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From: mwalsh1@elp.rr.com                                19-Nov-99 18:47:22
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:01
Subj: Re: Who posts hardware ratings?

From: "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com>

PC Magazine has a pretty fair collection of ratings at their site.

On 19 Nov 1999 17:15:13 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:

>Does anyone know of a site that rates hardware for PC's similar to the
>magazine Consumer Reports?
>
>I've tried a few sites and found a few ratings but either the list of
>hardware is very spotty or it's a nightmare wading through all of the
>links. 
>
>BTW, I hope the wide cross posting doesn't annoy anyone but this 
>has been one of the most frustrating things I've searched for on the 
>net.
>
>                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com
>


Matt Walsh  	OS/2 Outpost
El Paso, TX	Computin' & Shootin' in the dust.


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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  21-Nov-99 09:56:13
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: (1/2) Re: UPDATE: How to set partition Installable ???

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Well "thanks" seems a rather an insufficient expression of gratitude for
that very comprehensive and detailed reply!<g>
I'll attempt to do credit to your efforts by studying carefully and
eventually locating a spare >8Gb IDE in order to try it myself. (That
should effectively shut me up for a month at least, much to everyones
relief no doubt - Merry Xmas!)

In meantime I've commented by interspersing tween you remarks in hope
that someone else may have experimented or can provide some further
insight to avoid me getting off my lazy butt and eventually trying it
myself<g>

No offense or ingratitude intended after your patient and detailed
explanation but I just hate inconclusive answers supported by (albeit
very worthy<g>) theory/speculation that is not yet totally borne out by
experimental observation.
...and don't think your remark about FAT32 past 1024 cyl and a
"disasterous fool" didn't go unoticed either<vbg>......

Mike Ruskai wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:28:36 +0000, Tony Wright wrote:
>
> >Mike Ruskai wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 Nov 1999 18:18:28 GMT, TodMorcott@morcott.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >In <382ECC73.64D55896@att.net>, "Gregory L. Marx" <skidmarx@att.net>
writes:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Mike Ruskai wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:24:59 -0500, Gregory L. Marx wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Any ideas?
> >> >>I'm stumped ...
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks,
> >> >>Gregory L. Marx
> >> >>skidmarx@att.net
> >> >
> >> >I found that I could not partion more than 1024 cylinders on aa 13 Gb
> >> >disk with PartionMagic V5.0 but I could with V3.0.
> >> >Thanks to Daniela for pointing the problem out.
> >>
> >> That's because PQM v4 and later don't have OS/2 executables.  OS/2 can
> >> deal with a drive beyond 1024 cylinders, but DOS cannot.
> >>
> >> So, if you're using a large drive without translation, PQM's DOS
> >> executable simply can't deal with it.  Did they even put a non-DOS
> >> executable in the v4 and v5 products?  Version 3 only includes DOS and
> >> OS/2, where the DOS one looks like a Win95 program (which it's not).
> >>
> >
> >Mike,
> >Ok that's a very helpful clarification/explanation, but remember one
> >reason for PQM V4 release was allegedly(according to PQ's blurb) to
> >fully support >8Gb HDD's along with supplying W9x/NT native
> >executables.....so....
> >A somewhat tenuously related question perhaps, but the implication from
> >your statement and the above is that V3(OS2) is therefore still usuable
> >but I would also add: only presumably if you don't have a FAT32
> >partition on a >1024cyl(>8Gb) HDD?
>
> That's a question I'm afraid I can't answer.  The largest drive I have in
> any system right now is 6GB.  I have right about 6GB free across all the
> drives on the network, so I'm not in much of a hurry to get a big, fancy
> new drive <g>.
>
> Under OS/2, there is but one way to read a physical drive directly, and
> that's using DosDevIOCtl() category 9 functions.
>
> There's nothing I can think of in a possible implementation that would
> cause a program to break at the 8GB point.

Completely counter to your point/context I admit, but Ask IBM -  they
managed it with the old IDE drivers.... so I'm sure they could find a
way<g>.

>  So, my best guess is that provided the driver in use by OS/2 can handle
> drivers greater than 8GB, so can PQM v3.
>
> >I say that because despite similiar assurances from Trevor H that OS/2
> >V3 executable still works on large drives(and like you he's inevitably
> >usually correct if not always consistently plausible<g>), V3(OS/2)
> >Partition Resize option wasn't displayed for me on a 10.8Gb FAT32 and I
> >had to therefore use V4 from a W9x partition(or bootable rescue disk)
> >instead.
> >
> >At Trevors suggestion I also checked that I wasn't booting with Int13
> >driver and although bearing in mind this alleged FAT32 restriction seems
> >somewhat plausible given OS/2 itself doesn't recognise FAT32 without
> >additional IFS drivers loaded(and the somewhat unrelated fact that
> >OS2boot ldr isn't LBA aware either<g>), I'm still wondering if I hadn't
> >missed something else more obvious like some bios translation
> >configuration anomaly specific to the Gigabyte MB I was using possibly?
> >I appreciate you were only initially clarifying the reasons on why the
> >problem on how to create an installable partition existed(for a poster
> >that didn't appear to have any FAT32 partition anyway), but perhaps your
> >goodself/someone could kindly confirm whether PQM V3 (OS/2) should still
> >be  fully functional on >8Gb IDE with a FAT32 partition included  and
> >with or without bios translation enabled?
>
> I can verify that translation is not required to function beyond 1024
> cylinders.  I can't verify the size issue, as explained above.
>
> I'm inclined to assume that you have in fact installed the updated IDE
> drivers from IBM, for >8GB drive support.  If that's the case, then PQM's
> failure to resize a FAT32 partition would seem to fall under one of two
> reasons, as my guess:
>
> 1)  The program is, in fact, broken with respect to drive size, even
> though there's no implementational cause for it to be under OS/2, beyond
> using an appropriate IDE driver.
>
> 2)  PQM v3 can recognize a FAT32 partition, but not manipulate it, period.
>
> The second assumption should be easy to dismiss, if false, provided you
> have a FAT32 partition smaller than 8GB on which the assumption in
> question may be brutally shattered.

Yes you "inclined" most astutely and accurately - the updated drivers
were indeed installed and furthermore assumption 2) appears to fit  my
actual observations so therefore I feel that this latter one is the most
likely explanation.
In fact I thought assumption 1) was easier to dismiss as I hazily recall
from my admittedly faulty memory the only other IDE originally without
FAT32 I personally experienced was indeed manipulated via PMv3. But on
checking I was reminded that it was only a 4.3Gb IDE and therefore
irrelevant in this contect.

