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From: srd@x.mcmail.com                                  11-Oct-99 00:38:02
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: PMView v2.00.15859 - Screen Capture Problems

From: Steve Drewell <srd@x.mcmail.com>

Today, I noticed a few problems with PMView beta 2.00.15859 but before
mentioning anything the the author, I'd appreciate it if someone could
confirm that a problem exists or not.

When I do a screen dump, the resulting image is not identical to the
original. Text in particular shows a difference where, depending on the
font size, text appears bolder or slightly fuzzy/blurred in the captured
image.

When a full screen dump is taken, pressing F3 to view the captured image
full screen results in what appears to be a slightly "squashed" image
where the captured image is slightly down at the top and slightly up at
the bottom. It should overlay the original image exactly. Again, there is
a slight blurriness to the image.

When a full screen image is captured, image info indicates that the size
is 1152x864. When the image is saved (takes a very long time....anyone
else noticed this?) and reloaded, image info indicates that the size is
1163x864. Where did those 11 extra pixels in the horizontal direction come
from?

It's been many months since I last did a screen dump, but back then there
wasn't a problem (can't remember which version I was using). So, if
another PMView beta tester can be kind enough to confirm or deny that a
problem exists, I'd appreciate it.

In case it's relevant, I'm using an original 2MB Millennium with v2.31.100
drivers running at 1152x864x16.

Cheers,
Steve
-- 
Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
_____________________________________________________________
Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 22 processes with 120 threads.
Machine uptime is 1 day, 13 hours, 40 mins and 49 secs.
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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               10-Oct-99 19:45:04
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: PMView v2.00.15859 - Screen Capture Problems

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

Where can I down load that beta?

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:38:05 +0100, Steve Drewell wrote:

>Today, I noticed a few problems with PMView beta 2.00.15859 but before
>mentioning anything the the author, I'd appreciate it if someone could
>confirm that a problem exists or not.
>
>When I do a screen dump, the resulting image is not identical to the
>original. Text in particular shows a difference where, depending on the
>font size, text appears bolder or slightly fuzzy/blurred in the captured
>image.
>
>When a full screen dump is taken, pressing F3 to view the captured image
>full screen results in what appears to be a slightly "squashed" image
>where the captured image is slightly down at the top and slightly up at
>the bottom. It should overlay the original image exactly. Again, there is
>a slight blurriness to the image.
>
>When a full screen image is captured, image info indicates that the size
>is 1152x864. When the image is saved (takes a very long time....anyone
>else noticed this?) and reloaded, image info indicates that the size is
>1163x864. Where did those 11 extra pixels in the horizontal direction come
>from?
>
>It's been many months since I last did a screen dump, but back then there
>wasn't a problem (can't remember which version I was using). So, if
>another PMView beta tester can be kind enough to confirm or deny that a
>problem exists, I'd appreciate it.
>
>In case it's relevant, I'm using an original 2MB Millennium with v2.31.100
>drivers running at 1152x864x16.
>
>Cheers,
>Steve
>-- 
>Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
>_____________________________________________________________
>Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 22 processes with 120 threads.
>Machine uptime is 1 day, 13 hours, 40 mins and 49 secs.
>_____________________________________________________________
>
>



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From: srd@x.mcmail.com                                  11-Oct-99 01:10:13
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: PMView v2.00.15859 - Screen Capture Problems

From: Steve Drewell <srd@x.mcmail.com>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 at 19:45 (EDT), "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:

>Where can I down load that beta?

If your a registered user, it may be worth taking a look at
http://www.pmview.com. However, it's been mentioned that PMView 2.0 will
be released very soon, so even if you are registered, you may be better to
wait a week or two and get the non-beta version.

Cheers,
Steve
-- 
Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
_____________________________________________________________
Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 22 processes with 119 threads.
Machine uptime is 1 day, 14 hours, 16 mins and 29 secs.
_____________________________________________________________


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              10-Oct-99 18:46:23
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: PMView v2.00.15859 - Screen Capture Problems

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

If you actually want a response, I suggest you post it to the mailing
list. This is a closed beta, Peter isn't going to go hunting around
newsgroups looking for bug reports.

Graham.

