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From: wpooh@freemail.c3.hu                              15-Oct-99 12:47:03
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 04:21:29
Subj: Dual Display under Warp

From: wpooh@freemail.c3.hu

Hi!

Is it possible to use Warp 4.0 (no fix) with two (one AGP and one PCI 
) display adapter?



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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            16-Oct-99 10:38:13
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 10:34:11
Subj: Re: Dual Display under Warp

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:47:07 GMT, wpooh@freemail.c3.hu wrote:

>Is it possible to use Warp 4.0 (no fix) with two (one AGP and one PCI 
>) display adapter?

AFAIK it should be possible with Scitech Display Doctor for OS/2 (at least in
the final release). Check http://www.scitechsoft.com

cu

Adrian



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From: baden@interchange.ubc.ca                          17-Oct-99 19:25:04
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 19:56:06
Subj: Re: Q: PCI Video and INTA?

From: baden@interchange.ubc.ca    (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <38063419$1001$swbarf$mr2ice@news.onlink.net>, "Frank Jones"
<fjones@onlink.net> writes:
>In <giWM3.9834$K5.117749@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>, on 10/13/99 
>   at 07:13 AM, baden@unixg.ubc.ca    (Baden Kudrenecky) said:
>
>>In <3802275a$1$swbarf$mr2ice@news.onlink.net>, "Frank Jones"
>><fjones@onlink.net> writes: 
>><snip>
>>>I am using Warp4 - no fixpacks, with a brand new ASUS P2B-B motherboard,
>>>and a Cirrus Logic CL-GD54M30 PCI video card.
>>>The Doc for the MB says: "... To install a PCI card, you need to set
>>>something called the INT (interrupt) assignment. Since all the PCI slots
>>>on this motherboard use an INTA #, be sure that the jumpers on your PCI
>>>cards are set to INTA. ...."
>>>the Video card specs says: 
>>> "J2 allows you to enable/disable INTA. Close J2 to enable INTA. INTA is
>>>disabled by default. ..." 
>>>However, the 5430 does not have a "J2 jumper" on the board.
>>>Is this the cause of my problems? ie. the 5430 not having INTA enabled,
>>>would cause these "random" freezes? 
>
>>   I don't think that is the problem, as long as the card is configured
>>in the BIOS.  What may be the problem other tan a possible NFG card, is
>>that you have not installed the correct drivers correctly, which is
>>similar to the instructions below:
>
>
>Chairo Baden.
>
>I searched for a later Cirrus Logic driver, but found out that they have
>been transferred to ISD corp. Their site says that the CL-GD54M30 is NOT
>supported for Warp4 - use the driver supplied with the OS. 

   There may be a version difference here, as the "M'
designation does not usually appear, but the 5430 is a standard
PCI card with embedded OS/2 drivers.  I also found that my
instructions for the 5426 may not be applicable, but as I have a
WWW page with relevant information:

http://baden.nu/public_html_index/OS2-tips.html#cirrus

> I did download the Warp3/2.1 driver at the site, but I am leery of
>applying a "back-level" driver - What do you recommend? - I have saved
>your instructions  just in case.  

   There should not really be any harm done in trying different
video drivers.  Just remember to set your system to plain VGA
(at the Boot Blob) first each time.

>Could you possibly explain to me the significance of the INTA
>instructrions above? and also why you think that they are not pertinent to
>my problem?

   PCI should auto detect and auto configure everything.  AFAIK,
everything on INTA gets assigned unique addresses to avoid
conflicts.  The Cirrus based cards are cheap, so the
documentation may not always be up to snuff.  Your card may have
had a jumper in a previous version, but they may have removed 
it, as that configurability is not usually on a PCI video card.

baden


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From: mpart@NOSPAMinnerstation.net                      17-Oct-99 11:59:10
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 19:56:06
Subj: os2 warp3 video cards

From: Michael Part <mpart@NOSPAMinnerstation.net>

I am building some computers for testing equipment and they run on
os/2 and I'd like to know if there's a BEST recent video card that
works with stability in this os.  Is there any problem with using AGP?
This can only be done with the out-of-the-box os/2 warp 3 -- no packs
or anything.  I've tried an ATI with lousy results.  Installed okay,
but upon reboot got a huge memory crash and had to reboot and alt-f1
the video back to vga.

I'm gonna try a g200.  Problem is -- is there a video adaptor (agp
preferably) that will be AVAILABLE for a while that installs without
too many hitches?

Really appreciate any advice as os/2 is fairly new to me and the video
card seems to be a stumbling block right now.

Mike


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From: domnet5@ibm.net                                   18-Oct-99 02:39:13
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 11:10:17
Subj: SciTech Drivers

From: domnet5@ibm.net

I have a FIC 503+ Mb  AMD K6-2 400 w/128MB PC100 DRAM a Matrox G200 
AGP two 6Gig EIDE Drives.
Fixpack 10 Matrox Version 2.23.082 Drivers. The following is the 
sysBench94c results:
Graphics
   BitBlt S->S copy      :      432.498    Million pixels/second
   BitBlt M->S copy      :       46.678    Million pixels/second
   Filled Rectangle      :     1132.736    Million pixels/second
   Pattern Fill          :     1132.736    Million pixels/second
   Vertical Lines        :       45.425    Million pixels/second
   Horizontal Lines      :       70.693    Million pixels/second
   Diagonal Lines        :       58.002    Million pixels/second
   Text Render           :      142.843    Million pixels/second
   
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   Total                 :      374.781    PM-Graphics-marks


I then replaced the Matrox Drivers with  SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 
for OS/2
??? Interesting results!!!!!                      

