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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               03-Dec-99 20:17:18
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:11
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:31:57 -0700, Steven C. Britton wrote:

=>It isn't the same quantity of merchandise.  One has Windows, the other
=>doesn't.  Microsoft is offering a large discount on Windows when it is
=>bundled with a computer.  You still pay more for a computer with Windows
=>than a computer with no OS at all.

False. I tried to get a rebate on blank computer, sans OS, but couldn't. The
reseller was willing to rebate for a refused software bundle, but NOT for a
refused OS. Guess which OS!

Clearly, someone is setting things up so that I, the consumer, can'y buy a
machine without that damn OS. It's not the reseller -- he's just conforming
to pressures bought to bear on him by the >>very large<< bully who co-ercing
him. That bully's actions are immoral. Therefore, they ought to be illegal.
This has nothing whatver to do with property roights, BTW, and everything to
do with the consumer's right to be offered a fair choice.

All machines should be sold at cost of hardware + cost of selected OS + cost
of selected software. If the reseller offers bundles, fine; but the machine
without the bundle had better be cheaper. If MS wants to deal with resellers
to offer their OS at a deep discount, that's fair enough. But a blank machine
should still be cheaper.

BTW, I wonder why the $xyz value of the budnles software always comes out to
hundreds of dollars. Some deceptive pricing going on here, no question!




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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               03-Dec-99 20:03:20
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Right vs left 

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:49:31 -0700, Steven C. Britton wrote:

=>Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
=>>
=>> =>Totalitarian is leftist.  Rightist is the opposite of totalitarian.
=>>
=>> Now THERE's a brilliantly stupid remark!
=>
=>Totalitarian is collectivist.  Collectivist is leftist.  Ergo, totalitarian
=>is leftist.
=>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=>What have YOU done to bust a union today?
=>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=>
=>Work better: Work union-free.
=>
=>Steven C. Britton
=>Calgary
=>
=>www.cadvision.com/sbritton
=>
=>
=>

Valid but unsound -- depends on a false premise.

Totalitarian is not necessarily collectivist. Read Orwell.

BTW, fascism, wh/ is extreme right, is also collectivist -- very!

Seems to me you're confusing libertariansim with rightist p.o.v.




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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          04-Dec-99 00:51:24
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Re: MASM 6.11 under OS/2 (to create DOS exe?)

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <3847fea1$1$ofgrcuna$mr2ice@news.redshift.com>
	   bstephan@redshift.com  writes:

> On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:06:56, ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk
> (Andrew  Stephenson) wrote:
>
> >Actually, it is. Doesn't like running in OS/2....
>
> [...]

Please be more careful with your attributions.  I did _not_ write
the above-quoted passage.  Thanks.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          04-Dec-99 01:14:27
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Re: Java 1.2 for OS/2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:38:50, Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk> 
wrote:

> Oops, sorry. When I said "...the 2nd quarter of the 3rd millennium", I 
> meant the
> 2nd quarter of the first year of the 3rd millennium. Sorry for any 
> confusion.

If you're referring to the year 2000, it's not the first year of any 
millenium, it's the last year of the Second Millenium. But there's 
even more confusion about that.

But I'm praying, so to speak, for The Millenial Rapture to come a year
early, all the same. Move these bozos on up, and outta the way of the 
rest of us.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               03-Dec-99 20:42:03
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Comsumer choice 

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On 3 Dec 1999 18:38:58 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

=>As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Wolf Kirchmeir write:
=>> On 3 Dec 1999 08:31:19 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:
=>
=>> =>Okay, your free choice was not usurped, you chose to purchase a product. 
 You
=>> =>also chose to purchase a product you say you didn't want.  Do you often
=>> =>purchase products you don't really want?
=>> 
=>> It became IMPOSSIBLE to buy any off the shelf machine without Win95 by
July
=>> of 1997.
=>
=>How?  Through was law was this done?
=>
=>How is it that you could not buy a computer without Win95?  What was to
=>prevent somebody from selling one?  Please, feel free to provide any
=>possible mechanism.

I don't have to supply a mechanism, I merely have to report what was not
possible for me to do. I could not get any of the computer stores who
advertised computers for sale to give me a rebate for wiping Windows and
selling me a blank machine. So I gave up and built my own.

=>> It's clear that MS was limiting my choices as a consumer
=>
=>Guess what?  As "a consumer" Microsoft does not owe you the ability to buy
=>non-Microsoft stuff.

So by your reasoning, it has the right to rig the market to limit my access
to non-MS stuff. By your reasoning, I would have the right to prevent you
from buying something you wanted, merely because I wanted to sell you my
stuff instead. How would I enforce this right?

And don't tell me I don;'t have thid right. You just said MS did, so I do
too.

=>Other companies are free to compete.  Microsoft cannot stop them from doing
so.

If MS sold to me directly, your argument would be relevant. However MS does
not sell to me directly. Instead, they tie up OEMs and resellers in
agreements NOT to supply those other companies' products, thereby limiting my
access to them, or adding to my costs to access them (eg, travel to another
city, time/effort to search for and contact other sellers, etc). That's
simply wrong.

MS clearly did not want to compete on a level playing field, that is on the
quality of its product, and used every method it could to control consumer
choice. Anyone who thinks such tactics are fair has forgotten that the
purpose of the market is not to make businesses rich but to supply the needsd
and desires of the consumers.

A related issue: the efforts by the producers of genetically modfied
foodstuffs to avoid having to tell me, the consumer, that I am buying their
stuff. The issue once again is consumer choice. Anything done that in any way
limits or constrains it is evil. (Whether these foodstuffs are safe or not is
irrelevant -- I have the right to decide what I buy, and for that I need
information. To withhold that information is evil.)




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From: jdparker@erols.com                                03-Dec-99 21:24:02
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Re: Bootmanager

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

heloman@my-deja.com wrote:

> I am contemplating adding another operating system to my
> computer. I will have two physical hard drives. From the posts I
> have read it appears that bootmanager is the way to go vice dual
> boot. Under bootmanager if I make one (physical) drive 'C'   and
> install the 'other' operating system on it - create a logical
> partition or two then go to the other (physical) drive on which
> I have my currently running operating system - will this drive
> still be 'C' or will it become some other designation? Will the
> other partitions (logical) on the second physical drive
> automatically be renamed (should it no longer be referred to as
> 'C') to their correct drive letters? Sorry for all the questions
> but have never used it and really hadn't contemplated on
> installing another system. Any help/responses will be cheerfully
> accepted.........
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

First dual boot is different from boot manager.

With dual boot you have OS/2 and DOS installed in the same partition (it
must be C: and probably must be a primary partition). You can configure
the partition to either boot as DOS or OS/2.

With boot manager you have operating systems installed in different
partitions. When you boot up, boot manager presents you with a menu and
you select which partition gets booted up.

The two are not incompatable. You could have a dual boot OS/2-DOS in one
partition and Win98 in another. Boot manager would control which
partition got booted. Dual boot would control which of OS/2 or DOS came
up when you selected the dual boot partition.

The second issue is drive letters. Drive letters are assigned when a
partition is booted up. A and B are reserved for removable drives
(floppies, zip disks etc.) so C is the first hard drive letter. First
the system will look for a primary partition on the first hard drive. If
it finds one there (it is visible and contains a file system supported
by that system) it gets assigned C:. Next it looks for a primary
partition on the second hard drive. If it finds one it gets assigned the
next drive letter which would be D: if a C: were found on the first hard
drive. It continues looking for primary partitions in order on all hard
drives. Then it goes back to the first hard drive and starts assigning
drive letters to logical partitions it can see there. And then on to the
logical partitions on the next hard drive. Etc, etc.

You could create something like what you have described by doing
something like creating a primary partition on the first drive and make
it FAT32 with Win98 installed  and then creating some additional logical
partitions on that drive. Then have OS/2 in the primary partition of the
second drive. As long as OS/2 doesn't have Henk Kelder's FAT32 driver
installed, the primary partition on the first hard drive will be
invisible to OS/2 so OS/2 will not assign a drive letter to it but will
assign C: to its partition. If the OS/2 partition is FAT, then it will
be visible to Win98 but will be assigned D: by Win98. If the OS/2
partition is HPFS, then it will be invisible to Win98 and won't be
assigned a drive letter by Win98. Win98 will assign D: to the first
logical partition it can see.

Many recommend putting OS/2 in an HPFS partition so that it is not
visible to Windows. Windows has a nasty habit of destroying OS/2 file
extended attibutes. So this sounds like a good idea to me. My OS/2 is in
a FAT partition and it took me several weeks to figure out how to
prevent Windows from clobbering extended attibutes. My OS/2 is not in as
good a shape as I want as a result of that. One of these days when I get
the proverbial roundtuit I intend to reinstall OS/2 in HPFS.

Jim

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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           04-Dec-99 02:17:00
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Re: Java 1.2 for OS/2

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:32:16, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
wrote:

> > Not when someone states specifically the 2nd quarter "of the 3rd 
> > millennium". A quarter of a millennium is 250 years. Usually, when 
> > referring to a quarter, it is used in conjunction with a period of  time
> > - as in "1rst quarter of '99", or "2nd quarter next year". If no  time
> > frame is offered, one year is usually understood. The time frame  was
> > given above, and it is a millennium.
>  
> Sorry, but quarter when speaking of time measurement has a specific
> meaning. If the person meant the second fourth he or she should have so
> stated.

Pfooey.

By coincidence, I just started reading _The Story of Decipherment_ 
(Maurice Pope, Thames & Hudson Ltd., London, 1999, ISBN 
0-500-28105-X).  In the first chapter the author discusses what was 
known about the Egyptian hieroglyphics during the Renaissance.  In 
discussing the then known inscriptions, he discusses the great temple 
of the god Serapis in Alexandria, the "Serapeum".  On page 15 he says:

	The highest point in the life of the Serapeum came in
	A.D. 131/2 with the visit of the Roman emperor Hadrian
	and his wife, but it survived for another quarter of a
	millennium.

Do you think that the Serapeum was torn down 3 months after the 
emperor's visit, or do you think it lasted another 250 years (more or 
less)?
Explain your reasoning.  (Hint: the Serapeum was in fact torn down by 
the Christians in A.D. 391, after which time nobody wrote in 
hieroglyphics anymore and knowledge of them was lost.)

--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: nolambourn@my-deja.com                            04-Dec-99 04:31:13
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: nolambourn@my-deja.com

In article <3847c174.0@nntp2.borg.com>,
  "Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com> wrote:
> Gads, this Germer fellow's a real bore.  How can someone claims to be
> a "computer professional" and yet be stuck with buying Windows each
> and every time he assembles a computer?  Inquiring minds want to know!
> I, too, got my last two machines with no OS installed, but I guess I'm
> even smarter than Germer himself...
>
> - Joe

Well "Joe," if you're so-o-o smart and so-o-o computer-literate, WHAT
THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING CROSS-POSTING THIS BULLSHIT TO BC.POLITICS???
[shouting intentional]


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: fegehrke@worldnet.att.net                         03-Dec-99 23:20:28
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Forrest Gehrke <fegehrke@worldnet.att.net>

Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> > Which is a direct violation of U. S. Fair Trade Laws
> 
> Precisely the point.
> 
> Why on earth is such a straightforward transaction illegal?  What kind of
> crazy law is that?
> 
Lars,
I don't happen to know, but are you telling us that Canada
does not have an antitrust law?  Most of the G7 nations
do, and I find it hard to believe Canada does not.

Please look into it and report back what that law has
to say about predatory pricing.
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From: josco@ibm.net                                     03-Dec-99 21:26:16
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>

Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Andrew Stephenson write:
> >          bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com "Bob Germer" writes:
> 
> > > If you did, you would be charged with a crime. A restaurant
> > > must serve everyone regardless of race, creed, color, national
> > > origin, etc. The civil rights laws apply to you as to everyone
> > > else.
> >
> > Obviously you North Americans have managed to build a veritable
> > paradise-on-earth.  Here in the backward old UK, AFAIK a trader
> > can refuse to sell to a person, at whim.
> 
> It's called property rights.
> 
> Your "paradise-on-earth" is only from the point of view of the person
> getting the product.  The person with the product isn't in paradise if his
> property can be taken when he doesn't want it to be.

Hey, I can make that same nutty argument about my property rights. I
think it can be fun.  Let me try.....

I just bought a baseball bat.  I have the right to swing my baseball bat
anywhere I want so if your pumpkin head is in its way tough because it's
my freedom and right to swing my property any time I want.  OH, you live
in Canada....hmmm.. I'll drive.

I have the right to own and drive my car to Canada and to own and carry
my gun so if I drive my car into Canada and it's searched then I'll tell
the border police to stuff it!  

I have rights and there is no way in hell they can take my car and gun
at the border.  I have a right to own that gun and what the hell does
taking my car have to do with a gun any how? Huh Lars?  What the
hell!?!  I want my gun in Canada and I have ever right to drive to
Canada and carry my personal property, my gun.  Yes sir!  

I know so much about property rights - just like you.

:^)

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 01:46:12
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <829169$gbi$10@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/03/99 at 06:12 PM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> Guess what?  If Intel has agreed to a deal, or all Intel vendors on
> earth have agreed to a deal, wherein Windows must be sold in tandem,
> that isn't the sign of a monopoly.  That is the sign of a set of
> agreements amoungst private individuals.

> Or do you believe Microsoft cannot sign contracts?

You are so full of shit you have mushrooms growing out of your ears.
MicroSoft has been proven to have coerced those companies to sign those
deals. That is not a valid contract, it is extortion.


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 01:48:00
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <8290kr$gbi$9@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/03/99 at 06:03 PM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> > 
> > You have absolutely no say in what our laws are or ought to be.  You are a
> > Canadian, a foreigner.

> So you say that you have absolutely no right to speak out against, say,
> China's one-child policy?  Or totalitarian regimes where thousands of
> citizens are killed each year?

No, I do not have the right to tell China, Canada, or any other country or
any state in the United States other than New Jersey how to run their
country or state.

> >                      I do not presume to tell you what your laws should
> > provide and you have no right to do so to the United States.

> An unjust law is an unjust law, whether it is in your country or not.

Only in your eyes if the law exists in a democracy or a representative
democracy. Our elected representatives and President or Governor in the
case of a state pass laws the majority wants as evidenced by their votes
in the elections. The courts make sure the majority does not infringe on
the constitutional rights of the minority. No damn, frozen brain Canuck
has the right to tell anyone here what to do.

> > Our citizens decided that actions such as MicroSoft has been proven to
> > engage in violate laws we found necessary for our society.

> That's when things get interesting.  For the sake of your society, a
> person's property is not deemed to be of their own control.  How does
> that jive with the right to own property?  Or the American slogan of
> being for "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"?

One does not own any property. One owns a bundle of rights to use, sell,
lease, improve, subdivide, quietly enjot, etc. a property. Those rights
are subject to escheat, eminent domain, taxation, and police power.

> >                                                            If the majority
> > of our citizens speaking via their respective Senators and Congressmen and
> > our President decide what MS is doing is illegal, it is illegal

> And when the citizens had spoken through their Senators and Congressman
> in the past, was it always right?  

If not, the courts struck down the law or those portions of same which
violated the rights of minorities. As times and conditions change we
change laws accordingly if necessary.


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 01:55:07
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <828upp$gbi$6@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/03/99 at 05:31 PM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> I don't have the right to take away the right of a property-owner to do
> with his property as he sees fit.  If a law says otherwise, that law is
> wrong.

Try to run a whorehouse in your home or an opium den. The law will stomp
all over you in Canada as here in the US. Tell me that law is wrong.

If you really think so, then you are in my killfile and on my website as a
person to be avoided at all costs.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 02:00:11
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <jbysxvebayvaxarg.fm6dtm3.pminews@news.onlink.net>, on 12/03/99 at
12:27 PM,
   "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> said:

> On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:19:00 -0700, Steven C. Britton wrote:

> =>Totalitarian is leftist.  Rightist is the opposite of totalitarian.

> Now THERE's a brilliantly stupid remark!

Absolutely. Well, almost absolutely. The Nazi's in Germany did not
expropriate the businesses, property, etc. of "Aryans" (for lack of a
better term), only that of Jews, Gypsies, the handicapped, and
non-Germans. Ditto for the Facists in Spain and Italy. But most
totalitarian dictatorships do.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 02:03:06
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384802b8_1@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/03/99 at 10:49 AM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:


> Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
> >
> > =>Totalitarian is leftist.  Rightist is the opposite of totalitarian.
> >
> > Now THERE's a brilliantly stupid remark!

> Totalitarian is collectivist.  Collectivist is leftist.  Ergo,
> totalitarian is leftist.

Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state. So was Facist Italy. So was Spain.
So was Argentina under Peron. So was Japan until 1945.

Totalitarianism is not the same as collectivist. Your logic would give you
an F in fourth grade.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 02:05:02
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <3847fe97_2@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/03/99 at 10:31 AM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

> It isn't the same quantity of merchandise.  One has Windows, the other
> doesn't.  Microsoft is offering a large discount on Windows when it is
> bundled with a computer.  You still pay more for a computer with Windows
> than a computer with no OS at all.

From Dell, Gateway, Compaq, and even IBM for Aptivas, ThinkPads, and
certain low end workstation models, you cannot buy without Windows. I was
in CompUSA today and looked at every computer they had for sale. Other
than iMACs, I couldn't buy a machine without paying for Windows. The same
was true at Best Buys, Sears, and Pennys.



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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 02:09:25
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Right vs left 

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <jbysxvebayvaxarg.fm6yy54.pminews@news.onlink.net>, on 12/03/99 at
08:03 PM,
   "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> said:

> Totalitarian is not necessarily collectivist. Read Orwell.

> BTW, fascism, wh/ is extreme right, is also collectivist -- very!

No, facism did not sieze the property, business, etc. of the majority,
only the undesirables. And the state did not run the confiscated
businesses, they were given to favored capitalists.

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               04-Dec-99 03:09:04
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

>> >The real truth is that companies that DON'T have unions have better, more
>> >productive workforces, higher wages, and treat their employees better.
>> >If I owned a corporation, I would do whatever I could to keep a union OUT
>> >of my company.  If one formed, I would do whatever I could to get it
>> >decertified.
>>
>> And you would not survive. Not because of unions, but you're too stupid to
>> treat people as human beings -- which is what gave rise to unions in the
>> first place.

>Actually, I would treat people as human beings first and foremost --
>that's HOW I would prevent a union from walking in an destroying my
>company.  I'd pay them well, give them excellent working conditions, and
>ensure that they are happy with their jobs.

Got caught with your pants down again, eh. 

This is in contradiction to your attitude in the first message -- not to
mention that in another message you feel people should left homeless and
starving and begging for help -- but here you try to tell us how you care!
 In still another post you talked about the guys making the big bucks from
taking the risk, which then became the investors when you got caught in
your own words. 

The truth is that you Steven C. Britton go way beyond nincompoop. You're
one stark raving  asshole.




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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 04-Dec-99 06:39:27
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Comsumer choice 

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  I think the general consensus is that

- Microsoft engaged suppliers in an illegal monopoly for providing "PC"
Systems
- Alternatives were available, provided that you wanted an alternate hardware
  (and possibly software) base
- Alternate OSs for "PCs" were (are) not generally available through normal
  consumer channels (e.g. non-MS DOS, OS/2, linux, BeOS (later))

  The point is that the market went along with this self-imposed monopoly.
Gateway is a prime example.  They hardly let you into the store if you admit
to owning anything that is non-Gateway.  Try purchasing a 21" Gateway
monitor (which is not-GA here locally from other vendors) from the local
Gateway Country Store.  Ask them for a system which is non-Microsoft based.
It is their perogative to do such things in the current market.  They try to
meet compatibility and time-to-sale of a few minutes per sale.  If I ask for
something not in the store I can customer order it, so long as its in the
books.
The competitors for high end or other custom configurations have been driven
out of the market.  We must "do it ourselves" by knowing what to buy, from
whom, and at generally inflated prices.

  Computers differ from, say automobiles, in that their regulations are far
fewer.
UL, industry, and market forces actually create a supply of reasonably
available,
interchangeable parts to create alternate configurations of computers.  The
OEM
and VAR have chosen to embrace Microsoft's discounts, selling to the less
discriminating customer, and generally making only a couple products and
selling
them (since they usually don't understand them anyway).

  As the general consumer slowly learns that NTs-advertised-capabilities have
been systematically withheld from them for about 15 years due to market
concerns, there will be a public outcry.  However, can the geneneral consumer
accept the fact that there is a steep learning curve moving away from their
own accepted norm?  How can they readily evaluate NT, Mac, linux, Unix,
set top browsers, OS/2, BeOS, and others without a side by side comparision?
These were available (with the reduced OSs available at one time) in non-
monopolistic retailers and most workplaces (heterogeneous networks were 
common).  Such places for the consumer to make a choice have vanished.
So were the opportunities for growth by the vendor and the consumer.
We must live with that legacy for perhaps a generation or two while the
cunsumer chooses to catch up with technology or accept the recent market
forces.

  If standardization means undercutting another providor with the same
product,
only different, then the market will go that direction.  I work with computers
to support utilities.  This is a generally different market than say, this
weeks
browser standard or this years cell phone standard.  I own a computer and
software that is right for me.  I chose to go the non-MS route.  I've tried to
obtain "the parts" through retailers so they know I still exist.  Beyond that
the
market hasn't provided me with a need for computers beyond that.  I enjoy the
slow proliferation of computer channels (i.e. internet) but sqiurm when my 10
second news byte is left more empty than usual just to advertise that they
put the "rest of the story" at some web site.  Do I really need to jot that
down
and rush to thier site?  Perhaps if I cared about the last 6 of the top 10 of
something I'ld buy a web enabled cell phone and call them right now.

  Is this a fast paced world?  Yes.  My speed grows slowly since I'm only 
interested in quality and accept that there isn't a need to but this minute's
new product.  If its so important to hype a technology, perhaps you've missed
the point.

  The internet, while important like the telephone for providing
communications,
has enabled far too many distractions.  I don't believe they need be
regulated,
but I don't tolerate them either.  Would Alexander Graham Bell have approved
of telemarketing?  Would the inventors of the internet and the web approve
of 2% content to 98% fluff and advertising?

  We all live in the world and enjoy our surroundings.  Create a better world
while you're here.  There is not just one consumer market and there is more
to life than making a faster or larger profit.  Remember what is truely
important.

  Tis this the season to be with friends, to be jolly, to embrace a new year,
or shall we just buy lots of new stuff at discounted rates, celebrate a new
millenium, survive the 'bugs' left by us in the past, and continue on our
path.

  We all choose our own way, regardless of the opportunities provided.
Given that, what shall you choose to do today... and tomorrow.  The masses
may dictate some market concensus, but they do not speak for everyone.

  Sorry for have not have relating to the previous text of this post. <snip>

  Happy holidays all, my your joy outweigh all else,

  David

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 01:57:27
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <828t4m$gbi$2@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/03/99 at 05:03 PM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> The long and the short of it is that Microsoft proposed a partnership
> which was agreed to.  If the OEM had such a problem with this, they
> could easily have not made the agreement.

No, the long and short of it is that Microsoft coerced OEM's around the
world to agree to something they didn't want to but were forced to by the
power of MicroSoft to destroy them if they didn't. This is the twin of
extortion in criminal law.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 02:08:08
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <3847fe35_3@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/03/99 at 10:30 AM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

> >
> > But you claim that no government ever did anything good for the people. By
> > your logic, providing a police force is bad.

> I didn't actually make that particular claim.

You fucking well did make that claim. It is in one of the messages sent to
the President of the University of Alberta.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           04-Dec-99 02:11:19
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Java 1.2 for OS/2

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <PXSs7Qc20D1F-pn2-pUsssgqgswkq@user-2ivekc2.dialup.mindspring.com>, on
12/04/99 at 02:17 AM,
   jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela) said:

> 	The highest point in the life of the Serapeum came in
> 	A.D. 131/2 with the visit of the Roman emperor Hadrian
> 	and his wife, but it survived for another quarter of a
> 	millennium.

> Do you think that the Serapeum was torn down 3 months after the 
> emperor's visit, or do you think it lasted another 250 years (more or 
> less)?

No, I think it was torn down some indeterminate time after 132. That
reference could be any date from 133 to 1999. It doesn't say another
quarter of that millenium. A millenium in the above statement is very
ambiguous.



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From: letoured@nospam.net                               03-Dec-99 18:55:04
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

>> I agree with you - early on you had the choice. But there was a
>> significant period of time when distributors were forced to supply a MS
>> operating system when they sold a system.

>Huh?  When did Microsoft get all distributors to, against their will,
>supply MS OSes with all systemms?

This is one of the things the US DOJ actions are all about.  -- Is a light
going on for you?



_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               03-Dec-99 18:30:18
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea) said:



>The 'Finding of Fact' was based primarily on OEM submissions; nothing
>you've said changes that.
>>

Are you trying to say that everyone who testified lied -- except MS?  If
so, you're an asshole.


_____________
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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                04-Dec-99 04:56:29
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Switching drives - how?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com> said:
>I guess I don't understand your drive layout. Is this the original:

>disk 1
>  part 1 -- boot manager
>  part 2 -- C: os/2 system
>disk 2
>  part 1 -- D:

This is on my old Warp 3 machine that runs only when my Warp 4 machine is
down..

Status            Access          Type
---------------------------------
Drive 1
Startable       Primary       Boot Mgr
Bootable       C: Primary    FAT
None             D: locigal     FAT

Drive 2
None             Primary       freesp
Bootable       E: Logical     FAT

      F:+++

I've actually forgotten the exact particulars of what I did and what
happened.  But the 1st drive is only a half gig.  I want to give it to my
daughter and put in a bigger drive.  If I can't get the Warp 3 drive up, I
guess I should get everything off of it I need and put Warp 4 on it.  But I
need to do several switches of hardware and software and hoped to be able
to just move this drive over quickly for now while I put a new mama board
in my Warp 4 machine.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      04-Dec-99 12:10:10
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Right vs left 

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 02:09:50 -0500, Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:

>On <jbysxvebayvaxarg.fm6yy54.pminews@news.onlink.net>, on 12/03/99 at
>08:03 PM,
>   "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> said:
>
>> Totalitarian is not necessarily collectivist. Read Orwell.
>
>> BTW, fascism, wh/ is extreme right, is also collectivist -- very!
>
>No, facism did not sieze the property, business, etc. of the majority,
>only the undesirables. And the state did not run the confiscated
>businesses, they were given to favored capitalists.


They were given to favoured cronies, who may or may not have been
capitalists; notwithstanding that, you don't have to 'own' something
to control it and in Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy, control
was the watchword.  If they had lasted, I'm sure actual ownership as
in Soviet style state ownership would have evolved.  As it was, Coal,
Steel and other core heavy industry was directly 'controlled' under
Goering's ham handed ministry.
>
>--
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>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
>MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
>Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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>

EBB

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From: Srchris@attglobal.net                             04-Dec-99 07:05:21
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Dual boot and Trap E

From: Steve Christie <Srchris@attglobal.net>

I have two computers both networked together. Both computers have OS/2
and Win98 intstalled with bootmanager.

When I boot to Win98 the computer booted to OS/2 will trap out with a
Trap E.

Can anybody give me some inssight into why this happens and how to solve
it.

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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      04-Dec-99 12:13:08
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Fri, 03 Dec 1999 21:26:32 -0500, Joseph <josco@ibm.net> wrote:

>Lars P Ormberg wrote:
>> 
>> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Andrew Stephenson write:
>> >          bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com "Bob Germer" writes:
>> 
>> > > If you did, you would be charged with a crime. A restaurant
>> > > must serve everyone regardless of race, creed, color, national
>> > > origin, etc. The civil rights laws apply to you as to everyone
>> > > else.

Wrong. Any restaurant can refuse service to anyone, regardless of the
above designations, given they don't meet the rules or requirments;
i.e. proper dress, for instance.
>> >
>> > Obviously you North Americans have managed to build a veritable
>> > paradise-on-earth.  Here in the backward old UK, AFAIK a trader
>> > can refuse to sell to a person, at whim.
>> 
>> It's called property rights.
>> 
>> Your "paradise-on-earth" is only from the point of view of the person
>> getting the product.  The person with the product isn't in paradise if his
>> property can be taken when he doesn't want it to be.
>
>Hey, I can make that same nutty argument about my property rights. I
>think it can be fun.  Let me try.....
>
>I just bought a baseball bat.  I have the right to swing my baseball bat
>anywhere I want so if your pumpkin head is in its way tough because it's
>my freedom and right to swing my property any time I want.  OH, you live
>in Canada....hmmm.. I'll drive.
>
>I have the right to own and drive my car to Canada and to own and carry
>my gun so if I drive my car into Canada and it's searched then I'll tell
>the border police to stuff it!  
>
>I have rights and there is no way in hell they can take my car and gun
>at the border.  I have a right to own that gun and what the hell does
>taking my car have to do with a gun any how? Huh Lars?  What the
>hell!?!  I want my gun in Canada and I have ever right to drive to
>Canada and carry my personal property, my gun.  Yes sir!  
>
>I know so much about property rights - just like you.
>
>:^)

EBB

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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      04-Dec-99 12:15:06
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 01:55:15 -0500, Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:

>On <828upp$gbi$6@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/03/99 at 05:31 PM,
>   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
>
>> I don't have the right to take away the right of a property-owner to do
>> with his property as he sees fit.  If a law says otherwise, that law is
>> wrong.
>
>Try to run a whorehouse in your home or an opium den. The law will stomp
>all over you in Canada as here in the US. Tell me that law is wrong.

What about Nevada?

>
>If you really think so, then you are in my killfile and on my website as a
>person to be avoided at all costs.
>
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>MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
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From: martin.brown@pandora.be                           04-Dec-99 14:34:05
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: IBM U.S. Announcement Letter

From: Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be>

Timothy Sipples wrote:

> Martin Brown wrote:
> > Bob Germer wrote:
> > > They support everything they sell until marketing decides they can milk
> > > the sheep into buying upgrades into which they put code to break the
older
> > > applications.

> > MS aren't the only ones to do that. There are still some old but still
useful 16bit OS/2
> > applications in use out there that will not run on Warp 4 due to
"improvements" in the PM > API.
>
> Such as?

I am not at liberty to name the applications affected.  It is a fair bet
though that some of the
people making a fuss about Warp 3 disappearing have such applications in use.
A partial description of one such API related issue is at:

    http://www.sundialsystems.com/gpiproblem.html

But there are others using certain old 16 bit structures which die with
interesting faults like
SYS-3182 FP stack exception in PMMERGE when run under inappropriate versions
of OS/2.

Regards,
Martin Brown

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From: pnielsen@abo.fi                                   04-Dec-99 16:38:16
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: AssocEdit does'nt change jpg association to PMView

From: Peter Nielsen INF <pnielsen@abo.fi>

Joe Farruggio <jfarrug@erols.com> wrote:

: When i installed PMView, i left all of the list of files selected.
: Thanks for the hint on the beta newslist.

Joe,

Did you reboot after installing PMView? If not, there's your problem!

Best regards,
	Peter

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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                04-Dec-99 15:02:06
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: Java 1.2 for OS/2

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:11:38, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
wrote:

> On <PXSs7Qc20D1F-pn2-pUsssgqgswkq@user-2ivekc2.dialup.mindspring.com>, on
> 12/04/99 at 02:17 AM,
>    jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela) said:
> 
> > 	The highest point in the life of the Serapeum came in
> > 	A.D. 131/2 with the visit of the Roman emperor Hadrian
> > 	and his wife, but it survived for another quarter of a
> > 	millennium.
> 
> > Do you think that the Serapeum was torn down 3 months after the 
> > emperor's visit, or do you think it lasted another 250 years (more or 
> > less)?
> 
> No, I think it was torn down some indeterminate time after 132. That
> reference could be any date from 133 to 1999. It doesn't say another
> quarter of that millenium. A millenium in the above statement is very
> ambiguous.

No, most intelligent people will understand it to mean that it 
survived for another 250 yrs. Your mind is stuck. A millennium is a 
period of 1000 years. From the years 1750 to 2750 is a millennium. Not
the "first" millennium or the "second" millennium, but -a- millennium 
because it spans 1000 years. A quarter of a millennium is 250 years. A
century is a period of 100 years. A quarter of a century is 25 years. 
A decade is 10 years. A quarter of a decade is 2.5 years.

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        04-Dec-99 15:40:22
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: TCP/IP connected printers

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

We have a printer that can only be accessed with TCP/IP. I want our 
Warp Server Adv. to act as a printserver for it, and have found two 
ways to do that:

1. LPRMON -p print_900-950 -s 195.1.241.239 lpt3
2. LPRPORTD and connect printer object to port \PIPE\LPD0

Solution number 1 is reasonable fast, but crashes with really large 
jobs (>60MB postscript file)

Solution number 2 is very neat, but terribly slow, to the extent that 
it is unusable. This goes also for Warp 4.

Does anyone know a solution to this? (I have already upgraded with the
LPRFILES package, this was neccesary to make it work at all on the 
Warp Server)

regards,
Jan

----------------------------------
Jan Eri -- Protector AS -- Norway
Work: http://www.protector-group.no
Priv: http://janeri.com

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From: fegehrke@worldnet.att.net                         04-Dec-99 10:52:28
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: IBM GXP Hard Disk Series

From: Forrest Gehrke <fegehrke@worldnet.att.net>

Hello,
IBM has a series of Hard Disk drives which support the new
ATA-66 specification.  Is there an OS/2 driver for these
drives?
//

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From: wernerkn@telus.net                                04-Dec-99 08:31:27
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: Right vs left 

From: Werner Knoll <wernerkn@telus.net>


"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 02:09:50 -0500, Bob Germer
> <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:
> 
> >On <jbysxvebayvaxarg.fm6yy54.pminews@news.onlink.net>, on 12/03/99 at
> >08:03 PM,
> >   "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> said:
> >
> >> Totalitarian is not necessarily collectivist. Read Orwell.
> >
> >> BTW, fascism, wh/ is extreme right, is also collectivist -- very!
> >
> >No, facism did not sieze the property, business, etc. of the majority,
> >only the undesirables. And the state did not run the confiscated
> >businesses, they were given to favored capitalists.
> 
> They were given to favoured cronies, who may or may not have been
> capitalists; notwithstanding that, you don't have to 'own' something
> to control it and in Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy, control
> was the watchword.  If they had lasted, I'm sure actual ownership as
> in Soviet style state ownership would have evolved.  As it was, Coal,
> Steel and other core heavy industry was directly 'controlled' under
> Goering's ham handed ministry.

Who controlled the heavy industry in the US and great Britain from 1939
to 1945?

Werner Knoll

> >
> >--
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
> >Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
> >Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
> >MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
> >Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
> >
> 
> EBB

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           04-Dec-99 17:49:07
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: IBM GXP Hard Disk Series

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:52:57, Forrest Gehrke 
<fegehrke@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> IBM has a series of Hard Disk drives which support the new
> ATA-66 specification.  Is there an OS/2 driver for these
> drives?

There is an updated IDE driver available at the OS/2 Device
Driver Pak web site.

URL http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/

I think it can support the ATA-66 spec, if not obtain
the DANIS506.ADD driver fron http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
file name is DANIS506.zip, it does support the ATA-66
spec drives.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           04-Dec-99 17:52:22
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: Dual boot and Trap E

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:05:43, Steve Christie <Srchris@attglobal.net> 
wrote:

> 
> I have two computers both networked together. Both computers have OS/2
> and Win98 intstalled with bootmanager.
> 
> When I boot to Win98 the computer booted to OS/2 will trap out with a
> Trap E.
> 
> Can anybody give me some inssight into why this happens and how to solve
> it.

Does the trap screen happen to show the device driver
that causes the trap??? This sounds like it "should" be
some kind of network problem (or possibly the
File and Print Services client).

Please post the entire trap screen, someone may
be able to figure out what it says. Also what FP are
you running on the OS/2 machine and what protocols
are you using for networking?

Try updating the MPTS version to WR8610 and then
WR8620 (requires WR8610 first). 


--

Lorne Sunley

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From: user@host.com                                     04-Dec-99 12:04:03
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: Right vs left 

From: user@host.com (Roman)

E. Barry Bruyea:

> They were given to favoured cronies, who may or may not have been
> capitalists; notwithstanding that, you don't have to 'own' something
> to control it and in Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy, control
> was the watchword.  If they had lasted, I'm sure actual ownership as
                      ************************************************
> in Soviet style state ownership would have evolved.
 ***************************************************

Not necessarily. Many industrialists (including Henry Ford, a personal
friend of Hitler's) were quite pleased with the way things were being run
in Germany and Italy. They didn't see what all the fuss was about. Sure,
the fascists were a bit heavyhanded but business was booming. There was
also good money to be made selling technology and arms to the Nazis and
many companies from Britain and N. America (ITT for example) jumped in and
took advantage of this. It was a mutually beneficial relationship and both
the fascist regimes and industry were satisfied. The fact that millions of
people were being killed or persecuted didn't bother the industrialists as
long as there was still a buck to be made. The same is still true today.

-- 
http://www.crosswinds.net/~berlin13/index.html 
 
E-mail: europa<AT>smartt<DOT>com
--
I am no Marxist.
     (Karl Marx)


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From: larso@commodore.                                  04-Dec-99 18:35:09
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:19
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
>    "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

> > > But you claim that no government ever did anything good for the people.
By
> > > your logic, providing a police force is bad.
> 
> > I didn't actually make that particular claim.
> 
> You fucking well did make that claim.

No, Chris made that claim.  Steven answered to an aspect in the response,
about what a government does, by saying that most of it isn't even the
government's job.

>                                         It is in one of the messages sent to
> the President of the University of Alberta.

Why did you send Chris/Steve's message (which doesn't include my name at
all) in a package presumably sent to answer a question that you could answer
spending eleven minutes online?

By the way, if you're expecting a response from the University of Alberta
president, who doesn't even personally respond to the whining from Student
Union hacks, you're kidding yourself.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: sma@spam-not.rtd.com                              04-Dec-99 18:43:03
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:19
Subj: Re: Switching drives - how?

From: James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com>


lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
> 
>  [ ... ]
>
> This is on my old Warp 3 machine that runs only when my Warp 4 machine is
> down..
> 
> Status            Access          Type
> ---------------------------------
> Drive 1
> Startable       Primary       Boot Mgr
> Bootable       C: Primary    FAT
> None             D: locigal     FAT
> 
> Drive 2
> None             Primary       freesp
> Bootable       E: Logical     FAT
> 
    Switching drives will have this result:
disk 1
  part 1	c: (was none/freesp)
  part 2	d: (was e:)

disk 2
  part 1	none (boot mgr, now ignored)
  part 2	d: (was c:)
  part 3	e: (was d:)

Obviously it won't boot since it looks for something useful, boot
manager or startable/bootable partition, only on disk 1. Your BIOS might
have options about which disk to start.
  You *might* install boot manager into the free space on the current
disk2 (which you want to make disk1). I am not sure if it will work. If
it does, you can identify and assign bootable partitions with fdisk to
boot manager.
  Since you are planning on removing the current disk1 anyway, what is
the point of swapping disk id's? You will have to back up the drive
contents, partition and format the new drive(s), and restore to them.

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove "spam-not." for email

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From: kenhamlett@my-deja.com                            04-Dec-99 18:27:23
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:19
Subj: Re: Bind Front end?

From: kenhamlett@my-deja.com

In article <81rp56$kq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  khamlett@dgweb.com wrote:
> A while back I saw a package for use as a front end to the

Actually the package I saw was more oriented for  quieries
and updating more than for configuration. It was a group
desktop objects for various interaction with bind. I
THINK it was done with Rexx scripts but didn't really examine
it that closely at the time.
What I want to do is move DNS to an old 486 with Warp 3 running.
I don't want to deal with the command line all the time so
would prefer to be able to just click the object, enter the name
and let it deal with the command line switches. Basicly a
no fuss situation running on marginal hardware is my goal.
Since bind is not a resource hog, I want to try it instead of
the DNS services packaged with Warp 4.
If I can't find it I might be tempted to try to build one
written in C, but I'm not really a programmer and would probably
end up with something inefficient and bloated. Thus my preference
is to find something already proven to work.
Thanks for the replies.
>>>Ken<<<


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com                              04-Dec-99 19:40:17
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:19
Subj: Re: OS/2 PowerPC

From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com (Brad Benson)

esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) wrote:

 - snip -
] IBM did release OS/2 for the PowerPC... stripped down to the bare 
] minimum, and available only if you "contacted your IBM sales rep."

It's unfortunate that it had to happen that way, but in the end, it's
probably just as well.  Tools were the biggest killer; the Metaware
cross compiler was a pain to deal with.


Cheers,

Brad
replace "spamtrap" with "benson" in my reply address

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From: larso@commodore.                                  04-Dec-99 20:03:24
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:19
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> > The long and the short of it is that Microsoft proposed a partnership
> > which was agreed to.  If the OEM had such a problem with this, they
> > could easily have not made the agreement.
> 
> No, the long and short of it is that Microsoft coerced OEM's around the
> world to agree to something they didn't want to but were forced to by the
> power of MicroSoft to destroy them if they didn't.

Microsoft has no power to destroy.  Microsoft has no weapons or war.  All
Microsoft can do is sell things.  That is the only power they possess.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  04-Dec-99 18:53:02
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:20
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Glenn Davies write:
> On 3 Dec 1999 08:25:14 GMT, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

> >> Under MS's per-processor licensing agreements, which the '95 consent
> >> decree eliminated, customers paid for DOS and Windows even if they
> >> didn't want those products.
> >
> >How was that?  I know the answer.  I can't wait to see how you express it.
> 
> If you ordered a computer from a OEM and stated that you didn't want a
> copy of DOS with it they would say fine it won't come with a copy of
> DOS. And when you asked how much did you save they would answer $0.00.

What was to stop you from saying "fuck you, then, no sale?"  Or what was to
stop you from going to a computer company that would sell you no
DOS-equipped computers?  Or what was to stop your from STARTING a computer
company that would sell you no DOS-equipped computers?

Here's that ever-important reminder for you: if an OEM enters a contract, a
term may well state that everything they sell has DOS.  This is a contract.
A _contract_.  If you want the OEM to violate their contract, they won't do
that, and no company in their right mind would.  You will have to find an
OEM that doesn't sign such a contract.  And the best part is, if EVERY
business in the world entered contracts which had conditions that made your
purchasing the product unacceptible, then I guess you just don't get it.

Par example, if you wanted to never buy food in a blue container, and EVERY
producer entered into a contract to sell all their food in a blue container,
and you wanted to keep up your little blue-boycott, then you would starve.
It isn't the company's duty to insure that every person gets their food
needs met.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      04-Dec-99 19:50:16
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:20
Subj: Re: Right vs left 

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:31:55 -0800, Werner Knoll <wernerkn@telus.net>
wrote:

>
>
>"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 02:09:50 -0500, Bob Germer
>> <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On <jbysxvebayvaxarg.fm6yy54.pminews@news.onlink.net>, on 12/03/99 at
>> >08:03 PM,
>> >   "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> said:
>> >
>> >> Totalitarian is not necessarily collectivist. Read Orwell.
>> >
>> >> BTW, fascism, wh/ is extreme right, is also collectivist -- very!
>> >
>> >No, facism did not sieze the property, business, etc. of the majority,
>> >only the undesirables. And the state did not run the confiscated
>> >businesses, they were given to favored capitalists.
>> 
>> They were given to favoured cronies, who may or may not have been
>> capitalists; notwithstanding that, you don't have to 'own' something
>> to control it and in Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy, control
>> was the watchword.  If they had lasted, I'm sure actual ownership as
>> in Soviet style state ownership would have evolved.  As it was, Coal,
>> Steel and other core heavy industry was directly 'controlled' under
>> Goering's ham handed ministry.
>
>Who controlled the heavy industry in the US and great Britain from 1939
>to 1945?
>
>Werner Knoll

My reference was meant to indicate pre-war conditions; certainly,
during wartime, governments generally determine who builds what where.

>
>> >
>> >--
>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
>> >Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
>> >Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
>> >MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
>> >Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
>> >
>> 
>> EBB

EBB

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From: larso@commodore.                                  04-Dec-99 20:15:24
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 19:48:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> > Guess what?  If Intel has agreed to a deal, or all Intel vendors on
> > earth have agreed to a deal, wherein Windows must be sold in tandem,
> > that isn't the sign of a monopoly.  That is the sign of a set of
> > agreements amoungst private individuals.
> 
> > Or do you believe Microsoft cannot sign contracts?
> 
> You are so full of shit you have mushrooms growing out of your ears.

I'm not the one speaking out against Microsoft signing a contract.

> MicroSoft has been proven to have coerced those companies to sign those
> deals.

How have they coerced them?  By making them a good deal?  Oooh, the horror.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: karl@dontspam.org                                 04-Dec-99 20:32:18
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 19:48:21
Subj: Re: Right vs left 

From: karl@dontspam.org (Karl Pollak)

x-no-archive: yes
Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:

>No, facism did not sieze the property, business, etc. of the majority,
>only the undesirables. And the state did not run the confiscated
>businesses, they were given to favored capitalists.

You are right Bob, but only on a minor technicality.  The National
Socialist regime may not have seized the property itself, but it seized
CONTROL of the property.  If the enterpreneur was not willing to gear his
production "to the service of the Fatherland" he automatically became one
of those "undesirables", was removed and his enterprise was given new
management, one that was willing to do what it was told by the government.


Which pretty much amounts to the same thing as confiscation.

-- 
Greetings from Lotusland

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From: user@host.com                                     04-Dec-99 13:20:19
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 19:48:21
Subj: Re: Right vs left 

From: user@host.com (Roman)

> x-no-archive: yes

Bob Germer:
> >No, facism did not sieze the property, business, etc. of the majority,
> >only the undesirables. And the state did not run the confiscated
> >businesses, they were given to favored capitalists.

Karl Pollak:
> You are right Bob, but only on a minor technicality.  The National
> Socialist regime may not have seized the property itself, but it seized
> CONTROL of the property.  If the enterpreneur was not willing to gear his
> production "to the service of the Fatherland" he automatically became one
> of those "undesirables", was removed and his enterprise was given new
> management, one that was willing to do what it was told by the government.

Enterpreneurs (provide they weren't Jewish or Gypsies of course) had few
problems doing business in fascist controlled Germany. As long as they
didn't challenge the Nazi's authority they were pretty much left alone.

> Which pretty much amounts to the same thing as confiscation.

Check out "Trading With the Enemy" by Charles Higham. It details how
numerous American businesses traded with the Nazis. Some even supported
Nazi policies openly. Fascism can be very good for business.

-- 
http://www.crosswinds.net/~berlin13/index.html 
 
E-mail: europa<AT>smartt<DOT>com
--
I am no Marxist.
     (Karl Marx)


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From: mckinnis@attglobal.net                            04-Dec-99 23:54:05
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 19:48:22
Subj: Re: TCP/IP connected printers

From: mckinnis@attglobal.net (Chuck McKinnis)

I am assuming that you are using an HP JetDirect, Lexmark MarkVision, 
Intel NetPort, or something similar.

I have an Intel NetPort and have used both LPRMON and LPRPORTD.  Since
LPRMON has to use a real printer port for each printer (I have 2) and 
seems to take more cycles, I dropped it in favor of LPRPORTD.

Have you tried the latest 3.1/4.0 TCP/IP fixpack?  It was just 
released at  
ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v3.1os2&v4.0os2/
universal/un_0980.

If your printer is low on storage, it will not be fast.  My Lexmark 
Optra Color 40 has 36Mb and runs quite nicely.  My Lexmark Optra Ep 
has 2Mb of storage and doesn't run quite so nicely.

Unfortunately, I doubt that either solution was ever tested with print
files as large as you are printing.

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:40:45, jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri) 
wrote:

> We have a printer that can only be accessed with TCP/IP. I want our 
> Warp Server Adv. to act as a printserver for it, and have found two 
> ways to do that:
> 
> 1. LPRMON -p print_900-950 -s 195.1.241.239 lpt3
> 2. LPRPORTD and connect printer object to port \PIPE\LPD0
> 
> Solution number 1 is reasonable fast, but crashes with really large 
> jobs (>60MB postscript file)
> 
> Solution number 2 is very neat, but terribly slow, to the extent that 
> it is unusable. This goes also for Warp 4.
> 
> Does anyone know a solution to this? (I have already upgraded with the
> LPRFILES package, this was neccesary to make it work at all on the 
> Warp Server)
> 
> regards,
> Jan
> 
> ----------------------------------
> Jan Eri -- Protector AS -- Norway
> Work: http://www.protector-group.no
> Priv: http://janeri.com

Chuck McKinnis
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     04-Dec-99 17:48:11
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Glenn Davies write:
> > On 3 Dec 1999 08:25:14 GMT, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
>
> > >> Under MS's per-processor licensing agreements, which the '95 consent
> > >> decree eliminated, customers paid for DOS and Windows even if they
> > >> didn't want those products.
> > >
> > >How was that?  I know the answer.  I can't wait to see how you express
it.
> >
> > If you ordered a computer from a OEM and stated that you didn't want a
> > copy of DOS with it they would say fine it won't come with a copy of
> > DOS. And when you asked how much did you save they would answer $0.00.
>
> What was to stop you from saying "fuck you, then, no sale?"

Civility.


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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        05-Dec-99 01:28:00
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:15
Subj: Re: www.lotus.com

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <38446092.9DA25F5C@attglobal.net>, Alon Stewart <abstewa@attglobal.net>
writes:
>It must be something in your browser settings, I have NS 4.61 and OS/2 and I
can access
>both sites you mentioned with no problem on 28.8 modem.  I have seen very few 
sites
>that I can not get, unless they have weird plugins required.

It looks like the problem was completely beyond my control, since I am no
longer
having the same problems. I have not changed any settings, but all of a sudden 

I have no problems connecting to Lotus or even Palm whose home page I have
never been able to load before. Maybe my ISP has sorted out some problem....

--
John

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     05-Dec-99 00:31:13
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:06:53, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
> >    Bob Davies <mktorg@hotmail.com> said:
> > 
> > > Only NOW can you buy a computer without an MS DOS or Windows licence -
> > > but it took thousands of protests and government action. If I recall
> > > correctly the action was taken under the RESTRAINT of TRADE laws. 
> > 
> > Not from Gateway or Dell. I just called both of them trying to buy a
> > system without Windows. Other than multiple (more than 20 machines) or
> > very high end servers, you must buy either Win98 (most models) or NT 4.
> 
> If you have a problem with how a company does business, don't support them.
> If you can't find a company you want to support, then you just don't support
> any.  They don't have to change to suit your needs.  If the consumer base
> you represent isn't worth the company's time, and happens to be not worth
> any company's time, that's just the way of things.
> 
> -- 
> Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
> mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
> The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/
> 
It's very easy to say that when you're not on "the recieving end" of 
Microsoft's busines tactics.  For Win users I imagine Microsoft's 
popularity is a wonderful thing and they don't really care how they 
got it.  Is the state of the world so bad that when an individual say 
"I don't want to be with the crowd" the rest of the world says "Well 
f*ck off then"?


Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     05-Dec-99 01:05:12
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:51:46, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw letoured@nospam.net write:
> > Chris J Delanoy <cdelanoy@ualberta.ca> said:
> 
> > >Explain how markets can create "monopolies" which can SIMULTANEOUSLY
> > >charge prices that are too high AND too low - which are among the
> > >so-called "facts" cited by Judge Jackson.
> > 
> > Its in the Findings of Fact. The price is higher then it needs to be for
> > the public
> 
> If you aren't leaving the issue of how high something "needs to be" to the
> free market, who are you leaving it to, and why do they get to impose "needs
> to be" upon both consumers and producers.
> 
> >              and either too low for companies that don't sell anything but
> > Windows
> 
> How is a price "too low"?  Should I return the Aero bar I bought today for
> $.35 (4/$1.40 special) because I didn't pay enough for it?
> 
> Of course not, because the only one who can decide a price is lower than it
> needs to be is the market, the complex interplay between consumer and
> producer.
> 
> I want to buy Windows with Office included for $0.02.
> MS wants to sell me Windows for $18,000,000, with Office for an additional
> 12 million bucks.
> 
Just out of interest, what would you do if Microsoft did indeed do 
that?

<snip>
 
> -- 
> Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
> mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
> The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          05-Dec-99 03:47:02
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:48:22, Joseph <josco@ibm.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> > As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Glenn Davies write:
> > > On 3 Dec 1999 08:25:14 GMT, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
> >
> > > >> Under MS's per-processor licensing agreements, which the '95 consent
> > > >> decree eliminated, customers paid for DOS and Windows even if they
> > > >> didn't want those products.
> > > >
> > > >How was that?  I know the answer.  I can't wait to see how you express
it.
> > >
> > > If you ordered a computer from a OEM and stated that you didn't want a
> > > copy of DOS with it they would say fine it won't come with a copy of
> > > DOS. And when you asked how much did you save they would answer $0.00.
> >
> > What was to stop you from saying "fuck you, then, no sale?"
> 
> Civility.

You could have said "common civility" but then again it has obviously 
grown less common, hasn't it? Especially around the campus at U of 
L...


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: bruce@os2box.omen.com.au                          05-Dec-99 02:05:07
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:16
Subj: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: bruce@os2box.omen.com.au

No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory. The
file name
is "SETUP*CMD,sss".

I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the hard
disk. Doing so
OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
Well I can tell you the file IS there.

It does not seem to have any effect on the file system. My problem is that
it's there and I 
can't get rid if it. It's on a HPFS Warp 4 partition.
 
Anyone have any clues please on how to rid my drive of this file???

 bruce@os2box.omen.com.au




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From: joehenley@worldnet.att.net                        04-Dec-99 21:04:12
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:16
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: "Joseph O. Henley" <joehenley@worldnet.att.net>

Bruce,

Try DFSee.  It's on Hobbes.  As a last resort, do an XCopy of everything
but that file to a backup partition, then reformat the original
partition.  Kinda using an ABomb for a gnat, but if you're
desperate......

Joe

PS:  You said you tried to drag it....  did you try a simple move
command to a floppy?



bruce@os2box.omen.com.au wrote:
> 
> No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory. The 
file name
> is "SETUP*CMD,sss".
> 
> I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the hard 
disk. Doing so
> OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
> SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
> Well I can tell you the file IS there.
> 
> It does not seem to have any effect on the file system. My problem is that
it's there and I
> can't get rid if it. It's on a HPFS Warp 4 partition.
> 
> Anyone have any clues please on how to rid my drive of this file???
> 
>  bruce@os2box.omen.com.au

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From: larso@commodore.                                  05-Dec-99 06:43:18
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Glen D write:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:51:46, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

> > I want to buy Windows with Office included for $0.02.
> > MS wants to sell me Windows for $18,000,000, with Office for an additional
> > 12 million bucks.
> > 
> Just out of interest, what would you do if Microsoft did indeed do 
> that?

Uhh....not by Microsoft products?  Same as if all consumers demanded less
than a pence for a sale, Microsoft wouldn't sell it.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: thaimann@dmreg.infi.net                           05-Dec-99 03:44:13
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 05:18:05
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: "Terry Haimann" <thaimann@dmreg.infi.net>

You are going to need to start an os2 command prompt and issue the attrib
command.
I'll make a bet that it's attribute is read only.  With the attrib command
you can change it
to a normal file.  Try issuing help attrib and read how to do this.  In the
bad old dos days
b4 os2 I had to write a program to delete a file that was read only, since my
version of dos 
wouldn't do it.

Hope this helps,  Terry

On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 02:05:15 GMT, bruce@os2box.omen.com.au wrote:

>No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory. The
file name
>is "SETUP*CMD,sss".
>
>I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the hard
disk. Doing so
>OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
>SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
>Well I can tell you the file IS there.
>
>It does not seem to have any effect on the file system. My problem is that
it's there and I 
>can't get rid if it. It's on a HPFS Warp 4 partition.
> 
>Anyone have any clues please on how to rid my drive of this file???
>
> bruce@os2box.omen.com.au
>
>
>
>



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From: nemo@union.edu                                    05-Dec-99 05:41:15
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:07
Subj: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: nemo@union.edu

Greetings!

I'm about to post this to the rsj newsgroup but I thought I'd ask here
also.

I have a Ricoh cdrw as the _only_ cd-drive in my system (for now); it is
running off of scsi id #2 off of a Tekram scsi adaptor. 

I have the follow setup in config.sys:

BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /ALL
[...]
DEVICE=f:\CDWFS\RSJSCSI.SYS
IFS=f:\CDWFS\CDWFS.IFS
RUN=f:\CDWFS\CDWFSD.EXE -p "h:/TEMP" -c20000 -b2048 -t2 -i3 -s4 rem
BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT

(LOCKCDR.FLT is remmed out because otherwise there's no access to the
cdrw, OS/2 occupies it.)

If I boot to Win95, I can easily run EZ-CD and burn a cd, and RSJ can
access that cd and read it. However, I cannot burn the CD in RSJ which
coughs and says that the CD is 'write-protected'. For instance, I cannot
'copy' to the cd or 'format' the cd. 

To attach the cdrw (K:) I use:

cdattach z: -d k:

This creates the appropriate icon in the 'Drives' folder. 

I also can't get cdrecord/2 to run but that's a different story. I paid
hard cash for rsj.

There may be some hardware issues between rsj and the tekram. I did
install the most recent rsj build (but I haven't flashed the tekram). I'm
pretty sure my scsi chain is set up right. Still, the fact I get trouble
from cdrecord/2 also raises suspicions. Still, Win95 doesn't seem to have
a problem.

Ok, that's the gist. I appreciate any help.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au                05-Dec-99 21:01:01
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:07
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au (stephen)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:25:59, mbatey@cixno.spamco.uk (Maurice Batey) 
wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:28:19, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) 
> wrote:
> 
> > When you install 4.61 it will pick up your user profile from 4.04
> > and use it. 
> 
> Thanks, Lorne. Will 4.61 pick up my 2.02 Bookmarks etc.?
> (If not, how does one migrate them?)

I use the one bookmark file in both 2.02 and 4.61. That way it does 
not matter which one I am running, or if I add or delete any 
bookmarks.

This is achieved by:

Open bookmarks

Click on Edit Bookmarks

Click on File

Click on Open Bookmarks File

Choose the bookmarks file you wish to use from whatever subdiretory it
is in.

This bookmarks file will remain the active one until you go through 
this process again to change to another bookmark file.

> Maurice Batey
> (Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

Regards,

Stephen

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     05-Dec-99 10:57:19
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:07
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 06:43:37, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Glen D write:
> > On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:51:46, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
> 
> > > I want to buy Windows with Office included for $0.02.
> > > MS wants to sell me Windows for $18,000,000, with Office for an
additional
> > > 12 million bucks.
> > > 
> > Just out of interest, what would you do if Microsoft did indeed do 
> > that?
> 
> Uhh....not by Microsoft products?  Same as if all consumers demanded less
> than a pence for a sale, Microsoft wouldn't sell it.
> 
Would you switch to an alternate OS or obtain a pirate copy of 
Windows?

> -- 
> Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
> mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
> The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/
> 

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        05-Dec-99 11:30:04
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:07
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <c1.2c.2T8FMv$00w@transit.omen.com.au>, bruce@os2box.omen.com.au writes:
>No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory. The
file name
>is "SETUP*CMD,sss".

What happens when you try 

dir ??????????sss 

If this finds the file, maybe try 

del ??????????sss 

at a command prompt...

>I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the hard
disk. Doing so
>OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
>SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
>Well I can tell you the file IS there.
>
>It does not seem to have any effect on the file system. My problem is that
it's there and I 
>can't get rid if it. It's on a HPFS Warp 4 partition.
> 
>Anyone have any clues please on how to rid my drive of this file???
>
> bruce@os2box.omen.com.au
>
--
John

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From: xxctheronxx@xxiafricaxx.com                       05-Dec-99 14:29:25
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:08
Subj: Small Fonts for WIN-OS2

From: "Chris Theron" <xxctheronxx@xxiafricaxx.com>

I use a S3 Trio 3D video card. Installing  its driver  adds a new object
"S3 Windows Font Size" to the System Setup Folder. This allows one to 
choose between "large" or "small" fonts for Win/OS2  sessions.  
I particularly like the small fonts because in some of my Win-OS2 
apps it paints the whole Windows window in the Win-OS2 window,  
whereas with the "large fonts I have to keep on scrolling left/right  
and up/down. Unfortunately there are other 'not so nice' things in 
this driver's behaviour.

I have looked at the IBM GRADD080 driver, and like it a lot, but I 
cannot get the "small" fonts like in the S3 driver, although I 
suspect that it ought to be possible.

I have looked at the WIN.INI files in the two scenarios, and in the 
S3 case  there are two entries:

  Small Fonts (VGA res)=smalle.fon
  Small Fonts (8514/a res)=smallf.fon

The second of these two is not present in the IBM GRADD080 version. 
I have tried to add it, but it still does not give me the small  
fonts.

I would really appreciate it if someone can show/tell me EXACTLY 
what to add or change in ALL the files that need to be changed  
to give me the desired effect.

BTW, I have also looked at the latest (B11) beta of Schitec's 
Display doctor, but there are similar problems to what I 
experience with the S3 Driver




Chris Theron
Durbanville
South Africa


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From: rcrane@octa4.net.au                               05-Dec-99 13:27:04
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:02
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane)

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:51:52, "Steven C. Britton" 
<sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote in part:
<list of issued unrelated to unionism deleted>
> All of these issues are totally unrelated to unionism.  Unions do not
> effectively prevent these things from happening.
>  
> All unions do is create an environment of mediocrity and laziness; and pay
> the union bosses big bucks to create havoc.
> 

More revisionist history, I recommend that you read up on 
the history of the ALP and the English Labor party and even 
some Canadian period history.
Even if you see no value or purpose in unions today to 
dismiss Mr Donnelley's list as unrelated to unionism is 
ignoring the weight of history.
Richard A Crane
Barrister & Solicitor
slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT 
octa4.net.au 
OR rcrane AT attglobal.net

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From: rcrane@octa4.net.au                               05-Dec-99 13:27:03
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:02
Subj: Re: IBM Support for os/2

From: rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane)

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:04:26, Martin Brown 
<martin.brown@pandora.be> wrote: 
> ALDEL wrote:
> Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be> said:
>Thomas Billert wrote:
> 
> > >> have a look at http://www.warpupdates.de/
> >

Thanks to the poster of this site's address (Thomas I think)
and to the others that have said its down can't be got to 
etc I add that I tried it and got through OK

And if the site maintainer happens to be reading this 
"thanks for the site".
Richard A Crane
Barrister & Solicitor
slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT 
octa4.net.au 
OR rcrane AT attglobal.net

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From: possum@fred.net                                   05-Dec-99 15:04:14
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:02
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: possum@fred.net (Mike Trettel)

On 3 Dec 1999 00:43:40 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:
>
>Here's a hint, US LAW DEFINING MONOPOLIES is the entire problem!  I'm not
>trying to argue that MS is acting legally, but rather that its actions
>should never have been illegal in the first place.

