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From: huffd@nls.net                                     06-Nov-99 01:26:23
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: Binary News Reader

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

Use BinSuk version 1.7 ( I prefer it over version 1.8) it is very easy to
use. It eliminates duplicate (ah files) and can be very selective to the
size of the (ah file) even if the suffix ends in .jpg
Grab it off my UnOfficial Hobbes Mirror --
http://www.computer-critters.com/hobbes/pub/os2/apps/internet/news/util/binsuk1
7.zip

or
Hobbes http://hobbes.nmsu.edu same directory for version 1.8

Cam wrote:

> I've been trying to get Binary News Reader ver 1.37 running (W4 no
> fixpacks).
>
> I'm getting a Sys2070 error.  The explanation seems to be that BNR is
> not recognized as an OS2 program.  The session screen of the properties
> is greyed out.
>
> Any comments.  An alternate program that will help me sift through
> binaries ng would be an option.  I don't care much for NewsHarvest,
> because it seems to want to decode everything, rather than allowing me
> to browse headers first :-(
>
> Thanks
>
> Cam

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From: huffd@nls.net                                     06-Nov-99 01:32:06
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

It's the Stockholm Syndrome, Patty Herst did the same thing. The back-lash
comes from utter despair in knowing that you are not where you want to be but
can't find your way out of the quagmire.


>
>
> It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2 and the
> biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he used
> to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: fgearhart@voyager.net                             06-Nov-99 01:37:16
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: NS backup..

From: fgearhart@voyager.net

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:51:34, "Wayne Bickell" 
<wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp> wrote:

> On 05 Nov 1999 05:28:33 GMT, fgearhart@voyager.net wrote:
> 
> :>I want to delete and reinstall NS 4.61, since the darn thing crashes 
> :>every time I try to email.  (_Every_ time.  Grrrr..)  Anyway, anyone 
> :>got any tips on backing up all my messages and restoring them easily? 
> :>Could there be any glitches that could get passed on this way to a new
> :>install?
> :>
> :>tia,
> :>
> :>Fritz
> 
> When I de-installed 4.04 to install 4.61 it left my user subdirectories
> intact. The first time I started 4.61 it asked me to create a new profile
> I entered the same name as the one already there and it used it no
> problems.
> 
> If you're worried just drag out a copy of your user directory.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Wayne

Thank you much!  I will do just that!

Fritz

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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              06-Nov-99 02:04:16
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 under os/2

From: alan@min.net.notspam

In <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-MOkz9S42IsOK@tcpserver>, on 11/05/99 
   at 01:27 AM, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) said:
>> 
>> Which ETC should be my ETC directory, \tcpip\dos\etc or \mptn\etc?  I keep
>> seeing different recommendations.

>The SET ETC=\mptn\etc command is for CONFIG.SYS
>and applies to OS/2 applications.

>The SET ETC=\TCPIP\DOS\ETC is for AUTOEXEC.BAT
>and applies to DOS and WINOS2 applications.

This makes sense!  Thanks.  Let's hope it solves my problems.

Where does winsock.dll belong, in \tcpip\dos\etc?  I know there should be
only one one copy, and it should be the one the came with Warp.


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From: spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com                    05-Nov-99 19:13:16
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 under os/2

From: "Graham C. Norris" <spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com>

John Poltorak wrote:
> Can someone explain the point of having %ETC% using different directories
> under OS/2 and DOS? I'd much rather have a single hosts file which is used
> from all environments.

It's quite likely because ETC doesn't always just contain a couple of
tables of data, especially on *nix. Also, if the DOS support is less
capable than the OS/2 support, some of the files you don't change may
need to be different. Finally, if you have dual boot you may actually
want a separate DOS ETC directory for TCP/IP under DOS (the OS/2 one
might be on HPFS). I'll agree it's a pain!

Graham.

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      06-Nov-99 00:35:09
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: im looking for a decent browser for OS/2 Warp 3...anyone have one?

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <7vvd1d$hi3$1@atom.nectec.or.th>, thomasa@swu.ac.th writes:

>In <c1.2c.2Sn8DC$1VQ@rhino_house.attglobal.net>, nospam@savebandwidth.invalid 
      (John Thompson) writes:
>>In <eSJT3.1117$sR5.9250@newsfeed.slurp.net>, "user" <kf4lne@hotmail.com>
writes:
>>
>>>i need a full java supporting browser for OS/2 Warp 3 for use on my LAN.
any
>>>suggestions would be apreciated
>>
>>Have you tried Netscape?  You can download v4.61 from IBM's 
>>"Software Choice" web site.  While you're there pick up Java 
>>v1.1.8 also; works a treat with Netscape.

>Will v4.61 work with Warp 3 (and not just Warp 4)?

Yup.  I use it here with Warp v3 FP38 and Java v1.1.8.  IIRC, you
need one of the later fixpacks (FP32?) to use Java properly, but 
that's about the only restriction.  I'm using Netscape/2 v4.61 on
Warp v3 and it works fine; it just isn't a "supported
configuration" as far as IBM is concerned.  IOW, don't ask IBM
for help if you run into problems, but that's nothing new for
most of us.

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            05-Nov-99 21:46:05
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

In <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkqum32.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, on 11/05/99 
   at 04:34 PM, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> said:

>>The former Ominor does have a few worthwhile things to say, although I
>>remain mystified why he bothers to hang about OS/2 newsgroups when he 
>>has obviously decided beyond any shadow of doubt that WinNT is the way
>>of the future...

>It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2 and
>the biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he
>used to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?

If this is the Ominor I remember correctly from my "Fight-O-Net" days, I
find his transition strange also.  OTOH, some zealots just become zealots
for the other side without really thinking, IMO.

--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 31 Processes with 126 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 10d 4h 36m 26s 968ms.


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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                05-Nov-99 20:24:14
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

Well, I installed it.  It continually 'times out'.  Thinking it is teh
connection, I tried the version with Netscape for Win98 - no problem.

Any hints?


-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

 Irrationalist trends indubitably do exist,and may be prominent
 in the wider society, but they are not conspicuous *within*
 the actual practice of science.  Oddly enough, they actually
 proliferate in the meta-theory of science, and also within
 fringe subjects of questionable scientific status.
          - Ernest Gellner  (Reason and Culture, 1992)

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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               06-Nov-99 04:21:12
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:46:27, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> a 
‚crit:

> For some time I have had a watch killing all incoming messages from
> McCoy.I see from many replies that he is still spreading lies here on
> behalf of MicroSlop.
> 
> For those who don't know, this is a very, very disturbed individual who
> needs to be locked in a padded cell and forcefed the medications he
> refuses to take. Until then, I suggest you apply a kill filter to keep him
> from his wasteful activities.

	Don't worry.  He's already in a padded cell...Micro$oft cell that is.
 And he's going to take the medication (Win200x to keep him in his 
state) and pay by the nose whether he likes it or not.  He's gone, 
that's all.  Another one in Bill's thrashcan.

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      06-Nov-99 16:16:21
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:24:29, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

> Well, I installed it.  It continually 'times out'.  Thinking it is teh
> connection, I tried the version with Netscape for Win98 - no problem.

If you don't have any problems using telnet to reach other sites, try putting
in
port 23 in the settings.


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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           06-Nov-99 05:30:02
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:46:27, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
wrote:

> For some time I have had a watch killing all incoming messages from
> McCoy.I see from many replies that he is still spreading lies here on
> behalf of MicroSlop.
> 
> For those who don't know, this is a very, very disturbed individual who
> needs to be locked in a padded cell and forcefed the medications he
> refuses to take. Until then, I suggest you apply a kill filter to keep him
> from his wasteful activities.
> 
> 
> --
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
> MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
> Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
> 

Do you think this could be moved to a newsgroup that
is more pertinent to the subject material?

Something like

alt.flames.personal :-)

There is very little in this thread that has to do with
comp.os.os2.apps

Thankyou
Lorne Sunley

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 00:37:20
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 Application Gripes

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <o0XddOdRVCYE-pn2-uultsRd7frLE@MGOYETTE>, 
Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com says...
>Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:45:24, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> a 
>écrit:
>
>> In article <o0XddOdRVCYE-pn2-UCefHGZ827w4@MGOYETTE>, 
>> Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com says...
>>
>> >> 'Fraid not. I'm using Win2000 RC 1, and I am enjoying it. I was just
trying the 
>> >> keep the topic focused.
>> >
>> >	Keep us inform about the licenses fees (one license for each user 
>> >instead of each machine) and the mandatory registration.  On other 
>> >thought, don't.  ;-)
>> 
>> Doesn't concern me. The NT 4 Workstation upgrade is $149. That's $20 more
than 
>> I paid for the OS/2 Warp 4 upgrade and certainly provides more bang for the 

>> buck out of box than OS/2 Warp 4 did, for me anyway. 
>
>	Wierd...I find that OS/2 provides more bang than NT.  The only more 
>"bang" NT provided me is with problems in heterogenous systems.  So, 
>"No Thanks", "Nice Try" and "New Trashcan".

That's fine, but old takes on 'NT' do not really back up your contention. Care 

to try it without tired jokes?


>> TRY taking off the blinders long enough to READ the article. 
>
>	Hmmm, you we're not talking about NT4 here but Win2000 (aka NT5 since
>???).

Actually, I was talking about feeling very proud of an OS.

>Salut,
>
>	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
>	ICQ #13376913
>	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede
>

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 00:40:06
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <yQbYdTtdfC2H-pn2-IMoJTgcJZ0G9@localhost>, dtander@agt.net says...
>On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:46:27, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
>wrote:
>
>> For some time I have had a watch killing all incoming messages from
>> McCoy.I see from many replies that he is still spreading lies here on
>> behalf of MicroSlop.
>> 
>> For those who don't know, this is a very, very disturbed individual who
>> needs to be locked in a padded cell and forcefed the medications he
>> refuses to take. Until then, I suggest you apply a kill filter to keep him
>> from his wasteful activities.
>
>I think we can all make up our own minds on this one, Bob...
>
>The former Ominor does have a few worthwhile things to say, although I
>remain mystified why he bothers to hang about OS/2 newsgroups when he 
>has obviously decided beyond any shadow of doubt that WinNT is the way
>of the future...
>
>David T. Anderson
>Calgary, Alberta
>


I don't recall saying that WinNT is the way of the future. As for posting, why 

not? I don't force anyone to read what I have to type?

However, I would enjoy reading about the lies I am spreading. That would be 
interesting.
-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             04-Nov-99 15:57:16
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: Uninstalling old Netscapes

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On 4 Nov 1999 17:20:54 EDT, Jules Greenstein wrote:

>        I now have three versions of Netscape (2.02, 4.04, and 4.61) on my
>system (Warp4 Fixpak 11).  They all work OK, but I am happy with 4.61 and
>would like to delete the 2.02 and 4.04 versions.
>
>        What's the best way to go about it?  I don't want to lose my mail and
>bookmark folders (currently in the 4.04 directory).
>
>         Any tips or experiences will be appreciated...
>
You'll note that the personal files (bookmarks, history, etc.) are all
located in the /USERS/YourUserName/ subdirectory in 4.04. NSC 4.61 uses
them where thay are already located, by default. Just drag a copy of
the /USERS/ subdirectory tree into the same location in the 4.61
directory. (You DID install 4.61 into a separate directory as
instructed to in the README,  didn't you?) Then (to be on the safe
side) rename your 4.04 directory so that 4.61 can't find it. When you
next start 4.61 you get an error msg, something to the effect that NS
can't find the default user directory, do you want to recreate it? Say
YES and it will update the .ini files to use the info in the new /USER/
and everything will be exactally as before. You can then delete the
4.04 and 2.02 dir trees completely. And don't forget to remove the
respective entries from config.sys.


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From: dave@david-lister.co.uk                           06-Nov-99 07:03:18
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Linkwiz

From: dave@david-lister.co.uk

Hi,

Does anyone have experience of Linkwiz?

I have used it regularly since I went to OS/2 several years ago now and
rely on it entirely since I transfer files between my desktop & notebook
every day.  Generally, I find it OK, but it has problems - the main one
being PCX themselves! Their support is, in my experience, non-existant.

Anyway, the reason for my query now is that I have version 2.52 which
dates back to 1996 and I don't think that it is Y2K compliant.  Lately
I've tried to go to PCX's website and can't connect.  Does anyone know if
they are still in business??  If not, does anyone have experience of a
good alternative product?  I also used Linkright for a while but that died
too!

Dave Lister
-------------------------------------------------------------
dave@david-lister.co.uk                                    

David Lister Accountancy Services
http://www.david-lister.co.uk
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From: @tin.it                                           06-Nov-99 07:35:08
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 05:25:27
Subj: Re: Styler/2 AKA SmartWindows Increases Performace?

From: @tin.it (Alessandro Cantatore)

In article <3821659A.C0B6A44C@clear.net.nz>,
Aaron Lawrence <aaronl@clear.net.nz> wrote:

 >I seem to recall that the Styler/2 docs say it will improve performance
 >by removing some redundant black and white resources (now obsolete) and
 >the like from dialogs etc.

This is probably stated in the Dialog Enhancer documentation...
I never wrote such a thing (and I do not know either if that statement
is in any case valid)
My program substitutes some parts of the procedures of some kind of
PM controls with its own code.
Somebody else in past wrote me he got the feeling of performance increase.
I did nothing to improve performance... it might be a side effect
showing in some particular cases... I would rather expect a slight
decrease of performance, usually in the range of microseconds so
nothing detectable in the normal use or from programs like sysbench...

-- 
bye
Alessandro Cantatore
email reply to: alexcant at: tin.it
http://acsoft.ghostbbs.cx

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        06-Nov-99 11:04:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 10:27:24
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <38207D7D.CB8EB890@dundee.ac.uk>, Charles Christacopoulos
<c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk> writes:
>"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:
>> 
>> I have to get a new tape drive.  
>Check http://www.cristie.com/
>I am looking to purchase one of their drives (admittedly a large
>autoloader) and they may be willing to bundle their backup software for
>os/2.  Well if you ask them nicely they will as they seem to bundle the
>Win95 crap with them.

I've been asking Cristie if they will be providing OS/2 drivers for the
Onstream
30/50 GB tape drives, and they hope to have something available in a month
or two. These drives seem too good to be true, pricewise, - no idea on
reliability though...

>-- 
>Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
>Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
>Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
>http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
>Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
>too)
--
John

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                06-Nov-99 06:45:04
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:35:29
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

In comp.os.os2.apps article
<flfedpjJLvGI-pn2-ZFpev52z1KRJ@fenner50.anu.edu.au> Khairil Yusof
<mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au> wrote:
: On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:24:29, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

:> Well, I installed it.  It continually 'times out'.  Thinking it is teh
:> connection, I tried the version with Netscape for Win98 - no problem.

: If you don't have any problems using telnet to reach other sites, try
putting in
: port 23 in the settings.

On th elogin.oscar, replacing 5190, I can't even get authorized.


-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction
of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet, we
have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect
of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half
hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
           - Thomas Jefferson

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From: jbrock@panix.com                                  06-Nov-99 09:53:20
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:35:29
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: jbrock@panix.com (John Brock)

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkqum32.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>,
/2 User <redonn2@<NOSPAM> wrote:
>On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:52:16 GMT, David T. Anderson wrote:

>>The former Ominor does have a few worthwhile things to say, although I
>>remain mystified why he bothers to hang about OS/2 newsgroups when he 
>>has obviously decided beyond any shadow of doubt that WinNT is the way
>>of the future...

>It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2 and the
>biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he used
>to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?

I found McCoy's "Ominor" shtick singularly unimpressive, and I said so
at the time.  Given that he has spent *far* more time bashing OS/2 than
he ever spent advocating it, maybe that was his plan from the start!
-- 
John Brock
jbrock@panix.com

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               06-Nov-99 11:21:23
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 04:21:25 GMT, Michel A Goyette wrote:

>	Don't worry.  He's already in a padded cell...Micro$oft cell that is.
> And he's going to take the medication (Win200x to keep him in his 
>state) and pay by the nose whether he likes it or not.  He's gone, 
>that's all.  Another one in Bill's thrashcan.

How true, and we will turn the millenium without spending a dime updating our
"OLD" Y2K compliant OS. Old yes but still way ahead of windose.


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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               06-Nov-99 11:24:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:40:13 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:

>I don't recall saying that WinNT is the way of the future. As for posting,
why 
>not? I don't force anyone to read what I have to type?

$eem$ to be the ways for your future, Bill want$ you to dig deeper in your
pocket$.

>
>However, I would enjoy reading about the lies I am spreading. That would be 
>interesting.
>-- 

What lies? Bash away!


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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               06-Nov-99 11:25:11
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On 6 Nov 1999 09:53:41 -0500, John Brock wrote:

>>It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2 and the
>>biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he used
>>to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?
>
>I found McCoy's "Ominor" shtick singularly unimpressive, and I said so
>at the time.  Given that he has spent *far* more time bashing OS/2 than
>he ever spent advocating it, maybe that was his plan from the start!

Maybe he has always secretly admired Bill Gates;-)


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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               06-Nov-99 11:33:22
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:21:47 -0500 (EST), /2 User wrote:

Hey David, we are already at our 3rd (OS/2 will never see) Netscape release
and Scietech is working on display drivers for us. So go put that in your
pipe and smoke it.


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From: swsnyder@home.com                                 06-Nov-99 17:46:26
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:37:50 GMT, Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)
wrote:
>"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:
[snip]
>> I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have
>> experience with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.
>> Will it support this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?
>>
>> Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
>> newsgroup.
>
>I have the ST8000N and use it with Novaback. It works great, I usually get
>about 38MB/min
>with it. You MUST get a cleaner kit, though, and use it every few backups. I
>let my drive get dirty and had to use three swabs on it just to do a full
>restore.

I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.  As 
noted above, this drive is fast.  I'm very happy with it.


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: operagost@e-mail.com                              06-Nov-99 18:10:18
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: WarpCenter (How to move an object between  Trays)

From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>

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Patrick wrote:

> I've done it before, but now I can't remember what I did.
> I thought I had to click Mouse button 2 on the Warpcenter to bring it up
> in details view, but now this option is not listed.
>
> Sorry, if this is the wrong newsgroup for this post.

Well, I suppose you could hold down shift and drag the icon from the
warpcenter, switch to
the destination tray, and drag it back.
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          Havertown, PA
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From: operagost@e-mail.com                              06-Nov-99 18:13:18
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>

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Feel your hatred! Soon your journey to the dark side will be complete!

Oh, I see I'm a bit late!

"David H. McCoy" wrote:

> In article <yQbYdTtdfC2H-pn2-IMoJTgcJZ0G9@localhost>, dtander@agt.net
says...
> >On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:46:27, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> For some time I have had a watch killing all incoming messages from
> >> McCoy.I see from many replies that he is still spreading lies here on
> >> behalf of MicroSlop.
> >>
> >> For those who don't know, this is a very, very disturbed individual who
> >> needs to be locked in a padded cell and forcefed the medications he
> >> refuses to take. Until then, I suggest you apply a kill filter to keep
him
> >> from his wasteful activities.
> >
> >I think we can all make up our own minds on this one, Bob...
> >
> >The former Ominor does have a few worthwhile things to say, although I
> >remain mystified why he bothers to hang about OS/2 newsgroups when he
> >has obviously decided beyond any shadow of doubt that WinNT is the way
> >of the future...
> >
> >David T. Anderson
> >Calgary, Alberta
> >
>
> I don't recall saying that WinNT is the way of the future. As for posting,
why
> not? I don't force anyone to read what I have to type?
>
> However, I would enjoy reading about the lies I am spreading. That would be
> interesting.
> --
> ---------------------------------------
> David H. McCoy
> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
> ---------------------------------------

--
----------------------------------
         Stephen Eickhoff
          Havertown, PA
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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                06-Nov-99 13:19:06
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: HTML stripper?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

I once has a program that removed the HTML codes from a text document.  I
could
drag HTMLs onto its icon on my desktop and it would place the text file in a
directory.

The name of the EXE was UNHTML.  But I have an HTML.EXE that seems to be
purely
command line driven.  Does anybody know if there are actually two different
programs of this general nature?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                06-Nov-99 13:25:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: WarpCenter (How to move an object between  Trays)

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com> said:

>> I've done it before, but now I can't remember what I did.
>> I thought I had to click Mouse button 2 on the Warpcenter to bring it up
>> in details view, but now this option is not listed.
>>
>> Sorry, if this is the wrong newsgroup for this post.

>Well, I suppose you could hold down shift and drag the icon from the
>warpcenter, switch to the destination tray, and drag it back.

Assuming you mean to drag it to the desktop and back, that moves going to the
desktop, but it copies going back again.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            06-Nov-99 12:40:28
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

In <38237AD7.6A0EA5C@hotmail.com>, on 11/05/99 
   at 06:48 PM, Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> said:

>schiz-o-phre-ni-a:
>1. Any of a group of phychotic disorders usually characterized by
>withdrawl from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions and
>halucinations and accompained in varying degrees by other emotional,
>behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia, often associated
>with dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe, may
>have an underlaying genetic cause.

>2. A condition that results from the coexistence of disparate or
>antagonistic qualities, identities, or activities: the schizophrenia of
>the double espionage agent.

I think this is a bit of a reach and a bit inappropriate.

--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 33 Processes with 130 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 10d 19h 31m 13s 929ms.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     06-Nov-99 17:20:25
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Attach PMMail to Netscape?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:03:25, "Jan Hartman" <jan.hartman@fil.lu.se> 
wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Is it possible to make Netscape start PMMail when I
> click on a "mailto:" field? As it is now, I cannot acces
> my addressbok in PMMail, and it is inconvenient.
> 
> / Jan
> Jan Hartman
> Filosofiska institutionen/Department of Philosophy
> Lunds Universitet/Lund University                                       
> Kungshuset, Lundag†rd                                  +46-(0)46 2223253
> S-222 22 Lund                                              fax +46-(0)46
2224424
> Sweden
> E-mail: Jan.Hartman@fil.lu.se
> 
> 

Check out:
http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html
There is a tip there that tells you how to convert the PMMail address 
book to Netscape. This may not be a "perfect" solution, but it should 
accomplish what you want.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: thomas@billert.de                                 06-Nov-99 12:16:18
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: About Tool Pride

From: thomas@billert.de (Thomas Billert)

Hi Pete,

On 1 Nov 1999 23:59:13 GMT, Pete wrote in 
comp.os.os2.apps:

[nicely said stuff snipped]

>	Best of all, when I decide to chat (mIRC for win3.1) I can gloat when
>people type "be right back, I gotta reboot."
>
have you ever tried OpenChat/2 with GemZ? Or PMBitchX? Great IRC clients for
OS/2!

best regards, Billy.
-- 
Thomas Billert using OS/2 Warp 4   *   OS/2-Usergroup Jena und Umgebung:
thomas@billert.de                  *     http://www.uni-jena.de/
http://www.billert.de              *              ~c5thbi/os2jena.html
PGP key available on my website

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From: operagost@e-mail.com                              06-Nov-99 17:37:25
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>

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"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:

> I have to get a new tape drive.  I've got a HP Traven T-3000.
>
> I'd like to get away from HP products altogether.  They have great
> tech support, but I suspect that's because their products die so
> often.  (Long history of failures here).
>
> I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have
> experience with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.
> Will it support this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?
>
> Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
> newsgroup.

I have the ST8000N and use it with Novaback. It works great, I usually get
about 38MB/min
with it. You MUST get a cleaner kit, though, and use it every few backups. I
let my drive get dirty and had to use three swabs on it just to do a full
restore.

Backmaster 2 should support the drive, but I dumped them a while ago because
the program
was so slow. Novaback is nice because they include Windows and OS/2 versions
in the same box.

--
----------------------------------
         Stephen Eickhoff
          Havertown, PA
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From: mckinnis@attglobal.net                            06-Nov-99 10:33:27
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@attglobal.net>

And now back to our normal flaming about os2.apps, please

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: jules@goes.com                                    06-Nov-99 12:41:28
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Uninstalling old Netscapes

From: jules@goes.com (Jules Greenstein)

In message <qfqneebjaivargpbz.fkoy7w1.pminews@news.nvinet.com> - "Doug Darrow"
<d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> writes:
:>
:>On 4 Nov 1999 17:20:54 EDT, Jules Greenstein wrote:
:>
:>>        I now have three versions of Netscape (2.02, 4.04, and 4.61) on my
:>>system (Warp4 Fixpak 11).  They all work OK, but I am happy with 4.61 and
:>>would like to delete the 2.02 and 4.04 versions.
:>>
:>>        What's the best way to go about it?  I don't want to lose my mail
and
:>>bookmark folders (currently in the 4.04 directory).
:>>
:>>         Any tips or experiences will be appreciated...
:>>
:>You'll note that the personal files (bookmarks, history, etc.) are all
:>located in the /USERS/YourUserName/ subdirectory in 4.04. NSC 4.61 uses
:>them where thay are already located, by default. Just drag a copy of
:>the /USERS/ subdirectory tree into the same location in the 4.61
:>directory. (You DID install 4.61 into a separate directory as
:>instructed to in the README,  didn't you?) Then (to be on the safe
:>side) rename your 4.04 directory so that 4.61 can't find it. When you
:>next start 4.61 you get an error msg, something to the effect that NS
:>can't find the default user directory, do you want to recreate it? Say
:>YES and it will update the .ini files to use the info in the new /USER/
:>and everything will be exactally as before. You can then delete the
:>4.04 and 2.02 dir trees completely. And don't forget to remove the
:>respective entries from config.sys.
:>
:>
         Thanks, Doug. I followed the procedure you suggested and have had no
problems.
I appreciate your taking the time to respond.




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From: letoured@nospam.net                               06-Nov-99 12:54:00
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: letoured@nospam.net

In <MPG.128d894a6024e0a6989a9e@news1.mnsinc.com>, on 11/06/99 
   at 12:40 AM, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:

>I don't recall saying that WinNT is the way of the future. As for
>posting, why  not? I don't force anyone to read what I have to type?

>However, I would enjoy reading about the lies I am spreading. That would
>be  interesting.

Why don't you just stop cluttering this new group!

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           06-Nov-99 13:25:09
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

postmaster@[127.0.0.1] wrote:
> 
> In <38237AD7.6A0EA5C@hotmail.com>, on 11/05/99
>    at 06:48 PM, Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> said:
> 
> >schiz-o-phre-ni-a:
> >1. Any of a group of phychotic disorders usually characterized by
> >withdrawl from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions and
> >halucinations and accompained in varying degrees by other emotional,
> >behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia, often associated
> >with dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe, may
> >have an underlaying genetic cause.
> 
> >2. A condition that results from the coexistence of disparate or
> >antagonistic qualities, identities, or activities: the schizophrenia of
> >the double espionage agent.
> 
> I think this is a bit of a reach and a bit inappropriate.
> 


I just posted the definition from the dictonary. I took care not to make
any additional comments.


Robert,

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From: nick@secant.com                                   06-Nov-99 15:02:14
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: Nick Knight <nick@secant.com>

In <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkqupx3.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, on 11/05/99 
   at 03:37 PM, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> said:

>>[Now, see, if ProNews came back alive we could get one more filter field, 
>>to allow us to block any article containing one of the unspeakable strings 
>>anywhere in the body.]

>Now you just gave McCoy some bait to bash OS/2 for lack of application
>support;-)

Nah, MR/2 can KILL on text (or complex set of text) contained anywhere in
an article, so there is at least one way, within OS/2, to do this :)

No, I'm not trying to participate in this thread!  Just testing on a
REXX-related filter problem.  

Nick
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <nick@secant.com>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
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From: kapeka@wild-ki.netzservice.de                     06-Nov-99 07:10:27
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: OS/2 Application Gripes

From: kapeka@wild-ki.netzservice.de (K.-P. Kirchdoerfer)

On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:53:19 -0500, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
>wrote:
>Ominor was a joke and clearly meant more to you guys than to me.

The same joke as David McCoy nowadays?

If Ominor's MS bashing was a joke, and the McCoy's OS/2 bashing is a joke,
please choose the appropriate newsgroups.
I avoid these groups, as a humourless person I am. 
Why do I still see messages in groups like *.apps, where they don't belong to?
Ok, slrn is scoring you with -9999; no joke.

kp

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From: jkross@TIRED_OF_SPAM@oxford.net                   06-Nov-99 21:09:28
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 under os/2

From: jkross@TIRED_OF_SPAM@oxford.net (John Ross)

In message <38238caf$6$nynaurff$mr2ice@news> - alan@min.net.notspam writes:
:>
:>In <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-MOkz9S42IsOK@tcpserver>, on 11/05/99 
:>   at 01:27 AM, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) said:
:>>> 
:>>> Which ETC should be my ETC directory, \tcpip\dos\etc or \mptn\etc?  I
keep
:>>> seeing different recommendations.
:>
:>>The SET ETC=\mptn\etc command is for CONFIG.SYS
:>>and applies to OS/2 applications.
:>
:>>The SET ETC=\TCPIP\DOS\ETC is for AUTOEXEC.BAT
:>>and applies to DOS and WINOS2 applications.

In my system

SET ETC=C:\MPTN\ETC is the same in the autoexec.bat and config.sys.

but note: if you have SET ETC=C:\MPTN\ETC in one 
		  and SET ETC= C:\MPTN\ETC in the other it will not work.<G> Took me the
longest time to see the error.

This is on a Warp4 system.


>This makes sense!  Thanks.  Let's hope it solves my problems.
:>
:>Where does winsock.dll belong, in \tcpip\dos\etc?  I know there should be
:>only one one copy, and it should be the one the came with Warp.

Anywhere in a defined path in your autoexec.bat  but C:\TCPIP\dos\bin

is common place to find it. 
:>
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Remove "@I_hate_spam" from address to reply.... 

              
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 17:02:02
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <38246b38$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, letoured@nospam.net 
says...
>In <MPG.128d894a6024e0a6989a9e@news1.mnsinc.com>, on 11/06/99 
>   at 12:40 AM, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:
>
>>I don't recall saying that WinNT is the way of the future. As for
>>posting, why  not? I don't force anyone to read what I have to type?
>
>>However, I would enjoy reading about the lies I am spreading. That would
>>be  interesting.
>
>Why don't you just stop cluttering this new group!
>
>_____________
>Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
>
>

Why don't you use a filter and spare yourself some grief?
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 17:01:21
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksaw62.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:40:13 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>
>>I don't recall saying that WinNT is the way of the future. As for posting,
why 
>>not? I don't force anyone to read what I have to type?
>
>$eem$ to be the ways for your future, Bill want$ you to dig deeper in your
>pocket$.

No one named Bill has made any such requests of me. BTW, do you not have a 's' 

on your keyboard?


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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 17:02:17
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <38246F04.A5BB7AD6@e-mail.com>, operagost@e-mail.com says...
>Feel your hatred! Soon your journey to the dark side will be complete!
>
>Oh, I see I'm a bit late!
>

What hatred?
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From: billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net                06-Nov-99 16:44:23
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 and RAM Disk cache

From: "Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:21:20 GMT, John Thompson wrote:

:>In <7vi5gi$6n7$4@news.ox.ac.uk>, engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)
writes:
:>
:>>As suggested here, I tried putting my NS disk cache on a RAM disk. 
:>
:>But why?  Why not just set your memory cache value higher?
:>
:>-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)
:>
I was gonna say the same thing.  A RAMDisk just eats up your available
memory.

Bill
Team OS/2

-----

OS/2 - If you want "productivity" to be more than a few
four-letter words.



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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 17:06:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksbc84.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:21:47 -0500 (EST), /2 User wrote:
>
>Hey David, we are already at our 3rd (OS/2 will never see) Netscape release
>and Scietech is working on display drivers for us. So go put that in your
>pipe and smoke it.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

Are you kidding? Both of us by a Matrox G400 or TNT2. We both install it, only 

mine actually works, out of the box and as advertised.

You have to wait for Scitech, then shell out even more money just to get 
partial functionality, but you are claiming that 'Bill want$' me to dig deeper 

in my pocket? 

It is to laugh.



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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 17:07:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <801fdl$9t4$1@panix.com>, jbrock@panix.com says...
>In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkqum32.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>,
>/2 User <redonn2@<NOSPAM> wrote:
>>On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:52:16 GMT, David T. Anderson wrote:
>
>>>The former Ominor does have a few worthwhile things to say, although I
>>>remain mystified why he bothers to hang about OS/2 newsgroups when he 
>>>has obviously decided beyond any shadow of doubt that WinNT is the way
>>>of the future...
>
>>It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2 and the
>>biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he used
>>to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?
>
>I found McCoy's "Ominor" shtick singularly unimpressive, and I said so
>at the time.  Given that he has spent *far* more time bashing OS/2 than
>he ever spent advocating it, maybe that was his plan from the start!
>

You've got it! Wow! How'd you guess?

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 17:07:14
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksayb3.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On 6 Nov 1999 09:53:41 -0500, John Brock wrote:
>
>>>It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2 and the
>>>biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he used
>>>to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?
>>
>>I found McCoy's "Ominor" shtick singularly unimpressive, and I said so
>>at the time.  Given that he has spent *far* more time bashing OS/2 than
>>he ever spent advocating it, maybe that was his plan from the start!
>
>Maybe he has always secretly admired Bill Gates;-)
>
>

He's having dinner with me right now.

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            06-Nov-99 17:09:20
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: OS/2 Application Gripes

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <slrn827l3u.165.kapeka@wild-ki.netzservice.de>, kapeka@wild-
ki.netzservice.de says...
>On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:53:19 -0500, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
>>wrote:
>>Ominor was a joke and clearly meant more to you guys than to me.
>
>The same joke as David McCoy nowadays?

Don't flatter yourself. Your opinion of me, good or ill doesn't matter.

>If Ominor's MS bashing was a joke, and the McCoy's OS/2 bashing is a joke,
>please choose the appropriate newsgroups.
>I avoid these groups, as a humourless person I am. 
>Why do I still see messages in groups like *.apps, where they don't belong
to?
>Ok, slrn is scoring you with -9999; no joke.

Great! Plonk!

>kp
>




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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              06-Nov-99 21:53:15
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Steve Snyder wrote:
> 
> 
> I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.
> 
    You do? I thought Seagate dropped os/2 support. The STT8000N came
out long after they stopped updating their os/2 program.

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                06-Nov-99 13:52:04
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

In comp.os.os2.apps article <38243ef5_1@news.calweb.com> John M Price PhD
<jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:
: In comp.os.os2.apps article
<flfedpjJLvGI-pn2-ZFpev52z1KRJ@fenner50.anu.edu.au> Khairil Yusof
<mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au> wrote:
: : On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:24:29, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

: :> Well, I installed it.  It continually 'times out'.  Thinking it is teh
: :> connection, I tried the version with Netscape for Win98 - no problem.

: : If you don't have any problems using telnet to reach other sites, try
putting in
: : port 23 in the settings.

: On th elogin.oscar, replacing 5190, I can't even get authorized.

That seems like a real network error.  It does seem to work better at port
23 now.  

Thanks!




: -- 
: John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
: Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
:   Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
: Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
:                      Syndicate Section III - Number 1

: Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction
: of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet, we
: have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect
: of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half
: hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
:            - Thomas Jefferson



-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

"There is no goal [to natural selection].  There is indeed a result, 
but it is unplanned, and simply takes advantage of the extant phenotypes.  
It utilizes what by some is called 'pre-adaptation', the existence 
of a phenotypic and correspondingly genotypic subgroup of individuals 
which, when looked at post hoc, had those traits which survived 
a specifc change in the selective pressures."
              - John M Price, PhD  (On SKEPTIC)

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From: wsrue@ATTGlobal.net                               06-Nov-99 17:07:19
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net>

The User's Guide says that PC DOS must be installed on C:, implying that
I would have to reinstall OS/2 on some other partition first.

Is there some way I can set the (CD) install to use, say, H: instead?  I
assume that the Bootmanager hookup would be no problem in any case.

Thanks in advance.

-Walter

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        06-Nov-99 22:47:19
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 under os/2

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <38239CDC.BA3A27C@linkline.com>, "Graham C. Norris"
<spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com> writes:
>John Poltorak wrote:
>> Can someone explain the point of having %ETC% using different directories
>> under OS/2 and DOS? I'd much rather have a single hosts file which is used
>> from all environments.
>
>It's quite likely because ETC doesn't always just contain a couple of
>tables of data, especially on *nix. 

Yes, on Unix systems there lots of file stored in ETC. But it doesn't matter
how many files are there, as long as the ones required by particular
applications are there.

>Also, if the DOS support is less
>capable than the OS/2 support, some of the files you don't change may
>need to be different.

Which files might need to be different?

> Finally, if you have dual boot you may actually
>want a separate DOS ETC directory for TCP/IP under DOS (the OS/2 one
>might be on HPFS).

If you have dual boot, the OS/2 one will not be on HPFS.

> I'll agree it's a pain!
>
>Graham.

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          07-Nov-99 07:53:23
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 21:41:10
Subj: Re: GRADD:  was Re: warp 3 & 4 install

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On 6 Nov 1999 11:30:47 GMT, Dominique Pivard wrote:

:>Thanks for the detailed explanation of the advantages offered by the 
:>GRADD drivers over the native Matrox drivers. I have a Matrox Mystique
:>4MB video adapter and a Hauppauge TV card. I wished I could get either
:>the GRADD or the SDD drivers to work on my system, but neither do. The
:>2.31.100 Matrox drivers work fine otherwise, but the quality of the 
:>display is poor in the TV picture (vertical stripes) and CPU usage is 
:>indeed high (I have a lowly Cyrix P166+). Since GRADD 0.80 and SDD 
:>beta 9 wouldn't install, I'm now waiting for the next versions ...

There was a problem with the disk image of GRADD 0.80. It forgot to
put a label on the disk. I believe you should label it GRADD 1.

It installs just fine here but when I boot up it stops just before the
desktop
loads with a flashing cursor in the left-hand corner. SDD 9 installed and
worked but I'm too stupid to figure out how to set the refresh rates and
centre the screen.

I'm running a Matrox G400 16Mb.

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               07-Nov-99 00:20:00
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 21:41:10
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

fgearhart@voyager.net schrieb:

> Really?  I've been running OD1.5 since it came out, and kinda
> suspected it caused some instability, but was never certain.
> Especially since I couldn't directly attribute any 'hangs' to OD.
> Does it really cause instability problems?  Is it better in OD2.0?
> 
> Fritz

Do yourself a favor and deregister OD's TSEnhancedFolder class. You'll
loose almost only features that didn't work right anyway. I did this and
my system got a lot more stable. You can achieve it by directly
deregistering the class (i.e. with XFolder's WPS classes notebook page)
or by using the softwareware installer and selecting "Enhanced Folders"
for deinstall.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 06-Nov-99 16:56:05
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 21:41:10
Subj: Re: Linkwiz

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

dave@david-lister.co.uk wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Does anyone have experience of Linkwiz?
>
>I have used it regularly since I went to OS/2 several years ago now and
>rely on it entirely since I transfer files between my desktop & notebook
>every day.  Generally, I find it OK, but it has problems - the main one
>being PCX themselves! Their support is, in my experience, non-existant.
>
>Anyway, the reason for my query now is that I have version 2.52 which
>dates back to 1996 and I don't think that it is Y2K compliant.  Lately
>I've tried to go to PCX's website and can't connect.  Does anyone know if
>they are still in business??  If not, does anyone have experience of a
>good alternative product?  I also used Linkright for a while but that died
>too!
>
>Dave Lister
>-------------------------------------------------------------

I might suggest switching to Jan van Wijk's LPT utility. 
While it is VIO only, it lends itself to automation via
scripts and batchfiles.  Check out Hobbes -- it should be at 

  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/comm/lpt207.zip

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 06-Nov-99 16:52:13
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 21:41:10
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

>In comp.os.os2.apps article
<flfedpjJLvGI-pn2-ZFpev52z1KRJ@fenner50.anu.edu.au> Khairil Yusof
<mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au> wrote:
>: On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:24:29, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:
>
>:> Well, I installed it.  It continually 'times out'.  Thinking it is teh
>:> connection, I tried the version with Netscape for Win98 - no problem.
>
>: If you don't have any problems using telnet to reach other sites, try
putting in
>: port 23 in the settings.
>
>On th elogin.oscar, replacing 5190, I can't even get authorized.
>
>
>-- 
>John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
>Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
>  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
>Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
>                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1
>
>Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction
>of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet, we
>have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect
>of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half
>hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
>           - Thomas Jefferson
>

John -- or Thomas --

You don't indicate which version of AIM/Java you're trying
to install.  IAC there was an extended discussion about
these issues about a month or two ago.  Fwiw version 1.0.13
works here.   Check out Deja and see what you come up with.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 06-Nov-99 17:42:00
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 21:41:10
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

fgearhart@voyager.net wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:33:19, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net 
>(Raphael Tennenbaum) wrote:
>
>> jldasch@3-cities.com (John L. Daschbach) wrote:
>> 
>> >schnip>
>> >
>> >	Perspective:
>> >	OS/2 (with Object Desktop) still has one of the best user
>> >interfaces going.  Much of this is because of the WPS and SOME.
>> >Nothing I have used or read about approaches OS/2 in terms of desktop
>> >power *and* configurability.  However this comes at a price, and that
>> >price is stability.  I have had OS/2 up for weeks, but at times,
>> >especially when using *real* applications, the WPS gets totally
>> >wacked, windows don't repaint, objects partially freeze on the screen,
>> >the system won't respond to keyboard or mouse.  This is typically when
>> >using the combination of Navigator and a Lotus product (WordPro, 123,
>> >Approach, Freelance).  The only solution is a hard reboot.  Other
>> >times programs have problems and there is no way to kill them, at
>> >least using the tools I have.  In other words, OS/2 when it works is
>> >great, when it doesn't it's hell.
>> >
>> >more schnip>
>> >	
>> >	Thoughts?
>> >
>> >-John
>> 
>> 
>> Uh huh.  1) Uninstall OD, which is probably 95% of what's
>> kerflooey on your system.  Replace with freeware Xfolder.
>> 2) Apply the latest fix for Netscape 4.04.  3) Reinstall
>> your video drivers, especially if there's newer ones
>> available for your card.  4) Clean up your INI files with
>> Henk Kelder's wptools.
>> 
>> -Ray
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
>> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com
>
>Really?  I've been running OD1.5 since it came out, and kinda 
>suspected it caused some instability, but was never certain.  
>Especially since I couldn't directly attribute any 'hangs' to OD.  
>Does it really cause instability problems?  Is it better in OD2.0?

To be honest, I can't tell you, since I heard so many horror
stories I never bothered with either.  My basic feeling is
that there's freeware or reasonably-priced shareware to do
everything (or practically everything) that OD does.  To
start with, have a look at Xfolder

   ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/wps/xfld085.zip

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               06-Nov-99 19:32:18
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 21:41:10
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:06:06 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:

>Are you kidding? Both of us by a Matrox G400 or TNT2. We both install it,
only 
>mine actually works, out of the box and as advertised.

On my box, windoze95 and 98 always had problems with my G200, I ended up
using totally unaccelerated setting to make it partially stable (as if
windows can even be made that). OS/2 has never had a problem with any driver
in the same damn box. But the main point is Scietech is developing for the OS
that would never have Netscape;-)

One thing I know it will never have, that wretched Internet Exploder.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             06-Nov-99 17:20:14
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: HTML stripper?

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 13:19:12 -0500, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>The name of the EXE was UNHTML.  But I have an HTML.EXE that seems to be
purely
>command line driven.  Does anybody know if there are actually two different
>programs of this general nature?

There's probably more like 20 or 30 different programs of this general
and SPECIFIC nature.


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From: swsnyder@home.com                                 07-Nov-99 02:07:16
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:53:30 GMT, James Moe wrote:

>Steve Snyder wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.
>> 
>    You do? I thought Seagate dropped os/2 support. The STT8000N came
>out long after they stopped updating their os/2 program.

Maybe the STT8000N is compatible with some drive that is officially 
supported.  In any case, Seagate Backup Exec v3.0 (file dates 
are 10/31/96) *does* work with that tape drive.


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com                    06-Nov-99 18:20:02
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 under os/2

From: "Graham C. Norris" <spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com>

John Poltorak wrote:
> >Also, if the DOS support is less
> >capable than the OS/2 support, some of the files you don't change may
> >need to be different.
> 
> Which files might need to be different?

Well, I don't know, I didn't write this stuff!

> > Finally, if you have dual boot you may actually
> >want a separate DOS ETC directory for TCP/IP under DOS (the OS/2 one
> >might be on HPFS).
> 
> If you have dual boot, the OS/2 one will not be on HPFS.

You can stick your ETC directory where-ever you like, you can install
TCP/IP on HPFS in a dual boot environment.

Graham.

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      07-Nov-99 01:32:04
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <3824A6AA.33E9290E@ATTGlobal.net>, "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net>
writes:

>The User's Guide says that PC DOS must be installed on C:, implying that
>I would have to reinstall OS/2 on some other partition first.
>
>Is there some way I can set the (CD) install to use, say, H: instead?  I
>assume that the Bootmanager hookup would be no problem in any case.

If you select the OS/2 "Advanced" installation you will be able 
to install OS/2 on any partition, primary or logical, that the 
BIOS can see.

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: wsrue@ATTGlobal.net                               06-Nov-99 23:00:01
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net>

I wasn't clear.  I meant to ask if PC DOS could possibly be installed in
a partition that is not C: ?  I doubt I will install it at all if OS/2
must be reinstalled (in another partition) just to make room for it.

However, thanks for the response.

John Thompson wrote:
> 
> In <3824A6AA.33E9290E@ATTGlobal.net>, "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net>
writes:
> 
> >The User's Guide says that PC DOS must be installed on C:, implying that
> >I would have to reinstall OS/2 on some other partition first.
> >
> >Is there some way I can set the (CD) install to use, say, H: instead?  I
> >assume that the Bootmanager hookup would be no problem in any case.
> 
> If you select the OS/2 "Advanced" installation you will be able
> to install OS/2 on any partition, primary or logical, that the
> BIOS can see.
> 
> -John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: postmaster@aol.com                                06-Nov-99 20:48:27
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Java for Warp3 ?????

From: "Dan Kozisek" <postmaster@aol.com>

Do you know where I can get this?

>
>The latest Java (JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990910) works fine here 
>(Warp 3, FP 42)
>



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From: khalsa@attglobal.net                              07-Nov-99 00:08:10
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Quicken 98 won't install

From: Satnam Singh <khalsa@attglobal.net>

I get "Wrong Windows version" when I try to install Quicken 98 under
Winos2.  I'm only interested in running a checkbook, and accounting for
credit cards/assets;  don't care abount downloading transactions via
internet access, etc.

I'm running Warp 3 Connect Blue spine fp40.  I've noted in an unrelated
thread, someone stated Quicken requires latest "MS Video"???  Anyone
know if this is true, what it is?
Satnam Singh

--
To reply delete "deletehere." from return email address


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From: debu4335@dpnet.net                                07-Nov-99 01:20:21
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>

Satnam Singh wrote:

> I get "Wrong Windows version" when I try to install Quicken 98 under
> Winos2.  I'm only interested in running a checkbook, and accounting for
> credit cards/assets;

I get the same error, but not when trying to install Quicken98. That
went fine for me. I get the error when trying to run WordPerfect 7 suite
for Windows 3.1, or when trying to run the version of MSIE that shipped
with Quicken98.

> don't care abount downloading transactions via internet access, etc.

You should. The only way to get updates and bugfixes to Quicken98 is to
use MSIE.

-- 
Mike DeBusk  ÿ  North East, Maryland USA  ÿ  Team OS/2
Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences

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From: Peter.Weilbacher@T-Online.de                      07-Nov-99 10:05:21
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 05:18:09
Subj: Memory full??

From: Peter.Weilbacher@T-Online.de

Hello,

I have the problem that at some point OS/2 tells me that it cannot start
any programs or modules, because the memory is full.  The first thing I 
notice most of the time is, that I hear the error-tones from DragText 
and I cannot drag anything. So I though DragText may be responsible, but
this time I couldn't connect to any host with Netscape 4.61, it told me 
"no such domain: www.zdnet.com" (where I wanted to look up about the M$ 
trial).

I have 98 MB in total which are all recognized by OS/2 and this 
phenomenon seems to take place, when I have about 14 MB free (as MemSize
tells me). I also have 71 MB of unused swap-space left. I tried the > 64
MB switch in the BIOS, at first it was disabled (from my 32 MB times 
where I didn't have these problems ;-) ), but now it is enabled and I 
still have this problem.

Perhaps someone has an idea?

Greetings,
	Peter.

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  07-Nov-99 09:11:02
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 05:18:09
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

1) If you don't need for the DOS partition to have access to the OS/2 
partition, there is a way. If you can put a primary partiton on the same 
drive, then either one or the other will be active, and neither will even 
exist as far as the other is concerned.

2) If the OS/2 partition is formatted for HPFS, PC-DOS won't see the OS/2 
partition, and it will be C:.

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 04:00:02, "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net> wrote:

> I wasn't clear.  I meant to ask if PC DOS could possibly be installed in
> a partition that is not C: ?  I doubt I will install it at all if OS/2
> must be reinstalled (in another partition) just to make room for it.
> 
> However, thanks for the response.
> 
> John Thompson wrote:
> > 
> > In <3824A6AA.33E9290E@ATTGlobal.net>, "Walter S. Rue"
<wsrue@ATTGlobal.net> writes:
> > 
> > >The User's Guide says that PC DOS must be installed on C:, implying that
> > >I would have to reinstall OS/2 on some other partition first.
> > >
> > >Is there some way I can set the (CD) install to use, say, H: instead?  I
> > >assume that the Bootmanager hookup would be no problem in any case.
> > 
> > If you select the OS/2 "Advanced" installation you will be able
> > to install OS/2 on any partition, primary or logical, that the
> > BIOS can see.
> > 
> > -John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void                      06-Nov-99 19:14:25
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 10:20:13
Subj: Re: OS/2 Application Gripes

From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman)

What version of Smart Suite are you using?  The original poster was using
version 1.1.  There were several fixes that were specific to Approach in
version 1.1.1.  This upgrade was made freely available months ago.  If you
have not upgraded, I would recommend doing so.  

