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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             04-Nov-99 17:05:19
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: File system recommendations?

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:53:37 +0100, Martin Nisshagen wrote:

>How many web sites or application servers runs Novell?

Probably not too many. But I think you might be surprised how many of
those web servers are sitting as nodes on an in-house Novell LAN. And,
yes, many (most) OLDER Novell servers run IPX, but on new Novell
installations TCP/IP is the recommended protocol. And, if you haven't
looked at Novell lately, you might want to take a second look now.
Novell has, hands down, the best NOS architecture out there. 


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From: pcoen@drew.edu                                    06-Nov-99 01:09:04
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: File system recommendations?

From: Paul Coen <pcoen@drew.edu>

Doug Darrow wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:53:37 +0100, Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> 
> >How many web sites or application servers runs Novell?
> 
> Probably not too many. But I think you might be surprised how many of
> those web servers are sitting as nodes on an in-house Novell LAN. And,

Of course, Netware 5.1 (announced, coming out soon, probably
within a month) comes with IBM's WebSphere included in the
package. When you add that to things like the free (downloadable)
Certificate Server and other nice pieces Novell has been adding,
it's an attractive set of technologies. NDS is rock-solid as
a directory, and it's now multi-platform (Solaris/Sparc and NT 
currently, others being tested or worked on). We've been
able to tie things into our NDS tree from Linux (Caldera, and
Red Had with NCPfs), as well as tying other applications in via
LDAP.

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        06-Nov-99 11:04:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 10:27:24
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <38207D7D.CB8EB890@dundee.ac.uk>, Charles Christacopoulos
<c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk> writes:
>"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:
>> 
>> I have to get a new tape drive.  
>Check http://www.cristie.com/
>I am looking to purchase one of their drives (admittedly a large
>autoloader) and they may be willing to bundle their backup software for
>os/2.  Well if you ask them nicely they will as they seem to bundle the
>Win95 crap with them.

I've been asking Cristie if they will be providing OS/2 drivers for the
Onstream
30/50 GB tape drives, and they hope to have something available in a month
or two. These drives seem too good to be true, pricewise, - no idea on
reliability though...

>-- 
>Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
>Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
>http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
>Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
>too)
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From: FStolpmann@knuut.de                               06-Nov-99 10:27:17
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 10:27:24
Subj: DoVolIO Error

From: Frank Stolpmann <FStolpmann@knuut.de>

Hi, 
 
in the last few days my system hung several times due to an internal   
processing error: 
 
WtHF: DoVolIO Error 
 
I don't know why it is caused. Meanwhile I changed the ibm1s506.add to   
danis506.add but that didn't change. After the error had occured chkdsk   
had a lot to do and I got severe problems to restart my system. 
 
Any hints? 
 
I use 1 IDE HD (1,2 GB) and 2 SCSI HD (2x 4,3 GB); on the IDE HD resides   
the OS/2 Bootmanager, Warp is in a logical partition on HD2. 
My system: MSI 5169 motherboard, 128 MB SDRAM, Warp 4 FP10.

 
Bye. 
 
Frank Stolpmann 
FStolpmann@knuut.de 
http://home.knuut.de/FStolpmann 
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From: Brian@webone.com.au                               06-Nov-99 20:19:01
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 10:27:24
Subj: Re: Iomega bootable zip disk

From: Brian@webone.com.au

In <BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-5z7ILj6zdj1z@lw0207-1.dial.wxs.nl>, News@The-Net-4U.com
(M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn) writes:
> 
>> anyone know if creating a bootable 100 meg Zip disk is doable?

Hang about, maybe two weeks, I am going to see if I can get it working.
I have just installed Daniela's drivers. Great so far!!
Here is a cut from the doco,
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

 If you have a removable drive which you want to boot from, this reportedly
 fails. To enable booting from this unit it has to be treated as a fixed
 one. This can be done with the option /!RMV applied to the proper unit.
 It is reported also that some Syquest drives have buggy firmware which
 doesn't report properly the support of the removable feature set. To
 announce these drives to OS/2 a removable drives add the /RMV option to
 the appropriate unit.

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Not sure how this will work yet will have to play for a bit,
Brian

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From: nospam@nospam.com                                 06-Nov-99 13:30:04
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Re: Large capacity removable media

From: nospam@nospam.com (Bruce LaZerte)

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:34:27, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) 
wrote:

>  So far, it is almost looking like another SPARQ I'm afraid.  Many 
> of the posts I have seen so far regarding it have been people on their 
> 3rd-4th Orb drives.  

This is not good.

> The main constent amongst all them is that you have 
> got to treat those Ord cartridges like babies.  Dropping them would risk 
> in loss of data.
> 

Well, that's different. Dropping anything on a hard surface could be a 
problem... although my DAT cartridges are so light I doubt that they would 
be harmed. Certainly my Syjet cartridges should not be dropped as well.

The trade-off for me is speed. I'd also thought about buying a couple of 
regular hard drives and this special hardware that allows you to remove and
swap them (but not a hot swap). Too expensive for regular, long-term 
archiving (I use DAT for that), but ok for frequent, fast backups that can 
be taken off-site for storage. But, again, if you dropped one of these onto
a hard surface ... Are the ORB drives any *worse* than regular hard drives?

I too use Info-Zip for backup and restore, currently onto my Syquest Syjet 
(1.5mb). And for the last couple of years, everything's been fine.

----------------------
Bruce LaZerte 	
Muskoka,Ontario,Canada
freshwat at muskoka dot com	

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From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com                06-Nov-99 08:51:20
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Re: Does HPFS need LBA?

From: "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com>

On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:29:21 GMT, Paul Goddard wrote:

>I upgraded my computer a couple months ago, the old hard drive is now the
>secondary. Its 2.6-GB contain an extended partition which has a 1,3 GB-HPFS
>logical drive at its beginning. Recently I created a 900 MB logical drive at
>the end of this partition and tried to FAT format this but neither fdisk nor
>partition magic version 2 would let me do this as it was outside the
>1024-cylinder limit. Partion magic does offer me the HPFS alternative but
>this partition is to be accessed by Win98.
>Looking at my BIOS settings it appears that LBA is not used on this drive.
>the BIOS does not want me to change the settings to LBA if I do I still get
>the error message when I try to format and, on boot, the capacity of the
>drive is displayed as about 500 MB but data access in unaffected. This did
>happen when I used the drive on my old computer but then I did have a 200-MB
>FAT  logical drive at the end of the physical drive and I was able to use
>the 2.6-GB capacity of the drive.
>I think I have enough space on my primary drive to copy the 1.3-GB, and then
>remove all the partitions on my secondary drive, try getting LBA to work,
>repartitioning and reformatting. Or, if Win98 does not need LBA, I could try
>using its version of fdisk to create a 900-MB logical drive at the end of
>the physical drive. I just wonder if this is safe since Win98 does not
>recognise HPFS drives.
>Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

All versions of Windows *must* boot from drive C:.  There's no way around
it.  

As to your partitioning problem, translation changes the drive geometry,
so you would need to repartition the entire drive after activating
translation.  That's not going to help you much, of course, since as I
said, you must have drive C: available for Win98 to boot from.  It does
have the ability to install the bulk of itself to another drive, but it
will not function without taking control of drive C:.



 - Mike

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From: 1156-187@onlinehome.de                            06-Nov-99 14:55:13
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Irwin Accutrak

From: "Steffen Ott" <1156-187@onlinehome.de>

Hi
I search a WWW Adress of the Irwin Archive Company or a Description
for the Accutrak External  Controller Card.

Thanks



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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             06-Nov-99 11:41:21
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 14:36:00
Subj: Re: Irwin Accutrak

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

"Irwin Archive" ??

Did Irwin get taken over by Archive? Archive subsequently got bought by
Conner, which in turn got bought by Seagate.

Soooo, Check the Seagate Web site. You may find what you are looking for
there.

Alan


Steffen Ott wrote:

> Hi
> I search a WWW Adress of the Irwin Archive Company or a Description
> for the Accutrak External  Controller Card.
>
> Thanks

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From: swsnyder@home.com                                 06-Nov-99 17:46:26
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:37:50 GMT, Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)
wrote:
>"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:
[snip]
>> I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have
>> experience with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.
>> Will it support this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?
>>
>> Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
>> newsgroup.
>
>I have the ST8000N and use it with Novaback. It works great, I usually get
>about 38MB/min
>with it. You MUST get a cleaner kit, though, and use it every few backups. I
>let my drive get dirty and had to use three swabs on it just to do a full
>restore.

I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.  As 
noted above, this drive is fast.  I'm very happy with it.


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: grahl@spam.me.not.attglobal.net                   06-Nov-99 19:29:03
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: DoVolIO Error

From: "Frank-Rainer Grahl" <grahl@spam.me.not.attglobal.net>

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:27:35 GMT, Frank Stolpmann wrote:

>>Hi, 
>> 
>>in the last few days my system hung several times due to an internal   
>>processing error: 
>> 
>>WtHF: DoVolIO Error 

It looks like one of your drives is about to fail. Try to identify the failing 

drive and move all data off it fast. I suspect it's the drive where chkdsk
finds 
the most errors.

