has some problems, and also isn't available in the newest
release, as far as I know.
one problem on aurora is that apache crashes (on my system) every few
minutes, especially when
running cgi scripts.
it also changes the codepage of the browser (somehow). so if I want to take a
look at a german website after viewing a page running with the russian
apache, all the german "umlaute" are borked.
I really recommend the version from brian harvard. its fast, stable and all
the modules are provided via dlls.

> From what I understand, PHP can be compiled as a .dll (dynamicly 
>linked Apache Module) that any standard version of Apache above 1.3.9 
>can load. If this .dll was available separately I'd be happy. I don't 
>care if SSL is included or not.

then download the version from brian hardvard. he provides one with and one
without SSL.
both are newest 1.3.9 code, and all modules are provided as dlls.

http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/

I already asked him to upload his version to hobbes. no response yet.

OS2.org is running apache 1.3.9 with php3 and ssl support from brian harvard.
I had no problems at all with this version. it's running really great.
Netlabs.org is using the same one.

Regards,

  Andreas Linde



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From: 953182526@worldnet.att.net@www.w...               16-Dec-99 18:44:03
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Embellish 

Message sender: 953182526@worldnet.att.net@www.worldnet.att.net

From: 953182526@worldnet.att.net@www.worldnet.att.net

To all the lovely people who inhabit this newsgroup and have offered comments
on installation problems with the free Embellish download:  Thank You.

It's been quite a while since my last visit to an OS/2 newsgroup, but I simply 
could not get Embellish to install and on the off chance that there was
something really obvious I might be overlooking (I *thought* the installation
download was missing a couple of dlls), I checked here, and lo and behold,
there was the answer.  The dlls could be found elsewhere on my system.  I did
a search, found them in another directory, copied them over to the os2/dll
subdirectory and that ended the installation problems.  Thank you so much.

Karen

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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              16-Dec-99 13:52:08
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

I was using worst case numbers.  Using typical number makes our claims too
unbelievable to those that don't understand or have not seen.

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:33:26 -0500 (EST), Kim Cheung wrote:

:>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:57:37 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:
:>
:>>Or using a product like WiseManager from
:>>Serenity Systems, the machine can be completely rebuilt in a matter of
:>>minutes.
:>
:>Urrrr... not minutes, Chris - make that ....seconds...
:>
:>


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 12:13:23
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:52:17 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:

>I was using worst case numbers.  Using typical number makes our claims too
>unbelievable to those that don't understand or have not seen.

For the built, worst case CAN take a few minute - but for the rebuilt, it
takes seconds.


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From: tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com                          16-Dec-99 14:01:13
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Cost of Ownership 

From: Timothy Sipples <tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com>

Last time I checked, the math worked something like this:

- OS/2 Warp "fat client" has about a 20% lower total cost of ownership than
Windows NT
- WorkSpace On-Demand (either flavor, but particularly the Optimized Client)
has a
  roughly 40% lower total cost of ownership than Windows NT

These figures represent the average of conservative third party models.  (In
other words, they could be underestimates.  There's some anecdotal evidence
to suggest that.)  The figures seem to be confirmed by what customers tell
us themselves.

By the way, IBM's services arm is very enthusiastic about helping companies
adopt Windows 2000.  It constitutes a large amount of services revenue, and
if companies are willing to spend the money, we're happy to help.  :-)

Some companies obviously choose Windows despite the fact that, on average,
it has a higher total cost.  If the benefits of that choice exceed the
higher cost, for each given user, then it's a wise business decision.  But
frankly we (IBM) would (generally :-)) like to see technology costs headed
lower, not higher.  Network computing and e-business is in large part about
lowering costs.

Chris Stumpf wrote:
> :>COO for NT is way lower than either OS/2 or Win9x (you can easily lock
down
> :>the configuration against changes, deliberate or accidental); it's a
really
> :>viable corporate system at this point and still way cheaper than this
product.
> Show us something to back up your claims that Cost of Ownership is lower for
> NT that OS/2.  NT requrires more hardware than OS/2 and more support people
> per x number of users than OS/2.  There are banks using OS/2 that won't drop
> it for NT because banks hate spending money and if they switched to NT, they
> would need 3-4 times the number of support personnel and ALL new hardware
> from servers to desktops.

-- 
Timothy Sipples
IBM Network Computing Software
Chicago, Illinois
Web: http://www.satdirect.com/aviation

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From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com                              16-Dec-99 19:47:12
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com (Brad Benson)

"Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> wrote:

] On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:57:37 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:
] 
] >Or using a product like WiseManager from
] >Serenity Systems, the machine can be completely rebuilt in a matter of
] >minutes.
] 
] Urrrr... not minutes, Chris - make that ....seconds...
] 

How is that possible?  Virtually all PCs take at least a minute to
boot from the time you press the power switch.  If you're excluding
the time needed to boot the operating system, load the disaster
recovery software, etc. then maybe it's possible.




Cheers,

Brad
replace "spamtrap" with "benson" in my reply address

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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              16-Dec-99 15:34:17
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

It's possible with a piece of software called WiseManager from Serenity
Systems.  Basically it is a graphical managment tool to make dealing with
RIPL booted workstations a simple drag and drop operation.  And by simple, I
mean simple.  Need to install a new email client on 30,000 machines, just
setup the program on the server and drag and drop it once.  It is now
installed on all workstations.  Rebuilding a messedup machine is a simple
menu item mouse click.  Boot time over the network is much faster than from a
hard disk due to caching.  Give me a call if you need more information my
number is in my sig.


On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:47:25 GMT, Brad Benson wrote:

:>] 
:>
:>How is that possible?  Virtually all PCs take at least a minute to
:>boot from the time you press the power switch.  If you're excluding
:>the time needed to boot the operating system, load the disaster
:>recovery software, etc. then maybe it's possible.
:>


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: mbcc1NOmbSPAM@attglobal.net.invalid               16-Dec-99 13:38:09
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: MikeB <mbcc1NOmbSPAM@attglobal.net.invalid>

I have IBM 2.1 and copied diskettes for 2.11 if you're not
able to obtain copies from IBM.  Will either of these help?


* Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related 
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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 12:40:05
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:47:25 GMT, Brad Benson wrote:

>How is that possible?  Virtually all PCs take at least a minute to
>boot from the time you press the power switch.  If you're excluding
>the time needed to boot the operating system, load the disaster
>recovery software, etc. then maybe it's possible.

Brad,

We are talking about the 'rebuid' time - not boot time.


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From: attglobal.net@attglobal.net                       16-Dec-99 10:11:16
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Backup

From: attglobal.net@attglobal.net (RJFREEM)

In <38561199.16C0FD79@physik.tu-muenchen.de>, on 12/14/99 
   at 10:44 AM, Thomas Bretz <tbretz@physik.tu-muenchen.de> said:

Xcopy has worked well for me upon numerous retores. Xcopy seem to have
difficulty with ea_data.sf, changing video cards, changing resolutions,
and there is the question of hard drive reliablity. I backup to four
different hard drives, one of which is removable. The hard drive cost is
about the same as a good tape drive and software. RJF

>Hello,

>does anybody knows how to make a backup of the complete HPFS-Partitions
>from which I can restore a fully functional system after a HD crash.

>Thx, 
>Thomas
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From: kenames@earthlink.net                             16-Dec-99 19:08:02
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: kenames@earthlink.net

Does MySQL have a client for OS/2 or an ODBC driver I can use to 
access the Mysql server running on a linux box?
On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:15:46, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:

> 
> Is there an OS/2 MySQL server? I found some hints of MSQL, but that won't
> do as I need to develop a database that will eventually run on MySQL on
> a Unix platform.
> 
> Pierre
> -- 
> Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers  www.mp3.com/pawnshop
>                                | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
> The New York City Beer Guide   | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com
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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 16-Dec-99 11:59:12
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <83b8q7$13mc$1@thoth.cts.com>, on 12/16/99 
   at 05:51 PM, Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> said:

>: Hi Will -- I can't find any way to suppress the splash screen...I 
>: always thought it was an integral part of the program startup.  
>: Anyway, it only lasts 5 seconds on _MY_ system [grin].

>Interesting; it's so steady on 10 seconds I assumed it was a timer. It
>must be some sort of cycle-count delay.  I'm running it on a 486 DX-4.

There are two types of slash screens:

 - those that obey the Logo Time property in System Setup -> System
 - those that are put up until the app is ready to interact with the user

I don't which type the Embellish splash screen is, but you might consider
checking the Logo setting.

Steven

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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 16-Dec-99 12:03:02
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <3856D3C0.FBBA69FB@ibm.net>, on 12/15/99 
   at 09:33 AM, Bob McLellan <bobmcl@ibm.net> said:

>shop, but it sure wouldn't have helped. What is the answer. Do you have
>to be insane to be in software development?

No, you just have to understand the risks.  The rule of thumb is 90% of
all business startups fail.  Software companies are no exception.  I don't
know the details of DadaWare's demise.  However, they had a cross-platform
product in a crowded market.  My guess is they had a difficult time
differentiating their product and getting visibility.

Frankly, I am amazed at how some software companies find enough sales
volume to manage to stay in business.

Steven


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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 12:17:21
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:03:49 +0100, Meinolf Sondermann wrote:

>Hello Kim,
>
>I don't know which program you ran in, but about two years ago I had exactly
>the same problem of verifying CDRs. I used an MD5 package found on hobbes or
>leo to create fingerprints of each file and redirected the output to file.

That must be IT!!!!   MD5!!!!    I am going to go look....   thanks.




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From: sjaniska@inet.hr                                  16-Dec-99 21:43:22
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: MO Disk & HPFS

From: "Sasa Janiska" <sjaniska@inet.hr>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:42:58 -0500 (EST), Alex Blair wrote:

>I am trying again to get HPFS support for a Fujitsu Dynamo 640 SE drive with
>the n512dasd.flt file as suggested by others. All is well when using the
>Fujitsu driver (modisk.sys) except that it supports only FAT drives.
>

Here is that what works perfectly in my setup (both FAT and HPFS).
...
BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT
BASEDEV=N512DASD.FLT /v
BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /of /rf
...
BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD 
REM (I'm using Fujitsu drive connected to Adaptec 1460 PCMCIA adapter)
...
BASEDEV=PCMCIA.SYS /P
BASEDEV=SS2PCIC2.SYS

>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>REM ** SCSI Card **
>BASEDEV=SIGSCSI.ADD
>BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
Have you tried to change this into 
BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
BASEDEV=SIGSCSI.ADD ?

I assume you have proper OS2DASD?
SIncerely,
Sasa



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From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca                       16-Dec-99 21:00:25
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: Graphics/Paint for OS/2?

From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

I'd like to thank everyone for their helpful suggestions, but no no no no
no....wrong idea.

There are a lot of photo-manipulation and image processing applications.
Defunct Colorworks, Photo>Graphics, Embellish, SX Paint...yes, I even
heard about PhotoTiger, and there is always GIMP, which I have tried. (For
Windows, there's Photoshop)
There are even some pretty good vector based graphics stuff, like DrawIt,
or in a pinch, you could pull out Maul or Freelance, or StarOffice suite,
or even run CorelDraw 5 under WinOS2.

But what I really, really want is a true graphics paint program along the
lines of DeluxePaint II. Try it. It is HORRIBLE for image manipulation! No
layers, one undo, no objects, etc....
It is, however, great as a replacement canvas, for generating artwork from
SCRATCH (i.e. blank screen!)
For example, pick your favourite from the list above. Try doing a
still-life fruit scene in pastel. I don't even know how to start!

I haven't been able to find a suitable replacement for ANY platform
yet, until I stumbled across Photogenics, which appears to be what I'm
looking for. (Another close substitute is Fauve Matisse, which is also
discontinued since being bought out by Macromedia).

This looked very promising, because i) it serviced the Amiga market which
is presumably much smaller than the OS/2 market, ii) sold for a reasonable
$99 for what you're getting and iii) it is highly portable to new
platforms.



Isaac


butthead.utias.utoronto.ca@ wrote:
: Another nice graphics paint program for OS/2 is PhotoTiger. It is on
: hobbes in:

: /pub/os2/apps/graphics/imagepro/photo200.zip

: Rambod Larijani

: email:larijani@utias.utoronto.ca


: In <WKzU4oHpviTP092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
: >Here in comp.os.os2.apps, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
: >spake unto us, saying:
: >
: >>I've been looking for a real, good paint application for OS/2, for
: >>original hand-drawn graphics. (Not like Colorworks or even Photo>Graphics,
: >>which are better at image manipulation. I have both, they're great for
: >>their jobs)
: >
: >Have you looked at Embellish?
: >
: >  http://www.dadaware.com
: >
: >It looks like it's a freebie now (their web site says that Dadaware has
: >closed their doors, which is sad -- Joe wrote good software [IMhO]).
: >
: >>So far, no luck, but I did find this page for Photogenics:
: >>	http://www.paulnolan.com/news.html
: >
: >I agree that Photogenics looks like a VERY nice program.
: >

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From: wadsack@ibm.net                                   16-Dec-99 11:52:06
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 16:52:16
Subj: Re: MO Disk & HPFS

From: "Peter Wadsack" <wadsack@ibm.net>

From the readme that came with Sam Detwiler's newDASD2,

"
------------------------------------
Parameters supported by OS2DASD.DMD
------------------------------------

/RF - "treat Removable media as a Fixed disk"
  This parameter will treat removable media as a fixed disk allowing
   it to be formatted as either FAT or HPFS and allowing removable
   disks to be partitioned.  See application notes above for a
   description of drive letter ordering.

