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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                27-Nov-99 01:29:17
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 03:29:02
Subj: K6-3 at 500mhz

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

I have my FIC 503+ MB and K6-3-450 (AFX 2.2v) CPU running stable at
500mhz (5X100) at 2.4v.


Could someone with an Athlon and\or a P3 could post results with the
same applications?

here are some benchmarks:



Sysbench 0.9.4e result file created Fri Nov 26 16:52:17 1999

Machine name       - Unknown machine
Manufacturer       - Unknown manufacturer
Motherboard        - Unknown motherboard
Chipset            - VIA Technologies - VT82C597 / VT82C597AT Apollo
VP3
Processor          - AMD K6-3 PR300 through PR450 AMD-K6(tm) 3D+
Processor stepping 5.9.1
External cache     - 32Kb internal instruction cache, 32Kb internal
data cache
Graphics card      - NVidia - Riva 128 TNT GUI+3D Accelerator
Storage Controller - unknown controller
Storage Controller - VIA Technologies - AMD-645 / VT82C856A/B PBC, IDE
Controller
Storage Controller - VIA Technologies - AMD-645 / VT82C856A/B PBC, IDE
Controller
Machine data
Coprocessor        = Yes
Processors         = 1
RAM                = 255.93 MB

Operating System data
OS/2 version       = 20.40
CSDLevel           = XR0M010_
FIXLevel           = XR0M010_
Revision number    = 9.034
Priority           = Dynamic
Maxwait            = 1
Timeslice          = (32,32)
Protectonly        = NO
Swap file size     = 40.00MB
  ...initially     = 40.00MB

Video data
Resolution         = 1152x864x16 bits/pixel
Number planes      = 0
Screen Access      = Direct
Bank Switched      = No
Bytes/scanline     = 2304
Aperture size      = 16515072
Manufact. code     = 4318
Chipset code       = 32

 Graphics
   BitBlt S->S copy      :      311.666    Million pixels/second
   BitBlt M->S copy      :       21.784    Million pixels/second
   Filled Rectangle      :     1169.424    Million pixels/second
   Pattern Fill          :       32.263    Million pixels/second
   Vertical Lines        :        7.330    Million pixels/second
   Horizontal Lines      :        7.950    Million pixels/second
   Diagonal Lines        :        7.695    Million pixels/second
   Text Render           :       17.265    Million pixels/second

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
   Total                 :      232.377    PM-Graphics-marks

 CPU integer
   Dhrystone             :      699.800    VAX 11/780 MIPS equivalent
   Hanoi                 :      399.000    moves/25 microseconds
   Heapsort              :      255.300    Million Instructions Per
Second
   Sieve                 :      407.400    Million Instructions Per
Second

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
   Total                 :      495.476    CPU integer-marks

 CPU float
   Linpack               :       37.820    MFLOPS
   Flops                 :       88.580    MFLOPS
   Fast Fourier Transfrm :       36.960    VAX FFT's

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
   Total                 :       63.652    CPU floating point-marks

 Direct Interface to video extensions - DIVE
   Video bus bandwidth   :       59.581    Megabytes/second
   DIVE fun              :      213.393    fps normalised to
640x480x256
   M->S, DD,   1.00:1    :      202.647    fps normalised to
640x480x256

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
   Total                 :       76.544    DIVE-marks

 
 Memory
   5    kB copy          :     1834.646    Megabytes/second
   10   kB copy          :     1868.303    Megabytes/second
   20   kB copy          :     1874.678    Megabytes/second
   40   kB copy          :      901.608    Megabytes/second
   80   kB copy          :      633.521    Megabytes/second
   160  kB copy          :      622.456    Megabytes/second
   320  kB copy          :      181.194    Megabytes/second
   640  kB copy          :      146.353    Megabytes/second
   1280 kB copy          :      117.500    Megabytes/second
   5    kB read          :     1099.962    Megabytes/second
   10   kB read          :     1103.598    Megabytes/second
   20   kB read          :     1101.127    Megabytes/second
   40   kB read          :      973.486    Megabytes/second
   80   kB read          :      907.290    Megabytes/second
   160  kB read          :      907.690    Megabytes/second
   320  kB read          :      444.375    Megabytes/second
   640  kB read          :      431.997    Megabytes/second
   1280 kB read          :      355.124    Megabytes/second
   5    kB write         :     1591.553    Megabytes/second
   10   kB write         :     1596.472    Megabytes/second
   20   kB write         :     1594.659    Megabytes/second
   40   kB write         :     1149.717    Megabytes/second
   80   kB write         :      979.968    Megabytes/second
   160  kB write         :      979.174    Megabytes/second
   320  kB write         :      220.329    Megabytes/second
   640  kB write         :      206.652    Megabytes/second
   1280 kB write         :      166.334    Megabytes/second

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
   Total                 :     1029.469    Memory-marks

 
 
 Disk I/O disk 0-2:  8809 MB - QUANTUM FIREBALLP KA9.1 (7200rpm)
   Avg. data access time :       11.600    milliseconds
   Cache/Bus xfer rate   :       25.192    Megabytes/second
   Track 0 xfer rate fwd :       19.494    Megabytes/second
   Middle trk rate fwds. :       16.423    Megabytes/second
   Last track rate bwds. :       11.052    Megabytes/second
   Average Transfer rate :       15.656    Megabytes/second
   Disk use CPU load     :        4.010    percent