Also in that particular latter example the original Win98 FAT16
partition was converted to FAT32 while we were "experimenting" and also
trying to determine why there was a "problem" having greater than >1Gb
partitions on an IDE drive (using updated IDE drivers although we
shouldn't of actually needed them) on a system that also contained an
Adapec 1542CF SCSI(until we RTFM and realised this was a documented
restriction with this combination<g>). 
Additionally subsequently re-coverting such a FAT32 back to FAT16
appears to introduce the possibility of corrupting OS/2's EA's if this
primary partition then becomes visible to a booted Warp logical,
resulting in prolific and catastrophic checkdisk errors!.
(Raising even more conjecture as to whether PQv4's more flexible
FAT16/32 conversion and/or it's OS/2 EA aware option would avoid this?)

However on a completely seperate (and new 10.8Gb) system already
pre-installed with Win98(FAT32) PQMv3 resolutely failed to re-size the
partition(with updated OS2 IDE drivers) or apparently offer any other
(ie FAT32 > FAT16) options.

> >(Lack of adequate backup media capacity or spare >8Gb IDE's  prevents me
> >from currently doing the obvious and fully experimenting with these
> >various scenarios myself so I guess I'm being very cheeky and a tad lazy
> >asking the question!<g>)
> >
> >Otherwise if (as I suspect) this is indeed an anticipated/expected
> >restriction then if you do need to use FAT32 in future and subsequently
> >want to manipulate any partitions on these large drives then you're
> >practically forced to use a V4/5 W9x/NT executable anyway!
> >
> >So to summarise, does all this therefore mean(on > 8Gb IDE):
> >1. If you don't have FAT32 then you can use  PM V3(OS/2) irrespective of
> >translation?.
> >2. If you have FAT32 then you can only use V4/5 (W9x) irrespective of
> >translation or V4/5 (DOS) with translation enabled?  (The v3 OS/2
> >executable only giving you partial limited functionality?) ....and also
> >not forgetting you need latest patches or PTEDIT to avoid (or correct)
> >the extended partition type being changed from an OS/2 recognisable
> >X'05' to Win9X only recognisable X'0F'.
> >
> >Or could it be that the presence of a FAT32 primary partition is
> >irrelevant and there's got to be another reason for the disparity
> >between my own limited observations and Trevors far wider  and more
> >comprehensive experiences(the latter apparently also being supported by
> >your own very worthy explanation)?
>
> I've certainly no deeply-rooted disinclinations towards speculation, but
> my ammunition in this case is far too small to put any sizable holes in
> your current shroud of mystery.  The extent of my ability to test PQM v3's
> FAT32 functionality is limited to an attempt (quite recently undertaken,
> during my attempt to make this followup at least partially useful) to
> create a FAT32 partition on a drive with free space available.  If this
> rather paltry test is any indication, then my second guess above is more
> correct than you'd like, as PQM didn't even list FAT32 as a valid
> partition type to create.

Well at first I thought that was dependent on "patch" level as FAT32
options are indeed listed on my 3.05 level, but testing further the
create partition option does indeed appear only capable of creating a
FAT16 partition initially!
So it appears the only way to get a FAT32 is to create a FAT16, install
Win98(or 95 + OSVR2), and convert to FAT32 via Win9x itself.  :-(    -
Thanks for trying anyway....
Yet conversely PQMv3 will recognise an existing FAT32 (at least on <8Gb
IDE) and re-convert back to FAT16.

Of course the warning that appears when you enable FAT32 options that
you "..may loose access to all your files if you don't have a valid
FAT32 driver..."  is understandably very offputting although undeniably
prudent considering we're encountering a Microsoft originated
abomination(as you quite succinctly described it)<g>.
Paradoxically strange though as this warning implies it will offer
options to actually convert to FAT32 and thus one would therefore expect
it to offer a FAT32 installation as well? 

> The reason I'm unable to go further than that is because I have no FAT32
> partitions anywhere, with which I could even verify PQM's willingness to
> do anything with such a beast.  This dearth of such abominations of data
> storage is not due solely to the fact that they are, in fact, wretched,
> and completely incompatible with non-Win9x operating systems (barring
> additions), but also due to the fact that I own neither Win95 release B,
> nor Win98.  Win 95 release A has been quite sufficient at fulfilling its
> role here, that of an overcomplicated (for the task) game loader.
>

Agreed, and as I personally have limited DASD on my own legacy 486 and
no direct need to use WinXX/FAT32(apart from increasingly numerous
requests from others to support theirs<g>) then I found PQMv3 quite
adequate upto now.... 

> So that I don't feel that I got away too easily, I'll endeavor to explain
> why I doubt there is any problem with >8GB drives with PQM, leading to a
> conclusion that a lack of FAT32 functionality is to blame.
>
> As I mentioned, reading the physical drive directly in OS/2 is
> accomplished with the DosDevIOCtl() API, using category 0x09 functions.
> The primary function in question is 0x0064, which is given a define of
> PDSK_READPHYSTRACK (with category 0x08 functions, for reading logical
> drives, the same function has the same number, and is defined as
> DSK_READTRACK).

I'm struggling now...<g>

> This function relies on CHS (cylinder/head/sector) values
> to determine which sector(s) is/are to be read.  Those values are stored
> as unsigned short integers.  So, to function properly at all, the program
> must also use storage at least as large (though it would be safe to cast
> the head value to an unsigned char, even though that one byte of "saved"
> memory would be allocated from the system anyway, due to page alignment
> issues).  That makes for a maximum drive size of:
>
> 65536 cylinders * 65536 heads (AKA tracks/cylinder) * 65535 sectors/track
>
> That comes out to 256 Terrabinarysectors, which is beyond the capacity of
> the PC partitioning scheme (4 Gigabinarysectors).

Phewww... Serves me right and now filed for future reference under my
"Tony_gets_his_just_deserts"....folder<g>

> So, given that, I can't imagine any programming error which would yield a
> functional program up to 8GB, but non-functional afterwards.  There are no
> opportunities for an overflow to rear its ugly head, unless an unsigned
> character variable were used for cylinders (one byte each would be
> sufficient for both tracks/cylinder and sectors/track), in which case the
> break would occur at 256 cylinders, a value sufficiently low to make the
> program non-functional on virtually every drive ever made.