/OF - "treat Optical disks as Fixed Disks"
   This parameter will cause all optical drives found to be treated as
   fixed disks. This will allow the media to be formatted as FAT or
   HPFS. Low level formatting of optical media is not supported at
   this time.  Media formatted previously by OPTICAL.SYS or
   OPTICAL.DMD will not be accessible (as described above in IMPORTANT
   NOTES #2). Media must be FDISK'd in order to be usable.

"

AFAIK, these are still true, despite the current 'no parameters' description.


On 16 Dec 1999 14:10:11 GMT, John Poltorak wrote:

:>  >
:>  >REM /rf Switch for Removeable Media
:>  >REM BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /rf
:>  >
:>  >REM /of Switch for Optical Media
:>  >BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /of /rf
:>  >REM ** I have tried also the /of swith alone **
:>  
:>  Where did you see these switches for OS2DASD.DMD documented?
:>  
:>  According to my command reference (WSeB):-
:>  
:>   'This device driver has no parameters'

Peter

*/------------------------------------------------------
Peter Wadsack <wadsack@ibm.net>
Wadsack Management; Madison WI USA
------------------------------------------------------*/


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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            16-Dec-99 21:12:01
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: RSJ help request ... more

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

I cannot get CDRecord/2 to work on my system. When I try to access my
CD-RW drive (Yamaha CRW6416SZ) with it, it brings the whole system down:
black screen and nothing works: not even CAD or Process Commander.

The RSJ CDWrite program works fine. I wish it were a whole lot cheaper.

Alan


"Timothy N. Perri" wrote:

 <big snip>
> 
> There is also CDrecord/2 a freeware program.
>

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     16-Dec-99 21:31:05
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: Printer driver

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:31:01, jondrake@melbpc.org.au wrote:

> If I enter a new printer driver does that apply to all
>  programs, including DOS programs, running under OS2?  jd

DOS, and/or WinOS2, don't really use the OS/2 printer drivers. They 
just use enough of them to get the data to the OS/2 spooler. DOS, and 
WinOS2 use their own printer drivers (or, none at all).

Normally, the output from DOS (or WinOS2) just goes to the default 
printer, which just passes the data on to the spooler, which passes it
on to the printer. That data is created by the DOS, or WinOS2 program,
which may, or may not, use a windows (or DOS program) driver to create
the data. 

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     16-Dec-99 21:30:29
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: netscape 4.61 mail attachment size?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:01:43, Jan Bart Rem <j.b.rem@hccnet.nl> wrote:

> I tried to send an MP3 file to a friend of about 3Mb. The email message
> was compiled and sent, showing a total size of justover 4 Mb. After
> getting to 60% or so the CPU load went to 100% and increased terribly
> slowly to 72%, where I cancelled the transmission. Anyone know of size
> limitations and/or a fix?
> I am running Warp 3 with FP 40, matrox Millenium II and a 56K modem that
> works just fine with Injoy 2.2.
> Thanks
> 
> Jan Bart
> 

I don't know if you have a Netscape problem, or an e-mail restriction.
Some mail boxes (mine, included) are not all that big. A single 3 meg 
e-mail will overflow my mail box (I share that same space with 5 other
people), and it will be rejected as being too big to fit. If this is 
the case, the only option that you have, is to split the file into 
multiple parts, then send the parts far enough apart to allow the 
reciever to download each part before you send the next. I use a 
package called UUCODE (which is two programs, UUEncode, and UUDecode) 
to split the file up, and reassemble it (of course the other end needs
a compatible program, to put the file back together). 

There could be a problem with Netscape, and large e-mail attachments 
(I know that older, windows, versions of Netscape had major problems 
with files much larger than about 500K). The best way to avoid those 
problems, is to use a real e-mail program. I prefer PMMail, but others
like MR/2 ICE or, the now free (I think), Post Road mailer (there are 
many more).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     16-Dec-99 21:31:04
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:22:56, wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net wrote:

> Doug, I bought and registered Norman, v4.72, on your recommendation
> (tacit as it was).  Man, I am having nothing but trouble with it - see
> post in c.o.o.bugs this past Sunday for further details: error dialogS
> cause program to shutdown or not even start or just locks up, after
> executing NVCPM os2 will not shutdown now get out the boot disks and
> CHKDSK over 4 gigs of space, unrecognized media, etc.   I've spent at
> least 9 hrs trying to get the blasted thing to work.  Sophos, Panda,
> Kapersky, McAfee all worked well on my tube.
> 
> After sending a note to Norman, Norman did give me a to be released
> version, 4.73, stating fixes in 4.72 caused my problems.  4.73 fixed the
> one error dialog (I had > 1) but another has popped up to replace it.  
> And for the coup de grace, os2 will still not shutdown properly.   I
> sent Norman an email stating 4.73 is not happening which was two days
> ago.  Waiting for their response.
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net
> To reply, remove all capital letters and carets.
> Wednesday, December 15, 1999 - 04:22 PM
> "...they can't stop this thing called Jesus."  Big  Tent  Revival, BTR.
> "Genius is 90% perspiration."  George  Gilder
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, I haven't, yet, got the actual program, only the time 
restricted demo (it appears to be version 4.70), which worked very 
well, for the 30 day trial period (and now just won't run. It tells me
my trial period is over). Someone also sent me a preliminary copy of 
the new real time virus scanner, which also seemed to work, without 
problems. 

I wonder if you have some left over stuff from one of the other AV 
programs, that is interfering with Norman??? Or, it might have 
something to do with the SCSI support (I took a look at your other 
post). I might also suspect a screen driver, but that would only be a 
guess. The only other difference, is that I am using warp4, with FP12.

It would be very disappointing, if they have messed up something that 
has been working well.

I intend to order the package tomorrow (I have been waiting for the 
IBM AV updates to run out -> should be real soon now <- and I also 
wanted to get it on the right cycle with my credit card). I guess I 
will find out whether it works, or not, probably right after the new 
year.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: cwr@cts.com                                       16-Dec-99 21:10:10
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: OT!! was (Re: Embellish 

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net wrote:
: In <83b8q7$13mc$1@thoth.cts.com>, on 12/16/99 
:    at 05:51 PM, Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> said:

:>: Hi Will -- I can't find any way to suppress the splash screen...I 
:>: always thought it was an integral part of the program startup.  
:>: Anyway, it only lasts 5 seconds on _MY_ system [grin].

:>Interesting; it's so steady on 10 seconds I assumed it was a timer. It
:>must be some sort of cycle-count delay.  I'm running it on a 486 DX-4.

: There are two types of slash screens:

:  - those that obey the Logo Time property in System Setup -> System
:  - those that are put up until the app is ready to interact with the user

: I don't which type the Embellish splash screen is, but you might consider
: checking the Logo setting.

Hadn't thought of that - I always set it to None, and it has no time
setting on my system.  Possibly Embellish is using a default value.
I get the impression that the app is ready long before the screen clears.

Will
cwr@crash.cts.com

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     16-Dec-99 21:31:01
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: Netscape: long downloads lost

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:59:55, mcray@interlog.com (Raymond McKenna) 
wrote:

> 
> 
> Season's greetings,
> 
> Netscape v4.61 doesn't manage long downloads as well as v2.02 
> did.  I've seen changes in focus make he connection go away
> without a trace.  I'm having to copy & paste the URL into v4.08
> (Win-OS2) where the the long downloads almost always finish. 
> Needless to say you shouldn't start something you can't finish. 
> I believe v4.04 was worse.  The system is optimized for long 
> back ground downloads.  PRIORITY_DISK_IO=NO  It's a stand-alone 
> system using a 56k modem connection to the internet.  I've been 
> tweaking everything since I noticed a performance degradation 
> with v4.04.  It's taken me all this time to isolate the problem,
> so there it is.  I trust someone else can take it further.
> 
> Netscape v4.61 is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Bye-the-way I've been getting double or triple characters since 
> a couple of fixpaks ago.  Currrently FP12.  
>   
> Cheers,
> Raymond.  
> 

I have had MUCH better luck with downloads, since I updated to the 
latest TCP/IP fixes (there was an indication that the download 
problems were caused by the TCP/IP code).

Go to:

http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html

near the bottom, is a link to the TCP/IP update (UN_980). Follow that,
and READ the instructions to install it. (There are a lot of other 
good links, for updates, on that page).

You may, also, want to check out:

http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html

for other things that affect Netscape Communicator.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        16-Dec-99 21:48:28
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fmua8p4.pminews@news.pacbell.net>, "Kim
Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> writes:
>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:16:35 +0000, Steve Drewell wrote:
>
>>I have to agree that the GNU diff command (diff -rq dir1 dir2), suggested
>>by John Poltorak in another reply, is a quick and easy method listing only
>>the files which are different. Testing the diff command here at work, it's
>>very fast, but then almost everything is fast on an SGI Origin 2000 :-)
>
>When it does the "compare", is it doing a byte level compare of the file, or
>just the directories?   Notice that we are not interested in whether certain
>file is different (from a size, date time stamp point of view) - we're
>interested in knowing if the CD-R is an exact replicate of the original.

Diff has many options and can do either of the above. The -q flag mentioned
is for a quick compare - basically size and date. The default is a binary
comparison.

>
>

--
John

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 13:49:00
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Anybody where to find MD5

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

I looked around and couldn't find it.   Somebody said this is the program to
a CD-R vs it's source to make sure the CD-R is okay.


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From: wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net                    16-Dec-99 16:52:09
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net

Sophos wanted $250 for a single user license.  I had zero luck in my
attempts to register Kapersky.  I don't like McAfee because they dropped
OS2 support.  Don't know about Panda - maybe the UI bites.

Norman is rated very highly in detecting viruses et al.  There were many
good things said about Norman both here and in POSSI.  There was a
Norman developer, Lars ?, who provided support thru these very
newsgroups.  I like that.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net
To reply, remove all capital letters and carets.
Thursday, December 16, 1999 - 04:52 PM
"...they can't stop this thing called Jesus."  Big  Tent  Revival, BTR.
"Genius is 90% perspiration."  George  Gilder
---------------------------------------------------------------------


In <991216131854.42520E-100000@bisv3.bedford.waii.com>, on 12/16/1999 
   at 01:24 PM, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> said:

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net wrote:

 Doug, I bought and registered Norman, v4.72, on your recommendation 
(tacit as it was).  Man, I am having nothing but trouble with it - see
 post in c.o.o.bugs this past Sunday for further details: error
dialogS  cause program to shutdown or not even start or just locks up,
after  executing NVCPM os2 will not shutdown now get out the boot
disks and  CHKDSK over 4 gigs of space, unrecognized media, etc.  
I've spent at  least 9 hrs trying to get the blasted thing to work. 
Sophos, Panda,  Kapersky, McAfee all worked well on my tube.
 
 After sending a note to Norman, Norman did give me a to be released 
version, 4.73, stating fixes in 4.72 caused my problems.  4.73 fixed
the  one error dialog (I had > 1) but another has popped up to replace
it.    And for the coup de grace, os2 will still not shutdown
properly.   I  sent Norman an email stating 4.73 is not happening
which was two days  ago.  Waiting for their response.

I'm curious...if Norman is giving you so much grief, whereas four other
anti-virus programs worked well, why did you register it? Why not just
forget about it?

Cheers,
Steve

Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517



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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 14:58:28
  To: All                                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On 16 Dec 1999 21:48:56 GMT, John Poltorak wrote:

>Diff has many options and can do either of the above. The -q flag mentioned
>is for a quick compare - basically size and date. The default is a binary
>comparison.

Thank you.


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From: chdove@home.com                                   16-Dec-99 23:28:22
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: chdove@home.com (Clive Dove)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:02:45, "Kim Cheung" 
<kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:39:00 GMT, Clive Dove wrote:
> 
> >The real problem that I have, that this program possibly could deal 
> >with is that my government has written a title search and registration
> >program that all lawyers must use, but it only works on win95, Win98 
> >or WinNT, so every time I want to search a title or register a deed I 
> >have to shut down all running tasks on that machine and reboot to the 
> >other operating system.
> 
> That's precisely why multi-boot is not acceptable - particularly if the OS/2
> side is running your LOB (line of business) application.
> 
> Concorde solves that problem.
> 
> 

It sounds like what I need.
As I do not have the beginning of this thread, I would appreciate 
someone posting the url where I can get more information. 

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 15:38:21
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:28:45 GMT, Clive Dove wrote:

>It sounds like what I need.
>As I do not have the beginning of this thread, I would appreciate 
>someone posting the url where I can get more information. 

http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/1999_Dec_10.html - Project Concorde - plan to
run Win32 apps under OS/2



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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    16-Dec-99 22:29:23
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Andreas Linde <andreas.linde@os2.org> writes:
> 
> here some help from the apache mailinglist:
> 
> The new mysql (3.22.26a) uses another socket and you have to tell the
> server to use the old socket with a command line switch like this:
> mysqld --socket=\socket\mysql.sock

I can't use it naked like this, I have to copy the command line from the
MySQL Server object created by the installation script; then I get the
following:

[D:\mysql2-3.22.26a\bin]mysqld.exe --basedir=D:\mysql2-3.22.26a
  --datadir=D:\mysql2-3.22.26a\data --socket=\socket\mysql.sock

D:\MYSQL2-3.22.26A\BIN\MYSQLD.EXE: ready for connections

It looks like I can connect now with the socket trick. At least the PHP
script can return a non-zero value from mysql_connect...