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
   Total                 :       93.476    Disk I/O-marks

 
and my very own port, betabyte,  AKA byte\2:

look for it at hobbes.nmsu.edu as bytewarp.zip





BBBBBB    YYY Y     TTT    EEEEEEE   \     222
BBB   B    YYY      TTT    EEE        \   222
BBB   B    YYY      TTT    EEE         \ 222
BBBBBB     YYY      TTT    EEEEEEE      \2222222

BYTEmark (tm) Native Mode OS/2  Benchmark ver. 2 (10/95)
NUMERIC SORT:  Iterations/sec.: 252.660891  Index: 6.479647
STRING SORT:  Iterations/sec.: 30.933689  Index: 13.822024
BITFIELD:  Iterations/sec.: 37381815.760546  Index: 6.412301
FP EMULATION:  Iterations/sec.: 14.892041  Index: 7.145893
FOURIER:  Iterations/sec.: 3883.273381  Index: 4.416434
ASSIGNMENT:  Iterations/sec.: 2.865332  Index: 10.903089
IDEA:  Iterations/sec.: 462.889361  Index: 7.079768
HUFFMAN:  Iterations/sec.: 218.155674  Index: 6.049461
NEURAL NET:  Iterations/sec.: 3.038366  Index: 4.880910
LU DECOMPOSITION:  Iterations/sec.: 72.210123  Index: 3.740856
...done...
===========OVERALL============
INTEGER INDEX: 7.897617
FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 4.320243
 (90 MHz Dell Pentium = 1.00)
==============================

[E:\bytecpu\beta]

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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                27-Nov-99 01:36:06
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 03:29:02
Subj: Re: Viper 770 TNT2

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

I did the same, I copied setup.exe and the NVAGRADD, NVGAGRADD.dsc and
NVGAGRADD.DSP to the GRADD080 floppy and renamed the floppy NVGRADD 1.

Is this what you did?

I uninstalled the SDD drivers, rebooted and installed the gradd
drivers from the floppy. This has cured the loss of cursor when
exiting a fullscreen OS/2 session but I still lose the mouse when
switching from a Xfree86-OS/2 session.

thanks

Duncan Munro
dmunro@sfu.ca

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:00:06 +0100, Filip Westers
<wessie@angelfire.com> wrote:

>Actually I took the GRADD080 drivers and added in all the ascii files
>the details (if neccessary) found in the NVIDIA drivers.
>So in fact I updated the GRADD080 drivers with support for the TNT2
>card and it gave me the neccessary refresh rate by selecting the right
>monitor (or as close as you can get). I added my monitor in the
>monitor-list just to make it a bit easier for myself.
>As stated before the only problem I have is with message boxes and some
>programs displaying the fonts and boxes to large for the screensize I
>selected (1280x1024).
>
>cheers
>Filip Westers
>
>Robert Dohrenburg schreef:
>> 
>> Filip Westers wrote:
>> >
>> > The card runs nicely under os2 and I have only one slight
>> > problem.
>> >
>> > I have a 21" IIyama MF5321 monitor and the display set 1280x1024
>> > at 75Hz. With popup screens (messages) and time868 the fonts are
>> > actually too large.
>> >
>> > If anyone has a solution for this, I'll be gratefull to hear
>> > about this.
>> >
>> > As an exercise I have combined the NVIDIA drivers with the later
>> > ones of GRADD080.
>> >
>> > Filip Westers
>> > wessie at angelfire dot com
>> 
>> Are you sure your refresh rate is at 75Hz? How did you changed the
>> default 60Hz rr?
>> 
>> Robert,

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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                27-Nov-99 04:58:07
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 03:29:03
Subj: Re: Nrivia Diamond Viper V770D Setup

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

Try booting into a full screen session with the alt/F1 option at
bootup and running setvga from thier. reboot and try the install
again.

Duncan

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:28:43 -0500, Peter Moody <moody@cnwl.igs.net>
wrote:

>Hi...
>
>Has anyone successfully setup an Nvidia Diamond Viper V770D AGP in OS/2
>Warp 4.0 / Fixpack 12?  I downloaded the OS/2 drivers from the Nvidia
>site, followed the instructions included with the drivers, they were
>copied to the \OS2\dll\ directory, and the install program said that
>OS/2 must be shutdown or restarted in order to use the new drivers.  I
>restarted OS/2, but the VGA video setting remained [640*480*very few
>colours].  Could the problem be that it is an AGP card????
>
>Hardware Breakdown:
>Dell Precision 210
>PIII 450 Mhz
>128 Mb SD-Ram
>13.3 Gb Hdd
>Diamond Viper V770D 32Mb [AGP]
>3Com - 10/100 Mb NIC
>
>I have tried 3 times, a couple different ways, to no avail.
>
>Does anyone know the trick to get the drivers to work? :o)
>
>Any help would be great!
>
>Thanks
>
>Peter Moody
>

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From: admin@contec.com.pl                               27-Nov-99 10:05:21
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 10:30:01
Subj: Re: K6-3 at 500mhz

From: admin@contec.com.pl (Piotr Oniszczuk)

Hi,

Have You made any special steeps on Your FIC 503+ (BIOS upgr, etc) for
using K6-3 ?
Mine 503+ MoBo hasn't K6-3 listed in support CPU's :-(((

 
Hiroshima'45;   Czernobyl'87;   Windows'95 

Piotr/2
e-mail: admin@contec.com.pl

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 27-Nov-99 15:16:09
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 14:20:21
Subj: Re: K6-3 at 500mhz

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro) wrote:

>I have my FIC 503+ MB and K6-3-450 (AFX 2.2v) CPU running stable at
>500mhz (5X100) at 2.4v.
>
>
>Could someone with an Athlon and\or a P3 could post results with the
>same applications?

