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From: folsen@csc.dk                                     09-Oct-99 11:32:02
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:26:29
Subj: OS/2 , NT4 and Bootmanager

From: "finn olsen" <folsen@csc.dk>

Hi

We have at lot of pc's with a 4Gb ide disk, they are running like this

Bootmanger from OS/2
C: OS/2 primary             1,5Gb
C: Win95 primary           1,5Gb
D:  to document              1Gb

New konfiguration should be
Bootmaneger from OS/2
C: OS/2 primary              1,5GB
C: NT 4.0 primary           2.0GB
D: to documents               0,5GB

The problem are that either NT or OS/2 not boot. We have tryid to move
bootmanger to last partion, bu that didnt work at all.

Do you have any idea's whats go wrong??? Are where I can find some
whitepapers on the problem.

Best Regards
Finn


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From: R.Pronk@twi.tudelft.nl                            09-Oct-99 12:10:25
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:26:29
Subj: SB Live and OS/2

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= Pronk <R.Pronk@twi.tudelft.nl>

Will it work?? And how??

Bye,

René

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From: nps@zeta.org.au                                   09-Oct-99 10:38:26
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:01
Subj: Stylus 300 prints blanks

From: nps@zeta.org.au (Alvredus)

I have an Epson Stylus Color 300 with a colour cartridge. I tried out
the printer's self-test function, and it prints the self-test perfectly.
However, if I ever try to print something from OS/2, all I can ever get
is a sequence of blank pages. I have tried both the OMNI (11th August
1999) and EPOMNI (1st November 1998) drivers. The former claims to work
with this printer; I used Stylus Color 600 for the latter, though I seem
to recall reading somewhere that the EPOMNI driver would work with the
300.

I've tried printing a plain text file by "copy file.txt lpt1:" from the
command prompt, and also printing to a file from WebExplorer, then
copying this file to LPT1:. Printing plain text this way always worked
fine with my old Epson LQ-570+ (same cable, same printer port, same
OS/2 -- Warp 4.0, Fixpack 10), but with the new printer I just get empty
pages.

Any ideas? Thanks for any help offered.

	Nik S.


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From: gail.koontz@quancon.com                           09-Oct-99 06:53:26
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:01
Subj: Yamaha CD-RW?

From: "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com>

I'm considering taking advantage of the sale at Indelible Blue and buying one
of these drives. I have a choice between replacing an internal IDE CD drive
or adding an external SCSI drive. Is there any compelling reason to do one
rather than the other?

 
Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com



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From: gail.koontz@quancon.com                           09-Oct-99 06:50:04
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:01
Subj: Linksys NIC?

From: "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com>

I'm considering buying a Linksys Fast Ethernet Starter Kit which includes two
EtherFast 10/100 LAN Cards. I've been assured by Linksys technical support
that there is a downloadable driver for the card, and IBM's device driver
site supports that. However, the tech rep also said that there was little
installation help for OS/2 and that you're pretty much on your own if you
have problems.

Has anyone had experience with this card? Any other suggestions?


Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com



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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     09-Oct-99 12:56:06
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:01
Subj: Re: OS/2 , NT4 and Bootmanager

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:32:05 +0200, finn olsen wrote:

->Hi
->
->We have at lot of pc's with a 4Gb ide disk, they are running like this
->
->Bootmanger from OS/2
->C: OS/2 primary             1,5Gb
->C: Win95 primary           1,5Gb
->D:  to document              1Gb
->
->New konfiguration should be
->Bootmaneger from OS/2
->C: OS/2 primary              1,5GB
->C: NT 4.0 primary           2.0GB
->D: to documents               0,5GB
->
->The problem are that either NT or OS/2 not boot. We have tryid to move
->bootmanger to last partion, bu that didnt work at all.

This sounds like a problem with booting from outside the first 2GB of the
disk. OS/2 Warp 3 certainly has this problem unless you obtain a later
version of UHPFS.DLL and SYSINSTX.COM and run them against the boot
partition to replace the boot records. It sounds like NT has a similar
problem. Go to http://hobbes.nmsu.edu and search for gt2gbw3.zip and use
the files from there to do that and then you _should_ be able to use the
following setup I think

Boot Manager
C: NT 4.0 primary 2.0Gb
C: OS/2 primary 1.5Gb
D: documents 0.5GB


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: benji00@ibm.net                                   09-Oct-99 03:20:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:24
Subj: MediaOne Cable Modem & Injoy

From: benji00@ibm.net

Hi,
I just signed up for the new MediaOne RoadRunner
cable modem service coming through my area and I was
wondering how to use Injoy with the network I got at
home. unfortunately I have to put Windooze 95 on one
of these machines in order for the tech to come out
and install the Cable modem and setup the service.
What I would like to do though is delete the crap
after he leaves and setup the machine with OS/2
again. I presently have the SOHO of Injoy vr. 2.2 and
would appreciate any suggestions.

My network config is as follows:

Subnet        192.168.0.XX
Netmask      255.255.255.0

router (which is computer #1) -----
 (192.168.0.1)
#1 computer - AMD K6-2/350 64 Mb OS/2 E-Business
Serverver (192.168.0.2)
#2 computer - Intel 586-120 96MB OS/2 Warp4 FixPack 9
(192.168.0.3)
#3 computer - AMD K6 166  96Mb  OS/2 Warp4 FixPack 9
(192.168.0.4)

Side note: At present I can not ping the server from
the server or any other machine but Netbios is fully
operational, I haven't figured out why I can't ping
yet.

--
Bob Bencivenga
OS/2 Die Hard
Flying with OS/2 E-Business Server /
Smart Suite v1.11 / Netscape v4.04 /Injoy v2.2 /
Pmview v1.5 /Warpzip v2.1


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          09-Oct-99 02:33:12
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: test

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:08:05, aballard@ix.netcom.com (Allan B.) wrote:

:test. please delete.

 No. Tests belong in alt.test or misc.test

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          09-Oct-99 02:33:14
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: startup.cmd

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:51:03, gdfitzpat@smartt.com (Doug Fitzpatrick) 
wrote:

:In message <WiQtt4WDEbXf-pn2-yWDJR2TuTxkd@vcn4.pm3-1.chey.wy.vcn.com>
:- piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) writes:
::>:> Type EXIT at the end of the file.
:
:
:This worked thanks.
:
::>Klaatu barada nikto
:
:Help me out here. What is the meaning of this? Klaatu was a rock band
:of the 
:late 70's/ early 80's. I think I have a couple of their cassettes.

 "Klaatu barada nikto" is from a 1950 (1951) movie called 'The Day the
Earth Stood Still."

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                07-Oct-99 23:40:14
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: Warp 3.0 and fix pak for Y2K

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 Jerry A. Jelinek wrote:

> I need some simple assistance in getting the proper files from the IBM
> support site.

> I Have Warp 3.00 Connect and I've never applied a Fix Pak to it before. I
> recently found out that I need a fix pak to get my OS upto date with Y2K
> compatibility.

> I have tried to navigate the IBM web site, but I keep going around in
> circles. Could some kind soul please email me the proper ftp or html links
> for the files I need to get my beloved Warp upto date?

Go to http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warp_year2000.html, pick the
appropriate components you use and follow the links there.

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     09-Oct-99 08:13:24
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

In <37fde322$1$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>, on 10/08/99 
   at 04:12 PM, "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> said:

I have noticed that once accessed under OS/2, my SCSI-CD driver doesn't
shut off until I either eject the CD-ROM or reboot the machine.  A 40x
creates just enough vibration with the out-of-blance devcon cd's to make
the outer case hum.

Roland

>Anyone else noticed this? After applying FP12 to my Warp 4 machine I am
>getting very strange sounds from my HDD. At the very end of boot
>sequence, just after the screen is cleared from drivers' boot messages
>and before the blue PM color appears - my hard disk now makes a long
>harsh ar-r-r-r sound like its heads are trying to go past the disk
>surface :-). The sound lasts for 5-6 sec, boot then proceeds normally and
>everything works fine, but I'm really scared to reboot my machine now, I
>am not sure how long my HDD will survive this kind of "surface testing".
>Needless to say, I've run checkdisk and GTU disk checker several times
>with no errors of any kind reported.

>The system is AMD K6-266, ASUS P55T2P4 mobo with 128M RAM, Tekram DC-390F
>UW SCSI adapter and WD 3.4G UW SCSI attached (it also has second EIDE WD
>3.6G disk, used for storage only). Device drivers are left at FP10 level,
>e.g. I did not apply DD Fixpack. Other hardware includes ESS1868 sound
>card, two NICs (Realtek 8029 and DEC 41021 chipsets) and Matrox Millenium
>I PCI video. The only device driver that was upgraded simultaneously with
>applying FP12 is Matrox one, now at v.2.31.100.

>Cheers,
>Ivan


-- 
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From: abacab@swissonline.ch                             09-Oct-99 13:44:03
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Building remote installation diskettes for ThinkPad 600E

From: Francois Hurter <abacab@swissonline.ch>

Hi,  
I am trying to build the three remote installation diskettes for my ThinkPad
600E.  
After having declared what NIC I am using, I have to choose the PCMCIA
support, but my    
laptop does not appear in the list.  
How can I know what drivers I have to add to the diskettes (and on which ones) 
and what    
do I have to update in the config.sys ?  
Or is there another and easier procedure ?  
TIA  
Francois  
 


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From: N.H.Carter@bris.ac.uk                             09-Oct-99 13:03:01
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: Hard drive wont play games. Help.

From: "Nick Carter" <N.H.Carter@bris.ac.uk>

Games CDs are protected from piracy in a way which prevents you from running
them from HD. If they are older DOS games, you can use a CD-faker program
like 0CD.com or FakeCD.com to emulate the CDrom, but these do not work in
Win95. There may be CD emulators for Win95 but I haven`t seen any.
Mark <mark@premark.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7tcrvd$vj9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hi
> I have 3 hard drives I am using on a computer with
> Windows 95. But this computer does not have a
> CD Rom drive and I would like to reconfigure one of
> the drives to make the computer think that the drive
> is a CD Rom drive so that I can play the games I have
> installed on it.
>
> The problem is I have copied games to my Windows 95
> pc from the CD Rom drive on my Windows 98 pc. The
> games are copied to the hard drive (all of the files on the
> cd are copied) and are successfully installed, but when
> I initialize the game and press 'play' I get an error message
> telling me that the CD cant be found, even though all of the
> necessary files are there on the hard drive.
>
> Maybe Im doing it all wrong. Can a hard drive be used in
> place of a CD Rom drive in this way? I would appreciate
> any advise. Thank you.
> MARK.
>
>


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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                09-Oct-99 09:38:09
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: Yamaha CD-RW?

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

Gail,

First question is:

Do you have a SCSI adapter in your machine, if not you will have to buy
one of those, too (obvious, I know)

If you have the adapter, does it have an external connector.

If it has an external connector, don't forget you may need to buy a
cable, not always cheap.

If it is IDE, do you have an available IDE port


All that said,

The external is nice if you ever need to take it to some other machine
to tranfer data

The internal is nice because it is neat and sanitary looking, nothing
dangling on the outside.

SCSI more effectively decouples writing activities from other
activities, but all modern eide drives (coupled with a reasonable
processor/motherboard) have no problem.

I have an external SCSI CDrom which my son periodically hauls off to
other locations to assist in installs... but for myself, I regard it as
an oversized mouse dangling from the case by its tail.  But if it has
been internal, my son would have been very unhappy (in retrospect)...
and my machine might have been subject to regular "surgery".

Why did I buy it?  It was unbelievably cheap at the time!

YMMV.

Ron (enjoying retirement in Maryland)


> I'm considering taking advantage of the sale at Indelible Blue and buying
one
> of these drives. I have a choice between replacing an internal IDE CD drive
> or adding an external SCSI drive. Is there any compelling reason to do one
> rather than the other?

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From: wcs@dumbguy.earthling.net                         09-Oct-99 13:52:11
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: Yamaha CD-RW?

From: wcs@dumbguy.earthling.net (Will Smith)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:53:53, "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com> 
wrote:

> I'm considering taking advantage of the sale at Indelible Blue and buying
one
> of these drives. I have a choice between replacing an internal IDE CD drive
> or adding an external SCSI drive. Is there any compelling reason to do one
> rather than the other?
> 
>  
> Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
> 836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
> Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com
> 
> 
> 

  In 3 words "GO FOR IT".   I replaced my internal IDE
CDR with an external SCSI Yamaha unit and wish I had
gone the SCSI route instead of the IDE route in the first place.
I don't think you will be sorry.

B.T.W.  The Yamaha 6416s unit is very nice.  Check the
cabling requirements.  I got mine home and found that I
needed a cable to connect it.  The external Yamaha unit
does not have 50 pin Centronix connectors on it.  It has
the smaller 50 pin D-sub connectors.[SCSI-II}.


  Bill
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Education does not equal intelligence.
Intelligence is common sense.
There is very little intelligent life on Earth.
Microsoft would not rule the desktop, if there was!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: stantowianski@home.com                            09-Oct-99 16:34:06
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:21
Subj: OS/2 driver for AVA-2902A for cd-rw

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

Hi,

I just bought a Smart & Friendly CD-RW Turbowriter
and it comes with an Adaptec AVA-2902A fast pci-scsi adapter.

I want to use this in OS/2 and Linux.  Anyone know of a driver
for this?  Is there a driver that will work that's listed under a
different
card series name (78x0, 7850/ 7860), etc...

Any help would be appreciated.
Please email as well as newsgroup.
Thanks.

Stan Towianski
stantowianski@home.com


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From: andy@schiller.big.ac.at                           09-Oct-99 18:37:03
  To: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: NT with Warp 4 - Progress

To: Ian Johnston <engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk>
From: andy <andy@schiller.big.ac.at>


Ian Johnston schrieb:

> First of all, many thanks to all those who gave help here and in email.
>
> This evening I used FDISK to create a second primary partition on my
> HD and set it startable. I then tried to install NT. No problem at
> all with seeing drives and partitions and so on, but at the point where
> it is supposed to reboot with a basic GUI for the Setup Wizard the
> machine hangs with just a flashing cursor.
>
> Rebooted OS/2 from floppy, set Boot Manager startable and all is
> hunky dory again.
>
> I guess my problem is an NT one so I'll ask in that area. If anyone has
> any bright ideas, do let me know. Hardware is BM (7MB) + Primary C:
> (1GB) HPFS + Logical D: (2GB HPFS) + Freespace (5GB) on SCSI device 0.
>
> Once more, many thanks for your help.
>
> Ian

I've had a similar problem, I was unable to set the bootmanager as an
active Partition. Try to set it active with fdisk under NT (or with
win9X-start disk).

Greetings
        Andreas

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From: andy@schiller.big.ac.at                           09-Oct-99 18:50:04
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: Which fixpacks?

From: andy <andy@schiller.big.ac.at>


huekf@my-deja.com schrieb:

> Hi!, I am new to OS2 W4 and having this soundcard problem.
> I have tried to set-up the s/card using the Selective Install |
> multi-media| removed the default -soundblaster Pro MV & selected the
> Sound Galaxy Wave32# and ..........and finally rebooted .

I think the best option if the driver is on the OS/2 CD (without further
problems) will be to delete multimedia components and to reinstall it.
(through the installation program).

> But the changes to the new card does not happens so i have tried
> numerous times without any success.
>
> Has this to do with the fixpacks?

might be but I don't believe this will help.

> If so which versions do I use?
> -do I use the latest Fixpacks#11?

The fixpacks make OS/2 more stable and sometimes add new functions such
as the Gradd drivers which came with fix 5.

> Thanks.
> HUEKF

greetings
        Andreas

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From: mwalsh1@elp.rr.com                                09-Oct-99 11:02:09
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: Linksys NIC?

From: "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com>

I've got one on my home network and it's fine.  Never a problem with OS/2.

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 06:50:09 -0400 (EDT), Gail Koontz wrote:

>I'm considering buying a Linksys Fast Ethernet Starter Kit which includes two
>EtherFast 10/100 LAN Cards. I've been assured by Linksys technical support
>that there is a downloadable driver for the card, and IBM's device driver
>site supports that. However, the tech rep also said that there was little
>installation help for OS/2 and that you're pretty much on your own if you
>have problems.
>
>Has anyone had experience with this card? Any other suggestions?
>
>
>Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
>836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
>Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com
>
>
>


Matt Walsh  El Paso, TX
Computin' & Shootin' in the dust.


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From: gail.koontz@quancon.com                           09-Oct-99 13:09:22
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: Yamaha CD-RW?

From: "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com>

On 9 Oct 1999 13:52:22 GMT, Will Smith wrote:

>  In 3 words "GO FOR IT".

You've confirmed my gut feeling. Thanks for your reply!

  
Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com



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From: gail.koontz@quancon.com                           09-Oct-99 13:17:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: Yamaha CD-RW?

From: "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com>

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:38:18 -0400, Ron Vopicka wrote:

>First question is:
>
>Do you have a SCSI adapter in your machine, if not you will have to buy
>one of those, too (obvious, I know)
>If you have the adapter, does it have an external connector.

My motherboard provides an external SCSI connection as well as two internal
ones.

>If it has an external connector, don't forget you may need to buy a
>cable, not always cheap.

That's OK - I'm a relatively rich retiree. :-)

>If it is IDE, do you have an available IDE port

I would just substitute it for one of my two IDE CD-ROM drives.

Thanks for your reply. I'm leaning toward an external SCSI unit for my
machine and an internal IDE one (replacing a regular CD-ROM drive) for my
husband's.


Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com



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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            09-Oct-99 17:28:24
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack_try QF11

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <37FAC186.60B0A46F@my-deja.com>, on 10/06/99 
   at 03:31 AM, luistino <luistino@my-deja.com> said:


>I cannot remember where I downloaded from, probaly hoobes, look for
>Qf11.zip

There is a small bug in this program which I don't know has been fixed. In
the file called install.fil, your archive directory won't be correctly
input; you have to modify this file by hand. I believe the newest version
also handles fixpak zip files. 

I got this info from some helpful sources. I used QF last week to install
FP11 on my laptop and I'm going to use it to install FP12 soon on my
desktop.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Oct-99 21:19:21
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: Warp 3.0 and fix pak for Y2K

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:09:01, williamd1@ibm.net (williamd) wrote:

> Is it *only* the fixpacks that are needed to make 3.0 compliant? I've
> read things that seem to suggest this is all that's needed, but I've
> also been advised to upgrade TCP/IP as well. I'm not sure whether the
> latter is required for y2k, or just desirable an a general upgrade? I
> am at fp 40 applied from the BMT Micro cd. It does also contain an
> upgrade for TCP/IP, but seems to indicate this is only for Warp 4?
> 
> Bill
> 
> __
> williamd1@ibm.net

I am not sure if you really need the TCPIP updates, or not. It 
certainly doesn't hurt to put the updates on (although this can be a 
frustrating experience <g>). There is (was?) a package, that someone 
created, to update the warp3 TCPIP to a good level (I don't hink it is
the latest, but it is a good level). Look for TCPIPUP.ZIP, at HOBBES. 
This package is (was) set up to extract onto an HPFS partition (it 
used long file names for some intermediate files, including the 
instructions), but once you get it decompressed, the actual update 
files just replace the original files.

Be aware that many other things affect Y2K compliance. You should 
verify that:
The hardware can handle the year 2000.
All of your installed software will handle the year 2000 (not just the
op system).
You are using your Y2K compliant software, in a Y2K compliant manner.
Any system that may interface to yours (even by diskette) is Y2K 
compliant.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: cguldber@eunet.no                                 10-Oct-99 00:37:03
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: ThinkPad 600 E and DIVE

From: "Cato A. Guldberg" <cguldber@eunet.no>

Dear OS/2-friends,

    Can anybody help me with this problem? I have an IBM ThinkPad 600 E
with a NeoMagic 256 AV video controller (I am using the latest
OS/2-drivers from IBM).  I'm having trouble running certain games in
OS/2, for example Entrepeneur  and B.U.G.S. The screen colors are very
funny, almost like a color negative. I have been advised to perform an
operation similar to turning off EnDIVE (Matrox), but how do I do this
on my machine?

    Any help would be deeply appreciated.

Yours,

Cato.
--
Cato A. Guldberg, M.D.
Oscar Wistings gate 61 B
N-4019 STAVANGER, Norway.
Phone:    +47 51 58 23 35
Fax:      +47 51 52 50 03
e-mail:   cguldber@eunet.no


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From: j.p.besamusca@students.nospam.wa...               10-Oct-99 01:54:00
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: Warp 3 fixpaks & fonts

Message sender: j.p.besamusca@students.nospam.warande.uu.nl

From: "Hans Besamusca" <j.p.besamusca@students.nospam.warande.uu.nl>

Hi Bill,

I remembered reading somewhere that ttf was only supported from Warp 4
onwards.
Hans
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:51:57 GMT, williamd1 wrote:

>I have Warp 3 & fp 40 (I think), but do not seem to have support for
>ttf fonts. Shouldn't I be able to use them now? Running syslevel shows
>040 for the fixpaks & base OS only. The MM & graphics engine are at
>300. Is this normal, or am I only partially at the fp40 level? What
>file(s) should I expect to see that indicate ttf support?
>
>Finally, are there ATM fonts available that look better than the
>originals? Mostly I'm concerned about the font selection in my 4.61
>browser, but would also like more variety overall.
>
>Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>Bill
>
>__
>williamd1@ibm.net



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From: Cityboy@Spam-No-More.Net                          09-Oct-99 18:11:09
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Word6 CBT trick 

From: Cityboy@Spam-No-More.Net

>Anybody know how to get the Word 6 tutorials to install and run in
>Win-OS2? I heard there was a trick, but I can't find it, and they won't
>go now.

Ah Yes! The trick is run WinOS/2 in a specific DOS version, ie. some
version of MS-DOS. Read up on VMDISK in the OS/2 command reference to
find out how to do it.  When the Word install runs it will then think
it is being run in "real" DOS/Windows and install the tutorials and
the CBT. Microsnot has something in there to detect OS/2 and prevent
the help and training from being installed. With the specific DOS VDM
it can't tell.

--
-----------------------------------------------------------
cityboy@concentric.net
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From: wcs@dumbguy.earthling.net                         10-Oct-99 00:14:01
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Yamaha CD-RW?

From: wcs@dumbguy.earthling.net (Will Smith)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:09:45, "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com> 
wrote:

> On 9 Oct 1999 13:52:22 GMT, Will Smith wrote:
> 
> >  In 3 words "GO FOR IT".
> 
> You've confirmed my gut feeling. Thanks for your reply!
> 
>   
> Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
> 836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
> Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com
> 
> 
> 

  One other thing that I have to say about and internal vs.
and external unit.  The internal unit is powered on all the
time and builds up dust.  This is what killled my last internal
unit after 20 months and 2 RMA replacement units.  I can power 
down the external unit and turn it on when I want to use it.  
That is, as long as it is powered on during system boot.  
I am using RSJ CD wrtiter software with OS/2.  I am not sure 
if you can do the same with other OS/2  CD writer programs 
or not.  I am happy with RSJ and have not looked at anything 
else.  Not having to leave the unit powered
on will reduce the amount of dust buildup in the unit and hopefully
this will last longer than the internal unit that I had. 
  Keep us posted on your experiences.

  Bill
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Education does not equal intelligence.
Intelligence is common sense.
There is very little intelligent life on Earth.
Microsoft would not rule the desktop, if there was!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: teerexx@my-deja.com                               10-Oct-99 00:18:10
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Problem printing to LexMark Optra Color 40

From: Marco A. Morales <teerexx@my-deja.com>

I am having a problem printing to my LexMark Optra Color 40.  I have
PMView 1.05, and I am trying to print an image as a poster.  The
original image is about 2200x3200 (wxh), and I am trying to print it,
in color, at a size of 28 inches x 40-some odd inches.

Here is the error that my printer produces:

ERROR: limitcheck
OFFENDING COMMAND: colorimage

STACK:

/colorimage
savetype


This error is printed on the document, and a little bit of the image is
printed from the first page only.  I have turned spooling on and off,
and I have this in my config.sys:

PRINTMONBUFSIZE=2048,256,0

My swap file is very large (128MB).  I have varied some of the printer
settings for PostScript Level 1 compatibility.

I can print images if they are small.  I printed out this image at 4
inches (width) by 5 inches (or so).

I really want to get this figured out, as I am using this poster for my
Halloween costume (I am going as a playing card).

I have the September 1999 version of the Lexmark driver.

Thanks!

-Marco A. Morales

--
Don't buy Microsoft software!
---------------------------------------------
Something Big is in THE WORKS!


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: jms%email.de%email.de%email.de@b...               09-Oct-99 17:28:04
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: USB printer ?

Message sender: jms%email.de%email.de%email.de@bromo.email.ch

From: jms%email.de%email.de%email.de@bromo.email.ch (Jens)

Today I bought a lexmark Z51 and it works perfectly good !

Any idea how to attach it with USB ? I have installed USB basic 
support, but I think a port driver (.PDR) is missing ? In the printer 
settings, USB is not listed as a port.

Jens

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From: spice@attglobal.net                               09-Oct-99 21:24:18
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Install Disk 1 hang on IBM1S506.ADD - solution found!

From: Darrell Spice <spice@attglobal.net>

Hi!

I've been attempting to install OS/2 on my new Thinkpad 1452 for the 
past couple of weeks.  The problem I was running into was that 
IBM1S506.ADD was hanging during the installation process.  I had heard 
to try the DANIS506 driver, which I did.  The hang still happened.

I spoke with Daniela Engert, author of DANIS506, and she has found the 
solution to the hang!  She mentioned that this hang has occurred on 
other systems, such as Acer TravelMates.  She's applied the fix in the 
most current release of DANIS506, release 1.0.8.

I'm in the process of writing up install instructions for the Thinkpad 
1452. I hope to have them up on Dr. Martinus' OS/2 Notebook site early 
next week. If you're have a 1452, the second install problem I ran 
into was Advanced Power Management.  Do not install this, or your 
system will hang.


Darrell Spice Jr.       --==> http://www.geocities.com/~spiceware <==--
  *  Retro-Gaming for OS/2!  Stop by the SpiceWare homepage for 
classic
     80's video game console emulators (Atari, Coleco, and Sega)
  *  OS/2 programming and Apple Newton <--> OS/2 info also available.



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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              09-Oct-99 21:10:25
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Linksys NIC?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Used them both at work and at home. Only problems I've had is with two
NICs in one machine and persuading PnP not to stick one of them on top
of something important (like the RTC or mouse). This message coming to
you via one LinkSys NIC right now!

Graham.

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From: fritzo@humboldt.net                               09-Oct-99 22:03:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:19
Subj: disk image file extraction

From: fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger)

I downloaded all the FP40 disk images.
My floppy drive is broke.

What do I use to extract the files so I can run SERVICE on it?
 

fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA

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From: rlalla@stepnet.REMOVETHIS.de                      10-Oct-99 09:56:29
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 05:08:22
Subj: Re: USB printer ?

From: "Robert Lalla" <rlalla@stepnet.REMOVETHIS.de>

On 9 Oct 1999 17:28:09 GMT, Jens wrote:

>Any idea how to attach it with USB ? I have installed USB basic 
>support, but I think a port driver (.PDR) is missing ? In the printer 
>settings, USB is not listed as a port.

So far there does not exist an USB printer class driver for OS/2.

--
RL



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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           10-Oct-99 09:26:16
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: NT with Warp 4 - Progress

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

Final report, again with thanks all those who posted and emailed help.

I now have NT4 working perfectly happily on the same machine as Warp 4. This 
is how I did it:

* Started:      BM
	     C: Primary (1GB HPFS) - W4 System
	     D: Logical (2GB HPFS) - W4 Data
	        Free Space

1) created a 1GB logical partition on a spare disk which was unused

2) xcopied my entire OS/2 system partition (C:) to Disk 2

3) zipped my entire data partition (D:) to Disk 2. 
   (no reason not to xcopy or zip both, but thought I'd compare speed)

4) booted from OS/2 floppies (created with bootos2 using the 2disk option,
   giving room on the second disk for xcopy and unzip...)

5) deleted all but the Boot manager partition from Disk 1

6) created 1GB Primary + 1GB Primary + 2GB Logical on Disk 1, all at the
   start of free space.

7) set second primary partition as C:

8) rebooted from floppies, formatted C: (primary) and D: (Logical) as HPFS

9) using fdisk, set the first primary partition as C:

10) rebooted, this time installing the Windows NT install disk

11) installed NT on the first primary partition without problems

12) rebooted to NT. Problems: it thought that it was installed on E;,
    and that the second primary partition was C:, which it tried to
    write a paging file to. So much for the claims in the OS/2 install
    guide that OS's can only see one primary partition per disk.

13) Solution: Used Disk Adminstrator to hide the false C: and assign 
    drive letter C to the right partition (the first primary one on the disk).
    NT then ran fine.

14) boot from OS/2 floppies again, assign C: to the second primary
    partition, and reboot

15) xcopy the original OS/2 installation back from Limbo to C:, unzip
    data files back to D:

16) use fdisk to set Boot Manager as startable and add both primary 
    partitions to its menu.

* Final	          BM
	       C: Primary (1GB NTFS) - NT System
	          Primary (1GB HPFS) - W4 System
	       D: Logical (2GB HPFS) - W4 Data
                  Free space

Last of all, I reformatted the partition on Disk 2 as FAT, so I can use it to
share data between OS/2 and NT when required.

The problems I was having seem to be a combination of two related factors:

1) Windows NT wants to be able to write to the first primary partition on
   the drive.

2) Windows NT is quite capable of seeing more than one primary partition,
   so you can't fool into ignoring an HPFS primary partition.

Why didn't I just reinstall OS/2? Well, it would have taken ages, and it 
seemed sensible to make use of the spare SCSI disk lurking around, which 
I had almost forgotten. Warp ended back, as far as it's concerned, on C: and
D:, so the setup could be identical.

The process looks longwinded, but only took about half an hour of fiddling,
half an hour of installing NT, and two hours of waiting for xcopy and
zip/unzip to do their stuff.

Once again, many thanks to many people for invaluable advice.

Ian

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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           10-Oct-99 09:29:06
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: OS/2 , NT4 and Bootmanager

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

finn olsen (folsen@csc.dk) wrote:

: Bootmaneger from OS/2
: C: OS/2 primary              1,5GB
: C: NT 4.0 primary           2.0GB
: D: to documents               0,5GB

: The problem are that either NT or OS/2 not boot. We have tryid to move
: bootmanger to last partion, bu that didnt work at all.

My recent experience is that NT *must* be able to write to the first 
primary partition on the disk, so if your OS/2 C: above is HPFS, NT
will be unhappy.

IAn

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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             10-Oct-99 13:15:15
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:37:58, "Mackan" <Mackan@SpamMeNot.se> wrote:

> Hello there
> 
> I was trying to install the fixpack (fixpack 11 for os/2 warp 4.) , not
> using diskettes or the web.

 < snip >
 
> Any suggestions how to succseed in applying a fixpack is very helpful.
> I have applyed the FIXpack 7 on this computer, but that was a year ago, and
> I did use disketts then, but I hade disketts,
> so I wanna figure this out, so I don't have to use the disks.
> Why havn't IBM figured out an easy way to upgrade OS/2.
 
The easiest & quickest way that I have found is to download the *.zip
files from the RSU site and then follow the instructions given in an
article by Walter Metcalf.

http://os2.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa111898.htm

BTW, don't bother with FP11, go for FP12

-- 
Dave

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From: nps@zeta.org.au                                   10-Oct-99 10:32:18
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: disk image file extraction

From: nps@zeta.org.au (Alvredus)

In <37fff437$1$sevgmb$mr2ice@news.humboldt.net>, fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz
Oppliger) writes:

>I downloaded all the FP40 disk images.
>My floppy drive is broke.
>
>What do I use to extract the files so I can run SERVICE on it?

The /os2/system/patches/fixpack directory on Hobbes has several utilities
to do this. I used SimplyFix to apply Warp 4 FP 10 and it worked very
well.

Hope this helps.

	Nik S.


|\ Location: Sydney, Australia      | FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in     

|\ E-mail: nps@zeta.org.au          | what is told by one who speaks without   

|  WWW: http://www.zeta.org.au/~nps | knowledge, of things without parallel.   

|  ---> Cynicism & Negativity       |                                          

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      10-Oct-99 02:27:07
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: Warp 3 fixpaks & fonts

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <wcorfnzhfpnfghqragfjnenaqrhhay.fjdhq10.pminews@news.warande.uu.nl>, "Hans
Besamusca" <j.p.besamusca@students.nospam.warande.uu.nl> writes:

>I remembered reading somewhere that ttf was only supported from Warp 4
>onwards.

Truetype support in Warp v3 began around FP32.  Before that, you 
could use Truetype with Warp v3 if you could crib a copy of the
TRUETYPE.DLL file from a Warp v4 user and then tweak the
PM_Font_Drivers application in your OS2.INI to use it.  But 
shortly after Warp v4 came out, Freetype/2 also became available 
and actually seems to do a better job than IBM's TRUETYPE.DLL. 
I've been using Freetype/2 on my Warp v3 systems for several 
years now.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: stantowianski@home.com                            10-Oct-99 14:19:22
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

Hi,

Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
quicky/crappy drivers?

Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
Which is a good one?
and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?

I saw a note saying DPT dropped support for their newer UW2 cards
and ICP-Vortex from Germany fully supports OS/2 (but who sells those
here).

Please email and newsgroup.
Thanks.

stantowianski@home.com


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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                10-Oct-99 17:46:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

A good, cheap alternative you might want to look into are the
NCR/Symbios cards; I've picked up a simple 53c810-based card to hang
my CDs off of, and I'm very happy with it.  Works with OS/2, Linux,
and the catastrophic WinNT 4 too.  You can find a card with a more
advanced chip that'll allow you to boot off SCSI too.  I don't know
how support is or will be, but the existing drivers for OS/2 work
fine.  


On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT, Stan Towianski wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>quicky/crappy drivers?
>
>Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
>Which is a good one?
>and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
>
>I saw a note saying DPT dropped support for their newer UW2 cards
>and ICP-Vortex from Germany fully supports OS/2 (but who sells those
>here).
>
>Please email and newsgroup.
>Thanks.
>
>stantowianski@home.com
>
>

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 10-Oct-99 10:28:03
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

[Posted and e-mailed]

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>quicky/crappy drivers?

I have an Adaptec 2940U here on this box and a 2940UW on the other OS/2
box here at home, and I've never had problems or quirkiness.

I know other folks who have used Adaptec controllers with no problems.

Why do you believe Adaptec cards have problems under OS/2?

>Please email and newsgroup.

That's not standard procedure, but I'll fork it to you anyway.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
        "It's certainly uncontaminated by cheese." - Monty Python

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    10-Oct-99 16:08:25
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Stan Towianski (stantowianski@home.com) wrote:

: Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
: Which is a good one? and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?

	Well, Initio sells some nice cheap SCSI cards.  They have Fast 
SCSI-2, Ultra, and UltraWide models.  I know the SCSI-2 one went for $90 
CDN, while the Ultra went $100 CDN a few weeks ago.  They have Linux 
support at their website as well as OS/2 drivers for them (I have the Ultra).


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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             10-Oct-99 13:26:15
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

I have Adaptec Ultra2 SCSI on my Asus P2B-LS motherboard. It seems to work
fine with everything (Seagate Cheetah hd, internal NEC CD-ROM drive,
external SyQuest EZflyer) except my Seagate tape drive, for which I use a
separate cheap SCSI card. But this is not an OS/2-specific problem: I have
heard of many people doing this with other operating systems as well.

The one inconvenience (perhaps it can be classed as a bug) is that when the
machine did not shut down cleanly and HPFS partitions need to be cleaned up
on bootup, the automated execution of CHKDSK is amazingly slow. I find it
much quicker to boot from a maintenance partition, run CHKDSK manually on
the dirty partitions, then reboot to the normal Warp 4 partition.

Alan

Richard Steiner wrote:

> I have an Adaptec 2940U here on this box and a 2940UW on the other OS/2
> box here at home, and I've never had problems or quirkiness.
>
> I know other folks who have used Adaptec controllers with no problems.
>
> Why do you believe Adaptec cards have problems under OS/2?

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            10-Oct-99 17:37:04
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <GCLA4oHpvmWU092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:


>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>>quicky/crappy drivers?
>
>I have an Adaptec 2940U here on this box and a 2940UW on the other OS/2
>box here at home, and I've never had problems or quirkiness.
>-- 
>   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN

Likewise, I've never had any trouble with the 2940U, the 2940UW, the
2940UW Pro ... even the 3940UW dual hardware channel cards!

Then I hit the embedded Adaptec chipset on the ASUS motherboards and the
2940UW2 ... the latest incantation of the Adaptec 2940 cardset ...

At the present time we are going through the entire bit of proof and
system re-construction testing with both the embedded controller and the
latest 2940UW2 card.  We had to give up totally on the embedded chipset.
We still haven't given up totally on the latest model 2940 series card.
There seem to be all kinds of irregularities in these Adaptec
implementation of their product line which do not interface with the
Seagate Scorpion 4M DAT cartridge tape units.

There is an entire thread along this same paralell going on in the
usegroup comp.os.os2.apps right now with the BA/2 product herald.  It
has been a lot of work getting all the data into focus there and I
don't want to start a similar thread here..

One of the key issues in testing this stuff is that the latest Adaptec
drivers they furnish are much larger file sizes than the older ones.
There isn't enough room on the utility disks to hold these driver files.
Thus, if you want to even use the later drivers, you have to figure out
what you can pull off the utility disks to work with them. Further, if
you do use them on your hard disk, simply making up a new set of utility
disks is a problem, because the creation process can't fit all the stuff
on that disk with the newer Adaptec drivers as well ..


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         10-Oct-99 18:32:19
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT, Stan Towianski wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>quicky/crappy drivers?
>
I never had many problems with a 2940 card.

>Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
>Which is a good one?
>and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
>
I think the Tekram cards are pretty good. I'm using one at the moment.
I think they are significantly cheaper than the Adaptec ones.


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 10-Oct-99 11:22:27
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: SB Live and OS/2

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.setup.misc, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= Pronk
<R.Pronk@twi.tudelft.nl> spake unto us, saying:

>Will it work?? And how??

The last card that had formal support from Creative Labs was the AWE32,
and there were AWE64 beta drivers in progress when they decided to drop
OS/2 support (and some folks have gotten them to work).

To my knowledge, the Live is a completely different card.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                 You cannot enter the same river once.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 10-Oct-99 11:21:00
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: **Attention, Motherboard & OS/2

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.setup.misc, "Dan Egli" <ninja@xmission.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>I have to disagree on Shuttle. At least some of shuttle's older boards are
>HORRID. Especially the 591p! It REALLY SUCKED!

I dunno, my 486 here (the firewall box) is still running strong after
seven years, and it's using a Shuttle mommyboard (c. 1992).  :-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
         Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!"

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                10-Oct-99 20:22:15
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Dialer app like INJOY for NT???

