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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        06-Nov-99 11:04:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 10:27:24
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <38207D7D.CB8EB890@dundee.ac.uk>, Charles Christacopoulos
<c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk> writes:
>"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:
>> 
>> I have to get a new tape drive.  
>Check http://www.cristie.com/
>I am looking to purchase one of their drives (admittedly a large
>autoloader) and they may be willing to bundle their backup software for
>os/2.  Well if you ask them nicely they will as they seem to bundle the
>Win95 crap with them.

I've been asking Cristie if they will be providing OS/2 drivers for the
Onstream
30/50 GB tape drives, and they hope to have something available in a month
or two. These drives seem too good to be true, pricewise, - no idea on
reliability though...

>-- 
>Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
>Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
>Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
>http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
>Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
>too)
--
John

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From: swsnyder@home.com                                 06-Nov-99 17:46:26
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:37:50 GMT, Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)
wrote:
>"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:
[snip]
>> I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have
>> experience with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.
>> Will it support this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?
>>
>> Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
>> newsgroup.
>
>I have the ST8000N and use it with Novaback. It works great, I usually get
>about 38MB/min
>with it. You MUST get a cleaner kit, though, and use it every few backups. I
>let my drive get dirty and had to use three swabs on it just to do a full
>restore.

I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.  As 
noted above, this drive is fast.  I'm very happy with it.


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: operagost@e-mail.com                              06-Nov-99 17:37:25
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>

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"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:

> I have to get a new tape drive.  I've got a HP Traven T-3000.
>
> I'd like to get away from HP products altogether.  They have great
> tech support, but I suspect that's because their products die so
> often.  (Long history of failures here).
>
> I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have
> experience with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.
> Will it support this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?
>
> Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
> newsgroup.

I have the ST8000N and use it with Novaback. It works great, I usually get
about 38MB/min
with it. You MUST get a cleaner kit, though, and use it every few backups. I
let my drive get dirty and had to use three swabs on it just to do a full
restore.

Backmaster 2 should support the drive, but I dumped them a while ago because
the program
was so slow. Novaback is nice because they include Windows and OS/2 versions
in the same box.

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          Havertown, PA
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From: info@qvision.net                                  06-Nov-99 21:10:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: info@qvision.net

On November 5, 1999, Judge Thomas Jackson released his finding of facts 
in the US vs Microsoft case. It is being called the most important legal
decision of the 20th Century by many.  Quiet Vision brings you the entire
decision on searchable CDROM.  A must have for investors and anyone with
a computer.

<A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>

This book is in Electronic Paperback© Format.  If you view this book on 
a computer system, it will look like a book.  Simple to run, no program 
to install.   Just put the CD in your CDROM drive and start reading. 
The simple easy to use interface is child tested at pre-school levels.
This Electronic  Paperback© has the Dynamic Index feature. Great for
preparing school reports and researching text. Just enter "Gates" on the
find page and then browse all the pages where Bill Gates figures in the
findings. The find feature will search whatever word or phrase you 
enter.

Windows/95, Windows/98, OS/2, MacIntosh with Window Emulation, and LInux
with Window Emulation.

In a note of postic justice, the entire Electorinc Paperback process
is run of OS/2 systems. This includes all the virtual type setting done
in the last 20 hours. Even the CD is burned on OS/2 systems.

info@qvision.net
<A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>
Home of the Electronic Paperback (R)

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              06-Nov-99 21:53:15
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Steve Snyder wrote:
> 
> 
> I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.
> 
    You do? I thought Seagate dropped os/2 support. The STT8000N came
out long after they stopped updating their os/2 program.

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        07-Nov-99 00:13:22
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 21:41:10
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <8025fe$4pk$1@news.xmission.com>, info@qvision.net writes:
>On November 5, 1999, Judge Thomas Jackson released his finding of facts 
>in the US vs Microsoft case. It is being called the most important legal
>decision of the 20th Century by many.  Quiet Vision brings you the entire
>decision on searchable CDROM.  A must have for investors and anyone with
>a computer.
>
><A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>
>
>This book is in Electronic Paperback© Format. 

What is 'Electronic Paperbook Format' ?

What executable do I run to access it? 

I assume a native OS/2 format is available...

