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From: j.p.besamusca@students.nospam.wa...               09-Oct-99 02:15:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Re: IOMEGA 250MB ZIP drives

Message sender: j.p.besamusca@students.nospam.warande.uu.nl

From: "Hans Besamusca" <j.p.besamusca@students.nospam.warande.uu.nl>

On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:18:47 GMT, Mark Klebanoff wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:06:02, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John 
>Poltorak) wrote:
>
>> Do IOMEGA 250MB drives work OK with OS/2?
>> 
>No
Well, times they are a changing.
Look at
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/removabl/iomega/index.htm

good luck
Hans



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From: beetle@REMOVE.THIS.TO.REPLY.swip...               09-Oct-99 10:43:15
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:26:29
Subj: Troubles with Tekram 390U2W in OS/2

Message sender: beetle@REMOVE.THIS.TO.REPLY.swipnet.se

From: beetle@REMOVE.THIS.TO.REPLY.swipnet.se (Lennart Carlson)

Hi out there,

I recently bought an Tekram 390U2W as a replacement for my ASUS SC875 and
I'm having a hard time to get it to work properly.

I tried the easy way and replaced the SYM8XX.ADD with the TMSCSIW.ADD that
came with the card and couldn't even boot.

At the moment I'm using the same drivers as on the rescuedisk, just to get
my system going.

If anyone has a working setup with this card, I would appreciate to find
out how the CONFIG.SYS looks.

/Lennart

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     09-Oct-99 12:58:04
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:01
Subj: Re: Mixing Tekram and Symbios?

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 01:03:25 -0400, gbooth@rockisland.com wrote:

->I've installed a Symbios Sym8951U Ultra2 SCSI card in my computer, and now
->want to add another card for a cd and tape drive.  I ordered a Tekram
->DC310 card because it has a Symbios53c810 chipset which I figured had a
->high possibility of compatablitiy.
->
->Instead they sent a Tekram CD315U which has Tekram's own chipset.  Does
->anybody see any problems I my have with these two cards co-exisiting? 

I'd send the 315 back. A friend had one and couldn't get it to work even
in that other operating system...


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                09-Oct-99 05:25:12
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: HELP: chkdsk.com hangs

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca    (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <7tks9t$nbk$1@Tropolix.UQSS.UQuebec.CA>, "Royston Paynter"
<paynter@inrs-ener.uquebec.ca> writes:
>I have installed DOS 6.2, Windows 3.1 and OS/2 Warp 3.0 on a (reformatted)
>hard drive previously used for Win 98. chkdsk.com hangs every time I run it.
>My concern is that following a power cut, I will not be able to reboot. Is
>there an update for chkdsk.com that solves this problem?
>
>Please reply directly to paynter@inrs-ener.uquebec.ca
>
>Thanks

   Are you running HPFS?  If so, what may be the matter is that
the CHKDSK files, including UHPFS.DLL are not all the same
level, and so, yes, there is an updated CHKDSK to help you out, 
but it would be included or superseded with the newer fix packs:
 IBM OS/2 CHKDSK README
 Service Fix V1.0 (May 2, 1997)

http://www.reliablecomputer.com/syspatch.html

ftp://p390.ibm.com/p390/os2/chkdsk.zip


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                09-Oct-99 05:26:13
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: FDISK /NEWMBR ??

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca    (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <bnrL3.8752$eM4.594132@typ11.nn.bcandid.com>, terran fallen
<fallen@vol.com> writes:
>

[D:\]fdisk /newmbr
The new MBR has successfully been written.


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: gbooth@rockisland.com                             09-Oct-99 01:03:12
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Mixing Tekram and Symbios?

From: gbooth@rockisland.com

I've installed a Symbios Sym8951U Ultra2 SCSI card in my computer, and now
want to add another card for a cd and tape drive.  I ordered a Tekram
DC310 card because it has a Symbios53c810 chipset which I figured had a
high possibility of compatablitiy.

Instead they sent a Tekram CD315U which has Tekram's own chipset.  Does
anybody see any problems I my have with these two cards co-exisiting? -- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
gbooth@rockisland.com
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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     09-Oct-99 08:13:24
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

In <37fde322$1$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>, on 10/08/99 
   at 04:12 PM, "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> said:

I have noticed that once accessed under OS/2, my SCSI-CD driver doesn't
shut off until I either eject the CD-ROM or reboot the machine.  A 40x
creates just enough vibration with the out-of-blance devcon cd's to make
the outer case hum.

Roland

>Anyone else noticed this? After applying FP12 to my Warp 4 machine I am
>getting very strange sounds from my HDD. At the very end of boot
>sequence, just after the screen is cleared from drivers' boot messages
>and before the blue PM color appears - my hard disk now makes a long
>harsh ar-r-r-r sound like its heads are trying to go past the disk
>surface :-). The sound lasts for 5-6 sec, boot then proceeds normally and
>everything works fine, but I'm really scared to reboot my machine now, I
>am not sure how long my HDD will survive this kind of "surface testing".
>Needless to say, I've run checkdisk and GTU disk checker several times
>with no errors of any kind reported.

>The system is AMD K6-266, ASUS P55T2P4 mobo with 128M RAM, Tekram DC-390F
>UW SCSI adapter and WD 3.4G UW SCSI attached (it also has second EIDE WD
>3.6G disk, used for storage only). Device drivers are left at FP10 level,
>e.g. I did not apply DD Fixpack. Other hardware includes ESS1868 sound
>card, two NICs (Realtek 8029 and DEC 41021 chipsets) and Matrox Millenium
>I PCI video. The only device driver that was upgraded simultaneously with
>applying FP12 is Matrox one, now at v.2.31.100.

>Cheers,
>Ivan


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From: N.H.Carter@bris.ac.uk                             09-Oct-99 13:03:01
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: Hard drive wont play games. Help.

From: "Nick Carter" <N.H.Carter@bris.ac.uk>

Games CDs are protected from piracy in a way which prevents you from running
them from HD. If they are older DOS games, you can use a CD-faker program
like 0CD.com or FakeCD.com to emulate the CDrom, but these do not work in
Win95. There may be CD emulators for Win95 but I haven`t seen any.
Mark <mark@premark.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7tcrvd$vj9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hi
> I have 3 hard drives I am using on a computer with
> Windows 95. But this computer does not have a
> CD Rom drive and I would like to reconfigure one of
> the drives to make the computer think that the drive
> is a CD Rom drive so that I can play the games I have
> installed on it.
>
> The problem is I have copied games to my Windows 95
> pc from the CD Rom drive on my Windows 98 pc. The
> games are copied to the hard drive (all of the files on the
> cd are copied) and are successfully installed, but when
> I initialize the game and press 'play' I get an error message
> telling me that the CD cant be found, even though all of the
> necessary files are there on the hard drive.
>
> Maybe Im doing it all wrong. Can a hard drive be used in
> place of a CD Rom drive in this way? I would appreciate
> any advise. Thank you.
> MARK.
>
>


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From: bdavis@fn.net                                     09-Oct-99 14:57:13
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: Mixing Tekram and Symbios?

From: bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 05:03:25, gbooth@rockisland.com wrote:

> I've installed a Symbios Sym8951U Ultra2 SCSI card in my computer, and now
> want to add another card for a cd and tape drive.  I ordered a Tekram
> DC310 card because it has a Symbios53c810 chipset which I figured had a
> high possibility of compatablitiy.
> 
> Instead they sent a Tekram CD315U which has Tekram's own chipset.  Does
> anybody see any problems I my have with these two cards co-exisiting? -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> gbooth@rockisland.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

I have a Mylex BT-958(Buslogic) and a Tekram DC-315U
working together without problems. Of course the standard
disclaimer always exists---your mileage may vary.
Good luck.

Brian Davis (bdavis@fn.net)

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From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net                              09-Oct-99 22:13:14
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: Adding second SCSI card

From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net (Harald Portig)

My impression is that SCSI devices can be daisy-chained off a single 
connection on the SCSI card, up to seven devices deep.  Assuming this 
is true, you would not have to add an extra card.

As an example, I have a Tekram DC-390F.  It has three connectors of 
which, according to the manual, any two can be used at one time for up
to fifteen SCSI devices.  However I am using it with only one device, 
so I can't speak from first-hand experience, and your card may have 
other constraints.

Harald Portig

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:56:52, engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston) 
wrote:

> I may need to add an external SCSI Zip drive and scanner 
> to the system, which will mean an extra SCSI card.

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From: nospamless@home.com                               09-Oct-99 23:34:20
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: Mixing Tekram and Symbios?

From: "ùgÏH" <nospamless@home.com>

In <37fecd77$2$tobbgu$mr2ice@corp.supernews.com>, on 10/09/99 
   at 01:03 AM, gbooth@rockisland.com said:

>I've installed a Symbios Sym8951U Ultra2 SCSI card in my computer, and now
>want to add another card for a cd and tape drive.  I ordered a Tekram DC310
>card because it has a Symbios53c810 chipset which I figured had a high
>possibility of compatablitiy.

>Instead they sent a Tekram CD315U which has Tekram's own chipset.  Does
>anybody see any problems I my have with these two cards co-exisiting? -- 

Install it and see... :)

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From: stjen@prodigy.net                                 10-Oct-99 01:02:20
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:19
Subj: Trouble reinstalling Warp4

From: Scott Tietjen <stjen@prodigy.net>

I picked up a leftover Pentium133 from work, and I'm trying to install
OS/2 Warp 4 on it.  I added a 6.8GB harddrive to it.  Therefore, I
needed the IDEDASD updates applied to Install Disk 1 to make it load
properly -- I loaded the version from the last (July99) WarpUP! disk
from IB.  Slight complication -- I've got a SIIG SCSI card installed in
the box too.  Following its directions, I put the sigscsi.add driver
onto disk 1 and added it to the config.sys.  The problem is that I can't
fit that driver on the diskette, as there's not enough room left after
adding IDEDASD.  

Following the suggestion in the ReadMe.Ins file on Disk 1, I deleted
IBM2SCSI.ADD and IBM2ADSK.ADD, and rem'd out their lines in the
Config.Sys there.  Therefore I had enough space to put the SIGSCSI.ADD
file on the disk and add it to the config.sys.

Now, I can bring up and do the initial Warp install on the new large
drive.  However, because the Config.Sys has the COPYFROMFLOPPY setting,
when it wants to grab from disk 1, it uses my updated floppy.  Guess
what?  The installer wants to copy the IBM2SCSI.ADD and IBM2ADSK.ADD
files, and won't continue because it doesn't find them on the floppy. 
But, if I remove the copyfromfloppy, then the updated IBM1S506 and
related drivers from IDEDASD won't get loaded, and I won't be able to
talk to my larger harddrive.  I can't even remove the Readme.Ins file --
the installer looks for it too from the disk.  

So, I'm caught between a rock and a hard place.  I can't remove the
files IBM suggested from the diskette to put the necessary driver,
because then the install fails looking for those deleted files.

