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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     08-Oct-99 19:45:23
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

In <37FD5EE4.26B2@earthlink.net>, on 10/07/99 
   at 11:03 PM, "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net> said:

>yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:
>> 
>> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
>>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
>> 
>> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.  You can't get
>> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.  Unless you
>> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are screwed.
>> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater sound chips
>> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.  They have no
>> plans to.  They have moved onto chips with higher margins and greater
>> capabilities.
>> 
>> Give IBM a big round of applause for finally killing OS/2.
>> 
>> Roland
>> 

>I don't follow your logic here (or it is imprecisely written,  or I'm not
>reading it correctly): if this only applies to the ESS based cards, how
>does that account for 60 % of OS/2 users ? I doubt that many are using
>ESS.  At the moment, I've got 4  soundcards here (trying to line up the
>best one for Warp), and  *none* of them are ESS-based.  If you're saying
>that FP-12  breaks *any* installed soundcard -- and this turned out to be
>true -- that would indeed be serious.  But, to date, I haven't  heard
>this assertion anywhere else.

The ESS chipset is used enmasse by notebook vendors...the one product you
can't put a sound card in.  Any of the "generic" mail order places
shipping a box with a sound card and not specifying the brand is shipping
a generic card with an ESS chipset on it as that is their primary
market...as one poor sole in this thread found out.  The sad part is that
ESS has no interest in writing drivers for anything but their "current"
chipset line which leaves about 3 model years worth of notebook and
generic sound card owners swinging in the breeze.

I did get FP12 to seemingly function with the SB-16 card in my workstation
at home, but that is the only box FP-12 seems to function on.  Everything
else is a serious kludge of work arounds and do withouts.

The sad irony of all this, if memory serves me correctly, is that several
models of the IBM notebooks use the ESS chipset.  Not like they had to
travel far for a test machine is it????

Roland

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     08-Oct-99 20:01:24
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

In <7tlpp3$93f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 10/08/99 
   at 10:04 PM, ned_snow@my-deja.com said:

>In article
><37fd372d$1$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net >,
>  yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:
>> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
>>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
>>
>> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.
>You can't get
>> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.
>Unless you
>> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are
>screwed.
>> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater
>sound chips
>> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.
>>

>This appears not to be the case. I am running Warp 4/FP12 with an Eagle
>ESS1869 base card, and the sound is fine. When I
>installed FP11 and got the expected trap, I found this driver via a deja
>search of the OS/2 newsgroups. It can be obtained here:

>http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html

>( Thanks Duane! ).

>The ESS drivers are the first thing on the page.

ESS drivers are only going to be available for the "new" chipsets.  The
ones which have been in production for well over a year are on their own. 
ESS isn't even releasing the sourcecode so someone else could fix it.  (I
would, gladly!)

Roland


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From: bergeronml@videotron.ca                           08-Oct-99 20:42:05
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Netbios over IP timeout?

From: Martin Bergeron <bergeronml@videotron.ca>

I'm using 2 Os/2 servers with a netbios over tcp/ip shared drives.  If a
server
go down, the other server try to reach the server that just came down
"SYN_SENT" for
about 120 seconds.  Is there a way to change the timeout for the
"SYN_SENT" to end
more quickly?.  Because that situation affect the stack ip very hard,
and can stop
all tcp/ip connections...

Thank you in advance!

Martin

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From: sma@spam-not.rtd.com                              09-Oct-99 00:44:23
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Re: Problem adding LPT2: to Warp 4 System!?

From: James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com>


Kim Haverblad wrote:
> 
> Added an another ISA-card with 2 extra printer ports. Currently now I'm only
> using one of the extra, LPT2: using IRQ 9. Windoze for ones figured this one
> out and works fine with the new extra port. But, OS2 won't find it. Have
also
> defined the ISA-card in bios and added the irq just in case.
> 
    Does the same IRQ service both ports on the add-on card? If so, you
likely need a special driver.
    Do you have a Soundblaster-syle sound card? Those usually set
themselves up with what are normally LPT interrupts (7 and 5). If
possible, change the sound IRQ to something else.
    Do you have the /IRQ switch on the PRINT01.SYS driver?
    Try disabling the on-board LPT (LPT1:) and see what is discovered by
the system.
    Go to System Setup, Hardware Manager->Properties->Next System
Restart Only and choose Full Hardware Detection.
    Also run RMVIEW /irq to see what the system (sort of) thinks is in
use. (Not very reliable but worth a try.)


-- 

sma at rtd dot com
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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            09-Oct-99 02:11:27
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

Is that you, Linus?

cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:

> I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
> vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip
drives,
> new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my time
and effor to
> this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was the
smart
> and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability, a
fresh user
> interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has come
> to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2 and
> to Windows 2000.
>
> Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete
access
> to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current as
you would
> like. As of 10/08/99  There are far more applications for Linux than there
are
> for OS/2 because of VMWARE (www.vmware.com)  Linux can run every NT
application,
> most Windows 3.1 application and most dos applications. The K desktop is
superior
> to Presentation Manager.  The linux shell's are superior to Rexx. Not to
fear there is
> even a rexx for Linux.
>
> If the OS/2 users really want to vote with their dollars, then Linux is the
superior
> choice. I am posting this message from OS/2 Warp.  However I am enjoying
SusE 6.2
> Linux that contains
>                          ViaVoice for Linux
>                          Java for Linux
>                          DB2 for Linux
>                          Most other useful programming languages invented
>                          X Windows
>                          Slick IDE's and debbugers
>                          K
>                          QT
>                          Plug N Plag
>                          PCI compatibility
>                          Compatibility for large hard drives
>                          Slick, superior window managers.
>                          Internet capabilities to die for
>                          Security to die for etc.
>
> How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world? i.e. IA-64  how will it compare to
> Monterey or Linux?  If OS/2 were open source then we could upgrade it,
maintain
> it. However, that's not the case. IBM has dogged us for sound financial
reasons.
>
> Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the
books away.
> Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look back.
>
> It will be painful at first.  But will be the smartest move you ever make.
>
>                             Open Source is the future
>                             Linux is open source
>                             Linux has a future
>
> K is Corba Compliant.  K has multiple virtual desktops.  K is superior to
> Presentation Manager in every way that really counts.
>
> Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
> really counts.
>
> Most importantly you have complete control over your environment.
>
> Support Open Source.,  Support Linux.,  Take control over your
> Future
>
>
>
>
>

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                08-Oct-99 20:30:04
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Re: OS/2 nominations sought for SharewareJunkies.com Awards

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Opencity wrote:
> 
> Nominations for the year's best shareware programs are being sought for the
> fourth annual SharewareJunkies.com Awards, to be presented on January 3,
2000
> by the popular Internet site SharewareJunkies.com.  Net surfers are invited
to
> cast their votes at http://www.sharewarejunkies.com between now and December
> 15.
> 
> The 2000 SharewareJunkies.com Awards will consist of five categories: four
are
> specific to individual operating systems--Best Windows Program, Best
Macintosh
> Program, Best OS/2 Program, Best DOS Program--and the fifth celebrates the
Best
> Freeware Program, which is open to a product running on any operating system 
as
> long as it is available at no cost.  The program which receives the highest
> number of votes will be named Best Program of the Year.
> 
> Previous winners of the SharewareJunkies.com Award for Best Program have
been
> Hot Dog, the HTML authoring tool from Sausage Software, Download Butler, a
> desktop utility from Lincoln Beach Software, and ClipMate, a utility for
> enhancing the native clipboard functionality of the Windows operating system
> from Thornsoft Development.
> 
> For more information, e-mail info@sharewarejunkies.com or visit
> SharewareJunkies.com at http://www.sharewarejunkies.com.
>         # # #


That FREEWARE one just has to be Star Office.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: mel_in_ohio@my-deja.com                           09-Oct-99 01:46:27
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: New HP ScanJets (6300C) work with OS/2 ??

From: mel_in_ohio@my-deja.com

Has anyone updated the FAQ's or been
successful in getting the newer
Scanjets to work with OS/2 ?


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: mschmidt@home.com                                 09-Oct-99 02:48:19
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Locked Files

From: Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@home.com>

Hi ho,

Warp 4, fixpack 10, I'm trying to install tcp/ip, all is well until the
reboot, at which time I get a message that I have insufficient disk
space to process the locked files. This doesn't seem likely, as there
are 604 mb free. MPTS, much less tcp/ip, needless to say, won't work.
Any suggestions?

Cheers.

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From: acarmon@dreamscape.com                            08-Oct-99 22:06:00
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: Re: Problem adding LPT2: to Warp 4 System!?

From: Al Carmon <acarmon@dreamscape.com>

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Kim,

OS/2 has a driver for parallel ports, PRINT01.SYS that likes to use the
default IRQ's and addresses, such as:

LPT1  IRQ - 7   address   3BC
LPT2  IRQ - 7   address   378
LPT3  IRQ - 5   address   278
or
LPT1  IRQ - 7   address   3BC
LPT2  IRQ - 5   address   278
or
LPT1  IRQ - 7   address   378
LPT2  IRQ - 5   address   278

The default method for controlling the ports is by polling.  This is
often the most trouble-free.  You can change to the interupt method by
adding /irq parameter in config.sys, such as:
BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS /irq
I have good luck with this, its seems much faster.

Make sure that the ports you are using have OS2 for the file extension,
such as : LPT1.OS2 - EVEN FOR WINDOWS APPS. Edit them into WIN.INI
adding them into the ports section.

The default install for PRINT01.SYS is three ports.  If you want more,
you have to add them.  You can install ports directly into the
OS2SYS.INI file.  There is a simple REXX file to do this:


/*add LPT4 and LPT 5 into OS2SYS.INI*/
call RxFuncAdd 'SysIni', RexxUtil', 'SysIni'
do i=4 to 5
  call SysIni 'SYSTEM', 'PM_SPOOLER_PORT', 'LPT' ||i, ';' ||'00' x
end
exit

Also, when you get the ports working, you can add to the memory buffer
for each port in config.sys.  The line:
PRINTMONBUFSIZE=136,136,136   in my config.sys has been changed to :
PRINTMONBUFSIZE=2048,0,0  because I only use LPT1.  Notice that there is
a figure for each installed port.  they have to be there even if you are
not using them.


Al

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<HTML>
<TT>Kim,</TT><TT></TT>

<P><TT>OS/2 has a driver for parallel ports, PRINT01.SYS that likes to
use the default IRQ's and addresses, such as:</TT><TT></TT>

<P><TT>LPT1&nbsp; IRQ - 7&nbsp;&nbsp; address&nbsp;&nbsp; 3BC</TT>
<BR><TT>LPT2&nbsp; IRQ - 7&nbsp;&nbsp; address&nbsp;&nbsp; 378</TT>
<BR><TT>LPT3&nbsp; IRQ - 5&nbsp;&nbsp; address&nbsp;&nbsp; 278</TT>
<BR><TT>or</TT>
<BR><TT>LPT1&nbsp; IRQ - 7&nbsp;&nbsp; address&nbsp;&nbsp; 3BC</TT>
<BR><TT>LPT2&nbsp; IRQ - 5&nbsp;&nbsp; address&nbsp;&nbsp; 278</TT>
<BR><TT>or</TT>
<BR><TT>LPT1&nbsp; IRQ - 7&nbsp;&nbsp; address&nbsp;&nbsp; 378</TT>
<BR><TT>LPT2&nbsp; IRQ - 5&nbsp;&nbsp; address&nbsp;&nbsp; 278</TT><TT></TT>

<P><TT>The default method for controlling the ports is by polling.&nbsp;
This is often the most trouble-free.&nbsp; You can change to the interupt
method by adding /irq parameter in config.sys, such as:</TT>
<BR><TT>BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS /irq</TT>
<BR><TT>I have good luck with this, its seems much faster.</TT><TT></TT>

<P><TT>Make sure that the ports you are using have OS2 for the file extension,
such as : LPT1.OS2 - <U>EVEN FOR WINDOWS APPS</U>. Edit them into WIN.INI
adding them into the ports section.</TT><TT></TT>

<P><TT>The default install for PRINT01.SYS is three ports.&nbsp; If you
want more, you have to add them.&nbsp; You can install ports directly into
the OS2SYS.INI file.&nbsp; There is a simple REXX file to do this:</TT>
<BR><TT></TT>&nbsp;<TT></TT>

<P><TT>/*add LPT4 and LPT 5 into OS2SYS.INI*/</TT>
<BR><TT>call RxFuncAdd 'SysIni', RexxUtil', 'SysIni'</TT>
<BR><TT>do i=4 to 5</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp; call SysIni 'SYSTEM', 'PM_SPOOLER_PORT', 'LPT' ||i, ';'
||'00' x</TT>
<BR><TT>end</TT>
<BR><TT>exit</TT><TT></TT>

<P><TT>Also, when you get the ports working, you can add to the memory
buffer for each port in config.sys.&nbsp; The line:</TT>
<BR><B><TT>PRINTMONBUFSIZE=136,136,136</TT></B><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; in my
config.sys
has been changed to :</TT>
<BR><TT><B>PRINTMONBUFSIZE=2048,0,0</B>&nbsp; because I only use LPT1.&nbsp;
Notice that there is a figure for each installed port.&nbsp; they have
to be there even if you are not using them.</TT>
<BR><TT></TT>&nbsp;<TT></TT>

<P><TT>Al</TT></HTML>

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From: suprdave@aol.comAolsucks                          09-Oct-99 02:09:14
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 04:16:19
Subj: seeking email client for warp connect

From: suprdave@aol.comAolsucks (SUPRDAVE)

Ive got my PS/2 95 up and acessing the web via earthlink, but need suggestions
for a low cost or free email client. For some reason, i cannot get the
ultimail
program to start up after I key in the initial settings. it just clears all
the
fields and prompts for the info again.... anyway, i was dismayed to find out
there's no OS/2 section at tucows anymore. Is there an alternate location for
what used to be there?


D.B. Young.      Team OS/2!
-->this message printed on recycled disk space<--
visit the computers of yesteryear at
http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm
(now accepting donations!)
Delete the obvious (Aolsucks) to reply. 

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From: sperber@airmail.net                               09-Oct-99 05:12:24
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:00
Subj: Wrong CSD level... FP42 or DD1 won't apply!

From: Darryl Sperber <sperber@airmail.net>

I'm baffled.

I just reinstalled Warp Connect and was moving on through the maintenance
steps to get myself up to FP42.  I was at FP37 but made a bunch of hardware
changes (like putting in a new Matrox G400 MAX) and I wanted to "clean house"
with a fresh install.

But my usual "diskette-less" method (using OS2SERV on the unzipped ZIP files
from RSU) which has always worked before now claims that there are "no files
to service".  This approach has always worked for me, both for Warp Connect
and Warp 4... up through FP37 and FP12... with never a problem.

But this new "no files to service" now happens to me consistently on both
FP42 and also on DD1.  I can't figure out why.


As an alternative, I tried using the official RSUINST (1.91) approach.  And
astonishingly, after unzipping the diskette images it complained of the same
problem!  So it, too, was unhappy with something.


Thinking that perhaps I needed to be further along than GA in order for FP42
to be applied, I decided to re-apply my FP37 directory, and lo and behold it
worked perfectly (as it had previously)!  The very same methodology works on
the older FP37, but not on the newer FP42.

With great hope, I then re-tried my FP42 apply... but was hit by the
identical problem I had with my initial attempt:  "no files to service".

I wonder if the FP41 cutover (splitting device drivers from the rest) is
relevant to the mystery.

Anyway, for the time being, I'm now still sitting at FP37 (where I was
before... but now clean again), although I really want to be at FP42... if
only I could get OS2SERV or RSUINST to find something to work on.

Note:  all of these attempts were performed with CSF141, as directed.


Looking at the README documentation (1ST and TIP) for some insights, it seems
that IBM must have run into this problem themselves, in order to
(theoretically) provide clues for how users might get out of this predicament
should it occur.

But I'm very confused by what they say, or how it could have occurred "out of
the box".

I don't understand their English, and I certainly don't follow what they want
me to do as a recovery.  I actually tried renaming SYSLEVEL.OS2 as they
suggest, but that accomplished absolutely nothing.  I also tried renaming the
LOG* files as they suggest, but that too had no effect whatsoever.


As an example of why I'm confused, they claim that the Fixpack only applies
to specific values in SYSLEVEL... such as:

	OS/2 Base Operating System:
	Warp with WIN-OS/2	Current CSD level: XR_3003
	Connect			Component ID: 562274700    

Well in my SYSLEVEL, now that FP37 is applied, my value is:

	IBM OS/2 Base Operating System  
	Version 3.00     Component ID 562274700                     
	Type 0C                                                     
	Current CSD level: XR0W037                                  
	Prior   CSD level: XR03003                                  

That means originally, prior to FP37 going in, it was XR03003... not XR_3003.
And now that FP37 is in, it's XR0W037... which is certainly not XR_3003
either!

So neither of these CSD levels are a match with what Fixpak 42 theoretically
expected... neither before or after FP37 went into my system.

So how could FP42 ever be applied if the expected CSD levels as documented in
the README simply are incorrect (as I see it)?  Doesn't seem like it could
ever pass the check, which certainly corresponds to my results!

Are these typos in the README?  Or do they expect us to equate XR_3003 with
XR03003?  There certainly are lots of mixed references in the FP42
documentation, sometimes to Warp 3 and sometimes to Warp 4.  I know that's
not germane to my problem, but it causes me great doubt on the legitimacy of
their "no files to service" explanations.

And the same exact thing happened when I tried to put in DD1.  Again,
"nothing to service".  So clearly there must be a similar explanation.


Oddly, the Base Drivers entry in my SYSLEVEL (after FP37) shows:

	IBM OS/2 Base Device Drivers 
	Version 3.00     Component ID 562274700                  
	Type 0C                                                  
	Current CSD level: XR0D001                               
	Prior   CSD level: XR03003                               

suggesting that FP37 brought the drivers up to level D001... which, for all I
know, is exactly what the DD1 Fixpack would have done.  But it seems hard to
believe the drivers at FP37 are the same as at the newly released DD1. 

So what was DD1 really supposed to apply?


Boy am I confused.

And frustrated with this "no files to service" mystery. 

HELP!!!  What am I not seeing?

Thanks in advance.


--
//
//  Darryl Sperber  (sperber@airmail.net)
//

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               09-Oct-99 10:36:13
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:00
Subj: Re: Wrong CSD level... FP42 or DD1 won't apply!

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:12:48, Darryl Sperber <sperber@airmail.net> 
wrote:

> 
> I'm baffled.
> 
> I just reinstalled Warp Connect and was moving on through the maintenance
> steps to get myself up to FP42.  I was at FP37 but made a bunch of hardware
> changes (like putting in a new Matrox G400 MAX) and I wanted to "clean
house"
> with a fresh install.
> 
> But my usual "diskette-less" method (using OS2SERV on the unzipped ZIP files
> from RSU) which has always worked before now claims that there are "no files
> to service".  This approach has always worked for me, both for Warp Connect
> and Warp 4... up through FP37 and FP12... with never a problem.
> 
> But this new "no files to service" now happens to me consistently on both
> FP42 and also on DD1.  I can't figure out why.
> 
> 
> As an alternative, I tried using the official RSUINST (1.91) approach.  And
> astonishingly, after unzipping the diskette images it complained of the same
> problem!  So it, too, was unhappy with something.
> 
> 
> Thinking that perhaps I needed to be further along than GA in order for FP42
> to be applied, I decided to re-apply my FP37 directory, and lo and behold it
> worked perfectly (as it had previously)!  The very same methodology works on
> the older FP37, but not on the newer FP42.
> 
> With great hope, I then re-tried my FP42 apply... but was hit by the
> identical problem I had with my initial attempt:  "no files to service".
> 
> I wonder if the FP41 cutover (splitting device drivers from the rest) is
> relevant to the mystery.
> 
> Anyway, for the time being, I'm now still sitting at FP37 (where I was
> before... but now clean again), although I really want to be at FP42... if
> only I could get OS2SERV or RSUINST to find something to work on.
> 
> Note:  all of these attempts were performed with CSF141, as directed.
> 
> 
> Looking at the README documentation (1ST and TIP) for some insights, it
seems
> that IBM must have run into this problem themselves, in order to
> (theoretically) provide clues for how users might get out of this
predicament
> should it occur.
> 
> But I'm very confused by what they say, or how it could have occurred "out
of
> the box".
> 
> I don't understand their English, and I certainly don't follow what they
want
> me to do as a recovery.  I actually tried renaming SYSLEVEL.OS2 as they
> suggest, but that accomplished absolutely nothing.  I also tried renaming
the
> LOG* files as they suggest, but that too had no effect whatsoever.
> 
> 
> As an example of why I'm confused, they claim that the Fixpack only applies
> to specific values in SYSLEVEL... such as:
> 
> 	OS/2 Base Operating System:
> 	Warp with WIN-OS/2	Current CSD level: XR_3003
> 	Connect			Component ID: 562274700    
> 
You have to have a paid subscription to apply fixpacks after 40 to 
Warp 3 or Connect.  Only Server SMP is still supported for free.  
Someone has posted a REXX command that will modify the syslevel file 
to report itself as server smp, but otherwise you either pay or stop 
at 40.

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               09-Oct-99 10:36:15
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:00
Subj: Re: Locked Files

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:48:39, Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@home.com> 
wrote:

> Hi ho,
> 
> Warp 4, fixpack 10, I'm trying to install tcp/ip, all is well until the
> reboot, at which time I get a message that I have insufficient disk
> space to process the locked files. This doesn't seem likely, as there
> are 604 mb free. MPTS, much less tcp/ip, needless to say, won't work.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Cheers.

I used to have that problem.  It's been a while but as I recall the 
problem is when the fixpack installs the locked file driver in 
CONFIG.SYS before the line 
"IFS=D:\OS2\HPFS.IFS"  (or something like that).

check your config.sys and if the HPFS line isn't first, move it there.

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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            09-Oct-99 13:24:19
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:00
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:31:35 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:

>Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
>functionally equivalent to Photoshop?

GIMP/2, even if it is not yet really native. Check
http://www.netlabs.org/gimp/

You need XFree86/2 to run it but a native PM Version is under developement.

cu

Adrian


---
Adrian Gschwend
@ OS/2 Netlabs

ICQ: 22419590
ktk@netlabs.org
-------
The OS/2 OpenSource Project:
http://www.netlabs.org


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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 09-Oct-99 11:46:01
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 10:27:00
Subj: Re: Apology for Misinformation on OS/2

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:58:35, Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk> wrote:

> 
> Well my box (August), says Y2K ready!
> But i seems like that either the fixlevel is not registrated in
> the copy or they have only added the Y2K specific parts of the
> FPs. Since LSS/2 insisted on, that the system was not prepared
> for the install (FP5+).
> 
>  Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark


Peter, 

doesn't it say "YEAR 2000 READY when applicable IBM FixPaks are installed"
on  a round blue label on the front of the box?

If so, it's not Y2K ready.

Jan Swartling
 Blue Soft
 Sweden
 


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From: derwin@airmail.net                                08-Oct-99 21:31:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:24
Subj: Photoshop

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
functionally equivalent to Photoshop?
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              08-Oct-99 20:23:02
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:24
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Thanks Scott! First, you admit it was your screw up, then you fix it,
and finally you make the fix available pronto. I don't know what more we
could ask, except for a possibly few clones of you and the other IBMers
who've been risking life and limb in these newsgroups with us rowdy lot
in the last couple of weeks.

Graham.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                09-Oct-99 00:17:10
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: seeking email client for warp connect

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

suprdave@aol.comAolsucks (SUPRDAVE) said:

>Is there an alternate location for
>what used to be there?

No, but high tail it to :

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           09-Oct-99 01:03:09
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Problem with OS2CDROM.DMD in FixPack 12

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

Folks, I have discovered and solved a nettlesome little problem with
FixPack 12 on my system. 

To make it clear what I have, here is the hardware list:

Tyan Pentium II AT/ATX Motherboard with Intel Pentium II 400 processor
Board set for optimal performance
Adaptec 2940 SCSI Adapter Bios Ver 1.16
IBM 9 gig SCSI Drive as Device 0
SCSI CD ROM Drive as Device 3
SCSI Wangtek 525ES Tape Drive as Device 4
Hewlett Packard ScanJet IIp SCSI scanner as Device 2
ACER ATAPI CD/RW set as Master on Primary IDE Channel
Hayes Optima V.34 External on Com1
USRobotics V.90 External Sporster on Com2
Kensington Expert Mouse on PS/2 Mouseport
SoundBlaster 16 Non PNP Sound Card
2 3.5 Inch Floppies
128 Megs of SDRAM
ATI Rage IIC AGP Video Adapter with 8 Megs of ram
Artisoft Noderunner NIC
Viewsonic 15 Monitor

Here is the problem with OS2CDROM.DMD. The SCSI CD drive cannot read disks
made on the CDRW. It will read ones bought with hardware, etc., but not
ones made here or on other machines. The problem existed whether RSJ's
drivers were loaded or not loaded.

The solution was to drop back to the version from FixPack 10. It allows
the SCSI CD to read all disks no matter where prepared and whether they
are CDR or CDRW's,

It only took 21 reboots to figure out which device driver or dmd was the
cause of the problem. Since it only affected the SCSI drive I figured it
had to be OS2SCSI.DMD, OS2ASPI.DMD, OS2, OS2DASD.DMD, IBM1S506.ADD,
IBMIDECD.FLT, or the actual culprit. Unfortunately, that was the last one
I tried.




--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: william1@teleport.com                             09-Oct-99 05:53:14
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: problem uninstalling a program...

From: william1@teleport.com (williamd)

I recently tried a shareware program called WordWise which 
automatically posts a Bible verse to the desktop at every boot up. 
This not being exactly what I was looking for I grabbed the directory 
folder & put it through the shredder. Now at boot up, at the time the 
desktop appears, I get a popup message saying "Cannot locate 
WordWise.exe. Make sure the path is correct..." Apparently this does 
not originate from config.sys, as it only appears later when the 
desktop icons are appearing. Other than that & the dir, which I 
deleted, where might I look to find & disable the source of this 
annoying popup?

Bill

__
william1@teleport.com

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From: lazaga1@attglobal.net                             08-Oct-99 23:06:13
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: problem uninstalling a program...

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@attglobal.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9.10.99, 5:53:29, william1@teleport.com (williamd) wrote regarding 
problem uninstalling a program...:


> I recently tried a shareware program called WordWise which
> automatically posts a Bible verse to the desktop at every boot up.
> This not being exactly what I was looking for I grabbed the directory
> folder & put it through the shredder. Now at boot up, at the time the
> desktop appears, I get a popup message saying "Cannot locate
> WordWise.exe. Make sure the path is correct..." Apparently this does
> not originate from config.sys, as it only appears later when the
> desktop icons are appearing. Other than that & the dir, which I
> deleted, where might I look to find & disable the source of this
> annoying popup?

> Bill

> __
> william1@teleport.com

Check the Startup folder in the OS/2 System folder.  Also check for an 
entry in Startup.cmd in the root directory, although I don't think it 
should be there.

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@attglobal.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com



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From: thaimann@dmreg.infi.net                           09-Oct-99 01:24:07
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: seeking email client for warp connect

From: "Terry Haimann" <thaimann@dmreg.infi.net>

Yes and try pmmail!

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:17:21 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>suprdave@aol.comAolsucks (SUPRDAVE) said:
>
>>Is there an alternate location for
>>what used to be there?
>
>No, but high tail it to :
>
>http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/
>
>Jim L
>Remove XX from address to Email
>Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.
>
>



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From: thaimann@dmreg.infi.net                           09-Oct-99 01:36:09
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: "Terry Haimann" <thaimann@dmreg.infi.net>

Actually, in the long run I will do the same, but in the short run this isn't
possible.
OS/2 has the best internet chess client that is available and the linux
client is horrible.  
Until linux has a tolerable chess client I will continue to use os2.  I have
an old pentium box 
loaded with linux, and it is nice, but its not quite ready to be my main os. 
In linux's defense
though, it has what is sorely lacking in both os2 and windows world
(security!) As we enter a 
totaly connected world running an os without security is logically comparable
to suicide!

Terry.

On 8 Oct 1999 17:41:58 GMT, cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:

>
>
>I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
>vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip
drives,
>new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my time and 
effor to 
>this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was the
smart
>and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability, a
fresh user
>interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has come
>to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2 and
>to Windows 2000.
>
>Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete
access
>to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current as
you would
>like. As of 10/08/99  There are far more applications for Linux than there
are
>for OS/2 because of VMWARE (www.vmware.com)  Linux can run every NT
application,
>most Windows 3.1 application and most dos applications. The K desktop is
superior
>to Presentation Manager.  The linux shell's are superior to Rexx. Not to fear 
there is
>even a rexx for Linux.
>
>
>If the OS/2 users really want to vote with their dollars, then Linux is the
superior
>choice. I am posting this message from OS/2 Warp.  However I am enjoying SusE 
6.2
>Linux that contains
>                         ViaVoice for Linux
>                         Java for Linux
>                         DB2 for Linux
>                         Most other useful programming languages invented
>                         X Windows
>                         Slick IDE's and debbugers
>                         K
>                         QT
>                         Plug N Plag
>                         PCI compatibility
>                         Compatibility for large hard drives
>                         Slick, superior window managers.
>                         Internet capabilities to die for
>                         Security to die for etc.
>
>How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world? i.e. IA-64  how will it compare to
>Monterey or Linux?  If OS/2 were open source then we could upgrade it,
maintain
>it. However, that's not the case. IBM has dogged us for sound financial
reasons.
>
>Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the books 
away.
>Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look back.
>
>It will be painful at first.  But will be the smartest move you ever make.
>
>                            Open Source is the future
>                            Linux is open source
>                            Linux has a future
>
>K is Corba Compliant.  K has multiple virtual desktops.  K is superior to
>Presentation Manager in every way that really counts.
>
>Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
>really counts.
>
>Most importantly you have complete control over your environment.
>
>Support Open Source.,  Support Linux.,  Take control over your
>Future
>                                                  
>
>                         
>
>
>                  



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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 09-Oct-99 08:44:19
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: Win32

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Rod Smith wrote:
> 
> [Posted and mailed]
> 
> In article <37fe6f84$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
lifedata@xxvol.com writes:

> > What is Win32 as applied to OS/2?  I've seen some talk about it in NGs,
and
> > asked what it is, but got no answer so far.  Is it something that makes
Win 9x
> > software run on OS/2?  If so, how much brainpower does it take to set it
up?
> 
> Win32 is the name of Microsoft's API (application programming interface)
> for 32-bit versions of Windows, such as Windows 95, Windows 98, and
> Windows NT.
> 
> OS/2 4.0 includes a DLL that includes support for many, but not all, of
> the Win32 APIs, but implemented in OS/2's PM GUI.  In theory, this was
> supposed to make it easier for developers to port Windows programs to
> OS/2.  It may have done so, I really don't know, but it's certainly not a
> matter of just recompiling a program, even with that support.
> 
> There's also a project, known as Odin, to produce a means of converting
> existing Win32 programs into OS/2 executables.  This project was formerly
> known as Win32-OS/2, and it's located at http://www.os2ss.com/win32-os2/.
> The idea is that you take an existing Windows binary (MS Word, Solitaire,
> whatever) and run it through a converter and get an OS/2 binary as output.

Hi there!

I'll just add a few things!

Project Odin has got a new home at <http://www.netlabs.org/odin/>
Here it is also explained how Odin Works
<http://www.netlabs.org/odin/ProjectDesign.html>.

It is based on both WINE (a Linux library enabling Linux to run
Win32 apps) and Open32 (The Lotus/IBM library, described by Rod
Smith above, designed to make porting jobs easier).

The goal with Win32-OS2 is to implement a on-the fly converter.
By this I mean a converter that is able to convert the Windows
application to OS/2 while you install it. Thereby eliminating the
demand of having a Windows installed at the side, like WINE
needs.

> Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
> Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                09-Oct-99 02:11:15
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: seeking email client for warp connect

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Terry Haimann wrote:
> 
> Yes and try pmmail!
> 
> On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:17:21 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
> 
> >suprdave@aol.comAolsucks (SUPRDAVE) said:
> >
> >>Is there an alternate location for
> >>what used to be there?
> >
> >No, but high tail it to :
> >
> >http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/
> >
> >Jim L
> >Remove XX from address to Email
> >Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.
> >
> >

Post Road Mailer is now free since Innoval left the OS/2 camp.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 09-Oct-99 07:19:02
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: Problem with OS2CDROM.DMD in FixPack 12

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37fecf68$1$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>, Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> writes:

>Folks, I have discovered and solved a nettlesome little problem with
>FixPack 12 on my system. 
>
snipped
>
>Here is the problem with OS2CDROM.DMD. The SCSI CD drive cannot read disks
>made on the CDRW. It will read ones bought with hardware, etc., but not
>ones made here or on other machines. The problem existed whether RSJ's
>drivers were loaded or not loaded.
>

Uh-oh, spaghetti-ohs . . . . same problem with IDE CD-ROM drives.  FP 42 Warp 
Server SMP cannot read home-made CD-R discs, either. No problem with factory 
CD's. Worked fine at fp 39. IBM Intellistation Z-Pro.

and i was so happy that this fpack fixed the system seizure problem when the 
lockup was left on for very long. Otherwise, this is a good fp here.


>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
>Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
>MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
>Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
>


--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                09-Oct-99 02:37:04
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: Win32

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Peter Jespersen wrote:
> 
> Rod Smith wrote:
> >
> > [Posted and mailed]
> >
> > In article <37fe6f84$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
> lifedata@xxvol.com writes:
> 
> > > What is Win32 as applied to OS/2?  I've seen some talk about it in NGs,
and
> > > asked what it is, but got no answer so far.  Is it something that makes
Win 9x
> > > software run on OS/2?  If so, how much brainpower does it take to set it 
up?
> >
> > Win32 is the name of Microsoft's API (application programming interface)
> > for 32-bit versions of Windows, such as Windows 95, Windows 98, and
> > Windows NT.
> >
> > OS/2 4.0 includes a DLL that includes support for many, but not all, of
> > the Win32 APIs, but implemented in OS/2's PM GUI.  In theory, this was
> > supposed to make it easier for developers to port Windows programs to
> > OS/2.  It may have done so, I really don't know, but it's certainly not a
> > matter of just recompiling a program, even with that support.
> >
> > There's also a project, known as Odin, to produce a means of converting
> > existing Win32 programs into OS/2 executables.  This project was formerly
> > known as Win32-OS/2, and it's located at http://www.os2ss.com/win32-os2/.
> > The idea is that you take an existing Windows binary (MS Word, Solitaire,
> > whatever) and run it through a converter and get an OS/2 binary as output.
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> I'll just add a few things!
> 
> Project Odin has got a new home at <http://www.netlabs.org/odin/>
> Here it is also explained how Odin Works
> <http://www.netlabs.org/odin/ProjectDesign.html>.
> 
> It is based on both WINE (a Linux library enabling Linux to run
> Win32 apps) and Open32 (The Lotus/IBM library, described by Rod
> Smith above, designed to make porting jobs easier).
> 
> The goal with Win32-OS2 is to implement a on-the fly converter.
> By this I mean a converter that is able to convert the Windows
> application to OS/2 while you install it. Thereby eliminating the
> demand of having a Windows installed at the side, like WINE
> needs.

Do you really think this project will ever get off the ground?  It
is certainly something that I would like to see happen, but Odin
and its predecessor have been under development for about two years
now, and I haven't seen any indications of success yet.

I did hear that they had been able to get very simple programs to
run successfully, but that was very early in the game long before the
original development team abandoned it.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: fledermaus@attglobal.net                          03-Oct-99 07:40:16
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: fledermaus <fledermaus@attglobal.net>

Ref:     Append at 10:15:06 on 99/10/02 -0700 (by judithr9@earthlink.net)
Any chance that I can install the spreadsheet only on my PCs?  I would like
a ss that I can run under both OS/2 and LINUX, both of which reside on
my desktop and laptop.
""

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From: sbaker@pcug.org.au                                09-Oct-99 18:11:25
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 11:03:25
Subj: Re: Problem with OS2CDROM.DMD in FixPack 12

From: "Shane Baker" <sbaker@pcug.org.au>

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 07:19:05 GMT, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

>In <37fecf68$1$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>, Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> writes:
>
>>Folks, I have discovered and solved a nettlesome little problem with
>>FixPack 12 on my system. 
>>
>snipped
>>
>>Here is the problem with OS2CDROM.DMD. The SCSI CD drive cannot read disks
>>made on the CDRW. It will read ones bought with hardware, etc., but not
>>ones made here or on other machines. The problem existed whether RSJ's
>>drivers were loaded or not loaded.
>>
>
>Uh-oh, spaghetti-ohs . . . . same problem with IDE CD-ROM drives.  FP 42 Warp 

>Server SMP cannot read home-made CD-R discs, either. No problem with factory 
>CD's. Worked fine at fp 39. IBM Intellistation Z-Pro.

Well, I've installed FP12 - and I've just confirmed that I can read CDs burnt
on an H-P unit running NT.

FYI

Shane Baker
Canberra - Australia's national capital
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From: jricci@.nospam.ibm.net                            09-Oct-99 12:27:27
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Installing OS2 to logical partition

From: jricci@.nospam.ibm.net (Joe Ricci)

To install OS2 on a logical partition,
do I first need to set it as installable under FDISK if the primary 
partition C: has an OS installed?

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     09-Oct-99 13:04:16
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Dragging an exe

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

Hi all

In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
object.  I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
know how I can change this?

Thanks


Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail address>-

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From: pvolsted@image.dk                                 09-Oct-99 14:41:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: peter volsted <pvolsted@image.dk>

hi

> lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
-----

>
> I note, as a curiosity, that in OS/2 System>System Setup>System CLock
> Properties>Year you don't see 2000, you dont see 00 - you see 0.

Long time ago I added: SET SCUsePrettyClock=ON to my config.sys. As a result I 
have
time, date and a timer on the launchpad.
The date though has been shown with 2 digits year.
Caused by the discussion in this thread, I went to commandprompt and entered:
date,
which was shown as the correct date with 4-digits year. I <Entered> not to
change
the date.
Since that my 'pretty clock' has shown the year with 4 digits.

good luck

peter


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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 09-Oct-99 13:09:03
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

>: OS/2 users have been victims of date rape.
>
>	No, we OS/2 users have made our bed and some of us are simply 
>complaining about having to have to lie in it.

hehe, this, IMHO is exactly what has happened.


>: The journey to Linux is not a nearly as painful as the constant slaps in
the
>: face from IBM. Furthermore you really are better off.
>
>	Better off for who is really the only question.  Linux itself I 
>never found that hard to install, but once installed...what do we do with it?
>It's fun to learn and poke around with, but once its time to start some 
>real work, it then becomes a pain in the ass when it doesn't do what you 
>want it to do.

Right now I have to agree with you.  Somewhat less true since
Staroffice for Linux but generally - yes, when its time to stop
playing and start working Linux gets rebooted and OS/2 appears.

Craig

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 09-Oct-99 13:06:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> wrote:

>respect to the present. My version of OS/2 is currently up and working but
>every upgrade or hardware replacement gets tougher and costs more.
>with OS/2 you will make a few more compromises and rationalize a little more
>about what new technology you don't really need.

I cant think of anything right off the top of my head.  As for the
'costs more' - well, good hardware has always cost more, and it will
always be this way.  If our choices are limited somewhat to only the
hardware 'that works' then thats fine by me.


>I wish it were possible but we cannot use OS/2 in a vaccum.  Even if OS/2
>works today, hardware moves on and in some cases exponentially so.  OS/2 is
>no longer the
>wise and prudent choice that it once was.  It is no longer the 'superior
>alternative'.

Whilst some hardware issue might arise in the future - right now,
everything I need works.  Hard drives, scanners, modems, video cards,
sound cards, printers etc etc etc there is literally nothing that does
not work.

Craig


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             09-Oct-99 13:41:22
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:31:07, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

> My OS/2 system runs fine RIGHT NOW. And any upgrades I anticipate in the
> near future (scanner, CD-R, new video card, printer, etc) are not a
> problem. Most of the major brands are still supported. Oooh, lessee, if I
> pick up an Adaptec 2940, Epson scanner, Yamaha CD-R, Matrox G400, Lexmark
> printer,  yup, that's really cheating myself out of premium equipment,
> isn't it?
 
> You've got to stop thinking from the perspective of a programmer. I _like_
> being just a user. I don't have the time or skill to "keep my system
> current" a la the Linux style. Fixpacks I can apply, (especially the RSU),
> but don't as me to re-code and fix the bugs in the OS.
 
This becomes painfully obvious when buying a new system.  I just did and
it was a custom made machine.  In some cases generic driven hardware had
to be chosen that lacked performance.  The option was to buy
unreasonably costly alternatives whose support is questionable in the
long run.  Today that support is even more suspect. 

Then after that, to do a little Web browsing and taking advantage of the
latest gimmicks requires booting another OS.

Stick a fork in it.  It's done.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: nospam@nowhere.com                                09-Oct-99 13:57:29
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: Installing OS2 to logical partition

From: nospam@nowhere.com

Basically, yes.  The Warp x install process will guide you though this.
Select the custom installation option.  It works very well: I have three
copies of OS/2 on my HD, all in their own logical partition.

-- Steve Myers

The E-mail addresses in this message are private property.  Any use of them
to  send  unsolicited  E-mail  messages  of  a  commerical  nature  will be
considered trespassing,  and the originator of the message will be  sued in
small claims court in Camden County,  New Jersey,  for the  maximum penalty
allowed by law.

In <u9oqQtdHfcDx-pn2-P0CudibcSEKM@24.65.56.95.on.wave.home.com>,
jricci@.nospam.ibm.net (Joe Ricci) writes:
>To install OS2 on a logical partition,
>do I first need to set it as installable under FDISK if the primary 
>partition C: has an OS installed?

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From: li_9_thop@plantlife73.com.na                      09-Oct-99 14:18:02
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: Dragging an exe

From: li_9_thop@plantlife73.com.na (Jim Backus)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:04:32, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) 
wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
> object.  I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
> know how I can change this?

Presumably you mean to change the default behaviour - sorry don't know
how to do that, but pressing the shirt key while dragging changes the 
operation from "create shadow" to move.

Jim Backus  OS/2 user because it's better
bona fide replies to jimb(at)jita(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          09-Oct-99 15:07:05
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: Dragging an exe

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:04:32, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) 
wrote:

:In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
:object.  

 I believe it creates a shadow of the *.exe.

:I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
:know how I can change this?

 Open your desktop properties folder, click 'Desktop' and change the 
settings from there.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                09-Oct-99 11:56:15
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 14:41:27
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>>: OS/2 users have been victims of date rape.
>>
>>	No, we OS/2 users have made our bed and some of us are simply 
>>complaining about having to have to lie in it.

>hehe, this, IMHO is exactly what has happened.

Hmmm, I'd say IBM made the bed then cut the legs off it.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    09-Oct-99 16:58:04
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:21
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> 
> No. The problem is that the 1997 driver has a bug in it. It doesn't affect
> anything until you apply the later fixpacks at which point it blows up. 

Oh, then that's bad because that's the only driver there is at the ESS web
site as well!

I had FP11 before my ill-fated attempt at 12 and I did not see any problem
then, but maybe I was lucky? I am now at FP6, so perhaps I should not
tempt fate? There was something I needed from one of the later FPs but I
don't remember what it was.

As of now, I get problems with many install/setup programs that close with
an access violation in DOSCALL1.DLL but it seems that the installations
themselves ran OK (most were used only to recreate desktop objects.)

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                09-Oct-99 12:00:29
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:21
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) said:

>You've got to stop thinking from the perspective of a programmer. I _like_
>being just a user.

 A - M - E - N ! !

It will probably be years before Linux programmers stop programming for other
programmers and start programming for users.  They eat technicalities for
lunch
and expect users to do the same.  Of course it may NEVER change, because 99.9%
of technically minded people cannot grasp the concept of people who are not
technically minded.  It is something their minds are simply unable to
comprehend.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               09-Oct-99 12:00:19
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:21
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users / IA-64

From: Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>

Mooo wrote:
> 
> Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> wrote:
> 
> >respect to the present. My version of OS/2 is currently up and working but
> >every upgrade or hardware replacement gets tougher and costs more.
> >with OS/2 you will make a few more compromises and rationalize a little
more
> >about what new technology you don't really need.
> 
> I cant think of anything right off the top of my head.  As for the
> 'costs more' - well, good hardware has always cost more, and it will
> always be this way.  If our choices are limited somewhat to only the
> hardware 'that works' then thats fine by me.
> 
> >I wish it were possible but we cannot use OS/2 in a vaccum.  Even if OS/2
> >works today, hardware moves on and in some cases exponentially so.  OS/2 is
> >no longer the
> >wise and prudent choice that it once was.  It is no longer the 'superior
> >alternative'.
> 
> Whilst some hardware issue might arise in the future - right now,
> everything I need works.  Hard drives, scanners, modems, video cards,
> sound cards, printers etc etc etc there is literally nothing that does
> not work.
> 
> Craig


I'm not knocking the here and now. And I'm sure that flea markets, and
pawn shops, and
garage sells will extend the life of OS/2 even after IA-64 is the
standard desktop.
Its just my profession won't allow me to program in a vaccum. I need the
latest Prolog
compiler.  I need a full Corba implementation.  I need a complete and up
to date UML
design and development environment. I need current case tools and source
code analysis
tools.  As we move further in time the OS/2 environment is no longer the
choice environment
for software engineers or programmers.  Obsolescence is subtle and can
sneak up on you
very quietly.  Sure the OS/2 users can survive for another few years,
but developers that require
state of the art tools are taking a serious hit with OS/2
notwithstanding those who use the Visual
Age stuff.  Its excellent.  But will I be able to compile a 64-bit OS/2
executable using it?
Will workplace shell and presentation manager be recompiled for the up
and coming 64 bit world?


I remember when it was a 16bit world and the 286 reigned supreme. Many
users and programmers thought that
32 bit was overkill and would never become reality let alone displace
the 8088 and 286.  Now the truth
of the matter is what's a 286?  what's a 386? what's a 486?   If OS/2 is
not ported to IA-64 the
OS/2 community will be museum pieces.

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                09-Oct-99 11:19:23
  To: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            09-Oct-99 16:32:21
Subj: Re: Photoshop

To: Adrian Gschwend <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>
From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Adrian Gschwend wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:31:35 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
> >functionally equivalent to Photoshop?
> 
> GIMP/2, even if it is not yet really native. Check
> http://www.netlabs.org/gimp/
> 
> You need XFree86/2 to run it but a native PM Version is under developement.
> 
> cu
> 
> Adrian
> 
> ---
> Adrian Gschwend
> @ OS/2 Netlabs
> 
> ICQ: 22419590
> ktk@netlabs.org
> -------
> The OS/2 OpenSource Project:
> http://www.netlabs.org


Is Netlabs doing the development of the native PM version, or who?
What's it to be called?
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               09-Oct-99 12:09:00
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:21
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users IA-64

From: Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>

Tim Timmins wrote:
> 
> Is that you, Linus?
> 
> cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:
> 
> > I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
> > vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip
drives,
> > new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my time
and effor to
> > this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was the
smart
> > and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability, a
fresh user
> > interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has
come
> > to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2
and
> > to Windows 2000.
> >
> > Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete
access
> > to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current as 
you would
> > like. As of 10/08/99  There are far more applications for Linux than there 
are
> > for OS/2 because of VMWARE (www.vmware.com)  Linux can run every NT
application,
> > most Windows 3.1 application and most dos applications. The K desktop is
superior
> > to Presentation Manager.  The linux shell's are superior to Rexx. Not to
fear there is
> > even a rexx for Linux.
> >
> > If the OS/2 users really want to vote with their dollars, then Linux is
the superior
> > choice. I am posting this message from OS/2 Warp.  However I am enjoying
SusE 6.2
> > Linux that contains
> >                          ViaVoice for Linux
> >                          Java for Linux
> >                          DB2 for Linux
> >                          Most other useful programming languages invented
> >                          X Windows
> >                          Slick IDE's and debbugers
> >                          K
> >                          QT
> >                          Plug N Plag
> >                          PCI compatibility
> >                          Compatibility for large hard drives
> >                          Slick, superior window managers.
> >                          Internet capabilities to die for
> >                          Security to die for etc.
> >
> > How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world? i.e. IA-64  how will it compare to
> > Monterey or Linux?  If OS/2 were open source then we could upgrade it,
maintain
> > it. However, that's not the case. IBM has dogged us for sound financial
reasons.
> >
> > Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the
books away.
> > Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look
back.
> >
> > It will be painful at first.  But will be the smartest move you ever make.
> >
> >                             Open Source is the future
> >                             Linux is open source
> >                             Linux has a future
> >
> > K is Corba Compliant.  K has multiple virtual desktops.  K is superior to
> > Presentation Manager in every way that really counts.
> >
> > Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
> > really counts.
> >
> > Most importantly you have complete control over your environment.
> >
> > Support Open Source.,  Support Linux.,  Take control over your
> > Future
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

There was once a time when some users and programmers thought that
16bits and the 286 were invincible.
They thought that 32 bits was overkill.  Who will ever need 4gig of
ram?   Now there are many young computer science students that don't
know what a 386 is, let alone 8088 or 286.  The IA-64 will displace our
current technology  soon enough. Will there be any 64-bit Presentation
Manager Programs.  Will there be any 64-bit WorkPlace shell programs. 
Will you be able to compile 'hello world' to 64 bits under OS/2.  If
not, you better start looking for a place for your OS/2 museum now.

Support open Source.
Join the Penguin Stampede
Install a Linux Distribution  today.
Take control of your operating system.

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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               09-Oct-99 12:10:11
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:21
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>

Terry Haimann wrote:
> 
> Actually, in the long run I will do the same, but in the short run this
isn't
> possible.
> OS/2 has the best internet chess client that is available and the linux
> client is horrible.
> Until linux has a tolerable chess client I will continue to use os2.  I have
> an old pentium box
> loaded with linux, and it is nice, but its not quite ready to be my main os.
> In linux's defense
> though, it has what is sorely lacking in both os2 and windows world
> (security!) As we enter a
> totaly connected world running an os without security is logically
comparable
> to suicide!
> 
> Terry.
> 
> On 8 Oct 1999 17:41:58 GMT, cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
> >vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip
drives,
> >new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my time
and effor to
> >this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was the
smart
> >and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability, a
fresh user
> >interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has come
> >to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2
and
> >to Windows 2000.
> >
> >Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete
access
> >to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current as
you would
> >like. As of 10/08/99  There are far more applications for Linux than there
are
> >for OS/2 because of VMWARE (www.vmware.com)  Linux can run every NT
application,
> >most Windows 3.1 application and most dos applications. The K desktop is
superior
> >to Presentation Manager.  The linux shell's are superior to Rexx. Not to
fear there is
> >even a rexx for Linux.
> >
> >
> >If the OS/2 users really want to vote with their dollars, then Linux is the 
superior
> >choice. I am posting this message from OS/2 Warp.  However I am enjoying
SusE 6.2
> >Linux that contains
> >                         ViaVoice for Linux
> >                         Java for Linux
> >                         DB2 for Linux
> >                         Most other useful programming languages invented
> >                         X Windows
> >                         Slick IDE's and debbugers
> >                         K
> >                         QT
> >                         Plug N Plag
> >                         PCI compatibility
> >                         Compatibility for large hard drives
> >                         Slick, superior window managers.
> >                         Internet capabilities to die for
> >                         Security to die for etc.
> >
> >How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world? i.e. IA-64  how will it compare to
> >Monterey or Linux?  If OS/2 were open source then we could upgrade it,
maintain
> >it. However, that's not the case. IBM has dogged us for sound financial
reasons.
> >
> >Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the
books away.
> >Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look back.
> >
> >It will be painful at first.  But will be the smartest move you ever make.
> >
> >                            Open Source is the future
> >                            Linux is open source
> >                            Linux has a future
> >
> >K is Corba Compliant.  K has multiple virtual desktops.  K is superior to
> >Presentation Manager in every way that really counts.
> >
> >Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
> >really counts.
> >
> >Most importantly you have complete control over your environment.
> >
> >Support Open Source.,  Support Linux.,  Take control over your
> >Future
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


SuSE 6.2 is pretty hot.

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From: stantowianski@home.com                            09-Oct-99 16:34:06
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: OS/2 driver for AVA-2902A for cd-rw

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

Hi,

I just bought a Smart & Friendly CD-RW Turbowriter
and it comes with an Adaptec AVA-2902A fast pci-scsi adapter.

I want to use this in OS/2 and Linux.  Anyone know of a driver
for this?  Is there a driver that will work that's listed under a
different
card series name (78x0, 7850/ 7860), etc...

Any help would be appreciated.
Please email as well as newsgroup.
Thanks.

Stan Towianski
stantowianski@home.com


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From: andrie@attglobal.net                              09-Oct-99 16:45:28
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: which CD-R for OS/2?