Yes this is an interesting question.  I have noticed in the last week
or so that the K6-3 has dissapeared from most of my suppliers price
lists in favour of low end Athlons.  Are they similar in performance?
Or would a 500MHz Athlon beat a 500Mhz K6-3 by a long way?

Cheers,
Craig

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    27-Nov-99 17:02:22
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 16:56:12
Subj: Re: K6-3 at 500mhz

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Mooo (zayne@omen.com.au) wrote:

: Yes this is an interesting question.  I have noticed in the last week
: or so that the K6-3 has dissapeared from most of my suppliers price
: lists in favour of low end Athlons.  Are they similar in performance?
: Or would a 500MHz Athlon beat a 500Mhz K6-3 by a long way?

	K6-3's are going to be eventually phased out from the looks of 
things.  AMD looks like they will make a K6-2+ which is something like 
the K6-3, but instead of a 256k cache it will only have a 128k cache.  
The reason you have never seen any AMD K6-3 500Mhz CPU's for instence is 
because AMD was afraid it would eat into their Athlon 500Mhz sales.  AMD 
is really pushing hard for the Athlon.  They may keep the K6-3 around but 
probably only for laptops.

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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                27-Nov-99 18:39:09
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 16:56:12
Subj: Re: K6-3 at 500mhz

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

I have a FIC 503+ V1.2a and I'm using the latest bios.

Duncan


On 27 Nov 1999 10:05:42 GMT, admin@contec.com.pl (Piotr Oniszczuk)
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Have You made any special steeps on Your FIC 503+ (BIOS upgr, etc) for
>using K6-3 ?
>Mine 503+ MoBo hasn't K6-3 listed in support CPU's :-(((
>
> 
>Hiroshima'45;   Czernobyl'87;   Windows'95 
>
>Piotr/2
>e-mail: admin@contec.com.pl

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From: nospamless@home.com                               27-Nov-99 20:15:17
  To: All                                               27-Nov-99 16:56:12
Subj: Re: K6-3 at 500mhz

From: "gH" <nospamless@home.com>

In <383ff568.1408176@news.omen.net.au>, on 11/27/99 
   at 03:16 PM, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>Yes this is an interesting question.  I have noticed in the last week or so
>that the K6-3 has dissapeared from most of my suppliers price lists in
>favour of low end Athlons.  Are they similar in performance? Or would a
>500MHz Athlon beat a 500Mhz K6-3 by a long way?

Integer Performance K6-III > K7, MHz for MHz.
Float Point Performance K7 > K6-III, by a LONG shot.

For example, SETI@Home is a very FPU intensive program, and K7 611 (550
overclocked) can finish one WU in 6.5Hr. Personally, I'm in favour of K7...
:) Much easier to overclock too... :)


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From: greywolf@onlink.net                               27-Nov-99 18:36:05
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 00:25:05
Subj: Re: Singleq$ on bootup in VGA mode

From: "Wolf Kirchmeir" <greywolf@onlink.net>

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:37:36 GMT, noonewhatsoever@my-deja.com wrote:

=>I can't think of anything else to try.  Any
=>help would be greatly appreciated, as the WSeB
=>machine that is down is used by many people in
=>our office on a regular basis.

I escaped from a similar problem by using an archive of the previous
condition of the desktop -- had to go back two levels, though.

I archive current desktop, then make hardware changes, the archive the new
state of the machine when it works properly. Of course, I keep the old card
around until the new card works...




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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    28-Nov-99 02:54:03
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 00:25:06
Subj: Matrox Millenium II PCI vs. AOpen AW35 ISA

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

	Just got a Matrox Millenium II PCI card and so far am loving it.  
However, I have discovered a problem in conjunction with my AOpen AW35 
Pro ISA soundcard (Crystal Semiconductor chipset).  Ok, I install the 
Matrox drivers (2.31.00, the card's BIOS is already at v1.5, BTW).  
Everything is working fine.  Now, when I install the soundcard driver, 
bang, Win-OS/2 is gone.  It just doesn't load up.  Now here is the weird 
part, if I install the MGA GRADD driver than I get Win-OS/2 back again.  
Has anyone else seen a problem like that?  Not that I am complaining 
since as long as it works is fine by me, but I would prefer the Matrox 
drivers mainly for its Win-OS/2 performance.

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From: wessie@angelfire.com                              28-Nov-99 13:17:10
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 10:27:20
Subj: Re: Viper 770 TNT2

From: Filip Westers <wessie@angelfire.com>

No I took all the details found in the NVIDIA ascii files and added them
at the appropiate GRADD080 ascii files and as for the other ones I
compared them to which one was newer.
Sofar I have not experienced any loss of mouse cursor in any sessions
but I must add I do not run XFree86.


