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From: whonea@codenet.net                                05-Nov-99 21:26:17
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: VisualAge C++ 4.0 - still buggy?

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:08:55, Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net> wrote:

> Do NOT upgrade to v4 if you are content with v3.
> 
> Even v3.6x (which ships with v4, but is similar in features to v3 (ie:
> makefiles still work)) is buggy.
> 
> V4/3.6 was a total disaster here, even with fixpak1.  The only reason
> I'd consider re-installing it if I had some code that needed to be
> compiled under NT and OS2, that watcom 11b can't do (which I currently
> use for that purpose).

We were thinking of moving the 3.08 code we have to 3.65 for just the 
reason you gave (migrating an app) but this makes me curious.  Were 
your problems with the compiler specifically or with the 3.65 
libraries or both?  I'll probably still have to make the effort but 
how about a brief heads up on what to look for if you don't mind.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                05-Nov-99 21:26:17
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:01:40, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) 
wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:35:52 +0100, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> wrote:
> > > I've been meaning to try my hand at OS/2 programming.  Somebody at
> > > work just gave me something called "IBM C/Set++ for OS/2 2.1".
> 
> Just to clarify (sloppy writing before) - 2.1 is the compiler version,
> not the OS/2 version.  (The box requirements say it works with OS/2 2.0
> and up).
> 
> > > Is this adequate for programming on today's Warp versions, or is it
> > > too out-of-date?
> > 
> > Depends what you want.
> > 
> > The level of C++ support will be old, this product shipped about 5 years
> > ago. Also, the level of the OS/2 Toolkit will be old. There will be
> > little support for things that are specific to OS/2 4. Unfortunately the
> > Toolkit is not available separately or for free. Having said that, the
> > difference between OS/2 2.1 applications and 4.0 applications is very
> > slight.
> 
> Really?  Hmm.. The aforementioned Warp Programming book seems to say
> something to the effect that the IBM toolkit is available for download
> from IBM, I guess this is also out of date information then?

You get either the 2.0 or 2.1 toolkit with C/Set++ but you can upgrade
that reasonably easily.  For most uses, the 2.1 toolkit is adequate 
for even Warp 4 work as the later toolkits tended to extend the 
functionality a little and add support for advanced features of the 
OS.  The fixpaks for C/Set++ are still available on the IBM sites and 
they do help a lot.
 
> Anyway, I really just want to play around for now, rather than write
> vast modern applications.

This should work but if you can get the 3.0 version for a reasonable 
price I'd suggest that.

> I guess the next concern is whether there are Y2K issues with it...

This I'm fairly familiar with.  We saw no issues when we ran a 2.1 
compiled version of a major app (lots of date fields) through a Y2K 
compliance test.
 
> Incidentally, it came with another box called "Kase:Set++", but I'm 
> not sure what that is.

Very close to the useless category.  The developers that worked on the
apps I support now discarded it very early on.

> > > Does this sound like a reasonable starting place, or would I be
> > > better off with other tools like VisualAge C++?  (The price for VAC++
> > > version 4 is prohibitive, alas.)
> > 
> > If you own a copy of C Set ++, you should qualify for the upgrade price.
> 
> It's considered an ancestor product, then?  Worth considering... I
> lost my qualifications for academic discounts almost a year ago.
> 
> > Still not cheap. The academic price is even cheaper. The biggest problem
> > with VAC++ 4 (from what I've read - I have a copy on order) are the
> > resource requirements. Apparently 128M RAM isn't really adequate. And
> > for every nice new feature there is a catch: latest level of C++
> > support, but can't compile C; fancy new GUI with orderless (no header
> > dependency) compilation, but can't compile with makefiles on the command
> > line. A bit of a simplification, but you get the idea.
> 
> Ack.  What about VAC++ 3.0 then?  That seems to appear in c.o.o.m. and
> on ebay occasionally, and I haven't seen many complaints about it.