I have a perfectly honest question, then.  If you truly believe this is
so, then it follows that you would believe that any of the US
government's antitrust actions over the past hundred or so years were
wrong, no?  That would mean that the Standard Oil antitrust case should
never have been brought, that IBM should not have suffered repeated
antitrust suits, et al.  Otherwise, it would appear that you're just
engaging in a special pleading-that the present day law should not
apply to Microsoft, but should apply to other businesses.

One of the great ironies of the present situation is that IBM went to
an outside source for its new (at the time) PC operating system in
order to cirmcumvent yet another antitrust inquiry from the DOJ.  They
ended up going to MS, along with Digital Research and some other party
whom I can't recall.  This is a situation where antitrust law gave MS
its big break. Yet, if I'm following your logic properly, IBM should
have been allowed to produce and use it's own OS on the PC, and kept
that market closed.

>
>> MS forces computer buyers to pay for Windows whether the customer wants to
>> or not.
>
>MS doesn't force computer buyers to do anything.  Microsoft sells its code.
>People buy it.  This is called a free exchange.

That's an interesting color of sky in your world.  It's, what, rose
colored?

-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        05-Dec-99 13:24:13
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:02
Subj: Re: TCP/IP connected printers

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 23:54:11, mckinnis@attglobal.net (Chuck McKinnis) 
wrote:
> I am assuming that you are using an HP JetDirect, Lexmark MarkVision, 
> Intel NetPort, or something similar.

Thanks for your response,
No, I am not using any of the above. I am printing to a  Fiery 
RIP-server running LPD that outputs to a Canon CLC-900 color copier.
The reason I want the Warp Server with TCP/IP 3.1 to act as a print 
server is that not all our computers run TCP/IP. But it seems I have 
the same trouble also from the more recent Warp 4 workstations running
TCP/IP 4.

> Have you tried the latest 3.1/4.0 TCP/IP fixpack?  It was just released at  
> ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v3.1os2&v4.0os2/
> universal/un_0980.

Yes I have, but even if the LPR files seemed more recent than the ones
from the LPRFILES fix, I still have the same problem. LPRMON 
terminates with  "DosAllocSeg(32767): rc=8" in TNLS16.DLL

> If your printer is low on storage, it will not be fast.  My Lexmark 
> Optra Color 40 has 36Mb and runs quite nicely.  My Lexmark Optra Ep 

The Fiery server definitely shouldn't be low on storage, so I don't 
understand why LPRPORTD is so incredibly slow (even with small files)

> > 1. LPRMON -p print_900-950 -s 195.1.241.239 lpt3
> > 2. LPRPORTD and connect printer object to port \PIPE\LPD0
> > 
> > Solution number 1 is reasonable fast, but crashes with really large 
> > jobs (>60MB postscript file)
> > 
> > Solution number 2 is very neat, but terribly slow, to the extent that 
> > it is unusable. This goes also for Warp 4.

regards,
Jan
----------------------------------
Jan Eri -- Protector AS -- Norway
Work: http://www.protector-group.no
Priv: http://janeri.com

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          05-Dec-99 15:13:15
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:27:09, rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane) 
wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:51:52, "Steven C. Britton" 
> <sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote in part:
> <list of issued unrelated to unionism deleted>
> > All of these issues are totally unrelated to unionism.  Unions do not
> > effectively prevent these things from happening.
> >  
> > All unions do is create an environment of mediocrity and laziness; and pay
> > the union bosses big bucks to create havoc.
> > 
> 
> More revisionist history, I recommend that you read up on 
> the history of the ALP and the English Labor party and even 
> some Canadian period history.
> Even if you see no value or purpose in unions today to 
> dismiss Mr Donnelley's list as unrelated to unionism is 
> ignoring the weight of history.

I missed the rejoinder because of a freshly applied filter, but I'd 
have answered that there's a lot more to be said for re-evaluating the
need for Limited Liability Companies (Corporations) than for 
re-evaluating the need for organizing labour into bargaining 
collectives to deal with both corporation and proprietor employers. 

I especially think the time has come to eliminate the perfect shield 
that a corporate structure gives its owners for criminal and 
criminally-negligent actions that profit them. Put more of those 
greedy bastards in actual jail (as they do in some other countries) in
full view of their families and neighbours inside the gated 
"communities" and country clubs they live in, and see how fast 
corporate policies get modified.

And, just as is true with the bugaboo of Welfare Fraud, which, even if
as much as 100% of all public welfare is fraudelent is still a tiny 
fraction of the proven fraud in, say, the defense budget or in the 
construction of major public works like highways and sports complexes,
the added cost of using Union Labour, over properly compensated and 
protected non-union workers, pales compared to the fraud costs exacted
by a renegade corporation like Micro$oft. 

And generally the costs of fraud we've seen prosecuted inside the 
unions has been borne by their members, whose pension fund money got 
stolen or misused, but none of that has ever led to any bailouts with 
public money like those we've seen with the S&Ls (corporations), banks
(corporations) defense contractors (corporations) and hedge funds 
(corporations.)


New York City construction contracts are exempted from my argument, 
because I've never seen anything quite like the work rules and general
lethargy of construction there. But then *everybody* expects to take a
bite out of the pie in NY, right?

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: jim.danvers@mindex.com                            05-Dec-99 10:48:22
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>

Folks...

We're talking Warp v4 (client) right?  I just installed it yesterday on a
machine
@work, and managed to get the minimum (?) FP5 installed on it so that I could
get
netscape communicator (4.61) installed.  I work in an NT environment and am
pretty
familiar with all of the stupid service packs and subsequent hot fixes that
need to
be installed on it from time to time - and typically having the latest is
suggested
(after waiting for others to blow up thier systems first of course).

Question(s):  The install on warp on this machine @work is purely for learning 
/
getting experience with the OS and possibly for implementing it for my own use 
@home
- is there a "need" to have a later fixpack applied other than 5?  Is this
synonymous
with saying that NT1 SP1 is adequate and to just leave it @that?  (NOT!)  Also 
- NT
service packs contain all of the fixes from earlier incarnations - in other
words I
can install an NT box and then just go straight to SP5 if I want to - I don't
have to
apply 2-4 in order first.  Does this hold true with Warp?

Thanks for the info folks....

-=- J.D. -=-

"David T. Johnson" wrote:

> josco wrote:
> >
> > http://www.gt-online.com/~bri/fix.html
> > http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey/
> > (links above document how I came to this web page below)
> >
> > http://www.os2voice.org/ez-reference/fixpak.html I followed the directions
> > for an install off my hard drive, not floppy disks which takes too long
> > while this went quickly.  It was easy. I installed FP11.
> >
> > The fixpack files came from this ftp site.
> >
ftp://service.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/xr_m011/

> >
> > My advice is to be sure to at least run chkdsk prior to the install to be
> > sure not to have any disk errors.  I have my system boot with the HPFS
> > automatically checking my drives.  It seems easier than booting off the
> > floppies and running chkdsk.  You can modify the CONFIG.SYS file line
> > where the cache is installed. You add '+' signs in front of all cached
> > disks i.e. +c+d+e
> >
> > OS/2 Help will give you the correct symantics -- search help for "cache"
> > to see the exact syntax.  "Help cache"
> >
> > After the system is okay and running you can edit and remove the forced
> > chkdsk if that slows down boot time.
>
> I suggest installing fixpack 12 rather than fixpack 11.  Fixpack 11 had
> a problem with HPFS and required downleveling to fixpack 10 HPFS files
> (the fix was on Hobbes.)  I download the floppy files and make the
> floppyies with loaddskf.exe and then install them with the corrective
> service tool from an OS/2 window.  It's a little more trouble to make
> floppies than doing the RSU update but also a little more secure, imo.
>
> >
> > -- joseph
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Rime Saad wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > How do I install fixpack 11 ?  I downloaded the fixpack from the IBM FTP
> > > site, and the file had the extention ".sh".  I do not know how to
> > > install such a file
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > >

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From: Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net                 05-Dec-99 15:38:16
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: "Dave" <Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net>

On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 05:41:31 -0500, nemo@union.edu wrote:

>Greetings!
>
>I'm about to post this to the rsj newsgroup but I thought I'd ask here
>also.
>
>I have a Ricoh cdrw as the _only_ cd-drive in my system (for now); it is
>running off of scsi id #2 off of a Tekram scsi adaptor. 
>
>I have the follow setup in config.sys:
>
>BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /ALL
>[...]
>DEVICE=f:\CDWFS\RSJSCSI.SYS
>IFS=f:\CDWFS\CDWFS.IFS
>RUN=f:\CDWFS\CDWFSD.EXE -p "h:/TEMP" -c20000 -b2048 -t2 -i3 -s4 rem
>BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT
>
>(LOCKCDR.FLT is remmed out because otherwise there's no access to the
>cdrw, OS/2 occupies it.)

You lost me here.  You mean you can't read 'normal' CDs otherwise?  You
should be able to after 'attaching' the drive.
What Richo are you using?  My Richo MP6002S seems fine. (my *old* Mitsumi 1x
can't read CDRs well)
>
>To attach the cdrw (K:) I use:
>
>cdattach z: -d k:

I don't use the -d switch. (whats that for anyway? <grin>)


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From: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dun...               05-Dec-99 16:09:24
  To: bruce@os2box.omen.com.au                          05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

Message sender: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk

To: bruce@os2box.omen.com.au
From: Charles Christacopoulos <c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk>

bruce@os2box.omen.com.au wrote:
> 
> No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory. The 
file name
> is "SETUP*CMD,sss".
> 
> I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the hard 
disk. Doing so
> OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
> SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
> Well I can tell you the file IS there.
> 

Sorry if you already done this, try using the original Disk drives thing
that comes with warp.  I get regularly files which are undeletable (just
had one, where 2 separate programs crashed).  It has always cleared what
appeared to be undeletable.

Charles


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http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
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From: mthiv@znetrover.com                               05-Dec-99 16:48:03
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner

From: mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.)

Hi,

I'd posted this article in comp.os.os2.multimedia, but I think it can 
be a good choice to post the article here too.
 
Someone had success with a Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner under OS/2?
 
It's seem that only Sane/2 can provide the ability to run this scanner
under Warp, but it still in "alpha".
 
I want to buy a scanner and this one fit my needs.
 
thanks


No-spam delete the 'z'

Martin Thivierge
Quebec, Canada

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From: Marco.Faccini@tesco.net                           05-Dec-99 18:07:09
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Internet and Warp 3

From: "Marco Faccini" <Marco.Faccini@tesco.net>

Can someone please help me?
I am a new user to OS2 with very limited experiance, I have installed Warp 3
from disk and ported most of my win 3.1 programs into it. What I now want is
to use Warp 3 for my internet connection. I have read plenty on the net from
people who explain how this is done but, I am affraid I do not have the
knowlage on how to configure such a thing.
I do have the bonus pack but have found that the IBM " dial other provider
"
option only allows connection to a SLIP account (mine is ppp) and asks
questions about dns numbers but does not accept  0's. If anybody could give
a fool proof step by step account on how to set up such a thing I would be
greatful.
Please note I am disabled so if any further software is required could you
please point me towards freeware or shareware products as my budget is
extreamly limited.

Thank you all for your time and I hope I have not requested somthing you
have tackled too often in the past.


                                Marco

PS If anyone can recommend any web reading on OS2
Warp 3 I would be greatful.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     05-Dec-99 19:56:08
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:05:15, bruce@os2box.omen.com.au wrote:

> No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory. The 
file name
> is "SETUP*CMD,sss".
> 
> I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the hard 
disk. Doing so
> OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
> SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
> Well I can tell you the file IS there.
> 
> It does not seem to have any effect on the file system. My problem is that
it's there and I 
> can't get rid if it. It's on a HPFS Warp 4 partition.
>  
> Anyone have any clues please on how to rid my drive of this file???
> 
>  bruce@os2box.omen.com.au
> 

Put the whole drive:\path\filename within double quotes. Do this from 
a command line:

DEL "C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD.sss"

WITH the quotes. I think the "*" is confusing things, and the quotes 
should help.

If that doesn't work, try:

DEL C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*

which will delete every file in the directory, with a file 
name+extension that starts with SETUP, so be careful.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: fritzo@humboldt.net                               05-Dec-99 11:54:23
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: boot from zip

From: fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger)

I have an external SCSI zip.
ASUS mobo w/ ASUS PCI SCSI (NCR 3.2)
Is it possible to make a bootable disk for warp3?

how?

 

fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA

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From: sma@spam-not.rtd.com                              05-Dec-99 20:30:24
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com>


bruce@os2box.omen.com.au wrote:
> 
> No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory. The 
file name
> is "SETUP*CMD,sss".
> 
> I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the hard 
disk. Doing so
> OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
> SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
> Well I can tell you the file IS there.
> 
  It may be that the file system has become damaged regarding that file.
I had a program that crashed and had the same symptoms (file shows in
DIR command, can't be found by DEL). No variation of quoting or
wildcards could convince the OS the file existed for deletion.
  Try running CHKDSK. Since this is the C: drive you'll have to boot to
floppies or a mainteneance partition to have corrections written out.
This may correct the problem.
  Another option is to backup up everything in that directory except the
file you want to ax, remove the directory (if it will not remove, rename
it), restore it. It *is* a bit draconian... 


-- 

sma at rtd dot com
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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           05-Dec-99 15:45:05
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Internet and Warp 3

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Marco Faccini wrote:
> 
> Can someone please help me?
> I am a new user to OS2 with very limited experiance, I have installed Warp 3
> from disk and ported most of my win 3.1 programs into it. What I now want is
> to use Warp 3 for my internet connection. I have read plenty on the net from
> people who explain how this is done but, I am affraid I do not have the
> knowlage on how to configure such a thing.
> I do have the bonus pack but have found that the IBM " dial other provider
> "
> option only allows connection to a SLIP account (mine is ppp) and asks
> questions about dns numbers but does not accept  0's. If anybody could give
> a fool proof step by step account on how to set up such a thing I would be
> greatful.
> Please note I am disabled so if any further software is required could you
> please point me towards freeware or shareware products as my budget is
> extreamly limited.
> 
> Thank you all for your time and I hope I have not requested somthing you
> have tackled too often in the past.
> 
>                                 Marco
> 
> PS If anyone can recommend any web reading on OS2
> Warp 3 I would be greatful.

On the first page of the dialer entry settings in SLIPPM.EXE, below the
information lines for your entry's name and phone number of the ISP, and
all of that, there should be a box titled "Connection Type", with two
radio buttons - one marked SLIP, the other marked PPP.

The rest is left as an exercise.

The only exception I can think of to that is I seem to remember hearing
that the earliest releases of DOIP in Warp 3 Red Spine (ie. Warp 3 for
Windows) may have been an "earlier generation" of the software, lacking
PPP, but all of the Blue Spine releases AFAIK were the later version,
and included IBM WebExplorer. I have always been using strictly Blue
Spine (back to OS/2 2.1, purchased three months before OS/2 2.1 for
Windows was launched), so I can't say explicitly what might have been
the case there. Looking in the paper manual, I'd forgotten that IBM did
not give any paper documentation on the BonusPak in Warp 3.

Mind you, if you want a good dialer, while DOIP (Dial Other Internet
Provider, which runs SLIPPM.EXE) does the job quite reliably, I like
InJoy for being able to get nice stats on bandwidth and activity. I also
use a program called TCPLED to emulate a few key lights on the modem -
helps to know at a glance that data is moving on the line, particularly
when you use an internal modem. It also can freak other people out when
they try to make use of your computer when it is online ;)
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     05-Dec-99 19:56:09
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:48:44, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

> Folks...
>  
> We're talking Warp v4 (client) right?  I just installed it yesterday on a
machine
> @work, and managed to get the minimum (?) FP5 installed on it so that I
could get
> netscape communicator (4.61) installed.  I work in an NT environment and am
pretty
> familiar with all of the stupid service packs and subsequent hot fixes that
need to
> be installed on it from time to time - and typically having the latest is
suggested
> (after waiting for others to blow up thier systems first of course).
>  
> Question(s):  The install on warp on this machine @work is purely for
learning /
> getting experience with the OS and possibly for implementing it for my own
use @home
> - is there a "need" to have a later fixpack applied other than 5?  Is this
synonymous
> with saying that NT1 SP1 is adequate and to just leave it @that?  (NOT!) 
Also - NT
> service packs contain all of the fixes from earlier incarnations - in other
words I
> can install an NT box and then just go straight to SP5 if I want to - I
don't have to
> apply 2-4 in order first.  Does this hold true with Warp?
>  
> Thanks for the info folks....
>  
> -=- J.D. -=-
> 

First, welcome to the world of OS/2.

The OS/2 fix packs are cumulative (the latest, contains all of the 
fixes, which may include going back to a lower level file, in some 
cases) up to FP11, when IBM split out a lot of hardware device drivers
into 
their own fix pack. Not ALL hardware drivers are in the DD FP. You 
should check at the Device driver web site, for the latest drivers for
your devices:
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm

You can get the latest Fix Pack (12, at this time), from:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/
(back up a few directories for different languages, or for warp3), and
you can get the Device Driver Fix Pack (1, at this time), from:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/

This site only keeps certain versions of the fix packs, and you cannot
get them all from there (I think they keep FP5, because that was the 
first Y2K version, the latest, and the latest-1). If you want to try 
some other version, you can get them from HOBBES:
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/

Many people find that there are problems with various fix packs, and 
that one will work better than others, for their specific machine, and
applications. Personally, I found FP9 to be the most stable, but FP12 
is close, as long as you get a fixed version of the PMMerge.DLL file 
(available as PMR00052.ZIP, from HOBBES). I had terrible problems with
FP5 (or was it 6???).

You may, also, want to check out various alternative FP installation 
methods. If you go to the OS/2 SuperSite:
http://www.os2ss.com/
and follow the New User links, you will find a LOT of good information
about OS/2, including different ways to go about installing fix packs.

Finally, the Golden Rule of OS/2 fix packs, is DON'T fix pack it if 
you don't have a problem! Of course Y2K is going to be a "problem" 
shortly.

Other good OS/2 web sites include:
http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm
http://www.leo.org/archiv/software/os2/index_grouped.html
http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7567/software/english/ind
ex.html
http://www.gt-online.com/~bri/
http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
http://ncic.netmag.cz/apps/nase/smartcache_e.html
ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html
http://www.musthave.com/
http://www.pmview.com/
http://www.indelible-blue.com/
http://www.RPFSoftware.com/
http://www.kellergroup.com/
http://www.emtec.com/
http://www.cds-inc.com/

(I have no affiliation with any of them, other than as a user of their
products, or information).

Hope this helps...
******************************
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doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: nemo@union.edu                                    05-Dec-99 14:59:07
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: nemo@union.edu

In <zhqfunexjbeyqargnggarg.fm9y4r0.pminews@news.optonline.net>, on
12/05/99 
   at 03:38 PM, "Dave" <Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net> said:


>You lost me here.  You mean you can't read 'normal' CDs otherwise?  You
>should be able to after 'attaching' the drive.
>What Richo are you using?  My Richo MP6002S seems fine. (my *old* Mitsumi
>1x can't read CDRs well)
>>
>>To attach the cdrw (K:) I use:
>>
>>cdattach z: -d k:

>I don't use the -d switch. (whats that for anyway? <grin>)

I can read the cdrw whether I use rsj or not. If I use rsj via the
cdattach command, I can read cds at drive Z: instead of drive K: 

So that's not a problem.

What I can't do is _write_ anything to the cd. I've got the 'read' part
but not the 'write' part.

I'm not sure of the version of a Ricoh I've gotten, I'll have to pop the
box again and look, but it's a pretty recent device, no older than what
you have.

The '-d' stands for 'dev' or 'device'.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: dink@dontspamme.com                               05-Dec-99 15:56:10
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: "dinkmeister" <dink@dontspamme.com>

On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 05:41:31 -0500, nemo@union.edu wrote:

>cdattach z: -d k:

try using CDR: insetad of k:
k goes thru os2's cdfs.ifs, cdr: goes to rsj =)
which is probably why it keeps saying its write protected,
'cause os/2's cdfs doesn't understand rw commands.


- dink ( http://dink.org )






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From: nemo@union.edu                                    05-Dec-99 16:00:07
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: nemo@union.edu

In <qvaxqbagfcnzzrpbz.fmactw0.pminews@ftl.msen.com>, on 12/05/99 
   at 03:56 PM, "dinkmeister" <dink@dontspamme.com> said:

>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 05:41:31 -0500, nemo@union.edu wrote:

>>cdattach z: -d k:

>try using CDR: insetad of k:
>k goes thru os2's cdfs.ifs, cdr: goes to rsj =)
>which is probably why it keeps saying its write protected,
>'cause os/2's cdfs doesn't understand rw commands.


>- dink ( http://dink.org )

I suspect your diagnosis is correct. However, if I run:

cdattach Z: -d CDR:

I get:

"SYS0020: The system cannot find the device specified."

I have LOCKCDR.FLT remmed out. I'll try your suggestion later when I
reboot.

I'm suspecting there's some bug about running the cdrw as the only
cd-player.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: jim.danvers@mindex.com                            05-Dec-99 17:17:23
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>

Doug. Lorne, et all...

Outstanding.  Thanks for the help and info.  The fixpack / device driver fix
packs split
more or lesss clears that one up.  (I was wondering about the "dd" fixes... )

Doug:  What exactly (if ~exactly~ can be defined...) will be "the problem"
with respect to
OS/2?  Are there known issues with it that are going to be more effectual (in
a negative
manner) on an OS/2 platformed box than on an MS based one (any variant of 9x - 
NT)?  Known
issues in a ~positive~ manner?

I'm planning on installing the Star Office app suite on the box tommorow, and
then I would
like to look into a backup solution as well as the box has an adaptec scsi
host controller
on it (its a compaq deskpro 6000).  I have access to an external HP 4mm dat
drive that I
would like to put back into service - I'm tentativly looking at something
called "Back
Again/2000" - should I just leave the box @FP5 if everything works, or should
I take it up
to what appears to be a stable FP9 and then be done with it?  Also (now that I 
think about
it), should I install my apps/ util / etc... s/w ~first~ and then apply FP9,
or doesn't it
matter?  It's a general rule of thumb in the NT world that if you install s/w
~after~
having installed a service pack or hotfix, to reload said SP or hot fix
afterwards (in case
any files got stomped...).

Last but not least - I would lke to be able to get it to talk co-operatively
with the NT
based network that I have @work - this appears to be some form of real devil
worship black
magic.  I have bookmarked some good looking resources to assist me with
this...  I'm
keeping my fingers crossed.  The box isn't half bad now as it is - I am
getting name
resolution when it comes to pinging machines in the domain, and I can even get 
out onto the
internet through the proxy server which is located across the wan (  :)  ) - I 
don't know
if I will be able to use any printers or map any drives on the NT boxes though 
(I haven't
tried yet).  For what its worth - the PC is running as an "Easy Install" mode, 
(vs. the
"Advanced Install").  I know of the following resources for doing this:

Colin's how to connect OS/2 PCs to NT domains page:
http://www.haynes97.freeserve.co.uk/os2tont.htm

RokNroB's Electrons
http://www.flash.net/~roknrob/sea.htm

Setting Up OS/2 Peer-to-Peer Networking & Coexistence of Warp & NT Machines on 
the MITNet
http://www.mit.edu/activities/os2/peer/WARPPEER.HTM

... do you folks know of other resources for reference?  I ~should~ be able to 
do this with
what I have @present, shouldn't I?

Thanks again very much for the assistance!  ;)

-=- J.D. -=-

Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:48:44, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Folks...
> >
> > We're talking Warp v4 (client) right?  I just installed it yesterday on a
machine
> > @work, and managed to get the minimum (?) FP5 installed on it so that I
could get
> > netscape communicator (4.61) installed.  I work in an NT environment and
am pretty
> > familiar with all of the stupid service packs and subsequent hot fixes
that need to
> > be installed on it from time to time - and typically having the latest is
suggested
> > (after waiting for others to blow up thier systems first of course).
> >
> > Question(s):  The install on warp on this machine @work is purely for
learning /
> > getting experience with the OS and possibly for implementing it for my own 
use @home
> > - is there a "need" to have a later fixpack applied other than 5?  Is this 
synonymous
> > with saying that NT1 SP1 is adequate and to just leave it @that?  (NOT!) 
Also - NT
> > service packs contain all of the fixes from earlier incarnations - in
other words I
> > can install an NT box and then just go straight to SP5 if I want to - I
don't have to
> > apply 2-4 in order first.  Does this hold true with Warp?
> >
> > Thanks for the info folks....
> >
> > -=- J.D. -=-
> >
>
> First, welcome to the world of OS/2.
>
> The OS/2 fix packs are cumulative (the latest, contains all of the
> fixes, which may include going back to a lower level file, in some
> cases) up to FP11, when IBM split out a lot of hardware device drivers
> into
> their own fix pack. Not ALL hardware drivers are in the DD FP. You
> should check at the Device driver web site, for the latest drivers for
> your devices:
> http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm
>
> You can get the latest Fix Pack (12, at this time), from:
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/
> (back up a few directories for different languages, or for warp3), and
> you can get the Device Driver Fix Pack (1, at this time), from:
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/
>
> This site only keeps certain versions of the fix packs, and you cannot
> get them all from there (I think they keep FP5, because that was the
> first Y2K version, the latest, and the latest-1). If you want to try
> some other version, you can get them from HOBBES:
> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/
>
> Many people find that there are problems with various fix packs, and
> that one will work better than others, for their specific machine, and
> applications. Personally, I found FP9 to be the most stable, but FP12
> is close, as long as you get a fixed version of the PMMerge.DLL file
> (available as PMR00052.ZIP, from HOBBES). I had terrible problems with
> FP5 (or was it 6???).
>
> You may, also, want to check out various alternative FP installation
> methods. If you go to the OS/2 SuperSite:
> http://www.os2ss.com/
> and follow the New User links, you will find a LOT of good information
> about OS/2, including different ways to go about installing fix packs.
>
> Finally, the Golden Rule of OS/2 fix packs, is DON'T fix pack it if
> you don't have a problem! Of course Y2K is going to be a "problem"
> shortly.
>
> Other good OS/2 web sites include:
> http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm
> http://www.leo.org/archiv/software/os2/index_grouped.html
> http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7567/software/english/ind
> ex.html
> http://www.gt-online.com/~bri/
> http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
> http://ncic.netmag.cz/apps/nase/smartcache_e.html
> ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/
> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html
> http://www.musthave.com/
> http://www.pmview.com/
> http://www.indelible-blue.com/
> http://www.RPFSoftware.com/
> http://www.kellergroup.com/
> http://www.emtec.com/
> http://www.cds-inc.com/
>
> (I have no affiliation with any of them, other than as a user of their
> products, or information).
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

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From: Marco.Faccini@tesco.net                           05-Dec-99 21:37:19
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Internet and Warp 3

From: "Marco Faccini" <Marco.Faccini@tesco.net>

Snip
Mark L. Kahnt wrote in message <384ACED6.BCF6FF81@adan.kingston.net>...
>Marco Faccini wrote:
>>
>> Can someone please help me?
>> I am a new user to OS2 with very limited experiance, I have installed
Warp 3
>> from disk and ported most of my win 3.1 programs into it. What I now want
is
>> to use Warp 3 for my internet connection. I do have the bonus pack but
have found that the IBM " dial other provider
>> "
>> option only allows connection to a SLIP account (mine is ppp) and asks
>> questions about dns numbers but does not accept  0's. If anybody could
give
>> a fool proof step by step account on how to set up such a thing I would
be
>> greatful.


>> >On the first page of the dialer entry settings in SLIPPM.EXE, below the
>information lines for your entry's name and phone number of the ISP, and
>all of that, there should be a box titled "Connection Type", with two
>radio buttons - one marked SLIP, the other marked PPP.

>The only exception I can think of to that is I seem to remember hearing
>that the earliest releases of DOIP in Warp 3 Red Spine (ie. Warp 3 for
>Windows) may have been an "earlier generation" of the software, lacking
>PPP, >--


Thanks for the reply, but guess what, my disks are in the red spine hence
the request for help, and I can only gain access to SLIP accounts using the
supplied software. I will attempt to find the software you mention and try
that out.


                    Thanks
                        Marco


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From: heloman@my-deja.com                               05-Dec-99 21:35:23
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Further Bootmanager Questions?

From: heloman@my-deja.com

I have 2 physical drives. OS/2 is currently on one
and the "other" operating system will go on the
other. When I went to 'fdisk' the other hard drive
(to eliminate previous partitions/data) I told it to
install Bootmanager. When I started win98 install it
proceeded to delete it by formating the disk. Am I to
leave an area at the end of the disk (via fdisk) to
come back after win98 install with os/2 fdisk and
install bootmanager? Since the hard drive that os/2
resides on is marked bootable/startable can I assume
this attribute must be removed? (AS I had problems I
disconnected the data cable to isolate each drive but
I want to get it right for the future!). Can anyone
give me a step by step (checked the book not to
useful) procedure to utilize bootmanager and keep
win98 on 1 physical drive and the currently installed
os/2 on the other and yet have both get along? Sorry
for the long post but don't want to blow all of what
I currently have (did make backups....) Thanks in
advance for any help......


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           05-Dec-99 22:23:02
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Internet and Warp 3

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:37:39, "Marco Faccini" <Marco.Faccini@tesco.net>
wrote:

> Snip
> Mark L. Kahnt wrote in message <384ACED6.BCF6FF81@adan.kingston.net>...
> >Marco Faccini wrote:
> >>
> >> Can someone please help me?
> >> I am a new user to OS2 with very limited experiance, I have installed
> Warp 3
> >> from disk and ported most of my win 3.1 programs into it. What I now want
> is
> >> to use Warp 3 for my internet connection. I do have the bonus pack but
> have found that the IBM " dial other provider
> >> "
> >> option only allows connection to a SLIP account (mine is ppp) and asks
> >> questions about dns numbers but does not accept  0's. If anybody could
> give
> >> a fool proof step by step account on how to set up such a thing I would
> be
> >> greatful.
> 
> 
> >> >On the first page of the dialer entry settings in SLIPPM.EXE, below the
> >information lines for your entry's name and phone number of the ISP, and
> >all of that, there should be a box titled "Connection Type", with two
> >radio buttons - one marked SLIP, the other marked PPP.
> 
> >The only exception I can think of to that is I seem to remember hearing
> >that the earliest releases of DOIP in Warp 3 Red Spine (ie. Warp 3 for
> >Windows) may have been an "earlier generation" of the software, lacking
> >PPP, >--
> 
> 
> Thanks for the reply, but guess what, my disks are in the red spine hence
> the request for help, and I can only gain access to SLIP accounts using the
> supplied software. I will attempt to find the software you mention and try
> that out.
> 

Just jumping in here...

The PPP program to use with DOIP can be obtained from
Hobbes.

URL http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/ppp/ppp.zip

This gives you the PPP capability for DOIP. The file includes
a bunch of replacement programs for DOIP.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             05-Dec-99 14:55:13
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In
<4hfPXeIL3YyL-pn2-KNfVMEt0W9rm@cust177.tnt1.dial.que1.uunet.ca>,
on 12/05/99 
   at 04:48 PM, mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.) said:

>Someone had success with a Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner under
>OS/2?

I have a Microtek E6 SCSI from a couple of years ago. It
works fine with IMPOS/2. I don't know if that is applicable
to your model, however.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: larso@commodore.                                  06-Dec-99 00:01:18
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Wolf Kirchmeir write:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:31:57 -0700, Steven C. Britton wrote:
> 
> =>It isn't the same quantity of merchandise.  One has Windows, the other
> =>doesn't.  Microsoft is offering a large discount on Windows when it is
> =>bundled with a computer.  You still pay more for a computer with Windows
> =>than a computer with no OS at all.
> 
> False. I tried to get a rebate on blank computer, sans OS, but couldn't.

Well, as you've said before, that is the licensing agreement that the
respective companies signed.  Your problem is with the way they choose to
business.  If this is such a big deal to you, do not purchase their product.

> Clearly, someone is setting things up so that I, the consumer, can'y buy a
> machine without that damn OS.

Every computer company wants to be able to sell their products to every
computer consumer out there.  None of them will ever be successful.  Yet you
want to punish the company that comes closest to that ideal.

>                                 It's not the reseller -- he's just
conforming
> to pressures bought to bear on him by the >>very large<< bully who co-ercing
> him.

Who is asking him.  There's a difference, even if the "very large bully"
asks for something very extreme in return.

> This has nothing whatver to do with property roights, BTW, and everything to
> do with the consumer's right to be offered a fair choice.

The consumer has no such right, anymore than a business has the right to be
protected from bankrupcy.

> All machines should be sold at cost of hardware + cost of selected OS + cost
> of selected software.

Plus profit, of course, right?

>                        If the reseller offers bundles, fine; but the machine
> without the bundle had better be cheaper.

If it isn't, I guess nobody will buy the bundle, eh?

>                                            If MS wants to deal with
resellers
> to offer their OS at a deep discount, that's fair enough. But a blank
machine
> should still be cheaper.

If MS and the dealer want to enter into an agreement where blank machines
aren't cheaper, that is their right.  It is your right not to enter into an
agreement where you purchase said blank machine.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  06-Dec-99 00:11:05
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw letoured@nospam.net write:
>  larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> >> > That's not coercive.  It's a package deal.  Microsoft can't force
> >> > computer distributors to put Windows on their machines; but they _can_
> >> > say that "if you sell a computer with windows, we'll give you a massive
> >> > discount on it".
> >> 
> >> Which is a direct violation of U. S. Fair Trade Laws
> >Precisely the point.
> 
> Are you in Special Ed? The issue is not the discount. The issue is that no
> one gets the discount if they sell anything but Windoze.

So in other words, a company isn't allowed to give a discount for behaviour
that they like?

Most discounts come with a condition.  So did MS's.  And you cry and scream
about it.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  06-Dec-99 00:12:27
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Forrest Gehrke write:
> Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> > Why on earth is such a straightforward transaction illegal?  What kind of
> > crazy law is that?
> > 
> Lars,
> I don't happen to know, but are you telling us that Canada
> does not have an antitrust law?

Oh, Canada has this lunacy too.  Even more powerful than the antitrust laws
in the U.S.  Propane companies are unable to merge for "the public good",
and the law explicitly states that a lack of evidence is no hindrance on
successful prosecution.

But it isn't Canada's anti-trust laws that persecute the most successful
company in the world today.

> Please look into it and report back what that law has
> to say about predatory pricing.

Oh, you mean the laws stating that any business practise is illegal?

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  06-Dec-99 00:14:21
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Mike Trettel write:
> On 3 Dec 1999 00:43:40 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:
> >
> >Here's a hint, US LAW DEFINING MONOPOLIES is the entire problem!  I'm not
> >trying to argue that MS is acting legally, but rather that its actions
> >should never have been illegal in the first place.
> 
> I have a perfectly honest question, then.  If you truly believe this is
> so, then it follows that you would believe that any of the US
> government's antitrust actions over the past hundred or so years were
> wrong, no? That would mean that the Standard Oil antitrust case should
> never have been brought, that IBM should not have suffered repeated
> antitrust suits, et al.

Yes, yes, and yes.

> >> MS forces computer buyers to pay for Windows whether the customer wants
to
> >> or not.
> >
> >MS doesn't force computer buyers to do anything.  Microsoft sells its code.
> >People buy it.  This is called a free exchange.
> 
> That's an interesting color of sky in your world.  It's, what, rose
> colored?

Who do you know who was forced to buy a copy of Windows?

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             05-Dec-99 15:08:05
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Internet and Warp 3

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <82ee8m$dqj$1@barcode.tesco.net>, on 12/05/99 
   at 06:07 PM, "Marco Faccini" <Marco.Faccini@tesco.net>
said:

>programs into it. What I now want is to use Warp 3 for my
>internet connection. I have read plenty on the net from

If you have plain jane Warp 3 you might want to consider
upgrading to Warp 3 Connect or Warp 4 which have better
Internet software "out of the box". You can pick up copies
of these on the Internet auction sites for very reasonable.


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: larso@commodore.                                  06-Dec-99 00:04:23
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw letoured@nospam.net write:
> larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> >> I agree with you - early on you had the choice. But there was a
> >> significant period of time when distributors were forced to supply a MS
> >> operating system when they sold a system.
> 
> >Huh?  When did Microsoft get all distributors to, against their will,
> >supply MS OSes with all systemms?
> 
> This is one of the things the US DOJ actions are all about.

Yes, but the DOJ actions never answered the question, either.

Microsoft signed contracts.  That's about it.  They never sent a private
army anywhere.


-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: mmellin@home.com                                  06-Dec-99 00:47:21
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: mmellin@home.com (Mark Mellin)

Any ideas on how to connect/configure Warp4 as the print server on
a HP LaserJet4 using HP's JetDirect card across a 10-BaseT peer
network with TCP/IP ??

I couldn't & didn't find any JetDirect software for OS/2 on HP's
or IBM's driver site(s).

My telenet'd config for the Jetdirect card is as follows:

===JetDirect Telnet Configuration===

        Configured Parameters
        IP Address      : 192.168.1.5
        Subnet Mask     : 255.255.255.0
        Default Gateway : 192.168.1.5
        Syslog Server   : 192.168.1.1
        Idle Timeout    : 90 Seconds


Everything seems to be connected and working properly...

Thanks in advance for any help.
Mark

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From: jbigge@novagate.com                               06-Dec-99 00:49:20
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: jbigge@novagate.com (Jerome Bigge)

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:59:22 -0500, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
wrote:

>On <81v30h$bcg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 11/29/99 at 11:42 PM,
>   Chris J Delanoy <cdelanoy@ualberta.ca> said:
>
>> Jerry, if you believe you are forced to "eat Microsoft", as it were,
>> then I propose the following experiment which will show you the
>> difference between production and force:  For the next year, don't buy
>> or use any Microsoft products whatsoever.  That is, send the alleged
>> "robber barron" Bill Gates no money whatsoever.  At the same time, send
>> no money to the government.  That is, don't pay your taxes for the same
>> period.
>
>> Then wait.  Then see who comes after you for your money, and with what
>> weapons.  Perhaps then you'll see what force is and why neither
>> Microsoft nor any other private enterprise has any such power.
>
>What an assinine analogy. It is preposterous! You are comparing oranges
>and lima beans.
>
>If I do not wish to enrich Mr. Gates and his illegal monopoly, I cannot
>buy a Toshiba, IBM, Dell, Gateway, etc., etc. notebook computer because
>they are only sold with Windows 98 for which I have no use nor desire to
>buy. Therefore, I have only two choices, - support a thief or do without.
>
>If I want to expand my business or my clients do with most name brand
>computers, I and they must pay for Windows whether we wish to use it or
>not. Thus my clients and I are forced to support someone we have no wish
>to support. That, sir, is force.
>
>At one time, licensed monopolies controlled our telephone systems here in
>the US. Now, I have a choice of both local and long distance carriers.
>Rates have come down and continue to decline. Services such as call
>waiting, call forwarding, caller ID, unlisted and unpublished numbers,
>etc. are either free or half of what they were just a few years ago. In
>terms of constant dollars (money adjusted for inflation) I currently pay
>less than half of what I did for the same levels of service I did in 1989.
>For my business lines, I pay less than a third of what it cost in 1989.
>
>I have a choice of electric suppliers now and my rates have gone down 15%
>in the past 3 months. In 1980, it cost me $2,400 1980 dollars for heat,
>light, and hot water for my the home I lived in then. I live in a much
>larger home now, I have four computers, three printers, three external
>modems, and two scanners running 24/7 of which I had none in 1980. I have
>11 5 watt electric candles in our windows which are on timers and are on
>for an average of 8 hours a day, 365 days a year now. I have lamps in our
>living room and bedroom on timers which I did not have in 1980. My outside
>lights are on timers or light or motion sensing switches where only the
>front lantern was used in 1980. I have 2 electric garage door openers
>which I did not have in 1980. My current utility bills for the last 12
>months have totalled $2654. In terms of constant dollars, my rates have
>gone down by more than half due to competition.
>
>Yesterday, satellite TV companies gained the authority to carry channels
>formerly reserved for cable TV monopolies. I anticipate my TV costs will
>plummet now that Garden State Cable has lost its monopoly. BTW, when the
>government got out of the rate setting business for Cable TV, my rates
>increased 44% in three years. That is why our government opened up "must
>carry channels" to the satellite operators. Because the monopolies were
>gouging the public.
>
>Conversely, my water rates have more than quadrupled in the past 6 years
>and the monopoly providing the water is asking that the rates be doubled
>next year. My quarterly water bills in 1994 totalled $120 which included
>about $30 spent on watering the lawn. This year, with absolutely NO
>irrigation use whatsoever, the total is $396. The rate payers are
>organizing to hire an attorney and attempt to force the Board of Public
>Utilities which has rubber stamped every rate increase request to roll
>those rates back rather than grant another increase. Failing that, we
>intend to file suit to force the company into bankruptcy since our rates
>are more than double those in surrounding communities served by either
>municipal water authorities or other private companies. Since our local
>company was bought out by a larger company and now pays that larger
>company more than twice what some municipal water authorities pay for
>water from the parent, we believe we have a very strong case. We may also
>sue the BPU since it has consistently refused to recognize that Mount
>Holly Water Company is a wholly owned subsidiary of the larger company by
>saying that it does not have the authority to regulate what Mt. Holly must
>pay for water beyond the capacity of its own wells.
>
>I have a choice, of course. I can shut off the water and do without
>eating, bathing, brusing teeth, etc. However, that choice is no more
>reasonable than being forced to pay Gates or do without a needed computer.

There is an outfit called "Hydra-drill" which has a drilling kit
you can buy for less than $2,000 the last time I looked.  If a
number of home owners got together the cost of drilling your
wells would be only a few hundred dollars per person.  The
city water system is probably charging you for sewers, and
of course being a true monopoly, feels it can charge what it
wants.  PS, it would be interesting to know where the $$$ goes.

Jerome Bigge

CompTIA A+ Certified Computer Technician
Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           05-Dec-99 17:42:21
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:48:44, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

<snip>
> 
> Question(s):  The install on warp on this machine @work is purely for
learning /
> getting experience with the OS and possibly for implementing it for my own
use @home
> - is there a "need" to have a later fixpack applied other than 5?  Is this
synonymous
> with saying that NT1 SP1 is adequate and to just leave it @that?  (NOT!) 
Also - NT
> service packs contain all of the fixes from earlier incarnations - in other
words I
> can install an NT box and then just go straight to SP5 if I want to - I
don't have to
> apply 2-4 in order first.  Does this hold true with Warp?
> 

<snip>

Fixpacks with Warp are cumulative, each one has everything
earlier ones have. EXCEPT after FP 10 IBM split the FP
set for the OS into two, One for the OS (which continues
the incrementing number scheme - now up to FP 12).
the second is for device drivers now at DD number 1.

The device driver fixpack series updates the set
of device drivers that were included with the GA 
release of the OS. This includes such things as
the base IDE drivers.

Unlike NT, OS/2 fixpacks only do the base OS. There
are separate fixpack series for MPTS (networking protocols
like the TCP/IP stack and NETBIOS), TCP/IP applications,
File and Print Sharing client, Printer drivers updates are 
normally separate files. 

Individual device drivers are downloadable from the
OS/2 Device Driver Pak website
URL http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/
These are drivers for new devices that are not included
with the base OS, such as USB devices, network cards,
printer drivers, sound cards etc.

Sometines locating the correct FP to solve your
problems can be quite daunting. But the separate
FP method allows you to apply updates to the 
piece of the OS that is broken, usually without
breaking something else :-)

A good site for an overview of the OS/2 updates
available is
URL http://www.warpupdates.de/

I have heard some people day (post) that FP 9
is the most stable and others advocate FP 12
(the current latest). Usually people report
problems with all FP levels, the mix of hardware
and software installed on the machine usually
determines if the FP works.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               05-Dec-99 02:06:09
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: letoured@nospam.net

jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) said:


Assembling a computer without buying wincrap is one thing. Buying a
teir-one machine -- which most business in the US buy is impossible
without paying for wincrap.   That you rant without knowing this, makes
you a teir-one moron.




>>>>Bob Germer
>>>>Try buying an Intel based computer without paying
>>>>for Windows.

>>>Jeff Glatt
>>> I do it all of the time. But that's because I'm clearly MUCH more
>>> competent than a phony like you who lies about his alleged experience
>>> in setting up and maintaining computers

>>Joe Malloy
>>Gads, this Germer fellow's a real bore.  How can someone claims to be a
>>"computer professional" and yet be stuck with buying Windows each and every
>>time he assembles a computer?  Inquiring minds want to know!  I, too, got my
>>last two machines with no OS installed, but I guess I'm even smarter than
>>Germer himself...

>According to his "testimony", his alleged "clients" (he doesn't really
>have any -- what he claims to have done are things that he read about
>someone else doing via computer magazines or web sites -- but let's
>pretend otherwise for a moment just to analyze just how illogical,
>implausible, and just plain dumb are his contrived anecdotes) don't trust
>him to supply hardware because he's a local guy who doesn't have millions
>of dollars in capital. So, they demand that hardware be purchased from
>non-local companies like IBM or Compaq so that professional,
>uninterrupted "service can be guaranteed years down the road". And yet,
>these same "clients" have eschewed the professional services of companies
>like IBM (whose specialty actually is what Germer claims to be doing) in
>installing and maintaining these computers. Instead, they have hired a
>60-something year old local guy to adminster millions of dollars worth of
>equipment for which they require guarantees of service years down the
>road.

>Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Suuuuuuuuuure. We believe that.
_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: josco@sea.monterey.edu                            05-Dec-99 18:04:08
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: josco <josco@sea.monterey.edu>

On 6 Dec 1999, Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> Who do you know who was forced to buy a copy of Windows?

By using your definitions - no one was forced to buy windows. 

Of course you're not the one defining the anti-trust laws so your
definitions are garbage. 

So a dog can chase after his tail and get further than you with your
insistance on defining the problem in a way that makes your interpretation
of law and common sense neither common nor sensible. 


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From: letoured@nospam.net                               05-Dec-99 20:59:11
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

>> 
>> >> > That's not coercive.  It's a package deal.  Microsoft can't force
>> >> > computer distributors to put Windows on their machines; but they _can_
>> >> > say that "if you sell a computer with windows, we'll give you a
massive
>> >> > discount on it".
>> >> 
>> >> Which is a direct violation of U. S. Fair Trade Laws
>> >Precisely the point.
>> 
>> Are you in Special Ed? The issue is not the discount. The issue is that no
>> one gets the discount if they sell anything but Windoze.

>So in other words, a company isn't allowed to give a discount for
>behaviour that they like?

In the US -- No when the purpose of the discount is to take control of a
market. Of course I don't expect you understand that because it requires
reason.


>Most discounts come with a condition.  So did MS's.  And you cry and
>scream about it.

Yea, and they violate their license agreement that states I can refund. Of
course you have no comment on that.

So why are trolling here -- you are not ever going to make an argument
that anyone [except other MS Munchkins] agrees with. 

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca                06-Dec-99 02:33:13
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca (Jack Troughton)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:17:47, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

Doug. Lorne, et all...

Outstanding.  Thanks for the help and info.  The fixpack / device driver fix
packs split
more or lesss clears that one up.  (I was wondering about the "dd" fixes... )

Doug:  What exactly (if ~exactly~ can be defined...) will be "the problem"
with respect to
OS/2?  Are there known issues with it that are going to be more effectual (in 
a negative
manner) on an OS/2 platformed box than on an MS based one (any variant of 9x
- NT)?  Known
issues in a ~positive~ manner?

The only problem warp has is a dearth of commercial support.  OTOH, 
there is a pile of excellent freeware available for it.  I'd highly 
recommend you go to hobbes and search on emxrt.zip.  This is the EMX 
runtime.  It's part of the EMX development system, which permits the 
easy porting of unix console apps to warp.  There is an XFree86 server
available as well; all can be found on Hobbes:)

I'm planning on installing the Star Office app suite on the box tommorow, and 
then I would
like to look into a backup solution as well as the box has an adaptec scsi
host controller
on it (its a compaq deskpro 6000).  I have access to an external HP 4mm dat
drive that I
would like to put back into service - I'm tentativly looking at something
called "Back
Again/2000" - should I just leave the box @FP5 if everything works, or should 
I take it up
to what appears to be a stable FP9 and then be done with it?  Also (now that
I think about
it), should I install my apps/ util / etc... s/w ~first~ and then apply FP9,
or doesn't it
matter?  It's a general rule of thumb in the NT world that if you install s/w 
~after~
having installed a service pack or hotfix, to reload said SP or hot fix
afterwards (in case
any files got stomped...).

If you're familiar with unix programs, you might find that gtar and 
gtak can be a great solution when using a scsi-hosted tape drive.  
They will require emx; but that's no big deal, I've been using emx for
years with almost no problems.

You don't have to worry about apps stomping on system files in warp; 
there is a sane seperation between the system and the applications.  
In fact, if you hose the system, and if you keep all your apps on a 
seperate partition, you will be able to get probably ~95% of them 
going again without reinstalling; for ~85% of apps, simply creating a 
new program object on the desktop is enough.  For picky windows ports 
like netscape, you'll usually have to futz two or three files on the 
system partition (netscape.ini, found in the \os2\mdos\winos2, comes 
to mind; you need it if you want win3.x plugins to work properly under
netscape in warp) and some path information.  I have apps that I 
installed on this computer three years ago that have never needed to 
be reinstalled; and not just simple ones either.  For example, you can
get staroffice going after a system reinstall by creating a new 
program object.  Again, it might work more to your liking if you do 
some playing with the path and libpath, but it will work if you simply
drag soffice.exe to the desktop to create a program object.

Last but not least - I would lke to be able to get it to talk co-operatively
with the NT
based network that I have @work - this appears to be some form of real devil
worship black
magic.  I have bookmarked some good looking resources to assist me with
this...  I'm
keeping my fingers crossed.  The box isn't half bad now as it is - I am
getting name
resolution when it comes to pinging machines in the domain, and I can even
get out onto the
internet through the proxy server which is located across the wan (  :)  ) -
I don't know
if I will be able to use any printers or map any drives on the NT boxes
though (I haven't
tried yet).  For what its worth - the PC is running as an "Easy Install"
mode, (vs. the
"Advanced Install").  I know of the following resources for doing this:

Colin's how to connect OS/2 PCs to NT domains page:
http://www.haynes97.freeserve.co.uk/os2tont.htm

RokNroB's Electrons
http://www.flash.net/~roknrob/sea.htm

Setting Up OS/2 Peer-to-Peer Networking & Coexistence of Warp & NT Machines
on the MITNet
http://www.mit.edu/activities/os2/peer/WARPPEER.HTM

.... do you folks know of other resources for reference?  I ~should~ be able
to do this with
what I have @present, shouldn't I?

Yes, in fact, I have it set up at work.  It's not as hard as it 
appears.  The important thing that will save you many headaches is to 
script peer in startup.cmd.  If a file called startup.cmd is found in 
the root directory of the boot drive, it will be run before the 
desktop starts.  I use it on the box at work to run a bunch of "net 
use" commands to hook up to the printer and the shared drives that I 
need at work.  Here's an example...

net use \\server\sharename j:

to map to drive j.

Check out the net commands in the OS/2 Warp command reference!

Also, I'd like to point out that the way that networking is set up in 
warp means that you can configure the box to just boot to a command 
line and still have full networking services available to you; this is
a great aid in making a server stable for the really long term.

Welcome to warp, enjoy the trip!

<snip some good stuff>

Ease!

Jack Troughton   ICQ:7494149
http://jakesplace.dhs.org
jack.troughton at videotron.ca
jake at jakesplace.dhs.org
Montral PQ Canada

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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            05-Dec-99 20:12:13
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

josco wrote:

> By using your definitions - no one was forced to buy windows.

Lars' definitions are the only logical definitions of the situation.  No
monopoly can possibly exist without the express consent, assistance, and
santion of the government.

When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.

Competition in the OS market exists.  Microsoft isn't a monopoly.  Just
because Microsoft chooses to put conditions on their distribution agreements
doesn't make them a monopoly.

In the Canadian automation market, for example, Allen Bradley has an
exclusivity arrangement with Westburne.  Westburne is not allowed to sell
anybody else's PLC technology.  They have a contract.

Now, conversely, Allen Bradley can't approach any other distributors,
because that is also in the contract; however let's assume that the
reciprocity of that was not in the contract.  Theoretically, A-B could sign
up hundreds, if not thousands of distributors, each ONLY permitted to sell
A-B.

Everything A-B has done is legal; all parties have entered into the
contracts knowingly and willingly, and competition in the automation market
still exists: you can still buy a Siemens, or GE PLC if you wish; because
the manufacturers still would sell the equipment.

> Of course you're not the one defining the anti-trust laws so your
> definitions are garbage.

Ever consider that the anti-trust laws are garbage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net                 06-Dec-99 01:40:13
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: "Dave" <Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net>

On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:00:15 -0500, nemo@union.edu wrote:
>I get:
>
>"SYS0020: The system cannot find the device specified."
>
>I have LOCKCDR.FLT remmed out. I'll try your suggestion later when I
>reboot.
>
>I'm suspecting there's some bug about running the cdrw as the only
>cd-player.

No.  I got a new case and didn't move the Mitsumi CD player over right away. 
I had no CD icon in the Drives folder, until I attached a drive. (thats still
the situation,)  But after adding the Mitsumi CD-ROM back in it didn't make a
diff.  Worked both ways.


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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             05-Dec-99 17:17:21
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: Further Bootmanager Questions?

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

heloman@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> I have 2 physical drives. OS/2 is currently on one
> and the "other" operating system will go on the
> other. When I went to 'fdisk' the other hard drive
> (to eliminate previous partitions/data) I told it to
> install Bootmanager. When I started win98 install it
> proceeded to delete it by formating the disk. 

Formatting the disk shouldn't delete boot manager since the boot manager
is on a different partition of its own.  The Windows install does
disable boot manager by making the partition that Windows goes on a
"startable" partitition rather "bootable."  When your windows install is
finished, you can re-enable the boot manager by using fdisk and making
the boot manager "startable" which will make the other partition
"bootable" from boot manager.

>Am I to
> leave an area at the end of the disk (via fdisk) to
> come back after win98 install with os/2 fdisk and
> install bootmanager? Since the hard drive that os/2
> resides on is marked bootable/startable can I assume
> this attribute must be removed? (AS I had problems I
> disconnected the data cable to isolate each drive but
> I want to get it right for the future!). Can anyone
> give me a step by step (checked the book not to
> useful) procedure to utilize bootmanager and keep
> win98 on 1 physical drive and the currently installed
> os/2 on the other and yet have both get along? Sorry
> for the long post but don't want to blow all of what
> I currently have (did make backups....) Thanks in
> advance for any help......
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: 1979j@usa.net                                     06-Dec-99 01:28:02
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: I really need you help! Please!

From: Jugulator <1979j@usa.net>

Hello all,

I am preparing an exam based on operating systems at my college. Nobody
here knows the importance of OS/2 in the history of Personal Computers.
I would like to quote largely OS/2 in my research but I miss maybe the
most
important version, the first ever with Presentation Manager and the
first operating system with a GUI for intel platforms : OS/2 1.1 . I
would like to run it on my PS/2 50, take some screenshots and doing an
original article. Can someone help me? Does anybody here has OS/2 1.1?
If so, please tell me, I really need it and I want my teacher to know
the importance of OS/2.

Thanks in advance, my apologises for this off-topic.
Jugulator

P.S. I am not interested in other 1.x versions, since I am not a
collector. Please, answer me if you have OS/2 1.1 . Thank you very much
again.





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From: ktkelvin@yahoo.com                                06-Dec-99 09:35:29
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: "Kelvin Tsang" <ktkelvin@yahoo.com>

Why ?  The JetAdmin for OS/2 is comes with the JetDirect.
Or you may find it easily at HP's homepage :
http://www.hp.com/cposupport/prodhome/hpjetadmin1877.html
Kelvin



Mark Mellin g峹 ...
>Any ideas on how to connect/configure Warp4 as the print server on
>a HP LaserJet4 using HP's JetDirect card across a 10-BaseT peer
>network with TCP/IP ??
>
>I couldn't & didn't find any JetDirect software for OS/2 on HP's
>or IBM's driver site(s).
>
>My telenet'd config for the Jetdirect card is as follows:
>
>===JetDirect Telnet Configuration===
>
>        Configured Parameters
>        IP Address      : 192.168.1.5
>        Subnet Mask     : 255.255.255.0
>        Default Gateway : 192.168.1.5
>        Syslog Server   : 192.168.1.1
>        Idle Timeout    : 90 Seconds
>
>
>Everything seems to be connected and working properly...
>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>Mark
>


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From: letoured@nospam.net                               05-Dec-99 20:32:23
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

 larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

>> >Huh?  When did Microsoft get all distributors to, against their will,
>> >supply MS OSes with all systemms?
>> 
>> This is one of the things the US DOJ actions are all about.
>Yes, but the DOJ actions never answered the question, either.

The DOJ action is NOT COMPLETE. You do understand that don't you???? 

Microsoft signed contracts.  That's about it.  They never sent a private
>army anywhere.

In violation of US law! Are you capable of understand that or are you
retarded??

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     05-Dec-99 20:11:13
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


"Steven C. Britton" wrote:

> josco wrote:
>
> > By using your definitions - no one was forced to buy windows.
>
> Lars' definitions are the only logical definitions of the situation.  No
> monopoly can possibly exist without the express consent, assistance, and
> santion of the government.
>
> When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.

That definition of monopoly is incorrect.

> Competition in the OS market exists.  Microsoft isn't a monopoly.  Just
> because Microsoft chooses to put conditions on their distribution agreements
> doesn't make them a monopoly.

That too is incorrect.
Both of you choose to define words to suite your interpretation.

It is an uncontested fact that MS does not have 100% of the PC OS market as
the
government defines the market.  The case should be thrown out but was not.  
If
MS had you two as lawyers they'd be able to dismiss the case with a summary
judgement and no testimony since MS has less than 100% of the market the
Government has defined.  No monopoly. no case.

Now maybe we and MS's lawyers and the Judge are all just too stupid to
understand the true definition of the word monopoly.  That's one possibility
since you choose to argue your point.  Another suggestion is that you two are
defining monopoly and arguing based on your irrelevant interpretation of the
word monopoly.  Irrelevant in that the meaning you give has NO bearing on the
case and the trial. NONE.  What has happened and how MS has behaved as a
defendant contradicts your definition and logic.  You two cannot even explain
why MS did not use your definition in their defense.

I have to ask, "What's it like to have such little impact and importance?  You
have such a weak understanding since an application of your argument fails to
match with observed  facts? "  Frustrating as I can see it in your posts.  Try
using all caps letters in your reply.







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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  06-Dec-99 03:37:15
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Software Choice

From: The AntiGates <zeppelin@gte.net>

I am a SC member, and being so pretty much represents the only IBM
"sponsored" future for OS/2, I heartily recommend it.  In addition to
getting every update to Netscape and Java in 59 different languages, you
get a second CD with every distribution with such goodies as  TCP-IP 4.1
which is only available on a fee pay basis otherwise.

Plus whenever IBM pulls another "groanhead" maneuver with OS/2, youget
to complain directly to IBM, and unlike the rest of the world, they will
respond directly to you as a "premium service" subscribor.

It doesn't mean squat in terms of influencing their decisions, cause no
one with any intelligence can do that, but it is a small consolation to
know that the particular lie in you e-mail box has been personally
crafted just for you,.

Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> 
> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > John Brock wrote:
> >
> > > In article <38466B94.389536E1@canoemail.com>,
> > > James Stotz  <jstotz@canoemail.com> wrote:
> > > >I know that Software Choice will become a pay for use for all new
> > > >updates and applications, but is IBM going to keep current versions of
> > > >Netscape/2 and Java avaliable for free.  If not, new OS/2 buyers will
> > > >not be able to get any Netscape without forking out more money.  Also,
> > > >We'd all better download everything and save it in a safe place.
> 
> Software choice has always been for complete packages and not fixes (or
> fixes which in effect upgrade a package to a newer version).  Fixes are
> free if you can find them,  However, if a fix results in a newer version
> then you cannot buy the new version unless you are part of software
> choice.  Examples, newer version of tcpip for warp server, PSNS for warp
> server and so on.
> 
> I am not sure they can get away with charging either for Java or
> Netscape, remains to be seen.
> 
> From a business point of view it does make sence for IBM to know what is
> the subscription rate as the income generated may indicate interest in
> os/2.  From this end, I have to buy licences for my OS/2 server(s), it
> would make business sence for us too.  However, buying licences for
> clients can be an expensive recurrent cost (I guess financial
> institutions can be happy to pay it and may even negotiate better
> prices).
> 
> Charles
> 
> --
> Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
> Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
> Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
> http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
> Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
> too)

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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  06-Dec-99 03:37:25
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Software Choice

From: The AntiGates <zeppelin@gte.net>

I am a SC member, and being so pretty much represents the only IBM
"sponsored" future for OS/2, I heartily recommend it.  In addition to
getting every update to Netscape and Java in 59 different languages, you
get a second CD with every distribution with such goodies as  TCP-IP 4.1
which is only available on a fee pay basis otherwise.

Plus whenever IBM pulls another "groanhead" maneuver with OS/2, youget
to complain directly to IBM, and unlike the rest of the world, they will
respond directly to you as a "premium service" subscribor.

It doesn't mean squat in terms of influencing their decisions, cause no
one with any intelligence can do that, but it is a small consolation to
know that the particular lie in you e-mail box has been personally
crafted just for you,.

Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> 
> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > John Brock wrote:
> >
> > > In article <38466B94.389536E1@canoemail.com>,
> > > James Stotz  <jstotz@canoemail.com> wrote:
> > > >I know that Software Choice will become a pay for use for all new
> > > >updates and applications, but is IBM going to keep current versions of
> > > >Netscape/2 and Java avaliable for free.  If not, new OS/2 buyers will
> > > >not be able to get any Netscape without forking out more money.  Also,
> > > >We'd all better download everything and save it in a safe place.
> 
> Software choice has always been for complete packages and not fixes (or
> fixes which in effect upgrade a package to a newer version).  Fixes are
> free if you can find them,  However, if a fix results in a newer version
> then you cannot buy the new version unless you are part of software
> choice.  Examples, newer version of tcpip for warp server, PSNS for warp
> server and so on.
> 
> I am not sure they can get away with charging either for Java or
> Netscape, remains to be seen.
> 
> From a business point of view it does make sence for IBM to know what is
> the subscription rate as the income generated may indicate interest in
> os/2.  From this end, I have to buy licences for my OS/2 server(s), it
> would make business sence for us too.  However, buying licences for
> clients can be an expensive recurrent cost (I guess financial
> institutions can be happy to pay it and may even negotiate better
> prices).
> 
> Charles
> 
> --
> Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
> Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
> Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
> http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
> Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
> too)

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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  06-Dec-99 03:38:05
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Software Choice

From: The AntiGates <zeppelin@gte.net>

I am a SC member, and being so pretty much represents the only IBM
"sponsored" future for OS/2, I heartily recommend it.  In addition to
getting every update to Netscape and Java in 59 different languages, you
get a second CD with every distribution with such goodies as  TCP-IP 4.1
which is only available on a fee pay basis otherwise.

Plus whenever IBM pulls another "groanhead" maneuver with OS/2, youget
to complain directly to IBM, and unlike the rest of the world, they will
respond directly to you as a "premium service" subscribor.

It doesn't mean squat in terms of influencing their decisions, cause no
one with any intelligence can do that, but it is a small consolation to
know that the particular lie in you e-mail box has been personally
crafted just for you,.

Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> 
> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > John Brock wrote:
> >
> > > In article <38466B94.389536E1@canoemail.com>,
> > > James Stotz  <jstotz@canoemail.com> wrote:
> > > >I know that Software Choice will become a pay for use for all new
> > > >updates and applications, but is IBM going to keep current versions of
> > > >Netscape/2 and Java avaliable for free.  If not, new OS/2 buyers will
> > > >not be able to get any Netscape without forking out more money.  Also,
> > > >We'd all better download everything and save it in a safe place.
> 
> Software choice has always been for complete packages and not fixes (or
> fixes which in effect upgrade a package to a newer version).  Fixes are
> free if you can find them,  However, if a fix results in a newer version
> then you cannot buy the new version unless you are part of software
> choice.  Examples, newer version of tcpip for warp server, PSNS for warp
> server and so on.
> 
> I am not sure they can get away with charging either for Java or
> Netscape, remains to be seen.
> 
> From a business point of view it does make sence for IBM to know what is
> the subscription rate as the income generated may indicate interest in
> os/2.  From this end, I have to buy licences for my OS/2 server(s), it
> would make business sence for us too.  However, buying licences for
> clients can be an expensive recurrent cost (I guess financial
> institutions can be happy to pay it and may even negotiate better
> prices).
> 
> Charles
> 
> --
> Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
> Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
> Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
> http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
> Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
> too)

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          06-Dec-99 03:44:14
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Internet and Warp 3

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:07:19, "Marco Faccini" <Marco.Faccini@tesco.net> 
wrote:

:Can someone please help me?
:I am a new user to OS2 with very limited experiance, I have installed Warp 3
:from disk and ported most of my win 3.1 programs into it. What I now want is
:to use Warp 3 for my internet connection. I have read plenty on the net from
:people who explain how this is done but, I am affraid I do not have the
:knowlage on how to configure such a thing.
:I do have the bonus pack but have found that the IBM " dial other provider
:"
:option only allows connection to a SLIP account (mine is ppp) and asks
:questions about dns numbers but does not accept  0's. If anybody could give
:a fool proof step by step account on how to set up such a thing I would be
:greatful.

 You need ftp://ftp.ibm.net/pub/PPP/PPP.ZIP. README.PPP in the same 
directory tells how to install it, so you'll probably want that file as 
well. If you need an unzip program, get unzip532.exe from 
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu

:PS If anyone can recommend any web reading on OS2
:Warp 3 I would be greatful.

 http://www.os2ss.com, and http://www.os2ezine.com

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          06-Dec-99 03:46:26
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Further Bootmanager Questions?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:35:47, heloman@my-deja.com wrote:

:I have 2 physical drives. OS/2 is currently on one
:and the "other" operating system will go on the
:other. When I went to 'fdisk' the other hard drive
:(to eliminate previous partitions/data) I told it to
:install Bootmanager. When I started win98 install it
:proceeded to delete it by formating the disk.

 AFAIK, Win* will disable Boot Manager (which you can easily re-enable 
with Win*'s or OS/2's fdisk), but shouldn't touch the BM partition.


-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                05-Dec-99 21:37:14
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Bye Bye FP12

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

All,

After weeks of attempting to deal with the worst FP of Warp ever released
I have finally kissed it off.  Not exactly the kiss off I wished though
since IBM has thoughtfully removed the RSU for English FP9 (second
release), the last known working version of the Warp fixpaks.

The bugs in FP12 are too numerous and frustrating to name here.  I have
long ago tired of filling out bug reports with IBM that just get round
filed as major issues never get fixed.  Not having a sound card under OS/2
anymore was a real pisser, but still not being able to boot from the
LS-120 was highly offensive.  Almost as offensive as the comment from a
developer here which basically said "I had machines here at the office it
wouldn't boot on, but released the code anyway."  This developer should
have a long and wonderfull career at either Stardock or CDS where the
shrink wrap goes on before the quality goes in.

FP12's final nail in the coffin is a wonderfull bug.  Leave either the
latest Netscape or pretty much any version of MR/2 Ice up.  Let the IBM
dark screen saver kick in for a while.  When you return you will notice
that your screen interaction has slowed way down.  Background tasks (like
FTP's and such) seem to run just fine, but anything writing to the screen
runs like molases up a hill in winter.  The farther up the hill it gets
the slower it goes.  Eventually you end up having to hard boot even AFTER
you have managed to shoot all applications.  Standard shut down simply
won't work.  About the third time this situation happens you won't reboot. 
PMWP.DLL will be gone.

As a software developer for many years on several different platforms I am
aghast something like this got shipped.  It is _inconceivable_ that a
dynamic link runtime module would have its file opened in Write/Modify
(w,d) mode.  The file should _never_ be opened in a mode other than
Read/Execute (r,e) no matter what the OS is, when doing a run time bind. 
Replacing the file with an older version from FP8 backup directory curred
the problem.  This gives mild comfort in knowing they didn't bugger the
disk cache beyond recognition, flushing dynamic link files (corrupted by
bugs in the module) back to disk...or did they?  Since the older module
doesn't have the bugs I wouldn't know if it was getting flushed to disk. 
If you are reading IBM developers I certainly hope your cache has at least
two distinct regions.  1) write/flushable  2) read-only, nonflushed.  Upon
shutdown, the contents of this second cache are simply discarded.  All
dynamic links should be read into this second region.

The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get on-line. 
Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.

Personally I don't think you could have killed Warp more if you officially
announced the product was dropped.

Roland

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net              To Respond delete
".illegaltospam"
                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
                            For a Microsoft free univers
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From: mikelrob@flash.net                                06-Dec-99 04:10:18
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Lexmark Printer & PMV8005?

From: mikelrob@flash.net (Michael Robertson)

	I'm getting this error message when I try to print to my Lx5700.  I 
have the bidirectional port driver installed and it worked fine with 
my previous system.  The printer works great in Win95 so it is 
functional.  Anyone else seen this?  Or know what it means?  "Help 
PMV8005" just tells me there is no message file for PMV.

	Michael Robertson

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             05-Dec-99 20:12:10
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Small Fonts for WIN-OS2

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

Chris Theron wrote:
> 
> I use a S3 Trio 3D video card. Installing  its driver  adds a new object
> "S3 Windows Font Size" to the System Setup Folder. This allows one to
> choose between "large" or "small" fonts for Win/OS2  sessions.
> I particularly like the small fonts because in some of my Win-OS2
> apps it paints the whole Windows window in the Win-OS2 window,
> whereas with the "large fonts I have to keep on scrolling left/right
> and up/down. Unfortunately there are other 'not so nice' things in
> this driver's behaviour.
> 
> I have looked at the IBM GRADD080 driver, and like it a lot, but I
> cannot get the "small" fonts like in the S3 driver, although I
> suspect that it ought to be possible.

The GRADD drivers are pretty sound but they will probably be a little
slower than the S3 driver.  I don't have a machine around right now with
the GRADD drivers on it but I *think* there was a similar thing
somewhere for the small Win-OS2 fonts.  Every driver does this a little
differently.  For example, on the Matrox drivers there's a Matrox object
that you right click on to bring up a "settings" book a la Warp 3.  One
of the pages in the notebook has options for small fonts.  I think the
GRADD driver does something similar.  Right click on the video "system"
object and see what's there.  Or look for another new object...

> 
> I have looked at the WIN.INI files in the two scenarios, and in the
> S3 case  there are two entries:
> 
>   Small Fonts (VGA res)=smalle.fon
>   Small Fonts (8514/a res)=smallf.fon
> 
> The second of these two is not present in the IBM GRADD080 version.
> I have tried to add it, but it still does not give me the small
> fonts.
> 
> I would really appreciate it if someone can show/tell me EXACTLY
> what to add or change in ALL the files that need to be changed
> to give me the desired effect.
> 
> BTW, I have also looked at the latest (B11) beta of Schitec's
> Display doctor, but there are similar problems to what I
> experience with the S3 Driver
> 
> Chris Theron
> Durbanville
> South Africa

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From: larso@commodore.                                  06-Dec-99 04:28:15
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw letoured@nospam.net write:
>  larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> >> >Huh?  When did Microsoft get all distributors to, against their will,
> >> >supply MS OSes with all systemms?
> >> 
> >> This is one of the things the US DOJ actions are all about.
> >Yes, but the DOJ actions never answered the question, either.
> 
> The DOJ action is NOT COMPLETE.

Where in the finding of fact does it justify these claims?

You do understand that don't you???? 
> 
> >Microsoft signed contracts.  That's about it.  They never sent a private
> >army anywhere.
> 
> In violation of US law! Are you capable of understand that or are you
> retarded??

Signing a contract is in violation of US law.  Think about that.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              06-Dec-99 06:01:27
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Kelvin Tsang wrote:
> 
> Why ?  The JetAdmin for OS/2 is comes with the JetDirect.
> Or you may find it easily at HP's homepage :
> http://www.hp.com/cposupport/prodhome/hpjetadmin1877.html

  Yes. The filename is JA105EN.EXE. Seems to be a good release; it
solved the "duplicate print of the first job" problem I had with it, and
generally seems to run faster.
  The installation is crude. Follow the the README instructiosn
slavishly and you'll do OK.

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: aljohnson@centuryinter.net                        06-Dec-99 07:10:03
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:23
Subj: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: aljohnson@centuryinter.net

What is the minimal and optimal amounts of memory required to run the various 
flavors of OS/2 from 2.11, 3, 4 and beyond.  Please email me and let me know.  

Hoping that I might be able to run on a machine I have.

Allen

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From: cwr@cts.com                                       06-Dec-99 07:30:01
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:24
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

[headers trimmed]

In comp.os.os2.apps Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> wrote:
: Doug. Lorne, et all...

: Outstanding.  Thanks for the help and info.  The fixpack / device driver fix 
packs split
: more or lesss clears that one up.  (I was wondering about the "dd" fixes...
)

: Doug:  What exactly (if ~exactly~ can be defined...) will be "the problem"
with respect to
: OS/2?  Are there known issues with it that are going to be more effectual
(in a negative
: manner) on an OS/2 platformed box than on an MS based one (any variant of 9x 
- NT)?  Known
: issues in a ~positive~ manner?

OS/2 is pretty mature and solid - however, it lacks device drivers for
modern and peculiar equipment (IBM still produces upgrades for common
stuff) and IBM really dislikes home OS/2 users.  (They aren't too keen
on commercial OS/2 users, either).  This lends a certain spice ...

Hobbes is major OS/2 resource; get the Hobbes CDROM(s) from Walnut 
Creek, tho' that is (AFAIK) a slightly different set of files to
the currrent Hobbes.  Anyway, the current version is essential.

The weak heel of OS/2, so far as there is one, is its .ini files.
On FAT they are a real pain; run HPFS file systems, with a small
C: partition for any MS stuff that _must_ be on FAT.  However,
they still need cleaning out from time to time, and there are
several freeware utilities that will do this.  I use the commercial
Unimaint, which is clunky but worth the money.

The other thing that needs maintenance/archiving is the desktop. If
that gets blown away, it's a pain to restore.  Again, I use Unimaint
for this; DeskMan/2 is better, but desktops are all it does.  There's
probably freeware stuff as well.

A process-killer like Process Commander used to be essential, and is
still nice to have; PC won't run out of the box on Warp 4 FP 12, but
you can get it to run - there are also a lot of freeware process
killers around.

Finally, there are several backup solutions.  I use BA/2 Pro with a 4G
T4 (on an all-SCSI machine) and like it, tho' its catalog handling could
be improved.

Note that OS/2 will handle Windows stuff pretty well, _execept_ for the
most recent Win32; MS managed to break Win-OS2 after several attempts,
and IBM haven't tried to fix it.

As far as Fixpacks are concerned, I ran Warp 3.0 FP 22 until a month
or two ago when I upgraded to FP 40: the machine did all I wanted it
to.  OS/2 3.0 and 4.0 are pretty stable after the first few fixpacks.
(Note that fixpack numbers jump - 5 to 9 to 17 to 22, as I recall,
for 3.0.  The "missing" fixpacks are IBM internal release only).

You _must_ check the .de site (named elsewhere in this thread, and I
can't find my reference) for Fixpack applicability outside the base
OS.   Finding the relevant fixpack is otherwise a nightmare.

Oh, and for OS/2 software, check Indelible Blue first.


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com

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From: nemo@union.edu                                    06-Dec-99 02:43:20
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:24
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: nemo@union.edu

In <zhqfunexjbeyqargnggarg.fmapzy0.pminews@news.optonline.net>, on
12/06/99 
   at 01:40 AM, "Dave" <Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net> said:


>>I'm suspecting there's some bug about running the cdrw as the only
>>cd-player.

>No.  I got a new case and didn't move the Mitsumi CD player over right
>away.  I had no CD icon in the Drives folder, until I attached a drive.
>(thats still the situation,)  But after adding the Mitsumi CD-ROM back in
>it didn't make a diff.  Worked both ways.

This is good to know. As far as the icon behavior goes, I see the same
phenomenon. 

Still suffering from the problem of not being able to write to cd. 

F.

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      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           06-Dec-99 07:51:15
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:24
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:10:06, aljohnson@centuryinter.net wrote:

> What is the minimal and optimal amounts of memory required to run the
various 
> flavors of OS/2 from 2.11, 3, 4 and beyond.  Please email me and let me
know.  
> Hoping that I might be able to run on a machine I have.
> 

OS/2 2.11 4 to 16 Mbyte
OS/2 3 8 to 16 Mbyte
OS/2 3 Connect 8 to 32 Mbyte (networking needs RAM)
OS/2 4 16 to 64 Mbyte
OS/2 4.5 (WSeB) 64 to 128 Mbyte

All OS/2 versions perform better with more RAM
Warp 3 and 4 do best with 64 Mbyte 
Warp 3 Connect using TCP/IP will beat itself to death with 8 Mbyte

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  06-Dec-99 08:58:02
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:24
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <828tbd$gbi$3@burn.ab.videon.ca>,
  larso@ualberta.ca wrote:
> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
> >    Bob Davies <mktorg@hotmail.com> said:
> >
> > > Only NOW can you buy a computer without an MS DOS or Windows
licence -
> > > but it took thousands of protests and government action. If I
recall
> > > correctly the action was taken under the RESTRAINT of TRADE laws.
> >
> > Not from Gateway or Dell. I just called both of them trying to buy a
> > system without Windows. Other than multiple (more than 20 machines)
or
> > very high end servers, you must buy either Win98 (most models) or NT
4.
>
> If you have a problem with how a company does business, don't support
them.
> If you can't find a company you want to support, then you just don't
support
> any.  They don't have to change to suit your needs.  If the consumer
base
> you represent isn't worth the company's time, and happens to be not
worth
> any company's time, that's just the way of things.
>

The point you make in many of your statements (and here) is finally: As
long as there are other OS'ses than Windows in the world legally sold
there cannot be a monopoly, even if the reality is that you will either
have no choice of hardware any more (because of contracts binding most
vendors) or have to pay for unneeded Windows licences before you can
format your HD (which makes every competing product automatically more
expensive than Windows, and even more: MS gets the extra money!).

This is all possible because the laws in most countries protect MS and
its licenses more than the single user or the small software vendors;
if they wouldn't, you could simply copy any MS software without having
to pay anything and all the discussion would be a non-issue. But then:
Is there any reason why the laws should only protect big businesses and
not also single users and vendors?

You say: If your _really_ want to buy a computer without Windows you
just have to pay the price for it, no matter how much it is! With the
same logic I could recommend you to just move to a country where
virtually no government exists, since that is what you are asking for
all the time; a good example could be Somalia, but others exist as well.
After a while you could report us then how free you are feeling there?!

For me it's ok if the laws also protect big businesses as long as there
are also laws protecting the consumer; if I cannot achieve 100% complete
freedom in the world, this is at least the best I can get!

Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>



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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          06-Dec-99 02:15:05
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:23
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>letoured@nospam.net
>Assembling a computer without buying wincrap is one thing. Buying a
>teir-one machine -- which most business in the US buy is impossible
>without paying for wincrap.

This is, of course, not true.

Obviously, you know nothing about the computer marketplace. The fact
that you're unable to do something that many others routinely do
demonstrates your incompetence and ignorance.

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  06-Dec-99 09:20:20
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <3847fb91_3@news.cadvision.com>,
  "Steven C. Britton" <scb@scb-group.com> wrote:
[...]
>
> Totalitarian is leftist.  Rightist is the opposite of totalitarian.
>

So only Stalin, but not Adolf Hitler was a totalitarian?????

Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>


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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  06-Dec-99 09:10:16
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <828thk$gbi$4@burn.ab.videon.ca>,
  larso@ualberta.ca wrote:
> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw cbzh@my-deja.com write:
> >   "Steven C. Britton" <scb@scb-group.com> wrote:
>
> > > If a customer buys a computer without Windows, the store isn't
buying
> > > Windows from Microsoft for that particular machine, so it becomes
a
> > > non-issue.
> > >
> > > If the customer wants to buy Windows as an add-on later, then they
pay 4
> > > times as much as they would have paid if they'd bought Windows
with the
> > > machine.
> > >
> > > That is _not_ a monopoly, nor is it a "monopolistic" practise.
> >
> > If what you said was actually true, you would be right, but it isn't
>
> You are correct, it isn't true.  The action Steve described is illegal
under
> U.S. law.  How dare Microsoft give a discount.
>
> >
In
> > many cases the vendor has to pay Windows licenses per processor, not
per
> > actually sold copy of Windows
>
> Well, then I guess that's what their agreement says.
>
> > And now tell me please why the vendors have signed such an
unfavorable
> > contract???
>
> If it was unfavourable, they wouldn't have signed it (unless they are
> stupid, in which case you may wish to avoid them).  Clearly, to them,
the
> agreement had some value.

They are as "stupid" as the little shop owner in Moscow who pays the
criminals who ask him to do so "for his protection": Not to pay would be
more expensive than doing so, no matter if it is legal or not!

So the vendors of course do not voluntarily sign an unfavourable
contract, but they choose the less unfavourable in favour of an even
worse one!

The only difference is that in the first example the shop-owner must
immediately fear for his life, while in the second he has to fear for
his living!

Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>




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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           06-Dec-99 06:29:02
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <82euuu$fqg$3@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/06/99 at 12:11 AM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> So in other words, a company isn't allowed to give a discount for
> behaviour that they like?

In the United States, that is the case if the discount amounts to a
restraint of trade which is what the DOJ alleged and the Judge found to be
fact.  --
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           06-Dec-99 06:32:04
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384b29c1_4@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/05/99 at 08:12 PM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

> > Of course you're not the one defining the anti-trust laws so your
> > definitions are garbage.

> Ever consider that the anti-trust laws are garbage?

Since you are a Canuck, your opinoin is worth less than garbage.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           06-Dec-99 06:56:20
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <82euuu$fqg$3@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/06/99 at 12:11 AM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:


> Most discounts come with a condition.  So did MS's.  And you cry and
> scream about it.

But those conditions violate US law. And rather than scream like helpless
little babies, we urged, begged, cajoled, etc. our DOJ and our state
Attorney's General to do something about it which thankfully they have
done.

As far as you are concerned, you aren't in the US. You have no standing.
Soon you are likely to find yourself in the same condition vis a vis the
University of Alberta.

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From: tgalley@pironet.com                               06-Dec-99 13:39:13
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Thomas Galley <tgalley@pironet.com>


Bob Germer wrote:
> 
> Valued product? Not to me it is not. It is a piece of garbage I do not and
> will not use but must pay for despite my desire to use an alternate
> operating system. I do, however, give those copies away free to friends,
> relatives, etc. who wish to upgrade from Windows 3.1 or 95. I use a couple
> of Windows 95 CD's as frisbees for my dog.
> 

Whow!

Now that's the first time I find a really *intelligent* proposition of
what to do with those MicroCrap CDs. It's a shame I don't have a dog...

Greetings/2 from overseas

Thomas
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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                06-Dec-99 07:02:16
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-rZzJSh0PecdF@tcpserver>,
lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:10:06, aljohnson@centuryinter.net wrote:
>
>> What is the minimal and optimal amounts of memory required to run the
various
>> flavors of OS/2 from 2.11, 3, 4 and beyond.  Please email me and let me
know.
>> Hoping that I might be able to run on a machine I have.
>>
>
>OS/2 2.11 4 to 16 Mbyte
>OS/2 3 8 to 16 Mbyte
>OS/2 3 Connect 8 to 32 Mbyte (networking needs RAM)
>OS/2 4 16 to 64 Mbyte
>OS/2 4.5 (WSeB) 64 to 128 Mbyte
>
>All OS/2 versions perform better with more RAM
>Warp 3 and 4 do best with 64 Mbyte
>Warp 3 Connect using TCP/IP will beat itself to death with 8 Mbyte
>

If your work happens to NOT require the GUI, you could run the older version
OS/2 in as little as 4meg. I haven't had the pleasure to run 4.0 and 4.5 in
text mode only, but expecting good results in 8meg shouldn't be unreasonable.

TSHELL, is still available as EWS.

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     06-Dec-99 11:24:12
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:37:29, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

> All,
> 
<snip> 

> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get on-line. 
> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.
> 
Since I have a LS-120 working fine under Warp4 with FP12 I thought I 
may be able to help.  Where does the drive fail to boot?  I hate to 
ask the obvious but does your BIOS support booting from a LS-120?

> 
> Roland
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net              To Respond delete
".illegaltospam"
>                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
>                             For a Microsoft free univers
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           06-Dec-99 06:15:12
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <82f174$4ds$3@205.138.138.3>, on 12/06/99 at 12:49 AM,
   jbigge@novagate.com (Jerome Bigge) said:

> There is an outfit called "Hydra-drill" which has a drilling kit you can
> buy for less than $2,000 the last time I looked.  If a number of home
> owners got together the cost of drilling your wells would be only a few
> hundred dollars per person.  The city water system is probably charging
> you for sewers, and of course being a true monopoly, feels it can charge
> what it wants.  PS, it would be interesting to know where the $$$
> goes.

In New Jersey, the law requires a permit to drill a well. Our local
government has forbidden a citizen to drill a well in areas served by
"public" water. Moreover, one must also obtain a permit from the County
Board of Health which will not grant them for potable water use where
"public" water is available. Finally, the first two levels are polluted
and unsafe for human or animal  consumption. Thus, one would have to drill
to the third level which requires a state permit which they will not grant
since they consider that aquifer to be under duress from excessive use.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           06-Dec-99 06:26:18
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384b123f$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, on 12/05/99 at 08:32 PM,
   letoured@nospam.net said to larso:

> Microsoft signed contracts.  That's about it.  They never sent a private
> >army anywhere.

> In violation of US law! Are you capable of understand that or are you
> retarded??

The best thing is to ignore this assinine troll. I logged onto his website
which is loaded with wierd crap advocating all sorts of suspect
organizations. I have had a very interesting conversation with the
authorities at University of Alberta and Mr. larso may well be gone very
soon.

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     06-Dec-99 11:32:15
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: boot from zip

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:54:47, fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) 
wrote:

> I have an external SCSI zip.
> ASUS mobo w/ ASUS PCI SCSI (NCR 3.2)
> Is it possible to make a bootable disk for warp3?
> 
> how?
> 
>  
> 
> fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA
> 
Same way you make a bootable floppy, I imagine.  I don't have a ZIP 
drive to find out but provided your BIOS supports booting from ZIP 
then there should be no problem.

Glen D
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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      06-Dec-99 03:32:01
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Internet and Warp 3

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <82ee8m$dqj$1@barcode.tesco.net>, "Marco Faccini" <Marco.Faccini@tesco.net> 
writes:
>Can someone please help me?
>I am a new user to OS2 with very limited experiance, I have installed Warp 3
>from disk and ported most of my win 3.1 programs into it. What I now want is
>to use Warp 3 for my internet connection. I have read plenty on the net from
>people who explain how this is done but, I am affraid I do not have the
>knowlage on how to configure such a thing.
>I do have the bonus pack but have found that the IBM " dial other provider
>"
>option only allows connection to a SLIP account (mine is ppp) and asks
>questions about dns numbers but does not accept  0's. If anybody could give
>a fool proof step by step account on how to set up such a thing I would be
>greatful.
>Please note I am disabled so if any further software is required could you
>please point me towards freeware or shareware products as my budget is
>extreamly limited.

Warp v3 was released before PPP was an accepted standard.  PPP 
support was added later and can be downloaded from a number of 
sites, including hobbes.nmsu.edu

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: bruce@os2box.omen.com.au                          06-Dec-99 11:10:23
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: bruce@os2box.omen.com.au

I've actually tried using chkdsk after booting from floppies. I used /3 as the 
switch and although
a couple of minor errors were reported found the file still exists and chkdsk
passed it by.

Thanks.

In <384ACB72.F8C718CB@spam-not.rtd.com>, James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com>
writes:

>  It may be that the file system has become damaged regarding that file.
>I had a program that crashed and had the same symptoms (file shows in
>DIR command, can't be found by DEL). No variation of quoting or
>wildcards could convince the OS the file existed for deletion.
>  Try running CHKDSK. Since this is the C: drive you'll have to boot to
>floppies or a mainteneance partition to have corrections written out.
>This may correct the problem.
>  Another option is to backup up everything in that directory except the
>file you want to ax, remove the directory (if it will not remove, rename
>it), restore it. It *is* a bit draconian... 
>
>
>-- 
>
>sma at rtd dot com
>Remove "spam-not." for email

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From: bruce@os2box.omen.com.au                          06-Dec-99 11:06:00
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: bruce@os2box.omen.com.au

An idea however. Thanks

c:\mptn\bin>attrib "SETUP*CMD,sss" -r -a -s -h
___A_ -> _____  V:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"V:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"


 <384a4cc0.0@katana.legend.co.uk>, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)
writes:
>In <c1.2c.2T8FMv$00w@transit.omen.com.au>, bruce@os2box.omen.com.au writes:
>>No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory. The 
file name
>>is "SETUP*CMD,sss".
>
>What happens when you try 
>
>dir ??????????sss 
>
>If this finds the file, maybe try 
>
>del ??????????sss 
>
>at a command prompt...
>
>>I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the hard 
disk. Doing so
>>OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
>>SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
>>Well I can tell you the file IS there.
>>
>>It does not seem to have any effect on the file system. My problem is that
it's there and I 
>>can't get rid if it. It's on a HPFS Warp 4 partition.
>> 
>>Anyone have any clues please on how to rid my drive of this file???
>>
>> bruce@os2box.omen.com.au
>>
>--
>John

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               06-Dec-99 07:57:29
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: letoured@nospam.net

jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) said:

>>letoured@nospam.net
>>Assembling a computer without buying wincrap is one thing. Buying a
>>teir-one machine -- which most business in the US buy is impossible
>>without paying for wincrap.

>This is, of course, not true.

>Obviously, you know nothing about the computer marketplace. The fact that
>you're unable to do something that many others routinely do demonstrates
>your incompetence and ignorance.

I'll bite. Lets see if you're all bull shit or if you know something---
give us telephone numbers to order say a IBM TP 600E without paying for
windows?



_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        06-Dec-99 15:07:15
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: PMMERGE problems with SmartSuite

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

I have just installed SmartSuite for OS/2 Warp on top of WSeB and keep getting
Access Violations (SYS3175) in PMMERGE.DLL when attempting to run 1-2-3,
Freelance Graphics or Approach. WordPro and Organizer work OK.

Can anyone suggest what I should do to fix it?

--
John

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               06-Dec-99 07:55:03
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:


>> In violation of US law! Are you capable of understand that or are you
>> retarded??

>Signing a contract is in violation of US law.  Think about that.

I know this is going to tax your little IQ, but YES. It is possible for a
contract to be in violation of law. -- If you can understand this concept,
it will someday become possible for you understand the US DOJ action
against your object of worship. 


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: mthiv@znetrover.com                               06-Dec-99 14:35:04
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner

From: mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:55:26, bstephan@redshift.com wrote:
The Microtek x6el use the SCSI-2 interface, maybe this can be a 
problem. I don't know. I'll try to get some informations.

Thank for your help!

Bye
> In
> <4hfPXeIL3YyL-pn2-KNfVMEt0W9rm@cust177.tnt1.dial.que1.uunet.ca>,
> on 12/05/99 
>    at 04:48 PM, mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.) said:
> 
> >Someone had success with a Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner under
> >OS/2?
> 
> I have a Microtek E6 SCSI from a couple of years ago. It
> works fine with IMPOS/2. I don't know if that is applicable
> to your model, however.
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
>   Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
>    http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

No-spam delete the 'z'

Martin Thivierge
Quebec, Canada

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From: fegehrke@worldnet.att.net                         06-Dec-99 10:15:15
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Forrest Gehrke <fegehrke@worldnet.att.net>

Joseph wrote:
> 
> "Steven C. Britton" wrote:
> 
> > josco wrote:
> >
> > > By using your definitions - no one was forced to buy windows.
> >
> > Lars' definitions are the only logical definitions of the situation.  No
> > monopoly can possibly exist without the express consent, assistance, and
> > santion of the government.
> >
> > When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.
> 
> That definition of monopoly is incorrect.
> 
> > Competition in the OS market exists.  Microsoft isn't a monopoly.  Just
> > because Microsoft chooses to put conditions on their distribution
agreements
> > doesn't make them a monopoly.
> 
> That too is incorrect.
> Both of you choose to define words to suite your interpretation.
> 
> It is an uncontested fact that MS does not have 100% of the PC OS market as
the
> government defines the market.  The case should be thrown out but was not.   
If
> MS had you two as lawyers they'd be able to dismiss the case with a summary
> judgement and no testimony since MS has less than 100% of the market the
> Government has defined.  No monopoly. no case.
> 
As it happened, this was exactly Microsoft's lawyers first course of
action: they asked for a summary dismissal using the same logic.
They were literally laughed out of court with the judge advising
those lawyers to study the law and the definition of monopoly.
//

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     06-Dec-99 07:25:29
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


Forrest Gehrke wrote:

> Joseph wrote:
> >
> > "Steven C. Britton" wrote:
> >
> > > josco wrote:
> > >
> > > > By using your definitions - no one was forced to buy windows.
> > >
> > > Lars' definitions are the only logical definitions of the situation.  No
> > > monopoly can possibly exist without the express consent, assistance, and
> > > santion of the government.
> > >
> > > When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.
> >
> > That definition of monopoly is incorrect.
> >
> > > Competition in the OS market exists.  Microsoft isn't a monopoly.  Just
> > > because Microsoft chooses to put conditions on their distribution
agreements
> > > doesn't make them a monopoly.

...

>
> > It is an uncontested fact that MS does not have 100% of the PC OS market
as the
> > government defines the market.  The case should be thrown out but was not. 
  If
> > MS had you two as lawyers they'd be able to dismiss the case with a
summary
> > judgement and no testimony since MS has less than 100% of the market the
> > Government has defined.  No monopoly. no case.
> >

> As it happened, this was exactly Microsoft's lawyers first course of
> action: they asked for a summary dismissal using the same logic.
> They were literally laughed out of court with the judge advising
> those lawyers to study the law and the definition of monopoly.

Really?   I thought they tried this kind of tactic in the Caldera case.  In
either
case, the suggestion MS is not a monopoly due to the lack of absolute power
and
market share is not correct.

With the DOJ I thought they tried to argue the PC market did not exist.  Any
references such as a story on http://www.sjmercury.com with it's extensive
collection
of stories?  I'll check tonight.

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From: fegehrke@worldnet.att.net                         06-Dec-99 10:26:22
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Forrest Gehrke <fegehrke@worldnet.att.net>

Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Forrest Gehrke write:
> > Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> > > Why on earth is such a straightforward transaction illegal?  What kind
of
> > > crazy law is that?
> > >
> > Lars,
> > I don't happen to know, but are you telling us that Canada
> > does not have an antitrust law?
> 
> Oh, Canada has this lunacy too.  Even more powerful than the antitrust laws
> in the U.S.  Propane companies are unable to merge for "the public good",
> and the law explicitly states that a lack of evidence is no hindrance on
> successful prosecution.

Thank you for finally responding. I was sure the Canadian
government would not subscribe to the lunacy of your
point of view, though they do emulate it very well
for the medical discipline.  Even one of the provincial
prime ministers has now publicly recognized that.
> 
> But it isn't Canada's anti-trust laws that persecute the most successful
> company in the world today.

But, of course, Microsoft is not a Canadian company.

Furthermore, this entire case is about the methods Microsoft
used to became so successful.

> 
> > Please look into it and report back what that law has
> > to say about predatory pricing.
> 
> Oh, you mean the laws stating that any business practise is illegal?
> 
Of course: that's what antitrust laws usually do.
//

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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      06-Dec-99 15:44:00
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:15:31 +0000, Forrest Gehrke
<fegehrke@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Joseph wrote:
>> 
>> "Steven C. Britton" wrote:
>> 
>> > josco wrote:
>> >
>> > > By using your definitions - no one was forced to buy windows.
>> >
>> > Lars' definitions are the only logical definitions of the situation.  No
>> > monopoly can possibly exist without the express consent, assistance, and
>> > santion of the government.
>> >
>> > When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.
>> 
>> That definition of monopoly is incorrect.
>> 
>> > Competition in the OS market exists.  Microsoft isn't a monopoly.  Just
>> > because Microsoft chooses to put conditions on their distribution
agreements
>> > doesn't make them a monopoly.
>> 
>> That too is incorrect.
>> Both of you choose to define words to suite your interpretation.
>> 
>> It is an uncontested fact that MS does not have 100% of the PC OS market as 
the
>> government defines the market.  The case should be thrown out but was not.  
 If
>> MS had you two as lawyers they'd be able to dismiss the case with a summary
>> judgement and no testimony since MS has less than 100% of the market the
>> Government has defined.  No monopoly. no case.
>> 
>As it happened, this was exactly Microsoft's lawyers first course of
>action: they asked for a summary dismissal using the same logic.
>They were literally laughed out of court with the judge advising
>those lawyers to study the law and the definition of monopoly.


I guess the Zamboni Co. better get some good lawyers on board to
prepare for the worst; they might be next.


EBB

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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            06-Dec-99 09:55:01
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

Joseph wrote:
> >
> > When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.
>
> That definition of monopoly is incorrect.

Monopoly:

1.  exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market, or
a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.

Microsoft does not enjoy either of those two controls.

2.  an exclusive privilege to carry on a traffic or service, granted by a
government.

Nope, doesn't have that, either.

3.  the exclusive control of something.

Nope, not that either.

4.  something that is the subject of such control.

Nope...

5.  a company or gorup that has such contol.

Microsoft doesn't have that control.

(Random House dictionary)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
What have YOU done to bust a union today?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            06-Dec-99 10:06:25
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

Bob Germer wrote:
>
> > Ever consider that the anti-trust laws are garbage?
>
> Since you are a Canuck, your opinoin is worth less than garbage.

Hey Lars!  He's a bigot, too!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
What have YOU done to bust a union today?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          06-Dec-99 15:57:11
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:43:41, nemo@union.edu wrote:

> In <zhqfunexjbeyqargnggarg.fmapzy0.pminews@news.optonline.net>, on
> 12/06/99 
>    at 01:40 AM, "Dave" <Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net> said:
> 
> 
> >>I'm suspecting there's some bug about running the cdrw as the only
> >>cd-player.
> 
> >No.  I got a new case and didn't move the Mitsumi CD player over right
> >away.  I had no CD icon in the Drives folder, until I attached a drive.
> >(thats still the situation,)  But after adding the Mitsumi CD-ROM back in
> >it didn't make a diff.  Worked both ways.
> 
> This is good to know. As far as the icon behavior goes, I see the same
> phenomenon. 
> 
> Still suffering from the problem of not being able to write to cd. 

Are you still remming out the LOCKCDR.FLT driver? Try unremming it, 
give it to RSJ for the session.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com                          06-Dec-99 15:23:27
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Help.. I lost my LAN logon ID and password

From: nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com

HI,

Is there anyway to recover the LAN logon userid and password for a
workstation?

This is on a backup PC that has not been touched in a year and I lost
that information.

This is for V4.0 of OS2.  Any hidden files, etc..??

Thanks,

George
wx@pcwp.com

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             06-Dec-99 07:29:00
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner

From: bstephan@redshift.com

My E6 is connected to the SCSI-2 port on my ThinkPad docking
station. Works fine. I have also downloaded and tested with
the demo version of a twain driver (I believe it was CFM
TWAIN) and it worked fine that way also. I don't currently
have the URLs for these companies handy, but perhaps if you
look at the BMT Micro and the Indelible Blue sites you can
get more information about scanning software and how to
contact these companies that produce it. Contacting the
companies would be the best place to ask about support for
your scanner.

In
<4hfPXeIL3YyL-pn2-XDCK9qBySFUu@cust211.tnt1.dial.que1.uunet.ca>,
on 12/06/99 
   at 02:35 PM, mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.) said:

>On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:55:26, bstephan@redshift.com wrote:
>The Microtek x6el use the SCSI-2 interface, maybe this can
>be a  problem. I don't know. I'll try to get some
>informations.

>Thank for your help!

>Bye
>> In
>> <4hfPXeIL3YyL-pn2-KNfVMEt0W9rm@cust177.tnt1.dial.que1.uunet.ca>,
>> on 12/05/99 
>>    at 04:48 PM, mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.) said:
>> 
>> >Someone had success with a Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner under
>> >OS/2?
>> 
>> I have a Microtek E6 SCSI from a couple of years ago. It
>> works fine with IMPOS/2. I don't know if that is applicable
>> to your model, however.
>> 
>> -- 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
>>   Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
>>    http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> 

>No-spam delete the 'z'

>Martin Thivierge
>Quebec, Canada

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             06-Dec-99 08:40:28
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:05
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> After weeks of attempting to deal with the worst FP of Warp ever released
> I have finally kissed it off.  Not exactly the kiss off I wished though
> since IBM has thoughtfully removed the RSU for English FP9 (second
> release), the last known working version of the Warp fixpaks.

Sorry you are having problems but I have to say that I have been using
FP 12 with no problems thus far.  Did you also apply the device driver
fixpack No. 1?  Fixpack 12 does not include device driver updates
(neither does FP 11) since IBM elected to provide separate fixpacks for
device drivers.  

> 
> The bugs in FP12 are too numerous and frustrating to name here.  I have
> long ago tired of filling out bug reports with IBM that just get round
> filed as major issues never get fixed.  Not having a sound card under OS/2
> anymore was a real pisser, but still not being able to boot from the
> LS-120 was highly offensive.  Almost as offensive as the comment from a
> developer here which basically said "I had machines here at the office it
> wouldn't boot on, but released the code anyway."  This developer should
> have a long and wonderfull career at either Stardock or CDS where the
> shrink wrap goes on before the quality goes in.
> 
> FP12's final nail in the coffin is a wonderfull bug.  Leave either the
> latest Netscape or pretty much any version of MR/2 Ice up.  Let the IBM
> dark screen saver kick in for a while.  When you return you will notice
> that your screen interaction has slowed way down.  Background tasks (like
> FTP's and such) seem to run just fine, but anything writing to the screen
> runs like molases up a hill in winter.  The farther up the hill it gets
> the slower it goes.  Eventually you end up having to hard boot even AFTER
> you have managed to shoot all applications.  Standard shut down simply
> won't work.  About the third time this situation happens you won't reboot.
> PMWP.DLL will be gone.
> 
> As a software developer for many years on several different platforms I am
> aghast something like this got shipped.  It is _inconceivable_ that a
> dynamic link runtime module would have its file opened in Write/Modify
> (w,d) mode.  The file should _never_ be opened in a mode other than
> Read/Execute (r,e) no matter what the OS is, when doing a run time bind.
> Replacing the file with an older version from FP8 backup directory curred
> the problem.  This gives mild comfort in knowing they didn't bugger the
> disk cache beyond recognition, flushing dynamic link files (corrupted by
> bugs in the module) back to disk...or did they?  Since the older module
> doesn't have the bugs I wouldn't know if it was getting flushed to disk.
> If you are reading IBM developers I certainly hope your cache has at least
> two distinct regions.  1) write/flushable  2) read-only, nonflushed.  Upon
> shutdown, the contents of this second cache are simply discarded.  All
> dynamic links should be read into this second region.
> 
> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get on-line.
> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.

Every OS/2 v4 fixpack from 1 thru 12 is available on Hobbes at:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-browse?sh=1&dir=/pub/os2/system/patches/fixpac
k/warp_4

By way of suggestion, occasionally when people apply a fixpack, they do
see problems such as you are apparently finding.  The Corrective Service
Tool provides a way to archive the files which are updated and reinstall
them if the new fixpack is not acceptable.  It is always a good idea to
use this feature to prevent being committed to a fixpack which creates
problems.  The help in the Corrective Service Tool program has more on
this.


> 
> Personally I don't think you could have killed Warp more if you officially
> announced the product was dropped.
> 
> Roland
> 
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net              To Respond delete
".illegaltospam"
>                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
>                             For a Microsoft free univers
> -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             06-Dec-99 08:48:14
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:05
Subj: Re: Lexmark Printer & PMV8005?

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Michael Robertson wrote:
> 
>         I'm getting this error message when I try to print to my Lx5700.  I
> have the bidirectional port driver installed and it worked fine with
> my previous system.  The printer works great in Win95 so it is
> functional.  Anyone else seen this?  Or know what it means?  "Help
> PMV8005" just tells me there is no message file for PMV.

I use several bidirectional printers with OS/2 v4 including a Lexmark
3200, an HP 5l, and an HP Officejet printer/fax/copier/scanner.  My
experience is that bidirectional printers work fine WITHOUT the IBM
bidirectional driver installed and have problems if it IS installed. 
Both Win-OS2 and OS/2 programs seem to be able to get the proper
information from the printer regarding settings, paper and ink status,
jams, etc.  I am not sure just what the bidirectional printer driver was
supposed to do but I am thinking that the bidirectional printer has
perhaps been superceded by the fixpacks for OS/2 v4 and the device
driver fixpack 1.  


> 
>         Michael Robertson

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From: mktorg@hotmail.com                                07-Dec-99 01:20:00
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 16:29:25
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Davies <mktorg@hotmail.com>

Bob (The Other one):

If Lars' Web Page bothers you - you better get a life. :-))) I don't
think you get out much fella'.

My understanding is that Lars will be graduating soon - at least I think
he said that on one of his posts - - probably less sinister than you
believe. :-))))

You must be a socialist - character assassination is one of their
favourite tactics. :-(((


Bob Germer wrote:
> 
> On <384b123f$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, on 12/05/99 at 08:32 PM,
>    letoured@nospam.net said to larso:
> 
> > Microsoft signed contracts.  That's about it.  They never sent a private
> > >army anywhere.
> 
> > In violation of US law! Are you capable of understand that or are you
> > retarded??
> 
> The best thing is to ignore this assinine troll. I logged onto his website
> which is loaded with wierd crap advocating all sorts of suspect
> organizations. I have had a very interesting conversation with the
> authorities at University of Alberta and Mr. larso may well be gone very
> soon.
> 
> --
>
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> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
> MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
> Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>
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-- 
Bob Davies

Socialism is about the equal distribution of poverty!
Learn about Socialism - everyone needs a laugh!
http://www.worldsocialism.org/

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From: mktorg@hotmail.com                                07-Dec-99 01:25:22
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 16:29:25
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Davies <mktorg@hotmail.com>

Lars:

Yes you can buy a computer without a DOS or Windows - NOW!. A short time
ago you could not. Microsoft required contracts that brought them $
Billion$ from people who did not want or need their product - because of
restrictive contracts with M$.


Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 

> Or you can purchase a computer that doesn't involve any sort of Windows
> licence.  As I said, I set up such a machine a couple weeks back.  There was
> no Windows CD to throw away because there was no Windows CD because there
> was no Windows.
> 
> --
> Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
> mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
> The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/
-- 
Bob Davies

Socialism is about the equal distribution of poverty!
Learn about Socialism - everyone needs a laugh!
http://www.worldsocialism.org/

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          06-Dec-99 17:23:03
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 16:29:25
Subj: Re: Lexmark Printer & PMV8005?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:48:28, "David T. Johnson" 
<djohnson@isomedia.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Michael Robertson wrote:
> > 
> >         I'm getting this error message when I try to print to my Lx5700. 
I
> > have the bidirectional port driver installed and it worked fine with
> > my previous system.  The printer works great in Win95 so it is
> > functional.  Anyone else seen this?  Or know what it means?  "Help
> > PMV8005" just tells me there is no message file for PMV.
> 
> I use several bidirectional printers with OS/2 v4 including a Lexmark
> 3200, an HP 5l, and an HP Officejet printer/fax/copier/scanner.  My
> experience is that bidirectional printers work fine WITHOUT the IBM
> bidirectional driver installed and have problems if it IS installed. 
> Both Win-OS2 and OS/2 programs seem to be able to get the proper
> information from the printer regarding settings, paper and ink status,
> jams, etc.  I am not sure just what the bidirectional printer driver was
> supposed to do but I am thinking that the bidirectional printer has
> perhaps been superceded by the fixpacks for OS/2 v4 and the device
> driver fixpack 1.  

This is an interesting report, but at least as far as WSeB's code 
goes, installing Bidirectional printer support is an option during 
Install, and includes a PAR1284.SYS driver. 

I don't know if a different PARALLEL.PDR is installed or not, but in 
any case I can't get BIDI working under WSeB, despite working 
transparently under Win9x and previous Warp 3 and 4 installs to the 
same hardware. So maybe I'll screw around with PRINT01.SYS a bit more?




-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: pbarn@altern.org                                  06-Dec-99 17:32:13
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 16:29:25
Subj: Re: TCP/IP connected printers

From: Pierre Barn <pbarn@altern.org>

In article <KBotDFRHSp7U-pn2-YXjpuNV7x4RQ@localhost>,
  jan.eri@protector-group.no wrote:
> The Fiery server definitely shouldn't be low on storage, so I don't
> understand why LPRPORTD is so incredibly slow (even with small files)

The available disk space is displayed on the front panel of the Fiery.

By the way, are you on 100BaseT ? Do you have a 3Com switch ? I've seen setup
like this being very slow. I think there is a tech note on 3Com site.

--
Pierre barn
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/fieryusers/
NEW !! http://www.onelist.com/community/dpsi mailing list for
Digital Printing Systems Information


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dun...               06-Dec-99 17:52:00
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 16:29:25
Subj: Re: Help.. I lost my LAN logon ID and password

Message sender: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk

From: Charles Christacopoulos <c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk>

nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
> Is there anyway to recover the LAN logon userid and password for a
> workstation?
> 
> This is on a backup PC that has not been touched in a year and I lost
> that information.
> 
> This is for V4.0 of OS2.  Any hidden files, etc..??
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George
> wx@pcwp.com

If you are connecting to Lan Manager you can issue a new ID + Password
on the server and you use those to connect.  If you are thinking Peer to
Peer the user name is sitting somewhere (some .ini file if memory serves
me right).  I cannot help you with Peer to Peer password.

Charles
-- 
Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
too)

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          06-Dec-99 19:26:10
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:14
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>Bob Germer
>Since you are a Canuck, your opinoin is worth less than garbage.

... but worth more than Bob Germer, who himself is not even worth as
much as garbage

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From: josco@sea.monterey.edu                            06-Dec-99 12:09:07
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: josco <josco@sea.monterey.edu>

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Steven C. Britton wrote:

> Joseph wrote:
> > >
> > > When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.
> >
> > That definition of monopoly is incorrect.
> 
> Monopoly:
> 
> 1.  exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market, or
> a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.
> 
> Microsoft does not enjoy either of those two controls.

I would have thought the Judges' finding of fact would be sufficent but I
guess his legal conclusions are not as important as your opinion.
http://www.sjmercury.com/business/microsoft/trial/finding.htm

This gets interesting. 
It is not very often that I get to talk with a megalomaniac 


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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          06-Dec-99 20:10:29
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>>>letoured@nospam.net
>>>Assembling a computer without buying wincrap is one thing. Buying a
>>>teir-one machine -- which most business in the US buy is impossible
>>>without paying for wincrap.

>>This is, of course, not true.

>>Obviously, you know nothing about the computer marketplace. The fact that
>>you're unable to do something that many others routinely do demonstrates
>>your incompetence and ignorance.

>I'll bite. Lets see if you're all bull shit or if you know something---
>give us telephone numbers to order say a IBM TP 600E without paying for
>windows?

If IBM won't sell you what you want, why are you foolishly buying IBM
products???

I see the problem now, and it's you.

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From: glend@nospam.direct.ca                            06-Dec-99 13:02:07
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Glenn Davies <glend@nospam.direct.ca>

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:55:03 -0700, "Steven C. Britton"
<sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote:

>Joseph wrote:
>> >
>> > When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.
>>
>> That definition of monopoly is incorrect.
>
>Monopoly:
>
>1.  exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market, or
>a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.
>
>Microsoft does not enjoy either of those two controls.
>
>2.  an exclusive privilege to carry on a traffic or service, granted by a
>government.
>
>Nope, doesn't have that, either.
>
>3.  the exclusive control of something.
>
>Nope, not that either.

Sure - exclusive control of Window related products and technologies.

>
>4.  something that is the subject of such control.
>
>Nope...
>
>5.  a company or gorup that has such contol.
>
>Microsoft doesn't have that control.
>
>(Random House dictionary)

It's a fact that you're just going to have to except. The US legal
definition of "monopoly" is not the same as the commmon dictionary
definition. Just pretend they're are two different words.


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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     06-Dec-99 19:51:22
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 04:28:30, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw letoured@nospam.net write:
> >  larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> > 
> > >> >Huh?  When did Microsoft get all distributors to, against their will,
> > >> >supply MS OSes with all systemms?
> > >> 
> > >> This is one of the things the US DOJ actions are all about.
> > >Yes, but the DOJ actions never answered the question, either.
> > 
> > The DOJ action is NOT COMPLETE.
> 
> Where in the finding of fact does it justify these claims?
> 
> You do understand that don't you???? 

Paragraph 66:

-8<snip

Furthermore, Microsoft expends a significant portion of its monopoly 
power, which could otherwise be spent maximizing price, on imposing 
burdensome restrictions on its customers and in inducing them to 
behave in ways that augment and prolong that monopoly power.  For 
example, Microsoft attaches to a Windows license conditions that 
restrict the ability of OEMs to promote software that Microsoft 
believes could weaken the applications barrier to entry.  Microsoft 
also charges a lower price to OEMs who agree to ensure that all of 
their Windows machines are powerful enough to run Windows NT for 
Workstations.  To the extent this provision induces OEMs to 
concentrate their efforts on the development of relatively powerful, 
expensive PCs, it makes OEMs less likely to pursue simultaneously the 
opposite path of developing thin client systems, which could threaten 
demand for Microsoft s Intel-compatible PC operating system products. 
In addition, Microsoft charges a lower price to OEMs who agree to ship
all but a minute fraction of their machines with an operating system 
pre-installed.  While this helps combat piracy, it also makes it less 
likely that consumers will detect increases in the price of Windows 
and renders operating systems not pre-installed by OEMs in large 
numbers even less attractive to consumers.  After all, a consumer's 
interest in a non-Windows operating system might not outweigh the 
burdens on system memory and performance associated with supporting 
two operating systems on a single PC.

-8<snip

> > >Microsoft signed contracts.  That's about it.  They never sent a private
> > >army anywhere.

They didn't need to.

> > 
> > In violation of US law! Are you capable of understand that or are you
> > retarded??
> 
> Signing a contract is in violation of US law.  Think about that.
> 
> -- 
> Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
> mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
> The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/
> 

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: withjnaye@integrityonline.com                     06-Dec-99 10:52:23
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: No 'Install.exe' file in Javaswng.zip

From: Jay Withee <withjnaye@integrityonline.com>

I downloaded the 'Javaswng.zip' file from IBM. Usually, their java
packages are self-extracting, using the -di -ov options. This was a
zipfile. I used PKUnzip for OS/2 (pkos2250.exe) to unzip, with the
following command:

pkzip /extract /directories javaswng.zip

Well, it appeared that all went well: files were extracted,
subdirectories (swing-1.1ibm, et. al.) were created. I noticed the
absence of an installation executable, but figured the readme would
detail a manual configuration. It didn't. It mentioned command-line and
WPS installation procedures, both dependent upon an <install.exe> file.
And, as the title of this message indicates, such a file was absent.

Did I unzip it wrong? Is the file corrupt? Any help anyone can offer
will be appreciated.

TIA,

Jay

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            06-Dec-99 19:59:02
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Best SCSI cards for OS/2

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <82gvcf$e4j$1@supernews.com>, "John Sanderson" <john@sanderon.org.uk>
writes:
>I use an ADAPTEC Ultra wide PDI Card and have never had any problems with it
>or with drivers.
>
>John Roenigk <roenigk@ibm.net> wrote in message
>news:375A651C.CF65F37B@ibm.net...
>> I am preparing a new machine to do scanning and need to install a SCSI
>> card. Which SCSI cards are known to be OS/2 Warp 4 compatible? Which
>> would be most highly recommended (and why)? Help appreciated...
>>
>> John Roenigk
>>

We've run into initial trouble with the Adaptec 2940U2W as well as the
embdded Adaptec controllers on the ASUS P5 mother boards.  I think they
are the new 7970 contollers, a dual channel single hardware chip deal.

I had trouble getting BA2 to work with them, but not with the older
Adaptec 2940UW card or earlier.

Part of the trouble involves that the latest Adaptec device drivers are
larger files which cause problems in creating utility disks and tape
support utility disks that may be needed to run these later dual channel
controllers.  That's my take.

In another post, I've seen that BA-2000 claims to have handled the
problems for some of this.  I have a set of drives and a 2040U2W to use
for proof testing all this now, but do not have time to finish the
research.

If I were to bet on things working all the way through tape backup and
restore, I think I would stay with the older 2940UW controller if you
get Adaptec.  That one seems to work fine on the neede FixPack 8 SCSI
driver that is part of the fixpack.  It is a lot smaller as a disk file
than the driver in the later fixpacks..

    Just a thought, if you go Adaptec ...


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            06-Dec-99 14:11:01
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

josco wrote:
> >
> > Monopoly:
> >
> > 1.  exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market,
or
> > a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.
> >
> > Microsoft does not enjoy either of those two controls.
>
> I would have thought the Judges' finding of fact would be sufficent but I
> guess his legal conclusions are not as important as your opinion.
> http://www.sjmercury.com/business/microsoft/trial/finding.htm

When the judge is fundamentally wrong in his definition, his report becomes
"findings of fiction".

The bottom line is that Microsoft's request to have the case dismissed out
of hand was "laughed out of court" because the court had probably already
decided on the outcome: that Microsoft was guilty of being successful and
therefore must be punished.

I've posted the definition of monopoly.  It's nice to see that you choose to
ignore it.

So much for your grasp on reality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            06-Dec-99 14:14:12
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

Glenn Davies wrote:

> >3.  the exclusive control of something.
> >
> >Nope, not that either.
>
> Sure - exclusive control of Window related products and technologies.

What the hell are Quattro Pro, Netscape, and Lotus?

The point is that while Microsoft has control over it's half-baked, buggy,
operating system called Windows (as it should -- it's Microsoft's product),
it does NOT have control over what applications people choose to run under
it.

> It's a fact that you're just going to have to except. The US legal
> definition of "monopoly" is not the same as the commmon dictionary
> definition. Just pretend they're are two different words.

They certainly are two different worlds.  One is correct, the other isn't.
I trust the Random House Dictionary far more than the US Justice Department.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
What have YOU done to bust a union today?
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Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: possum@tree.branch                                06-Dec-99 21:16:29
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: possum@tree.branch (Mike Trettel)

On 6 Dec 1999 00:14:42 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:

>> That's an interesting color of sky in your world.  It's, what, rose
>> colored?
>
>Who do you know who was forced to buy a copy of Windows?

Plenty of people.  However, judging from your reactions to the other
replies in this thread you're simply going to ignore any answer I give
that doesn't correspond with the one you want to hear.

Let me put it to you this way.  Not everyone has the freedom to assemble
their own PC for a given situation, and must purchase a name brand PC off
the shelf for that situation.  The reason for such a purchase is
usually to secure an extended warrenty for the hardware or to get a
particular set of hradware, since it comes from a known reliable
manufacturer such as Dell or Compaq.  Since such OEM's are also locked 
into exclusionary contracts with Microsoft, that invariably means that the
PC will come preloaded with some type of Windows, even if the end result
calls for a non Windows OS. But of course, you will reply that the buyer
need not purchase from such OEMs, totally ignoring the first set of facts
I set forth-that the buyer needs to use a PC from these particular OEMs.

-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: possum@tree.branch                                06-Dec-99 21:59:16
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: possum@tree.branch (Mike Trettel)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:14:24 -0700, Steven C. Britton <sbritton@cadvision.com> 
wrote:
>Glenn Davies wrote:
>
>> It's a fact that you're just going to have to except. The US legal
>> definition of "monopoly" is not the same as the commmon dictionary
>> definition. Just pretend they're are two different words.
>
>They certainly are two different worlds.  One is correct, the other isn't.
>I trust the Random House Dictionary far more than the US Justice Department.

That's nice, but which one actually applies to the situation at hand?  Do
you really think that Judge Jackson used the Random House definition, or
the well settled definition present in US law?

The RH definition is irrelevant.  It doesn't matter in the slightest.
Here's a US judge with 30 years experience, offering an analysis based
upon 78 days of testimony from two opposing points of view, in an area of
US law with over 100 years of legal precedent.  Yep, I can just see him
cracking open the Random House dictionary, reading the definitions, and
slapping his forehead...

<Doh!!!> It's so clear now!


-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: 1979j@usa.net                                     06-Dec-99 22:01:00
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: OS/2 1.1

From: Nino <1979j@usa.net>

Hello All,

my name's Nino and I am a student at the 'La Sapienza' university in
Rome.
I am preparing a research on the history of PC for my next exam. OS/2
have
a huge importance for the IBM PC compatible platform, I'd like to quote
it
largely, but unfortunately I miss what maybe is the most important
version: OS/2 1.1, the first operating system for PC with a GUI, the
first OS/2 with Presentation Manager.

I would like to write an original article on it and take some
screenshots of OS/2 1.1 with my camera.

If someone please can supply me that version (which is, I suppose, about
4 or 5 5.25 disks) I will be very grateful; I really want my teachers
give OS/2 the importance and the respect that it deserves. Thanks in
advance

I am sorry for any off-topic generated but I really need your help.

Best regards,
Nino Solazzo

P.S. Please, answer me only if you have the 1.1 version. I am not a
collector so I am not interested in any other 1.x versions. Thanks
again.




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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            06-Dec-99 15:43:05
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

Mike Trettel wrote:
> >
> >They certainly are two different worlds.  One is correct, the other
isn't.
> >I trust the Random House Dictionary far more than the US Justice
Department.
>
> That's nice, but which one actually applies to the situation at hand?  Do
> you really think that Judge Jackson used the Random House definition, or
> the well settled definition present in US law?

On that point, I will not disagree.  However, I do disagree with the law as
it is written -- which has been my point from day one.

> The RH definition is irrelevant.  It doesn't matter in the slightest.

Sure it does: it is the _correct_ definition of monopoly.  Just because a
bunch of political activists wrote a law to ensure that people get punished
for being successful doesn't mean that they're correct.

> Here's a US judge with 30 years experience, offering an analysis based
> upon 78 days of testimony from two opposing points of view, in an area of
> US law with over 100 years of legal precedent.

Here's a leftist US judge, who, like those who brought the "charges" against
Microsoft to this kangaroo court, is jealous of people who do business well,
and want a slice of the pie.  Yep, I can also see him deliberately choosing
to use the flawed and incorrect definition of monopoly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
What have YOU done to bust a union today?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: pgiang@my-deja.com                                06-Dec-99 21:19:26
  To: elegan@tekram.com.tw                              06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Re: can't get rsj to behave (still)

To: elegan@tekram.com.tw
From: PG <pgiang@my-deja.com>

Make sure SCSI adapter's dirver is updated. Earlier Tekram's driver
version would have problem with RSJ S/W.