Well I was desperately trying to keep up with your explanation until you
introduced this last possibility at which point I confess I suffered
complete and absolute terminal brain fade and totally failed to
rationalise your 256 cylinder figure for myself.
However I'll accept your implication that sub 340Mb drives are now only
a dim and distant memory and that I really ought to upgrade my antique
755 (486Dx4) Thinkpad<g>

> The upshot (yes, it's coming) is that if the problem is indeed with FAT32,
> and not 8GB (as all the evidence, despite there being none to speak of,
> points to), then the DOS version of v4 or v5 will be necessary.  Since one
> will never find a FAT32 partition beyond 1024 cylinders (without some
> disastrously clever fool intervening),

Oops this particular "fool" is certainly disasterous but probably not
clever so he had better re-check the last FAT32 partition he thought he 
recently created at the end of a 10.8Gb IDE along with the Bios
translation used!  ;-)
I thought the latter mapped out at 1313 cyls (assuming 10.8Gb was
defined with a base radix of 10 and not 2) thus 1313cyls x 255 hds x 63
sectors x 512bytes/sector, but from your explanation it appears I may
have missed something very obvious or totally misunderstood? - Duh!.
Or perhaps you simply meant a "bootable FAT32"?

> you shouldn't ever be left in the
> position where neither the v3 OS/2 executable or v4/v5 DOS executable will
> work.

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  21-Nov-99 09:56:13
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: (2/2) Re: UPDATE: How to set partition Installable ???

Well in the (admittedly unlikely event<g>) that  we are both right that
FAT32 is the cause and that I am also correct that it can indeed be
placed beyond(or indeed spans) 1024 cyls then this Catch22 scenario is
precisely what could happen! 
As although the former will recognise it, neither will be able to
mainipulate it (either by resizing directly or by initally converting to
FAT16, then resizing). Unfortunately like you I don't have  convenient
access to >8Gb IDE drives as my own rather "fragile" heuristically based
hypothesis was  predicated on my own (incomplete) "empirical"
observations while setting up a couple of Win98 systems for some
relatives/colleagues.
So my/our mystery remains in that I can only say that while PMQv3
recognised a FAT32 partition on a <8Gb drive and manipulated it (at
least by converting it back to FAT16)  it couldn't do the same (although
it recognised it) on >8Gb drive where the partition spanned
the complete drive.
I guess now I have re-partitioned via PQMv4 (such that these should now
lie well below 1024 cyls),  it should be easy enough for me to
optionally delete any additional partitions(as yet unused) above that
boundary and check(non intrusively) whether PQMv3(OS/2) will now
manipulate any of the FAT32 and additionally create any FAT16/HPFS
partitions above the 1024 barrier?
But I have this nagging suspicion, based on both my and your (both
limited) practical experience to date, that it will at best only offer
to convert FAT32 to FAT16 first and not allow any other direct
manipulation. As this potential pre-requisite is somewhat intrusive I'm
rather loath to try it on a users existing drive without adequate
backups and/or a concrete bomb shelter<g>..

Thus as your explanation and Trevors statements have filled me with more
doubt and uncertainty,I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that it's
entirely possible I missed the obvious and that PQMv3 possibly doesn't
allow direct resizing of FAT32 partitions anyway irrespective of Disk
size? (It's just that arguably ambiguous statement on PQ's web site
about v4 supporting >8Mb that seems to raises further speculation and
potentially "muddies the waters" further....)

Rhetorical question: Why does MS arrogantly insist on placing it's OS in
one large partition thus effectively only using say 500Mb of a 10.8Gb
(or larger) harddrive and thus also on Win98 (on these potentially large
cluster size drives) requires this damned incompatable FAT32 file system
anyway!
(Although someone will probably point out that in the past OEM's and IBM
itself also installed OS/2 in a similar single partition but using FAT
instead of HPFS).

All this becomes somewhat academic anyway as if you do have both FAT32
and PQMv4/5 then in all probability you will have Win9x and can thus use
the native W9x executables!
(Conveniently ignoring the pathological scenario of someone having an
isolated FAT32 data partition above 1024 cyls accessed via Henk Kelders
FAT32 OS/2 driver only!<vbg>)
A more likely scenario is possibly where you have a inherited a large
ide(via new PC pre-install or whatever) and MS's FAT32 infernal OS on
the drive and only have PQMv3 at your disposal, where your only recourse
appears to be to delete the FAT32 partition and  re-install it(assuming
you have the CD ROM<g>) possibly last after you have manipulated,created
any other partitions first,installed OS/2 etc.....

>  While on the surface that may seem a small comfort, it should be
> weighed in full consideration of the fact that DOS takes quite a bit less
> time to boot than Win9X, and is less likely to do something clever to
> "protect" you, resulting in a loss of data.

Oh your sentiments are so very true.... ;-)

> --
>  - Mike
>
> Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.

Your most exemplary reply can undoubtedly be characterised as being "far
beyond the call of duty" and therefore I shall drag the shagged remnant
of my single remaining neuron off to recover in a quiet dark room until
I have the opportunity of using your most meritous and detailed comments
as a basis for experimenting further(probably in the next millenium at
this rate)<vbg>.
--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"

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From: pncurtis@my-deja.com                              21-Nov-99 15:09:17
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 14:27:08
Subj: Re: Orb, os/2, chkdsk, hpfs, 1460

From: pncurtis@my-deja.com

I have a thinkpad 770z
and just installed an external scsi orb drive
via adaptec 1460D pcmcia adapter

I am running os/2 warp 4 with fixpack 12
When I first installed the drive I had to reformat
the disk - on reformat I get a invalid parameter
and all I specified was the drive letter.

whenever I do a chkdsk I get bad fat table!

I really want to format it with hpfs but It
says that is not supported.

Does anyone know if I need to do something special
because I'm using a pcmcia scsi adapter!

fat doesn't cut it on a 2.2gig disk
I want hpfs to work and be able to chkdsk!

help

thanks
paul


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From: krischik@cymes-bs.de                              21-Nov-99 01:36:12
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 14:27:08
Subj: Re: More than 1024 cylinders

From: "Martin Krischik" <krischik@cymes-bs.de>

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:56:32 -0500, mchasson@ibm.net wrote:

:>Good luck.  With LBA the 1024 cylinder is beyond 8 MB.

Good Point. So what do you do with a 9 GB drive?

Regards 

Martin
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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         22-Nov-99 13:30:28
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 12:11:10
Subj: Re: Who posts hardware ratings?

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <zjnyfuryceepbz.flgy3k0.pminews@news-server>,
  "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com> wrote:

> PC Magazine has a pretty fair collection of ratings at their site.

I'd have a pretty hard time trusting a site like this when a fair whack
of their budget comes from advertising by the companies that make the
products they're trying to review.

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


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From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca                           22-Nov-99 20:36:29
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: Re: DVD ReWrite Drive

From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Michael W. Wernicki (michael1ww@earthlink.net) wrote:
: Hello,

: Does Warp have a driver for a Creative DVD-RAM drive? I've looked at the
: IBM driver site. Nothing seems to exactly fit. I've looked under
: removable storage medium and CDROM. The operating system recognizes it
: as a hard drive with a ReWritable disk in the drive and as a CDROM with
: a CDROM in the drive.