Duncan Munro schreef:
> 
> I did the same, I copied setup.exe and the NVAGRADD, NVGAGRADD.dsc and
> NVGAGRADD.DSP to the GRADD080 floppy and renamed the floppy NVGRADD 1.
> 
> Is this what you did?
> 
> I uninstalled the SDD drivers, rebooted and installed the gradd
> drivers from the floppy. This has cured the loss of cursor when
> exiting a fullscreen OS/2 session but I still lose the mouse when
> switching from a Xfree86-OS/2 session.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Duncan Munro
> dmunro@sfu.ca
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:00:06 +0100, Filip Westers
> <wessie@angelfire.com> wrote:
> 
> >Actually I took the GRADD080 drivers and added in all the ascii files
> >the details (if neccessary) found in the NVIDIA drivers.
> >So in fact I updated the GRADD080 drivers with support for the TNT2
> >card and it gave me the neccessary refresh rate by selecting the right
> >monitor (or as close as you can get). I added my monitor in the
> >monitor-list just to make it a bit easier for myself.
> >As stated before the only problem I have is with message boxes and some
> >programs displaying the fonts and boxes to large for the screensize I
> >selected (1280x1024).
> >
> >cheers
> >Filip Westers
> >
> >Robert Dohrenburg schreef:
> >>
> >> Filip Westers wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The card runs nicely under os2 and I have only one slight
> >> > problem.
> >> >
> >> > I have a 21" IIyama MF5321 monitor and the display set 1280x1024
> >> > at 75Hz. With popup screens (messages) and time868 the fonts are
> >> > actually too large.
> >> >
> >> > If anyone has a solution for this, I'll be gratefull to hear
> >> > about this.
> >> >
> >> > As an exercise I have combined the NVIDIA drivers with the later
> >> > ones of GRADD080.
> >> >
> >> > Filip Westers
> >> > wessie at angelfire dot com
> >>
> >> Are you sure your refresh rate is at 75Hz? How did you changed the
> >> default 60Hz rr?
> >>
> >> Robert,

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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                28-Nov-99 18:27:17
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 16:57:23
Subj: Re: Viper 770 TNT2

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

That sounds like a complicated process. Maybe you could post your
files on hobbes. 

At the least I would appreciate if you could email them to me.

thanks

Duncan Munro

dmunro@sfu.ca

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:17:20 +0100, Filip Westers
<wessie@angelfire.com> wrote:

>No I took all the details found in the NVIDIA ascii files and added them
>at the appropiate GRADD080 ascii files and as for the other ones I
>compared them to which one was newer.
>Sofar I have not experienced any loss of mouse cursor in any sessions
>but I must add I do not run XFree86.
>
>
>Duncan Munro schreef:
>> 
>> I did the same, I copied setup.exe and the NVAGRADD, NVGAGRADD.dsc and
>> NVGAGRADD.DSP to the GRADD080 floppy and renamed the floppy NVGRADD 1.
>> 
>> Is this what you did?
>> 
>> I uninstalled the SDD drivers, rebooted and installed the gradd
>> drivers from the floppy. This has cured the loss of cursor when
>> exiting a fullscreen OS/2 session but I still lose the mouse when
>> switching from a Xfree86-OS/2 session.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> Duncan Munro
>> dmunro@sfu.ca
>> 
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:00:06 +0100, Filip Westers
>> <wessie@angelfire.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Actually I took the GRADD080 drivers and added in all the ascii files
>> >the details (if neccessary) found in the NVIDIA drivers.
>> >So in fact I updated the GRADD080 drivers with support for the TNT2
>> >card and it gave me the neccessary refresh rate by selecting the right
>> >monitor (or as close as you can get). I added my monitor in the
>> >monitor-list just to make it a bit easier for myself.
>> >As stated before the only problem I have is with message boxes and some
>> >programs displaying the fonts and boxes to large for the screensize I
>> >selected (1280x1024).
>> >
>> >cheers
>> >Filip Westers
>> >
>> >Robert Dohrenburg schreef:
>> >>
>> >> Filip Westers wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > The card runs nicely under os2 and I have only one slight
>> >> > problem.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a 21" IIyama MF5321 monitor and the display set 1280x1024
>> >> > at 75Hz. With popup screens (messages) and time868 the fonts are
>> >> > actually too large.
>> >> >
>> >> > If anyone has a solution for this, I'll be gratefull to hear
>> >> > about this.
>> >> >
>> >> > As an exercise I have combined the NVIDIA drivers with the later
>> >> > ones of GRADD080.
>> >> >
>> >> > Filip Westers
>> >> > wessie at angelfire dot com
>> >>
>> >> Are you sure your refresh rate is at 75Hz? How did you changed the
>> >> default 60Hz rr?
>> >>
>> >> Robert,

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From: billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net                28-Nov-99 13:50:16
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 16:57:23
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: "Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

My only concern about SDD is that since they got into bed with IBM that it
will there won't be a full release until after the end of the year, and that
it will be through IBM, and you will have to pay their outrageous sign up fee
just to download it.  Then where will everyone be when their beta finally
expires, and they don't want to pay the sign up fee for only one little
program?