I have not attempted anything terribly complex with Approach, nor have I
created any "huge" databases.  I have been using it to fill some gaps in
software for my business.  Version 1.1.1, though still not perfect, has
been doing the job very well.

Sander Nyman

>I've read through a few of the responses and not to be redundant but, as
>far as Approach goes, I would agree with the complaints. My system also
>locks up and I have experienced problems with queries, that work
>perfectly in Windows based Approach versions. I hope IBM will take note
>of this, or Lotus!!!.

>jwelton@my-deja.com wrote:

>> I hate to be negative but I have two very big gripes
>> with two important OS/2 applications that make my
>> OS/2 life living hell.
>>
>> First Gripe:  Approach with SmartSuite 2.2 v1.1.  Now I
>> PAID for this program and I expect this program to
>> work for me but it continues to fail in the stretch.
>>
>> I have a large dbase of approximately 3,000 video movies
>> and I'm adding all the time. I'm a real video hound and
>> record just about everything I come across.  I list them
>> in categories like classic movies (usually old B&W), hit
>> movies, TV Specials, Sports Events, etc.  You name it and
>> I've probably got it somewhere on the shelf, labeled,
>> titled and numbered for easy finding.
>>
>> My problem with Approach has been trying to print out
>> various or special reports.  We've set up sort of a video
>> club and there are friends who ask for a list of all
>> mysteries or sports, etc.  Each and every time I try to
>> sort the full worksheet of all the records down to just
>> particular cateogories Approach freezes up solid on me.
>> It will take me days and a lot of luck to get one
>> specialized listing printed.
>>
>> It is very embarrassing because I live in the dorms and
>> one of the very few OS/2 users.  I'm very proud of OS/2
>> but I die a thousand deaths when a group of college buddies
>> come in and ask me if I've got "such and such a movie" and
>> why don't you just print out a list so we can pick and choose?
>>
>> I finally gave up on trying to print out a full listing of
>> all movies with SS/2 and turned to the dbase in IBMWorks.
>> IBMWorks would not read a dbf4 file but it would read a dbf3.
>> From there I was able to print out a full listing of every
>> video.  It is an awful looking report though and I don't know
>> how to sort the records into categories and just print out
>> each categorie (if anyone knows email me with the instructions).
>>
>> That's my complaint with SS/2.  I want the Lotus developers to
>> get off their damn butts and fix this program so it works
>> properly.  If I want to sort my dbase then control/hide all
>> the unnecessary or unwanted records so I can create a nice
>> looking report of special or a group of designated records
>> I should be able to do it.  I PAID for this DAMN program
>> dammit!
>>
>> Gripe No. 2:
>>
>> Trying to empty my trash in Netscape 4.6.1.  I know I've complained
>> about this before and I know the Netscape Team is working on it
>> (or has it fixed for the next release of Communicator) but get off
>> your duffs and release an update ASAP.  I get a lot of spam that
>> goes straight to the dumper (trash).  If the subject line as the
>> letters sex, babe, lottery, casino, etc, I never see it but after
>> a while my trash folder is huge.  I've tried every possible way
>> to empty it hoping it won't crash Netscape or bring my system
>> to a halt without fail.  If it only crashees Netscape the next
>> time I open Communicator there is a tmp file filled with my trash.
>> I try to delete that file and Communicator crashes.  I start it
>> up again and I've got ANOTHER temp file of my temp file trash.
>> It's a catch22 and it just keeps building itself.  I've got
>> tons of hard disk space (now have 20 gig) but it is stupid to
>> have an application that won't let me empty my deleted emails
>> or an application that doubles my deleted emails if I try to
>> delete them.  FIX the DAMN thing DAMMIT!
>>
>> Communicator is free and I do appreciate it but give me a break,
>> huh?  What good is it if I have to keep uninstalling the program
>> and reinstalling the program just to empty my trash?
>>
>> OS/2 has so many wonderful things going for it that I want the
>> (few, i.e., dbase) applications we have to at least work well
>> enough to give us what we need.
>>
>> Sorry if I rambled on.  I struggled tonight trying to print out
>> a list of horror movies (Halloween in the dorms) and was shown
>> up by some weeny across campus using ACCESS and Win95!  I've got
>> better movies but I can't prove it with a print out! :-(
>>
>> Jeff

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                07-Nov-99 02:02:12
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 10:20:13
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

In comp.os.os2.apps article <bMKJ4oXf0bvJ092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>
Raphael Tennenbaum <raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net> wrote:

: John -- or Thomas --

: You don't indicate which version of AIM/Java you're trying
: to install.  IAC there was an extended discussion about
: these issues about a month or two ago.  Fwiw version 1.0.13
: works here.   Check out Deja and see what you come up with.

Yes, as I noted, I think there really was a network error, or congestion,
going on.  I do have 1.0.13, and it works, however it seems that it always
needs to have me login twice - the first time shutting down almost
immediately - and it fails to resend the registration email.  It should
not even need to worry about that one, as I am registered for a while now,
and had returned the original email.  It did have the correct email
address as well, so I know it got tat from the oscar machine.



-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

The essence of wisdom... lies not in what is known but rather in the
manner in which that knowledge is held and in how that knowledge is put to
use. To be wise is not to know particular facts but to know without
excessive confidence or excessive cautiousness. Wisdom is thus not a
belief, a value, a set of facts, a corpus of knowledge or information in
some specialized area, or a set of special abilities or skills. Wisdom is
an attitude taken by persons toward the beliefs, values, knowledge,
information, abilities, and skills that are held, a tendency to doubt that
these are necessarily true or valid and to doubt that they are an
exhaustive set of those things that could be known.
        - Robert J. Sternberg in "Wisdom" (Cambridge, 1990)

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                07-Nov-99 01:01:15
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 10:20:13
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <3824F942.7301CE10@ATTGlobal.net>,
"Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net> wrote:
>I wasn't clear.  I meant to ask if PC DOS could possibly be installed in
>a partition that is not C: ?  I doubt I will install it at all if OS/2
>must be reinstalled (in another partition) just to make room for it.
>

Sorry, that's not possible. DOS HAS to boot from the C: drive.

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From: dmhills@attglobal.net                             07-Nov-99 23:23:26
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 10:20:14
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills)

In article <3824F942.7301CE10@ATTGlobal.net>,
"Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net> wrote:
>I wasn't clear.  I meant to ask if PC DOS could possibly be installed in
>a partition that is not C: ?  I doubt I will install it at all if OS/2
>must be reinstalled (in another partition) just to make room for it.

PC (or MS) DOS must be installed on the C: partition. You can:

- Install OS/2 on a parttion other than C:.

- Install DOS and OS/2 in the same partition
  (requires the partition to be formatted FAT).

- Define two primary partitions on the first hard disk and install Boot
  Manager.

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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From: dmhills@attglobal.net                             07-Nov-99 23:15:06
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 10:20:14
Subj: Re: HTML stripper?

From: dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills)

In article <3824721a$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>, lifedata@xxvol.com
wrote:
>I once has a program that removed the HTML codes from a text document.  I
could
>drag HTMLs onto its icon on my desktop and it would place the text file in a
>directory.

You can use your HTML.EXE program for drag'n'drop. I'll assume that the
command syntax of HTML.EXE is: HTML infile outfile, for example:
D:\PROGRAMS\HTML D:\HTMLFILES\MYFILE.HTML D:\TEXTFILES\MYFILE.TXT

1/. Drag a program object out of the template folder onto the desktop.
2/. On the Program tab, fill in the Path and file name:
    D:\PROGRAMS\HTML.EXE
3/. In the Parameters field, put: %* D:\TEXTFILES\%**N.TXT

For a full description of the various things you can put in the
Parameters field, click on the Help at the bottom of the Properties
notebook.

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             07-Nov-99 11:49:18
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 10:20:14
Subj: Re: Java for Warp3 ?????

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

Yes, I know:

ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118/

For some reason, I haven't been able to access it yesterday and today,
but Hursley is the official site for Java at IBM.

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 04:48:55, "Dan Kozisek" <postmaster@aol.com> wrote:

> Do you know where I can get this?
>
> >The latest Java (JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990910) works fine here 
> >(Warp 3, FP 42)

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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              07-Nov-99 14:58:27
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: CD-RW for OS2

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

I'm considering buying a Yamaha  6x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW kit with
an Adaptec PCI SCSI interface card to run on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11,
system. Can anyone tell me their experience with such a setup?  How
about drivers for OS2?  What problems have been encountered, etc?  The
price is right on this combination but it's no good to me if it won't
run in OS2.
Thanks for any help,
Willard


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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                07-Nov-99 15:16:12
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:06:06, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
wrote:

> In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksbc84.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
> nospam_evr@spam.net says...
> >On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:21:47 -0500 (EST), /2 User wrote:
> >
> >Hey David, we are already at our 3rd (OS/2 will never see) Netscape release
> >and Scietech is working on display drivers for us. So go put that in your
> >pipe and smoke it.

> Are you kidding? Both of us by a Matrox G400 or TNT2. We both install it,
only 
> mine actually works, out of the box and as advertised.
> 
> You have to wait for Scitech, then shell out even more money just to get 
> partial functionality, but you are claiming that 'Bill want$' me to dig
deeper 
> in my pocket? 
> 
> It is to laugh.

More money for what? Scitech will be free to OS/2 users.

> ---------------------------------------
> David H. McCoy
> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
> ---------------------------------------

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                07-Nov-99 15:24:16
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:07:29, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
wrote:

> In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksayb3.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
> nospam_evr@spam.net says...
> >On 6 Nov 1999 09:53:41 -0500, John Brock wrote:

> >>>It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2 and
the
> >>>biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he
used
> >>>to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?

> >>I found McCoy's "Ominor" shtick singularly unimpressive, and I said so
> >>at the time.  Given that he has spent *far* more time bashing OS/2 than
> >>he ever spent advocating it, maybe that was his plan from the start!

> >Maybe he has always secretly admired Bill Gates;-)

> He's having dinner with me right now.

Still delusional I see. Coming from the guy who thought OS/2 would 
take over the desktop. Coming from the guy who thought Communicator/2 
4.6 would never be released. Your track record shows that you have 
ZERO insight to this industry, and your delusions show that you are a 
sad character. Fun to read though. 

> ---------------------------------------
> David H. McCoy
> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
> ---------------------------------------

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      07-Nov-99 12:59:08
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <3824F942.7301CE10@ATTGlobal.net>, "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net>
writes:

>I wasn't clear.  I meant to ask if PC DOS could possibly be installed in
>a partition that is not C: ?  I doubt I will install it at all if OS/2
>must be reinstalled (in another partition) just to make room for it.

IIRC, niether PC- nor MS-DOS will boot from anything but a 
primary partition, eg C:.  I seem to recall that OpenDOS/DR-DOS 
can boot from a logical partition, though.  You can download a 
free copy from Caldera's web site.

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net                            07-Nov-99 16:16:03
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net

In <38251A3B.4C1E1FF9@dpnet.net>, Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net> writes:
>Satnam Singh wrote:
>
>> I get "Wrong Windows version" when I try to install Quicken 98 under
>> Winos2.  I'm only interested in running a checkbook, and accounting for
>> credit cards/assets;
>
>I get the same error, but not when trying to install Quicken98. That
>went fine for me. I get the error when trying to run WordPerfect 7 suite
>for Windows 3.1, or when trying to run the version of MSIE that shipped
>with Quicken98.
>
>> don't care abount downloading transactions via internet access, etc.
>
>You should. The only way to get updates and bugfixes to Quicken98 is to
>use MSIE.
>

I have Warp 4 here, and I have several Win 3.1 programs on my
system which are running fine, including MS Office 4.1, Word Perfect
6.1, Timeline 6.1, and Quicken 98.

I can remember getting those messages once in a while, but was able to
eliminat them by tweaking the settings in the settings notebook.  Mine
are run in a full screen WINOS2 session, and they are all set for enhanced
mode.  After that, I make sure they have enough memory to run.  If they
have trouble installing, try to tweak the Program Manager settings for the
WINOS2 session before the install. 

After installing the programs, I have them all set up on individual icons
so that they cn be started directly from an OS/2 folder.

If I remember corectly, the messages being observed above were MS's
way of trying to defeat OS/2 installs in the early days.

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Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
Plymouth, MN
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            07-Nov-99 11:35:23
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksxid1.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:06:06 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>
>>Are you kidding? Both of us by a Matrox G400 or TNT2. We both install it,
only 
>>mine actually works, out of the box and as advertised.
>
>On my box, windoze95 and 98 always had problems with my G200, I ended up
>using totally unaccelerated setting to make it partially stable (as if
>windows can even be made that). OS/2 has never had a problem with any driver
>in the same damn box. But the main point is Scietech is developing for the OS
>that would never have Netscape;-)

First, what exactly does that have to do with the G400 or TnT2? Second, I'm
not 
suprised that you have problems with Windows. Most OS/2 users in this group 
seem to have an almost mystical ability to hose Windows in ways that defy
other 
Windows users. Finally, your main point doesn't seem to address the fact you 
will have to pay for those drivers when they are released on top of paying for 

the card.

>One thing I know it will never have, that wretched Internet Exploder.

IE, IMO, is currently better than Netscape.

>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            07-Nov-99 11:44:14
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <uprsNDlpp0Dh-pn2-I6w3DW6ERgbZ@f03-207-41-174-103.i-2000.net>, 
jhimmel@i-2000.com says...
>On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:06:06, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
>wrote:
>
>> In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksbc84.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
>> nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>> >On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:21:47 -0500 (EST), /2 User wrote:
>> >
>> >Hey David, we are already at our 3rd (OS/2 will never see) Netscape
release
>> >and Scietech is working on display drivers for us. So go put that in your
>> >pipe and smoke it.
>
>> Are you kidding? Both of us by a Matrox G400 or TNT2. We both install it,
only 
>> mine actually works, out of the box and as advertised.
>> 
>> You have to wait for Scitech, then shell out even more money just to get 
>> partial functionality, but you are claiming that 'Bill want$' me to dig
deeper 
>> in my pocket? 
>> 
>> It is to laugh.
>
>More money for what? Scitech will be free to OS/2 users.
>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> David H. McCoy
>> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
>> ---------------------------------------
>
>[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]
>


Currently, Scitech is $40 for the OS/2 version.  Therefore, I can only imagine 

that you are talking about the license with IBM. Allow me to address this.

From the Scitech press release - http://www.scitechsoft.com/in_press22.html

SciTech Display Doctor/se for OS/2 Warp distributed by IBM will include the 
following features:

"GRADD" driver with GUI hardware acceleration 
Resolutions: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1600x1200 
Color Depths: 8, 15,16,24 and 32 Bits Per Pixel 
Refresh rates: 60 - 85Hz refresh 
Support for many graphics chips. 

In addition to the features listed above, SciTech Display Doctor Professional 
for OS/2 Warp sold by SciTech will include:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Support for ultra high resolutions up to 2048x1536 
Support for creating new display modes and refresh rates 
Support for 16:9 display modes 
Refresh rates of 120Hz+ 
Future features will include video and 3D acceleration 


So, in the best case, you will have more cards if Scitech continues to support 

newer cards which is of course a positive. However, that support will most 
likely continue to be offered with some lag time after Windows. Furthermore,
it 
is obvious that this support is desperately needed considering that difficulty 

in finding those older cards that OS/2 still supports. 

The IBM/Scitech agreement sends a clear message that neither IBM nor hardware 
vendors are interested in making OS/2 drivers, but this does present a great 
'window' of opportunity for Scitech.

Finally, again, you will have drivers that are inferior to those that ship
with 
the card and must PAY for a version of Scitech to get those advanced features.





-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            07-Nov-99 11:46:29
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <uprsNDlpp0Dh-pn2-TMeJdMXdXxJt@f03-207-41-174-103.i-2000.net>, 
jhimmel@i-2000.com says...
>On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:07:29, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
>wrote:
>
>> In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksayb3.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
>> nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>> >On 6 Nov 1999 09:53:41 -0500, John Brock wrote:
>
>> >>>It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2 and
the
>> >>>biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he
used
>> >>>to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?
>
>> >>I found McCoy's "Ominor" shtick singularly unimpressive, and I said so
>> >>at the time.  Given that he has spent *far* more time bashing OS/2 than
>> >>he ever spent advocating it, maybe that was his plan from the start!
>
>> >Maybe he has always secretly admired Bill Gates;-)
>
>> He's having dinner with me right now.
>
>Still delusional I see. Coming from the guy who thought OS/2 would 
>take over the desktop. Coming from the guy who thought Communicator/2 
>4.6 would never be released. Your track record shows that you have 
>ZERO insight to this industry, and your delusions show that you are a 
>sad character. Fun to read though. 
>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> David H. McCoy
>> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
>> ---------------------------------------
>
>[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]
>

I never thought it would take over the desktop, just be competitive with 
Windows. Also, while I admit that I thought 4.6 would never see the light of 
day, I think such precedents such as OpenDoc, Open32, OS/2's Java comeback, 
Innoval, SPG, the death of all OS/2 print mags, etc support such opinions.

You are still an asshole, I see, but a bore to read.

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        07-Nov-99 17:07:20
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:59:16, nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John 
Thompson) wrote:
> primary partition, eg C:.  I seem to recall that OpenDOS/DR-DOS 
> can boot from a logical partition, though.  You can download a 
> free copy from Caldera's web site.

at http://www.caldera.com/products/drdos/tryout.html

( I didn't find it immediately myself, so therefore posting it if other are 
interested)

regards, Jan

----------------------------------
Jan Eri -- Protector AS -- Norway
Work: http://www.protector-group.no
Priv: http://home.eunet.no/~jeri/

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               07-Nov-99 12:27:05
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:22
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: letoured@nospam.net

David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:

>>Why don't you just stop cluttering this new group!
>Why don't you use a filter and spare yourself some grief?

Because I feel a responsibility to help a**holes find themselves. 


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: egermain@mediaone.net                             07-Nov-99 18:04:21
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:22
Subj: Java 1.1.8 install problem revisited (aka @!#$&%#)

From: egermain@mediaone.net (Edward Germain)

<frustrated blush>

About a month ago a number of us had trouble installing Java 1.1.8.  
Many people in this newsgroup made suggestions; we put our heads 
together emailly, and we figured out our problems.  I posted a 
summary, I think, to this group, and also sent it to a half-dozen of 
the people who were still having problems.

Almost immediately after that, and before I made a backup, my computer
crashed.  The restore I did didn't include any of that correspondence 
or my summary of the solution.

So I'm here, hat in hand, hoping someone can help.

The problem we all faced was this: the computer hung on the steaming 
cup of coffee.  That's what mine is doing again.

I have Fixpack 11 installed, and Netscape 4.61.  I have deleted all 
references to Java in my Config.Sys.  I have erased all copies of 
FI.Ini and FISetup.Log.  I have reinstalled Feature Install, 1.39.  
According to the log, it looks as though it installed OK.

I have downloaded JDK 1.1.8 and have unpacked it in the 
\Features\Feature1 subdirectory.  

I reboot, go to that directory and type "Install."  I get 3 results:

1.  I get the JDK's spinning globe.  I pick "English" as my language. 

2  New screen with the steaming cup of coffee.  At the bottom of the 
screen it says "Reading Feature Install Response file".

3.  Now the bottom of the screen reads "Resolving the Feature Install 
variable" .

At this point everything hangs.  If I wait, I see that OS/2 has 
reported an Access violation in Install.Dll.  If I look at the windows
I have open, there is one named "Feature Install User Exit."  If I get
to that window, it says 'SYS 1041.  The name 1 is not recognized..." 
as a program.  

Beyond that I can't go.  The computer is frozen.

What have I forgotten to do?

--Ed Germain
egermain@mediaone.net

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                07-Nov-99 11:30:05
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:22
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <OsgV3.51602$23.1970700@typ11.nn.bcandid.com>,
areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) wrote:
>I'm considering buying a Yamaha  6x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW kit with
>an Adaptec PCI SCSI interface card to run on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11,
>system. Can anyone tell me their experience with such a setup?  How
>about drivers for OS2?  What problems have been encountered, etc?  The
>price is right on this combination but it's no good to me if it won't
>run in OS2.
>

Right off the bat... the 6416 runs just fine under all versions of OS/2 with
the exception of... there have been posts to the effect that the 6416 is not
able to cda with certain software...  Why? I have no idea as I don't own one.

I do own two 4416s drives that have worked flawlessly under os/2 in all
reguards.

--

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*            Sometimes, the BEST things in life really ARE free...           
*
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*
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*
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From: jamesjones01@home.net                             07-Nov-99 18:13:25
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:22
Subj: &emdash; vs. NS4.61

From: James Jones <jamesjones01@home.net>

Supposedly &emdash; gives one an em dash in HTML documents, but
experimentation shows that NS 4.61 doesn't appear to understand it.
Am I misspelling something (doubtful; I double checked)?  If there
really is a problem, is there a workaround?  Thanks.

    James Jones

Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of
any organization.

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From: osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi                             07-Nov-99 19:40:01
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi (osmo vuorio)

In article <3824A6AA.33E9290E@ATTGlobal.net>, "Walter S. Rue"
<wsrue@ATTGlobal.net> says:
>
>The User's Guide says that PC DOS must be installed on C:, implying that
>I would have to reinstall OS/2 on some other partition first.

You can allways use the double primary partition scheme
with OS/2 bootmanager. There is one bad point, primaries
will not see eachother is this case.

Osmo

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 07-Nov-99 14:46:29
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Satnam Singh <khalsa@attglobal.net> wrote:

>I get "Wrong Windows version" when I try to install Quicken 98 under
>Winos2.  I'm only interested in running a checkbook, and accounting for
>credit cards/assets;  don't care abount downloading transactions via
>internet access, etc.
>
>I'm running Warp 3 Connect Blue spine fp40.  I've noted in an unrelated
>thread, someone stated Quicken requires latest "MS Video"???  Anyone
>know if this is true, what it is?
>Satnam Singh
>
>--
>To reply delete "deletehere." from return email address
>
>


If you've got Java 1.1.7 or later installed, try Sean
Reilly's outstanding Java personal finance package,
Moneydance.  

http://seanreilly.com/java/moneydance/


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 07-Nov-99 14:27:17
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

>In comp.os.os2.apps article <bMKJ4oXf0bvJ092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>
Raphael Tennenbaum <raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>: John -- or Thomas --
>
>: You don't indicate which version of AIM/Java you're trying
>: to install.  IAC there was an extended discussion about
>: these issues about a month or two ago.  Fwiw version 1.0.13
>: works here.   Check out Deja and see what you come up with.
>
>Yes, as I noted, I think there really was a network error, or congestion,
>going on.  I do have 1.0.13, and it works, however it seems that it always
>needs to have me login twice - the first time shutting down almost
>immediately - and it fails to resend the registration email.  It should
>not even need to worry about that one, as I am registered for a while now,
>and had returned the original email.  It did have the correct email
>address as well, so I know it got tat from the oscar machine.

One thing to check, which I remember going back and forth
with back then, is that you're running your aim.cmd file
from the subdirectory \AIM -- that is, from the same
directory which contains AIM.jar.

>-- 
>John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
>Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
>  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
>Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
>                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1
>
>The essence of wisdom... lies not in what is known but rather in the
>manner in which that knowledge is held and in how that knowledge is put to
>use. To be wise is not to know particular facts but to know without
>excessive confidence or excessive cautiousness. Wisdom is thus not a
>belief, a value, a set of facts, a corpus of knowledge or information in
>some specialized area, or a set of special abilities or skills. Wisdom is
>an attitude taken by persons toward the beliefs, values, knowledge,
>information, abilities, and skills that are held, a tendency to doubt that
>these are necessarily true or valid and to doubt that they are an
>exhaustive set of those things that could be known.
>        - Robert J. Sternberg in "Wisdom" (Cambridge, 1990)

Sorry but such a long sig cries out for a response :)
-- this is a kind of vapid definition of wisdom.  Imho.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: mtillema@nospam.hobby.nl                          07-Nov-99 19:29:00
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: "Menno Tillema" <mtillema@nospam.hobby.nl>

On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 16:16:06 GMT, jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net wrote:

>mode.  After that, I make sure they have 
> enough memory to run.  If they
>have trouble installing, try to tweak the 
> Program Manager settings for the
>WINOS2 session before the install. 

You could help Satnam Singh by sending him your settings of Quicken98. To do
that RMB on the program object, choos
Properties->Session->WIN-OS/2-properties->All settings->Print

Then choose a apropriete file and send it to him. Satnam can use the Load
option of the same dialog to import the settings.

I hope this helps.

Anyone for a settings database?



Tot mails, <Menno>

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kijk ook eens op http://www.heemschut.nl
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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               07-Nov-99 15:22:11
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:35:47 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:

>First, what exactly does that have to do with the G400 or TnT2?

Nothing, I did not choose those cards.

 Second, I'm not 
>suprised that you have problems with Windows. Most OS/2 users in this group 
>seem to have an almost mystical ability to hose Windows in ways that defy
other 
>Windows users.

Huh, the damn crappy OS caused constant lockups, but because I choose not to
pay any money for M$ products, it more than balances the $39 dollars spent on
Scitech, you probably have spent more on NT utilities just to keep the damn
drive defragged;-) Plus be sure to dig in even deeper for the next mandatory
upgrade, that Bill is going to force on you.

Go to http://www.epox.com/Default.asp and look up EP-MVP3G with the G200 if
you don't believe me. I have tried both versions of 95 and 98 and it has
never been a good combo. Yet in OS/2 I never had a problem. That concludes it
to be a win direct-x problem.

 Finally, your main point doesn't seem to address the fact you 
>will have to pay for those drivers when they are released on top of paying
for 
>the card.
>

Like I said above, they are much less than all the money you spend on
mandatory utilities like, Anti Virus, Defraggers, etc.

>>One thing I know it will never have, that wretched Internet Exploder.
>
>IE, IMO, is currently better than Netscape.

I am not surprized, ever since Bill Gates captured Ominar and brain washed
him;-)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               07-Nov-99 15:31:17
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:44:28 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:

>So, in the best case, you will have more cards if Scitech continues to
support 
>newer cards which is of course a positive. However, that support will most 
>likely continue to be offered with some lag time after Windows. Furthermore,
it 
>is obvious that this support is desperately needed considering that
difficulty 
>in finding those older cards that OS/2 still supports. 

That is fine, let Scietch experiment with the windoze users first. They are
used to buying products that are not ready for release any ways.

>
>The IBM/Scitech agreement sends a clear message that neither IBM nor hardware 

>vendors are interested in making OS/2 drivers, but this does present a great 
>'window' of opportunity for Scitech.

The same goes for Be, Linux, AS400, etc. so what is you point. Every hardware
manufacturer cozies up to the consumer grade OS. "Windows, the Kenmore of
PC's."

>
>Finally, again, you will have drivers that are inferior to those that ship
with 
>the card and must PAY for a version of Scitech to get those advanced
features.
>

So why is Scitech making a windoze version, because they know windoze users
are dumb enough to spend money on the inferior alternative, when they already
have a free superior driver? Scitech is an improvement over OEM drivers on
any platform, that is why it is being made for windoze as well.


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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               07-Nov-99 15:33:08
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 15:24:32 GMT, James Himmelman wrote:

>Still delusional I see. Coming from the guy who thought OS/2 would 
>take over the desktop. Coming from the guy who thought Communicator/2 
>4.6 would never be released. Your track record shows that you have 
>ZERO insight to this industry, and your delusions show that you are a 
>sad character. Fun to read though. 

Did you have to go and tell him that we were having fun?
Damn the secret is out;-)

I hope Ominar is not going to go away now.


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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    07-Nov-99 20:40:19
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop 1.0

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:29:09, Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net> 
wrote:

> Is there anybody that could run  PILOT DESKTOP 1.0 at WINOS2 ??

I have been running it for about 2 years...on WIN32S 1.25....on 
WINOS2.

Ask me if you'd like more details.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      08-Nov-99 07:39:28
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: OS/2 Application Gripes

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 03:14:50, nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman)
wrote:

> I have not attempted anything terribly complex with Approach, nor have I
> created any "huge" databases.  I have been using it to fill some gaps in
> software for my business.  Version 1.1.1, though still not perfect, has
> been doing the job very well.

1.1.1 does not fix these bugs in Approach.. I'm not sure if it happens on all 
systems but any more then 100 records then listing/sorting/printing will cause 

Approach to lock up.

it has made me go out and learn mSQL though :)

 

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       07-Nov-99 21:50:01
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problem revisited (aka @!#$&%#)

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Edward,

I think most problems are related to the Feature Installers
initialisation file FI.INI.
This file is located in \OS2\INSTALL.

This file contains references to all installed features, but references
the location via the WPS internal object handle. On my own system I had
problems because some handles inside FI.INI were invalid.

I have written two programs:
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/readfi.exe
will more or less check the handles inside FI.INI.

and:
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/makefi.exe
that will make a file called FI.NEW based on the subdirectories in
\OS2\INSTALL\Installed Features. 

For both to work you need WPTOOLS.DLL from the WPTOOL31.ZIP:
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/wptool31.zip

Both programs need to be placed in the \OS2\INSTALL directory.

Once FI.NEW is created, you can remove the attrib from FI.INI, rename it
and rename FI.NEW to FI.INI. And then try to install Jave 1.1.8 again.

Henk





Edward Germain wrote:
> 
> <frustrated blush>
> 
> About a month ago a number of us had trouble installing Java 1.1.8.
> Many people in this newsgroup made suggestions; we put our heads
> together emailly, and we figured out our problems.  I posted a
> summary, I think, to this group, and also sent it to a half-dozen of
> the people who were still having problems.
> 
> Almost immediately after that, and before I made a backup, my computer
> crashed.  The restore I did didn't include any of that correspondence
> or my summary of the solution.
> 
> So I'm here, hat in hand, hoping someone can help.
> 
> The problem we all faced was this: the computer hung on the steaming
> cup of coffee.  That's what mine is doing again.
> 
> I have Fixpack 11 installed, and Netscape 4.61.  I have deleted all
> references to Java in my Config.Sys.  I have erased all copies of
> FI.Ini and FISetup.Log.  I have reinstalled Feature Install, 1.39.
> According to the log, it looks as though it installed OK.
> 
> I have downloaded JDK 1.1.8 and have unpacked it in the
> \Features\Feature1 subdirectory.
> 
> I reboot, go to that directory and type "Install."  I get 3 results:
> 
> 1.  I get the JDK's spinning globe.  I pick "English" as my language.
> 
> 2  New screen with the steaming cup of coffee.  At the bottom of the
> screen it says "Reading Feature Install Response file".
> 
> 3.  Now the bottom of the screen reads "Resolving the Feature Install
> variable" .
> 
> At this point everything hangs.  If I wait, I see that OS/2 has
> reported an Access violation in Install.Dll.  If I look at the windows
> I have open, there is one named "Feature Install User Exit."  If I get
> to that window, it says 'SYS 1041.  The name 1 is not recognized..."
> as a program.
> 
> Beyond that I can't go.  The computer is frozen.
> 
> What have I forgotten to do?
> 
> --Ed Germain
> egermain@mediaone.net

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From: Spammers@Bite.Me                                  07-Nov-99 20:52:24
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:01
Subj: Re: &emdash; vs. NS4.61

From: "Jaime A. Cruz, Jr." <Spammers@Bite.Me>

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On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 18:13:51 GMT, James Jones wrote:

>Supposedly &emdash; gives one an em dash in HTML documents, but
>experimentation shows that NS 4.61 doesn't appear to understand it.
>Am I misspelling something (doubtful; I double checked)?  If there
>really is a problem, is there a workaround?  Thanks.
>
>    James Jones
>
>Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of
>any organization.
>

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From: kenkahn@aol.com                                   07-Nov-99 21:14:03
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: HTML stripper?

From: kenkahn@aol.com (Kenkahn)

>I once has a program that removed the HTML codes from a text document.  

If you're using NetScape, click on File
then SaveAs.  Specify a file with an
extenstion of .TXT; The resulting TXT file
will contain only the actual text from the
original HTML script.

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                07-Nov-99 13:49:03
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

In comp.os.os2.apps article <nKdJ4oXf0PoJ092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>
Raphael Tennenbaum <raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net> wrote:

: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

:>In comp.os.os2.apps article <bMKJ4oXf0bvJ092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>
Raphael Tennenbaum <raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
:>
:>Yes, as I noted, I think there really was a network error, or congestion,
:>going on.  I do have 1.0.13, and it works, however it seems that it always
:>needs to have me login twice - the first time shutting down almost
:>immediately - and it fails to resend the registration email.  It should
:>not even need to worry about that one, as I am registered for a while now,
:>and had returned the original email.  It did have the correct email
:>address as well, so I know it got tat from the oscar machine.

: One thing to check, which I remember going back and forth
: with back then, is that you're running your aim.cmd file
: from the subdirectory \AIM -- that is, from the same
: directory which contains AIM.jar.

Yes, all those ducks are in a nice row.

:>The essence of wisdom... lies not in what is known but rather in the
:>manner in which that knowledge is held and in how that knowledge is put to
:>use. To be wise is not to know particular facts but to know without
:>excessive confidence or excessive cautiousness. Wisdom is thus not a
:>belief, a value, a set of facts, a corpus of knowledge or information in
:>some specialized area, or a set of special abilities or skills. Wisdom is
:>an attitude taken by persons toward the beliefs, values, knowledge,
:>information, abilities, and skills that are held, a tendency to doubt that
:>these are necessarily true or valid and to doubt that they are an
:>exhaustive set of those things that could be known.
:>        - Robert J. Sternberg in "Wisdom" (Cambridge, 1990)

: Sorry but such a long sig cries out for a response :)

Ok, but I am not Sternberg!

: -- this is a kind of vapid definition of wisdom.  Imho.

It does separate wisdom from knowledge, and adds a touch of humility
before facts, both known and unknown. 

BTW all my quotes, randomly selected by tin, with occasionally amazing
insight for some reason, are available at:

ftp://ftp.calweb.com/users/j/jmprice/quotes/

-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

Once the realization is accepted that even between the closest human
beings infinite distances continue to exist, a wonderful living side by
side can grow up, if they succeed in loving the distance between them
which makes it possible for each to see each other whole against the
sky.
                  - Rainer Rilke

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From: egermain@mediaone.net                             07-Nov-99 21:51:09
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problem revisited (aka @!#$&%#)

From: egermain@mediaone.net (Edward Germain)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:50:03, Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>
wrote:

> Edward,
> 
> I think most problems are related to the Feature Installers
> initialisation file FI.INI.
> This file is located in \OS2\INSTALL.
> 
> This file contains references to all installed features, but references
> the location via the WPS internal object handle. On my own system I had
> problems because some handles inside FI.INI were invalid.
> 
> I have written two programs:
> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/readfi.exe
> will more or less check the handles inside FI.INI.
> 
> and:
> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/makefi.exe
> that will make a file called FI.NEW based on the subdirectories in
> \OS2\INSTALL\Installed Features. 
> 
> For both to work you need WPTOOLS.DLL from the WPTOOL31.ZIP:
> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/wptool31.zip
> 
> Both programs need to be placed in the \OS2\INSTALL directory.
> 
> Once FI.NEW is created, you can remove the attrib from FI.INI, rename it
> and rename FI.NEW to FI.INI. And then try to install Jave 1.1.8 again.
> 
Henk, you're terriffic!  I had already tried fiwrite, but didn't know 
I had to have wptools.dll.  

I followed your instructions, and ran Readfi.  It suggested that 
Feature Install wasn't installed.  I then ran FixIni from Unimaint to 
make sure all handles were OK.  Then ran Fiwrite.  It created a zero 
byte Fi.New file which I renamed, etc.

Voila!  Java 1.1.8 installed without a hitch.

Thank you, thank you!  I am often astonished and grateful for the 
informed and helpful aid given here.  I imagine that some day I will 
switch to Linux, and will take this high comraderie as a standard with
me.  But not yet..  

Best regards,

--Ed Germain
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Germain wrote:
> > 
> > <frustrated blush>
> > 
> > About a month ago a number of us had trouble installing Java 1.1.8.
> > Many people in this newsgroup made suggestions; we put our heads
> > together emailly, and we figured out our problems.  I posted a
> > summary, I think, to this group, and also sent it to a half-dozen of
> > the people who were still having problems.
> > 
> > Almost immediately after that, and before I made a backup, my computer
> > crashed.  The restore I did didn't include any of that correspondence
> > or my summary of the solution.
> > 
> > So I'm here, hat in hand, hoping someone can help.
> > 
> > The problem we all faced was this: the computer hung on the steaming
> > cup of coffee.  That's what mine is doing again.
> > 
> > I have Fixpack 11 installed, and Netscape 4.61.  I have deleted all
> > references to Java in my Config.Sys.  I have erased all copies of
> > FI.Ini and FISetup.Log.  I have reinstalled Feature Install, 1.39.
> > According to the log, it looks as though it installed OK.
> > 
> > I have downloaded JDK 1.1.8 and have unpacked it in the
> > \Features\Feature1 subdirectory.
> > 
> > I reboot, go to that directory and type "Install."  I get 3 results:
> > 
> > 1.  I get the JDK's spinning globe.  I pick "English" as my language.
> > 
> > 2  New screen with the steaming cup of coffee.  At the bottom of the
> > screen it says "Reading Feature Install Response file".
> > 
> > 3.  Now the bottom of the screen reads "Resolving the Feature Install
> > variable" .
> > 
> > At this point everything hangs.  If I wait, I see that OS/2 has
> > reported an Access violation in Install.Dll.  If I look at the windows
> > I have open, there is one named "Feature Install User Exit."  If I get
> > to that window, it says 'SYS 1041.  The name 1 is not recognized..."
> > as a program.
> > 
> > Beyond that I can't go.  The computer is frozen.
> > 
> > What have I forgotten to do?
> > 
> > --Ed Germain
> > egermain@mediaone.net
> 
> -- 
> Remove nospam when replying..


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From: merlin@blackpalace.com                            07-Nov-99 22:00:16
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: merlin@blackpalace.com (Merlin)

In message <3823ad7d_1@news.calweb.com> - John M Price PhD
<jmprice@calweb.com>5 Nov 1999 20:24:29 -0800 writes:
:>
:>Well, I installed it.  It continually 'times out'.  Thinking it is teh
:>connection, I tried the version with Netscape for Win98 - no problem.
:>
:>Any hints?
:>


ummmmm, just a little more information would assist here.  AIM for Java works
here fine.  Warp4, fp12, Java 1.1.8 with Nov5 fix pack.  I just don't like the
AIM concept vs ICQ.




__________________________________
merlin of OS/2 on Merlin, fp12,
  TCP/IP 4.1, Java 1.1.8
       Emtec News
   www.blackpalace.com
merlin@blackpalace.com ICQ 245937
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From: egermain@mediaone.net                             07-Nov-99 22:06:15
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: egermain@mediaone.net (Edward Germain)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:30:11, mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride) wrote:

> >I'm considering buying a Yamaha  6x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW kit with
> >an Adaptec PCI SCSI interface card to run on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11,
> >system. Can anyone tell me their experience with such a setup?  How
> >about drivers for OS2?  What problems have been encountered, etc?  The
> >price is right on this combination but it's no good to me if it won't
> >run in OS2.
> >
>  
> Right off the bat... the 6416 runs just fine under all versions of OS/2 with
> the exception of...

Hmm, I'm in an almost similar situation.  Only I have an Adaptec 2940 
on the motherboard.  I imagine it would work OK in this setup, too.  
Any comments?

--Ed Germain


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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            07-Nov-99 17:50:01
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkugla5.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:35:47 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>
>>First, what exactly does that have to do with the G400 or TnT2?
>
>Nothing, I did not choose those cards.

Nothing. Exactly. You answer had the same relevence as a statement about 
coffee. 

> Second, I'm not 
>>suprised that you have problems with Windows. Most OS/2 users in this group 
>>seem to have an almost mystical ability to hose Windows in ways that defy
other 
>>Windows users.
>
>Huh, the damn crappy OS caused constant lockups, but because I choose not to
>pay any money for M$ products, it more than balances the $39 dollars spent on
>Scitech, you probably have spent more on NT utilities just to keep the damn
>drive defragged;-) 

Like the Graham Utilities or GammaTech? Both are HPFS-defraggers, you know. I 
know plenty of people using Windows and most don't have constant lock-ups.
That 
is an ability mastered by OS/2 users like you who don't have 's' keys.

Diskeeper for NT is free. You did know this, right?


>Plus be sure to dig in even deeper for the next mandatory
>upgrade, that Bill is going to force on you.

What mandatory upgrade? You mean like the $200 bucks IBM is charging you just 
to allow you to get Netscape and Java(at some point not yet determined), the 
very software that others get for free?

Do you enjoy paying for things that others get for free? Seems that nothing is 

more mandatory than the Software Subscription Choice Program.

>Go to http://www.epox.com/Default.asp and look up EP-MVP3G with the G200 if
>you don't believe me. I have tried both versions of 95 and 98 and it has
>never been a good combo. Yet in OS/2 I never had a problem. That concludes it
>to be a win direct-x problem.

Strange, I would say that the motherboard is certainly suspect. Only someone 
who WANTS to blame Windows would make that assumption. That's why I use good 
boards like Abit.

> Finally, your main point doesn't seem to address the fact you 
>>will have to pay for those drivers when they are released on top of paying
for 
>>the card.
>>
>
>Like I said above, they are much less than all the money you spend on
>mandatory utilities like, Anti Virus, Defraggers, etc.

Hello, there are anti-virus programs and defraggers for OS/2. And process 
killers. You don't find any process killers for Windows, you now.  As opposed 
to shelling out cash twice for video cards, for example. Once for the card
that 
you can't fully use, then for drivers that STILL can't fully exploit the card. 

Or all that money for RSJ, the only commercial OS/2 CD-R program and it
doesn't 
support IDE drives. But hey, you get to spend over $200 for that single
choice.

The price difference between RSJ and any ONE Windows CD-R program will cover 
your defragger and anti-virus programs, if you so need them. Of course, 
defraggers comes with Windows 98, Diskeeper for NT is free.

>>>One thing I know it will never have, that wretched Internet Exploder.
>>
>>IE, IMO, is currently better than Netscape.
>
>I am not surprized, ever since Bill Gates captured Ominar and brain washed
>him;-)
>

Nope. Windows NT won Ominor over by being a superior product. Ominor doesn't 
support losers.



-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            07-Nov-99 17:58:12
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkuh0n6.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:44:28 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>
>>So, in the best case, you will have more cards if Scitech continues to
support 
>>newer cards which is of course a positive. However, that support will most 
>>likely continue to be offered with some lag time after Windows. Furthermore, 
it 
>>is obvious that this support is desperately needed considering that
difficulty 
>>in finding those older cards that OS/2 still supports. 
>
>That is fine, let Scietch experiment with the windoze users first. They are
>used to buying products that are not ready for release any ways.

Like Stellar Frontiers, JStreet Mailer, or Avarice all betas programs that
OS/2 
users paid to participate in.

Besides, Windows users don't need Scitech because unlike OS/2, their drivers 
work fully and out of the box.

The lag time I spoke of is the time it will take Scitech to get OS/2 drivers 
out of the door. They've only just added Voodoo3 and TnT2 support and those
are 
in beta. GeForce is out. Drivers are available, yet Scitech is no where to be 
found.

OS/2 users are used to paying for stuff the same price for less features.

>>
>>The IBM/Scitech agreement sends a clear message that neither IBM nor
hardware 
>>vendors are interested in making OS/2 drivers, but this does present a great 

>>'window' of opportunity for Scitech.
>
>The same goes for Be, Linux, AS400, etc. so what is you point. Every hardware
>manufacturer cozies up to the consumer grade OS. "Windows, the Kenmore of
>PC's."

NT is consumer grade and has support that is better than all of the above.
Heck 
even Linux has G400 multimonitor support as does NT. Only OS/2, the bridesmaid 

of Operating systems is out in the cold.

>>
>>Finally, again, you will have drivers that are inferior to those that ship
with 
>>the card and must PAY for a version of Scitech to get those advanced
features.
>>
>
>So why is Scitech making a windoze version, because they know windoze users
>are dumb enough to spend money on the inferior alternative, when they already
>have a free superior driver? Scitech is an improvement over OEM drivers on
>any platform, that is why it is being made for windoze as well.
>
Silly boy. Scitech's main purpose is life is the squeeze out life from
obselete 
hardware. The must have fainted when they found OS/2. Why don't you try
reading 
what they do. For example, they've got a product, FOR WINDOWS ONLY, that gives 

OpenGL support to cards that don't have it natively. Find a new card that fits 

that description. Of course, they've decided that OS/2 isn't good enough to 
port this program to.


>
>

-- 
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David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            07-Nov-99 17:59:13
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkuh3h7.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 15:24:32 GMT, James Himmelman wrote:
>
>>Still delusional I see. Coming from the guy who thought OS/2 would 
>>take over the desktop. Coming from the guy who thought Communicator/2 
>>4.6 would never be released. Your track record shows that you have 
>>ZERO insight to this industry, and your delusions show that you are a 
>>sad character. Fun to read though. 
>
>Did you have to go and tell him that we were having fun?
>Damn the secret is out;-)
>
>I hope Ominar is not going to go away now.

"Ominar" is having plenty of fun. Reading your prose is better than any
sitcom.

>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            07-Nov-99 16:47:09
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

In <3824809F.38187E4E@hotmail.com>, on 11/06/99 
   at 01:25 PM, Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> said:

>> I think this is a bit of a reach and a bit inappropriate.
>> 


>I just posted the definition from the dictonary. I took care not to make
>any additional comments.

Hey, it's your conscience.

--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 28 Processes with 118 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 1d 1h 14m 54s 562ms.


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From: mikelrob@flash.net                                07-Nov-99 22:55:00
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Smack,  CM2 won't run

From: mikelrob@flash.net (Michael Robertson)

	I have two apps that won't run.  (I may have more but haven't seen 
them yet.)  These are Smack and CM2, the config editor.  I used them 
both two or three weeks ago and don't think I've done anything to the 
system in betweeen.

	When I try to start Smack I immediately get a message:

Unrecoverable error:
No label layout defined.  Check 
PROFILE.SMR to ensure that at least
one label layout is defiined.

	The file looks like this:

/*
 * Smack! profile macro
 */

/* Load label definitions */
CALL "AveryLsr.smr"
CALL "Envelope.smr"
CALL "CustomLb.smr"

/* Define colors */
CALL "ColorDef.smr"

RETURN

	I thought perhaps I had lost REXX somehow so I reinstalled it but it 
makes no difference.  The program terminates immediately.  I can't 
recall how I registered Smack and I have no idea how to get any 
technical support.  Perfectniche.com just has sales stuff.

	When I clock on the icon for CM2, nothing happens.  When I run it 
from the command line I'm immediately returned to a prompt.

	Can anyone make sense out of one or both of these mysteries?

	Michael Robertson 



***Live simply, that others may simply live.***

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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                07-Nov-99 23:17:17
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:07
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:46:59, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
wrote:

> In article <uprsNDlpp0Dh-pn2-TMeJdMXdXxJt@f03-207-41-174-103.i-2000.net>, 
> jhimmel@i-2000.com says...
> >On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:07:29, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
> >wrote:

> >> In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fksayb3.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
> >> nospam_evr@spam.net says...
> >> >On 6 Nov 1999 09:53:41 -0500, John Brock wrote:

> >> >>>It is very strange that he was one of the biggest advocates of OS/2
and the
> >> >>>biggest basher of microcrap, now he turned 180 degrees. I wonder if he 
used
> >> >>>to do the same in MS NGs back in his OS/2 utopia days?

> >> >>I found McCoy's "Ominor" shtick singularly unimpressive, and I said so
> >> >>at the time.  Given that he has spent *far* more time bashing OS/2 than
> >> >>he ever spent advocating it, maybe that was his plan from the start!
> >
> >> >Maybe he has always secretly admired Bill Gates;-)

> >> He's having dinner with me right now.

> >Still delusional I see. Coming from the guy who thought OS/2 would 
> >take over the desktop. Coming from the guy who thought Communicator/2 
> >4.6 would never be released. Your track record shows that you have 
> >ZERO insight to this industry, and your delusions show that you are a 
> >sad character. Fun to read though. 
> >
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> David H. McCoy
> >> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
> >> --------------------------------------

> >[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]
 
> I never thought it would take over the desktop, just be competitive with 
> Windows.

Yeah, right.

> Also, while I admit that I thought 4.6 would never see the light of 
> day, I think such precedents such as OpenDoc, Open32, OS/2's Java comeback, 
> Innoval, SPG, the death of all OS/2 print mags, etc support such opinions.
> You are still an asshole, I see, but a bore to read.

And yet you do it anyway. Funny guy.

> ---------------------------------------
> David H. McCoy
> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
> ---------------------------------------

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    07-Nov-99 23:25:06
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:08
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:06:31, egermain@mediaone.net (Edward Germain) 
wrote:

> > Right off the bat... the 6416 runs just fine under all versions of OS/2
with
> > the exception of...
> 
> Hmm, I'm in an almost similar situation.  Only I have an Adaptec 2940 
> on the motherboard.  I imagine it would work OK in this setup, too.  
> Any comments?

I've been running the 4416S for several months now. I have an IBM 
Server 325 which has the Adaptec 7880 on the main board (2940 
chipset). Runs fine.

I use the RSJ software, which I found was cheaper from BMT Micro!

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: dwhawk@southwind.net                              07-Nov-99 23:27:26
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:08
Subj: HTML stripper?           

From: dwhawk@southwind.net (Don Hawkinson)

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote

l> I once has a program that removed the HTML codes from a text
l> document.  I could drag HTMLs onto its icon on my desktop and it
l> would place the text file in a directory.
l> 
l> The name of the EXE was UNHTML.  But I have an HTML.EXE that seems
l> to be purely command line driven.  Does anybody know if there are
l> actually two different programs of this general nature? 