 Regards
 Frank-Rainer Grahl
 (100270.1415@REMOVE.ME.compuserve.com  grahl@REMOVE.ME.attglobal.net)


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From: gkrupp@ibm.net                                    06-Nov-99 17:17:29
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Two SSI cards and OS/2

From: gkrupp@ibm.net (Georg Krupp)

On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:06:56, lewiscm@wfu.edu (Charles M Lewis) wrote:

> 
> I have two SCSI adapor cards in my omputer (an Adaptec Aha-2940U and an
> Adaptec 2910C).  Before I install OS/2 Warp 4.0, will it work with two
> cards.....?
> 
> 

Hy,

I use two SyLogic 8751UW- and one Adaptec 2940 -Card in one system.
There are problems to expect only in case the motherboard gets in 
trouble with the
interrupts. OS/2 doesn't.

George

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From: operagost@e-mail.com                              06-Nov-99 17:37:25
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 16:43:23
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>

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"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:

> I have to get a new tape drive.  I've got a HP Traven T-3000.
>
> I'd like to get away from HP products altogether.  They have great
> tech support, but I suspect that's because their products die so
> often.  (Long history of failures here).
>
> I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have
> experience with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.
> Will it support this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?
>
> Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
> newsgroup.

I have the ST8000N and use it with Novaback. It works great, I usually get
about 38MB/min
with it. You MUST get a cleaner kit, though, and use it every few backups. I
let my drive get dirty and had to use three swabs on it just to do a full
restore.

Backmaster 2 should support the drive, but I dumped them a while ago because
the program
was so slow. Novaback is nice because they include Windows and OS/2 versions
in the same box.

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          Havertown, PA
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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              06-Nov-99 21:53:15
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:24
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Steve Snyder wrote:
> 
> 
> I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.
> 
    You do? I thought Seagate dropped os/2 support. The STT8000N came
out long after they stopped updating their os/2 program.

-- 

sma at rtd dot com
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From: jdparker@erols.com                                06-Nov-99 17:06:12
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:25
Subj: Lost extended attributes (the saga continues - new data)

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Earlier I posted some articles about losing extended attributes on FAT
partitions whenever I ran Win98 on my multi-OS computer. I have Win98 in
one primary partition formated FAT32 and OS/2 in a logical partition
formated FAT. I have data and applications on other FAT partitions and
and some other apps and data on an HPFS partition. Not surprisingly I
was not having lost extended attribute problems on the HPFS partitions.

Well, I've found the "culprit". It's my IBM Anti-Virus program. It is
installed in Win98 and configured to run once a week scanning
executables on all partitions in view that are new or changed. Every
time it runs, the extended attribute pointers in the directory entries
of at least many (perhaps all) of the files that it has checked are set
to 0 making the extended attributes that were being pointed to lost
orphans. I've verified this by looking at the directory entries with
Graham Utilities diskedit and running Win98 with and without running
Anti-Virus.

But this didn't happen with the same configuration in Win95. So some API
that Anti-Virus is using has different behavior in Win98 and that
different behavior is to set the EA pointers to 0.

I tried some experiments using Notepad and Edit under Win98 and found
that frequently (but not always), if I look at a file with extended
attributes using these programs, the EA pointer in its directory entry
will get set to 0 even if I have made no modifications to the file. If I
do make modifications and save the file, the EA pointer will always get
set to 0 but this is no surprise. I ran this experiment on my machine
and another machine with Win98 using a floppy disk with files created
under OS/2 on it. My next experiment is to try it on a Win95 machine. My
hypothesis is that looking at files will not cause loss of extended
attributes in Win95. I won't be able to do that for a few days.

So I can solve my problem in the short term by reconfiguring IBM
Anti-Virus in Win98 to only scan the Win98 FAT32 partition and leave it
up to IBM Anti-Virus under OS/2 to deal with the rest and then be very
careful not to even look at files with extended attributes un Win98. The
long term solution I'm afraid is to reconfigure my system so that files
with extended attributes are protected from Win98, probably by
converting most partitions to HPFS leaving perhaps one for things I
might want to share between Win98 and OS/2.

Jim

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From: pcgodda@freeuk.com                                06-Nov-99 22:34:28
  To: All                                               06-Nov-99 20:02:25
Subj: Re: Does HPFS need LBA?

From: "Paul Goddard" <pcgodda@freeuk.com>

Mike Ruskai <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gunaalzrvfgrelnubbpbz.fks3u42.pminews@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> ......... As to your partitioning problem, translation changes the drive
geometry,
> so you would need to repartition the entire drive after activating
> translation.  That's not going to help you much, of course, since as I
> said, you must have drive C: available for Win98 to boot from.  It does
> have the ability to install the bulk of itself to another drive, but it
> will not function without taking control of drive C:.
>

Thanks for that. The primary drive is not a problem; it contains a primary
partition C: for Win98, a shared logical drive D: and OS/2 installed in E:.
The other physical drive is the problem. I had a logical drive, F: which was
HPFS formatted and contained data and unused programs. This was about 1.3 GB
in size and there was no problem in accessing data. I thought LBA
translation was being used until I tried to make a 900-MB FAT partition. I
received the message that this was outside the 1024-cylinder limit on
further investigation I realised that LBA was not being used, confirmed as I
have now found that Win98 sees the drive as 500 MB or so. Partition Magic
version 2 is quite happy to HPFS format the new partition but does not offer
the FAT option. I can only conclude that HPFS does not require LBA.

At present the data on the secondary drive has been backed up to a new
logical drive on the first physical drive.My BIOS seems to be resisting
attempts. to apply LBA translation to the secondary drive. Phew!

Thanks for your help anyway.

Paul


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From: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dun...               06-Nov-99 23:02:14
  To: dbongo@ibm.net                                    06-Nov-99 20:02:25
Subj: Re: NTFS drivers for OS/2 and HPFS for WinNT

Message sender: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk

To: dbongo@ibm.net
From: Charles Christacopoulos <c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dundee.ac.uk>

dbongo@ibm.net wrote:

Hi Dave,

Sorry I could not reply to you any earlier as I had to be away from the
office for a few days :-)

Basically you got the message right.  Tt is the multiple File sytems
that cause the problems.  Actually NT recognises OS/2 and leaves it
alone (may screw up with boot manager though).  Put it that way, NT was
aimed for the corporate market it had to be "true and proper" or else
corporates would not touch it.

> That's the current plan.  I didn't realize it would/could be dangerous
> to get the multiple FS thing going on.
> 
> >The other method is to put NT in a FAT partition, OS/2 in a HPFS
> >partition and get the NT 3.51 PINBALL.SYS file along with HPFS_NT.EXE.
> >This allows NT to read and write to the HPFS partitions.  My experience
> >is to use OS/2's fdisk and format to make all partitions and
> >formatting.  Also, NT won't like any HPFS partition greater than 8 gb.
> >
> 
> Thanks for the advice.  I may just hide them from each other on primary
> partitions, rather than screw around with all this potentially dangerous
> stuff.  You have had no problems with NT trashing your HPFS partitions?
> I ask because I always keep my applications on a separate partition from
> my OS. (Well, OS/2 stuff, anyways.  Windows seems to like 1 big C:
partition,
> and won't stand for multiple partitions.  Too many things force themselves
> onto C:)
> 
> Thanks for the advice.
> 
> Dave

You can hide a partition from NT but you need to be careful it does not
fall over before you hide it.
OK.  If your partition is FAT (say drive D:) you can leave it as is bot
NT and OS/2 will see it as D.

If though you want a partition with HPFS (Drive D or Drive E if you have
another disk and so on) then I suggest you do not format it or put fat. 
Boot to nt and go to (something like Disk Manager where you can find the
info to hide it from NT). When you have hidden it from NT then go back
to OS/2 and either format it or put turn it to HPFS.  NT can fall over
(had done it to me) whilst it is not recognising the file system.

Hope it helps.
Charles


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Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
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From: swsnyder@home.com                                 07-Nov-99 02:07:16
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:53:30 GMT, James Moe wrote:

>Steve Snyder wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I too have a ST8000N which I use with Seagate's Backup Exec.
>> 
>    You do? I thought Seagate dropped os/2 support. The STT8000N came
>out long after they stopped updating their os/2 program.

Maybe the STT8000N is compatible with some drive that is officially 
supported.  In any case, Seagate Backup Exec v3.0 (file dates 
are 10/31/96) *does* work with that tape drive.


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com                    06-Nov-99 18:11:14
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: DoVolIO Error

From: "Graham C. Norris" <spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com>

We had major problems with the L2 cache on one of these motherboards and
Win95 and 98. I've no idea if it is a common problem, but you might try
turning off the L2 cache (in the BIOS setup) for a while, this was the
only thing which allowed our 5169 to work reliably at all.

Graham.

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From: ned_snow@my-deja.com                              07-Nov-99 01:06:10
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Laptop Installation problems

From: ned_snow@my-deja.com

In article
<3823835d$5$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,
  yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net wrote:
> In <38237031.C9A2F2D6@cs.uofs.edu>, on 11/05/99
>    at 07:02 PM, Dick Sidbury <sidbury@cs.uofs.edu> said:
>
> Welcome to the wonderfull world of IBM LS-120 support.
>
> You CAN'T BOOT FROM IT as drive A.
>
> If you don't have a floppy drive to use as drive A, then
consider yourself
> screwed.
>
This is not universally true. My system has an LS-120 as drive
A with no real floppies installed, and I was able to install
Warp4 and can quite happily boot from an LS-120 disk created by
BOOTOS2. I did have problems with the install until I read a
post that said that the "BASEDEV=IBMATAPI.FLT" statement had to
be the last device statement in config.sys. When I made that
change, the install proceeded without problems. I have no idea
why this should make a difference, but it did in my case.

