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From: whonea@codenet.net                                19-Nov-99 20:41:03
  To: All                                               20-Nov-99 03:28:01
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:02:25, mark davidson 
<xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx> wrote:

> you are correct.  as i'm intel-stupid, might you be able to list which
> of their chipsets does not suffer the memory caching limitation of the
> TX series?
 
That would be the blind leading the blind.  I know the TX set is 
limited to 64 meg cached and I THINK the same holds true for the FX 
series.  The (old) HX series were OK but I've lost track in the last 
few years.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: Mark Smith                                        21-Nov-99 21:59:10
  To: Whonea@Codenet.Net                                21-Nov-99 21:59:10
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations


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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         23-Nov-99 02:51:04
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:16
Subj: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,

I have a weird problem, 1-2-3, Approach,
and Freelance, all sotp working together
(I mean at about the same time), and all
have a different symptom:

1-2-3 can't find a DLL, that is there 
(as is always was)

Approach can't go any further than 
trying to load the startup  window (the 
one with the most recently opened files)

Freelance is saying that I'm out of 
memory (128Mb RAM)

I tried to re-install to whole suite, 
after the re-installation everything was
working fine, I had to re-boot, so I did
a normal shutdown and all three program 
began to behave as before I re-installed

BTW. Approach is complaning about 
PMMERGE.DLL, which is the that ship with
FP12, and was working before last week

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              23-Nov-99 00:37:09
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:17
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-c2y3dyPtmQFQ@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>, on 11/23/99

   at 02:51 AM, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) said:

Did this all break AFTER FP12 was installed?

If so, you were one of the many bitten by FP12...IBM's last great attempt
to kill off OS/2.

I think I know what happened to you though.  You have multiple problems. 
The first is FP12.  The second is that, one way or another, you had to
hard kill your box.  In doing such, one of the DLL's Lotus uses got
corrupted.  (Approach on my notebook has that problem eventhough I have
NEVER loaded it to do anything, yet WordPro runs perfectly eventhough it
has been open many many many times when FP12's wonderfull printer driver
caused me to have to hard boot.)

Boot from utility floppies created PRE FP12.  Run CHKDSK C: /F:2    Do
this twice.  Watch your error messages.  You should see one or more DLL
files in the Lotus directory tree get set to zero block size.  Corrupted
allocation entries in HPFS have a weird way of surfacing.  DLL's appear to
be fine when doing a directory, but internally they are zero blocks in
size after corruption.

Roland

>Hi guys,

>I have a weird problem, 1-2-3, Approach,
>and Freelance, all sotp working together
>(I mean at about the same time), and all
>have a different symptom:

>1-2-3 can't find a DLL, that is there 
>(as is always was)

>Approach can't go any further than 
>trying to load the startup  window (the 
>one with the most recently opened files)

>Freelance is saying that I'm out of 
>memory (128Mb RAM)

>I tried to re-install to whole suite, 
>after the re-installation everything was
>working fine, I had to re-boot, so I did
>a normal shutdown and all three program 
>began to behave as before I re-installed

>BTW. Approach is complaning about 
>PMMERGE.DLL, which is the that ship with
>FP12, and was working before last week

>//-------------------------
>Thank you in advance

>Merci a l'avance

>Martin

>http://205.237.57.73/

>ICQ #48552954
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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              23-Nov-99 00:44:29
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:17
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <F5n_3.20427$435.91771@typhoon2.tampabay.rr.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 02:37 AM, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> said:

>I'm working on putting together an AMD Athalon based system using the
>following components and wondered if any of you can verify these
>components are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device
>Driver Site, and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).

>Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

>Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
>AMD 550 Athalon CPU
>Enlight EN7237 Case with 300 Watt power supply
>Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
>Diamond Monster Sound MX300
>IBM Deskstar 22GXP (22GB Ultra 66)
>3Com Fast Etherlink XL
>Creative 48X ATAPI EIDE CD-Rom Drive


Personally I would ditch the IDE products and go full SCSI.  My
workstation at home runs a SIIG SCSI adapter which supports SCSI-1 through
Wide Scsi.  I put a pair of Wide SCSI drives (IBM and Quantum with mated
RPM's  This is important!  Make certain all your drives spin the same
speed.)  My tape drive, Syjet, and some older drives went into an external
case on the SCSI-2 chain.

After I restored my partitions from backup onto the new drive, and
installed System Commander...I was almost compelled to report a video
driver bug...until I realized the flicker was caused by an applications
attempt to toss up the "busy clock" only to complete loading before it
finished drawing.

Contrast that with my notebook.  Yes, the same one IBM can't get to boot
from an LS-120 in (except in their PC-DOS product).  It's clock is 100mhz
faster than my workstation at home.  Got the biggest, baddest 6GIG drive
available from Prostar at time of purchase.  The notebook has 128MEG of
RAM, the workstation only 64.  When applications load I get a good look at
the "busy clock".  When Netscape goes to empty its disk cache I see the
drive light run for about 5 minutes before I can do anything on the
system.

What I wouldn't give for Prostar to make one of these really wide screen
wide keyboard notebooks with SCSI components.  Instead of a "docking bay"
port in the back give me a SCSI-2 or 3 port.  Life would be good!

