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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              15-Oct-99 17:39:11
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 04:21:29
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

Tobias Gladh wrote:

> I use the same approach (it's very effective), except that I throw away
> everything that isn't addressed to me. This means I have to have additional
> filters for the mailing lists before this filter, but it's definitely worth
> it.
> I never see the spam, not even the subject, thereby defeating their purpose.
> 
> As an aside, what mailer are you using? I use MR/2 ICE, and I like the
> filtering
> it has.
> 
> Another good method is to never end up on their spam-lists in the first
place,
> by mutilating your mail-address when you post in a newsgroup. Maybe they can
> pick out my real address, but I don't think so, as I receive virtually no
spam
> addressed to me. My presence in their lists probably stems from my innocent
> period on KTH, before I met the harsh reality of real life :-)
> 
> Once they get your address, you end up on their SPAM-CDs, which they sell to
> each other, forever.
> 
> I wouldn't mind to be able to send an electronic "torpedo" at the spammers,
> especially when you get an ad about the millons of addresses they have on
> their damned CDs.

Agreed on all accounts, esp. the torpedo idea.  Those of us 
who -- out of laziness or whatever -- use NS to participate 
here are out of luck, because it doesn't let you diddle your
return address.  At least not NS 2.02.  I'm not sure if the
"Reply To" field in 4.61 might be used for that purpose.
So, I can count on receiving Spam after every post here.  At
the moment, I don't particularly care, since my e-mail addr. 
will be changing in the near future.

<jf>

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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              15-Oct-99 17:33:18
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 04:21:29
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

Doug Bissett wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:11:53, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my
> > mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
> >
> > I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that
> > if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send
> > hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their
> > mailing list.
> >
> > I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish
> > this with some of the features in the program but I am not a
> > programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> > do what I want?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> > [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.
> 
> I quit returning ANYTHING (even Remove requests) to the SPAMMERS. All
> it seems to do, is CONFIRM that they have a real , live, address, so
> they can add your name to more SPAM lists. I just set up a filter. If
> the mail isn't addressed, specifically, to me, it goes into a separate
> mail bin. Then I scan, real quick, to see if something slipped through
> that I really do want to keep, save that, and trash the rest.
> 
> If the SPAM is actually addressed to me, I try to send a note back to
> the webmaster of the domain that it came from. Sometimes that works.
> Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft),
> you are wasting your time.
> 
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

Hi -- 

I think it is Sundial (who put out Mesa, Clearlook, and other
OS/2 s/w) that is developing what promises to be an excellent
smart SPAM-filtering / processing applet, that will keep most
of this stuff from reaching you in the first place.  It learns,
too, so whatever may slip by today can be nailed tom'w.  They
have done a demo or two at our user group, getting feedback 
for improvements.  No idea when it will be released, but the
OS/2 platform will get it first !  Keep watching the skies.

<jf>

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From: mgreene@exis.net                                  15-Oct-99 21:04:20
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 04:21:29
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: "Michael K Greene" <mgreene@exis.net>

On 15 Oct 1999 05:35:18 GMT, Peter Moylan wrote:

>Grant Bierman <gbierman@fnmail.com> wrote:
>>In <7u4kjk$krq$1@news.monmouth.com>, on 10/14/99 
>>   at 01:08 PM, Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG (Tim Stephen) said:
>>
>>>Weasel looks okay but (1) is there support from the author? and (2) it
>
>The author (that's me) spends a lot of time in the OS/2 newsgroups,
>and new versions of Weasel come out from time to time.
>
>>>seems to require that all incoming mail be sorted into a predetermined
>>>list of known user's mailboxes.  That is a bad idea in circumstances in
>>>which you want to accept mail generally rather than rejecting mail to
>>>unknown users. 
>
>An interesting point.  My attitude has been that "unknown user" mail
>should be bounced immediately, so that the sender knows that he's
>addressed it badly.  However it would be feasible in principle to
>add an option that says that all mail to unknown users should be
>routed to a special mailbox.  You'd also have the opportunity in
>that case to use a smart filter that tried to figure out the most
>sensible destination.  I'd never use such an option myself, but I can
>appreciate that others might want it.  I'll take a look soon to see
>how easy this would be to implement.
>
>>I run weasel, and after a bit I go it sorted out to accept mail from
>>anyone/anywhere and send it on. Just put in * for acceptable destinations
>>and for acceptable sources, works fine for me.
>
>I wouldn't recommend running it that way. It means that you've
>turned your mail server into an open relay. That's OK if you're running
>a private internet, or something like that, but if you're connected to
>the real internet then the junk mailers will find you sooner or later.
>I'd suggest that you tune the "acceptable sources" to be the purely
>local machines, or the machines belonging to your own users, or
>some variation on that theme.

Ok Peter, 

Can I use Weasel to have a 486 sever collect all my various pop3 mails (I
have my personal email and use 2 free accounts for maillists), sort to
folders, and then have them all served to me (main computer) via IMAP? Just
playing around.

 
>Peter Moylan                                        
peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
>See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net>     |      OS/2 Warp / Linux / Win95-311



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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          16-Oct-99 14:26:02
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 14:29:07
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:39:23, "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net> 
wrote:

:> I wouldn't mind to be able to send an electronic "torpedo" at the spammers,
:> especially when you get an ad about the millons of addresses they have on
:> their damned CDs.
: 
:Agreed on all accounts, esp. the torpedo idea.

 No, it isn't. Net abuse is net abuse, and you agreed to refrain from 
such behavior under pain of losing your account with Earthlink. The 
ONLY way to fight spam is to go over the spammer's head, to kill their
accounts.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          16-Oct-99 14:58:14
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 14:29:07
Subj: Re: new PMMail/2

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:26:48, maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff) 
wrote:

:I see that a new company has bought PMMail/2 and re-christened it 2.1.

 I believe it's the same folks, Southsoft, under a different name.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: jspringf@pro-ns.net                               16-Oct-99 18:19:11
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 16:44:01
Subj: Starting Post Road Mailer

From: jspringf@pro-ns.net

Is there a switch or other method to start PRM so that on startup
it will automatically do something--like look for new messages,
or send queued up ones waiting to go out?

-----------------------------------------------------------
Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
Plymouth, MN
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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                16-Oct-99 12:26:23
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 16:44:01
Subj: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

Anyone tried the PGP interface?  It seems still broken, encrypting for the
sender, but not the recipient.


-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

                MORE SPORTS RESULTS:
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From: swsnyder@home.com                                 16-Oct-99 20:20:29
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 19:52:07
Subj: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com>

Where to we registered PMMail v2.0 users stand in relation to PMMail 
v2.1?  Is it a free upgrade?  Cheap upgrade?  Total new product?

Do I just installed the new version over my existing PMMail v2.0 
installation?

And, in case there's not enough question marks in the above text, why
has SouthSoft's Web site not been updated to reflect these new
goings-on?


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: virobik@MAPS.onr.com                              16-Oct-99 21:19:12
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 19:52:07
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: virobik@MAPS.onr.com

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:20:59, "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com> 
wrote:

> Where to we registered PMMail v2.0 users stand in relation to PMMail 
> v2.1?  Is it a free upgrade?  Cheap upgrade?  Total new product?
> 
> Do I just installed the new version over my existing PMMail v2.0 
> installation?
> 
> And, in case there's not enough question marks in the above text, why
> has SouthSoft's Web site not been updated to reflect these new
> goings-on?
> 
> 
> ***** Steve Snyder *****
> 
> 
> 

Because PMMail is no longer Southsoft's product. It's development and 
support has been taken over by another firm.

kevin

virobik@MAPS.onr.com
Please remove "MAPS." when replying

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From: Thomas.Billert@rz.uni-jena.de                     16-Oct-99 19:42:01
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 19:52:08
Subj: Re: new PMMail/2

From: Thomas.Billert@rz.uni-jena.de (Thomas Billert)

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:26:48 GMT, Mark Klebanoff wrote in 
comp.os.os2.mail-news:

>I see that a new company has bought PMMail/2 and re-christened it 2.1.
> Besides a new logo on the "about" page, what's different between this
>and the previous version?
>
dunno. The worst bug/limitation for me is still present, PMMail still
can't handle mails with German Umlauts in connection with PGP.

regards, Billy.
-- 
Thomas Billert using OS/2 Warp 4   *   Thomas.Billert@rz.uni-jena.de
http://www.uni-jena.de/~c5thbi     *   Thomas.Billert@t-online.de
                                   *   PGP public keys available on my
OS/2-Usergroup Jena und Umgebung:  *               website
http://www.uni-jena.de/~c5thbi/os2jena.html

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From: Thomas.Billert@rz.uni-jena.de                     16-Oct-99 19:40:13
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 19:52:08
Subj: Re: new PMMail/2

From: Thomas.Billert@rz.uni-jena.de (Thomas Billert)

On 16 Oct 1999 14:58:29 GMT, Annie K. wrote in 
comp.os.os2.mail-news:

> I believe it's the same folks, Southsoft, under a different name.
>
nope, it's BMT Micro's Thomas Bradford. Read the press release that
came through WarpCast. For my part I am happy to see that it goes to
Thomas and not to some unknown in the OS/2 scene. So PMMail/2 will
definitely have a future :-)

regards, Billy.
-- 
Thomas Billert using OS/2 Warp 4   *   Thomas.Billert@rz.uni-jena.de
http://www.uni-jena.de/~c5thbi     *   Thomas.Billert@t-online.de
                                   *   PGP public keys available on my
OS/2-Usergroup Jena und Umgebung:  *               website
http://www.uni-jena.de/~c5thbi/os2jena.html

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From: a.werry@ix.netcom.com                             16-Oct-99 17:48:07
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 19:52:08
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: Arthur Werry <a.werry@ix.netcom.com>

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:20:59, "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com> 
wrote:
>
>> Where to we registered PMMail v2.0 users stand in relation to PMMail 
>> v2.1?  Is it a free upgrade?  Cheap upgrade?

I haven't had a chance to install the new OS/2 version yet, but when I
installed the new Windows version it accepted my old registration
number just fine.

Art


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From: dtander@agts.net                                  16-Oct-99 22:15:01
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 21:21:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: dtander@agts.net (David T. Anderson)

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:20:59, "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com> 
wrote:

> Where to we registered PMMail v2.0 users stand in relation to PMMail 
> v2.1?  Is it a free upgrade?  Cheap upgrade?  Total new product?
> 
> Do I just installed the new version over my existing PMMail v2.0 
> installation?

I threw caution to the winds today and simply installed 2.1 into my 
PMMail directory...all went well....I lost no data, and my 
registration info was untouched.  So -- I would call this a free 
upgrade.  Exactly what it upgrades I'm not sure about...there didn't 
seem to anything in the readme file to indicate new or improved 
features [but then I was just home after working a nightshift, so my 
consciousness was slightly altered...].


> And, in case there's not enough question marks in the above text, why
> has SouthSoft's Web site not been updated to reflect these new
> goings-on?

Well, obviously SouthSoft has sold PMMail to BluePrint Software Works,
so looking at the SouthSoft pages won't tell you too much.  I dunno if
this is a good thing or a bad thing, but I guess time will tell.

While I will be forever grateful to Bob Novitsky for creating PMMail 
(I happened on an early beta just as my frustration with UltiMail Lite
was reaching a climax) I must say that I don't much admire SouthSoft's
behavior over the last few months.  Bob and Icon used to frequent the 
newsgroups, and keep their webpages up-to-date, but lately we've been 
starved for news and  [according to some] support.  Given that email 
is the #1 application for the Net, people care _a lot_ about their 
email apps, and I think it behooves the creator of a popular email app
to keep his/their customers in the loop.

Anyhow, it looks like we now have BluePrint to deal with...I hope 
they'll be more open than SouthSoft has been....  

David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta
http://www.agt.net/public/dtander/

Using ProNews/2 for OS/2 Warp

**NOSPAM**  To email me, remove the 's' from my address...

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From: !2020hindsight@usa.net                            16-Oct-99 20:17:17
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 21:21:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: !2020hindsight@usa.net (Bill Clark)

David T. Anderson wrote:

> I threw caution to the winds today and simply installed 2.1 

Where does one find 2.1?

TIA!

-bc-
 
User Friendly Software:
  That which makes friends among those trying to use it
	

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          17-Oct-99 10:59:09
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 03:47:12
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I just installed it over PMMail/2 and clicking on "Help - About" shows
it's registered to me. The help still mentions something about it being
shareware and limited (Can't print, etc) but it printed to Faxworks so I
guess it's OK.

Cheers

Wayne


On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:20:59 GMT, Steve Snyder wrote:

:>Where to we registered PMMail v2.0 users stand in relation to PMMail 
:>v2.1?  Is it a free upgrade?  Cheap upgrade?  Total new product?
:>
:>Do I just installed the new version over my existing PMMail v2.0 
:>installation?
:>
:>And, in case there's not enough question marks in the above text, why
:>has SouthSoft's Web site not been updated to reflect these new
:>goings-on?
:>
:>
:>***** Steve Snyder *****
:>
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca                           17-Oct-99 04:35:28
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 03:47:12
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Steve Snyder (swsnyder@home.com) wrote:
: Where to we registered PMMail v2.0 users stand in relation to PMMail 
: v2.1?  Is it a free upgrade?  Cheap upgrade?  Total new product?
	According to the info via the PMMail list, it is a _free_ upgrade
to v2.0
I installed it right over my v2.0 and it remains to be registered, so I'll
assume that to be true.
	Other than a new icon, and possibly some invisible bug fixes,
feature changes, it is nearly the same as v2.0
	PMMail has been taken over by another software company that is
promising to take care of it.