All that's left on my wishlist for the LS-120 is for the
restriction on creating PM or WPS setups with BOOTOS2 on drive
A be relaxed ( Ken? ).


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                06-Nov-99 21:05:11
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes (more data)

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Jim Parker wrote:

> <snip>
>
> Well, I've found the "culprit". It's my IBM Anti-Virus program. It is
> installed in Win98 and configured to run once a week scanning
> executables on all partitions in view that are new or changed. Every
> time it runs, the extended attribute pointers in the directory entries
> of at least many (perhaps all) of the files that it has checked are set
> to 0 making the extended attributes that were being pointed to lost
> orphans. I've verified this by looking at the directory entries with
> Graham Utilities diskedit and running Win98 with and without running
> Anti-Virus.
>
> But this didn't happen with the same configuration in Win95. So some API
> that Anti-Virus is using has different behavior in Win98 and that
> different behavior is to set the EA pointers to 0.
>
> I tried some experiments using Notepad and Edit under Win98 and found
> that frequently (but not always), if I look at a file with extended
> attributes using these programs, the EA pointer in its directory entry
> will get set to 0 even if I have made no modifications to the file. If I
> do make modifications and save the file, the EA pointer will always get
> set to 0 but this is no surprise. I ran this experiment on my machine
> and another machine with Win98 using a floppy disk with files created
> under OS/2 on it. My next experiment is to try it on a Win95 machine. My
> hypothesis is that looking at files will not cause loss of extended
> attributes in Win95. I won't be able to do that for a few days.
>
> <snip>

I ran the experiments on Win95 (I found a Win95 machine earlier than I
thought I'd be able to) and I've discovered what causes Win9x to zero out
the EA pointers.

With Notepad, Win95 behaves the same as it did on Win98. Didn't try Edit. My
hypothesis was wrong.

What's happening with the EA pointers is that Win9x is maintaining a "last
accessed date" in bytes 12h and 13h of the directory entry. When it updates
the last accessed date it also clears out bytes 14h and 15h which is where
the EA pointers are. If there is a last accessed date already in the
directory entry and it is the current date, Win9x will not update the
directory entry so the EA pointer will not be destroyed. (You can create
this scenario by creating/editing/looking at the file under Win9x thus
getting a last accessed date, then editing it under OS/2 and getting EAs and
then going back to Win9x to look at it - all in the same day.)

This leaves unexplained why running IBM AV under Win95 didn't cause loss of
EAs. Perhaps whatever APIs IBM AV uses to access files do not result in
updating the last accessed date under Win95 while those same APIs do result
in updating the last accessed date in Win98.

The reason I'm posting this information is in the hope that it might be
useful to someone. I just hope I haven't made the remarkable discovery of
fire :-)

Still
Jim
(using different machine)

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From: spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com                    06-Nov-99 18:08:29
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes (the saga continues - new data)

From: "Graham C. Norris" <spam_free_norrisg@linkline.com>

I'm glad you've finally found the culprit! I also use IBM AV, but not on
any Win98 system. Thanks also for posting your findings. It's certainly
not something I would have suspected.

A long term solution will be forced on you on 31st December this year.
This is when updates for IBM AV will cease to be available. I've a
sneaking suspicion that ANY anti-virus program may suffer the same
side-effects, so preventing Win98 running ANY anti-virus check against
FAT shared with OS/2 is probably an excellent idea.

Graham.

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From: spamretsiemynnaht@spammoc.beooha...               06-Nov-99 21:58:11
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Does HPFS need LBA?

Message sender: spamretsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohay.net

From: "Mike Ruskai" <spamretsiemynnaht@spammoc.beoohay.net>

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 22:34:56 GMT, Paul Goddard wrote:

>Mike Ruskai <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:gunaalzrvfgrelnubbpbz.fks3u42.pminews@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
>> ......... As to your partitioning problem, translation changes the drive
>geometry,
>> so you would need to repartition the entire drive after activating
>> translation.  That's not going to help you much, of course, since as I
>> said, you must have drive C: available for Win98 to boot from.  It does
>> have the ability to install the bulk of itself to another drive, but it
>> will not function without taking control of drive C:.
>>
>
>Thanks for that. The primary drive is not a problem; it contains a primary
>partition C: for Win98, a shared logical drive D: and OS/2 installed in E:.
>The other physical drive is the problem. I had a logical drive, F: which was
>HPFS formatted and contained data and unused programs. This was about 1.3 GB
>in size and there was no problem in accessing data. I thought LBA
>translation was being used until I tried to make a 900-MB FAT partition. I
>received the message that this was outside the 1024-cylinder limit on
>further investigation I realised that LBA was not being used, confirmed as I
>have now found that Win98 sees the drive as 500 MB or so. Partition Magic
>version 2 is quite happy to HPFS format the new partition but does not offer
>the FAT option. I can only conclude that HPFS does not require LBA.

No, it does not.  To make a FAT partition beyond the 1024th cylinder would
require wiping out all partitions, setting up translation, then recreating
the partitions you need.

>At present the data on the secondary drive has been backed up to a new
>logical drive on the first physical drive.My BIOS seems to be resisting
>attempts. to apply LBA translation to the secondary drive. Phew!
>
>Thanks for your help anyway.

Once you clear the drive completely (remove all partition entries), you
should be able to set translation on.


--
 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone' and reverse to send e-mail.


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From: wwiv@pppproject.org                               06-Nov-99 22:42:21
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Iomega bootable zip disk

From: "Dilbert Firestorm" <wwiv@pppproject.org>

RE: Re: Iomega bootable zip disk
BY: Brian@

>Hang about, maybe two weeks, I am going to see if I can get it working.
>I have just installed Daniela's drivers. Great so far!!
>Here is a cut from the doco,
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If you have a removable drive which you want to boot from, this reportedly
> fails. To enable booting from this unit it has to be treated as a fixed
> one. This can be done with the option /!RMV applied to the proper unit.
> It is reported also that some Syquest drives have buggy firmware which
> doesn't report properly the support of the removable feature set. To
> announce these drives to OS/2 a removable drives add the /RMV option to
> the appropriate unit.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Not sure how this will work yet will have to play for a bit,


Where does the /rmv switch come from?



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From: Brian@webone.com.au                               07-Nov-99 23:44:08
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 10:20:14
Subj: Re: Iomega bootable zip disk

From: Brian@webone.com.au

In <38250343-nukewaste@wwivbbs.org>, "Dilbert Firestorm" <wwiv@pppproject.org> 
writes:
>RE: Re: Iomega bootable zip disk
>BY: Brian@
>
>>Hang about, maybe two weeks, I am going to see if I can get it working.
>>I have just installed Daniela's drivers. Great so far!!
>>Here is a cut from the doco,
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> If you have a removable drive which you want to boot from, this reportedly
>> fails. To enable booting from this unit it has to be treated as a fixed
>> one. This can be done with the option /!RMV applied to the proper unit.
>> It is reported also that some Syquest drives have buggy firmware which
>> doesn't report properly the support of the removable feature set. To
>> announce these drives to OS/2 a removable drives add the /RMV option to
>> the appropriate unit.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Not sure how this will work yet will have to play for a bit,
>
>
>Where does the /rmv switch come from?
>

Must be something Daniela puts in.

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From: rcambra@tpg.com.au                                05-Nov-99 03:04:26
  To: All                                               07-Nov-99 21:28:08
Subj: Warp 4.0 install tactics

From: rcambra@tpg.com.au (User)

Hi all. I need help with Warp 4.0 and its installer. I D/L'ed the
latest device driver from IBM's Device Driver site to update the
install floppies so that they recognize hard drives bigger than 8 Gb.
Now my 6.4 Gb hard drive looks like this:-

PARTITION 1:		FAT16		DOS622	830Mb
PARTITION 2:		FAT32		WIN 98		2.0GB

6X CD-ROM	Primary Master
6.4Gb HDD	Secondary Master
LS-120 FDD	Primary Slave (as yet not connected)

The rest of the 3.0Gb-something freespace is idle. My question is
this; does Warp have to installed first (i.e in the first 1Gb of the
drive) because of the 1024 cylinder limit? Or can it be anywhere in
the freespace of the drive? I was told by a few others that Warp needs
to be in the first gig of hard drive space. Also, can the partition
where Warp is installed be bigger than 1Gb or what? That's my other
query. I'm asking all of this because I've been tearing my hair out
trying to get Warp installed. A few others have done it successfully,
so what's the deal with me? If anyone can assist me, offer some sane
advice or a copy of their Warp 4.0 install floppies , I would be
extremely grateful. Thanks all for reading. CYA!!!

