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  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 04:10:00
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From: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-m...               31-Oct-99 12:02:24
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 22:05:18
Subj: Re: dynamic loadable driver (OS/2)?????

Message sender: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-magdeburg.de

From: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-magdeburg.de (Martin Schaff”ner)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:26:11, Robert Marcano <robmv@ibm.net> wrote:

> Este es un mensaje de varias partes en formato MIME.
> I am making a device driver with VisualAge C++ 4.0 for OS/2, and
> looking on the online help I found the term: "dynamic loadable driver",
> 
> that use the extension "dld" (Sounds like a good thing, but this is the
> 
> first time that I hear about it). But no more information than that,
> Can somebody help me and tell me how it works?, how can I build one or
> where to find information about that?
> 
> TIA

Not that I would know of any more information, but here is what I saw 
when using watchcat on the warp server for e-business beta.  When 
listing all modules, the kee.dld showed up.  KEE stands for Kernel 
Execution Environment, something like a 32-bit interface for drivers. 
Now, it does not show up in the config.sys, nor is there a file called
kee.dld.  But at warpstock europe somebody briefly talked about KEE, 
that it is being used by IBM internally, but that it is not supported 
nor documented.  I have contacted him about some more information and 
will be back as soon as I know more.

CU/2,

Martin Schaff”ner

Suzuki GS650G Katana
OS/2 Warp 4 with FixPak 11
There are currently 28 processes
with 119 threads active.
This machine's uptime 0h 15min 30sec.

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From: stepp@yahoo.com                                   31-Oct-99 17:03:17
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:07
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From: veit@borneo.gmd.de                                01-Nov-99 08:13:17
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:08
Subj: Re: dynamic loadable driver (OS/2)?????

From: veit@borneo.gmd.de (Holger Veit)

On 31 Oct 1999 12:02:49 +0100, 
	Martin Schaff”ner <martin.schaffoener@student.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:26:11, Robert Marcano <robmv@ibm.net> wrote:

>Not that I would know of any more information, but here is what I saw 
>when using watchcat on the warp server for e-business beta.  When 
>listing all modules, the kee.dld showed up.  KEE stands for Kernel 
>Execution Environment, something like a 32-bit interface for drivers. 
>Now, it does not show up in the config.sys, nor is there a file called
>kee.dld.  But at warpstock europe somebody briefly talked about KEE, 
>that it is being used by IBM internally, but that it is not supported 
>nor documented.  I have contacted him about some more information and 
>will be back as soon as I know more.

The KEE-API is described. Check my OS/2 page.

The Aurora kernel contains a MTE for KEE.DLD; that's why watchcat reports
this extension. KEE is a kernel internal DLL, like DOSCALLS, and a few
other libs. Practically, there is no good reason why it is called DLD,
as its MTE is statically created during kernel init like the other ones.

Holger Veit

-- 
If Microsoft is ever going to produce something that does not suck,
it is very likely a vacuum cleaner.

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From: leonz@ibm.net                                     01-Nov-99 11:37:21
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 10:23:24
Subj: Re: WPS class WPINSTALL

From: leonz@ibm.net (Leon D. Zetekoff)

On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:42:30, ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya 
Zakharevich) wrote:

> [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Leon D. Zetekoff
> <leonz@ibm.net>],
> who wrote in article <tHwke3MKmMK7-pn2-3BI2uf76RzSw@shana.stiscan.com>:
> > I've been after IBM ever since they abandoned the Software Installer. 
> > Recently I tried again and they refuse to make it public. Talk about 
> > tunnelvision.
> 
> Given what piece of junk SoftInstaller was, I'm not surprised.  Is
> Feature Installer similar in crappiness?  I have never seen it...

Hi Ilya...

In  actuality the Software Installer is fairly powerful. It's too bad 
they never kept fixing the bugs. Feature Installer is IBM's new way of
installing most OS/2 products. It uses Netscape. IBM was supposed to 
release a toolkit but they're keeping it INTERNAL. Now that makes 
plenty-of-sense...my only thoughts are they don't want to have to 
support it to the outside world.

Take care, Leon

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashco...               01-Nov-99 09:28:16
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 14:27:20
Subj: Re: OS/2 WSeB and Watcom 11.0b - Debugger doesn't work

Message sender: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

In <38060C75.2358068B@bogusdomain.com>, on 10/14/99 
   at 01:01 PM, bogus <bogusaddress@bogusdomain.com> said:

It has been a long time since I installed or used my Watcom C/C++
compiler.  As I recall they were matted to DOSCALL.  If some crummy
software package shipped a different version of it you had problems under
OS/2 unless you got an update from Watcom which used the newer version of
DOSCALL.  Since Powersoft took the Watcom compiler out and shot it (Wonder
if Novell will buy it?) you are probably screwed.  Join devcon and you
will get the VAC++ compiler (on a quarterly trial basis) as part of your
subscription.

