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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              19-Nov-99 14:35:17
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:01
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

andrew g wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:40:08, bingwNOSPAM@okanagan.net wrote:
> 
> > Is there an offline news reader for warp 3? or even an offline mail
reader?
> 
> I started with yarn and souper, then vsoup. This is a really stable
> and reliable text mode setup. But it's a bitch to configure and you
> have to be patient.
> 
> Then I installed (and bought, my mistake!) PMInews.  It's easy to use
> and all the menu options are in the most obvious places, but it's not
> stable. It would just spontaneously end with one of those cryptic
> maggoty white "A program encountered a problem and could not continue"
> dialog boxes we all know and hate.
> 
> Right now I'm trying (and liking) ProNews beta 1.5, available from
> Hobbes (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu).
> 
> It hasn't crashed on me yet.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> andrew


Has anyone tried News Harvest ?  If so, what did you think of it ?

<jf>

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             19-Nov-99 17:55:23
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:01
Subj: Re: ATX motherboards

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Bob Germer wrote:
> 
> On <38355D37.85291150@isomedia.com>, on 11/19/99 at 09:22 AM,
>    "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com> said:
> 
> > I forgot to answer your question.  I have OS/2 v4 with fixpak 12 and
> > device driver fixpack 1.  This setup works fine.  OS/2 v4 has supported
> > APM for ATX boards since it was released in 1996 but I cannot tell you
> > how good or bad it works downlevel.  Fixpack 12 and device driver
> > fixpack 1 seem to be very good and I would highly recommend installing
> > these.
> 
> I have the same software on my ThinkPad 390E. I have no problem with OS/2
> on it and it is essentially an ATX motherboard in that it will not reboot
> after a power failure if the battery is not installed. (I remove it in
> favor of a second hard drive when in the office and sometimes on the road
> in motels, etc.) I have no problems after either a timed or hardware
> suspend.
> 
> On the other hand, I have a machine at home for my wife which is ATX and
> which also runs OS/2 fine with a standard installation. Most of the time,
> it is running WIn98, unfortunately, since my wife won't switch from the
> software she uses for everthing, Claris Works for Windows 98. (This is a
> port of an Apple program to Win 98 and what she learned on as a teacher.
> The School Board sent her and other non-computer literate teachers to a
> class for Claris Works. She won't budge.) On neither system can I get it
> to reboot after a power failure, inadvertent hardware shutdown, etc. no
> matter what I tell BIOS to do.

The ASUS K7M BIOS has a setting for "Restore on AC/Power Loss" with
setting options of Power On, Power Off, or Last State.  I have it set at
Last State.  If the system is powered on and I pull the power plug out
of the wall (ouch!), the system restarts and then boots OS/2 after doing
a chkdsk on each drive.  If the system is already off and I pull the
plug out of the wall, it does not restart.  So it appears to me that it
all works as advertised.  


> 
> --
>
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---------------
> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
> MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
> Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>
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From: SkidMARX@att.net                                  20-Nov-99 03:42:04
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:01
Subj: Re: True Type Fonts in Warp 4?  HOW???

From: SkidMARX@att.net

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:33:33, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
Bissett) wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:07:33, csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly) 
> wrote:
> 
> > Isn't the font palette limited to eight entries ?
> >  
> > Csaba
> > --
> 
> It will only display 8 at one time, but you could have thousands of 
> fonts installed behind the display. Clicking Edit Font allows you to 
> select which font (and the size) to display, in the selected 
> posistion, from all of the installed fonts. All of the installed fonts
> will be available to any program that supports changing fonts.
> 
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

FYI ...

If you have Object Desktop 2.x there is a neat tool named "Object 
Inspector" ...

With it one can modify assorted and various parameters of WPS objects.
For instance I changed my font palette to display 12 different fonts, 
and I tightened up the horizontal/vertical spacing of the cells 
holding the Font name ...

All in all it is a neat toy to play with :=)

Gregory L. Marx
skidmarx@att.net

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             20-Nov-99 03:19:24
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:01
Subj: Re: about Be

From: jsjones@selectric.net

Actually, it's even older than that. It was part of CUA 91, the IBM 
spec on which the WPS was developed. Unfortunately, it was never fully
realized.

OpenDoc was at least as much an Apple effort as it was IBM's. OpenDoc 
and the Apple CyberDog object oriented web suite are still out there for 
d/load for the Mac.

In <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-RMNkRZz7mYiB@tcpserver>, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne
Sunley) writes:
>
>This sounds much the same as the "OpenDoc" product that
>was supported with OS/2 Warp 4 GA. You can install it and the
>OpenDoc multimedia support.
>
>I believe this was also a project for the MAC OS but both
>IBM and Apple dropped development on the project.
>
>Lorne Sunley
>
>

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                19-Nov-99 20:41:03
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:01
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:02:25, mark davidson 
<xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx> wrote:

> you are correct.  as i'm intel-stupid, might you be able to list which
> of their chipsets does not suffer the memory caching limitation of the
> TX series?
 
That would be the blind leading the blind.  I know the TX set is 
limited to 64 meg cached and I THINK the same holds true for the FX 
series.  The (old) HX series were OK but I've lost track in the last 
few years.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: pridgen@texas.net                                 19-Nov-99 21:59:03
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:01
Subj: Re: IBM Direct mail-order number?

From: William Pridgen <pridgen@texas.net>

On 19 Nov 1999 22:40:17 GMT, rwhutch@nr.infi.net  (R.W. Hutchinson)
wrote:

>	Anyone remember what it is?
>Thanks!
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>"I would predict that there are far greater mistakes waiting
>to be made by someone with your obvious talent for it."
>Orac to Vila. [City at the Edge of the World.]
>-----------------------------------------------
>R.W. Hutchinson. | rwhutch@nr.infi.net

Here are a couple of numbers you might try:

1-800-967-7882

1-800-388-7080

--
Bill Pridgen
--
pridgen@texas.net

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From: bbcat@netonecom.net                               19-Nov-99 23:37:01
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:02
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net>

John Hasler wrote:
> 
> Michel Catudal writes:
> > I would need to restore sanity to my PC and still be able to use Corel
> > Linux.  Anyone know the structure of Corel Linux? meaning the files where
> > I have to do the cleanup, how I switch it to boot to the console instead
> > of that ridiculous graphic boot like one can accidentally install under
> > RedHat or SuSE.
> 
> Why don't you just install Debian?  It doesn't sound like you want any of
> Corel's "improvements" anyway.  Just get the real thing.

Screwing up the boot process and lack of support of French can't be considered
improvements. I will import some stuff I got on SuSE to get the keyboard to
work correctly once I figure out the differences with SuSE. The setup of SuSE
is
different.
There are a few improvement on the graphic mode in Corel.

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From: bbcat@netonecom.net                               20-Nov-99 00:22:02
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:02
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net>

Matthew Haley wrote:
> 
> On 19 Nov 1999 12:12:05 -0600, Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net> wrote:
> > I would need to restore sanity to my PC and still be able to use Corel
Linux.
> >
> > Anyone know the structure of Corel Linux? meaning the files where I have
to do the
> > cleanup, how I switch it to boot to the console instead of that ridiculous 
graphic boot
> > like one can accidentally install under RedHat or SuSE.
> 
> First off, Corel Linux is based on Debian GNU/Linux.
> 
> On my Debian 2.1 system, the default runlevel is 2:
> 
> In /etc/inittab:
> 
> # The default runlevel.
> id:2:initdefault:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> From what I've read (I don't run X), for a graphical login the
> default runlevel is 3. Switching the default runlevel to 2 should
> put you at a console login.
> 

This is what I got in /etc/inittab
and it boots in the graphic mode.

on /etc/kbd I found a default.map.gz which I replaced with my French Canadian
keyboard file.
This shouls fix the keyboard bug (use of the US keyboard layout), it's a royal 
pain to have
to try to remember the layout of a different keyboard. At least the US
keyboard is closer to
the Azerty keyboard that SuSE insist on using during install. Whoever invented 
that stupid
Azerty keyboard should be shot.

> > It also installed a lot of usseless garbage like pmcia (On a desktop????)
> 
> Hmmm, Debian asks after the base system is installed if you want to
> remove the PMCIAWhatever package if it looks like you don't need it.
> 

I was given no option for fixing on boot.

> > and some communication stuff that I don't use. It turns out that the boot
is as long
> > as that of NT. I'm sure the winblows users will find themselves right at
home here.
> 
> When booting my system, the most time consuming part is the CD-ROM driver.
> But, I've also rebuilt my kernel with only required drivers etc so
> it could just be looking for a lot of hardware that doesn't exist.
> 

I got it to boot in it's expert mode and I was able to see where it get
stalled
during reboot. It seems to try to connect to some ghost computers. My PC with
NT
at works does the exact same thing when I move the PC in the garage with no
connection
to the local network.


> > My PC isn't hooked up to anything for the moment. I do have an ethernet
card for future
> > use.
> 
> Could detection of you ethernet card cause a prolonged boot? I don't know.

Whow knows! I have a Realtek card, plug and pray stuff.

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From: bbcat@netonecom.net                               20-Nov-99 00:26:01
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:02
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net>

Daniel wrote:
> 
> I had the same problem, so what I did was removed part of lilo, it is in the
> man page.  I *think* it was lilo -d  and then when boot manager came up, if
I
> choose corel, I would have to type linux in at a prompt to boot linux, then
> corel would continue to load, but hell better than having no os/2 boot
> manager.
> It is the part in the man page about returning the MBR to the last known
> thing, kinda like a undelete!
> g-luck
> Daniel
> 

I'll check that, thanks

When I choose hda1 on that graphic boot it brings in the OS/2 boot manager.
So to boot SuSE I have to choose hda1 on the menu then SuSE on the boot manage 
menu.
It then brings in Lilo.

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From: steint@stud.ntnu.no                               20-Nov-99 11:39:13
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:14
Subj: Java applet problem

From: "Stein L. Tomassen" <steint@stud.ntnu.no>

Hi,

I have a problem useing the keyboard i Java applets. It looks like the applet
doesn't get keyboard focus. As an example Java games at
http://www.gamesdomain.co.uk.

Am I missing some setting or do anybody else have this problem.

Stein


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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    20-Nov-99 10:33:09
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:14
Subj: Re: Try Ia.n.i. It's free!!!

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

XiKhjgmJ <XiKhjgmJ@PgDmwpfK.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
>Try Ia.n.i. 1.2 RemoteControlSystem! It's really free!!
>
>Look at http://www.fortunecity.de/wolkenkratzer/pentium/844/

Before anyone gets excited about this: all I could find at that
web site was a Windows program.  It won't run in OS/2.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          20-Nov-99 18:16:14
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:14
Subj: Re: USR modem [performance problem]

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:00:00 +0900, Wayne Bickell wrote:

:>I'm running it now with ATZ as the first string to reset the modem
:>then AT&F1 as the second string. It makes no difference. I've
:>used the strings that NT uses too, with no avail.
:>
:>Anyway, I'm convinced there's nothing wrong with the modem
:>because both BeoS and NT rock with it and it can't be my ISP
:>for the same reason. It can't be a problem with Injoy either as
:>I get the same problems using DOIP or I-Link. 
:>
:>So, where does this leave us? The OS? A problem in TCP/IP?
:>Probably, my TCP/IP stack is 4.02t and ppp.exe is 1.18b. I'll
:>try and see if I've cocked up applying the TCP/IP upgrade or
:>something.

To follow up on myself, I did a bit of checking around and I
discovered to my surprise that my MPTS and TCP/IP were
NOT up to the latest level as I had thought they were! Now
my MPTS is up to the latest (UK) level of 4.21 and TCP/IP
is up to 4.02w and things are a bit better over here.

Is it worth updating MPTS to the (US) level of 5.4? Is this
reliant on having the TCP/IP 4.1 (or later) stack which we
have to pay for?

Cheers

Wayne


******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: mere_mortal@my-deja.com                           20-Nov-99 08:05:03
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:15
Subj: OS/2 is an excellent system admin OS

From: mere_mortal@my-deja.com (mz)

I've never seen anyone say this, so I'm saying it: OS/2 is an excellent
OS to have for administering a PC. 

(I like it for all the other reasons folks have stated too: WPS, great
TCP/IP, configurability, 16-bit development for Wintendo and DOS, Java
dev, and yes, good apps and the ability to run the good Wintendo 16 code
that folks have abandoned because MickeSoft told them to). 

BootManager gives me real OS flexibility: especially necessary when
monopolist OSs demand a C: boot.

OS/2, of course, is able to install on logical partitions.

I often need to rebuild partitions because I like to have a clean
starting point when programming. PMFDISK lets me reconfigure my
partitions quickly.

The disk format feature is fast.

With ZIP.EXE and SYSINSTX, I can have a ZIP archive of an OS/2 partition
running in seconds. 

With ZIP.EXE and the W9x/WNT Emergency Diskettes, I can manage W4
partitions. 

OS/2 handles huge Zipping and Unzipping operations beautifully. These
operations never seem to slow my other concurrent work (unlike on
Wintendo NT). Just recently, I unzipped a 100 MB partition archive while
copying a 150 MB archive from a Jaz cartridge. While I worked on an
IBMWorks spreadsheet to study my finances for next year. Hombre, this is
multitasking. And I was doing it on a 486 years ago, just as I'm now
doing it on a faster AMD K6 2 today.

REXX is built-in and is very useful for automating operations.

There is plenty of good freeware and shareware available for OS/2. (And
I think many now agree that there's nothing wrong with purchasing
shareware or using freeware utilities. Some still want pretty MickeySoft
pulp and plastic from a store shelf. They are the ones with needle
tracks on their arms.)

Yes, there are many things in OS/2 that I'd like to see updated. I'm not
anxious about it. 

NO OTHER OS has given me the value that OS/2 has. It seems MickeySoft
has a legal hammer-lock on OS/2, so IBM can't do much with it. I think
MickeySoft's eagerness to keep the Cinderella in rags is an indication
of how ugly a stepsister MickeySoft really is.


-- 
MZ
- -
Dear Spambot: bill.gates@microsoft.com

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Nov-99 05:10:07
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:15
Subj: Re: VMWare and OS2

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
spake unto us, saying:

>How many people are planning to purchase VMWare because it has OS/2
>client support? Just curious...

I've already purchased a copy of their Linux VMWare server because I
thought it was a neat concept.  Not that I've actually INSTALLED the
non-beta product yet.  :-)

The ability to run OS/2 in a VM under Linux interests me, anyway, but
I'll still be booting to OS/2 on at least one machine regardless.  The
second machine normally runs Linux now, so that lets me put my second
OS/2 license to use again.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
         I love defenseless animals, especially in a good gravy.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Nov-99 04:53:25
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:15
Subj: Re: first look at BEOS

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, ricsha@rainlore.demon.co.uk
spake unto us, saying:

>There is a free demo CD available. Be prepared to be extremely
>disappointed. BeOS as a whole is thoroughly derivative, it's no
>innovator of any kind. Basically, it's MacOS (pre-X) on steroids/with
>bells 'n' whistles. As for the GUI, almost unadulterated MacOS (even
>right down to most of the Mac's worst faults).

I agree that there is a strong Mac flavor (not surprising considering
JLG's roots), but I must disagree with the statement that the BeOS GUI
is purely a Mac UI clone.

For example, BeOS makes VERY good use of RMB cascading menus (something
that I really wish the Mac had), and the movable window tabs are quite
useful if you like keeping multiple windows in the same place on the
screen (it lets you set them up like a tabbed notebook).

>For a "new" OS, I'd call it piss-poor.

I disagree -- the BeOS UI has some very nice elements.  And a command
line as well using bash(!), something the Mac sadly lacks (IMhO,
speaking as a Mac user for the past six years).

Of course, much of this is subjective impression.  :-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                 FUNEX? S,VFX. FUNEM? S,VFM. OK, MNX.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Nov-99 05:13:27
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:15
Subj: Re: VMWare and OS2

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>If it had server support, I'd buy it like a shot, but client support is 
>a waste of effort.  Why would we give up the best part of OS/2 (Crash 
>resistance and the WPS) in return for the worst part of Windud? (crashs 
>and the user interface (and I use the term "user interface" loosley)).

People here seem to be under the mistaken impression that VMWare is a
Windows-only product.  Remember that it also runs on Linux, and that
the Linux version was developed and released first.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                   And as in uffish thought he stood...

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Nov-99 04:50:05
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:15
Subj: Re: Downloading files

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

[Posted and e-mailed]

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "David I. Smith" <ac063@lafn.org>
spake unto us, saying:

>Is there by chance any software available that will enable me partialy
>to download a file, then disconnect, then reconnect and resume the
>download.  Such software is available for Windows 95, but I don't know
>about OS/2.

I use NFTP as my main ftp client on all platforms except my Mac:

  http://www.ayukov.com/nftp/index.html

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                  Your Motherboard wears combat boots.

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        20-Nov-99 12:54:06
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:15
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On 20 Nov 1999 00:14:44 GMT, Glen D <glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Right now I'm trying (and liking) ProNews beta 1.5, available from 
> > Hobbes (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu).
> 
> Do you know if development on ProNews is still going?  I can't find 
> Panacea's website anywhere.

ProNews is no longer being developed or maintained, although I believe
registrations are still accepted.

The last version was 1.5beta, and according to the developers, that's it.

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        20-Nov-99 13:06:25
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 10:33:15
Subj: Re: first look at BEOS: Gee !

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:10:03 +0100, Christian Hennecke
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
> > GNOME, while I currently prefer it over KDE, isn't really much like the
> > OS/2 UI either.  It still uses Windows-style mouse bindings, Windows-style
> > cascading menus, a Windows-style task layout -- with no apparent way to
> > change any of the above -- and is still fundamentally a task-oriented,
> > rather than object-oriented, interface design.
> > 
> > It also suffers from some annoying bugs and instabilities...
> 
> Oh my... Geez, it's mostly alpha software under heavy development! You
> can't expect it to be stable. 

If it was _presented_ as alpha software, of course I wouldn't.  However,
it's well past its 1.0 release, and is being packaged by distros as
a standard desktop.

Like I said, though, I use it anyway.

> And BTW, you can change the systems behaviour almost any way you want.
> Ever tried the different themes for GTK and Enlightenment?

Certainly.  I've yet to discover that any of these allow the panel menus,
for instance, to act like CDE or OS/2 menus instead of the abominable
Windows ones.

And the task-oriented vs object-oriented complaint is pretty fundamental
to its design.  Evolution might change that, but simple themes won't.

> GNOME surely has to go a long way to become something WPS alike.

True.

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 19-Nov-99 22:28:26
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 14:53:11
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

"J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net> wrote:

>andrew g wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:40:08, bingwNOSPAM@okanagan.net wrote:
>> 
>> > Is there an offline news reader for warp 3? or even an offline mail
reader?
>> 
>> I started with yarn and souper, then vsoup. This is a really stable
>> and reliable text mode setup. But it's a bitch to configure and you
>> have to be patient.
>> 
>> Then I installed (and bought, my mistake!) PMInews.  It's easy to use
>> and all the menu options are in the most obvious places, but it's not
>> stable. It would just spontaneously end with one of those cryptic
>> maggoty white "A program encountered a problem and could not continue"
>> dialog boxes we all know and hate.
>> 
>> Right now I'm trying (and liking) ProNews beta 1.5, available from
>> Hobbes (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu).
>> 
>> It hasn't crashed on me yet.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> andrew
>
>
>Has anyone tried News Harvest ?  If so, what did you think of it ?
>
><jf>

I guess it can be used for downloading message threads but
it's really more designed for decoding binary newsgroups. 
For that it's great -- I kick it up occasionally to view jpg
newsgroups strictly Old Master paintings <cough> and mp3s. 
Very slick, nice OS/2 look and feel -- reasonably priced at
$24 (and reasonably restricted -- the unregistered version
permits a generous quota of MBs per session).  Easily best
of this breed.  What it lacks is the option of selecting
items to download, but the developer says that's due in the
next version.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               20-Nov-99 15:06:13
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 14:53:11
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Alex Taylor schrieb:

> ProNews is no longer being developed or maintained, although I believe
> registrations are still accepted.
> 
> The last version was 1.5beta, and according to the developers, that's it.

Well, so why should anybody register it? Paying for beta software is
something we already have with Windows :-).

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        20-Nov-99 14:08:00
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 14:53:11
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On 19 Nov 1999 12:12:05 -0600, Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net> wrote:
> I burned a CD and installed Corel Linux on the 2nd drive.
> 
> It worked out OK as for the install is concerned but I came to a schock when 
I
> realized that the install would never ask me how I want it to boot. It turns
> out that it installed it's own boot on the MBR I would think and to go to
OS/2
> I have to go to a tedious process. My boot manager works well, I don't need
some
> graphic junk boot loader.

I had more or less this exact same problem.  It's not too hard to fix, as
long as you do the steps in the correct order.  See below.

> I would need to restore sanity to my PC and still be able to use Corel
Linux.
> 
> Anyone know the structure of Corel Linux? meaning the files where I have to
do the
> cleanup, how I switch it to boot to the console instead of that ridiculous
graphic boot
> like one can accidentally install under RedHat or SuSE.

Assuming that you use OS/2 Boot Manager normally...

Step 1 - Reinstall LILO as a secondary loader

Corel's boot loader is LILO, they've just added a fancy splash screen.
What you need to do is edit /etc/lilo.conf and change the line
    boot=/dev/hda
to 
    boot=/dev/<name of Corel Linux partition, e.g. hdb2>

(If you have SCSI, substitute "sda" for "hda", of course...)

YMMV, but you may also need to ditch the "compact" statement, and maybe
add "linear" as well.

To get rid of the splash screen, I _think_ you just need to get rid of the
"message" line.

Re-run 'lilo -v'. 

You may want to create a boot floppy at this point, in case Step 3 doesn't
work.


Step 2 - Remove LILO from the primary boot sequence

Boot into OS/2.  Go to a command prompt, and type
    FDISK /NEWMBR


Step 3 - Add the Corel Linux partition to Boot Manager

This is the problematic one.  Boot Manager tends to choke on partition
tables created or modified with Linux fdisk.  Try to add the Corel
partition to Boot Manager from OS/2 FDISK.  

I had to use the version of FDISK.COM from OS/2 2.1, the Warp version said
I couldn't do anything except delete it.  (If you need it, email me.)


> It also installed a lot of usseless garbage like pmcia (On a desktop????)
> and some communication stuff that I don't use. It turns out that the boot is 
as long
> as that of NT. I'm sure the winblows users will find themselves right at
home here.
> My PC isn't hooked up to anything for the moment. I do have an ethernet card 
for future
> use.

Well, they have to include all sorts of device drivers to make sure the
kernel boots on any system.  All distros do this (some just delete the
PCMCIA stuff after install).

The standard (and expected) solution is to recompile your kernel.

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From: vpclay@ibm.net                                    20-Nov-99 07:26:27
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 14:53:11
Subj: Re: IE

From: Paul Clay <vpclay@ibm.net>

Not very well.  I've installed version IE version 3.03 for Windows 3.1, and
it will run, but when loading pages it frequently throws up a Winsock error
dialog box that says something like "Async ... cannot find CB for this
socket."  If you click "ok" or "cancel" (can't remember which), the page
continues loading.  The problem seems limited mostly to pages displaying
lots of graphics (which means, most pages, these days).

I have tried tweaking the win-os2 settings with no good results.  I have
also posted a copy of the referenced error message to this forum in the
hopes someone would know how to solve the problem, again with no good
results; typical response is, "there's Navigator/Communicator for OS/2, so
why are you even trying to run M$ IE?" (To which question I think, "Well,
because OS/2 is supposed to be able to run Windows 3.1 programs; Duh!)

Ken anderson wrote:

> Does IE 16-bit work under Win-OS2? I need to connect to MS proxy server
> under BackOffice and it won't allow Netscape to connect.  I need to know
> if I should bother installing it or am I wasting my time. I think I
> remember reading that there was trouble running this under OS2.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ken

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From: pcguido@attglobal.net                             20-Nov-99 16:24:04
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 14:53:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 is an excellent system admin OS

From: pcguido@attglobal.net

In <1e1k4fx.euncar54sbp2N%mere_mortal@my-deja.com>, mere_mortal@my-deja.com
(mz) writes:
|I've never seen anyone say this, so I'm saying it: OS/2 is an excellent
|OS to have for administering a PC.
|
|(I like it for all the other reasons folks have stated too: WPS, great
|TCP/IP, configurability, 16-bit development for Wintendo and DOS, Java
|dev, and yes, good apps and the ability to run the good Wintendo 16 code
|that folks have abandoned because MickeSoft told them to).
|
|BootManager gives me real OS flexibility: especially necessary when
|monopolist OSs demand a C: boot.
|
|OS/2, of course, is able to install on logical partitions.
|
|I often need to rebuild partitions because I like to have a clean
|starting point when programming. PMFDISK lets me reconfigure my
|partitions quickly.
|
|The disk format feature is fast.
|
|With ZIP.EXE and SYSINSTX, I can have a ZIP archive of an OS/2 partition
|running in seconds.
|
|With ZIP.EXE and the W9x/WNT Emergency Diskettes, I can manage W4
|partitions.
|
|OS/2 handles huge Zipping and Unzipping operations beautifully. These
|operations never seem to slow my other concurrent work (unlike on
|Wintendo NT). Just recently, I unzipped a 100 MB partition archive while
|copying a 150 MB archive from a Jaz cartridge. While I worked on an
|IBMWorks spreadsheet to study my finances for next year. Hombre, this is
|multitasking. And I was doing it on a 486 years ago, just as I'm now
|doing it on a faster AMD K6 2 today.
|
|REXX is built-in and is very useful for automating operations.
|
|There is plenty of good freeware and shareware available for OS/2. (And
|I think many now agree that there's nothing wrong with purchasing
|shareware or using freeware utilities. Some still want pretty MickeySoft
|pulp and plastic from a store shelf. They are the ones with needle
|tracks on their arms.)
|
|Yes, there are many things in OS/2 that I'd like to see updated. I'm not
|anxious about it.
|
|NO OTHER OS has given me the value that OS/2 has. It seems MickeySoft
|has a legal hammer-lock on OS/2, so IBM can't do much with it. I think
|MickeySoft's eagerness to keep the Cinderella in rags is an indication
|of how ugly a stepsister MickeySoft really is.
|
|MZ

Bravo, all good points; but, especially the Cinderella observation.

I think Mr Bill's animus towards OS/2 results from two facts
which haunt him to this day:

1. OS/2 is the best work MS ever produced.
2. MS was not good enough to finish the product.

regards,

Guido

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From: bbcat@netonecom.net                               20-Nov-99 10:14:04
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 14:53:12
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net>

Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> On 19 Nov 1999 12:12:05 -0600, Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net> wrote:
> > I burned a CD and installed Corel Linux on the 2nd drive.
> >
> > It worked out OK as for the install is concerned but I came to a schock
when I
> > realized that the install would never ask me how I want it to boot. It
turns
> > out that it installed it's own boot on the MBR I would think and to go to
OS/2
> > I have to go to a tedious process. My boot manager works well, I don't
need some
> > graphic junk boot loader.
> 
> I had more or less this exact same problem.  It's not too hard to fix, as
> long as you do the steps in the correct order.  See below.
> 
> > I would need to restore sanity to my PC and still be able to use Corel
Linux.
> >
> > Anyone know the structure of Corel Linux? meaning the files where I have
to do the
> > cleanup, how I switch it to boot to the console instead of that ridiculous 
graphic boot
> > like one can accidentally install under RedHat or SuSE.
> 
> Assuming that you use OS/2 Boot Manager normally...
> 
> Step 1 - Reinstall LILO as a secondary loader
> 
> Corel's boot loader is LILO, they've just added a fancy splash screen.
> What you need to do is edit /etc/lilo.conf and change the line
>     boot=/dev/hda
> to
>     boot=/dev/<name of Corel Linux partition, e.g. hdb2>
> 
> (If you have SCSI, substitute "sda" for "hda", of course...)
> 
> YMMV, but you may also need to ditch the "compact" statement, and maybe
> add "linear" as well.
> 
> To get rid of the splash screen, I _think_ you just need to get rid of the
> "message" line.
> 
> Re-run 'lilo -v'.
> 
> You may want to create a boot floppy at this point, in case Step 3 doesn't
> work.
> 
> Step 2 - Remove LILO from the primary boot sequence
> 
> Boot into OS/2.  Go to a command prompt, and type
>     FDISK /NEWMBR
> 
> Step 3 - Add the Corel Linux partition to Boot Manager
> 
> This is the problematic one.  Boot Manager tends to choke on partition
> tables created or modified with Linux fdisk.  Try to add the Corel
> partition to Boot Manager from OS/2 FDISK.
> 
> I had to use the version of FDISK.COM from OS/2 2.1, the Warp version said
> I couldn't do anything except delete it.  (If you need it, email me.)
> 
> > It also installed a lot of usseless garbage like pmcia (On a desktop????)
> > and some communication stuff that I don't use. It turns out that the boot
is as long
> > as that of NT. I'm sure the winblows users will find themselves right at
home here.
> > My PC isn't hooked up to anything for the moment. I do have an ethernet
card for future
> > use.
> 
> Well, they have to include all sorts of device drivers to make sure the
> kernel boots on any system.  All distros do this (some just delete the
> PCMCIA stuff after install).
> 
> The standard (and expected) solution is to recompile your kernel.
> 
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
>  alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you.
So far I did some of that but not all.
I changed lilo.conf to be quite similar to what I got on SuSE except for the
partition
which is hdb2 instead of hdb1 and hdb6. What I didn't do is fdisk /newmbr

When I booted everything seems correct until I went into fdisk to put the
partition on
the boot manager. Come to find out that the partitions is seen as corrupted.
My next
move was to remove the partition under SuSE and clean it up. I didn't think
about this.
I will try this but if that doesn't work I'm not sure at this point, this hard 
disk is 14G.

It looks to me that Corel screws up big by not allowing to install on an
allready formated
partition. I messed up when It formatted the partition that I allocated to it.

I went to partition magic and it doesn't recognize the drive at all. SuSE is
the only one
that sees it.

-- 
Tann du plantage avec Ti-Mou?
C'est l'temps d'essayer Linux
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
We have software, food, music, news, search,
history, electronics and genealogy pages.

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          20-Nov-99 17:31:24
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 14:53:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 is an excellent system admin OS

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>pcguido@attglobal.net
>MS was not good enough to finish [OS/2].

On the other hand, IBM "finished" OS/2. Yes, under IBM's stewardship,
OS/2 is *definitely* "finished".

Someone fetch the trumpet already and play taps.

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From: salisali@my-deja.com                              20-Nov-99 17:31:13
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 14:53:12
Subj: Where i can get Borland/turbo C compiler for os/2 ?

From: salisali@my-deja.com

Hi ,
does anyone know where i can get a "free" copy of Borland/turbo C
Compiler for os/2 that at least be compatible with os/2 v2.1 and also
it has all of the help files that is important to assist for
programming ?
- thanks -


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    20-Nov-99 13:42:01
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 18:58:10
Subj: Netscape 4.61 dies

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Suddenly Netscape 4.61 and 2.02 refuse to load. In the case of 4.61 I see
the splash screen detailing the loading of plug-ins, etc, then nothing.
With 2.02 there's a brief disk activity, then nothing. The errors in
popuplog are copied below. The first two relate to one attempt with 4.61,
the last two to one attempt with 2.02.

Warp 4 FP11


11-20-1999  13:02:49  SYS2070  PID 0026  TID 0001  Slot 0053
D:\NETSCAPE4\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
NPFI->WPINSTAL.19
182
------------------------------------------------------------

11-20-1999  13:02:50  SYS2070  PID 0026  TID 0001  Slot 0053
D:\NETSCAPE4\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
NPFI->WPINSTAL.19
182
------------------------------------------------------------

11-20-1999  13:03:51  SYS2070  PID 0027  TID 0001  Slot 0055
D:\NETSCAPE\NETSCAPE.EXE
NPFI->WPINSTAL.19
182
------------------------------------------------------------

11-20-1999  13:03:52  SYS2070  PID 0027  TID 0001  Slot 0055
D:\NETSCAPE\NETSCAPE.EXE
NPFI->WPINSTAL.19
182

Pierre
-- 
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                               | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
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   http://www.nycbeer.org      | www.mp3.com/jeniferjackson

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           20-Nov-99 19:10:12
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 18:58:10
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 dies

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:42:02, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:

> 
> Suddenly Netscape 4.61 and 2.02 refuse to load. In the case of 4.61 I see
> the splash screen detailing the loading of plug-ins, etc, then nothing.
> With 2.02 there's a brief disk activity, then nothing. The errors in
> popuplog are copied below. The first two relate to one attempt with 4.61,
> the last two to one attempt with 2.02.
> 
> Warp 4 FP11

From the messages you appear to have a bad version
of the NPDI.DLL plugin, or perhaps npfimri.dll.

You can try removing these from the plugins directory
and see if that allows you to start netscape. They
are placed in the plugins directory when you run
fisetup.exe (This is the feature installer).

Lorne Sunley

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           20-Nov-99 19:41:05
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:01
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 dies

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:10:25, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) 
wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:42:02, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Suddenly Netscape 4.61 and 2.02 refuse to load. In the case of 4.61 I see
> > the splash screen detailing the loading of plug-ins, etc, then nothing.
> > With 2.02 there's a brief disk activity, then nothing. The errors in
> > popuplog are copied below. The first two relate to one attempt with 4.61,
> > the last two to one attempt with 2.02.
> > 
> > Warp 4 FP11
> 
> From the messages you appear to have a bad version
> of the NPDI.DLL plugin, or perhaps npfimri.dll.
> 
> You can try removing these from the plugins directory
> and see if that allows you to start netscape. They
> are placed in the plugins directory when you run
> fisetup.exe (This is the feature installer).
> 

Sorry there was a typo there, the DLL names are
NPFI.DLL and NPFIMRI.DLL

Lorne Sunley

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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  20-Nov-99 18:17:13
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: Java applet problem

From: mchasson@ibm.net

In <fgrvagfghqagahab.fli8xq0.pminews@news.ntnu.no>, on 11/20/99 at 11:39
AM,
   "Stein L. Tomassen" <steint@stud.ntnu.no> said:

>http://www.gamesdomain.co.uk.

I just tried it and shot a couple of dozen thingies out of the screen.

Do you have Java 1.1.8 installed???
-- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51 

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From: bbcat@netonecom.net                               20-Nov-99 17:13:01
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net>

Michel Catudal wrote:
> 
> Alex Taylor wrote:
> >
> > On 19 Nov 1999 12:12:05 -0600, Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net> wrote:
> > > I burned a CD and installed Corel Linux on the 2nd drive.
> > >
> > > It worked out OK as for the install is concerned but I came to a schock
when I
> > > realized that the install would never ask me how I want it to boot. It
turns
> > > out that it installed it's own boot on the MBR I would think and to go
to OS/2
> > > I have to go to a tedious process. My boot manager works well, I don't
need some
> > > graphic junk boot loader.
> >
> > I had more or less this exact same problem.  It's not too hard to fix, as
> > long as you do the steps in the correct order.  See below.
> >
> > > I would need to restore sanity to my PC and still be able to use Corel
Linux.
> > >
> > > Anyone know the structure of Corel Linux? meaning the files where I have 
to do the
> > > cleanup, how I switch it to boot to the console instead of that
ridiculous graphic boot
> > > like one can accidentally install under RedHat or SuSE.
> >
> > Assuming that you use OS/2 Boot Manager normally...
> >
> > Step 1 - Reinstall LILO as a secondary loader
> >
> > Corel's boot loader is LILO, they've just added a fancy splash screen.
> > What you need to do is edit /etc/lilo.conf and change the line
> >     boot=/dev/hda
> > to
> >     boot=/dev/<name of Corel Linux partition, e.g. hdb2>
> >
> > (If you have SCSI, substitute "sda" for "hda", of course...)
> >
> > YMMV, but you may also need to ditch the "compact" statement, and maybe
> > add "linear" as well.
> >
> > To get rid of the splash screen, I _think_ you just need to get rid of the
> > "message" line.
> >
> > Re-run 'lilo -v'.
> >
> > You may want to create a boot floppy at this point, in case Step 3 doesn't
> > work.
> >
> > Step 2 - Remove LILO from the primary boot sequence
> >
> > Boot into OS/2.  Go to a command prompt, and type
> >     FDISK /NEWMBR
> >
> > Step 3 - Add the Corel Linux partition to Boot Manager
> >
> > This is the problematic one.  Boot Manager tends to choke on partition
> > tables created or modified with Linux fdisk.  Try to add the Corel
> > partition to Boot Manager from OS/2 FDISK.
> >
> > I had to use the version of FDISK.COM from OS/2 2.1, the Warp version said
> > I couldn't do anything except delete it.  (If you need it, email me.)
> >
> > > It also installed a lot of usseless garbage like pmcia (On a
desktop????)
> > > and some communication stuff that I don't use. It turns out that the
boot is as long
> > > as that of NT. I'm sure the winblows users will find themselves right at 
home here.
> > > My PC isn't hooked up to anything for the moment. I do have an ethernet
card for future
> > > use.
> >
> > Well, they have to include all sorts of device drivers to make sure the
> > kernel boots on any system.  All distros do this (some just delete the
> > PCMCIA stuff after install).
> >
> > The standard (and expected) solution is to recompile your kernel.
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >  Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
> >  alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Thank you.
> So far I did some of that but not all.
> I changed lilo.conf to be quite similar to what I got on SuSE except for the 
partition
> which is hdb2 instead of hdb1 and hdb6. What I didn't do is fdisk /newmbr
> 
> When I booted everything seems correct until I went into fdisk to put the
partition on
> the boot manager. Come to find out that the partitions is seen as corrupted. 
My next
> move was to remove the partition under SuSE and clean it up. I didn't think
about this.
> I will try this but if that doesn't work I'm not sure at this point, this
hard disk is 14G.
> 
> It looks to me that Corel screws up big by not allowing to install on an
allready formated
> partition. I messed up when It formatted the partition that I allocated to
it.
> 
> I went to partition magic and it doesn't recognize the drive at all. SuSE is 
the only one
> that sees it.
> 

fdisk /newmbr /disk:2 doesn't work, MBR and partition tables messed up and
OS/2 isn't
able to repair it.
I have nothing to back my Corel install so I tared all the files except proc
and rebooted under
SuSE Linux. I will then delete all the directories except proc hoping that
after I delete
the partition that I will be able to recover this space with partition magic.
If not there
will be a lot of cursing toward Corel. The only solution will be then to zip
all my stuff and
copy over to a winblows partition and burn CDs and reinstall everything after
I restore
the sanity of the hard disk with SuSE and partition magic.

Not being able to access that partition with the boot manager I did manage
somehow to get
lilo under SuSE to boot it correctly.

As for the bug which force a graphic boot, the runlevel was the correct one
for a console boot
but for some mysterious reason Corel saw it fit to override this during boot
and force a graphic
boot no matter what. The solution to the bug was to move the kdm script to
some junk directory.
The DHCP garbage streching of the boot  la winblows was eliminated in the
same way. While under
SuSE I moved the offending scripts. When I rebooted on Corel it worked
beautifully.
There was also another extremmely annoying bug involving the keyboard. I found 
out that with
the graphic boot my override of the keyboard with .Xmodmap seems to be largely 
ignored. With
a console boot it seems to work ok.

An advice to all who are thinking of Corel : Unless Corel is the only thing
that you will install
on your PC, wait for a fix to the install bug, assuming that it is likely to
come. If the fix
doesn't come, you better ignore Corel unless you are willing to practice your
swearing vocabulary.
And just in case your temper could go, hide the shutgun. You must always
remember that that poor
PC isn't the culprit but Corel is. Take the winblows proctecting mode shield
--> be prepared
for any fuck up  la winblows. This is pushing the winblows ways way to much!
Bad move Corel ...

-- 
Tann du plantage avec Ti-Mou?
C'est l'temps d'essayer Linux
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
We have software, food, music, news, search,
history, electronics and genealogy pages.

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     21-Nov-99 00:42:29
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:54:13, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)
wrote:

> On 20 Nov 1999 00:14:44 GMT, Glen D <glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Right now I'm trying (and liking) ProNews beta 1.5, available from 
> > > Hobbes (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu).
> > 
> > Do you know if development on ProNews is still going?  I can't find 
> > Panacea's website anywhere.
> 
> ProNews is no longer being developed or maintained, although I believe
> registrations are still accepted.
> 
> The last version was 1.5beta, and according to the developers, that's it.
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
>  alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

What a shame.  It's a great newsreader.  Wonder if the developers 
would be willing to release the source code and let the OS/2 community
perfect it.

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: steint@stud.ntnu.no                               21-Nov-99 00:55:15
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: Java applet problem

From: "Stein L. Tomassen" <steint@stud.ntnu.no>

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:17:27 -0500, mchasson@ibm.net wrote:

>In <fgrvagfghqagahab.fli8xq0.pminews@news.ntnu.no>, on 11/20/99 at 11:39
>AM,
>   "Stein L. Tomassen" <steint@stud.ntnu.no> said:
>
>>http://www.gamesdomain.co.uk.
>
>I just tried it and shot a couple of dozen thingies out of the screen.
>
>Do you have Java 1.1.8 installed???
Yes, and I have had this problem for some time now. From witch version I don
not remeber.