Bill
Team OS/2

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           28-Nov-99 21:45:26
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 19:47:01
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:50:33, "Billy Ko" 
<billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> My only concern about SDD is that since they got into bed with IBM that it
> will there won't be a full release until after the end of the year, and that
> it will be through IBM, and you will have to pay their outrageous sign up
fee
> just to download it.  Then where will everyone be when their beta finally
> expires, and they don't want to pay the sign up fee for only one little
> program?
> 
> 

I believe the annoucement for the "free" version from
IBM was that it would be distributed through the
Device Driver Pack web site. This site AFAIK
is not included in the "fee based" software choice
offering.

The IBM licenced offering will not include 3D
acceleration or other advanced features. Those
will be in the Scitech "pay for it" version.

Outside of a few bugs (beta software after all)
the Scitech driver is a very nice piece of software.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net                            28-Nov-99 22:27:16
  To: All                                               28-Nov-99 19:47:01
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net

In <ovyyxbcbfgbssvprjbeyqargnggarg.flx8c90.pminews@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
"Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> writes:
>My only concern about SDD is that since they got into bed with IBM that it
>will there won't be a full release until after the end of the year, and that
>it will be through IBM, and you will have to pay their outrageous sign up fee
>just to download it.  Then where will everyone be when their beta finally
>expires, and they don't want to pay the sign up fee for only one little
>program?
>
>
>Bill
>Team OS/2

We should all be happy  that IBM likes the "concept" and has decided to
get into it.  

If you have been following this beta closely you will have noticed how
little progress had been made up until the IBM entry, and how badly
the project was floundering through the summer months.  I think Scitech
was a little overoptimistic about it, and got overwhelmed by the enormity
of it, after they got into it.  They also discovered problems with the
underlying
gradd component, which could only be fixed by IBM.  After they asked
IBM for it's help with the gradd problems, IBM promised to do so, but I guess
their interest was sparked further than just the gradd issue, because they
bought into the whole enchilada.

This is good, because other companies have taken IBM's defective driver
models and used them to build drivers for their own chips without correcting
any of the deficiencies. My personal opinion is that IBM's efforts in the OS/2
video area have been minimal, and, making things worse, have been
undercut by the chipmakers who refused (or maybe just did not know how)
to do their job by writing decent OS/2 drivers--and that includes Tseng,
Cirrus Logic, ATI, Matrox, S3, and the rest.
 
Maybe, just maybe, we'll see this all get fixed up for the better, and
everyone will profit--Scitech, IBM, all the video chip and board makers,
and eventually, you and me and all the other OS/2 users and fans.

And, as for payment, these folks are trying to make a living--so it's
time for us all to cough up.  I registered my copy of SDD last March, on
the come, so to speak, and if anyone else wants their permanent copy,
they should be willing to pay a reasonable fee also.

It looks like this project may have a new life.

Keep your fingers crossed--but don't hold your breath.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
Plymouth, MN
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From: larijani@arrow.utias.utoronto.ca                  29-Nov-99 00:21:29
  To: All                                               29-Nov-99 03:35:22
Subj: Re: ATI Rage II drivers

From: larijani@arrow.utias.utoronto.ca (Rambod Larijani)

I think the same driver works for both. I am planning to get 
an ATI Rage II AGP card. If Rage Pro is AGP too then I am
interested in knowing about your experiences installing 
the driver and using it.

Thanks.

Rambod Larijani

In article <383B3B3C.2ABD6F94@apexmail.com>, cm <adamo@apexmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>are you refering to the ATI rage PRO card  with  32 meg ??
>

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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        25-Nov-99 13:11:07
  To: steeltoe@kickass.com                              29-Nov-99 10:04:16
Subj: Re: Tseng ET6000

To: steeltoe@kickass.com
From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

steeltoe@kickass.com wrote:
 
> Looking for OS/2 drivers for my Jaton video card which
> uses a Tseng ET6000 chip. IBM's sites don't seem to have
> this and www.tseng.com seems to be shut down. Was this
> chipset ever supported for Warp 4.0?
 
> Stuck in 640x480 16colors.

ftp://ftp.jaton.com/vga/video58p/Et6OS2v4.zip should be the summer 1997
Tseng generic distribution
-- 
He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers
harm.                Proverbs 13:20 NKJV

 Team OS/2

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        29-Nov-99 17:18:01
  To: All                                               29-Nov-99 16:52:20
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:19:18 GMT, Bruce LaZerte <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > The IBM licenced offering will not include 3D
> > acceleration or other advanced features. Those
> > will be in the Scitech "pay for it" version.
> 
> But why would we want them? Unless 3D acceleration is tied into OpenGl, 
> which I don't believe is going to happen. 

Don't know about 3d myself, but some of the feature proposals SciTech
has been tossing about for the "pay" version certainly catch my interest,
e.g. TV tuner support, and anti-aliased fonts.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu                     29-Nov-99 18:01:00
  To: All                                               29-Nov-99 16:52:20
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu

In article <bsV3ehsibPZd-pn2-3zrL21x4hbxN@ASUSP2333>,
  nospam@nospam.com (Bruce LaZerte) wrote:

> But why would we want them? Unless 3D acceleration is tied into
> OpenGl, which I don't believe is going to happen.

That's the plan. Beyond what the free (IBM) version will do, the
"pay-for-it" version of SDD has:

-Custom resolutions (as low as 256x256 to as high as your video card and
monitor can go) including HDTV resolutions and weird stuff like 1024x400
-"Portrate" monitor support
-On-the-fly resolution and color depth switching
-Multiple display adapter support
-Flat panel support

I'm buying two copies myself...