==================
In article <zhqfunexjbeyqargnggarg.fm9y4r0.pminews@news.optonline.net>,
  "Dave" <Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 05:41:31 -0500, nemo@union.edu wrote:
>
> >Greetings!
> >
> >I'm about to post this to the rsj newsgroup but I thought I'd ask
here
> >also.
> >
> >I have a Ricoh cdrw as the _only_ cd-drive in my system (for now);
it is
> >running off of scsi id #2 off of a Tekram scsi adaptor.
> >
> >I have the follow setup in config.sys:
> >
> >BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /ALL
> >[...]
> >DEVICE=f:\CDWFS\RSJSCSI.SYS
> >IFS=f:\CDWFS\CDWFS.IFS
> >RUN=f:\CDWFS\CDWFSD.EXE -p "h:/TEMP" -c20000 -b2048 -t2 -i3 -s4 rem
> >BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT
> >
> >(LOCKCDR.FLT is remmed out because otherwise there's no access to the
> >cdrw, OS/2 occupies it.)
>
> You lost me here.  You mean you can't read 'normal' CDs otherwise?
You
> should be able to after 'attaching' the drive.
> What Richo are you using?  My Richo MP6002S seems fine. (my *old*
Mitsumi 1x
> can't read CDRs well)
> >
> >To attach the cdrw (K:) I use:
> >
> >cdattach z: -d k:
>
> I don't use the -d switch. (whats that for anyway? <grin>)
>
>


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    06-Dec-99 22:08:05
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Lorne Sunley (lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca) wrote:

: On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:10:06, aljohnson@centuryinter.net wrote:

: > What is the minimal and optimal amounts of memory required to run the
: > various flavors of OS/2 from 2.11, 3, 4 and beyond.  Please email me and
: > let me know.  Hoping that I might be able to run on a machine I have.

: OS/2 2.11 4 to 16 Mbyte
: OS/2 3 8 to 16 Mbyte

	Sort of.  OS/2 2.11 never treated memory as well as Warp 3 did, 
at least that is what it says in the OS/2 Unleashed book.  OS/2 Warp 3 
with 4 MB of RAM the author said felt like OS/2 2.11 with 8 MB of RAM or 
something to that effect.  Something about Warp 3 handling memory much 
better than 2.X series.

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From: sfactual@erols.com                                06-Dec-99 17:46:04
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: Jon Schuck <sfactual@erols.com>

I use exact hardware with CFTwain and PMView.  It rules.

"A. Willard Reese" wrote:

> I'm considering buying a Yamaha  6x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW kit with
> an Adaptec PCI SCSI interface card to run on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11,
> system. Can anyone tell me their experience with such a setup?  How
> about drivers for OS2?  What problems have been encountered, etc?  The
> price is right on this combination but it's no good to me if it won't
> run in OS2.
> Thanks for any help,
> Willard

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From: Marco.Faccini@tesco.net                           06-Dec-99 20:51:16
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Re: Internet and Warp 3

From: "Marco Faccini" <Marco.Faccini@tesco.net>

Just a quick note to everyone who has answered my posting to thank you all
very much for your help. PPP.ZIP is now installed and appears to work. I am
overcome with gratitude to you all my love affair with this operating system
can now continue.

                                Marco.


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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             06-Dec-99 14:11:11
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Re: Lexmark Printer & PMV8005?

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:48:28, "David T. Johnson"
> <djohnson@isomedia.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Michael Robertson wrote:
> > >
> > >         I'm getting this error message when I try to print to my Lx5700. 
 I
> > > have the bidirectional port driver installed and it worked fine with
> > > my previous system.  The printer works great in Win95 so it is
> > > functional.  Anyone else seen this?  Or know what it means?  "Help
> > > PMV8005" just tells me there is no message file for PMV.
> >
> > I use several bidirectional printers with OS/2 v4 including a Lexmark
> > 3200, an HP 5l, and an HP Officejet printer/fax/copier/scanner.  My
> > experience is that bidirectional printers work fine WITHOUT the IBM
> > bidirectional driver installed and have problems if it IS installed.
> > Both Win-OS2 and OS/2 programs seem to be able to get the proper
> > information from the printer regarding settings, paper and ink status,
> > jams, etc.  I am not sure just what the bidirectional printer driver was
> > supposed to do but I am thinking that the bidirectional printer has
> > perhaps been superceded by the fixpacks for OS/2 v4 and the device
> > driver fixpack 1.
> 
> This is an interesting report, but at least as far as WSeB's code
> goes, installing Bidirectional printer support is an option during
> Install, and includes a PAR1284.SYS driver.
> 
> I don't know if a different PARALLEL.PDR is installed or not, but in
> any case I can't get BIDI working under WSeB, despite working
> transparently under Win9x and previous Warp 3 and 4 installs to the
> same hardware. So maybe I'll screw around with PRINT01.SYS a bit more?

The parallel.pdr file that I am using is dated 7/27/99 and was included
in fixpak 12.  I don't have a par1284.sys file loaded.  The IBM
bidirectional driver includes a par1284.sys file dated 2/4/97.  

> 
> --
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Buddy
> 
> Buddy Donnelly
> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com

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From: donw1749@my-deja.com                              06-Dec-99 22:14:10
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: donw1749@my-deja.com

In article <384b9ece$4$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>,
  Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:
> On <384b29c1_4@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/05/99 at 08:12 PM,
>    "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:
>
> > > Of course you're not the one defining the anti-trust laws so your
> > > definitions are garbage.
>
> > Ever consider that the anti-trust laws are garbage?
>
> Since you are a Canuck, your opinoin is worth less than garbage.

And what do you base this gem on mr. Germer? Seems that we bear
up under any number of U.S. opinions, why are ours of less
value?

Don Wagner

>
> --
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
> MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
> Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>
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----------------------
>
>


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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        06-Dec-99 23:50:01
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 21:20:28
Subj: Re: OS/2 1.1

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <384C322F.AB9FA885@usa.net>, Nino <1979j@usa.net> writes:
>Hello All,
>
>my name's Nino and I am a student at the 'La Sapienza' university in
>Rome.
>I am preparing a research on the history of PC for my next exam. OS/2
>have
>a huge importance for the IBM PC compatible platform, I'd like to quote
>it
>largely, but unfortunately I miss what maybe is the most important
>version: OS/2 1.1, the first operating system for PC with a GUI, the
>first OS/2 with Presentation Manager.
>
>I would like to write an original article on it and take some
>screenshots of OS/2 1.1 with my camera.
>
>If someone please can supply me that version (which is, I suppose, about
>4 or 5 5.25 disks) I will be very grateful;

OS/2 v1.1 Extended Edition was my my first copy of OS/2 - it came on around
15-20 3.25 ins disks AFAICR. 

>really want my teachers
>give OS/2 the importance and the respect that it deserves. Thanks in
>advance
>
>I am sorry for any off-topic generated but I really need your help.
>
>Best regards,
>Nino Solazzo
>
>P.S. Please, answer me only if you have the 1.1 version. I am not a
>collector so I am not interested in any other 1.x versions. Thanks
>again.
>
>
>
>
--
John

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From: tonyi@attglobal.net                               06-Dec-99 19:15:28
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 21:20:28
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: "Tony Ingenoso" <tonyi@attglobal.net>

Warp 3 had a major page tuning effort done to it.  All aspects of the system
were reworked with respect to locked memory usage and working set.

However, IMO 2.11 is somewhat faster in unconstrained environments.

 Tony

John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote in message
news:82hc4a$gdl$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...
> Lorne Sunley (lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca) wrote:
>
> : On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:10:06, aljohnson@centuryinter.net wrote:
>
> : > What is the minimal and optimal amounts of memory required to run the
> : > various flavors of OS/2 from 2.11, 3, 4 and beyond.  Please email me
and
> : > let me know.  Hoping that I might be able to run on a machine I have.
>
> : OS/2 2.11 4 to 16 Mbyte
> : OS/2 3 8 to 16 Mbyte
>
> Sort of.  OS/2 2.11 never treated memory as well as Warp 3 did,
> at least that is what it says in the OS/2 Unleashed book.  OS/2 Warp 3
> with 4 MB of RAM the author said felt like OS/2 2.11 with 8 MB of RAM or
> something to that effect.  Something about Warp 3 handling memory much
> better than 2.X series.
>


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From: tholenAntiSpam@hawaii.edu                         06-Dec-99 23:40:17
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 21:20:28
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: tholenAntiSpam@hawaii.edu

A. Willard Reese wrote:

> I'm considering buying a Yamaha  6x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW kit with
> an Adaptec PCI SCSI interface card to run on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11,
> system. Can anyone tell me their experience with such a setup?

I'm using a Yamaha 4x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW and an Adaptec PCI SCSI
interface card on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11 system.  Virtually identical to
your system.  Works great with the RSJ software.

> How about drivers for OS2?

No problem.

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From: cbloyd@compuserve.com                             06-Dec-99 16:03:06
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 21:20:29
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: "Carroll Bloyd" <cbloyd@compuserve.com>

> OS/2 4.5 (WSeB) 64 to 128 Mbyte

I have Warp 3installed on one system (9533) and Warp 4 installed on two
systems (9577, 9595), but I've not heard of OS/2 4.5 (WSeB).  Is this the
Aurora server or something else?

Thanks,

Carroll



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From: mthiv@znetrover.com                               07-Dec-99 00:22:18
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 21:20:29
Subj: Re: Microtek X6EL SCSI Scanner

From: mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.)

Thanks for the information. I'd contacted cfm twain and a driver for 
the Microtek X6 is supposed to be release this month. Good news for 
me.

Bye

No-spam delete the 'z'

Martin Thivierge
Quebec, Canada

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From: glend@nospam.direct.ca                            06-Dec-99 15:36:12
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 21:20:29
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Glenn Davies <glend@nospam.direct.ca>

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:14:24 -0700, "Steven C. Britton"
<sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote:

>Glenn Davies wrote:
>
>> >3.  the exclusive control of something.
>> >
>> >Nope, not that either.
>>
>> Sure - exclusive control of Window related products and technologies.
>
>What the hell are Quattro Pro, Netscape, and Lotus?

One's a spreadsheet app, the other two are subsidiary companies to
larger tech companies. None are the equivalent to MS Window's and
related technologies - that after all is the focus of the issue.

>> It's a fact that you're just going to have to except. The US legal
>> definition of "monopoly" is not the same as the commmon dictionary
>> definition. Just pretend they're are two different words.
>
>They certainly are two different worlds.  One is correct, the other isn't.
>I trust the Random House Dictionary far more than the US Justice Department.

There are ten's of thousands (probably in the 100,000's) perfectly
expectable English words and definitions not listed in your version of
the Random House Dictionary. Maybe you can find a condensed, pocket
version with fewer words so it will be easier for you to always be
"correct".

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From: glend@nospam.direct.ca                            06-Dec-99 16:00:15
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 21:20:29
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Glenn Davies <glend@nospam.direct.ca>

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:43:10 -0700, "Steven C. Britton"
<sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote:

>Mike Trettel wrote:
>> >
>> >They certainly are two different worlds.  One is correct, the other
>isn't.
>> >I trust the Random House Dictionary far more than the US Justice
>Department.
>>
>> That's nice, but which one actually applies to the situation at hand?  Do
>> you really think that Judge Jackson used the Random House definition, or
>> the well settled definition present in US law?
>
>On that point, I will not disagree.  However, I do disagree with the law as
>it is written -- which has been my point from day one.
>
>> The RH definition is irrelevant.  It doesn't matter in the slightest.
>
>Sure it does: it is the _correct_ definition of monopoly.  Just because a
>bunch of political activists wrote a law to ensure that people get punished
>for being successful doesn't mean that they're correct.

No, it's one publishers condensed definintion of an word - hardly the
all encompasing, last statement on how the word is used in the English
language.

>
>> Here's a US judge with 30 years experience, offering an analysis based
>> upon 78 days of testimony from two opposing points of view, in an area of
>> US law with over 100 years of legal precedent.
>
>Here's a leftist US judge, who, like those who brought the "charges" against
>Microsoft to this kangaroo court, is jealous of people who do business well,
>and want a slice of the pie.  Yep, I can also see him deliberately choosing
>to use the flawed and incorrect definition of monopoly.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean he is
"leftist". Judge Jackson is known as a conservative, and was an Reagan
appointee who has decided to uphold US law - isn't that what
conservative judges are supposed to do? I thought it was the liberal
ones who used the bench to override the legislature and rewrite laws
they don't agree.

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               06-Dec-99 22:01:02
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:17
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:


>You often complain about people not viserally hating Microsoft as bad as
>you do?

No. It about the continuing inability and/or refusal of you and few others
here to see reality and to use Humpty Dumpty definitions for the words you
choose to use. You (and others here) are not seeking truth, your searching
for others to agree with some pretty ignorant positions that you insist on
keeping. 

--- the more interesting question is why you think you're going to people
who agree with you on an OS2 forum. 

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: jim.danvers@mindex.com                            06-Dec-99 22:03:07
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:17
Subj: Re: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>

I don't really know a ton about OS/2 (matter 'o fact I don't hardly know
anything about it!), but I have recently installed it on a box @work and
have been playing  / experimenting with it for the last couple of
days....   Anyhow - with respect to your JetAdmin s/w question - I have
heard of many a bad experience with jetadmin in the NT world also (which
is what I deal with @work) - my solution is to use a protocol called
"DLC" to talk to the jetdirect devices that we have on our network.  It
will ~only~ work with jetdirect devices though (w/respect to using it as
a printing protocol).  Bear in mind that DLC is non-routable, so if you
need to access a printer on the other side of a router it ain't gonna
work for you.  I dunno if OS/2 has an equivilent to DLC, but thats my
.02 cents worth anyway.  Hope its good for something....  {shrug
shoulders}

-=- J.D. -=-


Mark Mellin wrote:

> Any ideas on how to connect/configure Warp4 as the print server on
> a HP LaserJet4 using HP's JetDirect card across a 10-BaseT peer
> network with TCP/IP ??
>
> I couldn't & didn't find any JetDirect software for OS/2 on HP's
> or IBM's driver site(s).
>
> My telenet'd config for the Jetdirect card is as follows:
>
> ===JetDirect Telnet Configuration===
>
>         Configured Parameters
>         IP Address      : 192.168.1.5
>         Subnet Mask     : 255.255.255.0
>         Default Gateway : 192.168.1.5
>         Syslog Server   : 192.168.1.1
>         Idle Timeout    : 90 Seconds
>
> Everything seems to be connected and working properly...
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Mark

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From: possum@tree.branch                                07-Dec-99 02:53:11
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: possum@tree.branch (Mike Trettel)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:43:10 -0700, Steven C. Britton <sbritton@cadvision.com>
 wrote:
>Mike Trettel wrote:

>> That's nice, but which one actually applies to the situation at hand?  Do
>> you really think that Judge Jackson used the Random House definition, or
>> the well settled definition present in US law?
>
>On that point, I will not disagree.  However, I do disagree with the law as
>it is written -- which has been my point from day one.

Then you'd better start up a lobbying effort to petition the US Congress
to change the law.  Really, I don't see why your opinion on this matter is
of any relevance unless you couple it with some sort of concrete action.
Even wiht being a Canadian national it's not impossible for you to join in
a lobbying effort of some sort.  Otherwise all your doing is pissin' and
moanin'. 
 >
>> The RH definition is irrelevant.  It doesn't matter in the slightest.
>
>Sure it does: it is the _correct_ definition of monopoly.  Just because a
>bunch of political activists wrote a law to ensure that people get punished
>for being successful doesn't mean that they're correct.

US antitrust law was not written by political activists!  It was written
by a bunch of hard nosed politicians and lawyers beginning 100 years ago
and has been in a state of constant evolution ever since.  You can't
change this fact by using the well worn technique of name calling-sorry.
>
>> Here's a US judge with 30 years experience, offering an analysis based
>> upon 78 days of testimony from two opposing points of view, in an area of
>> US law with over 100 years of legal precedent.
>
>Here's a leftist US judge, who, like those who brought the "charges" against
>Microsoft to this kangaroo court, is jealous of people who do business well,
>and want a slice of the pie.  Yep, I can also see him deliberately choosing
>to use the flawed and incorrect definition of monopoly.

Sigh.... the last thing Jackson is is a "liberal" (more name calling,
btw).  Jackson is a fairly conservative judge who is a card
carrying member of the Republican party, appointed to the DC Circuit by
that well known radical communist pinko Ronald Reagan, the scourge of
American business nationwide.  Jackson bent over backwards to allow
Microsoft to present their case fairly in court, and has been giving every
indication that he wants this case to be settled out of court via
arbitration by appointing a fellow traveller in the person of Richard
Posner to act as a mediator.  Posner is best known as being a member of
the Chicago school of antitrust law, is openly skeptical of the effect of
antitrust law in general, and is viewed as being more sympathetic towards
MS than the DOJ.  In other words, your screed is a distortion of what's
happened in court and is without merit.  Please adjust your reality
distortion field, it's beginning to rival Steve Job's in effect.
 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>What have YOU done to bust a union today?
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Work better: Work union-free.
>
>Steven C. Britton
>Calgary
>
>www.cadvision.com/sbritton
>
>
>


-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        07-Dec-99 02:04:09
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <384c52bd_1@news1.prserv.net>, "Tony Ingenoso" <tonyi@attglobal.net>
writes:
>Warp 3 had a major page tuning effort done to it.  All aspects of the system
>were reworked with respect to locked memory usage and working set.
>
>However, IMO 2.11 is somewhat faster in unconstrained environments.

That was not my experience at all. OS/2 v3 was so much faster than v2+.
The kernel itself was greatly reduced so didn't take up so much memory.

> Tony
>
--
John

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From: jim.danvers@mindex.com                            06-Dec-99 21:50:07
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>

Well I don't care what they say about you guys <grin>, ya'll seem to be
alright with me.  :)  I
guess that I should have been a little bit clearer when I referred to "the
problem" with OS/2
per Doug's earlier response - I was referencing "the Y2K" thing.  The
commercial apps (or lack
thereof, limitations / support, etc...) are all known quantities to me - I'm
unaware of "common
knowledge, or speculation on expected behaviour" of OS/2 post Jan. 1 '00
though. Hadn't thought
about it until Doug's post.  {shrug shoulders}

All in the info and guidance that you folks continue to provide is really
greatly appreciated!
Thanks much folks!

/* ... and now for a little OS/2 "humor" that I've sorta picked from lurking
in these groups:

I guess that I'm glad that there is no-one named "Tholen" or "Kelly" who have
chimed in (yet)!
(ducking!)
Maybe I'll regret this statement.....    :(  <grin>  */

-=- J.D. -=-

Will Rose wrote:

> [headers trimmed]
>
> In comp.os.os2.apps Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> wrote:
> : Doug. Lorne, et all...
>
> : Outstanding.  Thanks for the help and info.  The fixpack / device driver
fix packs split
> : more or lesss clears that one up.  (I was wondering about the "dd"
fixes... )
>
> : Doug:  What exactly (if ~exactly~ can be defined...) will be "the problem" 
with respect to
> : OS/2?  Are there known issues with it that are going to be more effectual
(in a negative
> : manner) on an OS/2 platformed box than on an MS based one (any variant of
9x - NT)?  Known
> : issues in a ~positive~ manner?
>
> OS/2 is pretty mature and solid - however, it lacks device drivers for
> modern and peculiar equipment (IBM still produces upgrades for common
> stuff) and IBM really dislikes home OS/2 users.  (They aren't too keen
> on commercial OS/2 users, either).  This lends a certain spice ...
>
> Hobbes is major OS/2 resource; get the Hobbes CDROM(s) from Walnut
> Creek, tho' that is (AFAIK) a slightly different set of files to
> the currrent Hobbes.  Anyway, the current version is essential.
>
> The weak heel of OS/2, so far as there is one, is its .ini files.
> On FAT they are a real pain; run HPFS file systems, with a small
> C: partition for any MS stuff that _must_ be on FAT.  However,
> they still need cleaning out from time to time, and there are
> several freeware utilities that will do this.  I use the commercial
> Unimaint, which is clunky but worth the money.
>
> The other thing that needs maintenance/archiving is the desktop. If
> that gets blown away, it's a pain to restore.  Again, I use Unimaint
> for this; DeskMan/2 is better, but desktops are all it does.  There's
> probably freeware stuff as well.
>
> A process-killer like Process Commander used to be essential, and is
> still nice to have; PC won't run out of the box on Warp 4 FP 12, but
> you can get it to run - there are also a lot of freeware process
> killers around.
>
> Finally, there are several backup solutions.  I use BA/2 Pro with a 4G
> T4 (on an all-SCSI machine) and like it, tho' its catalog handling could
> be improved.
>
> Note that OS/2 will handle Windows stuff pretty well, _execept_ for the
> most recent Win32; MS managed to break Win-OS2 after several attempts,
> and IBM haven't tried to fix it.
>
> As far as Fixpacks are concerned, I ran Warp 3.0 FP 22 until a month
> or two ago when I upgraded to FP 40: the machine did all I wanted it
> to.  OS/2 3.0 and 4.0 are pretty stable after the first few fixpacks.
> (Note that fixpack numbers jump - 5 to 9 to 17 to 22, as I recall,
> for 3.0.  The "missing" fixpacks are IBM internal release only).
>
> You _must_ check the .de site (named elsewhere in this thread, and I
> can't find my reference) for Fixpack applicability outside the base
> OS.   Finding the relevant fixpack is otherwise a nightmare.
>
> Oh, and for OS/2 software, check Indelible Blue first.
>
> Will
> cwr@crash.cts.com

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From: larso@commodore.                                  07-Dec-99 01:26:05
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Glen D write:
> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 06:43:37, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
> 
> > As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Glen D write:
> > > On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:51:46, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
> > 
> > > > I want to buy Windows with Office included for $0.02.
> > > > MS wants to sell me Windows for $18,000,000, with Office for an
additional
> > > > 12 million bucks.
> > > > 
> > > Just out of interest, what would you do if Microsoft did indeed do 
> > > that?
> > 
> > Uhh....not by Microsoft products?  Same as if all consumers demanded less
> > than a pence for a sale, Microsoft wouldn't sell it.
> > 
> Would you switch to an alternate OS

I'm _using_ an alternate OS.


-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  07-Dec-99 01:33:10
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
> On <384b123f$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, on 12/05/99 at 08:32 PM,
>    letoured@nospam.net said to larso:
> 
> > Microsoft signed contracts.  That's about it.  They never sent a private
> > >army anywhere.
> 
> > In violation of US law! Are you capable of understand that or are you
> > retarded??
> 
> The best thing is to ignore this assinine troll. I logged onto his website
> which is loaded with wierd crap advocating all sorts of suspect
> organizations. I have had a very interesting conversation with the
> authorities at University of Alberta and Mr. larso may well be gone very
> soon.

You often complain about people not viserally hating Microsoft as bad as you
do?


-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: isaacl@jazz.ece.ubc.ca                            07-Dec-99 00:35:13
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: IBM U.S. Announcement Letter

From: isaacl@jazz.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Martin Brown (martin.brown@pandora.be) wrote:

: Timothy Sipples wrote:

: > Martin Brown wrote:
: > > Bob Germer wrote:
: > > > They support everything they sell until marketing decides they can
milk
: > > > the sheep into buying upgrades into which they put code to break the
older
: > > > applications.

: > > MS aren't the only ones to do that. There are still some old but still
useful 16bit OS/2
: > > applications in use out there that will not run on Warp 4 due to
"improvements" in the PM > API.
: >
: > Such as?

: I am not at liberty to name the applications affected.  It is a fair bet
though that some of the
: people making a fuss about Warp 3 disappearing have such applications in
use.
: A partial description of one such API related issue is at:

:     http://www.sundialsystems.com/gpiproblem.html

: But there are others using certain old 16 bit structures which die with
interesting faults like
: SYS-3182 FP stack exception in PMMERGE when run under inappropriate versions 
of OS/2.

I can't speak for other apps, since I haven't encountered any, but the
page mentioned above at Sundial Systems would seem to imply that the
changes in Warp 4 are merely enforcing good programming practice.

Yes, this does break some functionality, which is a bad thing, especiially
when source code is not available. But trading off to enforce good
programming is reasonable I think.
(And it may be that this was enforced to get rid of other more serious
bugs. Who knows?)


Isaac

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                06-Dec-99 21:00:21
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-jHJs7d3eEP2L@dialup205.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
on 12/06/99 
   at 11:24 AM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:

>On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:37:29, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

>> All,
>> 
><snip> 

>> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get on-line. 
>> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.
>> 
>Since I have a LS-120 working fine under Warp4 with FP12 I thought I  may
>be able to help.  Where does the drive fail to boot?  I hate to  ask the
>obvious but does your BIOS support booting from a LS-120?

Boots IBM PC-DOS from it just fine without any drivers.  Same for Caldera
DOS.  Same for Lose98. 

Yes it supports booting from it.

The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging or
rebooting the machine.

According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known problem,
but they shipped "support" for it anyway.

Roland

>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>> -- 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
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".illegaltospam"
>>                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
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>Glen D
>-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-
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From: letoured@nospam.net                               06-Dec-99 21:30:03
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: letoured@nospam.net

 jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) said:

Were you born an asshole or is it something you acquired?  

-- You said I could buy a tier-one PC without windows. 
** I asked where? 
-- You responded it was my fault.

Again, where do I find a tier-one (any brand) PC without windoze. Come on
big boy, you can tell us. We want the number to order one. You must have
it, you said we don't have to buy windoze so give me the number -- unless
of course your full of shit right up to your eyeballs. 



>>>>letoured@nospam.net
>>>>Assembling a computer without buying wincrap is one thing. Buying a
>>>>teir-one machine -- which most business in the US buy is impossible
>>>>without paying for wincrap.

>>>This is, of course, not true.

>>>Obviously, you know nothing about the computer marketplace. The fact that
>>>you're unable to do something that many others routinely do demonstrates
>>>your incompetence and ignorance.

>>I'll bite. Lets see if you're all bull shit or if you know something---
>>give us telephone numbers to order say a IBM TP 600E without paying for
>>windows?

>If IBM won't sell you what you want, why are you foolishly buying IBM
>products???

>I see the problem now, and it's you.
_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              07-Dec-99 03:47:04
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Long file names

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

	Can someone tell me how I can get long filenames (with spaces in
them) from Win95 FAT16 partition to OS2 on an HPFS partition on the
same hard drive. 
	I have a cdrom with over 150 *.TIF files with long filenames that OS2
refuses to read.  Win95 reads them and downloads them just fine into a
FAT partition.  If I copy them from the Fat partition into OS2 all the
filenames are truncated (xxxxx~1.tif). Is there any  way that I can
copy these files, with the long filenames intact, from that FAT
partition into OS2 without renaming every file?
	I'm appreciative of any help or suggestions you might offer.  I'm
really stumped.
Willard

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From: tonyi@attglobal.net                               06-Dec-99 23:06:28
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: "Tony Ingenoso" <tonyi@attglobal.net>

*UNCONSTRAINED*

When Warp was released, few if any machines had enough memory to run
unconstrained save for a few high end servers and such.  32M of memory was
virtually unheard of at the time.

 Tony

John Poltorak <jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk> wrote in message
news:384c6b22.0@katana.legend.co.uk...
> In <384c52bd_1@news1.prserv.net>, "Tony Ingenoso" <tonyi@attglobal.net>
writes:
> >Warp 3 had a major page tuning effort done to it.  All aspects of the
system
> >were reworked with respect to locked memory usage and working set.
> >
> >However, IMO 2.11 is somewhat faster in unconstrained environments.
>
> That was not my experience at all. OS/2 v3 was so much faster than v2+.
> The kernel itself was greatly reduced so didn't take up so much memory.
>
> > Tony
> >
> --
> John


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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                06-Dec-99 21:04:23
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Best SCSI cards for OS/2

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <82gvcf$e4j$1@supernews.com>, on 12/05/99 
   at 05:44 PM, "John Sanderson" <john@sanderon.org.uk> said:

>I use an ADAPTEC Ultra wide PDI Card and have never had any problems with
>it or with drivers.


SIIG makes an excellent (and compatible) SCSI card.

Roland

>John Roenigk <roenigk@ibm.net> wrote in message
>news:375A651C.CF65F37B@ibm.net...
>> I am preparing a new machine to do scanning and need to install a SCSI
>> card. Which SCSI cards are known to be OS/2 Warp 4 compatible? Which
>> would be most highly recommended (and why)? Help appreciated...
>>
>> John Roenigk
>>


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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                06-Dec-99 21:03:14
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <384BBCE9.9D04AA58@isomedia.com>, on 12/06/99 
   at 08:40 AM, "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com> said:



>yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> After weeks of attempting to deal with the worst FP of Warp ever released
>> I have finally kissed it off.  Not exactly the kiss off I wished though
>> since IBM has thoughtfully removed the RSU for English FP9 (second
>> release), the last known working version of the Warp fixpaks.

>Sorry you are having problems but I have to say that I have been using FP
>12 with no problems thus far.  Did you also apply the device driver
>fixpack No. 1?  Fixpack 12 does not include device driver updates
>(neither does FP 11) since IBM elected to provide separate fixpacks for
>device drivers.  

Yes

>> 
>> The bugs in FP12 are too numerous and frustrating to name here.  I have
>> long ago tired of filling out bug reports with IBM that just get round
>> filed as major issues never get fixed.  Not having a sound card under OS/2
>> anymore was a real pisser, but still not being able to boot from the
>> LS-120 was highly offensive.  Almost as offensive as the comment from a
>> developer here which basically said "I had machines here at the office it
>> wouldn't boot on, but released the code anyway."  This developer should
>> have a long and wonderfull career at either Stardock or CDS where the
>> shrink wrap goes on before the quality goes in.
>> 
>> FP12's final nail in the coffin is a wonderfull bug.  Leave either the
>> latest Netscape or pretty much any version of MR/2 Ice up.  Let the IBM
>> dark screen saver kick in for a while.  When you return you will notice
>> that your screen interaction has slowed way down.  Background tasks (like
>> FTP's and such) seem to run just fine, but anything writing to the screen
>> runs like molases up a hill in winter.  The farther up the hill it gets
>> the slower it goes.  Eventually you end up having to hard boot even AFTER
>> you have managed to shoot all applications.  Standard shut down simply
>> won't work.  About the third time this situation happens you won't reboot.
>> PMWP.DLL will be gone.
>> 
>> As a software developer for many years on several different platforms I am
>> aghast something like this got shipped.  It is _inconceivable_ that a
>> dynamic link runtime module would have its file opened in Write/Modify
>> (w,d) mode.  The file should _never_ be opened in a mode other than
>> Read/Execute (r,e) no matter what the OS is, when doing a run time bind.
>> Replacing the file with an older version from FP8 backup directory curred
>> the problem.  This gives mild comfort in knowing they didn't bugger the
>> disk cache beyond recognition, flushing dynamic link files (corrupted by
>> bugs in the module) back to disk...or did they?  Since the older module
>> doesn't have the bugs I wouldn't know if it was getting flushed to disk.
>> If you are reading IBM developers I certainly hope your cache has at least
>> two distinct regions.  1) write/flushable  2) read-only, nonflushed.  Upon
>> shutdown, the contents of this second cache are simply discarded.  All
>> dynamic links should be read into this second region.
>> 
>> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get on-line.
>> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.

>Every OS/2 v4 fixpack from 1 thru 12 is available on Hobbes at:

>http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-browse?sh=1&dir=/pub/os2/system/patches/fixpa
ck/warp_4

>By way of suggestion, occasionally when people apply a fixpack, they do
>see problems such as you are apparently finding.  The Corrective Service
>Tool provides a way to archive the files which are updated and reinstall
>them if the new fixpack is not acceptable.  It is always a good idea to
>use this feature to prevent being committed to a fixpack which creates
>problems.  The help in the Corrective Service Tool program has more on
>this.

I know.  This is not the first fp I've applied.

>> 
>> Personally I don't think you could have killed Warp more if you officially
>> announced the product was dropped.
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
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From: JSeder-nospam@syntel.com                          06-Dec-99 19:22:01
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: No 'Install.exe' file in Javaswng.zip

From: Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com>

Don't unzip this file.  Just put it somewhere handy (like \java11\swing)
and add it to your CLASSPATH.  

If you have Java 1.1.8, you shouldn't need this - the swing classes are
automatically installed as swing.jar and swingall.jar in \java11\swing,
and the installation program adds swingall.jar to the classpath.

If I have this wrong, well, I hope someone provides the straight poop
pronto.


Jay Withee wrote:
> 
> I downloaded the 'Javaswng.zip' file from IBM. Usually, their java
> packages are self-extracting, using the -di -ov options. This was a
> zipfile. I used PKUnzip for OS/2 (pkos2250.exe) to unzip, with the
> following command:
> 
> pkzip /extract /directories javaswng.zip
> 
> Well, it appeared that all went well: files were extracted,
> subdirectories (swing-1.1ibm, et. al.) were created. I noticed the
> absence of an installation executable, but figured the readme would
> detail a manual configuration. It didn't. It mentioned command-line and
> WPS installation procedures, both dependent upon an <install.exe> file.
> And, as the title of this message indicates, such a file was absent.
> 
> Did I unzip it wrong? Is the file corrupt? Any help anyone can offer
> will be appreciated.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Jay

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             06-Dec-99 20:25:20
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Long file names

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <0r%24.16654$Tp.686005@typ11.nn.bcandid.com>, on 12/07/99

   at 03:47 AM, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)
said:

>Can someone tell me how I can get long filenames (with
>spaces in them) from Win95 FAT16 partition to OS2 on an
>HPFS partition on the same hard drive. 

Can you ZIP them in Win95 then UNZIP them in OS/2?

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: admin@hotmail.com                                 07-Dec-99 05:06:13
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Win 32 problems

From: admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

I just installed a program that installed Win32's v1.30 (Fontographer 
4.1)  When
I tried to run it I get page overflow errors (win32s16.dll).  Is there
anything
I can do about it?

Edmond Dantes
phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     06-Dec-99 22:09:19
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


"Steven C. Britton" wrote:

> josco wrote:
> > >
> > > Monopoly:
> > >
> > > 1.  exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market,
> or
> > > a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.
> > >
> > > Microsoft does not enjoy either of those two controls.
> >
> > I would have thought the Judges' finding of fact would be sufficent but I
> > guess his legal conclusions are not as important as your opinion.
> > http://www.sjmercury.com/business/microsoft/trial/finding.htm
>
> When the judge is fundamentally wrong in his definition, his report becomes
> "findings of fiction".

"When the Judge is wrong"    In this case he isn't going to be dethroned by a
pocket dictionary.


> The bottom line is that Microsoft's request to have the case dismissed out
> of hand was "laughed out of court" because the court had probably already
> decided on the outcome: that Microsoft was guilty of being successful and
> therefore must be punished.

We would call that reasoning "paranoia."


> I've posted the definition of monopoly.  It's nice to see that you choose to
> ignore it.
>
> So much for your grasp on reality.

Don't show too much frustration, it only encourages people.

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     06-Dec-99 22:14:18
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 1.1

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


John Poltorak wrote:

> In <384C322F.AB9FA885@usa.net>, Nino <1979j@usa.net> writes:
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I would like to write an original article on it and take some
> >screenshots of OS/2 1.1 with my camera.
> >
> >If someone please can supply me that version (which is, I suppose, about
> >4 or 5 5.25 disks) I will be very grateful;
>
> OS/2 v1.1 Extended Edition was my my first copy of OS/2 - it came on around
> 15-20 3.25 ins disks AFAICR.

OS/2 EE was the higher end edition of OS/2 for database and server work (most
like Windows NT Advance Server was to the Windows NT Workstation) OS/2 EE
would
be many more disks.

I have long discarded my OS/2 1.0 and 1.1 disks.  I recall two sleeves to hold
them in the IBM manual.  I guess 1.1 would be under or near 8 disks

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              07-Dec-99 05:16:26
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Long file names

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


"A. Willard Reese" wrote:
> 
>         I have a cdrom with over 150 *.TIF files with long filenames that
OS2
> refuses to read.  Win95 reads them and downloads them just fine into a
> FAT partition.  If I copy them from the Fat partition into OS2 all the
> filenames are truncated (xxxxx~1.tif). Is there any  way that I can
> copy these files, with the long filenames intact, from that FAT
> partition into OS2 without renaming every file?
>
  You may need to get a recent version of the CDROM driver for os/2, the
one that adds Joliet support. Or maybe you just need to add the /w
switch to the existing driver:

ifs=c:\os2\cdfs.ifs /w

  Or you could archive them in Windows, using PKZIP, and unzip them in
os/2....

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
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From: ppridgen@OregonVOS.net                            06-Dec-99 21:47:12
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: SYS 02069 error

From: Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net>

I was recently trying to install the warp32s to my warp v3 setup and it
appears after doing so that I now have a problem. I can't get warp to
load. It tells me to fix the above error and restart. Okay...but what does
the above error mean. The manuals, and such that I have looked through so
far do not give me this error number as a reference. What do I need to do
to fix this?

Thanks for any, and all assistance in this matter.

--
Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
Linux - OS/2 dual boot. Win what?

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              07-Dec-99 05:12:11
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Best SCSI cards for OS/2

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


John Roenigk <roenigk@ibm.net> wrote in message
news:375A651C.CF65F37B@ibm.net...
> I am preparing a new machine to do scanning and need to install a SCSI
> card. Which SCSI cards are known to be OS/2 Warp 4 compatible? Which
> would be most highly recommended (and why)? Help appreciated...
>
    Buy a Tekram without a BIOS (about $60). Tekram is a very good SCSI
adapter, espescially for os/2.
    DPT makes good SCSI adapters, also. (No direct experience, though.
Just what others say.)
    I believe you can still find adaptec's aha2600 (I think). It's a
real low end adapter. Don't bother with the 2940 or 3940; the pricing is
way too high ($250 - $400) particularily for a scanning application.
    If you are planning on adding hard drives to the SCSI bus as well,
get either a Tekram with BIOS, or a Mylex (nee: Buslogic). Both are
equal to the high end adaptecs, actively support os/2, and have stable
drivers.

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          07-Dec-99 08:38:28
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>letoured@nospam.net
>Again, where do I find a tier-one (any brand) PC without windoze. Come on
>big boy, you can tell us. We want the number to order one. You must have
>it, you said we don't have to buy windoze so give me the number -- unless
>of course your full of shit right up to your eyeballs. 

And you don't have to buy Windows. Here's your first clue: You don't
have to buy IBM either. IBM is just a Microsoft VAR when it comes to
PC's. IBM sells the computers that way because IBM truly believes that
this is the only thing that customers want, and which IBM wants to
sell. If that's not what you want, then don't buy from a company which
expects you to want that.

>>>>>letoured@nospam.net
>>>>>Assembling a computer without buying wincrap is one thing. Buying a
>>>>>teir-one machine -- which most business in the US buy is impossible
>>>>>without paying for wincrap.
>
>>>>This is, of course, not true.
>
>>>>Obviously, you know nothing about the computer marketplace. The fact that
>>>>you're unable to do something that many others routinely do demonstrates
>>>>your incompetence and ignorance.
>
>>>I'll bite. Lets see if you're all bull shit or if you know something---
>>>give us telephone numbers to order say a IBM TP 600E without paying for
>>>windows?
>
>>If IBM won't sell you what you want, why are you foolishly buying IBM
>>products???
>
>>I see the problem now, and it's you.
>_____________
>Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: s135989@studenti.ing.unipi.it                     07-Dec-99 09:26:29
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: Mentore #cat# Siesto <s135989@studenti.ing.unipi.it>

On 6 Dec 1999 tholenAntiSpam@hawaii.edu wrote:

+A. Willard Reese wrote:
+
+> I'm considering buying a Yamaha  6x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW kit with
+> an Adaptec PCI SCSI interface card to run on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11,
+> system. Can anyone tell me their experience with such a setup?
+
+I'm using a Yamaha 4x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW and an Adaptec PCI SCSI
+interface card on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11 system.  Virtually identical to
+your system.  Works great with the RSJ software.
+
I got a Yamaha 6416 SCSI connected to an Adaptec UW 2940 adapter. It works
really fine with CDRecord /2 1.8a24b and newer releases. And it's fast,
too!

Mentore

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From: john@sanderon.org.uk                              05-Dec-99 17:44:22
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: Best SCSI cards for OS/2

From: "John Sanderson" <john@sanderon.org.uk>

I use an ADAPTEC Ultra wide PDI Card and have never had any problems with it
or with drivers.

John Roenigk <roenigk@ibm.net> wrote in message
news:375A651C.CF65F37B@ibm.net...
> I am preparing a new machine to do scanning and need to install a SCSI
> card. Which SCSI cards are known to be OS/2 Warp 4 compatible? Which
> would be most highly recommended (and why)? Help appreciated...
>
> John Roenigk
>


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From: larso@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca                         07-Dec-99 09:04:24
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: White Thunder <larso@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>

Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:
>    letoured@nospam.net said to larso:
>
> > In violation of US law! Are you capable of understand that or are
> > you retarded??
>
> The best thing is to ignore this assinine troll. I logged onto his
> website which is loaded with wierd crap advocating all sorts of
> suspect organizations.

No, CFRN television is a real organization.  I hate to frighten you
like that.

> I have had a very interesting conversation with the authorities at
> University of Alberta and Mr. larso may well be gone very soon.

Oh, did they enjoy the part where you were confused about which person
was which, when you sent them other people's posts asking them who I
was?

And when you said that your complaint was that I was "a Canuck" who was
daring to challenge the assumptions behind a piece of legislation
in...gosh darn it...a foreign country?

I'll bet too that they were thrilled that you sent a parcel to the
highest echelons of administration, asking them to do the work that you
could have done with a few minutes of work, a modem, and a cerebral
lobe or two?

--
Lars Ormberg
larso@ualberta.ca
http://go.to/larso/

"I'm on a plane with cocaine, and yes I'm all lit up again"


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dun...               07-Dec-99 10:01:04
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: Best SCSI cards for OS/2

Message sender: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk

From: Charles Christacopoulos <c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk>

James Moe wrote:
> 
> John Roenigk <roenigk@ibm.net> wrote in message
> news:375A651C.CF65F37B@ibm.net...
>     DPT makes good SCSI adapters, also. (No direct experience, though.
> Just what others say.)
DPT work.  Especially the previous generation.  current generation needs
I2O drivers which I only tested in theior beta form but they did not
work.  IBM has released final version of I2O drivers but I have not
tested.

current range somehow runs without I2O drivers.

charles

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http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
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From: mbatey@cixno.spamco.uk                            06-Dec-99 22:13:20
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: mbatey@cixno.spamco.uk (Maurice Batey)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:01:02, stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au 
(stephen) wrote:

> I use the one bookmark file in both 2.02 and 4.61. That way it does 
> not matter which one I am running, 

Thanks, Stephen. 
What level of WARP does 4.6.1. need? (I'm on WARP4 + FP6.)

Maurice Batey
(Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        07-Dec-99 12:27:23
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: SYS 02069 error

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <Pine.SUN.3.96.991206214422.1838B-100000@compass.OregonVOS.net>, Pat
Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net> writes:
>
>I was recently trying to install the warp32s to my warp v3 setup and it
>appears after doing so that I now have a problem. I can't get warp to
>load. It tells me to fix the above error and restart. Okay...but what does
>the above error mean. The manuals, and such that I have looked through so
>far do not give me this error number as a reference. What do I need to do
>to fix this?

C:\>help 2069

SYS2069: The country information file *** specified in
the *** statement on line *** of the CONFIG.SYS file is incorrect.

EXPLANATION: The specified file is not a valid country information
file or the file has been damaged.

ACTION: Perform one of the following actions and restart the system:
o  Edit the CONFIG.SYS file to correct or remove the COUNTRY statement.
o  Install the correct country information file.




>Thanks for any, and all assistance in this matter.
>
>--
>Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
>LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
>Linux - OS/2 dual boot. Win what?
>
--
John

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From: ivaes@hr.nl                                       07-Dec-99 14:26:16
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Illya Vaes <ivaes@hr.nl>

Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
>>>Unless government gives it a hand, a business cannot become a monopoly.
>>Again the question. The U.S. Government does not establish monopolies.
>Right now, there are 3 examples that come to mind of monopolies I live 
>under:
>- Cable television.  Under the CRTC, Edmonton has 2 cable companies. One is
>only allowed to sell on the east side of town, the other only on the west

In other words:
If you want to live in East Edmonton, you have to accept getting company A.
Hey, that's no monopoly, if you want company B, you can just go live in West
Edmonton.

If you change a few words, you've just given an excellent example of MS'
"monopoly" (quoted just for your sense of redefinition to suit the outcome),
especially in the period leading up to the DOJ suit:

If you want to get (name a brand) PC, you have to accept getting Windows (and
other MS stuff).
Hey, that's no monopoly, if you want Linux (or DR-DOS, or OS/2, or an Apple),
you can just go to El Sleazo Noname Computer and have one built to your specs.

There's always an alternative. Stop watching cable. Stop living. Whatever.
Extreme definitions (of monopoly or other things) never help a case.
Oh wait, I see this also runs in "politics" groups...

-- 
Illya Vaes   (ivaes@hr.nl)        "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385           Not speaking for anyone but myself

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From: ivaes@hr.nl                                       07-Dec-99 14:40:29
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Illya Vaes <ivaes@hr.nl>

"Steven C. Britton" wrote:
>Joseph wrote:
>>>When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.
>>That definition of monopoly is incorrect.
>Monopoly:
>1. exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market, or
>a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.

Windows is a commodity.
MS certainly has a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices.
If you were interested in facts instead of void definition games, you'd know
that they used exactly that to force OEMs to only install Windows, and you'd
certainly have seen for yourself -before others pointed it out- that the price
of Windows etc. has stayed the same and even gone *up* while PC hardware
prices have only plummeted.

Ergo, MS satisfies the first condition of your completely random definition
(provided by linguists, notpeople knowledgabel in law).

>3.  the exclusive control of something.

The Windows API(s).
Which is rather important, seeing how they have a mono....eh.. "dominant"
position providing the basis for applications to run on. You don't behave
yourself the way they like (which may well include "staying alive" as a
company), your app will be made to not run or fail mysteriously.
"DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run".
 
>(Random House dictionary)

Well-named. Very random example. Take 10 dictionaries and get near 10
different explanations. Are you sure you didn't buy this just because it
features the definition of monopoly you wanted?

>What have YOU done to bust a union today?
>Work better: Work union-free.

Figures... completely ignores all good that unions have done in the past to
better the circumstances of good and hard-working people. Just wait till you
get bumped off because you used a definition of something to your boss he
didn't like (and no welfare either!). But you sound more like you *are* the
boss that would do exactly that with people whose families depend on that
meager income. "Hey, he can always move across Canada and get a job there;
we're the only company in this town but we don't have a monopoly in jobs".

And such "all for one and God for all" people dare to use the term
"society"...

-- 
Illya Vaes   (ivaes@hr.nl)        "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385           Not speaking for anyone but myself

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     07-Dec-99 06:33:24
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


Illya Vaes wrote:

> "Steven C. Britton" wrote:
> >Joseph wrote:
> >>>When competition exists, it isn't a monopoly.  Period.
> >>That definition of monopoly is incorrect.
> >Monopoly:
> >1. exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market, or
> >a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.
>
> Windows is a commodity.

[..]

> Ergo, MS satisfies the first condition of your completely random definition
> (provided by linguists, notpeople knowledgabel in law).

Never mind - he said it wasn't and that is that !

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me how 1-800-555-1212."
or visit the web page @
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034540095X/qid=944576950/sr=1-27/104-784
9356-7931655

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by Susan Randol (Editor), Carol G. Braham (Editor), Random House
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Dec-99 09:28:02
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <dpfo4skmpjhqu6no0sbt6npr44snsdng67@4ax.com>, on 12/06/99 at 03:36 PM,
   Glenn Davies <glend@nospam.direct.ca> said:

> There are ten's of thousands (probably in the 100,000's) perfectly
> expectable English words and definitions not listed in your version of
> the Random House Dictionary. Maybe you can find a condensed, pocket
> version with fewer words so it will be easier for you to always be
> "correct".

Of course you are right and the two idiots from Alberta are either truly
dense or badly in need of medication. That is why there are legal
dictionaries because words in common usage have much different meanings in
law in many instances. I cited the definition from the most complete
dictionary of the English language published in England by Oxford. It
specifically includes the legal definition as part of the principal
definition of the word.

In case the idiots from Canada want to check, I included the page number
and column of the definition from my edition. The jacket, incidently,
claims that it includes usage definitions for the US, Canada, Australia,
India, the Caribbean, South Africa, and New Zealand.


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From: josco@ibm.net                                     07-Dec-99 06:36:02
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


Illya Vaes wrote:

> Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> > As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
> >>>Unless government gives it a hand, a business cannot become a monopoly.
> >>Again the question. The U.S. Government does not establish monopolies.
> >Right now, there are 3 examples that come to mind of monopolies I live
> >under:
> >- Cable television.  Under the CRTC, Edmonton has 2 cable companies. One is
> >only allowed to sell on the east side of town, the other only on the west
>
> In other words:
> If you want to live in East Edmonton, you have to accept getting company A.
> Hey, that's no monopoly, if you want company B, you can just go live in West
> Edmonton.

Why do I get the feeling this Lars guy has moved so that he could save $5.99
(Canadian) on a cable subscription.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Dec-99 09:33:24
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384c2758_1@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/06/99 at 02:14 PM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

> They certainly are two different worlds.  One is correct, the other
> isn't. I trust the Random House Dictionary far more than the US Justice
> Department.

Please read my message to the other idiot here from Calgary where I quote
the first definition of monopoly from the Oxford which specifically states
what monopoly means in law.


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Dec-99 09:53:28
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384bea91_2@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/06/99 at 09:55 AM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:


> Monopoly:

> 1.  exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market,
> or a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.

> Microsoft does not enjoy either of those two controls.

It most certainly can and has manipulated prices. It forced Netscape to
give away its browser, for example because it stopped selling IE as a
separate program and bundled it with Windows 9x.

It tried to force Intuit out of business by giving away MicroSoft Money
when Quicken killed sales of Money by its superior features.


> (Random House dictionary)

Now go read any Legal Dictionary. Or read the New Shorter Oxford which
specifically includes the legal definition of monopoly in the English
speaking world.




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From: csaba_r@my-deja.com                               07-Dec-99 12:47:17
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Long file names

From: csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly)

areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) wrote in
<0r%24.16654$Tp.686005@typ11.nn.bcandid.com>: 

>     Can someone tell me how I can get long filenames (with spaces
>     in 
>them) from Win95 FAT16 partition to OS2 on an HPFS partition on the
>same hard drive. 
>     I have a cdrom with over 150 *.TIF files with long filenames
>     that OS2 
>refuses to read.  Win95 reads them and downloads them just fine into
>a FAT partition.  If I copy them from the Fat partition into OS2 all
>the filenames are truncated (xxxxx~1.tif). Is there any  way that I
>can copy these files, with the long filenames intact, from that FAT
>partition into OS2 without renaming every file?
>     I'm appreciative of any help or suggestions you might offer. 
>     I'm 
>really stumped.
>Willard
>
>

Can't you read the CD in OS/2 (remember the /W switch for CDFS.IFS)
Failing that, zip the tifs with WinZip or something similar, then copy 
the zipfile to OS/2. InfoZip's unzip can restore long filenames on 
HPFS.

Csaba
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From: rcrane@octa4.net.au                               07-Dec-99 13:01:15
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane)

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:44:51, larso@commodore. (Lars P 
Ormberg) wrote:

> Force, or coercion, is required to maintain a monopoly.  Nobody can use
> arbitrary force legally, except for government.
>  
> -- 
> Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
> mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
> The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/
> 

Do yourself a favour beg borrow or steal a reader on law and
read it.
Richard A Crane
Barrister & Solicitor
slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT 
octa4.net.au 
OR rcrane AT attglobal.net

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From: rcrane@octa4.net.au                               07-Dec-99 13:01:15
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: IBM U.S. Announcement Letter

From: rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:34:11, Martin Brown 
<martin.brown@pandora.be> wrote in part:

> I am not at liberty to name the applications affected.  
Well then why make accusations that you're not prepared to 
stand by?
You say IBM broke OS/2 16 bit applications than when someone
asks which ones come back with this (as quoted above) ??
As I see it if you want bitch about a product/problem here 
the least you ought be willing to do is back up your 
accusations - in the same forum you make them.
Or to put it another way, why should anyone think that this 
is anything more than anti-OS/2 trolling if you wont tell 
the full story?
Alternatively if your liberty is so constrained then why can
you complain about the problem at all?

Or bluntly "Put up or shut up."
Richard A Crane
Barrister & Solicitor
slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT 
octa4.net.au 
OR rcrane AT attglobal.net

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          07-Dec-99 13:33:12
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Lexmark Printer & PMV8005?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:11:22, "David T. Johnson" 
<djohnson@isomedia.com> wrote:

snip
> > 
> > This is an interesting report, but at least as far as WSeB's code
> > goes, installing Bidirectional printer support is an option during
> > Install, and includes a PAR1284.SYS driver.
> > 
> > I don't know if a different PARALLEL.PDR is installed or not, but in
> > any case I can't get BIDI working under WSeB, despite working
> > transparently under Win9x and previous Warp 3 and 4 installs to the
> > same hardware. So maybe I'll screw around with PRINT01.SYS a bit more?
> 
> The parallel.pdr file that I am using is dated 7/27/99 and was included
> in fixpak 12.  I don't have a par1284.sys file loaded.  The IBM
> bidirectional driver includes a par1284.sys file dated 2/4/97.  

I haven't looked at FP12, and so far there's no FP for WSeB.

Run "BLDLEVEL PARALLEL.PDR" and see what the output is for "File 
Version." These are the versions of the file that I have here.

11-15-96  16:52          28,416           0  parallel.pdr.923  -old 
BIDI package
 3-16-99   0:33          15,850           0  parallel.pdr.1493 -WSeB 
distribution
 9-29-99  12:11           7,796           0  parallel.pdr.8200
 9-29-99  12:11           7,796           0  PARALLEL.PDR.8255
 9-29-99  12:11          12,479           0  parallel.pdr.925
 9-29-99  12:11          15,848           0  parallel.pdr.932

The "14" prefix refers to WSeB builds. The "8" comes from Warp 3, the 
"9" comes from Warp 4. But they all seem to work the same on this 
system. When I wanted to enable BIDI printing on a Warp 3 system, I 
did have to use the one in the BIDI package.



-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 07-Dec-99 13:45:10
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> After weeks of attempting to deal with the worst FP of Warp ever released
> I have finally kissed it off.  Not exactly the kiss off I wished though
> since IBM has thoughtfully removed the RSU for English FP9 (second
> release), the last known working version of the Warp fixpacks.
> 
> The bugs in FP12 are too numerous and frustrating to name here.

Well, I ran Fixpack9 for a long time, and I must say
Fixpack12 was no improvement.
Although I can live with fixpack12 just fine (I must be
lucky).
Because I had trouble with the Netscape+Java(script) combo,
for some reason I figured FP12 would help.

One constant going from FP9 to FP12 is Mr/ICE.
I never leave Mr/ICE active together with any Win/Os or
ported win app, because I know it will hang the WPS sooner
or later.
[ported win apps: Lotus Smartsuite, Netscape (no JAVA)]

Another thing to avoid is to activate Java and/or Javascript
in Netscape.
As soon I have used Java and/or Javascript once, at some
point my OS will hang (not respond to keyboard or mouse) or
Netscape will take out a window-area of the (restarted) WPS.
And Netscape will be unkillable at that point (too busy
processing it's own exit-list or something). Under Process
Commander, the last stage I can terminate it to, it's
labelled "Netscape - Java Console", go figure !)
Sometimes I'm lucky and JAVA(script?) decides to do a memory
'explosion', it simply inflates the SWAP file until the
partition fills up, after which the Black Screen of Warning
tells me to close the program. Luckily this works.

So the only thing stopping my OS/2 system from running
forever is Netscape+Java (which I can't avoid at all times).
I can recover from all the other conflicts and hangs (the
SOM is also a regular customer), i.e. terminate all
instances and/or restart WPS.

Ahh ! It's good to cry one's heart out every once and a
while.


OS/2 Forever !

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               07-Dec-99 14:41:28
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> 
> I just installed a program that installed Win32's v1.30 (Fontographer
> 4.1)  When
> I tried to run it I get page overflow errors (win32s16.dll).  Is there
> anything
> I can do about it?

Sigh. OS/2 only supports Win32s up to version 1.25a, so 1.30 won't work.
However you can try the following, since most apps that install 1.30 or
claim to need it DON'T really need it:

Install Win32s 1.25 or 1.25a (one on Hobbes, one on LEO, the 1.25a
package doesn't contain OLE32) _over_ 1.30 after backing up WIN32S.INI.
This will replace the 1.30 files with the ones contained in 1.25 and
leave the additional 1.30 files on your HD. Change the Win-OS/2 settings
for DOS_FILES to 255 and try increasing/decreasing XMS or DPMI memory.
You'll need to run in "Enhanced Win 3.1 compatibility" mode.

Try to run the program. If it complains that 1.30 is not installed or
simply crashes replace WIN32S.INI from 1.25 with the one you backed up
or edit it replacing the version information.
That's what you can do. If the app still does not work you're out of
luck.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        07-Dec-99 13:44:26
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: TCP/IP connected printers

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:32:27, Pierre Barn <pbarn@altern.org> wrote:
> In article <KBotDFRHSp7U-pn2-YXjpuNV7x4RQ@localhost>,
>   jan.eri@protector-group.no wrote:
> > The Fiery server definitely shouldn't be low on storage, so I don't
> > understand why LPRPORTD is so incredibly slow (even with small files)

Thanks for your response,

> The available disk space is displayed on the front panel of the Fiery.

Yes, I now (approx 3GB free) I was thinking of RAM, but that's probably not 
relevant.

> By the way, are you on 100BaseT ? Do you have a 3Com switch ? I've seen
setup
> like this being very slow. I think there is a tech note on 3Com site.

I am on a 10BaseT with a 3Com hub? Any reason to believe I need to fix 
anything here?

> Pierre barn
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/fieryusers/
> NEW !! http://www.onelist.com/community/dpsi mailing list for
> Digital Printing Systems Information

regards,
Jan

----------------------------------
Jan Eri -- Protector AS -- Norway
Work: http://www.protector-group.no
Priv: http://janeri.com

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     07-Dec-99 13:53:23
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:00:42, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

> In <y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-jHJs7d3eEP2L@dialup205.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
> on 12/06/99 
>    at 11:24 AM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
> 
> >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:37:29, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
> 
> >> All,
> >> 
> ><snip> 
> 
> >> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get on-line. 
> >> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.
> >> 
> >Since I have a LS-120 working fine under Warp4 with FP12 I thought I  may
> >be able to help.  Where does the drive fail to boot?  I hate to  ask the
> >obvious but does your BIOS support booting from a LS-120?
> 
> Boots IBM PC-DOS from it just fine without any drivers.  Same for Caldera
> DOS.  Same for Lose98. 
> 
> Yes it supports booting from it.
> 
> The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging or
> rebooting the machine.
> 
> According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known problem,
> but they shipped "support" for it anyway.
> 
> Roland
> 

Anything in your CONFIG.SYS that shouldn't be there?  Have you tried 
pressing Alt-F2 at the 'blob' to see where it's locking up?

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: martin.brown@pandora.be                           07-Dec-99 13:59:22
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: IBM U.S. Announcement Letter

From: Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be>

Richard A Crane wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:34:11, Martin Brown
> <martin.brown@pandora.be> wrote in part:
>
> > I am not at liberty to name the applications affected.

> Well then why make accusations that you're not prepared to stand by?

Ever heard of confidentiality agreements ? You claim to be a lawyer.

> You say IBM broke OS/2 16 bit applications than when someone
> asks which ones come back with this (as quoted above) ??

I suppose I could name a PM API call and old structure that is
unsupported in Warp 4.
But I don't see why I should bother. I did state the symptom of the most
common failure.

> As I see it if you want bitch about a product/problem here the least
> you ought be willing to do is back up your accusations - in the same
> forum you make them.

The URL I quoted shows one of the publically documented issues. I am
simply pointing out that for a handful of applications the Warp 3/4
transition is not as easy as it might be. Bordering on impossible if
source code is unavailable.

> Or to put it another way, why should anyone think that this
> is anything more than anti-OS/2 trolling if you wont tell the full
> story?

Think what you like.

Regards,
Martin Brown

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          07-Dec-99 14:14:12
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 05:06:26, admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes) wrote:

> I just installed a program that installed Win32's v1.30 (Fontographer 
> 4.1)  When
> I tried to run it I get page overflow errors (win32s16.dll).  Is there
> anything
> I can do about it?

By the way, you're referring to WIN32S, not Win32 or Win32's.

Anyway, try installing v.1.25 of Win32S. This is the highest version 
number that OS/2 wants to know about. You might want to save your 
WIN32S.INI file beforehand, to use afterward, because that's where 
many programs look to decide if you have a high enough WIN32S version 
to run. What you're seeing sounds like program calls to actual v.1.30 
files, which OS/2 doesn't support.

Did I make myself clear? It's confusing to begin with. Anyway, I run 
FOG41 in WinOS2 just fine.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Dec-99 09:16:07
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <82ho50$ovp$2@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/07/99 at 01:33 AM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> You often complain about people not viserally hating Microsoft as bad as
> you do?

No, only people who consistently lie and misquote, inter alia,
dictionaries and claim to own a university which they do not. The folks at
UofA were very, very intrigued by your signature lines, BTW.

And, since you live in a country where the final word in a court appeal is
to the British Parliament, you might be intersested in the definition of
monopoly in "The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary" which is actually
as close to an unabridged dictionary as exists. They changed the name from
the unabriged according to the introduction, because it is impossible to
produce an unabridged dictionary which will still be so when published
since the language is changing so fast.

On page 1819, right hand of the three columns, about halfway down the
column it says

begin quotation from NSOED. Words between *'s are in Italic.

monopoly (origin and pronounciation info deleted)

1. Exclusive possession or control of the trade in a commodity, service,
etc.; the condition of having no competition in one's trade or business.
*Law* a situation in which one supplier or producer controls more than a
specified fraction of the market.

end quote of definition 1 of monopoly from NSOED

See the qualifier for the use of the word in English Law? The same thing
applies in the USA and in Canada according to a solicitor friend in
Vancouver, BC.

