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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              08-Oct-99 23:19:24
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:24
Subj: Re: Filter question for PMMAIL 2.x

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

That filter should work according to the documentation.  What action(s) do
you have set for that filter.  I would have it change the priority of the
message or move the message to a different folder or play a sound or somthing
non destructive to test to see if it works.  Also, I don't know how many
address books you have, but you could use this variable instead:

	$ab.bookname$ instead, substituting the name of the address book for
'bookname'



On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:03:52 -0400 (EDT), R. Kelley Cook wrote:

:>In PMMail 2.x, How do I check to see if an incoming message is part of my
:>address book with complex filters?
:>
:>I tried h.from=$ab$, which the help file seems to imply, but that does not
:>work.
:>
:>Thanks in advance,
:>Kelley Cook
:>
:>
:>
:>


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)918-2480



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From: auofaq@locutus.ofB.ORG                            08-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: FAQ: pointer to alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQs

From: auofaq@locutus.ofB.ORG (a.u.o FAQ)

Archive-name: offline-reader/usenet/pointer
Alt-usenet-offline-reader-archive-name: pointer
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
Intro-Last-modified: 1998-Nov-21
Software-Last-modified: 1999-Jul-13

[
  Please note that this message has a Followup-To: alt.usenet.offline-reader
  which directs all followups to that one group only.  If you see a response
  directly to this post which spams all the groups on the list, that user is
  either extremely rude or using very broken software.  In either case, they
  might benefit from you mailing them, and asking them to correct it.

  Also note that there are no opinions in this pointer -- it merely contains
  unrefutable facts about the *.answers newsgroups.
]

Alt.Usenet.Offline-Reader is about reading mail and news available to
your normal login account, but while you're not actually logged in.

The alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQ lists can be obtained via all
news.answers access methods:

quoting the news.answers FAQ:

``
		    Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
/pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name".
Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may
not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name.

  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
by mail server as well.  Send an E-mail message to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on
separate lines for more information.
''

The FAQ lists for alt.usenet.offline-reader can be found on the Internet:
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.usenet.offline-reader/intro>
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.usenet.offline-reader/software>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/off-line-readers/usenet/intro/>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/off-line-readers/usenet/software/>

Note that, despite the name including `usenet' and not `mail', discussion of
mail as well as news is welcomed (and common) in alt.usenet.offline-reader.

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From: smarvin@erols.com                                 09-Oct-99 20:47:09
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Filter question for PMMAIL 2.x

From: "Steve Marvin" <smarvin@erols.com>

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:03:52 -0400 (EDT), R. Kelley Cook wrote:

êIn PMMail 2.x, How do I check to see if an incoming message is part of my
êaddress book with complex filters?
ê
êI tried h.from=$ab$, which the help file seems to imply, but that does not
êwork.
ê

The way I got it to work is h.fromid="$ab$" or h.fromid="$ab.bookname$".


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From: commafaq@locutus.ofB.ORG                          10-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 05:08:22
Subj: FAQ: News and Mail: pointer to comp.os.msdos.mail-news FAQs

From: commafaq@locutus.ofB.ORG

Archive-name: msdos-mail-news/pointer
Comp-os-msdos-mail-news-archive-name: pointer
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
Intro-Last-modified: 1998-Sep-27
Software-Last-modified: 1999-Jul-13

Comp.Os.Msdos.MAil-news == c.o.m.ma == comma
FAQ == Frequently Asked Questions

comma is about uucp, mail, and news for msdos or ms-windows or os2.

The comp.os.msdos.mail-news FAQ lists can be obtained via all
news.answers access methods:

quoting the news.answers FAQ:

``
		    Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
/pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name".
Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may
not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name.

  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
by mail server as well.  Send an E-mail message to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on
separate lines for more information.
''

The FAQ lists for comp.os.msdos.mail-news can be found on the Internet:
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.msdos.mail-news/intro>
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.msdos.mail-news/software>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-mail-news/intro/>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-mail-news/software/>

Note that the charter of comp.os.msdos.mail-news _explicitly_ covers
mail, news, and uucp under msdos and compatibles, and used to cover
ms-windows and os2 until they got their own groups (although uucp
under ms-windows didn't, so it can stay).  the FAQs still list
information for os2 users and ms-windows users.

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        10-Oct-99 15:04:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

Has anyone managed to get the OS/2 port of sendmail 8.9.1 working with
Aurora?

I have tried, but get a SYS3173 in TCPIP32.DLL...

IBM's sendmail offers spammers an open mail relay to route mail through
your system, and they have no inclination to provide a fix so I'd like to get
sendmail 8.9.1 working.

And before anyone mentions it, yes, I have heard of INETMAIL, but I've already
paid for a mail daemon, and it would be nice if it worked prpoerly.

According to IBM, this open mail relay feature is not a bug, it was designed
that
way!

--
John

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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            10-Oct-99 09:11:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Spamming the Spammers!

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.

I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
mailing list.

I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
do what I want?

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            10-Oct-99 16:48:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

I think you'll find that spam comes with invalid mail addresses, so you'll
be unable to reply to the originator.
Anyway, do you really think that this approach will work. Won't it just
make it worse?

Ray Appleby wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
>
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their
> mailing list.
>
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
>
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          10-Oct-99 16:01:17
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:11:53, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) 
wrote:

:I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
:mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.

 Yep.
 
:I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
:if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
:hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
:mailing list.

 Then you'd be just as much of an abuser as any spammer. You don't 
fight net abuse with net abuse.
 
:I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
:this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
:programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
:do what I want?

 Instead of risking losing your 'net account (read cadvision's AUP), 
try fighting UCE in the most effective manner. Forward a copy of the 
UCE with full headers to the postmaster at the domain from which it 
originated, or the abuse dept. of same if you know one exists. I 
always forward a copy to uce@ftc.gov as well; pyramid or Ponzi schemes
go to fraud@uspis.gov and pyramid@ftc.gov.

 The best way to ensure a minimum of spam is to never post to Usenet 
using your "real" email address. I find using a throwaway Hotmail or 
similar email address works wonders; or, if you don't want to deal 
with UCE at all, use a service like brightmail.com

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: nitebird@voicenet.com                             10-Oct-99 12:52:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: nitebird@voicenet.com (Barry Mann)

In <dF1xEfk5flPE-pn2-hqbTwdgldxg0@h-207-148-135-207.dial.cadvision.com>,
on 10/10/99 
   at 09:11 AM, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) said:

>I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
>mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.