> If you view this book on 
>a computer system, it will look like a book.  Simple to run, no program 
>to install.   Just put the CD in your CDROM drive and start reading. 
>The simple easy to use interface is child tested at pre-school levels.
>This Electronic  Paperback© has the Dynamic Index feature. Great for
>preparing school reports and researching text. Just enter "Gates" on the
>find page and then browse all the pages where Bill Gates figures in the
>findings. The find feature will search whatever word or phrase you 
>enter.
>
>Windows/95, Windows/98, OS/2, MacIntosh with Window Emulation, and LInux
>with Window Emulation.
>
>In a note of postic justice, the entire Electorinc Paperback process
>is run of OS/2 systems. This includes all the virtual type setting done
>in the last 20 hours. Even the CD is burned on OS/2 systems.
>
>info@qvision.net
><A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>
>Home of the Electronic Paperback (R)
>

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From: info@qvision.net                                  07-Nov-99 01:28:23
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:16
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: info@qvision.net

In <3824c439.0@katana.legend.co.uk>, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John
Poltorak) writes:
>What is 'Electronic Paperbook Format' ?
>
A general format for presentation of ebooks on multiple operating 
systems. Used by a number of publishers.

>What executable do I run to access it? 
>
Executable are on the CDROM for support OS's

>I assume a native OS/2 format is available...
>
A native OS/2 driver is present on the CD.


info@qvision.net
<A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>
Home of the Electronic Paperback (R)

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From: swsnyder@home.com                                 07-Nov-99 02:07:16
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:53:30 GMT, James Moe wrote:

>Steve Snyder wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.
>> 
>    You do? I thought Seagate dropped os/2 support. The STT8000N came
>out long after they stopped updating their os/2 program.

Maybe the STT8000N is compatible with some drive that is officially 
supported.  In any case, Seagate Backup Exec v3.0 (file dates 
are 10/31/96) *does* work with that tape drive.


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        07-Nov-99 10:29:02
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 10:20:13
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <802kke$a1g$1@news.xmission.com>, info@qvision.net writes:
>In <3824c439.0@katana.legend.co.uk>, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John
Poltorak) writes:
>>What is 'Electronic Paperbook Format' ?
>>
>A general format for presentation of ebooks on multiple operating 
>systems. Used by a number of publishers.
>
>>What executable do I run to access it? 
>>
>Executable are on the CDROM for support OS's
>
>>I assume a native OS/2 format is available...
>>
>A native OS/2 driver is present on the CD.

Excellent! Guess I'll have to order a copy. 

BTW, if you produce electronic books, do you have anything as useful
as a Dictionary, Encyclopedia or Atlas with a Native OS/2 viewer. Such
products are unavailable to OS/2 users - there must be a market for
these types of apps...


>
>info@qvision.net
><A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>
>Home of the Electronic Paperback (R)
>
--
John

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From: info@qvision.net                                  07-Nov-99 15:42:01
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: info@qvision.net

In <38255471.0@katana.legend.co.uk>, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John
Poltorak) writes:
>BTW, if you produce electronic books, do you have anything as useful
>as a Dictionary, Encyclopedia or Atlas with a Native OS/2 viewer. Such
>products are unavailable to OS/2 users - there must be a market for
>these types of apps...
>
Sorry, Quiet Vision is a publisher. The Electronic Paperback reader is 
designed to handled the simple task of displaying the text and the
illustrations. To this we added the ability to tie text to the page and
a search capability.

Our main concerntration is on content and literature content primarily.
As for content we do mostly public domains and out of prints. Our
primary market is schools and libraries even though we are handled by
Amazon and Barnes and Noble.

We do special like this MS finding. We did the Cox and Starr reports for
our internet resellers.

A more typical book would be "Huckleberry Finn" with has 40 plus 
illiustrations from the first book publication in the 1800's. (It was 
first serialized).

Another would be "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" which hs W.W. Denslow's
original illustrations plus an actor reading the full book. The actor was
kethryn England who remined us of Glinda. We also did the other 13 "Oz"
books by L. Frank Baum.

One we are working on is "The Retrun of Captain Conquer" by Mel Gilden 
and a number of Dr. Fred Bortz's young adult science books. I consider
Dr. Fred as the Asimov of the Junior High.

Also all our packaging list OS/2 on the cover.

info@qvision.net
<A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>
Home of the Electronic Paperback (R)

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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          07-Nov-99 19:09:17
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:22
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

info@qvision.net wrote:
: On November 5, 1999, Judge Thomas Jackson released his finding of facts 
: in the US vs Microsoft case. It is being called the most important legal
: decision of the 20th Century by many.  Quiet Vision brings you the entire
: decision on searchable CDROM.  A must have for investors and anyone with
: a computer.

: <A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>

: This book is in Electronic Paperback© Format.  If you view this book on 
: a computer system, it will look like a book.  Simple to run, no program 
: to install.   Just put the CD in your CDROM drive and start reading. 
: The simple easy to use interface is child tested at pre-school levels.
: This Electronic  Paperback© has the Dynamic Index feature. Great for
: preparing school reports and researching text. Just enter "Gates" on the
: find page and then browse all the pages where Bill Gates figures in the
: findings. The find feature will search whatever word or phrase you 
: enter.