> The mysql utilities though will only use the new socket (the --socket switch
> for them does not work)
> and to use them you have to restart mysql with the new socket (just dont
> specify any socket).

That's for the mysql client as well as mysqladmin? So the thing is to
switch between the two set-ups depending on whether the system is used
through Apache or directly?

Some progress is better than no progress at all.

Pierre
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From: rgehrig@primenet.com                              16-Dec-99 17:14:10
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:17:29 +0300, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

>In <etruevtcevzrargpbz.fmuasm0.pminews@news.primenet.com>, on 12/16/99 
>   at 10:24 AM, "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com> said:
>
>Robert,
>
>I'm not Andreas, but I do run WSeb + MySQL on a dual-CPU box and I can't
>see any problems, even that file locking bug mentioned in the
>documentation. However, this is a development machine, not a production
>server and I can't figure out how to test if MySQL file sharing works
>properly. If you have any specific tests suitable for this purpose, would
>you please share with me?
>
>Cheers,
>Ivan

Ivan

No I am still looking into this area myself.

I have had trouble running MySQL on a Warp Server Advanced SMP machine.

I get too many open files error.

Maybe they changed the SMP on WSEB so it will work with emx.

Need to update one of my Warp Server Advanced SMP licences to WSEB.


Robert Gehrig
rgehrig@primenet.com

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From: wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net                    16-Dec-99 17:04:10
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net

I am now in contact with Hans from Norman OS2 Development.  I just sent
some diags to him.  Hans was the guy who was supporting Norman in these
very newsgroups.

I love the UI of Norman BTW.

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To reply, remove all capital letters and carets.
Thursday, December 16, 1999 - 05:04 PM
"...they can't stop this thing called Jesus."  Big  Tent  Revival, BTR.
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In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-G49qgBJ27UQp@localhost>, on 12/16/1999 
   at 09:31 PM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:


Actually, I haven't, yet, got the actual program, only the time 
restricted demo (it appears to be version 4.70), which worked very 
well, for the 30 day trial period (and now just won't run. It tells me
my trial period is over). Someone also sent me a preliminary copy of 
the new real time virus scanner, which also seemed to work, without 
problems. 

I wonder if you have some left over stuff from one of the other AV 
programs, that is interfering with Norman??? Or, it might have 
something to do with the SCSI support (I took a look at your other 
post). I might also suspect a screen driver, but that would only be a 
guess. The only other difference, is that I am using warp4, with FP12.

It would be very disappointing, if they have messed up something that 
has been working well.

I intend to order the package tomorrow (I have been waiting for the 
IBM AV updates to run out -> should be real soon now <- and I also 
wanted to get it on the right cycle with my credit card). I guess I 
will find out whether it works, or not, probably right after the new 
year.

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               16-Dec-99 20:55:19
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Don Hills wrote:
> 
> In article <3858501C.F8780073@frostbytes.com>,
> Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com> wrote:
> >
> >COO for NT is way lower than either OS/2 or Win9x (you can easily lock down
> >the configuration against changes, deliberate or accidental); it's a really
> >viable corporate system at this point and still way cheaper than this
product.
> 
> You can't truly lock down NT. NT might be secure by itself or with many
> 3rd-party apps, but Microsoft's own products are so full of wormholes
> due to their interdependency that it makes a mockery of the "lock down"
> concept. For example, there is no way you can run Word while keeping the
> user from opening a command prompt and running amok.

Sure you can.  You can disable the ability for them to run CMD.EXE.  But I was
thinking of locking it down by making the system and applications directories
non-writable and non-deletable.  They can go to town on the machine and still
not screw up the configuration.

jim

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From: chris.hoffmann@bigfoot.com                        17-Dec-99 02:01:16
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: chris.hoffmann@bigfoot.com (Chris Hoffmann)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:06:49 -0600, hemo_jr@attglobal.net (Matt
Hickman) wrote:

>In <PmRGDiEz74Uh-pn2-Pckj9ngdgRci@24.64.171.183.on.wave.home.com>, on
12/16/99 
>   at 04:39 PM, chdove@home.com (Clive Dove) said:
>
>>Of course it is not necessary to have two machines to run two  operating
>>systems, it is only necessary to partition your drive to  provide an
>>extra primary for the second operating system and to use  the Boot
>>Manager that comes with OS/2.
>
>Novell & IBM had a product a couple of years ago which allowed you to 
>run a Netware server and and OS/2 simultaneously on the same
>PC.  This was done by partitioning memory, disk space and CPU
>cycles between the two OS's.  Don't know if the product is still
>available.  They would talk to each other via a loopback driver
>and the OS/2 would talk to the network via an NDIS to ODI mapping
>and use the Netware servers driver.  You could even run the Netware
>UI as an OS/2 window.
>
>I would like to do something like this with a multiple CPU machine 
>and support OS/2, NT and Linux all on the same machine at the same
>time.  One keyboard on monitor and Three OSes running on the same
>PC at the same time each having  pseudo network access to the other,
>and having access to the net using a single wire into the PC.
>
>With the CPU speeds, large HDs and low memory costs the way they are
>today, something like this could fly.

I don't know if you've seen VMWare (www.vmware.com) - it's a "soft"
solution in that it emulates a platform for a "guest" OS to run within
a "Host" OS. Currently it's available for Linux host (allowing all Win
flavours amongst others as guests) and WinNT host (allowing Linux,
Win9x amonst others) as guests.

There is a note on the web site with words to the effect that if
enough interest is shown that they'll consider making OS/2 available
as a guest OS.

With WinNT4 on a single PIII 450, I can run Win95 comfortably in a
window, or fullscreen which is almost indistinguishable from a native
boot.

FWIW

Regards,

Chris Hoffmann.
"We got our eyes on the firmament, hands on the armaments,
 Heads full of arguments and words for our monuments" - 
Midnight Oil: 'Hercules'

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               16-Dec-99 21:26:11
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
> That being the case, I would guess that you don't have to deal with any
> users but yourself or other computer literates.  At home, I support my
> wife and son, neither of whom are real interested in learning that
> ls -l|sort|more is how you do a dir...

Actually "dir" is how you do a dir on Linux, there's an alias right out of the
box, but practically speaking there is a reasonably good GUI file manager in
KDE.  It may be hard for a lot of people to believe but you can actually do a
whole lot of work on your typical Linux system without ever touching a command
line.  I use my Linux desktop pretty much the same as I always used my Windows
desktop -- hell, KDE is practically a knockoff.

> At work, I support around 100
> users who think a logon has something to do with a big tree.  Yeah,
> linux would go over real big...  (intense sarcasm).  And before you
> start telling me that I don't know anything about linux, let me tell you
> that I was trained at SCO, and was a systems engineer at AT&T.  I know a
> little about *nix systems.

I wouldn't say something like that unless you proved to me that you were
confused.  Obviously you're not, although perhaps your knowledge of the
interfaces is a little dated.

I think you're stretching things to say that everyone would rebel because they
had to type in a user name and password; they have to do that with pretty much
any networking system out there.  There are certainly going to be some issues
but they're no worse than teaching someone how to do basic things with WPS and
typical GUI applications.  It's all basically the same stuff.

> >Those "funky" Windows software packages are the whole draw for your
product.
> >You're basically betting that the customer has so much tied up in OS/2 that
> >they can't afford to let it go, but they need those Windows applications
bad
> >enough to pay hundreds of dollars extra on your stuff to get them.
> 
> You're forgetting one thing - there's also a whole class of customer
> that would like (very much) to run one or more win apps, but cannot/will
> not deal with the stability issues of windows on an enterprise level,
> the 'virus of the day', a never-ending series of compatibility and
> security problems...

I'm having a hard time seeing why it is that you wouldn't have to deal with
these same problems in the emulation system.  Maybe they'd be more contained,
but it strikes me that what you're really doing is buying into both Windows
support headaches and OS/2 support headaches -- plus whatever extra support
headaches that you get from the emulation package.

> Personally, I'd love to be able to run a few win apps on either my
> system at home (OS/2) or my system at work (OS/2), but I _CANNOT_ risk
> the stability of 24/7 networks for the sake of that.

If you're under the assumption that you're immune from virii et al because
you're not running Windows then you're making a mistake.  OS/2 has few viruses
not because it's hard to make them (there's absolutely nothing harder about
writing an OS/2 virus than a Win9x virus) but because there are so few OS/2
users that it's not interesting.  OS/2 still lacks the basic features
(particularly filesystem security) necessary to stop a virus or worm
intrusion.

> >That's going to be a real tough sell.  You'd be way more likely to sell
> >something that emulated OS/2 under Windows, though I wouldn't get anywhere
> >near that business model either.
> 
> VMware recently announced this product - Speaking both personally and
> professionally (Did I mention that I'm D.I.T.?), not interested.
[...]
> Off the top, if what they propose would let me run win98 apps without
> compromising stability and security (running win98), I'd spend up to
> $300.00 at home, and another $300.00 at work, just for my personal
> systems.  I'd expect to pay more for an enterprise solution, but would
> have to give it more thought before I actually approved it for general
> use.  I need another support issue like I need a lobotomy.

I think you've just proven my point.  Sure, the ability to run some Windows
apps would be valuable, but not if you got extra headaches in the mix.  And
let's face it, you're going to get Windows headaches if you're running any
kind of a Windows environment -- even an emulated one.  Plus whatever problems
you already had, plus whatever problems the emulator has.

I've used products like these for more than a decade and a half and while they
sometimes have their uses they do not tend to work as well as a native
solution -- and they tend to cost more, too.  If you need the application bad
enough you should run it native.

jim

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               16-Dec-99 21:32:22
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

"Bjrn Vermo" wrote:
> > Maybe you can dig up Gartner's numbers for OS/2?  That would be helpful. 
I
> > would especially like it if you could find something that shows that NT
> > requires 300% more support people.  Frankly speaking I think you're
confusing
> > NT with Win9x.
> 
> I do not remember the exact numbers, but there was a Gartner survey
> early last year which indicated that the annual operating cost per
> seat could be very significantly decreased by WSOD [...]

Ahh, but WSOD is *not* a full-blown OS/2!  It's effectively OS/2 in an NC
configuration.  You can do pretty well at reducing NT's COO if you strip it
down to NC capability levels too.

> > OS costs are lowest for Windows; $50 or so for Windows 9x preloaded, $150
for
> > NT preloaded (most vendors sell NT upgrades for $100).  OS/2 can't be
found
> > preloaded from any significant hardware vendor so you're looking at
something
> > like $250 per seat (including the $50 you had to spend on Windows 9x
because
> > of the monopoly arrangement).
> 
> IBM may not be a significant hardware vendor where you come from, but
> they are consistently one of the top three in the PC market here - not
> to mention that they sell some rather heavier iron, too.

It's funny you should mention that.  You cannot buy a PC from IBM preloaded
with OS/2 that doesn't also have Windows.  Most of their systems don't even
offer OS/2 as a preload option at all.  And if you can't get it from IBM....

> Checking the mail order catalogs, I notice that the one-off cost of
> Warp 4 is just mid between Win98 and NT Workstation. A minimum NT
> server is cheaper than the WSeB, but if you need more than two CPUs or
> a handful users the NT will soon become more expensive. If you compare
> ready to run systems, you will also have to include extra management
> and backup software for the NT server.

As I recall we were talking about clients.  I do not recommend NT as a server
system, period.

jim

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               16-Dec-99 21:58:27
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Chris Stumpf wrote:
> :>Maybe you can dig up Gartner's numbers for OS/2?  That would be helpful. 
I
> :>would especially like it if you could find something that shows that NT
> :>requires 300% more support people.  Frankly speaking I think you're
confusing
> :>NT with Win9x.
> 
> No confusion on my part.  I got the 300% more support people number from
some
> simple extrapolation of available facts.  Fact 1, Microsoft claims that
using
> the ZAK NT model, a single administrator can support 200-250 users, 300 max.
> Fact 2, there are quite a few very large banks using OS/2 in a RIPL boot
> environment and they have been supporting 1200-1600 users per administrator
> for years.  I was being generous with the 300% number as you can see.

Dare I mention the possibility that the banks may not be running a typical
application mix, and that it might be possible that with similar applications
you'd get similar supportability?  I would really prefer to have a Gartner COO
estimate to compare to another Gartner COO estimate; at least there's some
chance of them having similar assumptions.

> :>OS/2 has the same problem that Windows 9x does in that it's really easy to
> :>destroy system software (that "I deleted stuff" problem again).
> 
> --snip--
> 
> There are a few things you are forgetting.  There are plenty of utilites,
> commercial, shareware and freeware to lock down the desktop and prevent
stuff
> like that for OS/2.

These exist for Win9x too, and yet they don't affect COO noticably.  It's just
too easy to get around them.  You need the lock-down ability in the OS proper,
not layered onto the desktop, because typical applications allow numerous
gateways to OS features.

> In large environments, the use of remote access
> tools like Netop, RSM or PCAnywhere can save a bundle in support time and
> costs.

All these do is stop you from having to walk over.  Remote administration is
still administration.

> Third, OS/2 can be ripl booted, this is where the OS and applications
> are loaded over the network from the server and executed locally on the
> workstation.  OS/2 has had the ability for 10 years.

Now you're talking, but we'll get into the drawbacks of this technique in a
minute.

> Or using a product like WiseManager from
> Serenity Systems, the machine can be completely rebuilt in a matter of
> minutes.