This would be the way to go, especially if you want to do GUI work.  
The Visual Builder in 3.0 is worth a considerable amount for PM work 
even if the rest of the package turned out to be a wash - which it is 
not.  There were some bugs left in the 2.1 package, especially in the 
optimizer and some library routines.  2.1 also had some very strange 
support for early template implementation that made it too quirky for 
me to want to use and certainly nowhere near what current template 
implementations provide. With the latest fixpaks for 3.0 you get a 
fast, stable product with quite good libraries and much improved 
utility support.  We haven't committed to migrating from 3.0 to 
version 4 and probably will not do so until it becomes more usable in 
our build environment.  C support in 3.0 is also quite good, btw.  
Just make sure you apply the latest fixpak (8) to all the components.
 
> I have no particular need or desire at this time to do cross-platform 
> development in Windows.  (If I want cross-platform, I use Java, anyway.)

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: Vitus_Jensen@teaparty.fido.de                     05-Nov-99 20:38:21
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Removing ReadoNly Attribute

From: Vitus_Jensen@teaparty.fido.de (Vitus Jensen)

Moin bnreddy,

04.11.99 20:59, bnreddy  wrote a message to All :

 b> Pardon me for asking a basic question. How do I remove the
 b> readonly attribute from a file through the Dosxxx calls? I assume
 b> it can be done thru the DosSetFileInfo. But in needs the handle
 b> open with write access. And DosOpen does not allow me to open a
 b> file with Write access because the file is read only

Use DosSetPathInfo instead of DosSetFileInfo.  It doesn't need a handle.

C-x C-s
    Vitus

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From: pfitz@ican.net                                    07-Nov-99 03:55:08
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: VisualAge C++ 4.0 - still buggy?

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

Will Honea wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:08:55, Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net> wrote:
> 
> > Do NOT upgrade to v4 if you are content with v3.
> >
> > Even v3.6x (which ships with v4, but is similar in features to v3 (ie:
> > makefiles still work)) is buggy.
> >
> > V4/3.6 was a total disaster here, even with fixpak1.  The only reason
> > I'd consider re-installing it if I had some code that needed to be
> > compiled under NT and OS2, that watcom 11b can't do (which I currently
> > use for that purpose).
> 
> We were thinking of moving the 3.08 code we have to 3.65 for just the
> reason you gave (migrating an app) but this makes me curious.  Were
> your problems with the compiler specifically or with the 3.65
> libraries or both?  I'll probably still have to make the effort but
> how about a brief heads up on what to look for if you don't mind.
> 

I have an application (lh/2) that is always the first thing I try with a
new compiler. 3.65 generated bad code (ie: incorrect code).  That was
the only complaint I rememember;  I think everything else was rather
smooth (it used all my old makefiles/compiler settings I think). 

4.0 also produced incorrect code for the program.  Moving the code to
4.0 was not so smooth.

The part of my program that was failing was either (can't rememeber) the
"-lh5-" compression or decompression (for .lzh files).  The code is not
simple (but plain ansi-c).  I spent several hours trying to find the
actual "problem spot" but gave up.  The same code compilers under at
least 6 other compilers without producing bad code.  Borland (with /O)
was the only other one that failed, but one would expect that from
Borland.

I left 3.65/4.0 on my PC for several months, when fixpak 1 came out I
tried that but faired the same. 4.0's GUI was also all screwed up on my
ATI Mach64 card;  almost everything was "black", rendering most parts of
the GUI unreadable. 

Don't even get my started on the "help" system!

I eventually erased it.

