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From: JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk                       12-Dec-99 09:33:03
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 10:13:27
Subj: Re: DOIP with LAN - error message

From: JHB@jita.nospam.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your help - body of reply is at the end.

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 04:41:00, bob <bobmcl@ibm.net> wrote:

> > > > Occasionally when I select dial on DOIP, I get an error message saying
> > > > "Your host has a LAN adaptor configured.  You may not be able to
> > > > access machines on the LAN with a dial up link established."
> > > >
> > > > I use the other machine on the Lan as a print server and quite often
> > > > print while I'm connected via a dial up link so don't appear to have
> > > > a problem.
> > > >
> > > > But why is the message intermittent?  Does it mean that something is
> > > > set up wrongly?
> > >
> > >  DOIP has to change your routing tables to cater for the dialled
> > > connection. These changes may disable some LAN connections, depending on
> > > your configuration, hence the message. The main change is it puts a
> > > default route. If that replaces an existing default you may be trouble.
> > > Use 'netstat -r' to check before and after settings.
> >
> > Thanks for the answer - I'll try that.  I did a bit more investigation
> > of the TCP settings yesterday - one of those areas where the on-line
> > help is not as good as usual - it looks as though, even on a basic
> > network, it is necessary to set up a router function.  In my case I've
> > now set each machine to use the other as the default router.
> >
> > Not sure what netstat -r is tellling me but here are the results after
> > being connected to the internet.  Not connected when I ran the netstat
> > command.
> >
> >   destination         router          netmask   refcnt   use  flags
> > snmp intrf
> >
> > metric
> >         default    10.143.100.2         0.0.0.0    0        4  UG
> >  0  lan0
> >        10.0.0.0    10.143.100.2       255.0.0.0    0        0  UG
> >  0  lan0
> >    10.143.100.0    10.143.100.1   255.255.255.0    0        0  U
> >  0  lan0
> >    10.143.100.2    10.143.100.1 255.255.255.255    1        0  UH
> >  0  lan0
> >
> > Once again the on-line help for netstat doesn't provide much
> > information.
> 
>  Jim, the DOIP has created a default route through 10.143.100.2. I guess
this
> is part of your ISP's network. It has also removed your routes that you set
> up. My experience is that DOIP should restore your routes when it closes.
Try
> running it with 'debug' on (on the front panel). This may show you what is
> happening.
> Your routes should be in x:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd. You can run this (or any
> command with TCPIP config commands in it) at any time, not just boot up. If
> this file has your routes in it, a workaround will be to run it after DOIP
> closes. You may find a file setup.bak that has your configuration, if
> setup.cmd has been changed to your ISP's config.
> I haven't found the need to supply routes for locally connected devices.
Maybe
> you needed them while the two adapters were configured.

Perhaps I shouldn't be worrying - after all it is just a warning 
message - the network shows no problems before, during or after a dial
up connection.

A bit more detail might help.  My complete home network consists of a 
686 (pentium grade) machine running Warp 4, a 386DX40 running Warp 3 
Connect and (occasionally) an IBM Thinkpad running Windows 95.  The IP
addresses are 10.143,100.1, 10.143,100.2, and 10.143,100.3 
respectively.  My ISP, Demon, assigns me a fixed IP address which is 
158.152.174.148 (IIRC).  The modem is connected to the 686 and I run 
DOIP locally.  The 386 is used as a file and print server.

Originally I had no router set up in the TCP/IP configuration settings
but recently added:
DEFAULT with router= 10.143.100.2 and metric= 1
which caused the OS to add
NET destination=10, Router= 10.143.100.2, Metric= 1, Subnet mask= 
255.0.0.0

Running netstat -r before, during and after a dial up connection 
produces the following:

running Lan alone

[E:\]netstat -r

  destination         router          netmask   refcnt   use  flags  
snmp intrf
                                                                     
metric
        default    10.143.100.2         0.0.0.0    0        4  UG     
 0  lan0
       10.0.0.0    10.143.100.2       255.0.0.0    0        0  UG     
 0  lan0
   10.143.100.0    10.143.100.1   255.255.255.0    0        0  U      
 0  lan0
   10.143.100.2    10.143.100.1 255.255.255.255    1        0  UH     
 0  lan0


Whilst connected to Demon
[E:\]netstat -r

  destination         router          netmask   refcnt   use  flags  
snmp intrf
                                                                     
metric
        default   158.152.1.222         0.0.0.0    0        1  UG     
 0  ppp0
       10.0.0.0    10.143.100.2       255.0.0.0    0        0  UG     
 0  lan0
   10.143.100.0    10.143.100.1   255.255.255.0    0        0  U      
 0  lan0
   10.143.100.2    10.143.100.1 255.255.255.255    0        0  UH     
 0  lan0
  158.152.1.222 158.152.174.148 255.255.255.255    1        0  UH     
 0  ppp0