Roland

>Under OS/2 WSeB, Watcom 11.0b's debugger generates an error message any
>time you debug an app with symbols.

>The error message Watcom generates is "A task exception has occurred
>general protection fault."

>After you restart the app you get a regular OS/2 trap page talking about
>an error in DosCall1 but the address doesn't jive with what the debugger
>shows, so I'm thinking this is a collateral error.

>It appears to die in the startup code.  If you pick "Debug Startup" from
>the Run menu, then it doesn't die immediately.  I tried tracing through
>the startup code to see if I could peg it down a bit better, but there is
>a lot of source to trace through as assembly and the OS portions tend to
>hang a lot under the debugger (ctrl-alt-del).  It appears that Debug
>Startup puts you just before DLL initialization (which agrees with what
>the DOCS say).  

>After I chose to show all modules in the module window, I noticed that
>there is a difference between WSEB and Warp4: in WSEB the first call
>after a debug startup goes to PMSPL.DLL but in Warp it goes to
>DOSCALL1.DLL.  I don't know if the order that dll's get initialized
>depends on some obscure outside condition, but it isn't going to depend
>on the order of the files in the directory since HPFS always presents
>files in alphabetic order so if this is the case the files should always
>load in the same order.  This behavior strikes me as very strange.

>I tried adding the C startup code to the source path, but that didn't
>seem to help.  I also added breakpoints at the entry point to the RTL but
>it trapped before it got there.  When the app dies, it doesn't list a
>module at the top of the assembly window.

>I'm thinking that this thing is dying somewhere in the Debugger's loading
>routine before it even hits the RTL or my app.

>I also tried running Borland TD 1.01 on a borland generated version of
>the app and it worked without fault.

>I ran WATFIX against my EXE and it reported no DLL fixup errors.

>To Al Balmer:

>The SYM file is separate.  I don't know about -d1 or d2, I'll try that. 
>I did try all three formats (Dwarf etc) and that didn't make any
>difference.  The only thing that let the EXE run was if there was no SYM
>file in the directory.

>>Stephen Howe [TeamSybase] wrote:
>> 
>> I have been asked by email:
>> 
>> >I've been looking through sybase support, I was wondering if you have
heard
>> of the debugger not
>> >working on OS/2WSeB?  Any file that you load that has a symbol file (any
of
>> the 3 formats) will not
>> >load, it gets an error before it even starts.  Files load fine if there is
>> no symbol file.  I have
>> >heard of one other person having the same trouble.
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From: jostein.ullestad@NOSPAMvisma.no                   01-Nov-99 14:34:10
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 14:27:20
Subj: Re: OS/2 WSeB and Watcom 11.0b - Debugger doesn't work

From: Jostein Ullestad <jostein.ullestad@NOSPAMvisma.no>

AFAIK it was Sybase that shot Watcom C/C++, not Powersoft.
Jostein.

yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net wrote:
> 
> In <38060C75.2358068B@bogusdomain.com>, on 10/14/99
>    at 01:01 PM, bogus <bogusaddress@bogusdomain.com> said:
> 
> It has been a long time since I installed or used my Watcom C/C++
> compiler.  As I recall they were matted to DOSCALL.  If some crummy
> software package shipped a different version of it you had problems under
> OS/2 unless you got an update from Watcom which used the newer version of
> DOSCALL.  Since Powersoft took the Watcom compiler out and shot it (Wonder
> if Novell will buy it?) you are probably screwed.  Join devcon and you
> will get the VAC++ compiler (on a quarterly trial basis) as part of your
> subscription.
> 
> Roland
> 
> >Under OS/2 WSeB, Watcom 11.0b's debugger generates an error message any
> >time you debug an app with symbols.
> 
> >The error message Watcom generates is "A task exception has occurred
> >general protection fault."
> 
> >After you restart the app you get a regular OS/2 trap page talking about
> >an error in DosCall1 but the address doesn't jive with what the debugger
> >shows, so I'm thinking this is a collateral error.
> 
> >It appears to die in the startup code.  If you pick "Debug Startup" from
> >the Run menu, then it doesn't die immediately.  I tried tracing through
> >the startup code to see if I could peg it down a bit better, but there is
> >a lot of source to trace through as assembly and the OS portions tend to
> >hang a lot under the debugger (ctrl-alt-del).  It appears that Debug
> >Startup puts you just before DLL initialization (which agrees with what
> >the DOCS say).
> 
> >After I chose to show all modules in the module window, I noticed that
> >there is a difference between WSEB and Warp4: in WSEB the first call
> >after a debug startup goes to PMSPL.DLL but in Warp it goes to
> >DOSCALL1.DLL.  I don't know if the order that dll's get initialized
> >depends on some obscure outside condition, but it isn't going to depend
> >on the order of the files in the directory since HPFS always presents
> >files in alphabetic order so if this is the case the files should always
> >load in the same order.  This behavior strikes me as very strange.
> 
> >I tried adding the C startup code to the source path, but that didn't
> >seem to help.  I also added breakpoints at the entry point to the RTL but
> >it trapped before it got there.  When the app dies, it doesn't list a
> >module at the top of the assembly window.
> 
> >I'm thinking that this thing is dying somewhere in the Debugger's loading
> >routine before it even hits the RTL or my app.
> 
> >I also tried running Borland TD 1.01 on a borland generated version of
> >the app and it worked without fault.
> 
> >I ran WATFIX against my EXE and it reported no DLL fixup errors.
> 
> >To Al Balmer:
> 
> >The SYM file is separate.  I don't know about -d1 or d2, I'll try that.
> >I did try all three formats (Dwarf etc) and that didn't make any
> >difference.  The only thing that let the EXE run was if there was no SYM
> >file in the directory.
> 
> >>Stephen Howe [TeamSybase] wrote:
> >>
> >> I have been asked by email:
> >>
> >> >I've been looking through sybase support, I was wondering if you have
heard
> >> of the debugger not
> >> >working on OS/2WSeB?  Any file that you load that has a symbol file (any 
of
> >> the 3 formats) will not
> >> >load, it gets an error before it even starts.  Files load fine if there
is
> >> no symbol file.  I have
> >> >heard of one other person having the same trouble.
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From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu                          01-Nov-99 19:11:18
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 17:33:18
Subj: Re: WPS class WPINSTALL