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        07-Nov-99 14:48:08
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On 5 Nov 1999 21:26:35 -0700, Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net> wrote:
> > > > I've been meaning to try my hand at OS/2 programming.  Somebody at
> > > > work just gave me something called "IBM C/Set++ for OS/2, v2.1".
> > 
> > > The level of C++ support will be old, this product shipped about 5 years
> > > ago. Also, the level of the OS/2 Toolkit will be old. There will be
> > > little support for things that are specific to OS/2 4. Unfortunately the
> > > Toolkit is not available separately or for free. Having said that, the
> > > difference between OS/2 2.1 applications and 4.0 applications is very
> > > slight.
> > 
> > Really?  Hmm.. The aforementioned Warp Programming book seems to say
> > something to the effect that the IBM toolkit is available for download
> > from IBM, I guess this is also out of date information then?
> 
> You get either the 2.0 or 2.1 toolkit with C/Set++ but you can upgrade
> that reasonably easily.  For most uses, the 2.1 toolkit is adequate 
> for even Warp 4 work as the later toolkits tended to extend the 
> functionality a little and add support for advanced features of the 
> OS.  The fixpaks for C/Set++ are still available on the IBM sites and 
> they do help a lot.

Well, I'll install it and give it a try.  
On IBM's FixPak site I see "CTC0012" and "CTU0003" listed for 
"C Compiler" and "C Debugger", respectively... these are the fixes
you mentioned?

> > I guess the next concern is whether there are Y2K issues with it...
> 
> This I'm fairly familiar with.  We saw no issues when we ran a 2.1 
> compiled version of a major app (lots of date fields) through a Y2K 
> compliance test.

Great.  Sounds more and more promising.

> > Ack.  What about VAC++ 3.0 then?  That seems to appear in c.o.o.m. and
> > on ebay occasionally, and I haven't seen many complaints about it.
> 
> This would be the way to go, especially if you want to do GUI work.  
> The Visual Builder in 3.0 is worth a considerable amount for PM work 
> even if the rest of the package turned out to be a wash - which it is 
> not.  There were some bugs left in the 2.1 package, especially in the 
> optimizer and some library routines.  2.1 also had some very strange 
> support for early template implementation that made it too quirky for 
> me to want to use and certainly nowhere near what current template 
> implementations provide. With the latest fixpaks for 3.0 you get a 
> fast, stable product with quite good libraries and much improved 
> utility support.  We haven't committed to migrating from 3.0 to 
> version 4 and probably will not do so until it becomes more usable in 
> our build environment.  C support in 3.0 is also quite good, btw.  
> Just make sure you apply the latest fixpak (8) to all the components.

I do keep hearing good things about VAC++ 3.
I'll keep an eye out, but I'll see where this thing takes me first...

Thanks for the info...

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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        07-Nov-99 14:51:11
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:38:16 -0800, steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net
<steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought the only way to get the Toolkit is to
> >buy the Developer Connection. (A bit like Microsoft Developer Network).
> >It's quite expensive, and you get dozens of CDs, most of which are
> 
> You are mistaken.  A significant percentage of the OS/2 tools are
> available for free.  All you need to do is sign up for Member status.  In
> particular:
> 
>    * The Developer's Toolkit for OS/2 Warp 4.0 Update (CSD4) (G; M7)
> 
> Which will allow CSet to do Warp4 to some extent.

OK, so where do I find this?  The DevCon site lists the Toolkit itself
as Advanced level, is the update somewhere else?

I suppose if all else fails, I can pick up a used DevCon CD set, they
seem to appear in c.o.o.m. and on ebay from time to time.

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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: Johannes.Hromadka@gmx.net                         04-Nov-99 22:09:06
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Hannes Hromadka <Johannes.Hromadka@gmx.net>


Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> 
> Ack.  What about VAC++ 3.0 then?  That seems to appear in c.o.o.m. and
> on ebay occasionally, and I haven't seen many complaints about it.

I like this version.

I startet with C Set first step, and upgraded via 2.1 to 3.0. VaCpp 3.0
is a good stable compiler.
Combined with the latest Toolkit it's all I need.

The Toolkit is available via Devcon.

> I have no particular need or desire at this time to do cross-platform
> development in Windows.  (If I want cross-platform, I use Java, anyway.)

I develop on OS/2 with VaCpp V3.0, and do the final build for Win32 on
NT using VaCPP 3.5.

Even Visual Projects build without major problems.