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

Hello all,
Forgive me for asking such a thing here, but I really like Injoy and
am searching for something half as useful for my NT partition.  Do
any of you multi-boot types out there have a recommendation?  
Thanks!
Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: heloman@my-deja.com                               10-Oct-99 18:01:02
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:56:29
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: heloman@my-deja.com

In article <3800A099.2515E391@home.com>,
  Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
> quicky/crappy drivers?
>
> Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
> Which is a good one?
> and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
>
I am currently using a Buslogic (now owned by Mylex Corp) KT958
controller board. It is connected to a Fujitsu MO, Internal Zip,
Toshiba CD-Rom, IBM and Maxtor hard drives. It works without ANY
problems to this date.  IF you don't plan on running Ultra Scsi2
then this card should work for you. I recently tried to upgrade
my drive and by mistake I was sent a Ultra2. This card didn't
handle it well. It will do Ultra and Wide..Just the other day
upgraded the Bios and Firmware for the card from the mylex site.
Driver is a little on the old side but it still works o.k. The
card has 50 and 68 pin capability. As always your mileage may
vary..Good Luck!


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: jules@goes.com                                    10-Oct-99 14:35:07
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: jules@goes.com (Jules Greenstein)

        I recently installed the GRADD0.80 display drivers in my Warp 4 Fixpak
11 Matrox Millenium system.
        
        Now I would like to uninstall them and return to my Matrox 2.31
drivers.  Can someone tell me how?
        
        Simply changing my CONFIG.SYS to my previous Matrox version doesn't do
the job.  I get a System Stopped with a DOSCALL1 fault.  (Removing CONFIG
rerences to Process Commander doesn't help).
        
         I had decided to try the GRADD because of problems getting a WIN-OS2
window into my Comm4.61.
        With the latest GRADD I cannot get a WIN-OS2 window to install at all.
 (It appears invisibly and I have to kill it with Process Commander).
         Even more important, I have lost the ability to magnify my screen
with an MGA Hotkey which was a major virtue of the Matrox driver.
         
         Can someone advise me on:
          1. Uninstalling the GRADD and re-installing the Matrix, or
          2. Getting the GRADD to give me a seamless Win-os2 in and out of
Netscape and giving me the ability to magnify the screen with a hotkey.

           Thanks.
         


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From: Unknown                                           10-Oct-99 21:13:04
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Colin Brace <cbrace@lim_.nl

In <3800A099.2515E391@home.com>, on 10/10/99 
   at 02:19 PM, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com> said:

> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
> quicky/crappy drivers?

I had a lot of problems (lockups) with the Adaptec 78u2w driver, a scsi
HD, and my scanner. apprently the driver is flaky. I would stay away from
Adaptec. I've heard good things about Tekram...

-- 
  Colin Brace <cb 'at' lim.nl>
  Amsterdam
  http://www.lim.nl


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From: cbrace@lim.nl                                     10-Oct-99 21:18:22
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Colin Brace <cbrace@lim.nl>

In <s01jm5chh1s48@corp.supernews.com>, on 10/10/99 
   at 05:37 PM, mike.luther@ziplog.com said:

> Then I hit the embedded Adaptec chipset on the ASUS motherboards and the
> 2940UW2 ... the latest incantation of the Adaptec 2940 cardset ...

> At the present time we are going through the entire bit of proof and
> system re-construction testing with both the embedded controller and the
> latest 2940UW2 card.  We had to give up totally on the embedded
> chipset.

I had a lot of problems with this controller too, in particular with my
scanner. Is there any way of completely disabling it? At one point I tried
a 2nd controller, a Tekram PCI, but I kept having conflicts with my
network card, so I returned it.

-- 
  Colin Brace 
  Amsterdam
  http://www.lim.nl


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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          10-Oct-99 19:25:02
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Dave {Reply Address in.sig} (noone@llondel.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT, Stan Towianski wrote:

: >Hi,
: >
: >Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
: >quicky/crappy drivers?
: >
: I never had many problems with a 2940 card.

: >Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
: >Which is a good one?
: >and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
: >
: I think the Tekram cards are pretty good. I'm using one at the moment.
: I think they are significantly cheaper than the Adaptec ones.

I've heard some pretty good things about the Tekram cards.
However, my local shop told me that it has some odd problems vs. the
Adaptec. The one he mentioned was that the Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't update
BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards, but were fine with the Adaptec.

If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The Tekram's
are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.

I'm planning to use it for CD-R, Scanner and in the future, bootable Hard
Drives. Recommendations welcome!


Isaac

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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                10-Oct-99 18:27:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:13:28, Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Doug Bissett wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:07:59, Robert Dohrenburg
> > <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
> > > controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
> > > works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.
> > >
[snip]
> > 
> > Are you sure you got that right??? It is known that a SLAVE, without a
> > MASTER, will sometimes work with older OS/2 IDE drivers, and with
> > windows systems, but it will NOT work (it should NEVER work, under any
> > circumstances) with the later OS/2 IDE driver.
> > 
> > The basic rule (for each controller), is that if a controller has a
> > single device attached, it MUST be a MASTER. If there is a second
> > device attached, it MUST be a SLAVE. If your device won't work, as a
> > single device on the interface, as a MASTER, then it is breaking the
> > rules, especially, if it does work as a SLAVE, without a MASTER.
> 
> Just an update on my reply.
> 
> This is what I get from rmview:
> 
> /START
[snip]
> 
>     Adapter: IDE_1 ST506/IDE Controller
>     Device Type: MS-IDE         Bus/Width: PCI 16 BIT
>     IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
>     I/O = 0X0170  Len =   8  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
>     I/O = 0X0376  Len =   1  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
> 
>       Device: HD_0 Hard Drive   FIXED  DISK
> 
>       Device: ATAPI_0 IDE CDROM Drive   FIXED  CDROM
> 
[snip]
> 
> /END
> 
> I dont have a secondary master, so why is rmview reporting a "Hard
> Drive"?

IBM1S506 has /FORCE and /GEO() parms which it automatically uses if
there isn't a master on the adapter.  It sets up a "drive" whose
CHS geometry is 0,0,0 (presumably to comply with the "rules").

I used to have a tired old 2x CD attached to my tired old 486-PCI
mb that took IBM1S506 several minutes to find until I made it the
secondary slave with no secondary master.  Thereafter, it took about
30 seconds to find.  Using the /!R (noreset) parm for the controller
and /ATAPI for the device may have helped also.  It worked/I was happy.


   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

                |             - DragText v3.1 -
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Ft Myers, FL    |  New!  Pickup & Drop for text, and more...
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___________________________________________________________________

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From: jerryw12@home.com                                 10-Oct-99 19:54:28
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Yamaha CD-RW?

From: jerryw12 <jerryw12@home.com>

hi there

    my 2cents

            my YAMAHA  4416s internal scsi on an adaptec 2940 scsi card has
been
great,
i also use the rsj software, no complaints here

Gail Koontz wrote:

> I'm considering taking advantage of the sale at Indelible Blue and buying
one
> of these drives. I have a choice between replacing an internal IDE CD drive
> or adding an external SCSI drive. Is there any compelling reason to do one
> rather than the other?
>
>
> Gail Koontz             Retired in my home state
> 836 Mallard Rd.          . . . and loving it!
> Cocoa, FL 32926 gail.koontz@quancon.com

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From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net                              10-Oct-99 21:01:19
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net (Harald Portig)

I am using a Tekram DC-390F with only a Yamaha 4416 CD-RW attached and
haven't had any problems with either (using RSJ CD burner software).  
Before attaching the Yamaha I tried attaching an external JAZ 2Gb 
drive for a day and had no problem there either.

When the system boots, the SCSI card reports that a BIOS is not 
installed.  I was told that this is expected when no hard drives are 
attached to the adapter.  Also I have not tried to update the BIOS on 
either the Tekram or the Yamaha.

Harald Portig

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:25:05, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

> If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The Tekram's
> are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.
> 
> I'm planning to use it for CD-R, Scanner and in the future, bootable Hard
> Drives. Recommendations welcome!

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From: possum@fred.net                                   10-Oct-99 20:49:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: possum@fred.net (Mike Trettel)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>quicky/crappy drivers?
>
>Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
>Which is a good one?
>and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?

Symbios Logic and Mylex both work very well under OS/2 and Linux, are
fully supported, and do not cost an arm and a leg.  My Symbios 875SP
costs all of $70-not too bad for an ultrawide card!

-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           10-Oct-99 21:18:29
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:15, jules@goes.com (Jules Greenstein) wrote:

>         I recently installed the GRADD0.80 display drivers in my Warp 4
Fixpak
> 11 Matrox Millenium system.
>         
>         Now I would like to uninstall them and return to my Matrox 2.31
> drivers.  Can someone tell me how?
>         
>         Simply changing my CONFIG.SYS to my previous Matrox version doesn't
do
> the job.  I get a System Stopped with a DOSCALL1 fault.  (Removing CONFIG
> rerences to Process Commander doesn't help).
>         
>          I had decided to try the GRADD because of problems getting a
WIN-OS2
> window into my Comm4.61.
>         With the latest GRADD I cannot get a WIN-OS2 window to install at
all.
>  (It appears invisibly and I have to kill it with Process Commander).
>          Even more important, I have lost the ability to magnify my screen
> with an MGA Hotkey which was a major virtue of the Matrox driver.
>          
>          Can someone advise me on:
>           1. Uninstalling the GRADD and re-installing the Matrix, or
>           2. Getting the GRADD to give me a seamless Win-os2 in and out of
> Netscape and giving me the ability to magnify the screen with a hotkey.
> 

When you boot your system, press ALT-F1 at the "OS/2 boot blob"
and choose the option that resets the video drivers to VGA. After it's
finished and your desktop comes up in the ugly 16 colour VGA mode,
install the Matrox drivers.

Lorne Sunley


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     10-Oct-99 20:15:16
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:01
Subj: Re: disk image file extraction

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 9 Oct 1999 22:03:22, fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) 
wrote:

> I downloaded all the FP40 disk images.
> My floppy drive is broke.
> 
> What do I use to extract the files so I can run SERVICE on it?
>  
> 
> fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA
> 

Those disk images are created by a utility called SAVEDSKF . They are 
extracted by the complimentary utility called LOADDSKF (which comes 
with OS/2, and will give you instructions if you just type "LOADDSKF" 
at an OS/2, or a DOS prompt). The output must be to a diskette (which,
obviously won't help you, unless you go and spend $25 to get a new 
drive, that works <g>).

There are "better" ways to install fix packs, and I suggest that you 
go to the OS/2 supersite, select the New users link, and look though 
there. There is a thing about how to go about installing fix packs, 
that has some really good information about alternate methods of 
extracting the data to the hard disk, and installing from there.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net                              10-Oct-99 20:35:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:01
Subj: Setup string for file Type?

From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net (Harald Portig)

I am using REXX Utility functions to create various types of desktop 
and file system objects by means of a tool called "MakeDesk" (v1.30 - 
Copyright 1993, Matthew Palcic).  This has become a convenient way for
me to carry my system customization between different machines and 
OS/2 installations.  To use the tool one has to be able to know the 
proper setup strings.

File system objects, i.e. files, are shown in the Properties notebook 
to have a "Type" such as "Plain Text" or "Acrobat Document", etc.  The
type can then be used in a program object to create an association.  
If an association exists, the program object will be shown in the 
"Open As" menu of the data file.

My question is:  What, if any, setup string is there that one can use 
to define the "Type" of an object when creating it with 
SysCreateObject?  If not, is there a way of customizing the "Open As" 
menu from SysCreateObject?

TIA
Harald Portig
Remove the letters NOSPAM to reply.

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From: rjfreem@ibm.net                                   09-Oct-99 13:25:18
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:01
Subj: Re: Linksys NIC?

From: rjfreem@ibm.net

In <tnvyxbbagmdhnapbapbz.fjc0rl2.pminews@news.gate.net>, on 10/09/99 
   at 06:50 AM, "Gail Koontz" <gail.koontz@quancon.com> said:

The driver installation is the easiest part. OS2 Sys-sys setup-
Adapters&protcol services-OK-configure-configure lan adapters-other
adapter.

>I'm considering buying a Linksys Fast Ethernet Starter Kit which includes
>two EtherFast 10/100 LAN Cards. I've been assured by Linksys technical
>support that there is a downloadable driver for the card, and IBM's
>device driver site supports that. However, the tech rep also said that
>there was little installation help for OS/2 and that you're pretty much
>on your own if you have problems.

>Has anyone had experience with this card? Any other suggestions?


>Gail Koontz		Retired in my home state
>836 Mallard Rd.		 . . . and loving it!
>Cocoa, FL 32926	gail.koontz@quancon.com




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From: ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com                          08-Oct-99 14:27:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:01
Subj: Re: Warp 3 connecting to a Windows 98 or Unix network?

From: Ben Hamilton <ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com>

Richard Steiner wrote:

> >Is it easier if it was Warp 4?
> 
> Warp 4 is certainly able to do peer-to-peer networking with Windows 95,
> since I do that here, but again I'm unsure about Windows 98 because I've
> not used it myself (my Windows box uses Win95B, aka OSR2).

Yes, Warp 4 and Windows 95/98 work fine together.  I've had no problems with
Win98.  For this purpose, it seems to function just like Win95.

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From: Cityboy@Spam-No-More.Net                          10-Oct-99 16:25:13
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Word6 CBT trick <- afterthought

From: Cityboy@Spam-No-More.Net

Afterthought.... you only need to do the vmdisk thing for the Word
installation. After that everything will run in a regular winos/2
session.

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                10-Oct-99 18:22:06
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Will this work???

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

e-frog wrote:

> mchasson@ibm.net wrote:
> : Before installing a new drive I am planning a partition arrangement.
>
> : I now have BM with DOS/Win3.1 on C: in Fat 16
>
> : Warp 4 is on the extended partition as F:  in HPFS.
>
> : I was considering putting in a second C: with W95.  Can I install this in
> : FAT32 or must it be FAT 16.  I have noted some comments about Warp in the
> : extended partition needing a Fat 16 primary, as it cannot see the Fat 32.
> : Of course I will have the Fat 16 that is presently installed.  Will this
> : answer the problem??
>
> I have Warp4 and Win95 on my system. The Win95 uses FAT32 on C: and I have
> no problems with Boot Manager seeing and using it.
>
> Isaac

I think what Monroe's original post was about was drive letter assignments. If
he has two primary partitions (not counting Boot Manager), one FAT and the
other FAT32, then he potentially has a drive letter assignment problem for
OS/2. If the last non-OS/2 operating system booted before booting OS/2 happens
to be DOS/Win from the FAT partition, then that drive will be visible to OS/2
and assigned C: and his OS/2 boot drive will be F:. On the other hand if the
most recent non-OS/2 operating system booted was Win95 on the FAT32 partition
that primary will not be visible to OS/2 and the DOS/Win partition "should" be
hidden making something else (the first of his logical partitions) C: and his
OS/2 boot partition's drive letter becomes E: and OS/2 won't boot. Been there,
done that.  What I am doing at the moment is always booting DOS after running
(in my case) Windows 98 from its FAT32 partition.

Note I said that after booting to the FAT32 partition, the FAT partition
should
be hidden with the "should" in quotes. I was using Boot Manager that came with
Partition Magic 3.0. PowerQuest had licensed it from IBM. Although it had no
problem as far as seeing the FAT32 partition and letting me boot DOS, Windows
98 or OS/2, it didn't hide the DOS FAT primary partition when it booted the
FAT32 partition making that FAT partition visible to Windows 98. At that point
two primary partitions were visible at the same time. It also meant that I
could boot OS/2 no matter which of Windows 98 or DOS I had previously booted
because the DOS FAT partition was always visible and assigned C:. However,
this
was an error in Boot Manager and was corrected in a patch from PowerQuest. The
corrected Boot Manager, whenever it boots one of the primaries,  hides the
other primary. My guess is that IBM has never distibuted a correction to Boot
Manager so, if that's your source of Boot Manager, it has this error. You may
not think this is an error. However, what I found was that Windows 98 saw the
DOS FAT partition as two drives, with two drive letters assigned, one a 0
length unaccessible partition and the other the "real" partition. I didn't
like
that so I upgraded to PowerQuest's new Boot Manager,  resulting in the drive
letter assignment problem.

There are a couple of potential solutions to this problem:
1. Upgrade to Partition Magic 4.0 which comes with Boot Magic which replaces
and is different from Boot Manager. I believe (I haven't fully investigated
this yet) that Boot Magic allows you to specify which partitons will be
visible
and which hidden when you boot one of your OS's. You could then solve the
problem by simply telling Boot Magic to hide the FAT32 primary and unhide the
DOS FAT primary prior to booting OS/2.
2. Get the FAT32 driver for OS/2. This will make the FAT32 partition visible
to
OS/2 if the FAT32 partition is the unhidden one when OS/2 is booted up. What I
don't know is how easy it is to make the drive letter assignment for the FAT32
partition C:. I've only recently scanned the documentation for the OS/2 FAT32
driver and it appeared to me that the drive letter assigment of the FAT32
partition may not be C: unless you use a replacement file for a OS/2 supplied
file and the replacement file is based on a backlevel version of the OS/2
supplied file.
3. There are other boot management pieces of software out there that might
help
in this situation.

This is one of a couple of isses I'm persuing and I need to collect a number
of
round tuits before I actually make any progress on it. But when I finish, I
will report back. What I'm really hoping is that someone has or will beat me
to
it and reports it in this forum.

Thanks
Jim


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From: jdparker@erols.com                                10-Oct-99 18:30:10
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Can't get audio in WinOS/2

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

I have a computer with an ESS 1938 PCI 3D audio chip set on it. Through
this forum I was able to find drivers that allowed me to get audio in
OS/2 (ftp://ftp.quasarbbs.com/os2/drivers/audio/ess/o2ensl17.zip). But I
haven't been able to get audio out of my Windows apps in WinOS/2. The
apps complain that there is no sound card. The same app  has no such
difficulty when running in Windows 98. Any ideas on how to solve this
problem?

Thanks
Jim

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                10-Oct-99 18:44:25
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Can't access CD-ROM from "DOS From A" session

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

When bringing up my "DOS From A" session, at the point where the CD-ROM
driver loads, the driver complains that it can't find a CD-ROM drive and
suggests that I make sure that the power cables are connected correctly.
The driver then doesn't load. It is the same setup that works when I
boot DOS directly. I'm trying to set up a "DOS from A" session that is
equivalent to one I had on an older machine, with a different CD-ROM and
different drivers.  Any ideas on how to make this work?

Thanks
Jim

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From: fritzo@humboldt.net                               10-Oct-99 16:07:28
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Trap 0d - on SCSI?

From: fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger)

Successfully applied FP40 to Warp3.
Now I have SCSI problems -
my one external ZIP has become invisible to IOMEGAtools/2  but is visible
to the system otherwise. Except that when copying several largish files to
the zip drive there will be mysterious pauses and then I get a TRAP 000d
error.

How do I roll this one up?

 

fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA

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From: j.welton@mailcity.com                             10-Oct-99 17:06:25
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Is there a hardware Dr. in the house?

From: Jeff Welton <j.welton@mailcity.com>

I've had the most difficult times trying to get my system back in 
working condition.

Like an idiot I decided to try the Preview version of ScITech Display
Doctor.  That program wrought havoc to my display system.  It deleted
my Trio S3 video drivers and I suspect did my system considerable
damage.  
My Warp 4 system was at FP12 and working exceptionally well prior to
the SDD episode.  Everything was running great: OD2.0, TCP4.1, SS/2
with the latest update, Communicator 4.61, and a bunch of registered
(and paid for) OS/2 applications.

Eventually I was able to find/download and reinstall my S3 Trio drivers
but before, during and after getting it back to normal I kept
experiencing
a 'slow' problem.  My system is a 200 Pentium with 64 megs of RAM and
a 6 gig hard drive.  What was happening was: I'd click an icon to open a
program, or go to a prompt and type a command and the system would
sit there for a second, then I'd hear a whirring sound in the CPU unit,
a
couple of clicks and finally the action would take place.  It was very
annoying.  I did not have this problem prior to the SDD installation but
maybe SDD had nothing to do with it.  Maybe it was just 'time'.

Try to view the drives on the drives object and after clicking it
wouldn't 
instantly open as it had always does.  Instead it hesitates, then whirrs 
and a click or two and the folder would open and the drive objects would 
appear.  Once there I was fine unless I jumped from one drive object to 
another then it would go into that slow access whir/click routine.

So I figured my 6gig hard drive was going out on me.  The machine is
about 5 years old.  I archived everything on each partition using RAR
and 
asked a reliable computer geek where I could someone to replace the hard 
drive.  I've personally added modem cards, more memory, a second hard
drive and an external CD ROM but I didn't want to screw this up and lose 
all my archived data and updated programs and applications.

He referred me to a small computer repair company and they said they
could 
replacethe hard drive, install the other as a slave drive so I could
access the 
archived data.  "I'm using OS/2, will that be a problem?"  "No, just
give us the 
CD and install disks."  They promised to have the machine back in a day
or 
at most, two days and assured me they were OS/2 literate.

Three days later one of the repair guys calls to ask "Why are you
using OS/2?"  "What does it matter?" I ask.  "Wouldn't it be better for
you to use Win98?"  "No, it wouldn't.  Is there a problem?  What is
taking so long?"  "No, no problem we're just wondering why you would 
use OS/2."  "Because I LIKE OS/2, okay?"  "Sure...."

Another two days go by and I've heard nothing.  Installing a hard drive
can't be that difficult!  I call.  They admit an inability to get OS/2
installed 
on a ten gig drive.  You told me you were OS/2 literate.  You know that
you have to change a driver on the install disk and insert a new
statement
in the disk config.sys, right?  "Huh???"  I said to hell with it, just
return the 
machine and I would install OS/2.  

They finally return the machine.  I have a 10gig and the 6 gig as a
slave
and PREMIUM prices.

I insert the OS/2 installation disk and I get nothing.  It says it is
looking for
the boot sector on the floppy but none is found.  Hummm...  Did
something
happen to the install disk?  Is it deleted?  I check on a neighbors
machine.
No, all is there.  I update it with drivers to see about 8.4gig but it
is ignored.
I try another disk and again, the screen says "A" drive not found. 
Aha...
So I open the thing up and sure enough, those idiots didn't plug the
ribbon
cable back in the floppy drive.  No wonder they couldn't install OS/2.
DUH!

That fixed I then proceed to the OS/2 installation.  It goes well, no
problems
with the install but the system still has that sluggish, whirr, click
click sound.
I figure I'll deal with that later, just let me get everything back in
working
order.  I copy the archived files over from the slave drive and reformat
it, 
repartition the new 10 GIG and unarchive everything back to new
partitions.  
It all works fine.  But still the system is slow and sluggish.

I install NS202 so I can upgrade Warp 4 to FP12, then install
Communicator 4.61,
Feature Installer 1.25, Java 118/Swing and get it all back in shape. 
Now I try 
installing Object Desktop 2.0.  It gets nearly to the end and complains
it can't 
go on but the error explanation is incomplete.  No big deal, I can try
it later.  
I try SmartSuite/2 and when I reboot the locked driver statement comes
up 
and just sits there.  The system will go absolutely no where.  I'm
freaking
pissed off at this point.  It means a whole new reinstall of OS/2.  I
boot from
disks just to take a look around and reboot back to normal several times
but still sit at the "locked driver" statement.  Thirty minutes later it
is
obvious I'm not going to get to my desktop.  I keep OS/2 installed on
one
750 meg partition 'just in case' while everything else goes to other
partitions.

I start a new install of OS/2, go through all the motions of setu up
again.  
This all takes hours.  OB2.0 still refuses to install (it is on CD so
what's the 
problem, the CD is pristine, no scratches, it always worked before).  I
try 
OD1.5 and it installs easy enough.

Now at this point I'm still at level 1 of Warp 4.  I have to upgrade to
FP12 so I
begin that procedure.  New RSU setup, I get to the update site and begin
the
automatic upgrade process.  All is going along well, it is near 2am in
the morning.
I get to FP12 disk 4 and suddenly nothing.  The file doesn't appear to
be transferring.
I look at the dialer and sure enough nothing is downloading.  I figure
the connection
petered out so I reconnect.  I go back and start all over again knowing
it should
pick up but now the site won't come up.  I just sit and spin my little
Communicator
logo then finally get a notice that the site is unavailable.

This morning I get up and go back but it takes a long time for the page
to come up.  I start the process and it too takes a long time but it
finally
starts.   RSU menu comes up and says it will copy files to my disk.  It
says 
select "Begin" to start the process.  I'm warned many files will
download.  
The little menu says changing to directory ps/products/os2/rsu and I sit 
waiting and waiting.  I hear my system whirr up, a couple of clicks so I
know
data is transferring and then comes a warning sound and the RSU menu
says "unknown failure - 0"  And that's it.  I try taking it out of
verbose mode
but still get the same error.  I then rename the old RSU files (dll too)
and
reinstall them again.   I figure the slow access must be an IBM server
or 
web site problem because other sites come up quickly and other files
transfer without a problem.  Finally I give up and hope to come back
next
week for the FP12 upgrade if I don't get it on manually.  In the
meantime...

I spend the next two hours downloading the FP11 files using WGET
figuring 
I'll upgrade to FP11 so I can at least use Communicator/2.  I get them
all, go 
to the VOICE web site, get the Fastkick141 file and try that method but
it fails
badly.  The Corrective Service Facility menu comes up and says it is
inspecting the system then gives me the error:  "The path SET
CSFCDROMDIR=G:\fp11 
does not exist or is invalid. "  What is this?  I installed FP8 and 9
manually
using the Fastkick method and never had this problem before.  

Ok.  I can live with a straight Warp 4 system and Netscape 2.02.  On
Monday I will take the machine into the computer shop and see if
they can't tell me what the problem is - why it goes whirr (sounds
like it is winding itself up when a command is given) and the odd
click, clicks.  But before I do:

This is where I need a Hardware Doctor.  The problem was not a
failing hard drive because the slave drive works just fine.  The
access times and overall sluggishness of the system is the problem.
Any ideas what the problem could be?  Maybe the power box?  
I ask because these computer guys are really expensive and if it 
were just a matter of replacing a component, like a power box or 
bad ram then I can do it.  (I'm a college student so money is very 
hard to come by. )

Any advice?  Thanks.

Jeff

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From: M.Th.Aartsen@direct.A2000.nl                      11-Oct-99 02:12:25
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: XFree86 3.3.5 and ATI Video Xpression

From: Marcel Aartsen <M.Th.Aartsen@direct.A2000.nl>

Hi,

As you probably already expected with a subject like this: I'm not yet
able to get XFree86-OS/2 running well. I use the SVGA server (I've got
SET XSERVER=C:/XFREE86/bin/XF86_SVGA.exe in my CONFIG.SYS and I choose
the SVGA server during XF86config.exe), and I (think I) have COM4
disabled: in an OS/2 windows I get

> [C:\]mode com4
> SYS1620: The COM port specified is not installed.
> 

Now the problem is: I _can_ get it started, but only with a resolution
of 320x240 or so, which I cannot change with [CTRL] [ALT] [+] etc. This
happens when I do not choose a video card during XF86config.exe . When I
_do_ choose my card (ATI Video Xpression), or when I edit XF86Config so
that every "Screen" section has the Device "My Video Card" instead of
Device "Generic VGA", the server won't start at all although I still
select the SVGA driver during XF86config.exe .

The startx output reads as follows (when it starts OK but in 320x240):

=========== begin of STARTX output ======================
XFree86 Version 3.3.5 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
Release Date: August 23 1999
	If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
	than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
	problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: OS/2 IBM
Configured drivers:
  SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0):
      NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2,
      RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, ET4000, ET4000W32,
      ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b, ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p,
      ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b, ET4000W32p_rev_c,
      ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10,
      wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, ati, sis86c201,
sis86c202,
      sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597, sis5598, sis6326,
sis530,
      sis620, tvga8200lx, tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl,
      tvga8900d, tvga9000, tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr,
tgui9400cxi,
      tgui9420, tgui9420dgi, tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320,
tgui9660,
      tgui9680, tgui9682, tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388,
      cyber9397, cyber9520, cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985,
cyber9397dvd,
      blade3d, cyberblade, clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426,
clgd5428,
      clgd5429, clgd5430, clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480,
clgd5462,
      clgd5464, clgd5465, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235,
clgd7541,
      clgd7542, clgd7543, clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22,
ncr77c22e,
      cpq_avga, mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200,
      mgag100, mgag400, oti067, oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101,
ali2228,
      ali2301, ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420,
cl6440,
      video7, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek,
      s3_virge, AP6422, AT24, AT3D, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093,
NM2097,
      NM2160, NM2200, ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540,
ct65545,
      ct65546, ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct69000,
      ct64200, ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110,
i740,
      i740_pci, Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, generic
xf86-OS/2: gethostname() returns: "localhost"
xf86-OS/2: DISPLAY to listen is set to: "localhost:0.0"
xf86-OS/2: gethostbyname() returns the following data:
xf86-OS/2:    official host name: "localhost"
xf86-OS/2:    addr type = 2,  addr length = 4
xf86-OS/2:      Internet address: "127.0.0.1"
xf86-OS/2: Console opened
xf86-OS/2: Keyboard opened
xf86-OS/2: Started Vio thread, Tid=2
xf86-OS/2: Started hard error Vio mode monitor thread, Tid=3
xf86-OS/2: Started Kbd monitor thread, Tid=4
xf86-OS/2: Started Kbd bit-bucket thread, Tid=5
xf86-OS/2: Opened kbd monitor, rc=0
xf86-OS/2: Kbd monitor registered, rc=0
xf86-OS/2: Kbd Queue created, rc=0
XF86Config: C:/XFree86/lib/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(br)" (overrides other XKB settings)
(**) OsMouse selected for mouse input
(**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "Generic VGA"
(**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "My Monitor"
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted.
(**) FontPath set to
"C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,C:/XFr
ee86/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,C:/XFree86/
lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/
100dpi/"
(--) SVGA: PCI: ATI Mach64 VT rev 64, Memory @ 0xe0000000, I/O @ 0x6200
RENDITION: vendor 0x1106 chip 0x585
RENDITION: vendor 0x1106 chip 0x586
RENDITION: vendor 0x1106 chip 0x571
RENDITION: vendor 0x10b7 chip 0x9000
RENDITION: vendor 0x1002 chip 0x5654
(**) SVGA: chipset:  generic
(--) SVGA: videoram: 64k
(--) SVGA: clocks:  25.18
(**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666
(--) SVGA: Using builtin driver modes
(--) SVGA: Builtin Mode: 320x200
(--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 320x204
(--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024
The Process Identification Number is 163.
The Process Identification Number is 165.
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

login:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server ":0.0"

X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

C:\XFree86\bin\xinit:  connection to X server lost.
============ end of STARTX output =======================


Any help would be greatly appreciated!


Regards,
Marcel

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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              10-Oct-99 21:06:25
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:32:38 +0100, Dave {Reply Address in.sig} wrote:
:>I think the Tekram cards are pretty good. I'm using one at the moment.
:>I think they are significantly cheaper than the Adaptec ones.
:>

I'll second that.  I went from a DPT card to a Tekram and am very happy.

		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)918-2480



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From: leshalter@earthlink.net                           11-Oct-99 00:13:07
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Help!

From: leshalter@earthlink.net (Les Halter)

I have Warp 4 with FP12 on an HP Pavilion and it works great except for
WIN-OS/2.  I get the following error:

WIN-OS/2 Full Screen 

A program executed an illegal instruction at OOOffffO. EAX=000040ff
EBX=00000394 ECX=00000093 EDX=0000alfb ESI=00001100 EDI=000076d6 
DS=ffff DSACC=**** DSLIM=******** 
ES=ffff ESACC=**** ESLIM=******** 
FS=0000 FSACC=**** FSLIM=******** 
GS=0000 GSACC=**** GSLIM=******** 
CS:EIP=ffff:00000000 CSACC=**** CSLIM=******** SS:ESP=ffff:000039aa SSACC=****
SSLIM=******** 
EBP=00005dae FLG=00122282 

Any idea what is wrong or what I did wrong?

Also, I have a HP ScanJet 3200C scanner.  Any software for OS/2 for this
scanner?  I don't think it is SCSI so current software I've found won't work.

Any help will be appriciated.

Thanks,

Les Halter
leshalter@earthlink.net


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              10-Oct-99 18:59:04
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: Is there a hardware Dr. in the house?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Do you have a "Turbo" button on your machine? Or an adjustable boot up
speed in the BIOS? If the former, press it once: if this makes no
difference, check that it is connected to the m/b. If the latter, make
sure it is *NOT* set to compatible or slow.

Make sure L1 and L2 cache is enabled in the BIOS.

Graham.

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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  10-Oct-99 22:17:17
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Will this work???

From: mchasson@ibm.net

Many thanks Jim.  This is exactly what I was unsure about, and your reply
is a perfect example of well thought out help.  I will now ponder my next
move.  I think I will just put W95 in Fat16 and deal with it that way. 
Yes of course my Warp partition is F:.  Looking forward to future
information, and we will see.


In <38011194.1311E26D@erols.com>, on 10/10/99 at 06:22 PM,
   Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> said:

>e-frog wrote:

>> mchasson@ibm.net wrote:
>> : Before installing a new drive I am planning a partition arrangement.
>>
>> : I now have BM with DOS/Win3.1 on C: in Fat 16
>>
>> : Warp 4 is on the extended partition as F:  in HPFS.
>>
>> : I was considering putting in a second C: with W95.  Can I install this in
>> : FAT32 or must it be FAT 16.  I have noted some comments about Warp in the
>> : extended partition needing a Fat 16 primary, as it cannot see the Fat 32.
>> : Of course I will have the Fat 16 that is presently installed.  Will this
>> : answer the problem??
>>
>> I have Warp4 and Win95 on my system. The Win95 uses FAT32 on C: and I have
>> no problems with Boot Manager seeing and using it.
>>
>> Isaac

>I think what Monroe's original post was about was drive letter
>assignments. If he has two primary partitions (not counting Boot
>Manager), one FAT and the other FAT32, then he potentially has a drive
>letter assignment problem for OS/2. If the last non-OS/2 operating system
>booted before booting OS/2 happens to be DOS/Win from the FAT partition,
>then that drive will be visible to OS/2 and assigned C: and his OS/2 boot
>drive will be F:. On the other hand if the most recent non-OS/2 operating
>system booted was Win95 on the FAT32 partition that primary will not be
>visible to OS/2 and the DOS/Win partition "should" be hidden making
>something else (the first of his logical partitions) C: and his OS/2 boot
>partition's drive letter becomes E: and OS/2 won't boot. Been there, done
>that.  What I am doing at the moment is always booting DOS after running
>(in my case) Windows 98 from its FAT32 partition.

>Note I said that after booting to the FAT32 partition, the FAT partition
>should be hidden with the "should" in quotes. I was using Boot Manager
>that came with Partition Magic 3.0. PowerQuest had licensed it from IBM.
>Although it had no problem as far as seeing the FAT32 partition and
>letting me boot DOS, Windows 98 or OS/2, it didn't hide the DOS FAT
>primary partition when it booted the FAT32 partition making that FAT
>partition visible to Windows 98. At that point two primary partitions
>were visible at the same time. It also meant that I could boot OS/2 no
>matter which of Windows 98 or DOS I had previously booted because the DOS
>FAT partition was always visible and assigned C:. However, this was an
>error in Boot Manager and was corrected in a patch from PowerQuest. The
>corrected Boot Manager, whenever it boots one of the primaries,  hides
>the other primary. My guess is that IBM has never distibuted a correction
>to Boot Manager so, if that's your source of Boot Manager, it has this
>error. You may not think this is an error. However, what I found was that
>Windows 98 saw the DOS FAT partition as two drives, with two drive
>letters assigned, one a 0 length unaccessible partition and the other the
>"real" partition. I didn't like that so I upgraded to PowerQuest's new
>Boot Manager,  resulting in the drive letter assignment problem.

>There are a couple of potential solutions to this problem:
>1. Upgrade to Partition Magic 4.0 which comes with Boot Magic which
>replaces and is different from Boot Manager. I believe (I haven't fully
>investigated this yet) that Boot Magic allows you to specify which
>partitons will be visible and which hidden when you boot one of your
>OS's. You could then solve the problem by simply telling Boot Magic to
>hide the FAT32 primary and unhide the DOS FAT primary prior to booting
>OS/2.
>2. Get the FAT32 driver for OS/2. This will make the FAT32 partition
>visible to OS/2 if the FAT32 partition is the unhidden one when OS/2 is
>booted up. What I don't know is how easy it is to make the drive letter
>assignment for the FAT32 partition C:. I've only recently scanned the
>documentation for the OS/2 FAT32 driver and it appeared to me that the
>drive letter assigment of the FAT32 partition may not be C: unless you
>use a replacement file for a OS/2 supplied file and the replacement file
>is based on a backlevel version of the OS/2 supplied file.
>3. There are other boot management pieces of software out there that
>might help in this situation.

>This is one of a couple of isses I'm persuing and I need to collect a
>number of round tuits before I actually make any progress on it. But when
>I finish, I will report back. What I'm really hoping is that someone has
>or will beat me to it and reports it in this forum.

>Thanks
>Jim



-- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51 

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From: pfitz@ican.net                                    11-Oct-99 08:40:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

> The one inconvenience (perhaps it can be classed as a bug) is that when the
> machine did not shut down cleanly and HPFS partitions need to be cleaned up
> on bootup, the automated execution of CHKDSK is amazingly slow. I find it

Replace \os2\boot\aic7870.add with the original Warp 4 GA version. It
will speed up your boot time by about 1 min too (YMMV).

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              11-Oct-99 06:24:20
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Stan Towianski wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
> quicky/crappy drivers?
> 
    Their drivers, IMO, have gotten progressively worse with time. Until
recently I had been using a 2940 (no W, U, or UW[2]) and it was OK. I
found the newer drivers, later than 1997, to be problematic. I always
restored and older driver whenever I updated the system.
    So, yes, they support os/2, just not very well. But, then, they do
not support other OSes very well, either.
    The adaptec adapters are outrageously overpriced. You can get the
same performance for $85 - $150 as for the $400 adaptec. And better
drivers.


> Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
> Which is a good one?
> and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
> 
    I have been using Buslogic/Mylex in all the other systems for over 3
years now. I have used the bt930 (scsi-2), bt940 (scsi-2) and bt950
(scsi-3, UW2). They have all worked very well. And fast.



-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: bmward@attglobal.net.where                        11-Oct-99 06:44:10
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: bmward@attglobal.net.where (Bruce Ward)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:08:51, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> Stan Towianski (stantowianski@home.com) wrote:
> 
> : Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
> : Which is a good one? and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
> 
> 	Well, Initio sells some nice cheap SCSI cards.  They have Fast 
> SCSI-2, Ultra, and UltraWide models.  I know the SCSI-2 one went for $90 
> CDN, while the Ultra went $100 CDN a few weeks ago.  They have Linux 
> support at their website as well as OS/2 drivers for them (I have the
Ultra).
> 
I'm running an InitIO card here with Warp Connect, affordable and 
boots my drive (Boot Manager) with no problem. At present 1 HDD is all
I can afford to run off it ...