From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Leon D. Zetekoff
<leonz@ibm.net>],
who wrote in article <tHwke3MKmMK7-pn2-zdkTci2t8svk@shana.stiscan.com>:
> > Given what piece of junk SoftInstaller was, I'm not surprised.  Is
> > Feature Installer similar in crappiness?  I have never seen it...
> 
> Hi Ilya...
> 
> In  actuality the Software Installer is fairly powerful.

I know.  My Perl module SoftInstaller was one of the first tools to
automatically create Software Installer distrubutions.  The result did
work on my machine (though upcasings CONFIG.SYS, thus requiring manual
intervention anyway, which makes the whole point completely moot :-().
But the amount of situations it *did not* work in was incredible.

Ilya

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From: pedro.miranda@clix.pt                             02-Nov-99 22:31:13
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 19:59:29
Subj: OCR programming

From: "CLIX" <pedro.miranda@clix.pt>

Hi people i was wondering if it's possible (not just for NASA guys) to
create a program that recognizes characters and other graphical objects like
line segments ... from an image obtained from a scanner,
kind of a home OCR, that we could train it so it recongize some hand-right.

If so can anyone give me some tips and/or help and/or suport?

Note assume only a good C knowledge and a little C++, however if it requires
anything else, just tell me.

Well i think this is kind of utopic cause all the OCRs i've seen till today
are a bit messy but who knows...

ANY HELP IS WELCOME
Pedro Miranda






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From: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-m...               03-Nov-99 01:12:03
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 03:33:27
Subj: VAC++ 3.0 problem

Message sender: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-magdeburg.de

From: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-magdeburg.de (Martin Schaff”ner)

Hi guys,

I have a little problem here, as I am totally new to VAC++.  I am 
trying to compile the samples from the opengl tutorial from edm/2.  
Everything works alright using the supplied makefiles, except that I 
get one error message:

g:\c\dev_env\IBMCPP3\INCLUDE\igrafctx.hpp(307:29) : error EDC3090: 
Syntax error - expected "name" and found "0x0"

My system is at CT*308.  Can anybody give me a hint on what to do?  Is
it a bug in the *.hpp file, am I missing a compiler switch?

Thanx,

Martin Schaff”ner

Suzuki GS650G Katana
OS/2 Warp 4 with FixPak 11
There are currently 33 processes
with 129 threads active.
This machine's uptime 0h 10min 11sec.

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From: Bart.van.Hest@arcobel.nl                          03-Nov-99 12:28:13
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 10:33:07
Subj: Re: OCR programming

From: Bart van Hest <Bart.van.Hest@arcobel.nl>

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A remark: This subject has nothing to do with DirectX, so please do not post
it
here.

> Hi people i was wondering if it's possible (not just for NASA guys) to
> create a program that recognizes characters and other graphical objects like
> line segments ... from an image obtained from a scanner,
> kind of a home OCR, that we could train it so it recongize some hand-right.
>
> If so can anyone give me some tips and/or help and/or suport?
>
> Note assume only a good C knowledge and a little C++, however if it requires
> anything else, just tell me.
>
> Well i think this is kind of utopic cause all the OCRs i've seen till today
> are a bit messy but who knows...
>
> ANY HELP IS WELCOME
> Pedro Miranda

Well, there are some articles about it on the internet, of which I don't have
pointers. Use a search engine.