No argument there, but that capability has been available for Windows systems
for years too, using Ghost.

> :>Where you're making assumptions that may not hold is that you believe that
> :>it's cheaper to keep using what you've got than it is to replace it.
> 
> --snip--
> 
> I never made the assumption that it is cheaper to keep using what I've got.
> I stated that OS/2 requires less hardware than NT to accomplish the same
> tasks.

The hardware difference you're talking about is well under $100 retail, on the
order of 1-2% of COO.  That's down in the noise.

> Here is a number for you.  I can provide a workstations and the
> servers to support them for an organization for 50%-70% less than the
numbers
> for the NC or NT ZAK solutions in the article you pointed me to.  Here is a
> the configuration.  PC or IBM 2800 with 64 megs ram, full sound capability
> and no hard drive.  Software:  Office suite, Web browser other software used
> for general office use.  Cost per workstation, $200 per month per
workstation
> on a 2 year contract.  I provide all the support for the workstations.  TCO
> for the customer is $2400 per year per workstation.  This number works for a
> site with 5-50 workstations.  With more workstations and depending on the
> configuration, I can bring that number down to $150 per workstation.  The
> beauty of it all is that I can administer it remotely.  Once I have a site
> setup, it takes almost no effort to administer it.

Ok, now we can talk about network centralized systems.

Your figures totally ignore the network infrastructure cost of these systems. 
They are now totally dependent on the network -- and network infrastructure is
many times more expensive than local disk and slower to boot.

We used to use this configuration with Sun 3/50 hardware.  It sure did make
administration easy, but we had to have many times the network and server
capability to support it.  As I recall it totally fell apart at about 15
systems per server.  Modern hardware is presumably better, but it's not even
an order of magnitude better.  And remember that you've just introduced a big,
big single-point-of-failure so you better buy really reliable servers.

So you're COO isn't really $2,400 -- you have to add in all that other stuff,
thousands of dollars per user in server and network hardware plus support
costs for all of that.

> :>Whether or not one of those good alternatives is OS/2 is quite debatable.  
IBM
> :>has seriously curtailed ongoing development of the system; it has been in
> :>maintenance mode for a couple of years, and we've even heard of potential
> :>cut-off dates for that (2006 wasn't it?).  Drivers for a lot of new
hardware
> :>are impossible to get.  Very few ISVs continue to build -- or even
maintain --
> :>software for it.
> 
> Let's see, Win95 support ended when Win98 was released and WinNT support is
> going to go bye-bye when Win2000 is released.  MS stops support for old
> products when they release a new product.  BTW, the cutoff date for OS/2
> support you are refering to is for free support, you can still get support
> from IBM for old products, you just have to pay for it.

Actually no, when IBM drops support for a product you can't get support for it
even if you want to pay for it.  Trust me on this, I've lived through the
retirement of several IBM systems.  At least nowadays they can't demand their
OS media back :-).

In any case what do you do when you can't get drivers for new hardware any
more, and you can't get the old hardware either?

jim

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               16-Dec-99 22:04:09
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Kim Cheung wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:57:37 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:
> 
> >Or using a product like WiseManager from
> >Serenity Systems, the machine can be completely rebuilt in a matter of
> >minutes.
> 
> Urrrr... not minutes, Chris - make that ....seconds...

I've been wondering about this claim.  It seems to me that raw data copy
performance would put you well beyond that point.  It takes on the order of 5
minutes to re-ghost a Windows system, for instance.  Now, I know OS/2 is
smaller, but it's not two orders of magnitude smaller.

How is it managed?

jim

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From: srd@x.mcmail.com                                  17-Dec-99 01:12:22
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:21
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: Steve Drewell <srd@x.mcmail.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 at 21:48 GMT, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John
Poltorak) wrote:


>>When it does the "compare", is it doing a byte level compare of the
>>file, or just the directories? Notice that we are not interested in
>>whether certain file is different (from a size, date time stamp point of
>>view) - we're interested in knowing if the CD-R is an exact replicate of
>>the original.

>Diff has many options and can do either of the above. The -q flag
>mentioned is for a quick compare - basically size and date. The default
>is a binary comparison.

Actually, when I did a small test, I had two files exactly the same size
and date but the contents were different. When I used the -q option, the
files were shown as being different which indicates that a byte by byte
comparison is done even with the -q option.

Cheers,
Steve
-- 
Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
_____________________________________________________________
Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 26 processes with 136 threads.
Machine uptime is 0 days, 0 hours, 10 mins and 46 secs.
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From: JSeder-nospam@syntel.com                          16-Dec-99 17:46:13
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Tax Preparation Software

From: Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com>

I did switch from TurboTax to TaxCut.  It seems to work OK - I had to
install it in a full-screen Win-OS/2 session but can run it in a
seamless session.  Printing works...  Unfortunately, many tax functions
I need require an update which is not yet available.  But so far so
good.

Jerry Prather wrote:
> 
> In message <384FDF22.4CBEC9D7@amecom.com> - Joe Farruggio
> <Joe_Farruggio@amecom.com>Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:56:02 -0500 writes:
> :>
> :>Joe Farruggio wrote:
> :>I asked Intuit and they confirmed that the new Turbotax will not work
> :>on Win3.1
> 
> Well, that's it for TurboTax, which I have been using for ages!
> I got Kiplinger Tax Cut.  The box claims it's for Win 3.1 and
> says it imports from last year's TurboTax.  (Now all I have to do
> is bitch to Intuit<G>.)
> 
> Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net
> 
> "Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
> for."
>                                         - Me (circa 1998)

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From: dmckenn@attglobal.net                             16-Dec-99 20:51:04
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Norton Antivirus for OS/2

From: "David McKenna" <dmckenn@attglobal.net>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:18:42 -0500, David T. Johnson wrote:

>Sorry, don't have a name but *persist* in asking for the queue for IBM
>Antivirus users and you will get the right place.  You are calling a
>large call center and knowledge of this isn't very well communicated. 
>Basically, the deal is that they give you the CD-ROM for $9.95 but your
>license is your license for IBM Antivirus.  If you have 5 IBM Antivirus
>licenses, then you have 5 upgraded licenses for Norton Antivirus for
>OS/2.

   Well, I gave them 3 chances... Another OS/2 user has kindly given me not
only a name, but an e-mail address of the person they dealt with at Norton to
get their AV for OS/2 so we'll see how it goes...

Dave McKenna


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From: postmaster@127.0.0.1                              16-Dec-99 20:57:17
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Star Office database

From: <postmaster@127.0.0.1>

In <3858e26b$0$84804@news.execpc.com>, Cliff Fellows <cfellows@execpc.com>
said:

>Is there a way to have "list fields" (drop down lists of choices of data)
>or equivalent appear when entering data in a form or a table in Star
>Base? MS - Access has the option for drop down "list fields" and "combo
>boxes" which make redundant entries easier. I like that feature. Thanks
>for any help.

StarBase is very rudimentary and hardly qualifies as a database along the
lines of Access.  It's merely there to support other application (eg.
StarCalc) in Star Office.

David (d dot forrai at ieee dot org)
(The FROM: address is for spammers only)

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        17-Dec-99 01:52:09
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <38598f47$1$feq$mr2ice@news.cwcom.net>, Steve Drewell <srd@x.mcmail.com>
writes:
>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 at 21:48 GMT, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John
>Poltorak) wrote:
>
>
>>>When it does the "compare", is it doing a byte level compare of the
>>>file, or just the directories? Notice that we are not interested in
>>>whether certain file is different (from a size, date time stamp point of
>>>view) - we're interested in knowing if the CD-R is an exact replicate of
>>>the original.
>
>>Diff has many options and can do either of the above. The -q flag
>>mentioned is for a quick compare - basically size and date. The default
>>is a binary comparison.
>
>Actually, when I did a small test, I had two files exactly the same size
>and date but the contents were different. When I used the -q option, the
>files were shown as being different which indicates that a byte by byte
>comparison is done even with the -q option.

Oops...

In that case I don't understand the function of the '-q' option...

Maybe it stops after finding the first difference.

>Cheers,
>Steve
>-- 
>Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
>_____________________________________________________________
>Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 26 processes with 136 threads.
>Machine uptime is 0 days, 0 hours, 10 mins and 46 secs.
>_____________________________________________________________
>
>

--
John

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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              16-Dec-99 18:33:25
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

nemo@union.edu wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I'm about to post this to the rsj newsgroup but I thought I'd ask here
> also.
>

Don't have an answer to your query (sorry), but could you post the address
for this group ?
TIA.

<jf>



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From: tgal@pobox.com                                    16-Dec-99 18:33:03
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <tgal@pobox.com>

Many thanks to all who responded to my nano-poll.  Most votes
fell
to "C"-circle, then to "R"-circle, and "K"-circle deserving 
an honor mention.  ;>  I know how "K" gets in there: past my 
3rd hour at the screen.  Anyway, it is "R"-circle that was 
intended, assuming codepage 850 is underneath; "C"-circle shows
up
when codepage 1004 is below.  Close enough for government work.

STORAL OF THE MORY: can't control what shows up at the client end
without a control mechanism.


Stan Goodman wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:11:44, J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:39:23 -0800, Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.) wrote:
> >
> > >Is it a "C" or an "R" inside a circle, or any other glyph?
> > >
> > >--
> > > ===>  tgal@pobox.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I make it out to be Ks in a circle.  I think it means you're Kosher.  :)
> 
> =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8 =;->8  You have made my day.
> 
> But that's not what I see here. I see a "Copyright" symbol -- a C in a
> circle. But that's kosher too.
> 
> FWIW, the "kosher" certification is a U in a circle or a K without a
> circle. Off topic though this information is for this group, we would not
> wish to mislead anybody.



;^>  yes, I thought this was funny too.  But what would the "U"
stand for?

-- 
 ===>  tgal@pobox.com


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From: srussel3@midsouth.rr.com                          17-Dec-99 03:06:27
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Searching for accounting/mfg software

From: "Stephen Russell" <srussel3@midsouth.rr.com>

I was running the TIW module for the past year and a half.  We did
ornamental steel security doors and it was pretty good.  Granted our needs
were not met but we pushed the limit in SOC.

__Stephen Russell

"Michael W. Cocke" <cocke@catherders.com> wrote in message
news:612795394484432021172814@MWCTP...
>
> Thanks.  Unfortunately, SBT is what we're trying to get away from.
> Their mfg module is useless.
>
>
> On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 02:59:09 GMT, patrickp wrote:
>
> >
> >> > Help!
> >> >
> >> > The company that I work for is searching for a
manufacturing/accounting
> >> > system...  The catch is that it must run in DOS, Windows 3.x, or
OS/2.
> >> > No windows 9x or NT.
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >>
> >
> >  Check out SBT systems; their VP2000 package offers a solid paltform
under
> >Xbase which will run Win 3.1 & DOS and I have successfully run it under
OS/2
> >(The DOS platform)  Let me know if I may be of further assistance
> >
> >P
> >
> >
> >
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>          Please note:  My Email and web page addresses have changed!
>                 The new email address is cocke@catherders.com
>                  The web page is at http://www.catherders.com
>
>                Because network administration is like herding cats.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>


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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              16-Dec-99 23:33:25
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:04:18 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

:>
:>I've been wondering about this claim.  It seems to me that raw data copy
:>performance would put you well beyond that point.  It takes on the order of
5
:>minutes to re-ghost a Windows system, for instance.  Now, I know OS/2 is
:>smaller, but it's not two orders of magnitude smaller.
:>
:>How is it managed?
:>

You are thinking like windows.  Stop for just a few seconds and clear you
mind.  Now, here is how it works.  IBM placed the ability to do RIPL over the
network.  RIPL stands for Remote Initial Program Load.  All the files for
each workstation reside on the server.  No hard drive is required in the
workstation, although if there is one, it can be used for virtual memory swap
space to reduce network traffic.  There is no raw data copy of hundreds of
meg going on.  Actually it is quite an elegant solution.  There is only one
copy of the OS, in this case, OS/2 Warp 4 on the server.  Each workstation
gets a directory and in that directory goes only the files that are specific
to that workstation and can be changed, like config.sys and ini files. 
WiseManager is a tool to manage the machine profiles on the server. 
Rebuilding a machine is nothing more than reading a script file to recreate
the configuration of the machine at some known point.  It is really
impressive technology.  Especially when you setup a bunch of monitors with
pc's attached with no hard drives and after networking them to the server,
turn them on and watch them boot.  Instant network.  If say they all need an
application like say Adobe Acrobat View, it is a simple drag-and-drop
operation to install the program to all the machines simultaneously.  The
icon appears on the desktops and the app works, no reboot required.  Not all
apps install quite that simply, some require a reboot of the workstation to
run properly.  Does this explain things a little better for you?

		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              17-Dec-99 00:00:28
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:58:54 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

:>
:>Dare I mention the possibility that the banks may not be running a typical
:>application mix, and that it might be possible that with similar
applications
:>you'd get similar supportability?  I would really prefer to have a Gartner
COO
:>estimate to compare to another Gartner COO estimate; at least there's some
:>chance of them having similar assumptions.
:>

You obviously have no clue as to the nature of the technology I'm discussing.

:>
:>These exist for Win9x too, and yet they don't affect COO noticably.  It's
just
:>too easy to get around them.  You need the lock-down ability in the OS
proper,
:>not layered onto the desktop, because typical applications allow numerous
:>gateways to OS features.
:>
OS/2 has the hooks for C-2 level security built into the OS and there are
several addons that take advantage of this.  OS/2 can be made secure with
little effort as it does not have the holes that Windows does.