: Do I just installed the new version over my existing PMMail v2.0 
: installation?

: And, in case there's not enough question marks in the above text, why
: has SouthSoft's Web site not been updated to reflect these new
: goings-on?

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          17-Oct-99 04:39:17
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 03:47:12
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:17:34, !2020hindsight@usa.net (Bill Clark) 
wrote:

:Where does one find 2.1?

 Hobbes /incoming, http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: henkvandyk@euronet.nl                             17-Oct-99 10:23:02
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 10:24:05
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: H van Dyk <henkvandyk@euronet.nl>

"Annie K." wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:17:34, !2020hindsight@usa.net (Bill Clark)
> wrote:
> 
> :Where does one find 2.1?
> 
>  Hobbes /incoming, http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming
> 
> --
> Klaatu barada nikto

I don't see any updates available. It looks like
the version number of the program has changed
because the name of the company has changed...

Henk

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From: no-one@nospam                                     17-Oct-99 10:18:24
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 10:24:05
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: no-one@nospam

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:20:59 GMT, "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com>
wrote:

>Where to we registered PMMail v2.0 users stand in relation to PMMail 
>v2.1?  Is it a free upgrade?  Cheap upgrade?  Total new product?
>
>Do I just installed the new version over my existing PMMail v2.0 
>installation?
>

Version 2.1 is a free upgrade to users of version 2.0     Users of the
1.* series of PMMail/2 will have to purhase an upgrade.   If I read
the docs correctly, if you install 2.1 over an existing 1.* then it
will become an unregistered version.

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From: kasommer@sherrill.kiva.net                        17-Oct-99 10:25:26
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 14:29:26
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: kasommer@sherrill.kiva.net (Kim A. Sommer)

In article <YmSPgjx6zsY1-pn2-d6TL4nlrGx4m@pmnet1-65.onr.com>,
 <virobik@onr.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:20:59, "Steve Snyder" <swsnyder@home.com> 
>wrote:
>
[snip]
>> 
>> And, in case there's not enough question marks in the above text, why
>> has SouthSoft's Web site not been updated to reflect these new
>> goings-on?
>> 
[snip]
>
>Because PMMail is no longer Southsoft's product. It's development and 
>support has been taken over by another firm.
>

Who took over PMMAil?  Is ther a URL, email, or phone #?

Regards,
Kim
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From: nick@secant.com                                   17-Oct-99 11:52:12
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 14:29:26
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: Nick Knight <nick@secant.com>

In <3809c00e.82297305@news.omen.net.au>, on 10/17/99 
   at 12:30 PM, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>>upgrade.  Exactly what it upgrades I'm not sure about...there didn't 
>>seem to anything in the readme file to indicate new or improved 
>>features

>There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
>the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)

That's a relief!  At first I though this might be just some marketing ploy
to try to convince people there is life in the product simply by upping a
version number a full point.

Now, it's completely obvious to me that this was a full maintenance
release :)

Perhaps I'm being too stingy with my release versions increments? <grin>

Nick
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From: no-one@nospam                                     17-Oct-99 15:40:28
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 14:29:26
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: no-one@nospam

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:15:02 GMT, no-one@nospam wrote:

>Hmm, well if you send to multiple addresses, including your own, it
>seems to encrypt with the sender's key.   I suppose if sending to
>multiple addresses, not including the sender's, that it will only use
>one key as well.    Bit crap really :-))
>
>So can it only be used one to one ?

Well further playing indicates the messages are encrypted with the
keys of all recipients BUT  PMMail only read the first address on the
list and if that isn't you.....you can't decrypt via PMMail and have
to save the message to a file and do it manually.

eg:-	1@com
	2@com

reads the key needed as that of 1@com even if you are 2@com

	2@com
	1@com

reads the needed key as that of 2@com meaning 1@com cannot read it
through PMMail.

However, the message does contain all the keys and ids of the intended
recipients.


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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   16-Oct-99 16:01:28
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 14:29:26
Subj: Re: new PMMail/2

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <WiQtt4WDEbXf-pn2-gTVRbStIKiE4@vcn30.pm3-1.chey.wy.vcn.com>, on
10/16/99 
   at 02:58 PM, piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) said:

>On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:26:48, maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff) 
>wrote:

>:I see that a new company has bought PMMail/2 and re-christened it 2.1.

> I believe it's the same folks, Southsoft, under a different name.

It is located in Wilmington, NC, same as bmtmicro and os2ss.com

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          17-Oct-99 16:05:25
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 14:29:26
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:25:53, kasommer@sherrill.kiva.net (Kim A. 
Sommer) wrote:

:Who took over PMMAil? 

 http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com/

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From: hharris@netcomuk.co.uk                            17-Oct-99 17:24:22
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 16:35:05
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: Howard Harris <hharris@netcomuk.co.uk>

On 17 Oct 1999 10:25:53 -0500, kasommer@sherrill.kiva.net (Kim A. Sommer)
wrote:


>Who took over PMMAil?  Is ther a URL, email, or phone #?

http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             17-Oct-99 09:58:16
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 16:35:05
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:19:25 GMT, virobik@MAPS.onr.com wrote:

>Because PMMail is no longer Southsoft's product. It's development and 
>support has been taken over by another firm.

The press releases I've seen didn't say anything about _development_
being taken over; just publishing and support. I think BoB and Icon are
still doing the development, they're just turning over the marketing
and support -> Blue Print Software like they did with PMINews ->
StarDock.


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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            17-Oct-99 18:31:23
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 16:35:05
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:52:57 GMT, no-one@nospam wrote:

>What exactly are you experiencing ?    It would appear to work for me,
>though I am admittedly using it for the first time and there are some
>"gotchas".

Almost nothing happens on my machine. If I get a PGP encrypted message, I
just see garbage. If I save the message and uncrypt it by hand it works. If a
message is signed I just get "Could not verify PGP key". And I don't know how
to encrypt a message with PGP because nothing happens. I use PGP 5.0

cu

Adrian


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From: noway@all.to.spam                                 17-Oct-99 19:10:04
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 19:56:06
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: "Bill Scarlett" <noway@all.to.spam>

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:20:59 GMT, Steve Snyder wrote:

>Where to we registered PMMail v2.0 users stand in relation to PMMail 
>v2.1?  Is it a free upgrade?  Cheap upgrade?  Total new product?

	The product is free if you registered it at v2.0 upwards.  It worked
for me when I installed it separately from my previous 2.1 and registered it
with the 5 line block I received in a msg from BMT Software.  Well, after I
deleted a space character or two at the end of the block :-(

	In passing, the address of the new company is:-

Blueprint Software Works, Inc. 
5019 Carolina Beach Rd. Ste. 102
Wilmington, NC 28412
USA 

and its president is one Thomas Bradford, so I think we get the picture on
where it is coming from.   It is an independent company 'tho'.

	73 Bill in the West Riding of Yorkshire, U.K.
		bill@eldwick.u-net.com

	




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From: xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx                 17-Oct-99 19:40:28
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 19:56:06
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark davidson)

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:30:40, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:

> >upgrade.  Exactly what it upgrades I'm not sure about...there didn't 
> >seem to anything in the readme file to indicate new or improved 
> >features [but then I was just home after working a nightshift, so my 
> >consciousness was slightly altered...].
> 
> There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
> the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)

here's another improvement.  mark some text in the body of a message 
and click the right mouse button.  you're now able to 'copy' it to the
clipboard whereas in the past (and unlike the win9x version) that 
wasn't possible.

regards, ..

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From: no-one@nospam                                     17-Oct-99 19:38:06
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 19:56:06
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: no-one@nospam

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:31:47 +0200 (CDT), "Adrian Gschwend"
<nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> wrote:

>Almost nothing happens on my machine. If I get a PGP encrypted message, I
>just see garbage. If I save the message and uncrypt it by hand it works. If a
>message is signed I just get "Could not verify PGP key". And I don't know how
>to encrypt a message with PGP because nothing happens. I use PGP 5.0

How are you viewing the messages ?    I do not use the preview pane
window.   I have to click on the message to open it and when I do I
get  a message requesting my passphrase before the message opens.  If
the passphrase is correct, the message opens decrypted, if not correct
the message opens with encrypted text displayed.

Regards.

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From: fBeythien@gmx.de                                  17-Oct-99 19:31:10
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 19:56:06
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: fBeythien@gmx.de (Frank Beythien)

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:31:47, "Adrian Gschwend" 
<nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:52:57 GMT, no-one@nospam wrote:
> 
> >What exactly are you experiencing ?    It would appear to work for me,
> >though I am admittedly using it for the first time and there are some
> >"gotchas".
> 
> Almost nothing happens on my machine. If I get a PGP encrypted message, I
> just see garbage. If I save the message and uncrypt it by hand it works. If
a
> message is signed I just get "Could not verify PGP key". And I don't know
how
> to encrypt a message with PGP because nothing happens. I use PGP 5.0

The problem as I see it: PMMail switches automatically to encoding 
quoted-printable if there are german Umlaute or perhaps other non 
US-ASCII characters in the message. If the pgp signature / encrypted 
msg contains = (equal signs), these + the following two chars get 
interpreted as quoted-printable, making pgp VERY unhappy. And me too, 
so I stopped using pgp  with PMMail.

CU/2
Frank
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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      17-Oct-99 15:27:07
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 19:56:07
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <3809c00e.82297305@news.omen.net.au>, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) writes:

>There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
>the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)
>
>That was pretty much the last bug in my list - its looking real nice.

PMMAIL v2.10 still pegs cpu at 100% until PMMAIL is killed when I
click MB3 (remapped as MB1 double-click) on PMMAIL.  I was really
hoping that bug would have been dealt with as PMMAIL is the only 
program that does this with MB3.  XIT's exclude list can work 
around this, but I am loath the spend $25 for just that.  Better to 
fix the problem at the source than fix the symptom anyway.

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 17-Oct-99 12:30:20
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 02:24:12
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

dtander@agts.net (David T. Anderson) wrote:

>I threw caution to the winds today and simply installed 2.1 into my 
>PMMail directory...all went well....I lost no data, and my 
>registration info was untouched.  So -- I would call this a free 
>upgrade.  Exactly what it upgrades I'm not sure about...there didn't 
>seem to anything in the readme file to indicate new or improved 
>features [but then I was just home after working a nightshift, so my 
>consciousness was slightly altered...].

There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)

That was pretty much the last bug in my list - its looking real nice.
The new icon is cool too hehehe.


Craig

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          17-Oct-99 14:04:14
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 02:24:12
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:23:05, H van Dyk <henkvandyk@euronet.nl> wrote:

:"Annie K." wrote:
:> 
:> On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:17:34, !2020hindsight@usa.net (Bill Clark)
:> wrote:
:> 
:> :Where does one find 2.1?
:> 
:>  Hobbes /incoming, http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming
:> 
:> --
:> Klaatu barada nikto
: 
:I don't see any updates available. 

 ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming/pmmail210.exe

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From: no-one@nospam                                     17-Oct-99 13:52:28
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 02:24:12
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: no-one@nospam

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:29:29 +0200 (CDT), "Adrian Gschwend"
<nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> wrote:

>On 16 Oct 1999 12:26:47 -0700, John M Price PhD wrote:
>
>>Anyone tried the PGP interface?  It seems still broken, encrypting for the
>>sender, but not the recipient.
>
>It's the same on my machine, it does not work (this sucks...)
>
>Hope they *really* fix this soon
>

What exactly are you experiencing ?    It would appear to work for me,
though I am admittedly using it for the first time and there are some
"gotchas".

It would appear that it encrypts for the receiver according to the
email address specified despite asking for the sender's pass phrase.
The drawback with this appears to be once sent, the sender cannot view
the message unless he/she has added themself to the recipients list.

So at the moment, using 2.6.3, it seems to work.

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From: no-one@nospam                                     17-Oct-99 14:15:01
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 02:24:12
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: no-one@nospam

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:52:57 GMT, no-one@nospam wrote:

>It would appear that it encrypts for the receiver according to the
>email address specified despite asking for the sender's pass phrase.
>The drawback with this appears to be once sent, the sender cannot view
>the message unless he/she has added themself to the recipients list.

Hmm, well if you send to multiple addresses, including your own, it
seems to encrypt with the sender's key.   I suppose if sending to
multiple addresses, not including the sender's, that it will only use
one key as well.    Bit crap really :-))

So can it only be used one to one ?


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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            17-Oct-99 13:29:14
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 02:24:12
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On 16 Oct 1999 12:26:47 -0700, John M Price PhD wrote:

>Anyone tried the PGP interface?  It seems still broken, encrypting for the
>sender, but not the recipient.

It's the same on my machine, it does not work (this sucks...)