After disconnecting
[E:\]netstat -r

  destination         router          netmask   refcnt   use  flags  
snmp intrf
                                                                     
metric
        default    10.143.100.2         0.0.0.0    0        0  UG     
 0  lan0
       10.0.0.0    10.143.100.2       255.0.0.0    0        0  UG     
 0  lan0
   10.143.100.0    10.143.100.1   255.255.255.0    0        0  U      
 0  lan0
   10.143.100.2    10.143.100.1 255.255.255.255    1        0  UH     
 0  lan0

My setup.cmd file (E:\MPTN\BIN\Setup.cmd) is this:

route -fh
arp -f
ifconfig lan0 10.143.100.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
REM ifconfig lan1 
REM ifconfig lan2 
REM ifconfig lan3 
REM ifconfig lan4 
REM ifconfig lan5 
REM ifconfig lan6 
REM ifconfig lan7 
REM ifconfig sl0  
route add default 10.143.100.2 1  > null
route add net 10 10.143.100.2 1 netmask 255.0.0.0 
ipgate off

I have heard that using low numbers for the last field of an IP 
address can cause problems.  I'm planning to re-install everything on 
the 686 soon, so may take the opportunity of changing it's IP address 
to 10.143.100.10 - the IP addresses I chose were from one of the set 
of "Private" IP address ranges.

Thanks again for your suggestions.

--
Jim Backus  OS/2 - 32 bits without the bloat
bona fide replies to jimb(at)jita(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk
http://www.jita.demon.co.uk

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From: mlueck@lueckdatasystems.com                       12-Dec-99 09:17:15
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: 16 Bit Netscape 4.08 in Win-OS/2

From: Michael Lueck <mlueck@lueckdatasystems.com>


tvoltagg@home.com wrote:

> I need to run a 16 bit Netscape for use with Quicken 98 for my PC Banking.
> I installed versuion 4.08 and can't get it to see the Internet.  I'm running
> this computer behind a NAT firewall.  Does anyone else do this?

This is a very common problem with the 16bit Netscape running in WinOS2. I
seem
to remember that you have to go into Program Mangler, then run Netscape,
things
work "better". Ha Ha, I had to keep all my clients on OS/2's version 2.02
until
4.6 came out - 4.04 was a DOG! Should have been called pre alpha level.

Michael Lueck

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From: mlueck@lueckdatasystems.com                       12-Dec-99 09:20:02
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: IE4 or 5 installation

From: Michael Lueck <mlueck@lueckdatasystems.com>


Jon Schuck wrote:

>
> and to a previous reply, yes the MS VPN seems to use proprietary encryption.
> We ran into a huge problem a year ago trying to run an SSL intranet using
IE,
> NS, and Mac whatever browsers.  This is different than the VPN problem, but
> typical of the general issue.
>

Great, Billy the Kid stikes again. Thanks for the warning - I will remember
that
one when selling my solutions against M$ solutions.

Michael Lueck

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From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com                           12-Dec-99 14:48:09
  To: All                                               12-Dec-99 14:24:13
Subj: Re: 16 Bit Netscape 4.08 in Win-OS/2

From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com (George Czerw)

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:17:31, Michael Lueck 
<mlueck@lueckdatasystems.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> tvoltagg@home.com wrote:
> 
> > I need to run a 16 bit Netscape for use with Quicken 98 for my PC Banking.
> > I installed versuion 4.08 and can't get it to see the Internet.  I'm
running
> > this computer behind a NAT firewall.  Does anyone else do this?
> 
> This is a very common problem with the 16bit Netscape running in WinOS2. I
seem
> to remember that you have to go into Program Mangler, then run Netscape,
things
> work "better". Ha Ha, I had to keep all my clients on OS/2's version 2.02
until
> 4.6 came out - 4.04 was a DOG! Should have been called pre alpha level.
> 
> Michael Lueck
> 

I've been using 4.08 & it works fine!

Remember to include the following line in your autoexec.bat file:

SET ETC=C:\TCPIP\DOS\ETC

The lack of that line will mess up tcp/ip operation under dos & 
win/os2.  Also check to see that you have the following in your 
autoexec.bat file's PATH statement:

C:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN;

George

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From: svetter@ameritech.net                             14-Dec-99 13:44:06
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 16:42:03
Subj: IBM's ICSS product

From: Scott Vetter <svetter@ameritech.net>

   Just was wondering, but is IBM still marketing ICSS or have they
given up and just recomending Apache?