>I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
>if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
>hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
>mailing list.

>I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
>this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
>programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
>do what I want?

I don't use Post Road Mailer, but I'm sure that you could create a macro
that would spew out messages. Perl or REXX (with a TCP/IP add-in) will
also facilitate automatic message preparation. Unfortunately, this would
require some programming.

That said, while the above may allow you to vent some steam, I don't
think the above will accomplish your objective.

Much of the SPAM I receive is sent through innocent servers that have a
security hole. It is possible to "relay" mail through a server. In
effect one sends a message to a server with instructions to forward the
message to xxx@ccc.yyy. It is also possible to include a fake origin and
return address.

If you send a mail bomb to the server that forwarded the mail to you,
all you will accomplish is making their life more miserable than it
already is. Their server throughput has been soaked up by the thousands
of messages pushed through by the SPAMMER and now may have thousands of
irate net users complaining or attempting to punish them with a barrage
of messages.

If you successfully bomb the originating person, they are likely to seek
revenge by returning the favor. If this person has a network of friends,
they will chip-in and your account will be flooded to the point that you
will probably have to change your email address. 

It is often possible to find an upstream service providor of the message
server (but this is not necessarily the SPAMMER's ISP) if you execute
TRACERTE and give the IP address of the last server to sign the message
header. This address is derived from the router at your ISP and is
difficult to fake.

Once I've identified the server, I'll send a _brief_, _polite_ message
to the provider to alert them to the problem. Many will get back to me
in an hour or so thanking me for the alert and assuring me that they
have shut down the account or shut down the relay. Some servers are
obviously set-up for the convenience of SPAMMERs because they will not
accept any messages and TRACERTE becomes trapped in a circular string of
IP addresses.

I have noticed that I receive more SPAM on weekends than during the
week, usually from a corporate or university server. This suggests that
the SPAMMER probed the server, found a hole and started sending messages
while the server staff was off for the weekend. Eventually, the someone
will notice, plug the SPAM hole and the SPAMMER will move on to
victimize another server -- there's an almost endless supply.

You might check with your ISP, many are now taking an active role. There
are some national services that attempt to attract SPAM and will alert
subscribing ISP's immediately when a new message enters the mail stream
so that the ISP can block similar messages sent to their users.

The FTC is happy to accept any SPAM you care to forward to
<uce@ftc.gov>. They are collecting and cataloging SPAM. While they are
not routinely going after petty SPAMMERs, I suspect that some of the
larger and most obvious frauds will be forwarded to Justice.

-----------------------------------------------------------
nitebird@voicenet.com (Barry Mann)
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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 13:02:25
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) said:

>I find using a throwaway Hotmail or similar email address works wonders; 

It would be better to use a fictitious domain so they don't pile up in
servers.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             10-Oct-99 15:05:15
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

When I tried sending using a fictitious domain name, DataTone refused to pass
on
the message and accused *me* of being a spammer. But DataTone *will* let me
use a
fictitious user name.

Alan

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) said:
>
> >I find using a throwaway Hotmail or similar email address works wonders;
>
> It would be better to use a fictitious domain so they don't pile up in
servers.
>
> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 15:08:24
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:56:29
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com> said:

>When I tried sending using a fictitious domain name, DataTone refused to pass
>on the message and accused *me* of being a spammer. But DataTone *will* let
me
>use a fictitious user name.

I see.  Interesting.  My ISP was sending messages through to me even if I used 
a
fictitious user name, so I started using the fictitious domain name.  To each
his own I guess.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         10-Oct-99 21:15:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:08:49 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com> said:
>
>>When I tried sending using a fictitious domain name, DataTone refused to
pass
>>on the message and accused *me* of being a spammer. But DataTone *will* let
me
>>use a fictitious user name.
>
>I see.  Interesting.  My ISP was sending messages through to me even if I
used a
>fictitious user name, so I started using the fictitious domain name.  To each
>his own I guess.
>
You just need to configure your smtp stuff to bounce mail to unknown
usernames. If you reply to this one it'll bounce because my system will
object to user "noone".

Of course, if you've got some sort of POP3 setup then you're stuck.


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 19:17:08
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk> said:

>You just need to configure your smtp stuff to bounce mail to unknown
usernames.

I know that works.  I'm only saying it still clogs the ISP with spam.  If your
ISP will permit fictitious domain names as mine does, it will not be delivered
to either you or your ISP.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               10-Oct-99 23:52:06
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article
<dF1xEfk5flPE-pn2-hqbTwdgldxg0@h-207-148-135-207.dial.cadvision.com>,
	rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) writes:
> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
> 
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
> mailing list.

I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
reasons:

- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
  through.
- On those occasions when the return address is real, the account is a
  "throwaway" account that the spammer doesn't intend to use.  You'll just
  ignore the spammer's ISP, who's probably a victim, too.
- Spammers sometimes use forged return addresses that correspond to people
  they want to attack, and rely upon people to complain and (the spammer
  hopes) get the victim kicked off the Internet, or at least left
  dealing with thousands of angry messages.
- Replying with hundreds of replies is itself an abuse of the Internet
  that's likely to get YOU in hot water with your own ISP.

If you want to know about LEGITIMATE methods of fighting spam, I suggest
you pick up the O'Reilly book, _Stopping Spam_, by Alan Schwartz & Simson
Garfinkel.  There's little or nothing on the topic on OS/2 and OS/2
programs specifically, but there's lots of useful general-purpose
information.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 22:44:03
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) said:
>I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
>reasons:

>- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
>  through.

Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if they
don't have an address or have a fake address?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               11-Oct-99 04:10:22
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article <38014f2b$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
	lifedata@xxvol.com writes:
> rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) said:
>>I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
>>reasons:
> 
>>- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
>>  through.
> 
> Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if
they
> don't have an address or have a fake address?

You need to examine the mail headers.  Most mail clients don't show these
to you by default, but most do have an option to reveal them.  They may
or may not get saved when you save the mail to a file.  Here's an
annotated example (I've changed a few details to protect those who may be
innocent victims, and trimmed extraneous headings):

: From mailman@luftland.com  Thu Sep 23 09:15:56 1999
: Return-Path: <mailman@luftland.com>

These two lines aren't terribly informative.

: Delivered-To: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

You may or may not see this line. If present, it should be your own e-mail
address.