From: "Hans Andrieáen" <andrie@attglobal.net>

John Mandeville schrieb:

> >    I'm interested in adding a rewritable CD drive to my system.  Which
> > one(s) are supported by OS/2?  Does anyone have any recommendations?
> 
> Check the RSJ web site http://www.rsj.de/ for their list of supported
> drives.  I use a Teac R55S, but it is not rewritable.

Yamaha CRW4260 together with RSJ here.
Without problems and dozends of burned CDs and CDRWs.

Bye/2
Hans

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             09-Oct-99 10:04:19
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In
<B11B8D252554098E.918570DA92A35212.BD6754C0209ACC34@lp.airnews.net>,
on 10/08/99 
   at 09:31 PM, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> said:

>Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
>functionally equivalent to Photoshop?

There is a PhotoGraphics Pro 2.02 available for download at the True
Spectra site for those interested in evaluation.  30 day trial,

http://www.truespectra.com/support.html

I downloaded the product and wrote to ask about
registering.  I promptly got an e-mail with a registration code that
unlocked it.  

To register and unlock the product you open a session. Then use a
RMB -> about -> unlock now -> and paste your key into the dialog box
that appears.  I of course, used the key they sent me.  Previous
users may be able to use the old one.


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               09-Oct-99 13:08:27
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 01:36:18 -0400 (EDT), Terry Haimann wrote:

>>Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the
books away.
>>Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look back.

To IBM it would be doing them a favor.

I would think to get revenge on them, you should purchase non-IBM hardware
only, copy and mail a receipt for each purchase and let them know why you
would not consider their hardware. Unless, they bring back OS/2 or sell it,
to an aggressive software company.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             09-Oct-99 10:17:09
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: seeking email client for warp connect

From: bstephan@redshift.com

I like MR/2 ICE. You can get the trial version at
http://cartman.secant.com/nick/mr2i162.zip


In <19991008220928.09764.00000518@ng-fi1.aol.com>, on 10/09/99 
   at 02:09 AM, suprdave@aol.comAolsucks (SUPRDAVE) said:

>Ive got my PS/2 95 up and acessing the web via earthlink, but need
>suggestions for a low cost or free email client. For some reason, i
>cannot get the ultimail program to start up after I key in the
>initial settings. it just clears all the fields and prompts for the
>info again.... anyway, i was dismayed to find out there's no OS/2
>section at tucows anymore. Is there an alternate location for what
>used to be there?


>D.B. Young.      Team OS/2!
>-->this message printed on recycled disk space<--
>visit the computers of yesteryear at
>http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm
>(now accepting donations!)
>Delete the obvious (Aolsucks) to reply. 


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             09-Oct-99 11:04:15
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 16:32:22
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
> functionally equivalent to Photoshop?


It isn't functionally equivalent but TrueSpectra Photo Graphics was just
released into the public domain and is native PM OS/2.  You can download
a copy from Hobbes at:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/graphics/imagepro/tspg202s.zip

Colorworks v2 is also very good and native OS/2 but no longer
distributed.  If you can find a copy, somewhere, though it's worth a
look.  Finally, there's Embellish from Dadaware that is also native OS/2
and reportedly quite good.  You can read reviews and download a demo at:

http://www.dadaware.com/

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    09-Oct-99 18:54:21
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:25
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

 <ned_snow@my-deja.com> writes:
> 
> This appears not to be the case. I am running Warp 4/FP12 with
> an Eagle ESS1869 base card, and the sound is fine. When I
> installed FP11 and got the expected trap, I found this driver
> via a deja search of the OS/2 newsgroups. It can be obtained
> here:
> 
> http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html

The 1869 driver is indeed newer than my original one, but it does not seem
to work. I renamed the old driver and copied this one into \MMOS2, then
rebooted. I got no error during the boot process, but when I try to play a
CD I get no sound, and when I try to play an MP3 with PM123 I get the
following error: "MCI Error 5134: No device driver found."

Rebooting with Alt-F2 shows that the driver is indeed not loaded as far as
I can tell. The line in config.sys is:

DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\ES1869DD.SYS /B:220 /D:1 /F:3 /I:5 /C:4 /M:300,1 /W:0
/N:ES18691$

I restored the 1997 driver and it loaded fine.

Pierre, still at FP6
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             09-Oct-99 11:39:01
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:25
Subj: Re: New MS-6167 BIOS

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

WolfgangHaas wrote:
> 
> I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> i have worked with all BIOS features )

Don't know if it will help but MSI released a new BIOS v1.3 for the
MS-6167 on 10/7/99.  You can download it at:

http://www.msi.com.tw/technical/Bios/mainboard/6167.htm

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               09-Oct-99 19:02:20
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:25
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

John Hong wrote:

>         A lot of computer users in general, not just OS/2 users, have
> been waiting on Linux to be more ready for their liking.  I've been
> waiting since 1998...how long will it take already?

I remember a period of some ten years when everybody said that
thebreakthrough for UNIX was imminent. Now, some years after the
breakthrough finally took place, we see that it did not mean that EVERYBODY
ahould adopt it.

There was also a rather long period when columnists wrote about the upcoming
breakthrough for Windows. As we all know, it did not take place until the
product was already obsolescent.





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From: bdavis@fn.net                                     09-Oct-99 19:34:10
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:25
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users IA-64

From: bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:09:00, Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> wrote:

> Tim Timmins wrote:
> > 
> > Is that you, Linus?
> > 
> > cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:
> > 
> > > I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
> > > vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip 
drives,
> > > new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my
time and effor to
> > > this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was
the smart
> > > and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability,
a fresh user
> > > interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has
come
> > > to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2 
and
> > > to Windows 2000.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete
access
> > > to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current
as you would
> > > like. As of 10/08/99  There are far more applications for Linux than
there are
> > > for OS/2 because of VMWARE (www.vmware.com)  Linux can run every NT
application,
> > > most Windows 3.1 application and most dos applications. The K desktop is 
superior
> > > to Presentation Manager.  The linux shell's are superior to Rexx. Not to 
fear there is
> > > even a rexx for Linux.
> > >
> > > If the OS/2 users really want to vote with their dollars, then Linux is
the superior
> > > choice. I am posting this message from OS/2 Warp.  However I am enjoying 
SusE 6.2
> > > Linux that contains
> > >                          ViaVoice for Linux
> > >                          Java for Linux
> > >                          DB2 for Linux
> > >                          Most other useful programming languages
invented
> > >                          X Windows
> > >                          Slick IDE's and debbugers
> > >                          K
> > >                          QT
> > >                          Plug N Plag
> > >                          PCI compatibility
> > >                          Compatibility for large hard drives
> > >                          Slick, superior window managers.
> > >                          Internet capabilities to die for
> > >                          Security to die for etc.
> > >
> > > How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world? i.e. IA-64  how will it compare to
> > > Monterey or Linux?  If OS/2 were open source then we could upgrade it,
maintain
> > > it. However, that's not the case. IBM has dogged us for sound financial
reasons.
> > >
> > > Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the
books away.
> > > Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look
back.
> > >
> > > It will be painful at first.  But will be the smartest move you ever
make.
> > >
> > >                             Open Source is the future
> > >                             Linux is open source
> > >                             Linux has a future
> > >
> > > K is Corba Compliant.  K has multiple virtual desktops.  K is superior
to
> > > Presentation Manager in every way that really counts.
> > >
> > > Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
> > > really counts.
> > >
> > > Most importantly you have complete control over your environment.
> > >
> > > Support Open Source.,  Support Linux.,  Take control over your
> > > Future
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> There was once a time when some users and programmers thought that
> 16bits and the 286 were invincible.
> They thought that 32 bits was overkill.  Who will ever need 4gig of
> ram?   Now there are many young computer science students that don't
> know what a 386 is, let alone 8088 or 286.  The IA-64 will displace our
> current technology  soon enough. Will there be any 64-bit Presentation
> Manager Programs.  Will there be any 64-bit WorkPlace shell programs. 
> Will you be able to compile 'hello world' to 64 bits under OS/2.  If
> not, you better start looking for a place for your OS/2 museum now.
> 
> Support open Source.
> Join the Penguin Stampede
> Install a Linux Distribution  today.
> Take control of your operating system.

You hit the nail on head, long live SuSE.

Brian Davis (bdavis@fn.net)

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       09-Oct-99 21:47:19
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:25
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

The extra one I've got is marked VDM (PID 20).
PID 2 Is Marked SystmVDM

Henk

Scott E. Garfinkle wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:02:03 -0500, Irv Spalten wrote:
> 
> >> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
> >> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
> To alleviate confusion, I've made the following changes to PSTAT. These
> changes will be in effect for FP13, FP43, and Aurora FP?:
>         1. Internel kernel threads are now marked as (kernel)
>         2. "minivdm" threads spawned by the internal int13 and int10
services
> are marked as "SystmVDM".
>         3. Regular dos/win apps are marked as "VDM".
> I am not inviting suggestions for changes to this, please! You can get, for
> the next couple of days, a copy of the changed pstat as
> ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/os2/pstat.zip.  Once it goes away,
> please don't ask me for it again, though.
>         thanks to all, scott

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From: IHateSPAM@montypython.org                         09-Oct-99 15:49:29
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:25
Subj: Adding SMP support to a Warp Connect Desktop?

From: "Larry Belan" <IHateSPAM@montypython.org>

I've been running Warp Connect and Warp Server SMP on my desktop for a while
now, but both systems are different HD partitions where one CAN'T disturb the
other.

Since I've really been working with the 'connect' system a lot longer, I'd
really like to just add the SMP (kernel???) and forget about the SMP
partition.  My desktop, applications and the related settings, ini's, winos2,
etc. are all there on the connect side.

Can I get away with just installing SMP over the connect partition, or find
some other way to shoehorn in the SMP support?

(My other PPro 200/512K is really itching to do something!)

I've tried doing various methods of migrating the desktop to the SMP side,
but it never seems to work to my satisfaction.  A reinstall of everything I
have is NOT an option in my book.

If you've sucessfully done this (somehow) drop me a line.  I'd appreciate it!
--
Larry Belan
PennState - Fayette
www.fe.psu.edu


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From: esko.kauppinen@ibm.net                            08-Oct-99 23:28:26
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:25
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net>

On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 23:03:00 -0400, J. R. Fox wrote:

>yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:
>> 
>> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
>>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
>> 
>> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.  You can't get
>> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.  Unless you
>> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are screwed.
>> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater sound chips
>> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.  They have no
>> plans to.  They have moved onto chips with higher margins and greater
>> capabilities.
>> 
>> Give IBM a big round of applause for finally killing OS/2.
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>
>I don't follow your logic here (or it is imprecisely written, 
>or I'm not reading it correctly): if this only applies to the
>ESS based cards, how does that account for 60 % of OS/2 users ?
>I doubt that many are using ESS.  At the moment, I've got 4 
>soundcards here (trying to line up the best one for Warp), and 
>*none* of them are ESS-based.  If you're saying that FP-12 
>breaks *any* installed soundcard -- and this turned out to be
>true -- that would indeed be serious.  But, to date, I haven't 
>heard this assertion anywhere else.
>
><jf>

And of the ESS cards it applies only to some if any.

I have a 1688 with a driver dated 23-OCT-98 and have no 
problems with FP 12.

ek





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From: spamonoloawmg@yesic.com                           09-Oct-99 15:13:22
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:25
Subj: Re: virtual dekstop program?? (freeware)

From: "andrew g" <spamonoloawmg@yesic.com>

Daniel,

You might think this strange, but the reason I went back to OS/2 after a
couple of years of advocating Linux was: ...

SIO's PMLM. I like to see what's happening with my COM ports, and got used to
seeing everything going in and out. tail -f'ing syslogs and such is okay, but
I want to see for myself what's really coming and going.

andrew

On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:41:48 -0400 (EDT), Daniel Enright wrote:


> I've been dual booting os/2 with linux for
>a bit now, and decided I can just stick linux on a 386 and learn
>all the console stuff on that, and well why did I decide to put os/2
>on my main computer you ask... because I think it is a good os for
>programming in, and it's on top of all the java stuff anyway back 
>to the point of my article
>you are absolutely right, pc/2 seems to be doing the trick, just got 
>it going, so it will taking some configuring.  It seems to have speed up 
>my desktop a lot!!!
>
>Thanks a million!
>Daniel Enright
>
>>and I think the desktop feature of PC/2 does as well:
>>  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/7885/
>
>
>



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From: Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com               09-Oct-99 20:47:29
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: Dragging an exe

From: "Jan Danielsson" <Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com>

>In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
>object.  I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
>know how I can change this?

I think there is a system switch for it, but I don't remember where it could
be.
Try holding shift down while dragging.


 /j



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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  09-Oct-99 21:10:25
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: USB mouse support?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

Does Warp4 (FP9) support a USB mouse port?


----------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Oct-99 21:19:14
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:58:14, williamd1@ibm.net (williamd) wrote:

> PMFJI, but would this also hold true for Warp 3 at fp 40?
> 
> Bill
> 
> __
> williamd1@ibm.net
> 
..snip...

I would assume that it is the same program, but I am not 100% sure.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Oct-99 21:19:15
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: Dragging an exe

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:04:32, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) 
wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
> object.  I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
> know how I can change this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Glen D
> -<remove Z from my e-mail address>-

I am not sure that this is exactly what you are looking for, but:
Right Mouse click on a blank spot on your desktop-> properties-> 
Desktop-> change the Default Drop operation setting.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Oct-99 21:19:16
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: HELP.JAVA 1.1.8 will not start

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:14:55, elygre@c2i.net wrote:

>  
> After "JAVA -version" it displays : JAVA.EXE version "1.1.8"
> After "JAVA -fullversion" I get a system error message:
> SYS2070
> The system could not load the applications segment.
> JAVAI --> JAVAR._strodieee is wrong (in error).
> For more info. HELP 127
>  
> My translation.
> 

Interesting. The first line is correct, but the second line fails. It 
almost works, but there is something wrong. Perhaps, an older version 
of JAVA is interfering somehow, or you did not get a complete install 
of JAVA 1.1.8.

There are many possibilities here. Your CLASSPATH statement in 
CONFIG.SYS could have something that is incorrect, or the 1.1.8 
install did not work properly, are the two most likely. 

One thing you could try, is to install the update from:
 ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/
(follow it to the proper place). This MIGHT replace (or add) a bad (or
missing) file, if you are lucky.

The only other suggestion that I can make, is to totally remove JAVA 
from your system (all of the directories, and all of the CONFIG.SYS 
entries) . Make sure you have a good backup first <g>. Then reinstall 
it.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Oct-99 21:19:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: Problem adding LPT2: to Warp 4 System!?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:50:50, "Kim Haverblad" <kim@haverblad.com> 
wrote:

> Added an another ISA-card with 2 extra printer ports. Currently now I'm only
> using one of the extra, LPT2: using IRQ 9. Windoze for ones figured this one
> out and works fine with the new extra port. But, OS2 won't find it. Have
also
> defined the ISA-card in bios and added the irq just in case.
> 
> Anyone that have some ideas?
> 
> //Kim
> 

OS/2 will only recognize IRQ7 and IRQ5, for  printer ports. You may 
need to change the settings in your BIOS to make the onboard PPort be 
address 3BC, IRQ7 (the default for LPT1:). Then set your new card to 
LPT2: and LPT3: (addresses 278, IRQ5 and 378, IRQ*pick one* as I 
recall), or disable the second port on the card (preferable). You 
won't be able to use the second port on the card, with OS/2, since it 
doesn't have a standard IRQ.  Also make absolutely sure that you are 
not sharing IRQs with anything else (used, or not). OS/2 will not work
properly if you try that.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Oct-99 21:19:18
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: Problem with OS2CDROM.DMD in FixPack 12

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 05:03:19, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
wrote:

> Here is the problem with OS2CDROM.DMD. The SCSI CD drive cannot read disks
> made on the CDRW. It will read ones bought with hardware, etc., but not
> ones made here or on other machines. The problem existed whether RSJ's
> drivers were loaded or not loaded.
> 

I am not sure what FP12 puts out there, but I did rerun the Device 
Driver FP, after FP12, and it did replace  the OS2DASD.DMD file (which
you said you tried, but perhaps the DDFP has a later level, which will
work with the newer OS2CDROM.DMD).

Hope this helps...
******************************
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doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Oct-99 21:19:18
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: seeking email client for warp connect

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:09:28, suprdave@aol.comAolsucks (SUPRDAVE) 
wrote:

> Ive got my PS/2 95 up and acessing the web via earthlink, but need
suggestions
> for a low cost or free email client. For some reason, i cannot get the
ultimail
> program to start up after I key in the initial settings. it just clears all
the
> fields and prompts for the info again.... anyway, i was dismayed to find out
> there's no OS/2 section at tucows anymore. Is there an alternate location
for
> what used to be there?
> 
> 
> D.B. Young.      Team OS/2!
> -->this message printed on recycled disk space<--
> visit the computers of yesteryear at
> http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm
> (now accepting donations!)
> Delete the obvious (Aolsucks) to reply. 
> 

Ultimail, IMO, is an old program, that needs to be retired.

I prefer PMMail (http://www.southsoft.com/), but it is not really 
"inexpensive". I think another post mentions Post road Mailer, which 
is now free.

TUCOWS abandoned OS/2 a couple of years ago (when OS/2 died, *again* 
<g>). 

There are a number of excelent sources for OS/2 stuff. Try these:
The OS/2 supersite: http://www.os2ss.com/
LEO: http://www.leo.org/archiv/software/os2/index_grouped.html
GlassMan software: 
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7567/software/english/ind
ex.html
HOBBES: http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/
SmartCache homepage: http://ncic.netmag.cz/apps/nase/smartcache_e.html
Judy's warped world: http://www.gt-online.com/~bri/
Henk's Homepage: http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html
OS/2 "Must-Have" Utilities: http://www.musthave.com/

(some of these may have wrapped during posting). There are many more, 
but you should be able to find most of them from the above list.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     09-Oct-99 21:19:19
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: Win32

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:23:43, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> What is Win32 as applied to OS/2?  I've seen some talk about it in NGs, and
> asked what it is, but got no answer so far.  Is it something that makes Win
9x
> software run on OS/2?  If so, how much brainpower does it take to set it up?
> 
> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.
> 

Win32s is an early attempt to support a 32 bit operating system in 
windows. It adds a number of 32 bit extensions to Win31. The latest 
that OS/2 supports, is Win32s 1.25a (or b, I was never too clear about
that), although some programs can be fooled into believing that Win32s
1.30 is installed (check DEJANEWS for that discussion).

OS/2 warp3 needs two packages to upgrade it to use Win32s. One to add 
the basic support to the OS, and one to add the actual extensions.

OS/2 warp4, already has the basic support, but it still needs the 
extensions.

It has been some time since I looked this up, but check out the New 
user links at the OS/2 supersite (http://www.os2ss.com). I am sure 
there is something there about it. You could also try Judy's warped 
world (http://www.gt-online.com/~bri/). The setup is a piece of cake, 
once you find the proper install package(s). Just follow the 
instructions.

Hope this helps...
******************************
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doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: ckh@hknet.com                                     09-Oct-99 08:53:24
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: which CD-R for OS/2?

From: ckh@hknet.com (Oliver Chung)

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>   I'm interested in adding a rewritable CD drive to my system.  Which
>one(s) are supported by OS/2?  Does anyone have any recommendations?

I am using the Ricoh 7040S, it works fine.

______
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> My opinions are my own <                      >  Happy Warp user <
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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            09-Oct-99 17:28:24
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 19:56:26
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack_try QF11

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <37FAC186.60B0A46F@my-deja.com>, on 10/06/99 
   at 03:31 AM, luistino <luistino@my-deja.com> said:


>I cannot remember where I downloaded from, probaly hoobes, look for
>Qf11.zip

There is a small bug in this program which I don't know has been fixed. In
the file called install.fil, your archive directory won't be correctly
input; you have to modify this file by hand. I believe the newest version
also handles fixpak zip files. 

I got this info from some helpful sources. I used QF last week to install
FP11 on my laptop and I'm going to use it to install FP12 soon on my
desktop.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            09-Oct-99 22:49:07
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <7tns70$gb$1@news.panix.com>, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) writes:
>Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:

>I had FP11 before my ill-fated attempt at 12 and I did not see any problem
>then, but maybe I was lucky? I am now at FP6, so perhaps I should not
>tempt fate? There was something I needed from one of the later FPs but I
>don't remember what it was.

  A Y2K morsel, perhaps?  AFAIKR, some of the secondary fixes were
  beyond FP6 ..

--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: pdrumm@dwave.net                                  09-Oct-99 22:30:21
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: Problem adding LPT2: to Warp 4 System!?

From: pdrumm@dwave.net (Peter Drumm)

In message <37FEA307.4689C723@dreamscape.com> - Al Carmon
<acarmon@dreamscape.com> writes:
:->
:->for each port in config.sys.  The line:
:->PRINTMONBUFSIZE=136,136,136   in my config.sys has been changed to :
:->PRINTMONBUFSIZE=2048,0,0  because I only use LPT1.  Notice that there is
:->a figure for each installed port.  they have to be there even if you are
:->not using them.

The default value for PRINTMONBUFSIZE is 134, which is also the
minimum value. Having 2048,0,0 is the same as 2048,134,134.

Custom machining; Tool & Cutter grinding
Peter Drumm, Wausau WI  <pdrumm@dwave.net> 
<http://home.dwave.net/~pdrumm>
Cyrix6x86/300 MII, OS/2 Warp 4, Linux

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    09-Oct-99 22:53:12
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: USB mouse support?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Stan Goodman (l_luciano@da.mob) wrote:
: Does Warp4 (FP9) support a USB mouse port?

	If its a Intel or VIA chipset motherboard, yes.  If its a ALi, 
SiS, or Opti then no.  At least not currently.


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    09-Oct-99 22:56:19
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: Win32

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Dale Erwin (derwin@airmail.net) wrote:

: Do you really think this project will ever get off the ground?  It
: is certainly something that I would like to see happen, but Odin
: and its predecessor have been under development for about two years
: now, and I haven't seen any indications of success yet.

: I did hear that they had been able to get very simple programs to
: run successfully, but that was very early in the game long before the
: original development team abandoned it.

	You call Quake 2 and SiN *small* programs?  Mind you it won't (at 
least not for Warp 3 or 4) be able to run stuff like Word 2000.  But I 
was quite surprised that it was able to convert Quake 2 and SiN.


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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      09-Oct-99 23:11:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: Win32

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article
<695C263480E4552F.F748EAD75E07C830.877353A3CC8989C3@lp.airnews.net>,
  derwin@airmail.net wrote:

<snip>

> Do you really think this project will ever get off the ground?  It
> is certainly something that I would like to see happen, but Odin
> and its predecessor have been under development for about two years
> now, and I haven't seen any indications of success yet.

Haven't seen any indications of sucess?? Just what do you consider an
indication of success?

> I did hear that they had been able to get very simple programs to
> run successfully, but that was very early in the game long before the
> original development team abandoned it.

They did not abandon it; it mearly changed hands from Win32-OS/2 to
Odin. Lots of work has been finished, but much much more remains to be
done. It takes a lot of time and man-power to do a project like this,
so just wait.

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      09-Oct-99 23:17:02
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: USB mouse support?

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-W3094NSjhPce@POBLANO>,
  l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:

> Does Warp4 (FP9) support a USB mouse port?

Do you mean a USB mouse, or a PS/2 to USB adapter?

Yes on the first one
(http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/36B9EBA6827E8A0A862566F8
00028EBC.html for "Regular" USB mice and
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/64F809F5F6E2A544862566F80
006C8F7.html for "Scrolling" USB mice.)

And I don't know on the second.

Be sure to check out the OS/2 Device Driver Pack Online first
(http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm) before
posting questions like this in the future.

Good luck!

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    09-Oct-99 18:44:29
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:

>Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from them?

OK, I have to admit I'm lost now.  I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
localities on my OS/2 machine.  What "appropriate info?" are you talking
about?  If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
your platform.  NOTE:  Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
tried it).

Any other "info" is unecessary.

Tony.


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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    09-Oct-99 19:05:17
  To: All                                               09-Oct-99 21:21:27
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:

>Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from them?


OK, I have to admit I'm lost now.  I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
localities on my OS/2 machine.  What "appropriate info?" are you talking
about?  If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
your platform.  NOTE:  Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
tried it).

Any other "info" is unecessary.

When I first arrived at my current location, I mad a phone call to a local
ISP, 10 minutes later I was checking my email.  (using PMMail)

Tony.




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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    09-Oct-99 19:12:27
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Can't read a certain CD.

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

OK, here's the deal.  I have a music CD which has a secred hidden MOV file
located on it.  My roommate's Windows 95 computer reads it just fine.  Mine
will read it under Linux (as long as I mount it as an iso9660 drive).  OS/2,
however, refuses to read it.  I have read in several places that OS/2
supports iso9660, what do I need to do.  It says "can't find sector" or
something.  I have the newest IDE/ATAPI drivers.  Although, when I downloaded
them, it included an IBMATAPI.FLT (or something similar).  That was the only
file that did not have an older pre-existing version on my computer.  Should
I BASEDEV said FLT?  I'm gonna try.

Any other ideas are appreciated.

Tony.


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From: rhb@accessv.com                                   10-Oct-99 00:47:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: rhb@accessv.com (Rob Burton)

Not exactly. Win98 makes its partition the active one. The Boot
Manager partition is still there, unharmed. You have to run fdisk and
make the boot manager partition active again. Lots of folks use the
OS/2 install diskettes to do this, but in theory at least any fdisk
can make boot manager's partition the active one again. It's just a
plain old vanilla primary partition.

On 6 Oct 1999 19:17:25 -0700, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:41:36, jwp <jpowell2@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I took your advice and checked at Ebay.  I found what I am looking for but
I am
>> confused about "Red" and "Blue" versions.  Which is best?  I really don't
care
>> about running Windows apps.  I will, however, be running OS/2 on the samd
HD
>> with Win 98 (Partition Magic).  Can you explain the difference please? 
Thanks.
>
>The "Red" version allows you to use native Microsoft Windoze code to 
>run Windoze 3.1 based programs.  The "Blue" version includes IBM's 
>re-written (and more stable) version of Windoze called WIN-OS/2 which 
>allows you to run most Windoze 3.1 programs and some Win32 programs.
>
>Suggest that you install Windoze 98 first and then install OS/2 with 
>Boot Manager (that's a program that comes with all versions of OS/2 
>and allows you to select which partition to boot at startup.  If you 
>install Win98 after you install OS/2 it will blow the Boot Manager 
>partition away and you will have to re-install it again.
>
>Best Regards,
>Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
>[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     10-Oct-99 01:18:24
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Dragging an exe

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

On 9 Oct 1999 21:19:30 GMT, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug
Bissett) wrote:

>On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:04:32, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>> 
>> In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
>> object.  I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
>> know how I can change this?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Glen D
>> -<remove Z from my e-mail address>-
>
>I am not sure that this is exactly what you are looking for, but:
>Right Mouse click on a blank spot on your desktop-> properties-> 
>Desktop-> change the Default Drop operation setting.
>
>Hope this helps...
>******************************
>From the PC of Doug Bissett
>doug.bissett at attglobal.net
>The " at " must be changed to "@"
>******************************

I'd already found that.  It deals with what happens when you drag an
object onto the desktop.  I'm looking for setting the action that
occurs when I drag an object to any folder.  Thanks anyway.


Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail address>-

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From: Richard_Price@nospam.compuserve.com               10-Oct-99 02:00:00
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Dragging an exe

From: "Richard Price" <Richard_Price@nospam.compuserve.com>

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:04:32 GMT, Glen D wrote:

Some time ago, I ran across a web page where the author had 
created a WPS class to do exactly that; I have been running it
here for months with no problems.  It is called DNDW3.DLL, and
it was written by Matt Linder; the web page ref I have for him is

http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/mlinder/index.html

Look it up, and e-mail him for the file and installation program -- I
would pass it on, but he didn't give me explicit permission for
that.

:>Hi all
:>
:>In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
:>object.  I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
:>know how I can change this?
:>
:>Thanks
:>
:>
:>Glen D
:>-<remove Z from my e-mail address>-



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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             09-Oct-99 19:35:29
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Dragging an exe

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:18:48 GMT, Glen D wrote:

>>On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:04:32, glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D) 
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
>>> object.  I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
>>> know how I can change this?
>>> 

You can't change this action to a straight 'Move'. You have to hold the
Shift Key down while you perform the drop to get the result you want.
(That's one of my personal 'nits' about Warp 4)


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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 09-Oct-99 23:26:18
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: VIO windows cascaded--how??

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

I like my OS/2 and DOS VDMs to open maximized, and whenever
I do a new (re-)install, I eventually figure out which shift
key to press while holding which mouse button to do this. 
However, since setting up this new Philips 107B monitor
(quite nice, thanks for all the advice btw) and changing the
resolution, somehow all of them come up "stacked" (one atop
the other) rather than sort of cascaded.  Is there some way
to return it so the VIOs don't start up one on top of the
other, but cascaded?


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                09-Oct-99 22:29:20
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Antonio Relyea wrote:
> 
> On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
> 
> >Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from
them?
> 
> OK, I have to admit I'm lost now.  I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
> localities on my OS/2 machine.  What "appropriate info?" are you talking
> about?  If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
> password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
> you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
> your platform.  NOTE:  Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
> tried it).
> 
> Any other "info" is unecessary.
> 
> When I first arrived at my current location, I mad a phone call to a local
> ISP, 10 minutes later I was checking my email.  (using PMMail)
> 
> Tony.

There are some ISPs who send you software to use which is already
configured for you.  The software is not OS/2 of course and the
people on the help desk tell you you don't need any information
just use the software they send you.  If you tell them their software
won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
support other platforms.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              09-Oct-99 20:57:14
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Adding SMP support to a Warp Connect Desktop?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

The Warp Server Advanced SMP documentation does tell you what it is
valid to install it over, but that's at work right now, so if yours is
handy, I suggest you check it.

What does "both systems are different HD partitions where one CAN'T
disturb the other" really mean? They are both primary partitions on the
same drive, or something else? It does rather affect how you proceed.
I'll assume it means two mutually exclusive primary partitions on one
drive.

I'd suggest you backup all the non-OS/2 directories on the Connect
partition and restore them on the SMP one, you'll probably have to copy
a few things from x:\os2 and x:\os2\dll too, then get something like
Object Desktop, Unimaint, Deskman/2 etc. and backup the Connect desktop,
finally then restoring it onto the SMP system. You'll probably have to
do some manual INI editing too.

Graham.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              09-Oct-99 21:02:09
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Sounds like you really need to report this to MSI as a BIOS bug, but
there are a couple of other possibilities.

Some BIOSes can make "holes" in memory for things like AGP,
bus-mastering devices etc. Make sure your BIOS doesn't have anything
setting a hole at 64MB. On a similar theme, a piece of hardware may have
forced itself into the memory map at 64MB. Since you can get Win98 to
see all 128MB, have a look in it's Device Manager for anything sitting
at 64MB.

Graham.

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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    09-Oct-99 23:44:24
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Can't read a certain CD.

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:12:54 -0500 (CDT), Antonio Relyea wrote:

>OK, here's the deal.  I have a music CD which has a secred hidden MOV file
>located on it.  My roommate's Windows 95 computer reads it just fine.  Mine
>will read it under Linux (as long as I mount it as an iso9660 drive).  OS/2,
>however, refuses to read it.  I have read in several places that OS/2
>supports iso9660, what do I need to do.  It says "can't find sector" or
>something.  I have the newest IDE/ATAPI drivers.  Although, when I downloaded
>them, it included an IBMATAPI.FLT (or something similar).  That was the only
>file that did not have an older pre-existing version on my computer.  Should
>I BASEDEV said FLT?  I'm gonna try.
>
>Any other ideas are appreciated.
>
>Tony.
>
This is ridiculous, even DOS (MS-DOS 6.22) will read it!!!!  What gives?

Tony.



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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    09-Oct-99 23:44:01
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:29:40 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:

>If you tell them their software
>won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
>support other platforms.

Can you give me an example???  If an ISP told me anything like that then I
would promptly respond "I'm sorry, but I don't patronize you."

I used to use BellSouth.net.  They sent me software, but I didn't use it.  I
used a friends computer to visit their web page and get the numbers.

Tony.


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 10-Oct-99 01:54:27
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Win32

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Dale Erwin wrote:

> Do you really think this project will ever get off the ground?  It
> is certainly something that I would like to see happen, but Odin
> and its predecessor have been under development for about two years
> now, and I haven't seen any indications of success yet.
> 
> I did hear that they had been able to get very simple programs to
> run successfully, but that was very early in the game long before the
> original development team abandoned it.

IFAIK Odin is still very buggy, many of the modules are 50-60%
done...though!
Quake2 should be running very vell...games are always the
hardest, because games programmers always try to utilize hardware
the most, thereby using tricks and stuff that normal application
programmers would not use.

The thing that has hold the project back the last months has been
project Everblue (A port of the X-lib library) which is to be
used for porting WINE to OS/2.

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 10-Oct-99 01:59:01
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 03:23:18
Subj: Re: Apology for Misinformation on OS/2

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Jan Swartling wrote:
>
> Peter,
> 
> doesn't it say "YEAR 2000 READY when applicable IBM FixPaks are installed"
> on  a round blue label on the front of the box?
> 
> If so, it's not Y2K ready.

I must honestly say, I can't remember!
Haven't brought the box with me (Only got the pink slip and CD's)
Sorry!

But you could be right!

If so I do apologize!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     10-Oct-99 01:44:29
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 05:08:22
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

In <rfxbxnhccvaravozarg.fjbgc40.pminews@news3.ibm.net>, on 10/08/99 
   at 11:28 PM, "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net> said:

>On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 23:03:00 -0400, J. R. Fox wrote:

>>yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
>>>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
>>> 
>>> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.  You can't get
>>> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.  Unless you
>>> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are screwed.
>>> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater sound chips
>>> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.  They have no
>>> plans to.  They have moved onto chips with higher margins and greater
>>> capabilities.
>>> 
>>> Give IBM a big round of applause for finally killing OS/2.
>>> 
>>> Roland
>>> 
>>
>>I don't follow your logic here (or it is imprecisely written, 
>>or I'm not reading it correctly): if this only applies to the
>>ESS based cards, how does that account for 60 % of OS/2 users ?
>>I doubt that many are using ESS.  At the moment, I've got 4 
>>soundcards here (trying to line up the best one for Warp), and 
>>*none* of them are ESS-based.  If you're saying that FP-12 
>>breaks *any* installed soundcard -- and this turned out to be
>>true -- that would indeed be serious.  But, to date, I haven't 
>>heard this assertion anywhere else.
>>
>><jf>

>And of the ESS cards it applies only to some if any.

>I have a 1688 with a driver dated 23-OCT-98 and have no 
>problems with FP 12.

>ek


and this is a chipset which has been shipping for just over a year.  The
bulk of their line is older than that and used in MANY notebooks...not to
mention low cost generic sound cards.

Roland





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                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  10-Oct-99 07:03:12
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 05:08:22
Subj: Re: USB mouse support?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:17:05, hunters@thunder.indstate.edu wrote:

> In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-W3094NSjhPce@POBLANO>,
>   l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:
> 
> > Does Warp4 (FP9) support a USB mouse port?
> 
> Do you mean a USB mouse, or a PS/2 to USB adapter?
> 
> Yes on the first one
> (http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/36B9EBA6827E8A0A862566F8
> 00028EBC.html for "Regular" USB mice and
> http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/64F809F5F6E2A544862566F80
> 006C8F7.html for "Scrolling" USB mice.)
> 
> And I don't know on the second.

Many thanks for both the responses to the query. I misphrased the question:
This is not a MB question; the fact that the board has a USB port is the 
reason I asked the question.

> Be sure to check out the OS/2 Device Driver Pack Online first
> (http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm) before
> posting questions like this in the future.

You are right.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 10-Oct-99 07:01:22
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: Adding SMP support to a Warp Connect Desktop?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <38000EA8.25EF7017@linkline.com>, "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com> 
writes:
>The Warp Server Advanced SMP documentation does tell you what it is
>valid to install it over, but that's at work right now, so if yours is
>handy, I suggest you check it.
>
>What does "both systems are different HD partitions where one CAN'T
>disturb the other" really mean? They are both primary partitions on the
>same drive, or something else? It does rather affect how you proceed.
>I'll assume it means two mutually exclusive primary partitions on one
>drive.
>
>I'd suggest you backup all the non-OS/2 directories on the Connect
>partition and restore them on the SMP one, you'll probably have to copy
>a few things from x:\os2 and x:\os2\dll too, then get something like
>Object Desktop, Unimaint, Deskman/2 etc. and backup the Connect desktop,
>finally then restoring it onto the SMP system. You'll probably have to
>do some manual INI editing too.
>
>Graham.

you might try this - something similar worked for me in a blue spine - red 
spine situation (and yes, I checked through the IBM licensing agreement, it 
explicitly says you can mix and match components.) 

IIRC Warp Advanced Server SMP selective install has an "install SMP support"
option. If you copy the selective install program over to your Connect
partition
then you should get the WAS SMP option -- try a selective install of the SMP 
feature. After a *full* backup !!   

Let us know if this works ??

--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd



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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 10-Oct-99 07:21:09
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <B03D24E7624AB508.4BF8E6CA24C480AE.AE049B7D16711D82@lp.airnews.net>, Dale
Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> writes:
>Antonio Relyea wrote:
>> 
>> On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
>> 
>> >Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from
them?
>> 
>> OK, I have to admit I'm lost now.  I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5
different
>> localities on my OS/2 machine.  What "appropriate info?" are you talking
>> about?  If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
>> password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
>> you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
>> your platform.  NOTE:  Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've
never
>> tried it).
>> 
>> Any other "info" is unecessary.
>> 
>> When I first arrived at my current location, I mad a phone call to a local
>> ISP, 10 minutes later I was checking my email.  (using PMMail)
>> 
>> Tony.
>
>There are some ISPs who send you software to use which is already
>configured for you.  The software is not OS/2 of course and the
>people on the help desk tell you you don't need any information
>just use the software they send you.  If you tell them their software
>won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
>support other platforms.
>-- 

and the proper response to that is, "then I guess you don't want my
money too much. Thank you and goodbye." There are lots of ISP's, no 
need to deal with ignorant ones.


>Dale Erwin
>Dallas, Texas 
><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">


--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd



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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          10-Oct-99 15:03:01
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: Dragging an exe

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

There's also a utility on Hobbes callef Prompt. I believe
it's called pmpt112.zip. It will give you a choice of actions
when dragging a file. I think the registration fee is low.

Cheers

Wayne


On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:00:01 GMT, Richard Price wrote:

:>On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:04:32 GMT, Glen D wrote:
:>
:>Some time ago, I ran across a web page where the author had 
:>created a WPS class to do exactly that; I have been running it
:>here for months with no problems.  It is called DNDW3.DLL, and
:>it was written by Matt Linder; the web page ref I have for him is
:>
:>http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/mlinder/index.html
:>
:>Look it up, and e-mail him for the file and installation program -- I
:>would pass it on, but he didn't give me explicit permission for
:>that.
:>
:>:>Hi all
:>:>
:>:>In Warp 4 when I drag an exe to another folder it creates a program
:>:>object.  I'd prefer it to move the exe file like Warp 3 does.  Anyone
:>:>know how I can change this?
:>:>
:>:>Thanks
:>:>
:>:>
:>:>Glen D
:>:>-<remove Z from my e-mail address>-
:>
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           10-Oct-99 07:45:17
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <38002809$1$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, on
10/10/99 at 01:44 AM,
   yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net said:

> >>> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
> >>>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
> >>> 
> >>> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.  You can't get
> >>> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.  Unless you
> >>> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are screwed.
> >>> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater sound
chips
> >>> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.  They have
no
> >>> plans to.  They have moved onto chips with higher margins and greater
> >>> capabilities.

I am afraid this is pure, unadulterated bovine scatology. I have five
machines with five different sound cards including my Thinkpad with an ESS
sound system. It didn't kill any of them. 

Perhaps the person who posted the above doesn't know what he is talking
about? Moreover, having been building machines since 1983, having attended
hundreds of computer shows, having serviced thousands of clients' machines
I fail to believe that ESS based sound cards represent 5% of the market
much less the 50-60% claimed. Far and away, the most ubiquitous sound card
chipset is one or another version of the SoundBlaster family. 

> >>> Give IBM a big round of applause for finally killing OS/2.

...............................................................(the sound
of one hand clapping)

Of course he won't be able to hear it.

> >>> 
> >>> Roland
> >>> 
> >>
> >>I don't follow your logic here (or it is imprecisely written, 
> >>or I'm not reading it correctly): if this only applies to the
> >>ESS based cards, how does that account for 60 % of OS/2 users ?
> >>I doubt that many are using ESS.  At the moment, I've got 4 
> >>soundcards here (trying to line up the best one for Warp), and 
> >>*none* of them are ESS-based.  If you're saying that FP-12 
> >>breaks *any* installed soundcard -- and this turned out to be
> >>true -- that would indeed be serious.  But, to date, I haven't 
> >>heard this assertion anywhere else.
> >>
> >><jf>

If I've told him once not to exaggerate, I've told him a million times.

> >And of the ESS cards it applies only to some if any.

> >I have a 1688 with a driver dated 23-OCT-98 and have no 
> >problems with FP 12.

> >ek

My ThinkPad has an ESS based Solo sound chip. It works just fine after FP
12.

> and this is a chipset which has been shipping for just over a year.  The
> bulk of their line is older than that and used in MANY notebooks...not
> to mention low cost generic sound cards.

My drivers were dated in March of this year. The ThinkPad 390E line is
less than a year old right now.



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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: elygre@c2i.net                                    10-Oct-99 11:02:02
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: HELP.JAVA 1.1.8 will not start - PROBLEM SOLVED

From: elygre@c2i.net (Einar Lygre)


On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:19:33, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
Bissett) wrote:

> 
> Interesting. The first line is correct, but the second line fails. It 
> almost works, but there is something wrong. Perhaps, an older version 
> of JAVA is interfering somehow, or you did not get a complete install 
> of JAVA 1.1.8.
> 
> There are many possibilities here. Your CLASSPATH statement in 
> CONFIG.SYS could have something that is incorrect, or the 1.1.8 
> install did not work properly, are the two most likely. 
> 
> One thing you could try, is to install the update from:
>  ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/
> (follow it to the proper place). This MIGHT replace (or add) a bad (or
> missing) file, if you are lucky.
> 
> The only other suggestion that I can make, is to totally remove JAVA 
> from your system (all of the directories, and all of the CONFIG.SYS 
> entries) . Make sure you have a good backup first <g>. Then reinstall 
> it.
> 
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

Thank you  Doug for your interest in my problem. 
The solution was indeed very simple, but shows at the same time some 
of the complexity with all those different applications using java.
I installes Domino (Notes) two years ago. Domino had (has?) its own 
version of Java. The path to Domino was also in the Libpath and Path -
but before all pointers  to JAVA11 directories.
I have downloaded StarOffice as well but not installed it yet, and 
StarOffice should also have its own version of Java, so I have to be 
carefull.

Einar Lygre
From the land of the midnight sun

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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             10-Oct-99 13:15:15
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:37:58, "Mackan" <Mackan@SpamMeNot.se> wrote:

> Hello there
> 
> I was trying to install the fixpack (fixpack 11 for os/2 warp 4.) , not
> using diskettes or the web.

 < snip >
 
> Any suggestions how to succseed in applying a fixpack is very helpful.
> I have applyed the FIXpack 7 on this computer, but that was a year ago, and
> I did use disketts then, but I hade disketts,
> so I wanna figure this out, so I don't have to use the disks.
> Why havn't IBM figured out an easy way to upgrade OS/2.
 
The easiest & quickest way that I have found is to download the *.zip
files from the RSU site and then follow the instructions given in an
article by Walter Metcalf.

http://os2.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa111898.htm

BTW, don't bother with FP11, go for FP12

-- 
Dave

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From: michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de                        10-Oct-99 13:49:07
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 10:22:27
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de

Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> writes:

> Adrian Gschwend wrote:
[...]
> > 
> > >Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
> > >functionally equivalent to Photoshop?
[...]
> > You need XFree86/2 to run it but a native PM Version is under
developement.
> > 
[...]
> 
> Is Netlabs doing the development of the native PM version, or who?
> What's it to be called?

Gimp is a Netlabs Project (http://www.netlabs.org/gimp/) to make Gimp
run with XFree86/2. Another Project is Everblue
(http://www.netlabs.org/everblue/) which implemets the X11-Api on top
of PM. Put both together and you have gimp/2.

BTW: Both projects need programmers. Feel free to help....

-- 
Michael Holzapfel <michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de>

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From: dwinters@redrose.net                              09-Oct-99 09:54:20
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:09
Subj: Source for m-board batt.

From: Dale Winters <dwinters@redrose.net>

I believe the batt. on my moboard is giving up the ghost[g]. Im starting
to have time and date
problems when I fire the old girl up. They are always wrong. Does anyone
have a url where i can
get a new batt.....or , does staples or some chain store like that
haveum??? Thanks,Dale

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                10-Oct-99 09:05:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:09
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de wrote:
> 
> Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> writes:
> 
> > Adrian Gschwend wrote:
> [...]
> > >
> > > >Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
> > > >functionally equivalent to Photoshop?
> [...]
> > > You need XFree86/2 to run it but a native PM Version is under
developement.
> > >
> [...]
> >
> > Is Netlabs doing the development of the native PM version, or who?
> > What's it to be called?
> 
> Gimp is a Netlabs Project (http://www.netlabs.org/gimp/) to make Gimp
> run with XFree86/2. Another Project is Everblue
> (http://www.netlabs.org/everblue/) which implemets the X11-Api on top
> of PM. Put both together and you have gimp/2.
> 
> BTW: Both projects need programmers. Feel free to help....
> 
> --
> Michael Holzapfel <michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de>

I would love to help, if I could.  Unfortunately, my knowledge of
C/C++ is... eh... somewhat limited.  I'm one of those mainframe
dinosaurs being left behind and trampled in the dust.  I do my PC
programming in VisualAge COBOL and REXX.  I did quite a bit in
VX-REXX until Watcom sold out to the enemy.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              10-Oct-99 14:07:12
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:09
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <37FB0623.226A@capgemini.nl>, Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>
writes:
>After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
>Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
>
>Anyone else seen this?
>
>
>Henk
>-- 
>Remove nospam when replying..

No, only one vdm here.

Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  10-Oct-99 14:25:00
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:09
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:45:35, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote:

------------------snip----------------

> If I've told him once not to exaggerate, I've told him a million times.

------------------snip----------------

=:-)8

That goes into my tagline file!

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            10-Oct-99 09:11:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Spamming the Spammers!

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.

I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
mailing list.

I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
do what I want?

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            10-Oct-99 16:48:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

I think you'll find that spam comes with invalid mail addresses, so you'll
be unable to reply to the originator.
Anyway, do you really think that this approach will work. Won't it just
make it worse?

Ray Appleby wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
>
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their
> mailing list.
>
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
>
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          10-Oct-99 16:01:17
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:11:53, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) 
wrote:

:I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
:mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.

 Yep.
 
:I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
:if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
:hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
:mailing list.

 Then you'd be just as much of an abuser as any spammer. You don't 
fight net abuse with net abuse.
 
:I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
:this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
:programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
:do what I want?

 Instead of risking losing your 'net account (read cadvision's AUP), 
try fighting UCE in the most effective manner. Forward a copy of the 
UCE with full headers to the postmaster at the domain from which it 
originated, or the abuse dept. of same if you know one exists. I 
always forward a copy to uce@ftc.gov as well; pyramid or Ponzi schemes
go to fraud@uspis.gov and pyramid@ftc.gov.

 The best way to ensure a minimum of spam is to never post to Usenet 
using your "real" email address. I find using a throwaway Hotmail or 
similar email address works wonders; or, if you don't want to deal 
with UCE at all, use a service like brightmail.com

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: stantowianski@home.com                            10-Oct-99 14:19:22
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

Hi,

Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
quicky/crappy drivers?

Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
Which is a good one?
and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?

I saw a note saying DPT dropped support for their newer UW2 cards
and ICP-Vortex from Germany fully supports OS/2 (but who sells those
here).

Please email and newsgroup.
Thanks.

stantowianski@home.com


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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                10-Oct-99 17:46:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

A good, cheap alternative you might want to look into are the
NCR/Symbios cards; I've picked up a simple 53c810-based card to hang
my CDs off of, and I'm very happy with it.  Works with OS/2, Linux,
and the catastrophic WinNT 4 too.  You can find a card with a more
advanced chip that'll allow you to boot off SCSI too.  I don't know
how support is or will be, but the existing drivers for OS/2 work
fine.  


On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT, Stan Towianski wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>quicky/crappy drivers?
>
>Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
>Which is a good one?
>and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
>
>I saw a note saying DPT dropped support for their newer UW2 cards
>and ICP-Vortex from Germany fully supports OS/2 (but who sells those
>here).
>
>Please email and newsgroup.
>Thanks.
>
>stantowianski@home.com
>
>

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: derwin@airmail.net                                10-Oct-99 09:53:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Win32

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Peter Jespersen wrote:
> 
> Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> > Do you really think this project will ever get off the ground?  It
> > is certainly something that I would like to see happen, but Odin
> > and its predecessor have been under development for about two years
> > now, and I haven't seen any indications of success yet.
> >
> > I did hear that they had been able to get very simple programs to
> > run successfully, but that was very early in the game long before the
> > original development team abandoned it.
> 
> IFAIK Odin is still very buggy, many of the modules are 50-60%
> done...though!
> Quake2 should be running very vell...games are always the
> hardest, because games programmers always try to utilize hardware
> the most, thereby using tricks and stuff that normal application
> programmers would not use.
> 
> The thing that has hold the project back the last months has been
> project Everblue (A port of the X-lib library) which is to be
> used for porting WINE to OS/2.
> 
> --
> 
> Live long and prosper...
> _________________________________________________________________
>  Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
>  flywheel@image.dk
>  http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
>  Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

Isn't Odin and porting WINE to OS/2 a little redundant?
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: blackdeath@13softhome.net                         10-Oct-99 15:21:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Installing OS2 to logical partition

From: blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart Honsberger)

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:27:55 GMT, Joe Ricci wrote:
>To install OS2 on a logical partition,
>do I first need to set it as installable under FDISK if the primary 
>partition C: has an OS installed?

The way I've always done it is to add;

SET INSTALLDRIVE=D

to the config.sys on the install disk #1.

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: blackdeath@13softhome.net                         10-Oct-99 15:18:07
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: FP 12 and PM Shell won't start

From: blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart Honsberger)

On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 18:04:18 +0100, Tony Wright wrote:
>> I applied FP12 last night (Using corrective service utility v1.41), and
went
>> out. When I got back, it told me to hit C-A-D to re-boot (so I went back to
>> the WPS and shut down).
[...]

>Presumably you did the obvious first?:
>Backup config.sys and remove all references to C-A-D commander(inc path
>statements), and reset to VGA before retrying?

I did all that. When it did finally boot, I tried re-installing my video
drivers. Locked up again. I had to boot to command prompt and re-apply the
fixpack to replace whatever files (DSPRES.DLL I believe was one of them) that
my video drivers replaced.

I've installed GRADD, and C-A-D works again, but I forgot how much I hate
the GRADD drivers. When I load a console app in a DOS full screen session,
OS/2 can't write to the OS2.INI file. When I closed the DOS session, OS/2
had left the error window on screen and I couldn't do anything with it.
(That's where C-A-D Commander came in - "Reboot OS/2").

>You checked C-A-D Cdr hadn't overlayed any other DLL's or files other
>than KBDBASE driver?

It only did that on installation. Whenever you install a fixpack, you have
to run a CMD file that replaces the new KBDBASE with the C-A-D version.

>Trap8's a "double protection fault" and SINGLEQ$ fault is typically in
>video subsystem but undoubetdly you already knew that....

Yeah. S3 Virge, and the drivers suck as it is. Dissapearing text in
Netscape, and after coming back from an SVGA DOS session the WPS won't
come back.

With the GRADD drivers, however, when I return from an SVGA DOS session,
the WPS comes back with three green bars, sortof like the horizontal hold
is completely screwed up along with my colours. I usually have no choice
but to three-fingered salute it to get it back. (C-A-D can't even restart
the WPS properly after it happens).

>If you havn't got CSF kickers to backout  then you perhaps ought to
>define more details on both your video chipset/drivers/bios etc and via
>what method you actually applied service.

I used CSF version 1.41 from the HDD. Ever since I found out that was
possible, I haven't bothered with floppies again. (FP6 was the last one
I applied with floppies. NOT an experience I'd like to repeat).

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      10-Oct-99 14:24:07
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: VIO windows cascaded--how??