Hope they *really* fix this soon

cu

Adrian


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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              17-Oct-99 15:21:16
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 03:19:22
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

Annie K. wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:39:23, "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> :> I wouldn't mind to be able to send an electronic "torpedo" at the
spammers,
> :> especially when you get an ad about the millons of addresses they have on
> :> their damned CDs.
> :
> :Agreed on all accounts, esp. the torpedo idea.
> 
>  No, it isn't. Net abuse is net abuse, and you agreed to refrain from
> such behavior under pain of losing your account with Earthlink. The
> ONLY way to fight spam is to go over the spammer's head, to kill their
> accounts.
> 
> --

Mine was not the original post, just the short line of agree-
ment.  I absolutely stand by that.  If I could blast the 
*#&!*'s right outta their freakin' chairs, I'd be sorely 
tempted.  And btw, I'm leaving E-Link soon, regardless.

<jf>

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               17-Oct-99 20:06:25
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 03:19:22
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Peter Moylan wrote:

>
> The author (that's me) spends a lot of time in the OS/2 newsgroups,
> and new versions of Weasel come out from time to time.
>

Then this might be as good a place for a small? request as any other.
I have tested  Weasel in my intranet, and it looks like it might be useful. It
seems to lack one feature I need, though. If it can be implemented in a filter 
or
add on, I could write it myself, but it does not look like that to me.

Apart from the local use, I would like to receive mail from several hosts run
by
different ISPs, or some other closed networks I might only have PPP access to. 
I
would like to do this based on, for instance, an event semaphore. For example,
such that it connected to mail.somesite with user nn and password xx from some
configuration file whenever /sem32/lookatsomesite was set from one of my
programs
and not otherwise. Then, I would redirect any mail from that server to a local
user id defined in the same configuration, or through a filter which even
might
want to post it to a local newsgroup on my news server.

I would also like to control the times when Weasel tries to send out bound
mail to
certain outside exchange points. I understand that you have only tried to
implement a normal fixed connection to the Internet, but I do not think I am
the
only one who needs to interconnect private and public sites in this way. It
would
take a similiar configuration to what was used in the old UUCP days to tell
which
domains can be reached through which hosts, but preferrably controlled by a
semaphore or some other type of flag instead  of by a time schedule.


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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            17-Oct-99 21:15:21
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 03:19:22
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <fIF9M9pMNugl-pn2-ThlELdJwjuUH@camb0620.capecod.net>, 
xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx says...
>On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:30:40, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:
>
>> >upgrade.  Exactly what it upgrades I'm not sure about...there didn't 
>> >seem to anything in the readme file to indicate new or improved 
>> >features [but then I was just home after working a nightshift, so my 
>> >consciousness was slightly altered...].
>> 
>> There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
>> the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)
>
>here's another improvement.  mark some text in the body of a message 
>and click the right mouse button.  you're now able to 'copy' it to the
>clipboard whereas in the past (and unlike the win9x version) that 
>wasn't possible.
>
>regards, ..
>

Hello, but I've got the Windows version and you can right-click and copy text. 

You get a popup menu and one of the options is 'Copy'.

In you cse, user error may the problem.

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From: Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com               18-Oct-99 02:13:04
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 03:19:22
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: "Jan Danielsson" <Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com>

>>here's another improvement.  mark some text in the body of a message 
>>and click the right mouse button.  you're now able to 'copy' it to the
>>clipboard whereas in the past (and unlike the win9x version) that 
>>wasn't possible.
>
>Hello, but I've got the Windows version and you can right-click and copy
text. 
>You get a popup menu and one of the options is 'Copy'.

Was that not what he said?


 /j



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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            18-Oct-99 12:17:08
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 10:22:24
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:38:13 GMT, no-one@nospam wrote:

>How are you viewing the messages ?    I do not use the preview pane
>window.   I have to click on the message to open it and when I do I
>get  a message requesting my passphrase before the message opens.  If
>the passphrase is correct, the message opens decrypted, if not correct
>the message opens with encrypted text displayed.

Hmm, doesn't matter. If I open the message nothing happens, I don't get any
message requesting a passphrase. Do you also use PGP 5.0?

cu

Adrian


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From: xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx                 18-Oct-99 08:39:21
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 11:10:16
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: mark davidson <xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx>

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:15:43 -0400, David H. McCoy
<forgitaboutit@fake.com> wrote:

>>here's another improvement.  mark some text in the body of a message 
>>and click the right mouse button.  you're now able to 'copy' it to the
>>clipboard whereas in the past (and unlike the win9x version) that 
>>wasn't possible.

>Hello, but I've got the Windows version and you can right-click and copy
text. 
>You get a popup menu and one of the options is 'Copy'.

>In you cse, user error may the problem.

you obviously didn't get the point.  let me try again with smaller
words.

using the os/2 version until 2.1 there wasn't any 'copy' option using
the right mouse button.  that was UNLIKE the win9x version where there
always was a 'copy' option using the right mouse button.  get it now? 


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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               18-Oct-99 13:47:05
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 11:10:16
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article <380A587F.A7C9416A@maui.net>,
	John Twelker <twelker@maui.net> writes:
> Aloha from Maui,
> 
> I hope somebody can help me on a really dumb problem I'm having.
> 
> I received what I call "spamscum" and I deleted it.  Now, every day, it
> reappears so I delete it again.
> 
> This has gone on for some time ... so I looked at Netscape Trash and there
> was every single copy of the spamscum I deleted. So I deleted them all. The
> next day, the same spamscum reappeared on the current Inbox and every single
> trashed copy also reappeared in the Trash.
> 
> The bottom line is, I can't permanently delete that particular spamscum from
> either my Inbox or Trash ... but I can delete any other email without
> problem.  What's going on? I've even uninstalled Netscape and reinstalled it
> ... didn't make any difference at all.
> 
> Needless to say, this is really starting to bug me!

Is it the exact same message?  Check the headers to find out -- look for
the message ID line, in particular.  If it's the exact same message,
right down to the ID, then chances are the problem is at your ISP;
they're not deleting the message correctly from their system.  It's also
possible there's a bug in Netscape.  If the message is different each
time, then it's being sent again and again.  Inform the administrator of
the system that's sending the message, and your ISP if necessary (I posted
a lengthy message saying how to track down the person to contact about
spam in this thread a few days ago).

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: news@fenrir.demon.co.uk                           17-Oct-99 20:01:12
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 11:10:17
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: "Brian Morrison" <news@fenrir.demon.co.uk>

On 16 Oct 1999 12:26:47 -0700, John M Price PhD wrote:

>Anyone tried the PGP interface?  It seems still broken, encrypting for the
>sender, but not the recipient.
>

That's not what I get here.

I just tried a quick test. I have two keys, the message was encrypted
to both of my own keys and also to the one key I have for the recipient
I specified. I checked this using pgp v -v and not entering any pass
phrases, just hitting return.

This was fixed in the beta released in June some time. I have
successfully sent mail to people using PGP. I must say that I asked for
additional work on the PGP interface, I want to be able to specify
things more carefully and choose which of my keys (if any) I use for
signing and encrypting to myself, not to mention what to do if I'm
sending mail to someone who has more than one key and I have more than
one of their keys on my key rings.

Hopefully BSW will take note of this sort of wish.



-- 
Brian Morrison                                       news@fenrir.demon.co.uk
               to reply, change address from 'news' to 'bdm'
 ...Grim faced, cold as fishwife's fingers, he snatched from the wall
 the sickle-sharp boar tusks he used for defacing Readers' Digest....


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From: twelker@maui.net                                  17-Oct-99 19:15:05
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 11:10:17
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: John Twelker <twelker@maui.net>

Aloha from Maui,

I hope somebody can help me on a really dumb problem I'm having.

I received what I call "spamscum" and I deleted it.  Now, every day, it
reappears so I delete it again.

This has gone on for some time ... so I looked at Netscape Trash and there
was every single copy of the spamscum I deleted. So I deleted them all. The
next day, the same spamscum reappeared on the current Inbox and every single
trashed copy also reappeared in the Trash.

The bottom line is, I can't permanently delete that particular spamscum from
either my Inbox or Trash ... but I can delete any other email without
problem.  What's going on? I've even uninstalled Netscape and reinstalled it
... didn't make any difference at all.

Needless to say, this is really starting to bug me!

--
John Twelker
Naish Sails Hawaii, Maui Sales Rep
RaceManPro Windsurfing Software, Co-Developer
http://www.ultranet.com/~lefebvre/RaceManPro/

Coming soon: "John Twelker's Windsurfing Webpage" on maui.net

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Still happily running OS/2 Warp 4.0 for the third year ... while we still
have a choice.


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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          18-Oct-99 14:25:08
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 14:36:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:40:56, xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark 
davidson) wrote:

:here's another improvement.  mark some text in the body of a message 
:and click the right mouse button.  you're now able to 'copy' it to the
:clipboard whereas in the past (and unlike the win9x version) that 
:wasn't possible.

 I hope you're joking. That 'copy' menu needs to be done away with, 
fast.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: !2020hindsight@usa.net                            18-Oct-99 12:41:25
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 16:32:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: !2020hindsight@usa.net (Bill Clark)

Annie K. wrote:

> :Where does one find 2.1?
  
>  Hobbes /incoming, http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming

Thanks!... Now that  I have it, I'm curious as to what the newest and 
greatest, that we have been anxiously holding our breath for, amounts 
to...

TIA 

-bc-
 
User Friendly Software:
  That which makes friends among those trying to use it
	

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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           18-Oct-99 16:34:13
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 16:32:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

Steve Snyder (swsnyder@home.com) wrote:

: Do I just installed the new version over my existing PMMail v2.0 
: installation?

I downloaded the file, ran it, specified my PMMail directory and it's 
working just fine. No need to enter my unlocking code, either.

Ian

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 18-Oct-99 16:02:10
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 16:32:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson) wrote:

>PMMAIL v2.10 still pegs cpu at 100% until PMMAIL 

Aha, yes, I spoke too soon actually.  Speaking of 100% CPU...I don't
have the same problem as you do, but it irks me that Pmmail (and a
coupla other programs) block other processes whilst they start.
Netscape pretty much does this as well - looks like its a problem that
here to stay :(

Craig

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 18-Oct-99 16:02:11
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 16:32:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

Nick Knight <nick@secant.com> wrote:

>>There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
>>the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)
>
>That's a relief!  At first I though this might be just some marketing ploy
>to try to convince people there is life in the product simply by upping a
>version number a full point.
>
>Now, it's completely obvious to me that this was a full maintenance
>release :)

hehehe.  Its a small thing to most I suppose, but this little problem
really bugged the hell outa me


>Perhaps I'm being too stingy with my release versions increments? <grin>

heh :)  Why not do what all the 'big guns' now do...which is to say,
just release major revisions, like go from V3 to V4 and V4 to V5 (or
the currently popular V2000) :)))

Craig


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From: xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx                 18-Oct-99 13:40:21
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 16:32:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: mark davidson <xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx>

On 18 Oct 1999 14:25:16 GMT, piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)
wrote:

>:here's another improvement.  mark some text in the body of a message 
>:and click the right mouse button.  you're now able to 'copy' it to the
>:clipboard whereas in the past (and unlike the win9x version) that 
>:wasn't possible.

> I hope you're joking. That 'copy' menu needs to be done away with, 
>fast.

to each their own but i'm curious.  why is it that you think it needs
to be done away with? 

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                18-Oct-99 10:42:18
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 16:32:02
Subj: Re: PMMail2.1 & PGP

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

In comp.os.os2.mail-news article <380a250d.128579@news.demon.co.uk>
no-one@nospam wrote:
: On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:31:47 +0200 (CDT), "Adrian Gschwend"
: <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> wrote:

:>Almost nothing happens on my machine. If I get a PGP encrypted message, I
:>just see garbage. If I save the message and uncrypt it by hand it works. If
a
:>message is signed I just get "Could not verify PGP key". And I don't know
how
:>to encrypt a message with PGP because nothing happens. I use PGP 5.0

: How are you viewing the messages ?    I do not use the preview pane
: window.   I have to click on the message to open it and when I do I
: get  a message requesting my passphrase before the message opens.  If
: the passphrase is correct, the message opens decrypted, if not correct
: the message opens with encrypted text displayed.

I added version 5, Geiger's compile, and it flat does not work.  I have
tried opening a message, and it has hung the entire machine on the
passphrase window.  (Previously, it was simply blank - manual gavce me a
'need newer version error.)  If I go to the folder where the message is,
and run PGP from the command line, it works fine.  I've not tried
encryption.

Does PMMail know about the version 5 'multiple binaries' issue?

Very frustrating.  This was one of the selling points for me - saving
bouncing back and forth from command line, text import, etc.

-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

"As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the
Internet deserves the highest protection from government intrusion."
    - U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania
    Dolores K. Sloviter, chief judge, U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals
    U.S. District Judge Ronald L. Buckwalter &
    U.S. District Judge Stewart Dalzell, presiding

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          18-Oct-99 20:56:27
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 22:36:23
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:41:50, !2020hindsight@usa.net (Bill Clark) 
wrote:

:> :Where does one find 2.1?
:  
:>  Hobbes /incoming, http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming
: 
:Thanks!... Now that  I have it, I'm curious as to what the newest and 
:greatest, that we have been anxiously holding our breath for, amounts 
:to...