: Received: from luftland.com (server.jbpublishing.com [198.137.152.250])
:         by adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id
B554270921
:         for <rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net>; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 
09:
: 15:55 -0400 (EDT)
: Received: from localhost (nmd_serv@localhost)
:         by luftland.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19957;
:         Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:28:09 -0700 (PDT)

These are the core of the matter.  Each system that receives an e-mail
message adds a "Received" header, which takes the form "from
sender.address by current.address" (possibly with extra stuff added, as
above).  Many MTAs (mail transfer agents -- the e-mail server software)
include the IP address of the machine from which it's received the
message (I've changed it above).  The one at the top ("from
luftland.com") is the most recent.  In this case, it was my DSL-connected
computer, which received a message from server.jbpublishing.com, aka
luftland.com (I've altered the names and IP address).  The next line
reveals that a mail server calling itself luftland.com received its mail
from localhost (the name most UNIX systems give themselves for internal
use).  This spam is unusual in that it has only the two Received: lines,
indicating that the spammer's machine talked DIRECTLY to mine.  If you
receive mail via a POP server, there'll be at least three Received:
lines.  Spammers' ISPs often add another, so four isn't unusual. 
Sometimes networks relay mail through several machines, so the total can
go even higher.

Normally, the LAST Received: line is the one that contains the critical
information.  Most spam has a final Received line that indicates it was
received by some ISP's mail server from a dialup PPP link.  The one I've
just quoted is unusual in that the spam appears to have originated on the
same system as the MTA, and that system is a UNIX system that appears to
have its own IP address (not a dialup account).  You normally want to
report the spammer to the abuse and/or postmaster accounts at the ISP(s)
involved.  For instance, if the Received: line showed that mail was
received by mail2.someisp.net from ppp-23298-a.someisp.net, then you'd
send e-mail to abuse@someisp.net and/or postmaster@someisp.net.  If you
have access to whois, you can also try doing "whois someisp.net", which
should get you assorted information, including postal addresses, phone
numbers, and administrative contacts.

All this said, spammers can do things to throw you off.  For instance,
they can use "stolen" PPP accounts, accounts opened under false names,
and open mail relays.  The last of these are systems that are
misconfigured to accept and forward mail from non-local sites.  (This
used to be accepted common courtesy on the Internet, but in today's spam
climate, open relays are generally considered to be Bad Things.)  For
instance, a spammer using a dialup PPP account from someisp.net could
point e-mail software to smtp.dumbadmin.com and send out e-mail.  The
people at dumbadmin.com would then get e-mail complaining of the spam. 
You can spot this by the Received: line -- it would show mail received
from ppp-23298-a.someisp.net by smtp.dumbadmin.com.  In this case, you
should send mail to both dumbadmin.com AND someisp.net.  (My
DSL-connected Linux box has actually been subjected to unsolicited probes
by spammers to determine if it's an open relay, which it isn't.)

Spammers also sometimes add bogus Received: headers.  These will typically
be separated from other Received: headers by additional e-mail headers,
and they may contain nonsensical information.  Sometimes the spammer's own
system adds the first Received: header, as when the spammer uses a UNIX
system on a dialup ISP line.  The system name will probably be localhost,
something bogus, or something that reveals the client nature of the system
(like my own hostname, adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net).

: Received: by luftland.com (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:37:41
-0700

This Received: header seems to have been added by the mailer program. 
It's not terribly useful.

: To: Mail_List_Subscriber@luftland.com

This is nearly useless.

: From: mailman@luftland.com

This is easily forged.

: Message-ID: <bulk.8113.19990922153741@luftland.com>

The message ID sometimes contains a clue about the origin.  It's a unique
ID for the mail.  It generally consists of a code generated by the mail
program (bulk.8113.19990922153741) followed by the originating computer.

Various MTAs and other mail software add various additional headers, most
of which are useless in tracking the mail to the source.

If you want to learn more, check out _Stopping Spam_ from O'Reilly.  I've
got a link to its page on Amazon.com on my web page, if you're interested:
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod/books.html

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: bhk@dsl.co.uk                                     11-Oct-99 00:58:05
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})

On Sunday, in article
     <38011f1b$2$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com> lifedata@xxvol.com
     wrote:

> "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk> said:
> 
> >You just need to configure your smtp stuff to bounce mail to unknown
usernames.
> 
> I know that works.  I'm only saying it still clogs the ISP with spam.  If
your
> ISP will permit fictitious domain names as mine does, it will not be
delivered
> to either you or your ISP.

But what may be a fictitoius name today might be some poor bugger's real
domain tomorrow --- at which point, THEY get all the spam you've been
avoiding.

To emphasize this point, many moons ago someone best known as {R}
registered the node nospam.demon.co.uk which some people had been using,
(albeit that it was strictly against the AUP of Demon Internet).  (Richard
did this, inter alia, as a favour to other Demonites, but also performed
statistical analysis on the UCE that the node attracted.)

What's to prevent someone registering the domain xxvol.com tomorrow? 

Most AUPs (well, those that have any clue themselves, and are respectful
of the troubles that can be caused otherwise) will only permit one to use
an address which CANNOT cause undesired traffci to be delivered, or
attempted to be delivered, to anyone else, now OR IN THE FUTURE.

Now if the "fictitious" top-level domain nospam were to be registered
(preferably with a wildcard MX record pointing to [127.0.0.1]) then
anyone could validly use that.  But at present no such domain exists
(although many people appear to post from it).  So placing such a
fictitious TLD into the UCEers' "50 million mailboxes" database means
that each UCE sender imposes an unnecessary burden upon the limited
(there's only 14 of them) root nameservers that support the DNS.

(Actually, this burden isn't as great as it might sound: apparently, of
the queries received by these root servers [well, those that are ONLY
root servers], just 1.5% is traffic enquiring after a genuine top-level
domain.  A further 3.5% are enquiries for non-existent [ie "fictitious"]
TLDs.  The remaining 95% are enquiries for the domains WORKGROUP and
DEFAULT [the respective defaults for WfWG/Win'9[58] and WinNT].  Sigh!)

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                         bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "But we're a university.  We /have/ to have a library!..."said Ridcully,
         "What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the library?"
    "Students", said the Senior Wrangler, morosely. [TP: The Last Continent]

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From: aballardNOSPAM@ix.netcom.com                      11-Oct-99 12:01:21
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: ProNews/2

From: aballardNOSPAM@ix.netcom.com

Hello,

I wish to change my name as it appears in the from field of a usenet 
post for all subscribed groups.