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <sdAA4oXf03vG092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum) writes:

>I like my OS/2 and DOS VDMs to open maximized, and whenever
>I do a new (re-)install, I eventually figure out which shift
>key to press while holding which mouse button to do this. 
>However, since setting up this new Philips 107B monitor
>(quite nice, thanks for all the advice btw) and changing the
>resolution, somehow all of them come up "stacked" (one atop
>the other) rather than sort of cascaded.  Is there some way
>to return it so the VIOs don't start up one on top of the
>other, but cascaded?

Bring up the Window List (CTRL-ESC or MB1+2), highlight the VIO 
windows and click MB2, select "Cascade" from the menu.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: blackdeath@13softhome.net                         10-Oct-99 15:22:05
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Source for m-board batt.

From: blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart Honsberger)

On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:54:41 -0400, Dale Winters wrote:
>I believe the batt. on my moboard is giving up the ghost[g]. Im starting
>to have time and date
>problems when I fire the old girl up. They are always wrong. Does anyone
>have a url where i can
>get a new batt.....or , does staples or some chain store like that
>haveum??? Thanks,Dale

Pop your computer open and get the number off the battery. Call local
computer stores and ask if they've got that kind.

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 10-Oct-99 09:35:10
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: In a nutshell, I still prefer OS/2 to Linux.

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, cahughes@cc.ysu.edu spake unto us, saying:

>Well my friends the time has come to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a
>smart and superior alternative to OS/2 and to Windows 2000.

[My background: I've used Linux here off and since November 1993 (first
distro was SLS 1.01), mainly as a secondary desktop OS, and more recently
as a fileserver for my LAN via Samba), and I've been an OS/2 user since
1992 and have used it as my primary desktop OS since the release of OS/2
2.1 in the spring of 1993.]

Yes, I strongly agree that Linux's open-source nature is a tremendous
advantage in many respects, particularly in terms of ensuring that the
software has "a future" (whatever that means), and I know that I have
often been frustrated with many of the makers of closed-source software,
including IBM and various other software companies.

However, while I believe Linux can be a good alternative to OS/2 for
some types of desktop users, I think that it's questionable at best to
claim that any flavor of Linux is "a superior alternative" without
providing further qualification.

>How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world?

Not relevant at this time, as I currently have 32-bit hardware.  :-)

At the time I choose to move to another architecture, I will consider
my OS alternatives.  But that is not going to happen for some period
of time, probably measured in years.

>Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the
>books away.  Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and
>never look back.

Sorry, but I don't see OS/2 and Linux as being mutually exclusive (PCs
can have more than one OS installed), and on *my* desktop I still find
OS/2 to be the more "comfortable" of the two operating systems (FWIW,
I've been comparing Warp 4 to Red Hat 5.1 and SuSE 6.1, using either
KDE or AfterStep as the wm).

Besides, IBM really doesn't care what we home and SOHO users do, and I
think they've demonstrated that quite plainly over the past few years. 

I have better things to do than to choose a desktop OS simply to make a
point.  Personally, I'd rather have fun and enjoy using my machines, and
at this point in time I find OS/2 to be the better choice for the way I
choose to use my desktop.  So sue me.  :-)

>Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
>really counts.

How is Linux's console better, exactly?

I can cut and paste between consoles in each OS using third-party utils
(gpm and CLIPIT), and each runs the same software here (FTE, vim, pine,
lynx, slrn, and a good file manager [mc and ztb in Linux, FileJet in
OS/2]).  But Linux is lacking Yarn, a big minus in my eyes.

Also, as a general command shell, 4OS2 gives bash a very good run for
its money, and the native REXX in OS/2 more than makes up for 4OS2's
lack of sophisticated shell scripting.

I don't agree with your conclusions.  What is your reasoning?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
          Assumption #2: Bill Clinton is smarter than broccoli.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 10-Oct-99 10:28:03
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

[Posted and e-mailed]

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>quicky/crappy drivers?

I have an Adaptec 2940U here on this box and a 2940UW on the other OS/2
box here at home, and I've never had problems or quirkiness.

I know other folks who have used Adaptec controllers with no problems.

Why do you believe Adaptec cards have problems under OS/2?

>Please email and newsgroup.

That's not standard procedure, but I'll fork it to you anyway.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
        "It's certainly uncontaminated by cheese." - Monty Python

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             10-Oct-99 08:40:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 14:35:10
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> Antonio Relyea wrote:
> >
> > On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
> >
> > >Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from
them?
> >
> > OK, I have to admit I'm lost now.  I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5
different
> > localities on my OS/2 machine.  What "appropriate info?" are you talking
> > about?  If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
> > password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't
then
> > you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
> > your platform.  NOTE:  Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've
never
> > tried it).
> >
> > Any other "info" is unecessary.
> >
> > When I first arrived at my current location, I mad a phone call to a local
> > ISP, 10 minutes later I was checking my email.  (using PMMail)
> >
> > Tony.
> 
> There are some ISPs who send you software to use which is already
> configured for you.  The software is not OS/2 of course and the
> people on the help desk tell you you don't need any information
> just use the software they send you.  If you tell them their software
> won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
> support other platforms.
> --
The biggest offender with this is AOL.  The AOL software will only work
with Windows 9x, NT, or Macintosh.   Compuserve does this as well but
they offer a Windows 3.1 version of their software which I think will
run on OS/2.  There is also elderly "Compuserve Information Manager"
client in the Warp 4 GA Bonus Pak, I think, that will still work with
Compuserve.  But these national internet services are not really
necessary.  You are far better off, IMO, by signing up with a local ISP
and using Netscape Communicator to browse.  You get much better service,
better connections, better mail server, better support, etc.  And
usually for the same or less money.

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               10-Oct-99 19:20:27
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:09
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:

>
> I did get FP12 to seemingly function with the SB-16 card in my workstation
> at home, but that is the only box FP-12 seems to function on.  Everything
> else is a serious kludge of work arounds and do withouts.
>

What kind of problem on two different computers was it you tried to fix by
applying the FP?

This may be a reminder to many that you are not supposed to install fixpacks
unless there is something you need fixed which is noted as fixed on the
APAR-list
of the fixpack.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 13:02:25
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) said:

>I find using a throwaway Hotmail or similar email address works wonders; 

It would be better to use a fictitious domain so they don't pile up in
servers.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             10-Oct-99 15:05:15
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

When I tried sending using a fictitious domain name, DataTone refused to pass
on
the message and accused *me* of being a spammer. But DataTone *will* let me
use a
fictitious user name.

Alan

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) said:
>
> >I find using a throwaway Hotmail or similar email address works wonders;
>
> It would be better to use a fictitious domain so they don't pile up in
servers.
>
> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  10-Oct-99 16:12:03
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

This morning's Jerusalem Post newspaper carried a little article in its 
weekly computer section about a freeware program called Livepix, said to be
capable of many of the operations implemented in Photoshop -- not 
everything, of course, but the price is right. The download site is at:

http://www.futurenet.com/pcplus/article.asp?ID=8338

The program runs on Win3.11, so says the newspaper. I have NOT tried this 
program, although I probably will. Anyone who wishes to read the article 
(the newspaper is published in English, and so is its Website) can find it 
on:

http://www.jpost.co.il

I have no connection with either the software developer or the newspaper.


On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:31:35, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
> functionally equivalent to Photoshop?
> -- 
> Dale Erwin
> Dallas, Texas 
> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    10-Oct-99 16:08:25
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Stan Towianski (stantowianski@home.com) wrote:

: Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
: Which is a good one? and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?

	Well, Initio sells some nice cheap SCSI cards.  They have Fast 
SCSI-2, Ultra, and UltraWide models.  I know the SCSI-2 one went for $90 
CDN, while the Ultra went $100 CDN a few weeks ago.  They have Linux 
support at their website as well as OS/2 drivers for them (I have the Ultra).


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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             10-Oct-99 13:26:15
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

I have Adaptec Ultra2 SCSI on my Asus P2B-LS motherboard. It seems to work
fine with everything (Seagate Cheetah hd, internal NEC CD-ROM drive,
external SyQuest EZflyer) except my Seagate tape drive, for which I use a
separate cheap SCSI card. But this is not an OS/2-specific problem: I have
heard of many people doing this with other operating systems as well.

The one inconvenience (perhaps it can be classed as a bug) is that when the
machine did not shut down cleanly and HPFS partitions need to be cleaned up
on bootup, the automated execution of CHKDSK is amazingly slow. I find it
much quicker to boot from a maintenance partition, run CHKDSK manually on
the dirty partitions, then reboot to the normal Warp 4 partition.

Alan

Richard Steiner wrote:

> I have an Adaptec 2940U here on this box and a 2940UW on the other OS/2
> box here at home, and I've never had problems or quirkiness.
>
> I know other folks who have used Adaptec controllers with no problems.
>
> Why do you believe Adaptec cards have problems under OS/2?

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          10-Oct-99 16:36:03
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:29:40, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:

:There are some ISPs who send you software to use which is already
:configured for you.  The software is not OS/2 of course and the
:people on the help desk tell you you don't need any information
:just use the software they send you.  If you tell them their software
:won't run on your machine, they say they're sorry but they don't
:support other platforms.

 That's bizarre. I'd run screaming away from such an "ISP." The whole 
point of tcp/ip, the software on which the Internet runs, is that it's
platform-independent. If an ISP's support people are too ignorant to 
understand that, find a real ISP.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 10-Oct-99 18:42:10
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Win32

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> Peter Jespersen wrote:
> >
> > Dale Erwin wrote:
> >
> > > Do you really think this project will ever get off the ground?  It
> > > is certainly something that I would like to see happen, but Odin
> > > and its predecessor have been under development for about two years
> > > now, and I haven't seen any indications of success yet.
> > >
> > > I did hear that they had been able to get very simple programs to
> > > run successfully, but that was very early in the game long before the
> > > original development team abandoned it.
> >
> > IFAIK Odin is still very buggy, many of the modules are 50-60%
> > done...though!
> > Quake2 should be running very vell...games are always the
> > hardest, because games programmers always try to utilize hardware
> > the most, thereby using tricks and stuff that normal application
> > programmers would not use.
> >
> > The thing that has hold the project back the last months has been
> > project Everblue (A port of the X-lib library) which is to be
> > used for porting WINE to OS/2.

Open32 is integrated into the OS/2 system, giving a complete set
of funtions regarding dealing with the Windows registry. But it
is an incomplete solution and it looks like the development is
100% dependent on the development of Lotus Smartsuite (You could
say it was developed along as it was needed when Smartsuite was
ported). Thereby, in my book, making the development a closed
case.

WINE is both a more primitiv and complete solution. A condition
for using it is that you already have a MS-Windows9x installed,
for some of the more advanced operations of the Win32
applications. But the general idea is to cover all of the Win32
API.

Therefore Odin32 is a mix of both these solutions (read: best of
both worlds), giving the most smooth solution. 

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            10-Oct-99 17:37:04
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <GCLA4oHpvmWU092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:


>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>>quicky/crappy drivers?
>
>I have an Adaptec 2940U here on this box and a 2940UW on the other OS/2
>box here at home, and I've never had problems or quirkiness.
>-- 
>   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN

Likewise, I've never had any trouble with the 2940U, the 2940UW, the
2940UW Pro ... even the 3940UW dual hardware channel cards!

Then I hit the embedded Adaptec chipset on the ASUS motherboards and the
2940UW2 ... the latest incantation of the Adaptec 2940 cardset ...

At the present time we are going through the entire bit of proof and
system re-construction testing with both the embedded controller and the
latest 2940UW2 card.  We had to give up totally on the embedded chipset.
We still haven't given up totally on the latest model 2940 series card.
There seem to be all kinds of irregularities in these Adaptec
implementation of their product line which do not interface with the
Seagate Scorpion 4M DAT cartridge tape units.

There is an entire thread along this same paralell going on in the
usegroup comp.os.os2.apps right now with the BA/2 product herald.  It
has been a lot of work getting all the data into focus there and I
don't want to start a similar thread here..

One of the key issues in testing this stuff is that the latest Adaptec
drivers they furnish are much larger file sizes than the older ones.
There isn't enough room on the utility disks to hold these driver files.
Thus, if you want to even use the later drivers, you have to figure out
what you can pull off the utility disks to work with them. Further, if
you do use them on your hard disk, simply making up a new set of utility
disks is a problem, because the creation process can't fit all the stuff
on that disk with the newer Adaptec drivers as well ..


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         10-Oct-99 18:32:19
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT, Stan Towianski wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>quicky/crappy drivers?
>
I never had many problems with a 2940 card.

>Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
>Which is a good one?
>and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
>
I think the Tekram cards are pretty good. I'm using one at the moment.
I think they are significantly cheaper than the Adaptec ones.


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                10-Oct-99 13:49:00
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 16:28:10
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <nerylrnigrqh.fjcxuy0.pminews@news.supernews.com>,
"Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu> wrote:
>On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
>
>>Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from
them?
>
>OK, I have to admit I'm lost now.  I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
>localities on my OS/2 machine.  What "appropriate info?" are you talking
>about?  If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
>password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
>you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
>your platform.  NOTE:  Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
>tried it).
>

Actually, I just DUMPED an ISP because my OS/2 client wouldn't plug into their
NT server... no matter how much I and the ISP tech support team tried. The
offending ISP was www.snip.net. The really odd thing is, they even admitted it
was a problem at their end and had no idea how to rectify it. Amazing...

I'm back at ErolsPC and things are as usual...


--

*******************************************************************************

*            Sometimes, the BEST things in life really ARE free...           
*
*       Get a FREE copy of NetRexx 1.150 for your next java project at:      
*
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From: esko.kauppinen@ibm.net                            10-Oct-99 21:16:19
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:56:29
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:44:59 -0400, yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:

>In <rfxbxnhccvaravozarg.fjbgc40.pminews@news3.ibm.net>, on 10/08/99 
>   at 11:28 PM, "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net> said:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 23:03:00 -0400, J. R. Fox wrote:
>
>>>yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
>>>>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
>>>> 
>>>> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.  You can't get
>>>> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.  Unless you
>>>> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are screwed.
>>>> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater sound chips
>>>> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.  They have no
>>>> plans to.  They have moved onto chips with higher margins and greater
>>>> capabilities.
>>>> 
>>>> Give IBM a big round of applause for finally killing OS/2.
>>>> 
>>>> Roland
>>>> 
>>>
>>>I don't follow your logic here (or it is imprecisely written, 
>>>or I'm not reading it correctly): if this only applies to the
>>>ESS based cards, how does that account for 60 % of OS/2 users ?
>>>I doubt that many are using ESS.  At the moment, I've got 4 
>>>soundcards here (trying to line up the best one for Warp), and 
>>>*none* of them are ESS-based.  If you're saying that FP-12 
>>>breaks *any* installed soundcard -- and this turned out to be
>>>true -- that would indeed be serious.  But, to date, I haven't 
>>>heard this assertion anywhere else.
>>>
>>><jf>
>
>>And of the ESS cards it applies only to some if any.
>
>>I have a 1688 with a driver dated 23-OCT-98 and have no 
>>problems with FP 12.
>
>>ek
>
>
>and this is a chipset which has been shipping for just over a year.  The
>bulk of their line is older than that and used in MANY notebooks...not to
>mention low cost generic sound cards.
>
>Roland

The 1688? My laptop is at least 3 years old and has it.

Esko


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 15:08:24
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:56:29
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com> said:

>When I tried sending using a fictitious domain name, DataTone refused to pass
>on the message and accused *me* of being a spammer. But DataTone *will* let
me
>use a fictitious user name.

I see.  Interesting.  My ISP was sending messages through to me even if I used 
a
fictitious user name, so I started using the fictitious domain name.  To each
his own I guess.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: heloman@my-deja.com                               10-Oct-99 18:01:02
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: heloman@my-deja.com

In article <3800A099.2515E391@home.com>,
  Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
> quicky/crappy drivers?
>
> Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
> Which is a good one?
> and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
>
I am currently using a Buslogic (now owned by Mylex Corp) KT958
controller board. It is connected to a Fujitsu MO, Internal Zip,
Toshiba CD-Rom, IBM and Maxtor hard drives. It works without ANY
problems to this date.  IF you don't plan on running Ultra Scsi2
then this card should work for you. I recently tried to upgrade
my drive and by mistake I was sent a Ultra2. This card didn't
handle it well. It will do Ultra and Wide..Just the other day
upgraded the Bios and Firmware for the card from the mylex site.
Driver is a little on the old side but it still works o.k. The
card has 50 and 68 pin capability. As always your mileage may
vary..Good Luck!


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  10-Oct-99 18:09:10
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

Please disregard my earlier message quoted below. I have tried to access 
the page given in the newpaper article, and find that it doesn't exist 
(error 404), nor do the parent directories exist on that site, and the top 
directory is a place-holder.

I can only think that the author of the article from which I got it was 
smoking a controlled substance when he wrote his article, and/or is not 
brighter than most journalist. I apologize.

If a correct URL turns up. I will post it here.

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:12:06, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:

> This morning's Jerusalem Post newspaper carried a little article in its 
> weekly computer section about a freeware program called Livepix, said to be
> capable of many of the operations implemented in Photoshop -- not 
> everything, of course, but the price is right. The download site is at:
> 
> http://www.futurenet.com/pcplus/article.asp?ID=8338
> 
> The program runs on Win3.11, so says the newspaper. I have NOT tried this 
> program, although I probably will. Anyone who wishes to read the article 
> (the newspaper is published in English, and so is its Website) can find it 
> on:
> 
> http://www.jpost.co.il
> 
> I have no connection with either the software developer or the newspaper.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:31:35, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
> > functionally equivalent to Photoshop?
> > -- 
> > Dale Erwin
> > Dallas, Texas 
> > <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">
> 
> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
> 
> Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
> me. Sorry.
> Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
> 
> 


-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                10-Oct-99 17:44:09
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: VIO windows cascaded--how??

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:26:36, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael
Tennenbaum) wrote:

> 
> I like my OS/2 and DOS VDMs to open maximized, and whenever
> I do a new (re-)install, I eventually figure out which shift
> key to press while holding which mouse button to do this. 
> However, since setting up this new Philips 107B monitor
> (quite nice, thanks for all the advice btw) and changing the
> resolution, somehow all of them come up "stacked" (one atop
> the other) rather than sort of cascaded.  Is there some way
> to return it so the VIOs don't start up one on top of the
> other, but cascaded?

The problem is that you have them opening maximized, rather than
normal (i.e. "restored") but fully expanded.  Open one such window,
then do all of the following while holding down the Shift key:

- press the maximize/restore button to return the window to its
  restored state
- if the window isn't already expanded, drag a corner of the frame
  to expand it to its max size
- move the window to your preferred starting location
- close it

There's a downside to this:  each new window starts in the "next"
cascading position regardless of whether the previous window is
still open.  IOW, if you open two windows, the first will open
at, say, 0,0 and the 2nd at 18,18.  Even if you close these, the
next VIO window will still open at 36,36.  Eventually, some new
window will open at the top of the screen, but it will be at
24,0 (or thereabout) rather than 0,0.

BTW...  this query prompted me to fix my setup which was acting
like yours.  Having done so once this session, I find that I can't
reset the starting position again.  I guess you can only do this
once per boot-up.


   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

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From: jules@goes.com                                    10-Oct-99 14:35:07
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: jules@goes.com (Jules Greenstein)

        I recently installed the GRADD0.80 display drivers in my Warp 4 Fixpak
11 Matrox Millenium system.
        
        Now I would like to uninstall them and return to my Matrox 2.31
drivers.  Can someone tell me how?
        
        Simply changing my CONFIG.SYS to my previous Matrox version doesn't do
the job.  I get a System Stopped with a DOSCALL1 fault.  (Removing CONFIG
rerences to Process Commander doesn't help).
        
         I had decided to try the GRADD because of problems getting a WIN-OS2
window into my Comm4.61.
        With the latest GRADD I cannot get a WIN-OS2 window to install at all.
 (It appears invisibly and I have to kill it with Process Commander).
         Even more important, I have lost the ability to magnify my screen
with an MGA Hotkey which was a major virtue of the Matrox driver.
         
         Can someone advise me on:
          1. Uninstalling the GRADD and re-installing the Matrix, or
          2. Getting the GRADD to give me a seamless Win-os2 in and out of
Netscape and giving me the ability to magnify the screen with a hotkey.

           Thanks.
         


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From: heloman@my-deja.com                               10-Oct-99 18:41:00
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: OkiPage Printers

From: heloman@my-deja.com

I may be looking for another printer and am considering the
Okipage 10e or 10ex. I checked their (Oki) webpage and of course
NO OS/2 drivers. On the OS/2 device driver webpage it states the
Omni driver will support the 6e/6ex. Therefore, has/is anyone
using the Okipage printers and secondly, will the driver for the
6e/6ex work with the 10e/10ex printer? A local vendor rep stated
that it would support HP laserjet 4/5 emulation. Didn't see this
on their webpage so cannot confirm/deny. I await any response to
these questions. Thanks in advance.....


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           10-Oct-99 19:05:26
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

The web link works for me at 3 pm EDT Sunday, 10 Oct.

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:09:21, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:

> Please disregard my earlier message quoted below. I have tried to access 
> the page given in the newpaper article, and find that it doesn't exist 
> (error 404), nor do the parent directories exist on that site, and the top 
> directory is a place-holder.
> 
> I can only think that the author of the article from which I got it was 
> smoking a controlled substance when he wrote his article, and/or is not 
> brighter than most journalist. I apologize.
> 
> If a correct URL turns up. I will post it here.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:12:06, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:
> 
> > This morning's Jerusalem Post newspaper carried a little article in its 
> > weekly computer section about a freeware program called Livepix, said to
be
> > capable of many of the operations implemented in Photoshop -- not 
> > everything, of course, but the price is right. The download site is at:
> > 
> > http://www.futurenet.com/pcplus/article.asp?ID=8338
> > 
> > The program runs on Win3.11, so says the newspaper. I have NOT tried this 
> > program, although I probably will. Anyone who wishes to read the article 
> > (the newspaper is published in English, and so is its Website) can find it 

> > on:
> > 
> > http://www.jpost.co.il
> > 
> > I have no connection with either the software developer or the newspaper.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:31:35, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
> > > functionally equivalent to Photoshop?
> > > -- 
> > > Dale Erwin
> > > Dallas, Texas 
> > > <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">
> > 
> > -------------
> > Stan Goodman
> > Qiryat Tiv'on
> > Israel
> > 
> > Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not
reach
> > me. Sorry.
> > Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
> 
> Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
> me. Sorry.
> Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
> 
> 


--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          10-Oct-99 19:09:21
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: OS/2 nominations sought for SharewareJunkies.com Awards

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Opencity (opencity@aol.com) wrote:
: Nominations for the year's best shareware programs are being sought for the
: fourth annual SharewareJunkies.com Awards, to be presented on January 3,
2000
: by the popular Internet site SharewareJunkies.com.  Net surfers are invited
to
: cast their votes at http://www.sharewarejunkies.com between now and December
: 15.

I don't see any link or information about how to vote or submit
nominations.


Isaac

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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    10-Oct-99 14:09:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: In a nutshell, I still prefer OS/2 to Linux.

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:35:21 -0500, Richard Steiner wrote:

>Sorry, but I don't see OS/2 and Linux as being mutually exclusive (PCs
>can have more than one OS installed), and on *my* desktop I still find
>OS/2 to be the more "comfortable" of the two operating systems (FWIW,
>I've been comparing Warp 4 to Red Hat 5.1 and SuSE 6.1, using either
>KDE or AfterStep as the wm).
>-- 
>   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>          Assumption #2: Bill Clinton is smarter than broccoli.

I agree.  Linux is a lot of fun to play with, it has some neat features that
I like.  However, for any real PC work I still rely on my OS/2 Warp 4
partition.  For some of my favorite classic games I still rely on my DOS
partition.  As soon as I get my hands on a copy, I'll rely on my (not yet
existing) Windows NT partition for the Win32 software that I want.  Linux's
biggest downfall is that it is often very complicated to configure some
pieces of software.  For instance, I still have not figured out how to boot
MS-DOS under dosemu and gain access to my DOS drives at the same time.  I'll
get it, it'll just take some time tweaking it.

Why should I let anyone other than me decide how and when I use my computer?

Tony.


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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           10-Oct-99 19:09:29
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:05:52, jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela) 
wrote:

> The web link works for me at 3 pm EDT Sunday, 10 Oct.

..and it says the program runs on Win95.  No mention of 3.1x. 

--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: Unknown                                           10-Oct-99 21:13:04
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Colin Brace <cbrace@lim_.nl

In <3800A099.2515E391@home.com>, on 10/10/99 
   at 02:19 PM, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com> said:

> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
> quicky/crappy drivers?

I had a lot of problems (lockups) with the Adaptec 78u2w driver, a scsi
HD, and my scanner. apprently the driver is flaky. I would stay away from
Adaptec. I've heard good things about Tekram...

-- 
  Colin Brace <cb 'at' lim.nl>
  Amsterdam
  http://www.lim.nl


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From: cbrace@lim.nl                                     10-Oct-99 21:18:22
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Colin Brace <cbrace@lim.nl>

In <s01jm5chh1s48@corp.supernews.com>, on 10/10/99 
   at 05:37 PM, mike.luther@ziplog.com said:

> Then I hit the embedded Adaptec chipset on the ASUS motherboards and the
> 2940UW2 ... the latest incantation of the Adaptec 2940 cardset ...

> At the present time we are going through the entire bit of proof and
> system re-construction testing with both the embedded controller and the
> latest 2940UW2 card.  We had to give up totally on the embedded
> chipset.

I had a lot of problems with this controller too, in particular with my
scanner. Is there any way of completely disabling it? At one point I tried
a 2nd controller, a Tekram PCI, but I kept having conflicts with my
network card, so I returned it.

-- 
  Colin Brace 
  Amsterdam
  http://www.lim.nl


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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          10-Oct-99 19:25:02
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Dave {Reply Address in.sig} (noone@llondel.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT, Stan Towianski wrote:

: >Hi,
: >
: >Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
: >quicky/crappy drivers?
: >
: I never had many problems with a 2940 card.

: >Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
: >Which is a good one?
: >and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
: >
: I think the Tekram cards are pretty good. I'm using one at the moment.
: I think they are significantly cheaper than the Adaptec ones.

I've heard some pretty good things about the Tekram cards.
However, my local shop told me that it has some odd problems vs. the
Adaptec. The one he mentioned was that the Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't update
BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards, but were fine with the Adaptec.

If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The Tekram's
are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.

I'm planning to use it for CD-R, Scanner and in the future, bootable Hard
Drives. Recommendations welcome!


Isaac

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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                10-Oct-99 18:27:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:13:28, Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Doug Bissett wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:07:59, Robert Dohrenburg
> > <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
> > > controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
> > > works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.
> > >
[snip]
> > 
> > Are you sure you got that right??? It is known that a SLAVE, without a
> > MASTER, will sometimes work with older OS/2 IDE drivers, and with
> > windows systems, but it will NOT work (it should NEVER work, under any
> > circumstances) with the later OS/2 IDE driver.
> > 
> > The basic rule (for each controller), is that if a controller has a
> > single device attached, it MUST be a MASTER. If there is a second
> > device attached, it MUST be a SLAVE. If your device won't work, as a
> > single device on the interface, as a MASTER, then it is breaking the
> > rules, especially, if it does work as a SLAVE, without a MASTER.
> 
> Just an update on my reply.
> 
> This is what I get from rmview:
> 
> /START
[snip]
> 
>     Adapter: IDE_1 ST506/IDE Controller
>     Device Type: MS-IDE         Bus/Width: PCI 16 BIT
>     IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
>     I/O = 0X0170  Len =   8  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
>     I/O = 0X0376  Len =   1  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
> 
>       Device: HD_0 Hard Drive   FIXED  DISK
> 
>       Device: ATAPI_0 IDE CDROM Drive   FIXED  CDROM
> 
[snip]
> 
> /END
> 
> I dont have a secondary master, so why is rmview reporting a "Hard
> Drive"?

IBM1S506 has /FORCE and /GEO() parms which it automatically uses if
there isn't a master on the adapter.  It sets up a "drive" whose
CHS geometry is 0,0,0 (presumably to comply with the "rules").

I used to have a tired old 2x CD attached to my tired old 486-PCI
mb that took IBM1S506 several minutes to find until I made it the
secondary slave with no secondary master.  Thereafter, it took about
30 seconds to find.  Using the /!R (noreset) parm for the controller
and /ATAPI for the device may have helped also.  It worked/I was happy.


   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

                |             - DragText v3.1 -
Rich Walsh      |  A Distinctly Different Desktop Enhancement
Ft Myers, FL    |  New!  Pickup & Drop for text, and more...
                |  http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/
___________________________________________________________________

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From: jerryw12@home.com                                 10-Oct-99 19:56:14
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: jerryw12 <jerryw12@home.com>

add the line:

set scuseprettyclock=1

to your config.sys and reboot

Jan Swartling wrote:

> How do I get the System Clock in Warp 4 to display a 4-digit year? (OS/2
> System>System Setup>System Clock). I thought this would be in one of the
> Y2K fixpacks.
>
>  Now it display 07-10-99
>  I like to show 07-10-1999
>
> How would it display next year?
>
> Also,
>
> if I the enter the Date command in a DOS windows  it show a 2-digit year.
>
> if I enter the Date command  in an OS/2 Windows it show a 4-digit year.
>
> I have fixpack 9 installed.
>
> What gives?
>
> Jan Swartling
>  Blue Soft
>  Sweden

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From: jerryw12@home.com                                 10-Oct-99 20:04:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: which CD-R for OS/2?

From: jerryw12 <jerryw12@home.com>

hi there

        My YAMAHA 4416s has worked fine for almost a year now no
complaints

Jonathan Sivier wrote:

>    I'm interested in adding a rewritable CD drive to my system.  Which
> one(s) are supported by OS/2?  Does anyone have any recommendations?
>
>    Thanks for any information.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> |  Jonathan Sivier      |  Flight Simulation Lab       |
> |  j-sivier@uiuc.edu    |  Beckman Institute           |
> |  Work: 217/244-1923   |  405 N. Mathews              |
> |  Home: 217/359-8225   |  Urbana, IL  61801           |
> --------------------------------------------------------
> |  Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier  |
> --------------------------------------------------------

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     10-Oct-99 20:15:07
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: HELP.JAVA 1.1.8 will not start - PROBLEM SOLVED

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:02:04, elygre@c2i.net (Einar Lygre) wrote:

..snip...
> 
> Thank you  Doug for your interest in my problem. 
> The solution was indeed very simple, but shows at the same time some 
> of the complexity with all those different applications using java.
> I installes Domino (Notes) two years ago. Domino had (has?) its own 
> version of Java. The path to Domino was also in the Libpath and Path -
> but before all pointers  to JAVA11 directories.
> I have downloaded StarOffice as well but not installed it yet, and 
> StarOffice should also have its own version of Java, so I have to be 
> carefull.
> 
> Einar Lygre
> From the land of the midnight sun

StarOffice, is (was?) kind enough to supply the JAVA 1,1,7 install 
stuff, but it made no attempt to install it. The docs simply said, 
something to the effect of "if you need JAVA, this is how to install 
it", and gave you instructions. I already had JAVA 1.1.7 installed, 
and StarOffice picked it up, without any problems. I have since 
updated to JAVA 1.1.8, and the fixes, and StarOffice is still just as 
happy.

As a point of interest: When I first installed a later version of JAVA
(1.1.4, I think), the original JAVA, that came with NS2.02, was still,
first, in my CLASSPATH. This didn't make a lot of sense, so I changed 
my CLASSPATH to point ONLY to my new JAVA CLASSES.ZIP file (the one in
/JAVA11). This works good. Now, the 1.1.8 version has added another 
entry to CLASSPATH, that I think has something to do with SWING. It 
added the entry after the old one, and, so far, I have had no reason 
to even think about what the new entry is.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     10-Oct-99 20:15:08
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Source for m-board batt.

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:54:41, Dale Winters <dwinters@redrose.net> 
wrote:

> I believe the batt. on my moboard is giving up the ghost[g]. Im starting
> to have time and date
> problems when I fire the old girl up. They are always wrong. Does anyone
> have a url where i can
> get a new batt.....or , does staples or some chain store like that
> haveum??? Thanks,Dale
> 

It depends a lot on what kind of battery is on the mb. If it is 
soldered on, you don't have a lot of hope, but you may be able to rig 
something up to replace it (be sure to remove the old battery, before 
it starts to leak). On the other hand, if it is the usual button type 
of battery, just get the number off of it, and go to Radio Shack (or 
any other place where you can get batteries for things like cameras). 
You should be able to find a replacement. The other possibility, is a 
special battery, that would only be available from the manufacturer 
(unlikely, but possible). You would need to go to the manufacturer to 
get one.

You should also record ALL of the BIOS settings, before they go away. 
You should be able to remove the battery for a short period of time, 
without losing the BIOS settings (not all machines will lose the 
settings if you remove the battery), but don't keep it out for too 
long.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    10-Oct-99 20:11:29
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: USB mouse support?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Stan Goodman (l_luciano@da.mob) wrote:

: Many thanks for both the responses to the query. I misphrased the question:
: This is not a MB question; the fact that the board has a USB port is the 
: reason I asked the question.

	No, no...in a way, it was a MB question.  OS/2's current USB 
driver only supports the (I now I have this spelled wrong) UHCPI USB 
chipset which is only on Intel and VIA chipset motherboards.  OHCPI is 
what is being used for SiS, ALi, and Opti motherboards and those will not 
work under OS/2 where USB is concerned since the current OS/2 driver for 
it will not support OHCPI.

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From: rknebel@rknebel.uplink.net                        10-Oct-99 15:24:02
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Install Problem

From: rknebel@rknebel.uplink.net (Rick Knebel)

Hi,

I am trying to install Warp 4 on my new machine.
i have a logitech 3 button bus mouse.

When I get to the graphical sceen at the end of Install disk 2 and hit
return i get this error screen that says

sysoo49 The mouse$ device is not functioning.

What can i do about this


-- 
Rick Knebel
rknebel@uplink.net
http://rknebel.uplink.net

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               10-Oct-99 20:30:09
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: OkiPage Printers

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:41:00, heloman@my-deja.com wrote:

> I may be looking for another printer and am considering the
> Okipage 10e or 10ex. I checked their (Oki) webpage and of course
> NO OS/2 drivers. On the OS/2 device driver webpage it states the
> Omni driver will support the 6e/6ex. Therefore, has/is anyone
> using the Okipage printers and secondly, will the driver for the
> 6e/6ex work with the 10e/10ex printer? A local vendor rep stated
> that it would support HP laserjet 4/5 emulation. Didn't see this
> on their webpage so cannot confirm/deny. I await any response to
> these questions. Thanks in advance.....
> 

I don't know, but I have an old OL610e.  It has no OS/2 drivers, but 
runs fine under the LaserJet 4P or the OL810e driver for OS/2.

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                10-Oct-99 15:55:22
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Win32

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Peter Jespersen wrote:
> 
> Dale Erwin wrote:
> >
> > Peter Jespersen wrote:
> > >
> > > Dale Erwin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you really think this project will ever get off the ground?  It
> > > > is certainly something that I would like to see happen, but Odin
> > > > and its predecessor have been under development for about two years
> > > > now, and I haven't seen any indications of success yet.
> > > >
> > > > I did hear that they had been able to get very simple programs to
> > > > run successfully, but that was very early in the game long before the
> > > > original development team abandoned it.
> > >
> > > IFAIK Odin is still very buggy, many of the modules are 50-60%
> > > done...though!
> > > Quake2 should be running very vell...games are always the
> > > hardest, because games programmers always try to utilize hardware
> > > the most, thereby using tricks and stuff that normal application
> > > programmers would not use.
> > >
> > > The thing that has hold the project back the last months has been
> > > project Everblue (A port of the X-lib library) which is to be
> > > used for porting WINE to OS/2.
> 
> Open32 is integrated into the OS/2 system, giving a complete set
> of funtions regarding dealing with the Windows registry. But it
> is an incomplete solution and it looks like the development is
> 100% dependent on the development of Lotus Smartsuite (You could
> say it was developed along as it was needed when Smartsuite was
> ported). Thereby, in my book, making the development a closed
> case.
> 
> WINE is both a more primitiv and complete solution. A condition
> for using it is that you already have a MS-Windows9x installed,
> for some of the more advanced operations of the Win32
> applications. But the general idea is to cover all of the Win32
> API.
> 
> Therefore Odin32 is a mix of both these solutions (read: best of
> both worlds), giving the most smooth solution.

The why would the WINE/2 port take precedence over Odin?
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               10-Oct-99 13:59:04
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Different versions of Warp.

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 19:56:31 -0400, N. Kaba wrote:

>Thanks for the reply. One system would be running Win95, the other two
>will be running OS/2.

You're probably better off staying with the peer (Warp Connect, Warp 4).    I
don't think you would want the server.   That's a different ball game.


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From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net                              10-Oct-99 21:01:19
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net (Harald Portig)

I am using a Tekram DC-390F with only a Yamaha 4416 CD-RW attached and
haven't had any problems with either (using RSJ CD burner software).  
Before attaching the Yamaha I tried attaching an external JAZ 2Gb 
drive for a day and had no problem there either.

When the system boots, the SCSI card reports that a BIOS is not 
installed.  I was told that this is expected when no hard drives are 
attached to the adapter.  Also I have not tried to update the BIOS on 
either the Tekram or the Yamaha.

Harald Portig

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:25:05, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

> If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The Tekram's
> are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.
> 
> I'm planning to use it for CD-R, Scanner and in the future, bootable Hard
> Drives. Recommendations welcome!

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From: possum@fred.net                                   10-Oct-99 20:49:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: possum@fred.net (Mike Trettel)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>quicky/crappy drivers?
>
>Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
>Which is a good one?
>and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?

Symbios Logic and Mylex both work very well under OS/2 and Linux, are
fully supported, and do not cost an arm and a leg.  My Symbios 875SP
costs all of $70-not too bad for an ultrawide card!

-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  10-Oct-99 21:08:01
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:09:58, jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela) wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:05:52, jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela) 
> wrote:
> 
> > The web link works for me at 3 pm EDT Sunday, 10 Oct.
> 
> ...and it says the program runs on Win95.  No mention of 3.1x. 

Quite right you are; I was quoting from the newspaper, which did say 
Win3.11.

I have tried again to visit the page, and have downloaded the files. 
Perhaps it will install under Win32s.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           10-Oct-99 21:18:29
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:15, jules@goes.com (Jules Greenstein) wrote:

>         I recently installed the GRADD0.80 display drivers in my Warp 4
Fixpak
> 11 Matrox Millenium system.
>         
>         Now I would like to uninstall them and return to my Matrox 2.31
> drivers.  Can someone tell me how?
>         
>         Simply changing my CONFIG.SYS to my previous Matrox version doesn't
do
> the job.  I get a System Stopped with a DOSCALL1 fault.  (Removing CONFIG
> rerences to Process Commander doesn't help).
>         
>          I had decided to try the GRADD because of problems getting a
WIN-OS2
> window into my Comm4.61.
>         With the latest GRADD I cannot get a WIN-OS2 window to install at
all.
>  (It appears invisibly and I have to kill it with Process Commander).
>          Even more important, I have lost the ability to magnify my screen
> with an MGA Hotkey which was a major virtue of the Matrox driver.
>          
>          Can someone advise me on:
>           1. Uninstalling the GRADD and re-installing the Matrix, or
>           2. Getting the GRADD to give me a seamless Win-os2 in and out of
> Netscape and giving me the ability to magnify the screen with a hotkey.
> 

When you boot your system, press ALT-F1 at the "OS/2 boot blob"
and choose the option that resets the video drivers to VGA. After it's
finished and your desktop comes up in the ugly 16 colour VGA mode,
install the Matrox drivers.

Lorne Sunley


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From: steeltoe@kickass.com                              11-Oct-99 00:07:23
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: steeltoe@kickass.com

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:49:15, mike.luther@ziplog.com wrote:

> In <7tns70$gb$1@news.panix.com>, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) writes:
> >Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> 
> >I had FP11 before my ill-fated attempt at 12 and I did not see any problem
> >then, but maybe I was lucky? I am now at FP6, so perhaps I should not
> >tempt fate? There was something I needed from one of the later FPs but I
> >don't remember what it was.
> 
>   A Y2K morsel, perhaps?  AFAIKR, some of the secondary fixes were
>   beyond FP6 ..
> 
> --> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)
> 
> Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
> Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org
> 

Back in June I changed bios date to 12/31/99 and fp6 operated fine for
a week or
two until I changed back to 'real time'.  That was my idea of a Y2K 
test for Warp.
Did I miss something? Is fp6 not ready for Y2K??

Vacuo

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         10-Oct-99 21:15:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:08:49 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com> said:
>
>>When I tried sending using a fictitious domain name, DataTone refused to
pass
>>on the message and accused *me* of being a spammer. But DataTone *will* let
me
>>use a fictitious user name.
>
>I see.  Interesting.  My ISP was sending messages through to me even if I
used a
>fictitious user name, so I started using the fictitious domain name.  To each
>his own I guess.
>
You just need to configure your smtp stuff to bounce mail to unknown
usernames. If you reply to this one it'll bounce because my system will
object to user "noone".

Of course, if you've got some sort of POP3 setup then you're stuck.


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 19:17:08
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk> said:

>You just need to configure your smtp stuff to bounce mail to unknown
usernames.

I know that works.  I'm only saying it still clogs the ISP with spam.  If your
ISP will permit fictitious domain names as mine does, it will not be delivered
to either you or your ISP.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               10-Oct-99 23:52:06
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article
<dF1xEfk5flPE-pn2-hqbTwdgldxg0@h-207-148-135-207.dial.cadvision.com>,
	rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) writes:
> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
> 
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
> mailing list.

I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
reasons:

- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
  through.
- On those occasions when the return address is real, the account is a
  "throwaway" account that the spammer doesn't intend to use.  You'll just
  ignore the spammer's ISP, who's probably a victim, too.
- Spammers sometimes use forged return addresses that correspond to people
  they want to attack, and rely upon people to complain and (the spammer
  hopes) get the victim kicked off the Internet, or at least left
  dealing with thousands of angry messages.
- Replying with hundreds of replies is itself an abuse of the Internet
  that's likely to get YOU in hot water with your own ISP.

If you want to know about LEGITIMATE methods of fighting spam, I suggest
you pick up the O'Reilly book, _Stopping Spam_, by Alan Schwartz & Simson
Garfinkel.  There's little or nothing on the topic on OS/2 and OS/2
programs specifically, but there's lots of useful general-purpose
information.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    10-Oct-99 18:44:11
  To: All                                               10-Oct-99 21:15:25
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:49:00 -0400, Jerry McBride wrote:

>Actually, I just DUMPED an ISP because my OS/2 client wouldn't plug into
their
>NT server... no matter how much I and the ISP tech support team tried. The
>offending ISP was www.snip.net. The really odd thing is, they even admitted
it
>was a problem at their end and had no idea how to rectify it. Amazing...
>
>I'm back at ErolsPC and things are as usual...

OK, so there are a few out there that are difficult, but as you can see,
rectifying the situation is as easy as switching ISP's.

Tony.


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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              10-Oct-99 21:06:25
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:32:38 +0100, Dave {Reply Address in.sig} wrote:
:>I think the Tekram cards are pretty good. I'm using one at the moment.
:>I think they are significantly cheaper than the Adaptec ones.
:>

I'll second that.  I went from a DPT card to a Tekram and am very happy.

		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)918-2480



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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  10-Oct-99 22:09:14
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: mchasson@ibm.net

In <7tr9oj$9pl$0@198.69.29.144>, on 10/11/99 at 12:07 AM,
   steeltoe@kickass.com said:

>On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:49:15, mike.luther@ziplog.com wrote:

>> In <7tns70$gb$1@news.panix.com>, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) writes:
>> >Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
>> 
>> >I had FP11 before my ill-fated attempt at 12 and I did not see any problem
>> >then, but maybe I was lucky? I am now at FP6, so perhaps I should not
>> >tempt fate? There was something I needed from one of the later FPs but I
>> >don't remember what it was.
>> 
>>   A Y2K morsel, perhaps?  AFAIKR, some of the secondary fixes were
>>   beyond FP6 ..
>> 
>> --> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)
>> 
>> Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
>> Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org
>> 

>Back in June I changed bios date to 12/31/99 and fp6 operated fine for a
>week or
>two until I changed back to 'real time'.  That was my idea of a Y2K  test
>for Warp.
>Did I miss something? Is fp6 not ready for Y2K??

>Vacuo

No

-- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51 

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                10-Oct-99 22:44:03
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 03:59:11
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) said:
>I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
>reasons:

>- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
>  through.

Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if they
don't have an address or have a fake address?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net                     11-Oct-99 04:40:22
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Lost DOS support after mobo upgrade...help!

From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net (Zephyr Q)

	Just upgraded my mobo and processor (from a 486 to a PI-166
on a VIA chipset) and I lost my ability to run DOS apps.  
I've tried to restore from backups, and have played with 
re-installing elements from the maintanence desktop...but I 
still can't get DOS to run (during boot-up, I get an error 
to this effect).

	I am also dealing with other minor annoyances, such as 
losing my ability to use Xit (I lost the ability to use my 
middle mouse button) and not being able to get any mouse 
settings to recognize it.

	Now, in all honesty, I did upgrade to a mobo that had a 
PS/2 port for my mouse; but no matter how I reinstall my 
mouse (as a PS/2 or other), it won't read my middle button.

	Anyway to get DOS running again (so I can play my silly 
little games) and my middle mouse button working W/O having 
to reinstall from scratch??

	Thank you.






~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  Finding his place in   ~
~   Cosmos,               ~
~  Directed only by Him   ~
~   who created the       ~
~    Kosmos               ~ 
~               Zephyr Q  ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please remove "I HATE SPAM" to
 reply to e-mail address.

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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               11-Oct-99 04:10:22
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article <38014f2b$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
	lifedata@xxvol.com writes:
> rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) said:
>>I must add my voice to those saying this is a very bad idea, for several
>>reasons:
> 
>>- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
>>  through.
> 
> Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if
they
> don't have an address or have a fake address?

You need to examine the mail headers.  Most mail clients don't show these
to you by default, but most do have an option to reveal them.  They may
or may not get saved when you save the mail to a file.  Here's an
annotated example (I've changed a few details to protect those who may be
innocent victims, and trimmed extraneous headings):

: From mailman@luftland.com  Thu Sep 23 09:15:56 1999
: Return-Path: <mailman@luftland.com>

These two lines aren't terribly informative.

: Delivered-To: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

You may or may not see this line. If present, it should be your own e-mail
address.

: Received: from luftland.com (server.jbpublishing.com [198.137.152.250])
:         by adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id
B554270921
:         for <rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net>; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 
09:
: 15:55 -0400 (EDT)
: Received: from localhost (nmd_serv@localhost)
:         by luftland.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19957;
:         Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:28:09 -0700 (PDT)

These are the core of the matter.  Each system that receives an e-mail
message adds a "Received" header, which takes the form "from
sender.address by current.address" (possibly with extra stuff added, as
above).  Many MTAs (mail transfer agents -- the e-mail server software)
include the IP address of the machine from which it's received the
message (I've changed it above).  The one at the top ("from
luftland.com") is the most recent.  In this case, it was my DSL-connected
computer, which received a message from server.jbpublishing.com, aka
luftland.com (I've altered the names and IP address).  The next line
reveals that a mail server calling itself luftland.com received its mail
from localhost (the name most UNIX systems give themselves for internal
use).  This spam is unusual in that it has only the two Received: lines,
indicating that the spammer's machine talked DIRECTLY to mine.  If you
receive mail via a POP server, there'll be at least three Received:
lines.  Spammers' ISPs often add another, so four isn't unusual. 
Sometimes networks relay mail through several machines, so the total can
go even higher.

Normally, the LAST Received: line is the one that contains the critical
information.  Most spam has a final Received line that indicates it was
received by some ISP's mail server from a dialup PPP link.  The one I've
just quoted is unusual in that the spam appears to have originated on the
same system as the MTA, and that system is a UNIX system that appears to
have its own IP address (not a dialup account).  You normally want to
report the spammer to the abuse and/or postmaster accounts at the ISP(s)
involved.  For instance, if the Received: line showed that mail was
received by mail2.someisp.net from ppp-23298-a.someisp.net, then you'd
send e-mail to abuse@someisp.net and/or postmaster@someisp.net.  If you
have access to whois, you can also try doing "whois someisp.net", which
should get you assorted information, including postal addresses, phone
numbers, and administrative contacts.

All this said, spammers can do things to throw you off.  For instance,
they can use "stolen" PPP accounts, accounts opened under false names,
and open mail relays.  The last of these are systems that are
misconfigured to accept and forward mail from non-local sites.  (This
used to be accepted common courtesy on the Internet, but in today's spam
climate, open relays are generally considered to be Bad Things.)  For
instance, a spammer using a dialup PPP account from someisp.net could
point e-mail software to smtp.dumbadmin.com and send out e-mail.  The
people at dumbadmin.com would then get e-mail complaining of the spam. 
You can spot this by the Received: line -- it would show mail received
from ppp-23298-a.someisp.net by smtp.dumbadmin.com.  In this case, you
should send mail to both dumbadmin.com AND someisp.net.  (My
DSL-connected Linux box has actually been subjected to unsolicited probes
by spammers to determine if it's an open relay, which it isn't.)

Spammers also sometimes add bogus Received: headers.  These will typically
be separated from other Received: headers by additional e-mail headers,
and they may contain nonsensical information.  Sometimes the spammer's own
system adds the first Received: header, as when the spammer uses a UNIX
system on a dialup ISP line.  The system name will probably be localhost,
something bogus, or something that reveals the client nature of the system
(like my own hostname, adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net).

: Received: by luftland.com (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:37:41
-0700

This Received: header seems to have been added by the mailer program. 
It's not terribly useful.

: To: Mail_List_Subscriber@luftland.com

This is nearly useless.

: From: mailman@luftland.com

This is easily forged.

: Message-ID: <bulk.8113.19990922153741@luftland.com>

The message ID sometimes contains a clue about the origin.  It's a unique
ID for the mail.  It generally consists of a code generated by the mail
program (bulk.8113.19990922153741) followed by the originating computer.

Various MTAs and other mail software add various additional headers, most
of which are useless in tracking the mail to the source.

If you want to learn more, check out _Stopping Spam_ from O'Reilly.  I've
got a link to its page on Amazon.com on my web page, if you're interested:
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod/books.html

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: bhk@dsl.co.uk                                     11-Oct-99 00:58:05
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})

On Sunday, in article
     <38011f1b$2$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com> lifedata@xxvol.com
     wrote:

> "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk> said:
> 
> >You just need to configure your smtp stuff to bounce mail to unknown
usernames.
> 
> I know that works.  I'm only saying it still clogs the ISP with spam.  If
your
> ISP will permit fictitious domain names as mine does, it will not be
delivered
> to either you or your ISP.

But what may be a fictitoius name today might be some poor bugger's real
domain tomorrow --- at which point, THEY get all the spam you've been
avoiding.

To emphasize this point, many moons ago someone best known as {R}
registered the node nospam.demon.co.uk which some people had been using,
(albeit that it was strictly against the AUP of Demon Internet).  (Richard
did this, inter alia, as a favour to other Demonites, but also performed
statistical analysis on the UCE that the node attracted.)

What's to prevent someone registering the domain xxvol.com tomorrow? 

Most AUPs (well, those that have any clue themselves, and are respectful
of the troubles that can be caused otherwise) will only permit one to use
an address which CANNOT cause undesired traffci to be delivered, or
attempted to be delivered, to anyone else, now OR IN THE FUTURE.

Now if the "fictitious" top-level domain nospam were to be registered
(preferably with a wildcard MX record pointing to [127.0.0.1]) then
anyone could validly use that.  But at present no such domain exists
(although many people appear to post from it).  So placing such a
fictitious TLD into the UCEers' "50 million mailboxes" database means
that each UCE sender imposes an unnecessary burden upon the limited
(there's only 14 of them) root nameservers that support the DNS.

(Actually, this burden isn't as great as it might sound: apparently, of
the queries received by these root servers [well, those that are ONLY
root servers], just 1.5% is traffic enquiring after a genuine top-level
domain.  A further 3.5% are enquiries for non-existent [ie "fictitious"]
TLDs.  The remaining 95% are enquiries for the domains WORKGROUP and
DEFAULT [the respective defaults for WfWG/Win'9[58] and WinNT].  Sigh!)

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                         bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "But we're a university.  We /have/ to have a library!..."said Ridcully,
         "What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the library?"
    "Students", said the Senior Wrangler, morosely. [TP: The Last Continent]

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From: malkajef@orthohelp.com                            10-Oct-99 22:37:15
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Y2K fixpak

From: "Jeff Malka" <malkajef@orthohelp.com>

I have not had to add too many fixpaks to my Warp 4 system.

I will however need to do so to keep it Y2k functional.  Which is the fixpak
to install that is known to be Y2K OK and also stable?

Thanks.