 Graphics
   BitBlt S->S copy      :      373.342    Million pixels/second
   BitBlt M->S copy      :       67.466    Million pixels/second
   Filled Rectangle      :     6621.738    Million pixels/second
   Pattern Fill          :     3313.428    Million pixels/second
   Vertical Lines        :       29.776    Million pixels/second
   Horizontal Lines      :      108.737    Million pixels/second
   Diagonal Lines        :       47.083    Million pixels/second
   Text Render           :      111.649    Million pixels/second
   
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-
   Total                 :     1287.316    PM-Graphics-marks


And they run very smooth.

Dominic Annetta

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From: baden@interchange.ubc.ca                          18-Oct-99 03:59:06
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 11:10:17
Subj: Re: os2 warp3 video cards

From: baden@interchange.ubc.ca    (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <7ud69c$2obd@enews2.newsguy.com>, Michael Part
<mpart@NOSPAMinnerstation.net> writes:
>I am building some computers for testing equipment and they run on
>os/2 and I'd like to know if there's a BEST recent video card that
>works with stability in this os.  Is there any problem with using AGP?
>This can only be done with the out-of-the-box os/2 warp 3 -- no packs
>or anything.  I've tried an ATI with lousy results.  Installed okay,
>but upon reboot got a huge memory crash and had to reboot and alt-f1
>the video back to vga.
>
>I'm gonna try a g200.  Problem is -- is there a video adaptor (agp
>preferably) that will be AVAILABLE for a while that installs without
>too many hitches?

   Yeah, Matrox G200.

>Really appreciate any advice as os/2 is fairly new to me and the video
>card seems to be a stumbling block right now.
>
>Mike
>
>

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      18-Oct-99 15:55:29
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 11:10:17
Subj: Re: SciTech Drivers

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 02:39:27, domnet5@ibm.net wrote:

> 
> I then replaced the Matrox Drivers with  SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 
> for OS/2
> ??? Interesting results!!!!!   

Another insteresting thing is that software cursors work fine (without any 
jerkiness) when using DIVE apps which is cool.

One minor annoyance I've got is that for some strange reason Java icons are 
shown as 16 colours only when using 16bit (65k) color mode on my Matrox 
Millenium (and S3 Trio64) before that.

Can somebody verify if this has been fixed in Beta 7? I have this with Gradd 
0.80 too. :(



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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  18-Oct-99 00:36:22
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 11:10:17
Subj: Re: Q: PCI Video and INTA?

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Frank Jones wrote:

> Chairo Tony.
> Thank you for your time and questions, which show me I didn't try
> "everything" yet!
>
>
> I did document more in my previous appends,  but to answer the specifics:
> I have no other PCI cards,  I do have two ISA PnP cards - A SoundBlaster
> 16 (I like to listen while I work, and would love to actually have the PC
> do something when I talk to it) and a 3COM LAN Card (I like to get into
> trouble, by trying things I know nothing about). I followed your advice to
> another person in trouble, and removed both cards, REMmed out the
> config.sys, and even removed the old Maxtor HD because it was not SMART
> capable (the new drive is). But ended up with the same results...
>
> >2. Whether moving Video card to top(priority) slot(or conversely the
> >bottom,g>) makes any difference?
>
> Didn't try this one - I just assumed,  because it was in the slot next to
> the AGP one, that I'd better not move it...
>
> >3. Perhaps outputting results of RMVIEW?
>
> Which flavour? rmview /irq shows  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 14 15  in use.
> Netfinity shows 0 1 2 4 8 10 13 14 15 as dedicated IRQs; none shared.
>
> The video card s/b on IRQ 11, and this does show up in "rmview /da"
>
> I have managed to match the IRQs with the devices; except for 13 - don't
> know where Netfinity gets that from....

Again - apart from the obvious that not all "drivers" are "resource
manager" aware the fact that you have apparently "four" IRQ's(3,5,6   &
13) discrepancies between both RMVIEW and NF may(or not) be indicative
that you have a basic resource conflict?.
Why NF doesn't list the typical COM2 (IRQ3) default along with IRQ5
(perhaps either soundblaster or LPT2?) may not be relevant but actually
related to lack of service applied to the NF component?. Checking (and
detailing) what serial/lpt ports etc are currently enabled in Bios may
help along with disabling (temporarily) everything not actually
required.
Again selectively reserving resources in "Legacy adapters" (or
equivalent in your Bios setup) may yield some clues if not improvement.
There again the "conflict" may be base/io address,DMA or even video
shadow memory related and not directly IRQ related?.

> >4. Whether either setting H/W detection off in HW Mgr properties or
> >selecting "use previous" after successful boot works subsequently?
>
> Haven't tried this either, will probably attempt it soon....
>
> >5. Whether PnP is disabled in Bios?
>
> No, Pnp is enabled...