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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   11-Oct-99 03:23:12
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


e-frog wrote:
> 
[....]
> I've heard some pretty good things about the Tekram cards.
> However, my local shop told me that it has some odd problems vs. the
> Adaptec. The one he mentioned was that the Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't update
> BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards, but were fine with the Adaptec.
> 
[....]

I have a Yamaha CDR 200T ( it was a cheaper 400T )  working on a Tekram DC390
without any problems
for 2 years. I updated the Y-bios several times. So your dealer is wrong.
On Tekram's website there were firmware upgrades ( couldn't use it, 'cause
mine has a EEPROM
instead of a flash rom - beware buying older tekrams ) to controllers offered
referring to "the
Yamaha CDR bug". I never figured out what this bug was .

> 
> Isaac

By/2
Meinolf


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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 11-Oct-99 07:48:08
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> wrote:

>
>
>Stan Towianski wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>> quicky/crappy drivers?
>> 
>    Their drivers, IMO, have gotten progressively worse with time. Until
>recently I had been using a 2940 (no W, U, or UW[2]) and it was OK. I
>found the newer drivers, later than 1997, to be problematic. I always
>restored and older driver whenever I updated the system.
>    So, yes, they support os/2, just not very well. But, then, they do
>not support other OSes very well, either.
>    The adaptec adapters are outrageously overpriced. You can get the
>same performance for $85 - $150 as for the $400 adaptec. And better
>drivers.

Not really taking issue, but it is convenient (& not cost-
ineffective) to have onboard scsi, & for me I was coming off
an old 2742.  Anyway, I definitely haven't heard good things
about Adaptec drivers for three or four years now -- in fact
that business where they switched the behavior to translate
drives larger than 1 gig was -- dunno the word for it, but
not a good thing anyway.  

Strange, I've used the out-of-the-box AIC7870 from day one
since I installed Warp4, and when I applied FP12 yesterday
one of my fears was that it would update it -- I hadn't
decided about backlevevling it -- but thankfully it got left
alone.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                10-Oct-99 17:39:02
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:04
Subj: Re: Warp 3.0 and fix pak for Y2K

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 williamd wrote:

>  Is it *only* the fixpacks that are needed to make 3.0 compliant? I've read
> things that seem to suggest this is all that's needed, but I've also been
> advised to upgrade TCP/IP as well. I'm not sure whether the latter is
> required for y2k, or just desirable an a general upgrade? I am at fp 40
> applied from the BMT Micro cd. It does also contain an upgrade for TCP/IP,
> but seems to indicate this is only for Warp 4?

Go to http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warp_year2000.html, pick the
appropriate components you use and follow the links there.

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: cheesypoofx@home.com                              11-Oct-99 05:05:21
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:04
Subj: os warp version 3?

From: Nick Xydas <cheesypoofx@home.com>

I got os/2 warp several years ago when windows 95 just came out and i
had a 386 computer. It's like 20 disks or more with all the bonus pack
stuff, I have a pentium 2 now, with win 98 on it, and linux and I've
wanted to put an older version of windows on and I was wondering if it
would be possible to put os on my system and keep win 98, and if there
would be any reason for me wanting to do this. Is version 3 to old ??

Please e-mail me at cheesypoofx@home.com
Thanks

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  10-Oct-99 00:16:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:04
Subj: Re: startup.cmd

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Doug Fitzpatrick wrote:

> In message <WiQtt4WDEbXf-pn2-yWDJR2TuTxkd@vcn4.pm3-1.chey.wy.vcn.com>
> - piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) writes:
> :>Klaatu barada nikto
>
> Help me out here. What is the meaning of this? Klaatu was a rock band
> of the
> late 70's/ early 80's. I think I have a couple of their cassettes.
>

Ah I suspect you have to go a bit further back to a classic SciFi of the
early 50's.....Before OS/2, PC's and early System 360's,  Before
StarTrek and Klingon war oaths... to......
"When Earth and all mankind is threatened by an all powerfull Robot
(believing it's alien master is on the point of death.....)..... only a
specific phrase will overide it's command protocols and save the human
race from extinction".....
Possibly from "The day the Earth stood still"? .........

Of course C-A-D works better for OS/2 but you could try the same phrase
with Bill Gates and WinXX etc......  you never know, you might have
found the answer!....   <vbg>......

--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 11-Oct-99 08:01:27
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:04
Subj: INI files and display setting snafu

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

It happened that my replacement IBM hard drive and the new
Philips monitor showed up the same day, so I decided to do
everything at once (including FP12, but that's a different
perhaps happier story).  Once I had the HD basically
running, I attached the monitor, and changed the resolution.

Unfortunately while everything seems to be running fine,
something's wrong with my INI files, I think because of the
new resolution.   

I can run checkini and reset the WPS, and things'll be
peachuy.  However, when I shut down using those ini files, I
get a TRAP000d -- kind of a strange one, because everything
seems to shut down perfectly -- the TRAP issues only after
the "It is now safte to reboot..." appears (or, when I use
the Xfolder shutdown-and-reboot, immediately after it shows
"setboot Warp4" or whatever the message is).  It's as though
the system traps trying to reset to standard mode off of VGA
-- which I could live with except I have to wait 20 minutes
for chkdsk to run through all my HPFS partitions. 

I've tried any manner of trying to fix it: reset to VGA and
reinstall the Matrox drivers -- including the latest
(2.31.100) and an earlier (2.22.078).  What happens is, if I
reset to VGA to install the drivers, I'm unable to reset the
display to anything *but* VGA: though I can select a higher
resolution, when I shut down (even in the rare case that I
don't get a trap immediately after) and reboot, it still
comes up in VGA mode.  If I don't reset to VGA when I
install the drivers, I get the trap d after boot (9 times
out of 10).  I also attempted to run the Matrox UNINSTAL
program on my boot partition, then reinstalling the driver
-- 2.31 in that case -- still no dice. 

So, at this point I'm running off of a Fixpack12'd old
installation, with "uncleaned" INI files.  And things seem
to be working very well.  Unfortunately sooner or later I'm
going to want to have clean INI files.  I suspect that
eventually I'm going to have to recreate my desktop,
probably using Henk's WPSREST.  (So, if y'all haven't got
the solution to the above question, perhaps someone could
offer advice about the best way to destroy and recreate my
ini files with WPSREST... just delete OS2.INI and
OS2SYS.INI, reboot. and run WPSREST?)


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: veit@simi.gmd.de                                  11-Oct-99 12:58:23
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:19
Subj: Re: XFree86 3.3.5 and ATI Video Xpression

From: veit@simi.gmd.de (Holger Veit)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:12:51 +0100,
	Marcel Aartsen <M.Th.Aartsen@direct.A2000.nl> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>As you probably already expected with a subject like this: I'm not yet
>able to get XFree86-OS/2 running well. I use the SVGA server (I've got
>SET XSERVER=C:/XFREE86/bin/XF86_SVGA.exe in my CONFIG.SYS and I choose
>the SVGA server during XF86config.exe), and I (think I) have COM4
>disabled: in an OS/2 windows I get

>Now the problem is: I _can_ get it started, but only with a resolution
>of 320x240 or so, which I cannot change with [CTRL] [ALT] [+] etc. This
>happens when I do not choose a video card during XF86config.exe . When I

Who told you not to choose a video card?

>_do_ choose my card (ATI Video Xpression), or when I edit XF86Config so
>that every "Screen" section has the Device "My Video Card" instead of
>Device "Generic VGA", the server won't start at all although I still
>select the SVGA driver during XF86config.exe .

And why did you choose the SVGA server, not the Mach64 server?
I don't see any sign of ATI support in the SVGA device list.

>  SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0):
>      NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2,
>      RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, ET4000, ET4000W32,
>      ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b, ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p,
>      ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b, ET4000W32p_rev_c,
>      ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10,
>      wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, ati, sis86c201, sis86c202,
>      sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597, sis5598, sis6326, sis530,
>      sis620, tvga8200lx, tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl,
>      tvga8900d, tvga9000, tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi,
>      tgui9420, tgui9420dgi, tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660,
>      tgui9680, tgui9682, tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388,
>      cyber9397, cyber9520, cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd,
>      blade3d, cyberblade, clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428,
>      clgd5429, clgd5430, clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462,
>      clgd5464, clgd5465, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541,
>      clgd7542, clgd7543, clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e,
>      cpq_avga, mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200,
>      mgag100, mgag400, oti067, oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228,
>      ali2301, ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440,
>      video7, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek,
>      s3_virge, AP6422, AT24, AT3D, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097,
>      NM2160, NM2200, ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545,
>      ct65546, ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct69000,
>      ct64200, ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740,
>      i740_pci, Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, generic

-- 
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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             11-Oct-99 11:31:14
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

Sorry, wrong driver. It's AIC78U2.ADD, and there is no such animal in the
original GA release. The machine is unbootable with the AIC7870.ADD driver.

Alan

Peter Fitzsimons wrote:

> > The one inconvenience (perhaps it can be classed as a bug) is that when
the
> > machine did not shut down cleanly and HPFS partitions need to be cleaned
up
> > on bootup, the automated execution of CHKDSK is amazingly slow. I find it
>
> Replace \os2\boot\aic7870.add with the original Warp 4 GA version. It
> will speed up your boot time by about 1 min too (YMMV).

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From: M.Th.Aartsen@direct.A2000.nl                      11-Oct-99 16:18:21
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Re: XFree86 3.3.5 and ATI Video Xpression

From: Marcel Aartsen <M.Th.Aartsen@direct.A2000.nl>

Holger Veit wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:12:51 +0100,
>         Marcel Aartsen <M.Th.Aartsen@direct.A2000.nl> wrote:

[snip]
 
> >Now the problem is: I _can_ get it started, but only with a resolution
> >of 320x240 or so, which I cannot change with [CTRL] [ALT] [+] etc. This
> >happens when I do not choose a video card during XF86config.exe . When I
> 
> Who told you not to choose a video card?

Thank you for your reply. Well, nobody told me. But it didn't work at
all when I chose my card, so I tried something different. See below.

> >_do_ choose my card (ATI Video Xpression), or when I edit XF86Config so
> >that every "Screen" section has the Device "My Video Card" instead of
> >Device "Generic VGA", the server won't start at all although I still
> >select the SVGA driver during XF86config.exe .
> 
> And why did you choose the SVGA server, not the Mach64 server?

I tried the Mach64 server at first and that didn't work at all. When I
searched in the XFree86-OS/2 mailing list archives, I deduced from some
messages that it was wisest to choose the SVGA server instead if you
have an ATI card and things don't work. Did I misunderstand this then?
See e.g. http://ais.gmd.de/~veit/os2/mailinglist/5707.html 

Anyway, this is also why I tried to not choose a video card. And that
got me one little step further... :-) When I use the Mach64 server (and
choose my ATI Video Xpression during XF86Config.exe), as your suggestion
seems to be, the output of startx reads as follows:


=========== begin of STARTX output ======================
XFree86 Version 3.3.5 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
Release Date: August 3 1999
	If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
	than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
	problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: OS/2 IBM
Configured drivers:
  Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors
(Patchlevel 0)
xf86-OS/2: gethostname() returns: "localhost"
xf86-OS/2: DISPLAY to listen is set to: "localhost:0.0"
xf86-OS/2: gethostbyname() returns the following data:
xf86-OS/2:    official host name: "localhost"
xf86-OS/2:    addr type = 2,  addr length = 4
xf86-OS/2:      Internet address: "127.0.0.1"
xf86-OS/2: Console opened
xf86-OS/2: Keyboard opened
xf86-OS/2: Started Vio thread, Tid=2
xf86-OS/2: Started hard error Vio mode monitor thread, Tid=3
xf86-OS/2: Started Kbd monitor thread, Tid=4
xf86-OS/2: Started Kbd bit-bucket thread, Tid=5
xf86-OS/2: Opened kbd monitor, rc=0
xf86-OS/2: Kbd monitor registered, rc=0
xf86-OS/2: Kbd Queue created, rc=0
XF86Config: C:/XFree86/lib/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(br)" (overrides other XKB settings)
(**) OsMouse selected for mouse input
(**) Mach64: Graphics device ID: "ATI Video Xpression"
(**) Mach64: Monitor ID: "My Monitor"
(--) Mach64: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted.
(**) FontPath set to
"C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,C:/XFr
ee86/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,C:/XFree86/
lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,C:/XFree86/lib/X11/fonts/
100dpi/"
(--) Mach64: PCI: Mach64 VT rev 64, Aperture @ 0xe0000000, Block I/O @
0x6200
xf86ReadBIOS: BIOS map failed, addr=c0000, rc=87

 *** None of the configured devices were detected.***


Fatal server error:
no screens found

When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send
the full server output, not just the last messages

_X11TransOs2OpenClient: Open server pipe \PIPE\xf86.0 failed, rc=3
_X11Trans	Probable causes: either the XServer is not running, or has not
started properly,
_X11Trans	or the DISPLAY variable is set incorrectly.
_X11TransOpen: transport open failed for local/localhost:0
giving up.

C:\XFree86\bin\xinit:  Interrupted system call (errno 4):  unable to
connect to X server

C:\XFree86\bin\xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
============ end of STARTX output =======================



The relevant section in my CONFIG.SYS reads:

SET HOME=C:\MPTN\ETC
SET HOSTNAME=localhost
SET DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
SET LOGNAME=Marcel
SET MANPATH=C:\XFree86\man
SET TERM=ansi
SET TERMCAP=C:/XFree86/lib/X11/etc/emx.termcap.x11
SET USE_HOSTS_FIRST=1
SET USER=Marcel
SET X11ROOT=C:
SET XSERVER=C:/XFREE86/bin/XF86_Mach64.exe
DEVICE=C:\XFree86\lib\xf86sup.sys


and in my C:\MPTN\BIN\MPTSTART.CMD the last line is

ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up


Furthermore, v3.3.3.1 worked well on this same system.


Thanks for any suggestions,
Marcel

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From: pgiang@my-deja.com                                11-Oct-99 17:41:27
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:22
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: PG <pgiang@my-deja.com>

"Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't update BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards":
What's the exact details on this? Haven't heard or seen anything like
this.

So maybe you can further check with your dealer about:
- which Tekram card(s) has this mentioned problem?
- the deatils of the problem? &
- if they did sell any Tekram cards in their store? (maybe they only
have Adaptec's available and have to figure out something negative to
those they don't)

Yamaha 4416 with older firmware may have problem working with WIDE SCSI
adapters, don't care if it's an Adaptec or Tekram.

If it's the WIDE SCSI cards here, then you may try the following to fix
the "Wide Negotiation" problem with Yamaha CD-R:
- upgrade Yamaha CD-R's firmware OR
- set "Wide Negotiation" corresponding to this CD-R to "No" in SCSI
adapter's BIOS

===================
In article <7tqp6h$o1j$3@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>,
  isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:
> I've heard some pretty good things about the Tekram cards.
> However, my local shop told me that it has some odd problems vs. the
> Adaptec. The one he mentioned was that the Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't
update
> BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards, but were fine with the Adaptec.
>
> If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The
Tekram's
> are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.
>
> I'm planning to use it for CD-R, Scanner and in the future, bootable
Hard
> Drives. Recommendations welcome!
>
> Isaac
>


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From: rjfreem@ibm.net                                   11-Oct-99 09:16:17
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:22
Subj: Re: INI files and display setting snafu

From: rjfreem@ibm.net

In <yGdA4oXf0HvJ092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, on 10/11/99 
   at 08:01 AM, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)
said:

If you can not clean the ini's with chechini and unimaint, others have
recommended a reinstall of the OS. A half hour for the base and hours for
the rest. Warp Up from idelible blue is extremely useful. RJF

>It happened that my replacement IBM hard drive and the new
>Philips monitor showed up the same day, so I decided to do
>everything at once (including FP12, but that's a different
>perhaps happier story).  Once I had the HD basically
>running, I attached the monitor, and changed the resolution.

>Unfortunately while everything seems to be running fine,
>something's wrong with my INI files, I think because of the
>new resolution.   

>I can run checkini and reset the WPS, and things'll be
>peachuy.  However, when I shut down using those ini files, I get a
>TRAP000d -- kind of a strange one, because everything seems to shut down
>perfectly -- the TRAP issues only after
>the "It is now safte to reboot..." appears (or, when I use
>the Xfolder shutdown-and-reboot, immediately after it shows
>"setboot Warp4" or whatever the message is).  It's as though the system
>traps trying to reset to standard mode off of VGA -- which I could live
>with except I have to wait 20 minutes for chkdsk to run through all my
>HPFS partitions. 

>I've tried any manner of trying to fix it: reset to VGA and
>reinstall the Matrox drivers -- including the latest
>(2.31.100) and an earlier (2.22.078).  What happens is, if I reset to VGA
>to install the drivers, I'm unable to reset the display to anything *but*
>VGA: though I can select a higher
>resolution, when I shut down (even in the rare case that I
>don't get a trap immediately after) and reboot, it still
>comes up in VGA mode.  If I don't reset to VGA when I
>install the drivers, I get the trap d after boot (9 times
>out of 10).  I also attempted to run the Matrox UNINSTAL
>program on my boot partition, then reinstalling the driver
>-- 2.31 in that case -- still no dice. 

>So, at this point I'm running off of a Fixpack12'd old
>installation, with "uncleaned" INI files.  And things seem
>to be working very well.  Unfortunately sooner or later I'm
>going to want to have clean INI files.  I suspect that
>eventually I'm going to have to recreate my desktop,
>probably using Henk's WPSREST.  (So, if y'all haven't got
>the solution to the above question, perhaps someone could
>offer advice about the best way to destroy and recreate my
>ini files with WPSREST... just delete OS2.INI and
>OS2SYS.INI, reboot. and run WPSREST?)




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From: Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com                         11-Oct-99 11:57:16
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 , NT4 and Bootmanager

From: Tony Saucedo <Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com>

finn olsen wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> We have at lot of pc's with a 4Gb ide disk, they are running like this
> 
> Bootmanger from OS/2
> C: OS/2 primary             1,5Gb
> C: Win95 primary           1,5Gb
> D:  to document              1Gb
> 
> New konfiguration should be
> Bootmaneger from OS/2
> C: OS/2 primary              1,5GB
> C: NT 4.0 primary           2.0GB
> D: to documents               0,5GB
> 
> The problem are that either NT or OS/2 not boot. We have tryid to move
> bootmanger to last partion, bu that didnt work at all.
> 
> Do you have any idea's whats go wrong??? Are where I can find some
> whitepapers on the problem.
> 
> Best Regards
> Finn

How did you change to the new configuration?

Did you Re-partition your drive and re-installed?
Or did you just remove Win95 and it's partition to
install NT?

Do you get your Boot Manager menu?
If so what is listed and what happens after you
select to Boot from OS/2.

Did you reinstall OS/2?

If you did not re-install OS/2 only NT check the partition
setup with FDISK (OS/2).

Boot the system using the OS/2 installations diskettes
and go into FDISK and see what the settings are for the
partitions.

Also set the OS/2 partition to active (startable) and see
if will boot.

Please provide more details has to happens when you try to
boot from OS/2 and when try to boot from NT?
Thanks.
-- 

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******************************************************
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  EAGLE Traffic Control Systems
  Austin, Texas

  E-mail: Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com

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From: Geert.Stevens@ping.be                             11-Oct-99 19:53:12
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Geert Stevens <Geert.Stevens@ping.be>



Bruce Ward schreef:

> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:08:51, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John
> Hong) wrote:
>
> > Stan Towianski (stantowianski@home.com) wrote:
> >
> > : Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
> > : Which is a good one? and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
> >
> >       Well, Initio sells some nice cheap SCSI cards.  They have Fast
> > SCSI-2, Ultra, and UltraWide models.  I know the SCSI-2 one went for $90
> > CDN, while the Ultra went $100 CDN a few weeks ago.  They have Linux
> > support at their website as well as OS/2 drivers for them (I have the
Ultra).
> >

I use a cheap  IOISCSI Ultra (=Initio) card without any problem on my Warp 4.0 
and
Linux machine.   2 HD, 1 CDROM,  CDRW and a scanner are connected. The Gerams
C't
magazine decribes this card as very stable and fast.
http://www.ioiscsi.com
http//www.initio.com

succes
Geert

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From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca                           11-Oct-99 11:10:29
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca

In <3800e601$1$po$mr2ice@news.a2000.nl>, on 10/10/99 
   at 09:13 PM, Colin Brace <cbrace@lim_.nl said:

>In <3800A099.2515E391@home.com>, on 10/10/99 
>   at 02:19 PM, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com> said:

>> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>> quicky/crappy drivers?

>I had a lot of problems (lockups) with the Adaptec 78u2w driver, a scsi
>HD, and my scanner. apprently the driver is flaky. I would stay away from
>Adaptec. I've heard good things about Tekram...

My understanding is that up 'til last year, Adaptec did support OS/2. I
purchased a 2906 PCI SCSI card to replace the one that came with a scanner
last year, and although there aren't any oS/2 drivers listed for it, OS/2
Warp V 4 recognized it right away, and it worked fine.

The answer at this point, is that you need to try it and see,
unfortunately.

Bob.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:03
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:25:05, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

> If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The Tekram's
> are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.
> 

I have a TekRam DC-390U. It seems to work quite well, but all I have 
attached, is an Epson ES-1000C scanner. There is one, serious problem,
and one not so serious, that I have not figured 
out.

The serious problem, is that my system won't boot, if I have been 
running OS/2, and try to restart (using CAD). It gets to the place 
where the TekRam BIOS puts up that fancy header, and scans for 
devices, but that never happens, it just sits there with the cursor 
flashing in the upper left corner. Now, this is not a problem, as long
as I am there to turn the machine off, and on again, but if I get a 
trap, which blows OS/2 right out of the water (I have mine set to 
restart, if that happens), it gets to that point, and that is the end 
of the game (until I find it stuck, and turn it off, and on again). 
Not great, but it almost never happens, so I have been living with it.
There is no problem rebooting after I have been running DOS/Win31. Any
suggestions are welcome.

The other (not very serious) problem, is that the driver is a 
"non-resource manager aware" driver. That means that the normal RMVIEW
ouitput, and the Hardware manager output, will not include any data 
about what resources the card is using.

Hope this helps...
******************************
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doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:07
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Can't get audio in WinOS/2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:30:20, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:

> I have a computer with an ESS 1938 PCI 3D audio chip set on it. Through
> this forum I was able to find drivers that allowed me to get audio in
> OS/2 (ftp://ftp.quasarbbs.com/os2/drivers/audio/ess/o2ensl17.zip). But I
> haven't been able to get audio out of my Windows apps in WinOS/2. The
> apps complain that there is no sound card. The same app  has no such
> difficulty when running in Windows 98. Any ideas on how to solve this
> problem?
> 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 

As I understand it, the OS/2 driver does not, yet, support sound in a 
WinOS2 session. You will need to wait until the new driver is 
released, with that support. I believe this is documented in the stuff
that comes with the driver.

Hope this helps...
******************************
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:06
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Can't access CD-ROM from "DOS From A" session

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:44:51, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:

> When bringing up my "DOS From A" session, at the point where the CD-ROM
> driver loads, the driver complains that it can't find a CD-ROM drive and
> suggests that I make sure that the power cables are connected correctly.
> The driver then doesn't load. It is the same setup that works when I
> boot DOS directly. I'm trying to set up a "DOS from A" session that is
> equivalent to one I had on an older machine, with a different CD-ROM and
> different drivers.  Any ideas on how to make this work?
> 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 

You shouldn't need (or want) a DOS driver to access your CD-ROM drive.
It shouild be supported by the OS/2 driver (mine is anyway-> P200 with
IDE CD-ROM, and an old 486 with a Panasonic drive, attached to a 
SoundBlaster Virba16). Just take the driver out of the CONFIG.SYS, and
remove the MSCDEX line from the AUTOEXEC.BAT.

My CONFIG.SYS (I am using IBM PC-DOS 7.0, but this works for most DOS 
versions after 3.3) looks like:
=============================================
DEVICE=FSFILTER.SYS
DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\EMM386.SYS
DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
DOS=HIGH,UMB
FILES=30
BUFFERS=20
LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICEHIGH=D:\OS2\MDOS\ANSI.SYS
SWITCHES=/N
============================================
Note the use of the OS/2 drivers for HIMEM.SYS, EMM386.EXE, and 
ANSI.SYS, as well as the FSFILTER.SYS entry, which is required for 
proper disk access (including, HPFS and CD-ROM access, the only disk 
type that is usable, without this, is a FAT partition, look them up in
the help.). FSFILTER does NOT let DOS programs see long file names, 
and it does NOT allow a native DOS session to see HPFS drives. OS/2 
must be booted for it to work.

My AUTOEXEC.BAT looks like:
============================================
@ECHO OFF
@call C:\IBMAV\IBMAVDS C:\IBMAV\
LH D:\OS2\MDOS\MOUSE.COM
LH C:\DOS\DOSKEY FINDFILE=DIR /A /S /B $*
C:\DOS\DOSKEY EDIT=QBASIC/EDITOR $*
C:\DOS\DOSKEY MEM=C:\DOS\MEM $*
C:\DOS\DOSKEY FORMAT=C:\DOS\FORMAT $*
C:\DOS\DOSKEY EXIT=D:\OS2\MDOS\EXIT_VDM
SET PATH=C:\UTILITY;C:\DOS;C:\DOS\DOS5;D:\OS2\MDOS;C:\WINDOWS
SET PROMPT=DOS700 $P$G
SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\TEMP
SET WIN3DIR=C:\WINDOWS
SET WIN$=C:\WINDOWS
REM ** Added by S23 Setup **
SET BLASTER=A220 I9 D3 T4
SET SOUND16=C:\AW35SND
rem C:\AW35SND\CS32MIX.EXE /M=15 /W=15 /L=4 /X=0 /F=15 /C=15
VER
=================================================
Note the use of the OS/2 program for the mouse, and the DOSKEY command
that turns "EXIT" into " "VDM_EXIT" , which is the proper command to 
get out of  the session (you may have a problem with equating EXIT to 
VDM_EXIT, if you use EXIT for other things).

This is also run from an image file (look up the VMDISK command), 
which makes it run much faster. Note the last line in CONFIG.SYS. This
bypasses the wait (where the system says something like "Starting PC 
DOS...", where you can press F5 to bypass processing CONFIG.SYS, and 
AUTOEXEC.BAT (later versions of DOS only). Not required, but it does 
speed up the image boot, and it doesn't really make a lot of sense to 
bypass them anyway.

The files that are on the source diskette (for the VMDISK command) 
are:
=================================================
IBMDOS.COM
IBMBIO.COM
COMMAND.COM  
AUTOEXEC.BAT  
CONFIG.SYS 
FSACCESS.EXE
FSFILTER.SYS 
WINA20.386 
=================================================
(the first two are hidden, and may be different, depending on what 
version of DOS  you are using). Most of the DOS stuff is on the hard 
disk.

I can run my old, real, Win31 system, by typing WINOS2 at the command 
line, but I suspect that this may work, because I did install OS/2 
(ages ago) as a Dualboot setup, which modified the Win.INI, and 
SYSTEM.INI files to include the OS/2 support. You might have to add 
some lines, from the WinOS2 version of these files, to get this to 
work.

Hope this helps...
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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          11-Oct-99 21:45:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

PG (pgiang@my-deja.com) wrote:
: "Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't update BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards":
: What's the exact details on this? Haven't heard or seen anything like
: this.

: So maybe you can further check with your dealer about:
: - which Tekram card(s) has this mentioned problem?
: - the deatils of the problem? &
: - if they did sell any Tekram cards in their store? (maybe they only
: have Adaptec's available and have to figure out something negative to
: those they don't)

No, they actually sell a whole line of Adaptec and Tekram cards. They have
excellent choice in that regard. They reported no problem with HP but some
problems (didn't specify) with Yamaha. It was the Tekram 390F I believe,
but I'm not sure...

Hopefully it's just a Yamaha specific problem, as the Tekram's are MUCH
more affordable!


Isaac

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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   11-Oct-99 17:41:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-dRlPrGkrw24e@localhost>, on 10/11/99 
   at 07:02 PM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

>On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:25:05, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

>> If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The Tekram's
>> are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.
>> 

>I have a TekRam DC-390U. It seems to work quite well, but all I have 
>attached, is an Epson ES-1000C scanner. There is one, serious problem,
>and one not so serious, that I have not figured 
>out.

>The serious problem, is that my system won't boot, if I have been 
>running OS/2, and try to restart (using CAD). It gets to the place 
>where the TekRam BIOS puts up that fancy header, and scans for 
>devices, but that never happens, it just sits there with the cursor 
>flashing in the upper left corner. Now, this is not a problem, as long
>as I am there to turn the machine off, and on again, but if I get a 
>trap, which blows OS/2 right out of the water (I have mine set to 
>restart, if that happens), it gets to that point, and that is the end 
>of the game (until I find it stuck, and turn it off, and on again). 
>Not great, but it almost never happens, so I have been living with it.
>There is no problem rebooting after I have been running DOS/Win31. Any
>suggestions are welcome.

>The other (not very serious) problem, is that the driver is a 
>"non-resource manager aware" driver. That means that the normal RMVIEW
>ouitput, and the Hardware manager output, will not include any data 
>about what resources the card is using.

The way to sneak up on and capture the data--it works for me on another
scsi card which isn't sensed by the os/2 system utility--is to rmview
/ioa, and then search the output.

-- 
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DemostiX
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From: jrslagle@mindspring.com                           11-Oct-99 14:35:29
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:29
Subj: On board Adaptec-no CDROM

From: "John Slagle" <jrslagle@mindspring.com>

I have an Iwill with an onboard Adaptec 7880 single channel. This board as
an Intel 460TX Chipset.

The WARP 4 installation is unable to see the CDROM. I do not get a CDROM
error.  Experimenting with the various versions of the driver I can get a
pair of SYS000627 errors after the driver logs on toward the end of disk 2.

I have three versions of the Adaptec driver, 97, 98, and one dated 1-13-99.

I have been reading about various installation techniques and experimenting
with a couple of my own.  For WARP 4 I think I want to add the basedev
statement to the CONFIG.SYS rather than depend upon the .SNP file to load it
for me.  I have been deleting all the other Adaptec, QLogic, & DPT .add and
.snp files to make room for the new driver.  I have been removing .SNP files
from the SNOOP.LST for the same manufacturers.  I also removed the SBCD2
files on one attempt.

I know there is nothing wrong with the CD, disk or controller.  I can F3 to
a command prompt and format the disk with HPFS (with the help of disk 3.)  I
can also install NT 4 without any problem.

If I am not able to resolve this problem, I am wondering if it only exists
during install.  I might be tempted to install with floppies.  I also have
an Adaptec 2940 that I could put the CDROM on.  I think this board and the
7880 controller both use the same driver.

I believe this to be a commom problem that has to do with the Intel chipset.
I know the raidbus slot never worked as advertised.  I bought this board
about a year ago but have not been able to upgrade my computer until now.

The MB is an Iwill P55XUW.  The controller is 7880 single channel ultra
wide. The disk is IBM 9gig UW.
The CDROM is a Toshiba 4 speed.  I have also tried a Plextor 6 speed.

Thanks,
John



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From: drowelf@nospamvnet.net                            11-Oct-99 17:57:25
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: WinOs/2 Printing now has Blobs

From: "Eric A. Erickson" <drowelf@nospamvnet.net>

On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 14:59:13 +0100, Tony Wright wrote:

A load of crap, that I do not appreciate. 

BTW, smart xss I solved the problem. 
Elvish Software Foundry, Inc.    		- Internet:  drowelf@vnet.net
IBM Certified OS/2 Warp Engineer 	- IBMLink:   HONE81(ESFISA1)
IBM Certified OS2/ Warp Developer & Associate Visual Age C++ Developer
'Already where I want to be Today 	- Voice/Fax: (281)-398-2625 <-Newe'


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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    11-Oct-99 22:43:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

How do I install two SCSI adapters in the same machine?

I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
without the scanner having been on during boot.

The card is supposed to be supported from the installation CD but
Selective Install  says the directory is not valid. Where is the driver
supposed to be?

Pierre
-- 
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                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
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From: fjones@onlink.net                                 11-Oct-99 20:34:22
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: WinOs/2 Printing now has Blobs

From: "Frank Jones" <fjones@onlink.net>

In <qebjrysiargarg.fjgl0f1.pminews@news.swbell.net>, on 10/11/99 
   at 05:57 PM, "Eric A. Erickson" <drowelf@nospamvnet.net> said:

>On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 14:59:13 +0100, Tony Wright wrote:

>A load of crap, that I do not appreciate. 

><snip>

Which just proves that old saying: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
!-)

I would have really appreciated a 'cartload' from Tony about my "System
Freeze" problem,  [now posted as: ||Q: PCI Video and INTA?||  in the
comp.os.os2.setup.video Newsgroup] - 'cause there is usually at least one
rose growing from the dung... eh hemh, artfully wicked prose..


Grace and peace to you,
Frank.
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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          12-Oct-99 09:19:18
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

You have to revert your system back to VGA by typing
SETVGA at a command prompt or hitting Alt-F1 at the
OS/2 blob and selecting F3 (I think) I tried SDD beta 7
and wanted to reinstall my Matrox drivers (G-400) The
Matrox readme says you can reinstall from the MGA
directory but that didn't work for me. I had to reinstall
from the unzipped archive. I've never found a way of 
removing the installed GRADD components though
from GRADD 0.79.

Cheers

Wayne

On 10 Oct 1999 14:35:15 EDT, Jules Greenstein wrote:

:>        I recently installed the GRADD0.80 display drivers in my Warp 4
Fixpak
:>11 Matrox Millenium system.
:>        
:>        Now I would like to uninstall them and return to my Matrox 2.31
:>drivers.  Can someone tell me how?
:>        
:>        Simply changing my CONFIG.SYS to my previous Matrox version doesn't
do
:>the job.  I get a System Stopped with a DOSCALL1 fault.  (Removing CONFIG
:>rerences to Process Commander doesn't help).
:>        
:>         I had decided to try the GRADD because of problems getting a
WIN-OS2
:>window into my Comm4.61.
:>        With the latest GRADD I cannot get a WIN-OS2 window to install at
all.
:> (It appears invisibly and I have to kill it with Process Commander).
:>         Even more important, I have lost the ability to magnify my screen
:>with an MGA Hotkey which was a major virtue of the Matrox driver.
:>         
:>         Can someone advise me on:
:>          1. Uninstalling the GRADD and re-installing the Matrix, or
:>          2. Getting the GRADD to give me a seamless Win-os2 in and out of
:>Netscape and giving me the ability to magnify the screen with a hotkey.
:>
:>           Thanks.
:>         
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   12-Oct-99 01:17:16
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


Doug Bissett wrote:
> 
[...]
> The other (not very serious) problem, is that the driver is a
> "non-resource manager aware" driver. That means that the normal RMVIEW
> ouitput, and the Hardware manager output, will not include any data
> about what resources the card is using.
> 
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

If you put the /DA switch to the rmview command, you will see the device
listed like this :

    Detected Hardware Function: PCI Device 01-00-00

    PCI Device ID: 1000000F

    IRQ Level = 11  PCI Pin = A     Flg = SHARED
    I/O = 0X6100  Len = 256  Flg = EXCLUSIVE   Addr Lines = 16
    Memory Base = 0XE1007000  Size = 00000100  Flg =  EXCLUSIVE
    Memory Base = 0XE1008000  Size = 00001000  Flg =  EXCLUSIVE

The driver is listed like this:

    Driver: TMSCSIW.ADD  -  Tekram DC-390U/W/F/U2 PCI SCSI Adapter Driver
    Vendor: IBM OS/2  Version: 1.1  Date (MDY): 10/23/1998
    Flag:   STATIC     Type-Subtype: ADDDM - ADD

Watch: It is not listed as "Non-Resource manager aware", although the driver
evidently doesn't
register itself with RESMGR$ .

The same problem exists with IBM (!) PCI TokenRing Adapters and Matrox
Graphics Adapters . The
drivers for those are really "non-resource manager aware" . The TR driver
lists as follows:

    Driver: C:\IBMCOM\MACS\IBMTRP.OS2  -  Non-Resource manager aware device
driver
    Vendor: Unknown Vendor  Version: 1.1  Date (MDY): 9/17/1994
    Flag:   STATIC     Type-Subtype: OS2 -

btw: The "Unknown Vendor" is IBM ;-)


I think this comes from either the missing snooper for that specific device,
or the not updated vendor and device database for the PCIBUS snooper.

The only PCI device ever I saw listed in the hw manager was an Adaptec .


Bye/2
Meinolf


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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   12-Oct-99 00:00:23
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: On board Adaptec-no CDROM

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>

Hello John,

John Slagle wrote:
> 
> I have an Iwill with an onboard Adaptec 7880 single channel. This board as
> an Intel 460TX Chipset.
[...]
> 
> If I am not able to resolve this problem, I am wondering if it only exists
> during install.  I might be tempted to install with floppies.  I also have
> an Adaptec 2940 that I could put the CDROM on.  I think this board and the
> 7880 controller both use the same driver.
> 

the 2940 uses the 7870 Chipset and the driver is called AIC7870.ADD. This
driver
will AFAIK *not* handle the newer 7880 Chipset. There is a AIC78U2.ADD driver 
introduced with DD FP1. It's as well available within the archive 7800fam.exe, 
which
is on ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/os2ddpak  (hope I got it
right).
I don't know if there is a Snooper as well. If you update your install disks,
don't
miss placing "SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1" into config.sys.

[...]
> 
> Thanks,
> John

Good luck
Meinolf


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From: jdparker@erols.com                                11-Oct-99 23:02:06
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: Can't get audio in WinOS/2

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:30:20, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a computer with an ESS 1938 PCI 3D audio chip set on it. Through
> > this forum I was able to find drivers that allowed me to get audio in
> > OS/2 (ftp://ftp.quasarbbs.com/os2/drivers/audio/ess/o2ensl17.zip). But I
> > haven't been able to get audio out of my Windows apps in WinOS/2. The
> > apps complain that there is no sound card. The same app  has no such
> > difficulty when running in Windows 98. Any ideas on how to solve this
> > problem?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jim
> >
>
> As I understand it, the OS/2 driver does not, yet, support sound in a
> WinOS2 session. You will need to wait until the new driver is
> released, with that support. I believe this is documented in the stuff
> that comes with the driver.
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

I can't find anything that says one way or the other regarding support for
WinOS2 sessions in what came in the zip file. Is there some other
documentation you are talking about?