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From: dana@randomc.com                                  11-Oct-99 02:46:24
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Warpstock '99 Atlanta, GA USA

From: dana <dana@randomc.com>

we use os2 all the time, and unix also.





***** **************************************************
"Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It's 
just very particular about who it makes friends with."

On 6 Oct 1999 tholenAntiSpam@ifa.hawaii.edu wrote:

> Date: 6 Oct 1999 02:57:53 GMT
> From: tholenAntiSpam@ifa.hawaii.edu
> Newsgroups: atl.forsale, comp.os.os2.advocacy, comp.os.os2.apps,
>     comp.os.os2.beta, comp.os.os2.bugs
> Subject: Re: Warpstock '99 Atlanta, GA USA
> 
> Sam Brown writes:
> 
> > shit wake up nobody uses os/2 any more??
> 
> Why are you using question marks at the end of a declarative sentence?
> 
> By the way, somebody does use OS/2.  Looks like the readers here are
> not the ones who need to wake up.
> 
> 

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               10-Oct-99 22:44:13
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: PMView v2.00.15859 - Screen Capture Problems

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:10:26 +0100, Steve Drewell wrote:

>>Where can I down load that beta?
>
>If your a registered user, it may be worth taking a look at
>http://www.pmview.com. However, it's been mentioned that PMView 2.0 will
>be released very soon, so even if you are registered, you may be better to
>wait a week or two and get the non-beta version.

I am registered for the 1x version, so I will be heading over, and book
marking as well.
thanks


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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            11-Oct-99 10:02:05
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: PMView v2.00.15859 - Screen Capture Problems

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Graham C. Norris wrote:

î If you actually want a response, I suggest you post it to the mailing
î list. This is a closed beta, Peter isn't going to go hunting around
î newsgroups looking for bug reports.

Good idea, and one I thought of immediately after posting the original
message. I have now signed up to the list, although a bit late I'll admit,
and upon accepatnce will resend my original message.

Cheers,
Steve

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From: tsikora@htfds1.ct.home.com                        11-Oct-99 14:17:22
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:19
Subj: IBM Linux!

From: Ted Sikora <tsikora@htfds1.ct.home.com>

Hi,
Are there any newsgroups for IBM's Linux apps yet? I installed the
VisualAge for Java Linux edition and am surprised at how stable it is.
I had a few problems with the JDK-1.1.6 for Linux but otherwise it's
fine. I have ViaVoice also. Looks like IBM may be switching allegiance 
to a new OS. I can't help but feel OS/2 is definitely at it's end.

Regards,
--
Ted Sikora
tsikora@tiac.net
http://tsikora.tiac.net

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                11-Oct-99 09:42:03
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:19
Subj: Re: IBM Linux!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Ted Sikora <tsikora@htfds1.ct.home.com> said:

>I have ViaVoice also. Looks like IBM may be switching allegiance 
>to a new OS. I can't help but feel OS/2 is definitely at it's end.

Maybe.  In any event, IBM saw bucks in Linux apps., but I'd bet good money
they
will drop Linux as soon as the cash curve slips.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: tsikora@htfds1.ct.home.com                        11-Oct-99 18:02:07
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: IBM Linux!

From: Ted Sikora <tsikora@htfds1.ct.home.com>

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
> 
> Ted Sikora <tsikora@htfds1.ct.home.com> said:
> 
> >I have ViaVoice also. Looks like IBM may be switching allegiance
> >to a new OS. I can't help but feel OS/2 is definitely at it's end.
> 
> Maybe.  In any event, IBM saw bucks in Linux apps., but I'd bet good money
they
> will drop Linux as soon as the cash curve slips.
Of course.

As for OS/2 I think IBM was surprised this past year. They were hoping
to
bring OS/2 to a quiet end but lo and behold sales increased. In fact
sales were well above their predictions. Unfortunately they do not know
what to do. OS/2 does not figure in their future corporate picture so
now they may be tempted to deliberately kill it off. Software Choice
will no longer be free, including Netscape. Actually with continued
fixpaks and possibly a lower price($150 for 2-3 years like a new
release) this would be a good idea. Provided OS/2 is continually
updated(wholeheartedly) along with current additions such as Netscape,
Java, and tools like Visual Age for Java. Sort of like Linux and Open
source projects ie; Gnome, Mozilla, etc. No actual releases but
continual development. This could be the future for all software.

