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From: wsrue@ATTGlobal.net                               03-Dec-99 20:58:09
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: FP 13?

From: "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net>

Unless an emergency Y2K problem just can't wait, I hope we we'll see no
more fixpacks until next year.  Except for emergencies, I wouldn't put
one on anyway.

Should we anticipate any Y2K surprises?

-Walter

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From: phresh@aol.com                                    04-Dec-99 02:16:25
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 05:22:12
Subj: Get Paid While You Surf The Web!!  5413

From: phresh@aol.com

Get paid to surf the web! http://www.alladvantage.com/home.asp?refid=FCJ475


msxbz

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From: os2user@colba.net                                 04-Dec-99 03:05:23
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 10:37:14
Subj: Re: Software Choice

From: Gilbert Lefebvre <os2user@colba.net>

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
> 
> "bernd hohmann" <hohmann@harddiskcafe.de> said:
> 
> >we are trying to subscribe to software choice and we are glad to pay for
> >it but neither ibm germany nor the resellers are able to give us
> >informations. ibm germany is not responding to email, voicecalls or fax
> >and the resellers are waiting for informations from ibm.
> 
> I'm not sure if they handle other than English, but check with Indelible
> Blue.  Last time I looked, their prices were better than IBM's.

I'm in Canada and have heard Indelible Blue was not allowed to sell
software choice out of the USA. This was true a year and a half ago and
don't know if it has changed...

----
Gilbert Lefebvre

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From: smdodger@my-deja.com                              04-Dec-99 14:50:21
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61, Smartsuite won't print to JetDirect attached printer

From: smdodger@my-deja.com

In article <3845B23B.4B51E553@e-mail.com>,
  "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>
wrote:
> After having Netscape 4.61 since it came out, just this week it
suddenly
> stopped being able to print to either of my HP JetDirect EX attached
printers.
> One is a LaserJet II, the other is an Epson Stylus Color 1520.
> Smartsuite apps won't print either. I CAN print from EPM and PMView.
What the
> heck's going on here? The print jobs do appear in the queue, then
disappear
> after a few seconds.
> --
> ----------------------------------

Stephen if you have net it now....on your system get rid of it. You
should be able to do this via the control panel.

Let me know how it turns out.

What version of the smartsuite do you have?

>          Stephen Eickhoff
>           Havertown, PA
> ----------------------------------
>


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From: smdodger@my-deja.com                              04-Dec-99 14:51:28
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61, Smartsuite won't print to JetDirect attached printer

From: smdodger@my-deja.com

In article <3845B23B.4B51E553@e-mail.com>,
  "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>
wrote:
> After having Netscape 4.61 since it came out, just this week it
suddenly
> stopped being able to print to either of my HP JetDirect EX attached
printers.
> One is a LaserJet II, the other is an Epson Stylus Color 1520.
> Smartsuite apps won't print either. I CAN print from EPM and PMView.
What the
> heck's going on here? The print jobs do appear in the queue, then
disappear
> after a few seconds.
> --
> ----------------------------------

Stephen if you have net it now....on your system get rid of it. You
should be able to do this via the control panel.

Let me know how it turns out.

What version of the smartsuite do you have?
Urgh....forget my post about the control panel. ;-) you have os2.
I still need to know the version of the smartsuite though. Did you get
the service pack?

>          Stephen Eickhoff
>           Havertown, PA
> ----------------------------------
>


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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 04-Dec-99 16:36:27
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

Can anyone confirm a bug I've just noticed in WSeB?  Whenever I try to
open the spooler object (OS/2 system, system settings) the WPS hangs,
continual pressing of ctl-esc sometimes allows closing of the spooler,
but I cant seem to find a way to actually make it open and adjust the
settings.....

Any news of a FP1 for WSeB?  It sure needs one.

Craig

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 04-Dec-99 16:34:09
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:

>> If no driver is available, would the source for the print01.sys be
>> around someplace and would it be a -huge- task (ie, expensive) to get
>> a programmer to rewrite it for multiple ports at varying
>> addresses/irq's??
>> 
>The souce for the print01.sys driver and the tools to
>compile it are available at the IBM DDK web site. You
>will have to register but there is no charge for this.
>
>URL http://service.software.ibm.com/ddk/

Thanks for the pointer.


>From a quick look it shouldn't be too difficult
>to modify it to allow different IRQ and/or port 
>addresses.

Okay, well, I can see that we're all going to have to get used to the
'Linux lifestyle' and roll our own stuff from now on (smile).
Possibly not a bad thing if enough folks get down to it.

Next question is that I've been hearing shock and horror stories of
the quality of IBM's VAC V4 (and not real good stuff of V3 either).  I
have a copy of Watcom V11 here someplace, would this do the job using
IBM's source as a base or are you stuck using an IBM compiler if you
want to simply recompile their source?

Cheers,
Craig

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           04-Dec-99 17:39:06
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:36:55, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:

> Can anyone confirm a bug I've just noticed in WSeB?  Whenever I try to
> open the spooler object (OS/2 system, system settings) the WPS hangs,
> continual pressing of ctl-esc sometimes allows closing of the spooler,
> but I cant seem to find a way to actually make it open and adjust the
> settings.....
> 
> Any news of a FP1 for WSeB?  It sure needs one.
> 

RE: The Spooler object

I cannot confirm the bug (I had it open while I write
this and switched from window to window on the
WPS and tab to tab on the spooler object).

Using WSeB SMP on dual Pentium II with
a Matrox G400 and the SDD/2 beta 11 drivers

RE: the WSeB FP 1

Rumours abound, most placing the release of the
first fix pack towards the end of December 1999
(this is one of those abounding rumours :-)
or maybe January 2000 (this software must not 
have any Y2K issues :-)

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           04-Dec-99 17:32:27
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 14:21:16
Subj: Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:34:19, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:

> lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
> 
> >> If no driver is available, would the source for the print01.sys be
> >> around someplace and would it be a -huge- task (ie, expensive) to get
> >> a programmer to rewrite it for multiple ports at varying
> >> addresses/irq's??
> >> 
> >The souce for the print01.sys driver and the tools to
> >compile it are available at the IBM DDK web site. You
> >will have to register but there is no charge for this.
> >
> >URL http://service.software.ibm.com/ddk/
> 
> Thanks for the pointer.
> 
> 
> >From a quick look it shouldn't be too difficult
> >to modify it to allow different IRQ and/or port 
> >addresses.
> 
> Okay, well, I can see that we're all going to have to get used to the
> 'Linux lifestyle' and roll our own stuff from now on (smile).
> Possibly not a bad thing if enough folks get down to it.
> 
> Next question is that I've been hearing shock and horror stories of
> the quality of IBM's VAC V4 (and not real good stuff of V3 either).  I
> have a copy of Watcom V11 here someplace, would this do the job using
> IBM's source as a base or are you stuck using an IBM compiler if you
> want to simply recompile their source?
> 

When the component is one of the 16 bit device drivers the
MSC version 6.0 and MASM from the DDK page are usually
used to compile the code and the linker is part of the DDK
tree as well.

I know some of the package makefiles are set up to use
the Watcom compiler and some from the Toolkit (not
DDK but the Warp Toolkit) use the CSET/2 ++ compiler.
If they use the CSET/2 comiler the VAC ++ can be used
instead if you alter the makefile to link in the VAC++
runtime libs.

The USEDDK.INF file (part of the documentation) has
the compiler requirements for each sample. 

I am using the VAC++ compiler and the MSC 6.0 compiler
here. Where the MASM assembler is used you should
also be able to use ALP (the OS/2 assembler equivalent)
which is also part of the DDK.

"Rolling your own" isn't too bad, although it can be
frustrating when you realize you can no longer point
to "them" as the reason your system just crashed...
(but at least you can fix it :-)

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          04-Dec-99 18:06:05
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:19
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:36:55, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:

> Can anyone confirm a bug I've just noticed in WSeB?  Whenever I try to
> open the spooler object (OS/2 system, system settings) the WPS hangs,
> continual pressing of ctl-esc sometimes allows closing of the spooler,
> but I cant seem to find a way to actually make it open and adjust the
> settings.....

This kind of thing seems to be evidence of a failed or incomplete 
Install, here. I have yet to make WSeB install over an existing 
installation, the way Warp 3 and 4 do very well, and can end up with 
what appears complete but has features that don't work right, like the
Desktop Archiving.

On the other hand, just about every Install to a clean HD carries 
through to completion, doesn't throw any failure or error messages, 
and runs really well afterward. (I need a way to package my existing 
desktop and restore it after a fresh clean install, to save days of 
reinstalling and configuring all my apps and add-ons.)
-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     04-Dec-99 18:30:19
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:19
Subj: Re: FP 13?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:58:18, "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net> 
wrote:

> Unless an emergency Y2K problem just can't wait, I hope we we'll see no
> more fixpacks until next year.  Except for emergencies, I wouldn't put
> one on anyway.

Fix packs are, mostly, for other things. Apparently, the plan is to 
release a fix pack every quarter, and one should be about due at the 
end of December (I wouldn't be surprised if the delayed it by a few 
days).

You are not supposed to install a Fix pack, unless it fixes a specific
problem that you have (I have no idea how you are supposed to figure 
that out, since IBM doesn't really describe the fixes completely, and 
they do seem to slip in a few "undocumented" fixes sometimes, and some
fixes fix multiple problems, which are not always all listed as being 
fixed).
 
> Should we anticipate any Y2K surprises?
> 
> -Walter

YES, you should anticipate a few surprises. Will you actually be 
surprised??? I expect that most people will be very surprised that 
everything still works (as long as the basic steps -> Fix Packs <- 
have been taken to address the problem). I also suspect that many will
be surprised when the year 2000 shows up as the year 100 (an extension
of the year 99 logic), which IS, apparently, an acceptable Y2K 
phenomenon. Even "00" is acceptable, as long as there is no 
possibility of confusing the century in the context where it is used.

Then, there are the applications. MOST will work with no problems, for
MOST people, even if the application is not rated as Y2K compatible. I
suspect that some applications will have a few problems, and even Y2K 
software, which is used in a non-Y2K manner, will have trouble.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     04-Dec-99 18:30:20
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 16:31:19
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61, Smartsuite won't print to JetDirect attached printer

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:45:39, "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to 
reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com> wrote:

> After having Netscape 4.61 since it came out, just this week it suddenly
> stopped being able to print to either of my HP JetDirect EX attached
printers.
> One is a LaserJet II, the other is an Epson Stylus Color 1520.
> Smartsuite apps won't print either. I CAN print from EPM and PMView. What
the
> heck's going on here? The print jobs do appear in the queue, then disappear
> after a few seconds.
> -- 
> ----------------------------------
>          Stephen Eickhoff
>           Havertown, PA
> ----------------------------------

I have seen that trick, but I don't remember what caused it. I think I
may have reinstalled the printer driver to fix it (in your case, both 
drivers).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: platipus1959@my-deja.com                          04-Dec-99 20:25:09
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 19:48:21
Subj: Re: PMMail 2.10 crashes - What's causing them?

From: platipus1959@my-deja.com

In article
<F7nR4oXf0fdd092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net
>,
  raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net wrote:
> Nick Knight <nick@secant.com> wrote:
>
> (schnip)
>
> >Of course, most of the fun in this is
gone, as is the other guy, for all
> >practical purposes.
> >
> >Nick
>
> Now, now, Nick, don't you think it's a
bit early to start
> throwing stones?  That's what they used
to say that about
> you, remember... I believe they're
working on it.
>

Does posting rediculously vague information
make you feel clever?  You don't seem
clever from this angle.  Ooops!  Did I say
that? :)

First, "throwing stones"?  I simply stated
that I miss the competitiveness I felt when
specific others were actively improving
their product.  And they aren't at this
time, AFAICT.  Did you miss that, or was it
simply more convenient to twist it a
little?

I don't recall anyone ever using this tired
old cliche (even when using it correctly)
when referring to me.  So, no, I guess I
don't "remember".  Please refresh my
memory, and resolve the convenient "they"
with a name, please, for my records.

Also, who's working on what?  I'd like to
update my information.  If the stuff I read
here in these very newsgroups was
inaccurate, or I misunderstood it, I think
it important for me to get the straight
skinny.  Don't you?  Please fill me in!

> Btw, for anyone who's interested in

I'm not interested in subscribing to other
products' mailing lists.  I have plenty to
do participating in the
it's-always-been-very-active MR/2 list.  I
normally don't advertise this in
newsgroups, most MR/2 users know how to
find it.  In fact, it's one of the options
available from the MR/2 menu system.  But,
just in case, you can get to the web-based
mailing list subscription manager at:

    http://nick.secant.com/mr2ice.htm

The link to the subscription manager is
easily accessible from the table of
contents at the top of this page.  This is
surely the easiest way to subscribe.  Short
of that, a simple message to
mr2ice.list@secant.com with a subject of
SUBSCRIBE will get you on the list.

List discussions center on the email
client, but the integrated newsreader
(perpetual beta) is also openly discussed.
I recently started a thread on the Win32
prototype I released and this may require a
separate list, eventually, depending on
volume.  We'll see.

There's also the Ask-The-Experts(tm) list
for those that want their questions
answered without the hassle of a full
subscription.  Also available via MR/2 menu
and/or the web page, above.

Pardon me for posting via Dejanews, but my
ISP's newsserver simply refused to cough up
the text for this particular article.  I
keep getting "503 - Program error" from
their newsserver.  Let's see if this works.

Nick Knight
MR/2 ICE Author
MR/2 - Internet Email (and News) Client for
OS/2
http://nick.secant.com/mr2ice.htm


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From: nick@secant.com                                   04-Dec-99 15:56:22
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 19:48:21
Subj: Re: PMMail 2.10 crashes - What's causing them?

From: Nick Knight <nick@secant.com>

In <82btbb$cic$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 12/04/99 
   at 08:25 PM, platipus1959@my-deja.com said:

>Pardon me for posting via Dejanews, but my
>ISP's newsserver simply refused to cough up
>the text for this particular article.  I
>keep getting "503 - Program error" from
>their newsserver.  Let's see if this works.

Ick!  And seeing how ugly the formatting is once posted, I don't think
I'll try this again.  And they chose to replace my real email with their
own.  I think I'll try a different approach next time, even if I have to
hand-edit the headers from another post in the thread.

Nick
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <nick@secant.com>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
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From: operagost@e-mail.com                              04-Dec-99 21:02:18
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 19:48:21
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61, Smartsuite won't print to JetDirect attached printer

From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>

A funny thing happened.. yesterday I tried to print to the printer via another
machine's share (which worked before) and it didn't work! But I could print
from my machine now! All I can figure is that the other machine locked the
print server somehow, even though I'm using TCP/IP and not DLC. I'm going to
try deleting all printers and installing the latest JetAdmin on both.

Doug Bissett wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:45:39, "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to
> reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com> wrote:
> 
> > After having Netscape 4.61 since it came out, just this week it suddenly
> > stopped being able to print to either of my HP JetDirect EX attached
printers.
> > One is a LaserJet II, the other is an Epson Stylus Color 1520.
> > Smartsuite apps won't print either. I CAN print from EPM and PMView. What
the
> > heck's going on here? The print jobs do appear in the queue, then
disappear
> > after a few seconds.
> > --
> > ----------------------------------
> >          Stephen Eickhoff
> >           Havertown, PA
> > ----------------------------------
> 
> I have seen that trick, but I don't remember what caused it. I think I
> may have reinstalled the printer driver to fix it (in your case, both
> drivers).
> 
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

-- 
----------------------------------
         Stephen Eickhoff
          Havertown, PA
----------------------------------

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From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu                     04-Dec-99 21:24:05
  To: All                                               04-Dec-99 19:48:21
Subj: Re: FP 13?

From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu

In article <3848753A.22147635@ATTGlobal.net>,
  "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net> wrote:
> Unless an emergency Y2K problem just can't wait, I hope we we'll see
> no more fixpacks until next year.  Except for emergencies, I wouldn't
> put one on anyway.
>
> Should we anticipate any Y2K surprises?

Whats that expression? Expect the best, but prepare for the worst?

There's always a chance that systems will go down, Y2K related or not.

--
-Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |But on the other hand...|
hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |There's 5 more fingers. |


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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 04-Dec-99 18:49:10
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 03:19:15
Subj: Re: PMMail 2.10 crashes - What's causing them?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

platipus1959@my-deja.com wrote:

>In article
><F7nR4oXf0fdd092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net
>>,
>  raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net wrote:
>> Nick Knight <nick@secant.com> wrote:
>>
>> (schnip)
>>
>> >Of course, most of the fun in this is
>gone, as is the other guy, for all
>> >practical purposes.
>> >
>> >Nick
>>
>> Now, now, Nick, don't you think it's a
>bit early to start
>> throwing stones?  That's what they used
>to say that about
>> you, remember... I believe they're
>working on it.
>>
>
>Does posting rediculously vague information
>make you feel clever?  You don't seem
>clever from this angle.  Ooops!  Did I say
>that? :)
>
>
>First, "throwing stones"?  I simply stated
>that I miss the competitiveness I felt when
>specific others were actively improving
>their product.  And they aren't at this
>time, AFAICT.  Did you miss that, or was it
>simply more convenient to twist it a
>little?

Nick, it was meant as the mildest of rebukes, honestly.  In
any case, to my mind "the other guy" was always PMMail, but
maybe you were referring to PostRoad, but I didn't/don't
want to start any kind of a fuss.

>I don't recall anyone ever using this tired
>old cliche (even when using it correctly)
>when referring to me.  So, no, I guess I
>don't "remember".  Please refresh my
>memory, and resolve the convenient "they"
>with a name, please, for my records.

It doesn't matter, really.  I've always respected you and
the work you've done, and between MR/2 and PMM was always
just a matter of individual preferences.  I've always
appreciated that you've stayed with OS/2, and I know you get
the highest marks from users.

>Also, who's working on what?  I'd like to
>update my information.  If the stuff I read
>here in these very newsgroups was
>inaccurate, or I misunderstood it, I think
>it important for me to get the straight
>skinny.  Don't you?  Please fill me in!

Well, Bob & Icon sold their stuff to Blueprint Software
Works (http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com/) who released
a new version of PMM/2 about a month or two ago.  The jury
is still out, but AFAIK they monitor the PMMail list for
bugs/feature requests with the help of Trevor Smith, of
erstwhile Haligonian repute.

>
>> Btw, for anyone who's interested in
>
>I'm not interested in subscribing to other
>products' mailing lists.  

Again, I'm sorry if I seemed to be suggesting you'd want to,
I really wasn't -- I had meant to post that note earlier to
the original poster, and generally for users of PMM/2.

>I have plenty to
>do participating in the
>it's-always-been-very-active MR/2 list.  I
>normally don't advertise this in
>newsgroups, most MR/2 users know how to
>find it.  In fact, it's one of the options
>available from the MR/2 menu system.  But,
>just in case, you can get to the web-based
>mailing list subscription manager at:
>
>    http://nick.secant.com/mr2ice.htm
>
>The link to the subscription manager is
>easily accessible from the table of
>contents at the top of this page.  This is
>surely the easiest way to subscribe.  Short
>of that, a simple message to
>mr2ice.list@secant.com with a subject of
>SUBSCRIBE will get you on the list.
>
>List discussions center on the email
>client, but the integrated newsreader
>(perpetual beta) is also openly discussed.
>I recently started a thread on the Win32
>prototype I released and this may require a
>separate list, eventually, depending on
>volume.  We'll see.
>
>There's also the Ask-The-Experts(tm) list
>for those that want their questions
>answered without the hassle of a full
>subscription.  Also available via MR/2 menu
>and/or the web page, above.
>
>Pardon me for posting via Dejanews, but my
>ISP's newsserver simply refused to cough up
>the text for this particular article.  I
>keep getting "503 - Program error" from
>their newsserver.  Let's see if this works.

(THe funny format has happened to me when I put hard returns
in the Deja fill-in.)

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 05-Dec-99 09:28:01
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:07
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:

>RE: the WSeB FP 1
>
>Rumours abound, most placing the release of the
>first fix pack towards the end of December 1999
>(this is one of those abounding rumours :-)
>or maybe January 2000 (this software must not 
>have any Y2K issues :-)

Yippee.  Like any new version of any software, I expect bugs, perhaps
even severe ones.  In many ways, I've been pleasantly suprised at how
generally bug free WSeB has been, but, thank goodness something is on
the way.

Craig

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 05-Dec-99 09:25:22
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:07
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

>This kind of thing seems to be evidence of a failed or incomplete 
>Install, here. I have yet to make WSeB install over an existing 
>installation, the way Warp 3 and 4 do very well, and can end up with 
>what appears complete but has features that don't work right, like the
>Desktop Archiving.

Hmm, yes you might be on to something here.  There seems to be a
'lingering' network shared printer for some reason floating about (I
checked with kellergroups prndrv applet).

Goodness knows how to get rid of it though as there is no printer
object associated with it, and the driver is the same as a local
printer so I cant just delete that.

Perhaps the spooler thinks its still there, and when it opens, trys to
open this dud printers settings only to find its not really there and
hanging the system

Warp sure needs a more elegant way of handlnig printers in general.
All these objects tend to get confused and crossed over with each
other.

Craig

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      05-Dec-99 11:03:14
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:07
Subj: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Hi all

...resulted in that some of my programs couldn't see the directories. 
Amongst others: <Z> (mp3/wav text mode player)

Dont ask me why/how/when/by whom :-), this was done, but after a: "
attrib /d/s -a
*" and a "attrib /s +a *" on every drive, <Z> and others were happy 
again.

Cheers
--
Steen

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From: ove.s@gmx.de                                      04-Dec-99 10:47:07
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 10:37:07
Subj: Re: TRAP 0006

From: ove.s@gmx.de (Ove Starckjohann)

HI !
>Does anybody know what TRAP 0006 mean? 

Trap006  Invalid Opcode
Eine ungueltige Instruktion wurde benutzt. Auerdem wurde kein Exeption
Handler
zur Verarbeitung dieser Bedingung installiert.

From: OS/2 Inside Know-how-Datenbank

Bye Ove :-)
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          05-Dec-99 13:29:21
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:02
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:25:45, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:

> >This kind of thing seems to be evidence of a failed or incomplete 
> >Install, here. I have yet to make WSeB install over an existing 
> >installation, the way Warp 3 and 4 do very well, and can end up with 
> >what appears complete but has features that don't work right, like the
> >Desktop Archiving.
> 
> Hmm, yes you might be on to something here.  There seems to be a
> 'lingering' network shared printer for some reason floating about (I
> checked with kellergroups prndrv applet).

What do you see when you open the Printer Drivers window under a 
Printer Object? Can you see the driver there?


> 
> Goodness knows how to get rid of it though as there is no printer
> object associated with it, and the driver is the same as a local
> printer so I cant just delete that.

Delete it, reboot, run CHECKINI /C, then reboot and reinstall your 
printer?

> 
> Perhaps the spooler thinks its still there, and when it opens, trys to
> open this dud printers settings only to find its not really there and
> hanging the system

That doesn't sound familiar, but when the printers are out of whack it
gets crazy.

> 
> Warp sure needs a more elegant way of handlnig printers in general.
> All these objects tend to get confused and crossed over with each
> other.

I actually prefer the way OS/2 does it. Creating a variety of Printer 
Objects containing different settings (a 2-Up printer, for printing 
from Netscape, for instance) but making use of one underlying Printer 
Driver, makes a lot of sense the way I use it. But I'll agree with 
you, that when the Print System gets out of whack you can have a very 
hellish situation. UNIMAINT is supposed to have a good mechanism for 
straightening this out, but I've never had it work well enough to 
prevent a full reinstall.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: bytehead@infinet.com                              05-Dec-99 13:28:12
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:02
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: bytehead@infinet.com (Bryan Price)

In article <jORXtcYCR8l4-pn2-4vTl0pkqqc90@SPHERICALBURN.TAMPABAY.RR.COM>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:
|On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:36:55, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:
|
|> Can anyone confirm a bug I've just noticed in WSeB?  Whenever I try to
|> open the spooler object (OS/2 system, system settings) the WPS hangs,
|> continual pressing of ctl-esc sometimes allows closing of the spooler,
|> but I cant seem to find a way to actually make it open and adjust the
|> settings.....
|
|This kind of thing seems to be evidence of a failed or incomplete 
|Install, here. I have yet to make WSeB install over an existing 
|installation, the way Warp 3 and 4 do very well, and can end up with 
|what appears complete but has features that don't work right, like the
|Desktop Archiving.

My experience has been that you cannot "upgrade" to WSeB.  I tried to upgrade 
a LS 4 server to WSeB.  Even after "removing" 386HPFS from the hard drive 
following IBMs instructions, I was evidently still left with some 
subdirectories that still had 386HPFS control information left on them, 
thereby rendering them unreadable under regular HPFS.  When that means 
everything under IBMLAN, that pretty much means your server is shot! :)

Installing on a freshly formatted hard drive is the only way I'd be doing 
WSeB.  Even if I'm redoing WSeB.

Bryan Price

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From: h.e.scheele@kader.hobby.nl                        05-Dec-99 15:21:01
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:02
Subj: shutdown problem

From: "Henny Scheele" <h.e.scheele@kader.hobby.nl>

Hi,

I have running a system with OS/2 Warp 4 in a network
together with windows, linux and DEC VMS machines.
It works fine, only there is one problem; the system won't
to go shutdown. When i click the shutdown button, there
is some disk access and then nothing happens.
What to do?

Henny Scheele


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From: jim.danvers@mindex.com                            05-Dec-99 10:48:22
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>

Folks...

We're talking Warp v4 (client) right?  I just installed it yesterday on a
machine
@work, and managed to get the minimum (?) FP5 installed on it so that I could
get
netscape communicator (4.61) installed.  I work in an NT environment and am
pretty
familiar with all of the stupid service packs and subsequent hot fixes that
need to
be installed on it from time to time - and typically having the latest is
suggested
(after waiting for others to blow up thier systems first of course).