Thanks
Jim


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From: jdparker@erols.com                                11-Oct-99 23:46:04
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: Can't access CD-ROM from "DOS From A" session

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:44:51, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > When bringing up my "DOS From A" session, at the point where the CD-ROM
> > driver loads, the driver complains that it can't find a CD-ROM drive and
> > suggests that I make sure that the power cables are connected correctly.
> > The driver then doesn't load. It is the same setup that works when I
> > boot DOS directly. I'm trying to set up a "DOS from A" session that is
> > equivalent to one I had on an older machine, with a different CD-ROM and
> > different drivers.  Any ideas on how to make this work?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jim
> >
>
> You shouldn't need (or want) a DOS driver to access your CD-ROM drive.
> It shouild be supported by the OS/2 driver (mine is anyway-> P200 with
> IDE CD-ROM, and an old 486 with a Panasonic drive, attached to a
> SoundBlaster Virba16). Just take the driver out of the CONFIG.SYS, and
> remove the MSCDEX line from the AUTOEXEC.BAT.
>
> My CONFIG.SYS (I am using IBM PC-DOS 7.0, but this works for most DOS
> versions after 3.3) looks like:
> =============================================
> DEVICE=FSFILTER.SYS
> DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\HIMEM.SYS
> DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\EMM386.SYS
> DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
> DOS=HIGH,UMB
> FILES=30
> BUFFERS=20
> LASTDRIVE=Z
> DEVICEHIGH=D:\OS2\MDOS\ANSI.SYS
> SWITCHES=/N
> ============================================
> Note the use of the OS/2 drivers for HIMEM.SYS, EMM386.EXE, and
> ANSI.SYS, as well as the FSFILTER.SYS entry, which is required for
> proper disk access (including, HPFS and CD-ROM access, the only disk
> type that is usable, without this, is a FAT partition, look them up in
> the help.). FSFILTER does NOT let DOS programs see long file names,
> and it does NOT allow a native DOS session to see HPFS drives. OS/2
> must be booted for it to work.
>
> My AUTOEXEC.BAT looks like:
> ============================================
> @ECHO OFF
> @call C:\IBMAV\IBMAVDS C:\IBMAV\
> LH D:\OS2\MDOS\MOUSE.COM
> LH C:\DOS\DOSKEY FINDFILE=DIR /A /S /B $*
> C:\DOS\DOSKEY EDIT=QBASIC/EDITOR $*
> C:\DOS\DOSKEY MEM=C:\DOS\MEM $*
> C:\DOS\DOSKEY FORMAT=C:\DOS\FORMAT $*
> C:\DOS\DOSKEY EXIT=D:\OS2\MDOS\EXIT_VDM
> SET PATH=C:\UTILITY;C:\DOS;C:\DOS\DOS5;D:\OS2\MDOS;C:\WINDOWS
> SET PROMPT=DOS700 $P$G
> SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
> SET TMP=C:\TEMP
> SET WIN3DIR=C:\WINDOWS
> SET WIN$=C:\WINDOWS
> REM ** Added by S23 Setup **
> SET BLASTER=A220 I9 D3 T4
> SET SOUND16=C:\AW35SND
> rem C:\AW35SND\CS32MIX.EXE /M=15 /W=15 /L=4 /X=0 /F=15 /C=15
> VER
> =================================================
> Note the use of the OS/2 program for the mouse, and the DOSKEY command
> that turns "EXIT" into " "VDM_EXIT" , which is the proper command to
> get out of  the session (you may have a problem with equating EXIT to
> VDM_EXIT, if you use EXIT for other things).
>
> This is also run from an image file (look up the VMDISK command),
> which makes it run much faster. Note the last line in CONFIG.SYS. This
> bypasses the wait (where the system says something like "Starting PC
> DOS...", where you can press F5 to bypass processing CONFIG.SYS, and
> AUTOEXEC.BAT (later versions of DOS only). Not required, but it does
> speed up the image boot, and it doesn't really make a lot of sense to
> bypass them anyway.
>
> The files that are on the source diskette (for the VMDISK command)
> are:
> =================================================
> IBMDOS.COM
> IBMBIO.COM
> COMMAND.COM
> AUTOEXEC.BAT
> CONFIG.SYS
> FSACCESS.EXE
> FSFILTER.SYS
> WINA20.386
> =================================================
> (the first two are hidden, and may be different, depending on what
> version of DOS  you are using). Most of the DOS stuff is on the hard
> disk.
>
> I can run my old, real, Win31 system, by typing WINOS2 at the command
> line, but I suspect that this may work, because I did install OS/2
> (ages ago) as a Dualboot setup, which modified the Win.INI, and
> SYSTEM.INI files to include the OS/2 support. You might have to add
> some lines, from the WinOS2 version of these files, to get this to
> work.
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

This is my config.sys:
======================================
DEVICE=FSFILTER.SYS
REM DEVICE=A:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\EMM386.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\ANSI.SYS
FILES=40
BUFFERS=25
LASTDRIVE=O
REM device=A:\CdExpert\actcd.sys /d:mscd001
=====================================

and this is my autoexec.bat:
=====================================
ECHO OFF
PROMPT $P$G
SET COMSPEC=A:\COMMAND.COM
REM A:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /d:mscd001
E:\OS2\MDOS\MOUSE.COM
PATH A:\DOS
REM drivers for LS120 parallel port
A:\SDDOS\SD120PPD.EXE /NI
A:\SDDOS\ASPIHDRM.EXE
A:\DOS\DOSKEY.COM
====================================

I think I'll change the last line to:
A:\DOS\DOSKEY EXIT=E:\OS2\MDOS\EXIT_VDM
Thanks for that idea to help exiting the session.

However, it is the two CD-ROM statements (1 each in config.sys and
autoexec.bat) which are REM'ed out here that are the subject of this
discussion. With those two statements not REM'ed out, I get the error I
described and no access to the CD-ROM. With those two statements REM'ed out, I
of course don't get any error but I do not get access to the CD-ROM either.
"Normal" DOS sessions do see the CD-ROM.

Again I did not have this problem with my old computer. I did have CD-ROM
statments in my "DOS From A" config.sys and autoexec.bat. They were different
because the drivers were different but they worked. I don't know whether they
were necessary because I never tried it without them.

My "DOS From A" is also an image file of PC DOS 7 created by VMDISK. I do have
two unrealted questions concerning "DOS From A" sessions:
1. Can you set up a program object that will cause a DOS application to be
brought up in a DOS session using that image file? I did the obvious (created
a program object, set the program path and file name and set the
DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE to point to the image file) but it didn't work. It just
brought PC DOS 7 up to a command prompt. It did not start up the application.
2. Can you set up a "DOS from A" type session that starts from an image file
and can actually access your floppy drive?

Thanks
Jim

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From: "ihammes"@suffolk.lib,ny.us                       12-Oct-99 00:14:24
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: XFREE86OS/2 and emx -- which ver. where?

From: ian <"ihammes"@suffolk.lib,ny.us>

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I just spent a couple of hours preparing warp4 fp10 for xfree86os/2.
After clearing up the various errors i ran xf86config and got "The
system could not demand load the Applications segment
XF86Config->emxlibcm.1370 is in error"
os2popuplog
10-11-1999  23:37:56  SYS2070  PID 0040  TID 0001  Slot 0057
C:\XFREE86\BIN\XF86CONFIG.EXE
XF86CONFIG->EMXLIBCM.1370
182
I tried to d'load and reinstall emx from hobbes but got the same error.
I don't know what else to try.  I just installed linux on my other
partition and am liking it!
I would like to get this sucker going if someone could help?

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<html>
<b><tt>I just spent a couple of hours preparing warp4 fp10 for
xfree86os/2.&nbsp;
After clearing up the various errors i ran xf86config and got "The system
could not demand load the Applications segment XF86Config->emxlibcm.1370
is in error"</tt></b>
<br><b><tt>os2popuplog</tt></b>
<br><b><tt>10-11-1999&nbsp; 23:37:56&nbsp; SYS2070&nbsp; PID 0040&nbsp;
TID 0001&nbsp; Slot 0057</tt></b>
<br><b><tt>C:\XFREE86\BIN\XF86CONFIG.EXE</tt></b>
<br><b><tt>XF86CONFIG->EMXLIBCM.1370</tt></b>
<br><b><tt>182</tt></b>
<br><b><tt>I tried to d'load and reinstall emx from hobbes but got the
same error.</tt></b>
<br><b><tt>I don't know what else to try.&nbsp; I just installed linux
on my other partition and am liking it!</tt></b>
<br><b><tt>I would like to get this sucker going if someone could
help?</tt></b></html>

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    12-Oct-99 04:27:27
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: Install Win-0S2 in native Dos

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

/2 User (nospam_evr@spam.net) wrote:
: Is their any way to do this from the OS/2 CD?

	It will never work since Win-OS/2 is dependent on OS/2's DPMI.  
No other like CWDPMI will work either, trust me, I've tried many times to 
syke out Linux's DOSEMU with that and it never would run.


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From: billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net                12-Oct-99 03:21:02
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: "Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:12:04 +0400, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

:>Anyone else noticed this? After applying FP12 to my Warp 4 machine I am
:>getting very strange sounds from my HDD. At the very end of boot
:>sequence, just after the screen is cleared from drivers' boot messages
:>and before the blue PM color appears - my hard disk now makes a long
:>harsh ar-r-r-r sound like its heads are trying to go past the disk
:>surface :-). The sound lasts for 5-6 sec, boot then proceeds normally
:>and everything works fine, but I'm really scared to reboot my machine
:>now, I am not sure how long my HDD will survive this kind of "surface
:>testing". Needless to say, I've run checkdisk and GTU disk checker
:>several times with no errors of any kind reported.
:>
:>The system is AMD K6-266, ASUS P55T2P4 mobo with 128M RAM, Tekram
:>DC-390F UW SCSI adapter and WD 3.4G UW SCSI attached (it also has second
:>EIDE WD 3.6G disk, used for storage only). Device drivers are left at
:>FP10 level, e.g. I did not apply DD Fixpack. Other hardware includes
:>ESS1868 sound card, two NICs (Realtek 8029 and DEC 41021 chipsets) and
:>Matrox Millenium I PCI video. The only device driver that was upgraded
:>simultaneously with applying FP12 is Matrox one, now at v.2.31.100.
:>
:>Cheers,
:>Ivan
:>
:>-- 
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>
I would say it's highly unlikey that the video drivers affected the way the
hard drive is being accessed.  However, I've seen weirder things happen with
video drivers.

I have a G400 running the same drivers, and I don't have the problem.

Bill
Bill
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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              12-Oct-99 06:40:07
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Pierre Jelenc wrote:
> 
> How do I install two SCSI adapters in the same machine?
> 
    Just make sure there is a free IRQ for each adapter.
    I had no trouble installing two adapters from different vendors
(adaptec and mylex).

> I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
> connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
> without the scanner having been on during boot.
> 
> The card is supposed to be supported from the installation CD but

    I believe that the AHA-1540 driver also works for the ava-1502.

> Selective Install  says the directory is not valid. Where is the driver
> supposed to be?
> 
    Which directory? Or is it one of those vague non-helpful messages
that basically say "Wrong!"?


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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       12-Oct-99 09:25:02
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: INI files and display setting snafu

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Raphael,

NEVER TROW AWAY YOUR INI FILES unless you are willing to reinstall.

The INI's contain much more then just WPS information. CHECKINI,
WPSBKP/WPSREST only touch the WPS stuff inside the INI's.

Have your tried de-installing X-Folder?

Henk

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> 
> It happened that my replacement IBM hard drive and the new
> Philips monitor showed up the same day, so I decided to do
> everything at once (including FP12, but that's a different
> perhaps happier story).  Once I had the HD basically
> running, I attached the monitor, and changed the resolution.
> 
> Unfortunately while everything seems to be running fine,
> something's wrong with my INI files, I think because of the
> new resolution.
> 
> I can run checkini and reset the WPS, and things'll be
> peachuy.  However, when I shut down using those ini files, I
> get a TRAP000d -- kind of a strange one, because everything
> seems to shut down perfectly -- the TRAP issues only after
> the "It is now safte to reboot..." appears (or, when I use
> the Xfolder shutdown-and-reboot, immediately after it shows
> "setboot Warp4" or whatever the message is).  It's as though
> the system traps trying to reset to standard mode off of VGA
> -- which I could live with except I have to wait 20 minutes
> for chkdsk to run through all my HPFS partitions.
> 
> I've tried any manner of trying to fix it: reset to VGA and
> reinstall the Matrox drivers -- including the latest
> (2.31.100) and an earlier (2.22.078).  What happens is, if I
> reset to VGA to install the drivers, I'm unable to reset the
> display to anything *but* VGA: though I can select a higher
> resolution, when I shut down (even in the rare case that I
> don't get a trap immediately after) and reboot, it still
> comes up in VGA mode.  If I don't reset to VGA when I
> install the drivers, I get the trap d after boot (9 times
> out of 10).  I also attempted to run the Matrox UNINSTAL
> program on my boot partition, then reinstalling the driver
> -- 2.31 in that case -- still no dice.
> 
> So, at this point I'm running off of a Fixpack12'd old
> installation, with "uncleaned" INI files.  And things seem
> to be working very well.  Unfortunately sooner or later I'm
> going to want to have clean INI files.  I suspect that
> eventually I'm going to have to recreate my desktop,
> probably using Henk's WPSREST.  (So, if y'all haven't got
> the solution to the above question, perhaps someone could
> offer advice about the best way to destroy and recreate my
> ini files with WPSREST... just delete OS2.INI and
> OS2SYS.INI, reboot. and run WPSREST?)
> 
> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          12-Oct-99 09:51:04
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 10:16:26
Subj: Re: WinOs/2 Printing now has Blobs

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:57:51, "Eric A. Erickson" <drowelf@nospamvnet.net> a
Úcrit dans un message:

> On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 14:59:13 +0100, Tony Wright wrote:
> 
> A load of crap, that I do not appreciate. 
> 
> BTW, smart xss I solved the problem. 
> Elvish Software Foundry, Inc.    		- Internet:  drowelf@vnet.net
> IBM Certified OS/2 Warp Engineer 	- IBMLink:   HONE81(ESFISA1)
> IBM Certified OS2/ Warp Developer & Associate Visual Age C++ Developer
> 'Already where I want to be Today 	- Voice/Fax: (281)-398-2625 <-Newe'
> 
> 

That's the entire article I see. Nothing there that indicates why this 
wasn't sent by email, instead of posted to USENET.

And if the problem got solved, after being posted here, it's only polite to
explain something about the solution that was found.

This is an OS/2 group, by the way, not over there in the mass-market morass
of windows groups.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    12-Oct-99 13:51:18
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

James Moe  <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> writes:
> 
>     Just make sure there is a free IRQ for each adapter.

I thought I did but I wonder now:

 IRQ Level =  0  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
 IRQ Level =  1  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard Controller
 IRQ Level =  2  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
 IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_1 Serial Controller
 IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_2 Serial Controller
 IRQ Level =  4  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0 Serial Controller
 IRQ Level =  5  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUDIO_0 ESS AudioDrive
 IRQ Level =  6  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy Controller
 IRQ Level =  8  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
 IRQ Level = 11  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
 IRQ Level = 12  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary Device Controller
 IRQ Level = 14  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller

Except I don't see either of them! What is this "Adaptec AIC7870"? My two
cards are an AHA 2940AU, which works, and an AVA 1502E which does not
(that's the one I'm trying to load a driver for).

>     I believe that the AHA-1540 driver also works for the ava-1502.

So in theory I should not need to do any more than plug it in?

>     Which directory? Or is it one of those vague non-helpful messages
> that basically say "Wrong!"?

I:\OS2IMAGE

(I: is the correct CD drive, and the Warp CD is in the drive)

Pierre
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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  11-Oct-99 21:22:01
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: (1/2) Physician Heal thyself: was Re: Is there a hardware Dr. in the ho

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Jeff Welton wrote:

> I've had the most difficult times trying to get my system back in
> working condition.
>
> Like an idiot

well..... it's easy to be wise after the event so no argument
here.....<vbg>

> I decided to try the Preview version of ScITech Display
> Doctor.  That program wrought havoc to my display system.  It deleted
> my Trio S3 video drivers and I suspect did my system considerable
> damage.

Oh my - here we go again! The SDD is in Beta, therefore unless you have
rather more than just a  rudimentary knowledge (in this case of video
subsystem) then you are ILL ADVISED to trial a beta particularly if you
don't have backups......(eg backing up SVGADATA.PMI together with
availability of S3 driver installation would have been a good start
<g>).
What happened when you reverted to VGA?  Did you subsequently remove all
traces of SDD from config and delete appropriate SDD directories?
What version of S3 were you using before? Was it native drivers or Gradd
compared to what you are using now?

But admittedly it's far easier to preserve one's self esteem/ego by
blaming ones gullibility/lack of forethought on someone elses piece of
software...<vbg>
That idealistic premise of: "It it aint working or tested properly it
shouldn't be made available to people who can't or won't read all the
documentation" is hardly a very pragmatic approach when one is arguably
trying to cost effectively develop code with a far greater user test
base and still take reasonable precautions to prevent the technically
naive or gullible from shooting themselves in the foot<g>.

A closed(registered) Beta test is fine if the resulting price warrants
the extra overhead and adequate test coverage can be assured but if you
have a "low cost" item that requires an infinitely wider test spread how
do you reconcile these opposing objectives?
While sypathetic to your predictament I don't agree that denigrating a
Beta process is warranted to excuse your (I'm sorry, but to be brutal)
culpable stupidity......
Having said that no doubt the process could still be improved by
inserting a more "visual" and blatant warning in both docs/readme's and
driver installation code for those that still don't dilengently "look
before they leap".......and even that still won't stop the minority that
persist in "travelling" with both eyes and ears firmly shut!<g>. 

> My Warp 4 system was at FP12 and working exceptionally well prior to
> the SDD episode.  Everything was running great: OD2.0, TCP4.1, SS/2
> with the latest update, Communicator 4.61, and a bunch of registered
> (and paid for) OS/2 applications.

Does "working exceptionally well" = complacency in not backing up both
system and services configurations,critical files including a SYSLEVEL
output perhaps?

Specifically does latest update only apply to SS/2 presumably? So what
about MPTS,TCP4.1,OD2 fixes? ...and in what order were they (if at all)
applied?
DDFP1? or IDEDASD? with or without /!SHUTDOWN parameter on IBM1S506 line
or using perhaps a Danis driver instead?  
>
> Eventually I was able to find/download and reinstall my S3 Trio drivers
> but before,

QED - ergo: you installed a new "unknown" driver w/o ensuring you had
original drivers and/or effective backout plan!
Such elementary lessons thus come at some significant cost in 
time,grief and/or money...    :-(

> during and after getting it back to normal I kept
> experiencing
> a 'slow' problem.  My system is a 200 Pentium with 64 megs of RAM and
> a 6 gig hard drive.  What was happening was: I'd click an icon to open a
> program, or go to a prompt and type a command and the system would
> sit there for a second, then I'd hear a whirring sound in the CPU unit,

That's a new one! - Personally I've never heard a CPU "whir".... at
least not  since I tried a working replica of Charles Babbages's
Difference Engine!<g>.....    Thermionic valves - possibly - solid
state  - I think not.....(unless you've discovered an unforeseen piezo
electric side effect that is transducting in the audio spectrum)?<vbg>
However if you meant CPU as a generic term for the "base" unit and more
likely including the "noise" from a HDD specifically then I apologise
for being pendant with the semantics or amibiguities of your terminology
.... <g>

> a
> couple of clicks and finally the action would take place.  It was very
> annoying.  I did not have this problem prior to the SDD installation but
> maybe SDD had nothing to do with it.  Maybe it was just 'time'.

or even intervention by a poltergeist perhaps or are you a proponent of
some "chaos" theory?

> Try to view the drives on the drives object and after clicking it
> wouldn't
> instantly open as it had always does.  Instead it hesitates, then whirrs
> and a click or two and the folder would open and the drive objects would
> appear.  Once there I was fine unless I jumped from one drive object to
> another then it would go into that slow access whir/click routine.
>
> So I figured my 6gig hard drive was going out on me.  The machine is
> about 5 years old.

Perhaps not a completely unreasonable supposition even if the actual
usuage during that period todate was considerably less than predicted
MTBF spec for drive.
But did you attempt to qualify this "hypothesis" by running any
diagnostics first?  
Admittedly the cost of DASD is relatively cheap and the most expensive
part is the data (and effort to restore it) so it would be prudent to
invest in a "replacement" before a drive fails if there is any doubt?   
>  I archived everything on each partition using RAR
> and
> asked a reliable computer geek where I could someone to replace the hard
> drive.
Who was also OS/2 literate and also offered a list of both satisfied
OS/2 and non-OS/2 customers to support his reccomendation no doubt?
CAVEAT EMPTOR......

>  I've personally added modem cards, more memory, a second hard
> drive and an external CD ROM but I didn't want to screw this up and lose
> all my archived data and updated programs and applications.
Two questions:
1. Does this imply your existing CD ROM is external? If so
type/connection method/adapter details (and additionally termination
type/id if SCSI) is required.
2. Does this imply all your current backups were on the PC as shipped to
repairer or you prudently retained additional off line backups?
>
> He referred me to a small computer repair company and they said they
> could
> replacethe hard drive, install the other as a slave drive so I could
> access the
> archived data.  "I'm using OS/2, will that be a problem?"  "No, just
> give us the
> CD and install disks."  They promised to have the machine back in a day
> or
> at most, two days and assured me they were OS/2 literate.

Apparently what they actually meant by "literate" was they could spell
it? <vbg>

>
> Three days later one of the repair guys calls to ask "Why are you
> using OS/2?"  "What does it matter?" I ask.  "Wouldn't it be better for
> you to use Win98?"  "No, it wouldn't.  Is there a problem?  What is
> taking so long?"  "No, no problem we're just wondering why you would
> use OS/2."  "Because I LIKE OS/2, okay?"  "Sure...."
>
> Another two days go by and I've heard nothing.  Installing a hard drive
> can't be that difficult!  I call.  They admit an inability to get OS/2
> installed
> on a ten gig drive.  You told me you were OS/2 literate.  You know that
> you have to change a driver on the install disk and insert a new
> statement
> in the disk config.sys, right?  "Huh???"  I said to hell with it, just
> return the
> machine and I would install OS/2.
>
> They finally return the machine.  I have a 10gig and the 6 gig as a
> slave
> and PREMIUM prices.

On same IDE channel/controller presumably? One could also (albeit
pendantically) infer you are stating both devices are "slave" from a
literal interpretation of your statement?

Thus please be more precise,unambiguous and quantative on your
configuration details.

>
> I insert the OS/2 installation disk and I get nothing.  It says it is
> looking for
> the boot sector on the floppy but none is found.  Hummm...  Did
> something
> happen to the install disk?  Is it deleted?  I check on a neighbors
> machine.
> No, all is there.  I update it with drivers to see about 8.4gig but it
> is ignored.
> I try another disk and again, the screen says "A" drive not found.
> Aha...
> So I open the thing up and sure enough, those idiots didn't plug the
> ribbon
> cable back in the floppy drive.  No wonder they couldn't install OS/2.
> DUH!
Well if they were totally incompetent then possibly, but I seriously
doubt that.... more likely they were desperately temporarily
disconnecting devices looking for potential conflicts in OS/2
recognising the large IDE in absence of knowing about FDISK/BM/OS2
driver 1024 cyl geometry limitations etc. 
However it's also possible they experimented elsewhere.   :-( 
Perhaps with LBA/CHS/Large disk,DOS>1Gb etc settings?
>
> That fixed I then proceed to the OS/2 installation.  It goes well, no
> problems
> with the install but the system still has that sluggish, whirr, click
> click sound.
> I figure I'll deal with that later, just let me get everything back in
> working
> order.  I copy the archived files over from the slave drive and reformat
> it,
> repartition the new 10 GIG and unarchive everything back to new
> partitions.
> It all works fine.  But still the system is slow and sluggish.
>
> I install NS202 so I can upgrade Warp 4 to FP12, then install
> Communicator 4.61,
> Feature Installer 1.25, Java 118/Swing and get it all back in shape.
> Now I try
> installing Object Desktop 2.0.  It gets nearly to the end and complains
> it can't
> go on but the error explanation is incomplete.  No big deal, I can try
> it later.
> I try SmartSuite/2 and when I reboot the locked driver statement comes
> up
> and just sits there.  The system will go absolutely no where.  I'm
> freaking
> pissed off at this point.
Me too..... again did you not check any install log for relevant clues?
>  It means a whole new reinstall of OS/2.  I
> boot from
> disks just to take a look around and reboot back to normal several times
> but still sit at the "locked driver" statement.  Thirty minutes later it
> is
> obvious I'm not going to get to my desktop.  I keep OS/2 installed on
> one
> 750 meg partition 'just in case' while everything else goes to other
> partitions.
>
> I start a new install of OS/2, go through all the motions of setu up
> again.
> This all takes hours.  OB2.0 still refuses to install (it is on CD so
> what's the
> problem, the CD is pristine, no scratches, it always worked before).  I
> try
> OD1.5 and it installs easy enough.
An understandably simplistic approach ignoring all possibilities that
the uplevel version possibly registers new WP classes and has different
resource hooks/entry points to the older one?
>
> Now at this point I'm still at level 1 of Warp 4.  I have to upgrade to
> FP12 so I
> begin that procedure.  
Ahhh so presumably although your original installation was at FP12 you
didn't either keep dsk or zip images? Unless you are severely
constrained on DASD then you have option of defining RSU to keep it's
$rsutemp$ directory and thus retaining the option of re-applying the FP
if at any time in future you have to re-install say any affected modules
via their GA/ship level versions. You also have option of d/l but not
implicitly installing the FP in one go.....   
>New RSU setup, I get to the update site and begin
> the
> automatic upgrade process.  All is going along well, it is near 2am in
> the morning.
> I get to FP12 disk 4 and suddenly nothing.  The file doesn't appear to
> be transferring.
> I look at the dialer and sure enough nothing is downloading.  I figure
> the connection
> petered out so I reconnect.  
You seem to persist in a lot of subjective "figuring" without apparently
validating this with anything more quantative than a visual observation?
Did you not look at(or subsequently enable) any Dialler error logging.
In your situation with multiple problems I think I would want more
substantiated evidence to either prove a related problem or confirm a
seperate one? 

>I go back and start all over again knowing
> it should
> pick up but now the site won't come up.  I just sit and spin my little
> Communicator
> logo then finally get a notice that the site is unavailable.
>
> This morning I get up and go back but it takes a long time for the page
> to come up.  I start the process and it too takes a long time but it
> finally
> starts.   RSU menu comes up and says it will copy files to my disk.  It
> says
> select "Begin" to start the process.  I'm warned many files will
> download.
> The little menu says changing to directory ps/products/os2/rsu and I sit
> waiting and waiting.  I hear my system whirr up, a couple of clicks so I
> know
> data is transferring and then comes a warning sound and the RSU menu
> says "unknown failure - 0"  And that's it.  I try taking it out of
> verbose mode
> but still get the same error.  I then rename the old RSU files (dll too)
> and
> reinstall them again.   I figure the slow access must be an IBM server
> or
> web site problem because other sites come up quickly and other files
> transfer without a problem.  Finally I give up and hope to come back
> next
> week for the FP12 upgrade if I don't get it on manually.  In the
> meantime...
>
> I spend the next two hours downloading the FP11 files using WGET
> figuring
> I'll upgrade to FP11 so I can at least use Communicator/2.  I get them
> all, go
> to the VOICE web site, get the Fastkick141 file and try that method but
> it fails
> badly.  The Corrective Service Facility menu comes up and says it is
> inspecting the system then gives me the error:  "The path SET
> CSFCDROMDIR=G:\fp11
> does not exist or is invalid. "  What is this?  I installed FP8 and 9
> manually
> using the Fastkick method and never had this problem before.
>
> Ok.  I can live with a straight Warp 4 system and Netscape 2.02.  On
> Monday I will take the machine into the computer shop and see if
> they can't tell me what the problem is - why it goes whirr (sounds
> like it is winding itself up when a command is given) and the odd
> click, clicks.  But before I do:
>
> This is where I need a Hardware Doctor.

Seems a little premature to point the finger at a h/w defect at this

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  11-Oct-99 21:22:01
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: (2/2) Physician Heal thyself: was Re: Is there a hardware Dr. in the ho

stage given the little qualitative only diagnostic info you have
supplied?   From the symptoms given it could be even a simple case of
non-optimal APM Bios/driver settings.....  or even misconfigured CD
drive?
However if you don't have original PC or HDD self diagnostics and no
commercial equivalents (PCCheckit or similar) in order to check at least
the integrity of HDD's,transfer rates etc than you may need to browse
Hobbes for suitable alternatives....

Personally I would be very retiscent about returning the system to the
same PC shop that did the original install unless I was very determined
to ensure they either completed the OS/2 install correctly or returned
part of the costs they had charged for performing the promised service
that they are now apparently incapable of competently carrying out.
Using an alternative PC shop may just make the problem worse (even if
they are competent in both OS/2 and PC and their prices would no doubt
reflect that). At best they may well quite understandably charge for any
"reconfiguring" necessary due to original PC shop's ineptitude and at
worse convince you that other(unnecessary) items require replacing(eg if
they simply resolved a basic configuration error but took the
opportunity to "trade in" your RAM for a replacement at it's current
inflated prices - would you be any the wiser if your system was
subsequently working?).

If they are as indeed as incompetent as you allege then you are better
off "cutting your losses" before they do some real serious damage in
their futile inexpert efforts....
Particularly if also constrained by a limited budget then you are really
forced to explore the 3rd alternative of investing your own time/effort
in performing at least some basic diagnostics first?

> The problem was not a
> failing hard drive because the slave drive works just fine.  The
> access times and overall sluggishness of the system is the problem.
> Any ideas what the problem could be?  Maybe the power box?

Well if we're into unstructured speculation and WAG's then why stop
there? - Could also be disconnected CPU fans,thermal stressing,alpha
particle degradation,IRQ/Resource conflicts,Using Int13 bios driver
instead of IBM1S506, EMI/RF interference causing multiple bus
retries.....etc etc<vbg>....

With exception of resource conflict and possibly the Int13 driver they
are as equally unlikely or implausible(but not totally impossible<g>) as
even a power problem.....

Better to expend ones effort in looking for/discounting more likely
causes first.

> I ask because these computer guys are really expensive and if it
> were just a matter of replacing a component, like a power box or
> bad ram then I can do it.  (I'm a college student so money is very
> hard to come by. )

Obviously - the expensive part is paying for their accumulated
knowledge/expertise in "knowing" which part to replace and
"why" along with awareness of any contra-indications<g>.....
Why bother having doctors/consultants when any "nurse" can dispense the
actual medication?

You appear to have availed yourself of the equivalent of "very expensive
contract nurses" that either purported to be "doctors" or were not
professional enough to seek more authoritative "consultants" advice on
your behalf?

However no reputable "hardware Doctor" is going to offer a definitive
diagnosis without a lot more detail of symptoms,past medical history and
knowledge of what other "home brew" remedies you may have been
prescribed!   

> Any advice?  Thanks.
>
> Jeff

Superficially could be anything from APM powering down HDD to either
EA/INI' damage and/or corrupt partition tables .... disabled int/ext
cache.....IRQ/Resource conflicts...etc
Any reasonably mechanically competent and semi dexterous person can
insert a HDD in less than 10 minutes.... installing a minimal Warp4 GA
(even on slow CPU/IDE) should be less than 1 hour.
Competently testing it of course,burn in etc should take a minimum of 24
hours......
The only "expensive" bit you should pay for is their diagnostic
expertise when things don't initially work as expected<g>.......

That said it looks like you have a case for professional negligence if
not incompetence or at least breach of contract as they were patently
unable to deliver the required service to their advertised verbal
contract or agreement<vbg>.....
No telling what your Repair shop "cowboys" did - they could have
installed in another PC/ran W98 scandisk, re-jumpered/clocked the mobo,
altered bios setup,infected boot sector with a virus, anything!. The
fact they omitted to even re-test the FDD let alone re-connect it could
be cause for concern that they might have "experimented" elsewhere w/o
returning the system to it's original pre-repair/upgrade settings?
Diagnosing the fault doesn't require a Mensa IQ (although it can speed
things up a tad<g>) but simply requires a methodical structured
approach.
Of course you have detailed no useful info on your system configuration
so the obvious questions are:

1. What HDD/PC diagnostics if any have you got?

2. Do you have Partition magic,Graham Utilities,Gammatech or similiar?

3. What backups(if any<g>) do you have? Including Desktop archives,
Unimaint backups etc?

4. Results of running CHKDSK /F:2 at least twice  (preferably 32bit
version from utility diskettes that you naturally had the foresight to
make prior to this sorry scenario?)

5.Post system spec including SYSLEVEL output. This should include
ensuring that bus speed/multipliers are correctly set as per your
system/mobo docs for CPU type fitted and devices present.

6.Output of FDISK /QUERY   (pipe it via say c:\] fdisk /query >
fdisk.lst).

7.Post Bios version/level + setup (you presumably backed this up or
noted it previously?) in case your "repair" shop "re-tuned" it or
"re-flashed it" in the interim...<g>.

8.Results of INI maintenance(eg CHECKINI ex Henk Kelders WPTOOLS).

9.Output of RMVIEW ....... and physical detail of master/slave devices
on system. Thus to establish whether there is a possible IRQ/resource
conflict between 2 or more devices...

10. Specifically did you check master/slave configuration of all IDE
devices? (just in case you have a CD slave on secondary controller with
no master etc.... or some other non-optimal or illegal
configuration<g>).    Although not stated one assumes from your limited
description that you are all IDE and not SCSI but previous references to
external CDROM could imply otherwise?

11.Did you try removing all non-essential devices (ie all except new HDD
and CD) and try installing a base OS/2 first to see if problem is still
apparent(any reputable semi competent repair shop will use this obvious
technique first after running basic diagnostics). Disabling APM + PnP in
bios and drivers? Ensuring any "legacy"(ISA) adaptors had their
resources reserved in Bios such that PCI devices didn't conflict etc.... 

Until the perceived "response" problem is resolved then you are both
"wasting" your own time(and potentially others as well<g>) and
exacerbating  the problem difficulty by continuing thru install with
additional apps + other devices.
Like attaching a towbar and trailer to your car before resolving a
misfiring engine problem it's a lot harder(and potentially damaging) to
do so with the extra "weight/load" if you need to road test it!<g>

Further speculative conjecture is pointless until you post more detailed
info......   however you might get lucky and receive an accurate "wild
guess" in the interim....<g>....
Rather akin to  me stating that my 1968 Rover experimental car wouldn't
start, taking it to a garage (for a battery replacement) who weeks later
admit they unsuccessfully tried to start the engine but also wondered
why I have a gas turbine power lump instead of a conventional petrol
ICE/diesel and wouldn't I prefer to use the latter.....<g>
....but somebody else later makes a lucky guess that the pre-injector
"heaters" have been disconnected....(my fault for not reading the
installation instructions in that new engine management fuel saver
device I recently fitted)...
....thus YMMV......<vbg>
--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"Surgeon General's warning:  Inhaling OS/2 +  PC  after some amateur has
contaminated it can be detrimental to your blood pressure, sanity and/or
seriously damage your fiscal viability....." <vbg>

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  11-Oct-99 08:34:22
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: Setup string for file Type?

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Harald Portig wrote:

> I am using REXX Utility functions to create various types of desktop
> and file system objects by means of a tool called "MakeDesk" (v1.30 -
> Copyright 1993, Matthew Palcic).  This has become a convenient way for
> me to carry my system customization between different machines and
> OS/2 installations.  To use the tool one has to be able to know the
> proper setup strings.
>
> File system objects, i.e. files, are shown in the Properties notebook
> to have a "Type" such as "Plain Text" or "Acrobat Document", etc.  The
> type can then be used in a program object to create an association.
> If an association exists, the program object will be shown in the
> "Open As" menu of the data file.
>
> My question is:  What, if any, setup string is there that one can use
> to define the "Type" of an object when creating it with
> SysCreateObject?  If not, is there a way of customizing the "Open As"
> menu from SysCreateObject?

Not exactly clear whether you are simply asking for the syntax of the
relevant  setup strings for say Program Reference and Program file
objects, thus:
ASSOCFILTER=
ASSOCTYPE=
(multiple filename filters and types respectively are delimited with
comma's)
or asking for default list of filters/types as well?
Data objects then subsequently created would inherit these associations.

As regards the second part of your question :
Assuming OPEN =DEFAULT     (as opposed to SETTINGS which brings up
properties notebook) then I suspect you need to play with DEFAULTVIEW=
again SETTINGS(notebook properties), DEFAULT(as defined by object class)
or a number (for special class defined view) but I suspect the latter is
not going to easily achieve what you actually desire as generally you
are limited to child classes of WPDataFile such as OS/2 installed
defaults of WPBitmap, WPIcon, WPMet, WPPif, WPPointer, WPProgramFile,
WPCommandFile etc?. (and of course any
other new classes registered by subsequent apps you install).
EG You may find that DEFAULTVIEW=4096 for those data objects derived
from WPDataFile will associate to OS/2 System "E" Editor or 20587
associates objects  of WPWordObj class to WordPro etc.....

Thus these are the 3 basic ways to associate a data object with an
executable(cmd,exe,com):
1. By Association type
2. By Association filter
3. By it's WP class.

Now question is how much of the above does your utility do (if you port
a desktop to an identical PC with same apps in same locations then no
problem)? Otherwise you may need to register new WP classes or alter
paths to resource DLL's and exe's etc as well?

Incidentally do you port Launchpad/WarpCentre customisations as
well?<g>......
(No disrespect to Mathew P's utility but I suspect you would have to
augment it somewhat in order to incorporate the latter if these are
required).  Various utilities have been developed since 1993 that take a
lot of the "grunt" work out of this that you may wish to evaluate before
potentially re-inventing the wheel? EG: checkout Henk Kelders WPBKUP
(part of WPTOOLS) on Hobbes and perhaps even RoboSave?
If you find any which generate Rexx Script (ala SAVEFOLDER utility which
I'm not sure is in public domain?) then these would be preferred as much
easier to adapt.....(no doubt this what "MakeDesk" is based on?).

> TIA
> Harald Portig
> Remove the letters NOSPAM to reply.



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"


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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     12-Oct-99 14:13:21
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

 [ Followups set to comp.os.os2.setup.misc to reduce crossposting ]

In <7tved8$rpo$1@news.panix.com>, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) writes:
>James Moe  <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> writes:
>> 
>>     Just make sure there is a free IRQ for each adapter.
>
>I thought I did but I wonder now:
>
> IRQ Level =  0  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
> IRQ Level =  1  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard Controller
> IRQ Level =  2  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
> IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_1 Serial Controller
> IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_2 Serial Controller
> IRQ Level =  4  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0 Serial Controller
> IRQ Level =  5  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUDIO_0 ESS AudioDrive
> IRQ Level =  6  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy Controller
> IRQ Level =  8  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
> IRQ Level = 11  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
> IRQ Level = 12  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary Device Controller
> IRQ Level = 14  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller
>
>Except I don't see either of them! What is this "Adaptec AIC7870"? My two
>cards are an AHA 2940AU, which works, and an AVA 1502E which does not
>(that's the one I'm trying to load a driver for).