I deleted the sigscsi.add driver and rem'd its line again.  The install
completed, and tried to reboot.  However, then it fails trying to load
Line 5 (which is for PMSHELL.EXE) of config.sys, because it can't find a
file SEAMLESS.  Has anyone seen this problem?  Your assistance is
appreciated.

	-- Scott Tietjen, stjen@acm.org

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           10-Oct-99 05:40:01
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:19
Subj: Re: Troubles with Tekram 390U2W in OS/2

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:43:31, beetle@REMOVE.THIS.TO.REPLY.swipnet.se 
(Lennart Carlson) wrote:

> Hi out there,
> 
> I recently bought an Tekram 390U2W as a replacement for my ASUS SC875 and
> I'm having a hard time to get it to work properly.
> 
> I tried the easy way and replaced the SYM8XX.ADD with the TMSCSIW.ADD that
> came with the card and couldn't even boot.
> 
> At the moment I'm using the same drivers as on the rescuedisk, just to get
> my system going.
> 
> If anyone has a working setup with this card, I would appreciate to find
> out how the CONFIG.SYS looks.
> 
> /Lennart

You may have to use the BIOS update utility that comes with
the Tekram card software that allows you to remove the
NCR BIOS from the system BIOS code.

On motherboards that have a built in NCR BIOS (ASUS is one
of these) the NCR BIOS will recognize the Tekram card as
an NCR card, load the NCR SCSI BIOS and keep the
card from working.

There is a section in the DC-390 manual on how to fo this.

I had to do it for the machine I have with an ASUS motherboard.

The MB BIOS settings screens may also have an option
for disabling the NCR BIOS, if there is one use that rather
than updating the actual BIOS code.

Lorne Sunley


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From: as@sci.fi                                         09-Oct-99 21:48:28
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 05:08:22
Subj: Re: Trying to install OS/2 Warp 4 with updated IDE drivers !!!

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

"Gregory L. Marx" <skidmarx@att.net> writes:

> I've done this and I STILL can't get Warp to see the NEW 13gig drive.
> 
> It's weird:
> 
> ~ Boot with the install disk ...
> ~ Replace with Disk One when prompted ...
> ~ After a few seconds the floppy drive flips out making a strange
> noise.  Like it's constantly being hit with a data access request. But
> it still prompts for the second disk ...

Well, maybe there's something wrong with your floppy? Try another?
 
-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: bengjoha@online.no                                04-Oct-99 12:23:13
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: 2GB Jazz drive

From: Bengt Johansen <bengjoha@online.no>


"Charles H. Strom" wrote:
> 
> My 2GB Jazz drive works fine under Win9x and NT. Under OS/2, it will only
> work with 2Gb cartridges. Any ideas please?

I have a 2Gb Jaz (SCSI) attached to an Adaptec AHA-2940UW, and it works
just
fine for me with both 1Gb and 2Gb disks.. when i got the Jaz the OS/2
was at 
updated with FixPak 8, (now at FP 12). and I've upgraded the bios on the
SCSI
controller too.

I have a problem, somwhere in between OS/2 FP11 and Win95 the system
crashed
and the 2GB TOOLS disk is trashed... and the TOOLS download from IOMEGA
seems
to work only with 1Gb Disks (AND will only install when the TOOLS disk
is in the
drive)

If some kind person out there, kould zip the contents of the tools disk
and 
mail it to me... Pleeeeeeeeeeees!?!


-- 
Regards
	Bengt...

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     10-Oct-99 11:53:29
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: Trouble reinstalling Warp4

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:02:41 -0400, Scott Tietjen wrote:

->I can bring up and do the initial Warp install on the new large
->drive.  However, because the Config.Sys has the COPYFROMFLOPPY setting,
->when it wants to grab from disk 1, it uses my updated floppy.  Guess
->what?  The installer wants to copy the IBM2SCSI.ADD and IBM2ADSK.ADD
->files, and won't continue because it doesn't find them on the floppy. 

From a command prompt do

ECHO REM >a:\IBM2SCSI.ADD
ECHO REM >A:\IBM2ADSK.ADD

(and any other files you may have deleted). 


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: jdparker@erols.com                                10-Oct-99 12:25:14
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Trouble reinstalling Warp4

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Trevor Hemsley wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:02:41 -0400, Scott Tietjen wrote:
>
> ->I can bring up and do the initial Warp install on the new large
> ->drive.  However, because the Config.Sys has the COPYFROMFLOPPY setting,
> ->when it wants to grab from disk 1, it uses my updated floppy.  Guess
> ->what?  The installer wants to copy the IBM2SCSI.ADD and IBM2ADSK.ADD
> ->files, and won't continue because it doesn't find them on the floppy.
>
> From a command prompt do
>
> ECHO REM >a:\IBM2SCSI.ADD
> ECHO REM >A:\IBM2ADSK.ADD
>
> (and any other files you may have deleted).
>
> Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
> (Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)

Perhaps demonstrating my profound grasp of the obvious, I might add that you
want disk 1 in your floppy drive when you do this.

Scott, if you haven't figured it out, what this does for you is put two very
small files on disk 1 that have the names that the installer is looking for.
The installer doesn't care how big they are. Later, if it turns out you need
the real ones, you can replace them.

Jim


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From: jdparker@erols.com                                10-Oct-99 13:07:22
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Jim Parker wrote:

> I've got a new computer (AMD 450 Mhz) that came with Win98 preinstalled.
> I used a combination of Partition Magic 3.0x and fdisk to resize the
> Win98 FAT32 partition and create addtitional partitions for data, OS/2,
> DOS and Boot Manager. I've also installed an additional hard drive.
>
> What I'm finding is that frequently when I run chkdsk, it finds a lot of
> lost extended artibutes. On one partition, one chkdsk /f run created
> over 400 ea*.chk files. The only thing I've noticed concerning the
> operation of the system is that a pair of objects on my OS/2 desktop
> "lost" their icons. They were both shadows of rexx scripts that invoke
> the InJoy dialer. I had assigned them the icons associated with the
> InJoy exe but after a couple of days they reverted to OS/2 System Editor
> icons. Easy to fix but annoying. I also noticed that in Win98 an MS-DOS
> window object on a tool bar mysteriously became an MS-DOS full screen
> object and one of my dialup connection objects "forgot" that it was
> supposed to bring up a terminal window after making the connection.
>
> Anyway, I'm completely at a loss as to what to do about this or even how
> serious a problem it is. If I have faulty equipment (hard drive,
> controller, whatever), is there some diagnostic that can be run to
> isolate the failing component? Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Jim

I appreciate all the suggestions offered to date on this problem.

I've tried a couple of the suggestions offered, yet the loss of extended
attributes continues. This is what I've done:
1. stopped all overt accesses to any files on my OS/2 boot partitions while
running under Windows 98
2. gone into the Windows 98 Maintenance wizard and turned off any automatic
maintenance that I could from there.

Still after doing these I saw this small window pop up while running under
Windows 98 saying that it was doing something for me so that my programs
would run faster. It came and went so quickly I can't really tell you any
more about it.

My next step is to do the things that Michael suggested and go into the
Schedule Task as suggested by Graham and see what is there. But this won't
be for a few days. I'm going cold turkey. I haven't booted up Windows 98 for
3 days and I intend to go for a week just to really convince myself that it
is something in Windows 98 that's doing it rather than some flakey hardware.
So far no lost attributes since my last use of Windows 98. I'd really like
to persue this investigation because most of us don't really have much
choice: we need Windows 9x. Although Windows 95 never gave me a problem,
Windows 98 has. My objective to understand it (know thy enemy) well enough
so that I can control it.

What I am alos curious about is understanding what I've lost by losing these
extended attributes. I know, for example that I've lost icons. Looking at
folders using icon view does not look normal. What else won't work properly
as a result of this? What is my best recovery option? Reinstall?

Also, I lost the icon for e.exe. I restored it by copying the file from an
archive. However, some files seem to have icons that are not really part of
their EAs but are somehow related to their file extension. For example the
icons of text files (*.txt)  are different when viewed from Warp 4 as
opposed to Warp 3. It appears to me that something has been lost in my Warp
4 partition that hasn't yet been lost in my Warp 3. Thus there must be some
extended attribute that isn't directly connected to any particular file but
is rather connected to all files of a particular extension. Restoring a text
file from an archive will probably not restore its icon when viewed from
Warp 4. Something else has to be restored. What? How does this type of
iconization work? What other kinds of things are maintained in Extended
Attributes not directly associated with a particular file?

Thanks
Jim

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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                10-Oct-99 18:27:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:13:28, Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Doug Bissett wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:07:59, Robert Dohrenburg
> > <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
> > > controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
> > > works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.
> > >
[snip]
> > 
> > Are you sure you got that right??? It is known that a SLAVE, without a
> > MASTER, will sometimes work with older OS/2 IDE drivers, and with
> > windows systems, but it will NOT work (it should NEVER work, under any
> > circumstances) with the later OS/2 IDE driver.
> > 
> > The basic rule (for each controller), is that if a controller has a
> > single device attached, it MUST be a MASTER. If there is a second
> > device attached, it MUST be a SLAVE. If your device won't work, as a
> > single device on the interface, as a MASTER, then it is breaking the
> > rules, especially, if it does work as a SLAVE, without a MASTER.
> 
> Just an update on my reply.
> 
> This is what I get from rmview:
> 
> /START
[snip]
> 
>     Adapter: IDE_1 ST506/IDE Controller
>     Device Type: MS-IDE         Bus/Width: PCI 16 BIT
>     IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
>     I/O = 0X0170  Len =   8  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
>     I/O = 0X0376  Len =   1  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
> 
>       Device: HD_0 Hard Drive   FIXED  DISK
> 
>       Device: ATAPI_0 IDE CDROM Drive   FIXED  CDROM
> 
[snip]
> 
> /END
> 
> I dont have a secondary master, so why is rmview reporting a "Hard
> Drive"?

IBM1S506 has /FORCE and /GEO() parms which it automatically uses if
there isn't a master on the adapter.  It sets up a "drive" whose
CHS geometry is 0,0,0 (presumably to comply with the "rules").

I used to have a tired old 2x CD attached to my tired old 486-PCI
mb that took IBM1S506 several minutes to find until I made it the
secondary slave with no secondary master.  Thereafter, it took about
30 seconds to find.  Using the /!R (noreset) parm for the controller
and /ATAPI for the device may have helped also.  It worked/I was happy.