One method I know of is dividing the image in separate characters (already
hard
enough) and using a trained neural network to recognise them. This works faily
well if you give the neural net both a time-domain representation of the
character (the actual pixels) and a frequency domain representation (use a
windowed Fast Fourier Transform,  a suitable Wavelet transform or maybe a
Discrete Cosine Transform to obtain this data from your pixels)

This is not an easy project, not at all....

Last remark: If you are a fairly good C programmer, C++ is not a big step,
once
you get the idea about OOP. It helps you organise your code better, make the
structure of it more logical and enables the use of third party class
libraries.


--
=======================================================================
Bart van Hest
Arcobel ASIC Design Centre B.V.
software/hardware engineer

e-mail:            bart.van.hest@arcobel.nl
personal homepage: http://www.arcobel.nl/~dabit
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A remark: This subject has nothing to do with DirectX, so please do not
post it here.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi people i was wondering if it's possible (not just
for NASA guys) to
<br>create a program that recognizes characters and other graphical objects
like
<br>line segments ... from an image obtained from a scanner,
<br>kind of a home OCR, that we could train it so it recongize some
hand-right.
<p>If so can anyone give me some tips and/or help and/or suport?
<p>Note assume only a good C knowledge and a little C++, however if it
requires
<br>anything else, just tell me.
<p>Well i think this is kind of utopic cause all the OCRs i've seen till
today
<br>are a bit messy but who knows...
<p>ANY HELP IS WELCOME
<br>Pedro Miranda</blockquote>
Well, there are some articles about it on the internet, of which I don't
have pointers. Use a search engine.
<p>One method I know of is dividing the image in separate characters (already
hard enough) and using a trained neural network to recognise them. This
works faily well if you give the neural net both a time-domain representation
of the character (the actual pixels) and a frequency domain representation
(use a windowed Fast Fourier Transform,&nbsp; a suitable Wavelet transform
or maybe a&nbsp; Discrete Cosine Transform to obtain this data from your
pixels)
<p>This is not an easy project, not at all....
<p>Last remark: If you are a fairly good C programmer, C++ is not a big
step, once you get the idea about OOP. It helps you organise your code
better, make the structure of it more logical and enables the use of third
party class libraries.
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Arcobel ASIC Design Centre B.V.
software/hardware engineer

e-mail:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
bart.van.hest@arcobel.nl
personal homepage: <A
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From: sbowring+nospam@mpc-data.co.uk                    03-Nov-99 13:45:21
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 15:13:11
Subj: Re: dynamic loadable driver (OS/2)?????

From: "Simon Bowring" <sbowring+nospam@mpc-data.co.uk>

>The KEE-API is described. Check my OS/2 page.

Sounds interesting - I would love to check your OS/2 page,
are you going to give us a clue as to where it may be found? ;)

Simon Bowring


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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        03-Nov-99 20:59:03
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 21:54:23
Subj: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

A question, if all you nice experts would indulge me... ^_^

I've been meaning to try my hand at OS/2 programming.  Somebody at
work just gave me something called "IBM C/Set++ for OS/2 2.1".
Is this adequate for programming on today's Warp versions, or is it
too out-of-date?

I also have emx/gcc, of course - and I just picked up "OS/2 Warp
Programming for Dummies"...  I've never done any GUI programming 
outside Java however (most of my experience is Unix C programming,
a smidgeon of C++, and the aforementioned Java).

Does this sound like a reasonable starting place, or would I be
better off with other tools like VisualAge C++?  (The price for VAC++
version 4 is prohibitive, alas.)

Thanks...

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From: tjerick@ibm.net                                   04-Nov-99 01:24:08
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 03:16:20
Subj: New Ada 95 tools uploaded

From: tjerick@ibm.net (Tim Erickson)

Ada Core Technologies has released the latest version of GNAT. It is 
on their ftp server at: cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/os2

Tim [ who thinks Ada 95 is a great language]

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From: whgiii@openpgp.net                                03-Nov-99 23:33:15
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 03:16:21
Subj: Re: dynamic loadable driver (OS/2)?????

From: William Geiger <whgiii@openpgp.net>

On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:45:43 +0000 (GMT), Simon Bowring wrote:

>>The KEE-API is described. Check my OS/2 page.
>
>Sounds interesting - I would love to check your OS/2 page,
>are you going to give us a clue as to where it may be found? ;)
>

http://ais.gmd.de/~veit/os2/index.html

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  04-Nov-99 08:21:05
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 05:57:21
Subj: VisualAge C++ 4.0 - still buggy?

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

When VAC++ came out I read an article about it (was it in EDM/2 ?) with
the main point: Great concept, many fine things, but still buggy...

Now there was a Fixpak1 some months ago...

And now I read on WarpCast (see
http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4368.html) that even a product
(MainActor) is given up because of "problems with VAC++ 4.0"!!

Until now I am working with VAC++ 3.0, Fixpak 8 (see my "main product"
at http://www.datacomm.ch/cobo: "PmAs", a free Astronomy software for
OS/2) and sometimes I am considering to "upgrade" to 4.0, but then I
hesitate because of such bad news...