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From: hharadon@satx.rr.com                              08-Nov-99 22:10:00
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 20:06:28
Subj: Re: NTFS drivers for OS/2 and HPFS for WinNT

From: hharadon@satx.rr.com

Hello,  I have been dual-booting for over 4 years
between NT and OS/2 using OS/2's Boot Mgr. 
My NT is ver. 4 with Serv. Pack 3 applied, OS/2
is ver. 4 with FP12 applied, Linux is Caldera's
OpenLinux.  All of these reside within a 6.4GB
drive with 11 partitions on it including BMgr.
What I have learned:

1.  NT can only read NTFS and FAT partitions
     so cannot read either HPFS nor ext-2
2.  OS/2 cannot read NTFS, so I make life
     easier by putting NT on a FAT16 part.
3.  NT will not account for any partition it
     cannot read, so it thinks it is on G: when
     it is really on H: (and depends on C: to
     be able to boot)
4.  I have used a few 510MB (to avoid huge
     cluster sizes) FAT partitions to improve
     interoperability between the two or three
     OSes.  Remember that OS/2 will not be
     able to handle long filenames on these
     parts. so anything that needs to be shared
     with OS/2 will need 8.3 naming.
5.  I can think of no reason to keep any OS
     from "seeing" the other, but .....
6.  I never let NT's fdisk ("disk administrator")
     do anything.   In fact, you are better off
     to install NT first as its install seems to 
     mangle other partitions.
7.  You must have a C: partition that is either
    fat or NTFS in order for NT to store its little
    hidden files or else I don't think it will boot.
    Older style OSes like WinXX seem to de-
    pend on a primary partition to store this
    kind of stuff and are not capable of independent
    install on an extended part. like OS/2 and Linux.
8.  Partition everything with OS/2 fdisk, then do
     any formatting and installs.
9.  Get DANIS506.ADD if you are IDE.  It or the
     newest idedasd.exe from IBM will be needed
     if you have one of the >8.4GB drives.
10.  A maintenance partition is handy.  Take
       a look for bootos2 (I think ?) 

HTH,
-- 
Howard Haradon,  San Antonio, TX 78249



On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:08:32, dbongo@ibm.net wrote:

> In <3823A058.6F0BFFB2@ibm.net>, Douglas Houck <houck@ibm.net> writes:
> >To answer your first set of questions, the easiest, most reliable way is
> >to have a FAT partition that you send zipped files back and forth to.
> >This allows for long file names from both NT and OS/2.
> >
> 
> That's the current plan.  I didn't realize it would/could be dangerous
> to get the multiple FS thing going on.
> 
> >The other method is to put NT in a FAT partition, OS/2 in a HPFS
> >partition and get the NT 3.51 PINBALL.SYS file along with HPFS_NT.EXE.
> >This allows NT to read and write to the HPFS partitions.  My experience
> >is to use OS/2's fdisk and format to make all partitions and
> >formatting.  Also, NT won't like any HPFS partition greater than 8 gb.
> >
> 
> I don't have NT 3.51, and don't know where to find a copy of PINBALL.SYS.
> But since I'm leaning towards just using a shared FAT partition, I shouldn't
> need it.
> 
> >I have about 10 machines running NT in the primary and OS2 in the
> >logical partition and have found it to work successfully.  I do try and
> >keep 32 bit NT programs on a FAT or NTFS partition.
> >
> >If you have any more questions let me know.
> >
> 
> Thanks for the advice.  I may just hide them from each other on primary
> partitions, rather than screw around with all this potentially dangerous
> stuff.  You have had no problems with NT trashing your HPFS partitions?
> I ask because I always keep my applications on a separate partition from
> my OS. (Well, OS/2 stuff, anyways.  Windows seems to like 1 big C:
partition,
> and won't stand for multiple partitions.  Too many things force themselves
> onto C:)
> 
> Thanks for the advice.
> 
> Dave

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    09-Nov-99 00:35:16
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 21:19:01
Subj: CDRW

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

	For anyone looking into buying a CDRW at a not too expensive 
price, really ought to check out the Ricoh 7040 model.  It is a 4x write, 
4x re-write, 20x read CDRW.  Thing is, and this is the best part, from 
what I have been reading (someone in a Linux newsgroup posted this) that 
Ricoh has a firmware update for the 7040 line that actually makes it into 
a 6x write, 4x re-write, and I think 24x read.

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From: ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                         09-Nov-99 00:24:20
  To: All                                               08-Nov-99 21:19:01
Subj: Setting the hard disks' spin-down timers ?

From: Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

Can anybody recommend a program (preferably free, with a URL for download)
to set and deactivate the spin-down timers of (EIDE) hard disk drives under
OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 that can change these settings on the running system
(from command line or PM) and do not require the machine to be rebooted ?

Thanks in advance for your help (please do also reply by eMail).

Greetinx/2

Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashco...               08-Nov-99 22:53:08
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:28
Subj: Re: Laptop Installation problems

Message sender: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

In <802jaa$9o3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 11/07/99 
   at 01:06 AM, ned_snow@my-deja.com said:

You're in the lucky minority then.  Myself and a lot of others posting
here never got it to work.  I, like you, wanted it to put a PM system on
it for backup and check disks.  Actually I'd settle for a bootable command
line version since my backup works from there.

Roland

>In article
><3823835d$5$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,
>  yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net wrote:
>> In <38237031.C9A2F2D6@cs.uofs.edu>, on 11/05/99
>>    at 07:02 PM, Dick Sidbury <sidbury@cs.uofs.edu> said:
>>
>> Welcome to the wonderfull world of IBM LS-120 support.
>>
>> You CAN'T BOOT FROM IT as drive A.
>>
>> If you don't have a floppy drive to use as drive A, then
>consider yourself
>> screwed.
>>
>This is not universally true. My system has an LS-120 as drive A with no
>real floppies installed, and I was able to install Warp4 and can quite
>happily boot from an LS-120 disk created by BOOTOS2. I did have problems
>with the install until I read a post that said that the
>"BASEDEV=IBMATAPI.FLT" statement had to be the last device statement in
>config.sys. When I made that change, the install proceeded without
>problems. I have no idea why this should make a difference, but it did in
>my case.

>All that's left on my wishlist for the LS-120 is for the
>restriction on creating PM or WPS setups with BOOTOS2 on drive A be
>relaxed ( Ken? ).


>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net              To Respond delete
".illegaltospam"
                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
                            For a Microsoft free univers
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From: jbarring@arn.net                                  09-Nov-99 00:11:02
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 03:31:29
Subj: Re: Large capacity removable media

From: jbarring@arn.net (Jerry)

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:34:27, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> Bruce LaZerte (nospam@nospam.com) wrote:
> 
> : Have been thinking about Castlewood's relatively new ORB (>2GB and works 
> : under OS/2 when the disks are re-formatted) but am somewhat concerned
about
> : its reliability, acceptance and the company's lifetime...
> 
> 	So far, it is almost looking like another SPARQ I'm afraid.  Many 
> of the posts I have seen so far regarding it have been people on their 
> 3rd-4th Orb drives.  The main constent amongst all them is that you have 
> got to treat those Ord cartridges like babies.  Dropping them would risk 
> in loss of data.

I have found that Syquest is still alive, still doing warranty work 
and selling drives and media.  The media price has about doubled, but 
the Sparq 1.0 Gb drive works very well, indeed.

Just my $.02
Jerry

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From: jmandres@carbon.icb.csic.es                       09-Nov-99 09:48:01
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 05:19:24
Subj: Re: NTFS drivers for OS/2 and HPFS for WinNT

From: jmandres <jmandres@carbon.icb.csic.es>

That is not completely accurate:
1.- NT can read HPFS partitions if you get pinball.sys (was in NT version
3.5).
NTFS is better than FAT, specially for setting access permission.
2.- There are new drivers for reading NT and VFAT partitions. Look at
http://www.npw.net/~dsteiner/os2/ntfs-top.html. I have just tried VFAT driver
and
it seems to work quite well.
I have the same experiences with the rest of your post. Beware of NT's fdisk
and
assign C: to WinXX.



hharadon@satx.rr.com escribi˘:

> Hello,  I have been dual-booting for over 4 years
> between NT and OS/2 using OS/2's Boot Mgr.
> My NT is ver. 4 with Serv. Pack 3 applied, OS/2
> is ver. 4 with FP12 applied, Linux is Caldera's
> OpenLinux.  All of these reside within a 6.4GB
> drive with 11 partitions on it including BMgr.
> What I have learned:
>
> 1.  NT can only read NTFS and FAT partitions
>      so cannot read either HPFS nor ext-2
> 2.  OS/2 cannot read NTFS, so I make life
>      easier by putting NT on a FAT16 part.
> 3.  NT will not account for any partition it
>      cannot read, so it thinks it is on G: when
>      it is really on H: (and depends on C: to
>      be able to boot)
> 4.  I have used a few 510MB (to avoid huge
>      cluster sizes) FAT partitions to improve
>      interoperability between the two or three
>      OSes.  Remember that OS/2 will not be
>      able to handle long filenames on these
>      parts. so anything that needs to be shared
>      with OS/2 will need 8.3 naming.
> 5.  I can think of no reason to keep any OS
>      from "seeing" the other, but .....
> 6.  I never let NT's fdisk ("disk administrator")
>      do anything.   In fact, you are better off
>      to install NT first as its install seems to
>      mangle other partitions.
> 7.  You must have a C: partition that is either
>     fat or NTFS in order for NT to store its little
>     hidden files or else I don't think it will boot.
>     Older style OSes like WinXX seem to de-
>     pend on a primary partition to store this
>     kind of stuff and are not capable of independent
>     install on an extended part. like OS/2 and Linux.
> 8.  Partition everything with OS/2 fdisk, then do
>      any formatting and installs.
> 9.  Get DANIS506.ADD if you are IDE.  It or the
>      newest idedasd.exe from IBM will be needed
>      if you have one of the >8.4GB drives.
> 10.  A maintenance partition is handy.  Take
>        a look for bootos2 (I think ?)
>
> HTH,
> --
> Howard Haradon,  San Antonio, TX 78249
>
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:08:32, dbongo@ibm.net wrote:
>
> > In <3823A058.6F0BFFB2@ibm.net>, Douglas Houck <houck@ibm.net> writes:
> > >To answer your first set of questions, the easiest, most reliable way is
> > >to have a FAT partition that you send zipped files back and forth to.
> > >This allows for long file names from both NT and OS/2.
> > >
> >
> > That's the current plan.  I didn't realize it would/could be dangerous
> > to get the multiple FS thing going on.
> >
> > >The other method is to put NT in a FAT partition, OS/2 in a HPFS
> > >partition and get the NT 3.51 PINBALL.SYS file along with HPFS_NT.EXE.
> > >This allows NT to read and write to the HPFS partitions.  My experience
> > >is to use OS/2's fdisk and format to make all partitions and
> > >formatting.  Also, NT won't like any HPFS partition greater than 8 gb.
> > >
> >
> > I don't have NT 3.51, and don't know where to find a copy of PINBALL.SYS.
> > But since I'm leaning towards just using a shared FAT partition, I
shouldn't
> > need it.
> >
> > >I have about 10 machines running NT in the primary and OS2 in the
> > >logical partition and have found it to work successfully.  I do try and
> > >keep 32 bit NT programs on a FAT or NTFS partition.
> > >
> > >If you have any more questions let me know.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the advice.  I may just hide them from each other on primary
> > partitions, rather than screw around with all this potentially dangerous
> > stuff.  You have had no problems with NT trashing your HPFS partitions?
> > I ask because I always keep my applications on a separate partition from
> > my OS. (Well, OS/2 stuff, anyways.  Windows seems to like 1 big C:
partition,
> > and won't stand for multiple partitions.  Too many things force themselves
> > onto C:)
> >
> > Thanks for the advice.
> >
> > Dave

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From: Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net                 09-Nov-99 19:08:09
  To: All                                               09-Nov-99 21:17:16
Subj: Re: Setting the hard disks' spin-down timers ?

From: "Dave" <Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net>

I had a IBM drive that would spin down adn there was NO way to stop it, so I
wrote this rexx proggy to fix that.  You could start it up detached so it
doesn't pop up in the window list, but it doesn't do that by defrault.  It
just creates a random temp file on the drive(s) edit at your will

/*  SpinUp 

        Used to keep an HD from spinning down

*/

Call RxFuncAdd "SysLoadFuncs","REXXUTIL","SysLoadFuncs"
call SysLoadFuncs
'@echo off'

do forever
        file = SysTempFilename(???)
        "echo hello > e:\" ||file
        "echo hello > f:\" ||file
        "echo hello > g:\"||file
        "echo hello > h:\"||file
/*
        "echo hello > i:\" ||file
        "echo hello > j:\" ||file
*/
        'del e:\'||file
        'del f:\'||file
        'del g:\'||file
        'del h:\'||file
/*
        'del i:\'||file
        'del j:\'||file
*/
        say time()
        call SysSleep(300)

end /* do */



On 9 Nov 1999 00:24:41 +0100, Andreas Grosche wrote:

>Can anybody recommend a program (preferably free, with a URL for download)
>to set and deactivate the spin-down timers of (EIDE) hard disk drives under
>OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 that can change these settings on the running system
>(from command line or PM) and do not require the machine to be rebooted ?
>
>Thanks in advance for your help (please do also reply by eMail).
>
>Greetinx/2
>
>Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>



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From: FStolpmann@knuut.de                               10-Nov-99 23:43:12
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 21:35:27
Subj: Re: DoVolIO Error

From: Frank Stolpmann <FStolpmann@knuut.de>

 
>  
> On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:27:35 GMT, Frank Stolpmann wrote: 
>  
> ->in the last few days my system hung several times due to an internal    
> ->processing error:  
> ->  
> ->WtHF: DoVolIO Error  
>  
> Cut and paste your IFS=HPFS.IFS line into a post here. 
>  
>  
> Trevor Hemsley, London, UK 
> (Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com) 
>  
 
Here is ts: 
 
IFS=F:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:2048 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:FIGJK 
 


 
Bye. 
 
Frank Stolpmann 
FStolpmann@knuut.de 
http://home.knuut.de/FStolpmann 
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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 00:41:11
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 21:35:27
Subj: Re: Large capacity removable media

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Jerry (jbarring@arn.net) wrote:

: I have found that Syquest is still alive, still doing warranty work 
: and selling drives and media.  The media price has about doubled, but 
: the Sparq 1.0 Gb drive works very well, indeed.

	So, do you want to endores a product after most of the users have 
been on their fifth-sixth Sparq drive?  The failure rate was absurd, 
warrenty or no warrenty.  Like the name of the product indicates, the 
Sparq went up in flames.  I would've gotten out of that by the 2nd 
return, myself and demanded a refund.  I'm pretty glad I held off buying 
one of those and went with a CDRW later on.

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From: jbarring@arn.net                                  10-Nov-99 20:02:17
  To: All                                               10-Nov-99 23:25:14
Subj: Re: Large capacity removable media

From: jbarring@arn.net (Jerry)

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:41:22, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

I don't know about others, but this is the original Sparq drive for 
me.  It has not failed.  Yes, from my experiences, I would endorse it.
 I am also considering the addition of a CDRW to my system.

Good Luck
Jerry

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From: sfgrant@my-deja.com                               11-Nov-99 05:40:16
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: CDRW

From: sfgrant@my-deja.com

In article <807q8l$695$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
  jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:
> 	For anyone looking into buying a CDRW at a not too expensive
> price, really ought to check out the Ricoh 7040 model.  It is a 4x
write,
> 4x re-write, 20x read CDRW.  Thing is, and this is the best part,
from
> what I have been reading (someone in a Linux newsgroup posted this)
that
> Ricoh has a firmware update for the 7040 line that actually makes it
into
> a 6x write, 4x re-write, and I think 24x read.

But is there an OS/2 driver for it?  I installed an HP8200i, and
apparently the only OS/2 driver for it is costly, and from a company
called, I think, RSJ.  The Windows 98 partition on my machine, where
the CDRW is fully supported, allows me to get around most of the
consequences of not having an OS/2 driver.
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 06:50:05
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 03:54:25
Subj: Re: CDRW

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

sfgrant@my-deja.com wrote:

: But is there an OS/2 driver for it?  I installed an HP8200i, and
: apparently the only OS/2 driver for it is costly, and from a company
: called, I think, RSJ.  The Windows 98 partition on my machine, where
: the CDRW is fully supported, allows me to get around most of the
: consequences of not having an OS/2 driver.

	CDRecord/2, works fine with it...provided it is the SCSI version.
CDRecord/2 is free, BTW.

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From: bov243@pasture.net                                11-Nov-99 01:28:20
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Large capacity removable media

From: Bovine Unit #243 <bov243@pasture.net>

>> Are the 5.25" MO disks single sided? I'm sure I read somewhere that both
>> sides of the disk are used to achieve the capacity stated.

>Depends on the disc.  There are both single-sided and double-sided 5.25-inch
>discs.  With double-sided discs, you need to flip the disc over.  5.25-inch
>discs are either WORM or rewritable, although all 3.5-inch MO discs are
>rewritable and single-sided.

Practically all higher-capacity 5.25" MO are double-sided. But so are
current DVD-RAM. Right now there's no way to create re-writable (or
WORM) multi-layered discs, whether DVD or not.

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From: srogge@dimes.tudelft.nl                           11-Nov-99 08:30:03
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: Large capacity removable media

From: Sven Rogge <srogge@dimes.tudelft.nl>

John Poltorak wrote:
> 
SNIP
> 
> Is there any chance of ever getting OS/2 support for DVD?
> 
> --
> John

Same question here. Just added a DVD-RAM to my work machine. Good
support under NT (UDF), ok support under Linux (ext2), no support under
OS/2. Random access 2x2.6GB for $30 is quite nice and the drive are also
quite affordable.

We have ext2 under OS/2. Can one make this work for a DVD-RAM
under OS/2? I tried to create a fs on the DVD-RAM drive letter
but failed. The 512/1024/2048 DASD driver also did not work since the
DVD-RAM does not identify itself as type 7 = MO. Maybe a modified
version of this filter would work?

Any ideas?

Sven

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From: srogge@dimes.tudelft.nl                           11-Nov-99 08:44:12
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Re: NTFS drivers for OS/2 and HPFS for WinNT

From: Sven Rogge <srogge@dimes.tudelft.nl>

Paul Saletan wrote:
> 
> Try HPFSNT.ZIP at http://hobbes.nmsu.edu.  This program automatically
> installs HPFS support -- no manual fiddling with the NT registry is
> necessary.
> 
> domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard) wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:58:51, hharadon@satx.rr.com wrote:
> >>
> >>   hh:  Thanks for the info.  I knew that NT3.51 could read HPFS, but
> >>           M$ took it out of NT4 for techno-marketing reasons.   ;-)
> >>           Where is PINBALL.SYS   ? ?
> >
> >In Russia, of course ;-)
> >
> >Go to http://ftpsearch.lycos.com, enter pinball.sys and you'll be able
> >to locate it ...
> >

The pinball.sys solution workes quite well under NT4 but not at
all under Win2k (error during driver startup). Any idea on HPFS
support in Win2k?