Pierre,

The AIC7870 is one of Adaptec's SCSI chipsets, one found in various
Adaptec cards (and used by my A.I.R.  motherboard as well).

If IRQ15 isn't locked into your motherboard's IDE support, it's 
available, as are (possibly) IRQ9 and IRQ10. You may need to play with 
your system's CMOS Setup to make sure the IRQ you choose is available to
the ISA bus).

I use the word "possibly" above because nothing is certain (;-).  RMVIEW
only reports back what Resource Manager-aware drivers report to it - a
driver that doesn't tell the OS/2 Resource Manager that the driver plans
to use (say) IRQ15 can still use the IRQ, but RMVIEW won't report it
("Hey!  Nobody told ME!").  Since RM was introduced in Warp (3.0), any
pre-3.0 driver fits this description; unfortunately, I understand it's
also true for some post-3.0 drivers (sigh).

Now, for a query from ignorance:  does a 1503 _use_ an IRQ?  I ask
because I know there were some early "cheap SCSI" adapters that used
polling instead (Bernoulli comes to mind).  OTOH, you have the adapter
in hand; if the manual talks about how to set the IRQ for the card, you
can ignore my query (;-).

Hope this helps a bit in all the confusion...


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             12-Oct-99 10:00:21
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On 11 Oct 1999 22:43:18 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

>How do I install two SCSI adapters in the same machine?
>
>I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
>connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
>without the scanner having been on during boot.
Just download the appropriate driver (aic152x.add for the 1502e, I think)
from the online
DDPak website and usine the DDINSTAL to install it. You should end up with
aha152x.add in
your \os2\boot directory and BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD in config.sys. If, by the
way, you
add a second 2940, you have to add a second BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD to
config.sys.


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From: coville@localnet.com                              12-Oct-99 15:20:09
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: DTC SCSI and OS/2

From: coville@localnet.com (Brian)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:06:50, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> 
wrote:

> I'll second that.  I went from a DPT card to a Tekram and am very happy.
> 

Have you any experiance with the DTC3130B SCSI controller?  I still
need to check IBM for drivers but wondered your opinion.  Just looking
to replace the cheap ISA SCSI controller that came w/ my Microtek 
scanner.
I can afford this one!  :  )
  
        Brian
  
  PCI FAST SCSI-2 50-pin INTERNAL CONTROLLER CARD - $10
  ITEM #...DTC3130B
http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=4&sku=DTC3130B
  

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From: tstreet@excel.net                                 12-Oct-99 16:58:01
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: tom <tstreet@excel.net>


Wayne Bickell wrote:

> You have to revert your system back to VGA by typing
> SETVGA at a command prompt or hitting Alt-F1 at the
> OS/2 blob and selecting F3 (I think) I tried SDD beta 7
> and wanted to reinstall my Matrox drivers (G-400) The
> Matrox readme says you can reinstall from the MGA
> directory but that didn't work for me. I had to reinstall
> from the unzipped archive. I've never found a way of
> removing the installed GRADD components though
> from GRADD 0.79.
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne

I just installed a G400 card and tried the GRADD 8 again andmy system won't
boot at
all. The new problem with the card is
the greyed out areas of windoze-OS2 I get colored lines
instead of the icon.

Tom

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From: ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com                          12-Oct-99 15:19:19
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: MediaOne Cable Modem & Injoy

From: Ben Hamilton <ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com>

benji00@ibm.net wrote:

> I just signed up for the new MediaOne RoadRunner
> cable modem service coming through my area and I was
> wondering how to use Injoy with the network I got at
> home. unfortunately I have to put Windooze 95 on one
> of these machines in order for the tech to come out
> and install the Cable modem and setup the service.
> What I would like to do though is delete the crap
> after he leaves and setup the machine with OS/2
> again. I presently have the SOHO of Injoy vr. 2.2 and
> would appreciate any suggestions.

You can't use the Injoy Dialer.  You will need to use the Injoy Firewall,
available (obviously!) from the same folks.

When you get it, if you still have trouble, let me know.  :-)

-- Ben Hamilton
-- ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com
--
-- Spam filter in use!
-- Remove "2001" from email address if replying via email.

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 12-Oct-99 10:33:23
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: INI files and display setting snafu

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

In article <3802E250.3D3F@capgemini.nl>,
Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl> wrote:
>Raphael,
>
>NEVER TROW AWAY YOUR INI FILES unless you are willing to reinstall.

Fortunately I seem to have about 20 megs of ini file backups
(at least).

>The INI's contain much more then just WPS information. CHECKINI,
>WPSBKP/WPSREST only touch the WPS stuff inside the INI's.

Ok, this is good to know.

I seem to have made progress.  I'm a bit embarrassed to
admit my problem probably started because I failed to
uninstall updini before I started making wholesale changes,
i.e., to my display.  So, I uninstalled it, and lo and
behold, the next time I booted, I got the SINGLEQ trap on
bootup.  I've never been so happy to see a trap screen in my
life, since this seemed to indicate meant that I could
reinstall the Matrox drivers and really start anew.

What I suppose happened was in all my attempts to change or
reinstall the display drivers, updini couldn't keep up with
the changes somehow, so reboots wouldn't stick.  This might
also explain (approximately anyway, I'm a bit feverish at
the moment) why the MGA Settings wouldn't stick either, and
wouldn't let me boot anything but VGA.

The great thing, Henk, of course, is that your WPTOOLS saved
my *ss once again.  After not getting a whole lot of sleep
last night, at around 11AM this morning with deadlines
looming I was facing a sort-of stable installation, but a
desktop with half-filled folders and broken-linked program
objects.  I admit when I kicked up checkini I wasn't
terrible hopeful, but somehow it managed to recreate
virtually all of the broken links.  For the hundredth time,
& still not enough, thanks, Henk.

So, I think I'm out of the woods.  I've since eliminated
that convenient Xfolder shutdown-and-reboot option: I have
gotten one Trap 000d after shutdown using it, but three or
four others have worked quite well all the way through to
shutdown.  To soon to pronounce the patient healthy but
after giving my desktop a pretty thorough workout this
afternoon (five Netscape sessions, tons of cutting and
pasting, FTPing, emailing, Yarning) at least there's the
possibility I've found that Holy Grail of OS/2-dom: a stable
installation with the latest fixpack.  



>
>Have your tried de-installing X-Folder?
>
>Henk
>
>Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>> 
>> It happened that my replacement IBM hard drive and the new
>> Philips monitor showed up the same day, so I decided to do
>> everything at once (including FP12, but that's a different
>> perhaps happier story).  Once I had the HD basically
>> running, I attached the monitor, and changed the resolution.
>> 
>> Unfortunately while everything seems to be running fine,
>> something's wrong with my INI files, I think because of the
>> new resolution.
>> 
>> I can run checkini and reset the WPS, and things'll be
>> peachuy.  However, when I shut down using those ini files, I
>> get a TRAP000d -- kind of a strange one, because everything
>> seems to shut down perfectly -- the TRAP issues only after
>> the "It is now safte to reboot..." appears (or, when I use
>> the Xfolder shutdown-and-reboot, immediately after it shows
>> "setboot Warp4" or whatever the message is).  It's as though
>> the system traps trying to reset to standard mode off of VGA
>> -- which I could live with except I have to wait 20 minutes
>> for chkdsk to run through all my HPFS partitions.
>> 
>> I've tried any manner of trying to fix it: reset to VGA and
>> reinstall the Matrox drivers -- including the latest
>> (2.31.100) and an earlier (2.22.078).  What happens is, if I
>> reset to VGA to install the drivers, I'm unable to reset the
>> display to anything *but* VGA: though I can select a higher
>> resolution, when I shut down (even in the rare case that I
>> don't get a trap immediately after) and reboot, it still
>> comes up in VGA mode.  If I don't reset to VGA when I
>> install the drivers, I get the trap d after boot (9 times
>> out of 10).  I also attempted to run the Matrox UNINSTAL
>> program on my boot partition, then reinstalling the driver
>> -- 2.31 in that case -- still no dice.
>> 
>> So, at this point I'm running off of a Fixpack12'd old
>> installation, with "uncleaned" INI files.  And things seem
>> to be working very well.  Unfortunately sooner or later I'm
>> going to want to have clean INI files.  I suspect that
>> eventually I'm going to have to recreate my desktop,
>> probably using Henk's WPSREST.  (So, if y'all haven't got
>> the solution to the above question, perhaps someone could
>> offer advice about the best way to destroy and recreate my
>> ini files with WPSREST... just delete OS2.INI and
>> OS2SYS.INI, reboot. and run WPSREST?)
>> 
>> --
>> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
>> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com
>
>-- 
>Remove nospam when replying..

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: ccsten@usa.net                                    12-Oct-99 19:43:09
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: Linksys NIC?

From: Terry Norton <ccsten@usa.net>

I bought this kit a couple of years ago, then another matching NIC
for my LAN which is only Warp Server and two Warp 4 machines. 
Installation was painless and the whole setup works great.


Gail Koontz wrote:
> 
> I'm considering buying a Linksys Fast Ethernet Starter Kit which includes
two
> EtherFast 10/100 LAN Cards. I've been assured by Linksys technical support
> that there is a downloadable driver for the card, and IBM's device driver
> site supports that. However, the tech rep also said that there was little
> installation help for OS/2 and that you're pretty much on your own if you
> have problems.
> 
> Has anyone had experience with this card? Any other suggestions?
> 
-- 


Terry Norton
Warped with OS/2
I don't need the Windows pain!

Stress is when you wake up screaming & you realize you haven't
fallen asleep yet.

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From: raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com                      12-Oct-99 22:45:14
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: I Quit

From: Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com>

OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem, I
quit.

I have had no problem with DOS and WIN 3.1 on co-existing on this WARP
machine, but WARP was unable to recognize the Vibra 16 SB card so that I
could have sound and use my voice response. (The box made it sound neat)

I have re-formatted and put back on a stable version of Windows 95.
Seems to be plenty of help out there for that, although I didn't need
it, all hardware was recognized.

Sometime in the future I may dabble in OS/2 again, but for right now, it
was $200 dollars wasted.

Dissappointed Ray in Seattle

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               12-Oct-99 19:47:27
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: Install Win-0S2 in native Dos

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On 12 Oct 1999 04:27:54 GMT, John Hong wrote:

>/2 User (nospam_evr@spam.net) wrote:
>: Is their any way to do this from the OS/2 CD?
>
>	It will never work since Win-OS/2 is dependent on OS/2's DPMI.  
>No other like CWDPMI will work either, trust me, I've tried many times to 
>syke out Linux's DOSEMU with that and it never would run.
>
>

Thanks for the reply, I had already tried and failed as well.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: jbrush@aros.net                                   12-Oct-99 17:42:24
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: jbrush@aros.net

>OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
>help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem, I
>quit.

>I have had no problem with DOS and WIN 3.1 on co-existing on this WARP
>machine, but WARP was unable to recognize the Vibra 16 SB card so that I
>could have sound and use my voice response. (The box made it sound neat)

Sorry to hear that. I haven't seen any posts about the Vibra SB 16 card. I
have one in my machine, and have installed it in several others and
although it doesn't change what you have seen, there have been no problems
at all.

I use the voice stuff quite a bit. Its great for navigating the desktop
and the web, as well as email stuff.

I wish I could have seen your requests for help, but I guess I missed
them.

Regards from Utah,

John

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From: r.dunham@onsemi.com                               12-Oct-99 11:19:21
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: TP385XD & SDD

From: "Richard M. Dunham" <r.dunham@onsemi.com>

I downloaded the latest beta 7 version from SDD on Monday and
attempted an install lat night but received an error message during
boot-up as follows:

Unable to get Device Driver functions!  Fatal error in driver; Hit
C-A-D to reboot machine!

My TP uses the NeoMagic driver 128XD which is on their approved vendor
list but I'm not sure if Beta 7 or prior version was written to be
used with an LCD, etc.

Does anyone have any information?

Regards:  Dick

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     12-Oct-99 20:38:08
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: TP385XD & SDD

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:19:42 -0700, Richard M. Dunham wrote:

->I downloaded the latest beta 7 version from SDD on Monday and
->attempted an install lat night but received an error message during
->boot-up as follows:
->
->Unable to get Device Driver functions!  Fatal error in driver; Hit
->C-A-D to reboot machine!
->
->My TP uses the NeoMagic driver 128XD which is on their approved vendor
->list but I'm not sure if Beta 7 or prior version was written to be
->used with an LCD, etc.

There's no Neomagic support in SDD beta 7. Reboot and use Alt+F1 to reset
to VGA then REM out the sddhelp.sys line in CONFIG.SYS afterwards.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     12-Oct-99 20:36:15
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 12 Oct 1999 13:51:37 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

-> IRQ Level = 11  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
-> IRQ Level = 12  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary Device Controller
-> IRQ Level = 14  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller
->
->Except I don't see either of them! What is this "Adaptec AIC7870"? My two
->cards are an AHA 2940AU, which works, and an AVA 1502E which does not
->(that's the one I'm trying to load a driver for).

The chipset in a 2940xx (except xx= U2W) is an AIC7870 and the generic
driver for all boards built on this chipset is AIC7870.ADD. 

AFAIK the 1502 is hardcoded to use IRQ 11 so you probably need to tell
your BIOS to reserve that one as legacy/ISA and force the 2940 to a
different setting that way. The driver for a 1502 should be AHA152X.ADD
not the AHA154X.ADD that someone else quoted.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             12-Oct-99 15:55:29
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:17
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:00:43 -0500 (CDT), Scott E. Garfinkle wrote:

>If, by the way, you add a second 2940, you have to add a second 
> BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD to config.sys.
I've been told that this is not a true statement. Sorry.


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From: mwalsh1@elp.rr.com                                12-Oct-99 19:50:15
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com>

One trouble I had was that there may be problems if both the cards want to
have
BIOS active at the same time.  One is supposed to be on and one off.   I got
both to work under OS/2 on, but Win 98 won't work with the first one.  Neither
one Adaptec by the way.

On 11 Oct 1999 22:43:18 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

>
>How do I install two SCSI adapters in the same machine?
>
>I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
>connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
>without the scanner having been on during boot.
>
>The card is supposed to be supported from the installation CD but
>Selective Install  says the directory is not valid. Where is the driver
>supposed to be?
>
>Pierre
>-- 
>Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
>                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
>The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
>   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com


Matt Walsh  El Paso, TX
Computin' & Shootin' in the dust.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Oct-99 00:20:13
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: Install Win-0S2 in native Dos

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:28:40, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:

> Is their any way to do this from the OS/2 CD?
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 

Seems to me that there was some procedure to do that. It was a couple 
of years ago, and I have no idea where to start looking. Perhaps 
DEJANEWS will still have something...

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Oct-99 00:20:11
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: Can't access CD-ROM from "DOS From A" session

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:46:08, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:

..snip the original...
> 
> This is my config.sys:
> ======================================
> DEVICE=FSFILTER.SYS
> REM DEVICE=A:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\HIMEM.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\EMM386.SYS
> DOS=HIGH,UMB
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\ANSI.SYS
> FILES=40
> BUFFERS=25
> LASTDRIVE=O
> REM device=A:\CdExpert\actcd.sys /d:mscd001
> =====================================
> 
> and this is my autoexec.bat:
> =====================================
> ECHO OFF
> PROMPT $P$G
> SET COMSPEC=A:\COMMAND.COM
> REM A:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /d:mscd001
> E:\OS2\MDOS\MOUSE.COM
> PATH A:\DOS
> REM drivers for LS120 parallel port
> A:\SDDOS\SD120PPD.EXE /NI
> A:\SDDOS\ASPIHDRM.EXE
> A:\DOS\DOSKEY.COM
> ====================================
> 
> I think I'll change the last line to:
> A:\DOS\DOSKEY EXIT=E:\OS2\MDOS\EXIT_VDM
> Thanks for that idea to help exiting the session.

Neat trick, but if you run a program that gets you into a second level
command, and type EXIT to get back to the first level, it will just 
close the whole works. Use caution <g>...
 
> However, it is the two CD-ROM statements (1 each in config.sys and
> autoexec.bat) which are REM'ed out here that are the subject of this
> discussion. With those two statements not REM'ed out, I get the error I
> described and no access to the CD-ROM. With those two statements REM'ed out, 
I
> of course don't get any error but I do not get access to the CD-ROM either.
> "Normal" DOS sessions do see the CD-ROM.

I can understand the errors, if the commands are not REMed out (I 
don't understand why it works with your old system). I have no idea 
why I get access to the CD-ROM drives (two completely different 
setups), and you don't. FSFILTER.SYS, seems to be what does that. Make
sure you have the latest version (it gets updated in x:\OS2\MDOS by 
fix packs, but it must be in the image file, unless it is on a FAT 
drive, so that it can access it to get access to the rest of the OS/2 
file system stuff, and that does NOT get updated, until you copy it 
there).
 
> Again I did not have this problem with my old computer. I did have CD-ROM
> statments in my "DOS From A" config.sys and autoexec.bat. They were
different
> because the drivers were different but they worked. I don't know whether
they
> were necessary because I never tried it without them.

Don't know what else to suggest...
 
> My "DOS From A" is also an image file of PC DOS 7 created by VMDISK. I do
have
> two unrealted questions concerning "DOS From A" sessions:
> 1. Can you set up a program object that will cause a DOS application to be
> brought up in a DOS session using that image file? I did the obvious
(created
> a program object, set the program path and file name and set the
> DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE to point to the image file) but it didn't work. It just
> brought PC DOS 7 up to a command prompt. It did not start up the
application.

There doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that. One thing you could 
do, is set up your AUTOEXEC.BAT (the one inside the image file) to 
CALL another BAT file, if it exists ( something like:
IF EXIST C:\MYPROG.BAT CALL C:\MYPROG.BAT
) then set up  some way to create (and destroy) MYPROG.BAT, possibly 
with a REXX  command file to create the startup command, and then use 
WPOPEN ( I don't remember where this came from, but it has been 
mentioned in the news groups -> check DEJANEWS), using the Object 
Handle, for the image file startup icon (There are some tools that 
will give you this -> try HOBBES) to start the DOS 7.0 session. (Like,
I said, it is not easy <g>). I haven't tried doing this, and there may
be other things that need to be done, or it may not work at all.
 
> 2. Can you set up a "DOS from A" type session that starts from an image file
> and can actually access your floppy drive?

Go to an OS/2 command line, and do HELP FSACCESS. It won't let you use
the drive as A:, but it will let you use it as a different drive 
letter (not perfect, but MOST of the time it is useful).
 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     13-Oct-99 00:20:12
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: Can't get audio in WinOS/2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:02:13, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:

> 
> I can't find anything that says one way or the other regarding support for
> WinOS2 sessions in what came in the zip file. Is there some other
> documentation you are talking about?
>  
> Thanks
> Jim
>  

I am sure that I saw something about that in the news groups. I don't 
remeber where. 
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    13-Oct-99 00:52:16
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: os warp version 3?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

John Thompson (nospam@savebandwidth.invalid) wrote:
: In <38016F3F.7EDF95F0@home.com>, Nick Xydas <cheesypoofx@home.com> writes:

: >I got os/2 warp several years ago when windows 95 just came out and i
: >had a 386 computer. It's like 20 disks or more with all the bonus pack
: >stuff, I have a pentium 2 now, with win 98 on it, and linux and I've
: >wanted to put an older version of windows on and I was wondering if it
: >would be possible to put os on my system and keep win 98, and if there
: >would be any reason for me wanting to do this. Is version 3 to old ??

: For what it's worth, I'm using Warp v3 here on two computers. 
: Install it, and then install FP40 and you'll have pretty much 
: everything significant about Warp v4 from what I've heard.

	However, if DOS applications are important than I would stop with 
FP39.  FP40 and up have so far broken some things whereas DOS is 
concerned (ie. DOS_VIDEO_MODE).

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From: jbrush@aros.net                                   12-Oct-99 19:09:18
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: Can't get audio in WinOS/2

From: jbrush@aros.net

>On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:02:13, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:

>> 
>> I can't find anything that says one way or the other regarding support for
>> WinOS2 sessions in what came in the zip file. Is there some other
>> documentation you are talking about?


I missed the original post, but I would volunteer that there is a readme
file on the CD that tells how to get most sound cards to work in WinOS2. I
know I needed that for my sound blaster, and there are other cards listed
as well.

HTH,

John

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                12-Oct-99 22:10:07
  To: doug.bissett@attglobal.net                        13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: Can't access CD-ROM from "DOS From A" session

To: doug.bissett@attglobal.net
From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:46:08, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:
>
> ..snip the original...
> >
> > This is my config.sys:
> > ======================================
> > DEVICE=FSFILTER.SYS
> > REM DEVICE=A:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
> > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\HIMEM.SYS
> > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\EMM386.SYS
> > DOS=HIGH,UMB
> > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\ANSI.SYS
> > FILES=40
> > BUFFERS=25
> > LASTDRIVE=O
> > REM device=A:\CdExpert\actcd.sys /d:mscd001
> > =====================================
> >
> > and this is my autoexec.bat:
> > =====================================
> > ECHO OFF
> > PROMPT $P$G
> > SET COMSPEC=A:\COMMAND.COM
> > REM A:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /d:mscd001
> > E:\OS2\MDOS\MOUSE.COM
> > PATH A:\DOS
> > REM drivers for LS120 parallel port
> > A:\SDDOS\SD120PPD.EXE /NI
> > A:\SDDOS\ASPIHDRM.EXE
> > A:\DOS\DOSKEY.COM
> > ====================================
> >
> > I think I'll change the last line to:
> > A:\DOS\DOSKEY EXIT=E:\OS2\MDOS\EXIT_VDM
> > Thanks for that idea to help exiting the session.
>
> Neat trick, but if you run a program that gets you into a second level
> command, and type EXIT to get back to the first level, it will just
> close the whole works. Use caution <g>...
>
> > However, it is the two CD-ROM statements (1 each in config.sys and
> > autoexec.bat) which are REM'ed out here that are the subject of this
> > discussion. With those two statements not REM'ed out, I get the error I
> > described and no access to the CD-ROM. With those two statements REM'ed
out, I
> > of course don't get any error but I do not get access to the CD-ROM
either.
> > "Normal" DOS sessions do see the CD-ROM.
>
> I can understand the errors, if the commands are not REMed out (I
> don't understand why it works with your old system). I have no idea
> why I get access to the CD-ROM drives (two completely different
> setups), and you don't. FSFILTER.SYS, seems to be what does that. Make
> sure you have the latest version (it gets updated in x:\OS2\MDOS by
> fix packs, but it must be in the image file, unless it is on a FAT
> drive, so that it can access it to get access to the rest of the OS/2
> file system stuff, and that does NOT get updated, until you copy it
> there).
>
> > Again I did not have this problem with my old computer. I did have CD-ROM
> > statments in my "DOS From A" config.sys and autoexec.bat. They were
different
> > because the drivers were different but they worked. I don't know whether
they
> > were necessary because I never tried it without them.
>
> Don't know what else to suggest...
>
> > My "DOS From A" is also an image file of PC DOS 7 created by VMDISK. I do
have
> > two unrealted questions concerning "DOS From A" sessions:
> > 1. Can you set up a program object that will cause a DOS application to be
> > brought up in a DOS session using that image file? I did the obvious
(created
> > a program object, set the program path and file name and set the
> > DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE to point to the image file) but it didn't work. It just
> > brought PC DOS 7 up to a command prompt. It did not start up the
application.
>
> There doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that. One thing you could
> do, is set up your AUTOEXEC.BAT (the one inside the image file) to
> CALL another BAT file, if it exists ( something like:
> IF EXIST C:\MYPROG.BAT CALL C:\MYPROG.BAT
> ) then set up  some way to create (and destroy) MYPROG.BAT, possibly
> with a REXX  command file to create the startup command, and then use
> WPOPEN ( I don't remember where this came from, but it has been
> mentioned in the news groups -> check DEJANEWS), using the Object
> Handle, for the image file startup icon (There are some tools that
> will give you this -> try HOBBES) to start the DOS 7.0 session. (Like,
> I said, it is not easy <g>). I haven't tried doing this, and there may
> be other things that need to be done, or it may not work at all.
>
> > 2. Can you set up a "DOS from A" type session that starts from an image
file
> > and can actually access your floppy drive?
>
> Go to an OS/2 command line, and do HELP FSACCESS. It won't let you use
> the drive as A:, but it will let you use it as a different drive
> letter (not perfect, but MOST of the time it is useful).
>
> > Thanks
> > Jim
> >
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
>
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

Actually, both of my additional questions had deceptively simple answers:
1. To start up specific application: copy your image file, specify that image
file
as the DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE in your program object, then modify that image file's
autoexec.bat to start the application as the last thing in it.
2. Don't do anything. You can access your real floppy using B:! (I wonder what 
would
happen if you had two floppies?)

I have gotten a step closer to accessing the CD-ROM. I've got lots of
partitions at
the moment. If I type 'fsaccess' at the command line of my DOS from A session
I get
Local B: is mapped to OS/2 B:
...
Local M: is mapped to OS/2 M:

C:-M: are real partitions on my hard drives. B: is the real floppy which
everywhere
else is A:. The LS120 gets assigned N: but doesn't show up in the fsaccess
response.
If I type 'fsaccess n' at the command line, N: becomes the CD-ROM and I lose
access
to the LS120. Type 'fsaccess !n', and I get access to the LS120 back but lose
access
to the CD-ROM. Type 'fsaccess o', and I don't get anything. I tried putting
'fsaccess n' in the autoexec.bat just in front of the LS120 driver stuff. It
had the
same affect as typing 'fsaccess n' at the command line. So, at this point I
can
access either the CD-ROM or the LS120 but not both at the same time.

I'm going to go back and look at the docs for the LS120 drivers. You can
specify
them either in autoexec.bat or config.sys. I chose the autoexec.bat method
because
it forced the LS120 drive letter to be after the CD-ROM and for reasons which
now
escape me I wanted it that way. Using the config.sys method made the LS120
letter
just before the CD-ROM. Perhaps, if I use the config.sys method I'll get
access to
both.

Thanks for your interest.
Jim


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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  12-Oct-99 19:32:10
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: TP385XD & SDD

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

Appreciate the tip before trying it on my 385ED.  I tried it with an
ELSA Winner/2000 Office (Permedia II).  It worked, as long as I didn't
ever try to open a DOS or Win/OS2 session.  C-A-D time.

Trevor Hemsley wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:19:42 -0700, Richard M. Dunham wrote:
> 
> ->I downloaded the latest beta 7 version from SDD on Monday and
> ->attempted an install lat night but received an error message during
> ->boot-up as follows:
> ->
> ->Unable to get Device Driver functions!  Fatal error in driver; Hit
> ->C-A-D to reboot machine!
> ->
> ->My TP uses the NeoMagic driver 128XD which is on their approved vendor
> ->list but I'm not sure if Beta 7 or prior version was written to be
> ->used with an LCD, etc.
> 
> There's no Neomagic support in SDD beta 7. Reboot and use Alt+F1 to reset
> to VGA then REM out the sddhelp.sys line in CONFIG.SYS afterwards.
> 
> Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
> (Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: will.honea@wcom.com                               13-Oct-99 04:05:11
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: Will Honea <will.honea@wcom.com>


Robin Klitscher wrote:
> 
> In article
<ovyyxbcbfgbssvprjbeyqargnggarg.fjhb343.pminews@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Come to think of it, I hadn't opened the miditower case to pinpoint the
> source of the noise as the HDD, but had just assumed it. Difficult to
> imagine what else it could be, though.  It did seem to be associated
> with HDD activity.  I wouldn't have called it a "roar" exactly; more
> like a transient chattering of the head mechanism, not particularly
> loud but enough to be noticed.
> 
> It occurred in the boot sequence just before the desktop kicked in,
> though it lasted a lot less time than the 5 to 6 seconds reported by
> others.  More like 1 - 2 seconds, if that.  Invariably it was
> accompanied (immediately preceded) by a quick burst of static running
> across the screen, almost as if the monitor had been turned off and
> then quickly back on. That doesn't happen with the backlevelled
> drivers, either

That sounds more like relays in the monitor switching modes.

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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               13-Oct-99 02:29:28
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: I Quit

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:45:29, Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com> a ‚crit:

> OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
> help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem, I
> quit.

	It is the first time I see your post about that.  I have the kind of 
card you described and it works correctly.

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                12-Oct-99 23:18:27
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: Can't access CD-ROM from "DOS From A" session

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Jim Parker wrote:

> Doug Bissett wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:46:08, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:
> >
> > ..snip the original...
> > >
> > > This is my config.sys:
> > > ======================================
> > > DEVICE=FSFILTER.SYS
> > > REM DEVICE=A:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
> > > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\HIMEM.SYS
> > > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\EMM386.SYS
> > > DOS=HIGH,UMB
> > > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\ANSI.SYS
> > > FILES=40
> > > BUFFERS=25
> > > LASTDRIVE=O
> > > REM device=A:\CdExpert\actcd.sys /d:mscd001
> > > =====================================
> > >
> > > and this is my autoexec.bat:
> > > =====================================
> > > ECHO OFF
> > > PROMPT $P$G
> > > SET COMSPEC=A:\COMMAND.COM
> > > REM A:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /d:mscd001
> > > E:\OS2\MDOS\MOUSE.COM
> > > PATH A:\DOS
> > > REM drivers for LS120 parallel port
> > > A:\SDDOS\SD120PPD.EXE /NI
> > > A:\SDDOS\ASPIHDRM.EXE
> > > A:\DOS\DOSKEY.COM
> > > ====================================
> > >
> > > I think I'll change the last line to:
> > > A:\DOS\DOSKEY EXIT=E:\OS2\MDOS\EXIT_VDM
> > > Thanks for that idea to help exiting the session.
> >
> > Neat trick, but if you run a program that gets you into a second level
> > command, and type EXIT to get back to the first level, it will just
> > close the whole works. Use caution <g>...
> >
> > > However, it is the two CD-ROM statements (1 each in config.sys and
> > > autoexec.bat) which are REM'ed out here that are the subject of this
> > > discussion. With those two statements not REM'ed out, I get the error I
> > > described and no access to the CD-ROM. With those two statements REM'ed
out, I
> > > of course don't get any error but I do not get access to the CD-ROM
either.
> > > "Normal" DOS sessions do see the CD-ROM.
> >
> > I can understand the errors, if the commands are not REMed out (I
> > don't understand why it works with your old system). I have no idea
> > why I get access to the CD-ROM drives (two completely different
> > setups), and you don't. FSFILTER.SYS, seems to be what does that. Make
> > sure you have the latest version (it gets updated in x:\OS2\MDOS by
> > fix packs, but it must be in the image file, unless it is on a FAT
> > drive, so that it can access it to get access to the rest of the OS/2
> > file system stuff, and that does NOT get updated, until you copy it
> > there).
> >
> > > Again I did not have this problem with my old computer. I did have
CD-ROM
> > > statments in my "DOS From A" config.sys and autoexec.bat. They were
different
> > > because the drivers were different but they worked. I don't know whether 
they
> > > were necessary because I never tried it without them.
> >
> > Don't know what else to suggest...
> >
> > > My "DOS From A" is also an image file of PC DOS 7 created by VMDISK. I
do have
> > > two unrealted questions concerning "DOS From A" sessions:
> > > 1. Can you set up a program object that will cause a DOS application to
be
> > > brought up in a DOS session using that image file? I did the obvious
(created
> > > a program object, set the program path and file name and set the
> > > DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE to point to the image file) but it didn't work. It
just
> > > brought PC DOS 7 up to a command prompt. It did not start up the
application.
> >
> > There doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that. One thing you could
> > do, is set up your AUTOEXEC.BAT (the one inside the image file) to
> > CALL another BAT file, if it exists ( something like:
> > IF EXIST C:\MYPROG.BAT CALL C:\MYPROG.BAT
> > ) then set up  some way to create (and destroy) MYPROG.BAT, possibly
> > with a REXX  command file to create the startup command, and then use
> > WPOPEN ( I don't remember where this came from, but it has been
> > mentioned in the news groups -> check DEJANEWS), using the Object
> > Handle, for the image file startup icon (There are some tools that
> > will give you this -> try HOBBES) to start the DOS 7.0 session. (Like,
> > I said, it is not easy <g>). I haven't tried doing this, and there may
> > be other things that need to be done, or it may not work at all.
> >
> > > 2. Can you set up a "DOS from A" type session that starts from an image
file
> > > and can actually access your floppy drive?
> >
> > Go to an OS/2 command line, and do HELP FSACCESS. It won't let you use
> > the drive as A:, but it will let you use it as a different drive
> > letter (not perfect, but MOST of the time it is useful).
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> > Hope this helps...
> > ******************************
> > From the PC of Doug Bissett
> >
> > The " at " must be changed to "@"
> > ******************************
>
> Actually, both of my additional questions had deceptively simple answers:
> 1. To start up specific application: copy your image file, specify that
image file
> as the DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE in your program object, then modify that image
file's
> autoexec.bat to start the application as the last thing in it.
> 2. Don't do anything. You can access your real floppy using B:! (I wonder
what would
> happen if you had two floppies?)
>
> I have gotten a step closer to accessing the CD-ROM. I've got lots of
partitions at
> the moment. If I type 'fsaccess' at the command line of my DOS from A
session I get
> Local B: is mapped to OS/2 B:
> ...
> Local M: is mapped to OS/2 M:
>
> C:-M: are real partitions on my hard drives. B: is the real floppy which
everywhere
> else is A:. The LS120 gets assigned N: but doesn't show up in the fsaccess
response.
> If I type 'fsaccess n' at the command line, N: becomes the CD-ROM and I lose 
access
> to the LS120. Type 'fsaccess !n', and I get access to the LS120 back but
lose access
> to the CD-ROM. Type 'fsaccess o', and I don't get anything. I tried putting
> 'fsaccess n' in the autoexec.bat just in front of the LS120 driver stuff. It 
had the
> same affect as typing 'fsaccess n' at the command line. So, at this point I
can
> access either the CD-ROM or the LS120 but not both at the same time.
>
> I'm going to go back and look at the docs for the LS120 drivers. You can
specify
> them either in autoexec.bat or config.sys. I chose the autoexec.bat method
because
> it forced the LS120 drive letter to be after the CD-ROM and for reasons
which now
> escape me I wanted it that way. Using the config.sys method made the LS120
letter
> just before the CD-ROM. Perhaps, if I use the config.sys method I'll get
access to
> both.
>
> Thanks for your interest.
> Jim

Using the config.sys method didn't change anything.

However, without any LS120 stuff, the CD-ROM is visible and assigned N:.
Adding the two
LS120 statements into the autoexec.bat one at a time (or running them from the 
command
line) shows that the  'A:\SDDOS\ASPIHDRM.EXE' grabs the N assignement even
though it is
already in use. Somehow, in the DOS from A environment, this program is not
aware of the
fact that N is already in use while in a "real" DOS environment it is aware.
Seems like
somehow, OS/2 is hiding something from DOS.

Jim


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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   13-Oct-99 00:16:00
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


"Scott E. Garfinkle" wrote:
> 
[....]
> your \os2\boot directory and BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD in config.sys. If, by the
> way, you
> add a second 2940, you have to add a second BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD to
> config.sys.

No. The driver supports multiple adapters of the same flavor concurrently.

Bye/2
Meinolf


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           13-Oct-99 00:25:09
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <o0XddOdRVCYE-pn2-oOGoEyMgkbdV@MGOYETTE>, on 10/13/99 at 02:29 AM,
   Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette) said:

> Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:45:29, Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com> a ‚crit:

> > OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
> > help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem, I
> > quit.

> 	It is the first time I see your post about that.  I have the kind of 
> card you described and it works correctly.

I never saw the posts either and have installed Warp 3 and 4 on at least a
hundred machines with Vibra16's. In fact, that is what makes the pretty
sounds on this machine.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 12-Oct-99 23:24:08
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.setup.misc, Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
>help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem,
>I quit.

I wish I knew the answer, but all my systems except this one use AWE32
cards, and this one uses a Vibra16 resident on my Micronics W6-Li PPro
mommyboard + a wavetable card, and all it uses are the standard AWE32
drivers that were bundled with Warp 4.

I use this:

  DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\SBAWED2.SYS
  DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\AUDIOVDD.SYS SBAUD1$

in my CONFIG.SYS and had no problems.  No additional parameters on
either line.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
             Uh uh...  Not me...  <Pointing at halo>  See?

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       13-Oct-99 09:31:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 06:16:02
Subj: Re: INI files and display setting snafu

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Good to know my sleepless nights serve some purpose....

Henk

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> 
> The great thing, Henk, of course, is that your WPTOOLS saved
> my *ss once again.

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            13-Oct-99 11:13:13
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <3803BA09.B14E22E9@pss.boeing.com>, Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com>
writes:

>OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
>help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem, I
>quit.

First seen about your request...

>
>I have had no problem with DOS and WIN 3.1 on co-existing on this WARP
>machine, but WARP was unable to recognize the Vibra 16 SB card so that I
>could have sound and use my voice response. (The box made it sound neat)
>
>I have re-formatted and put back on a stable version of Windows 95.
>Seems to be plenty of help out there for that, although I didn't need
>it, all hardware was recognized.

Depending on your motherboard and a number of things, OS/2 can sometimes
miss the correct IRQ, port address and DMA channel settings for your
card.

It is also true, that WIN-9x seems better at recognizing some mixes of
these things and other cards and use of the slots in a motherboard, but
misses others, it seems that OS/2 finds!

The trick is to make sure that the complete mix of IRQ's, I/O port and
DMA settings, which do work in WIN-9x, are known to OS/2 and the same
there as well.  You can get a print run or listing of all these pieces
of information from the hardware analysis part of WIN-95.  Then, if you
can mimic that in OS/2, the Vibra-16 will work just as well for you in
OS/2 as it will in WIN-9x, so said...

Settings for the Vibra-16, if my memory is correct, at least in some
models, have to be set in by editing them to the correct values during
the installation run or .. a re-install run .. of the OS/2 system.  You
get at that, in most cases, by simply typing in the word INSTALL at an
OS/2 command session window, unless, by accident, an INSTALL program of
a different kind is in tthe directory you are in when you do this.
There is a box for sound card settings which will, in some cases, let
you EDIT the settings for the sound card to supply you with the correct
mix of IRQ, port and DMA channel values needed.

But wait!  There may be more in the case of the Vibra-16!

I have run into the problem that, as far as I could tell, TWO versions
of the Vibra-16 cards!  One production run of them, as far as I can
recall, has a sort of Plug-and-Play setting in it which actually sets
this card's features (Which I/O ports are used as active and which
functions are active), which IRQ is used and which DMA channels are
used, during the boot run of the operating system.  Of course the later
cards were all 'auto-set' like this too, but the Vibra-16 was, as I
recall this, an early attempt at it.

The important thing about some versions of this card is that the card, I
think, 'remembers' how it is supposed to act, as a function of an EPROM
ability.  You can burn into it the desired operational characteristics,
and then leave it set to do certain things ... in a box which does not
have the ability to set it up that way during boot up!