--
-Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |But on the other hand...|
hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |There's 5 more fingers. |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 29-Nov-99 17:00:25
  To: All                                               29-Nov-99 16:52:21
Subj: Re: K6-3 at 500mhz

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:

>	K6-3's are going to be eventually phased out from the looks of 
>things.  AMD looks like they will make a K6-2+ which is something like 
>the K6-3, but instead of a 256k cache it will only have a 128k cache.  
>The reason you have never seen any AMD K6-3 500Mhz CPU's for instence is 
>because AMD was afraid it would eat into their Athlon 500Mhz sales.  AMD 
>is really pushing hard for the Athlon.  They may keep the K6-3 around but 
>probably only for laptops.
>

Which will effectively mean the end of Socket 7 I think.  I have not
seen a new Cyrix in ages, though I know they are still sold, I just
wonder to whom?

Craig

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    29-Nov-99 19:39:28
  To: All                                               29-Nov-99 16:52:21
Subj: Re: K6-3 at 500mhz

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Mooo (zayne@omen.com.au) wrote:

: Which will effectively mean the end of Socket 7 I think.  I have not
: seen a new Cyrix in ages, though I know they are still sold, I just
: wonder to whom?

	Cyrix was bought out by VIA (whom also bought out the WinChip 
division from IDT).  Socket 7 is pretty much dead in terms of future 
upgradability, but I wouldn't look at it with doom or gloom.  I say bravo 
for AMD and Cyrix for going against the grain and sticking things out 
with socket 7 whose live really lasted much longer than Intel ever had 
imagined.
	Cyrix under the guise of VIA will be putting out a socket 370 
processor, BTW.

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From: Roland.Pinches@pmail.net                          30-Nov-99 01:41:04
  To: All                                               30-Nov-99 03:28:12
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: "Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net>

Check out the SciTech news server. Lots of feedback about Beta 11 (more than
any of the other betas I think...). If you haven't been there before it is :
news://scitech.display.doctor.os2.beta

To sort out refresh rates, you need to play about with the extra utils that
are packaged with SDD. Things like GACtrl and GAMon can control refresh rates
and centering. Check out the readme files too.

Roly.

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:33:41 GMT, Mark Klebanoff wrote:

>Well, maybe I'll fool with it some more over the weekend.  I did get 
>it to install by re-setting to VGA, but I couldn't get it to 
>configure.
>
>On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:41:55, "Roland Pinches" 
><Roland.Pinches@pmail.net> wrote:
>
>> I too installed Beta 11 yesterday, but instead of installing over the
>> currently installed drivers, I reset to VGA first (call me old fashioned if
>> you like, but it sure helps when playing with video drivers). I also
checked
>> out the Scitech news server to see if anyone else had had problems with the
>> drivers.
>> 
>> I then ran the installation program, selected the 'Custom' route, but
during
>> the install I received a SYS3175 type message, but after clearing the
message
>> the install continued ok. I let the install program reboot my system.
>> 
>> Having read articles on the Scitech news server, I knew what was wrong when 
I
>> rebooted and everything still looked like VGA. Changed to the C:\SDD\DISK
>> directory and ran SETUP SDD. Rebooted again and now everything is fine.
>> 
>> The only problems I have found are minor screen repainting issues ie: when
>> you drag a window around the screen, it leaves bits behind. Not a problem
>> since if you move the window over them again it clears them. This doesn't
>> happen all the time either so I can live with it :-)
>> 
>> FYI, I have a Matrox G200 AGP, Dual PII 400MHz and am my screen resolution
is
>> set to 1152 x 864 x 16million @ 85Hz.
>> 
>> Roly.
>> 
>> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:11:39 GMT, Mark Klebanoff wrote:
>> 
>> >I just installed SDD beta 11 over top of beta 9. Although the readme 
>> >file said you could do that, on the re-boot I got an error that said
>> >unsupported pm_imports input called! please re-compile
>> >
>> >I reset to VGA and beta 11 installed and booted OK.
>> >
>> >However, when I went into the config utility and tried to set to 
>> >1024x768 by 16 bit, 100hz, when I exited the config program I got a 
>> >corrupted screen.  I got that with multiple different resolutions, 
>> >color depths and refresh rates.  On rebooting I couldn't get the 
>> >driver out of basic VGA.
>> >
>> >I re-installed beta 9 and things are back to normal.
>> >
>> >I have a PII-300, IDE system with Daniella's drivers, and a Matrox 
>> >G200.
>> >
>> >I guess it's back to the drawing board on this one.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>



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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           29-Nov-99 21:16:07
  To: All                                               30-Nov-99 03:28:13
Subj: Re: Viper 770 TNT2