   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

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From: stjen@prodigy.net                                 10-Oct-99 20:25:24
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: Trouble reinstalling Warp4

From: Scott Tietjen <stjen@prodigy.net>

Yes, I did understand the implications of what Trevor said -- just put a
minimal size garbage file onto the diskette so that the installer has
something to look for and copy even though it won't do anything with
it.  Good solution -- I wish I had thought of it myself, but I'll settle
for learning something from you fine people.  Thanks muchly.
	-- Scott Tietjen


Jim Parker wrote:
> 
> Trevor Hemsley wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:02:41 -0400, Scott Tietjen wrote:
> >
> > ->I can bring up and do the initial Warp install on the new large
> > ->drive.  However, because the Config.Sys has the COPYFROMFLOPPY setting,
> > ->when it wants to grab from disk 1, it uses my updated floppy.  Guess
> > ->what?  The installer wants to copy the IBM2SCSI.ADD and IBM2ADSK.ADD
> > ->files, and won't continue because it doesn't find them on the floppy.
> >
> > From a command prompt do
> >
> > ECHO REM >a:\IBM2SCSI.ADD
> > ECHO REM >A:\IBM2ADSK.ADD
> >
> > (and any other files you may have deleted).
> >
> > Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
> > (Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)
> 
> Perhaps demonstrating my profound grasp of the obvious, I might add that you
> want disk 1 in your floppy drive when you do this.
> 
> Scott, if you haven't figured it out, what this does for you is put two very
> small files on disk 1 that have the names that the installer is looking for.
> The installer doesn't care how big they are. Later, if it turns out you need
> the real ones, you can replace them.
> 
> Jim

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           11-Oct-99 00:44:13
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:04
Subj: Re: Trouble reinstalling Warp4

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <38012E8D.32AC9E29@prodigy.net>, on 10/10/99 at 08:25 PM,
   Scott Tietjen <stjen@prodigy.net> said:

> Yes, I did understand the implications of what Trevor said -- just put a
> minimal size garbage file onto the diskette so that the installer has
> something to look for and copy even though it won't do anything with it. 
> Good solution -- I wish I had thought of it myself, but I'll settle for
> learning something from you fine people.  Thanks muchly.
> 	-- Scott Tietjen

If you delete any hardware related items from the floppy such as unneeded
AIC*.add files, you must also delete them from snoop.lst That should avoid
the problems you are experiencing.


--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Oct-99 10:48:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:04
Subj: Re: Re-partitioning & FS's Was Re: HPFS386 big problem

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:37:39, Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net> a Úcrit dans un
message:

> >
> > I still strongly recommend System Commander Deluxe for boot management. It
> > *also* offers some ability to resize partitions, though I haven't tested
it
> > on such HD sizes.
> 
> Thanks for that tip - I assume this is commercial/registerable
> shareware?
> Any chance of a pointer where I may obtain a demo to confirm it will
> work in my scenario?
> (sorry I'm lazy as I assume BMT or IB will probably source it?).

Not that I've seen. It's a shrinkwrap commercial product that's been 
around, and upgraded substantially, over a long time. The "V-Com" company 
website is:

	http://www.v-com.com/


> 
> I'm only fiddling with W98/FAT32 on someone elses behalf (I will keep it
> to FAT16 when it goes on my m/c at a later date<g>), so I'd rather not
> upgrade PM to v4 just for this one-off although I beginning to suspect
> this is the only alternative with his current FS/DASD size?

Partition Magic v.3.05 handles FAT32 okay on my hard drives, but someone 
suggested there's a size limitation that requires v.4.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           11-Oct-99 12:09:04
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:04
Subj: Re: Adding second SCSI card

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

Harald Portig (pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net) wrote:
: My impression is that SCSI devices can be daisy-chained off a single 
: connection on the SCSI card, up to seven devices deep.  Assuming this 
: is true, you would not have to add an extra card.

: As an example, I have a Tekram DC-390F.  It has three connectors of 
: which, according to the manual, any two can be used at one time for up
: to fifteen SCSI devices.  However I am using it with only one device, 
: so I can't speak from first-hand experience, and your card may have 
: other constraints.

The problem is that my card, like yours, allows me to use two of three
connectors. I have already used the "big" internal connector (main HD)
and the "little" internal connector (backup HD and CD-R) so I can't
now add a Zip drive and scanner to the external connector.

Ian

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From: dmcw@cyburban.com                                 11-Oct-99 13:23:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: OS/2 disk crash and data recovery

From: David M <dmcw@cyburban.com>

We run OS/2 supporting a P390 mainframe.
We had a drive crash and now OS/2 reports the drive which had 20 gig of
space as empty!
This is after a CHKDSK /f
Are there any data recovery companies that can salvage the data, or any
utilities that can do what CHKDSK could not do?

Please copy reply to private email deleting 'w' from the email address
to reply. Thanks.

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From: Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com                         11-Oct-99 13:57:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Trying to install OS/2 Warp 4 with updated IDE drivers !!!

From: Tony Saucedo <Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com>

Gregory L. Marx wrote:
> 
> Help !!!
> 
> I've done this and I STILL can't get Warp to see the NEW 13gig drive.
> 
> It's weird:
> 
> ~ Boot with the install disk ...
> ~ Replace with Disk One when prompted ...
> ~ After a few seconds the floppy drive flips out making a strange
> noise.  Like it's constantly being hit with a data access request. But
> it still prompts for the second disk ...
> ~ As soon as I press enter on the second disk a constant stream of text
> paints up the screen until it finally stops with a error message of
> "OS/2 is unable to operate your hard disk or your floppy disk ..."
> 
> The really strange thing is I can boot with the ORIGINAL floppy disks
> and it follows thru as expected. Of course, the drive parameters are all
> wrong when I manually run FDISK so I can't add a bootmanager partition.
> It's a 13gig Maxtor drive.  But because it does boot up and ask for the
> cdrom I figure it must be the ide driver that is causing the problem.
> 
> I've tried the /w switch to no affect ...
> I'm at a loss on what to do next :=(
> 
> Config as follows:
> 
> FIC VA-503+ motherboard w/AMD K62-400 cpu and 64 megs SIMM memory.
> Drive setup:
> Master 1 ~ 13gig Maxtor set with 4gig NT boot NTFS primary partition.
> 8gig NTFS extended partition. 10meg free for OS/2 BM.
> Second 1 ~ 2gig unpartitioned Seagate I want to install Warp onto.
> Master 2 ~ Memorex CD-RW IDE drive
> Second 2 ~ 2.5gig HPFS Fujitsu drive - single partition.
> 
> Any ideas, please email ...
> 
> Gregory L. Marx
> skidmarx@att.net

 Yeah, your floppy disk light blinks continuously with the
clicking.
I have experienced this before, I believe the mixture of the
version had something to do with. 

What is the date on IBM1S506.ADD, OS2DASD.DMD,OS2CDROM.DMD
and IBMIDECD.FLT?

-- 
                                      Tony,

******************************************************
  Tony Saucedo
  EAGLE Traffic Control Systems
  Austin, Texas

******************************************************

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     11-Oct-99 20:20:22
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Re-partitioning & FS's Was Re: HPFS386 big problem

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:48:18 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

->Partition Magic v.3.05 handles FAT32 okay on my hard drives, but someone 
->suggested there's a size limitation that requires v.4.

I think the only time there's a size limitation on PQM V3 is when you use
the DOS version. If you use the OS/2 version and you have OS/2 drivers for
the hardware that allow you to see the whole disk then it works whatever
size of disk you have.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: skidmarx@att.net                                  11-Oct-99 23:03:14
  To: Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com                         12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: Trying to install OS/2 Warp 4 with updated IDE drivers !!!

To: Tony Saucedo <Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com>
From: "Gregory L. Marx" <skidmarx@att.net>


Tony Saucedo wrote:
> 
> Gregory L. Marx wrote:
> >
> > Help !!!
> >
> > I've done this and I STILL can't get Warp to see the NEW 13gig drive.
> >
> > It's weird:
> >
> > ~ Boot with the install disk ...
> > ~ Replace with Disk One when prompted ...
> > ~ After a few seconds the floppy drive flips out making a strange
> > noise.  Like it's constantly being hit with a data access request. But
> > it still prompts for the second disk ...
> > ~ As soon as I press enter on the second disk a constant stream of text
> > paints up the screen until it finally stops with a error message of
> > "OS/2 is unable to operate your hard disk or your floppy disk ..."
> >
> > The really strange thing is I can boot with the ORIGINAL floppy disks
> > and it follows thru as expected. Of course, the drive parameters are all
> > wrong when I manually run FDISK so I can't add a bootmanager partition.
> > It's a 13gig Maxtor drive.  But because it does boot up and ask for the
> > cdrom I figure it must be the ide driver that is causing the problem.
> >

< snip >

> 
>  Yeah, your floppy disk light blinks continuously with the
> clicking.
> I have experienced this before, I believe the mixture of the
> version had something to do with.
> 
> What is the date on IBM1S506.ADD, OS2DASD.DMD,OS2CDROM.DMD
> and IBMIDECD.FLT?
> 
> --
>                                       Tony,
> 
>

Tony,

It's the latest IDE package from IBM's Device Driver Site ...

June 6, 1999 is the date listed for the respective files ...

thanks,
Gregory L. Marx
skidmarx@att.net

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 11-Oct-99 21:51:23
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: OS/2 disk crash and data recovery

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

[Posted and e-mailed]

Here in comp.os.os2.setup.storage, David M <dmcw@cyburban.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>We run OS/2 supporting a P390 mainframe.
>We had a drive crash and now OS/2 reports the drive which had 20 gig
>of space as empty!

Ouch!!  :-(

>This is after a CHKDSK /f
>Are there any data recovery companies that can salvage the data, or any
>utilities that can do what CHKDSK could not do?

The standard OS/2 CHKDSK has some options which will attempt to perform
a more complete recovery than the standard /F option.  Be very careful,
though, because you might only get one shot at it.

From the OS/2 Command Reference:

"CHKDSK Command:  /F:n Parameter

 Specifies a recovery level n.  If no number is specified, CHKDSK assumes
 recovery level 2.

 The recovery levels are as follows:

       /F:0      Specifies that CHKDSK is to analyze the file system,
                 display information about its state, but not perform any
                 repairs.

       /F:1      Specifies that CHKDSK is to resolve inconsistent file
                 system structures.

       /F:2      Specifies that CHKDSK is to resolve inconsistent file
                 system structures and also scan disk space that is in use
                 but not referred to by the file system. If recognizable
                 file or directory structures are found, CHKDSK recovers
                 them.

       /F:3      Includes all level 2 recovery and also specifies CHKDSK is
                 to scan the entire disk partition for recognizable file
                 system structures.

                 Note:    If you did not use the /L parameter when
                 formatting the drive, /F:3 may attempt to recover files
                 that existed before the drive was formatted."

Maybe others here can add some comments relating to the above, since
I've never used any of them.  Precautions, idiosyncrasies, etc.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                            And so it goes...

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              11-Oct-99 20:13:19
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: OS/2 disk crash and data recovery

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

You could try Ontrack at www.ontrack.com. I've not used them for this,
but they've been around a long time.

Graham.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              11-Oct-99 20:14:22
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: Re-partitioning & FS's Was Re: HPFS386 big problem

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

PQM V3 is limited to 8G no matter how you run it. This was why I was
forced to degrade to V4 and use it from DOS. Yuck.

Graham.