Another thing is that I am afraid the resources taken up by the new
version are far too much for my computer - if I only think about the
HTML documentation that already needs Netscape and a special server to
run, compared with the "simple" INF docs for version 3.0...

What do others recommend?

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemühl

e-mail: cbockem@datacomm.ch


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From: paul_floyd@see.sig                                04-Nov-99 09:35:26
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 05:57:21
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig>


Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> A question, if all you nice experts would indulge me... ^_^
> 
> I've been meaning to try my hand at OS/2 programming.  Somebody at
> work just gave me something called "IBM C/Set++ for OS/2 2.1".
> Is this adequate for programming on today's Warp versions, or is it
> too out-of-date?

Depends what you want.

The level of C++ support will be old, this product shipped about 5 years
ago. Also, the level of the OS/2 Toolkit will be old. There will be
little support for things that are specific to OS/2 4. Unfortunately the
Toolkit is not available separately or for free. Having said that, the
difference between OS/2 2.1 applications and 4.0 applications is very
slight.
 
> I also have emx/gcc, of course - and I just picked up "OS/2 Warp
> Programming for Dummies"...  I've never done any GUI programming
> outside Java however (most of my experience is Unix C programming,
> a smidgeon of C++, and the aforementioned Java).

There are several class libraries around, if you prefer to use C++
classes to C PM programming. Personally, I think programming
Presentation Manager without the IBM toolkit docs would be a daunting
task, so I suggest you at least get the docs from your copy of C Set ++.

> Does this sound like a reasonable starting place, or would I be
> better off with other tools like VisualAge C++?  (The price for VAC++
> version 4 is prohibitive, alas.)

If you own a copy of C Set ++, you should qualify for the upgrade price.
Still not cheap. The academic price is even cheaper. The biggest problem
with VAC++ 4 (from what I've read - I have a copy on order) are the
resource requirements. Apparently 128M RAM isn't really adequate. And
for every nice new feature there is a catch: latest level of C++
support, but can't compile C; fancy new GUI with orderless (no header
dependency) compilation, but can't compile with makefiles on the command
line. A bit of a simplification, but you get the idea.

> Thanks...
>  Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph

Cheers
Paul
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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  04-Nov-99 08:38:11
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 05:57:21
Subj: Re: VisualAge C++ 4.0 - still buggy?

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <7vrfll$af7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  cbzh@my-deja.com wrote:
[...]
>
> And now I read on WarpCast (see
> http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4368.html) that even a product
> (MainActor) is given up because of "problems with VAC++ 4.0"!!

Sorry, this is wrong: Not the PRODUCT is being given up, but the OS/2
version!

[...]

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemühl

e-mail: cbockem@datacomm.ch




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From: pfitz@ican.net                                    04-Nov-99 09:04:26
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 05:57:21
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> A question, if all you nice experts would indulge me... ^_^
> 
> I've been meaning to try my hand at OS/2 programming.  Somebody at
> work just gave me something called "IBM C/Set++ for OS/2 2.1".
> Is this adequate for programming on today's Warp versions, or is it
> too out-of-date?
> 

It's a little out of date for C++ standards, but 2.1 was the first IBM
compiler to really shine. The "precompiled headers" are useless, but
things like the "global optimizer" were revolutionary and worked well. 
I still have it installed, in fact.

I'd take 2.01 over ver 4.0 anyday :).

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From: pfitz@ican.net                                    04-Nov-99 09:08:27
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 05:57:21
Subj: Re: VisualAge C++ 4.0 - still buggy?

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

cbzh@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> When VAC++ came out I read an article about it (was it in EDM/2 ?) with
> the main point: Great concept, many fine things, but still buggy...
> 
> Now there was a Fixpak1 some months ago...
> 
> And now I read on WarpCast (see
> http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4368.html) that even a product
> (MainActor) is given up because of "problems with VAC++ 4.0"!!
> 
> Until now I am working with VAC++ 3.0, Fixpak 8 (see my "main product"
> at http://www.datacomm.ch/cobo: "PmAs", a free Astronomy software for
> OS/2) and sometimes I am considering to "upgrade" to 4.0, but then I

Do NOT upgrade to v4 if you are content with v3.

Even v3.6x (which ships with v4, but is similar in features to v3 (ie:
makefiles still work)) is buggy.

V4/3.6 was a total disaster here, even with fixpak1.  The only reason
I'd consider re-installing it if I had some code that needed to be
compiled under NT and OS2, that watcom 11b can't do (which I currently
use for that purpose).

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From: Alfred.Hilscher@icn.siemens.de                    04-Nov-99 16:40:12
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 14:41:01
Subj: Re: New Ada 95 tools uploaded

From: Alfred Hilscher <Alfred.Hilscher@icn.siemens.de>

Thanks for this hint.