:>
:>All these do is stop you from having to walk over.  Remote administration is
:>still administration.
:>
And saving time is still saving time.  This walk time is signifigant
especially in large buildings with multiple floors.

:>> Third, OS/2 can be ripl booted, this is where the OS and applications
:>> are loaded over the network from the server and executed locally on the
:>> workstation.  OS/2 has had the ability for 10 years.
:>
:>Now you're talking, but we'll get into the drawbacks of this technique in a
:>minute.
:>
Yes there are drawbacks, but a properly designed and configured network and
servers can deal with them.

:>> Or using a product like WiseManager from
:>> Serenity Systems, the machine can be completely rebuilt in a matter of
:>> minutes.
:>
:>No argument there, but that capability has been available for Windows
systems
:>for years too, using Ghost.
:>
I repeat, there is no image being pushed down to the client machines in a
RIPL enviroment.  Saying that a Ghost image and a RIPL boot are the same
shows you haven't a clue what you are talking about.  BTW, RIPL booted
machines don't need a hard drive.

:>> :>Where you're making assumptions that may not hold is that you believe
that
:>> :>it's cheaper to keep using what you've got than it is to replace it.
:>> 
:>> --snip--
:>> 
:>> I never made the assumption that it is cheaper to keep using what I've
got.
:>> I stated that OS/2 requires less hardware than NT to accomplish the same
:>> tasks.
:>
:>The hardware difference you're talking about is well under $100 retail, on
the
:>order of 1-2% of COO.  That's down in the noise.
:>
:>> Here is a number for you.  I can provide a workstations and the
:>> servers to support them for an organization for 50%-70% less than the
numbers
:>> for the NC or NT ZAK solutions in the article you pointed me to.  Here is
a
:>> the configuration.  PC or IBM 2800 with 64 megs ram, full sound capability
:>> and no hard drive.  Software:  Office suite, Web browser other software
used
:>> for general office use.  Cost per workstation, $200 per month per
workstation
:>> on a 2 year contract.  I provide all the support for the workstations. 
TCO
:>> for the customer is $2400 per year per workstation.  This number works for 
a
:>> site with 5-50 workstations.  With more workstations and depending on the
:>> configuration, I can bring that number down to $150 per workstation.  The
:>> beauty of it all is that I can administer it remotely.  Once I have a site
:>> setup, it takes almost no effort to administer it.
:>
:>Ok, now we can talk about network centralized systems.
:>
:>Your figures totally ignore the network infrastructure cost of these
systems. 
:>They are now totally dependent on the network -- and network infrastructure
is
:>many times more expensive than local disk and slower to boot.
:>
:>We used to use this configuration with Sun 3/50 hardware.  It sure did make
:>administration easy, but we had to have many times the network and server
:>capability to support it.  As I recall it totally fell apart at about 15
:>systems per server.  Modern hardware is presumably better, but it's not even
:>an order of magnitude better.  And remember that you've just introduced a
big,
:>big single-point-of-failure so you better buy really reliable servers.
:>
Now you are talking about Xwindows.  This is a different animal altogether. 
The servers are doing the program execution and spewing graphics over the
network.  I can support 30 machines on one server and not a huge server at
that.  It would work just fine on a dual PII 350 with 512 megs ram and a
raid5 disk array with 5 9 gig hard drives.  With a bigger server I can handle
more.  Oh, and would you agree with me that that such a server would not be
considered expensive as servers go, but rather cheap.  The bulk of network
traffic occurs when booting or loading large programs.  Once OS is loaded,
everything happens locally and there would be no network traffic at all if
there is enough ram in the client box to prevent swapping once the programs
are loaded.  So, I realize you are talking from your experience, but the
technologies are so very different.

:>So you're COO isn't really $2,400 -- you have to add in all that other
stuff,
:>thousands of dollars per user in server and network hardware plus support
:>costs for all of that.
:>
Uh, that number includes the cost of the server to support those
workstations.  As far as hardware like hubs and switches and wiring goes. 
Most companies are wired with cat5 cable and have 100 mbps hubs.  That
equipment can be reused.  It is adequate, but not optimal.  Using a switch is
the best solution.  So, even if I had to do an entire network completely from
scratch, I could probably do it for not too much more.  Besides, wiring and
hubs or switches I wouldn't work into the contract, I would sell that
outright.  Because if the customer desides to go with something totally
different or doesn't renew, I can take my equipment out and replace it with
something else or some other company can come in a plug into the existing
network.

--snip--


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  16-Dec-99 23:06:08
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Tax Preparation Software

From: mchasson@ibm.net

In <385995F2.F770A7A7@syntel.com>, on 12/16/99 at 05:46 PM,
   Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com> said:

>I did switch from TurboTax to TaxCut.  It seems to work OK - I had to
>install it in a full-screen Win-OS/2 session but can run it in a seamless
>session.  Printing works...  Unfortunately, many tax functions I need
>require an update which is not yet available.  But so far so good.

You may as well have the bad news now.  If you have installed it on Drive
C: you will be able to update.  If not;   well last year the brain dead
install program would only install an update on Drive C.  Complaining got
me nowhere.  Fortunately, I only had a problem with one form where it did
the work but would produce a printable version.  So I used (gasp!!!)
handwriting. -- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51 

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          17-Dec-99 04:10:09
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Java118 updates at Hursley-12-16-99

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

Refreshers just appeared for Java 1.18 at:

ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com:/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118

Dec 16  8:10       916,738  rmi-iiop-toolkit.exe
Dec 16  8:10         3,020  read.me
Dec 16  8:10     7,370,825  os2jre.exe
Dec 16  8:09     4,217,582  toolkit.exe
Dec 16  8:09     1,765,825  samples.exe
Dec 16  8:09     7,259,280  runtime.exe
Dec 16  8:09        12,397  fixes.lst

Quicklink for just the RUNTIME.EXE:

ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com:/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118/runtime.exe

If you haven't installed these before (anybody?) just move it to the 
root of your \JAVA11 drive and doubleclick, then select "A" (upper 
case A) to overwrite (A)ll existing files.

I couldn't help noticing they've also updated Java117 a few days ago. 
Wonder why they maintain multiple versions so close together? I do, 
too.

Anybody gotten the JRE to work under Netscape? It's a titch smaller, 
and though I've got it running SmartCache, I can't work out how to 
make the JRE be the Java that Netscape calls for applets.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               16-Dec-99 21:50:06
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:32:44 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

>Ahh, but WSOD is *not* a full-blown OS/2!  It's effectively OS/2 in an NC
>configuration.  You can do pretty well at reducing NT's COO if you strip it
>down to NC capability levels too.

Ignorance is the root of foolish mind.    Who said WSOD is *not* a full-blown
OS/2?   How much do you know about WSOD?


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From: franks@owt.com                                    16-Dec-99 21:11:14
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 03:47:22
Subj: Re: Netscape: long downloads lost

From: "frank schmittroth" <franks@owt.com>

On 16 Dec 1999 21:31:03 GMT, Doug Bissett wrote:

>I have had MUCH better luck with downloads, since I updated to the 
>latest TCP/IP fixes (there was an indication that the download 
>problems were caused by the TCP/IP code).
>
>Go to:
>
>http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
>
>near the bottom, is a link to the TCP/IP update (UN_980). Follow that,
>and READ the instructions to install it. (There are a lot of other 
>good links, for updates, on that page).

I'm not an expert here.  Having said that, I don't understand how
the UN_980 update would fix the Netscape download problem.  My
understanding is that UN_980 fixes TCP applications, not the TCP/IP
stack, and I assume that Netscape has its own ftp routine.

I _am_ aware of the potential link of the netscape problem to tcpip.
Frank.



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From: karen.l.mansbridge-wood@worldnet...               17-Dec-99 07:55:01
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 05:13:08
Subj: Re: Netscape: long downloads lost

Message sender: karen.l.mansbridge-wood@worldnet.att.net

From: karen.l.mansbridge-wood@worldnet.att.net

In <senaxfbjgpbz.fmv4r50.pminews@news.newsguy.com>, "frank schmittroth"
<franks@owt.com> writes:
>I'm not an expert here.  Having said that, I don't understand how
>the UN_980 update would fix the Netscape download problem.  My
>understanding is that UN_980 fixes TCP applications, not the TCP/IP
>stack, and I assume that Netscape has its own ftp routine.

I'm not an expert either, but I found Netscape 4.6 too unstable for words
until I applied not only all of the various TCP/IP updates, but all of the
newest java fixes as well.

Karen

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        17-Dec-99 10:08:07
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 10:29:26
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fmv6jo1.pminews@news.pacbell.net>, "Kim
Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> writes:
>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:32:44 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:
>
>>Ahh, but WSOD is *not* a full-blown OS/2!  It's effectively OS/2 in an NC
>>configuration.  You can do pretty well at reducing NT's COO if you strip it
>>down to NC capability levels too.
>
>Ignorance is the root of foolish mind.    Who said WSOD is *not* a full-blown
>OS/2?   How much do you know about WSOD?
>

It's hugely different! After all, when it boots up you get an IBM boot blob,
rather
than an OS/2 boot blob. That proves it is not OS/2  ;-)...

BTW I've been looking for some sources of info on RIPL on the Internet,
but have drawn a blank. IBM have very little to say about it (AFAICS),
and there is no mention of it in the IBM Developer Connection program and
that seems to cover almost every IBM software available.

I recently bought an IBM Network Station and have been trying get Warp 4
running on it - (I can't find a demo of WSOD 2 although I got sent a copy of
WSOD 1), but I can't get sound configured. MINSTALL seems to fall over if
there is no local hard disk, and I haven't come across a CID method of
installing
sound drivers.

Any pointers/suggestions would be greatfully received.

--
John



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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    17-Dec-99 06:00:01
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 10:29:26
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <38579155.BB424208@frostbytes.com>,
Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com> wrote:
>Dave Tholen wrote:
>> 
>> Jim Frost writes:
>> 
>> > So not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
>> > distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
>> 
>> I guess that depends on what you call a "fully distributed" GUI.  There
>> is a product that will let you see the OS/2 desktop with a web browser.
>> That means you can run your OS/2 desktop from UNIX, for example.
>
>I stand corrected.
>
>In any case the claim that OS/2 1.1 was the first GUI-equipped OS for the PC
>was dead wrong.

Anyone remember GEM from Digital Research?  It would run (walk?) on an
XT.




-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        17-Dec-99 09:51:25
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 10:29:26
Subj: Re: Java118 updates at Hursley-12-16-99

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <jORXtcYCR8l4-pn2-LRKzzodVn2kU@SPHERICALBURN.TAMPABAY.RR.COM>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>Refreshers just appeared for Java 1.18 at:
>
>ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com:/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118
>
>Dec 16  8:10       916,738  rmi-iiop-toolkit.exe
>Dec 16  8:10         3,020  read.me
>Dec 16  8:10     7,370,825  os2jre.exe
>Dec 16  8:09     4,217,582  toolkit.exe
>Dec 16  8:09     1,765,825  samples.exe
>Dec 16  8:09     7,259,280  runtime.exe
>Dec 16  8:09        12,397  fixes.lst
>
>Quicklink for just the RUNTIME.EXE:
>
>ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com:/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118/runtime.exe
>
>If you haven't installed these before (anybody?) just move it to the 
>root of your \JAVA11 drive and doubleclick, then select "A" (upper 
>case A) to overwrite (A)ll existing files.
>
>I couldn't help noticing they've also updated Java117 a few days ago. 
>Wonder why they maintain multiple versions so close together? I do, 
>too.

Maybe the same bug has been fixed in both versions...

I recently had to re-install Warp 4 from scratch and wondered if there is
a procedure for updating JAVA... 

There are quite a number of differences. The directory name has changed
from javaos2 to java11, which means a number of lines in config.sys need
changing. There's also classpath and possibly other variables, and I have
no idea if there are any JAVA settings in os2.ini. Is there a script which
will
automate these changes, or does it need to be done manually? 

>Anybody gotten the JRE to work under Netscape? It's a titch smaller, 
>and though I've got it running SmartCache, I can't work out how to 
>make the JRE be the Java that Netscape calls for applets.
>
>
>-- 
>
>Good luck,
>
>Buddy
>
>Buddy Donnelly
>donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
>
>

--
John

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From: sanitas@my-deja.com                               17-Dec-99 09:51:24
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 10:29:26
Subj: Installation problems with IDE HD>8GB

From: sanitas@my-deja.com

I use the newest ibm1s506.add (fixpack 12) from
idedasd.exe for installation. I updated the
floppies to this drivers for support disks >8 GB.
Booting from the floppies succeeds but after
reboot (data are loaded from HD) the system stops
after driver ibm1s506.add is loaded. I also tried
to switch off Bus Mastering Support.
With a 2 GB HD the complete installation succeeds.


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   17-Dec-99 00:53:01
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 10:29:26
Subj: Re: Anybody where to find MD5

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>

Hello Kim,

I'm  the one who suggested MD5.

It is to be found at 
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/encrypt/md5_os2.zip

Its useful for creating a uniqe fingerprint of a single file.

Example:

Command: md5 c:\config.sys
Result : 09f8c546d2db3763655634e292672143 c:\config.sys


As md5 does not walk through subdirs, i created a REXX 
procedure around it ( using SysFileTree ) to feed some
6000 files to md5. I redirected the results to a single
report file. Did that for both source and target.