The new IDE stuff has a lot of PITA quirks.  If you are planning on
running System Commander and multiple OS's on your new screamer, or want
to run multiple OS's without a boot type commander, then SCSI is the real
way to do it.  You don't have to dork with Master/Slave settings.  A great
SCSI card like the SIIG will let you boot from ANY disk ID and you can
have up to 15 ID's when using the Wide SCSI chain.

Don't mix SCSI with IDE.  While Warp doesn't have a problem with this
LOOSE95 will force all devices to use their IDE drivers.  I found this out
when my Syjet drive couldn't be accessed under Loose95.  Took out the 40x
IDE CD-ROM, put back in the 8 speed SCSI CD-ROM, and presto, the SCSI
driver loaded, finding everything including my tape drive.  I don't have a
Loose98 partition on that machine so can't testify one way or the other,
but woudn't be surprised to find the same problem.

While their prices aren't always the best, I have been happy with drives
bought from scsistuff.com.  They actually know enough when you are buying
multiple drives to point out the little tweak of getting them all the same
RPM rating.

Roland



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From: nospamless@home.com                               23-Nov-99 06:04:18
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 03:21:17
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: "gH" <nospamless@home.com>

In <F5n_3.20427$435.91771@typhoon2.tampabay.rr.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 02:37 AM, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> said:

>I'm working on putting together an AMD Athalon based system using the
>following components and wondered if any of you can verify these components
>are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device Driver Site,
>and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).

>Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

>Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
>AMD 550 Athalon CPU

we currently have a special on K7M + Athlon bundle... :)
check it out at:

http://www.innovalue.com/Athlon

We will be testing the board to see if its AC97 sound system can be used
under OS/2...

>Enlight EN7237 Case with 300 Watt power supply

Seems to be a nice choice.

>Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
>Diamond Monster Sound MX300

*NEVER* buy anything from Diamond if you intend to use it under OS/2. And no
driver are available for MX300, which uses Vortex 2 chip, instead of the
Vortex 1 that have the OS/2 driver.

>IBM Deskstar 22GXP (22GB Ultra 66)
>3Com Fast Etherlink XL

Get something made with DEC/Intel's 21140 or 21143 chipset, better
performance for about 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

>Creative 48X ATAPI EIDE CD-Rom Drive

I'd recommend Lite-ON CD-ROM, they are ABSOLUTELY silent compared to most
drives... They only run at 40x, but the additional 8x is hardly noticable.

(I use a Teac 532S SCSI CD-ROM, only 32x, but it doesn't felt much different
than those 50X CD-ROMs, and more than make up for it in stability and
quietness).

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From: jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Nov-99 02:37:12
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com>

I'm working on putting together an AMD Athalon based system using the
following components and wondered if any of you can verify these components
are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device Driver Site,
and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).

Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
AMD 550 Athalon CPU
Enlight EN7237 Case with 300 Watt power supply
Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
Diamond Monster Sound MX300
IBM Deskstar 22GXP (22GB Ultra 66)
3Com Fast Etherlink XL
Creative 48X ATAPI EIDE CD-Rom Drive

TIA!
Jim Davie
jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com




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From: bv@opera.no                                       23-Nov-99 12:51:06
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Wim Wauters wrote:

>
> Yeah ! I am SCSI lover too. Unfortunatedly the SCSI harddisks are still
2.5times more
> expensive than their IDE counterparts (same RPM, cache, access time might be 
0.5ms
> lower), so I stick with IDe harddisks (only one per IDE channel).

You do not compare real counterparts here, the difference between drives of
similiar
quality is nothing near 2.5 times. A SCSI drive is usually some 50% more
expensive than
an ATA-3 drive of reasonably comparable quality. Nobody makes low-reliability
SCSI
drives, and high-reliability ATA-drives are uncommon and sell at a premium.

There may be some vendors who sell only cheap drives, and therefore get a
better wholsale
discount on the ATA-drives than on the SCSI-drives. They may profile
themselves as
"bargain stores" but actually sell SCSI-drives at a much higher price than a
more normal
store.

I just had the performance difference driven home rather brutally - I had to
copy a 3GB
ATA (Ultra 33) drive I use as a cheaper alternative to Jaz or Zip-disks onto
an Ultra 66
drive. It took fully ten times as long as it takes with my old SCSI-2 (8-bit
bus) drives
at home.


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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 23-Nov-99 10:53:01
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 10:20:09
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Jim Davie wrote:

> Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

> Asus K7M Athalon motherboard

Brilliant choice ! Has always worked for OS/2 (see > 64MB saga, aka ACPI1
versus ACPI2)

> IBM Deskstar 22GXP (22GB Ultra 66)

I'm running this hard disk with a Gigabyte GA-5AA motherboard.
In the config.sys, I have to add the following to the
BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD line:
/!SHUTDOWN, so the line looks like:

BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD /!SHUTDOWN

The reason for this shutdown option, is that after a reset or reboot (not a
powerdown/powerup) the harddisk goes into powersaving mode (i.e. spins down)
after 1 second of non-usage, so it spins up & down all the time.
This problem might be related to the combination of IBMs506 and my Ali 5
chipset, but keep this in mind.
Also, the IBMs506 driver is very slow (10seconds!) to initialize, so I use
Daniela's DaniS506.ADD without any options. Her driver initializes so fast, I
can't see it pass on the screen, i.e. < 1second.
Her driver can be found on the Hobbes archive.

OS/2 forever !

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 23-Nov-99 16:09:14
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:02
Subj: EEP ! almost forgot !!