No, but I bet that if you send a drive over to Daniela, a driver would
magically appear on hobbes soon :)



Isaac

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From: asuri@vpub.powernet.co.uk                         22-Nov-99 22:51:21
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: re atapi zip drive

From: Adrian Suri <asuri@vpub.powernet.co.uk>

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Hi

I have an Atapi 100 zip drive works great, however, under boot OS/2 if
there
is an error I get a blue screen.... and have to do a turn off... no
alt-cntrl-del

I can only image that their must be some dll's which boot OS/2 does not
copy for error handling
any ideas


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From: scalisi@tin.it                                    22-Nov-99 21:27:07
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Re: How do you "fix-up" an HPFS partition to boot?

From: scalisi@tin.it

In <38318189.14B9@yahoo.com>, on 11/16/99
   at 08:08 AM, Greg Christopher <raj_mo_d@yahoo.com> said:

>I thought I had my new 15 gig IDE working, but after I xcopied all the files
>to the new G drive using xcopy, it wouldn't boot.

>The kernal and loader were there too; they just don't seem to be in the
>right
>place.

>What I need is something like what the SYS command does for DOS/Windows, but
>only for OS/2. I am afraid these two key hidden files are not in the right
>location on the HPFS partition.

>ANy ideas?

Use sysinstx C:
the sysinstx program is on one of the starter diskette ( or in fixpack12).

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From: notreal@geeteeeee.net                             23-Nov-99 02:58:03
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Re: orbdrive

From: notreal@geeteeeee.net (Lenard Charters)

In message <382f9544$1$ugenivf$mr2ice@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> -
htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis) writes:
:>
:>In <382F120A.1E398D1E@erols.com>, on 11/14/99 
:>   at 02:48 PM, Mark Schlegel <moschleg@erols.com> said:
:>
:>>Dave wrote:
:>>> 
:>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:38:34 -0500, Dan Casey wrote:
:>>> 
:>>> >In article <eAlX3.98188$jF3.734188@quark.idirect.com>,
:>>> >"Chris T." <ct1213@home.com> wrote:
:>>> >>Does anyone know if it is worth getting an orbdrive?  It doesn't seem
to be
:>>> >>as popular as the zip drives are.  I don't really want to waste my
money and
:>>> >>then find out the company goes bankrupt, like SyQuest.
:>>> >
:>>> >I've heard of success and failure both with the Orb drives. Not enough
:>>> >of them being used (at least by OS/2 users) to get an accurate
:>>> >picture, though.
:>>> >
:>>> >Do NOT get a Parallel Port model ... you'll need special drivers, and
:>>> >they don't exist (yet), contrary to what is posted on the Castlewood
:>>> >site.
:>>> 
:>>> ACtually Castlewood changed their site and make *NO* mention of OS/2 for
any
:>>> version of the drive.  I really feel I've been swindled
:>
:>>If you get the scsi one what difference does it make?, scsi is a
:>>standard, just plug it in your scsi cable and give it a unique id
:>>number that's free.
:>
:>One issue for some is whether the ORB is bootable. And if bootable,
:>whether it is bootable only after treating the cartridge as "fixed."
:>

The orb drive can be bootable.  Yes, you have to treat it as a fixed drive.
You can even add to your boot manager if you want.  I keep one Orb disk as
my maintenance OS/2 partition.  When I plan on using it I just shutdown my
system and install the disk and reboot.  When this Orb disk is in the drive
I get one additional choice on bootup.



:>To quote Grace Slick of the Jefferson Airplane from a quarter century
:>ago  "a plastic, fantastic lover." -- 
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
:>DemostiX
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>

Lenard


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From: svetter@ameritech.net                             23-Nov-99 15:19:29
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: Odd directories and Java

From: Scott Vetter <svetter@ameritech.net>

   I've got an OS/2 V4 system and have a few questions...  First the
easy one, I must have at least two versions of Java on my system.  How
does one delete all but the latest one?  As for the hard question, I
have a couple of directories called "Archive" and "Maintenance Desktop"
is it possible to clean these out leaving all but the latest stuff?
What's the CID directory used for?

Thanks

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                23-Nov-99 19:42:01
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 21:19:15
Subj: Re: Parallel Port Superdisk?

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Nelson Williams wrote:

> Is there anyone using Superdisk via the parallel port in Warp4?  I see the
> newest IDEDASD works with larger floppies, so, I can only assume the
> internal Superdisk will work since it is mentioned in the README file that
> accompanies the IDEDASD.  But do I need any drivers for OS/2 to recognize
> the Parallel Port Superdisk?
>
> I'd like to use this since the price for the only IDE CD-RW program is
> $300+!!  Superdisk is my only other option since I don't want a ZIP drive.
> Also, this will be used for the my PC and a laptop running Virus95.  That's
> why I need the parallel port model.
>
> Nelson

Checkout http://easystor.com/index1.html. They have an LS120 parallel port
drive which they claim has OS/2 support. Unfortunately for me I have the
Imation LS120 parallel port drive for which there is no OS/2 driver.

Jim




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From: matt196@mindspring.com                            23-Nov-99 21:06:19
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: Parallel Port Superdisk?

From: "Nelson Williams" <matt196@mindspring.com>

Thanks Jim.  BTW, have you tried there OS/2 driver with your current LS120?
Wouldn't hurt to try it I guess.  Now I just need to find out where I can
get this Easystor drive.

nelson


Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote in message
news:383B3459.57862DD2@erols.com...
> Nelson Williams wrote:
>
> > Is there anyone using Superdisk via the parallel port in Warp4?  I see
the
> > newest IDEDASD works with larger floppies, so, I can only assume the
> > internal Superdisk will work since it is mentioned in the README file
that
> > accompanies the IDEDASD.  But do I need any drivers for OS/2 to
recognize
> > the Parallel Port Superdisk?
> >
> > I'd like to use this since the price for the only IDE CD-RW program is
> > $300+!!  Superdisk is my only other option since I don't want a ZIP
drive.
> > Also, this will be used for the my PC and a laptop running Virus95.
That's
> > why I need the parallel port model.
> >
> > Nelson
>
> Checkout http://easystor.com/index1.html. They have an LS120 parallel port
> drive which they claim has OS/2 support. Unfortunately for me I have the
> Imation LS120 parallel port drive for which there is no OS/2 driver.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>


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From: rosscoe@mackay.net.au                             24-Nov-99 19:13:02
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Adaptec 2930 and OS/2

From: ross scanlon <rosscoe@mackay.net.au>

does anyone have Adaptec 2930u2 SCSI card working with OS/2.
I tried the drives from Adaptec and it can not find the card returns
"No adapter installed"

Currently running AMD K6-2/500, Gigabyte GA-5AA motherboard, AT3D video,
adaptec 2940ua, 96mb memory and 4.3Gb IBM hard disk. Want to chage to
adaptec 2930u2 and 18Gb IBM hard disk.