I am the author of UNH and PMStripper.  UNH is a command line utility
but it is not the same as the utility called UNHTML 

PMStripper is an PM utility that has more options and funtionality
than UNH.  

You can find download links to PMStripper and UNH on my web page  at
http://www2.southwind.net/~dwhawk

Don Hawkinson , author of CCA, DH-Grep-PM,
PMStripper, Pastry Box, and DH_ClipSave/2
http://www2.southwind.net/~dwhawk
dwhawk@southwind.net

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From: dwhawk@southwind.net                              07-Nov-99 23:27:29
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:08
Subj: Re: &emdash; vs. NS4.61  

From: dwhawk@southwind.net (Don Hawkinson)

Spammers@Bite.Me wrote


S> I can't say I've ever used that, but I KNOW that &#151; does work
S> in this regard.  I use it all of the time on my web page.  

From the web page at: http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/charset/

 ISO-8859-1 explicitly does not define displayable characters for
 positions 0-31 and 127-159, and the HTML standard does not allow
 those to be used for displayable characters. The only characters in this
 range that are used are 9, 10 and 13, which are tab, newline and carriage
 return respectively. If you attempt to display these invalid characters on
 your own system, you may find some characters displayed there, but please
 do not assume that other users will see the same thing (or even anything at
all)
 on their systems.

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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                07-Nov-99 23:32:22
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:08
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:44:28, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
wrote:
> SciTech Display Doctor/se for OS/2 Warp distributed by IBM will include the 
> following features:
> 
> "GRADD" driver with GUI hardware acceleration 
> Resolutions: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1600x1200 
> Color Depths: 8, 15,16,24 and 32 Bits Per Pixel 
> Refresh rates: 60 - 85Hz refresh 
> Support for many graphics chips. 
> 
> In addition to the features listed above, SciTech Display Doctor
Professional 
> for OS/2 Warp sold by SciTech will include:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Support for ultra high resolutions up to 2048x1536 
> Support for creating new display modes and refresh rates 
> Support for 16:9 display modes 
> Refresh rates of 120Hz+ 
> Future features will include video and 3D acceleration 
> 
> 
> So, in the best case, you will have more cards if Scitech continues to
support 
> newer cards which is of course a positive. However, that support will most 
> likely continue to be offered with some lag time after Windows. Furthermore, 
it 
> is obvious that this support is desperately needed considering that
difficulty 
> in finding those older cards that OS/2 still supports. 
> 
> The IBM/Scitech agreement sends a clear message that neither IBM nor
hardware 
> vendors are interested in making OS/2 drivers, but this does present a great 

> 'window' of opportunity for Scitech.
> 
> Finally, again, you will have drivers that are inferior to those that ship
with 
> the card and must PAY for a version of Scitech to get those advanced
features.

> ---------------------------------------
> David H. McCoy
> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
> ---------------------------------------

"Advanced features" that probably more than 95% of users won't need. 
1600X1200 is good up to a 19" monitor. I don't know anyone using 16:9,
and 85Hz is enough to eliminate flicker on my screen (it's the refresh
rate that I am running now and looks great). Of course you will be 
able to brag about having those advanced features for free. I guess 
OS/2 users should go hang themselves over that one. For what it's 
worth, I would have no trouble paying SciTech for those advanced 
features if I needed them. I am willing to pay more to run my OS of 
choice, and SciTech deserves compensation for their hard work. I 
believe their is a Windows version of SciTech's product for purchase 
as well. It's a big deal only to you - one who doesn't even use OS/2. 
It gives you bragging rights, and that's about ALL it does. What a sad
fellow. 

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: madbrain%nospam@nospam.thetaband...               07-Nov-99 15:38:08
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:08
Subj: Theta Band Software announces the distribution of MMPack through Mensys

Message sender: madbrain%nospam@nospam.thetaband.com

From: Julien Pierre <madbrain%nospam@nospam.thetaband.com>

 
Theta Band Software's Multimedia Pack for OS/2 is now available for
ordering
through Mensys at http://www.mensys.nl . 

MMPack is a collection of utilities to enhance OS/2 multimedia, and
contains
the following programs :

MMCheck
This is a utility that checks your MMPM/2 installation (i.e. 
MMPM2.INI) for errors or suspicious settings. If it finds any, it  will
tell
you what they are, so that you can fix them. 

MPU-401 Driver
This is a replacement for IBM's MPU-401 driver, which is used to  MIDI
support
for a number of sound cards, including sound cards that  use the Crystal
Semiconductor drivers. Enhancements over 
IBM's driver 
include :

                fixes for Warp 3 
                SMP compatibility 
                better hardware compatibility 
                DOS sharing 
                RTMIDI recording without an IRQ
                and more! 

NPDSMI 2.0

This is a plug-in for Netscape Navigator and Communicator for OS/2.  The
function of the DSMI plug-in is to play music module files  embedded on
web
pages. Module files are 32 channel digital music and  are of
tremendously high
quality. This new version 2.0 of the DSMI  Netscape plug-in supports
compressed zip module files.

More information about MMPack is available on our web site at

http://www.thetaband.com  

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Julien Pierre               http://www.madbrain.com
Theta Band Software LLC     http://www.thetaband.com
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From: enaud@bellsouth.net                               07-Nov-99 18:53:02
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:08
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: Duane Chamblee <enaud@bellsouth.net>

Bob Eager wrote:
> I've been running the 4416S for several months now. I have an IBM
> Server 325 which has the Adaptec 7880 on the main board (2940
> chipset). Runs fine.

Ditto, I make the some WarpUP! cds with this.
 
> I use the RSJ software, which I found was cheaper from BMT Micro!

Actually, have you looked at Indelible Blue's price recently? ;-)

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From: acogbill@geopotential.com                         07-Nov-99 16:53:28
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:08
Subj: NS 4.61 Install Program fails

From: "Allen Cogbill" <acogbill@geopotential.com>

I'm trying to install NS 4.61 on a Warp 4 FP8 system. I already installed it
once on a Warp 4 FP 5 system that is very similar. I have Java 1.1.8
installed.
When I attempt to execute the install program, I get the message:

          EPFIE610: An error occurred while attempting to start
          the installation utility. Close any unneeded programs
          and try the operation again.


I've closed everything except the Desktop, but the message still appears.
Nothing in the README file mentions any such problem. Does anyone has any
suggestions for a workaround??

Thanks,
Allen Cogbill


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From: rdegenna@utk.edu                                  08-Nov-99 01:16:23
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:16
Subj: WordPro prints envelopes wrong.  Can you help?

From: rdegenna@utk.edu

How can I get WordPro to print an envelope correctly?  I click "create
envelope" 
and everything appears perfectly on the screen.  The envelope is the right
size
and the software knows it.  The address is in the right spot.  The letter
itself 
prints fine.  But the address on the envelope prints much too high and to the 
left -- almost where the return address should be.  I have an HP Laserjet 2100
and the correct drivers.  

The only thing that seems unusual is that I must physically insert the
envelope
almost 2 inches into the printer's envelope feed.  Otherwise, it pulls a sheet 
of
paper and prints the address on that.  It seems to me that the printer should 
have the capability to pull an envelope without manually stuffing one down 
its throat.  But that's the only thing that's unusual.

What am I doing wrong?  Or do I have a defective printer?

Thanks for any help.

Ray DeGennaro

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From: aaronl@pec.co.nz                                  08-Nov-99 14:32:22
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:16
Subj: Re: Theta Band Software announces the distribution of MMPack through 

From: Aaron Lawrence <aaronl@pec.co.nz>

Julien Pierre wrote:

> Theta Band Software's Multimedia Pack for OS/2 is now available for
> ordering
> through Mensys at http://www.mensys.nl .

I had a look at this, and it's cool, but the things in it aren't really
compelling to me. There are more pressing problems with MMOS/2 such as the
lack of much PCI soundcard support. IMHO.



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From: 877ur6NOSPAM@yahoo.com                            07-Nov-99 17:59:00
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:16
Subj: Re: Smack,  CM2 won't run

From: Lee Reilly <877ur6NOSPAM@yahoo.com>

Michael Robertson wrote:

>         I have two apps that won't run.  (I may have more but haven't seen
> them yet.)  These are Smack and CM2, the config editor.  I used them
> both two or three weeks ago and don't think I've done anything to the
> system in betweeen.
>
>         When I try to start Smack I immediately get a message:
>
> Unrecoverable error:
> No label layout defined.  Check
> PROFILE.SMR to ensure that at least
> one label layout is defiined.
>
>         The file looks like this:
>
> /*
>  * Smack! profile macro
>  */
>
> /* Load label definitions */
> CALL "AveryLsr.smr"
> CALL "Envelope.smr"
> CALL "CustomLb.smr"
>
> /* Define colors */
> CALL "ColorDef.smr"
>
> RETURN
>
>         I thought perhaps I had lost REXX somehow so I reinstalled it but it
> makes no difference.  The program terminates immediately.  I can't
> recall how I registered Smack and I have no idea how to get any
> technical support.  Perfectniche.com just has sales stuff.
>
>         When I clock on the icon for CM2, nothing happens.  When I run it
> from the command line I'm immediately returned to a prompt.
>
>         Can anyone make sense out of one or both of these mysteries?
>
>         Michael Robertson
>
> ***Live simply, that others may simply live.***

I read an item at a private OS2/ web site that SMACK!
developers have stopped develpment on the next
upgrade of SMACK! pointing the blame at IBM's
'development environment'.

LEE


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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               07-Nov-99 21:25:08
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:17
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:50:03 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:

>
>Like the Graham Utilities or GammaTech? Both are HPFS-defraggers, you know. I 

>know plenty of people using Windows and most don't have constant lock-ups.
That 
>is an ability mastered by OS/2 users like you who don't have 's' keys.

I know HPFS defraggers are available but I have never needed them. Most
people just assume the are needed from force of habit using Bills wretched
file systems.

>
>Diskeeper for NT is free. You did know this, right?

Nothing is free, you pay through the nose just to buy NT.

>
>
>>Plus be sure to dig in even deeper for the next mandatory
>>upgrade, that Bill is going to force on you.
>
>What mandatory upgrade? You mean like the $200 bucks IBM is charging you just 

>to allow you to get Netscape and Java(at some point not yet determined), the 
>very software that others get for free?

Gee, I am up the Comm4.61 and Java 1.18 and it was free. I hear some FUD;-)

>
>Do you enjoy paying for things that others get for free? Seems that nothing
is 
>more mandatory than the Software Subscription Choice Program.
>
>>Go to http://www.epox.com/Default.asp and look up EP-MVP3G with the G200 if
>>you don't believe me. I have tried both versions of 95 and 98 and it has
>>never been a good combo. Yet in OS/2 I never had a problem. That concludes
it
>>to be a win direct-x problem.
>
>Strange, I would say that the motherboard is certainly suspect. Only someone 
>who WANTS to blame Windows would make that assumption. That's why I use good 
>boards like Abit.

Well here is the link: http://www.epox.com/support/bulletins/t-23.html

Now, if I am having a problem in OS/2 I can boot another OS to see if it
continues, if it does, it is a hardware problem. If the problem goes away, it
is a software problem. The problem with the G200 and the Via chipset is a
windoze 9x problem. Their is no problem with Dos, win3.1, OS/2 ver 3 or 4 in
my box. So keep on blaming the hardware, it will never change the fact that
windoze is not as compatible as you think.

>
>> Finally, your main point doesn't seem to address the fact you 
>>>will have to pay for those drivers when they are released on top of paying
for 
>>>the card.
>>>
>>
>>Like I said above, they are much less than all the money you spend on
>>mandatory utilities like, Anti Virus, Defraggers, etc.
>
>Hello, there are anti-virus programs and defraggers for OS/2. And process 
>killers.

I have never needed any of those utilities, so it does not apply to me, it is
just a bad old habit the people have picked up from using MS Dos. Most OS/2
users really do not need these utilities that are more important to virus
prone Dos, and bad fragmenting, cross linking, allocation error prone MS file
systems.

> You don't find any process killers for Windows, you now.

Not you don't. That is why reset buttons were put on the front of PCs with
the introduction of windoze95.

  As opposed 
>to shelling out cash twice for video cards, for example. Once for the card
that 
>you can't fully use, then for drivers that STILL can't fully exploit the
card. 
>Or all that money for RSJ, the only commercial OS/2 CD-R program and it
doesn't 
>support IDE drives. But hey, you get to spend over $200 for that single
choice.

Scietech exploits the cards much better than OEM drivers, on any platform
that is not a Kenmore consumer quality designed for idiots OS. Only the real
Oses are lacking driver support. Wintendo has it all.

>
>The price difference between RSJ and any ONE Windows CD-R program will cover 
>your defragger and anti-virus programs, if you so need them. Of course, 
>defraggers comes with Windows 98, Diskeeper for NT is free.

Why should I waste an hour defragging my hard drive, plus all the time wasted
loading files before I get time to defrag it?

>
>>>>One thing I know it will never have, that wretched Internet Exploder.
>>>
>>>IE, IMO, is currently better than Netscape.
>>
>>I am not surprized, ever since Bill Gates captured Ominar and brain washed
>>him;-)
>>
>
>Nope. Windows NT won Ominor over by being a superior product. Ominor doesn't 
>support losers.
>

Well I don't support monopolies that try and force stuff up my ass either.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    08-Nov-99 04:15:18
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:17
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

A. Willard Reese (areese@bestnetpc.com) wrote:
: I'm considering buying a Yamaha  6x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW kit with
: an Adaptec PCI SCSI interface card to run on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11,
: system. Can anyone tell me their experience with such a setup?  How
: about drivers for OS2?  What problems have been encountered, etc?  The
: price is right on this combination but it's no good to me if it won't
: run in OS2.

	Is the Yamaha your only choice?  Seeing as how Plextor, Yamaha, 
and Ricoh all make the best CDR/CDRW drives, the Ricoh models I find (at 
least in Canada) seem to run a little cheaper.  In my case, only $40, but 
still...$40 more for buying CDR's for me. ;-)
	I have the 7040S (4x write, 4x re-write, 20x read).  They have a 
newer model that replaces it in the 7060S (a 6x write).  Plextor while 
being the best of the bunch are also the most expensive.

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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           08-Nov-99 03:25:26
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:17
Subj: Re: WordPro prints envelopes wrong.  Can you help?

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:16:47, rdegenna@utk.edu wrote:

> What am I doing wrong?  Or do I have a defective printer?

Please tell us what kind of printer and what driver you're using.

I find that tne Omni driver won't print envelopes properly on my ESC 
600 but the Epsom drivers will.

--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: Kanderson@kanderson.net                           07-Nov-99 21:04:04
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:17
Subj: Star Office

From: Ken anderson <Kanderson@kanderson.net>

Is anybody having any trouble with Star Office databases saving data?  I
try to edit data in the tables but once I hit enter the data returns to
what it was previously.  I am in edit mode when I make the changes.
Nothing seems to make this work.  Any ideas?

TIA

Ken

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          08-Nov-99 14:18:28
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:17
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Install Program fails

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I remember that the install program on't run if you are trying to 
install from a folder with a space in the name. I can't remember
if the message is the same though.

Cheers

Wayne


On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 16:53:56 -0700 (MST), Allen Cogbill wrote:

:>I'm trying to install NS 4.61 on a Warp 4 FP8 system. I already installed it
:>once on a Warp 4 FP 5 system that is very similar. I have Java 1.1.8
installed.
:>When I attempt to execute the install program, I get the message:
:>
:>          EPFIE610: An error occurred while attempting to start
:>          the installation utility. Close any unneeded programs
:>          and try the operation again.
:>
:>
:>I've closed everything except the Desktop, but the message still appears.
:>Nothing in the README file mentions any such problem. Does anyone has any
:>suggestions for a workaround??
:>
:>Thanks,
:>Allen Cogbill
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           08-Nov-99 01:03:24
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:17
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkuh0n6.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, on 11/07/99 at
03:31 PM,
   "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> said:

> The same goes for Be, Linux, AS400, etc. so what is you point. Every
> hardware manufacturer cozies up to the consumer grade OS. "Windows, the
> Kenmore of PC's."

Nah, Kenmore isn't that bad. Windows is more like the Edsel of PC's.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     08-Nov-99 06:25:13
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:17
Subj: Re: &emdash; vs. NS4.61

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

James Jones wrote:

> Supposedly &emdash; gives one an em dash in HTML documents, but
> experimentation shows that NS 4.61 doesn't appear to understand it.
> Am I misspelling something (doubtful; I double checked)?  If there
> really is a problem, is there a workaround?  Thanks.

I don't believe that is a correct symbol in HTML.  The following
is a chart I've used for reference to the supported characters
and HTML codes within the Latin-1 charset, in the HTML 3.2
standard (perhaps you'll find another character there that
would suffice for your needs):

http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/charset/latin1.gif

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: judithr@primenet.com                              07-Nov-99 22:11:05
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 03:40:17
Subj: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: judithr@primenet.com

Funny experience.  I was going to order the Partition Magic 5.0
upgrade, download. I filled in the form, requesting "email only for
products I owned" from their drop-down menu choices.  Submitted, got
back notice that there was an error, it wanted the two-letter state
code.  It had not said to use a two-letter state name, and the space
was large, so I had put in "California" rather than CA.  Sometimes
CA gets mixed up with GA. 

Almost hit the submit button, then noticed that one other thing had
been reset.  They changed the "receive email only for products I
own" to "receive any email for Powerquest."  That seemed strange,
but I thought it might be my error.  But, it had not yet said how
big the download was and it was late, so I emptied the shopping cart
and quit. 

Then went back, to check that changed email authorization.  Same
thing.  They changed only that one item on the form, to accept any
email rather than only on products I owned.  And it was not
highlighted, which would have been acceptable, indicating a reset.  

That seemed .....a little lowdown and dirty. Cheating.  So I
canceled again and will not buy.  Didn't look like it added anything
worth much anyway, except maybe for WinXX users. 

Is that sort of thing normal when buying software on-line? 


Judith Russell       
judithr@primenet.com                    




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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    08-Nov-99 07:53:04
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 05:18:18
Subj: Re: Star Office

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Ken anderson (Kanderson@kanderson.net) wrote:
: Is anybody having any trouble with Star Office databases saving data?  I
: try to edit data in the tables but once I hit enter the data returns to
: what it was previously.  I am in edit mode when I make the changes.
: Nothing seems to make this work.  Any ideas?

ftp.stardivision.com

They have some patches there, for all flavors of StarOffice.


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From: thorenz@hydromech.uni-hannover.de                 08-Nov-99 10:01:17
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 05:18:18
Subj: Re: Memory full??

From: Carsten Thorenz <thorenz@hydromech.uni-hannover.de>

Peter.Weilbacher@T-Online.de wrote:
> I have the problem that at some point OS/2 tells me that it cannot start
> any programs or modules, because the memory is full.  
[snip]
> I have 98 MB in total which are all recognized by OS/2 and this
> phenomenon seems to take place, when I have about 14 MB free (as MemSize
> tells me).

I had a similar problem some time ago. My system has 128MB + plenty
of swap and told me something about "memory full" (though it wasn't). 

After some trying I've come to the impression that some kind of
other resources was used up. It came up shortly after using a 
fixpack and after upgrading to FP12 the problem seems to have 
vanished again.

Bye, Carsten

--
Carsten Thorenz           Institut fuer Stroemungsmechanik und
                          elektronisches Rechnen im Bauwesen
thorenz@hydromech.uni-hannover.de
http://www.hydromech.uni-hannover.de/w3-pages-thorenz/thorenz.html

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From: cocke@catherders.com                              08-Nov-99 04:46:16
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 10:31:26
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>


I've been using Quicken 98 on Win-Os2 since it came out, and I just want
to bring up a couple of things...

On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 16:16:06 GMT, jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net wrote:

>In <38251A3B.4C1E1FF9@dpnet.net>, Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net> writes:
>>Satnam Singh wrote:
>>
>>> I get "Wrong Windows version" when I try to install Quicken 98 under
>>> Winos2.  I'm only interested in running a checkbook, and accounting for
>>> credit cards/assets;

Have you set the win_run mode to 'enhanced compatibility' in your 
session settings?  You need to.  You'll also want to set XMS memory 
limit to 16384.

>>I get the same error, but not when trying to install Quicken98. That
>>went fine for me. I get the error when trying to run WordPerfect 7 suite
>>for Windows 3.1, or when trying to run the version of MSIE that shipped
>>with Quicken98.

Wordperfect 7 also works here, or it did the 3 times I started it.

>>> don't care abount downloading transactions via internet access, etc.
>>
>>You should. The only way to get updates and bugfixes to Quicken98 is to
>>use MSIE.
>>

Incorrect.  Actually, Intuit will be quite happy to send you a CD with 
the latest fixes - they're quite used to it, since the download method 
usually fails.


>I have Warp 4 here, and I have several Win 3.1 programs on my
>system which are running fine, including MS Office 4.1, Word Perfect
>6.1, Timeline 6.1, and Quicken 98.
>
>I can remember getting those messages once in a while, but was able to
>eliminat them by tweaking the settings in the settings notebook.  Mine
>are run in a full screen WINOS2 session, and they are all set for enhanced
>mode.  After that, I make sure they have enough memory to run.  If they
>have trouble installing, try to tweak the Program Manager settings for the
>WINOS2 session before the install. 

Good point - you MUST run quicken in a full screen session.  YOu must 
also INSTALL it in a full screen session.

>After installing the programs, I have them all set up on individual 
>icons so that they cn be started directly from an OS/2 folder.
>
>If I remember corectly, the messages being observed above were MS's
>way of trying to defeat OS/2 installs in the early days.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
>Plymouth, MN
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
>

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Please note:  My Email and web page addresses are changing in January
2000.
                     The new email address is cocke@catherders.com   
                      The web page is at http://www.catherders.com

                    Because network administration is like herding cats.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    08-Nov-99 10:24:03
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 10:31:26
Subj: ICQ vs. AOL

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

	I recall reading on WarpCast a while ago about there being some 
security flaws in ICQ.  I was just wondering if AOL's Instant Messenger 
has the same flaws...


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From: msuch@free.fr                                     08-Nov-99 10:52:07
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 10:31:26
Subj: SMART SUITE 1.1 fixes

From: "Michel SUCH" <msuch@free.fr>

Hi all,

I have a problem loading some msword files into my wordpro with a 3175
abend.

Have there been some fixes to the 1.1 version and where can they be
downloaded from?
Michel SUCH - Team OS/2 FRANCE
ICQ # 51654489


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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            08-Nov-99 11:26:09
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 10:31:26
Subj: Re: SMART SUITE 1.1 fixes

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Michel SUCH wrote:

î I have a problem loading some msword files into my wordpro with a 3175
î abend.
î 
î Have there been some fixes to the 1.1 version and where can they be
î downloaded from?

There have been, but at the moment I cannot point you to the url but
hopefully someone else can. What I've noticed about the v1.1.1 updates is
that some of the files are identical to the original ones which makes me
wonder why they are included in the "update". Has anyone else noticed
that?

Cheers,
Steve

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  08-Nov-99 12:32:12
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 10:31:26
Subj: NS4.61 - JavaScript - Speed ??

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

When going to sites that seem to use a lot of JavaScript I get the
impression that my NS4.61 browser becomes a serious brake, while
otherwise being rather fast and reliable, at least compared to earlier
versions! I am waiting and waiting for pages to show up, while the
Network Traffic indicator if InJoy shows a throughput of 0... Do others
experience similar things ??

One site I have this problem is my bank account and I rather don't want
to publish the URL and login here for everyone to try :-) but another
one is more publicly available:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/mapmachine

From at home where I am using OS/2 alone I most of the time only get
timeout errors and the like; only once or twice among many more tries I
could really get a map. On the other hand, when trying it from here at
work on a NT with NS4.5 I could use the site mentioned just like other
sites, pages showing up in a "realistic" time frame!

Of course there is also the point that I can try here on Monday morning
(Central European Time) while it's deep Sunday night in the USA, and at
home I have to try in the evening or Saturday morning when its noon or
Friday night in the US...

Any other experiences??

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemühl

e-mail: cbockem@datacomm.ch


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: Roland.Pinches@pmail.net                          08-Nov-99 12:56:27
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 10:31:26
Subj: Problem with 123 from Smartsuite 1.1

From: "Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net>

Hi,

I've recently upgraded my system from Warp 4.0 FP11 to WSeB. The main reason
for this is because my motherboard is an SMP board with 2 x 400MHz PII
processors.

Since doing the upgrade, I have been unable to run Lotus 123. The program
starts load and brings up the dialog box to select a worksheet to open, but
as soon as I select a sheet, it produces the following error:

   Unexpected OLE error occured. OLE error: 8007000a

I get the same message each time.
None of the other apps seem to be affected, WordPro etc still work ok.

Is Smartsuite supported on SMP machines? Is there a workaround?

This isn't particularly urgent as I use Star Office most of the time.

Any suggestions gratefully received.

Roly.


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From: ccsten@usa.net                                    08-Nov-99 13:32:06
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: Accounting application

From: Terry Norton <ccsten@usa.net>

http://www.spitfiresoftware.com/



"Roberto F. Salomon" wrote:
> 
> I am looking for an accounting application for a small/medium sized
business.
>  Does anyone know of a true OS/2 app to do the job?

-- 

Terry Norton
Warped with OS/2

This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 12h 12m 36s 843ms (en).

Only in America... do people order double cheeseburgers, large
fries, and a Diet Coke.

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From: nospam@nospamnospam.com                           08-Nov-99 19:24:07
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: nospam@nospamnospam.com (Magnus Olsson)

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:25:19, Robert Dohrenburg 
<rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:

> postmaster@[127.0.0.1] wrote:
> > 
<snip> 
> > I think this is a bit of a reach and a bit inappropriate.
> > 
> 
> 
> I just posted the definition from the dictonary. I took care not to make
> any additional comments.
In this case additional comments replacing the definition might have 
been better:-)

-
all the best
	Magnus Olsson

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From: nospam@nospamnospam.com                           08-Nov-99 19:24:08
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: AIM for Java - OS/2

From: nospam@nospamnospam.com (Magnus Olsson)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:49:07, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> 
wrote:

>> : Sorry but such a long sig cries out for a response :)
> 
> Ok, but I am not Sternberg!
No, but it's your sig.:-)
 
> : -- this is a kind of vapid definition of wisdom.  Imho.
> 
> It does separate wisdom from knowledge, and adds a touch of humility
> before facts, both known and unknown. 
Your sentence here is a lot less vapid than your sig was:-) I 
encourage you to seek wisdom, and humour will come with it:-)

> BTW all my quotes, randomly selected by tin, with occasionally amazing
> insight for some reason, are available at:
You probably have good intentions..

> ftp://ftp.calweb.com/users/j/jmprice/quotes/
I've found some very good quotes on the internet and i'll be 
presenting them on my website after this. I'll have a look at yours 
too, but so far the best word, that i know of, to describe them is - 
vapid!:-)
 
-
all the best
	Magnus Olsson

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From: nospam@nospamnospam.com                           08-Nov-99 19:24:05
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: nospam@nospamnospam.com (Magnus Olsson)

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:48:23, Robert Dohrenburg 
<rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:

> schiz-o-phre-ni-a:
> 1. Any of a group of phychotic disorders usually characterized by
> withdrawl from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions and
> halucinations and accompained in varying degrees by other emotional,
> behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia, often
> associated with dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the
> frontal lobe, may have an underlaying genetic cause.
> 
> 2. A condition that results from the coexistence of disparate or
> antagonistic qualities, identities, or activities: the schizophrenia of
> the double espionage agent.
> 
> The American Heritahe Dictionary.
Dictionaries can be very misleading, use your intelligence instead.
 
-
all the best
	Magnus Olsson

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From: dd@dandrake.com                                   08-Nov-99 18:52:14
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: dd@dandrake.com (Dan Drake)

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:28:55, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
wrote:

>..
> 
> [Now, see, if ProNews came back alive we could get one more filter field, 
> to allow us to block any article containing one of the unspeakable strings 
> anywhere in the body.]

Yes!  Anybody in the ng client business reading this?  Someday there will 
be a better newsreader tha ProNews, I suppose, and this will be one of its
features.  How long have I wished for it when looking at some 
soc.history.science posting and finding that it's just a reply to 
Mathematician Transuranium, who has been kill-filed for years.


-- 
Dan Drake
dd@dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/index.html

What exactly was the sin of Sodom?
Explicit details at
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?ezekiel+16:49

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 08-Nov-99 20:58:20
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: os/2 under linux, win9x or NT

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <942067291.278707@daeumling.is-europe.at>, "Michael Wagner"
<michael.wagner@pcservices.at> writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>is there a possibility to run os/2 appl (32Bit). under linux, win9x or NT.
>-Because I have a very big customer who has to provide the possibility to
>run win32 and os/2 appl. on the same machine.
>-OS/2 as desktop platform is death! I have this info from IBM directly. I
>think there must be a lot of another companies with the same problem

everyone complains about how bad Microsoft is but at the time
no one did anything about it . . . if this is a BIG customer, tell IBM
that they will either support OS/2 ON THE DESKTOP, or your
customer will change over to NT and all Microsoft products
and non-IBM hardware & services. Mean it.

IBM doesn't really give a sh*t if I live or die, but big customers they
care for. Unless your company would like to subsidize IBM and Microsoft
both, make them stand behind their "solution." You bought a solution,
not a product - did it have an expiration date ? When your company 
invested in this solution, did IBM tell you that " in x number of years this 
solution will no longer work and you'll have to change over to our 
competitor's 'solution' after all ?"  If not, scream. Scream loud, scream 
long, and scream big money. That is the only thing that any corporation 
listens to now.

>
>vmware does not support os2 yet(if enough interested party are asking for
>vmware will build in the os/2 support),
>bochs does also not support os2 (I've no statement from bochs at present).
>..
>is there something else?.
>

--
h„rad ‘ngravv†d

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    08-Nov-99 20:40:01
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop 1.0

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:04:59, Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net> 
wrote:

> Of course, I want more details ...
> 
> Coud you explain how did you installed it ??

I'll dig out the details and email them.

Anyone else wants them...ask

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: nospam@nospamnospam.com                           08-Nov-99 19:23:29
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: Netscape cache messing up

From: nospam@nospamnospam.com (Magnus Olsson)

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:32:04, andy <andy@schiller.big.ac.at> wrote:

> > I'll take the opportunity to thank you and the IBM team for
> > communicator 4.61. I'm not completely happy with it (drag and drop
> > still works better with 2.02, which is also more stable), but it's a
> > big leap forward from 4.04 and caching works *much* better than in
> > 2.02!:-)
> 
> The only stability problem I've got (up to now) is that the messenger
crashes every
> first time I start it
I've got something that may be related. Some ten times i've had the 
messenger crash when selecting a warpcast message *right after* 
retrieving new messages. If i restart messenger and select an unread 
warpcast message it crashes again, and again, but if i select an 
already read message, i can thereafter read all messages without any 
crashing.

BTW: I think the fact that it's always been warpcast messages is only 
coincidence, if there is such a thing:-)

When talking about problems with communicator, the thing i find most 
annoying is that downloads quietly finish before they are *really* 
finished.

> 
> greetings
>                 Andreas
> 

-
all the best
	Magnus Olsson

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    08-Nov-99 21:33:15
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Raphael Tennenbaum <raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net> writes:
> 
> To be honest, I can't tell you, since I heard so many horror
> stories I never bothered with either.  My basic feeling is
> that there's freeware or reasonably-priced shareware to do
> everything (or practically everything) that OD does.  To
> start with, have a look at Xfolder
> 
>    ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/wps/xfld085.zip

Since I installed XFolder, I can't copy objects, it tells me that an
object of the same name exists already no matter what the new name I give
it.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    08-Nov-99 21:43:26
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Jerry McBride <mcbrides@erols.com> writes:
> 
> Right off the bat... the 6416 runs just fine under all versions of OS/2 with
> the exception of... there have been posts to the effect that the 6416 is not
> able to cda with certain software...  Why? I have no idea as I don't own
one.

That was me. It works fine with cdda2wav from the cdrecord package, but
that seems to be the only one.

There seems to be a bug in cdda2wav, but it's minor. If you try to rip a
number of tracks, say 2-5, and track 5 is longer than track 4, then track
5 will be truncated to the length of track 4. There is no problem in
single-track ripping.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: debu4335@dpnet.net                                08-Nov-99 16:44:10
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:

> Have you set the win_run mode to 'enhanced compatibility' in your
> session settings?  You need to.

Tried that.

>  You'll also want to set XMS memory limit to 16384.

Haven't tried that. Hang on...

OK, just tried that (both things.) I get the same error: "The Win-OS/2*
session does not support this application." Same thing either fullscreen
or seamless. :(

> Wordperfect 7 also works here, or it did the 3 times I started it.

It used to work for me too. I don't understand why it quit.

> >>The only way to get updates and bugfixes to Quicken98 is to use MSIE.
> >>
> 
> Incorrect.  Actually, Intuit will be quite happy to send you a CD with
> the latest fixes - they're quite used to it, since the download method
> usually fails.

Cool! To whom do I send an e-mail?

> Good point - you MUST run quicken in a full screen session.

I run Quicken98 seamless.

-- 
Mike DeBusk  ÿ  North East, Maryland USA  ÿ  Team OS/2
Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences

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From: matinee@cix.co.uk                                 08-Nov-99 22:30:25
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Microtek ScanMaker 330 works in OS/2 via CFM Twain full release.

From: matinee@cix.co.uk (Peter Kay)

As per subject. It's never been completely obvious by reading the 
newsgroups.

With the demo it doesnt work, with the release it does, with no 
changes required.

--- Peter Kay --- Manchester, UK --- OS/2, NT and more ---

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From: cocke@catherders.com                              08-Nov-99 17:51:13
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>

On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:44:21 -0500, Michael DeBusk wrote:

>"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
>
>> Have you set the win_run mode to 'enhanced compatibility' in your
>> session settings?  You need to.
>
>Tried that.
>
>>  You'll also want to set XMS memory limit to 16384.
>
>Haven't tried that. Hang on...
>
>OK, just tried that (both things.) I get the same error: "The Win-OS/2*
>session does not support this application." Same thing either fullscreen
>or seamless. :(

Is that the _exact_ error message?  If so, hmmmm.....
What video driver and mode do you have selected for OS/2?  For WIN-os2?
Quicken98 requires 256 colors minimum.  (Actually, it can be fooled, but
that's a different subject).

Something sounds strange here.  That isn't any of the 'standard' error 
messages that I've ever seen out of Win-OS2.


>> Wordperfect 7 also works here, or it did the 3 times I started it.
>
>It used to work for me too. I don't understand why it quit.

Try this...

Open a full screen win-os2 session, then try running the application 
from the file manager (or desktop if you've configured for it).  
Sometimes this will display an error message that is otherwise being 
'eaten'.  I have the oddest hunch - no proof (yet) that your video 
drivers or mode for winos2 have gotten out of sync with the video for 
OS/2. Either that or memory allocation errors.  That error message is 
bothering me...


>> >>The only way to get updates and bugfixes to Quicken98 is to use 
MSIE.
>> >>
>> 
>> Incorrect.  Actually, Intuit will be quite happy to send you a CD with
>> the latest fixes - they're quite used to it, since the download method
>> usually fails.
>
>Cool! To whom do I send an e-mail?

I have no idea.  I just call them on the phone - the number is in the 
manual and on their web page.

>> Good point - you MUST run quicken in a full screen session.
>
>I run Quicken98 seamless.
>
>-- 
>Mike DeBusk  ˜  North East, Maryland USA  ˜  Team OS/2
>Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences

!?!?!?!

My wife used to be the SIG-Admin, among other things, and I sysoped 
the Central Core BBS and hosted the BASIC conference.




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From: daolath@news1.mnsinc.com                          08-Nov-99 23:02:18
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: daolath@news1.mnsinc.com (Mike Williams)

On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 06:46:27 -0500, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
wrote:
>For some time I have had a watch killing all incoming messages from
>McCoy.I see from many replies that he is still spreading lies here on
>behalf of MicroSlop.
>
>For those who don't know, this is a very, very disturbed individual who
>needs to be locked in a padded cell and forcefed the medications he
>refuses to take. Until then, I suggest you apply a kill filter to keep him
>from his wasteful activities.

Well, you could probably say that about most of us. I keep an eye on his posts 

because I keep hoping that Ominor will take him over again, but so far, no
joy.

-- 
-Mike
I can also be reached at work: mike.williams@swift.com

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From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com                           08-Nov-99 23:08:05
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 21:19:01
Subj: Re: SMART SUITE 1.1 fixes

From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com (George Czerw)

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:26:18, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> 
wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Michel SUCH wrote:
> 
> î I have a problem loading some msword files into my wordpro with a 3175
> î abend.
> î 
> î Have there been some fixes to the 1.1 version and where can they be
> î downloaded from?
> 
> There have been, but at the moment I cannot point you to the url but
> hopefully someone else can. What I've noticed about the v1.1.1 updates is
> that some of the files are identical to the original ones which makes me
> wonder why they are included in the "update". Has anyone else noticed
> that?
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 

Fixes can be found at the following URL:

http://www.support.lotus.com/sims2/sims_or2.nsf/430bb6168e25dd69852566
430080b767/c980c1bf48fa57fa852567af00646c04?OpenDocument&ExpandSection
=1#_Section1.4


George

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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            08-Nov-99 16:58:18
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 21:19:01
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

In <ycdJ4oXf03MU092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, on 11/07/99 
   at 02:46 PM, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)
said:

>If you've got Java 1.1.7 or later installed, try Sean
>Reilly's outstanding Java personal finance package,
>Moneydance.  

>http://seanreilly.com/java/moneydance/

Agreed.  It's quite excellent.

--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 31 Processes with 121 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 2d 1h 26m 18s 257ms.


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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               08-Nov-99 19:53:04
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 21:19:01
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:02:37 GMT, Mike Williams wrote:

>Well, you could probably say that about most of us. I keep an eye on his
posts 
>because I keep hoping that Ominor will take him over again, but so far, no
joy.

Never trust on traitor on either side.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: tvoltagg@home.com                                 09-Nov-99 01:25:09
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: tvoltagg@home.com

Does it have PC Banking?


In <382755a7$1$sebqbwee$mr2ice@nntp.interaccess.com>, postmaster@[127.0.0.1]
writes:
>In <ycdJ4oXf03MU092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, on 11/07/99 
>   at 02:46 PM, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)
>said:
>
>>If you've got Java 1.1.7 or later installed, try Sean
>>Reilly's outstanding Java personal finance package,
>>Moneydance.  
>
>>http://seanreilly.com/java/moneydance/
>
>Agreed.  It's quite excellent.
>
>--
>GK
>            
>FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
>OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
>There are 31 Processes with 121 Threads.
>This machine's uptime is 2d 1h 26m 18s 257ms.
>
>

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From: wsrue@ATTGlobal.net                               08-Nov-99 20:39:05
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net>

Thanks for all the responses!

I do have Partition Magic, both v3 & v4, and used it on a new drive
recently.  Alas, that now gives me room to carve out a new FAT primary
on the first drive.  I'm not going to install the DOS right away, but at
least now I know I can.

One other question: Does anyone know how large the partition should be? 
I was thinking about 50mg, including a couple of small apps.  But that
is only a guess.

-Walter

"Walter S. Rue" wrote:
> 
> The User's Guide says that PC DOS must be installed on C:, implying that
> I would have to reinstall OS/2 on some other partition first.
> 
> Is there some way I can set the (CD) install to use, say, H: instead?  I
> assume that the Bootmanager hookup would be no problem in any case.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Walter

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            08-Nov-99 20:58:17
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkuxe56.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:50:03 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>
>>
>>Like the Graham Utilities or GammaTech? Both are HPFS-defraggers, you know.
I 
>>know plenty of people using Windows and most don't have constant lock-ups.
That 
>>is an ability mastered by OS/2 users like you who don't have 's' keys.
>
>I know HPFS defraggers are available but I have never needed them. Most
>people just assume the are needed from force of habit using Bills wretched
>file systems.
>
>>
>>Diskeeper for NT is free. You did know this, right?
>
>Nothing is free, 

Diskeeper is free.

>you pay through the nose just to buy NT.

I payed $129 for the OS/2 upgrade in 1996. I payed $72 for NT 4.0 Full blown
in 
August 1997. The upgrade to Win2000 from NT will be $149.

You don't appear to know very much. I'll help you.

>>
>>
>>>Plus be sure to dig in even deeper for the next mandatory
>>>upgrade, that Bill is going to force on you.
>>
>>What mandatory upgrade? You mean like the $200 bucks IBM is charging you
just 
>>to allow you to get Netscape and Java(at some point not yet determined), the 

>>very software that others get for free?
>
>Gee, I am up the Comm4.61 and Java 1.18 and it was free. I hear some FUD;-)

No, you just don't know about the software choice subscription of IBM. You
will 
learn when the next version of Java for OS/2 comes out because starting in 
January, it is $200.

You are sure out of the loop.

>>
>>Do you enjoy paying for things that others get for free? Seems that nothing
is 
>>more mandatory than the Software Subscription Choice Program.
>>
>>>Go to http://www.epox.com/Default.asp and look up EP-MVP3G with the G200 if
>>>you don't believe me. I have tried both versions of 95 and 98 and it has
>>>never been a good combo. Yet in OS/2 I never had a problem. That concludes
it
>>>to be a win direct-x problem.
>>
>>Strange, I would say that the motherboard is certainly suspect. Only someone 

>>who WANTS to blame Windows would make that assumption. That's why I use good 

>>boards like Abit.
>
>Well here is the link: http://www.epox.com/support/bulletins/t-23.html

And here is the text "Some EPoX motherboards using the VIA MVP3 chipset may 
suffer from some stability issues with Matrox AGP video cards using the G200 
video chipset. It will be necessary for the Matrox G200 AGP video card’s BIOS 
to be updated to atleast VGA/VBE BIOS version 1.3 revision 0.11 and the
drivers 
for Windows 95/98 to be upgraded to atleast revision 4.21.009. The new updated 

BIOS and drivers for the Matrox G200 AGP card can be downloaded from the
Matrox 
Website here: "

According to this, the bios and Matrox drivers are at fault. Clearly, you 
insistence to blame Windows when even your motherboard maker says the bios and 

Matrox's drivers are at fault show that you are inot interested in finding the 

real cause of your problems.

>Now, if I am having a problem in OS/2 I can boot another OS to see if it
>continues, if it does, it is a hardware problem. If the problem goes away, it
>is a software problem. The problem with the G200 and the Via chipset is a
>windoze 9x problem. Their is no problem with Dos, win3.1, OS/2 ver 3 or 4 in
>my box. So keep on blaming the hardware, it will never change the fact that
>windoze is not as compatible as you think.

N, it is a bios and Matrox driver problem. The link YOU provided says so. It 
seems that once again, you are mistaken.

Don't you ever grow tired of this?


>>
>>> Finally, your main point doesn't seem to address the fact you 
>>>>will have to pay for those drivers when they are released on top of paying 
for 
>>>>the card.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Like I said above, they are much less than all the money you spend on
>>>mandatory utilities like, Anti Virus, Defraggers, etc.
>>
>>Hello, there are anti-virus programs and defraggers for OS/2. And process 
>>killers.
>
>I have never needed any of those utilities, so it does not apply to me, it is
>just a bad old habit the people have picked up from using MS Dos. Most OS/2
>users really do not need these utilities that are more important to virus
>prone Dos, and bad fragmenting, cross linking, allocation error prone MS file
>systems.

Unless you are not using OS/2, it does apply to you. Else, since copies of 
Grahm, Gammatech, and IBM anti-virus were sold, you must feel that OS/2 users 
are idiots for buying software they don't need.

I've got news for you, DOS viruses can affect OS/2 through DOS VDMs and HPFS 
can fragment. All filesystems can fragment.


>> You don't find any process killers for Windows, you now.
>
>Not you don't. That is why reset buttons were put on the front of PCs with
>the introduction of windoze95.

Silly boy. I've got a 486 from 1994 that was out before Windows 95 that has a 
reset buttons. Reset buttons were out on 386s.

Don't you ever get out?

>  As opposed 
>>to shelling out cash twice for video cards, for example. Once for the card
that 
>>you can't fully use, then for drivers that STILL can't fully exploit the
card. 
>>Or all that money for RSJ, the only commercial OS/2 CD-R program and it
doesn't 
>>support IDE drives. But hey, you get to spend over $200 for that single
choice.
>
>Scietech exploits the cards much better than OEM drivers, on any platform
>that is not a Kenmore consumer quality designed for idiots OS. Only the real
>Oses are lacking driver support. Wintendo has it all.

Scitech sells software to people with old video cards, a market that clearly 
includes OS/2. New cards have no need for them. Even Linux has dual-monitor 
support for the G400. Only poor OS/2 is on the outside looking in.

>>
>>The price difference between RSJ and any ONE Windows CD-R program will cover 

>>your defragger and anti-virus programs, if you so need them. Of course, 
>>defraggers comes with Windows 98, Diskeeper for NT is free.
>
>Why should I waste an hour defragging my hard drive, plus all the time wasted
>loading files before I get time to defrag it?

Beats me. If I need to defrag, I'll set it for 4:00 am in the morning when I 
sleeping. 

>>
>>>>>One thing I know it will never have, that wretched Internet Exploder.
>>>>
>>>>IE, IMO, is currently better than Netscape.
>>>
>>>I am not surprized, ever since Bill Gates captured Ominar and brain washed
>>>him;-)
>>>
>>
>>Nope. Windows NT won Ominor over by being a superior product. Ominor doesn't 

>>support losers.
>>
>
>Well I don't support monopolies that try and force stuff up my ass either.
>

Nope, you just support IBM, who quietly slips their stuff up your ass. Makes
it 
seem more like your idea.

-- 
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David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: wsrue@ATTGlobal.net                               08-Nov-99 20:47:08
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: SMART SUITE 1.1 fixes

From: "Walter S. Rue" <wsrue@ATTGlobal.net>

ORG32B.DLL is one of the duplicates, without looking at others.

By the way, Lotus certainly has a weird way of publishing fix-packs,
quite unlike those published elsewhere in IBM.  For example, why can't
they include a simple read.me?

-Walter

Steve Drewell wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Michel SUCH wrote:
> 
> ˜ I have a problem loading some msword files into my wordpro with a 3175
> ˜ abend.
> ÿ
> ˜ Have there been some fixes to the 1.1 version and where can they be
> ˜ downloaded from?
> 
> There have been, but at the moment I cannot point you to the url but
> hopefully someone else can. What I've noticed about the v1.1.1 updates is
> that some of the files are identical to the original ones which makes me
> wonder why they are included in the "update". Has anyone else noticed
> that?
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            08-Nov-99 21:07:08
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkuxs97.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:58:24 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>
>>>
>>>That is fine, let Scietch experiment with the windoze users first. They are
>>>used to buying products that are not ready for release any ways.
>>
>>Like Stellar Frontiers, JStreet Mailer, or Avarice all betas programs that
OS/2 
>>users paid to participate in.
>
>And windows users pay in advance for beta OSes, and pay again for the next
>beta that was supposed to fix the last failure.

Solaris users pay in advance also. And Unix users(which I also use) make you 
clowns look stupid. Regardless, next year OS/2 users will be paying for good 
video drivers, Java, and webbrowsers, things the rest of the world get for 
free.

How stupid.

>>
>>Besides, Windows users don't need Scitech because unlike OS/2, their drivers 

>>work fully and out of the box.
>
>Not out of the box I opened. And I have used Matrox drivers on OS/2 with no
>problems as well.

You seem to feel that one driver works on all operating systems. Regardless, 
the G400, TnT2, Voodoo3, basic any good new card won't work well under OS/2
out 
of the box.

Tseng cards work great though.

>>The lag time I spoke of is the time it will take Scitech to get OS/2 drivers 

>>out of the door. They've only just added Voodoo3 and TnT2 support and those
are 
>>in beta. GeForce is out. Drivers are available, yet Scitech is no where to
be 
>>found.
>
>If you think you have to run out and buy every new card on the market, all I
>can say is the vendors are lucky to have you.

Don't need every new card, just one. The TnT2 and guess what. The OS/2 support 

sucks. But I do agree, that the vendors are lucky to have customers who buy 
stuff. That's why they don't support OS/2.

>>OS/2 users are used to paying for stuff the same price for less features.
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>The same goes for Be, Linux, AS400, etc. so what is you point. Every
hardware
>>>manufacturer cozies up to the consumer grade OS. "Windows, the Kenmore of
>>>PC's."
>>
>>NT is consumer grade and has support that is better than all of the above.
Heck 
>>even Linux has G400 multimonitor support as does NT. Only OS/2, the
bridesmaid 
>>of Operating systems is out in the cold.
>
>Correct, consumer grade is always the inferior product in any situation. OS/2
>is a commercial grade OS. You know the one preferred in almost every bank.

Sure for ATM machines. Embedded chip makes like DOS. Regardless, I left the 
"not" out of the above sentence. NT is commercial level, is selling better
than 
OS/2 ever will, and kills OS/2 WRT support. That's why IBM is standardizing on 

Windows 2000 and is showing OS/2 the door.

>>>>
>>>So why is Scitech making a windoze version, because they know windoze users
>>>are dumb enough to spend money on the inferior alternative, when they
already
>>>have a free superior driver? Scitech is an improvement over OEM drivers on
>>>any platform, that is why it is being made for windoze as well.
>>>
>>Silly boy. Scitech's main purpose is life is the squeeze out life from
obselete 
>>hardware. The must have fainted when they found OS/2. Why don't you try
reading 
>>what they do. For example, they've got a product, FOR WINDOWS ONLY, that
gives 
>>OpenGL support to cards that don't have it natively. Find a new card that
fits 
>>that description. Of course, they've decided that OS/2 isn't good enough to 
>>port this program to.
>>
>
>What ever, the whole point is Scitech is writing for a Dead OS, as you Fud
>mongers would say.