 I don't see anything different in 2.1 compared to 2.0. Some say the 
printing bug (big squares among printed text) has been fixed, but I 
haven't tried it yet.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          18-Oct-99 20:55:06
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 22:36:23
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:40:42, mark davidson 
<xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx> wrote:

:>:here's another improvement.  mark some text in the body of a message 
:>:and click the right mouse button.  you're now able to 'copy' it to the
:>:clipboard whereas in the past (and unlike the win9x version) that 
:>:wasn't possible.
: 
:> I hope you're joking. That 'copy' menu needs to be done away with, 
:>fast.
: 
:to each their own but i'm curious.  why is it that you think it needs
:to be done away with? 

 It's redundant. How many ways do you need to copy to the clipboard? 
There's a copy function under the edit menu, I usually hit Ctrl-Ins, 
but if I'm mousing I swipe, hold the LMB down, and tap the RMB. Plus, 
the damn thing's taken the place of 'Explore URL.' I think someone 
who's never used OS/2 stuck that 'copy' in there.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: JDS@nospam-syntel.com                             18-Oct-99 14:25:26
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 22:36:23
Subj: Re: How to export email from PMMail

From: Jonathan Seder <JDS@nospam-syntel.com>

This Rexx program and associated filter file extracts PMMail messages in
a nice format:


/* trace intermediate */
/* Extract messages from PMMail */
/* Jonathan Seder 1998-9  e-mail: jseder at syntel dot com */
/* You can use this non-commercial applications */

/* Run this from the directory which contains the messages you want to
dump */
/* They will get printed to stdout in a nice format */

trace normal
i = 0
mimefile = 'c:\user\mime.lst'
do forever
   if lines(mimefile)=0 then leave
   i = i + 1
   mime.i = linein(mimefile)
   end
mime.0 = i
infile = 'FOLDER.BAG'
do forever
   if lines(infile)=0 then leave
   b = linein(infile)
   /* The separator char below is 0xDE or decimal 222*/
   parse var b ,
          m_c1          ,
      'Þ' m_c2          ,
      'Þ' m_date        ,
      'Þ' m_time        ,
      'Þ' m_subj        ,
      'Þ' m_tos         ,
      'Þ' m_tonames     ,
      'Þ' m_fromnames   ,
      'Þ' m_from        ,
      'Þ' m_size        ,
      'Þ' m_fn          ,
      'Þ' m_x
/* status = word("Unread Read Replied Sent",m_c1+1) */
   say ''
   say
'-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-'
   say ''
   do forever
      if lines(m_fn)=0 then do
         s = stream(m_fn,'c','close')
         leave
         end
      i = IsNotMime(0)
      end
   end
return

IsNotMime: procedure expose mime. m_fn
m = linein(m_fn)
do i=1 to mime.0
/* say 'pos('m','mime.i')='pos(mime.i,m) */
   if pos(translate(mime.i),translate(m))<>0 then return 0
   end
say m
return 0

/* end of cmd file */

/* Here is my mime.lst */

Post.Office
 for <userid@
 SMTP Relay
 with esmtp
 with SMTP id
 with SMTP;
 id <
boundary="--------
charset:
charset=
Content-Description:
Content-Disposition:
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
content-type:
envelope-from
Errors-To:
in-reply-to:
message-id:
mime-version:
Organization:
Priority:
received:
references:
reply-to:
return-path:
tatus:
X-Accept-Language:
X-Eci-Info:
X-Lotus-FromDomain:
x-mailer:
X-MimeOLE:
X-Mozilla-Status2:
X-Originating-IP:
x-sender:
X-Server-Uuid:
x-status:
X-UIDL:
X-Gateway:
X-WSS-ID:

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From: scalisi@tin.it                                    16-Oct-99 15:33:05
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 22:36:23
Subj: Re: sendmail command line options

From: scalisi@tin.it

This is a MIME encapsulated message.

--===_38087EE2_==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In <380240c4.0@katana.legend.co.uk>, on 10/11/99
   at 07:55 PM, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak) said:

>I know it possible to send an email from the command line using IBM's
>sendmail, but I've forgotten the syntax, and am a long way from my manuals.

>Can someone remind me, please?

I attach an EPM macro to sendmail from EPM window.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Antonio(Nino) Scalisi           scalisi@tin.it
at 15:33(+0200, relative to GMT) on Saturday, 16 Oct 1999
Using MR/2 ICE v1.66  Reg: #20729.
Under ---> OS/2 WARP 4 rev.9.036 (fixpack 12)
Java ver.  1.1.8  build 19990910
ObjREXX 6.00   TCPIP 4.2 - MPTN 6.2007 (TCPIP 4.1 + W08620)
-----------------------------------------------------------
--===_38087EE2_==
Content-Type: text/plain; name="SENDMAIL.E"

/*  Ultima modifica fatta -->  MercoledÉ 22 Settembre 1999, alle 20:09. */
/*
Here's an EPM macro that invokes Sendmail to send the current file to the
addressee(s) given as an argument (or prompted for, if no argument is
provided - e.g., when used in the EPM 6 toolbar).

Set the my_EMAIL_ADDRESS constant appropriately, here or in your MYCNF.E.
Larry Margolis

Change the SIGNATURE to reflect your data.          a.s. 16 Jan 1999
*/

compile if not defined(SMALL)  -- If SMALL not defined, then being separately
compiled.
 define INCLUDING_FILE = 'SENDMAIL.E'
const
   tryinclude 'MYCNF.E'        -- Get the user's configuration customizations.

   include "english.e"

defmain
   'mail' arg(1)
compile endif

compile if not defined(my_EMAIL_ADDRESS)
   const
      my_EMAIL_ADDRESS = 'myuserid@local.com'
compile endif

defc Mail =
   universal vTEMP_FILENAME
   mail_to = arg(1)
   subject = entrybox("Enter subject of e-mail")
   if mail_to = '' then
       mail_to = entrybox("Enter list of addressees")
      if mail_to = '' then
         return
      endif
   endif
   parse value igetdate() with today';' .
   top
   insertline 'Subject: 'subject'   (sent by EPM 60b) '
   insertline ' ' 
   bottom
   insertline ' ', .last+1
   insertline '--', .last+1
   insertline '-----------------------------------------------------------',
.last+1
   insertline ' Antonio(Nino) Scalisi        'my_EMAIL_ADDRESS, .last+1
   insertline ' Using "mail" CMD of EPM 603b on 'today '', .last+1
   insertline ' Using.... --> OS/2 WARP 4 rev.9.035 (fixpack 11)            ', 
.last+1
   insertline ' Java ver.  1.1.8  build 19990910                           ',
.last+1
   insertline ' ObjREXX 6.00   TCPIP 4.2 - MPTN 6.1002 (TCPIP 4.1 + W08620)',
.last+1
   insertline '-----------------------------------------------------------',
.last+1

   if .modify then
      'xcom save /q' vTEMP_FILENAME
      if rc then
         sayerror ERROR_SAVING_HALT__MSG
         return
      endif
      'sendmail -af' vTEMP_FILENAME '-f' my_EMAIL_ADDRESS mail_to
      sayerror 'Msg Sent by SENDMAIL to:-->'mail_to
       messagenwait('Msg Sent by SENDMAIL to:-->'mail_to)
      sayerror 'file= 'vTEMP_FILENAME
      call erasetemp(vTEMP_FILENAME)
   else
      'sendmail -af' .filename '-f' my_EMAIL_ADDRESS mail_to
       sayerror 'Msg sent by SENDMAIL to:-->'mail_to
       messagenwait('Msg sent by SENDMAIL to:-->'mail_to)
   endif
;
--===_38087EE2_==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit



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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           18-Oct-99 21:57:29
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 03:31:01
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

Mooo (zayne@omen.com.au) wrote:

: There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
: the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)

I've been printing to a LJ1100 from PMMAil v2.0 for ages without ever seeing
these blobs.

Southsoft Technical people told me that this release would solve the "timed
fetch" bug - sometimes (*) PMMail would start demanding 100% CPU resources
in a timed fetch, resist all attempts to kill it, and require a reboot. I
have nervously reinstated timed fetching in v2.10 ... no problems so far.

Ian

* - "sometimes", in my opinion meaning "in second or subsequent connections
to the net". 

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From: gordon.nospam@gadsnet.com                         19-Oct-99 00:10:20
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 03:31:01
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: "Gordon A. Stripling" <gordon.nospam@gadsnet.com>

On 18 Oct 1999 20:55:13 GMT, Annie K. wrote:

>Plus, 
>the damn thing's taken the place of 'Explore URL.' I think someone 
>who's never used OS/2 stuck that 'copy' in there.

Not completely.  I just swiped a (or is it an) URL and it still had "Explore
URL", but it was ABOVE the "copy".  Also, it seems somewhat "smart" in that
if it isn't a URL, you don't get the "Explore URL" option, only copy.  The
URL I tried was complete with "http://", so I don't know if it works with
just the address portion.  

Thinking back, it would put "none" in the "Explore URL" list if the URL
wasn't complete, didn't it?


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From: frank.vgnNOSPAM@inter.nl.net                      18-Oct-99 22:56:24
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 03:31:01
Subj: Anybody got Postroad DLL: SGPOSTRD.DLL ?

From: frank.vgnNOSPAM@inter.nl.net

Innoval is giving away their Postroad mailer and JStreet mailer since 
they quit OS/2 support.

Anybody got SGPOSTRD.DLL ?

It is needed in order to use the SpellGuard spell checker, I suspect it was on 

Innoval's site, but they removed all Postroad stuff.

The Postroad product itself is available for free (including key) 
from: http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval

Greetings,
           Frank.

Fidonet:  Frank van Groen 2:500/143.10
Internet: frank.vgnNOSPAM@inter.nl.net

Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly her/his own.
To reply, remove the word NOSPAM from my address.


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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             19-Oct-99 13:02:04
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 10:32:23
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:07:40, "frank schmittroth" <franks@owt.com> wrote:

> On 18 Oct 1999 20:55:13 GMT, Annie K. wrote:
> 
> > It's redundant. How many ways do you need to copy to the clipboard? 
> >There's a copy function under the edit menu, I usually hit Ctrl-Ins, 
> >but if I'm mousing I swipe, hold the LMB down, and tap the RMB. Plus, 
> >the damn thing's taken the place of 'Explore URL.' 
> 
> I use 'Explore URL' all the time.  Is that really gone?
> Frank. 

No, which menu you get depends upon what you highlight.
Much better.

-- 
Dave

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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             19-Oct-99 13:01:23
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 10:32:23
Subj: Re: PMMail, Attachments, and application calling

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:35:22, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:

> I have the same problem.  Have yet to be able to work it out :(  My
> associations are correct, because if I drag the attachment to the
> desktop, then double click on it, it opens with the application I
> want.
> 
> sigh..
> Craig
> 

I had a similar problem here a few days ago.
It seems that PMMail/2 V2.0 has a very short buffer that it uses to pass
the commands to the helper program, probably 64 bytes.
If the combined length of the 'Program to Execute' + 'Arguments' is too
long the WinOS/2 program just sees rubbish after the 64th? character.

The file that I was trying to read was:-
  'g:\mailnews\pmmail\pmmail\temp\filename.doc'
and the helper was:-
  'c:\winapps\wordview\wordview.exe'

To get round the problem I had to move both the pmmail directory to the
root of its partition and also the helper program to the root of its
partition.
This reduced the complete string to 59 characters and then it worked.

I haven't checked to see if it is the same in v2.1, but if it is, then that is
something to be fixed in v2.2.

Another thing to watch out for is that if the helper is a Windows program
then the path and filename must conform to the 8.3 convention.

HTH
-- 
Dave

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From: melaniemNOSPAM@tNOSPAMtartarus.u...               19-Oct-99 21:05:17
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 12:51:28
Subj: email tracking problem

Message sender: melaniemNOSPAM@tNOSPAMtartarus.uwa.edu.au

From: "Melanie Mathewson" <melaniemNOSPAM@tNOSPAMtartarus.uwa.edu.au>

I'm trying to set my email gadget so that I can request a read receipt
everytime I send someone an email. (I am always keen to know whether someone
has not yet read my messages, or whether they are just too darn slack to
reply).

I've got outlook2000 and when I do a 'new message' I select options,
tracking options, and the 'request a read receipt for this message' box is
always already checked.  But I have only ever received one 'read receipt'.

Does this mean that my recipients have switched off the thing that sends me
a receipt?  Or am I doing something wrong?
thanks,
Melanie
*** Remove the NOSPAMs to e-mail me ***



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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           19-Oct-99 13:48:02
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 12:51:28
Subj: Re: email tracking problem

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:05:35, "Melanie Mathewson" 
<melaniemNOSPAM@tNOSPAMtartarus.uwa.edu.au> wrote:

> I'm trying to set my email gadget so that I can request a read receipt
> everytime I send someone an email. (I am always keen to know whether someone
> has not yet read my messages, or whether they are just too darn slack to
> reply).
> 
> I've got outlook2000 and when I do a 'new message' I select options,
> tracking options, and the 'request a read receipt for this message' box is
> always already checked.  But I have only ever received one 'read receipt'.
> 
> Does this mean that my recipients have switched off the thing that sends me
> a receipt?  Or am I doing something wrong?
> thanks,
> Melanie

If you are running Outlook 2000 on a Windows operating system
you have selected the wrong newsgroup. This newsgroup
comp.os.os2.mail-news is dedicated to IBM OS/2 news and
mail.

