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From: lyn@zolotek.REMOVE.com                            04-Dec-99 16:55:10
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: emx suite capabilities

From: lyn@zolotek.REMOVE.com (Lyn St George)

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:21:59, csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly) wrote:

[snip]

Hmm. Is EMX always enough to build things written for Linux? I've been
trying to build a simple C cgi using EMX 0.9d, but get errors like:

\emx\include\arpa/inet.h:47: warning: `struct in_addr' declared inside
parameter list
\emx\include\arpa/inet.h:47: warning: its scope is only this 
definition or declaration,
\emx\include\arpa/inet.h:47: warning: which is probably not what you 
want.
\emx\include\arpa/inet.h:47: warning: parameter has incomplete type
\emx\include\arpa/inet.h:49: warning: parameter has incomplete type
\emx\include\arpa/inet.h:51: warning: parameter has incomplete type
In file included from tlink.c:40:
\emx\include\netinet/in.h:204: conflicting types for `inet_lnaof'
\emx\include\arpa/inet.h:47: previous declaration of `inet_lnaof'

Are these libs no good for building Linux stuff? Or are there better 
ones available somewhere? Or is it just a case of "tough luck" and it 
can't be done?

> I don't know about building XFree (Holger does a good job on that :-) but 
> I've built Apache 1.3.x (and 2.0, almost :-), wget, pavuk, FTE and Mozilla 
> with EMX (sometimes the configure scripts don't know about OS/2, I lied 
> i386-Linux-GNU ).

> Csaba
 
> Csaba Raduly,    Software Developer (OS/2),    Sophos Anti-Virus
> mailto:csaba.raduly@sophos.com            http://www.sophos.com/
> US Support +1 888 SOPHOS 9            UK Support +44 1235 559933
> Life is complex, with real and imaginary parts.

Cheers
Lyn 

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From: junk@bbs.darktech.org                             05-Dec-99 03:08:18
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 05:18:05
Subj: Re: Odin Application Database

From: "sl" <junk@bbs.darktech.org>

	Please add a link to the Application Database off
http://www.netlabs.org/odin..

Gili


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From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu                     05-Dec-99 21:13:02
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Odin Application Database

From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu

In article <fyoofqnexgrpubet.fm9dad0.pminews@nntp.generation.net>,
  "sl" <junk@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:

> 	Please add a link to the Application Database off
> http://www.netlabs.org/odin..

But there already is one... Lower-left table, the word "Applications".

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From: rgehrig@primenet.com                              06-Dec-99 00:32:25
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:24
Subj: Re: emx suite capabilities

From: "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com>

On 04 Dec 1999 16:55:21 GMT, Lyn St George wrote:

>On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:21:59, csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly) wrote:
>
>[snip]

One limitation of the EMX stuff is that it will not run on a SMP machine.


Robert Gehrig
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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           06-Dec-99 07:53:17
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:24
Subj: Re: emx suite capabilities

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:32:50, "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com> 
wrote:

> On 04 Dec 1999 16:55:21 GMT, Lyn St George wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:21:59, csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly) wrote:
> >
> >[snip]
> 
> One limitation of the EMX stuff is that it will not run on a SMP machine.
> 
> 

????????

I am running the SETI@HOME client on a WSeB SMP
machine (2 instances) and it works fine.

What are the limitations that you speak of?

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From: veit@simi.gmd.de                                  06-Dec-99 09:31:23
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: emx suite capabilities

From: veit@simi.gmd.de (Holger Veit)

On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:32:50 -0500 (EST),
	Robert Gehrig <rgehrig@primenet.com> wrote:
>On 04 Dec 1999 16:55:21 GMT, Lyn St George wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:21:59, csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly) wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>
>One limitation of the EMX stuff is that it will not run on a SMP machine.

Nonsense.

Holger

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From: rgehrig@primenet.com                              06-Dec-99 08:48:05
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:05
Subj: Re: emx suite capabilities

From: "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com>

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:32:50, "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com> 
wrote:

<snip>
????????

I am running the SETI@HOME client on a WSeB SMP
machine (2 instances) and it works fine.

What are the limitations that you speak of?