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From: billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net                12-Oct-99 03:21:02
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: "Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:12:04 +0400, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

:>Anyone else noticed this? After applying FP12 to my Warp 4 machine I am
:>getting very strange sounds from my HDD. At the very end of boot
:>sequence, just after the screen is cleared from drivers' boot messages
:>and before the blue PM color appears - my hard disk now makes a long
:>harsh ar-r-r-r sound like its heads are trying to go past the disk
:>surface :-). The sound lasts for 5-6 sec, boot then proceeds normally
:>and everything works fine, but I'm really scared to reboot my machine
:>now, I am not sure how long my HDD will survive this kind of "surface
:>testing". Needless to say, I've run checkdisk and GTU disk checker
:>several times with no errors of any kind reported.
:>
:>The system is AMD K6-266, ASUS P55T2P4 mobo with 128M RAM, Tekram
:>DC-390F UW SCSI adapter and WD 3.4G UW SCSI attached (it also has second
:>EIDE WD 3.6G disk, used for storage only). Device drivers are left at
:>FP10 level, e.g. I did not apply DD Fixpack. Other hardware includes
:>ESS1868 sound card, two NICs (Realtek 8029 and DEC 41021 chipsets) and
:>Matrox Millenium I PCI video. The only device driver that was upgraded
:>simultaneously with applying FP12 is Matrox one, now at v.2.31.100.
:>
:>Cheers,
:>Ivan
:>
:>-- 
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
:>-----------------------------------------------------------
:>
I would say it's highly unlikey that the video drivers affected the way the
hard drive is being accessed.  However, I've seen weirder things happen with
video drivers.

I have a G400 running the same drivers, and I don't have the problem.

Bill
Bill
Team OS/2

-----

OS/2 - If you want "productivity" to be more than a few
four-letter words.



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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     12-Oct-99 14:49:26
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 disk crash and data recovery

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

In <3802265F.30F4@cyburban.com>, David M <dmcw@cyburban.com> writes:
>We run OS/2 supporting a P390 mainframe.
>We had a drive crash and now OS/2 reports the drive which had 20 gig of
>space as empty!
>This is after a CHKDSK /f
>Are there any data recovery companies that can salvage the data, or any
>utilities that can do what CHKDSK could not do?

David,

Is this 20Gb drive your boot drive?  Is it an IDE drive?

If it is, and if, as a result of the drive failure, you're booting OS/2 
from floppies, you might not be booting with a version of IBM1S506 that 
can handle your drive, or you might be missing some other critical 
driver which was present in your HD partition.

Hope this helps...


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: dmcw@cyburban.com                                 12-Oct-99 12:24:03
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: OS/2 disk crash and data recovery

From: David M <dmcw@cyburban.com>

Frank McKenney wrote:
> 
> In <3802265F.30F4@cyburban.com>, David M <dmcw@cyburban.com> writes:
> >We run OS/2 supporting a P390 mainframe.
> >We had a drive crash and now OS/2 reports the drive which had 20 gig of
> >space as empty!
> >This is after a CHKDSK /f
> >Are there any data recovery companies that can salvage the data, or any
> >utilities that can do what CHKDSK could not do?
> 
> David,
> 
> Is this 20Gb drive your boot drive?  Is it an IDE drive?
> 
No, it was drive F: But after running CHKDSK on this we also had the
"Drive D: is dirty, run CHKDSK /F to recover" message for drive D:
The boot drive appears to be C: which seems ok (passes CHKDSK).
OS/2 appears to be in a subdirectory of the C: drive.

Am I right in thinking that with RAID 5, drive F: actually spans several
physical disk drives? When CHKDSK ran (for 24 hrs!) the drive lights on
six physical drives flickered. We actually have 24 disk drives on our
machine.

Remove 'w' from email address to reply.
- David


> If it is, and if, as a result of the drive failure, you're booting OS/2
> from floppies, you might not be booting with a version of IBM1S506 that
> can handle your drive, or you might be missing some other critical
> driver which was present in your HD partition.
> 

- David

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From: Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com                         12-Oct-99 13:59:24
  To: skidmarx@att.net                                  12-Oct-99 23:18:17
Subj: Re: Trying to install OS/2 Warp 4 with updated IDE drivers !!!

To: "Gregory L. Marx" <skidmarx@att.net>
From: Tony Saucedo <Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com>

Gregory L. Marx wrote:
> 
> Tony Saucedo wrote:
> >
> > Gregory L. Marx wrote:
> > >
> > > Help !!!
> > >
> > > I've done this and I STILL can't get Warp to see the NEW 13gig drive.
> > >
> > > It's weird:
> > >
> > > ~ Boot with the install disk ...
> > > ~ Replace with Disk One when prompted ...
> > > ~ After a few seconds the floppy drive flips out making a strange
> > > noise.  Like it's constantly being hit with a data access request. But
> > > it still prompts for the second disk ...
> > > ~ As soon as I press enter on the second disk a constant stream of text
> > > paints up the screen until it finally stops with a error message of
> > > "OS/2 is unable to operate your hard disk or your floppy disk ..."
> > >
> > > The really strange thing is I can boot with the ORIGINAL floppy disks
> > > and it follows thru as expected. Of course, the drive parameters are all
> > > wrong when I manually run FDISK so I can't add a bootmanager partition.
> > > It's a 13gig Maxtor drive.  But because it does boot up and ask for the
> > > cdrom I figure it must be the ide driver that is causing the problem.
> > >
> 
> < snip >
> 
> >
> >  Yeah, your floppy disk light blinks continuously with the
> > clicking.
> > I have experienced this before, I believe the mixture of the
> > version had something to do with.
> >
> > What is the date on IBM1S506.ADD, OS2DASD.DMD,OS2CDROM.DMD
> > and IBMIDECD.FLT?
> >
> > --
> >                                       Tony,
> >
> >
> 
> Tony,
> 
> It's the latest IDE package from IBM's Device Driver Site ...
> 
> June 6, 1999 is the date listed for the respective files ...
> 
> thanks,
> Gregory L. Marx
> skidmarx@att.net

Maybe you can try a few things.

When you boot with do ALT-F2 at the "[ ] OS/2" notice the
lower part of the screen and see if you tell what loads
last prior to the loop it gets in.

Next Reboot with a new diskette 1 but only update IBM1S506.ADD
and OS2DASD.DMD. Boot with that see if continues.
Go ahead and update the other files one at a time.

It believe this may have something to do with IBMIDECD.FLT
and/or OS2CDROM.DMD and loading drivers to your CDROM drive .

Finally, try the IBMATAPI.FLT be sure to add it to the config.sys on
Diskette 1.

Hope this helps.
-- 

                                      Tony,

******************************************************
  Tony Saucedo
  EAGLE Traffic Control Systems
  Austin, Texas

  E-mail: Tony.Saucedo@eagletcs.com

******************************************************

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     12-Oct-99 20:40:11
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:17
Subj: Re: Re-partitioning & FS's Was Re: HPFS386 big problem

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:14:44 -0700, Graham C. Norris wrote:

->PQM V3 is limited to 8G no matter how you run it. This was why I was
->forced to degrade to V4 and use it from DOS. Yuck.

Not true if you run the OS/2 version of the executable. I have done so
many times, most recently against a 17GB RAID array and it works perfectly
as long as you have OS/2 protect mode drivers loaded for the adapter that
the disk is attached to.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: will.honea@wcom.com                               13-Oct-99 04:05:11
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: Will Honea <will.honea@wcom.com>


Robin Klitscher wrote:
> 
> In article
<ovyyxbcbfgbssvprjbeyqargnggarg.fjhb343.pminews@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Come to think of it, I hadn't opened the miditower case to pinpoint the
> source of the noise as the HDD, but had just assumed it. Difficult to
> imagine what else it could be, though.  It did seem to be associated
> with HDD activity.  I wouldn't have called it a "roar" exactly; more
> like a transient chattering of the head mechanism, not particularly
> loud but enough to be noticed.
> 
> It occurred in the boot sequence just before the desktop kicked in,
> though it lasted a lot less time than the 5 to 6 seconds reported by
> others.  More like 1 - 2 seconds, if that.  Invariably it was
> accompanied (immediately preceded) by a quick burst of static running
> across the screen, almost as if the monitor had been turned off and
> then quickly back on. That doesn't happen with the backlevelled
> drivers, either

That sounds more like relays in the monitor switching modes.

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  12-Oct-99 15:28:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: Re-partitioning & FS's Was Re: HPFS386 big problem

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>


Trevor Hemsley wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:48:18 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:
>
> ->Partition Magic v.3.05 handles FAT32 okay on my hard drives, but someone
> ->suggested there's a size limitation that requires v.4.
>
> I think the only time there's a size limitation on PQM V3 is when you use
> the DOS version. If you use the OS/2 version and you have OS/2 drivers for
> the hardware that allow you to see the whole disk then it works whatever
> size of disk you have.
>
> Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
> (Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)

I hate to disaggree with my "betters" Trevor but I've just got a upgrade upto
V4 from 3.05 and preliminary experimentation indicates that V3.x caps at  8Gb
irrespective of OS...   :-(
Specifically 3.05 won't resize a 10.8Gb drive via OS/2 executables.......

Evaluation still continuing but just in case this is one of those rare
instances(the only one?) where you weren't exactly 110% correct......kindly
please don't shoot the messenger...<g>

--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"




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From: ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                         13-Oct-99 13:44:09
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Really no "mount/2" to use image files like drives ?

From: Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

While many of the useful Unix programs seem to have their OS/2
counterparts now, I've not found an OS/2 equivalent of the Unix mount
command to use the image file of a hard disk partition as a drive.

Under Linux, for example, an image file in a format known to the system
(i.e. including HPFS) can simply be mounted at any mount point through the
loop device, and then be used just as if the drive was physically present.

Under OS/2, of course this would work by assigning the image file to a
reserved drive letter (something like "mount I: D:\OLD_DISK.IMG").

As the possibility to mount image files as drives has turned out to be
very time-saving in certain situations, I wonder if there's really nothing
like it under OS/2, so if you know where to find it please let me know.

Greetinx/2

Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

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From: srogge@dimes.tudelft.nl                           13-Oct-99 14:21:03
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: DVD-RAM support?

From: Sven Rogge <srogge@dimes.tudelft.nl>

Hello:

	Will there ever be DVD-RAM support under OS/2? Or are
people already using DVD-RAMs in some way? I know MOs are much 
safer but DVD-RAM drives are quite cheap and $25 per 5GB
is a nice way to clean up the hard disks. Any thoughts?

Sven

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From: svetter@ameritech.net                             13-Oct-99 08:25:18
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Trace files and old Java

From: Scott Vetter <svetter@ameritech.net>

    I've noticed on my OS/2 V4 system that I have about 7 megs of trace
files.  Can I go into the directory and delete them or is there a more
proper way?

   Also, I have the original version of Java on my system as well as
probibly an older version than what I'm currently using.  How does on
delete these?

  And lastly, please e-mail replies...

Thank you



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From: ralbers@dccnet.com                                13-Oct-99 13:33:29
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: Adding second SCSI card

From: ralbers@dccnet.com

So you just add another SCSI card, but the second SCSI disable it's 
bios, or get a second SCSI without the bios. A good second SCSI card 
to go along with your DC-390F would be the 310 model. 

When you boot up, and go into the SCSI configuration, the Symbios Bios
will recognize the second SCSI card, and of course the Symbios drivers
will also show the second SCSI card.

Choose a different ID number for the second SCSI card than the 390 
SCSI which I am assuming you have left at it's default of 7 (Highest 
priority).