	Hannes

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From: Johannes.Hromadka@gmx.net                         07-Nov-99 18:09:22
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:21
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Hannes Hromadka <Johannes.Hromadka@gmx.net>


Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> 
> Ack.  What about VAC++ 3.0 then?  That seems to appear in c.o.o.m. and
> on ebay occasionally, and I haven't seen many complaints about it.

I like this version.

I startet with C Set first step, and upgraded via 2.1 to 3.0. VaCpp 3.0
is a good stable compiler.
Combined with the latest Toolkit it's all I need.

The Toolkit is available via Devcon.

> I have no particular need or desire at this time to do cross-platform
> development in Windows.  (If I want cross-platform, I use Java, anyway.)

I develop on OS/2 with VaCpp V3.0, and do the final build for Win32 on
NT using VaCPP 3.5.

Even Visual Projects build without major problems.


	Hannes

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From: pedro.miranda@clix.pt                             07-Nov-99 18:16:27
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 15:15:22
Subj: FORCING DESKTOP REFRESH

From: "CLIX" <pedro.miranda@clix.pt>

Hi people, sorry for this off topic question but i don't know how to post it
so...

Does anyone knows how to make a refresh to the desktop? There must be some
api or function for this... I'm using MSVC++ 6.0 and win98.

Thanks
Pedro Miranda

P.S - Maybe it's better to reply to me personally (since this is kind of a
off topic question) so please
mailto pedro.miranda@clix.pt , cause i don't want to be flamed :)






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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           07-Nov-99 19:14:00
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: FORCING DESKTOP REFRESH

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:16:55, "CLIX" <pedro.miranda@clix.pt> wrote:

> Hi people, sorry for this off topic question but i don't know how to post it
> so...
> 
> Does anyone knows how to make a refresh to the desktop? There must be some
> api or function for this... I'm using MSVC++ 6.0 and win98.
> 

You cross-posted this to an OS/2 newsgroup.

Lorne Sunley


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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        07-Nov-99 22:00:17
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 20:07:02
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:34:59 +0100, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> wrote:
> > Incidentally, it came with another box called "Kase: Set", but I'm
> > not sure what that is.
> 
> It's a C++ generator for GUIs. I played with it a bit, but always found
> it much easier to make the GUI by writing code by hand. Without patches,
> Kase:Set++ was completely unusable on Warp 3 - never tried it on Warp 4.
> 
> VAC++ 3 and 4 have "Visual Builder", a much more usable GUI generator.

Well, I think I'll install it and check it out, anyway.  What kind of
patches - from KaseWorks, or from IBM?

Interestingly, I notice the package containing the disks has never
actually been opened before...

  
> > Ack.  What about VAC++ 3.0 then?  That seems to appear in c.o.o.m. and
> > on ebay occasionally, and I haven't seen many complaints about it.
> 
> The only big drawback is that it doesn't support ISO C++. I think it
> works with STLport though.

Something tells me non-ISO compliant code is the least of our problems
when it comes to OS/2 application development...


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From: paul_floyd@see.sig                                08-Nov-99 10:13:24
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 10:31:26
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig>


Alex Taylor wrote:

> Well, I think I'll install it and check it out, anyway.  What kind of
> patches - from KaseWorks, or from IBM?

I got the patch I had from IBM. I *think* they can be found on Leo
(http://www.leo.org/leo_home_e.html). (perhaps also Hobbes). 
 
> Interestingly, I notice the package containing the disks has never
> actually been opened before...

Quelle surprise!

Regards
Paul
-- 
Paul Floyd      Focal Ingenierie Sud
Mail: paul underscore floyd at focal dot fr

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From: rplyler@us.spamNOT.ibm.com                        08-Nov-99 15:48:00
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Re: VisualAge C++ 4.0 - still buggy?