Stein


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    21-Nov-99 03:58:05
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: VMWare and OS2

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Martin Nisshagen (forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote:

: I don't know too much abut Bochs, but if it's even slower than VMware is it
: doesn't seem to be very useful.

	Bochs is free, Martin. ;-)

	Plus the source is available for anyone to port it.  Another 
thing also that since Bochs tries to emulate the entire CPU, one can 
probably develop software for a particular CPU architecture (ie. 
286/386).  Or possibly in making sure that it can be compatible with that 
if one so desired without actually having a 286/386 machine on site.


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From: karen_c_ro@hotmail.com                            21-Nov-99 12:28:16
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: Where i can get Borland/turbo C compiler for os/2 ?

From: "Karen" <karen_c_ro@hotmail.com>

I forgot that link, but seems that it has a time
limit to d/l, maybe already expired.
How about Microsoft C 6.0 ? you can d/l it here,
but you have to register it first - free.
http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/ddk/
Kelvin
--
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http://www.os2.org.hk
news://news.freeforum.org/comp.os.os2
#-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#



<salisali@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:816ltf$nql$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hi ,
> does anyone know where i can get a "free" copy of Borland/turbo C
> Compiler for os/2 that at least be compatible with os/2 v2.1 and also
> it has all of the help files that is important to assist for
> programming ?
> - thanks -



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From: karen_c_ro@hotmail.com                            21-Nov-99 12:06:14
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: Help for OS/2 users

From: "Karen" <karen_c_ro@hotmail.com>

Thanks, it's really a good place.

Kelvin



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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    21-Nov-99 03:13:14
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: UMAX 1220S scanner and OS/2

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

thethoms (thethoms@pacbell.net) wrote:

: 	The card is reported to be a UDS-IS11/ISA (also known as a DTC-3181LE
: SCSI card).  Does anyone have any tips (other than getting a different
: card?)

	In order to use it under OS/2 you will need to get a new SCSI 
card.  Under Linux there was a way to get it working as a NCR SCSI card 
but it did require one to edit some of the soure code of the kernel, not 
to mention, was just plain really slow in performance.

	You should be able to find a nice cheap Smybios Logic NCR810 or 
Initio FAST-2 scsi card.  I picked up a Initio 9100U for about $90 CDN.

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From: ricsha@rainlore.demon.co.uk                       21-Nov-99 00:19:22
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: first look at BEOS

From: ricsha@rainlore.demon.co.uk

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:43:01 GMT, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

>In <3834b70e.34373436@news.demon.co.uk>, ricsha@rainlore.demon.co.uk writes:

>>Think again. Not going to happen. Also bear in mind that SOM is not
>>only used by OS/2. You'l find it on several other of IBM's own OSs
>>(AIX, and IIRC OS/400), as well as others, inc. MacOS (certainly pre -
>>X).
>>
>>That apart, Linux certainly has no more (actually, a lot fewer) apps
>>available than OS/2 and would seem an absolutely ludicrous migration
>>path from OS/2 to me.
>>
>>>I would also like to try BeOS if it's possible to download some beta or
demo
>>>of it.
>>
>>There is a free demo CD available. Be prepared to be extremely
>>disappointed. BeOS as a whole is thoroughly derivative, it's no
>>innovator of any kind. Basically, it's MacOS (pre-X) on steroids/with
>>bells 'n' whistles. As for the GUI, almost unadulterated MacOS (even
>>right down to most of the Mac's worst faults). For a "new" OS, I'd
>>call it piss-poor. But the majority of Be users seem to come from the
>>Win 9x world with no experience or even idea of other OSs and
>>therefore most seem delirious with this magic, revolutionary OS... ;-)
>>
>>
>>Ric
>>
>
>geez ricsha, you don't have to be THAT negative ! I'd admit to reading
>the website, buying the full CD and being disappointed, but : BeOS has 
>some nice features. Maybe they are just rehashed Mac stuff, but Intel

That's exactly the whole point - it's a "clone", and a pretty mediocre
one at that, of an OS and GUI that's over ten years out of date! Be is
doing exactly what Microsoft has always done - not innovating itself
but merely reacting and copying other's ideas/products. (Only two
differences are, MS has actually been a bit more
adventurous/enterpising - e.g., the fairly huge shift in terms of
having to overcome user "muscle memory" from the Win 3.x to the Win32
GUI -, and, needless to say, they've been hugely more successful
at/with it, albeit not necessarily by entirely fair means... ;-)  ) So
I completely reject your assertion that there's no need "to be THAT
negative" - it's being purely *objective*, and whether that's negative
or positive is, per se, irrelevant.

>Users don't get to have Mac stuff, now that our buddy Apple decided
>not to give us the NeXT derivatives. 

OPENSTEP 4.2 is still available and will remain supported by Apple for
years to come. Also, what exactly may happen in the future wrt MacOS X
Server/Intel - aka OPENSTEP 5.x - remains yet to be seen. Apple
haven't said either way, all they actually did say was that there are
no *current* plans to "productize" it. 

However, either way, there is a difference greater than chalk and
cheese between the traditional, pre-X MacOS (and to call that archaic
is being kind!), and the NeXT/OPENSTEP-based MacOS X Server and the
forthcoming consumer MacOS X. And compared to MacOS X Server
certainly, BeOS is totally and utterly out-classed, just as much as is
the latter's "inspiration", the old-style MacOS. (It is extremely
unfortunate that Apple saw it necessary to inflict large chunks of the
old Mac GUI style and functionality on MOSXS/MOSX so as not to offend
their largely brain-dead userbase with a new and - heaven forbid! -
vastly superior UI, however, most of the original UI functionality
remains intact at least in MOSXS and 3rd party add-ons are available
to mostly restore the NeXT feel and user-experience.) So I really
don't see where Intel users are being deprived in terms of *Mac* stuff
- old MacOS doesn't run on x86 in the first place (though emulation is
pretty good these days), and the "new" MacOS has essentially little in
common with the old.

>Graphics is handled better than OS/2
>by a bunch - at the same resolution any graphics look better in BeOS. 

Where the hardware is actually supported (even harder to find than for
OS/2), ok it's better, but no more so than under other x86 OSs like NT
and even Win 9x. And actual gfx *performance* is really nothing to
write home about. On the same hardware, BeOS is totally outclassed on
that score by OPENSTEP and NT.

>Supported hardware is better implemented than OS/2 - change a video 
>card, poof, system recognizes and reconfigures automatically. Sound 
>likewise. 

If you're lucky, and if your hardware is supported. Even then, even
just judging by the Be related usenet NGs, plenty of people seem to
have plenty of problems - proportionatly, probably about the same as
for most OSs. In any case, certainly nothing new.

>The midi player is excellent. BeOS has a journaling file system
>out of the box. 

Of sorts, yes. So far, it can't span volumes/disks for instance, which
negates much of the usefulness of a journeled fs. And as such, hardly
a new idea anyway.

>And the most important (to me at least) the BeOS people
>are excellent - helpful, personable, excited about their product. They

Easy with as tiny a userbase as BeOS has. Still doesn't improve the
basic product any. If I want to sell a piece of horse manure, I still
don't improve the manure any by being helpful, personable and excited
about it, it's still just horse manure.

>are trying to produce a commercial product which fills a need in competition
>with certain unnamed mobsters, rather than kissing ass and splitting the 

Frankly, that's a load of pie-in-the-sky, to put it no stronger...
BeOS, according to Be themselves, does not even seek to compete
against "the mainstream" (at least I'll grant them that their
realistic on that front - far mightier corps. have tried that game in
the past and failed miserably in the face of certain anti-competitive
practices). And they certainly wouldn't have a hope in hell in their
present situation (even if there wasn't a monopoly to be overcome and
if there were no anti-competitive practices). BeOS is no more ready
for the mainstream market than Linux - apart from the severely limited
h/w support, and more importantly actually, there just are no
mainstream-type productivity apps of any kind. There are very few apps
available overall for Be, and what there is is largely pretty pathetic
or at best mediocre.

But then, in reality this probably hardly matters to Be anyway. I more
than strongly suspect that their intended main target is the embedded
market, things like IAAs/DCAs/whatever you want to call them. This
again is by now an extremely crowded market, but they might stand a
better chance there.

>take. Rather than making bigtime solution promises which they later disclaim, 

>they target what they intend to do and attempt to achieve those goals. R4 
>was a disappointment, R4.5 much better, with luck R5 will do what I want 
>(Multimedia, which OS/2 is lamentably poor at.) 

In practical terms, not a lot lamentably poorer than BeOS, given the
latter's total lack of any serious MM apps and the so far non-existent
support for pro-level MM hardware.

>Not once have I read of any 
>BeOS announcements that they are offering many new products for small 
>business - for every operating system *except* the one they sold me. Never 
>have I seen Be develop new versions of BeOS programs for Linux while not 
>making them available for Be. No one from BeOS has offered to help me 
>migrate to a less-desirable o.s. in the name of ?? what can it be but
convenience and $$ for them ? There is sort of a warm fuzzy feeling actually
believing 
>that your os vendor truly *wants* you as a customer. Sometimes it can be 
>better to own a Chevrolet with good service than a Mercedes where the 
>dealer makes a point of defecating on you.

And your point is exactly, what? Where is this in the slightes
relevant to the quality or lack thereof and originality of the OS?

>The demo CD is $10. One thing you'll notice is that any graphics displays
>are *much* sharper, 

Same could be said for most other OSs. Just because some feature
performs better than with OS/2, does this in itself make BeOS in any
way excellent? Of course not. 

>text is better defined, and no MMOS2. The sound
>and video systems don't crash the desktop. The midi player, for example,
>is just *excellent.* Unicode support is built into the system. For people

And I suppose next you'll be telling us that Be practically invented
it? 

>who use foreign languages this promises to be a boon. For me one of the 
>few flaws in OS/2 is the poor screen and text display . .  wonder if Display 
>Ghostscript could become a new OS/2 hobbiest project ?
>
>BeOS is okay - at what they are attempting to do they seem to be
>fairly successful. Maybe this is all old hat to Macintosh users, but on Intel
>OS/2 seems pretty dated multimedia-wise while windows  is . . . ugh. It 
>probably makes a better companion to OS/2 than to Windows - OS/2 lacks 
>more in playtoys where Be is strong, but has better usability for serious 
>work. Get the best of both worlds - BeOS for fun, OS/2 for work.

Yeah, that about sums it up for me - a toy OS. And one that's been
"born" old - almost totally archaic. 


Ric

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From: karen_c_ro@hotmail.com                            21-Nov-99 12:10:05
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 02:58:02
Subj: Re: VMWare and OS2

From: "Karen" <karen_c_ro@hotmail.com>

John, you are wrong, Bochs is not free, but as I can
remember it only cost about $10-$15, and the app itself
is packed in an unlimited full feature product.

Kelvin
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John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote in message
news:817qki$drh$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...
> Martin Nisshagen (forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote:
>
> : I don't know too much abut Bochs, but if it's even slower than VMware is
it
> : doesn't seem to be very useful.
>
> Bochs is free, Martin. ;-)
>
> Plus the source is available for anyone to port it.  Another
> thing also that since Bochs tries to emulate the entire CPU, one can
> probably develop software for a particular CPU architecture (ie.
> 286/386).  Or possibly in making sure that it can be compatible with that
> if one so desired without actually having a 286/386 machine on site.



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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    21-Nov-99 07:45:14
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 05:24:19
Subj: Re: VMWare and OS2

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Karen (karen_c_ro@hotmail.com) wrote:
: John, you are wrong, Bochs is not free, but as I can
: remember it only cost about $10-$15, and the app itself
: is packed in an unlimited full feature product.

	Oops, my bad.  I was thinking of Freemware, a projected started 
by the same guy who is doing Bochs, that is going to be free.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Nov-99 23:25:29
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 05:24:19
Subj: Re: first look at BEOS

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, ricsha@rainlore.demon.co.uk spake unto us, saying:

>On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:53:50 -0600, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard
>Steiner) wrote:
>
>>I agree that there is a strong Mac flavor (not surprising considering
>>JLG's roots), but I must disagree with the statement that the BeOS GUI
>>is purely a Mac UI clone.
>>
>>For example, BeOS makes VERY good use of RMB cascading menus (something
>>that I really wish the Mac had), 
>
>Personally, I find them more of a pain in the butt most of the time.
>However, that's not rerally the point here...

The point of this discussion is the general usefulness and utility of
the GUI bundled with the BeOS, and I for one find the RMB menus to be
an extremely useful (and flexible) way to traverse the directory tree
so I can get at things quickly without having to open lots of windows.

Then again, I also tend to use similar features here in OS/2 either via
WarpCenter or via OD's Control Center, so the concept isn't new to me
(and I've learned over time to exploit it effectively).

You can disagree if you want, but that doesn't make you correct from my
point of view.  :-)

>>and the movable window tabs are quite
>>useful if you like keeping multiple windows in the same place on the
>>screen (it lets you set them up like a tabbed notebook).
>
>Hmm, yes, one can always find a reason/justification why a given
>feature can be good/useful. I see this as little more than a gimmick.

The sliding tabs are far less useful than the RMB menu stuff, and in
some ways is less convenient because of the resulting lesser area in
the window titlebar, but I find them to be a useful addition.

>>>For a "new" OS, I'd call it piss-poor.
>>
>>I disagree -- the BeOS UI has some very nice elements.  And a command
>
>Apart from the two earlier discussed "innovations", none that MacOS
>hasn't had for yonks..

The MacOS doesn't have either one of those features, and I don't recall
using the word "innovate" anywhere in this thread (although the sliding
window tabs might well qualify as innovative as I've not seen those done
anywhere else).

The cascading RMB menus aren't a new concept, but BeOS implements them
very well (IMhO, of course).

>>line as well using bash(!), something the Mac sadly lacks (IMhO,
>>speaking as a Mac user for the past six years).
>
>Add-on shells have been available for MacOS for a long while.

There's a big difference between an add-on Mac shell like MacDOS and a
useful CLI environment, and with the ports of slrn and lynx and various
tools from the Geek Gadgets collection and elsewhere, the shell in BeOS
actually becomes a useful environment for me.

>But don't expect Apple to ever "inflict" such indignities upon its
>average userbase with their consumer OS versions.  ;-) (I.e., MacOS X,
>vs. the non-consumer MOSX Server which comes with two shells as standard
>of course.)

I've used a Mac everyday for the past six years at work, but I really
don't need a CLI at work in that context -- the CLI environments I use
there are my programming environments (OS2200 and Solaris), and the TSO
and VM environments for various applications related to my job function.

At home, though, my requirements are quite different, which is why I've
been using OS/2 here as my primary OS for the past seven years.

In my mind, the Mac is fine.  It's simple to use, it allows me to hide
applications (either by selecting hide, or by double-clicking the title
bar to windowshade them temporarily), it seems to handle icon aliases
well, and its nice enough to remember application types and creators
without having to depend on something as stupid as a file extension.

While I'd choose something like the OS/2 WPS in a heartbeat over a Mac
in most instances, the Mac is fine.  Both are better than the shell on
Windows NT, IMhO.  The only thing I don't like about the Mac in my work
context is the fact that I can't grab any window corner to resize the
various windows (and there are add-ons to solve that problem).

>>Of course, much of this is subjective impression.  :-)
>
>Not on my part :-)

Heheh.  :-)

>-Running OS/2 + OPENSTEP4.2 + NT4 + Solaris + BeOS + MacOS 8.1 + MacOS
>X Server + DOS (and, at one time or another in the past, QNX/Photon,
>Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Sco Unixware, Amiga OS, and a few more....)
>;-)

I'm not counting a lot of the OSes I've used in the past or any of the
environments that I use at work because they aren't currently installed
at home here -- I could add a LOT more to my list otherwise.  :-)

Off the subject: You use OpenStep 4.2, and that interests me, but I've
never seen it.  I assume it's a NextStep derivative?

What types of hardware does it run on?  Is it something that I could
potentially install on a PPro with a 2940UW?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                                  Ni!

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From: matt196@mindspring.com                            21-Nov-99 02:11:03
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: Which printer do YOU use?

From: Nelson and Satasha Williams <matt196@mindspring.com>

Can anyone recommend a good inkjet that they currently use with Warp 4?
I'm currently looking at the Canon BJC-5000, Epson Stylus-660, Lexmark
3200, and the HP 812C.  Now, I haven't found any drivers for any of
these in the Device Driver pack, so does anyone have any other
suggestions for which printer to get if not one of these?

Nelson
matt196@mindspring.com

PS - I think anything would be an improvement from the Canon BJC-210 I
currently have.



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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    21-Nov-99 07:34:05
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Nelson and Satasha Williams (matt196@mindspring.com) wrote:
: Can anyone recommend a good inkjet that they currently use with Warp 4?
: I'm currently looking at the Canon BJC-5000, Epson Stylus-660, Lexmark
: 3200, and the HP 812C.  Now, I haven't found any drivers for any of
: these in the Device Driver pack, so does anyone have any other
: suggestions for which printer to get if not one of these?

	There is a Lexmark 3200 driver.  Dunno where you have been 
looking but it is listed on both Lexmark's website and IBM's Device 
Driver Pak Online website.
	There was a Canon BJC-5000 driver, but it is no longer listed 
anymore.  I wouldn't recommend that one anyway for OS/2 use, it doesn't 
even have a Windows 3.1 driver meaning it can not be used under Win-OS/2 
at all.
	HP 812C is basically the samething as the 880.  Only difference 
would be software bundle and (almost ridicously) it can not use the 42ml 
black inkjet cartridge, only the 21ml.  Why this is silly is because the 
two go at the same price.  HP really screwed some people with that one.
	The Epson Stylus 660 shouldn't be that much different from the 
600.  I do recall people posting here about successfully using the 640 
with the 600 driver.  I would guess one can do that with the 660, too.

	This is all dependent on what you are looking to do with your 
printer.  Do you want super photo printing?  Do want just OS/2 native 
printing or would Win-OS/2 work for you as well?  If you want OS/2 native 
printing (as well as photos) than your choice is reduced to simply the 
Lexmark 3200 and the Epson Stylus 660.
	The Canon BJC-5000 should be avoided at all costs (if you wanted 
a Canon printer, then the BJC-6000 would've been the one).  The HP 812C 
is fine for black text and basic color under native OS/2.  But one would 
not get the finer photo results until you began using it under Win-OS/2.

	The Lexmark 3200 (along with the Canon BJC-5000, and even 6000) 
are WinPrinters.  They rely on your CPU in order to get the printer to 
function when it comes time to print.  Epson Stylus 660 I don't think is, 
neither is the HP 812C.  Only problem I have with the Epson is that it 
uses a fixed printhead system, not to mention IBM have not updated the 
EPOMNI driver since like 1998 (I wish they would).
	If you have a good enough computer (eg. Pentium 166Mhz, 32+ RAM) 
than the Lexmark 3200 armed with the IEEE-1284 BIDI printer driver is 
tough to beat out of the ones you have listed, especially since Lexmark do 
their own driver work.  Epson is also tough to beat, but they do go 
through ink pretty fast.  They always do a cleaning cycle, literally, 
after each time you power the printer on which I find annoying.  Lexmark 
inkjet printers, BTW, are the only one's that I know of that do not go 
through any type of cleaning cycle during powerup, they left it strictly 
up to the user (which I think is a better method).  Some others like 
Canon (and I think HP) do have a timer in the printer, so after powering 
it up one day and printing something, the next day after powerup, no 
cleaning cycle is done since it is not necessary (but even that isn't 
perfect since a black out would reset the timer).

	Another batch to look at for inkjet printers are some of the 
other Lexmark printers, the newer Z31 and Z51 look pretty good.  The Z11 
can not be used natively under OS/2, but I would imagine it can be used 
under Win-OS/2.  But again, they are host-based printers (WinPrinters) so 
they will tax your system unless you have a fairly powerful one.
	Another one to look at for a pure economical value in the long 
run could be the Canon BJC-6000, their flagship printer.  It's OS/2 driver 
support sucks right now, IMO, I think the driver is only like 360x360dpi 
printing.  It is capable of 1440x720dpi.  You won't get the best results 
under OS/2, but you probably will under Win-OS/2.  It uses individual 
inkjet tanks for each color.  If refilling, this could be a real dandy to
have.

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                21-Nov-99 03:24:16
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: Re: Fast file searches?

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:40:43, grinnell@acunet.net wrote:

> I was wondering if there were faster means for doing file searches under
OS/2.
> 
> I'm currently running Warp 4 (FP10) and if I initiate a file search (ie. 
*.cmd) on
> a 1 GB HPFS partition it seams to take a VERY long time to return the
results.
> 
> I'm using the find tool that pops up when one right clicks on the desktop
and
> selects Find...
> 
> Aside from buying new hardware what are people doing to speed up simple
> file searches?

One things that might help - and that doesn't take 100% CPU time.

In Config.sys add a line (replace E: with your boot drive):

SET SCFINDUTILITY=E:\OS2\APPS\PMSEEK.EXE

This makes PMSEEK the default finder.  It uses less CPU time and can 
double as a text seek - which my main use of it.  Nice and flexible.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                21-Nov-99 03:24:15
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: Re: USR modem [performance problem]

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:16:28, "Wayne Bickell" 
<wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp> wrote:

Been kinda skimming over this thread but something jogged my memory 
tonight.  This may sound off the wall, but the goal is to set the 
max/default port speed and it cured a similar speed problem I had a 
while back, so I can't give you ver/fp info.  Anyway, open your 
printer object - or create a new printer just for this.  Open the 
printer properties and assign it any old driver.  Select the port 
page.  In turn, select (double click) on each port on your system.  
Odds on, the page that pops up will show them set to 9600.  Change the
setting to 115400 or so and checke the rest of the parms - they wil 
probably be n,8,1, hdwr but check anyway.  Now assign the output port 
to where it should be and close the printer.  Delete it if it's a 
dummy.  Reboot and see what happens.  I had a port that even SIO 
couldn't force above 2400 come hell or high water until Denis Tonn of 
IBM Canada put me on to this.  Sounds really strange but it worked in 
my case and it only takes a few minutes to check out.

> On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:00:00 +0900, Wayne Bickell wrote:
> 
> :>I'm running it now with ATZ as the first string to reset the modem
> :>then AT&F1 as the second string. It makes no difference. I've
> :>used the strings that NT uses too, with no avail.
> :>
> :>Anyway, I'm convinced there's nothing wrong with the modem
> :>because both BeoS and NT rock with it and it can't be my ISP
> :>for the same reason. It can't be a problem with Injoy either as
> :>I get the same problems using DOIP or I-Link. 
> :>
> :>So, where does this leave us? The OS? A problem in TCP/IP?
> :>Probably, my TCP/IP stack is 4.02t and ppp.exe is 1.18b. I'll
> :>try and see if I've cocked up applying the TCP/IP upgrade or
> :>something.
> 
> To follow up on myself, I did a bit of checking around and I
> discovered to my surprise that my MPTS and TCP/IP were
> NOT up to the latest level as I had thought they were! Now
> my MPTS is up to the latest (UK) level of 4.21 and TCP/IP
> is up to 4.02w and things are a bit better over here.
> 
> Is it worth updating MPTS to the (US) level of 5.4? Is this
> reliant on having the TCP/IP 4.1 (or later) stack which we
> have to pay for?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> ******************************************************
> Wayne Bickell
> Tokyo, Japan
> wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
> ******************************************************
>            Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
>   Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
> ******************************************************
> 
> 
> 


Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: matt196@mindspring.com                            21-Nov-99 03:04:14
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: Nelson and Satasha Williams <matt196@mindspring.com>

Thanks for the quick response John.  I think I'll go with the HP 812C.
I saw no driver for the Lexmark 3200 except the Portuguese, Spanish, and
Italian drivers.  No English though.
As far as the Canon 5000, I saw one at a local store refurbished for $109.
The 10ppm kinda peeked my interest, but all I found were mostly negative
reviews on it.
The Stylus 660 looked to be slightly faster than the 440, and only $20 bucks
more, so it was a probable candidate as well.  But every place I've been
locally (Office Depot, Staples, and CompUSA), the test page I printed was
horrible.  I also read they only print decent on the high priced BubbleJet
paper.
Even though I'll mostly be doing text printing, your information was VERY
informative. It has helped me decide on the HP, which is where I was leaning
anyway.  I'm just trying to avoid spending too much.  I'm not exactly rich,
which is why I can't even consider the Z31 and Z51 from Lexmark.  Outta my
price range.  Thanks guy!!

Nelson
PS - I don't even have Win/OS2 installed.  I still have Virus95 installed on
another partition for games, so I use it from time to time.  I found
Wordperfect Office Suite 2000 (full version) a while back for $23, so I took
the deal.  I'll be using it until I find something for Warp.  Lotus is too
expensive.  The site I went to for the Device Drivers is below:
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm


John Hong wrote:

> Nelson and Satasha Williams (matt196@mindspring.com) wrote:
> : Can anyone recommend a good inkjet that they currently use with Warp 4?
> : I'm currently looking at the Canon BJC-5000, Epson Stylus-660, Lexmark
> : 3200, and the HP 812C.  Now, I haven't found any drivers for any of
> : these in the Device Driver pack, so does anyone have any other
> : suggestions for which printer to get if not one of these?
>
>         There is a Lexmark 3200 driver.  Dunno where you have been
> looking but it is listed on both Lexmark's website and IBM's Device
> Driver Pak Online website.
>         There was a Canon BJC-5000 driver, but it is no longer listed
> anymore.  I wouldn't recommend that one anyway for OS/2 use, it doesn't
> even have a Windows 3.1 driver meaning it can not be used under Win-OS/2
> at all.
>         HP 812C is basically the samething as the 880.  Only difference
> would be software bundle and (almost ridicously) it can not use the 42ml
> black inkjet cartridge, only the 21ml.  Why this is silly is because the
> two go at the same price.  HP really screwed some people with that one.
>         The Epson Stylus 660 shouldn't be that much different from the
> 600.  I do recall people posting here about successfully using the 640
> with the 600 driver.  I would guess one can do that with the 660, too.
>
>         This is all dependent on what you are looking to do with your
> printer.  Do you want super photo printing?  Do want just OS/2 native
> printing or would Win-OS/2 work for you as well?  If you want OS/2 native
> printing (as well as photos) than your choice is reduced to simply the
> Lexmark 3200 and the Epson Stylus 660.
>         The Canon BJC-5000 should be avoided at all costs (if you wanted
> a Canon printer, then the BJC-6000 would've been the one).  The HP 812C
> is fine for black text and basic color under native OS/2.  But one would
> not get the finer photo results until you began using it under Win-OS/2.
>
>         The Lexmark 3200 (along with the Canon BJC-5000, and even 6000)
> are WinPrinters.  They rely on your CPU in order to get the printer to
> function when it comes time to print.  Epson Stylus 660 I don't think is,
> neither is the HP 812C.  Only problem I have with the Epson is that it
> uses a fixed printhead system, not to mention IBM have not updated the
> EPOMNI driver since like 1998 (I wish they would).
>         If you have a good enough computer (eg. Pentium 166Mhz, 32+ RAM)
> than the Lexmark 3200 armed with the IEEE-1284 BIDI printer driver is
> tough to beat out of the ones you have listed, especially since Lexmark do
> their own driver work.  Epson is also tough to beat, but they do go
> through ink pretty fast.  They always do a cleaning cycle, literally,
> after each time you power the printer on which I find annoying.  Lexmark
> inkjet printers, BTW, are the only one's that I know of that do not go
> through any type of cleaning cycle during powerup, they left it strictly
> up to the user (which I think is a better method).  Some others like
> Canon (and I think HP) do have a timer in the printer, so after powering
> it up one day and printing something, the next day after powerup, no
> cleaning cycle is done since it is not necessary (but even that isn't
> perfect since a black out would reset the timer).
>
>         Another batch to look at for inkjet printers are some of the
> other Lexmark printers, the newer Z31 and Z51 look pretty good.  The Z11
> can not be used natively under OS/2, but I would imagine it can be used
> under Win-OS/2.  But again, they are host-based printers (WinPrinters) so
> they will tax your system unless you have a fairly powerful one.
>         Another one to look at for a pure economical value in the long
> run could be the Canon BJC-6000, their flagship printer.  It's OS/2 driver
> support sucks right now, IMO, I think the driver is only like 360x360dpi
> printing.  It is capable of 1440x720dpi.  You won't get the best results
> under OS/2, but you probably will under Win-OS/2.  It uses individual
> inkjet tanks for each color.  If refilling, this could be a real dandy to
> have.

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From: Mikedent@tesco.net                                21-Nov-99 11:25:21
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: server wont boot please help novice!!

From: "Mike Dent" <Mikedent@tesco.net>

Please help an o/s2 1.3 novice !!!

We have an old server running o/s 2 1.3 at work which has errored since a
power cut last weekend..

The server will not boot to the hard drive - it produces an error relating
to a memory address ?? It will boot to a emergency floppy and once the c:
drive has been ChkDsk'd it is accessible and all the files can be seen.

I have tried "remming" all commands in the config.sys and autoexec.bat
hoping  the server will boot to c: prompt like dos but it doesnt. So I
therefore presume it may be the system files or corrupt hpfs system - ??

I admit this is the first time I have come across O/S 2 and I really havent
a clue how it works compared to win95 and dos.

Is there any way to get this beast up and running again either by copying
system files from the boot disk or by reinstalling the operating system over
the top and retaining the data already present.


Please help a desperate man !!!!


Many thanks

Mike..


Please E-mail me with any suggestions on

mikedent30@hotmail.com
or
mikedent@apexmail.com



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From: mthiv@znetrover.com                               21-Nov-99 12:45:28
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: Re: Fast file searches?

From: mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.)

I use f.exe from Jim Lewis "http://chauvet.com/jim.lewis/ " and it 
works fast! 

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:40:43, grinnell@acunet.net wrote:

> I was wondering if there were faster means for doing file searches under
OS/2.
> 
> I'm currently running Warp 4 (FP10) and if I initiate a file search (ie. 
*.cmd) on
> a 1 GB HPFS partition it seams to take a VERY long time to return the
results.
> 
> I'm using the find tool that pops up when one right clicks on the desktop
and
> selects Find...
> 
> Aside from buying new hardware what are people doing to speed up simple
> file searches?
> 
> Jeff

No-spam delete the 'z'

Martin Thivierge
Quebec, Canada

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From: mthiv@znetrover.com                               21-Nov-99 12:57:14
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 10:40:10
Subj: Re: Fast file searches?

From: mthiv@znetrover.com (Martin T.)

You can also take a look at HappyBox 1.0 
"http://www.teleport.com/~donlim/computers/os2.html" a PM app

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:40:43, grinnell@acunet.net wrote:

> I was wondering if there were faster means for doing file searches under
OS/2.
> 
> I'm currently running Warp 4 (FP10) and if I initiate a file search (ie. 
*.cmd) on
> a 1 GB HPFS partition it seams to take a VERY long time to return the
results.
> 
> I'm using the find tool that pops up when one right clicks on the desktop
and
> selects Find...
> 
> Aside from buying new hardware what are people doing to speed up simple
> file searches?
> 
> Jeff

No-spam delete the 'z'

Martin Thivierge
Quebec, Canada

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    21-Nov-99 12:16:00
  To: All                                               21-Nov-99 14:27:08
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Nelson and Satasha Williams (matt196@mindspring.com) wrote:
: Just a quick note, I found a native OS/2 driver for the Lexmark 3200.
: Considering their the same price, I'll still probably get the HP though.

	One thing you may not like to hear...  HP 810/812C can not use 
the full sized black inkjet cartridge (42ml), they can only use the 
economy sized one's (21ml).  Problem is, is that they retail in most 
places at the exact same price!

	If possible I would wait anyways just to make sure someone here 
has a HP 810/812C that are being used under OS/2.  I've no way of 
actually knowing that it will work natively under OS/2.  I guess 
searching DejaNews in order to make sure that someone else has it working 
under OS/2.

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               21-Nov-99 17:45:08
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 03:20:20
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 07:11:07, Nelson and Satasha Williams 
<matt196@mindspring.com> wrote:

| Can anyone recommend a good inkjet that they currently use with Warp 4?
| I'm currently looking at the Canon BJC-5000, Epson Stylus-660, Lexmark
| 3200, and the HP 812C.  Now, I haven't found any drivers for any of
| these in the Device Driver pack, so does anyone have any other
| suggestions for which printer to get if not one of these?

We have a few printers here at the bitranch, but the inkjet is a 
Lexmark Z51 -- which came with OS/2 drivers, right in the box.

We're happy with it.

--Esther Schindler

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From: no.spam.james.gasson@clear.net.nz                 22-Nov-99 19:58:08
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 03:20:21
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: James Gasson <no.spam.james.gasson@clear.net.nz>

> >> <99078729@brookes.ac.uk> said:
> >> If you want to play games -- go windows.
> >> If you want to get work done -- go OS2.
> >> If you want to be first with a system that still takes work -- go Linux.

> In <F0bNi6i4K1KK-pn2-5lcOmdtxC1fe@md4690d4b.utfors.se>, nospam@nospam.com
writes:
> >Great summary. I'll just point out that if you want a decent looking,
> >object-based, consistent and extensible GUI there's only one option
> >out there, and that's of course OS/2's WPS.

hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
> magnus,
> 
> NeXTStep / Openstep is still available. It is at least or even more OO;
> handier/powerful/convenient as the WPS AND it does Chinese well !
> Unix kernel so it resembles OS/2's command line capabilities but with Unix
> rather than DOS as a CLI environment. One place it definitely outshines
> anything else is in the presentation : compared to the childish stick-
> figure ambiance of Windows/Mac/Warp4 NeXT is a refreshing look into
> the adult world. Display Postscript.  Pretty impressive.


In my humble opinion...

Yeah OS/2 is good (I use it), and I have heard great things about
NextStep/OpenStep. And yeah Linux still takes work (I believe).

However I think that neither OS/2 nor NextStep/OpenStep have much of a
future on the desktop, whereas Linux does. If Corel keeps to their word,
and release Perfect Office and Corel Draw, and if they are good ports,
and if there is some decent publicity, then the Linux scene will very
much change for the better. Given Corel's release of WordPerfect for
Linux, these events are not unlikely, and not far off.

And there is a big change due shortly for NT too (ie. Windows 2000).
Since Microsoft seems eager to capture the server market (with Active
Directory), it would have been my guess that they would go out of their
way to make it more difficult for Windows NT to co-exist in
heterogeneous environments (which would make for a thoroughly unpleasant
experience for anyone having to deal with NT). But then there's that
recent ruling, so they could well concentrate on the consumer's best
interests.

Not that I really know enough to talk authoritatively about any of this.
But I think it is reasonable to say that there could well be some big
changes in the coming year. Ask the same question in about 6 months.


-- 
James Gasson

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From: bbcat@netonecom.net                               21-Nov-99 18:58:00
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 05:13:04
Subj: Problem fixed (sort of ..) --> Thank you Corel for screwing up my 

From: Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net>

Thanks to all who helped despite the fact that none of the advices applied to
the problem
at hand. I had to recreate a new partition table and repartition the whole
hard disk.
Just think of where you would put close to 8G of data and realize the
headaches I went thru.
To say that I was pissed is putting this very mildly. It is lucky that I am a
very calm
person.

What exactly happened was that when I installed Corel Linux, the fdiks of
Corel Linux and/or
the install blew the partition table. Since all of the 14G hard disk was
dedicated to Linux
I didn't realize that there could be a problem of this magnitude. With
winblows I would have
expected just about anything.

Going back to when I bought the hard disk, it is an IBM hard disk of about
14.4G which I
got from a store in Cadillac MI. It came allready formatted and partitionned
with one
big 8.4G winblows partition with still Win 98 on it. They must have forgotten
it on it
or something I thought. I soon realized the reason of the good deal I had, the 
hard disk
was now an 8.4G hard disk. Neither the bios, dos, OS/2 or SuSE would recognize 
the real
size. The IBM software was telling me that the bios could not recognize the
hard disk
and that I should then install EZ software to recognize the actual sixe of the 
hard disk.
I knew that my bios could recognize big hard disk so I went to the IBM web
site to find
out the actual architecture of the hard disk. There is a web address on the
hard disk.
I then proceeded to create a new partition table with Linux's fdisk after I
forced the
data in the bios info. When I rebooted partition magic was all contented and I 
was able
to partition the hard disk the right way. I tested first with the IBM software 
which told
me that the bios could access the hard disk correctly.

I used to have Win 98 on a 1G primary partition, it crashed much too often so
I installed
the Second edition to replace it. Since I put it on the first drive instead
there was
room for Corel. I then proceeded to format said partition in ext2. When I went 
to the Corel
install it refused to install on that partition unless I would first remove
it. The buggy
Corel fdisk created another partition and then formatted, it installed without 
a hitch
and even recognized all my other partitions correctly. It was only after I
tried to put the
partition on OS/2 boot manager that I realized what happened. For curiosity I
ran the
IBM software which told me that the current drive size was set at 8.4G (the
bios said 14.4G)
Both partition magic and Linux fdisk were telling me that someone messed up
the partition
table and that there was conflicting information.

Thank you Corel for screwing up my weekend!

I backed up all my data and the Corel partition (tared every directories). I
then recreated
the partition table, partitionned, installed SuSE and untarred Corel Linux. I
can now run
both using first the boot manager and then using lilo to boot Corel or SuSE.
I'm not sure how I would get the correct boot info for that partition, I'm not 
about to reuse
that moronic Corel install program. It works ok but it'd be nice to use the
boot manager
to go directly to Corel Linux.

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From: goober@snit.com                                   22-Nov-99 07:38:16
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 10:32:07
Subj: Help me: EA DATA.SF.....245MEG

From: goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie)


My EA_DATA.SF file is killing my hard drive.  The damn thing is 245 meg.

How can I trim it down?


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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 22-Nov-99 11:26:05
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 10:32:08
Subj: Re: first look at BEOS

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>

> >Graphics is handled better than OS/2
> >by a bunch - at the same resolution any graphics look better in BeOS.
>
> Where the hardware is actually supported (even harder to find than for
> OS/2), ok it's better, but no more so than under other x86 OSs like NT
> and even Win 9x.

Yup ! I checked BE's website, and supprise !
The Matrox G400 is not supported <clunck> !!

I mean, who else supports the G400:
Windos 95
Windos 98
NT 4.0
Xfree86 3.3.4
and ... OS/2 !
I can't believe the G400 driver isn't there yet for BeOS !

And about their sound support: of course their sound system is much more
efficient,
they only support PCI sound cards (as opposed to OS/2: almost only ISA
support) !

I wonder why they support PCI video cards, surely they could outclass other
OS's by only supporting (and optimizing) for AGP !

I don't want to go back to the good old days of selecting hardware based on
the OS
(remember the good old OS/2 3.0 days !), so BeOS isn't ready for me yet.

So it looks like...
OS/2 forever !

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    22-Nov-99 11:55:21
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 10:32:08
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Nelson and Satasha Williams (matt196@mindspring.com) wrote:
: Thanks to all.  I've decided on the Lexmark 3200 since I downloaded the OS/2
: drivers last night.  All reviews say it kicks but in all areas, especially
: quality printing on plain paper.  Only down side..........high up-keep
: costs.  The cartridges are kinda high, but I won't printing THAT much!!
: Plus, I know it works in OS/2 and it costs the same as the HP 812C at $149
: local.  Thanks to all!

	Upkeep for all inkjet printers will in one way or another be 
high.  Keep in mind this is how they make the bulk of their profit, it 
doesn't come from the sale of printers but the sale of the accessaries 
(ie. inkjet cart's).
	Lexmark (along with Canon) you should know are the easiest 
printers to refill.

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From: radu_trm@yahoo.com                                22-Nov-99 13:26:14
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 12:11:10
Subj: Re: UMAX 1220S scanner and OS/2

From: radu <radu_trm@yahoo.com>

Hi!
You might try an adapter for SCSI devices to LPT port. More info on
http://www.shuttletech.com/products/parallea.htm
Drivers for OS/2 are also available at
http://www.shuttletech.com/download/english/ukinstal.htm.
It is slower than a SCSI card, but it might be useful for external portable
storage devices too (like Fujitsu DYNAMO 640SE ).

thethoms wrote:

> Greetings!
>         Recently, My wife and I purchased a UMAX 1220S scanner for our
system.
> Finding TWAIN drivers for Linux and OS/2 has not been difficult.
> However, finding drivers for the SCSI card that comes with it has not
> been successful.
>         The card is reported to be a UDS-IS11/ISA (also known as a
DTC-3181LE
> SCSI card).  Does anyone have any tips (other than getting a different
> card?)
>
> TIA.
>
> Travis Thoms

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From: radu_trm@yahoo.com                                22-Nov-99 13:34:18
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 12:11:10
Subj: Re: first look at BEOS

From: radu <radu_trm@yahoo.com>

BeOS supports SOME ISA soundcards.  I have an old Yamaha OPL3-SAx ISA card,
and it works with BeOS (4.0 and 4.5).
It also works with SOME PCI Videocards.
I have to agree, they are too few device supported, but many of them are very
popular (the G200, for example).
Regards,
Radu

Wim Wauters wrote:

> > >Graphics is handled better than OS/2
> > >by a bunch - at the same resolution any graphics look better in BeOS.
> >
> > Where the hardware is actually supported (even harder to find than for
> > OS/2), ok it's better, but no more so than under other x86 OSs like NT
> > and even Win 9x.
>
> Yup ! I checked BE's website, and supprise !
> The Matrox G400 is not supported <clunck> !!
>
> I mean, who else supports the G400:
> Windos 95
> Windos 98
> NT 4.0
> Xfree86 3.3.4
> and ... OS/2 !
> I can't believe the G400 driver isn't there yet for BeOS !
>
> And about their sound support: of course their sound system is much more
efficient,
> they only support PCI sound cards (as opposed to OS/2: almost only ISA
support) !
>
> I wonder why they support PCI video cards, surely they could outclass other
OS's by only supporting (and optimizing) for AGP !
>
> I don't want to go back to the good old days of selecting hardware based on
the OS
> (remember the good old OS/2 3.0 days !), so BeOS isn't ready for me yet.
>
> So it looks like...
> OS/2 forever !

