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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            10-Oct-99 09:11:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Spamming the Spammers!

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.

I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
mailing list.

I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
do what I want?

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            10-Oct-99 16:48:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

I think you'll find that spam comes with invalid mail addresses, so you'll
be unable to reply to the originator.
Anyway, do you really think that this approach will work. Won't it just
make it worse?

Ray Appleby wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
>
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their
> mailing list.
>
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
>
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               10-Oct-99 23:52:06
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article
<dF1xEfk5flPE-pn2-hqbTwdgldxg0@h-207-148-135-207.dial.cadvision.com>,
	rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) writes:
> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
> 
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
> mailing list.

I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
reasons:

- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
  through.
- On those occasions when the return address is real, the account is a
  "throwaway" account that the spammer doesn't intend to use.  You'll just
  ignore the spammer's ISP, who's probably a victim, too.
- Spammers sometimes use forged return addresses that correspond to people
  they want to attack, and rely upon people to complain and (the spammer
  hopes) get the victim kicked off the Internet, or at least left
  dealing with thousands of angry messages.
- Replying with hundreds of replies is itself an abuse of the Internet
  that's likely to get YOU in hot water with your own ISP.

If you want to know about LEGITIMATE methods of fighting spam, I suggest
you pick up the O'Reilly book, _Stopping Spam_, by Alan Schwartz & Simson
Garfinkel.  There's little or nothing on the topic on OS/2 and OS/2
programs specifically, but there's lots of useful general-purpose
information.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 22:44:03
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) said:
>I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
>reasons:

>- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
>  through.

Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if they
don't have an address or have a fake address?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               11-Oct-99 04:10:22
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article <38014f2b$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
	lifedata@xxvol.com writes:
> rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) said:
>>I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
>>reasons:
> 
>>- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
>>  through.
> 
> Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if
they
> don't have an address or have a fake address?

You need to examine the mail headers.  Most mail clients don't show these
to you by default, but most do have an option to reveal them.  They may
or may not get saved when you save the mail to a file.  Here's an
annotated example (I've changed a few details to protect those who may be
innocent victims, and trimmed extraneous headings):

: From mailman@luftland.com  Thu Sep 23 09:15:56 1999
: Return-Path: <mailman@luftland.com>

These two lines aren't terribly informative.

: Delivered-To: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

You may or may not see this line. If present, it should be your own e-mail
address.

: Received: from luftland.com (server.jbpublishing.com [198.137.152.250])
:         by adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id
B554270921
:         for <rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net>; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 
09:
: 15:55 -0400 (EDT)
: Received: from localhost (nmd_serv@localhost)
:         by luftland.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19957;
:         Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:28:09 -0700 (PDT)

These are the core of the matter.  Each system that receives an e-mail
message adds a "Received" header, which takes the form "from
sender.address by current.address" (possibly with extra stuff added, as
above).  Many MTAs (mail transfer agents -- the e-mail server software)
include the IP address of the machine from which it's received the
message (I've changed it above).  The one at the top ("from
luftland.com") is the most recent.  In this case, it was my DSL-connected
computer, which received a message from server.jbpublishing.com, aka
luftland.com (I've altered the names and IP address).  The next line
reveals that a mail server calling itself luftland.com received its mail
from localhost (the name most UNIX systems give themselves for internal
use).  This spam is unusual in that it has only the two Received: lines,
indicating that the spammer's machine talked DIRECTLY to mine.  If you
receive mail via a POP server, there'll be at least three Received:
lines.  Spammers' ISPs often add another, so four isn't unusual. 
Sometimes networks relay mail through several machines, so the total can
go even higher.

Normally, the LAST Received: line is the one that contains the critical
information.  Most spam has a final Received line that indicates it was
received by some ISP's mail server from a dialup PPP link.  The one I've
just quoted is unusual in that the spam appears to have originated on the
same system as the MTA, and that system is a UNIX system that appears to
have its own IP address (not a dialup account).  You normally want to
report the spammer to the abuse and/or postmaster accounts at the ISP(s)
involved.  For instance, if the Received: line showed that mail was
received by mail2.someisp.net from ppp-23298-a.someisp.net, then you'd
send e-mail to abuse@someisp.net and/or postmaster@someisp.net.  If you
have access to whois, you can also try doing "whois someisp.net", which
should get you assorted information, including postal addresses, phone
numbers, and administrative contacts.

All this said, spammers can do things to throw you off.  For instance,
they can use "stolen" PPP accounts, accounts opened under false names,
and open mail relays.  The last of these are systems that are
misconfigured to accept and forward mail from non-local sites.  (This
used to be accepted common courtesy on the Internet, but in today's spam
climate, open relays are generally considered to be Bad Things.)  For
instance, a spammer using a dialup PPP account from someisp.net could
point e-mail software to smtp.dumbadmin.com and send out e-mail.  The
people at dumbadmin.com would then get e-mail complaining of the spam. 
You can spot this by the Received: line -- it would show mail received
from ppp-23298-a.someisp.net by smtp.dumbadmin.com.  In this case, you
should send mail to both dumbadmin.com AND someisp.net.  (My
DSL-connected Linux box has actually been subjected to unsolicited probes
by spammers to determine if it's an open relay, which it isn't.)

Spammers also sometimes add bogus Received: headers.  These will typically
be separated from other Received: headers by additional e-mail headers,
and they may contain nonsensical information.  Sometimes the spammer's own
system adds the first Received: header, as when the spammer uses a UNIX
system on a dialup ISP line.  The system name will probably be localhost,
something bogus, or something that reveals the client nature of the system
(like my own hostname, adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net).

: Received: by luftland.com (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:37:41
-0700

This Received: header seems to have been added by the mailer program. 
It's not terribly useful.

: To: Mail_List_Subscriber@luftland.com

This is nearly useless.

: From: mailman@luftland.com

This is easily forged.

: Message-ID: <bulk.8113.19990922153741@luftland.com>

The message ID sometimes contains a clue about the origin.  It's a unique
ID for the mail.  It generally consists of a code generated by the mail
program (bulk.8113.19990922153741) followed by the originating computer.

Various MTAs and other mail software add various additional headers, most
of which are useless in tracking the mail to the source.

If you want to learn more, check out _Stopping Spam_ from O'Reilly.  I've
got a link to its page on Amazon.com on my web page, if you're interested:
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod/books.html

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: t.sinnema@tref.nl                                 11-Oct-99 16:29:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: antivirus software for OS2

From: "Theo Sinnema" <t.sinnema@tref.nl>

Hi there all!