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

Duncan Munro wrote:
> 
> That sounds like a complicated process. Maybe you could post your
> files on hobbes.
> 
> At the least I would appreciate if you could email them to me.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Duncan Munro
> 
> dmunro@sfu.ca
> 
> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:17:20 +0100, Filip Westers
> <wessie@angelfire.com> wrote:
> 
> >No I took all the details found in the NVIDIA ascii files and added them
> >at the appropiate GRADD080 ascii files and as for the other ones I
> >compared them to which one was newer.
> >Sofar I have not experienced any loss of mouse cursor in any sessions
> >but I must add I do not run XFree86.
> >
> >
> >Duncan Munro schreef:
> >>
> >> I did the same, I copied setup.exe and the NVAGRADD, NVGAGRADD.dsc and
> >> NVGAGRADD.DSP to the GRADD080 floppy and renamed the floppy NVGRADD 1.
> >>
> >> Is this what you did?
> >>
> >> I uninstalled the SDD drivers, rebooted and installed the gradd
> >> drivers from the floppy. This has cured the loss of cursor when
> >> exiting a fullscreen OS/2 session but I still lose the mouse when
> >> switching from a Xfree86-OS/2 session.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
> >> Duncan Munro
> >> dmunro@sfu.ca
> >>
> >> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:00:06 +0100, Filip Westers
> >> <wessie@angelfire.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Actually I took the GRADD080 drivers and added in all the ascii files
> >> >the details (if neccessary) found in the NVIDIA drivers.
> >> >So in fact I updated the GRADD080 drivers with support for the TNT2
> >> >card and it gave me the neccessary refresh rate by selecting the right
> >> >monitor (or as close as you can get). I added my monitor in the
> >> >monitor-list just to make it a bit easier for myself.
> >> >As stated before the only problem I have is with message boxes and some
> >> >programs displaying the fonts and boxes to large for the screensize I
> >> >selected (1280x1024).
> >> >
> >> >cheers
> >> >Filip Westers
> >> >
> >> >Robert Dohrenburg schreef:
> >> >>
> >> >> Filip Westers wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The card runs nicely under os2 and I have only one slight
> >> >> > problem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a 21" IIyama MF5321 monitor and the display set 1280x1024
> >> >> > at 75Hz. With popup screens (messages) and time868 the fonts are
> >> >> > actually too large.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If anyone has a solution for this, I'll be gratefull to hear
> >> >> > about this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As an exercise I have combined the NVIDIA drivers with the later
> >> >> > ones of GRADD080.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Filip Westers
> >> >> > wessie at angelfire dot com
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you sure your refresh rate is at 75Hz? How did you changed the
> >> >> default 60Hz rr?
> >> >>
> >> >> Robert,

Yes, I too would like to get a detailed description of the process.
Looks like black magic to me ... but if it works who cares.

Fortunately there is a small pond next to where I live so I can get the
frog legs very easy, Mandrake and Nightshade ... well that will take
more time <g>

Robert,

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From: steveef@att.net                                   30-Nov-99 06:38:13
  To: All                                               30-Nov-99 03:28:14
Subj: Get Paid While You Surf The Web!!!  3805

From: steveef@att.net

Get paid while you surf the web here:
http://www.alladvantage.com/home.asp?refid=FCJ475


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  To: All                                               30-Nov-99 10:24:19
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From: nospam@nospam.com                                 29-Nov-99 13:19:09
  To: All                                               30-Nov-99 11:23:02
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: nospam@nospam.com (Bruce LaZerte)

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:45:52, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:

> The IBM licenced offering will not include 3D
> acceleration or other advanced features. Those
> will be in the Scitech "pay for it" version.

But why would we want them? Unless 3D acceleration is tied into OpenGl, 
which I don't believe is going to happen. 

----------------------
Bruce LaZerte 	
Muskoka,Ontario,Canada
freshwat at muskoka dot com	

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     29-Nov-99 15:25:00
  To: All                                               30-Nov-99 11:23:03
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:19:18, nospam@nospam.com (Bruce LaZerte) wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:45:52, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
> 
> > The IBM licenced offering will not include 3D
> > acceleration or other advanced features. Those
> > will be in the Scitech "pay for it" version.
> 
> But why would we want them? Unless 3D acceleration is tied into OpenGl, 
> which I don't believe is going to happen. 
> 
> ----------------------
> Bruce LaZerte 	
> Muskoka,Ontario,Canada
> freshwat at muskoka dot com	

Why not?  OpenGL isn't just for games, if that's your reason.

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: nospam@nospam.com                                 30-Nov-99 13:14:17
  To: All                                               30-Nov-99 14:39:12
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: nospam@nospam.com (Bruce LaZerte)

On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:25:01, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) wrote:

> > But why would we want them? Unless 3D acceleration is tied into OpenGl, 
> > which I don't believe is going to happen. 
> > 
> Why not?  OpenGL isn't just for games, if that's your reason.

Exactly, that's why it's disappointing that OS/2's OpenGL will apparently 
*NOT* be hardware accelerated, by Scitech or IBM.  

If you can't access 3D acceleration through OpenGL, what's the point? 

The other features of SciTech's display drivers (e.g. TV Tuner support) are
not that useful to me, though it's nice to know that they are available if 
needed. The one exception might be anti-alias support, but I would have to 
see it first.

----------------------
Bruce LaZerte 	
Muskoka,Ontario,Canada
freshwat at muskoka dot com	

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From: chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk                       29-Nov-99 21:52:03
  To: All                                               01-Dec-99 00:35:06
Subj: Re: SDD beta 11- hiss, boo

From: chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk (Chris H Lindley)

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:27:32 GMT, jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net wrote:
>In <ovyyxbcbfgbssvprjbeyqargnggarg.flx8c90.pminews@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, 
"Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>My only concern about SDD is that since they got into bed with IBM that it
>>will there won't be a full release until after the end of the year, and that
>>it will be through IBM, and you will have to pay their outrageous sign up
fee
>>just to download it.  Then where will everyone be when their beta finally
>>expires, and they don't want to pay the sign up fee for only one little
>>program?
>>
>>
>>Bill
>>Team OS/2
>
>We should all be happy  that IBM likes the "concept" and has decided to
>get into it.  