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:09:09, engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston) 
wrote:

> Harald Portig (pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net) wrote:
> : My impression is that SCSI devices can be daisy-chained off a single 
> : connection on the SCSI card, up to seven devices deep.  Assuming this 
> : is true, you would not have to add an extra card.
> 
> : As an example, I have a Tekram DC-390F.  It has three connectors of 
> : which, according to the manual, any two can be used at one time for up
> : to fifteen SCSI devices.  However I am using it with only one device, 
> : so I can't speak from first-hand experience, and your card may have 
> : other constraints.
> 
> The problem is that my card, like yours, allows me to use two of three
> connectors. I have already used the "big" internal connector (main HD)
> and the "little" internal connector (backup HD and CD-R) so I can't
> now add a Zip drive and scanner to the external connector.
> 
> Ian


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              13-Oct-99 08:18:29
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: Re-partitioning & FS's Was Re: HPFS386 big problem

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Tony Wright wrote:
> I hate to disaggree with my "betters" Trevor but I've just got a upgrade
upto
> V4 from 3.05 and preliminary experimentation indicates that V3.x caps at 
8Gb
> irrespective of OS...   :-(
> Specifically 3.05 won't resize a 10.8Gb drive via OS/2 executables.......

I'm wondering whether V3 can do SCSI bigger than 8GB but not IDE. This
could explain why your experience and mine is different to Trevor's.

Graham.

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      14-Oct-99 02:08:16
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: Really no "mount/2" to use image files like drives ?

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:44:18, Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>
wrote:

> While many of the useful Unix programs seem to have their OS/2
> counterparts now, I've not found an OS/2 equivalent of the Unix mount
> command to use the image file of a hard disk partition as a drive.

It's not perfect, but TVFS allows me to do something like what you're doing.

eg. 

e:\xfree86      	 => x:\xfree86
f:\incoming 	         => x:\incoming
g:\	  	         => x:\music\mp3\cd1
e:\mp3                   => x:\music\mp3\hd1
f:\mp3	 	         => x:\music\mp3\hd2
\\sap\music              => x:\music\mp3\sap
f:\incoming\mp3          => x:\music\mp3\incoming
f:\midi			 => x:\music\midi
f:\intranet		 => x:\www\intranet
f:\hayai  	         => x:\www\hayai
e:\documents             => x:\shared\documents
e:\database		 => x:\shared\database

Will a setup like this help? It can do more then that. You can just mount
stuff 
anywhere :)

For example

g:\stuff\hd1 => x:\hd1

and g:\stuff\hd1 has subdir of places

therefore dir x:\hd1 /s will show x:\hd1\places too. But places is real.

so you can't mount another directory at x:\hd1\places\mountdir

TVFS and TVFSCTL (GUI config, essential I think) are both available at hobbes. 

Almost all my most frequently accessed directories are mounted on my TVFS
drive 
x: similar to the setup above.

BTW, it works great for ftp, http, netbeui etc. Combined with alias it makes 
very useful for my intranet site.

eg. x:\music can just be aliased as \music and all the directories mounted
under
music will be available and I can remove dir/drives to x:\music as I see fit
:)


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From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com                13-Oct-99 14:00:05
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: HPFS system area size

From: "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com>

On a drive formatted HPFS, there is a central structure called the
directory band, which is where all the files are kept track of.  It's this
(primarily) that CHKDSK refers to as the "system area".  

I'm attempting to come up with a correlation between drive size and the
size of this area.  To do this, I need a lot of data, which I wrote a
small program to retrieve.  This program can be found at:

http://home.att.net/~thanny/hpfssi.zip

There are three files in the archive - a readme, an executable, and the
source for the executable.  

What I'd like people to do is run this program for each HPFS drive they
have, and send the results to me via e-mail.  

Those results will just be the size of the drive, and the size of the
system area.

Thanks to those who do this.




 - Mike

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From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com                13-Oct-99 14:14:06
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 disk crash and data recovery

From: "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com>

On 11 Oct 1999 13:23:01 -0500, David M wrote:

>We run OS/2 supporting a P390 mainframe.
>We had a drive crash and now OS/2 reports the drive which had 20 gig of
>space as empty!
>This is after a CHKDSK /f
>Are there any data recovery companies that can salvage the data, or any
>utilities that can do what CHKDSK could not do?
>
>Please copy reply to private email deleting 'w' from the email address
>to reply. Thanks.

You're leaving a lot of details to speculation.  As for recovery,
certainly.  There are hundreds of companies which do data recovery.  They
charge about $600 for a 1GB drive, so you'd be looking at several thousand
dollars.

Before you do that, of course, it'd help to be sure everything is as it
should be in the hardware and software configuration.



 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.


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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        13-Oct-99 18:06:21
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: Really no "mount/2" to use image files like drives ?

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <7u1rai$i4$1@penguin.antarctica>, Andreas Grosche
<ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> writes:
>While many of the useful Unix programs seem to have their OS/2
>counterparts now, I've not found an OS/2 equivalent of the Unix mount
>command to use the image file of a hard disk partition as a drive.
>
>Under Linux, for example, an image file in a format known to the system
>(i.e. including HPFS) can simply be mounted at any mount point through the
>loop device, and then be used just as if the drive was physically present.
>
>Under OS/2, of course this would work by assigning the image file to a
>reserved drive letter (something like "mount I: D:\OLD_DISK.IMG").
>
>As the possibility to mount image files as drives has turned out to be
>very time-saving in certain situations, I wonder if there's really nothing
>like it under OS/2, so if you know where to find it please let me know.

Have you looked at TVFS or maybe ZIPSTREAM....

>Greetinx/2
>
>Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

--
John

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From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com                13-Oct-99 14:19:26
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: Q: Adding components in second  box.

From: "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:20:59 -0400, ytarhan@ibm.net wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>I am planning to add a SCSI CDR and tape drive to my W4 system.
>I have one ISA and one PCI slot available. Since there is no space
>inside the box, I decided to investigate using an empty tower
>system as housing for the drives.  I am not going to add a HD
>for the time being, but eventually the SCSI components will be
>the basis of a second, pure-SCSI system (currently I have 2 EIDE
>drives).
>
>Here are my questions:
>
>- Is it possible to install the SCSI card into the main unit,
>  install the drives into the second box, connect the drives
>  with a cable and power up the system, after SCSI adapter
>  support has been installed?
>
>- Is there a power-up sequence (for the boxes) that I should be
>  aware of?  If I keep the second box turned off, would I
>  be damaging the SCSI card, or the MB?  Would there be a 
>  performance penalty?
>
>- I know there are problems with improper SCSI 'termination'.
>  What should I look for to avoid these?
>  
>- Since I have one ISA and one PCI slot available, which should I
>  look for:  an ISA/SCSI or a PCI/SCSI card?

There's no fundamental problem stopping you from doing what you want.  All
the obstacles are in the implementation.

If you get internal drives, you'll need to get a ribbon cable from the
inside of one case to the inside of another.  Going out an empty expansion
slot, and into one on the other case would probably work there. 

Unless you string power cables from one box to the other, you'll also have
to plug the second box in, so that the drives inside have a power supply. 
Obviously, for the drives to be recognized at bootup, their power must be
applied before the SCSI adapter's BIOS starts looking for them.  Powering
them down while the computer is booted could have nasty consequences, so I
wouldn't recommend it.

SCSI termination is actually a simple matter.  If a device only has one
data wire coming out of it, it needs to be terminated.



 - Mike

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     13-Oct-99 20:17:13
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: Re-partitioning & FS's Was Re: HPFS386 big problem

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:28:15 +0100, Tony Wright wrote:

->I hate to disaggree with my "betters" Trevor but I've just got a upgrade
upto
->V4 from 3.05 and preliminary experimentation indicates that V3.x caps at 
8Gb
->irrespective of OS...   :-(
->Specifically 3.05 won't resize a 10.8Gb drive via OS/2 executables.......

I only ever use pmagicot.exe not pqmagico.exe and mostly do so from a
diskette boot. I just started it from the GUI via an OS/2 window and it
let me go through to the point where it let me choose drive I: from this
lot and tell it to resize it to 8190MB from 8197MB. The only thing that
stopped it was that it says there's something using it.

     Volume          Type         Size MB  Used MB  Free MB  Status    
Pri/Log
     --------------- ------------ -------- -------- -------- ----------
-------
 1 - *:              Boot Manager      7.8      7.8      0.0 Active    
Primary
 2 - *:              Hidden NTFS   1,004.1    768.5    235.6 Boot.Hid. 
Primary
 3 - C:WARP_C        HPFS            494.2    277.2    217.0 Bootable  
Primary
 4 - *:              Extended     15,845.4 15,845.4      0.0 None      
Primary
 5 -   D:WARP_D      HPFS            494.2    277.3    216.8 Bootable  
Logical
 6 -   E:WARP_E      HPFS          1,004.0    550.2    453.9 None      
Logical
 7 -   F:OS2_DATA_F  HPFS          4,000.5  3,133.5    867.1 None      
Logical
 8 -   G:            HPFS            494.2    348.0    146.2 Bootable  
Logical
 9 -   H:            HPFS            494.2    271.8    222.3 Bootable  
Logical
10 -   I:            HPFS          8,197.2  1,277.1  6,920.1 None      
Logical
11 -   *:            Linux Ext2    1,035.4  1,035.4      0.0 None      
Logical
12 -   *:            Linux Swap      125.5    125.5      0.0 None      
Logical

Enter a partition number for drive 1 (1-12):


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca                       13-Oct-99 19:27:10
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Backup with CD-R

From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

I'm going to (finally!) spring for a backup system soon, and I'd
appreciate feedback on pitfalls, etc. CD-R/CD-RW's seem to be the most
cost-effective way to go.

I'm planning the following:
-Tekram 390F SCSI adapter
-Yamaha 4416 or 6416 CD-RW drive (or perhaps just a plain CD-R) SCSI
-RSJ CD-Writer
-BackAgain/2
(Yes, one expensive package, I know. But it will be used for more than
just backup)

Will this setup be okay? Especially if I have to span multiple CD's?
Is there a cheaper, but just as reliable, setup?


Thanks,
Isaac

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From: seaberg@edc.gsph.pitt.edu                         13-Oct-99 18:29:24
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Partially missing FAT partition after HD upgrade

From: Eric Seaberg <seaberg@edc.gsph.pitt.edu>

I've just added a 13GB Quantum EIDE HD to replace the 2MB and 340MB HDs
that
came with my system.  Initially, I planned to keep the partitions the
same
size until I was confident that everything worked fine.

To do this, I added the new HD to my system and then copied
both my Warp 4 (FP11) HPFS partition and my Win95 FAT32
partition to the new HD using the copy partition feature of
Partition Magic v4.

Right now, I have the new 13GB drive partitioned as follows:

Primary:  Boot Manager
Primary:  Win95 (FAT32)  1.0GB
Primary:  OS/2 v4(FP11) HPFS 1.0 GB
Extended/Logical:  FAT16 1.6GB

My problem is that when I boot OS/2, the OS/2 system
cannot see the logical FAT partition, and does not assign it
a letter.  But even more interesting is when I run PartitionMagic
3.05 for OS/2, PMagic sees the FAT drive AND LABELS IT AS
DRIVE D:.