Sven

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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                11-Nov-99 06:22:18
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:23
Subj: Driver to Access HPFS Partitions from Win9x

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello All.

I am looking for a driver to access HPFS partitions from Win9x.

I used HPFSaccess a long time ago under dos, does anyone know of
 anything working with WIN9x?


Derek
starfire@pcs.tj


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 11:57:15
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: (1/2) Backup & Defragmentation 3.5

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

                  Backup & Defragmentation 3.5

     This is just a little primer drawn up in order to help OS/2
users to use common compression utilities such as PkZip for backing
up their OS/2 drives.  Another use for this is also to fight
against fragmentation.  OS/2's HPFS file system does not fragment
like the way FAT drives do, but it does become susceptible to it
when the drive is almost full.  So, the best remedy is to backup
the data, format the partition, then unarchive the backup back to
the original partition and you are back in business.
     Prior to doing this, be sure to create boot disks in order to
compress/uncompress the backup files.  You can use either the  
Create Utility Diskettes option in OS/2's System Folder or (a
better option) use BootOS/2 in order to make them.  BootOS/2 in
particular is more advantageous since it would only need two 3.5"
1.44 MB diskettes over the three needed by OS/2 Warp 3 & Connect
and the four for OS/2 Warp 4.  Plus, one can also use LxLite
compression with BootOS/2 in order to save that little extra bit of
disk space necessary.  As well, you can probably use it for an
LS-120 or ZIP disk whereas the Utility Diskettes option would not
support it.  BootOS/2 can be found at the Hobbes OS/2 Archive
(http://hobbes.nmsu.edu).  LxLite can be found at LEO  
(http://www.leo.org) and possibly also at Hobbes.
     I'm sure some will ask, "But John, what about PowerQuest's
Drive Image or Norton's Ghost?"  Well, there really is no problem
with those programs.  They do as advertised, they backup the hard
drive into an image.  That image can be restored onto a single
machine (or if you have the Drive Image Pro) onto a network of
multiple machines.  Unfortunately, the problem with disk imaging
programs like those is that they do absolutely nothing about the
fragmentation of the file system.  Keep in mind, programs like
Drive Image and Ghost simply make a *mirror* image of the hard
drive's partitions.  This means that not only does it copy the
data, but also the holes that whatever file system left behind
after days, months, years, etc. of disk thrashing.  In a nut shell,
Drive Image and Ghost not only copy the hard drive data, but also
the fragmentation of the file system.  This is where this little
primer really comes into play.  Of course, the advantage with
something like Drive Image Pro is the ability to restore onto a
multitude of networked computers.  Something that would be a pretty
big pain in the butt by this method.

     EXTRA: It is a good idea to make your backups booting through
your bootdisks since there maybe locked files that won't be
compressed.  Locked files are files that are currently in use by
OS/2 and will not allow any kind of manipulation from the user to
take place.
     EXTRA EXTRA: Before making a backup, it maybe a good idea to
run CHKDSK from the bootable floppies first.  Another thing, make
sure you run CHKDSK (CHKDSK X: /F:2) twice in a row.  I picked up
this little tidbit from the "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" book by SAMS
Publishing (fine book, BTW).  It is found in Chapter 18, dealing
with troubleshooting on page 941:

     "Note that if you running HPFS, then you should periodically
     run CHKDSK C: /F:2 twice.  The first pass checks and cleans
     the primary HPFS structures, and the second pass checks and
     clears the secondary HPFS structures."
   
     BTW: When I say it was tested personally under an OS/2
system, it means that I had tested it under a bootable OS/2
partition and not just a partition with data on it.

     DISCLAIMER: The only guarentee that I can possibly give is
that the methods here work on the systems that I have tested.  All
bets are off for OS/2 Warp for e-Business I'm afraid since I do not
have that.  I no longer have OS/2 Warp 4 anymore, either (sold
that).  I'm strictly running OS/2 Warp Connect, but I don't expect
much to be different from OS/2 Warp 4 though.  Basically the same
kernel and filesystem afterall.  It is with OS/2 Warp for e-
Business that is a little different since its kernel no longer has
that memory addressing limitation and uses a different method of
organizing its file system due to the addition of JFS.

     Updates:

     * Added DISCLAIMER   
     * RAR/2 2.60
     * ARJ/2 2.62
     * Windows 95 - FAT32
     * BootOS/2 9.26
   
     To Do List:
   
     * Testing ARJ/2 2.6x once it gets out of beta.  Just
     wondering, has there been any progress with this lately?  ARJ
     is now at v2.70.


                *NEWS* Warp for e-Business *NEWS*
   
     Okay, now that you've seent this, I have read of a user on
Usenet trying to use RAR/2 2.50 in order to backup their Warp for
e-Business partition.  It didn't work, apparently the EA's were
trashed.  Possibly this may have something to do with the new LVM
and JFS.  I don't know since I do not have Warp for e-Business, and
thus have no way of verifying.  So at this point in time it is best
not to try using any of these methods for backing up Warp for
e-Business.
     In the event if anyone is successful, please email me ASAP and
give me the details.


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Overall 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Compression    | Disk Spanning | Requires PM |  Recovery | EA's | 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
PkZip/2 2.50   |      Yes      |     Yes     |    Yes    |  Yes |
Info-Zip 2.22  |      No       |      No     |    Yes    |  Yes |
RAR/2 2.60     |      Yes      |      No     |    Yes    |  Yes |
ARJ/2 2.62 Beta|      Yes      |      No     |    Yes    |   No | 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Disk Spanning: Ability to support multiple archives.  Basically
     once the disk or cartridge is full, it can ask the user to
     insert another disk or cartridge in order for it continue. 
     A Yes is good.
Requires PM: Does the compression program require the PM,
     Presentation Manager.  This is OS/2's GUI.  A no is a good
     answer since it would be impossible to boot OS/2 up with
     regular floppies with the PM (unless it was a ZIP/LS-120
     booting with A: drive).
Recovery: Ability to recover/fix a corrupt archive, ie. PkZipFix.
     A yes here is a good answer.  If the file is corrupt you can
     at least salvage something from it.
EA's: Ability to save OS/2's Extended Attributes.  A yes here is
     a must for OS/2.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
   
Info-Zip for OS/2 (v2.22)
http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/
   
     Works very well under OS/2.  Use the following switches:

zip -rS$ (destination/name of backup) *

example:

zip -rS$ F:\BACKUP.ZIP *

     Stick unzip.exe onto your OS/2 bootdisks, to restore the
drive simply:

unzip (name of backup)

example:

C: (being where I want it unzipped)
unzip F:\BACKUP.ZIP

     Info-Zip is fine if you are just going to back it up to
another partition or have a removable media drive large enough to
fit it.  Currently, Info-Zip is not able to handle disk spanning.
It is a future feature to be added according to their home webpage
when 3.0 comes out.

     Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's).

-----------------------------------------------------------------

PkZip for OS/2 (v2.50)
http://www.pkware.com

     Another that works well under OS/2.  Perhaps a little better
than Info-Zip since PkZip does handle disk spanning.  Use the
following switch:

pkzip /add /attr=all /dir=full /rec /volume=(drive letter)
       (destination/name of backup) *

example:

pkzip /add /attr=all /dir=full /rec /volume=C F:\BACKUP.ZIP *

     To enable disk spanning, add the /span switch before the
/volume one.
     Take note, use pkzip.exe, do not use pkzip2.cmd or else it
will simply fail and just zip up the volume label in a file
called "all.zip".

     Now to uncompress the archive, simply go:

pkzip /attr=all /dir=full /extract /mask=none /rec /volume=C
      (destination/name of backup)

example:

pkzip /attr=all /dir=full /extract /mask=none /rec /volume=C F:\BACKUP.ZIP C:

     Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's).

     Extra Note: Apparently the geniuses at PkWare designed PkZip
for OS/2 needing the Presentation Manager.  So, using the boot
disks from the Create Utility Disks function will not work.  The
only way for BootOS/2 to get this to work is with the TYPE=PM
option.  This of course will require a bootable device large
enough to handle the extra data.  So really you are going to need
a bootable ZIP or LS-120 device in order to get this working.
With that said, you can use unzip.exe in order to uncompress the
pkzipped files.  But, that has a problem too.  Currently UnZip
5.40 will not be able to unzip multiple archives (like Zip 2.22).
This is slated for the next major release (UnZip 6.00).

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*UPDATED*

RAR for OS/2 (v2.60)
http://www.rarsoft.com

     So much for easiest. :-(

     The folks behind RAR are now combining the OS/2 and DOS
versions together.  Now that is not the problem I have with it, it
is the fact that they are no longer going to provide a text-based
shell for RAR does.  After a couple of people emailed RARSOFT, the
response they got back was that they have no intention of putting
in a text-based shell anymore.  So, RAR is relegated back to the
rest of the command line utilities.  Pity.  It was a terrific and
easy compression utility to use.  I have kept the v2.50
instructions for anyone who still plans to use it, but be warned,
there are some fixes that v2.60 brings that people maybe interested
in.  Here are the most notable fixes:

1. Both compression and speed have been improved for RAR archives.
My thanks to Alexander Khoroshev and Bulat Ziganshin for hints,
which allowed me to achieve this.