: Windows/95, Windows/98, OS/2, MacIntosh with Window Emulation, and LInux
: with Window Emulation.

: In a note of postic justice, the entire Electorinc Paperback process
: is run of OS/2 systems. This includes all the virtual type setting done
: in the last 20 hours. Even the CD is burned on OS/2 systems.

It looks interesting, but I have some general comments and questions:
- Your publicity seems low here. I gather you are making enough $$$
elsewhere? Just curious...
- Could you possibly put up some screenshots to show what the reader looks
like?
- Failing that, how about a trial download with a sample 1-page?
- I read your FAQ. No Mac or Linux versions yet cause you have to sell
3000 copies to break even. Does this mean OS/2 is selling > 3000 copies?
Or doing it for the love of OS/2 or....not at liberty to say?

The current titles do not interest me right now, but if others become
available, I might. It wouldn't hurt to release announcements once in a
while ?



Isaac

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From: info@qvision.net                                  07-Nov-99 20:54:21
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: info@qvision.net

In <804ipe$l2f$1@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
writes:
>It looks interesting, but I have some general comments and questions:
>- Your publicity seems low here. I gather you are making enough $$$
>elsewhere? Just curious...
Electronic Paperbacks (r) are sold through Amazon.com, 
barnesandnoble.com, Barnes and Noble Stores, Borders, books-a-Million,
and a number of independent books store. You can order this through any
book store ISBN 1-57646-167-X (the X is important, the check digit).

We also sell direct to schools and libraries. We sell them a system
with 300 books on it and subscriptions to add new ones. (Sorry but it
is W98 do to the fact most libraries and schools have never here of OS/2
or Linux or some even Macs.)

We are also designing an under $400 reader tablet (full color and sound)
probably using DR-DOS embedded (embedded is were Caldera sells most 
DR-DOS) and it is 1/10th the price IBM is asking for Os/2 to embed

>- Could you possibly put up some screenshots to show what the reader looks
>like?
Maybe, will look at it.

>- Failing that, how about a trial download with a sample 1-page?
About 8 months ago we had a non illustrated "Jungle Book" available
but it did not translate into sells. The main reason for promoting
our site on this is amazon and bn will do this type of thing Monday
to Friday. Friday by close of business at these two no one knew for
sure this would be releasedand how explosive it would be. So the
Microsoft FInding will show up on those two site Wednesday or later.

>- I read your FAQ. No Mac or Linux versions yet cause you have to sell
>3000 copies to break even. Does this mean OS/2 is selling > 3000 copies?
No OS/2, including the few orders today is less than 50 books,we know of
and no more than 200 was generous allowances.

>Or doing it for the love of OS/2 or....not at liberty to say?
Cost is the main reason. For us, it is cheaper to develop on OS/2 and
port to Windows. We do keep OS/2 listed on the package for love of OS/2.
We have been asked many times to remove. I will not describe the 
"conversation" (more of a lecture) I had from a Microsoft Manager "on his
time, not companies" about this.

>
>The current titles do not interest me right now, but if others become
>available, I might. It wouldn't hurt to release announcements once in a
>while ?
We use to send title announcements to comp.os.os2.announce but when it
changed hands, we were told it was not an approiate OS/2 announcement.
One OS/2 ISV complained, so we werer dropped as a non-OS/2 product.
Since OS/2 is minor to us in selling we just dropped posting. If
there is not complaint, we will start posting these to comp.os.os2.misc.
But it is not worth the hassle of a flame war and email bombings to post
into OS/2 groups. This has happened to us in the past when we announced 
books.

>Isaac

John M. Schaeffer
john@qvision.net
<A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>
Home of the Electronic Paperback (R)

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Nov-99 05:03:11
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:24
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:20:23, info@qvision.net a Úcrit dans un message:

snipt
> 
> I have not yet linked to the home page. It is at
> http://www.quietvision.com/download/sample.zip

Is this available now? I'm getting a server intercept on that URL.


> 
> The one complaint I have had on the interface was from a MS Engineer.
> He said the standards (I guess from a MS heavenly revelation) required
> that to start a read of an audio file required using a
> ctl-alt-esc-upshift-left arrow-tab-R (or somthing to that effect).
> I tried to explain to him when a 2 1/2 could run it himself just
> knowing (after his Dad put the CD in the drive) where the "r" key
> and the "page down" key were that was a good interface. The final 
> decision was I refunded his money and left him with a suggestion of where
> all those keys could be put to good use using a manual insertion 
> technique.

I like all of that. You should write some original stuff.