I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield in
native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!

Thanks in advance.

Theo Sinnema


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:11:53, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) 
wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
> 
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
> mailing list.
> 
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

I quit returning ANYTHING (even Remove requests) to the SPAMMERS. All 
it seems to do, is CONFIRM that they have a real , live, address, so 
they can add your name to more SPAM lists. I just set up a filter. If 
the mail isn't addressed, specifically, to me, it goes into a separate
mail bin. Then I scan, real quick, to see if something slipped through
that I really do want to keep, save that, and trash the rest.

If the SPAM is actually addressed to me, I try to send a note back to 
the webmaster of the domain that it came from. Sometimes that works. 
Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
you are wasting your time.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    11-Oct-99 13:58:12
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:29:00 +0200, Theo Sinnema wrote:

>Hi there all!
>
>I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield in
>native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!
>
http://www.mcafee.com/

Tony.


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From: marco.shaw@nbtel.nb.ca                            11-Oct-99 20:27:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: HOWTO:  chat scripts?

From: "Marco Shaw" <marco.shaw@nbtel.nb.ca>

I'm new to OS/2 admin.  I need to develop a script that gets files newer
than x date, and FTPs all these files to an FTP server, and this must be
done every 4 hours.

What kind of scheduling mechanism does OS/2 (Warp 4) have?  Would it be best
to use DOS batch scripts to do the above?  Since I don't know anything about
REXX...

Thanks,
Marco


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From: abuse@orac.clara.co.uk                            12-Oct-99 00:47:06
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: HOWTO:  chat scripts?

From: abuse@orac.clara.co.uk (Paul Ratcliffe)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:27:02 GMT, Marco Shaw <marco.shaw@nbtel.nb.ca> wrote:

>I'm new to OS/2 admin.  I need to develop a script that gets files newer
>than x date, and FTPs all these files to an FTP server, and this must be
>done every 4 hours.

You need REXX and a library package called RxSock. This all comes with Warp 4.

>What kind of scheduling mechanism does OS/2 (Warp 4) have?

It doesn't, but there is a choice of Cron-like utilties on Hobbes which will
do the job.

>Would it be best to use DOS batch scripts to do the above?

No.

>Since I don't know anything about REXX...

An ideal opportunity to learn then. My homepages are maintained automatically
by such a system as you describe - whatever I change here automatically gets
uploaded to the server whenever I connect.

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From: jdholt@attglobal.net                              12-Oct-99 00:35:03
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: jdholt@attglobal.net (John Holt)

In message <nerylrnigrqh.fjg9xd0.pminews@news.supernews.com> -
"Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu> writes:
:>
:>On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:29:00 +0200, Theo Sinnema wrote:
:>
:>>Hi there all!
:>>
:>>I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield
in
:>>native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!
:>>
:>http://www.mcafee.com/

Went to the McAfee site, and found nothing for OS/2.  

Do you have a better reference??

Thanks,

//---------------------------------------------------------//
//  John Holt                                              //
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From: jscott@csolve.net                                 12-Oct-99 03:29:01
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: JohnS <jscott@csolve.net>

See

http://download.mcafee.com/eval/platform-language.asp?l=0&pkgc=VSS&prdc=VS&s=HO
ME&o=10&zz=VirusScan&img=vs1.gif

It lists OS2; French, German, Danish, Dutch, Swedish, Portugese versions
but NO English.

So, if you read one of the above, you can download and try for 30 days.

If you read English only, you are apparently SOL. Interesting way to
kill a product??

Cheers

J


John Holt wrote:
> 
> In message <nerylrnigrqh.fjg9xd0.pminews@news.supernews.com> -
> "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu> writes:
> :>
> :>On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:29:00 +0200, Theo Sinnema wrote:
> :>
> :>>Hi there all!
> :>>
> :>>I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield 
in
> :>>native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!
> :>>
> :>http://www.mcafee.com/
> 
> Went to the McAfee site, and found nothing for OS/2.
> 
> Do you have a better reference??
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> //---------------------------------------------------------//
> //  John Holt                                              //
> //---------------------------------------------------------//

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      11-Oct-99 19:42:14
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: antivirus software for OS2

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Theo Sinnema wrote in a message to All:

TS> I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident
TS> shield in native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!

  Network Associates Software End-User License Agreement
                 VirusScan for OS/2 v4.0.2
    Copyright (c) 1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its
        Affiliated Companies. All Rights Reserved

    Scan engine v4.0.02 for OS/2.
    Virus data file v4.2.4043 created 09/15/99
    Scanning for 46695 viruses, trojans and variants.
   
   http://www.nai.com/asp_set/download/dats/mcafee_4x.asp   appr....
--
Steen

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From: Aurora@warp.com                                   12-Oct-99 08:12:00
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: Aurora@warp.com

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:58:25, "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:29:00 +0200, Theo Sinnema wrote:
> 
> >Hi there all!
> >
> >I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield
in
> >native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!
> >
> http://www.mcafee.com/

At the moment mcafee is the only one, but it's really slow. I know 
that norman (www.norman.no) is developing a version, and I have tested
it, and it's alot faster. With Mcafee, you can feel and see that it's 
running, it slows down the computer, with the Norman version it's much
less so, if any at all. But it's still some time untill it will be 
released. It was shown at WarpStock Europe.

-D-

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      12-Oct-99 08:36:11
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 10:16:26
Subj: antivirus software for OS2

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

JohnS wrote in a message to John Holt:

J> If you read English only, you are apparently SOL. Interesting way to
J> kill a product??

_ _ _ O / _ _C_U_T_ _B_E_G_I_N_ _
      O \
    NA1 - CONTACTING NETWORK ASSOCIATES

    On December 1, 1997, McAfee Associates merged
    with Network General Corporation, Pretty Good
    Privacy, Inc., and Helix Software, Inc. to form
    Network Associates, Inc. The combined Company
    subsequently acquired Dr Solomon's Software,
    Trusted Information Systems, Magic Solutions,
    and CyberMedia, Inc.
_ _ _ O / _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
      O \     C U T  E N D

That's why NAI uses Solomon for OS/2.....
--
Steen

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               12-Oct-99 15:20:27
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: HOWTO: chat scripts?

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:27:02 GMT, Marco Shaw <marco.shaw@nbtel.nb.ca> wrote:
>
> >I'm new to OS/2 admin.  I need to develop a script that gets files newer
> >than x date, and FTPs all these files to an FTP server, and this must be
> >done every 4 hours.
>
> You need REXX and a library package called RxSock. This all comes with Warp
4.
>

It may also be useful to run SWITCHRX.CMD to change to the new Object REXX. It 
has
some new functions which are very useful, such as access to semaphores. It is
also
very fast and convenient to use the container classes (tables, arrays, queues
&c)
to organize the files you need to transmit.