<snip>

4. Previous RAR versions were not able to handle single files and 
archives larger than 2 GB. This limitation does not exist any 
more for RAR archives.  The new limitation is slightly more than 
8,589,934,591 GB, that practically means "unlimited".  Note that 
Win-95/98 file systems cannot handle files larger than 4 GB, you 
need to use NTFS to work with such files. 

This improvement is valid only for RAR archives, 4 GB limitation 
for ZIP archives is not changed. 

5. Significantly increased speed of scanning for large numbers of 
files before archiving operations. Memory management also is 
optimized, so now it is possible to handle hundreds of thousands, 
or even millions of files.  WinRAR has been succesfully tested 
with over million files. 

6. Console RAR shows the total percentage of processed data when 
archiving instead of the current file percentage as before. 

     What is worse is that the RAR.TXT console manual is only
distributed in the WinRAR 2.60 for Windows 95/98 file.  I am just
wondering if they are that intent on killing their DOS and OS/2
user base, but anyways...

     I have yet to get this to work unfortunately. :-(

     I tried this to backup my OS/2 boot drive (C:).

C:\
rar32 a -m0 -r f:\test.rar

     It always comes out as "WARNING: No files added".  Funny thing
is, if I am in a directory it works.  Like this:

C:\UTILS
rar32 a -r f:\test.rar

     Anything in my UTILS directory such as FM2UTILS will be
archived properly.

C:\UTILS\FM2UTILS
        \CDRECORD
        \ETC

     All that is compressed.  Yet the thing is, if I am present in
my C:\, then the warning message alluded to earlier will always
appear.  Did I miss anything?


*OLD* 

RAR for OS/2 (v2.50)

     Easiest one to use due to its Norton Commander-like
interface.  Go into RAR's configuration (press F9, it is the
first item on the menu) and make sure the following are checked
on:

     X - Always Solid Archiving
     X - Put Recovery Record

     X - Read Only
     X - Hidden
     X - System
     X - Archive

     X - Save extended attributes

     It could also be a good idea to check on multimedia
compression in order to get better compression.  The rest is
merely of choice, especially the compression (six methods to
choose) whether to be for the best compression (slowest) or no
compression at all in simply storing the files (fastest).
     In order to backup your OS/2 drive, simply hit the "+" key and
push enter in order to highlight all the directories (or select
whichever one's you intend to backup).  Push F5 in order to
compress onto a disk/cart and use Autodetect method in order
to ensure spanning across disks/carts (or you can specify exactly
what size you want).  Very easy.
     
     Take Note: Do not use "UNRAR.EXE" to restore!  Otherwise you
     will get a "Desktop can not be found in OS2.INI file,
     attempting to create Temporary Desktop" error message, where
     the Temperary Desktop will also fail, leaving you sitting at
     the PM with one OS/2 Window session.
   
     In order to restore, place RAR.EXE onto the OS/2 bootable
diskettes.  Start RAR.EXE up, now go to wherever you have the
file backed up to, enter it, this will allow you view the files
that are compressed inside the archived file.  Once that is done,
hit the "+" key and press enter in order to highlight all the
files.  Now, press ALT-F4 in order to restore by choosing the
destination.  Simply put in "C:" or wherever your original boot
partition was.  Once all of it extracted, there you go.  I think we
have a winner.
   
     Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's) and a Warp
3 system (FP40 applied).

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ARJ/2 (v2.62) *UPDATE*
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu

     I confess that I have not yet tested ARJ/2, but I wouldn't
recommend using it just yet since it is still in a beta stage,
and does not save EA's.  But you could use EAUTIL in order to do
this for you, but that is a bit of a chore especially since the
other compression utilities here can do this automatically.  So
what would be the point?

     What's the point?  Well, it looks like there is quite a good
point now that RAR/2 has changed a bit.  I am guilty of letting
ARJ/2 go by the wayside.  Hopefully I can make ammends by getting
off my lazy duff and trying to figure out a way to get ARJ/2
working in this manner of B&D.  Now, as I said earlier ARJ/2 is

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 11:57:15
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 10:44:24
Subj: (2/2) Backup & Defragmentation 3.5

still in beta and does not save extended attributes.  The EA's are
as you know a pretty big deal for where OS/2 is concerned.  Luckily
there was help well before the ARJ/2 port was even started. 
EABACKUP & EARESTORE, two programs which make up EABK203.ZIP which
can be downloaded from Hobbes.  These utilities date way back to
1994!  Their sole purpose of being is to backup/restore OS/2's
extended attributes.
     Before I get started, be sure you use v2.61 and not v2.62, I
remember getting an email from the guy making the port.  He stated
that there is a bug with v2.62, problem is I can't remember for the
life of me on what that even was.  I think it had something to do
with the length of characters on a HPFS file name.  So, best use
v2.61 for now.  You will also noticed that there is a LX compressed
version available for download from Hobbes.  Good idea to nab that
one in order to stick onto the bootdisks.

     To backup OS/2, assuming your OS/2 drive is C: drive, run
ARJ/2:

arj a -a1 -b2 -jf -js -r -vvas X:/BACKUP.ARJ C:

     It will then go into its own command shell, just type in exit
and it will start packing away.
     To adjust compression method, the syntax is -m<0-4>.  0 is for
no compression (just storing), 1 is actually the best compression
which is the default.  2-4 being lower, 4 beingt the fastest
offering the least amount of compression.  Now, there is a way to
add build protection (-hk) but I would strongly recommend against
it.  I suppose this is like RAR/2's adding recovery record, but a
warning to anyone using it, it takes forever just to complete.  The
(-va) is to enable the autodetection disk spanning.  You can
specify the amount if you wish (eg. -v1440 for 1.44 MB floppies).
     Now, to backup the EA's:

EABACKUP C: X: /S

     This will create two files on the X: drive, EA@BDATA.EAB and
EA@INDEX.EAB.  Now you can format the C: drive.  To restore, run:

arj x X:/BACKUP.ARJ C: -vv -y

     Don't forget to restore the EA's!

EARESTOR X: C: /S

     Now you are set, reboot and everything should now be working.

     Personally tested under a Warp 3 system (FP39 applied).

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Note: I only intend to write about currently supported compression
utilities.  In otherwords, LHA and ZOO for instance I simply will
ignore.  Neither one has been updated since 1989-1993, and are
relatively old and obsolete given the others listed here.


Windows 95 - FAT32 (http://www.microsoft.com) - *UPDATED*
   
     So, you want to just dump OS/2 forever and head off into
merry merry Windows 95 land?  Well, I have not had the
opportunity to try this using Windows 95 on a VFAT partition,
but under FAT32, there is simply no way you can backup a
Windows 95 partition using stuff like PkZip for Windows or
WinRAR.  The problem is that there are certain locked files
at play.  PkZip for Windows did complete, but now you have the
even bigger problem of trying to restore it from a bootdisk.
Won't happen, I'm afraid.  When I tried this booting off of a
Windows 95 boot disk, running PkZip 2.50's PkUnZip utility, it
would not work because it complained of a lack of memory
(apparently the FAT32 support on the bootdisk takes up a lot
of memory as I'm always stuck with 542k conventional RAM).
The last hope was RAR for DOS, but that too also complained of
a lack of memory.  So, what's the point of using a Windows
compression utility in order to backup the entire Windows 95
partition if there is absolutely *NO* way of restoring it?
     Now, where exactly am I going with all this?  Simple,
thanks to the great FAT32 driver written by Henk Kelder, one
can actually follow the exact methods listed here with the
various compression utilities in order for OS/2 to backup
Windows 95 through OS/2!  Using RAR/2 in the identical manner
listed earlier will allow you to backup a Windows 95 partition.
Once backed up, you can boot up with the Windows 95 bootdisk
and then format the partition, re-boot back into OS/2 and use
RAR/2 in order to restore the Windows 95 partition back to
its previous state.  Now when you look at the disk with Norton
Speedisk or booting Windows 95 up with a bootdisk in order to
use ScanDisk (to see the entire disk information) you will see
all the clusters neatly arranged in perfect order.  No
fragmentation!  The advantage to using this method over using
programs like Microsoft Defrag or Norton Speedisk is that they
are not always perfect and can in fact at some times break
files.  My motivation in going to all of this trouble was
because after using Defrag, I found that one of my .WAV files
in my Multimedia Themes was broken and could not be accessible.
Imagine what else could break.
     I have not tried using Info-ZIP or PkZip for OS/2, but
I figure they would work with the same restrictions applied
(ie. Info-Zip no disk spanning, PkZip needing the Presentation
Manager).  In order to install Henk's FAT32 driver, I simply
followed the quicky instructions he had listed in the FAT32.TXT
file, using PARTFLT.FLT and not the OS2DASD.DMD file he had
modifyed (on my OS/2 box it trapped as a result).  On the
IFS=FAT32 line I did not have /EAS on (enabling Extended
Attribute support).
     So, do you *really* want to dump OS/2?  Didn't think
so.  A question...could this method work with Linux?  There
is a ext2 driver available for OS/2, that I know of.  Perhaps
that is something else for me to try and play with! ;-)

     Ok, I may have jumped the gun here. ;-)

     Apparently there is a way to do this under Windows 95 and I'll
assume Windows 98.  I won't bother detailing the methods but it
will require a piece of shareware called DOSLFNBK in order to
backup its long file names.  But, it is nice to know that one can
do this within OS/2 anyways.
     I am definately going to find out whether or not one can do
this with Linux.  There is an ext2 file system driver available for
OS/2.  The reason why is that I see no way of actually doing this
under Linux.