--

Lorne Sunley

Lorne

I tried it on a Warp Server Advanced SMP machine.

I had Apache 1.3.9 and emx and it kept failing with a error 24 (too many
files open). EMXOPT was set to 256
I also tried Mysql 3.22.19b with emx. EMXOPT was set to 1024


What is your setup.

I may have gotten something wrong.

Thanks

Robert Gehrig
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From: opensys5000@hotmail.com                           06-Dec-99 14:36:14
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Porting from OS/2 to Win95 / NT??

From: Chris <opensys5000@hotmail.com>

There has to be a decent program out there that will port from OS/2 to
Win 95 / NT, etc.??  Or is there someone who would like to do a port??
The program I want to port is a very interesting security system
software package.  Thanks all.  (Send me e-mail responses !!  )



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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                06-Dec-99 21:08:10
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Porting from OS/2 to Win95 / NT??

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <384C3A6D.3B67E58E@hotmail.com>, on 12/06/99 
   at 02:36 PM, Chris <opensys5000@hotmail.com> said:

>There has to be a decent program out there that will port from OS/2 to
>Win 95 / NT, etc.??  Or is there someone who would like to do a port??
>The program I want to port is a very interesting security system software
>package.  Thanks all.  (Send me e-mail responses !!  )

Before anyone could begin to answer such a question they would have to
know what tools were used to develop the initial application, and if you
had source code.

Roland

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From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com                               07-Dec-99 10:14:12
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: Porting from OS/2 to Win95 / NT??

From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com

In article <384C3A6D.3B67E58E@hotmail.com>,
  Chris <opensys5000@hotmail.com> wrote:
> There has to be a decent program out there that will port from OS/2 to
> Win 95 / NT, etc.??

I know of tools to help porting Windows to OS/2, but not of
anything in the other direction. Doesn't mean to say there
aren't such tools.

> Or is there someone who would like to do a port??

I expect there are, if you're willing to pay. Maybe even if you aren't.

> The program I want to port is a very interesting security system
> software package.  Thanks all.  (Send me e-mail responses !!  )

Do you have any more details. Is the app written in C, C++?
Does it use MFC? And so on.

Read usenet !!

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From: myself@pbn.dp.ua                                  07-Dec-99 20:58:07
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: !16 <-> 32

From: Ivan Klimenko <myself@pbn.dp.ua>

Hi !

	I need develop some 16-bit app (.DLL). This app should work
over standart IBM TCPIP (current version is 32-bit). Can somebody help
me ? May be some link or code-sample ?
I try use Watcom C 10.6 and MSC 6.0 (Anybody can teach me write DLL 
using MSC 6.0 (16-bit) ?)

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From: tgcorp@attglobal.net                              08-Dec-99 09:32:29
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: ICAT debugger problem, where's kdpos2/kdpnt?

From: Kelly Anderson <tgcorp@attglobal.net>

I've been trying to get ICAT to work in a three-tiered mode to no avail
yet.
My connection between the Bridge and the Target debug system has been
verified with a terminal emulator and KDB.  The Bridge system is running
WSEB, the Host and Target are both running Warp 4.

icatos2.zip available from the ICAT site doesn't contain kdpos2.exe or
kdpnt.exe.

I attempted to use kdpos2.exe from the Warp 4 developer's kit.
This version is from Sept 15,1997 and has command line syntax entirely
different from the doc at
http://service.software.ibm.com/icat/icatsetup3.html . I'm not sure
which machine is the "monitor" since this terminology doesn't seem to be
used in any of the ICAT docs.

usage: kdpdemon monitor [-c COMx[:rate]] [-m port] [-s port] [-p
tcp|udp] [-d]
 * monitor is the name or IP address of the monitor system
 * COMx is the name of the COM port to which the debugee
   system is connected (e.g., COM1). rate is optional and
   specifies the baud rate to use when communicating with
   the debugee system (9600 is the default).
 * [-m port] is the TCP/IP port on which communication with the
   monitor should occur.  Defaults to 7777.
 * [-s port] is the port on which kdpdemon listens for connections
   from the debugger.  If one is not specified, the system
   assigns one.
 * tcp|udp is the protocol to be used.  TCP is the default.
 * -d causes debug trace output to be written to stdout during
   execution.