It is easier to use the REXX ftp API if you do not need all the socket
capabilities.
From the online documentation:

 The REXX FTP API package is contained in the file rxftp.dll. This dynamic
link
library (DLL) must be placed in a
 directory listed in your LIBPATH statement in your CONFIG.SYS file. To use
the
functions in the REXX FTP API
 package, execute this REXX code:

 rc = RxFuncAdd("FtpLoadFuncs","rxFtp","FtpLoadFuncs")
 rc = FtpLoadFuncs()

 To unload the DLL, you should first call the FtpDropFuncs() function, then
exit
all CMD.EXE shells. After exiting all
 the command shells, the DLL will be dropped by OS/2 and can be deleted or
replaced.



>
> >What kind of scheduling mechanism does OS/2 (Warp 4) have?
>
> It doesn't, but there is a choice of Cron-like utilties on Hobbes which will
> do the job.
>

It certainly does! I have used the scheduler in the bonus pack for years with
no
problems. It will allow a wide range of different scheduling options (like
every n
days, third wednesday in every month, or whatever).

It is also possible to do the scheduling in REXX if it is fairly
straightforward.
Your batch control program can be started from the startup folder, and stay in 
the
background like any other daemon.

/* REXX timing loop for daily task */
iScheduled = TIME('S', '22:14:00') /* Convert scheduled time 22:14 to seconds
after midnight */
do forever
  iNow = TIME('s') /* Seconds since midnight */
  iWait = iScheduled - iNow
  if iWait < 0 then iWait = iWait + TIME('S', '23:59:59') /* Not until
tomorrow */

  SAY 'Wait' iWait 'seconds, until' TIME('N', iScheduled, 'S')
  CALL SysSleep iWait
  'START /B myjob.cmd'
end


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From: anti-spam.d89-tgl@nada.kth.se                     12-Oct-99 15:51:04
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: anti-spam.d89-tgl@nada.kth.se (Tobias Gladh)

:>I quit returning ANYTHING (even Remove requests) to the SPAMMERS. All 
:>it seems to do, is CONFIRM that they have a real , live, address, so 
:>they can add your name to more SPAM lists. I just set up a filter. If 
:>the mail isn't addressed, specifically, to me, it goes into a separate
:>mail bin. Then I scan, real quick, to see if something slipped through
:>that I really do want to keep, save that, and trash the rest.
:>
:>If the SPAM is actually addressed to me, I try to send a note back to 
:>the webmaster of the domain that it came from. Sometimes that works. 
:>Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
:>you are wasting your time.

I use the same approach (it's very effective), except that I throw away
everything that isn't addressed to me. This means I have to have additional
filters for the mailing lists before this filter, but it's definitely worth
it.
I never see the spam, not even the subject, thereby defeating their purpose.

As an aside, what mailer are you using? I use MR/2 ICE, and I like the
filtering
it has.

Another good method is to never end up on their spam-lists in the first place,
by mutilating your mail-address when you post in a newsgroup. Maybe they can
pick out my real address, but I don't think so, as I receive virtually no spam
addressed to me. My presence in their lists probably stems from my innocent
period on KTH, before I met the harsh reality of real life :-)

Once they get your address, you end up on their SPAM-CDs, which they sell to
each other, forever.

I wouldn't mind to be able to send an electronic "torpedo" at the spammers,
especially when you get an ad about the millons of addresses they have on
their damned CDs.

/Tobias Gladh
 M.Sc. C.Sc. & E.

Remove 'anti-spam.' to reply.



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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    12-Oct-99 12:16:04
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On 12 Oct 1999 00:35:06 GMT, John Holt wrote:

>Went to the McAfee site, and found nothing for OS/2.  
>
>Do you have a better reference??
That's where I got it, I don't know.

Tony.


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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            12-Oct-99 14:37:17
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

In <7tvldd$t4g$1@yggdrasil.utfors.se>, on 10/12/99 
   at 03:51 PM, anti-spam.d89-tgl@nada.kth.se (Tobias Gladh) said:

>I use the same approach (it's very effective), except that I throw away
>everything that isn't addressed to me. This means I have to have
>additional filters for the mailing lists before this filter, but it's
>definitely worth it.
>I never see the spam, not even the subject, thereby defeating their
>purpose.

>As an aside, what mailer are you using? I use MR/2 ICE, and I like the
>filtering
>it has.

Same here.

How do you set up your filter to trash everything that is not addressed to
you personally?  I'd like to do this too.

--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 29 Processes with 119 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 3d 7h 11m 11s 62ms.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Oct-99 00:20:15
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:29:00, "Theo Sinnema" <t.sinnema@tref.nl> 
wrote:

> Hi there all!
> 
> I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield in
> native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Theo Sinnema
> 

To date, there are no known viruses that affect OS/2 (other than a 
couple that were created in a lab, that never got loose). On the other
hand, I have heard that there IS a virus, just for WinNT, which might 
be translatable into something that could nail OS/2 (sure hope not).

I have no idea, if it is any good (ie. *works* ), but I did look at, 
what appears to be a promising program, that is not anywhere near 
ready for "prime time", at:
 http://www.kasperskylab.ru/eng/products/download.htm

It is difficult to tell, exactly what this program has/does as most of
the documentation seems to be in Russian. It does install some sort of
driver, when OS/2 first starts up, that I assume is some kind of 
resident OS/2 thing. It does not install anything specific for 
DOS/WinOS2 sessions. The file scan function also seems to be very slow
(about 45 minutes, for something that takes the IBM Antivirus program 
about 10 minutes).

This WAS the demo program, that I was using, and there is some 
indication that the "real" program does a few things much better than 
the demo.

Anyone got the "real" program? Is it any better??? Does it work?

I am still using the IBM Antivirus program, but it is getting rather 
old, and Symantec is really dragging their heels on releasing a single
user version of NAV for OS/2 (it exists, but it is VERY difficult to 
get, and some people have indicated that it is very similar to the 
WIndows version -> read "doesn't work all that well"  IMO <- ). I am 
still looking for something, at least as good as the IBM AV program 
(ie, it *works*, and there is little, or no system impact).

Anybody???
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: NOSPAMmarshall@attglobal.net                      12-Oct-99 18:36:23
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: "James F. Marshall" <NOSPAMmarshall@attglobal.net>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:29:00 +0200, Theo Sinnema wrote:

:>I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield in
:>native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!