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From: csaba_r@my-deja.com                               22-Nov-99 14:30:01
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: Re: Pmmerge variations

From: csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly)

arjen@removethis.hacom.nl (Arjen Meijer) wrote in
<newraerzbirguvfunpbzay.flizck0.pminews@news.hacom.nl>: 

>I have tree pmmerge.dll version on my machine:
>
>1. fixpack 12 version     1.254.673 bytes 1999-10-03  java speed 2001
>very buggy
>2.1st testcase  version 1.254.973 bytes 1999-10-22  java speed 2031 very
>stable
>3.2st testcase version  1.220.785 bytes 1999-11-20  java speed 2062 very
>stable
>
>javaspeed is thecaffeinemark 3.0 benchmark.
>The bug report is the size of my popuplog. Very stable is no entries in
>the popuplog.
>The testcase versions feel like a brand new os/2. Super. For the first
>time ever I enjoy running os/2.  It is stable and speedy.
>
>Arjen
>
>
>
Could you please run bldlevel on them and post the results ?
"2.1st testcase" 1254973 bytes, is revision 9.35

Csaba

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From: bv@opera.no                                       22-Nov-99 19:21:09
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: Re: server wont boot please help novice!!

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Mike Dent wrote:

> Please help an o/s2 1.3 novice !!!
>
> We have an old server running o/s 2 1.3 at work which has errored since a
> power cut last weekend..
>

If the server is as old as the system it is running, it is not unlikely that
you
have a hardware problem caused by the power cut. Is it booting off a SCSI
drive
or something else?

> I have tried "remming" all commands in the config.sys and autoexec.bat
> hoping  the server will boot to c: prompt like dos but it doesnt. So I
> therefore presume it may be the system files or corrupt hpfs system - ??
>

There are commands in config.sys which are necessary for the system to boot.
The
OS/2 boot is a two-stage process, and the second stage starts after certain
device drivers have been loaded.

>
> Is there any way to get this beast up and running again either by copying
> system files from the boot disk or by reinstalling the operating system over
> the top and retaining the data already present.
>

All the OS/2 system files are ordinary files, unlike DOS and Windows. I have
not
worked on 1.x-versions for a long time, they just keep running as long as the
hardware works...  You need the system files OS2BOOT, OS2KRNL and OS2LDR in
order to boot, as well as all files referred to as a BASEDEV or IFS. The 1.3
config.sys is rather untidy, but the order of most statements is not critical.

The autoexec.bat is not used by OS/2, it is there for the DOS compatibility
box.
The OS/2 startup file is startup.cmd, but it does not look like you get that
far
before you get your trap. If you can write down the exact trap information, it
is not impossible that some IBM veteran will be able to see what the actual
problem is.



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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                22-Nov-99 12:04:02
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: Re: Fixpack 42

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <3839532B.ADFE8050@us.ibm.com>,
Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>Tinkering with the method that the FixTool determines what level your
>machine is at, and therefore what gets laid down may cause problems in
>the future. If you understand what is in a FP, and look closely at it,
>you will see directories. Those directories contain files specific for
>versions of OS/2. The OS2.1 contains all the 'common' files, and then
>specific individial files are put into the other directories. Depending
>on what is contained, you might have an unbootable system.
>
>IBM will not support a 'transformed' system that doesn't have the
>correct SYSLEVEL file in it.
>

-- snip --

Irv,

Just a suggestion and a request...

I perfectly understand the need to NOT support an old OS like OS/2 3.0.
However,
why not at least publish a document that will give a working knowlege of HOW a
fixpak process actually works?

IBM wouldn't have to support those curious persons, just as they do now, and
those persons that desire to continue to operate Warp 3.0 can at least have a
decent chance at keeping their computers in some kind of consistant state.

TIA

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        22-Nov-99 19:00:00
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: Re: Fixpack 42

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:28:59 -0600, Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Tinkering with the method that the FixTool determines what level your
> machine is at, and therefore what gets laid down may cause problems in
> the future. If you understand what is in a FP, and look closely at it,
> you will see directories. Those directories contain files specific for
> versions of OS/2. The OS2.1 contains all the 'common' files, and then
> specific individial files are put into the other directories. Depending
> on what is contained, you might have an unbootable system.
> 
> IBM will not support a 'transformed' system that doesn't have the
> correct SYSLEVEL file in it. 
> 
> There is also no guarantee that what works today will work on the next
> FP. You are on your own, and you could experience problems that might
> require a re-install.

Well, I did say it wasn't supported.  :)

I should also have said (and will add to this now) that I have not 
tried this REXX script myself.

I _did_ try making the requisite change to my SYSLEVEL file, with the
idea that I might want to try installing "new" fixpaks later.  However,
once I did this, FixPak 40 wouldn't install, except the MMOS2 portion.
(It said, no products to service.)

So I backed out the SYSLEVEL change and am now relatively happy on FP 40.

Other people have reported that this works, though, so I thought I'd
mention it to the original poster...

(Incidentally, don't FP 41 and 42 introduce a couple of minor Y2K fixes?)

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             21-Nov-99 22:45:01
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: Re: Pls help with "os/2 cannot operate your hard drive"

From: bstephan@redshift.com

When that happened on my ThinkPad I found I had to turn off bus
mastering by adding /A:0 /!BM to the IBM1S506 statement in
CONFIG.SYS. There could be other reasons. I've seen it on another
machine trying to boot OS/2 from the second hard disk. Boot Manager
works fine, but when I tried a different boot utility I got that
error and it had nothing to do with bus mastering. So your mileage
may vary. Perhaps you should post some specs for your hard disk, and
other information about your system and the version of OS/2. With
this information perhaps someone else will recognize the problem and
can help you.

In <38387521.26DC@NOSPAM.flash.net>, on 11/21/99 
   at 10:46 PM, David Courtney <buster6@NOSPAM.flash.net> said:

>I'm hoping someone has a moment to help.  We got OS/2 installed &
>running fine and  then this (above) appeared.  It actually refered
>to the floppy as well and said  "correct this error and re-start". 
>What's happening here?  If I boot with a Dos  floppy and use fdisk,
>the non-dos partition is seen, using 100% of the disk, so the 
>controller (ide) and drive must be okay.  OS/2 won't start at all.
>Much TIA. David C.

-- 
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  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        22-Nov-99 18:42:26
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: Re: Warp4 fp => Warp3?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On 21 Nov 1999 17:00:14 GMT, John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote:
> : Out of curiosity, I recently copied a warp4 version pmmerge.dll onto a
warp3
> : installation and much to my surprise I picked up some warp4
functionality...
> 
> : That being said, has anyone done any detailed updating of warp3 with warp4
> : fixpaks or anything?
> 
> 	With that said, there are lots of things one can rip from Warp 4 
> onto Warp 3.  RTMIDI is one, another is the WarpCentre (if you have 
> Lotus SmartCentre from the Smartsuite 96 or WordPro/Freelance 96 installed).

I've wondered about the WarpCentre.  Why do you need Smartsuite stuff
to do this, though?

> 	To get Warp 4 look into Warp 3, copy the PMMERGE.DLL and 
> PMDDEML.DLL file.  Warp 3 will need to be at a decent FP level such as 35 
> or later with the recent Warp 4 fixpaks.

I generally copy PMCTLS.DLL, which gets the 3d buttons in Tree view,
as well as the horizontal tabs in notebooks.  I've never tried PMDDEML,
though - what does that do?

They do require a recent fixpak, though.  Also, you can copy PMMERGE
without the others, but the others require you to copy PMMERGE first,
if you want them as well.

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From: bv@opera.no                                       22-Nov-99 20:54:27
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:28
Subj: Re: ATX motherboards

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Edmond Dantes wrote:

>
> I'm refering to the power off when the OS shuts down.
>

OS/2 does not shut down, so there does not seem to be any use for this
function.



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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    22-Nov-99 22:41:03
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:29
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.61 dies

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Lorne Sunley <lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca> writes:
> 
> The "Feature Installer" will not work when the NPFI.DLL is missing.
> 
> You would have to run FISETUP from where you have
> the "Feature Installer" software installed. If you don;t
> have the latest version (version 1.2.5) you might as
> well download that from the Software Choice web site.

I did have the latest version... Strange.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers  www.mp3.com/pawnshop
                               | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             22-Nov-99 15:56:18
  To: All                                               22-Nov-99 21:38:29
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Ted Miller wrote:
> 
> In message <38386A21.94DD1924@mindspring.com> - Nelson and Satasha Williams
> <matt196@mindspring.com>Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:54:42 -0500 writes:
> :>
> :>Thanks to all.  I've decided on the Lexmark 3200 since I downloaded the
OS/2
> :>drivers last night.  All reviews say it kicks but in all areas, especially
> :>quality printing on plain paper.  Only down side..........high up-keep
> :>costs.  The cartridges are kinda high, but I won't printing THAT much!!
> :>Plus, I know it works in OS/2 and it costs the same as the HP 812C at $149
> :>local.  Thanks to all!
> :>
> :>Nelson
> :>
> :>
> :>Nelson and Satasha Williams wrote:
> :>
> :>> Can anyone recommend a good inkjet that they currently use with Warp 4?
> :>> I'm currently looking at the Canon BJC-5000, Epson Stylus-660, Lexmark
> :>> 3200, and the HP 812C.  Now, I haven't found any drivers for any of
> :>> these in the Device Driver pack, so does anyone have any other
> :>> suggestions for which printer to get if not one of these?
> :>>
> :>> Nelson
> :>> matt196@mindspring.com
> :>>
> :>> PS - I think anything would be an improvement from the Canon BJC-210 I
> :>> currently have.
> :>>
> :>> --
> :>> Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation or distribution of
> :>> this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message,
> :>> be forewarned that I am not responsible for any harm you may encounter
> :>> as a result.
> :>
> :>--
> :>Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation or distribution of
> :>this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message,
be
> :>forewarned that I am not responsible for any harm you may encounter as a
> :>result.
> :>
> :>
> 
> Hello Nelson
> 
> I hate to rain on your parade but I would not recommend the Lexmark 3200. I
> had one and was never happy with it and finally replaced it with a Lexmark
> Optra 40. While the output on the 3200 is great it sucks system resources
> bigtime. When the printer is working you will notice an evident slowdown in
> everything else thats running. Furthermore I could never get an accepatable
> level of printing with Netscape other than black and white quick print mode,
> Lotus Wordpro, and Adobe Acrobat Reader.

I've got a Lexmark 3200 and I would give it a good rating.  The OS/2
drivers are pretty good (they even support ink level monitoring) and the
OS/2 print quality is outstanding.  I use  it for printing photos from
completed projects and it does a very nice job.  When it starts a print
job, the system slows down for maybe 3 seconds until it spools.  Then it
prints in the background and I don't notice it any more.  I have a
pretty powerful system so your mileage may vary on this.  Typically
takes about 3 minutes to print one photo in 1200 dpi mode which may be
slow compared with a more expensive printer, I suppose, but it has been
more than fast enough for my purposes.  The color reproduction is very
good...differing shades of brown are impressively rendered.  Picture
quality appears equal to or better than the HP Resolution Eenhancement
Technology (RET) 2 systems and much better than RET 1 systems.  There's
a special photo ink cartridge you can get but I don't use it.  The basic
cartridges are good enough for me.  I print on plain white paper.  I got
the printer at Office Max for $149.95 with a $50 rebate so net was
$99.95 USD.  

> 
> Is the $149 US or CDN dollars? If US$ then for $50 more you could get the
> Lexmark Optra 40 which is much more of a printer than the 3200. If CDN$ then
> its a pretty good price ( I paid $300 CDN 10 months ago). Right now I'm
> looking for a windows user to sell the 3200 to.
> 
> Ted Miller
> ecmille@ibm.net

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From: bbcat@netonecom.net                               22-Nov-99 19:15:08
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net>

Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> > > It looks to me that Corel screws up big by not allowing to install on an 
allready formated
> > > partition. It messed up when It formatted the partition that I allocated 
to it.
> 
> This is the major problem.  Allowing Linux to create the partition is
> basically Russian roulette when it comes to persuading Boot Manager to
> accept the drive afterwards.
> 
> > > I went to partition magic and it doesn't recognize the drive at all.
SuSE is the only one
> > > that sees it.
> 
> Maybe because Partition Magic uses the OS/2 tools (Boot Manager, FDISK
etc.)?
> Whereas SuSE uses the same ones as Corel, probably.
> 

Not so, fdisk under SuSE flagged an error in the partition table but was able
to read data
from both areas meaning the one using the screwed up info and the original
one. Only the partition
used by Corel was damaged. fdisk did accept to recreate partition at the place 
where Corel messed
up but even though it seems to look ok on the SuSE side it wasn't recognized
by partition magic
which gave an error #114 if I remember correctly. OS/2 only flagged an error
for the partition
created by Corel. I didn't try to remove the bad partition under OS/2 worrying 
that it may
damage my SuSE partitions which were next in line. I guessed I should have
tried after I backed
up the stuff, perhaps OS/2 could have restored the sanity of the hard disk.

> > fdisk /newmbr /disk:2 doesn't work, MBR and partition tables messed up and 
OS/2 isn't
> > able to repair it.
> 
> You don't want to rebuilt the MBR on disk two, just on disk one to remove
> LILO.  /NEWMBR doesn't fix the partition table, AFAIK.
> 

If you ever want to switch to be the first drive you'd need a good MBR.

> This is a problem with all Linux versions.  Linux fdisk does something
> screwy to the partition table.  Once it's modified a drive, OS/2 FDISK
> wants nothing to do with it anymore (at least, 70-80% of the time).
> Sometimes it will actually say the partition table is corrupt - in which
> case I've never found a solution - or it will simply refuse to do anything
> to existing partitions except delete them.
>

Actually, after I recreated a partition table under SuSE I was able to see it
with Partition
magic as well as with OS/2 with no error.
 
> In the latter case - and, according to some, in the former as well (though
> that hasn't been my experience) - the version of FDISK that came with
> OS/2 version 2.11 will sometimes work.
> 
> Others have said that the newer, alternative Linux fdisk program, called
> 'cfdisk', writes the partition table properly and does not cause this
> problem.  If this is true, then perhaps using cfdisk to re-write the
> partition table (from Linux) might fix the problem.
> 
> I don't know if Corel or SuSE include cfdisk, I know Debian does.
> For that matter, I don't know what fdisk program Corel uses to write
> the partitions during install...
> 
> Unfortunately, judging by your follow-up message, these recommendations
> come too late to save you major inconvenience.
> 
> > There was also another extremmely annoying bug involving the keyboard. I
> > found out that with the graphic boot my override of the keyboard with
> > .Xmodmap seems to be largely ignored. With a console boot it seems to
> > work ok.
> 
> I think I've noticed this one, too.  I can't use my keypad arrow-keys,
> which annoys me no end.
> 

It will work once you disable automatic graphic login. I got it to work but it
only does if the kdm script is removed. Corel, for some moronic reason
override
the runlevel by running a kdm script after the boot. Smells like microsoft ...

> > An advice to all who are thinking of Corel : Unless Corel is the only
> > thing that you will install on your PC, wait for a fix to the install
> > bug, assuming that it is likely to come. If the fix doesn't come, you
> > better ignore Corel unless you are willing to practice your swearing
> > vocabulary.  And just in case your temper could go, hide the shutgun.
> > You must always remember that that poor PC isn't the culprit but Corel
> > is. Take the winblows proctecting mode shield --> be prepared for any
> > fuck up  la winblows. This is pushing the winblows ways way to much!
> > Bad move Corel ...
> 
> For a very first release, I still think this is a reasonable effort.
> Pity about the non-overridable boot setup.
> 

just delete or move the script kdm on /etc/rcS.d
if you don't have a laptop you can get rid of the pcmcia script as well

> I'm still playing with my Corel partition, and compiling a list of bugs
> that I'll try and send Corel's way.

I found out some old bug on kde, the windows that only shows part of the text. 
I don't
have that problem with SuSE. As for the messages most of them are in English
even though
I set it up to French. For the keyboard the support from KDE sucks, my
.Xmodmap works
better. I added an update for the French Canadian keyboards to xkeycaps which
turned out to be
burned on the latest SuSE distribution CDs of version 6.2 which I bought 5 of
for family and me.

As I see right now Corel has a long way to catch up with SuSE. I like some of
the improvement
they made which I intend to port to my SuSE install. I am now using their
version of plugger
which works better than the one that comes with SuSE.

I did manage to get Corel to boot from the SuSE lilo. I'd like to find a way
to restore
the boot so I can use the OS/2 boot manager and not risk a crash. I'm not sure 
how to do that.
OS/2 has no problem seeing the whole hard disk since SuSE fixed the partition
table.

-- 
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C'est l'temps d'essayer Linux
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From: mwalsh1@elp.rr.com                                22-Nov-99 18:40:21
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Re: Software support for the Epson Stylus-recommendation request

From: "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com>

I switched to the Omni drivers and they are better. I don't use an IRQ and it
does fine.  IRQ's are too short for my computer's to waste one.

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:49:15 -0700, John Bilbro wrote:

>I have decided to get an Epson Stylus 740. A while back the German Epson
>driver was the best when print results counted, since then the OMNI driver
>has been updated and improved. SO, is the German one still the best? OR
should
>I install just the OMNI one?
>Those of you who have an Epson Stylus - are you using IRQ or not? Any other
>suggestions, rules, tips?
>--
>John Bilbro                           Team OS2, NMRA, NRA, AARP
>Sheridan, Wyoming                     Lake Havasu City, Arizona
>jbilbro@wavecom.net  (May-Oct)        jbilbro@redrivernet.com (Nov-Apr)


Matt Walsh  	OS/2 Outpost
El Paso, TX	Computin' & Shootin' in the dust.


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From: matt196@mindspring.com                            22-Nov-99 19:59:17
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: "Nelson Williams" <matt196@mindspring.com>

Thanks David.
I will be doing absolutely NO photo printing, so the 3200 should work just
fine for me.  Speed is not much of an issue.
Thanks for the reminder of the $50 rebate, I forgot.

Thanks to all for your replies.

Nelson
Warp 4, FP12
Netscape 4.61 in OS/2

NOTE:  This message was created using Outlook 2000 because my boss makes me
use it here at work.



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From: jthorpe@island.net                                22-Nov-99 16:39:16
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: "Jim Thorpe" <jthorpe@island.net>

I am using PMINews and PMMail written by the same two guys and I am offline
while I compose this deathless prose.

Both work fine.

Jim T.



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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         23-Nov-99 02:51:04
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,

I have a weird problem, 1-2-3, Approach,
and Freelance, all sotp working together
(I mean at about the same time), and all
have a different symptom:

1-2-3 can't find a DLL, that is there 
(as is always was)

Approach can't go any further than 
trying to load the startup  window (the 
one with the most recently opened files)

Freelance is saying that I'm out of 
memory (128Mb RAM)

I tried to re-install to whole suite, 
after the re-installation everything was
working fine, I had to re-boot, so I did
a normal shutdown and all three program 
began to behave as before I re-installed

BTW. Approach is complaning about 
PMMERGE.DLL, which is the that ship with
FP12, and was working before last week

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

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From: sctvguy@netcenter.net                             22-Nov-99 21:55:23
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Re: Fixpack 42

From: Bob Grimes <sctvguy@netcenter.net>


Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:28:59 -0600, Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > Tinkering with the method that the FixTool determines what level your
> > machine is at, and therefore what gets laid down may cause problems in
> > the future. If you understand what is in a FP, and look closely at it,
> > you will see directories. Those directories contain files specific for
> > versions of OS/2. The OS2.1 contains all the 'common' files, and then
> > specific individial files are put into the other directories. Depending
> > on what is contained, you might have an unbootable system.
> >
> > IBM will not support a 'transformed' system that doesn't have the
> > correct SYSLEVEL file in it.
> >
> > There is also no guarantee that what works today will work on the next
> > FP. You are on your own, and you could experience problems that might
> > require a re-install.
> 
> Well, I did say it wasn't supported.  :)
> 
> I should also have said (and will add to this now) that I have not
> tried this REXX script myself.
> 
> I _did_ try making the requisite change to my SYSLEVEL file, with the
> idea that I might want to try installing "new" fixpaks later.  However,
> once I did this, FixPak 40 wouldn't install, except the MMOS2 portion.
> (It said, no products to service.)
> 
> So I backed out the SYSLEVEL change and am now relatively happy on FP 40.
> 
> Other people have reported that this works, though, so I thought I'd
> mention it to the original poster...
> 
> (Incidentally, don't FP 41 and 42 introduce a couple of minor Y2K fixes?)
> 
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
>  alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
I have installed the b.cmd on three machines, and old PS/ValuePoint, no
problem, an AMD K2/333, no problem, and an old notebook, no problem.  
Mr. Spalten's comments sound like sour grapes that someone has thwarted
IBM in their desire to abandon all the users of Warp 3, unless we want
to pay for the support.  I, for one, am glad that there are individuals
who continue to support Warp 3 and can code the updates for it.

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From: ecmille@ibm.net                                   23-Nov-99 03:08:27
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: ecmille@ibm.net (Ted Miller)

In message <3839AE05.2D962148@isomedia.com> - "David T. Johnson"
<djohnson@isomedia.com>Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:56:37 -0500 writes:
:>
:>
:>
:>Ted Miller wrote:
:>> Hello Nelson
:>> 
:>> I hate to rain on your parade but I would not recommend the Lexmark 3200.
I
:>> had one and was never happy with it and finally replaced it with a Lexmark
:>> Optra 40. While the output on the 3200 is great it sucks system resources
:>> bigtime. When the printer is working you will notice an evident slowdown
in
:>> everything else thats running. Furthermore I could never get an
accepatable
:>> level of printing with Netscape other than black and white quick print
mode,
:>> Lotus Wordpro, and Adobe Acrobat Reader.
:>
:>I've got a Lexmark 3200 and I would give it a good rating.  The OS/2
:>drivers are pretty good (they even support ink level monitoring) and the
:>OS/2 print quality is outstanding.  I use  it for printing photos from
:>completed projects and it does a very nice job.  When it starts a print
:>job, the system slows down for maybe 3 seconds until it spools.  Then it
:>prints in the background and I don't notice it any more.  I have a
:>pretty powerful system so your mileage may vary on this.  Typically
:>takes about 3 minutes to print one photo in 1200 dpi mode which may be
:>slow compared with a more expensive printer, I suppose, but it has been
:>more than fast enough for my purposes.  The color reproduction is very
:>good...differing shades of brown are impressively rendered.  Picture
:>quality appears equal to or better than the HP Resolution Eenhancement
:>Technology (RET) 2 systems and much better than RET 1 systems.  There's

Hello David

My beef with the Lexmark 3200 has never been the quality of the output which I
have l aways considered to be nothing less than excellent. I don't know what
kind of system you have but there is certainly a big performance hit on mine
when the printer is printing ( AMD K6 233 with 80 megs of ram) and with the
problem apps I mentioned the system comes to a complete halt for long periods
of time while a file is spooling - so much so that I considered the printer
useless for these apps. Perhaps it was my setup but I did try everything
possiible and asked for and got numerous tips for setting up but nothing
seemed to get it working to my satisfaction. Perhaps if  I had a more powerful
CPU I wouldn't notice the slowdown so much but I don't see why I should have
to upgrade my system for the sake of a printer. With the Optra 40  I have the
best of both worlds - completely transparent printing with output at least the
equal of the 3200, (text quality I believe is superior)

:>a special photo ink cartridge you can get but I don't use it.  The basic
:>cartridges are good enough for me.  I print on plain white paper.  I got
:>the printer at Office Max for $149.95 with a $50 rebate so net was
:>$99.95 USD.  
:>
:>> 
I will admit that that is a very good price but if I have to go out and spend
a couple of hundred dollars to upgrade to a more powerful CPU the price looks
a little less inviting.

I will change my opinion a bit. If one has a suffiently powerful system and
doesn't mind the performance hit on the CPU then the 3200 is a fine printer.
For my system it stunk and I was sorry very quickly that I bought it. I'm
happy that it works well for you.

Nice to compare note with you.

Ted Miller
ecmille@ibm.net

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              23-Nov-99 00:37:09
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:17
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-c2y3dyPtmQFQ@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>, on 11/23/99

   at 02:51 AM, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) said:

Did this all break AFTER FP12 was installed?

If so, you were one of the many bitten by FP12...IBM's last great attempt
to kill off OS/2.

I think I know what happened to you though.  You have multiple problems. 
The first is FP12.  The second is that, one way or another, you had to
hard kill your box.  In doing such, one of the DLL's Lotus uses got
corrupted.  (Approach on my notebook has that problem eventhough I have
NEVER loaded it to do anything, yet WordPro runs perfectly eventhough it
has been open many many many times when FP12's wonderfull printer driver
caused me to have to hard boot.)

Boot from utility floppies created PRE FP12.  Run CHKDSK C: /F:2    Do
this twice.  Watch your error messages.  You should see one or more DLL
files in the Lotus directory tree get set to zero block size.  Corrupted
allocation entries in HPFS have a weird way of surfacing.  DLL's appear to
be fine when doing a directory, but internally they are zero blocks in
size after corruption.

Roland

>Hi guys,

>I have a weird problem, 1-2-3, Approach,
>and Freelance, all sotp working together
>(I mean at about the same time), and all
>have a different symptom:

>1-2-3 can't find a DLL, that is there 
>(as is always was)

>Approach can't go any further than 
>trying to load the startup  window (the 
>one with the most recently opened files)

>Freelance is saying that I'm out of 
>memory (128Mb RAM)

>I tried to re-install to whole suite, 
>after the re-installation everything was
>working fine, I had to re-boot, so I did
>a normal shutdown and all three program 
>began to behave as before I re-installed

>BTW. Approach is complaning about 
>PMMERGE.DLL, which is the that ship with
>FP12, and was working before last week

>//-------------------------
>Thank you in advance

>Merci a l'avance

>Martin

>http://205.237.57.73/

>ICQ #48552954
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From: dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org                     23-Nov-99 04:20:10
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:17
Subj: Re: Software support for the Epson Stylus-recommendation request

From: "Darin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org>

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:49:15 -0700, John Bilbro wrote:

>Those of you who have an Epson Stylus - are you using IRQ or not? Any other
>suggestions, rules, tips?

If you have IRQ7 available, and it works, USE IT.  You will get MUCH better
multitasking if you do.  Besides, OS/2 is kinda braindead with IRQ7 - it
expects IRQ7 to be the printer, and pretty much anything else that wants to
use IRQ7 will have problems, IME.

I bought that German Epson Driver CD... works fine here.  I don't care about
quality *that* much to bother trying the OMNI driver again - this works for
me...

(I think I tried going back to OMNI, but screwed it up somehow ... going back
to the CD worked, so I'm not going to play with it unless I *need* better
color.  Mind you, I have the original Epson Stylus Color - not even a number
on this sucker, it's so old... :->)

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              23-Nov-99 00:44:29
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:17
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <F5n_3.20427$435.91771@typhoon2.tampabay.rr.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 02:37 AM, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> said:

>I'm working on putting together an AMD Athalon based system using the
>following components and wondered if any of you can verify these
>components are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device
>Driver Site, and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).

>Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

>Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
>AMD 550 Athalon CPU
>Enlight EN7237 Case with 300 Watt power supply
>Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
>Diamond Monster Sound MX300
>IBM Deskstar 22GXP (22GB Ultra 66)
>3Com Fast Etherlink XL
>Creative 48X ATAPI EIDE CD-Rom Drive


Personally I would ditch the IDE products and go full SCSI.  My
workstation at home runs a SIIG SCSI adapter which supports SCSI-1 through
Wide Scsi.  I put a pair of Wide SCSI drives (IBM and Quantum with mated
RPM's  This is important!  Make certain all your drives spin the same
speed.)  My tape drive, Syjet, and some older drives went into an external
case on the SCSI-2 chain.

After I restored my partitions from backup onto the new drive, and
installed System Commander...I was almost compelled to report a video
driver bug...until I realized the flicker was caused by an applications
attempt to toss up the "busy clock" only to complete loading before it
finished drawing.

Contrast that with my notebook.  Yes, the same one IBM can't get to boot
from an LS-120 in (except in their PC-DOS product).  It's clock is 100mhz
faster than my workstation at home.  Got the biggest, baddest 6GIG drive
available from Prostar at time of purchase.  The notebook has 128MEG of
RAM, the workstation only 64.  When applications load I get a good look at
the "busy clock".  When Netscape goes to empty its disk cache I see the
drive light run for about 5 minutes before I can do anything on the
system.

What I wouldn't give for Prostar to make one of these really wide screen
wide keyboard notebooks with SCSI components.  Instead of a "docking bay"
port in the back give me a SCSI-2 or 3 port.  Life would be good!

The new IDE stuff has a lot of PITA quirks.  If you are planning on
running System Commander and multiple OS's on your new screamer, or want
to run multiple OS's without a boot type commander, then SCSI is the real
way to do it.  You don't have to dork with Master/Slave settings.  A great
SCSI card like the SIIG will let you boot from ANY disk ID and you can
have up to 15 ID's when using the Wide SCSI chain.

Don't mix SCSI with IDE.  While Warp doesn't have a problem with this
LOOSE95 will force all devices to use their IDE drivers.  I found this out
when my Syjet drive couldn't be accessed under Loose95.  Took out the 40x
IDE CD-ROM, put back in the 8 speed SCSI CD-ROM, and presto, the SCSI
driver loaded, finding everything including my tape drive.  I don't have a
Loose98 partition on that machine so can't testify one way or the other,
but woudn't be surprised to find the same problem.

While their prices aren't always the best, I have been happy with drives
bought from scsistuff.com.  They actually know enough when you are buying
multiple drives to point out the little tweak of getting them all the same
RPM rating.

Roland



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From: nospamless@home.com                               23-Nov-99 06:04:18
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:17
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: "gH" <nospamless@home.com>

In <F5n_3.20427$435.91771@typhoon2.tampabay.rr.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 02:37 AM, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> said:

>I'm working on putting together an AMD Athalon based system using the
>following components and wondered if any of you can verify these components
>are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device Driver Site,
>and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).

>Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

>Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
>AMD 550 Athalon CPU

we currently have a special on K7M + Athlon bundle... :)
check it out at:

http://www.innovalue.com/Athlon

We will be testing the board to see if its AC97 sound system can be used
under OS/2...

>Enlight EN7237 Case with 300 Watt power supply

Seems to be a nice choice.

>Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
>Diamond Monster Sound MX300

*NEVER* buy anything from Diamond if you intend to use it under OS/2. And no
driver are available for MX300, which uses Vortex 2 chip, instead of the
Vortex 1 that have the OS/2 driver.

>IBM Deskstar 22GXP (22GB Ultra 66)
>3Com Fast Etherlink XL

Get something made with DEC/Intel's 21140 or 21143 chipset, better
performance for about 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

>Creative 48X ATAPI EIDE CD-Rom Drive

I'd recommend Lite-ON CD-ROM, they are ABSOLUTELY silent compared to most
drives... They only run at 40x, but the additional 8x is hardly noticable.

(I use a Teac 532S SCSI CD-ROM, only 32x, but it doesn't felt much different
than those 50X CD-ROMs, and more than make up for it in stability and
quietness).

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  23-Nov-99 08:01:14
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 05:47:06
Subj: Re: Software support for the Epson Stylus-recommendation request

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article
<qzpoevqrgbjregbbet.flmupx1.pminews@news.mtag1.on.wave.home.com>,
  "Darin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:49:15 -0700, John Bilbro wrote:
>
> >Those of you who have an Epson Stylus - are you using IRQ or not? Any
other
> >suggestions, rules, tips?
>
> If you have IRQ7 available, and it works, USE IT.  You will get MUCH
better
> multitasking if you do.  Besides, OS/2 is kinda braindead with IRQ7 -
it
> expects IRQ7 to be the printer, and pretty much anything else that
wants to
> use IRQ7 will have problems, IME.
>
> I bought that German Epson Driver CD... works fine here.  I don't care
about
> quality *that* much to bother trying the OMNI driver again - this
works for
> me...
>
> (I think I tried going back to OMNI, but screwed it up somehow ...
going back
> to the CD worked, so I'm not going to play with it unless I *need*
better
> color.  Mind you, I have the original Epson Stylus Color - not even a
number
> on this sucker, it's so old... :->)
>

Just as a remark: You do not have to decide which driver you want to
use: You can as well install all of them, i.e. OMNI, EPOMNI and the "old
german Epson driver"! They may all print to the same printer connected
to the same port without any trouble.

However, you will probably find out that you are mostly using just one
of the drivers most of the time - which is EPOMNI in my case: Way faster
than the "old german" driver and good enough for my quality needs!

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemhl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>
Author of "PmAs - Astronomy for the Presentation Manager"
http://www.datacomm.ch/cobo


> ---
> Disclaimer: unless explicitly mentioned otherwise, I do not speak
> for the company I work for.
>
>


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From: nemo@union.edu                                    23-Nov-99 02:48:20
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 05:47:06
Subj: Re: Pmmerge variations

From: nemo@union.edu

In <AOl_3.14317$ss3.535330@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 01:08 AM, cotroneo@stny.rr.com said:

>>
>>A very good pmmerge.dll version can be downloaded from:
>>ftp://protein.bio.msu.su/pub/os2/fixes/pmr00052.zip
>>
>>Arjen
>>
>>
>>

>The zip file on that site is corrupt.


Are you sure? I downloaded and unzipped it without apparent problem. I
haven't tried the dll yet.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           23-Nov-99 09:49:05
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: OS2 FixPak's Install all or just latest?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:14:49, Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>
wrote:

> 
> My SERVICE.LOG indicates the attempt to archive fails. I
> tried several times. Since the installer apparently provides no option
> to not archive, I can get nowhere. There is about 170 Mb free on the F:\
> boot drive where archives existed before I deleted them. The installer
> failed to indicate inadequate free space. CHKDSK reports no errors. I
> found no help on the CD. What do I do next?

First clue, you deleted the archives....

The error is occuring because some other files
established by the fixpack say that there ARE archives.

The readme file tells you what files to delete to get around
this problem.


--

Lorne Sunley

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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        22-Nov-99 23:13:15
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

Bruce LaZerte wrote:
 
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:06:21, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
 
> >  For Socket 7
> > (Pentium, AMD K6, K6-2, and Cyrix), the only Intel chipset that would
> > cache more than 64 Mb of RAM was the old HX, which is no longer
> > produced, and only available on very outdated mainboards.
 
> Hmmm. Not the Intel VX? (82430VX)? It came after the HX ...

Correct. TX also came after and doesn't.

Using Tyan Trinity S1590S with K6/2-450 and 128 Mb here.
-- 
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From: admin@hotmail.com                                 23-Nov-99 09:41:04
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: call me a dope

From: admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

I know you can do it but I can't find it in the online docs.  I can't 
find
anything there anyway.

How do I toggle between a full screen and windowed dos session?

Edmond Dantes
phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

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From: jhong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca                           23-Nov-99 10:40:06
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: Warp4 fp => Warp3?

From: jhong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (John Hong)

alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) writes:

>> 	With that said, there are lots of things one can rip from Warp 4 
>> onto Warp 3.  RTMIDI is one, another is the WarpCentre (if you have 
>> Lotus SmartCentre from the Smartsuite 96 or WordPro/Freelance 96
installed).

>I've wondered about the WarpCentre.  Why do you need Smartsuite stuff
>to do this, though?

	How else can you install it?  SmartCentre is installed by Lotus
WordPro 96 or SmartSuite 96 as an option and works in much the same way as
WarpCentre.  Unlike the older Smartsuite (AmiPro 3.0b), the SS96 version
is a .DLL file, not a .EXE file like before.  All one has to do is nab the
latest SCENTER.DLL and stick it in there, you will need the PMMERGE.DLL
with it, though.  Voila, WarpCentre.

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From: martin.brown@pandora.be                           23-Nov-99 12:01:17
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: OS2 FixPak's Install all or just latest?

From: Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be>

Lorne Sunley wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:14:49, Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>
> wrote:
>
> > My SERVICE.LOG indicates the attempt to archive fails. I
> > tried several times. Since the installer apparently provides no option
> > to not archive, I can get nowhere. There is about 170 Mb free on the F:\
> > boot drive where archives existed before I deleted them. The installer
> > failed to indicate inadequate free space. CHKDSK reports no errors. I
> > found no help on the CD. What do I do next?
>
> First clue, you deleted the archives....
>
> The error is occuring because some other files
> established by the fixpack say that there ARE archives.
>
> The readme file tells you what files to delete to get around
> this problem.

I recently had a problem with resume/backout after a very rare uncorrected
read error which occurred in CSF 1.41 FSERVICE copying the crucial file
"PRINT01.SY_"  ;-)
It panicked with  CSF-0239 CSF Fatal error .. unable to copy
OS2.2\PRINT01.SY_ :(

Subsequent attempts to go forward and resume were frustrated by an hour long
delay "preparing" the system for update followed by a SYS-3175. Attempts to
backout failed similarly.
What does it do during "preparing" the system - go off and meditate ?

The only way I was able to recover was to delete the archive files and all
evidence that CSF had ever been run. Then rerunning the fixpack worked fine.

I can't help feeling that being unable to copy a measly printer driver should
not be an immediate fatal error. I guess it retried the read before giving up
the ghost. But it was particularly irritating that CSF was unable to pick up
the thread afterwards. Has anyone else seen this problem ?

Regards,
Martin Brown

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From: jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Nov-99 02:37:12
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com>

I'm working on putting together an AMD Athalon based system using the
following components and wondered if any of you can verify these components
are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device Driver Site,
and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).

Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
AMD 550 Athalon CPU
Enlight EN7237 Case with 300 Watt power supply
Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
Diamond Monster Sound MX300
IBM Deskstar 22GXP (22GB Ultra 66)
3Com Fast Etherlink XL
Creative 48X ATAPI EIDE CD-Rom Drive

TIA!
Jim Davie
jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com




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From: Brian@webone.com.au                               23-Nov-99 19:45:18
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: Pmmerge variations

From: Brian@webone.com.au

In <383a46f9$1$qnivfs$mr2ice@news.logical.net>, nemo@union.edu writes:
>In <AOl_3.14317$ss3.535330@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, on 11/23/99 
>   at 01:08 AM, cotroneo@stny.rr.com said:
>
>>>
>>>A very good pmmerge.dll version can be downloaded from:
>>>ftp://protein.bio.msu.su/pub/os2/fixes/pmr00052.zip
>>>
>>>Arjen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>>The zip file on that site is corrupt.
>
>
>Are you sure? I downloaded and unzipped it without apparent problem. I
>haven't tried the dll yet.
>
Downloaded and installed ok.
It is not the fastest one mentioned previously but appears to work ok.
Brian

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From: bv@opera.no                                       23-Nov-99 12:51:06
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Wim Wauters wrote:

>
> Yeah ! I am SCSI lover too. Unfortunatedly the SCSI harddisks are still
2.5times more
> expensive than their IDE counterparts (same RPM, cache, access time might be 
0.5ms
> lower), so I stick with IDe harddisks (only one per IDE channel).

You do not compare real counterparts here, the difference between drives of
similiar
quality is nothing near 2.5 times. A SCSI drive is usually some 50% more
expensive than
an ATA-3 drive of reasonably comparable quality. Nobody makes low-reliability
SCSI
drives, and high-reliability ATA-drives are uncommon and sell at a premium.

There may be some vendors who sell only cheap drives, and therefore get a
better wholsale
discount on the ATA-drives than on the SCSI-drives. They may profile
themselves as
"bargain stores" but actually sell SCSI-drives at a much higher price than a
more normal
store.

I just had the performance difference driven home rather brutally - I had to
copy a 3GB
ATA (Ultra 33) drive I use as a cheaper alternative to Jaz or Zip-disks onto
an Ultra 66
drive. It took fully ten times as long as it takes with my old SCSI-2 (8-bit
bus) drives
at home.