> 
> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.

--
Ted Sikora
tsikora@tiac.net
http://tsikora.tiac.net

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                12-Oct-99 19:38:04
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:12
Subj: Re: IBM wants us to pay for java and netscape????

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <Pine.GSO.4.10.9910121453320.26096-100000@shell3.shore.net>,
Ariel <arnews@dsgml.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
>
>> Now there's something I'd very much like to see in Netscape
>> preferences.  The ability to turn off wiggle graphics and NOT get
>> piles of error messages!!!!!!!
>
>To make gif animations stop after one cycle, read this page:
>http://simmons.starkville.ms.us/tips/081097/
>
>In short, search for NETSCAPE2.0 and for ANIMEXTS1.0 and change them to be
>something else - I just changed the . to a , (in netscape.exe).
>
>       -Ariel
>
>PS. Use a binary safe editor.
>


FANTASTIC! IT WORKS! In netscape 4.61ga strong encryption you won't find the
exact strings above. You will find NETSCAPE2.0 and ANIMEXS1. though and
altering on character disables animations after one iteration!

THANKS for the tip, Ariel!


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From: will@premier.net                                  12-Oct-99 11:21:26
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Aurora beta & desktop objects

From: "Will Luikart" <will@premier.net>

Since installing Aurora beta a while back I have hoticed that most (if not
all) of the *cmd files I used with Warp 4 for creating desktop objects do not
work with the Aurora desktop. Does anyone know why this is and what can be
done to remedy it? Thanks in advance....

Will


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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            12-Oct-99 18:05:10
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: IBM Linux!

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:17:45 GMT, Ted Sikora wrote:

>to a new OS. I can't help but feel OS/2 is definitely at it's end.

come on, we had enough of this discussion in the past ten years...

some people will continue using OS/2 (for example me) and I am more than
happy with it.

cu

Adrian


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From: arnews@dsgml.com                                  12-Oct-99 15:00:12
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: IBM wants us to pay for java and netscape????

From: Ariel <arnews@dsgml.com>

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> Now there's something I'd very much like to see in Netscape
> preferences.  The ability to turn off wiggle graphics and NOT get
> piles of error messages!!!!!!!

To make gif animations stop after one cycle, read this page:
http://simmons.starkville.ms.us/tips/081097/

In short, search for NETSCAPE2.0 and for ANIMEXTS1.0 and change them to be
something else - I just changed the . to a , (in netscape.exe).

	-Ariel

PS. Use a binary safe editor.

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From: omurata@ga2.so-net.ne.jp                          13-Oct-99 22:51:08
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: IBM Linux!

From: Tadashi Ohmura <omurata@ga2.so-net.ne.jp>

>
> Are there any newsgroups for IBM's Linux apps yet? I installed the
> VisualAge for Java Linux edition and am surprised at how stable it is.
> I had a few problems with the JDK-1.1.6 for Linux but otherwise it's
> fine. I have ViaVoice also.

If you had installed JDK-1.1.6 for Linux,
try IBM's JDK-1.1.8 for Linux also.

http://www.ibm.com/java/jdk/download/index.html

--

     Tadashi Ohmura ( $BBgB<(B $BCi;K(B )
                      E-mail : omurata@ga2.so-net.ne.jp
  5-3-4 kaijin  Funabashi City  Chiba Pref.  273 JAPAN


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             13-Oct-99 19:53:28
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: IBM Linux!

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:02:15 GMT, Ted Sikora wrote:

> Actually with continued
>fixpaks and possibly a lower price($150 for 2-3 years like a new
>release) this would be a good idea. Provided OS/2 is continually
>updated(wholeheartedly) along with current additions such as Netscape,
>Java, and tools like Visual Age for Java. Sort of like Linux and Open
>source projects ie; Gnome, Mozilla, etc. No actual releases but
>continual development. This could be the future for all software.

I'll believe this one when I start seeing things like multi-media
updates on Software Choice. For instance, the fabled OS/2 version of
ViaVoice might tempt me into paying for SWC.