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Jim Davie wrote:

> Thanks Wim!
>
> I was a bit concerned about the 22GB hard drive, and have already downloaded
> the DaniS506 driver!  I'm really looking forward to using the AMD 550 when
> compared to my current Pentium 200 (soon to be the kids gaming machine)!

You should know this already, but here goes: if you want to access all
harddisk
space from the start -OR- the hard disk is already partitioned beyond >8.4GB,
you need to update your OS/2 installation disks.

1) go to the online IBM driver pack, look for "updated OS/2 components",
locate,
'larger than 8.4GB support & download the 'upgrade'. You'll see it is just a
subset of IDE-related drivers from a fixpack (I guess 6, or maybe it's just
the
latest, 12).

2) don't forget to edit the config.sys file in order to copy drivers &
config.sys from floppy (i.e. not from the good old OS/2 cdrom),hence add the
following line:
set copyFromFloppy=1

That's about it I think ;-)

I hope you have access to a second machine running OS/2 in case anything goes
wrong (I'm assuming you connect from home through a modem).

Good luck ,
OS/2 forever !

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 23-Nov-99 16:19:01
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 16:44:02
Subj: Question about SMART

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Jim Davie wrote:

> Thanks Wim!

I feel better already !

> I was a bit concerned about the 22GB hard drive, and have already downloaded
> the DaniS506 driver!  I'm really looking forward to using the AMD 550 when
> compared to my current Pentium 200 (soon to be the kids gaming machine)!

I wish my 22GXP was 22GB, but it's 'only' 13GB. Still, that's enough to be
mightily annoyed by the '4-partition' limit. (i.e. 3 primaries + 1 extended).
Anyway, when my cumbersome GA-5AA boots, the BIOS tells me the Hard Disk is
SMART capable, but disabled !!
Yet, when I run the 'drive fitness test' from the IBM website
it performs SMART checks !!

Let me know if your SMART is enabled (I'm suspecting the Ali 5 again).

(Tip: download the hard disk noises from the IBM site, great WAV's !)

OS/2 forever !

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From: bv@opera.no                                       23-Nov-99 22:14:26
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Wim Wauters wrote:

>
> Well, I live in the UK, and also a bit in Belgium. And comparable drives are 
2.5times more
> expensive because they happen to have a SCSI interface. It's just product
marketing in my
> opinion.

That is extreme! But I guess that, since it is a big market, prices of
high-volume items can be
brought down more than in a smaller market.

> > Nobody makes low-reliability SCSI drives,
>
> Ever heard of the Seagate Medalist ?? (aka "dead chicken") I had 5 of those
pieces of sh*t.
>

OH - I forgot about those. And there is also Quantum, who seem to prefer speed 
over reliability
in their ATA-drives and do not know the first thing about SCSI, so they are
both "slow" and
unreliable.
The more expensive Seagate drives are usually OK (I still have an old 40MB
ST-506 type which
works), but I have never heard about a long-lived Quantum.

> The two IDE ones outlived the SCSI ones !! (4 years in stead of 2 years).
Seagate is still
> selling them in both SCSI and IDE flavor.

Tough. My old NEC 150MB 5" full-height SCSI-1 drive recently failed after
almost ten years of
continous use. The 9-year old 350MB drive is still operational.



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From: mgreene@exis.net                                  23-Nov-99 15:44:13
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@exis.net>

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:49:47 +0000, Wim Wauters wrote:

>
>
>Bj rn Vermo wrote:
>
>
>To conclude my rant:
>1) comparable hard disks should have the same price
>2) never buy a Seagate Medalist
>

You should expand #2 - never buy a Seagate.
Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net>     |      OS/2 Warp / Linux / Win95-311



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From: jonas@ipab.se                                     24-Nov-99 00:03:08
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: I cant Install Warp 4   HELP !!!!

From: "jonas persson" <jonas@ipab.se>

Hello.

I have a ACER TRAVELMATE 517TE notebook.
When I try to install OS/2 WARP 4 it just hangs after
inserted 2:nd floppy. It hangs after a while with that blue "WARP"
logo-screen still on. Seems it cant access the hard-drive or something
like that.

What am I doing wrong?  How to solve this?

Please email me if you have any suggestions at  jonas@ipab.se

Thanks,
Jonas Persson




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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 23-Nov-99 22:14:17
  To: All                                               23-Nov-99 19:58:05
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  Hello all,

  I've had the high end SCSI (for there time period) of Quantum, Seagate, IBM,
and Micropolis.  One Micropolis 4GB died 1 year+4 days due to spindle trouble.
It had to go to the company instead of ...Dirt Cheap Drives(?).  I was backed 
up and barely missed a beat.  4 weeks of living in 3.5 GB after nearly 8 was
difficult at first; that was my 'new' boot drive.  Now the Cheeta 18GB and 9GB
carry those loads.

  I've found that SCSI vs. mass interface of the day is about $100 USA more 
expensive per device.  But I do have lots of SCSI devices, all legacy drives
and an old Exabyte 5GB tape drive still work with the brand new system.
Upgrades were merely a switch of the cables, a new boot partition (sometimes)
and I was off and running.  I don't partition as much as most people seem to.
Once I've made drive its usually partitioned for life.  None of the drives
from
any maker have died, save the Micropolis.  All were space heaters for their
day and I've had to plan on extra fans and cooling issues.  Part of the joy
of building your system.