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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 23-Nov-99 10:53:01
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Jim Davie wrote:

> Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

> Asus K7M Athalon motherboard

Brilliant choice ! Has always worked for OS/2 (see > 64MB saga, aka ACPI1
versus ACPI2)

> IBM Deskstar 22GXP (22GB Ultra 66)

I'm running this hard disk with a Gigabyte GA-5AA motherboard.
In the config.sys, I have to add the following to the
BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD line:
/!SHUTDOWN, so the line looks like:

BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD /!SHUTDOWN

The reason for this shutdown option, is that after a reset or reboot (not a
powerdown/powerup) the harddisk goes into powersaving mode (i.e. spins down)
after 1 second of non-usage, so it spins up & down all the time.
This problem might be related to the combination of IBMs506 and my Ali 5
chipset, but keep this in mind.
Also, the IBMs506 driver is very slow (10seconds!) to initialize, so I use
Daniela's DaniS506.ADD without any options. Her driver initializes so fast, I
can't see it pass on the screen, i.e. < 1second.
Her driver can be found on the Hobbes archive.

OS/2 forever !

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 23-Nov-99 16:09:14
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:02
Subj: EEP ! almost forgot !!

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Jim Davie wrote:

> Thanks Wim!
>
> I was a bit concerned about the 22GB hard drive, and have already downloaded
> the DaniS506 driver!  I'm really looking forward to using the AMD 550 when
> compared to my current Pentium 200 (soon to be the kids gaming machine)!

You should know this already, but here goes: if you want to access all
harddisk
space from the start -OR- the hard disk is already partitioned beyond >8.4GB,
you need to update your OS/2 installation disks.

1) go to the online IBM driver pack, look for "updated OS/2 components",
locate,
'larger than 8.4GB support & download the 'upgrade'. You'll see it is just a
subset of IDE-related drivers from a fixpack (I guess 6, or maybe it's just
the
latest, 12).

2) don't forget to edit the config.sys file in order to copy drivers &
config.sys from floppy (i.e. not from the good old OS/2 cdrom),hence add the
following line:
set copyFromFloppy=1

That's about it I think ;-)

I hope you have access to a second machine running OS/2 in case anything goes
wrong (I'm assuming you connect from home through a modem).

Good luck ,
OS/2 forever !

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 23-Nov-99 16:19:01
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:02
Subj: Question about SMART

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Jim Davie wrote:

> Thanks Wim!

I feel better already !

> I was a bit concerned about the 22GB hard drive, and have already downloaded
> the DaniS506 driver!  I'm really looking forward to using the AMD 550 when
> compared to my current Pentium 200 (soon to be the kids gaming machine)!

I wish my 22GXP was 22GB, but it's 'only' 13GB. Still, that's enough to be
mightily annoyed by the '4-partition' limit. (i.e. 3 primaries + 1 extended).
Anyway, when my cumbersome GA-5AA boots, the BIOS tells me the Hard Disk is
SMART capable, but disabled !!
Yet, when I run the 'drive fitness test' from the IBM website
it performs SMART checks !!

Let me know if your SMART is enabled (I'm suspecting the Ali 5 again).

(Tip: download the hard disk noises from the IBM site, great WAV's !)

OS/2 forever !

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        23-Nov-99 20:27:08
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:02
Subj: Organizer & palm pilot

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

There is some software available for synchronizing a Palm Pilot
with Lotus Organizer. Does anyone know if this will work under
OS/2?

--
John

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        23-Nov-99 20:48:02
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:02
Subj: www.lotus.com

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

Does anyone else have any problem connecting to Lotus' web site?

I can never get the home page loaded up if I go to the company's home page,
although if I try  http://www.lotus.com/smartsuiteos2, I get:

Transfer interrupted!

0 --> 




                                             Welcome to
www.lotus.com/smartsuiteos2
                                                        (non-frame version)

This is using Netscape v4.6. If I try Lynx, I get:

HTTP/1.1 200 Document follows

There seem to be **sssssoooo**** many sites I can't access, www.palm.com,
for example.... 
Would this problem be related to me running Netscape under OS/2, or is there
something in my config which can be changed. I can't help feeling there is a
MS IIS blocker out there somewhere preventing my access.

--
John

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From: michael.wagner@pcservices.at                      23-Nov-99 19:16:01
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: Re: VMWare and OS2

From: "Michael Wagner" <michael.wagner@pcservices.at>

Im very interesting about a OS/2 guest OS support for vmware under linux or
NT.
For me is this not a question if this makes sense for my local PC, I have a
very big customer and he has to
provide Win32 and OS/2 support on the same machine.
We have to come away from OS/2 as client system, because all standard appl.
are Win32 and there also a lot of special sector SW only available under
windows. Also the IBM Second level support becomes more and more
unacceptable. So it makes sense to use a client OS like NT and only the one
own developed appl. runs in a virtuel machine until this appl. is ported to
java or something else.
We have us already registered as better tester for vmware OS/2 support, but
vmware says, it is depended of the number of interesting customers how fast
this development will be pushed through.
So I've 10.000 clients to provide with this solution and I'm looking for
peoples who are also interesting about the OS/2 support of vmware.
Let me know about you, or inform vmware directly!

Michael

Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> wrote in message
news:WGoN4oHpvmlI092yn@visi.com...
> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >How many people are planning to purchase VMWare because it has OS/2
> >client support? Just curious...
>
> I've already purchased a copy of their Linux VMWare server because I
> thought it was a neat concept.  Not that I've actually INSTALLED the
> non-beta product yet.  :-)
>
> The ability to run OS/2 in a VM under Linux interests me, anyway, but
> I'll still be booting to OS/2 on at least one machine regardless.  The
> second machine normally runs Linux now, so that lets me put my second
> OS/2 license to use again.
>
> --
>    -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>      OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
>       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>          I love defenseless animals, especially in a good gravy.


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From: stumblebum@wasted.blort                           23-Nov-99 18:15:13
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: stumblebum@wasted.blort (Mike Trettel)

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:46:21, pit@iohk.SPAM-NOT.com (taiQ) wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:16:43, possum@fred.net (Mike Trettel) thought 
> aloud:
> 
> > There has been a number of long threads on this topic in the past few
> > months, and according to the (alleged) developer himself, the answer is
> > no, he will not release the source.  I imagine checking on Deja would
> > turn up the thread I'm thinking of.
> 
> I must have missed that thread altogether.
> 
> The last word I ever heard from the owner (?) of Pronews code, 
> ex-Stardocker Bill Buchanan (billb@randomc.com) was as follows:
> 
>    "Thanks for the feedback ... fortunately, I have been getting 
> offers from
>     people to buy the code or release it as GNU.  I'm going to allow 
> for a
>     couple more weeks to see what trickles in and decide what is best 
> for the
>     project."

Just to make it complete, I missed Bradford's message too.  What I 
remember reading was a note from the developer (not the owner) stating
that he was not going to release the source, nor was he going to 
update or complete it.  Even if Bradford owns it he may not be able to
release it without the deveoper's permission, depending upon the 
license.  I'll have to spend some time on Deja looking it up, because 
it is pretty relevant to this thread.

I'm using ProNews as an offine reader right now, btw, in combination 
with Changi.  Works pretty good, I must say.

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     23-Nov-99 19:51:19
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: Re: Software support for the Epson Stylus-recommendation request

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:49:15, jbilbro@redrivernet.com (John Bilbro) 
wrote:

> I have decided to get an Epson Stylus 740. A while back the German Epson
> driver was the best when print results counted, since then the OMNI driver
> has been updated and improved. SO, is the German one still the best? OR
should
> I install just the OMNI one?
> Those of you who have an Epson Stylus - are you using IRQ or not? Any other
> suggestions, rules, tips?
> --
> John Bilbro                           Team OS2, NMRA, NRA, AARP
> Sheridan, Wyoming                     Lake Havasu City, Arizona
> jbilbro@wavecom.net  (May-Oct)        jbilbro@redrivernet.com (Nov-Apr)

Get EPOMNI from the OS/2 Device driver web site:
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm
It seems to have the performance of the German driver, with the 
reliability of the OMNI driver (at least with my Epson Stylus Color 
600). I think I saw the 740 listed under that driver, but it should be
on the DD web site.

I recommend using the /IRQ setting with ALL printers, unless it just 
won't work for some reason.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     23-Nov-99 19:51:20
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: Re: winos2 printer queue flush?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:33:18, fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) 
wrote:

> Greetings-
> 
> When I work in winos2 and send something to the printer it gets held up
> until I exit the winos2 app. (protel for windoze 2.8 / notepad) The OS/2
> print job object shows that the file is printing but nothing actually
> happens , and there does not seem to be any obvious place to kick it...
> any hints?
> Thanks!
>  
> 
> fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA
> 

The "problem" is that your DOS program is opening the printer for 
output, but it never closes the printer, until it gets closed when the
program finishes. (This was a very common, incorrect, thing to do with
DOS, and it didn't matter, because you could only run one program at a
time anyway. Windows will just use the printer, and ignores the fact 
that it is still open, should the situation arise). What happens is 
that the OS/2 print spooler is waiting for the printer to be closed, 
which doesn't happen until you end the program.

I am not 100% sure, if this will fix it,  but open the properties for 
your WinOS2 session (this needs to be done in EVERY WinOS2 program 
that you start from the OS/2 desktop, if it works)-> Session WIN-OS/2 
properties-> DOS printer settings-> and set PRINT_SEPARATE_OUTPUT to 
ON, and PRINT_TIMEOUT to 15 (the second one is the important one). 
Save all of that, and try again.

If that doesn't work, try Right mouse click the (OS/2) printer icon-> 
Properties-> Queue options, and make sure Print while spooling is 
checked.

You may need to experiment with these settings to determine an optimum
setup for your system. One problem that you can run into, is if the 
DOS job prints a little bit, waits for a while (the 15 second 
timeout), then decides to print some more, the OS/2 print spooler may 
decide that the job is finished, and print the first bit, then print 
the second bit as a separate job. If that happens, you can set the 
timeout to a long enough period to eliminate the problem (but that can
cause other problems), or you can print to a file, then just copy that
file to the printer (drag and drop should work).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: mgreene@exis.net                                  23-Nov-99 15:41:25
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: Re: Warp4 fp => Warp3?

From: "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@exis.net>

On 23 Nov 1999 10:40:12 GMT, John Hong wrote:

>alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) writes:
>
>>> 	With that said, there are lots of things one can rip from Warp 4 
>>> onto Warp 3.  RTMIDI is one, another is the WarpCentre (if you have 
>>> Lotus SmartCentre from the Smartsuite 96 or WordPro/Freelance 96
installed).
>
>>I've wondered about the WarpCentre.  Why do you need Smartsuite stuff
>>to do this, though?
>
>	How else can you install it?  SmartCentre is installed by Lotus
>WordPro 96 or SmartSuite 96 as an option and works in much the same way as
>WarpCentre.  Unlike the older Smartsuite (AmiPro 3.0b), the SS96 version
>is a .DLL file, not a .EXE file like before.  All one has to do is nab the
>latest SCENTER.DLL and stick it in there, you will need the PMMERGE.DLL
>with it, though.  Voila, WarpCentre.
>

What about Warp4? Does it use pmmerge.dll and ??what?? dll to run warpcenter?
Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net>     |      OS/2 Warp / Linux / Win95-311



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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               23-Nov-99 20:49:10
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: StarOffice problems

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Hi!

I just restored my system partition to recover from corrupted INIs
thanks to SO 5.1a. SO 5.1a suddenly started crashing upon loading
StarWriter files. The statusbar shows that about 75% of the files have
been loaded when the crash occurs. SO stops responding and the cursor
shows the clock symbol. When I try to kill SO via the XFree driver kill
feature SO hangs in the exitlist.

What's going on here? I can't remember that I have changed anything.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     23-Nov-99 19:51:17
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: Re: Device Driver Fixpack

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:20:25, letoured@nospam.net wrote:

> >>Makes no difference but there is a caveat:  if you have not applied a 
> >>fixpak later than something like 5 or 6 there are some files which 
> >>will not be serviced by applying both FP12 and DD01 to a GA level 
> >>system according to some info posted here a couple of months back.
> 
> This does not sound right.   All fixpacs are cumulative unlss IBM changed
> the policy -- and I haven't that anywhere.
> ___________
> Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
> 

The policy was changed (as noted in fix pack 10, or 11, and 12). Some 
of the device drivers (not all) have been removed from the normal fix 
pack stream, and have been placed in their own fix pack (in fact, the 
separation doesn't seem to be entirely complete, but that is 
irrelevant for this discussion).

It should not matter which FP you install first, but you will need to 
READ the README that comes with the fix pack, to see if it says 
anything about specifically replacing newer files, with older ones 
(this has always been the case anyway). Sometimes, a newer file will 
be replaced with an older one to remove a previous fix that doesn't 
work properly.

After you determine which older files should replace newer ones (from 
the READMEs), you can install the fix paks, and keep any unmentioned 
(is that a word???) newer files, which should leave you with the 
correct files installed.

Now, in a practical sense, you should determine the relative dates of 
the fix packs. For instance, FP10 came out before the DD FP, so it 
would make sense to install FP10, then the DD FP. (I am not sure where
FP11 fits). FP12 came out AFTER the DD FP, so it would make sense to 
install it after the DD FP.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     23-Nov-99 19:51:18
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:03
Subj: Re: Help me: EA DATA.SF.....245MEG

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:12:34, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) 
wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:47:20, Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Definitely DO NOT delete it: you WILL "break" your whole system.
> > 
> > Alan
> > 
> > 
> > "Mr. Ho Ke Dokie" wrote:
> > > 
> > > My EA_DATA.SF file is killing my hard drive.  The damn thing is 245 meg.
> > > 
> > > How can I trim it down?
> 
> That depends on what the drive is used for.  I have a FAT drive that 
> contains Windows and Windows software plus some data files.  The EAs 
> on it are put there by the WP shell when I view a folder (I think they
> contain the position of the icons or something).  Deleting EA DATA. 
> SF, which I've done on numerous occasions, didn't hurt a thing.  All 
> you need to do is run CHKDSK afterwards to remove any references to 
> EAs.
> 
> 
> Glen D
> -<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

DON'T try that on your OS/2 boot drive!
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: larso@commodore.                                  23-Nov-99 21:36:29
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Bob Germer write:
> On <80h8dj$bcn$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 11/12/99 at 02:32 PM,
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> 
> > Microsoft is not required to sell their products at any price to any
> > people. If Intel doesn't want to do what MS wants, MS doesn't have to
> > support them. Microsoft isn't the babysitter of whining computer
> > companies.
> 
> > Your problem is that when MS says "do this or you don't get to buy our
> > product", it has success behind it.  You will in all seriousness reply
> > to me that because MS is successful it has to play by a different set of
> > rules.
> 
> Oh, my. Another idiot with no knowledge of Federal Law.

That there is a shitty law doesn't change the fact that its shitty.

>                                                        It is unlawful to
> charge different customers different prices for the same quantity of the
> same product.

Tell that to stores that offer discounts.  I get my food at a restaurant
near my home for a cheaper price than the general public.

When I sell something, I base my price on who is asking.  You will not
be able to buy a slice of pizza off me at the same rate I'd offer my cousin.
In fact, I may refuse to sell you the slice at all.

>                   Moreover, no one from a company, be it the corner candy
> store or Microsoft can refuse to sell to some would be customers but not
> others.

And why not?  Why must the hammer of government be omnipresent to force a
company to sell to somebody they don't want to?

> MS doesn't have to play to different rules.

I've already listed ways that other companies can play that you vehemently
cry against MS doing...

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: larso@commodore.                                  23-Nov-99 21:39:14
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Jerry Prather write:
> (Lars P Ormberg)12 Nov 1999 14:32:19 GMT writes:

> :>If another company doesn't enter into a partnership with you, you can
> :>withhold things.  Like sales.
> 
> Good grief!  I thought this kind of thing was settled back when
> Lester Maddox was told he _had_ to sell his chicken dinners to
> blacks because it was "open to the public".

On the converse side, would you force Lester Maddox to eat at restaurant A
because the owner was black?

If you think that kind of forcing is idiotic, how can you gladly accept the
flipside?

>                                                  Are you trying to
> tell me that M$ is not open to the public? 

"Open to the public" is a farce.  A person's property should only be open to
whomever they want it to be open for...likewise, only received by those who
wish to receive it.

-- 
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:larso@ualberta.ca
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: bran.everseeking@sk.sympatico.ca                  23-Nov-99 16:00:23
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: www.lotus.com

From: bran.everseeking@sk.sympatico.ca

In <383afd85.0@katana.legend.co.uk>, on 11/23/99 
   at 08:48 PM, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak) said:

|>Does anyone else have any problem connecting to Lotus' web site?

lotus home page, the smartsuite page and the palm site all load fine
for me

The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.035
JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19991026
1280x1024 16 mil 16" vis monitor
Netscape 4.61 128bit GA 
P200 96 meg  ATI 3dExpressions+ 4meg
IBM GRADD .80 driver
DSL 1.544 Mb/s connect


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
bran.everseeking@sk.sympatico.ca  If I am politically correct it is as much an 

accident as my spelling, please dont expect an appology 
for my style or opinions.
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: bv@opera.no                                       23-Nov-99 22:14:26
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Wim Wauters wrote:

>
> Well, I live in the UK, and also a bit in Belgium. And comparable drives are 
2.5times more
> expensive because they happen to have a SCSI interface. It's just product
marketing in my
> opinion.

That is extreme! But I guess that, since it is a big market, prices of
high-volume items can be
brought down more than in a smaller market.

> > Nobody makes low-reliability SCSI drives,
>
> Ever heard of the Seagate Medalist ?? (aka "dead chicken") I had 5 of those
pieces of sh*t.
>

OH - I forgot about those. And there is also Quantum, who seem to prefer speed 
over reliability
in their ATA-drives and do not know the first thing about SCSI, so they are
both "slow" and
unreliable.
The more expensive Seagate drives are usually OK (I still have an old 40MB
ST-506 type which
works), but I have never heard about a long-lived Quantum.

> The two IDE ones outlived the SCSI ones !! (4 years in stead of 2 years).
Seagate is still
> selling them in both SCSI and IDE flavor.

Tough. My old NEC 150MB 5" full-height SCSI-1 drive recently failed after
almost ten years of
continous use. The 9-year old 350MB drive is still operational.



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From: mgreene@exis.net                                  23-Nov-99 15:44:13
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@exis.net>

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:49:47 +0000, Wim Wauters wrote:

>
>
>Bj rn Vermo wrote:
>
>
>To conclude my rant:
>1) comparable hard disks should have the same price
>2) never buy a Seagate Medalist
>

You should expand #2 - never buy a Seagate.
Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net>     |      OS/2 Warp / Linux / Win95-311



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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    23-Nov-99 21:57:23
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Fixpack 42

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Alex Taylor (alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca) wrote:

: (Incidentally, don't FP 41 and 42 introduce a couple of minor Y2K fixes?)

	Nothing of importance.  FP41 introduced one, that was for the 
BACKUP command function which I don't think anyone uses anymore.  Thing 
is, there is a downloadable fix for that anyways.


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From: rjlapham@infinet.com                              23-Nov-99 16:08:26
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Help me: EA DATA.SF.....245MEG

From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham)

In <tYTO4sgaXmLG092yn@attglobal.net>, on 11/23/99 
   at 12:25 AM, dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills) said:

> In article <Yp6_3.777$C481.4784439@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca>,
> goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie) wrote:
> >
> >My EA_DATA.SF file is killing my hard drive.  The damn thing is 245 meg.
> >
> >How can I trim it down?

> 1/. Run CHKDSK against the drive, you might have EAs that belong to
> deleted files- usually happens if you delete the files from DOS or
> Windows. Running Windows SCANDISK against the drive will also detach all
> the EAs from their files and leave them clogging up EA DATA. SF.

> 2/ Convert the drive to HPFS, it's much more efficient at storing EAs.

3/ If you feel you *must* use FAT, resize your partition(s) so that they
use smaller clusters.  Each file with EAs uses a minimum of one cluster
for the EAs.

    -Jerry
-- 
============================================================
Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com
Written Tuesday, November 23, 1999 - 04:08 PM (EST)
============================================================
MR/2 Ice tag:  Letterman:  Top New York Democrats are saying that in order for 
Hillary Clinton to campaign effectively, she may have to give up her
responsibilities as First Lady.  But Bill said, "That's okay, I'll have an
intern fill in for her."

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    23-Nov-99 22:42:25
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Fast file searches?

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 07:26:11, Jeff Grinnell <grinnell@acunet.net> 
wrote:

> Thanks for bringing up PMSEEK.  I had forgotten about this as I stopped
> using it.  It likes to look at my two reserved drive letters I use for
> removable media (G:, H:).  In order to use it I have to reply to two
> error msg boxes first. (If there is no removable media installed)  Is
> there a switch or parameter I can set in the object's property windows
> to cause it to ignore these two removable media drive letters?

When I start up PMSEEK, the main dialog presents me with a set of 
checkboxes for the drives to be searched. Or doesn't that stop it 
actually looking at your removable drives?

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: jonas@ipab.se                                     24-Nov-99 00:03:08
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: I cant Install Warp 4   HELP !!!!

From: "jonas persson" <jonas@ipab.se>

Hello.

I have a ACER TRAVELMATE 517TE notebook.
When I try to install OS/2 WARP 4 it just hangs after
inserted 2:nd floppy. It hangs after a while with that blue "WARP"
logo-screen still on. Seems it cant access the hard-drive or something
like that.

What am I doing wrong?  How to solve this?

Please email me if you have any suggestions at  jonas@ipab.se

Thanks,
Jonas Persson




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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 23-Nov-99 22:14:17
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  Hello all,

  I've had the high end SCSI (for there time period) of Quantum, Seagate, IBM,
and Micropolis.  One Micropolis 4GB died 1 year+4 days due to spindle trouble.
It had to go to the company instead of ...Dirt Cheap Drives(?).  I was backed 
up and barely missed a beat.  4 weeks of living in 3.5 GB after nearly 8 was
difficult at first; that was my 'new' boot drive.  Now the Cheeta 18GB and 9GB
carry those loads.

  I've found that SCSI vs. mass interface of the day is about $100 USA more 
expensive per device.  But I do have lots of SCSI devices, all legacy drives
and an old Exabyte 5GB tape drive still work with the brand new system.
Upgrades were merely a switch of the cables, a new boot partition (sometimes)
and I was off and running.  I don't partition as much as most people seem to.
Once I've made drive its usually partitioned for life.  None of the drives
from
any maker have died, save the Micropolis.  All were space heaters for their
day and I've had to plan on extra fans and cooling issues.  Part of the joy
of building your system.

  Where SCSI shines, IMHO, is its support for multiple devices per line, and
disconnect while processing.  Any decent OS that made use of multitasking
or multiprocessing can use the power of a SCSI device.  Microsoft DOS,
Win 9X are basically single tasking OSs that couldn't really make use of
a set of SCSI devices anyway.  NT can and usually does have good drives.
The so called alternate OSs that have been around longer than the Microsoft
equivalents used these devices because they were smarter that other 
devices.  The same concept goes for WinModems, WinPrinters, and os on.
For some, the simlicity and lower cost is more important. For others, high
speed and full system utilization is more important.  For me, the price has
been well worth it.

  Today there are 19 SCSI devices hanging off my system.  Only two were
bought with the new system.  All the others are legacy. I even had to through
all my ISA cards out for the new system.  The SCSI devices work as good, if
not better than before.  SCSI was one of the great transfer methods that
still has room to grow with.  Now if scanner makers would listen to that I'ld
buy one of those too.

  Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

  David

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               23-Nov-99 19:05:18
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 21:19:15
Subj: Re: Pmmerge variations

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:27:03 -0500 (EST), /2 User wrote:

>>>The zip file on that site is corrupt.
>>
>>
>>Are you sure? I downloaded and unzipped it without apparent problem. I
>>haven't tried the dll yet.
>
>New DLL is running fine for me so far. Maybe your download was corrupt?

I must say that new pmmerge did seem to speed up the WPS considerably. Thanks
for letting us know about it.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              24-Nov-99 00:06:29
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 21:19:15
Subj: Re: Pmmerge variations

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <383a46f9$1$qnivfs$mr2ice@news.logical.net>, nemo@union.edu writes:
>In <AOl_3.14317$ss3.535330@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, on 11/23/99 
>   at 01:08 AM, cotroneo@stny.rr.com said:
>
>>>
>>>A very good pmmerge.dll version can be downloaded from:
>>>ftp://protein.bio.msu.su/pub/os2/fixes/pmr00052.zip
>>>
>>>Arjen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>>The zip file on that site is corrupt.
>
>
>Are you sure? I downloaded and unzipped it without apparent problem. I
>haven't tried the dll yet.
>
>F.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>      Felmon John Davis		
>     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
>     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
>     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
>     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>

Yes, it appears that my download did not complete.

Keith

Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: smedi@my-deja.com                                 24-Nov-99 00:12:23
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 21:19:15
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: Sundeep <smedi@my-deja.com>

I wish I had seen this thread earlier, ie before trying to install corel
linux.

This is a warning as well as information for other users. The partition
program in the install is ridiculous-

1. It will not use an available partition as the root partition.
2. You have to delete and then add a partition for it to accept a root
partition.
3. If you are trying to install in an extended partition it writes the
cylinders incorrectly so that they are not contigous-- Even after I
tried maximising the MB to be alloted to the partition from within the
program. It would stop short a leave a few cylinders blank at the end of
the corel partition and before the beginning of the next one. The
install off course bombs.
4. On trying to re-install  it completely screwed up the partition table
so that there are no partitions after the corel partition. It completely
destroyed my mbr AND the installed crashed with no usable linux left on
the system.

Thankfully I had made a copy of my mbr to a floppy prior to installing
corel linux. I was able to boot of this and at least get to the windows
partition.

I then downloaded Tomsrtbt linux that fits onto a floppy. This one is
simply amazing! It is staying with me forever.

Used fdisk from this linux to fix my partition table to what it was
prior to the corel install- I fortunately remembered the start and end
cylinders for all of the partitions ( I definitely had my fingers
crossed). I am now keeping a printout in a safe place. Wrote this table
to disk and all the partitions were usable with no need to reformat and
recover.

Needless to say Corel certainly needs to clean up their installation
before I ever touch it again. It may be OK only for people who have a
complete hard-drive to spare.


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      24-Nov-99 00:44:13
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 21:19:15
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 >Has anyone tried News Harvest ?  If so, what did you think of it ?
 
 I guess it can be used for downloading message threads but
 it's really more designed for decoding binary newsgroups. 
 For that it's great -- I kick it up occasionally to view jpg
 newsgroups strictly Old Master paintings <cough> and mp3s. 

And only legal and non-copyrigthed pictures and mp3s I suppose? :-)

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.5: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K 
:)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn     
home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn/kw

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From: swansona@fastwave.net                             24-Nov-99 00:51:19
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 21:19:15
Subj: PCMCIA SmartMedia Card Reader

From: swansona@fastwave.net

	Anyone know anything about such a thing?  Something that works under 
OS/2?  I'm looking for an easy way to get photos from an Olympus 450Z 
into my laptop.

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From: bbcat@netonecom.net                               23-Nov-99 19:02:00
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 21:19:15
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: Michel Catudal <bbcat@netonecom.net>

Sundeep wrote:
> 
> I wish I had seen this thread earlier, ie before trying to install corel
> linux.
> 
> This is a warning as well as information for other users. The partition
> program in the install is ridiculous-
> 
> 1. It will not use an available partition as the root partition.
> 2. You have to delete and then add a partition for it to accept a root
> partition.
> 3. If you are trying to install in an extended partition it writes the
> cylinders incorrectly so that they are not contigous-- Even after I
> tried maximising the MB to be alloted to the partition from within the
> program. It would stop short a leave a few cylinders blank at the end of
> the corel partition and before the beginning of the next one. The
> install off course bombs.
> 4. On trying to re-install  it completely screwed up the partition table
> so that there are no partitions after the corel partition. It completely
> destroyed my mbr AND the installed crashed with no usable linux left on
> the system.
> 
> Thankfully I had made a copy of my mbr to a floppy prior to installing
> corel linux. I was able to boot of this and at least get to the windows
> partition.
> 
> I then downloaded Tomsrtbt linux that fits onto a floppy. This one is
> simply amazing! It is staying with me forever.
> 
> Used fdisk from this linux to fix my partition table to what it was
> prior to the corel install- I fortunately remembered the start and end
> cylinders for all of the partitions ( I definitely had my fingers
> crossed). I am now keeping a printout in a safe place. Wrote this table
> to disk and all the partitions were usable with no need to reformat and
> recover.
> 
> Needless to say Corel certainly needs to clean up their installation
> before I ever touch it again. It may be OK only for people who have a
> complete hard-drive to spare.
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

I'd be very interested in the details on how to recover a partition table as
you did.
I managed to keep a working Corel Linux which I have tared and backed up
before I
repartitionned the drive once I created a new blank partition table with
fdisk. Despite
what many people think I have never had problems with Linux fdisk screwing up. 
The guilty
part here is Corel's fdisk which is one of the shittiest piece of junk I've
yet to see.
Why didn't they use fdisk, druid or partition magic. Usually I use either OS/2 
or partition
magic to setup the partitions and use fdisk to toggle the partition number.

What is scary with this new Corel release is that if this garbage hit the
stores, Linux
is going to get hit all over as if it was a virus. At this point, unless you
have the opportunity
to do what I did there is little way to be able to have a workable Corel Linux 
as well as a
surviving system. I could have lived with it but what bothered me was that
OS/2 and partition
magic could no longer see the drive.

As to why it went past the beta mode without anyone noticing the bug is
unbelievable. Someone
was asleep at the switch.

Is that fdisk from KDE group or is it done by Corel?

-- 
Tann du plantage avec Ti-Mou?
C'est l'temps d'essayer Linux
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
We have software, food, music, news, search,
history, electronics and genealogy pages.

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 23-Nov-99 19:49:13
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no> wrote:

>Wim Wauters wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, I live in the UK, and also a bit in Belgium. And comparable drives
are 2.5times more
>> expensive because they happen to have a SCSI interface. It's just product
marketing in my
>> opinion.
>
>That is extreme! But I guess that, since it is a big market, prices of
high-volume items can be
>brought down more than in a smaller market.
>
>> > Nobody makes low-reliability SCSI drives,
>>
>> Ever heard of the Seagate Medalist ?? (aka "dead chicken") I had 5 of those 
pieces of sh*t.
>>
>
>OH - I forgot about those. And there is also Quantum, who seem to prefer
speed over reliability
>in their ATA-drives and do not know the first thing about SCSI, so they are
both "slow" and
>unreliable.

Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
most well-informed opinions...

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 23-Nov-99 19:59:15
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

>Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
> >Has anyone tried News Harvest ?  If so, what did you think of it ?
> 
> I guess it can be used for downloading message threads but
> it's really more designed for decoding binary newsgroups. 
> For that it's great -- I kick it up occasionally to view jpg
> newsgroups strictly Old Master paintings <cough> and mp3s. 
>
>And only legal and non-copyrigthed pictures and mp3s I suppose? :-)
>
>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n

Oh, my.  Well, there isn't anything particularly original
about the sm^H^H Rembrandts I download (for my brother) and
(alas, perhaps, for those portrayed in them) I believe
they're covered by fair use.  Or rather, the subjects of
these works of um art surrendered the use of their likeness
and creative inspiration to the vagaries of the marketplace,
it's safe to say.  Not to mention the moment, bless their
hearts.

In fact, I haven't got enough disk space (or interest
really) to spend a lot of it on mp3s.  But I admit there's
an interesting copyright question: I've only download songs
that are on albums I own (Beatles stuff if you must know):
for that reason I've hoped I wasn't in violation of
copyright.  I try to make something of an effort in these
things, since as a content provider I've seen my own
copyright violated many times.  

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              24-Nov-99 01:45:04
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: too bad...

From: alan@min.net.notspam

Too bad there's no way for OS/2 users to sue Microsoft, being that MS's
monopoly likely stopped many app vendors from creating and supporting OS/2
versions of their products.  Heck, ISPs don't support OS/2 because
everyone has windows.

Maybe there is a way, and some OS/2-using lawyer will lead a class-action.

Alan


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Nov-99 02:46:18
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: too bad...

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:45:08, alan@min.net.notspam a crit dans un message:

> Too bad there's no way for OS/2 users to sue Microsoft, being that MS's
> monopoly likely stopped many app vendors from creating and supporting OS/2
> versions of their products.  Heck, ISPs don't support OS/2 because
> everyone has windows.
> 
> Maybe there is a way, and some OS/2-using lawyer will lead a class-action.

Not likely, since IBM has been a party to most of the bad decisions. They'd
have to sue IBM, I think, alongside M$, and that's not a good way to get 
access to IBM's insider knowledge of the meetings and correspondence. Much 
better if IBM gets the spirit themselves.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              24-Nov-99 03:15:25
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: PCMCIA SmartMedia Card Reader

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

swansona@fastwave.net wrote:

>         Anyone know anything about such a thing?  Something that works under
> OS/2?  I'm looking for an easy way to get photos from an Olympus 450Z
> into my laptop.

Hi --

I have no firsthand knowledge of this, but if you are on Compuserve (used to
be
OS2USER
forum, now folded into IBMFORUM),  there is a member there who I believe uses
such a
reader.  He may have identified it to me in an old message, but I'll have to
rummage around
looking for it.

<jf>


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From: john@dhh.gt.org                                   24-Nov-99 02:19:08
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: A few nightmares with Corel Linux, it screwed up the boot process.

From: John Hasler <john@dhh.gt.org>

Sundeep writes:
> It may be OK only for people who have a complete hard-drive to spare.

I tried that.  It scribbled on the mbr on my other drive.  I was able to
recover easily with a rescue floppy, but if I had been a Windows user I
would have been SOL.
-- 
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Nov-99 15:05:20
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: Pmmerge variations

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:34:50, "Arjen Meijer" <arjen@removethis.hacom.nl> a 
crit dans un message:

> On 22 Nov 1999 14:30:03 GMT, Csaba Raduly wrote:
> 
> :>Could you please run bldlevel on them and post the results ?
> :>"2.1st testcase" 1254973 bytes, is revision 9.35
> 
> Latest version
> Signature:       @#IBM:9.30#@ OS/2 PM Merged Library
> 
> Good version
> Signature:       @#IBM:9.35#@ OS/2 PM Merged Library
> 
> Fixpack 12 version
> Signature:       @#IBM:9.36#@ OS/2 PM Merged Library

Sticking my nose in just to mention that these BLDLEVEL outputs indicate 
clearly that "Latest version" isn't a later build at all. 

Generally, when I've seen files show up on testcase that were earlier 
builds, if they were larger in size they often just appeared to contain 
debug code. In a very small number of cases where problems have popped up 
with a DLL from the wide release of a fixpack, one of the first things IBM 
will do is to backlevel to a known solid version.

I'm speaking only from my non-technical hands-on experience of dealing with
these things, by the way. Much of which resulted in making my system even 
more unstable than it had been before I swapped in a testcase file.


-- 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: grinnell@acunet.net                               23-Nov-99 23:54:12
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: Fast file searches?

From: Jeff Grinnell <grinnell@acunet.net>


Bob Eager wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 07:26:11, Jeff Grinnell <grinnell@acunet.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for bringing up PMSEEK.  I had forgotten about this as I stopped
> > using it.  It likes to look at my two reserved drive letters I use for
> > removable media (G:, H:).  In order to use it I have to reply to two
> > error msg boxes first. (If there is no removable media installed)  Is
> > there a switch or parameter I can set in the object's property windows
> > to cause it to ignore these two removable media drive letters?
> 
> When I start up PMSEEK, the main dialog presents me with a set of
> checkboxes for the drives to be searched. Or doesn't that stop it
> actually looking at your removable drives?


Actually I got the Error Msg Boxes after I clicked PMSeek to open it. 
They stated that the device is not ready (that's because they are
removable and not currently in place).

I took Bennie's suggestion and added the AUTOFAIL=YES to my config.sys
and now PMSEEK opens without the msg boxes popping up.

(Thanks to Bennie for the suggestion and all the rest who contributed
ideas)

Jeff

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From: mckinnis@attglobal.net                            23-Nov-99 22:56:03
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: www.lotus.com

From: mckinnis@attglobal.net (Chuck McKinnis)

However, if you don't have that DSL connection, it's the pits.  Most 
of these so-called web page authors never try their page with the 
barbed wire connection I have.  I have complained to Lotus more than 
once.  IBM is just as bad, and I can't seem to get their attention 
(even though we peddle in excess of $40 mil a year for them as a 
business partner).

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:48:05, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John 
Poltorak) wrote:

> Does anyone else have any problem connecting to Lotus' web site?
> 
> I can never get the home page loaded up if I go to the company's home page,
> although if I try  http://www.lotus.com/smartsuiteos2, I get:
> 
> Transfer interrupted!
> 
> 0 --> 
> 
>                                              Welcome to
www.lotus.com/smartsuiteos2
>                                                         (non-frame version)
> 
> This is using Netscape v4.6. If I try Lynx, I get:
> 
> HTTP/1.1 200 Document follows
> 
> There seem to be **sssssoooo**** many sites I can't access, www.palm.com,
> for example.... 
> Would this problem be related to me running Netscape under OS/2, or is there
> something in my config which can be changed. I can't help feeling there is a
> MS IIS blocker out there somewhere preventing my access.
> 
> --
> John

Chuck McKinnis
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        23-Nov-99 20:01:09
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:04
Subj: Re: OS/2 Supersite/BMT Micro FixPak 12 CD experience

From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

Lorne Sunley wrote:

> Felix Miata wrote:
 
> > My SERVICE.LOG indicates the attempt to archive fails. I
> > tried several times. Since the installer apparently provides no option
> > to not archive, I can get nowhere. There is about 170 Mb free on the F:\
> > boot drive where archives existed before I deleted them. The installer
> > failed to indicate inadequate free space. CHKDSK reports no errors. I
> > found no help on the CD. What do I do next?
 
> First clue, you deleted the archives....

I wasn't too clear. I deleted the archives only after I got the cannot
open message a few times.
 
> The error is occuring because some other files
> established by the fixpack say that there ARE archives.
 
> The readme file tells you what files to delete to get around
> this problem.

Since the idea of the CD was simplification, I figured everything I
needed to know ought to not be nested too deep on the CD. The readme in
the root is 1,491 bytes, fails to suggest any place to look for help in
the event of failure, and fails to suggest in which directory the actual
fixpak or possible readme files exist.

While waiting for a response from Usenet or the CD creators, I poked
around the installer. The installer has a "change product list"
selection available after it has searched for products to service.
Hiding in there is an option to "commit" previous products. I've never
previously found a way to commit, even though on several occasions I did
try. I committed everything it offered up. Then installation ran without
a hitch. I'm now at 9.036, 24 hours later. Everything looks dandy so
far. Neither the Netscapes, nor anything else, has crashed since. The
WPS even seems faster. Is this a mere illusion?

Thanks for the reply!
-- 
He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers
harm.                Proverbs 13:20 NKJV

 Team OS/2

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net

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From: haimann@dmreg.infi.net                            23-Nov-99 23:15:13
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:04
Subj: Help!!!

From: Terry & Cheryl Haimann <haimann@dmreg.infi.net>

I messed up my tcp/ip settings, so I thought I could just uninstall it
and reinstall it.  Well I can't find tcp/ip in selective install to
reinstall it!  I don't want to have to reinstall the whole os!!!

Thx	Terry

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             23-Nov-99 21:49:24
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:04
Subj: Re: I cant Install Warp 4   HELP !!!!

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

jonas persson wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I have a ACER TRAVELMATE 517TE notebook.
> When I try to install OS/2 WARP 4 it just hangs after
> inserted 2:nd floppy. It hangs after a while with that blue "WARP"
> logo-screen still on. Seems it cant access the hard-drive or something
> like that.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?  How to solve this?
> 
> Please email me if you have any suggestions at  jonas@ipab.se

The IDE driver probably isn't compatible with your disk controller. 
Replace the IBM1s506.ADD driver with the DANIS506.ADD driver available
on Hobbes at:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/system/drivers/storage/danis506.zip


> 
> Thanks,
> Jonas Persson

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           24-Nov-99 06:26:03
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:04
Subj: Re: Help!!!

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:15:27, Terry & Cheryl Haimann 
<haimann@dmreg.infi.net> wrote:

> I messed up my tcp/ip settings, so I thought I could just uninstall it
> and reinstall it.  Well I can't find tcp/ip in selective install to
> reinstall it!  I don't want to have to reinstall the whole os!!!
> 

The TCP/IP applications can be installed by
running the INSTALL program in the
\CID\IMG\TCPAPPS directory on the Warp 4 CD.


--

Lorne Sunley

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From: stefanj@gte.net                                   24-Nov-99 07:59:21
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 05:20:20
Subj: Re: Question about SMART

From: stefanj@gte.net (Jason Stefanovich)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:19:03 +0000, Wim Wauters
<reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com> wrote:

>
>
>Jim Davie wrote:
>
>> Thanks Wim!
>
>I feel better already !
>
>> I was a bit concerned about the 22GB hard drive, and have already
downloaded
>> the DaniS506 driver!  I'm really looking forward to using the AMD 550 when
>> compared to my current Pentium 200 (soon to be the kids gaming machine)!
>
>I wish my 22GXP was 22GB, but it's 'only' 13GB. Still, that's enough to be
>mightily annoyed by the '4-partition' limit. (i.e. 3 primaries + 1 extended).
>Anyway, when my cumbersome GA-5AA boots, the BIOS tells me the Hard Disk is
>SMART capable, but disabled !!
>Yet, when I run the 'drive fitness test' from the IBM website
>it performs SMART checks !!