> 
> >
> >I'm curious about printing, 'cause I don't see it mentioned. Do I have to 
> >read these books on the screen, only?
> >
> None, the reason is copyrights. Even on old material there are problems
> in this area. N.C.Wyeth's Illustration of Treasure Island was about 
> 1913, therefore out of copyright in the U.S. But I am making 
> arrangements to use the Brandywine Museum's transparencies of the
> originals and will pay for the right to do so. In many cases where the
> author left his rights to charity (such as Peter Pan) we honor the
> author's intent even when we do not have to. So no printing.

Hm. I'm not current on that type of restriction on printing public domain 
stuff. The act of publishing, legally, is to simply show it to one other 
person, not to also facilitate further showings. (Though I'm not a lawyer, 
I know someone who has played one on teevee.)


> 
> >And is the text 100% boolean searchable somehow, or do you keyword index it
> >yourself?
> Dynamic Character pattern or phrase. index built at run time. Not full
> boolean. Our main market is primary and secondary schools. We keep things
> simple. I do have one person doing a doctoral study on DIckens using this
> feature. There maybe others with unique uses but unless I hear from 
> them.....

Nope, the literature of the world needs to land on 100% boolean searchable 
digital databses. That's where scholars and numbnutz like myself will be 
able to make connections between the wisdoms that never were connectable 
before, in less than otherworldly brainpans.

But you've made a good start, especially with the Tom Swift stuff. I wasn't
aware the copyright had lapsed on that.

> 
> >We need *more* people around here who are using OS/2 to make a living, not 
> >less.
> >
> Be sure Quiet Vision does not use OS/2 because of love of the product.It
> is a down and dirty financial decision. It is cheeper to developed under
> and use OS/2 than Windows.

That's even better. It's why I use it, it's simply better than everything 
else that meets all the same requirements.

--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: info@qvision.net                                  11-Nov-99 14:48:22
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: info@qvision.net

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-ZiKFRUJtvo2R@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:20:23, info@qvision.net a crit dans un message:
>
>snipt
>> 
>> I have not yet linked to the home page. It is at
>> http://www.quietvision.com/download/sample.zip
>
>Is this available now? I'm getting a server intercept on that URL.
>
Our mistake, are ISV is Sun Unix and Sample.zip is not the same as
sample.zip. It was fixed last night. Use lower case.

>> >I'm curious about printing, 'cause I don't see it mentioned. Do I have to 
>> >read these books on the screen, only?
>> >
>
>Hm. I'm not current on that type of restriction on printing public domain 
>stuff. The act of publishing, legally, is to simply show it to one other 
>person, not to also facilitate further showings. (Though I'm not a lawyer, 
>I know someone who has played one on teevee.)
>
To use an exisiting copyright, I sign contracts with authors, artist,
etc. Under the 1998 (Sonny Bono) Copyright act. everything is copyrighted
even if if a copyright is not claimed or filed. Authors and their agents
prefer no ability in the software to mass print the book. However a 
print screen is fair use under the law. The law is still grey in this 
area, so I stay to the side that does not upset authors and agents.

The important thing is presenting a single common interface for all books
so the PD's do not have a print feature even though there is no legal 
restrictions.

"Peter Pan" is one example of were I would (I have not done it yet), 
respect the author's wishes even though it is PD. Barrie left the
rights to a children's hospital in England. I have a moral if not
legal obligation (in the US) to pay royalties on this book. There are 
many more examples of this kind of activity in publishing.

>
>But you've made a good start, especially with the Tom Swift stuff. I wasn't
>aware the copyright had lapsed on that.
>
On the original Tom Swift Series (the Stratmeyer Syndicate series), The 
first 26 are PD. The other 12 (or 14 depending on how you look at 39 and 
40) are under copyright till 2019. I am working to obtain the rights
to 27 through 38)


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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          11-Nov-99 15:20:17
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: Re: Microsoft findings on CDROM

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <80el0d$m1$1@news.xmission.com> beditor@qvision.net  writes:

> "Peter Pan" is one example of were I would (I have not done it
> yet), respect the author's wishes even though it is PD. Barrie
> left the rights to a children's hospital in England. I have a
> moral if not legal obligation (in the US) to pay royalties on
> this book. There are many more examples of this kind of
> activity in publishing.

This is an excellent attitude.  The hospital in question, FWIW,
is the Great Ormond Street Hospital For Sick Children, in London.
(That parses as <<<GOS>H>FSC>, BTW -- the name can be confusing.)
They treat children from all over the world, although naturally
most (AFAIK) are from the UK.  Much was made of the connection of
book (actually, originally play) and hospital in Spielberg's 1991
(?) film of a latter-day Peter Pan.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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