Somehow, I have some changed, others not changed.

How can I change them all and once -- and make them stay changed?

Thanks!

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          11-Oct-99 15:18:26
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:44:06, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

:>- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
:>  through.
: 
:Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if
they
:don't have an address or have a fake address?

 Learn to read email headers so that you can determine the domain 
where the spam originated.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com                           11-Oct-99 18:41:15
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: ProNews/2

From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com (George Czerw)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:01:42, aballardNOSPAM@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I wish to change my name as it appears in the from field of a usenet 
> post for all subscribed groups.
> 
> Somehow, I have some changed, others not changed.
> 
> How can I change them all and once -- and make them stay changed?
> 
> Thanks!

Pro-News has a number of different tabs, where you may set "default" 
settings for "all newsgroups" as well as for individual newsgroups.  
In the window settings for each newsgroup subscribed to, you may 
choose either to use the "group default" settings for that individual 
newsgroup, or you may turn off the group defaults and set special 
defaults for that newsgroup.  I suspect that you have turned the "use 
group defaults" settings off in some newsgroups.

George

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:01:28
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: ProNews/2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:01:42, aballardNOSPAM@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I wish to change my name as it appears in the from field of a usenet 
> post for all subscribed groups.
> 
> Somehow, I have some changed, others not changed.
> 
> How can I change them all and once -- and make them stay changed?
> 
> Thanks!

For the GLOBAL  ProNews/2-> Settings Group defaults-> page 3, and 
change it.

Now, for the REAL trick, IF you set this in (essentially) the same 
settings in an individual news group, you also need to change it 
there. Open the window on the news group-> Group-> Group settings-> 
User, and either check  Use Group Defaults (to use the global 
settings), or change the information for that group.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:11:53, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) 
wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
> 
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
> mailing list.
> 
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

I quit returning ANYTHING (even Remove requests) to the SPAMMERS. All 
it seems to do, is CONFIRM that they have a real , live, address, so 
they can add your name to more SPAM lists. I just set up a filter. If 
the mail isn't addressed, specifically, to me, it goes into a separate
mail bin. Then I scan, real quick, to see if something slipped through
that I really do want to keep, save that, and trash the rest.

If the SPAM is actually addressed to me, I try to send a note back to 
the webmaster of the domain that it came from. Sometimes that works. 
Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
you are wasting your time.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        11-Oct-99 19:55:24
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: sendmail command line options

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

I know it possible to send an email from the command line using IBM's
sendmail, but I've forgotten the syntax, and am a long way from my
manuals.

Can someone remind me, please?

--
John

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               11-Oct-99 22:18:03
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: Re: Sharing news between OS/2 and NT

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Soren Ager wrote:

>
> I have been using Changi before. I was looking for a news reader not a
> news server. Maybe I will look into it if I don't find a news reader
> for both OS/2 and NT.
>

Yarn is a quite good VIO offline mail/newsreader with DOS, OS/2 and Win32
versions.
You use a soup-type program to exchange news and mail.

There is, of course, always Netscape Communicator. You could set up both the
Win2
and OS/2 versions to use the same user directory.


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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               11-Oct-99 18:50:15
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Alan Beagley wrote:

> When I tried sending using a fictitious domain name, DataTone refused to
pass on
> the message and accused *me* of being a spammer. But DataTone *will* let me
use a
> fictitious user name.
>

Too bad. If everybody verified that the sender was real, most spammers (who
use bogus
id's) would be out of business.


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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                11-Oct-99 20:01:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: sendmail command line options

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello John.

11 Oct 99 19:55, John Poltorak wrote to All:

 JP> @RFC-NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 1999 20:04:03 GMT
 JP> From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

 JP> I know it possible to send an email from the command line using
 IBM's
 JP> sendmail, but I've forgotten the syntax, and am a long way from
 my
 JP> manuals.


This is what I use to send a quick email from the OS/2 command prompt

sendmail email@address.com <enter>
type your message
control-z to end and send the message


Derek


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From: letoured@nospam.net                               11-Oct-99 18:44:05
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: letoured@nospam.net

>:Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if
they
>:don't have an address or have a fake address?

> Learn to read email headers so that you can determine the domain  where
>the spam originated.

I think the best way to end spam is for everyone, everywhere, to forward
the crap to the members of Congress who have voted against outlawing it!  
-- Let their staff deal with it too.


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: ysme@sympatico.ca                                 12-Oct-99 01:01:02
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: PMMail - where are my messages????HELP!

From: ysme@sympatico.ca

In <37E9F82D.B9B4072B@NOSPAM.optusnet.com.au>, Michael Block
<mblock@NOSPAM.optusnet.com.au> writes:
>suddenly I have 'lost' the content of all my email messages - those


>                                                        Suggestions
>please?
>


Back up, backup, back up!


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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             12-Oct-99 01:58:09
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: sendmail command line options

From: jsjones@selectric.net

Yes.

SENDMAIL -af (filename) -f (user@localhost) (user@foreignhost)

In <380240c4.0@katana.legend.co.uk>, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John
Poltorak) writes:
>I know it possible to send an email from the command line using IBM's
>sendmail, but I've forgotten the syntax, and am a long way from my
>manuals.
>
>Can someone remind me, please?

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: Brian@webone.com.au                               12-Oct-99 16:38:07
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: PMMail - where are my messages????HELP!

From: Brian@webone.com.au

1) Do not panic
2) this seems to happen when a particular folder gets full.
3) Try  FOLDER - REINDEX
Brian


<kLvM3.6718$Jp4.9099@news20.bellglobal.com>, ysme@sympatico.ca writes:
>In <37E9F82D.B9B4072B@NOSPAM.optusnet.com.au>, Michael Block
<mblock@NOSPAM.optusnet.com.au> writes:
>>suddenly I have 'lost' the content of all my email messages - those
>
>
>>                                                        Suggestions
>>please?
>>
>
>
>Back up, backup, back up!
>
>

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    12-Oct-99 05:47:03
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 10:16:26
Subj: Re: sendmail command line options

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <380240c4.0@katana.legend.co.uk>,
jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak) wrote:
>I know it possible to send an email from the command line using IBM's
>sendmail, but I've forgotten the syntax, and am a long way from my
>manuals.
>
>Can someone remind me, please?

At an OS/2 command line, enter "tcphelp sendmail".