Any help appreciated.

Ross

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From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com                               24-Nov-99 12:42:17
  To: jjsuwa@sys3175.com                                24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Multisession CD

To: jjsuwa@sys3175.com
From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com

Hi

I'm having trouble getting multisession CD support to work. I can only
see the first session written to a disk. My setup is as follows:

Asus P3B-F planar
Tekram DC390U2W SCSI host
Toshiba SD-M1201 DVD-ROM
Yamaha 6416s CD-RW
OS/2 Warp 4 UK, FP9

For the SCSI card, I've tried both the drivers that came on the
installation floppy with the card, and the Symbios sym8xx drivers I
downloaded from their site (which seem a tiny bit faster, but still
don't give me multisession support).

I've tried a few versions of cdfs (e.g., the ones with joiliet support),
but currently I'm using the Warp 4 one.

For os2cdrom.dmd, I've also tried jjscdrom.dmd, which is supposed to add
CD-DA access and be able to force multisession and CD-DA on Toshiba/Sony
drives. I haven't tried CD-DA, for the moment I'm only interested in
multisession data. I didn't have any success with this. Lastly, I've
tried compiling os2cdrom.dmd as I have the OS/2 DDK, and I downloaded
the most recent version from the web. This made no difference either. I
haven't had time to look into the details of how multisession
support is implemented, perhaps I'll have to! (The code looks *really*
old, covering Toshiba 3301 and 3401, for instance).

With the jjscdrom drivers, and the /V option, I get as output
Toshiba cM
Yamaha  CM
but I cannot read 2nd sessions with either drive.

The disks I've been writing have been either written at work (HP
recorder, Adaptec software) or on my own Yamaha drive (again with the
Adaptec software, and also with mkisofs/cdrecord on OS/2).

One thing I haven't tried is disconnecting one of the drives to see if I
can read multisession disks when only a single drive is connected.

On the same PC, I have Win98, WinNT, Solaris 7 and SuSE Linux 6.2. All
four of these can read multisession disks flawlessly. I haven't tried
DOS ow Win95, but I doubt they'd have problems either.

Any ideas?
Paul

--
Paul Floyd
Is atrophy a shiny cup?


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From: Markus.Quandt@gmx.net                             24-Nov-99 15:12:02
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: help: AHA2940U2W and  IBM DDRS-39130D won't copy files larger > 400kB

From: Markus Quandt <Markus.Quandt@gmx.net>

Hi all,

for some months I've been running a PIII-450 on an Asus P2B-F
motherboard without larger problems under Warp 4, FP9.  Recently, I
noticed that *reading* from the harddisk (an 8 GB IBM DDRS-3910D SCSI
wide/LVD drive, hanging off an Adaptec AHA2940U2W card) will almost
always fail for *some* files larger than, say, 400-800 kB. One example
is my Lotus Organizer file, another the Java 'classes.zip'. Writing
seems to be ok. Amazingly, many apps that do load these files seem to be
unaffected (eg. Organizer can *work* with its file, Java also seems to
work!), but a simply copy operation on the command line (or zipping the
said files, or similar stuff) will fail with a SYS0031. But most other,
much larger files will be copied ok?!?! The target of the copy operation
doesn't seem to matter.

Running chkdsk at boot time doesn't help at all (the affected partition
is HPFS formatted, of course). 

The SCSI driver I'm using is the one available from the IBM device
driver site, dated 04/08/1999. Adaptec only has an older version (6/98)
on their ftp site, which I didn't try yet.

I am not sure if this problem existed all the time or if it emerged only
recently, but can't really believe the first scenario. The only thing I
changed in the system configuration during the plausible time frame was
the video driver - I'm using an IBM supplied S3 Savage driver 6.10.17,
which I updated from 6.10.15 some weeks ago.

Other system components: 
Elsa Something graphics card, with the said S3 Savage (Pro?) chip
3COM Etherlink XL PCI
Plextor 40x SCSI CD-ROM

running TCPIP, NETBIOS, Netware protocols

Are there any insights you could offer? This is really scary!!!

Thanks, MQ

-- 
__________________________________________________________________
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  Institut f. Angewandte Sozialforschung der Universitaet zu Koeln
  Greinstr. 2     50939 Koeln
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From: sachmo@horn.net                                   25-Nov-99 00:30:14
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Storage suggestions

From: sachmo@horn.net

How decent is online storage? Size, security, length of time, etc. ?

Thanks
---------------
pequod@gate.net

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In the ranks of death you'll find him;
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard;
Words shall never sound in slavery!
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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  25-Nov-99 04:16:08
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: Re: Athlon and SCSI?

From: "zeppelin@gte.net" <zeppelin@gte.net>

Yes, you have a point.

But then, When I purchased my current system in late '96 I thought "get the
best
components you can buy so that you don't end up replacing it all everytime you
upgrade"  I got An Adaptec 2940 UW and two IBM 2.1 gig  UW DACS HD's

Now, its a good trick to even find a standard "UW" drive for sale,and you'd
think that someone would even have some dated but new 50 pin SCSI-II HD's in
the
"bargain basement", not so, the only luck I've had is finding vendors who will
"special order" SCSI-II drives "If that's really what I want" but at "list
price" only which is preposterously close to the price I'd pay for U2W drives
twice the size..

With what I expect to pay for the Athlon System I "want" I feel fairly
confident
that the Mobo et al will "have" to last me another 3 years. And since no one
is
yet producing a PCI soundcard with drivers that do the "win-os2" thing
reliably,
I think I'm gonna have to buy a Mobo with 2 ISA slots minimum. Getting the U2W
controller on the mobo will hopefully get me another PCI slot to put "in the
bank"

Crazy? Of course I'm crazy! If I could buy an Athlon Mobo With a SCSI
controller, and NO IDE controller, I'd probably buy it in a heart beat. Just
for
the piece of mind in knowing I'd never get an unused IDE controller that
"thinks" it "owns" IRQ 14, and 15 anyway. Don't laugh, I'm using a DFI Mobo
right now  that won't give up IRQ 14 for any reason, what's worse, the way
they
built it, I cannot put any PCI card in "slot #1" unless it happens to be "an
improved" IDE controller. Was nothing I could do to try to get my "Wincast"
capture card to work in slot one, at IRQ 14, or any other IRQ.