--
Jeff Malka <malkajef@orthohelp.com>


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From: pfitz@ican.net                                    11-Oct-99 08:40:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Peter Fitzsimons <pfitz@ican.net>

> The one inconvenience (perhaps it can be classed as a bug) is that when the
> machine did not shut down cleanly and HPFS partitions need to be cleaned up
> on bootup, the automated execution of CHKDSK is amazingly slow. I find it

Replace \os2\boot\aic7870.add with the original Warp 4 GA version. It
will speed up your boot time by about 1 min too (YMMV).

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 11-Oct-99 00:01:23
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: VIO windows cascaded--how??

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson) wrote:

>In <sdAA4oXf03vG092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum) writes:
>
>>I like my OS/2 and DOS VDMs to open maximized, and whenever
>>I do a new (re-)install, I eventually figure out which shift
>>key to press while holding which mouse button to do this. 
>>However, since setting up this new Philips 107B monitor
>>(quite nice, thanks for all the advice btw) and changing the
>>resolution, somehow all of them come up "stacked" (one atop
>>the other) rather than sort of cascaded.  Is there some way
>>to return it so the VIOs don't start up one on top of the
>>other, but cascaded?
>
>Bring up the Window List (CTRL-ESC or MB1+2), highlight the VIO 
>windows and click MB2, select "Cascade" from the menu.
>
>-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

Does that work for you?  It was the first thing I tried, no
dice here.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 11-Oct-99 00:03:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: VIO windows cascaded--how??

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh) wrote:

>The problem is that you have them opening maximized, rather than
>normal (i.e. "restored") but fully expanded.  Open one such window,
>then do all of the following while holding down the Shift key:
>
>- press the maximize/restore button to return the window to its
>  restored state
>- if the window isn't already expanded, drag a corner of the frame
>  to expand it to its max size
>- move the window to your preferred starting location
>- close it
>
>There's a downside to this:  each new window starts in the "next"
>cascading position regardless of whether the previous window is
>still open.  IOW, if you open two windows, the first will open
>at, say, 0,0 and the 2nd at 18,18.  Even if you close these, the
>next VIO window will still open at 36,36.  Eventually, some new
>window will open at the top of the screen, but it will be at
>24,0 (or thereabout) rather than 0,0.
>
>BTW...  this query prompted me to fix my setup which was acting
>like yours.  Having done so once this session, I find that I can't
>reset the starting position again.  I guess you can only do this
>once per boot-up.

Thanks, Rich, that did it.  I don't mind that downside,
there's only three or four VIOs I care that much about, and
they're in my startup folder. 

Still haven't quite got the hang of DragText, but I'll keep
trying.  Bit of a downer for me that I can't change the
mouse buttons -- for some reason I like them reversed -- but
I know it's a pretty deep issue.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           11-Oct-99 00:27:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <38008937.832DF95C@isomedia.com>, on 10/10/99 at 08:40 AM,
   "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com> said:

> > --
> The biggest offender with this is AOL.  The AOL software will only work
> with Windows 9x, NT, or Macintosh.   Compuserve does this as well but
> they offer a Windows 3.1 version of their software which I think will
> run on OS/2.  There is also elderly "Compuserve Information Manager"
> client in the Warp 4 GA Bonus Pak, I think, that will still work with
> Compuserve.

Nope, if you have a Compuserve account and use CIM for OS/2, it tells you
that this version is no longer supported. I closed my Compuserve account 2
years or so ago because of this. Now when I get CS cd's with 100 free
hours, etc. in the mail, I put them back in the box after marking them
"Refused. Return to Sender". Costs CS about 65 cents each time.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com                              11-Oct-99 05:17:11
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: My journey into LinuxLand

From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com (Ron Blatt)

Spurred by the recent announcement about the planned discontinuation
of the free downloading from Software Choice, I decided it was time to
simply see what Linux had to offer me. (Understand that I don't
believe IBM has no right to charge for their products, it's just
simply out of my budget to spend that much every 2 years, and for my
part-time job, I will need the latest JDK). Keep in mind this wasn't
my virgin voyage into Linux, but the first time I installed was about
2 years ago, and there have been considerable advances in the Window
Manager arena (notably GNOME) that have come about. Please view this
posting as a take on Linux from an avid OS/2 user's perspective.

I first tried installing the Debian distribution, after studying up on
the differences btw the various distributions. Originally I was going
to go with RedHat, because I was familiar with it, and the RPM package
management is soooo easy for someone who's GCC gun-shy. (note: RPMs
are gzipped packages that can be installed, updated, and erased with
single commands... no compiling required). I liked the idea of having
more control over my system, and Debian however has introduced its own
packaging system. Bad move. First of all when you install, there are
about 2000 packages to choose from, which are incredibly difficult to
browse and choose between using their package program "dselect." I'll
admit that the program is quite powerful and robust, but the
installation simply fails in the sense that there are *too many*
packages to choose from. It would take one hours to sift through all
the options. Eventually you give up and tell it to install already.

After a few battles with XWindows, and realizing how scarce Debian
package files are compared to RPMs, I decided I better go with RedHat.
Installing RedHat was a dream. It autodetected everything, including
my ethernet card, and was able to used DHCP to install the packages
over the internet (this worked with Debian also, but it required
tweaking). There were plenty of packages to choose from, but not quite
as many as Debian. When all was said and done, I had a perfectly
working and up-to-date system complete with Enlightenment and GNOME
right from the start.

My first impression of Enlightenment/GNOME was that it was drop-dead
gorgeous. There are tons of themes to choose from so you can
dynamically change the entire look of every window on your desktop.
They must have some great artists working for them. But that's about
where the advantages over OS/2 stop. GNOME (the XWindows attempt at an
Object Oriented desktop model) is a noble effort, but falls short in
many areas. There is a huge rift between objects (files) that are
desktop specific, and other files on the system. Also, true object
behavior breaks down as you move away from the actual desktop
directory. I never fully appreciated how transparent the object model
was in the WPS until now. With GNOME I found myself bending over
backwards to give myself the kind of consistent object behavior that
I've come to take for granted in OS/2.

I've always assumed that the performance in Linux is if not better,
then on par with OS/2. Although memory usage was about the same
(actually, it was a bit more in Linux, but mostly because of the
graphics intensive Enlightenment window manager), when I tried out an
mp3 in XWindows, I experinced tremendous lag whenever I tried to do
almost anything else, not to mention the sound quality would go to
hell. This *never* happened to me under OS/2. OS/2 definately beats
Linux in multitasking. As for crashing.... I would venture that
XWindows crashes about as much as the WPS. The thing is, XWin is so
independent of the whole system, that you can easily kill it and be
left with a totally stable system afterwards. On the other hand, due
to OS/2's SIQ, a crash in the WPS can often bring down the system (Can
someone tell me if I should finally deinstall OD 1.5 and/or XFolder?)

Probably the thing that I irked me most in Linux is its multi-user
architecture. For those of you that don't know, the "root" account on
a Unix system can do anything (read and write any file). Any other
account must deal with "permissions" on files. It's strongly
discouraged to stay logged in as root, and indeed some programs won't
run (xscreensaver) if you are root. However, I was never able to get
used to being a normal user on my own system. I constantly wanted to
modify files that I was not allowed to touch and thence had to relog
in as root to make the changes I wanted. It became frustrating and
tedious. I think most OS/2 users, being so accustomed to constantly
tweaking their system would find user accounts similarly annoying.

While retrieving some mail in Linux, I got the WarpCast announcing the
first release of EverBlue. I felt guilty and homesick. Needless to
say, I'm back, and I feel home again. I truly missed ya. As for Java,
well I suppose I'll deal with that when the time comes. I'm simply not
ready to leave my beloved operating system just yet.

Ron Blatt
-------------------------
"Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied 
them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with 
computers, and nobody thinks of complaining."
--Jeff Raskin

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 11-Oct-99 11:47:28
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Win32

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Dale Erwin wrote:

<snip>

> The why would the WINE/2 port take precedence over Odin?

<snip>

In Odin32 WINE/2 is supposed to take care of all of the
API-calls, then either make something usefull of itexecute them
or hand them over to Open32 that make something usefull of them.
Well as far as I can read the map! (By usefull, I mean something
the OS/2 system is able to execute)

In short: WINE/2 is the core of Odin32, Open32 is just a
supplement. 

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 11-Oct-99 11:25:22
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Jeff Malka wrote:
> 
> I have not had to add too many fixpaks to my Warp 4 system.
> 
> I will however need to do so to keep it Y2k functional.  Which is the fixpak
> to install that is known to be Y2K OK and also stable?

In FP11, the last Y2K fixes was included. But a couple of anoying
bugs was introduced here as well, so I recommend FP12, wich is
the latest one...

I use it myself...no problem!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: nospam@null                                       11-Oct-99 05:57:07
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: OT Win95 question

From: nospam@null (Richard A Crane)

I recently bit the bullet and tried once again to reinstall Win95 - this time 
steering clear of any of the fax/modem/network stuff in the vain hope that I 
might get a system that I could use to install a WIN95 only program on, 
unfortunately it is now a "must have" for my business.
Much nashing and wailing later I have a win95(c) partion with a fresh Win95 
install (at svga) that tris to run win95 fot "the frst time" and fails with a  

"Msgsrv32" error that gives me the option of close or ignore - i've tried both 

neither gets me to the win95 desktop, details say iner alia " rsrcmgr.dll at 
0001:000036b6". Anyone with any clue?

Richard A Crane

Abort, Retry, Fail or I wish I hadn't done that?

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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            11-Oct-99 01:49:07
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: My journey into LinuxLand

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <38016a7a.168619@news.giga.net.tw>, on 10/11/99 
   at 05:17 AM, Cygnus@unimatrix.com (Ron Blatt) said:

>However, I was never able to get
>used to being a normal user on my own system. I constantly wanted to
>modify files that I was not allowed to touch and thence had to relog in
>as root to make the changes I wanted. It became frustrating and tedious.
>I think most OS/2 users, being so accustomed to constantly tweaking their
>system would find user accounts similarly annoying.

I agree with your remarks about the WorkPlace Shell vs. Gnome (I like to
use KDE). I don't fit into your generalization about most OS/2 users
though when it comes to the root/user mechanism in Linux. I find it a
complete relief. I'd rather not have such a free hand as I give myself in
OS/2, besides you exaggerate the difficulty of getting root: You just keep
a terminal open within Gnome in which you've logged on as root so you can
do command-line tweaking to your heart's content. (Most of the tweaks I do
in OS/2 are from the command-line so no big difference there for me.)

I keep Linux running on a laptop next to my main machine so I can tweak
and experiment when I want to procrastinate. Fascinating system. 

OS/2 is still definitely numero uno.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              11-Oct-99 06:24:20
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Stan Towianski wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
> quicky/crappy drivers?
> 
    Their drivers, IMO, have gotten progressively worse with time. Until
recently I had been using a 2940 (no W, U, or UW[2]) and it was OK. I
found the newer drivers, later than 1997, to be problematic. I always
restored and older driver whenever I updated the system.
    So, yes, they support os/2, just not very well. But, then, they do
not support other OSes very well, either.
    The adaptec adapters are outrageously overpriced. You can get the
same performance for $85 - $150 as for the $400 adaptec. And better
drivers.


> Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
> Which is a good one?
> and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
> 
    I have been using Buslogic/Mylex in all the other systems for over 3
years now. I have used the bt930 (scsi-2), bt940 (scsi-2) and bt950
(scsi-3, UW2). They have all worked very well. And fast.



-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              11-Oct-99 06:31:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: USB: CPU hog?

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>

Hello,
    I (briefly) loaded the current USB drivers thinking I might purchase
a USB device. The first thing I saw was that the CPU usage was at 50%.
Always. With the system just sitting there. Responsiveness was
noticieably slower indicating that the drivers were seriously using the
CPU to do nothing. They were not just using idle time, or running at the
idle process priority. They were runnung at elevated priority and
effecting my system's utility.
    After removing the USB drivers, the CPU usage dropped to 0%, and the
system was again its old snappy self.


-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         11-Oct-99 07:16:25
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Mouse Buttons 

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:03:00 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>
>Still haven't quite got the hang of DragText, but I'll keep
>trying.  Bit of a downer for me that I can't change the
>mouse buttons -- for some reason I like them reversed -- but
>I know it's a pretty deep issue.
>
That's fixed under System Setup->Mouse where you can switch from RH to
LH mouse.


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: bmward@attglobal.net.where                        11-Oct-99 06:44:10
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: bmward@attglobal.net.where (Bruce Ward)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:08:51, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> Stan Towianski (stantowianski@home.com) wrote:
> 
> : Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
> : Which is a good one? and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
> 
> 	Well, Initio sells some nice cheap SCSI cards.  They have Fast 
> SCSI-2, Ultra, and UltraWide models.  I know the SCSI-2 one went for $90 
> CDN, while the Ultra went $100 CDN a few weeks ago.  They have Linux 
> support at their website as well as OS/2 drivers for them (I have the
Ultra).
> 
I'm running an InitIO card here with Warp Connect, affordable and 
boots my drive (Boot Manager) with no problem. At present 1 HDD is all
I can afford to run off it ...



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From: williamd1@ibm.net                                 11-Oct-99 06:47:27
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: problem uninstalling a program...

From: williamd1@ibm.net (williamd)

Hi Paul. Thanks for the suggestions! Turns out it was a file placed in
the startup folder. Can't imagine why I never thought of that. Guess I
just assumed once I deleted the program it would be gone from wherever
it resided. I never thought of the possibility that the installation
might have thrown a file over there that would linger after the rest
was gone.

Bill

__

williamd1@ibm.net

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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                11-Oct-99 06:53:06
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Install Problem

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:24:04, rknebel@rknebel.uplink.net (Rick Knebel) wrote:
> 
> I am trying to install Warp 4 on my new machine.
> i have a logitech 3 button bus mouse.
> 
> When I get to the graphical sceen at the end of Install disk 2 and hit
> return i get this error screen that says
> 
> sysoo49 The mouse$ device is not functioning.
> 
> What can i do about this

Here's a few sug-guess-tions:

- when the "white blob - OS/2" appears, press Alt-F1, then select the
  option to turn off hardware detection (this was a problem with the
  Warp4 beta, but I haven't encountered it with the GA)

- change the IRQ it uses (mine is on IRQ5)

- get rodent.sys (RODNT100.ZIP), copy it to disk 2 (you may have to
  delete something else to get it to fit), modify the config.sys
  per rodent's readme, and be sure to add this line to config.sys
  COPYFROMFLOPPY=1

FYI... you'll want rodent.sys even if you can install without it
because Warp's mouse.sys doesn't support MB3 (the middle button)
for bus mice.  Mine is about 10 years old and I love it - even though
the middle button broke a couple of years ago (when this happened
I had to remove rodent because it thought MB3 was perpetually
depressed - it was mistaken 'cause I was the one depressed at losing
MB3 <g>).

   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

                |             - DragText v3.1 -
Rich Walsh      |  A Distinctly Different Desktop Enhancement
Ft Myers, FL    |  New!  Pickup & Drop for text, and more...
                |  http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/
___________________________________________________________________

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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                11-Oct-99 10:11:18
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Mouse Buttons 

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:16:50, "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}"
<noone@llondel.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:03:00 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> >
> >Still haven't quite got the hang of DragText, but I'll keep
> >trying.  Bit of a downer for me that I can't change the
> >mouse buttons -- for some reason I like them reversed -- but
> >I know it's a pretty deep issue.
> >
> That's fixed under System Setup->Mouse where you can switch from RH to
> LH mouse.

If Ray meant switching *both* buttons, then this suggestion will
work.  However, I read his comment as meaning that he wished he
could drag with MB1, a la Windoze.  While you can set up OS/2
this way, it only works for container windows (i.e. folders), and
then only with the loss of some functionality, e.g. you can't use
"swipe" (press and drag) selection for icons.

Doing so will completely disable DragText because all of the windows
that DT supports use MB1 to swipe-select text.  Any attempt to drag
your selected text with MB1 simply moves the cursor and causes new
text to be selected.  IOW, the way IBM designed these windows, you
have to use different mouse buttons because swipe selection and
dragging are mutually exclusive.  Only IBM could change this - and
there's really no reason they'd want to.  Then too, even if I could
do this myself, I wouldn't since DT's goal is to extend OS/2's
existing "look and feel", not to radically alter it.


   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

                |             - DragText v3.1 -
Rich Walsh      |  A Distinctly Different Desktop Enhancement
Ft Myers, FL    |  New!  Pickup & Drop for text, and more...
                |  http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/
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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                11-Oct-99 07:43:17
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: OS/2 nominations sought for SharewareJunkies.com Awards

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:09:42, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

> Opencity (opencity@aol.com) wrote:
> : Nominations for the year's best shareware programs are being sought for
the
> : fourth annual SharewareJunkies.com Awards, to be presented on January 3,
2000
> : by the popular Internet site SharewareJunkies.com.  Net surfers are
invited to
> : cast their votes at http://www.sharewarejunkies.com between now and
December
> : 15.
> 
> I don't see any link or information about how to vote or submit
> nominations.

There's a fairly large-type link in the middle of their home page
which leads to a page with links for various os's.  The OS/2 page
is http://www.SharewareJunkies.com/vote_os2.htm.  When you get there,
there's a place to enter a program name, but no indication of what
has already been nominated, much less a current tally.

FWIW...  While at the site, I checked to see if DragText was listed.
Indeed, it was.  Unfortunately, the review and the download links
were for v1.2 (March '96) while DT is currently at v3.1 (June '99).
Looking further, I found Xit v2.2 (vs. v2.6?) and PMMail v1.91.
Perhaps the site isn't kept up-to-date because, after all,
"OS/2 is dead".  Maybe a few thousand votes for your favorite app
might demonstrate that "there's life in the old girl yet"...


   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

                |             - DragText v3.1 -
Rich Walsh      |  A Distinctly Different Desktop Enhancement
Ft Myers, FL    |  New!  Pickup & Drop for text, and more...
                |  http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/
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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   11-Oct-99 03:23:12
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


e-frog wrote:
> 
[....]
> I've heard some pretty good things about the Tekram cards.
> However, my local shop told me that it has some odd problems vs. the
> Adaptec. The one he mentioned was that the Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't update
> BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards, but were fine with the Adaptec.
> 
[....]

I have a Yamaha CDR 200T ( it was a cheaper 400T )  working on a Tekram DC390
without any problems
for 2 years. I updated the Y-bios several times. So your dealer is wrong.
On Tekram's website there were firmware upgrades ( couldn't use it, 'cause
mine has a EEPROM
instead of a flash rom - beware buying older tekrams ) to controllers offered
referring to "the
Yamaha CDR bug". I never figured out what this bug was .

> 
> Isaac

By/2
Meinolf


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From: mirco.miranda@tin.it                              11-Oct-99 11:35:16
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Full-Duplex Sound Card

From: Mirco Miranda <mirco.miranda@tin.it>

Stan Goodman wrote:

> Is there a sound card that supports full-duplex operation under OS/2?
>
> Failing this, what such cards can be installed under Win-OS/2?
>
> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
>
> Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
> me. Sorry.
> Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
>
> 

My crystal CS4232 (very old) have the driver that support the full duplex.
You must give 2 DMA to the driver (for examples DMA 0 and DMA 1).
See the docs. You can find the driver at http://www.cirrus.com

I' m sorry for my bad english
bey, Mirco

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 11-Oct-99 07:48:08
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 10:31:03
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> wrote:

>
>
>Stan Towianski wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>> quicky/crappy drivers?
>> 
>    Their drivers, IMO, have gotten progressively worse with time. Until
>recently I had been using a 2940 (no W, U, or UW[2]) and it was OK. I
>found the newer drivers, later than 1997, to be problematic. I always
>restored and older driver whenever I updated the system.
>    So, yes, they support os/2, just not very well. But, then, they do
>not support other OSes very well, either.
>    The adaptec adapters are outrageously overpriced. You can get the
>same performance for $85 - $150 as for the $400 adaptec. And better
>drivers.

Not really taking issue, but it is convenient (& not cost-
ineffective) to have onboard scsi, & for me I was coming off
an old 2742.  Anyway, I definitely haven't heard good things
about Adaptec drivers for three or four years now -- in fact
that business where they switched the behavior to translate
drives larger than 1 gig was -- dunno the word for it, but
not a good thing anyway.  

Strange, I've used the out-of-the-box AIC7870 from day one
since I installed Warp4, and when I applied FP12 yesterday
one of my fears was that it would update it -- I hadn't
decided about backlevevling it -- but thankfully it got left
alone.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: jim.backus@gecm.com                               11-Oct-99 14:43:10
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:19
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: Jim Backus <jim.backus@gecm.com>

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Peter Jespersen wrote:

> Jeff Malka wrote:
> >
> > I have not had to add too many fixpaks to my Warp 4 system.
> >
> > I will however need to do so to keep it Y2k functional.  Which is the
fixpak
> > to install that is known to be Y2K OK and also stable?
>
> In FP11, the last Y2K fixes was included. But a couple of anoying
> bugs was introduced here as well, so I recommend FP12, wich is
> the latest one...
>
> I use it myself...no problem!
>

The IBM year 2000 web site has a long list of fixes for different product
variants
in OS/2.  In general there only seems to be a single fix pack necessary for
most
products but it is not clear whether it is necessary to apply the TCP/IP fix
separately from the general fix.

i.e. If installing FP40 for Warp connect, is it also necessary to apply the
y2k
fix for TCP/IP?

I've also seen references to updated versions of MPTS - are updates necessary
there as well?

According to the message in the ftp directories for FP 41 & 42 they are only
applicable to the server version.  Is there a FP 42 equivalent for Warp 3 due?


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                11-Oct-99 09:53:24
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:19
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Jeff Malka" <malkajef@orthohelp.com> said:

>Which is the fixpak to
>install that is known to be Y2K OK and also stable?

I have found 6, 10 and 12 to be very stable.  It tends to depend on your
specific system.  Unfortunately, not all hardware acts the same with a given
fixpack.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: prather@infi.net                                  11-Oct-99 14:08:06
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:19
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

In message <380167a6$1$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com> - Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:27:19 -0400 writes:
:>
:>
:>Nope, if you have a Compuserve account and use CIM for OS/2, it tells you
:>that this version is no longer supported. I closed my Compuserve account 2
:>years or so ago because of this.

Hmmm, I have a Compuserve account and use CIM for OS/2 and have
never seen this message.  However, that may be because I don't
use Compuserve for anything except getting stock quotes once a
week, looking at the OS/2 support groups, and the ThinkPad site. 
As a matter of fact, I would have already given up the account
except that I just got my TP and thought the site might be worth
monitoring.  However the news groups provide almost all of this
information anyway...

Hey, I guess you're right.  I should save that $9.95 a month I
pay Compuserve!

Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net

"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
					- Me (circa 1998)

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          11-Oct-99 15:18:26
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:44:06, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

:>- Spammers generally used forged return addresses, so the mail won't get
:>  through.
: 
:Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if
they
:don't have an address or have a fake address?

 Learn to read email headers so that you can determine the domain 
where the spam originated.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    10-Oct-99 10:13:21
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Re: Warp 3 and Y2K

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.991006055157.14118C-100000@compass.OregonVOS.net>,
Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, James Knott wrote:
>
>> It is not supported.  Only Warp 3 & 4 have updates for Y2K.
>
>What would I need to get to make Warp 3 y2k compliant

Install the latest fixpaks.

-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             11-Oct-99 11:31:14
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

Sorry, wrong driver. It's AIC78U2.ADD, and there is no such animal in the
original GA release. The machine is unbootable with the AIC7870.ADD driver.

Alan

Peter Fitzsimons wrote:

> > The one inconvenience (perhaps it can be classed as a bug) is that when
the
> > machine did not shut down cleanly and HPFS partitions need to be cleaned
up
> > on bootup, the automated execution of CHKDSK is amazingly slow. I find it
>
> Replace \os2\boot\aic7870.add with the original Warp 4 GA version. It
> will speed up your boot time by about 1 min too (YMMV).

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          11-Oct-99 15:18:27
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:37:30, "Jeff Malka" <malkajef@orthohelp.com> 
wrote:

:I have not had to add too many fixpaks to my Warp 4 system.
:
:I will however need to do so to keep it Y2k functional.  Which is the fixpak
:to install that is known to be Y2K OK and also stable?

 There's no reason why you shouldn't install the latest Warp 4 fixpak,
fixpak 12.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                11-Oct-99 15:37:10
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Re: which CD-R for OS/2?

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:06:50, John Mandeville 
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

îJonathan Sivier wrote:
î>    I'm interested in adding a rewritable CD drive to my system.  Which
î> one(s) are supported by OS/2?  Does anyone have any recommendations?

îCheck the RSJ web site http://www.rsj.de/ for their list of supported
îdrives.  I use a Teac R55S, but it is not rewritable.

I have two really inexpensive CD R/W drives (each cost 
slightly over US$100), both of which work flawlessly with 
RSJ. What I saved on drive $ more than let me afford the RSJ
software - not cheap, but very much worth what you pay for 
it (IMO). 
One is a Panasonic CW-7502; the other is a TEAC CD-532S.


________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: andrew@hodgsons.freeserve.co.uk                   11-Oct-99 17:10:10
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 14:43:20
Subj: Creative labs and drivers

From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsons.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi,

I am using a sound blaster pci 128 with os/2 (well trying to), but
wich ever creative driver I use, I get no luck.  This creative came
pre-installed with my computer, (it was going to be a 64 but they were
out of stock), and so it is now a pci 128.  I have noticed that
nothing works until I suply a dos driver called sbinit.exe, (in
dos/win 98), ahd then when I do, I can use soundblaster 16 standard
driver.  Would this work in os/2 at boot-up or not?  

Tia.
Sincerely,
Andrew.

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From: dmcw@cyburban.com                                 11-Oct-99 13:02:03
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:22
Subj: OS/2 disaster recovery

From: David M <dmcw@cyburban.com>

We are in urgent need of an OS/2 and/or  P390 disaster recovery service
to recover data from a disk drive crash.
CHKDSK reports a drive which had 20 gig of data is now empty!
Any tips appreciated.
Reply by email, remove 'w' from email address.

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From: pgiang@my-deja.com                                11-Oct-99 17:41:27
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:22
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: PG <pgiang@my-deja.com>

"Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't update BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards":
What's the exact details on this? Haven't heard or seen anything like
this.

So maybe you can further check with your dealer about:
- which Tekram card(s) has this mentioned problem?
- the deatils of the problem? &
- if they did sell any Tekram cards in their store? (maybe they only
have Adaptec's available and have to figure out something negative to
those they don't)

Yamaha 4416 with older firmware may have problem working with WIDE SCSI
adapters, don't care if it's an Adaptec or Tekram.

If it's the WIDE SCSI cards here, then you may try the following to fix
the "Wide Negotiation" problem with Yamaha CD-R:
- upgrade Yamaha CD-R's firmware OR
- set "Wide Negotiation" corresponding to this CD-R to "No" in SCSI
adapter's BIOS

===================
In article <7tqp6h$o1j$3@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>,
  isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:
> I've heard some pretty good things about the Tekram cards.
> However, my local shop told me that it has some odd problems vs. the
> Adaptec. The one he mentioned was that the Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't
update
> BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards, but were fine with the Adaptec.
>
> If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The
Tekram's
> are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.
>
> I'm planning to use it for CD-R, Scanner and in the future, bootable
Hard
> Drives. Recommendations welcome!
>
> Isaac
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             11-Oct-99 16:10:28
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Purpose of LIBAUX.DLL and LIBTK.DLL?

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

I just applied FP42 on one of my Warp3 boxes today. There were 2 DLL 
files already on my system that FP42 offered to replace with older 
versions: LIBAUX.DLL and LIBTK.DLL. These files were much older 
(5-Sep-97 vs. 30-Mar-99) and they also differed significantly in size:

Before applying FP42:
30.03.99  18.50      47104           0  LIBAUX.DLL
30.03.99  18.50     147002           0  LIBTK.DLL

Included in FP42:
 5.09.97  11.30     113848           0  LIBAUX.DLL
 5.09.97  11.30    1101576           0  LIBTK.DLL

What is the purpose of these DLL's and which version should I be 
using?

Thanks, Dominique

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             11-Oct-99 10:19:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>



Jim Backus wrote:
> 
> Peter Jespersen wrote:
> 
> > Jeff Malka wrote:
> > >
> > > I have not had to add too many fixpaks to my Warp 4 system.
> > >
> > > I will however need to do so to keep it Y2k functional.  Which is the
fixpak
> > > to install that is known to be Y2K OK and also stable?
> >
> > In FP11, the last Y2K fixes was included. But a couple of anoying
> > bugs was introduced here as well, so I recommend FP12, wich is
> > the latest one...
> >
> > I use it myself...no problem!
> >
> 
> The IBM year 2000 web site has a long list of fixes for different product
variants
> in OS/2.  In general there only seems to be a single fix pack necessary for
most
> products but it is not clear whether it is necessary to apply the TCP/IP fix
> separately from the general fix.
> 
> i.e. If installing FP40 for Warp connect, is it also necessary to apply the
y2k
> fix for TCP/IP?
> 
> I've also seen references to updated versions of MPTS - are updates
necessary
> there as well?
> 
> According to the message in the ftp directories for FP 41 & 42 they are only
> applicable to the server version.  Is there a FP 42 equivalent for Warp 3
due?

The fixpaks do not update the TCP/IP.  For OS/2 v3, the following is the
only fix you need to apply to the TCP/IP v2 that it shipped with in the
Internet Access Kit.

ftp://ps.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v2.0os2/un64092/

I think the Y2K issues in TCP/IP are relatively minor and only affect
the apps which most people don't use anyway.  But I would still
recommend applying the fix.  Also, I think that OS/2 v3 was Y2K
compliant after Fixpak 32 so if you have applied fixpak 32 or later, you
should be Y2K compliant.

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             11-Oct-99 10:26:26
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak Ooops!

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>



"David T. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> 
> The fixpaks do not update the TCP/IP.  For OS/2 v3, the following is the
> only fix you need to apply to the TCP/IP v2 that it shipped with in the
> Internet Access Kit.
> 
> ftp://ps.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v2.0os2/un64092/
> 
> I think the Y2K issues in TCP/IP are relatively minor and only affect
> the apps which most people don't use anyway.  But I would still
> recommend applying the fix. 

Ooops!  I forgot to give the link for the Y2K fix for TCP/IP v2 in OS/2
version 3.  The Y2K fix is at:

ftp://ps.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v2.0os2/year2000/


> I think that OS/2 v3 was Y2K
> compliant after Fixpak 32 so if you have applied fixpak 32 or later, you
> should be Y2K compliant.

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From: Geert.Stevens@ping.be                             11-Oct-99 19:53:12
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Geert Stevens <Geert.Stevens@ping.be>



Bruce Ward schreef:

> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:08:51, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John
> Hong) wrote:
>
> > Stan Towianski (stantowianski@home.com) wrote:
> >
> > : Who really has a good OS/2 & Linux supported scsi card?
> > : Which is a good one? and which is a lesser expensive scsi-2 card?
> >
> >       Well, Initio sells some nice cheap SCSI cards.  They have Fast
> > SCSI-2, Ultra, and UltraWide models.  I know the SCSI-2 one went for $90
> > CDN, while the Ultra went $100 CDN a few weeks ago.  They have Linux
> > support at their website as well as OS/2 drivers for them (I have the
Ultra).
> >

I use a cheap  IOISCSI Ultra (=Initio) card without any problem on my Warp 4.0 
and
Linux machine.   2 HD, 1 CDROM,  CDRW and a scanner are connected. The Gerams
C't
magazine decribes this card as very stable and fast.
http://www.ioiscsi.com
http//www.initio.com

succes
Geert

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:11:53, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) 
wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my 
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
> 
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that 
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send 
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their 
> mailing list.
> 
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish 
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a 
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

I quit returning ANYTHING (even Remove requests) to the SPAMMERS. All 
it seems to do, is CONFIRM that they have a real , live, address, so 
they can add your name to more SPAM lists. I just set up a filter. If 
the mail isn't addressed, specifically, to me, it goes into a separate
mail bin. Then I scan, real quick, to see if something slipped through
that I really do want to keep, save that, and trash the rest.

If the SPAM is actually addressed to me, I try to send a note back to 
the webmaster of the domain that it came from. Sometimes that works. 
Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
you are wasting your time.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca                           11-Oct-99 11:10:29
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca

In <3800e601$1$po$mr2ice@news.a2000.nl>, on 10/10/99 
   at 09:13 PM, Colin Brace <cbrace@lim_.nl said:

>In <3800A099.2515E391@home.com>, on 10/10/99 
>   at 02:19 PM, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com> said:

>> Is Adaptec really supporting OS/2 or do they have
>> quicky/crappy drivers?

>I had a lot of problems (lockups) with the Adaptec 78u2w driver, a scsi
>HD, and my scanner. apprently the driver is flaky. I would stay away from
>Adaptec. I've heard good things about Tekram...

My understanding is that up 'til last year, Adaptec did support OS/2. I
purchased a 2906 PCI SCSI card to replace the one that came with a scanner
last year, and although there aren't any oS/2 drivers listed for it, OS/2
Warp V 4 recognized it right away, and it worked fine.

The answer at this point, is that you need to try it and see,
unfortunately.

Bob.


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From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com                          11-Oct-99 18:02:06
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com (Timothy J. Bogart)


In article <nerylrnigrqh.fjcxuy0.pminews@news.supernews.com>,
Antonio Relyea <arelyea@vt.edu> wrote:
>On 30 Sep 1999 16:19:32 GMT, Timothy J. Bogart wrote:
>
>>Ok, so would you care to document how you get the appropriate info from
them?
>
>OK, I have to admit I'm lost now.  I've used 7 separate ISP's in 5 different
>localities on my OS/2 machine.  What "appropriate info?" are you talking
>about?  If it is the usual DNS, phone number, mail server, username,
>password, then they give this to you without you asking (if they don't then
>you REALLY need a new ISP since that information is required regardless of
>your platform.  NOTE:  Injoy reportedly supports dynamic DNS, but I've never
>tried it).
>
>Any other "info" is unecessary.
>
>Tony.
>
>

Well, I have gone down the road with two ISPs whose instructions won't hook
up to their NT servers.  I am about to try an ISP with FreeBSD servers.

I am not saying it can't be done, I am just curious how to do it...

Ok, so I can admin Solaris, Linux, AIX, HP-UX and OS/2 on real networks,
even stumbled thru switching from a 56K line to a T1,  but I just haven't 
been interested enough in SLIP/PPP to dig thru it.  Win98 just has a
button-click
to sign up with nationwide ISPs, or locals will send you the junk you need.

But as you all know, there you are, stuck with Win98 and it's telnet and ftp
clients....OS/2 would be such a delight in comparison.

Guess I will just have to setup a serial link to one of the beasts and
dink thru the OS/2 process....

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From: jricci@.nospam.ibm.net                            11-Oct-99 18:56:17
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Installing OS2 to logical partition

From: jricci@.nospam.ibm.net (Joe Ricci)

Completed installation to F: with no problem

Set F: installable when F disk came up during advanced install.
Formatted disc to be on the safe side

Only interesting issue:
I have a CD and CDRW (both plextor)
The install looks for the highest available drive as the CD.
I was using the CD which was K:  while CDR was L: 
Install stops.

Two options move CD to higher CD drive
or (as I did since my drive is external)  turn off  the unused drive 
and restart.

Flawless after that

Joe

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:21:23, blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart 
Honsberger) wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:27:55 GMT, Joe Ricci wrote:
> >To install OS2 on a logical partition,
> >do I first need to set it as installable under FDISK if the primary 
> >partition C: has an OS installed?
> 
> The way I've always done it is to add;
> 
> SET INSTALLDRIVE=D
> 
> to the config.sys on the install disk #1.
> 
> -- 
> Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
> blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
> Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4


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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    11-Oct-99 14:00:19
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:27:19 -0400, Bob Germer wrote:

>Nope, if you have a Compuserve account and use CIM for OS/2, it tells you
>that this version is no longer supported. I closed my Compuserve account 2
>years or so ago because of this. Now when I get CS cd's with 100 free
>hours, etc. in the mail, I put them back in the box after marking them
>"Refused. Return to Sender". Costs CS about 65 cents each time.

Compuserve used to allow you to dial-up PPP with them.  I used to do it, but
I don't know if they still do that.

Tony.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:03
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:25:05, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

> If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The Tekram's
> are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.
> 

I have a TekRam DC-390U. It seems to work quite well, but all I have 
attached, is an Epson ES-1000C scanner. There is one, serious problem,
and one not so serious, that I have not figured 
out.

The serious problem, is that my system won't boot, if I have been 
running OS/2, and try to restart (using CAD). It gets to the place 
where the TekRam BIOS puts up that fancy header, and scans for 
devices, but that never happens, it just sits there with the cursor 
flashing in the upper left corner. Now, this is not a problem, as long
as I am there to turn the machine off, and on again, but if I get a 
trap, which blows OS/2 right out of the water (I have mine set to 
restart, if that happens), it gets to that point, and that is the end 
of the game (until I find it stuck, and turn it off, and on again). 
Not great, but it almost never happens, so I have been living with it.
There is no problem rebooting after I have been running DOS/Win31. Any
suggestions are welcome.

The other (not very serious) problem, is that the driver is a 
"non-resource manager aware" driver. That means that the normal RMVIEW
ouitput, and the Hardware manager output, will not include any data 
about what resources the card is using.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:02
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: USB: CPU hog?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:31:00, James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>     I (briefly) loaded the current USB drivers thinking I might purchase
> a USB device. The first thing I saw was that the CPU usage was at 50%.
> Always. With the system just sitting there. Responsiveness was
> noticieably slower indicating that the drivers were seriously using the
> CPU to do nothing. They were not just using idle time, or running at the
> idle process priority. They were runnung at elevated priority and
> effecting my system's utility.
>     After removing the USB drivers, the CPU usage dropped to 0%, and the
> system was again its old snappy self.
> 
> sma at rtd dot com
> Remove ".spam-not" for email

I have the driver(s) loaded, and do not see the problem that you 
describe. Is it possible that your USB adapter is the 'wrong" kind? As
I understand the problem, (quoted from another post):
============================================================
OS/2's current USB driver only supports the (I now I have this spelled
wrong) UHCPI USB chipset which is only on Intel and VIA chipset 
motherboards.  OHCPI is what is being used for SiS, ALi, and Opti 
motherboards and those will not work under OS/2 where USB is concerned
since the current OS/2 driver for 
it will not support OHCPI.
============================================================

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     11-Oct-99 19:02:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:56:28, jerryw12 <jerryw12@home.com> wrote:

> add the line:
>  
> set scuseprettyclock=1
>  
> to your config.sys and reboot
>  
> Jan Swartling wrote:
> 

I see the four digit year, in WarpCenter, without setting  "set 
scuseprettyclock=1" in CONFIG.SYS. AFAIK, all that setting does, is 
add some color.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    11-Oct-99 14:02:12
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: Creative labs and drivers

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:10:20 +0100, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

>I am using a sound blaster pci 128 with os/2 (well trying to), but
>wich ever creative driver I use, I get no luck.  This creative came
>pre-installed with my computer, (it was going to be a 64 but they were
>out of stock), and so it is now a pci 128.  I have noticed that
>nothing works until I suply a dos driver called sbinit.exe, (in
>dos/win 98), ahd then when I do, I can use soundblaster 16 standard
>driver.  Would this work in os/2 at boot-up or not?  

A couple of years ago, creative announced that no further OS/2 development
would take place.  A Creative PCI will probably not work, but you may be able
to hack something out.

Tony.


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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    11-Oct-99 14:08:02
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: My journey into LinuxLand

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:17:23 GMT, Ron Blatt wrote:

>GNOME was that it was drop-dead
>gorgeous. There are tons of themes to choose from so you can
>dynamically change the entire look of every window on your desktop.
>They must have some great artists working for them. But that's about
>where the advantages over OS/2 stop. GNOME

For what it's worth, I prefer KDE to GNOME.  GNOME may very well be a good
product in the future, but for now KDE is stronger.

Tony.


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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    11-Oct-99 14:11:15
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: OT Win95 question

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On 11 Oct 1999 05:57:15 GMT, (null) wrote:

>Msgsrv32

My old roommate had a problem with that file.  Sooner or later it went away,
but I am afraid I don't remember why.

I know it ain't much help, but that (MSGSRV32.EXE) is the offending file.


Tony.


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From: jules@goes.com                                    11-Oct-99 15:43:13
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 17:05:23
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: jules@goes.com (Jules Greenstein)

     Thanks, Lorne.  I was leery about drivers which had no uninstall
procedure, but I followed your advice and simply re-installed my old Matrox
drivers.  Now I have back my seamless WIN-OS2 and my screen magnification
hotkey.  I wonder why so many prefer the GRADD over the Matrox drivers for the
Millenium.  I imagine the unique combination of Warp version, fixpak, monitor,
and desktop applications make the difference.  Thanks again for responding.

In message <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-3Y8pme0R7Rdq@localhost> - lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca
(Lorne Sunley) writes:
:>
:>On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:15, jules@goes.com (Jules Greenstein) wrote:
:>
:>>         I recently installed the GRADD0.80 display drivers in my Warp 4
Fixpak
:>> 11 Matrox Millenium system.
:>>         
:>>         Now I would like to uninstall them and return to my Matrox 2.31
:>> drivers.  Can someone tell me how?
:>>         
:>>         Simply changing my CONFIG.SYS to my previous Matrox version
doesn't do
:>> the job.  I get a System Stopped with a DOSCALL1 fault.  (Removing CONFIG
:>> rerences to Process Commander doesn't help).
:>>         
:>>          I had decided to try the GRADD because of problems getting a
WIN-OS2
:>> window into my Comm4.61.
:>>         With the latest GRADD I cannot get a WIN-OS2 window to install at
all.
:>>  (It appears invisibly and I have to kill it with Process Commander).
:>>          Even more important, I have lost the ability to magnify my screen
:>> with an MGA Hotkey which was a major virtue of the Matrox driver.
:>>          
:>>          Can someone advise me on:
:>>           1. Uninstalling the GRADD and re-installing the Matrix, or
:>>           2. Getting the GRADD to give me a seamless Win-os2 in and out of
:>> Netscape and giving me the ability to magnify the screen with a hotkey.
:>> 
:>
:>When you boot your system, press ALT-F1 at the "OS/2 boot blob"
:>and choose the option that resets the video drivers to VGA. After it's
:>finished and your desktop comes up in the ugly 16 colour VGA mode,
:>install the Matrox drivers.
:>
:>Lorne Sunley
:>
:>




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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               11-Oct-99 18:50:15
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Alan Beagley wrote:

> When I tried sending using a fictitious domain name, DataTone refused to
pass on
> the message and accused *me* of being a spammer. But DataTone *will* let me
use a
> fictitious user name.
>

Too bad. If everybody verified that the sender was real, most spammers (who
use bogus
id's) would be out of business.


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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          11-Oct-99 21:45:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

PG (pgiang@my-deja.com) wrote:
: "Yamaha CD-R's wouldn't update BIOS/firmware with the Tekram cards":
: What's the exact details on this? Haven't heard or seen anything like
: this.

: So maybe you can further check with your dealer about:
: - which Tekram card(s) has this mentioned problem?
: - the deatils of the problem? &
: - if they did sell any Tekram cards in their store? (maybe they only
: have Adaptec's available and have to figure out something negative to
: those they don't)

No, they actually sell a whole line of Adaptec and Tekram cards. They have
excellent choice in that regard. They reported no problem with HP but some
problems (didn't specify) with Yamaha. It was the Tekram 390F I believe,
but I'm not sure...

Hopefully it's just a Yamaha specific problem, as the Tekram's are MUCH
more affordable!


Isaac

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                11-Oct-99 16:43:02
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Peter Jespersen wrote:
> 
> Jeff Malka wrote:
> >
> > I have not had to add too many fixpaks to my Warp 4 system.
> >
> > I will however need to do so to keep it Y2k functional.  Which is the
fixpak
> > to install that is known to be Y2K OK and also stable?
> 
> In FP11, the last Y2K fixes was included. But a couple of anoying
> bugs was introduced here as well, so I recommend FP12, wich is
> the latest one...
> 
> I use it myself...no problem!
> 
> --
> 
> Live long and prosper...
> _________________________________________________________________
>  Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
>  flywheel@image.dk
>  http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
>  Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

I just read somewhere that FP12 had some corrupted and some
missing files that have been corrected within I guess the last
few days.  At least one of the disk images was incomplete and
two of them had a length of zero.

I wonder how long it will be before BMT Micro's fixpack CD
has FB12 on it?  Which reminds me, I haven't looked since last
week, maybe I should go look again.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   11-Oct-99 17:41:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 19:55:28
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-dRlPrGkrw24e@localhost>, on 10/11/99 
   at 07:02 PM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

>On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:25:05, isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

>> If anyone has any other inputs, it'd be greatly appreciated. The Tekram's
>> are a LOT more affordable than the Adaptec's.
>> 

>I have a TekRam DC-390U. It seems to work quite well, but all I have 
>attached, is an Epson ES-1000C scanner. There is one, serious problem,
>and one not so serious, that I have not figured 
>out.

>The serious problem, is that my system won't boot, if I have been 
>running OS/2, and try to restart (using CAD). It gets to the place 
>where the TekRam BIOS puts up that fancy header, and scans for 
>devices, but that never happens, it just sits there with the cursor 
>flashing in the upper left corner. Now, this is not a problem, as long
>as I am there to turn the machine off, and on again, but if I get a 
>trap, which blows OS/2 right out of the water (I have mine set to 
>restart, if that happens), it gets to that point, and that is the end 
>of the game (until I find it stuck, and turn it off, and on again). 
>Not great, but it almost never happens, so I have been living with it.
>There is no problem rebooting after I have been running DOS/Win31. Any
>suggestions are welcome.

>The other (not very serious) problem, is that the driver is a 
>"non-resource manager aware" driver. That means that the normal RMVIEW
>ouitput, and the Hardware manager output, will not include any data 
>about what resources the card is using.

The way to sneak up on and capture the data--it works for me on another
scsi card which isn't sensed by the os/2 system utility--is to rmview
/ioa, and then search the output.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
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From: letoured@nospam.net                               11-Oct-99 18:44:05
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: letoured@nospam.net

>:Which brings me to a question.  Just how does one report such spammers if
they
>:don't have an address or have a fake address?

> Learn to read email headers so that you can determine the domain  where
>the spam originated.

I think the best way to end spam is for everyone, everywhere, to forward
the crap to the members of Congress who have voted against outlawing it!  
-- Let their staff deal with it too.


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: ysme@sympatico.ca                                 11-Oct-99 22:16:28
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Various Warp 4 problems.

From: ysme@sympatico.ca

In <37FB90C2.1C8E8F93@io.com>, Mike DeSanto <desantom@io.com> writes:



>required Fix Pack 5.  I downloaded the CSF disk, the update disks, the
>Feature Install package and the latest Java Development Kit.
>
>I install the fix pack.  Next bootup, the system crashes.  It says
>something about ES1868$.  I boot with disks and find a line similar to
>DEVICE=D:\MMOS2\ESS1868DD.SYS /N:ES1868$.  I rem out that line and the
>next, which also uses the ES1868$.  OS/2 now boots, but my sound card
>does not work.  I try re-installing the card, no luck.


Their are several addresses listed in the readme info, that may not be used by 
any other
software, if NS 4.61 is to operate withour errors.  It may be time to read and 
print out 
that list, and use the RMView /DA > filename and start looking at both
printouts, to
get a hint of what happened.


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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               12-Oct-99 00:21:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Install Problem

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Rick Knebel schrieb:
> I am trying to install Warp 4 on my new machine.
> i have a logitech 3 button bus mouse.
> 
> When I get to the graphical sceen at the end of Install disk 2 and hit
> return i get this error screen that says
> 
> sysoo49 The mouse$ device is not functioning.
> 
> What can i do about this

I just had the same problem installing Warp 4 on my father's new Siemens
PII-400 machine. It may be a timing problem. This is were the old "turn
off your cache" advice comes in handy. I tried all I could think of, but
to no effect. Then I switched off the second level cache and now Warp 4
is running stable like a rock. You may want to try to switch the cache
on again at the first reboot so the install won't take so long.

Good luck!

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         11-Oct-99 19:49:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Creative labs and drivers

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:10:20 +0100, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>
>I am using a sound blaster pci 128 with os/2 (well trying to), but
>wich ever creative driver I use, I get no luck.  This creative came
>pre-installed with my computer, (it was going to be a 64 but they were
>out of stock), and so it is now a pci 128.  I have noticed that
>nothing works until I suply a dos driver called sbinit.exe, (in
>dos/win 98), ahd then when I do, I can use soundblaster 16 standard
>driver.  Would this work in os/2 at boot-up or not?  
>
Basically you're out of luck. Creative Labs dumped OS/2 support before
the SB64 so you are unlikely to get your card to work. Best to trade it
in and go buy a card from a company which can be bothered to support
OS/2. 


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: rjlapham@infinet.com                              11-Oct-99 18:18:16
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham)

In <3801E978.60E560C3@gecm.com>, on 10/11/99 
   at 02:43 PM, Jim Backus <jim.backus@gecm.com> said:

> According to the message in the ftp directories for FP 41 & 42 they are
> only applicable to the server version.  Is there a FP 42 equivalent for
> Warp 3 due?

Not unless you pay for it via a special support contract.  Free support
for Warp 3 non-server ended with FP 40.

    -Jerry
-- 
============================================================
Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com
Written Monday, October 11, 1999 - 06:18 PM (EDT)
============================================================
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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             11-Oct-99 22:37:00
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: War 3 plug and play???

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

Hey, I had an odd think occur with Warp 3, FP 40.  I just bought a
ViewSonic A70 monitor (nice little 17"monitor for the money).  Anyway it
has plug and play capability. I'm using GRADD .80 drivers.

I installed it and as the docs warned me W98 asked for a set up inf file
and detected it as plug and play and automatically set it for a refresh
rate of 85Hz at 1024x768.

Here's the surprise.  I previously had a ViewSonic 17G and that was set
in OS2 System > System.  I expected a small hassle in finding a monitor
definition to get the proper refresh rates, etc.  Low and behold I
opened the folder and the monitor definition had set itself and had the
same exact refresh rate 85Hz @1024x768!

I thought only Warp 4 had plug and play capability???

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    11-Oct-99 22:43:09
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

How do I install two SCSI adapters in the same machine?

I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
without the scanner having been on during boot.

The card is supposed to be supported from the installation CD but
Selective Install  says the directory is not valid. Where is the driver
supposed to be?

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rknebel@rknebel.uplink.net                        11-Oct-99 18:29:01
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Zip drive and network

From: rknebel@rknebel.uplink.net (Rick Knebel)

Hi,                             

i have a scsi zip drive and after I installed my driver for my scsi
adapter
I see all my scsi devices in my hardware config including my zip drive.
On the desktop the icon for the zip drive looks like a hard drive and when
I
click on it it will not access any tape i put in the drive.

Do i need some soret of special driver or config to make it work .



And while i am asking questions. i have a small home network which i am
trying to get running with OS2.
It runs fine with Linux.


I followed the instructions on Judy's Warped World home page for setting
iup
a LAN.
I can see my warp share on my two windows computers but when I try to
acces
the workgroup home on my warp computer to be able to access the shares on
my
two win computers I keep getting the message Domain Controller for this
domain cannot be found.

Does this make sense to anyone.

Thanks
Rick

-- 
Rick Knebel
rknebel@uplink.net
http://rknebel.uplink.net

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 12-Oct-99 01:50:27
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Creative labs and drivers

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Andrew Hodgson wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am using a sound blaster pci 128 with os/2 (well trying to), but
> wich ever creative driver I use, I get no luck.  This creative came
> pre-installed with my computer, (it was going to be a 64 but they were
> out of stock), and so it is now a pci 128.  I have noticed that
> nothing works until I suply a dos driver called sbinit.exe, (in
> dos/win 98), ahd then when I do, I can use soundblaster 16 standard
> driver.  Would this work in os/2 at boot-up or not?

The PCI64 is an Ensoniq-driven card, I'll guess the 128 also is
Ensoniq driven.
But the experience on other platforms is that you'll need
creative drivers, a generic Exsoniq-driver will not do!

A couple of years ago CL terminated their OS/2 support, AFAIK
because IBM stepped on their feet (something about a deal that
fell through, regarding SB as default soundcard in IBM PC's).
Therefore the last driver that was released was a beta version of
SB AWE64 ISA!

In short....no chance!!!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          12-Oct-99 08:46:21
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

Worked yesterday!

Cheers

Wayne


On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:09:21 GMT, Stan Goodman wrote:

:>Please disregard my earlier message quoted below. I have tried to access 
:>the page given in the newpaper article, and find that it doesn't exist 
:>(error 404), nor do the parent directories exist on that site, and the top 
:>directory is a place-holder.
:>
:>I can only think that the author of the article from which I got it was 
:>smoking a controlled substance when he wrote his article, and/or is not 
:>brighter than most journalist. I apologize.
:>
:>If a correct URL turns up. I will post it here.
******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          12-Oct-99 09:05:10
  To: All                                               11-Oct-99 21:17:00
Subj: Re: Can't read a certain CD.