Question(s):  The install on warp on this machine @work is purely for learning 
/
getting experience with the OS and possibly for implementing it for my own use 
@home
- is there a "need" to have a later fixpack applied other than 5?  Is this
synonymous
with saying that NT1 SP1 is adequate and to just leave it @that?  (NOT!)  Also 
- NT
service packs contain all of the fixes from earlier incarnations - in other
words I
can install an NT box and then just go straight to SP5 if I want to - I don't
have to
apply 2-4 in order first.  Does this hold true with Warp?

Thanks for the info folks....

-=- J.D. -=-

"David T. Johnson" wrote:

> josco wrote:
> >
> > http://www.gt-online.com/~bri/fix.html
> > http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey/
> > (links above document how I came to this web page below)
> >
> > http://www.os2voice.org/ez-reference/fixpak.html I followed the directions
> > for an install off my hard drive, not floppy disks which takes too long
> > while this went quickly.  It was easy. I installed FP11.
> >
> > The fixpack files came from this ftp site.
> >
ftp://service.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/xr_m011/

> >
> > My advice is to be sure to at least run chkdsk prior to the install to be
> > sure not to have any disk errors.  I have my system boot with the HPFS
> > automatically checking my drives.  It seems easier than booting off the
> > floppies and running chkdsk.  You can modify the CONFIG.SYS file line
> > where the cache is installed. You add '+' signs in front of all cached
> > disks i.e. +c+d+e
> >
> > OS/2 Help will give you the correct symantics -- search help for "cache"
> > to see the exact syntax.  "Help cache"
> >
> > After the system is okay and running you can edit and remove the forced
> > chkdsk if that slows down boot time.
>
> I suggest installing fixpack 12 rather than fixpack 11.  Fixpack 11 had
> a problem with HPFS and required downleveling to fixpack 10 HPFS files
> (the fix was on Hobbes.)  I download the floppy files and make the
> floppyies with loaddskf.exe and then install them with the corrective
> service tool from an OS/2 window.  It's a little more trouble to make
> floppies than doing the RSU update but also a little more secure, imo.
>
> >
> > -- joseph
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Rime Saad wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > How do I install fixpack 11 ?  I downloaded the fixpack from the IBM FTP
> > > site, and the file had the extention ".sh".  I do not know how to
> > > install such a file
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > >

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From: nick@secant.com                                   05-Dec-99 16:44:07
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: PMMail 2.10 crashes - What's causing them?

From: nick@secant.com

In article <AiaS4oXf0bkR092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
  raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net wrote:

> Well, Bob & Icon sold their stuff to Blueprint Software
> Works

Exactly.  So, "the other guys" are gone.  I'm used to sparring
with particular programmers through code.  Those programmers
have gone away.  I doubt the challenge will be matched again.
But I shouldn't have had to explain this.

And again, it appears MR/2 handling of large folders has jumped
way ahead of the other guys (practical) capabilities.  And
again, much of the fun in touting this is missing, as are the
other guys.

No, PRM never seemed a challenge to me.  It had a couple of
neat features, but it just didn't seem to ever get my goat.

My ISP's news server (I get my news from PSI net) will not give
me any of your posts at all.  I only have problems with a very
few posts; dunno if it's something to do with att.net or nor.
I'll try and find some similarities.  These "503 - program
error" messages just started, they seem to be new.  Perhaps the
newsserver index is screwed up.  I'll write them.

Nick
MR/2 ICE Author
http://nick.secant.com/mr2ice.htm


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          05-Dec-99 15:13:15
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:28:25, bytehead@infinet.com (Bryan Price) wrote:

> My experience has been that you cannot "upgrade" to WSeB.  I tried to
upgrade 
> a LS 4 server to WSeB.  Even after "removing" 386HPFS from the hard drive 
> following IBMs instructions, I was evidently still left with some 
> subdirectories that still had 386HPFS control information left on them, 
> thereby rendering them unreadable under regular HPFS.  

You mean the utility to detach ACLs didn't work completely? That's 
serious, because the WSeB install searches for and deletes all 386HPFS
stuff right off the bat. The beta, at least, asked if you had a 
previous license and wanted to read the CD or diskettes for it, but 
you have no such politeness with the GA (non-Advanced) version.

> When that means 
> everything under IBMLAN, that pretty much means your server is shot! :)

Amen. That really sounds stupid.

> 
> Installing on a freshly formatted hard drive is the only way I'd be doing 
> WSeB.  Even if I'm redoing WSeB.

Well, I'm hoping that I can figure out how to repeat one install, 
where I merely deleted the files in the \OS2 branch, but left the INIs
to be carried forward. I must have done something more or less than 
that, because the next time I tried it it failed.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: peterpan@mail2.dgraph.com                         05-Dec-99 08:45:25
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: Fujiha <peterpan@mail2.dgraph.com>

Henny Scheele wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have running a system with OS/2 Warp 4 in a network
> together with windows, linux and DEC VMS machines.
> It works fine, only there is one problem; the system won't
> to go shutdown. When i click the shutdown button, there
> is some disk access and then nothing happens.
> What to do?
> 
> Henny Scheele

C-A-D, the 3 finger salute.

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 05-Dec-99 16:24:18
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 14:26:03
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

>> Hmm, yes you might be on to something here.  There seems to be a
>> 'lingering' network shared printer for some reason floating about (I
>> checked with kellergroups prndrv applet).
>
>What do you see when you open the Printer Drivers window under a 
>Printer Object? Can you see the driver there?

Yes, the driver is there as I've got a local printer which uses the
same driver.

To make myself clear, the local printer is a laserjet 3, and the (now
gone) network printer was a laserket 1100.

So it seems like the spooler link for the 1100 is still in the system
and I dont know how to get rid of it.  I've tried a few passes of
checkini but although this cleaned out a heap of junk, the printer
spool was not amoungst them.


>> Goodness knows how to get rid of it though as there is no printer
>> object associated with it, and the driver is the same as a local
>> printer so I cant just delete that.
>
>Delete it, reboot, run CHECKINI /C, then reboot and reinstall your 
>printer?

This might be the only way.  I'll have to delete the current driver,
clean the system, then reinstall it to provide access to my local
printer. 

This type of thing is what I mean when I say that I think OS/2 needs a
more elegant way of achieving good printer admin.


>> Perhaps the spooler thinks its still there, and when it opens, trys to
>> open this dud printers settings only to find its not really there and
>> hanging the system
>
>That doesn't sound familiar, but when the printers are out of whack it
>gets crazy.

Yep.  I've done this type of thing to myself several times over the
years.  In fact,  its a sure bet that when the WPS starts acting
'funky' that an obscure half dead printer object is probably behind it
:)


>> Warp sure needs a more elegant way of handlnig printers in general.
>> All these objects tend to get confused and crossed over with each
>> other.
>
>I actually prefer the way OS/2 does it. Creating a variety of Printer 
>Objects containing different settings (a 2-Up printer, for printing 
>from Netscape, for instance) but making use of one underlying Printer 
>Driver, makes a lot of sense the way I use it. But I'll agree with 
>you, that when the Print System gets out of whack you can have a very 
>hellish situation. UNIMAINT is supposed to have a good mechanism for 
>straightening this out, but I've never had it work well enough to 
>prevent a full reinstall.

I prefer the sentiment, but not really the implementation.  It should
be possible, I would have thought, to have a simple, single place
where printer drivers and spools are kept and can be manipulated (or
deleted).

Cheers,
Craig

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     05-Dec-99 19:56:06
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:03:28, sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo) wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> ....resulted in that some of my programs couldn't see the directories. 
> Amongst others: <Z> (mp3/wav text mode player)
> 
> Dont ask me why/how/when/by whom :-), this was done, but after a: "
> attrib /d/s -a
> *" and a "attrib /s +a *" on every drive, <Z> and others were happy 
> again.
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Steen

That is a problem, caused by FP11. There is (was?) a utility floating 
around that would, temporarily, fix that problem, sorry I don't 
remember what it was called. FP12 seems to have fixed the problem 
properly, but it does leave the altered flag set on any directory 
where it was set by FP11.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: wwilly@one.net                                    05-Dec-99 20:11:26
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-YpbnFsuzNwTr@tcpserver>,
  lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:34:19, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)
wrote:
> > lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
        <<<snip>>>

Large snip, slight change of direction.  I've been
compiling, linking, & executing programs for about 30
years.  But they've been written in IBM S/360/370/390
assembler or other mainframe languages.  I've operated a
mainframe.  I've supported mainframe software.  I know
JCL.  I'm quite comfortable with "heavy tech" details.  I
have VAC++ for OS/2 V3.  I've tried to find a starting
point for learning that package by looking in the
supplied online manuals several times.  I went through
the tutorial.

I'm still lost.

It's bewildering & intimidating.  I can't figure out
where to begin.  I am quite convinced that I already know
all the concepts but the way it's described in that
documentation is all greek to me.  Now, I'm not asking
for free training in Usenet.  I am asking for a pointer
to a good place to start taking what I know about
mainframes & apply it to programming a PC.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               05-Dec-99 20:36:28
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

Sometimes the LAN requester takes a while to shutdown.  Does logging 
out first help?

My computer recently developed that problem even when I'm not logged 
on to a network.  I found that running Henk Kelder's workplace shell 
maintenance program helped, so I figured it was a problem with the 
OS2.INI file or something

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:21:02, "Henny Scheele" 
<h.e.scheele@kader.hobby.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have running a system with OS/2 Warp 4 in a network
> together with windows, linux and DEC VMS machines.
> It works fine, only there is one problem; the system won't
> to go shutdown. When i click the shutdown button, there
> is some disk access and then nothing happens.
> What to do?
> 
> Henny Scheele
> 
> 


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     05-Dec-99 19:56:09
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:48:44, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

> Folks...
>  
> We're talking Warp v4 (client) right?  I just installed it yesterday on a
machine
> @work, and managed to get the minimum (?) FP5 installed on it so that I
could get
> netscape communicator (4.61) installed.  I work in an NT environment and am
pretty
> familiar with all of the stupid service packs and subsequent hot fixes that
need to
> be installed on it from time to time - and typically having the latest is
suggested
> (after waiting for others to blow up thier systems first of course).
>  
> Question(s):  The install on warp on this machine @work is purely for
learning /
> getting experience with the OS and possibly for implementing it for my own
use @home
> - is there a "need" to have a later fixpack applied other than 5?  Is this
synonymous
> with saying that NT1 SP1 is adequate and to just leave it @that?  (NOT!) 
Also - NT
> service packs contain all of the fixes from earlier incarnations - in other
words I
> can install an NT box and then just go straight to SP5 if I want to - I
don't have to
> apply 2-4 in order first.  Does this hold true with Warp?
>  
> Thanks for the info folks....
>  
> -=- J.D. -=-
> 

First, welcome to the world of OS/2.

The OS/2 fix packs are cumulative (the latest, contains all of the 
fixes, which may include going back to a lower level file, in some 
cases) up to FP11, when IBM split out a lot of hardware device drivers
into 
their own fix pack. Not ALL hardware drivers are in the DD FP. You 
should check at the Device driver web site, for the latest drivers for
your devices:
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm

You can get the latest Fix Pack (12, at this time), from:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/
(back up a few directories for different languages, or for warp3), and
you can get the Device Driver Fix Pack (1, at this time), from:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/

This site only keeps certain versions of the fix packs, and you cannot
get them all from there (I think they keep FP5, because that was the 
first Y2K version, the latest, and the latest-1). If you want to try 
some other version, you can get them from HOBBES:
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/

Many people find that there are problems with various fix packs, and 
that one will work better than others, for their specific machine, and
applications. Personally, I found FP9 to be the most stable, but FP12 
is close, as long as you get a fixed version of the PMMerge.DLL file 
(available as PMR00052.ZIP, from HOBBES). I had terrible problems with
FP5 (or was it 6???).

You may, also, want to check out various alternative FP installation 
methods. If you go to the OS/2 SuperSite:
http://www.os2ss.com/
and follow the New User links, you will find a LOT of good information
about OS/2, including different ways to go about installing fix packs.

Finally, the Golden Rule of OS/2 fix packs, is DON'T fix pack it if 
you don't have a problem! Of course Y2K is going to be a "problem" 
shortly.

Other good OS/2 web sites include:
http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm
http://www.leo.org/archiv/software/os2/index_grouped.html
http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7567/software/english/ind
ex.html
http://www.gt-online.com/~bri/
http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
http://ncic.netmag.cz/apps/nase/smartcache_e.html
ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html
http://www.musthave.com/
http://www.pmview.com/
http://www.indelible-blue.com/
http://www.RPFSoftware.com/
http://www.kellergroup.com/
http://www.emtec.com/
http://www.cds-inc.com/

(I have no affiliation with any of them, other than as a user of their
products, or information).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          05-Dec-99 19:49:00
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:24:37, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:

> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:
> 
> >> Hmm, yes you might be on to something here.  There seems to be a
> >> 'lingering' network shared printer for some reason floating about (I
> >> checked with kellergroups prndrv applet).
> >
> >What do you see when you open the Printer Drivers window under a 
> >Printer Object? Can you see the driver there?
> 
> Yes, the driver is there as I've got a local printer which uses the
> same driver.
> 
> To make myself clear, the local printer is a laserjet 3, and the (now
> gone) network printer was a laserket 1100.

I'm still not sure you would be using "the same driver" for both 
printers, unless one or the other doesn't have an actual Printer 
Driver Definition inside the LASERJET.DRV or whatever. I've always got
separately named objects for each in the "Installed printer drivers" 
window at the top, and in the "Default printer driver" window below 
that are any drivers that happen to be installed on the same port 
number.

For instance, I have to install the "IBMPCL5.Lexmark Optra Color 1200"
driver for my Optra Color 40 because there's no PCL driver for the one
I've got. If I also owned the Optra Color 1200, I guess I'd be 
describing my situation the way you are yours.



> 
> So it seems like the spooler link for the 1100 is still in the system
> and I dont know how to get rid of it.  I've tried a few passes of
> checkini but although this cleaned out a heap of junk, the printer
> spool was not amoungst them.

Use UNIMAINT to open OS2SYS.INI and you should see some Application 
entries beginning with PM_SPOOLER... If you're in an adventurous mood 
you might see something there that you want to delete. I usually copy 
a safety backup of my INI files to the root, in case I get things 
really messed up and need to stumble across them to get running again.


> 
> 
> >> Goodness knows how to get rid of it though as there is no printer
> >> object associated with it, and the driver is the same as a local
> >> printer so I cant just delete that.
> >
> >Delete it, reboot, run CHECKINI /C, then reboot and reinstall your 
> >printer?
> 
> This might be the only way.  I'll have to delete the current driver,
> clean the system, then reinstall it to provide access to my local
> printer. 
> 
> This type of thing is what I mean when I say that I think OS/2 needs a
> more elegant way of achieving good printer admin.

Well, I've gotten used to this way, and have worked days to get back 
out of printer/port hell on Win9x when it *automatically* screws 
things up.


> 
> 
> >> Perhaps the spooler thinks its still there, and when it opens, trys to
> >> open this dud printers settings only to find its not really there and
> >> hanging the system
> >
> >That doesn't sound familiar, but when the printers are out of whack it
> >gets crazy.
> 
> Yep.  I've done this type of thing to myself several times over the
> years.  In fact,  its a sure bet that when the WPS starts acting
> 'funky' that an obscure half dead printer object is probably behind it
> :)

I've never had that, as a major cause or symptom. However, if I run 
UNIMAINT and it tells me I've got unrepairable problems with the 
printer system, it usually means I've *also* got major problems 
elsewhere.


> 
> I prefer the sentiment, but not really the implementation.  It should
> be possible, I would have thought, to have a simple, single place
> where printer drivers and spools are kept and can be manipulated (or
> deleted).

Delete all, then reinstall. Direct, and simple to describe, if not as 
quick as it should be.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               05-Dec-99 15:04:21
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Henny Scheele wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have running a system with OS/2 Warp 4 in a network
> together with windows, linux and DEC VMS machines.
> It works fine, only there is one problem; the system won't
> to go shutdown. When i click the shutdown button, there
> is some disk access and then nothing happens.
> What to do?

Before shutting down, go to a command prompt and try:
NET STOP REQUESTER

- Marty

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     05-Dec-99 19:56:07
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:21:02, "Henny Scheele" 
<h.e.scheele@kader.hobby.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have running a system with OS/2 Warp 4 in a network
> together with windows, linux and DEC VMS machines.
> It works fine, only there is one problem; the system won't
> to go shutdown. When i click the shutdown button, there
> is some disk access and then nothing happens.
> What to do?
> 
> Henny Scheele
> 

Are you waiting long enough? I have noticed that shutdown takes 
considerably longer, if the network software is loaded (2 minutes, 
compared to 20 seconds, in a two machine peer network). I think it 
goes through the exercise of shutting down the network, before it 
actually does the shutdown of the system, and shutting down the 
network can take quite a while. 

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: jim.danvers@mindex.com                            05-Dec-99 17:17:23
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>

Doug. Lorne, et all...

Outstanding.  Thanks for the help and info.  The fixpack / device driver fix
packs split
more or lesss clears that one up.  (I was wondering about the "dd" fixes... )

Doug:  What exactly (if ~exactly~ can be defined...) will be "the problem"
with respect to
OS/2?  Are there known issues with it that are going to be more effectual (in
a negative
manner) on an OS/2 platformed box than on an MS based one (any variant of 9x - 
NT)?  Known
issues in a ~positive~ manner?

I'm planning on installing the Star Office app suite on the box tommorow, and
then I would
like to look into a backup solution as well as the box has an adaptec scsi
host controller
on it (its a compaq deskpro 6000).  I have access to an external HP 4mm dat
drive that I
would like to put back into service - I'm tentativly looking at something
called "Back
Again/2000" - should I just leave the box @FP5 if everything works, or should
I take it up
to what appears to be a stable FP9 and then be done with it?  Also (now that I 
think about
it), should I install my apps/ util / etc... s/w ~first~ and then apply FP9,
or doesn't it
matter?  It's a general rule of thumb in the NT world that if you install s/w
~after~
having installed a service pack or hotfix, to reload said SP or hot fix
afterwards (in case
any files got stomped...).

Last but not least - I would lke to be able to get it to talk co-operatively
with the NT
based network that I have @work - this appears to be some form of real devil
worship black
magic.  I have bookmarked some good looking resources to assist me with
this...  I'm
keeping my fingers crossed.  The box isn't half bad now as it is - I am
getting name
resolution when it comes to pinging machines in the domain, and I can even get 
out onto the
internet through the proxy server which is located across the wan (  :)  ) - I 
don't know
if I will be able to use any printers or map any drives on the NT boxes though 
(I haven't
tried yet).  For what its worth - the PC is running as an "Easy Install" mode, 
(vs. the
"Advanced Install").  I know of the following resources for doing this:

Colin's how to connect OS/2 PCs to NT domains page:
http://www.haynes97.freeserve.co.uk/os2tont.htm

RokNroB's Electrons
http://www.flash.net/~roknrob/sea.htm

Setting Up OS/2 Peer-to-Peer Networking & Coexistence of Warp & NT Machines on 
the MITNet
http://www.mit.edu/activities/os2/peer/WARPPEER.HTM

... do you folks know of other resources for reference?  I ~should~ be able to 
do this with
what I have @present, shouldn't I?

Thanks again very much for the assistance!  ;)

-=- J.D. -=-

Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:48:44, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Folks...
> >
> > We're talking Warp v4 (client) right?  I just installed it yesterday on a
machine
> > @work, and managed to get the minimum (?) FP5 installed on it so that I
could get
> > netscape communicator (4.61) installed.  I work in an NT environment and
am pretty
> > familiar with all of the stupid service packs and subsequent hot fixes
that need to
> > be installed on it from time to time - and typically having the latest is
suggested
> > (after waiting for others to blow up thier systems first of course).
> >
> > Question(s):  The install on warp on this machine @work is purely for
learning /
> > getting experience with the OS and possibly for implementing it for my own 
use @home
> > - is there a "need" to have a later fixpack applied other than 5?  Is this 
synonymous
> > with saying that NT1 SP1 is adequate and to just leave it @that?  (NOT!) 
Also - NT
> > service packs contain all of the fixes from earlier incarnations - in
other words I
> > can install an NT box and then just go straight to SP5 if I want to - I
don't have to
> > apply 2-4 in order first.  Does this hold true with Warp?
> >
> > Thanks for the info folks....
> >
> > -=- J.D. -=-
> >
>
> First, welcome to the world of OS/2.
>
> The OS/2 fix packs are cumulative (the latest, contains all of the
> fixes, which may include going back to a lower level file, in some
> cases) up to FP11, when IBM split out a lot of hardware device drivers
> into
> their own fix pack. Not ALL hardware drivers are in the DD FP. You
> should check at the Device driver web site, for the latest drivers for
> your devices:
> http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm
>
> You can get the latest Fix Pack (12, at this time), from:
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/english-us/
> (back up a few directories for different languages, or for warp3), and
> you can get the Device Driver Fix Pack (1, at this time), from:
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/
>
> This site only keeps certain versions of the fix packs, and you cannot
> get them all from there (I think they keep FP5, because that was the
> first Y2K version, the latest, and the latest-1). If you want to try
> some other version, you can get them from HOBBES:
> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/
>
> Many people find that there are problems with various fix packs, and
> that one will work better than others, for their specific machine, and
> applications. Personally, I found FP9 to be the most stable, but FP12
> is close, as long as you get a fixed version of the PMMerge.DLL file
> (available as PMR00052.ZIP, from HOBBES). I had terrible problems with
> FP5 (or was it 6???).
>
> You may, also, want to check out various alternative FP installation
> methods. If you go to the OS/2 SuperSite:
> http://www.os2ss.com/
> and follow the New User links, you will find a LOT of good information
> about OS/2, including different ways to go about installing fix packs.
>
> Finally, the Golden Rule of OS/2 fix packs, is DON'T fix pack it if
> you don't have a problem! Of course Y2K is going to be a "problem"
> shortly.
>
> Other good OS/2 web sites include:
> http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm
> http://www.leo.org/archiv/software/os2/index_grouped.html
> http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7567/software/english/ind
> ex.html
> http://www.gt-online.com/~bri/
> http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
> http://ncic.netmag.cz/apps/nase/smartcache_e.html
> ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/
> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html
> http://www.musthave.com/
> http://www.pmview.com/
> http://www.indelible-blue.com/
> http://www.RPFSoftware.com/
> http://www.kellergroup.com/
> http://www.emtec.com/
> http://www.cds-inc.com/
>
> (I have no affiliation with any of them, other than as a user of their
> products, or information).
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

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From: mckinnis@attglobal.net                            05-Dec-99 21:46:28
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: mckinnis@attglobal.net (Chuck McKinnis)

Visit http://www.os2ss.com/users/mckinnis/ for a discussion of and fix
for the problem.  Even if you go up to FP12, you may still need the 
fix.

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:03:28, sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo) wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> ....resulted in that some of my programs couldn't see the directories. 
> Amongst others: <Z> (mp3/wav text mode player)
> 
> Dont ask me why/how/when/by whom :-), this was done, but after a: "
> attrib /d/s -a
> *" and a "attrib /s +a *" on every drive, <Z> and others were happy 
> again.
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Steen

Chuck McKinnis
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: bytehead@infinet.com                              05-Dec-99 22:47:10
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: bytehead@infinet.com (Bryan Price)

In article <jORXtcYCR8l4-pn2-hdBtSEhkuyo3@SPHERICALBURN.TAMPABAY.RR.COM>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:
|On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:28:25, bytehead@infinet.com (Bryan Price) wrote:
|
|> My experience has been that you cannot "upgrade" to WSeB.  I tried to
upgrade
| 
|> a LS 4 server to WSeB.  Even after "removing" 386HPFS from the hard drive 
|> following IBMs instructions, I was evidently still left with some 
|> subdirectories that still had 386HPFS control information left on them, 
|> thereby rendering them unreadable under regular HPFS.  
|
|You mean the utility to detach ACLs didn't work completely?

Correct.  It removed _some_ of the ACLs, but not all.

| That's 
|serious, because the WSeB install searches for and deletes all 386HPFS
|stuff right off the bat. The beta, at least, asked if you had a 
|previous license and wanted to read the CD or diskettes for it, but 
|you have no such politeness with the GA (non-Advanced) version.

Well, it wasn't that serious for me.  This was the only server I was going to 
try to upgrade if I could help it.  And it was the domain controller.  (Let's 
hear it for backup domain controllers!)  In reality, I only lost about a 
couple of hours of time.  The reinstall of WSeB, and resetting everybody's 
login assignments.  Somehow, I didn't get those across correctly.  I was lucky 

in having a report of (most) everybody's assignments.  Those that were missing 

were easy enough to figure out.

|> When that means 
|> everything under IBMLAN, that pretty much means your server is shot! :)
|
|Amen. That really sounds stupid.
|
|> 
|> Installing on a freshly formatted hard drive is the only way I'd be doing 
|> WSeB.  Even if I'm redoing WSeB.
|
|Well, I'm hoping that I can figure out how to repeat one install, 
|where I merely deleted the files in the \OS2 branch, but left the INIs
|to be carried forward. I must have done something more or less than 
|that, because the next time I tried it it failed.

Good luck!

Bryan Price

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From: retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygon...               05-Dec-99 19:41:27
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

Message sender: retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygone.net

From: "Mike Ruskai" <retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygone.net>

On 05 Dec 99 11:03:28 BST, Steen Bondo wrote:

>Hi all
>
>....resulted in that some of my programs couldn't see the directories. 
>Amongst others: <Z> (mp3/wav text mode player)
>
>Dont ask me why/how/when/by whom :-), this was done, but after a: "
>attrib /d/s -a
>*" and a "attrib /s +a *" on every drive, <Z> and others were happy 
>again.