BTW, I tried in vain to get Adaptec to describe how the U2W controller would
actually "boost" the performance of my system (over my current 2940 UW) in
terms
of "sustained data throughput" as opposed to the "80 Mb/s claimed PEAK data
throughput.

 They never really put forth any answers of substance. Is it a "fair guess" to
suppose that any real improvement in performance will come primarily from the
U2W HD itself, and that the U2W controller is  mostly just a "means towards
that
end"?

"gH" wrote:

> In <383A2C6C.8A6BD39D@gte.net>, on 11/23/99
>    at 05:56 AM, "zeppelin@gte.net" <zeppelin@gte.net> said:
>
> >Anybody have any idea if any name brand Motherboard companies have a board
> >for the  AMD Athlon that has a bootable SCSI controller on the mainboard in
> >the works?
>
> Do not recommend on-board SCSI... because everytime you upgrade your
> motherboard, you throw a perfectly good SCSI card...
>
> I personally recommend Asus' K7M Athlon motherboard, and add a Tekram
> DC-390U2W and you will be all set... :)
>
> And for some shameless plug... :) Our company have an Athlon + Asus K7M
> special until boxing day... check it out on
>
> http://www.innovalue.com
>
> :)
>
> --
> ===Team OS/2, Team OS/2 at Taiwan, ICE News Beta Tester. Bovine Team===
> ======Warped Key Crucher, And OS/2 ISP CD Project Member. TBA  #3======
>
>      Owner of PC End User Web Site       http://www.pcenduser.com/
>
>       Java 1.1.7 - MR/2 ICE REG#:10510 - OS/2 T-Warp Connect 4.0
>                             ICQ# = 8943567

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           25-Nov-99 11:37:04
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:24
Subj: Re: help: AHA2940U2W and  IBM DDRS-39130D won't copy files larger > 400

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <383BF234.ECC37214@gmx.net>, on 11/24/99 at 03:12 PM,
   Markus Quandt <Markus.Quandt@gmx.net> said:

> Are there any insights you could offer? This is really scary!!!

Notes and Organizer databases cannot be copied if they are open except by
Notes Replication.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              25-Nov-99 19:26:24
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Getting started with RAID

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

RAID arrays can be tricky if you don't understand the logic behind them.  You
are correct that you can install OS/2 on a non raid drive.  Actually the best
setup is to have one drive for the OS and apps and use the raid drive for the
database and files storage.  Since you have a two channel controller it makes
it easier conceptually to setup.  You can also do it on a single channel
controller.  A quick lesson in raid 5 arrays.  Minimum number of drives
required is 3, but 5 is reccomended.  You will need to have all the drives
connected and setup properly, then go into the raid controllers bios setup
and start creating the array.  Basically, you select the drives that are to
be part of the array and tell the controller what raid level to use.  Follow
the instructions that came with the card for the specifics.  Then after you
have done that, you can install the OS and set everything up.  When the
controller places drives in an array, the OS thinks that all those drives are
one single drive.  If you have trouble figuring the whole setup out, just
draw a diagram of everything and it will become clear to you.  Feel free to
ask any more questions you may have.



On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:03:12 -0800, driven zen wrote:

:>I will be setting up a 4 or 5 drive SCSI II RAID 5 array based around a
:>two-chsnnel AMD 428 adapter to provide the base for a mini-network
:>server.  The literature with the RAID adapter seems to indicate that it
:>is necessary to install the OS (Warp Server v4 on Warp 4, in this case)
:>onto the array.  I was planning instead to use the second channel to
:>either mirror or mirror and stripe my boot drive or possibly to simply
:>back up my system partition on a (very!) regular basis.
:>
:>With the 428 and OS/2, isn't it quite acceptable to use the RAID 5 array
:>simply for the db/2 files rather than to install the OS on it?
:>
:>TIA,
:>
:>Mark Henigan
:>--


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
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From: Olivier-Patrick.Thiriot@esial.u-...               26-Nov-99 06:49:10
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:21
Subj: Re: Teac SCSI CDROM & Audio Grabbing...

Message sender: Olivier-Patrick.Thiriot@esial.u-nancy.fr

From: Olivier-Patrick.Thiriot@esial.u-nancy.fr (Olivier-Patrick Thiriot)

Hi!

You are not alone. I encountered the same problem with the same drive. When I
read the doc of the cdrom drive, everything is ok, it supports grabbing of
audio. The only solution I found was simply to change the drive. I tested it
with WIN 98 one day and it worked very well. I do not know if there is a right
solution, hope you will find it.

OP

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From: my.address@work.office                            26-Nov-99 10:46:17
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Teac SCSI CDROM & Audio Grabbing...

From: my.address@work.office (Klaus Hoffmann)

In article <383D7200.3D98E486@gmx.net>, Dirk Schulz says...
>
>[...]My problem is,
>that all programs I tried say taht it doesn't support grabbing of audio
>files.[...]
I don't know whether it will fix YOUR problem, but the jjscdrom distribution   
 
on hobbes.nmsu.edu (and probably anywhere else) provided my CD-ROM and CD-RW 
with audio capabilities. You might want to give it a try. Nevertheless, you 
should grab one track multiple times then and compare the results to ensure 
that the drive indeed is capable of reading proper audio information.
Hope it helps...

-- 
Klaus Hoffmann
Email: hoffmann#klaus@topmail#de
Replace hash marks by dots for mailing.
Spam seems to lurk everywhere these days...

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From: Markus.Quandt@gmx.net                             26-Nov-99 13:46:25
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: help: AHA2940U2W and  IBM DDRS-39130D won't copy files larger > 

From: Markus Quandt <Markus.Quandt@gmx.net>

Bob Germer schrieb:
> 
> On <383BF234.ECC37214@gmx.net>, on 11/24/99 at 03:12 PM,
>    Markus Quandt <Markus.Quandt@gmx.net> said:
> 
> > Are there any insights you could offer? This is really scary!!!
> 
> Notes and Organizer databases cannot be copied if they are open except by
> Notes Replication.
 
Bob,
thanks for the reply, but of course the files are closed when the
problem occurs, it even happens directly after booting. Also, there were
other files affected, not just the Organizer database, I only mentioned
this as an example. 

To be more precise than I was in my first post: The copy of the file
DOES start, i.e. some 100 kB ARE copied to the target, then the process
stops with an error SYS0031, which means that the OS beliefs that the
source unit is not working! (Bob, I DID mention this, just checked :-)).

For now, I have 'repaired' the affected files by copying them to a
*different name*, deleting the original, and copying them back -
amazingly, this works, while copying the files to a *different
directory* keeping the same file name does NOT work. This seems to
indicate that something was hosed in the file system, doesn't it?! Maybe
one of those ugly Netscape crashes, which required a hard reset. 