Errr ok, admittedly I wasn't explicit<g>,  but presumably knowing that
Warp is not completely ideal as far as PnP is concerned have you tried
disabling PnP and manually setting all resources?
Even though you've removed Sound/NIC cards is there any possibility that
your mobo has onboard equivalent of some of these(inc video)? Sometimes
even apparently disabling these via mobo jumpers can still leave
conflict problems?

> >6. Using ALT + F2 at white OS/2 blob after which driver does system
> >freeze?
>
> Well, IF I get the 'Black screen' then I see no drivers at all,  else (i
> get the OS2 logo) I see all the drivers loaded OK on the logo screen, and
> the WPS comes up working.

Specifically is this a "black screen" with just a top LH flashing cursor
possibly implying a problem with partition table and/or OS/2 boot
loader?  or totally "void" indicating possibly a more fundamental
problem with video?

> >7. Whether you used CHECKINI (or equivalent) in case system is
> >stalling prior to loading WPS and not just specifically video related
> >initialising the desktop?
>
> I haven't run Checkini since I installed on the new HD, in August. Just
> ran it now, and most errors are from objects on the disconnected drive,
> from pgms I haven't yet transferred to the new one. A few on C: bother me
> though, esp.  39DF2:URL FOLDER     =>C:\DESKTOP\CONNECTIONS\WEB
> SITES\TroubleShooting\URL FOLDER<-UNABLE TO ACCESS 3E9FB:EPM.EXE
> =>C:\OS2\APPS\EPM.EXE<-UNABLE TO ACCESS
>
> as I dropped EPM from the install because I have a later version on my E:
> drive, and the Troubleshooting folder is in, and accessible from, the
> Connections  hierarchy... others on C:\ were:
>
> 36834:$CIDTMP$       =>C:\$CIDTMP$<-UNABLE TO ACCESS
> 3E9A5:TEMPORARY URL  =>C:\NOWHERE\TEMPORARY URL<-UNABLE TO ACCESS
> 30E14:OS2.###        =>C:\OS2\OS2.###<-UNABLE TO ACCESS
>
> Maybe I should reconnect the other HD and cleanup??

If you've backed up INI's/Desktop then I don't see the necessity for
re-connecting the old HDD before cleaning up? The errors appear to be
expected based on EPM's (non) availability or different location and if
you take precaution of backing up then you minimise risk of deleting(via
repair) something you subsequently need .
However it looks unlikely this is related to your problem anyway but
depending on the amount of "activity" on your desktop some  preventative
routine maintenance/housekeeping is always benificial.
If you don't have a "backup script" to selectively restore program
reference objects etc then you may well be reluctant to "clean up"
current extraneous handles/pointers and then subsequently have to
manually re-create(or migrate) those objects for items yet to be
transferred over later.
However, as the system is not currently reliable/stable, I would
personally be inclined to concentrate on simplifying the "variables" and
configuration to absolute minimum and resolve the basic problem first
and then "worry" about re-installing/configuring later......

Considering the "lack of usuability" and the fact you still have
original HDD to fall back on I would be tempted to:

1.. Disable PnP - manually allocate resources, reserving "legacy
resources" as required.
If this results in consistent bootable WPS then also -

2. Install latest FP in order to minimise problems with GUI and
video......


> >The possibilities seem to include whether system is freezing due to
> >resource conflict  or due to driver/desktop issue?
>
> It certainly 'feels' like it when I get a freeze in PM, (moving the mouse
> rapidly) but the Word6 freeze happens even when I wait between each Page
> up/down action...

Circumstantially could still relate to PMMERGE (which invariably changes
in each FP) and/or video driver combination.

> >While you may have good reasons not to automatically apply a FP and the
> ><snip>
>
> I have the CDROM from BMT but I have been unwilling to apply anything
> because I know less about FP's at the moment than my current problem! I
> shall attempt your scenario, of removing warpcentre etc., though just to
> see...

.From your recent elaboration on the symptoms I doubt whether SC/WC/LP
etc is responsible but at the expense of some minor inconvenience in not
(re) autostarting programs and open folders it's recommended to remove
as many "variables" as possible when faultfinding.As FP's are cumulative
one could preview the included APAR lists to see if any "fixes" relate
first.
Even with WinXX at some point one may be forced to "backup" and try a
service pack when either number of "faults" become pervasive or
functionality/productivity is significantly impacted.
Probably better to "bite the bullet" and endure the learning pain by
applying the fix while the OS has not been totally customised and
additional apps re-installed?.

However if WPS/system is not consistently bootable then attempting to
apply a FP will only initially exacerbate the problem...

> > While I can't say personally whether the video driver level
> >(or res x color depth) is pertinent at this stage it might help posting
> >these details for others with similar h/w to compare?
>
> I was originally at VGA 640x480x256colours, am currently at 800x600x65536,
> (I only have 1MB on the card), freeze happens in both cases. I am using
> the Warp4 driver that comes with Warp - there is no Cirrus Logic driver
> for Warp4, only Warp3 and 2.1.