Has anyone tried H+BEDV Antivirus?

It appears to be German and multi-platform:

	http://www.hbedv.com/

Any opinions?


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From: NOSPAMmarshall@attglobal.net                      12-Oct-99 18:39:28
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: "James F. Marshall" <NOSPAMmarshall@attglobal.net>

On 11 Oct 99 19:42:29 BST, Steen Bondo wrote:

:>http://www.nai.com/asp_set/download/dats/mcafee_4x.asp

Virus definition files?


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From: NOSPAMmarshall@attglobal.net                      12-Oct-99 18:43:12
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: "James F. Marshall" <NOSPAMmarshall@attglobal.net>

On 13 Oct 1999 00:20:31 GMT, Doug Bissett wrote:

:>Russian.

Forgive my cold war fears, but I'm not sure I'd want a potential trojan
horse on my computer set to go off upon seeing, not necessarily a virus,
but, say, a "meaningless" string of 11 digits in a subject header.


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From: Brian@webone.com.au                               13-Oct-99 16:47:18
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 06:16:02
Subj: Re: HOWTO: chat scripts?

From: Brian@webone.com.au

JASMINE HAS to be the best way to do this.

Look for  jsm280r.zip on Hobbes etc.

Written in Java it is quick and you can FTP toa server or copy to a disk.

Brian


<380335B2.EDB694B@powertech.no>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo
<bvermo@powertech.no> writes:
>Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:27:02 GMT, Marco Shaw <marco.shaw@nbtel.nb.ca>
wrote:
>>
>> >I'm new to OS/2 admin.  I need to develop a script that gets files newer
>> >than x date, and FTPs all these files to an FTP server, and this must be
>> >done every 4 hours.
>>
>> You need REXX and a library package called RxSock. This all comes with Warp 
4.
>>
>
>It may also be useful to run SWITCHRX.CMD to change to the new Object REXX.
It has
>some new functions which are very useful, such as access to semaphores. It is 
also
>very fast and convenient to use the container classes (tables, arrays, queues 
&c)
>to organize the files you need to transmit.
>
>It is easier to use the REXX ftp API if you do not need all the socket
>capabilities.
>From the online documentation:
>
> The REXX FTP API package is contained in the file rxftp.dll. This dynamic
link
>library (DLL) must be placed in a
> directory listed in your LIBPATH statement in your CONFIG.SYS file. To use
the
>functions in the REXX FTP API
> package, execute this REXX code:
>
> rc = RxFuncAdd("FtpLoadFuncs","rxFtp","FtpLoadFuncs")
> rc = FtpLoadFuncs()
>
> To unload the DLL, you should first call the FtpDropFuncs() function, then
exit
>all CMD.EXE shells. After exiting all
> the command shells, the DLL will be dropped by OS/2 and can be deleted or
>replaced.
>
>
>
>>
>> >What kind of scheduling mechanism does OS/2 (Warp 4) have?
>>
>> It doesn't, but there is a choice of Cron-like utilties on Hobbes which
will
>> do the job.
>>
>
>It certainly does! I have used the scheduler in the bonus pack for years with 
no
>problems. It will allow a wide range of different scheduling options (like
every n
>days, third wednesday in every month, or whatever).
>
>It is also possible to do the scheduling in REXX if it is fairly
straightforward.
>Your batch control program can be started from the startup folder, and stay
in the
>background like any other daemon.
>
>/* REXX timing loop for daily task */
>iScheduled = TIME('S', '22:14:00') /* Convert scheduled time 22:14 to seconds
>after midnight */
>do forever
>  iNow = TIME('s') /* Seconds since midnight */
>  iWait = iScheduled - iNow
>  if iWait < 0 then iWait = iWait + TIME('S', '23:59:59') /* Not until
tomorrow */
>
>  SAY 'Wait' iWait 'seconds, until' TIME('N', iScheduled, 'S')
>  CALL SysSleep iWait
>  'START /B myjob.cmd'
>end
>
>

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      13-Oct-99 09:21:20
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: antivirus software for OS2

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

James F. Marshall wrote in a message to Steen Bondo:

JFM> Virus definition files?

_ _ _ O / _ _C_U_T_ _B_E_G_I_N_ _
      O \
  CLEAN.DAT = Virus definition file

 [C:\neta\VSCANOS2]d clean*

  Volume in drive C is SB_1547MB      Serial number is 2730:3C14
  Directory of  C:\neta\VSCANOS2\clean*

 15-09-99   4.04         216.479           0  CLEAN.DAT
         216.479 bytes in 1 file and 0 dirs    216.576 bytes allocated
     797.349.888 bytes free
_ _ _ O / _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
      O \     C U T  E N D

I'm nut sure what your question is - but I have downloaded <dat-4043.
zip>, which includes:

_ _ _ O / _ _C_U_T_ _B_E_G_I_N_ _
      O \
 clean.dat      |    216479|      188064|15-09-99|04:04
 file_id.diz    |       110|         107|15-09-99|04:04
 internet.dat   |     12124|        2475|15-10-98|03:20
 mcscript.ini   |      5538|        1869|15-09-99|04:04
 names.dat      |    219656|      202546|15-09-99|04:04
 packing.lst    |      1318|         605|15-09-99|04:04
 pkgdesc.ini    |       490|         236|15-09-99|04:04
 readme.txt     |     41323|       14634|15-09-99|04:04
 reseller.txt   |     47702|       14710|15-09-99|04:04
 scan.dat       |   1144069|     1062720|15-09-99|04:04
 validate.exe   |     51200|       24173|15-09-99|04:04
_ _ _ O / _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
      O \     C U T  E N D

And this load I simply copy into C:\neta\VSCANOS2, where the 'old' 
installation were.
--
Steen

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Oct-99 10:47:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:37:34, postmaster@[127.0.0.1] a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> In <7tvldd$t4g$1@yggdrasil.utfors.se>, on 10/12/99 
>    at 03:51 PM, anti-spam.d89-tgl@nada.kth.se (Tobias Gladh) said:
> 
> >I use the same approach (it's very effective), except that I throw away
> >everything that isn't addressed to me. This means I have to have
> >additional filters for the mailing lists before this filter, but it's
> >definitely worth it.
> >I never see the spam, not even the subject, thereby defeating their
> >purpose.
> 
> >As an aside, what mailer are you using? I use MR/2 ICE, and I like the
> >filtering
> >it has.
> 
> Same here.
> 
> How do you set up your filter to trash everything that is not addressed to
> you personally?  I'd like to do this too.