I had to struggle a bit, to get the to reports equally
sorted, but having done that I could easyly discover
differences between source and target.

Bye/2
Meinolf

Kim Cheung wrote:
> 
> I looked around and couldn't find it.   Somebody said this is the program to
> a CD-R vs it's source to make sure the CD-R is okay.

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From: cocke@catherders.com                              17-Dec-99 06:41:26
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 10:29:26
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:26:22 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

>"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
>> That being the case, I would guess that you don't have to deal with any
>> users but yourself or other computer literates.  At home, I support my
>> wife and son, neither of whom are real interested in learning that
>> ls -l|sort|more is how you do a dir...
>
>Actually "dir" is how you do a dir on Linux, there's an alias right out of
the
>box, but practically speaking there is a reasonably good GUI file manager in
>KDE.  It may be hard for a lot of people to believe but you can actually do a
>whole lot of work on your typical Linux system without ever touching a
command
>line.  I use my Linux desktop pretty much the same as I always used my
Windows
>desktop -- hell, KDE is practically a knockoff.

I'm aware of the GUI features available - and I keep hearing about how 
they work perfectly until they stop...  Maybe in another year or so, but
I don't think I'm ready to recommend this quite yet.

>> At work, I support around 100
>> users who think a logon has something to do with a big tree.  Yeah,
>> linux would go over real big...  (intense sarcasm).  And before you
>> start telling me that I don't know anything about linux, let me tell you
>> that I was trained at SCO, and was a systems engineer at AT&T.  I know a
>> little about *nix systems.
>
>I wouldn't say something like that unless you proved to me that you were
>confused.  Obviously you're not, although perhaps your knowledge of the
>interfaces is a little dated.

Some, yes.  It's hard to get everything done that needs to be done, let 
alone researching things that may need to be done - but I do try.

>
>I think you're stretching things to say that everyone would rebel because
they
>had to type in a user name and password; they have to do that with pretty
much
>any networking system out there.  There are certainly going to be some issues
>but they're no worse than teaching someone how to do basic things with WPS
and
>typical GUI applications.  It's all basically the same stuff.

I wasn't clear.  I don't think they'd rebel because of having to type in
a logon, I think they'd hang me because changing the OS would require a 
user interface and application software switch.  Not an option for at 
least another 15 years, preferably 20 - after I retire.

>
>> >Those "funky" Windows software packages are the whole draw for your
product.
>> >You're basically betting that the customer has so much tied up in OS/2
that
>> >they can't afford to let it go, but they need those Windows applications
bad
>> >enough to pay hundreds of dollars extra on your stuff to get them.
>> 
>> You're forgetting one thing - there's also a whole class of customer
>> that would like (very much) to run one or more win apps, but cannot/will
>> not deal with the stability issues of windows on an enterprise level,
>> the 'virus of the day', a never-ending series of compatibility and
>> security problems...
>
>I'm having a hard time seeing why it is that you wouldn't have to deal with
>these same problems in the emulation system.  Maybe they'd be more contained,
>but it strikes me that what you're really doing is buying into both Windows
>support headaches and OS/2 support headaches -- plus whatever extra support
>headaches that you get from the emulation package.

It would depend on how the idea were implemented.  If they put a wrapper
around Windows to prevent it from hassling the rest of the system, it 
could be acceptable.  I'd be willing to look at it, at least for my own 
use.  As I said before, I won't approve it for company use until I've 
had a chance to see it.

>> Personally, I'd love to be able to run a few win apps on either my
>> system at home (OS/2) or my system at work (OS/2), but I _CANNOT_ risk
>> the stability of 24/7 networks for the sake of that.
>
>If you're under the assumption that you're immune from virii et al because
>you're not running Windows then you're making a mistake.  OS/2 has few
viruses
>not because it's hard to make them (there's absolutely nothing harder about
>writing an OS/2 virus than a Win9x virus) but because there are so few OS/2
>users that it's not interesting.  OS/2 still lacks the basic features
>(particularly filesystem security) necessary to stop a virus or worm
>intrusion.

Your knowledge of OS/2 has a few errors in it. Everything from the 
phrase "if you're under the assumption" down is incorrect. I have file 
system security enabled right now, for example.  I should mention that 
if you chose to use FAT filesystem under OS/2, you deserve what you will
get - lousy performance and any number of other problems.

>
>> >That's going to be a real tough sell.  You'd be way more likely to sell
>> >something that emulated OS/2 under Windows, though I wouldn't get anywhere
>> >near that business model either.
>> 
>> VMware recently announced this product - Speaking both personally and
>> professionally (Did I mention that I'm D.I.T.?), not interested.
>[...]
>> Off the top, if what they propose would let me run win98 apps without
>> compromising stability and security (running win98), I'd spend up to
>> $300.00 at home, and another $300.00 at work, just for my personal
>> systems.  I'd expect to pay more for an enterprise solution, but would
>> have to give it more thought before I actually approved it for general
>> use.  I need another support issue like I need a lobotomy.
>
>I think you've just proven my point.  Sure, the ability to run some Windows
>apps would be valuable, but not if you got extra headaches in the mix.  And
>let's face it, you're going to get Windows headaches if you're running any
>kind of a Windows environment -- even an emulated one.  Plus whatever
problems
>you already had, plus whatever problems the emulator has.

As I said, it depends on the implementation.  Look at the windows 3.1 
emulation in OS/2 - that was faster and more stable (substantially!) 
than windows native.

>I've used products like these for more than a decade and a half and while
they
>sometimes have their uses they do not tend to work as well as a native
>solution -- and they tend to cost more, too.  If you need the application bad
>enough you should run it native.

Not while the system has to stay up...



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From: warpguru@geocities.com                            17-Dec-99 11:22:11
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 10:29:26
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: warpguru@geocities.com (Roman Stangl)

In article <38570D8A.2817DBB9@optonline.net>,
 on Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:47:07 GMT,
 Alan Beagley <Alan> writes:
>Is there a program one can use to compare what is on a CD-ROM (CD-R or
>CD-RW) with the files on a source CD-ROM or hard disk?
>
>At least for the first few "burns" I would like to check whether the
>newly created disk contains what it is supposed to contain.
>
>Alan

You may also try my XCOMP/2 Utility. You can download it (including the
source) at: www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/7885/

Regards, Roman

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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            17-Dec-99 11:36:13
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 10:29:26
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

On 17 Dec 1999, John Poltorak wrote:

 >Actually, when I did a small test, I had two files exactly the same size
 >and date but the contents were different. When I used the -q option, the
 >files were shown as being different which indicates that a byte by byte
 >comparison is done even with the -q option.
 
 Oops...
 
 In that case I don't understand the function of the '-q' option...
 
 Maybe it stops after finding the first difference.

This is what the "man" says:

     -q       Report only whether the files differ, not the details of the
              differences.

So, here's two examples (2 files, both called "my_file", one in "my_dir"
and one in "my_dir_copy". Both files have the same size and date. One
contains "my_text" whilst the other contains "txet_ym" (due to some
glitch in copying, for example)):

Example 1: diff -r my_dir my_dir_copy

     diff -r my_dir/my_file my_dir_copy/my_file
     1c1
     < my_text
     ---
     > txet_ym

Example 2: diff -rq my_dir my_dir_copy

     Files my_dir/my_file and my_dir_copy/my_file differ


For verifying a backup or any other form of copy, the -q option is ideal
as the report produced is short and sweet. If nothing is reported, then
there are no differences.

Cheers,
Steve

Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517



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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               17-Dec-99 05:27:27
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On 17 Dec 1999 10:08:15 GMT, John Poltorak wrote:

>In <xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fmv6jo1.pminews@news.pacbell.net>, "Kim 
Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> writes:
>>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:32:44 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:
>>
>>>Ahh, but WSOD is *not* a full-blown OS/2!  It's effectively OS/2 in an NC
>>>configuration.  You can do pretty well at reducing NT's COO if you strip it
>>>down to NC capability levels too.
>>
>>Ignorance is the root of foolish mind.    Who said WSOD is *not* a
full-blown
>>OS/2?   How much do you know about WSOD?
>>
>
>It's hugely different! After all, when it boots up you get an IBM boot blob,
rather
>than an OS/2 boot blob. That proves it is not OS/2  ;-)...
>

ROFL!!!

>BTW I've been looking for some sources of info on RIPL on the Internet,
>but have drawn a blank. IBM have very little to say about it (AFAICS),
>and there is no mention of it in the IBM Developer Connection program and
>that seems to cover almost every IBM software available.

You're looking under the wrong title.    WsOD over DHCP/PXE has been there
since ver 2.0.    It takes a lot longer then RPL though.

>
>I recently bought an IBM Network Station and have been trying get Warp 4
>running on it - (I can't find a demo of WSOD 2 although I got sent a copy of
>WSOD 1), but I can't get sound configured. MINSTALL seems to fall over if
>there is no local hard disk, and I haven't come across a CID method of
installing
>sound drivers.
>
>Any pointers/suggestions would be greatfully received.
>

Save yourself some grey hair - get WiseManager (shameless plug).   Check out
www.serenity-systems.com.




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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               17-Dec-99 08:43:19
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Chris Stumpf wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:04:18 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:
> :>I've been wondering about this claim.  It seems to me that raw data copy
> :>performance would put you well beyond that point.  It takes on the order
of 5
> :>minutes to re-ghost a Windows system, for instance.  Now, I know OS/2 is
> :>smaller, but it's not two orders of magnitude smaller.
> :>
> :>How is it managed?
> 
> You are thinking like windows.  Stop for just a few seconds and clear you
> mind.

Will you give me the benefit of the doubt for a minute?  I'm not a
Windows-head; even though I may decide that it gets the job done fairly well
sometimes I'm much more inclined to use something else.  But I do have some
preconceived notions and clearly they aren't always right.  I hadn't known
about the RIPL option.

> Now, here is how it works.  IBM placed the ability to do RIPL over the
> network.  RIPL stands for Remote Initial Program Load.  All the files for
> each workstation reside on the server.  No hard drive is required in the
> workstation, although if there is one, it can be used for virtual memory
swap
> space to reduce network traffic.

OK, it's effectively a diskless workstation arrangement.  I had been presuming
a more standard PC setup, and my arguments were skewed as a result.

Before you go off thinking that this is some cool technology IBM thought up,
Sun did this back in the mid 80s.  For awhile there the Sun 3/50 diskless
systems were terrifically popular -- you could save a grand or so per machine
by not including a disk.  But there were some problems.

Total reliance on the network required a lot more network and server bandwidth
to support.  Clusters didn't scale well; beyond a few tens of systems you'd
crush a server, and single ethernet segments tended to collapse at about 15
workstations.

By the late 80s your typical workstation cluster was dataless; a local drive
held the OS and applications and swap and you worked with data that was
centrally stored.  That was a huge, huge win in both performance and
scalability, but if your applications were data-hungry you still bottlenecked
on the network.

Worst of all, both of these designs made the network and server systems single
points of failure.  Lose a server and you lose a whole cluster of
workstations.  (But then you can go play ping-pong, so it wasn't a total loss
from a workstation users's point of view.)

It may be the case that network infrastructure capabilities have expanded to
the point where this is a lot more practical; after all, 100Mbps switched
ethernet is the norm rather than 10Mbps shared.  Unfortunately the data got
bigger too, a lot bigger, so it might be a wash.  And in terms of TCO,
switched ethernet systems add hundreds of dollars per user before you even
talk about server requirements.

Now, the PC world tried this kind of arrangement right around 1988 or 1989 and
rapidly abandoned it.  I presumed they had the same scalability problems.

There are, of course, a number of situations in which a diskless or dataless
arrangement will work very well -- for instance, if you are running
applications that require very little data.  A web application or terminal
application would be a fine example of that, hence the big NC push (Sun really
wanted to sell NCs that were little more than the same diskless workstations
they were selling years ago).  But general office environments use their PCs
for a lot of data management, and diskless/dataless arrangements don't work so
well then.  This kind of thing would be terrific at a bank though, they
usually just use PCs as terminals to back-end apps.

> Does this explain things a little better for you?

Yes, thank you.

jim

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               17-Dec-99 08:58:25
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

Chris Stumpf wrote:
> :>These exist for Win9x too, and yet they don't affect COO noticably.  It's
just
> :>too easy to get around them.  You need the lock-down ability in the OS
proper,
> :>not layered onto the desktop, because typical applications allow numerous
> :>gateways to OS features.
> :>
> OS/2 has the hooks for C-2 level security built into the OS and there are
> several addons that take advantage of this.  OS/2 can be made secure with
> little effort as it does not have the holes that Windows does.

I wasn't aware of this.  That does help a whole lot.  I really wish they'd put
the security in the box, though, I'm really not keen on layered technologies. 
Usually there are gaps in the layers.

As for whether or not Windows has holes, well, I track NT security problems
and almost all of the problems with NT security amount to not bothering to use
the security.

> :>Your figures totally ignore the network infrastructure cost of these
systems.
> :>They are now totally dependent on the network -- and network
infrastructure is
> :>many times more expensive than local disk and slower to boot.
> :>
> :>We used to use this configuration with Sun 3/50 hardware.  It sure did
make
> :>administration easy, but we had to have many times the network and server
> :>capability to support it. [...]
>
> Now you are talking about Xwindows.  This is a different animal altogether.

No, I wasn't talking X.  This was before there was an X11; we were still using
SunView (traditional node-locked graphics).  The arrangement was identical to
what you're describing.

> The servers are doing the program execution and spewing graphics over the
> network.  I can support 30 machines on one server and not a huge server at
> that.