This is a "problem" introduced by FP11, and removed again by FP12.

The real source of the problem is the programs which don't work with the
archive bit set.  

The attributes of a directory entry (whether a file or another directory)
are stored as bit flags, and bit 4 is what states that the entry is a
directory.  The broken programs aren't checking the bit, but instead
checking to see if the entire byte has a value of 16.


--
 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.


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From: retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygon...               05-Dec-99 19:43:05
  To: All                                               05-Dec-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

Message sender: retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygone.net

From: "Mike Ruskai" <retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygone.net>

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:21:02 +0100, Henny Scheele wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have running a system with OS/2 Warp 4 in a network
>together with windows, linux and DEC VMS machines.
>It works fine, only there is one problem; the system won't
>to go shutdown. When i click the shutdown button, there
>is some disk access and then nothing happens.
>What to do?

Wait.  Shutting down the requestor takes a bit of time.


--
 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.


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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           05-Dec-99 17:42:21
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:48:44, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

<snip>
> 
> Question(s):  The install on warp on this machine @work is purely for
learning /
> getting experience with the OS and possibly for implementing it for my own
use @home
> - is there a "need" to have a later fixpack applied other than 5?  Is this
synonymous
> with saying that NT1 SP1 is adequate and to just leave it @that?  (NOT!) 
Also - NT
> service packs contain all of the fixes from earlier incarnations - in other
words I
> can install an NT box and then just go straight to SP5 if I want to - I
don't have to
> apply 2-4 in order first.  Does this hold true with Warp?
> 

<snip>

Fixpacks with Warp are cumulative, each one has everything
earlier ones have. EXCEPT after FP 10 IBM split the FP
set for the OS into two, One for the OS (which continues
the incrementing number scheme - now up to FP 12).
the second is for device drivers now at DD number 1.

The device driver fixpack series updates the set
of device drivers that were included with the GA 
release of the OS. This includes such things as
the base IDE drivers.

Unlike NT, OS/2 fixpacks only do the base OS. There
are separate fixpack series for MPTS (networking protocols
like the TCP/IP stack and NETBIOS), TCP/IP applications,
File and Print Sharing client, Printer drivers updates are 
normally separate files. 

Individual device drivers are downloadable from the
OS/2 Device Driver Pak website
URL http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/
These are drivers for new devices that are not included
with the base OS, such as USB devices, network cards,
printer drivers, sound cards etc.

Sometines locating the correct FP to solve your
problems can be quite daunting. But the separate
FP method allows you to apply updates to the 
piece of the OS that is broken, usually without
breaking something else :-)

A good site for an overview of the OS/2 updates
available is
URL http://www.warpupdates.de/

I have heard some people day (post) that FP 9
is the most stable and others advocate FP 12
(the current latest). Usually people report
problems with all FP levels, the mix of hardware
and software installed on the machine usually
determines if the FP works.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 05-Dec-99 12:40:25
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: PMMail 2.10 crashes - What's causing them?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

nick@secant.com wrote:

>In article <AiaS4oXf0bkR092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>  raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> Well, Bob & Icon sold their stuff to Blueprint Software
>> Works
>
>Exactly.  So, "the other guys" are gone.  I'm used to sparring
>with particular programmers through code.  Those programmers
>have gone away.  I doubt the challenge will be matched again.
>But I shouldn't have had to explain this.

I guess you have to be a little nutty to be a programmer.

>snip 

>My ISP's news server (I get my news from PSI net) will not give
>me any of your posts at all.  I only have problems with a very
>few posts; dunno if it's something to do with att.net or nor.

Maybe it's your newsreader?

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca                06-Dec-99 02:33:13
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Re: How do I install fixpack 11 ?

From: jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca (Jack Troughton)

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:17:47, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

Doug. Lorne, et all...

Outstanding.  Thanks for the help and info.  The fixpack / device driver fix
packs split
more or lesss clears that one up.  (I was wondering about the "dd" fixes... )

Doug:  What exactly (if ~exactly~ can be defined...) will be "the problem"
with respect to
OS/2?  Are there known issues with it that are going to be more effectual (in 
a negative
manner) on an OS/2 platformed box than on an MS based one (any variant of 9x
- NT)?  Known
issues in a ~positive~ manner?

The only problem warp has is a dearth of commercial support.  OTOH, 
there is a pile of excellent freeware available for it.  I'd highly 
recommend you go to hobbes and search on emxrt.zip.  This is the EMX 
runtime.  It's part of the EMX development system, which permits the 
easy porting of unix console apps to warp.  There is an XFree86 server
available as well; all can be found on Hobbes:)

I'm planning on installing the Star Office app suite on the box tommorow, and 
then I would
like to look into a backup solution as well as the box has an adaptec scsi
host controller
on it (its a compaq deskpro 6000).  I have access to an external HP 4mm dat
drive that I
would like to put back into service - I'm tentativly looking at something
called "Back
Again/2000" - should I just leave the box @FP5 if everything works, or should 
I take it up
to what appears to be a stable FP9 and then be done with it?  Also (now that
I think about
it), should I install my apps/ util / etc... s/w ~first~ and then apply FP9,
or doesn't it
matter?  It's a general rule of thumb in the NT world that if you install s/w 
~after~
having installed a service pack or hotfix, to reload said SP or hot fix
afterwards (in case
any files got stomped...).

If you're familiar with unix programs, you might find that gtar and 
gtak can be a great solution when using a scsi-hosted tape drive.  
They will require emx; but that's no big deal, I've been using emx for
years with almost no problems.

You don't have to worry about apps stomping on system files in warp; 
there is a sane seperation between the system and the applications.  
In fact, if you hose the system, and if you keep all your apps on a 
seperate partition, you will be able to get probably ~95% of them 
going again without reinstalling; for ~85% of apps, simply creating a 
new program object on the desktop is enough.  For picky windows ports 
like netscape, you'll usually have to futz two or three files on the 
system partition (netscape.ini, found in the \os2\mdos\winos2, comes 
to mind; you need it if you want win3.x plugins to work properly under
netscape in warp) and some path information.  I have apps that I 
installed on this computer three years ago that have never needed to 
be reinstalled; and not just simple ones either.  For example, you can
get staroffice going after a system reinstall by creating a new 
program object.  Again, it might work more to your liking if you do 
some playing with the path and libpath, but it will work if you simply
drag soffice.exe to the desktop to create a program object.

Last but not least - I would lke to be able to get it to talk co-operatively
with the NT
based network that I have @work - this appears to be some form of real devil
worship black
magic.  I have bookmarked some good looking resources to assist me with
this...  I'm
keeping my fingers crossed.  The box isn't half bad now as it is - I am
getting name
resolution when it comes to pinging machines in the domain, and I can even
get out onto the
internet through the proxy server which is located across the wan (  :)  ) -
I don't know
if I will be able to use any printers or map any drives on the NT boxes
though (I haven't
tried yet).  For what its worth - the PC is running as an "Easy Install"
mode, (vs. the
"Advanced Install").  I know of the following resources for doing this:

Colin's how to connect OS/2 PCs to NT domains page:
http://www.haynes97.freeserve.co.uk/os2tont.htm

RokNroB's Electrons
http://www.flash.net/~roknrob/sea.htm

Setting Up OS/2 Peer-to-Peer Networking & Coexistence of Warp & NT Machines
on the MITNet
http://www.mit.edu/activities/os2/peer/WARPPEER.HTM

.... do you folks know of other resources for reference?  I ~should~ be able
to do this with
what I have @present, shouldn't I?

Yes, in fact, I have it set up at work.  It's not as hard as it 
appears.  The important thing that will save you many headaches is to 
script peer in startup.cmd.  If a file called startup.cmd is found in 
the root directory of the boot drive, it will be run before the 
desktop starts.  I use it on the box at work to run a bunch of "net 
use" commands to hook up to the printer and the shared drives that I 
need at work.  Here's an example...

net use \\server\sharename j:

to map to drive j.

Check out the net commands in the OS/2 Warp command reference!

Also, I'd like to point out that the way that networking is set up in 
warp means that you can configure the box to just boot to a command 
line and still have full networking services available to you; this is
a great aid in making a server stable for the really long term.

Welcome to warp, enjoy the trip!

<snip some good stuff>

Ease!

Jack Troughton   ICQ:7494149
http://jakesplace.dhs.org
jack.troughton at videotron.ca
jake at jakesplace.dhs.org
Montral PQ Canada

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From: chintat@pc.jaring.my                              06-Dec-99 10:28:16
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:14
Subj: Trackball Mouse disappeared in OS/2 warp 3

From: "Martinez" <chintat@pc.jaring.my>

Hi,

My user did an abnormal shutdown due to the computer screen go blank. It was
later discovered that the VGA card was the problem for the screen to go
blank. However when he restart the computer, the trackball mouse pointer
disappeared! we swap a to a different keyboard but the problem remain. (Our
trackball mouse is mounted on the keyboard)

Any help to this problem is very much appreciated.

TQ

Martinez


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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  06-Dec-99 03:37:15
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Software Choice

From: The AntiGates <zeppelin@gte.net>

I am a SC member, and being so pretty much represents the only IBM
"sponsored" future for OS/2, I heartily recommend it.  In addition to
getting every update to Netscape and Java in 59 different languages, you
get a second CD with every distribution with such goodies as  TCP-IP 4.1
which is only available on a fee pay basis otherwise.

Plus whenever IBM pulls another "groanhead" maneuver with OS/2, youget
to complain directly to IBM, and unlike the rest of the world, they will
respond directly to you as a "premium service" subscribor.

It doesn't mean squat in terms of influencing their decisions, cause no
one with any intelligence can do that, but it is a small consolation to
know that the particular lie in you e-mail box has been personally
crafted just for you,.

Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> 
> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > John Brock wrote:
> >
> > > In article <38466B94.389536E1@canoemail.com>,
> > > James Stotz  <jstotz@canoemail.com> wrote:
> > > >I know that Software Choice will become a pay for use for all new
> > > >updates and applications, but is IBM going to keep current versions of
> > > >Netscape/2 and Java avaliable for free.  If not, new OS/2 buyers will
> > > >not be able to get any Netscape without forking out more money.  Also,
> > > >We'd all better download everything and save it in a safe place.
> 
> Software choice has always been for complete packages and not fixes (or
> fixes which in effect upgrade a package to a newer version).  Fixes are
> free if you can find them,  However, if a fix results in a newer version
> then you cannot buy the new version unless you are part of software
> choice.  Examples, newer version of tcpip for warp server, PSNS for warp
> server and so on.
> 
> I am not sure they can get away with charging either for Java or
> Netscape, remains to be seen.
> 
> From a business point of view it does make sence for IBM to know what is
> the subscription rate as the income generated may indicate interest in
> os/2.  From this end, I have to buy licences for my OS/2 server(s), it
> would make business sence for us too.  However, buying licences for
> clients can be an expensive recurrent cost (I guess financial
> institutions can be happy to pay it and may even negotiate better
> prices).
> 
> Charles
> 
> --
> Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
> Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
> Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
> http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
> Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
> too)

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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  06-Dec-99 03:37:25
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Software Choice

From: The AntiGates <zeppelin@gte.net>

I am a SC member, and being so pretty much represents the only IBM
"sponsored" future for OS/2, I heartily recommend it.  In addition to
getting every update to Netscape and Java in 59 different languages, you
get a second CD with every distribution with such goodies as  TCP-IP 4.1
which is only available on a fee pay basis otherwise.

Plus whenever IBM pulls another "groanhead" maneuver with OS/2, youget
to complain directly to IBM, and unlike the rest of the world, they will
respond directly to you as a "premium service" subscribor.

It doesn't mean squat in terms of influencing their decisions, cause no
one with any intelligence can do that, but it is a small consolation to
know that the particular lie in you e-mail box has been personally
crafted just for you,.

Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> 
> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > John Brock wrote:
> >
> > > In article <38466B94.389536E1@canoemail.com>,
> > > James Stotz  <jstotz@canoemail.com> wrote:
> > > >I know that Software Choice will become a pay for use for all new
> > > >updates and applications, but is IBM going to keep current versions of
> > > >Netscape/2 and Java avaliable for free.  If not, new OS/2 buyers will
> > > >not be able to get any Netscape without forking out more money.  Also,
> > > >We'd all better download everything and save it in a safe place.
> 
> Software choice has always been for complete packages and not fixes (or
> fixes which in effect upgrade a package to a newer version).  Fixes are
> free if you can find them,  However, if a fix results in a newer version
> then you cannot buy the new version unless you are part of software
> choice.  Examples, newer version of tcpip for warp server, PSNS for warp
> server and so on.
> 
> I am not sure they can get away with charging either for Java or
> Netscape, remains to be seen.
> 
> From a business point of view it does make sence for IBM to know what is
> the subscription rate as the income generated may indicate interest in
> os/2.  From this end, I have to buy licences for my OS/2 server(s), it
> would make business sence for us too.  However, buying licences for
> clients can be an expensive recurrent cost (I guess financial
> institutions can be happy to pay it and may even negotiate better
> prices).
> 
> Charles
> 
> --
> Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
> Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
> Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
> http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
> Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
> too)

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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  06-Dec-99 03:38:05
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 03:38:15
Subj: Re: Software Choice

From: The AntiGates <zeppelin@gte.net>

I am a SC member, and being so pretty much represents the only IBM
"sponsored" future for OS/2, I heartily recommend it.  In addition to
getting every update to Netscape and Java in 59 different languages, you
get a second CD with every distribution with such goodies as  TCP-IP 4.1
which is only available on a fee pay basis otherwise.

Plus whenever IBM pulls another "groanhead" maneuver with OS/2, youget
to complain directly to IBM, and unlike the rest of the world, they will
respond directly to you as a "premium service" subscribor.

It doesn't mean squat in terms of influencing their decisions, cause no
one with any intelligence can do that, but it is a small consolation to
know that the particular lie in you e-mail box has been personally
crafted just for you,.

Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> 
> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > John Brock wrote:
> >
> > > In article <38466B94.389536E1@canoemail.com>,
> > > James Stotz  <jstotz@canoemail.com> wrote:
> > > >I know that Software Choice will become a pay for use for all new
> > > >updates and applications, but is IBM going to keep current versions of
> > > >Netscape/2 and Java avaliable for free.  If not, new OS/2 buyers will
> > > >not be able to get any Netscape without forking out more money.  Also,
> > > >We'd all better download everything and save it in a safe place.
> 
> Software choice has always been for complete packages and not fixes (or
> fixes which in effect upgrade a package to a newer version).  Fixes are
> free if you can find them,  However, if a fix results in a newer version
> then you cannot buy the new version unless you are part of software
> choice.  Examples, newer version of tcpip for warp server, PSNS for warp
> server and so on.
> 
> I am not sure they can get away with charging either for Java or
> Netscape, remains to be seen.
> 
> From a business point of view it does make sence for IBM to know what is
> the subscription rate as the income generated may indicate interest in
> os/2.  From this end, I have to buy licences for my OS/2 server(s), it
> would make business sence for us too.  However, buying licences for
> clients can be an expensive recurrent cost (I guess financial
> institutions can be happy to pay it and may even negotiate better
> prices).
> 
> Charles
> 
> --
> Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
> Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
> Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
> http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
> Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
> too)

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      06-Dec-99 07:10:00
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:24
Subj: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

* Reply to a message in in_box.

Mike Ruskai wrote in a message to Steen Bondo:

MR> The real source of the problem is the programs which don't work 
MR> with
MR> the archive bit set.

Exactly - but that should be OK now, after my little <attrib> fix :-)

MR> bit, but instead checking to see if the entire byte has a value of
MR> 16.

OK - thanks.!
--
Steen

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From: cwr@cts.com                                       06-Dec-99 07:53:26
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 05:15:24
Subj: Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
: In article <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-YpbnFsuzNwTr@tcpserver>,
:   lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
:> On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:34:19, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)
: wrote:
:> > lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
:         <<<snip>>>

: Large snip, slight change of direction.  I've been
: compiling, linking, & executing programs for about 30
: years.  But they've been written in IBM S/360/370/390
: assembler or other mainframe languages.  I've operated a
: mainframe.  I've supported mainframe software.  I know
: JCL.  I'm quite comfortable with "heavy tech" details.  I
: have VAC++ for OS/2 V3.  I've tried to find a starting
: point for learning that package by looking in the
: supplied online manuals several times.  I went through
: the tutorial.

: I'm still lost.

: It's bewildering & intimidating.  I can't figure out
: where to begin.  I am quite convinced that I already know
: all the concepts but the way it's described in that
: documentation is all greek to me.  Now, I'm not asking
: for free training in Usenet.  I am asking for a pointer
: to a good place to start taking what I know about
: mainframes & apply it to programming a PC.

It depends on what you are trying to do.  If you're trying
to learn WorkFrame, it's pretty intuitive once you've used
OS/2s WPS for a bit.  Just click on things, and see what
happens.  The underlying technology is makefiles, so you
can edit them directly, then double-click them to compile
(rather than have OS/2 do it all for you).

If, however, you're trying to learn C++ and Visual Builder
then the learning curve is very steep - not least because
you'll have to learn PM and IBM's Open Class Library at
the same time.

I've done quite a bit of PM programming in C, and OS/2 and
VAC++ 3.0 is a magic environment to work in; extremely
powerful and flexible and easy to use.  However, while you
can learn C from books I think that the only way to learn C++
is to take a class on it; that's what I did, but the language
changed faster than I could learn it.  Now it's settled down
I'll try again. (However, VAC++ 3.0 isn't up to the current
C++ standard, and 4.0 is by all accounts a pig).

As far as Visual Builder is concerned, I'd duck it until you're
happy with ordinary C++ and OCL programming.  I've alway found
that shortcuts take longer in the end.


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com



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From: radu_trm@yahoo.com                                06-Dec-99 12:26:20
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:23
Subj: Re: Software Choice

From: radu <radu_trm@yahoo.com>

That was true about two months ago. (I'm from Romania, and the problem was not
<Romania>, but selling outside USA - that's because of a clause in the
contract
with IBM)

Gilbert Lefebvre wrote:

> I'm in Canada and have heard Indelible Blue was not allowed to sell
> software choice out of the USA. This was true a year and a half ago and
> don't know if it has changed...
>
> ----
> Gilbert Lefebvre

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From: nick@secant.com                                   06-Dec-99 12:39:00
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: PMMail 2.10 crashes - What's causing them?

From: nick@secant.com

In article <jOqS4oXf0fdL092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
  raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net wrote:

> >My ISP's news server (I get my news from PSI net) will not
give
> >me any of your posts at all.  I only have problems with a
very
> >few posts; dunno if it's something to do with att.net or
nor.
>
> Maybe it's your newsreader?

I guess I should have predicted that response from you.  Should
I take the time to explain that I would have explored that
possibility first?  That, before I went to Dejanews to respond,
I might try two versions of Netscape (OS/2 and NT) and even
telnetting to my ISP's newsserver?

Nah, it's not my newsreader.  Perhaps it's yours?

Nick


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 06-Dec-99 11:54:25
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 11:08:24
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

>> To make myself clear, the local printer is a laserjet 3, and the (now
>> gone) network printer was a laserket 1100.
>
>I'm still not sure you would be using "the same driver" for both 
>printers, unless one or the other doesn't have an actual Printer 
>Driver Definition inside the LASERJET.DRV or whatever. I've always got
>separately named objects for each in the "Installed printer drivers" 
>window at the top, and in the "Default printer driver" window below 
>that are any drivers that happen to be installed on the same port 
>number.

Yes of course you are right.  Even though the different printers use
the same base universal 'driver' there should be a different
'descriptor' in the printer objects dialog box.

This is not the case here though, so it does seem like the driver for
the 1100 has been deleted (leaving the base universal bit behind for
the LJ3), but somehow the spool still thinks its there.  Potentially
serious I'd guess so I better delete the whole thing, clean the system
and reinstall the printer support I need.


>> This type of thing is what I mean when I say that I think OS/2 needs a
>> more elegant way of achieving good printer admin.
>
>Well, I've gotten used to this way, and have worked days to get back 
>out of printer/port hell on Win9x when it *automatically* screws 
>things up.

Oh ya I know what your saying here.  I recently had to put an explicit
net /delete into a windows 95 startup script to stop it defining an
network printer!!  Eeek.


>Delete all, then reinstall. Direct, and simple to describe, if not as 
>quick as it should be.

Yep.  Good advice.  Thanks.

Craig

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          06-Dec-99 13:31:03
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: PMMail 2.10 crashes - What's causing them?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:39:01, nick@secant.com wrote:

> In article <jOqS4oXf0fdL092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>   raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net wrote:
> 
> > >My ISP's news server (I get my news from PSI net) will not
> give
> > >me any of your posts at all.  I only have problems with a
> very
> > >few posts; dunno if it's something to do with att.net or
> nor.
> >
> > Maybe it's your newsreader?
> 
> I guess I should have predicted that response from you.  Should
> I take the time to explain that I would have explored that
> possibility first?  That, before I went to Dejanews to respond,
> I might try two versions of Netscape (OS/2 and NT) and even
> telnetting to my ISP's newsserver?
> 
> Nah, it's not my newsreader.  Perhaps it's yours?

Hm. I'm coming in late but it appears we're showing testiness on both 
sides, here. I'm sticking my nose in because I can appreciate both 
positions, especially after Nick's explanation of his database 
problems which explains perfectly the behaviour that caused me to give
up MR2News. After a lot of grief, evidently as others have had.

I did so sadly, not because the news client was free (with purchase of
Mail) but because I like having a unified mail/news client, I like 
sharing phonebooks, saved files, and filters. And I hope sending in my
v.2 refresher in time for Christmas will give Nick a portion of the 
encouragement he needs to dive back in and perfect it. 

The abandonware ProNews client, which I was disappointed to see Nick 
doesn't mention testing (Netscape's News isn't any kind of paradigm of
news clientology, to my mind) has some wonderful features, and is 
designed very well to my eye, but it also gets into some nasty 
situations (database management?) of its own that can lead to 
destruction of files, and has a filter language that's much less 
useful than Nick's exemplary system for MR2.

But I too have had at least one ISP account which was doing something 
strange to all of my news postings, and which seemed to be getting 
some of them lost from NNTP propagation. I think I see items from both
parties here, regularly, so I can't offer any technical suggestions 
other than, "Pour some oil on the water, y'all."


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: as@sci.fi                                         06-Dec-99 12:23:02
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) writes:

> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:03:28, sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo) wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > ....resulted in that some of my programs couldn't see the directories. 
> > Amongst others: <Z> (mp3/wav text mode player)
> > 
> > Dont ask me why/how/when/by whom :-), this was done, but after a: "
> > attrib /d/s -a
> > *" and a "attrib /s +a *" on every drive, <Z> and others were happy 
> > again.
> 
> That is a problem, caused by FP11. There is (was?) a utility floating 
> around that would, temporarily, fix that problem, sorry I don't 
> remember what it was called. FP12 seems to have fixed the problem 
> properly, but it does leave the altered flag set on any directory 
> where it was set by FP11.

Doesn't anyone else feel that FP11 did the right thing and that this
should've been done years ago? In what people seem to consider good
behavior, the archive bit for a directory is not set even if its EAs
are changed. Which means that directory EAs have to be backed up every
time, even if one is trying to make an incremental backup to save time
and space.

Is there a list of software this affects? All I've seen is Z, so far.

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: chintat@pc.jaring.my                              06-Dec-99 22:47:02
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Trackball Mouse disappeared in OS/2 warp 3

From: "Martinez" <chintat@pc.jaring.my>

Martinez wrote in message <82f793$dhu$2@news5.jaring.my>...
>Hi,
>
>My user did an abnormal shutdown due to the computer screen go blank. It
was
>later discovered that the VGA card was the problem for the screen to go
>blank. However when he restart the computer, the trackball mouse pointer
>disappeared! we swap a to a different keyboard but the problem remain. (Our
>trackball mouse is mounted on the keyboard)
>
>Any help to this problem is very much appreciated.
>
>TQ
>
>Martinez

Error message as below:
The device driver d:\Os\Mdos\Vmouse.sys specified in the device statement on
line 76 of the CONFIG.SYS was not installed. Line 76 is ignore

We are using Track101 keyboard with tracker ball mouse.


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From: chintat@pc.jaring.my                              06-Dec-99 22:48:27
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Trackball Mouse disappeared in OS/2 warp 3

From: "Martinez" <chintat@pc.jaring.my>

Martinez wrote in message <82gid3$pad$1@news4.jaring.my>...
>
>Martinez wrote in message <82f793$dhu$2@news5.jaring.my>...
>>Hi,
>>
>>My user did an abnormal shutdown due to the computer screen go blank. It
>was
>>later discovered that the VGA card was the problem for the screen to go
>>blank. However when he restart the computer, the trackball mouse pointer
>>disappeared! we swap a to a different keyboard but the problem remain.
(Our
>>trackball mouse is mounted on the keyboard)
>>
>>Any help to this problem is very much appreciated.
>>
>>TQ
>>
>>Martinez
>
>Error message as below:
>SYS1201: The device driver d:\Os\Mdos\Vmouse.sys specified in the device
statement on
>line 76 of the CONFIG.SYS was not installed. Line 76 is ignore
>
>We are using Track101 keyboard with tracker ball mouse.
>
>BTW, where can i verify the error message number sys1201?