I had assumed that the FAT drive was both small
enough and close enough to be beginning of the drive to ensure
that OS/2 would see it.  It appears that this assumption was wrong.

Any explanations would be appreciated, as would suggestions about
making my logical FAT drive visible to OS/2.

Thanks.

-Eric


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    13-Oct-99 21:58:23
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: Backup with CD-R

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

e-frog (isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca) wrote:

: -Yamaha 4416 or 6416 CD-RW drive (or perhaps just a plain CD-R) SCSI

	Ricoh 7040S (4x write, 4x re-write, 20x read) is actually cheaper 
than the Yamaha model.

: -RSJ CD-Writer

	CDRecord/2 rules.  'nuff said.

: -BackAgain/2
: (Yes, one expensive package, I know. But it will be used for more than
: just backup)

	I'd simply use something like InfoZip or RAR, myself.


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From: nospam2rhb@accessv.com                            14-Oct-99 06:18:27
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:09
Subj: Re: Backup with CD-R

From: Rob Burton <nospam2rhb@accessv.com>

Save yourself some trouble. You can't put EAs on CDs.

I have this CDRW drive. I use ZIP to make EA-containing packages of my
back up targets and I make sure they'll fit on CDs without spanning. 

Then I boot W98 so I can run the very good CD software that comes with
the Yamaha and I put the zip archives on the CDs. I bought RSJ's
package, but I had lots of trouble with its way of treating a CDRW.

On 13 Oct 1999 19:27:21 GMT, isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)
sent:

>I'm going to (finally!) spring for a backup system soon, and I'd
>appreciate feedback on pitfalls, etc. CD-R/CD-RW's seem to be the most
>cost-effective way to go.
>
>I'm planning the following:
>-Tekram 390F SCSI adapter
>-Yamaha 4416 or 6416 CD-RW drive (or perhaps just a plain CD-R) SCSI
>-RSJ CD-Writer
>-BackAgain/2
>(Yes, one expensive package, I know. But it will be used for more than
>just backup)
>
>Will this setup be okay? Especially if I have to span multiple CD's?
>Is there a cheaper, but just as reliable, setup?
>
>
>Thanks,
>Isaac

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From: ibasuk@my-deja.com                                14-Oct-99 09:32:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: OS/2 disk crash and data recovery

From: ibasuk@my-deja.com

In article
<gunaalzrvfgrelnubbpbz.fjjzzp2.pminews@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
  "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 11 Oct 1999 13:23:01 -0500, David M wrote:
>
> >We run OS/2 supporting a P390 mainframe.
> >We had a drive crash and now OS/2 reports the drive which had 20 gig
of
> >space as empty!
> >This is after a CHKDSK /f
> >Are there any data recovery companies that can salvage the data, or
any
> >utilities that can do what CHKDSK could not do?
> >
> >Please copy reply to private email deleting 'w' from the email
address
> >to reply. Thanks.
>
The Ibas group is Europe's leading data recovery company with offices
in six European and Scandinavian countries.  We should be able to get
your data back for you, for more information please visit either our
group website at:  www.ibas.no or our own UK site:  www.ibasuk.com

Best regards

Tony Inkster
Ibas UK Limited


> You're leaving a lot of details to speculation.  As for recovery,
> certainly.  There are hundreds of companies which do data recovery.
They
> charge about $600 for a 1GB drive, so you'd be looking at several
thousand
> dollars.
>
> Before you do that, of course, it'd help to be sure everything is as
it
> should be in the hardware and software configuration.
>
>  - Mike
>
> Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       14-Oct-99 13:07:03
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Partially missing FAT partition after HD upgrade

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

The most likely cause is that the extended partition is created by Win9x
or PM and is created as a type 0xF partition, while OS/2 only recoqnizes
0x5 type extended partition.

Two alternatives:
- recreate the extended partition using FDISK from OS/2
- Try PARTFILT.FLT from OS2FAT32.ZIP. This also enables you to access
your FAT32 partition.

See: http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/

Henk


Make it FAT

Eric Seaberg wrote:
> 
> I've just added a 13GB Quantum EIDE HD to replace the 2MB and 340MB HDs
> that
> came with my system.  Initially, I planned to keep the partitions the
> same
> size until I was confident that everything worked fine.
> 
> To do this, I added the new HD to my system and then copied
> both my Warp 4 (FP11) HPFS partition and my Win95 FAT32
> partition to the new HD using the copy partition feature of
> Partition Magic v4.
> 
> Right now, I have the new 13GB drive partitioned as follows:
> 
> Primary:  Boot Manager
> Primary:  Win95 (FAT32)  1.0GB
> Primary:  OS/2 v4(FP11) HPFS 1.0 GB
> Extended/Logical:  FAT16 1.6GB
> 
> My problem is that when I boot OS/2, the OS/2 system
> cannot see the logical FAT partition, and does not assign it
> a letter.  But even more interesting is when I run PartitionMagic
> 3.05 for OS/2, PMagic sees the FAT drive AND LABELS IT AS
> DRIVE D:.
> 
> I had assumed that the FAT drive was both small
> enough and close enough to be beginning of the drive to ensure
> that OS/2 would see it.  It appears that this assumption was wrong.
> 
> Any explanations would be appreciated, as would suggestions about
> making my logical FAT drive visible to OS/2.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Eric

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From: robinkk@attglobal.net                             15-Oct-99 01:42:28
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: robinkk@attglobal.net (Robin Klitscher)

In article <38040318.EFE6275F@wcom.com>,
Will Honea <will.honea@wcom.com> wrote:

>
>
>Robin Klitscher wrote:

>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>> Come to think of it, I hadn't opened the miditower case to pinpoint the
>> source of the noise as the HDD, but had just assumed it. Difficult to
>> imagine what else it could be, though.  It did seem to be associated
>> with HDD activity.  I wouldn't have called it a "roar" exactly; more
>> like a transient chattering of the head mechanism, not particularly
>> loud but enough to be noticed.
>> 
>> It occurred in the boot sequence just before the desktop kicked in,
>> though it lasted a lot less time than the 5 to 6 seconds reported by
>> others.  More like 1 - 2 seconds, if that.  Invariably it was
>> accompanied (immediately preceded) by a quick burst of static running
>> across the screen, almost as if the monitor had been turned off and
>> then quickly back on. That doesn't happen with the backlevelled
>> drivers, either
>
>That sounds more like relays in the monitor switching modes.


Yair; well, out of curiosity I reinstalled the 2.31 MGA drivers and the
aural transient reappeared.  So I took the cover off the machine &
snooped about.  FWIW the source is indeed the drive bay area, but I
have three disks in there & couldn't isolate it beyond that.  I've no
idea whether it matters, but on the theory that _something_ is being
pushed more than it ought to be I've done a tactical retreat back to
the 2.23 version again ......




-- 
Robin Klitscher
Wellington ("Harbour City") NZ

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           14-Oct-99 17:26:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <h3dB4MzgEy6Q092yn@attglobal.net>, on 10/15/99 
   at 01:42 AM, robinkk@attglobal.net (Robin Klitscher) said:

>>> It occurred in the boot sequence just before the desktop kicked in,

Exactly.

>>> though it lasted a lot less time than the 5 to 6 seconds reported by
>>> others.  More like 1 - 2 seconds, if that.  Invariably it was

Maybe I exaggerated it... Did not use a stopwatch :-).

>>> accompanied (immediately preceded) by a quick burst of static running
>>> across the screen, almost as if the monitor had been turned off and
>>> then quickly back on. That doesn't happen with the backlevelled

Again, exactly the same symptoms here.

>>> drivers, either
>>
>>That sounds more like relays in the monitor switching modes.

>Yair; well, out of curiosity I reinstalled the 2.31 MGA drivers and the
>aural transient reappeared.  So I took the cover off the machine &
>snooped about.  FWIW the source is indeed the drive bay area, but I
>have three disks in there & couldn't isolate it beyond that.  I've no
>idea whether it matters, but on the theory that _something_ is being
>pushed more than it ought to be I've done a tactical retreat back to
>the 2.23 version again ......

Strange thing is that I have three computers here with OS/2 installed,
all with (different) Matrox cards and latest drivers 2.31 installed, but
only *one* of the machines produces this starnge sound on bootup. This
one is the only one booting from UW SCSI HDD. It has another IDE HDD
installed, so I can't really find which of the disks makes this sound...

What kind of HDDs others having the same problem are booting off?
Please, report.

Cheers,
Ivan

-- 
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"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  14-Oct-99 12:51:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: Re-partitioning & FS's Was Re: HPFS386 big problem

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Trevor Hemsley wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:28:15 +0100, Tony Wright wrote:
>
> ->I hate to disaggree with my "betters" Trevor but I've just got a upgrade
upto
> ->V4 from 3.05 and preliminary experimentation indicates that V3.x caps at 
8Gb
> ->irrespective of OS...   :-(
> ->Specifically 3.05 won't resize a 10.8Gb drive via OS/2 executables.......
>
> I only ever use pmagicot.exe not pqmagico.exe and mostly do so from a
> diskette boot. I just started it from the GUI via an OS/2 window and it
> let me go through to the point where it let me choose drive I: from this
> lot and tell it to resize it to 8190MB from 8197MB. The only thing that
> stopped it was that it says there's something using it.
>
>      Volume          Type         Size MB  Used MB  Free MB  Status
> Pri/Log
>      --------------- ------------ -------- -------- -------- ----------
> -------
>  1 - *:              Boot Manager      7.8      7.8      0.0 Active
> Primary
>  2 - *:              Hidden NTFS   1,004.1    768.5    235.6 Boot.Hid.
> Primary
>  3 - C:WARP_C        HPFS            494.2    277.2    217.0 Bootable
> Primary
>  4 - *:              Extended     15,845.4 15,845.4      0.0 None
> Primary
>  5 -   D:WARP_D      HPFS            494.2    277.3    216.8 Bootable
> Logical
>  6 -   E:WARP_E      HPFS          1,004.0    550.2    453.9 None
> Logical
>  7 -   F:OS2_DATA_F  HPFS          4,000.5  3,133.5    867.1 None
> Logical
>  8 -   G:            HPFS            494.2    348.0    146.2 Bootable
> Logical
>  9 -   H:            HPFS            494.2    271.8    222.3 Bootable
> Logical
> 10 -   I:            HPFS          8,197.2  1,277.1  6,920.1 None
> Logical
> 11 -   *:            Linux Ext2    1,035.4  1,035.4      0.0 None
> Logical
> 12 -   *:            Linux Swap      125.5    125.5      0.0 None
> Logical
>
> Enter a partition number for drive 1 (1-12):

Sorry I was guilty of what I often criticise others for in not supplying
sufficient data!  :-(
Honest guv I never doubted you hadn't already tried it first!<g> -  but
as Graham pointed out our configurations are probably not the same:
1. Although I'm using boot disks (from FP9), and similarly invoking
PMAGICOT.EXE + using latest IDEDASD drivers it is therefore on a >8Gb
IDE drive and not SCSI (as I suspect you are using?).