Filter Description: Not Mailed to Me
Search Type: Simple
Search Areas for: To 
  and: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
Process When Message: Doesn't match
Filter Type: Inbound

Desired Actions: Copy to folder "Pitched"
Disposition: Keep message out of the inbox

Put this filter at the bottom of your list of correspondents, so you don't 
lose a piece of mail from someone you know.

And I do my filtering as a two-stage process, starting with the "Not Mailed
To Me" filter. I periodically go through my "Pitched" folder to see if 
there are any multiple mailings with "From" domains or other elements I can
identify to and search on, to add to my "Spammers" filter, which *is* a 
PreFetch filter.

Works great, and I *never* conceal my email address in USENET postings.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            13-Oct-99 11:44:17
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: HOWTO: chat scripts?

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

 ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/ftp/client/jsm285r.zip

Brian@webone.com.au wrote:

> JASMINE HAS to be the best way to do this.
>
> Look for  jsm280r.zip on Hobbes etc.
>
> Written in Java it is quick and you can FTP toa server or copy to a disk.
>
> Brian
>
> <380335B2.EDB694B@powertech.no>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo
<bvermo@powertech.no> writes:
> >Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:27:02 GMT, Marco Shaw <marco.shaw@nbtel.nb.ca>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >I'm new to OS/2 admin.  I need to develop a script that gets files newer
> >> >than x date, and FTPs all these files to an FTP server, and this must be
> >> >done every 4 hours.
> >>
> >> You need REXX and a library package called RxSock. This all comes with
Warp 4.
> >>
> >
> >It may also be useful to run SWITCHRX.CMD to change to the new Object REXX. 
It has
> >some new functions which are very useful, such as access to semaphores. It
is also
> >very fast and convenient to use the container classes (tables, arrays,
queues &c)
> >to organize the files you need to transmit.
> >
> >It is easier to use the REXX ftp API if you do not need all the socket
> >capabilities.
> >From the online documentation:
> >
> > The REXX FTP API package is contained in the file rxftp.dll. This dynamic
link
> >library (DLL) must be placed in a
> > directory listed in your LIBPATH statement in your CONFIG.SYS file. To use 
the
> >functions in the REXX FTP API
> > package, execute this REXX code:
> >
> > rc = RxFuncAdd("FtpLoadFuncs","rxFtp","FtpLoadFuncs")
> > rc = FtpLoadFuncs()
> >
> > To unload the DLL, you should first call the FtpDropFuncs() function, then 
exit
> >all CMD.EXE shells. After exiting all
> > the command shells, the DLL will be dropped by OS/2 and can be deleted or
> >replaced.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >What kind of scheduling mechanism does OS/2 (Warp 4) have?
> >>
> >> It doesn't, but there is a choice of Cron-like utilties on Hobbes which
will
> >> do the job.
> >>
> >
> >It certainly does! I have used the scheduler in the bonus pack for years
with no
> >problems. It will allow a wide range of different scheduling options (like
every n
> >days, third wednesday in every month, or whatever).
> >
> >It is also possible to do the scheduling in REXX if it is fairly
straightforward.
> >Your batch control program can be started from the startup folder, and stay 
in the
> >background like any other daemon.
> >
> >/* REXX timing loop for daily task */
> >iScheduled = TIME('S', '22:14:00') /* Convert scheduled time 22:14 to
seconds
> >after midnight */
> >do forever
> >  iNow = TIME('s') /* Seconds since midnight */
> >  iWait = iScheduled - iNow
> >  if iWait < 0 then iWait = iWait + TIME('S', '23:59:59') /* Not until
tomorrow */
> >
> >  SAY 'Wait' iWait 'seconds, until' TIME('N', iScheduled, 'S')
> >  CALL SysSleep iWait
> >  'START /B myjob.cmd'
> >end
> >
> >

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Oct-99 10:24:27
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:20:31, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) 
a Úcrit dans un message:

snip
> 
> I am still using the IBM Antivirus program, but it is getting rather 
> old...I am 
> still looking for something, at least as good as the IBM AV program 
> (ie, it *works*, and there is little, or no system impact).

Me, too. And I keep asking this question but never see a suitable answer:

If the IBMAV program I paid for continues to function properly, and if 
*all* it needs to keep running into the future is updates to the virus 
signature list, and if such signature lists are generated for other 
programs, why can't someone translate one of those new signature lists into
IBMAV format to run here?

I'd pay for either the updated lists, or the program that did the 
conversion. I've tested just about every AV program for every platform and 
IBMAV works better for my multi-platform work than anything else.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: 900ss@no-spam.dod.no                              13-Oct-99 15:04:10
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: 900ss@no-spam.dod.no

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:24:54, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
Donnelly) wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:20:31, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) 
> a ?crit dans un message:
> 
> snip
> > 
> > I am still using the IBM Antivirus program, but it is getting rather 
> > old...I am 
> > still looking for something, at least as good as the IBM AV program 
> > (ie, it *works*, and there is little, or no system impact).
> 
> Me, too. And I keep asking this question but never see a suitable answer:
> 
> If the IBMAV program I paid for continues to function properly, and if 
> *all* it needs to keep running into the future is updates to the virus 
> signature list, and if such signature lists are generated for other 
> programs, why can't someone translate one of those new signature lists into
> IBMAV format to run here?

Well, the signature files are on different format and developed 
diferently from AntiVirus firm to AI firm. Another thing is that alot 
of the new viruses will not be detected by the old systems, because 
they need new and improwed ways to parse a file to find the new virus,
mostly because of the encrypded and polymorph ways.

> I'd pay for either the updated lists, or the program that did the 
> conversion. I've tested just about every AV program for every platform and 
> IBMAV works better for my multi-platform work than anything else.

Have you used Norman Virus Control? 
I used IBMAV a long time, but use Norman now. (and they are coming 
with a Real-time scanner as well if you like that).

just my .2$


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From: aldel@attglobal.net                               13-Oct-99 11:21:15
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: aldel@attglobal.net (ALDEL)

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-mrtfDm3Dvdnd@localhost>, on 10/13/99 
   at 12:20 AM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

>On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:29:00, "Theo Sinnema" <t.sinnema@tref.nl>  wrote:

>> Hi there all!
>> 
>> I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield
in
>> native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Theo Sinnema
>> 

>To date, there are no known viruses that affect OS/2 (other than a 
>couple that were created in a lab, that never got loose). On the other
>hand, I have heard that there IS a virus, just for WinNT, which might  be
>translatable into something that could nail OS/2 (sure hope not).