From: rplyler@us.spamNOT.ibm.com (Bob Plyler)

In <7vrfll$af7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, cbzh@my-deja.com writes:
>When VAC++ came out I read an article about it (was it in EDM/2 ?) with
>the main point: Great concept, many fine things, but still buggy...
>
>Now there was a Fixpak1 some months ago...
>
>And now I read on WarpCast (see
>http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4368.html) that even a product
>(MainActor) is given up because of "problems with VAC++ 4.0"!!
>
>Until now I am working with VAC++ 3.0, Fixpak 8 (see my "main product"
>at http://www.datacomm.ch/cobo: "PmAs", a free Astronomy software for
>OS/2) and sometimes I am considering to "upgrade" to 4.0, but then I
>hesitate because of such bad news...
>

I installed this starting with betas.  The people involved never
did understand that people would not change the way they did stuff
that drastically.  I sent in several comments related to this, and 
their replies were, basically, "the advantages will outweigh the 
problems".  I didn't think they were right then, and still don't.  
I found it difficult and slow to work with.  I'm not using it.

Bob Plyler

IBM 3890/XP Development (not an official IBM spokesperson)

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From: alex@ckcomputers.com                              08-Nov-99 11:06:25
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 14:42:23
Subj: Help with VAC 4.0

From: Sasha <alex@ckcomputers.com>

I have resently reinstalled OS/2 on new seagate SCSI 10,000rpm hd
Now i have Xeon 550, 256RAM on supermicro board
after that VAC doesn't work anymore. Each time i am trying to create
project
i got segmentation error, Visual builder cannot starts, etc,etc
I was trying everything, fix pack 11,12, return to 10, installed VAC
Fixpack1
nothing seems to help. The rest of OS/2 works fine
If anybody had the same problem please help me to work it around.

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From: jstucklex@attglobal.net                           09-Nov-99 12:58:27
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 16:00:00
Subj: Re: Help with VAC 4.0

From: Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>

Sasha,

Try the VACPP newsgroups on the news.software.ibm.com news server.  The
VACPP support team monitors those newsgroups and should be able to help
you.

Sasha wrote:
> 
> I have resently reinstalled OS/2 on new seagate SCSI 10,000rpm hd
> Now i have Xeon 550, 256RAM on supermicro board
> after that VAC doesn't work anymore. Each time i am trying to create
> project
> i got segmentation error, Visual builder cannot starts, etc,etc
> I was trying everything, fix pack 11,12, return to 10, installed VAC
> Fixpack1
> nothing seems to help. The rest of OS/2 works fine
> If anybody had the same problem please help me to work it around.

-- 

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Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
JDS Computer Training Corp.
Sun Certified Java Programmer
VisualAge/Java Certified Advanced Technical Expert
VisualAge/C++ Certified Developer

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From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net                 09-Nov-99 21:01:28
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 20:25:15
Subj: Re: Help with VAC 4.0

From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net (Ken Walter)

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:58:54, Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> 
wrote:

>Sasha,
>
>Try the VACPP newsgroups on the news.software.ibm.com news server.  The
>VACPP support team monitors those newsgroups and should be able to help
>you.
>
>Sasha wrote:
>> 
>> I have resently reinstalled OS/2 on new seagate SCSI 10,000rpm hd
>> Now i have Xeon 550, 256RAM on supermicro board
>> after that VAC doesn't work anymore. Each time i am trying to create
>> project
>> i got segmentation error, Visual builder cannot starts, etc,etc
>> I was trying everything, fix pack 11,12, return to 10, installed VAC
>> Fixpack1
>> nothing seems to help. The rest of OS/2 works fine
>> If anybody had the same problem please help me to work it around.
>
>-- 
Find the SOMIR environment variable in your config.sys.
Make the OS2 directories first followed by the toolkit directories,
then anything else.
Let us know if this works.


>
>=======================================================
>To reply, delete the "x" from my email address
>
>Jerry Stuckle
>jstucklex@attglobal.net
>JDS Computer Training Corp.
>Sun Certified Java Programmer
>VisualAge/Java Certified Advanced Technical Expert
>VisualAge/C++ Certified Developer
>
>=======================================================

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From: rascal@mylink.net                                 09-Nov-99 20:47:20
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: rascal <rascal@mylink.net>

I recently installed VAC 4.0.  Page tabs in the IDE are black, as is the
text on them.  A strange color scheme... and difficult to work with!