There were a set of programming disks on floppys, at one time,
available from Creative that could be used by boxmakers and OEM guys and
build shops, to properly 'set' the Vibra-16 for what was needed for
these boxes which could not 'autoset' the card.

It is 'possible' that your card has been 'personalized' to come up as a
particular setting.  WIN-9x can re-set that on its own, maybe, but OS/2
cannot!  Instant failure for OS/2 as OS/2 thinks the card is doing one
thing and it really is doing another!

I have had Vibra-16's which I had to whop into thinking they were what
OS/2 wanted to see with the floppy setup disks and they then came up
working fine in OS/2.

Be aware that there were also *TWO* different runs of this thing, one as
the actual Vibra-16 and one that looks like it, but is actually not a
Vibra-16, but another version of the same sort of thing.  I acutally
have two different sets of floppy disks for setting purposes. one for
the Vibra-16 and one for the twin which the Vibra-16 disks wont set!
Both cards can be reset on the fly, if you use the proper DOS-based
utilities to run and reset these cards after your system came up.  It is
obvious here that they were written without OS/2 in mind, but on opening
a DOS-VDM or WIN session based on it in OS/2, you can actually go in and
load these utilities in the AUTOEXEC.BAT file for the session to hand
set the card to various volume levels and tone levels and so on, if you
install the utilities on your disk as well...

I have no idea where you can get your hands on the floppy set.  As well,
there was a CD-ROM disk with the programs on it too, but I have no idea
where you could get that, in that Creative is a long way past these
cards now..

It would nice if they posted the disk images for these disks on the
Creative website for us now that the disks are gone.  I've not checked
the site, but maybe you can...

Between all of this, you may be able to either reset your card, or teach
OS/2 how and where to find it...


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                13-Oct-99 08:01:16
  To: doug.bissett@attglobal.net                        13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: Can't access CD-ROM from "DOS From A" session (GOT IT!)

To: Doug Bissett <doug.bissett@attglobal.net>
From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:46:08, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:
>
> ..snip the original...
> >
> > This is my config.sys:
> > ======================================
> > DEVICE=FSFILTER.SYS
> > REM DEVICE=A:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
> > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\HIMEM.SYS
> > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\EMM386.SYS
> > DOS=HIGH,UMB
> > DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\ANSI.SYS
> > FILES=40
> > BUFFERS=25
> > LASTDRIVE=O
> > REM device=A:\CdExpert\actcd.sys /d:mscd001
> > =====================================
> >
> > and this is my autoexec.bat:
> > =====================================
> > ECHO OFF
> > PROMPT $P$G
> > SET COMSPEC=A:\COMMAND.COM
> > REM A:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /d:mscd001
> > E:\OS2\MDOS\MOUSE.COM
> > PATH A:\DOS
> > REM drivers for LS120 parallel port
> > A:\SDDOS\SD120PPD.EXE /NI
> > A:\SDDOS\ASPIHDRM.EXE
> > A:\DOS\DOSKEY.COM
> > ====================================
> >
> > I think I'll change the last line to:
> > A:\DOS\DOSKEY EXIT=E:\OS2\MDOS\EXIT_VDM
> > Thanks for that idea to help exiting the session.
>
> Neat trick, but if you run a program that gets you into a second level
> command, and type EXIT to get back to the first level, it will just
> close the whole works. Use caution <g>...
>
> > However, it is the two CD-ROM statements (1 each in config.sys and
> > autoexec.bat) which are REM'ed out here that are the subject of this
> > discussion. With those two statements not REM'ed out, I get the error I
> > described and no access to the CD-ROM. With those two statements REM'ed
out, I
> > of course don't get any error but I do not get access to the CD-ROM
either.
> > "Normal" DOS sessions do see the CD-ROM.
>
> I can understand the errors, if the commands are not REMed out (I
> don't understand why it works with your old system). I have no idea
> why I get access to the CD-ROM drives (two completely different
> setups), and you don't. FSFILTER.SYS, seems to be what does that. Make
> sure you have the latest version (it gets updated in x:\OS2\MDOS by
> fix packs, but it must be in the image file, unless it is on a FAT
> drive, so that it can access it to get access to the rest of the OS/2
> file system stuff, and that does NOT get updated, until you copy it
> there).
>
> > Again I did not have this problem with my old computer. I did have CD-ROM
> > statments in my "DOS From A" config.sys and autoexec.bat. They were
different
> > because the drivers were different but they worked. I don't know whether
they
> > were necessary because I never tried it without them.
>
> Don't know what else to suggest...
>
> > My "DOS From A" is also an image file of PC DOS 7 created by VMDISK. I do
have
> > two unrealted questions concerning "DOS From A" sessions:
> > 1. Can you set up a program object that will cause a DOS application to be
> > brought up in a DOS session using that image file? I did the obvious
(created
> > a program object, set the program path and file name and set the
> > DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE to point to the image file) but it didn't work. It just
> > brought PC DOS 7 up to a command prompt. It did not start up the
application.
>
> There doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that. One thing you could
> do, is set up your AUTOEXEC.BAT (the one inside the image file) to
> CALL another BAT file, if it exists ( something like:
> IF EXIST C:\MYPROG.BAT CALL C:\MYPROG.BAT
> ) then set up  some way to create (and destroy) MYPROG.BAT, possibly
> with a REXX  command file to create the startup command, and then use
> WPOPEN ( I don't remember where this came from, but it has been
> mentioned in the news groups -> check DEJANEWS), using the Object
> Handle, for the image file startup icon (There are some tools that
> will give you this -> try HOBBES) to start the DOS 7.0 session. (Like,
> I said, it is not easy <g>). I haven't tried doing this, and there may
> be other things that need to be done, or it may not work at all.
>
> > 2. Can you set up a "DOS from A" type session that starts from an image
file
> > and can actually access your floppy drive?
>
> Go to an OS/2 command line, and do HELP FSACCESS. It won't let you use
> the drive as A:, but it will let you use it as a different drive
> letter (not perfect, but MOST of the time it is useful).
>
> > Thanks
> > Jim
> >
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

I got it!

Used RESERVEDRIVELETTER=N in my OS/2 config.sys. This put CD-ROM on O: in both 
OS/2
and DOS from A. LS120 went to N: (obviously DOS from A doesn't know about
RESEVEDRIVELETTER) in DOS from A. This resolved the conflict, giving me access 
to
LS120 and CD-ROM at the same time.

Jim



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From: quoss@my-deja.com                                 13-Oct-99 13:14:10
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: OS/2 and ATI Rage Fury AGP

From: Clemens Quoss <quoss@my-deja.com>

Hello,

has anyone here experience with the above combination?

TIA

Clemens


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com                          13-Oct-99 09:56:03
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: Ben Hamilton <ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com>

mike.luther@ziplog.com wrote:
> 
> >OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
> >help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem, I
> >quit.
> 
> First seen about your request...
> 
> >
> >I have had no problem with DOS and WIN 3.1 on co-existing on this WARP
> >machine, but WARP was unable to recognize the Vibra 16 SB card so that I
> >could have sound and use my voice response. (The box made it sound neat)
> >
> >I have re-formatted and put back on a stable version of Windows 95.
> >Seems to be plenty of help out there for that, although I didn't need
> >it, all hardware was recognized.
> 
> Depending on your motherboard and a number of things, OS/2 can sometimes
> miss the correct IRQ, port address and DMA channel settings for your
> card.
> 
> It is also true, that WIN-9x seems better at recognizing some mixes of
> these things and other cards and use of the slots in a motherboard, but
> misses others, it seems that OS/2 finds!
> 
> The trick is to make sure that the complete mix of IRQ's, I/O port and
> DMA settings, which do work in WIN-9x, are known to OS/2 and the same
> there as well.  You can get a print run or listing of all these pieces
> of information from the hardware analysis part of WIN-95.  Then, if you
> can mimic that in OS/2, the Vibra-16 will work just as well for you in
> OS/2 as it will in WIN-9x, so said...
> 
> Settings for the Vibra-16, if my memory is correct, at least in some
> models, have to be set in by editing them to the correct values during
> the installation run or .. a re-install run .. of the OS/2 system.  You
> get at that, in most cases, by simply typing in the word INSTALL at an
> OS/2 command session window, unless, by accident, an INSTALL program of
> a different kind is in tthe directory you are in when you do this.
> There is a box for sound card settings which will, in some cases, let
> you EDIT the settings for the sound card to supply you with the correct
> mix of IRQ, port and DMA channel values needed.
> 
> But wait!  There may be more in the case of the Vibra-16!
> 
> I have run into the problem that, as far as I could tell, TWO versions
> of the Vibra-16 cards!  One production run of them, as far as I can
> recall, has a sort of Plug-and-Play setting in it which actually sets
> this card's features (Which I/O ports are used as active and which
> functions are active), which IRQ is used and which DMA channels are
> used, during the boot run of the operating system.  Of course the later
> cards were all 'auto-set' like this too, but the Vibra-16 was, as I
> recall this, an early attempt at it.
> 
> The important thing about some versions of this card is that the card, I
> think, 'remembers' how it is supposed to act, as a function of an EPROM
> ability.  You can burn into it the desired operational characteristics,
> and then leave it set to do certain things ... in a box which does not
> have the ability to set it up that way during boot up!
> 
> There were a set of programming disks on floppys, at one time,
> available from Creative that could be used by boxmakers and OEM guys and
> build shops, to properly 'set' the Vibra-16 for what was needed for
> these boxes which could not 'autoset' the card.
> 
> It is 'possible' that your card has been 'personalized' to come up as a
> particular setting.  WIN-9x can re-set that on its own, maybe, but OS/2
> cannot!  Instant failure for OS/2 as OS/2 thinks the card is doing one
> thing and it really is doing another!
> 
> I have had Vibra-16's which I had to whop into thinking they were what
> OS/2 wanted to see with the floppy setup disks and they then came up
> working fine in OS/2.
> 
> Be aware that there were also *TWO* different runs of this thing, one as
> the actual Vibra-16 and one that looks like it, but is actually not a
> Vibra-16, but another version of the same sort of thing.  I acutally
> have two different sets of floppy disks for setting purposes. one for
> the Vibra-16 and one for the twin which the Vibra-16 disks wont set!
> Both cards can be reset on the fly, if you use the proper DOS-based
> utilities to run and reset these cards after your system came up.  It is
> obvious here that they were written without OS/2 in mind, but on opening
> a DOS-VDM or WIN session based on it in OS/2, you can actually go in and
> load these utilities in the AUTOEXEC.BAT file for the session to hand
> set the card to various volume levels and tone levels and so on, if you
> install the utilities on your disk as well...
> 
> I have no idea where you can get your hands on the floppy set.  As well,
> there was a CD-ROM disk with the programs on it too, but I have no idea
> where you could get that, in that Creative is a long way past these
> cards now..
> 
> It would nice if they posted the disk images for these disks on the
> Creative website for us now that the disks are gone.  I've not checked
> the site, but maybe you can...
> 
> Between all of this, you may be able to either reset your card, or teach
> OS/2 how and where to find it...

Or just skip all the trouble and spend sixteen bucks on a SoundBlaster 16. 
There will be no compatibility problems or setup issues with that.

-- Ben Hamilton
-- ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com
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From: jsanchez@halcyon.com                              13-Oct-99 08:02:05
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Installing OS/2 with LS-120 and SCSI CDROM

From: "Jim Sanchez" <jsanchez@halcyon.com>

I decided to install another copy of OS/2 on my other disk drive "just in
case" and am having the devil of a time.  I have installed OS/2 several
times and never had any problems before but I have installed a LS-120 since
the last time I did it.  The partition is the first one and my disk is 4.2
Gb.  All disks are SCSI and I use a ASUS SC-875 (NCR 875 chip) adapter card.
In the past, all I had to do was put the scsi driver (sym8xx.add) in a
basedev= statement at the top of the config.sys and set copyfromfloppy=1 and
off it would go.  Now what I see is at the end of the third install floppy I
get a message that it cannot operate my harddrive. I have tried the "big
disk" drivers and moved things around in the config.sys but nothing seems to
work.  Funny that bootos2 can create a bootable disk and I have an
operational OS/2 partition but cannot get an install to work.

All suggestions appreciated


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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            13-Oct-99 15:22:03
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <38049D86.38FB07B@fmr2001.com>, Ben Hamilton <ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com>
writes:
>mike.luther@ziplog.com wrote:


Sure Ben..

>Or just skip all the trouble and spend sixteen bucks on a SoundBlaster 16. 
>There will be no compatibility problems or setup issues with that.
>
>-- Ben Hamilton
>-- ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com

Right on .. but then .. maybe the poster has no other realistic choice,
or thinks the only choice is to suffer with no help..

    Grin..


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com                          13-Oct-99 10:54:10
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: Ben Hamilton <ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com>

mike.luther@ziplog.com wrote:

> >Or just skip all the trouble and spend sixteen bucks on a SoundBlaster 16.
> >There will be no compatibility problems or setup issues with that.
 
> Right on .. but then .. maybe the poster has no other realistic choice,
> or thinks the only choice is to suffer with no help..

No excuse for that, with experts like us around, eh?  ;-)

-- Ben Hamilton
-- ben.hamilton@fmr2001.com
--
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From: andrie@attglobal.net                              12-Oct-99 22:05:21
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Hans Andrieáen" <andrie@attglobal.net>

Pierre Jelenc schrieb:

> I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
> connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
> without the scanner having been on during boot.
> 
> The card is supposed to be supported from the installation CD but
> Selective Install  says the directory is not valid. Where is the driver
> supposed to be?

In addition to James sugestions about IRQs, add to the CONFIG.SYS:
basedev=aic7870.add  <<< already exists for AHA2940x
basedev=aha152x.add  <<< for AHA/AVA 1502x

Set the IRQ for the AHA 1502x at BIOS to *used by isa* (or similar).

Bye/2
Hans

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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              13-Oct-99 17:28:17
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: NVidia Drivers

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <gYZM3.815$yp.5294@news.rdc1.pa.home.com>,
 <tvoltagg@home.com> wrote:
>Does anyone have any experience with the NVidia drivers in OS/2?
>Which card are you using?  How good is it?

You beat me to it. I was just about to post this query. :-)

In addition, how do you like the 2D image quality? Any 
problems with WINOS2?

I'm considering the Asus V3800 Ultra and also a Matrox G400.
The TNT2 Ultra is very fast and more price competitive, but
has gotten slammed on its 2D image quality.

Thanks.

Peter Stein
nbi@xnet.com

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     13-Oct-99 20:08:28
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: Installing OS/2 with LS-120 and SCSI CDROM

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:02:11 -0700, Jim Sanchez wrote:

->I decided to install another copy of OS/2 on my other disk drive "just in
->case" and am having the devil of a time.  I have installed OS/2 several
->times and never had any problems before but I have installed a LS-120 since
->the last time I did it.  The partition is the first one and my disk is 4.2
->Gb.  All disks are SCSI and I use a ASUS SC-875 (NCR 875 chip) adapter card.
->In the past, all I had to do was put the scsi driver (sym8xx.add) in a
->basedev= statement at the top of the config.sys and set copyfromfloppy=1 and
->off it would go.  Now what I see is at the end of the third install floppy I
->get a message that it cannot operate my harddrive. I have tried the "big
->disk" drivers and moved things around in the config.sys but nothing seems to
->work.  Funny that bootos2 can create a bootable disk and I have an
->operational OS/2 partition but cannot get an install to work.

The message also mentions your floppy drive and it's that in this case I
suspect, LS-120 needs BASEDEV=IBMATAPI.FLT to operate and this driver
wasn't available when the install diskettes were built so you need to get
a copy (FP6 or higher or IDEDASD.EXE contains it).


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: barrowcl@flash.net                                13-Oct-99 19:26:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Netfinity 5.1

From: "George Barrowcliff" <barrowcl@flash.net>

Where can I find the fixpaks for Netfinity 5.1?

TIA GWB


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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    13-Oct-99 19:40:05
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> 
> The chipset in a 2940xx (except xx= U2W) is an AIC7870 and the generic
> driver for all boards built on this chipset is AIC7870.ADD. 

OK, so that's good.
 
> AFAIK the 1502 is hardcoded to use IRQ 11 so you probably need to tell

The documentation says it's preset to 10, not 11, which I figured would
then work OK so I did not look at the jumpers. I'll do that after I shut
down. In any case, it can be set to IRQ 9, 10, 11, or 12.

> your BIOS to reserve that one as legacy/ISA and force the 2940 to a

In which order do the SCSI adapters load? What determines who's #0 and
who's #1?

> different setting that way. The driver for a 1502 should be AHA152X.ADD
> not the AHA154X.ADD that someone else quoted.

Yes, the selective install autodetect does highlight AHA152X.ADD, but then
it does not find it on the CD.

Aha! It's not in \IMAGES, it's in \IMAGES\DISK_1. Selective install was
looking in the wrong place.

I'll give it a try after I check the IRQ.

Maybe, just maybe getting there...

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               13-Oct-99 16:12:28
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:56:06 -0500, Ben Hamilton wrote:

>> >I have re-formatted and put back on a stable version of Windows 95.

BAH, HAH, HAH!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: pfitz@ican.net                                    13-Oct-99 20:16:16
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: Re: NVidia Drivers

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

Peter Stein wrote:
> 
> In article <gYZM3.815$yp.5294@news.rdc1.pa.home.com>,
>  <tvoltagg@home.com> wrote:
> >Does anyone have any experience with the NVidia drivers in OS/2?
> >Which card are you using?  How good is it?
> 
> You beat me to it. I was just about to post this query. :-)
> 
> In addition, how do you like the 2D image quality? Any
> problems with WINOS2?
> 
> I'm considering the Asus V3800 Ultra and also a Matrox G400.
> The TNT2 Ultra is very fast and more price competitive, but

> has gotten slammed on its 2D image quality.

I bought the Asus 3800 and sold it right away, replacing it with a used
Matrix G200. 

Why?  The Riva os/2 drivers are stuck at 60hz for all modes! There's no
way I'm running my beautiful 21" Trinitron at 60hz!  The G200 pretty
much sucks for 3D games, but the OS/2 (and win9x/nt) 2D drivers are
top-notch.   Apparently the same os/2 driver is used for the G400.

Do not buy a TNT card if you plan on running OS/2 a lot.

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From: belliot1@midsouth.rr.com                          13-Oct-99 21:30:20
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: Warp 4 and Ultrastor SCSI adaptor - help!

From: "Brian Elliott" <belliot1@midsouth.rr.com>

I have an Ultrastor 34F SCSI adaptor that worked fine with OS/2 2.x and Warp
3.
I have always had to add the vendor's driver manually to config.sys.
Warp 4 WILL NOT load the driver ultra14.add.  I have HD, but no CD support.
Ultrastor is long since gone, so no support.   Does anyone have any ideas?
Is there any kludge that allows Warp 4 to run a valid driver from Warp 3?
...or do I have to buy that Adaptec controller on uBid for $2.50...


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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          14-Oct-99 07:06:19
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

With GRADD 0.79 and 0.80 I botted to a blank screen with
my G400. Went straight back to the Matrox drivers. Looks
like I'll be pulling out my Hauppauge card and selling it
unless the drivers licenced from SDD by IBM work.

Cheers

Wayne


On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:58:02 -0400, tom wrote:

:>
:>
:>Wayne Bickell wrote:
:>
:>> You have to revert your system back to VGA by typing
:>> SETVGA at a command prompt or hitting Alt-F1 at the
:>> OS/2 blob and selecting F3 (I think) I tried SDD beta 7
:>> and wanted to reinstall my Matrox drivers (G-400) The
:>> Matrox readme says you can reinstall from the MGA
:>> directory but that didn't work for me. I had to reinstall
:>> from the unzipped archive. I've never found a way of
:>> removing the installed GRADD components though
:>> from GRADD 0.79.
:>>
:>> Cheers
:>>
:>> Wayne
:>
:>I just installed a G400 card and tried the GRADD 8 again andmy system won't
boot at
:>all. The new problem with the card is
:>the greyed out areas of windoze-OS2 I get colored lines
:>instead of the icon.
:>
:>Tom
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     13-Oct-99 23:47:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 13 Oct 1999 19:40:11 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

->> AFAIK the 1502 is hardcoded to use IRQ 11 so you probably need to tell
->
->The documentation says it's preset to 10, not 11, which I figured would
->then work OK so I did not look at the jumpers. I'll do that after I shut
->down. In any case, it can be set to IRQ 9, 10, 11, or 12.

Whichever one it is set to will probably need to be reserved in the BIOS
setup. I doubt if an ISA card will inform the BIOS that it is using a
particular resource so, unless you mark it reserved, it stands a chance of
being assigned elsewhere too.

->> your BIOS to reserve that one as legacy/ISA and force the 2940 to a
->
->In which order do the SCSI adapters load? What determines who's #0 and
->who's #1?

The order of the BASEDEV lines in CONFIG.SYS if the extension is the same
(ie, all ADD drivers).

->> different setting that way. The driver for a 1502 should be AHA152X.ADD
->> not the AHA154X.ADD that someone else quoted.
->
->Yes, the selective install autodetect does highlight AHA152X.ADD, but then
->it does not find it on the CD.

It's probably already in \os2\boot and just needs a basedev added for it.

I may be a little erratic in replying for a while since I'm about to move
house tomorrow. For the next two or three weeks I shall be commuting
between new<->old and will probably have a bunch of stuff to do.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: jdparker@erols.com                                13-Oct-99 19:49:10
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: Can't get audio in WinOS/2

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

jbrush@aros.net wrote:

> >On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:02:13, Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I can't find anything that says one way or the other regarding support
for
> >> WinOS2 sessions in what came in the zip file. Is there some other
> >> documentation you are talking about?
>
> I missed the original post, but I would volunteer that there is a readme
> file on the CD that tells how to get most sound cards to work in WinOS2. I
> know I needed that for my sound blaster, and there are other cards listed
> as well.
>
> HTH,
>
> John

This was not a sound card that was around when OS/2 came out. Actually it
isn't
even a "card", its an ESS 1938 PCI 3D audio chip set.

Thanks
Jim


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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     13-Oct-99 23:49:18
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: Netfinity 5.1

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:26:15 GMT, George Barrowcliff wrote:

->Where can I find the fixpaks for Netfinity 5.1?

I found them from http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/files (I think) then
search for files with the keyword NF51. I found this site from
http://service5.boulder.ibm.com/pspfixpk.nsf and searched for ECC memory
errors. It gave me the link to the PC Co. web site and told me what to
search on.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
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From: jbrush@aros.net                                   13-Oct-99 19:06:26
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: Can't get audio in WinOS/2

From: jbrush@aros.net

>> I missed the original post, but I would volunteer that there is a readme
>> file on the CD that tells how to get most sound cards to work in WinOS2. I
>> know I needed that for my sound blaster, and there are other cards listed
>> as well.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> John

>This was not a sound card that was around when OS/2 came out. Actually it
>isn't even a "card", its an ESS 1938 PCI 3D audio chip set.

Hey, like I said, I missed the original post. Just trying to help.

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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   14-Oct-99 01:45:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <7tvfmn$e89$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, on 10/12/99 
   at 02:13 PM, frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney) said:


> [ Followups set to comp.os.os2.setup.misc to reduce crossposting ]

>In <7tved8$rpo$1@news.panix.com>, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)
>writes: >James Moe  <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>     Just make sure there is a free IRQ for each adapter.
>>
>>I thought I did but I wonder now:
>>
>> IRQ Level =  0  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
>> IRQ Level =  1  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard Controller
>> IRQ Level =  2  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
>> IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_1 Serial Controller
>> IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_2 Serial Controller
>> IRQ Level =  4  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0 Serial Controller
>> IRQ Level =  5  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUDIO_0 ESS AudioDrive
>> IRQ Level =  6  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy Controller
>> IRQ Level =  8  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
>> IRQ Level = 11  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
>> IRQ Level = 12  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary Device Controller
>> IRQ Level = 14  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller
>>
>>Except I don't see either of them! What is this "Adaptec AIC7870"? My two
>>cards are an AHA 2940AU, which works, and an AVA 1502E which does not
>>(that's the one I'm trying to load a driver for).

>Pierre,

>The AIC7870 is one of Adaptec's SCSI chipsets, one found in various
>Adaptec cards (and used by my A.I.R.  motherboard as well).

>If IRQ15 isn't locked into your motherboard's IDE support, it's 
>available, as are (possibly) IRQ9 and IRQ10. You may need to play with 
>your system's CMOS Setup to make sure the IRQ you choose is available
>to the ISA bus).

>I use the word "possibly" above because nothing is certain (;-). 
>RMVIEW only reports back what Resource Manager-aware drivers report to
>it - a driver that doesn't tell the OS/2 Resource Manager that the
>driver plans to use (say) IRQ15 can still use the IRQ, but RMVIEW won't
>report it ("Hey!  Nobody told ME!").  Since RM was introduced in Warp
>(3.0), any pre-3.0 driver fits this description; unfortunately, I
>understand it's also true for some post-3.0 drivers (sigh).

Not so.  RMVIEW does report it, but not with the /irq option, as it
would be reasonable to expect. Instead, try rmview /d  . Then search the
output for "irq", and I think every device claiming one  will show up.
Dunno why. ..
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    14-Oct-99 06:11:12
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Harry Travis <htravis@ibm.net> writes:
> 
> Not so.  RMVIEW does report it, but not with the /irq option, as it
> would be reasonable to expect. Instead, try rmview /d  . Then search the
> output for "irq", and I think every device claiming one  will show up.
> Dunno why. ..

I don't see anything claining IRQ 10, which is what the card is set for.

The driver is seen to load with Alt-F2 just after the driver for the other
SCSI card, but somehow there's no trace of it after the boot.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com                      14-Oct-99 04:35:17
  To: raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com                      14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: I Quit

To: Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com>
From: Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com>

Look at all these replies! After messing with this since July with the
"no sound" in the subject line and getting nothing, putting "I quit"
gets a response! Weird, oh well, I don't know who's loss it is, but at
least I can use this extra machine again. Maybe next time for WARP 4. I
can always break out my 486DX-33 WARP 3 Fix Pak 40 machine with the 14.4
modem and Netscape 2.02 if that will make anyone happy!
Ray 

Ray wrote:
> 
> OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
> help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem, I
> quit.
> 
> I have had no problem with DOS and WIN 3.1 on co-existing on this WARP
> machine, but WARP was unable to recognize the Vibra 16 SB card so that I
> could have sound and use my voice response. (The box made it sound neat)
> 
> I have re-formatted and put back on a stable version of Windows 95.
> Seems to be plenty of help out there for that, although I didn't need
> it, all hardware was recognized.
> 
> Sometime in the future I may dabble in OS/2 again, but for right now, it
> was $200 dollars wasted.
> 
> Dissappointed Ray in Seattle

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    14-Oct-99 06:19:24
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:09
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> 
> Whichever one it is set to will probably need to be reserved in the BIOS
> setup. I doubt if an ISA card will inform the BIOS that it is using a
> particular resource so, unless you mark it reserved, it stands a chance of
> being assigned elsewhere too.

The jumper was indeed set for IRQ 10 as describe in the docs.

I went into the BIOS setup, but I did not see any mention of reserving an
IRQ. How is that done?

> The order of the BASEDEV lines in CONFIG.SYS if the extension is the same
> (ie, all ADD drivers).

OK, they are in the right order, then.

> It's probably already in \os2\boot and just needs a basedev added for it.

Indeed it was, with a whole bunch of others. Does the installation put 
all those unused drivers there all the time? It seems to be a serious
waste of space.

> I may be a little erratic in replying for a while since I'm about to move
> house tomorrow. 

You have my sympathy! I did that 3 months ago and still have not found
quite a few things I thought I had packed logically...

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    14-Oct-99 06:21:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:09
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Hans Andrießen <andrie@attglobal.net> writes:
> 
> In addition to James sugestions about IRQs, add to the CONFIG.SYS:
> basedev=aic7870.add  <<< already exists for AHA2940x
> basedev=aha152x.add  <<< for AHA/AVA 1502x

Done.

> Set the IRQ for the AHA 1502x at BIOS to *used by isa* (or similar).

How is that done? I don't see an IRQ section in the BIOS setup screens.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 14-Oct-99 01:01:18
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:09
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.setup.misc, Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Look at all these replies! After messing with this since July with the
>"no sound" in the subject line and getting nothing, putting "I quit"
>gets a response!

I don't think that your initial question got here.  I *do* see several
questions from you in DejaNews, though.  That's weird.  :-(

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                           Friction is a drag.

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From: robinkk@attglobal.net                             15-Oct-99 01:42:28
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:08
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: robinkk@attglobal.net (Robin Klitscher)

In article <38040318.EFE6275F@wcom.com>,
Will Honea <will.honea@wcom.com> wrote:

>
>
>Robin Klitscher wrote:

>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>> Come to think of it, I hadn't opened the miditower case to pinpoint the
>> source of the noise as the HDD, but had just assumed it. Difficult to
>> imagine what else it could be, though.  It did seem to be associated
>> with HDD activity.  I wouldn't have called it a "roar" exactly; more
>> like a transient chattering of the head mechanism, not particularly
>> loud but enough to be noticed.
>> 
>> It occurred in the boot sequence just before the desktop kicked in,
>> though it lasted a lot less time than the 5 to 6 seconds reported by
>> others.  More like 1 - 2 seconds, if that.  Invariably it was
>> accompanied (immediately preceded) by a quick burst of static running
>> across the screen, almost as if the monitor had been turned off and
>> then quickly back on. That doesn't happen with the backlevelled
>> drivers, either
>
>That sounds more like relays in the monitor switching modes.


Yair; well, out of curiosity I reinstalled the 2.31 MGA drivers and the
aural transient reappeared.  So I took the cover off the machine &
snooped about.  FWIW the source is indeed the drive bay area, but I
have three disks in there & couldn't isolate it beyond that.  I've no
idea whether it matters, but on the theory that _something_ is being
pushed more than it ought to be I've done a tactical retreat back to
the 2.23 version again ......




-- 
Robin Klitscher
Wellington ("Harbour City") NZ

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           14-Oct-99 17:26:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <h3dB4MzgEy6Q092yn@attglobal.net>, on 10/15/99 
   at 01:42 AM, robinkk@attglobal.net (Robin Klitscher) said:

>>> It occurred in the boot sequence just before the desktop kicked in,

Exactly.

>>> though it lasted a lot less time than the 5 to 6 seconds reported by
>>> others.  More like 1 - 2 seconds, if that.  Invariably it was

Maybe I exaggerated it... Did not use a stopwatch :-).

>>> accompanied (immediately preceded) by a quick burst of static running
>>> across the screen, almost as if the monitor had been turned off and
>>> then quickly back on. That doesn't happen with the backlevelled

Again, exactly the same symptoms here.

>>> drivers, either
>>
>>That sounds more like relays in the monitor switching modes.

>Yair; well, out of curiosity I reinstalled the 2.31 MGA drivers and the
>aural transient reappeared.  So I took the cover off the machine &
>snooped about.  FWIW the source is indeed the drive bay area, but I
>have three disks in there & couldn't isolate it beyond that.  I've no
>idea whether it matters, but on the theory that _something_ is being
>pushed more than it ought to be I've done a tactical retreat back to
>the 2.23 version again ......

Strange thing is that I have three computers here with OS/2 installed,
all with (different) Matrox cards and latest drivers 2.31 installed, but
only *one* of the machines produces this starnge sound on bootup. This
one is the only one booting from UW SCSI HDD. It has another IDE HDD
installed, so I can't really find which of the disks makes this sound...

What kind of HDDs others having the same problem are booting off?
Please, report.

Cheers,
Ivan

-- 
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"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        14-Oct-99 12:16:16
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: Netfinity 5.1

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <geribeurzfyrlqvnycvcrkpbz.fjkqmo2.pminews@news.dial.pipex.com>, "Trevor
Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:26:15 GMT, George Barrowcliff wrote:
>
>->Where can I find the fixpaks for Netfinity 5.1?
>
>I found them from http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/files (I think) then
>search for files with the keyword NF51. I found this site from
>http://service5.boulder.ibm.com/pspfixpk.nsf and searched for ECC memory
>errors. It gave me the link to the PC Co. web site and told me what to
>search on.

The latest version I'm aware of is 5.20.4...


>Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
>(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)
>
>
>

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From: pm@nospam.mclink.it                               14-Oct-99 18:46:01
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: "PM" <pm@nospam.mclink.it>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:26:29 +0400, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

:>What kind of HDDs others having the same problem are booting off?
:>Please, report.

I have the same problem and HD U2W

      Paolo
 p.micca@mclink.it


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From: oskib@hotmail.com                                 14-Oct-99 13:08:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com>

I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
and Linux recently.

I have a couple of questions:

1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
Win98?
3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
well as lesser known applications?
4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
network cards as easily as Microsoft?
4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?


Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks






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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           14-Oct-99 19:50:26
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Problem with YMF724 Card

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

Hello All,
 
I recently purchased a YMF724 chip sound card and I am
having problems getting it to operate with both Warp 4
and WSeB.
 
The installation of the drivers goes OK but when the system
boots up there is no sound. I placed a /V switch on the
device= statement to hopefully obtain some more
information.
 
The error message that appears indicates that the
driver could not locate the YMF724 PCI card
with Vendor = ???? Device ID 0004
 
The card shows on the boot up device screen as
Vendor ???? (the same as that requested by the driver)
and Device ID 000D
 
I assume that this is why the driver does not work.
 
The card is a Hi-Wave PCI Sound Card. The chip on
the sound card is a Yamaha YMF724F-V and the
silk screen on the card calls the card a BTI DS-1.
This appears to be the right kind of card but it
does not work.
 
Has anyone else tried one of the YMF724 based
cards? If so, what does it report itself for the
PCI Vendor and Card ID?
 
Lorne Sunley
 

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From: Alien@heaven.com                                  14-Oct-99 20:27:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com>

Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
used OS2.

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?

If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

Linux has a program that allows you to run some Windows programs called
WINE.

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

From what I have read Linux supports more SCSI controllers than any
other operating system.

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

Yes, most likely.
 
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks

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From: thotti@muenster.de                                14-Oct-99 23:28:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: thotti@muenster.de

Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
the actual Linux- Distributions are easy to install, but you need a
couple of time for understanding what you do.
OS/2 is also easy to install, but you have to upgrade the system
afterwards to get Y2k compatibility. And, if you have a HD > 4.3 (thats
the border I think) you need new driver for accessing these drives.
Available free via Internet

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?
FAT 32 is compatible to Win98 but top nothing else! So, if you choose
another OS than WIN98, you need to reformat. But, Linux as well as OS/2
is designed to handle the HD for more OSes and Partitions.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

you can run 16 Bit Win- Apps and early 32Bit Apps under OS/2. You can
emulate a whole Computer running Win98 under Linux with vmware. 

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

All SCSI Adapters and monitors are ok for both of them. Paralell scanner
are not supported under OS/2 and AFAIK Linux. Be aware of so called
"win-modems". They are running under WIN98 only

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting
 for Windows 2000?

Its the same. Networking Management is different in Win2000-Server.
 
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks

no matter 

cu/2

thotti

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From: sartory@bellsouth.net                             14-Oct-99 17:47:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net>

Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

My judgment is that Linux is still the most difficult to
install & get all the necessary services running. And NT the
easiest.


> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?

You do have the option of buying PARTITION MAGIC which will
allow you to shrink your current partition & create free
space & then create a new partition for your new OS. That
assumes your present partition is not completely filled with
files that you are unwilling to give up.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

OS2 will run old WIN 3.1 applications very well, but not
WIN95 or WIN98 or WINNT aplications.

Microsoft tries to force or encourage independent software
vendors to make their products compatible with the all
Windows OSes, but many don't. If an old Windows App was not
designed specifically to be WINNT compatible, it likely will
not be.

Linux has only very limited compatibility with any Win Apps
although there has been an effort to create that
compatibility for years.

Linux does come with lots of its own software though.

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?


OS2 depends mostly on hardware vendors to write drivers
compatible with OS2. Fewer & fewer now do that as OS2 loses
market share. If you choose OS2 you need to make a careful
selection of a video adaptor card in particular. 

Nearly all hardware vendors write drivers for WINNT as well
as other WINs because that's where the market is.

Linux depends on individual volunteers to write drivers &
they do that very well because there are a great many of
them & they personally own a great variety of new & old
hardware that they want to run under Linux.

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

I would personally wait at this point.

> 
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks


Walt

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 14-Oct-99 23:44:19
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

Well, there is a little trick you might have to do before
installing OS/2, due to the fact that it is an old EIDE-driver
that is supplied with Warp!

Other than that....there is no problem!
You have to have more specific information about the hardware
when installing and configuring Linux. 
But OS/2 is "optimized" for a i486 (read:not optimized for
anything specific), while Linux is or can be optimized for the
most hardware!

But IMO, unless you're a completely imbecile you're actually able
to install most operating systems today!

Well, Microsoft do not agree....In their opinion a printer-button
is not userfriendly enough!
Which is the reason for the many-many problems you can get
yourself into when installing MS-Windows


I consider both Linux and OS/2 to be easier to install than
Windows, because you are yourself able to take charge!
And there are not drivers for everything. 

IMO OS/2 is slightly easier to install, that might be because
I've only installed Linux a few times!

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?

AFAIK you're able to install OS/2 on the same FAT16 partition as
Windows, using the dual boot feature!
But I must emphasize that FAT16 is obsolete and is not worth
much!
FAT32...nope you cannot install OS/2 here!

I believe Linux allso can be installed on FAT16

But no matter what operating system you install, it is always
better to format the partition to the system's native filesystem. 

My reccomendation is to install OS/2 on HPFS and Linux on
Ext2/(Ext3)!

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

OS/2 runs Native OS/2 (16 and 32-bit), Java (one of the best, if
not the best), Win16 and DOS applications
Linux runs Linux (Posix) and DOS applications (I you choose to
install DOS-support) and Java applications (One of the best)

Here it looks like OS/2 have the edge!

Well Linux have add-ons that OS/2 does not have yet (Wine is to
be ported to OS/2)

Wabi that enables you to run Win16 applications
And Wine (in Beta) enabling you to run Win32 applications!
(AFAIK Both requiering an windows installed)

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

yes and no!

Neither Linux or OS/2 needs drivers for every little unit!
Ex: For an external modem all you need is a driver for the serial
port!

But the support for scanners is limited, it is almost SCSI
only...I believe Linux has the same problem (Twain)!

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

There are many-many problems with the core and the network part!
It has been rewritten, now optimized for x86, but at the same
time the system has grown to five times its previous size! 

At this time it is not really worth the effort, some basic
problems has been solved but there are too many left! 
Perhaps in a few years...it is the prize you have to pay, when
the GUI has higher priority than the base system, when
developing!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.


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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                14-Oct-99 17:50:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <38063CAF.9D90DCA0@heaven.com>,
Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com> wrote:
>Bones wrote:
>>
>> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
>> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
>> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
>> and Linux recently.
>>
>> I have a couple of questions:
>>
>> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
>
>Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
>used OS2.
>

What? Then how can you answer that question honestly? The fact is, I can
install OS/2 in my sleep (NO, I won't handhold you through an installl...)
while Linux calls for technical information that make me either drag out the
spec sheets for various cards or open the case to see what port, irq is being
used for certain cards I have installed...