Because even when a person dies, there are people who making money on the 
corpse.  Of course, Scitech's money will be made on the IBM license because 
people like you are too cheap to actually buy anything.

That's why most OS/2 ISVs leave.


-- 
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dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            08-Nov-99 21:07:29
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <3826D7CE.7DB1B0B5@card-plus-ca.com>, howard.wong@card-plus-ca.com 
says...
>I'll do just that, as I nauseate at the sight of
>"David H. McCoy" anywhere in a message.
>

You need help. Perhaps a girl...

-- 
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dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            08-Nov-99 21:08:29
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <hEIV3.34997$oa2.112933@iad-read.news.verio.net>, 
daolath@news1.mnsinc.com says...
>On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 06:46:27 -0500, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
wrote:
>>For some time I have had a watch killing all incoming messages from
>>McCoy.I see from many replies that he is still spreading lies here on
>>behalf of MicroSlop.
>>
>>For those who don't know, this is a very, very disturbed individual who
>>needs to be locked in a padded cell and forcefed the medications he
>>refuses to take. Until then, I suggest you apply a kill filter to keep him
>>from his wasteful activities.
>
>Well, you could probably say that about most of us. I keep an eye on his
posts 
>because I keep hoping that Ominor will take him over again, but so far, no
joy.
>
>

Ominor doesn't support inferior operating systems. NT has, in Ominor's
opinion, 
passed NT by.

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: hjmurray@home.com                                 09-Nov-99 02:14:22
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: "Hal Murray" <hjmurray@home.com>

 > worth much anyway, except maybe for WinXX users. 
 > 
 > Is that sort of thing normal when buying software on-line? 
 > 
 > 
 I tried Partition Magic 4 on my OS/2 drive and it destroyed my
extended partition. So I went back to Partition Magic 3 text version.

I don't expect they addresses the Os/2 incompatibility in Version 5.
Hal Murray
Calgary, AB
Warp 4, FP12, Java 118, Emerald Mai

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 08-Nov-99 19:58:13
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:

>Raphael Tennenbaum <raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net> writes:
>> 
>> To be honest, I can't tell you, since I heard so many horror
>> stories I never bothered with either.  My basic feeling is
>> that there's freeware or reasonably-priced shareware to do
>> everything (or practically everything) that OD does.  To
>> start with, have a look at Xfolder
>> 
>>    ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/wps/xfld085.zip
>
>Since I installed XFolder, I can't copy objects, it tells me that an
>object of the same name exists already no matter what the new name I give
>it.
>
>Pierre
>-- 
>Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
>                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
>The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
>   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

Zounds!  Did you check out Ulrich's webpage at 

   http://www2.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444vnd/os2.htm

?  I had a quick look and he mentions what sounds like a similar problem:

  Some people report that drag'n'drop or moving files isn't
  working any more. I suspect this is related to changes to
  the new "File exists" dialog. Disable that dialog in
  "Workplace Shell". If the problem does not go away, mail
  me if you've found something interesting, but other
  than that, I don't know what the problem is. 

Let us know if his suggestion fixes it.

Btw, for those who were a little worried about the ongoing
status of Xfolder, there's cheering news -- he's working on
its successor, "XWorkplace."

PS: I *need* Three Brass Balls.  Any chance there's a sample MP3
anywhere?

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 08-Nov-99 20:44:22
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop 1.0

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:04:59, Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net> 
>wrote:
>
>> Of course, I want more details ...
>> 
>> Coud you explain how did you installed it ??
>
>I'll dig out the details and email them.
>
>Anyone else wants them...ask
>


Haven't got the Palm yet, but I'd be interested.  Why not
post'em here?


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            08-Nov-99 22:10:27
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkwnsk2.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:02:37 GMT, Mike Williams wrote:
>
>>Well, you could probably say that about most of us. I keep an eye on his
posts 
>>because I keep hoping that Ominor will take him over again, but so far, no
joy.
>
>Never trust on traitor on either side.
>

Listen to yourself. A traitor? To software? You are ill.

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 08-Nov-99 22:15:19
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

tvoltagg@home.com wrote:

>Does it have PC Banking?

If I can guess at what that is, I'm fairly sure Sean's been
working on adding online banking for the next release.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: mckinnis@attglobal.net                            08-Nov-99 20:22:10
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: &emdash; vs. NS4.61

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@attglobal.net>

Jeffery, thanks for the resource pointer, but where are codes 128-159?

"Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote:
> 
> James Jones wrote:
> 
> > Supposedly &emdash; gives one an em dash in HTML documents, but
> > experimentation shows that NS 4.61 doesn't appear to understand it.
> > Am I misspelling something (doubtful; I double checked)?  If there
> > really is a problem, is there a workaround?  Thanks.
> 
> I don't believe that is a correct symbol in HTML.  The following
> is a chart I've used for reference to the supported characters
> and HTML codes within the Latin-1 charset, in the HTML 3.2
> standard (perhaps you'll find another character there that
> would suffice for your needs):
> 
> http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/charset/latin1.gif
> 
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashco...               08-Nov-99 23:03:20
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: BOOTOS2

Message sender: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

In <3821948F.71297B36@us.ibm.com>, on 11/04/99 
   at 09:13 AM, Kenneth Kahn <kenkahn@us.ibm.com> said:


I finally tried it again this weekend.  Last time was around FP6 or FP8,
can't remember.  System with FP12 did actually create a single disk, but
wouldn't boot from it...even with IBMATAPI loaded.

The previous problem was a broken FORMAT in OS/2.  There were release
notes stating not to use the command line FORMAT to format LS-120 disks. 
Even with FORMAT:NONE Bootos2 insisted on formatting the floppies.

Still non-bootable LS-120

Roland

>yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net wrote:

>> When you do that it dies with a disk full error.  It also won't place a PM
>> on the A drive eventhough the drive is really 120MEG.
>>

>Run with the TRACE option and send me the resulting LOG file so I can see
>what's going on.

>Ken Kahn - IBM P/390 Software Development (and BOOTOS2 Author) Internet :
>kenkahn@us.ibm.com
>   Lotus : Kenneth Kahn/Poughkeepsie/IBM@IBMUS
>      VM : kenkahn@ibmusm10


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net              To Respond delete
".illegaltospam"
                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
                            For a Microsoft free univers
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From: mikelrob@flash.net                                09-Nov-99 04:30:09
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: REXX  unreachable?

From: mikelrob@flash.net (Michael Robertson)

	I wrote about not being able to start several programs, Smack and CM2
a few days ago.  It seems that REXX is not working.  I copied the 
sample program from the REXX help and it just returns to the command 
line when I try to run it.  I did try selectively reinstalling 
REXX  but nothing changed.  Any ideas about this out there?

	Michael Robertson

***Live simply, that others may simply live.***

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 09-Nov-99 05:10:04
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:29
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <zG3J4oXf0zYK092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum) writes:
>
>PS: I *need* Three Brass Balls.  
>--

hmm, maybe there's a Brass Donkey store near you ?  Or there's
always Jesse Helms, but since they started serving Viagra at the 
Cafeteria he may be using his . . . .

 
>Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
>readme@ http://www.ray-field.com


--
h„rad ‘ngravv†d

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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     09-Nov-99 06:43:16
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:29
Subj: Re: &emdash; vs. NS4.61

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Chuck McKinnis wrote:

> Jeffery, thanks for the resource pointer, but where are codes 128-159?

You're welcome, and it's "Jeffrey"... or just Jeff.  :)

As for the "missing" codes, look at the main document at
that same website for an explanation:

http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/charset

"ISO-8859-1 explicitly does not define displayable characters
for positions 0-31 and 127-159, and the HTML standard does
not allow those to be used for displayable characters. The
only characters in this range that are used are 9, 10 and 13,
which are tab, newline and carriage return respectively. If
you attempt to display these invalid characters on your own
system, you may find some characters displayed there, but
please do not assume that other users will see the same
thing (or even anything at all) on their systems."

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             08-Nov-99 23:05:29
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:29
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 23:00:02 -0500, Walter S. Rue wrote:

>I wasn't clear.  I meant to ask if PC DOS could possibly be installed in
>a partition that is not C: ?  I doubt I will install it at all if OS/2
>must be reinstalled (in another partition) just to make room for it.

No, DOS cannot be installed on any other partition other than C: But
there are two way that you COULD install DOS without installing OS/2 on
another partition. 1) you could use Partition magic to shrink your
current C: (OS/2) drive, then specify another primary part on the same
disk, install DOS into it, and then specify both OSes in Boot Man. That
way, whichever OS you chose on boot would automatically become C: and
the other would be invisible. ...and 2) IF your current C: is FAT, you
could install DOS onto the same drive, then run enough of OS/2's
install to install Dual Boot which would allow you to choose whichever
system you wanted to run at boot. The advantage to number 2 is that
both OSes can exist on the same drive and you can also use OS/2's
"Trapdoor" to run the very occasional DOS app that just will NOT run in
OS/2's VDM DOS emulation.


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             08-Nov-99 23:13:24
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 05:19:24
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:39:11 -0500, Walter S. Rue wrote:

>One other question: Does anyone know how large the partition should be? 
>I was thinking about 50mg, including a couple of small apps.  But that
>is only a guess.

For DOS, I'd either go less than 32 megs - for the smallest possible
block size (2K) thereby wasting the least amount of space - or else go
with 125 megs (larger block size - 4 megs) which would allow enough
room to install something useful to run in DOS (games?)

But that begs the question, what do you want with DOS that you can't
already run in an OS/2 VDM? (games?)


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          09-Nov-99 07:56:09
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 05:19:24
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:02:29, Nick Knight <nick@secant.com> a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> In <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkqupx3.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, on 11/05/99 
>    at 03:37 PM, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> said:
> 
> >>[Now, see, if ProNews came back alive we could get one more filter field, 
> >>to allow us to block any article containing one of the unspeakable strings 

> >>anywhere in the body.]
> 
> >Now you just gave McCoy some bait to bash OS/2 for lack of application
> >support;-)
> 
> Nah, MR/2 can KILL on text (or complex set of text) contained anywhere in
> an article, so there is at least one way, within OS/2, to do this :)
> 
> No, I'm not trying to participate in this thread!  Just testing on a
> REXX-related filter problem.  

Without a doubt MR2's filters are more adaptable and more advanced (plus 
they do REXX) than ProNews.


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          09-Nov-99 07:57:00
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 05:19:24
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:37:09, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> a Úcrit dans 
un message:

> On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:28:55 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> >[Now, see, if ProNews came back alive we could get one more filter field, 
> >to allow us to block any article containing one of the unspeakable strings 
> >anywhere in the body.]
> 
> Now you just gave McCoy some bait to bash OS/2 for lack of application
> support;-)
> 
> Robert Donnelly (Are we related?)

Aren't all Irish related?


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: debu4335@dpnet.net                                09-Nov-99 04:33:29
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 10:58:09
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:

> >OK, just tried that (both things.) I get the same error: "The Win-OS/2*
> >session does not support this application." Same thing either fullscreen
> >or seamless. :(
> 
> Is that the _exact_ error message?  If so, hmmmm.....

That's the _exact_ error message.

> What video driver and mode do you have selected for OS/2?  For WIN-os2?

I use the Elsa Winner 2000/Office with 8MB RAM and driver level 1.06.00
at 800x600x16.7 million colors in OS/2. Same resolution in Win-OS/2.

> Something sounds strange here.  That isn't any of the 'standard' error
> messages that I've ever seen out of Win-OS2.

I agree.

> Open a full screen win-os2 session, then try running the application
> from the file manager (or desktop if you've configured for it).

I got "This application requires a newer version of Win-OS/2."


> >Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences
> 
> !?!?!?!
> 
> My wife used to be the SIG-Admin, among other things, and I sysoped
> the Central Core BBS and hosted the BASIC conference.

ILink is still going. It isn't busy like in the BBS heyday, but it's
still a great place. New HQ is at:

http://www.fonix.org/public/ilink/index.html

-- 
Mike DeBusk  ÿ  North East, Maryland USA  ÿ  Team OS/2
Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               09-Nov-99 04:11:10
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 10:58:09
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: letoured@nospam.net


McCoy were you born an asshole or is it something you acquired?



_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 09-Nov-99 05:03:24
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 10:58:09
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.apps, Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>
spake unto us, saying:

>ILink is still going. It isn't busy like in the BBS heyday, but it's
>still a great place. New HQ is at:

Huh...  I was active on ILink years ago as well (mainly in various
shareware forums and places like TCS's SLiMeR support forum).

Good to see it still lives!  :-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           Virus detected!  P)our chicken soup on motherboard?

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From: dink@dontspamme.com                               09-Nov-99 05:06:21
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 10:58:09
Subj: new utilties

From: "dinkmeister" <dink@dontspamme.com>

hi everyone!

over the past few years, i've written many small utilities to make things
a whole lot easier.  recently i've decided to document and release all of
these invaluable programs as freeware!  check out the link 'neatutils'
on my web page: http://dink.org - there's probably something for everyone
here.. 

i've also fixed the bad link to my crazy techno song (.mp3) =)
.. and, i've written a list of my all-time favorite sci-fi movies.

thats right folks, lately i've had a lot of time on my hands! =)

soon i'll document the recipe for my fameous burrito for when you
get the 3am munchies.. =)




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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 09-Nov-99 10:06:27
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 10:58:09
Subj: Re: os/2 under linux, win9x or NT

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:26:58, "Michael Wagner" 
<michael.wagner@pcservices.at> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> is there a possibility to run os/2 appl (32Bit). under linux, win9x or NT.
> -Because I have a very big customer who has to provide the possibility to
> run win32 and os/2 appl. on the same machine.
> -OS/2 as desktop platform is death! I have this info from IBM directly. I
> think there must be a lot of another companies with the same problem
> 
> vmware dose not support os2 yet(if enough interested party are asking for
> vmware will build in the os/2 support),
> bochs doese also not support os2 (I've no statement from bochs at present).
> ..
> is there something else?.
> 

Michael,

You are saying running win32 and os/2 applications on the same machine. 
Have you considered installing both Win9x and Warp (and possibly also 
WinNT and Linux) on the same machine and through a boot manager choose 
which operating system you want to run.?

Jan Swartling
 Blue Soft
 Sweden





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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      09-Nov-99 03:29:08
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 10:58:10
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <osLV3.9177$Q5.368557@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>, "Hal Murray"
<hjmurray@home.com> writes:

> I tried Partition Magic 4 on my OS/2 drive and it destroyed my
>extended partition. So I went back to Partition Magic 3 text version.
>
>I don't expect they addresses the Os/2 incompatibility in Version 5.

What sort of problems did you have?  I've used Partition Magic v4
and v5 betas 2 and 3 on my HPFS and ext2 partitions without 
problems.

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           09-Nov-99 12:00:19
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 10:58:10
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

osmo vuorio (osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi) wrote:

: You can allways use the double primary partition scheme
: with OS/2 bootmanager. There is one bad point, primaries
: will not see eachother is this case.

WinNT, which I have on a primary C: partition, is quite happy to see
the other (HPFS) primary C: partition.

Ian

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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           08-Nov-99 23:07:25
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 10:58:10
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

postmaster@[127.0.0.1] wrote:
> 
> In <3824809F.38187E4E@hotmail.com>, on 11/06/99
>    at 01:25 PM, Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> said:
> 
> >> I think this is a bit of a reach and a bit inappropriate.
> >>
> 
> >I just posted the definition from the dictonary. I took care not to make
> >any additional comments.
> 
> Hey, it's your conscience.
> 

LOL.

I hope I will be able to sleep tonight <g>

Robert,

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From: cmhall@umich.edu                                  09-Nov-99 13:32:17
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 13:50:28
Subj: Printing won't start from Win-OS2

From: cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall)

I just installed an HP LJ 1100 and OS/2 printing works fine. DOS printing
is fine. However, when printing from Win-OS2, the printer won't accept
characters until it's "jostled", either by hitting the "Go" button (which also
prints a test page) or by removing the paper from the tray (which at least
changes a status). I've looked in the win.ini file and there's nothing
obvious.
Also, changing the lpt1 bios port parameters doesn't affect anything (normal
vs epp). Right now it's just an annoyance. The problem only happens using the
HP win3.1 driver on its CD. If I print to a postscript driver which funnels
through Ghostscript, all is OK. If anyone knows what's happening, let me know.
System is Warp4 FP11 DDfix1.

Chris Hall  (cmhall@umich.edu)
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: khalsa@attglobal.net                              09-Nov-99 10:29:00
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 13:50:28
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install--Still

From: Satnam Singh <khalsa@attglobal.net>

Tried the enhanced mode, maxed XMS.  Even tried going back to VGA wondering if 
my
Matrox 2.31 driver was tipping off Quicken as to the presence of OS/2.  No
help;
still get "wrong windows version."

If anyone cares to take a stab, below Mikes comments I've printed out my
Winos2
fullscreen session settings, under which I've attempted to install Quicken 98.

I'd appreciate any help.
Satnam Singh

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:

> I've been using Quicken 98 on Win-Os2 since it came out, and I just want
> to bring up a couple of things...
>
> On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 16:16:06 GMT, jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net wrote:
>
> >In <38251A3B.4C1E1FF9@dpnet.net>, Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>
writes:
> >>Satnam Singh wrote:
> >>
> >>> I get "Wrong Windows version" when I try to install Quicken 98 under
> >>> Winos2.  I'm only interested in running a checkbook, and accounting for
> >>> credit cards/assets;
>
> Have you set the win_run mode to 'enhanced compatibility' in your
> session settings?  You need to.  You'll also want to set XMS memory
> limit to 16384.
>
> >>> don't care abount downloading transactions via internet access, etc.
> >>
> >>You should. The only way to get updates and bugfixes to Quicken98 is to
> >>use MSIE.
> >>
>
> Incorrect.  Actually, Intuit will be quite happy to send you a CD with
> the latest fixes - they're quite used to it, since the download method
> usually fails.
>
> >I have Warp 4 here, and I have several Win 3.1 programs on my
> >system which are running fine, including MS Office 4.1, Word Perfect
> >6.1, Timeline 6.1, and Quicken 98.
> >
> >I can remember getting those messages once in a while, but was able to
> >eliminat them by tweaking the settings in the settings notebook.  Mine
> >are run in a full screen WINOS2 session, and they are all set for enhanced
> >mode.  After that, I make sure they have enough memory to run.  If they
> >have trouble installing, try to tweak the Program Manager settings for the
> >WINOS2 session before the install.
>
> Good point - you MUST run quicken in a full screen session.  YOu must
> also INSTALL it in a full screen session.
>
> >After installing the programs, I have them all set up on individual
> >icons so that they cn be started directly from an OS/2 folder.
> >
> >If I remember corectly, the messages being observed above were MS's
> >way of trying to defeat OS/2 installs in the early days.
> >
> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
> >Plymouth, MN
> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >

To reply delete "deletehere." from return email address

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p=DOS_RMSIZE
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p=DOS_SHELL
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v=NETX.EXE,5,00,255
v=PSCPG.COM,3,40,255
v=SAF.EXE,3,40,255
v=WIN200.BIN,10,10,4
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v=AUTO
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p=DPMI_MEMORY_LIMIT
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p=DPMI_NETWORK_BUFF_SIZE
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v=8
d=1  On

p=EMS_FRAME_LOCATION
t=2
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p=EMS_HIGH_OS_MAP_REGION
t=1
v=0
d=1  On

p=EMS_LOW_OS_MAP_REGION
t=1
v=384
d=1  On

p=EMS_MEMORY_LIMIT
t=1
v=2048
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p=HW_NOSOUND
t=0
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v=1  On
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p=HW_TIMER
t=0
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d=1  On

p=IDLE_SECONDS
t=1
v=0
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p=IDLE_SENSITIVITY
t=1
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t=0
v=0  Off
d=1  On

p=KBD_ALTHOME_BYPASS
t=0
v=1  On
d=0  Off

p=KBD_BUFFER_EXTEND
t=0
v=1  On
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p=KBD_CTRL_BYPASS
t=2
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d=0  Off

p=KBD_RATE_LOCK
t=0
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p=MEM_EXCLUDE_REGIONS
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p=MEM_INCLUDE_REGIONS
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v=
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p=SIO_Allow_Access_COM1
t=0
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d=1  On

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t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=SIO_Allow_Access_COM3
t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=SIO_Allow_Access_COM4
t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=SIO_Idle_Sensitivity
t=1
v=100
d=1  On

p=SIO_Mode_DTR
t=2
v=No Change at OPEN or CLOSE
d=1  On

p=SIO_Mode_FIFO_Load_Count
t=2
v=16
d=1  On

p=SIO_Mode_IDSR
t=2
v=Ignore DSR During Receive
d=1  On

p=SIO_Mode_OCTS
t=2
v=HandShake Signal, as in RTS/CTS
d=1  On

p=SIO_Mode_ODSR
t=2
v=Ignore DSR During Transmit
d=1  On

p=SIO_Mode_RTS
t=2
v=HandShake Signal, as in RTS/CTS
d=1  On

p=SIO_Mode_XON/XOFF
t=2
v=No XON/XOFF flow control by SIO
d=1  On

p=SIO_Screen_Sync_Kludge
t=0
v=0  Off
d=1  On

p=SIO_Share_Access_With_OS/2
t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=SIO_Virtualize_16550A
t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=SIO_Virtualize_COM_Ports
t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=VIDEO_8514A_XGA_IOTRAP
t=0
v=0  Off
d=0  Off

p=VIDEO_FASTPASTE
t=0
v=0  Off
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p=VIDEO_MODE_RESTRICTION
t=2
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d=1  On

p=VIDEO_ONDEMAND_MEMORY
t=0
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t=0
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t=0
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p=VIDEO_WINDOW_REFRESH
t=1
v=1
d=1  On

p=XMS_HANDLES
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From: ralbers@dccnet.com                                09-Nov-99 15:44:10
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 13:50:28
Subj: Re: Accounting application

From: ralbers@dccnet.com

Take a look at NetLedger.  This is GREAT system, now you can do your 
accounting from ANY computer with internet access, never have to worry
about data backup, no more buying app upgrades, only a small nominal 
monthly fee to use - and soon will be integrated into e-business web 
sites so that some of the input will already be done for you.  I 
really like it!

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:28:21, "Roberto F. Salomon" 
<nospam@nospam.noway.com> wrote:

> I am looking for an accounting application for a small/medium sized
business.
>  Does anyone know of a true OS/2 app to do the job?
> 
> 


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From: IOFFVS@DropThis.PoBox.COM                         09-Nov-99 16:21:24
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 13:50:28
Subj: Bootable disk with Networking and Peer

From: IOFFVS@DropThis.PoBox.COM (Frank V. Schubert)

I am wondering if anyone can assist me.  I have a LAN here that consists
of a Server and several workstations.  I use BA/2 for my backup to tape.
BA/2 runs on the Server and backs up the server and all workstations to
the tape drive on the Server.

My problem is if one of the workstations fails, I will need to be able
to boot something from diskette that will connect to the LAN so that I
can run BA/2 to restore the drives to the workstation.

Now, I have seen several posts that indicate I should run ThinLaps to
put networking onto the diskettes.  However, this doesn't seem to me to
be enough.  It occurs to me that I would actually need to have PEER
installed.

To that end, I have used BOOTOS2 to build a set of bootable disks that
contain networking.  I have added a 3rd diskette that contains the LAN
Requestor code, I think.

However, when after booting up and getting the OS/2 prompt, I then issue
the NET START REQUESTER and this fails with a message indicating that a
file could not be found.  The problem is that it does not identify what
file.

Am I going about this the wrong way?  I am trying to basically setup a
bootable set of diskettes that will bring a workstation up in a mode that
allows it to make it's hard drives accessible to the server over the
network.  That way, I can just crank up BA/2 and have him restores files
directly to the hard drives.

Maybe I need to do something else?  Any thoughts?

-- 
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@       IOF Web page: ptth://com.triangle-systems.www(reversed)@
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From: howard.wong@card-plus-ca.com                      08-Nov-99 09:01:25
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: Howard Wong <howard.wong@card-plus-ca.com>

I'll do just that, as I nauseate at the sight of
"David H. McCoy" anywhere in a message.

I sincerely think that the more you talk about Mr.
McCoy, whether positively or negatively, the more
he enjoys it, as it seems to me he desperately
needs others' attention.

So let us put this thread to rest.  In general, I
suggest we all restrain from responding to Mr.
McCoy's non-constructive postings (if they are
constructive and do add value to the topic at
hand, then by all means continue the dialogue) and
put our collective knowledge and skills to better
use in helping other people or engage in
constructive discussions.

Cheers,
Howard Wong

Bob Germer wrote:
> 
> For some time I have had a watch killing all incoming messages from
> McCoy.I see from many replies that he is still spreading lies here on
> behalf of MicroSlop.
> 
> For those who don't know, this is a very, very disturbed individual who
> needs to be locked in a padded cell and forcefed the medications he
> refuses to take. Until then, I suggest you apply a kill filter to keep him
> from his wasteful activities.
> 
> --
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
> MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
> Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>
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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        08-Nov-99 15:00:02
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 14:58:54 GMT, A. Willard Reese <areese@bestnetpc.com>
wrote:
> I'm considering buying a Yamaha  6x4x16 internal SCSI-2 CD-RW kit with
> an Adaptec PCI SCSI interface card to run on my Warp 4.0, fixpak 11,
> system. Can anyone tell me their experience with such a setup?  How
> about drivers for OS2?  What problems have been encountered, etc?  The
> price is right on this combination but it's no good to me if it won't
> run in OS2.

I used my 6416s to cut a CD in Warp (fp9) this very morning.  :)

My SCSI adapter is a Mylex BT-958, however.  As long as the SCSI card is
supported by OS/2 there should be no problem.  Pretty much any SCSI CDRW
should work.  You just need the SCSI adapter driver and an ASPI router
driver, plus software.

CDRecord/2 is free software, and works fine with SCSI CDRW's, although
it's not all that easy to use (command-line, although some crude PM
front ends are available).  Includes mkisofs and instructions for 
installing the ASPI router.

RSJ is basically your only other option (and your only option, period,
if you have an IDE CDRW).  It's supposed to be really nice, easy to
use, and powerful.  And also very expensive.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: howard.wong@card-plus-ca.com                      08-Nov-99 10:06:25
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: Howard Wong <howard.wong@card-plus-ca.com>

There is a very simple solution to what you want
to do: PowerQuest Corp.'s Partition Magic.

With Partition Magic, you can re-size any existing
partition on your drive, either expanding or
shrinking.  This is all done without having to
uninstall or re-install any thing.  Be sure to
make a back up of the drives that you are going to
change, not that the program may goof (it may, but
my experience so far is very positive) but from
electrical glitches etc. that may screw up your
file system.

After making enough room on your drive, assuming
you want to keep OS/2 on a C: drive, you can ask
Partition Magic to create a new primary partition
for PC DOS 7. In this way, you'll actually have
two C: drives, and Bootmanager will only activate
the one that you choose to boot into, and disable
the other.  The down side is one OS cannot see the
other partition.  Similar operations apply if you
want other arrangements, such as OS/2 on a D: in
an extended partition.

After you've created the new C:, run FDISK in OS/2
to add it to Bootmanager's list.  You don't have
to install PC DOS 7 before doing this.

While you're at it, you may want to consider
creating a extended partition for the data that
you want to share between the two OS's. The
logical drive contained in this partition will be
by default a FAT16 partition.  You can go further
by creating an HPFS logical partition for OS/2's
use to take advantage of the file system's
capability, but be sure it is put at the end of
the partition.  In this way, your FAT logic
partition's driver letter remain the same for both
OS's and will make life a lot easier.

I have used Partition Magic many times and it is
truly a labour saver.  With it, I have configured
my system to host DOS, Win 95, Warp 4, and soon
Linux on my primary drive, each in its own primary
partition, and, on the slave drive, Warp 3 in a
primary partition, and all application and data
files in logical drives in an extended partition.

As for assigning a specific drive letter to the
CD-ROM, I haven't done it but the only way that I
think can achieve that in Warp 4 is to go to the
Properties of the Drive folder, then go to the
Reserved tab, and mark out all the drive letters
listed there up to G.  That will force the OS to
use H as the CD-ROM's drive letter as it is the
first one that's available.  I didn't learn about
this until it's too late.  May I suggest you to go
further, and reserve all the drive letters up to,
say, Y, so your CD-ROM will be X:.  This gives
your system room to grow and flexibility to
rearrange your drive's structure in the future
without having to "bump" the drive letter of the
CD-ROM or whatever other non-HD devices that you
care to add in future, and therefore muck up all
references to the CD-ROM.

Hope this has helped.

Howard Wong

"Walter S. Rue" wrote:
> 
> The User's Guide says that PC DOS must be installed on C:, implying that
> I would have to reinstall OS/2 on some other partition first.
> 
> Is there some way I can set the (CD) install to use, say, H: instead?  I
> assume that the Bootmanager hookup would be no problem in any case.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Walter

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        08-Nov-99 15:11:15
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Re: Theta Band Software announces the distribution of MMPack through  M

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:32:45 +1300, Aaron Lawrence <aaronl@pec.co.nz> wrote:
> > Theta Band Software's Multimedia Pack for OS/2 is now available for
> > ordering through Mensys at http://www.mensys.nl .
> 
> I had a look at this, and it's cool, but the things in it aren't really
> compelling to me. There are more pressing problems with MMOS/2 such as the
> lack of much PCI soundcard support. IMHO.

My main issue with MMOS/2 is the broken mixer system.  If they could
fix that (REALLY fix it, not just work around it like aMixer et al),
I'd pay for it!  As it is, it causes me no end of frustration when all
the damn volume settings reset themselves after every event.

-- 
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 Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: rubbe@ibm.net                                     08-Nov-99 13:04:29
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop 1.0

From: Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net>

Of course, I want more details ...

Coud you explain how did you installed it ??

Thanks ...


Cassio R Pellegrim
CasRob@br.ibm.com





Bob Eager wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:29:09, Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there anybody that could run  PILOT DESKTOP 1.0 at WINOS2 ??
>
> I have been running it for about 2 years...on WIN32S 1.25....on
> WINOS2.
>
> Ask me if you'd like more details.
>
> --
> Bob Eager
> rde at tavi.co.uk
> PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
> 8580*6,
> 8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: reiknir@my-deja.com                               08-Nov-99 15:12:16
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

From: reiknir@my-deja.com

In article <38226a8d$0$97648@news.voyager.net>,
  fgearhart@voyager.net wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:33:19, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net
> (Raphael Tennenbaum) wrote:
>

>
> Really?  I've been running OD1.5 since it came out, and kinda
> suspected it caused some instability, but was never certain.
> Especially since I couldn't directly attribute any 'hangs' to OD.
> Does it really cause instability problems?  Is it better in OD2.0?
>
> Fritz
>
>
No, OD 2 is buggy as hell, I think 1,5 is better if anything (with the
fixpacks at the least).
There is definetly something wrong if your OS/2 system is unstable, I
run a few systems myself, there is quite a difference between protected
mode only and Winos2 enabled systems in stability but parts of that seem
to be drivers.
On my own home system has a 6 year old OS/2 setup on it, since I changed
it from a fullpack to a protected mode only some 3 years ago it has not
crashed and oddly enough all the problems that I attributed to the SIQ
dissapeared, note that I have swapped motherboards and HD at the least 6
times in that time (just copied the partitions). The only unstability I
get is that the WPS resets itself once or twice a month, but the
programs that are running are unaffected so this is more of an
annoyance than a problem.

I do take care in choosing components for this system though, especially
the cards (the motherboards and processor have caused no problems) and
update the drivers regularily.

There are also 2 OS/2 based servers here, one is an old v3 server and
the other is just Warp 3 pressed into service when I could not afford
another server license, these 2 are more stable than either the BSD
variants or Linux, in fact the only thing that is as good or better is
netware, the current trend away from these 2 workhorse OS's towards
Linux and NT, just makes me sick, especially since I have to maintain
the damn setups for my clients. Why people decide on an os first and
then talk to the techs continues to baffles me....

I also teach a few evening classes a month for a local linux school, if
someone out there thinks Linux script kiddies show a "grown up" attitude
or behaviour in any way, they obviusly have not met them :)

I do in fact I think all the deranged team os/2 members that used to go
Serdar Argic all ower the usenet some years back, are all linux users
now ;-)

Think Ill stay childish and continue using what works, Ill try BeOs as
soon as there is a torelable Modula/Oberon compiler for it
take care


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: michael.wagner@pcservices.at                      08-Nov-99 15:26:29
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: os/2 under linux, win9x or NT

From: "Michael Wagner" <michael.wagner@pcservices.at>

Hi folks,

is there a possibility to run os/2 appl (32Bit). under linux, win9x or NT.
-Because I have a very big customer who has to provide the possibility to
run win32 and os/2 appl. on the same machine.
-OS/2 as desktop platform is death! I have this info from IBM directly. I
think there must be a lot of another companies with the same problem

vmware dose not support os2 yet(if enough interested party are asking for
vmware will build in the os/2 support),
bochs doese also not support os2 (I've no statement from bochs at present).
.
is there something else?.








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From: larijani@arrow.utias.utoronto.ca                  08-Nov-99 16:00:16
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Re: GRADD:  was Re: warp 3 & 4 install

From: larijani@arrow.utias.utoronto.ca (Rambod Larijani)

Thanks for the explanation. Since I don't have a TV card
I think it would be OK to just use the regular driver instead.

Rambod


In article <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-xJvttHk6Tv48@tcpserver>,
   lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
>
>The GRADD model drivers support "GRADD extension drivers" that
>can implement special functionality that is not available in the
>standard driver or video card hardware. The Hauppauge Wincast/TV
>drivers have a GRADD extension driver VCAFILT that provides the 
>TV card with the capability of placing the digitized TV picture into 
>the
>video cards RAM and instructing the video driver to use that portion
>of RAM to draw the picture on the screen.
>
>The placing of the TV picture in the video card RAM is done
>by the TV card hardware and does not cost any (well very few)
>CPU cycles. The quality of the TV picture drawing is much better
>than that achieved using DIVE (DIrect Video Extensions) and
>unlike DIVE does not use 40 to 50% of the CPU on a Pentium 400
>processor.
>
>The GRADD extension driver will work with any video card
>supported by the main GRADD video driver as long as the
>card has enough RAM for the TV picture.
>
>The SDD/2 drivers are GRADD based and support a large
>number of video cards. I've used the SDD/2 driver with two
>cards (Matrox G400 and ATI 3D Rage IIC) and the Hauppauge
>VCAFILT driver.
>
>The technology would also be suited to providing low CPU overhead
>display of MPEG video given that MPEG decoder hardware
>is present that is capable of placing the decoder's digitized video
>output directly in the video card RAM. The RealMagic Hollwood
>MPEG DVD video decoders and the Creative Labs DXR2 and
>DXR3 DVD video decoders can only achieve equivalent low
>CPU usage under Win98 by using a hardware driven analog
>video overlay, where the cards block out a portion of the

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From: nospam@nospam.noway.com                           08-Nov-99 11:28:10
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Accounting application

From: "Roberto F. Salomon" <nospam@nospam.noway.com>

I am looking for an accounting application for a small/medium sized business.
 Does anyone know of a true OS/2 app to do the job?


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From: jstucklex@attglobal.net                           09-Nov-99 12:42:00
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 16:00:00
Subj: Re: VAC++ debugger storage monitor: how to search for specific data?

From: Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>

Arie,

Sorry, you can't search for specific data - I assume part of the reason
could be that memory is not necessarily contiguous in OS/2, even with
virtual addresses.

A trick I've used quite often is to set a pointer to the data I want to
monitor, then stop when the pointer is set.  This will give me the
address of the data, and I can then set a breakpoint on the change.

Arie Kazachin wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I'm attempting to run some program from the debugger found in
> VAC++ 3.0. In the "storage" monitor window, there is no option
> to search for a specific data, there is only address which I can
> enter for the window to scroll to. I need to find some known data
> (a string) and to set a breakpoint when it'll be changed. But I don't
> know, how to find an address of a known data: I can't find such a
> trivial option as "search for ..." that is found in many other debuggers.
> It's almost unthinkable that such a trivial option doesn't exists in
> VAC++ debugger. Maybe I'm missing something obvious?
> 
> THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP ! ! !
>
******************************************************************************
> *   Arie Kazachin, Israel, e-mail: ariek@attglobal3.14159265358979323846.net 
*
>
******************************************************************************
> NOTE: before replying, leave only letters in my domain-name. Sorry, SPAM
trap.

-- 

=======================================================
To reply, delete the "x" from my email address

Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
JDS Computer Training Corp.
Sun Certified Java Programmer
VisualAge/Java Certified Advanced Technical Expert
VisualAge/C++ Certified Developer

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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 09-Nov-99 09:13:05
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 16:00:00
Subj: Re: Linkwiz

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <3823d43c$1$qnir$mr2ice@read.news.global.net.uk>, on 11/06/99 
   at 07:03 AM, dave@david-lister.co.uk said:

>I have used it regularly since I went to OS/2 several years ago now and
>rely on it entirely since I transfer files between my desktop & notebook
>every day.  Generally, I find it OK, but it has problems - the main one
>being PCX themselves! Their support is, in my experience, non-existant.

In my experience, they were reasonably good, until they died.  They
maintained and updated the OS/2 version almost in parallel with the others
versions.  This is more than can be said for many other vendors.

>Anyway, the reason for my query now is that I have version 2.52 which
>dates back to 1996 and I don't think that it is Y2K compliant.  Lately
>I've tried to go to PCX's website and can't connect.  Does anyone know if
>they are still in business??  If not, does anyone have experience of a
>good alternative product?  I also used Linkright for a while but that
>died too!

I'm pretty sure they are gone.  2.52 is rather old.  The last release was
3.04 which corrected at lot of problems with 2.52, and introduced some new
ones. :(

Why do you think 2,52 is not Y2K compliant?  Have you tested it?

Steven

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Steven Levine <steve53removethis@earthlink.net>  MR2/ICE #10183 Warp4/FP11
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From: debu4335@dpnet.net                                09-Nov-99 13:41:04
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 16:00:00
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install--Still

From: Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>

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Satnam Singh wrote:

> If anyone cares to take a stab, below Mikes comments I've printed out my
Winos2
> fullscreen session settings, under which I've attempted to install Quicken
98.

Here's mine, under which Quicken98 works very well.

-- 
Mike DeBusk  ÿ  North East, Maryland USA  ÿ  Team OS/2
Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences
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p=WIN_DDE
t=5
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=WIN_CLIPBOARD
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v=1  On
d=1  On

p=WIN_ATM
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p=AUDIO_ADAPTER_SHARING
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p=DOS_LASTDRIVE
t=3
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d=1  On

p=DOS_RMSIZE
t=1
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p=DOS_SHELL
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p=DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE
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t=0
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t=1
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t=2
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t=2
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d=1  On

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t=2
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d=1  On

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t=2
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d=1  On

p=SIO_Mode_ODSR
t=2
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t=0
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t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=SIO_Virtualize_16550A
t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

p=SIO_Virtualize_COM_Ports
t=0
v=1  On
d=1  On

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t=0
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p=VIDEO_FASTPASTE
t=0
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p=VIDEO_MODE_RESTRICTION
t=2
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d=1  On

p=VIDEO_ONDEMAND_MEMORY
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From: debu4335@dpnet.net                                09-Nov-99 13:41:28
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 16:00:00
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install

From: Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>

Richard Steiner wrote:

> Huh...  I was active on ILink years ago as well (mainly in various
> shareware forums and places like TCS's SLiMeR support forum).
> 
> Good to see it still lives!  :-)

It'd be even more lively if you'd return. :)

-- 
Mike DeBusk  ÿ  North East, Maryland USA  ÿ  Team OS/2
Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences

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From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net                            09-Nov-99 19:04:15
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 16:00:00
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install--Still

From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net

In <38283DBC.95E7CC22@attglobal.net>, Satnam Singh <khalsa@attglobal.net>
writes:
>Tried the enhanced mode, maxed XMS.  Even tried going back to VGA wondering
if my
>Matrox 2.31 driver was tipping off Quicken as to the presence of OS/2.  No
help;
>still get "wrong windows version."
>
>If anyone cares to take a stab, below Mikes comments I've printed out my
Winos2
>fullscreen session settings, under which I've attempted to install Quicken
98.
>
>I'd appreciate any help.
>Satnam Singh
>
>"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:

<snipped>

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>t=5
>v=321  3.1 Enhanced Compatibility
>d=1  On
>
>p=WIN_DDE
>t=5
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=WIN_CLIPBOARD
>t=5
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=WIN_ATM
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=0  Off
>
>p=AUDIO_ADAPTER_SHARING
>t=2
>v=Required
>d=1  On
>
>p=DOS_AUTOEXEC
>t=3
>v=G:\DOSAUTOE.BAT
>d=0  Off
>
>p=DOS_BACKGROUND_EXECUTION
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=DOS_BREAK
>t=0
>v=0  Off
>d=1  On
>
>p=DOS_DEVICE
>t=4
>v=G:\TCPIP\BIN\VDOSTCP.SYS
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>
>p=DOS_FCBS
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>
>p=DOS_FCBS_KEEP
>t=1
>v=8
>d=1  On
>
>p=DOS_FILES
>t=1
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>
>p=DOS_HIGH
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>v=1  On
>d=0  Off
>
>p=DOS_LASTDRIVE
>t=3
>v=Z
>d=1  On
>
>p=DOS_RMSIZE
>t=1
>v=640
>d=1  On
>
>p=DOS_SHELL
>t=3
>v=G:\OS2\MDOS\COMMAND.COM G:\OS2\MDOS
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>
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>
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>
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>v=DFIA0MOD.SYS,3,40,255
>v=DXMA0MOD.SYS,3,40,255
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>v=IBMCACHE.COM,3,40,255
>v=IBMCACHE.SYS,3,40,255
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>v=ISAM2.EXE,3,40,255
>v=ISQL.EXE,3,40,255
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>v=NETX.EXE,5,00,255
>v=PSCPG.COM,3,40,255
>v=SAF.EXE,3,40,255
>v=WIN200.BIN,10,10,4
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>
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>t=2
>v=AUTO
>d=1  On
>
>p=DPMI_MEMORY_LIMIT
>t=1
>v=64
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>
>p=DPMI_NETWORK_BUFF_SIZE
>t=1
>v=8
>d=1  On
>
>p=EMS_FRAME_LOCATION
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>v=NONE
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>
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>
>p=EMS_LOW_OS_MAP_REGION
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>v=384
>d=1  On
>
>p=EMS_MEMORY_LIMIT
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>
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>
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>
>p=HW_TIMER
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>
>p=IDLE_SECONDS
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>d=1  On
>
>p=IDLE_SENSITIVITY
>t=1
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>
>p=INT_DURING_IO
>t=0
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>d=1  On
>
>p=KBD_ALTHOME_BYPASS
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>v=1  On
>d=0  Off
>
>p=KBD_BUFFER_EXTEND
>t=0
>v=1  On
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>
>p=KBD_CTRL_BYPASS
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>v=CTRL_ESC
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>
>p=KBD_RATE_LOCK
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>v=0  Off
>d=1  On
>
>p=MEM_EXCLUDE_REGIONS
>t=3
>v=
>d=1  On
>
>p=MEM_INCLUDE_REGIONS
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>
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>
>p=PRINT_SEPARATE_OUTPUT
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>d=1  On
>
>p=PRINT_TIMEOUT
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>
>p=SESSION_PRIORITY
>t=1
>v=1
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Allow_Access_COM1
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Allow_Access_COM2
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Allow_Access_COM3
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Allow_Access_COM4
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>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Idle_Sensitivity
>t=1
>v=100
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Mode_DTR
>t=2
>v=No Change at OPEN or CLOSE
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Mode_FIFO_Load_Count
>t=2
>v=16
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Mode_IDSR
>t=2
>v=Ignore DSR During Receive
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Mode_OCTS
>t=2
>v=HandShake Signal, as in RTS/CTS
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Mode_ODSR
>t=2
>v=Ignore DSR During Transmit
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Mode_RTS
>t=2
>v=HandShake Signal, as in RTS/CTS
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Mode_XON/XOFF
>t=2
>v=No XON/XOFF flow control by SIO
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Screen_Sync_Kludge
>t=0
>v=0  Off
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Share_Access_With_OS/2
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Virtualize_16550A
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=SIO_Virtualize_COM_Ports
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=VIDEO_8514A_XGA_IOTRAP
>t=0
>v=0  Off
>d=0  Off
>
>p=VIDEO_FASTPASTE
>t=0
>v=0  Off
>d=1  On
>
>p=VIDEO_MODE_RESTRICTION
>t=2
>v=NONE
>d=1  On
>
>p=VIDEO_ONDEMAND_MEMORY
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=VIDEO_RETRACE_EMULATION
>t=0
>v=0  Off
>d=1  On
>
>p=VIDEO_ROM_EMULATION
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=1  On
>
>p=VIDEO_SWITCH_NOTIFICATION
>t=0
>v=1  On
>d=0  Off
>
>p=VIDEO_WINDOW_REFRESH
>t=1
>v=1
>d=1  On
>
>p=XMS_HANDLES
>t=1
>v=32
>d=1  On
>
>p=XMS_MEMORY_LIMIT
>t=1
>v=16384
>d=0  Off
>
>p=XMS_MINIMUM_HMA
>t=1
>v=0
>d=1  On

Here are some of my settings which may be critical to the Quicken 
install program:

1) WIN_RUN_MODE                    3.1 ENHANCED
2) WIN_DDE                           OFF (this may not be critical, but it
                                             is a big CPU drain)
3) DOS_BACKGROUND_EXECUTION   OFF(this may not be critical, but it
                                             is a big cpu drain)
4) DOS_HIGH                          ON -this memory is needed for the
                                              program
5) DOS_UMB                           OFF -this lets the program use the UMB
6) DPMI_MEMORY_LIMIT              128 - 64 is OK for many programs,
                                                but some require more
7) DOS_FILES                         50  - your 30 is way too low, and
                                               may be what's holding up the
                                               install.

I don't kknow if this will help, but you might to check these settings 
for the WINOS2 command prompt, which is where you will have to
go to start the Quicken install.

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Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
Plymouth, MN
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From: as@sci.fi                                         09-Nov-99 20:50:18
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:14
Subj: Re: Squid WWW Cache

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:

> 	How do you set this up to work with Internet Junkbuster under 
> Netscape?

I had

cache_peer localhost parent 8000 8000 no-query default

in squid.conf. Junkbuster in port 8000. Unfortunately, it seemed that
squid didn't cache everything, so I moved on to Smart Cache
instead. It has blocking too.

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net                            09-Nov-99 19:16:10
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:14
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install--Still

From: jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net

In <38283DBC.95E7CC22@attglobal.net>, Satnam Singh <khalsa@attglobal.net>
writes:
>Tried the enhanced mode, maxed XMS.  Even tried going back to VGA wondering
if my
>Matrox 2.31 driver was tipping off Quicken as to the presence of OS/2.  No
help;
>still get "wrong windows version."
>
>If anyone cares to take a stab, below Mikes comments I've printed out my
Winos2
>fullscreen session settings, under which I've attempted to install Quicken
98.
>
>I'd appreciate any help.
>Satnam Singh

Have you checked the CD to be sure the v3.1 files and installer are there?

I purchased a Quicken 97 CD at a local show, and it must have been
a knockoff, because although it said it included the WIN 3.1 files,
I  could not find them, and it also would not install.  IIRC the error
messages were similar to the ones being posted here.

After I purchased Quicken 98 directly from Intuit, my troubles went
away.

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Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
Plymouth, MN
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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    09-Nov-99 19:41:21
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:14
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop 1.0

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:44:44, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net 
(Raphael Tennenbaum) wrote:

> Haven't got the Palm yet, but I'd be interested.  Why not
> post'em here?

I didn't think there'd be that much interest! 

I think I'll put them on a webpage and post a pointer....may be a day 
or two though.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: dave@david-lister.co.uk                           09-Nov-99 20:54:11
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:14
Subj: Re: Linkwiz

From: dave@david-lister.co.uk

In <38285c49$1$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.earthlink.net>, on 11/09/99 
   at 09:13 AM, steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net said:

>In <3823d43c$1$qnir$mr2ice@read.news.global.net.uk>, on 11/06/99 
>   at 07:03 AM, dave@david-lister.co.uk said:

>>I have used it regularly since I went to OS/2 several years ago now and
>>rely on it entirely since I transfer files between my desktop & notebook
>>every day.  Generally, I find it OK, but it has problems - the main one
>>being PCX themselves! Their support is, in my experience, non-existant.

>In my experience, they were reasonably good, until they died.  They
>maintained and updated the OS/2 version almost in parallel with the
>others versions.  This is more than can be said for many other vendors.

Perhaps I was unlucky! I had (and still have) problems whereby files in
certain sub-directories would get missed when synchronising & I had (have)
to re-run the operation, some times 3 or 4 times, to make sure every
updated file is transferred.  I think I was trying to sort this out when
they had staff problems since I would explain my problems to one guy to
discover he had moved on - so I went through it again and the same thing
happened!! I gave up in the end and now live with it.

>>Anyway, the reason for my query now is that I have version 2.52 which
>>dates back to 1996 and I don't think that it is Y2K compliant.  Lately
>>I've tried to go to PCX's website and can't connect.  Does anyone know if
>>they are still in business??  If not, does anyone have experience of a
>>good alternative product?  I also used Linkright for a while but that
>>died too!

>I'm pretty sure they are gone.  2.52 is rather old.  The last release was
>3.04 which corrected at lot of problems with 2.52, and introduced some
>new ones. :(

Perhaps I'm better off with the version I've got!! :)  I had come to the
conclusion that they are not around anymore too.

>Why do you think 2,52 is not Y2K compliant?  Have you tested it?