Does anyone know how to fix this?

I'm using an ATI XPERT@PLAY, fixpack 12, ddpack 1.

Thanks.,
Roger Wygant

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           10-Nov-99 02:37:09
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:47:40, rascal <rascal@mylink.net> wrote:

> I recently installed VAC 4.0.  Page tabs in the IDE are black, as is the
> text on them.  A strange color scheme... and difficult to work with!
> 
> Does anyone know how to fix this?
> 
> I'm using an ATI XPERT@PLAY, fixpack 12, ddpack 1.
> 

This is probably a problem with the video card driver.

You could try to obtain an updated version and see if
that will fix it. If you are using GRADD drivers there have
been reports of problems with the IDE and GRADD drivers.

You could also try the SDD/2 "one driver does all" video
driver from Scitech Software http://www.scitechsoft.com
They are currently in beta (beta 9) and you can download
a trial copy.

Lorne Sunley

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From: pfitz@ican.net                                    10-Nov-99 06:36:09
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

rascal wrote:
> 
> I recently installed VAC 4.0.  Page tabs in the IDE are black, as is the
> text on them.  A strange color scheme... and difficult to work with!
> 
> Does anyone know how to fix this?
> 
> I'm using an ATI XPERT@PLAY, fixpack 12, ddpack 1.
> 

IBM claims this is a video driver problem,  even though every other app
on the planet (including other visual age offerings) don't suffer from
the problem.  

Sure,  it might be some strange video driver problem, like it can't
handle 2 bit bmp's when the background is not black (this is just a
guess), but that would be as "easy as pie" for them to work around (use
a 4bit bitmap), instead of whining that driver isn't 100% to spec. 

IBM told me to use the GRADD drivers (I had this problem on an ATI
mach64), unfortunately, the gradd drivers are too buggy to use.

Anyway, the problem solved itself -- VAC++ 4.0 generated bad (incorrect)
code so I erased it.

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From: NOSPAM_R.Ihle@S-t.De                              10-Nov-99 07:08:29
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 05:30:18
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: NOSPAM_R.Ihle@S-t.De (Ruediger Ihle)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:36:18, Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net> wrote:

> IBM claims this is a video driver problem,  even though every other app
> on the planet (including other visual age offerings) don't suffer from
> the problem.  

Could it be, that the the toolbar on the Borland C IDE suffers from the 
same 
problem ? It's background is supposed to be dark gray but shows up black
on several ATI cards. 

-- 
Ruediger "Rudi" Ihle [S&T Systemtechnik GmbH, Germany]
http://www.s-t.de
Please remove all characters left of the "R" in my email address

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From: ruediger.ihle@fto.de                              11-Nov-99 01:47:18
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 20:03:07
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: ruediger.ihle@fto.de

From: NOSPAM_R.Ihle@S-t.De (Ruediger Ihle)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:36:18, Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>
 wrote:

> IBM claims this is a video driver problem,  even though every other
 app
> on the planet (including other visual age offerings) don't suffer
 from
> the problem.  

Could it be, that the the toolbar on the Borland C IDE suffers from
 the 
same 
problem ? It's background is supposed to be dark gray but shows up
 black
on several ATI cards. 

-- 
Ruediger "Rudi" Ihle [S&T Systemtechnik GmbH, Germany]
http://www.s-t.de
Please remove all characters left of the "R" in my email address



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From: peter.fitzsimons@fto.de                           11-Nov-99 01:47:18
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 20:03:07
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: peter.fitzsimons@fto.de

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

rascal wrote:
> 
> I recently installed VAC 4.0.  Page tabs in the IDE are black, as
 is the
> text on them.  A strange color scheme... and difficult to work
 with!
> 
> Does anyone know how to fix this?
> 
> I'm using an ATI XPERT@PLAY, fixpack 12, ddpack 1.
> 

IBM claims this is a video driver problem,  even though every other
 app
on the planet (including other visual age offerings) don't suffer
 from
the problem.  