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From: mixxerdw@eye_eye_echs.com                         06-Dec-99 15:09:14
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 14:17:04
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: mixxerdw@eye_eye_echs.com

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:56:12, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)
wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:03:28, sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo) wrote:
> 
> > attrib /d/s -a
>> That is a problem, caused by FP11. There is (was?) a utility floating 
> around that would, temporarily, fix that problem, sorry I don't 
> remember what it was called.> 
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
Doug, et al:
The FP11 temp fix is DIRFIX.CMD

/*
dirfix.cmd - reset archive attribute on directories
Copyright 1999 by Chuck McKinnis,  Sandia Park, NM (USA)
mckinnis@ibm.net
*/

Trace 'n'

Parse Upper Arg parm
parms = parm

test = Pos('TEST', parm) <> 0

If test Then
   Parse Var parm . 'TEST' parms
   If parms = '' Then
      Parse Var parm parms 'TEST'

If parms = '' Then
   Do
      Say 'Report on and reset directory entries'
      Say '   that have the archive bit set on'
      Say ''
      Say 'Usage - dirfix x: | all [test]'
      Say '   test - just report the findings'
      Return
   End

Call Setup

If parms = 'ALL' Then
   parms = SysDriveMap(, 'LOCAL')
Else
   If Lastpos(':', parms) <> Length(parms) Then
      parms = parms || ':'

tst_attrib = '++***'
chg_attrib = '-****'

if test Then
   chg_attrib = '*****'

Do i = 1 To Words(parms)
   Parse Value SysDriveInfo(Word(parms, i)) With drive free total .
   If free = total | free = '' | free = 0 Then
      Iterate i
   drive = drive || '\'
   rc = SysFileTree(drive, 'dirs.', 'DSO', tst_attrib, chg_attrib)
   If dirs.0 > 0 Then
      Do i = 1 To dirs.0
         Say 'Archive bit set on in' dirs.i
      End
   Else
      Say 'No archive bits found set in directories on' drive
   If \test Then
      Do
         If dirs.0 = 1 Then
            Say dirs.0 'directory cleared on' drive
         Else
            Say dirs.0 'directories cleared on' drive
      End
End
Call Cleanup
Return

Cleanup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If sysfuncs.i <> '' Then
       Call RxFuncDrop(sysfuncs.i)
 End
 Return

Setup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 sysfuncs.1 = 'SysFileTree'
 sysfuncs.2 = 'SysDriveMap'
 sysfuncs.3 = 'SysDriveInfo'
 sysfuncs.0 = 3
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If RxFuncQuery(sysfuncs.i) Then
       Call RxFuncAdd sysfuncs.i, 'RexxUtil', sysfuncs.i
    Else
       sysfuncs.i = ''
 End
 Return

Hope this helps.
=Dwight=
X1=L, X2=L & the domain is phonetic

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From: cwr@cts.com                                       06-Dec-99 16:50:18
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 16:29:24
Subj: Re: sppoler object hangs system in WSeB

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

Mooo <zayne@omen.com.au> wrote:
: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

:>> To make myself clear, the local printer is a laserjet 3, and the (now
:>> gone) network printer was a laserket 1100.
:>
:>I'm still not sure you would be using "the same driver" for both 
:>printers, unless one or the other doesn't have an actual Printer 
:>Driver Definition inside the LASERJET.DRV or whatever. I've always got
:>separately named objects for each in the "Installed printer drivers" 
:>window at the top, and in the "Default printer driver" window below 
:>that are any drivers that happen to be installed on the same port 
:>number.

: Yes of course you are right.  Even though the different printers use
: the same base universal 'driver' there should be a different
: 'descriptor' in the printer objects dialog box.

: This is not the case here though, so it does seem like the driver for
: the 1100 has been deleted (leaving the base universal bit behind for
: the LJ3), but somehow the spool still thinks its there.  Potentially
: serious I'd guess so I better delete the whole thing, clean the system
: and reinstall the printer support I need.

I had a brief, vicious fight with a non-existent printer object a while
back.  I _think_ I got rid of it by booting from a floppy, deleting the
entries in the desktop and spool directories, and then booting and
cleaning out the .ini files.  However, I had to repeat the clean/reboot
cycle several times, and it may be that the thing just got fed up and
left. Worth a shot, anyway.


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com

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From: wwilly@one.net                                    06-Dec-99 18:56:23
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:15
Subj: Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <82fq2g$1bo9$1@thoth.cts.com>,
  Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:
> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
> : In article
<qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-YpbnFsuzNwTr@tcpserver>,
> :   lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
> :> On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:34:19, zayne@omen.com.au
(Mooo)
> : wrote:
> :> > lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
> :         <<<snip>>>
> : Large snip
        <<<snip>>>
> It depends on what you are trying to do.  If you're
trying
> to learn WorkFrame, it's pretty intuitive once
you've used
> OS/2s WPS for a bit.  Just click on things, and see
what
> happens.

OK.  Maybe I'll give it another go.

> The underlying technology is makefiles, so you
> can edit them directly, then double-click them to
compile
> (rather than have OS/2 do it all for you).

Now this is what I'm talking about.  That sentence is
complete greek to me.  I haven't the FAINTEST idea
what you just said.  I've seen the term MAKEFILE
before.  I DON'T GET IT.  I'm looking for a pointer
to a . . . dictionary of terms, if you will . . . a
translation of things like system linklib, load
module libraries, STEPLIB, SYS1.PARMLIB, you know,
MAINFRAME concepts.  A PC is just another computer.
The ideas are here.  They MUST be.  It's still a
machine that manages itself by loading programs from
backing store into processor storage, then executing
instructions one at a time in sequence.  (Let's not
get into pipelines & parallel processors.  Those are
just multiple occurrences of the same sequential
instruction paradigm.)  So where do I learn the
PC-speak for "compile your source into an object
module, pass that along with the linkage editor
control statements to the linkage editor to create a
load module, then submit your JCL with EXEC PGM= & DD
statements to run it."  I'm exaggerating a bit here
what I don't know.  Obviously, I know how to execute
programs on OS/2.  But it's all the other developer
stuff that arrives at an executable that I'm looking
for.  Surely somebody somewhere has written a book
like "PC Software Development for Long-Time Mainframe
Assembler & COBOL Programmers."  Not necessarily in
the context of C++ or any other programming language,
just basics about how things work from a programmer's
perspective on a PC.

> If, however, you're trying to learn C++ and Visual
Builder
> then the learning curve is very steep - not least
because
> you'll have to learn PM and IBM's Open Class
Library at
> the same time.

Yeah.  That has been part of my intimidation.

> I've done quite a bit of PM programming in C, and
OS/2 and
> VAC++ 3.0 is a magic environment to work in;
extremely
> powerful and flexible and easy to use.  However,
while you
> can learn C from books I think that the only way to
learn C++
> is to take a class on it; that's what I did, but
the language
> changed faster than I could learn it.  Now it's
settled down
> I'll try again. (However, VAC++ 3.0 isn't up to the
current
> C++ standard, and 4.0 is by all accounts a pig).

Well, I did take a course in C++ a couple of summers
ago.  Covered the concepts of class & encapsulation &
inheritance.  Didn't get into class libraries.  The
course was taught at a local university & our
platform was some variant of UNIX, BSD something, I
think.  I learned a little about how to use EMACS &
GCC, just enough to compile & run the basic text-mode
homework assignments.  Much of which I'd have to
relearn now.  After the course, I got EMX & found
that I could compile & run all my homework unchanged
on OS/2.  But when it comes to bridging the gap
between those simple text-mode apps & writing real
OS/2 graphical apps with VAC++, it's like I didn't
learn anything relevant.  VAC++ is a whole separate
subject that warrants its own 6-week course.

> As far as Visual Builder is concerned, I'd duck it
until you're
> happy with ordinary C++ and OCL programming.  I've
alway found
> that shortcuts take longer in the end.

Oh, I know there's never any shortcuts.  I'm willing
to take the time.  But I need some place to start.  I
don't know where to begin.  I don't need to be taught
what's a bus, what's RAM, what's a video adapter.  I
don't need to be taught what's a program, what's a
compiler, what's an executable.  I need to learn PC
developer jargon which I am certain will end up being
a 1-for-1 translation of everything I already know
because I am ALREADY a mainframe programmer with LOTS
of experience.  I also need to learn the little
quirky differences in the ways one does on a PC the
things I already know on a mainframe.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               06-Dec-99 22:51:28
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Anssi Saari schrieb:
 
> Doesn't anyone else feel that FP11 did the right thing and that this
> should've been done years ago? In what people seem to consider good
> behavior, the archive bit for a directory is not set even if its EAs
> are changed. Which means that directory EAs have to be backed up every
> time, even if one is trying to make an incremental backup to save time
> and space.
> 
> Is there a list of software this affects? All I've seen is Z, so far.

Postroadmailer has the same problems.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      06-Dec-99 21:19:28
  To: All                                               06-Dec-99 19:57:16
Subj: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Anssi Saari wrote in a message to All:

AS> Is there a list of software this affects? All I've seen is Z, so
AS> far.

I had seen it in one or two more, but don't ask me which now. :-)
--
Steen

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      07-Dec-99 12:57:12
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Netscape 4.61 and screen lockups solution

From: "Khairil Yusof" <mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au>

This was bugging me for quite a while now on why after reloading 
Netscape sometimes, it would not load and the screen would freeze. 
Tried different pmmerge, display drivers etc.

Well.. it's something to do with the way PMMail/PMINews handles DDE 
links. So I disabled use of DDE links in both software and instead 
used netscdde which is part of the XFolder (now X Workplace) package 
and these problems have disappeared.

I'm not sure if it is a bug in NS or in PMMail/PMINews but netscdde 
works fine, I'm happy.


----------------------------------------
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  Homepage : http://hayai.freeshell.org
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From: operagost@e-mail.com                              07-Dec-99 03:15:21
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: sys3175 in laninst.pgm on WSeB

From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>

The base install of e-biz completed on my system, but the network install
failed. I've tried 
several times, usually it's in laninst.pgm after the first reboot, once it was
pmspool.exe. I 
thought maybe it was JetDirect causing it because of the pmspool message, but
that was only 
once. I needed to get this thing on the network, so I installed TCP/IP 4.21,
but obviously I need 
SMB.  This was an upgrade from a Warp 4 client, which had to have Lan Distance
and Peer 
removed first. The really messy part is that it also had HPFS386 running on
it. Yep, a real 
hack! I think that might have something to do with it too. The system is
running using HPFS.IFS 
on my hpfs386 volumes, but I can't get the HPFS386 pack to work, the
HPFS386.IFS won't 
load (says it's not found or not a valid file-- it's definitely there). I
don't have the precpacl or 
backacc utilities anymore to try taking it back to HPFS (thanks to the Peer
uninstall), so that's 
out. What next?
-- 
----------------------------------
         Stephen Eickhoff
          Havertown, PA
----------------------------------

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From: wwilly@one.net                                    07-Dec-99 06:53:09
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:18
Subj: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

For the past 2 or 3 days I have been seeing Usenet
posts on Deja News displaying in a microscopically
small font, can't be more than 2 points high.  My
only recourse has been to hit the magnify button for
my Matrox video driver.  Ctrl+] doesn't have any
effect.  I have not changed any of my font settings
in Communicator in ages.

This is on WARP 4, FP12, DDFP1, Communicator 4.61,
latest Java, MPTS, Peer, etc.  I wanted to find out
if I'm alone before I chase this further.  I'm not
noticing font problems on any other web pages at
other sites so I don't think it's a browser problem,
but I'm open to suggestions.  I want to know if
others are seeing this & eliminate it as a browser
problem before I pursue this with Deja.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    07-Dec-99 07:12:16
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <82iasu$niq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>
wrote:
> For the past 2 or 3 days I have been seeing Usenet
> posts on Deja News displaying in a microscopically
> small font, can't be more than 2 points high.
        <<<snip>>>

Actually, it may even be just 1 point high.  In any
case, after I posted that, I decided to look at the
HTML source of my post after it showed up on Deja
News.  There's a BOATLOAD of unmatched <font></font>
tags in there.  Plus there's a place where I see
<font size="2"> which is INHUMAN!!!!!  I'm going to
complain to Deja.  Still, I would appreciate hearing
from others if they're seeing anything similar.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: anders@metallurgi.kth.se                          07-Dec-99 08:09:14
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: Anders Jakobsson <anders@metallurgi.kth.se>

sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo) writes:

Embelish
Anders


> 
> Anssi Saari wrote in a message to All:
> 
> AS> Is there a list of software this affects? All I've seen is Z, so
> AS> far.
> 
> I had seen it in one or two more, but don't ask me which now. :-)
> --
> Steen

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From: h.hendriks@hhce.nl                                07-Dec-99 09:34:14
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 12:14:19
Subj: Java Runtime + NS 4.61 - solved!!

From: Henk Hendriks <h.hendriks@hhce.nl>

In a previous thread problems were posted with running the java runtime
package with NS 4.61. Well the solution is: different runtime package.

The JRE runtime package appears to be primarily designed for
distribution with Java programs. The java 1.1.8 runtime package
available from IBM's software choice website is the one to use with NS
4.61.

Good luck.

Henk Hendriks
h.hendriks@hhce.nl

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 07-Dec-99 13:17:02
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Mike Ruskai wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:21:02 +0100, Henny Scheele wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have running a system with OS/2 Warp 4 in a network
> >together with windows, linux and DEC VMS machines.
> >It works fine, only there is one problem; the system won't
> >to go shutdown. When i click the shutdown button, there
> >is some disk access and then nothing happens.
> >What to do?
> 
> Wait.  Shutting down the requestor takes a bit of time.
or stop the requester manually. Just open an OS/2 command
window and type:
"net stop requester".

Alternatively you could buy Process Commander which shows a
yellow information bar at shutdown time, which indicates
what the system is doing whilst downshutting.
WatchCat might have the same feature (ProComm is/was based
on WatchCat).

OS/2 Forever !

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          07-Dec-99 14:07:01
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:53:19, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser 
<wwilly@one.net> wrote:

> For the past 2 or 3 days I have been seeing Usenet
> posts on Deja News displaying in a microscopically
> small font, can't be more than 2 points high.  My
> only recourse has been to hit the magnify button for
> my Matrox video driver.  Ctrl+] doesn't have any
> effect.  I have not changed any of my font settings
> in Communicator in ages.
> 
> This is on WARP 4, FP12, DDFP1, Communicator 4.61,
> latest Java, MPTS, Peer, etc.  I wanted to find out
> if I'm alone before I chase this further.  I'm not
> noticing font problems on any other web pages at
> other sites so I don't think it's a browser problem,
> but I'm open to suggestions.  I want to know if
> others are seeing this & eliminate it as a browser
> problem before I pursue this with Deja.

Deja has indeed made some strange HTML changes lately, and I can no 
longer access it directly with SmartCache enabled. What you're seeing 
might be a function of that, but I can't get there to check. Usually 
this means they are using even more invasive advertising methods, 
requiring specific ad banners to actually finish loading on your 
screen before the nitty-gritty is gotten down to. No wonder they have 
to chip away at the font size on the meat of the page?

However, the good news is it's still available through the alternate 
Deja search sites. The one I use (heavily) and recommend is Jeremy 
Nixon's at:

	http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html

and best of all, it brings thing up by default in "classic" deja 
format. (Try his "save this filter" tool, which saves a particular 
search setup as a cookie.)

(There's another search site at: 
http://ezlinux.8m.com/deja_search.html but I seldom use it.)

In fact, at Jeremy's site, if you select "Results Type" as 
"Discussions" the same error panel is returned as if I try to access 
it directly. (I of course despise the term "Discussions" as another 
attempted commercial co-opting of a well-established Internet 
function. However, I couldn't explain the semantics of the term 
"Newsgroups" to a newcomer, either, and had to begrudge that  
"Discussions" might have made a better choice in the beginning.)


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com

	"Maybe, just maybe, the Internet is here to help all of us on the 
planet make 
	better lives, and not at all to Get Rick Quick a few?"

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From: mixxerdw@eye_eye_echs.com                         07-Dec-99 16:05:27
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: mixxerdw@eye_eye_echs.com

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:19:57, sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo) wrote:

> Anssi Saari wrote in a message to All:
> 
> AS> Is there a list of software this affects? All I've seen is Z, so
> AS> far.
> 
> I had seen it in one or two more, but don't ask me which now. :-)
> --
> Steen
Low Tush Dumbsweet, er, I mean Lotus SmartSuite
=Dwight=
X1=L, X2=L & the domain is phonetic

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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     07-Dec-99 16:53:16
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:18
Subj: Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

In <82h0sr$pai$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<wwilly@one.net> writes:
>In article <82fq2g$1bo9$1@thoth.cts.com>,
--snip--
>> The underlying technology is makefiles, so you
>> can edit them directly, then double-click them to
>compile
>> (rather than have OS/2 do it all for you).
>
>Now this is what I'm talking about.  That sentence is
>complete greek to me.  I haven't the FAINTEST idea
>what you just said.  I've seen the term MAKEFILE
>before.  I DON'T GET IT.  I'm looking for a pointer
>to a . . . dictionary of terms, if you will . . . a
>translation of things like system linklib, load
>module libraries, STEPLIB, SYS1.PARMLIB, you know,
>MAINFRAME concepts.

Will,

I can't offer the pointer you're looking for, but I can give you the 
beginnings of a framework for all of it.

First problem is that you're trying to learn how to use...  well,
imagine you've never used a mainframe before, you don't know COBOL, and
you're trying to use a third-party COBOL-based tool to develop CICS
applications.  ANY question you might ask could involve information
related to:

  - Your application - what you _want_ to do.
  - The app builder software, how it installs, what it will do for you 
    and what it won't.
  - COBOL programming, and the mainframe's particular COBOL compiler.
  - Any COBOL subroutine libraries used by the company.
  - The company's database manager (DB/2? Something else), its access 
    routines, the company naming and database organization standards.
  - CICS concepts: getting information from a terminal, 
    accessing "the" database manager.
  - Getting source code compiled: how to invoke the compiler, how to 
    tell it where your source code is, and where it should put the 
    result.
  - _Creating_ your source code: learning The Editor (which one?).
  - The development environment: TSO? somethign else?
  - Oh, and JCL! How could I forget JCL!

I've probably left some areas out, but I think you get the idea -
there's a lot to learn, and many of the answers you get are likely, at
the beginning, to sound like nonsen...  er, assume a lot of knowledge
you don't have yet (;-). (Riiiight! _What's a SYSLIB???)

Okay, a framework.

A bare-bones "C" program for command-line execution (e.g. the console 
version of the traditional "Hello, world" program) starts as an ASCII 
text file. You can use E.EXE or EPM.EXE to create it, and it will have a
file name (e.g. d:\mypgms\hello1.c)

You would then provide this file as input to the C compiler, which would
create an "object file" (same concept as S/370 object code) and it will
also have a name (e.g.  d:\mypgms\hello1.obj).

You provide this object file to a linker (EXE file creator, again, much
like S/370). The linker combines this with the library subroutines 
you've referenced in your code, from a default set of object code 
libraries plus others if you need them to produce the EXE file (e.g. 
d:\mypgms\hello1.exe). The OS/2 linker also wants something called a 
"resource definition file" so the linker knows, for example, if the 
result needs to run in both OS/2 and DOS ("family mode app").

Okay, compilers have comand-line supplied options, stuff like:

     /Sp1 /Ss /Ti /Ft- /C

You _don't_ want to try to remember these (;-), so you set up a .CMD 
file to call the compiler:

   @Rem /Tm to use debugging versions of malloc() etc.                         
   
   icc /Sp1 /Ss /Fl+ /Fa+ /Ti /Ft- /C j:\fd-util\fd-util.c                     
   
   @Rem /pmtype vio                                                            
   
   icc.exe /nologo /B" /debug /st:32768 /nologo /m /l"  /Fefd-util.exe 
            /Fm"fd-util

Okay so far? There are some implicit assumptions here, such as PATH 
including the directory for icc.exe and LIBPATH containing the 
directory for hte compiler's DLLs, and so forth.

Eventually, as you move on in your programming, you find you've built a
program large enough (e.g.  more than 40 lines long (;-)) that you want
to split up, compile each module separately (but only as needed), and
then join into your final EXE.  This is where a "makefile" (term from
UNIX environment) cones in; it's a script file in an arcane "language"
fed to a program called "make" (NMAKE.EXE for VA/C++) which then invokes
the compiler and linker as required.

You _can_ use VA/C++ as a command-line C/C++ development environment...
it's just not the one the documentation concentrates on.  All that GUI
stuff is to help you out when you want to develop GUI-based apps with
features like drag-and-drop, and client-server GUI applications. For 
someone already familiar with programming for (say) OS/2's WPS, it's 
handy... but probably overkill for you. Look in your docs for words like 
"command line" and "console".

There's a _lot_ more to all this, but maybe this is enough to get you
started.  You have my sympathy - I remember what it was like several
deca...  er, "a while back" trying to learn punched cards, JCL, linkage
conventions, OS/370 "system calls", and ASMF syntax and "macros" all at
the same time, not to mention how to brib...  er, encourage the system
operators to get one's program run quickly.

Hope this helps a bit.


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: james.arnold@!!!usa.net                           07-Dec-99 17:24:06
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: james.arnold@!!!usa.net

In <1tGZ16mMk7i4-pn2-xBDgvdPjf873@localhost>, mixxerdw@eye_eye_echs.com
writes:
>On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:19:57, sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo) wrote:
>
>> Anssi Saari wrote in a message to All:
>> 
>> AS> Is there a list of software this affects? All I've seen is Z, so
>> AS> far.
>> 
>> I had seen it in one or two more, but don't ask me which now. :-)
>> --
>> Steen
>Low Tush Dumbsweet, er, I mean Lotus SmartSuite
>=Dwight=
>X1=L, X2=L & the domain is phonetic

        The mail folers are affected in PostRoad Mailer. The folders just
disappear from the folder window, however they are still on the disk.

        Jim

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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     07-Dec-99 17:17:08
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: OS/2 programming 

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

 [ My apologies for the "re-"posting... I left some stuff off, I forgot 
   to add a new Subject: when we went out-of-thread, and forgot to set a
    Followup-To line, now set to comp.os.os2.programmer.misc ]

In <82h0sr$pai$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<wwilly@one.net> writes:
>In article <82fq2g$1bo9$1@thoth.cts.com>,
--snip--
>> The underlying technology is makefiles, so you
>> can edit them directly, then double-click them to
>compile
>> (rather than have OS/2 do it all for you).
>
>Now this is what I'm talking about.  That sentence is
>complete greek to me.  I haven't the FAINTEST idea
>what you just said.  I've seen the term MAKEFILE
>before.  I DON'T GET IT.  I'm looking for a pointer
>to a . . . dictionary of terms, if you will . . . a
>translation of things like system linklib, load
>module libraries, STEPLIB, SYS1.PARMLIB, you know,
>MAINFRAME concepts.

Will,

I can't offer the pointer you're looking for, but I can give you the 
beginnings of a framework for all of it.

First problem is that you're trying to learn how to use...  well,
imagine you've never used a mainframe before, you don't know COBOL, and
you're trying to use a third-party COBOL-based tool to develop CICS
applications.  ANY question you might ask could involve information
related to:

  - Your application - what you _want_ to do.
  - The app builder software, how it installs, what it will do for you 
    and what it won't.
  - COBOL programming, and the mainframe's particular COBOL compiler.
  - Any COBOL subroutine libraries used by the company.
  - The company's database manager (DB/2? Something else), its access 
    routines, the company naming and database organization standards.
  - CICS concepts: getting information from a terminal, 
    accessing "the" database manager.
  - Getting source code compiled: how to invoke the compiler, how to 
    tell it where your source code is, and where it should put the 
    result.
  - _Creating_ your source code: learning The Editor (which one?).
  - The development environment: TSO? somethign else?
  - Oh, and JCL! How could I forget JCL!

I've probably left some areas out, but I think you get the idea -
there's a lot to learn, and many of the answers you get are likely, at
the beginning, to sound like nonsen...  er, assume a lot of knowledge
you don't have yet (;-). (Riiiight! _What's a SYSLIB???)

Okay, a framework.

A bare-bones "C" program for command-line execution (e.g. the console 
version of the traditional "Hello, world" program) starts as an ASCII 
text file. You can use E.EXE or EPM.EXE to create it, and it will have a
file name (e.g. d:\mypgms\hello1.c)

You would then provide this file as input to the C compiler, which would
create an "object file" (same concept as S/370 object code) and it will
also have a name (e.g.  d:\mypgms\hello1.obj).

You provide this object file to a linker (EXE file creator, again, much
like S/370). The linker combines this with the library subroutines 
you've referenced in your code, from a default set of object code 
libraries plus others if you need them to produce the EXE file (e.g. 
d:\mypgms\hello1.exe). The OS/2 linker also wants something called a 
"resource definition file" so the linker knows, for example, if the 
result needs to run in both OS/2 and DOS ("family mode app").

Okay, compilers have comand-line supplied options, stuff like:

     /Sp1 /Ss /Ti /Ft- /C

You _don't_ want to try to remember these (;-), so you set up a .CMD 
file to call the compiler:

   @Rem /Tm to use debugging versions of malloc() etc.                         
   
   icc /Sp1 /Ss /Fl+ /Fa+ /Ti /Ft- /C j:\fd-util\fd-util.c                     
   
   @Rem /pmtype vio                                                            
   
   icc.exe /nologo /B" /debug /st:32768 /nologo /m /l"  /Fefd-util.exe 
            /Fm"fd-util

Okay so far? There are some implicit assumptions here, such as PATH 
including the directory for icc.exe and LIBPATH containing the 
directory for hte compiler's DLLs, and so forth.

Eventually, as you move on in your programming, you find you've built a
program large enough (e.g.  more than 40 lines long (;-)) that you want
to split up, compile each module separately (but only as needed), and
then join into your final EXE.  This is where a "makefile" (term from
UNIX environment) cones in; it's a script file in an arcane "language"
fed to a program called "make" (NMAKE.EXE for VA/C++) which then invokes
the compiler and linker as required.

For S/370 SVCs (Supervisor Calls) and "System Macros", think DLLs 
(Dynamic Link Libraries, a.k.a. executable-code-outside-your-exe).

The C/C++ libraries will let you do file I/O (e.g.  printf()), but when
you get bored with working in a "TTY" window and decide to try out some
of the Presentation Manager features (e.g. windows, fonts, dialog 
boxes), I'll recommend Stefano Maruzzi's "OS/2 2.1 Workplace Shell 
Programming".