FWIW, I seem to recall that Cirrus 54xx drivers have always been a tad
problematic in either installation or use at certain res/color depths
with certain apps thru all OS/2 2.x/3/4  incarnations.....

> >Depending on level of your desktop customisation and integrity of any
> >Desktop Archives then restoring to either VGA and/or original install
> >desktop might be necessary at some time- if nothing else just to preclude
> >the possibility of unrepairable INI corruption?
>
> >Whether INTA refers to address groupings or edge v level sensing
> >hopefully others can  confirm or correct.
>
> >I might be tempted to also suggest d/l the newer CHKDSK(32 bit) from IBM
> >site(assuming it's still available) in lieu of later FP and running that
> >from boot/utility diskettes? But it's value rather depends on what FS
> >you've elected?
>
> I am using mostly HPFS, but do have one FAT16 drive for xfers to Win95
> (which loads its logo OK - but is completely unusable at the moment
> because it freezes up almost immediately in any application program)...

Interesting and obviously begs the question as to whether a common
(video h/w/bios or disk) problem exists?Again it's doubtful whether
there is any filesystem related fault that is causing this problem but
running latest CHKDSK should be part of your routine PM(preventative
maintenance) and housekeeping routine.  If you don't apply latest
fixpaks then you have to download these (and latest IDEDASD etc) drivers
seperately.....

> ><snip>
>
> I will put off buying an new video card until next week, while I try out
> your suggestions, but I have already decided I am going to purchase a new
> video card - it was always "the next thing to purchase" anyway ;-)

Only you can decide whether further effort is justified in that
potential scenario.

Further progress will probably require some tedious and time consuming
effort in checking popup logs,disabling PnP-manually allocating
resources,checking/running video diags, applying fixpaks, possibly even
disabling WPS exception handler etc  to try and establish whether one or
more cumulative faults exist?
Also overall you would have to supply much more quantitative info/detail
so others can check and compare both your configuration and any error
logs with their own.
If you have no convenient opportunity of both trying your existing card
in another PC and "borrowing" another, together with a preponderance of
relatively "cheap" graphic cards available then  perhaps further effort
isn't justified over and above an academic interest?

> Peace,
> Frank.
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> "Frank Jones" <fjones@onlink.net>
> -----------------------------------------------------------



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      18-Oct-99 18:52:22
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 22:36:23
Subj: trick the video card ?

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Hi all

I have a nice, but old 21" monitor. Unfortunately my video card is 
unable to detect this rather old slow screen. I do know for a fact that 
this monitor can do a lot more than VGA - I've run 1024x724x65K 
previous. To do that I mounted an other monitor, let the video card 
detect this monitor, and then mounted my beloved 21" again. But after I'
ve moved, I only have this big monitor. And after a hardware updating 
my pc got to fast for the old setting for the monitor. :-) Therefore I 
had to back down to VGA.

Is there a way to fool the card, or can I possibly fetch C:\OS2\BOOT\
VIOTBL.DCP from an other computer, with the same card, and use these in 
CONFIG.SYS ??

SET VIDEO_DEVICES=VIO_SVGA
SET VIO_SVGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA,BVHSVGA)

Instead of these..:

SET VIDEO_DEVICES=VIO_VGA
SET VIO_VGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA)

???????

21" are nice, but in plain VGA... hmm.....
--
Steen

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        18-Oct-99 19:12:19
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 22:36:23
Subj: ATI MACH64 video setup

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

Has anyone set up OS/2 on PC with an ATI MACH64CT-C2 chip?

I had this working until Saturday, after spending many hours 
trying to get it configured in the first place. I was trying to install
a sound card using 'Selective Install', and found the video settings
were 'updated' and now I can't get them working again.

I have managed to get three different sets of driver for ATI chips in addition
to the latest GRADD drivers, but always have some sort of problem in
either DOS or WIN-OS2.

Can someone tell me which drivers I should use?

--
John

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From: w.h.m.wauters.1998@cranfield.ac.uk                19-Oct-99 11:54:15
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 10:32:23
Subj: Re: 3D Blaster Savage - only 60Hz :-(

From: Wim Wauters <w.h.m.wauters.1998@cranfield.ac.uk>


Gunther Natter wrote:

> John Muller wrote:
> >
> > I did have to select that
> > monitor setting twice before it picked up the correct refresh rate.
>
> I've done that several times and it SHOWS the correct refresh. But it IS
> 60Hz. I also tried "full Savage capabilities" for the monitor setting,
> but: 60Hz ...
>
> Sad thing ...
>
> But the card seems to be ok - works great under Win95.

Uhuh. I have the same problem with the latest drivers for a Trio 64V2 (775).

The latest drivers from S3 include a utility for 'DDC compliant' monitors.
These DDC monitors, I suspect, have the ability to report back supported
frequencies.
Now, when your monitor says 'I am DDC compliant', but it is not quite, you
end up with a 60Hz DDC monitor. Just like you, I could not get the driver to
accept more than 60Hz,
even using full capabilities.
My solution was to back down to an earlier driver.
Maybe you could attach an old vga monitor (to prevent DDC from triggering).
Needless to say:
at reboot: ALT-F1 , F3 (reinstall VGA)
after reboot: reinstall drivers
reboot
select settings
reboot

PnP - Plug & Pray ! (Don't you love it when it f##ks up automatically ;-)

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From: bov243@pasture.net                                19-Oct-99 06:55:22
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 10:32:23
Subj: Re: Dual Display under Warp

From: Bovine Unit #243 <bov243@pasture.net>

>> >Is it possible to use Warp 4.0 (no fix) with two (one AGP and one PCI
>> >) display adapter?