2. In my specific case it's FAT32X  (0c'X') FS type which you also don't
have on your PM output detail .......

3. Furthermore it might also  even be related to specific SCSI adapter
(*.ADD basedev) and/or even IDE controller/bios implementations?

It may be one/more combinations of above but as I don't personally have
current access to multiple >8Gb SCSI,IDE drives and controllers to test
this hypothesis then it remains purely speculative until you/someone
else (collectively) proves it or otherise.......     :-(

Although (FWIW) I'll probably be able to revert to FAT16 and perhaps
dis/prove item 2. later this coming weekend in my particular (limited)
scenario....   ( Whats max cluster size on 8Gb+ partition? 32Kb or
64Kb?<vbg>)

Anyway you've got better things to do "packing" boxes!<vbg> - (Don't
tell me you now need another cartload of horsy poo for the new garden?)
- Good luck with the move!

> Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
> (Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"


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From: jim_deletethis_@hemenway.com                      14-Oct-99 10:15:27
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: FA: NOVASTOR Backup/Restore - OS/2 and Win 16/32, NT.

From: Jim Hemenway <jim_deletethis_@hemenway.com>

FA: NOVASTOR Backup/Restore - Win 16/32, NT and OS/2

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=179480215

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Disaster Recovery, Anti Virus Protection, E-Mail and File Security,
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From: pm@nospam.mclink.it                               14-Oct-99 18:46:01
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: "PM" <pm@nospam.mclink.it>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:26:29 +0400, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

:>What kind of HDDs others having the same problem are booting off?
:>Please, report.

I have the same problem and HD U2W

      Paolo
 p.micca@mclink.it


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From: mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net                    14-Oct-99 13:15:15
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Fdisk can't read partitions on larger drive (3GB)

From: "Michael Shillingford" <mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net>

Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
has been partitioned by Win95B into:
C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
E: Extended 1020 MB Fat

On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
appears to be corrupted, showing only:
C: primary 976 fat
? 2044 MB unknown

I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
install warp/bootmanager on the extended partitions.
Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371


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From: mshill@elkvalley.net                              14-Oct-99 13:18:05
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: fdisk can't read partition table on larger drive (3GB)

From: "Michael Shillingford" <mshill@elkvalley.net>

Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
has been partitioned by Win95B into:
C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
E: Extended 1020 MB Fat

On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
appears to be corrupted, showing only:
C: primary 976 fat
? 2044 MB unknown

I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
install warp on the extended partitions.
Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371


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From: sartory@bellsouth.net                             14-Oct-99 17:14:23
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: fdisk can't read partition table on larger drive (3GB)

From: sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net>

I don't have any very helpful suggestions, but I would like
to report that I run several OSes, & it has happened to me
many times that Microsoft OSes have made made changes to a
partition table that OS2 has reported as a corrupt partition
table. In all these past experiences, the only fix I have
ever found is to delete ALL partitions on the physical drive
using OS2 fdisk & reboot & then completely repartion the
drive using OS2 fdisk. I have even found using WinNT4 at
servicepak level 1, that simply opening NT Disk
Administrator on a drive that was partitioned with OS2 will
result in a demand by NT to "write a signature" on the drive
& that will immediately cause OS2 fdisk to report the
partition table as corrupt.

Walt

Michael Shillingford wrote:
> 
> Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
> has been partitioned by Win95B into:
> C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
> D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
> E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
> 
> On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
> appears to be corrupted, showing only:
> C: primary 976 fat
> ? 2044 MB unknown
> 
> I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
> any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
> without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
> install warp on the extended partitions.
> Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
> mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
> IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371

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From: thotti@muenster.de                                14-Oct-99 23:33:07
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: fdisk can't read partition table on larger drive (3GB)

From: thotti@muenster.de

Michael Shillingford wrote:
> 
> Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
> has been partitioned by Win95B into:
> C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
> D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
> E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
> 
> On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
> appears to be corrupted, showing only:
> C: primary 976 fat
> ? 2044 MB unknown
> 
> I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
> any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
> without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
> install warp on the extended partitions.
> Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
> mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
> IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371

You are beyond Win9x magic 2g border. So, win9x has written shit to your
disk(from the sight of other OS). Start repartitioning your HD with a
prof OS like OS/2 and there will be no probs.
1. Delete all partitions with fdisk from Winxx
2. Start OS/2 installation, costum
3. When prompting, start partitioning your hd
4. partition it as above

cu/2

thotti

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From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com                14-Oct-99 17:38:09
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: Fdisk can't read partitions on larger drive (3GB)

From: "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:15:31 -0700, Michael Shillingford wrote:

>Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
>has been partitioned by Win95B into:
>C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
>D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
>E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
>
>On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
>appears to be corrupted, showing only:
>C: primary 976 fat
>? 2044 MB unknown
>
>I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
>any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
>without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
>install warp/bootmanager on the extended partitions.
>Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
>mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
>IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371

Sounds like Win95's FDISK screwed something up.  OS/2 doesn't have any
problems with large drives.  I've got one 3GB drive, and one 6GB drive,
both partitionable.

What you might try doing is deleting the extended partition with Win95's
FDISK, then try to create it again with OS/2's FDISK.



 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.


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From: robinkk@attglobal.net                             15-Oct-99 09:05:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

From: robinkk@attglobal.net (Robin Klitscher)

In article <3805db81$2$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>,
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> wrote:


>
>What kind of HDDs others having the same problem are booting off?
>Please, report.
>

Yessir!

This is a stand-alone machine, P2 450.  MGA 200 AGP.  Monitor is a
17-inch Phillips Brilliance, running at 1280x1024, 16bpp.  

IDE_0, Device: HD_0 QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A; Device: HD_1 QUANTUM
FIREBALL EL5.1A

IDE_1, Device: HD_0 QUANTUM SIROCCO2550A; Device: ATAPI_0 IDE CDROM

(The Sirocco on the second channel is an older disk, 2.4GB, extended
partition only, with logical drives dedicated to Linux RH6.0, ext2fs,
bootable using LILO via Boot Manager.  Unlikely to be a part of the
issue.)

On IDE_0, the first Fireball - 6.4GB - is partitioned 3 primaries and
one extended.  Primaries are Boot Manager (IBM version, not Partition
Magic's); Win98 (FAT32, bootable from BM but hidden from running OS/2);
and a small Warp4-based maintenance partition, HPFS, "at the end of
free space". The extended partition contains four logical drives, one
FAT16, the rest HPFS.  One of these is bootable from BM, containing
Warp3 Connect (FixPack 39 level) which, obviously, I've retained as a
separate fallback installation.

The second Fireball - 5.1GB - on IDE_0 is partitioned extended only,
with 3 logical drives, all HPFS.  The first of these has Warp4 as my
main OS (FixPack 12 level), and is selected as the default boot
partition from BM. The other two partitions are data.

Out of curiosity, I've just updated to the MGA 2.31 drivers on the Warp
3 logical drive on the first disk.  Lo and behold, it boots normally.
No odd noises, no flash across the screen before the desktop comes up. 

Emboldened, I then put the MGA 2.31 drivers on the maintenance primary
partition on the first drive.  This is a WPS installation created with
Kenneth Kahn's BOOTOS2 utility, and it's been serviced to FixPack 12
and DDPack 1, same as the main Warp4 installation, and it also runs
at 1280x1024 & 16bpp.  Guess what!  Normal boot; _no_ noises, _no_
screen flash.

Curiouser and curiouser.  Now I have the MGA 2.31 drivers working
without aberration on a Warp3 logical drive and on a Warp4 WPS primary
maintenance partition on the first physical disk, but exhibiting
persistent oddities during bootup (2.31 is functionally OK otherwise)
in a full Warp4 installation on a logical drive on the second disk.  

All of which leaves me none the wiser as to cause, really.  On the
face of it, the behaviour isn't easy to associate with logical boot
drives versus primaries, nor FixPack12, nor DDPack1, nor Warp4 versus
Warp3 per se.   Which leaves it, somewhat obscurely, with the main
Warp4 installation, or with the second drive on the first channel, or
both, or something I haven't thought of, the latter being entirely
possible! 




-- 
Robin Klitscher
Wellington ("Harbour City") NZ

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               14-Oct-99 22:41:01
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: FP12 makes my HDD roar on boot

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Ivan Adzhubei schrieb:
> What kind of HDDs others having the same problem are booting off?
> Please, report.

Same here with IBM DDRS UW-SCSI harddisk on one machine and Seagate UW
harddisk on another.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               15-Oct-99 00:37:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Partly solution 

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

I just downgraded to the Matrox beta driver 2.31.095 that still can be
found on Hobbes (/pub/os2/system/drivers/video) and the problem has
gone! Look for matroxg400_231095.zip.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                15-Oct-99 02:47:25
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: Fdisk can't read partitions on larger drive (3GB)

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

I ran into the same trouble and ended up using Win9x's fdisk to
partition the drive.  Linux's fdisk  will also work.  



On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:38:18 -0400 (EDT), Mike Ruskai wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:15:31 -0700, Michael Shillingford wrote:
>
>>Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
>>has been partitioned by Win95B into:
>>C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
>>D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
>>E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
>>
>>On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
>>appears to be corrupted, showing only:
>>C: primary 976 fat
>>? 2044 MB unknown
>>
>>I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
>>any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
>>without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
>>install warp/bootmanager on the extended partitions.
>>Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
>>mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
>>IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371
>
>Sounds like Win95's FDISK screwed something up.  OS/2 doesn't have any
>problems with large drives.  I've got one 3GB drive, and one 6GB drive,
>both partitionable.
>
>What you might try doing is deleting the extended partition with Win95's
>FDISK, then try to create it again with OS/2's FDISK.
>
>
>
> - Mike
>
>Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.
>
>

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                15-Oct-99 02:50:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: Fdisk can't read partitions on larger drive (3GB)

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

But on second thought, using Win's fdisk may cause you more trouble,
it happened to me recently!  How about deleting everything and then
trying either OS/2's or Linux's fdisk?
Sorry for the confusion, I wanted to catch my possible mistake in the
previous post, just in case...


On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:47:51 -0400 (EDT), OS/2 Fan wrote:

>I ran into the same trouble and ended up using Win9x's fdisk to
>partition the drive.  Linux's fdisk  will also work.  
>
>
>
>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:38:18 -0400 (EDT), Mike Ruskai wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:15:31 -0700, Michael Shillingford wrote:
>>
>>>Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
>>>has been partitioned by Win95B into:
>>>C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
>>>D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
>>>E: Extended 1020 MB Fat
>>>
>>>On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
>>>appears to be corrupted, showing only:
>>>C: primary 976 fat
>>>? 2044 MB unknown
>>>
>>>I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
>>>any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
>>>without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
>>>install warp/bootmanager on the extended partitions.
>>>Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
>>>mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
>>>IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371
>>
>>Sounds like Win95's FDISK screwed something up.  OS/2 doesn't have any
>>problems with large drives.  I've got one 3GB drive, and one 6GB drive,
>>both partitionable.
>>
>>What you might try doing is deleting the extended partition with Win95's
>>FDISK, then try to create it again with OS/2's FDISK.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>>Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.
>>
>>
>
>Regards,
>Xtralarge OS/2 fan
>	
>Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
>killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
>I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
>and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  
>
>

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com                14-Oct-99 20:53:15
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Quest for HPFS system area info

From: "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com>

I've updated the program to handle drives larger than 2GB.