I shall check the SCSI termination nevertheless (thanks go to Guido for
the hint), though there must have been something wrong from the start,
because the machine was never opened after we received it.

Regards, MQ

-- 
__________________________________________________________________
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  Institut f. Angewandte Sozialforschung der Universitaet zu Koeln
  Greinstr. 2     50939 Koeln
  Tel. +49-221/470-4232                      Fax. +49-221/470-5169
  Find my PGP public key and other information here:
http://www.uni-koeln.de/wiso-fak/ifas/html/personal/homepage/quandt-markus/inde
x.html

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 26-Nov-99 12:19:12
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Athlon and SCSI?

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

>that the Mobo et al will "have" to last me another 3 years. And since no one
is
>yet producing a PCI soundcard with drivers that do the "win-os2" thing
reliably,

I've had good luck with generic crystal 4280 PCI sound with the
crystal drivers.  Seems to work fine iwth Os/2 and winos2

Craig

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From: matthickman@my-deja.com                           26-Nov-99 15:48:16
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: TP 760CD with Dock/2

From: Matt Hickman <matthickman@my-deja.com>


My Thinkpad 760CD locks up on bootup when I load the driver for
the Dock/2's built in SCSI.  It worked with my original Wap 4
install. I think it stopped working as a result of installing an IDE
busmaster driver a year or so ago (I was too lazy to back it out
at the time).  I did not need to use the SCSI then, but now I
would like to use the SCSI to hook up a JAZZ drive.

The IDE busmaster was in beta when I installed it.  I have since
put on XRD001 Warp Common Device Driver fixpak  and still have
the problem on bootup.  Has the IDE Busmaster driver gone GA and been
incorporated into the fixpak?  What is the latest and greatest IDE
drivewrr which is not a busmaster?

--
Matt Hickman
I don't even see how a four-dimensional coffee cup
could even hold coffee, much less a whole galaxy.
              - Robert A. Heinlein (1907-1988)


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From: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dun...               26-Nov-99 18:18:01
  To: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: Getting started with RAID

Message sender: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk

To: Chris Stumpf <cstumpf@monmouth.com>
From: Charles Christacopoulos <c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk>

Chris Stumpf wrote:
> 
> RAID arrays can be tricky if you don't understand the logic behind them. 
You
> are correct that you can install OS/2 on a non raid drive.  Actually the
best
> setup is to have one drive for the OS and apps and use the raid drive for
the
> database and files storage.  

I would agree with that.

In my case I use DPT controller and UW disks.  

I have Drive C with 2 mirrored disks which effetively is OS + some
applications.
Drive D (Ok as many logical partitions as you like) made up by 4 disks
in RAID 5.
Both ARRAYS are on 1 channel as in my case the controller (2144UW + RAID
controller on it, being the cheapest in the range will only support 1
channel raid, 1 channel plain).  Before I moved to using an active
terminator because of LVD drives I had a 7th disk that was used as a hot
spare for either array.  The machine was plagued by electrical faults
(power supply problems and crappy connectors).

It is all supposingly complicated to intall OS/2 on a raid drive. In my
case I never tried as I always installed on a single disk and then
rebuilt the raid drive by adding the 2nd disk.  If your management
software (if any) allows you to manipulate drives, like  rebuild drive A
from drive B, and if, you go for a pair of mirrored drives you should
have no problems installing.

I have yet to try installing an 8th item on the one line (ie. 2
mirrored, 4 raid 5, 1 hot spare, 1 terminator) and see how many
explosions I get.

Hope it helps a bit.
Charles



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From: drivnzen@netfeed.com                              26-Nov-99 12:14:11
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: Getting started with RAID

From: driven zen <drivnzen@netfeed.com>

Chris Stumpf wrote:
> 
> RAID arrays can be tricky if you don't understand the logic behind them. 
You
> are correct that you can install OS/2 on a non raid drive.  Actually the
best
> setup is to have one drive for the OS and apps and use the raid drive for
the
> database and files storage.  

Good. Then my initial plan is sound.

> Since you have a two channel controller it makes
> it easier conceptually to setup.  You can also do it on a single channel
> controller.  A quick lesson in raid 5 arrays.  Minimum number of drives
> required is 3, but 5 is reccomended.  You will need to have all the drives
> connected and setup properly, then go into the raid controllers bios setup
> and start creating the array.  Basically, you select the drives that are to
> be part of the array and tell the controller what raid level to use.  Follow
> the instructions that came with the card for the specifics.  

My plan is for a 5 disk (2.1 GB each) RAID 5 array for db2/2 and data
and RAID 10 (AMD's term for striping and mirroring) for a two disk array
(4.5 GB each) for the OS and other files.

I'm wondering whether I'll be able to have multple partitions on my RAID
10 array.  I'll have to take a close look at the documentation.

> Then after you
> have done that, you can install the OS and set everything up.  When the
> controller places drives in an array, the OS thinks that all those drives 
> are one single drive.  If you have trouble figuring the whole setup out, 
> just draw a diagram of everything and it will become clear to you.  Feel 
> free to ask any more questions you may have.

Thanks.  The AMD literature is really helpful for planning.  However, I
know there are going to be a lot of issues not covered that will emerge
in the next few days and weeks.

Thanks again,

Mark Henigan
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> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:03:12 -0800, driven zen wrote:
> 
> :>I will be setting up a 4 or 5 drive SCSI II RAID 5 array based around a
> :>two-chsnnel AMD 428 adapter to provide the base for a mini-network
> :>server.  The literature with the RAID adapter seems to indicate that it
> :>is necessary to install the OS (Warp Server v4 on Warp 4, in this case)
> :>onto the array.  I was planning instead to use the second channel to
> :>either mirror or mirror and stripe my boot drive or possibly to simply
> :>back up my system partition on a (very!) regular basis.
> :>
> :>With the 428 and OS/2, isn't it quite acceptable to use the RAID 5 array
> :>simply for the db/2 files rather than to install the OS on it?
> :>
> :>TIA,
> :>
> :>Mark Henigan
> :>--
> 
>                 Chris Stumpf
>                 C.S.E. Computer Services
>                 Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
>                 Serenity Systems Channel Partner
>                 IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
> 
> 
> web:    http://cse.anterras.net
> email:  cse@anterras.net
> phone: (732)918-2480

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From: drivnzen@netfeed.com                              26-Nov-99 12:21:03
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: Getting started with RAID