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From: tsikora@htfds1.ct.home.com                        14-Oct-99 12:51:07
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: IBM Linux!

From: Ted Sikora <tsikora@htfds1.ct.home.com>

Tadashi Ohmura wrote:
> 
> >
> > Are there any newsgroups for IBM's Linux apps yet? I installed the
> > VisualAge for Java Linux edition and am surprised at how stable it is.
> > I had a few problems with the JDK-1.1.6 for Linux but otherwise it's
> > fine. I have ViaVoice also.
> 
> If you had installed JDK-1.1.6 for Linux,
> try IBM's JDK-1.1.8 for Linux also.
> 
> http://www.ibm.com/java/jdk/download/index.html
>
 
Thanks. Just got it.

Regards,
--
Ted Sikora
tsikora@tiac.net
http://tsikora.tiac.net

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From: tkayser@ibm.net                                   14-Oct-99 21:39:02
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: IBM wants us to pay for java and netscape????

From: Terry Kayser <tkayser@ibm.net>

Jeffery,

You make a lot of good points, all of which I can neither prove nor disprove.  
Which doesn't
make any difference.  By now most people know you don't need to be the "BEST"
in business to
become a success.  Just take Microsoft for instants.  You just have to know
how to shovel the BS
and who to shovel it to.

If OS/2 has an almost non-existent effect on IBM's bottom line, then why try
and get rid of it?
Why start charging us for upgrades (I should of said fixes)?  If it doesn't
effect IBM's bottom
line, why bother?

If IBM doesn't want OS/2 anymore they should just say so and get it over with. 
 They should just
come out and say "We made a mistake, we don't know how to package a desktop
operating system and
we apologize."  Then give everybody that bought OS/2 their money back. :>

OS/2 is great.  I use it all the time.  The only Windows program I have is
Quicken and as soon
as I can find a checkbook program I like, I'll be getting rid of that.  Even
though I think OS/2
is great, it still doesn't change the fact that OS/2 is dying.  It won't die
off next month or
next year.  But eventually it will and everybody will have to switch to a
different operating
system.  I really hope I'm WRONG!  IBMs OS/2 server won't be far behind in
dying off either.
Come what may, I'll still be using OS/2 as long as I have a wordprocessor,
database and
spreadsheet that work with it.  After all I still use my Coleco Adam from time 
to time.

I don't know Akers or Gerstner or what they did or didn't do for IBM.  But I
do know that like
Akers, Gerstner will move on one day.  Maybe even replaced by someone like
Akers or dare I say
it, someone that is interested in packaging and selling a desktop operating
system like OS/2.
NAH!

"Of course we haven't even touched upon the Linux potential which IBM is
totally committed to."
If IBM is as committed to Linux as they where to OS/2, Linux users "BEWARE." 
If I was a Linux
user I would be starting a campaign to keep IBM as far away from Linux as
possible.  To tell you
the truth I would rather have Microsoft committing to Linux than IBM.  At
least with Microsoft
you know where you stand.  Not this wishy washy stuff from IBM.

Don't be surprised if one day your IBM stock says "IBM another fine company
owned by Microsoft."
:>  After all wasn't Big Blue numero uno at one time?  The unquestionable IBM? 
 IBM could do no
wrong?

Well I could go on for days, but I won't.  When you and everybody else
replies, please be
gentle.

Terry


Jeffery Swagger wrote:

> Oh horse hockey.  OS/2's effect on IBM's bottom line is almost
> non-existent.  S/390, AS/400, chip manufacturing, services and software
> for the Microsoft platform dominant their revenue streams.  S/390 and
> AS/400 are both essentially IBM only markets.  Either one is the
> platform of choice for the explosive e-business market.  And if you
> doubt that then simply compare Charles Schultz (S/390) experience vs
> eBay (Sun).  IBM consulting, custom software and out-sourcing services
> are high-profit and in high-demand.  IBM is the world's low-cost,
> high-quality, chip manufacturer.  And guess who is the world's largest
> software publisher for the Microsoft platform?  Hint:  It's not
> Microsoft.  And, like or not, that is a huge market.  Of course we
> haven't even touched upon the Linux potential which IBM is totally
> committed to.  And who owns more intellectual property patents than
> anybody else?  That right, IBM.
>
> The bad old days of John Akers are long gone.  Whatever I believe to be
> unfortunate and mis-guided decisions regarding OS/2, Gerstner has placed
> IBM to be the leading technology company of the next century.  IBM
> shares are definitely buy and hold.
>
> ----
> Jeff
>
>    I still miss my ex, but with this laser sight...