>> AFAIK it should be possible with Scitech Display Doctor for OS/2 (at 
>> least in the final release). Check http://www.scitechsoft.com

>My question wasn't clear enough I think... (my fault)
>I'd like to ask if it is possible to *have* two display adapter in one 
>computer while I use warp 4 on it? I don't need the 'dual display' 
>feature like G400. I only need the two cards in my box.
>So, could this work?

For PCI (and possibly AGP), it's possible to have more than 1 video
adaptor simultaneously. But to use them, you'll need proper software
drivers.

When you have multiple video adaptors, my guess is the video card with
lowest memory location would be used.

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From: solune@netaxs.com                                 19-Oct-99 23:52:27
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 21:35:16
Subj: Re: 3D Blaster Savage - only 60Hz :-(

From: solune@netaxs.com

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:54:31, Wim Wauters 
<w.h.m.wauters.1998@cranfield.ac.uk> wrote:

> 
> 
> Gunther Natter wrote:
> 
> > John Muller wrote:
> > >
> > > I did have to select that
> > > monitor setting twice before it picked up the correct refresh rate.
> >
> > I've done that several times and it SHOWS the correct refresh. But it IS
> > 60Hz. I also tried "full Savage capabilities" for the monitor setting,
> > but: 60Hz ...
> >
> > Sad thing ...
> >
> > But the card seems to be ok - works great under Win95.
> 
> Uhuh. I have the same problem with the latest drivers for a Trio 64V2 (775).
> 
> The latest drivers from S3 include a utility for 'DDC compliant' monitors.
> These DDC monitors, I suspect, have the ability to report back supported
> frequencies.
> Now, when your monitor says 'I am DDC compliant', but it is not quite, you
> end up with a 60Hz DDC monitor. Just like you, I could not get the driver to
> accept more than 60Hz,
> even using full capabilities.
> My solution was to back down to an earlier driver.
> Maybe you could attach an old vga monitor (to prevent DDC from triggering).


Okay, so I'm only picking up this thread from the middle...I've no 
idea what monitor you're using, so you milege may vary....

I had trouble setting up my NEC multisync XV15 to use a higher refresh
using the Aztech labs Savage3d card (s3 chip).

I solved the problem by going to the appropriate settings page and 
selected 640x480x60Hz refresh. I selected DDC monitor again, and used 
the utility.

When I switched back to the XV15 settings, I was able to use 
everything - refresh, colours, etc....

..but the list box in Wordpro didin't work right, and my Links for 
OS/2 didnt' display the top view properly.  After much annoyence, I 
happened upon the Stardock webpage FAQ on the links game and saw 
*another* card that had the same problem w/ Links. The fix was to run 
the game @ 16bit (thousands of colours) instead of 32bit (millions of 
Colours).

So I tried resetting to 16bit, and everything displays properly at 
75Hz refresh.

I did try the older driver, but ran into a stack problem when my 
screensaver ran a slideshow. 32bit colours did display everything 
properly *except* Links.

So, try the above, it may work for you.

Pete.

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From: Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.c...               19-Oct-99 01:40:26
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:36:00
Subj: Re: Matrox driver v2.31

Message sender: Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.co.uk

From: Roland Pinches <Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.co.uk>

When using the Matrox driver 2.31, I too get the problem where my
monitor loses the signal just before the WPS starts. Fortunatley I don't
reboot too often so this isn't a problem :-)

Roland.

Dominique Pivard wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:05:41, Olivier-Patrick.Thiriot@esial.u-nancy.fr
> (Olivier-Patrick Thiriot) wrote:
> >
> > I tried the last release of the driver provided by Matrox for G200
processor and
> > just before starting the WPS, it turns off and on my monitor. I have
nerver
> > encountered such a problem with the previous version of that driver. Is
there
> > someone who had the same problem?
> 
> When I upgraded from 2.23.082 to 2.31.100 on my Warp 3 / Mystique 4MB
> system, it did that only once, rebooting the whole system. The
> subsequent boots didn't exhibit the problem.

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From: wpooh@freemail.c3.hu                              18-Oct-99 07:52:11
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:36:02
Subj: Re: Dual Display under Warp

From: <wpooh@freemail.c3.hu>

> >Is it possible to use Warp 4.0 (no fix) with two (one AGP and one PCI
> >) display adapter?

> AFAIK it should be possible with Scitech Display Doctor for OS/2 (at 
least in
> the final release). Check http://www.scitechsoft.com

> cu

> Adrian

My question wasn't clear enough I think... (my fault)
I'd like to ask if it is possible to *have* two display adapter in one 
computer while I use warp 4 on it? I don't need the 'dual display' 
feature like G400. I only need the two cards in my box.
So, could this work?

Bye

Janos



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From: phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com                     20-Oct-99 22:54:13
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 21:23:25
Subj: Re: trick the video card ?