You should cut down on the number of groups you cross post
to and limit them to those that apply to your post.

The ISP at the other end may be suppressing the sending
of "read receipts" or the client that is used may not do it.

Lorne Sunley

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     19-Oct-99 16:51:27
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 16:46:05
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:10:41, "Gordon A. Stripling" 
<gordon.nospam@gadsnet.com> wrote:

>  The
> URL I tried was complete with "http://", so I don't know if it works with
> just the address portion. 

Yes, it works with just www.xxx.com (this is not a real address, of 
course). I suspect that it may have a problem with something that 
doesn't start with "www" (and there are getting to be more of these 
out there).
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: nitebird@voicenet.com                             19-Oct-99 03:28:25
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 16:46:05
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: nitebird@voicenet.com (Barry Mann)

In <yxFO3.328$Vx6.111806@typhoon1.gnilink.net>, on 10/18/99 
   at 01:47 PM, rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)
said:

>:[Posted and mailed]

>:In article <380A587F.A7C9416A@maui.net>,
>:	John Twelker <twelker@maui.net> writes:
>:> Aloha from Maui,
>:> 
>:> I hope somebody can help me on a really dumb problem I'm having.
>:> 
>:> I received what I call "spamscum" and I deleted it.  Now, every day, it
>:> reappears so I delete it again.
>:> 
>:> This has gone on for some time ... so I looked at Netscape Trash and there
>:> was every single copy of the spamscum I deleted. So I deleted them all.
The
>:> next day, the same spamscum reappeared on the current Inbox and every
single
>:> trashed copy also reappeared in the Trash.
>:> 
>:> The bottom line is, I can't permanently delete that particular spamscum
from
>:> either my Inbox or Trash ... but I can delete any other email without
>:> problem.  What's going on? I've even uninstalled Netscape and reinstalled
it
>:> ... didn't make any difference at all.
>:> 
>:> Needless to say, this is really starting to bug me!

>:Is it the exact same message?  Check the headers to find out -- look
>:for the message ID line, in particular.  If it's the exact same
>:message, right down to the ID, then chances are the problem is at your
>:ISP; they're not deleting the message correctly from their system. 
>:It's also possible there's a bug in Netscape.  If the message is
>:different each time, then it's being sent again and again.  Inform the
>:administrator of the system that's sending the message, and your ISP
>:if necessary (I posted a lengthy message saying how to track down the
>:person to contact about spam in this thread a few days ago).

Every so often I'll get a message that will cause trouble. There is a
stray character somewhere that bugs my mail client and the message is
not completely read because the mail client stalls on the bad character.
Next time messages are fetched we repeat the above. I can also imagine
that a bad character in the message file name will cause trouble.

My technique in this situation is to use an FTP client to access the
file directly on the server and manually delete the file.

You'll have to dig around a bit on the server to find your mail
directory. If you know the message file name on the server, just delete
the file. If you don't know the file name, work from the message date
and look for a file with a stale date in that range. The dates may not
line up very well because the message could have crossed the
international date line, a time zone, been held somewhere, or passed
through a machine that was using an incorrect date. You can also
download a file (via FTP) and verify that the text matches your "scum".
Look before you leap, it would be embarrassing to delete your
configuration file.

If you want to download the message and dissect it, use the FTP binary
protocol.

-----------------------------------------------------------
nitebird@voicenet.com (Barry Mann)
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From: stephen-d@home.com                                19-Oct-99 19:42:21
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 16:46:05
Subj: Installing PMMail 2.1 on a 1.x System

From: stephen-d@home.com (Stephen)

I decided to check out 2.1 since I am throwing in the towel over the 
increased use of html in emails. Other than support for html I am happy with
1.96.

So I get 2.1 and proceed to install in a new directory. Better safe than 
sorry.

I am almost certain I will do the upgrade thing, but I wanted to check 
first.

I try to migrate. Well, I have 5 accounts set up in 1.96. Seems the 
unregistered version only supports one account. The one it migrated is 
called '@'.

Also the path I specify for the migration is not clear. Is it 
x:\southsde\pmmail or x:\southsde\tools or x:\southsde\pmmail\[acctx]? Or 
each in a series?

I am not all that confident that the migration works. Also, I have a large 
archive of emails that I would like to migrate.

Anyone have some experience in what I am trying to do to provide me with 
some confidence?

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From: bhk@dsl.co.uk                                     19-Oct-99 19:03:12
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 19:57:22
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})

On Tuesday, in article
     <380c23f5$1$avgroveq$mr2ice@netnews.voicenet.com>
     nitebird@voicenet.com "Barry Mann" wrote:

> Every so often I'll get a message that will cause trouble. There is a
> stray character somewhere that bugs my mail client and the message is
> not completely read because the mail client stalls on the bad character.
> Next time messages are fetched we repeat the above. I can also imagine
> that a bad character in the message file name will cause trouble.
> 
> My technique in this situation is to use an FTP client to access the
> file directly on the server and manually delete the file.

FTP?!?!?!  <Gulp>

Why use that (when in some cases at least, the ftpd will not have the
requisite permissions to even see, let alone change, the mail spool)?

Instead, I would advocate using telnet to connect to the POP3 server on
its standard port (ie 110), and then issue manual commands to locate the
offending message and delete it.  The LIST command might well be enough
to identify the offender, or failing that use TOP n 0 to read the headers
of each message n until the buggy one is located.  Thene just DELE n and
QUIT.

Piece of cake.

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                         bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "But we're a university.  We /have/ to have a library!..."said Ridcully,
         "What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the library?"
    "Students", said the Senior Wrangler, morosely. [TP: The Last Continent]

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            18-Oct-99 20:32:16
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:35:28
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: David H. McCoy <forgitaboutit@fake.com>

In article <HwoLOCMdTH0RwcVwhBdjBKmL9pGp@4ax.com>, 
xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx says...
>On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:15:43 -0400, David H. McCoy
><forgitaboutit@fake.com> wrote:
>
>>>here's another improvement.  mark some text in the body of a message 
>>>and click the right mouse button.  you're now able to 'copy' it to the
>>>clipboard whereas in the past (and unlike the win9x version) that 
>>>wasn't possible.
>
>>Hello, but I've got the Windows version and you can right-click and copy
text. 
>>You get a popup menu and one of the options is 'Copy'.
>
>>In you cse, user error may the problem.
>
>you obviously didn't get the point.  let me try again with smaller
>words.
>
>using the os/2 version until 2.1 there wasn't any 'copy' option using
>the right mouse button.  that was UNLIKE the win9x version where there
>always was a 'copy' option using the right mouse button.  get it now? 
>
>
>

My bad, fellow. While you are using smaller words, why not work on your 
capitalization?

Get it now?
^

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
---------------------------------------

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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    19-Oct-99 00:01:17
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:35:28
Subj: Re: PMMail, Attachments, and application calling

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

Mooo <zayne@omen.com.au> wrote:
>I have the same problem.  Have yet to be able to work it out :(  My
>associations are correct, because if I drag the attachment to the
>desktop, then double click on it, it opens with the application I
>want.
>
>John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:
>
>>I have a strange problem with attachments.  Some work, others don't, and
>>I can't see why.  For instance,  I have one with a .txt extension,
>>properly opened by E.EXE, as noted in the settings.  However, I can't
>>open the attachment, and I get a WinOS2 error message (!) about invalid
>>path.

Check your PMMail MIME associations for the category "spreadsheet files".
Change the "application/octet-stream" to "application/excel", or
something similar.

If this doesn't work, do a "view full message" to find out what MIME
type is given for the .txt file, and then look through your MIME type
settings in PMMail to discover which category is hijacking that 
particular type.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: franks@owt.com                                    18-Oct-99 17:07:20
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:35:28
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: "frank schmittroth" <franks@owt.com>

On 18 Oct 1999 20:55:13 GMT, Annie K. wrote:

> It's redundant. How many ways do you need to copy to the clipboard? 
>There's a copy function under the edit menu, I usually hit Ctrl-Ins, 
>but if I'm mousing I swipe, hold the LMB down, and tap the RMB. Plus, 
>the damn thing's taken the place of 'Explore URL.' 

I use 'Explore URL' all the time.  Is that really gone?
Frank.


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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    19-Oct-99 01:01:26
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:35:29
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

Michael K Greene <mgreene@exis.net> wrote:

>Can I use Weasel to have a 486 sever collect all my various pop3 mails (I
>have my personal email and use 2 free accounts for maillists), sort to
>folders, and then have them all served to me (main computer) via IMAP? Just
>playing around.

The first half is easy.  The Weasel distribution includes a POPGET.CMD
that can fetch mail from somewhere else and sort it to local folders.
(It's a relatively simple Rexx script, so it isn't hard to modify to
do variations on this theme.)

IMAP is a different story.  The IMAP protocol is so different from the
POP3 protocol that it would be a major new project to handle it.  From
time to time I've considered writing an IMAP server, but it's such a
big job that it certainly won't be done this year.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    19-Oct-99 01:42:02
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:35:29
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

Bj›rn Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> wrote:
>Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>
>> The author (that's me) spends a lot of time in the OS/2 newsgroups,
>> and new versions of Weasel come out from time to time.
>>
>
>Then this might be as good a place for a small? request as any other.
>I have tested  Weasel in my intranet, and it looks like it might be useful.
It
>seems to lack one feature I need, though. If it can be implemented in a
filter or
>add on, I could write it myself, but it does not look like that to me.
>
>Apart from the local use, I would like to receive mail from several hosts run 
by
>different ISPs, or some other closed networks I might only have PPP access
to. I
>would like to do this based on, for instance, an event semaphore. For
example,
>such that it connected to mail.somesite with user nn and password xx from
some
>configuration file whenever /sem32/lookatsomesite was set from one of my
programs
>and not otherwise. Then, I would redirect any mail from that server to a
local
>user id defined in the same configuration, or through a filter which even
might
>want to post it to a local newsgroup on my news server.

If I've correctly understood what you're saying, this can be done by a
separate command file that's executed when you connect to the host,
and then does a POP fetch and stores the mail locally (or processes it
in whatever way you need).  In another posting in this thread I mentioned
a POPGET.CMD that's included with Weasel.  Take a look at it, it might
be what you need.  It sounds as if you're an experienced enough
programmer to customize this to your own needs. 

>I would also like to control the times when Weasel tries to send out bound
mail to
>certain outside exchange points.

Other people have asked for this, so the latest version looks for a file
called "Online" before sending outbound mail - you can create and
destroy this file as needed.  (It could be done with semaphores, but
not everyone understands semaphores.  Doing it based on the presence
of a file means that people can easily move the file as part of their
dialler script.)

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          19-Oct-99 03:15:15
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:36:01
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:07:40, "frank schmittroth" <franks@owt.com> 
wrote:

:Plus, 
:>the damn thing's taken the place of 'Explore URL.' 
: 
:I use 'Explore URL' all the time.  Is that really gone?

 No, but you have to do a bit of extra mousing to get to it.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          19-Oct-99 03:24:23
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 23:36:01
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:10:41, "Gordon A. Stripling" 
<gordon.nospam@gadsnet.com> wrote:

:>the damn thing's taken the place of 'Explore URL.' I think someone 
:>who's never used OS/2 stuck that 'copy' in there.
: 
:Not completely.  I just swiped a (or is it an) URL and it still had "Explore
:URL", but it was ABOVE the "copy". 

 Yes. I guess I'm just cranky that 'Explore URL' isn't the default 
action.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: auofaq@locutus.ofB.ORG                            15-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 03:24:07
Subj: FAQ: pointer to alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQs

From: auofaq@locutus.ofB.ORG (a.u.o FAQ)

Archive-name: offline-reader/usenet/pointer
Alt-usenet-offline-reader-archive-name: pointer
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
Intro-Last-modified: 1998-Nov-21
Software-Last-modified: 1999-Jul-13

[
  Please note that this message has a Followup-To: alt.usenet.offline-reader
  which directs all followups to that one group only.  If you see a response
  directly to this post which spams all the groups on the list, that user is
  either extremely rude or using very broken software.  In either case, they
  might benefit from you mailing them, and asking them to correct it.

  Also note that there are no opinions in this pointer -- it merely contains
  unrefutable facts about the *.answers newsgroups.
]

Alt.Usenet.Offline-Reader is about reading mail and news available to
your normal login account, but while you're not actually logged in.

The alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQ lists can be obtained via all
news.answers access methods:

quoting the news.answers FAQ:

``
		    Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
/pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name".
Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may
not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name.

  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
by mail server as well.  Send an E-mail message to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on
separate lines for more information.
''

The FAQ lists for alt.usenet.offline-reader can be found on the Internet:
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.usenet.offline-reader/intro>
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.usenet.offline-reader/software>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/off-line-readers/usenet/intro/>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/off-line-readers/usenet/software/>

Note that, despite the name including `usenet' and not `mail', discussion of
mail as well as news is welcomed (and common) in alt.usenet.offline-reader.