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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 08-Dec-99 10:11:16
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: ICAT debugger problem, where's kdpos2/kdpnt?

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <384E883A.A1ADD09E@attglobal.net>, on 12/08/99 
   at 09:32 AM, Kelly Anderson <tgcorp@attglobal.net> said:

>I've been trying to get ICAT to work in a three-tiered mode to no avail
>yet.
>My connection between the Bridge and the Target debug system has been
>verified with a terminal emulator and KDB.  The Bridge system is running
>WSEB, the Host and Target are both running Warp 4.

I suggest you go to www.os2ss.com and sign up for the OS/2 DD Developer's
list (pdd@os2ss.com).  The ICAT developers are often there along with
folks already using your configuration.

HTH,

Steven


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From: davee@US.IBM.COM                                  08-Dec-99 15:25:28
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: ICAT debugger problem, where's kdpos2/kdpnt?

From: Dave Evans <davee@US.IBM.COM>

Hi Kelly:

Hmm... didn't know anyone wanted to use the three-tier connection now that
we support direct WAN from host to target using ethernet or token ring.  You
can just hook up ICAT to the target kernel debugger (KDB) and do
system-level, source-level debugging using a UDP (KDP) protocol.

Would that be preferred?  I hope so because I'd have to dig thru and play w/
kdpos2.exe, etc.  Current users of this technology have been exuberant (to
date :-).

Let me know,

Dave Evans

Kelly Anderson wrote:

> I've been trying to get ICAT to work in a three-tiered mode to no avail
> yet.
> My connection between the Bridge and the Target debug system has been
> verified with a terminal emulator and KDB.  The Bridge system is running
> WSEB, the Host and Target are both running Warp 4.
>

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        09-Dec-99 16:44:23
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Choice of compilers

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

I have a few questions regarding available C/C++ compilers and the OS/2
toolkit...

First off, I realize this is probably a matter of taste, but which would
people recommend:  Watcom C/C++, or IBM VisualAge C++ (either v3 or v4)?
Do they both include visual developers, or just the IBM one?  Simplicity
and ease of use are more important to me than OS/2/Win cross-development,
and support for standards is a Good Thing.  (I'm also new to GUI
programming in general, outside Java). 

I was looking at Indelible Blue and Mensys for the VAC++ prices, and I'm
confused.  IB lists VAC++ Pro for $794.00 (!).  VAC++ upgrade is $228.00
(better), but VAC++ upgrade from C Set++ is $840.00!!

Am I to understand that an upgrade version is more expensive than the base
version?  And why the huge difference between the two upgrade versions
anyway?  Why would there be two different UG versions?  Is one for a
different market, or another OS/platform?  What am I missing?

I currently have CSet++, BTW, hence my interest in the upgrade versions.
Which brings me to my last question...

The version of the OS/2 developer's toolkit that I have is rather old.
Where can I get a new one?  The IBM Developer's Connection looks like the
right place, but that costs about $600, and includes all kinds of stuff I
don't need.  (Somebody suggested I look at PartnerWorld, but only
companies seem to qualify for free toolkits and stuff.)  So what's the
best way to get the latest toolkit (and just the toolkit) legally, and
inexpensively?

Thanks ...
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From: hei@hatespam.norman.no                            10-Dec-99 08:06:13
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:21
Subj: Re: Choice of compilers

From: hei@hatespam.norman.no (Harald Eilertsen)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:44:46, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) 
wrote:

> First off, I realize this is probably a matter of taste, but which would
> people recommend:  Watcom C/C++, or IBM VisualAge C++ (either v3 or v4)?
> Do they both include visual developers, or just the IBM one?  

For normal application programming I would recommend VAC++. I haven't 
tried v4, but v3 with the latest csd is pretty good. If you have 
special needs like mixed 16/32bit code or device driver programming, 
Watcom may be the only choice. Version 11 seems to generate some bad 
code every now and then, so at work we stick with 10.6.

Only VAC++ provides visual develpment. Pretty fancy too! It also 
provides the IBM OpenClass library, which is a very thorough class 
library wrapper for PM. Finally it has a more updated toolkit than 
Watcom, but still not at DevCon level.