That number sounds realistic to me, even conservative.

> So, I realize you are talking from your experience, but the
> technologies are so very different.

Virtually identical.  Even the scalability numbers are surprisingly close.

jim

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From: jimf@frostbytes.com                               17-Dec-99 09:16:11
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com>

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
> >It may be hard for a lot of people to believe but you can actually do a
> >whole lot of work on your typical Linux system without ever touching a
command
> >line.  I use my Linux desktop pretty much the same as I always used my
Windows
> >desktop -- hell, KDE is practically a knockoff.
> 
> I'm aware of the GUI features available - and I keep hearing about how
> they work perfectly until they stop...  Maybe in another year or so, but
> I don't think I'm ready to recommend this quite yet.

I can understand your reticence, but believe me -- things have progressed
remarkably fast.  What you may have seen patched together even six months ago
is nowhere near what is available out-of-the-box today.  I'm not joking when I
say that Linux is progressing faster than anything in history.

> >I think you're stretching things to say that everyone would rebel because
they
> >had to type in a user name and password; they have to do that with pretty
much
> >any networking system out there.  There are certainly going to be some
issues
> >but they're no worse than teaching someone how to do basic things with WPS
and
> >typical GUI applications.  It's all basically the same stuff.
> 
> I wasn't clear.  I don't think they'd rebel because of having to type in
> a logon, I think they'd hang me because changing the OS would require a
> user interface and application software switch.  Not an option for at
> least another 15 years, preferably 20 - after I retire.

Ok, that I can really buy.  I've had to put people through OS changes three
times in my career, and they always go nuts over it -- even if the basic
interface they use really didn't change.  I think it's fear more than
anything, because it never took them too long to get used to (a few weeks even
for the slow ones) and usually they were pleased to get new capabilities
(though those took a lot longer to percolate through the user base).  The
really tough conversion was CLI to GUI; they all had to learn to use a mouse. 
Thank God that was in the days before you had to use drag-and-drop for
everything. :-)

I think you're mistaken if you think you can hold users to something similar
to what they're using now for 15 years.  The hardware is going to change
dramatically in the next few years -- much more mobile in particular, and very
network-centric.  We're in the early adopter stage of the next generation
now.  Five years from now the entire landscape of computing will look much
different.

> Your knowledge of OS/2 has a few errors in it. Everything from the
> phrase "if you're under the assumption" down is incorrect. I have file
> system security enabled right now, for example.  I should mention that
> if you chose to use FAT filesystem under OS/2, you deserve what you will
> get - lousy performance and any number of other problems.

Thanks, clearly I was operating under misconceptions.  As for FAT, I tend to
believe that you deserve what you get no matter what OS you're using it with
:-).

> >I think you've just proven my point.  Sure, the ability to run some Windows
> >apps would be valuable, but not if you got extra headaches in the mix.  And
> >let's face it, you're going to get Windows headaches if you're running any
> >kind of a Windows environment -- even an emulated one.  Plus whatever
problems
> >you already had, plus whatever problems the emulator has.
> 
> As I said, it depends on the implementation.  Look at the windows 3.1
> emulation in OS/2 - that was faster and more stable (substantially!)
> than windows native.

That wouldn't have been hard :-).  It was certainly true of Win3.1 emulation
under NT too.  But Win-OS/2 was done with the aid of source code; you can bet
your bottom dollar that you're not going to have Win9x source code to work
from, so you're fighting Microsoft all the way.

I think the only sane approach to doing this is a VM.

> >I've used products like these for more than a decade and a half and while
they
> >sometimes have their uses they do not tend to work as well as a native
> >solution -- and they tend to cost more, too.  If you need the application
bad
> >enough you should run it native.
> 
> Not while the system has to stay up...

Don't run it native on a critical system.

jim

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From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com                              17-Dec-99 14:20:13
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com (Brad Benson)

"Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> wrote:

] Brad,
] 
] We are talking about the 'rebuid' time - not boot time.
] 

So how long would it take, assuming the client was 100% blank (hard
disk failure / complete system replacement / etc.), to completely
rebuild it?  More than seconds, I would assume.  As I said, if you
discard the time needed to boot the PC and load whatever disaster
recovery software / network software / whatever, then it's possible
but under the same rules you can do that with something like InfoZip
or one of the commercial backup applications.

I'm not knocking WiseManager, I'm just trying to understand how DR is
so much faster with it than without it.

Cheers,

Brad
replace "spamtrap" with "benson" in my reply address

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From: hemo_jr@attglobal.net                             17-Dec-99 08:38:23
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: "Matt Hickman" <hemo_jr@attglobal.net>

In <zehW4odSRUfS089yn@ibm.net>, on 12/17/99 
   at 06:00 AM, jknott@ibm.net (James Knott) said:
>>
>>In any case the claim that OS/2 1.1 was the first GUI-equipped OS for the PC
>>was dead wrong.

>Anyone remember GEM from Digital Research?  It would run (walk?) on an
>XT.

Was TopView a GUI front end or was text based?

-- 
Matt Hickman     
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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               17-Dec-99 07:23:17
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:43:39 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:

>OK, it's effectively a diskless workstation arrangement.  I had been
presuming
>a more standard PC setup, and my arguments were skewed as a result.
>
>Before you go off thinking that this is some cool technology IBM thought up,
>Sun did this back in the mid 80s.  For awhile there the Sun 3/50 diskless
>systems were terrifically popular -- you could save a grand or so per machine
>by not including a disk.  But there were some problems.
>

The concept of RPL is as old as there are dumb terminals.   The devel is in
the details.    We are not talking about rocket science here.     IBM had
RPL.   Novell had RPL.   Sun had RPL.    Even NT can RPL - if you believe
them.

>Total reliance on the network required a lot more network and server
bandwidth
>to support.  

Well, what is "a lot".     Let's look at that.     First of all, the Warp 4
kernel is very small - less than 1M: around 700K or so.    Once you booted,
you never need to boot the second time because you can go into sleep mode (or
roll out as CDC would call it; instant on as WsOD would call it) when you
turn off the local machine.    The next time you need to boot, it comes alive
with virtually no load on the network.

As for server loading, because your processing is decentralized (as they
should be - hello - Citrix), there is hardly any load off the server.

>Clusters didn't scale well; beyond a few tens of systems you'd
>crush a server, 

Not true with the OS/2 RPL.    I believe the largest implementation is in the
4 digit numbers.

>and single ethernet segments tended to collapse at about 15
>workstations.

Token ring would be the best - of course - let's not get into that.   With
the cost of ethernet switches these days, that's hardly an issue anymore.

>
>By the late 80s your typical workstation cluster was dataless; a local drive
>held the OS and applications and swap and you worked with data that was
>centrally stored.  That was a huge, huge win in both performance and
>scalability, but if your applications were data-hungry you still bottlenecked
>on the network.

A properly designed and implemented diskless network would not have such a
problem.    Mind you that when we say "diskless" - we are referring to the
term in a "virtual" sense - not a physical sense.    You can still have local
hard drive - to reduce network bandwidth loading - but it's a  "virtual"
drive.   What you try to do is to cut the "dependency" - not the physical
media.

>
>Worst of all, both of these designs made the network and server systems
single
>points of failure.  Lose a server and you lose a whole cluster of
>workstations.  (But then you can go play ping-pong, so it wasn't a total loss
>from a workstation users's point of view.)

I don't know who started this non-sense.    In reliability engineering, what
you want to do is to HAVE a single point of failure whereby you can
strengthen up that single point of failure to any degree of reliability.   
Server farm is one stupid idea.    There is good reason why lots of
enterprise are starting junking their server farms and gone back to
main-frames.

>
>It may be the case that network infrastructure capabilities have expanded to
>the point where this is a lot more practical; after all, 100Mbps switched
>ethernet is the norm rather than 10Mbps shared.  Unfortunately the data got
>bigger too, a lot bigger, so it might be a wash.  And in terms of TCO,
>switched ethernet systems add hundreds of dollars per user before you even
>talk about server requirements.
>
>Now, the PC world tried this kind of arrangement right around 1988 or 1989
and
>rapidly abandoned it.  I presumed they had the same scalability problems.


Time has changed.    (a) Technology caught up with things (b) whether you do
this or not, most operations depend on the network being up ANYWAY for them
to function.   So what's the difference?    I know of one case where they
distribute, replicate, and maintain a 1G database in 500 stations - in the
name of saving network bandwidth.

How studpid.

Network engineering is pretty mature.    You just have to do the job right.

>
>There are, of course, a number of situations in which a diskless or dataless
>arrangement will work very well -- for instance, if you are running
>applications that require very little data.  A web application or terminal
>application would be a fine example of that, hence the big NC push (Sun
really
>wanted to sell NCs that were little more than the same diskless workstations
>they were selling years ago).  But general office environments use their PCs
>for a lot of data management, and diskless/dataless arrangements don't work
so
>well then.  This kind of thing would be terrific at a bank though, they
>usually just use PCs as terminals to back-end apps.

For data intense situations, it makes it that much more important to have
redundency and protection of that data.    With thousands of the stations
distributed, who's managing those data?   The end-user?   Who's handling
recovery?   The end-user?   (Sure, they back up all the time, right?   We
know how useful distributed backups are).   If you're saying I can automate
it and upload them from time to time, well, guess what?    In this env,
that's done AUTOMATICALLY.

The thing is to remember is that in OS/2, the term "diskless" is virtual -
not physical.




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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              17-Dec-99 10:32:04
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:58:50 -0500, Jim Frost wrote:


--snip--

:>> Now you are talking about Xwindows.  This is a different animal
altogether.
:>
:>No, I wasn't talking X.  This was before there was an X11; we were still
using
:>SunView (traditional node-locked graphics).  The arrangement was identical
to
:>what you're describing.
:>

Sorry, my mistake.  I'm not familiar with SunView.  Could you explian it in a
little more detail?

:>> The servers are doing the program execution and spewing graphics over the
:>> network.  I can support 30 machines on one server and not a huge server at
:>> that.
:>
:>That number sounds realistic to me, even conservative.
:>
Actually it is conservative.  The worst bottle neck in the entire system is
network bandwidth.  And that is really only a huge problem at boot time. 
During regular use, the demands on the network are not terribly great.  

:>> So, I realize you are talking from your experience, but the
:>> technologies are so very different.
:>
:>Virtually identical.  Even the scalability numbers are surprisingly close.

Again, I'm not familiar with sunview, please explain more.

		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: lennart-remove-@plg.-remove-a.se                  17-Dec-99 16:57:13
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: "Lennart Gahm" <lennart-remove-@plg.-remove-a.se>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:00:03 -0500, James Knott wrote:

>In article <38579155.BB424208@frostbytes.com>,
>Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com> wrote:
>>Dave Tholen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jim Frost writes:
>>> 
>>> > So not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
>>> > distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
>>> 
>>> I guess that depends on what you call a "fully distributed" GUI.  There
>>> is a product that will let you see the OS/2 desktop with a web browser.
>>> That means you can run your OS/2 desktop from UNIX, for example.
>>
>>I stand corrected.
>>
>>In any case the claim that OS/2 1.1 was the first GUI-equipped OS for the PC
>>was dead wrong.
>
>Anyone remember GEM from Digital Research?  It would run (walk?) on an
>XT.

One of my customers still uses GEM, mostly on a 286. It controls a
measurement instrument from Brl&Kjr. GEM isn't (wasn't) that bad but it
uses a different way to control buttons from the keyboard than OS/2 or
Windows, no Ctrl/Alt + something more. It is litte frustrating...
If DR had continued to dewelop GEM it could have been as graphical as what we
are use to to day.
GEM was an interface on top of DOS like W3.x/95/98, but they could't survive
the Microsoft monopoly. 
Bye the way, Brl&Kjr could newer get their application to run reliably on
Windows in those days.
If you run GEM on modern hardware it is extremly fast, and it needs almost no
memory or big hard-disks.
 
 


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                17-Dec-99 15:16:16
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Java118 updates at Hursley-12-16-99

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:51:51, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk 
(John Poltorak) wrote:

There are quite a number of differences. The directory name has changed
from javaos2 to java11, which means a number of lines in config.sys need
changing. There's also classpath and possibly other variables, and I have
no idea if there are any JAVA settings in os2.ini. Is there a script which
will
automate these changes, or does it need to be done manually?

Both BMT Micro and Indelible Blue have update CDs that have 
the latest fixpacks, tcp/ip, and java releases. They update 
them shortly after new stuff comes out.


________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               17-Dec-99 07:26:20
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On 17 Dec 1999 14:05:22 GMT, doug@hotrocks.msfc.nasa.gov wrote:

>600MB of CD in a couple of minutes.  The diff command used is 

Okay, I can say for sure now XCOMP was the program I used.    It's extremely
fast.


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          17-Dec-99 15:57:17
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Java118 updates at Hursley-12-16-99

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:51:51, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John 
Poltorak) wrote:

snip
> >
> >I couldn't help noticing they've also updated Java117 a few days ago. 
> >Wonder why they maintain multiple versions so close together? I do, 
> >too.
> 
> Maybe the same bug has been fixed in both versions...

I was surprised they were maintaining two versions so close together.