Tim Erickson wrote:
> Ada Core Technologies has released the latest version of GNAT. It is
> on their ftp server at: cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/os2
> 
> Tim [ who thinks Ada 95 is a great language]

Me too.

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        04-Nov-99 18:01:20
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 16:45:22
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:35:52 +0100, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> wrote:
> > I've been meaning to try my hand at OS/2 programming.  Somebody at
> > work just gave me something called "IBM C/Set++ for OS/2 2.1".

Just to clarify (sloppy writing before) - 2.1 is the compiler version,
not the OS/2 version.  (The box requirements say it works with OS/2 2.0
and up).

> > Is this adequate for programming on today's Warp versions, or is it
> > too out-of-date?
> 
> Depends what you want.
> 
> The level of C++ support will be old, this product shipped about 5 years
> ago. Also, the level of the OS/2 Toolkit will be old. There will be
> little support for things that are specific to OS/2 4. Unfortunately the
> Toolkit is not available separately or for free. Having said that, the
> difference between OS/2 2.1 applications and 4.0 applications is very
> slight.

Really?  Hmm.. The aforementioned Warp Programming book seems to say
something to the effect that the IBM toolkit is available for download
from IBM, I guess this is also out of date information then?

Anyway, I really just want to play around for now, rather than write
vast modern applications.

I guess the next concern is whether there are Y2K issues with it...

Incidentally, it came with another box called "Kase:Set++", but I'm 
not sure what that is.

> > Does this sound like a reasonable starting place, or would I be
> > better off with other tools like VisualAge C++?  (The price for VAC++
> > version 4 is prohibitive, alas.)
> 
> If you own a copy of C Set ++, you should qualify for the upgrade price.

It's considered an ancestor product, then?  Worth considering... I
lost my qualifications for academic discounts almost a year ago.

> Still not cheap. The academic price is even cheaper. The biggest problem
> with VAC++ 4 (from what I've read - I have a copy on order) are the
> resource requirements. Apparently 128M RAM isn't really adequate. And
> for every nice new feature there is a catch: latest level of C++
> support, but can't compile C; fancy new GUI with orderless (no header
> dependency) compilation, but can't compile with makefiles on the command
> line. A bit of a simplification, but you get the idea.

Ack.  What about VAC++ 3.0 then?  That seems to appear in c.o.o.m. and
on ebay occasionally, and I haven't seen many complaints about it.

I have no particular need or desire at this time to do cross-platform 
development in Windows.  (If I want cross-platform, I use Java, anyway.)

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From: reddy_bnNOreSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid                04-Nov-99 11:59:04
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 16:45:22
Subj: Removing ReadoNly Attribute

From: bnreddy <reddy_bnNOreSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>

Pardon me for asking a basic question. How do I remove the readonly
attribute from a file through the Dosxxx calls? I assume it can be done
thru the DosSetFileInfo. But in needs the handle open with write
access. And DosOpen does not allow me to open a file with Write access
because the file is read only

Thanks
BNR


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From: jstucklex@attglobal.net                           04-Nov-99 18:03:10
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Removing ReadoNly Attribute

From: Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>

Use DosSetPathInfo instead... It doesn't require an open file handle.

bnreddy wrote:
> 
> Pardon me for asking a basic question. How do I remove the readonly
> attribute from a file through the Dosxxx calls? I assume it can be done
> thru the DosSetFileInfo. But in needs the handle open with write
> access. And DosOpen does not allow me to open a file with Write access
> because the file is read only
> 
> Thanks
> BNR
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From: rascal@mylink.net                                 04-Nov-99 19:28:20
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Wanted: Borland C++ for OS/2

From: rascal <rascal@mylink.net>

I have a copy I could sell you.  I quit using it years ago when Borland
quit supporting OS/2.  VisualAge C is a far superior product.

Roger Wygant

Helmut Billig wrote:

> I am looking for Borland C++ for OS/2 2.0.
> I would be thankfull for any offer or hint per mail.
>
> Helmut Billig
> billig@attglobal.net

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashco...               04-Nov-99 20:30:11
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: VisualAge C++ 4.0 - still buggy?

Message sender: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

In <38214D27.D36@ican.net>, on 11/04/99 
   at 09:08 AM, Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net> said:

Too bad Watcom isn't around anymore.  They had an awesome compiler.

Roland

>cbzh@my-deja.com wrote:
>> 
>> When VAC++ came out I read an article about it (was it in EDM/2 ?) with
>> the main point: Great concept, many fine things, but still buggy...
>> 
>> Now there was a Fixpak1 some months ago...
>> 
>> And now I read on WarpCast (see
>> http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4368.html) that even a product
>> (MainActor) is given up because of "problems with VAC++ 4.0"!!
>> 
>> Until now I am working with VAC++ 3.0, Fixpak 8 (see my "main product"
>> at http://www.datacomm.ch/cobo: "PmAs", a free Astronomy software for
>> OS/2) and sometimes I am considering to "upgrade" to 4.0, but then I

>Do NOT upgrade to v4 if you are content with v3.