  Where SCSI shines, IMHO, is its support for multiple devices per line, and
disconnect while processing.  Any decent OS that made use of multitasking
or multiprocessing can use the power of a SCSI device.  Microsoft DOS,
Win 9X are basically single tasking OSs that couldn't really make use of
a set of SCSI devices anyway.  NT can and usually does have good drives.
The so called alternate OSs that have been around longer than the Microsoft
equivalents used these devices because they were smarter that other 
devices.  The same concept goes for WinModems, WinPrinters, and os on.
For some, the simlicity and lower cost is more important. For others, high
speed and full system utilization is more important.  For me, the price has
been well worth it.

  Today there are 19 SCSI devices hanging off my system.  Only two were
bought with the new system.  All the others are legacy. I even had to through
all my ISA cards out for the new system.  The SCSI devices work as good, if
not better than before.  SCSI was one of the great transfer methods that
still has room to grow with.  Now if scanner makers would listen to that I'ld
buy one of those too.

  Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

  David

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 23-Nov-99 19:49:13
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:03
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no> wrote:

>Wim Wauters wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, I live in the UK, and also a bit in Belgium. And comparable drives
are 2.5times more
>> expensive because they happen to have a SCSI interface. It's just product
marketing in my
>> opinion.
>
>That is extreme! But I guess that, since it is a big market, prices of
high-volume items can be
>brought down more than in a smaller market.
>
>> > Nobody makes low-reliability SCSI drives,
>>
>> Ever heard of the Seagate Medalist ?? (aka "dead chicken") I had 5 of those 
pieces of sh*t.
>>
>
>OH - I forgot about those. And there is also Quantum, who seem to prefer
speed over reliability
>in their ATA-drives and do not know the first thing about SCSI, so they are
both "slow" and
>unreliable.

Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
most well-informed opinions...

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             23-Nov-99 21:49:24
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 03:57:04
Subj: Re: I cant Install Warp 4   HELP !!!!

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

jonas persson wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I have a ACER TRAVELMATE 517TE notebook.
> When I try to install OS/2 WARP 4 it just hangs after
> inserted 2:nd floppy. It hangs after a while with that blue "WARP"
> logo-screen still on. Seems it cant access the hard-drive or something
> like that.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?  How to solve this?
> 
> Please email me if you have any suggestions at  jonas@ipab.se

The IDE driver probably isn't compatible with your disk controller. 
Replace the IBM1s506.ADD driver with the DANIS506.ADD driver available
on Hobbes at:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/system/drivers/storage/danis506.zip


> 
> Thanks,
> Jonas Persson

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From: hellwig@exp.bessy.de                              24-Nov-99 10:57:27
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: I cant Install Warp 4   HELP !!!!

From: Chris Hellwig <hellwig@exp.bessy.de>

Hi,

When the OS/2 Logo in the upper left corner appears appears during boot, 
(after Bios msgs.): Press ALT-F2. This will show the drivers loading, 
which will give you an idea, which driver made teh trouble.

Bye
  Chris


jonas persson schrieb:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I have a ACER TRAVELMATE 517TE notebook.
> When I try to install OS/2 WARP 4 it just hangs after
> inserted 2:nd floppy. It hangs after a while with that blue "WARP"
> logo-screen still on. Seems it cant access the hard-drive or something
> like that.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?  How to solve this?
> 
> Please email me if you have any suggestions at  jonas@ipab.se
> 
> Thanks,
> Jonas Persson

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Dipl.-Ing. Chris Hellwig    
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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 05:36:09
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <383a2e49$2$qnivqjrv$mr2ice@news.nvcr1.bc.wave.home.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 06:04 AM, "gH" <nospamless@home.com> said:

>We will be testing the board to see if its AC97 sound system can be used
>under OS/2...

Be sure to test it under FP12 as well, since that was the last great kiss
off from IBM.

Roland

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 05:46:23
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Athalon based OS/2 System

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <383A737C.CDDBFFA0@please.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 10:59 AM, Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com> said:



>yyyc186@flashcom.net wrote:

>> Personally I would ditch the IDE products and go full SCSI.  My
>> workstation at home runs a SIIG SCSI adapter which supports SCSI-1 through
>> Wide Scsi.  I put a pair of Wide SCSI drives (IBM and Quantum with mated
>> RPM's  This is important!  Make certain all your drives spin the same
>> speed.)  My tape drive, Syjet, and some older drives went into an external
>> case on the SCSI-2 chain.

>Yeah ! I am SCSI lover too. Unfortunatedly the SCSI harddisks are still
>2.5times more expensive than their IDE counterparts (same RPM, cache,
>access time might be 0.5ms lower), so I stick with IDe harddisks (only
>one per IDE channel). Everything else should be SCSI (orb drive, cdrom,
>cdwriter, etc...). If you have the money, Adaptec controllers are a must
>(especially if it's your first SCSI controller: they come with a fine
>manual and software (even for NT !!)). Otherwise go for Advansys/Iwill.

Personally I have found no SCSI controllers worse than Adaptec.  I refuse
to buy any product which comes bundled with an Adaptec controller because
the vendor obviously doesn't care about their customer.  Look for SIIG, or
BusLogic.