And, for a good place to get advice on programming in the OS/2
environment, stop by the comp.os.os2.programmer.* newsgroups.

You _can_ use VA/C++ as a command-line C/C++ development environment...
it's just not the one the documentation concentrates on.  All that GUI
stuff is to help you out when you want to develop GUI-based apps with
features like drag-and-drop, and client-server GUI applications. For 
someone already familiar with programming for (say) OS/2's WPS, it's 
handy... but probably overkill for you. Look in your docs for words like 
"command line" and "console".

There's a _lot_ more to all this, but maybe this is enough to get you
started.  You have my sympathy - I remember what it was like several
deca...  er, "a while back" trying to learn punched cards, JCL, linkage
conventions, OS/370 "system calls", and ASMF syntax and "macros" all at
the same time, not to mention how to brib...  er, encourage the system
operators to get one's program run quickly.

Hope this helps a bit.


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu                     07-Dec-99 16:45:11
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu

In article <82ic0v$obb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net> wrote:

> Actually, it may even be just 1 point high.  In any
> case, after I posted that, I decided to look at the
> HTML source of my post after it showed up on Deja
> News.  There's a BOATLOAD of unmatched <font></font>
> tags in there.  Plus there's a place where I see
> <font size="2"> which is INHUMAN!!!!!  I'm going to
> complain to Deja.  Still, I would appreciate hearing
> from others if they're seeing anything similar.

Nope, not seeing it here.
Comm/2 4.61, FP12, 800x600x16bit

Have you tried turning off dynamic fonts?

--
-Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |But on the other hand...|
hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |There's 5 more fingers. |


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    07-Dec-99 17:37:16
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: sys3175 in laninst.pgm on WSeB

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <384C7B09.44964E4D@e-mail.com>,
  "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)"
<operagost@e-mail.com> wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> usually it's in laninst.pgm
        <<<snip>>>

Oh do please post your solution if you ever get one.
I have posted many times here, going back perhaps 5
years, about problems with SYS3175s in LANINST.PGM
and other parts of that software component trying to
configure Peer.  My problems have been on the client
systems, the non-server, non-eBusiness WARP 4 and,
before that, WARP Connect.  Perhaps you've seen my
posts.  Anyway, I'm watching eagerly for any news you
relay.

WW
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From: wwilly@one.net                                    07-Dec-99 17:42:06
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <82jdj2$gea$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu wrote:
> In article <82ic0v$obb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>
wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> Nope, not seeing it here.
> Comm/2 4.61, FP12, 800x600x16bit

I'm at 1280x1024@24bpp.  But like I say, other sites
besides Deja News are not affected.

> Have you tried turning off dynamic fonts?

Yes.  Made no difference.

Thanks for responding.

WW
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From: wwilly@one.net                                    07-Dec-99 17:42:25
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 16:53:19
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <82jdj2$gea$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu wrote:
> In article <82ic0v$obb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>
wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> Nope, not seeing it here.
> Comm/2 4.61, FP12, 800x600x16bit

I'm at 1280x1024@24bpp.  But like I say, other sites
besides Deja News are not affected.

> Have you tried turning off dynamic fonts?

Yes.  Made no difference.

Thanks for responding.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    08-Dec-99 00:24:16
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 21:27:02
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <384D08D0.AC89D430@please.com>,
  Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>
wrote:
> Mike Ruskai wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:21:02 +0100, Henny Scheele
wrote:
        <<<snip>>>

Being patient, manually doing a LOGOFF & NET STOP
REQUESTER, and relying on WatchCat are all things I
do regularly.  But there are times when the only way
out is WatchCat.  They seem to almost always involve
running 16-bit Real Audio 5.0 (and not necessarily
with any connection to Communicator) & accidentally
stumbling on a stream that doesn't play.  My
suspicion is that the stream is G2, which is not
supported by the older player.  (Sure would be nice
if they'd come out with a player written in Java.)
What I see in the SIO Poor Man's Line Monitor is
there is the usual initial exchange of pleasantries,
then data comes pouring in but I get no sound.  It
becomes impossible to switch focus to the Real Player
& none of the controls operates.  It says it's
playing a 6.5K/sec stream, which I don't believe is a
proper speed, but I'm not sure.  Ctrl+Esc allows me
to terminate the task most of the time, but every so
often it doesn't do it completely or cleanly.  After
that, I see these symptoms, sometimes both of them,
sometimes just one of them:

1. I lose OS/2 sound.  Sounds play about the first
1/10 second's worth then cut off.  Reboot is the only
way to clear it.  Of course this could be a result of
my having the world's worst sound card (Sound Blaster
16) with its companion world's worst driver.

2. I can't reopen Real Audio.  Attempts to run other
Win-OS/2 sessions complain about the audio device
being in use Retry/Ignore/Cancel.  Reboot is the only
cure.

Once this happens, System Shutdown from the Desktop
doesn't work.  I can request it, it prompts for OK,
then I get the prompt about do you want to kill this
Win-OS/2 session Yes/No/Cancel.  Clicking Yes gets a
bunch of disk activity then no shutdown.  Attempt
another shutdown & get only the OK prompt.  Another
shutdown attempt gets the OK prompt AND the Win-OS/2
prompt.  Alternating shutdown attempts do & don't get
the Win-OS/2 prompt.

Ctrl+MB1 on the Task List icon on WARP Center doesn't
show any Win-OS/2 session.  WatchCat doesn't show any
Win-OS/2 session.  So what it is that is hung up is a
complete mystery to me.  The only escape from this
I've found is to use WatchCat to shutdown, then do a
hardware reset just to be safe that it resets the
sound card.

So is this a SB16 problem?  A Win-OS/2 problem?  A
TCP/IP under Win-OS/2 problem?  Could be any of them
or all of them.  One thing's for certain: If you can
get it to ask you if it should shut down, IT SHOULD
SHUT DOWN!  No ifs, ands, or buts.  I don't care
WHAT'S hung up.  If WatchCat can do it, the system
should be able to do it itself.

WW
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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      08-Dec-99 12:08:17
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 21:27:02
Subj: Re: pmmerge  and WPS crashes

From: "Khairil Yusof" <mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au>

On 7 Dec 1999 21:59:18 GMT, Cheng-Yang Tan wrote:

>Note: all the above happens around 10 days of uptime! Has anyone else 
seen
>this? Any possible fixes?

Unfortunately yes to the first and no to the seccond. I thought I 
fixed the problem but unfortunately I think it's a Netscape problem or 
pmmerge. I can reload and restart Netscape as many times as I want 
during the first day, by the second day if I load up Netscape, it's 
very likely that the screen will freeze or there will be a crash in 
pmmerge.dll. This is very annoying, as I need to use Netscape. It's 
the only app that does it, so if I don't use it, my system works great 
for days on end (4 the last time, until I loaded up NS). I hope there 
is a fix, I don't mind NS crashing as much as my system freezing up on 
me. "Crash Protection"??


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    08-Dec-99 00:55:27
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 21:27:02
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article
<jORXtcYCR8l4-pn2-elURMmtukqvi@SPHERICALBURN.TAMPABAY
.RR.COM>,
  donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:53:19, Bill "Wild Willy"
Kredentser
> <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> Deja has indeed made some strange HTML changes
lately, and I can no
> longer access it directly with SmartCache enabled.

I don't have SmartCache.

> What you're seeing
> might be a function of that, but I can't get there
to check. Usually
> this means they are using even more invasive
advertising methods,
> requiring specific ad banners to actually finish
loading on your
> screen before the nitty-gritty is gotten down to.
No wonder they have
> to chip away at the font size on the meat of the
page?

Well, that makes for a pretty theory but I can't say
I notice any change in their pattern of advertising.
which I agree is kinda busy.  Their overall page
format has (1) lots of tables, (2) nested tables at
that, (3) with lots of cells, (4) with the cells
having colored backgrounds.  These design decisions
all cause Communicator to render the pages so slow I
sometimes think I've lost my phone connection.  I
don't think it's such great web site design.  But it
is a "free" service & it is the most complete Usenet
feed I know.  More complete than my own ISP's.  So
I'm not complaining too loud.  Except when it almost
gets so I physically can't read their content.  The
only pages that have the tiny fonts are the posts
themselves; their other pages look the same as they
have for a while.

        <<<snip>>>

Thanks for repsonding, Buddy.

WW
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From: wwilly@one.net                                    07-Dec-99 19:29:22
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <82jl6g$mgb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu wrote:
> In article <82jguq$j0j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>
wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> Hmmm... What are your size-settings for your fonts
in Comm/2? I believe
> this is the base font size used in calculations.
Other than that, I
> don't know what's wrong.
        <<<snip>>>

When I go into Edit -> Preferences, the only fonts
shown in any of the selections are Helvetica 12-point
& Courier 10-point, which is what I set.  This is
confirmed by reading the prefs.js & liprefs.js files.

I have even just upgraded to the new Matrox 2.36.106
driver.  It is at ftp.matrox.com but not in the usual
directory.  Navigate to directory
pub/mga/archive/os2/1999 where you'll find file
os2_236.zip posted November 30.  In the past, the
driver has always been found in directory
pub/mga/millennm/os2/driver (or a similar tree
depending on the specific brand of Matrox card you
have), but the new driver isn't there now.

In any case, even this made no difference.  Most Deja
News pages show up fine.  It's only the pages with
posts on them that are the problem.  Nothing
important........ <:-))

By the way, sorry for the duplicate post earlier.
I'm not sure how I did that, but it was
unintentional.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    07-Dec-99 19:49:19
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: New Fix Tool?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

If you FTP to service.boulder.ibm.com & navigate to
directory ps/products/os2/fixtool/english-us you'll
find file cs_141.exe dated December 6, 1999.  The
most recent release of the Fix Tool was indeed 1.41
but it was released several months ago.  So how come
the file was updated yesterday but the version number
is still the old one?  The accompanying cs_141.txt is
still dated July 1.  I hate when you guys do that
without explaining it.

WW
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From: cwr@cts.com                                       07-Dec-99 20:15:09
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: (1/2) Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
: In article <82fq2g$1bo9$1@thoth.cts.com>,
:   Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:
:> It depends on what you are trying to do.  If you're trying
:> to learn WorkFrame, it's pretty intuitive once you've used
:> OS/2s WPS for a bit.  Just click on things, and see what
:> happens.

: OK.  Maybe I'll give it another go.

:> The underlying technology is makefiles, so you
:> can edit them directly, then double-click them to compile
:> (rather than have OS/2 do it all for you).

: Now this is what I'm talking about.  That sentence is
: complete greek to me.  I haven't the FAINTEST idea
: what you just said.  I've seen the term MAKEFILE
: before.  I DON'T GET IT.  I'm looking for a pointer
: to a . . . dictionary of terms, if you will . . . a
: translation of things like system linklib, load
: module libraries, STEPLIB, SYS1.PARMLIB, you know,
: MAINFRAME concepts.


Well, the VAC++ documentation on makefiles is sparse, but
present - check the 'Tools Reference' INF file, which also
has the resource compiler stuff.  Essentially make is a
program that builds things from other things; you tell it
how to build something, and if the something's predecessors
are older than the something, then the something is rebuilt.
Useful, obviously, for compiling code, but also for several
other odd jobs.  It started in Unix, but can now be found
pretty much everywhere.  WorkFrame builds its own makefiles
(the files which tell the make program what depends on what,
and how to build one sort of thing from another) but I don't
like the results, so I edit my own; makefiles are text,
not binary like some project files.

I've added two things below; a (large) makefile that I use
as a reference when I want to write a new makefile, and a small
C program that put buttons on the screen.  You might try
playing with them for a bit, to see if they clarify things.
Actually it's four files; helpy.h, help.c, helpy.rc (the
program needs a dialog box, which is usually generated via
a resource file, and helpy.mak).  Stick them all in a
directory and add an icon file helpy.ico (any icon file
will do) and type 'make -f helpy.mak' and see what happens.
Then try building a Workframe project pointing at that
directory, and see what Workframe makes of it.

To recompile, just update one of the source files and run
make again. Make will spot the change and rebuild things.
If you're in WorkFrame, you can scroll through the results
in the monitor to see what it actually did.

Since the program was a quick hack, it has a lot of hard-
wired gubbins in it and it won't do anything useful for
you; but you can minimise it, and use the exit button.
It's built with full debugging enabled, so you can tinker
with that as well.  Just for reference, it's a PM program
which uses a dialog box as a main window.

Note that most of the makefile is commented out, and most of
the rest is just there for reference; you could cut it down
to five or ten lines and still have it working the same way.

One nasty trick of make is that it usually requires leading
tabs on its command lines (those lines which don't start at
the left margin).  IBM's make seems to accept any whitespace,
but it's probably better to use tabs anyway.

======== helpy.h

/*
 * Header for helpy.c.
 *
 * Version 0.1 dated 29 November 1999.
 *
 * Written by C W Rose.
 */

#ifndef EXTERN
#define EXTERN extern
#endif

/* Configuration */

/* Standard defines */
#undef FALSE
#undef TRUE
#define FALSE 0
#define TRUE 1
#define FAILED (-1)
#define MAYBE 0
#define OK 1
#define SAME 0

/* Local defines */

/* Resource IDs */
#define ID_ICON  200
#define ID_DLG 201
#define ID_EXIT 202

/* Local window classes */

/* Redefine FIELDOFFSET, as os2.h makes it a SHORT */
#define FOFFSET(type, field) ((ULONG)&(((type *)0)->field))

/* Local structures, typedefs, and enums */

/* Global variables */

/* Global options */

/* Icons */

/* Prototypes */

/*
 * EOF
 */

======== helpy.c

/* Run programs from a PM menu (a dialog box).
 *
 * Version 0.1 of 29 Nov 1999.
 *
 * Written by C W Rose.
 */
#ifndef _lint
static char *Version = "@(#) helpy.c $Revision$ $Date$";
#endif

/* Code control defines */
#undef NDEBUG
#undef TEST			/* test code */
#define HARDCODE		/* hard-code paths for use in WorkFrame */

/* Version include files */
#define INCL_WIN
#define INCL_GPI
#define INCL_PM
#include <os2.h>

#include <assert.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
#include "helpy.h"

/* Local defines */

#define EXEC "D:\\TCPIP\\WEB\\BIN\\EXPLORE.EXE"
#define OPTS "-q -t 8 "
#define ROOT "D:\\UTILS\\PYTHON\\HTML"
#define ADDON "D:\\UTILS\\PYTHON\\ADD-ONS"

/* Local structures, typedefs, and enums */
struct Lookup {		/* HTML page lookup table */
  char *dir;
  char *file;
  char *title;
} lookup[] = {
  { NULL, NULL, NULL },
  { NULL, NULL, NULL },
  { NULL, "ADDONS.HTML", "Add-Ons" },
  { "\\API", "API.HTML", "C/C++ API" },
  { "\\DOC", "DOC.HTML", "Documents" },
  { "\\EXT", "EXT.HTML", "Extensions" },
  { "\\REF", "REF.HTML", "Language" },
  { "\\LIB", "LIB.HTML", "Libraries" },
  { "\\LIB", "MODINDEX.HTML", "Language" },
  { "\\TUT", "TUT.HTML", "Tutorial" }
};

/* Global variables */
char progname[FILENAME_MAX+1];		/* Program name */
int opt_x = FALSE;			/* Debugging flag */
int dbglvl = 0;				/* Debugging level */

HPOINTER hptrIcon;			/* Program icon */
char Executable[FILENAME_MAX+1];	/* Executable path */
char Workdir[FILENAME_MAX+1];		/* Working directory */

/* Prototypes */
MRESULT EXPENTRY DlgProc(HWND, ULONG, MPARAM, MPARAM);
void StartApp(char *, char *, char *, char *);


/*
 * D l g P r o c
 *
 * Dialog procedure.
 *
 * Returns:	Status		Always
 */
MRESULT EXPENTRY DlgProc(HWND hwnd, ULONG msg, MPARAM parm1, MPARAM parm2)
{
  char options[80] = OPTS;
  char workpath[FILENAME_MAX+10];
  int j;
  BOOL rc;
  MRESULT mr;

  switch (msg) {

  case WM_ADJUSTWINDOWPOS:
	/* Params: PSWP pswp, ULONG 0 */
	/* Dialogs can't handle minimisation unassisted.
	** Any control in the lower left corner of the dialog
	** box must be explicitly suppressed and restored.
	*/
	if ((((SWP *)PVOIDFROMMP(parm1))->fl) & SWP_MINIMIZE)
		rc = WinShowWindow(WinWindowFromID(hwnd, ID_EXIT), FALSE);
	else if ((((SWP *)PVOIDFROMMP(parm1))->fl) & SWP_RESTORE)
		rc = WinShowWindow(WinWindowFromID(hwnd, ID_EXIT), TRUE);
	return WinDefDlgProc(hwnd, msg, parm1, parm2);
	/* NOTREACHED */
	break;

  case WM_CLOSE:
	rc = WinPostMsg(hwnd, WM_QUIT, 0, 0);
	break;

  case WM_CONTROL:
	/* Params: USHORT id & USHORT code, HWND handle */
	/* The radiobutton pushes end up here */
	workpath[0] = '\0';
	strncat(workpath, Workdir, sizeof(workpath) - 10);
	if (SHORT2FROMMP(parm1) == BN_CLICKED) {
		j = SHORT1FROMMP(parm1);
		if (j > 1 && j < sizeof(lookup) / sizeof(struct Lookup)) {
			if (j == 2) {
				workpath[0] = '\0';
				strncat(workpath, ADDON, sizeof(workpath));
			}
			else
				strcat(workpath, lookup[j].dir);
			strcat(options, lookup[j].file);
			StartApp(Executable, lookup[j].title, options,
								workpath);
		}
	}
	else
		return WinDefDlgProc(hwnd, msg, parm1, parm2);
	break;

  case WM_COMMAND:
	/* Params: USHORT cmd & USHORT unused, USHORT source & BOOL device */
	if (SHORT1FROMMP(parm1) == ID_EXIT)
		rc = WinPostMsg(hwnd, WM_QUIT, 0, 0);
	else
		return WinDefDlgProc(hwnd, msg, parm1, parm2);
  	break;

  case WM_INITDLG:
	/* Params: */
	mr = WinSendMsg(hwnd, WM_SETICON, (MPARAM)hptrIcon, NULL);
	break;

  default:
	return WinDefDlgProc(hwnd, msg, parm1, parm2);
	/* NOTREACHED */
	break;
  }

  /* say that we've dealt with the message */
  return (MRESULT) FALSE;
}


/*
 * S t a r t A p p
 *
 * Run WebExplorer in a specific directory.
 *
 * Returns:	Nothing		Always
 */
void StartApp(char *program, char *title, char *command, char *workpath)
{
  HAPP happ;
  PROGDETAILS progdetails = { 0 };

  progdetails.Length = sizeof(PROGDETAILS);	/* Length of structure */
  progdetails.progt.progc = PROG_PM;		/* Application Program Type */
  progdetails.progt.fbVisible = SHE_VISIBLE;	/* Visibility Indicator */
  progdetails.pszTitle = title;			/* Program Title */
  progdetails.pszExecutable = program;		/* Executable Path and File  */
  progdetails.pszParameters = command;		/* Command Line Parameters */
  progdetails.pszStartupDir = workpath;		/* Working Directory */
  progdetails.pszIcon = NULL;			/* Program Icon */
  progdetails.pszEnvironment = NULL;		/* Environment String */
  progdetails.swpInitial.x = 0;			/* Initial x Window Position */
  progdetails.swpInitial.y = 0;			/* Initial y Window Position */
  progdetails.swpInitial.cx = 0;		/* Initial cx Window Size */
  progdetails.swpInitial.cy = 0;		/* Initial cy Window Size */
  progdetails.swpInitial.hwndInsertBehind = HWND_TOP;	/* Window Placement */
  progdetails.swpInitial.fl = SWP_SHOW;		/* Initial Window Flags */

  happ = WinStartApp(
		NULLHANDLE,		/* Notification window handle */
		&progdetails,		/* Program Details Structure */
		NULL,			/* Command Line Parameters */
		NULL,			/* Reserved */
		SAF_INSTALLEDCMDLINE	/* Start Application Flags */
		);

  return;
}


/*
 * m a i n
 *
 * Main routine of helpy.c.
 */
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
  HAB hab;
  HMQ hmq;
  HWND hwndDlg;
  QMSG qmsg;
  SWP swp;
  BOOL rc;
  MRESULT mr;


  /* parse arguments */
  Executable[0] = Workdir[0] = 0;
#ifdef HARDCODE
  strncat(Executable, EXEC, sizeof(Executable));
  strncat(Workdir, ROOT, sizeof(Workdir));
#else
  if (argc < 3)
	exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
  strncat(Executable, argv[1], sizeof(Executable));
  strncat(Workdir, argv[2], sizeof(Workdir));
#endif

  /* general initialisation */
  hptrIcon = WinLoadPointer(HWND_DESKTOP, NULLHANDLE, ID_ICON);

  /* initialise the message-passing system */
  hab = WinInitialize(0);
  hmq = WinCreateMsgQueue(hab, 0);

  /* initialise the dialog box */
  hwndDlg = WinDlgBox(
		HWND_DESKTOP,		/* Parent window */
		HWND_DESKTOP,		/* Owner window */
		DlgProc,		/* Dialog procedure */
		(HMODULE) NULL,		/* Dialog resource */
		ID_DLG,			/* Dialog ID */
		NULL			/* Window data pointer */
		);
  /* and add an icon */
  mr = WinSendMsg(hwndDlg, WM_SETICON, (MPARAM) hptrIcon, NULL);

  /* find out where the system would put the dialog box */
  rc = WinQueryTaskSizePos(hab, 0, &swp);
  /* and put it there */
  rc = WinSetWindowPos(
		hwndDlg,
		NULLHANDLE,
		swp.x, swp.y,
		swp.cx, swp.cy,
		SWP_SHOW
		| SWP_MOVE
		| SWP_SIZE
		);

  /* main message loop */
  if (hwndDlg) {
	while (WinGetMsg(hab, &qmsg, NULLHANDLE, 0, 0))
		mr = WinDispatchMsg(hab, &qmsg);
  }

  /* wrap up and quit */
  rc = WinDestroyPointer(hptrIcon);
  rc = WinDestroyWindow(hwndDlg);
  rc = WinDestroyMsgQueue(hmq);
  rc = WinTerminate(hab);

  return 0;
}


/*
 * EOF
 */
  
======== helpy.rc

/*
 * Header for helpy.rc.
 *
 * Version 0.1 dated 11 September 1999.
 *
 * Written by C W Rose.
 */

#include <os2.h>
#include "helpy.h"

ICON ID_ICON helpy.ico

DLGTEMPLATE ID_DLG LOADONCALL MOVEABLE DISCARDABLE
BEGIN
	DIALOG  "Python Help", ID_DLG, 10, 10, 80, 110,
		FS_MOUSEALIGN,
		FCF_SYSMENU | FCF_TITLEBAR | FCF_MINBUTTON | FCF_TASKLIST
	BEGIN
		CTEXT "Press to start:",  1,  5, 95, 60, 12
		RADIOBUTTON "Add-Ons",    2, 10, 85, 60, 12
		RADIOBUTTON "C/C++ API",  3, 10, 75, 60, 12
		RADIOBUTTON "Documents",  4, 10, 65, 60, 12
		RADIOBUTTON "Extensions", 5, 10, 55, 60, 12
		RADIOBUTTON "Language",   6, 10, 45, 60, 12
		RADIOBUTTON "Libraries",  7, 10, 35, 60, 12
		RADIOBUTTON "Modules",    8, 10, 25, 60, 12
		RADIOBUTTON "Tutorial",   9, 10, 15, 60, 12

		PUSHBUTTON "Exit",  ID_EXIT, 10,  2, 60, 12
	END
END

/*
 * EOF
 */

======== helpy.mak

#
# Makefile for project helpy.  Version 1.96 of 9 October 1999.
#
.SUFFIXES:
.SUFFIXES: .c .cpp .def .dll .h .hpp .inf .ipf .hpf .lib .ln .rc .res .sqc
.sql

#
# VAC++ compiler flags.
#
# ICC flags.
#
# /B pass options to linker
# /C+ (or C) perform compile only, no link
# /Fb+ add browser information
# /Fe specify and name output .exe file
# /Fo specify and name output .obj file
# /Ft- suppress generation of template files
# /Fl+ produce a listing file
# /G4 486 processor optimisations
# /Gd+ use dynamic linking
# /Ge- build a .dll file
# /Gf+ floating point optimisations
# /Gh+ add performance analyser hooks
# /Gi+ integer optimisations
# /Gm+ use multithreaded libraries
# /Gs- remove stack probes
# /Le expand macros in listing file
# /Ls add source to listing file
# /Ms set (_System) default calling convention
# /O+ turn on optimisation
# /Pc+ run preprocessor only, retain comments
# /Q+ suppress signon
# /Rn do not use C/C++ runtime environment
# /Sa ANSI language level
# /Ss allow use of double slashes for comments
# /Ti+ generate debugger information
# /Tp process as C++ regardless of extension
# /Tm+ use debugging heap memory allocation
# /Tx+ generate machine state dump on exception
# /Wall generate diagnostics for all error groups
# /W1 diagnose severe errors and errors
# /W2 diagnose severe errors, errors, and warnings
#
# ILINK flags.
#
# /DE prepare for debugging
# /DLL build a dll
# /NOL suppress sign-on
# /NOD ignore default libraries
# /NOE ignore extended dictionary
# /NOI preserve case sensitivity
# /NOO no output on error ### LINK386 only
# /OUT: output file name
# /PM:VIO window-compatible application
# /PM:PM Presentation Manager application
# /ST: stack size, default 32K
#
# The performance analyser requires compilation with /Gh and /Ti,
# and linking with cppopa3.obj and the /DE and /NOE options.
#
# ILIB flags.
#
# -+ remove and replace .obj file
# /NOBA do not back up library
# /Q suppress sign-on
#
# Note that there's no way of suppressing warnings.
#
# RC flags.
#
# -d preprocessor defines
# -i include file path
# -n suppress sign-on
# -r create res file
#
# LINT flags.
#
# -d define a macro
# -i add ';' separated include directories
# -oo(file) generate an LOB file
# -os(file) write stdout to file
# -u check within a unit only
# _lint pre-defined symbol
#
# VAC++ macros
# Always defined
# __OS2__=1
# __IBMC__=300
# __IBMCPP__=0
# _M_I386
# __32BIT__=1
# Sometimes defined
# __ANSI__ ANSI C code, no extensions
# __STDC__=1 compiler is ANSI compliant
# (but IBM doesn't define it unless __ANSI__ is used)
# __EXTENDED__ VAC++ extensions
#