From: Phillip Davenport <phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com>

Steen Bondo <sbo@hehe.com> wrote:

> I have a nice, but old 21" monitor.

What brand? What model?

> Unfortunately my video card is 
> unable to detect this rather old slow screen.

What video chipset?

[...]

> Is there a way to fool the card..

Configure the card for the resolution and refresh rate that will work with
the monitor.

How this is done will vary, _depending on the card_.

  p

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      21-Oct-99 06:52:27
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 05:18:01
Subj: trick the video card ?

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Phillip Davenport wrote in a message to Steen Bondo:

> I have a nice, but old 21" monitor.

PD> What brand? What model?

Aydin Ranger 21

PD> What video chipset?

AGP S3 something - 4MB ram. I don't have the manual that easy 
accessable. When needed I can of course get it. OS/2 thinks it's a S3 
864/868 - probably pretty close. Unless you know what files that needs 
to be replaced on my system, this is not yet important.

PD> Configure the card for the resolution and refresh rate that will
PD> work with the monitor.

See.! It's here the card need to be tricked to be able to do that. 
According to my System object I only have the VGA option. The card/
system are unable to run the HW test on my monitor - therefore it 
leaves me only with the VGA option.

PD> How this is done will vary, _depending on the card_.

So far I try with OS/2's drivers - wont make any difference as long as 
the HW test fails.!

Regards - and thanks.
--
Steen

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From: aeh@sci.fi                                        21-Oct-99 11:52:03
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 10:33:27
Subj: TNT Refresh rate

From: Alexander Ehrnrooth <aeh@sci.fi>

I just upgraded my video card to STB Velocity 4400. The nVidia drivers
work well except only at 60 Hz. Any way to increase the refresh rate?
TIA
Alex

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From: zeppelin@gte.net                                  21-Oct-99 13:03:13
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 14:39:11
Subj: Scitech DD & Trap 0006

From: "zeppelin@gte.net" <zeppelin@gte.net>

Hope one of you that are skilled in deciphering "popup" message codes
will shed a little lite for me, (and if you have any guidelines that can
make me self sufficient in this area,  I'd be even more grateful, this
obviously useful info has always been a "black art" puzzle to me)

The issue at hand is that I've  got an ATI (#@^%$#@&) 3D Pro Turbo 8 meg
card that while pretty, has  ALWAYS had  some form of Disfunction,  with
the disfunction  varying from driver set to driver set. A problem under
the OEM driver, doesn't exist at all in the Gradd driver (S),{examples:
getting SVGA drivers to load with all 8 meg of video Ram installed, and
poor control over refresh rates} and problems that seem unavoidable
under gradd, never before existed with the OEM drivers {examples: FS
sessions of Win-OS2 and DOS run fine, but Seamless Win-OS2 sessions
refuse to launch, and DOS windows open, but only a flashing cursor comes
up, no autoexec.bat scroll, and no "C" prompt}

The "seamless" problem has been a fixture ever since fixx pak 8, and is
introduced into my system whenever I apply Fixxpaks 8,9, or 10 to my
system when it is at a fixpak 7 level, or when ever I install any of the
gradd drivers.

Currently, my system is at fixxpak 10 level, and I only recently  was
able to get Seamless "win-OS2" sessions to work by (1. uninstalling all
"enhanced" or "SVGA" drivers, 2. cleaning up all .ini files3. using
selective Uninstall to remove all support fo Dos and Win-os2, 4.
rebooting and then reinstalling support for Dos and Win-OS2, Then, while
at 640x480x16 color (as required by the "default" video of selective
install) Dos windows and Seamless Win-OS2 sessions run fine, but if I
then attempt to install any Gradd driver, I get HI-res, Hi-color,
Hi-refresh rate control, but Seamless sessions and Dos windows go on the
fritz..

I have been really  hoping that  the Scitech Display Doctor might once
and for all solve all of these problems.
I really want to get Scitech's Display Doctor working on my system so i
can pay for it, and be happy!!

But, everytime I've tried to install it, (either beta 6, 7, or 8) the
install appears to go really well, then, when I re-boot my system, ,
The config.sys runs flawlessly,  even notes that the SDDxxx.x was
installed, then....RIGHT when you expect to see "first color" of real
GUI, I get:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Exception in Device Driver: SDDHELP$

Trap 0006    ERRCD=0000    ERACC=****     ERLIM=********
EAX=49f0000c    EBX=9b1b0592    ECX=00000016    EDX=000004d8
ESI=9b980592    EDI=1b2b0016    EBP=000856bc    FLG=00213202
CS:EIP=3a88:00000770    CSACC=009b    CSLIM=000007fe
SS:ESP=0030:000056b8    SSACC=1097    SSLIM=00004996
DS=3a80    DSACC=0093    DSLIM=0000023c     CRO=8001001b
ES=3a88    ESACC=009b    ESLIM=00007fe    CR2=1f7d7470
FS=04d8    FSACC=0093    FSLIM=00000651
GS=0000    GSACC=****    GSLIM=********

The System detected an internal Processing error at location ##0168:fff
492de-000e:c2de
60000,  9084

06860016
internal revision 98/11/17

The System is stopped, --Blah, Blahhh, -Blahhhhhhh etc.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

If I remove SDD, and re-install gradd, I'm right back where I started,
BUT, IF I merely use an "F3" at the system recovery choices screen, and
then re-install Gradd,  without un-installing SDD, the system boots
normally, and the "config.sys process even claims to have loaded
SDDHELP.SYS, and the system starts out at the 256 colors you would
expect. Why SDDHELP.sys loads this way with no problem, I havent the
slightest clue, but this way the operations
are strictly"gradd" anyway, none of the scitech tools will work (they
cause the exact same trap in fact) ,but that's neither here nor there,
just a curiousity, I've since uninstalled all SDD componetry, until a
working solution can be had.