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From: commafaq@locutus.ofB.ORG                          17-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 03:24:07
Subj: FAQ: News and Mail: pointer to comp.os.msdos.mail-news FAQs

From: commafaq@locutus.ofB.ORG

Archive-name: msdos-mail-news/pointer
Comp-os-msdos-mail-news-archive-name: pointer
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
Intro-Last-modified: 1998-Sep-27
Software-Last-modified: 1999-Jul-13

Comp.Os.Msdos.MAil-news == c.o.m.ma == comma
FAQ == Frequently Asked Questions

comma is about uucp, mail, and news for msdos or ms-windows or os2.

The comp.os.msdos.mail-news FAQ lists can be obtained via all
news.answers access methods:

quoting the news.answers FAQ:

``
		    Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
/pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name".
Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may
not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name.

  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
by mail server as well.  Send an E-mail message to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on
separate lines for more information.
''

The FAQ lists for comp.os.msdos.mail-news can be found on the Internet:
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.msdos.mail-news/intro>
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.msdos.mail-news/software>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-mail-news/intro/>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-mail-news/software/>

Note that the charter of comp.os.msdos.mail-news _explicitly_ covers
mail, news, and uucp under msdos and compatibles, and used to cover
ms-windows and os2 until they got their own groups (although uucp
under ms-windows didn't, so it can stay).  the FAQs still list
information for os2 users and ms-windows users.

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From: Johannes.Hromadka@siemens.at                      20-Oct-99 10:47:01
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 10:29:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: Johannes Hromadka <Johannes.Hromadka@siemens.at>

Doug Darrow wrote:
 
> The press releases I've seen didn't say anything about _development_
> being taken over; just publishing and support. I think BoB and Icon are

See: http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000001.html


	Hannes

These are the major changes in the Blueprint Software Works 2.1 version.

                   OS/2 Version
                   ------------
                   -Fixed a spelling error on a menu
                   -Fixed LDAP support to allow a search root

                   -Fixed a HUGE bug in vCard support that wouldn't QP
encode stuff properly

                   -Fixed a bug in PMMSend with respect to KOI8-R MIME
headers
                   -Fixed a bug in PMMSend with respect to encoding
outgoing messages
                   -Fixed a hotkey error on the popup folder menu
                   -Fixed a crash when printing messages with *really*
long lines

                   -Added a filter option "Save All Attachments"...You
select this and
                   specify a directory and all attachments will be saved
there.

                   -Fixed some problems with decoding wierd header lines
                   -Fixed a bug that would cause a message to have an
incorrect body

                   -Changed the behavior of opening a body in the
outbox...when doing
                   this, PMMail now defaults the message to NO
SIG...this removes the
                   double sig problem

                   -Fixed a bug where the preview pane would not
properly report an
                   error when a file was not found

                   -Fixed a bug with parsing the TZ environment
variable, this also
                   fixed correct determination of DST for southern
hemisphere countries

                   -Fixed a bug that caused high prio messages to never
be marked as
                   read when using the preview pane's "mark as read"
option

                   -Added some RMB cut, copy, and paste options

                   -Fixed a bug with searching...sometimes the "search
subfolder" option
                   didn't work

                   -Fixed a bug where moving addresses from one book to
another would
                   result in an incorrect error

                   -Fixed a spelling error on the printed output
                   -Added the option to use the spacebar to page through
messages
                   -Added a "/min" command line option to start PMMail/2
minimized
                   -Added a canned association for vcf files to vCards

                   -Modified the "Print Message" filter action. It still
defaults to
                   your default printer, but you can now select another
printer if you
                   wish

                   -Fixed a bug that would add a ficticious attachment
in certain
                   multipart/alternative messages

                   -Fixed a bug where PGP statuses were not cleared when
                   using up/down in the read window

                   -Fixed a bug where messages would be double-sent from
filters


                   Windows Version
                   ---------------

                   -Fixed a spelling error on a menu
                   -Fixed a HUGE bug in vCard support that wouldn't QP
encode stuff properly
                   -Fixed a hotkey error on the popup folder menu
                   -Fixed a crash when printing messages with *really*
long lines
                   -Fixed some problems with decoding wierd header lines
                   -Fixed a bug that would cause a message to have an
incorrect body

                   -Changed the behavior of opening a body in the
outbox...when doing
                   this, PMMail now defaults the message to NO
SIG...this removes the
                   double sig problem

                   -Fixed a bug where the preview pane would not
properly report an
                   error when a file was not found

                   -Fixed a bug with searching...sometimes the "search
subfolder" option
                   didn't work

                   -Fixed a spelling error on the printed output
                   -Added a canned association for vcf files to vCards

                   -Fixed a bug that would add a ficticious attachment
in certain
                   multipart/alternative messages

                   -Fixed (FINALLY) the bug where PGP statuses were not
cleared when
                   using up/down in the read window

                   -Fixed (FINALLY) the bug where messages would be
double-sent from
                   incoming filters

                   -Fixed a crash when adding a person to a group
                   -Allow the user to turn off automatic addressing
(PMMail->Properties)
                   -Fixed the crash if Quick Interrogation was turned
off
                   -We now strip "mailto:" off of embedded e-mail
addresses
                   -The From and Date fields in a read window will now
scroll
                   -Fixed window positioning when PMMail was started
minimized

                   -Added the option to pass '%s' for the filename in a
filter
                   hook. This allows other arguments to be passed.

                   -Fixed the problem with appending multiple messages
to a file

                   -Fixed a problem where the "quick path" for
attachment saving
                   would be corrupted and loose its trailing '\'

                   -Bouncing a message no longer re-sends to the BCC
list
                   -Fixed the crash when saving large complex filters

                   -The "In-Reply-To" header is now inserted so that
mailers
                   that can thread, will

                   -Fixed a missing hotkey for "New Message" in the read
window
                   -Fixed a crash when using the filter builder

                   * Information about attachments is cached. This
should make opening
                   messages *much* fater.

                   * Canned replies now have variables. Examples are
$h.to$ for the to
                   field of the message you are replying to,
$current.date$ for the 
                   current date, etc.

                   * A full list of all the variables is in the online
help.
                   This makes Canned Replies quite powerful, and they
can be used as
                   templates.

                   * You can now fully customize the way your printed
e-mail looks. To set
                   this up Go to PMMail->Settings->Print Setup. It
should be explained
                   in the help from there. This is a good way to get
used to the new
                   variable structure being introduced in Canned Replies
and Filters, as
                   they are roughly the same as the ones used there.
This quite powerful.
                   We were able to incorporate almost all of the
suggestions we got into
                   this one interface. There is a way to set up
virtually every way
                   people wanted to see their printed e-mail.

                   * You can now print out your address book. There are
two styles,
                   spreadsheet style, and a "verbose" style which prints
all the info
                   for each person, one per page. you can select the
verbose option
                   at print time.

                   * There is now a Find Tool for the address book that
is just like the
                   Find Tool for the e-mail messages.

                   * You can Export the contents of your address books
to a Comma
                   Separated File. The file format is defined in the
online help.

                   * You can also Import the same format of file into
your Address Book.

                   - LDAP support! You can use this stuff from the
"Tools" menu in the
                   address book manager.

                   - Added a filter option "Save All Attachments"...You
select this and
                   specify a directory and all attachments will be saved
there.

                   - Modified the "Print Message" filter action. It
still defaults to
                   your default printer, but you can now select another
printer if you
                   wish

                   - There are all new dictionaries in the product.
these should finally
                   include most of the common contractions and they
should be found
                   properly. As well, we have more then doubled the
number of wordsin the
                   dictionary to over 125,000. So, hopefully you will
get much more
                   meaningful suggestions.

                   * There is now a Fetch All option under the PMMail
menu. This 
                   cycles through all of your account and performs a
fetch.
                   Of course, if the account is password protected and
unopened,
                   the account will be skipped.

                   * When choosing to run the manual filters, you now
are presented
                   with a flyout menu which has a list of all of you
manual filters
                   as well as an "All" choice. You can use this to run a
single
                   manual filter, or all of them. The "All" choice is
how it used to 
                   work when choosing "Apply Manual Filters".

                   * The same RMB quick-addressbook popup as when
addressing an e-mail
                   is now accessible when defining groups.

                   - There are a whole lot of new additions to the
Filters and
                   specifically the ICSL.

                   New ICSL Tag:
                   -------------

                   The P or PROGRAM tag. This will allow you to run a
program
                   on the message being filtered and use it's return
value as
                   a boolean test in the filter. It's syntax is: 
                   PROGRAM.[.FLAGS]="STRING"
                   you must have the program name, and the pointy braces
around
                   it. All flags work with this tag. The program you
call
                   is passed the name of the message file as well as a
blank file 
                   where it needs to write it's return value/information
to.
                   This file is then compared against the "STRING" you
are
                   searching for.

                   New ICSL Fields:
                   ----------------

                   The H or HEADER tag now has 4 new fields. They are:
                   h.fromname, h.fromid, h.toname, and h.toid. They
                   further parse the h.to and h.from fields and
                   break them down further into their name and e-mail
                   address components.

                   New ICSL Flags:
                   ---------------

                   We have finally introduced the notion of "wildcards" 
                   into search strings. However, we have done it using
                   two new flags. They are:

                   -B This stand for Beginning, and the string must
match the
                   beginning of the string you are looking at. IE it is
                   a WORD* match.

                   -Z This stand for END, and the string must match the
                   end of the string you are looking at. IE it is
                   a *WORD match.

                   Only one of -b, -z, and -e can be used, as they
contradict each
                   other. -e is the same as a -b AND -z search together.

                   Variables in Search Strings!!! In simple and complex
filters
                   we now finally offer the ability to use certain
predefined
                   variablesin search strings. So, you can have a filter
catching
                   messages where the To: field and the From: field are
the same.
                   As well, you can use the variables to access current
time and
                   dates, as most importantly, you can use them to look
people up
                   in your address book and act if the are or are not in
there.
                   There is a full list of variables in the online help,
as well as
                   some do's and dont's about special characters that
you now cannot
                   use in the strings without a bit of padding and care.

                   -PMMail now supports Dial-Up Networking. Please see
the connection
                   page in the account settings.

                   - Reindexing has been made "safer" tool. and
"Reindex" now moved from
                   the Message menu to the tools menu.

                   -PGP keys are handled differently. (pro version
only). Check out
                   the security tab. You can now select your default
key. PMMail now
                   remebers the KeyID (which is unique). Before, it used
your e-mail
                   address.

                   -Fixed a crash when typing a lot of stuff in the
address field of a
                   new message.

                   -Fixed a bug with account where turing off "Leave on
server" would
                   tell you there were messages up on the server when
there weren't

                   -Fixed "Delete remote/local" issues with filters.

                   -Fixed filters so that bounces on outgoing messages
only send one
                   copy.

                   -Fixed problem with netscape URLs and launching in a
new window.

                   -Added key "Alt-B" for compose window to toggle
Cc/Bcc

                   -Fixed a crash on printing

                   -Hopefully, I put in the last fix for the Dial-Up
Networking stuff

                   -Fixed the crash on clicking a URL

                   -Dial-Up networking connections are reference
counted. What's that
                   mean to you and me? It means that 2 simultaneous
fetches will not
                   cause 2 connections, and that send after fetch will
not cause a
                   hangup and re-dial.

                   -Fixed reindex so you could reindex folders properly.
Part of our
                   "threadsafeness" caused it to be safe from even
itself.

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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                20-Oct-99 06:43:17
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 10:29:02
Subj: email tracking problem

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello UUCP.

19 Oct 99 21:05, melaniemNOSPAM@tNOSPAMtartarus.uwa. wrote to All:

 m> From: "Melanie Mathewson"
 <melaniemNOSPAM@tNOSPAMtartarus.uwa.edu.au>

 m> I'm trying to set my email gadget so that I can request a read
 receipt
 m> everytime I send someone an email. (I am always keen to know
 whether
 m> someone has not yet read my messages, or whether they are just
 too
 m> darn slack to reply).

 m> I've got outlook2000 and when I do a 'new message' I select
 options,

Wrong Newsgroup, this is for OS/2 based mail software. Try another
 newsgroup


Derek


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From: worlock@frontiernet.net                           20-Oct-99 10:00:25
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 19:50:27
Subj: (1/2) Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: "RichS" <worlock@frontiernet.net>

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It's wonderful that PMMail has a new life and is supported. The list of bug
fixes is impressive... But they didn't fix the number one bug in my book...
That's the address box with the auto-fill. It constantly drops characters as
you type and I'm constantly getting returned mail because of the missing
letters... Southsoft said they knew about this problem way back when...
Apparently, not a high priority one though.....