Sure,  it might be some strange video driver problem, like it can't
handle 2 bit bmp's when the background is not black (this is just a
guess), but that would be as "easy as pie" for them to work around
 (use
a 4bit bitmap), instead of whining that driver isn't 100% to spec. 

IBM told me to use the GRADD drivers (I had this problem on an ATI
mach64), unfortunately, the gradd drivers are too buggy to use.

Anyway, the problem solved itself -- VAC++ 4.0 generated bad
 (incorrect)
code so I erased it.


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From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu                          11-Nov-99 00:21:10
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 21:35:27
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Peter Fitzsimons 
<pfitz@ican.net>],
who wrote in article <38291261.79DF@ican.net>:
> Anyway, the problem solved itself -- VAC++ 4.0 generated bad (incorrect)
> code so I erased it.

How do you know that the code is uncorrect?  You may be hit by an
optimization which uncovers a bug in your program.  Say (based on
experience with gcc), are you accessing the same address in memory
through pointers of different type?

This is not a legal ANSI C, and finally compilers started to use
optimizations based on this rule.

Ilya

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From: peter.fitzsimons@fto.de                           12-Nov-99 01:46:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: peter.fitzsimons@fto.de

From: peter.fitzsimons@fto.de

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

rascal wrote:
> 
> I recently installed VAC 4.0.  Page tabs in the IDE are black, as
 is the
> text on them.  A strange color scheme... and difficult to work
 with!
> 
> Does anyone know how to fix this?
> 
> I'm using an ATI XPERT@PLAY, fixpack 12, ddpack 1.
> 

IBM claims this is a video driver problem,  even though every other
 app
on the planet (including other visual age offerings) don't suffer
 from
the problem.  

Sure,  it might be some strange video driver problem, like it can't
handle 2 bit bmp's when the background is not black (this is just a
guess), but that would be as "easy as pie" for them to work around
 (use
a 4bit bitmap), instead of whining that driver isn't 100% to spec. 

IBM told me to use the GRADD drivers (I had this problem on an ATI
mach64), unfortunately, the gradd drivers are too buggy to use.

Anyway, the problem solved itself -- VAC++ 4.0 generated bad
 (incorrect)
code so I erased it.




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From: lorne.sunley@fto.de                               12-Nov-99 01:46:04
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Re: USE or SPY any distant PC via LAN/INTERNET

From: lorne.sunley@fto.de

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:41:16, "Crowsort" <crowsort@universe.com> 
wrote:

> USE or SPY any distant PC via LAN/INTERNET
> 
> How YOU can Hack Windows 95-98-NT... in seconds!
> And use or spy any PC via a LAN or the Internet... as if you were
 there!
> 
> Platforms concerned:
> --------------------
> => Windows 95/98
> => Windows NT Workstation/Server 3.5, 3.51 and 4.0
> => Windows 2000

Yet another reason to resist the wiles of Microsoft.

If Outlook doesn't get you, something like this will

Lorne Sunley



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From: bxdhyc@fto.de                                     12-Nov-99 01:46:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Get Noticed!!

From: bxdhyc@fto.de

From: bxdhyc@datawise.net

http:/www.mightybiz.com



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From: alex.taylor@fto.de                                12-Nov-99 01:46:04
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex.taylor@fto.de

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:13:49 +0100, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig>
 wrote:
> > Well, I think I'll install it and check it out, anyway.  What
 kind of
> > patches - from KaseWorks, or from IBM?
> 
> I got the patch I had from IBM. I *think* they can be found on Leo
> (http://www.leo.org/leo_home_e.html). (perhaps also Hobbes). 

Well, it does seem kind of buggy...  What were the patches for,
though - were they specific Kase:Set patches, or were they C Set or
OS/2 patches?

I didn't see them on Leo after a brief look...