It can be found here:

http://home.att.net/~thanny/hpfssi.zip

Also included is a REXX script to automatically check all HPFS drives on a
system, and write the output to a file ready for e-mail attachment or
inclusion.

The output format is also different, for ease of automatic parsing
purposes.

Thanks again to those who've supplied info, and those who will.



 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.


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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     15-Oct-99 01:23:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: OS/2 disk crash and data recovery

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

In <38036A19.5897@cyburban.com>, David M <dmcw@cyburban.com> writes:
>Frank McKenney wrote:
>> In <3802265F.30F4@cyburban.com>, David M <dmcw@cyburban.com> writes:
>> >We run OS/2 supporting a P390 mainframe.
>> >We had a drive crash and now OS/2 reports the drive which had 20 gig of
>> >space as empty!
--snip--
>> Is this 20Gb drive your boot drive?  Is it an IDE drive?
>> 
>No, it was drive F: But after running CHKDSK on this we also had the
>"Drive D: is dirty, run CHKDSK /F to recover" message for drive D:
>The boot drive appears to be C: which seems ok (passes CHKDSK).
>OS/2 appears to be in a subdirectory of the C: drive.

David,

Okay, If you have access to the drive that seems to indicate that you
wouldn't be helped by my suggestion. Happens (;-).

>Am I right in thinking that with RAID 5, drive F: actually spans several
>physical disk drives? When CHKDSK ran (for 24 hrs!) the drive lights on
>six physical drives flickered. We actually have 24 disk drives on our
>machine.

I think that would depend on (a) the hardware in your machine and (b)
how you have your RAID configured.  A discussion of RAID is out of my
league, but I'm sure there are people reading here who _do_ know about
it - but I think they'll need a bit more information about your hardware
and RAID configureation than I've seen posted so far.  Your last reply,
in fact, was the first time I had seen RAID mentioned.

So... what kind of drives? What kind of adapter(s)? What OS/2 
driver(s)? And what kind of description can you give of how your RAID is
structured?

Hope this moves things along...


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com                15-Oct-99 03:31:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: More on HPFS information quest

From: "Mike Ruskai" <thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com>

If you download and use http://home.att.net/~thanny/hpfssi.zip, and you
get a strange result for the system area size (it should be around the
range of 500KB to 8MB), I'd appreciate it you could also download this:

http://home.att.net/~thanny/dmpsect.zip

Run that on the same drive, and send the file it creates, sectdata.dat, to
me via an e-mail attachment.  That data file will be your HPFS Super
Block, which contains the directory band data.

Thanks to those helping out.



 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.


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From: ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                         15-Oct-99 14:52:12
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS/2 FDISK reports corrupt partition table

From: Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

In comp.os.os2.setup.storage sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> [...] I would like to report that I run several OSes, & it has happened
> to me many times that Microsoft OSes have made changes to a partition
> table that OS2 has reported as a corrupt partition table. In all these
> past experiences, the only fix I have ever found is to delete ALL
> partitions on the physical drive using OS2 fdisk & reboot & then
> completely repartion the drive using OS2 fdisk.

Fortunately this is *not* the only fix there is. I've also had the
experience that a Win9x FDISK let loose on a hard disk will cause OS/2
FDISK to report possible corruption and then refuse to do anything but
delete partitions, however I did find ways to remedy the situation (which
I had already posted here), like using the cfdisk from Linux to read in
and re-write the partitition table (whenever I had encountered this problem,
after using cfdisk the OS/2 FDISK would accept the partition table again),
or using DFSee from http://www.fsys.demon.nl which is a more powerful and
less picky tool than OS/2 FDISK but can also handle the OS/2 Boot Manager.

Of course these methods require their users to know exactly what they are
doing, and I cannot take any responsibility if they fail (as we all know,
one *can* use an fdisk utility to screw up a hard disk beyond recognition).

So please do read the documentation of these utilities, be aware that your
mileage may vary, but if any of them helps please let me know by eMail.

Greetinx/2

Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

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From: ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                         15-Oct-99 14:21:07
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: Really no "mount/2" to use image files like drives ?

From: Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

Khairil Yusof <mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au> wrote:
>> While many of the useful Unix programs seem to have their OS/2
>> counterparts now, I've not found an OS/2 equivalent of the Unix mount
>> command to use the image file of a hard disk partition as a drive.

> It's not perfect, but TVFS allows me to do something like what you're doing.
> g:\	  	         => x:\music\mp3\cd1
> Will a setup like this help?

It won't, I'm afraid, for it just works on the file/directory level while
I need something to make OS/2 see not just a path but rather the image
of an entire *disk* (partition) under a drive letter.

Under Linux, this can be done in a matter of seconds by simply typing e.g.
"mount /dos/hdc6.img /warp -t hpfs -o loop=/dev/loop3".

This means the loop device /dev/loop3 will be set up to correspond to the
partition image file /dos/hdc6.img (i.e. the copy of an entire partition)
which is then mounted as an HPFS file system at the mount point /warp.

The effect is that a drive (for DOS or OS/2, in the sense of partition)
that is used as E:, for example, and could also be mounted under Linux by
"mount /dev/hdc6 /warp -t hpfs",
can now removed (e.g. if the hard disk fails) not just without losing any
of the data, but also allowing the continued operation (after just
one simple command) which is fully transparent to all applications.

In other words, even if the disk is gone, virtually it is still there.

Of course, this can be an invaluable advantage in many recovery situations.

> It can do more then that. You can just mount stuff anywhere :)
> BTW, it works great for ftp, http, netbeui etc.
> Combined with alias it makes very useful for my intranet site.
> eg. x:\music can just be aliased as \music

I know TVFS is a great help to simplify complicated directory structures,
however IMHO it is not designed to do the trick in the case of my problem.

Anyway, thanks for your reply.

Greetinx/2

Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                15-Oct-99 13:54:19
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Lost extended attributes (reprise)

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

I posted earlier about losing extended attributes and got some good
information. I have gotten a little farther in the investigation and
would appreciate some more input.

I've got a multi-OS system: Win98, OS/2 and DOS. OS/2 is in a logical
FAT partition so Win98 can see it. I've turned off everything I can in
Win98's mainentance wizard but still some automatic thing is going on
which causes the losing of OS/2 extended attributes. I know that it is
something in Win98 that's doing it because I've just gone a little over
a week without bringing up Win98 and I haven't lost any extended
attributes in that time. I also know that it is something automatic
because I have not overtly accessed any files on the OS/2 partition from
Win98 for quite some time.

What I suspect is happening is that EA DATA. SF (yes, space between EA
and DATA and between . and SF) is getting defragmented by Win98 in a
misguided attempt to improve the performance of my system. Extended
attributes are all part of the file EA DATA. SF but the extended
attributes of any partitcular file is pointed to by the directory entry
of that file. If Win98 should defrag EA DATA. SF it is probably smart
enough to reconstruct the file itself correctly but it certainly would
not update the pointers in the directory entries. With the clusters
within EA DATA . SF having physically moved, the directory entries no
longer point to their files' extended attributes. Chkdsk finds these now
orphaned extended attributes as lost extended attributes.

What I've found is that Win98 (Win95 doesn't) has a registry entry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Defrag\App
StartParms\Exclude
Files.

This entry is set to: SYSTEM.DAT\USER.DAT\SYSTEM.INI\WIN.INI

So, is this a list of files that defrag won't touch? If so, can I add EA
DATA. SF to the list? If so, are there any special considerations due to
the fact that this file has blanks in its name?

Also, I'd like to confirm that it is defrag that is doing it. I could do
that if there were some utility which showed what physical clusters on
your hard drive that a file occupied and another utility that could
display the contents of a directory entry so I could see bytes 14h and
15h which is where the EA pointer is stored. Are there such utilities
and, if so, where can I get them?

Finally, is there a utility which will reattach extended attributes from
EA*.CHK files to the directory entries of the files.

Oh, I know I can convert my OS/2 partition to HPFS and avoid this
problem. I may yet do that. But I don't like being forced to do so by
some rogue operating system I can't control.

Thanks
Jim

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From: nospam2rhb@accessv.com                            15-Oct-99 19:12:02
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes (reprise)

From: Rob Burton <nospam2rhb@accessv.com>

There is an EA utility. Search Hobbes.
W9x has a "maintenance wizard". Run it. If you want it to keep
defragging automatically (this is excessive, in my view), at least
remove the OS/2 drive from the list of those eligible to receive this
attention.
OS/2 needs HPFS to do Java well, perhaps you have an HPFS partition
somewhere where you've put Java.
HPFS has 512 byte sector sizes. Your FAT sector sizes may be 2048 or
even 4096.
Changing OS/2 from FAT to HPFS will change dirve letter assignments
after the Warp partition when W9x is running.
HTH

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From: mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net                    15-Oct-99 15:02:19
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: OS/2 FDISK reports corrupt partition table

From: "Michael Shillingford" <mshillREMOVETHIS@elkvalley.net>

Andreas Grosche wrote in message <7u7828$q1$1@penguin.antarctica>...
>delete partitions, however I did find ways to remedy the situation (which
>I had already posted here), like using the cfdisk from Linux to read in
>and re-write the partitition table (whenever I had encountered this
problem,
>after using cfdisk the OS/2 FDISK would accept the partition table again),
>or using DFSee from http://www.fsys.demon.nl which is a more powerful and


Used DFSee, and this fixed the problem. I used this utility using the
commands: fdisk fixext. This changed the extended partition type from type F
(unknown to OS/2) to type 5 (normal extended). I could then run the OS/2
fdisk to delete, then recreate the extended drive E, as well as install
bootmanager at the end of the drive. However, I do notice that it takes
about 30 seconds for the bootmanager to load its partition selection/menu
screen - on my previous system it would load much quicker.


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From: mshill@elkvalley.net                              14-Oct-99 13:20:29
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: fdisk can't read partition table on large drive (3GB)

From: "Michael Shillingford" <mshill@elkvalley.net>

Am trying to install warp 3 and 4 on a new system that has a 3GB drive that
has been partitioned by Win95B into:
C: Primary 976 MB Fat  Win95
D: Extended 1024 MB Fat
E: Extended 1020 MB Fat

On install, both Warps fdisk program reports that the partition table
appears to be corrupted, showing only:
C: primary 976 fat
? 2044 MB unknown

I can delete both the partitions using warps fdisk, but then I can't create
any new ones - the fdisk menus options are all disabled. Have exited fdisk
without saving since I don't want to remove the first (C) partition, just
install warp on the extended partitions.
Using WD Caviar 3020MB IDE drive, 6136 Cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors, LBA
mode, PIO 4, Blockmode 16 sec, 32bit mode off.
IDE controller is VXPro-II PC82371


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