CONCLUSION

     The best compression program for backing up OS/2 with should
by right be RAR/2, but I can't get it working properly.  So the
title for "Best Compression Utility" is essential up for grabs. 
However, for those that have been using RAR/2 2.50 without any
problems should probably keep doing so.  I just hope that the
newest version of RAR/2 can be made to work since it does offer
some fixes.  As for the other compression utilities, each and
everyone one has their own little drawback.  Info-Zip is great,
until you want it to span across multiple disks/carts.  PkZip was
almost the one, but the folks at PkWare thought it was necessary
that the Presentation Manager be loaded with it, too.  The only
real drawback that ARJ/2 has is that it is still labelled as beta
software and I have not heard anything about it in the past year.
     Ironically enough, the heir apparent to RAR/2 2.50 looks like
it is a piece of beta software.  That's right.  ARJ/2.  Only you
will need EABK203.ZIP from Hobbes in order to really get it
working.  Hopefully, by the time ARJ/2 gets out of beta, one would
not need EABK203.ZIP anymore.  So for the people that have been
having problems with RAR/2 2.50 with the new OS/2 Warp for e-
Business, give ARJ/2 a go and report back to me.


BOOTOS/2 Notes: *UPDATE*
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu - latest version is 9.26

     The documentation in the latest version of BootOS/2 (9.26)
states that the problem being described later is supposed to be
now fixed.

     There seems to be a problem with Warp Connect & FP39 when
trying to make a BootOS/2 TARGET=x TYPE=PM partition.  It creates
it fine, but when I boot it up, it freezes at the "OS/2" box that
appears on the top left-hand corner.  Weird.  I could not boot
to a PM partition (BOOTOS2 TARGET=x TYPE=PM) even when I was back
down in FP26!  Same symptom occurs, during bootup it just freezes
at the "OS/2" box on the top left-hand corner.  The samething also
occurs in FP40, BTW.
     Even making just the floppies seems to cause a small error
with Warp 3 & Connect.  Under FP40, for instance, upon making the
two disk system (BOOTOS2 2DISK=A) after loading up the first disk
it would give me a blank screen and stop dead in its tracks,
going no further.  The solution, copy SESMGR.DLL from your
x:\OS2\DLL onto your BOOTOS2 disk 1 (A:\OS2\DLL).  This also
happened under FP39, BTW.  If you do run into any other kind of
problem with the BOOTOS2 floppies, press ALT-F2 upon booting up
the diskettes just to see what happens.  On this occasion for
example, upon pressing ALT-F2, the screen said that SESMGR.DLL
was not installed in any of the LIBPATH directory statements on
the diskette.
     Warp 4 seems to have absolutely no issues whatsoever, either
a TYPE=PM or 2DISK=A under any of the FP's I have used (FP1, FP6,
& FP10).


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From: letoured@nospam.net                               11-Nov-99 08:22:26
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: CDRW

From: letoured@nospam.net

>: But is there an OS/2 driver for it?  I installed an HP8200i, and
>: apparently the only OS/2 driver for it is costly, and from a company
>: called, I think, RSJ.  The Windows 98 partition on my machine, where
>: the CDRW is fully supported, allows me to get around most of the
>: consequences of not having an OS/2 driver.

There are trade-offs to this. With RSJ you can use a CD as a standard
drive. The wincrap means you have to spend and hour formating the CDs. 



_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Nov-99 13:48:18
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 14:39:01
Subj: Re: CDRW

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

John Hong (jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca) wrote:
: sfgrant@my-deja.com wrote:

: : But is there an OS/2 driver for it?  I installed an HP8200i, and
: : apparently the only OS/2 driver for it is costly, and from a company
: : called, I think, RSJ.  The Windows 98 partition on my machine, where
: : the CDRW is fully supported, allows me to get around most of the
: : consequences of not having an OS/2 driver.

: 	CDRecord/2, works fine with it...provided it is the SCSI version.
: CDRecord/2 is free, BTW.

	Forgot to add that the firmware upgrade is a Win95 application so 
you will need at least that on the machine somewhere.

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From: marky_marky@bellatlantic.net                      11-Nov-99 22:42:17
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 21:27:03
Subj: Re: Backup & Defragmentation 3.5

From: marky_marky@bellatlantic.net (Marky)

On 11 Nov 1999 11:57:31 GMT, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John
Hong) wrote:

>
>                  Backup & Defragmentation 3.5
>
snip!
>     I'm sure some will ask, "But John, what about PowerQuest's
>Drive Image or Norton's Ghost?"  Well, there really is no problem
>with those programs.  They do as advertised, they backup the hard
>drive into an image.  That image can be restored onto a single
>machine (or if you have the Drive Image Pro) onto a network of
>multiple machines.  Unfortunately, the problem with disk imaging
>programs like those is that they do absolutely nothing about the
>fragmentation of the file system.  Keep in mind, programs like
>Drive Image and Ghost simply make a *mirror* image of the hard
>drive's partitions.  This means that not only does it copy the
>data, but also the holes that whatever file system left behind
>after days, months, years, etc. of disk thrashing.  In a nut shell,
>Drive Image and Ghost not only copy the hard drive data, but also
>the fragmentation of the file system.  This is where this little
>primer really comes into play.  Of course, the advantage with
>something like Drive Image Pro is the ability to restore onto a
>multitude of networked computers.  Something that would be a pretty
>big pain in the butt by this method.

While I agree with you that Drive Image saves an image _with_ the
fragmentation, Ghost does not work that way. From personal experience,
(FAT only) I can tell you that Ghost does file by file copying to and
from saved images. It is also saving additional info besides just the
files so it can restore the paritioning and boot sector info (for the
drive and each partition). The file by file copying means that on
restores, all the files and the free space are defragmented. I haven't
experienced directory fragmentation, but it may be possible with
directories that require more than one cluster: I just don't know.

Unfortunately, at least as of 5.1c, you are correct that you can't use
Ghost for backup and restore. The 5.1c version, saving on a file by
file basis, does not understand the additional info in the directory
entry that links an OS/2 file to EA DATA. SF (at least on FAT
partitions: I never tried it on HPFS). The result being, on a restore,
the EA info is totally corrupted. This is supposedly fixed in 5.1d,
which I have, but I haven't tried it on a partition with EAs yet. Or,
you could use EABACKUP and EARESTOR, as you suggest for
other tools that don't understand EAs.

Marky

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From: rsstan@ibm.net                                    11-Nov-99 19:20:03
  To: All                                               11-Nov-99 21:27:04
Subj: Re: Orb Drive Reliability?

From: "Bob Stan" <rsstan@ibm.net>

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:43:22 GMT, Ken Walter wrote:

>I saw reviews on computers.com that thr Orb drive has
>a high failure rate.  I would like to hear of OS/2 experiences.
>
>It also seems that only internal EIDE drives are available.
>Any comments on this?
>
I have an Orb internal IDE drive.  Actually my second.  The first failed
after about a month of use.  It was replaced with no hassle, but took about
four weeks for the replacement to arrive.  The second has worked fine for
about five months.  I have had no problems with the cartridges.


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From: cjhrph@mindspring.com                             12-Nov-99 11:02:06
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 10:28:26
Subj: Warp 3 install problems

From: Christopher J Houle <cjhrph@mindspring.com>

Can someone help me install Warp on my system.  

I currently have several problems:

1. Fdisk could not recognize my > 4 gb drive. I was able to surmount this by
downloading the drivers from ibm and including it on install disk 1. 

2. I am unable to install all of the drivers from the driver file onto disk
one because they wont fit. Is there any way around this ? 

3. After getting disk 6 to install, the machine reboots and is just locked up
in dead black space. It will not go any further. 

If you can help please email me 

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From: skidmarx@att.net                                  12-Nov-99 19:33:02
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:09
Subj: How to set partition Installable ???

From: "Gregory L. Marx" <skidmarx@att.net>

Hello,

Does anyone know how to set a drive partition "Installable"?

Besides the normal FDISK route ... Tried that and it doesn't work !!!

I'm trying to install Warp 4 on the slave drive (a 2gig Fujitsu) of my
Primary IDE port.
It allows for setting "Startable" sortof - when I run FDISK again the
"Startable attribute is reset.

What is the sercret ?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated !!!

Thanks,
Gregory L. Marx
skidmarx@att.net

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           13-Nov-99 00:58:10
  To: All                                               12-Nov-99 21:25:09
Subj: Re: How to set partition Installable ???

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:33:04, "Gregory L. Marx" <skidmarx@att.net> 
wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone know how to set a drive partition "Installable"?
> 
> Besides the normal FDISK route ... Tried that and it doesn't work !!!
> 
> I'm trying to install Warp 4 on the slave drive (a 2gig Fujitsu) of my
> Primary IDE port.
> It allows for setting "Startable" sortof - when I run FDISK again the
> "Startable attribute is reset.
> 
> What is the sercret ?
> 
> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated !!!

Do you have boot manager installed?

I believe that is required to set a partition on the
secondary drive(s) as installable.

Lorne Sunley

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