Well, what made me concerned was that I changed the date of a file I
intended to transfer to my notebook to 5 November 2000 and it displayed in
Linkwiz as 05-11-100.  However, it did put it to the top (or bottom) of
the list when sorted by date. At that point I stopped & didn't send it
across to the notebook to see how other programs saw the date.  I will try
that - perhaps it's OK.  

Dave
---------------------------------------------------------
dave@david-lister.co.uk                                    

David Lister Accountancy Services
http://www.david-lister.co.uk
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From: mr_ace@gmx.de                                     09-Nov-99 21:25:16
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: EmTec Network Suite FTP

From: mr_ace@gmx.de

Hi!

I have problems with the EmTec Network Suite FTP-Client.
I can't access a server through a squid-proxy, although you can configure one
in the program's configuration dialog.
I always get the message "No Information Loaded or Inaccessible directory".
When I don't use the proxy, it works all right. I have to use the proxy
though,
to access servers outside the firewall...

Anyone tested this or found a solution??

Thanks in advance!

Andi

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               09-Nov-99 16:53:13
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:58:35 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:

>In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkuxe56.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
>nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:50:03 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>>
>
>Diskeeper is free.
>

You are paying for it through the nose with each M$ app you buy. Any ways
HPFS is free in my case of any type of maintenance or virus utility. If it is
taking your time to use it, or install it, it is not free.

>>you pay through the nose just to buy NT.
>
>I payed $129 for the OS/2 upgrade in 1996. I payed $72 for NT 4.0 Full blown
in 
>August 1997. The upgrade to Win2000 from NT will be $149.

Pretty hefty fee for an upgrade that you are forced to do just because of the
millenium. M$ sure has soaked in users for a lot of upgrades in the past 10
years. OS/2 has only needed 3 versions.

>
>You don't appear to know very much. I'll help you.
>
>
>No, you just don't know about the software choice subscription of IBM. You
will 
>learn when the next version of Java for OS/2 comes out because starting in 
>January, it is $200.

Show me proof.
>
>You are sure out of the loop.

You might say that, but I am not chasing Bill Gates constantly trying to line
his upgrade products.
>
>>
>>Well here is the link: http://www.epox.com/support/bulletins/t-23.html
>
>And here is the text "Some EPoX motherboards using the VIA MVP3 chipset may 
>suffer from some stability issues with Matrox AGP video cards using the G200 
>video chipset. It will be necessary for the Matrox G200 AGP video cardÊs BIOS 

>to be updated to atleast VGA/VBE BIOS version 1.3 revision 0.11 and the
drivers 
>for Windows 95/98 to be upgraded to atleast revision 4.21.009. The new
updated 
>BIOS and drivers for the Matrox G200 AGP card can be downloaded from the
Matrox 
>Website here: "
>
>According to this, the bios and Matrox drivers are at fault. Clearly, you 
>insistence to blame Windows when even your motherboard maker says the bios
and 
>Matrox's drivers are at fault show that you are inot interested in finding
the 
>real cause of your problems.

I have tried this and it failed still, with a corrupted desktop, and some
times crashing before the desktop even got loaded. I can see windoze user
will need Scietech as well to fix all the OS bugs. No support for the G200 in
windoze yet but I will try it when it comes out.

>
>>Now, if I am having a problem in OS/2 I can boot another OS to see if it
>>continues, if it does, it is a hardware problem. If the problem goes away,
it
>>is a software problem. The problem with the G200 and the Via chipset is a
>>windoze 9x problem. Their is no problem with Dos, win3.1, OS/2 ver 3 or 4 in
>>my box. So keep on blaming the hardware, it will never change the fact that
>>windoze is not as compatible as you think.
>
>N, it is a bios and Matrox driver problem. The link YOU provided says so. It 
>seems that once again, you are mistaken.
>
>Don't you ever grow tired of this?
>

My bios is at 1.5, the latest driver is at 4.23, and still problems, but only
in win9X.
>
>>>
>>
>>I have never needed any of those utilities, so it does not apply to me, it
is
>>just a bad old habit the people have picked up from using MS Dos. Most OS/2
>>users really do not need these utilities that are more important to virus
>>prone Dos, and bad fragmenting, cross linking, allocation error prone MS
file
>>systems.
>
>Unless you are not using OS/2, it does apply to you. Else, since copies of 
>Grahm, Gammatech, and IBM anti-virus were sold, you must feel that OS/2 users 

>are idiots for buying software they don't need.

No, when I first tried OS/2 I wondered why IBM did not supply Anti Virus and
a Defragger like they did with PC Dos? Because you really don't need it. It
is just an old habit to Dos - OS/2 converts. My OS/2 installation is over 2
years old and has never been defragged. It is running 24/7 just because I
don't like to wait for a boot up.

>
>I've got news for you, DOS viruses can affect OS/2 through DOS VDMs and HPFS 
>can fragment. All filesystems can fragment.
>

A dos virus would cause a protection error and the application would be
terminated before any damage was done. I know OS/2 fragments, but with little
problem, unlike NTFS and all those primitive varieties of Fat, the fragment
like hell in only a few hours use, not to mention crosslinked files and lots
of lost files. I think M$ was really stupid to drop HPFS, don't you agree?
>
>>> You don't find any process killers for Windows, you now.
>>
>>Not you don't. That is why reset buttons were put on the front of PCs with
>>the introduction of windoze95.
>
>Silly boy. I've got a 486 from 1994 that was out before Windows 95 that has a 

>reset buttons. Reset buttons were out on 386s.

Silly boy? Is that out of a fairy tale or one of your Ominar delusions. In
any event that reset button was put their as an M$ process killer.
>
>>
>>Scietech exploits the cards much better than OEM drivers, on any platform
>>that is not a Kenmore consumer quality designed for idiots OS. Only the real
>>Oses are lacking driver support. Wintendo has it all.
>
>Scitech sells software to people with old video cards, a market that clearly 
>includes OS/2. New cards have no need for them. Even Linux has dual-monitor 
>support for the G400. Only poor OS/2 is on the outside looking in.
>

Linux is the only real thorn that Bill has in his side right now as well.
That is an OS that made it to the top with total reliability and merit. There
was no anticompetitive practices used to put Linux where it is today. OS/2's
biggest problem was Win-OS/2, as well as what PC manufacturer would want to
use their competitors OS for no mater how good it was, while Bill was
monopolizing the market. Another reason why I would not buy M$ software, I
hate monopolies.
>>>
>>
>>Why should I waste an hour defragging my hard drive, plus all the time
wasted
>>loading files before I get time to defrag it?
>
>Beats me. If I need to defrag, I'll set it for 4:00 am in the morning when I 
>sleeping. 
>

Yes and the first minute you make that hard drive rattle, it gets slower and
slower...........
>>>
>>
>>Well I don't support monopolies that try and force stuff up my ass either.
>>
>
>Nope, you just support IBM, who quietly slips their stuff up your ass. Makes
it 
>seem more like your idea.
>

Huh?? Is that all you can say, because you were forced to go with M$. One sad
Ominar you are.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               09-Nov-99 16:59:02
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 07:57:01 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

>On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:37:09, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> a Úcrit dans 
>un message:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:28:55 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:
>> 
>> >[Now, see, if ProNews came back alive we could get one more filter field, 
>> >to allow us to block any article containing one of the unspeakable strings 

>> >anywhere in the body.]
>> 
>> Now you just gave McCoy some bait to bash OS/2 for lack of application
>> support;-)
>> 
>> Robert Donnelly (Are we related?)
>
>Aren't all Irish related?
>
>
>--
>
>Good luck,

OH shit! McCoy sounds Irish;-)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: cfrank@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                      09-Nov-99 22:35:17
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: Winzip selfextracting file unzip under OS/2?

From: cfrank@rumms.uni-mannheim.de (Carsten Frank)

Is there any war to unzip a file which is zipped with winzip 
selfextracting method. It is a exe file and I dont want to start 
windoof to unzip this file. It is a exe file

Tanks

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                08-Nov-99 20:24:03
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: Re: CD-RW for OS2

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <807g6o$c7m$1@news.panix.com>,
rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:
>Jerry McBride <mcbrides@erols.com> writes:
>>
>> Right off the bat... the 6416 runs just fine under all versions of OS/2
with
>> the exception of... there have been posts to the effect that the 6416 is
not
>> able to cda with certain software...  Why? I have no idea as I don't own
one.
>
>That was me. It works fine with cdda2wav from the cdrecord package, but
>that seems to be the only one.
>
>There seems to be a bug in cdda2wav, but it's minor. If you try to rip a
>number of tracks, say 2-5, and track 5 is longer than track 4, then track
>5 will be truncated to the length of track 4. There is no problem in
>single-track ripping.
>

YIPES! You're right! I was playing with cdda2wav last night and I kept getting
a short wav file when ripped in batch mode. However ripping it by-it's-self
would yield a full length wav! Wow! That one was driving me nuts!

Also, cdda2wav could use a little attention to it's jitter routine as it does
not always work really well...

Also, the -n switch simply fails to work! I can't reset the buffer to more
than
the default.

Hmmm... a little more documentation would be nice too... :')


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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                09-Nov-99 22:53:05
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:08:59, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
wrote:

> Ominor doesn't support inferior operating systems. NT has, in Ominor's
opinion, 
> passed NT by.

> David H. McCoy

Yeah, that makes sense. Ominor should have himself checked.

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               09-Nov-99 22:54:29
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: Re: Smack,  CM2 won't run

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:55:00, mikelrob@flash.net (Michael Robertson) 
wrote:

|         I thought perhaps I had lost REXX somehow so I reinstalled it but it 

| makes no difference.  The program terminates immediately.  I can't 
| recall how I registered Smack and I have no idea how to get any 
| technical support.  Perfectniche.com just has sales stuff.

I believe that you can reach Technical Support at 
techsupport@perfectniche.com or support@perfectniche.com; I can't 
recall which of those is the ID that Mike uses. Or you can call 
480/945-2001 and punch the appropriate number for tech support. This 
information ought to be in your manual, though I'm given to understand
that some of the digital-delivery-only manuals (in PDF format) left 
out those pages.

However, if *two* apps quit running at the same time, I doubt it's an 
application problem. Somewhere in there, you _must_ have changed 
something. Have you double checked your PATH and LIBPATH statements in
the config.sys, and stuff like that? 

--Esther

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    09-Nov-99 23:00:01
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: Re: Winzip selfextracting file unzip under OS/2?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Carsten Frank (cfrank@rumms.uni-mannheim.de) wrote:
: Is there any war to unzip a file which is zipped with winzip 
: selfextracting method. It is a exe file and I dont want to start 
: windoof to unzip this file. It is a exe file

	Yeah..."unzip.exe winzippedfile.exe"


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    09-Nov-99 23:01:01
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Hal Murray (hjmurray@home.com) wrote:

:  I tried Partition Magic 4 on my OS/2 drive and it destroyed my
: extended partition. So I went back to Partition Magic 3 text version.

: I don't expect they addresses the Os/2 incompatibility in Version 5.

	You better hope they do Hal since PM3 will not work above 8.4 GB.


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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            09-Nov-99 17:25:00
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Pilot Desktop

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

I inadvertently deleted the discussion on the Pilot Desktop.  If this is
for the Palm Pilot, I'm interested in hearing more.

What was the discussion about?



--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 31 Processes with 125 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 3d 1h 52m 43s 796ms.


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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            09-Nov-99 19:02:05
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkyaeh4.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 07:57:01 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:37:09, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> a =82crit =
>dans 
>>un message:
>>
>>> On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:28:55 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:
>>> 
>>> >[Now, see, if ProNews came back alive we could get one more filter f=
>ield, 
>>> >to allow us to block any article containing one of the unspeakable s=
>trings 
>>> >anywhere in the body.]
>>> 
>>> Now you just gave McCoy some bait to bash OS/2 for lack of applicatio=
>n
>>> support;-)
>>> 
>>> Robert Donnelly (Are we related?)
>>
>>Aren't all Irish related?
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Good luck,
>
>OH shit! McCoy sounds Irish;-)
>

Don't worry. I'm not Irish. I'm black, but you should see the Irish-bashing 
email Bob Germer sent me foolishly thinking that I was Irish.

-- 
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David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            09-Nov-99 19:02:26
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <3827e539$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, letoured@nospam.net 
says...
>
>
>McCoy were you born an asshole or is it something you acquired?
>
>
>
>_____________
>Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
>
>

I learned it from your mother. She would say hi but her mouth is full.

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            09-Nov-99 19:09:02
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkya533.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
nospam_evr@spam.net says...
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:58:35 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>>In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkuxe56.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
>>nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>>>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:50:03 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>>>
>>
>>Diskeeper is free.
>>

>You are paying for it through the nose with each M$ app you buy. 

Really? Since you know what I've paid for each MS app I've purchased, and seem 

to delight in being proven wrong time and time again, tell me how I've paid 
"through the nose".

>Any ways
>HPFS is free in my case of any type of maintenance or virus utility. If =
>it is taking your time to use it, or install it, it is not free.

No, it is not. The very of existence of Grahm and Gammetech proves your words 
false as does the existence of OS/2-based anti-virus programs.

>>>you pay through the nose just to buy NT.
>>
>>I payed $129 for the OS/2 upgrade in 1996. I payed $72 for NT 4.0 Full blown 
in 
>>August 1997. The upgrade to Win2000 from NT will be $149.

>Pretty hefty fee for an upgrade that you are forced to do just because of the
>millenium. M$ sure has soaked in users for a lot of upgrades in the past 10
>years. OS/2 has only needed 3 versions.


>>You don't appear to know very much. I'll help you.
>>No, you just don't know about the software choice subscription of IBM. =
>>You will learn when the next version of Java for OS/2 comes out because
starting=
>>in January, it is $200.

>Show me proof.



We are done. I don't mind chatting, but since you clearly don't know what you 
are talking about, I see no reason to continue.

OS/2 has had versions 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 2.0, 2.1, 2.11, 3.0 and 4.0. Not three 
versions.

As for the software subscriptions, that just look up the URL in Dejanews.

Again, I don't mind debating, but I don't waste my time corresponding with the 

ignorant.

Bye.

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: khalsa@attglobal.net                              09-Nov-99 19:01:27
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 won't install--Still

From: Satnam Singh <khalsa@attglobal.net>

Ooohh!  This gives rise to some concern.  I purchased it at an eBay auction. 
Label
does say Windows 95, 3.1 or NT 4 (it has a fancy white and blue label with the 
red
"Quicken", part no. and copyright insignia) but did not come with any other
material.
I didn't find anything that jumps out at me like instl16.exe or setup31.exe
but
figured the install program autodetects (which some recent software packages
seem to
be able to do).

How do I ID the v3.1 files and installer.  My CD's directory tree:
Autorun
Disk1
      DLXSetup
Disk2
  thru
Disk12
IE
     WIN31
          Disk1
            thru
          Disk3
     Win95 NT

The Win31 subdirectory under IE appears to be MS Internet Explorer install
only.  Have
I missed the boat?  Do I have a bogus copy?  Thanks to all for your comments
to date.
Satnam

jspringf@xxxpro-ns.net wrote:

> In <38283DBC.95E7CC22@attglobal.net>, Satnam Singh <khalsa@attglobal.net>
writes:
> >Tried the enhanced mode, maxed XMS.  Even tried going back to VGA wondering 
if my
> >Matrox 2.31 driver was tipping off Quicken as to the presence of OS/2.  No
help;
> >still get "wrong windows version."
> >
> >If anyone cares to take a stab, below Mikes comments I've printed out my
Winos2
> >fullscreen session settings, under which I've attempted to install Quicken
98.
> >
> >I'd appreciate any help.
> >Satnam Singh
>
> Have you checked the CD to be sure the v3.1 files and installer are there?
>
> I purchased a Quicken 97 CD at a local show, and it must have been
> a knockoff, because although it said it included the WIN 3.1 files,
> I  could not find them, and it also would not install.  IIRC the error
> messages were similar to the ones being posted here.
>
> After I purchased Quicken 98 directly from Intuit, my troubles went
> away.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
> Plymouth, MN
> -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               09-Nov-99 19:30:23
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:09:04 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:

>>>Diskeeper is free.
>>>
>
>>You are paying for it through the nose with each M$ app you buy. 
>
>Really? Since you know what I've paid for each MS app I've purchased, and
seem 
>to delight in being proven wrong time and time again, tell me how I've paid 
>"through the nose".

I have seen NT for hundreds of dollars, and what about M$ office? Every time
you or anybody else buys an M$ app they are subsidizing ?free? Diskeeper.
>
>>Any ways
>>HPFS is free in my case of any type of maintenance or virus utility. If =
>>it is taking your time to use it, or install it, it is not free.
>
>No, it is not. The very of existence of Grahm and Gammetech proves your words 

>false as does the existence of OS/2-based anti-virus programs.
>

And just the existence of 100,s of First Aid utilities for windoze proves it
really sucks and needs more help than all the First Aid ISV's can give
it.<VBG>;-)

>>>>you pay through the nose just to buy NT.
>>>
>>>I payed $129 for the OS/2 upgrade in 1996. I payed $72 for NT 4.0 Full
blown in 
>>>August 1997. The upgrade to Win2000 from NT will be $149.
>
>>Pretty hefty fee for an upgrade that you are forced to do just because of
the
>>millenium. M$ sure has soaked in users for a lot of upgrades in the past 10
>>years. OS/2 has only needed 3 versions.
>
>>>You don't appear to know very much. I'll help you.
>>>No, you just don't know about the software choice subscription of IBM. =
>>>You will learn when the next version of Java for OS/2 comes out because
starting=
>>>in January, it is $200.

>
>>Show me proof.

McCoys reply = nothing;-)

>
>
>
>We are done. I don't mind chatting, but since you clearly don't know what you 

>are talking about, I see no reason to continue.
>
>OS/2 has had versions 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 2.0, 2.1, 2.11, 3.0 and 4.0. Not three 
>versions.

How many in the past ten years of the 90's?

>
>As for the software subscriptions, that just look up the URL in Dejanews.
>

Why do I have to search for your so called facts? Because they are false, or
just another bad McCoy guess?

>Again, I don't mind debating, but I don't waste my time corresponding with
the 
>ignorant.

So go to the windoze groups where you will be appreciated. The day you
deleted your OS/2 partition is the day you should have hit the os2
unsubscribe button.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: jbaker@infoave.net                                09-Nov-99 19:32:04
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: NETSCAPE Synchronize Traps

From: John P Baker <jbaker@infoave.net>

Hi

I have NETSCAPE Communicator 4.61 (128-Bit Version).  Periodically, I am

receiving a trap while attempting to synchronize my PC with the news
group
server.  The trap information contained in POPUPLOG.OS2 is as follows:

11-09-1999  19:26:03  SYS3175  PID 00b2  TID 0001  Slot 0066
E:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
c0000005
0043480a
P1=00000001  P2=00000021  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
EAX=00000001  EBX=00000001  ECX=00000000  EDX=00000001
ESI=00000000  EDI=007c605c
DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=1fffffff
ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=1fffffff
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=09ab  GSACC=10f3  GSLIM=00003fff
CS:EIP=005b:0043480a  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
SS:ESP=0053:007c6024  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=1fffffff
EBP=007c607c  FLG=00012246

NETSCAPE.EXE 0001:0042480a

Has anyone else seen this problem ?  Is there a fix ?

John P Baker

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               09-Nov-99 19:35:15
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

I noticed you did some heavy snipping on this relpy?
Must of been a lot of stuff you did not want to answer, or could not answer
with out admitting M$ really actually does suck;-)

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:09:04 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:

>In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkya533.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
>nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:58:35 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>>>In article <abfcnzriefcnzarg.fkuxe56.pminews@news1.attglobal.net>, 
>>>nospam_evr@spam.net says...
>>>>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:50:03 -0500, David H. McCoy wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>Diskeeper is free.
>>>
>
>>You are paying for it through the nose with each M$ app you buy. 
>
>Really? Since you know what I've paid for each MS app I've purchased, and
seem 
>to delight in being proven wrong time and time again, tell me how I've paid 
>"through the nose".
>
>>Any ways
>>HPFS is free in my case of any type of maintenance or virus utility. If =
>>it is taking your time to use it, or install it, it is not free.
>
>No, it is not. The very of existence of Grahm and Gammetech proves your words 

>false as does the existence of OS/2-based anti-virus programs.
>
>>>>you pay through the nose just to buy NT.
>>>
>>>I payed $129 for the OS/2 upgrade in 1996. I payed $72 for NT 4.0 Full
blown in 
>>>August 1997. The upgrade to Win2000 from NT will be $149.
>
>>Pretty hefty fee for an upgrade that you are forced to do just because of
the
>>millenium. M$ sure has soaked in users for a lot of upgrades in the past 10
>>years. OS/2 has only needed 3 versions.
>
>
>>>You don't appear to know very much. I'll help you.
>>>No, you just don't know about the software choice subscription of IBM. =
>>>You will learn when the next version of Java for OS/2 comes out because
starting=
>>>in January, it is $200.
>
>>Show me proof.
>
>
>
>We are done. I don't mind chatting, but since you clearly don't know what you 

>are talking about, I see no reason to continue.
>
>OS/2 has had versions 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 2.0, 2.1, 2.11, 3.0 and 4.0. Not three 
>versions.
>
>As for the software subscriptions, that just look up the URL in Dejanews.
>
>Again, I don't mind debating, but I don't waste my time corresponding with
the 
>ignorant.
>
>Bye.
>
>-- 
>---------------------------------------
>David H. McCoy
>dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
>---------------------------------------



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              10-Nov-99 01:17:01
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:17
Subj: Fastback

From: alan@min.net.notspam

Anyone know if Fastback 1.02 is Y2K compliant?  It's old, but it's always
worked for me.


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From: JSeder-nospam@syntel.com                          09-Nov-99 17:25:26
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:17
Subj: Re: WordPro prints envelopes wrong.  Can you help?

From: Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com>

> How can I get WordPro to print an envelope correctly?  ...
> The only thing that seems unusual is that I must physically insert the
envelope
> almost 2 inches into the printer's envelope feed.  Otherwise, it pulls a
sheet of
> paper and prints the address on that.  It seems to me that the printer
should
> have the capability to pull an envelope without manually stuffing one down
> its throat.  But that's the only thing that's unusual.

The envelope feed problem is a hardware problem with the printer.  It
has nothing at all to do with software.

Assuming everything else is right, to get the fields in the right place
on the envelope, you can edit default.mwp, create an envelope, select
the "Page Setup" button, and move the frames around until the envelope
prints correctly.  Back up default.mwp first.

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From: JSeder-nospam@syntel.com                          09-Nov-99 17:27:26
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:17
Subj: Re: Problem with 123 from Smartsuite 1.1

From: Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com>

> Since doing the upgrade, I have been unable to run Lotus 123. The program
> starts load and brings up the dialog box to select a worksheet to open, but
> as soon as I select a sheet, it produces the following error:
> 
>    Unexpected OLE error occured. OLE error: 8007000a

You might check the README.TXT file that came with SmartSuite.  In
particular, consider the following paragraph:

1. The SET SOMIR= statement must NOT reference any *.IR files that
   do not exist and must not contain any extra or any missing
   semicolons. If any *.IR files are referenced that do not exist or
   if you have any syntax errors in the SET SOMIR= statement prior to
   the LTOLSO20.IR file name, you will most likely see an OLE or
   other error message, or the product will fail to launch without
   giving any error. Check your SET SOMIR= statement and verify
   that there are no syntax problems (such as double semicolons),
   and that all of the *.IR files referenced in the statement
   do exist, and that the statement hasn't been cut off (with
   a carriage break) by editing the CONFIG.SYS file using an
   editor that wraps lines at 256 characters.

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From: mckinnis@attglobal.net                            09-Nov-99 18:47:24
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:17
Subj: Re: &emdash; vs. NS4.61

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@attglobal.net>

Thanks you, Jeffrey (your fingers won't work as well either as you get
older).

"Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote:
> 
> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> 
> > Jeffery, thanks for the resource pointer, but where are codes 128-159?
> 
> You're welcome, and it's "Jeffrey"... or just Jeff.  :)
> 
> As for the "missing" codes, look at the main document at
> that same website for an explanation:
> 
> http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/charset
> 
> "ISO-8859-1 explicitly does not define displayable characters
> for positions 0-31 and 127-159, and the HTML standard does
> not allow those to be used for displayable characters. The
> only characters in this range that are used are 9, 10 and 13,
> which are tab, newline and carriage return respectively. If
> you attempt to display these invalid characters on your own
> system, you may find some characters displayed there, but
> please do not assume that other users will see the same
> thing (or even anything at all) on their systems."
> 
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: mckinnis@attglobal.net                            09-Nov-99 18:48:00
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:17
Subj: Re: &emdash; vs. NS4.61

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@attglobal.net>

Thank you, Jeffrey (your fingers won't work as well either as you get
older).

"Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote:
> 
> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> 
> > Jeffery, thanks for the resource pointer, but where are codes 128-159?
> 
> You're welcome, and it's "Jeffrey"... or just Jeff.  :)
> 
> As for the "missing" codes, look at the main document at
> that same website for an explanation:
> 
> http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/charset
> 
> "ISO-8859-1 explicitly does not define displayable characters
> for positions 0-31 and 127-159, and the HTML standard does
> not allow those to be used for displayable characters. The
> only characters in this range that are used are 9, 10 and 13,
> which are tab, newline and carriage return respectively. If
> you attempt to display these invalid characters on your own
> system, you may find some characters displayed there, but
> please do not assume that other users will see the same
> thing (or even anything at all) on their systems."
> 
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com                            10-Nov-99 02:30:29
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:17
Subj: Re: Microtek ScanMaker 330 works in OS/2 via CFM Twain full release.

From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider)

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:30:50, matinee@cix.co.uk (Peter Kay) wrote:
> As per subject. It's never been completely obvious by reading the 
> newsgroups.
> 
> With the demo it doesnt work, with the release it does, with no 
> changes required.
> 
Is the E3+ (not the E3) supported now?

Lee W. Riemenschneider 
Die Hard Purdue Fan!
OS/2 User and Supporter 

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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   10-Nov-99 02:15:18
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: Linkwiz

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


dave@david-lister.co.uk wrote:
> 
> In <38285c49$1$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.earthlink.net>, on 11/09/99
>    at 09:13 AM, steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net said:
> 
> >In <3823d43c$1$qnir$mr2ice@read.news.global.net.uk>, on 11/06/99
> >   at 07:03 AM, dave@david-lister.co.uk said:
[....]
> >>they are still in business??  If not, does anyone have experience of a
> >>good alternative product?  I also used Linkright for a while but that

As for an alternative you may use peer networking over parallelport .
Assumed you have Warp 4 or Warp 3 Connect the required software components
(MPTS & Peer) are already on your system.
I had done this until I setup a TokenRing. It was not fast but sufficient
for copying files.
 
[....]
> 
> Dave
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> dave@david-lister.co.uk
> 
> David Lister Accountancy Services
> http://www.david-lister.co.uk
> -------------------------------------------------------------


Bye/2
Meinolf

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From: nenad@my-deja.com                                 10-Nov-99 03:43:26
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: Winzip selfextracting file unzip under OS/2?

From: Nenad Milenkovic <nenad@my-deja.com>

  cfrank@rumms.uni-mannheim.de (Carsten Frank) wrote:

> Is there any war to unzip a file which is zipped with winzip
> selfextracting method. It is a exe file and I dont want to start
> windoof to unzip this file. It is a exe file

You can unzip them as any other ZIP file, or you can use them
with Odin as WinZip works in it (self-extract works without
problems, as it's a very simple application).

Nenad


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: swanee@pillarsoft.net                             09-Nov-99 22:28:14
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: Winzip selfextracting file unzip under OS/2?

From: Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net>

Carsten Frank wrote:
> 
> Is there any war to unzip a file which is zipped with winzip
> selfextracting method. It is a exe file and I dont want to start
> windoof to unzip this file. It is a exe file

Try WarpZip Carsten.

Wayne Swanson
------------------------------------------------------------
email: swanee@pillarsoft.net
PillarSoft: http://www.pillarsoft.net
Developers of: WarpZip, DeskTop Backup (DTB), SFX Installer
               ShowTime/2 and the Enhanced E Editors
Vice President: VOICE (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education)
VOICE: http://www.os2voice.org
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From: letoured@nospam.net                               09-Nov-99 22:32:16
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: letoured@nospam.net

David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:

>letoured@nospam.net  says...
>>
>>McCoy were you born an asshole or is it something you acquired?
>>
>I learned it from your mother. She would say hi but her mouth is full.


Your response proves my basic point -- You are an Asshole! 


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: nenad@my-deja.com                                 10-Nov-99 03:48:29
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Nenad Milenkovic <nenad@my-deja.com>

I've just found out this, I don't know if it's OS/2
version specific, but it looks like it is.

When you open "About Communicator" page and click on Netscape
logo, you'll end up with the page listing OS/2 Comm/2
development team. One click on the page will line upp all
names for start, and double click will begin the race...
During the race, current leader is announced in status bar,
and finally a winner is declared.

Useless but interesting. :)

Nenad


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Before you buy.

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From: mikelrob@flash.net                                10-Nov-99 04:51:05
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: Smack,  CM2 won't run

From: mikelrob@flash.net (Michael Robertson)

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:54:59, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) 
wrote:

> 
> I believe that you can reach Technical Support at 
> techsupport@perfectniche.com or support@perfectniche.com; I can't 
> recall which of those is the ID that Mike uses. Or you can call 
> 480/945-2001 and punch the appropriate number for tech support. This 
> information ought to be in your manual, though I'm given to understand
> that some of the digital-delivery-only manuals (in PDF format) left 
> out those pages.
> 
> However, if *two* apps quit running at the same time, I doubt it's an 
> application problem. Somewhere in there, you _must_ have changed 
> something. Have you double checked your PATH and LIBPATH statements in
> the config.sys, and stuff like that? 
> 
> --Esther

	Thanks for the info Esther.  Those pages were not included in the pdf
manual that I got with the downloaded version so I much appreciate it.
 I don't know what I'd check in my config.sys since, as far as I know,
the REXX files are in the OS/2 directory.  I did try reinstalling REXX
but no joy there.

	Michael

***Live simply, that others may simply live.***

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From: nenad@my-deja.com                                 10-Nov-99 04:12:00
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: os/2 under linux, win9x or NT

From: Nenad Milenkovic <nenad@my-deja.com>

In article <942067291.278707@daeumling.is-europe.at>,
  "Michael Wagner" <michael.wagner@pcservices.at> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> is there a possibility to run os/2 appl (32Bit). under linux,
> win9x or NT.

No.

> -Because I have a very big customer who has to provide the
> possibility to run win32 and os/2 appl. on the same machine.

The only way right now is Citrix solution, but Win32 apps are
run on server in that environment. Another way is to use
Odin software which provides Win32 binary compatibility
in OS/2. It's not finished yet, but it's open source and
your big customer can use it's programming skills to fill
the holes that prevent their Win32 apps from working under
Odin.

> -OS/2 as desktop platform is death! I have this info from IBM
> directly.

The fact that they don't promote or compete for the (fat) desktop
anymore does not mean you can not buy or use Warp 4 anymore.

> I
> think there must be a lot of another companies with the same problem

Probably.

> vmware dose not support os2 yet(if enough interested party are
> asking for
> vmware will build in the os/2 support),

VMWare is not that flexible.

> bochs doese also not support os2 (I've no statement from bochs at
> present).

But OS/2 supports Bochs - you can run it in OS/2. However,
Bochs is still too slow because of it's platform independant
nature. They are working at CPU->CPU conversion for Intel
platforms, but I don't know how far did they get.

> is there something else?.

If I understand what your needs are, your best bet is
Project Odin. The company in question probably allready
has OS/2 on desktops (why would they need OS/2 application
support, anyway?), so it's cheapest soulution as Odin runs
in OS/2 and is free and open source. The only problem is if
it won't run Win32 applications you need, but that can be
fixed as you get the source.

Nenad


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From: as@sci.fi                                         10-Nov-99 07:50:04
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel in OS/2?

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

I have my eye on a "Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel"
(http://www.logitech.com/se/mice/mc83_100.html). I'm wondering if that
mouse works well in OS/2, especially the wheel? 

The wheel mouse support IBM has available doesn't mention this
specific model, only a "Mouseman+" which isn't even mentioned on
Logitech's site, maybe it's an older model.

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            10-Nov-99 00:25:12
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <3828e750$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, letoured@nospam.net 
says...
>David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:
>
>>letoured@nospam.net  says...
>>>
>>>McCoy were you born an asshole or is it something you acquired?
>>>
>>I learned it from your mother. She would say hi but her mouth is full.
>
>
>Your response proves my basic point -- You are an Asshole! 
>
>
>_____________
>Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
>
>

And your mother is a great lay. She just loves the backdoor and is well worth 
the five bucks.

Give her a kiss for me.

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     10-Nov-99 06:49:03
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Nenad Milenkovic wrote:

> I've just found out this, I don't know if it's OS/2
> version specific, but it looks like it is.

Yes, it is only in the OS/2 version of Communicator 4.61  :)

> When you open "About Communicator" page and click on Netscape
> logo, you'll end up with the page listing OS/2 Comm/2
> development team. One click on the page will line upp all
> names for start, and double click will begin the race...
> During the race, current leader is announced in status bar,
> and finally a winner is declared.

I've got a better version of it now, actually... gives a
little more information in the status bar on the race
and fixes the problem where the race gets clipped off
on the right side with certain fonts/sizes.  Oh, and the
double-click isn't necessary.... once you click to line
up the names ("On Your Marks"), the race will start
on its own ("Get Set"... "GO!").

> Useless but interesting. :)

As most easter eggs are!  Congrats on finding it!

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: swanee@pillarsoft.net                             10-Nov-99 01:32:20
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net>

"Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote:
> 
> Nenad Milenkovic wrote:
> 
> > I've just found out this, I don't know if it's OS/2
> > version specific, but it looks like it is.
> 
> Yes, it is only in the OS/2 version of Communicator 4.61  :)
> 
> > When you open "About Communicator" page and click on Netscape
> > logo, you'll end up with the page listing OS/2 Comm/2
> > development team. One click on the page will line upp all
> > names for start, and double click will begin the race...
> > During the race, current leader is announced in status bar,
> > and finally a winner is declared.
> 
> I've got a better version of it now, actually... gives a
> little more information in the status bar on the race
> and fixes the problem where the race gets clipped off
> on the right side with certain fonts/sizes.  Oh, and the
> double-click isn't necessary.... once you click to line
> up the names ("On Your Marks"), the race will start
> on its own ("Get Set"... "GO!").
> 
> > Useless but interesting. :)
> 
> As most easter eggs are!  Congrats on finding it!
> 
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation

Eldred is pretty fast but he seems to tire toward the end. Jones has
nice confirmation and good speed but can he run on turf? I also noticed
that you and Mike seem to be in the hunt but can't quite seem to break
out. Maybe a steady diet of Jolt or Mountain Dew can get you guys over
the hump. :-)

btw: Did I hear that you'll be in Phoenix come Memorial day? I'm trying
to justify that with my checkbook. <BG>

Have a great day!
Wayne Swanson
------------------------------------------------------------
email: swanee@pillarsoft.net
PillarSoft: http://www.pillarsoft.net
Developers of: WarpZip, DeskTop Backup (DTB), SFX Installer
               ShowTime/2 and the Enhanced E Editors
Vice President: VOICE (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education)
VOICE: http://www.os2voice.org
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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    10-Nov-99 05:53:11
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 10:29:14
Subj: Re: PC DOS 7 on Bootmanager

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <qfqneebjaivargpbz.fkwx301.pminews@news.nvinet.com>,
"Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:39:11 -0500, Walter S. Rue wrote:
>
>>One other question: Does anyone know how large the partition should be? 
>>I was thinking about 50mg, including a couple of small apps.  But that
>>is only a guess.
>
>For DOS, I'd either go less than 32 megs - for the smallest possible
>block size (2K) thereby wasting the least amount of space - or else go
>with 125 megs (larger block size - 4 megs) which would allow enough
>room to install something useful to run in DOS (games?)

I thought that you got the 2K clusters below 128 MB.  Also with 
smaller drives (I've forgotten the boundary) you wind up with a 12 bit
FAT table and 4K clusters.  With < 128 MB, the FAT table is 16 bits. 
Above 128 MB, the cluster size doubles everytime the partition size 
doubles.


-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: denis.radi@dem.si                                 10-Nov-99 11:27:11
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 10:29:14
Subj: Re: cdwriter support

From: "Denis Radi" <denis.radi@dem.si>

On 24 Oct 1999 20:45:13 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

>No, ironically this one is SCSI (Yamaha 6416), while the one it replaced
>was IDE and worked fine with all the rippers that balk now.

Hi Pierre!

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Reuters

Go to this site and then click on downloads. Try one of those patches for
Pioneer, Sony and Teac drives.

By!

--
Yours sincerely.
                Denis

+------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| Denis Radi, SysAdmin         | OS/2 Warp Server V4 Advanced SMP |
| Dravske elektrarne Maribor   + A highly reliable network OS     |
+------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| Tel: +386 62 3005168         | http://www.dem.si                |
| Fax: +386 62 3005655         | e-mail: denis.radi@dem.si        |
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From: letoured@nospam.net                               10-Nov-99 06:45:06
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 10:29:14
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: letoured@nospam.net

David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:

>>>>McCoy were you born an asshole or is it something you acquired?
>>>>
>>>I learned it from your mother. She would say hi but her mouth is full.
>>
>>Your response proves my basic point -- You are an Asshole! 

>And your mother is a great lay. She just loves the backdoor and is well
>worth  the five bucks.
>Give her a kiss for me.

Twice in row you prove me right.  -- Although I am begining to think that
your problems goes beyond asshole. It looks more like terminal RCI. 


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: rubbe@ibm.net                                     10-Nov-99 10:42:03
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 12:08:18
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop

From: Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net>


It's about how to run Pilot Desktop 1.0 (Win32S 1.30) at WINOS/2 ....

We're waiting for a pointer from someone that could run this and he'll
create a HTML with the procedures ...


Cassio Roberto Pellegrim
CasRob@br.ibm.com





postmaster@[127.0.0.1] wrote:

> I inadvertently deleted the discussion on the Pilot Desktop.  If this is
> for the Palm Pilot, I'm interested in hearing more.
>
> What was the discussion about?
>
> --
> GK
>
> FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
> OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12
> There are 31 Processes with 125 Threads.
> This machine's uptime is 3d 1h 52m 43s 796ms.

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From: peterpan@mail2.dgraph.com                         10-Nov-99 05:52:02
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 12:08:18
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop

From: Fujiha <peterpan@mail2.dgraph.com>

Cassio Roberto Pellegrim wrote:
> 
> It's about how to run Pilot Desktop 1.0 (Win32S 1.30) at WINOS/2 ....

Does WinOS/2 even support Win32s 1.3? I thought 1.25 was the highest
version of Win3s supported.


> 
> We're waiting for a pointer from someone that could run this and he'll
> create a HTML with the procedures ...
> 
> Cassio Roberto Pellegrim
> CasRob@br.ibm.com
> 
> postmaster@[127.0.0.1] wrote:
> 
> > I inadvertently deleted the discussion on the Pilot Desktop.  If this is
> > for the Palm Pilot, I'm interested in hearing more.
> >
> > What was the discussion about?
> >
> > --
> > GK
> >
> > FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
> > OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12
> > There are 31 Processes with 125 Threads.
> > This machine's uptime is 3d 1h 52m 43s 796ms.

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 10-Nov-99 12:35:03
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 12:08:18
Subj: staroffice starcalc files go bad and close application

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

I've been noticing something strange lately.  I am using Suns version
of Staroffice V5.1a

Some Starcalc files that seem fine while I'm editing them seem to go
bad during the save process.  I cant nail down whats going on, indeed
it seems slightly random in nature.  

Sometimes if I try to open a previously good starcalc file I get a
staroffice error message to the effect that there has been a serious
error and staroffice will now close (documents saved apparently).

These files though seem to be lost, you can never open them, even
after a reboot.  Its a bit worrying as nothing else seems to be going
wrong.  The effect is a very uneasy feeling knowing that the calc file
you've been working on all day, and that -seemed- to save okay might
not be available to you tomorrow.

I've searched the sun site and nothing applicable seems to be
surfacing.

Anyone got some ideas?  Similar problems?

Cheers,
Craig

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From: danielh@crosslink.net                             10-Nov-99 16:01:16
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 16:37:18
Subj: Re: HTML stripper?

From: danielh@crosslink.net

>>I once has a program that removed the HTML codes from a text document.  
>If you're using NetScape, click on File
>then SaveAs.  Specify a file with an
>extenstion of .TXT; The resulting TXT file
>will contain only the actual text from the
>original HTML script.

If you want to strip html, but retain as much formatting as possible, you
might be interested in html_txt (http://www.srehttp.org/apps/html_txt/ )
Among other features, HTML_txt recognizes  and will format (fairly well,
in my subjective opinion) tables, bullet lists, and forms.

 
-----------------------------------------------------------
danielh@crosslink.net
http://www.srehttp.org
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From: fwkirk@ibm.net                                    10-Nov-99 21:10:06
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 20:03:07
Subj: Re: Printing won't start from Win-OS2

From: fwkirk@ibm.net (Frank Kirk)

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:32:35, cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall) wrote:

> I just installed an HP LJ 1100 and OS/2 printing works fine. DOS printing
> is fine. However, when printing from Win-OS2, the printer won't accept
> characters until it's "jostled", either by hitting the "Go" button (which
also
> prints a test page) or by removing the paper from the tray (which at least
> changes a status). I've looked in the win.ini file and there's nothing
obvious.
> Also, changing the lpt1 bios port parameters doesn't affect anything (normal
> vs epp). Right now it's just an annoyance. The problem only happens using
the
> HP win3.1 driver on its CD. If I print to a postscript driver which funnels
> through Ghostscript, all is OK. If anyone knows what's happening, let me
know.
> System is Warp4 FP11 DDfix1.

	Is your Win-OS2 default printer set to LPT1?  If so, you probably 
need to change it to LPT1.OS2.

FWK

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From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca                       10-Nov-99 21:14:24
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 20:03:07
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Buddy Donnelly (donnelly@tampabay.rr.com) wrote:
: On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:49:06, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
: <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> a ‚crit dans un message:

: > Nenad Milenkovic wrote:
: > 
: > > I've just found out this, I don't know if it's OS/2
: > > version specific, but it looks like it is.
: > 
: > Yes, it is only in the OS/2 version of Communicator 4.61  :)
: snip
: > > Useless but interesting. :)
: > 
: > As most easter eggs are!  Congrats on finding it!

: With all due respect, this is crap.
[stuff deleted]
: /PROGRAM/WASTED.DLL we can track down and deregister or unlock and erase, 
: like those useless Advantis DLLs I still get physically sick over when they
: pop back up after a fresh OS/2 install? (Remember, your Netscape /PROGRAM 
: directory alone is nearly 7,000,000 bytes, while other OS/2 browsers need 
: less than half of that to work, and I'm still using RAM strips I paid $30 

I'm ambivalent about Easter Eggs. i) They do waste time and code, but ii)
they're fun!

Look, Netscape/2 might be bigger than other OS/2 browsers (what? WebEx?),
but it also has a lot more functionality than the other ones. Whether you
want it or not is another matter.

Don't forget that Netscape/2 is a _port_, they didn't have the option to
do it from scratch. Look at Opera/2 and how long that is taking if they
were to do it from the ground up.

If you look at Netscape for other platforms, you'll find that the Win9x
version is something like a 16-18MB download, much, larger installed.
The Solaris version I have here is 20MB in the directory. 14MB for the
executable. (In *NIX, the bookmarks, cache and preferences are kept in
the users directory)

Meanwhile, my OS/2 version came in at a mere 10MB download and has an
executable < 5MB and my entire directory, including mail, news, throbbers,
etc. is < 20MB. It seems pretty feature complete relative to the other
platforms! 

I have no complaints about that!


Isaac

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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              10-Nov-99 22:46:23
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 20:03:07
Subj: cannot find winsock.dll - Quicken 98

From: alan@min.net.notspam

I've gotten a bit further in trying to connect to the internet with my
Quicken 98 Deluxe for Windows 3.1 under OS/2 Warp 4 with a cable modem.  I
now get the error message "cannot find winsock.dll."  Winsock.dll is in
f:\tcpip\dos\etc, which is listed as "set etc=" in autoexec.bat.  Quicken
is set for direct internet connection.  

I also need the upgrades - I'm at R1, and the revision level is up to R4. 
Is there any other way to get them besides connecting through Quicken,
which obviously hasn't worked?  An ftp site, or something?  Could someone
download them, and make them available from a wesite?


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From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu                     10-Nov-99 22:29:16
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 20:03:07
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu

In article <3829c516$2$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
  lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> That's good?  Two of the slowest most wasteful snails on earth and
> that's good?

What I meant was that it's small (<4K) and is not external to the browser
(ie: It uses functions that the browser has anyway). Besides,
Communicator is huge as it is. What's 4K compared to 16MB?

--
-Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |
hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: matinee@cix.co.uk                                 10-Nov-99 22:30:22
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 20:03:07
Subj: Re: Microtek ScanMaker 330 works in OS/2 via CFM Twain full release.

From: matinee@cix.co.uk (Peter Kay)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:30:58, lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee 
Riemenschneider) wrote:

> Is the E3+ (not the E3) supported now?
I have no idea. Check the CFM pages?

--- Peter Kay --- Manchester, UK --- OS/2, NT and more ---

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               10-Nov-99 23:15:24
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 21:35:27
Subj: Re: Smack,  CM2 won't run

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:25:29, mikelrob@flash.net (Michael Robertson) 
wrote:
| > If REXX isn't working, try running SWITCHRX from the command line. 
| > That will turn ObjectREXX on (or off), but at the least it may kick 
| > start REXX into working again.
| 
| 	I did but it didn't.  I must have done something during the last 
| three weeks or so that changed the environment but I can't remember 
| anything that might affect REXX.

Show us your PATH and LIBPATH, Michael.

--Esther

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From: ariek@attglobal3.141592653589793...               10-Nov-99 23:24:17
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 21:35:27
Subj: Re: VAC++ debugger storage monitor: how to search for specific data?

Message sender: ariek@attglobal3.14159265358979323846.net

From: ariek@attglobal3.14159265358979323846.net (Arie Kazachin)

In message <38285CE8.399C@attglobal.net> - Tue, 09 Nov 1999 12:42:01
-0500Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes:
>
>Arie,
>
>Sorry, you can't search for specific data - I assume part of the reason
>could be that memory is not necessarily contiguous in OS/2, even with
>virtual addresses.
>
>A trick I've used quite often is to set a pointer to the data I want to
>monitor, then stop when the pointer is set.  This will give me the
>address of the data, and I can then set a breakpoint on the change.
>

Thanks, Jerry.

However, this trick only works when debugging a program you write.
When attempting to do this with already existing executable (and no sources),
it seems I'll have to let go on tha ability to search for data (unless
some developing/debugging utilities can do this).

Regards,
******************************************************************************
*   Arie Kazachin, Israel, e-mail: ariek@attglobal3.14159265358979323846.net *
******************************************************************************
NOTE: before replying, leave only letters in my domain-name. Sorry, SPAM trap.

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                10-Nov-99 16:28:10
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 21:35:27
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:27:32, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
Donnelly) wrote:

> Or am I out of step with the marketplace here? Y'all want everybody's 
> systems everywhere loaded down with junk like this, instead of having trim,
> solid, stable, secure, fast-working browsers? All in favor, raise your 
> cotton candy cones over your empty heads and wave them.

Are you out of step? YES.  They give you a freebie then you sit around
and bitch about trivia.  You got what you paid for and you are free to
remove it anytime you feel up to it.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 10-Nov-99 18:32:16
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 21:35:27
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:49:06, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
><murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> a ‚crit dans un message:
>
>> Nenad Milenkovic wrote:
>> 
>> > I've just found out this, I don't know if it's OS/2
>> > version specific, but it looks like it is.
>> 
>> Yes, it is only in the OS/2 version of Communicator 4.61  :)
>snip
>> > Useless but interesting. :)
>> 
>> As most easter eggs are!  Congrats on finding it!
>
>With all due respect, this is crap.
>
>All easter eggs are grotesque wastes of resources, neither helpful nor 
>harmless, just useless lines of code buried inside the original copy of 
>program source then writ large by being compiled and multiplied over every 
>copy of the program in use everywhere around the planet all at the same 
>time, taking up HD space on millions (?) of machines at once and then 
>carried forward for many years to come, taking up extra RAM every day when 
>the program loads, and for all we know just standing around in there 
>getting in everybody else's way like a blind dog at a picnic. 

>remainder of excoriation excised

Buddy, Buddy, Buddy!  In a world where extra code is added
to popular internet applications and multimedia applications
to report user habits to greedy software developers; where
personal privacy is at constant risk thanks to the pure
acquisitive nature of frantic and duplicitous corporations;
where sheer bloat, along with the patently malicious impulse
to create automatically obselete software purely out of
avarice, threaten to stifle what's vital and human in
arguably the most human innovations in technology in a long
time -- in such a world, what is the harm of a tiny bit of
out-of-the-way developer graffiti, placed there by a dozen
or so software engineers motivated, if I may, by nothing
more culpable than simple pride in accomplishment?  (Merited
pride, I think you agree.)  I guess some Easter eggs are
annoying but I like seeing this particular one.  These folks
did a first-rate job, imho (iYho, if I'm not mistaken), and
if they want to ink their names beneath the woodwork I'm all
for it.  It puts a human face on something which was for all
purposes created not by Netscape, nor by IBM, but by a bunch
of overworked human beings over the course of six months or
a year or however long.

Otoh, if you really mean it, I'll bet you could forward your
complaint to the powers that be (I be Em, that is) and watch
a few heads roll -- or hear their apologies, anyway.  