Un fortunately, the recent interaction between Scitech and IBM has had
the predictable offshoot, Now Scitech states that they "have no time" to
address specific requests for help in employing their product, and that
their news groups are for receiving "bug reports" only, and tech
guidance in resolving use related problems cannot be provided, even
"on-line" ( sounds real familiar, doesn't it?)


My system:

Cyrix 686 p166,  128 meg EDO RAM, OS/2 warp v4 with fixxpak 10
installed, Adaptec 2940UW, Hauppauge Win-Cast PCI capture card, ATI  3D
Pro Turbo Pc2TV   8 meg video adapter.

Also EMX 9c, Xfree86, StarOffice v5.1, WatchCat, and trying out PC/2,
and VFat32
(these seem to all work great, i just list them, because they seem to
be magnets for complaints about  obscure System maladys)

History: Bought the ATI 3D Pro Turbo PC2TV 3 yrs ago. ATI never could
fix the problem where the OEM driver will not install if all 8 meg of
video RAM are installed, So begrudgingly I removed the 4 meg expansion
module from the video card, and all was "ok"except Refresh rates were
horribly slow.  No problems with "seamless" until fixxpak 8,9, and 10,
and /or  whenever I attempted to use a Gradd driver.


Thought / Rank speculation:

trap 0006 problems are usually equated to Memory problems. Could it be
that this trap is due to the 4 meg video card expansion module being in
place?  Gradd v .80 installs fine with or without the 4 meg expansion
module in place.


--
"Windows N.T."  ........OS/2 for the masses?


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From: dbongo@ibm.net                                    21-Oct-99 14:59:13
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 14:39:11
Subj: Video card suggestion

From: dbongo@ibm.net

I'm looking into getting a new computer and wanted to get some
suggestions for a video card.

I'm currently running a Cyrix 6x86 P166+, 32MB RAM, with a Diamond Stealth.
(I think.  I know it's a Diamond.)  I'm currently thinking of PIII 500 with
128MB RAM
for the next system.  I figure I can keep that below $1500, and (hopefully)
get 
at least 3 years out of it.

Anyways, I don't need an $800 video card.  I'd like something reasonably
cheap, decently fast, and compatible with OS/2 (duh) Windows (doubt that'll
be a problem) and Linux.  (Heck, even with BeOS, if possible.  While I use
OS/2
99% (or more) of the time, I want the flexibility to install and use other
OSes if
I ever decide to do it.)

I also need a sound card (same price/compatability criteria as above), so any
suggestions or a pointer to the correct newsgroup would be appeciated.

Finally, which system vendor would you suggest?  (I don't want to be bothered
assembling the system myself if I can avoid it.)

Any other suggestions would be helpful as well.

Thanks a lot.
Dave

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From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca                           21-Oct-99 20:04:19
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 16:48:12
Subj: Re: Video card suggestion

From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

dbongo@ibm.net wrote:
: I'm looking into getting a new computer and wanted to get some
: suggestions for a video card.

: I'm currently running a Cyrix 6x86 P166+, 32MB RAM, with a Diamond Stealth.
: (I think.  I know it's a Diamond.)  I'm currently thinking of PIII 500 with
128MB RAM
: for the next system.  I figure I can keep that below $1500, and (hopefully)
get 
: at least 3 years out of it.

: Anyways, I don't need an $800 video card.  I'd like something reasonably
: cheap, decently fast, and compatible with OS/2 (duh) Windows (doubt that'll
: be a problem) and Linux.  (Heck, even with BeOS, if possible.  While I use
OS/2
: 99% (or more) of the time, I want the flexibility to install and use other
OSes if
: I ever decide to do it.)

: I also need a sound card (same price/compatability criteria as above), so
any
: suggestions or a pointer to the correct newsgroup would be appeciated.

: Finally, which system vendor would you suggest?  (I don't want to be
bothered
: assembling the system myself if I can avoid it.)

- Video card. I'd pick Matrox anyday. The G100 and G200 are still
available and are very cheap. Supported under Linux and BeOS too I think.
The G100 is running < $100 CDN over here. S3 cards are also good, cheap
and well supported.
- Sound card. Geez, if you're not picky about quality, and want a cheap,
compatible card, grab yourself a Soundblaster 16. Otherwise, may I
recommend any Crystal/Cirrus chip cards? i.e. AOpen AW320, AOpen AW37 Pro,
etc. I picked one up for $38CDN. Drivers are from Cirrus, NOT Acer/AOPEN.