Roland

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 05:58:12
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <383B03CC.B99A028F@opera.no>, on 11/23/99 
   at 10:14 PM, Bj rn Vermo <bv@opera.no> said:

>Wim Wauters wrote:

>>
>> Well, I live in the UK, and also a bit in Belgium. And comparable drives
are 2.5times more
>> expensive because they happen to have a SCSI interface. It's just product
marketing in my
>> opinion.

>That is extreme! But I guess that, since it is a big market, prices of
>high-volume items can be brought down more than in a smaller market.

>> > Nobody makes low-reliability SCSI drives,
>>
>> Ever heard of the Seagate Medalist ?? (aka "dead chicken") I had 5 of those 
pieces of sh*t.
>>

>OH - I forgot about those. And there is also Quantum, who seem to prefer
>speed over reliability in their ATA-drives and do not know the first
>thing about SCSI, so they are both "slow" and unreliable.
>The more expensive Seagate drives are usually OK (I still have an old
>40MB ST-506 type which works), but I have never heard about a long-lived
>Quantum.

>> The two IDE ones outlived the SCSI ones !! (4 years in stead of 2 years).
Seagate is still
>> selling them in both SCSI and IDE flavor.

>Tough. My old NEC 150MB 5" full-height SCSI-1 drive recently failed
>after almost ten years of continous use. The 9-year old 350MB drive is
>still operational.

typically I buy only Quantum drives.  I have only had one cook in all the
years of buying them and that one died along with a lot of friends due to
a static problem in the office.  Quantum bought DEC's disk manufacturing
facilities after DEC got everything working correctly some years ago. 
They were a Godsend to a platform which had only Segate as its
"alternative" disk supplier for a long time.  I do now own one IBM SCSI
running the same RPM as another Quantum drive inside my workstation.  They
fly!

Roland


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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 06:04:19
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <flE_3.99463$YB4.3667046@typ12.nn.bcandid.com>, on 11/23/99 
   at 10:14 PM, DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue) said:

>  Hello all,

>  I've had the high end SCSI (for there time period) of Quantum, Seagate,
>IBM, and Micropolis.  One Micropolis 4GB died 1 year+4 days due to
>spindle trouble. It had to go to the company instead of ...Dirt Cheap
>Drives(?).  I was backed  up and barely missed a beat.  4 weeks of living
>in 3.5 GB after nearly 8 was difficult at first; that was my 'new' boot
>drive.  Now the Cheeta 18GB and 9GB carry those loads.

>  I've found that SCSI vs. mass interface of the day is about $100 USA
>more  expensive per device.  But I do have lots of SCSI devices, all
>legacy drives and an old Exabyte 5GB tape drive still work with the brand
>new system. Upgrades were merely a switch of the cables, a new boot
>partition (sometimes) and I was off and running.  I don't partition as
>much as most people seem to. Once I've made drive its usually partitioned
>for life.  None of the drives from any maker have died, save the
>Micropolis.  All were space heaters for their day and I've had to plan on
>extra fans and cooling issues.  Part of the joy of building your system.

>  Where SCSI shines, IMHO, is its support for multiple devices per line,
>and disconnect while processing.  Any decent OS that made use of
>multitasking or multiprocessing can use the power of a SCSI device. 
>Microsoft DOS, Win 9X are basically single tasking OSs that couldn't
>really make use of a set of SCSI devices anyway.  NT can and usually does
>have good drives. The so called alternate OSs that have been around
>longer than the Microsoft equivalents used these devices because they
>were smarter that other  devices.  The same concept goes for WinModems,
>WinPrinters, and os on. For some, the simlicity and lower cost is more
>important. For others, high speed and full system utilization is more
>important.  For me, the price has been well worth it.

>  Today there are 19 SCSI devices hanging off my system.  Only two were
>bought with the new system.  All the others are legacy. I even had to
>through all my ISA cards out for the new system.  The SCSI devices work
>as good, if not better than before.  SCSI was one of the great transfer
>methods that still has room to grow with.  Now if scanner makers would
>listen to that I'ld buy one of those too.

SCSI scanners have been in existence for years.  I have one gathering dust
since I bought a digital camera that records JPG direct to floppy.

Roland

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 24-Nov-99 11:04:13
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: wrapping trials

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
> you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
> characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
> most well-informed opinions...
> 
> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

Sorry about that.
I checked my settings, and netscape thought it was wrapping
at 72 characters. I've put it down a bit (60 characters
now), But as I'm typing this it seems it still isn't right.

Why do even OS/2 users need to run a windos port (sigh!) ?

OS/2 forever !

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From: reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com                 24-Nov-99 11:23:27
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com>


Bjrn Vermo wrote:
> 
> That is extreme! 
I'll pass the message ;-)
> 
> > > Nobody makes low-reliability SCSI drives,
> >
> > Ever heard of the Seagate Medalist ?? (aka "dead chicken") I had 5 of
those >pieces of sh*t.
> 
> OH - I forgot about those. And there is also Quantum, who seem to prefer
speed >over reliability
Finally somebody confirms my suspicions about Quantum,
thanks !
> in their ATA-drives and do not know the first thing about SCSI, so they are
both > "slow" and unreliable.
Yep, I can confirm their "Gee, let's run our IDE interface
on the SCSI bus" attitude. HP seems to do that as well with
their CD writers.