Now, should I discover one of these things in any SmutSuite
applications, I might catch the next train to Armonk and
grab Louie by the lapels and demand the firing of the morons
that created it, 'cause the shabby programming Lotus has
foisted on OS/2 users deserves punishment.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: hunters@my-deja.com                               10-Nov-99 15:55:17
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 21:35:27
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: hunters@my-deja.com

In article
<Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-oQE7RGbDdlt0@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
  donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

> All easter eggs are grotesque wastes of resources, neither helpful
> nor harmless, just useless lines of code buried inside the original
> copy of program source then writ large by being compiled and
> multiplied over every copy of the program in use everywhere around
> the planet all at the same time, taking up HD space on millions (?)
> of machines at once and then carried forward for many years to come,
> taking up extra RAM every day when the program loads, and for all we
> know just standing around in there getting in everybody else's way
> like a blind dog at a picnic.

<rantings snipped>

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ Man! Chill out! This particular easter egg is
all done with HTML and JavaScript.

--Begin (partial) source for "about:authors"--
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html"
CHARSET="iso-8859-1">
<TITLE>The Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Team</TITLE>
<SCRIPT>
<!--
loaded = 0;
leader = 9999;
winner = 9999;
names = 17;
leaderval = 0;

function onyourmarks()
{
   if (loaded == 0) {
      window.status = "On Your Marks...";
      for (i = 0; i < names; i++) {
         document.layers[0].layers[2*i].visibility = "HIDE";
         document.layers[0].layers[2*i+1].visibility = "SHOW";
      }
      loaded = 1;
      window.setTimeout("getset()",2000);
   }
}

function getset()
{
   window.status = "Get Set...";
   window.setTimeout("go()",2000);
}

function go()
{
   window.status = "GO!!!";
   window.setTimeout("therace()",500);
}

function therace()
{
   x = 2*(Math.floor(names*Math.random()))+1;

   document.layers[0].layers[x].moveBy(10*Math.random(),0);
   if (document.layers[0].layers[x].left > leaderval) {
      if (document.layers[0].layers[x].pageX >= 350) {

document.layers[0].layers[2*names].moveTo(document.layers[0].layers[x].
x+155, document.layers[0].layers[x].y);
         document.layers[0].layers[2*names].visibility = "SHOW";
         window.status = document.layers[0].layers[x].name + ' is the
Winner!';
         winner = x;
      } else if (leader != x) {
         leader = x;
         window.status = document.layers[0].layers[x].name + ' is in
the lead...';
      }
      leaderval = document.layers[0].layers[x].left;
   }
   if (winner == 9999)
      window.setTimeout("therace()",10);
}
//-->
</SCRIPT>
--End--

Then the names are listed... Quite well written if I may say so! :)

--
-Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |
hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                10-Nov-99 17:20:28
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 23:25:13
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

I get not a thing but the names.


In comp.os.os2.apps article <80c4hk$pm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> hunters@my-deja.com
wrote:
: In article
: <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-oQE7RGbDdlt0@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
:   donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

:> All easter eggs are grotesque wastes of resources, neither helpful
:> nor harmless, just useless lines of code buried inside the original
:> copy of program source then writ large by being compiled and
:> multiplied over every copy of the program in use everywhere around
:> the planet all at the same time, taking up HD space on millions (?)
:> of machines at once and then carried forward for many years to come,
:> taking up extra RAM every day when the program loads, and for all we
:> know just standing around in there getting in everybody else's way
:> like a blind dog at a picnic.

: <rantings snipped>

: Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ Man! Chill out! This particular easter egg is
: all done with HTML and JavaScript.

: --Begin (partial) source for "about:authors"--
: <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html"
: CHARSET="iso-8859-1">
: <TITLE>The Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Team</TITLE>
: <SCRIPT>
: <!--
: loaded = 0;
: leader = 9999;
: winner = 9999;
: names = 17;
: leaderval = 0;

: function onyourmarks()
: {
:    if (loaded == 0) {
:       window.status = "On Your Marks...";
:       for (i = 0; i < names; i++) {
:          document.layers[0].layers[2*i].visibility = "HIDE";
:          document.layers[0].layers[2*i+1].visibility = "SHOW";
:       }
:       loaded = 1;
:       window.setTimeout("getset()",2000);
:    }
: }

: function getset()
: {
:    window.status = "Get Set...";
:    window.setTimeout("go()",2000);
: }

: function go()
: {
:    window.status = "GO!!!";
:    window.setTimeout("therace()",500);
: }

: function therace()
: {
:    x = 2*(Math.floor(names*Math.random()))+1;

:    document.layers[0].layers[x].moveBy(10*Math.random(),0);
:    if (document.layers[0].layers[x].left > leaderval) {
:       if (document.layers[0].layers[x].pageX >= 350) {

: document.layers[0].layers[2*names].moveTo(document.layers[0].layers[x].
: x+155, document.layers[0].layers[x].y);
:          document.layers[0].layers[2*names].visibility = "SHOW";
:          window.status = document.layers[0].layers[x].name + ' is the
: Winner!';
:          winner = x;
:       } else if (leader != x) {
:          leader = x;
:          window.status = document.layers[0].layers[x].name + ' is in
: the lead...';
:       }
:       leaderval = document.layers[0].layers[x].left;
:    }
:    if (winner == 9999)
:       window.setTimeout("therace()",10);
: }
: //-->
: </SCRIPT>
: --End--

: Then the names are listed... Quite well written if I may say so! :)

: --
: -Steven Hunter                *OS/2 Warp 4 * |
: hunters@sapphire.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |


: Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
: Before you buy.


-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

... so long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those
who wish to tyrranize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent,
and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious
and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.
                - Voltarine de Cleyre

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                10-Nov-99 17:24:13
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 23:25:13
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

In comp.os.os2.apps article <382a19f9_1@news.calweb.com> John M Price PhD
<jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:
: I get not a thing but the names.


Sheesh.  I usually have java off for security.  Kaply won.



-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

The Celtic countries, by the way, are the only places where you can find
peat.  God did this because he knew that the Celts were the only people
who drink so much that they would try to burn mud. 
          - P.J. O'Rourke "Trips to Nowhere"


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From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu                           10-Nov-99 20:35:14
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 23:25:13
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Paul Coen <pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu>

"Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote:
 
>As most easter eggs are!  Congrats on finding it!

So, on a really boring day, did you guys ever find yourselves
wagering on the results of a race? :)

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 01:39:05
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 23:25:13
Subj: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

   One feature that I have not found amongst any of the other
GUI based word processors is the ability to change most of the
menu/background colors.  Microsoft Word 6.0c and Corel WordPerfect
7, I know don't have this, neither did Lotus Word Pro 96.  Now,
when I say that I mean something like back during the WordPerfect
5.1 days, the ability to change ones background (mine was always
black) and the text (dark green for regular text with neon green
for the bold).  Of course, none of this meant that your print outs
would come out in a black backdrop with green text, it was simply
the working enviornment that would look like this.  Describe 5
does this on all platforms (Windows 3.1, Windows 95/NT, and OS/2).
Which is great for me since I have always had trouble working
with GUI based word processors and preferred the character-based
ones.  At least this way I can mimic myself a pseudo-WordPerfect
5.1 working enviornment.
   A feature that is lacking which I think would be neat to
have in order to compliment the earlier feature is a fullscreen
mode, something that I remember seeing in Microsoft Word 6.0c for
instence.  The closest I could get in Describe 5 was disabling
the toolbar, but that doesn't cut it since I still see the menu
and title bar.
   A quick comment about some of the filters that Describe 5 has
to offer.  I have found Describe 5's ability to read other
formats to be generally good.  The one that impressed me the
most was its Microsoft Word 6.0 filter.  It was able to read
one particular document (Canon's Windows NT Guide for their Canon
BJC-4000 series printer driver, you can download it at
http://www.ccsi.canon.com).  I compared how Describe 5 would
display that document as compared with Microsoft's Word 97
viewer and was amazed to see the formating almost identical with
even the graphics in the proper placing and everything.  Whether
or not Describe 5 could see Word 6 equations and other things
of that like I do not know.  Unfortunately this only applies to
the OS/2 version.  I have tried viewing the same files under both
the Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 version but the images never come
out, only the text.  Weird.  Anyhow, I do know one thing, a word
processors ability to read other file formats has absolutely
nothing in common with its ability to save it as another format.
Quite frankly, this is where Describe 5 bombs.  When it came to
trying to save Describe 5's sample document (a four page document
displaying all of Describe's abilities, from tables, graphics,
frames, and footnotes) as another file format it will never ever
preserve the graphics or virtually anything else other than the
text formatting.  No matter which filter I chose, it was in vain
since the end result was the same.
   If someone actually demands a soft copy of your work, the
best thing to do (and this applies with any word processor that
can do this) is to install a PostScript printer driver and have
it setup to print to file.  You will also want to install
Ghostscript/Ghostview (http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost).  They have
Windows 3.1/95/98/NT, Linux, FreeBSD, OS/2, Macintosh (PPC/m68k),
and a host of others.  There is a DOS version but it only has
Ghostscript, no Ghostview (this is what actually displays the
PostScript document).  Under DOS the only thing you can do is
print it out so I would suggest getting at least a second-hand
copy of Windows 3.1 in order to view the PostScript files.  Now
most people already have Adobe Acrobat on their system somewhere
and this is where Ghostscript/Ghostview really shines since it can
make a PostScript to PDF conversion.  Basically you have to launch
Ghostscript/Ghostview, then open the PostScript document.  After
that click on "Print", then scroll down the "Device:" listing and
click on 'pdfwrite'.  Click on "Print to File" and select all or
any particular page or pages of the document you wanted and then
click on "Ok".  You will then be asked to name the file that you
wanted saved as (eg. SAMPLE.PDF).  Voila!  You have a PDF file that
anyone who has Adobe Acrobat Reader can view.  Adobe made many
versions of Adobe Reader, from DOS, Windows 3.1/9X/NT, OS/2, 
*Nix's, etc.  Like I said earlier, this will work for any word
processor that can do this, so this way you can keep using whatever
word processor you like and still be able to provide your work in a
manner that can be literally read by all, either as a PostScript
document or as a PDF document.  Of course, they won't be able to
work on the document (unless it was a PDF document and they had the
Adobe Acrobat product) but at least they can read it in the manner
that it was originally supposed to look like.
   This is late in coming, but I really have to compliment
Describe Inc. for putting out a really good product.  Even in
spite of some of its drawbacks, it has majority of the features
that one expects a word processor to have, is quick and light, and
not to mention one heck of a bargain.  It is just too bad that they
went out of business.


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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            10-Nov-99 21:14:06
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 23:25:13
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <3829474e$1$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, letoured@nospam.net 
says...
>David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:
>
>>>>>McCoy were you born an asshole or is it something you acquired?
>>>>>
>>>>I learned it from your mother. She would say hi but her mouth is full.
>>>
>>>Your response proves my basic point -- You are an Asshole! 
>
>>And your mother is a great lay. She just loves the backdoor and is well
>>worth  the five bucks.
>>Give her a kiss for me.
>
>Twice in row you prove me right.  -- Although I am begining to think that
>your problems goes beyond asshole. It looks more like terminal RCI. 
>
>
>_____________
>Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
>

Twice in a row I made your mom feel like a real woman. Having you did turn her 

off to sex, but I fixed that.

Would you like pictures of her and me together? She is one great piece of ass.


-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
---------------------------------------

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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     11-Nov-99 05:33:03
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Wayne Swanson wrote:

> Eldred is pretty fast but he seems to tire toward the end. Jones has
> nice confirmation and good speed but can he run on turf? I also noticed
> that you and Mike seem to be in the hunt but can't quite seem to break
> out. Maybe a steady diet of Jolt or Mountain Dew can get you guys over
> the hump. :-)

Ya know... what's funny is how accurately that seems to
describe all of us....

> btw: Did I hear that you'll be in Phoenix come Memorial day? I'm trying
> to justify that with my checkbook. <BG>

I've already planted the idea in my new manager's head,
and he's all for it.  We'll still have to solidify those plans
after the New Year, though.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Nov-99 05:20:23
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:39:10, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) a 
Úcrit dans un message:
snpppp

>    A feature that is lacking which I think would be neat to
> have in order to compliment the earlier feature is a fullscreen
> mode, something that I remember seeing in Microsoft Word 6.0c for
> instence.  The closest I could get in Describe 5 was disabling
> the toolbar, but that doesn't cut it since I still see the menu
> and title bar.

You're right, the top two bar lines can't be eliminated, but you *can* 
simply "Float" the toolbar and push it off the screen when you don't want 
to see it. That customizable toolbar is a very powerful feature.


snip
>    If someone actually demands a soft copy of your work, the
> best thing to do (and this applies with any word processor that
> can do this) is to install a PostScript printer driver and have
> it setup to print to file.

Only if you care for them. Otherwise, just send them the Word output file 
and make them waste time trying to read it. Anybody who looks at the header
will see that you've sent them the correct format, and will assume they're 
doing something wrong for quite a while before bugging you back.

(Or, if it's somebody you're working with often, have them install DeScribe
on whatever platform they have at their end and trade the DeScribe format 
files back and forth, of course.)

snip
> Of course, they won't be able to
> work on the document (unless it was a PDF document and they had the
> Adobe Acrobat product) but at least they can read it in the manner
> that it was originally supposed to look like.

That's the great thing about PDF, I think. They can't screw it up and see 
it differently than you created it, no matter what they do.



>    This is late in coming, but I really have to compliment
> Describe Inc. for putting out a really good product.  Even in
> spite of some of its drawbacks, it has majority of the features
> that one expects a word processor to have, is quick and light, and
> not to mention one heck of a bargain.  It is just too bad that they
> went out of business.

Yeah, where were you when we needed to be buying them back from their 
marketing foolishnesses?

Just joking. It's fun to see somebody discovering the amazing powers of 
this program. Still my weapon of choice...


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     11-Nov-99 05:43:08
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> With all due respect, this is crap.
>
> All easter eggs are grotesque wastes of resources.... [snip]

Boy, life must really be tiresome being so joyless, huh?

We did that as a little surprise; it wasn't that hard to put
together and actually taught me a lot about programming
in Javascript, so it turns out to have been a very useful
exercise.

> [much invective snipped]   (Remember, your Netscape /PROGRAM
> directory alone is nearly 7,000,000 bytes, while other OS/2 browsers need
> less than half of that to work, and I'm still using RAM strips I paid $30
> per MB for, so it's easy enough to work out how much that extra code pains
> me.)

The authors page is just an HTML document, so there was
no extra code written into the app to make any of that
happen... it's standard Javascript and HTML.  And it added
less than 2K to the product.  Whooo-ee.

> Or am I out of step with the marketplace here?

Yes, you are.  And, in my opinion, completely out of line.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     11-Nov-99 05:53:00
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Paul Coen wrote:

> So, on a really boring day, did you guys ever find yourselves
> wagering on the results of a race? :)

No, but that thought had come up before.

Now that I think about it, though, we should probably
use it to determine who has to pick up the doughnuts
in the morning.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            10-Nov-99 22:34:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

In <80apva$267$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 11/10/99 
   at 03:48 AM, Nenad Milenkovic <nenad@my-deja.com> said:

>Useless but interesting. :)

Very nice.  

--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 31 Processes with 123 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 12m 12s 765ms.


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From: debu4335@dpnet.net                                11-Nov-99 00:50:25
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: e-mail app conversion utils

From: Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>

Although Netscape's mailer has served me well for a very long time, my
e-mail needs have grown to the point where I need to think about a
dedicated e-mail app.

Post Road Mailer seems to offer the most bang for the buck at this
point, though I do realize MR/2 has a great legion of fans.

My challenge is in converting my Netscape 4.61 mail folders and address
book to the new format. I *really* don't want to do it one at a time.
Hobbes doesn't have what I need.

Is there something out there that will convert Netscape 4.61 mail
folders and address books to Post Road Mail format?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Mike DeBusk  ÿ  North East, Maryland USA  ÿ  Team OS/2
Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences

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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            10-Nov-99 22:35:20
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-oQE7RGbDdlt0@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>, on
11/10/99 
   at 01:27 PM, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) said:

>Or am I out of step with the marketplace here? Y'all want everybody's 
>systems everywhere loaded down with junk like this, instead of having
>trim, solid, stable, secure, fast-working browsers? All in favor, raise
>your  cotton candy cones over your empty heads and wave them.

Got a bee in your bandwidth, Buddy?  That's gotta be one of the longest
letters I've read in a long time.

--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 31 Processes with 123 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 13m 44s 304ms.


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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     11-Nov-99 05:51:26
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> For kicks, look at the Warp credits Easter Egg, and try to find more than
> 10 of those names still at IBM.

You'll find both Mike and myself in that list, if you wait around
long enough for the K's, plus a couple of others from our team.
And certainly more than 10 in total.

But should I have admitted that?  Oh, no... that means my
name is taking up TWICE as much space on your hard drive,
being in the credits for both Warp and Communicator!  Oh,
the horror of waste!

Ah, never mind... you said you deleted that other metafile,
so it's safe.  Whew, that was a close one.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: postmaster@ecoworld.co.uk                         10-Nov-99 22:26:25
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Netscape 4.04 Wanted

From: postmaster <postmaster@ecoworld.co.uk>

Hi All,

I was stupid enough to upgrade to Netscape 4.61 having waited thinking
it would be bug free - which sadly is not the case.

I had kept a copy of comm404.exe file, but when I came to run it, I
found it was corrupted - can anyone point me to a site to get it?
Desperate to return to a stable platform! In fact I'd prefer an
alternative to a WIN95 port to OS2!

Regards

David

________________________________________________________________
David Cooper - Chairman Green-Base Exchange Ltd - Green-Base Shopping
Ltd. Waste Recovery + Cleaner Production Technologies = Environmentally
Friendly Products = Profits. That's Our Business - Make It Yours!



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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Nov-99 05:03:11
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:13:45, lifedata@xxvol.com a Úcrit dans un message:

> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) said:
> 
> >Or am I out of step with the marketplace here? Y'all want everybody's 
systems
> >everywhere loaded down with junk like this, instead of having trim, solid,
> >stable, secure, fast-working browsers? All in favor, raise your  cotton
candy
> >cones over your empty heads and wave them.
> 
> I can't say I disagree with you, but are you sure you want "Quixote"
attached to
> your name?  Here's my contribution.  I want Bill Gates to take all the
gotcha
> and froth code out of windows.

I think I've got a better chance of wearing down someone who posts here, 
than you do of getting some sense into any of the M$ minions, forgetabout 
Billy bouncing up and down on his living room trampoline and back 
jacknifing into his money bin.


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: j.torino@mailcity.com                             10-Nov-99 21:14:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.04 Wanted

From: John Torino <j.torino@mailcity.com>

postmaster wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I was stupid enough to upgrade to Netscape 4.61 having waited thinking
> it would be bug free - which sadly is not the case.
>
> I had kept a copy of comm404.exe file, but when I came to run it, I
> found it was corrupted - can anyone point me to a site to get it?
> Desperate to return to a stable platform! In fact I'd prefer an
> alternative to a WIN95 port to OS2!
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> David Cooper - Chairman Green-Base Exchange Ltd - Green-Base Shopping
> Ltd. Waste Recovery + Cleaner Production Technologies = Environmentally
> Friendly Products = Profits. That's Our Business - Make It Yours!

Yes, I can tell you where to find it.  Email me.

JT


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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     11-Nov-99 05:54:17
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.04 Wanted

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

postmaster wrote:

> I was stupid enough to upgrade to Netscape 4.61 having waited thinking
> it would be bug free - which sadly is not the case.

"Bug free"?  That's a tall order for any major piece of software.

What sort of troubles are you having with it?

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: bbarclay@ca.ibm.com                               10-Nov-99 13:48:23
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop

From: Brad BARCLAY <bbarclay@ca.ibm.com>

postmaster@[127.0.0.1] wrote:
> 
> I inadvertently deleted the discussion on the Pilot Desktop.  If this is
> for the Palm Pilot, I'm interested in hearing more.
> 
> What was the discussion about?

	The discussion was about getting the Pilot Desktop v1.0 from Palm
Computing working under OS/2.  Some people have been able to do it, but
for others it doesn't work (I have never been able to get it up and
running).

	A few notes for everyone on Pilot Desktop v1.0:  first off, this
software was designed for the Pilot 1000.  It's version of the HotSync
protocol should work with newer models, but it's seriously limited, and
doesn't support many of the new features introduced in later revisions
of the HotSync protocol stack.  It also means that it won't support any
modern Conduit plug-ins for synchronizing with 3rd party applications. 
It also only supports a very rudimentary backup/restore facility, and is
limited to 57.6kbps transfer speed.  Plus, it's a Windows application
:).

	It was for all of these reasons why I wrote the 100% Java based
jSyncManager (http://yaztromo.idirect.com/java-pilot.html).  It runs
under OS/2 very nicely (it should - all of it was written under OS/2
using VAJ for OS/2), synchronizes at 115.2kbps, has a fully re-written
and highly optimized HotSync protocol stack (also in pure Java) which
supports all of the newest protocol extensions, provides a full backup
and restore facility, provides a jConduit plug-in interface to allow for
synchronization with third-party applications, and has a fully open API
for developers to use to write their own jConduits, or their own
applications based on the HotSync protocol stack.

	And perhaps best of all, it's free for home and personal use, and the
developer (me) lives in the OS/2 newsgroups and is always willing to
provide free technical support :)

Brad BARCLAY

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v4.5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  bbarclay@ca.ibm.com		Location:  2G43D@Torolabs
DISCLAIMER:  I am not speaking for my employer.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 07:19:16
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Buddy Donnelly (donnelly@tampabay.rr.com) wrote:

: (Or, if it's somebody you're working with often, have them install DeScribe
: on whatever platform they have at their end and trade the DeScribe format 
: files back and forth, of course.)

	Well, duh. ;-)

: > Of course, they won't be able to
: > work on the document (unless it was a PDF document and they had the
: > Adobe Acrobat product) but at least they can read it in the manner
: > that it was originally supposed to look like.

: That's the great thing about PDF, I think. They can't screw it up and see 
: it differently than you created it, no matter what they do.

	Exactly, and plus pretty much everyone has access to at least 
Acrobat Reader 3.0 which is all you need.  As well, one normally finds it 
bundled on the CDROM that came with their Printer/Scanner/etc.  So it is 
pretty easy to get access to.
	Same applies for PS, too with Ghostscript/Ghostview, to boot.

: >    This is late in coming, but I really have to compliment
: > Describe Inc. for putting out a really good product.  Even in
: > spite of some of its drawbacks, it has majority of the features
: > that one expects a word processor to have, is quick and light, and
: > not to mention one heck of a bargain.  It is just too bad that they
: > went out of business.

: Yeah, where were you when we needed to be buying them back from their 
: marketing foolishnesses?

: Just joking. It's fun to see somebody discovering the amazing powers of 
: this program. Still my weapon of choice...

	I only got into OS/2 back on Feburary 1997. ;-)


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From: mmellin@home.com                                  11-Nov-99 07:38:11
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: mmellin@home.com (Mark Mellin)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:17:35, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> hunters@my-deja.com said:
> 
> >This particular easter egg is all done with HTML and JavaScript.
> 
> That's good?  Two of the slowest most wasteful snails on earth and
> that's good?

Damn straight -  best use I've seen for Java yet !!

I don't know this Buddy fella is, but he must be the Scrooge of
HDD space !!  (I can just see him individually counting the bytes
and frowning when he sees two bits missing from his HDD as caused
by a NOP instruction !!)

These programmers slave away in the bowels of faceless corporate
America (I imagine that IBM is quite a "bowel") - the most
recognition they'll probably see for their effort is; the end-user
blankly staring at a clever little animation with their names....

Gimme a break - I wanted Netscape Comm for OS/2, I have my Netscape
Comm for OS/2, I also got a small reminder of who worked their 'lil
noggin's to bring this app to me (for free). 

So... relax, un-ass a few extra bytes (mebbe a K or two), sit back,
watch the cool 'lil display of sweating coder's names go by, and say
to yourself "GEEE - that's swell, these rubes brought me a OS/2
Netscape Communicator with a release number greater that 4.04 !!"

-OR- unload Communicator and run the old IBM WebEx thingy, it will
 SAVE YOU TONS OF VERY IMPORTANT BYTES !!!


Mark Mellin

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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           11-Nov-99 01:22:12
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Communicator/2 apply global filters.

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

Hi,

Is there a way to apply global filters instead of group by group?

Thanks

Robert,

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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 11-Nov-99 07:39:03
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:14:44, "Hal Murray" <hjmurray@home.com> wrote:


>  I tried Partition Magic 4 on my OS/2 drive and it destroyed my
> extended partition. So I went back to Partition Magic 3 text version.
> 
> I don't expect they addresses the Os/2 incompatibility in Version 5.


Arer you sure that your extended partition was destroyed? It might just 
have been converted to a "0F" partition type, which OS/2 don't recognise. 
It's easy to restore to the previous "05"-partition type by running the 
included PTEDIT program.

And I wouldn't call version 4 (or version 5) OS/2 incompatible. I find it 
quite easy to run the included OS/2 version from diskette. You can choose 
between a graphics and a text version.

Jan Swartling
  Blue Soft
 Sweden

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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   11-Nov-99 06:40:17
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Smack,  CM2 won't run

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>

Hello Michael,

Michael Robertson wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:59:14, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
> wrote:
> 
> > If REXX isn't working, try running SWITCHRX from the command line.
> > That will turn ObjectREXX on (or off), but at the least it may kick
> > start REXX into working again.
> 
>         I did but it didn't.  I must have done something during the last
> three weeks or so that changed the environment but I can't remember
> anything that might affect REXX.
> 
>         Michael
> 
> ***Live simply, that others may simply live.***

When you run SWITCHRX , did it produce any errors ?
If not, then your REXX installation is ok, as SWITCHRX is a 
REXX command file itself.
If this is the case, then you're on the wrong road on hunting the
errors with Smack and CM2.

Bye/2
Meinolf


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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  11-Nov-99 08:12:22
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <80d6nu$njr$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
  jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:
>    One feature that I have not found amongst any of the other
> GUI based word processors is the ability to change most of the
> menu/background colors.  Microsoft Word 6.0c and Corel WordPerfect
> 7, I know don't have this, neither did Lotus Word Pro 96.  Now,
> when I say that I mean something like back during the WordPerfect
> 5.1 days, the ability to change ones background (mine was always
> black) and the text (dark green for regular text with neon green
> for the bold).  Of course, none of this meant that your print outs
> would come out in a black backdrop with green text, it was simply
> the working enviornment that would look like this.

[...much more about Describe...]

Maybe one reason why some programs do not offer these coloring options
any more: If a text processor supports colored documents and color
printing you will get troubles!

Interesting: You seem to have gone a similar way than I have, starting
with WordPerfect/DOS to Describe/OS2, both being discontinued by their
makers. Mine went on to "Papyrus" (OS/2) which comes from the Atari
world AFAIK and which is still being further developed (It only seems
that their plans and announcements go sometimes much further than their
capabilities to realize things, but this looks familiar to everybody
ever having programmed the one or other project :-)) See
http://www.rom-logicware.com/start.htm where they are talking about the
english language version of the program "coming out every moment"...: I
hope for you it will really do!

A main feature I will miss very much if I ever would need to switch
again to another text processor is the possibility to mark discontinuous
blocks of text, also using criteria like "mark everything that is bold"
or "everything that is italic and 12pt", and then apply the one or other
function on that block: I don't know any other text processor with this
powerful capability!

(I may have to mention that I have NO commercial relationship with ROM
Logicware besides being a customer!)

[..a lot of snipped text about import/export of text with images etc...]

These problems are a real problem for everybody not using the latest M$
Word for the one or other reason, because the DOC format is taken for a
quasi standard in many places where you are supposed to hand over your
text in digital form; mostly in these cases the PostScript or PDF
solutions you describe are not feasible because the others have to edit
the text (but for digital publishing they are of course perfect). The
technical side of the problem is mostly the crazy, continuously changing
and only badly documented format "specification" for the DOC file
format: Even if they want to and do their best, text processor
programmers will _never_ be able to really fully support this format
1:1!

One reason for this is also the strange and very old bug (probably
supposed to be a "feature") of all M$-Word documents: They depend on the
printer they are supposed to be printed with. This is the reson why even
between different computers all using Word the same document may look
different!

Most other (modern) text programs do not have this problem. I run into
it when I had to write a book project one year ago on a M$ Word system:
I finally had to port the whole manuscript to a DTP program just for
formatting the pages with _no_ extra formatting specials that are not
"supported" by Word - in principle!

Coming from OS/2 with Describe and Papyrus as mentioned I really had not
expected such a silly behaviour at all! I'm again convinced to stay
where I am with my system!

Greetings,
Cornelis

PS: If you really like so much using plain text mode word processors:
Did you ever try to do your work using TeX ??


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: denis.radi@dem.si                                 10-Nov-99 13:58:27
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Bios/Large HD Install Question

From: "Denis Radi" <denis.radi@dem.si>

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:48:48 -0400, Brad BARCLAY wrote:

>	Saving the old BIOS is almost a sort of sick joke:  if the new BIOS
>totally busticates your system, you won't be able to boot your system up
>to resport the old BIOS.  Such backups are useful if the new BIOS
>introduces a minor bug, and you need to backout, but it doesn't protect
>anyone who installs the wrong BIOS update.

It does on ASUS P/I-P55TP4N. The bios chip has built in limited I/O functions
to boot from floppy. And you must replace PCI display adapter with ISA. I was
able to recover from flasing wrong bios after I found this hint in news group
from someone working for Asus.

By!

--
Yours sincerely.
                Denis

+------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| Denis Radi, SysAdmin         | OS/2 Warp Server V4 Advanced SMP |
| Dravske elektrarne Maribor   + A highly reliable network OS     |
+------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| Tel: +386 62 3005168         | http://www.dem.si                |
| Fax: +386 62 3005655         | e-mail: denis.radi@dem.si        |
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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            11-Nov-99 09:41:27
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

My Warp 4 machine won't stay up for much more than a few days before it
dies and the longest it's ever been up before crashing is 9 days. Most of
the time it's just sitting there running the RC5DES client but it gets
"proper" use during the evenings and weekends.

Whenever it crashes, it seems more than coincidental that Comm/2 4.61 is
running. Last night, after 4 days, it died and Process Commander showed
that netscape.exe was trying to exit and so was the first instance of
pmshell. Nothing could be done except reboot.

Because I'm just a home user, it's not critical but it is annoying. I
often hear people say that their machines have been up for weeks or months
but why my machine won't stay up is beyond me. Maybe if I didn't run 
Comm/2 I'd not have a crash but that's not not really an option as there
is no viable alternative to Comm/2.

So, am I barking up the wrong tree? Is Comm/2 to blame or not? Has anyone
else who keeps their machine running constantly had reason to suspect that
Comm/2 brings down their machine?

Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,
Steve

Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517


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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           11-Nov-99 13:45:00
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <991111085533.19114B-100000@bisv3.bedford.waii.com>, on 11/11/99 
   at 09:41 AM, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> said:

At which fixpak level your Warp 4 system is? I am having severe problems
with FP12 here, with Comm 4.61 being pretty unusable since applying FP12
due to memory leak in pmmerge.dll (confirmed by people from IBM).
Unofficial pmr00052 fix improves the situation a bit, but I still having
occasional WPS hangs, mainly after attempting to exit Comm 4.61 and LSS
1.1. This system used to run in 24/7 mode very stably prior to FP12.

Cheers,
Ivan

>My Warp 4 machine won't stay up for much more than a few days before it
>dies and the longest it's ever been up before crashing is 9 days. Most
>of the time it's just sitting there running the RC5DES client but it
>gets "proper" use during the evenings and weekends.

>Whenever it crashes, it seems more than coincidental that Comm/2 4.61
>is running. Last night, after 4 days, it died and Process Commander
>showed that netscape.exe was trying to exit and so was the first
>instance of pmshell. Nothing could be done except reboot.

>Because I'm just a home user, it's not critical but it is annoying. I
>often hear people say that their machines have been up for weeks or
>months but why my machine won't stay up is beyond me. Maybe if I didn't
>run  Comm/2 I'd not have a crash but that's not not really an option as
>there is no viable alternative to Comm/2.

>So, am I barking up the wrong tree? Is Comm/2 to blame or not? Has
>anyone else who keeps their machine running constantly had reason to
>suspect that Comm/2 brings down their machine?

>Any advice will be appreciated.

>Cheers,
>Steve

>Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
>Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
>Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygon...               11-Nov-99 06:03:23
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

Message sender: retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygone.net

From: "Mike Ruskai" <retsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohaygone.net>

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:41:55 +0000, Steve Drewell wrote:

>My Warp 4 machine won't stay up for much more than a few days before it
>dies and the longest it's ever been up before crashing is 9 days. Most of
>the time it's just sitting there running the RC5DES client but it gets
>"proper" use during the evenings and weekends.
>
>Whenever it crashes, it seems more than coincidental that Comm/2 4.61 is
>running. Last night, after 4 days, it died and Process Commander showed
>that netscape.exe was trying to exit and so was the first instance of
>pmshell. Nothing could be done except reboot.
>
>Because I'm just a home user, it's not critical but it is annoying. I
>often hear people say that their machines have been up for weeks or months
>but why my machine won't stay up is beyond me. Maybe if I didn't run 
>Comm/2 I'd not have a crash but that's not not really an option as there
>is no viable alternative to Comm/2.
>
>So, am I barking up the wrong tree? Is Comm/2 to blame or not? Has anyone
>else who keeps their machine running constantly had reason to suspect that
>Comm/2 brings down their machine?
>
>Any advice will be appreciated.

The only problems I've had with Comm/2 were it triggering faults in my
audio drivers (since corrected).

You should see to it that you're running the latest revision.


--
 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.


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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            11-Nov-99 11:07:16
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

I'm at FP12 also. What's the unofficial pmr00052 fix???

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

î At which fixpak level your Warp 4 system is? I am having severe problems
î with FP12 here, with Comm 4.61 being pretty unusable since applying FP12
î due to memory leak in pmmerge.dll (confirmed by people from IBM).
î Unofficial pmr00052 fix improves the situation a bit, but I still having
î occasional WPS hangs, mainly after attempting to exit Comm 4.61 and LSS
î 1.1. This system used to run in 24/7 mode very stably prior to FP12.
î 
î Cheers,
î Ivan
î 
î >My Warp 4 machine won't stay up for much more than a few days before it
î >dies and the longest it's ever been up before crashing is 9 days. Most
î >of the time it's just sitting there running the RC5DES client but it
î >gets "proper" use during the evenings and weekends.
î 
î >Whenever it crashes, it seems more than coincidental that Comm/2 4.61
î >is running. Last night, after 4 days, it died and Process Commander
î >showed that netscape.exe was trying to exit and so was the first
î >instance of pmshell. Nothing could be done except reboot.
î 
î >Because I'm just a home user, it's not critical but it is annoying. I
î >often hear people say that their machines have been up for weeks or
î >months but why my machine won't stay up is beyond me. Maybe if I didn't
î >run  Comm/2 I'd not have a crash but that's not not really an option as
î >there is no viable alternative to Comm/2.
î 
î >So, am I barking up the wrong tree? Is Comm/2 to blame or not? Has
î >anyone else who keeps their machine running constantly had reason to
î >suspect that Comm/2 brings down their machine?
î 
î >Any advice will be appreciated.
î 
î >Cheers,
î >Steve
î 
î >Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
î >Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
î >Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517
î 
î 
î -- 
î -----------------------------------------------------------
î "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
î -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 11-Nov-99 11:22:11
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:59:50, egermain@mediaone.net (Edward Germain) 
wrote:

> Partition Magic 5 does not respect the very clear, published and 
> strict rules that OS/2 uses to create logical partitions.  It simply 
> will not work reliably.  You can verify this:

Ed,

What response did you get from Powerquest when you reported this? 

Jan Swartling
 Blue Soft

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 11:57:15
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: (1/2) Backup & Defragmentation 3.5

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

                  Backup & Defragmentation 3.5

     This is just a little primer drawn up in order to help OS/2
users to use common compression utilities such as PkZip for backing
up their OS/2 drives.  Another use for this is also to fight
against fragmentation.  OS/2's HPFS file system does not fragment
like the way FAT drives do, but it does become susceptible to it
when the drive is almost full.  So, the best remedy is to backup
the data, format the partition, then unarchive the backup back to
the original partition and you are back in business.
     Prior to doing this, be sure to create boot disks in order to
compress/uncompress the backup files.  You can use either the  
Create Utility Diskettes option in OS/2's System Folder or (a
better option) use BootOS/2 in order to make them.  BootOS/2 in
particular is more advantageous since it would only need two 3.5"
1.44 MB diskettes over the three needed by OS/2 Warp 3 & Connect
and the four for OS/2 Warp 4.  Plus, one can also use LxLite
compression with BootOS/2 in order to save that little extra bit of
disk space necessary.  As well, you can probably use it for an
LS-120 or ZIP disk whereas the Utility Diskettes option would not
support it.  BootOS/2 can be found at the Hobbes OS/2 Archive
(http://hobbes.nmsu.edu).  LxLite can be found at LEO  
(http://www.leo.org) and possibly also at Hobbes.
     I'm sure some will ask, "But John, what about PowerQuest's
Drive Image or Norton's Ghost?"  Well, there really is no problem
with those programs.  They do as advertised, they backup the hard
drive into an image.  That image can be restored onto a single
machine (or if you have the Drive Image Pro) onto a network of
multiple machines.  Unfortunately, the problem with disk imaging
programs like those is that they do absolutely nothing about the
fragmentation of the file system.  Keep in mind, programs like
Drive Image and Ghost simply make a *mirror* image of the hard
drive's partitions.  This means that not only does it copy the
data, but also the holes that whatever file system left behind
after days, months, years, etc. of disk thrashing.  In a nut shell,
Drive Image and Ghost not only copy the hard drive data, but also
the fragmentation of the file system.  This is where this little
primer really comes into play.  Of course, the advantage with
something like Drive Image Pro is the ability to restore onto a
multitude of networked computers.  Something that would be a pretty
big pain in the butt by this method.

     EXTRA: It is a good idea to make your backups booting through
your bootdisks since there maybe locked files that won't be
compressed.  Locked files are files that are currently in use by
OS/2 and will not allow any kind of manipulation from the user to
take place.
     EXTRA EXTRA: Before making a backup, it maybe a good idea to
run CHKDSK from the bootable floppies first.  Another thing, make
sure you run CHKDSK (CHKDSK X: /F:2) twice in a row.  I picked up
this little tidbit from the "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" book by SAMS
Publishing (fine book, BTW).  It is found in Chapter 18, dealing
with troubleshooting on page 941:

     "Note that if you running HPFS, then you should periodically
     run CHKDSK C: /F:2 twice.  The first pass checks and cleans
     the primary HPFS structures, and the second pass checks and
     clears the secondary HPFS structures."
   
     BTW: When I say it was tested personally under an OS/2
system, it means that I had tested it under a bootable OS/2
partition and not just a partition with data on it.

     DISCLAIMER: The only guarentee that I can possibly give is
that the methods here work on the systems that I have tested.  All
bets are off for OS/2 Warp for e-Business I'm afraid since I do not
have that.  I no longer have OS/2 Warp 4 anymore, either (sold
that).  I'm strictly running OS/2 Warp Connect, but I don't expect
much to be different from OS/2 Warp 4 though.  Basically the same
kernel and filesystem afterall.  It is with OS/2 Warp for e-
Business that is a little different since its kernel no longer has
that memory addressing limitation and uses a different method of
organizing its file system due to the addition of JFS.

     Updates:

     * Added DISCLAIMER   
     * RAR/2 2.60
     * ARJ/2 2.62
     * Windows 95 - FAT32
     * BootOS/2 9.26
   
     To Do List:
   
     * Testing ARJ/2 2.6x once it gets out of beta.  Just
     wondering, has there been any progress with this lately?  ARJ
     is now at v2.70.


                *NEWS* Warp for e-Business *NEWS*
   
     Okay, now that you've seent this, I have read of a user on
Usenet trying to use RAR/2 2.50 in order to backup their Warp for
e-Business partition.  It didn't work, apparently the EA's were
trashed.  Possibly this may have something to do with the new LVM
and JFS.  I don't know since I do not have Warp for e-Business, and
thus have no way of verifying.  So at this point in time it is best
not to try using any of these methods for backing up Warp for
e-Business.
     In the event if anyone is successful, please email me ASAP and
give me the details.


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Overall 
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Compression    | Disk Spanning | Requires PM |  Recovery | EA's | 
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PkZip/2 2.50   |      Yes      |     Yes     |    Yes    |  Yes |
Info-Zip 2.22  |      No       |      No     |    Yes    |  Yes |
RAR/2 2.60     |      Yes      |      No     |    Yes    |  Yes |
ARJ/2 2.62 Beta|      Yes      |      No     |    Yes    |   No | 
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Disk Spanning: Ability to support multiple archives.  Basically
     once the disk or cartridge is full, it can ask the user to
     insert another disk or cartridge in order for it continue. 
     A Yes is good.
Requires PM: Does the compression program require the PM,
     Presentation Manager.  This is OS/2's GUI.  A no is a good
     answer since it would be impossible to boot OS/2 up with
     regular floppies with the PM (unless it was a ZIP/LS-120
     booting with A: drive).
Recovery: Ability to recover/fix a corrupt archive, ie. PkZipFix.
     A yes here is a good answer.  If the file is corrupt you can
     at least salvage something from it.
EA's: Ability to save OS/2's Extended Attributes.  A yes here is
     a must for OS/2.
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Info-Zip for OS/2 (v2.22)
http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/
   
     Works very well under OS/2.  Use the following switches:

zip -rS$ (destination/name of backup) *

example:

zip -rS$ F:\BACKUP.ZIP *

     Stick unzip.exe onto your OS/2 bootdisks, to restore the
drive simply:

unzip (name of backup)

example:

C: (being where I want it unzipped)
unzip F:\BACKUP.ZIP

     Info-Zip is fine if you are just going to back it up to
another partition or have a removable media drive large enough to
fit it.  Currently, Info-Zip is not able to handle disk spanning.
It is a future feature to be added according to their home webpage
when 3.0 comes out.

     Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's).

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PkZip for OS/2 (v2.50)
http://www.pkware.com

     Another that works well under OS/2.  Perhaps a little better
than Info-Zip since PkZip does handle disk spanning.  Use the
following switch:

pkzip /add /attr=all /dir=full /rec /volume=(drive letter)
       (destination/name of backup) *

example:

pkzip /add /attr=all /dir=full /rec /volume=C F:\BACKUP.ZIP *

     To enable disk spanning, add the /span switch before the
/volume one.
     Take note, use pkzip.exe, do not use pkzip2.cmd or else it
will simply fail and just zip up the volume label in a file
called "all.zip".

     Now to uncompress the archive, simply go:

pkzip /attr=all /dir=full /extract /mask=none /rec /volume=C
      (destination/name of backup)

example:

pkzip /attr=all /dir=full /extract /mask=none /rec /volume=C F:\BACKUP.ZIP C:

     Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's).

     Extra Note: Apparently the geniuses at PkWare designed PkZip
for OS/2 needing the Presentation Manager.  So, using the boot
disks from the Create Utility Disks function will not work.  The
only way for BootOS/2 to get this to work is with the TYPE=PM
option.  This of course will require a bootable device large
enough to handle the extra data.  So really you are going to need
a bootable ZIP or LS-120 device in order to get this working.
With that said, you can use unzip.exe in order to uncompress the
pkzipped files.  But, that has a problem too.  Currently UnZip
5.40 will not be able to unzip multiple archives (like Zip 2.22).
This is slated for the next major release (UnZip 6.00).

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*UPDATED*

RAR for OS/2 (v2.60)
http://www.rarsoft.com

     So much for easiest. :-(

     The folks behind RAR are now combining the OS/2 and DOS
versions together.  Now that is not the problem I have with it, it
is the fact that they are no longer going to provide a text-based
shell for RAR does.  After a couple of people emailed RARSOFT, the
response they got back was that they have no intention of putting
in a text-based shell anymore.  So, RAR is relegated back to the
rest of the command line utilities.  Pity.  It was a terrific and
easy compression utility to use.  I have kept the v2.50
instructions for anyone who still plans to use it, but be warned,
there are some fixes that v2.60 brings that people maybe interested
in.  Here are the most notable fixes:

1. Both compression and speed have been improved for RAR archives.
My thanks to Alexander Khoroshev and Bulat Ziganshin for hints,
which allowed me to achieve this.

<snip>

4. Previous RAR versions were not able to handle single files and 
archives larger than 2 GB. This limitation does not exist any 
more for RAR archives.  The new limitation is slightly more than 
8,589,934,591 GB, that practically means "unlimited".  Note that 
Win-95/98 file systems cannot handle files larger than 4 GB, you 
need to use NTFS to work with such files. 

This improvement is valid only for RAR archives, 4 GB limitation 
for ZIP archives is not changed. 

5. Significantly increased speed of scanning for large numbers of 
files before archiving operations. Memory management also is 
optimized, so now it is possible to handle hundreds of thousands, 
or even millions of files.  WinRAR has been succesfully tested 
with over million files. 

6. Console RAR shows the total percentage of processed data when 
archiving instead of the current file percentage as before. 

     What is worse is that the RAR.TXT console manual is only
distributed in the WinRAR 2.60 for Windows 95/98 file.  I am just
wondering if they are that intent on killing their DOS and OS/2
user base, but anyways...

     I have yet to get this to work unfortunately. :-(

     I tried this to backup my OS/2 boot drive (C:).

C:\
rar32 a -m0 -r f:\test.rar

     It always comes out as "WARNING: No files added".  Funny thing
is, if I am in a directory it works.  Like this:

C:\UTILS
rar32 a -r f:\test.rar

     Anything in my UTILS directory such as FM2UTILS will be
archived properly.

C:\UTILS\FM2UTILS
        \CDRECORD
        \ETC

     All that is compressed.  Yet the thing is, if I am present in
my C:\, then the warning message alluded to earlier will always
appear.  Did I miss anything?


*OLD* 

RAR for OS/2 (v2.50)

     Easiest one to use due to its Norton Commander-like
interface.  Go into RAR's configuration (press F9, it is the
first item on the menu) and make sure the following are checked
on:

     X - Always Solid Archiving
     X - Put Recovery Record

     X - Read Only
     X - Hidden
     X - System
     X - Archive

     X - Save extended attributes

     It could also be a good idea to check on multimedia
compression in order to get better compression.  The rest is
merely of choice, especially the compression (six methods to
choose) whether to be for the best compression (slowest) or no
compression at all in simply storing the files (fastest).
     In order to backup your OS/2 drive, simply hit the "+" key and
push enter in order to highlight all the directories (or select
whichever one's you intend to backup).  Push F5 in order to
compress onto a disk/cart and use Autodetect method in order
to ensure spanning across disks/carts (or you can specify exactly
what size you want).  Very easy.
     
     Take Note: Do not use "UNRAR.EXE" to restore!  Otherwise you
     will get a "Desktop can not be found in OS2.INI file,
     attempting to create Temporary Desktop" error message, where
     the Temperary Desktop will also fail, leaving you sitting at
     the PM with one OS/2 Window session.
   
     In order to restore, place RAR.EXE onto the OS/2 bootable
diskettes.  Start RAR.EXE up, now go to wherever you have the
file backed up to, enter it, this will allow you view the files
that are compressed inside the archived file.  Once that is done,
hit the "+" key and press enter in order to highlight all the
files.  Now, press ALT-F4 in order to restore by choosing the
destination.  Simply put in "C:" or wherever your original boot
partition was.  Once all of it extracted, there you go.  I think we
have a winner.
   
     Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's) and a Warp
3 system (FP40 applied).

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ARJ/2 (v2.62) *UPDATE*
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu

     I confess that I have not yet tested ARJ/2, but I wouldn't
recommend using it just yet since it is still in a beta stage,
and does not save EA's.  But you could use EAUTIL in order to do
this for you, but that is a bit of a chore especially since the
other compression utilities here can do this automatically.  So
what would be the point?

     What's the point?  Well, it looks like there is quite a good
point now that RAR/2 has changed a bit.  I am guilty of letting
ARJ/2 go by the wayside.  Hopefully I can make ammends by getting
off my lazy duff and trying to figure out a way to get ARJ/2
working in this manner of B&D.  Now, as I said earlier ARJ/2 is

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 11:57:15
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: (2/2) Backup & Defragmentation 3.5

still in beta and does not save extended attributes.  The EA's are
as you know a pretty big deal for where OS/2 is concerned.  Luckily
there was help well before the ARJ/2 port was even started. 
EABACKUP & EARESTORE, two programs which make up EABK203.ZIP which
can be downloaded from Hobbes.  These utilities date way back to
1994!  Their sole purpose of being is to backup/restore OS/2's
extended attributes.
     Before I get started, be sure you use v2.61 and not v2.62, I
remember getting an email from the guy making the port.  He stated
that there is a bug with v2.62, problem is I can't remember for the
life of me on what that even was.  I think it had something to do
with the length of characters on a HPFS file name.  So, best use
v2.61 for now.  You will also noticed that there is a LX compressed
version available for download from Hobbes.  Good idea to nab that
one in order to stick onto the bootdisks.

     To backup OS/2, assuming your OS/2 drive is C: drive, run
ARJ/2:

arj a -a1 -b2 -jf -js -r -vvas X:/BACKUP.ARJ C:

     It will then go into its own command shell, just type in exit
and it will start packing away.
     To adjust compression method, the syntax is -m<0-4>.  0 is for
no compression (just storing), 1 is actually the best compression
which is the default.  2-4 being lower, 4 beingt the fastest
offering the least amount of compression.  Now, there is a way to
add build protection (-hk) but I would strongly recommend against
it.  I suppose this is like RAR/2's adding recovery record, but a
warning to anyone using it, it takes forever just to complete.  The
(-va) is to enable the autodetection disk spanning.  You can
specify the amount if you wish (eg. -v1440 for 1.44 MB floppies).
     Now, to backup the EA's:

EABACKUP C: X: /S

     This will create two files on the X: drive, EA@BDATA.EAB and
EA@INDEX.EAB.  Now you can format the C: drive.  To restore, run:

arj x X:/BACKUP.ARJ C: -vv -y

     Don't forget to restore the EA's!