> The version of the OS/2 developer's toolkit that I have is rather old.
> Where can I get a new one?  The IBM Developer's Connection looks like the
> right place, but that costs about $600, and includes all kinds of stuff I
> don't need.

If new to PM and OS/2 programming in general, you may do just fine 
with the Toolkit from VAC++. If you feel you need something more, 
evaluate which DevCon subscription you need.

Take Care!
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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                10-Dec-99 07:46:02
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Choice of compilers

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <Dq9QeiO5hGmk-pn2-GNdddRoYJ9s7@Barbarella>, on 12/10/99 
   at 08:06 AM, hei@hatespam.norman.no (Harald Eilertsen) said:

>For normal application programming I would recommend VAC++. I haven't 
>tried v4, but v3 with the latest csd is pretty good. If you have  special
>needs like mixed 16/32bit code or device driver programming,  Watcom may
>be the only choice. Version 11 seems to generate some bad  code every now
>and then, so at work we stick with 10.6.

Really?  I never found this with V11 and did a lot with it.  Bad code must
be in the area of templates which I was deliberately avoiding until the
spec was finalized.

Here is a stupid question.  Does the gui builder for vac generate code or
a proprietary dat file format?  If code, have you tried running it through
the Watcom compiler?

Roland

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From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com                               10-Dec-99 13:42:28
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Choice of compilers

From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com

In article <385068b0$2$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,
  yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
> In <20R34.123395$V4.1601119@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>, on 12/09/99
>    at 04:44 PM, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) said:
>
> >I have a few questions regarding available C/C++ compilers and the
OS/2
> >toolkit...

> >First off, I realize this is probably a matter of taste, but which
would
> >people recommend:  Watcom C/C++, or IBM VisualAge C++ (either v3 or
v4)?
> >Do they both include visual developers, or just the IBM one?
Simplicity
> >and ease of use are more important to me than OS/2/Win
cross-development,
> >and support for standards is a Good Thing.  (I'm also new to GUI
> >programming in general, outside Java).

If it's standards you want then you have no choice other than VAC++ 4.0
Other than the orderless compilation "feature" it claims to be ISO
compliant,
though there is some leeway in the standards.

> >I was looking at Indelible Blue and Mensys for the VAC++ prices, and
I'm
> >confused.  IB lists VAC++ Pro for $794.00 (!).  VAC++ upgrade is
$228.00
> >(better), but VAC++ upgrade from C Set++ is $840.00!!

> IB is a company with damned few ethics and even less competance.  One
of
> the first things I do when brought into a company as a contractor is
get
> them banned from the clients vendor list.  Any vendor carrying
software
> from either Stardock or CDS has to be treated just like you were
having
> sex with an AIDS patient...because you are.

I've only dealt with IB twice, both many years ago, and had no trouble.
Mensys were also OK, though ordering VAC++ took a long time.

> >Am I to understand that an upgrade version is more expensive than the
> >base version?  And why the huge difference between the two upgrade
> >versions anyway?  Why would there be two different UG versions?  Is
one
> >for a different market, or another OS/platform?  What am I missing?

> >I currently have CSet++, BTW, hence my interest in the upgrade
versions.
> >Which brings me to my last question...

> >The version of the OS/2 developer's toolkit that I have is rather
old.
> >Where can I get a new one?  The IBM Developer's Connection looks like
the
> >right place, but that costs about $600, and includes all kinds of
stuff I
> >don't need.  (Somebody suggested I look at PartnerWorld, but only
> >companies seem to qualify for free toolkits and stuff.)  So what's
the
> >best way to get the latest toolkit (and just the toolkit) legally,
and
> >inexpensively?

> Umm...I've been a devcon member for years so can't quip on the price.
You
> are supposed to be able to download the toolkit for free from one of
the
> IBM pages.

Well, if you buy VAC++ 4.0, you will get a copy of the OS/2 Toolkit. You
can download CSDs for it for free from DevCon guest access. I have C
Set++,
but I bought VAC++ at the educational price (my wife being a teacher
qualifies). This was half the cost of the upgrade price.

Personally, I don't think DevCon is any longer worth the money,
unless you are a big all-blue developer (AIX, OS/390, OS/400, NT).
What you get for OS/2 are only a few scraps.