-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: michael.warmuth@wu-wien.ac.at                     12-Oct-99 15:04:15
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: Michael Warmuth <michael.warmuth@wu-wien.ac.at>

On 10.10.99, 15.04.47, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak) 
wrote regarding "sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora":

> Has anyone managed to get the OS/2 port of sendmail 8.9.1 working with
> Aurora?

> I have tried, but get a SYS3173 in TCPIP32.DLL...
[...]

No help, but: Same here with Warp 4.0 FP 12, TCP/IP 4.1 MPTN WR08620.

I am interested in a solution, too.

Greetings
Michael

-- 
Michael Warmuth                   Austria  - The place in the 
http://www.os2forum.or.at/        heart of Europe where no 
http://www.osiconsult.co.at/      kangaroos are hopping around





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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               12-Oct-99 21:33:26
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:12
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Michael Warmuth wrote:

> On 10.10.99, 15.04.47, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)
> wrote regarding "sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora":
>
> > Has anyone managed to get the OS/2 port of sendmail 8.9.1 working with
> > Aurora?
>
> > I have tried, but get a SYS3173 in TCPIP32.DLL...
> [...]
>
> No help, but: Same here with Warp 4.0 FP 12, TCP/IP 4.1 MPTN WR08620.
>
> I am interested in a solution, too.
>

Try Weasel instead.


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From: anti-spam.d89-tgl@nada.kth.se                     12-Oct-99 15:51:04
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: anti-spam.d89-tgl@nada.kth.se (Tobias Gladh)

:>I quit returning ANYTHING (even Remove requests) to the SPAMMERS. All 
:>it seems to do, is CONFIRM that they have a real , live, address, so 
:>they can add your name to more SPAM lists. I just set up a filter. If 
:>the mail isn't addressed, specifically, to me, it goes into a separate
:>mail bin. Then I scan, real quick, to see if something slipped through
:>that I really do want to keep, save that, and trash the rest.
:>
:>If the SPAM is actually addressed to me, I try to send a note back to 
:>the webmaster of the domain that it came from. Sometimes that works. 
:>Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
:>you are wasting your time.

I use the same approach (it's very effective), except that I throw away
everything that isn't addressed to me. This means I have to have additional
filters for the mailing lists before this filter, but it's definitely worth
it.
I never see the spam, not even the subject, thereby defeating their purpose.

As an aside, what mailer are you using? I use MR/2 ICE, and I like the
filtering
it has.

Another good method is to never end up on their spam-lists in the first place,
by mutilating your mail-address when you post in a newsgroup. Maybe they can
pick out my real address, but I don't think so, as I receive virtually no spam
addressed to me. My presence in their lists probably stems from my innocent
period on KTH, before I met the harsh reality of real life :-)

Once they get your address, you end up on their SPAM-CDs, which they sell to
each other, forever.

I wouldn't mind to be able to send an electronic "torpedo" at the spammers,
especially when you get an ad about the millons of addresses they have on
their damned CDs.

/Tobias Gladh
 M.Sc. C.Sc. & E.

Remove 'anti-spam.' to reply.



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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          12-Oct-99 15:03:15
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:02:00, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
Bissett) wrote:

:Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
:you are wasting your time.

 Hotmail has a fairly strict anti-spam policy, and they're usually 
quick to nuke spammers.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                12-Oct-99 10:35:03
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: PMMail - where are my messages????HELP!

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

In comp.os.os2.mail-news article <3802d757.0@iridium.webone.com.au>
Brian@webone.com.au wrote:
: 1) Do not panic
: 2) this seems to happen when a particular folder gets full.

What do you mean, full?  Is there a limit?

: 3) Try  FOLDER - REINDEX

In a folder with 7,535 messages, on a 486dx2-80, this took around two
days.


: Brian


: <kLvM3.6718$Jp4.9099@news20.bellglobal.com>, ysme@sympatico.ca writes:
:>In <37E9F82D.B9B4072B@NOSPAM.optusnet.com.au>, Michael Block
<mblock@NOSPAM.optusnet.com.au> writes:
:>>suddenly I have 'lost' the content of all my email messages - those
:>
:>
:>>                                                        Suggestions
:>>please?
:>>
:>
:>
:>Back up, backup, back up!
:>
:>



-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

       Little by little, we subtract
       Faith and fantasy from fact,
       The illusory from the true,
       And starve upon the residue.
               -Samuel Hoffenstein

 

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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            12-Oct-99 14:37:17
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

In <7tvldd$t4g$1@yggdrasil.utfors.se>, on 10/12/99 
   at 03:51 PM, anti-spam.d89-tgl@nada.kth.se (Tobias Gladh) said:

>I use the same approach (it's very effective), except that I throw away
>everything that isn't addressed to me. This means I have to have
>additional filters for the mailing lists before this filter, but it's
>definitely worth it.
>I never see the spam, not even the subject, thereby defeating their
>purpose.

>As an aside, what mailer are you using? I use MR/2 ICE, and I like the
>filtering
>it has.

Same here.

How do you set up your filter to trash everything that is not addressed to
you personally?  I'd like to do this too.

--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 12 
There are 29 Processes with 119 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 3d 7h 11m 11s 62ms.


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From: admiral@channel1.com                              12-Oct-99 21:25:08
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: PMMail Mail list

From: Admiral <admiral@channel1.com>

Hi,

	Used to subsribe to this but I think it changed hands.  Can
anyone provide a link or address so I can re-subscribe?

TIA

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From: webmaster@aawc.com                                12-Oct-99 21:21:08
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: How to export email from PMMail

From: William Richard Jones <webmaster@aawc.com>

 I need to import my mail messages from PMMail mail. Does anybody know
of an utility that
will convert PMMail mail messages into a form that is usable by another
major email
product (i.e., OutLook, Eudora, pegasus, etc)?  Due to business reasons
and
performance issues with PMMail, I need to move several thousand
messages.  I need to
move my messages to an email product that is upgradeable. I expect high
email volume
in the near future; consequently, would like have all my emails in one
email application.

Any advice or suggestions will be humbly appreciated.

Regards,

William

(William R. Jones)
webmaster@aawc.com

====================================
>From: "PMMail Windows Support" <pmmailwin@southsoft.com>
>To: "webmaster@aawc.com" <webmaster@aawc.com>
>Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:13:12 -0400
>Subject: Re: How to export emails from PMMail 98 v2?
>
>| haven't been asked this one before, so I am searching.  But I am
having
>no luck in finding converting PMMail to Outlook, or anything for that
matter.
>I am thinking maybe a switch to another mailer, and then a conversion
from
>it to Outlook, but I can't find any 'mediary' conversion.
>
>I am not certain, but I believe that Netscape stores its messages as
.MSG
>files as well.  Maybe convert PMMail to Netscape somehow, and then it
>should be easy to find a utility for Netscape to Outlook.
>

This is not correct.