=> System vendor? Personally I'd pick a local store and install the
software myself. But I think Indelible-Blue ships very compatible systems
too.


Isaac

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From: phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com                     22-Oct-99 02:43:24
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 02:30:01
Subj: Re: trick the video card ?

From: Phillip Davenport <phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com>

Steen Bondo <sbo@hehe.com> wrote:
> Phillip Davenport wrote..

>> I have a nice, but old 21" monitor.

> PD> What brand? What model?

> Aydin Ranger 21

Handy results from HotBot -
</http://www.amigaworld.freeserve.co.uk/ar5021.html/>

> PD> What video chipset?

> AGP S3 something - 4MB ram. I don't have the manual that easy 
> accessable. When needed I can of course get it. OS/2 thinks it's a S3 
> 864/868 - probably pretty close. Unless you know what files that needs 
> to be replaced on my system, this is not yet important.

> PD> Configure the card for the resolution and refresh rate that will
> PD> work with the monitor.

Use Selective Install to install the VGA drivers. Reboot.

Use Selective Install to install the drivers for the detected hardeware.
Reboot.

Open the System notebook to the second page of the Screen tab. Choose the
"IBM PS/2 8514 Color Monitor.." On the first page choose the 1024x768
resolution and whatever color depth..
 
> See.!

No tricks.

  p

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      21-Oct-99 20:10:08
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 05:24:03
Subj: hauppauge was:Scitech DD & Trap 0006

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

zeppelin@gte.net wrote in a message to All:

zg> Hauppauge Win-Cast PCI capture card,

Do you use this from OS/2 - WarpTV ??

> ATI 3D Pro Turbo Pc2TV

This is ? PC video signal --> TV scart/aerial input ?
--
Steen

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From: aeh@sci.fi                                        22-Oct-99 09:46:02
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 05:24:03
Subj: Re: NVidia Drivers

From: Alexander Ehrnrooth <aeh@sci.fi>

John Griffin wrote:
> 
> no problems here nividia riva tnt (stb4400)
> Peter Stein wrote in message <7u2fg2$k8q$1@flood.xnet.com>...
> >In article <gYZM3.815$yp.5294@news.rdc1.pa.home.com>,
> > <tvoltagg@home.com> wrote:
> >>Does anyone have any experience with the NVidia drivers in OS/2?
> >>Which card are you using?  How good is it?
> >
> >You beat me to it. I was just about to post this query. :-)
> >
> >In addition, how do you like the 2D image quality? Any
> >problems with WINOS2?
> >
> >I'm considering the Asus V3800 Ultra and also a Matrox G400.
> >The TNT2 Ultra is very fast and more price competitive, but
> >has gotten slammed on its 2D image quality.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Peter Stein
> >nbi@xnet.com
no problems? how did you do that? I'm stuck at 60 Hz.

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      22-Oct-99 10:41:21
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 10:21:22
Subj: trick the video card ?

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Phillip Davenport wrote in a message to Steen Bondo:

> PD> What video chipset?

S3 Trio 3D/2D 86C362

PD> Use Selective Install to install the VGA drivers. Reboot.

PD> Use Selective Install to install the drivers for the detected
PD> hardeware. Reboot.

"detected hardware" if it can't detect my monitor ??

PD> Open the System notebook to the second page of the Screen tab.

Now I don't have a page two like that. Hope it appears after video 
driver installation.

Might try it tonight - thanks so far.
--
Steen

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      22-Oct-99 12:27:01
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 10:21:22
Subj: work.!!

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Hi Amazing <menzi@uk.ibm.com>

Can you ask a guro around you, what "DBCS" is abbreviation for.?? 
Something with OS/2 and display drivers...

Love
--
Steen

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From: bmartinpe1@nexo.es                                22-Oct-99 15:12:28
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 12:35:26
Subj: Re: work.!!

From: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDn=2DRold=E1n?= <bmartinpe1@nexo.es>

Double Byte Character Set, it's used for symbolic languages as
chinese, Korean, etc.

Steen Bondo escribi˘:

> Hi Amazing <menzi@uk.ibm.com>
>
> Can you ask a guro around you, what "DBCS" is abbreviation for.??
> Something with OS/2 and display drivers...
>
> Love
> --
> Steen

--

Best Regards

Carlos Martin-Roldan
=======================
Remove "1" from address to mail me.


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From: ivask@gaia.gi.ee                                  22-Oct-99 16:35:00
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 12:35:26
Subj: Re: trick the video card ?

From: Jyri Ivask <ivask@gaia.gi.ee>

Steen Bondo wrote:

> Phillip Davenport wrote in a message to Steen Bondo:
>
> > PD> What video chipset?
>
> S3 Trio 3D/2D 86C362

Hi.
It seems, that the only option for you is to install the ibmgradd80
driver and use the virge option:

setup virge

,as S3Trio3D belongs to the s3 virge series. Read the readme file in the
gradd80.exe package (self-extracting zip file). First reset your system
to VGA.
After installation select your monitor on the second page of system
notebook and then on the first page your resolution, colour depth and
refresh frequency.

Best regards
Jri Ivask
ivask@gi.ee

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