Same here and I have the VIA chipset.  Turned off SMART and then
checked the Hard Monitor, says everything is OK.


>
>Let me know if your SMART is enabled (I'm suspecting the Ali 5 again).
>
>(Tip: download the hard disk noises from the IBM site, great WAV's !)
>
>OS/2 forever !

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  24-Nov-99 08:02:28
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 05:20:20
Subj: PCI soundcard for OS/2

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

Can someone recommend a PCI soundcard that supports full-duplex operation 
(for telephony), for which OS/2 drivers are available?

I have tried to install a Crystal-based ISA card (TidalWave128) in my 
Supermicro system, with the help of people at Cirrus, the manufacturers of 
the chipset, but was unable to get it to work. The advice from Cirrus is to
use a PCI card, but I do not find any.

I have examined Timur's soundcard page, which lists cards that work under 
OS/2, mostly with the remark that the card is no longer produced or that 
the manufacturer has gone belly up. The page is _seriously_ out of date, so
that, e.g. Turtle Beach, for which several cards are listed, informed me 
that they no longer make any card with the Crystal chipset, and do not 
support OS/2.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.


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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             24-Nov-99 08:13:21
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 05:20:20
Subj: Re: PCMCIA SmartMedia Card Reader

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:51:38, swansona@fastwave.net wrote:

> 	Anyone know anything about such a thing?  Something that works under 
> OS/2?  I'm looking for an easy way to get photos from an Olympus 450Z 
> into my laptop.

 I bought a Delkin Devices (http://www.delkin.com) SmartMedia to ATA 
Type 2 card (model DDSMFLS-AD) but I haven't been able to get it to 
work under OS/2. Mind you, it doesn't work under Win95 and Win98 
either.

According to their FAQ:

"Additional drivers are not needed. When the adapter is inserted 
properly with a
 memory card installed, your computer will automatically launch the 
"New hardware found"
 dialog box. Usually this is the "Standard IDE/ESDI hard disk 
controller". Just follow the
 directions in Windows? and you will be able to access the information
on the card."

But it just didn't work on my systems. Pity, because it would be a 
very convenient way to copy image files from the SmartMedia to the 
laptop drive (I also have an Olympus camera)

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From: someone@microsoft.com                             24-Nov-99 13:17:23
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: SysInfo/2 new release is comming soon...

From: "CUS_ADM" <someone@microsoft.com>

Dear Friends!
    My work is going on. I will try to plase my new version of SysInfo/2 (PM
selfmade clone of wellknown NU 3.0 for Win 95/NT SysInfo ) into HOBBES soon.
Version number will be 0.50. Now you can download SysInfo v 0.038
(ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/system/sysinfo0038.zip)
    This is a list of enchansements and differences from current (0.038)
version:
    1)First page (Total info) is allmost compleate (Dos Support - corrected,
FixPack&Build Level - added, Multimedia&CDROM - addded, HDDs info - added)
    2)2nd page (Memory Info) - refresh is added
    3)Problems with opening of readonly *.INI files that prevent SysInfo/2
to start - corrected
    4)Last page (Device tree) - allmost done. Information is shown in Win95
style and now you can find all info about any device you selected + total
resource usage summary (IRQ, DMA, Ports, etc.) - also like in Win 95

    The SysInfo/2 project roadmap is:
    1) CPU&FPU benchmarks will be added to 1st page (may be, based on
SysBench source)
    2) Disk&CDROM benchmarks will be added to 3rd page (may be based on
diskbench source)
    3) "Details" buttons will be added to all page (to display, save & print
information summary in a text form)
    4) PCI devices will be displayed from PCI helper information, not from
DevManager, so you will see in Device Tree some PCI devices that is not
known/not installed in your OS/2 system.
    5) Command line parameters will be added to use SysInfo in *.cmd files
    6) MMIO information page will be compleated.
    7) All help will be written.

    And also... ;-(( From SysInfo/2 v. 0.50 time limit will be added. And
from v. 0.90 (I think, after doing step 5) from the roadmap shown above )
SysInfo/2 will become a shareware program. I think, the price will be smole
and not become a problem. ;-))

    Now, I ask you to try my current SysInfo/2
(ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/system/sysinfo0038.zip) to find some
bugs not listed in corrected list shown above. I am interesting in testing
my SysInfo/2 on new CPU (Pentium II >400Mh, Athlon, Pentium III) and on a
new VideoCards (all that are supported by SDD Beta 9). Please, take part in
beta testing phase! Taking part in this phase will garantee you a free
ordering of SysInfo/2 in future.
    Also you are wellcome to do national translation!

Best Regards, Alexey Smirnov aka Elf Tingol.
Please, mail me to: ELF@KROVATKA.RU



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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 24-Nov-99 09:21:16
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: OS2 FixPak's Install all or just latest?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <383A740E.59BDA1EA@pandora.be>, Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be>
writes:
>
>Lorne Sunley wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:14:49, Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > My SERVICE.LOG indicates the attempt to archive fails. I
>> > tried several times. Since the installer apparently provides no option
>> > to not archive, I can get nowhere. There is about 170 Mb free on the F:\
>> > boot drive where archives existed before I deleted them. The installer
>> > failed to indicate inadequate free space. CHKDSK reports no errors. I
>> > found no help on the CD. What do I do next?
>>
>> First clue, you deleted the archives....
>>
>> The error is occuring because some other files
>> established by the fixpack say that there ARE archives.
>>
>> The readme file tells you what files to delete to get around
>> this problem.
>
>I recently had a problem with resume/backout after a very rare uncorrected
>read error which occurred in CSF 1.41 FSERVICE copying the crucial file
>"PRINT01.SY_"  ;-)
>It panicked with  CSF-0239 CSF Fatal error .. unable to copy
>OS2.2\PRINT01.SY_ :(
>
>Subsequent attempts to go forward and resume were frustrated by an hour long
>delay "preparing" the system for update followed by a SYS-3175. Attempts to
>backout failed similarly.
>What does it do during "preparing" the system - go off and meditate ?
>
>The only way I was able to recover was to delete the archive files and all
>evidence that CSF had ever been run. Then rerunning the fixpack worked fine.
>
>I can't help feeling that being unable to copy a measly printer driver should
>not be an immediate fatal error. I guess it retried the read before giving up
>the ghost. But it was particularly irritating that CSF was unable to pick up
>the thread afterwards. Has anyone else seen this problem ?
>
>Regards,
>Martin Brown
>

Do you have a writeable C: drive ? see the thread on "backing out
from fixpack 12" where Mr Spalten was discovering the readme 
about a c: drive and indeed, the whole 're-run the csf operation' has 
gone slightly bonkers. You may have been bitten by the history-
file-in-the-wrong-place newly discovered bug.

--
hrad ngravvd

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 05:52:20
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: OS2 FixPak's Install all or just latest?

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <383A740E.59BDA1EA@pandora.be>, on 11/23/99 
   at 12:01 PM, Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be> said:


>Lorne Sunley wrote:

>> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:14:49, Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > My SERVICE.LOG indicates the attempt to archive fails. I
>> > tried several times. Since the installer apparently provides no option
>> > to not archive, I can get nowhere. There is about 170 Mb free on the F:\
>> > boot drive where archives existed before I deleted them. The installer
>> > failed to indicate inadequate free space. CHKDSK reports no errors. I
>> > found no help on the CD. What do I do next?
>>
>> First clue, you deleted the archives....
>>
>> The error is occuring because some other files
>> established by the fixpack say that there ARE archives.
>>
>> The readme file tells you what files to delete to get around
>> this problem.

>I recently had a problem with resume/backout after a very rare
>uncorrected read error which occurred in CSF 1.41 FSERVICE copying the
>crucial file "PRINT01.SY_"  ;-)
>It panicked with  CSF-0239 CSF Fatal error .. unable to copy
>OS2.2\PRINT01.SY_ :(

>Subsequent attempts to go forward and resume were frustrated by an hour
>long delay "preparing" the system for update followed by a SYS-3175.
>Attempts to backout failed similarly.
>What does it do during "preparing" the system - go off and meditate ?

>The only way I was able to recover was to delete the archive files and
>all evidence that CSF had ever been run. Then rerunning the fixpack
>worked fine.

>I can't help feeling that being unable to copy a measly printer driver
>should not be an immediate fatal error. I guess it retried the read
>before giving up the ghost. But it was particularly irritating that CSF
>was unable to pick up the thread afterwards. Has anyone else seen this
>problem ?

I got hit with it once too.  Took the same work around.

Roland

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From: fisa@jet.uk                                       24-Nov-99 09:25:10
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: WSEB  BLUES

From: filippo sartori <fisa@jet.uk>


Tim Stephen wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:57:42 +0000, filippo sartori <fisa@jet.uk> wrote:
> >
> >3) 3COM nic driver traps os2 during boot on DOSCALLS
>
> I had this problem on WSEB myself last week.  Switched to a different
> nic.  However, on a different WSEB install earlier this past summer
> the same 3COM driver (enlk3 family) loaded fine.  There must be a
> hardware dependency.
>
> Tim Stephen
> CIOS

Yes a 3c5x9 NIC did that !
I hope that a 100 base T nic 3c59x will work.

Filippo

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From: hellwig@exp.bessy.de                              24-Nov-99 10:57:27
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: I cant Install Warp 4   HELP !!!!

From: Chris Hellwig <hellwig@exp.bessy.de>

Hi,

When the OS/2 Logo in the upper left corner appears appears during boot, 
(after Bios msgs.): Press ALT-F2. This will show the drivers loading, 
which will give you an idea, which driver made teh trouble.

Bye
  Chris


jonas persson schrieb:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I have a ACER TRAVELMATE 517TE notebook.
> When I try to install OS/2 WARP 4 it just hangs after
> inserted 2:nd floppy. It hangs after a while with that blue "WARP"
> logo-screen still on. Seems it cant access the hard-drive or something
> like that.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?  How to solve this?
> 
> Please email me if you have any suggestions at  jonas@ipab.se
> 
> Thanks,
> Jonas Persson

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 05:36:09
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <383a2e49$2$qnivqjrv$mr2ice@news.nvcr1.bc.wave.home.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 06:04 AM, "gH" <nospamless@home.com> said:

>We will be testing the board to see if its AC97 sound system can be used
>under OS/2...

Be sure to test it under FP12 as well, since that was the last great kiss
off from IBM.

Roland

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 05:46:23
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <383A737C.CDDBFFA0@please.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 10:59 AM, Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com> said:



>yyyc186@flashcom.net wrote:

>> Personally I would ditch the IDE products and go full SCSI.  My
>> workstation at home runs a SIIG SCSI adapter which supports SCSI-1 through
>> Wide Scsi.  I put a pair of Wide SCSI drives (IBM and Quantum with mated
>> RPM's  This is important!  Make certain all your drives spin the same
>> speed.)  My tape drive, Syjet, and some older drives went into an external
>> case on the SCSI-2 chain.

>Yeah ! I am SCSI lover too. Unfortunatedly the SCSI harddisks are still
>2.5times more expensive than their IDE counterparts (same RPM, cache,
>access time might be 0.5ms lower), so I stick with IDe harddisks (only
>one per IDE channel). Everything else should be SCSI (orb drive, cdrom,
>cdwriter, etc...). If you have the money, Adaptec controllers are a must
>(especially if it's your first SCSI controller: they come with a fine
>manual and software (even for NT !!)). Otherwise go for Advansys/Iwill.

Personally I have found no SCSI controllers worse than Adaptec.  I refuse
to buy any product which comes bundled with an Adaptec controller because
the vendor obviously doesn't care about their customer.  Look for SIIG, or
BusLogic.

Roland

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 05:58:12
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <383B03CC.B99A028F@opera.no>, on 11/23/99 
   at 10:14 PM, Bj rn Vermo <bv@opera.no> said:

>Wim Wauters wrote:

>>
>> Well, I live in the UK, and also a bit in Belgium. And comparable drives
are 2.5times more
>> expensive because they happen to have a SCSI interface. It's just product
marketing in my
>> opinion.

>That is extreme! But I guess that, since it is a big market, prices of
>high-volume items can be brought down more than in a smaller market.

>> > Nobody makes low-reliability SCSI drives,
>>
>> Ever heard of the Seagate Medalist ?? (aka "dead chicken") I had 5 of those 
pieces of sh*t.
>>

>OH - I forgot about those. And there is also Quantum, who seem to prefer
>speed over reliability in their ATA-drives and do not know the first
>thing about SCSI, so they are both "slow" and unreliable.
>The more expensive Seagate drives are usually OK (I still have an old
>40MB ST-506 type which works), but I have never heard about a long-lived
>Quantum.

>> The two IDE ones outlived the SCSI ones !! (4 years in stead of 2 years).
Seagate is still
>> selling them in both SCSI and IDE flavor.

>Tough. My old NEC 150MB 5" full-height SCSI-1 drive recently failed
>after almost ten years of continous use. The 9-year old 350MB drive is
>still operational.

typically I buy only Quantum drives.  I have only had one cook in all the
years of buying them and that one died along with a lot of friends due to
a static problem in the office.  Quantum bought DEC's disk manufacturing
facilities after DEC got everything working correctly some years ago. 
They were a Godsend to a platform which had only Segate as its
"alternative" disk supplier for a long time.  I do now own one IBM SCSI
running the same RPM as another Quantum drive inside my workstation.  They
fly!

Roland


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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 06:04:19
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <flE_3.99463$YB4.3667046@typ12.nn.bcandid.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 10:14 PM, DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue) said:

>  Hello all,

>  I've had the high end SCSI (for there time period) of Quantum, Seagate,
>IBM, and Micropolis.  One Micropolis 4GB died 1 year+4 days due to
>spindle trouble. It had to go to the company instead of ...Dirt Cheap
>Drives(?).  I was backed  up and barely missed a beat.  4 weeks of living
>in 3.5 GB after nearly 8 was difficult at first; that was my 'new' boot
>drive.  Now the Cheeta 18GB and 9GB carry those loads.

>  I've found that SCSI vs. mass interface of the day is about $100 USA
>more  expensive per device.  But I do have lots of SCSI devices, all
>legacy drives and an old Exabyte 5GB tape drive still work with the brand
>new system. Upgrades were merely a switch of the cables, a new boot
>partition (sometimes) and I was off and running.  I don't partition as
>much as most people seem to. Once I've made drive its usually partitioned
>for life.  None of the drives from any maker have died, save the
>Micropolis.  All were space heaters for their day and I've had to plan on
>extra fans and cooling issues.  Part of the joy of building your system.

>  Where SCSI shines, IMHO, is its support for multiple devices per line,
>and disconnect while processing.  Any decent OS that made use of
>multitasking or multiprocessing can use the power of a SCSI device. 
>Microsoft DOS, Win 9X are basically single tasking OSs that couldn't
>really make use of a set of SCSI devices anyway.  NT can and usually does
>have good drives. The so called alternate OSs that have been around
>longer than the Microsoft equivalents used these devices because they
>were smarter that other  devices.  The same concept goes for WinModems,
>WinPrinters, and os on. For some, the simlicity and lower cost is more
>important. For others, high speed and full system utilization is more
>important.  For me, the price has been well worth it.

>  Today there are 19 SCSI devices hanging off my system.  Only two were
>bought with the new system.  All the others are legacy. I even had to
>through all my ISA cards out for the new system.  The SCSI devices work
>as good, if not better than before.  SCSI was one of the great transfer
>methods that still has room to grow with.  Now if scanner makers would
>listen to that I'ld buy one of those too.

SCSI scanners have been in existence for years.  I have one gathering dust
since I bought a digital camera that records JPG direct to floppy.

Roland

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 24-Nov-99 11:04:13
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: wrapping trials

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
> you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
> characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
> most well-informed opinions...
> 
> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

Sorry about that.
I checked my settings, and netscape thought it was wrapping
at 72 characters. I've put it down a bit (60 characters
now), But as I'm typing this it seems it still isn't right.

Why do even OS/2 users need to run a windos port (sigh!) ?

OS/2 forever !

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From: cornelis.no@spam.vanbemmel.com                    24-Nov-99 12:04:11
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Help for Plextor RW

From: "Cornelis van Bemmel" <cornelis.no@spam.vanbemmel.com>

rhein114@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:81ecsc$17k$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Did anybody ever use Plextor CD-ROM or Plextor PXW4220R/PXW8220R
> all SCSI under Warp 4.0.

Yes, I use a Plextor 32x CD-ROM and a Plextor PXW4220R SCSI under Warp 4.0

Regards,
Cornelis


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From: prather@infi.net                                  24-Nov-99 13:06:09
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

In message <81f1ih$ojn$5@dagger.ab.videon.ca> - larso@commodore.
(Lars P Ormberg) writes:
:>
:>As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Jerry Prather write:
:>> (Lars P Ormberg)12 Nov 1999 14:32:19 GMT writes:
:>
:>> :>If another company doesn't enter into a partnership with you, you can
:>> :>withhold things.  Like sales.
:>> 
:>> Good grief!  I thought this kind of thing was settled back when
:>> Lester Maddox was told he _had_ to sell his chicken dinners to
:>> blacks because it was "open to the public".
:>
:>On the converse side, would you force Lester Maddox to eat at restaurant A
:>because the owner was black?
:>
:>If you think that kind of forcing is idiotic, how can you gladly accept the
:>flipside?
:>
:>>                                                  Are you trying to
:>> tell me that M$ is not open to the public? 
:>
:>"Open to the public" is a farce.  A person's property should only be open to
:>whomever they want it to be open for...likewise, only received by those who
:>wish to receive it.

Being a rock hard conservative, politically, I'd like to agree
with you.  But we have this little problem with laws and
government.  Until we manage to get out from under the burden of
an overweaning government, we have to live with those laws.

The problem with M$ is that they are not living by those laws. 
M$ _is_ forcing me to "eat at their restaurant".  I have to buy
their fried chicken/windows even though I immediately do a Format
C: when I get home.   ...and just try to get your money back when
you tell them that you don't want it!  This is what is in
restraint of trade - I don't have a choice!

Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net

"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
					- Me (circa 1998)

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 24-Nov-99 11:23:27
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Bjrn Vermo wrote:
> 
> That is extreme! 
I'll pass the message ;-)
> 
> > > Nobody makes low-reliability SCSI drives,
> >
> > Ever heard of the Seagate Medalist ?? (aka "dead chicken") I had 5 of
those >pieces of sh*t.
> 
> OH - I forgot about those. And there is also Quantum, who seem to prefer
speed >over reliability
Finally somebody confirms my suspicions about Quantum,
thanks !
> in their ATA-drives and do not know the first thing about SCSI, so they are
both > "slow" and unreliable.
Yep, I can confirm their "Gee, let's run our IDE interface
on the SCSI bus" attitude. HP seems to do that as well with
their CD writers.


> > The two IDE ones outlived the SCSI ones !! (4 years in stead of 2 years). 
> > Seagate is still
> > selling them in both SCSI and IDE flavour.
> 
> Tough. My old NEC 150MB 5" full-height SCSI-1 drive recently failed after
almost > ten years of
> continuous use. The 9-year old 350MB drive is still operational.
 Great ! The oldest I have is an IDE Seagate  Medalist of 5
years !! Turns out I have (had) six medalists in total. They
seek me out it seems.
In fact I couldn't believe I had six so I pulled it out (it
sits in a tray), and guess what: it doesn't boot now
(G******d). Time to get the boot floppies out !

OS/2 forever !

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From: csaba_r@my-deja.com                               24-Nov-99 11:42:29
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: ATX motherboards

From: csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly)

djohnson@isomedia.com (David T. Johnson) wrote in
<383A9D39.935BFC44@isomedia.com>: 

>
[snip]
>
>What he means is when you do a shutdown from warpcenter and the system
>says 'It is now safe to...'  The warp center shutdown does not do an APM
>power off on ATX boards.  However, since OS/2 v4 fixpack 6 or
>thereabouts there has been a "power" icon in the "system setup" folder
>which provides APM 1.2 support for either 'suspend' or 'power off.'  

???
I'm at FP11 and the only thing that's visible in "Power" is
Power source : AC powered 
Battery state: No battery

>The OS/2 'power off' feature does an APM 1.2 power off shutdown of the
>operating system and the hardware.

Where is this ?
Csaba
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Nov-99 13:05:04
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: ATX motherboards

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:42:58, csaba_r@my-deja.com (Csaba Raduly) a crit 
dans un message:

> djohnson@isomedia.com (David T. Johnson) wrote in
> <383A9D39.935BFC44@isomedia.com>: 
> 
> >
> [snip]
> >
> >What he means is when you do a shutdown from warpcenter and the system
> >says 'It is now safe to...'  The warp center shutdown does not do an APM
> >power off on ATX boards.  However, since OS/2 v4 fixpack 6 or
> >thereabouts there has been a "power" icon in the "system setup" folder
> >which provides APM 1.2 support for either 'suspend' or 'power off.'  
> 
> ???
> I'm at FP11 and the only thing that's visible in "Power" is
> Power source : AC powered 
> Battery state: No battery
> 
> >The OS/2 'power off' feature does an APM 1.2 power off shutdown of the
> >operating system and the hardware.
> 
> Where is this ?
> Csaba

Do you enable APM in your CONFIG.SYS with this line:?

DEVICE=x:\OS2\BOOT\APM.SYS

plus some systems don't load APM.SYS unless Power Management is enabled in 
the BIOS.


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Buddy

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From: Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de                 24-Nov-99 13:09:24
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Frank Berke)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:42:06, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> 
wrote:

> are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device Driver Site,
> and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).
I can't remember *any* nVidia Chip working fine under OS/2, as for 
your audio card I don't know. AFAIK the only way getting an nVidia 
based video card to work is the SDD (or the slow generic GRADD), but 
even with SDD you can't access refresh rates above 60Hz. Maybe you'll 
get full support with the next beta (must be #10). If you want to 
start with your system immediately you should better look for another 
video card - Matrox is always a good choice, ATI is also partially 
supported.
On a friend's machine the Diamond (V550, 16Megs) didn't perform well 
on a VIA based motherboard Asus P5A. Diamond has a *very* lousy driver
support for its products and the only way we cured the several problem
(OGL Games didn't run in >800x600, unforeseeable crashes of OGL Games 
etc.) was installing the latest version of nVidia's reference driver, 
called Detonator. The drivers on Diamond's web site are still dated 
March 1999!!!!
Elsa, for example, spends much more efforts into its drivers, almost 
any other company except Diamond does so.
I must admit, that you won't encounter such problems, if you're not 
using Windoze, but if you don't why then buy a video card with 32 
Megs? That's the total overkill in OS/2...

Regards,
----------------------------------------------
Frank Berke, Bochum, Germany
http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/frank.berke
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From: prather@infi.net                                  24-Nov-99 13:10:16
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: PCI soundcard for OS/2

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

In message <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-ggxXIdWP96vD@POBLANO> -
l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) writes:
:>
:>Can someone recommend a PCI soundcard that supports full-duplex operation 
:>(for telephony), for which OS/2 drivers are available?
:>
:>I have tried to install a Crystal-based ISA card (TidalWave128) in my 
:>Supermicro system, with the help of people at Cirrus, the manufacturers of 
:>the chipset, but was unable to get it to work. The advice from Cirrus is to
:>use a PCI card, but I do not find any.
:>
:>I have examined Timur's soundcard page, which lists cards that work under 
:>OS/2, mostly with the remark that the card is no longer produced or that 
:>the manufacturer has gone belly up. The page is _seriously_ out of date, so
:>that, e.g. Turtle Beach, for which several cards are listed, informed me 
:>that they no longer make any card with the Crystal chipset, and do not 
:>support OS/2.

I've recently acquired an AOpen AW 230 PCI card that Indelible
Blue assured me was full duplex.  I've found Crystal drivers for
it based on it's chipset.  But I can't endorse it more fully
because I haven't installed it yet.  I guess I'm gonna' have to
find a "round tuit". <G>


Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net

"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
					- Me (circa 1998)

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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          24-Nov-99 08:46:00
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

Jerry Prather wrote:
> 
> In message <81f1ih$ojn$5@dagger.ab.videon.ca> - larso@commodore.
> (Lars P Ormberg) writes:
> :>
> :>As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw Jerry Prather write:
> :>> (Lars P Ormberg)12 Nov 1999 14:32:19 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> :>If another company doesn't enter into a partnership with you, you can
> :>> :>withhold things.  Like sales.
> :>>
> :>> Good grief!  I thought this kind of thing was settled back when
> :>> Lester Maddox was told he _had_ to sell his chicken dinners to
> :>> blacks because it was "open to the public".
> :>
> :>On the converse side, would you force Lester Maddox to eat at restaurant A
> :>because the owner was black?
> :>
> :>If you think that kind of forcing is idiotic, how can you gladly accept
the
> :>flipside?
> :>
> :>>                                                  Are you trying to
> :>> tell me that M$ is not open to the public?
> :>
> :>"Open to the public" is a farce.  A person's property should only be open
to
> :>whomever they want it to be open for...likewise, only received by those
who
> :>wish to receive it.
> 
> Being a rock hard conservative, politically, I'd like to agree
> with you.  But we have this little problem with laws and
> government.  Until we manage to get out from under the burden of
> an overweaning government, we have to live with those laws.
> 
> The problem with M$ is that they are not living by those laws.
> M$ _is_ forcing me to "eat at their restaurant".  I have to buy
> their fried chicken/windows even though I immediately do a Format
> C: when I get home.   ...and just try to get your money back when
> you tell them that you don't want it!  This is what is in
> restraint of trade - I don't have a choice!

The main problem is being obscured by examples that do not apply.  MS
is a MONOPOLY.  Therefore, the laws and rules that apply to businesses
and to the public in general apply to MS with the ADDITION of laws 
governing monopolies.  MS cannot be regarded as a regular citizen or 
business.  They cannot be compared to a restaurant unless the restaurant 
has a monopoly.  

Because MS is a monopoly, there are legal restraints that MS must
observe if they are to stay within the law.  MS apparently violated
laws restraining the business practices of a monopoly.  This is not
a matter of being an economic conservative or libertarian.  It is not
a matter of fairness.  It is a matter of well-established laws.

When a business becomes a monopoly, there are different rules that must 
be obeyed.  

All of the pontificating to the contrary; all of the whining about
being allowed to innovate; all of the complaints of unfairness; all
of the smoke billowing and bellowing from the sycophantic members of 
the media; all of the utterances from the MS PR Machine are meant to
obfuscate these truths as specified in Judge Jackson's Findings of
Fact:

MS is a monopoly.

MS did not obey the rules.

Regards,
Bennie Nelson

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           24-Nov-99 08:57:07
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <81f1dq$ojn$4@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 11/23/99 at 09:36 PM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> When I sell something, I base my price on who is asking.  You will not
> be able to buy a slice of pizza off me at the same rate I'd offer my
> cousin. In fact, I may refuse to sell you the slice at all.

If you did, you would be charged with a crime. A restaurant must serve
everyone regardless of race, creed, color, national origin, etc. The civil
rights laws apply to you as to everyone else.

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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           24-Nov-99 08:58:24
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <81f1ih$ojn$5@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 11/23/99 at 09:39 PM,
   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

> "Open to the public" is a farce.  A person's property should only be
> open to whomever they want it to be open for...likewise, only received
> by those who wish to receive it.

You may consider it a farce. It is the law of the land in the United
States.

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From: martin.brown@pandora.be                           24-Nov-99 13:25:28
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: Re: OS2 FixPak's Install all or just latest?

From: Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be>

hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

> In <383A740E.59BDA1EA@pandora.be>, Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be>
writes:

> >I recently had a problem with resume/backout after a very rare uncorrected
> >read error which occurred in CSF 1.41 FSERVICE copying the crucial file
> >"PRINT01.SY_"  ;-)
> >It panicked with  CSF-0239 CSF Fatal error .. unable to copy
> >OS2.2\PRINT01.SY_ :(
> >
> >Subsequent attempts to go forward and resume were frustrated by an hour
long
> >delay "preparing" the system for update followed by a SYS-3175. Attempts to
> >backout failed similarly.
> >What does it do during "preparing" the system - go off and meditate ?

The question still stands. Why does it take so incredibly long to "prepare"
...

> >The only way I was able to recover was to delete the archive files and all
> >evidence that CSF had ever been run. Then rerunning the fixpack worked
fine.

> Do you have a writeable C: drive ? see the thread on "backing out
> from fixpack 12" where Mr Spalten was discovering the readme
> about a c: drive and indeed, the whole 're-run the csf operation' has
> gone slightly bonkers.

Yes drives C: D: and E: were all writable and had plenty of space.
I didn't think CSF would let you start if there wasn't space on drive C.

> You may have been bitten by the history-
> file-in-the-wrong-place newly discovered bug.

Possibly. I destroyed the possible evidence to make it work.
I didn't notice any files obviously out of place.

Regards,
Martin Brown

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From: cocke@catherders.com                              24-Nov-99 08:29:00
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: Re: winos2 printer queue flush?

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>

One additional note - If I recall, a workaround for this is to press 
ctrl-alt-prtscr - this forces the printer to close.  I may be 
mis-remembering, though.

On 23 Nov 1999 19:51:40 GMT, Doug Bissett wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:33:18, fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) 
>wrote:
>
>> Greetings-
>> 
>> When I work in winos2 and send something to the printer it gets held up
>> until I exit the winos2 app. (protel for windoze 2.8 / notepad) The OS/2
>> print job object shows that the file is printing but nothing actually
>> happens , and there does not seem to be any obvious place to kick it...
>> any hints?
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> 
>> fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA
>> 
>
>The "problem" is that your DOS program is opening the printer for 
>output, but it never closes the printer, until it gets closed when the
>program finishes. (This was a very common, incorrect, thing to do with
>DOS, and it didn't matter, because you could only run one program at a
>time anyway. Windows will just use the printer, and ignores the fact 
>that it is still open, should the situation arise). What happens is 
>that the OS/2 print spooler is waiting for the printer to be closed, 
>which doesn't happen until you end the program.
>
>I am not 100% sure, if this will fix it,  but open the properties for 
>your WinOS2 session (this needs to be done in EVERY WinOS2 program 
>that you start from the OS/2 desktop, if it works)-> Session WIN-OS/2 
>properties-> DOS printer settings-> and set PRINT_SEPARATE_OUTPUT to 
>ON, and PRINT_TIMEOUT to 15 (the second one is the important one). 
>Save all of that, and try again.
>
>If that doesn't work, try Right mouse click the (OS/2) printer icon-> 
>Properties-> Queue options, and make sure Print while spooling is 
>checked.
>
>You may need to experiment with these settings to determine an optimum
>setup for your system. One problem that you can run into, is if the 
>DOS job prints a little bit, waits for a while (the 15 second 
>timeout), then decides to print some more, the OS/2 print spooler may 
>decide that the job is finished, and print the first bit, then print 
>the second bit as a separate job. If that happens, you can set the 
>timeout to a long enough period to eliminate the problem (but that can
>cause other problems), or you can print to a file, then just copy that
>file to the printer (drag and drop should work).
>
>Hope this helps...
>******************************
>From the PC of Doug Bissett
>doug.bissett at attglobal.net
>The " at " must be changed to "@"
>******************************
>

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                      The web page is at http://www.catherders.com

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     24-Nov-99 13:34:21
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: Re: Help me: EA DATA.SF.....245MEG

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:51:37, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
Bissett) wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:12:34, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:47:20, Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Definitely DO NOT delete it: you WILL "break" your whole system.
> > > 
> > > Alan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Mr. Ho Ke Dokie" wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > My EA_DATA.SF file is killing my hard drive.  The damn thing is 245
meg.
> > > > 
> > > > How can I trim it down?
> > 
> > That depends on what the drive is used for.  I have a FAT drive that 
> > contains Windows and Windows software plus some data files.  The EAs 
> > on it are put there by the WP shell when I view a folder (I think they
> > contain the position of the icons or something).  Deleting EA DATA. 
> > SF, which I've done on numerous occasions, didn't hurt a thing.  All 
> > you need to do is run CHKDSK afterwards to remove any references to 
> > EAs.
> > 
> > 
> > Glen D
> > -<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-
> 
> DON'T try that on your OS/2 boot drive!
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

Agreed.  The above method is really only for people who are 100% sure 
what they're doing.

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                24-Nov-99 13:52:10
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: Re: PCMCIA SmartMedia Card Reader

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

I bought an ActionTec Smartmedia to PCMCIA adapter. I got it to work 
with my Desktop "Swapbox" ISA PCMCIA reader. I can now transfer dozens
of images in a matter of seconds from my Olympus Smartmedia to my 
desktop computer.

It wasn't easy though. I found PCMCIA and OS/2's Plug and Play to be 
very poorly documented. It took a lot of searching through online 
documents before I got a combination of CONFIG.SYS entries that made 
it work. Here are a few things that might help.

First, you must have Plug and Play for OS/2 installed. If you are 
using a laptop, then you probably already have that.

Then the key is in the BASEDEV=PCM2ATA.ADD statement in your 
CONFIG.SYS

I found I had to reserve a drive letter using the /MDRV switch.
My statement looks like this -

BASEDEV=PCM2ATA.ADD /S:1 /MDRV:1 /!DM

/S: tells it that my reader has one slot (it has two, I'll explain why
I do this in a minute).

/MDRV:1 tells it to reserve 1 drive letter for mounting.

I forget what /!DM was for.

After that, when I plug in the card, it shows up in my Plug and Play 
for PCMCIA application. I then run ATAMNT2 (should be in your Plug and
Play folder) and assign a drive letter to the card. It then works like
a hard drive.

Once set up, it is easier than it sounds. I set ATAMNT2 to launch 
automatically when the card is plugged in, so all I do is plug in the 
card, select the drive letter, and drag and drop the images.

Each slot, and each reserved drive (from /MDRV:1) reserves a drive 
letter, pushing my CD-R drive letter further back. since I only use my
desktop reader for my camera flash, I didn't see the need to waste 4 
drive letters (two slots and two reserved drive), so I told it I have 
one slot and need one extra drive. I have not found a away to get the 
CD-R to grab a drive letter ahead of the PCMCIA services - maybe if I 
juggled the CONFIG.SYS entries, but it's not that big a deal to me.

I'd like to not have to reserve an extra drive letter for "mounting". 
I wish I could just plug the card in and use it on the drive letter 
that the PCMCIA slot ALREADY claimed - but I never got it to work like
that.

Here is a page that I found most helpful from IBM's online Redbooks -

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/uguide/600/c79ehm24.htm

Scroll down and it explains the CONFIG.SYS entries and their switches.

Good luck,

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]


On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:13:42, domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)
wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:51:38, swansona@fastwave.net wrote:
> 
> > 	Anyone know anything about such a thing?  Something that works under 
> > OS/2?  I'm looking for an easy way to get photos from an Olympus 450Z 
> > into my laptop.


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From: dwhawk@southwind.net                              24-Nov-99 14:27:28
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: call me a dope           

From: dwhawk@southwind.net (Don Hawkinson)

admin@hotmail.com wrote

a> I know you can do it but I can't find it in the online docs.  I
a> can't  find anything there anyway.
a> 
a> How do I toggle between a full screen and windowed dos session?

Edmond ,

One of OS/2's best kept secrets is that the online help will allow
wildcard searches. When you just enter plain text in the search field,
it appears that OS/2 only checks the index.  Using a wildcard forces
OS/2 to search all of the help file.

To find what you wanted, you don't even need to use a wildcard. Enter
key as the search word and then select "key assignments" , then 'window
keys'.

ALT-HOME is the key combination you wanted.


Don Hawkinson , author of CCA, DH-Grep-PM,
PMStripper, Pastry Box, and DH_ClipSave/2
http://www2.southwind.net/~dwhawk
dwhawk@southwind.net

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From: scalisi@tin.it                                    24-Nov-99 13:39:00
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 14:28:15
Subj: Re: Which printer do YOU use?

From: scalisi@tin.it

In <38378C9E.9831CAA4@earthlink.net>, on 11/21/99
   at 07:09 AM, Dale Erwin <erwintech@earthlink.net> said:



>Nelson and Satasha Williams wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend a good inkjet that they currently use with Warp 4?
>> I'm currently looking at the Canon BJC-5000, Epson Stylus-660, Lexmark
>> 3200, and the HP 812C.  Now, I haven't found any drivers for any of
>> these in the Device Driver pack, so does anyone have any other
>> suggestions for which printer to get if not one of these?
>> 
>> Nelson
>> matt196@mindspring.com
>> 
>> PS - I think anything would be an improvement from the Canon BJC-210 I
>> currently have.
>> 
>> --
>> Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation or distribution of
>> this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message,
>> be forewarned that I am not responsible for any harm you may encounter
>> as a result.

>I am using a very inexpensive Epson Stylus Color 440.  The OMNI driver was
>updated just last month to include this relatively new printer as well as
>some others.  The updated OMNI driver can be found at:

>http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/index.htm

I am very happy with Lexmark Z51: is fast and has drivers for win3, win9x,
OS/2.

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Antonio(Nino) Scalisi           scalisi@tin.it
at 13:39(+0100, relative to GMT) on Wednesday, 24 Nov 1999
Using MR/2 ICE v2.00  Reg: #20729.
Under ---> OS/2 WARP 4 rev.9.036 (fixpack 12)
Java ver.  1.1.8  build 19991026
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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                24-Nov-99 07:13:15
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Re: Fixpack 42

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <Qog_3.85791$it.1942617@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>,
alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:28:59 -0600, Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>> Tinkering with the method that the FixTool determines what level your
>> machine is at, and therefore what gets laid down may cause problems in
>> the future. If you understand what is in a FP, and look closely at it,
>> you will see directories. Those directories contain files specific for
>> versions of OS/2. The OS2.1 contains all the 'common' files, and then
>> specific individial files are put into the other directories. Depending
>> on what is contained, you might have an unbootable system.
>>
>> IBM will not support a 'transformed' system that doesn't have the
>> correct SYSLEVEL file in it.
>>
>> There is also no guarantee that what works today will work on the next
>> FP. You are on your own, and you could experience problems that might
>> require a re-install.
>
>Well, I did say it wasn't supported.  :)
>
>I should also have said (and will add to this now) that I have not
>tried this REXX script myself.
>
>I _did_ try making the requisite change to my SYSLEVEL file, with the
>idea that I might want to try installing "new" fixpaks later.  However,
>once I did this, FixPak 40 wouldn't install, except the MMOS2 portion.
>(It said, no products to service.)
>

FP40 is the LAST fixpak for Warp 3.0 base... In order to jump to a higher
FixPak, you have to modify the syslevel in \os2\install and \mmos2\install.
Also check for LOGS*.OS2 and LOGF*.OS2 in both mentioned directories...




>So I backed out the SYSLEVEL change and am now relatively happy on FP 40.
>
>Other people have reported that this works, though, so I thought I'd
>mention it to the original poster...
>
>(Incidentally, don't FP 41 and 42 introduce a couple of minor Y2K fixes?)
>

Yep... They do.

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From: thaley@bluechiptechnology.co.uk                   24-Nov-99 18:06:04
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Can I still buy OS/2 Warp Connect v3.0 ?

From: "Tony Haley" <thaley@bluechiptechnology.co.uk>

Help!

We are being told by our supplier that we cannot buy OS/2 Warp Connect v3.0
(Blue spine, IBM P/N 07H9910) anymore.

We have to use this version.

Can anyone help point me in the direction of a reliable supplier who can
deliver this?

All advice appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Tony Haley
Blue Chip Technology Ltd
UK


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     24-Nov-99 18:51:18
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Re: Help me: EA DATA.SF.....245MEG

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:38:32, goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie) wrote:

> 
> 
> My EA_DATA.SF file is killing my hard drive.  The damn thing is 245 meg.
> 
> How can I trim it down?
>  

245 meg is pretty big. The easiest way to "fix" that, is to back up 
the whole drive, format it, then restore the data. Be sure to use an 
OS/2 backup/restore program, so it will save the needed EAs properly. 
(Don't use one of those backup programs that just makes an image of 
the drive).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  24-Nov-99 20:05:13
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:00:35, ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) 
wrote:

> In article <383beef4$4$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>
> 	   bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com "Bob Germer" writes:
> 
> > On <81f1dq$ojn$4@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 11/23/99 at 09:36 PM,
> >    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
> >
> > > When I sell something, I base my price on who is asking.  You
> > > will not be able to buy a slice of pizza off me at the same
> > > rate I'd offer my cousin. In fact, I may refuse to sell you
> > > the slice at all.
> >
> > If you did, you would be charged with a crime. A restaurant
> > must serve everyone regardless of race, creed, color, national
> > origin, etc. The civil rights laws apply to you as to everyone
> > else.
> 
> Obviously you North Americans have managed to build a veritable
> paradise-on-earth.  Here in the backward old UK, AFAIK a trader
> can refuse to sell to a person, at whim.  Problems usually only
> start for that trader if the reason for that refusal is given, or
> if illegal/reprehensible discrimination can be proven.
> 
> Or did I misunderstand?  It is so difficult to recognise when a
> Usenet statement refers only to a portion of North America.  ;-)
> 
> Besides, Bob, Lars could easily be doing you a favour in refusing
> to sell you his pizza.  I mean, have you _tasted_ it???