EARESTOR X: C: /S

     Now you are set, reboot and everything should now be working.

     Personally tested under a Warp 3 system (FP39 applied).

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Note: I only intend to write about currently supported compression
utilities.  In otherwords, LHA and ZOO for instance I simply will
ignore.  Neither one has been updated since 1989-1993, and are
relatively old and obsolete given the others listed here.


Windows 95 - FAT32 (http://www.microsoft.com) - *UPDATED*
   
     So, you want to just dump OS/2 forever and head off into
merry merry Windows 95 land?  Well, I have not had the
opportunity to try this using Windows 95 on a VFAT partition,
but under FAT32, there is simply no way you can backup a
Windows 95 partition using stuff like PkZip for Windows or
WinRAR.  The problem is that there are certain locked files
at play.  PkZip for Windows did complete, but now you have the
even bigger problem of trying to restore it from a bootdisk.
Won't happen, I'm afraid.  When I tried this booting off of a
Windows 95 boot disk, running PkZip 2.50's PkUnZip utility, it
would not work because it complained of a lack of memory
(apparently the FAT32 support on the bootdisk takes up a lot
of memory as I'm always stuck with 542k conventional RAM).
The last hope was RAR for DOS, but that too also complained of
a lack of memory.  So, what's the point of using a Windows
compression utility in order to backup the entire Windows 95
partition if there is absolutely *NO* way of restoring it?
     Now, where exactly am I going with all this?  Simple,
thanks to the great FAT32 driver written by Henk Kelder, one
can actually follow the exact methods listed here with the
various compression utilities in order for OS/2 to backup
Windows 95 through OS/2!  Using RAR/2 in the identical manner
listed earlier will allow you to backup a Windows 95 partition.
Once backed up, you can boot up with the Windows 95 bootdisk
and then format the partition, re-boot back into OS/2 and use
RAR/2 in order to restore the Windows 95 partition back to
its previous state.  Now when you look at the disk with Norton
Speedisk or booting Windows 95 up with a bootdisk in order to
use ScanDisk (to see the entire disk information) you will see
all the clusters neatly arranged in perfect order.  No
fragmentation!  The advantage to using this method over using
programs like Microsoft Defrag or Norton Speedisk is that they
are not always perfect and can in fact at some times break
files.  My motivation in going to all of this trouble was
because after using Defrag, I found that one of my .WAV files
in my Multimedia Themes was broken and could not be accessible.
Imagine what else could break.
     I have not tried using Info-ZIP or PkZip for OS/2, but
I figure they would work with the same restrictions applied
(ie. Info-Zip no disk spanning, PkZip needing the Presentation
Manager).  In order to install Henk's FAT32 driver, I simply
followed the quicky instructions he had listed in the FAT32.TXT
file, using PARTFLT.FLT and not the OS2DASD.DMD file he had
modifyed (on my OS/2 box it trapped as a result).  On the
IFS=FAT32 line I did not have /EAS on (enabling Extended
Attribute support).
     So, do you *really* want to dump OS/2?  Didn't think
so.  A question...could this method work with Linux?  There
is a ext2 driver available for OS/2, that I know of.  Perhaps
that is something else for me to try and play with! ;-)

     Ok, I may have jumped the gun here. ;-)

     Apparently there is a way to do this under Windows 95 and I'll
assume Windows 98.  I won't bother detailing the methods but it
will require a piece of shareware called DOSLFNBK in order to
backup its long file names.  But, it is nice to know that one can
do this within OS/2 anyways.
     I am definately going to find out whether or not one can do
this with Linux.  There is an ext2 file system driver available for
OS/2.  The reason why is that I see no way of actually doing this
under Linux.


CONCLUSION

     The best compression program for backing up OS/2 with should
by right be RAR/2, but I can't get it working properly.  So the
title for "Best Compression Utility" is essential up for grabs. 
However, for those that have been using RAR/2 2.50 without any
problems should probably keep doing so.  I just hope that the
newest version of RAR/2 can be made to work since it does offer
some fixes.  As for the other compression utilities, each and
everyone one has their own little drawback.  Info-Zip is great,
until you want it to span across multiple disks/carts.  PkZip was
almost the one, but the folks at PkWare thought it was necessary
that the Presentation Manager be loaded with it, too.  The only
real drawback that ARJ/2 has is that it is still labelled as beta
software and I have not heard anything about it in the past year.
     Ironically enough, the heir apparent to RAR/2 2.50 looks like
it is a piece of beta software.  That's right.  ARJ/2.  Only you
will need EABK203.ZIP from Hobbes in order to really get it
working.  Hopefully, by the time ARJ/2 gets out of beta, one would
not need EABK203.ZIP anymore.  So for the people that have been
having problems with RAR/2 2.50 with the new OS/2 Warp for e-
Business, give ARJ/2 a go and report back to me.


BOOTOS/2 Notes: *UPDATE*
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu - latest version is 9.26

     The documentation in the latest version of BootOS/2 (9.26)
states that the problem being described later is supposed to be
now fixed.

     There seems to be a problem with Warp Connect & FP39 when
trying to make a BootOS/2 TARGET=x TYPE=PM partition.  It creates
it fine, but when I boot it up, it freezes at the "OS/2" box that
appears on the top left-hand corner.  Weird.  I could not boot
to a PM partition (BOOTOS2 TARGET=x TYPE=PM) even when I was back
down in FP26!  Same symptom occurs, during bootup it just freezes
at the "OS/2" box on the top left-hand corner.  The samething also
occurs in FP40, BTW.
     Even making just the floppies seems to cause a small error
with Warp 3 & Connect.  Under FP40, for instance, upon making the
two disk system (BOOTOS2 2DISK=A) after loading up the first disk
it would give me a blank screen and stop dead in its tracks,
going no further.  The solution, copy SESMGR.DLL from your
x:\OS2\DLL onto your BOOTOS2 disk 1 (A:\OS2\DLL).  This also
happened under FP39, BTW.  If you do run into any other kind of
problem with the BOOTOS2 floppies, press ALT-F2 upon booting up
the diskettes just to see what happens.  On this occasion for
example, upon pressing ALT-F2, the screen said that SESMGR.DLL
was not installed in any of the LIBPATH directory statements on
the diskette.
     Warp 4 seems to have absolutely no issues whatsoever, either
a TYPE=PM or 2DISK=A under any of the FP's I have used (FP1, FP6,
& FP10).


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 11:53:06
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

cbzh@my-deja.com wrote:

: text in digital form; mostly in these cases the PostScript or PDF
: solutions you describe are not feasible because the others have to edit
: the text (but for digital publishing they are of course perfect).

	True, PS/PDF are not exactly formats that allow one to edit, but it 
would be fun to scream at the other person, "What?!?  You mean you *don't*
have Adobe Acrobat Writer!  What kind of a dumbass are you!"  :-)

: technical side of the problem is mostly the crazy, continuously changing
: and only badly documented format "specification" for the DOC file
: format: Even if they want to and do their best, text processor
: programmers will _never_ be able to really fully support this format
: 1:1!

	No kidding.  MS has made their Word format a moving target.  
Hell, they even screw themselves on it sometimes.  Anyone running Word 
2000 trying to open a Word 2.0 or Word 5.5 document are almost helpless.  
The best is probably WordPerfect when it comes to working with their own 
file formats.  Working between WordPerfect 8 and WordPerfect 5.1 is 
pretty good in comparision with Word 2000 to say Word 5.5.

: PS: If you really like so much using plain text mode word processors:
: Did you ever try to do your work using TeX ??

	I've heard about TeX and LaTex a lot but had never the time to 
look into it more.  Is it easy to pick up?

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           11-Nov-99 15:03:22
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <991111110434.19114D-100000@bisv3.bedford.waii.com>, on 11/11/99 
   at 11:07 AM, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> said:

Steve,

PMR00052.ZIP was posted on testcase.boulder.ibm.com a couple of weeks
ago. You can grab a copy from my ftp:

ftp://protein.bio.msu.su/pub/os2/fixes/pmr00052.zip

It also contains a replacement keyboard.dcp. Just reboot in command line
or using boot floppies, rename FP12 versions of the corresponding files
on your system (\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP and \OS2\DLL\PMMERGE.DLL) and copy
over fixed versions, then reboot again.

It does not fix all of my problems with FP12, but at least I can use my
system for more than one day now :).

There's another unofficial post-FP12 fix available, with a new version
of kernel, but I did not tried it yet.

Cheers,
Ivan

P.S. Sorry for poor access to my server, our Internet connectivity
really sucks at the moment :-(. Please, use wget or any other FTP client
supporting REST option.

>I'm at FP12 also. What's the unofficial pmr00052 fix???

>On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

>î At which fixpak level your Warp 4 system is? I am having severe
>problems î with FP12 here, with Comm 4.61 being pretty unusable since
>applying FP12 î due to memory leak in pmmerge.dll (confirmed by people
>from IBM). î Unofficial pmr00052 fix improves the situation a bit, but
>I still having î occasional WPS hangs, mainly after attempting to exit
>Comm 4.61 and LSS î 1.1. This system used to run in 24/7 mode very
>stably prior to FP12. î 
>î Cheers,
>î Ivan
>î 
>î >My Warp 4 machine won't stay up for much more than a few days before
>it î >dies and the longest it's ever been up before crashing is 9 days.
>Most î >of the time it's just sitting there running the RC5DES client
>but it î >gets "proper" use during the evenings and weekends.
>î 
>î >Whenever it crashes, it seems more than coincidental that Comm/2
>4.61 î >is running. Last night, after 4 days, it died and Process
>Commander î >showed that netscape.exe was trying to exit and so was the
>first î >instance of pmshell. Nothing could be done except reboot. î 
>î >Because I'm just a home user, it's not critical but it is annoying.
>I î >often hear people say that their machines have been up for weeks
>or î >months but why my machine won't stay up is beyond me. Maybe if I
>didn't î >run  Comm/2 I'd not have a crash but that's not not really an
>option as î >there is no viable alternative to Comm/2.
>î 
>î >So, am I barking up the wrong tree? Is Comm/2 to blame or not? Has ¯
>>anyone else who keeps their machine running constantly had reason to
>î >suspect that Comm/2 brings down their machine?
>î 
>î >Any advice will be appreciated.
>î 
>î >Cheers,
>î >Steve
>î 
>î >Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
>î >Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
>î >Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517
>î 
>î 
>î -- 
>î -----------------------------------------------------------
>î "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
>î -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           11-Nov-99 07:50:00
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <382A56B5.54B25260@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>, on 11/11/99 at 05:43 AM,
   "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> said:

> > Or am I out of step with the marketplace here?

> Yes, you are.  And, in my opinion, completely out of line.

The very first time I ran the egg, you won, Jeffrey. Is that coded into it
or was it pure random chance?


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           11-Nov-99 07:59:04
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-oQE7RGbDdlt0@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>, on
11/10/99 at 01:27 PM,
   donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) said:

> Or am I out of step with the marketplace here? Y'all want everybody's 
> systems everywhere loaded down with junk like this, instead of having
> trim, solid, stable, secure, fast-working browsers? All in favor, raise
> your  cotton candy cones over your empty heads and wave them.

Chill out! The little egg takes less than 4K bytes. If you want to
complain, complain about aaaaa.exe which is installed every time you load
Warp. That little egg takes up about 99K. 

Anyone remember the key combination to run this one? 


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From: cmhall@umich.edu                                  11-Nov-99 13:28:04
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: Printing won't start from Win-OS2

From: cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall)

In <9ddCdfeFk555-pn2-O1oxFF7t6x8l@localhost>, fwkirk@ibm.net (Frank Kirk)
writes:
>On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:32:35, cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall) wrote:
>
>> I just installed an HP LJ 1100 and OS/2 printing works fine. DOS printing
>> is fine. However, when printing from Win-OS2, the printer won't accept
>> characters until it's "jostled", either by hitting the "Go" button (which
also
snip

>
>	Is your Win-OS2 default printer set to LPT1?  If so, you probably 
>need to change it to LPT1.OS2.
>
>FWK

No, this doesn't help. What has helped a lot is removing all printers and
recreating them fresh, so there was some problem with the spooling system.
Now, it usually prints, but occasionally needs a kick, either from Win-OS2
or now sometimes even from OS/2 printing.


Chris Hall  (cmhall@umich.edu)
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: letoured@nospam.net                               11-Nov-99 08:32:04
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: letoured@nospam.net

>A main feature I will miss very much if I ever would need to switch again
>to another text processor is the possibility to mark discontinuous blocks
>of text, also using criteria like "mark everything that is bold" or
>"everything that is italic and 12pt", and then apply the one or other
>function on that block: I don't know any other text processor with this
>powerful capability!

FrameMaker can. It also handles color. Of course it costs more.

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  11-Nov-99 14:11:24
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <80ean8$8d5$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
  jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:

[...]

> : PS: If you really like so much using plain text mode word
processors:
> : Did you ever try to do your work using TeX ??
>
> 	I've heard about TeX and LaTex a lot but had never the time to
> look into it more.  Is it easy to pick up?

I'm sure it takes a while to get into it: It is rather a "document
compiler" than a text processor in the sense we are used to today, but
it seems to be rather good after what I heard ;-)

Right now I am downloading it with the intention to give it a second
try. When I did that the last time some years ago I had two problems:

1. Resources: With my "big" 100MB hard disk I run into problems with the
font files. In the meantime hard disks have grown AND Tex/LaTeX seems to
support Adobe Type1 fonts: I will see...

2. Support for non-english languages was, well, a bit rudimentary: You
could not just use Umlaut or accented characters, but they had to be
entered with a special prefix, like "a for ä (a Umlaut in case you get
it wrong...). So I could not even write my name properly... This has
changed now as well.

I will also have to look around what tools there are by now to make the
writing/viewing/printing cycle as comfortable as possible: We will
see...

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemühl

cbockem@datacomm.ch


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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  11-Nov-99 14:29:06
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:12:44, cbzh@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <80d6nu$njr$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
>   jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:
---------------snip----------------

> Interesting: You seem to have gone a similar way than I have, starting
> with WordPerfect/DOS to Describe/OS2, both being discontinued by their
> makers. Mine went on to "Papyrus" (OS/2) which comes from the Atari
> world AFAIK and which is still being further developed (It only seems
> that their plans and announcements go sometimes much further than their
> capabilities to realize things, but this looks familiar to everybody
> ever having programmed the one or other project :-)) See
> http://www.rom-logicware.com/start.htm where they are talking about the
> english language version of the program "coming out every moment"...: I
> hope for you it will really do!

FWIW, they were talking about "an English version any moment" two years 
ago. The more things change, the more they are the same.

---------------snip----------------

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     11-Nov-99 14:36:26
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Bob Germer wrote:

> The very first time I ran the egg, you won, Jeffrey. Is that coded into it
> or was it pure random chance?

It uses the Random function of Javascript, so it's as "pure
random chance" as any other computer algorithm.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            11-Nov-99 14:33:25
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

Thanks for the info, Ivan. I'll give it a try and see how I get on.

Cheers,
Steve

Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 1234 224404
Fax: +44 (0) 1234 224517


On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

î Steve,
î 
î PMR00052.ZIP was posted on testcase.boulder.ibm.com a couple of weeks
î ago. You can grab a copy from my ftp:
î 
î ftp://protein.bio.msu.su/pub/os2/fixes/pmr00052.zip
î 
î It also contains a replacement keyboard.dcp. Just reboot in command line
î or using boot floppies, rename FP12 versions of the corresponding files
î on your system (\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP and \OS2\DLL\PMMERGE.DLL) and copy
î over fixed versions, then reboot again.
î 
î It does not fix all of my problems with FP12, but at least I can use my
î system for more than one day now :).
î 
î There's another unofficial post-FP12 fix available, with a new version
î of kernel, but I did not tried it yet.
î 
î Cheers,
î Ivan
î 
î P.S. Sorry for poor access to my server, our Internet connectivity
î really sucks at the moment :-(. Please, use wget or any other FTP client
î supporting REST option.
î 
î >I'm at FP12 also. What's the unofficial pmr00052 fix???

[..snip..]

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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     11-Nov-99 14:37:19
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Bob Germer wrote:

> Chill out! The little egg takes less than 4K bytes. If you want to
> complain, complain about aaaaa.exe which is installed every time you load
> Warp. That little egg takes up about 99K.
>
> Anyone remember the key combination to run this one?

Ctrl-Alt-Shift-O after clicking on the WPS desktop.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: letoured@nospam.net                               11-Nov-99 09:36:28
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: letoured@nospam.net

David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:

>Twice in a row I made your mom feel like a real woman. Having you did
>turn her  off to sex, but I fixed that.

>Would you like pictures of her and me together? She is one great piece of
>ass.

Are you an out-patient? 

Its been a long time since I've had Abnormal Psychology, but your constant
obsession with your pee pee is a manifestation of a serious derangement
that needs treatment. 

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           11-Nov-99 09:43:25
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <382ad48a$3$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, on 11/11/99 at 09:36 AM,
   letoured@nospam.net said:

> Are you an out-patient? 

Nah, they have computers in nut houses these days. <G>

> Its been a long time since I've had Abnormal Psychology, but your
> constant obsession with your pee pee is a manifestation of a serious
> derangement that needs treatment. 

Amen!

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From: kenkahn@us.ibm.com                                11-Nov-99 09:45:04
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Kenneth Kahn <kenkahn@us.ibm.com>

> All easter eggs are grotesque wastes of resources

If you're running a WARP4 system then, you better not make the desktop the
foreground/active
window (click anywhere on it) and issue Ctrl-Alt-Shift-O (requires additional
bitmaps to be
installed; I don't remember if this works for WARP3).

Ken Kahn - IBM P/390 Software Development (and BOOTOS2 Author)
Internet : kenkahn@us.ibm.com
   Lotus : Kenneth Kahn/Poughkeepsie/IBM@IBMUS
      VM : kenkahn@ibmusm10


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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           11-Nov-99 15:07:16
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:45:08, Kenneth Kahn <kenkahn@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> If you're running a WARP4 system then, you better not make the desktop the
> foreground/active
> window (click anywhere on it) and issue Ctrl-Alt-Shift-O (requires
additional
> bitmaps to be
> installed; I don't remember if this works for WARP3).
> 

And it's sttill there in Warp 4.5 (WSeB)

Lorne Sunley

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From: wpotato@hotmail.com                               11-Nov-99 15:32:13
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: difference between OS/2 warp server and OS/2 warp 4..

From: wpotato@hotmail.com (Christopher)

hai:

	i really need some explanation here.
	to all the OS/2 user out there, could anyone tell me that what
is the difference between OS/2 Warp server and OS/2 Warp 4?

	i am thinking of using OS/2 Warp 4 but what i have got from my
uncle is OS/2 Warp server. are they the same and if it's not, what's
the difference between those?

	the answer is needed in urgent. thanks in advance for your
answer. please reply to my mail box:

	wpotatoii@yahoo.com.

thanks again.

christ.
Malaysia.

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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             11-Nov-99 10:47:28
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: Re: difference between OS/2 warp server and OS/2 warp 4..

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

[Posted and mailed]

Warp Server has features that are not in Warp 4, but it is based on Warp
3. I believe it is possible to add the Warp Server features to Warp 4.

Alan


Christopher wrote:

> hai:
>
>         i really need some explanation here.
>         to all the OS/2 user out there, could anyone tell me that what
> is the difference between OS/2 Warp server and OS/2 Warp 4?
>
>         i am thinking of using OS/2 Warp 4 but what i have got from my
> uncle is OS/2 Warp server. are they the same and if it's not, what's
> the difference between those?
>
>         the answer is needed in urgent. thanks in advance for your
> answer. please reply to my mail box:
>
>         wpotatoii@yahoo.com.
>
> thanks again.
>
> christ.
> Malaysia.

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  11-Nov-99 15:39:23
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <382ac559$2$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>,
  letoured@nospam.net wrote:
> >A main feature I will miss very much if I ever would need to switch
again
> >to another text processor is the possibility to mark discontinuous
blocks
> >of text, also using criteria like "mark everything that is bold" or
> >"everything that is italic and 12pt", and then apply the one or other
> >function on that block: I don't know any other text processor with
this
> >powerful capability!
>
> FrameMaker can. It also handles color. Of course it costs more.
>

...and doesn't probably come on 2 or 3 _diskettes_ (not CDs !!),
including dictionaries for several languages...

...and doesn't run on OS/2, AFAIK...

...and finally plays in another ligue: "DTP" vs. "text processors"...

Cornelis Bockemühl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>

> _____________
> Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
>
>


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From: wwiv@pppproject.org                               11-Nov-99 09:54:27
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: bootos2

From: "Dilbert Firestorm" <wwiv@pppproject.org>

I can't get bootos2 working at all.

I tried to create a maintence boot partition where the swap partition is
located which is on drive D:.  The OS/2 is on drive E:.

It gives me an error message "invalid invocation parameter e:\"

I'm using a newly refreshed Warp 3.0 fixpak 38

what am doing wrong?



Origin: Nuclear Wasteland * 504-394-0509


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Nov-99 15:50:17
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 05:51:52, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> a Úcrit dans un message:

> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> > For kicks, look at the Warp credits Easter Egg, and try to find more than
> > 10 of those names still at IBM.
> 
> You'll find both Mike and myself in that list, if you wait around
> long enough for the K's, plus a couple of others from our team.
> And certainly more than 10 in total.

Thanks for the report. It's good to hear that, because of course there 
*are* a lot of them that went missing after the move from Boca Raton. And 
then again after Warp 4 was released.


> 
> But should I have admitted that?  Oh, no... that means my
> name is taking up TWICE as much space on your hard drive,
> being in the credits for both Warp and Communicator!  Oh,
> the horror of waste!

Yes, well, either you're a believer in Low Impact Living or you're not. 
Resources are *not* infinite, none of them are, and the sooner we all begin
acting like they're precious, the better our chances of not souring this 
beautiful planet into a stagnant algae pond.

NETSCAPE.EXE unLXLITEs into an about 8,000,000 byte executable. Forgive me 
and correct me quickly if I'm misinformed about how these things operate, 
but doesn't that mean it takes up that much RAM, first, when you click on 
it? Is there any precedent for having a single OS/2 executable that big? 

> 
> Ah, never mind... you said you deleted that other metafile,
> so it's safe.  Whew, that was a close one.

Don't worry, it will show up again after the next time I do an Install, 
right?

The point is, I was able to delete it after I'd read it once. Those 
damnable things built inside NETSCAPE.EXE are not electables, and they're 
sucking resources every tick of the clock. I'm the trashy type and like my 
playpretties as much as the next feller, and have my desktop junked up with
animated cursors and CandyBar titlebars and NPSWPS and so on, but I am not 
forced to do it so I like them better. (And when I have to get things 
working on a laptop, I leave them out to make it run visibly better. 
Loading any Netscape/2 past 2.02 on the laptop brings the system to a 
shuddering halt.)



--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Nov-99 15:50:19
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:38:23, mmellin@home.com (Mark Mellin) a Úcrit dans 
un message:

> 
> I don't know this Buddy fella is, but he must be the Scrooge of
> HDD space !!  (I can just see him individually counting the bytes
> and frowning when he sees two bits missing from his HDD as caused
> by a NOP instruction !!)

God, don't ya know it! I've done that!

I even search for and delete PURCHASE.EXE and FILE_ID.DIZ files that are 
both small and don't get in the way. Luckily, they don't load into RAM 
every time I want to check the WX.


> 
> These programmers slave away in the bowels of faceless corporate
> America (I imagine that IBM is quite a "bowel") - the most
> recognition they'll probably see for their effort is; the end-user
> blankly staring at a clever little animation with their names....

No complaint whatsoever with these folks giving themselves credit. The 
question is, what's the best way to do it? In this case, they picked the 
worst way, and it costs us all actual money to deal with it.



snipt
> 
> -OR- unload Communicator and run the old IBM WebEx thingy, it will
>  SAVE YOU TONS OF VERY IMPORTANT BYTES !!!

You're right, it does. It's still my first choice browser, on any machine, 
mainly because goes from site to site much faster. I kick start Netscape 
only to access sites written for frames, or Javascript I actually want to 
make use of. (I've got SmartCache set up to share cache between the two, 
which works really really well to speed things up when I decide to use 
Netscape instead.)



--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: mikelrob@flash.net                                11-Nov-99 15:57:12
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: Re: Smack,  CM2 won't run

From: mikelrob@flash.net (Michael Robertson)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 05:40:34, Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net> 
wrote:

> Hello Michael,
> 
> Michael Robertson wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:59:14, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > If REXX isn't working, try running SWITCHRX from the command line.
> > > That will turn ObjectREXX on (or off), but at the least it may kick
> > > start REXX into working again.
> > 
> >         I did but it didn't.  I must have done something during the last
> > three weeks or so that changed the environment but I can't remember
> > anything that might affect REXX.
> > 
> >         Michael
> > 
> > ***Live simply, that others may simply live.***
> 
> When you run SWITCHRX , did it produce any errors ?
> If not, then your REXX installation is ok, as SWITCHRX is a 
> REXX command file itself.
> If this is the case, then you're on the wrong road on hunting the
> errors with Smack and CM2.
> 
> Bye/2
> Meinolf

	When I ran SWITCHRX it didn't produce anything, just a return to the 
command line.  I'm somewhat embarrassed to say that it finally 
occurred to me to use an earlier archive of my desktop.  When I did 
so, Smack, CM2 and the REXX sample program all worked so I assume 
Esther was right and I had made a change in my PATH or LIBPATH 
statements.  I sort of wish I had saved the statements from the 
disfunctional desktop to compare them.  In the eight years or so I've 
been using OS/2, I've never seen this symptom.

	Thanks to you and Esther for your suggestions.

	Michael
***Live simply, that others may simply live.***

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From: nenad@my-deja.com                                 11-Nov-99 16:13:10
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Nenad Milenkovic <nenad@my-deja.com>

  donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:

> Where have all the coders gone? Long time, over. Dead opposite
> attitude, there.
>
> Even though RAM is cheaper than it was in 1977, they should still be
> thinking, "Goodie, I can chop *another* 4K from this pig." Knowing
> that it gets multiplied the world over.

Such optimizations ususally makes maintenance harder.

Nenad


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           11-Nov-99 14:31:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> Thanks for the report. It's good to hear that, because of course there
> *are* a lot of them that went missing after the move from Boca Raton. And
> then again after Warp 4 was released.

People come and go all the time, but you are obviously making
some assumptions about which you couldn't possibly have all of
the details.

> Yes, well, either you're a believer in Low Impact Living or you're not.

I guess I'm not.  I try not to be exorbitantly wasteful, but I won't
sacrifice my own enjoyment just for the purpose of conservation.

> Is there any precedent for having a single OS/2 executable that big?

Probably, but that's a moot point.  That's how Netscape designed
it, and that's how it is.  If the next version they produce is more
modular, then ours will be too (if we do another port, of course).

> The point is, I was able to delete it after I'd read it once. Those
> damnable things built inside NETSCAPE.EXE are not electables, and they're
> sucking resources every tick of the clock.

There's no way we'd have gotten approval to add a new file to
the installation to lay down just the authors page separately.  As
for the rest of the "damnable" embedded HTML in the program,
there is necessary stuff there (like program info, page templates,
etc)....

You really have no idea how much "wasted" space there is with
every program you have, do you?

I bet you cringe when you crack open a new book and see that
blank sheet before the title page.  Heck, why have a title page
at all, when the title is on the cover?  Those wasteful heathens....

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           11-Nov-99 14:45:27
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> So, you not only get to learn new languages on company time

Yup!  In fact, they'll even send us to classes during work hours
so we can learn new languages and other stuff!  Cool, huh?
That's calling "keeping up with current technologies", which is
a very important part of staying competitive in the marketplace.

> I hope you made use of the built-in Javascript debugger ("mocha:") as you
> were working? It's pretty handy for that purpose, actually, and I see it's
> still in there.

Yes, I did.  (You can use "javascript:" as well...)

> By the way, most Javascript is used on websites as client-side script, and
> it's a lot more efficient for the world at large to do as much as possible
> on the server.

Javascript is becoming a more and more widely used language for
Internet-technology purposes, both client and server-side.

> So, instead of pointing to an Internet URL (like the Fishcam, still at
> Ctrl-Alt-F) or even a quick jump to an external file, as with about:marca
> and about:timm )

All of those are Internet URLs.  We don't have that flexibility.

> it's all built inside the executable and loaded into RAM
> (along with all the other InternalURL "features") on everybody's machine
> every time it's loaded?

Yup!  Want me to add in a special bit just to appear on your machine
next time?

> I'm not begrudging you your publishing of your opinion, but I'm sorry you
> can't see the potential value to everybody of at least considering, and
> thinking about, these issues.

I'm afraid I've succumbed to the deadly sin of vanity, and didn't think
that adding 2K to a 10MB download was a really big deal.  Would you
be happy if we just took out the racing stuff, or do I have to remove the
entire list of names from the credits?  How can I atone for my terrible
transgression?

> We're talking Physical Laws of Nature, here, so, no hard feelings. You'll
> come around, someday. You'll have to. The sky will be falling. Stock prices
> will be dropping off the edge of the earth, just like in 1987, only this
> time everybody will be trying to use not their telephones but their
> browsers to get through to SellSellSell and won't be able to. BMWs will get
> repoed, houses will go on the market, laid-off wageearners will turn to
> strong drink and start beating their spouses. All because of that one
> innocent little undeletable Easter Egg.

Nice to see a strong proponent of Chaos Theory.  Please stop... I'm
laughing so hard, I might cause a nearby butterfly to flap its wings a
little differently, which might alter the flow of pollen in the air,
causing a seed to alight upon a pile of dirt and grow into a flower,
which a small child will notice and be distracted from catching the
pop fly baseball coming towards him.... oh, what have I done?!?

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: rubbe@ibm.net                                     11-Nov-99 18:37:10
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop

From: Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net>

Thanks Bob,  it works, but it has some problems ...

Trying to use "Expense" gets a message about W32SCOMB.DLL :

"Function ... is not at W32SCOMB.DLL"

The same error occurs when trying to use the HOTSYNC ...

All other functions is working ...

I've tried to copy W32SCOMB.DLL from WIN32S 1.30 but after this I get a
message that WINDOWS doesn't have suficient memory to load the aplication
...

Do you have this same problems ??  I'm using PILOT DESKTOP for PALM
PROFESSIONAL (3120PRO.EXE) ...

Thanks ...

Cassio Roberto Pellegrim
CasRob@br.ibm.com




Bob Eager wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:42:07, Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net>
> wrote:
>
> > It's about how to run Pilot Desktop 1.0 (Win32S 1.30) at WINOS/2 ....
> >
> > We're waiting for a pointer from someone that could run this and he'll
> > create a HTML with the procedures ...
>
> Here it is:
>
>     http://www.tavi.co.uk/os2pages/pilot.html
>
> --
> Bob Eager
> rde at tavi.co.uk
> PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
> 8580*6,
> 8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  11-Nov-99 15:21:22
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: mchasson@ibm.net

In <382a9f52$1$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>, on 11/11/99 at 01:45 PM,
   "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> said:

>In <991111085533.19114B-100000@bisv3.bedford.waii.com>, on 11/11/99 
>   at 09:41 AM, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> said:

>At which fixpak level your Warp 4 system is? I am having severe problems
>with FP12 here, with Comm 4.61 being pretty unusable since applying FP12
>due to memory leak in pmmerge.dll (confirmed by people from IBM).
>Unofficial pmr00052 fix improves the situation a bit, but I still having
>occasional WPS hangs, mainly after attempting to exit Comm 4.61 and LSS
>1.1. This system used to run in 24/7 mode very stably prior to FP12.

>Cheers,
>Ivan
Just out of curiosity, is this still the ASUS p55t2p4 MB?  And is it the
Intel HX chip set that they (IBM) are having trouble with again?

Regards from NYC.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51 

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           11-Nov-99 13:41:24
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA on WSeB and german Umlauts: Font Problem

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

I have no idea at all what you are referring to. The codepage it is running in 
is irrelevant.

On an OS/2 Warp 4 850 system with FixPak 5 or greater applied, using the Times 
New Roman Mt
30 font, you can see:

Japanese, Greek, Cyrillic, etc. etc.

There is no need for codepage switching by the user.

When we create the font in the app, we tell the OS what codepage we need. You
don't have to
do anything.

Mike Kaply
IBM



hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

>okay, now I am totally confused. In an Endless Quest to make dbcs work
>in OS/2 I've discovered that IBM's answer to the international languages
>problem is "codepage switching." From what I can discover, using a unicode
>font in a locale-aware app opened *from the codepage it was generated
>in*  is the only way you can guarantee that what you'll see is what was
>written.  Obviously this isn't gonna work very well over the Internet, where
>webpages are written locally using whatever codepage that language uses . . .
>so how *does* a program such as Netscape correctly display pages in German,
>in Rumanian, in Simplified Chinese when the app is opened from a codepage
>437 or 850 environment ?

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           11-Nov-99 13:44:17
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: Re: Attach PMMail to Netscape?

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

I have published the interface - it is at Steve Wendt's page.

If the PMMAIL folks want to use it, they can integrate easily.

Mike Kaply
IBM

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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              11-Nov-99 21:50:00
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: alan@min.net.notspam

In <382abe35$2$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>, on 11/11/99 
   at 07:59 AM, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> said:

>> trim, solid, stable, secure, fast-working browsers? All in favor, raise
>> your  cotton candy cones over your empty heads and wave them.

>Chill out! The little egg takes less than 4K bytes. If you want to

It's hardly a big deal.  The guys worked hard on Comm 4.61, and gave it to
us gratis.  If they want to stick a little easter egg in there in return,
bully for them.  The price is right.


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From: lamikr@cc.jyu.fi                                  11-Nov-99 22:23:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: lamikr <lamikr@cc.jyu.fi>

> > Anyone remember the key combination to run this one?
>
> Ctrl-Alt-Shift-O after clicking on the WPS desktop.

Nice! I really like easter eggs.
I was also really suprised when I found runners in Netscape and I spend at
least
five minutes for watching the race again and again!!!

Mika


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From: chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk                       11-Nov-99 08:52:16
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk (Chris H Lindley)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:35:41 -0600, postmaster@[127.0.0.1] wrote:
>In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-oQE7RGbDdlt0@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>, on
>11/10/99 
>   at 01:27 PM, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) said:
>
>>Or am I out of step with the marketplace here? Y'all want everybody's 
>>systems everywhere loaded down with junk like this, instead of having
>>trim, solid, stable, secure, fast-working browsers? All in favor, raise
>>your  cotton candy cones over your empty heads and wave them.
>
>Got a bee in your bandwidth, Buddy?  That's gotta be one of the longest
>letters I've read in a long time.

Well it must be!!

Changi (the news server getting all my usenet stuff fro me, filters
out all articles above 500 lines!!)  and I never saw this
article!!!!!

My god Buddy, I never saw such stuff since the BD/OD/BW wars!!! (grin)

Cheers
Chris



-- 
ATGCTGCTAGTCGTAGCATGCTGCTTGATCGATGCGGTACGTGATGATCGTAGCTAGCTGGGCTAGTGG
Ý  Chris H. Lindley                                  Yorkshire, UK  ¦
Ý  chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk     Ferg on #os/2 and #os2uk, EFnet  ¦
Ý  WarpUK:UK OS/2 Users group                   www.warp.in-uk.net  ¦
Ý  Molecular Biology & OS/2               www.scotgate.demon.co.uk  ¦
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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               11-Nov-99 17:18:27
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:36:57 -0500, letoured@nospam.net wrote:

>David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:
>
>>Twice in a row I made your mom feel like a real woman. Having you did
>>turn her  off to sex, but I fixed that.
>
>>Would you like pictures of her and me together? She is one great piece of
>>ass.
>
>Are you an out-patient? 
>
>Its been a long time since I've had Abnormal Psychology, but your constant
>obsession with your pee pee is a manifestation of a serious derangement
>that needs treatment. 
>


This is what McCoy resorts to after he can no longer answer my questions with
out have to basically admit how bad M$ sucks in comparison to OS/2. 

He knows M$ could have given windoze HPFS, and saved the constant
fragmentation slow down and other file problems and it bothers him.
He knows there are 100's of First Aid kits for windoze because it sucks.
He knows how virus prone windoze is, while I can log on 24/7 with no virus
software.

He last answer was I am ignorant because I stuck to the better OS.

Bye Bye, McCoy


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: slinaza@bezeroak.euskaltel.es                     12-Nov-99 00:15:08
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: HELP! Trouble with gs5.10 & emx

From: SLM <slinaza@bezeroak.euskaltel.es>

Hi,

I am unable to print with ghostscript 5.10 and emx09d due to a sys3171
error, the system complaints of insufficient stack space for exception
handlers (if anyone needs the register information drop an e-mail).
emx.dll seems to be the one causing the error, it never happened with an
older version. (emx08*)

Any hints?

Thanks in advance

SLM

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From: kenkahn@aol.com                                   11-Nov-99 23:08:00
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 19:59:16
Subj: Re: difference between OS/2 warp server and OS/2 warp 4..

From: kenkahn@aol.com (Kenkahn)

> what is the difference between OS/2 Warp server and
> OS/2 Warp 4?

If you're talking about the products named "OS/2 Warp Server" or
"OS/2 Warp Server Advanced", they're both based on WARP4; the
4 in their title refers to Lan Server V4.  The new Warp Server for
E-Business (Aurora) is based on WARP4+FP10, and also comes with LS.

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From: kenkahn@aol.com                                   11-Nov-99 23:04:26
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 21:27:03
Subj: Re: bootos2

From: kenkahn@aol.com (Kenkahn)

>It gives me an error message "invalid >invocation parameter e:\"

It would help if you showed the BOOTOS2
command you used, with any invocation
arguments.


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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    11-Nov-99 23:55:15
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 21:27:03
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:59:09, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
wrote:

> complain, complain about aaaaa.exe which is installed every time you load
> Warp. That little egg takes up about 99K. 

Only if you install 'optional bitmaps'.....I think.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: marky_marky@bellatlantic.net                      11-Nov-99 22:42:17
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 21:27:03
Subj: Re: Backup & Defragmentation 3.5

From: marky_marky@bellatlantic.net (Marky)

On 11 Nov 1999 11:57:31 GMT, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John
Hong) wrote:

>
>                  Backup & Defragmentation 3.5
>
snip!
>     I'm sure some will ask, "But John, what about PowerQuest's
>Drive Image or Norton's Ghost?"  Well, there really is no problem
>with those programs.  They do as advertised, they backup the hard
>drive into an image.  That image can be restored onto a single
>machine (or if you have the Drive Image Pro) onto a network of
>multiple machines.  Unfortunately, the problem with disk imaging
>programs like those is that they do absolutely nothing about the
>fragmentation of the file system.  Keep in mind, programs like
>Drive Image and Ghost simply make a *mirror* image of the hard
>drive's partitions.  This means that not only does it copy the
>data, but also the holes that whatever file system left behind
>after days, months, years, etc. of disk thrashing.  In a nut shell,
>Drive Image and Ghost not only copy the hard drive data, but also
>the fragmentation of the file system.  This is where this little
>primer really comes into play.  Of course, the advantage with
>something like Drive Image Pro is the ability to restore onto a
>multitude of networked computers.  Something that would be a pretty
>big pain in the butt by this method.

While I agree with you that Drive Image saves an image _with_ the
fragmentation, Ghost does not work that way. From personal experience,
(FAT only) I can tell you that Ghost does file by file copying to and
from saved images. It is also saving additional info besides just the
files so it can restore the paritioning and boot sector info (for the
drive and each partition). The file by file copying means that on
restores, all the files and the free space are defragmented. I haven't
experienced directory fragmentation, but it may be possible with
directories that require more than one cluster: I just don't know.

Unfortunately, at least as of 5.1c, you are correct that you can't use
Ghost for backup and restore. The 5.1c version, saving on a file by
file basis, does not understand the additional info in the directory
entry that links an OS/2 file to EA DATA. SF (at least on FAT
partitions: I never tried it on HPFS). The result being, on a restore,
the EA info is totally corrupted. This is supposedly fixed in 5.1d,
which I have, but I haven't tried it on a partition with EAs yet. Or,
you could use EABACKUP and EARESTOR, as you suggest for
other tools that don't understand EAs.

Marky

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From: Peter.Weilbacher@T-Online.de                      12-Nov-99 01:07:21
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 21:27:04
Subj: Re: Memory full??

From: Peter.Weilbacher@T-Online.de

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:01:35, Carsten Thorenz 
<thorenz@hydromech.uni-hannover.de> wrote:

> I had a similar problem some time ago. My system has 128MB + plenty
> of swap and told me something about "memory full" (though it wasn't). 
> 
> After some trying I've come to the impression that some kind of
> other resources was used up. It came up shortly after using a 
> fixpack and after upgrading to FP12 the problem seems to have 
> vanished again.

Thanks for the reply. I forgot in the first posting that I already have 
FP12 
installed. Perhaps I try to re-apply it...

Greetings,
	Peter.

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    11-Nov-99 23:59:28
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 21:27:04
Subj: Re: Pilot Desktop

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:37:20, Cassio Roberto Pellegrim <rubbe@ibm.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Bob,  it works, but it has some problems ...

> I've tried to copy W32SCOMB.DLL from WIN32S 1.30 but after this I get a
> message that WINDOWS doesn't have suficient memory to load the aplication

> Do you have this same problems ??  I'm using PILOT DESKTOP for PALM
> PROFESSIONAL (3120PRO.EXE) ...

This doesn't sound like Palm Desktop 1.0. And that's all I've tried. 
Subsequent versions NEED Win32s 1.30, I'm told, and that won't work.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     12-Nov-99 00:22:01
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 21:27:04
Subj: Re: difference between OS/2 warp server and OS/2 warp 4..

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 11 Nov 1999 23:08:01 GMT, Kenkahn wrote:

->> what is the difference between OS/2 Warp server and
->> OS/2 Warp 4?
->
->If you're talking about the products named "OS/2 Warp Server" or
->"OS/2 Warp Server Advanced", they're both based on WARP4; the
->4 in their title refers to Lan Server V4.  The new Warp Server for
->E-Business (Aurora) is based on WARP4+FP10, and also comes with LS.

Hey Ken, the gremlins have been at your keyboard again and moved the 4 key
over to the left one... OS/2 Warp Server is based on Warp *3* not 4 (but
you know that).


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: hood@eng.sun.com                                  11-Nov-99 17:05:24
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:01
Subj: Quicken 98 to end Quicken Credit Card transaction downloads

From: Mark Hood <hood@eng.sun.com>

Intuit has informed me through the mail that in order to continue
downloading credit card transactions from Quicken Credit Card issued by
Travelers Bank I would have to upgrade to Quicken 2000 Deluxe by November
15.  Quicken 98 is the last 16-bit version of Quicken, so it is the last
version that will run in Win-OS2.

I've communicated with the support people and it seems unlikely that a patch
will be issued for Quicken 98 to allow it to continue transactions with
their new server, but they didn't rule it out.  If no patch will be
available, it seems my options are to either get an account with a big bank
like Wells Fargo that supports on-line banking directly with Quicken 98, or
boot into a W32 OS for Quicken 2000.

I'd hate to either stop using my credit union or have to boot a Windows OS.
I'm hoping that if there are any others in my situation and they communicate
their concerns to Intuit we may be able to get a patch from them, but if I'm
alone with this problem I guess I'll have to deal with it somehow.  

Anybody else in this boat?

-- Mark Hood

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From: kenkahn@us.ibm.com                                11-Nov-99 20:21:21
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:01
Subj: Re: difference between OS/2 warp server and OS/2 warp 4..

From: Kenneth Kahn <kenkahn@us.ibm.com>

Trevor Hemsley wrote:

> Hey Ken, the gremlins have been at your keyboard again and moved the 4 key
> over to the left one... OS/2 Warp Server is based on Warp *3* not 4 (but
> you know that).

*sigh* That's what I meant to write, thanks.

Ken Kahn - IBM P/390 Software Development (and BOOTOS2 Author)
Internet : kenkahn@us.ibm.com
   Lotus : Kenneth Kahn/Poughkeepsie/IBM@IBMUS
      VM : kenkahn@ibmusm10


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From: gzimmer@attglobal.net                             12-Nov-99 01:34:10
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:01
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: gzimmer@attglobal.net

donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:

>With all due respect, this is crap.
>
>All easter eggs are grotesque wastes of resources, neither helpful nor 
>harmless, just useless lines of code buried inside the original copy of 
>program source.....

De-lurking, just to comment on your very entertaining post. Loved the
Letterman show smirky stuff, and I will speak as a slack-jawed yokel
in defense of 'easter eggs'. <grin>. 

It was great fun in the old DOS days, to whip out the hex editor and
look in some of the game files. Origins Ultima series comes to mind, man,
those guys hated EA! <grin> (Ironically, Electronics Arts did the most to 
promote their developers in those days.) 

However to the point, I see nothing wrong in developers putting comments,
or credits into their work, it IS fun to find them for one thing. Also,
especially now, when the days of individual developement are completely over,
a team taking a few bytes to give themselves kudo's is not a bad thing, IMHO. 

It is highly doubtful they are going to get those kudo's from above, so why
not do it themselves. They after all 'wrote it', did the 'grunt' work. Most
people will never even know it's there. However as in the case of the OS/2
'easter egg', which is still there, it is fun to see the old 'Boca Raton'
days,
and all the people who worked so hard to develope a revolutionary interface,
WPS, so consider it to ultimately be a sense of history.

In the days of 20G hard drives, I don't think most people will resent those
few measly bytes of credits, when a 20G hard-drive can fill up with crap
within hours of installing it. <wink>.  In the case of a 728K floppy, I may
be tempted to delete AAAAA.MET. <bigger wink>.

                                              ---Gail

Gail Zimmerman
gzimmer@ibm.net

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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 11-Nov-99 18:24:05
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:01
Subj: Re: EmTec Network Suite FTP

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <80a3gc$3u7$2@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, on 11/09/99 
   at 09:25 PM, mr_ace@gmx.de said:


>Anyone tested this or found a solution??

Have you contacted Emtec support?  They are usually very responsive.

Steven

--
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Steven Levine <steve53removethis@earthlink.net>  MR2/ICE #10183 Warp4/FP11
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From: postmaster@ecoworld.co.uk                         11-Nov-99 18:13:15
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:01
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.04 Wanted

From: postmaster <postmaster@ecoworld.co.uk>

"Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote:

> postmaster wrote:
>
> > I was stupid enough to upgrade to Netscape 4.61 having waited thinking
> > it would be bug free - which sadly is not the case.
>
> "Bug free"?  That's a tall order for any major piece of software.
>
> What sort of troubles are you having with it?
>
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation

Troubles? Oh only a few .........................

(1) Rename Mail Folders Netscape crashes out
(2) Delete Mail Folders Netscape crashes out
(3) Copy Mail Folder ...................
(4) Move .....................
(5) Unable to delete Newsgroup msgs .............
(6) Flagging Newsgroups to delete fails
(7) Purge Newsgroups fails
(8) Purge will also cause Netscape to crash
(9) Does not download Newgroups unless I use synchronise
(10 Totally ignores any settings and likely to crash at any time.
(11) A product that builds one's confidence (sic)
(12) All files have to be xxxxxxxx.xxx because Netscape is MSDOS. Odd that
the WIN95/98 product supports WIN98 long file names but we just get the
MSDOS supported file structure ..................

This is only a little catalogue there are many end users who experience
keyboard lock ups and so on. The list goes on. It can not be claimed that
Netscape is a major product - it's poorly written and unstable. Better to
start from scratch and not write an MSDOS application and then tweak it  to
become a third rate product. No I don't expect a 100 per cent perfect
product. In fact the only thing that can be said for this MSDOS crossover
(perhaps another app dependent on Open Doc) from WIN95/98 is it can pick up
mail I can write mail, and can browse the web - beyond that the software
sucks - but sadly has no real flavour.

All these errors are due in part to (for me) with doscall1.dll something
that I would have expected to have been picked up in beta testing. I'm
running Warp-4 100% HPFS fixpak 9 uk. There are other issues - even with no
programmes running with 48Mb RAM Netscape creates a 32MB swap file - my
default size 8192Mb. As for multitasking forget it MSDOS is a single tasking
operating system and Netscape is just that.

Netscape OS/2 behaves like leaded jelly and has no crispness. I have boot
manager so I can compare performance on the same machine. When I compare it
with the MSDOS version for WIN98 Netscape runs faster, crisper and does not
crash out. Which begs the question: Why do we always get third rate products
ported from MSDOS? I ask myself why is it that a 16bit application with a
few 32bit dlls running on a 8/16bit operating system with a few more 32bit
dlls  in a nice GUI (WIN95/98) will always out perform the third rate we end
up with?

So for my own personal use at home if you have a copy of comm404.exe a more
stable and less "jelly" like product let me know! Oh btw I've stuck by OS/2
for the past five years and will continue to use it at home, commercially we
are giving it up.

Have a happy and profitable day!

Regards,

David
________________________________________________________________
David Cooper - Chairman Green-Base Exchange Ltd - Green-Base Shopping Ltd.
Waste Recovery + Cleaner Production Technologies = Environmentally Friendly
Products = Profits. That's Our Business - Make It Yours!




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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            11-Nov-99 21:30:03
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:01
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <382ad48a$3$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, letoured@nospam.net 
says...
>David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> said:
>
>>Twice in a row I made your mom feel like a real woman. Having you did
>>turn her  off to sex, but I fixed that.
>
>>Would you like pictures of her and me together? She is one great piece of
>>ass.
>
>Are you an out-patient? 
>
>Its been a long time since I've had Abnormal Psychology, but your constant
>obsession with your pee pee is a manifestation of a serious derangement
>that needs treatment. 

I'll pass this on to your mom. She does fit your description. But heck, she 
certainly knows how to have a good time. Did you know that she is able to
place 
here feet on her own shoulders?