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I may be totally wrong as usual, but could it have anything to do
with the "W" switch at the end of your statement for the CD drive.

DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q /W

Cheers

Wayne


On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:44:48 -0500 (CDT), Antonio Relyea wrote:

:>On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:12:54 -0500 (CDT), Antonio Relyea wrote:
:>
:>>OK, here's the deal.  I have a music CD which has a secred hidden MOV file
:>>located on it.  My roommate's Windows 95 computer reads it just fine.  Mine
:>>will read it under Linux (as long as I mount it as an iso9660 drive). 
OS/2,
:>>however, refuses to read it.  I have read in several places that OS/2
:>>supports iso9660, what do I need to do.  It says "can't find sector" or
:>>something.  I have the newest IDE/ATAPI drivers.  Although, when I
downloaded
:>>them, it included an IBMATAPI.FLT (or something similar).  That was the
only
:>>file that did not have an older pre-existing version on my computer. 
Should
:>>I BASEDEV said FLT?  I'm gonna try.
:>>
:>>Any other ideas are appreciated.
:>>
:>>Tony.
:>>
:>This is ridiculous, even DOS (MS-DOS 6.22) will read it!!!!  What gives?
:>
:>Tony.
:>
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          12-Oct-99 09:19:18
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

You have to revert your system back to VGA by typing
SETVGA at a command prompt or hitting Alt-F1 at the
OS/2 blob and selecting F3 (I think) I tried SDD beta 7
and wanted to reinstall my Matrox drivers (G-400) The
Matrox readme says you can reinstall from the MGA
directory but that didn't work for me. I had to reinstall
from the unzipped archive. I've never found a way of 
removing the installed GRADD components though
from GRADD 0.79.

Cheers

Wayne

On 10 Oct 1999 14:35:15 EDT, Jules Greenstein wrote:

:>        I recently installed the GRADD0.80 display drivers in my Warp 4
Fixpak
:>11 Matrox Millenium system.
:>        
:>        Now I would like to uninstall them and return to my Matrox 2.31
:>drivers.  Can someone tell me how?
:>        
:>        Simply changing my CONFIG.SYS to my previous Matrox version doesn't
do
:>the job.  I get a System Stopped with a DOSCALL1 fault.  (Removing CONFIG
:>rerences to Process Commander doesn't help).
:>        
:>         I had decided to try the GRADD because of problems getting a
WIN-OS2
:>window into my Comm4.61.
:>        With the latest GRADD I cannot get a WIN-OS2 window to install at
all.
:> (It appears invisibly and I have to kill it with Process Commander).
:>         Even more important, I have lost the ability to magnify my screen
:>with an MGA Hotkey which was a major virtue of the Matrox driver.
:>         
:>         Can someone advise me on:
:>          1. Uninstalling the GRADD and re-installing the Matrix, or
:>          2. Getting the GRADD to give me a seamless Win-os2 in and out of
:>Netscape and giving me the ability to magnify the screen with a hotkey.
:>
:>           Thanks.
:>         
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: Wm D Loughman@MYHOSTNAME.foo.bar                  12-Oct-99 00:44:10
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: OS/2 disaster recovery

From: Wm D Loughman@MYHOSTNAME.foo.bar ()

In article <3802217C.2B8C@cyburban.com>, David M wrote:
>We are in urgent need of an OS/2 and/or  P390 disaster recovery service
>to recover data from a disk drive crash.
>CHKDSK reports a drive which had 20 gig of data is now empty!
>Any tips appreciated.
>Reply by email, remove 'w' from email address.

I've used Drivesavers, a bit North of San Francisco, CA, USA:

	http://www.drivesavers.com

A bit pricey, but worth every dime!!

Wm D "Bill" Loughman
Berkeley, California  USA
wdlkhl@attglobal.net

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From: khamann@primenet.com                              12-Oct-99 00:44:13
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: Source for m-board batt.

From: khamann@primenet.com

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:54:41, Dale Winters <dwinters@redrose.net> 
wrote:

> I believe the batt. on my moboard is giving up the ghost[g]. Im starting
> to have time and date
> problems when I fire the old girl up. They are always wrong. Does anyone
> have a url where i can
> get a new batt.....or , does staples or some chain store like that
> haveum??? Thanks,Dale
>
If you have the motherboard manual and the motherboard allows for
an external battery (a large number do), you can go to Radio Shack
and get a $7.99 (last I checked) lithium battery that glues with 
velcro
to the case, then you change a jumper on your motherboard and plug
the battery wires into the external battery connector and you're good
to go.

Or you could have a motherboard with a replaceable lithium button
battery that can be gotten at most electronic shops.

Or you could possibly have a battery that could have the wires cut
and one of the external batteries discussed above attached.

Or, the only truly annoying possibility I've seen, have a 
clock/battery
module soldered to the motherboard at more than ten points and
no external battery connector.  In this case I'd replace the 
motherboard
(and I plan to if the battery fails on my present motherboard, which
has this situation)

Good luck!  


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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   12-Oct-99 01:17:16
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:23
Subj: Re: Who's Got Best SCSI Card for OS/2

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


Doug Bissett wrote:
> 
[...]
> The other (not very serious) problem, is that the driver is a
> "non-resource manager aware" driver. That means that the normal RMVIEW
> ouitput, and the Hardware manager output, will not include any data
> about what resources the card is using.
> 
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

If you put the /DA switch to the rmview command, you will see the device
listed like this :

    Detected Hardware Function: PCI Device 01-00-00

    PCI Device ID: 1000000F

    IRQ Level = 11  PCI Pin = A     Flg = SHARED
    I/O = 0X6100  Len = 256  Flg = EXCLUSIVE   Addr Lines = 16
    Memory Base = 0XE1007000  Size = 00000100  Flg =  EXCLUSIVE
    Memory Base = 0XE1008000  Size = 00001000  Flg =  EXCLUSIVE

The driver is listed like this:

    Driver: TMSCSIW.ADD  -  Tekram DC-390U/W/F/U2 PCI SCSI Adapter Driver
    Vendor: IBM OS/2  Version: 1.1  Date (MDY): 10/23/1998
    Flag:   STATIC     Type-Subtype: ADDDM - ADD

Watch: It is not listed as "Non-Resource manager aware", although the driver
evidently doesn't
register itself with RESMGR$ .

The same problem exists with IBM (!) PCI TokenRing Adapters and Matrox
Graphics Adapters . The
drivers for those are really "non-resource manager aware" . The TR driver
lists as follows:

    Driver: C:\IBMCOM\MACS\IBMTRP.OS2  -  Non-Resource manager aware device
driver
    Vendor: Unknown Vendor  Version: 1.1  Date (MDY): 9/17/1994
    Flag:   STATIC     Type-Subtype: OS2 -

btw: The "Unknown Vendor" is IBM ;-)


I think this comes from either the missing snooper for that specific device,
or the not updated vendor and device database for the PCIBUS snooper.

The only PCI device ever I saw listed in the hw manager was an Adaptec .


Bye/2
Meinolf


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              11-Oct-99 20:09:19
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: War 3 plug and play???

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

What the monitor is doing isn't Plug'n'Play, it's DDC, which is handled
between the monitor and the driver. As such, Warp 3 has nothing to do
with it.

Graham.

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               11-Oct-99 23:04:14
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: OS/2 disaster recovery

From: letoured@nospam.net

What is a P390?  

If  you had a SCSI drive that was formatted with the /L switch, you can
probably recover it all with the Gamma Tech utilties for OS2.  -- Probably
works with IDE too, but I've seen some odd things hppen with them when a
LBA controller was used.



>We are in urgent need of an OS/2 and/or  P390 disaster recovery service
>to recover data from a disk drive crash.
>CHKDSK reports a drive which had 20 gig of data is now empty! Any tips
>appreciated.
>Reply by email, remove 'w' from email address.
_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      12-Oct-99 05:04:01
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: Zip drive and network

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <slrn804sht.ec.rknebel@rknebel.uplink.net>,
  rknebel#@uplink.net wrote:

> i have a scsi zip drive and after I installed my driver for my scsi
> adapter I see all my scsi devices in my hardware config including my
> zip drive.
> On the desktop the icon for the zip drive looks like a hard drive and
> when I  click on it it will not access any tape i put in the drive.

First, is this Warp3 or Warp4? What kind of Zip drive? (ie: 100MB or
250MB), and what SCSI card (brand) and it's interface (PCI, ISA, VLB,
etc.).

> Do i need some soret of special driver or config to make it work .

Shouldn't... Have you applied any fixpacks? If you haven't, there's your
problem; you'll need at least FP5 for Warp4 or FP35 for Warp3 for it to
work properly as a removable device.

Good luck!

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           12-Oct-99 01:54:01
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <AE25A40B4B2A37EB.532832EB2BADAA65.3FF5C90479BB8BFD@lp.airnews.net>, on
10/11/99 at 06:02 PM,
   tjb@starbase.neosoft.com (Timothy J. Bogart) said:

> I am not saying it can't be done, I am just curious how to do it...

IF you have Windoze 9x installed on a computer, set up a network object
and turn on logging and connect and log in. That should give you the
information you need to feed into DOIP or InJoy.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               11-Oct-99 23:21:07
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: My journey into LinuxLand

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:17:23 GMT, Ron Blatt wrote:

>I'm simply not
>ready to leave my beloved operating system just yet.

It's tough, ain't it?  Using OS/2 is rather addictive.

I have nothing against Linux - or any favor of Unix.   They are fine
multi-user OS - but I just can't see using it at my desktop.




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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              12-Oct-99 06:40:07
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Pierre Jelenc wrote:
> 
> How do I install two SCSI adapters in the same machine?
> 
    Just make sure there is a free IRQ for each adapter.
    I had no trouble installing two adapters from different vendors
(adaptec and mylex).

> I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
> connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
> without the scanner having been on during boot.
> 
> The card is supposed to be supported from the installation CD but

    I believe that the AHA-1540 driver also works for the ava-1502.

> Selective Install  says the directory is not valid. Where is the driver
> supposed to be?
> 
    Which directory? Or is it one of those vague non-helpful messages
that basically say "Wrong!"?


-- 

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              12-Oct-99 06:47:00
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 05:53:24
Subj: Re: Zip drive and network

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Rick Knebel wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i have a scsi zip drive and after I installed my driver for my scsi
> adapter
> I see all my scsi devices in my hardware config including my zip drive.
> On the desktop the icon for the zip drive looks like a hard drive and when
> I
> click on it it will not access any tape i put in the drive.
> 
    Tape? You mean disk?

> Do i need some soret of special driver or config to make it work .
> 
    Have you verifed the ZIP and tape drives have different SCSI
addresses? (Are you talking about two separate units?) ZIP drives can
only have addresses 5 or 6.
    Also the newer ZIP100+ and ZIP250 do not work in Warp quite yet. (A
driver update will be announced Real Soon Now.)
    What fixpak are you running? You need a fairly recent one for the
removable drives to work very well.



-- 

sma at rtd dot com
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From: slitec@wanadoo.fr                                 12-Oct-99 08:19:08
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 10:16:26
Subj: Sytos Premium

From: "piolat christian" <slitec@wanadoo.fr>

Français (French)

Nous utilisons la version 2.1 de "Sytos Premium" 
(logiciel de sauvegarde sur DAT ) sur une plateforme
OS2 warp server version 3

Le problème rencontré est que la sauvegarde 
automatique ne fonctionne pas correctement car 
la mémoire n'est jamais libérée.

Est-ce que ce problème est connu ?

Est-ce que le problème est corrigé dans la nouvelle 
version 2.2 de Sytos Premium?

Pouvez-vous me donner la date de la version 2.2 ?

Existe-il des forums spécifiques aux sauvegardes 
sous OS2 ?

J'ai récupéré la version 2.2 sur le site 
http://seer.support.veritas.com/ mais l'installation 
est impossible car ce kit d'installation demande 
un mot de passe or celui-ci est inexistant dans la 
version 2.1.
 
Merci d'envoyer une réponse rapidement. 




English (Anglais)

We are using "Sytos Premium" ( software of backup )
version 2.1 on OS2 3 warp server plateform.

The problem is that automatic backup doesn't work 
properly because the memory is never released.

Is this problem known ?

Is this problem is corrected in the new Sytos 
Premium version 2.2 ?

Is any new version available for correcting 
this problem ?

Could you give me the date of the version 2.2 ?

Are there specific forums for backup on OS2 ?

I have got version 2.2 back on the site 
http://seer.support.veritas.com/ but the setup is 
impossible because a password is required whereas
this password doen't exist in the version 2.1.
 
Thanks for quick answering .

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From: ibasuk@my-deja.com                                12-Oct-99 09:13:05
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 10:16:26
Subj: Re: OS/2 disaster recovery

From: ibasuk@my-deja.com

In article <38028464_1@news1.prserv.net>,
  Wm D Loughman@MYHOSTNAME.foo.bar () wrote:
> In article <3802217C.2B8C@cyburban.com>, David M wrote:
> >We are in urgent need of an OS/2 and/or  P390 disaster recovery
service
> >to recover data from a disk drive crash.
> >CHKDSK reports a drive which had 20 gig of data is now empty!
> >Any tips appreciated.
> >Reply by email, remove 'w' from email address.
>
> I've used Drivesavers, a bit North of San Francisco, CA, USA:
>
> 	http://www.drivesavers.com
>
> A bit pricey, but worth every dime!!

Try the Ibas Group, Europe's leading data recovery group that has been
providing data recovery services since 1982.

You can find out more about us be visiting our group web site:
www.ibas.no

Best regards

Tony Inkster
Ibas UK Limited
>
> Wm D "Bill" Loughman
> Berkeley, California  USA
> wdlkhl@attglobal.net
>
>


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From: tbruijn.nospam@rullet.leidenuniv.nl               12-Oct-99 09:42:27
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 10:16:26
Subj: Re: Creative labs and drivers

From: tbruijn.nospam@rullet.leidenuniv.nl (TB)

In article <380285EE.E11ABDD4@image.dk>, Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>
wrote:
>Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am using a sound blaster pci 128 with os/2 (well trying to), but
>> wich ever creative driver I use, I get no luck.  This creative came
>> pre-installed with my computer, (it was going to be a 64 but they were
>> out of stock), and so it is now a pci 128.  I have noticed that
>> nothing works until I suply a dos driver called sbinit.exe, (in
>> dos/win 98), ahd then when I do, I can use soundblaster 16 standard
>> driver.  Would this work in os/2 at boot-up or not?
>
>The PCI64 is an Ensoniq-driven card, I'll guess the 128 also is
>Ensoniq driven.
>But the experience on other platforms is that you'll need
>creative drivers, a generic Exsoniq-driver will not do!
>
Hi,

It might be worth a try going to check the IBM online driver database, as it 
lists a driver for Ensoniq 1371 chip. The SB PCI64 5600 models have this and 
the early PCI 128s. It does not work with early PCI64 as these have a 1370 
Ensoniq chip (better sound quality though!!) or with more recent cards which 
are based on 1373 or other chips.

The driver is for MMOS/2 only (no winos2, no midi). The dos emulation drivers 
for PCI64 and 128 do not work in OS/2.

Good luck and please report your experiences.
Th.

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From: tbruijn.nospam@rullet.leidenuniv.nl               12-Oct-99 10:07:28
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 10:16:26
Subj: Re: My journey into LinuxLand

From: tbruijn.nospam@rullet.leidenuniv.nl (TB)

In article <nerylrnigrqh.fjgadh3.pminews@news.supernews.com>, "Antonio Relyea" 
<arelyea@vt.edu> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:17:23 GMT, Ron Blatt wrote:
>
>>GNOME was that it was drop-dead
>>gorgeous. There are tons of themes to choose from so you can
>>dynamically change the entire look of every window on your desktop.
>>They must have some great artists working for them. But that's about
>>where the advantages over OS/2 stop. GNOME
>
>For what it's worth, I prefer KDE to GNOME.  GNOME may very well be a good
>product in the future, but for now KDE is stronger.
>
>Tony.
>
Hi, 

Just been back from a trip to Linux-land myself. SuSe 6.2 is easy to setup 
and the GUI's are really pretty, but there are things with Linux which keep on 

annoying many users who hop over from a full blown OS like OS/2 and that is:

a: lack of standardized driver installation and decent readable docs. There 
are tons of hardware supported by Linux but the trouble is toget anything 
working. Have been trying for more than a week to get a parallel-port Trakker 
tape-drive going with ftape. Looks easy in the docs: just compile the drivers 
for your kernel (only managed to do so with highly beta ftape-sources)  and 
install. No way, the thing will just not work and there are one million 
parameters to sift through to find out why. 

This is nice for addicts, but not for users and the solution in my dummy 
opinion would be to get all those wonderful Linux programmers to agree on some 

sort of hardware-driver install protocol with inf or adf like files. Same goes 

for the one million conf files which are scattered all over the HD. SuSeconfig 

automates much of the work at install but this takes it out of your hands and 
sight, which makes it even more difficult to do minor repairs in the case of 
changed DNS or similar things. (OS/2's basic DialOIP is heaven compared to the 

problems of getting a connection to an IPS going. (RedHat is better at this.))
This is an issue of usability which is vital to Linux's succes and 
in this respect it is more important than slick GUI's. I can live with a 
tunable OS with a simple GUI. Gnome and no sound support because of failing 
drivers is just plain silly and a waste of HD space. 

b: unification (or should I say UNIXfication): by which I mean the problem of 
different standards arising: see the ftape case: it turned out that SuSe's new 

kernels are different from other kernels with the same specs and that this 
collides with drivers etc. A tool like ftape ran well on earlier kernels: why 
is is broken with new kernels? It points to a problem of standardization. One 
can jab at IBM for not doing anything with its 'Jewel in the Crown' which is 
OS/2, but at least its strong hold on the system has prevented what happens 
with Linux now, due to the commercial interests of RedHat and SuSe. This is 
one of the problems of Open Source software. Fixpacks to Warp can break 
things, but they keep some sort of standard in place.

c: If OS/2 would go Unicode the whole way it would be 100% fit for me. Linux 
and Unicode is still very early days (termcaps/Tex/GS).

Just my comments, give me yours.

Th

+++++++----------These are Th's opinions, not his 
employer's-----------++++++++

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From: mail@ibexmfg.com                                  12-Oct-99 12:37:23
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: mail@ibexmfg.com (RCW)

Hello,

I need to unzip a .gz website log file.  I've been able to find an
OS/2 version of gzip on Hobbes but not gunzip.  Does anyone have any
suggestions?

Thanks very much.
Richard C. Wharton

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  11-Oct-99 08:31:28
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: Source for m-board batt.

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:54:41, Dale Winters <dwinters@redrose.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I believe the batt. on my moboard is giving up the ghost[g]. Im starting
> > to have time and date
> > problems when I fire the old girl up. They are always wrong. Does anyone
> > have a url where i can
> > get a new batt.....or , does staples or some chain store like that
> > haveum??? Thanks,Dale
> >
>
> It depends a lot on what kind of battery is on the mb. If it is
> soldered on, you don't have a lot of hope, but you may be able to rig
> something up to replace it (be sure to remove the old battery, before
> it starts to leak). On the other hand, if it is the usual button type
> of battery, just get the number off of it, and go to Radio Shack (or
> any other place where you can get batteries for things like cameras).
> You should be able to find a replacement. The other possibility, is a
> special battery, that would only be available from the manufacturer
> (unlikely, but possible). You would need to go to the manufacturer to
> get one.

I'd just like to qualify/expand on Doug's worthy advice and say in the
(very unlikely) event you have a mobo with no obvious seperate battery
indicated, then look at the RTC chip and sometimes the battery is
incorporated in this module.
I stumbled on this rarity(?) with a UK supplied upgrade Mobo for an IBM
Valuepoint recently and the mobo doc's although referring to a "battery"
gave no indication of it's actual physical location.
Diligent searching (including removing mobo<g>:- placing a removable
component on reverse side of board would have been absolute design
idiocy but one felt compelled to check<vbg> ) revealed the clue in that
the RTC DIP package was disproportionately large(height) and was on a
pluggable socket.
This specific example was a "Dallas" manufactured chip and most
retail/wholesale electronic component distributors should either hold in
stock or supply.
Our UK Radio Shack subsidiary called "Tandy"  didn't but another UK
supplier called "Radio Spares"  or (to give it it's more popular title,
confusingly with similar intitials) "RS Components" did.
The cost was equivalent to a stand-alone battery, however if you obtain
it via the mobo manufacturer(I very much doubt the very basic
functionality of RealTime clock circuit warrants their own inhouse
design/fabrication), I suspect their markup could easily double the
price in some cases.....

It's unlikely this scenario applies to the posters mobo (easily
recognisable "silver coloured" circular replaceable lithium button cells
hopefully being the more prolific than older/cheaper? "permanently
soldered",alternatively packaged  or encapsulated varieties)
......but.......<g>.....

Incidentally, you may have mobo jumper/options to use an external
RTC/BIOS/CMOS/NVRAM backup if you choose? Although using a seperate RTC
adapter would (hopefully) have an inherently more stable/accurate clock 
this does seem debateably a relatively more expensive overkill and
somewhat wastefull if you have limited slots?

> You should also record ALL of the BIOS settings, before they go away.
> You should be able to remove the battery for a short period of time,
> without losing the BIOS settings (not all machines will lose the
> settings if you remove the battery), but don't keep it out for too
> long.
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

 --
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

ANECDOTE:  While searching for a convenient "local" source for this
RTC(+battery) module I contacted 6 "alleged" PC repairers in my local
area.
3 insisted that there "must be a battery" and I had not "correctly"
identified
it!<g>,  2 vaguely thought that they had heard of such a thing but
didn't have
faintest idea how to source it!(one even gave a classic answer when
pressed:
"I'm sorry sir, I only build PC's I don't actually know how they work in
detail!"<vbg> - sought of inspires you with confidence of his diagnostic
abilities doesn't it?).

The last one finally knew what he was talking about and gave me the
(obvious -
I should have thought of and pursued  it first<g>) source of two
external
component suppliers and even offered to obtain it in 24 hrs with minimal
markup if I had difficulties obtaining it myself!.
That statistically invalid ad hoc survey could possibly lead you to
ponder as
to how many at best ill informed/inexpert/under trained, or at worst
"cowboys"
there are in the "high street" retail PC box assembly/repair trade
perhaps?

UK users: While having no direct affinity to the following PC "box"
supplier,
I was impressed by their professionalism/knowledge w/o the BS or "self
professed" expertise you typically get  from some larger "high street"
retailers.....
The build quality of their made to order systems and most competitive
costs
also convinced me to save a "relative" several hundred pounds sterling
by
sourcing his system thru them rather than purchase an inferior quality
(and
less flexible) system from a local supplier.
Their web site:
http://www.labyrinth.com
is worth a visit for contact addresses and further info (based in Yeovil
- SW
UK).


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From: jeffr@warsawcoil.com                              12-Oct-99 07:10:19
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: resetting network interface

From: "Jeff D. Roesner" <jeffr@warsawcoil.com>

I have my OS/2 box acting as my gateway for two other machines, one runs
Windoze 95 and the other Solaris 7.  All machines have a unique IP address
and most of the time I can telnet into the Solaris machine without a
problem.

Every once in awhile, I can't connect to the non-OS/2 machines.  I can
telnet into my OS/2 box and see all of the other machines while logged into
the OS/2 box, but from the outside world the other two machines are not
visible.

Is there a way to reset the connections?  I have tried "ifconfig lan0 down"
then restarting it, but that didn't work.  Do I need to reset the ppp0 or
what?


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From: ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not                        12-Oct-99 06:35:08
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: FP 12

From: "Alex Blair" <ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not>

Had problems with with my system after applying FP 12 (I have been running
with FP 10). I am now having trouble trying to back out to FP10 level that I
have archived. 

Since I cannot boot to WPS, I have tried to use FSERVICE with a modified
response file, run from a floppy (it refuses to run from the hard disk,
giving me a message that the directory where the CS 1.41 (cs_41.exe) files
have been stored is not valid).  When run from the floppy, I am prompted for
CSD disk #1. Why would it request CSD disk #1 ? Doesn't the CS 1.41 package
contain all I need ? If not, what & where can I find the necessary files.

Any help is appreciated.

Alex Blair



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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                12-Oct-99 13:36:01
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:34:38, Siobhan Perricone 
<morgannalefey@my-deja.com> wrote:

îHee hee hee, I just had to comment on this. :)
¯
îThe future is ALWAYS not here.  It's ALWAYS the present. ;D

Ah - but the future is starting RIGHT NOW.  :-)



________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    12-Oct-99 13:51:18
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

James Moe  <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> writes:
> 
>     Just make sure there is a free IRQ for each adapter.

I thought I did but I wonder now:

 IRQ Level =  0  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
 IRQ Level =  1  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard Controller
 IRQ Level =  2  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
 IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_1 Serial Controller
 IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_2 Serial Controller
 IRQ Level =  4  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0 Serial Controller
 IRQ Level =  5  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUDIO_0 ESS AudioDrive
 IRQ Level =  6  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy Controller
 IRQ Level =  8  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
 IRQ Level = 11  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
 IRQ Level = 12  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary Device Controller
 IRQ Level = 14  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller

Except I don't see either of them! What is this "Adaptec AIC7870"? My two
cards are an AHA 2940AU, which works, and an AVA 1502E which does not
(that's the one I'm trying to load a driver for).

>     I believe that the AHA-1540 driver also works for the ava-1502.

So in theory I should not need to do any more than plug it in?

>     Which directory? Or is it one of those vague non-helpful messages
> that basically say "Wrong!"?

I:\OS2IMAGE

(I: is the correct CD drive, and the Warp CD is in the drive)

Pierre
-- 
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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     12-Oct-99 14:13:21
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

 [ Followups set to comp.os.os2.setup.misc to reduce crossposting ]

In <7tved8$rpo$1@news.panix.com>, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) writes:
>James Moe  <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> writes:
>> 
>>     Just make sure there is a free IRQ for each adapter.
>
>I thought I did but I wonder now:
>
> IRQ Level =  0  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
> IRQ Level =  1  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard Controller
> IRQ Level =  2  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
> IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_1 Serial Controller
> IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_2 Serial Controller
> IRQ Level =  4  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0 Serial Controller
> IRQ Level =  5  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUDIO_0 ESS AudioDrive
> IRQ Level =  6  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy Controller
> IRQ Level =  8  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
> IRQ Level = 11  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
> IRQ Level = 12  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary Device Controller
> IRQ Level = 14  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller
>
>Except I don't see either of them! What is this "Adaptec AIC7870"? My two
>cards are an AHA 2940AU, which works, and an AVA 1502E which does not
>(that's the one I'm trying to load a driver for).

Pierre,

The AIC7870 is one of Adaptec's SCSI chipsets, one found in various
Adaptec cards (and used by my A.I.R.  motherboard as well).

If IRQ15 isn't locked into your motherboard's IDE support, it's 
available, as are (possibly) IRQ9 and IRQ10. You may need to play with 
your system's CMOS Setup to make sure the IRQ you choose is available to
the ISA bus).

I use the word "possibly" above because nothing is certain (;-).  RMVIEW
only reports back what Resource Manager-aware drivers report to it - a
driver that doesn't tell the OS/2 Resource Manager that the driver plans
to use (say) IRQ15 can still use the IRQ, but RMVIEW won't report it
("Hey!  Nobody told ME!").  Since RM was introduced in Warp (3.0), any
pre-3.0 driver fits this description; unfortunately, I understand it's
also true for some post-3.0 drivers (sigh).

Now, for a query from ignorance:  does a 1503 _use_ an IRQ?  I ask
because I know there were some early "cheap SCSI" adapters that used
polling instead (Bernoulli comes to mind).  OTOH, you have the adapter
in hand; if the manual talks about how to set the IRQ for the card, you
can ignore my query (;-).

Hope this helps a bit in all the confusion...


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: jjacobs0@my-deja.com                              12-Oct-99 14:14:00
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: ATM 911 protocol (banking)

From: Jerome Jacobsen <jjacobs0@my-deja.com>

Sorry this forum isn't quite the appropriate place for this posting.
However, this is the only newsgroup where I've found any information on
this before.

I'm trying to find information on the Automated Teller Machine 911/912
protocols.  Where does one get the specification?  I've searched the
internet to no avail.  Also, are these industry standard or Diebold
specific?  Any info greatly appreciated.

------------------
email: jacobsen<at>aedar<dot>com


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From: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk                          12-Oct-99 15:28:28
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: WIN-OS/2 can't see my Gold Card Modem

From: Dr Geoff Hogan <g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk>

Please excuse me if this kind of question has already been answered in
an FAQ, just please tell me where to find it!

I have OS/2 Warp Connect on my ThinkPad (755CX).  I recently changed to
a Psion Dacom Gold Card PCMCIA modem, which works fine with the native
OS/2 programmes.  However it is supplied with software to allow it to be
set to be used in different countries (rcognise dial tones, etc).  This
is supplied as Windows software.  I installed the Win 3.1 version under
WIN-OS/2 where it runs, but cannot see the modem (just tells me that COM
2, that it is using, is unavailable).

I have gone throught the DOS/WIN-OS/2 session settings, especially the
COM ones, and can't find anything to fix it.  Any suggestions?

Many thanks,

Geoff Hogan

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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             12-Oct-99 10:00:21
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On 11 Oct 1999 22:43:18 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

>How do I install two SCSI adapters in the same machine?
>
>I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
>connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
>without the scanner having been on during boot.
Just download the appropriate driver (aic152x.add for the 1502e, I think)
from the online
DDPak website and usine the DDINSTAL to install it. You should end up with
aha152x.add in
your \os2\boot directory and BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD in config.sys. If, by the
way, you
add a second 2940, you have to add a second BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD to
config.sys.


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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           12-Oct-99 15:06:18
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: How to improve OS/2 performance

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

I offer this method in the first flush of elation...

1. Install Windows NT (wait for it, wait for it)

2. Notice that on boot, NT says "1 processor [32MB]"

3. Think "That's funny, this PC was ordered with 256MB"

4. Run BIOS setup and check - yup, only 32MB

5. Raise hell with employer's purchasing department

6. Go out and buy 256MB RAM (ouch!) and install it.

7. Reboot Warp

8. Wheeeeeeeeee! (NT likes having more than 2MB of available memory too!)

Ian

PS (1) My BIOS doesn't display a memory check at startup
   (2) I understand that the PD is now having a fraught conversation with
       the builders of the machine...

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   Any opinions expressed are entirely my own and should not be taken as
  the official point of view of any organisation for or with which I work.

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From: coville@localnet.com                              12-Oct-99 15:20:09
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: DTC SCSI and OS/2

From: coville@localnet.com (Brian)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:06:50, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> 
wrote:

> I'll second that.  I went from a DPT card to a Tekram and am very happy.
> 

Have you any experiance with the DTC3130B SCSI controller?  I still
need to check IBM for drivers but wondered your opinion.  Just looking
to replace the cheap ISA SCSI controller that came w/ my Microtek 
scanner.
I can afford this one!  :  )
  
        Brian
  
  PCI FAST SCSI-2 50-pin INTERNAL CONTROLLER CARD - $10
  ITEM #...DTC3130B
http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=4&sku=DTC3130B
  

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      12-Oct-99 15:31:27
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 16:57:25
Subj: Re: Zip drive and network

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <3802D962.8E806CBD@rtd.com>,
  James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> wrote:

>     Also the newer ZIP100+ and ZIP250 do not work in Warp quite yet.
> (A driver update will be announced Real Soon Now.)

Actually, the SCSI Zip250 works fine, and IBM just released a beta IDE
and USB support for Zip250. But the Zip+ drive won't work becasue it
does not adhear to SCSI standards properly, and there is no PPort
driver for it. (The deal with the Zip+ was that it is both SCSI and
PPort in the same unit, and faster or something. Iomega products suck.)

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


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From: mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com                        12-Oct-99 22:37:29
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: ATM 911 protocol (banking)

From: mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com (Mike Fry)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:55:39, Jerome Jacobsen <jjacobs0@my-deja.com> 
wrote:

> I'm actually trying to understand the data communications between the
> ATM and host.  I've been told there are many protocols for this: IBM
> 3275 bisync, SNA, TCP/IP, 911/912, MDS1000, and on and on.  What I
> don't understand is the layering.  Which run on top of which?  Which
> are application protocols?  Are there many application protocols or is
> there a standard?  For example, I assume there is an application
> protocol that deals with ATM transactions (e.g. a Verify Withdraw
> message).

To the best of my knowledge (having done a little bit in this area), at 
the application level is ISO 8583 Financial Transaction Card Originated 
Messages - Interchange Message Specifications. Be aware that although 
ISO 8583 is supposed to be an International Standard, both Mastercard 
and Visa use slightly different 'interpretations' of the standard. Also,
each financial institution (i.e. Bank) is free to interpret the 
specification in their own way, so long as they adhere to the 
specification when passing messages through the international networks. 
This means that each Bank probably will have their own implementation 
when communicating with their own ATMs.

I have C dlls for packing and unpacking the ISO 8583 messages. These are
set up for calling from COBOL programs.

Regards,
MIKE FRY
mailto:mikefry@iafrica.com

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From: tstreet@excel.net                                 12-Oct-99 16:58:01
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: tom <tstreet@excel.net>


Wayne Bickell wrote:

> You have to revert your system back to VGA by typing
> SETVGA at a command prompt or hitting Alt-F1 at the
> OS/2 blob and selecting F3 (I think) I tried SDD beta 7
> and wanted to reinstall my Matrox drivers (G-400) The
> Matrox readme says you can reinstall from the MGA
> directory but that didn't work for me. I had to reinstall
> from the unzipped archive. I've never found a way of
> removing the installed GRADD components though
> from GRADD 0.79.
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne

I just installed a G400 card and tried the GRADD 8 again andmy system won't
boot at
all. The new problem with the card is
the greyed out areas of windoze-OS2 I get colored lines
instead of the icon.

Tom

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    12-Oct-99 22:45:16
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Peter Stein (nbi@typhoon.xnet.com) wrote:

: VMWare is one of the more remarkable pieces of software to come along
: in a long time. For someone like me who's primary motivation for
: keeping OS2 around was that it's a "better Windows than Windows" 
: the time is near to give OS2 its last rites. I've had it with IBM and
: software vendors who gouge OS2 customers because it's a small market.
: Not to mention the poor driver support. Linux offers more control,
: flexibility, and value. Add VMWare to the picture and what incentive
: is there to keep OS2 around?

	Some people have a heard enough time even looking at the Linux 
command prompt.  The learning curve for Linux is a little steeper, well, 
alright, way steeper for most people.  With OS/2 the move was never as 
bad since a great majority of the knowledge from DOS, Windows 95 could be 
translated for OS/2 pretty easily.

: Many folks have been wanting to run Windows apps under Linux anyway, 

	Which has been a mistake, OS/2 has been living proof of that.

: in mothballs). I can tell you first hand that VMWare works very well.
: I installed WIN98 in a virtual machine to run a graphical AI board
: game. Although my system has only 64 MB the game runs exceptionally
: well, almost as good as WINOS2 although that has much more memory
: at its disposal than the virtual machine. OS2's much vaunted "crash
: protection"? You can create a separate VM for each Windows app and
: get the same benefit. Try VMware for 30 days and see for yourself:
: www.vmware.com

	Somehow, I doubt the part about it being as good as Win-OS/2.  
I'd imagine you would agree too if you tried launching VMWare on a 16-32 
MB machine. ;-)
	The thing on OS stability is a little unfair, afterall, OS/2 is 
the operating system and VMware is an application.  What about after the 
30 days though, Peter?  Will I be seeing a check for $299 from you 
anytime soon? ;-)  I mean that is pretty expensive, plus add the total on 
how much Windows would cost, plus extra hardware upgrade (RAM mainly) 
since running multitude VMware windows alongside running Linux 
applications I would imagine RAM would be eaten for breakfast.
	Anyhow, I'd rather look at Freemware which is a open sourced project to 
produce a program like VMware.  Course, the difference is that one 
currently goes $299 while the other will be free and could be ported to 
a multitude of platforms making even the switch to Linux sort of 
rudendent if they get even half to the abilities of VMware.  Unlike 
other projects, this one doesn't look like all smoke and mirrors because 
the man behind it is Kevin Lawton, the same guy behind Bochs x86 PC emulator.
	I recently checked out the Bochs website, they've actually added 
Pentium emulation.  It's progressed a lot in the past year.  Even though 
Bochs and VMware accomplish the samething, VMware is much quicker than 
Bochs since both use a different manner on emulation.  Bochs emulates the 
entire CPU instruction, whereas VMware just hooks into your own.  
Freemware could be the next big thing after Linux, IMO.

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                12-Oct-99 18:00:19
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: Photoshop

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

bstephan@redshift.com wrote:
> 
> on 10/08/99
>    at 09:31 PM, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> said:
> 
> >Does anyone know if there is anything native to OS/2 that is
> >functionally equivalent to Photoshop?
> 
> There is a PhotoGraphics Pro 2.02 available for download at the True
> Spectra site for those interested in evaluation.  30 day trial,
> 
> http://www.truespectra.com/support.html
> 
> I downloaded the product and wrote to ask about
> registering.  I promptly got an e-mail with a registration code that
> unlocked it.
> 
> To register and unlock the product you open a session. Then use a
> RMB -> about -> unlock now -> and paste your key into the dialog box
> that appears.  I of course, used the key they sent me.  Previous
> users may be able to use the old one.
>

I downloaded this package and got a registration key from TrueSpectra
which unlocked it.  However, I notice that the tutorials are all
missing, and all of the images, clipart, etc. on the TrueSpectra
site which have Netscape objects in the product folder are also
missing from the TrueSpectra web site.  Well the absence of images
to use I can live with, but it is very difficult to learn how to use
a new package like this with no direction.  

Like they say, you get what you pay for!!
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               13-Oct-99 01:43:11
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: My journey into LinuxLand

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Antonio Relyea schrieb:
> Under Red-Hat 6.0 (or, more specifically Linux-Mandrake, a customized
> distribution of Red Hat) setting up for my internet was as easy as OS/2.

I never managed to get RedHat 6.0 to run stable even after applying a
TON of fixes. Had to switch back to 5.2. 6.0 has been released very
prematurely IMO.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               12-Oct-99 19:48:08
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>

Peter Stein wrote:
> 
> In article <7tlbmb$jkb$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
> John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote:
> >       Everything you say is true of course, that is for the future.
> >Thing is, the future isn't here yet.  This is the present, and OS/2 does
> >a good job on its own.
> >       One area that you kind of goofed on in the hardware part of your
> >post is the one on scanners.  It's funny, funny because Linux's scanner
> >supports stinks compared with OS/2's. ;-)
> >       With Linux, you have SANE...that's it.  With OS/2, we have SANE
> >ported over, including two commercial products (STi and CFM) that provide
> >OS/2 native scanning support for some scanners and also the advantage of
> >Win-OS/2.  Some scanners using their Windows 3.1 software have been
> >reported to work under OS/2 in this manner.  The success rate is not too
> >high, though, but it is a route that an OS/2 user can go that a Linux
> >user can not.
> >       VMWare is a truly nice thing to have, though, that I'd admit.
> 
> VMWare is one of the more remarkable pieces of software to come along
> in a long time. For someone like me who's primary motivation for
> keeping OS2 around was that it's a "better Windows than Windows"
> the time is near to give OS2 its last rites. I've had it with IBM and
> software vendors who gouge OS2 customers because it's a small market.
> Not to mention the poor driver support. Linux offers more control,
> flexibility, and value. Add VMWare to the picture and what incentive
> is there to keep OS2 around? Many folks have been wanting to run
> Windows apps under Linux anyway, but until VMware there simply wasn't
> a good way to do it (WINE was woefully inadequate and WABI has been
> in mothballs). I can tell you first hand that VMWare works very well.
> I installed WIN98 in a virtual machine to run a graphical AI board
> game. Although my system has only 64 MB the game runs exceptionally
> well, almost as good as WINOS2 although that has much more memory
> at its disposal than the virtual machine. OS2's much vaunted "crash
> protection"? You can create a separate VM for each Windows app and
> get the same benefit. Try VMware for 30 days and see for yourself:
> www.vmware.com
> 
> Peter Stein
> nbi@xnet.com



Since Vmware gives you complete access to Windows 2000,NT,95,98, Win31,
MSDOS, and Linux has literally thousands of native applications and
Inprise (Borland) is porting its development tools to Linux, Corel 
Corporation is porting Corel Office to Linux, and Corel, IBM, HP, SGI
and a host of other large companies are plugging the device Driver Holes
in Linux, And Corel is making a easier installation program for Linux,
and Linux has the Enlightenment Window Manager etc.  OS/2 is not an
option. For sentimental reasons you may want to hang on to it.  For
comfort zone reasons you may one to hang on to it. But it is a zombie.
Night of the 'living dead'.  I wish this were not the case but it is.  K
and KOM will demolish  Workplace Shell and SOM.  I wish this were not
the case but it is.  List the 10 latest development tools for OS/2, List
the 10 latest development tools for Linux, case closed.  I'm sorry my
friends, OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no longer can.  It
running on fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               13-Oct-99 01:34:28
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:11
Subj: Re: Can't read a certain CD.

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Antonio Relyea schrieb:
> >DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q /W
> I'll give it a shot, what does W do?  I can't find any reference to it in
the
> help files.

It activates the support for the "Small & Limb" Joliet format. This
feature has been introduced in a fixpak, so it's no wonder you didn't
find anything about it in the helpfiles.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            12-Oct-99 22:12:10
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 21:21:12
Subj: Re: Sytos Premium

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <01bf1489$5e4ddf20$5f57fac1@none.wanadoo.fr>, "piolat christian"
<slitec@wanadoo.fr> writes:

OK..

>We are using "Sytos Premium" ( software of backup )
>version 2.1 on OS2 3 warp server plateform.
>
>The problem is that automatic backup doesn't work 
>properly because the memory is never released.
>
>Is this problem known ?

I had it a long time ago before updating my Sytos Premium..

>
>Is this problem is corrected in the new Sytos 
>Premium version 2.2 ?

Currently using Sytos Premium with a Seagate Scorpion 8GB compressed,
4GB native 4MM DAT cartridge drive...

The unattended backup works totally OK, as far as I can tell.  You just
start it and it runs in the background..  Of course, the usual
restrictions about busy files, changing files during the backup, and
making sure you have a clean disk and clean INI files prior to the
backup run apply.

We *HAVE*, more than once, completely rebuilt a new hard disk from a
fresh low-level prep'd Adaptec controller driven drive, which was then
verified with Adaptec's low level utilities.  You then use the
appropriate OS/2 FDISK and format to build a suitably partitioned new
drive to hold the image.  The use of REBOUND has worked fine for us,
both for FAT drives and HPFS drives as well..

In each case, the drives in question have been in the 4GB range.  They
have to be used with the correct level SCSI disk drivers, in our case
all Warp 4.0 and FP8 level stuff..

Other than that .. we reqularly back up the whole system reasonably
often.  We have, at this point, stopped worrying about the ability to
recover with SYTOS PREMIUM....

>Is any new version available for correcting 
>this problem ?
>
>Could you give me the date of the version 2.2 ?

   SYPLUS  .EXE     156,846 27-09-97 15:24
>
>Are there specific forums for backup on OS2 ?

Long discussions have gon on in the applications forum as well  as
here.

>I have got version 2.2 back on the site 
>http://seer.support.veritas.com/ but the setup is 
>impossible because a password is required whereas
>this password doen't exist in the version 2.1.
> 
>Thanks for quick answering .

The new version required a complete re-install from a totally new disk
image.  It was furnished on a agreed download from SEAGATE with a
password syncronization agreement with them.

I got new SEAGATE SCORPIONS for us and found out that the SYTOS PREMIUM
did not have a driver for their own product.

WHen they realized that it took less than 48 hours to get new drivers
written and up for us at the tech site..

      That ... Messr.   is   SERVICE ....

I think we now have over a dozen of these tape units in service... :)

Incidentally we are using BA/2 for software in some places.  it too will
give you a complete recovery options, but in my opinion isn't as easy to
use and intuitive as SYTOS PREMIUM ..

--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: will@premier.net                                  12-Oct-99 11:21:26
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Aurora beta & desktop objects

From: "Will Luikart" <will@premier.net>

Since installing Aurora beta a while back I have hoticed that most (if not
all) of the *cmd files I used with Warp 4 for creating desktop objects do not
work with the Aurora desktop. Does anyone know why this is and what can be
done to remedy it? Thanks in advance....

Will


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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          12-Oct-99 15:03:15
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:02:00, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
Bissett) wrote:

:Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
:you are wasting your time.

 Hotmail has a fairly strict anti-spam policy, and they're usually 
quick to nuke spammers.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: shaunus@ibm.net                                   12-Oct-99 18:26:19
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: ATM 911 protocol (banking)

From: "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net>

Hi Jerome

To my knowledge, 911/912 is very specific to Diebold, and the only source
for doco I have ever found is Diebold themselves.They do have a CD-ROM
containing much of the ATM related stuff, including the 911/912 spec, but it
is rarer than toilet paper in the army - if you can get it, let me know how
you managed!

Regards

Shaun


Jerome Jacobsen <jjacobs0@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7tvfmr$pia$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Sorry this forum isn't quite the appropriate place for this posting.
> However, this is the only newsgroup where I've found any information on
> this before.
>
> I'm trying to find information on the Automated Teller Machine 911/912
> protocols.  Where does one get the specification?  I've searched the
> internet to no avail.  Also, are these industry standard or Diebold
> specific?  Any info greatly appreciated.
>
> ------------------
> email: jacobsen<at>aedar<dot>com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           12-Oct-99 12:16:24
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

RCW wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I need to unzip a .gz website log file.  I've been able to find an
> OS/2 version of gzip on Hobbes but not gunzip.  Does anyone have any
> suggestions?
> 
> Thanks very much.
> Richard C. Wharton

Seems to me that when I needed gunzip, I got it by simply renaming
gzip.exe to gunzip.exe - a common thing with UNIX/Linux style programs
is that the related functionality is sometimes built into one program,
and the behaviour is defined by the command name used. It is easier to
do under UNIX/Linux through a link, but in this case, it generally needs
to be renamed or copied.
-- 

============================================================
To respond via e-mail - remove the "go-away-spammers"
portion of the Reply to: value.

Mark L. Kahnt, C.P. Box 1263, Kingston, Ontario   K7L 4Y8
Voix:        (613) 531-8767   Cellulaire: (613) 539-0935
Telecopieur: (613) 531-8684   Email: kahnt@adan.kingston.net

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From: Kanderson@kanderson.net                           12-Oct-99 09:35:16
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Warp Server

From: Ken Anderson <Kanderson@kanderson.net>

Are there any books out on Warp Server for e-business.  I'm looking for
something to help me setup my network.  I hate looking at the help
files, I like having something to actually flip through.

Thanks
Ken

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             12-Oct-99 17:01:18
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: War 3 plug and play???

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:09:39, "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com> 
wrote:

> What the monitor is doing isn't Plug'n'Play, it's DDC, which is handled
> between the monitor and the driver. As such, Warp 3 has nothing to do
> with it.
 
Yeah that's the monitor definition it selected, DDC, etc...


                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    12-Oct-99 12:18:10
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Can't read a certain CD.

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:05:20 +0800, Wayne Bickell wrote:

>DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q /W
I'll give it a shot, what does W do?  I can't find any reference to it in the
help files.

Tony.


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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    12-Oct-99 12:19:02
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Another Nail in OS/2's coffin (ibm.net)

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:54:03 -0400, Bob Germer wrote:

> InJoy.

In fact, InJoy has smart-learning or whatever they call it.

Tony.


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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    12-Oct-99 12:20:21
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:37:47 GMT, RCW wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I need to unzip a .gz website log file.  I've been able to find an
>OS/2 version of gzip on Hobbes but not gunzip.  Does anyone have any
>suggestions?

run gzip with the -d switch

Tony.


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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    12-Oct-99 12:22:19
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: My journey into LinuxLand

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On Tue, 12 Oct 99 10:07:56 GMT, TB wrote:

>(OS/2's basic DialOIP is heaven compared to the 
>problems of getting a connection to an IPS going. (RedHat is better at
this.))

Under Red-Hat 6.0 (or, more specifically Linux-Mandrake, a customized
distribution of Red Hat) setting up for my internet was as easy as OS/2.

Tony.


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From: cjii@my-deja.com                                  12-Oct-99 18:20:10
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Modules for Escape GL

From: CII <cjii@my-deja.com>

Please inform Snow Storm if being able to add modules would benifit
you....

Thanks


> Can you add other Modules to Escape GL 2.2???
>
> Like other *.SSM Files, or like the attached Dll files???
>
> (See attached file: 3DOBJECT.DLL)(See attached file:
> COSMIC.DLL)



We do not currently support other modules, however that is not to say
it
is not possible. If sufficient interest is shown we will consider
adding
this. You can however make custom Escape GL modules with the free
developers kits. Again if sufficient requests are made, we will convert
some other popular modules to Escape GL modules. In addition, we always
appreciate any new module ideas.

Steve
Snow Storm Software

--
http://trss.webjump.com


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: info@qvision.net                                  12-Oct-99 19:06:29
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Circus Technology/Unite CD-Maker

From: info@qvision.net

I am interest in purchasing the rights and source code to the
Unite CD-Maker from Circus Technology. Please email me if
you can help.

John M. Schaeffer
John@qvision.net
<A HREF="http://www.quietvision.com">www.quietvision.com</A>
Home of the Electronic Paperback (R)

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From: r.dunham@onsemi.com                               12-Oct-99 11:19:21
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: TP385XD & SDD

From: "Richard M. Dunham" <r.dunham@onsemi.com>

I downloaded the latest beta 7 version from SDD on Monday and
attempted an install lat night but received an error message during
boot-up as follows:

Unable to get Device Driver functions!  Fatal error in driver; Hit
C-A-D to reboot machine!

My TP uses the NeoMagic driver 128XD which is on their approved vendor
list but I'm not sure if Beta 7 or prior version was written to be
used with an LCD, etc.

Does anyone have any information?

Regards:  Dick

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From: jjacobs0@my-deja.com                              12-Oct-99 18:55:19
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: ATM 911 protocol (banking)

From: Jerome Jacobsen <jjacobs0@my-deja.com>

I'm actually trying to understand the data communications between the
ATM and host.  I've been told there are many protocols for this: IBM
3275 bisync, SNA, TCP/IP, 911/912, MDS1000, and on and on.  What I
don't understand is the layering.  Which run on top of which?  Which
are application protocols?  Are there many application protocols or is
there a standard?  For example, I assume there is an application
protocol that deals with ATM transactions (e.g. a Verify Withdraw
message).

Utterly confused.

Jerome Jacobsen
jacobsen<at>aedar<dot>com

In article <380352c2@news2.prserv.net>,
  "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net> wrote:
> Hi Jerome
>
> To my knowledge, 911/912 is very specific to Diebold, and the only
source
> for doco I have ever found is Diebold themselves.They do have a CD-ROM
> containing much of the ATM related stuff, including the 911/912 spec,
but it
> is rarer than toilet paper in the army - if you can get it, let me
know how
> you managed!
>
> Regards
>
> Shaun
>
> Jerome Jacobsen <jjacobs0@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:7tvfmr$pia$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Sorry this forum isn't quite the appropriate place for this posting.
> > However, this is the only newsgroup where I've found any
information on
> > this before.
> >
> > I'm trying to find information on the Automated Teller Machine
911/912
> > protocols.  Where does one get the specification?  I've searched the
> > internet to no avail.  Also, are these industry standard or Diebold
> > specific?  Any info greatly appreciated.
> >
> > ------------------
> > email: jacobsen<at>aedar<dot>com
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
>

--
---------------
jacobsen<at>aedar<dot>com


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              12-Oct-99 19:18:25
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <7tlbmb$jkb$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote:
>	Everything you say is true of course, that is for the future.  
>Thing is, the future isn't here yet.  This is the present, and OS/2 does 
>a good job on its own.
>	One area that you kind of goofed on in the hardware part of your 
>post is the one on scanners.  It's funny, funny because Linux's scanner 
>supports stinks compared with OS/2's. ;-)
>	With Linux, you have SANE...that's it.  With OS/2, we have SANE 
>ported over, including two commercial products (STi and CFM) that provide 
>OS/2 native scanning support for some scanners and also the advantage of 
>Win-OS/2.  Some scanners using their Windows 3.1 software have been 
>reported to work under OS/2 in this manner.  The success rate is not too 
>high, though, but it is a route that an OS/2 user can go that a Linux 
>user can not.
>	VMWare is a truly nice thing to have, though, that I'd admit.