You are probably right. A Swedish pizza probably consists of slices of salt
herring arranged on a knackebrot.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.


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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         24-Nov-99 19:53:17
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,

Roland told me how to find out if I have
a corrupted DLL in the smartsuite dirs, 
I did it but to no avail, it didn't find
any thing corrupted, so how do I get i 
back to a working state, and don't tell 
me to re-install I did it at least 4 
time already (and losing all thedekstop 
folder set-up and my smartmasters).

I can make Word Pro and Organizer to 
work but I also need Approach and 1-2-3 
nad Freelance (the most important one 
are 1-2-3 and approach for the 
administration of the bussiness)

BTW. this is version 1.1 nad Warp is 
running FP12, and they did work 
eversince FP12 got out until last week

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         24-Nov-99 20:00:24
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Re: SysInfo/2 new release is comming soon...

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:17:46, "CUS_ADM" 
<someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

I hope that this time it will work with 
more computer, because the 0038 is just 
stalling on my computer telling that it 
can't open INI-FILE at some adress, and 
I don't even know which INI it requires 
:-(

> Dear Friends!
>     My work is going on. I will try to plase my new version of SysInfo/2 (PM
> selfmade clone of wellknown NU 3.0 for Win 95/NT SysInfo ) into HOBBES soon.
> Version number will be 0.50. Now you can download SysInfo v 0.038
> (ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/system/sysinfo0038.zip)
>     This is a list of enchansements and differences from current (0.038)
> version:
>     1)First page (Total info) is allmost compleate (Dos Support - corrected,
> FixPack&Build Level - added, Multimedia&CDROM - addded, HDDs info - added)
>     2)2nd page (Memory Info) - refresh is added
>     3)Problems with opening of readonly *.INI files that prevent SysInfo/2
> to start - corrected
>     4)Last page (Device tree) - allmost done. Information is shown in Win95
> style and now you can find all info about any device you selected + total
> resource usage summary (IRQ, DMA, Ports, etc.) - also like in Win 95
> 
>     The SysInfo/2 project roadmap is:
>     1) CPU&FPU benchmarks will be added to 1st page (may be, based on
> SysBench source)
>     2) Disk&CDROM benchmarks will be added to 3rd page (may be based on
> diskbench source)
>     3) "Details" buttons will be added to all page (to display, save & print
> information summary in a text form)
>     4) PCI devices will be displayed from PCI helper information, not from
> DevManager, so you will see in Device Tree some PCI devices that is not
> known/not installed in your OS/2 system.
>     5) Command line parameters will be added to use SysInfo in *.cmd files
>     6) MMIO information page will be compleated.
>     7) All help will be written.
> 
>     And also... ;-(( From SysInfo/2 v. 0.50 time limit will be added. And
> from v. 0.90 (I think, after doing step 5) from the roadmap shown above )
> SysInfo/2 will become a shareware program. I think, the price will be smole
> and not become a problem. ;-))
> 
>     Now, I ask you to try my current SysInfo/2
> (ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/system/sysinfo0038.zip) to find some
> bugs not listed in corrected list shown above. I am interesting in testing
> my SysInfo/2 on new CPU (Pentium II >400Mh, Athlon, Pentium III) and on a
> new VideoCards (all that are supported by SDD Beta 9). Please, take part in
> beta testing phase! Taking part in this phase will garantee you a free
> ordering of SysInfo/2 in future.
>     Also you are wellcome to do national translation!
> 
> Best Regards, Alexey Smirnov aka Elf Tingol.
> Please, mail me to: ELF@KROVATKA.RU
> 
> 
> 



//-------------------------
Thank you in advance
Good Luck

Merci a l'avance
Bonne Chance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: saenger@my-deja.com                               24-Nov-99 19:46:28
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Re: PCI soundcard for OS/2

From: Wes Aman <saenger@my-deja.com>

In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-ggxXIdWP96vD@POBLANO>,
  l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:
> Can someone recommend a PCI soundcard that supports full-duplex
operation
> (for telephony), for which OS/2 drivers are available?
>

[snipped]
I have an AOpen AW35 Pro, which uses the Crystal OS/2 drivers.  I notice
from the AOpen Web site that that model must be out of production.  It
appears that the AW230 (as mentioned in the first reply) is similar to
my model.  I've been quite happy with my sound card (and it cost only
~$30 US).
>
> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
>
> E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
> Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    24-Nov-99 20:14:11
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Re: Warp4 fp => Warp3?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Alex Taylor (alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca) wrote:

: OK, now I'm confused.  What is SmartCentre, and what does it have to do
: with the WarpCentre?  Are you saying you can copy SmartCentre to Warp 3,
: and it will provide a "WarpCentre clone"?  I thought we were talking about
: actually copying the WarpCentre itself... ???

	The SmartCentre was the inspiration for the WarpCentre.


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From: mccoy07@attglobal.net                             24-Nov-99 21:00:16
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Re: PCI soundcard for OS/2

From: mccoy07@attglobal.net

In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-ggxXIdWP96vD@POBLANO>, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)
writes:
>Can someone recommend a PCI soundcard that supports full-duplex operation 
>(for telephony), for which OS/2 drivers are available?
>
TRY:
http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?partnum=33L5134&cntry=84
0&lang=en_US
>I have tried to install a Crystal-based ISA card (TidalWave128) in my 
>Supermicro system, with the help of people at Cirrus, the manufacturers of 
>the chipset, but was unable to get it to work. The advice from Cirrus is to
>use a PCI card, but I do not find any.
>
>I have examined Timur's soundcard page, which lists cards that work under 
>OS/2, mostly with the remark that the card is no longer produced or that 
>the manufacturer has gone belly up. The page is _seriously_ out of date, so
>that, e.g. Turtle Beach, for which several cards are listed, informed me 
>that they no longer make any card with the Crystal chipset, and do not 
>support OS/2.
>
>-------------
>Stan Goodman
>Qiryat Tiv'on
>Israel
>
>E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
>Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
>
>

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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             24-Nov-99 20:41:16
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Re: Can I still buy OS/2 Warp Connect v3.0 ?

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:06:08, "Tony Haley" 
<thaley@bluechiptechnology.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We are being told by our supplier that we cannot buy OS/2 Warp Connect v3.0
> (Blue spine, IBM P/N 07H9910) anymore.

Check Ebay auctions, you'll be able to find copies of Warp Connect at 
competitive prices.

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From: haimann@dmreg.infi.net                            24-Nov-99 15:40:24
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 19:59:02
Subj: Internet connection

From: Terry & Cheryl Haimann <haimann@dmreg.infi.net>

I've messed up my internet connection.  I was trying to set up a home
lan where my os2 box would connect to a linux box.  Well in the process
my system will connect to my isp, but none of my software will now
connect to the internet.  I just get a message saying looking up host. 
I either messed up tcp/ip configuration lan or I messed up MPTS Network
Adapters and Protocall Services.  I am not  looking forward to
reinstalling my os, but that would be my last option!!  I would also
appreciate any documantation of connecting a os2 client to a linux
server.

Thx	Terry

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From: nrennie@ihug.co.nz                                25-Nov-99 11:16:10
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 19:59:02
Subj: Putting an OS/2 HDD into a Win98 machine

From: Nick Rennie <nrennie@ihug.co.nz>

Hi there,
I currently have two computers - one with Win98, one with Win98 & OS/2
on it, on separate hard drives (2 drives, not one partitioned drive).
I want to move the OS/2 drive to the Win98 only machine (its the newer
one) so I can sell the other computer.  I need OS/2 for some work
programs and having it on a separate drive to Win98 is really a must for
me.
Is it possible to just swap the drive over and use a dual boot program
to choose which OS to boot? Can anyone forsee any difficulties I might
have?

Many thanks,
Nick Rennie

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From: burleigh@indiana.edu                              24-Nov-99 17:21:00
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 19:59:02
Subj: Oracle 8 available for OS/2?

From: Frank Burleigh <burleigh@indiana.edu>

I think I remember a post to warpcast some months ago announcing the
availability of Oracle's db server for OS/2, but now I can't find such a
post.  I'm a developer and would like to download a copy, in the same
way I can download it for win, netware or linux.  Thanks.
-- 
Frank Burleigh
Indiana University School of Law
Bloomington, IN 47405
burleigh@indiana.edu 812-855-9170

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  24-Nov-99 22:23:00
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 19:59:02
Subj: Re: PCI soundcard for OS/2

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:00:33, mccoy07@attglobal.net wrote:

> In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-ggxXIdWP96vD@POBLANO>, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)
writes:
> >Can someone recommend a PCI soundcard that supports full-duplex operation 
> >(for telephony), for which OS/2 drivers are available?
> >
> TRY:
http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?partnum=33L5134&cntry=84
0&lang=en_US

Many thanks; an interesting page. Perhaps the most notable detail is that 
it makes no mention whatever of available drivers and the OSs supported. In
view of IBM's "deep commitment" to OS/2, it would be risky to make 
assumptions about this. Anyway, the word is that AOpen makes a good card 
(much cheaper than the IBM offering), and that the one to get is the ACE30,
AW320PCI. That card uses a chip that has hardware wavetable synthesis 
(which the more expensive IBM card does not), which doesn't work with the 
OS/2 driver, but would be a nice touch in a multi-OS system. The AOpen 
cards are available from Indelible Blue.

> >I have tried to install a Crystal-based ISA card (TidalWave128) in my 
> >Supermicro system, with the help of people at Cirrus, the manufacturers of 
> >the chipset, but was unable to get it to work. The advice from Cirrus is to
> >use a PCI card, but I do not find any.
> >
> >I have examined Timur's soundcard page, which lists cards that work under 
> >OS/2, mostly with the remark that the card is no longer produced or that 
> >the manufacturer has gone belly up. The page is _seriously_ out of date, so
> >that, e.g. Turtle Beach, for which several cards are listed, informed me 
> >that they no longer make any card with the Crystal chipset, and do not 
> >support OS/2.
> >
> >-------------
> >Stan Goodman
> >Qiryat Tiv'on
> >Israel
> >
> >E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
> >Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
> >
> >
> 

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

E-mail sent to l_luciano@da.mob will, of course, not reach me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.


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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 19:27:23
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-FdU7zY6GwuMT@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>, on 11/24/99

   at 07:53 PM, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) said:

Try running a checkini utlity to check the user and system ini files.  You
could have some dead entries.

Otherwise, backout FP12.

Roland

>Hi guys,

>Roland told me how to find out if I have
>a corrupted DLL in the smartsuite dirs, 
>I did it but to no avail, it didn't find
>any thing corrupted, so how do I get i 
>back to a working state, and don't tell 
>me to re-install I did it at least 4 
>time already (and losing all thedekstop 
>folder set-up and my smartmasters).

>I can make Word Pro and Organizer to 
>work but I also need Approach and 1-2-3 
>nad Freelance (the most important one 
>are 1-2-3 and approach for the 
>administration of the bussiness)

>BTW. this is version 1.1 nad Warp is 
>running FP12, and they did work 
>eversince FP12 got out until last week

>//-------------------------
>Thank you in advance

>Merci a l'avance

>Martin

>http://205.237.57.73/

>ICQ #48552954
-- 
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".illegaltospam"
                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
                            For a Microsoft free univers
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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           25-Nov-99 00:26:08
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:51:09, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
Racette) wrote:

> I tried to re-install to whole suite, 
> after the re-installation everything was
> working fine, I had to re-boot, so I did
> a normal shutdown and all three program 
> began to behave as before I re-installed

Did you have the installer modify CONFIG.SYS?  Specifically, are the 
correct entries in your PATH and LIBPATH statements?  

--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      25-Nov-99 01:12:04
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Re: OFFLINE NEWSREADER?

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 Oh, my.  Well, there isn't anything particularly original
 about the sm^H^H Rembrandts I download (for my brother) and
 (alas, perhaps, for those portrayed in them) I believe
 they're covered by fair use.  Or rather, the subjects of
 these works of um art surrendered the use of their likeness
 and creative inspiration to the vagaries of the marketplace,
 it's safe to say.  Not to mention the moment, bless their
 hearts.

Well, the comment was only a joke (as I myself recently was guilty of breaking
the copyright laws by quoting the Byte article without asking first).

But to be serious I can't really answer to in which case it's exactly legal or
not legal to distribute such pictures without permission, but (without being
too well traversed in all of the copyright laws) I would suspect that most
photos (regardless if it's scanned from a PlayBoy or a sailing magazines) and
most of the artwork (including paintings), even if it's in a digitized form,
very likely has enough originality to be protected by the copyright acts.

Perhaps someone who knows this much better can elaborate more about it and
give a better answer if you (or anyone else) is interested in this?

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.5: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K 
:)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn     
home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      25-Nov-99 01:12:05
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Re: wrapping trials

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Wim Wauters [Sirius Cybernetics Corporation] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 > Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
 > you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
 > characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
 > most well-informed opinions...

 Sorry about that.
 I checked my settings, and netscape thought it was wrapping
 at 72 characters. I've put it down a bit (60 characters
 now), But as I'm typing this it seems it still isn't right.

Not at all -- it seems OK.
 
 Why do even OS/2 users need to run a windos port (sigh!) ?

It hasn't really *anything* to do with Windows, but *everything* to do with
using the Netscape browser as a (IMPO) really poor excuse for news reader.

Get a real one instead (dedicated for the task). OS/2 has a lot of them.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.5: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K 
:)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn     
home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn/kw

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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    25-Nov-99 00:56:02
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Re: Putting an OS/2 HDD into a Win98 machine

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

Nick Rennie <nrennie@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>Hi there,
>I currently have two computers - one with Win98, one with Win98 & OS/2
>on it, on separate hard drives (2 drives, not one partitioned drive).
>I want to move the OS/2 drive to the Win98 only machine (its the newer
>one) so I can sell the other computer.  I need OS/2 for some work
>programs and having it on a separate drive to Win98 is really a must for
>me.
>Is it possible to just swap the drive over and use a dual boot program
>to choose which OS to boot? Can anyone forsee any difficulties I might
>have?

You can do it if the two computers have identical hardware, but otherwise
you're likely to have big headaches: things like drive letter mismatches,
device drivers for the wrong devices, etc.  Try it by all means, but
be prepared to change strategies if something goes wrong.  My guess is
that you'll actually be better off re-installing OS/2 after putting
in the new drive.

One thing to watch out for is that you're going to have to install
Boot Manager (or an equivalent), and most likely you're going to have
to install it on the drive that currently holds Win98 (because both
Boot Manager and Win98 insist on being on the first drive in your
system, unless your BIOS offers the option of booting from D:).  If
that drive is already broken up into partitions then you won't have
much trouble re-arranging the partitions to allow the addition of
a Boot Manager partition.  If, on the other hand, the Win98 disk is
one huge partition, then you either need to configure using Partition
Magic, or (probably better) you'll need to re-install Win98 after
formatting and installing the OS/2 Boot Manager.

You mentioned "dual boot" above.  In the OS/2 terminology, dual boot
is different from having a boot manager; and it's irrelevant to you,
because it requires having both operating systems on the C: partition.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: andy_26@my-deja.com                               25-Nov-99 01:37:12
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: AGP ATI Rage query

From: Andy Iseli <andy_26@my-deja.com>

Hello,

I have a Gateway Config 3 (PIII-450) with an ATI Rage 128 (on the AGP
slot). For whatever reason I need to put Warp 4 on it and looking at
ATI's website, I am told that ATI does not have (nor do they intend to
write) and drivers for this graphics card.

Since my experience with OS/2 in a corporate environment is not the
most comprehensive, I do not want to start experminenting with 200
drivers before I find out it won't work. I am wondering if anyone knows
if there is a compatible driver which may work with this card?

If not I suppose I will just have to swap out the vid card for one that
works and put the 128 in an NT box. And NT will only slow the card
down :)

Thanks,
A. Iseli


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: lazaga1@attglobal.net                             24-Nov-99 18:37:20
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: Re: AGP ATI Rage query

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@attglobal.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 25.11.99, 1:37:25, Andy Iseli <andy_26@my-deja.com> wrote regarding 
AGP ATI Rage query:


> Hello,

> I have a Gateway Config 3 (PIII-450) with an ATI Rage 128 (on the AGP
> slot). For whatever reason I need to put Warp 4 on it and looking at
> ATI's website, I am told that ATI does not have (nor do they intend to
> write) and drivers for this graphics card.

> Since my experience with OS/2 in a corporate environment is not the
> most comprehensive, I do not want to start experminenting with 200
> drivers before I find out it won't work. I am wondering if anyone 
knows
> if there is a compatible driver which may work with this card?

> If not I suppose I will just have to swap out the vid card for one 
that
> works and put the 128 in an NT box. And NT will only slow the card
> down :)

> Thanks,
> A. Iseli


> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

I am using the SciTech (www.scitechsoft.com) gradd drivers 
successfully with the ATI Rage 128 on a K6-2-450.  In this case beta 
version 6 since it works just fine:)  As always, the typical warning 
about beta stuff... use at your own risk, but it works for me.

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@attglobal.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com



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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     25-Nov-99 03:29:20
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: Re: SysInfo/2 new release is comming soon...

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:17:46 +0300, CUS_ADM wrote:

->    The SysInfo/2 project roadmap is:
->    1) CPU&FPU benchmarks will be added to 1st page (may be, based on
->SysBench source)

I do not think that you can both base your benchmark code on the Sysbench
source _and_ make it shareware. The original source was donated to the
OS/2 community by Henrik Harmsen on the understanding that it be freeware.


Sorry.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: jbilbro@redrivernet.com                           24-Nov-99 19:32:13
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: Re: Software support for the Epson Stylus-recommendation request

From: jbilbro@redrivernet.com (John Bilbro)

Thanks for all the input. I have now installed the Oct version of OMNI.EXE
from IBM's DDPAK site and things seem to be workin well although I have not
had time for very high resolution tests yet.
--
John Bilbro                           Team OS2, NMRA, NRA, AARP
Sheridan, Wyoming                     Lake Havasu City, Arizona
jbilbro@wavecom.net  (May-Oct)        jbilbro@redrivernet.com (Nov-Apr)

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               25-Nov-99 03:21:29
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:30:00, "David T. Johnson" 
<djohnson@isomedia.com> wrote:
| Speaking of Ziff-Davis,
| I saw yesterday that Vulcan Ventures, owned by Paul Allen (one of the
| co-founders of Microsoft and a very large Microsoft stockholder) just
| purchased a controlling interest in ZDTV. 

No, they *bought* ZDTV. As has been mentioned elsewhere, the various 
divisions in ZD are on the block. Some have already been sold to other
ventures, such as ZD Market Intelligence and a ZD Training division 
that I didn't even know existed. Paul Allen's Vulcan Ventures was 
already an investor in Softbank, which owns more technology firms than
Carter has little liver pills. (Softbank also owns or has a 
controlling interest in Kingston Memory, for instance.)

{Full disclosure: I am an employee of Sm@rt Reseller, part of 
Inter@ctive Enterprises, which is owned by ZD, which is owned by 
Softbank.}

And, for the record, none of that has ever affected the way I do my 
job -- which does include writing about OS/2 products, when the 
opportunity presents itself.

--Esther Schindler
  Technology Editor, Sm@rt Reseller, http://www.zdnet.com/sr
  and also -- in her spare time -- program chair of the Phoenix OS/2 
Society, the world's largest OS/2 user group

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From: nospam@nowhere.com                                25-Nov-99 04:02:20
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: Can't run CD player after adding hard drive

From: nospam@nowhere.com  (Steve Myers)

I recently added a new physical hard drive, formatted as one large logical
partition.  It became drive I, and the CD dropped to drive J.

Everything works, except the CD player.  When I try to start it, a message
box appears with the message "The CD device is currently unavilable.
Please try another CD device."  If I press the Help button, the following
message appears, "The CD ROM drive specified iseither not available, or
does not exist.  Enter the application program name followed by a valid
CD ROM drive."

The system is Warp 3 blue box.

In the setting box --

Path and file name: E:\MMOS2\CDPM.EXE

Parameters: CDaudio01

Working directory: E:\MMOS2\SOUNDS


-- Steve Myers

The E-mail addresses in this message are private property.  Any use of them
to  send  unsolicited  E-mail  messages  of  a  commerical  nature  will be
considered trespassing,  and the originator of the message will be  sued in
small claims court in Camden County,  New Jersey,  for the  maximum penalty
allowed by law.

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From: fritzo@humboldt.net                               21-Nov-99 08:31:03
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: <None>

From: fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger)

hello all-

is there an easy way to link two os/2 boxes? as in Laplink, or Norton
Commander link? (warp3 red+BP)

thanks-
fritz
 

fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 24-Nov-99 19:31:04
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: Re: wrapping trials

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com> wrote:

>
>
>Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>> Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
>> you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
>> characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
>> most well-informed opinions...
>> 
>> --
>> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
>> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com
>
>Sorry about that.
>I checked my settings, and netscape thought it was wrapping
>at 72 characters. I've put it down a bit (60 characters
>now), But as I'm typing this it seems it still isn't right.

Not to say your opinions aren't well-informed, Wim -- but it
was Bjrn's posts to which I was referring.  Yours have
always wrapped nicely here.

>Why do even OS/2 users need to run a windos port (sigh!) ?

Oh, I hate to disagree with Martin again (well not really)
but for some uses Netscape/2's newsreader is just fine.  If
you're monitoring say ten newsgroups, I'd use Yarn/Soup or
ProNews, but if you're looking at 50 or 100 or 200,
Netscape's is extremely stable and works quite well, imo.

>OS/2 forever !



-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: haimann@dmreg.infi.net                            24-Nov-99 23:19:01
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: Internet connection

From: Terry & Cheryl Haimann <haimann@dmreg.infi.net>

PPP

Lorne Sunley wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:40:49, Terry & Cheryl Haimann
> <haimann@dmreg.infi.net> wrote:
> 
> > I've messed up my internet connection.  I was trying to set up a home
> > lan where my os2 box would connect to a linux box.  Well in the process
> > my system will connect to my isp, but none of my software will now
> > connect to the internet.  I just get a message saying looking up host.
> > I either messed up tcp/ip configuration lan or I messed up MPTS Network
> > Adapters and Protocall Services.  I am not  looking forward to
> > reinstalling my os, but that would be my last option!!  I would also
> > appreciate any documantation of connecting a os2 client to a linux
> > server.
> >
> 
> The "looking up host" message is usually related to the
> settings for your DNS (Domain Name Server).
> 
> The IP addresses of the DNS are placed in the RESOLV2
> file that lives in \MPTN\ETC The TCP/IP configuration
> notebook has these (the DNS addresses) on the
> "Name Resolution" tab.
> 
> If your routing tables allow you to PING an IP address
> out on the internet, then your problem is probably
> the DNS address settings. After you connect to
> the internet try PING 204.146.81,99 (that's www.ibm.com)
> if that does not work, then the problem is in your
> routing setup.
> 
> If you have a cable modem or ADSL connection
> the setup requirements are different than if you are
> using a PPP (dial-up) connection to your ISP. Which
> one do you have???
> 
> --
> 
> Lorne Sunley

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           25-Nov-99 05:13:03
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: Internet connection

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:40:49, Terry & Cheryl Haimann 
<haimann@dmreg.infi.net> wrote:

> I've messed up my internet connection.  I was trying to set up a home
> lan where my os2 box would connect to a linux box.  Well in the process
> my system will connect to my isp, but none of my software will now
> connect to the internet.  I just get a message saying looking up host. 
> I either messed up tcp/ip configuration lan or I messed up MPTS Network
> Adapters and Protocall Services.  I am not  looking forward to
> reinstalling my os, but that would be my last option!!  I would also
> appreciate any documantation of connecting a os2 client to a linux
> server.
> 

The "looking up host" message is usually related to the
settings for your DNS (Domain Name Server).

The IP addresses of the DNS are placed in the RESOLV2
file that lives in \MPTN\ETC The TCP/IP configuration
notebook has these (the DNS addresses) on the
"Name Resolution" tab.

If your routing tables allow you to PING an IP address
out on the internet, then your problem is probably
the DNS address settings. After you connect to
the internet try PING 204.146.81,99 (that's www.ibm.com)
if that does not work, then the problem is in your
routing setup.

If you have a cable modem or ADSL connection
the setup requirements are different than if you are
using a PPP (dial-up) connection to your ISP. Which
one do you have???

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           25-Nov-99 05:17:27
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: Can't run CD player after adding hard drive

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:02:41, nospam@nowhere.com  (Steve Myers) wrote:

> I recently added a new physical hard drive, formatted as one large logical
partition.  It became drive I, and the CD dropped to drive J.
> 
> Everything works, except the CD player.  When I try to start it, a message
> box appears with the message "The CD device is currently unavilable.
> Please try another CD device."  If I press the Help button, the following
> message appears, "The CD ROM drive specified iseither not available, or
> does not exist.  Enter the application program name followed by a valid
> CD ROM drive."
> 
> The system is Warp 3 blue box.
> 
> In the setting box --
> 
> Path and file name: E:\MMOS2\CDPM.EXE
> 
> Parameters: CDaudio01
> 
> Working directory: E:\MMOS2\SOUNDS
> 

Start up the "Multimedia Setup" program from the
"System Setup" folder. Look at the tab for the
"Compact Disk" and use the -/+ in the top right
hand corner of the page to go to page two. This
page allows you to select the driver letter for the
CD-ROM.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: uno@40th.com                                      25-Nov-99 05:31:00
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: uno@40th.com (uno@40th.com)

Esther Schindler? (esther@bitranch.com?) wrote (25 Nov 1999 03:21:58 GMT):
>And, for the record, none of that has ever affected the way I do my 
>job -- which does include writing about OS/2 products, when the 
>opportunity presents itself.

Here's a near-complete list on OS2 from ES/SR, going back to
March '98 or so:

 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2140718,00.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/issue/0,4537,407550,00.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/breaking/980601/980605l.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2222369,00.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/column/0,4712,396303,00.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2326830,00.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/issues/980720/339060.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2160408,00.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2144900,00.html

 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/breaking/971124/971124e.html
 http://www.zdnet.com/sr/letters/971202a.html

For me, a single, previous issue of os2ezine (can it be saved by
the bell?) had more -useable- stuff regarding OS2.  ES, consider
writing for os2ezine, where you can 'really' write what you think
of OS2 any time you want, rather than just when it presents it-
self.  Besides, I hear they're always looking for talent.  Why
not do them a favor?  Can you spare an article or two a month?

As for Peter Coffee, this thread's subject, he's seems to doing
what Jerry Richnelle did with OS2 -- turning it over and seeing
what falls out.  He'll forget about OS2 soon enough (or, new
subject: Where Has Petter Coffee Been the Past Five Years?).

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           25-Nov-99 05:35:00
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: Internet connection

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

E-Mailed and Posted

The PPP program executes up a "default" route command
for the "gateway/router" address it gets from the ISP 
when it connects.

I think this causes some problems when a "default" route
is also defined for the local LAN TCP/IP setup.

After you are connected to your ISP type netstat -r
in an OS/2 window and see what your defined routes
are. You can use netstat -r > xxx.txt to write it to
a file.

Let me know what the result is and what the "default"
and "net" route settings in your TCP/IP netbook are.

Lorne


On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:19:02, Terry & Cheryl Haimann 
<haimann@dmreg.infi.net> wrote:

> PPP
> 
> Lorne Sunley wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:40:49, Terry & Cheryl Haimann
> > <haimann@dmreg.infi.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > I've messed up my internet connection.  I was trying to set up a home
> > > lan where my os2 box would connect to a linux box.  Well in the process
> > > my system will connect to my isp, but none of my software will now
> > > connect to the internet.  I just get a message saying looking up host.
> > > I either messed up tcp/ip configuration lan or I messed up MPTS Network
> > > Adapters and Protocall Services.  I am not  looking forward to
> > > reinstalling my os, but that would be my last option!!  I would also
> > > appreciate any documantation of connecting a os2 client to a linux
> > > server.
> > >
> > 
> > The "looking up host" message is usually related to the
> > settings for your DNS (Domain Name Server).
> > 
> > The IP addresses of the DNS are placed in the RESOLV2
> > file that lives in \MPTN\ETC The TCP/IP configuration
> > notebook has these (the DNS addresses) on the
> > "Name Resolution" tab.
> > 
> > If your routing tables allow you to PING an IP address
> > out on the internet, then your problem is probably
> > the DNS address settings. After you connect to
> > the internet try PING 204.146.81,99 (that's www.ibm.com)
> > if that does not work, then the problem is in your
> > routing setup.
> > 
> > If you have a cable modem or ADSL connection
> > the setup requirements are different than if you are
> > using a PPP (dial-up) connection to your ISP. Which
> > one do you have???
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Lorne Sunley


--

Lorne Sunley

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From: tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com                          24-Nov-99 23:47:18
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: PCI soundcard for OS/2

From: Timothy Sipples <tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com>

Stan Goodman wrote:
> > >Can someone recommend a PCI soundcard that supports full-duplex operation
> > >(for telephony), for which OS/2 drivers are available?
> > TRY:
http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?partnum=33L5134&cntry=84
0&lang=en_US
> Many thanks; an interesting page. Perhaps the most notable detail is that
> it makes no mention whatever of available drivers and the OSs supported.

Actually, it does.

See:

http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ExecMacro/prodspecs.d2w/report?pa
rtnum=33L5134&merchant_rn=1&priceType=IBM&cntry=840&lang=en_US

for the product specifications.

It's a nice PCI audio adapter which supports OS/2 Warp.

-- 
Timothy Sipples
IBM Network Computing Software
Chicago, Illinois
Web: http://www.satdirect.com/aviation

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      25-Nov-99 06:50:25
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Ken Walter [Solution Technology] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 >Anybody catch Peter Coffee's column a couple of weeks back,
 >"Thin-client economics revive 'dead' OS/2".  Granted, Im not too keen
 >on the calling OS/2 'dead', but seeing anything positive said about
 >OS/2 in a ZD publication was almost shocking enough to give me a
 >heart-attack.
 >
 >If you're interested, it's at:
 >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/columns/0,4351,2377721,00.html
 
 PC Week also said OS/2 failed because it was 16 bit and Win3.1 was 32 
 bit.

That isn't exactly what Peter wrote. He said "Windows 3.x that exploited the
32-bit 386 architecture". You can read it here complete and see for yourself.

Analysis: Jackson's ruling reflects serious misunderstandings
By Peter Coffee, PC Week Online 
November 5, 1999 9:23 PM ET

http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1018027,00.html

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.5: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K 
:)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn     
home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn/kw

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From: TCANDELL@email.msn.com                            24-Nov-99 21:50:24
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: THINKPAD Problem Fixpak 7 and ESS1688 audio

From: "Tony Candell" <TCANDELL@email.msn.com>

My Thinkpad (365XD) crashes whenever the ESS1688 audio drivers load since FP
7 installed.  Everything OK if Config.sys Audio lines are "REM'd" out.  This
is a complete "system is stopped" crash.
Anyone out there with similar problems, solutions??

Thanks

TCandell


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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                25-Nov-99 05:55:24
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

I am using a Diamond Viper V550. The Nvidia GRADD drivers are very
fast and stable, but they have problems running full screen OS/2
sessions and xfree86-os2. Specifically, the mouse cursor vanishes when
run in a full screen session.

Duncan

On 24 Nov 1999 13:09:49 GMT, Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Frank
Berke) wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:42:06, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> 
>wrote:
>
>> are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device Driver Site,
>> and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).
>I can't remember *any* nVidia Chip working fine under OS/2, as for 
>your audio card I don't know. AFAIK the only way getting an nVidia 
>based video card to work is the SDD (or the slow generic GRADD), but 
>even with SDD you can't access refresh rates above 60Hz. Maybe you'll 
>get full support with the next beta (must be #10). If you want to 
>start with your system immediately you should better look for another 
>video card - Matrox is always a good choice, ATI is also partially 
>supported.
>On a friend's machine the Diamond (V550, 16Megs) didn't perform well 
>on a VIA based motherboard Asus P5A. Diamond has a *very* lousy driver
>support for its products and the only way we cured the several problem
>(OGL Games didn't run in >800x600, unforeseeable crashes of OGL Games 
>etc.) was installing the latest version of nVidia's reference driver, 
>called Detonator. The drivers on Diamond's web site are still dated 
>March 1999!!!!
>Elsa, for example, spends much more efforts into its drivers, almost 
>any other company except Diamond does so.
>I must admit, that you won't encounter such problems, if you're not 
>using Windoze, but if you don't why then buy a video card with 32 
>Megs? That's the total overkill in OS/2...
>
>Regards,
>----------------------------------------------
>Frank Berke, Bochum, Germany
>http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/frank.berke
>----------------------------------------------

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           25-Nov-99 06:09:22
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: THINKPAD Problem Fixpak 7 and ESS1688 audio

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:50:49, "Tony Candell" <TCANDELL@email.msn.com> 
wrote:

> My Thinkpad (365XD) crashes whenever the ESS1688 audio drivers load since FP
> 7 installed.  Everything OK if Config.sys Audio lines are "REM'd" out.  This
> is a complete "system is stopped" crash.
> Anyone out there with similar problems, solutions??
> 

There is an updated driver that is supposed to fix this problem.

Take a look at the IBM Device Driver Pak at

http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/multimed/esstechn/index.
htm


--

Lorne Sunley

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From: lennart-remove-@plg.-remove-a.se                  25-Nov-99 07:47:00
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 05:15:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Lennart Gahm" <lennart-remove-@plg.-remove-a.se>

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:05:26 GMT, Stan Goodman wrote:
>You are probably right. A Swedish pizza probably consists of slices of salt
>herring arranged on a knackebrot.

Na, we don't call it pizza.

But slices of (swedish) pickled herring on a knackebrot is really good.
A beer and a snaps makes it perfect.

Raw spiced salmon is also a classic.


I even like Sushi.
Lennart


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From: someone@microsoft.com                             25-Nov-99 10:37:16
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 05:15:15
Subj: Re: SysInfo/2 new release is comming soon...

From: "CUS_ADM" <someone@microsoft.com>

Dear Martin!
    This error mean, that some of your *.NIF files in \IBMCOM\*.* directory
(may be a *.NIF file, that describe your Network Board ) are marked
ReadOnly. You can test my program if you find that *.NIF and correct the
problen.
    Offcourse, in SysInfo v. 0.5 this error message will not popup and my
utility will correct this problem automatically.

Best regards, Alexey Smirnov.

P.S. My EMail is _CASE SENSITIVE_, so you can answer me to elf@krovatka.ru,
or to asmirnov@sendmail.mid.ru



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From: someone@microsoft.com                             25-Nov-99 11:00:03
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 05:15:15
Subj: Re: SysInfo/2 new release is comming soon...

From: "CUS_ADM" <someone@microsoft.com>

Dear friends!
    Due to my mistake and after the mail exchange with Trevor Hemsley
(SysBench author) I want to correct my previously posted message:
Well. My CPU&FPU bench code WILL NOT be based on SysBench code. I'll use
SysBench 0.9.4 source like an example. I think, my bench will be based on
public weightstone&drystone code.

Best regards, Alexey Smirnov.
P.S. My EMail is _CASE SENSITIVE_, so you can answer me to elf@krovatka.ru,
or to asmirnov@sendmail.mid.ru





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From: jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com                          25-Nov-99 08:35:20
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 05:15:15
Subj: Help with Building AMD Athalon Based OS/2 System (Round 2)

From: "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com>

UPDATE:  Thanks to everyone that posted a reply to the newsgroups or my
email on this query for compatibility help with OS/2 Warp 4.

Based on your feedback, I've updated the list.  The only component I'm not
sure of is the Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! Value sound card.  If
anyone knows for certain if this card is supported under Warp, please let me
know.  I'm not too concerned since I have another PC with a SB AWE32 which I
can swap out with the SB Live! card.

Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
AMD 500 or 550 Athalon CPU
Athalon Heatsink/CPU Cooler w/Ball Bearing Fan
Micron 128MB SDRAM - Cas2, 6 layer PCB
In-Win EN7237 Case with Powerman 300 Watt power supply
Alps 3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Matrox G400 AGP Video with 32MB
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! Value
IBM Deskstar 22GXP (13GB Ultra 66)
3Com Fast Etherlink XL (3C905TX)
Toshiba 40X ATAPI EIDE CD-Rom Drive

Thanks!


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From: C.J.@btsoftware.com                               25-Nov-99 10:21:11
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 10:37:25
Subj: Check out : HomePage Publisher

From: "C.J." <C.J.@btsoftware.com>

HomePage Publisher
***************************

HomePage Publisher is an integrated WYSIWYG HTML publisher and
editor/browser. HPP enables you to create or modify any HTML pages. Easy to
use, it does not require knowledge of HTML tags. With HPP, you will be able
to modify pages and images directly in your document.

Check it out and download the free trial version:
http://btsoftware.com/os2/hpp.htm


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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            25-Nov-99 10:57:14
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 10:37:25
Subj: Re: Oracle 8 available for OS/2?

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:21:00 -0500, Frank Burleigh wrote:

>I think I remember a post to warpcast some months ago announcing the
>availability of Oracle's db server for OS/2, but now I can't find such a
>post.  I'm a developer and would like to download a copy, in the same
>way I can download it for win, netware or linux.  Thanks.

I think I saw another posting later on www.os2.org and they wrote that there
is no version 8 for OS/2. Search for Oracle on os2.org

cu

Adrian


---
Adrian Gschwend
@ OS/2 Netlabs

ICQ: 22419590
ktk@netlabs.org
-------
The OS/2 OpenSource Project:
http://www.netlabs.org


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From: sti@genesis.at                                    25-Nov-99 11:36:15
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 10:37:25
Subj: IBM Coordinated Logon Client

From: Markus Stimpfl <sti@genesis.at>

Hello

we use the "IBM Coordinated Logon Client 4.2.3" since about 2 years to
logon from our NT 4.0 Clients to our OS/2 Server (Warp Server SMP).
Since about 1 month we have problems with the NT Clients to logon to the
OS/2 Domain. The first logon fails most times:
"Your access to the server has been denied. Access is not permittet at
this time of day or your account may have eypired".

When we logoff and logon a second time everything works fine. In some
cases not all logon assignments are available.

thanks a lot
Markus


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           25-Nov-99 08:20:09
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <zozo83o366.8n.uno@sage.40th.com>, on 11/24/99 at 04:05 PM,
   uno@40th.com (uno@40th.com) said:


> Also perfectly legal here.  There are anti-discrimination laws on the
> books here, so I -can't- not sell to you based on, say, your race|color. 
> However, if, say, you're just way too fat, I -can- refuse to sell you
> more cookies.  Basically, over here, anything that isn't expressly
> against the law is perfectly legal.

Tell that to the restaurant owner in Philadelphia who were fined because
they refused service to a blind couple because they had guide dogs. Tell
that to the merchant in Philadelphia who was fined because he refused to
sell condoms to gays.

The courts more and more extend anti-discrimination statutes based on
"legislative intent" rather than the specific wording in the written law.

And as far as price discrimination goes, a merchant operating entirely
within one state apparently is not covered by the Federal law covering
companies engaged in interstate commerce. However, the Supreme Court of
the US has expanded the meaning of interstate commerce so far as to make
anyone in business subject, even Pizza parlors since the ingredients they
use were made out of state.

About the only way a pizza parlor would be exempt from Federal regulation
today would be if he built his store out of wood from trees grown in New
Jersey and bricks he made himself from local mud baked in a New Jersey
cave using New Jersey grown wood for the fire, raised his own wheat,
tomatoes, and whatever else goes into his sauce, raised his own cows
purely on New Jersey pasture and made his own cheese, got his salt from
drying New Jersey saltwater, etc. He wouldn't be able to use boxes, would
have to have a wood fired oven since electricity and gas are interstate
activities, and make his own wooden spatulas, spoons, etc.

Even then he would be in trouble since undoubtedly his wood burning oven
would be in violation of EPA rules against air pollution. For good or ill,
the concept of a purely state matter has been all but eliminated by a
combination of congressional acts and court rulings.

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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           25-Nov-99 16:09:21
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: Oracle 8 available for OS/2?

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <xgxargynofbet.flrgbs0.pminews@news.aart.ch>, on 11/25/99 
   at 10:57 AM, "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:

>>I think I remember a post to warpcast some months ago announcing the
>>availability of Oracle's db server for OS/2, but now I can't find such a
>>post.  I'm a developer and would like to download a copy, in the same
>>way I can download it for win, netware or linux.  Thanks.

>I think I saw another posting later on www.os2.org and they wrote that
>there is no version 8 for OS/2. Search for Oracle on os2.org

Oracle 8.1.5 Enterprise Edition for OS/2 is listed as available on one
single page all across the Oracle Web sites, namely, "Platform
Availability" table. It is there for almost one year now. Absolutely no
any other mentioning of Oracle 8 for OS/2 anywhere else on Oracle sites.
Even IBM OS/2 platform as a whole was removed from a list of supported
platforms some time ago. Oracle did not answer to my numerous e-mail
enquiries about Oracle 8 for OS/2 availability either. I assume this
"Platform Availability" note was a typing error of the person who prepared
this particular web page :((.