>I'll keep on the lookout and let you know.
>
>
>jimmy
>
>Jimmy McCorquodale, Jr.
>
>PMMail 2000 2.10.0434 Pro
>
>homepage:  http://www.southsoft.com
>email:           pmmailwin@southsoft.com
>ICQ:             45476579
>
======================================

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          13-Oct-99 10:47:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:37:34, postmaster@[127.0.0.1] a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> In <7tvldd$t4g$1@yggdrasil.utfors.se>, on 10/12/99 
>    at 03:51 PM, anti-spam.d89-tgl@nada.kth.se (Tobias Gladh) said:
> 
> >I use the same approach (it's very effective), except that I throw away
> >everything that isn't addressed to me. This means I have to have
> >additional filters for the mailing lists before this filter, but it's
> >definitely worth it.
> >I never see the spam, not even the subject, thereby defeating their
> >purpose.
> 
> >As an aside, what mailer are you using? I use MR/2 ICE, and I like the
> >filtering
> >it has.
> 
> Same here.
> 
> How do you set up your filter to trash everything that is not addressed to
> you personally?  I'd like to do this too.

Filter Description: Not Mailed to Me
Search Type: Simple
Search Areas for: To 
  and: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
Process When Message: Doesn't match
Filter Type: Inbound

Desired Actions: Copy to folder "Pitched"
Disposition: Keep message out of the inbox

Put this filter at the bottom of your list of correspondents, so you don't 
lose a piece of mail from someone you know.

And I do my filtering as a two-stage process, starting with the "Not Mailed
To Me" filter. I periodically go through my "Pitched" folder to see if 
there are any multiple mailings with "From" domains or other elements I can
identify to and search on, to add to my "Spammers" filter, which *is* a 
PreFetch filter.

Works great, and I *never* conceal my email address in USENET postings.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          13-Oct-99 18:50:28
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: PMMail Mail list

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:25:17, Admiral <admiral@channel1.com> wrote:

:	Used to subsribe to this but I think it changed hands.  Can
:anyone provide a link or address so I can re-subscribe?

 listar@rpglink.com

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 13-Oct-99 23:43:05
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:24
Subj: Re: How to export email from PMMail

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  William,

  Most email packages have some import utilities to read other applications
mail.  You'll have to check with the manufacturer for your new email product
to see if they have an import facility from PMMail.  I know Eudora has one.
The format is simple enough.  SouthSoft keeps it in the standard mail format.
Outlook would be a problem unless some other soul has saved you the trouble
of writing  few batch files.  You can always mail everything to your new
system.

  Good luck,

  David LaRue

In <380408B0.509D65EF@aawc.com>, William Richard Jones <webmaster@aawc.com>
writes:
>
> I need to import my mail messages from PMMail mail. Does anybody know
>of an utility that
>will convert PMMail mail messages into a form that is usable by another
>major email
>product (i.e., OutLook, Eudora, pegasus, etc)?  Due to business reasons
>and
>performance issues with PMMail, I need to move several thousand
>messages.  I need to
>move my messages to an email product that is upgradeable. I expect high
>email volume
>in the near future; consequently, would like have all my emails in one
>email application.
>
>Any advice or suggestions will be humbly appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>
>William
>
>(William R. Jones)
>webmaster@aawc.com
>
>====================================
>>From: "PMMail Windows Support" <pmmailwin@southsoft.com>
>>To: "webmaster@aawc.com" <webmaster@aawc.com>
>>Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:13:12 -0400
>>Subject: Re: How to export emails from PMMail 98 v2?
>>
>>| haven't been asked this one before, so I am searching.  But I am
>having
>>no luck in finding converting PMMail to Outlook, or anything for that
>matter.
>>I am thinking maybe a switch to another mailer, and then a conversion
>from
>>it to Outlook, but I can't find any 'mediary' conversion.
>>
>>I am not certain, but I believe that Netscape stores its messages as
>..MSG
>>files as well.  Maybe convert PMMail to Netscape somehow, and then it
>>should be easy to find a utility for Netscape to Outlook.
>>
>
>This is not correct.
>
>>I'll keep on the lookout and let you know.
>>
>>
>>jimmy
>>
>>Jimmy McCorquodale, Jr.
>>
>>PMMail 2000 2.10.0434 Pro
>>
>>homepage:  http://www.southsoft.com
>>email:           pmmailwin@southsoft.com
>>ICQ:             45476579
>>
>======================================
>

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From: void@nospam.demon.nl                              12-Oct-99 21:54:18
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:24
Subj: Re: sendmail command line options

From: huug <void@nospam.demon.nl>

>>>>> "John" == John Poltorak <jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk> writes:

John> I know it possible to send an email from the command line using
John> IBM's sendmail, but I've forgotten the syntax, and am a long way
John> from my manuals.

John> Can someone remind me, please?

Don't you have online documentation?  "Assistence Center -> Information ->
Tasks -> TC/IP Guide"

sendmail -a file -f from -t to

-- 
Note: I reserve the right to publish or return unsolicited, harassing or 
annoying (e-)mail.  /hy:x/                               PGP keyID: 0xDF28F4C1
"All are strange but thee and me; but sometimes thee acts funny."- Chuck Blake

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From: void@nospam.demon.nl                              12-Oct-99 21:11:06
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:24
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: huug <void@nospam.demon.nl>

>>>>> "John" == John Poltorak <jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk> writes:

John> Has anyone managed to get the OS/2 port of sendmail 8.9.1 working
John> with Aurora?

Not even on Warp4: it just keeps disappearing.

John> I have tried, but get a SYS3173 in TCPIP32.DLL...

John> IBM's sendmail offers spammers an open mail relay to route mail
John> through your system, and they have no inclination to provide a fix
John> so I'd like to get sendmail 8.9.1 working.

John> And before anyone mentions it, yes, I have heard of INETMAIL, but
John> I've already paid for a mail daemon, and it would be nice if it
John> worked prpoerly.

Peter Moylan (peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au) wrote a small POP/SMTP server
called Weasel, which is very inexpensive (0 to 20 US$) and looks much
easer to setup then Sendmail.  The latest version of Weasel is normally
kept at ftp://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au/software

John> According to IBM, this open mail relay feature is not a bug, it
John> was designed that way!