> > The two IDE ones outlived the SCSI ones !! (4 years in stead of 2 years). 
> > Seagate is still
> > selling them in both SCSI and IDE flavour.
> 
> Tough. My old NEC 150MB 5" full-height SCSI-1 drive recently failed after
almost > ten years of
> continuous use. The 9-year old 350MB drive is still operational.
 Great ! The oldest I have is an IDE Seagate  Medalist of 5
years !! Turns out I have (had) six medalists in total. They
seek me out it seems.
In fact I couldn't believe I had six so I pulled it out (it
sits in a tray), and guess what: it doesn't boot now
(G******d). Time to get the boot floppies out !

OS/2 forever !

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From: Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de                 24-Nov-99 13:09:24
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 10:35:07
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Frank Berke)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:42:06, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> 
wrote:

> are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device Driver Site,
> and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).
I can't remember *any* nVidia Chip working fine under OS/2, as for 
your audio card I don't know. AFAIK the only way getting an nVidia 
based video card to work is the SDD (or the slow generic GRADD), but 
even with SDD you can't access refresh rates above 60Hz. Maybe you'll 
get full support with the next beta (must be #10). If you want to 
start with your system immediately you should better look for another 
video card - Matrox is always a good choice, ATI is also partially 
supported.
On a friend's machine the Diamond (V550, 16Megs) didn't perform well 
on a VIA based motherboard Asus P5A. Diamond has a *very* lousy driver
support for its products and the only way we cured the several problem
(OGL Games didn't run in >800x600, unforeseeable crashes of OGL Games 
etc.) was installing the latest version of nVidia's reference driver, 
called Detonator. The drivers on Diamond's web site are still dated 
March 1999!!!!
Elsa, for example, spends much more efforts into its drivers, almost 
any other company except Diamond does so.
I must admit, that you won't encounter such problems, if you're not 
using Windoze, but if you don't why then buy a video card with 32 
Megs? That's the total overkill in OS/2...

Regards,
----------------------------------------------
Frank Berke, Bochum, Germany
http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/frank.berke
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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         24-Nov-99 19:53:17
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 16:50:17
Subj: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,

Roland told me how to find out if I have
a corrupted DLL in the smartsuite dirs, 
I did it but to no avail, it didn't find
any thing corrupted, so how do I get i 
back to a working state, and don't tell 
me to re-install I did it at least 4 
time already (and losing all thedekstop 
folder set-up and my smartmasters).

I can make Word Pro and Organizer to 
work but I also need Approach and 1-2-3 
nad Freelance (the most important one 
are 1-2-3 and approach for the 
administration of the bussiness)

BTW. this is version 1.1 nad Warp is 
running FP12, and they did work 
eversince FP12 got out until last week

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: yyyc186@flashcom.net                              24-Nov-99 19:27:23
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: yyyc186@flashcom.net

In <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-FdU7zY6GwuMT@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>, on 11/24/99

   at 07:53 PM, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) said:

Try running a checkini utlity to check the user and system ini files.  You
could have some dead entries.

Otherwise, backout FP12.

Roland

>Hi guys,

>Roland told me how to find out if I have
>a corrupted DLL in the smartsuite dirs, 
>I did it but to no avail, it didn't find
>any thing corrupted, so how do I get i 
>back to a working state, and don't tell 
>me to re-install I did it at least 4 
>time already (and losing all thedekstop 
>folder set-up and my smartmasters).

>I can make Word Pro and Organizer to 
>work but I also need Approach and 1-2-3 
>nad Freelance (the most important one 
>are 1-2-3 and approach for the 
>administration of the bussiness)

>BTW. this is version 1.1 nad Warp is 
>running FP12, and they did work 
>eversince FP12 got out until last week

>//-------------------------
>Thank you in advance

>Merci a l'avance

>Martin

>http://205.237.57.73/

>ICQ #48552954
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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           25-Nov-99 00:26:08
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:51:09, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
Racette) wrote:

> I tried to re-install to whole suite, 
> after the re-installation everything was
> working fine, I had to re-boot, so I did
> a normal shutdown and all three program 
> began to behave as before I re-installed

Did you have the installer modify CONFIG.SYS?  Specifically, are the 
correct entries in your PATH and LIBPATH statements?  

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      25-Nov-99 01:12:05
  To: All                                               24-Nov-99 21:17:06
Subj: Re: wrapping trials

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Wim Wauters [Sirius Cybernetics Corporation] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 > Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
 > you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
 > characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
 > most well-informed opinions...

 Sorry about that.
 I checked my settings, and netscape thought it was wrapping
 at 72 characters. I've put it down a bit (60 characters
 now), But as I'm typing this it seems it still isn't right.

Not at all -- it seems OK.
 
 Why do even OS/2 users need to run a windos port (sigh!) ?

It hasn't really *anything* to do with Windows, but *everything* to do with
using the Netscape browser as a (IMPO) really poor excuse for news reader.

Get a real one instead (dedicated for the task). OS/2 has a lot of them.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
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:)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.pp.sbbs.se/mn     
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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 24-Nov-99 19:31:04
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:22
Subj: Re: wrapping trials

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Wim Wauters <reply_to_the_newsgroup@please.com> wrote:

>
>
>Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>> Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
>> you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
>> characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
>> most well-informed opinions...
>> 
>> --
>> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
>> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com
>
>Sorry about that.
>I checked my settings, and netscape thought it was wrapping
>at 72 characters. I've put it down a bit (60 characters
>now), But as I'm typing this it seems it still isn't right.