>>>>snipped bits <<<<<<

> 
>Maybe, just maybe, we'll see this all get fixed up for the better, and
>everyone will profit--Scitech, IBM, all the video chip and board makers,
>and eventually, you and me and all the other OS/2 users and fans.
>
>And, as for payment, these folks are trying to make a living--so it's
>time for us all to cough up.  I registered my copy of SDD last March, on
>the come, so to speak, and if anyone else wants their permanent copy,
>they should be willing to pay a reasonable fee also.
>
>It looks like this project may have a new life.

I coudldn;t agree more!! Although I'm running the Matrox
drivers for my MillII at the moment, I have run and bought SDD.

Money well spent I think!

Cheers
Chris


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  chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk     Ferg on #os/2 and #os2uk, EFnet  
  WarpUK:UK OS/2 Users group                   www.warp.in-uk.net  
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From: sh0dan@ZZZvoxpod.dk                               01-Dec-99 18:39:00
  To: All                                               01-Dec-99 20:38:00
Subj: GeForce on OS/2?

From: sh0dan@ZZZvoxpod.dk (sh0dan)

Hi folks!

I'm just about to buy a new computer, and since I'm also doing some 
3D-works (under windows), the graphic card will probably be with an 
nVidia GeForce chip. I realize there is no drivers (yet), and I would 
therefore like to know how it performs with generic drivers (SDD or 
GRADD SVGA) in regard to performance and refresh rates.

Has anyone any any experiences with this card under OS/2, they would 
like to share.


/sh0dan.

Doing Java Code for VoxPod Enterprises.

[email reply: Remove uppercase characters from my email address]

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From: katholi@attglobal.net                             02-Dec-99 02:46:25
  To: All                                               02-Dec-99 03:28:00
Subj: RAGEPRO.ZIP of OS/2 BBS

From: katholi@attglobal.net

Greetings,

	I noticed and downloaded a file called RAGEPRO.ZIP from the OS/2
BBS (www.os2bbs.com) and after unzipping, it appears to be possibly some
updated drivers for the Rage Pro from ATI. Does anyone know anything
about these?  It was hard to get this card to work in the first place and
I sure don't want to mess things up...but I am still curious.

Charles

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Dec-99 03:09:28
  To: All                                               02-Dec-99 03:28:00
Subj: Re: RAGEPRO.ZIP of OS/2 BBS

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

katholi@attglobal.net wrote:

: 	I noticed and downloaded a file called RAGEPRO.ZIP from the OS/2
: BBS (www.os2bbs.com) and after unzipping, it appears to be possibly some
: updated drivers for the Rage Pro from ATI. Does anyone know anything
: about these?  It was hard to get this card to work in the first place and
: I sure don't want to mess things up...but I am still curious.

	They are not from ATI, they are from IBM.  Check and see if it 
matches in file size with the one at Hobbes.  I know that the most recent 
was uploaded there.


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From: stephenholden@home.com                            02-Dec-99 08:15:13
  To: All                                               02-Dec-99 15:58:13
Subj: Re: GeForce on OS/2?

From: Stephen Holden <stephenholden@home.com>

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 18:39:01 GMT, sh0dan@ZZZvoxpod.dk (sh0dan) wrote:

>Hi folks!
>
>I'm just about to buy a new computer, and since I'm also doing some 
>3D-works (under windows), the graphic card will probably be with an 
>nVidia GeForce chip. I realize there is no drivers (yet), and I would 
>therefore like to know how it performs with generic drivers (SDD or 
>GRADD SVGA) in regard to performance and refresh rates.
>
>Has anyone any any experiences with this card under OS/2, they would 
>like to share.
>
>
>/sh0dan.
>
>Doing Java Code for VoxPod Enterprises.
>

I asked ELSA if they planned to release nV10 drivers for OS/2, and
they said that decision hadn't been made yet.  Supposed to hear more
about it in December.  
At least they didn't just say NO....
--

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             02-Dec-99 20:23:00
  To: All                                               02-Dec-99 16:42:03
Subj: Re: RAGEPRO.ZIP of OS/2 BBS

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:46:50, katholi@attglobal.net wrote:

> 	I noticed and downloaded a file called RAGEPRO.ZIP from the OS/2
> BBS (www.os2bbs.com) and after unzipping, it appears to be possibly some
> updated drivers for the Rage Pro from ATI. Does anyone know anything
> about these?  It was hard to get this card to work in the first place and
> I sure don't want to mess things up...but I am still curious.
 
It apparently only works with early Rage Pro chip sets.  It will not
work with my Rage Pro 3D AGP.


                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com                     03-Dec-99 03:38:24
  To: All                                               03-Dec-99 03:35:08
Subj: Re: Tseng ET6000

From: Phillip Davenport <phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com>

steeltoe@kickass.com wrote:
> Looking for OS/2 drivers for my Jaton video card which
> uses a Tseng ET6000 chip..

Try Jaton - </ftp://ftp.jaton.com/vga/video58p/>

  p

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