Now, shut up and go away!


--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com                              07-Dec-99 14:13:19
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com (Brad Benson)

yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

] Boots IBM PC-DOS from it just fine without any drivers.  Same for Caldera
] DOS.  Same for Lose98. 
] 
] Yes it supports booting from it.
] 
] The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging or
] rebooting the machine.
] 
] According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known problem,
] but they shipped "support" for it anyway.

I'm just happy I can access it from with OS/2 at all; I really
couldn't care less about booting from it.  It's an irrelevant point
for me now anyway, since I bought a couple of SCSI Zip 250s.  Much,
MUCH faster.  


Cheers,

Brad
replace "spamtrap" with "benson" in my reply address

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              07-Dec-99 14:36:15
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: TCP/IP connected printers

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Jan Eri wrote:
> 
> We have a printer that can only be accessed with TCP/IP. I want our
> Warp Server Adv. to act as a printserver for it, and have found two
> ways to do that:
> 
> 1. LPRMON -p print_900-950 -s 195.1.241.239 lpt3
> 2. LPRPORTD and connect printer object to port \PIPE\LPD0
> 
> Solution number 1 is reasonable fast, but crashes with really large
> jobs (>60MB postscript file)
> 
> Solution number 2 is very neat, but terribly slow, to the extent that
> it is unusable. This goes also for Warp 4.
> 
  For reasons I have never figured out, LPD sends the whole file in a
timely manner then hangs on the last bit of negotiation. I have seen the
same print job take from two seconds to 10 minutes, always hanging on
99% complete.
  You can see this by setting the print job screen property to Details.


-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                07-Dec-99 08:44:11
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <384D0F70.76F8EBB4@please.com>, on 12/07/99 
   at 01:45 PM, Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com> said:



>yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> After weeks of attempting to deal with the worst FP of Warp ever released
>> I have finally kissed it off.  Not exactly the kiss off I wished though
>> since IBM has thoughtfully removed the RSU for English FP9 (second
>> release), the last known working version of the Warp fixpacks.
>> 
>> The bugs in FP12 are too numerous and frustrating to name here.

>Well, I ran Fixpack9 for a long time, and I must say
>Fixpack12 was no improvement.
>Although I can live with fixpack12 just fine (I must be
>lucky).
>Because I had trouble with the Netscape+Java(script) combo,
>for some reason I figured FP12 would help.

>One constant going from FP9 to FP12 is Mr/ICE.
>I never leave Mr/ICE active together with any Win/Os or
>ported win app, because I know it will hang the WPS sooner
>or later.
>[ported win apps: Lotus Smartsuite, Netscape (no JAVA)]

>Another thing to avoid is to activate Java and/or Javascript in Netscape.
>As soon I have used Java and/or Javascript once, at some
>point my OS will hang (not respond to keyboard or mouse) or
>Netscape will take out a window-area of the (restarted) WPS. And Netscape
>will be unkillable at that point (too busy
>processing it's own exit-list or something). Under Process
>Commander, the last stage I can terminate it to, it's
>labelled "Netscape - Java Console", go figure !)
>Sometimes I'm lucky and JAVA(script?) decides to do a memory 'explosion',
>it simply inflates the SWAP file until the
>partition fills up, after which the Black Screen of Warning
>tells me to close the program. Luckily this works.

>So the only thing stopping my OS/2 system from running
>forever is Netscape+Java (which I can't avoid at all times). I can
>recover from all the other conflicts and hangs (the SOM is also a regular
>customer), i.e. terminate all
>instances and/or restart WPS.

>Ahh ! It's good to cry one's heart out every once and a
>while.


Most likely your problems are stemming from the shitty Stardock software
on your system.  They will ship no product until it actually
compiles...testing was never budgeted.

I leave this version of MR/2 ICE up for days at a time.  Have from FP8
forward.  Never causes lockup or hang on either the notebook or my
workstation.  Same with Netscape and Java.

Uninstall ALL stardock productions from your system.  

Use an INI editor to delete all references to Stardock.

Reapply FP9 (or fp of your choice) to get rid of the system files Stardock
thought justified to replace.

Bet you have no problems.

Stardock ships truly wretched software.  Given the quality of FP12 I would
believe they were behind it.

Roland

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From: mail@dontwannabesued.com                          07-Dec-99 14:52:18
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Netscape vs. Opera

From: mail@dontwannabesued.com (RCW)

I've read about lots of people having system hangs when using
Netscape.  I've used Opera for some time now.  It certainly will crash
every so often, but it doesn't take the system down with it and so can
be quickly reloaded.

RCW

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                07-Dec-99 08:49:07
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-QWxVCoQdxnGk@dialup242.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
on 12/07/99 
   at 01:53 PM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:

>On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:00:42, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

>> In <y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-jHJs7d3eEP2L@dialup205.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
>> on 12/06/99 
>>    at 11:24 AM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
>> 
>> >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:37:29, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
>> 
>> >> All,
>> >> 
>> ><snip> 
>> 
>> >> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get on-line. 
>> >> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.
>> >> 
>> >Since I have a LS-120 working fine under Warp4 with FP12 I thought I  may
>> >be able to help.  Where does the drive fail to boot?  I hate to  ask the
>> >obvious but does your BIOS support booting from a LS-120?
>> 
>> Boots IBM PC-DOS from it just fine without any drivers.  Same for Caldera
>> DOS.  Same for Lose98. 
>> 
>> Yes it supports booting from it.
>> 
>> The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging or
>> rebooting the machine.
>> 
>> According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known problem,
>> but they shipped "support" for it anyway.
>> 
>> Roland
>> 

>Anything in your CONFIG.SYS that shouldn't be there?  Have you tried 
>pressing Alt-F2 at the 'blob' to see where it's locking up?

Dude!  It doesn't get THAT far.  It dies during the loader.

Roland

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                07-Dec-99 08:51:05
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <384d1568.61689755@picard.cds-inc.com>, on 12/07/99 
   at 02:13 PM, spamtrap@cds-inc.com (Brad Benson) said:

>yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

>] Boots IBM PC-DOS from it just fine without any drivers.  Same for Caldera
>] DOS.  Same for Lose98. 
>] 
>] Yes it supports booting from it.
>] 
>] The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging or
>] rebooting the machine.
>] 
>] According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known problem,
>] but they shipped "support" for it anyway.

>I'm just happy I can access it from with OS/2 at all; I really couldn't
>care less about booting from it.  It's an irrelevant point for me now
>anyway, since I bought a couple of SCSI Zip 250s.  Much, MUCH faster.  


It will work well as a maintenance partition for the notebook given I
can't put any more partitions on the notebook....if it would boot OS/2
like it can book all other OS's.

Roland

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        07-Dec-99 14:52:23
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:13:38 GMT, Brad Benson <spamtrap@cds-inc.com> wrote:
> ] The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging or
> ] rebooting the machine.
> ] 
> ] According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known problem,
> ] but they shipped "support" for it anyway.
> 
> I'm just happy I can access it from with OS/2 at all; I really
> couldn't care less about booting from it.  It's an irrelevant point
> for me now anyway, since I bought a couple of SCSI Zip 250s.  Much,
> MUCH faster.  

My only floppy drive is an IDE LS-120, and I can boot OS/2 from it
just fine.

I did have to disable busmastering on the IDE channel it was on before
it would work, though.

i.e. 
      BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD /A:0 /!BM
where /A:0 is my primary IDE channel (and /A:1 would be secondary).

The LS-120 is my only IDE device, however (SCSI system), so I don't know
how much difference that would make...

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Dec-99 10:04:05
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <82hcfn$2b9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 12/06/99 at 10:14 PM,
   donw1749@my-deja.com said:

> And what do you base this gem on mr. Germer? Seems that we bear up under
> any number of U.S. opinions, why are ours of less
> value?

Because in the case under discussion, Canada is not a party to the suit.
What Canada or Russia or Botswana or Sri Lanka thinks is absolutely
immaterial to the suit under discussion. 

As Canadians, you have absolutely no say in what our laws are or how they
are applied in our courts. If your government were truly offended by the
suit, it might seek to influence the Attorney General via the Department
of State. It did not do so.

If we decide to pass legislation barring people of Canadian citizenship
from entering the US in automobiles, we can do so. You can scream, yell,
bitch, moan, complain, to your heart's content. You cannot stop us from
doing so.

Hell, we can stop you from entering the country period. Ask any Cuban if
he or she can legally enter the US except as a political refugee or on a
diplomatic passport which limits travel to a very small radius around the
UN.

You may not like our law or our Court's interpretation of same. Tough
SHIT! We do.

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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              07-Dec-99 15:07:19
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Long file names

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

In message <384c8c86$2$ofgrcuna$mr2ice@news.redshift.com> -
bstephan@redshift.comMon, 06 Dec 1999 20:25:40 -0800 writes:
:>
:>In <0r%24.16654$Tp.686005@typ11.nn.bcandid.com>, on 12/07/99
:>
:>   at 03:47 AM, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)
:>said:
:>
:>>Can someone tell me how I can get long filenames (with
:>>spaces in them) from Win95 FAT16 partition to OS2 on an
:>>HPFS partition on the same hard drive. 
:>
:>Can you ZIP them in Win95 then UNZIP them in OS/2?
:>
:>-- 
	I can read the cdrom directory in OS2 but when I try to copy a file
or drag and drop a file I get a Warp error that says "Parameter is
incorrect".  I have the /W switch installed on the CDFS line in the
config.sys.
	I also tried what you suggested with PKzip in Win 95 but when I open
the zip in OS2 using InfoZip's unzip, the filenames are all truncated.
	Could you tell me the size and date of your CDFS.IFS file? I have
fixpak 12 installed and assumed that it had the latest CDFS file but
maybe not.
Thanks for the suggestions, anyway.
Willard




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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         07-Dec-99 09:18:06
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:47:43 GMT, Mark Mellin wrote:

>Any ideas on how to connect/configure Warp4 as the print server on
>a HP LaserJet4 using HP's JetDirect card across a 10-BaseT peer
>network with TCP/IP ??
>
>I couldn't & didn't find any JetDirect software for OS/2 on HP's
>or IBM's driver site(s).
>
It's hidden in with the JetAdmin stuff. JA105EN.EXE or something like
that, IIRC. Works fine here, I've got a LaserJet4M+ which will talk to
OS/2 machines, a Windoze95 machine (when it's switched on) and a Mac,
all on the same network.

As an aside, did anyone notice that HP have discontinued decent
JetAdmin support for OS/2 - you have to have an NT server on your
system to run the newer OS/2 JetAdmin. I couldn't find a suitable HP
contact to complain to in the notifying email :-( Not that I use it
anyway...

 
Dave
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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        07-Dec-99 15:52:10
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: TCP/IP connected printers

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:36:31, James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> wrote:
> Jan Eri wrote:
> > 1. LPRMON -p print_900-950 -s 195.1.241.239 lpt3
> > 2. LPRPORTD and connect printer object to port \PIPE\LPD0
> > Solution number 1 is reasonable fast, but crashes with really large
> > jobs (>60MB postscript file)
> > Solution number 2 is very neat, but terribly slow, to the extent that
> > it is unusable. This goes also for Warp 4.
>   For reasons I have never figured out, LPD sends the whole file in a
> timely manner then hangs on the last bit of negotiation. I have seen the
> same print job take from two seconds to 10 minutes, always hanging on
> 99% complete.
>   You can see this by setting the print job screen property to Details.

Hi,

Do you mean LPRMON, or do you really mean LPD?
I have not seen this particular behaviour with LPRMON here, all jobs get 
through ok, except for the real large ones (60-70MB PS files)

regards, Jan

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From: ktkelvin@yahoo.com                                08-Dec-99 00:45:26
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: "Kelvin Tsang" <ktkelvin@yahoo.com>

Dave {Reply Address in.sig} <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:abbaryybaqryqrzbapbhx.fmdjqds.pminews@sharra.llondel.demon.co.uk...
> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:47:43 GMT, Mark Mellin wrote:
>
> As an aside, did anyone notice that HP have discontinued decent
> JetAdmin support for OS/2 -
> you have to have an NT server on your system to run
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dave, what do you mean ?
Is that mean the new JetAdmin/2 will detect the existence
of NT Server to work ?

I'm using the bundled OS/2 driver of JetDirect 500x, and
am planning to upgrade to the lastest one, if any.

Kelvin



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From: bravoul@arcormail.de                              06-Dec-99 22:58:22
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Boot-Record problem

From: Ulrich Brachvogel <bravoul@arcormail.de>

Hi,
I use Linux and OS/2. Up to now there was no problem with booting one of the 
os'es. Suddenly OS/2 dosn't boot any more; the boot record of the OS/2
partition seems to be corrupted.(I can access the OS/2(HPFS-)-partition from
Linux as before.)
I remember that there is a backup copy of the boot record somewhere on the
partition . If true it  might be possible to reconstruct the corrupted one.
Maybe there is a posting about that somewhere: but when you see it you don't
need it, but when you need it....  :=((
Thanks for some hints
_______________________________
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//    \______// 
//     \____/    Ulrich Brachvogel 
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Dec-99 10:00:11
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384c712e$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, on 12/06/99 at 09:30 PM,
   letoured@nospam.net said:

>  jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) said:

> Were you born an asshole or is it something you acquired?  

> -- You said I could buy a tier-one PC without windows. 
> ** I asked where? 
> -- You responded it was my fault.

> Again, where do I find a tier-one (any brand) PC without windoze. Come
> on big boy, you can tell us. We want the number to order one. You must
> have it, you said we don't have to buy windoze so give me the number --
> unless of course your full of shit right up to your eyeballs. 

He will not answer the question for two reasons:

1. He is a born asshole

2. He cannot name a single brand or could not until yesterday when Compaq
announced they would offer Linux on SERVERS only in place of Windows NT.

Of course, he cannot buy even a Compaq workstation from Compaq without
Windows.

> >>>>letoured@nospam.net
> >>>>Assembling a computer without buying wincrap is one thing. Buying a
> >>>>teir-one machine -- which most business in the US buy is impossible
> >>>>without paying for wincrap.

> >>>This is, of course, not true.

> >>>Obviously, you know nothing about the computer marketplace. The fact that
> >>>you're unable to do something that many others routinely do demonstrates
> >>>your incompetence and ignorance.

> >>I'll bite. Lets see if you're all bull shit or if you know something---
> >>give us telephone numbers to order say a IBM TP 600E without paying for
> >>windows?

> >If IBM won't sell you what you want, why are you foolishly buying IBM
> >products???

> >I see the problem now, and it's you.
> _____________
> Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>



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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Dec-99 10:09:22
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384bed54_4@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/06/99 at 10:06 AM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

> Bob Germer wrote:
> >
> > > Ever consider that the anti-trust laws are garbage?
> >
> > Since you are a Canuck, your opinoin is worth less than garbage.

> Hey Lars!  He's a bigot, too!

You and Lars are examples of why it is necessary to coin such terms.
Canuck to me means an asshole with Canadian citizenship.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> What have YOU done to bust a union today?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Work better: Work union-free.

I do not support the organization of professionals into collective
bargaining units to be sure. However, while I feel as do most Americans
that the union movement has been an anachronism for the past 40 years, I
would never support "busting" a union.


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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  07-Dec-99 16:12:06
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:29:55, ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) 
wrote:

> In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-ItYN5TbBNuyu@POBLANO>
> 	   l_luciano@da.mob "Stan Goodman" writes:
> 
> > [...]  What is less clear is how Microsoft, having fled to
> > Canada to avoid US antitrust action, would survive with the US
> > market denied to it. [...]
> 
> If M$ became Canadian, wouldn't their manners need to improve?
> Hey, that would _have_ to sting a bit.

They will have to improve in any case. That's what the DOJ and Sun suits 
are all about.

> More seriously, I long ago concluded -- so call me a Clever Clogs
> if history ever proves me right -- that, were M$ to leave the US,
> it would be go somewhere like India.  Distance is not the problem
> it used to be; and India, as (eg) IBM already demonstrates, has a
> strong intellectual infrastructure accustomed to handling complex
> software projects.  (Sorry, Canada.)

But it doesn't really matter. Even if he were doing business from an ice 
floe, that would not be a license to run an abusive monopoly in the US or 
anyplace else, or to contravene the law of any place he would do business.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  07-Dec-99 17:13:25
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:32:19, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Stan Goodman write:
> > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:26:20, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
> 
> > > Somebody's running an abusive monopoly?  Who?
> > 
> > When you threaten people with severe retribution (e.g. "We'll cut off
their
> > air") if they dare to patronize your competitors, that is an abusive 
> > monopoly.
> 
> But all companies do this!  It's called entering a partnership.

=;-/8

I don't think the judge sees it that way. A vendor-buyer relationship is 
not a partnership.

> If another company doesn't enter into a partnership with you, you can
> withhold things.  Like sales.
> 
> Microsoft is not required to sell their products at any price to any people.
> If Intel doesn't want to do what MS wants, MS doesn't have to support them.
> Microsoft isn't the babysitter of whining computer companies.



> Your problem is that when MS says "do this or you don't get to buy our
> product", it has success behind it.  You will in all seriousness reply to me
> that because MS is successful it has to play by a different set of rules.

You could make the same point about Standard Oil decades ago; I'm sure 
Rockefeller did.
 
> >          Don't you read the newspapers? The recent court finding is that 
> > there is a monopoly, and that Microsoft abused its monopoly position
> 
> But when the finding says "there is a monopoly", it means nothing.

What it means is that a monopoly does have to avoid restraining trade. 
Restraint of trade is a major no-no in the US; probably in Canada too. If 
you mean that the finding is not a verdict, you are correct; on the other 
hand, it has a lot to do with what the verdict will be. In all probability,
Microsoft understands that much better than you do, and will make an 
attempt to cut a deal with DOJ, which will probably be the best thing for 
everyone concerned. The deal, of course, will be heavily influenced by the 
(far from meaningless) finding.

> To say Microsoft "abused its position" is to say that, my God, Microsoft
> competed in the market (and didn't fail at it).

Locking up a market is, in general, not permitted, for more or less obvious
reasons, which appear to be unclear to you. Wait until the verdict.

Restraint of trade is not competition; it is in fact anti-competitive. I 
have not the foggiest notion what exercises you so. We all have to wait and
see how the case plays out.

I understand that it is your belief that a trader is permitted to do 
virtually anything that does not involve bloodshed. That has not been true 
for over a century.

I have to abandon this thread to others that have more patience with it 
than I. 

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     07-Dec-99 18:26:22
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:50:14, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

> Well I don't care what they say about you guys <grin>, ya'll seem to be
alright with me.  :)  I
> guess that I should have been a little bit clearer when I referred to "the
problem" with OS/2
> per Doug's earlier response - I was referencing "the Y2K" thing.  The
commercial apps (or lack
> thereof, limitations / support, etc...) are all known quantities to me - I'm 
unaware of "common
> knowledge, or speculation on expected behaviour" of OS/2 post Jan. 1 '00
though. Hadn't thought
> about it until Doug's post.  {shrug shoulders}
>  
> All in the info and guidance that you folks continue to provide is really
greatly appreciated!
> Thanks much folks!
> 

Sorry I didn't get back earlier, but I have been "offline" for a day.

I have no idea what, if anything, the "Y2K" bug will, or will not do. 
I do know, that OS/2 (with fix packs) has been qualified by various 
organizations as being Y2K ready, for some time now. I am not sure 
that any Windows product has been given an unqualified ready rating, 
even now.

There are many possibilities for problems in the year 2000. Some of 
the more common are:
-The system date may revert to 1980 (if the BIOS is not ready), and 
may need to be set to 2000 manually on boot.
-I think that most of the Operating System problems are in the file 
dates, and sorting on dates area.
-User programs, that only store two digits for the year, and then 
assume the century to be 19, will have problems. (This can happen with
a Y2K ready program, such as a database, if the databse programmer did
something stupid like only keeping two digits, and assuming the 
century is 19).
-Some programs (such as word processors) may insert an incorrect date.
-Some programs (like all Netscape versions older than 4.04) will have 
problems (there is a tip that the verisign dtabase need to be updated,
since it times out at the end of 1999 -> this really has nothing to do
with Y2K, but does happen coincidentaly, and you need to download a 
new verisign database to fix it).

There are many possible implications for programs that do date 
calculations, especially if you have one that does something like 
eliminate files "older than a certain date". It is possible that the 
program could assume that a file with the date 2000 on it was created 
100 years ago, and it will erase it.

Overall, I doubt if most users will see any problems, but you will not
know, for sure, until it happens, or until you have tested every 
program, with every option. At this late date, I suspect that a 
complete test of all of your programs, would be impossible. You are, 
likely, going to find out the hard way whether you will have a 
problem.

For more information, check out:
http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/solutions/and/y2000/year2000.html
which should get you started, and give you some other places to look.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            07-Dec-99 10:25:10
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

Bob Germer wrote:
>
> Hell, we can stop you from entering the country period. Ask any Cuban if
> he or she can legally enter the US except as a political refugee or on a
> diplomatic passport which limits travel to a very small radius around the
> UN.

I think you should study some history.  Who burned down the White House,
Bob?
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Work better: Work union-free.

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Calgary

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             07-Dec-99 09:09:06
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Lexmark Printer & PMV8005?

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:11:22, "David T. Johnson"
> <djohnson@isomedia.com> wrote:
> 
> snip
> > >
> > > This is an interesting report, but at least as far as WSeB's code
> > > goes, installing Bidirectional printer support is an option during
> > > Install, and includes a PAR1284.SYS driver.
> > >
> > > I don't know if a different PARALLEL.PDR is installed or not, but in
> > > any case I can't get BIDI working under WSeB, despite working
> > > transparently under Win9x and previous Warp 3 and 4 installs to the
> > > same hardware. So maybe I'll screw around with PRINT01.SYS a bit more?
> >
> > The parallel.pdr file that I am using is dated 7/27/99 and was included
> > in fixpak 12.  I don't have a par1284.sys file loaded.  The IBM
> > bidirectional driver includes a par1284.sys file dated 2/4/97.
> 
> I haven't looked at FP12, and so far there's no FP for WSeB.
> 
> Run "BLDLEVEL PARALLEL.PDR" and see what the output is for "File
> Version." 

Okay, when I run Bldlevel I get File Version 9.32.



>These are the versions of the file that I have here.
> 
> 11-15-96  16:52          28,416           0  parallel.pdr.923  -old
> BIDI package
>  3-16-99   0:33          15,850           0  parallel.pdr.1493 -WSeB
> distribution
>  9-29-99  12:11           7,796           0  parallel.pdr.8200
>  9-29-99  12:11           7,796           0  PARALLEL.PDR.8255
>  9-29-99  12:11          12,479           0  parallel.pdr.925
>  9-29-99  12:11          15,848           0  parallel.pdr.932
> 
> The "14" prefix refers to WSeB builds. The "8" comes from Warp 3, the
> "9" comes from Warp 4. But they all seem to work the same on this
> system. When I wanted to enable BIDI printing on a Warp 3 system, I
> did have to use the one in the BIDI package.
> 
> --
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Buddy
> 
> Buddy Donnelly
> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               07-Dec-99 10:31:15
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: IBM U.S. Announcement Letter

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 13:59:44 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:

>The URL I quoted shows one of the publically documented issues. I am
>simply pointing out that for a handful of applications the Warp 3/4
>transition is not as easy as it might be. Bordering on impossible if
>source code is unavailable.

I am very surprised to hear this.   I have had no trouble whatsoever from 3
to 4 - and I've been doing it for years.   They did fix things (or you might
call it "break" things) in such a way that certain things were not suppose to
work and it did because of oversight - and won't because they fixed it.

I have had excellant compatibility between 3 and 4.


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From: donw@bc.sympatico.com                             07-Dec-99 16:40:22
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 21:27:02
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Don Wagner" <donw@bc.sympatico.com>

Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote in message
news:384d18fe$1$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com...
> On <82ho50$ovp$2@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/07/99 at 01:33 AM,
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
>
> > You often complain about people not viserally hating Microsoft as bad as
> > you do?
>
> No, only people who consistently lie and misquote, inter alia,
> dictionaries and claim to own a university which they do not. The folks at
> UofA were very, very intrigued by your signature lines, BTW.
>
> And, since you live in a country where the final word in a court appeal is
> to the British Parliament,

Sorry. Supreme court of Canada. And you call our opinions meaningless.

Don Wagner


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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                07-Dec-99 19:03:11
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 21:27:02
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <2b934.116985$V4.1424383@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>, on 12/07/99 
   at 02:52 PM, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) said:

>On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:13:38 GMT, Brad Benson <spamtrap@cds-inc.com>
>wrote: > ] The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either
>hanging or > ] rebooting the machine.
>> ] 
>> ] According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known problem,
>> ] but they shipped "support" for it anyway.
>> 
>> I'm just happy I can access it from with OS/2 at all; I really
>> couldn't care less about booting from it.  It's an irrelevant point
>> for me now anyway, since I bought a couple of SCSI Zip 250s.  Much,
>> MUCH faster.  

>My only floppy drive is an IDE LS-120, and I can boot OS/2 from it just
>fine.

>I did have to disable busmastering on the IDE channel it was on before it
>would work, though.

>i.e. 
>      BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD /A:0 /!BM
>where /A:0 is my primary IDE channel (and /A:1 would be secondary).

>The LS-120 is my only IDE device, however (SCSI system), so I don't know
>how much difference that would make...

Once again, the system doesn't get far enough to look at config.sys.  It
is still trying to get os2 loader running.

-- 
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".illegaltospam"
                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
                            For a Microsoft free univers
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From: me@my.place                                       07-Dec-99 17:12:22
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: me@my.place (me)

bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com (Bob Germer) wrote in 
<384d23b7$7$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>:

>On <384bed54_4@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/06/99 at 10:06 AM,
>   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:
>
>> Bob Germer wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ever consider that the anti-trust laws are garbage?
>Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
>MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
>Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
>
Some Canadians do not understand US law, however most Americans do not 
understand Canadian law.  Insulting all Canadians is a true showing of
your qualities or lack there of.  I have met rude Americans and this does
not mean all Americans are rude.  I judge an individual on there merits not
by their country.
Microsoft is a Monopoly and has used questionable business practices.
For those who disagree ...check out the stacker case for one...
Which country they operate in has no bearing any more today, since all 
countries are only a modem away.  This is why many countries now have human 
rights clauses in trade agreements.  Moving to another country would merely
mean that all Canadian companies would be impacted by the modified trade 
legislation implemented by the protecing government (in this case the US).
Microsoft moving to Canada would hurt Canadians more than it would benefit 
Canadians.  Microsoft STAY AWAY...
Me and My Opinion 

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          07-Dec-99 17:13:19
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:32:19, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) a crit 
dans un message:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Stan Goodman write:
> > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:26:20, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
> 
> > > Somebody's running an abusive monopoly?  Who?
> > 
> > When you threaten people with severe retribution (e.g. "We'll cut off
their
> > air") if they dare to patronize your competitors, that is an abusive 
> > monopoly.
> 
> But all companies do this!  It's called entering a partnership.

No, no more than "going into business" is the same as operating a monopoly.


> 
> If another company doesn't enter into a partnership with you, you can
> withhold things.  Like sales.

No, you're legally required to treat all members of a class of customer the
same.


> 
> Microsoft is not required to sell their products at any price to any people.
> If Intel doesn't want to do what MS wants, MS doesn't have to support them.
> Microsoft isn't the babysitter of whining computer companies.

Not, not the babysitter. The bullwhipper. The point made in the court 
testimony is that M$ used illegal methods to prevent competing products 
from reaching the market. If M$ didn't have a good enough education to 
study business law to prevent their behaviour from crossing the line, 
that's their fault, not ours. (And if M$'s shareholders employ directors 
who cause the company to hire yes-folk for attorneys, then the shareholders
should suffer the cost of that stupidity.)



> 
> Your problem is that when MS says "do this or you don't get to buy our
> product", it has success behind it.  You will in all seriousness reply to me
> that because MS is successful it has to play by a different set of rules.

By longstanding law in the US, if *any* company (IBM? ATT? Standard Oil?) 
is successful at eliminating all competition, then yes, they have to play 
by a different set of rules. They have to take on a MORAL responsibility to
insure that the customer, the end user, us here, don't get screwed, as we 
have been in this case.


> 
> >          Don't you read the newspapers? The recent court finding is that 
> > there is a monopoly, and that Microsoft abused its monopoly position
> 
> But when the finding says "there is a monopoly", it means nothing.

Ask 100 corporate litigators if a Federal judge's finding of fact says 
"there is a monopoly" means anything, and you'll get 1 answer: it means 
almost everything. It's all over but the shouting, in other words. M$ and 
their high-paid sycophants, er, legal counsel, had their chance to present 
your view (the opposing view to that of the Federal and multiple State 
governments) during the trial and couldn't, evidently, come up with a 
single element of fact that supported your view.


> 
> To say Microsoft "abused its position" is to say that, my God, Microsoft
> competed in the market (and didn't fail at it).

To say, "While you were gone I drank one of your beers from the fridge" is 
not the same thing as "While you were gone I drank all your beers, opened 
your mail, and found the dirty pictures of your girlfriend in the shoebox 
in your clothes closet."


> -- 
> Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
> mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
> The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

Tell ya what, Lars: Don't leave school just yet? Or find somewhere you'll 
get a better business education while there, or just go straight into 
teaching and don't get out where making mistakes that constitute violations
of the law can cost you jail time or mucho dinero?


[You also might check your HTML on the index page, because whatever program
you used to create it has butchered some of your indexing codes, rendering 
them useless.]


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     07-Dec-99 18:26:27
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: Re: boot from zip

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:54:47, fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) 
wrote:

> I have an external SCSI zip.
> ASUS mobo w/ ASUS PCI SCSI (NCR 3.2)
> Is it possible to make a bootable disk for warp3?
> 
> how?
> 
>  
> 
> fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA
> 

If you can actually boot from the drive, you should be able to get 
BOOTOS2 to build you a system (I have not done this, so I can't say, 
for sure, that it will work). Look for BOOTOS2.ZIP, or BTOS2926.ZIP, 
in the "usual" places.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          07-Dec-99 19:39:24
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: Re: Lexmark Printer & PMV8005?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:09:13, "David T. Johnson" 
<djohnson@isomedia.com> wrote:

> > 
> > Run "BLDLEVEL PARALLEL.PDR" and see what the output is for "File
> > Version." 
> 
> Okay, when I run Bldlevel I get File Version 9.32.

Thanks. Evidently someone has already sent it to me, then.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au                08-Dec-99 07:21:13
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au (stephen)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:13:41, mbatey@cixno.spamco.uk (Maurice Batey) 
wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:01:02, stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au 
> (stephen) wrote:
> 
> > I use the one bookmark file in both 2.02 and 4.61. That way it does 
> > not matter which one I am running, 
> 
> Thanks, Stephen. 
> What level of WARP does 4.6.1. need? (I'm on WARP4 + FP6.)

Someone else will have to answer that question - I am running 4.6.1 on
Warp3 + FP37

> 
> Maurice Batey
> (Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

Regards,

Stephen

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  07-Dec-99 20:11:27
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:15:56, "Erik" <Erik@elsewhere.ca> wrote:

> 
> Stan Goodman wrote:
> > ------------snip-----------


> > > >>If there is any kind of penalty imposed on Microsoft perhaps they
> could
> > > >>diversify to BC; where we are also tired of this bogus government
> > > >>intervention against success.  (After our present 'gov't' is gone, of
> > > >>course).
> 
> 
> > You mean you think that a company can sit in Canada and run a business in
> > restraint of trade in the US?
> 
> 1: You need to learn how those little >>> attribution thingies work.  I
> wrote the above; not 'The Doctor', or 'Barry Adams'.

Sorry. I knew who wrote it; you were the only one with a Canadian email 
address.
 
> 2: You need to recognize that Canada is not yet conjoined with the US.

No, that is clear to me: Canada can permit any sort of commercial abuse it 
wants to within its territory. What is less clear is how Microsoft, having 
fled to Canada to avoid US antitrust action, would survive with the US 
market denied to it. Any company doing business in the US is subject to US 
law. Maybe you need to understand that a company doing business outside its
home country is subject to the laws of the place in which it is doing 
business.

> 3: You might mail-order a dictionary and look up 'sarcasm'.

?
 
-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          08-Dec-99 10:33:27
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On 8 Dec 1999 07:21:27 +1000, stephen wrote:

:>On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:13:41, mbatey@cixno.spamco.uk (Maurice Batey) 
:>wrote:
:>
:>> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:01:02, stephen@turboweb.splat.spam.net.au 
:>> (stephen) wrote:
:>> 
:>> > I use the one bookmark file in both 2.02 and 4.61. That way it does 
:>> > not matter which one I am running, 
:>> 
:>> Thanks, Stephen. 
:>> What level of WARP does 4.6.1. need? (I'm on WARP4 + FP6.)
:>
:>Someone else will have to answer that question - I am running 4.6.1 on
:>Warp3 + FP37
:>
:>> 
:>> Maurice Batey
:>> (Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)
:>
:>Regards,
:>
:>Stephen

I *think* it's OK on FP6 but I'm using FP9 (UK) It's probably
worth updating your FP anyway. It's been stable for me.

Cheers

Wayne


******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: kukuk@berlin.snafu.de                             08-Dec-99 01:45:00
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: Help.. I lost my LAN logon ID and password

From: kukuk@berlin.snafu.de (Guenter Kukkukk)

In <384bd4a8.13623586@news.mindspring.com>, nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com writes:
>HI,
>
>Is there anyway to recover the LAN logon userid and password for a
>workstation?
>
>This is on a backup PC that has not been touched in a year and I lost
>that information.
>
>This is for V4.0 of OS2.  Any hidden files, etc..??
>
>Thanks,
>
>George
>wx@pcwp.com

Boot from diskettes and save the current accounts-file
    C:\IBMLAN\ACCOUNTS\net.acc
to a save location.
Then copy the initial accounts-file
    C:\IBMLAN\INSTALL\net.acc
over to C:\IBMLAN\ACCOUNTS\net.acc.
Note, that "C:" is assumed to be your bootdrive, 
so adjust it......

This resets to the state when the lansystem
was installed.
On the english version you now get the following
admin userid and password:
UserID: USERID
Password: PASSWORD

PLEASE NOTE, that all further settings of users
and permissions ARE LOST!

Guenter

Guenter Kukkukk
Entwicklungsbuero fuer Mikroelektronik
Damaschkestr. 24
D-10711 Berlin (Germany)
Tel.   +49 30 327 024 50
Fax:   +49 30 327 024 52
EMail: kukuk@berlin.snafu.de

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From: goober@snit.com                                   08-Dec-99 04:04:17
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Where is latest OS/2 fixpack?

From: goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie)


Getting a new HD and want to know where the latest fixpack is for OS/2 V4

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From: dehaseth@dehsrv.chem.uga.edu                      07-Dec-99 22:43:17
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Health monitor ASUS P3B-F

From: "James A. de Haseth" <dehaseth@dehsrv.chem.uga.edu>

Does anyone know of a health monitor for the ASUS P3B-F?
It has an ASUS ASIC hardware monitor.  I do not have the
S370-D card, because I don't know if any OS/2 program will
work.  I don't want to buy it if it's not going to help.

I tried StHWMon, but it just hung, but OS/2  finally registered it
as non-responding and allowed me to kill it.  Apart from that,
OS/2 Warp 4 FP 12 works great!

Thanks,

Jim


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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            08-Dec-99 03:45:14
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: IBM Tape backup drivers

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

The drivers are part of the whole DualStor software package. Do you have
the DualStor installation disk(s)? the driver without the software
wouldn't do you any good.

Alan


> JCBLS wrote:
> 
> I need the drivers for the IBM Dual Stor 800 Tape Backup. Any ideas
> ???

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           08-Dec-99 04:43:23
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: Where is latest OS/2 fixpack?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 04:04:35, goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie) wrote:

> 
> 
> Getting a new HD and want to know where the latest fixpack is for OS/2 V4
> 

Fixtool 1.41 is required to install the latest fixpack

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixtool/english-us/cs_141.e
xe

Fixpack 12 for the OS

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/xr_
m012/

Fixpack 1 for the Device Drivers

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/xr_d001/

The device drivers and OS were split up after FP 10 (or 9 )

The file to update the boot diskettes

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/os2ddpak/idedasd.exe

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               07-Dec-99 22:20:06
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:43:10 -0700, Steven C. Britton wrote:

=>> The RH definition is irrelevant.  It doesn't matter in the slightest.
=>
=>Sure it does: it is the _correct_ definition of monopoly. 

Why? Just because it's in a dictionary?

Why do you give the dictionary such authority?





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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 08-Dec-99 03:20:10
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  Tony, et al,

  The machines available from resellers rarely met the needs of OS/2 users. 
OS/2
usually used more of the machine and the users tried to run much more than
their Windows counterparts.  Anyway, the Unix and OS/2 crowd seemed to be
more aware of things like L2 cache, RAM, and well balanced system
requirements.
Windows people did seem to put more into graphics and game requirements
though.

  My 286 started at 8MB and then I gave it 16MB (always had a 1MB L2 even
in those days).  It was expensive but swapping on drives wasn't as good as now
with better drives.  I've always run SCSI and love OS/2s management skills.
It was a good system.  

  VAC++ v3 required a move to the 486 starting at 16MB.  Later I upped it to
a full 256MB just so that VAC++ v3 could start in under 4 hours.  That was a
hog in a constrained system.  Apps matter far more than just booting a
machine,
in terms of RAM requirements.  If the system keeps slowing down that kind of
defeats the purpose.

  Today the P-III and 384MB are my norm.  Okay, this is overkill.  Graphics,
DSL,
TCP, digital photo software, VAC++ v4, and a few games can't budge the
sawpper file (stuck at 2MB).  All apps run as though nothing else is on the
system.  [Not like another popular system that slows down when you add
a TCP stack and a WinModem.]

  Generally I've found 16MB for 2.11 to be enough for most LAN intensive apps.
16-32MB for v3 and most apps.  v3 was better at memory management.  v4 may
be an improvement.  Its hard to tell since so much of the system changed.
v4 runs well in 32MB but appreciates a little more.  128MB is probably
comfortable
for most people.

  After CPU, L2, and RAM, the hard drive becomes an important factor.  A fast
boot and swapper drive are fairly important.  SCSI can help keep system pauses
to a minimum.  Multiple physical drives can help separate program loading too.

  Take care all,

  David

In <384c888c_3@news1.prserv.net>, "Tony Ingenoso" <tonyi@attglobal.net>
writes:
>*UNCONSTRAINED*
>
>When Warp was released, few if any machines had enough memory to run
>unconstrained save for a few high end servers and such.  32M of memory was
>virtually unheard of at the time.
>
> Tony
>
>John Poltorak <jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:384c6b22.0@katana.legend.co.uk...
>> In <384c52bd_1@news1.prserv.net>, "Tony Ingenoso" <tonyi@attglobal.net>
>writes:
>> >Warp 3 had a major page tuning effort done to it.  All aspects of the
>system
>> >were reworked with respect to locked memory usage and working set.
>> >
>> >However, IMO 2.11 is somewhat faster in unconstrained environments.
>>
>> That was not my experience at all. OS/2 v3 was so much faster than v2+.
>> The kernel itself was greatly reduced so didn't take up so much memory.
>>
>> > Tony
>> >
>> --
>> John
>
>

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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              07-Dec-99 19:01:27
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

Edmond Dantes wrote:

> I just installed a program that installed Win32's v1.30 (Fontographer
> 4.1)  When
> I tried to run it I get page overflow errors (win32s16.dll).  Is there
> anything
> I can do about it?
>
> Edmond Dantes
> phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

I'm reasonably sure this has been discussed on Compuserve OS/2 fora a few
times within the past 2 - 3 years.  To the best of a vague recollection, I
think you'll need to kill your Win32s directory, re-install the W32s 1.25
version that is supported, and adjust appropriate sections of some
Win-OS2  .INI  files.  A nuisance, _if_ that's all there is to it, but no
doubt better than the alternatives.  If necessary, I can see if I might
have saved an old thread on this subject.

<jfox>



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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             07-Dec-99 21:27:05
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: Internet and Warp 3

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

Marco Faccini wrote:
> 
> Can someone please help me?
> I am a new user to OS2 with very limited experiance, I have installed Warp 3
> from disk and ported most of my win 3.1 programs into it. What I now want is
> to use Warp 3 for my internet connection. I have read plenty on the net from
> people who explain how this is done but, I am affraid I do not have the
> knowlage on how to configure such a thing.
> I do have the bonus pack but have found that the IBM " dial other provider
> "
> option only allows connection to a SLIP account (mine is ppp) and asks
> questions about dns numbers but does not accept  0's. If anybody could give
> a fool proof step by step account on how to set up such a thing I would be
> greatful.
> Please note I am disabled so if any further software is required could you
> please point me towards freeware or shareware products as my budget is
> extreamly limited.


OS/2 v3 shipped with an "Internet Access Kit" included in the "Bonus
Pack" that included TCP/IP.  But the TCP/IP that shipped with OS/2 v3
was TCP/IP v2 and needs to be updated.  IBM has posted a free fixpack
for it at:
    
   ftp://ps.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v2.0os2/un64092/
    
There are two ways to update it.  I suggest downloading the four DSK
files and use them, along with loaddskf.exe, to create update disks. The
other problem with the Internet Access Kit in OS/2 v3 is that it didn't
include PPP.  You can download PPP for OS/2 from IBM at:
    
   ftp://ftp01.ny.us.ibm.net/pub/PPP/ 
    
After you make these updates, TCP/IP in OS/2 v3 should work fine.  I
would still recommend upgrading to OS/2 v4, though.  There is some OS/2
v4 setup info at:

http://www.isomedia.com/iso/ics_os2_dialup.htm   

You also should install OS/2 v3 fixpack 39 available for free at:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v3.0warp/english-us/xr_w039

Fixpacks are cumulative so you only need to install the most recent
one.  Every fixpack after fixpack 32 makes OS/2 v3 Y2K compliant. 
Fixpack 40 is the last free fixpack but broke some Win-OS2 applications
so IMO Fixpack 39 is the best.  You also need the corrective service
tool (CS_141.exe) available at:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixtool/english-us/


Finally, here's some links to PKUNZIP2 and Loaddskf.exe that you also
need:

http://service5.boulder.ibm.com/pspfixpk.nsf/


The bottom line is that you can download and install everything that you
need to completely update OS/2 v3 for free but it will take a lot of
time to do everything.      
    
> 
> Thank you all for your time and I hope I have not requested somthing you
> have tackled too often in the past.
> 
>                                 Marco
> 
> PS If anyone can recommend any web reading on OS2
> Warp 3 I would be greatful.

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From: admin@hotmail.com                                 08-Dec-99 06:03:06
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

From: admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:41:57, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

> Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> >
> > I just installed a program that installed Win32's v1.30 (Fontographer
> > 4.1)  When
> > I tried to run it I get page overflow errors (win32s16.dll).  Is there
> > anything
> > I can do about it?
>
> Sigh. OS/2 only supports Win32s up to version 1.25a, so 1.30 won't work.
> However you can try the following, since most apps that install 1.30 or
> claim to need it DON'T really need it:
>
> Install Win32s 1.25 or 1.25a (one on Hobbes, one on LEO, the 1.25a
> package doesn't contain OLE32) _over_ 1.30 after backing up WIN32S.INI.
> This will replace the 1.30 files with the ones contained in 1.25 and
> leave the additional 1.30 files on your HD. Change the Win-OS/2 settings
> for DOS_FILES to 255 and try increasing/decreasing XMS or DPMI memory.
> You'll need to run in "Enhanced Win 3.1 compatibility" mode.
>
> Try to run the program. If it complains that 1.30 is not installed or
> simply crashes replace WIN32S.INI from 1.25 with the one you backed up
> or edit it replacing the version information.
> That's what you can do. If the app still does not work you're out of
> luck.

Do you have a filename for the version that will work?  I can't seem 
to find it.

Edmond Dantes
phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

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From: nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com                          08-Dec-99 06:22:08
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Help needed with display adapter

From: nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com

I have  an old Pent 133 system with a Trident TVGA8900C card in it (1
meg).

I installed OS2 (V4) OK but I cannot configure it for anything better
than 640x480x16 colors.

When I do the display driver install, it selects the correct display
adapter but when it comes to determining the hardware configuration I
keep getting a message " SVGA Installation Errror: Unable to determine
hardware configuration".  I have tried both the manual and the
automatic detection methods.

Does anyone have any advice on this?

Thanks,

George Sambataro
wx@pcwp.com.nospam

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    08-Dec-99 06:38:17
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: my printer lost its W

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

My Laserjet 6MP suddenly won't print capital W in the default Courier
font. As far as I can tell everything else is working. This is not
mentionned anywhere in the manual so I suppose it's a hardware failure.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers  www.mp3.com/pawnshop
                               | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
The New York City Beer Guide   | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | www.mp3.com/jeniferjackson

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 08:12:25
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 05:09:28
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Mike Trettel write:
> On 6 Dec 1999 00:14:42 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:

> >Who do you know who was forced to buy a copy of Windows?
> 
> Plenty of people.

How exactly were they forced?  I strongly suspect that you will turn around
and say that MS software was so valuable that they paid the price
asked...which is in no way force.  Microsoft cannot force you to buy
Windows.  The government, however, can force Microsoft to GIVE WINDOWS AWAY,
or force you to pay taxes.

> Let me put it to you this way.  Not everyone has the freedom to assemble
> their own PC for a given situation, and must purchase a name brand PC off
> the shelf for that situation.

Whether its a PC or a loaf of bread or a stack of paper, nobody MUST
purchase anything.

> calls for a non Windows OS. But of course, you will reply that the buyer
> need not purchase from such OEMs, totally ignoring the first set of facts
> I set forth-that the buyer needs to use a PC from these particular OEMs.

Nobody has to buy anything from anything.  That is the fact that you have
yet to understand.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: ktkelvin@yahoo.com                                08-Dec-99 16:08:21
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 05:09:28
Subj: Re: Help needed with display adapter

From: "Kelvin Tsang" <ktkelvin@yahoo.com>

Have you tried the GenGRADD Driver ?

Kelvin


nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com g峹
<384df8c9.56666721@news.mindspring.com>...
>I have  an old Pent 133 system with a Trident TVGA8900C card in it (1
>meg).
>
>I installed OS2 (V4) OK but I cannot configure it for anything better
>than 640x480x16 colors.
>
>When I do the display driver install, it selects the correct display
>adapter but when it comes to determining the hardware configuration I
>keep getting a message " SVGA Installation Errror: Unable to determine
>hardware configuration".  I have tried both the manual and the
>automatic detection methods.
>
>Does anyone have any advice on this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>George Sambataro
>wx@pcwp.com.nospam
>


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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 08:01:11
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 05:09:28
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
> On <82ho50$ovp$2@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/07/99 at 01:33 AM,
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> > You often complain about people not viserally hating Microsoft as bad as
> > you do?
> 
> No, only people who consistently lie and misquote

"Lie and misquote" eh?  Which means, what, exactly?

Oh yes, you don't even know.

>                                                                inter alia,
> dictionaries and claim to own a university which they do not.

Steven Britton was the person quoting dictionaries, not me.  Why is
something so simple outside of your grasp.

Not to mention "claim to own a university which they do not".  Are you
really that slow?

>                                                            The folks at
> UofA were very, very intrigued by your signature lines, BTW.

They liked Live too, did they?

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: viewme18@hotmail.com                              07-Dec-99 15:25:02
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: viewme18@hotmail.com (Its me)

You can now, but 4 years ago you could not. I went to all the major
retailers looking for a computer without windows installed.
The answer was you still need to pay for windows even if you did not
want it. Just format your drive. 
We were not allowed choices on what operating system we wanted nor
were we allow to deduct the price of the O/S off of the computer
price.
Oh and by the way, that was here in Edmonton Lars. 
Don't you remember any of that or just chose to ignore it and pretend
it did not happen.

>You can sell a computer without Windows licences.
>
>I helped a friend set such a machine up less than a week ago.

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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        08-Dec-99 10:20:25
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: TCP/IP connected printers

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:32:27, Pierre Barn <pbarn@altern.org> wrote:
> > The available disk space is displayed on the front panel of the Fiery.

Since you seem to know this equipment, this is a description of the 
exact RIP-model we use:

"The ColorPASS-M20e is the newest embedded ColorPASS technology for 
the CLC 900. This lower midrange color server is the most 
sophisticated but practical solution for small businesses and 
corporate workgroups. Utilizing Fiery X2 technology, the 
ColorPASS-M20e features a MIPS R5000 @ 200MHz processor, 160 MB RAM, 
and a 3.2 GB hard disk drive. "

regards,
Jan

----------------------------------
Jan Eri -- Protector AS -- Norway
Work: http://www.protector-group.no
Priv: http://janeri.com

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From: jgil@widomaker.com                                08-Dec-99 05:28:11
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: UPS's

From: "Jack Gillis" <jgil@widomaker.com>

I have finally reached the point where I want/need to get a UPS.  (At least I
think that is what they are called.)  

Can I really expect the thing to switch fast enough during disk I/O or
downloads for no data to be lost?

Thanks for any experiences any one might have.


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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     08-Dec-99 10:29:02
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:49:14, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

> In <y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-QWxVCoQdxnGk@dialup242.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
> on 12/07/99 
>    at 01:53 PM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
> 
> >On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:00:42, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
> 
> >> In
<y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-jHJs7d3eEP2L@dialup205.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
> >> on 12/06/99 
> >>    at 11:24 AM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
> >> 
> >> >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:37:29, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> All,
> >> >> 
> >> ><snip> 
> >> 
> >> >> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get on-line. 

> >> >> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.
> >> >> 
> >> >Since I have a LS-120 working fine under Warp4 with FP12 I thought I 
may
> >> >be able to help.  Where does the drive fail to boot?  I hate to  ask the
> >> >obvious but does your BIOS support booting from a LS-120?
> >> 
> >> Boots IBM PC-DOS from it just fine without any drivers.  Same for Caldera
> >> DOS.  Same for Lose98. 
> >> 
> >> Yes it supports booting from it.
> >> 
> >> The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging or
> >> rebooting the machine.
> >> 
> >> According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known problem,
> >> but they shipped "support" for it anyway.
> >> 
> >> Roland
> >> 
> 
> >Anything in your CONFIG.SYS that shouldn't be there?  Have you tried 
> >pressing Alt-F2 at the 'blob' to see where it's locking up?
> 
> Dude!  It doesn't get THAT far.  It dies during the loader.
> 
> Roland
> 

At that early stage the only way OS/2 is accessing your drive is 
through the BIOS.  Is the floppy you tried corrupted?  Is OS2LDR 
corrupted?


Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           08-Dec-99 07:22:12
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <82l3u2$gcg$2@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/08/99 at 08:12 AM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:


> Whether its a PC or a loaf of bread or a stack of paper, nobody MUST
> purchase anything.

When a government agency or other bid specifies a specific brand of
computer and does not allow any substitution and the bid also specifies an
operating system other than Windoze or the current flavor of same and one
wants to stay in business, one must pay for the software.

If the choice is making a few thousand dollars or starving to death, then
that's force. You can bet I'll be joining one of the class actions against
MS.


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           08-Dec-99 07:29:13
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384d400d_4@news1.prserv.net>, on 12/07/99 at 05:12 PM,
   me@my.place (me) said:

> Some Canadians do not understand US law, however most Americans do not 
> understand Canadian law.  Insulting all Canadians is a true showing of
> your qualities or lack there of.  I have met rude Americans and this
> does not mean all Americans are rude.  I judge an individual on there
> merits not by their country.

I never meant to insult anyone but the two assholes from Calgary, Britton
and Lars. If you read my thread, I clearly applied the term Canuck only to
those two.

> Microsoft is a Monopoly and has used questionable business practices.
> For those who disagree ...check out the stacker case for one... Which
> country they operate in has no bearing any more today, since all 
> countries are only a modem away.  This is why many countries now have
> human  rights clauses in trade agreements.  Moving to another country
> would merely mean that all Canadian companies would be impacted by the
> modified trade  legislation implemented by the protecing government (in
> this case the US). Microsoft moving to Canada would hurt Canadians more
> than it would benefit  Canadians.  Microsoft STAY AWAY...
> Me and My Opinion 

No, I don't know what Canada's law provides in such cases nor did I mean
to imply that Canada would permit M$ to there what it gets away with here.
Frankly, I would not wish M$ on Castro much less Canada. We (the US)
allowed the damn RICO to exist, it is up to us to exterminate it.

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          08-Dec-99 21:03:22
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: Help needed with display adapter

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 06:22:17 GMT, nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com wrote:

:>I have  an old Pent 133 system with a Trident TVGA8900C card in it (1
:>meg).
:>
:>I installed OS2 (V4) OK but I cannot configure it for anything better
:>than 640x480x16 colors.
:>
:>When I do the display driver install, it selects the correct display
:>adapter but when it comes to determining the hardware configuration I
:>keep getting a message " SVGA Installation Errror: Unable to determine
:>hardware configuration".  I have tried both the manual and the
:>automatic detection methods.
:>
:>Does anyone have any advice on this?

Did you install DOS support? Some display drivers for OS/2
need this to probe the adapter (or something) ATI come to
mind!

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
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Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
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  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           08-Dec-99 07:32:20
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <UMh34.80$Mm5.371185@news.bctel.net>, on 12/07/99 at 04:40 PM,
   "Don Wagner" <donw@bc.sympatico.com> said:

> Sorry. Supreme court of Canada. And you call our opinions meaningless.

I thought the final authority in the entire Commonwealth was the House of
Lords. I stand corrected.

As to the opinions of Canadians being meaningless, I meant they had no
standing in the current court case under discussion. The only opinion
which has any standing at this point is that of Judge Jackson. A judge or
jury in our system cannot and must not on pain of reversal consider other
than the evidence before him/her/it and apply US law to said evidence.

If Canada had joined the DOJ as party plaintiff, then the opinion of the
Canadian goverment (and through it presumably the opinions of the majority
of Canadians) would indeed have had standing during the trial. However,
that did not happen.


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           08-Dec-99 07:38:27
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384d432b_2@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/07/99 at 10:25 AM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

> Bob Germer wrote:
> >
> > Hell, we can stop you from entering the country period. Ask any Cuban if
> > he or she can legally enter the US except as a political refugee or on a
> > diplomatic passport which limits travel to a very small radius around the
> > UN.

> I think you should study some history.  Who burned down the White House,
> Bob?

The British Marines during a war some 189 years ago at this point. You
really are an asshole.

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          08-Dec-99 21:51:17
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: Double-bytes support (even only to read..)

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

Just read on a local server about a new Java based multilingual
wordprocessor from Just Systems. It weighs in at about 1.4Mb
and saves in XHTML. The person who tried it was using a
Japanese OS so I have no idea if it will work under an English
OS.

The URL is: http://www.justsystem.co.jp/ark/

Of course in Japanese :-)

Cheers

Wayne
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:05:42 GMT, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

:>In <qDuG3cByzJUa092yn@hticn.com>, scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter)
writes:
:>>In article <371A7B9D.5A4B2170@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de>,
:>>Yoshinobu Umezawa <umezgjih@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de> wrote:
:>>>I suppose I'm getting bits greedy.
:>>>How about writing? Most time I use Japanese OS/2. Since I learned from you
:>>>that English OS/2 is ok with multi-language, I might be able to shift my
works
:>>>entirely from Japanese OS/2 to English OS/2. These days I have been
swiching
:>>>back and forth, even including WinNT. Re-booting is time consuming...
:>>
:>>For entering Japanese I generally use Warp J (as you do), or use 
:>>NJStar (<http://www.njstar.com/njstar/japanese.htm>; "designed for 
:>>people whose PC are too slow to handle Win 95/98/NT") in a full-screen 
:>>DOS session, then cut and paste.  It's not very elegant, but it gets 
:>>the job done without having to reboot.
:>>
:>>-- 
:>>Stephen A. Carter            High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd.
:>><mailto:scarter@hticn.com>                               Nagoya, Japan
:>>
:>
:>there is also a very nice little dbcs input editor at xoom.com/castlemaster
:>which uses Java. Don't know if it does japanese but he includes instructions
:>and templates for other systems and is very fast at acting on user 
:>suggestions. Sort of freeware -- he asks you to send a donation to your 
:>preferred cause.
:>
:>sk l !
:>
:>----------------------------------------------------------
:>H rad  ngravv rd
:>Master of all he surveys
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: possum@tree.branch                                08-Dec-99 13:54:11
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: possum@tree.branch (Mike Trettel)

On 8 Dec 1999 08:12:50 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:
>As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Mike Trettel write:
>> On 6 Dec 1999 00:14:42 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:
>
>> >Who do you know who was forced to buy a copy of Windows?
>> 
>> Plenty of people.
>
>How exactly were they forced?  I strongly suspect that you will turn around
>and say that MS software was so valuable that they paid the price
>asked...which is in no way force.  Microsoft cannot force you to buy
>Windows.  The government, however, can force Microsoft to GIVE WINDOWS AWAY,
>or force you to pay taxes.

Being forced to pay the price as a condition of performing or supporting a
contract.  Please note that the implicit "value" of Windows doesn't enter
into it in the slightest.  I suspect that you are defining "force" as
being physical in nature, and not economic.  If so, that's a selective
definition.
 >
>> Let me put it to you this way.  Not everyone has the freedom to assemble
>> their own PC for a given situation, and must purchase a name brand PC off
>> the shelf for that situation.
>
>Whether its a PC or a loaf of bread or a stack of paper, nobody MUST
>purchase anything.

You're right!  My family really doesn't need to eat, therefore I
shouldn't buy any food this week! Of course, living in a strongly
capitalistic economy it isn't really neccesary to eat.

Your statement is so simple minded that I am staggered at the
implications.  Your zeolotry is showing.
>
>> calls for a non Windows OS. But of course, you will reply that the buyer
>> need not purchase from such OEMs, totally ignoring the first set of facts
>> I set forth-that the buyer needs to use a PC from these particular OEMs.
>
>Nobody has to buy anything from anything.  That is the fact that you have
>yet to understand.

Oh, I understand it fine.  What you blindly refuse to understand is that
the real world doesn't work that way.  You responded exactly as I 
predicted by stating that any purchase is strictly voluntary, which
totally ignores the very real economic interelationship between OEMS,
their suppliers, and the purchasers of the their products.

Ayn Rand was wrong.  Sorry.

-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               07-Dec-99 04:44:03
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Why can't Germer compute?

From: letoured@nospam.net

jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) said:

Read my paragraph again and pay attention. -- I said a tier-one ANY BRAND
machine without windoze and you rant about IBM.

So what number do I call to order a tier-one PC without windoze? Or are
you ready to admit you're full of shit?


>>letoured@nospam.net
>>Again, where do I find a tier-one (any brand) PC without windoze. Come on
>>big boy, you can tell us. We want the number to order one. You must have
>>it, you said we don't have to buy windoze so give me the number -- unless
>>of course your full of shit right up to your eyeballs. 

>And you don't have to buy Windows. Here's your first clue: You don't have
>to buy IBM either. IBM is just a Microsoft VAR when it comes to PC's. IBM
>sells the computers that way because IBM truly believes that this is the
>only thing that customers want, and which IBM wants to sell. If that's
>not what you want, then don't buy from a company which expects you to
>want that.

>>>>>>letoured@nospam.net
>>>>>>Assembling a computer without buying wincrap is one thing. Buying a
>>>>>>teir-one machine -- which most business in the US buy is impossible
>>>>>>without paying for wincrap.
>>
>>>>>This is, of course, not true.
>>
>>>>>Obviously, you know nothing about the computer marketplace. The fact that
>>>>>you're unable to do something that many others routinely do demonstrates
>>>>>your incompetence and ignorance.
>>
>>>>I'll bite. Lets see if you're all bull shit or if you know something---
>>>>give us telephone numbers to order say a IBM TP 600E without paying for
>>>>windows?
>>
>>>If IBM won't sell you what you want, why are you foolishly buying IBM
>>>products???
>>
>>>I see the problem now, and it's you.

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               08-Dec-99 08:42:25
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

 larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

>How exactly were they forced?  I strongly suspect that you will turn
>around and say that MS software was so valuable that they paid the price
>asked...which is in no way force.  Microsoft cannot force you to buy
>Windows.  The government, however, can force Microsoft to GIVE WINDOWS
>AWAY, or force you to pay taxes.

Lars, You've been over this and soundly corrected numerous times. You're
chasing your own asshole because its the only thing you can see -- which
means you are suffering from RCI. 

But I'll play along with you. Give me a number to call where I can order a
tier-one computer without paying for Windoze.


>Whether its a PC or a loaf of bread or a stack of paper, nobody MUST
>purchase anything.
>Nobody has to buy anything from anything.  That is the fact that you have
>yet to understand.

So according to you, people are not permitted to live a modern society if
it would impinge on the profits of the MS Lord or any other -- is this
what you are telling us?  

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               08-Dec-99 14:18:08
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> Do you have a filename for the version that will work?  I can't seem
> to find it.

Hobbes:
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/windows/w32s125.zip or
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/windows/win32s.zip

LEO:
ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/os2/windows/win32sv125.zip

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      08-Dec-99 14:49:09
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:38:55 -0500, Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:

>On <384d432b_2@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/07/99 at 10:25 AM,
>   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:
>
>> Bob Germer wrote:
>> >
>> > Hell, we can stop you from entering the country period. Ask any Cuban if
>> > he or she can legally enter the US except as a political refugee or on a
>> > diplomatic passport which limits travel to a very small radius around the
>> > UN.

You should check your own immigration laws. *Any* Cuban just has to
set foot on U.S. soil and he/she is in for good.  There is a special
immigration act that pertains to Cubans only.