#
# Default suffix rules
#
# Optimised code
#{.}.C.EXE:
#   ICC.EXE /Id:\local\include /Q /O+ /W2 /B" /NOI /nologo" $<

#{.}.C.OBJ:
#   ICC.EXE /C /O+ /Q /W2 $<

# Debugging code
{.}.C.EXE:

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  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:15
Subj: (2/2) Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

   ICC.EXE /Id:\local\include /Q /Ti+ /Tm+ /W2 /B" /De /NOI /nologo" $<

#{.}.C.OBJ:
#   ICC.EXE /C /Q /Ti+ /Tm+ /W2 $<

# Optimised code
#{.}.cpp.exe:
#   ICC.EXE /Ft- /Gm+ /O+ /Q /W2 /B" /NOI /nologo" $<

#{.}.cpp.obj:
#   ICC.EXE /C /Ft- /Gm+ /O+ /Q /W2 $<

# Debugging code
{.}.cpp.exe:
   ICC.EXE /Fb+ /Ft- /Gm+ /Q /Ti+ /Tm+ /W2 /B" /De /NOI /nologo" $<

{.}.cpp.obj:
   ICC.EXE /C /Fb+ /Ft- /Gm+ /Q /Ti+ /Tm+ /W2 $<

# EXTENDED is needed for VAC++ language extensions
{.}.c.ln:
   LINT.CMD -d__EXTENDED__ -u .\$*.c >.\$*.ln

# Global linting, avoiding redirection
#{.}.c.ln:
#   LINT.CMD -os(.\$*.LN) .\$*.c

{.}.cpp.ln:
  LINT.CMD -u .\$*.cpp >.\$*.ln

# MULTI is needed for multithreading apps
{.}.c.lob:
  LINT.CMD -d__MULTI__ -u .\$*.cp -oo >.\$*.ln

{.}.c.prn:
  CLINES.CMD -d__MULTI__ -lmirror .\$*.c -oCON:.\$*.prn

{.}.h.prn:
  CLINES.CMD -d__MULTI__ -lmirror .\$*.h -oCON: >.\$*.prn

{.}.cpp.prn:
  CLINES.CMD -d__MULTI__ -lmirror .\$*.cpp -o.\$*.prn

{.}.hpp.prn:
  CLINES.CMD -d__MULTI__ -lmirror .\$*.hpp -o.\$*.PRN

{.}.c.xrf:
  CXREF.CMD -d__MULTI__ -lmirror .\$*.c -oCON:.\$*.xrf

{.}.sql.c:
  DBPREP TEST $<

#
# Definitions
#
CC = icc.exe
LN = ilink.exe
LB = ilib.exe
RC = rc.exe
CFLAGS	= /Id:\local\include /Q /Ti+ /Tm+ /W2 /B" /De /NOI /nologo"
OBJFLAGS= /C /Q /Ti+ /Tm+ /W2
LFLAGS	= d:\local\lib\ /De /NOI /nologo /PM:PM
LIBFLAGS= /NOBA /Q
RESFLAGS= -n
LNTFLAGS= -d__EXTENDED__
NAME	= /OUT:
#NAME	= -o
LIBS	=
#LIBS	= DB2API.LIB
#LIBS	= CPPOPA3.OBJ
A	= .LIB
#A	= .a
B	= .EXE
#B	=
O	= .OBJ
#O	= .o
S	= \\
#S	= /
P	= .ZIP
#P	= .tar
CP	= COPY
#CP	= cp
DEL	= CMD /C "DEL /N"
#DEL	= rm -f
PKG	= zip.exe
#PKG	= tar cf
REN	= REN
#REN	= mv
MAKEFILE	= HELPY.MAK
#MAKEFILE	= Makefile

#
# Files
#
BINS = HELPY.EXE
DOCS = TEST.DOC
HDRS = TEST.H
LNTS = HELPY.LN
LOBS =
OBJS = TEST.OBJ
PRNS = TEST.PRN
RESS =
SQCS = TEST.SQL
SRCS = TEST.C
XRFS = TEST.XRF

#
# Actions
#
all:	$(BINS)

clean:
	-$(DEL) *.BAK
	-$(DEL) *.DLG
	-$(DEL) *.HIE
	-$(DEL) *$(O)
	-$(DEL) $(RESS)
	-$(DEL) *.PDB
	-$(DEL) *.LOB
	-$(DEL) *.PRN
	-$(DEL) *$(P)
	-$(DEL) *.TRE
	-$(DEL) *.XRF

tidy:
	-$(DEL) $(LNTS)
	-$(DEL) $(BINS)

package: TEST$(P)

#
# Dependencies
#

# Binaries
HELPY.EXE:	HELPY.OBJ HELPY.RES
		$(LN) $(LFLAGS) HELPY.OBJ $(LIBS)
		$(RC) $(RESFLAGS) HELPY.RES HELPY.EXE

HELPY.OBJ:	HELPY.C HELPY.H $(MAKEFILE)

HELPY.RES:	HELPY.RC HELPY.H HELPY.ICO
		$(RC) $(RESFLAGS) -r HELPY.RC

# Lint files
HELPY.LN:	HELPY.C HELPY.H OPTIONS.LNT
		LINT.CMD $(LNTFLAGS) HELPY.C >HELPY.LN

# Libraries
TESTLIB.LIB:	TESTLIB.OBJ
		$(LB) $(LIBFLAGS) TESTLIB.LIB -+TESTLIB.OBJ,,;

# DLLs
TESTDLL.DLL:	TESTDLL.OBJ TESTDLL.DEF
		$(LN) $(LFLAGS) /DLL TESTDLL.OBJ TESTDLL.DEF

TESTDLL.OBJ:	TESTDLL.C
		$(CC) $(OBJFLAGS) /Ge- TESTDLL.C

# Documentation
TEST.INF:	TEST.IPF
		IPFC.EXE -i TEST.IPF

# Package
TEST$(P):	$(SRCS) $(HDRS) $(DOCS)
		$(PKG) TEST$(P) $(SRCS) $(HDRS) $(DOCS)

#
# EOF
#


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     07-Dec-99 18:26:25
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:16
Subj: Re: Arhive bit set on folders....

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:23:05, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:

> Is there a list of software this affects? All I've seen is Z, so far.
>  

Lotus WordPro has a problem with it.

FP12, has left the archive bits on, but the programs don't seem to 
have a problem anymore (perhaps, I haven't tried to save a file to a 
directory with the archive bit turned on).
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The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu                     07-Dec-99 18:55:07
  To: All                                               07-Dec-99 22:22:16
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu

In article <82jguq$j0j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net> wrote:

> I'm at 1280x1024@24bpp.  But like I say, other sites
> besides Deja News are not affected.

Natch...

> > Have you tried turning off dynamic fonts?
>
> Yes.  Made no difference.

Hmmm... What are your size-settings for your fonts in Comm/2? I believe
this is the base font size used in calculations. Other than that, I
don't know what's wrong.

> Thanks for responding.

Hey, no prob! :)

--
-Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |But on the other hand...|
hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |There's 5 more fingers. |


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          08-Dec-99 02:04:20
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:25
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:55:55, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser 
<wwilly@one.net> wrote:

snipt

> These design decisions
> all cause Communicator to render the pages so slow I
> sometimes think I've lost my phone connection.  

One of the very best reasons to run SmartCache. 

Blocking graphics and useless(-to-me-)scripts shortens the time it 
takes to get a page to display. And caching the ones that reside on 
oft-visited sites does the same.

And I'm still amazed at how well this Java program runs, never giving 
any trouble and always doing what it's supposed to do. (In fact, I'm 
just getting started tackling setting it up for my Win9x browsers, 
hoping to put its cache on a FAT32 partition with longnames that can 
be seen by both systems.)


But try that alternate search engine and see if it gets around your 
complaints about Deja's new front end.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: operagost@e-mail.com                              08-Dec-99 04:11:10
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 03:27:26
Subj: Re: sys3175 in laninst.pgm on WSeB

From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>


Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
> 
> In article <384C7B09.44964E4D@e-mail.com>,
>   "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)"
> <operagost@e-mail.com> wrote:
>         <<<snip>>>
> > usually it's in laninst.pgm
>         <<<snip>>>
> 
> Oh do please post your solution if you ever get one.
> I have posted many times here, going back perhaps 5
> years, about problems with SYS3175s in LANINST.PGM
> and other parts of that software component trying to
> configure Peer.  My problems have been on the client
> systems, the non-server, non-eBusiness WARP 4 and,
> before that, WARP Connect.  Perhaps you've seen my
> posts.  Anyway, I'm watching eagerly for any news you
> relay.

With Peer, it always seemed to be because because the path and
libpath were too long. I would back the config.sys up, hack out everything
that wasn't necessary to boot, and then manually plop the
driver statements in if necessary.

But this ain't supposed to happen with this recent a version!
There were two fixpacks before this level to address the issue!
-- 
----------------------------------
         Stephen Eickhoff
          Havertown, PA
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From: peterpan@mail2.dgraph.com                         08-Dec-99 00:26:29
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 05:09:28
Subj: Re: pmmerge  and WPS crashes

From: Fujiha <peterpan@mail2.dgraph.com>

Khairil Yusof wrote:
> 
> On 7 Dec 1999 21:59:18 GMT, Cheng-Yang Tan wrote:
> 
> >Note: all the above happens around 10 days of uptime! Has anyone else
> seen
> >this? Any possible fixes?
> 
> Unfortunately yes to the first and no to the seccond. I thought I
> fixed the problem but unfortunately I think it's a Netscape problem or
> pmmerge. I can reload and restart Netscape as many times as I want
> during the first day, by the second day if I load up Netscape, it's
> very likely that the screen will freeze or there will be a crash in
> pmmerge.dll. This is very annoying, as I need to use Netscape. It's
> the only app that does it, so if I don't use it, my system works great
> for days on end (4 the last time, until I loaded up NS). I hope there
> is a fix, I don't mind NS crashing as much as my system freezing up on
> me. "Crash Protection"??
> 

There is afixed version of pmmerge as the lastes ones had mem leaks
(hobbes?)

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      08-Dec-99 20:49:08
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 10:20:01
Subj: Re: pmmerge  and WPS crashes

From: "Khairil Yusof" <mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au>

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:26:59 -0700, Fujiha wrote:

>There is afixed version of pmmerge as the lastes ones had mem leaks
>(hobbes?)

Had that one ages ago =) That one definitely fixes the memory leaks, 
it doesn't fix the Netscape crashes though. Netscape doesn't crash for 
me, it just loads and freezes the display (system continues working) 
when I try loading it after the system has been on for 1 or more days.



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From: wwilly@one.net                                    08-Dec-99 19:30:06
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: sys3175 in laninst.pgm on WSeB

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <384DD993.2C8161F0@e-mail.com>,
  "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)"
<operagost@e-mail.com> wrote:
> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
> > In article <384C7B09.44964E4D@e-mail.com>,
> >   "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)"
> > <operagost@e-mail.com> wrote:
> >         <<<snip>>>
> > > usually it's in laninst.pgm
         <<<snip>>>
> With Peer, it always seemed to be because because
the path and
> libpath were too long. I would back the config.sys
up, hack out everything
> that wasn't necessary to boot, and then manually
plop the
> driver statements in if necessary.
        <<<snip>>>

I've had that advice offered to me multiple times in
this news group.  When I followed it, it made no
difference.  So I still live in hope........

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    08-Dec-99 19:21:05
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <82jpsn$5os$1@thoth.cts.com>,
  Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:
> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
> : In article <82fq2g$1bo9$1@thoth.cts.com>,
> :   Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:
        <<<snip>>>

Will, Frank, everybody . . . The generosity of spirit
exhibited here is truly overwhelming.  Thanks seems
like a totally inadequate response.  But I am
grateful.  I have a lot to chew on here......

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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Before you buy.

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     08-Dec-99 20:23:21
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:20
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:24:33, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser 
<wwilly@one.net> wrote:

>  If WatchCat can do it, the system
> should be able to do it itself.
>  
> WW
> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
>  
>  
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>  
> 

I agree, to a certain extent. OS/2 shutdown is very timid about 
killing programs, very much on purpose. "They" don't want to blow away
any of "your" data, so the shutdown just sits there waiting for "you" 
to take some action. On the other hand, it would be nice if "they" 
would give the OS/2 user a proper tool to force a shutdown when 
somehing does get hung up (I suppose that the Ctrl-Alt-Del thing could
be considered to be such a tool, but something a little more elegant, 
such as a popup indicating a "hung" program, with an option to force 
it,  would be nice). 

As for killing programs, at other times, if you put:
SET KILLFEATUREENABLED=ON
in your CONFIG.SYS (warp4, anyway), and click the second icon from the
left on the WarpCenter, while pressing the Ctrl key, you can select 
any program in the list to be killed. This doesn't always work 
(Watchcat can't kill everything either), but the tool is there, if you
enable it. Again, this is a little on the timid side, but that is just
to be sure that you don't kill something else along with the offending
program. Sometimes, if you just rip a program out of a chain, you will
break that chain, and lose everything. 

OS/2 is designed in such a way as to try to keep everything else 
running, even if one individual program does crash (doesn't always 
work, but it is pretty good). Being a little on the timid side, when 
it comes to forcing a program out, is part of this overall attempt to 
keep the system running. On the other hand, this does, sometimes, make
it difficult to do a "graceful" shutdown to recover from something 
that went wrong. Personally, I prefer the odd "battle" to get it to 
shut down, to the alternative where something might get "unknowingly" 
lost.

Just my C$.03 ($.02 US)...
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The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               08-Dec-99 13:38:29
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: fix pack installaton

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Ivan, not sure how you are installing the FP over the LAN, you were not
very specific.

The reason for the re-boot is to handle LOCKED FILES. No way around it.
FSERVICE should have terminated after it displayed the message and the
user responded. 

There is a README.CID with the FP, read that as it might help.

Irv

Ivan Tang wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> I am trying to install an OS2 fix pack in the computers in our LAN. In order
> to minimize the possible interpution to our users, I am using
> the unattended mode and a response file to install the fix pack.
> 
> My question is: At the end of the installation, it prompts the users
> to enter ctrl-alt-del to restart the computer. After rebooting
> the PC, the fix pack installation program, fservice.exe, is still running. I
> just wonder how to make this fservice.exe to terminated by
> itself?  I have read books about the CID installation, and found
> that there is a key word "RebootRequired" could make the PC to restart
> itself by adding it into the response file, but the
> response file comes with the fix pack  did not allow me to add such
> word, what have I done wrong?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Victor
> email: victor.hw.tang@hkjc.org.hk

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               08-Dec-99 13:28:07
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: New Fix Tool?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

WW, we uploaded the NLV FixTools on Monday. A few were missing, and we
needed to put them up. We'd normally do it when an NLV became available,
but this time we decided to do all rather than try to figure out which
was backlevel. The US got replaced, it probably shouldn't have as we
knew it was up to date. Was just easier to do all rather than
investigate.

Now, how did you know it was changed? Program watch the FTP site for you
or were you just there and happen to notice? Many times we'll stage
releases, and when the files are in place, announce the availability. I
wish people wouldn't grab stuff just because it was there. I'm sure that
at some point we'll be putting out files and THEN discover a problem,
and replace/remove the files. Unfortunately, we do not have direct
access to the external site, and putting up files as well as removing
them takes time.

When we have something new up, we WILL announce it, either on the NEWS
PAGE or one of the pages that normally would show FP's. Please don't go
grabbing stuff unless you know what it is.

Irv

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
> 
> If you FTP to service.boulder.ibm.com & navigate to
> directory ps/products/os2/fixtool/english-us you'll
> find file cs_141.exe dated December 6, 1999.  The
> most recent release of the Fix Tool was indeed 1.41
> but it was released several months ago.  So how come
> the file was updated yesterday but the version number
> is still the old one?  The accompanying cs_141.txt is
> still dated July 1.  I hate when you guys do that
> without explaining it.
> 
> WW
> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               08-Dec-99 13:22:07
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: FP 13?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Don't expect to see a FP 13 (or 43 either) this year.

If a Y2K fix should be needed, we'd try to get that out like other Y2K
fixes, individual not requiring a FP to get it.

Irv Spalten

"Walter S. Rue" wrote:
> 
> Unless an emergency Y2K problem just can't wait, I hope we we'll see no
> more fixpacks until next year.  Except for emergencies, I wouldn't put
> one on anyway.
> 
> Should we anticipate any Y2K surprises?
> 
> -Walter

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From: cwr@cts.com                                       08-Dec-99 22:13:15
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 19:54:21
Subj: Re: printer ports at non standard io and irq?

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
: In article <82jpsn$5os$1@thoth.cts.com>,
:   Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:
:> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
:> : In article <82fq2g$1bo9$1@thoth.cts.com>,
:> :   Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> wrote:
:         <<<snip>>>

: Will, Frank, everybody . . . The generosity of spirit
: exhibited here is truly overwhelming.  Thanks seems
: like a totally inadequate response.  But I am
: grateful.  I have a lot to chew on here......

One thing I should have stressed is that life is a lot easier with
a good editor; in particular, the editor needs to be able to accept
commands from the WorkFrame monitor, so that double-clicking will
open the relevant file at the error message, and it also needs to
be able to run the help system - backspace on a word then
looks up the word in the relevant .INF file.  Without the latter
I'd go nuts programming PM; there are a _lot_ of calls.

If you use VAC's LX editor then you're home free; I prefer EPM 6.03b,
tho' it takes more effort to set it up.  But if you have a personal
editor that you really, really want to use make sure it can handle
the tasks above.


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com

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From: Joe_Farruggio@amecom.com                          08-Dec-99 18:07:29
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: PMPatrol hangs loading (sometimes)

From: Joe Farruggio <Joe_Farruggio@amecom.com>

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Hi
 I started having a problem loading PMPatrol recently. It
hangs the system while loading but not all the time. When it
hangs the system, i have to reboot and sometimes it
continues to hang the system and the only way to get OS2
running is to change the directory name so PMPatrol can't be
found. Sometimes PMPatrol will load properly on the 2nd
through the 4 th try. I can't figure out how to attack this
problem. Can anyone help with this?

My system is a 450 MHz Pentium II  with an AGP Video card
(Matrox 200) running OS2 Ver4 Fixpak 12 with Object Desktop
Ver 2.0 Fixpak 1. The system has 128 MB memory, 3 IDE hard
drives and a Tekram scsi controller running a CD Rom and a
Seagate Tape Backup. I am also using the latest dani ide
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From: SkidMARX@att.net                                  08-Dec-99 22:23:22
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: New Fix Tool? Sorry Irv ...

From: SkidMARX@att.net

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:28:14, Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:

* snip *

> Now, how did you know it was changed? Program watch the FTP site for you
> or were you just there and happen to notice? Many times we'll stage
> releases, and when the files are in place, announce the availability. I
> wish people wouldn't grab stuff just because it was there. I'm sure that
> at some point we'll be putting out files and THEN discover a problem,
> and replace/remove the files. Unfortunately, we do not have direct
> access to the external site, and putting up files as well as removing
> them takes time.
> 
> When we have something new up, we WILL announce it, either on the NEWS
> PAGE or one of the pages that normally would show FP's. Please don't go
> grabbing stuff unless you know what it is.
> 
> Irv
> 

Irv,

I can only speak for myself ...
But we (SOHO, individual OS/2 users) only receive such small dribbles 
of possible downloads these days that I'll take whatever I can find 
..

I know that sounds silly, and it is certainly taking a risk 
(especially on TESTCASE downloads) but hell if you want to have 
something to "play" around with, and IMO that is one possible way 
people spend time on their computer.  Used to be such a joy to explore
CompuServe back in the day and find some new "nugget" of a utility, or
update, or something.  But not anymore :=(

Anyway, I certainly wish things were different, and I miss the glory 
days between the Warp 3 and Warp 4 releases when it actually seemed 
possible that there would be a user base sufficient to support the 
small OS/2 ISV so that we could have toys to play with ...

Who knows, maybe some day IBM will toss us a bone of some sort ...
Only time will tell ...

Gregory L. Marx
skidmarx@att.net

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From: wadsack@ibm.net                                   08-Dec-99 18:17:04
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: Re: New Fix Tool?

From: "Peter Wadsack" <wadsack@ibm.net>

Irv:

How about an e-mail subscriber list that send out notice of something new??

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:28:14 -0600, Irv Spalten wrote:

:>  
:>  When we have something new up, we WILL announce it, either on the NEWS
:>  PAGE or one of the pages that normally would show FP's. Please don't go
:>  grabbing stuff unless you know what it is.


Peter

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Wadsack Management; Madison WI USA
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From: wadsack@ibm.net                                   08-Dec-99 18:48:02
  To: All                                               08-Dec-99 21:21:26
Subj: voicetype stopped working

From: "Peter Wadsack" <wadsack@ibm.net>

at the worst possible time, of course.

Finally, I selectively uninstalled, then reinstalled it.  This put it out of 
sync, missing fixpak corrections.

So I discovered that <Service.exe> won't find VoiceType [installed on a 
different drive than OS/2] to service.  Long story, but I did it manually.
Except now I get:

------------------------------------------------------------

12-07-1999  11:25:00  SYS3175  PID 0047  TID 0001  Slot 0072
M:\VT\SPCH_BIN\ENROLL.EXE
c0000005
1f3223f8
P1=00000001  P2=00000001  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX  
EAX=00000001  EBX=00000001  ECX=000438fc  EDX=00043868
ESI=00000003  EDI=ffffffff  
DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=1fffffff  
ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=1fffffff  
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
CS:EIP=005b:1f3223f8  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
SS:ESP=0053:000437e4  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=1fffffff
EBP=00043850  FLG=00012296

OS2OM30.DLL 0001:000023f8

------------------------------------------------------------

So, what is <OS2OM30.DLL> anyway?  What to do?

 

Peter

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From: madodel@ptdprolog.net                             09-Dec-99 00:49:14
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: New Fix Tool?

From: madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel)

OS/2 users have learned to grab what they can when they can.  That is 
the nature of having to deal with IBM when they continue to pull the 
rug out from under us every chance they get.  This is meant as no 
slight to you or the rest of the OS/2 developers.  You guys are the 
reason we hang on.  Just an explanation of where the few SOHO OS/2 
users who are left are coming from.

Mark

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:28:14, Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:

-)WW, we uploaded the NLV FixTools on Monday. A few were missing, and we
-)needed to put them up. We'd normally do it when an NLV became available,
-)but this time we decided to do all rather than try to figure out which
-)was backlevel. The US got replaced, it probably shouldn't have as we
-)knew it was up to date. Was just easier to do all rather than
-)investigate.
-)
-)Now, how did you know it was changed? Program watch the FTP site for you
-)or were you just there and happen to notice? Many times we'll stage
-)releases, and when the files are in place, announce the availability. I
-)wish people wouldn't grab stuff just because it was there. I'm sure that
-)at some point we'll be putting out files and THEN discover a problem,
-)and replace/remove the files. Unfortunately, we do not have direct
-)access to the external site, and putting up files as well as removing
-)them takes time.
-)
-)When we have something new up, we WILL announce it, either on the NEWS
-)PAGE or one of the pages that normally would show FP's. Please don't go
-)grabbing stuff unless you know what it is.
-)
-)Irv
-)
-)Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
-)> 
-)> If you FTP to service.boulder.ibm.com & navigate to
-)> directory ps/products/os2/fixtool/english-us you'll
-)> find file cs_141.exe dated December 6, 1999.  The
-)> most recent release of the Fix Tool was indeed 1.41
-)> but it was released several months ago.  So how come
-)> the file was updated yesterday but the version number
-)> is still the old one?  The accompanying cs_141.txt is
-)> still dated July 1.  I hate when you guys do that
-)> without explaining it.
-)> 
-)> WW
-)> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
-)> 
-)> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
-)> Before you buy.

--

---------------------------------------------------------
 From the Desk of: Mark Dodel, RN, BSN, MBA
             Healthcare Computer Consultant
                   madodel@ptdprolog.net
    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel

  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
             http://www.os2voice.org/index.html
---------------------------------------------------------


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    09-Dec-99 06:22:28
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <82iasu$niq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>
wrote:
> For the past 2 or 3 days I have been seeing Usenet
> posts on Deja News displaying in a microscopically
> small font, can't be more than 2 points high.
        <<<snip>>>

Tonight I receivef an E-mail response from Deja News
to my report of this problem.  Evidently they've had
plenty of other users complaining about the small
fonts & they're working on fixing it.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: wdlkhl@attglobal.net                              08-Dec-99 22:41:23
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 03:31:04
Subj: Re: PMPatrol hangs loading (sometimes)

From: Wm D Loughman <wdlkhl@attglobal.net>

"...problem...recently."  Is it a legal copy?