On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:47:02 +0200, Johannes Hromadka wrote:

>Doug Darrow wrote:
> 
>> The press releases I've seen didn't say anything about _development_
>> being taken over; just publishing and support. I think BoB and Icon are
>
>See: http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000001.html
>
>
>	Hannes
>
>These are the major changes in the Blueprint Software Works 2.1 version.
>
>                   OS/2 Version
>                   ------------
>                   -Fixed a spelling error on a menu
>                   -Fixed LDAP support to allow a search root
>
>                   -Fixed a HUGE bug in vCard support that wouldn't QP
>encode stuff properly
>
>                   -Fixed a bug in PMMSend with respect to KOI8-R MIME
>headers
>                   -Fixed a bug in PMMSend with respect to encoding
>outgoing messages
>                   -Fixed a hotkey error on the popup folder menu
>                   -Fixed a crash when printing messages with *really*
>long lines
>
>                   -Added a filter option "Save All Attachments"...You
>select this and
>                   specify a directory and all attachments will be saved
>there.
>
>                   -Fixed some problems with decoding wierd header lines
>                   -Fixed a bug that would cause a message to have an
>incorrect body
>
>                   -Changed the behavior of opening a body in the
>outbox...when doing
>                   this, PMMail now defaults the message to NO
>SIG...this removes the
>                   double sig problem
>
>                   -Fixed a bug where the preview pane would not
>properly report an
>                   error when a file was not found
>
>                   -Fixed a bug with parsing the TZ environment
>variable, this also
>                   fixed correct determination of DST for southern
>hemisphere countries
>
>                   -Fixed a bug that caused high prio messages to never
>be marked as
>                   read when using the preview pane's "mark as read"
>option
>
>                   -Added some RMB cut, copy, and paste options
>
>                   -Fixed a bug with searching...sometimes the "search
>subfolder" option
>                   didn't work
>
>                   -Fixed a bug where moving addresses from one book to
>another would
>                   result in an incorrect error
>
>                   -Fixed a spelling error on the printed output
>                   -Added the option to use the spacebar to page through
>messages
>                   -Added a "/min" command line option to start PMMail/2
>minimized
>                   -Added a canned association for vcf files to vCards
>
>                   -Modified the "Print Message" filter action. It still
>defaults to
>                   your default printer, but you can now select another
>printer if you
>                   wish
>
>                   -Fixed a bug that would add a ficticious attachment
>in certain
>                   multipart/alternative messages
>
>                   -Fixed a bug where PGP statuses were not cleared when
>                   using up/down in the read window
>
>                   -Fixed a bug where messages would be double-sent from
>filters
>
>
>                   Windows Version
>                   ---------------
>
>                   -Fixed a spelling error on a menu
>                   -Fixed a HUGE bug in vCard support that wouldn't QP
>encode stuff properly
>                   -Fixed a hotkey error on the popup folder menu
>                   -Fixed a crash when printing messages with *really*
>long lines
>                   -Fixed some problems with decoding wierd header lines
>                   -Fixed a bug that would cause a message to have an
>incorrect body
>
>                   -Changed the behavior of opening a body in the
>outbox...when doing
>                   this, PMMail now defaults the message to NO
>SIG...this removes the
>                   double sig problem
>
>                   -Fixed a bug where the preview pane would not
>properly report an
>                   error when a file was not found
>
>                   -Fixed a bug with searching...sometimes the "search
>subfolder" option
>                   didn't work
>
>                   -Fixed a spelling error on the printed output
>                   -Added a canned association for vcf files to vCards
>
>                   -Fixed a bug that would add a ficticious attachment
>in certain
>                   multipart/alternative messages
>
>                   -Fixed (FINALLY) the bug where PGP statuses were not
>cleared when
>                   using up/down in the read window
>
>                   -Fixed (FINALLY) the bug where messages would be
>double-sent from
>                   incoming filters
>
>                   -Fixed a crash when adding a person to a group
>                   -Allow the user to turn off automatic addressing
>(PMMail->Properties)
>                   -Fixed the crash if Quick Interrogation was turned
>off
>                   -We now strip "mailto:" off of embedded e-mail
>addresses
>                   -The From and Date fields in a read window will now
>scroll
>                   -Fixed window positioning when PMMail was started
>minimized
>
>                   -Added the option to pass '%s' for the filename in a
>filter
>                   hook. This allows other arguments to be passed.
>
>                   -Fixed the problem with appending multiple messages
>to a file
>
>                   -Fixed a problem where the "quick path" for
>attachment saving
>                   would be corrupted and loose its trailing '\'
>
>                   -Bouncing a message no longer re-sends to the BCC
>list
>                   -Fixed the crash when saving large complex filters
>
>                   -The "In-Reply-To" header is now inserted so that
>mailers
>                   that can thread, will
>
>                   -Fixed a missing hotkey for "New Message" in the read
>window
>                   -Fixed a crash when using the filter builder
>
>                   * Information about attachments is cached. This
>should make opening
>                   messages *much* fater.
>
>                   * Canned replies now have variables. Examples are
>$h.to$ for the to
>                   field of the message you are replying to,
>$current.date$ for the 
>                   current date, etc.
>
>                   * A full list of all the variables is in the online
>help.
>                   This makes Canned Replies quite powerful, and they
>can be used as
>                   templates.
>
>                   * You can now fully customize the way your printed
>e-mail looks. To set
>                   this up Go to PMMail->Settings->Print Setup. It
>should be explained
>                   in the help from there. This is a good way to get
>used to the new
>                   variable structure being introduced in Canned Replies
>and Filters, as
>                   they are roughly the same as the ones used there.
>This quite powerful.
>                   We were able to incorporate almost all of the
>suggestions we got into
>                   this one interface. There is a way to set up
>virtually every way
>                   people wanted to see their printed e-mail.
>
>                   * You can now print out your address book. There are
>two styles,
>                   spreadsheet style, and a "verbose" style which prints
>all the info
>                   for each person, one per page. you can select the
>verbose option
>                   at print time.
>
>                   * There is now a Find Tool for the address book that
>is just like the
>                   Find Tool for the e-mail messages.
>
>                   * You can Export the contents of your address books
>to a Comma
>                   Separated File. The file format is defined in the
>online help.
>
>                   * You can also Import the same format of file into
>your Address Book.
>
>                   - LDAP support! You can use this stuff from the
>"Tools" menu in the
>                   address book manager.
>
>                   - Added a filter option "Save All Attachments"...You
>select this and
>                   specify a directory and all attachments will be saved
>there.
>
>                   - Modified the "Print Message" filter action. It
>still defaults to
>                   your default printer, but you can now select another
>printer if you
>                   wish
>
>                   - There are all new dictionaries in the product.
>these should finally
>                   include most of the common contractions and they
>should be found
>                   properly. As well, we have more then doubled the
>number of wordsin the
>                   dictionary to over 125,000. So, hopefully you will
>get much more
>                   meaningful suggestions.
>
>                   * There is now a Fetch All option under the PMMail
>menu. This 
>                   cycles through all of your account and performs a
>fetch.
>                   Of course, if the account is password protected and
>unopened,
>                   the account will be skipped.
>
>                   * When choosing to run the manual filters, you now
>are presented
>                   with a flyout menu which has a list of all of you
>manual filters
>                   as well as an "All" choice. You can use this to run a
>single
>                   manual filter, or all of them. The "All" choice is
>how it used to 
>                   work when choosing "Apply Manual Filters".
>
>                   * The same RMB quick-addressbook popup as when
>addressing an e-mail
>                   is now accessible when defining groups.
>
>                   - There are a whole lot of new additions to the
>Filters and
>                   specifically the ICSL.
>
>                   New ICSL Tag:
>                   -------------
>
>                   The P or PROGRAM tag. This will allow you to run a
>program
>                   on the message being filtered and use it's return
>value as
>                   a boolean test in the filter. It's syntax is: 
>                   PROGRAM.[.FLAGS]="STRING"
>                   you must have the program name, and the pointy braces
>around
>                   it. All flags work with this tag. The program you
>call
>                   is passed the name of the message file as well as a
>blank file 
>                   where it needs to write it's return value/information
>to.
>                   This file is then compared against the "STRING" you
>are
>                   searching for.
>
>                   New ICSL Fields:
>                   ----------------
>
>                   The H or HEADER tag now has 4 new fields. They are:
>                   h.fromname, h.fromid, h.toname, and h.toid. They
>                   further parse the h.to and h.from fields and
>                   break them down further into their name and e-mail
>                   address components.
>
>                   New ICSL Flags:
>                   ---------------
>
>                   We have finally introduced the notion of "wildcards" 
>                   into search strings. However, we have done it using
>                   two new flags. They are:
>
>                   -B This stand for Beginning, and the string must
>match the
>                   beginning of the string you are looking at. IE it is
>                   a WORD* match.
>
>                   -Z This stand for END, and the string must match the
>                   end of the string you are looking at. IE it is
>                   a *WORD match.
>
>                   Only one of -b, -z, and -e can be used, as they
>contradict each
>                   other. -e is the same as a -b AND -z search together.
>
>                   Variables in Search Strings!!! In simple and complex
>filters
>                   we now finally offer the ability to use certain
>predefined
>                   variablesin search strings. So, you can have a filter
>catching
>                   messages where the To: field and the From: field are
>the same.
>                   As well, you can use the variables to access current
>time and
>                   dates, as most importantly, you can use them to look
>people up
>                   in your address book and act if the are or are not in
>there.
>                   There is a full list of variables in the online help,
>as well as
>                   some do's and dont's about special characters that
>you now cannot
>                   use in the strings without a bit of padding and care.
>
>                   -PMMail now supports Dial-Up Networking. Please see
>the connection
>                   page in the account settings.
>
>                   - Reindexing has been made "safer" tool. and
>"Reindex" now moved from
>                   the Message menu to the tools menu.
>
>                   -PGP keys are handled differently. (pro version
>only). Check out
>                   the security tab. You can now select your default
>key. PMMail now
>                   remebers the KeyID (which is unique). Before, it used
>your e-mail
>                   address.
>
>                   -Fixed a crash when typing a lot of stuff in the
>address field of a
>                   new message.
>
>                   -Fixed a bug with account where turing off "Leave on
>server" would
>                   tell you there were messages up on the server when
>there weren't
>
>                   -Fixed "Delete remote/local" issues with filters.
>
>                   -Fixed filters so that bounces on outgoing messages
>only send one
>                   copy.
>

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From: worlock@frontiernet.net                           20-Oct-99 10:00:25
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 19:50:27
Subj: (2/2) Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

>                   -Fixed problem with netscape URLs and launching in a
>new window.
>
>                   -Added key "Alt-B" for compose window to toggle
>Cc/Bcc
>
>                   -Fixed a crash on printing
>
>                   -Hopefully, I put in the last fix for the Dial-Up
>Networking stuff
>
>                   -Fixed the crash on clicking a URL
>
>                   -Dial-Up networking connections are reference
>counted. What's that
>                   mean to you and me? It means that 2 simultaneous
>fetches will not
>                   cause 2 connections, and that send after fetch will
>not cause a
>                   hangup and re-dial.
>
>                   -Fixed reindex so you could reindex folders properly.
>Part of our
>                   "threadsafeness" caused it to be safe from even
>itself.

******************************************************************************
Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless...Umm...Uhh....
Oh - Heck...I never could remember all that "nice" stuff.
-
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From: KelleyCook@ATTGlobal.net                          20-Oct-99 12:10:29
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 19:50:27
Subj: PMMail Mailing List

From: "R. Kelley Cook" <KelleyCook@ATTGlobal.net>

Where did it go????





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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 20-Oct-99 11:01:19
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 19:50:27
Subj: Re: Installing PMMail 2.1 on a 1.x System

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

stephen-d@home.com (Stephen) wrote:

>I decided to check out 2.1 since I am throwing in the towel over the 
>increased use of html in emails. Other than support for html I am happy with
>1.96.
>
>So I get 2.1 and proceed to install in a new directory. Better safe than 
>sorry.
>
>I am almost certain I will do the upgrade thing, but I wanted to check 
>first.
>
>I try to migrate. Well, I have 5 accounts set up in 1.96. Seems the 
>unregistered version only supports one account. The one it migrated is 
>called '@'.

I proceeded along lines much as you.  I'm not sure about
"migration" -- I didn't see anything about this in the
readme -- instead, I think it takes its settings from one of
the OS/2 files on your boot drive.  (Once upon a time, I
seem to remember a new PMMail install would copy them out of
your old install, even when you were putting it in a new
directory.)

>
>Also the path I specify for the migration is not clear. Is it 
>x:\southsde\pmmail or x:\southsde\tools or x:\southsde\pmmail\[acctx]? Or 
>each in a series?
>
>I am not all that confident that the migration works. Also, I have a large 
>archive of emails that I would like to migrate.

My plan was to try it out in its own directory, and see if I
like it enough to upgrade -- I'm at 1.95a.  If I do, I'll
buy it and install it over 1.95a, and then I'll have all my
accounts and emails right there as before.  However....

>
>Anyone have some experience in what I am trying to do to provide me with 
>some confidence?

...this version is basically a bugfix based on the last
PMMail/2 release.  There's a bit of traffic on the PMMail
list about this, but it seems that Bluesoft just wanted to
get this out the door, and hopes we will wait patiently for
the next version.  Personally, I don't see anything in it
that will force me to upgrade, and I'm disappointed.  I only
need two or three things that /2 will give me, but the bad
stuff about this -- I can't get the popup to work over
either a message I'm reading or one I'm composing -- takes
it out of contention.  (IMO, the first priority for this
release is getting PMMail's popup behavior in compliance
with SOMETHING, since it's conflicted with just about
everything on the map.)