Not to say your opinions aren't well-informed, Wim -- but it
was Bjrn's posts to which I was referring.  Yours have
always wrapped nicely here.

>Why do even OS/2 users need to run a windos port (sigh!) ?

Oh, I hate to disagree with Martin again (well not really)
but for some uses Netscape/2's newsreader is just fine.  If
you're monitoring say ten newsgroups, I'd use Yarn/Soup or
ProNews, but if you're looking at 50 or 100 or 200,
Netscape's is extremely stable and works quite well, imo.

>OS/2 forever !



-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                25-Nov-99 05:55:24
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 03:28:23
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

I am using a Diamond Viper V550. The Nvidia GRADD drivers are very
fast and stable, but they have problems running full screen OS/2
sessions and xfree86-os2. Specifically, the mouse cursor vanishes when
run in a full screen session.

Duncan

On 24 Nov 1999 13:09:49 GMT, Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Frank
Berke) wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:42:06, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> 
>wrote:
>
>> are supported under OS/2 Warp 4.  (I have checked the Device Driver Site,
>> and confirmed the Video and audio should be fine).
>I can't remember *any* nVidia Chip working fine under OS/2, as for 
>your audio card I don't know. AFAIK the only way getting an nVidia 
>based video card to work is the SDD (or the slow generic GRADD), but 
>even with SDD you can't access refresh rates above 60Hz. Maybe you'll 
>get full support with the next beta (must be #10). If you want to 
>start with your system immediately you should better look for another 
>video card - Matrox is always a good choice, ATI is also partially 
>supported.
>On a friend's machine the Diamond (V550, 16Megs) didn't perform well 
>on a VIA based motherboard Asus P5A. Diamond has a *very* lousy driver
>support for its products and the only way we cured the several problem
>(OGL Games didn't run in >800x600, unforeseeable crashes of OGL Games 
>etc.) was installing the latest version of nVidia's reference driver, 
>called Detonator. The drivers on Diamond's web site are still dated 
>March 1999!!!!
>Elsa, for example, spends much more efforts into its drivers, almost 
>any other company except Diamond does so.
>I must admit, that you won't encounter such problems, if you're not 
>using Windoze, but if you don't why then buy a video card with 32 
>Megs? That's the total overkill in OS/2...
>
>Regards,
>----------------------------------------------
>Frank Berke, Bochum, Germany
>http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/frank.berke
>----------------------------------------------

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From: jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com                          25-Nov-99 08:35:20
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 05:15:15
Subj: Help with Building AMD Athalon Based OS/2 System (Round 2)

From: "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com>

UPDATE:  Thanks to everyone that posted a reply to the newsgroups or my
email on this query for compatibility help with OS/2 Warp 4.

Based on your feedback, I've updated the list.  The only component I'm not
sure of is the Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! Value sound card.  If
anyone knows for certain if this card is supported under Warp, please let me
know.  I'm not too concerned since I have another PC with a SB AWE32 which I
can swap out with the SB Live! card.

Any yeah or na to anything listed below would be greatly appreciated!!

Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
AMD 500 or 550 Athalon CPU
Athalon Heatsink/CPU Cooler w/Ball Bearing Fan
Micron 128MB SDRAM - Cas2, 6 layer PCB
In-Win EN7237 Case with Powerman 300 Watt power supply
Alps 3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Matrox G400 AGP Video with 32MB
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! Value
IBM Deskstar 22GXP (13GB Ultra 66)
3Com Fast Etherlink XL (3C905TX)
Toshiba 40X ATAPI EIDE CD-Rom Drive

Thanks!


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From: bv@opera.no                                       25-Nov-99 14:57:11
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Dmned NS Communicator! Was: Re: Warning: Flames !!

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

>
> Have nothing to debate about SCSI versus IDE.  Only wish
> you'd adjust your line-wrap to something less than ~90
> characters per line so it would be easier to follow your
> most well-informed opinions...

Damn! This is a new install of NC 4.6.1, but I just verified that the setting
is for an outbound line wrap at 72 columns. Counting characters in your quote,
I see that it obviously does not work. I really hoped the bugger worked
better than that.

I was halfway contemplating to make a reformatting filter for Yarn to
reflow long lines into something it would display properly while I
still used it, but now I'm instead testing all manner of software to see how
they can be improved upon. I cannot count the ways...



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From: bv@opera.no                                       25-Nov-99 15:06:15
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: wrapping trials

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bv@opera.no>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

>
> Oh, I hate to disagree with Martin again (well not really)
> but for some uses Netscape/2's newsreader is just fine.  If
> you're monitoring say ten newsgroups, I'd use Yarn/Soup or
> ProNews, but if you're looking at 50 or 100 or 200,
> Netscape's is extremely stable and works quite well, imo.
>

Well, no - the really strong point of Yarn is the superior filtering

and the pseudo-newsgroups. The more groups and mailing lists
you follow, the more use will you be able to get from them. I used
it
a lot before  I converted my home system to a network with Changi
and Weasel to handle mail and news exchange. Now, filtering is done
by Object REXX programs instead.

And no, NS Communicator is not really all that reliable. I have had
several failures where I had to rebuild the entire user with
settings and
history.