From: driven zen <drivnzen@netfeed.com>

Charles Christacopoulos wrote:
> 
> Chris Stumpf wrote:
> >
> > RAID arrays can be tricky if you don't understand the logic behind them. 
You
> > are correct that you can install OS/2 on a non raid drive.  Actually the
best
> > setup is to have one drive for the OS and apps and use the raid drive for
the
> > database and files storage.
> 
> I would agree with that.
> 
> In my case I use DPT controller and UW disks.
> 
> I have Drive C with 2 mirrored disks which effetively is OS + some
> applications.  Drive D (Ok as many logical partitions as you like) made 
> up by 4 disks in RAID 5.
> Both ARRAYS are on 1 channel as in my case the controller (2144UW + RAID
> controller on it, being the cheapest in the range will only support 1
> channel raid, 1 channel plain).  Before I moved to using an active
> terminator because of LVD drives I had a 7th disk that was used as a hot
> spare for either array.  The machine was plagued by electrical faults
> (power supply problems and crappy connectors).
> 
> It is all supposingly complicated to intall OS/2 on a raid drive. In my
> case I never tried as I always installed on a single disk and then
> rebuilt the raid drive by adding the 2nd disk.  If your management
> software (if any) allows you to manipulate drives, like  rebuild drive A
> from drive B, and if, you go for a pair of mirrored drives you should
> have no problems installing.
> 
> I have yet to try installing an 8th item on the one line (ie. 2
> mirrored, 4 raid 5, 1 hot spare, 1 terminator) and see how many
> explosions I get.
> 
> Hope it helps a bit.
> Charles

Yes, this is helpful, particularly since it "mirrors" my plans fairly
closely.  I will be using all fast/wide SCSI II in the RAID 5 array, and
SCSI III in the RAID 10 (striped and mirrored) system array.

Thanks for your advice,

Mark Henigan
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From: wnewell@ticnet.com                                26-Nov-99 17:10:22
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Cache on hpfs

From: Wes Newell <wnewell@ticnet.com>

I'm tired of the limited 2 meg cache of hpfs. Is there a patch to
incresde this? How about other capatible files systems?


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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     26-Nov-99 23:45:21
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:23
Subj: Re: Cache on hpfs

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:10:44, Wes Newell <wnewell@ticnet.com> wrote:

> I'm tired of the limited 2 meg cache of hpfs. Is there a patch to
> incresde this? How about other capatible files systems?
> 
 
HPFS386 is available with Warp Server and has no such limitation.  If 
I was the unscrupulous kind I'd suggest you ask the people in 
alt.binaries.warez.os2 for an illegal copy if you don't fancy buying 
Warp Server, but I'm not so I won't.


Glen D
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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              26-Nov-99 19:26:10
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:23
Subj: Re: Getting started with RAID

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:14:22 -0800, driven zen wrote:

:>
:>My plan is for a 5 disk (2.1 GB each) RAID 5 array for db2/2 and data
:>and RAID 10 (AMD's term for striping and mirroring) for a two disk array
:>(4.5 GB each) for the OS and other files.
:>
:>I'm wondering whether I'll be able to have multple partitions on my RAID
:>10 array.  I'll have to take a close look at the documentation.
:>
Yeah it will be no problem.  OS/2 will see the drive as one huge disk and
then you can partition it with multiple extended partitions.



		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)918-2480



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From: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dun...               27-Nov-99 00:29:24
  To: drivnzen@netfeed.com                              26-Nov-99 21:40:23
Subj: Re: Getting started with RAID

Message sender: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk

To: driven zen <drivnzen@netfeed.com>
From: Charles Christacopoulos <c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk>

driven zen wrote:

Hi again,  I am not going to confuse you
 
> My plan is for a 5 disk (2.1 GB each) RAID 5 array for db2/2 and data
> and RAID 10 (AMD's term for striping and mirroring) for a two disk array
> (4.5 GB each) for the OS and other files.
Are you sure it is RAID 10 and not RAID 1.  Without checking any
documentation (and admittedly I would not claim to know much on RAID) 
what you describe is like mirroring two RAID 5 arrays and not mirroring
two single disks.  You cannot strip two disks and mirror them at the
same time.

RAID 0 strips 2 disks (or more) with no redundancy at all.  So you
double your space but if one disk fails you loose the contents of all.
NOT RECOMMENDED.

RAID 1 duplicates the contents of one disk to another.  In theory read
operations are faster as (hardware, software + whatever else) can read
from both disks.  Writting is just as slow as using one disk.

Double check your documentation and if it is not clear visit
http://www.dpt.com/
they used to have a lot of encyclopaedic information on their site.

> I'm wondering whether I'll be able to have multple partitions on my RAID
> 10 array.  I'll have to take a close look at the documentation.
Yes.  Once you have done your arrays you can run normally fdisk or
Logical Volume Manager if you run Warp Server for e-Business.  Mirroring
includes everything that is on a hard disk even hidden partitions if you
use boot manager (boot manager itself will be put on the mirrored
drive).  I can not say what happens if RAID > 1

Take care. :-)
Charles

BTW. you said you would use 2.1Gb disks.  Are they by any chance IBMs
5400 rpm.  I had at least 3.  I am not happy with them (one failed, two
are not well). All my other IBM disks never gave me problems.


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From: jdparker@erols.com                                26-Nov-99 19:47:08
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:23
Subj: Re: Parallel Port Superdisk?

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Nelson Williams wrote:

> Thanks Jim.  BTW, have you tried there OS/2 driver with your current LS120?
> Wouldn't hurt to try it I guess.  Now I just need to find out where I can
> get this Easystor drive.
>
> nelson
>
> Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:383B3459.57862DD2@erols.com...
> > Nelson Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Is there anyone using Superdisk via the parallel port in Warp4?  I see
> the
> > > newest IDEDASD works with larger floppies, so, I can only assume the
> > > internal Superdisk will work since it is mentioned in the README file
> that
> > > accompanies the IDEDASD.  But do I need any drivers for OS/2 to
> recognize
> > > the Parallel Port Superdisk?
> > >
> > > I'd like to use this since the price for the only IDE CD-RW program is
> > > $300+!!  Superdisk is my only other option since I don't want a ZIP
> drive.
> > > Also, this will be used for the my PC and a laptop running Virus95.
> That's
> > > why I need the parallel port model.
> > >
> > > Nelson
> >
> > Checkout http://easystor.com/index1.html. They have an LS120 parallel port
> > drive which they claim has OS/2 support. Unfortunately for me I have the
> > Imation LS120 parallel port drive for which there is no OS/2 driver.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >

No I haven't. I've looked on their web site but can't find a download for that
driver. What they appear to have is a download area for updates to drivers.
Perhaps they haven't updated that driver. I plan on checking periodically to
see
if it appears.

I think you can order their products online.

Jim

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