>I have no idea, if it is any good (ie. *works* ), but I did look at, 
>what appears to be a promising program, that is not anywhere near  ready
>for "prime time", at:
> http://www.kasperskylab.ru/eng/products/download.htm

>It is difficult to tell, exactly what this program has/does as most of
>the documentation seems to be in Russian. It does install some sort of
>driver, when OS/2 first starts up, that I assume is some kind of 
>resident OS/2 thing. It does not install anything specific for 
>DOS/WinOS2 sessions. The file scan function also seems to be very slow
>(about 45 minutes, for something that takes the IBM Antivirus program 
>about 10 minutes).

>This WAS the demo program, that I was using, and there is some 
>indication that the "real" program does a few things much better than 
>the demo.

>Anyone got the "real" program? Is it any better??? Does it work?

>I am still using the IBM Antivirus program, but it is getting rather 
>old, and Symantec is really dragging their heels on releasing a single
>user version of NAV for OS/2 (it exists, but it is VERY difficult to 
>get, and some people have indicated that it is very similar to the 
>WIndows version -> read "doesn't work all that well"  IMO <- ). I am 
>still looking for something, at least as good as the IBM AV program  (ie,
>it *works*, and there is little, or no system impact).

>Anybody???
>******************************
>From the PC of Doug Bissett
>doug.bissett at attglobal.net
>The " at " must be changed to "@"
>******************************
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
aldel@attglobal.net (ALDEL)
-----------------------------------------------------------
How about F=PROT????

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Oct-99 17:11:17
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:43:25, "James F. Marshall" 
<NOSPAMmarshall@attglobal.net> wrote:

> On 13 Oct 1999 00:20:31 GMT, Doug Bissett wrote:
> 
> :>Russian.
> 
> Forgive my cold war fears, but I'm not sure I'd want a potential trojan
> horse on my computer set to go off upon seeing, not necessarily a virus,
> but, say, a "meaningless" string of 11 digits in a subject header.
> 

IMO, if the Russians (or anybody else) can come up with a superior 
antivirus program, I will use it. 

It is interesting, that a few years ago, the Germans "discovered" 
OS/2, and have produced some GREAT software for it. Now, the Russians 
have also "discovered" OS/2, and seem to be producing some GREAT 
software for it (AWget, is a perfect example). If only the US would 
"discover" OS/2, we might get out of the Windows rut, and everybody 
would be better off.

Just my C$.03 ($.02 US)...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Oct-99 17:11:19
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:24:54, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
Donnelly) wrote:

..snip...
> If the IBMAV program I paid for continues to function properly, and if 
> *all* it needs to keep running into the future is updates to the virus 
> signature list, and if such signature lists are generated for other 
> programs, why can't someone translate one of those new signature lists into
> IBMAV format to run here?
> 
> I'd pay for either the updated lists, or the program that did the 
> conversion. I've tested just about every AV program for every platform and 
> IBMAV works better for my multi-platform work than anything else.
> 
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Buddy
> 
> Buddy Donnelly
> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
> 

Unfortunately, it is not all that simple. Newer viruses require 
different approaches to finding, and fixing them. That means that 
updates to the base program are required, in order to implement those 
new techniques. 

I will use IBM AV, until I find something better, or it just quites 
working.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: bdavis@fn.net                                     13-Oct-99 18:46:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:21:30, aldel@attglobal.net (ALDEL) wrote:

> In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-mrtfDm3Dvdnd@localhost>, on 10/13/99 
>    at 12:20 AM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:
> 
> >On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:29:00, "Theo Sinnema" <t.sinnema@tref.nl>  wrote:
> 
> >> Hi there all!
> >> 
> >> I am looking for antivirus software which also contains a resident shield 
in
> >> native OS2-sessions. PLease help me with this!
> >> 
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >> 
> >> Theo Sinnema
> >> 
> 
> >To date, there are no known viruses that affect OS/2 (other than a 
> >couple that were created in a lab, that never got loose). On the other
> >hand, I have heard that there IS a virus, just for WinNT, which might  be
> >translatable into something that could nail OS/2 (sure hope not).
> 
> >I have no idea, if it is any good (ie. *works* ), but I did look at, 
> >what appears to be a promising program, that is not anywhere near  ready
> >for "prime time", at:
> > http://www.kasperskylab.ru/eng/products/download.htm
> 
> >It is difficult to tell, exactly what this program has/does as most of
> >the documentation seems to be in Russian. It does install some sort of
> >driver, when OS/2 first starts up, that I assume is some kind of 
> >resident OS/2 thing. It does not install anything specific for 
> >DOS/WinOS2 sessions. The file scan function also seems to be very slow
> >(about 45 minutes, for something that takes the IBM Antivirus program 
> >about 10 minutes).
> 
> >This WAS the demo program, that I was using, and there is some 
> >indication that the "real" program does a few things much better than 
> >the demo.
> 
> >Anyone got the "real" program? Is it any better??? Does it work?
> 
> >I am still using the IBM Antivirus program, but it is getting rather 
> >old, and Symantec is really dragging their heels on releasing a single
> >user version of NAV for OS/2 (it exists, but it is VERY difficult to 
> >get, and some people have indicated that it is very similar to the 
> >WIndows version -> read "doesn't work all that well"  IMO <- ). I am 
> >still looking for something, at least as good as the IBM AV program  (ie,
> >it *works*, and there is little, or no system impact).
> 
> >Anybody???
> >******************************
> >From the PC of Doug Bissett
> >doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> >The " at " must be changed to "@"
> >******************************
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> aldel@attglobal.net (ALDEL)
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> How about F=PROT????

Sure can't beat the price, works for me.

Brian Davis (bdavis@fn.net)

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      13-Oct-99 19:55:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: ping.exe

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Hi

Syntaks:   C:\MPTN\BIN\PING.EXE [-?drv] <host> [size [packets]]

    Hvor:
    d       - Aktiv‚r debug.
    r       - G† uden om de normale rutetabeller.
    v       - Vis flere oplysninger. Inklud‚r alle modtagne ICMP-pakker.

    host    - Destination
    size    - St½rrelse p† datadelen af pakken.
    packets - Antal pakker med echo-foresp½rgsler, der skal sendes.

PING.EXE www.cwcom.net 2 2>&1 1
                         ^^^^
So what does these parametres - something with a file called "1", but 
what is the puppose..?
--
Steen

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From: rgriech@swol.de                                   13-Oct-99 21:21:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: ping.exe

From: rgriech@swol.de (Hardy Griech)

On 13 Oct 99 19:55:08 BST, sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo) wrote:
:
> PING.EXE www.cwcom.net 2 2>&1 1
>                          ^^^^
> So what does these parametres - something with a file called "1", but 
> what is the puppose..?