Cheers,
Ivan

-- 
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From: bv@opera.no                                       25-Nov-99 14:26:25
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Esther Schindler wrote:

> ... Paul Allen's Vulcan Ventures was
> already an investor in Softbank, which owns more technology firms than
> Carter has little liver pills. (Softbank also owns or has a
> controlling interest in Kingston Memory, for instance.)
>

For those of us who kind of understand what you're driving at but do not
hear the ringing of bells: What are "little liver pills"? Is it something
elderly statemen in the US have a habit of? Or does it hint at a previous
drinking habit (which is not too good for the liver)?


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From: bv@opera.no                                       25-Nov-99 14:57:11
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Dmned NS Communicator! Was: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

>
> Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
> you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
> characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
> most well-informed opinions...

Damn! This is a new install of NC 4.6.1, but I just verified that the setting
is for an outbound line wrap at 72 columns. Counting characters in your quote,
I see that it obviously does not work. I really hoped the bugger worked
better than that.

I was halfway contemplating to make a reformatting filter for Yarn to
reflow long lines into something it would display properly while I
still used it, but now I'm instead testing all manner of software to see how
they can be improved upon. I cannot count the ways...



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From: bv@opera.no                                       25-Nov-99 15:06:15
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: wrapping trials

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

>
> Oh, I hate to disagree with Martin again (well not really)
> but for some uses Netscape/2's newsreader is just fine.  If
> you're monitoring say ten newsgroups, I'd use Yarn/Soup or
> ProNews, but if you're looking at 50 or 100 or 200,
> Netscape's is extremely stable and works quite well, imo.
>

Well, no - the really strong point of Yarn is the superior filtering

and the pseudo-newsgroups. The more groups and mailing lists
you follow, the more use will you be able to get from them. I used
it
a lot before  I converted my home system to a network with Changi
and Weasel to handle mail and news exchange. Now, filtering is done
by Object REXX programs instead.

And no, NS Communicator is not really all that reliable. I have had
several failures where I had to rebuild the entire user with
settings and
history.


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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        25-Nov-99 14:08:13
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: Oracle 8 available for OS/2?

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <383d36d8$1$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>, "Ivan Adzhubei"
<ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> writes:
>In <xgxargynofbet.flrgbs0.pminews@news.aart.ch>, on 11/25/99 
>   at 10:57 AM, "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:
>
>>>I think I remember a post to warpcast some months ago announcing the
>>>availability of Oracle's db server for OS/2, but now I can't find such a
>>>post.  I'm a developer and would like to download a copy, in the same
>>>way I can download it for win, netware or linux.  Thanks.
>
>>I think I saw another posting later on www.os2.org and they wrote that
>>there is no version 8 for OS/2. Search for Oracle on os2.org
>
>Oracle 8.1.5 Enterprise Edition for OS/2 is listed as available on one
>single page all across the Oracle Web sites, namely, "Platform
>Availability" table. It is there for almost one year now. Absolutely no
>any other mentioning of Oracle 8 for OS/2 anywhere else on Oracle sites.
>Even IBM OS/2 platform as a whole was removed from a list of supported
>platforms some time ago. Oracle did not answer to my numerous e-mail
>enquiries about Oracle 8 for OS/2 availability either. I assume this
>"Platform Availability" note was a typing error of the person who prepared
>this particular web page :((.

Maybe if sufficient people ask for v8 they will produce one.

I recently got an offer of an upgrade from v7.3 which I haven't replied to
yet. I'd like to ask them what they have available as an upgrade option and
whether they would be prepared to provide a free copy of NT.

As far as I can see my only available upgrade path is from Oracle to DB2.

>
>Cheers,
>Ivan
>
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
--
John

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 25-Nov-99 08:57:28
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

>Ken Walter [Solution Technology] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
> >Anybody catch Peter Coffee's column a couple of weeks back,
> >"Thin-client economics revive 'dead' OS/2".  Granted, Im not too keen
> >on the calling OS/2 'dead', but seeing anything positive said about
> >OS/2 in a ZD publication was almost shocking enough to give me a
> >heart-attack.
> >
> >If you're interested, it's at:
> >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/columns/0,4351,2377721,00.html
> 
> PC Week also said OS/2 failed because it was 16 bit and Win3.1 was 32 
> bit.
>
>That isn't exactly what Peter wrote. He said "Windows 3.x that exploited the
>32-bit 386 architecture". You can read it here complete and see for yourself.
>
>Analysis: Jackson's ruling reflects serious misunderstandings
>By Peter Coffee, PC Week Online 
>November 5, 1999 9:23 PM ET
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1018027,00.html
>
>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n
>

It's still a very strange assessment.  The degree to which
OS/2 1.3 coincided with W3.x -- if it was two years, which I
don't believe it was -- means we're talking about W3.0, and
who in their right mind could say that feeble abomination
"could multitask DOS sessions with ample memory and
surprisingly good task protection"?  In the face of the
tremendous amount of evidence supporting the case against M$
this sort of logic falls little short of twisted. 
Particularly -- if you want to talk about exploiting 32-bit
386 architecture -- in light of how much farther ahead Warp
2.1 was than WfW a year or two later.  

I don't really wish to engage in a debate.  But one thing
you should keep in mind before you start bleating about the
sheer injustice being done to this magnificent corporation:
Microsoft appeared before a Federal judge with a hacked
videotape -- a piece of falsified evidence, the intent of
which was to controvert what was by MS's own contention one
of the (if not the) pivotal issue in the case.  It's the
nature of an enormous case against an enormous company that
all sorts of excuses, sophistries, rationalizations, and
lies can be brought to bear as a defense, inside and outside
of court.  But I don't believe there is one judge in all the
world who's going to sit there and behold a defendent
presenting phony exhibits and not see it as a tacit
indication of complicity.

Of course one thing I would like to hear from you and the
other countless Microsoft apologists, instead of these
tortuous rationalizations, is that Microsoft did a really
first-rate job of presenting its case in court.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de                 25-Nov-99 15:26:06
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: Help with Building AMD Athalon Based OS/2 System (Round 2)

From: Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Frank Berke)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:35:41, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> 
wrote:

Hi,
> Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
The German computer magazine c't has tested five Athlon boards in its 
recent edition: in performance they are all just the same, but 
currently there are only Biostar and FIC offering support for their 
products. Neither Asus, nor MSI, nor Gigabyte give you more than BIOS 
upgrades...

> AMD 500 or 550 Athalon CPU
Get the Athlon 500, since 50 MHz is not worth the current difference 
in price...

> Micron 128MB SDRAM - Cas2, 6 layer PCB
Be sure to get the patch from Daniela Engert to enable OS/2 
recognizing memory amounts above 64MB (patchldr.zip on Hobbes): have a
beer while studying the readme ;-)

> Alps 3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Just any will do. Get the cheapest as they are not as stable anymore 
as in former times.

> Matrox G400 AGP Video with 32MB
No chance to benefit from 32MB if you're only working with OS/2. If 
you play games supporting this amount of memory, it might be useful.

> Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! Value
No idea about Creative Cards. They stopped supporting OS/2 a long time
ago and there's hardly any chance to get their recent PCI cards to 
work within OS/2. Better look for something based on a Crystal CODEC, 
the only company I know still offering good support for OS/2.

> IBM Deskstar 22GXP (13GB Ultra 66)
Use DANIS506 instead of IBM1S506 driver after installation and be sure
to patch your setup diskettes before installation.

Regards,
----------------------------------------------
Frank Berke, Bochum, Germany
http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/frank.berke
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           25-Nov-99 11:43:29
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:24
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <383D391B.4B2E7AFA@opera.no>, on 11/25/99 at 02:26 PM,
   Bjrn Vermo <bv@opera.no> said:


> For those of us who kind of understand what you're driving at but do not
> hear the ringing of bells: What are "little liver pills"? Is it
> something elderly statemen in the US have a habit of? Or does it hint at
> a previous drinking habit (which is not too good for the liver)?

Back in the middle of this century, a company widely advertised in the
press, on radio, and on TV "Carter's Little Liver Pills". They were
supposedly a cure-all for a variety of ailments. Changes in the laws
governing OTC (Over the Counter as opposed to prescription) medications
forced them to drop the "Liver" from the name. If I remember correctly,
more CLLP's were sold than Bayer (the leading brand in the US) aspirin
tablets.


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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          25-Nov-99 17:04:08
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:24
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <383d67cc$2$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>
	   bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com "Bob Germer" writes:

> Back in the middle of this century, a company widely advertised
> in the press, on radio, and on TV "Carter's Little Liver
> Pills". They were supposedly a cure-all for a variety of
> ailments. [...] If I remember correctly, more CLLP's were sold
> than Bayer (the leading brand in the US) aspirin tablets.

And were they, too, eventually sued by the DoJ?  ;-)

(M$ : IBM :: Carter's : Bayer ? -- Bayer are still in business.)
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: wishicould@dontlikespam.com                       25-Nov-99 14:14:11
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 19:46:19
Subj: Re: rawrite error message

From: "Daniel" <wishicould@dontlikespam.com>

Terry
loaddskf and it worked!!!  thanks a million!
Daniel

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:54:01 -0500 (EST), Terry Haimann wrote:

>rawrite doesn't work under os2 or the vdm, there is a corresponding command
>though, its something like loaddsk, but i can't remember for sure.
>
>
>On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:30:43 -0500 (EST), Daniel wrote:
>
>>ahoy 
>>I'm trying to rawrite some debian linux base disks, using rawrite 2.0 (dos
>>program running in os/2 warp 4 fixpack 11's dos window ) I get the error: 
>>Attachment failed to respond
>>what does that mean?  I've fiddle with as many of the  dos environment
>>settings as possible?  Suggestions?
>>
>>I also tried rawrite1.3.3 and it says: attempt to DMA across 64k boundry
>>
>>I used both of these utilities before when I did not have a fixpack
installed
>>and they worked succesfully, however I did have to change some of the basic
>>dos settings, all which I have tried this time.
>>
>>Daniel
>>
>>
>
>
>



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From: agi@direct.ca                                     25-Nov-99 11:28:19
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 19:46:19
Subj: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Alan Ianson <agi@direct.ca>

I have installed NS Communicator 4.61 on my system and it seems to have
installed fine (it works), but when the install finished the system hung
and when I rebooted I had a NS Communicator folder on my desktop but it
was empty. So I'd be curious to know what optional parameters are used
(if any) and what the working directory is set to from a successful
install.

I also need to add another profile to NS but can't figure out how to do
that. Is there a utility icon in the NS folder that will maintain
profiles? If so I need the details of it (Path & filename, optional
parameters, working directory) and anything else like that.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can fill me in..

 Ttyl :-),
             Al



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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               25-Nov-99 12:02:09
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 19:46:19
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Alan Ianson wrote:

> I have installed NS Communicator 4.61 on my system and it seems to have
> installed fine (it works), but when the install finished the system hung
> and when I rebooted I had a NS Communicator folder on my desktop but it
> was empty. So I'd be curious to know what optional parameters are used
> (if any) and what the working directory is set to from a successful
> install.
>
> I also need to add another profile to NS but can't figure out how to do
> that. Is there a utility icon in the NS folder that will maintain
> profiles? If so I need the details of it (Path & filename, optional
> parameters, working directory) and anything else like that.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone who can fill me in..
>
>  Ttyl :-),
>              Al

Sounds like you have an incomplete or corrupt Communicator
4.61 file.  It should be 10015428 in size.  Try downloading it again.
You can get it here:

http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               25-Nov-99 12:08:05
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 19:46:19
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Tim Martin wrote:

> Alan Ianson wrote:
>
> > I have installed NS Communicator 4.61 on my system and it seems to have
> > installed fine (it works), but when the install finished the system hung
> > and when I rebooted I had a NS Communicator folder on my desktop but it
> > was empty. So I'd be curious to know what optional parameters are used
> > (if any) and what the working directory is set to from a successful
> > install.
> >
> > I also need to add another profile to NS but can't figure out how to do
> > that. Is there a utility icon in the NS folder that will maintain
> > profiles? If so I need the details of it (Path & filename, optional
> > parameters, working directory) and anything else like that.
> >
> > Thanks in advance to anyone who can fill me in..
> >
> >  Ttyl :-),
> >              Al
>
> Sounds like you have an incomplete or corrupt Communicator
> 4.61 file.  It should be 10015428 in size.  Try downloading it again.
> You can get it here:
>
> http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm

I'm sorry, I should have answered all your questions.  Once installed
there is a 'Netscape User Profile Manager' found in the main
Communicator folder that will allow you to create additional personae.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"


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From: nemo@union.edu                                    25-Nov-99 15:02:17
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 19:46:19
Subj: Re: Pls help with "os/2 cannot operate your hard drive"

From: nemo@union.edu

In <383d84ed$2$nggtybony.arg$mr2ice@news1.attglobal.net>, on 11/25/99 
   at 10:37 AM, attglobal.net@attglobal.net (RJFREEM) said:

>This works like a charm. XCopy does not copy
>EA_DATA.SF ergo, not with FAT. RJF

I hadn't heard this before and I'm afraid I've never used xcopy with a FAT
partition.

The standard advice is to use the following switches with xcopy 
/h/o/t/s/e/r/v; as I recall, the syntax to copy from partition x: to
partition y: would be:

xopy /h/o/t/s/e/r/v x:\* y:\

(I believe 'x:\*' is better than 'x\*.*' since the former gets stuff
without extensions.) 

One can look up their meaning with the help utility. I have never had a
problem copying partitions using xcopy this way. 

There was a typo in your response but whoever you're replying to probably
caught it:

fdisk /newmbr /disk:1

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              25-Nov-99 20:09:03
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 19:46:19
Subj: Re: IBM Coordinated Logon Client

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Markus Stimpfl wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> we use the "IBM Coordinated Logon Client 4.2.3" since about 2 years to
> logon from our NT 4.0 Clients to our OS/2 Server (Warp Server SMP).
> Since about 1 month we have problems with the NT Clients to logon to the
> OS/2 Domain. The first logon fails most times:
> "Your access to the server has been denied. Access is not permittet at
> this time of day or your account may have eypired".
> 
> When we logoff and logon a second time everything works fine. In some
> cases not all logon assignments are available.
> 
    Apparently something has changed in the last month. Any idea what?

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: stefanj@gte.net                                   25-Nov-99 20:20:01
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 19:46:19
Subj: Joystick Device Driver Contest.....New Entries!!

From: stefanj@gte.net (Jason Stefanovich)

I have received a new entry from Vesa Jskelinen,
A Joystick driver that has support for the Gravis Gamepad Pro.
Also, check out Vesa's proposal for an extended joystick
standard under OS/2.



MAMERun Joystick Device Driver Contest.

What is it?

Write your own joystick device driver for OS/2 and you could win $100
plus valuable prizes and earn the respect and gratitude of OS/2
gamers around the world! With the many new games available and the
advance of game controllers there arises a need for a better 
joystick device driver than IBM's advanced joystick device driver. 
Support for new controller features, such as 8+ buttons, will greatly
enhance the OS/2 gaming experience for gamers as well as 
developers.

For rules and other information check out:

  http://home1.gte.net/stefanj/contest.htm 

I am looking for additional sponsors for this contest. If you would
like to contribute please go to: 

  http://home1.gte.net/stefanj/sponsor.htm 

Any questions can be sent to me at Stefanj@gte.net

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        25-Nov-99 22:24:03
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 19:46:19
Subj: Re: Putting an OS/2 HDD into a Win98 machine

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:16:20 +1300, Nick Rennie <nrennie@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> I currently have two computers - one with Win98, one with Win98 & OS/2
> on it, on separate hard drives (2 drives, not one partitioned drive).
> I want to move the OS/2 drive to the Win98 only machine (its the newer
> one) so I can sell the other computer.  I need OS/2 for some work
> programs and having it on a separate drive to Win98 is really a must for
> me.
> Is it possible to just swap the drive over and use a dual boot program
> to choose which OS to boot? Can anyone forsee any difficulties I might
> have?

It should be possible, but it might be a headache.  

First, if the two machines don't have the same video cards, you must
remember to reset OS/2 to basic VGA drivers before you do the swap.

Second, you should uninstall (recommended) or comment out (if you know
what you're doing) OS/2 device drivers for any hardware that's not in the
target machine.

Third, you should probably hope that the drive letters will be the same
from OS/2's point of view once it gets put into the new box.  If OS/2 was
D: in the old machine, it should be D: in the new machine.  Otherwise, it
probably won't know where to find all your desktop settings, etc.

Your best bet is if the two machines have completely identical hardware.
If they're not the same, backing up your data and reinstalling OS/2 might
be easier.

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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         26-Nov-99 00:52:08
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:26:16, 
jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela) 
wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:51:09, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
> Racette) wrote:
> 
> > I tried to re-install to whole suite, 
> > after the re-installation everything was
> > working fine, I had to re-boot, so I did
> > a normal shutdown and all three program 
> > began to behave as before I re-installed
> 
> Did you have the installer modify CONFIG.SYS?  Specifically, are the 
> correct entries in your PATH and LIBPATH statements?  
> 
> --
> John Varela
> to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

They were correct before and yes I did 
chechked them and they are correct

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         26-Nov-99 00:54:15
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:27:47, 
yyyc186@flashcom.net wrote:

> In <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-FdU7zY6GwuMT@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>, on 11/24/99
> 
>    at 07:53 PM, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) said:
> 
> Try running a checkini utlity to check the user and system ini files.  You
> could have some dead entries.
> 
> Otherwise, backout FP12.
> 
> Roland
> 

Well, the problems began showing up a 
little after I ran the latest checkini, 
could it be related ?????

BTW. I'll try it anyway, I have nothing 
to lose now :-)

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: goober@snit.com                                   25-Nov-99 23:16:15
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Help me==>   SOLVED  <==  EA DATA.SF.....245MEG

From: goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie)

OK, first of all, thank you for all your help and responces.  
I do appreciate it.

CHKDSK didn't fix much.

The next thing I did was rename EA DATA. SF to another name and move
it to another drive.  I have now been running OS/2 and programs whithin it
with no problem at all.  I'll leave the renamed file on the other HD for a
while yet but if I see no problem at all, I'll deleta that 245 Meg PIG.




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From: agi@direct.ca                                     25-Nov-99 16:34:28
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Alan Ianson <agi@direct.ca>


Tim Martin wrote:

> > > I have installed NS Communicator 4.61 on my system and it seems to have
> > > installed fine (it works), but when the install finished the system hung
> > > and when I rebooted I had a NS Communicator folder on my desktop but it
> > > was empty. So I'd be curious to know what optional parameters are used
> > > (if any) and what the working directory is set to from a successful
> > > install.
> > >
> > > I also need to add another profile to NS but can't figure out how to do
> > > that. Is there a utility icon in the NS folder that will maintain
> > > profiles? If so I need the details of it (Path & filename, optional
> > > parameters, working directory) and anything else like that.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance to anyone who can fill me in..
> > >
> > >  Ttyl :-),
> > >              Al
> >
> > Sounds like you have an incomplete or corrupt Communicator
> > 4.61 file.  It should be 10015428 in size.  Try downloading it again.
> > You can get it here:
> >
> > http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm
>
> I'm sorry, I should have answered all your questions.  Once installed
> there is a 'Netscape User Profile Manager' found in the main
> Communicator folder that will allow you to create additional personae.
>

Hi Tim,

    Thanks for the reply. Yes, my COMM46XR.EXE file is also 10015428 bytes. I
don't t know why but it happens to me that the install will freeze up like
that
at times. It may be my system, I run Warp3 with fixpak 40 installed. I started
noticing those freeze-ups at fixpak 38 or 39. It also did that when I
installed
Communicator 4.04, so I wasn't surprised and I doubt that a reinstall will
help.. Well, at least it works so I'm happy.. :)

    But I would like to know the working directory and any optional parameters
that are used normally, and I also need to know how to setup The profile
manager. All my attempts to get that going have failed.

 Ttyl :-),
             Al


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               25-Nov-99 17:05:21
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Alan Ianson wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
>     Thanks for the reply. Yes, my COMM46XR.EXE file is also 10015428 bytes.
I
> don't t know why but it happens to me that the install will freeze up like
that
> at times. It may be my system, I run Warp3 with fixpak 40 installed. I
started
> noticing those freeze-ups at fixpak 38 or 39. It also did that when I
installed
> Communicator 4.04, so I wasn't surprised and I doubt that a reinstall will
> help.. Well, at least it works so I'm happy.. :)

What about NS 2.02?  Do you still have the same problems?  If so,
that could be a clue.

>     But I would like to know the working directory

Mine is: J:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE

> and any optional parameters

And:  -l en_US

My working directory is:  F:\DOWNLOADS

>
> that are used normally, and I also need to know how to setup The profile
> manager.

The profile manager should set itself up upon install.

Communicator must not be running when you establish a profile.

A 'workaround' can be forced.  Uninstall Communicator
(your original settings will be retained), reboot, run checkini,
reboot.  Use your drive ICON and step into your
X:\NETSCAPE\USERS\ directory and copy your current
(i.e., original) profile and give it the name of your second
profile.

Reinstall Communicator.  Reboot.  When you start
Communicator it will ask which is the default profile.
Select yours.  When Communicator opens, run it
through its paces to make sure all of your settings
are in effect then close down Communicator.
Restart Communicator and you should get the
Profile Manager Menu with the default profile in
the box.  Change that to the second profile.

From then on you should have no trouble moving
between profiles.  You can only have one profile
open at a time.

To add a third profile, shut down Communicator then
open the Communicator folder and click on the Profile
Manager icon.  Add your third entry.

> All my attempts to get that going have failed.
>
>  Ttyl :-),
>              Al

Hope this helps!  I don't use Warp 3 so I'm unfamiliar
with any problems or limitations it may have running
newer OS/2 software.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"



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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          24-Nov-99 15:00:17
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <383beef4$4$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>
	   bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com "Bob Germer" writes:

> On <81f1dq$ojn$4@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, on 11/23/99 at 09:36 PM,
>    larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
>
> > When I sell something, I base my price on who is asking.  You
> > will not be able to buy a slice of pizza off me at the same
> > rate I'd offer my cousin. In fact, I may refuse to sell you
> > the slice at all.
>
> If you did, you would be charged with a crime. A restaurant
> must serve everyone regardless of race, creed, color, national
> origin, etc. The civil rights laws apply to you as to everyone
> else.

Obviously you North Americans have managed to build a veritable
paradise-on-earth.  Here in the backward old UK, AFAIK a trader
can refuse to sell to a person, at whim.  Problems usually only
start for that trader if the reason for that refusal is given, or
if illegal/reprehensible discrimination can be proven.

Or did I misunderstand?  It is so difficult to recognise when a
Usenet statement refers only to a portion of North America.  ;-)

Besides, Bob, Lars could easily be doing you a favour in refusing
to sell you his pizza.  I mean, have you _tasted_ it???
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: uno@40th.com                                      24-Nov-99 16:05:18
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: uno@40th.com (uno@40th.com)

Andrew Stephenson? (ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk?) wrote (Wed, 24 Nov 99 15:00:35
>Obviously you North Americans have managed to build a veritable
>paradise-on-earth.  Here in the backward old UK, AFAIK a trader
>can refuse to sell to a person, at whim.  Problems usually only

Also perfectly legal here.  There are anti-discrimination laws
on the books here, so I -can't- not sell to you based on, say,
your race|color.  However, if, say, you're just way too fat, I
-can- refuse to sell you more cookies.  Basically, over here,
anything that isn't expressly against the law is perfectly legal.
There is no law saying I can't not sell a fat person cookies
because that person is too fat.  But, anyway, people do refuse
to sell based on race | color all the time.  As a matter of fact,
there are towns that are ridiculously all-white (Annaheim CA &
Glenview, IL, to name the two whitest).  There are also towns
that are ridiculously all-non-white, but that's not quite the
same thing (choice being the difference).  Just goes to show you.





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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               24-Nov-99 11:24:26
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

"uno@40th.com" wrote:
> 
> Andrew Stephenson? (ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk?) wrote (Wed, 24 Nov 99
15:00:35
> >Obviously you North Americans have managed to build a veritable
> >paradise-on-earth.  Here in the backward old UK, AFAIK a trader
> >can refuse to sell to a person, at whim.  Problems usually only
> 
> Also perfectly legal here.  There are anti-discrimination laws
> on the books here, so I -can't- not sell to you based on, say,
> your race|color.  However, if, say, you're just way too fat, I
> -can- refuse to sell you more cookies.  Basically, over here,
> anything that isn't expressly against the law is perfectly legal.
> There is no law saying I can't not sell a fat person cookies
> because that person is too fat.

Not what if you are taken to court on the matter and a judge "finds a
fact" stating that not selling someone cookies because they're fat is
prejudicial just as much as not selling someone cookies because of their
race?  Should you be punished for all of the times in the past when you
didn't sell someone cookies because they were fat?

- Marty

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From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net                 24-Nov-99 15:31:10
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net (Ken Walter)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:14:35, John Desmarais 
<jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.org.invalid> wrote:

>Anybody catch Peter Coffee's column a couple of weeks back,
>"Thin-client economics revive 'dead' OS/2".  Granted, Im not too keen
>on the calling OS/2 'dead', but seeing anything positive said about
>OS/2 in a ZD publication was almost shocking enough to give me a
>heart-attack.
>
>If you're interested, it's at:
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/columns/0,4351,2377721,00.html
>
>
>* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
>The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
>

PC Week also said OS/2 failed because it was 16 bit and Win3.1 was 32 
bit.


Ken Walter

Remove -zamboni to reply
All the above is hearsay and the opinion of no one in particular

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From: jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.or...               24-Nov-99 07:14:17
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: PC Week - Peter Coffee

Message sender: jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.org.invalid

From: John Desmarais <jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.org.invalid>

Anybody catch Peter Coffee's column a couple of weeks back,
"Thin-client economics revive 'dead' OS/2".  Granted, Im not too keen
on the calling OS/2 'dead', but seeing anything positive said about
OS/2 in a ZD publication was almost shocking enough to give me a
heart-attack.

If you're interested, it's at:
http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/columns/0,4351,2377721,00.html


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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        24-Nov-99 16:03:22
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Warp4 fp => Warp3?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On 23 Nov 1999 10:40:12 GMT, John Hong <jhong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> wrote:
> >> 	With that said, there are lots of things one can rip from Warp 4 
> >> onto Warp 3.  RTMIDI is one, another is the WarpCentre (if you have 
> >> Lotus SmartCentre from the Smartsuite 96 or WordPro/Freelance 96
installed).
> 
> >I've wondered about the WarpCentre.  Why do you need Smartsuite stuff
> >to do this, though?
> 
> 	How else can you install it?  SmartCentre is installed by Lotus
> WordPro 96 or SmartSuite 96 as an option and works in much the same way as
> WarpCentre.  Unlike the older Smartsuite (AmiPro 3.0b), the SS96 version
> is a .DLL file, not a .EXE file like before.  All one has to do is nab the
> latest SCENTER.DLL and stick it in there, you will need the PMMERGE.DLL
> with it, though.  Voila, WarpCentre.

OK, now I'm confused.  What is SmartCentre, and what does it have to do
with the WarpCentre?  Are you saying you can copy SmartCentre to Warp 3,
and it will provide a "WarpCentre clone"?  I thought we were talking about
actually copying the WarpCentre itself... ???

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: radu_trm@yahoo.com                                24-Nov-99 15:37:03
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: ATX motherboards

From: radu <radu_trm@yahoo.com>

Did you dblclick the icon or choosed "Properties" from the RMB popup?
Radu


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             24-Nov-99 16:31:25
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Pmmerge variations

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:34:50, "Arjen Meijer" <arjen@removethis.hacom.nl> 
wrote:

Hmmm...I downloaded that archive and installed it pmmerge and
keyboard.dcp on Warp 3, FP 40. When I did a bldlevel I get gibberish.

Was I not supposed to use that on W3?  It seems to run OK.  Actually
screen redraws seem a little faster.
 
> :>Could you please run bldlevel on them and post the results ?
> :>"2.1st testcase" 1254973 bytes, is revision 9.35
> 
> Latest version
> Signature:       @#IBM:9.30#@ OS/2 PM Merged Library
> Vendor:          IBM
> Revision:        9.30
> File Version:    9.30
> Description:     OS/2 PM Merged Library

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.or...               24-Nov-99 08:46:14
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

Message sender: jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.org.invalid

From: John Desmarais <jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.org.invalid>

In article <eDcSHHgdulIC-pn2-zqmKztHvjFgd@zamboni.stiscan.com>,
icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net (Ken Walter) wrote:
ree!
> >
> PC Week also said OS/2 failed because it was 16 bit and Win3.1 was
> 32
> bit.

Not exactly. What they said (in
http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1018027,00.html ) was
that "... for two years, IBM tried to sell a 16-bit OS/2 1.x against a
Windows 3.x that exploited the 32-bit 386 architecture."



-=>John Desmarais


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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             24-Nov-99 08:30:00
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Ken Walter wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:14:35, John Desmarais
> <jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.org.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >Anybody catch Peter Coffee's column a couple of weeks back,
> >"Thin-client economics revive 'dead' OS/2".  Granted, Im not too keen
> >on the calling OS/2 'dead', but seeing anything positive said about
> >OS/2 in a ZD publication was almost shocking enough to give me a
> >heart-attack.
> >
> >If you're interested, it's at:
> >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/columns/0,4351,2377721,00.html
> >
> >
> >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network
*
> >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
> >
> 
> PC Week also said OS/2 failed because it was 16 bit and Win3.1 was 32
> bit.

Now didja have to go and tell us that?  You might have ended a stampede
to the store to buy "32-bit" Windows software.  Speaking of Ziff-Davis,
I saw yesterday that Vulcan Ventures, owned by Paul Allen (one of the
co-founders of Microsoft and a very large Microsoft stockholder) just
purchased a controlling interest in ZDTV. 


> Ken Walter
> 
> Remove -zamboni to reply
> All the above is hearsay and the opinion of no one in particular

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From: as@sci.fi                                         23-Nov-99 19:25:26
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

"Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> writes:

> Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
> Diamond Monster Sound MX300

These might not work very well. Nvidia has some TNT drivers, but I
don't know if they work with the Diamond. Scitech Display Doctor
provides at least unaccelerated support as do GRADD drivers.

I don't know if there are any drivers for the MX300.

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             24-Nov-99 08:42:05
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: ATX motherboards

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Csaba Raduly wrote:
> 
> djohnson@isomedia.com (David T. Johnson) wrote in
> <383A9D39.935BFC44@isomedia.com>:
> 
> >
> [snip]
> >
> >What he means is when you do a shutdown from warpcenter and the system
> >says 'It is now safe to...'  The warp center shutdown does not do an APM
> >power off on ATX boards.  However, since OS/2 v4 fixpack 6 or
> >thereabouts there has been a "power" icon in the "system setup" folder
> >which provides APM 1.2 support for either 'suspend' or 'power off.'
> 
> ???
> I'm at FP11 and the only thing that's visible in "Power" is
> Power source : AC powered
> Battery state: No battery
> 
> >The OS/2 'power off' feature does an APM 1.2 power off shutdown of the
> >operating system and the hardware.
> 
> Where is this ?

Right-click with the mouse on the power object and you will see menu
options for "power off" or "suspend."  If you dblclick on the power
object you will just get the APM powr status similar to the status shown
on Warpcenter.  If you right-click on the power object and choose the
"properties" option, you can set the machine to power up at a certain
time of day or in response to an incoming modem ring, etc. 


> Csaba
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From: letoured@nospam.net                               25-Nov-99 20:33:14
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:20
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: letoured@nospam.net

>Well, the problems began showing up a 
>little after I ran the latest checkini, 
>could it be related ?????

I had trouble installing after FP12 to.   I had to uninstall SmartSuite,
and then edit the config.sys because something was left. I don't remember
what. Then I ran Checkini, booted and reinsalled. 


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      25-Nov-99 22:32:29
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:21
Subj: Re: rawrite error message

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <jvfuvpbhyqqbagyvxrfcnzpbz.flrkn70.pminews@news.sprint.ca>, "Daniel"
<wishicould@dontlikespam.com> writes:

>I'm trying to rawrite some debian linux base disks, using rawrite 2.0 (dos
>program running in os/2 warp 4 fixpack 11's dos window ) I get the error: 
>Attachment failed to respond
>what does that mean?  I've fiddle with as many of the  dos environment
>settings as possible?  Suggestions?

Don't use rawrite.exe to write the images; use the OS/2 port of 
"dd" (from the GNU file utilities package; available from hobbes 
and elsewhere) to write the images.  OS/2 dd works the same way 
linux dd does: "dd if=boot.img of=a:" will write the image 
loacted in "boot.img" to your a: floppy drive.

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: afjbell@onlink.net                                25-Nov-99 20:47:17
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:21
Subj: Re: rawrite error message

From: "Alex Bell" <afjbell@onlink.net>

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:30:43 -0500 (EST), Daniel wrote:

>ahoy 
>I'm trying to rawrite some debian linux base disks, using rawrite 2.0 (dos
>program running in os/2 warp 4 fixpack 11's dos window ) I get the error: 
>Attachment failed to respond
>what does that mean?  I've fiddle with as many of the  dos environment
>settings as possible?  Suggestions?
>
>I also tried rawrite1.3.3 and it says: attempt to DMA across 64k boundry
>
>I used both of these utilities before when I did not have a fixpack installed
>and they worked succesfully, however I did have to change some of the basic
>dos settings, all which I have tried this time.
>
>Daniel
>
The problem has nothing to do with fixpacks.  It means that the version of
Rawrite has been designed to work from a Windoze dos window.  I have found
that Calderal OpenLinux rawrite works well in an OS/2 dos window, but
TurboLinux and Mandrake rawrites must be used from a Windoze dos window.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Alex
>



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From: thoman@verinet.com                                26-Nov-99 03:28:02
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:21
Subj: Re: Can I still buy OS/2 Warp Connect v3.0 ?

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <383c28ab@janitor.star.net.uk>, "Tony Haley"
<thaley@bluechiptechnology.co.uk> writes:
>
>Can anyone help point me in the direction of a reliable supplier who can
>deliver this?

        If you mean reliable as in reliable supply for further purchases,
no.  IBM has withdrawn Warp Connect (and all other flavors of OS/2 version
3) from sales & support.
        You'll have to find 'em where you can, which is why another poster
suggested eBay.

-----
Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: Andreas.Iseli@dola.wa.gov.au                      26-Nov-99 03:23:01
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:21
Subj: Re: AGP ATI Rage query

From: Andy Iseli <Andreas.Iseli@dola.wa.gov.au>

In article <19991124.18374129@mis.configured.host>,
  Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

> I am using the SciTech (www.scitechsoft.com) gradd drivers=20
> successfully with the ATI Rage 128 on a K6-2-450.  In this case
beta=20=
>
> version 6 since it works just fine:)  As always, the typical
warning=20=
>
> about beta stuff... use at your own risk, but it works for me.
>
Paul,

Thanks very much for the reply however I ended up swapping the card for
an S3 968 which has OS/2 drivers so I won't get the opportunity to test
the driver you recommended.

The good news is the ATI Rage 128 is going into my work PC...what a
bummer.

Thanks again,
Andy



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From: agi@direct.ca                                     25-Nov-99 21:54:29
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:21
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Alan Ianson <agi@direct.ca>

Hiya Tim,

    Yep, Netscape 2.02 works well for me. It has no profile abilities though,
and it
crashes sometimes when deleting messages in my inbox. It seems to happen when
large
messages are moved to the trash. Although I have the 128 bit encryption
version of
2.02 I can't access my bank's site.. :(, so that's why I want to upgrade.

    I have reinstalled, deleted and reinstalled and I always have the same
problem,
the system seems to freeze-up after the install. I can move the mouse around
but
nothing is responsive. Well, I'm not to worried about it anyway since all
seems to be
well after reboot. Except I can't figure out how to add a new profile. Can you 
tell
me what program and options etc are listed in your "Profile Manager" Icon?
I'll be
happy if I can add my wife's profile and it still works OK.. :)

 Ttyl :-),
             Al



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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               25-Nov-99 23:19:11
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Alan Ianson wrote:

> Hiya Tim,
>
>     Yep, Netscape 2.02 works well for me. It has no profile abilities
though, and it
> crashes sometimes when deleting messages in my inbox. It seems to happen
when large
> messages are moved to the trash. Although I have the 128 bit encryption
version of
> 2.02 I can't access my bank's site.. :(, so that's why I want to upgrade.
>
>     I have reinstalled, deleted and reinstalled and I always have the same
problem,
> the system seems to freeze-up after the install. I can move the mouse around 
but
> nothing is responsive. Well, I'm not to worried about it anyway since all
seems to be
> well after reboot. Except I can't figure out how to add a new profile.

The easiest way would be to copy your own profile folder
(found in the /NETSCAPE/USERS subdirectory) and give it
her name.

> Can you tell me what program and options etc are listed in your "Profile
> Manager" Icon? I'll be happy if I can add my wife's profile and it still
works

When Profile Manager is started a menu box pops up
announcing what it is and asking directing you to click
the 'next' button if you'd like to add an additional profile.
Clicking next button gives you another menu telling you
it is about to create a new profile and asks you to insert
a profile nickname and a profile account name.

The profile nickname is used as the folder (or subdirectory)
name, which is placed in the USERS directory.  The profile
account name of the person the profile is created for.  This
can be changed in the preference settings once the new
profile is opened.   If you use a copy of your own profile
and rename it something else (your wife's name), her version
will contain all of your settings.  She should then go in and
adjust those settings to reflect her own. (Email name, servers,
fonts, etc).  That's all there is to it.

To get Communicator to find that new or additional manually
created profile you'd probably have to:

Shut down Communicator and reinstall Communicator
OVER your current version.  That reinstall should invoke
the profile manager menu once Communicator is started
because it will find two profiles and won't know which
profile should be started.

The profile manager works very much the same way a
boot manager menu does for starting separate operating
systems.  A menu pops up and asks which profile would
you like to start and offers a list of profiles.

If the above fails you may want to contact one of the
IBM Netscape team members directly and seek out
their personal advice.  You could try emailing:

Jeffrey S. Kobal <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>
or
Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

(Remove the NOSPAM, of course)

>  Ttyl :-),
>              Al

Tim...



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From: miket@interact.net.au                             25-Nov-99 12:13:16
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: miket@interact.net.au    (Michael Taylor)

dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro) writes:
> I am using a Diamond Viper V550. The Nvidia GRADD drivers are very
> fast and stable, but they have problems running full screen OS/2
> sessions and xfree86-os2. Specifically, the mouse cursor vanishes when
> run in a full screen session.
> 

I have the XFree86/2 problem but full screen OS/2 sessions seem to be Okay.
Anyway the Scitech Display Doctor drivers do work okay (with the limitations
I exaplined in another post).

--
Regards,                    Michael Taylor
Mike                        miket@interact.net.au
-------------------------------------------------
  Home Page: http://users.interact.net.au/~pmiy
-------------------------------------------------

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From: miket@interact.net.au                             25-Nov-99 12:11:26
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: miket@interact.net.au    (Michael Taylor)

Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> writes:
> "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> writes:
> 
> > Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
> > Diamond Monster Sound MX300
> 
> These might not work very well. Nvidia has some TNT drivers, but I
> don't know if they work with the Diamond. Scitech Display Doctor
> provides at least unaccelerated support as do GRADD drivers.
> 

The Viper V770 works fine. The nVidia drivers do limit you to 60Hz refresh
rates but the Scitech drivers will allow more than that (although the
Beta 9 drivers didn't properly recoqnise the V770 and fellback to VBE 1.2
support - still good but also limited to 60Hz. However I sent the 
details to Kendall Bennett at Scitech and he has fixed the problem (in beta 10
which I haven't seen yet).

> I don't know if there are any drivers for the MX300.
> 

There aren't. However the linux drivers are being released in source. I
have this card (in the second Win98 Kids PC!) and had to use the old SB16
instead.

--
Regards,                    Michael Taylor
Mike                        miket@interact.net.au
-------------------------------------------------
  Home Page: http://users.interact.net.au/~pmiy
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From: C.J.@btsoftware.com                               26-Nov-99 09:52:25
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: HPP different download address !!!!!

From: "C.J." <C.J.@btsoftware.com>

HomePage Publisher
***************************

HomePage Publisher is an integrated WYSIWYG HTML publisher and
editor/browser. HPP enables you to create or modify any HTML pages. Easy to
use, it does not require knowledge of HTML tags. With HPP, you will be able
to modify pages and images directly in your document.

Check it out and download the free trial version:
http://www.btsoftware.com/os2/hpp.htm



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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          26-Nov-99 16:41:01
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

If Profile manager is not in your Netscape folder you
can invoke it by running Netscape with the following
in the parameters field:

-profile_manager -l en_US

Cheers

Wayne

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:54:58 -0800, Alan Ianson wrote:

:>Hiya Tim,
:>
:>    Yep, Netscape 2.02 works well for me. It has no profile abilities
though, and it
:>crashes sometimes when deleting messages in my inbox. It seems to happen
when large
:>messages are moved to the trash. Although I have the 128 bit encryption
version of
:>2.02 I can't access my bank's site.. :(, so that's why I want to upgrade.
:>
:>    I have reinstalled, deleted and reinstalled and I always have the same
problem,
:>the system seems to freeze-up after the install. I can move the mouse around 
but
:>nothing is responsive. Well, I'm not to worried about it anyway since all
seems to be
:>well after reboot. Except I can't figure out how to add a new profile. Can
you tell
:>me what program and options etc are listed in your "Profile Manager" Icon?
I'll be
:>happy if I can add my wife's profile and it still works OK.. :)
:>
:> Ttyl :-),
:>             Al
:>
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: martin.brown@pandora.be                           26-Nov-99 10:12:09
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Can I still buy OS/2 Warp Connect v3.0 ?