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From: Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de                 25-Nov-99 15:26:06
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 14:28:23
Subj: Re: Help with Building AMD Athalon Based OS/2 System (Round 2)

From: Frank.Berke@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Frank Berke)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:35:41, "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> 
wrote:

Hi,
> Asus K7M Athalon motherboard
The German computer magazine c't has tested five Athlon boards in its 
recent edition: in performance they are all just the same, but 
currently there are only Biostar and FIC offering support for their 
products. Neither Asus, nor MSI, nor Gigabyte give you more than BIOS 
upgrades...

> AMD 500 or 550 Athalon CPU
Get the Athlon 500, since 50 MHz is not worth the current difference 
in price...

> Micron 128MB SDRAM - Cas2, 6 layer PCB
Be sure to get the patch from Daniela Engert to enable OS/2 
recognizing memory amounts above 64MB (patchldr.zip on Hobbes): have a
beer while studying the readme ;-)

> Alps 3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Just any will do. Get the cheapest as they are not as stable anymore 
as in former times.

> Matrox G400 AGP Video with 32MB
No chance to benefit from 32MB if you're only working with OS/2. If 
you play games supporting this amount of memory, it might be useful.

> Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! Value
No idea about Creative Cards. They stopped supporting OS/2 a long time
ago and there's hardly any chance to get their recent PCI cards to 
work within OS/2. Better look for something based on a Crystal CODEC, 
the only company I know still offering good support for OS/2.

> IBM Deskstar 22GXP (13GB Ultra 66)
Use DANIS506 instead of IBM1S506 driver after installation and be sure
to patch your setup diskettes before installation.

Regards,
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Frank Berke, Bochum, Germany
http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/frank.berke
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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         26-Nov-99 00:52:08
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:26:16, 
jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela) 
wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:51:09, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
> Racette) wrote:
> 
> > I tried to re-install to whole suite, 
> > after the re-installation everything was
> > working fine, I had to re-boot, so I did
> > a normal shutdown and all three program 
> > began to behave as before I re-installed
> 
> Did you have the installer modify CONFIG.SYS?  Specifically, are the 
> correct entries in your PATH and LIBPATH statements?  
> 
> --
> John Varela
> to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

They were correct before and yes I did 
chechked them and they are correct

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         26-Nov-99 00:54:15
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:27:47, 
yyyc186@flashcom.net wrote:

> In <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-FdU7zY6GwuMT@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>, on 11/24/99
> 
>    at 07:53 PM, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) said:
> 
> Try running a checkini utlity to check the user and system ini files.  You
> could have some dead entries.
> 
> Otherwise, backout FP12.
> 
> Roland
> 

Well, the problems began showing up a 
little after I ran the latest checkini, 
could it be related ?????

BTW. I'll try it anyway, I have nothing 
to lose now :-)

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: as@sci.fi                                         23-Nov-99 19:25:26
  To: All                                               25-Nov-99 21:46:01
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

"Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> writes:

> Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
> Diamond Monster Sound MX300

These might not work very well. Nvidia has some TNT drivers, but I
don't know if they work with the Diamond. Scitech Display Doctor
provides at least unaccelerated support as do GRADD drivers.

I don't know if there are any drivers for the MX300.

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               25-Nov-99 20:33:14
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:20
Subj: Re: Lotus Smartsuite problem

From: letoured@nospam.net

>Well, the problems began showing up a 
>little after I ran the latest checkini, 
>could it be related ?????

I had trouble installing after FP12 to.   I had to uninstall SmartSuite,
and then edit the config.sys because something was left. I don't remember
what. Then I ran Checkini, booted and reinsalled. 


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: miket@interact.net.au                             25-Nov-99 12:13:16
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: miket@interact.net.au    (Michael Taylor)

dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro) writes:
> I am using a Diamond Viper V550. The Nvidia GRADD drivers are very
> fast and stable, but they have problems running full screen OS/2
> sessions and xfree86-os2. Specifically, the mouse cursor vanishes when
> run in a full screen session.
> 

I have the XFree86/2 problem but full screen OS/2 sessions seem to be Okay.
Anyway the Scitech Display Doctor drivers do work okay (with the limitations
I exaplined in another post).

--
Regards,                    Michael Taylor
Mike                        miket@interact.net.au
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From: miket@interact.net.au                             25-Nov-99 12:11:26
  To: All                                               26-Nov-99 10:42:22
Subj: Re: Building AMD Athalon System - OS/2 Compatible Components?

From: miket@interact.net.au    (Michael Taylor)

Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> writes:
> "Jim Davie" <jimdavie@tampabay.rr.com> writes:
> 
> > Diamond Viper V770 AGP Video with 32MB (TNT2)
> > Diamond Monster Sound MX300
> 
> These might not work very well. Nvidia has some TNT drivers, but I
> don't know if they work with the Diamond. Scitech Display Doctor
> provides at least unaccelerated support as do GRADD drivers.
> 

The Viper V770 works fine. The nVidia drivers do limit you to 60Hz refresh
rates but the Scitech drivers will allow more than that (although the
Beta 9 drivers didn't properly recoqnise the V770 and fellback to VBE 1.2
support - still good but also limited to 60Hz. However I sent the 
details to Kendall Bennett at Scitech and he has fixed the problem (in beta 10
which I haven't seen yet).

> I don't know if there are any drivers for the MX300.
> 

There aren't. However the linux drivers are being released in source. I
have this card (in the second Win98 Kids PC!) and had to use the old SB16
instead.

--
Regards,                    Michael Taylor
Mike                        miket@interact.net.au
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