Come on... try OS/2... you'll be impressed.

>> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
>> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
>> Win98?
>
>If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
>partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.
>

You'll want to reformat the drive anyways... NT, OS/2, LINUX, SOLARIS or
anything. It'd be stupid not to...

>> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
>> well as lesser known applications?
>
>Linux has a program that allows you to run some Windows programs called
>WINE.
>

OS/2 has superior win3.1 support and some win32 possibilties and that's it...
Linux? I never got that far into it and blew it out in favor of OS/2.

>> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
>> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
>
>From what I have read Linux supports more SCSI controllers than any
>other operating system.
>

That could be true, but you should see the supported list of scsi controllers
for OS/2... it's nothing sneeze at... :')

>> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
>Yes, most likely.
>

Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new there
except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at large".
Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of windows
users...

>> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks


You got it... Cheers,


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From: mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net                    14-Oct-99 13:15:15
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Fdisk can't read partitions on larger drive (3GB)

From: "Michael Shillingford" <mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net>

Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
has been partitioned by Win95B into:
C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
E: Extended 1020 MB Fat

On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
appears to be corrupted, showing only:
C: primary 976 fat
? 2044 MB unknown

I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
install warp/bootmanager on the extended partitions.
Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371


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From: mshill@elkvalley.net                              14-Oct-99 13:18:05
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: fdisk can't read partition table on larger drive (3GB)

From: "Michael Shillingford" <mshill@elkvalley.net>

Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
has been partitioned by Win95B into:
C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
E: Extended 1020 MB Fat

On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
appears to be corrupted, showing only:
C: primary 976 fat
? 2044 MB unknown

I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
install warp on the extended partitions.
Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371


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From: sartory@bellsouth.net                             14-Oct-99 17:14:23
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: fdisk can't read partition table on larger drive (3GB)

From: sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net>

I don't have any very helpful suggestions, but I would like
to report that I run several OSes, & it has happened to me
many times that Microsoft OSes have made made changes to a
partition table that OS2 has reported as a corrupt partition
table. In all these past experiences, the only fix I have
ever found is to delete ALL partitions on the physical drive
using OS2 fdisk & reboot & then completely repartion the
drive using OS2 fdisk. I have even found using WinNT4 at
servicepak level 1, that simply opening NT Disk
Administrator on a drive that was partitioned with OS2 will
result in a demand by NT to "write a signature" on the drive
& that will immediately cause OS2 fdisk to report the
partition table as corrupt.

Walt

Michael Shillingford wrote:
> 
> Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
> has been partitioned by Win95B into:
> C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
> D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
> E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
> 
> On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
> appears to be corrupted, showing only:
> C: primary 976 fat
> ? 2044 MB unknown
> 
> I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
> any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
> without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
> install warp on the extended partitions.
> Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
> mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
> IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371

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From: thotti@muenster.de                                14-Oct-99 23:33:07
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: fdisk can't read partition table on larger drive (3GB)

From: thotti@muenster.de

Michael Shillingford wrote:
> 
> Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
> has been partitioned by Win95B into:
> C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
> D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
> E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
> 
> On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
> appears to be corrupted, showing only:
> C: primary 976 fat
> ? 2044 MB unknown
> 
> I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
> any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
> without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
> install warp on the extended partitions.
> Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
> mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
> IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371

You are beyond Win9x magic 2g border. So, win9x has written shit to your
disk(from the sight of other OS). Start repartitioning your HD with a
prof OS like OS/2 and there will be no probs.
1. Delete all partitions with fdisk from Winxx
2. Start OS/2 installation, costum
3. When prompting, start partitioning your hd
4. partition it as above

cu/2

thotti

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From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com                14-Oct-99 17:38:09
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: Fdisk can't read partitions on larger drive (3GB)

From: "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:15:31 -0700, Michael Shillingford wrote:

>Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
>has been partitioned by Win95B into:
>C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
>D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
>E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
>
>On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
>appears to be corrupted, showing only:
>C: primary 976 fat
>? 2044 MB unknown
>
>I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
>any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
>without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
>install warp/bootmanager on the extended partitions.
>Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
>mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
>IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371

Sounds like Win95's FDISK screwed something up.  OS/2 doesn't have any
problems with large drives.  I've got one 3GB drive, and one 6GB drive,
both partitionable.

What you might try doing is deleting the extended partition with Win95's
FDISK, then try to create it again with OS/2's FDISK.



 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.


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From: robinkk@attglobal.net                             15-Oct-99 09:05:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: robinkk@attglobal.net (Robin Klitscher)

In article <3805db81$2$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>,
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> wrote:


>
>What kind of HDDs others having the same problem are booting off?
>Please, report.
>

Yessir!

This is a stand-alone machine, P2 450.  MGA 200 AGP.  Monitor is a
17-inch Phillips Brilliance, running at 1280x1024, 16bpp.  

IDE_0, Device: HD_0 QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A; Device: HD_1 QUANTUM
FIREBALL EL5.1A

IDE_1, Device: HD_0 QUANTUM SIROCCO2550A; Device: ATAPI_0 IDE CDROM

(The Sirocco on the second channel is an older disk, 2.4GB, extended
partition only, with logical drives dedicated to Linux RH6.0, ext2fs,
bootable using LILO via Boot Manager.  Unlikely to be a part of the
issue.)

On IDE_0, the first Fireball - 6.4GB - is partitioned 3 primaries and
one extended.  Primaries are Boot Manager (IBM version, not Partition
Magic's); Win98 (FAT32, bootable from BM but hidden from running OS/2);
and a small Warp4-based maintenance partition, HPFS, "at the end of
free space". The extended partition contains four logical drives, one
FAT16, the rest HPFS.  One of these is bootable from BM, containing
Warp3 Connect (FixPack 39 level) which, obviously, I've retained as a
separate fallback installation.

The second Fireball - 5.1GB - on IDE_0 is partitioned extended only,
with 3 logical drives, all HPFS.  The first of these has Warp4 as my
main OS (FixPack 12 level), and is selected as the default boot
partition from BM. The other two partitions are data.

Out of curiosity, I've just updated to the MGA 2.31 drivers on the Warp
3 logical drive on the first disk.  Lo and behold, it boots normally.
No odd noises, no flash across the screen before the desktop comes up. 

Emboldened, I then put the MGA 2.31 drivers on the maintenance primary
partition on the first drive.  This is a WPS installation created with
Kenneth Kahn's BOOTOS2 utility, and it's been serviced to FixPack 12
and DDPack 1, same as the main Warp4 installation, and it also runs
at 1280x1024 & 16bpp.  Guess what!  Normal boot; _no_ noises, _no_
screen flash.

Curiouser and curiouser.  Now I have the MGA 2.31 drivers working
without aberration on a Warp3 logical drive and on a Warp4 WPS primary
maintenance partition on the first physical disk, but exhibiting
persistent oddities during bootup (2.31 is functionally OK otherwise)
in a full Warp4 installation on a logical drive on the second disk.  

All of which leaves me none the wiser as to cause, really.  On the
face of it, the behaviour isn't easy to associate with logical boot
drives versus primaries, nor FixPack12, nor DDPack1, nor Warp4 versus
Warp3 per se.   Which leaves it, somewhat obscurely, with the main
Warp4 installation, or with the second drive on the first channel, or
both, or something I haven't thought of, the latter being entirely
possible! 




-- 
Robin Klitscher
Wellington ("Harbour City") NZ

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               14-Oct-99 22:41:01
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Ivan Adzhubei schrieb:
> What kind of HDDs others having the same problem are booting off?
> Please, report.

Same here with IBM DDRS UW-SCSI harddisk on one machine and Seagate UW
harddisk on another.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               15-Oct-99 00:37:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Partly solution 

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

I just downgraded to the Matrox beta driver 2.31.095 that still can be
found on Hobbes (/pub/os2/system/drivers/video) and the problem has
gone! Look for matroxg400_231095.zip.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: bellerto@cfl.rr.com                               14-Oct-99 22:20:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "BeLlErTo" <bellerto@cfl.rr.com>

Its really not that hard to decide....

OS2 - SUX
WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
Linux - Linux

You can use Star Office and a bunch of other Corel apps to replace MS Office
etc...









Bones <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com...
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?
> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?
> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net                          15-Oct-99 00:03:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Richard Dakin" <r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net>

BeLlErTo <bellerto@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:LGsN3.1173$Ob.8242@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com...
> Its really not that hard to decide....
>
> OS2 - SUX
> WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
> Linux - Linux
>
> You can use Star Office and a bunch of other Corel apps to replace MS
Office
> etc...


OS/2 - Don't know, not enough experience
WINNT - Very solid on my machines
Linux - Looks like it's been designed by a 3 year old using their left foot


--
Richard Dakin

+++ No email please +++


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From: hal@genesisproject.com                            14-Oct-99 23:29:28
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: hal@genesisproject.com (Hal Burgiss)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:03:59 +0100, Richard Dakin
<r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net> wrote:

>Linux - Looks like it's been designed by a 3 year old using their left
>foot

Just think, if this guy is only three and was using only his left foot
and did something so wonderful, then when he turns 4 and learns to use
both feet, we will really have something! And when he's 5 and uses both
feet, plus one hand we will be talking Galactic domination instead of
just measely World domination. Man, I can't wait!!!

-- 
Hal B
hburgiss@bellsouth.net
--
            Linux helps those who help themselves

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                15-Oct-99 02:41:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:08:28 -0700, Bones wrote:
I have OS/2 Warp 4 Fixpack 9, RedHat Linux 5.2, and Windows NT 4 on
my system (thanks to plenty of help from the folks here who helped me
set stuff up!).  Of the 3, I like OS/2 the most.  It is a better
operating system that either Linux or NT, primarily due to the
Workplace Shell.  On the other hand, if you are like me, IBM have
absolutely no interest in you as a customer, so you can forget any
hint of support.  And don't worry about spending too much $ on
software at your local store, there won't be any on the shelves. 
It's out there, but you'll have to download it.  And if you want to
install OS/2 on a IDE drive larger than 4.3 GB, you'll need to
download a patch from IBM ("how" is anyone's guess, considering one
usually doesn't have an operational PC before installing the OS...). 
And there are a few more character-building exercises with OS/2 as
well, but despite all my complaints, I feel it is by far the best OS
of the 3 and spend more than 90% of my time using OS/2.  I certainly
wouldn't go online using a WinXX OS!  Linux has potential but suffers
from the rather myopic view that many people like configuring things
by hand.  Also, it lacks OS/2's elegant GUI (as does any other OS,
I'm afraid).  Win NT is great for a firsth try by amateurs but as a
business-class OS from a fairly large firm, it is IMO horrific.  I
rarely boot it and when I do, it's to run some demo from a magazine. 


>1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

Out of the box, NT.  OS/2 may not like your HD w/o the patch.  Linux
may be a close second to NT though, it was fairly easy although I had
trouble with LILO (that was resolved with help from these
newsgroups).  

>2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
>drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
>Win98?

You won't have to format the HD (and loose your existing data) if you
use something like Partition Magic.  I use version 3; it works well
and version 4 is way too expensive.  Have a look at 
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/faqs/multiboot.html
to see how to set up a multi-boot system, but *do* install LILO in
the ROOT directory of your Linux setup, *not* the MBR, and *don't*
try to get by without installing LILO, I never got that working. 
You'll see what I mean. 

>3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
>well as lesser known applications?

In general, no.  OS/2 can run Win3.x apps better than Win, but many
users are not old enough to know what Win3.x was...  There are lots
of apps for either OS though, search for a page called or containing
"THE OS/2 ALTERNATIVE" and you'll see a large list.  

>4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
>network cards as easily as Microsoft?

As easily, no.  But most probably better...  My experience with Win
OSs hasn't been positive so far.  I could be wrong, but that's my
experience.  

>4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
No idea there, sorry.  

>Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Back stuff up before doing anything.  You may be able to keep Win9x
and add other OSs to your system too; look at the info in the
Partition Magic book or look online for more details.  Many here have
multiboot systems with more than two OSs.  Good luck!
Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      15-Oct-99 01:47:16
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Jerry McBride [TEAM-NETREXX] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

Ż Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new there
Ż except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at large".

Jerry, this isn't any advocacy group (and the first post was probably just a
normal troll), but you obviously has no clue of what you talk about.

It's true that Windows 2000 is the next version of Windows NT (it used to be
called NT 5.0 before Beta 3), but please read up on the subject or try Windows
2000 (out now in RC2) before making such stupid and childish comments.

Ż Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of windows
Ż users...

And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!

[ FT to proper advocacy group ]

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: herman_r_willett@swbell.net                       14-Oct-99 18:45:19
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Herman R. Willett" <herman_r_willett@swbell.net>

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I used OS/2 - Warp for a while until Win95 came out.  I switched to it because 
that is what work used, and there were more 'off-the-shelf' applications for
it.

However, I worked as a UNIX administrator for over six years, and a
VAX/VMS/UCX adm for three, and had another box with SCO-Zenix on it.  Still, a 
lack of comercial apps for Zenix.

Well, now I have added a linux machine running Red/Hat.  I love it!!!  Plus
there are so many apps I don't lack anything.

I've been working with various operating systems since 1973, and UNIX is my
prefered.

If you want an all-around solid opsys, go with Red/Had Linux.  You will not be 
disipointed.


    Bones wrote in message ...
    I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
    and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
    have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
    and Linux recently.
    
    I have a couple of questions:
    
    1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
    professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
    2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
    drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
    Win98?
    3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
    well as lesser known applications?
    4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
    network cards as easily as Microsoft?
    4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
    
    
    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
    
    Thanks
    
    
    
    
    


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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I used OS/2 - Warp for a while until Win95
came 
out.&nbsp; I switched to it because that is what work used, and there were
more 
'off-the-shelf' applications for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>However, I worked as a UNIX administrator for over six
years, 
and a VAX/VMS/UCX adm for three, and had another box with SCO-Zenix on
it.&nbsp; 
Still, a lack of comercial apps for Zenix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Well, now I have added a linux machine running
Red/Hat.&nbsp; 
I love it!!!&nbsp; Plus there are so many apps I don't lack 
anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I've been working with various operating systems since 1973, 

and UNIX is my prefered.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If you want an all-around solid opsys, go with Red/Had 
Linux.&nbsp; You will not be disipointed.</FONT></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
    <DIV>Bones<OSKIB@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in 
    message<RMQN3.49$L8.10042@NEWSIN1.ISPCHANNEL.COM> ...</DIV>I currently run 

    Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM<BR>and it's a
P3 
    550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I<BR>have used
NT 
    before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2<BR>and Linux 
    recently.<BR><BR>I have a couple of questions:<BR><BR>1) I am a fairly 
    technically apt person, but I am not a technical<BR>professional. Which of 

    these will probably be easiest to install?<BR>2) Regardless of which
system 
    I choose, will I need to reformat the hard<BR>drive first, or will if I 
    choose NT will I be able to install on top of<BR>Win98?<BR>3) Will OS2 and 

    Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as<BR>well as lesser 

    known applications?<BR>4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, 
    scanners, monitors, modems,<BR>network cards as easily as Microsoft?<BR>4) 

    If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 
    2000?<BR><BR><BR>Any feedback would be greatly 
   
appreciated.<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                14-Oct-99 19:01:15
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Jerry McBride wrote:
> 
> In article <38063CAF.9D90DCA0@heaven.com>,
> Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com> wrote:
> >Bones wrote:
> >>
> >> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
> >> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system.
I
> >> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> >> and Linux recently.
> >>
> >> I have a couple of questions:
> >>
> >> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> >> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
> >
> >Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
> >used OS2.
> >
> 
> What? Then how can you answer that question honestly? The fact is, I can
> install OS/2 in my sleep (NO, I won't handhold you through an installl...)
> while Linux calls for technical information that make me either drag out the
> spec sheets for various cards or open the case to see what port, irq is
being
> used for certain cards I have installed...
> 
> Come on... try OS/2... you'll be impressed.
> 
> >> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> >> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> >> Win98?
> >
> >If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
> >partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.
> >
> 
> You'll want to reformat the drive anyways... NT, OS/2, LINUX, SOLARIS or
> anything. It'd be stupid not to...
> 
> >> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> >> well as lesser known applications?
> >
> >Linux has a program that allows you to run some Windows programs called
> >WINE.
> >
> 
> OS/2 has superior win3.1 support and some win32 possibilties and that's
it...
> Linux? I never got that far into it and blew it out in favor of OS/2.
> 
> >> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> >> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
> >
> >From what I have read Linux supports more SCSI controllers than any
> >other operating system.
> >
> 
> That could be true, but you should see the supported list of scsi
controllers
> for OS/2... it's nothing sneeze at... :')
> 
> >> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
> >
> >Yes, most likely.
> >
> 
> Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new there
> except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at large".
> Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of windows
> users...
> 
> >> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> 
> You got it... Cheers,

I agree with Jerry on just about everything except the reformatting
part.
I think you wanted to keep your current system intact, right?  Of course
that was me reading between the lines.  There is no way to reformat
without losing all that.  I suggest using Partition Magic to shrink your
current partition and create a new partition on which to install OS/2.
Unlike FDISK, PM can do this without loss of data.

Unless, of course, you really weren't looking to keep your current
system.
Then, by all means, REFORMAT.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: barrowcl@flash.net                                14-Oct-99 23:28:21
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: Netfinity 5.1

From: "George Barrowcliff" <barrowcl@flash.net>

I found the site but only the patches for the ECC problem.  I was unable to
find the upgrades to 5.2.

Any other ideas?

GWB


John Poltorak wrote in message <3805c9a1.0@katana.legend.co.uk>...
>In <geribeurzfyrlqvnycvcrkpbz.fjkqmo2.pminews@news.dial.pipex.com>, "Trevor
Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
>>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:26:15 GMT, George Barrowcliff wrote:
>>
>>->Where can I find the fixpaks for Netfinity 5.1?
>>
>>I found them from http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/files (I think) then
>>search for files with the keyword NF51. I found this site from
>>http://service5.boulder.ibm.com/pspfixpk.nsf and searched for ECC memory
>>errors. It gave me the link to the PC Co. web site and told me what to
>>search on.
>
>The latest version I'm aware of is 5.20.4...
>
>
>>Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
>>(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)
>>
>>
>>
>


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From: Frank@get-lost.spam                               14-Oct-99 23:34:24
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: Frank@get-lost.spam (Frank)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:45:29, Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com> 
wrote:

> OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months , I
> quit.
> 
>"WARP was unable to recognize the Vibra 16 SB card so that I
> could have sound and use my voice response. (The box made it sound neat)
> 
Or do like I do.
I have a Ensoniq 1371 PCI soundcard that just won't work in OS/2 so...
I use OS/2 for the real stuff (productivity and internet) and 
Windows98 for 
the fun stuff . (games, recording, internet movies and sounds)

This works fine for me. (Although it would be nice to have it work so 
I could delete Win98 altogether !)

Greeeetings,

Frank

The box said:"Requires Windows 95/98, NT or better" .......... So I 
too installed OS/2.


Reply per Email to franklyware@-NOSPAM-beer.com

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                15-Oct-99 02:47:25
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: Fdisk can't read partitions on larger drive (3GB)

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

I ran into the same trouble and ended up using Win9x's fdisk to
partition the drive.  Linux's fdisk  will also work.  



On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:38:18 -0400 (EDT), Mike Ruskai wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:15:31 -0700, Michael Shillingford wrote:
>
>>Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
>>has been partitioned by Win95B into:
>>C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
>>D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
>>E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
>>
>>On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
>>appears to be corrupted, showing only:
>>C: primary 976 fat
>>? 2044 MB unknown
>>
>>I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
>>any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
>>without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
>>install warp/bootmanager on the extended partitions.
>>Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
>>mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
>>IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371
>
>Sounds like Win95's FDISK screwed something up.  OS/2 doesn't have any
>problems with large drives.  I've got one 3GB drive, and one 6GB drive,
>both partitionable.
>
>What you might try doing is deleting the extended partition with Win95's
>FDISK, then try to create it again with OS/2's FDISK.
>
>
>
> - Mike
>
>Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.
>
>

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                15-Oct-99 02:50:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: Fdisk can't read partitions on larger drive (3GB)

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

But on second thought, using Win's fdisk may cause you more trouble,
it happened to me recently!  How about deleting everything and then
trying either OS/2's or Linux's fdisk?
Sorry for the confusion, I wanted to catch my possible mistake in the
previous post, just in case...


On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:47:51 -0400 (EDT), OS/2 Fan wrote:

>I ran into the same trouble and ended up using Win9x's fdisk to
>partition the drive.  Linux's fdisk  will also work.  
>
>
>
>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:38:18 -0400 (EDT), Mike Ruskai wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:15:31 -0700, Michael Shillingford wrote:
>>
>>>Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
>>>has been partitioned by Win95B into:
>>>C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
>>>D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
>>>E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
>>>
>>>On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
>>>appears to be corrupted, showing only:
>>>C: primary 976 fat
>>>? 2044 MB unknown
>>>
>>>I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
>>>any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
>>>without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
>>>install warp/bootmanager on the extended partitions.
>>>Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
>>>mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
>>>IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371
>>
>>Sounds like Win95's FDISK screwed something up.  OS/2 doesn't have any
>>problems with large drives.  I've got one 3GB drive, and one 6GB drive,
>>both partitionable.
>>
>>What you might try doing is deleting the extended partition with Win95's
>>FDISK, then try to create it again with OS/2's FDISK.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>>Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.
>>
>>
>
>Regards,
>Xtralarge OS/2 fan
>	
>Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
>killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
>I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
>and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  
>
>

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: khalsa@ibm.net                                    14-Oct-99 20:12:12
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: Utility Disks and IDEFIX

From: khalsa@ibm.net

I heard that recently (last few of months) someone has released an ide
driver for OS/2 that supports non Intel chipsets (Danis506.add maybe).
Might help the BM if not solve the problem at hand.  I have an Intel
chipset, so I can't speak from experience with this driver, but if you
search deja you should come up with a number of testimonials.

I thought the make uitlity disks from an installed OS/2 partition, it
uses the drivers for the util disks that the partition uses to boot, no
need to update them (no experience with the SCSI myself).

OS/2 Fan wrote:

> Hello,
>         I'm attempting to make updated utility disks that include the
> IDE fixes and the SYM8xx.ADD driver necessary for my SCSI PCI
> adapter, that controls my CDR and CDROM.  Both my HDs are IDE, one
> UDMA/33 capable, the second not.  I launch the "Make Utility Disks"
> app in System Setup, use the OS/2 Warp CD's disk images, and modify
> Disk 1 as follows:
>
> 1.      Copy the new versions of IBM1S506.ADD, IBMIDECD.FLT and
> OS2DASD.DMD device driver files onto Disk 1.
> 2.      Edit config.sys on Disk 1, to include the line:
> BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD /A:0 /!BM /A:0 /!BM
>         My chipset is the SiS 5582, and IBM1S506.ADD only supports BM
> on Intel chipsets so I've added the /!BM for both my drives.  Drive 0
> has NT and OS/2 on it, Drive 1 is entirely Linux, incidentally.
> 3.      Add the statement
> BASEDEV=SYM8XX.ADD
> for SCSI support, and copy SYM8XX.ADD onto the diskette.
> 4.      Add the statement SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1.
>
>         I've checked the README and "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" and can't
> figure out what I've done to create the following problem:  When I am
> told to insert Disk 1, all goes OK (apparently) until the end.  When
> the screen to insert Disk 2 appears, the floppy light flashes, and
> the floppy drive makes a periodic click/grind noise.  Waiting doesn't
> help, and putting in Disk 2 results in a beep and the message "OS/2
> cannot operate your hard drive."  So I'm stuck.  How do I create
> useable utility diskettes?  The IDEFIX is the latest one, by the way,
> and my drives are 6.1 and 1.2 GB.  TIA!
>
> Regards,
> Xtralarge OS/2 fan
>
> Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
> killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone,
> I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it,
> and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.



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From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net                              15-Oct-99 01:06:16
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: Setup string for file Type?

From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net (Harald Portig)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:34:45, Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net> wrote:

> Not exactly clear whether you are simply asking for the syntax of the
> relevant  setup strings for say Program Reference and Program file
> objects, thus:
> ASSOCFILTER=
> ASSOCTYPE=
> (multiple filename filters and types respectively are delimited with
> comma's)
> or asking for default list of filters/types as well?
> Data objects then subsequently created would inherit these associations.
> 
> As regards the second part of your question :
> Assuming OPEN =DEFAULT     (as opposed to SETTINGS which brings up
> properties notebook) then I suspect you need to play with DEFAULTVIEW=
> again SETTINGS(notebook properties), DEFAULT(as defined by object class)
> or a number (for special class defined view) but I suspect the latter is
> not going to easily achieve what you actually desire as generally you
> are limited to child classes of WPDataFile such as OS/2 installed
> defaults of WPBitmap, WPIcon, WPMet, WPPif, WPPointer, WPProgramFile,
> WPCommandFile etc?. (and of course any
> other new classes registered by subsequent apps you install).
> EG You may find that DEFAULTVIEW=4096 for those data objects derived
> from WPDataFile will associate to OS/2 System "E" Editor or 20587
> associates objects  of WPWordObj class to WordPro etc.....
> 
> Thus these are the 3 basic ways to associate a data object with an
> executable(cmd,exe,com):
> 1. By Association type
> 2. By Association filter
> 3. By it's WP class.
> 
       (Snip)

My specific question came from trying to automate the procedure to set
up the program SPIKE.EXE (OS/2 SIG, Vancouver, 1996).  It involves 
creating a data object (WPDataFile), going to the "Type" tab in the 
settings noteboot, creating a New Type, say "SpikeFile", and then 
making this new data object be both a "SpikeFile" and a "Plain Text" 
file.  After that a program object is created that invokes SPIKE.EXE 
and is associated to file type "SpikeFile".

Setting up the program is no problem using ASSOCTYPE=SpikeFile.  
However setting up the data file to be of type "SpikeFile" is what I 
don't know how to do by using a setup string.  Here is the input data 
to "MakeDesk".

Title     SpikeFile
Class     WPDataFile
Location  <WP_DESKTOP>
ObjectID  <HP_SpikeFile>

How is the type specified?

When I set up the object by hand and then apply Kenk Kelder's 
GETSET.CMD to it nothing resembling "type" is disclosed except 
possibly "DEFAULTVIEW=4096".

Thanks,
Harald Portig

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From: sartory@bellsouth.net                             14-Oct-99 21:26:16
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Athlon memory recognition

From: sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net>

I have a newly-assempled computer using an AMD Athlon
processor & an SD11 motherboard from FIC. One DIMM of 128 MB
is installed & is recognized by other OSes. In the default
installation, Warp4 recognizes 64MB. There is an option in
the BIOS Setup for "Boot RAM>64 M for OS/2", however when
this option is turned on, Warp4 recognizes only about 16 MB
RAM. There is little documentation.

Has anyone else encountered this problem? It appears to be a
bug in the motherboard or BIOS, but I'm not sure whether it
is a specific defect in MY board or a design problem in all
boards. I have not seen any mention of it on the FIC website
or the AMI website. (The BIOS is AMI.)

Any suggestions?

Walt

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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     15-Oct-99 00:50:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: RMVIEW 

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

In <38056ddd$2$ugenivf$mr2ice@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, htravis@ibm.net (Harry
Travis) writes:
>In <7tvfmn$e89$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, on 10/12/99 
>   at 02:13 PM, frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney) said:
--snip--
>>RMVIEW only reports back what Resource Manager-aware drivers report to
>>it - a driver that doesn't tell the OS/2 Resource Manager that the
>>driver plans to use (say) IRQ15 can still use the IRQ, but RMVIEW won't
>>report it ("Hey!  Nobody told ME!").  Since RM was introduced in Warp
>>(3.0), any pre-3.0 driver fits this description; unfortunately, I
>>understand it's also true for some post-3.0 drivers (sigh).
>
>Not so.  RMVIEW does report it, but not with the /irq option, as it
>would be reasonable to expect. Instead, try rmview /d  . Then search the
>output for "irq", and I think every device claiming one  will show up.
>Dunno why. ..

Harry,

What you're saying seems odd...  and does not match either my
expectations or my experience.  Would you mind posting the output from
your RMVIEW /IRQ and the IRQ lines from RMVIEW /D back here so I can see
what you're talking about?

From my system:

    [0 G:\ibmiak]rmview /d | grep IRQ | sort
      IRQ Level =  0  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level =  1  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level =  2  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level =  3  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  4  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  5  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  6  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  7  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  8  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level =  9  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = SHARED
      IRQ Level = 12  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED

versus (with some manual wrapping):

    [0 G:\ibmiak]rmview /irq
    RMVIEW: Physical view
      IRQ Level =  0  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
      IRQ Level =  1  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0
          Keyboard Controller
      IRQ Level =  2  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
      IRQ Level =  3  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_1
          Serial Controller
      IRQ Level =  4  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0
          Serial Controller
      IRQ Level =  5  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  Crystal
          Business Audio
      IRQ Level =  6  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0
          Floppy Controller
      IRQ Level =  7  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  PARALLEL_0
          Parallel Port Adapter
      IRQ Level =  8  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
      IRQ Level =  9  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0 
          Adaptec AIC7870
      IRQ Level = 12  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2
          Auxiliary Device Controller
      IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0
          ST506/IDE Controller

Neither of these listings show my "NE2000 clone" LAN adapter using 
IOA=0x300 and IRQ10.


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: nospam.neil.mcguigan@bigfoot.com                  14-Oct-99 18:06:09
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Chief" <nospam.neil.mcguigan@bigfoot.com>

here's my five cents:

1) Linux is free, as are all of its applications. if you want to learn c,
you can customize it to your hearts content. the only thing you pay for in
Linux is the nice packaging and support. it is entirely *legal* to copy
someone else's disk. you can run a program called star office, which is an
MS clone, and is compatible with MS office documents. also free. nt and
win2k are freaking expensive, the full version of ntw4 is at least 200 bucks
(Canadian).

2) the driver support for Linux is not complete. of course it is also not
complete for nt or win2k, but is better for nt at least. check the hardware
compatibility lists for each os and your hardware. win98 probably has the
best hardware compatibility, although nt isn't bad if you don't want to
worry about having certified drivers.

3) the application support is best on win98, as it will play the most games,
and 16 bit apps. most games will not play on nt, or if they do, will play
much better on 98 due to better directx support.

4) win98 crashes like a Hungarian bus on the Italian alps in February. nt is
very stable if you have certified hardware and drivers, and don't fuck
around with it regularly like I do. I've heard Linux is incredibly stable.
read an article about a guy that has run it for over 2 years without a
stall.

5) win98 sets up like a pair of silk panties. very smooth. nt isn't bad
either, but takes a bit of tweaking. I had to manually install my sound and
video drivers, and the plug n play service. I heard BeOS has the best set-up
program.

6) personally, I have a dual boot system, with win98 for games, nt for real
work. since I am not in a mission critical enterprise, I will probably
upgrade to win2k as soon as the final release comes out. I say this because
of that old rule 'if it aunt broke don't fix it', and upgrading to win2k
from an operating nt4 system would be foolhardy in a mission critical
enterprise. unless the risks of a more user friendly os outweigh the risks
of using a new, less-extensively tested one.


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From: ktkelvin@yahoo.com                                15-Oct-99 09:32:09
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Kelvin Tsang <ktkelvin@yahoo.com>

I have Win2K installed on two PC here, and awared that
the method Win2K uses to prevent crashes is to prevent
user put anything, which are not well proved to be safe,
on the system. Of course users still able to install whatever
they want, but then M$ won't take the responsibility in
case of system crash.
Kelvin
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Martin Nisshagen wrote:

> It's true that Windows 2000 is the next version of Windows NT (it used to be
> called NT 5.0 before Beta 3), but please read up on the subject or try
Windows
> 2000 (out now in RC2) before making such stupid and childish comments.
>
> Ż Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of
windows
> Ż users...
>
> And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!
>
>
> m a r t i n | n

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From: brandin1@flash.net                                15-Oct-99 03:57:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Chaotic Thought <brandin1@flash.net>

That sounds like a Microsoft-style business tactic far more than it
sounds like a method to "prevent crashes".

Kelvin Tsang wrote:
> 
> I have Win2K installed on two PC here, and awared that
> the method Win2K uses to prevent crashes is to prevent
> user put anything, which are not well proved to be safe,
> on the system. Of course users still able to install whatever
> they want, but then M$ won't take the responsibility in
> case of system crash.
> Kelvin
> --
> #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#
> Hong Kong OS/2 User Group
> http://www.os2.org.hk
> news://www.freeforum.org/comp.os.os2
> 
> Psion Fan Club - Hong Kong
> http://
> news://www.freeforum.org/comp.pda.psion
> #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#
> 
> Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> 
> > It's true that Windows 2000 is the next version of Windows NT (it used to
be
> > called NT 5.0 before Beta 3), but please read up on the subject or try
Windows
> > 2000 (out now in RC2) before making such stupid and childish comments.
> >
> > Ż Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of
windows
> > Ż users...
> >
> > And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!
> >
> >
> > m a r t i n | n

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 15-Oct-99 04:44:19
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <uNHS95pF$GA.276@cppssbbsa04>, "Herman R. Willett"
<herman_r_willett@swbell.net> writes:
>
>I used OS/2 - Warp for a while until Win95 came out.  I switched to it =
>because that is what work used, and there were more 'off-the-shelf' =
>applications for it.
>
>However, I worked as a UNIX administrator for over six years, and a =
>VAX/VMS/UCX adm for three, and had another box with SCO-Zenix on it.  =
>Still, a lack of comercial apps for Zenix.
>
>Well, now I have added a linux machine running Red/Hat.  I love it!!!  =
>Plus there are so many apps I don't lack anything.
>
>I've been working with various operating systems since 1973, and UNIX is =
>my prefered.
>
>If you want an all-around solid opsys, go with Red/Had Linux.  You will =
>not be disipointed.
>

is anyone else cynical enough to distrust a Unix administrator who 
used the system for years without knowing that Xenix is spelled with 
two 'X' es ? 

 
--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd



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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                14-Oct-99 20:56:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <i2oGOHeMnO6RiiXsSgO6QpmQ2fpw@news.kraftwerk.net>,
Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:
>Jerry McBride [TEAM-NETREXX] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
>» Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new there
>» except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at large".
>
>Jerry, this isn't any advocacy group (and the first post was probably just a
>normal troll), but you obviously has no clue of what you talk about.
>
>It's true that Windows 2000 is the next version of Windows NT (it used to be
>called NT 5.0 before Beta 3), but please read up on the subject or try
Windows
>2000 (out now in RC2) before making such stupid and childish comments.
>

Nothing personal, Martin. I've seen you in these OS/2 groups for a while
now...
But as for "stupid and childish"... go screw yourself...

>» Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of
windows
>» users...
>
>And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!
>

Like it really matters? Come on... be real...

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From: oskib@hotmail.com                                 14-Oct-99 22:44:00
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com>

Thanks everyone for all of your valuable input. I must say that after
reading everything I am TERRIFIED about actually trying to install any of
the Win98 alternatives. It seems that so much can go wrong, I can just
imagine hours and hours of frustrations. Perhaps waiting for Win2k is the
best bet. I just really hate Win98. I just got this computer and I started
getting the predictable crashes already. I used NT for a while on another
system and it crashed as well, but at least when an application crashed, it
didn't usually bring the whole operating system down with it.

I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups. I can usually figure
out the glitches but not without lots of hair pulling. I should have just
had the system shipped with NT when I bought it from Gateway. Oh Well...too
late now.






Bones <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com...
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?
> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?
> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              14-Oct-99 21:49:20
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: Athlon memory recognition

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

A bit of searching the newsgroups would tell you that they have, but not
necessarily on this m/b. It would also tell you that the BIOS switch for
OS/2 memory over 64MB is obsolete and that this is probably a BIOS
problem for which you need to make sure you have the latest available
BIOS, and if that doesn't fix it, report it to FIC to be fixed.

Graham.

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From: jktross@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu                       15-Oct-99 02:41:03
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Jim Ross" <jktross@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu>

Bones <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com...
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

NT.

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?

NO.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

NO.

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

Linux yes
OS/2 no

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
Likely.

Jim


>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: jktross@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu                       15-Oct-99 02:46:13
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Jim Ross" <jktross@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu>

Bones <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2czN3.13$2d.2531@newsin1.ispchannel.com...
> Thanks everyone for all of your valuable input. I must say that after
> reading everything I am TERRIFIED about actually trying to install any of
> the Win98 alternatives. It seems that so much can go wrong, I can just
> imagine hours and hours of frustrations. Perhaps waiting for Win2k is the
> best bet. I just really hate Win98. I just got this computer and I started
> getting the predictable crashes already. I used NT for a while on another
> system and it crashed as well, but at least when an application crashed,
it
> didn't usually bring the whole operating system down with it.
>
> I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
> expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups. I can usually figure
> out the glitches but not without lots of hair pulling. I should have just
> had the system shipped with NT when I bought it from Gateway. Oh
Well...too
> late now.

If you really wanted a more powerful OS, were ready, and could make
tradeoffs then
Linux would be for you.  This isn't a putdown.  You really must trade things
off like Windows app support.  Needing a very smooth upgrade from even
Microsoft is pushing it.  You can't ask that from a Unix style OS, which is
fundamently very different.
For me I don't buy software from stores, I'm cheap, I have time to learn and
start over, and don't want crashing.  The question is is stability the most
important thing to you?  For many/most people no.  For me sure. Linux is
right for me.
Jim


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From: enpeso@teleco.upv.es                              15-Oct-99 06:31:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: enpeso@teleco.upv.es (Enrique Perez Soler)

In article <rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com>,
   "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote:


It is such a pity to realize how a so nice request has become another infinte 
Win vs the rest discussion...

_____________________________________________

Enrique Pérez Soler

email : enpeso@teleco.upv.es
	kyke@ieee.org
web   : ttt.teleco.upv.es\~enpeso

"El bit es al hombre lo que el átomo a Dios"
_____________________________________________

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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  15-Oct-99 07:40:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com>,
  "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs
of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating
system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about
OS2
> and Linux recently.

Ok, In my eyes this depends mainly upon what you are going to do with
your computer! What means "powerful"??

Speaking for myself, I had some (bad) experiences with having to write a
book on a Win95 system - but part of the bad experiences the OS is not
to blame for but MS Word (Key words: bad conversion between different
Word versions, dependency of the formatting on the printer used...). Ok,
some crashes might be a result of OS flaws - no idea, won't go back
there...

Now I am working professionally as a developer on a NT system, and again
the not so very good experiences are mainly due to the programs used
here: MS Visual Studio with Visual C++. At least I have less problems
with system crashes...