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From: sfactual@erols.com                                14-Dec-99 16:40:15
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 19:59:13
Subj: Re: IBM's ICSS product

From: Jon Schuck <sfactual@erols.com>

I think I remember an announcement that the e-business server is the
product now, and includes Apache.  Some limited term support for ICSS
was mentioned.

Scott Vetter wrote:

>    Just was wondering, but is IBM still marketing ICSS or have they
> given up and just recomending Apache?

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From: mgreene@exis.net                                  14-Dec-99 18:01:01
  To: All                                               14-Dec-99 21:14:07
Subj: Re: IBM's ICSS product

From: "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@exis.net>

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:40:30 -0500, Jon Schuck wrote:

>I think I remember an announcement that the e-business server is the
>product now, and includes Apache.  Some limited term support for ICSS
>was mentioned.
>
>Scott Vetter wrote:
>
>>    Just was wondering, but is IBM still marketing ICSS or have they
>> given up and just recomending Apache?
>
I thought they gave up on it??? Didn't it become Domino Go Server? I do know
Version 4.6?? came with my WSeB beta. They have a version of Apache for Linux
and other Uniux systems:

              IBM HTTP Server V1.3.6.1 for AIX, Sun Solaris, Windows NT and
Linux 

                
http://www-4.ibm.com/software/webservers/httpservers/download.html

No IBM supported version for OS/2.
Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net>     |      OS/2 Warp / Linux / Win95-311



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From: nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com                     14-Dec-99 21:50:14
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 03:46:00
Subj: Re: IBM's ICSS product

From: "Nick Saxon" <nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com>

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:01:03 -0500 (EST), Michael K Greene wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:40:30 -0500, Jon Schuck wrote:
>
>>I think I remember an announcement that the e-business server is the
>>product now, and includes Apache.  Some limited term support for ICSS
>>was mentioned.
>>
>>Scott Vetter wrote:
>>
>>>    Just was wondering, but is IBM still marketing ICSS or have they
>>> given up and just recomending Apache?
>>
>I thought they gave up on it??? Didn't it become Domino Go Server? I do know

Yes, you're right. ICSS became Lotus Go Webserver one day. The current
version
number is 4.6.2.6. BTW, this version makes part of WSeB.

>Version 4.6?? came with my WSeB beta. They have a version of Apache for Linux
>and other Uniux systems:
>
>              IBM HTTP Server V1.3.6.1 for AIX, Sun Solaris, Windows NT and
>Linux 
>
>                
>http://www-4.ibm.com/software/webservers/httpservers/download.html
>
>No IBM supported version for OS/2.
>Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net>     |      OS/2 Warp / Linux / Win95-311
>
>
>

Nick Saxon


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From: jstucklex@attglobal.net                           15-Dec-99 10:52:01
  To: All                                               15-Dec-99 16:48:09
Subj: Re: IE4 or 5 installation

From: Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>

Jon,

Sorry - IE4 or 5 won't run under win-os/2.  Neither will the stub they
download.  It ensures you're using a MS operating system...

Jon Schuck wrote:
> 
> Please, don't spam me for this.
> 
> I need to install 16-bit ie4 or 5 with 128-bit encryption.  the download
> from Microflacid fails for a variety of reasons, all stemming from the
> insistance I must be installing from a CDRom.  Can I do this?

-- 

=======================================================
To reply, delete the "x" from my email address

Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
JDS Computer Training Corp.
Sun Certified Java Programmer
VisualAge/Java Certified Advanced Technical Expert
VisualAge/C++ Certified Developer

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From: sfactual@erols.com                                16-Dec-99 16:35:07
  To: jstuckle@global.net                               16-Dec-99 19:47:15
Subj: Re: IE4 or 5 installation

To: jstuckle@global.net
From: Jon Schuck <sfactual@erols.com>

those bast*rds!

thanks.  i figured as much.

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Sorry - IE4 or 5 won't run under win-os/2.  Neither will the stub they
> download.  It ensures you're using a MS operating system...
>
> Jon Schuck wrote:
> >
> > Please, don't spam me for this.
> >
> > I need to install 16-bit ie4 or 5 with 128-bit encryption.  the download
> > from Microflacid fails for a variety of reasons, all stemming from the
> > insistance I must be installing from a CDRom.  Can I do this?
>
> --
>
> =======================================================
> To reply, delete the "x" from my email address
>
> Jerry Stuckle
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> Sun Certified Java Programmer
> VisualAge/Java Certified Advanced Technical Expert
> VisualAge/C++ Certified Developer
>
> =======================================================

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