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: ruediger.ihle@fto.de                              12-Nov-99 01:46:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: ruediger.ihle@fto.de

From: ruediger.ihle@fto.de

From: NOSPAM_R.Ihle@S-t.De (Ruediger Ihle)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:36:18, Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>
 wrote:

> IBM claims this is a video driver problem,  even though every other
 app
> on the planet (including other visual age offerings) don't suffer
 from
> the problem.  

Could it be, that the the toolbar on the Borland C IDE suffers from
 the 
same 
problem ? It's background is supposed to be dark gray but shows up
 black
on several ATI cards. 

-- 
Ruediger "Rudi" Ihle [S&T Systemtechnik GmbH, Germany]
http://www.s-t.de
Please remove all characters left of the "R" in my email address





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From: ilya.zakharevich@fto.de                           12-Nov-99 01:46:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 16:48:03
Subj: Re: VAC 4.0 Black GUI

From: ilya.zakharevich@fto.de

From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Peter Fitzsimons 
<pfitz@ican.net>],
who wrote in article <38291261.79DF@ican.net>:
> Anyway, the problem solved itself -- VAC++ 4.0 generated bad
 (incorrect)
> code so I erased it.

How do you know that the code is uncorrect?  You may be hit by an
optimization which uncovers a bug in your program.  Say (based on
experience with gcc), are you accessing the same address in memory
through pointers of different type?

This is not a legal ANSI C, and finally compilers started to use
optimizations based on this rule.

Ilya


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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 12-Nov-99 03:30:27
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 03:36:02
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <KlgV3.35180$it.752750@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>, on 11/07/99 
   at 02:51 PM, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor) said:

>>    * The Developer's Toolkit for OS/2 Warp 4.0 Update (CSD4) (G; M7)

>OK, so where do I find this?  The DevCon site lists the Toolkit itself as
>Advanced level, is the update somewhere else?

See the G: M7.  That means it's available at General Level on CD #7.

   * NEW IBM OS/2 Developer's Toolkit Version 4.5 (A2)

Is this the one you are referring to?  I'm not sure what this is, since I
can't find it on the A2 CD. (:  I'm going to guess it's the toolkit for
WSeB.

>I suppose if all else fails, I can pick up a used DevCon CD set, they
>seem to appear in c.o.o.m. and on ebay from time to time.

Why not just sign up for Partnerworld and buy a legal copy?  The CD's are
usually available from IBM at basically manufacturing cost if you look at
the promotions.

Steven

--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Steven Levine <steve53removethis@earthlink.net>  MR2/ICE #10183 Warp4/FP11
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From: paul_floyd@focal.fr                               12-Nov-99 10:03:06
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 05:21:02
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@focal.fr>


Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:13:49 +0100, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> wrote:

> > I got the patch I had from IBM. I *think* they can be found on Leo
> > (http://www.leo.org/leo_home_e.html). (perhaps also Hobbes).
 
> Well, it does seem kind of buggy...  What were the patches for,
> though - were they specific Kase:Set patches, or were they C Set or
> OS/2 patches?

There are patches available for both C Set ++ and Kase:Set. The last C
Set ++ patches are on version 12 or so.
 
> I didn't see them on Leo after a brief look...

They might have been on an IBM site as well, but searching there is
usually a thankless task.

Paul
-- 
Paul Floyd                       Focal Ingenierie Sud
Software Engineer                http://www.focal.fr
MailTo:paul_floyd@focal.fr       Tel: +33 (0)4 76 90 96 42
Is a bargain vasectomy a snip at the price?

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From: zachmcleod@earthlink.net                          12-Nov-99 14:49:22
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:09
Subj: Real Modem

From: Don McLeod <zachmcleod@earthlink.net>

I have a 3Com/USR Internet Voice/Fax modem. I can't get the thing to run
under OS/2 Warp 4. It's NOT a WINMODEM. I can get it to run fine under
DOS, or Linux, but not Warp 4. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've
tried copying the initialize strings and using different modems types
but nothing seems to work.

Thank-you,
Zach McLeod
zachmcleod@earthlink.net


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