Joe Farruggio wrote:
> 
> Hi
>  I started having a problem loading PMPatrol recently. It
> hangs the system while loading but not all the time. When it
> hangs the system, i have to reboot and sometimes it
> continues to hang the system and the only way to get OS2
> running is to change the directory name so PMPatrol can't be
> found. Sometimes PMPatrol will load properly on the 2nd
> through the 4 th try. I can't figure out how to attack this
> problem. Can anyone help with this?
> 
> My system is a 450 MHz Pentium II  with an AGP Video card
> (Matrox 200) running OS2 Ver4 Fixpak 12 with Object Desktop
> Ver 2.0 Fixpak 1. The system has 128 MB memory, 3 IDE hard
> drives and a Tekram scsi controller running a CD Rom and a
> Seagate Tape Backup. I am also using the latest dani ide
> driver and SIO
 

WD "Bill" Loughman       "The problem with the gene pool: no lifeguard."
Berkeley, California  USA
wdlkhl@attglobal.net

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           09-Dec-99 17:39:06
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 15:31:04
Subj: Re: FP 13?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:24:07, Steven Lee Andreason 
<sandreas@u.washington.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Irv Spalten wrote:
> 
> > Don't expect to see a FP 13 (or 43 either) this year.
> 
> Which fixpack should be installed for an older IBM PS/2 model running Warp
> Connect 3 at XR03003?  And how?  It seems that fixpack 42 didn't want to
> install. :(
> 

Fixpack 40 is the latest for Warp Connect

Rumour has it that FP 39 is more stable.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: Joe_Farruggio@amecom.com                          09-Dec-99 13:17:02
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 15:31:04
Subj: Re: PMPatrol hangs loading (sometimes)

From: Joe Farruggio <Joe_Farruggio@amecom.com>

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Joe Farruggio wrote:
Yes it is, i registered and payed for it years ago

Wm D Loughman wrote:

> "...problem...recently."  Is it a legal copy?
>
> Joe Farruggio wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >  I started having a problem loading PMPatrol recently. It
> > hangs the system while loading but not all the time. When it
> > hangs the system, i have to reboot and sometimes it
> > continues to hang the system and the only way to get OS2
> > running is to change the directory name so PMPatrol can't be
> > found. Sometimes PMPatrol will load properly on the 2nd
> > through the 4 th try. I can't figure out how to attack this
> > problem. Can anyone help with this?
> >
> > My system is a 450 MHz Pentium II  with an AGP Video card
> > (Matrox 200) running OS2 Ver4 Fixpak 12 with Object Desktop
> > Ver 2.0 Fixpak 1. The system has 128 MB memory, 3 IDE hard
> > drives and a Tekram scsi controller running a CD Rom and a
> > Seagate Tape Backup. I am also using the latest dani ide
> > driver and SIO
>
>
> WD "Bill" Loughman       "The problem with the gene pool: no lifeguard."
> Berkeley, California  USA
> wdlkhl@attglobal.net

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From: upatoyou@ibmmail.com                              10-Dec-99 06:29:07
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: shutdown problem - a free cure? - shutsys.CMD (0/1)

From: "DeutschMick" <upatoyou@ibmmail.com>

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:21:02 +0100, Henny Scheele wrote:

>When i click the shutdown button, there
>is some disk access and then nothing happens.
>What to do?
>
>Henny Scheele

I have a toy to perform network, or complete shutdown. 

It gives you a little information as shutdown progresses,
so you can see where some of the problems might be.

I have also found it cures the occasional shut hang.

---------------------------------------------------

Copy the (attached) REXX (SHUTSYS.CMD) somewhere in your path.

Then open an OS/2 command window when you wish to shutdown:

Type:  Shutsys all  to completely shut down OS/2.

Type:  Shutsys net  to shutdown just the network.

HTH :-)

      /                                       R  e  g  a  r  d  s  :
    /    -  __0      Mick Deutsch, Project Audio, Canberra, AUSTRALIA.
[@\      _  \<,_       m$tsch@pcug.org.zzz, zzzhic$@ibmmail.com 
[@/     (_) / (_)   searching for great sound!    NO DAVE!    I am not
    \                      Wind95/NT compatible, this is the 21st century!
     \

humans:  to reply, please replace the z's with au,
         and the currency symbol with deu - thanks.
          
Created and sent using OS/2, the most advanced PC OS
available in the last years of the 20th century.

Why use Neanderthal Tinkering (tm) Operating System?

visit http://www.aberdeen.com/secure/onsite/case1/body.htm
to see for yourself.



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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Dec-99 20:14:17
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Reachiong the end of my winos2 string

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:33:04, Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com> wrote:

> Warp 4, FP 5.
> 
> Been running an investment program for 2-3years, I get quarterly
> updates, tied to the data to be processed (makes regression
> impossible).  Last update received started getting an occasional file
> error (this particular file of &deity. knows how many files only is sent
> about twice a month (daily updates otherwise).
> 
> It runs correctly on W98, it runs correctly on Win 3.1 (that was a
> hassle installing), but it no longer "likes" winos2.
> 
> Finally really read the installation instructions, and they indicated I
> should be supporting a max of 100 files.  Aha! only 50 here, changed to
> 150, reran 2 months of data (ugh), Still the same file error.
> 
> Now, 3.1 uses share (I know I don't need it with OS2) and when I first
> misran this jewel on vanilla MS 3.1 I forgot to put in the share pgm and
> got an error somewhat similar to the one in OS/2 (that's when I looked
> at the file defaults and changed them).
> 
> I have taken to comparing the vanilla 3.1 programs and dlls to the
> winos2 versions (other than fonts) and have found some differences, some
> expected, others like same size module, different date, identical
> contents!!!
> 
> I know everybody says this, but I HAVE changed nothing.  The last update
> of the program changed dunpak and gx50... something, I managed to
> regress to the old module (with great difficulty in the dunpack case...
> since the program knew what version to expect), NO DIFFERENCE.
> 
> Their technical support says they don't support OS/2, and their windows
> versions work (and they do) so it is an OS problem as far as they are
> concerned.
> 
> Any ideas about winos2 files handling/file limits (btw, this file that
> doesn't work is not a biggy.... 20 bytes).
> 
> I think I have changed everything that relates to # of files.
> 
> Oh, the vanilla 3.1 share invocation is SHARE /F=7100 /L=1000
> 
> The /L is # of locks, and it turned out I need 1100 ???? to get it to
> run right (vanilla).
> 
> Should I just toss in the towel and go to 98?
> 
> Ron

I don't know if it will help, but there seems to be another problem, 
with WinOS2, where a lot of files is required to fix it. Try setting 
the files to 255. That fixed another problem that I was having (not 
sure why, but you have nothing to lose for trying it).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Dec-99 20:14:16
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: PMPatrol hangs loading (sometimes)

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:07:58, Joe Farruggio <Joe_Farruggio@amecom.com> 
wrote:

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> Hi
>  I started having a problem loading PMPatrol recently. It
> hangs the system while loading but not all the time. When it
> hangs the system, i have to reboot and sometimes it
> continues to hang the system and the only way to get OS2
> running is to change the directory name so PMPatrol can't be
> found. Sometimes PMPatrol will load properly on the 2nd
> through the 4 th try. I can't figure out how to attack this
> problem. Can anyone help with this?
> 
> My system is a 450 MHz Pentium II  with an AGP Video card
> (Matrox 200) running OS2 Ver4 Fixpak 12 with Object Desktop
> Ver 2.0 Fixpak 1. The system has 128 MB memory, 3 IDE hard
> drives and a Tekram scsi controller running a CD Rom and a
> Seagate Tape Backup. I am also using the latest dani ide
> driver and SIO
> 
> 
> 
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> -------Begin Encoded File-------
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> Decoded path: file:///E:\PRONEWS\DECODED\Joe_Fa~2.vcf
> Encoding type: 7-Bit
> File size: 0KB
> --------End Encoded File--------
> 

I am going to make a guess here, that perhaps your system is fast 
enough to be causing a conflict with another program startup. There is
a known problem with starting the WarpCenter from the CONFIG.SYS. The 
line:
====================================
SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,CONNECTIONS,WARPCENTER
====================================
(should be one line, if it wraps), starts the WarpCenter, and this is 
what OS/2 installs as a default.

Many people find that this causes problems (hangs on startup, which 
may appear to be "other" programs hanging -> read PMPatrol appears to 
be hanging) when WarpCenter is started this way, especially on faster 
machines. Perhaps, this what you are actually seeing. (This problem 
seems to be very timing dependant, and may start to show up, or go 
away, with only minor changes in the startup sequence).

To "fix" the problem, get your system running, go to the OS/2 System 
folder, open the Startup folder, and make a copy of the WarpCenter 
icon in the Startup folder. Then change the above line to:
====================================
SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,CONNECTIONS
====================================
(should be one line, if it wraps) in CONFIG.SYS. 

Be sure you use either the OS/2 System editor, or TEDIT, to modify the
OS/2 CONFIG.SYS. Other editors may not be able to handle the long line
lengths that may be present in the OS/2 CONFIG.SYS.

Shut down, and reboot.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                09-Dec-99 15:22:07
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Reachiong the end of my winos2 string

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> I don't know if it will help, but there seems to be another problem, 
> with WinOS2, where a lot of files is required to fix it. Try setting 
> the files to 255. That fixed another problem that I was having (not 
> sure why, but you have nothing to lose for trying it).
> 
> Hope this helps...

Thanks, Doug.  Any port in a storm.... I'll try it tonight (although I
can be pretty much guaranteed that tonight will not be a dreaded
"file_14I" night).

Ron

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               09-Dec-99 13:07:11
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: New Fix Tool?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

WW, the process I'm implementing will put up a 'splash' blurb when you
FTP to the sites. It will put a date and content line, so hopefully,
that will explain any changes. Like I said, this time we didn't as we
were just uploading NLV's.

I'm also looking into another avenue for handling OS/2 related news on
Service and Support items. There is a possibility of a subscription page
that will cover what the present news page does.

Irv

Bill \"Wild Willy\" Kredentser wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Irv Spalten wrote:
>         <<<snip>>>
> > Now, how did you know it was changed?
> 
> No fancy automated tools.  About once a week I make a visual tour of
> inspection of service.boulder.ibm.com just to see what's there.  I don't
> have a set time.  Just when I think of it.  The Fix Tool file had been
> there 24 hours so I figured an accompanying blurb had had enough time to
> appear.
> 
>         <<<snip>>>
> > When we have something new up, we WILL announce it, either on the NEWS
> > PAGE or one of the pages that normally would show FP's. Please don't go
> > grabbing stuff unless you know what it is.
> >
> > Irv
> 
> OK, Grampa.  Can you forgive me this time?  <:-))  I do also monitor the
> news page.  I did not actually download the "new" Fix Tool file.  I am not
> in the habit of downloading files unless I know I want them.  Like that
> unexplained OS2JRE.EXE file that showed up in the Java fixes directory.
> Without explanation.  It's several Meg.  Did I mention there's no file
> there saying WHAT it is or HOW to use it or WHY one might want it?  Since
> such a file had NEVER before appeared there, such an explanation just
> possibly might be in order.  Just a little 2-line .txt file would be
> enough.  A pointer to an explanatory web page would be enough.  No way I
> get something like that without knowing what it is.  Slow modem
> connection, dontcha know.......
> 
> > Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>         <<<snip>>>
> 
> WW
> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             09-Dec-99 13:25:07
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: Reachiong the end of my winos2 string

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Ron Vopicka wrote:
> 
> Warp 4, FP 5.
> 
> Been running an investment program for 2-3years, I get quarterly
> updates, tied to the data to be processed (makes regression
> impossible).  Last update received started getting an occasional file
> error (this particular file of &deity. knows how many files only is sent
> about twice a month (daily updates otherwise).
> 
> It runs correctly on W98, it runs correctly on Win 3.1 (that was a
> hassle installing), but it no longer "likes" winos2.

You might try updating to FP 12...

> 
> Finally really read the installation instructions, and they indicated I
> should be supporting a max of 100 files.  Aha! only 50 here, changed to
> 150, reran 2 months of data (ugh), Still the same file error.
> 
> Now, 3.1 uses share (I know I don't need it with OS2) and when I first
> misran this jewel on vanilla MS 3.1 I forgot to put in the share pgm and
> got an error somewhat similar to the one in OS/2 (that's when I looked
> at the file defaults and changed them).
> 
> I have taken to comparing the vanilla 3.1 programs and dlls to the
> winos2 versions (other than fonts) and have found some differences, some
> expected, others like same size module, different date, identical
> contents!!!
> 
> I know everybody says this, but I HAVE changed nothing.  The last update
> of the program changed dunpak and gx50... something, I managed to
> regress to the old module (with great difficulty in the dunpack case...
> since the program knew what version to expect), NO DIFFERENCE.
> 
> Their technical support says they don't support OS/2, and their windows
> versions work (and they do) so it is an OS problem as far as they are
> concerned.
> 
> Any ideas about winos2 files handling/file limits (btw, this file that
> doesn't work is not a biggy.... 20 bytes).
> 
> I think I have changed everything that relates to # of files.
> 
> Oh, the vanilla 3.1 share invocation is SHARE /F=7100 /L=1000
> 
> The /L is # of locks, and it turned out I need 1100 ???? to get it to
> run right (vanilla).
> 
> Should I just toss in the towel and go to 98?
> 
> Ron

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From: jpedone_nospam@flash.net                          10-Dec-99 00:17:04
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:11
Subj: Re: voicetype stopped working

From: jpedone_nospam@flash.net

In <jnqfnpxvozarg.fmg4s50.pminews@NEWS3.IBM.NET>, "Peter Wadsack"
<wadsack@ibm.net> writes:
>at the worst possible time, of course.
>
>Finally, I selectively uninstalled, then reinstalled it.  This put it out of 
>sync, missing fixpak corrections.
>
>So I discovered that <Service.exe> won't find VoiceType [installed on a 
>different drive than OS/2] to service.  Long story, but I did it manually.
>Except now I get:
>

This may or may not help but... in the FP read me you'll find:

 6.4 RELOCATED OS/2 FILE SUPPORT

   If you have moved OS/2 files or directories to a drive other than the one
   the SYSLEVEL.OS2 file is on, do the following in order to have them
   serviced:

     Create a file named USERDIRS.OS2 in the \OS2\INSTALL directory of the
      OS\2 Warp 4 partition to be serviced.

      In this file, place the full path to the directories you want to be
      serviced. Assuming your boot drive is C: and you installed Multimedia
      on the D: drive and manually moved WINOS2 support to the E: drive:

       D:\MMOS2
       D:\MMOS2\DLL
       D:\MMOS2\DSP

You might try creating this file and reapplying the FP...

 
J. Pedone
jpedone@flash.net
http://www.flash.net/~jpedone
 
Windows NT: Vapourware of the desperate and scared.
Beware of Geeks bearing gifs.

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               09-Dec-99 07:56:28
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: New Fix Tool?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

I've not been able to get something that I feel is reliable. Too many
people change addresses and sometimes you get more returned than goes
out.

I wish the IBM Boulder site did have that service, would make it easier.

I've trying to enforce the 'header' on the FTP locations when we put up
stuff too. I thought that would suffice. This particular instance, it
was an error on our part trying to make sure all NLV versions had the
latest FixTool up. Our 'process' had been to put it up when the NLV FP
was released. Got a report in of one missing, found another missing, and
decided to populate ALL the NLV's so this didn't happen again. US was
done too.

Irv

Peter Wadsack wrote:
> 
> Irv:
> 
> How about an e-mail subscriber list that send out notice of something new??
> 
> On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:28:14 -0600, Irv Spalten wrote:
> 
> :>
> :>  When we have something new up, we WILL announce it, either on the NEWS
> :>  PAGE or one of the pages that normally would show FP's. Please don't go
> :>  grabbing stuff unless you know what it is.
> 
> Peter
> 
> */------------------------------------------------------
> Peter Wadsack <wadsack@ibm.net>
> Wadsack Management; Madison WI USA
> ------------------------------------------------------*/

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                09-Dec-99 10:14:11
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

That's not the only problem.  Using NS 2.02 I get occasional strange
page formatting from deja.  It's been going on for several months now
(no changes on my end).

Talking to deja, I am advised that it works with version 4's of web
browsers, and I should upgrade!

Just curious if anyone else (with 2.02) or other has had format
problems.  Typically, I go from a left sidebar of 1.25" to about 3" and
the length of the total display goes from 2 screens to 4+ screens. 
Reload USUALLY gets it right, but not always... and sometimes there are
some html directives in the text... but on successful reload they are
gone!

Ain't computers grand.

Ron

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
> 
> In article <82iasu$niq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>
> wrote:
> > For the past 2 or 3 days I have been seeing Usenet
> > posts on Deja News displaying in a microscopically
> > small font, can't be more than 2 points high.
>         <<<snip>>>
> 
> Tonight I receivef an E-mail response from Deja News
> to my report of this problem.  Evidently they've had
> plenty of other users complaining about the small
> fonts & they're working on fixing it.
> 
> WW
> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                09-Dec-99 10:33:02
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Reachiong the end of my winos2 string

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

Warp 4, FP 5.

Been running an investment program for 2-3years, I get quarterly
updates, tied to the data to be processed (makes regression
impossible).  Last update received started getting an occasional file
error (this particular file of &deity. knows how many files only is sent
about twice a month (daily updates otherwise).

It runs correctly on W98, it runs correctly on Win 3.1 (that was a
hassle installing), but it no longer "likes" winos2.

Finally really read the installation instructions, and they indicated I
should be supporting a max of 100 files.  Aha! only 50 here, changed to
150, reran 2 months of data (ugh), Still the same file error.

Now, 3.1 uses share (I know I don't need it with OS2) and when I first
misran this jewel on vanilla MS 3.1 I forgot to put in the share pgm and
got an error somewhat similar to the one in OS/2 (that's when I looked
at the file defaults and changed them).

I have taken to comparing the vanilla 3.1 programs and dlls to the
winos2 versions (other than fonts) and have found some differences, some
expected, others like same size module, different date, identical
contents!!!

I know everybody says this, but I HAVE changed nothing.  The last update
of the program changed dunpak and gx50... something, I managed to
regress to the old module (with great difficulty in the dunpack case...
since the program knew what version to expect), NO DIFFERENCE.

Their technical support says they don't support OS/2, and their windows
versions work (and they do) so it is an OS problem as far as they are
concerned.

Any ideas about winos2 files handling/file limits (btw, this file that
doesn't work is not a biggy.... 20 bytes).

I think I have changed everything that relates to # of files.

Oh, the vanilla 3.1 share invocation is SHARE /F=7100 /L=1000

The /L is # of locks, and it turned out I need 1100 ???? to get it to
run right (vanilla).

Should I just toss in the towel and go to 98?

Ron

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From: sandreas@u.washington.edu                         09-Dec-99 07:24:03
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: FP 13?

From: Steven Lee Andreason <sandreas@u.washington.edu>

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Irv Spalten wrote:

> Don't expect to see a FP 13 (or 43 either) this year.

Which fixpack should be installed for an older IBM PS/2 model running Warp
Connect 3 at XR03003?  And how?  It seems that fixpack 42 didn't want to
install. :(

-- Steven Andreason


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    09-Dec-99 11:39:07
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: "Bill \"Wild Willy\" Kredentser" <wwilly@one.net>

On 8 Dec 1999, it was written by Doug Bissett:
> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:24:33, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser 
> <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> As for killing programs, at other times, if you put:
> SET KILLFEATUREENABLED=ON
> in your CONFIG.SYS (warp4, anyway), and click the second icon from the
> left on the WarpCenter, while pressing the Ctrl key, you can select 
> any program in the list to be killed. This doesn't always work
        <<<snip>>>

Indeed.  I have always run with that setting.  My post elsewhere on this
thread describing a Win-OS/2 session that keeps asking for cancellation at
shutdown is one such non-working scenario.  Ctrl+MB1 on that WARP Center
icon does NOT show any Win-OS/2 session so I can't even attempt to kill
it.  But the system thinks it's there.  It would be nice if it would just
show up in the list so I COULD kill it; even nicer if the regular Ctrl+Esc
Window List would show it. And then it would continue to be nice if the
system would then AGREE to shut down.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
Deja News says they'll be down for a couple more hours.  Maybe they're
fixing that font problem....

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          09-Dec-99 16:56:12
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 06:22:57, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser 
<wwilly@one.net> wrote:

> In article <82iasu$niq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>
> wrote:
> > For the past 2 or 3 days I have been seeing Usenet
> > posts on Deja News displaying in a microscopically
> > small font, can't be more than 2 points high.
>         <<<snip>>>
> 
> Tonight I receivef an E-mail response from Deja News
> to my report of this problem.  Evidently they've had
> plenty of other users complaining about the small
> fonts & they're working on fixing it.

It's good (I guess) to hear that they are at least responsive to 
complaints, but they've been going in their current direction for a 
long while and it seems unlikely that they are going to unwind all 
their work. Larger fonts will show up, maybe, but I still get this 
error:

"501 Remote servers talking with old HTTP 0.9 protocol are not 
supported."

when I try to access their index page directly with SmartCache 
enabled. I don't see any new functionality in there that I need, so 
I'm happy going in via the alternate search pages, with DejaClassic 
output.



-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: wwilly@one.net                                    09-Dec-99 12:02:29
  To: All                                               09-Dec-99 22:41:12
Subj: Re: New Fix Tool?

From: "Bill \"Wild Willy\" Kredentser" <wwilly@one.net>

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Irv Spalten wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> Now, how did you know it was changed?

No fancy automated tools.  About once a week I make a visual tour of
inspection of service.boulder.ibm.com just to see what's there.  I don't
have a set time.  Just when I think of it.  The Fix Tool file had been
there 24 hours so I figured an accompanying blurb had had enough time to
appear.

        <<<snip>>>
> When we have something new up, we WILL announce it, either on the NEWS
> PAGE or one of the pages that normally would show FP's. Please don't go
> grabbing stuff unless you know what it is.
> 
> Irv

OK, Grampa.  Can you forgive me this time?  <:-))  I do also monitor the
news page.  I did not actually download the "new" Fix Tool file.  I am not
in the habit of downloading files unless I know I want them.  Like that
unexplained OS2JRE.EXE file that showed up in the Java fixes directory.  
Without explanation.  It's several Meg.  Did I mention there's no file
there saying WHAT it is or HOW to use it or WHY one might want it?  Since
such a file had NEVER before appeared there, such an explanation just
possibly might be in order.  Just a little 2-line .txt file would be
enough.  A pointer to an explanatory web page would be enough.  No way I
get something like that without knowing what it is.  Slow modem
connection, dontcha know.......

> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
        <<<snip>>>

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!

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From: idawson@montupetuk.co.uk                          10-Dec-99 11:29:27
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 10:35:21
Subj: OS2 & Toshiba 300CDT Laptop

From: "ID" <idawson@montupetuk.co.uk>

I've been trying to install OS2 Warp 3 on a Toshiba 300CDT Laptop.  I
fdisk'd the hard disk to fat16. I inserted the Installation Diskette which
brings up an OS2 symbol in the top left cornet of the screen.  After about a
minute the machine reboots and continually performs the same task again,
never getting to disk 1.

The machine has a 2.1Gb HD with 80Mb Ram.


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From: jules@acunet.net                                  10-Dec-99 09:20:11
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:22
Subj: 2GB file size limit

From: Jules Gilbert <jules@acunet.net>

Okay, what do I do?

I have a Adobe .pdf file (representing almost 700 pages of a manual)
which I want to print.

I would like two-sided copy, printed in reverse order on a Z-51 from
Lexmark.    I'd like two copies but I'm willing to run the print-job
twice.

I start the job, and of course wait while it 'prints' to an intermediate
disk file.  But at page 624, this intermediate file first exceeds 2GB
and the job aborts.  I CAN print the first 623 pages of this 688 page
manual, but I can't print beyond that.

By this last sentence, I mean that I can't print the entire manual by
doing the printing as separate segments, say the first half and then the
second half.  The problem with this is that the the first half, even if
unprinted, requires file space -- thus the remaining segments never
happen...  Sigh.

As I see it, I can either seek out a fix to extend OS/2 to bigger than
2GB files, or perhaps find another mechanism to print with.

If it matters, this file is the IBM PL/1 language reference manual.
I'll also have the same problem with the Programmers' Guide.

Last, if more people had been buying OS/2 instead of NT, IBM would have
fixed the 2GB file limit years ago.  Maybe IBM will look at what's
happening to MS and reconsider allowing OS2 to fall apart.

What do I do about the printing problem?  Please e-mail me
jules@acunet.net


Sincerely,
Jules

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From: Flass@Dont_Spam_Me.38.246.113.4                   10-Dec-99 09:01:16
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:22
Subj: Re: 2GB file size limit

From: Peter Flass <Flass@Dont_Spam_Me.38.246.113.4>

Jules Gilbert wrote:
> 
> I have a Adobe .pdf file (representing almost 700 pages of a manual)
> which I want to print.
> 
> I would like two-sided copy, printed in reverse order on a Z-51 from
> Lexmark. 

What's a Z-51?  Is it PCL?  I printed the VA PL/I 2.1 reference at about
670 pages with no problem on a Postscript printer.  I would assume PCL
would require more disk space.

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From: no.spam@no.spam.org                               10-Dec-99 15:42:20
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:22
Subj: Re: OS2 & Toshiba 300CDT Laptop

From: "Cornelis Bockem?hl" <no.spam@no.spam.org>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:54 -0000, ID wrote:

>I've been trying to install OS2 Warp 3 on a Toshiba 300CDT Laptop.  I
>fdisk'd the hard disk to fat16. I inserted the Installation Diskette which
>brings up an OS2 symbol in the top left cornet of the screen.  After about a
>minute the machine reboots and continually performs the same task again,
>never getting to disk 1.
>
>The machine has a 2.1Gb HD with 80Mb Ram.

Sounds rather strange to me: I have a Toshiba 300CDS Laptop with the
same size HD and 48MB RAM, and OS/2 installed there without a flaw!
This of course only means: It _should_ work somehow...

One more difference is that I use HPFS as my file system (which I
would recommend in any case: FAT16 is far less safe and you are
loosing a lot of disk space on HDs of that size, i.e. "huge" in the
old days of DOS and FAT16!