'2>&1' redirects stderr to stdout, i.e. error message usually not
appearing in a redirected output will then appear in it.

Hardy

-- 
VSoup Homepage:                       http://home.pages.de/~vsoup/

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From: jfloewen@artsci.wustl.edu                         13-Oct-99 12:56:08
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: PMSpool and Graphics Printer

From: jfloewen@artsci.wustl.edu (Joe Loewenstein)

I seem to have done something to my printing sub-system.  Trying to print out
from an old PIM (Arcadia / Workplace Companion), I  found that I couldn't. 
Then I discovered that my graphics printer icon was gone.  I rebooted and
before the WPS loaded I was told that PMSpool wasn't working.

The afflicted computer is at my office, so I can't give much more detail. 
What do I need to look for in order to diagnose this.  I'm devoutly hoping
that I won't need to do a reinstall!


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Oct-99 23:23:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:04:20, 900ss@no-spam.dod.no a Úcrit dans un message:

> 
> Well, the signature files are on different format and developed 
> diferently from AntiVirus firm to AI firm.

Which gave rise to my suggestion that someone do a simple format conversion
on them.

> Another thing is that alot 
> of the new viruses will not be detected by the old systems, because 
> they need new and improwed ways to parse a file to find the new virus,
> mostly because of the encrypded and polymorph ways.

Most of the "new viruses" I've taken note of were using highly proprietary 
beds for their action, such as Micro$oft Word and Outlook.


> 
> > I'd pay for either the updated lists, or the program that did the 
> > conversion. I've tested just about every AV program for every platform and 

> > IBMAV works better for my multi-platform work than anything else.
> 
> Have you used Norman Virus Control? 
> I used IBMAV a long time, but use Norman now. (and they are coming 
> with a Real-time scanner as well if you like that).

No, I haven't heard of "Norman". Does it work in OS/2?


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: cubie123@no.spam.ix.netcom.com                    14-Oct-99 01:44:22
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: test

From: cubie123@no.spam.ix.netcom.com (cubie)

test

remove the anti spam 123; and
the no.spam. thanx.

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From: steve.clark@nre.vic.gov.au                        14-Oct-99 04:56:25
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Feature installer woes

From: steve.clark@nre.vic.gov.au

G'day all

I've downloaded Feature Installer Ver 1.2.5 from Software Choice, set up a
C:\features\fisetup\ directory structure as instructed, unzipped firunpkg.zip
into the \fisetup directory and run fisetup.exe.

What do I do next???

My aim is to use the Feature Installer to install the latest Java stuff from
Software Choice.  Am I missing something obvious here?

Cheers

Steve Clark
steve.clark@nre.vic.gov.au 

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      13-Oct-99 23:13:17
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: ping.exe

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Hardy Griech wrote in a message to Steen Bondo:

> PING.EXE www.cwcom.net 2 2>&1 1
>                          ^^^^
'2>&1' redirects stderr to stdout, i.e. error message usually not
HG> appearing in a redirected output will then appear in it.

Aha - maybe one should give "1" a more meaning full name....

HG> VSoup Homepage:                       http://home.pages.de/~vsoup/

Oh.. and I did actually find these parametres in a <vsoup.doc> :-)
--
Steen

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From: 900ss@no-spam.dod.no                              14-Oct-99 07:48:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:09
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: 900ss@no-spam.dod.no

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:23:14, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
Donnelly) wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:04:20, 900ss@no-spam.dod.no a ?crit dans un message:
> 
> > 
> > Well, the signature files are on different format and developed 
> > diferently from AntiVirus firm to AI firm.
> 
> Which gave rise to my suggestion that someone do a simple format conversion
> on them.
> 
> > Another thing is that alot 
> > of the new viruses will not be detected by the old systems, because 
> > they need new and improwed ways to parse a file to find the new virus,
> > mostly because of the encrypded and polymorph ways.
> 
> Most of the "new viruses" I've taken note of were using highly proprietary 
> beds for their action, such as Micro$oft Word and Outlook.
> 
But may still require new detection routines in the scanningengine 
itself, not only in the signature files.
 
> > 
> > > I'd pay for either the updated lists, or the program that did the 
> > > conversion. I've tested just about every AV program for every platform
and 
> > > IBMAV works better for my multi-platform work than anything else.
> > 
> > Have you used Norman Virus Control? 
> > I used IBMAV a long time, but use Norman now. (and they are coming 
> > with a Real-time scanner as well if you like that).
> 
> No, I haven't heard of "Norman". Does it work in OS/2?

Yes it certainly does, and they are working on a realtime version as 
well (I have an alpha version) and it's fast, much faster than mcafee.

-D-


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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      14-Oct-99 02:43:12
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <UzTquBBFVYHy-pn2-ZZ3cOgTsCumI@Zeus>, bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis) writes:

>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:21:30, aldel@attglobal.net (ALDEL) wrote:
>
>> How about F=PROT????

>Sure can't beat the price, works for me.

F-Prot's very nice, and free for personal use, but the free 
version is DOS only and won't see or look in non-8.3 filenames or
directories.

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       14-Oct-99 13:09:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Feature installer woes

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Steve,

Run install.exe as comes out of firunpkg.zip.

Henk

steve.clark@nre.vic.gov.au wrote:
> 
> G'day all
> 
> I've downloaded Feature Installer Ver 1.2.5 from Software Choice, set up a
> C:\features\fisetup\ directory structure as instructed, unzipped
firunpkg.zip
> into the \fisetup directory and run fisetup.exe.
> 
> What do I do next???
> 
> My aim is to use the Feature Installer to install the latest Java stuff from
> Software Choice.  Am I missing something obvious here?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Steve Clark
> steve.clark@nre.vic.gov.au

-- 
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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  14-Oct-99 13:03:19
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>


Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:24:54, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy
> Donnelly) wrote:
>
> ..snip...
> > If the IBMAV program I paid for continues to function properly, and if
> > *all* it needs to keep running into the future is updates to the virus
> > signature list, and if such signature lists are generated for other
> > programs, why can't someone translate one of those new signature lists
into
> > IBMAV format to run here?
> >
> > I'd pay for either the updated lists, or the program that did the
> > conversion. I've tested just about every AV program for every platform and
> > IBMAV works better for my multi-platform work than anything else.
> >
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Buddy
> >
> > Buddy Donnelly
> > donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
> >
>
> Unfortunately, it is not all that simple. Newer viruses require
> different approaches to finding, and fixing them. That means that
> updates to the base program are required, in order to implement those
> new techniques.