At home I am working with OS/2 (and nothing else) since about 1992 and
after the above mentioned experiences I am still convinced that I have
installed the best thing available in this world. Here too I have no
problems with crashes. I write everything from letters to books with
"Papyrus", a small but powerful text program that has none of the
shortcomings of MS Word I mentioned (and most of its strengths - and
comes on just 2 or 3 diskettes including the dictionaries in several
languages!) I am programming a lot also at home, using IBM VisualAge C++
(Version 3 with all fixes, not Version 4!), and also this I prefer much
over the MS Visual xyz products.

Ok, I do not have any first-hand Linux experience, I am not a gamer and
I do not upgrade my computer every two weeks with the latest hardware.

If you have any intentions in the latter two directions, either stay
with Win98 completely or keep it at least as a booting alternative on
your harddisk! Shouldn't be an issue with the current HD sizes.

>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

With this background you should be able to install all the systems, I
suppose.

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the
hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top
of
> Win98?

You cannot install any of the systems _over_ a Win95/98 installation,
but if you want to keep it, use PartitionMagic to repartition your hard
disk and install any other system _along with_ your current, together
with any boot manager (A version of the OS/2 boot manager comes with
PartitionMagic). You will even find file system drivers for accessing
your old partitions for all the systems you mentioned.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken
as
> well as lesser known applications?

No, they won't, but you have a choice of similar products: MS does not
port any software to competing OS'es - and if you really want to use
Windows software, why don't you stay with it?? Sometimes you will have
to look for the alternative products on other systems; they are mostly
not found in the shops (but on the internet). If you like it very "MS
Office like" but still better and cheaper (i.e. for free): Try
StarOffice: You get it for all the systems you are considering, directly
from Sun via download or on a CD.

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

Of course not - not even Windows NT can do that! If you are using
anything but Win95/98 you will have to find your drivers on the
Internet, but once you found the "hot places" you will get almost
everything you need for all the systems. BUT: If you really want to just
go into any computer shop and buy what you see without thinking about
drivers: Stay with Win98!!

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

No idea about that. Maybe you don't want to pay twice ??

>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: j.welton@mailcity.com                             15-Oct-99 06:55:06
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: How do I? ESS1688 Sound Card

From: j.welton@mailcity.com

My system came with the ESS1688 sound card and it has served me well.
I recently did a complete reinstall of OS/2 to recover from a poor
"preview" version of SDD.  I've got everything almost back in order
except for one thing: sound.

I upgraded my system to FP11 and received a trap error on reboot.
A very nice OS2 user named Trevor advised FP11 and FP12 broke
compatibility with the ESS sound cards and to get my desktop back
I should REM out the config.sys lines for the ESS driver.

That worked to bring back my desktop and all my programs but I'm now
without sound for my system.  I can't hear my messages when they are
saved in PMFax's voicemail program.

So I'm wondering if anyone has experiened this FP11 or FP12 ESS trap
problem and if they were able to find a work-around, other than buying
a new compatible sound card.  I would appreciate it if only those who
have actually experiened the problem and were able to fix it respond.

Thanking you in advance,

Jeff


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 15-Oct-99 01:15:08
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

Any operating system (including Windows flavors) has the potential to
become a pain during installation if you have any hardware which isn't
supported by the installation software.

Some Linux distributions are "easy" to install, particularly those
which can install in a directory on an existing Windows drive using
either the UMSDOS filesystem (like Slackware has had for years) or
whatever it is that WinLinux2000 uses (probably the same)

Other Linux distributions can be more or less involved depending on how
you're installing them.

OS/2 isn't bad to install in general (easier than some Linux flavors,
harder than others), but you do need to be aware that even Warp 4 is
around three years old now, and some hardware items (particularly large
IDE drives) were not particularly common then and might require some
special steps (a new IDE driver) during the installation process.

In general, though, I'd say that knowledge of basic "PC" concepts like
hard disk partitioning is essential for doing installations of a second
or sunsequent OS on a particular PC unless it uses some sort of trick
for making things easier (like UMSDOS).

>2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the
>hard drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install
>on top of Win98?

I created separate partitions for NT and Win95 on my second box just so
I could keep the two separate from each other.  But I think you can set
up NT and Win98 in the same primary partition.  Not sure, tho.

It really depends on what you want to do with your setup.  Chances are
you won't "need" to do anything, but there are lots of possible final
configurations.  It's hard to discuss itmeaningfully without knowing
your configuration plans.

>3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken
>as well as lesser known applications?

Neither Linux nor OS/2 will run 32-bit Windows applications out of the
box.

However, at least one project still exists on the OS/2 side of life to
run Win32 software (doesn't run may application yet), and OS/2 can run
most DOS and Windows 3.1 software out of the box (including Quicken).

On Linux, you can use a package called Wine (an on-the-fly Windows->X
API translator) to run some newer Windows software, but it's not yet
considered "production quality", and Linux also has VMWare, which will
emulate a Virtual Machine and boot a real copy of Windows NT or 9x
inside itself.

Each of those OSes has a native Netscape and a native StarOffice, and
other native applications might be able to replace what you're wanting
to use, but again it depends on what you're looking for.

>4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
>modems, network cards as easily as Microsoft?

Since it's the dominant software platform by a wide margin, Windows
generally gets support first from the vendors, and the other OSes
generally have to play catch-up.  Linux in particular gets somewhat
less support from vendors (though that's changing slowly), but it also
has a very active development community which writes many (most?) of
its own drivers.

If you want to use an alternative OS, though (something which isn't
Windows 9x), it generally pays to try to use "mainstream" hardware
whenever possible, and it also generally pays to spend a little bit of
time doing research via DejaNews or other tools before purchasing
anything to make sure that it works with the OS(es) you're using.

Both OS/2 and Linux generally do fairly well as far as things like SCSI
controllers and network cards are concerned.  All of my boxes here are
SCSI boxes (using Adaptec 2940U's or 2940UW's).

Modems can be a problem nowadays because many new modems are partially
or entirely implemented in software to cut costs, meaning the driver is
essentially a modem emulator talking to an interface card.

Monitors generally don't care about drivers or OSes in general, since
they talk directly to the video card.

I can't say much about scanners, since they don't interest me (and I
know very littel about them).

>4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

Since Windows 2000 doesn't exist in final form yet, that's a fairly
difficult question.  Will the software you need run on Windows 2000?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           You gotta know when to code 'em, know when to modem.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 15-Oct-99 03:21:20
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Thanks everyone for all of your valuable input. I must say that after
>reading everything I am TERRIFIED about actually trying to install any
>of the Win98 alternatives.

Heh.  :-)  Yes, it's true that things can "go wrong", but experience
builds confidence.  A good backup mechanism can do wonders for one's
confidence level, also!

>I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
>expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups.

The amount of knowledge required seems larger than it really is, but I
can understand why it'd be daunting.  When I first started playing with
multiple OSes 7 years ago I remember being a little nervous.  :-)

One way to learn about a new OS without risking your existing setup is
to purchase a second (inexpensive) machine.  I've seen Pentium-class
boxes sold on the web for under $100 (w/o a monitor).

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
               All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.

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From: r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net                          15-Oct-99 09:36:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Richard Dakin" <r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net>

Hal Burgiss <hal@genesisproject.com> wrote in message
news:VHtN3.2776$EV2.17009@news4.atl...
> On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:03:59 +0100, Richard Dakin
> <r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net> wrote:
>
> >Linux - Looks like it's been designed by a 3 year old using their left
> >foot
>
> Just think, if this guy is only three and was using only his left foot
> and did something so wonderful, then when he turns 4 and learns to use
> both feet, we will really have something! And when he's 5 and uses both
> feet, plus one hand we will be talking Galactic domination instead of
> just measely World domination. Man, I can't wait!!!

Heh?
I said it *looked* like it had been designed by, not that it was.
The fact that adults were responsible makes matters worse.


--
Richard Dakin

+++ No email please +++


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 11:54:15
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

sartory wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> OS2 depends mostly on hardware vendors to write drivers
> compatible with OS2. Fewer & fewer now do that as OS2 loses
> market share. If you choose OS2 you need to make a careful
> selection of a video adaptor card in particular.

<snip>

Actually it is my impression that the opposite is the case!

The holes in the support, ex: the Creative Labs support, is old
news, their last dricer was a AWE64-ISA Beta!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 11:56:13
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

BeLlErTo wrote:
> 
> Its really not that hard to decide....
> 
> OS2 - SUX
> WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
> Linux - Linux

OS2 - OS/2
WINNT - Sux
Linux - Immature

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: bhk@dsl.co.uk                                     15-Oct-99 09:52:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})

On Thursday, in article <AHXB4oHpv6+A092yn@visi.com>
     rsteiner@visi.com "Richard Steiner" wrote:

> Here in comp.os.os2.setup.misc, Ray <raymond.heath@pss.boeing.com>
> spake unto us, saying:
> 
> >Look at all these replies! After messing with this since July with the
> >"no sound" in the subject line and getting nothing, putting "I quit"
> >gets a response!
> 
> I don't think that your initial question got here.  I *do* see several
> questions from you in DejaNews, though.  That's weird.  :-(

My current spool goes back to 29 July in this froup: Ray did indeed make
a number of postings during that time:
| WARP 4 install on multi-primary drive	Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:26:42 GMT
| Re: boot manager	Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:20:37 GMT
| New WARP 4 install, no sound	Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:14:18 GMT
| Re: Installation trouble	Mon, 6 Sep 1999 03:08:33 GMT
| SoundBlaster-16 PNP, no sound in WARP4	Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:39:34 GMT
| Long boot-up, no audio	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:02:43 GMT
| Re: SB16 IDE & NEC 4x4 CD-Rom	Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:42:35 GMT
| Long boot, no audio pt2	Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:11:23 GMT
etc.

He also attracted a number of replies to the "New WARP 4 install, no
sound" posting, which seems to be the earliest query mentioning sound (at
least in my spool):

| lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)	Sat, 04 Sep 1999 00:35:48 GMT
|    <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-Ld9VFNmjMX51@userMd018.videon.wave.ca>
| baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky)	Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:25:11 GMT
|    <bX2A3.3698$vx.50730@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>
| jerryw12 <jerryw12@home.com>	Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:18:32 GMT
|    <37D2512B.69DFAC91@home.com>

All appeared to give "sound" advice: perhaps Ray never saw these
responses?  He certainly never came back with any supplementary
questions, nor with a "Thanks, guys, that worked!", so it seems likely
that he did indeed miss them.  (Just in case he has troubles with his
feed, I'm e-mailing him a courtesy copy of this posting.)

Personally, if I post a query to a group, and get absolutely NIL
responses, a week later I repost with a more plaintive subject line: this
has never failed to get a response of some sort at least.

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                         bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "But we're a university.  We /have/ to have a library!..."said Ridcully,
         "What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the library?"
    "Students", said the Senior Wrangler, morosely. [TP: The Last Continent]

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From: bmwz3@NO_SPAM.home.com                            15-Oct-99 11:43:24
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Help! Candy Barz killed my desktop

From: bmwz3@NO_SPAM.home.com (Ronny Hippler)

	Tried out the latest Candy barz and noticed it had a few glitches 
so I went to uninstall it (which is too bad I did like the effects) 
and it locked my machine. upon reboot I got the dreaded "couldn't 
find a desk top creating temporary blah blah blah" mesage. Well I 
dug out a semi old but not too dated back up and restored my 
previous ini files. Well thing were still really hosed most of the 
objects were gone. So I ran checkini and it got me back to almost 
normal. the main glitches are:

1. a ghost drive showing up as a network drive that can't be 
deleted. 

2. when I click on  the "create another" option I get "folder" about
six times and "new folder" 2-3 times as choices. 

3. the mm volume controll no longer has an object ID 

any help would be appreciated. 


   ______                   
o/______\o      BMW The Ultimate Driving machine
(oo=00=oo)          Ronny Hippler BMW MC
 []----------[]              Spartanburg SC || PGP key upon request
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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                15-Oct-99 07:14:28
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <2czN3.13$2d.2531@newsin1.ispchannel.com>,
"Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Thanks everyone for all of your valuable input. I must say that after
>reading everything I am TERRIFIED about actually trying to install any of
>the Win98 alternatives. It seems that so much can go wrong, I can just
>imagine hours and hours of frustrations. Perhaps waiting for Win2k is the
>best bet. I just really hate Win98. I just got this computer and I started
>getting the predictable crashes already. I used NT for a while on another
>system and it crashed as well, but at least when an application crashed, it
>didn't usually bring the whole operating system down with it.
>
>I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
>expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups. I can usually figure
>out the glitches but not without lots of hair pulling. I should have just
>had the system shipped with NT when I bought it from Gateway. Oh Well...too
>late now.
>

Gateway? You bought a GateWay? Check to see which version of '98 they
installed
on your computer. If it's the first version, call Gateway support and bitch
like a dog in heat and let them know you want the "updated version". It should
not cost you anything...

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                15-Oct-99 07:18:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <3807085B.55272EA9@image.dk>,
Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk> wrote:
>BeLlErTo wrote:
>>
>> Its really not that hard to decide....
>>
>> OS2 - SUX
>> WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
>> Linux - Linux
>
>OS2 - OS/2
>WINNT - Sux
>Linux - Immature
>

OS2   - Nearly perfect...
WINNT - A bandit... robs from the rich to give to the richest... runs like a
        a jerky video cassette...
LINUX - The Gonna' Be Kid... Has a great future now that IBM is behind it.


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*
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From: thrillmstr@mindspring.com                         15-Oct-99 06:10:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Re: NVidia Drivers

From: "John Griffin" <thrillmstr@mindspring.com>

no problems here nividia riva tnt (stb4400)
Peter Stein wrote in message <7u2fg2$k8q$1@flood.xnet.com>...
>In article <gYZM3.815$yp.5294@news.rdc1.pa.home.com>,
> <tvoltagg@home.com> wrote:
>>Does anyone have any experience with the NVidia drivers in OS/2?
>>Which card are you using?  How good is it?
>
>You beat me to it. I was just about to post this query. :-)
>
>In addition, how do you like the 2D image quality? Any
>problems with WINOS2?
>
>I'm considering the Asus V3800 Ultra and also a Matrox G400.
>The TNT2 Ultra is very fast and more price competitive, but
>has gotten slammed on its 2D image quality.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Peter Stein
>nbi@xnet.com


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From: thrillmstr@mindspring.com                         15-Oct-99 06:19:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Re: I Quit

From: "John Griffin" <thrillmstr@mindspring.com>

i have the vibra 16 i got the beta drivers off hobbes (used them both with
and with out fixpacks) and no problems... try not installing sound at all
then download this
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/system/drivers/sound/sb16-32-64-v11b.zip
run it and reboot. then go into winos2 find control panel and selet drivers
then choose your cards drivers..thats it.....by the way where did you get a
"stable" copy of 95? (just kidding)
Ray wrote in message <3803BA09.B14E22E9@pss.boeing.com>...
>OS/2 WARP may be a fine operating system, but after three months of no
>help, from IBM or the news groups, to fix a seemingly simple problem, I
>quit.
>
>I have had no problem with DOS and WIN 3.1 on co-existing on this WARP
>machine, but WARP was unable to recognize the Vibra 16 SB card so that I
>could have sound and use my voice response. (The box made it sound neat)
>
>I have re-formatted and put back on a stable version of Windows 95.
>Seems to be plenty of help out there for that, although I didn't need
>it, all hardware was recognized.
>
>Sometime in the future I may dabble in OS/2 again, but for right now, it
>was $200 dollars wasted.
>
>Dissappointed Ray in Seattle


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From: thrillmstr@mindspring.com                         15-Oct-99 06:23:05
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack_try QF11

From: "John Griffin" <thrillmstr@mindspring.com>

i also liked that program...i just tried to install fp12 with it and csf140
and it wouldnt take....let me know if you have the same problem....

davisfnospam@union.edu wrote in message
<37ffb448$1$qnivfs$mr2ice@news.logical.net>...
>In <37FAC186.60B0A46F@my-deja.com>, on 10/06/99
>   at 03:31 AM, luistino <luistino@my-deja.com> said:
>
>
>>I cannot remember where I downloaded from, probaly hoobes, look for
>>Qf11.zip
>
>There is a small bug in this program which I don't know has been fixed. In
>the file called install.fil, your archive directory won't be correctly
>input; you have to modify this file by hand. I believe the newest version
>also handles fixpak zip files.
>
>I got this info from some helpful sources. I used QF last week to install
>FP11 on my laptop and I'm going to use it to install FP12 soon on my
>desktop.
>
>F.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>      Felmon John Davis
>     davisf@union.edu |  davisf@capital.net
>     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
>     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
>     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>


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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      15-Oct-99 14:19:22
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Jerry McBride [TEAM-NETREXX] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

Ż >Ż Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new
there
Ż >Ż except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at
large".

Ż Nothing personal, Martin. I've seen you in these OS/2 groups for a while
now...

Fantastic observation capability you have here, Jerry.

Ż But as for "stupid and childish"... go screw yourself...

Yet another great comment and clever argument by yet another fanatic weirdo.

How surprising.
 
Ż >Ż Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of
windows
Ż >Ż users...
»
Ż >And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!
Ż 
Ż Like it really matters? Come on... be real...

Well, to me it does (I happens to value my time and the work I do).

Which is exactly the reason why I avoid relying on any WinDOS version (even
the BETA versions of W2K seems to be much more reliable and stable than them).

Your choice, of course.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      15-Oct-99 14:19:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Peter Jespersen [Gothic Dreams] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

Ż > OS2 - SUX
Ż > WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
Ż > Linux - Linux
Ż 
Ż OS2 - OS/2
Ż WINNT - Sux
Ż Linux - Immature

Ż  Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark

Favorite OS - Favorite OS
Advocacy - Immature
This thread - dev.null

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 15:09:12
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: Help! Candy Barz killed my desktop

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Ronny Hippler wrote:
> 
>         Tried out the latest Candy barz and noticed it had a few glitches
> so I went to uninstall it (which is too bad I did like the effects)
> and it locked my machine. upon reboot I got the dreaded "couldn't
> find a desk top creating temporary blah blah blah" mesage. Well I
> dug out a semi old but not too dated back up and restored my
> previous ini files. Well thing were still really hosed most of the
> objects were gone. So I ran checkini and it got me back to almost
> normal. the main glitches are:
> 
> 1. a ghost drive showing up as a network drive that can't be
> deleted.
> 
> 2. when I click on  the "create another" option I get "folder" about
> six times and "new folder" 2-3 times as choices.
> 
> 3. the mm volume controll no longer has an object ID
> 
> any help would be appreciated.

Hmmmmm, haven't encountered any of these glitches!

But the desktop-problem has accoured twice (I use the archive
function, and it was unable to find a desktop to archive). I
performed a cold-reboot (read:reset). Upon the next boot the
desktop was back!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 15:33:06
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Peter Jespersen wrote:
> 
> BeLlErTo wrote:
> >
> > Its really not that hard to decide....
> >
> > OS2 - SUX
> > WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
> > Linux - Linux
> 
> OS2 - OS/2
> WINNT - Sux
> Linux - Immature

IMO Linux is stil immature!
The fact that it is able to go head to head with the MS monopoly,
can either say something about the potential of Linux or
something about the lack of potential in the MS-camp! In my book
both!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             15-Oct-99 13:46:08
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:41:26, "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's out there, but you'll have to download it.  And if you want to
> install OS/2 on a IDE drive larger than 4.3 GB, you'll need to
> download a patch from IBM ("how" is anyone's guess, considering one
> usually doesn't have an operational PC before installing the OS...). 

Yes that is rather enigmatic isn't it?

> And there are a few more character-building exercises with OS/2 as
> well, but despite all my complaints, I feel it is by far the best OS
> of the 3 and spend more than 90% of my time using OS/2.  I certainly
> wouldn't go online using a WinXX OS!  Linux has potential but suffers
> from the rather myopic view that many people like configuring things
> by hand.  Also, it lacks OS/2's elegant GUI (as does any other OS,

Coming on strong though is the KDE desktop!  I was running an ancient
version of Linux and recently upgraded to Slackware 4.0 (thats for real
men :) and I was amazed at the improvement that KDE offers to the X
server.  Linux doesn't need all the PM shell safety features because
they're built into the system at the most basic level, CLI.

And I've had one lockup in two years.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: luistino@my-deja.com                              15-Oct-99 13:13:14
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack_try QF11

From: luistino <luistino@my-deja.com>

John Griffin wrote:
> 
> i also liked that program...i just tried to install fp12 with it and csf140
> and it wouldnt take....let me know if you have the same problem....
> 

perhaps you should be using CSF141 with fixpak 12

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From: ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                         15-Oct-99 14:52:12
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS/2 FDISK reports corrupt partition table

From: Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

In comp.os.os2.setup.storage sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> [...] I would like to report that I run several OSes, & it has happened
> to me many times that Microsoft OSes have made changes to a partition
> table that OS2 has reported as a corrupt partition table. In all these
> past experiences, the only fix I have ever found is to delete ALL
> partitions on the physical drive using OS2 fdisk & reboot & then
> completely repartion the drive using OS2 fdisk.

Fortunately this is *not* the only fix there is. I've also had the
experience that a Win9x FDISK let loose on a hard disk will cause OS/2
FDISK to report possible corruption and then refuse to do anything but
delete partitions, however I did find ways to remedy the situation (which
I had already posted here), like using the cfdisk from Linux to read in
and re-write the partitition table (whenever I had encountered this problem,
after using cfdisk the OS/2 FDISK would accept the partition table again),
or using DFSee from http://www.fsys.demon.nl which is a more powerful and
less picky tool than OS/2 FDISK but can also handle the OS/2 Boot Manager.

Of course these methods require their users to know exactly what they are
doing, and I cannot take any responsibility if they fail (as we all know,
one *can* use an fdisk utility to screw up a hard disk beyond recognition).

So please do read the documentation of these utilities, be aware that your
mileage may vary, but if any of them helps please let me know by eMail.

Greetinx/2

Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                15-Oct-99 09:32:06
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: Athlon memory recognition

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

Walt,  WofgangHaas@wol.com has reported exactly this same problem in
os.os2.misc.  He has also tried different sized DIMMs (like 2 64MBs)
with no difference.

The general feeling has been that it is the bios, and to contact the
mfg.

The only other, non-related problem I haven of interest was when someone
had some sort of problems with the SD11 (don't remember what) and
reflashed the bios with bios (supposedly) identical (same version) to
that shipped on the board... and some of his problems went away!  

Seems like a cheap/easy thing to try.

Ron


sartory wrote:
> 
> I have a newly-assempled computer using an AMD Athlon
> processor & an SD11 motherboard from FIC. One DIMM of 128 MB
> is installed & is recognized by other OSes. In the default
> installation, Warp4 recognizes 64MB. There is an option in
> the BIOS Setup for "Boot RAM>64 M for OS/2", however when
> this option is turned on, Warp4 recognizes only about 16 MB
> RAM. There is little documentation.
> 
> Has anyone else encountered this problem? It appears to be a
> bug in the motherboard or BIOS, but I'm not sure whether it
> is a specific defect in MY board or a design problem in all
> boards. I have not seen any mention of it on the FIC website
> or the AMI website. (The BIOS is AMI.)
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Walt

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From: thrillmstr@mindspring.com                         15-Oct-99 08:35:01
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: VW32S.SYS help

From: "John Griffin" <thrillmstr@mindspring.com>

this is really driving me up the wall. i have warp 4 and have run fp8-11 and
when i reboot after doing the fixpacks it would always come to this line in
config.sys and reboot my machine. and all would be fine...now here i am
applying fp12 on top of a fresh install of warp4 and it hung during service
and locked my desktop....since this is only needed to run win32 api programs
(in which i have no want or need) should i install win32 prior to FP12? if
so why? is there a work around?
VW32S.SYS Supplies support for the WIN32S Windows APIs. Not needed for
Windows programs that do not use WIN32S APIs is what i got wheni searched
for it on ibm's site. and i have seen nothing in the readme's in FP12 about
this....i saved asking the group as a last resort. i was using SFIX which i
have had no problems in the past with...


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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             15-Oct-99 08:46:08
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:17
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?
> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?
> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

1)  OS/2 is the easiest to install IF you are a RTM kind of guy.  If you
are not, probably NT is easiest to install but hardest to deal with
follow-on problems resulting from not RTM.

2)  If you install NT, you can continue to use FAT16 partitions which
Win98 can also read.  This is an obsolete and archaic file storage
system, however, as is FAT32.  HPFS in OS/2 is the best file system
available today for end-users.  If you value your data, HPFS is a good
choice.

3) MS Office 2000 will only run on Win9x and Windows NT.  The last
version of Microsoft Office which runs on OS/2 was Office 4 with Word 6
and Excel 5.  New versions of Quicken will not run on OS/2 or Linux. 
Older Windows 3.1 compatible versions will run on OS/2.  Most Windows
3.1 applications will run on OS/2.  OS/2 will also run Java, DOS, EMX,
and xFree 86 applications.  

4)  OS/2 will work with any non-Winmodem as will Linux.  Usually, this
means ISA modems though there are a few PCI non-Winmodems available. 
SCSI is well supported with OS/2, including scanners.  Parallel-port
scanners will not work with OS/2 unless they come with Windows 3.1
software.  Some USB scanners are supported by OS/2 if you have a
compatible USB chipset from Via or Intel.  All Network cards and
Monitors work with OS/2.

5)  Windows 2000 looks to be an improvement over NT4 but hardware
support and drivers will be VERY weak for at least a year.  Longer, if
it doesn't quickly start replacing Win 9x on the desktop.  It is also a
complete rewrite and is likely to have significant flaws that will take
quite a long time to discover and correct.  I would get NT4 which is
much better supported now, as long as you don't run DOS applications.

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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            15-Oct-99 17:34:00
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: OD - alternatives?

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

The main (and probably only) things I use Object Desktop for are the
enhanced folders and the zip/rar/etc archive utilities. I already use
Xfolder and can therefore do away with the OD enhanced folders. However,
it is the zip/rar/etc archive utilities which I'd miss the most should I
uninstall OD. Are there any decent alternatives to this functionality of
OD where an archive is shown and treated in a similar way to a normal
folder, and files can be dragged and dropped to or from the archive?

Cheers,
Steve


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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          15-Oct-99 17:36:03
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:47:59, sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net> wrote:

:> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
:> well as lesser known applications?
: 
:OS2 will run old WIN 3.1 applications very well, but not
:WIN95 or WIN98 or WINNT aplications.

 Just to be clear, OS/2 v4 supports most Windows 3.x and Win32s up to 
v1.25a apps.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          15-Oct-99 17:37:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:41:26, "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com> wrote:

:if you want to
:install OS/2 on a IDE drive larger than 4.3 GB, you'll need to
:download a patch from IBM ("how" is anyone's guess, considering one
:usually doesn't have an operational PC before installing the OS...). 

 I don't think that's true nowadays. Most folks who're interested in 
OS/2, like the fellow who began this thread, already have at least one
OS installed; and if they do their homework first will have the 
IDEDASD.EXE fix at hand before installing OS/2.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          15-Oct-99 17:37:21
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:44:00, "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote:

:I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
:expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups. 

 When I first installed OS/2 2.1 in early 1994, I had zero, ZERO 
"technical expertise." All I knew was I wanted something better than 
Win 3.x, and OS/2 appeared to be that (and was, with a vengeance).

 Think twice about sticking with Win*. There's no reason you can't 
have two or more OSes installed on your system (assuming you've 
adequate hard disk space), and there's no reason you can't backup your
current data, then reinstall it if you wish.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: franks@owt.com                                    15-Oct-99 08:57:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack_try QF11

From: "frank schmittroth" <franks@owt.com>

It applied FP12 here without problems using csf141.
frank.


On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:23:11 -0500, John Griffin wrote:

>i also liked that program...i just tried to install fp12 with it and csf140
>and it wouldnt take....let me know if you have the same problem....
>
>davisfnospam@union.edu wrote in message
><37ffb448$1$qnivfs$mr2ice@news.logical.net>...
>>In <37FAC186.60B0A46F@my-deja.com>, on 10/06/99
>>   at 03:31 AM, luistino <luistino@my-deja.com> said:
>>
>>
>>>I cannot remember where I downloaded from, probaly hoobes, look for
>>>Qf11.zip
>>
>>There is a small bug in this program which I don't know has been fixed. In
>>the file called install.fil, your archive directory won't be correctly
>>input; you have to modify this file by hand. I believe the newest version
>>also handles fixpak zip files.
>>
>>I got this info from some helpful sources. I used QF last week to install
>>FP11 on my laptop and I'm going to use it to install FP12 soon on my
>>desktop.
>>
>>F.
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------
>>      Felmon John Davis
>>     davisf@union.edu |  davisf@capital.net
>>     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
>>     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
>>     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
>>-----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>



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From: osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi                             15-Oct-99 17:10:01
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: How do I? ESS1688 Sound Card

From: osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi (osmo vuorio)

In article <7u6j4d$8s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, j.welton@mailcity.com says:

>So I'm wondering if anyone has experiened this FP11 or FP12 ESS trap
>problem and if they were able to find a work-around, other than buying

Doesn't even the ibm driver version work?

http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/2632ADD962A12DA3852561B2004F42F4.
html

Osmo

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               15-Oct-99 21:11:05
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OD - alternatives?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Steve Drewell schrieb:
> 
> The main (and probably only) things I use Object Desktop for are the
> enhanced folders and the zip/rar/etc archive utilities. I already use
> Xfolder and can therefore do away with the OD enhanced folders. However,
> it is the zip/rar/etc archive utilities which I'd miss the most should I
> uninstall OD. Are there any decent alternatives to this functionality of
> OD where an archive is shown and treated in a similar way to a normal
> folder, and files can be dragged and dropped to or from the archive?

Hm, there are shareware-programs like RPF Zipcontrol and WarpZip, but
AFAIK they are not as tightly integrated into the WPS as OD's object
archives. On the other hand, why throw away the good things of Object
Desktop? All you need to do is deinstall the Enhanced Folder features by
using the normal install facility or simply deregistering the
TSEnhancedFolder class via XFolder. That's what I've done and it works
great.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     15-Oct-99 18:06:26
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: RMVIEW 

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:50:51, frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank 
McKenney) wrote:

..snip...
> What you're saying seems odd...  and does not match either my
> expectations or my experience.  Would you mind posting the output from
> your RMVIEW /IRQ and the IRQ lines from RMVIEW /D back here so I can see
> what you're talking about?
> 
> From my system:
> 
..snip the details...
> 
> Neither of these listings show my "NE2000 clone" LAN adapter using 
> IOA=0x300 and IRQ10.
> 
> 
> Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
> Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
> E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com
> 

I agree. I have an Intel LAN card, that uses IRQ11. I NEVER see that 
listed anywhere, as being in use. In fact, the only reference I ever 
see about IRQ11, is in the DOS utility, where it is set. It does have 
trouble, if I try to use IRQ11 on anything else, so I know that it is 
there, and being used.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca                           15-Oct-99 19:49:17
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Bones (oskib@hotmail.com) wrote:
: I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
: and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
: have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
: and Linux recently.

: I have a couple of questions:

: 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
: professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
	I have installed Win9x, NT4.0, OS/2 and various Linux
distributions. In my opinion, OS/2 was the fastest and easiest (with
Win9x, I had to muck around and get a proper boot disk to get a CD-ROM
recognized). NT4.0 was the longest and worst install I've tried. But
honestly, if you're really technically minded, none of the installs could
be considered very difficult.
	If you know what you're doing Linux is fairly quick and easy.
However, be warned! To get full functionality like OS/2 or WinXX, you will
need to figure out how to re-compile your kernel to change stuff like
sound card or CDROM support (it's not that hard, but compared to its
competitors, a very needless tedium!)
	With ANY of the OS, I recommend you clear your complete hardware
setup with the appropriate newsgroup first so you know of any pitfalls.


: 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
: drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
: Win98?
: 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
: well as lesser known applications?
	OS/2 will run most Win3.1 and DOS apps, but no pure Win95 apps.
You can run Quicken98 and below and Office 6? and below on OS/2.
	For both Linux and OS/2, do keep in mind that there are other
equivalent (and often better!) applications out there.

: 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
: network cards as easily as Microsoft?
	On OS/2 & Linux, video, monitors and SCSI controllers are
generally not a problem. Parallel port scanners are not supported, AFAIK
on Linux or OS/2. Network card support on OS/2 and Linux are comparable
and pretty good. Winmodems are a problem under anything, NT included.
	Despite what NT advocates will tell you, as far as I can tell,
hardware support for NT is barely above that for OS/2 and Linux. Which is
far behind Win95 of course.

: 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
	How long do you want to wait? :) By all accounts, W2K is better,
so unless you have a pressing need for WinNT, you can probably wait.

I am very biased towards OS/2, having had a chance to use all of
'em. However, I strongly suspect that you will be happiest with NT, if by
this stage you haven't had a chance to dance with the dark side ;)
A nice Linux distro can be had for free or $2 from your local Linux user
group, so it's worth a shot.



Isaac

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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                15-Oct-99 17:22:06
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: share.exe required by Word 6.0

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello Kurt.

07 Oct 99 19:00, Kurt H. Selvig <hofner@gstis.net> wrote to All:

 Kh> I just tried to install Word 6 into Windows 98 and I receive a
 message
 Kh>  stating that share.exe is required.  It worked great in my 95
 Kh> version, and I can't seem to find anywhere to get the file.  I
 have
 Kh> not upgraded anything - this is a new 233 Pentium, 128mb RAM,
 2.4gb
 Kh> hard drive with 8mb VGA video.

You have the wrong news group. This is an OS/2 newsgroup.

Derek


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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                15-Oct-99 17:22:17
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Maximum disk drive size for IDEDASDE "large disk" driver.

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com.

07 Oct 99 21:43, Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com wrote to All:

 TH> On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 07:41:22 GMT, michael wrote:

 ->> I downloaded the IDEDASDE  package for accomodating "large disk
 ->> drives". The IBM website states that this disk driver are for
 disk
 ->> drives larger than 8.4Gb.   What's the maximum size IDE disk
 drive
 ->> that these drivers can handle?   The date modified is July 1999.

 TH> I've never seen a maximum size quoted. How big do you want to
 use?

IBM has just released two large drives, one is 35/7 gigs and a 70 gig
 drive.

I don't think I could afford that last one, but it would interesting
 to see if the new drivers could handle it.


Derek


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From: methanic@dev.null                                 15-Oct-99 19:56:26
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: methanic@dev.null (Andre van Dijk)

Op Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:50:59 -0400 is het volgende aan Jerry McBride
ontsproten:
>In article <38063CAF.9D90DCA0@heaven.com>,
>Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com> wrote:
>>Bones wrote:
>>>
>>> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
>>> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
>>> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
>>> and Linux recently.
>>>
>>> I have a couple of questions:
>>>
>>> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>>> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
>>
>>Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
>>used OS2.
>>
>
>What? Then how can you answer that question honestly? The fact is, I can
>install OS/2 in my sleep (NO, I won't handhold you through an installl...)
>while Linux calls for technical information that make me either drag out the
>spec sheets for various cards or open the case to see what port, irq is being
>used for certain cards I have installed...
>
>Come on... try OS/2... you'll be impressed.

I tried recently, VMware crashed :-). But seriously, OS/2 is getting
less software (Sad!) while Linux is getting more. What about BeOS??

>
>>> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
>>> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
>>> Win98?
>>
>>If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
>>partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.
>>
>
>You'll want to reformat the drive anyways... NT, OS/2, LINUX, SOLARIS or
>anything. It'd be stupid not to...

Or try VMWare...

-- 
Andre van Dijk 
,----------------------------------+-------------+-----------------------.
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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                15-Oct-99 17:42:02
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: startup.cmd

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello Doug.

08 Oct 99 05:30, Doug Fitzpatrick wrote to All:


 DF> My working Warp4 setup is now displaying a startup.cmd window
 when it
 DF> starts up. The window sits in the middle of the desktop. I think
 I
 DF> used to see it flash by, when the desktop was being built, but
 it
 DF> would close itself. Now it doesn't close automatically. Is there
 any
 DF> way to make the window close automatically?

Edit startup.cmd, at the end of the startup.cmd type "exit" on a new
 line, this must be the very last line.


Derek


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From: mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net                    15-Oct-99 15:02:19
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: OS/2 FDISK reports corrupt partition table

From: "Michael Shillingford" <mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net>

Andreas Grosche wrote in message <7u7828$q1$1@penguin.antarctica>...
>delete partitions, however I did find ways to remedy the situation (which
>I had already posted here), like using the cfdisk from Linux to read in
>and re-write the partitition table (whenever I had encountered this
problem,
>after using cfdisk the OS/2 FDISK would accept the partition table again),
>or using DFSee from http://www.fsys.demon.nl which is a more powerful and


Used DFSee, and this fixed the problem. I used this utility using the
commands: fdisk fixext. This changed the extended partition type from type F
(unknown to OS/2) to type 5 (normal extended). I could then run the OS/2
fdisk to delete, then recreate the extended drive E, as well as install
bootmanager at the end of the drive. However, I do notice that it takes
about 30 seconds for the bootmanager to load its partition selection/menu
screen - on my previous system it would load much quicker.


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From: sartory@bellsouth.net                             15-Oct-99 17:19:03
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: Athlon memory recognition

From: sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net>

Thanks to Graham Morris & Ron Vopicka,

I checked the thread of Wolfgang Haas & it was very
interesting.

There is a very recent flash BIOS revision on the FIC
website, but they provide no information whatever about what
problems it is intended to fix. I have never tried to update
a BIOS before & was wary of trying it without specific word
that it would help this problem, but I guess I must grit my
teeth & try it.

Walt

Ron Vopicka wrote:
> 
> Walt,  WofgangHaas@wol.com has reported exactly this same problem in
> os.os2.misc.  He has also tried different sized DIMMs (like 2 64MBs)
> with no difference.
> 
> The general feeling has been that it is the bios, and to contact the
> mfg.
> 
> The only other, non-related problem I haven of interest was when someone
> had some sort of problems with the SD11 (don't remember what) and
> reflashed the bios with bios (supposedly) identical (same version) to
> that shipped on the board... and some of his problems went away!
> 
> Seems like a cheap/easy thing to try.
> 
> Ron
> 
> sartory wrote:
> >
> > I have a newly-assempled computer using an AMD Athlon
> > processor & an SD11 motherboard from FIC. One DIMM of 128 MB
> > is installed & is recognized by other OSes. In the default
> > installation, Warp4 recognizes 64MB. There is an option in
> > the BIOS Setup for "Boot RAM>64 M for OS/2", however when
> > this option is turned on, Warp4 recognizes only about 16 MB
> > RAM. There is little documentation.
> >
> > Has anyone else encountered this problem? It appears to be a
> > bug in the motherboard or BIOS, but I'm not sure whether it
> > is a specific defect in MY board or a design problem in all
> > boards. I have not seen any mention of it on the FIC website
> > or the AMI website. (The BIOS is AMI.)
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Walt

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From: mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net                    15-Oct-99 15:12:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: drivers for rockwell pci modem available?

From: "Michael Shillingford" <mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net>

Are there any OS/2 drivers for PCI modems? I have a Rockwell HCF 56K Data
Fax RTAD PCI modem.


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