Incredible!!

Tonight, I think that I'll drag her around by her hair before sticking it to 
her! 

>_____________
>Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
>
>

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
---------------------------------------

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From: peej@xta.com                                      11-Nov-99 22:27:18
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: OS/2 drivers for Voodoo3 2000 video card

From: "Jim Lee Jr." <peej@xta.com>

                                            Folks,
                                              Do any of you know of Voodoo3
2000 drivers for OS/2 Warp 3? I am expecting to recieve Warp 3 to try out
and am wondering if there are miscellaneous non-Windows95/98 drivers. Any
info is appreciated. Thanks much.

                                    Jim


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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 11-Nov-99 18:02:02
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Linkwiz

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <38288c28$1$qnir$mr2ice@read.news.global.net.uk>, on 11/09/99 
   at 08:54 PM, dave@david-lister.co.uk said:

>Perhaps I was unlucky! I had (and still have) problems whereby files in
>certain sub-directories would get missed when synchronising & I had
>(have) to re-run the operation, some times 3 or 4 times, to make sure
>every updated file is transferred.  I think I was trying to sort this out

I could see where this would be a problem. :(  It's not one I've seen with
3.04.

>when they had staff problems since I would explain my problems to one guy
>to discover he had moved on - so I went through it again and the same

I use it primarily to download executables to a DOS based control system. 
For that, the cross platform abilities are a great time saver.

>Perhaps I'm better off with the version I've got!! :)  I had come to the
>conclusion that they are not around anymore too.

There'e only a couple of oddities.  v3.04 requires a TZ variable or it
thinks the machine is one the East Coast.  This is odd since PCX was based
in southern California.  There are problems with "Copy if Exists".  It
shuts down early at times, so it can not be depended one.  I've also seen
it tie up the OS/2 box it it's got a bad cable connection.  All of these
have easy workarounds.

>Well, what made me concerned was that I changed the date of a file I
>intended to transfer to my notebook to 5 November 2000 and it displayed
>in Linkwiz as 05-11-100.  However, it did put it to the top (or bottom)

This could just be a display problem.  You need to test if the file dates
transfer unchanged.

Steven

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From: tvoltagg@home.com                                 12-Nov-99 03:11:24
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 to end Quicken Credit Card transaction downloads

From: tvoltagg@home.com

I'm also in the same boat.  I was running Quicken 6 and got the message 
from Mellon Bank here in Philadelphia.  Mellon said, however, that it was
only discontinuing the use of Quicken 5 and 6.  They said that Quicken 98
was acceptable, as long as the Y2K patch was used.  I checked with the
Intuit website and they had patches for Quicken 98.  I'm in the process
of looking for a copy of Quicken 98 to use.  Does anyone know of where to get
a cheap copy?


In <f92yac4h636.fsf@eng.sun.com>, Mark Hood <hood@eng.sun.com> writes:
>Intuit has informed me through the mail that in order to continue
>downloading credit card transactions from Quicken Credit Card issued by
>Travelers Bank I would have to upgrade to Quicken 2000 Deluxe by November
>15.  Quicken 98 is the last 16-bit version of Quicken, so it is the last
>version that will run in Win-OS2.
>
>I've communicated with the support people and it seems unlikely that a patch
>will be issued for Quicken 98 to allow it to continue transactions with
>their new server, but they didn't rule it out.  If no patch will be
>available, it seems my options are to either get an account with a big bank
>like Wells Fargo that supports on-line banking directly with Quicken 98, or
>boot into a W32 OS for Quicken 2000.
>
>I'd hate to either stop using my credit union or have to boot a Windows OS.
>I'm hoping that if there are any others in my situation and they communicate
>their concerns to Intuit we may be able to get a patch from them, but if I'm
>alone with this problem I guess I'll have to deal with it somehow.  
>
>Anybody else in this boat?
>
>-- Mark Hood

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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              12-Nov-99 03:12:05
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 to end Quicken Credit Card transaction downloads

From: alan@min.net.notspam

In <f92yac4h636.fsf@eng.sun.com>, on 11/11/99 
   at 05:05 PM, Mark Hood <hood@eng.sun.com> said:

>Intuit has informed me through the mail that in order to continue
>downloading credit card transactions from Quicken Credit Card issued by

I haven't tried to handle credit card stuff via quicken, since I haven't
even been able to download stock prices.  The latest error message is
"cannot find winsock.dll."

I also just picked up the setup.bat and revision 2 patch.exe for Quicken
98.  Is that for Quicken 98 Deluxe, and, if so, do you know how to install
it and if it's the latest revision?


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From: thoman@verinet.com                                12-Nov-99 05:00:06
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <8NO1LLldNq1r-pn2-8ZFLuc9nCzdd@localhost>, janswa@algonet.se (Jan
Swartling) writes:
>
>And I wouldn't call version 4 (or version 5) OS/2 incompatible. I find it 
>quite easy to run the included OS/2 version from diskette. You can choose 
>between a graphics and a text version.

        ??????

        Last time I needed a copy of Partition Magic was during the
transition from 3 to 4.  I thought I'd buy 4 until I read the box and
found no mention of being able to actually _run_ it on OS/2.  I then
hurriedly sought out version 3 while there were still some left.
        I find it surprising that there would be an OS/2 version in
the box and not mentioned on the box.  If there really is an OS/2
version in there, what version is it?  Is it really version 4 or 5,
or is it version 3 for OS/2 and the appropriate later version for
other operating systems?

-----
Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          12-Nov-99 05:46:04
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:52:32, chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk (Chris H Lindley)
a Úcrit dans un message:

snip
> 
> Changi (the news server getting all my usenet stuff fro me, filters
> out all articles above 500 lines!!)  and I never saw this
> article!!!!!

All taken as a tactful way to tell me not to rattle on so, in future. 
Another suggested finally plugging this kinda stuff into a website, which 
is even more tactful a way to tell me just to stay home. Since both were 
tactful, I'll accept them gracefully, and maybe even not ignore them.


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          12-Nov-99 05:46:05
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:34:20, gzimmer@attglobal.net a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
> 
> >All easter eggs are grotesque wastes of resources, neither helpful nor 
> >harmless, just useless lines of code buried inside the original copy of 
> >program source.....
snip
> 
> However to the point, I see nothing wrong in developers putting comments,
> or credits into their work, it IS fun to find them for one thing. Also,
> especially now, when the days of individual developement are completely
over,
> a team taking a few bytes to give themselves kudo's is not a bad thing,
IMHO. 

Yeah, well, ya throw my actual words right back in my face like that and 
even I have to agree they were overblown when I sent them. 

When I finally figured out what I hated about easter eggs, I saw it was 
merely the ones hidden inside executables, not "All" as I started out.


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: as@sci.fi                                         11-Nov-99 18:28:19
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: cannot find winsock.dll - Quicken 98

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

alan@min.net.notspam writes:

> I've gotten a bit further in trying to connect to the internet with my
> Quicken 98 Deluxe for Windows 3.1 under OS/2 Warp 4 with a cable modem.  I
> now get the error message "cannot find winsock.dll."  Winsock.dll is in
> f:\tcpip\dos\etc, which is listed as "set etc=" in autoexec.bat.  Quicken
> is set for direct internet connection.  

Winsock.dll needs to be in your (DOS) path, not %etc%.
 
-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: dave@david-lister.co.uk                           12-Nov-99 06:32:09
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Linkwiz

From: dave@david-lister.co.uk

In <382b76d1$1$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.earthlink.net>, on 11/11/99 
   at 06:02 PM, steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net said:

>This could just be a display problem.  You need to test if the file dates
>transfer unchanged.

Steven,

Yes, I've tried to transfer the modified files and the report the date
quick corrctly on the other computer so, as you suggest, it appears to be
a display problem.  Since PCX appears to have vanished have you any idea
where it might still be possible to get the latest version??

Dave Lister
-------------------------------------------------------------
dave@david-lister.co.uk                                    

David Lister Accountancy Services
http://www.david-lister.co.uk
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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     12-Nov-99 07:00:15
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> No, for your information, the "end papers" and "title matter" are
> traditional and quite important elements of producing printed book
> signatures for binding, and you might be surprised how much design thought
> and debate goes into those things.

Well, then, let's just say that it's "traditional" for software
engineers to put their name into what they write, to credit
those who put their time and effort -- and often heart --
into the project.  We also use our authors page to list the
people that had a hand in the project (perhaps not with
the development directly... but with some part of the life
of the product) as a way of thanking them for contributing
and giving them some credit as well.

Credit... recognition... pride... motivation.  Sometimes a
little pat on the back can go a long way towards improving
how a person produces.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     12-Nov-99 07:10:19
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> ??? You can't point at an external URL at all? Help | Release Notes seems
> to get quickly to a suitable external spot, near the Trademarks?

That's right.... but that's on an appropriated web server that
has funding to be maintained as a service and support site,
on which space has been allocated for the product help and
information.  It all has to be approved and paid for, which
means having a business reason to put it there.

> No, thankyew, we'll leave the custom machine ID targeting to MicroSoft and
> Real Networks.

Oh, come on... I could just have it detect your name in your
user profile and pop up a little reminder when my birthday
comes around.

> Jeez, now I have to admit I haven't even looked at it....

WHAT?  You've been moaning so much over something you
haven't even seen?  You're not doing very much for your
credibility 'round here, you know that?  <smirk>

> Hell, I *like* to see coders crowing about how good the work they've done
> is. We should have more of it.

As long as it doesn't take up any extra space, right?

Remember, even though you deleted AAAAA.EXE and
AAAAA.MET from your machine, the code that detects the
keystroke and tries to launch that application is still in
there, taking up precious RAM constantly.  NOW how're
you going to sleep at night?

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: LarryFutrell.nospam@attglobal.net                 12-Nov-99 00:16:13
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:03
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 to end Quicken Credit Card transaction downloads

From: LarryFutrell.nospam@attglobal.net (Larry Futrell)

In article <VzLW3.435$n5.64608@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>, tvoltagg@home.com 
says...
> I'm in the process
> of looking for a copy of Quicken 98 to use.  Does anyone know of where to
get
> a cheap copy?
> 
How about a free copy?  If you own an earlier version of Quicken you can 
download Quicken 98 for free, or get a CD or floppys for a shipping and 
handling charge.  Go to

http://www.intuit.com/corporate/year2000/quicken/qwin.html

Larry Futrell

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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     12-Nov-99 07:22:24
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.04 Wanted

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

postmaster wrote:

> Troubles? Oh only a few .........................

Oh, sorry.... thought you might have wanted some
assistance or suggestions.  Go about your tirade, don't
let me interrupt you.

One thing, though.  Communicator has nothing to
do with MS-DOS... so I have NO idea what you're
blathering about.  We have to use 8.3 filenames
because we have to run on FAT, which uses 8.3
filenames, and won't nicely munge the longname
into a unique 8.3 name (like Windows does), and
instead just fails to create the file.

And what's that about a 16-bit application?  Where
are you getting this false information from?

Oh, one more thing.... those DOSCALL1 traps with
manipulating folders and such -- that's a known
problem that has already been resolved and will
be available when a fixpack is released.

Ok, I'm really done this time.  Blather on.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           12-Nov-99 02:29:21
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-nd6wuGL6w7uE@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>, on
11/11/99 at 03:50 PM,
   donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) said:

> Yes, well, either you're a believer in Low Impact Living or you're not. 
> Resources are *not* infinite, none of them are, and the sooner we all
> begin acting like they're precious, the better our chances of not
> souring this  beautiful planet into a stagnant algae pond.

If everyone acted like you want them to, we would all still be using chalk
and slate to communicate. Get a life!


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From: nitebird@voicenet.com                             12-Nov-99 02:56:28
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: nitebird@voicenet.com (Barry Mann)

In <382aec27$4$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>, on 11/11/99 
   at 11:17 AM, letoured@nospam.net said:

>:>> >of text, also using criteria like "mark everything that is bold" or
>:>> >"everything that is italic and 12pt", and then apply the one or other
>:>> >function on that block: I don't know any other text processor with
>:>this
>:>> >powerful capability!
>:>>
>:>> FrameMaker can. It also handles color. Of course it costs more.

>:>....and doesn't probably come on 2 or 3 _diskettes_ (not CDs !!),
>:>including dictionaries for several languages...

>:So.

>:>....and doesn't run on OS/2, AFAIK...

>:You can still find ver. 5 around at close-outs. I think I saw it on
>:Ebay used. It runs just find under WinOs2.

The CD contains native OS/2 and Win95 versions.

>:>....and finally plays in another ligue: "DTP" vs. "text processors"...

>:The marketing types branded it "DTP," but it is actually a
>:document-processor, or maybe professional word processor is a better
>:description.

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          12-Nov-99 08:00:26
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:00:30, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> a Úcrit dans un message:

> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> > No, for your information, the "end papers" and "title matter" are
> > traditional and quite important elements of producing printed book
> > signatures for binding, and you might be surprised how much design thought
> > and debate goes into those things.
> 
> Well, then, let's just say that it's "traditional" for software
> engineers to put their name into what they write, to credit
> those who put their time and effort -- and often heart --
> into the project.  We also use our authors page to list the
> people that had a hand in the project (perhaps not with
> the development directly... but with some part of the life
> of the product) as a way of thanking them for contributing
> and giving them some credit as well.
> 
> Credit... recognition... pride... motivation.  Sometimes a
> little pat on the back can go a long way towards improving
> how a person produces.

You wore me down. Take your bows.


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Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: thomas.kellerer@tps-labs.com                      12-Nov-99 09:18:22
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: HELP! Trouble with gs5.10 & emx

From: "Thomas Kellerer" <thomas.kellerer@tps-labs.com>

I dont't know if this would help, but I think there is a tool for EMX which
increases the stack space of the application. Look into the emx\bin folder,
it should be somewhere.

Cheers
Thomas

SLM wrote in message <382B4E04.7A52@bezeroak.euskaltel.es>...
>I am unable to print with ghostscript 5.10 and emx09d due to a sys3171
>error, the system complaints of insufficient stack space for exception
>handlers (if anyone needs the register information drop an e-mail).
>emx.dll seems to be the one causing the error, it never happened with an
>older version. (emx08*)



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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  12-Nov-99 08:07:04
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <382aec27$4$yrgbherq$mr2ice@news.sover.net>,
  letoured@nospam.net wrote:
> >> >of text, also using criteria like "mark everything that is bold"
or
> >> >"everything that is italic and 12pt", and then apply the one or
other
> >> >function on that block: I don't know any other text processor with
> >this
> >> >powerful capability!
> >>
> >> FrameMaker can. It also handles color. Of course it costs more.
>
> >....and doesn't probably come on 2 or 3 _diskettes_ (not CDs !!),
> >including dictionaries for several languages...
>
> So.
>
> >....and doesn't run on OS/2, AFAIK...
>
> You can still find ver. 5 around at close-outs. I think I saw it on
Ebay
> used. It runs just find under WinOs2.
>
> >....and finally plays in another ligue: "DTP" vs. "text
processors"...
>
> The marketing types branded it "DTP," but it is actually a
> document-processor, or maybe professional word processor is a better
> description.

Hmm, yes, you are right: They also claim their handling of tables -
which is REALLY rather good for a "document processor" - is something
like an "included spreadsheed functionality", but in this category it
would be rather weak...

OTOH, The last time I had to use a "DTP" program (Ventura Publisher) it
was only in order to place texts on pages for a book, together with some
horizontal and vertical lines, some text boxes and finally a couple of
pictures, all rectangular - and this was ONLY because of the fact that
MS Word cannot do these things in a way that is independent of the
printer, so you cannot make a draft printout on a deskjet printer and
then handle exactly the same document in PS format for the real
publication...

And this wouldn't have been necessary had I been allowed to use Papyrus
(-- or of course Describe as well, which is what this thread is finally
about!)

Cornelis Bockemühl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>

> _____________
> Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
>
>


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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  12-Nov-99 08:16:13
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: The Describe 5 Diaries...

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-u01oXVcdRgw9@POBLANO>,
  l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:12:44, cbzh@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > In article <80d6nu$njr$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
> >   jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:
> ---------------snip----------------
>
> > Interesting: You seem to have gone a similar way than I have,
starting
> > with WordPerfect/DOS to Describe/OS2, both being discontinued by
their
> > makers. Mine went on to "Papyrus" (OS/2) which comes from the Atari
> > world AFAIK and which is still being further developed (It only
seems
> > that their plans and announcements go sometimes much further than
their
> > capabilities to realize things, but this looks familiar to everybody
> > ever having programmed the one or other project :-)) See
> > http://www.rom-logicware.com/start.htm where they are talking about
the
> > english language version of the program "coming out every
moment"...: I
> > hope for you it will really do!
>
> FWIW, they were talking about "an English version any moment" two
years
> ago. The more things change, the more they are the same.

Yes, you are right: Right now you read on the home page that the english
version will come out "in October" - which must be 1999 in the context
:-)

OTOH, according to my correspondence with Ulli Ramps of RL they are now
actually busy with the translation - contrary to 2 years ago where they
were just announcing it. At the same time they are also working on their
database (that is optionally integrated into Papyrus) which was promised
one year ago and is out now since September, but still needs some
"ripening"; they are not sleeping though.

Of course the only good answer to your frustrated reaction would be the
real publication of the english version - and this I can only hope for,
not promise or announce anything for sure, of course!

Cornelis Bockemühl <cbockem@datacomm.ch>

> ---------------snip----------------
>
> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
>
> Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not
reach
> me. Sorry.
> Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
>
> 
>


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          12-Nov-99 08:00:06
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:10:39, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> a Úcrit dans un message:

> 
> Oh, come on... I could just have it detect your name in your
> user profile and pop up a little reminder when my birthday
> comes around.

I'm sure you could. Let's hear it for 100% Open Source on all software.


> 
> > Jeez, now I have to admit I haven't even looked at it....
> 
> WHAT?  You've been moaning so much over something you
> haven't even seen?  You're not doing very much for your
> credibility 'round here, you know that?  <smirk>

I thought I'd lost all credibility long ago. But I don't have to actually 
be inside a car crash to know it would be unpleasant.


> 
> > Hell, I *like* to see coders crowing about how good the work they've done
> > is. We should have more of it.
> 
> As long as it doesn't take up any extra space, right?

Not in RAM, not in executables. We're slowly making my particular point.


> 
> Remember, even though you deleted AAAAA.EXE and
> AAAAA.MET from your machine, the code that detects the
> keystroke and tries to launch that application is still in
> there, taking up precious RAM constantly.  NOW how're
> you going to sleep at night?

I'd already contemplated that. You're right, it makes my skin itch.


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: an479@lafn.org                                    11-Nov-99 22:09:05
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org>

Hi, Ivan -

Noted your exchange with Steve Drewell and tried to free-load on it; but
repeated attempts to connect to your ftp resource were unsuccessful.  I 
suspect that a few others may have been trying too and beat me to it.

>PMR00052.ZIP was posted on testcase.boulder.ibm.com a couple of weeks
>ago. You can grab a copy from my ftp:
>ftp://protein.bio.msu.su/pub/os2/fixes/pmr00052.zip

Do you recall exactly where in the testcase.boulder.ibm.com site you 
found it.  I tried there too; but found it a typical, murky IBM site and
didn't manage to spot pmr00052.zip.
>
>It also contains a replacement keyboard.dcp. Just reboot in command line
>or using boot floppies, rename FP12 versions of the corresponding files
>on your system (\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP and \OS2\DLL\PMMERGE.DLL) and copy
>over fixed versions, then reboot again.

Thanks for the explanation!
>
>It does not fix all of my problems with FP12, but at least I can use my
>system for more than one day now :).

Haven't had that problem, since I shut my system down at night; but 
there's something really eating memory now!  I have 64megs RAM installed
and kept swapper set to 2 megs with no visible swap activity.  Usually 
had around 25megs of physical memory available at any time.  Now, the 
physical memory is evaporating and the swap file is shooting up to 
20megs or more! :(
>
>There's another unofficial post-FP12 fix available, with a new version
>of kernel, but I did not tried it yet.

Is it in the same place on the IBM ftp site?  What is it supposed to 
fix?

>P.S. Sorry for poor access to my server, our Internet connectivity
>really sucks at the moment :-(.

May just be a lot of people trying to get to it at once.

Thanks for offering the ftp and supplying all this good info.

Jack P.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           12-Nov-99 03:05:29
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <382BBA4B.B17A8FD7@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>, on 11/12/99 at 07:00 AM,
   "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> said:

> Well, then, let's just say that it's "traditional" for software
> engineers to put their name into what they write, to credit those who
> put their time and effort -- and often heart --
> into the project.  We also use our authors page to list the people that
> had a hand in the project (perhaps not with
> the development directly... but with some part of the life
> of the product) as a way of thanking them for contributing
> and giving them some credit as well.

> Credit... recognition... pride... motivation.  Sometimes a
> little pat on the back can go a long way towards improving
> how a person produces.

Right you are. In my 60 years on this planet I have found that a
compliment is better motivation than anything other than a cash bonus.
I'll bet the curmudgeon who started this bleat would be horrified to find
that entering the right AT command on USR modems would list the developers
of the modem and the parts they worked on. For example on my Courier
Double Standard ATUSR returned the data. Terrible waste of hardware don't
you think? <VBG>


> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation


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From: dink@dontspamme.com                               12-Nov-99 04:15:06
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: IBM WAKE UP

From: "dinkmeister" <dink@dontspamme.com>

Development for Smack!, Staroffice and MainActor has been 
screwed a bit because of the buggy VAC++ 4.0 compiler!  sheesh!

Is this your way of finally killing off all the OS/2 users/developers?

I wanna know..



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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               12-Nov-99 10:44:08
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: Linkwiz

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> dave@david-lister.co.uk wrote:
>
> Perhaps I was unlucky! I had (and still have) problems whereby files in
> certain sub-directories would get missed when synchronising & I had (have)
> to re-run the operation, some times 3 or 4 times, to make sure every
> updated file is transferred.  I think I was trying to sort this out when
> they had staff problems since I would explain my problems to one guy to
> discover he had moved on - so I went through it again and the same thing
> happened!! I gave up in the end and now live with it.

PCX's website seems to be defunct with a standard page that was installed
by the (new?) ISP I think. Did you try to reach them by phone etc? Recently
I saw that Indelible Blue still has them in the catalogue, but I doubt if
shelling 
out 125 USD for a new full version (I suppose that upgrades may be a problem
over IB) would be what you like now. Nevertheless, thought I should mention
it.

Missing files in certain sub-directories you mention as a problem. I very 
recently learned that there is a problem with FP11 where the OS some-
times sets the Archive-flag of sub-directories. My Embellish would then not
be able to see those directories when the File-Open dialogue was used. Blan-
king that Archive-flag would make it function properly again, setting it made
it re-
appear. Just makes me wonder which other programs might have this problem with
FP11. Even makes me nervous, I never saw this all the time I used FP11 untill
I last
week needed a directory in Embellish. What if ZIP and BackUp Apps etc. go
through
the same problem. That might make some of my backups of later deleted projects 
a little
bit worthless I think. Ah well, if they are gone they are gone now anyway, so
I do not intend
to spend time to find out now. Perhaps I will never need to get those projects 
back again.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: Roland.Pinches@pmail.net                          12-Nov-99 10:10:25
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.04 Wanted

From: "Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net>

I'm seeing similar problems with Netscape, although not quite to the same
extent! Certainly I've had lots of problems with creating and moving mail
folders and also reading newsgroup articles, but I can't say I've had any
problems with multitasking. 

This led me to go and buy PMMail2.1 and PMINews. No problems with mail and
newsgroups now :-)

However, Netscape always seems to crap out when downloading large files ie:
Java 1.1.8. It just stops. No errors, no messages, just stops as if it has
finished downloading the whole file but has typically only downloaded about
1Mb. Command line FTP still works ok, but I can't find the java download area
on service.boulder.ibm.com....

Netscape also gives me problems with with Java, hence my desire to get 118.
Recently there was an announcement from Snowstorm Software about a new module
for their screen saver. When I try to access their web site, it starts a java
app which kills my machine. My only option is to hit the reset button on the
front of my PC as even CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't work. I got around it eventually
by switching off Java within Netscape, but I wouldn't say that is an ideal
solution!

Thanks for listening to our gripes!
Any thoughts??

Roly.

>
>Troubles? Oh only a few .........................
>
>(1) Rename Mail Folders Netscape crashes out
>(2) Delete Mail Folders Netscape crashes out
>(3) Copy Mail Folder ...................
>(4) Move .....................
>(5) Unable to delete Newsgroup msgs .............
>(6) Flagging Newsgroups to delete fails
>(7) Purge Newsgroups fails
>(8) Purge will also cause Netscape to crash
>(9) Does not download Newgroups unless I use synchronise
>(10 Totally ignores any settings and likely to crash at any time.
>(11) A product that builds one's confidence (sic)
>(12) All files have to be xxxxxxxx.xxx because Netscape is MSDOS. Odd that
>the WIN95/98 product supports WIN98 long file names but we just get the
>MSDOS supported file structure ..................
>
>This is only a little catalogue there are many end users who experience
>keyboard lock ups and so on. The list goes on. It can not be claimed that
>Netscape is a major product - it's poorly written and unstable. Better to
>start from scratch and not write an MSDOS application and then tweak it  to
>become a third rate product. No I don't expect a 100 per cent perfect
>product. In fact the only thing that can be said for this MSDOS crossover
>(perhaps another app dependent on Open Doc) from WIN95/98 is it can pick up
>mail I can write mail, and can browse the web - beyond that the software
>sucks - but sadly has no real flavour.
>
>All these errors are due in part to (for me) with doscall1.dll something
>that I would have expected to have been picked up in beta testing. I'm
>running Warp-4 100% HPFS fixpak 9 uk. There are other issues - even with no
>programmes running with 48Mb RAM Netscape creates a 32MB swap file - my
>default size 8192Mb. As for multitasking forget it MSDOS is a single tasking
>operating system and Netscape is just that.
>
>Netscape OS/2 behaves like leaded jelly and has no crispness. I have boot
>manager so I can compare performance on the same machine. When I compare it
>with the MSDOS version for WIN98 Netscape runs faster, crisper and does not
>crash out. Which begs the question: Why do we always get third rate products
>ported from MSDOS? I ask myself why is it that a 16bit application with a
>few 32bit dlls running on a 8/16bit operating system with a few more 32bit
>dlls  in a nice GUI (WIN95/98) will always out perform the third rate we end
>up with?
>
>So for my own personal use at home if you have a copy of comm404.exe a more
>stable and less "jelly" like product let me know! Oh btw I've stuck by OS/2
>for the past five years and will continue to use it at home, commercially we
>are giving it up.
>
>Have a happy and profitable day!
>
>Regards,
>
>David
>________________________________________________________________
>David Cooper - Chairman Green-Base Exchange Ltd - Green-Base Shopping Ltd.
>Waste Recovery + Cleaner Production Technologies = Environmentally Friendly
>Products = Profits. That's Our Business - Make It Yours!
>
>
>
>



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From: davek@clark.net                                   12-Nov-99 10:35:03
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: davek@clark.net (David Kunz)

thoman@verinet.com wrote:                                             

: In <8NO1LLldNq1r-pn2-8ZFLuc9nCzdd@localhost>, janswa@algonet.se 
:(Jan Swartling) writes:                                              

: >And I wouldn't call version 4 (or version 5) OS/2 incompatible. I 
: >find it quite easy to run the included OS/2 version from diskette. 
: >You can choose between a graphics and a text version.              

:         ??????                                                      

:         Last time I needed a copy of Partition Magic was during the 
: transition from 3 to 4.  I thought I'd buy 4 until I read the box 
: and found no mention of being able to actually _run_ it on OS/2.  I 
: then hurriedly sought out version 3 while there were still some 
: left.                                                               

:         I find it surprising that there would be an OS/2 version in 
: the box and not mentioned on the box.  If there really is an OS/2 
: version in there, what version is it?  Is it really version 4 or 5, 
: or is it version 3 for OS/2 and the appropriate later version for 
: other operating systems?                                            

I have version 4 and can't find an OS/2 executable.  I run the DOS
version from it's bootable disk.

--
David Kunz
Operator error.  Replace operator and strike any key to continue...

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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 12-Nov-99 10:53:01
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:00:13, thoman@verinet.com wrote:

> In <8NO1LLldNq1r-pn2-8ZFLuc9nCzdd@localhost>, janswa@algonet.se (Jan
Swartling) writes:
> >
> >And I wouldn't call version 4 (or version 5) OS/2 incompatible. I find it 
> >quite easy to run the included OS/2 version from diskette. You can choose 
> >between a graphics and a text version.
> 
>         Last time I needed a copy of Partition Magic was during the
> transition from 3 to 4.  I thought I'd buy 4 until I read the box and
> found no mention of being able to actually _run_ it on OS/2.  I then
> hurriedly sought out version 3 while there were still some left.
>         I find it surprising that there would be an OS/2 version in
> the box and not mentioned on the box.  If there really is an OS/2
> version in there, what version is it?  Is it really version 4 or 5,
> or is it version 3 for OS/2 and the appropriate later version for
> other operating systems?
> 

Greg, 

It's not a question whether there is a OS/2 version or not. (There is no 
native OS/2 version, since the one in PM3). The question is, can you work 
with HPFS partitions with PM v4 and v5? The answer is, yes! Check on your 
PM v4, you'll find a directory OS2INST. If you run the MAKEDISK.BAT you'll
create a bootable diskette with a graphical DOS version of PM. Use this 
diskette when it's time to change anything in your HPFS partition. There 
is also a textversion of PM, but in order to get to this, you have to 
first install PM on your hard disk.

The box do mention full support for HPFS. And it support hard disks 
greater than 8.4GB. I don't know if there have been any updates on the 
OS/2 version. Apart from OS/2, version 3 don't support greater than 8.4GB 
FAT32 disks. Version 4 does.

Jan Swartling
 Blue Soft




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From: fisa@jet.uk                                       12-Nov-99 11:34:10
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: OS/2 drivers for Voodoo3 2000 video card

From: filippo sartori <fisa@jet.uk>

use scitech display doctor os2 drivers...

Filippo

only 256 64K modes.
do not use 24/32 bit modes...

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  11-Nov-99 11:05:10
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Jan Swartling wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:14:44, "Hal Murray" <hjmurray@home.com> wrote:
>
> >  I tried Partition Magic 4 on my OS/2 drive and it destroyed my
> > extended partition. So I went back to Partition Magic 3 text version.
> >
> > I don't expect they addresses the Os/2 incompatibility in Version 5.
>
> Arer you sure that your extended partition was destroyed? It might just
> have been converted to a "0F" partition type, which OS/2 don't recognise.
> It's easy to restore to the previous "05"-partition type by running the
> included PTEDIT program.

Jan,Might this also depend on the revision level of PMagic he was using? I
had to update to PM 4 from V3 for a 10.8Gb IDE and the upgrade CD was
apparently 4.1 (or 4.01 perhaps).I also downloaded PTEDIT in anticipation of
having to correct this very problem you referred to...
However, cursory tests on re-creatings the Extended partition table appeared
to always result in it correctly being defined as 05'X'
While there may be some other considerations regarding BIOS/number & type of
DASD,  the above might be a reasonable indication that it's very likely that
V5 would also include this fix and therefore not suffer from this specific
problem?
Or does this conversion to 0F'X' only mysteriously occur in some scenario's
after further manipulating the arrangements of partitions in a particular
combination or only occur with V4.0 when initially creating Extended
Partitionson on some specific BIOS/DASD combinations?

> And I wouldn't call version 4 (or version 5) OS/2 incompatible. I find it
> quite easy to run the included OS/2 version from diskette. You can choose
> between a graphics and a text version.

Oh dear....apparently more confusion/ambiguity?What included OS/2 version on
what specific major version of PM?
I didn't think V4 had a OS/2 native version (certainly my copy of upgrade CD
didn't) after V3?.
Is it now re-introduced in V5 or are you actually referring to the contents
of the DOS-OS2 directory on CD which therefore is ultimately a DOS version?

Perhaps there are some fundamental and significant differences between
PowerQuests "upgrade" and "full version" CD's that accounts for these
apparent disparities?

In any event while not disbelieving "Hals" original observation that PM 4
"allegedly destroyed" his extended partitions I think far more detail would
be required on this failure scenario (viz DASD types,sizes,Bios
translation,actual FDISK,OS/2 and PM version/fix levels etc) before
necessarily concluding that V5 will likely have identical problems?
Did the problem occur when creating new partitions or manipulating existing
ones?
Also if he sucessfully reverted to(and can fully utilise) PM V3 then
presumably his DASD size must be 8Gb or less anyway as support for >8Gb was
supposedly only added from V4 onwards?

Perhaps downloading/applying the service patch from PowerQuest site might
resolve these symptoms he previously observed? Eg:
Ftp://ftp.powerquest.com/pub/ProductUpdates/PartitionMagic/PartitionMagic4/PMDo
s400-401.zip

(beware of line wrapping on above URL)

> Jan Swartling
>   Blue Soft
>  Sweden



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"




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From: jasper_de_keijzer@nl.compuware.com                12-Nov-99 12:24:24
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 to end Quicken Credit Card transaction downloads

From: Jasper de Keijzer <jasper_de_keijzer@nl.compuware.com>

Mark,

You can advice them to compile and link the windows code on OS/2 Warp 4.0. As
you probably know OS/2 supports the windows API. Many products like, Acrabat
reader, Lotus office suit, Netscape etc are based on this. This should not
take
too much of an effort, especially not when they still use the 16bit api.

Kind regards,
Jasper de Keijzer.
http://home-5.worldonline.nl/~jdekeij


Mark Hood wrote:

> Intuit has informed me through the mail that in order to continue
> downloading credit card transactions from Quicken Credit Card issued by
> Travelers Bank I would have to upgrade to Quicken 2000 Deluxe by November
> 15.  Quicken 98 is the last 16-bit version of Quicken, so it is the last
> version that will run in Win-OS2.
>
> I've communicated with the support people and it seems unlikely that a patch
> will be issued for Quicken 98 to allow it to continue transactions with
> their new server, but they didn't rule it out.  If no patch will be
> available, it seems my options are to either get an account with a big bank
> like Wells Fargo that supports on-line banking directly with Quicken 98, or
> boot into a W32 OS for Quicken 2000.
>
> I'd hate to either stop using my credit union or have to boot a Windows OS.
> I'm hoping that if there are any others in my situation and they communicate
> their concerns to Intuit we may be able to get a patch from them, but if I'm
> alone with this problem I guess I'll have to deal with it somehow.
>
> Anybody else in this boat?
>
> -- Mark Hood

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    12-Nov-99 12:48:01
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: HELP! Trouble with gs5.10 & emx

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

SLM (slinaza@bezeroak.euskaltel.es) wrote:

: I am unable to print with ghostscript 5.10 and emx09d due to a sys3171

	GS5.50 has been out for quite a while now, 6.00 is expected soon.


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From: postmaster@ecoworld.co.uk                         12-Nov-99 09:43:07
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.04 Wanted

From: postmaster <postmaster@ecoworld.co.uk>


"Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote:

> postmaster wrote:
>
> > Troubles? Oh only a few .........................
>
> Oh, sorry.... thought you might have wanted some assistance or
> suggestions.  Go about your tirade, don't
> let me interrupt you.
>

Thanks, we all like a little space to rave - even if its not entirely
sensible

>
> One thing, though.  Communicator has nothing to do with MS-DOS... so I
> have NO idea what you're
> blathering about.  We have to use 8.3 filenames because we have to run
> on FAT, which uses 8.3 filenames, and won't nicely munge the longname
> into a unique 8.3 name (like Windows does), and instead just fails to
> create the file.
>

Thank you

>
> And what's that about a 16-bit application?  Where are you getting
> this false information from?
>

I was referring to Microsoft ..........

>
> Oh, one more thing.... those DOSCALL1 traps with manipulating folders
> and such -- that's a known problem that has already been resolved and
> will be available when a fixpack is released.

I know

>
>
> Ok, I'm really done this time.  Blather on.

I'd stopped! Ha!

>
>
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation

Regards,

David

________________________________________________________________
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Ltd. Waste Recovery + Cleaner Production Technologies = Environmentally
Friendly Products = Profits. That's Our Business - Make It Yours!



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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           12-Nov-99 16:49:17
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 14:25:26
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <382b25ca$1$zpunffba$mr2ice@news3.ibm.net>, on 11/11/99 
   at 03:21 PM, mchasson@ibm.net said:

>In <382a9f52$1$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>, on 11/11/99 at 01:45 PM,
>   "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> said:

>>In <991111085533.19114B-100000@bisv3.bedford.waii.com>, on 11/11/99 
>>   at 09:41 AM, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> said:

>>At which fixpak level your Warp 4 system is? I am having severe problems
>>with FP12 here, with Comm 4.61 being pretty unusable since applying FP12
>>due to memory leak in pmmerge.dll (confirmed by people from IBM).
>>Unofficial pmr00052 fix improves the situation a bit, but I still having
>>occasional WPS hangs, mainly after attempting to exit Comm 4.61 and LSS
>>1.1. This system used to run in 24/7 mode very stably prior to FP12.

>Just out of curiosity, is this still the ASUS p55t2p4 MB?  And is it
>the Intel HX chip set that they (IBM) are having trouble with again?

Yep, your guess is right! Heven't heard about HX problems before tho.
Could you please post a few details? Or point me to any other source of
info? Haven't seen anything HX-chipset specific in APAR database or
elsewhere on IBM sites.

Thanks,
Ivan

P.S. I was thinking about upgrade anyway, but you know, upgrading a
production server could be a real pain in the ass!

I.

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"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           12-Nov-99 16:52:25
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 14:25:26
Subj: Re: Comm/2 keeps bringing down my system.

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <80gaqh$7m6$1@zook.lafn.org>, on 11/11/99 
   at 10:09 PM, J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org> said:

Hi,

>Noted your exchange with Steve Drewell and tried to free-load on it;
>but repeated attempts to connect to your ftp resource were
>unsuccessful.  I  suspect that a few others may have been trying too
>and beat me to it.

No, connections to my server did not reach server limit. However, as I
told, we have an extremely poor channel to the outside world at the
moment. I can only recommend to use wget or similar program able to
retry broken connections automatically and restart broken downloads. Or
if anybody has an Internet access from any of the large US universities
connected to vBNS (National Science Foundation network), please, try
downloading this archive from my server and put it on your site. We have
a separate channel to vBNS, very fast and reliable. Sites like
princeton.edu, harvard.edu, etc. can access my server without any
problems. Unfortunately, the whole Europe is almost cut off of my
site...

>>PMR00052.ZIP was posted on testcase.boulder.ibm.com a couple of weeks
>>ago. You can grab a copy from my ftp:
>>ftp://protein.bio.msu.su/pub/os2/fixes/pmr00052.zip

>Do you recall exactly where in the testcase.boulder.ibm.com site you 
>found it.  I tried there too; but found it a typical, murky IBM site
>and didn't manage to spot pmr00052.zip.

Common practice on IBM testcase server is that all unofficial fixes
posted there will expire in 2-3 days and removed from the server. You
will no longer find any of the fixes I mentioned at testcase. Usual
place to check is:

ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/os2/

>Haven't had that problem, since I shut my system down at night; but 
>there's something really eating memory now!  I have 64megs RAM
>installed and kept swapper set to 2 megs with no visible swap activity. 
>Usually  had around 25megs of physical memory available at any time. 
>Now, the  physical memory is evaporating and the swap file is shooting
>up to  20megs or more! :(

I am experiencing all sorts of weird problems with WPS - corrupted mouse
pointer, folders not closing, hangs, etc. And yes, there is a huge
memory leak in the original FP12 pmmerge.dll. This was fixed by
pmr00052, but not the rest of the problems. I will try kernel fix to see
if it helps.

>>There's another unofficial post-FP12 fix available, with a new version
>>of kernel, but I did not tried it yet.

>Is it in the same place on the IBM ftp site?  What is it supposed to 
>fix?

Yes, but it has also already expired. The readme says it fixes the
problem with too large stack allocated by FP12 kernel. You can find it
at:

ftp://protein.bio.msu.su/pub/os2/fixes/02617k.zip

>Thanks for offering the ftp and supplying all this good info.

There's a depository for unofficial fixes arranged on another server
here in Russia. Unfortunately, this server also has rather poor access
from the US, and all the file listings are in Russian.

Cheers,
Ivan

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
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From: nospam@nospamnospam.com                           12-Nov-99 14:46:12
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 14:25:26
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: nospam@nospamnospam.com (Magnus Olsson)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:50:00, alan@min.net.notspam wrote:

> In <382abe35$2$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>, on 11/11/99 
>    at 07:59 AM, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> said:
> 
> It's hardly a big deal.  The guys worked hard on Comm 4.61, and gave it to
> us gratis.  If they want to stick a little easter egg in there in return,
They were paid to do that. Communicator for OS/2 is *not* freeware.

> bully for them.  The price is right.
You have paid for Warp 4 I hope? Communicator is part of the package 
(a natural follow-up to Nescape Navigator) 

-
all the best
                  Magnus

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From: nospam@nospamnospam.com                           12-Nov-99 14:46:15
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 14:25:26
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: nospam@nospamnospam.com (Magnus Olsson)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:00:30, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> wrote:

<snip> 

> Credit... recognition... pride... motivation.  Sometimes a
> little pat on the back can go a long way towards improving
> how a person produces.
> 
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
OK, I'll pat you on the back right now:-), well done!

> IBM Corporation
I guess they need a huge pat on the back too...


-
all the best
                  Magnus

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From: bdavis@fn.net                                     12-Nov-99 15:07:28
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 14:25:26
Subj: Re: IBM WAKE UP

From: bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:15:12, "dinkmeister" <dink@dontspamme.com> 
wrote:

> Development for Smack!, Staroffice and MainActor has been 
> screwed a bit because of the buggy VAC++ 4.0 compiler!  sheesh!
> 
> Is this your way of finally killing off all the OS/2 users/developers?
> 
> I wanna know..
> 
> 
> 
Me thinks you already know the answer dude. The morons in
upper management can't pull their collective heads out of their
collective butts long enough to think about anything except
how to meet the expectations of the so called financial wizards
on Wall Street. That's my take on the way it is.

Damn.....this was cathartic. :-)

Brian Davis (bdavis@fn.net)

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From: bdavis@fn.net                                     12-Nov-99 21:24:12
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 19:52:27
Subj: Re: IBM WAKE UP

From: bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:06:10, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis) said:
> 
> >Me thinks you already know the answer dude. The morons in
> >upper management can't pull their collective heads out of their collective
> >butts long enough to think about anything except
> >how to meet the expectations of the so called financial wizards on Wall
> >Street. That's my take on the way it is.
> 
> >Damn.....this was cathartic. :-)
> 
> Now, now, now!  You know perfectly well it is very old fashioned to think
> any corporation any longer thinks about anything but cash.  Function,
> public spirit and common sense simply aren't in the equation any more.
> 
How true.......I stand corrected. 

Brian Davis (bdavis@fn.net)

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From: bbarclay@ca.ibm.com                               12-Nov-99 16:10:08
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 19:52:27
Subj: Re: IBM WAKE UP

From: Brad BARCLAY <bbarclay@ca.ibm.com>

dinkmeister wrote:
> 
> Development for Smack!, Staroffice and MainActor has been
> screwed a bit because of the buggy VAC++ 4.0 compiler!  sheesh!
> 
> Is this your way of finally killing off all the OS/2 users/developers?
> 
> I wanna know..

	I unfortunately don't have an answer (and I really wish I did...), but
is there *anything* keeping any of these companies from using VAC++
v3.0, which doesn't seem to have the limitations these groups are
talking about (most of IBM's OS/2 products are compiled with VAC++ v3.0
AFAIK, and many of them are significantly bigger than any of the above
mentioned products)?

Brad BARCLAY

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v4.5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  bbarclay@ca.ibm.com		Location:  2G43D@Torolabs

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    12-Nov-99 22:26:25
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:08
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Raphael Tennenbaum <raphaelt @ worldnet.att.net> writes:
> 
>   Some people report that drag'n'drop or moving files isn't
>   working any more. I suspect this is related to changes to
>   the new "File exists" dialog. Disable that dialog in
>   "Workplace Shell". If the problem does not go away, mail
>   me if you've found something interesting, but other
>   than that, I don't know what the problem is. 

Ah, right. It's the "Replace confirmation dialogs" under "File
operations" that is the culprit. Thanks.

> PS: I *need* Three Brass Balls.  Any chance there's a sample MP3
> anywhere?

Indeed. Best is to follow the links at www.web-ho.com/sounds/pawnshop.html
or go directly to www.mp3.com/pawnshop

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                12-Nov-99 23:46:13
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:08
Subj: Re: David H. McCoy

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:30:06, David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com> 
wrote:

> I'll pass this on to your mom. She does fit your description. But heck, she 
> certainly knows how to have a good time. Did you know that she is able to
place 
> here feet on her own shoulders?
> 
> Incredible!!
> 
> Tonight, I think that I'll drag her around by her hair before sticking it to 

> her! 
> ---------------------------------------
> David H. McCoy
> dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
> ---------------------------------------

I see you are running out of ways to defend your position. I do hope 
you seek help though. I don't like seeing anyone fall apart like this,
not even you.

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        12-Nov-99 23:47:27
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:08
Subj: Re: Theta Band Software announces the distribution of MMPack through

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <3826283D.3AF2C018@pec.co.nz>, Aaron Lawrence <aaronl@pec.co.nz> writes:
>Julien Pierre wrote:
>
>> Theta Band Software's Multimedia Pack for OS/2 is now available for
>> ordering
>> through Mensys at http://www.mensys.nl .
>
>I had a look at this, and it's cool, but the things in it aren't really
>compelling to me. There are more pressing problems with MMOS/2 such as the
>lack of much PCI soundcard support. IMHO.

I'm looking for an excuse to buy this, but don't really see what it gives
me...

Now if it was guaranteed to set up sound on my diskless IBM Network Station
I would probably give it a try.


--
John

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          12-Nov-99 22:58:09
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:08
Subj: Re: Partition Magic 5.0 upgrade

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:44:21, "Hal Murray" <hjmurray@home.com> a Úcrit dans
un message:

>  > > Are you sure that your extended partition was destroyed? It
> might just
>  > > have been converted to a "0F" partition type, which OS/2 don't
> recognise.
>  > > It's easy to restore to the previous "05"-partition type by
> running the
>  > > included PTEDIT program.
> 
> You are correct. PM 4 did not destroy the extended partition but as
> you noted above but changed the partition type. I tried PTEDIT but
> could seem to get OS/2 to 'get inside' the partition.

By the way, the latest update to V-Com's System Commander Deluxe, version 
4.031, the multi-boot utility, now includes some partition editing tools 
that appear to allow you to change the partition type manually. As well as 
geometries, boundaries, etc. Very dangerous power to have, but it's there. 
Along with the standard v.4 stuff that duplicates many PQMagic partition 
functions.

I've got a working system so I didn't want to test the changes it might 
make, but I throw this out there as a possible tool to use in such a case.

It also should be mentioned that the program includes a *lot* of notes 
regarding the use of OS/2 alongside other OSs, especially the destructive 
habits of Micro$oft installs. And some OS/2-specific troubleshooting stuff 
you don't often see, as well. Funny how, as PQMagic gets farther and 
farther from OS/2 usefulness, System Commander gets closer to it. 

Their SCIN executable is only a DOS program, but as long as your BIOS is 
reporting the same drive geometries as your OS/2 drivers do, I don't think 
you can get into trouble creating settings with it that screw things up in 
OS/2.


--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              12-Nov-99 23:15:16
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:08
Subj: Re: cannot find winsock.dll - Quicken 98

From: alan@min.net.notspam

In <as66z9at6x.fsf@sci.fi>, on 11/11/99 
   at 06:28 PM, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> said:

>> f:\tcpip\dos\etc, which is listed as "set etc=" in autoexec.bat.  Quicken
>> is set for direct internet connection.  

>Winsock.dll needs to be in your (DOS) path, not %etc%.

So should I stick it in c:\os2\mdos\winos2?


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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              12-Nov-99 23:22:08
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:08
Subj: proxy browser

From: alan@min.net.notspam

Sometimes when accessing a website, Communicator/2 spawns the windows
proxy browser.  However, the proxy browser never closes, not when leaving
the site that spawned it, and not even after exiting Communicator.  I have
to use a process killer to kill it (and the proxy browser pegs my cpu at
100%.)  How do I fix the proxy browser to close on its own?  I don't even
know how it opens!


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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              12-Nov-99 23:25:27
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:08
Subj: Re: Comm/2 v4.61 easter egg

From: alan@min.net.notspam

In <F0bNi6i4K1KK-pn2-PbkQTjSeYUIN@localhost>, on 11/12/99 
   at 02:46 PM, nospam@nospamnospam.com (Magnus Olsson) said:

>> bully for them.  The price is right.
>You have paid for Warp 4 I hope? Communicator is part of the package  (a
>natural follow-up to Nescape Navigator) 

Yes, I paid for Warp 4, and Warp 3, and OS/2 2.11.

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               13-Nov-99 01:51:17
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:08
Subj: Re: IBM WAKE UP

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Brad BARCLAY schrieb:
> 
> dinkmeister wrote:
> >
> > Development for Smack!, Staroffice and MainActor has been
> > screwed a bit because of the buggy VAC++ 4.0 compiler!  sheesh!
> >
> > Is this your way of finally killing off all the OS/2 users/developers?
> >
> > I wanna know..
> 
>         I unfortunately don't have an answer (and I really wish I did...),
but
> is there *anything* keeping any of these companies from using VAC++
> v3.0, which doesn't seem to have the limitations these groups are
> talking about (most of IBM's OS/2 products are compiled with VAC++ v3.0
> AFAIK, and many of them are significantly bigger than any of the above
> mentioned products)?

Yes! Some are using features that 3.0 doesn't provide and they chose
VAC++ because it's available for both Win and OS/2.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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