EBB

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                08-Dec-99 08:55:22
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-n3desMXdoRH2@dialup65.naboo.kingston-internet.net>,
on 12/08/99 
   at 10:29 AM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:

>On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:49:14, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

>> In <y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-QWxVCoQdxnGk@dialup242.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
>> on 12/07/99 
>>    at 01:53 PM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
>> 
>> >On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:00:42, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
>> 
>> >> In
<y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-jHJs7d3eEP2L@dialup205.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
>> >> on 12/06/99 
>> >>    at 11:24 AM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:37:29, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >> All,
>> >> >> 
>> >> ><snip> 
>> >> 
>> >> >> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get
on-line. 
>> >> >> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >Since I have a LS-120 working fine under Warp4 with FP12 I thought I 
may
>> >> >be able to help.  Where does the drive fail to boot?  I hate to  ask
the
>> >> >obvious but does your BIOS support booting from a LS-120?
>> >> 
>> >> Boots IBM PC-DOS from it just fine without any drivers.  Same for
Caldera
>> >> DOS.  Same for Lose98. 
>> >> 
>> >> Yes it supports booting from it.
>> >> 
>> >> The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging
or
>> >> rebooting the machine.
>> >> 
>> >> According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known
problem,
>> >> but they shipped "support" for it anyway.
>> >> 
>> >> Roland
>> >> 
>> 
>> >Anything in your CONFIG.SYS that shouldn't be there?  Have you tried 
>> >pressing Alt-F2 at the 'blob' to see where it's locking up?
>> 
>> Dude!  It doesn't get THAT far.  It dies during the loader.
>> 
>> Roland
>> 

>At that early stage the only way OS/2 is accessing your drive is  through
>the BIOS.  Is the floppy you tried corrupted?  Is OS2LDR  corrupted?

Highly doubtfull since I can copy the os2ldr onto a floppy from the LS120
and it works.  Also, Disk 0 of the maintenance disks contains pretty much
only that.  Disk 0 can't get to completion in the LS-120 drive, but put in
the floppy drive and it works.

Roland

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From: sfactual@erols.com                                08-Dec-99 09:56:00
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Best SCSI cards for OS/2

From: Jon Schuck <sfactual@erols.com>

but the SIIG card IS NOT campatible with RSJ CD Writer software.

yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

> In <82gvcf$e4j$1@supernews.com>, on 12/05/99
>    at 05:44 PM, "John Sanderson" <john@sanderon.org.uk> said:
>
> >I use an ADAPTEC Ultra wide PDI Card and have never had any problems with
> >it or with drivers.
>
> SIIG makes an excellent (and compatible) SCSI card.
>
> Roland
>
> >John Roenigk <roenigk@ibm.net> wrote in message
> >news:375A651C.CF65F37B@ibm.net...
> >> I am preparing a new machine to do scanning and need to install a SCSI
> >> card. Which SCSI cards are known to be OS/2 Warp 4 compatible? Which
> >> would be most highly recommended (and why)? Help appreciated...
> >>
> >> John Roenigk
> >>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net              To Respond delete
".illegaltospam"
>                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
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From: nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com                          08-Dec-99 15:18:23
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: How can I tell what fix level I have?

From: nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com

The subject says it all.

How can I tell what fix level I have on my OS2 V4.0 system?

Thanks,

George

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                08-Dec-99 10:23:13
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Where is latest OS/2 fixpack?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie) said:

>Getting a new HD and want to know where the latest fixpack is for OS/2 V4

http://ps.boulder.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/softupd.html

Jim L
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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        08-Dec-99 15:27:08
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 19:03:23 -0500, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net
<yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net> wrote:
> >> I'm just happy I can access it from with OS/2 at all; I really
> >> couldn't care less about booting from it.  It's an irrelevant point
> >> for me now anyway, since I bought a couple of SCSI Zip 250s.  Much,
> >> MUCH faster.  
> 
> >My only floppy drive is an IDE LS-120, and I can boot OS/2 from it just
> >fine.
> 
> >I did have to disable busmastering on the IDE channel it was on before it
> >would work, though.
> 
> >i.e. 
> >      BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD /A:0 /!BM
> >where /A:0 is my primary IDE channel (and /A:1 would be secondary).
> 
> >The LS-120 is my only IDE device, however (SCSI system), so I don't know
> >how much difference that would make...
> 
> Once again, the system doesn't get far enough to look at config.sys.  It
> is still trying to get os2 loader running.
 
Well, I was replying to the above poster as well...

If it's that early in the process, though, OS/2 is still using the BIOS
to access the LS-120.  What kind of mboard do you have?  I know my Asus
was very erratic about booting from the LS-120 until I updated the BIOS 
to its latest code level.  (Even though it may boot other OSes - they
undoubtedly handle the BIOS in different ways.)

OTOH, have you tried Daniela's version of OS2LDR?  She's been fixing
so many other low-level OS/2 issues, maybe she caught this one too?
(I haven't tried her stuff myself, though.  Just a thought.)

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        08-Dec-99 15:32:03
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:52:36 GMT, RCW <mail@dontwannabesued.com> wrote:
> I've read about lots of people having system hangs when using
> Netscape.  I've used Opera for some time now.  It certainly will crash
> every so often, but it doesn't take the system down with it and so can
> be quickly reloaded.

Last time I tried Opera (on a system of questionable hardware 
integrity, true), it ran great for about ten minutes, then gave me
a hard trap (black screen).

Not that I blame Opera - I really love the browser - but even besides
that, I found it not quite as stable under Win-OS/2 as under even
normal Win3.1...

I do look forward to a native version.  I've been trying it out on my NT
system at work, and it kicks.  :)

Comm 4.61 runs just fine for me, though, given Netscape's inherent
idiosyncracies.  (Runs better than on Windows, actually.)

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                08-Dec-99 10:29:21
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: UPS's

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Jack Gillis" <jgil@widomaker.com> said:

>I have finally reached the point where I want/need to get a UPS.  (At
>least I think that is what they are called.)

UPS = Uninterruptable Power Supply

>Can I really expect the thing to switch fast enough during disk I/O or
>downloads for no data to be lost?

I just checked.  Started a download from Hobbes.  Jerked the plug out of
the wall 5 times.  Still downloading.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     08-Dec-99 15:38:11
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Bye Bye FP12

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:55:44, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:

> In <y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-n3desMXdoRH2@dialup65.naboo.kingston-internet.net>,
> on 12/08/99 
>    at 10:29 AM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
> 
> >On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:49:14, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
> 
> >> In
<y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-QWxVCoQdxnGk@dialup242.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
> >> on 12/07/99 
> >>    at 01:53 PM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
> >> 
> >> >On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:00:42, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> In
<y7xHJI5dddgW-pn2-jHJs7d3eEP2L@dialup205.fawlty.kingston-internet.net>,
> >> >> on 12/06/99 
> >> >>    at 11:24 AM, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) said:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:37:29, yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net
wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >> All,
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> ><snip> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> >> The way it stands now, I re-applied FP10...oldest I could get
on-line. 
> >> >> >> Still no sound card, still not bootable LS-120.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >Since I have a LS-120 working fine under Warp4 with FP12 I thought I  
may
> >> >> >be able to help.  Where does the drive fail to boot?  I hate to  ask
the
> >> >> >obvious but does your BIOS support booting from a LS-120?
> >> >> 
> >> >> Boots IBM PC-DOS from it just fine without any drivers.  Same for
Caldera
> >> >> DOS.  Same for Lose98. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Yes it supports booting from it.
> >> >> 
> >> >> The OS/2 Loader program doesn't even get started before either hanging 
or
> >> >> rebooting the machine.
> >> >> 
> >> >> According to the IBM developers which post here, this is a known
problem,
> >> >> but they shipped "support" for it anyway.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Roland
> >> >> 
> >> 
> >> >Anything in your CONFIG.SYS that shouldn't be there?  Have you tried 
> >> >pressing Alt-F2 at the 'blob' to see where it's locking up?
> >> 
> >> Dude!  It doesn't get THAT far.  It dies during the loader.
> >> 
> >> Roland
> >> 
> 
> >At that early stage the only way OS/2 is accessing your drive is  through
> >the BIOS.  Is the floppy you tried corrupted?  Is OS2LDR  corrupted?
> 
> Highly doubtfull since I can copy the os2ldr onto a floppy from the LS120
> and it works.  Also, Disk 0 of the maintenance disks contains pretty much
> only that.  Disk 0 can't get to completion in the LS-120 drive, but put in
> the floppy drive and it works.
> 
> Roland
> 
Did you create the boot disk in the LS-120 or in your floppy drive?


Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           08-Dec-99 15:46:07
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: How can I tell what fix level I have?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:18:46, nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com wrote:

> The subject says it all.
> 
> How can I tell what fix level I have on my OS2 V4.0 system?
> 

Open an OS/2 window and type SYSLEVEL

This will list all the syslevel files, the syslevel.fpk (?)
will appear at some point and indicate the
fix level.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              08-Dec-99 15:58:05
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: TCP/IP connected printers

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Jan Eri wrote:
> 
> 
> Do you mean LPRMON, or do you really mean LPD?
> I have not seen this particular behaviour with LPRMON here, all jobs get
> through ok, except for the real large ones (60-70MB PS files)
> 
  No, it's LPD: \PIPE\LPDx. I use LPRMON when I need an LPT port
available. Command line programs do not comprehend anything else.
  I do not recall sending such large files using LPRMON, though close:
30 - 50 MB.
  

-- 

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              08-Dec-99 16:02:26
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: SCSI Controllers

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


skrise@attglobal.net wrote:
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> Would I gain anything by buying the Adaptec instead?
> 
  $100 - $200 less in your pocketbook.
  As far as I can tell, adaptec offers no better (or worse) quality than
their competitors. Only at a much higher price tag.

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                08-Dec-99 11:09:19
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 14:48:04
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) said:

>I do look forward to a native version.  I've been trying it out on my NT
>system at work, and it kicks.  :)

I'm curious how big it is.  I don't use Netscape as my email program, no do
I use the brain impaired page composer.  So if Opera is a lot smaller I
would want to look at it.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 17:59:25
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw letoured@nospam.net write:
>  larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> >How exactly were they forced?  I strongly suspect that you will turn
> >around and say that MS software was so valuable that they paid the price
> >asked...which is in no way force.  Microsoft cannot force you to buy
> >Windows.  The government, however, can force Microsoft to GIVE WINDOWS
> >AWAY, or force you to pay taxes.
> 
> Lars, You've been over this and soundly corrected numerous times.

Hardly.  All anybody can do is demonstrate that a contract was signed.  Who
did Microsoft force to sell their product (as in, didn't have the company
sign an agreement?)?

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 17:57:03
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Mike Trettel write:
> On 8 Dec 1999 08:12:50 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:

> >How exactly were they forced?  I strongly suspect that you will turn around
> >and say that MS software was so valuable that they paid the price
> >asked...which is in no way force.  Microsoft cannot force you to buy
> >Windows.  The government, however, can force Microsoft to GIVE WINDOWS
AWAY,
> >or force you to pay taxes.
> 
> Being forced to pay the price as a condition of performing or supporting a
> contract.

Yes.  That would be expressed in the contract.  As with all contracts, there
are clauses which must be upheld.  Are you telling me that all these
companies failed to read the fine print?  (Which doesn't matter, since when
you sign a contract you're responsible for all parts of it).

Any contract requires you to perform the actions specified.  It isn't being
"forced", because you chose to sign the contract.

>          Please note that the implicit "value" of Windows doesn't enter
> into it in the slightest.  I suspect that you are defining "force" as
> being physical in nature, and not economic.  If so, that's a selective
> definition.

Economic force has no power except from government.  Having to live up to
the terms of the contract is not force or coercion.

> >> Let me put it to you this way.  Not everyone has the freedom to assemble
> >> their own PC for a given situation, and must purchase a name brand PC off
> >> the shelf for that situation.
> >
> >Whether its a PC or a loaf of bread or a stack of paper, nobody MUST
> >purchase anything.
> 
> You're right!  My family really doesn't need to eat

You don't _need_ to buy bread.  There's a difference.

> >> calls for a non Windows OS. But of course, you will reply that the buyer
> >> need not purchase from such OEMs, totally ignoring the first set of facts
> >> I set forth-that the buyer needs to use a PC from these particular OEMs.
> >
> >Nobody has to buy anything from anything.  That is the fact that you have
> >yet to understand.
> 
> Oh, I understand it fine.  What you blindly refuse to understand is that
> the real world doesn't work that way.

Nobody has yet shown a real world example where Microsoft "forced" somebody
to do something.  The _only_ demonstrations to date have been a company
signing a contract and having to live up to its terms.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 18:08:04
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> > Whether its a PC or a loaf of bread or a stack of paper, nobody MUST
> > purchase anything.
> 
> When a government agency or other bid specifies a specific brand of
> computer and does not allow any substitution and the bid also specifies an
> operating system other than Windoze or the current flavor of same and one
> wants to stay in business, one must pay for the software.

That's only if you make the CHOICE to go for the bid.  If an organization
puts out a bid request for a set of conditions, you either meet its
conditions or don't get the bid.  Any costs you incur by meeting the bid
should be included in the cost of your bid.  If you win, great.  If not,
somebody managed to find a way to do it cheaper than you did.

Again, you have not found a legitimate case of being forced to pay for
something.  All you've found is somebody who wants a special order, that is
going to cost extra money.  It's like somebody wanting an oak kitchen set
with arborite topping...it's gonna cost more, but if nobody wants to support
the evil aborite industry, they just don't agree to provide a kitchen set.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 18:16:10
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
> On <82euuu$fqg$3@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/06/99 at 12:11 AM,
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> > So in other words, a company isn't allowed to give a discount for
> > behaviour that they like?
> 
> In the United States, that is the case if the discount amounts to a
> restraint of trade

This is an extension of the belief that a business must constantly be
looking out for the interests of those who are not them...from competitors
to customers.  It is quite incompatible with a notion of freedom.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 18:22:05
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> > So you say that you have absolutely no right to speak out against, say,
> > China's one-child policy?  Or totalitarian regimes where thousands of
> > citizens are killed each year?
> 
> No, I do not have the right to tell China, Canada, or any other country or
> any state in the United States other than New Jersey how to run their
> country or state.

Okay, let me get this straight: you who believes that a business must ignore
its own interests to insure the betterment of those around it at all costs
doesn't think that a person has the moral duty to speak out against an
injustice, whether at home or abroad?

> 
> > >                      I do not presume to tell you what your laws should
> > > provide and you have no right to do so to the United States.
> 
> > An unjust law is an unjust law, whether it is in your country or not.
> 
> Only in your eyes if the law exists in a democracy or a representative
> democracy.

If you think that a democracy is an unwavering source of just and fair laws,
give your head a shake.

>              Our elected representatives and President or Governor in the
> case of a state pass laws the majority wants as evidenced by their votes
> in the elections.

And what about when the majority wants an injustice, like slavery or
antitrust?

>                   The courts make sure the majority does not infringe on
> the constitutional rights of the minority.

The court never protected Microsoft.  It doesn't protect the lives of a
million and a half babies a year.

> > > Our citizens decided that actions such as MicroSoft has been proven to
> > > engage in violate laws we found necessary for our society.
> 
> > That's when things get interesting.  For the sake of your society, a
> > person's property is not deemed to be of their own control.  How does
> > that jive with the right to own property?  Or the American slogan of
> > being for "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"?
> 
> One does not own any property.

What a quaint view.  Your abdication on property rights is the exact reason
you open yourself up to government persecution.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 18:30:21
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Stan Goodman write:
> On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:32:19, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

> > But all companies do this!  It's called entering a partnership.
> 
> I don't think the judge sees it that way. A vendor-buyer relationship is 
> not a partnership.

Why isn't it?  There's a voluntary agreement between two parties.

> > If another company doesn't enter into a partnership with you, you can
> > withhold things.  Like sales.
> > 
> > Microsoft is not required to sell their products at any price to any
people.
> > If Intel doesn't want to do what MS wants, MS doesn't have to support
them.
> > Microsoft isn't the babysitter of whining computer companies.
> 
> > Your problem is that when MS says "do this or you don't get to buy our
> > product", it has success behind it.  You will in all seriousness reply to
me
> > that because MS is successful it has to play by a different set of rules.
> 
> You could make the same point about Standard Oil decades ago

Yes, you could.  And it would remain correct.  The mythology of the
"Standard Oil Monster" isn't true, and as such doesn't frighten me.

> > >          Don't you read the newspapers? The recent court finding is that 

> > > there is a monopoly, and that Microsoft abused its monopoly position
> > 
> > But when the finding says "there is a monopoly", it means nothing.
> 
> What it means is that a monopoly does have to avoid restraining trade. 

It means a "monopoly" (which can apply to any business you choose) must
suddenly care more about others than itself.  Mandatory altruism, where a
company must suddenly give its competitors an advantage at every turn.

By that standard, if a hockey team is at the top of its standings, it must
regularly lose to teams in the divison to keep it "fair".

> Restraint of trade is a major no-no in the US; probably in Canada too.

True.  However, there is nothing morally wrong with a business conducting
what you call "restraint of trade".

> > To say Microsoft "abused its position" is to say that, my God, Microsoft
> > competed in the market (and didn't fail at it).
> 
> Locking up a market is, in general, not permitted, for more or less obvious
> reasons

The reasons are obvious...and WRONG.

> Restraint of trade is not competition; it is in fact anti-competitive.

"Restraint of trade" comes as a result of competition.  How you can call it
not competition is ludicrous.  The evidence of restraint of trade is the
winning of the competition!

> I understand that it is your belief that a trader is permitted to do 
> virtually anything that does not involve bloodshed. That has not been true 
> for over a century.

Then the U.S. has not been a free society for over a century.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 18:39:24
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Buddy Donnelly write:
> Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> > > When you threaten people with severe retribution (e.g. "We'll cut off
their
> > > air") if they dare to patronize your competitors, that is an abusive 
> > > monopoly.
> > 
> > But all companies do this!  It's called entering a partnership.
> 
> No, no more than "going into business" is the same as operating a monopoly.

Actually, going into business is the same as operating a monopoly.  Any
business can be ruled as a monopoly.

> > If another company doesn't enter into a partnership with you, you can
> > withhold things.  Like sales.
> 
> No, you're legally required to treat all members of a class of customer the
> same.

So much for freedom.

> > Microsoft is not required to sell their products at any price to any
people.
> > If Intel doesn't want to do what MS wants, MS doesn't have to support
them.
> > Microsoft isn't the babysitter of whining computer companies.
> 
> Not, not the babysitter. The bullwhipper.

Microsoft cannot cause harm to anybody.

>                                              The point made in the court 
> testimony is that M$ used illegal methods to prevent competing products 
> from reaching the market.

Methods which shouldn't be illegal by any stretch of the imagination.

> > Your problem is that when MS says "do this or you don't get to buy our
> > product", it has success behind it.  You will in all seriousness reply to
me
> > that because MS is successful it has to play by a different set of rules.
> 
> By longstanding law in the US, if *any* company (IBM? ATT? Standard Oil?) 
> is successful at eliminating all competition, then yes, they have to play 
> by a different set of rules.

By strange irony, not a single company you listed eliminated all
competition, nor could it if it tried.

>                            They have to take on a MORAL responsibility to
> insure that the customer, the end user, us here, don't get screwed, as we 
> have been in this case.

The customer is the one morally responsible for the state of the customer.
Microsoft is the one responsible for Microsoft.  It is MS that needs to
worry every day about the upstarts breathing down their neck.

> > >          Don't you read the newspapers? The recent court finding is that 

> > > there is a monopoly, and that Microsoft abused its monopoly position
> > 
> > But when the finding says "there is a monopoly", it means nothing.
> 
> Ask 100 corporate litigators if a Federal judge's finding of fact says 
> "there is a monopoly" means anything

It doesn't mean there's a monopoly.  So a finding saying so, even if a bunch
of morons assign it value, is meaningless...because it is TOTALLY WRONG.

> [You also might check your HTML on the index page, because whatever program
> you used to create it has butchered some of your indexing codes, rendering 
> them useless.]

Hey, don't blame Jed.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               08-Dec-99 13:48:15
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

 larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

>> >How exactly were they forced?  I strongly suspect that you will turn
>> >around and say that MS software was so valuable that they paid the price
>> >asked...which is in no way force.  Microsoft cannot force you to buy
>> >Windows.  The government, however, can force Microsoft to GIVE WINDOWS
>> >AWAY, or force you to pay taxes.
>> 
>> Lars, You've been over this and soundly corrected numerous times.

>Hardly.  All anybody can do is demonstrate that a contract was signed. 
>Who did Microsoft force to sell their product (as in, didn't have the
>company sign an agreement?)?

Everything you say revolves around your use of the word FORCE in the
physical sense to define a monopoly. Besides making you a simpleton, it
also proves you have not read the findings of fact or you would understand
what MS has done --  and why they are now trying to make a deal instead of
trying to prove the asinine points you continue to make.

Does the university there accept just anyone?

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: larso@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca                         08-Dec-99 17:03:13
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: White Thunder <larso@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>

Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:
>    "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:
> > Monopoly:
>
> > 1.  exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular
> > market, or a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.
>
> > Microsoft does not enjoy either of those two controls.
>
> It most certainly can and has manipulated prices. It forced Netscape
> to give away its browser, for example because it stopped selling IE as
> a separate program and bundled it with Windows 9x.

In that sense, EVERY business can "manipulate prices", because whenever
any business reduces the price for its product, its competitors often
must follow along.

Grocery stores and gas stations experience this power to "manipulate
prices" every day...you are forgetting two things:

a) the competitors of a company can do the same thing if so desirable
b) this is one of the prime reasons why a capitalist system is so
valuable...the only losers here are the businesses which need to cut
their profit margins...the purchasers (you and me) win, win, win!!!

> It tried to force Intuit out of business by giving away MicroSoft
> Money when Quicken killed sales of Money by its superior features.

Again, all businesses do this if they have an inferior product they wish
to sell.  People won't buy it at the same price as the superior product,
so they are forced to sell it dirt-cheap.0

--
Lars Ormberg
larso@ualberta.ca
http://go.to/larso/
"Hands gripped to the wheel held too tight to feel,
Face pressed to glass please don't ask"


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: crestone(remove-me)@nh.ultranet.com               08-Dec-99 12:12:11
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Mobile Office Services / Mobile File Sync

From: "Keith" <crestone(remove-me)@nh.ultranet.com>

Has anyone had any experience using Warp 4's Mobile Office Services / Mobile
File Sync?  
Does it work? Any comments would be appreciated.

Keith


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From: larso@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca                         08-Dec-99 17:09:04
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: White Thunder <larso@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>

Illya Vaes <ivaes@hr.nl> wrote:
> Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> >- Cable television.  Under the CRTC, Edmonton has 2 cable companies.
> >  One is only allowed to sell on the east side of town, the other
> >  only on the west
>
> In other words:
> If you want to live in East Edmonton, you have to accept getting
> company A. Hey, that's no monopoly, if you want company B, you can
> just go live in West Edmonton.
>
> If you change a few words, you've just given an excellent example of
> MS' "monopoly" (quoted just for your sense of redefinition to suit the
> outcome), especially in the period leading up to the DOJ suit:

Not at all, because you're forgetting why the situation EXISTS.

If I start up a company tomorrow that competes against Microsoft, I am
free to do so.  Many people have in fact done this, and are in business
as we speak.  If I start a competing cable company, I am THROWN IN JAIL.

This is the difference between a true monopoly and a "monopoly" as
defined by U.S. and Canadian law.  Microsoft has competitors (whether
they are successful or not is in no way the concern of government), and
even if they did not, nothing stops someone from becoming one.

--
Lars Ormberg
larso@ualberta.ca
http://go.to/larso/
"I could never give enough have enough be enough you could never stand
 to stay there.  Only Only Only to fade away fade away"


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: mail@dontwannabesued.com                          08-Dec-99 18:12:21
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: mail@dontwannabesued.com (RCW)

>I'm curious how big it is.  I don't use Netscape as my email program, no do
>I use the brain impaired page composer.  So if Opera is a lot smaller I
>would want to look at it.

That's Opera's big selling point.  It's tiny (sort of) because it
doesn't do everything from soup to nuts.  It's just a browser with
basic sendmail capabilities.

No drag and drop feature unfortunately.

RCW

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 18:13:00
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 16:40:13
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Its me write:
> You can now, but 4 years ago you could not. I went to all the major
> retailers looking for a computer without windows installed.

Whenever you go mainstream, you get what the mainstream want.

> The answer was you still need to pay for windows even if you did not
> want it. Just format your drive. 

Well, the major retailers aren't required to give you what they aren't
prepared to give.

> We were not allowed choices on what operating system we wanted nor
> were we allow to deduct the price of the O/S off of the computer
> price.

If this was such a problem, don't support them.  By agreeing to make a
purchase, you legitimized their choices.

> Oh and by the way, that was here in Edmonton Lars. 

It doesn't make a lick of difference where it was.  It wasn't wrong in the
first place.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: davek@clark.net                                   08-Dec-99 19:46:19
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: BootOS2 "disk full" problem

From: davek@clark.net (David Kunz)

Alan Beagley (abeagley@optonline.net) wrote:                          

: I just tried to make a set of OS/2 (Warp 4) boot floppies using 
: BOOTOS2 ver. 2.26.                                                  

: The procedure aborts with a message that there is not enough space 
: on the floppy.                                                      

: I have used the 2DISK=A parameter.                                  

Some of the files have grown in size.  Get and use the lzlite option
to compress the dll and exe files.

--
David Kunz
Operator error.  Replace operator and strike any key to continue...

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            08-Dec-99 19:39:29
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: BootOS2 "disk full" problem

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

I just tried to make a set of OS/2 (Warp 4) boot floppies using BOOTOS2
ver. 2.26.

The procedure aborts with a message that there is not enough space on
the floppy.

I have used the 2DISK=A parameter.

Alan

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From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net                            08-Dec-99 19:26:07
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: UltiMail and tcpip v4.1/4.2

From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net

Has anyone been able to get UML working properly with the 32 bit stacks?

When I try, it works fine with my dial-up ISP connection after I have
connected, and just use it on-line.  The problem shows up in off-line
operation.

When I compose letters off-line, they get sent to the deadlet.ter
file instead of going to the \mptn\etc\mqueue directory, to await
processing by sendmail when the next dial-up connection is made.

I can't figure out if it is a basic incompatibility between UML and the
new stacks (wr08600, wr08610, wr08620), or I just don't have the
right setup/configuration.

There is another oddity with the 32 bit stacks, and that is the dialog
box when you start it up.  The dialog box in the 16 bit stacks (from
linkup.exe) asks if you want to Connect or Don't Connect.  With the
32 bit stacks, the choice is Connect(to an ISP) or Connect to a LAN,
and since I want to be off-line, I choose Connect to a LAN, even though
I have no LAN, but just a single workstation (which happens to be
connected to another workstation by IBM Peer).  But, even if I shut
the other workstation down, it still sends the letters which are composed
off-line to the deadlet.ter file.

For the time being I have removed tcpip v4.1 from my system, but
would like to put it back with a fully working UML.

So--any ideas anyone?

-----------------------------------------------------------
Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
Plymouth, MN
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From: c.k.chrsitacopoulos_removeme@dun...               08-Dec-99 19:09:25
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: UPS's

Message sender: c.k.chrsitacopoulos_removeme@dundee.ac.uk

From: Charles Christacopoulos <c.k.chrsitacopoulos_removeme@dundee.ac.uk>


YES! No less will do ;-)


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From: goober@snit.com                                   08-Dec-99 19:23:13
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Where is latest OS/2 fixpack?

From: goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie)

Thanks for your help.  I'll need them when I get up to speed.

You must be kidding though.  Man, could this be more complicated.  No wonder
IBM couldn't market or support their products out of a paper bag. 


-Fixtool 1.41 is required to install the latest fixpack
-
-ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixtool/english-us/cs_141.e
-xe
-
-Fixpack 12 for the OS
-
-ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/xr_
-m012/
-
-Fixpack 1 for the Device Drivers
-
-ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/xr_d001/
-
-The device drivers and OS were split up after FP 10 (or 9 )
-
-The file to update the boot diskettes
-
-ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/os2ddpak/idedasd.exe
-
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-
-Lorne Sunley
-





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From: tayl075@ibm.net                                   08-Dec-99 10:29:19
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: ZipStream 1.10 on Warp 4

From: "Randall Taylor" <tayl075@ibm.net>

I've used ZipStream 1.10 on Warp 3 and very happy with it.  On Warp 4 it
seems to work, but exhibits some odd behavior (e.g. shadows of folders on
the desk top generate an error message that the directory can't be found,
although after the error message they open just fine).  Is there a Warp 4
update for this product or does anyone have another disk compression program
they can recommend for Warp 4.

TIA

Randall Taylor


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          08-Dec-99 19:32:02
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:03:26, White Thunder <larso@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
wrote:

da nada snipped.


Hey, quit it! You changed IDs and my filter didn't stop this from 
coming in.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: bdavis@fn.net                                     08-Dec-99 19:34:12
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: How can I tell what fix level I have?

From: bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:18:46, nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com wrote:

> The subject says it all.
> 
> How can I tell what fix level I have on my OS2 V4.0 system?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George

From a command prompt type syslevel | more
and page through the output. If you want a file
with the information from syslevel then at the
command prompt type syslevel > syslevel.txt
or any name you want to give the file. The
corresponding output from syslevel will be in
the file located in the root of your OS/2 boot
partition.


Brian Davis (bdavis@fn.net)

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From: eickhsr@jm-usa.com                                08-Dec-99 14:43:29
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: Stephen Eickhoff <eickhsr@jm-usa.com>


Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:05:15, bruce@os2box.omen.com.au wrote:
>
> > No matther what I do, I cannot get rid of a file in \mptn\bin directory.
The file name
> > is "SETUP*CMD,sss".
> >
> > I'm not able to drag the file to a floppy or any other partition on the
hard disk. Doing so
> > OS2 tells me it can't find drive "C". If I use del "SETUP*CMD,sss" is says 
"Deleting C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss
> > SYS0003: The system cannot find the path specified.
"C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD,sss"
> > Well I can tell you the file IS there.
> >
> > It does not seem to have any effect on the file system. My problem is that 
it's there and I
> > can't get rid if it. It's on a HPFS Warp 4 partition.
> >
> > Anyone have any clues please on how to rid my drive of this file???
> >
> >  bruce@os2box.omen.com.au
> >
>
> Put the whole drive:\path\filename within double quotes. Do this from
> a command line:
>
> DEL "C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*CMD.sss"
>
> WITH the quotes. I think the "*" is confusing things, and the quotes
> should help.
>
> If that doesn't work, try:
>
> DEL C:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP*
>
> which will delete every file in the directory, with a file
> name+extension that starts with SETUP, so be careful.

I don't recommend that, SETUP.CMD initializes the TCP/IP interfaces and would
be deleted. Maybe copy it somewhere
else first.

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 19:48:18
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw cbzh@my-deja.com write:
>   larso@ualberta.ca wrote:

> > If you have a problem with how a company does business, don't support
them.
> > If you can't find a company you want to support, then you just don't
support
> > any.  They don't have to change to suit your needs.  If the consumer base
> > you represent isn't worth the company's time, and happens to be not worth
> > any company's time, that's just the way of things.
> 
> The point you make in many of your statements (and here) is finally: As
> long as there are other OS'ses than Windows in the world legally sold
> there cannot be a monopoly

No, because anybody can freely compete.

> even if the reality is that you will either have no choice of hardware 

Hardware, like software, isn't a restricted enterprise.  There is not one
lone way of getting hardware, nor is there anything keeping an interested
party from starting up a new firm.

> This is all possible because the laws in most countries protect MS and
> its licenses more than the single user or the small software vendors;
> if they wouldn't, you could simply copy any MS software without having
> to pay anything and all the discussion would be a non-issue. But then:
> Is there any reason why the laws should only protect big businesses and
> not also single users and vendors?

Every computer programmer or company has intellectual property rights.
Piracy is just as wrong against MS as it is against the programmer down the
street.

> You say: If your _really_ want to buy a computer without Windows you
> just have to pay the price for it, no matter how much it is!

Yes, because you keep forgetting the other side: you believe that a company
has to serve as your servent, ready to sell you whatever you want to buy.
If you decide the price is "reasonable", then in your eyes that is all that
matters.

But any company, such as Microsoft, has rights.  It has the right to its
property, which means if they won't want to charge the "reasonable" price
you want, they don't have to.  If they don't like you and sell me something
at a far reduced rate, they can do that.  Both you and antitrust law works
on this assumption that a business must slave for the consumer/competitors.
This is in no way right, this is a brutal injustice.

> For me it's ok if the laws also protect big businesses as long as there
> are also laws protecting the consumer; if I cannot achieve 100% complete
> freedom in the world

Your view of pure and perfect competition is incompatible with freedom.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: john.luk@gov.ab.ca                                08-Dec-99 11:31:08
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: UPM default userid password

From: "John Luk" <john.luk@gov.ab.ca>

Trying to set up OS/2 File and Print Sharing on  a LAN segment.  The
following questions came up and your help is much appreciated...

1.  Do I need to set up UPM ?
2.  When I tried setting up UPM, I need to use the default userid/password
for initial setup, the help panel ask for referral to OS/2 documentation but
I can't information relating to this.  Any hints the default userid/password
?
3.  Does OS/2 "File and Print Sharing" work with Microsoft Windows's "File &
Printer Sharing" ?
4.  Can I logon to Window NT file server domain using OS/2 ?

Thanks...

John Luk
Alberta Innovation & Science



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From: pauncz@attglobal.net                              08-Dec-99 15:17:19
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: "Tom Pauncz" <pauncz@attglobal.net>

IBM/Lotus have released SmartSuite for OS/2 v1.5. You can download a copy from
http://www.lotus.com. 

Cheers,
Tom Pauncz


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     08-Dec-99 20:23:22
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: SCSI Controllers

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:24:14, skrise@attglobal.net wrote:

> I've heard mention of Tekram SCSI controllers in this
> thread.
> 
> How does the Tekram DC390F PCI Controller rate with
> regards to reliability and OS/2 support?
> 
> If those two qualities rate highly then I'm definitely
> going to consider purchasing it since it is US$100 less
> than the comparable Adaptec controller.
> 
> Would I gain anything by buying the Adaptec instead?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steven
> 
> -- 
> Abstainer: a weak person who yields
>            to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.
>            ... Ambrose Bierce

I can't comment directly on the DC-390F, but I have had good luck with
the DC-390U, with the exception that after I run OS/2 in GUI mode I 
need to turn the machine off, in order to be able to reboot. It just 
hangs where the Card BIOS should be initializing itself if I don't 
power off. then on (I don't have a reset button, so I don't know if 
that would change things). It works if I just boot OS/2 to a command 
line, then reboot, so it does have something to do with the GUI. (Also
works after a DOS/Win31 boot).

Other than that one small problem (which may not have anything to do 
with the Tekram card), I would recommend Tekram, but go to:
http://www.tekram.com/
and make sure you have the latest BIOS, and driver, for the card.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            08-Dec-99 19:42:04
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: ZipStream 1.10 on Warp 4

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

I am using ZipStream 1.20f. I don't know whether that is a free upgrade
for you or not.

Alan


Randall Taylor wrote:
> 
> I've used ZipStream 1.10 on Warp 3 and very happy with it.  On Warp 4 it
> seems to work, but exhibits some odd behavior (e.g. shadows of folders on
> the desk top generate an error message that the directory can't be found,
> although after the error message they open just fine).  Is there a Warp 4
> update for this product or does anyone have another disk compression program
> they can recommend for Warp 4.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Randall Taylor

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From: eickhsr@jm-usa.com                                08-Dec-99 14:41:27
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Cannot delete this file :- SETUP*CMD,sss

From: Stephen Eickhoff <eickhsr@jm-usa.com>

If you have DOS support installed, open a DOS window and try deleting it from
there.

Try using the "?" wilcard in place of the "*":  del setup?cmd,sss

bruce@os2box.omen.com.au wrote:

> I've actually tried using chkdsk after booting from floppies. I used /3 as
the switch and although
> a couple of minor errors were reported found the file still exists and
chkdsk passed it by.
>
> Thanks.
>
> In <384ACB72.F8C718CB@spam-not.rtd.com>, James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com>
writes:
>
> >  It may be that the file system has become damaged regarding that file.
> >I had a program that crashed and had the same symptoms (file shows in
> >DIR command, can't be found by DEL). No variation of quoting or
> >wildcards could convince the OS the file existed for deletion.
> >  Try running CHKDSK. Since this is the C: drive you'll have to boot to
> >floppies or a mainteneance partition to have corrections written out.
> >This may correct the problem.
> >  Another option is to backup up everything in that directory except the
> >file you want to ax, remove the directory (if it will not remove, rename
> >it), restore it. It *is* a bit draconian...
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >sma at rtd dot com
> >Remove "spam-not." for email

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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          08-Dec-99 20:24:03
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Tom Pauncz (pauncz@attglobal.net) wrote:
: IBM/Lotus have released SmartSuite for OS/2 v1.5. You can download a copy
from
: http://www.lotus.com. 

Do you have a direct link to the download? All I see is information.
I would be very surprised and very pleased if Lotus made v1.5 free for the
download...


Isaac

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     08-Dec-99 20:23:23
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: UPS's

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 05:28:23, "Jack Gillis" <jgil@widomaker.com> wrote:

> I have finally reached the point where I want/need to get a UPS.  (At least
I
> think that is what they are called.)  
> 
> Can I really expect the thing to switch fast enough during disk I/O or
> downloads for no data to be lost?
> 
> Thanks for any experiences any one might have.
> 

UPS = Uninterruptable Power Supply

It depends on what you get. Some of these things run the output from 
the wall plug, and switch to a backup system after a power drop is 
detected. This can take a few cycles, where your machine will not have
any power. MOST of the time, the switch will happen fast enough to 
allow the machine to continue running. In actual practice, I am not 
sure that you can actually get a UPS that does this anymore (the 
switch tended to cause large surges, and electrical noise, along with 
the relay contacts didn't always work properly). 

The better method, is to use the wall power to charge a battery, and, 
at the same time, feed the input to the backup system, which is always
used to supply the power to your system. With this method, you will 
see no difference when the wall power drops out, or cuts back in, 
since the battery is, in effect, always supplying power. 

Of course, in both cases, the battery has a limited length of time 
that it can supply sufficient power to keep your system running (with 
no wall power), which depends on how many devices you have connected 
to it, and how much current they require. I think you can expect to 
get roughly 15 minutes of uptime using an average UPS, running an 
average PC system. Of course, for more money, you can get bigger 
systems, with longer life, and if you really need to stay alive, a 
backup generator could be used in place of wall power (15 minutes, 
should be sufficient time to get one of these going, as long as you 
have planned for the requirement).

MOST UPS users would use it to supply enough power, for long enough, 
to allow a gracefull shutdown of the system, and no more. Most UPSs 
have an interface (usually, serial), that will signal the computer so 
that it knows, automatically, that there has been a power disruption. 
Compatible software can then be used to signal users (perhaps on a 
LAN) that there is a problem, and that they should prepare to shut 
down. A second signal is indicated, when the battery is getting 
critical, which should trigger a system shutdown. At that point, the 
UPS can safely turn off power, and the system will be "dead". If power
is restored, the UPS should also signal that event, and the system 
software can make some decisions on what to do in that case. Of 
course, if the power goes off again, before the battery has had a 
chance to recharge, the time to turn off will be very much shorter 
than if the battery was fully charged.

There are a number of UPS systems available, and I cannot recommend 
any specific system. What you want to do, is determine, exactly, what 
your requirements are (how much power, for how long, do you need a 
signal to the system, can you get software to handle that signal, 
etc.), then look for a system that will meet your requirements. A 
relatively inexpensive system without any signals, or software, will 
be sufficient, if all you want to do is ride through the odd power 
glitch, or short term brownout situation. On the other hand, if you 
absolutely require the system to be available 24/7, forever, you may 
need something more than just a UPS system.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: pauncz@attglobal.net                              08-Dec-99 15:37:03
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: "Tom Pauncz" <pauncz@attglobal.net>

On 8 Dec 1999 20:24:07 GMT, e-frog wrote:

>Tom Pauncz (pauncz@attglobal.net) wrote:
>: IBM/Lotus have released SmartSuite for OS/2 v1.5. You can download a copy
from
>: http://www.lotus.com. 
>
>Do you have a direct link to the download? All I see is information.
>I would be very surprised and very pleased if Lotus made v1.5 free for the
>download...
>
>
>Isaac

I don't think it is available for download.  It would be huge - about 152M. 
Try this link for more
info - http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/smartsuiteos2.
Cheers,
Tom Pauncz


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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         08-Dec-99 20:35:01
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:45:52 -0000, Kelvin Tsang wrote:

>
>Dave {Reply Address in.sig} <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:abbaryybaqryqrzbapbhx.fmdjqds.pminews@sharra.llondel.demon.co.uk...
>> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:47:43 GMT, Mark Mellin wrote:
>>
>> As an aside, did anyone notice that HP have discontinued decent
>> JetAdmin support for OS/2 -
>> you have to have an NT server on your system to run
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Dave, what do you mean ?
>Is that mean the new JetAdmin/2 will detect the existence
>of NT Server to work ?
>
Part of an email I received from HP, dated 11th October:

----------------------------------------------------------------
3. HP JetAdmin discontinuance notice
----------------------------------------------------------------
The simple installation tools for printer and print server installation

and HP Web JetAdmin for management, troubleshooting, and diagnostics
have 
become more powerful and simpler to use than HP JetAdmin. HP will
continue 
to invest and expand functionality with simple installation tools and
HP 
Web JetAdmin. As a result, this evolution and continual improvement
process 
allows HP to begin a discontinuance process for the HP JetAdmin family 
of software products listed below effective February 1, 2000:
 
* HP JetAdmin Version 2.7 for Microsoft Windows 3.1x 
* HP JetAdmin Version 3.4x for Microsoft Windows 95/98 
* HP JetAdmin Version 3.4x for Microsoft Windows NT
* HP JetAdmin Version D.06x for HP-UX 10x and 11x 
* HP JetAdmin Version D.06x for Sun Solaris 
* HP JetAdmin Version A.04x for IBM OS/2 

HP encourages customers to take advantage of the many benefits of HP
Web 
JetAdmin and the Simple Installation Tools by migrating to these robust

solutions at the earliest possible convenience. At the same time, HP
will 
provide full support of JetAdmin until January 31, 2002 to ensure ample

time to complete this transition. HP Web JetAdmin 5.6 is currently
available 
in English, French, Italian, German, Spanish, and Japanese. In the near

future HP will release new versions of Web JetAdmin that will also be 
available in Czech, Korean, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Simplified
Chinese 
and Traditional Chinese.

For more information on HP JetAdmin discontinuance and the extended
support 
timeline, please visit: 

     http://network-printing.com/Key=1674.M5m.D.g3aQ9

===========================================================

When I went looking for OS/2 versions of the Web JetAdmin, I discovered
from the HP website that:

>>HP Print Server Manager, along with HP Web JetAdmin, provide the
>>ability to install, configure, manage, and troubleshoot TCP/IP connected
>>devices on an intranet. For this support, HP Web JetAdmin 5.6 must be
>>installed on a Windows NT 4.0 PC (Workstation or Server) and HP Print
>>Server Manager must be installed on an OS/2 server.

(on http://www.hp.com/cposupport/networking/software/hppsosen.exe.html
)

I don't know what level of support you get without the NT machine but I
think it's bad that there isn't a native OS/2 equivalent.


Dave
-- 
mail da ve@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: jcbls@worldnet.att.net                            08-Dec-99 14:58:24
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Token-Ring and Ethernet (OS2) HELP- HELP

From: "JCBLS" <jcbls@worldnet.att.net>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a Token-Ring Network and Novel Server, I am connecting from OS/2 Warp 4 
Client fine.
But I want to connect the OS/2 client to another Server that is NT, which have 
one NIC card Olicom Token-Ring for the Novel Network and Another NIC that is
3COM Ethernet PCI for the Ethernet OS/2 clients.

How I go around, because I don't have much luck at this point.

Thanks,

JCBLS


------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BF418C.BB9DC890
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have a Token-Ring Network and Novel Server,&nbsp;I am 
connecting from OS/2 Warp 4 Client fine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>But I want to connect the OS/2 client to another Server that 

is&nbsp;NT, which have one NIC card Olicom Token-Ring for the Novel Network
and 
Another NIC that is 3COM Ethernet PCI for the Ethernet OS/2 
clients.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>How I go around, because I don't have much luck at this 
point.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>JCBLS</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 19:38:27
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw josco write:
> On 3 Dec 1999, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> > So you say that you have absolutely no right to speak out against, say,
> > China's one-child policy?  Or totalitarian regimes where thousands of
> > citizens are killed each year?
> 
> You have no sense of proportion.

If a small injustice is allowed to pass, it allows for a greater one.  And a
greater one.  And one greater still.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 19:32:02
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw letoured@nospam.net write:
>  larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> >> >How exactly were they forced?  I strongly suspect that you will turn
> >> >around and say that MS software was so valuable that they paid the price
> >> >asked...which is in no way force.  Microsoft cannot force you to buy
> >> >Windows.  The government, however, can force Microsoft to GIVE WINDOWS
> >> >AWAY, or force you to pay taxes.
> >> 
> >> Lars, You've been over this and soundly corrected numerous times.
> 
> >Hardly.  All anybody can do is demonstrate that a contract was signed. 
> >Who did Microsoft force to sell their product (as in, didn't have the
> >company sign an agreement?)?
> 
> Everything you say revolves around your use of the word FORCE in the
> physical sense to define a monopoly.

The alternate definition of force, the one you subscribe to, describes a
voluntary exchange!  How on earth can you say with a straight face that when
voluntarily signing a contract that it is force, but a definition of
force excluding voluntary actions are incorrect?

>                                           Besides making you a simpleton, it
> also proves you have not read the findings of fact or you would understand
> what MS has done

MS "has done" nothing wrong.  That they are illegal speaks to the flaw in
the law, not in the action.


Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  08-Dec-99 19:37:07
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Illya Vaes write:
> "Steven C. Britton" wrote:

> >Monopoly:
> >1. exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market, or
> >a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.
> 
> Windows is a commodity.

If you want to define any product as a commodity, then Sunny Boy breakfast
cereal (lovingly manufactured right here in Camrose, Alberta, available at
fine grocery stores everywhere) is a commodity, and therefore it's illegal
for the producers to manipulate (change) the price.

> MS certainly has a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices.
> If you were interested in facts instead of void definition games, you'd know
> that they used exactly that to force OEMs to only install Windows

Microsoft can ask for any price they want for their property...that's how a
capitalist system works.  If an OEM doesn't do what MS wants, MS doesn't
have to sell them Windows at a price desirable to an OEM.  And the OEM
DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY.

> certainly have seen for yourself -before others pointed it out- that the
price
> of Windows etc. has stayed the same and even gone *up* while PC hardware
> prices have only plummeted.

Big deal.  If they had dropped, you'd use that as evidence of a monopoly.
If they hadn't moved, you'd use THAT as evidence of a monopoly.  Charging
ANY PRICE WHATSOEVER is legal "evidence" of a monopoly.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               08-Dec-99 13:38:29
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: fix pack installaton

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Ivan, not sure how you are installing the FP over the LAN, you were not
very specific.

The reason for the re-boot is to handle LOCKED FILES. No way around it.
FSERVICE should have terminated after it displayed the message and the
user responded. 

There is a README.CID with the FP, read that as it might help.

Irv

Ivan Tang wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> I am trying to install an OS2 fix pack in the computers in our LAN. In order
> to minimize the possible interpution to our users, I am using
> the unattended mode and a response file to install the fix pack.
> 
> My question is: At the end of the installation, it prompts the users
> to enter ctrl-alt-del to restart the computer. After rebooting
> the PC, the fix pack installation program, fservice.exe, is still running. I
> just wonder how to make this fservice.exe to terminated by
> itself?  I have read books about the CID installation, and found
> that there is a key word "RebootRequired" could make the PC to restart
> itself by adding it into the response file, but the
> response file comes with the fix pack  did not allow me to add such
> word, what have I done wrong?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Victor
> email: victor.hw.tang@hkjc.org.hk

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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               08-Dec-99 16:59:21
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On 8 Dec 1999 18:30:43 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

=>
=>It means a "monopoly" (which can apply to any business you choose) must
=>suddenly care more about others than itself.  Mandatory altruism, where a
=>company must suddenly give its competitors an advantage at every turn.
=>
=>By that standard, if a hockey team is at the top of its standings, it must
=>regularly lose to teams in the divison to keep it "fair".

It has nothing to do with altruism, or with giving competitors an advantage.

THE PURPOSE OF A BUSINESS IS TO SATISFY THE CUSTOMERS.

That's all. That's its only justification for existence. (If you want to say
it's to make a profit, you are confusing incentive and purpose. Since so many
people make the same mistake, I guess you can be xcused from making it too
--once!)

Therefore, a business does not have the right to limit, constrain, or force
customers' choices.

If you disagree with this proposition, you are subscribing to the business
ethic of organised crime.




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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               08-Dec-99 17:01:09
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On 8 Dec 1999 18:16:21 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

=>This is an extension of the belief that a business must constantly be
=>looking out for the interests of those who are not them...from competitors
=>to customers.  It is quite incompatible with a notion of freedom.

This is very interesting concept of freedom. Explain.




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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               08-Dec-99 17:20:08
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On 8 Dec 1999 17:57:06 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

=>Nobody has yet shown a real world example where Microsoft "forced" somebody
=>to do something.

Well, here's one. Listen up. Lars, this really happened.

Prefatory remark: When the context in which you make a choice is such that
some choice you want  to make is simply not available, then someone or
something has exercised force by limiting your options.

I wanted to choose to buy a nifty computer at a nifty price, as advertised in
the local press. I called to determine whether I could get that nifty machine
without the bundled software. No problem, said the salesperson. Would I get a
discount for that? No problem, said the sales person. Could I get the machine
blank, ie, with NO operating system whatever on it? Problem, said the
salesperson. I had to take Win95 if I bought the machine. Well, would they
wipe the hard drive for me? Well, maybe, but couldn't I do it myself? I don't
want ot, I said; youi do it for me. Well, no they could not do that. Well,
waht if I came in, and reformatted the drive myself, right there in the shop,
and left the Win95 CD etx behind? Well, I guess that would be alright, said
the salesperson. In that case would I get a discount for the now non-existent
OS on that machine ? No, I would have to pay for it anyhow!

Now that little story means that someone or other was limiting my choices.

If that someone or other is the State of the Universe, you have to grin and
bear it.

If that someone or other is a human being (or an organisation of human
beings), then that someone oir something made a decision or choice which
resulted in harm to me -- the harm of limiting my options. That's wrong, even
by, no >>espcially by<< Ayn Rand's standards. And therefore I have a right to
try to make them pay.

Lars, if you are a follower of Ayn Rand (as your rhetoric suggests,) then you
had better figure out all the implications of her philosophy.




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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               08-Dec-99 17:33:05
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On 8 Dec 1999 18:30:43 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

=>> Locking up a market is, in general, not permitted, for more or less
obvious
=>> reasons
=>
=>The reasons are obvious...and WRONG.

I presume you will list them, and explain why they are wrong.




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From: jgil@widomaker.com                                08-Dec-99 16:17:28
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: UPS's

From: "Jack Gillis" <jgil@widomaker.com>

On 8 Dec 1999 20:23:46 GMT, Doug Bissett wrote:

> A 
>relatively inexpensive system without any signals, or software, will 
>be sufficient, if all you want to do is ride through the odd power 
>glitch, or short term brownout situation. 

That is exactly what I want to happen.  Give me time to do a graceful
shutdown.  

Thank you for your picture of the power backup situation.  It was
informative.


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             08-Dec-99 21:52:02
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Can't get news group headers under OS/2

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

I have a strange problem with ProNews and one particular news group.

For some reason it will not retrieve headers from this NG.  However, if
I use Gravity while booting W98 it retrieves headers fine.

BTW, Free Agent will not retrieve headers either for this NG while
running under WinOS/2.  It is a football NG so there are always plenty
of posts.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: pauncz@attglobal.net                              08-Dec-99 17:00:24
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: Can't get news group headers under OS/2

From: "Tom Pauncz" <pauncz@attglobal.net>

On 8 Dec 1999 21:52:04 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:

>I have a strange problem with ProNews and one particular news group.
>
>For some reason it will not retrieve headers from this NG.  However, if
>I use Gravity while booting W98 it retrieves headers fine.
>
>BTW, Free Agent will not retrieve headers either for this NG while
>running under WinOS/2.  It is a football NG so there are always plenty
>of posts.
>
>                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com
>

Strange .. but it might explain why I cannot post to some of these newsgroups, 
though I CAN get the
headers OK.  I am using PMInews from Stardock Systems.
Cheers,
Tom Pauncz


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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          09-Dec-99 07:33:27
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: How can I tell what fix level I have?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:34:25 GMT, Brian Davis wrote:

:>From a command prompt type syslevel | more
:>and page through the output. If you want a file
:>with the information from syslevel then at the
:>command prompt type syslevel > syslevel.txt
:>or any name you want to give the file. The
:>corresponding output from syslevel will be in
:>the file located in the root of your OS/2 boot
:>partition.

There's a nifty little GUI utility called InProTrak
on Hobbes (ipt113.zip) that will give you all the
levels of all installed components. Saves all
that typing :-)

Cheers

Wayne


******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               08-Dec-99 15:55:13
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

e-frog wrote:

> Tom Pauncz (pauncz@attglobal.net) wrote:
> : IBM/Lotus have released SmartSuite for OS/2 v1.5. You can download a copy
from
> : http://www.lotus.com.
>
> Do you have a direct link to the download? All I see is information.
> I would be very surprised and very pleased if Lotus made v1.5 free for the
> download...
>
> Isaac

Try the copy recently released to IBM's Testcase.
From all reports it is exactly the same.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"1999 Members - Y2K ReUp Discounts For You!"


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From: admin@hotmail.com                                 09-Dec-99 00:01:27
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

From: admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:18:17, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

> Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> > Do you have a filename for the version that will work?  I can't seem
> > to find it.
>
> Hobbes:
> ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/windows/w32s125.zip or

I tried this one and all it seemed to do is to install freecell.  I 
think that
the installation routine detected newer files and skipped them.  Do 
you know a
workaround?


Edmond Dantes
phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               08-Dec-99 15:58:24
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: How can I tell what fix level I have?

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com wrote:

> The subject says it all.
>
> How can I tell what fix level I have on my OS2 V4.0 system?
>
> Thanks,
>
> George

Type syslevel at any OS/2 prompt.  Look for:

C:\OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.FPK
                           OS/2 Warp 4 Service Level
Version 1.00     Component ID xxxxxxxxx
Type Fixpak
Current CSD level: XR0M012
Prior   CSD level: XR0M012

It is about the fourth or fifth screen.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City - http://warpcity.com
"Y2K Discount ReUps For Current Members!"



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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            08-Dec-99 17:56:01
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

Bob Germer, foaming at the mouth, wrote:
>
> > I think you should study some history.  Who burned down the White House,
> > Bob?
>
> The British Marines during a war some 189 years ago at this point. You
> really are an asshole.

Yes, the British torched your beloved White House (which was actually pink
at the time).  The point I'm making (which you missed) is that people CAN
and DO enter the US without permission or passports.

They have in the past, they do now, and they will in the future.

And by the way -- the British Marines entered the US from what was to become
Canada in 1867.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
What have YOU done to bust a union today?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: mschmidt@home.com                                 09-Dec-99 00:59:06
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: UPM default userid password

From: Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@home.com>


John Luk wrote:
> 
> Trying to set up OS/2 File and Print Sharing on  a LAN segment.  The
> following questions came up and your help is much appreciated...
> 
> 1.  Do I need to set up UPM ?

Not sure. I just work here(<g>). When I set up my LAN (some years ago,
unfortunately) I just did what the selective install told me and
stumbled around in the dark some until the machines talked to each
other. Seems it was easier with 3 connect than with 4, but again, its
been a while. Some day I'll learn to take notes when I do these things,
but I haven't yet. Maybe a smart person will jump in here...

> 2.  When I tried setting up UPM, I need to use the default userid/password
> for initial setup, the help panel ask for referral to OS/2 documentation but
> I can't information relating to this.  Any hints the default userid/password
> ?

Don't recall needing this, but a previous post claims it's (now don't
laugh) USERID and PASSWORD.

> 3.  Does OS/2 "File and Print Sharing" work with Microsoft Windows's "File &
> Printer Sharing" ?

Finally on firm ground. Yes.

> 4.  Can I logon to Window NT file server domain using OS/2 ?

Dunno (no NT server here) but I don't see why not.

> 
> Thanks...
> 
> John Luk
> Alberta Innovation & Science

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From: possum@tree.branch                                09-Dec-99 01:05:21
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: possum@tree.branch (Mike Trettel)

On 8 Dec 1999 17:57:06 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:
>As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Mike Trettel write:
>> On 8 Dec 1999 08:12:50 GMT, Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:

>> Being forced to pay the price as a condition of performing or supporting a
>> contract.
>
>Yes.  That would be expressed in the contract.  As with all contracts, there
>are clauses which must be upheld.  Are you telling me that all these
>companies failed to read the fine print?  (Which doesn't matter, since when
>you sign a contract you're responsible for all parts of it).

Actually, that's incorrect under US law.  Under US law a contract is null
and void if it is entered to under duress (one example), or if it states
that the contractee must do something illegal (such as paying a kickback,
however disguised).  There's plenty of exceptions to your blanket
statement above, enough that your statement doesn't make any real sense.
Contract law is *not* the simple thing that you've made it out to be.  The
classic example of the first condition is Microsoft pressuring IBM to
drop OS/2 alltogether in order to get the same OEM price as Dell and
Compaq.  IBM balked at this, so MS basically told IBM they can pay the
full over the counter price.  IBM didn't get a contract until 15 minutes
before the official Win95 release date, and signed because they knew that
the IBM PC Co. would be dead in the water without Win95.  I know you will
state that IBM did this "voluntarily", but the Norris testimony in the
antitrust trial shows pretty clearly that IBM did it to keep the PcCo
alive.

You'll just hand wave this away though.  It must be nice to be always
right.

 >
>Any contract requires you to perform the actions specified.  It isn't being
>"forced", because you chose to sign the contract.

And if the contract states you must break the law in some fashion?  Is
that a legal contract?

>Economic force has no power except from government.  Having to live up to
>the terms of the contract is not force or coercion.

100 years of antitrust law in the US disagrees with this proposition.  If
you feel you can do better, please inform all of us.  Otherwise, you're
just hand waving.

>
>You don't _need_ to buy bread.  There's a difference.

I suppose I don't need to breath, either.  This statement is so far from
reality that it's nonsense.

>Nobody has yet shown a real world example where Microsoft "forced" somebody
>to do something.  The _only_ demonstrations to date have been a company
>signing a contract and having to live up to its terms.

The only way you can accept this is to totally ignore the testimony
offered in the antitrust trial and the findings of fact.  All you've done
when addressing that issue is to vehemently disagree with it, without
giving any real reason why.  You're coming across as a idealogue, and a
narrow minded one at that.

-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: mschmidt@home.com                                 09-Dec-99 00:41:03
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: Long file names

From: Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@home.com>

If you wanted to cross Mr. Gate's palm with a little more silver, you
could do Win98 and a FAT32 partition. There is an OS/2 .ifs FAT32 driver
floating around (I faound it at OS/2 hq). You can then copy files into
that partition from winland and out from OS2land (or vice versa) with no
long file name or ea problems - at least none that I've seen.

Cheers

"A. Willard Reese" wrote:
> 
>         Can someone tell me how I can get long filenames (with spaces in
> them) from Win95 FAT16 partition to OS2 on an HPFS partition on the
> same hard drive.
>         I have a cdrom with over 150 *.TIF files with long filenames that
OS2
> refuses to read.  Win95 reads them and downloads them just fine into a
> FAT partition.  If I copy them from the Fat partition into OS2 all the
> filenames are truncated (xxxxx~1.tif). Is there any  way that I can
> copy these files, with the long filenames intact, from that FAT
> partition into OS2 without renaming every file?
>         I'm appreciative of any help or suggestions you might offer.  I'm
> really stumped.
> Willard

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               08-Dec-99 21:44:03
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:03
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

>> Everything you say revolves around your use of the word FORCE in the
>> physical sense to define a monopoly.

>The alternate definition of force, the one you subscribe to, describes a
>voluntary exchange!  How on earth can you say with a straight face that
>when voluntarily signing a contract that it is force, but a definition of
>force excluding voluntary actions are incorrect?

If the alternative to signing is to go out of business then there is
force.


>>                                Besides making you a simpleton, it
>> also proves you have not read the findings of fact or you would understand
>> what MS has done

>MS "has done" nothing wrong.  That they are illegal speaks to the flaw in
>the law, not in the action.

If this is correct, then you should be capable of identifying and
explaining how the findings of fact are wrong, and how the law itself
would be unconstitutional.  -- And if so, then according to you we have
the richest man in the world being railroaded into agreeing with an
illegal law instead of defending himself. 

Since this is completely absurd, I have to state again that all we've
gotten from you is bullshit -- where is you're real, reasoned stuff? Or do
you just argue for the sake of it, since you don't make sense in the real
world.

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            09-Dec-99 03:00:03
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: BootOS2 "disk full" problem

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

Well, thank you. Why wasn't I smart enough to think of that?

The files all fit on the disks now, BUT when I try to boot from them it
bombs out on the second disk with a message about not being able to find
a message file for error 0004 -- BSH.MSG, I think.

Alan


David Kunz wrote:
> 
> Some of the files have grown in size.  Get and use the lzlite option
> to compress the dll and exe files.

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From: nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com                          09-Dec-99 00:31:26
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: How can I tell what fix level I have?

From: nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com

Thanks..

I purchased OS2 V4 about 2 years ago and have never have applied a
"fix" so the syslevel.fpk does not appear in the list.

Does that make me level 0?

George

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:46:14 GMT, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne
Sunley) wrote:

>On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:18:46, nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com wrote:
>
>> The subject says it all.
>> 
>> How can I tell what fix level I have on my OS2 V4.0 system?
>> 
>
>Open an OS/2 window and type SYSLEVEL
>
>This will list all the syslevel files, the syslevel.fpk (?)
>will appear at some point and indicate the
>fix level.
>
>--
>
>Lorne Sunley
>

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From: rwc@coastnet.com                                  08-Dec-99 16:00:15
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: FixPack12 & EPM 6.03b

From: Charles Cohen <rwc@coastnet.com>

Just istalled Fixpack12 and the only problem hat I am having is that
although I can launch (open) the EPM v6.03b...I cannot load or save or
anything for that matter because the program shuts itself down.
Chuck

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From: bingw@okanagan.net                                09-Dec-99 01:15:03
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Corel Suite 8 for win 98 in Warp 3 ?