>Even v3.6x (which ships with v4, but is similar in features to v3 (ie:
>makefiles still work)) is buggy.

>V4/3.6 was a total disaster here, even with fixpak1.  The only reason I'd
>consider re-installing it if I had some code that needed to be compiled
>under NT and OS2, that watcom 11b can't do (which I currently use for
>that purpose).
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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashco...               04-Nov-99 20:32:05
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 03:42:22
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

Message sender: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

In <38214568.13177C@see.sig>, on 11/04/99 
   at 09:35 AM, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> said:

>resource requirements. Apparently 128M RAM isn't really adequate. And

Tell me this is a typo!  128MEG of RAM is too small for the compiler to
run in?????

Hello Microsoft programmers!  Your code bloat has been found!

Roland

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  05-Nov-99 08:24:12
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 05:13:04
Subj: Re: VisualAge C++ 4.0 - still buggy?

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

Thanks for the advice: So there still seems to be pretty much consensus
about VAC++ in the same bad sense as I remembered it...

Conclusion: I will stay with VAC++ 3.0.

Greetings,
Cornelis

In article <3822333d$2$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,
  yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net wrote:
> In <38214D27.D36@ican.net>, on 11/04/99
>    at 09:08 AM, Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net> said:
>
> Too bad Watcom isn't around anymore.  They had an awesome compiler.
>
> Roland
>
> >cbzh@my-deja.com wrote:
> >>
> >> When VAC++ came out I read an article about it (was it in EDM/2 ?)
with
> >> the main point: Great concept, many fine things, but still buggy...
> >>
> >> Now there was a Fixpak1 some months ago...
> >>
> >> And now I read on WarpCast (see
> >> http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4368.html) that even a product
> >> (MainActor) is given up because of "problems with VAC++ 4.0"!!
> >>
> >> Until now I am working with VAC++ 3.0, Fixpak 8 (see my "main
product"
> >> at http://www.datacomm.ch/cobo: "PmAs", a free Astronomy software
for
> >> OS/2) and sometimes I am considering to "upgrade" to 4.0, but then
I
>
> >Do NOT upgrade to v4 if you are content with v3.
>
> >Even v3.6x (which ships with v4, but is similar in features to v3
(ie:
> >makefiles still work)) is buggy.
>
> >V4/3.6 was a total disaster here, even with fixpak1.  The only reason
I'd
> >consider re-installing it if I had some code that needed to be
compiled
> >under NT and OS2, that watcom 11b can't do (which I currently use for
> >that purpose).
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From: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-m...               05-Nov-99 10:00:16
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 05:13:04
Subj: VisualAge 2.0

Message sender: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-magdeburg.de

From: martin.schaffoener@student.uni-magdeburg.de (Martin Schaff”ner)

Hi guys,

I have seen an auction on ebay for visual age 2.0.  Is it any good or 
too old?

Martin Schaff”ner

Suzuki GS650G Katana
OS/2 Warp 4 with FixPak 11
There are currently 31 processes
with 131 threads active.
This machine's uptime 0h 6min 37sec.

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From: paul_floyd@see.sig                                05-Nov-99 10:39:12
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 10:29:18
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig>


yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net wrote:
> 
> In <38214568.13177C@see.sig>, on 11/04/99
>    at 09:35 AM, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> said:
> 
> >resource requirements. Apparently 128M RAM isn't really adequate. And
> 
> Tell me this is a typo!  128MEG of RAM is too small for the compiler to
> run in?????

No. The "Fact Sheet"
(http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ad/vacpp/intel/factv4.html) says:

'TECHNICAL INFORMATION 

 Hardware Requirements 

 Processor: Intel Pentium© 166, or higher, or compatible processor
recommended

 Memory: 64 MB minimum, 128 MB recommended

 Paging Space: 128 MB minimum.'

My experience is that IBM's recommended figures tend to be on the
conservative side.
 
> Hello Microsoft programmers!  Your code bloat has been found!

Well, it's the price you pay for the features like the code store,
orderless compilation etc. If you use the older 3.6.5 compiler from the
same package on the command line, no doubt the RAM requirements are a
lot less.

Paul
 
> Roland

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From: paul_floyd@see.sig                                05-Nov-99 10:34:29
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 10:29:18
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig>

Alex Taylor wrote:

> Really?  Hmm.. The aforementioned Warp Programming book seems to say
> something to the effect that the IBM toolkit is available for download
> from IBM, I guess this is also out of date information then?

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought the only way to get the Toolkit is
to buy the Developer Connection. (A bit like Microsoft Developer
Network). It's quite expensive, and you get dozens of CDs, most of which
are oriented toward AIX or NT or java. I have downloaded a couple of
patches for the OS/2 toolkit.

The OS/2 Device Driver Kit is available for download for free, though.