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From: tkayser@ibm.net                                   14-Oct-99 21:50:04
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: IBM wants us to pay for java and netscape????

From: Terry Kayser <tkayser@ibm.net>

Jeffery,

You make a lot of good points, all of which I can neither prove nor
disprove.  Which doesn't
make any difference.  By now most people know you don't need to be the
"BEST" in business to
become a success.  Just take Microsoft for instants.  You just have to
know how to shovel the BS
and who to shovel it to.

If OS/2 has an almost non-existent effect on IBM's bottom line, then why
try and get rid of it?
Why start charging us for upgrades (I should of said fixes)?  If it
doesn't effect IBM's bottom
line, why bother?

If IBM doesn't want OS/2 anymore they should just say so and get it over
with.  They should just
come out and say "We made a mistake, we don't know how to package a
desktop operating system and
we apologize."  Then give everybody that bought OS/2 their money back.
:>

OS/2 is great.  I use it all the time.  The only Windows program I have
is Quicken and as soon
as I can find a checkbook program I like, I'll be getting rid of that. 
Even though I think OS/2
is great, it still doesn't change the fact that OS/2 is dying.  It won't
die off next month or
next year.  But eventually it will and everybody will have to switch to
a different operating
system.  I really hope I'm WRONG!  IBMs OS/2 server won't be far behind
in dying off either.
Come what may, I'll still be using OS/2 as long as I have a word
processor, database and
spreadsheet that work with it.  After all I still use my Coleco Adam
from time to time.

I don't know Akers or Gerstner or what they did or didn't do for IBM. 
But I do know that like
Akers, Gerstner will move on one day.  Maybe even replaced by someone
like Akers or dare I say
it, someone that is interested in packaging and selling a desktop
operating system like OS/2.
NAH!

"Of course we haven't even touched upon the Linux potential which IBM is
totally committed to."
If IBM is as committed to Linux as they where to OS/2, Linux users
"BEWARE."  If I was a Linux
user I would be starting a campaign to keep IBM as far away from Linux
as possible.  To tell you
the truth I would rather have Microsoft committing to Linux than IBM. 
At least with Microsoft
you know where you stand.  Not this wishy washy stuff from IBM.

Don't be surprised if one day your IBM stock says "IBM another fine
company owned by Microsoft."
:>  After all wasn't Big Blue numero uno at one time?  The
unquestionable IBM?  IBM could do no
wrong?

Well I could go on for days, but I won't.  When you and everybody else
replies, please be
gentle.

Terry


Jeffery Swagger wrote:

> Oh horse hockey.  OS/2's effect on IBM's bottom line is almost
> non-existent.  S/390, AS/400, chip manufacturing, services and software
> for the Microsoft platform dominant their revenue streams.  S/390 and
> AS/400 are both essentially IBM only markets.  Either one is the
> platform of choice for the explosive e-business market.  And if you
> doubt that then simply compare Charles Schultz (S/390) experience vs
> eBay (Sun).  IBM consulting, custom software and out-sourcing services
> are high-profit and in high-demand.  IBM is the world's low-cost,
> high-quality, chip manufacturer.  And guess who is the world's largest
> software publisher for the Microsoft platform?  Hint:  It's not
> Microsoft.  And, like or not, that is a huge market.  Of course we
> haven't even touched upon the Linux potential which IBM is totally
> committed to.  And who owns more intellectual property patents than
> anybody else?  That right, IBM.
>
> The bad old days of John Akers are long gone.  Whatever I believe to be
> unfortunate and mis-guided decisions regarding OS/2, Gerstner has placed
> IBM to be the leading technology company of the next century.  IBM
> shares are definitely buy and hold.
>
> ----
> Jeff
>
>    I still miss my ex, but with this laser sight...

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