When it was designed - 10 years ago? - there weren't any spammers yet so
you wouldn't loose your account for running an open relay.  Nowadays,
IBM ought to be blacklisted itself for daring to continue shipping such
dangerous software. 

-- 
Note: I reserve the right to publish or return unsolicited, harassing or 
annoying (e-)mail.  /hy:x/                               PGP keyID: 0xDF28F4C1
"All are strange but thee and me; but sometimes thee acts funny."- Chuck Blake

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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                13-Oct-99 17:36:07
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: PMMail, Attachments, and application calling

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

I have a strange problem with attachments.  Some work, others don't, and
I can't see why.  For instance,  I have one with a .txt extension,
properly opened by E.EXE, as noted in the settings.  However, I can't
open the attachment, and I get a WinOS2 error message (!) about invalid
path.

I then typed the full path to the program, F:\EEE\E.EXE (which is on the
path in config.sys) and still, a WinOS2 error.  I moved the %s to the
program line, and I get, yep, a WinOS2 error.

JPGs work, GIFs don't.  Go figure.  PMView is registered for all picture
files, both within and without PMMail.  (Oh, and it is registerd withthe
authors as well!)

Any ideas here?  

-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

 If you don't want to convict the innocent, you have got to pay a
 price. The price is to acquit a certain amount of guilty people. The
 question is: how many guilty people are we prepared to acquit on the
 basis of reasonable doubt in order to be sure we are not convicting
 the innocent?
           - Chief Justice Antonio Lamer
             Supreme Court of Canada
             quoted in: HALIFAX DAILY NEWS  February 7, 1999


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From: jmprice@calweb.com                                13-Oct-99 18:34:06
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: PMMail, Attachments, and application calling

From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>

Never mind.  I found it.  There is semingly an association to NOTEPAD of
all the damned things....


-- 
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1

The universal chaos has within it a diverse anarchy
       giving rise to order and pattern.
  -  unknown

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           14-Oct-99 16:35:12
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Sendmail 8.9.3 on Hobbes 

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <38038D1D.48DF5512@powertech.no>, on 10/12/99 
   at 09:33 PM, Bj rn Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> said:

I have just uploaded OS/2 port of sendmail 8.9.3.1 to Hobbes, currently
in ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming/sendmail8.9.3.zip , proposed
placement
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/mail/server/sendmail8.9.3.zip
. This one reportedly works with Aurora. You will need to have EMX 0.9d
with emxfix 2 installed. Configuration samples and standard
documentation (as well as the source code) are included.

Note that I am not an author of this port nor that I bear any
responsibility for its quality and/or features.

Cheers,
Ivan

>Michael Warmuth wrote:

>> On 10.10.99, 15.04.47, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)
>> wrote regarding "sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora":
>>
>> > Has anyone managed to get the OS/2 port of sendmail 8.9.1 working with
>> > Aurora?
>>
>> > I have tried, but get a SYS3173 in TCPIP32.DLL...
>> [...]
>>
>> No help, but: Same here with Warp 4.0 FP 12, TCP/IP 4.1 MPTN WR08620.
>>
>> I am interested in a solution, too.
>>

>Try Weasel instead.


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
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From: Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG                              14-Oct-99 13:08:02
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG (Tim Stephen)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:33:52 +0200, Bj›rn Vermo wrote:
>
>Try Weasel instead.
>
>

Weasel looks okay but (1) is there support from the author? and (2)
it seems to require that all incoming mail be sorted into a
predetermined list of known user's mailboxes.  That is a bad idea in
circumstances in which you want to accept mail generally rather than
rejecting mail to unknown users.  We've run about 30 listserv lists
on our system as well as personal mailboxes for the last 15 years and
its not a good idea for us to return mail that naive users have addressed
to major-domo, majordomo, listproc, listserv, listserve, listserver,
comserve, comserv, comsve, etc. etc.  You can set up aliases for these
variations but you won't know what new twists your overactive SMTPD
has rejected.

INETMAIL unlimited user edition has author support and the
capability to turn off verification that mail is to a "known user".
Unfortunately INETMAIL unlimited is pretty expensive, especially
is you really just want it to be a non-relay-accepting SMTPD replacement.


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From: kentuckybob@att.net                               14-Oct-99 11:59:22
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: How to export email from PMMail

From: kentuckybob@att.net

It appears you are moving to a windows system, correct?

for OS/2, MR2ICE is still being upgraded.  there is a REXX program to
convert at http://nick.secant.com/mr2ice.htm

bob




In <380408B0.509D65EF@aawc.com>, on 10/12/99 
   at 09:21 PM, William Richard Jones <webmaster@aawc.com> said:


> I need to import my mail messages from PMMail mail. Does anybody know of
>an utility that
>will convert PMMail mail messages into a form that is usable by another
>major email
>product (i.e., OutLook, Eudora, pegasus, etc)?  Due to business reasons
>and
>performance issues with PMMail, I need to move several thousand messages. 
>I need to
>move my messages to an email product that is upgradeable. I expect high
>email volume
>in the near future; consequently, would like have all my emails in one
>email application.

>Any advice or suggestions will be humbly appreciated.

>Regards,

>William

>(William R. Jones)
>webmaster@aawc.com

>====================================
>>From: "PMMail Windows Support" <pmmailwin@southsoft.com>
>>To: "webmaster@aawc.com" <webmaster@aawc.com>
>>Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:13:12 -0400
>>Subject: Re: How to export emails from PMMail 98 v2?
>>
>>| haven't been asked this one before, so I am searching.  But I am
>having
>>no luck in finding converting PMMail to Outlook, or anything for that
>matter.
>>I am thinking maybe a switch to another mailer, and then a conversion
>from
>>it to Outlook, but I can't find any 'mediary' conversion.
>>
>>I am not certain, but I believe that Netscape stores its messages as
>..MSG
>>files as well.  Maybe convert PMMail to Netscape somehow, and then it
>>should be easy to find a utility for Netscape to Outlook.
>>

>This is not correct.