VMWare is one of the more remarkable pieces of software to come along
in a long time. For someone like me who's primary motivation for
keeping OS2 around was that it's a "better Windows than Windows" 
the time is near to give OS2 its last rites. I've had it with IBM and
software vendors who gouge OS2 customers because it's a small market.
Not to mention the poor driver support. Linux offers more control,
flexibility, and value. Add VMWare to the picture and what incentive
is there to keep OS2 around? Many folks have been wanting to run
Windows apps under Linux anyway, but until VMware there simply wasn't
a good way to do it (WINE was woefully inadequate and WABI has been 
in mothballs). I can tell you first hand that VMWare works very well.
I installed WIN98 in a virtual machine to run a graphical AI board
game. Although my system has only 64 MB the game runs exceptionally
well, almost as good as WINOS2 although that has much more memory
at its disposal than the virtual machine. OS2's much vaunted "crash
protection"? You can create a separate VM for each Windows app and
get the same benefit. Try VMware for 30 days and see for yourself:
www.vmware.com

Peter Stein
nbi@xnet.com

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     12-Oct-99 20:38:08
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: TP385XD & SDD

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:19:42 -0700, Richard M. Dunham wrote:

->I downloaded the latest beta 7 version from SDD on Monday and
->attempted an install lat night but received an error message during
->boot-up as follows:
->
->Unable to get Device Driver functions!  Fatal error in driver; Hit
->C-A-D to reboot machine!
->
->My TP uses the NeoMagic driver 128XD which is on their approved vendor
->list but I'm not sure if Beta 7 or prior version was written to be
->used with an LCD, etc.

There's no Neomagic support in SDD beta 7. Reboot and use Alt+F1 to reset
to VGA then REM out the sddhelp.sys line in CONFIG.SYS afterwards.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     12-Oct-99 20:36:15
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:16
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 12 Oct 1999 13:51:37 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

-> IRQ Level = 11  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
-> IRQ Level = 12  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary Device Controller
-> IRQ Level = 14  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller
->
->Except I don't see either of them! What is this "Adaptec AIC7870"? My two
->cards are an AHA 2940AU, which works, and an AVA 1502E which does not
->(that's the one I'm trying to load a driver for).

The chipset in a 2940xx (except xx= U2W) is an AIC7870 and the generic
driver for all boards built on this chipset is AIC7870.ADD. 

AFAIK the 1502 is hardcoded to use IRQ 11 so you probably need to tell
your BIOS to reserve that one as legacy/ISA and force the 2940 to a
different setting that way. The driver for a 1502 should be AHA152X.ADD
not the AHA154X.ADD that someone else quoted.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: cocke@ibm.net                                     12-Oct-99 16:24:14
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:17
Subj: Re: Warp Server

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:35:32 -0400, Ken Anderson wrote:

>Are there any books out on Warp Server for e-business.  I'm looking for
>something to help me setup my network.  I hate looking at the help
>files, I like having something to actually flip through.
>
>Thanks
>Ken
>

I bought the redbooks.  Other than those, I've not seen anything either.



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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             12-Oct-99 15:55:29
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:17
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:00:43 -0500 (CDT), Scott E. Garfinkle wrote:

>If, by the way, you add a second 2940, you have to add a second 
> BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD to config.sys.
I've been told that this is not a true statement. Sorry.


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From: shaunus@ibm.net                                   12-Oct-99 22:54:22
  To: All                                               12-Oct-99 23:18:17
Subj: Re: ATM 911 protocol (banking)

From: "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net>

Jerome

It looks something like this (on traditional OS/2 based ATMs - the ones I am
familiar with)

TCS - terminal control software - top level application layer - handles
display, devices etc - this is the bit that knows about 911/912
CSS - communications subsystem - handles the comms - doesn't know 911/912
but routes data between TCS and devices (including the comms device, cash
dispenser, display etc). TCS writes and reads CSS, as do all the bits of
hardware.
Network protocol driver - your SNA LU0, 3600 loop, TCP/IP, etc
Comms hardware - in the machines I have worked on this has always been async
using a DLC adapter, but it is entirely possible to use X.25 and token ring
hardware.

In a nutshell then - CSS abstracts the comms from TCS using its network
protocol driver. 911/912 is the application layer carrying the transaction
requests/responses (cash withdrawal request). The ATM host (big iron,
Tandem, Stratus or whatever) will also talk 911/912 to control the ATM and
authorise transactions.

I hope this helps.

Shaun


Jerome Jacobsen <jjacobs0@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7u0073$76h$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I'm actually trying to understand the data communications between the
> ATM and host.  I've been told there are many protocols for this: IBM
> 3275 bisync, SNA, TCP/IP, 911/912, MDS1000, and on and on.  What I
> don't understand is the layering.  Which run on top of which?  Which
> are application protocols?  Are there many application protocols or is
> there a standard?  For example, I assume there is an application
> protocol that deals with ATM transactions (e.g. a Verify Withdraw
> message).
>
> Utterly confused.
>
> Jerome Jacobsen
> jacobsen<at>aedar<dot>com



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From: mwalsh1@elp.rr.com                                12-Oct-99 19:50:15
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com>

One trouble I had was that there may be problems if both the cards want to
have
BIOS active at the same time.  One is supposed to be on and one off.   I got
both to work under OS/2 on, but Win 98 won't work with the first one.  Neither
one Adaptec by the way.

On 11 Oct 1999 22:43:18 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

>
>How do I install two SCSI adapters in the same machine?
>
>I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
>connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
>without the scanner having been on during boot.
>
>The card is supposed to be supported from the installation CD but
>Selective Install  says the directory is not valid. Where is the driver
>supposed to be?
>
>Pierre
>-- 
>Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
>                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
>The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
>   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com


Matt Walsh  El Paso, TX
Computin' & Shootin' in the dust.


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From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net                     13-Oct-99 02:01:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: My journey into LinuxLand

From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net (Zephyr Q)

It was Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:17:23 and Cygnus@unimatrix.com 
(Ron Blatt) spake unto us, saying:

--> Spurred by the recent announcement about the planned discontinuation
--> of the free downloading from Software Choice, I decided it was time to
--> simply see what Linux had to offer me. (Understand that I don't
--> believe IBM has no right to charge for their products, it's just
--> simply out of my budget to spend that much every 2 years, and for my
--> part-time job, I will need the latest JDK). Keep in mind this wasn't
--> my virgin voyage into Linux, but the first time I installed was about
--> 2 years ago, and there have been considerable advances in the Window
--> Manager arena (notably GNOME) that have come about. Please view this
--> posting as a take on Linux from an avid OS/2 user's perspective.

	There with ya, pal.  I was willing to deal with most of 
IBM's marketing strategies, but if I am going to shell out 
200+ dollars every two years, I might as well spend the 
money for hardware upgrades (I just this month entered the 
Pentium era from a 486 that served me for four years...).   
 
--> <<snipped most of the Debian frustration stuff>>

--> I never fully appreciated how transparent the object model
--> was in the WPS until now. With GNOME I found myself bending over
--> backwards to give myself the kind of consistent object behavior that
--> I've come to take for granted in OS/2.

	Though I haven't made the full transition yet, I have 
already found that I miss the WPS--while Linux can be 
powerful, it still isn't **there** yet.  I might like 'drop 
dead gorgeous', but I also like being able to control object
behavior, which OS/2 gave me more freedom to do--though I 
still admit that I'm still a bit lost in Xwin--maybe I 
should try a newer release (SuSE 6.2?)

--> mp3 in XWindows, I experinced tremendous lag whenever I tried to do
--> almost anything else, not to mention the sound quality would go to
--> hell. This *never* happened to me under OS/2. OS/2 definately beats
--> Linux in multitasking. 

	This was a given--again, I'll miss OS/2 (sigh).

--> While retrieving some mail in Linux, I got the WarpCast announcing the
--> first release of EverBlue. I felt guilty and homesick. Needless to
--> say, I'm back, and I feel home again. I truly missed ya. As for Java,
--> well I suppose I'll deal with that when the time comes. I'm simply not
--> ready to leave my beloved operating system just yet.

	This is where we differ.  No matter how much I get flamed 
(as was the case when I announced my switch several weeks 
ago), I get excited about OS's that are continuing to grow 
and mature.  I was an OS/2 man for several years, but since 
I'm not a computer professional (I'm in education), I got 
tired trying to explain to the uniformed why I **didn't** 
use windows...and when people got excited about a 'new and 
better OS than windows', dealing with their consternation 
when they informed me of the obvious--very few people had 
heard of OS/2, let alone support it.  	

	Linux, on the other hand, seems to have a future.  It has 
made --great-- strides in the past year, and while the lack 
of standardization may frustrate you, it shows me that there
is a lot of promise there; enough to convince me that IBM 
isn't worth the effort of trying to find apps that 
approximate what I could do in Windows.

	This is all, obviously, based on what we (you, I, etc.) 
decide we need.  My computer is more than a tool for me--I 
actually enjoy the challenge of fine tuning a decent OS and 
making it do things that Windows can't do.  I just can't get
excited about OS/2 anymore--my close 'geek' friends laughed 
when I actually went into mourning when IBM announced it was
killing Warp 3 support (of course, IBM followed that up with
the Software Choice thing...) and at least Linux has a real 
future.  

	Feel free to pay the cash for Software Choice--I can't 
justify it.


	OK, I'll stop venting now... ;->


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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               12-Oct-99 19:53:20
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>

John Hong wrote:
> 
> Peter Stein (nbi@typhoon.xnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : VMWare is one of the more remarkable pieces of software to come along
> : in a long time. For someone like me who's primary motivation for
> : keeping OS2 around was that it's a "better Windows than Windows"
> : the time is near to give OS2 its last rites. I've had it with IBM and
> : software vendors who gouge OS2 customers because it's a small market.
> : Not to mention the poor driver support. Linux offers more control,
> : flexibility, and value. Add VMWare to the picture and what incentive
> : is there to keep OS2 around?
> 
>         Some people have a heard enough time even looking at the Linux
> command prompt.  The learning curve for Linux is a little steeper, well,
> alright, way steeper for most people.  With OS/2 the move was never as
> bad since a great majority of the knowledge from DOS, Windows 95 could be
> translated for OS/2 pretty easily.
> 
> : Many folks have been wanting to run Windows apps under Linux anyway,
> 
>         Which has been a mistake, OS/2 has been living proof of that.
> 
> : in mothballs). I can tell you first hand that VMWare works very well.
> : I installed WIN98 in a virtual machine to run a graphical AI board
> : game. Although my system has only 64 MB the game runs exceptionally
> : well, almost as good as WINOS2 although that has much more memory
> : at its disposal than the virtual machine. OS2's much vaunted "crash
> : protection"? You can create a separate VM for each Windows app and
> : get the same benefit. Try VMware for 30 days and see for yourself:
> : www.vmware.com
> 
>         Somehow, I doubt the part about it being as good as Win-OS/2.
> I'd imagine you would agree too if you tried launching VMWare on a 16-32
> MB machine. ;-)
>         The thing on OS stability is a little unfair, afterall, OS/2 is
> the operating system and VMware is an application.  What about after the
> 30 days though, Peter?  Will I be seeing a check for $299 from you
> anytime soon? ;-)  I mean that is pretty expensive, plus add the total on
> how much Windows would cost, plus extra hardware upgrade (RAM mainly)
> since running multitude VMware windows alongside running Linux
> applications I would imagine RAM would be eaten for breakfast.
>         Anyhow, I'd rather look at Freemware which is a open sourced project 
to
> produce a program like VMware.  Course, the difference is that one
> currently goes $299 while the other will be free and could be ported to
> a multitude of platforms making even the switch to Linux sort of
> rudendent if they get even half to the abilities of VMware.  Unlike
> other projects, this one doesn't look like all smoke and mirrors because
> the man behind it is Kevin Lawton, the same guy behind Bochs x86 PC
emulator.
>         I recently checked out the Bochs website, they've actually added
> Pentium emulation.  It's progressed a lot in the past year.  Even though
> Bochs and VMware accomplish the samething, VMware is much quicker than
> Bochs since both use a different manner on emulation.  Bochs emulates the
> entire CPU instruction, whereas VMware just hooks into your own.
> Freemware could be the next big thing after Linux, IMO.

$299 to make Linux and Win2000 easily accessible to the desktop at the
same time is nothing for those multitudes of corporations out there that
are looking to protect their Windows investment but move to a more
stable, secure, and open platform.  $299 is peanuts. Many of these
corporations measure their  IT annual budgets in the millions.  Even a
single developer often measures her/his annual development budget
between 500 - 1200.  Farewell OS/2.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    13-Oct-99 01:05:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Cameron Hughes (cahughes@cc.ysu.edu) wrote:

: Since Vmware gives you complete access to Windows 2000,NT,95,98, Win31,
: MSDOS, and Linux has literally thousands of native applications and

	VMware emulates the rest of the hardware, but *not* the CPU.  In 
theory, running DOS or Windows 3.1 applications will be just as poor 
under OS/2 as it would be under VMware on Linux when running on a IA-64.

: Inprise (Borland) is porting its development tools to Linux, Corel 
: Corporation is porting Corel Office to Linux, and Corel, IBM, HP, SGI
: and a host of other large companies are plugging the device Driver Holes
: in Linux, And Corel is making a easier installation program for Linux,
: and Linux has the Enlightenment Window Manager etc.

	Caldera already has one and its called Lizard...plus they've 
made it open source.

:  OS/2 is not an option. For sentimental reasons you may want to hang 
: on to it.  For comfort zone reasons you may one to hang on to it. But 
: it is a zombie.

	I'm sorry Cameron, but you're going bonkers.  The reason *I* use 
OS/2 is certainly not because of sentimental reasons, it's because it works.
I'm a little surprised that so much stock is being put into IA-64.  I 
mean, it's not released yet and plus even Hewlett-Packard is telling 
their customers to forget about it.  Are there any IA-64 mobo's out?  
They're supposed to be a newer slot, Slot M.

: Night of the 'living dead'.  I wish this were not the case but it is.  K
: and KOM will demolish  Workplace Shell and SOM.  I wish this were not
: the case but it is.  List the 10 latest development tools for OS/2, List
: the 10 latest development tools for Linux, case closed.

	Until it happens Cameron, you're blowing smoke...nothing else.

:  I'm sorry my friends, OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no 
: longer can.  It running on fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.

	Why?  Why are you telling me this?  If I wanted to move over to 
Linux, don't you think I already would have?  Anyway, I wouldn't go ga-ga 
over this until it is actually done.  Plans can be scrapped at any 
moment, ie. WordPerfect on Wordperfect 6 for OS/2.  Basically, I wouldn't 
be tooting any horns until the stuff is actually there.  While I hope 
Corel gets back into the game bigtime, I'm certainly not ignorant of the 
fact that Corel is in pretty bad financial shape.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    13-Oct-99 01:12:17
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Cameron Hughes (cahughes@cc.ysu.edu) wrote:

: $299 to make Linux and Win2000 easily accessible to the desktop at the
: same time is nothing for those multitudes of corporations out there that
: are looking to protect their Windows investment but move to a more
: stable, secure, and open platform.  $299 is peanuts. Many of these
: corporations measure their  IT annual budgets in the millions.  Even a
: single developer often measures her/his annual development budget
: between 500 - 1200.  Farewell OS/2.

	Whoa, back up a minute.  Who's talking about IT corporations?  
You came in here pulling a Nostrodomous and telling *us*, the regular 
Joe, about all the happy things going on in Linux land where the little 
green leprechauns are jumping up and down.
	Besides, VMWare is still not perfect and it depends on how much a 
company would want to spend on VMware licenses, plus, the support hired 
to make sure that it runs well on all machines.  The one fall back when 
depending on a emulator is that if something goes wrong and a application 
doesn't work correctly, how are we going to know who is to blame?  VMware 
or the program?

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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  12-Oct-99 19:32:10
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: TP385XD & SDD

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

Appreciate the tip before trying it on my 385ED.  I tried it with an
ELSA Winner/2000 Office (Permedia II).  It worked, as long as I didn't
ever try to open a DOS or Win/OS2 session.  C-A-D time.

Trevor Hemsley wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:19:42 -0700, Richard M. Dunham wrote:
> 
> ->I downloaded the latest beta 7 version from SDD on Monday and
> ->attempted an install lat night but received an error message during
> ->boot-up as follows:
> ->
> ->Unable to get Device Driver functions!  Fatal error in driver; Hit
> ->C-A-D to reboot machine!
> ->
> ->My TP uses the NeoMagic driver 128XD which is on their approved vendor
> ->list but I'm not sure if Beta 7 or prior version was written to be
> ->used with an LCD, etc.
> 
> There's no Neomagic support in SDD beta 7. Reboot and use Alt+F1 to reset
> to VGA then REM out the sddhelp.sys line in CONFIG.SYS afterwards.
> 
> Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
> (Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      13-Oct-99 00:47:23
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:02
Subj: Re: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <38032abe.5288343@news.webryders.com>, mail@ibexmfg.com (RCW) writes:

>I need to unzip a .gz website log file.  I've been able to find an
>OS/2 version of gzip on Hobbes but not gunzip.  Does anyone have any
>suggestions?

Try "gzip -d"

gzip 1.2.4 (18 Aug 93)
usage: gzip [-acdfhlLnNtvV19] [-S suffix] [file ...]
 -a --ascii       ascii text; convert end-of-lines using local conventions
 -c --stdout      write on standard output, keep original files unchanged
 -d --decompress  decompress
 -f --force       force overwrite of output file and compress links
 -h --help        give this help
 -l --list        list compressed file contents
 -L --license     display software license
 -n --no-name     do not save or restore the original name and time stamp
 -N --name        save or restore the original name and time stamp
 -q --quiet       suppress all warnings
 -S .suf  --suffix .suf     use suffix .suf on compressed files
 -t --test        test compressed file integrity
 -v --verbose     verbose mode
 -V --version     display version number
 -1 --fast        compress faster
 -9 --best        compress better
 file...          files to (de)compress. If none given, use standard input.

Even on *nix machines, "gunzip" is usually just an alias for 
"gzip -d."


-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: solune@netaxs.com                                 13-Oct-99 03:26:29
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: Install Problem

From: solune@netaxs.com

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:21:02, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

> Rick Knebel schrieb:
> > I am trying to install Warp 4 on my new machine.
> > i have a logitech 3 button bus mouse.
> 
> I just had the same problem installing Warp 4 on my father's new Siemens

Well, what I did is I installed everything VANILLA;
That is, standard VGA, standard mouse, etc.

Then, after everything was loaded, clicked the logitech m-series mouse
on custom install.
No problemo.

ymmv


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           13-Oct-99 00:21:01
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <3803C8C0.A7D14772@cc.ysu.edu>, on 10/12/99 at 07:48 PM,
   Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> said:

> OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no longer can.  It running on
> fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. You are already a
huge asshole and don't need another one.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: merlins@ibm.net                                   13-Oct-99 00:16:00
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: Meinolf Sondermann <merlins@ibm.net>


"Scott E. Garfinkle" wrote:
> 
[....]
> your \os2\boot directory and BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD in config.sys. If, by the
> way, you
> add a second 2940, you have to add a second BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD to
> config.sys.

No. The driver supports multiple adapters of the same flavor concurrently.

Bye/2
Meinolf


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    13-Oct-99 04:37:07
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Bob Germer (bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com) wrote:
: On <3803C8C0.A7D14772@cc.ysu.edu>, on 10/12/99 at 07:48 PM,
:    Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> said:

: > OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no longer can.  It running on
: > fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.

: Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. You are already a
: huge asshole and don't need another one.

	But his outcome will eventually be true.  I mean if IA-64 ever 
does make it to the general desktop market, then we are at a disadvantage 
since it won't run as quickly as a native IA-64 port of OS/2 would be.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 12-Oct-99 23:05:23
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>
spake unto us, saying:

>Since Vmware gives you complete access to Windows 2000, NT, 95, 98,
>Win31, MSDOS,

I can have most of that anyway using my KVM switch and my LAN.  You are
limiting yourself to one platform and not realizing (with today's cheap
hardware prices) that superior (e.g., multi-box) solutions exist.  :-)

In any case, a VMWare user would have to spend a lot of money on OS
licenses in order to be able to run those, not so?

Linux is a good OS, and it will go places.  It *is* going places.  And
there are things about it that are good.  But I personally think that
your enthusiasm is

   (1) somewhat unrealistic,

   (2) nonapplicable to me (since I'm more than a little aware of the
       capabilities of Linux and of VMWare, having both here myself),
       and

   (3) somewhat off-topic for this non-advocacy OS/2 newsgroup.

Please continue this conversation in c.o.o.advocacy.

>I'm sorry my friends, OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no
>longer can.  It running on fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.

Ah, but it's still running comfortably here for me.  I will certainly
let it go, but only when it ceases to do what I want it to do.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                   Memory is a thing we forget with.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 12-Oct-99 22:52:27
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: My journey into LinuxLand

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo
<bvermo@powertech.no> spake unto us, saying:

>Ron Blatt wrote:
>
>> I've always assumed that the performance in Linux is if not better,
>> then on par with OS/2.
>
>If Java is important to you, I'm afraid Linux will be a disappointment.

Isn't IBM also writing a JVM for Linux?

>So will thread performance. In Linux, a thread switch takes almost as
>long as a task switch.

It's my impression that a process switch in Linux is almost as fast as
a thread switch on other Unix flavors (Solaris, etc.), at least based
on the little bit of reading I've done on Linux internals.

Don't know how Linux processes compare to OS/2 threads, but OS/2 is so
smooth at multitasking (my subjective impression after 7+ years) that I
suspect the comparison would favor OS/2, perhaps by a wide margin.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           Lord! Give me chastity and self restraint, but not yet.

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From: shaunus@ibm.net                                   13-Oct-99 08:01:26
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 03:37:03
Subj: Re: ATM 911 protocol (banking)

From: "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net>

Hello Mike

Your name rings a bell somehow.

Standard Bank of SA uses exclusively 912 between their Stratus host and the
ATMs. 8583 is implemented to switch transactions to third parties
(Visa/MasterCard for example). AFAIK, Diebold do not supply an ISO8583
wrapper for their ATM's that run OS/2, but have a later platform that runs
NT (ugh!) and provides more modern, less proprietary protocol support.

Regards

Shaun.

Mike Fry <mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:EdHxIHxd9CDV-pn2-Ow732E5yJ1md@minitower...
> To the best of my knowledge (having done a little bit in this area), at
> the application level is ISO 8583 Financial Transaction Card Originated
> Messages - Interchange Message Specifications. Be aware that although
> ISO 8583 is supposed to be an International Standard, both Mastercard
> and Visa use slightly different 'interpretations' of the standard. Also,
> each financial institution (i.e. Bank) is free to interpret the
> specification in their own way, so long as they adhere to the
> specification when passing messages through the international networks.
> This means that each Bank probably will have their own implementation
> when communicating with their own ATMs.
>
> I have C dlls for packing and unpacking the ISO 8583 messages. These are
> set up for calling from COBOL programs.
>
> Regards,
> MIKE FRY
> mailto:mikefry@iafrica.com


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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          13-Oct-99 15:20:16
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 06:16:02
Subj: Re: Can't read a certain CD.

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

Something about reading joliet formatted (Windoze) CDs

Cheers

Wayne


On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:18:20 -0500 (CDT), Antonio Relyea wrote:

:>On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:05:20 +0800, Wayne Bickell wrote:
:>
:>>DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q /W
:>I'll give it a shot, what does W do?  I can't find any reference to it in
the
:>help files.
:>
:>Tony.
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: Brian@webone.com.au                               13-Oct-99 16:40:26
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 06:16:02
Subj: Re: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: Brian@webone.com.au

In <nerylrnigrqh.fji02i3.pminews@news.supernews.com>, "Antonio Relyea"
<arelyea@vt.edu> writes:
>On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:37:47 GMT, RCW wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I need to unzip a .gz website log file.  I've been able to find an
>>OS/2 version of gzip on Hobbes but not gunzip.  Does anyone have any
>>suggestions?
>
>run gzip with the -d switch
>
>Tony.
>
Also try gzip -h
Brian


>

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 13-Oct-99 07:29:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 06:16:02
Subj: Re: FP 12

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <noynvevozarg.fjhk2t0.pminews@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, "Alex Blair"
<ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not> writes:
>Had problems with with my system after applying FP 12 (I have been running
>with FP 10). I am now having trouble trying to back out to FP10 level that I
>have archived. 
>
>Since I cannot boot to WPS, I have tried to use FSERVICE with a modified
>response file, run from a floppy (it refuses to run from the hard disk,
>giving me a message that the directory where the CS 1.41 (cs_41.exe) files
>have been stored is not valid).  When run from the floppy, I am prompted for
>CSD disk #1. Why would it request CSD disk #1 ? Doesn't the CS 1.41 package
>contain all I need ? If not, what & where can I find the necessary files.

I *think* it is asking for the CSD disks from floppy . . . oooh, fun. I've had
a lot better luck using DIUNPACK and Service from the hard drive -- modified
response files and Voodoo have a lot in common, IMO.  For sure there's a
logical 
reason the readme calls for for sacrificing a goat before attempting a
response 
file fixpack install, but . . .   

>
>Any help is appreciated.
>
>Alex Blair
>

--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd



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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      13-Oct-99 17:46:18
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 06:16:02
Subj: Rexx script to change multiple objects

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

I is it possible to change the object type for all files through a REXX
script?

I've created an object type (MP3) that points to PM123. I don't like .mp3 
extensions and would like to convert all files/objects in a directory to be 
associated with PM123 or the object type (MP3).

Can this be done easily?

Thanks,
Khairil


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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    13-Oct-99 05:56:00
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: resetting network interface

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

Try SETUP, TCPSTART or MPTSTART.


In article <7tv8g0$1hl3$1@nix2.kconline.com>,
"Jeff D. Roesner" <jeffr@warsawcoil.com> wrote:
>I have my OS/2 box acting as my gateway for two other machines, one runs
>Windoze 95 and the other Solaris 7.  All machines have a unique IP address
>and most of the time I can telnet into the Solaris machine without a
>problem.
>
>Every once in awhile, I can't connect to the non-OS/2 machines.  I can
>telnet into my OS/2 box and see all of the other machines while logged into
>the OS/2 box, but from the outside world the other two machines are not
>visible.
>
>Is there a way to reset the connections?  I have tried "ifconfig lan0 down"
>then restarting it, but that didn't work.  Do I need to reset the ppp0 or
>what?
>
>

-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: v_kazimirchik@yahoo.com                           13-Oct-99 14:08:27
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Intel SR440BX is also wrong 

From: "V.Kazimirchik" <v_kazimirchik@yahoo.com>

Hello All.
WolfgangHaas wrote:
> I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> i have worked with all BIOS features )
I do have the same problem with Intel SR440BX board. windoze sees 128Mb,
OS/2 - only 64. The option "64Mb: OS/2-nonOS/2" does not exist in BIOS
setup.
Intel support was notified (through their newsgroup), but didn't bother
to reply...
I've read the post here about Int15 support, so a question:
Maybe something in BIOS (or OS/2 itself) may be "patched" ?
-- 
Regards, Vladimir (http://i.am/kzm, mailto:v_kazimirchik@yahoo.com)

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                11-Oct-99 22:56:09
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 Jim Backus wrote:

> i.e. If installing FP40 for Warp connect, is it also necessary to apply the
> y2k fix for TCP/IP?

If you use the ftp daemon logical-or NewsReader/2: yes.

> I've also seen references to updated versions of MPTS - are updates
> necessary there as well?

No, MPTS is Y2K ready with or without fixpak.

> According to the message in the ftp directories for FP 41 & 42 they are
> only applicable to the server version.  Is there a FP 42 equivalent for
> Warp 3 due?

Yes, there is (XR_R04x), but you need a support contract to obtain it.
Nevertheless you can apply fixpaks > 40, if you patch your SYSLEVEL.OS2
and .MPM from '300x' to '3005' (all occurences).

> Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf"

Please disable that for news. Thanks.

For extensive information on OS/2 Warp and Y2K please visit
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warp_year2000.html

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: djn@peninsula.hotkey.net.au                       11-Oct-99 20:54:10
  To: nospam@null                                       13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Re: OT Win95 question

To: nospam@null
From: <djn@peninsula.hotkey.net.au>

On 11 Oct 1999 05:57:15 GMT, Richard A Crane wrote:

>I recently bit the bullet and tried once again to reinstall Win95 - this time 

>steering clear of any of the fax/modem/network stuff in the vain hope that I 
>might get a system that I could use to install a WIN95 only program on, 
>unfortunately it is now a "must have" for my business.
>Much nashing and wailing later I have a win95(c) partion with a fresh Win95 
>install (at svga) that tris to run win95 fot "the frst time" and fails with a 
 
>"Msgsrv32" error that gives me the option of close or ignore - i've tried
both 
>neither gets me to the win95 desktop, details say iner alia " rsrcmgr.dll at 
>0001:000036b6". Anyone with any clue?
>
>Richard A Crane
>
>Abort, Retry, Fail or I wish I hadn't done that?
>

Hi I don't know if this will apply to you, but I recently had a simmilar
experience with Win95 and Win98.
A new machine Win95 would not complete the install, Win98 installed and 
ran, but wouldn't allow screen resolution to be anything other than 640 
x 460. When you're running 1280x1024 in OS/2 on a NVIDA 32Mb card it's 
somewhat dissapointing.
Anyhow the answer was that the motherboard setup was incorrect.
For Win95 and Win98 the USB port on the board MUST BE ENABLED.
Not having any USB perifials it had somehow been disabled as the 
settings were adjusted for OS/2.

So if your motherboard has inbuilt USB, enable the port even though you 
don't use it.

Hope this helps

Regards Dennis.


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From: ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                         13-Oct-99 13:44:09
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 10:22:20
Subj: Really no "mount/2" to use image files like drives ?

From: Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

While many of the useful Unix programs seem to have their OS/2
counterparts now, I've not found an OS/2 equivalent of the Unix mount
command to use the image file of a hard disk partition as a drive.

Under Linux, for example, an image file in a format known to the system
(i.e. including HPFS) can simply be mounted at any mount point through the
loop device, and then be used just as if the drive was physically present.

Under OS/2, of course this would work by assigning the image file to a
reserved drive letter (something like "mount I: D:\OLD_DISK.IMG").

As the possibility to mount image files as drives has turned out to be
very time-saving in certain situations, I wonder if there's really nothing
like it under OS/2, so if you know where to find it please let me know.

Greetinx/2

Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    13-Oct-99 12:38:25
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:53:40, Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> 
wrote:

> John Hong wrote:
> > 
> > Peter Stein (nbi@typhoon.xnet.com) wrote:
> > 
> > : VMWare is one of the more remarkable pieces of software to come along
> > : in a long time. For someone like me who's primary motivation for
> > : keeping OS2 around was that it's a "better Windows than Windows"
> > : the time is near to give OS2 its last rites. I've had it with IBM and
> > : software vendors who gouge OS2 customers because it's a small market.
> > : Not to mention the poor driver support. Linux offers more control,
> > : flexibility, and value. Add VMWare to the picture and what incentive
> > : is there to keep OS2 around?
> > 
> >         Some people have a heard enough time even looking at the Linux
> > command prompt.  The learning curve for Linux is a little steeper, well,
> > alright, way steeper for most people.  With OS/2 the move was never as
> > bad since a great majority of the knowledge from DOS, Windows 95 could be
> > translated for OS/2 pretty easily.
> > 
> > : Many folks have been wanting to run Windows apps under Linux anyway,
> > 
> >         Which has been a mistake, OS/2 has been living proof of that.
> > 
> > : in mothballs). I can tell you first hand that VMWare works very well.
> > : I installed WIN98 in a virtual machine to run a graphical AI board
> > : game. Although my system has only 64 MB the game runs exceptionally
> > : well, almost as good as WINOS2 although that has much more memory
> > : at its disposal than the virtual machine. OS2's much vaunted "crash
> > : protection"? You can create a separate VM for each Windows app and
> > : get the same benefit. Try VMware for 30 days and see for yourself:
> > : www.vmware.com
> > 
> >         Somehow, I doubt the part about it being as good as Win-OS/2.
> > I'd imagine you would agree too if you tried launching VMWare on a 16-32
> > MB machine. ;-)
> >         The thing on OS stability is a little unfair, afterall, OS/2 is
> > the operating system and VMware is an application.  What about after the
> > 30 days though, Peter?  Will I be seeing a check for $299 from you
> > anytime soon? ;-)  I mean that is pretty expensive, plus add the total on
> > how much Windows would cost, plus extra hardware upgrade (RAM mainly)
> > since running multitude VMware windows alongside running Linux
> > applications I would imagine RAM would be eaten for breakfast.
> >         Anyhow, I'd rather look at Freemware which is a open sourced
project to
> > produce a program like VMware.  Course, the difference is that one
> > currently goes $299 while the other will be free and could be ported to
> > a multitude of platforms making even the switch to Linux sort of
> > rudendent if they get even half to the abilities of VMware.  Unlike
> > other projects, this one doesn't look like all smoke and mirrors because
> > the man behind it is Kevin Lawton, the same guy behind Bochs x86 PC
emulator.
> >         I recently checked out the Bochs website, they've actually added
> > Pentium emulation.  It's progressed a lot in the past year.  Even though
> > Bochs and VMware accomplish the samething, VMware is much quicker than
> > Bochs since both use a different manner on emulation.  Bochs emulates the
> > entire CPU instruction, whereas VMware just hooks into your own.
> > Freemware could be the next big thing after Linux, IMO.
> 
> $299 to make Linux and Win2000 easily accessible to the desktop at the
> same time is nothing for those multitudes of corporations out there that
> are looking to protect their Windows investment but move to a more
> stable, secure, and open platform.  $299 is peanuts. Many of these
> corporations measure their  IT annual budgets in the millions.  Even a
> single developer often measures her/his annual development budget
> between 500 - 1200.  Farewell OS/2.

In other words, install Linux and all our problems will go away.  
Thanks for the tip.

Now why don't you take this idiotic one-size-fits-all argument to 
advocacy where it belongs?

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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    13-Oct-99 12:41:21
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:37:15, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> Bob Germer (bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com) wrote:
> : On <3803C8C0.A7D14772@cc.ysu.edu>, on 10/12/99 at 07:48 PM,
> :    Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> said:
> 
> : > OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no longer can.  It running on
> : > fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.
> 
> : Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. You are already a
> : huge asshole and don't need another one.
> 
> 	But his outcome will eventually be true.  I mean if IA-64 ever 
> does make it to the general desktop market, then we are at a disadvantage 
> since it won't run as quickly as a native IA-64 port of OS/2 would be.
> 

The point you seem to miss is that the troll is out recruiting in a 
non-advocacy newsgroup.

Its called SPAM.

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From: quoss@my-deja.com                                 13-Oct-99 13:11:24
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: OS/2 and ATI Rage Fury AGP

From: Clemens Quoss <quoss@my-deja.com>

Hello,

has anyone experience with the above combination?

TIA

Clemens


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From: fledermaus@attglobal.net                          13-Oct-99 09:27:17
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: JAVAINRT.EXE: cannot find FISETUP directory

From: fledermaus <fledermaus@attglobal.net>

I keep getting java errors so decided to upgrade run-time but cannot
install it: requires some FEATURE INSTALL software which I cannot find.
OS/2 Warp4 FP11.
""

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From: nhorwood@argo-remove-group.com                    13-Oct-99 14:35:09
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: newbie install problems

From: Nicholas Horwood <nhorwood@argo-remove-group.com>

Hi there

(I don't see any newbie questions, i hope it's the place to ask)

I have a copy of OS/2 WARP Version 3 and a HDD with two partitions
one has win95 on it, the other is empty.
I'd like put OS/2 on the second partition, is it possible?

Most important, I only have the CD, no install disks.
The cd has a batch file called cdinst.bat which can create two install
discs but when I run it an isert disk one, i get

'there was an error formating the floppy discs ...'

and the batch file quits.

The batch file was run under Win95.

What am i doing wrong?

thanks for any help

Nicholas Horwood

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From: SCHNEI09@fsrz1.rz.uni-passau.de                   13-Oct-99 16:08:24
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Gigabyte Mainboard & Voodoo 3 & TNT 2

From: Christian Schneider <SCHNEI09@fsrz1.rz.uni-passau.de>

Hi there,
I heard that some Gigabyte Boards donït work with Voodoo 3 or TNT 2
Cards. Iïve got a Gigabyte 6BXC Board with Intel 440BX Chipset/ Pentium
II 400. Is this board able to work correct with Voodoo 3 or TNT 2 raphic
Chips???
Chris

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From: ffitz@my-deja.com                                 13-Oct-99 14:40:21
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 and ATI Rage Fury AGP

From: ffitz@my-deja.com

I have an integrated Rage Pro AGP on the motherboard
of this Dell OptiPlex.  After much searching,
downloading, installing, and removing of drivers I
came to the conclusion that it was not a good match.
My biggest problem was black rectangles in place of
graphic images on the toolbar for IBM VAC++ Visual
Builder.  This is a known problem with the GRADD
drivers and the ATI Rage Pro AGP, and the non-GRADD
drivers made the whole machine crater.  Now I am
using a Matrox Millenium with no problems.

In article <7u20eb$kvq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Clemens Quoss <quoss@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> has anyone experience with the above combination?
>
> TIA
>
> Clemens


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From: jjacobs0@my-deja.com                              13-Oct-99 14:47:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: ATM 911 protocol (banking)

From: Jerome Jacobsen <jjacobs0@my-deja.com>

Shaun,

Your info has been very helpful.  Thanks.  I was wondering if you know
about how ATMs with Smart Card option work.  Is there a purse
application on the card that gets updated by the ATM?  Is the balance
on the Smart Card passed in any 911/912 messages to the host?  It would
seem that the operation with a Smart Card would change the messaging
with the host.

What I'm hoping is that as soon as the Smart Card is placed in the ATM
a message goes to the host identifing the card (e.g. card id#).  Then
after the ATM does PIN verification and the user selects a withdraw
transaction, then the next message to the host indicates a withdraw
transaction with current balance and withdraw amount.  The host returns
OK.  The ATM prompts customer to continue or cancel.  Customer
continues and ATM messages host to commit the transaction.  Host
messages ATM that transaction is committed.  ATM updates balance on
Smart Card.  When customer is done with all transactions, ATM messages
host to end session.

In article <380411d7@news2.prserv.net>,
  "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net> wrote:
> Hello Mike
>
> Your name rings a bell somehow.
>
> Standard Bank of SA uses exclusively 912 between their Stratus host
and the
> ATMs. 8583 is implemented to switch transactions to third parties
> (Visa/MasterCard for example). AFAIK, Diebold do not supply an ISO8583
> wrapper for their ATM's that run OS/2, but have a later platform that
runs
> NT (ugh!) and provides more modern, less proprietary protocol support.
>
> Regards
>
> Shaun.
>
> Mike Fry <mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:EdHxIHxd9CDV-pn2-Ow732E5yJ1md@minitower...
> > To the best of my knowledge (having done a little bit in this
area), at
> > the application level is ISO 8583 Financial Transaction Card
Originated
> > Messages - Interchange Message Specifications. Be aware that
although
> > ISO 8583 is supposed to be an International Standard, both
Mastercard
> > and Visa use slightly different 'interpretations' of the standard.
Also,
> > each financial institution (i.e. Bank) is free to interpret the
> > specification in their own way, so long as they adhere to the
> > specification when passing messages through the international
networks.
> > This means that each Bank probably will have their own
implementation
> > when communicating with their own ATMs.
> >
> > I have C dlls for packing and unpacking the ISO 8583 messages.
These are
> > set up for calling from COBOL programs.
> >
> > Regards,
> > MIKE FRY
> > mailto:mikefry@iafrica.com
>
>

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              13-Oct-99 08:12:20
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: newbie install problems

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Nicholas Horwood wrote:
> I have a copy of OS/2 WARP Version 3 and a HDD with two partitions
> one has win95 on it, the other is empty.
> I'd like put OS/2 on the second partition, is it possible?

Yes, OS/2 can be on a second primary partition or in a logical
partition. In either case you should install Boot Manager to make
switching between them possible. Depending on the size of the drive
(bigger than 2GB) you'll need to update the install disks from IBM's
online Device Driver site.

> Most important, I only have the CD, no install disks.
> The cd has a batch file called cdinst.bat which can create two install
> discs but when I run it an isert disk one, i get
> 
> 'there was an error formating the floppy discs ...'
> 
> and the batch file quits.

Sounds like you have a bad floppy disk or drive.

Graham.

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               13-Oct-99 17:22:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 14:36:18
Subj: Re: newbie install problems

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Nicholas Horwood schrieb:
> I have a copy of OS/2 WARP Version 3 and a HDD with two partitions
> one has win95 on it, the other is empty.
> I'd like put OS/2 on the second partition, is it possible?

Yes, but you have to install OS/2's boot manager in a small seperate
partition (be sure you read the installation guide) so you can boot both
systems. You need to use OS/2's fdisk to do that. Also be warned that
you will have to update some drivers on the installation disks if you
have HDs bigger than 2,1 GB or fdisk won't see a lot of your HDs. You
can get the drivers from IBMs Online Device Driver Pak
(http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm). Look for
"OS/2 component updates", select "Installation disk updates" and then
"Greater than 8,4GB IDE Hardfile support". Unpack the file and copy the
new drivers over the ones on the installation disks.
Hm, I don't have my old Warp 3 here. Maybe some kind soul will send you
a ready-to-use diskimage you can use.

Another thing is that you may need to turn off your second level cache
if the install hangs. Things then will go much more slowly, but it
works.

> Most important, I only have the CD, no install disks.
> The cd has a batch file called cdinst.bat which can create two install
> discs but when I run it an isert disk one, i get
> 
> 'there was an error formating the floppy discs ...'
> 
> and the batch file quits.
> 
> The batch file was run under Win95.

Hm, maybe it uses some commandline switches Windows doesn't understand.
Have a look at the batch file.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: shaunus@ibm.net                                   13-Oct-99 18:28:29
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: ATM 911 protocol (banking)

From: "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net>

Jerome,

I am afraid the smartcard issue may be out of my depth. The flow of messages
will depend on three things - the chip implementation, the host and the
software on the ATM. I have had a brush with Mondex (MultOS) but not
VisaCash or any of the other 'standard' implementations.

I will mail you directly with some further info since I suspect we are
getting a little off topic here.

Regards

Shaun.


Jerome Jacobsen <jjacobs0@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7u2617$p8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Shaun,
>
> Your info has been very helpful.  Thanks.  I was wondering if you know
> about how ATMs with Smart Card option work.  Is there a purse
> application on the card that gets updated by the ATM?  Is the balance
> on the Smart Card passed in any 911/912 messages to the host?  It would
> seem that the operation with a Smart Card would change the messaging
> with the host.
>
> What I'm hoping is that as soon as the Smart Card is placed in the ATM
> a message goes to the host identifing the card (e.g. card id#).  Then
> after the ATM does PIN verification and the user selects a withdraw
> transaction, then the next message to the host indicates a withdraw
> transaction with current balance and withdraw amount.  The host returns
> OK.  The ATM prompts customer to continue or cancel.  Customer
> continues and ATM messages host to commit the transaction.  Host
> messages ATM that transaction is committed.  ATM updates balance on
> Smart Card.  When customer is done with all transactions, ATM messages
> host to end session.
>



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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              13-Oct-99 16:43:26
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <7u0ma2$b0c$4@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote:
>Cameron Hughes (cahughes@cc.ysu.edu) wrote:
>
>: $299 to make Linux and Win2000 easily accessible to the desktop at the
>: same time is nothing for those multitudes of corporations out there that
>: are looking to protect their Windows investment but move to a more
>: stable, secure, and open platform.  $299 is peanuts. Many of these
>: corporations measure their  IT annual budgets in the millions.  Even a
>: single developer often measures her/his annual development budget
>: between 500 - 1200.  Farewell OS/2.
>
>	Whoa, back up a minute.  Who's talking about IT corporations?  
>You came in here pulling a Nostrodomous and telling *us*, the regular 
>Joe, about all the happy things going on in Linux land where the little 
>green leprechauns are jumping up and down.
>	Besides, VMWare is still not perfect and it depends on how much a 
>company would want to spend on VMware licenses, plus, the support hired 
>to make sure that it runs well on all machines.  The one fall back when 
>depending on a emulator is that if something goes wrong and a application 
>doesn't work correctly, how are we going to know who is to blame?  VMware 
>or the program?

Simple enough. Run it under the native OS with the same constraints and
see if it craps out. If it does it's probably the program's fault. If not
then VMware is probably the culprit.

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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              13-Oct-99 16:38:20
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <7u0dmd$e39$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote:
>Peter Stein (nbi@typhoon.xnet.com) wrote:
>
>: VMWare is one of the more remarkable pieces of software to come along
>: in a long time. For someone like me who's primary motivation for
>: keeping OS2 around was that it's a "better Windows than Windows" 
>: the time is near to give OS2 its last rites. I've had it with IBM and
>: software vendors who gouge OS2 customers because it's a small market.
>: Not to mention the poor driver support. Linux offers more control,
>: flexibility, and value. Add VMWare to the picture and what incentive
>: is there to keep OS2 around?
>
>	Some people have a heard enough time even looking at the Linux 
>command prompt.  The learning curve for Linux is a little steeper, well, 
>alright, way steeper for most people.  With OS/2 the move was never as 
>bad since a great majority of the knowledge from DOS, Windows 95 could be 
>translated for OS/2 pretty easily.
>
>: Many folks have been wanting to run Windows apps under Linux anyway, 
>
>	Which has been a mistake, OS/2 has been living proof of that.

The reason they want to do this is because it's a neccessary evil not
because it's something desirable. Until there is a wealth of native
Linux apps users may occasionally be forced to fire up Windoze. But
that day is rapidly approaching. Already I'm rarely resorting to
Windoze since all Internet access and wysiswyg work can be done from
within Linux. 

>: in mothballs). I can tell you first hand that VMWare works very well.
>: I installed WIN98 in a virtual machine to run a graphical AI board
>: game. Although my system has only 64 MB the game runs exceptionally
>: well, almost as good as WINOS2 although that has much more memory
>: at its disposal than the virtual machine. OS2's much vaunted "crash
>: protection"? You can create a separate VM for each Windows app and
>: get the same benefit. Try VMware for 30 days and see for yourself:
>: www.vmware.com
>
>	Somehow, I doubt the part about it being as good as Win-OS/2.  
>I'd imagine you would agree too if you tried launching VMWare on a 16-32 
>MB machine. ;-)

Of course. But that is a given.

>	The thing on OS stability is a little unfair, afterall, OS/2 is 
>the operating system and VMware is an application.

Your point is?

>What about after the 
>30 days though, Peter?  Will I be seeing a check for $299 from you 
>anytime soon? ;-) 

As a matter of fact I anted up for the $99 on monday after a week of
experimenting. That's right, that is $99 for a non-commercial license.

>I mean that is pretty expensive, plus add the total on 
>how much Windows would cost, plus extra hardware upgrade (RAM mainly) 
>since running multitude VMware windows alongside running Linux 
>applications I would imagine RAM would be eaten for breakfast.

You're quite right. But I desperately needed to up my RAM anyway so
this was yet another argument in favor of adding more.

>	Anyhow, I'd rather look at Freemware which is a open sourced project to 
>produce a program like VMware.  Course, the difference is that one 
>currently goes $299 while the other will be free and could be ported to 
>a multitude of platforms making even the switch to Linux sort of 
>rudendent if they get even half to the abilities of VMware.  Unlike 
>other projects, this one doesn't look like all smoke and mirrors because 
>the man behind it is Kevin Lawton, the same guy behind Bochs x86 PC emulator.
>	I recently checked out the Bochs website, they've actually added 
>Pentium emulation.  It's progressed a lot in the past year.  Even though 
>Bochs and VMware accomplish the samething, VMware is much quicker than 
>Bochs since both use a different manner on emulation.  Bochs emulates the 
>entire CPU instruction, whereas VMware just hooks into your own.  
>Freemware could be the next big thing after Linux, IMO.

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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              13-Oct-99 16:39:25
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <3803CA04.332FD84A@cc.ysu.edu>,
Cameron Hughes  <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> wrote:
>John Hong wrote:
>> 
>> Peter Stein (nbi@typhoon.xnet.com) wrote:
>> 
>> : VMWare is one of the more remarkable pieces of software to come along
>> : in a long time. For someone like me who's primary motivation for
>> : keeping OS2 around was that it's a "better Windows than Windows"
>> : the time is near to give OS2 its last rites. I've had it with IBM and
>> : software vendors who gouge OS2 customers because it's a small market.
>> : Not to mention the poor driver support. Linux offers more control,
>> : flexibility, and value. Add VMWare to the picture and what incentive
>> : is there to keep OS2 around?
>> 
>>         Some people have a heard enough time even looking at the Linux
>> command prompt.  The learning curve for Linux is a little steeper, well,
>> alright, way steeper for most people.  With OS/2 the move was never as
>> bad since a great majority of the knowledge from DOS, Windows 95 could be
>> translated for OS/2 pretty easily.
>> 
>> : Many folks have been wanting to run Windows apps under Linux anyway,
>> 
>>         Which has been a mistake, OS/2 has been living proof of that.
>> 
>> : in mothballs). I can tell you first hand that VMWare works very well.
>> : I installed WIN98 in a virtual machine to run a graphical AI board
>> : game. Although my system has only 64 MB the game runs exceptionally
>> : well, almost as good as WINOS2 although that has much more memory
>> : at its disposal than the virtual machine. OS2's much vaunted "crash
>> : protection"? You can create a separate VM for each Windows app and
>> : get the same benefit. Try VMware for 30 days and see for yourself:
>> : www.vmware.com
>> 
>>         Somehow, I doubt the part about it being as good as Win-OS/2.
>> I'd imagine you would agree too if you tried launching VMWare on a 16-32
>> MB machine. ;-)
>>         The thing on OS stability is a little unfair, afterall, OS/2 is
>> the operating system and VMware is an application.  What about after the
>> 30 days though, Peter?  Will I be seeing a check for $299 from you
>> anytime soon? ;-)  I mean that is pretty expensive, plus add the total on
>> how much Windows would cost, plus extra hardware upgrade (RAM mainly)
>> since running multitude VMware windows alongside running Linux
>> applications I would imagine RAM would be eaten for breakfast.
>>         Anyhow, I'd rather look at Freemware which is a open sourced
project to
>> produce a program like VMware.  Course, the difference is that one
>> currently goes $299 while the other will be free and could be ported to
>> a multitude of platforms making even the switch to Linux sort of
>> rudendent if they get even half to the abilities of VMware.  Unlike
>> other projects, this one doesn't look like all smoke and mirrors because
>> the man behind it is Kevin Lawton, the same guy behind Bochs x86 PC
emulator.
>>         I recently checked out the Bochs website, they've actually added
>> Pentium emulation.  It's progressed a lot in the past year.  Even though
>> Bochs and VMware accomplish the samething, VMware is much quicker than
>> Bochs since both use a different manner on emulation.  Bochs emulates the
>> entire CPU instruction, whereas VMware just hooks into your own.
>> Freemware could be the next big thing after Linux, IMO.
>
>$299 to make Linux and Win2000 easily accessible to the desktop at the
>same time is nothing for those multitudes of corporations out there that
>are looking to protect their Windows investment but move to a more
>stable, secure, and open platform.  $299 is peanuts. Many of these
>corporations measure their  IT annual budgets in the millions.  Even a
>single developer often measures her/his annual development budget
>between 500 - 1200.  Farewell OS/2.

The non-commercial (home user) license costs $99.

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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              13-Oct-99 17:13:05
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <bUAB4oHpvKjA092yn@visi.com>,
Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> wrote:
>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>Since Vmware gives you complete access to Windows 2000, NT, 95, 98,
>>Win31, MSDOS,
>
>I can have most of that anyway using my KVM switch and my LAN.  You are
>limiting yourself to one platform and not realizing (with today's cheap
>hardware prices) that superior (e.g., multi-box) solutions exist.  :-)
>
>In any case, a VMWare user would have to spend a lot of money on OS
>licenses in order to be able to run those, not so?

Yes, not so. Nobody is going to buy VMware without already having a
guest OS to run. That doesn't make any sense. It's $99 for a non-commercial
(home user) license for VMware. That allows you to create as many VMs
as you like so long as they're in VMware's "supported guest OS" list
which all of the above mentioned are.

>Linux is a good OS, and it will go places.  It *is* going places.  And
>there are things about it that are good.  But I personally think that
>your enthusiasm is
>
>   (1) somewhat unrealistic,
>
>   (2) nonapplicable to me (since I'm more than a little aware of the
>       capabilities of Linux and of VMWare, having both here myself),
>       and

I'm sorry, but you've already demonstrated confusion over the licensing
so I'm having difficulty with some of your comments. Are you trying to
say that you've done substantial experimenting with VMware and have
found problems? I don't doubt that problems will be found with something
so relatively new. I'm not baiting, but am genuinely interested in hearing
what problems anyone might have found.