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     20-Oct-99 19:03:06
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 19:50:28
Subj: Re: Installing PMMail 2.1 on a 1.x System

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:42:43, stephen-d@home.com (Stephen) wrote:

> I decided to check out 2.1 since I am throwing in the towel over the 
> increased use of html in emails. Other than support for html I am happy with
> 1.96.
> 
> So I get 2.1 and proceed to install in a new directory. Better safe than 
> sorry.

Good idea...
 
> I am almost certain I will do the upgrade thing, but I wanted to check 
> first.

The upgrade is very good (IMO).
 
> I try to migrate. Well, I have 5 accounts set up in 1.96. Seems the 
> unregistered version only supports one account. The one it migrated is 
> called '@'.

Yes, that is a restriction of the unregistered version. When you 
register, it will allow more accounts.
 
> Also the path I specify for the migration is not clear. Is it 
> x:\southsde\pmmail or x:\southsde\tools or x:\southsde\pmmail\[acctx]? Or 
> each in a series?

It has been a while, but I think it is x:\southsde\pmmail, which is 
where all of the accounts live.

> I am not all that confident that the migration works. Also, I have a large 
> archive of emails that I would like to migrate.

When I converted to 2.0 (some time ago), I don't remember any problems
with migration, but I am only using one account.
 
> Anyone have some experience in what I am trying to do to provide me with 
> some confidence?

I suggest that you get the registration code, BACKUP your old PMMail 
1.96 version, get rid of the new unregistered version, and install the
2.1 version over top of the old 1.96 version. I did that (with the 2.0
version), and it all worked with no problems. Since then, I have done 
the 2.1 upgrade, and it is working just fine. I don't remeber doing 
the migration thing, so it either figured it out all by itself, or it 
worked without any problems.

Worst case, you delete all of the new stuff, and restore the old to 
get back to where you started (BACKUPS are WONDERFULL <G>).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: trzypion@waw.pdi.net                              20-Oct-99 23:59:10
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 19:50:28
Subj: Sendmail 8.9.3

From: Adam =?iso-8859-2?Q?P=B3aszczyca?= <trzypion@waw.pdi.net>

Hi!

A tried to install sendmail 8.9.3 on my server, but i have some
problems.
When i make new sendmail.cf file (using m4) sendmail fails on regex
class.
Even if I hash this lines sendmail will start, but i can't connet to
port 25.
I tried also config delivered as example and i find problems with runing
mlocal program (popsmail from os2pops). It looks like slashes in path
are ommited. I tried to use double backslashes. slashes, single
backslashes and situation is the same.
Any ideas?


Regards 
-- 
     ___________ (R)  
    /_  _______      Adam Püaszczyca (+48 601) 829697
  ___/ /_  ___      ul. Jagiello¤ska 62 m 120, 03-468 Warszawa
 _______/ /_     IRC: _555, http://www.waw.pdi.net/~trzypion/
___________/	 mail: _555@irc.pl UIN: 4098313

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From: stephen-d@home.com                                21-Oct-99 11:07:17
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 10:33:27
Subj: Re: Installing PMMail 2.1 on a 1.x System

From: stephen-d@home.com (Stephen)

In article <0WMD44HwK9XI089yn@home.com>, stephen-d@home.com (Stephen) wrote:

I have solved the subject.

Two key points.

Version 1.96 does not need to be migrated. The file structures were not 
changed through 2.1.

I have 5 email accounts. The unregistered version supports only 1.

Other than the 2nd point, just install 2.1 over 1.96. After a back-up, of 
course.

What I did:

Installed 2.1 in a new directory.
Registered it, and applied the key.
Copied the old TOOLS directory into the new.
Copied the old PMMAIL\*.ACT\ directories to the new. Be sure to also copy 
the subdirectories!

That is it.

Thanks to PMMail support for the email!

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From: KelleyCook@ATTGlobal.net                          20-Oct-99 12:20:13
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 14:39:11
Subj: Re: new PMMail/2

From: "R. Kelley Cook" <KelleyCook@ATTGlobal.net>

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:42:02 GMT, Thomas Billert wrote:

>
>>I see that a new company has bought PMMail/2 and re-christened it 2.1.
>> Besides a new logo on the "about" page, what's different between this
>>and the previous version?
>>
>dunno. The worst bug/limitation for me is still present, PMMail still
>can't handle mails with German Umlauts in connection with PGP.

I wen't throught this a LONG time ago.  

I'm pretty sure it works fine with PGP 5.0

In config.txt under PGP, you need to have CharSet=Latin1 and Language=de

Under PMMail/2 you need to set the Character Set to ISO Latin1 and EightBit
encoding.






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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 21-Oct-99 14:58:08
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 14:39:11
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston) wrote:

>: There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
>: the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)
>
>I've been printing to a LJ1100 from PMMAil v2.0 for ages without ever seeing
>these blobs.

wow!  I too have been using an 1100 for ages and I got this from day
one!  I wonder if its driver related or some other weird internal
difference.

craig

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From: csalamanca@ste.es                                 21-Oct-99 19:19:05
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 16:48:11
Subj: Save attachments automatically

From: "Carlos Salamanca" <csalamanca@ste.es>

Hello:

    Do you know any way to save automatically every attach file that i
receive in an e-mail ?. Do you know any utility that i can execute from my
aplication and make this task, and no need more that some parameters i pass
it, like the subject ?

Thank you.

I hope you could answer me.



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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        21-Oct-99 18:39:28
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 16:48:12
Subj: Re: Sendmail 8.9.3

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <380E4949.AFFA0968@waw.pdi.net>, Adam =?iso-8859-2?Q?P=B3aszczyca?=
<trzypion@waw.pdi.net> writes:
>Hi!
>
>A tried to install sendmail 8.9.3 on my server, but i have some
>problems.
>When i make new sendmail.cf file (using m4) sendmail fails on regex
>class.
>Even if I hash this lines sendmail will start, but i can't connet to
>port 25.
>I tried also config delivered as example and i find problems with runing
>mlocal program (popsmail from os2pops). It looks like slashes in path
>are ommited. I tried to use double backslashes. slashes, single
>backslashes and situation is the same.

I would expect forward slashes to work, but not with drive letters...

I have been trying to get sendmail set up myself, but find it traps with a
Sys3173 in TCPIP32.DLL while receiving mail. This is with MPTS 8620.

Have you had it working at all?

>Any ideas?
>
>
>Regards 
>-- 
>     ___________ (R)  
>    /_  _______      Adam P³aszczyca (+48 601) 829697
>  ___/ /_  ___      ul. Jagielloñska 62 m 120, 03-468 Warszawa
> _______/ /_     IRC: _555, http://www.waw.pdi.net/~trzypion/
>___________/	 mail: _555@irc.pl UIN: 4098313
--
John

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               21-Oct-99 22:37:12
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 21:24:22
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Peter Moylan wrote:

> ...  In another posting in this thread I mentioned
> a POPGET.CMD that's included with Weasel.  Take a look at it, it might
> be what you need.

It did not seem to be included with the version I had tried, so I went to your 
site in
orderto download the newest version. Unfortunately, it timed out three times.
Either my
connections in that direction are slow, or the server was overloaded. I
therefore tried
Hobbes. It looks like those old philosophers have problems keeping up with
change, for
the version I got was 0.8, which did not have any POPGET.CMD (or any other
command
file) in it.


>
> Other people have asked for this, so the latest version looks for a file
> called "Online" before sending outbound mail - you can create and
> destroy this file as needed.  (It could be done with semaphores, but
> not everyone understands semaphores.  Doing it based on the presence
> of a file means that people can easily move the file as part of their
> dialler script.)

I see the point, but will not this cause some overhead? Unless I am mistaken,
you would
have to poll for the existence of the file. I think a ready-made skeleton REXX 
program
to set the event semaphore would be easy enough for most people. I am more
concerned
that it might be more work to implement it than you (or I, for that sake,
since you
have kindly released the source) can spare the time for. Not that I have used
Modula 2
since about the time it was first released for DOS - I have an early version
of M2SDS
somewhere...

Is the compiler you use a big download, and is the free version usable for a
one-time
compile of Weasel? Or are not the fetch routines in a separate thread for each 
external
server, so that it would be a non-trivial job to implement this?


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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    22-Oct-99 00:14:14
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 02:30:00
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

Bj›rn Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> wrote:
>Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>> ...  In another posting in this thread I mentioned
>> a POPGET.CMD that's included with Weasel.  Take a look at it, it might
>> be what you need.
>
>It did not seem to be included with the version I had tried, so I went to
your site in
>orderto download the newest version. Unfortunately, it timed out three times. 
Either my
>connections in that direction are slow, or the server was overloaded. I
therefore tried
>Hobbes. It looks like those old philosophers have problems keeping up with
change, for
>the version I got was 0.8, which did not have any POPGET.CMD (or any other
command
>file) in it.

That's my fault, I'm afraid. It's a nuisance keeping all archives
synchronised,
so I have a policy of uploading to Hobbes only when the version reaches a
round number.  The present version is 0.88, which means that version 0.9 is
due out soon (and will be uploaded to Hobbes), but meanwhile the version on
Hobbes is a bit out of date.

Your problem with connecting to my server might have been a transient one.
We've had quite a few power failures here lately, partly due to bad
weather but mostly due to Y2K testing.  (The "solutions" for this Y2K bug
are turning out to be worse than the problem they're supposed to fix.)
My own server, running OS/2, can reboot automatically after a power
failure, but some of our local routers, running Unix, don't recover
gracefully.  It's possibly that a new attempt to download will succeed.

If there's genuinely a problem with a bad connection (quite possible, because
the route from Australia to Norway wanders through all sorts of countries)
then I'd highly recommend awget: it's good at resuming failed downloads.

Meanwhile, POPGET.CMD itself is small, so I've e-mailed you a copy.

>> Other people have asked for this, so the latest version looks for a file
>> called "Online" before sending outbound mail - you can create and
>> destroy this file as needed.  (It could be done with semaphores, but
>> not everyone understands semaphores.  Doing it based on the presence
>> of a file means that people can easily move the file as part of their
>> dialler script.)
>
>I see the point, but will not this cause some overhead? Unless I am mistaken, 
you would
>have to poll for the existence of the file.

The overhead isn't all that bad.  A checking thread looks for the file
every minute or so, but apart from that that thread spends all its time
asleep.

>Is the compiler you use a big download, and is the free version usable for a
one-time
>compile of Weasel?

This would probably be more trouble than it's worth.  I'm not sure what
the trial version of the compiler does these days - the XDS policy on
this varies from time to time, depending on what they're up to - but
there's a risk that you'd run into errors like "program too large for
demo version" or similar.

> Or are not the fetch routines in a separate thread for each external
>server, so that it would be a non-trivial job to implement this?

The business about fetching from other servers isn't even part of the
Weasel code, it's a separate Rexx script.  You could even use that
script without installing Weasel.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             22-Oct-99 08:26:23
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 05:24:03
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:14:29, peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
wrote:

> Bj½rn Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> wrote:
> >Peter Moylan wrote:
> >
> 
> If there's genuinely a problem with a bad connection (quite possible,
because
> the route from Australia to Norway wanders through all sorts of countries)
> then I'd highly recommend awget: it's good at resuming failed downloads.
>
< snip > 
> -- 
> Peter Moylan                                        
peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
> See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

FYI, I downloaded 0.88 from your site at 11:20 local time here in Germany
on the 19th. with no real problems. It was just a bit slow. ca 4K on ISDN.

It sounds interesting and might be able to provide a service which I need
but I haven't had the time to check it out yet. Another job for the weekend.

Thanks,
-- 
Dave

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           22-Oct-99 08:37:17
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 12:35:25
Subj: Re: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free!

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <7upbmk$sj2$59@nslave1.tin.it>, on 10/22/99 at 09:44 AM,
   madQ <madq968@djeksta.comNOSPAM> said:

> Download Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. It's free!!! New site:
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Chip/5989/

Can SOMEONE help find the son of a bitch who keeps posting this to
numerous newsgroups? First of all the URL is phony. After much searching,
Geocities defaults to its homepage. Searching for this URL produces no
results. Sending email to madq968@djeksta.com produces a mailrobot message
that djkesta.com doesn't exist.

I emailed Geocities and they have no idea who this person is, have never
had such a user, etc. according to their return email.

--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          22-Oct-99 14:19:14
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 14:21:14
Subj: Re: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free!

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:37:35, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
wrote:

:On <7upbmk$sj2$59@nslave1.tin.it>, on 10/22/99 at 09:44 AM,
:   madQ <madq968@djeksta.comNOSPAM> said:
:
:> Download Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. It's free!!! New site:
:> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Chip/5989/
:
:Can SOMEONE help find the son of a bitch who keeps posting this to
:numerous newsgroups? First of all the URL is phony. After much searching,
:Geocities defaults to its homepage. Searching for this URL produces no
:results. Sending email to madq968@djeksta.com produces a mailrobot message
:that djkesta.com doesn't exist.

 You can forward them to abuse@tin.it

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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