>>I'll keep on the lookout and let you know.
>>
>>
>>jimmy
>>
>>Jimmy McCorquodale, Jr.
>>
>>PMMail 2000 2.10.0434 Pro
>>
>>homepage:  http://www.southsoft.com
>>email:           pmmailwin@southsoft.com
>>ICQ:             45476579
>>
>======================================

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------

Robert Underwood - kentuckybob@att.net
OS/2 Warp 3.0 (Fixpack 39): MR2/ICE 1.62 (Registered)

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From: gbierman@fnmail.com                               14-Oct-99 11:52:20
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: Grant Bierman <gbierman@fnmail.com>

In <7u4kjk$krq$1@news.monmouth.com>, on 10/14/99 
   at 01:08 PM, Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG (Tim Stephen) said:

>Weasel looks okay but (1) is there support from the author? and (2) it
>seems to require that all incoming mail be sorted into a predetermined
>list of known user's mailboxes.  That is a bad idea in circumstances in
>which you want to accept mail generally rather than rejecting mail to
>unknown users. 

I run weasel, and after a bit I go it sorted out to accept mail from
anyone/anywhere and send it on. Just put in * for acceptable destinations
and for acceptable sources, works fine for me.  One ofo several very good
programs that the author puts out and updates. 

As for support I have yet to need to contact them myself, but have seen
them active in the newsgroups.

------------------[ Web Master/Author For Hire ]-----------------
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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    15-Oct-99 05:35:09
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

Grant Bierman <gbierman@fnmail.com> wrote:
>In <7u4kjk$krq$1@news.monmouth.com>, on 10/14/99 
>   at 01:08 PM, Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG (Tim Stephen) said:
>
>>Weasel looks okay but (1) is there support from the author? and (2) it

The author (that's me) spends a lot of time in the OS/2 newsgroups,
and new versions of Weasel come out from time to time.

>>seems to require that all incoming mail be sorted into a predetermined
>>list of known user's mailboxes.  That is a bad idea in circumstances in
>>which you want to accept mail generally rather than rejecting mail to
>>unknown users. 

An interesting point.  My attitude has been that "unknown user" mail
should be bounced immediately, so that the sender knows that he's
addressed it badly.  However it would be feasible in principle to
add an option that says that all mail to unknown users should be
routed to a special mailbox.  You'd also have the opportunity in
that case to use a smart filter that tried to figure out the most
sensible destination.  I'd never use such an option myself, but I can
appreciate that others might want it.  I'll take a look soon to see
how easy this would be to implement.

>I run weasel, and after a bit I go it sorted out to accept mail from
>anyone/anywhere and send it on. Just put in * for acceptable destinations
>and for acceptable sources, works fine for me.

I wouldn't recommend running it that way. It means that you've
turned your mail server into an open relay. That's OK if you're running
a private internet, or something like that, but if you're connected to
the real internet then the junk mailers will find you sooner or later.
I'd suggest that you tune the "acceptable sources" to be the purely
local machines, or the machines belonging to your own users, or
some variation on that theme.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG                              15-Oct-99 13:09:06
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: sendmail 8.9.1 & Aurora

From: Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG (Tim Stephen)

On 15 Oct 1999 05:35:18 GMT, Peter Moylan:

>An interesting point.  My attitude has been that "unknown user" mail
>should be bounced immediately, so that the sender knows that he's
>addressed it badly.  However it would be feasible in principle to
>add an option that says that all mail to unknown users should be
>routed to a special mailbox.  You'd also have the opportunity in
>that case to use a smart filter that tried to figure out the most
>sensible destination.  I'd never use such an option myself, but I can
>appreciate that others might want it.  I'll take a look soon to see
>how easy this would be to implement.

Hi Peter!

    That's great news.  This is exactly our situation.  With Sendmail as
the SMTP receiving agent, all our incoming mail is directed to
C:\tcpip\etc\mail and our own smart filter detects the new mail and
figures out what to do with it.  We support a large academic community
with a big range of services and just need a reliable SMTPD that is
relay-proof.  No other functionality is required for us because its all
implemented in other software we evolved and need to continue to use.
I'd rather have the unknown user items to look at (in case there's
some obvious little address problem that I can sort out manually) than
to reject out of hand.

Many thanks.

Tim Stephen
CIOS

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 15-Oct-99 14:35:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:17
Subj: Re: PMMail, Attachments, and application calling

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

I have the same problem.  Have yet to be able to work it out :(  My
associations are correct, because if I drag the attachment to the
desktop, then double click on it, it opens with the application I
want.

sigh..
Craig



John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

>I have a strange problem with attachments.  Some work, others don't, and
>I can't see why.  For instance,  I have one with a .txt extension,
>properly opened by E.EXE, as noted in the settings.  However, I can't
>open the attachment, and I get a WinOS2 error message (!) about invalid
>path.
>
>I then typed the full path to the program, F:\EEE\E.EXE (which is on the
>path in config.sys) and still, a WinOS2 error.  I moved the %s to the
>program line, and I get, yep, a WinOS2 error.
>
>JPGs work, GIFs don't.  Go figure.  PMView is registered for all picture
>files, both within and without PMMail.  (Oh, and it is registerd withthe
>authors as well!)
>
>Any ideas here?  
>
>-- 
>John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
>Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!
>  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
>Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683
>                     Syndicate Section III - Number 1
>
> If you don't want to convict the innocent, you have got to pay a
> price. The price is to acquit a certain amount of guilty people. The
> question is: how many guilty people are we prepared to acquit on the
> basis of reasonable doubt in order to be sure we are not convicting
> the innocent?
>           - Chief Justice Antonio Lamer
>             Supreme Court of Canada
>             quoted in: HALIFAX DAILY NEWS  February 7, 1999
>
>

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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             15-Oct-99 18:48:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <WiQtt4WDEbXf-pn2-fjRwO9FZFcrM@vcn45.pm3-1.chey.wy.vcn.com>,
piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) writes:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:02:00, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
>Bissett) wrote:
>
>:Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
>:you are wasting your time.
>
> Hotmail has a fairly strict anti-spam policy, and they're usually 
>quick to nuke spammers.

They can be as quick as they want.  Hotmail's filtered out on 
my mailer because of spam.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: dmaceld@i-55.com                                  15-Oct-99 16:36:29
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Mac Eld <dmaceld@i-55.com>

The only problem with that is many spammers use fake addresses. Your idea
will backfire as you get hundreds of 'undeliverable' notices back. :-( I
may be wrong but I suspect that many spammers who do use legit addresses
want you to respond. That validates the accuracy of your address. Then
you'll never stop getting spam from them and whoever else they share your
address with. I've found the best solution is to just ignore the msgs.

Ray Appleby wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
>
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their
> mailing list.
>
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
>
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.



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