>   (3) somewhat off-topic for this non-advocacy OS/2 newsgroup.
>
>Please continue this conversation in c.o.o.advocacy.

It is not off topic. The relative merits of keeping OS2 around vs. an
alternative approach are being discussed. Why wasn't this thread declared
"off topic" when it first surfaced? It's not as if the volume of this NG
is overwhelming news servers. Add people to your kill file if you don't
like what they say or simply skip over their posts.

>>I'm sorry my friends, OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no
>>longer can.  It running on fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.
>
>Ah, but it's still running comfortably here for me.  I will certainly
>let it go, but only when it ceases to do what I want it to do.

That's cool. But there may be OS/2 users who have reached the threshold
sooner and would like to hear about options.

Peter Stein
nbi@xnet.com

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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              13-Oct-99 17:16:28
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-btdtUtl6oTUq@localhost>,
William Sonna <wsonna@ibm.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:37:15, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
>Hong) wrote:
>
>> Bob Germer (bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com) wrote:
>> : On <3803C8C0.A7D14772@cc.ysu.edu>, on 10/12/99 at 07:48 PM,
>> :    Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> said:
>> 
>> : > OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no longer can.  It running on
>> : > fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.
>> 
>> : Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. You are already a
>> : huge asshole and don't need another one.
>> 
>> 	But his outcome will eventually be true.  I mean if IA-64 ever 
>> does make it to the general desktop market, then we are at a disadvantage 
>> since it won't run as quickly as a native IA-64 port of OS/2 would be.
>> 
>
>The point you seem to miss is that the troll is out recruiting in a 
>non-advocacy newsgroup.
>
>Its called SPAM.

Don't be an ass. Go back to the beginning of the thread and read the
posts (rather than jumping in with nothing than bs after the discussion
is well under way).

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From: andrie@attglobal.net                              12-Oct-99 22:05:21
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:24
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Hans Andrieáen" <andrie@attglobal.net>

Pierre Jelenc schrieb:

> I have an Adaptec AHA-2490AU now, and I want to add my old AVA-1502E to
> connect the scanner in order to take advantage of its ability to work
> without the scanner having been on during boot.
> 
> The card is supposed to be supported from the installation CD but
> Selective Install  says the directory is not valid. Where is the driver
> supposed to be?

In addition to James sugestions about IRQs, add to the CONFIG.SYS:
basedev=aic7870.add  <<< already exists for AHA2940x
basedev=aha152x.add  <<< for AHA/AVA 1502x

Set the IRQ for the AHA 1502x at BIOS to *used by isa* (or similar).

Bye/2
Hans

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From: dannygos2@aol.com                                 13-Oct-99 17:49:19
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 and CAD

From: Daniel <dannygos2@aol.com>


hamei wrote:
> 
> 
> In , michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de writes:
> >hamei@pacbell.net writes:
> >
> >> Visio has just released the source to IntelliCAD, free to non-commercial
> >> users. If some talented person could compile this and load it to Hobbes, 
> >> we'd have a modern OS/2 CAD program !!
> >
> >Unfortunately they use MFC. So you cannot simply recompile the
> >app. There was some discussion at the Odin-Team
> >(http://www.netlabs.org/odin). Maybe you want to help them?
> >
> 
> unfortunately  I'm a "Hello, World" programmer in C :-(
> would bringing sandwiches and pizza be a help ? can do that happily :-)
> 
> I think it's a great project, tho -- OS/2 has about thirty System Info
> utilities and File Managers, but zippo for useful CAD. If there were
> any portions a simpleton could help with, certainly.
> 
> >regards
> >-- 
> >Michael Holzapfel 
> 
> 
> --
> Hrad ngravvrd
> 
> 
Hi Mike,

I use AutoCAD Release 12 for Windows and AutoCAD 10 Dos both in OS/2. Well in
D

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             13-Oct-99 11:40:22
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: Intel SR440BX is also wrong 

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


"V.Kazimirchik" wrote:
> 
> Hello All.
> WolfgangHaas wrote:
> > I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> > Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> > unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> > i have worked with all BIOS features )
> I do have the same problem with Intel SR440BX board. windoze sees 128Mb,
> OS/2 - only 64. The option "64Mb: OS/2-nonOS/2" does not exist in BIOS
> setup.
> Intel support was notified (through their newsgroup), but didn't bother
> to reply...
> I've read the post here about Int15 support, so a question:
> Maybe something in BIOS (or OS/2 itself) may be "patched" ?

It is theoretically possible to patch OS/2 to correct this.  But it
would be much better, and simpler, if the BIOS were corrected.  Note
that this is not just an OS/2 problem.  This problem exists, in one form
or another, for every non-Windows operating system which uses the Intel
x86 hardware.  I suggest notifying your hardware vendor, repeatedly, if
necessary.  This is a very minor correction to the BIOS software.  By
way of history, I believe that the original use of INT 15h in x86
hardware was for the cassette tape drive on the original IBM PC so you
can see that the BIOS evolves.  Our job is to be the squeaky wheel that
gets the grease.

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                13-Oct-99 14:22:00
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Multimedia Folder

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

For some reason I don't have a Multimedia Folder on my desktop.  I
presume it's installed because I can play midi files, avi files,
etc. which I don't think could be done otherwise.  Is there any way
to rebuild the multimedia folder?  Or am I going to have to do the
entire selective install?
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: wahalla@bigfoot.com                               13-Oct-99 20:54:19
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Impos2 - Super Bildbeabeitung fuer OS/2 Warp

From: wahalla@bigfoot.com

http://www.eBay.de/servlet/auctiondetaildConnector?page=eineAuktion&auktionsID=
5661787&user=1367775&session=939840449791&

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From: rjfreem@ibm.net                                   13-Oct-99 12:30:17
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 16:43:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 and ATI Rage Fury AGP

From: rjfreem@ibm.net

In <7u20eb$kvq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 10/13/99 
   at 01:11 PM, Clemens Quoss <quoss@my-deja.com> said:
I am using an ATI Rage 3D (oem) until my G400 Max arrives. The display is
quite inferior to the Maxtrox Millenium PCI. RJF

>Hello,

>has anyone experience with the above combination?

>TIA

>Clemens


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>Before you buy.

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    13-Oct-99 19:40:05
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:20
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> 
> The chipset in a 2940xx (except xx= U2W) is an AIC7870 and the generic
> driver for all boards built on this chipset is AIC7870.ADD. 

OK, so that's good.
 
> AFAIK the 1502 is hardcoded to use IRQ 11 so you probably need to tell

The documentation says it's preset to 10, not 11, which I figured would
then work OK so I did not look at the jumpers. I'll do that after I shut
down. In any case, it can be set to IRQ 9, 10, 11, or 12.

> your BIOS to reserve that one as legacy/ISA and force the 2940 to a

In which order do the SCSI adapters load? What determines who's #0 and
who's #1?

> different setting that way. The driver for a 1502 should be AHA152X.ADD
> not the AHA154X.ADD that someone else quoted.

Yes, the selective install autodetect does highlight AHA152X.ADD, but then
it does not find it on the CD.

Aha! It's not in \IMAGES, it's in \IMAGES\DISK_1. Selective install was
looking in the wrong place.

I'll give it a try after I check the IRQ.

Maybe, just maybe getting there...

Pierre
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                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: benbowc@attglobal.net                             14-Oct-99 08:55:29
  To: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: Re: Rexx script to change multiple objects

To: Khairil Yusof <mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au>
From: Craig Benbow <benbowc@attglobal.net>

Check out the WPTool.  It can help do these sorts of things and comes with
instructions.  You could also take a look at http://www.lesbell.com.au
The address might not be 100%

Craig

Khairil Yusof wrote:

> I is it possible to change the object type for all files through a REXX
script?
>
> I've created an object type (MP3) that points to PM123. I don't like .mp3
> extensions and would like to convert all files/objects in a directory to be
> associated with PM123 or the object type (MP3).
>
> Can this be done easily?
>
> Thanks,
> Khairil

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From: cocke@ibm.net                                     13-Oct-99 16:30:29
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: Java / software choice question

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net>

I'm looking for the newest java runtime.  Do I really need to download 
the developers edition from software choice, or is there a runtime only 
that I can download from somewhere else?

Thanks!

Mike-


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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         13-Oct-99 20:17:08
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: problem creating utility disks

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

OS/2 Warp 4 FP10

I'd made some changes to the system so I wanted to make new utility
disks.  I'm thinking, "No problem, only took a little bit of time last
time."  So, instead of having to relabel a buncha disks (and then
having two versions floating around), I just formatted the old utility
disks and was going to use them to make the new disks.

I started the process and it finished the first disk (disk 0) and asked
for the second (disk 1).  I put it in and it started copying files.  It
got to a file and said it couldn't continue with the operation because
of an access error.  So I had to stop it.  I thought it was a simple
glitch, and tried starting over.  Did the same thing.  I tried
rebooting and making sure EVERYTHING was closed and tried again.  Same
thing.  I tried changing to a clean disk for the second disk.  Same
error.  When I get the registry info on the error the file mentioned
near the top is BOOTDISK.EXE.

I don't know what to do now.  Can someone please help? (I am looking
into bootos2, guess I'll do something with it earlier rather than
later?)

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           13-Oct-99 21:14:12
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: Re: Java / software choice question

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:30:58, Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net> wrote:

> I'm looking for the newest java runtime.  Do I really need to download 
> the developers edition from software choice, or is there a runtime only 
> that I can download from somewhere else?
> 

The Software Chioce download lets you download
ONLY the runtime if you want.

Lorne Sunley

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From: tstreet@excel.net                                 13-Oct-99 16:43:18
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: GRADD and a G400 card

From: tom <tstreet@excel.net>

Has anybody gotten GRADD drivers to work with a Matrox G400 card?

If so, which one and from where did you get it??

Frustrated...

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From: mc6530@mclink.it                                  13-Oct-99 21:10:29
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 19:52:21
Subj: Re: BA/2 support HP Colorado Travan 20GB?

From: mc6530@mclink.it (Yuri Dario)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:36:54, jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri) 
wrote:

> Does anyone know whether BA/2 supports HP Colorado Travan 20GB?

works fine here, the only problem is when reading old tapes: seems 
that without an IDX file it is quite hard to read a tape again. Simply
saving IDX files on another PC.

Bye,

	Yuri Dario

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 * member of TeamOS/2 - Italy
 * http://www.quasarbbs.com/yuri
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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                12-Oct-99 22:19:24
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:24
Subj: Re: Y2K fixpak

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 David T. Johnson wrote:

> The fixpaks do not update the TCP/IP.  For OS/2 v3, the following is the
> only fix you need to apply to the TCP/IP v2 that it shipped with in the
> Internet Access Kit.

> ftp://ps.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v2.0os2/un64092/

No. CSD level UN64092 is already included in Warp 3 IAK.

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          14-Oct-99 07:06:19
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: How to uninstall GRADD ?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

With GRADD 0.79 and 0.80 I botted to a blank screen with
my G400. Went straight back to the Matrox drivers. Looks
like I'll be pulling out my Hauppauge card and selling it
unless the drivers licenced from SDD by IBM work.

Cheers

Wayne


On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:58:02 -0400, tom wrote:

:>
:>
:>Wayne Bickell wrote:
:>
:>> You have to revert your system back to VGA by typing
:>> SETVGA at a command prompt or hitting Alt-F1 at the
:>> OS/2 blob and selecting F3 (I think) I tried SDD beta 7
:>> and wanted to reinstall my Matrox drivers (G-400) The
:>> Matrox readme says you can reinstall from the MGA
:>> directory but that didn't work for me. I had to reinstall
:>> from the unzipped archive. I've never found a way of
:>> removing the installed GRADD components though
:>> from GRADD 0.79.
:>>
:>> Cheers
:>>
:>> Wayne
:>
:>I just installed a G400 card and tried the GRADD 8 again andmy system won't
boot at
:>all. The new problem with the card is
:>the greyed out areas of windoze-OS2 I get colored lines
:>instead of the icon.
:>
:>Tom
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: void@nospam.demon.nl                              12-Oct-99 23:16:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: Where are the fonts?

From: huug <void@nospam.demon.nl>

>>>>> "hamei" == hamei  <hamei@pacbell.net> writes:

hamei> In <c1.2b8.2SMVv1$0IP@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe
hamei> Kovacs) writes:
hamei> there's also something called Display PostScript, which uses
hamei> postscript fonts for display also - true WYSIWYG ! and now
hamei> Display GhostScript . . .  wonder if this could be OS/2'ed ?

Maybe. It needs a DGS capable GhostScript, so as long as OS/2
GhostScript stays current, it should be possible.  But what are you
gonna do with it?  The FSF project it is needed for (GNUStep) is years
from completion, and I doubt that it will ever be ported to OS/2: there
are no Objective C programmers here.  And besides, we already have a
Desktop: IBM licensed that NeXtStep technology when it was designing the
Work Place Shell around '91; so until '02 or so we'll only have MacOS X
to watch.

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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        13-Oct-99 21:45:02
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: BA/2 support HP Colorado Travan 20GB?

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:36:54, jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri) wrote:
> Does anyone know whether BA/2 supports HP Colorado Travan 20GB?

Thanx for the replies Stan and Yuri, I have ordered the bundle (Netfinity 3000
+ HP Colorado and more) now. I just now also got a reply from CDS:

>Dear Jan,
>Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.  Yes, Back Again/2 for OS/2 will 
support
>the HP Colorado Travan 20GB tape drive.
>Thank you
>Regards,
>Nikki Elward

regards,
Jan

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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            13-Oct-99 17:54:10
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: AOpen AW37 Pro.

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

Does anyone know where I can pick up an AOpen AW37 PRO ISA sound card 
in Calgary?

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     13-Oct-99 23:47:04
  To: All                                               13-Oct-99 21:24:25
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 13 Oct 1999 19:40:11 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

->> AFAIK the 1502 is hardcoded to use IRQ 11 so you probably need to tell
->
->The documentation says it's preset to 10, not 11, which I figured would
->then work OK so I did not look at the jumpers. I'll do that after I shut
->down. In any case, it can be set to IRQ 9, 10, 11, or 12.

Whichever one it is set to will probably need to be reserved in the BIOS
setup. I doubt if an ISA card will inform the BIOS that it is using a
particular resource so, unless you mark it reserved, it stands a chance of
being assigned elsewhere too.

->> your BIOS to reserve that one as legacy/ISA and force the 2940 to a
->
->In which order do the SCSI adapters load? What determines who's #0 and
->who's #1?

The order of the BASEDEV lines in CONFIG.SYS if the extension is the same
(ie, all ADD drivers).

->> different setting that way. The driver for a 1502 should be AHA152X.ADD
->> not the AHA154X.ADD that someone else quoted.
->
->Yes, the selective install autodetect does highlight AHA152X.ADD, but then
->it does not find it on the CD.

It's probably already in \os2\boot and just needs a basedev added for it.

I may be a little erratic in replying for a while since I'm about to move
house tomorrow. For the next two or three weeks I shall be commuting
between new<->old and will probably have a bunch of stuff to do.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: swaugh1@attglobal.net                             13-Oct-99 19:07:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: GRADD and a G400 card

From: Scott <swaugh1@attglobal.net>

Just on the off chance you were looking for drivers in general here's
the latest from Matrox:
http://www.matrox.com/mga/drivers/unified_drivers/g400_os2.htm
Good luck looking for a new GRADD...
tom wrote:

> Has anybody gotten GRADD drivers to work with a Matrox G400 card?
>
> If so, which one and from where did you get it??
>
> Frustrated...

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          14-Oct-99 00:07:05
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: Where are the fonts?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:16:09, huug <void@nospam.demon.nl> a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> >>>>> "hamei" == hamei  <hamei@pacbell.net> writes:
> 
> hamei> In <c1.2b8.2SMVv1$0IP@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe
> hamei> Kovacs) writes:
> hamei> there's also something called Display PostScript, which uses
> hamei> postscript fonts for display also - true WYSIWYG ! and now
> hamei> Display GhostScript . . .  wonder if this could be OS/2'ed ?
> 
> Maybe. It needs a DGS capable GhostScript, so as long as OS/2
> GhostScript stays current, it should be possible.  But what are you
> gonna do with it?  The FSF project it is needed for (GNUStep) is years
> from completion, and I doubt that it will ever be ported to OS/2: there
> are no Objective C programmers here.  And besides, we already have a
> Desktop: IBM licensed that NeXtStep technology when it was designing the
> Work Place Shell around '91; so until '02 or so we'll only have MacOS X
> to watch.

An interesting additional reference to this general line of discussion 
comes over from comp.fonts:

	http://www.pdfzone.com/rich/index.html

Tha author, Rich Sprague, is a working printer who has taken a lot of 
interest in the subject of fonts in PDFs, especially Acrobat 4 problems.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               13-Oct-99 15:47:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: problem creating utility disks

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Most people get a TRAP screen there. Anyway, FP 10 will not work for
you, you'll need to install FP 12 to get the updated BOOTDISK.EXE that
can create the Utility diskettes.

Irv

Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> 
> OS/2 Warp 4 FP10
> 
> I'd made some changes to the system so I wanted to make new utility
> disks.  I'm thinking, "No problem, only took a little bit of time last
> time."  So, instead of having to relabel a buncha disks (and then
> having two versions floating around), I just formatted the old utility
> disks and was going to use them to make the new disks.
> 
> I started the process and it finished the first disk (disk 0) and asked
> for the second (disk 1).  I put it in and it started copying files.  It
> got to a file and said it couldn't continue with the operation because
> of an access error.  So I had to stop it.  I thought it was a simple
> glitch, and tried starting over.  Did the same thing.  I tried
> rebooting and making sure EVERYTHING was closed and tried again.  Same
> thing.  I tried changing to a clean disk for the second disk.  Same
> error.  When I get the registry info on the error the file mentioned
> near the top is BOOTDISK.EXE.
> 
> I don't know what to do now.  Can someone please help? (I am looking
> into bootos2, guess I'll do something with it earlier rather than
> later?)
> 
> --
> Siobhan Perricone
> PC Technician
> Alltel Information Services
> (I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               13-Oct-99 15:51:08
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: FP 12

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Alex, if you can't 'read' your harddisk, you might not be able to read
the hard disk and do a back out. I'd try CHKDSK, and assume you ran
CHKDSK before you even applied the FP.

Irv

Alex Blair wrote:
> 
> Had problems with with my system after applying FP 12 (I have been running
> with FP 10). I am now having trouble trying to back out to FP10 level that I
> have archived.
> 
> Since I cannot boot to WPS, I have tried to use FSERVICE with a modified
> response file, run from a floppy (it refuses to run from the hard disk,
> giving me a message that the directory where the CS 1.41 (cs_41.exe) files
> have been stored is not valid).  When run from the floppy, I am prompted for
> CSD disk #1. Why would it request CSD disk #1 ? Doesn't the CS 1.41 package
> contain all I need ? If not, what & where can I find the necessary files.
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Alex Blair

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               13-Oct-99 15:49:22
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: FP 12

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

The answer is 'POOR CODE'! It is 'stupid' and goes through looking for a
bunch of files and information, before it puts up a screen showing you
what it can apply to (that is why is needed the first diskette of a
FixPak), and on that screen you can select options and then backout...
Dumb code.

Irv

hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
> 
> In <noynvevozarg.fjhk2t0.pminews@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, "Alex Blair"
<ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not> writes:
> >Had problems with with my system after applying FP 12 (I have been running
> >with FP 10). I am now having trouble trying to back out to FP10 level that
I
> >have archived.
> >
> >Since I cannot boot to WPS, I have tried to use FSERVICE with a modified
> >response file, run from a floppy (it refuses to run from the hard disk,
> >giving me a message that the directory where the CS 1.41 (cs_41.exe) files
> >have been stored is not valid).  When run from the floppy, I am prompted
for
> >CSD disk #1. Why would it request CSD disk #1 ? Doesn't the CS 1.41 package
> >contain all I need ? If not, what & where can I find the necessary files.
> 
> I *think* it is asking for the CSD disks from floppy . . . oooh, fun. I've
had
> a lot better luck using DIUNPACK and Service from the hard drive -- modified
> response files and Voodoo have a lot in common, IMO.  For sure there's a
logical
> reason the readme calls for for sacrificing a goat before attempting a
response
> file fixpack install, but . . .
> 
> >
> >Any help is appreciated.
> >
> >Alex Blair
> >
> 
> --
> Hÿrad ÿngravvÿrd

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From: webmaster@gfree.net                               13-Oct-99 20:55:01
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: .sam files

From: ManicMechanic <webmaster@gfree.net>

Can anybody help me here? I ran across these .sam files on an OS/2
system we picked up at a buisness we bought. I looked at them from an
editor and they look like a form or tutorial of some sort. Any idea
how I can find out what they are or what software will read them?

Thanks

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                13-Oct-99 20:04:04
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Epson Stylus COLOR 440 Printer

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

There was quite a thread on here a while back about this printer
and the availability of a driver for it.  I tried all the
suggestions from folks who said they had it working, but to no
avail.

IBM has updated the OMNI driver to specifically include this
printer.  I donwloaded it today and it is working just fine.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: heloman@my-deja.com                               14-Oct-99 01:01:18
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: heloman@my-deja.com

I recently changed from a 1.2 g drive to a 9.1 g drive. In the
previous drive all of the partitions (logical) were less than
1g. Now, on the new drive the two partitons that I wanted to
store the data and programs on are about 4g and 3g respectively.
I have a windows program made by Caere that worked fine under
Win/OS2 but now when I ask it to scan it says there is not
enough room on the drive. Impossible since the partition is now
4g. Another program gives the programs/directories on any
particular hard drive. On the two partitons less 1g it works
fine on the other two, it produces a runtime error. Is there
something particular about older windows and dos programs that
make theme act peculiar when installed/placed on partitions
larger than 1g? I didn't think there would be this problem or
the programs would care where they were located. Is there any
way to 'fake' them out to believe they are where they need to
be? I await any and all responses and thank anyone for their
help.....


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    14-Oct-99 01:12:19
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:56, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein) 
wrote:

> In article <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-btdtUtl6oTUq@localhost>,
> William Sonna <wsonna@ibm.net> wrote:
> >On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:37:15, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
> >Hong) wrote:
> >
> >> Bob Germer (bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com) wrote:
> >> : On <3803C8C0.A7D14772@cc.ysu.edu>, on 10/12/99 at 07:48 PM,
> >> :    Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> said:
> >> 
> >> : > OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no longer can.  It running
on
> >> : > fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.
> >> 
> >> : Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. You are already
a
> >> : huge asshole and don't need another one.
> >> 
> >> 	But his outcome will eventually be true.  I mean if IA-64 ever 
> >> does make it to the general desktop market, then we are at a disadvantage 

> >> since it won't run as quickly as a native IA-64 port of OS/2 would be.
> >> 
> >
> >The point you seem to miss is that the troll is out recruiting in a 
> >non-advocacy newsgroup.
> >
> >Its called SPAM.
> 
> Don't be an ass. Go back to the beginning of the thread and read the
> posts (rather than jumping in with nothing than bs after the discussion
> is well under way).
>
 
If you want to carry on an "I Love Linux" discussion, why pollute this
newsgroup with it?

This has traditionally been a problem-solving rather than evangelizing
forum, and often provides the technical information and support for 
OS/2  that IBM no longer provides.  It is an extremely valuable 
resource to those of us who have more pressing problems than anxiety 
fits over whether IBM loves us enough.

But it won't stay that way if individuals such as yourself and Mr 
(Linux is) Wonderful start spamming it with advocacy.

So by all means, KEEP THOSE JAWS A FLAPPIN !!!  In the right place - 
of course.  My recommendations:

For "Linux Rulez - it runs everything ever written and my 'puter never
even THINKS of crashing" pap,   "comp.os.linux.advocacy" has gotta be 
tops.

For bare-knuckled IBM bashing, you can't beat "comp.os.os2.advocacy". 
There are people there who's ENTIRE LIVES AND CAREERS have been 
DESTROYED by IBM's exit from the SOHO market!  Its so sad it makes the
Titanic look like a carnival pony ride and they NEVER pass up an 
opportunity to moan about it!

Happy Trails.

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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  13-Oct-99 19:33:11
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: .sam files

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

*.sam was used by Lotus AmiPro.  You should be able to read them with
Lotus WordPro or Star Office.  There may be other word processing
software that can import them as well.

ManicMechanic wrote:
> 
> Can anybody help me here? I ran across these .sam files on an OS/2
> system we picked up at a buisness we bought. I looked at them from an
> editor and they look like a form or tutorial of some sort. Any idea
> how I can find out what they are or what software will read them?
> 
> Thanks

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      14-Oct-99 03:43:23
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Peter Stein [Suburban Robots That Monitor Reality] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ >I can have most of that anyway using my KVM switch and my LAN.  You are
¯ >limiting yourself to one platform and not realizing (with today's cheap
¯ >hardware prices) that superior (e.g., multi-box) solutions exist.  :-)
¯ >
¯ >In any case, a VMWare user would have to spend a lot of money on OS
¯ >licenses in order to be able to run those, not so?
¯ 
¯ Yes, not so. Nobody is going to buy VMware without already having a
¯ guest OS to run. That doesn't make any sense. It's $99 for a non-commercial
¯ (home user) license for VMware. That allows you to create as many VMs
¯ as you like so long as they're in VMware's "supported guest OS" list
¯ which all of the above mentioned are.

As usual I'm not that interested in entering the normal "OS/2 vs Linux vs NT
vs xxx"-debate, but I must step in here and say that I absolutely agree 100%.

I think VMware is a way cool and a really useful piece of software.

Not everyone can afford the time or money to host several machines with a
system each just to be able to use multiple OS concurrently (and in which case
you *still* need all the OS licenses if you want to be legal). 

Compared to go with the suggested multiple PC alternative (one for each OS) I
think $99 for a home user who needs that functionality is a rather cheap and
affordable solution if not 100% performance is needed.

In the regard to the discussion if this will benefit some OS/2 users I think
it absolutely positively can: 

If a user don't consider taking down and restarting the whole system just to
access different applications is any real option to use daily, the type of
software like VMware could mean that instead of ditching OS/2 to not be used
frequently (or at all), it can continue to be run under Linux, NT4 or Win2000.

VMware gives OS/2 users *more* options to be able to continue to use OS/2
daily, including for software development (makes it easier for developers to
both develop and test cross platform applications), which very likely will
benefit also the "OS/2 only" users who can get more software to choose from.

Sorry if I sound like a VMware salesman, but IMO: it's a really great thing.

[ I also apologize if anyone consider this to be off topic for thread/group ]

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    14-Oct-99 01:48:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

heloman@my-deja.com <heloman@my-deja.com> wrote:

>fine on the other two, it produces a runtime error. Is there
>something particular about older windows and dos programs that
>make theme act peculiar when installed/placed on partitions
>larger than 1g?

It's not specifically a Windows problem.  It's an arithmetic
overflow, it occurs in a lot of older software, and it happens
because the original programmers never expected to have to deal
with such large numbers.  (Also, the world seems to be filled with
crazy programmers who insist on using _signed_ arithmetic to
calculate file sizes ... but that's a different rant.)

The simplest workaround is to create a large temporary file that
uses up most of your unused disk space, so that the amount of free
space drops to below 1 Gb.  You can later delete the temporary file
when you start running out of space.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: nospam@nowhere.com                                14-Oct-99 01:58:20
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: nospam@nowhere.com  (Steve Myers)

Yes.  The problem is the number of bytes in the partition is > than
2147484647 (0x7fffffff).  This is the limit size for a FAT partition.

When a DOS program requests abailable free space for a drive, it receives
the following data, all of it at 16 bit values:

- total clusters
- available clusters
- sectors per cluster
- bytes per sector

In a FAT partition, total clusters * sectors per cluster * bytes per sector
will always be a valid signed 31 bit number.  In an HPFS partition with
more than 2 gig, though, OS/2 makes the numbers larger, mainly by making
sectors per cluster greater than the DOS limit.  Since we're not limited
to 32 bits when multiplying by hand, it does not represent a problem, but
a program using signed long numbers is going to get very confused.

The resolution is to used 2 gig partitions, though I doubt that's the
answer you want to hear.

This problem exists in at least some OS/2 programs.  Lotus Notes 3, for
example, refused to play in a 2 1/2 gig partition.

-- Steve Myers

The E-mail addresses in this message are private property.  Any use of them
to  send  unsolicited  E-mail  messages  of  a  commerical  nature  will be
considered trespassing,  and the originator of the message will be  sued in
small claims court in Camden County,  New Jersey,  for the  maximum penalty
allowed by law.

In <7u3a1a$kvj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, heloman@my-deja.com writes:
>I recently changed from a 1.2 g drive to a 9.1 g drive. In the
>previous drive all of the partitions (logical) were less than
>1g. Now, on the new drive the two partitons that I wanted to
>store the data and programs on are about 4g and 3g respectively.
>I have a windows program made by Caere that worked fine under
>Win/OS2 but now when I ask it to scan it says there is not
>enough room on the drive. Impossible since the partition is now
>4g. Another program gives the programs/directories on any
>particular hard drive. On the two partitons less 1g it works
>fine on the other two, it produces a runtime error. Is there
>something particular about older windows and dos programs that
>make theme act peculiar when installed/placed on partitions
>larger than 1g? I didn't think there would be this problem or
>the programs would care where they were located. Is there any
>way to 'fake' them out to believe they are where they need to
>be? I await any and all responses and thank anyone for their
>help.....
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.

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From: qevfdv@eggman-network.hypermart.net               14-Oct-99 02:01:06
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:07
Subj: Stop others from using your computer!!!  1654

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From: geishan@ozemail.com.au                            14-Oct-99 13:16:15
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: os2 as cleint to linux samba really slow compared to win95

From: Sean Hennessy - Geishan <geishan@ozemail.com.au>

I'm in the act of setting up a small network (7 stations) to replace an
os/2 peer server with linuxand samba.  The workstations are mainly os/2
but with 2 win machines(1 95; 1 NT).

Problem.
current access for a particular page:
    using os/2 server = 3.5 secs - All machines
    using Samba = 3 secs windows   = 22 secs OS/2

Now 22 secs is just a little bit on the slowwww side.

This reeks of an adjustment somewhere, but I'm just not cluey enough to
know what it is.


Can someone please HHEEELLLLPPPPPP.

TIA

Sean Hennessy

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             13-Oct-99 20:10:27
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: Multimedia Folder

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:22:01 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:

>For some reason I don't have a Multimedia Folder on my desktop.  I
>presume it's installed because I can play midi files, avi files,
>etc. which I don't think could be done otherwise.  Is there any way
>to rebuild the multimedia folder?  Or am I going to have to do the
>entire selective install?

Look in OS/2 System > System Setup. MM was integrated into the base OS
back in FP6 or some such.


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From: derwin@airmail.net                                13-Oct-99 21:47:24
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

heloman@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> I recently changed from a 1.2 g drive to a 9.1 g drive. In the
> previous drive all of the partitions (logical) were less than
> 1g. Now, on the new drive the two partitons that I wanted to
> store the data and programs on are about 4g and 3g respectively.
> I have a windows program made by Caere that worked fine under
> Win/OS2 but now when I ask it to scan it says there is not
> enough room on the drive. Impossible since the partition is now
> 4g. Another program gives the programs/directories on any
> particular hard drive. On the two partitons less 1g it works
> fine on the other two, it produces a runtime error. Is there
> something particular about older windows and dos programs that
> make theme act peculiar when installed/placed on partitions
> larger than 1g? I didn't think there would be this problem or
> the programs would care where they were located. Is there any
> way to 'fake' them out to believe they are where they need to
> be? I await any and all responses and thank anyone for their
> help.....
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

I wish I knew the answer.  I have the same problem.  I can't install
Partition Magic because the install program says there is not enough
space on the drive even though there's over 6GB of free space.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: solune@netaxs.com                                 14-Oct-99 02:58:02
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Savage 3d S3 video card.

From: solune@netaxs.com

Hi, 

I recently got a new 'puter that came w/ an Aztech System's VGS3D 
video card based on the S3 savage3d video chip.

Well, i found the most recent drivers, but encountered a problem w/ 
the drop lists in my Wordpro96 word processor. The lists wouldn't 
display properly.

I tried the less recent version of S3's driver that cured the 
drop-list problem, but got an "out of stack space" error message while
running a graphics program (screensaver, displaying a slide show)

then the least recent driver available on Hobbes which wouldn't let me
change display size from 640x480 to 800x600 (let alone pixel depth).

any solutions to this dilema?

Failing that, what is a good, SOLID AGP video card for OS/2? I'd 
prefer one with about 8 megs v-ram, and acceleration, though money is 
tight.

Thanks, 

Pete.

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             13-Oct-99 20:07:21
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: JAVAINRT.EXE: cannot find FISETUP directory

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On 13 Oct 1999 09:27:35 EDT, fledermaus wrote:

>I keep getting java errors so decided to upgrade run-time but cannot
>install it: requires some FEATURE INSTALL software which I cannot find.
>OS/2 Warp4 FP11.
>"
Get Feature Installer 1.25 on Software Choice. And READ the docs on
installing FI.


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From: tjerick@ibm.net                                   14-Oct-99 03:15:20
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: AOpen AW37 Pro.

From: tjerick@ibm.net (Tim Erickson)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:54:21, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) 
wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can pick up an AOpen AW37 PRO ISA sound card 
> in Calgary?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

Check and see if there is an OANet in Cowtown. I was able to get an 
AOpen here in Edmonchuk.

Tim

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                13-Oct-99 22:39:03
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: Multimedia Folder

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Doug Darrow wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:22:01 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> >For some reason I don't have a Multimedia Folder on my desktop.  I
> >presume it's installed because I can play midi files, avi files,
> >etc. which I don't think could be done otherwise.  Is there any way
> >to rebuild the multimedia folder?  Or am I going to have to do the
> >entire selective install?
> 
> Look in OS/2 System > System Setup. MM was integrated into the base OS
> back in FP6 or some such.

I found an object there called Multimedia Setup which opens a notebook
of settings, but I'm looking for a folder that has the objects in it
for the midi player, cd player, etc.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 13-Oct-99 23:26:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)
spake unto us, saying:

>In article <bUAB4oHpvKjA092yn@visi.com>,
>Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> wrote:
>
>>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>
>>spake unto us, saying:
>>
>>>Since Vmware gives you complete access to Windows 2000, NT, 95, 98,
>>>Win31, MSDOS,
>>
>>In any case, a VMWare user would have to spend a lot of money on OS
>>licenses in order to be able to run those, not so?
>
>Yes, not so. Nobody is going to buy VMware without already having a
>guest OS to run.

Sure, but you were listing several different Windows flavors above and
seeming to hint at concurrent use.

If that wasn't your intention, I stand (well, sit) corrected, as one is
extremely likely to have at least one copy of Windows bundled on one's
PC already, which means that VMWare will allow a home user to run that
copy of Windows in a VM under Linux for $99 (the cost of VMWare).

If it was your intention to say that it gives you access to all those
OSes concurrently, then I'll stand by my previous comments: that doing
so is technically correct, but it would also be fairly expensive to do
because you'd still have to buy valid licenses for everything you don't
already have.  That's a lot of $$ on top of the $99 for VMWare.  :-)

You're right that VMWare is flexible.  It's a very good solution for
many types of things.  Not for gaming yes, unfortunately (mainly due
to a lack of serious DirectX support), but the various apps I played
with in my VMWare+Win95 setup under RH 5.1 seemed to work fine while
I was playing with the Linux betas.  I've had the final version here
for some time, but I've still not installed it, and I see 1.1 is out
so I might as well install that one instead.

>That doesn't make any sense. It's $99 for a non-commercial (home user)
>license for VMware. That allows you to create as many VMs as you like
>so long as they're in VMware's "supported guest OS" list which all of
>the above mentioned are.

It was $75 when I purchased a copy for Linux just after the beta, and
you are absolutely correct, as long as you have legal OS licenses for
all of the operating systems you want to run in VMWare.

Of course, you could also simply run multiple copies of the same OS in
different VMs concurrently, but I'm not sure I'd do that in a business
context without consulting with the legal department first.

>>Linux is a good OS, and it will go places.  It *is* going places.  And
>>there are things about it that are good.  But I personally think that
>>your enthusiasm is
>>
>>   (1) somewhat unrealistic,
>>
>>   (2) nonapplicable to me (since I'm more than a little aware of the
>>       capabilities of Linux and of VMWare, having both here myself),
>>       and
>
>I'm sorry, but you've already demonstrated confusion over the licensing
>so I'm having difficulty with some of your comments.

No, I think it's more a misunderstanding about the cost of running the
entire list of OSes you mentioned on a single machine.  It has nothing
to do with VMWare's licensing at all (that is simple and inexpensive).

>>Please continue this conversation in c.o.o.advocacy.
>
>It is not off topic. The relative merits of keeping OS2 around vs. an
>alternative approach are being discussed.

Yes, and such comparisons are precisely what the comp.os.*.advocacy
newsgroups are all about.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                        Are we having fun yet?

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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   14-Oct-99 01:45:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <7tvfmn$e89$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, on 10/12/99 
   at 02:13 PM, frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney) said:


> [ Followups set to comp.os.os2.setup.misc to reduce crossposting ]

>In <7tved8$rpo$1@news.panix.com>, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)
>writes: >James Moe  <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>     Just make sure there is a free IRQ for each adapter.
>>
>>I thought I did but I wonder now:
>>
>> IRQ Level =  0  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
>> IRQ Level =  1  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard Controller
>> IRQ Level =  2  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
>> IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_1 Serial Controller
>> IRQ Level =  3  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_2 Serial Controller
>> IRQ Level =  4  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0 Serial Controller
>> IRQ Level =  5  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUDIO_0 ESS AudioDrive
>> IRQ Level =  6  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy Controller
>> IRQ Level =  8  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
>> IRQ Level = 11  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
>> IRQ Level = 12  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary Device Controller
>> IRQ Level = 14  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller
>>
>>Except I don't see either of them! What is this "Adaptec AIC7870"? My two
>>cards are an AHA 2940AU, which works, and an AVA 1502E which does not
>>(that's the one I'm trying to load a driver for).

>Pierre,

>The AIC7870 is one of Adaptec's SCSI chipsets, one found in various
>Adaptec cards (and used by my A.I.R.  motherboard as well).

>If IRQ15 isn't locked into your motherboard's IDE support, it's 
>available, as are (possibly) IRQ9 and IRQ10. You may need to play with 
>your system's CMOS Setup to make sure the IRQ you choose is available
>to the ISA bus).

>I use the word "possibly" above because nothing is certain (;-). 
>RMVIEW only reports back what Resource Manager-aware drivers report to
>it - a driver that doesn't tell the OS/2 Resource Manager that the
>driver plans to use (say) IRQ15 can still use the IRQ, but RMVIEW won't
>report it ("Hey!  Nobody told ME!").  Since RM was introduced in Warp
>(3.0), any pre-3.0 driver fits this description; unfortunately, I
>understand it's also true for some post-3.0 drivers (sigh).

Not so.  RMVIEW does report it, but not with the /irq option, as it
would be reasonable to expect. Instead, try rmview /d  . Then search the
output for "irq", and I think every device claiming one  will show up.
Dunno why. ..
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    14-Oct-99 06:11:12
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 03:59:08
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Harry Travis <htravis@ibm.net> writes:
> 
> Not so.  RMVIEW does report it, but not with the /irq option, as it
> would be reasonable to expect. Instead, try rmview /d  . Then search the
> output for "irq", and I think every device claiming one  will show up.
> Dunno why. ..

I don't see anything claining IRQ 10, which is what the card is set for.

The driver is seen to load with Alt-F2 just after the driver for the other
SCSI card, but somehow there's no trace of it after the boot.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    14-Oct-99 06:19:24
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:08
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> 
> Whichever one it is set to will probably need to be reserved in the BIOS
> setup. I doubt if an ISA card will inform the BIOS that it is using a
> particular resource so, unless you mark it reserved, it stands a chance of
> being assigned elsewhere too.

The jumper was indeed set for IRQ 10 as describe in the docs.

I went into the BIOS setup, but I did not see any mention of reserving an
IRQ. How is that done?

> The order of the BASEDEV lines in CONFIG.SYS if the extension is the same
> (ie, all ADD drivers).

OK, they are in the right order, then.

> It's probably already in \os2\boot and just needs a basedev added for it.

Indeed it was, with a whole bunch of others. Does the installation put 
all those unused drivers there all the time? It seems to be a serious
waste of space.

> I may be a little erratic in replying for a while since I'm about to move
> house tomorrow. 

You have my sympathy! I did that 3 months ago and still have not found
quite a few things I thought I had packed logically...

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    14-Oct-99 06:21:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:09
Subj: Re: multiple SCSI adapters

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Hans Andrießen <andrie@attglobal.net> writes:
> 
> In addition to James sugestions about IRQs, add to the CONFIG.SYS:
> basedev=aic7870.add  <<< already exists for AHA2940x
> basedev=aha152x.add  <<< for AHA/AVA 1502x

Done.

> Set the IRQ for the AHA 1502x at BIOS to *used by isa* (or similar).

How is that done? I don't see an IRQ section in the BIOS setup screens.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 13-Oct-99 21:35:03
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:09
Subj: Re: OS/2 and CAD

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Daniel wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I use AutoCAD Release 12 for Windows and AutoCAD 10 Dos both in OS/2. Well
in D

Then there is BlueCAD (Find it at OS2.org -> softwhere)
It is native!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            14-Oct-99 08:31:11
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 05:36:09
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

The answer is to create a temporary file to use up the excess space so the
install program will work, and then delete it. There is a utility out there
somewhere to do it.

Regards,
Tim

Steve Myers wrote:

> Yes.  The problem is the number of bytes in the partition is > than
> 2147484647 (0x7fffffff).  This is the limit size for a FAT partition.
>
> When a DOS program requests abailable free space for a drive, it receives
> the following data, all of it at 16 bit values:
>
> - total clusters
> - available clusters
> - sectors per cluster
> - bytes per sector
>
> In a FAT partition, total clusters * sectors per cluster * bytes per sector
> will always be a valid signed 31 bit number.  In an HPFS partition with
> more than 2 gig, though, OS/2 makes the numbers larger, mainly by making
> sectors per cluster greater than the DOS limit.  Since we're not limited
> to 32 bits when multiplying by hand, it does not represent a problem, but
> a program using signed long numbers is going to get very confused.
>
> The resolution is to used 2 gig partitions, though I doubt that's the
> answer you want to hear.
>
> This problem exists in at least some OS/2 programs.  Lotus Notes 3, for
> example, refused to play in a 2 1/2 gig partition.
>
> -- Steve Myers
>
> The E-mail addresses in this message are private property.  Any use of them
> to  send  unsolicited  E-mail  messages  of  a  commerical  nature  will be
> considered trespassing,  and the originator of the message will be  sued in
> small claims court in Camden County,  New Jersey,  for the  maximum penalty
> allowed by law.
>
> In <7u3a1a$kvj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, heloman@my-deja.com writes:
> >I recently changed from a 1.2 g drive to a 9.1 g drive. In the
> >previous drive all of the partitions (logical) were less than
> >1g. Now, on the new drive the two partitons that I wanted to
> >store the data and programs on are about 4g and 3g respectively.
> >I have a windows program made by Caere that worked fine under
> >Win/OS2 but now when I ask it to scan it says there is not
> >enough room on the drive. Impossible since the partition is now
> >4g. Another program gives the programs/directories on any
> >particular hard drive. On the two partitons less 1g it works
> >fine on the other two, it produces a runtime error. Is there
> >something particular about older windows and dos programs that
> >make theme act peculiar when installed/placed on partitions
> >larger than 1g? I didn't think there would be this problem or
> >the programs would care where they were located. Is there any
> >way to 'fake' them out to believe they are where they need to
> >be? I await any and all responses and thank anyone for their
> >help.....
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 14-Oct-99 07:52:27
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Problem with OS2CDROM.DMD in FixPack 12

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <c1.01.2STM2K$0BB@hamei.pacbell.net>, hamei@pacbell.net writes:
>In <37fecf68$1$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>, Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> writes:
>
>>Folks, I have discovered and solved a nettlesome little problem with
>>FixPack 12 on my system. 
>>
>snipped
>>
>>Here is the problem with OS2CDROM.DMD. The SCSI CD drive cannot read disks
>>made on the CDRW. It will read ones bought with hardware, etc., but not
>>ones made here or on other machines. The problem existed whether RSJ's
>>drivers were loaded or not loaded.
>>
>
>Uh-oh, spaghetti-ohs . . . . same problem with IDE CD-ROM drives.  FP 42 Warp 

>Server SMP cannot read home-made CD-R discs, either. No problem with factory 
>CD's. Worked fine at fp 39. IBM Intellistation Z-Pro.
>
>

I take it back -- turned out to be the first symptom of a CD-ROM headed 
south for the winter. First, home-made CD's wouldn't read, then factory ones, 
then an impressive display of flames accompanied by clouds of smoke and loud
crunching noises. Probably irradiated the hamster colony living under the desk
intended for a source of emergency back-up power as well . . . 


>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
>>Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
>>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
>>MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
>>Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd


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From: v_kazimirchik@yahoo.com                           14-Oct-99 13:52:04
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Intel SR440BX is also wrong 

From: "V.Kazimirchik" <v_kazimirchik@yahoo.com>

Hello.
"David T. Johnson" wrote:
> It is theoretically possible to patch OS/2 to correct this.  But it
> would be much better, and simpler, if the BIOS were corrected.  Note
> that this is not just an OS/2 problem.
Guys from Intel seem to ignore non-windoze questions.

>  This problem exists, in one form
> or another, for every non-Windows operating system which uses the Intel
> x86 hardware.  I suggest notifying your hardware vendor, repeatedly, if
> necessary.
Unfortunately, here in Russia it's useless.

> This is a very minor correction to the BIOS software.
Anyone knows, where exactly? Maybe there is some byte sequence to
look for?

>  By way of history, I believe that the original use of INT 15h in x86
> hardware was for the cassette tape drive on the original IBM PC so you
> can see that the BIOS evolves.  Our job is to be the squeaky wheel that
> gets the grease.
Yes, today I posted my problem into intel.motherboards.pentium_ii
conference
(it's the second time during the last week). Guys from Intel support are
seen there answering questions...not mine.
-- 
Regards, Vladimir (http://i.am/kzm, mailto:v_kazimirchik@yahoo.com)

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    14-Oct-99 05:54:12
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <slrn80adju.1u.peter@eepjm.newcastle.edu.au>,
peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) wrote:

>It's not specifically a Windows problem.  It's an arithmetic
>overflow, it occurs in a lot of older software, and it happens
>because the original programmers never expected to have to deal
>with such large numbers.  (Also, the world seems to be filled with
>crazy programmers who insist on using _signed_ arithmetic to
>calculate file sizes ... but that's a different rant.)

I guess they want to be able to handle files with negative sizes. 
They take up a *LOT* less disk space.  ;-)


-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                14-Oct-99 13:27:08
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

Try 2GBFIX.COM, it works OK for me.  I have added the line 
C:\OS2\MDOS\2gbfix.com 
to my autoexec.bat, placed the file in \os2\mdos, and all is well. 
Look in
Hobbes, it should be there.  
Good luck!


On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:01:37 GMT, heloman@my-deja.com wrote:

>I recently changed from a 1.2 g drive to a 9.1 g drive. In the
>previous drive all of the partitions (logical) were less than
>1g. Now, on the new drive the two partitons that I wanted to
>store the data and programs on are about 4g and 3g respectively.
>I have a windows program made by Caere that worked fine under
>Win/OS2 but now when I ask it to scan it says there is not
>enough room on the drive. Impossible since the partition is now
>4g. Another program gives the programs/directories on any
>particular hard drive. On the two partitons less 1g it works
>fine on the other two, it produces a runtime error. Is there
>something particular about older windows and dos programs that
>make theme act peculiar when installed/placed on partitions
>larger than 1g? I didn't think there would be this problem or
>the programs would care where they were located. Is there any
>way to 'fake' them out to believe they are where they need to
>be? I await any and all responses and thank anyone for their
>help.....
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: sperber@airmail.net                               14-Oct-99 03:42:05
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Help!  Can't create Utility Diskettes

From: Darryl Sperber <sperber@airmail.net>

I just installed an Adaptec 2940U2W, replacing the 2940UW I previously had.
I've added a Western Digital 18300 LVD drive and needed the new card to
support it.

Simultaneously, I put in a Matrox G400 MAX (AGP) video card, replacing the
Matrox Millennium (PCI) that's been serving me like a horse for 4 years.

Seeing this as one of my occasional opportunities to "clean house" and rebuild
my Warp Connect and Warp 4 partitions, I first reinstalled Warp Connect from
scratch.  Unfortunately, the 1994 Warp Connect system didn't recognize the
card properly and showed "None" as the value in the SCSI Adapter field of the
configuration screen early in the install.

To be sure that the correct driver ended up in my system, I then updated
Diskette 1 to have the actual AIC78U2.ADD on it and also updated the
CONFIG.SYS on that diskette to name this driver instead of AIC7870.ADD.  And
then I began the installation again.

Even though there was still no adapter shown in the SCSI Adapter configuration
field, sure enough the installation process was smart enough to add
AIC78U2.ADD to the root of the boot drive and also to name it in the
constructed CONFIG.SYS of my final system.  I guess this kind of smartness for
unsupported hardware which has vendor-provided drivers is built into the
installation process.

For consistency, I've moved AIC78U2.ADD into \OS2\BOOT, although it ran just
fine from its original location in the root directory on the boot drive. 

In other words, the installation process completed perfectly.  And I can run
my operational Warp Connect system just fine, even though the actual Warp
Connect install didn't formally recognize the card.


OK... next step was to apply the usual maintenance.  In this case I went as
far as Fixpack 37.  And I installed the Matrox 2.31 drivers which support the
G400 MAX.

Sill no problems at all.


Finally, it came time to build my Utility Diskettes.  And it was now that I
unfortunately had a total failure!  

Almost immediately upon starting the function, I'm getting an error message
popup that says:

	An error occurred while copying system files.
	Utility disks cannot be created.

And that's that!  No diskettes built.

This is certainly not a diskette formatting issue... I've manually erased the
contents of the diskettes.  It probably has something to do with the 2940U2W
card, and is very likely a cousin of the original install problem where there
was no official support in Warp Connect.

And it's not that the floppy disk drive doesn't work... it works just fine.  I
can write to diskettes from other functions with no problem.  I'm sure it's
specifically to do with whatever the Create Diskettes function is trying to
copy FROM that is most likely the problem.

Something is obviously not present in the source directories from which the
diskettes are built.  I would have thought the files come from obvious
directories in the operational system, but apparently not.


So... my question... where, or for what, might the Create Diskette utility
function be looking and which it cannot find, that prevents it from building
my diskettes?  In other words, where should I also put AIC78U2.ADD where it
can be found by this process?

Fortunately, I have another set of diskettes that I can probably modify as I
did for the original installation diskettes without actually building them
from scratch.  But I'd sure like to have the system build me a fresh set as
it's supposed to.


Any tips or answers?

Thanks in advance.


--
//
//   Darryl Sperber  (sperber@airmail.net)
//

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From: csaba.raduly@sophos.com                           14-Oct-99 11:22:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: Csaba Raduly <csaba.raduly@sophos.com>

Peter Moylan wrote:
> 
> heloman@my-deja.com <heloman@my-deja.com> wrote:
> 
> >fine on the other two, it produces a runtime error. Is there
> >something particular about older windows and dos programs that
> >make theme act peculiar when installed/placed on partitions
> >larger than 1g?
> 
> It's not specifically a Windows problem.  It's an arithmetic
> overflow, it occurs in a lot of older software, and it happens
> because the original programmers never expected to have to deal
> with such large numbers.  (Also, the world seems to be filled with
> crazy programmers who insist on using _signed_ arithmetic to
> calculate file sizes ... but that's a different rant.)
> 
They have to :-(
Some functions return -1 on failure instead of the file size.

Csaba

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From: csaba.raduly@sophos.com                           14-Oct-99 11:27:19
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: JAVAINRT.EXE: cannot find FISETUP directory

From: Csaba Raduly <csaba.raduly@sophos.com>

Doug Darrow wrote:
> 
> On 13 Oct 1999 09:27:35 EDT, fledermaus wrote:
> 
> >I keep getting java errors so decided to upgrade run-time but cannot
> >install it: requires some FEATURE INSTALL software which I cannot find.
> >OS/2 Warp4 FP11.
> >"
> Get Feature Installer 1.25 on Software Choice. And READ the docs on
> installing FI.

That Feature Install is one of the most irritating piece of 
bulls^H^H^H^H^H software I've ever used.

Consider this:
To install Java 1.1.x you need the Feature Install. Feature Install
needs Netscape Navigator. And Netscape Navigator needs, yep, Java !
It's the chicken-or-egg problem !

So you need to have the "old" Java (v1.0.4) that comes with Warp 4
(I don't know about Warp 3), then Netscape, then Java 1.1.x

What was wrong with Software Installer ???