From: bingw@okanagan.net


I would like to know if anyone knows if something like corel suite 8 for
windows 95/98 can be run in OS/2 Warp 3 with any kind of win 32 software.
I have seen where some of you have said that there is software that will
allow some windows 95/98 software to run in Warp.
     Any help will be very much appreciated.

Leo (Bing) Whiteway in Kelowna, BC, Canada
http://www.okanagan.net/users/bingw

A computer without Micro Soft is like a chocolate cake without mustard

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From: ajgalvan@pobox.com                                08-Dec-99 20:21:21
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Netsc. 4.61

From: ajgalvan@pobox.com

I have Warp-4, Fixpak-12, Netscape 4.61 128 bit encrypt.  My problem: if
I click a URL that is an ftp transfer (to download a file), nothing
happens . . . in other words, the download does not begin after the
indicator box of percentage downloaded appears.  What could be the
problem?
-- 
 ===>  tgal@pobox.com


InfoBaHn on:  Rockwell, Netscape, InJOY, and OS/2
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           09-Dec-99 00:18:29
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <82m84j$m61$8@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/08/99 at 06:30 PM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> > I understand that it is your belief that a trader is permitted to do 
> > virtually anything that does not involve bloodshed. That has not been true 

> > for over a century.

> Then the U.S. has not been a free society for over a century.

Neither, then, has Canada, Great Britain, or any other country in the
western world which regulates businesses for the good of the common
citizen.

Of course that is absurd. By your infantile, distorted reasoning not
worthy of a kindergarten dropout, only anarchy would be acceptable.

I have decided that I will never interview a graduate of the University of
Alberta if they confer any degree upon you. If you are an example of the
university, the university is a disgrace to the name, the province, the
country, and the world.

A copy of this message is being sent to the university.

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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           09-Dec-99 00:29:17
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384ea7fe$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, on 12/08/99 at 01:48 PM,
   letoured@nospam.net said:

> Does the university there accept just anyone?

Evidently.

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     08-Dec-99 22:05:13
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


Bob Germer wrote:

> On <82m84j$m61$8@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/08/99 at 06:30 PM,
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
>

> > Then the U.S. has not been a free society for over a century.
>

> I have decided that I will never interview a graduate of the University of
> Alberta if they confer any degree upon you. If you are an example of the
> university, the university is a disgrace to the name, the province, the
> country, and the world.
>
> A copy of this message is being sent to the university.

"Answer the fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit."

Hey, Kids will be Kids.

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From: noyb@noyb.no                                      09-Dec-99 06:33:22
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: noyb@noyb.no (None Of Your Business)

Were you always a tattle-tale?

Maybe you should call his mom and let him know you don't agree with him.

One more question:  Do you buy, or make your own pencil cozy's?

bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com (Bob Germer) wrote in <384f3c56$1$obot
$mr2ice@news.pics.com>:
>A copy of this message is being sent to the university.

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From: rcrane@octa4.net.au                               09-Dec-99 05:05:29
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:32:40, Bob Germer 
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:

> I thought the final authority in the entire Commonwealth was the House of
> Lords. I stand corrected.
> 
 No and generally it never was - the Privy Council was and 
for some Cth Nations still is the final Court of Appeal
Richard A Crane
Barrister & Solicitor
slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT 
octa4.net.au 
OR rcrane AT attglobal.net

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           09-Dec-99 00:23:04
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384efe4d_1@news.cadvision.com>, on 12/08/99 at 05:56 PM,
   "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> said:

> Yes, the British torched your beloved White House (which was actually
> pink at the time).  The point I'm making (which you missed) is that
> people CAN and DO enter the US without permission or passports.

Again you show your complete inability to read and comprehend what was
posted. I said no one could LEGALLY enter the US from Cuba without a
diplomatic passport.

> They have in the past, they do now, and they will in the future.

Not legally which is what I said.

I figure that you and larso must have been caught by one of the bulls at
the Calgary Stampede and brain damaged. Otherwise, there is no possible
excuse for the density of you two.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           09-Dec-99 00:28:19
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <384e6f7c.2727455@news1.sympatico.ca>, on 12/08/99 at 02:49 PM,
   siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea) said:

> You should check your own immigration laws. *Any* Cuban just has to set
> foot on U.S. soil and he/she is in for good.  There is a special
> immigration act that pertains to Cubans only.

Only if they seek asylum. Cubans travelling for business or pleasure are
not admitted.

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From: ppridgen@OregonVOS.net                            08-Dec-99 21:48:23
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Fixpak 40 Broke ess1868 sound

From: Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net>


I'm not quite sure where I am with this. I installed the Fixpak 40 from
the WarpUp CD, and now I'm getting errors when the device driver for my
soundcard tries to load. I've remmed it out of Config.sys so that I can
use my system, but it would be nice if someone could point me in the right
direction on how to fix this. I'm not sure if this is related to the
Fixpak, or to the updated ESS drivers that are on the CD. But..when it
appeared that ESS was broken, I tried installing the older (?) driver that
I had been using, and it still appears broken.

Any ideas on what to do next would be appreciated. I'm not sure how I got
this to work on other time.


--
Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
Linux - OS/2 dual boot. Win what?

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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             09-Dec-99 06:24:22
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:55:27, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

> Try the copy recently released to IBM's Testcase.
> From all reports it is exactly the same.

Either it's no longer there 
(ftp://testcase.software.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/os2/ ), or you have to 
know pretty well your way through the testcase maze.


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           09-Dec-99 01:49:12
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <HN2tEbdbtdhk-pn2-mjTE4zTnPwdg@localhost>, on 12/09/99 at 05:05 AM,
   rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane) said:


> > I thought the final authority in the entire Commonwealth was the House of
> > Lords. I stand corrected.
> > 
>  No and generally it never was - the Privy Council was and  for some Cth
> Nations still is the final Court of Appeal

I stand further corrected. I THOUGHT I recalled reading that a delegation
from the House of Lords was the final arbiter of the fate of the
Argentinian Dictator's extradition. Is my memory wrong or is the Privy
Council that group of Lords?

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          09-Dec-99 15:28:17
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: CD-ROM

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

Hi,

Until recently I had two ATAPI CD-ROMs in my machine
but took one out to make space for another hard disk.
Now I can't get rid of the Compact Disk 2 icon or in the
Multimedia Folder and in the Multimedia Setup. I've tried
deleting it and running Checkini but it comes back after a
reboot.

Can someone please tell me how to rid myself of this?

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: norrisg@spam_free_linkline.com                    08-Dec-99 23:10:27
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@spam_free_linkline.com>

Tom Pauncz wrote:
> 
> IBM/Lotus have released SmartSuite for OS/2 v1.5. You can download a copy
from
> http://www.lotus.com.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tom Pauncz

This is either from a different Lotus than the one I visited at this
URL, or there a) isn't a Smartsuite for OS/2 of any variety which can be
downloaded and b) isn't even the possibility of buying 1.5 as the site
only lists 1.11 for sale!

You'd think that once they've got an announcement page put up, the
turkeys at Lotus could actually get their online store changed so you
can buy the darned thing. Still, if anyone managed to buy it, it would
suggest the existance of users, and we all know IBM would prefer to
believe there are no OS/2 users!

Graham.

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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             09-Dec-99 09:19:12
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 10:23:11
Subj: Re: Corel Suite 8 for win 98 in Warp 3 ?

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:15:07, bingw@okanagan.net wrote:
> 
> I would like to know if anyone knows if something like corel suite 8 for
> windows 95/98 can be run in OS/2 Warp 3 with any kind of win 32 software.
> I have seen where some of you have said that there is software that will
> allow some windows 95/98 software to run in Warp.
>      Any help will be very much appreciated.

We're talking about the Odin project (http://www.netlabs.org/odin/). I
doubt it will allow you to run large and complex applications like 
Corel Suite any time soon. You can always check on your own whether it
will run or not.

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From: tgalley@pironet.com                               09-Dec-99 12:05:02
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 10:23:11
Subj: Re: Corel Suite 8 for win 98 in Warp 3 ?

From: Thomas Galley <tgalley@pironet.com>

Hey!

I doubt very much that Odin will make anything this large run before a
rather long time, but why bother with applications written for Windowze
when there are native solutions at hand? Consider SmartSuite or
StarOffice. The latter is even for free, even for commercial use!

Greetings/2

Thomas

bingw@okanagan.net wrote:
> 
> I would like to know if anyone knows if something like corel suite 8 for
> windows 95/98 can be run in OS/2 Warp 3 with any kind of win 32 software.
> I have seen where some of you have said that there is software that will
> allow some windows 95/98 software to run in Warp.
>      Any help will be very much appreciated.
> 
> Leo (Bing) Whiteway in Kelowna, BC, Canada
> http://www.okanagan.net/users/bingw
> 
> A computer without Micro Soft is like a chocolate cake without mustard

-- 
PIRONET INTRANET AG
Thomas Paul Galley, MA (CCNA) - Internet/Intranet Trainee
Im Mediapark 5 - 50670 Kln
Tel.: +49 (0)221 454 3833 - FAX: +49 (0)221 454 3810
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From: tgalley@pironet.com                               09-Dec-99 12:09:17
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 10:23:11
Subj: Re: Can't get news group headers under OS/2

From: Thomas Galley <tgalley@pironet.com>

Hey!

<FUNMODE>
Oops! Didnt't you know that, Europe being the new OS/2 stronghold,
access to any football related newsgroups is automatically canceled? Try
something like alt.games.soccer instead!
</FUNMODE>

Greetings/2

Thomas

PS: I can think of no good reason for this... Perhaps something with
expire-settings in ProNews?

Ron Gibson wrote:
> 
> I have a strange problem with ProNews and one particular news group.
> 
> For some reason it will not retrieve headers from this NG.  However, if
> I use Gravity while booting W98 it retrieves headers fine.
> 
> BTW, Free Agent will not retrieve headers either for this NG while
> running under WinOS/2.  It is a football NG so there are always plenty
> of posts.
> 
>                       email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

-- 
PIRONET INTRANET AG
Thomas Paul Galley, MA (CCNA) - Internet/Intranet Trainee
Im Mediapark 5 - 50670 Kln
Tel.: +49 (0)221 454 3833 - FAX: +49 (0)221 454 3810
mailto:tgalley@pironet.com - http://www.pironet.com
certified professional Java Programmer (see link below)
http://www.tekmetrics.com/transcript.shtml?pid=57102

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               09-Dec-99 11:24:23
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 10:23:11
Subj: Re: Corel Suite 8 for win 98 in Warp 3 ?

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

You should also consider the 16-bit  Corel Suite 7.  It was available 
for free a while ago ($50 price and a $50 mail in rebate).  It works 
so well under WinOS/2 that except for its inability to support long 
file names, I'd swear it was a native OS/2 app.

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:05:05, Thomas Galley <tgalley@pironet.com> 
wrote:

> Hey!
> 
> I doubt very much that Odin will make anything this large run before a
> rather long time, but why bother with applications written for Windowze
> when there are native solutions at hand? Consider SmartSuite or
> StarOffice. The latter is even for free, even for commercial use!
> 
> Greetings/2
> 
> Thomas
> 
> bingw@okanagan.net wrote:
> > 
> > I would like to know if anyone knows if something like corel suite 8 for
> > windows 95/98 can be run in OS/2 Warp 3 with any kind of win 32 software.
> > I have seen where some of you have said that there is software that will
> > allow some windows 95/98 software to run in Warp.
> >      Any help will be very much appreciated.
> > 
> > Leo (Bing) Whiteway in Kelowna, BC, Canada
> > http://www.okanagan.net/users/bingw
> > 
> > A computer without Micro Soft is like a chocolate cake without mustard
> 
> -- 
> PIRONET INTRANET AG
> Thomas Paul Galley, MA (CCNA) - Internet/Intranet Trainee
> Im Mediapark 5 - 50670 Kln
> Tel.: +49 (0)221 454 3833 - FAX: +49 (0)221 454 3810
> mailto:tgalley@pironet.com - http://www.pironet.com
> certified professional Java Programmer (see link below)
> http://www.tekmetrics.com/transcript.shtml?pid=57102


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From: ivaes@hr.nl                                       09-Dec-99 10:28:21
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 10:23:11
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Illya Vaes <ivaes@hr.nl>

Lars P Ormberg wrote:
>>"Steven C. Britton" wrote:
>>>Monopoly:
>>>1. exclusive control of a commodity or servicce in a particular market,
>>>or a control that mkaes possible the manipulation of prices.
>>Windows is a commodity.
>If you want to define any product as a commodity, then Sunny Boy breakfast
>cereal (lovingly manufactured right here in Camrose, Alberta, available at
>fine grocery stores everywhere) is a commodity, and therefore it's illegal
>for the producers to manipulate (change) the price.

If Sunny Boy breakfast cereal had 95% of the cereal market (PC OSes) and near
90% or so of *all* breakfast stuff (personal computers), then their control of
prices in the breakfast arena (*not* only their own price) certainly makes for
a monopoly in even this (non-legal) definition.
 
>>MS certainly has a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices.
>>If you were interested in facts instead of void definition games, you'd 
>>know that they used exactly that to force OEMs to only install Windows
>Microsoft can ask for any price they want for their property...that's how a
>capitalist system works.  If an OEM doesn't do what MS wants, MS doesn't
>have to sell them Windows at a price desirable to an OEM.  And the OEM
>DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY.

As OEMs have little real choice, because of the mono..."dominant position" of
MS, they certainly cannot do whatever they want. That's the law.
Regardless of whether or not you think they can or should be free the ask any
price they want, their control of the market certainly allows them to
manipulate prices of all related software and their own, which satisfies one
of the (non-legal) definitions for a monopoly of your tag-team partner Steven
C. den B... Britton. Too bad he tried to be smart-ass about what constitues a
monopoly; tell him he approached it the wrong way.
 
>>certainly have seen for yourself -before others pointed it out- that the 
>>price of Windows etc. has stayed the same and even gone *up* while PC 
>>hardware prices have only plummeted.
>Big deal.  If they had dropped, you'd use that as evidence of a monopoly.

Yeah right. A monopoly that lowers prices... What planet are you from?
The only times MS ever lowered their prices are to "steal" market share from
then-competition. Nobody went from WP to Word by themselves, so we sell it for
NLG 99 together with WfW 3.11 (that's near $50). Nobody wanted to leave dBASE
and FoxPro by themselves, so we price that at $99 too (and by FoxPro)...
until, that is, people have switched, and then you have to pay mucho dinero to
get it.

>If they hadn't moved, you'd use THAT as evidence of a monopoly.

Staying the same while everything else lowers is certainly suspect.

>Charging ANY PRICE WHATSOEVER is legal "evidence" of a monopoly.

You're foaming at the mouth.
And learn netiquette; you signature is much too long.

-- 
Illya Vaes   (ivaes@hr.nl)        "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385           Not speaking for anyone but myself

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From: prather@infi.net                                  09-Dec-99 13:07:04
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 10:23:11
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

In message <82mc4f$lpn$3@burn.ab.videon.ca> - larso@commodore.
(Lars P Ormberg) writes:
:>:>If a small injustice is allowed to pass, it allows for a greater one.  And 
a
:>greater one.  And one greater still.

Oooh, Lars, now that's an interesting concept.  Well, how about
the injustice of M$ not refunding the price of WinXX licenses in
accordance with _their_ license?  Hmm, now they're not only
illegal in the view of the U.S. Government, but unjust as well!

Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net

"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
					- Me (circa 1998)

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From: nospam@nospam.com                                 09-Dec-99 09:24:20
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 15:31:04
Subj: Re: Corel Suite 8 for win 98 in Warp 3 ?

From: John Mandeville <nospam@nospam.com>

Is there a service pack or whatever that will allow it to read MSWord 97
files?

John Mandeville
jemandy at earthlink dot net

Mark Klebanoff wrote:
> 
> You should also consider the 16-bit  Corel Suite 7.  It was available
> for free a while ago ($50 price and a $50 mail in rebate).  It works
> so well under WinOS/2 that except for its inability to support long
> file names, I'd swear it was a native OS/2 app.
> 
> On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:05:05, Thomas Galley <tgalley@pironet.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hey!
> >
> > I doubt very much that Odin will make anything this large run before a
> > rather long time, but why bother with applications written for Windowze
> > when there are native solutions at hand? Consider SmartSuite or
> > StarOffice. The latter is even for free, even for commercial use!
> >
> > Greetings/2
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > bingw@okanagan.net wrote:
> > >
> > > I would like to know if anyone knows if something like corel suite 8 for
> > > windows 95/98 can be run in OS/2 Warp 3 with any kind of win 32
software.
> > > I have seen where some of you have said that there is software that will
> > > allow some windows 95/98 software to run in Warp.
> > >      Any help will be very much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Leo (Bing) Whiteway in Kelowna, BC, Canada
> > > http://www.okanagan.net/users/bingw
> > >
> > > A computer without Micro Soft is like a chocolate cake without mustard
> >
> > --
> > PIRONET INTRANET AG
> > Thomas Paul Galley, MA (CCNA) - Internet/Intranet Trainee
> > Im Mediapark 5 - 50670 Kln
> > Tel.: +49 (0)221 454 3833 - FAX: +49 (0)221 454 3810
> > mailto:tgalley@pironet.com - http://www.pironet.com
> > certified professional Java Programmer (see link below)
> > http://www.tekmetrics.com/transcript.shtml?pid=57102

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From: larso@commodore.                                  09-Dec-99 19:06:24
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 15:31:04
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Jerry Prather write:
> In message <82mc4f$lpn$3@burn.ab.videon.ca> - larso@commodore.
> (Lars P Ormberg) writes:
> :>:>If a small injustice is allowed to pass, it allows for a greater one. 
And a
> :>greater one.  And one greater still.
> 
> Oooh, Lars, now that's an interesting concept.  Well, how about
> the injustice of M$ not refunding the price of WinXX licenses in
> accordance with _their_ license?  Hmm, now they're not only
> illegal in the view of the U.S. Government, but unjust as well!

Than why haven't they been taken to court for THAT?  Why the big
anti-monopoly farce?

If this was such a quick and clear cut case as you imply, surely it would
have been handled, instead of wasting millions trying Microsoft for doing a
moral business action.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: sctvguy@yahoo.com                                 09-Dec-99 10:29:04
  To: aljohnson@centuryinter.net                        09-Dec-99 15:31:04
Subj: Re: How much memory to run various flavors of OS/2??

To: aljohnson@centuryinter.net
From: Bob Grimes <sctvguy@yahoo.com>


aljohnson@centuryinter.net wrote:
> 
> What is the minimal and optimal amounts of memory required to run the
various
> flavors of OS/2 from 2.11, 3, 4 and beyond.  Please email me and let me
know.
> Hoping that I might be able to run on a machine I have.
> 
> Allen
I run Warp 3 Red on a PS/2, 386 with 4megs.  On a PS/ValuePoint, I run
OS/2 Blue with 40megs.  On an AMD K6-2/400, I run Warp Connect Blue,
Warp 4 with 96megs.  The sweet spot would probably be 16 or 32 megs.

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From: skrise@attglobal.net                              09-Dec-99 12:19:17
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 15:31:04
Subj: SIQ Lockup problem...

From: skrise@attglobal.net

Just a query out of the blue.

While reading "OS/2 Programming for Dummies" (I guess you
know what that says about me), the author mentioned that
in the next release of Warp (which would have been Warp
4 at that time) that the Single Input Queue problem (where
an application locks up the entire UI due to some arcana
that I am unfamiliar with) would be fixed.

I know it wasn't (for Warp 4, at least).  Is this something
that IBM is still promising to address?

Thanks,
Steven
-- 
Abstainer: a weak person who yields
           to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.
           ... Ambrose Bierce

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          09-Dec-99 17:33:21
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 15:31:04
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 06:24:44, domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard) 
wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:55:27, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> 
> > Try the copy recently released to IBM's Testcase.
> > From all reports it is exactly the same.
> 
> Either it's no longer there 
> (ftp://testcase.software.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/os2/ ), or you have to 
> know pretty well your way through the testcase maze.

I believe it was:

	ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/os2/Cg7x4na.exe 
(Length: 156,240,816)

though it disappeared from there fairly soon. 

If you have the disk capacity, and maybe the bandwidth, it's fairly 
handy to run a little WGET mirror off testcase, per the 6 lines of 
batch code at the bottom. Allow room, because large files, mostly 
debug dumps, can make the directory size go well beyond 100MB.

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com

--------------TESTCASE.CMD (It's gonna wrap, so look at the line 
numbers.)
000:e:
001:cd\
002:cd download
003:e:\web\wget\os2\wget -a e:\logs\testcase.log -m 
ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/os2/*
004:e:\web\wget\os2\wget -a e:\logs\testcase.log -m 
ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/tcpip/*
005:e:\web\wget\os2\wget -a e:\logs\testcase.log -m 
ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/lan/*
006:e:\web\wget\os2\wget -a e:\logs\testcase.log -m 
ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/antivirus/*
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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             09-Dec-99 17:37:28
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 15:31:04
Subj: Re: Can't get news group headers under OS/2

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:09:35, Thomas Galley <tgalley@pironet.com> wrote:

> > I have a strange problem with ProNews and one particular news group.
> > 
> > For some reason it will not retrieve headers from this NG.  However, if
> > I use Gravity while booting W98 it retrieves headers fine.
> > 
> > BTW, Free Agent will not retrieve headers either for this NG while
> > running under WinOS/2.  It is a football NG so there are always plenty
> > of posts.

> PS: I can think of no good reason for this... Perhaps something with
> expire-settings in ProNews?
 
Well I think now I may have framed this question wrong.  It appears to
be related to the connection itself if Free Agent also can't get headers
for the NG. Like I said, in dreaded windoze no problem????

My copy of PN has been timed out for quite a while, yet it allows other
NG's to function properly.  It's only this one that I've run across that
chokes.  But it also chokes under Free Agent in a WinOS/2 session.

BTW, Warp 3, FP40.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: larso@commodore.                                  09-Dec-99 19:04:14
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:10
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Csaba Raduly write:
> larso@ualberta.ca (Lars P Ormberg) wrote in

> >> The problem with M$ is that they are not living by those laws. 
> >> M$ _is_ forcing me to "eat at their restaurant". 
> >
> >How?  Does MS send people to your home, tie up your family, hold a match
> >over a gas canister, and force you to sign on the dotted line for
> >Windows 2000?
> 
> No, but they say to the PC vendors: preload WinWhatever on EVERY machine 
> you sell, OR ELSE we won't give you WinWhatever OEM licenses

Windows licences are possessed by Microsoft.  They are something that they
have every rational right to use as they see fit (providing they aren't
using them to actually use force which they aren't because it can't happen
unless maybe they give free licences to Rocco and Vinnie), and the notion of
taking it away from them is evil incarnate.

>                                                              and you'll be 
> out of business in no time.

Even if Microsoft, upset about a company not supporting them, says this does
not make it something which is true.

> If that isn't An Offer They Can't Refuse in the Don Vito Corleone style, 
> then I don't know what is.

Then you don't know what is.

Corleone A: "Cut us a third of your profits, and we won't rough you up and
burn your place down."

Corleone B: "Cut us a third of your profits, or we won't sell you bulk napkins
at a quarter the regular rate."

Sorry, Corleone B (Microsoft) doesn't just have the same viciousness in his
threats.

> And of course PC bendors preload WinWhatever on every PC they sell

That's what their agreement says.  If they do otherwise, they should be
hauled in court on contract violation.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Dec-99 20:14:10
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: BootOS2 "disk full" problem

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 03:00:06, Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net> 
wrote:

> Well, thank you. Why wasn't I smart enough to think of that?
> 
> The files all fit on the disks now, BUT when I try to boot from them it
> bombs out on the second disk with a message about not being able to find
> a message file for error 0004 -- BSH.MSG, I think.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> David Kunz wrote:
> > 
> > Some of the files have grown in size.  Get and use the lzlite option
> > to compress the dll and exe files.

Funny how people seem to think about reading the docs, AFTER they ask 
questions here. Oh well, on to your next question:

On my set of disks (which are obviuosly a little different than yours,
since I can still squeeze a system onto two disks without LxLite -> 
1024 bytes left <g>), the only MSG file on disk 1 is OS2LDR.MSG. On 
disk 2, the only MSG file is \OS2\OSO001.MSG. It is a little difficult
to tell, for sure, if one of those is really what you are having 
trouble with, but if you do "HELP 0004", from a normal command line, 
it will tell you that you cannot find a file. If you look at the 4th 
message in each of the above files, it tells you that you cannot find 
a file. SO, I would assume that BootOS2 has missed some file, that 
your system is looking for.

As I see it, at this point, you can determine which file (either the 
MSG file, or the missing file, which may be the same) which it is 
looking for, and copy it to the diskette from your main system. Once 
you figure out what is missing, look up Ken Khan's internet address 
(it's in the docs), and send him a note, explaining what went wrong. I
am sure that he will try to fix the problem. You should give him as 
much information about the problem as you can (command line used, file
that was missing, what that file is for, etc.).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: jthorpe@island.net                                09-Dec-99 09:44:02
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: UPS's

From: "Jim Thorpe" <jthorpe@island.net>

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 05:28:23, "Jack Gillis" <jgil@widomaker.com> wrote:
>
>> I have finally reached the point where I want/need to get a UPS.  (At least 
I
>> think that is what they are called.)  
>> 
>> Can I really expect the thing to switch fast enough during disk I/O or
>> downloads for no data to be lost?
>> 
>> Thanks for any experiences any one might have.
>> 
>
>UPS = Uninterruptable Power Supply
>
This is like the millenium argument.
What is now generally called a UPS is actually an SPS, i.e. a switching power 
supply.
A UPS is an uninteruptable power supply using a battery and a converter to 
generate the necessary voltages to run the computer.  It uses a trickle
charger to 
keep the battery up to snuff while the computer is running.
When to power goes off the only thing that happens is that the charger quits.  

There is no interruption until the battery dies.
The SPS depends upon the capacitance built into the power supply to produce 
the momentary power needed to keep the computer running while the 
switching takes place.

Jim T.


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From: JSeder-nospam@syntel.com                          09-Dec-99 11:15:07
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Token-Ring and Ethernet (OS2) HELP- HELP

From: Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com>

> JCBLS wrote:
> I have a Token-Ring Network and Novell Server, I am connecting from
> OS/2 Warp 4 Client fine.
> But I want to connect the OS/2 client to another Server that is NT,
> which have one NIC card Olicom Token-Ring for the Novel Network and
> Another NIC that is 3COM Ethernet PCI for the Ethernet OS/2 clients.

Your message is a little confusing.  But I think this is what you want:  
	Your Warp client has a Token Ring connection.
	An NT Server has Token Ring and Ethernet.
	You want to make a NetBIOS/NetBEUI connection between the Warp client
and the NT Server.
	You don't want to add an Ethernet card to the Warp client.

1. On the NT Server, ensure that the NetBEUI protocol is bound to the
Token Ring adapter.
2. Create a local user id and password on your Warp machine that matches
your NT domain user id and password.
3. Use MPTS to add the "IBM OS/2 NETBIOS" protocol to the Token Ring
adapter.
-- At this point you should reboot the Warp machine.

This should do it.

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             09-Dec-99 11:19:26
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: SIQ Lockup problem...

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


skrise@attglobal.net wrote:
> 
> Just a query out of the blue.
> 
> While reading "OS/2 Programming for Dummies" (I guess you
> know what that says about me), the author mentioned that
> in the next release of Warp (which would have been Warp
> 4 at that time) that the Single Input Queue problem (where
> an application locks up the entire UI due to some arcana
> that I am unfamiliar with) would be fixed.
> 
> I know it wasn't (for Warp 4, at least).  Is this something
> that IBM is still promising to address?

This was an issue with Warp 3 which used to lockup due to this. In OS/2
v4, IBM made other changes that made it a non-issue.  The SIQ is still
there but rarely causes problems anymore on my system.  I cannot even
remember when I last saw a lockup due to this--maybe 2 years?  I think
that IBM was/is trying to maintain compatibility with OS/2
applications.  I'm not sure but I think that WSEB is similar to OS/2 v4
in this way.
> 
> Thanks,
> Steven
> --
> Abstainer: a weak person who yields
>            to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.
>            ... Ambrose Bierce

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From: JSeder-nospam@syntel.com                          09-Dec-99 11:20:15
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com>

Although http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/smartsuiteos2 says
"SmartSuite for OS/2 Warp 4 Release 1.5 Now Available (12/7/99)", when I
called 1-800-343-5414 to order it, I was told it's not "in their system"
and I should try again later.

-- JDS

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Dec-99 20:14:19
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: How can I tell what fix level I have?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:31:52, nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com wrote:

> I purchased OS2 V4 about 2 years ago and have never have applied a
> "fix" so the syslevel.fpk does not appear in the list.
>  
> Does that make me level 0?
>  
> George
>  

Yes (I think the new syslevel thing showed up with the fix tool 
version 1.39), but it is easier the go to an OS/2 command line, and 
type "VER /R" (no quotes, and all on one line, if it wraps). I think 
the base (no fix packs) warp4 will tell you:
=======================================
The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00
Revision 9.023
=======================================
(I am not 100% sure that 9.023 is the original number, but it will be 
close to that).

With FP12, it tells me:
=======================================
The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00
Revision 9.036
=======================================

If you go to:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/
(back up a couple of directories for warp3, and/or different 
languages) and select the latest fix pack, then download, and read the
README2 file, it will tell you all (well, MOST uh SOME??) of the 
things that get fixed by each fix pack (if you can figure out what 
they are talking about). The fix pack headers (in the list) tell you 
what the build level is for each of the fix packs (the 9.036 thing).

I would, strongly, suggest that you get, and install, the latest fix 
pack (12), before the end of the year. If you need help about how to 
go about doing this, go to the New User area at the OS/2 Supersite:
http://www.os2ss.com/
and look up the Fix Pack help (there are a LOT of other good things 
there, as well). You could, optionally, order their update CD (I don't
recommend this, but it is a good option for some people).

Now, FP12 has a problem with the PMMERGE.DLL, which is fixed by a 
later version (lifted from an emergency fix site), that you should be 
able to find at HOBBES:
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/
Look for something like PMR00052.ZIP, and replace the PMMERGE.DLL 
file, supplied with FP12, with the new one. This made FP12 very 
stable, for me.

As usual, some people find that various fix packs work, or don't work,
for them, and FP12 may not work for you. If it won't work properly (be
sure that you READ the README files, before you try to install the fix
pack), you may need to back out, and try a different fix pack (I would
suggest FP9, if FP12 doesn't work). To find older fix packs, look on 
HOBBES. I think they have been uploaded to that site.

The other thing you may need, is the Device Driver fix pack (most of 
the fix pack supported device drivers were split out into their own 
fix pack after FP10, and won't be updated if you don't install the DD 
FP01). You can find that at:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/

THEN, since the Device Driver fix pack only has the most common 
drivers, you should check at the Device driver web site, for the 
latest drivers for your individual system. Check out:
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm

Then, you need to follow the golden rule of "fixing" things:
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX PACK IT!

Unfortunately, your base warp4 system will be broken after the turn of
the century (actually, it may still work for whatever you do with it, 
but if you DO have a problem, it would be nice to know that the 
operating system has had all of the known problems  "fixed", and that 
you should look elsewhere for another fix).

One other GREAT reference for fixes is:
http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
which also references other things (TCPIP, MPTS, etc.) that should be 
updated, if you use them.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: cdelanoy@ualberta.ca                              09-Dec-99 22:00:10
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Chris J Delanoy <cdelanoy@ualberta.ca>

 "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> wrote:

> Now that little story means that someone or other was limiting
> my choices.

Yes: yourself.

> If that someone or other is a human being (or an organisation of
> human beings), then that someone oir something made a decision or
> choice which resulted in harm to me -- the harm of limiting my
> options. That's wrong, even by, no >>espcially by<< Ayn Rand's
> standards. And therefore I have a right to try to make them pay.

> Lars, if you are a follower of Ayn Rand (as your rhetoric
> suggests,) then you had better figure out all the implications
> of her philosophy.

Lars is not an objectivist and has never read a word of Rand,
so I'll have to be the one to tell you quite plainly that you
don't have a fucking clue about Ayn Rand's philosophy if you
think it includes some sort of "right not to have my choices
limited".  Such a non-existent "right" runs completely contrary
to her philosophy, and in fact would be an outright contradiction
of the objectivist epistemology in that it completely disregards
the role of the individual, rational mind in CREATING such choices
in the first place.

The website http://www.moraldefense.com , which is a subset of the
Ayn Rand Institute, states the implications of objectivism with
respect to Microsoft's so-called "monopoly" crystal clear - and
rejects your woeful tale of imaginary "force" by Microsoft.

Chris J Delanoy


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            09-Dec-99 22:57:04
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:00:20, Chris J Delanoy <cdelanoy@ualberta.ca> 
wrote:

>  "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > Now that little story means that someone or other was limiting
> > my choices.
> 
> Yes: yourself.
> 
> > If that someone or other is a human being (or an organisation of
> > human beings), then that someone oir something made a decision or
> > choice which resulted in harm to me -- the harm of limiting my
> > options. That's wrong, even by, no >>espcially by<< Ayn Rand's
> > standards. And therefore I have a right to try to make them pay.
> 
> > Lars, if you are a follower of Ayn Rand (as your rhetoric
> > suggests,) then you had better figure out all the implications
> > of her philosophy.
> 
> Lars is not an objectivist and has never read a word of Rand,
> so I'll have to be the one to tell you quite plainly that you
> don't have a fucking clue about Ayn Rand's philosophy if you
> think it includes some sort of "right not to have my choices
> limited".  Such a non-existent "right" runs completely contrary
> to her philosophy, and in fact would be an outright contradiction
> of the objectivist epistemology in that it completely disregards
> the role of the individual, rational mind in CREATING such choices
> in the first place.
> 
> The website http://www.moraldefense.com , which is a subset of the
> Ayn Rand Institute, states the implications of objectivism with
> respect to Microsoft's so-called "monopoly" crystal clear - and
> rejects your woeful tale of imaginary "force" by Microsoft.
> 
> Chris J Delanoy

A possible Giwer-sighting?
I should report this to s.h.w-i. Ther might be points in it.

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
=======================================================
"The method employed I would gladly explain,
While I have it so clear in my head,
If I had but the time and you had but the brain -
But much yet remains to be said."

the Hunting of the Snark (Lewis Carroll)
=======================================================

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            09-Dec-99 22:20:04
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: BootOS2 "disk full" problem

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

I had reaed the docs., but it hadn't ocurred to me that I might need
LXlite even to create a 2-disk floppy set. I assumed it would be needed
only if one were trying to cram everything onto one disk.

You will note that Ken Kahn himself has responded with info about the
missing .MSG file.

Alan


Doug Bissett wrote:
 <snip>

> Funny how people seem to think about reading the docs, AFTER they ask
> questions here. Oh well, on to your next question:
> 
> On my set of disks (which are obviuosly a little different than yours,
> since I can still squeeze a system onto two disks without LxLite ->
> 1024 bytes left <g>), the only MSG file on disk 1 is OS2LDR.MSG. On
> disk 2, the only MSG file is \OS2\OSO001.MSG. It is a little difficult
> to tell, for sure, if one of those is really what you are having
> trouble with, but if you do "HELP 0004", from a normal command line,
> it will tell you that you cannot find a file. If you look at the 4th
> message in each of the above files, it tells you that you cannot find
> a file. SO, I would assume that BootOS2 has missed some file, that
> your system is looking for.
> 
> As I see it, at this point, you can determine which file (either the
> MSG file, or the missing file, which may be the same) which it is
> looking for, and copy it to the diskette from your main system. Once
> you figure out what is missing, look up Ken Khan's internet address
> (it's in the docs), and send him a note, explaining what went wrong. I
> am sure that he will try to fix the problem. You should give him as
> much information about the problem as you can (command line used, file
> that was missing, what that file is for, etc.).
>

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        09-Dec-99 21:28:07
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:07:00 -0500, lifedata@xxvol.com <lifedata@xxvol.com>
wrote:
> >> I'm curious how big it is.
> 
> >Well, put it this way.  The program download (archive+installer) fits on a
> >floppy disk.
> 
> I am concentrating all my cognitive powers in an attempt to imagine
> Netscape fitting on a floppy.  UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNHHHHHHH. 
> Concentrate!  CONCENTRATE!!!!!!!

Well, version 1.0 did.  I used to have it on disk.  (I wonder if I
still do...?)

Possibly even v1.1.  I had to start splitting later versions, though.
I think I gave up trying after about 4.01.  (All Win16 versions.)

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          09-Dec-99 21:59:05
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:07:00, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) said:
> >> I'm curious how big it is.
> 
> >Well, put it this way.  The program download (archive+installer) fits on a
> >floppy disk.
> 
> I am concentrating all my cognitive powers in an attempt to imagine
> Netscape fitting on a floppy.  UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNHHHHHHH. 
> Concentrate!  CONCENTRATE!!!!!!!

Anybody still have a copy of that QNX (wasn't it?) demo browser from 
2-3 years ago that could actually run from a booted floppy? The 
browser and the OS both fit on the floppy?


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               09-Dec-99 19:34:17
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On 10 Dec 1999 00:10:14 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

=>They did no such thing.  You are not harmed by being offered products you do
=>not want.

Sure I am. If the only way to get X is to take Y as well, then either I do
without X, or I pay for Y, too. In the first instance, I cannot get what I
want -- that is the harm of deprivation. In the second, I have to pay more
than X is worth because Y is part of the package -- that is the harm of
wasted money, which I'd rather spend on something else.

If you think that does you no harm, I'd love to do business with you!




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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               09-Dec-99 19:38:20
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 22:00:20 GMT, Chris J Delanoy wrote:

=>Such a non-existent "right" runs completely contrary
=>to her philosophy, and in fact would be an outright contradiction
=>of the objectivist epistemology in that it completely disregards
=>the role of the individual, rational mind in CREATING such choices
=>in the first place.

Hah, gotcha!

I wondered if anyone would provide a demonstration of the asininity of Rand's
philosphy. The notion of the rational mind creating choices has to be one of
the funniest ideas ever invented.






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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               09-Dec-99 23:08:01
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Corel Suite 8 for win 98 in Warp 3 ?

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

Unfortunately, I don't think so.  StarOffice will, however
On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:24:40, John Mandeville <nospam@nospam.com> 
wrote:

> Is there a service pack or whatever that will allow it to read MSWord 97
> files?
> 
> John Mandeville
> jemandy at earthlink dot net
> 
> Mark Klebanoff wrote:
> > 
> > You should also consider the 16-bit  Corel Suite 7.  It was available
> > for free a while ago ($50 price and a $50 mail in rebate).  It works
> > so well under WinOS/2 that except for its inability to support long
> > file names, I'd swear it was a native OS/2 app.
> > 
> > On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:05:05, Thomas Galley <tgalley@pironet.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey!
> > >
> > > I doubt very much that Odin will make anything this large run before a
> > > rather long time, but why bother with applications written for Windowze
> > > when there are native solutions at hand? Consider SmartSuite or
> > > StarOffice. The latter is even for free, even for commercial use!
> > >
> > > Greetings/2
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > > bingw@okanagan.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would like to know if anyone knows if something like corel suite 8
for
> > > > windows 95/98 can be run in OS/2 Warp 3 with any kind of win 32
software.
> > > > I have seen where some of you have said that there is software that
will
> > > > allow some windows 95/98 software to run in Warp.
> > > >      Any help will be very much appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Leo (Bing) Whiteway in Kelowna, BC, Canada
> > > > http://www.okanagan.net/users/bingw
> > > >
> > > > A computer without Micro Soft is like a chocolate cake without mustard
> > >
> > > --
> > > PIRONET INTRANET AG
> > > Thomas Paul Galley, MA (CCNA) - Internet/Intranet Trainee
> > > Im Mediapark 5 - 50670 Kln
> > > Tel.: +49 (0)221 454 3833 - FAX: +49 (0)221 454 3810
> > > mailto:tgalley@pironet.com - http://www.pironet.com
> > > certified professional Java Programmer (see link below)
> > > http://www.tekmetrics.com/transcript.shtml?pid=57102
> 


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From: ozag@isnm.ten                                     09-Dec-99 17:54:20
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: WSEB (Warp 4.5) memory allocation problem.

From: "ozaG .S luaP" <ozag@isnm.ten>

On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:36:21 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:11:46, "ozaG .S luaP" <ozag@isnm.ten> wrote:
>
>> 	I've been administering various machines running every version of
>> OS/2 since and including 2.0  It usually runs so well that I admit my
>> nitty-gritty knowledge is starting to fade.  I have one WSEB machine, which
>> allocates more and more memory every time I open any program, and never
seems
>> to de-allocate all of it.  Can you say memory leak?  I have all the
standard
>> enhancements on this PC; Object Desktop, PC/2, NPSWPS, and X-It.  I've even
>> cut out the networking modules in an attempt to help.  Any suggestions? 
I've
>> parsed my old config.sys's from all other machine levels looking for MEMMAN
>> mistakes or anything, to no avail.
>
>Test switching to the 4OS2 command processor, maybe. I've encountered 
>serious problems with WSeB's CMD.EXE encountering large numbers of 
>files, which doesn't trouble 4OS2, and what you've said might jibe 
>with the idea of some kind of memory problem in it. I haven't seen the
>problem you mention, and I quit using CMD.EXE long ago.

	Thanks for the prompt input, Buddy, but alas, by "all the standard
enhancements", I would have to include 4OS/2.  And this problem mainly
happens with PM programs, but does happen when I open CLI sessions as well.



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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          10-Dec-99 09:29:07
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Strange files

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

Hi,

I was just looking in my MMOS2 directory to sort out another problem
when I came across a couple of strange looking files. 00000000.001
at 17529Kb and 00000000.002, 00000000.003 and 00000000.004 all at 
0Kb. I wonder what they are and can I safely delete them.

Cheers

Wayne


******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              10-Dec-99 01:09:04
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


"Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" wrote:
> 
> 
> As an aside, did anyone notice that HP have discontinued decent
> JetAdmin support for OS/2 - you have to have an NT server on your
> system to run the newer OS/2 JetAdmin. I couldn't find a suitable HP
> contact to complain to in the notifying email :-( Not that I use it
> anyway...
> 
  As I recall, HP is discontinuing ALL versions of JetAdmin, not just
os/2. The replacement is WebJetAdmin.

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        09-Dec-99 14:10:05
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Xcopy with re-start options

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

Has anyone ever come across a utility which is equivalent to XCOPY but
with option to do a re-start from a point of failure?

ie something akin to wget -c -r for ftping.

--
John


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          09-Dec-99 14:42:02
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Xcopy with re-start options

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:10:10, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John 
Poltorak) wrote:

> Has anyone ever come across a utility which is equivalent to XCOPY but
> with option to do a re-start from a point of failure?
> 
> ie something akin to wget -c -r for ftping.

The only place I've seen this function is in 4OS2.

Probably COPY/U is what you want.

-----------(under 4OS2.EXE v.2.52a)
COPY /?
Usage:  COPY [d:][path]source[+]...[/A /B] [[d:][path]target]
             [/A:[[-]rhsda] /A /B /C /F /M /N /P /Q /R /S /T /U /V]

    /A  Copy in ASCII mode
    /A: Select files by attributes
    /B  Copy in binary mode
    /C  Copy only those files where the target is older than the 
source
    /F  Fail if the source file has extended attributes and the target
file
          system doesn't support extended attributes.
    /H  Copy hidden and system files too
    /M  Copy only those files with the archive bit set
    /N  Don't actually perform the copy
    /P  Confirm each file copy (Y or N)
    /Q  Don't display filenames or totals
    /R  Prompt before overwriting an existing file
    /S  Copy subdirectories
    /T  Only display totals (no filenames)
    /U  Copy only those source files that are newer than a matching 
target
          file, or where a matching target file doesn't exist
    /V  Verify disk writes
-----------
-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               09-Dec-99 14:13:23
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> I tried this one and all it seemed to do is to install freecell.  I
> think that
> the installation routine detected newer files and skipped them.  Do
> you know a
> workaround?

Hm, try to delete or rename WIN32S.INI.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               09-Dec-99 14:19:25
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: CD-ROM

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Wayne Bickell schrieb:
> Until recently I had two ATAPI CD-ROMs in my machine
> but took one out to make space for another hard disk.
> Now I can't get rid of the Compact Disk 2 icon or in the
> Multimedia Folder and in the Multimedia Setup. I've tried
> deleting it and running Checkini but it comes back after a
> reboot.
> 
> Can someone please tell me how to rid myself of this?

Let the Black Hole suck it into the void.
(ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/os2/leo/wpstools/blckh3.zip)
If that doesn't work delete every reference to it from the MMOS2
INI-files.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: ozag@isnm.ten                                     09-Dec-99 08:11:23
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: WSEB (Warp 4.5) memory allocation problem.

From: "ozaG .S luaP" <ozag@isnm.ten>

	I've been administering various machines running every version of
OS/2 since and including 2.0  It usually runs so well that I admit my
nitty-gritty knowledge is starting to fade.  I have one WSEB machine, which
allocates more and more memory every time I open any program, and never seems
to de-allocate all of it.  Can you say memory leak?  I have all the standard
enhancements on this PC; Object Desktop, PC/2, NPSWPS, and X-It.  I've even
cut out the networking modules in an attempt to help.  Any suggestions?  I've
parsed my old config.sys's from all other machine levels looking for MEMMAN
mistakes or anything, to no avail.



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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          09-Dec-99 22:36:06
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: CD-ROM

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:19:51 +0100, Christian Hennecke wrote:

:>Let the Black Hole suck it into the void.
:>(ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/os2/leo/wpstools/blckh3.zip)
:>If that doesn't work delete every reference to it from the MMOS2
:>INI-files.

I can delete it no problem but it comes back after a reboot.
I'll take a look in the .ini files.

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          09-Dec-99 14:33:05
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:13:47, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

> Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> > I tried this one and all it seemed to do is to install freecell.  I
> > think that
> > the installation routine detected newer files and skipped them.  Do
> > you know a
> > workaround?
> 
> Hm, try to delete or rename WIN32S.INI.

I agree, that should get any version to install completely.

There's a bit of info on basic Windows use of WIN32S at Micro$oft:

	http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q120/4/86.ASP
is titled HOWTO: Remove Win32s

And 
	http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q106/7/15.ASP
is titled HOWTO: Troubleshoot Win32s Installation problems.

(Coming as they do from M$, realize that these are not rules for using
it under OS/2, just some more details I've come across to help people 
dope out how to overcome these problems here. In my opinion, many if 
not most of the "improvements" in Win32s code by M$ have had the 
single purpose of making it unrunnable under OS/2.)

-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          09-Dec-99 14:36:10
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: WSEB (Warp 4.5) memory allocation problem.

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:11:46, "ozaG .S luaP" <ozag@isnm.ten> wrote:

> 	I've been administering various machines running every version of
> OS/2 since and including 2.0  It usually runs so well that I admit my
> nitty-gritty knowledge is starting to fade.  I have one WSEB machine, which
> allocates more and more memory every time I open any program, and never
seems
> to de-allocate all of it.  Can you say memory leak?  I have all the standard
> enhancements on this PC; Object Desktop, PC/2, NPSWPS, and X-It.  I've even
> cut out the networking modules in an attempt to help.  Any suggestions? 
I've
> parsed my old config.sys's from all other machine levels looking for MEMMAN
> mistakes or anything, to no avail.

Test switching to the 4OS2 command processor, maybe. I've encountered 
serious problems with WSeB's CMD.EXE encountering large numbers of 
files, which doesn't trouble 4OS2, and what you've said might jibe 
with the idea of some kind of memory problem in it. I haven't seen the
problem you mention, and I quit using CMD.EXE long ago.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             09-Dec-99 07:12:18
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Xcopy with re-start options

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <384fb842.0@katana.legend.co.uk>, on 12/09/99 
   at 02:10 PM, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)
said:

>Has anyone ever come across a utility which is equivalent
>to XCOPY but with option to do a re-start from a point of
>failure?

You can make XCOPY do that by judicious use of the /M
switch. First make sure the Archive bit is turned on for all
files that you want to copy.  The /M switch will only copy
files with the archive bit turned on and it turns off the
archive bit for each file copied. For example, if you are
copying to floppies, it will fail when the disk gets full.
Then you can put in a new disk and and reissue the same
command and it will continue with the last file that failed.

You might also check the REPLACE command to see if it will
do whatever you want. REPLACE with the /A switch might do
what you want but it is not clear to me exactly what you are
trying to do.


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               09-Dec-99 08:01:10
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Where is latest OS/2 fixpack?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Mr. Ho Ke, suggest you use
http://ps.boulder.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/softupd.html,
as it shows what is available and can automate the install if you use
RSU (Remote S/W Update). At worst, you'd need to set up RSU (small
install), and then get the FP you want, lastest Warp 4, and the latest
Device Driver. I don't understand what is complicated about this? RSU
will handle the FixTool for you.

Irv Spalten

"Mr. Ho Ke Dokie" wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your help.  I'll need them when I get up to speed.
> 
> You must be kidding though.  Man, could this be more complicated.  No wonder
> IBM couldn't market or support their products out of a paper bag.
> 
> -Fixtool 1.41 is required to install the latest fixpack
> -
> -ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixtool/english-us/cs_141.e
> -xe
> -
> -Fixpack 12 for the OS
> -
> -ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/xr_
> -m012/
> -
> -Fixpack 1 for the Device Drivers
> -
> -ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/xr_d001/
> -
> -The device drivers and OS were split up after FP 10 (or 9 )
> -
> -The file to update the boot diskettes
> -
> -ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/os2ddpak/idedasd.exe
> -
> ---
> -
> -Lorne Sunley
> -

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        09-Dec-99 15:49:24
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:09:39 -0500, lifedata@xxvol.com <lifedata@xxvol.com>
wrote:
> >I do look forward to a native version.  I've been trying it out on my NT
> >system at work, and it kicks.  :)
> 
> I'm curious how big it is.  I don't use Netscape as my email program, no do
> I use the brain impaired page composer.  So if Opera is a lot smaller I
> would want to look at it.

Well, put it this way.  The program download (archive+installer) fits
on a floppy disk.

Not counting disk cache, the full application seems to take up about 3Mb
total on my work machine...

And just about the only significant thing it doesn't support is Java
(which it will soon, via the native JDK, I think).

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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: mwalsh1@elp.rr.com                                09-Dec-99 09:50:17
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Fixpak 40 Broke ess1868 sound

From: "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com>

Same thing with fixpak 9 for warp 4.  There is a partial fix with a driver at
http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/anonymous/essdrvs/
Hope this helps, but I can't get it all to work.  My internet downloads play,
but my desktop sounds are broken.

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:48:46 -0800, Pat Pridgen wrote:

>
>
>I'm not quite sure where I am with this. I installed the Fixpak 40 from
>the WarpUp CD, and now I'm getting errors when the device driver for my
>soundcard tries to load. I've remmed it out of Config.sys so that I can
>use my system, but it would be nice if someone could point me in the right
>direction on how to fix this. I'm not sure if this is related to the
>Fixpak, or to the updated ESS drivers that are on the CD. But..when it
>appeared that ESS was broken, I tried installing the older (?) driver that
>I had been using, and it still appears broken.
>
>Any ideas on what to do next would be appreciated. I'm not sure how I got
>this to work on other time.
>
>
>--
>Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
>LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
>Linux - OS/2 dual boot. Win what?
>


Matt Walsh  	OS/2 Outpost
El Paso, TX	Computin' & Shootin' in the dust.


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From: nospam@nospam.org                                 09-Dec-99 16:56:02
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Fixpak 40 Broke ess1868 sound

From: nospam@nospam.org (andrew g)

Go to the Device Driver Pak online, and get the latest ESS driver. 
Everybody's having this problem, whether Warp 3 or 4, with the newest 
fixpaks.

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 05:48:46, Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net> 
wrote:

> I'm not quite sure where I am with this. I installed the Fixpak 40 from
> the WarpUp CD, and now I'm getting errors when the device driver for my
> soundcard tries to load. I've remmed it out of Config.sys so that I can
> use my system, but it would be nice if someone could point me in the right
> direction on how to fix this.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                09-Dec-99 12:07:00
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) said:
>> I'm curious how big it is.

>Well, put it this way.  The program download (archive+installer) fits on a
>floppy disk.

I am concentrating all my cognitive powers in an attempt to imagine
Netscape fitting on a floppy.  UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNHHHHHHH. 
Concentrate!  CONCENTRATE!!!!!!!

Nothing.


Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: larso@commodore.                                  10-Dec-99 07:38:09
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:20
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Joseph write:
> 
> 
> Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> > As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Illya Vaes write:
> > > Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> >
> > > >If you want to define any product as a commodity, then Sunny Boy
breakfast
> > > >cereal (lovingly manufactured right here in Camrose, Alberta, available 
at
> > > >fine grocery stores everywhere) is a commodity, and therefore it's
illegal
> > > >for the producers to manipulate (change) the price.
> > >
> > > If Sunny Boy breakfast cereal had 95% of the cereal market (PC OSes) and 
near
> > > 90% or so of *all* breakfast stuff (personal computers), then their
control of
> > > prices in the breakfast arena (*not* only their own price) certainly
makes for
> > > a monopoly in even this (non-legal) definition.
> >
> > But all they CAN control is their own price.  They can keep the price of
> > their cereal constant all they want, but if those other 5% of the market
> > boys drop their cost in half and Sunny Boy is suddenly twice that of any
> > other cereal, they kiss their 95% goodbye.  They are then "forced" to
reduce
> > their own prices to compensate...in this case, 5% of the market can, under
> > your definition, "manipulate the price of the breakfast arena".  This
makes
> > these 5% of the market a monopoly that needs to be shut down by the
> > government!  All because you don't know what control really is.
> 
> Sunny Boy hasn't manipulated cereal prices in your example.  You lied.

They used the exact same mechanism, the only mechanism available to any
private enterprise company, that Microsoft used.  Microsoft managed to
manipulate prices, but Sunny Boy didn't....BY DOING THE SAME EXACT THING!

> You are also bizarre,  It's irrational to say the 5% of the market remaining
> can cut prices 50% without you first establishing how the prices got so
> high.

Companies cut prices all the time.  The prices didn't need to be "high" to
start with.  You aren't understanding how competition works...which makes it
all the more reprehensible that you try to speak of "allowing for
competition" by the government cracking down on evil profitable companies.

>                                                                1) The prices
> in your example were inflated by monopoly power

Just because prices can come down, doesn't mean they were "inflated".

> We all know what control means and our understanding explains why MS is in
> anti-trust, not Sunny Boy cereal.

The problem is that you don't like the notion of MS controlling its
property.  Everything else is fallout from that poisonous view.


-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: jaaskela@tietomyrsky.fi                           10-Dec-99 09:49:29
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:21
Subj: Warp 4 fixpack installation...

From: Vesa =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4=E4skel=E4inen?= <jaaskela@tietomyrsky.fi>

Is it possible to install US fixpack to UK version of Warp 4?

What's the difference between US and UK versions other that than
we need to wait many months before UK fixpack arrives...

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From: tgalley@pironet.com                               10-Dec-99 12:33:00
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Thomas Galley <tgalley@pironet.com>

Sure, you can have some cake, too... You do know what happened to the
woman who is famous for having said that in a very inappropriate
situation?

Greetings

Thomas

Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> 
> You don't _need_ to buy bread.  There's a difference.
> 
> Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066

-- 
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Im Mediapark 5 - 50670 Kln
Tel.: +49 (0)221 454 3833 - FAX: +49 (0)221 454 3810
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           10-Dec-99 07:22:08
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <jbysxvebayvaxarg.fmi1lm0.pminews@news.onlink.net>, on 12/09/99 at
07:34 PM,
   "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> said:

> On 10 Dec 1999 00:10:14 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> =>They did no such thing.  You are not harmed by being offered products
> you do =>not want.

> Sure I am. If the only way to get X is to take Y as well, then either I
> do without X, or I pay for Y, too. In the first instance, I cannot get
> what I want -- that is the harm of deprivation. In the second, I have to
> pay more than X is worth because Y is part of the package -- that is the
> harm of wasted money, which I'd rather spend on something else.

> If you think that does you no harm, I'd love to do business with you!

I wonder what Lars, assuming he is single, would think if he needed a 
drug to control his male pattern baldness problem. When he went to get the
product he found that the company making it had signed a per bottle
license with a much bigger company which required that the maker of the
baldness cure package it with a PMS remedy which was not suitable for men
and which raised the price of his male pattern baldness drug by $50 or so.

I bet he would agree that he was harmed.

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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      10-Dec-99 12:34:15
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On 10 Dec 1999 00:24:32 GMT, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:

>As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Illya Vaes write:
>> Lars P Ormberg wrote:
>
>> >If you want to define any product as a commodity, then Sunny Boy breakfast
>> >cereal (lovingly manufactured right here in Camrose, Alberta, available at
>> >fine grocery stores everywhere) is a commodity, and therefore it's illegal
>> >for the producers to manipulate (change) the price.
>> 
>> If Sunny Boy breakfast cereal had 95% of the cereal market (PC OSes) and
near
>> 90% or so of *all* breakfast stuff (personal computers), then their control 
of
>> prices in the breakfast arena (*not* only their own price) certainly makes
for
>> a monopoly in even this (non-legal) definition.
>
>But all they CAN control is their own price.  They can keep the price of
>their cereal constant all they want, but if those other 5% of the market
>boys drop their cost in half and Sunny Boy is suddenly twice that of any
>other cereal, they kiss their 95% goodbye.  They are then "forced" to reduce
>their own prices to compensate...in this case, 5% of the market can, under
>your definition, "manipulate the price of the breakfast arena".  This makes
>these 5% of the market a monopoly that needs to be shut down by the
>government!  All because you don't know what control really is.
>
>> >>MS certainly has a control that makes possible the manipulation of
prices.
>> >>If you were interested in facts instead of void definition games, you'd 
>> >>know that they used exactly that to force OEMs to only install Windows
>> >Microsoft can ask for any price they want for their property...that's how
a
>> >capitalist system works.  If an OEM doesn't do what MS wants, MS doesn't
>> >have to sell them Windows at a price desirable to an OEM.  And the OEM
>> >DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY.
>> 
>> As OEMs have little real choice
>
>They have all the real choice that they choose to have.  If one of the
>choices is very attractive, why criticize their making of that choice?  Why
>criticize Microsoft for making its choice so attractive?
>
>>                               because of the mono..."dominant position" of
>> MS, they certainly cannot do whatever they want. That's the law.
>
>It's also immoral.  If you want to defend immoral laws, then know your role
>and shut your mouth.
>
>> Regardless of whether or not you think they can or should be free the ask
any
>> price they want, their control of the market certainly allows them to
>> manipulate prices of all related software and their own
>
>Microsoft doesn't set the price that Corel sells Suite packages for.  Corel
>does that.  Of course, Corel will hardly set a price higher than their
>popular competition.  Of course, Microsoft will hardly let a competitor be
>cheaper than it, so MS sets its prices lower too.  What does this equal?  A
>battle for the money of the consumer, where prices drop and product quality
>soars, all because the companies existed in a free market and competed.
>
>
>> >>certainly have seen for yourself -before others pointed it out- that the 
>> >>price of Windows etc. has stayed the same and even gone *up* while PC 
>> >>hardware prices have only plummeted.
>>
>> >Big deal.  If they had dropped, you'd use that as evidence of a monopoly.
>> 
>> Yeah right. A monopoly that lowers prices... What planet are you from?
>
>Standard Oil, one of your supposed monopolies, dropped prices.
>
>> The only times MS ever lowered their prices are to "steal" market share
from
>> then-competition.

And what did you call it when Corel introduced their first Wordperfect
Suite?  They priced it half of Ms Office and to boot, said you only
needed one licence per office.  Was that not predatory pricing?  And
did the big bad wolf, MS meet the pricing level?  Like hell they did.
They sat back and watched Corel lose their ass for the simple reason
Office was a better product.




EBB

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           10-Dec-99 07:35:24
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:21
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <82pgd6$it$1@burn.ab.videon.ca>, on 12/10/99 at 12:10 AM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:


> The prefatory remark is totally incorrect.  If the choice you are making
> is a choice that nobody has provided for, no exercised force came along. 
> Your options could easily have been limited by...say...your limits.

Let us suppose for a minute there were no anti-trust laws and Michelin
became the tire manufacturer who produced 95% of the world's tires.
Michelin then went to GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, and
Mercedes and said to them you must install our tires on every car you sell
for $30 per tire. If you do not agree, then we will charge you $90 per
tire.

Now no automobile manufacturer who wanted to stay competitive could do
anything else but sign the agreement since $300 extra would make their
vehicles much less competitive.

And let us further suppose that Michelin went to the major aftermarket
retailers of accessories for your vehicle and said to them we will give
you a discount on our accessories such as our custom inflation valves,
blow out guards, sidewall cleaner, etc. if you only carry ours and not
those of our competitors.

Now also let us suppose that you wanted to buy a Jeep for a trek through
the Sahara Desert and needed specialized low pressure tires which Michelin
did not make. You would have two choices, pay $300 for tires for which you
had no possible use or buy a Range Rover for about $5,000 more than the
comparable Jeep since Range Rover didn't have such an agreement. Moreover,
when you needed to install blow-out guards, you had to pay 3 times what
Michelin guards cost.

I'll bet you would believe yourself to be harmed by the monopolistic
practices of Michelin. I am willing to wager you would find Michelin to be
an anti-competitive monopoly.

Now just substitute MicroSoft for Michelin and Toshiba, Dell, Gateway,
etc. for the auto makers. Substitute CompUSA, Sears, Computer City, CDW,
etc. for the accessory dealers. Substitute Lotus SmartSuite for blow out
guards or DB2 for custom inflation valves.

If I am willing to pay several hundred dollars more for a Compaq server
than a workstation which is all I really need, I can get a Compaq with a
different operating system. I can buy SmartSuite to run on it but I will
pay considerably more than the $95 Compaq charges for Office in their
software bundle. Or I can buy a Compaq workstation and throw out the
windows and pay $300 for SmartSuite.