[snip]
 
> Incidentally, it came with another box called "Kase:Set++", but I'm
> not sure what that is.

It's a C++ generator for GUIs. I played with it a bit, but always found
it much easier to make the GUI by writing code by hand. Without patches,
Kase:Set++ was completely unusable on Warp 3 - never tried it on Warp 4.

VAC++ 3 and 4 have "Visual Builder", a much more usable GUI generator.
 
> > If you own a copy of C Set ++, you should qualify for the upgrade price.
 
> It's considered an ancestor product, then?  Worth considering... I
> lost my qualifications for academic discounts almost a year ago.

[snip VAC++ pros and cons] 
 
> Ack.  What about VAC++ 3.0 then?  That seems to appear in c.o.o.m. and
> on ebay occasionally, and I haven't seen many complaints about it.

The only big drawback is that it doesn't support ISO C++. I think it
works with STLport though.

A+
Paul
 
>  Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph

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From: ivaes@hr.nl                                       05-Nov-99 16:09:23
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 14:49:08
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: Illya Vaes <ivaes@hr.nl>

Alex Taylor wrote:
>Incidentally, it came with another box called "Kase:Set++", but I'm
>not sure what that is.

AFAIR, it is an interface builder and as such is the predecessor of the visual
builder-part of VisualAge C++ 3.0 (which is what C/Set++ 3.0 was eventually
called; I have a beta CD still calling it that).

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From: ivaes@hr.nl                                       05-Nov-99 16:11:28
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 14:49:08
Subj: Re: VisualAge 2.0

From: Illya Vaes <ivaes@hr.nl>

"Martin Schaff”ner" wrote:
>I have seen an auction on ebay for visual age 2.0.  Is it any good or
>too old?

I'm not sure what "Visual Age" is, but it is not "VisualAge C++".
Furthermore, the IBM C/C++ compiler package was only called VisualAge C++ from
version 3.0; before that you had C/Set and C/Set++.
So I'd say don't bother or ask the seller.

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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 05-Nov-99 10:38:08
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 16:48:26
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <3822A4C3.F749025D@see.sig>, on 11/05/99 
   at 10:34 AM, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> said:

>Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought the only way to get the Toolkit is to
>buy the Developer Connection. (A bit like Microsoft Developer Network).
>It's quite expensive, and you get dozens of CDs, most of which are

You are mistaken.  A significant percentage of the OS/2 tools are
available for free.  All you need to do is sign up for Member status.  In
particular:

   * The Developer's Toolkit for OS/2 Warp 4.0 Update (CSD4) (G; M7)

Which will allow CSet to do Warp4 to some extent.

Steven

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashco...               05-Nov-99 20:17:13
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 21:23:14
Subj: Re: VisualAge 2.0

Message sender: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

In <3822F3BC.93E7102F@hr.nl>, on 11/05/99 
   at 04:11 PM, Illya Vaes <ivaes@hr.nl> said:

>"Martin Schaff”ner" wrote:
>>I have seen an auction on ebay for visual age 2.0.  Is it any good or
>>too old?

>I'm not sure what "Visual Age" is, but it is not "VisualAge C++".
>Furthermore, the IBM C/C++ compiler package was only called VisualAge C++
>from version 3.0; before that you had C/Set and C/Set++.
>So I'd say don't bother or ask the seller.

If it is Visual Age for Java, then 2.0 is pretty current.

Roland

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashco...               05-Nov-99 20:19:20
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 21:23:14
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net

In <3822A5CD.D8430BDF@see.sig>, on 11/05/99 
   at 10:39 AM, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> said:

Guess I'll have to stick with Watcom if I go back to C/C++ programming. 
Just use my old version.  I do have the Visual Age compilers on the DEVCON
CD's, but never got around to installing them.  I actually bought a copy
of VAJ, but haven't installed it yet.

Roland


>yyyc186.illegaltospam.at.flashcom.net wrote:
>> 
>> In <38214568.13177C@see.sig>, on 11/04/99
>>    at 09:35 AM, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> said:
>> 
>> >resource requirements. Apparently 128M RAM isn't really adequate. And
>> 
>> Tell me this is a typo!  128MEG of RAM is too small for the compiler to
>> run in?????

>No. The "Fact Sheet"
>(http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ad/vacpp/intel/factv4.html) says:

>'TECHNICAL INFORMATION 

> Hardware Requirements 

> Processor: Intel Pentium  166, or higher, or compatible processor
>recommended

> Memory: 64 MB minimum, 128 MB recommended

> Paging Space: 128 MB minimum.'

>My experience is that IBM's recommended figures tend to be on the
>conservative side.
> 
>> Hello Microsoft programmers!  Your code bloat has been found!

>Well, it's the price you pay for the features like the code store,
>orderless compilation etc. If you use the older 3.6.5 compiler from the
>same package on the command line, no doubt the RAM requirements are a lot
>less.

>Paul
> 
>> Roland


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