Once you get further with your installation I could give some more
recommendations, but also have a look at the "Notebook/2" site at

http://www.os2ss.com/users/drmartinus/Notebook.htm

in any case: You will find valuable information there.

For you first-time installation I would propose to install "VGA" in
the beginning, even if the installer would propose something else:
You will need GRADD (what I am using) or another C&T driver that is
not included in the installation disk. If you want to use PC-Cards,
just install _any_ brand, because contrary to the video installation
where you always have to deinstall any old ones first (or switch back
to VGA), here you better change an existing installation with new
drivers!

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>

--------------------------------------------
Cornelis Bockemhl, Dornach, Switzerland
e-mail: cbockem AT datacomm DOT ch
(use this instead of antispam reply address)
PGP public key available



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From: no.spam@no.spam.org                               10-Dec-99 15:47:18
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: OS2 & Toshiba 300CDT Laptop

From: "Cornelis Bockem?hl" <no.spam@no.spam.org>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:42:41 +0100 (CET), Cornelis Bockemhl wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:54 -0000, ID wrote:
>
>>I've been trying to install OS2 Warp 3 on a Toshiba 300CDT Laptop.  I
>>fdisk'd the hard disk to fat16. I inserted the Installation Diskette which
>>brings up an OS2 symbol in the top left cornet of the screen.  After about a
>>minute the machine reboots and continually performs the same task again,
>>never getting to disk 1.
>>
>>The machine has a 2.1Gb HD with 80Mb Ram.
>
>Sounds rather strange to me: I have a Toshiba 300CDS Laptop with the
>same size HD and 48MB RAM, and OS/2 installed there without a flaw!
>This of course only means: It _should_ work somehow...
>
>One more difference is that I use HPFS as my file system (which I
>would recommend in any case: FAT16 is far less safe and you are
>loosing a lot of disk space on HDs of that size, i.e. "huge" in the
>old days of DOS and FAT16!

[...]

Oops, another difference of course: I installed Warp4 and you tried
it with Warp3 - however no idea if this matters!

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>

--------------------------------------------
Cornelis Bockemhl, Dornach, Switzerland
e-mail: cbockem AT datacomm DOT ch
(use this instead of antispam reply address)
PGP public key available



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From: jwkenned@bellatlantic.net                         10-Dec-99 15:16:26
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: 2GB file size limit

From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenned@bellatlantic.net>

Peter Flass wrote:
> 
> Jules Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > I have a Adobe .pdf file (representing almost 700 pages of a manual)
> > which I want to print.
> >
> > I would like two-sided copy, printed in reverse order on a Z-51 from
> > Lexmark.
> 
> What's a Z-51?  Is it PCL?  I printed the VA PL/I 2.1 reference at about
> 670 pages with no problem on a Postscript printer.  I would assume PCL
> would require more disk space.

The Z51 is a brainless printer that requires the system to render the
pages and then send it the exact pixel data.  This adds greatly to the
burden it puts on the system, but is common in the inkjet market,
because, at that level, it cuts the price of the printer in half.

-- 
-John W. Kennedy
-rri0189@ibm.net
Compact is becoming contract
Man only earns and pays.  -- Charles Williams

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From: jwkenned@bellatlantic.net                         10-Dec-99 15:21:02
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: 2GB file size limit

From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenned@bellatlantic.net>

Jules Gilbert wrote:
> Last, if more people had been buying OS/2 instead of NT, IBM would have
> fixed the 2GB file limit years ago.  Maybe IBM will look at what's
> happening to MS and reconsider allowing OS2 to fall apart.

It's not that simple.  It's an API problem; "fixing" it requires
changing each and every program that might use a >2GB file.  (And the
change then makes the changed program unable to run on a pre-change
OS/2.)  It also requires changes to the C compiler, library, etc.

-- 
-John W. Kennedy
-rri0189@ibm.net
Compact is becoming contract
Man only earns and pays.  -- Charles Williams

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               10-Dec-99 09:33:08
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Fixpack 12 Can I Assume

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Steen, we've stopped updating OS2MEMU, but Theseus has been released as
version 3 to run under the latest FP's. See URL
http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fixnews.html#thes.

Irv

Steen Bondo wrote:
> 
> OS20MEMU, Theseus and maybe other programs wont run under fp12..??
> --
> Steen

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      10-Dec-99 16:42:09
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Fixpack 12 Can I Assume

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

* Reply to a message in in_box.

Irv Spalten wrote in a message to Steen Bondo:

IS> Steen, we've stopped updating OS2MEMU, but Theseus has been 
IS> released
IS> as version 3 to run under the latest FP's. See URL
IS> http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fixnews.
IS> 
IS> html#thes. 

And it was OS20MEMU I used. :-)
--
Steen

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From: wadsack@ibm.net                                   10-Dec-99 11:02:17
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: voicetype stopped working

From: "Peter Wadsack" <wadsack@ibm.net>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:17:09 GMT, jpedone_nospam@flash.net wrote:

:>  In <jnqfnpxvozarg.fmg4s50.pminews@NEWS3.IBM.NET>, "Peter Wadsack" 
<wadsack@ibm.net> writes:
:>  >at the worst possible time, of course.
:>  >
:>  >Finally, I selectively uninstalled, then reinstalled it.  This put it 
out of 
:>  >sync, missing fixpak corrections.
:>  >
:>  >So I discovered that <Service.exe> won't find VoiceType [installed on a 
:>  >different drive than OS/2] to service.  Long story, but I did it 
manually.
:>  >Except now I get:
:>  >
:>  
:>  This may or may not help but... in the FP read me you'll find:
:>  
:>   6.4 RELOCATED OS/2 FILE SUPPORT
:>  
:>     If you have moved OS/2 files or directories to a drive other than the 
one
:>     the SYSLEVEL.OS2 file is on, do the following in order to have them
:>     serviced:
:>  
:>        Create a file named USERDIRS.OS2 in the \OS2\INSTALL directory of 
the
:>        OS\2 Warp 4 partition to be serviced.
:>  
:>        In this file, place the full path to the directories you want to be
:>        serviced. Assuming your boot drive is C: and you installed 
Multimedia
:>        on the D: drive and manually moved WINOS2 support to the E: drive:
:>  
:>         D:\MMOS2
:>         D:\MMOS2\DLL
:>         D:\MMOS2\DSP
:>  
:>  You might try creating this file and reapplying the FP...
:>  
:>   
:>  J. Pedone
:>  jpedone@flash.net
:>  http://www.flash.net/~jpedone
:>   
:>  Windows NT: Vapourware of the desperate and scared.
:>  Beware of Geeks bearing gifs.
:>  

Thanks for the reminder!  I'll try that.  As I installed VT on a different 
drive originally, I assumed OS/2 kept track of that, unlike a manual move.

[Actually, for drag'n'drop to really work, there should be a central registry 
which is updated when things are moved, so that objects keep their 
references]



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From: gail.koontz@quancon.com                           10-Dec-99 12:07:02
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Weird Colors after FP12

From: "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com>

I just applied FP12 (last one was FP7), and everything seemed to come up and
run OK - so far! - except for one thing. My screen now has a really weird
color palette. It's hard for me to say exactly what's wrong, but my current
screen background is a Toulouse-Lautrec nude with red hair, and her hair is
now blue. Everything else is similarly off. I have an Elsa Gloria Synergy
graphics card.

Can anyone make a guess as to what I should change? Assuming everything else
keeps working OK, I'd rather fix one small thing than go back to the previous
level.

Thanks for any help!

 
Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com



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From: wwilly@one.net                                    10-Dec-99 17:23:27
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <38508614.CB07036A@post1.tele.dk>,
  Hans Peter Holm <hpholm@post1.tele.dk> wrote:
> hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu wrote:
> [Deja font size]
> > To be sure, with Comm/2 the fonts are small, but
they are still easily
> > legible. I'm thinking that it's your screen
resolution. I suggest
> > trying 800x600 to see if that's it.
>
> They are using both stylesheets, javascript and
<font size> tags,
> which makes debugging very difficult. The messages
displays in
> something that looks like a helvetica size 1 or
perhaps a little
> larger, when compared to my usual preferences, and
I can't enlarge it
> in Comm/2. (I have bad eyes, but Dejanews has
become even more
> unreadable than it used to be).

Thank you both, Steven & Peter.  So you're seeing it
as 1-point type as well.  That's how it looks here.
Fly specks.  It's only on post pages.  Other pages --
thread lists, searches, the page to create a post --
they all look fine.  They all look like they have for
a long time.  And I have been running 1280x1024 for
as long as I've had my video card, which is
approaching three years now.  1280x1024 displayed
their pages in a small but at least barely legible
font until this past weekend.  Suddenly, something
changed over the weekend.  And it was on their site,
not my system.

I have also tried the Ctrl+] trick to increase font
size & it doesn't do anything.  I tried figuring out
their generated HTML also but I wouldn't call myself
knowledgeable about HTML.  I just look at it & try to
guess by drawing analogies & applying logic.  I got
as far as figuring out that there were a tremendous
lot of </font> tags without any matching <font> tags
to start them off.  What effect that's having I
wouldn't know.

Steven, you'll be pleased to know I did not wait a
couple of days.  In fact, I wrote them again as soon
as I had finished posting that I would wait.  <:-))
But I wouldn't say yet they're being tardy about
responding unless I go through tomorrow without
hearing from them.

Or seeing a change on their site.  (One can always
hope.)

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: gail.koontz@quancon.com                           10-Dec-99 12:41:05
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: Weird Colors after FP12

From: "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:07:05 -0500 (EST), Gail Koontz wrote:

>I just applied FP12 (last one was FP7), and everything seemed to come up and
>run OK - so far! - except for one thing. My screen now has a really weird
>color palette. It's hard for me to say exactly what's wrong, but my current
>screen background is a Toulouse-Lautrec nude with red hair, and her hair is
>now blue. Everything else is similarly off. I have an Elsa Gloria Synergy
>graphics card.
>

Another data point is that the Windows full screen and all the Windows
programs look OK. I tried the old PMMERGE (don't know what it does, but
everyone seemed to think the new one was bad), but it didn't make any
difference.


Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com



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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  10-Dec-99 17:41:05
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Where to report "newly" broken software componets??

From: Rick Kramer <zeppelin@gte.net>

With "improvement" , sometimes comes negative progress. Such is my
dilemma.  Is there still an IBM "report site" where  people can contact
IBM with "defect support" requests?

Preferably via "e-mail" to afford the opportunity to elaborate
accurately the nature of the problem, and the historical "timeline"
where  the problem was introduced by fixpak application, and remains so
to this day.

I have an ATI Rage II card that ran fine under Warp 4 with the ATI
"enhanced" drivers up until Fixpak 8. Every fixpak since has destroyed
the ability to Run "Seamless" Win-OS2 sessions. Until recently, I felt
that the cause was probably related to some  errant file replacement
between the ATI OEM  driver install, and the files  replaced during the
fixpak application, causing  an undocumented incompatibility  between
the various files that ultimately end up being  the "finnished product"



Tain't so.  Recently, I did a "full" reinstall, and after the initial
OS/2 install with the standard 640x480x16 color VGA. driver loaded, The
"seamless" Win-OS2 sessions worked fine. Doing nothing else to the
system but applying  fixpak 10,  I rebooted, and "seamless" sessions
refuse to launch. this is true while still in 640x480x16 color, and
remains  "broken" even after installing Gradd v .80, or any of the
various SDD betas.

Currently, I have Gradd v .80 installed, and have great satisfaction
with 800x600x24 bit at a reasonable refresh Rate, except for the
seamless sessions "zombie" that  just refuses to open.

I can't see where IBM could possibly "dis-own" the responsibility for
this, since it  is now only a matter of their  drivers being installed,
The ATI drivers have never even been in this machine since the
Re-install

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From: ddudley@inspired-designs.net                      10-Dec-99 13:49:21
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: FP 13?

From: David Dudley <ddudley@inspired-designs.net>

I hate to go on record as saying this, but if you read in the official
IBM Software Support manual, on THEIR WEBSITE, it states that you should
"always" update to the latest available fixpack "Before a problem is
noticed".

Seems that IBM says one thing in one place, and another in another.

Later-

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From: wwilly@one.net                                    10-Dec-99 17:52:01
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 14:58:23
Subj: Re: PMPatrol hangs loading (sometimes)

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <wwilly@one.net>

In article <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-HdQrPKouEDg4@localhost>,
  doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:07:58, Joe Farruggio
<Joe_Farruggio@amecom.com>
> wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> (This problem
> seems to be very timing dependant, and may start to
show up, or go
> away, with only minor changes in the startup
sequence).
>
> To "fix" the problem, get your system running, go
to the OS/2 System
> folder, open the Startup folder, and make a copy of
the WarpCenter
> icon in the Startup folder. Then change the above
line to:
> ====================================
> SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,CONNECTIONS
> ====================================
> (should be one line, if it wraps) in CONFIG.SYS.
        <<<snip>>>

Good thought!  (By the way, that should read "make a
SHADOW of the WARP Center in the Startup folder.")
In fact, you might want to review everything that
runs during startup & consider reorganizing it &
controlling it with REXX scripts that use Call
SysSleep to make things run in series instead of in
parallel.  When I upgraded my motherboard, not even
my CPU, to one with a faster bus, all my timings
changed & I had to adjust my delay intervals, which I
was already using.

If you're using Peer, the default configuration
places a NET START REQ command in STARTUP.CMD.  I
recommend moving that elsewhere.  On my office
system, which is connected to a LAN via a NIC, I have
that command in a REXX script that is unconditionally
invoked from the Startup folder.  On my home system,
which has no NIC, only a modem (no home LAN), I have
it neither in STARTUP.CMD nor the Startup folder,
since there's no point in starting the Requester
unless & until I dial my employer.  Part of the
script I use to dial my employer also starts the
Requester after I'm dialed.  I don't start it at all
when I dial my ISP.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     10-Dec-99 19:20:05
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: shutdown problem

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:39:14, "Bill \"Wild Willy\" Kredentser" 
<wwilly@one.net> wrote:

> On 8 Dec 1999, it was written by Doug Bissett:
> > On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:24:33, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser 
> > <wwilly@one.net> wrote:
>         <<<snip>>>
> > As for killing programs, at other times, if you put:
> > SET KILLFEATUREENABLED=ON
> > in your CONFIG.SYS (warp4, anyway), and click the second icon from the
> > left on the WarpCenter, while pressing the Ctrl key, you can select 
> > any program in the list to be killed. This doesn't always work
>         <<<snip>>>
> 
> Indeed.  I have always run with that setting.  My post elsewhere on this
> thread describing a Win-OS/2 session that keeps asking for cancellation at
> shutdown is one such non-working scenario.  Ctrl+MB1 on that WARP Center
> icon does NOT show any Win-OS/2 session so I can't even attempt to kill
> it.  But the system thinks it's there.  It would be nice if it would just
> show up in the list so I COULD kill it; even nicer if the regular Ctrl+Esc
> Window List would show it. And then it would continue to be nice if the
> system would then AGREE to shut down.
> 
> WW
> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
> Deja News says they'll be down for a couple more hours.  Maybe they're
> fixing that font problem....
> 

I don't know if it will help, but I use PMPatrol (which seems to have 
gone away, unfortunately). It has a couple of shutdown options. One 
does a normal shutdown, the other will do a forced shut down. Forced 
shutdown does seem to work, when a normal shutdown won't (although, if
the regular shutdown nails PMPatrol, before it gets hung up, it 
doesn't help since you cannot get to the forced shutdown option). The 
Forced shutdown appears to try to shut everything down, normally, then
waits for a while. If something is still running, it just does 
everything that it can to get that out of the system, then it just 
does a reboot, which does complete the sequence.

Look for PMP43.ZIP, in the usual places. It is shareware, and BMT 
Micro had it listed, but I have no idea if it is still in their list 
of programs.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     10-Dec-99 19:20:06
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: Weird Colors after FP12

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:07:05, "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com> 
wrote:

> I just applied FP12 (last one was FP7), and everything seemed to come up and
> run OK - so far! - except for one thing. My screen now has a really weird
> color palette. It's hard for me to say exactly what's wrong, but my current
> screen background is a Toulouse-Lautrec nude with red hair, and her hair is
> now blue. Everything else is similarly off. I have an Elsa Gloria Synergy
> graphics card.
> 
> Can anyone make a guess as to what I should change? Assuming everything else
> keeps working OK, I'd rather fix one small thing than go back to the
previous
> level.
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> 
>  
> Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
> 836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
> Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com
> 

I assume that you are running in either 16 color mode, or (more 
likely) in 256 color mode. If so, the BEST fix, is to switch to a 65K 
color mode (which may be impractical on your system). Go to System 
Setup-> System-> Screen, and select a 65K color mode-> reboot.  

If you can't (or don't want to) switch to 65K colors, go to System 
Setup-> System-> 256 colors-> and turn on, or off, the Workplace shell
pallete aware check box. Then, you need to check some of your 
programs, for a similar setting. I know that Netscape (all OS/2 
versions) has one. Go into the  preferences-> OS/2 section and you 
should find a check box that is labeled OS/2 Palette aware. PMView has
a setting-> View-> Options-> Palette-> Palette manager. Other programs
may also have similar settings. By experimenting with these settings, 
you should be able to get your colors to work, MOST of the time. Try 
various combinations until you find something that will work.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                09-Dec-99 19:54:02
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: FP 13?

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 Irv Spalten wrote:

> If a Y2K fix should be needed, we'd try to get that out like other Y2K
> fixes, individual not requiring a FP to get it.

Is there/Will there be a Y2K newsletter (maybe OS/2 only) that tells about
Y2K 'hotfixes' if the need will arise after the rollover?
Will the fixes be available via the testcase server or the 'official'
Boulder server?

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                09-Dec-99 20:06:19
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: New Fix Tool?

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 Irv Spalten wrote:

> Now, how did you know it was changed? Program watch the FTP site for you
> or were you just there and happen to notice?

That's the only way to get reliable information about *all* the
updates/fixes for the many different components. I. e. the
"NCS Support News" don't mention Java updates (ok, Java belongs to
Hursley, but it's mirrored to Boulder), Peer FixPaks,
TCP/IP FixPaks/fixes, MPTS FixPaks, which are IMHO important components.

Tracking OS/2 DDPAK On-Line is much easier by checking for new files in
the ftp directory on the Boulder server than clicking through all the
webpages.

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     10-Dec-99 19:35:15
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:00
Subj: Re: OS2 & Toshiba 300CDT Laptop

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:54 -0000, ID wrote:

->I've been trying to install OS2 Warp 3 on a Toshiba 300CDT Laptop.  I
->fdisk'd the hard disk to fat16. I inserted the Installation Diskette which
->brings up an OS2 symbol in the top left cornet of the screen.  After about a
->minute the machine reboots and continually performs the same task again,
->never getting to disk 1.
->
->The machine has a 2.1Gb HD with 80Mb Ram.

Remake the install diskettes from the CD using CDINST.BAT and try again -
this will eliminate a corrupt diskette.


Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: huffd@nls.net                                     10-Dec-99 22:17:06
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:01
Subj: Re: 2GB file size limit

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

If you were using OS/2 Warp for e-business, you could use a JFS partition,
file size limit is 2Tb.

Jules Gilbert wrote:

> Okay, what do I do?
>
> I have a Adobe .pdf file (representing almost 700 pages of a manual)
> which I want to print.
>
> I would like two-sided copy, printed in reverse order on a Z-51 from
> Lexmark.    I'd like two copies but I'm willing to run the print-job
> twice.
>
> I start the job, and of course wait while it 'prints' to an intermediate
> disk file.  But at page 624, this intermediate file first exceeds 2GB
> and the job aborts.  I CAN print the first 623 pages of this 688 page
> manual, but I can't print beyond that.
>
> By this last sentence, I mean that I can't print the entire manual by
> doing the printing as separate segments, say the first half and then the
> second half.  The problem with this is that the the first half, even if
> unprinted, requires file space -- thus the remaining segments never
> happen...  Sigh.
>
> As I see it, I can either seek out a fix to extend OS/2 to bigger than
> 2GB files, or perhaps find another mechanism to print with.
>
> If it matters, this file is the IBM PL/1 language reference manual.
> I'll also have the same problem with the Programmers' Guide.
>
> Last, if more people had been buying OS/2 instead of NT, IBM would have
> fixed the 2GB file limit years ago.  Maybe IBM will look at what's
> happening to MS and reconsider allowing OS2 to fall apart.
>
> What do I do about the printing problem?  Please e-mail me
> jules@acunet.net
>
> Sincerely,
> Jules

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               10-Dec-99 15:59:21
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 20:37:01
Subj: Re: Where to report "newly" broken software componets??

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Rick, use this URL, http://ps.software.ibm.com/index.reg.html, at the
bottom to report problems via e-mail.

Irv Spalten

Rick Kramer wrote:
> 
> With "improvement" , sometimes comes negative progress. Such is my
> dilemma.  Is there still an IBM "report site" where  people can contact
> IBM with "defect support" requests?
> 
> Preferably via "e-mail" to afford the opportunity to elaborate
> accurately the nature of the problem, and the historical "timeline"
> where  the problem was introduced by fixpak application, and remains so
> to this day.

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From: hpholm@post1.tele.dk                              10-Dec-99 05:48:10
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:22
Subj: Re: Communicator problem or Deja News problem?

From: Hans Peter Holm <hpholm@post1.tele.dk>

hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu wrote:

[Deja font size]
> To be sure, with Comm/2 the fonts are small, but they are still easily
> legible. I'm thinking that it's your screen resolution. I suggest
> trying 800x600 to see if that's it.

They are using both stylesheets, javascript and <font size> tags,
which makes debugging very difficult. The messages displays in
something that looks like a helvetica size 1 or perhaps a little
larger, when compared to my usual preferences, and I can't enlarge it
in Comm/2. (I have bad eyes, but Dejanews has become even more
unreadable than it used to be).

-- 
Hans

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From: pfitzsim@NOSPAMBASTARDS!home.com                  10-Dec-99 23:35:08
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: 2GB file size limit

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitzsim@NOSPAMBASTARDS!home.com>

Jules Gilbert wrote:
> 
> Okay, what do I do?
> 
> I have a Adobe .pdf file (representing almost 700 pages of a manual)
> which I want to print.
> 
> I would like two-sided copy, printed in reverse order on a Z-51 from
> Lexmark.    I'd like two copies but I'm willing to run the print-job
> twice.
> 
> I start the job, and of course wait while it 'prints' to an intermediate
> disk file.  But at page 624, this intermediate file first exceeds 2GB

Do you have the printer setting "device format" turned on?  If so, turn
it off. This should shrink the *.spl file remarkably.  It will be
rendered as it is sent to the printer port, instead of as it is spooled.

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From: bumby@lagrange.rutgers.edu                        10-Dec-99 18:13:00
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Weird Colors after FP12

From: bumby@lagrange.rutgers.edu (Richard Bumby)

doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) writes:

>On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:07:05, "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com> 
>wrote:

>> I just applied FP12 (last one was FP7), and everything seemed to come up
and
>> run OK - so far! - except for one thing. My screen now has a really weird
>> color palette. It's hard for me to say exactly what's wrong, but my current
>> screen background is a Toulouse-Lautrec nude with red hair, and her hair is
>> now blue. Everything else is similarly off. I have an Elsa Gloria Synergy
>> graphics card. ...

>I assume that you are running in either 16 color mode, or (more 
>likely) in 256 color mode. ...

I wouldn't assume that -- the Elsa is a high end card (although my 4MB
version can't handle True Color and DIVE at the same time).  Different
programs have had problems with different true color modes:  some
don't like 24 bit; some don't like 32 bit; but the 16 bit (65K colors)
seems very stable for this card.

Enabling and disabling the driver for this card is easy, so I have
always switched to plain, old, ugly VGA when applying a fixpack --
along with removing all WPS enhancements (Object Desktop, Process
Commander, Dialog Enhancer).  If the fixpack updated GRADD, it may
have introduced an incompatibility.  
-- 
R. T. Bumby **  Rutgers Math || Amer. Math. Monthly Problems Editor 1992--1996
bumby@math.rutgers.edu       ||   
Telephone:    [USA] 732-445-0277 (full-time message line) FAX 732-445-5530

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From: gail.koontz@quancon.com                           10-Dec-99 18:58:26
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 21:22:23
Subj: Re: Weird Colors after FP12

From: "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com>

On 10 Dec 1999 19:20:13 GMT, Doug Bissett wrote:

>
>I assume that you are running in either 16 color mode, or (more 
>likely) in 256 color mode. If so, the BEST fix, is to switch to a 65K 
>color mode (which may be impractical on your system). Go to System 
>Setup-> System-> Screen, and select a 65K color mode-> reboot.  

No, I'm running 1024 x 768 x 16Million.


Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com



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From: gail.koontz@quancon.com                           10-Dec-99 20:55:23
  To: All                                               10-Dec-99 23:09:10
Subj: Re: Weird Colors after FP12

From: "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com>

On 10 Dec 1999 18:13:00 -0500, Richard Bumby wrote:

>Enabling and disabling the driver for this card is easy, so I have
>always switched to plain, old, ugly VGA when applying a fixpack --
>along with removing all WPS enhancements (Object Desktop, Process
>Commander, Dialog Enhancer).  If the fixpack updated GRADD, it may
>have introduced an incompatibility.

I've never had a problem before updating with the Elsa driver, but I guess
there's always a first time. 
GRADD.SYS was changed in FP12, so I tried going back to the old one, but it
didn't help. I don't know 
how to figure out which routines are associated with GRADD, so I don't know
whether anything else 
was changed or not. I tried doing a search for *GRADD*.*, but that didn't turn 
up anything but 
GRADD.SY_ in the changed files. Next I'll try reinstalling the Elsa drivers
after reverting to VGA, but I'm 
not sure why that should help.

  
Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com



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