> 
> I recently had to re-install Warp 4 from scratch and wondered if there is
> a procedure for updating JAVA... 

ftp://ps.software.ibm.com/software/asd/java/en_us/javainuf.exe

is the complete Java118 package. It installs via Netscape and its 
Features Install (FI), and you might also have to update your FI to 
run the Install. Complicated business for some systems, so start with 
Duane Chamblee's WARPUP page:

http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/latestwarp4.html



> 
> There are quite a number of differences. The directory name has changed
> from javaos2 to java11, which means a number of lines in config.sys need
> changing. There's also classpath and possibly other variables, and I have
> no idea if there are any JAVA settings in os2.ini. Is there a script which
will
> automate these changes, or does it need to be done manually? 
> 
> >Anybody gotten the JRE to work under Netscape? It's a titch smaller, 
> >and though I've got it running SmartCache, I can't work out how to 
> >make the JRE be the Java that Netscape calls for applets.
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >Good luck,
> >
> >Buddy
> >
> >Buddy Donnelly
> >donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
> >
> >
> 
> --
> John

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          17-Dec-99 16:03:16
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: [OT] was Re: +++GET YOUR FREE PENTIUM CELERON-300+++___________________

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:07:13, "Stephen Bennett" <s.bennett@uea.ac.uk> 
wrote:

> This bloody thing opened automatically:-((((

Your headers say you're using Outlook Express. It doesn't open 
automatically in any OS/2 news client, a nice security feature.

And please check your cross-posting list before replying, in future. 
SPAM gets worse when magnified by replies.

(by mail and followup)
-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     17-Dec-99 16:19:20
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Netscape: long downloads lost

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:11:29, "frank schmittroth" <franks@owt.com> 
wrote:

> I'm not an expert here.  Having said that, I don't understand how
> the UN_980 update would fix the Netscape download problem.  My
> understanding is that UN_980 fixes TCP applications, not the TCP/IP
> stack, and I assume that Netscape has its own ftp routine.
>  
> I _am_ aware of the potential link of the netscape problem to tcpip.
> Frank.
> 

UN_980 is supposed to be a "universal" fix thing for TCP/IP. I don't 
know all of the things that it fixes. I do know that it does cross 
over into "other" areas, that are normally looked after by other fix 
packs (READ the INF file). I also know, that when I tried to download 
StarOffice, from the SUN web site, I never got past 8 meg, until I 
installed UN_980, and then I got all the way to 56 meg (out of about 
66 meg). By that time, I had been doing a lot of things, that I, 
probably, shouldn't have been doing (just seeing if I could blow it 
up). Well, I did manage to blow it up, but now I am not sure if I 
could have got the whole file, if I had just left it alone. Someday, 
soon, I will try again, and just leave it alone this time. Overall, it
does seem to be MUCH better. I don't know why, but it IS better.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            17-Dec-99 16:52:08
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:00:03, jknott@ibm.net (James Knott) wrote:

> In article <38579155.BB424208@frostbytes.com>,
> Jim Frost <jimf@frostbytes.com> wrote:
> >Dave Tholen wrote:
> >> 
> >> Jim Frost writes:
> >> 
> >> > So not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
> >> > distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
> >> 
> >> I guess that depends on what you call a "fully distributed" GUI.  There
> >> is a product that will let you see the OS/2 desktop with a web browser.
> >> That means you can run your OS/2 desktop from UNIX, for example.
> >
> >I stand corrected.
> >
> >In any case the claim that OS/2 1.1 was the first GUI-equipped OS for the
PC
> >was dead wrong.
> 
> Anyone remember GEM from Digital Research?  It would run (walk?) on an
> XT.
> 
GeoWorks would make an XT leave burning tyremarks next to a Windows 
3.1 AT.
It's still around, nowadays going by the name "New Deal Office" (I 
think the latest version needs at least an AT, but I'm not sure).

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
=======================================================
"The method employed I would gladly explain,
While I have it so clear in my head,
If I had but the time and you had but the brain -
But much yet remains to be said."

the Hunting of the Snark (Lewis Carroll)
=======================================================

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        17-Dec-99 17:03:20
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:15
Subj: Re: Program to Compare/Verify CD-R?

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fmvx8h2.pminews@news.pacbell.net>, "Kim
Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> writes:
>On 17 Dec 1999 14:05:22 GMT, doug@hotrocks.msfc.nasa.gov wrote:
>
>>600MB of CD in a couple of minutes.  The diff command used is 
>
>Okay, I can say for sure now XCOMP was the program I used.    It's extremely
>fast.
>
>

just searched Hobbes for xcomp....

No files found

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From: ewilson@usa.net                                   17-Dec-99 13:28:26
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: MO Disk & HPFS

From: work <ewilson@usa.net>

I have been successfully using the Fujitsu 640SE drive for quite some
time on OS/2. The disks are partitioned (1 partition) and formatted for
HPFS. I have a mixture or 128, 230, and 540 disks. All working great and
very reliable. So what you are attempting is very possible!

You need to disable by rem'ing out all OEM drivers for this device.  
Only use the drivers from Sam Detwiler's package NEWDASD2. I think these
drivers have now been incorporated into the fixpacks (Driver fixpacks).
Here are the pertinent statements from my config.sys:

BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /rf /of               (these switches came from
                                           Sam's package) 
rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OPTICAL.DMD /V
BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD                       (running on PCMCIA card in
                                           thinkpad)  

 

Alex Blair wrote:
> 
> I am trying again to get HPFS support for a Fujitsu Dynamo 640 SE drive with
> the n512dasd.flt file as suggested by others. All is well when using the
> Fujitsu driver (modisk.sys) except that it supports only FAT drives.
> 
> I have tried this on 2 systems but cannot get either to function properly.
> The last attempts on both systems show that a removable device is
virtualized
> at boot time. However, the device is recognized as an ATAPI CD ROM drive,
not
> an MO drive (or is the n512dasd.flt virtualizing the CDROM drive a second
> time?). What might I be doing wrong?
> 
> Here are the pertinent config.sys lines from the home office system in
> (relative) order of appearance in the config.sys file :
> 
> REM ** Optical Drive **
> rem BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /SHARE
> BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /ALL
> 
> REM ** For HPFS support on Optical Drives **
> BASEDEV=N512DASD.FLT /v
> 
> REM /rf Switch for Removeable Media
> REM BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /rf
> 
> REM /of Switch for Optical Media
> BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /of /rf
> REM ** I have tried also the /of swith alone **
> 
> REM ** SCSI Card **
> BASEDEV=SIGSCSI.ADD
> BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
> 
> REM ** Fujitsu 3.5" SCSI MO Disk Device Driver (ver 2.1 US) **
> rem DEVICE=\OS2\MODISK.SYS /R1
> 
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Alex Blair
> ablair@ibm.net

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From: ewilson@usa.net                                   17-Dec-99 13:35:09
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: MO Disk & HPFS

From: work <ewilson@usa.net>

Forgot to add. Also in the NEWDASD package were:

BASEDEV=IBMIDECD.FLT
BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD


 

work wrote:
> 
> I have been successfully using the Fujitsu 640SE drive for quite some
> time on OS/2. The disks are partitioned (1 partition) and formatted for
> HPFS. I have a mixture or 128, 230, and 540 disks. All working great and
> very reliable. So what you are attempting is very possible!
> 
> You need to disable by rem'ing out all OEM drivers for this device.
> Only use the drivers from Sam Detwiler's package NEWDASD2. I think these
> drivers have now been incorporated into the fixpacks (Driver fixpacks).
> Here are the pertinent statements from my config.sys:
> 
> BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /rf /of               (these switches came from
>                                            Sam's package)
> rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OPTICAL.DMD /V
> BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
> BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD                       (running on PCMCIA card in
>                                            thinkpad)
> 
> 
> 
> Alex Blair wrote:
> >
> > I am trying again to get HPFS support for a Fujitsu Dynamo 640 SE drive
with
> > the n512dasd.flt file as suggested by others. All is well when using the
> > Fujitsu driver (modisk.sys) except that it supports only FAT drives.
> >
> > I have tried this on 2 systems but cannot get either to function properly.
> > The last attempts on both systems show that a removable device is
virtualized
> > at boot time. However, the device is recognized as an ATAPI CD ROM drive,
not
> > an MO drive (or is the n512dasd.flt virtualizing the CDROM drive a second
> > time?). What might I be doing wrong?
> >
> > Here are the pertinent config.sys lines from the home office system in
> > (relative) order of appearance in the config.sys file :
> >
> > REM ** Optical Drive **
> > rem BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /SHARE
> > BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /ALL
> >
> > REM ** For HPFS support on Optical Drives **
> > BASEDEV=N512DASD.FLT /v
> >
> > REM /rf Switch for Removeable Media
> > REM BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /rf
> >
> > REM /of Switch for Optical Media
> > BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /of /rf
> > REM ** I have tried also the /of swith alone **
> >
> > REM ** SCSI Card **
> > BASEDEV=SIGSCSI.ADD
> > BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
> >
> > REM ** Fujitsu 3.5" SCSI MO Disk Device Driver (ver 2.1 US) **
> > rem DEVICE=\OS2\MODISK.SYS /R1
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Alex Blair
> > ablair@ibm.net

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From: as@sci.fi                                         16-Dec-99 20:19:24
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: Bug in mkisofs with Joliet FS - missing files?

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride) writes:

> No. But just trying to understand the syntax of declaring what directory you
> want copied and where-to is enough to make a guy drink. I undestand that
these
> utilities (mkisofs and cdrecod) are being ported from the unix world, but
man
> have a heart for us OS/2 users... :')

Well, maybe one of the frontends would make it easier for you? I'm a
Unix person, so I don't have a problem using mkisofs and cdrecord.
 
For the original poster, there have been bugs in mkisofs concerning
directories, but usually when making multi-session discs. I don't know
what the problem is, but if you can make a specific example that the
author (or the guy who ported it to OS/2) can duplicate it, it'll
probably get fixed.

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          17-Dec-99 14:58:23
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: [OT] was Re: +++GET YOUR FREE PENTIUM 

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:07:13, "Stephen Bennett" <s.bennett@uea.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > This bloody thing opened automatically:-((((
> 
> Your headers say you're using Outlook Express. It doesn't open
> automatically in any OS/2 news client, a nice security feature.

It opened automatically on my system:

Warp v4
NS Comm 4.61 (newsgroup portion)

By "opened" I mean a browser window was invoked, the website was 
contacted, and the html page was loaded and displayed on my screen.
This occurred by simply displaying the newsgroup article using
Communicator for OS/2 v4.61.

Bennie Nelson

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          17-Dec-99 20:55:19
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: [OT] was Re: +++GET YOUR FREE PENTIUM  CELERON-300+++______________

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:58:46, Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>
wrote:

> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:07:13, "Stephen Bennett" <s.bennett@uea.ac.uk>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > This bloody thing opened automatically:-((((
> > 
> > Your headers say you're using Outlook Express. It doesn't open
> > automatically in any OS/2 news client, a nice security feature.
> 
> It opened automatically on my system:
> 
> Warp v4
> NS Comm 4.61 (newsgroup portion)
> 
> By "opened" I mean a browser window was invoked, the website was 
> contacted, and the html page was loaded and displayed on my screen.
> This occurred by simply displaying the newsgroup article using
> Communicator for OS/2 v4.61.

Scary. Glad I don't use NS for news, then.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             17-Dec-99 21:16:00
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: Java118 updates at Hursley-12-16-99

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:02:56, Thomas Kellerer 
<Thomas.Kellerer@tps-labs.com> wrote:

> I would recommend not installing the Java supplied with the Warp 4 CD is
> Java 1.0 and it is probably quite hard to upgrade that. It would be
> better not to install the Java when installing Warp4 and then download
> the complete 118 package and install it afterwards.

Even if you elect not to install Java when installing Warp 4, it will 
still install at least a part of it.  There is a little bit of cycle 
involved there.  Installing Java11 needs netscape.  Netscape in turn 
installs Java 1.0.3.  But maybe Communicator doesn't.

Regards
Milind

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From: frederic.lefoll@free.fr                           17-Dec-99 21:46:07
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: [OT] was Re: +++GET YOUR FREE PENTIUM 

From: Frederic LE FOLL <frederic.lefoll@free.fr>

Bernie,

Did you invalidate "Activate JavaScript for mail and news" in NS
Advanced options ?

Fred.

Bennie Nelson a crit :
> 
> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:07:13, "Stephen Bennett" <s.bennett@uea.ac.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This bloody thing opened automatically:-((((
> >
> > Your headers say you're using Outlook Express. It doesn't open
> > automatically in any OS/2 news client, a nice security feature.
> 
> It opened automatically on my system:
> 
> Warp v4
> NS Comm 4.61 (newsgroup portion)
> 
> By "opened" I mean a browser window was invoked, the website was
> contacted, and the html page was loaded and displayed on my screen.
> This occurred by simply displaying the newsgroup article using
> Communicator for OS/2 v4.61.
> 
> Bennie Nelson

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From: hharris@netcomuk.co.uk                            17-Dec-99 21:55:19
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: Java118 updates at Hursley-12-16-99

From: "Howard Harris" <hharris@netcomuk.co.uk>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:10:18 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

>Refreshers just appeared for Java 1.18 at:
>
>ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com:/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118

Thanks for the heads up. They seem to have fixed whatever was causing my CPU
to continue working after I had closed my browser.

--
Howard


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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          17-Dec-99 23:03:22
  To: All                                               17-Dec-99 20:07:16
Subj: Re: [OT] was Re: +++GET YOUR FREE PENTIUM  CELERON-300+++______________

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:58:46, Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov> 
wrote:

:It opened automatically on my system:

 Turn off Javascript.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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