> Here is some food for thought.

> If you become a Devcon member, when they ship a full CD distribution,
if
> there is a new version of VAJ, VAC, VACOBOL, VABasic (not!) you tend
to
> get one of the last beta versions, or an actual personal user version
with
> the kit.  Many times it is for an nn-day evaluation period, but
sometimes
> not.  The bottom line is that if one of the products is going to be a
> puddle of doo-doo (like the current rev of VAC++ I'm told is), you
didn't
> spend any more to find out.

VAC++ isn't so bad. For everything I find that is great, there's another
that is crap, overall it's OK. If only I could have

- VC++ build configuration
- Watcom code optimization
- VAC++ OpenClass and C++ standards
- EPM as editor

A+
Paul


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From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net                 10-Dec-99 18:42:12
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Choice of compilers

From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net (Ken Walter)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:46:04, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net 
wrote:

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>Here is a stupid question.  Does the gui builder for vac generate code or
>a proprietary dat file format?  If code, have you tried running it through
>the Watcom compiler?
>
The code uses the VAC++ OCL library.
C++ libraries are not interchangable across compilers since name 
mangling is different.

Ken Walter

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                09-Dec-99 21:35:17
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: Choice of compilers

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <20R34.123395$V4.1601119@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>, on 12/09/99 
   at 04:44 PM, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) said:

>I have a few questions regarding available C/C++ compilers and the OS/2
>toolkit...

>First off, I realize this is probably a matter of taste, but which would
>people recommend:  Watcom C/C++, or IBM VisualAge C++ (either v3 or v4)?
>Do they both include visual developers, or just the IBM one?  Simplicity
>and ease of use are more important to me than OS/2/Win cross-development,
>and support for standards is a Good Thing.  (I'm also new to GUI
>programming in general, outside Java). 

Watcom was my favorite compiler for many years.  I still have version 11,
but not installed right now.  Powersoft ceased the compiler line, so I'm
told.  Never used the "gui" tools under OS/2.  I was doing a lot of Zinc
work then across all platforms supported, so I just used it as a command
line compiler with MAKE files.

>I was looking at Indelible Blue and Mensys for the VAC++ prices, and I'm
>confused.  IB lists VAC++ Pro for $794.00 (!).  VAC++ upgrade is $228.00
>(better), but VAC++ upgrade from C Set++ is $840.00!!

IB is a company with damned few ethics and even less competance.  One of
the first things I do when brought into a company as a contractor is get
them banned from the clients vendor list.  Any vendor carrying software
from either Stardock or CDS has to be treated just like you were having
sex with an AIDS patient...because you are.

>Am I to understand that an upgrade version is more expensive than the
>base version?  And why the huge difference between the two upgrade
>versions anyway?  Why would there be two different UG versions?  Is one
>for a different market, or another OS/platform?  What am I missing?

>I currently have CSet++, BTW, hence my interest in the upgrade versions.
>Which brings me to my last question...

>The version of the OS/2 developer's toolkit that I have is rather old.
>Where can I get a new one?  The IBM Developer's Connection looks like the
>right place, but that costs about $600, and includes all kinds of stuff I
>don't need.  (Somebody suggested I look at PartnerWorld, but only
>companies seem to qualify for free toolkits and stuff.)  So what's the
>best way to get the latest toolkit (and just the toolkit) legally, and
>inexpensively?

Umm...I've been a devcon member for years so can't quip on the price.  You
are supposed to be able to download the toolkit for free from one of the
IBM pages.

Here is some food for thought.

If you become a Devcon member, when they ship a full CD distribution, if
there is a new version of VAJ, VAC, VACOBOL, VABasic (not!) you tend to
get one of the last beta versions, or an actual personal user version with
the kit.  Many times it is for an nn-day evaluation period, but sometimes
not.  The bottom line is that if one of the products is going to be a
puddle of doo-doo (like the current rev of VAC++ I'm told is), you didn't
spend any more to find out.

Tis too bad Watcom ceased before they got all the C++ standard with
templates, etc. into the compiler....Perhaps that is why they
ceased...they learned what others did.  The standard template spec can't
be implemented.

Roland

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