From: Martin Brown <martin.brown@pandora.be>

thoman@verinet.com wrote:

> In <383c28ab@janitor.star.net.uk>, "Tony Haley"
<thaley@bluechiptechnology.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >Can anyone help point me in the direction of a reliable supplier who can
> >deliver this?
>
>         If you mean reliable as in reliable supply for further purchases,
no.

> IBM has withdrawn Warp Connect (and all other flavors of OS/2 version
> 3) from sales & support.

Why do you specifically want to run Warp 3.0 now ??

Do you have some specific applications that are broken by the improvements in
Warp 4 ?

Regards,
Martin Brown

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From: bv@opera.no                                       26-Nov-99 11:25:06
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

> It's still a very strange assessment.  The degree to which
> OS/2 1.3 coincided with W3.x -- if it was two years, which I
> don't believe it was -- means we're talking about W3.0, and
> who in their right mind could say that feeble abomination
> "could multitask DOS sessions with ample memory and
> surprisingly good task protection"?

That depends as much on the agenda of the mind in question as
on the rightness, does it not?

Of course the best you can say about the statement is that it is
highly misinformed. Even OS/2 1.2 performed much better than
both its contemporary Windows 386 and the later Windows 3.0.
I was running OS/2 1.2 on a 10MHz 286 and Windows 386 on a
16MHz 386 at that time, and the OS/2 system was better in all
respects. Even though it could only run one DOS program at a time,
that program could be Windows or some other window manager.
And, surprise, they worked better under OS/2 because they got all
of the meagre 640kB of DOS memory since OS/2 handled all the device
drivers and other system overhead. In a network, that was the difference
between 200kB and 500+ kB available to the application.

I'll admit that Windows 386 multitasked DOS programs "surprisingly well".
We were surprised that it worked at all, knowing what Windows looked
like on the inside. And it DID multitask DOS programs much better than
it managed to do with Windows programs - which is not really saying much.


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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               26-Nov-99 03:57:24
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:25:13 +0100, Bj rn Vermo wrote:

>> It's still a very strange assessment.  The degree to which
>> OS/2 1.3 coincided with W3.x -- if it was two years, which I
>> don't believe it was -- means we're talking about W3.0, and
>> who in their right mind could say that feeble abomination
>> "could multitask DOS sessions with ample memory and
>> surprisingly good task protection"?
>
>That depends as much on the agenda of the mind in question as
>on the rightness, does it not?
>
>Of course the best you can say about the statement is that it is
>highly misinformed.

I must say that I am disappointed that everybody pays attention ONLY on this
one thing in his article and ignored the main theme of the article.   
Driving a BMW we all are but that doesn't mean we are outcasted.    The
article concluded that OS/2 can still be applied in areas where it makes
sense - including those of us that choosed to stay with it.


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             26-Nov-99 13:23:13
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Re: Putting an OS/2 HDD into a Win98 machine

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:24:07, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) 
wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:16:20 +1300, Nick Rennie <nrennie@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> > I currently have two computers - one with Win98, one with Win98 & OS/2
> > on it, on separate hard drives (2 drives, not one partitioned drive).
> > I want to move the OS/2 drive to the Win98 only machine (its the newer

> It should be possible, but it might be a headache.  
 
> First, if the two machines don't have the same video cards, you must
> remember to reset OS/2 to basic VGA drivers before you do the swap.

This is really the most serious concern.
 
> Second, you should uninstall (recommended) or comment out (if you know
> what you're doing) OS/2 device drivers for any hardware that's not in the
> target machine.

Device driver for devices not found simply won't be loaded after
announcing and pausing processing of config.sys
 
> Third, you should probably hope that the drive letters will be the same
> from OS/2's point of view once it gets put into the new box.  If OS/2 was
> D: in the old machine, it should be D: in the new machine.  Otherwise, it
> probably won't know where to find all your desktop settings, etc.

Even if the drive letter has changed, manually editing config.sys from
boot disks and doing makeini will work 90% of the time.  If not,
creating partitions or resizing and combining with PMagic will solve
that problem.
  
> Your best bet is if the two machines have completely identical hardware.
> If they're not the same, backing up your data and reinstalling OS/2 might
> be easier.

If you just want to plug it in and boot up.  I've gone through the
above process several times. It usually is not that big of a deal.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com
 

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      26-Nov-99 14:49:19
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 > PC Week also said OS/2 failed because it was 16 bit and Win3.1 was 32 
 > bit.
 >
 >That isn't exactly what Peter wrote. He said "Windows 3.x that exploited
the
 >32-bit 386 architecture". You can read it here complete and see for
yourself.
 >
 >Analysis: Jackson's ruling reflects serious misunderstandings
 >By Peter Coffee, PC Week Online 
 >November 5, 1999 9:23 PM ET
 >
 >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1018027,00.html

 It's still a very strange assessment.  The degree to which

Not really strange IMO (on a technical point), but I think it's a very small
thing who IMO is perhaps not that important in the large picture.

So I don't really agree with Coffee by submitting this link, just as a proof
to my quote that he didn't say what the previous poster (incorrectly) claimed.

 OS/2 1.3 coincided with W3.x -- if it was two years, which I
 don't believe it was -- means we're talking about W3.0, and

The article doesn't mention, but in addition you had OS/2 1.0 and Win 2.1/386
for some years before that (but as I said above, I don't care too much about
that point he makes -- and OS/2 1.x was a real system who was *much* better at
running OS/2 apps than Windows/DOS ever has been at running Windows apps).

 Particularly -- if you want to talk about exploiting 32-bit
 386 architecture -- in light of how much farther ahead Warp
 2.1 was than WfW a year or two later.  

And NT 3.1 was even *more* 32-bit than OS/2 2.1 a year or two later.
 
But still -- I don't care too much about even that fact either (I care it
while running system on processors optimized for 32-bit, but not in the sense
if the DOJ was correct or not).

 I don't really wish to engage in a debate.  But one thing

I agree. It's impossible to say anything if it was a monopoly or not by such
OS technical discussions who is IMO totally irrelevant in that case.

I personally see it from a pure ideologic and philosophical level.

 sheer injustice being done to this magnificent corporation:
 Microsoft appeared before a Federal judge with a hacked
 videotape -- a piece of falsified evidence, the intent of
 which was to controvert what was by MS's own contention one
 of the (if not the) pivotal issue in the case.  It's the

That's a false myth spread by people like you and others (who perhaps does
that because you are obsessed with hating Microsoft).

For the fact behind this myth see:

 nature of an enormous case against an enormous company that

Not bigger than IBM and many other companies (if you think that's of any
relevance to if they should be treated with justice or not, which I absolutely
think not -- everyone should be treated fairly in the court *regardless* if
your a small business or a very large one -- even if it's popular among some
people to hate large companies on a general basis).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.5: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K 
:)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn     
home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn/kw

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From: salvador_amoros@teleline.es                       26-Nov-99 13:58:27
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Pen Programming Guide needed for PMM

From: salvador_amoros@teleline.es


Thanks for the encouraging mails to everybody, I'll keep enhancing PMM.

I'm the author of PMM, at
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/dev/util/pmm100.zip.
I will interpret the OS/2 pen messages in the next release.
Anyone can send me the "Pen for OS/2 Programming Guide and Reference",
found in the "Pen for OS/2 Warp Toolkit"?

Any information where the file can be downloaded would be useful also.

Thanks in advance.  Regards from Barcelona,


J. Salvador Amors


No spam, please.  Fix the address to reply: salvador_amoros (at)
teleline (dot) es


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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    25-Nov-99 13:11:19
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

It's an "old saying" here in the US. I don't even know if the company
still exists, or if they still make the product, but the reference is
to "Carter's Liver Pills" ... supposedly a cure-all for anyone with
any sort of liver dysfunction and/or disease, hence the term "More
<insert-item-here> than Carter has Liver Pills".

It was updated, briefly, in the 70's when Jimmy Carter, a Peanut
Farmer from Georgia, was elected President of the United States, to
"More <insert-item-here> than Carter has Peanuts".

Basically, it means that there is a  LOT of whatever item is inserted
into the phrase.

In article <383D391B.4B2E7AFA@opera.no>,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no> wrote:
>Esther Schindler wrote:
>
>> ... Paul Allen's Vulcan Ventures was
>> already an investor in Softbank, which owns more technology firms than
>> Carter has little liver pills. (Softbank also owns or has a
>> controlling interest in Kingston Memory, for instance.)
>>
>
>For those of us who kind of understand what you're driving at but do not
>hear the ringing of bells: What are "little liver pills"? Is it something
>elderly statemen in the US have a habit of? Or does it hint at a previous
>drinking habit (which is not too good for the liver)?
>
>

--
**************************************************************
*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
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From: DCritel@ATTGlobal.net                             26-Nov-99 09:29:21
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: Dave Critelli <DCritel@ATTGlobal.net>

I was thinking about picking up a Hauppauge TV card for my PC and was
wondering which Hauppauge cards everyone was using successfully with
Warp?

Thanks.
Dave


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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           26-Nov-99 15:13:07
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Re: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:29:42, Dave Critelli <DCritel@ATTGlobal.net> 
wrote:

> I was thinking about picking up a Hauppauge TV card for my PC and was
> wondering which Hauppauge cards everyone was using successfully with
> Warp?
> 
I've got two

Model 401 - TV, FM Radio, DBX stereo
Model 400 - TV Monaural

Both work fine with the drivers from 

http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv/download.htm

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        26-Nov-99 15:24:02
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Re: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:13:14 GMT, Lorne Sunley <lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> > I was thinking about picking up a Hauppauge TV card for my PC and was
> > wondering which Hauppauge cards everyone was using successfully with
> > Warp?
> > 
> I've got two
> 
> Model 401 - TV, FM Radio, DBX stereo
> Model 400 - TV Monaural

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Model 404 is the monaural version.
Model 400 is TV w/ DBX Stereo but no radio.  Isn't that right?

Incidentally (for original poster), I have a Model 400, and it works with
the drivers below.  (As well as any of them do, anyway.) 

> Both work fine with the drivers from 
> http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv/download.htm

"Fine" is a relative term, of course.  The drivers are still beta, so
YMMV - and configuring them, while not too difficult, isn't exactly
trivial either.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: burleigh@indiana.edu                              26-Nov-99 11:25:00
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Re: Oracle 8 available for OS/2?

From: Frank Burleigh <burleigh@indiana.edu>

Looks that way.  When Sybase began to roll out its 'smaller' Adaptive
Server Anywhere I asked about OS/2 and Netware ports; someone said those
would come 'later.'  I think the Netware port of now available but not a
mention of OS/2.

Disappointing.

I had two boxes with OS/2 on them; yesterday I installed Linux on one of
them so I can work with Oracle.  Who are we to interrupt IBM as it
busies itself killing off OS/2.

Grrr.

Thanks, everyone.

John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> In <383d36d8$1$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>, "Ivan Adzhubei"
<ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> writes:
> >In <xgxargynofbet.flrgbs0.pminews@news.aart.ch>, on 11/25/99
> >   at 10:57 AM, "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:
> >
> >>>I think I remember a post to warpcast some months ago announcing the
> >>>availability of Oracle's db server for OS/2, but now I can't find such a
> >>>post.  I'm a developer and would like to download a copy, in the same
> >>>way I can download it for win, netware or linux.  Thanks.
> >
> >>I think I saw another posting later on www.os2.org and they wrote that
> >>there is no version 8 for OS/2. Search for Oracle on os2.org
> >
> >Oracle 8.1.5 Enterprise Edition for OS/2 is listed as available on one
> >single page all across the Oracle Web sites, namely, "Platform
> >Availability" table. It is there for almost one year now. Absolutely no
> >any other mentioning of Oracle 8 for OS/2 anywhere else on Oracle sites.
> >Even IBM OS/2 platform as a whole was removed from a list of supported
> >platforms some time ago. Oracle did not answer to my numerous e-mail
> >enquiries about Oracle 8 for OS/2 availability either. I assume this
> >"Platform Availability" note was a typing error of the person who prepared
> >this particular web page :((.
> 
> Maybe if sufficient people ask for v8 they will produce one.
> 
> I recently got an offer of an upgrade from v7.3 which I haven't replied to
> yet. I'd like to ask them what they have available as an upgrade option and
> whether they would be prepared to provide a free copy of NT.
> 
> As far as I can see my only available upgrade path is from Oracle to DB2.
> 
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Ivan
> >
> >--
> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> --
> John

-- 
Frank Burleigh
Indiana University School of Law
Bloomington, IN 47405
burleigh@indiana.edu 812-855-9170

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               26-Nov-99 11:28:27
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Re: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:29:42 -0500, Dave Critelli wrote:

>I was thinking about picking up a Hauppauge TV card for my PC and was
>wondering which Hauppauge cards everyone was using successfully with
>Warp?

I used it to demonstrate a new application at WarpStock.   Works great.

>
>Thanks.
>Dave
>
>



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From: IHateSPAM@montypython.org                         26-Nov-99 11:39:02
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: Re: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: "Larry Belan" <IHateSPAM@montypython.org>

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:24:05 GMT, Alex Taylor wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:13:14 GMT, Lorne Sunley <lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> > > I was thinking about picking up a Hauppauge TV card for my PC and was
> > > wondering which Hauppauge cards everyone was using successfully with
> > > Warp?
> > > 
> > I've got two
> > 
> > Model 401 - TV, FM Radio, DBX stereo
> > Model 400 - TV Monaural
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but Model 404 is the monaural version.
> Model 400 is TV w/ DBX Stereo but no radio.  Isn't that right?
> 
> Incidentally (for original poster), I have a Model 400, and it works with
> the drivers below.  (As well as any of them do, anyway.) 
> 
> > Both work fine with the drivers from 
> > http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv/download.htm
> 

I have one of the 401's (stereo and radio) and I noticed that loading the
driver causes the CD audio 'play-through' to be shut off.

Of course I could be stupid and have it hooked up backwards.  Does the cd
play-through work for either of you guys?

My other problem is that it looks like the tuner programs REQUIRE GRADD
support be installed.  Since I'm running an old Matrox Mill I card, I've been
waiting for the SDD release.  Any comments??
--
Larry Belan
PennState - Fayette      www.fe.psu.edu




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From: mackbw@map.com                                    26-Nov-99 11:59:17
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 14:27:21
Subj: OS/2 PowerPC

From: Mack B Wallace <mackbw@map.com>

    This is a curiosity question. I would like to see OS/2 for the Power
PC. It was available from IBM for a while, and then they pulled it. Does
anyone have a copy or first hand experience with it?
                                    Thanks



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From: rwc@coastnet.com                                  26-Nov-99 09:12:26
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Quicktime & OS/2

From: Charles Cohen <rwc@coastnet.com>

I have the Quicktime plugin ready and waiting to use but when I choose
the file wahtever.mov from nba.com I get the plugin loaded but no movie
plays and the forward button just beeps....any ideas why this is
happening?
Chuck

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From: jim.danvers@mindex.com                            26-Nov-99 12:12:13
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: Sound Cards and OS/2 (Creative PCI 128?)

From: Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>

Hi guys...

I just installed Warp 3 (blue spine) and am trying (hoping) to get audio
running on this box - it has a Creative Labs Sound Blaster PCI 128 card in
it and I have not been able to locate any info on getting it running as
yet.  I'm dual booting this box @present w/Win95 and the audio card works
fine.

Anyone have any pointers or suggestions?

Thanks in advance....

-=- J.D. -=-


Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:35:20, rcrane@octa4.net.au (Richard A Crane)
> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone comment on the working off/difficulties in
> > getting  working any of the following: ISA AW37-3D cyrstal
> > chipset card: PCI AW230 4280 Cyrstal Chipset card; or Yamaha
> > YME744 card or Aztech 368 DSP PCI card?
> > Richard A Crane
> > Barrister & Solicitor
> > slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT
> > octa4.net.au
> > OR rcrane AT attglobal.net
>
> I have used a few AW37 cards, with good success. Go to:
> http://www.cirrus.com/drivers/audiodrv/
> to get the OS/2 driver (Use the FM driver, it works better than the WT
> driver).
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

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From: jstotz@canoemail.com                              26-Nov-99 09:14:04
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: OS2SS.com

From: James Stotz <jstotz@canoemail.com>

Does anybody know why the OS/2 Supersite has been so slow and
unreachable in the past few days?  It used to be quite quick, but now it
seems as if something is wrong.

Just curious,

James

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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            26-Nov-99 18:37:19
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: OS/2 PowerPC

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:59:35 -0500, Mack B Wallace wrote:

>    This is a curiosity question. I would like to see OS/2 for the Power
>PC. It was available from IBM for a while, and then they pulled it. Does
>anyone have a copy or first hand experience with it?

AFAIK it was never offical available because it never really worked. I heard
that Lou Gerstner stopped most of the OS/2 developement because they had so
much troubles with OS/2 Warp for PPC. Sad but true. Some people do have a
beta of it but unfortunately I'm not one of them :)

cu

Adrian


---
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@ OS/2 Netlabs

ICQ: 22419590
ktk@netlabs.org
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From: bandyo_nospam@all.wam.umd.edu                     26-Nov-99 15:03:27
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: Internet connection

From: Sushenjit Bandyopadhyay <bandyo_nospam@all.wam.umd.edu>

I have a similar problem with the PPP internet connection.  After a 
few days of dialup working perfectly, one day it would stop working.  
I think its a router problem, but I don't know how to fix it.  A 
reboot does it, but there has to be a better way.  When the problem 
occurs, a 
"netstat -ar"  gives the following result:

[E:\]netstat -ar

  destination         router          netmask   refcnt   use  flags  
snmp intrf
                                                                     
metric
        default     128.8.3.105         0.0.0.0    0      110  UG      
 0  ppp0
      127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255    0     5484  UH      
 0  lo
    128.8.3.105     128.8.23.30 255.255.255.255    1        0  UH      
 0  ppp0

addr            0.0.0.0 interface 10 mask 0  broadcast            
0.0.0.0
addr        128.8.23.30 interface 10 mask ffff0000  broadcast        
128.8.3.105
addr          127.0.0.1 interface 0 mask ff000000  broadcast          
127.0.0.1


the fourth line with addr  0.0.0.0 gets added when the problem occurs. 
How do I correct this?

Thank you in advance.

Sushenjit

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 11-25-99, 5:35:00 AM, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote 
regarding Re: Internet connection:


> E-Mailed and Posted

> The PPP program executes up a "default" route command
> for the "gateway/router" address it gets from the ISP
> when it connects.

> I think this causes some problems when a "default" route
> is also defined for the local LAN TCP/IP setup.

> After you are connected to your ISP type netstat -r
> in an OS/2 window and see what your defined routes
> are. You can use netstat -r > xxx.txt to write it to
> a file.

> Let me know what the result is and what the "default"
> and "net" route settings in your TCP/IP netbook are.

> Lorne





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From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com                           26-Nov-99 22:19:22
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com (George Czerw)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:13:14, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) 
wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:29:42, Dave Critelli <DCritel@ATTGlobal.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I was thinking about picking up a Hauppauge TV card for my PC and was
> > wondering which Hauppauge cards everyone was using successfully with
> > Warp?
> > 
> I've got two
> 
> Model 401 - TV, FM Radio, DBX stereo
> Model 400 - TV Monaural
> 
> Both work fine with the drivers from 
> 
> http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv/download.htm
> 
> --
> 
> Lorne Sunley
> 

Lorne,

I'm a little confused.  I, too, have been thinking of getting a 
Hauppauge 40.  But when I looked at the website, I wasn't sure which 
of the drivers to get.  How can one tell whether the card merits the 
Celebrity or the HighQ driver package?

George

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From: agi@direct.ca                                     26-Nov-99 14:19:25
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Alan Ianson <agi@direct.ca>

Thanks for your responses Tim. It's working now. I'm not sure what's up with
the install,
it simply won't create the desktop objects in the folder after install. Well,
I do see the
netscape folder and a Communicator icon on the desktop after install, but at
that point my
computer is frozen (seemingly) and after rebooting I only have an empty
netscape folder.
It's working now anyway so I'm a happy camper. Thanks again!

Tim Martin wrote:

> Alan Ianson wrote:
>
> > Hiya Tim,
> >
> >     Yep, Netscape 2.02 works well for me. It has no profile abilities
though, and it
> > crashes sometimes when deleting messages in my inbox. It seems to happen
when large
> > messages are moved to the trash. Although I have the 128 bit encryption
version of
> > 2.02 I can't access my bank's site.. :(, so that's why I want to upgrade.
> >
> >     I have reinstalled, deleted and reinstalled and I always have the same 
problem,
> > the system seems to freeze-up after the install. I can move the mouse
around but
> > nothing is responsive. Well, I'm not to worried about it anyway since all
seems to be
> > well after reboot. Except I can't figure out how to add a new profile.
>
> The easiest way would be to copy your own profile folder
> (found in the /NETSCAPE/USERS subdirectory) and give it
> her name.
>
> > Can you tell me what program and options etc are listed in your "Profile
> > Manager" Icon? I'll be happy if I can add my wife's profile and it still
works
>
> When Profile Manager is started a menu box pops up
> announcing what it is and asking directing you to click
> the 'next' button if you'd like to add an additional profile.
> Clicking next button gives you another menu telling you
> it is about to create a new profile and asks you to insert
> a profile nickname and a profile account name.
>
> The profile nickname is used as the folder (or subdirectory)
> name, which is placed in the USERS directory.  The profile
> account name of the person the profile is created for.  This
> can be changed in the preference settings once the new
> profile is opened.   If you use a copy of your own profile
> and rename it something else (your wife's name), her version
> will contain all of your settings.  She should then go in and
> adjust those settings to reflect her own. (Email name, servers,
> fonts, etc).  That's all there is to it.
>
> To get Communicator to find that new or additional manually
> created profile you'd probably have to:
>
> Shut down Communicator and reinstall Communicator
> OVER your current version.  That reinstall should invoke
> the profile manager menu once Communicator is started
> because it will find two profiles and won't know which
> profile should be started.
>
> The profile manager works very much the same way a
> boot manager menu does for starting separate operating
> systems.  A menu pops up and asks which profile would
> you like to start and offers a list of profiles.
>
> If the above fails you may want to contact one of the
> IBM Netscape team members directly and seek out
> their personal advice.  You could try emailing:
>
> Jeffrey S. Kobal <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>
> or
> Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>
>
> (Remove the NOSPAM, of course)
>
> >  Ttyl :-),
> >              Al
>
> Tim...


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             26-Nov-99 22:26:12
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: Sound Cards and OS/2 (Creative PCI 128?)

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:12:27, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> wrote:

> I just installed Warp 3 (blue spine) and am trying (hoping) to get audio
> running on this box - it has a Creative Labs Sound Blaster PCI 128 card in
> it and I have not been able to locate any info on getting it running as
> yet.  I'm dual booting this box @present w/Win95 and the audio card works
> fine.
 
> Anyone have any pointers or suggestions?

I doubt that this will help you but I found a solution to one aspect of
running two audio cards with windozes98 and OS/2 (W31 and Linux too).

I have two sets of amplified speakers.  So I can use to two output lines
(front and rear) of a SoundBlaster Live under W98.  I use a PAS16 for
OS/2. The problem was playing audio CD's under the different os's.

Solution: My CDROM has a digital out and an analog out.  I use the
digital out for the SBLive and the analog out for the PAS16.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           26-Nov-99 17:36:15
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <bp3t3sclfrtcdcs47kp92p82g5fqnh580m@news.kraftwerk.net>, on 11/26/99 at
02:49 PM,
   Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> said:

>  sheer injustice being done to this magnificent corporation: 
> Microsoft appeared before a Federal judge with a hacked  videotape -- a
> piece of falsified evidence, the intent of  which was to controvert
> what was by MS's own contention one  of the (if not the) pivotal issue
> in the case.  It's the

> That's a false myth spread by people like you and others (who perhaps
> does that because you are obsessed with hating Microsoft).

I seem to remember that Judge Penfield commented to that effect in his
Findings of Fact. Perhaps I am wrong. In any event he certainly did
comment on the unbelievable testimony of one William Gates, III.

> For the fact behind this myth see:

You didn't give any reference. Perhaps because you cannot!


--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: fheitka@ibm.net                                   26-Nov-99 18:09:03
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:05
Subj: tcl/tk for OS/2?

From: Frederick Heitkamp <fheitka@ibm.net>

Is there any?

My searches came up negative.

Fred


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From: tstreet@excel.net                                 26-Nov-99 15:38:09
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:06
Subj: Re: Sound Cards and OS/2 (Creative PCI 128?)

From: tom <tstreet@excel.net>


Jim Danvers wrote:

> Hi guys...
>
> I just installed Warp 3 (blue spine) and am trying (hoping) to get audio
> running on this box - it has a Creative Labs Sound Blaster PCI 128 card in
> it and I have not been able to locate any info on getting it running as
> yet.  I'm dual booting this box @present w/Win95 and the audio card works
> fine.
>
> Anyone have any pointers or suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance....
>
> -=- J.D. -=-

Good luck, unless it comes with OS/2 drivers you are
out of luck.  There are very few PCI devices that
comes with them.

Tom Street
920-693-2824

   S E M C O
         Street Electric Manufacturing Company
      Mfg. of the QuadJoy mouse for quadriplegics
      and people with high mobility impairments.

         see it at  http://www.quadjoy.com


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               26-Nov-99 21:43:11
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:06
Subj: Re: OS/2 PowerPC

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:59:35, Mack B Wallace <mackbw@map.com> wrote:
|  This is a curiosity question. I would like to see OS/2 for the Power
| PC. It was available from IBM for a while, and then they pulled it. Does
| anyone have a copy or first hand experience with it?

Not directly. The folks at Sundial had a version of Relish running on 
OS/2 for the PowerPC,  and they gave me a demo at Comdex, one year.

As I recall, it didn't work any differently than the version of OS/2 
that you know and love. Somewhat faster, at least according to 
Randell, but if I remember right the UI was the same.

IBM did release OS/2 for the PowerPC... stripped down to the bare 
minimum, and available only if you "contacted your IBM sales rep."

--Esther


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From: wishicould@dontlikespam.com                       26-Nov-99 16:04:15
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:06
Subj: low level hard drive format

From: "Daniel" <wishicould@dontlikespam.com>

ahoy,
	Is there such at thing as a os/2 program for doing a low level format
of a hard disk?
	I want to return the hard disk to the way it was from the factory
(with out the win of course).  That includes mbr, etc. etc.
	It is a Champ 2gig hard drive, by JTS corporation.
sugestions?
Daniel


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               26-Nov-99 22:03:18
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:06
Subj: Re: PC Week - Peter Coffee

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

That's far from a complete list, uno. For instance, it leaves out 
reviews like

http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/issue/0,4537,393559,00.html and 
http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/issue/0,4537,349791,00.html

Plus, it's silly to measure the number of OS/2 articles in S@R to the 
number in an OS/2 specific magazine, online or otherwise. (I like to 
think that _extended attributes_, a print magazine devoted to OS/2 
that's published by the Phoenix OS/2 Society, does a pretty good job, 
too. And I write at *least* one article a month for extended 
attributes, if not more.) That's like comparing the number of reviews 
in S@R for Web development tools to the number of such reviews in Web 
Developer Magazine. One publication is devoted to a single topic; the 
other is not.

Incidentally, Peter and I have known one another personally for at 
least ten years. I need your analysis of his motivations, especially 
when you've never so much as talked to the guy.

--Esther

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:31:00, uno@40th.com (uno@40th.com) wrote:

| 
| Esther Schindler? (esther@bitranch.com?) wrote (25 Nov 1999 03:21:58 GMT):
| >And, for the record, none of that has ever affected the way I do my 
| >job -- which does include writing about OS/2 products, when the 
| >opportunity presents itself.
| 
| Here's a near-complete list on OS2 from ES/SR, going back to
| March '98 or so:
| 
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2140718,00.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/issue/0,4537,407550,00.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/breaking/980601/980605l.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2222369,00.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/column/0,4712,396303,00.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2326830,00.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/issues/980720/339060.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2160408,00.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2144900,00.html
| 
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/breaking/971124/971124e.html
|  http://www.zdnet.com/sr/letters/971202a.html
| 
| For me, a single, previous issue of os2ezine (can it be saved by
| the bell?) had more -useable- stuff regarding OS2.  ES, consider
| writing for os2ezine, where you can 'really' write what you think
| of OS2 any time you want, rather than just when it presents it-
| self.  Besides, I hear they're always looking for talent.  Why
| not do them a favor?  Can you spare an article or two a month?
| 
| As for Peter Coffee, this thread's subject, he's seems to doing
| what Jerry Richnelle did with OS2 -- turning it over and seeing
| what falls out.  He'll forget about OS2 soon enough (or, new
| subject: Where Has Petter Coffee Been the Past Five Years?).
| 


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From: agi@direct.ca                                     26-Nov-99 14:13:20
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 19:59:06
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.61 install problems

From: Alan Ianson <agi@direct.ca>

Thank you very much Wayne. I have my second profile running now and I'll
create an object
for the profile manager in my Netscape folder.. :)

Wayne Bickell wrote:

> If Profile manager is not in your Netscape folder you
> can invoke it by running Netscape with the following
> in the parameters field:
>
> -profile_manager -l en_US
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne
>
> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:54:58 -0800, Alan Ianson wrote:
>
> :>Hiya Tim,
> :>
> :>    Yep, Netscape 2.02 works well for me. It has no profile abilities
though, and it
> :>crashes sometimes when deleting messages in my inbox. It seems to happen
when large
> :>messages are moved to the trash. Although I have the 128 bit encryption
version of
> :>2.02 I can't access my bank's site.. :(, so that's why I want to upgrade.
> :>
> :>    I have reinstalled, deleted and reinstalled and I always have the same 
problem,
> :>the system seems to freeze-up after the install. I can move the mouse
around but
> :>nothing is responsive. Well, I'm not to worried about it anyway since all
seems to be
> :>well after reboot. Except I can't figure out how to add a new profile. Can 
you tell
> :>me what program and options etc are listed in your "Profile Manager" Icon? 
I'll be
> :>happy if I can add my wife's profile and it still works OK.. :)
> :>
> :> Ttyl :-),
> :>             Al
> :>
> :>
> :>
>
> ******************************************************
> Wayne Bickell
> Tokyo, Japan
> wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
> ******************************************************
>            Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
>   Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
> ******************************************************



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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   26-Nov-99 05:22:10
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: IBM Coordinated Logon Client

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>

Hello Markus,

are BackupDomainControllers running ?
The errors may be caused by a BDC not in in sync with the PDC.

Bye/2
Meinolf

Markus Stimpfl wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> we use the "IBM Coordinated Logon Client 4.2.3" since about 2 years to
> logon from our NT 4.0 Clients to our OS/2 Server (Warp Server SMP).
> Since about 1 month we have problems with the NT Clients to logon to the
> OS/2 Domain. The first logon fails most times:
> "Your access to the server has been denied. Access is not permittet at
> this time of day or your account may have eypired".
> 
> When we logoff and logon a second time everything works fine. In some
> cases not all logon assignments are available.
> 
> thanks a lot
> Markus

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          27-Nov-99 07:49:14
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:24:05 GMT, Alex Taylor wrote:

:>Incidentally (for original poster), I have a Model 400, and it works with
:>the drivers below.  (As well as any of them do, anyway.) 
:>
:>> Both work fine with the drivers from 
:>> http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv/download.htm
:>
:>"Fine" is a relative term, of course.  The drivers are still beta, so
:>YMMV - and configuring them, while not too difficult, isn't exactly
:>trivial either.

I have a model 400 and I usually have to boot to BeOS or NT to
use it. I never was able to get it to work with my ATI card and the
GRADD drivers and I still can't get it to work with my new G400.
The only way I can get any sound out of it in Warp is if I run the
IBM Video IN recorder before starting YADTV.

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     26-Nov-99 23:40:12
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: low level hard drive format

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:04:30, "Daniel" <wishicould@dontlikespam.com> 
wrote:

> ahoy,
> 	Is there such at thing as a os/2 program for doing a low level format
> of a hard disk?
> 	I want to return the hard disk to the way it was from the factory
> (with out the win of course).  That includes mbr, etc. etc.
> 	It is a Champ 2gig hard drive, by JTS corporation.
> sugestions?
> Daniel
> 
> 
Modern Hard drives don't allow you to Low-level format them.  There's 
no need.  I believe FDISK /NEWMBR will recreate your MBR.  I've never 
tried it myself.

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     26-Nov-99 23:41:23
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: Help me==>   SOLVED  <==  EA DATA.SF.....245MEG

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:16:30, goober@snit.com (Mr. Ho Ke Dokie) wrote:

> OK, first of all, thank you for all your help and responces.  
> I do appreciate it.
> 
> CHKDSK didn't fix much.
> 
> The next thing I did was rename EA DATA. SF to another name and move
> it to another drive.  I have now been running OS/2 and programs whithin it
> with no problem at all.  I'll leave the renamed file on the other HD for a
> while yet but if I see no problem at all, I'll deleta that 245 Meg PIG.
> 
I'd recommend you run CHKDSK on that drive.

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     26-Nov-99 23:54:06
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: Sound Cards and OS/2 (Creative PCI 128?)

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:12:27, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

> Hi guys...
> 
> I just installed Warp 3 (blue spine) and am trying (hoping) to get audio
> running on this box - it has a Creative Labs Sound Blaster PCI 128 card in
> it and I have not been able to locate any info on getting it running as
> yet.  I'm dual booting this box @present w/Win95 and the audio card works
> fine.
> 
> Anyone have any pointers or suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance....
> 
> -=- J.D. -=-
> 
> 
Creative released the source code to the Linux SB:Live drivers so it 
should be possible to port it to OS/2.  Any volunteers?

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           27-Nov-99 00:07:05
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: Internet connection

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

If there is a route you want to delete you can use
the "route" command to delete it.

I have no idea if this will work, but it's worth a try.

The syntax can be displayed by typing "route -?"

Lorne Sunley

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:03:54, Sushenjit Bandyopadhyay 
<bandyo_nospam@all.wam.umd.edu> wrote:

> I have a similar problem with the PPP internet connection.  After a 
> few days of dialup working perfectly, one day it would stop working.  
> I think its a router problem, but I don't know how to fix it.  A 
> reboot does it, but there has to be a better way.  When the problem 
> occurs, a 
> "netstat -ar"  gives the following result:
> 
> [E:\]netstat -ar
> 
>   destination         router          netmask   refcnt   use  flags  
> snmp intrf
>                                                                      
> metric
>         default     128.8.3.105         0.0.0.0    0      110  UG      
>  0  ppp0
>       127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255    0     5484  UH      
>  0  lo
>     128.8.3.105     128.8.23.30 255.255.255.255    1        0  UH      
>  0  ppp0
> 
> addr            0.0.0.0 interface 10 mask 0  broadcast            
> 0.0.0.0
> addr        128.8.23.30 interface 10 mask ffff0000  broadcast        
> 128.8.3.105
> addr          127.0.0.1 interface 0 mask ff000000  broadcast          
> 127.0.0.1
> 
> 
> the fourth line with addr  0.0.0.0 gets added when the problem occurs. 
> How do I correct this?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Sushenjit
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> 
> On 11-25-99, 5:35:00 AM, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote 
> regarding Re: Internet connection:
> 
> 
> > E-Mailed and Posted
> 
> > The PPP program executes up a "default" route command
> > for the "gateway/router" address it gets from the ISP
> > when it connects.
> 
> > I think this causes some problems when a "default" route
> > is also defined for the local LAN TCP/IP setup.
> 
> > After you are connected to your ISP type netstat -r
> > in an OS/2 window and see what your defined routes
> > are. You can use netstat -r > xxx.txt to write it to
> > a file.
> 
> > Let me know what the result is and what the "default"
> > and "net" route settings in your TCP/IP netbook are.
> 
> > Lorne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


--

Lorne Sunley

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           27-Nov-99 00:10:01
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:19:44, gczerw@home.No-Spam.com (George Czerw) 
wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:13:14, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:29:42, Dave Critelli <DCritel@ATTGlobal.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I was thinking about picking up a Hauppauge TV card for my PC and was
> > > wondering which Hauppauge cards everyone was using successfully with
> > > Warp?
> > > 
> > I've got two
> > 
> > Model 401 - TV, FM Radio, DBX stereo
> > Model 400 - TV Monaural
> > 
> > Both work fine with the drivers from 
> > 
> > http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv/download.htm
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Lorne Sunley
> > 
> 
> Lorne,
> 
> I'm a little confused.  I, too, have been thinking of getting a 
> Hauppauge 40.  But when I looked at the website, I wasn't sure which 
> of the drivers to get.  How can one tell whether the card merits the 
> Celebrity or the HighQ driver package?
> 
> George

Posted and E-Mailed

George,

The PCI based cards models 400, 401, 404 all use the
Wincast/TV driver version 1.041W.

The Celebrity and HighQ are ISA based cards, hard to find
and apparently quite expensive. The HighQ is supposed to
be a "professional" card for capture and multiple feed
editing (I think).

All the others are PCI cards and have either a BT848
chip or BT878 chip. These all use the Wincast/TV driver.

I had made a mistake with the model numbers

400 - Stereo TV
401 - Stereo TV and FM radio

These are the two I've seen in stores the most often.

There is a new card, and I don't remember the model
that is capable of handling the new digital TV signals.

AFAIK, the OS/2 drivers for this have not been worked
on very much, if at all. It may work with the current
OS/2 drivers because it does have a BT878 chip in
it, which is also present in the regular TV models
400, 401, 404 etc.


--

Lorne Sunley

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From: whishIcould@dontlikespam.com                      26-Nov-99 19:22:12
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: low level hard drive format

From: "Daniel" <whishIcould@dontlikespam.com>

thanks, I'll give /newmbr a try!   and even though it was not my original
reason to try to do a lowlevel format, I discovered I have a virus on my mbr.
 Mcafee said that it found a NYB virus on my mbr and boot sector.   Would it
have anything to do with just getting over a fight with Corel Linux over my
mbr?   That is corel decided to stick it's stuff their so I had to run lilo
-v I think, to get boot manager back.
Daniel

On 26 Nov 1999 23:40:24 GMT, Glen D wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:04:30, "Daniel" <wishicould@dontlikespam.com> 
>wrote:
>
>> ahoy,
>> 	Is there such at thing as a os/2 program for doing a low level format
>> of a hard disk?
>> 	I want to return the hard disk to the way it was from the factory
>> (with out the win of course).  That includes mbr, etc. etc.
>> 	It is a Champ 2gig hard drive, by JTS corporation.
>> sugestions?
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>Modern Hard drives don't allow you to Low-level format them.  There's 
>no need.  I believe FDISK /NEWMBR will recreate your MBR.  I've never 
>tried it myself.
>
>Glen D
>-<remove Z from my e-mail Address>-



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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           27-Nov-99 00:24:11
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 21:40:22
Subj: Re: Hauppauge TV card advice.

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:49:28, "Wayne Bickell" 
<wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:24:05 GMT, Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> :>Incidentally (for original poster), I have a Model 400, and it works with
> :>the drivers below.  (As well as any of them do, anyway.) 
> :>
> :>> Both work fine with the drivers from 
> :>> http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv/download.htm
> :>
> :>"Fine" is a relative term, of course.  The drivers are still beta, so
> :>YMMV - and configuring them, while not too difficult, isn't exactly
> :>trivial either.
> 
> I have a model 400 and I usually have to boot to BeOS or NT to
> use it. I never was able to get it to work with my ATI card and the
> GRADD drivers and I still can't get it to work with my new G400.
> The only way I can get any sound out of it in Warp is if I run the
> IBM Video IN recorder before starting YADTV.
> 

I can sympathize with that, my ATI 3D Rage II C card on my
WSeB machine would not work with the GRADD
drivers either. The GRADD output would only work
after I installed the SDD/2 beta 9 drivers. The Beta 11
drivers also work.

Unfortunately the G400 card I have, will not work with
the SDD/2 beta 9 or beta 11 drivers after a cold boot.
Some messing around installing the Matrox drivers,
resetting to VGA, and then installing the SDD/2 drivers
without a power off will let the SDD/2 drivers work with
the GRADD VCAFILT driver for the TV card. 

Both the model 401 and 404 cards work with the
ATI 3D Rage II C card under WSeB. The regular
IBM GRADD 80 drivers only seem to work with
the Matrox Millenium II card for the TV GRADD
output.

My brother has an ATI Rage Pro and uses the
SDD/2 beta 9 drivers with his model 404 TV card,
but the IBM GRADD 80 drivers won't work with
the VCAFILT GRADD driver for the TV card.

BTW Wayne, what kind of sound card do you have?
I've been doing some work with the YADTV application
to turn on the "line in" connection on the sound cards
but I have only been able to test it on a "Vortex 1",
a "Crystal 4235" and an old AWE64 card. The YADTV
application is a "pure" MCI application and depends
on support for the "extended mixer" commands for
MCI control of the "line in" connector.

--

Lorne Sunley

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