"heuristically" speaking that is ? <vbg>

>
>
> I will use IBM AV, until I find something better, or it just quites
> working.
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"




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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              14-Oct-99 07:43:07
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: Feature installer woes

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

You download and install a product. Or were you expecting it to go out
and find things for you?

Graham.

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From: no-spam@no-thanks.net                             14-Oct-99 12:30:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Flight

From: Some Guy <no-spam@no-thanks.net>

Hi.

Does anyone know where I can find training for OS2 Flight? I would
prefer on-line, but classroom-based in southern Ontario, Canada is OK
too.  In a pinch, an URL for online documentation would do.

Thanks

Jim

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     14-Oct-99 17:29:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: antivirus software for OS2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:48:59, 900ss@no-spam.dod.no wrote:

> Yes it certainly does, and they are working on a realtime version as 
> well (I have an alpha version) and it's fast, much faster than mcafee.
>  
> -D-
>  

Well, faster than McAfee would not be all that difficult (IMO). Do you
have a web site, where one can investigate Norman???

Thanks...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     14-Oct-99 17:29:11
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: Feature installer woes

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:56:51, steve.clark@nre.vic.gov.au wrote:

> What do I do next???
>  
> My aim is to use the Feature Installer to install the latest Java stuff from
> Software Choice.  Am I missing something obvious here?
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Steve Clark
> steve.clark@nre.vic.gov.au 

Perhaps, you should run the INSTALL thing that comes with the JAVA 
install files (which you did unzip WITH, at least. -d to recreate the 
directory structure of the instalation files, right?).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      14-Oct-99 22:53:04
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: Flight

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <38060508.38D2634D@no-thanks.net>,
  no-spam@no-thanks.net wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can find training for OS2 Flight? I would
> prefer on-line, but classroom-based in southern Ontario, Canada is OK
> too.  In a pinch, an URL for online documentation would do.

What the heck is "OS2 Flight"?! I haven't heard of such a product.

Anyone care to enlighten me? :)

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: fledermaus@attglobal.net                          15-Oct-99 07:31:05
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Re: Feature installer woes

From: fledermaus <fledermaus@attglobal.net>

Ref:     Append at 17:29:23 on 99/10/14 GMT (by doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net
(Doug Bissett)
I spent about an hour finding JAVA, then another hour finding the installer.
The unzip of installer did not work, so I used prior version of unzip.
The install was somewhat crazy but it seemed to work.
""
There is a great lack of simplicity and a wonderful increase of bloatedness
with each "improvement" of software.

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From: q4543645@fernuni-hagen.de                         15-Oct-99 13:34:09
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: csort?

From: Christian Kuhn <q4543645@fernuni-hagen.de>

Hi,

i have used OS/2 for two years until 1998. Now i have to set up an
OS/2-Machine, and i remember there was a tool csort.exe for sorting
config.sys. But i can't find it. Can anyone send the file or an URL
where i can get it? Thanks a lot.

Kindly regards,
Chris

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From: sbo@hehe.com                                      15-Oct-99 13:21:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: csort?

From: sbo@hehe.com (Steen Bondo)

Christian Kuhn wrote in a message to All:

CK> OS/2-Machine, and i remember there was a tool csort.exe for sorting

It's in your mail box.(Christian Kuhn <q4543645@fernuni-hagen.de>)
--
Steen

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From: donm@ftel.net                                     15-Oct-99 19:58:15
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: csort?

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

In message <3807113B.3DD88BAE@QNo.de> - Christian Kuhn
<q4543645@fernuni-hagen.de> writes:
:>
:>Hi,
:>
:>i have used OS/2 for two years until 1998. Now i have to set up an
:>OS/2-Machine, and i remember there was a tool csort.exe for sorting
:>config.sys. But i can't find it. Can anyone send the file or an URL
:>where i can get it? Thanks a lot.
:>
:>Kindly regards,
:>Chris

I'm sure it's on Hobbes...   hobbes.nmsu.edu

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From: bschwand@dvart.com                                15-Oct-99 13:47:08
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: Print to graphic [was Re: METAFILE CONVERTION]

From: bruno schwander <bschwand@dvart.com>

the best in my opinion is to print to a postscript file using a postscript
printer
driver.
then use ghostscript to create an EPS file from it.

I love postscript, if anything goes wrong, you can always look at the source
code :-)

bruno

Mat Kramer wrote:

> A more general question: is there a printer driver that will allow
> output to be saved as a file and then imported into Word 97 as a
> graphic?  Word will import HPGL -- which driver should I use for that?
>
> bv wrote:
> > You could get the Windows metafile into an OS/2 metafile format simply by
> > printing it under WinOS/2 and intercepting the spoolfile. The spoolfile is 
an
> > OS/2 metafile, but it is probably not in a format your application will be 
able
> > to handle.
> >
> > I think the best way is to convert them to a format like EPS, and exchange
> > that. This should work for some types of metafiles.
>
> --
> Mat Kramer [MekTek] mek@compuserve.com
> VyperHelp: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mek/vyper.htm

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From: dmaceld@i-55.com                                  15-Oct-99 16:36:29
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Mac Eld <dmaceld@i-55.com>

The only problem with that is many spammers use fake addresses. Your idea
will backfire as you get hundreds of 'undeliverable' notices back. :-( I
may be wrong but I suspect that many spammers who do use legit addresses
want you to respond. That validates the accuracy of your address. Then
you'll never stop getting spam from them and whoever else they share your
address with. I've found the best solution is to just ignore the msgs.

Ray Appleby wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
>
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their
> mailing list.
>
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
>
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.



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From: bschwand@dvart.com                                15-Oct-99 14:39:28
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: Pipe to a null device

From: bruno schwander <bschwand@dvart.com>

can you change that file name ?

if not, I just thought of something: use TVFS, it allows you to make links
to files
you could probably then make a link named whatever_logging_filename
pointing to /dev/null

bruno

javester@my-deja.com wrote:

> Guys,
> Is there a way to issue a command that will capture output destined for
> a file to a null device?
>
> We have this program that has a logging function that cannot be turned
> off.
>
> Problem is, after an hour or two, it fills up the hard drive and I'm
> not interested in the log anyway.
>
> Not only does it fill up the drive, I'm convinced its a performance
> bottleneck since it has to do I/O for each and every operation.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
> Joel
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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