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From: idawson@montupetuk.co.uk                          10-Dec-99 11:29:27
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:21
Subj: OS2 & Toshiba 300CDT Laptop

From: "ID" <idawson@montupetuk.co.uk>

I've been trying to install OS2 Warp 3 on a Toshiba 300CDT Laptop.  I
fdisk'd the hard disk to fat16. I inserted the Installation Diskette which
brings up an OS2 symbol in the top left cornet of the screen.  After about a
minute the machine reboots and continually performs the same task again,
never getting to disk 1.

The machine has a 2.1Gb HD with 80Mb Ram.


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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          10-Dec-99 18:54:12
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:22
Subj: Re: Warp 4 fixpack installation...

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:49:59 GMT, Vesa Jskelinen wrote:

:>Is it possible to install US fixpack to UK version of Warp 4?
:>
:>What's the difference between US and UK versions other that than
:>we need to wait many months before UK fixpack arrives...

One of the advantages of waiting for the UK version of fixpaks
is (hopefully) all the bugs have been worked out :-)

Cheers

Wayne


******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               10-Dec-99 11:31:06
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:22
Subj: Re: Warp 4 fixpack installation...

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

> :>What's the difference between US and UK versions other that than
> :>we need to wait many months before UK fixpack arrives...
> 
> One of the advantages of waiting for the UK version of fixpaks
> is (hopefully) all the bugs have been worked out :-)
> 
Probably another difference is that some of the words are misspelled 
;-)

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           10-Dec-99 14:31:20
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:22
Subj: Re: WSEB (Warp 4.5) memory allocation problem.

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <bmntvfazgra.fmh5zm0.pminews@snews.mnsi.net>, on 12/09/99 
   at 08:11 AM, "ozaG .S luaP" <ozag@isnm.ten> said:

>	I've been administering various machines running every version of OS/2
>since and including 2.0  It usually runs so well that I admit my
>nitty-gritty knowledge is starting to fade.  I have one WSEB machine,
>which allocates more and more memory every time I open any program, and
>never seems to de-allocate all of it.  Can you say memory leak?  I have
>all the standard enhancements on this PC; Object Desktop, PC/2, NPSWPS,
>and X-It.  I've even cut out the networking modules in an attempt to
>help.  Any suggestions?  I've parsed my old config.sys's from all other
>machine levels looking for MEMMAN mistakes or anything, to no avail.

From my experience, OD 2.01 under WSeb is a) almost unusable due to many
oddities in behaviour, b) displays sever memory leak, especially with
conjunction with Netscape Communicator 4.61 and other huge programs (Lotus
SS, StarOffice). I have deinstalled it from my WSeb system after a couple
of days of struggling with its bugs, and now the system is stable as
before. Without OD, I had only a couple of system lockups in 8 months,
with OD it could hardly stay up for one day. Newly released Fixkit 2 for
OD 2.0 may help also, but I have not tried it (is it already available? it
was announced, but I still cannot see it on Stardock web site).

Also, I did not have any of the other WPS enhancers you mentioned
installed here. I tried NPSWPS some time ago and it was very unstable too
so I removed it. Others however reported it running just fine on WSeb so
YMMV...

Cheers,
Ivan

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               10-Dec-99 05:19:12
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:22
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: letoured@nospam.net

larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

>> Oooh, Lars, now that's an interesting concept.  Well, how about
>> the injustice of M$ not refunding the price of WinXX licenses in
>> accordance with _their_ license?  Hmm, now they're not only
>> illegal in the view of the U.S. Government, but unjust as well!

>Than why haven't they been taken to court for THAT?  Why the big
>anti-monopoly farce?

You are showing what you don't know here. You don't go after the thief for
shoplifting when he already promised to stop and didn't, and when you know
he is also guilty of murder.

>If this was such a quick and clear cut case as you imply, surely it would
>have been handled, instead of wasting millions trying Microsoft for doing
>a moral business action.

This comes from more of what you don't know and don't want to learn.

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com                               10-Dec-99 14:00:25
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:22
Subj: Re: Long file names

From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com

In article <s50vjgd353161@corp.supernews.com>,
  jkross@TIRED_OF_SPAM@oxford.net (John Ross) wrote:
> In message <0r%24.16654$Tp.686005@typ11.nn.bcandid.com> -
areese@bestnetpc.com
> (A. Willard Reese) writes:

> :>	Can someone tell me how I can get long filenames (with spaces in
> :>them) from Win95 FAT16 partition to OS2 on an HPFS partition on the
> :>same hard drive.
> :>	I have a cdrom with over 150 *.TIF files with long filenames
that OS2
> :>refuses to read.  Win95 reads them and downloads them just fine into
a
> :>FAT partition.  If I copy them from the Fat partition into OS2
all the
> :>filenames are truncated (xxxxx~1.tif). Is there any  way that I can
> :>copy these files, with the long filenames intact, from that FAT
> :>partition into OS2 without renaming every file?

> The CD-ROM doesn't use Fat16, it probably uses a file scheme called
joliet. To
> read Joliet format add /W to:
>
> IFS=C:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS /v /w ,
>
> I'm not sure what fixpack level you need but it is a different
> version than the original Warp 4 CD.

Win95 isn't using simple FAT, it is using VFAT, which adds an
extension for long file names. There is a driver for VFAT for
OS/2 on Hobbes.

Similarly, CDFS uses a filesystem called ISO 9660. Just as
VFAT extends FAT, there are extensions to ISO 9660 that
add long file names. One is Rock Ridge, to add unix style
long names, and another is Joliet, from MS which allows
upto 32 character names. I don't think the new CDFS
of CDFS is in a fixpack, but it is available from the usual
sources (Hobbes, IBM) [the -V option causes it to admit
to being for WSeB not Warp].

A+
Paul
--
Paul Floyd
Is atrophy a shiny cup?


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: no.spam@no.spam.org                               10-Dec-99 15:42:20
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:22
Subj: Re: OS2 & Toshiba 300CDT Laptop

From: "Cornelis Bockem?hl" <no.spam@no.spam.org>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:54 -0000, ID wrote:

>I've been trying to install OS2 Warp 3 on a Toshiba 300CDT Laptop.  I
>fdisk'd the hard disk to fat16. I inserted the Installation Diskette which
>brings up an OS2 symbol in the top left cornet of the screen.  After about a
>minute the machine reboots and continually performs the same task again,
>never getting to disk 1.
>
>The machine has a 2.1Gb HD with 80Mb Ram.

Sounds rather strange to me: I have a Toshiba 300CDS Laptop with the
same size HD and 48MB RAM, and OS/2 installed there without a flaw!
This of course only means: It _should_ work somehow...

One more difference is that I use HPFS as my file system (which I
would recommend in any case: FAT16 is far less safe and you are
loosing a lot of disk space on HDs of that size, i.e. "huge" in the
old days of DOS and FAT16!

Once you get further with your installation I could give some more
recommendations, but also have a look at the "Notebook/2" site at

http://www.os2ss.com/users/drmartinus/Notebook.htm

in any case: You will find valuable information there.

For you first-time installation I would propose to install "VGA" in
the beginning, even if the installer would propose something else:
You will need GRADD (what I am using) or another C&T driver that is
not included in the installation disk. If you want to use PC-Cards,
just install _any_ brand, because contrary to the video installation
where you always have to deinstall any old ones first (or switch back
to VGA), here you better change an existing installation with new
drivers!

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>

--------------------------------------------
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e-mail: cbockem AT datacomm DOT ch
(use this instead of antispam reply address)
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From: no.spam@no.spam.org                               10-Dec-99 15:47:18
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: OS2 & Toshiba 300CDT Laptop

From: "Cornelis Bockem?hl" <no.spam@no.spam.org>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:42:41 +0100 (CET), Cornelis Bockemhl wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:54 -0000, ID wrote:
>
>>I've been trying to install OS2 Warp 3 on a Toshiba 300CDT Laptop.  I
>>fdisk'd the hard disk to fat16. I inserted the Installation Diskette which
>>brings up an OS2 symbol in the top left cornet of the screen.  After about a
>>minute the machine reboots and continually performs the same task again,
>>never getting to disk 1.
>>
>>The machine has a 2.1Gb HD with 80Mb Ram.
>
>Sounds rather strange to me: I have a Toshiba 300CDS Laptop with the
>same size HD and 48MB RAM, and OS/2 installed there without a flaw!
>This of course only means: It _should_ work somehow...
>
>One more difference is that I use HPFS as my file system (which I
>would recommend in any case: FAT16 is far less safe and you are
>loosing a lot of disk space on HDs of that size, i.e. "huge" in the
>old days of DOS and FAT16!

[...]

Oops, another difference of course: I installed Warp4 and you tried
it with Warp3 - however no idea if this matters!

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>

--------------------------------------------
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e-mail: cbockem AT datacomm DOT ch
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From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net                            10-Dec-99 14:52:28
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Y2K Woes

From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net

After applying Peer Fp IP08412 to bring my Warp 4 Peer up to date
I discovered that it no longer made connections automatically on
startup.  When I tried to back out of the FP, I sarted getting traps
on boot when the WPS was loading, so I had to put it back in.

Fortunately, with some further effort, I discovered that I could use
the NET USE command in my start up file to initiate the connections,
and it works fine now--but it took a few hours to discover the problem,
and figure it all out.



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Plymouth, MN
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From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net                            10-Dec-99 14:52:28
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: More Y2K Woes

From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net

When I went to bring my Warp Connect (red) up to date I applied MPTS
fixpacks w08423 and w08424--same converged fp's as used for Warp 4,
and all went well.  But, when I then tried to apply IP08196 to the v1.0
Peer, it stopped installing, complaining that it could not apply any service
because it discovered older CSF files that it did not like.  After some
pondering, I thought that perhaps it was a problem with the older
CSFTOOL1 installer, and tried FIXT139. Everything went in OK and
seems to work fine--but there were some tense moments while trying
to figure it all out.

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     10-Dec-99 06:48:00
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:

> On 10 Dec 1999 00:24:32 GMT, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
> >> The only times MS ever lowered their prices are to "steal" market share
from
> >> then-competition.
>
> And what did you call it when Corel introduced their first Wordperfect
> Suite?  They priced it half of Ms Office and to boot, said you only
> needed one licence per office.  Was that not predatory pricing?  And
> did the big bad wolf, MS meet the pricing level?  Like hell they did.
> They sat back and watched Corel lose their ass for the simple reason
> Office was a better product.

MS Office has been identified as another product in another market where MS
has
monopoly power.   The DOJ choose to challenge MS on OSs instead of both
markets.
When a company cuts prices in half and still cannot win marketshare you have a
serious problem in a market.

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     10-Dec-99 07:05:05
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Joseph write:
> >
> >
> > Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> >
> > > As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Illya Vaes write:
> > > > Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> > >
> > > > >If you want to define any product as a commodity, then Sunny Boy
breakfast
> > > > >cereal (lovingly manufactured right here in Camrose, Alberta,
available at
> > > > >fine grocery stores everywhere) is a commodity, and therefore it's
illegal
> > > > >for the producers to manipulate (change) the price.
> > > >
> > > > If Sunny Boy breakfast cereal had 95% of the cereal market (PC OSes)
and near
> > > > 90% or so of *all* breakfast stuff (personal computers), then their
control of
> > > > prices in the breakfast arena (*not* only their own price) certainly
makes for
> > > > a monopoly in even this (non-legal) definition.
> > >
> > > But all they CAN control is their own price.  They can keep the price of
> > > their cereal constant all they want, but if those other 5% of the market
> > > boys drop their cost in half and Sunny Boy is suddenly twice that of any
> > > other cereal, they kiss their 95% goodbye.  They are then "forced" to
reduce
> > > their own prices to compensate...in this case, 5% of the market can,
under
> > > your definition, "manipulate the price of the breakfast arena".  This
makes
> > > these 5% of the market a monopoly that needs to be shut down by the
> > > government!  All because you don't know what control really is.
> >
> > Sunny Boy hasn't manipulated cereal prices in your example.  You lied.
>
> They used the exact same mechanism, the only mechanism available to any
> private enterprise company, that Microsoft used.  Microsoft managed to
> manipulate prices, but Sunny Boy didn't....BY DOING THE SAME EXACT THING!

Sunny Boy didn't manipulate prices.  You lied.   Price manipulation is only
possible
with monopoly power - by a single company with monopoly power or by a trust. 
Cutting
prices is not price manipulation.  Competition over price is not price
manipulation.

This thread comes down to someone lying and shouting.


> > You are also bizarre,  It's irrational to say the 5% of the market
remaining
> > can cut prices 50% without you first establishing how the prices got so
> > high.
>
> Companies cut prices all the time.  The prices didn't need to be "high" to
> start with.  You aren't understanding how competition works...which makes it
> all the more reprehensible that you try to speak of "allowing for
> competition" by the government cracking down on evil profitable companies.

Companies cut prices all the time?  No.  Companies raise prices more than cut
them
unless Canada has deflation.
But you were telling me about cutting prices by 50% !!!    Speak to your
example.   You
see 50% price cuts all the time ?!?   No way.  You see price competition, not
price
manipulation.  You see changes measured in pennies, not dollars.


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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        10-Dec-99 15:39:11
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:59:10 GMT, Buddy Donnelly
<donnelly@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > >Well, put it this way.  The program download (archive+installer) fits
> > >on a
> > >floppy disk.
> > 
> > I am concentrating all my cognitive powers in an attempt to imagine
> > Netscape fitting on a floppy.  UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNHHHHHHH. 
> > Concentrate!  CONCENTRATE!!!!!!!
> 
> Anybody still have a copy of that QNX (wasn't it?) demo browser from 
> 2-3 years ago that could actually run from a booted floppy? The 
> browser and the OS both fit on the floppy?

My parents had one kicking around their house at one time, having a friend
who works at QNX.  Its functionality was a bit crippled, but it was still
really neat to see...

-- 
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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               10-Dec-99 09:40:10
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Warp 4 fixpack installation...

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

US FP's are applicable to ALL NLV versions. The 'risk' you run is
basically MRI (messages) we now appear in English if any were included
in the FP, and possible code page changes. For UK, this would be a very
small inconvienence, but for other languages, it could be a significant
change. You can alway use the US FP until the NLV is available, and then
backout the US and apply the NLV. We do NOT change content (even if
problems are found in the US FP) when we release an NLV FP, it is the
same, except for the MRI and codepages, that appears in the US (DBCS of
course have the 'extra' stuff, as well as the BIDI countries).

Any FP that has a '_' or '0' as the third character of the name is
considered 'generic' and can be applied to an NLV version. If there is
ANY other character there, it can ONLY be applied to system that have
the same corresponding character in the 3rd position of the appropriate
SYSLEVEL.XXX file.

Irv

Vesa Jskelinen wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to install US fixpack to UK version of Warp 4?
> 
> What's the difference between US and UK versions other that than
> we need to wait many months before UK fixpack arrives...

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          10-Dec-99 15:27:02
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Warp 4 fixpack installation...

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <E6sNVDizkcQ3-pn2-PZR0J6jzN8dI@n04h3125.ex-pressnet.com>
	   maxikins@os2bbs.com "Mark Klebanoff" writes:

> > :>What's the difference between US and UK versions other that than
> > :>we need to wait many months before UK fixpack arrives...
> >
> > One of the advantages of waiting for the UK version of fixpaks
> > is (hopefully) all the bugs have been worked out :-)
> >
> Probably another difference is that some of the words are misspelled
> ;-)

That's just bit-decay.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          10-Dec-99 15:56:22
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:39:22, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)
wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:59:10 GMT, Buddy Donnelly
> <donnelly@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > > >Well, put it this way.  The program download (archive+installer) fits
> > > >on a
> > > >floppy disk.
> > > 
> > > I am concentrating all my cognitive powers in an attempt to imagine
> > > Netscape fitting on a floppy.  UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNHHHHHHH. 
> > > Concentrate!  CONCENTRATE!!!!!!!
> > 
> > Anybody still have a copy of that QNX (wasn't it?) demo browser from 
> > 2-3 years ago that could actually run from a booted floppy? The 
> > browser and the OS both fit on the floppy?
> 
> My parents had one kicking around their house at one time, having a friend
> who works at QNX.  Its functionality was a bit crippled, but it was still
> really neat to see...

Interestingly, QNX is still developing it, and is up to v.4.5. Try 
this URL:

	http://www.qnx.com/iat/


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: rhein114@my-deja.com                              10-Dec-99 16:02:03
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: rhein114@my-deja.com

In article <38506F4A.55C3E470@kanderson.net>,
  Ken anderson <Kanderson@kanderson.net> wrote:
> Lotus told me it would be available on Dec. 21st.
>
> Jonathan Seder wrote:
>
> > Although http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/smartsuiteos2 says
> > "SmartSuite for OS/2 Warp 4 Release 1.5 Now Available (12/7/99)",
when I
> > called 1-800-343-5414 to order it, I was told it's not "in their
system"
> > and I should try again later.
> >
> > -- JDS
>I just checked Indelible Blue - it is available that is 1.5.
Anton Laux
>


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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      10-Dec-99 17:27:17
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 06:48:01 -0500, Joseph <josco@ibm.net> wrote:

>
>
>"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:
>
>> On 10 Dec 1999 00:24:32 GMT, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
>> >> The only times MS ever lowered their prices are to "steal" market share
from
>> >> then-competition.
>>
>> And what did you call it when Corel introduced their first Wordperfect
>> Suite?  They priced it half of Ms Office and to boot, said you only
>> needed one licence per office.  Was that not predatory pricing?  And
>> did the big bad wolf, MS meet the pricing level?  Like hell they did.
>> They sat back and watched Corel lose their ass for the simple reason
>> Office was a better product.
>
>MS Office has been identified as another product in another market where MS
has
>monopoly power.   The DOJ choose to challenge MS on OSs instead of both
markets.
>When a company cuts prices in half and still cannot win marketshare you have
a
>serious problem in a market.

Gee, you think?  There was a question in my para, want to answer it?
>

EBB

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From: larso@commodore.                                  10-Dec-99 17:52:15
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Joseph write:
> Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> > They used the exact same mechanism, the only mechanism available to any
> > private enterprise company, that Microsoft used.  Microsoft managed to
> > manipulate prices, but Sunny Boy didn't....BY DOING THE SAME EXACT THING!
> 
> Sunny Boy didn't manipulate prices.  You lied.   Price manipulation is only
> possible with monopoly power

This is your claim.  I am debunking it.  Stand back.

> by a single company with monopoly power or by a trust.  Cutting  prices is
> not price manipulation.  Competition over price is not price manipulation.

Then Microsoft cannot manipulate prices EITHER.  Microsoft's only power is
in the price it charges for its software...a price which can be less than or
equal to but never greater than the price consumers are willing to pay.

> > Companies cut prices all the time.  The prices didn't need to be "high" to
> > start with.  You aren't understanding how competition works...which makes
it
> > all the more reprehensible that you try to speak of "allowing for
> > competition" by the government cracking down on evil profitable companies.
> 
> Companies cut prices all the time?  No.

Yes.

>                                              Companies raise prices more
than
> cut them unless Canada has deflation.

You're speaking on an inflationary force, which forces a company to keep the
product's dollar figure increasing alongside.  The margin, however, can be
greatly reduced, as a company lowers the price (in a real sense) to attract
customers.

> But you were telling me about cutting prices by 50% !!!

Or 30%.  Or 20%.  Or 10%.  Or 5%.  Or 1%.  Cutting prices is cutting prices.

>                                                 Speak to your example.   You
> see 50% price cuts all the time ?!?   No way.

Not until some new upstart little guy barged in with a new and cheaper way
of doing things, that forced all the old dogs in the pound to sit up and
take notice that somebody knew how to kick their ass.

>                                          You see price competition, not
price
> manipulation.  You see changes measured in pennies, not dollars.

So its "manipulation" if we the consumer are getting too good of a deal?


-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: glend@nospam.direct.ca                            10-Dec-99 10:08:20
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Glenn Davies <glend@nospam.direct.ca>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:34:30 GMT, siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E.
Barry Bruyea) wrote:

>On 10 Dec 1999 00:24:32 GMT, larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) wrote:
>
>>As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Illya Vaes write:
>>> Lars P Ormberg wrote:
>>
>>> >If you want to define any product as a commodity, then Sunny Boy
breakfast
>>> >cereal (lovingly manufactured right here in Camrose, Alberta, available
at
>>> >fine grocery stores everywhere) is a commodity, and therefore it's
illegal
>>> >for the producers to manipulate (change) the price.
>>> 
>>> If Sunny Boy breakfast cereal had 95% of the cereal market (PC OSes) and
near
>>> 90% or so of *all* breakfast stuff (personal computers), then their
control of
>>> prices in the breakfast arena (*not* only their own price) certainly makes 
for
>>> a monopoly in even this (non-legal) definition.
>>
>>But all they CAN control is their own price.  They can keep the price of
>>their cereal constant all they want, but if those other 5% of the market
>>boys drop their cost in half and Sunny Boy is suddenly twice that of any
>>other cereal, they kiss their 95% goodbye.  They are then "forced" to reduce
>>their own prices to compensate...in this case, 5% of the market can, under
>>your definition, "manipulate the price of the breakfast arena".  This makes
>>these 5% of the market a monopoly that needs to be shut down by the
>>government!  All because you don't know what control really is.
>>
>>> >>MS certainly has a control that makes possible the manipulation of
prices.
>>> >>If you were interested in facts instead of void definition games, you'd 
>>> >>know that they used exactly that to force OEMs to only install Windows
>>> >Microsoft can ask for any price they want for their property...that's how 
a
>>> >capitalist system works.  If an OEM doesn't do what MS wants, MS doesn't
>>> >have to sell them Windows at a price desirable to an OEM.  And the OEM
>>> >DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY.
>>> 
>>> As OEMs have little real choice
>>
>>They have all the real choice that they choose to have.  If one of the
>>choices is very attractive, why criticize their making of that choice?  Why
>>criticize Microsoft for making its choice so attractive?
>>
>>>                               because of the mono..."dominant position" of
>>> MS, they certainly cannot do whatever they want. That's the law.
>>
>>It's also immoral.  If you want to defend immoral laws, then know your role
>>and shut your mouth.
>>
>>> Regardless of whether or not you think they can or should be free the ask
any
>>> price they want, their control of the market certainly allows them to
>>> manipulate prices of all related software and their own
>>
>>Microsoft doesn't set the price that Corel sells Suite packages for.  Corel
>>does that.  Of course, Corel will hardly set a price higher than their
>>popular competition.  Of course, Microsoft will hardly let a competitor be
>>cheaper than it, so MS sets its prices lower too.  What does this equal?  A
>>battle for the money of the consumer, where prices drop and product quality
>>soars, all because the companies existed in a free market and competed.
>>
>>
>>> >>certainly have seen for yourself -before others pointed it out- that the 

>>> >>price of Windows etc. has stayed the same and even gone *up* while PC 
>>> >>hardware prices have only plummeted.
>>>
>>> >Big deal.  If they had dropped, you'd use that as evidence of a monopoly.
>>> 
>>> Yeah right. A monopoly that lowers prices... What planet are you from?
>>
>>Standard Oil, one of your supposed monopolies, dropped prices.
>>
>>> The only times MS ever lowered their prices are to "steal" market share
from
>>> then-competition.
>
>And what did you call it when Corel introduced their first Wordperfect
>Suite?  They priced it half of Ms Office and to boot, said you only
>needed one licence per office.  Was that not predatory pricing?  And
>did the big bad wolf, MS meet the pricing level?  Like hell they did.
>They sat back and watched Corel lose their ass for the simple reason
>Office was a better product.
>

I've bought licenses of Wordperfect suite for clients, pre and post
Corel ownership, and can't ever remember when buying one allowed you
to install it on unlimited machines within an organization. Any
details?

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From: larso@commodore.                                  10-Dec-99 17:57:15
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Wolf Kirchmeir write:
> On 10 Dec 1999 00:10:14 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> =>They did no such thing.  You are not harmed by being offered products you
do
> =>not want.
> 
> Sure I am. If the only way to get X is to take Y as well, then either I do
> without X, or I pay for Y, too. In the first instance, I cannot get what I
> want -- that is the harm of deprivation.

By you're nonsensical definition of harm, you are harmed by the makers of
LearJets for the high price.  You want something, but the company isn't just
letting you have it.

You want to take away the rights of the people who would sell you things.
They have the right to use their property as they see fit.  If your
neighbour wants to sell his car, and decides he's going to charge a million
dollars when you wouldn't pay more than ten thousand, you cannot force him
to sell it to you, no matter how much you want it.

>                                        In the second, I have to pay more
> than X is worth

If you bought X, then the price was exactly what X was "worth".  You
apparently don't understand how prices are set in a free economy.

>                      because Y is part of the package -- that is the harm of
> wasted money, which I'd rather spend on something else.

Then save your money.  A company can mark up the price of something for ANY
REASON THEY CHOOSE.  It is their right.  It is their property.

> If you think that does you no harm, I'd love to do business with you!

You wouldn't.  Because if you decided to "do business" with me under your
mistaken beliefs, and decide to "get me back" by "harming me with your
offer", I would REFUSE THE OFFER.  And why?  Because any purchase is a
voluntary transaction.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  10-Dec-99 18:07:20
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Joseph write:
> Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> > > Obviously you North Americans have managed to build a veritable
> > > paradise-on-earth.  Here in the backward old UK, AFAIK a trader
> > > can refuse to sell to a person, at whim.
> > 
> > It's called property rights.
> > 
> > Your "paradise-on-earth" is only from the point of view of the person
> > getting the product.  The person with the product isn't in paradise if his
> > property can be taken when he doesn't want it to be.
> 
> Hey, I can make that same nutty argument about my property rights. I
> think it can be fun.  Let me try.....

Let's see if you, too, can show freedom being limited only by causing harm
(not, of course, for the 'harm' of being sold something) by initiating force
or
fraud.

> I just bought a baseball bat.  I have the right to swing my baseball bat
> anywhere I want

You are not allowed to destroy other people's property with your property.

>                    so if your pumpkin head is in its way tough

My person is my property.  Now you can ask if you can hit me in the head
with a baseball bat, and I can say yes...in which case, you CAN hit me
because we've had a voluntary agreement.  Of course, you may want to read
carefully the terms of the agreement before you sign it.  Because if I'm
taking the risk of head trauma, clearly I've got something big to gain from
the agreement.

> I have the right to own and drive my car to Canada and to own and carry
> my gun

Yes, you do have that right, even though the Canadian government
(government...the usurper of freedom...remember that) has taken it away.
You are morally justified, though you'll get thrown in jail for it (the
same as Microsoft will be punished by the state for doing morally justified
but illegal actions).

> I have rights and there is no way in hell they can take my car and gun
> at the border.  I have a right to own that gun and what the hell does
> taking my car have to do with a gun any how? Huh Lars?  What the
> hell!?!  I want my gun in Canada and I have ever right to drive to
> Canada and carry my personal property, my gun.  Yes sir!  
> 
> I know so much about property rights - just like you.

You apparently are a little fuzzy about them, Weibo.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  10-Dec-99 18:17:10
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Wolf Kirchmeir write:
> On 8 Dec 1999 18:30:43 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> =>It means a "monopoly" (which can apply to any business you choose) must
> =>suddenly care more about others than itself.  Mandatory altruism, where a
> =>company must suddenly give its competitors an advantage at every turn.
> =>
> =>By that standard, if a hockey team is at the top of its standings, it must
> =>regularly lose to teams in the divison to keep it "fair".
> 
> It has nothing to do with altruism, or with giving competitors an advantage.
> 
> THE PURPOSE OF A BUSINESS IS TO SATISFY THE CUSTOMERS.

No, the purpose of a business is to promote its own interests.

Now true, they will have to receive money from customers to do this.  But
pleasing customers isn't something they necessarily have to do (and no law
should force them).  In fact, many a company shouldn't be out in a blanket
mission to satisfy consumers (you said customers, but that really isn't what
you mean).  Microsoft cannot and should not be out trying to satisfy OS/2
cheerleaders.  They should work on satisfying those who bought their product
(and will do so again), and attract those who aren't using their product.
But if they run into a brick wall of irrationality about it, they'd be
insane to pursue it.

> That's all. That's its only justification for existence. (If you want to say
> it's to make a profit, you are confusing incentive and purpose.

The purpose is to make a profit, which is the incentive to get customers.
If a business could make a profit without getting customers, they'd probably
sign on.  But they wouldn't sign on to get customers with no profit.

> Therefore, a business does not have the right to limit, constrain, or force
> customers' choices.

A business has the right use their property.  I happen to be in possession
of the entire world collection of original prints from an artist I know (11
works).  I have the right to limit the choice of a customer in selecting
works from this artist.  I can "force" them to pay a huge sum for obtaining
one such work.  And do you know what?  I am morally justified in doing so,
for those works belong to me, and I get to decide what is done with them.

If you don't want to pay my price for art, buy it somewhere else.

> If you disagree with this proposition, you are subscribing to the business
> ethic of organised crime.

When was the last time Microsoft sent boys to a programmers house to tell
him to either stop programming, cut MS in for a share of the profits, or
suffer the pain of having three fingerrs removed?

Motorcycle gangs do this to competing drug houses.  Microsoft does no such
thing.  They make and sell products.  To compare them is lunacy to the
untold degree.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: iridtacw@ssimicro.com                             10-Dec-99 10:18:12
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: When OS/2 Warp Boots Up

From: "Phillip A. Hawke" <iridtacw@ssimicro.com>

Hello all,

What is the sequence of events when OS/2 Warp boots up? After BIOS, what
files, and in what order, does it automatically refer to? Is there any way I
can cause OS/2 to record everything it does during a boot?

Thanks for your help, folks. I don't know much about OS/2 but have to use it
at work.

Phil


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From: larso@commodore.                                  10-Dec-99 19:08:22
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
>    me@my.place (me) said:
> 
> > Some Canadians do not understand US law, however most Americans do not 
> > understand Canadian law.  Insulting all Canadians is a true showing of
> > your qualities or lack there of.  I have met rude Americans and this
> > does not mean all Americans are rude.  I judge an individual on there
> > merits not by their country.
> 
> I never meant to insult anyone but the two assholes from Calgary, Britton
> and Lars.

I'm not _from_ Calgary!

How can you claim to send a "snail mail" to my University, when you don't
know where it is?  When you get your mail back Return to Sender, don't blame
me.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: cdelanoy@ualberta.ca                              10-Dec-99 19:52:25
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Chris J Delanoy <cdelanoy@ualberta.ca>

 "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> wrote:

> I wondered if anyone would provide a demonstration of the asininity
> of Rand's philosphy.

Then keep wondering, because neither you nor anybody else has or
can provide such a demonstration.

Although from your irrational statements here, the statement you've
made with respect to the completely invalidity of -your- mind is
quite plausible.

Chris J Delanoy


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From: cdelanoy@ualberta.ca                              10-Dec-99 20:05:20
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Chris J Delanoy <cdelanoy@ualberta.ca>

 Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:

> Let us suppose for a minute there were no anti-trust laws and
> Michelin became the tire manufacturer who produced 95% of the
> world's tires. Michelin then went to GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota,
> Honda, Volkswagen, and Mercedes and said to them you must install
> our tires on every car you sell for $30 per tire. If you do not
> agree, then we will charge you $90 per tire.

You've defeated your supposed argument in your own statement.
If the company does not agree to Michelin's deal, then Michelin
can't charge them $90 per tire because THE COMPANY ISN'T BUYING
ANY MICHELIN TIRES!  Listen to your argument in it's essential
terms:  "Companies will gouge me with high prices when I don't
buy their products."  This is patently absurd and completely
contradictory.  If you aren't buying their products, then the
price you're not paying is ZERO!

> And let us further suppose that Michelin went to the major
> aftermarket retailers of accessories for your vehicle and said
> to them we will give you a discount on our accessories such as our
> custom inflation valves, blow out guards, sidewall cleaner, etc.
> if you only carry ours and not those of our competitors.

The only loser in this situation is Michelin.  Everybody else
benefits.

> Now also let us suppose that you wanted to buy a Jeep for a trek
> through the Sahara Desert and needed specialized low pressure tires
> which Michelin did not make. You would have two choices, pay $300
> for tires for which you had no possible use or buy a Range Rover for
> about $5,000 more than the comparable Jeep since Range Rover didn't
> have such an agreement.

But if Range Rover didn't have the agreement with Michelin, then they
aren't using Michelin tires at all.  Again you're trying to use
fantasies to justify your economic hocus-pocus nonsense here.

> Moreover, when you needed to install blow-out guards, you had to
> pay 3 times what Michelin guards cost.

But you just said that Michelin was giving a discount (ie - charging
below market price) on blow-out guards.  Meaning that the price
is lower and that you're better off by purchasing that product.

> I'll bet you would believe yourself to be harmed by the
> monopolistic practices of Michelin. I am willing to wager you would
> find Michelin to be an anti-competitive monopoly.

I'll take that wager.

All of your arguments are based on the premise that human beings
are irrational automotons incapable of thinking.  Although you
don't even know it, your arguments represent a full assault on
the validity of the human mind (and thus on humanity itself) -
and that is why, in addition to being laughably wrong, your
arguments are also morally reprehensible.

Chris J Delanoy


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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     10-Dec-99 19:35:15
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: OS2 & Toshiba 300CDT Laptop

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:54 -0000, ID wrote:

->I've been trying to install OS2 Warp 3 on a Toshiba 300CDT Laptop.  I
->fdisk'd the hard disk to fat16. I inserted the Installation Diskette which
->brings up an OS2 symbol in the top left cornet of the screen.  After about a
->minute the machine reboots and continually performs the same task again,
->never getting to disk 1.
->
->The machine has a 2.1Gb HD with 80Mb Ram.

Remake the install diskettes from the CD using CDINST.BAT and try again -
this will eliminate a corrupt diskette.


Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: pchapin@sover.net                                 10-Dec-99 13:36:03
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: pchapin@sover.net (Peter Chapin)

In article <wcQ34.123288$V4.1599534@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>, 
alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca says...

> Well, put it this way.  The program download (archive+installer) fits
> on a floppy disk.
> 
> Not counting disk cache, the full application seems to take up about 3Mb
> total on my work machine...
> 
> And just about the only significant thing it doesn't support is Java
> (which it will soon, via the native JDK, I think).

(The above comments pertain to Opera)

I visited Opera's web page recently (http://www.opera.com/) to check 
this browser out. I had heard good things about it from a friend of 
mine. (I notice that they are working on a native OS/2 version... good) 
However, it seemed apparent from their page that Opera does not support 
cascaded style sheets. Considering that all the physical layout tags in 
HTML v3.2 are now officially depreciated in preference to style sheets, 
I'd say that was a pretty significant thing that Opera does not 
implement. In fact, I'm thinking about reworking my personal web site to 
take advantage of style sheets (I just read about them recently and they 
seem way cool) and the lack of style sheet support in Opera caused me to 
decide not to even bother downloading it.

Peter

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     10-Dec-99 19:20:08
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Y2K Woes

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:52:56, jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net wrote:

> After applying Peer Fp IP08412 to bring my Warp 4 Peer up to date
> I discovered that it no longer made connections automatically on
> startup.  When I tried to back out of the FP, I sarted getting traps
> on boot when the WPS was loading, so I had to put it back in.
> 
> Fortunately, with some further effort, I discovered that I could use
> the NET USE command in my start up file to initiate the connections,
> and it works fine now--but it took a few hours to discover the problem,
> and figure it all out.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
> Plymouth, MN
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

I think that started at the IP8407 fix level. You have discovered the 
EASY fix for the problem. Someone, some time ago, indicated that there
was some server setting that would fix the problem, but the Peer 
networking does not have such a setting (at least I never found it if 
it does exist). I just use the NET USE command to connect, and that 
works just fine.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     10-Dec-99 19:20:07
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Strange files

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:29:15, "Wayne Bickell" 
<wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I was just looking in my MMOS2 directory to sort out another problem
> when I came across a couple of strange looking files. 00000000.001
> at 17529Kb and 00000000.002, 00000000.003 and 00000000.004 all at 
> 0Kb. I wonder what they are and can I safely delete them.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> ******************************************************
> Wayne Bickell
> Tokyo, Japan
> wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
> ******************************************************
>            Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
>   Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
> ******************************************************
> 

I have no files like that. I would suggest that you copy them all to 
diskette (they should fit), then delete them from the hard disk. If 
you have a problem, put them back.

I suspect that they are left over junk, from a system crash.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                09-Dec-99 20:20:09
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: FixPack12 & EPM 6.03b

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 Charles Cohen wrote:

> Just istalled Fixpack12 and the only problem hat I am having is that
> although I can launch (open) the EPM v6.03b...I cannot load or save or
> anything for that matter because the program shuts itself down.

FP#12 breaks EPM. My fonts were mixed up, so I got back to 11. But it fixed
the program crash while loading files with big EAs attached. That's why I
use ETKE603.DLL from FP#12 as the only replacement, but now I have to type
F3 twice to close a file that was changed (doesn't close after 'save'
dialog).

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                09-Dec-99 20:25:15
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: How can I tell what fix level I have?

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 nospam.wxperson@pcwp.com wrote:

> I purchased OS2 V4 about 2 years ago and have never have applied a
> "fix" so the syslevel.fpk does not appear in the list.

> Does that make me level 0?

No, you just have no FixPak level. (Indeed there was a FixPak #0 ...)

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: bran.everseeking@sk.sympatico.ca                  10-Dec-99 20:14:07
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: bran.everseeking@sk.sympatico.ca (Bran Everseeking)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:48:59, Philip Wright <pvwrght@attglobal.net> 
wrote:

|> Indelible Blue lists it at $209.00 and Tech Data (wholesale) has it
|> at $194.00. I guess the strategy is to make it financially difficult
|> for us to stay with OS/2. What a shame.

dunno about that... i paid twice that for wp5.0 dos and then added 123
into the mix...

though  suppose one could buy several new copies of word etc with new 
file formats on each upgrade

cheap good fast stable they dont seem to all come together




-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
bran.everseeking@sk.sympatico.ca  If I am politically 
correct it is as much an accident as my spelling, 
please dont expect an appology for my style or opinions.
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From: pvwrght@attglobal.net                             10-Dec-99 14:48:29
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: Philip Wright <pvwrght@attglobal.net>

Indelible Blue lists it at $209.00 and Tech Data (wholesale) has it
at $194.00. I guess the strategy is to make it financially difficult
for us to stay with OS/2. What a shame.

Philip Wright


rhein114@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> In article <38506F4A.55C3E470@kanderson.net>,
>   Ken anderson <Kanderson@kanderson.net> wrote:
> > Lotus told me it would be available on Dec. 21st.
> >
> > Jonathan Seder wrote:
> >
> > > Although http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/smartsuiteos2 says
> > > "SmartSuite for OS/2 Warp 4 Release 1.5 Now Available (12/7/99)",
> when I
> > > called 1-800-343-5414 to order it, I was told it's not "in their
> system"
> > > and I should try again later.
> > >
> > > -- JDS
> >I just checked Indelible Blue - it is available that is 1.5.
> Anton Laux
> >
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: help@98.to                                        10-Dec-99 21:09:29
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:01
Subj: Collection of Web Cam Sites about Ladies, Animals (e.g. Africa & newbor

From: help@98.to (Camille)

Collection of Web Cam Sites about Ladies, Animals (e.g. Africa & newborn 
Panda) and Countries

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You can see the real time images on the web.

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         10-Dec-99 21:56:03
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:01
Subj: Re: Networking a HP LaserJet4...

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:09:08 GMT, James Moe wrote:

>
>
>"Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> As an aside, did anyone notice that HP have discontinued decent
>> JetAdmin support for OS/2 - you have to have an NT server on your
>> system to run the newer OS/2 JetAdmin. I couldn't find a suitable HP
>> contact to complain to in the notifying email :-( Not that I use it
>> anyway...
>> 
>  As I recall, HP is discontinuing ALL versions of JetAdmin, not just
>os/2. The replacement is WebJetAdmin.
>
Which is not supported in an OS/2-only version as far as I can tell,
you need the NT server stuff.

Dave
-- 
mail da ve@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             10-Dec-99 23:01:01
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:01
Subj: (No subject)

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

Tell me about an IDE ZIP drive.

How is it seen by the OS- as a removable device, assigned a drive letter
or what?

I really hate to deal with IOMEGA but I need something for storing
moderate amounts of data and files off my HDD and it appears they are
less trouble than a LS-120.

How about configuring it? What swiches are required on IBM's IDE driver.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: jkross@TIRED_OF_SPAM@oxford.net                   10-Dec-99 04:15:22
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: Long file names

From: jkross@TIRED_OF_SPAM@oxford.net (John Ross)

In message <0r%24.16654$Tp.686005@typ11.nn.bcandid.com> - areese@bestnetpc.com
(A. Willard Reese) writes:
:>
:>	Can someone tell me how I can get long filenames (with spaces in
:>them) from Win95 FAT16 partition to OS2 on an HPFS partition on the
:>same hard drive. 
:>	I have a cdrom with over 150 *.TIF files with long filenames that OS2
:>refuses to read.  Win95 reads them and downloads them just fine into a
:>FAT partition.  If I copy them from the Fat partition into OS2 all the
:>filenames are truncated (xxxxx~1.tif). Is there any  way that I can
:>copy these files, with the long filenames intact, from that FAT
:>partition into OS2 without renaming every file?

The CD-ROM doesn't use Fat16, it probably uses a file scheme called joliet. To
read Joliet format add /W to:

IFS=C:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS /v /w , 

I'm not sure what fixpack level you need but it is a different version than
the original Warp 4 CD.

:>	I'm appreciative of any help or suggestions you might offer.  I'm
:>really stumped.
:>Willard
:>




-john ross

http://www.oxford.net/~jkross

Remove "@I_hate_spam" from address to reply.... 

              
--
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea --
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it."--spaf@cs.purdue.edu (1992)

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From: hpohl@ino.de                                      09-Dec-99 06:10:05
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: ZipStream 1.10 on Warp 4

From: Herbert Pohl <hpohl@ino.de>

As far as I know it is free. At least I could upgrade without any
problems

H. Pohl 

(herbert.h.pohl@gmx.de)

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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    10-Dec-99 03:57:01
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: Help files

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

katholi@attglobal.net <katholi@attglobal.net> wrote:
>Can anyone point me to a utility (probably for developers) which can allow me
> to access and edit the text of a *.hlp file? 

You have to prepare the file in a text editor, using a markup language
called IPF, then translate it with the help compiler, which is called
IPFC.EXE.  The IPF documentation and the IPFC.EXE are distributed with
some compilers.  Otherwise, I'm reasonably certain that they can be
obtained from the IBM Developer COnnection website.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     09-Dec-99 21:19:06
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Illya Vaes write:
> > Lars P Ormberg wrote:
>
> > >If you want to define any product as a commodity, then Sunny Boy
breakfast
> > >cereal (lovingly manufactured right here in Camrose, Alberta, available
at
> > >fine grocery stores everywhere) is a commodity, and therefore it's
illegal
> > >for the producers to manipulate (change) the price.
> >
> > If Sunny Boy breakfast cereal had 95% of the cereal market (PC OSes) and
near
> > 90% or so of *all* breakfast stuff (personal computers), then their
control of
> > prices in the breakfast arena (*not* only their own price) certainly makes 
for
> > a monopoly in even this (non-legal) definition.
>
> But all they CAN control is their own price.  They can keep the price of
> their cereal constant all they want, but if those other 5% of the market
> boys drop their cost in half and Sunny Boy is suddenly twice that of any
> other cereal, they kiss their 95% goodbye.  They are then "forced" to reduce
> their own prices to compensate...in this case, 5% of the market can, under
> your definition, "manipulate the price of the breakfast arena".  This makes
> these 5% of the market a monopoly that needs to be shut down by the
> government!  All because you don't know what control really is.

Sunny Boy hasn't manipulated cereal prices in your example.  You lied.

You are also bizarre,  It's irrational to say the 5% of the market remaining
can cut
prices 50% without you first establishing how the prices got so high.  1) The
prices
in your example were inflated by monopoly power or 2) the 5% competitors were
in an
illegal trust and then broke ranks to cut prices and loss a ton of money -- a
stupid. suggestion.

We all know what control means and our understanding explains why MS is in
anti-trust, not Sunny Boy cereal.


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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             10-Dec-99 05:08:19
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: Corel Suite 8 for win 98 in Warp 3 ?

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

For reading Word97 files, I use Word6 in a WinOS/2 window, with the 
appropriate filter (which can be obtained from M$ web site). The only 
drawback is that I have to rename long files to the 8.3 format.

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:24:40, John Mandeville <nospam@nospam.com> 
wrote:

> Is there a service pack or whatever that will allow it to read MSWord 97
> files?


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From: admin@hotmail.com                                 10-Dec-99 06:01:28
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: Win 32 problems

From: admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:13:47, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

> Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> > I tried this one and all it seemed to do is to install freecell.  I
> > think that
> > the installation routine detected newer files and skipped them.  Do
> > you know a
> > workaround?
>
> Hm, try to delete or rename WIN32S.INI.

Tried that, it worked, thanks.

Edmond Dantes
phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

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From: Kanderson@kanderson.net                           09-Dec-99 22:11:03
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: Ken anderson <Kanderson@kanderson.net>

Lotus told me it would be available on Dec. 21st.

Jonathan Seder wrote:

> Although http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/smartsuiteos2 says
> "SmartSuite for OS/2 Warp 4 Release 1.5 Now Available (12/7/99)", when I
> called 1-800-343-5414 to order it, I was told it's not "in their system"
> and I should try again later.
>
> -- JDS

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From: josco@sea.monterey.edu                            10-Dec-99 16:22:08
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: josco <josco@sea.monterey.edu>

On 10 Dec 1999, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Joseph write:
> > Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> 
> > > They used the exact same mechanism, the only mechanism available to any
> > > private enterprise company, that Microsoft used.  Microsoft managed to
> > > manipulate prices, but Sunny Boy didn't....BY DOING THE SAME EXACT
THING!
> > 
> > Sunny Boy didn't manipulate prices.  You lied.   Price manipulation is
only
> > possible with monopoly power
> 
> This is your claim.  I am debunking it.  Stand back.

It was your claim and your attempt to redefine price manipulation to mean
any change in price including those that the competitive market induces. 
By definition price manipulation is understood with respect to price
changes made in a competitive market.
 
> > by a single company with monopoly power or by a trust.  Cutting  prices is
> > not price manipulation.  Competition over price is not price manipulation.
> 
> Then Microsoft cannot manipulate prices EITHER.  Microsoft's only power is
> in the price it charges for its software...a price which can be less than or
> equal to but never greater than the price consumers are willing to pay.

A monopoly can, by definition, change increase prices and consumers still
pay for the product.  The fact a person buys the product from an OEM or MS
does not invalidate the existance of monopoly power abuse.  If it did then
monopoly power would be a contradiction.  It would have no logical basis
and nonexistant. It would only apply to products NO ONE buys.  (And
screaming about the word FORCE simple shows a weak understanding of the
topic.)  

Price manipulation and monopoly power are well understood words with
consistent definitions.  


> You're speaking on an inflationary force, which forces a company to keep the
> product's dollar figure increasing alongside.  The margin, however, can be
> greatly reduced, as a company lowers the price (in a real sense) to attract
> customers.

The cost of living has increased so your assertion that prices go down is
on the average FALSE.  You also have no examples of 50% price cuts and
cannot tell us all that the profit margins of cereal are tied to volume
with a small company taking on a larger company --- a some nonsensical
example. 

> 
> > But you were telling me about cutting prices by 50% !!!
> 
> Or 30%.  Or 20%.  Or 10%.  Or 5%.  Or 1%.  Cutting prices is cutting prices.

No.  50% price cuts do not happen in cereal but your example required that
extreme exmaple to justify a nonsense argument about price manipulation
-- a company doing 50% price cuts is committing sucide and noone will
follw the company into bankrupcy. That does not happen and the rpice cuts
that do happen are not manipulations but normal business.

Replace 50% with 1% and your example is invalid since the discount is
tricial and of no consequence - no price change.

> Not until some new upstart little guy barged in with a new and cheaper way
> of doing things, that forced all the old dogs in the pound to sit up and
> take notice that somebody knew how to kick their ass.

Kick ass?  Yes, in a fantasy land where there is some fantistic way where
a SMALL company discounts cereal by 50% to take the market share of a
larger company.  They achieve this cost savings due to increased VOLUME -
but this is a small company and they cannot match the volume of a large
company. Fantasy land.  Hey -- we just learned about BARRIERS to
competition.


> So its "manipulation" if we the consumer are getting too good of a deal? 

Predatory pricing is illegal -- the economics of dumping and undercutting
by leveraging a monopoly in a different market are well recognized as bad.
Not by you but until you become Iluvatar, the Creator, what you choose to
discount still exists.

Any half-witted Albertan should recognize the argument since it's commonly
applied to trade between Alberta and US (Montana) over food prodcuts.
Price dumping on wheat and canola oil are common themes.

MS was shown to have spend hundreds of millions and forgo revenue by
DUMPING IE for free and then tying IE to the OS so they could own the
browser market that would protect their 94% market share of the PC OS
market. There are some arguments that dumping IE could be profitable and
arguemtns about innovation that need to be resolved but the nature of the
case is far from what you demand we have to argue. 


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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               10-Dec-99 19:11:24
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On 10 Dec 1999 17:57:30 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

=>By you're nonsensical definition of harm, you are harmed by the makers of
=>LearJets for the high price.  You want something, but the company isn't just
=>letting you have it.

I just love the way you misread my posts. You didn't have me for a HS
teacher, that's for sure! I wouldn't let yopu get away with such silliness.

IF I wanted to buy a Learjet, and IF Learjet said I could buy it only with a
helicopter that I didn't want, yes, they would be harming me. To make the
purchase of item A (which I want/need, and am willing to pay for) conditional
on also purchasing item B (which I don't want) is a harm to me because it
means that to get item A I have to waste some money, or esle do without item
A. I think you would agree that wasting money is harmful to me, and that
going without something I want or need is also harmful. (The degree of harm
is irrelevant to this conclusion.)

By the way, selling stuff is not a >>use<< of property. You call it that
becasue you must find some argument to support your silly notion that a
seller can do me no harm by setting conditons on the sale.



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From: josco@sea.monterey.edu                            10-Dec-99 16:37:16
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: josco <josco@sea.monterey.edu>

On 10 Dec 1999, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

> As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Joseph write:
> > Lars P Ormberg wrote:
> > Hey, I can make that same nutty argument about my property rights. I
> > think it can be fun.  Let me try.....
> 
> Let's see if you, too, can show freedom being limited only by causing harm
> (not, of course, for the 'harm' of being sold something) by initiating force 
or
> fraud.

A business is a property.  
 
> > I have the right to own and drive my car to Canada and to own and carry
> > my gun
> 
> Yes, you do have that right, even though the Canadian government
> (government...the usurper of freedom...remember that) has taken it away.
> You are morally justified, though you'll get thrown in jail for it (the
> same as Microsoft will be punished by the state for doing morally justified
> but illegal actions).

Well now we have some progress -- you now recognize the LAW and therefore
you can begin to recognize that the acts are measureable and definable.

A gun is measureable.  Monopoly power is measurable.  It does exist,
illegal or not. It does exist and can be used to drive companies out of
business.  Guns can shoot and monopoly power exists.  It can be argued
using monopoly power is legal but the power has to be recognized.  If you
deny it does exist then things that can be measured in the market are
inconsistent with your advocacy and your arguments are based on
falsehoods. I cannot deny that my gun exists or that it does shoot as a
way to defend my right to own a gun.

You have refused to recognize the phenomena of a monoipoly and monopoly
power. You cannot deny the gun in my car and you cannot deny monopoly
power. 

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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               10-Dec-99 19:40:25
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On 10 Dec 1999 00:26:43 GMT, Lars P Ormberg wrote:

=>The freedom to act based on your own interests.
=>
=>Not hard to grasp.

Ah, I thought you would say something like that.

Of course if you cannot grasp your own interest, you're in deep shit. And
will cause a lof shit, too. So we, who will be harmed by your blinkered
notion of what your interests are, will have tp punish you -- entirely to
advance our own interest, of course! Our freedom allows us to curtail yours.

If you see a contradiction here, you're roight. Your definition is a dressed
up version of, Freedom means I can do what I want.




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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               10-Dec-99 19:48:27
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:52:51 GMT, Chris J Delanoy wrote:

=> "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net> wrote:
=>
=>> I wondered if anyone would provide a demonstration of the asininity
=>> of Rand's philosphy.
=>
=>Then keep wondering, because neither you nor anybody else has or
=>can provide such a demonstration.
=>
=>Although from your irrational statements here, the statement you've
=>made with respect to the completely invalidity of -your- mind is
=>quite plausible.
=>
=>Chris J Delanoy
=>
=>
=>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
=>Before you buy.


Speak to the question, Chris!

Demonstrate to me that a rational mind CREATES choices!




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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    10-Dec-99 17:52:25
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: When OS/2 Warp Boots Up

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <944846567.340577@pollux.ssimicro.com>,
"Phillip A. Hawke" <iridtacw@ssimicro.com> wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>What is the sequence of events when OS/2 Warp boots up? After BIOS, what
>files, and in what order, does it automatically refer to? Is there any way I
>can cause OS/2 to record everything it does during a boot?
>
>Thanks for your help, folks. I don't know much about OS/2 but have to use it
>at work.
>
>Phil

You know, there are probably THOUSANDS of OS/2 users who would just
LOVE to "have" to use OS/2 at work :-)

I know of no way to log the events as OS/2 boots, but here is a rough
example of what happens:

Power on - goes through standard POST and loads system BIOS.
If SCSI Disk system, SCSI BIOS installed.
OS2KRNL loads (via OS2LDR).
Processor switched to Protected Mode.
System BIOS disconnected.
BASEDEV statements in OS/2's config.sys file load.
DEVICE statements in config.sys load.
<not sure of the remaining order of config.sys file statements>


--
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*  President                                                 *
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*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          11-Dec-99 07:03:29
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Warp 4 fixpack installation...

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:40:20 -0600, Irv Spalten wrote:

<snip>

:>small inconvienence, but for other languages, it could be a significant
:>change. You can alway use the US FP until the NLV is available, and then
:>backout the US and apply the NLV. We do NOT change content (even if
:>problems are found in the US FP) when we release an NLV FP, it is the
:>same, except for the MRI and codepages,

<snip>

So we DO inherit all the bugs from the US version :-(

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     10-Dec-99 23:43:01
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: When OS/2 Warp Boots Up

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:18:25, "Phillip A. Hawke" 
<iridtacw@ssimicro.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> What is the sequence of events when OS/2 Warp boots up? After BIOS, what
> files, and in what order, does it automatically refer to? Is there any way I
> can cause OS/2 to record everything it does during a boot?
> 
> Thanks for your help, folks. I don't know much about OS/2 but have to use it
> at work.
> 
> Phil
> 
Take a look at http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/dev/info/ifsinf.zip for 
some good information on that subject.

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           11-Dec-99 01:00:27
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: IDE ZIP drive was (No subject)

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:01:02, rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) 
wrote:

> Tell me about an IDE ZIP drive.
> 
> How is it seen by the OS- as a removable device, assigned a drive letter
> or what?
> 
> I really hate to deal with IOMEGA but I need something for storing
> moderate amounts of data and files off my HDD and it appears they are
> less trouble than a LS-120.
> 
> How about configuring it? What swiches are required on IBM's IDE driver.

The IDE ZIP drive requires that you have the latest update
for the IDE device drivers installed and that you are using
Fixpack 6 for Warp 4 or later to obtain the removable device
support.

Device drivers have been moved to their own fixpack
series so if you install FP 12 you should also install
the DD01 fixpack.

You can obtain these through RSU updates or through
the FTP site ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/

With the IDE ZIP you just connect it to the IDE cable
(checking for Slave or Master of course) and if you
have the device support installed it comes up automatically.

The base device driver that is required (besides IBM1S506.add)
is IBMATAPI.FLT

Partition the cartridge and format for FAT or HPFS.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Dec-99 01:03:21
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Warp 4 fixpack installation...

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:03:59, "Wayne Bickell" 
<wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:40:20 -0600, Irv Spalten wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> :>small inconvienence, but for other languages, it could be a significant
> :>change. You can alway use the US FP until the NLV is available, and then
> :>backout the US and apply the NLV. We do NOT change content (even if
> :>problems are found in the US FP) when we release an NLV FP, it is the
> :>same, except for the MRI and codepages,
> 
> <snip>
> 
> So we DO inherit all the bugs from the US version :-(

The closest we can come to a modern version of "Missionary's Disease" 
which was how our white explorers nearly exterminated native 
populations in various native cultures like Hawaii?


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               10-Dec-99 17:32:00
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 23:09:10
Subj: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Here's some hot news for all you NON-Warp City Members:

FST Inc, has joined in a business partnership arrangement
with National DialUp Services and InnoVal Systems Solutions,
to provide a low-cost nationwide ISP service for OS/2 users.
ISP800, a private brand ISP for corporate customers, is
inaugurating service for consumers on January 3,  2000.

Extra special prices are available for any OS/2 user who
pre-registers for  the service by December 30, 1999. In
addition, three subscribers will be selected, at random,
from the first 100 OS/2 users who signup. These three
subscribers will receive free ISP service for one year until
December 31, 2000.

Highlights of ISP800 service include:

Your choice of:

Unlimited 56K access through an 800 dialup number or unlimited service
using a local dialup number.

A high performance and high capacity POP3 email mailbox

SMTP outbound email

Toll free 24/7 technical support

Very low cost for OS/2 users. ISP800 may also be used with Linux,
Mac, and  Windows95/98 client platforms.

No signup fees. You may cancel the service at the end of any month.

Anyone who travels, uses the Internet from more than one permanent
location, or lives in an area not supported by a local access number,
is encouraged to use the 800 number. Performance on the 800 number
is equal to that of local access numbers since all connections are
automatically and instantly re-directed through a close-proximity
modem. Access with the 800 number is available anywhere in the
United States where a dial tone is available. THERE IS NEVER AN
ADDITIONAL FEE FOR USING THE 800 NUMBER TO ACCESS ISP800.
Airfone (in plane service) and some hotels do charge access
fees when you dial an 800 number.

ISP800 Prices:

    Regular service:   $19.95
    For all OS/2 Users:   $15.95 ***

*** Anyone who pre-registers for the service by December 30, 1999, will
receive the first year of service for only $11.95 per month. You must be
an
OS/2 user to pre-register at this price. Your pre-registration must be
received by 5:00pm on 12/30/99.

Additional email accounts are $3.95 per month. Limit is four additional
email accounts.

Please note: There is no direct USENET newsgroup access at this time. If

enough OS/2 users subscribe and there is sufficient interest, ISP800
will
add newsgroup access for OS/2 users. Deja (dejanews) and other web-based

newsgroup services may be used in lieu of standard USENET.

For additional information, and to signup for ISP800, please visit
http://isp800.com/os2. In particular, see the price page and the FAQ
page.
For additional information send an email to os2isp@innoval.com.

---------------------

The OS/2 Community should sit up and take notice and support
this new enterprise!

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City (http://warpcity.com)
"Y2K Special Discount Memberships Close 12/15!)

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From: dave@daveanderson.com                             11-Dec-99 02:13:09
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 23:09:10
Subj: Re: Netscape vs. Opera

From: dave@daveanderson.com (Dave Anderson)

In <MPG.12bb1223ce82eb82989694@news.sover.net>, pchapin@sover.net (Peter
Chapin) writes:
>I visited Opera's web page recently (http://www.opera.com/) to check 
>this browser out. I had heard good things about it from a friend of 
>mine. (I notice that they are working on a native OS/2 version... good) 
>However, it seemed apparent from their page that Opera does not support 
>cascaded style sheets. Considering that all the physical layout tags in 
>HTML v3.2 are now officially depreciated in preference to style sheets, 
>I'd say that was a pretty significant thing that Opera does not 
>implement. In fact, I'm thinking about reworking my personal web site to 
>take advantage of style sheets (I just read about them recently and they 
>seem way cool) and the lack of style sheet support in Opera caused me to 
>decide not to even bother downloading it.


You must have misread the web site -- Opera v3.6 supports just about all of
CSS1 (its support is said to be better than that of any other browser, 
IIRC).  It doesn't yet support CSS2.

        Dave


-- 
Dave Anderson (dave@daveanderson.com)

Software engineer seeking employment in the Greater Boston (Mass.) area.
Experience in operating systems, networks, compilers, client/server, and more.
Interest in databases and hardware design.
Proven ability to learn new environments quickly.




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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             11-Dec-99 02:28:04
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 23:09:10
Subj: Re: IDE ZIP drive was (No subject)

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:00:54, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) 
wrote:
 
> > How about configuring it? What swiches are required on IBM's IDE driver.
 
> The IDE ZIP drive requires that you have the latest update
> for the IDE device drivers installed and that you are using
> Fixpack 6 for Warp 4 or later to obtain the removable device
> support.

Hmmm...I'm using W3 FP 40 and the DANIS IDE driver. Any problems there?

> Device drivers have been moved to their own fixpack
> series so if you install FP 12 you should also install
> the DD01 fixpack.
> 
> You can obtain these through RSU updates or through
> the FTP site ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/
> 
> With the IDE ZIP you just connect it to the IDE cable
> (checking for Slave or Master of course) and if you
> have the device support installed it comes up automatically.
> 
> The base device driver that is required (besides IBM1S506.add)
> is IBMATAPI.FLT
 
> Partition the cartridge and format for FAT or HPFS.

So then is it seen as a HDD, IOW appears in FDISK?

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: pcoen@drew.edu                                    10-Dec-99 22:06:06
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 23:09:10
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite v1.5 released

From: Paul Coen <pcoen@drew.edu>

Bran Everseeking wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:48:59, Philip Wright <pvwrght@attglobal.net>
> wrote:
> 
> |> Indelible Blue lists it at $209.00 and Tech Data (wholesale) has it
> |> at $194.00. I guess the strategy is to make it financially difficult
> |> for us to stay with OS/2. What a shame.
> 

Was that a standard copy? After all, there's also upgrade pricing (probably
not announced yet, as far as I've seen) and educational pricing
(not available to everyone, but generally a good bit cheaper).

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