Csaba
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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             14-Oct-99 04:09:09
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Help!  Can't create Utility Diskettes

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

Darryl Sperber wrote:
> 
> 
> Finally, it came time to build my Utility Diskettes.  And it was now that I
> unfortunately had a total failure!
> 
> Almost immediately upon starting the function, I'm getting an error message
> popup that says:
> 
>         An error occurred while copying system files.
>         Utility disks cannot be created.
> 
In Warp 4, the original "Create Utility Disks" program was something
called "bootdisk.exe" and created four utility diskettes using the
original files on the install CD-ROM.  Then, starting in fixpack 5 or
so, IBM added a little check box on the second "Source Directory" screen
which said "Use files from hard disk if they exist."  The reason for
this was to use the most up-to-date file versions installed from
fixpacks in creating the utility disks rather than the downlevel GA
files.  A great idea but a bug in the program prevented it from working
if you checked the box.  If you don't check the box, the 4 utility boxes
are still created from the GA files like always.  Apparently this bug is
fixed in fixpack 12 for Warp v4.  I suspect that the Create Utility
Disks program in Warp Connect has a similar bug.  Try it with the box
unchecked and see what happens.  

If that does not help, look at the source directory for the utility disk
files.  Did you install from CD-Rom or diskettes?  Is the letter of the
source drive correct or has it changed during your new installation?  Is
the CD-ROM or install diskettes physically in the source drive? The
program will terminate if these things are wrong.  

I doubt that your video install method had anything to do with the
create utility disks program.  The program is basically pretty simple
and just copies a lot of files.

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From: mail@ibexmfg.com                                  14-Oct-99 11:15:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: mail@ibexmfg.com (RCW)

Thank you all.

As information for others like me who may be in the dark about this
subject, here's what worked for me.

I copied gzip.exe as gunzip.exe.  I opened up the gunzip.exe property
notebook and added -d to the parameters line.  Now there's no need to
use a OS/2 command window  - just drag and drop the .gz file onto the
gunzip.exe icon and voila.

RCW

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From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com                            14-Oct-99 11:24:17
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:43:41, News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de 
Bruijn) wrote:

> > lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider) wrote:
>  
> > For a data point, I run a Matrox (latest Matrox drivers), and if I 
> > understood your previous posting on 3xBox == kernal thread, kernal == 
> > 3xBox (VDM).  I have no hidden VDMs running w/FP12.
> 
> Are you SCSI only? I think Scotts post should be read SCSI only (or at
> least no IDE-drivers) and non-GRADD means you can be without them.
> 
Yes. SCSI only.

Lee W. Riemenschneider 
Die Hard Purdue Fan!
OS/2 User and Supporter 

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             14-Oct-99 04:25:27
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: problem creating utility disks

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

Irv Spalten wrote:
> 
> Most people get a TRAP screen there. Anyway, FP 10 will not work for
> you, you'll need to install FP 12 to get the updated BOOTDISK.EXE that
> can create the Utility diskettes.

If you don't mind GA service level utility disks, just uncheck the box
labeled "Use files from hard disk if they exist." on the 'Source
Directory' screen.  It should make the 4 diskettes then.  If  you need
uplevel utility disks, you will have to copy the updated files manually
(such as IBM1S506.ADD) or install fixpack 12 which apparently fixes the
bootdisk.exe bug (I haven't tried it.)


> 
> Irv
> 
> Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> >
> > OS/2 Warp 4 FP10
> >
> > I'd made some changes to the system so I wanted to make new utility
> > disks.  I'm thinking, "No problem, only took a little bit of time last
> > time."  So, instead of having to relabel a buncha disks (and then
> > having two versions floating around), I just formatted the old utility
> > disks and was going to use them to make the new disks.
> >
> > I started the process and it finished the first disk (disk 0) and asked
> > for the second (disk 1).  I put it in and it started copying files.  It
> > got to a file and said it couldn't continue with the operation because
> > of an access error.  So I had to stop it.  I thought it was a simple
> > glitch, and tried starting over.  Did the same thing.  I tried
> > rebooting and making sure EVERYTHING was closed and tried again.  Same
> > thing.  I tried changing to a clean disk for the second disk.  Same
> > error.  When I get the registry info on the error the file mentioned
> > near the top is BOOTDISK.EXE.
> >
> > I don't know what to do now.  Can someone please help? (I am looking
> > into bootos2, guess I'll do something with it earlier rather than
> > later?)
> >
> > --
> > Siobhan Perricone
> > PC Technician
> > Alltel Information Services
> > (I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.

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From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr                            14-Oct-99 11:29:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr (Stefan A. Deutscher)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:15:21 GMT, RCW <mail@ibexmfg.com> wrote:

[snip]

>I copied gzip.exe as gunzip.exe.  I opened up the gunzip.exe property
>notebook and added -d to the parameters line.  Now there's no need to
>use a OS/2 command window  - just drag and drop the .gz file onto the
>gunzip.exe icon and voila.

Actually, calling gzip -d is the same as calling gunzip. The program
checks under which name it was invoked and acts accordingly. So, gunzip
-d is, while not doing any harm, sort of overegging the omlet. It should
work just as fine w/o the -d. It does for me.

 Cheers, 
                Stefan


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From: Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.c...               14-Oct-99 12:31:18
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Warp Server

Message sender: Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.co.uk

From: Roland Pinches <Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.co.uk>

Have a look at the IBM Redbook site for SG24-5393-00, Inside OS/2 Warp
Server for e-business.
It can be downloaded from that site and is a fairly hefty 440+ pages.

Hope it helps.

Roland.

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:35:32 -0400, Ken Anderson wrote:
> 
> >Are there any books out on Warp Server for e-business.  I'm looking for
> >something to help me setup my network.  I hate looking at the help
> >files, I like having something to actually flip through.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Ken
> >
> 
> I bought the redbooks.  Other than those, I've not seen anything either.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>        Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org
> 
> ========================================================================
> Member: DNRC            Watcher: Babylon 5              User: OS/2 Warp
> 
>         If you're going to do something, do something worth doing.
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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             14-Oct-99 04:31:24
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: Intel SR440BX is also wrong 

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

V.Kazimirchik wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> > It is theoretically possible to patch OS/2 to correct this.  But it
> > would be much better, and simpler, if the BIOS were corrected.  Note
> > that this is not just an OS/2 problem.
> Guys from Intel seem to ignore non-windoze questions.
> 
> >  This problem exists, in one form
> > or another, for every non-Windows operating system which uses the Intel
> > x86 hardware.  I suggest notifying your hardware vendor, repeatedly, if
> > necessary.
> Unfortunately, here in Russia it's useless.
> 
> > This is a very minor correction to the BIOS software.
> Anyone knows, where exactly? Maybe there is some byte sequence to
> look for?
> 
> >  By way of history, I believe that the original use of INT 15h in x86
> > hardware was for the cassette tape drive on the original IBM PC so you
> > can see that the BIOS evolves.  Our job is to be the squeaky wheel that
> > gets the grease.
> Yes, today I posted my problem into intel.motherboards.pentium_ii
> conference
> (it's the second time during the last week). Guys from Intel support are
> seen there answering questions...not mine.

My guess is that the Intel Tech Support guys don't have an OS/2
installation to test this on.  

> --
> Regards, Vladimir (http://i.am/kzm, mailto:v_kazimirchik@yahoo.com)

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From: Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.c...               14-Oct-99 12:34:05
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 10:29:21
Subj: Re: .sam files

Message sender: Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.co.uk

From: Roland Pinches <Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.co.uk>

I think .sam files are Amipro... 

ManicMechanic wrote:
> 
> Can anybody help me here? I ran across these .sam files on an OS/2
> system we picked up at a buisness we bought. I looked at them from an
> editor and they look like a form or tutorial of some sort. Any idea
> how I can find out what they are or what software will read them?
> 
> Thanks

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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         14-Oct-99 12:17:20
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: problem creating utility disks

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <3804EFC4.6FAAC70C@us.ibm.com>,
  Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Most people get a TRAP screen there. Anyway, FP 10 will not work for
> you, you'll need to install FP 12 to get the updated BOOTDISK.EXE that
> can create the Utility diskettes.

Not trying to question what you're saying too much, but I had made the
disks once before.  You're telling me that I *can't* make utility disks
with FP10 on my system?  WTF did people do before there was a FP12 to
turn to?

> Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> >
> > OS/2 Warp 4 FP10
> >
> > I'd made some changes to the system so I wanted to make new utility
> > disks.  I'm thinking, "No problem, only took a little bit of time
last
> > time."  So, instead of having to relabel a buncha disks (and then
> > having two versions floating around), I just formatted the old
utility
> > disks and was going to use them to make the new disks.
> >
> > I started the process and it finished the first disk (disk 0) and
asked
> > for the second (disk 1).  I put it in and it started copying
files.  It
> > got to a file and said it couldn't continue with the operation
because
> > of an access error.  So I had to stop it.  I thought it was a simple
> > glitch, and tried starting over.  Did the same thing.  I tried
> > rebooting and making sure EVERYTHING was closed and tried again.
Same
> > thing.  I tried changing to a clean disk for the second disk.  Same
> > error.  When I get the registry info on the error the file mentioned
> > near the top is BOOTDISK.EXE.
> >
> > I don't know what to do now.  Can someone please help? (I am looking
> > into bootos2, guess I'll do something with it earlier rather than
> > later?)
> >
> > --
> > Siobhan Perricone
> > PC Technician
> > Alltel Information Services
> > (I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         14-Oct-99 12:33:04
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: problem creating utility disks

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <38059393.65B2186D@isomedia.com>,
  "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com> wrote:
> Irv Spalten wrote:
> >
> > Most people get a TRAP screen there. Anyway, FP 10 will not work for
> > you, you'll need to install FP 12 to get the updated BOOTDISK.EXE
that
> > can create the Utility diskettes.
>
> If you don't mind GA service level utility disks, just uncheck the box
> labeled "Use files from hard disk if they exist." on the 'Source
> Directory' screen.  It should make the 4 diskettes then.  If  you need
> uplevel utility disks, you will have to copy the updated files
manually
> (such as IBM1S506.ADD) or install fixpack 12 which apparently fixes
the
> bootdisk.exe bug (I haven't tried it.)

Well, at least there's a work around.  In the interest of learning to
understand the interrelationships and what bootdisk.exe really is,
lemme ask you this.

What if I just renamed bootdisk.exe to wootdisk.exe?  Wouldn't it then
copy that one file from the CD?  And what impact would that have?
Would I then have some files that were "updated" and one that wasn't
and it would have a cascading effect if I tried to use the disk?  What
does bootdisk.exe do?

(I'm not going to do this, I'm just trying to understand it better)

> >
> > Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> > >
> > > OS/2 Warp 4 FP10
> > >
> > > I'd made some changes to the system so I wanted to make new
utility
> > > disks.  I'm thinking, "No problem, only took a little bit of time
last
> > > time."  So, instead of having to relabel a buncha disks (and then
> > > having two versions floating around), I just formatted the old
utility
> > > disks and was going to use them to make the new disks.
> > >
> > > I started the process and it finished the first disk (disk 0) and
asked
> > > for the second (disk 1).  I put it in and it started copying
files.  It
> > > got to a file and said it couldn't continue with the operation
because
> > > of an access error.  So I had to stop it.  I thought it was a
simple
> > > glitch, and tried starting over.  Did the same thing.  I tried
> > > rebooting and making sure EVERYTHING was closed and tried again.
Same
> > > thing.  I tried changing to a clean disk for the second disk.
Same
> > > error.  When I get the registry info on the error the file
mentioned
> > > near the top is BOOTDISK.EXE.
> > >
> > > I don't know what to do now.  Can someone please help? (I am
looking
> > > into bootos2, guess I'll do something with it earlier rather than
> > > later?)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Siobhan Perricone
> > > PC Technician
> > > Alltel Information Services
> > > (I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
>

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               14-Oct-99 08:43:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>


Richard Steiner wrote:

> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >In article <bUAB4oHpvKjA092yn@visi.com>,
> >Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>
> >>spake unto us, saying:
> >>
> >>>Since Vmware gives you complete access to Windows 2000, NT, 95, 98,
> >>>Win31, MSDOS,
> >>
> >>In any case, a VMWare user would have to spend a lot of money on OS
> >>licenses in order to be able to run those, not so?
> >
> >Yes, not so. Nobody is going to buy VMware without already having a
> >guest OS to run.
>
> Sure, but you were listing several different Windows flavors above and
> seeming to hint at concurrent use.
>
> If that wasn't your intention, I stand (well, sit) corrected, as one is
> extremely likely to have at least one copy of Windows bundled on one's
> PC already, which means that VMWare will allow a home user to run that
> copy of Windows in a VM under Linux for $99 (the cost of VMWare).
>
> If it was your intention to say that it gives you access to all those
> OSes concurrently, then I'll stand by my previous comments: that doing
> so is technically correct, but it would also be fairly expensive to do
> because you'd still have to buy valid licenses for everything you don't
> already have.  That's a lot of $$ on top of the $99 for VMWare.  :-)
>
> You're right that VMWare is flexible.  It's a very good solution for
> many types of things.  Not for gaming yes, unfortunately (mainly due
> to a lack of serious DirectX support), but the various apps I played
> with in my VMWare+Win95 setup under RH 5.1 seemed to work fine while
> I was playing with the Linux betas.  I've had the final version here
> for some time, but I've still not installed it, and I see 1.1 is out
> so I might as well install that one instead.
>
> >That doesn't make any sense. It's $99 for a non-commercial (home user)
> >license for VMware. That allows you to create as many VMs as you like
> >so long as they're in VMware's "supported guest OS" list which all of
> >the above mentioned are.
>
> It was $75 when I purchased a copy for Linux just after the beta, and
> you are absolutely correct, as long as you have legal OS licenses for
> all of the operating systems you want to run in VMWare.
>
> Of course, you could also simply run multiple copies of the same OS in
> different VMs concurrently, but I'm not sure I'd do that in a business
> context without consulting with the legal department first.
>
> >>Linux is a good OS, and it will go places.  It *is* going places.  And
> >>there are things about it that are good.  But I personally think that
> >>your enthusiasm is
> >>
> >>   (1) somewhat unrealistic,
> >>
> >>   (2) nonapplicable to me (since I'm more than a little aware of the
> >>       capabilities of Linux and of VMWare, having both here myself),
> >>       and
> >
> >I'm sorry, but you've already demonstrated confusion over the licensing
> >so I'm having difficulty with some of your comments.
>
> No, I think it's more a misunderstanding about the cost of running the
> entire list of OSes you mentioned on a single machine.  It has nothing
> to do with VMWare's licensing at all (that is simple and inexpensive).
>
> >>Please continue this conversation in c.o.o.advocacy.
> >
> >It is not off topic. The relative merits of keeping OS2 around vs. an
> >alternative approach are being discussed.
>
> Yes, and such comparisons are precisely what the comp.os.*.advocacy
> newsgroups are all about.
>
> --
>    -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>      OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>                         Are we having fun yet?

  Obviously, a realistic future for OS/2 is as a guest operating system in a
Vmware environment under Linux.  In this way the Linux community can provide
the device drivers and the hardware compatibility for the latest machines
and OS/2 can live in the virtual machine without worrying about  hardware
compatibility and device drivers.
Under this configuration OS/2 users will have time to deal with the learning
curve for Linux while they continue to use OS/2.  VMware has stated that
they plan to support OS/2 as a guest operating system, we should hold them
to that.  That gives OS/2 a second life in the IA-64 world.  Although it is
likely that OS/2 will run as a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit platform (much the way
that MSDOS runs on a 32-bit platform), it is doubtful that OS/2 will support
the device drivers that will be created for that platform. So although it
could theoretically run on IA-64 lack of  device driver support makes it not
a realistic option.  Here is where Vmware/Linux comes in.  Linux will be
supported for  IA-64.  Linux will in time support the most popular devices.
Linux can be the host operating system will OS/2 survives as a guest.  In
this scenario OS/2 users have the best of both worlds.

I hope my friends that you can see this. A push for VMware to support OS/2
is the real move that we should be making.  www.vmware.com

Support open Source
Join the Penguin Stampede
Load a  current distribution of Linux today
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From: sperber@airmail.net                               14-Oct-99 05:47:07
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: Help!  Can't create Utility Diskettes

From: Darryl Sperber <sperber@airmail.net>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:09:19 -0400, "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>
wrote:

>  In Warp 4  IBM added a little check box on the second "Source Directory"
screen
>  which said "Use files from hard disk if they exist."  The reason for
>  this was to use the most up-to-date file versions installed from
>  fixpacks in creating the utility disks rather than the downlevel GA
>  files.  A great idea but a bug in the program prevented it from working
>  if you checked the box.  If you don't check the box, the 4 utility boxes
>  are still created from the GA files like always.  Apparently this bug is
>  fixed in fixpack 12 for Warp v4.  I suspect that the Create Utility
>  Disks program in Warp Connect has a similar bug.  Try it with the box
>  unchecked and see what happens.  

There is no such checkbox for Warp Connect's version of this function.  In
fact, ALL files are copied from the current hard drive... whatever they are,
whatever level they're at, and however they got there.

Only Warp 4 has the ability to recreate these diskettes using "original GA"
files or building a "most current" set of boot diskettes.

Of course the existing hard drive files (Warp 4 or Warp Connect) should
certainly be adequate for building dependable boot disks, since they're
clearly adequate for normal hard drive booting.


>  If that does not help, look at the source directory for the utility disk
>  files.

What?  I don't understand this sentence.  By "source directory" are you
alluding to the INPUT files to the copy process?  If so, that is really my
question... because I don't know what this directory would be if it's not
\OS2\BOOT, etc.

I suspect whatever directory(s) is being accessed to build the diskettes is
the one which is missing AIC78U2.ADD (and/or possibly something else).  And
that's the point of my original post... I don't know what directory(s) that
is, nor what really might be missing other than AIC78U2.ADD. 


>  Did you install from CD-Rom or diskettes?

CD.  Of course there are two installation diskettes (to boot from, to begin
the install), but Warp Connect itself is installed from the CD.


>  Is the letter of the source drive correct or has it changed during your new 
installation?

Again, Warp Connect doesn't use the original CD during the Create Diskettes
function.  It is entirely a "from hard drive" process.  So the actual current
CD drive letter isn't relevant.

But as it turns out, no... the CD drive letter hadn't changed.  The entire
install process had taken around 12 hours and my desire to build the diskettes
came at the end of that process.

  
>  I doubt that your video install method had anything to do with the
>  create utility disks program.  The program is basically pretty simple
>  and just copies a lot of files.

I assume you mean "manual install method", rather than "video install method".
But I agree with you... Create Diskettes should be nothing more than copying
lots of files to build boot disks and some basic commands.  You'd think it
would be that simple.

But clearly, it is looking for something (per its "copy script") that it's not
finding.  If I knew where that script was, or what directory(s) were being
accessed, I probably could make the appropriate modifications to get it to
work with my new hardware.


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//   Darryl Sperber  (sperber@airmail.net)
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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               14-Oct-99 08:59:11
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>


William Sonna wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:56, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)
> wrote:
>
> > In article <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-btdtUtl6oTUq@localhost>,
> > William Sonna <wsonna@ibm.net> wrote:
> > >On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:37:15, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John
> > >Hong) wrote:
> > >
> > >> Bob Germer (bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com) wrote:
> > >> : On <3803C8C0.A7D14772@cc.ysu.edu>, on 10/12/99 at 07:48 PM,
> > >> :    Cameron Hughes <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> said:
> > >>
> > >> : > OS/2 our faithful little engine who could no longer can.  It
running on
> > >> : > fumes now.  Let it go,  Let it go.
> > >>
> > >> : Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. You are
already a
> > >> : huge asshole and don't need another one.
> > >>
> > >>    But his outcome will eventually be true.  I mean if IA-64 ever
> > >> does make it to the general desktop market, then we are at a
disadvantage
> > >> since it won't run as quickly as a native IA-64 port of OS/2 would be.
> > >>
> > >
> > >The point you seem to miss is that the troll is out recruiting in a
> > >non-advocacy newsgroup.
> > >
> > >Its called SPAM.
> >
> > Don't be an ass. Go back to the beginning of the thread and read the
> > posts (rather than jumping in with nothing than bs after the discussion
> > is well under way).
> >
>
> If you want to carry on an "I Love Linux" discussion, why pollute this
> newsgroup with it?
>
> This has traditionally been a problem-solving rather than evangelizing
> forum, and often provides the technical information and support for
> OS/2  that IBM no longer provides.  It is an extremely valuable
> resource to those of us who have more pressing problems than anxiety
> fits over whether IBM loves us enough.
>
> But it won't stay that way if individuals such as yourself and Mr
> (Linux is) Wonderful start spamming it with advocacy.
>
> So by all means, KEEP THOSE JAWS A FLAPPIN !!!  In the right place -
> of course.  My recommendations:
>
> For "Linux Rulez - it runs everything ever written and my 'puter never
> even THINKS of crashing" pap,   "comp.os.linux.advocacy" has gotta be
> tops.
>
> For bare-knuckled IBM bashing, you can't beat "comp.os.os2.advocacy".
> There are people there who's ENTIRE LIVES AND CAREERS have been
> DESTROYED by IBM's exit from the SOHO market!  Its so sad it makes the
> Titanic look like a carnival pony ride and they NEVER pass up an
> opportunity to moan about it!
>
> Happy Trails.

  So this news group has been traditionally used for solving OS/2 problems
right?
That is exactly my point.  Linux solves OS/2 problems.  OS/2 as  a guest
operating
system under Linux is a legitimate future for OS/2.  If IBM does not port OS/2 
to
IA-64 then without a solution like Linux and Vmware,  we are really going to
have
some problems in this news group to solve.

    I am not an IBM basher, I'm just saying that to truly extend the life of
OS/2
you have to find some way to get it to hardware platforms other than the
32-bit
Intel platforms because those platforms will be obsolete in about two years. 
In two
years a 386 or 486 system will be as antiquated as a 8086, and 80286 is today. 
 In
four years a Pentium 233 will be antiquated as a 8086 and 80286 is today.  If
the
users in this group intend on still using  OS/2  on computers in 5 years some
very
serious efforts will have to be made to make that happen.   Linux + Vmware is
a
possible solution.  An IBM port is a possible solution.

I don't think however that the Ostrich solution will work.


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From: ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not                        14-Oct-99 06:23:26
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: FP 12

From: "Alex Blair" <ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not>

I can boot to a command prompt by interrupting the boot process and pressing
F2. The disk is fine. 

At this point I'm thinking I should install Warp on another partition & run
Service from there. It's very cumbersome trying to get things done with a
command prompt & TEDIT.

I would love to hear a better idea. (When I get a chance I will try to copy
the boot log files showing the boot errors and post them - problem is the
computer is at home and I am at the office).



On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:51:16 -0500, Irv Spalten wrote:

>Alex, if you can't 'read' your harddisk, you might not be able to read
>the hard disk and do a back out. I'd try CHKDSK, and assume you ran
>CHKDSK before you even applied the FP.
>
>Irv
>
>Alex Blair wrote:
>> 
>> Had problems with with my system after applying FP 12 (I have been running
>> with FP 10). I am now having trouble trying to back out to FP10 level that
I
>> have archived.
>> 
>> Since I cannot boot to WPS, I have tried to use FSERVICE with a modified
>> response file, run from a floppy (it refuses to run from the hard disk,
>> giving me a message that the directory where the CS 1.41 (cs_41.exe) files
>> have been stored is not valid).  When run from the floppy, I am prompted
for
>> CSD disk #1. Why would it request CSD disk #1 ? Doesn't the CS 1.41 package
>> contain all I need ? If not, what & where can I find the necessary files.
>> 
>> Any help is appreciated.
>> 
>> Alex Blair



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From: pvwrght@attglobal.net                             14-Oct-99 09:40:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: .sam files

From: Philip Wright <pvwrght@attglobal.net>

The ".sam" file format is usually Lotus Ami Pro (now Word Pro) and
can be read by most word processors with the appropriate filters
installed. The ".sam" extension dates back to the days when Ami Pro
was owned and developed by Atlanta based Samna Corp. The new file
format is ".lwp". If your system doesn't have Ami Pro or Word Pro
installed try opening it in MS-Word or whatever word processor you
have as an Ami Pro document.

Philip Wright


ManicMechanic wrote:
> 
> Can anybody help me here? I ran across these .sam files on an OS/2
> system we picked up at a buisness we bought. I looked at them from an
> editor and they look like a form or tutorial of some sort. Any idea
> how I can find out what they are or what software will read them?
> 
> Thanks

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           14-Oct-99 17:36:05
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: Full-Duplex Sound Card

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-eRI1DwWbi0Gq@POBLANO>, on 10/07/99 
   at 05:22 PM, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:

>Is there a sound card that supports full-duplex operation under OS/2?

All Crystal-based cards and drivers do support full-duplex under OS/2. I
do not know any OS/2 multimedia app that can use this feature though
:-(.

>Failing this, what such cards can be installed under Win-OS/2?

Again, Crystal cards will work in full-duplex under WinOS2, and same is
true for SoundBlaster cards. I used to use SB16 PnP here, it worked in
full-duplex mode under WinOS2 using Warp 4 standard set of WinOS2
drivers (note that you need to install SB WinOS2 sound support manually,
search OS/2 Desktop Guide for instructions). Also, ESS-1868 soundcard
works just fine in full-duplex mode under WinOS2 here.

Cheers,
Ivan

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From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr                            14-Oct-99 14:21:20
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr (Stefan A. Deutscher)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:59:22 -0700, Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:56, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)
>> wrote:
>>
>> This has traditionally been a problem-solving rather than
>> evangelizing forum, and often provides the technical information and
>> support for OS/2  that IBM no longer provides.  It is an extremely
>> valuable resource to those of us who have more pressing problems than
>> anxiety fits over whether IBM loves us enough.
>>
>> But it won't stay that way if individuals such as yourself and Mr
>> (Linux is) Wonderful start spamming it with advocacy.

>So this news group has been traditionally used for solving OS/2
>problems right?

>That is exactly my point.  Linux solves OS/2 problems.  OS/2 as  a
>guest operating system under Linux is a legitimate future for OS/2.  If
>IBM does not port OS/2 to IA-64 then without a solution like Linux and
>Vmware,  we are really going to have some problems in this news group
>to solve.
>
>I am not an IBM basher, I'm just saying that to truly extend the life
>of OS/2 you have to find some way to get it to hardware platforms other
>than the 32-bit Intel platforms because those platforms will be
>obsolete in about two years.  In two years a 386 or 486 system will be
>as antiquated as a 8086, and 80286 is today.  In four years a Pentium
>233 will be antiquated as a 8086 and 80286 is today.  If the users in
>this group intend on still using  OS/2  on computers in 5 years some
>very serious efforts will have to be made to make that happen.   Linux
>+ Vmware is a possible solution.  An IBM port is a possible solution.

Very eloquent. Nevertheless, the statement

   "If the users in this group intend on still using OS/2 on computers
   in 5 years some very serious efforts will have to be made to make
   that happen." 

is somewhat demagogic and at its core wrong. 

What should keep users in this group to continue to work for 5+ years
with OS/2 on the hardware they have? 

I am working mostly on my ThinkPad 365xd, which is an iP5-120 (w/o L2
cache, only 40 MB RAM and 4 GB disk). Lowtech by now. Slower even than
my at some time fire-breathing iPPro-150 with a whopping 192 MB RAM and
5 GB SCSI disk system. Also LowTech by now. Still, I don't bother even
booting the PPro all that often. 

The point being: For what I do with my PCs, even an iP5-120 with OS/2
Warp 4 is fast enough. So, IA64 or not, right now I don't see that I'll
ditch my well-working system, just to learn, and then switch to, another
one which "allows" me to spend money on and then use new hardware which
in turn would wait even faster for my input.

Mind you, I am not saying that nobody needs more power than is available
today. 

On the machines where I do my calculations -- mostly servers and
parallel or vector supercomputers up to the Mio.+ US$ price range
running some flavour of UNIX  -- on those machines I do need more
performance. All of them are too slow for the problems I want to study.
They always will be.

But on my PC I do not need more speed, at least not more than the
current IA32 incarnations (iPIII, or the even faster AMD K7) can give
me. And many others don't, either. For those people at least, OS/2 Warp
will continue to be the platform for productive work for a while to
come, until they or their hardware die, until the clone makers quit
churning out IA32 compatible chips, or until we hit the Y8k or what ever
bug. I am much less concerned about the lifetime of my computer and
operating system than about my own lifetime, and about it being
productive and enjoyable.

I know people who are more productive with their sliderules than others
with their latest and greatest programmable pocket calculators. (I use
both, actually.) And, there are still people being very, very productive
with DOS machines and a word processor. Many of them would be much less
productive if they'd spend their time learning the OS of the day with
the emulator of the day, tweaking the settings of one (or under
Multiboot/VMware many) operating system, short, if they were working
_on_ rather than _with_ their computers. 

All that said, sure, a VMware support for OS/2 would be neat, as would
be an IA64 version of OS/2 by IBM. And a new OS/2 client with SMP and
jfs and voicetype support and multi(ple) user capability even neater.

But, to say that using OS/2 five years from now will require some
serious effort is simply false.

     Cheers,  Stefan


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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               14-Oct-99 08:54:08
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: problem creating utility disks

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

I'll answer both messages here.

The program that MAKES the diskettes IS BOOTDISK.EXE. Rename it and you
can't make the diskettes.

There are two options using that program. Use the files off of the CD or
use the LATER files from your hard disk.

I was remiss not to tell you NOT to select 'use files from hard disk' .
It is this specific function that was broken in FP 10 (actually it might
have been FP 9?) and corrected in FP 12.

All the program does is create a set of bootable diskettes, 3 of them
are needed, much like the install diskettes that came with OS/2 in the
box. It worked when OS/2 Warp 4 was shipped, and will STILL today, just
as long as you don't try to use the files on your hard disk.

Why do that? Because those files are later. For instance, the
IBM1S506.ADD file on your hard disk will work with drives greater than
8.3 GB, while the one on the initial CD will work only with drives LESS
THAN 4GB. If you have such a drive in your system, you need that file.
Compare the file sizes, CD to DISK, hmm... quite a bit bigger, isn't it?
Now try to put that on Diskette #2 (I think?), have a space problem?

Using FP 10, you'll need to create the diskettes from file off of the
CD, then SELECTIVELY delete unneeded files (look at CONFIG.SYS on
Diskette), most would be for h/w you do not have, like no SCSI devices,
remove the SCSI drivers, and the CD drivers that are not for you're h/w.
Then, eventually you'll have enough space to copy over the newer updated
files. Sorry, there is NO single correct way to do this, other than
apply FP 12.

Irv

Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> 
> In article <3804EFC4.6FAAC70C@us.ibm.com>,
>   Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > Most people get a TRAP screen there. Anyway, FP 10 will not work for
> > you, you'll need to install FP 12 to get the updated BOOTDISK.EXE that
> > can create the Utility diskettes.
> 
> Not trying to question what you're saying too much, but I had made the
> disks once before.  You're telling me that I *can't* make utility disks
> with FP10 on my system?  WTF did people do before there was a FP12 to
> turn to?
> 
> > Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> > >
> > > OS/2 Warp 4 FP10
> > >
> > > I'd made some changes to the system so I wanted to make new utility
> > > disks.  I'm thinking, "No problem, only took a little bit of time
> last
> > > time."  So, instead of having to relabel a buncha disks (and then
> > > having two versions floating around), I just formatted the old
> utility
> > > disks and was going to use them to make the new disks.
> > >
> > > I started the process and it finished the first disk (disk 0) and
> asked
> > > for the second (disk 1).  I put it in and it started copying
> files.  It
> > > got to a file and said it couldn't continue with the operation
> because
> > > of an access error.  So I had to stop it.  I thought it was a simple
> > > glitch, and tried starting over.  Did the same thing.  I tried
> > > rebooting and making sure EVERYTHING was closed and tried again.
> Same
> > > thing.  I tried changing to a clean disk for the second disk.  Same
> > > error.  When I get the registry info on the error the file mentioned
> > > near the top is BOOTDISK.EXE.
> > >
> > > I don't know what to do now.  Can someone please help? (I am looking
> > > into bootos2, guess I'll do something with it earlier rather than
> > > later?)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Siobhan Perricone
> > > PC Technician
> > > Alltel Information Services
> > > (I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> >
> 
> --
> Siobhan Perricone
> PC Technician
> Alltel Information Services
> (I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                14-Oct-99 10:47:18
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 14:36:09
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

OS/2 Fan wrote:
> 
> Try 2GBFIX.COM, it works OK for me.  I have added the line
> C:\OS2\MDOS\2gbfix.com
> to my autoexec.bat, placed the file in \os2\mdos, and all is well.
> Look in
> Hobbes, it should be there.
> Good luck!

I also have this problem in native OS/2 apps.  Is there any possibility
this would help that problem?  Or is the problem with the app itself?
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: rainer.doering@icn.siemens.de                     14-Oct-99 17:37:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: Help!  Can't create Utility Diskettes

From: rainer.doering@icn.siemens.de (Rainer Doering)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 03:42:10 -0700, Darryl Sperber
<sperber@airmail.net> wrote:


snip

>Finally, it came time to build my Utility Diskettes.  And it was now that I
>unfortunately had a total failure!  
>
>Almost immediately upon starting the function, I'm getting an error message
>popup that says:
>
>	An error occurred while copying system files.
>	Utility disks cannot be created.
>
>And that's that!  No diskettes built.
>
>This is certainly not a diskette formatting issue... I've manually erased the
>contents of the diskettes.  It probably has something to do with the 2940U2W
>card, and is very likely a cousin of the original install problem where there
>was no official support in Warp Connect.
>
snip
>
>Any tips or answers?
>
>Thanks in advance.

Try with NOT fresh formatted floppies/Not empty floppies

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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            14-Oct-99 19:01:03
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

Suddenly today I got this message:

=================
Disk Error

The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
be written to disk. The updates are
being held to automatically retry the
operation, but will be lost if the
system is shutdown before correcting
the problem.
=================

What is this? How can I correct this? Is it bad to shutdown before
resolving the problem? What will happen then???

I tried CheckIni (Henk Kelder's) but with no results.


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
  created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               14-Oct-99 09:39:20
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: FP 12

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

I was pleasantly surprised to find we've got the fix 'posted' but not
announced. If you tried to get Diskettes for FP 42 this morning, you'd
have seen this:

===========
* 10/13/99  - Multimedia not serviced on Warp Server SMP
*
* If you are installing FixPak 42 on a Warp Server SMP system and
Multimedia
* is not selectable as a Serviceable Product, download file SYSLEVEL.MPM
* to correct this problem.
* Click on "Up to higher level directory" in Pak 42 directory.
* Goto directory "syslevel/wrpsvsmp" or point your Web Browser to:
* ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v3.0warp/english-us/
* syslevel/wrpsvsmp
* Copy this file to the "MMOS2\INSTALL" directory where Multimedia is
* installed.
* Re-Install the FixPak or Select Multimedia only to install if FixPak
42
* has already been installed.
*
======

Note that the FTP line above should be one line.

Give it a try, it should fix you up. If you are up to date on other
system files, ONLY MMPM/2 will actually get serviced.

I'll put this info up on the News Page shortly.

Irv

hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
> 
> In <noynvevozarg.fjhk2t0.pminews@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, "Alex Blair"
<ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not> writes:
> >Had problems with with my system after applying FP 12 (I have been running
> >with FP 10). I am now having trouble trying to back out to FP10 level that
I
> >have archived.
> >
> >Since I cannot boot to WPS, I have tried to use FSERVICE with a modified
> >response file, run from a floppy (it refuses to run from the hard disk,
> >giving me a message that the directory where the CS 1.41 (cs_41.exe) files
> >have been stored is not valid).  When run from the floppy, I am prompted
for
> >CSD disk #1. Why would it request CSD disk #1 ? Doesn't the CS 1.41 package
> >contain all I need ? If not, what & where can I find the necessary files.
> 
> I *think* it is asking for the CSD disks from floppy . . . oooh, fun. I've
had
> a lot better luck using DIUNPACK and Service from the hard drive -- modified
> response files and Voodoo have a lot in common, IMO.  For sure there's a
logical
> reason the readme calls for for sacrificing a goat before attempting a
response
> file fixpack install, but . . .
> 
> >
> >Any help is appreciated.
> >
> >Alex Blair
> >
> 
> --
> Hÿrad ÿngravvÿrd

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     14-Oct-99 17:29:10
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: AOpen AW37 Pro.

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:54:21, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) 
wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can pick up an AOpen AW37 PRO ISA sound card 
> in Calgary?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

I think OA computers (or something like that) has a branch in Calgary.
They carry the AW37 (not sure about the Pro), in Edmonton.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             14-Oct-99 13:54:04
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

Sounds as though your hard disk is full. Do *not* shut down! Try to
delete or move some files from the disk where the *.INI files are stored
(the boot drive, by default) to make room for the updated files to be
written.

OS/2's *.INI files get rewritten from time to time, and they have a
tendency to grow. Probably your SWAPPER.DAT file has also grown to the
point where you are running out of space. You could keep the SWAPPER.DAT
file on a different drive.

Alan



F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:

> Suddenly today I got this message:
>
> =================
> Disk Error
>
> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
> be written to disk. The updates are
> being held to automatically retry the
> operation, but will be lost if the
> system is shutdown before correcting
> the problem.
> =================
>
> What is this? How can I correct this? Is it bad to shutdown before
> resolving the problem? What will happen then???
>
> I tried CheckIni (Henk Kelder's) but with no results.
>
> Frits
>
> --
> ----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
>            there is no truth or reality
>        but only aspects and interpretations
> -------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
>   created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             14-Oct-99 09:35:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 16:31:18
Subj: Re: Help!  Can't create Utility Diskettes

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Darryl Sperber wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:09:19 -0400, "David T. Johnson"
<djohnson@isomedia.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >  In Warp 4  IBM added a little check box on the second "Source Directory"
screen
> >  which said "Use files from hard disk if they exist."  The reason for
> >  this was to use the most up-to-date file versions installed from
> >  fixpacks in creating the utility disks rather than the downlevel GA
> >  files.  A great idea but a bug in the program prevented it from working
> >  if you checked the box.  If you don't check the box, the 4 utility boxes
> >  are still created from the GA files like always.  Apparently this bug is
> >  fixed in fixpack 12 for Warp v4.  I suspect that the Create Utility
> >  Disks program in Warp Connect has a similar bug.  Try it with the box
> >  unchecked and see what happens.
> 
> There is no such checkbox for Warp Connect's version of this function.  In
> fact, ALL files are copied from the current hard drive... whatever they are,
> whatever level they're at, and however they got there.

I looked at a machine with OS/2 v3 installed and started the Create
Disks program.  You are right, the program does not provide an option
for selection of the files.  When the program starts, the first thing it
does is look at the floppy drive and the drive should briefly light up
and bump a little.  Then the 'Create Utility Disks' screen pops up and
asks you to select a drive where the diskettes will be created.  After
you select A or B, another screen pops up asking you to insert the
diskette for that drive.  After you do this, it tells you that the disk
will be formatted, formats the disk, and starts copying files from the
hard drive to the floppy.  The first file is OS2BOOT, then OS2LDR,
OS2VER, and OS2KRNLI in that order.  So does any of this stuff happen
for you?  If not, I would suspect a problem with the floppy drive or the
floppy drive driver.  Since you say the floppy is working properly, I am
puzzled.  Perhaps the program checks for system file first before
starting the floppy bump.  Since your system boots properly and accepts
a fixpack service, I cannot imagine what could be missing.  Sorry I
can't be more helpful.

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From: mwulfman@home.com                                 14-Oct-99 18:52:24
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Sub SB 16 perhaps? wuz: AOpen AW37 Pro.

From: M Wulfman <mwulfman@home.com>

No but I have an ISA SB 16 for sale cheap. $7

Matthew

Ray Appleby wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know where I can pick up an AOpen AW37 PRO ISA sound card
> in Calgary?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          14-Oct-99 18:53:01
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Re: Where are the fonts?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:07:11, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) a 
Úcrit dans un message:
snipt meself
> 
> Tha author, Rich Sprague, is a working printer who has taken a lot of 
> interest in the subject of fonts in PDFs, especially Acrobat 4 problems.

Obvious typo there. Instead of "Tha author" I meant to say, "Da author."

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          14-Oct-99 23:01:11
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Re: Multimedia Folder

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

Do a search for ORC150.ZIP on Hobbes. I lost a couple of
folders from messing around and it recreated them for me.

Cheers

Wayne


On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:39:06 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:

:>Doug Darrow wrote:
:>> 
:>> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:22:01 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:
:>> 
:>> >For some reason I don't have a Multimedia Folder on my desktop.  I
:>> >presume it's installed because I can play midi files, avi files,
:>> >etc. which I don't think could be done otherwise.  Is there any way
:>> >to rebuild the multimedia folder?  Or am I going to have to do the
:>> >entire selective install?
:>> 
:>> Look in OS/2 System > System Setup. MM was integrated into the base OS
:>> back in FP6 or some such.
:>
:>I found an object there called Multimedia Setup which opens a notebook
:>of settings, but I'm looking for a folder that has the objects in it
:>for the midi player, cd player, etc.
:>-- 
:>Dale Erwin
:>Dallas, Texas 
:><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: donm@ftel.net                                     14-Oct-99 19:14:11
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

In message <7tlad6$80f$1@news.ysu.edu> - cahughes@cc.ysu.edu writes:
:>
:>
:>
:>I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
:>vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip
drives,
:>new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my time
and effor to 
:>this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was the
smart
:>and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability, a
fresh user
:>interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has come
:>to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2 and
:>to Windows 2000.
:>
:>Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete
access
:>to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current as
you would


actually, for abandoning us due to their own marketing shortcomings.

I would recommend any and all users to avoid purchasing IBM hardware.
They never know when IBM will abandon them because they lost interest.

The best place to hurt IBM is in the wallet.  We can't hurt them with
OS/2 now, but we can start deterring Hardware sales..


Now I'm pissed!



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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                14-Oct-99 18:21:18
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Re: Rexx script to change multiple objects

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:46:36, mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)
wrote:

> I is it possible to change the object type for all files through a REXX
script?
> 
> I've created an object type (MP3) that points to PM123. I don't like .mp3 
> extensions and would like to convert all files/objects in a directory to be 
> associated with PM123 or the object type (MP3).
> 
> Can this be done easily?

On July 29th, I posted an article titled
"Jarz.Cmd (was OS/2 System Editor/Bad Feature Install)"

This REXX script resets the type for .jar and .exe files to 'ZIP File'
so they can be used with OD's zip folder feature.  You should be able
to modify it easily to reset your files to type 'MP3'.

You'll want to change the list of extensions it works on, and the
line which defines the new type from
    typeval = 'DFFF 0000 0100 FDFF 0800'X || 'ZIP File'
to
    typeval = 'DFFF 0000 0100 FDFF 0300'X || 'MP3'


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From: sperber@airmail.net                               14-Oct-99 12:34:04
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Re: Help!  Can't create Utility Diskettes

From: Darryl Sperber <sperber@airmail.net>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:35:29 -0400, "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>
wrote:

>  When the program starts, the first thing it
>  does is look at the floppy drive and the drive should briefly light up
>  and bump a little.  Then the 'Create Utility Disks' screen pops up and
>  asks you to select a drive where the diskettes will be created.  After
>  you select A or B, another screen pops up asking you to insert the
>  diskette for that drive.

All this happens just as you describe.


>  After you do this, it tells you that the disk will be formatted

Still corresponds to my experience, along with the warning about all data will
be lost.


>  formats the disk

Doesn't need to right now, because my disks are already empty and freshly
formatted.  At least they are now.

But I believe when I first tried this I was simply using the very three disks
I had previously built, expecting them to be re-formatted by this process and
then rebuilt.  So they were not empty during the first attempt.

And it seemed NOT to really format at all (which should have taken some time,
unless it's just a "/Q quick format".  Instead, after just a brief flash
(during which it maybe realized it didn't need to format), it seemed to move
on to the COPY FILES process, which is where the error then appeared.


>  and starts copying files from the
>  hard drive to the floppy.  The first file is OS2BOOT, then OS2LDR,
>  OS2VER, and OS2KRNLI in that order.

Well, I guess it tries to start, but then quits immediately... certainly
before these above files could possibly have been copied.  And there are no
files at all which end up on the diskette (although in all honesty, I believe
the above files are system+hidden, so I didn't think to look for them, and I
didn't think to look for the remaining free byte capacity to see if anything
had been copied).


>  So does any of this stuff happen for you?

Most of it... except for the COPY stuff.


>  If not, I would suspect a problem with the floppy drive or the
>  floppy drive driver.  Since you say the floppy is working properly, I am
>  puzzled.

I am out of town until next Wednesday, but when I get back I will very
carefully re-trace all of my steps, verifying at each step along the way that
things do, indeed, work.

In particular, I'll be sure to re-verify that I can write to the floppy drive.
Obviously I can read from it (since I installed OS/2 from the boot diskettes),
but writing to it from under OS/2 is another matter.  Yes, I'm sure I
confirmed that writing would work... but I'll try it again next week.


>  Perhaps the program checks for system file first before
>  starting the floppy bump.  Since your system boots properly and accepts
>  a fixpack service, I cannot imagine what could be missing.  Sorry I
>  can't be more helpful.

I'm as perplexed as you are.

I'll try it again with a non-empty diskette, to see if even the required
formatting gets initiated, or if that's actually where the problem is and the
error message (about copying files) is just misleading.


--
//
//   Darryl Sperber  (sperber@airmail.net)
//

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    14-Oct-99 14:32:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Warpstock 99 ... Atlanta ... Oct 16th and 17th

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

Due to moderation lag, many of the announcements and Press Releases
regarding Warpstock 99 (WS99) will not make it to USENET until it's
too late.

So I thought I'd mention a few points of interest to all you net
users.

First of all, ALL announcements were sent to Warpcast, and you can
find them, archived, at http://www.os2ss.com. Follow the links to
Warpcast.

VOICE is going to be holding live chat sessions all weekend on WEBBnet
IRC, #voice channel. If you're not familiar with IRC, point your
browser to http://www.os2voice.org and follow the links to Meeting
Info. There, you will find information on IRC, links to native OS/2
IRC Clients, and links to a listing of WEBBnet IRC Servers.

VOICE will also be uploading pictures from WS99 all weekend. Links and
info will be on the VOICE Website at http://www.os2voice.org.

Larry Finkelstein has arranged for Live Broadcasts from WS99 on the
Compuserve OS2CENTRAL Forum. He assures us that you do NOT have to be
a Compuserve member to view the broadcasts. Look at
http://www.os2central.com for instructions and info on viewing these
broadcasts.

I  wish all of you could be there to partake of this "Celebration of
OS/2" ... but for those of you  who can't, we'll try our best to keep
you both informed and involved in the happenings from Atlanta.

Now, I have to pack :-)

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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               14-Oct-99 15:59:12
  To: sad@utk.edu                                       14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

To: sad@utk.edu
From: Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>


Stefan A. Deutscher wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:59:22 -0700, Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:56, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> This has traditionally been a problem-solving rather than
> >> evangelizing forum, and often provides the technical information and
> >> support for OS/2  that IBM no longer provides.  It is an extremely
> >> valuable resource to those of us who have more pressing problems than
> >> anxiety fits over whether IBM loves us enough.
> >>
> >> But it won't stay that way if individuals such as yourself and Mr
> >> (Linux is) Wonderful start spamming it with advocacy.
>
> >So this news group has been traditionally used for solving OS/2
> >problems right?
>
> >That is exactly my point.  Linux solves OS/2 problems.  OS/2 as  a
> >guest operating system under Linux is a legitimate future for OS/2.  If
> >IBM does not port OS/2 to IA-64 then without a solution like Linux and
> >Vmware,  we are really going to have some problems in this news group
> >to solve.
> >
> >I am not an IBM basher, I'm just saying that to truly extend the life
> >of OS/2 you have to find some way to get it to hardware platforms other
> >than the 32-bit Intel platforms because those platforms will be
> >obsolete in about two years.  In two years a 386 or 486 system will be
> >as antiquated as a 8086, and 80286 is today.  In four years a Pentium
> >233 will be antiquated as a 8086 and 80286 is today.  If the users in
> >this group intend on still using  OS/2  on computers in 5 years some
> >very serious efforts will have to be made to make that happen.   Linux
> >+ Vmware is a possible solution.  An IBM port is a possible solution.
>
> Very eloquent. Nevertheless, the statement
>
>    "If the users in this group intend on still using OS/2 on computers
>    in 5 years some very serious efforts will have to be made to make
>    that happen."
>
> is somewhat demagogic and at its core wrong.
>
> What should keep users in this group to continue to work for 5+ years
> with OS/2 on the hardware they have?
>
> I am working mostly on my ThinkPad 365xd, which is an iP5-120 (w/o L2
> cache, only 40 MB RAM and 4 GB disk). Lowtech by now. Slower even than
> my at some time fire-breathing iPPro-150 with a whopping 192 MB RAM and
> 5 GB SCSI disk system. Also LowTech by now. Still, I don't bother even
> booting the PPro all that often.
>
> The point being: For what I do with my PCs, even an iP5-120 with OS/2
> Warp 4 is fast enough. So, IA64 or not, right now I don't see that I'll
> ditch my well-working system, just to learn, and then switch to, another
> one which "allows" me to spend money on and then use new hardware which
> in turn would wait even faster for my input.
>
> Mind you, I am not saying that nobody needs more power than is available
> today.
>
> On the machines where I do my calculations -- mostly servers and
> parallel or vector supercomputers up to the Mio.+ US$ price range
> running some flavour of UNIX  -- on those machines I do need more
> performance. All of them are too slow for the problems I want to study.
> They always will be.
>
> But on my PC I do not need more speed, at least not more than the
> current IA32 incarnations (iPIII, or the even faster AMD K7) can give
> me. And many others don't, either. For those people at least, OS/2 Warp
> will continue to be the platform for productive work for a while to
> come, until they or their hardware die, until the clone makers quit
> churning out IA32 compatible chips, or until we hit the Y8k or what ever
> bug. I am much less concerned about the lifetime of my computer and
> operating system than about my own lifetime, and about it being
> productive and enjoyable.
>
> I know people who are more productive with their sliderules than others
> with their latest and greatest programmable pocket calculators. (I use
> both, actually.) And, there are still people being very, very productive
> with DOS machines and a word processor. Many of them would be much less
> productive if they'd spend their time learning the OS of the day with
> the emulator of the day, tweaking the settings of one (or under
> Multiboot/VMware many) operating system, short, if they were working
> _on_ rather than _with_ their computers.
>
> All that said, sure, a VMware support for OS/2 would be neat, as would
> be an IA64 version of OS/2 by IBM. And a new OS/2 client with SMP and
> jfs and voicetype support and multi(ple) user capability even neater.
>
> But, to say that using OS/2 five years from now will require some
> serious effort is simply false.
>
>      Cheers,  Stefan
>
> --
> =========================================================================
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> =========================================================================
>  Do you know what they call a quarter-pounder with cheese in Paris?

I have no idea what they call a quarter-pounder with cheese in Paris.

Your point is well taken.  I certainly could be wrong.  It would not be the
first time,
and probably not the last.  Its just a bit of operating system calculus I've
been doing.  I had no idea there was such a range of people in this news
group.   That good to see. I am speaking narrowly from a software
developer/software engineers perspective.  Obviously I can't force my
paradigm on the diversity of uses for OS/2 that I now see are in full
swing.   For those that can keep it going

                        'Long live OS/2!'


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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            14-Oct-99 21:58:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <380618C1.878ED9AC@datatone.com>, on 10/14/1999 
   at 01:54 PM, Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com> said:

>Sounds as though your hard disk is full. Do *not* shut down! Try to
>delete or move some files from the disk where the *.INI files are
>stored (the boot drive, by default) to make room for the updated
>files to be written.

Of course I checked that! There is still 323MB of free space on the
C:-drive. My OS2SYS.INI is now 580kB and OS2.INI is 1.4MB after using
CheckIni (which I normally do every 2 weeks).

And also..... I still kept my computer running OS/2 because it looks
like a severe warning......

>OS/2's *.INI files get rewritten from time to time, and they have a
>tendency to grow. Probably your SWAPPER.DAT file has also grown to
>the point where you are running out of space. You could keep the
>SWAPPER.DAT file on a different drive.

Swapper.dat is also on C: and it can hardly grow because it is quite
large of itself (290MB).


Frits


>F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:

>> Suddenly today I got this message:
>>
>> =================
>> Disk Error
>>
>> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
>> be written to disk. The updates are
>> being held to automatically retry the
>> operation, but will be lost if the
>> system is shutdown before correcting
>> the problem.
>> =================
>>
>> What is this? How can I correct this? Is it bad to shutdown before
>> resolving the problem? What will happen then???
>>
>> I tried CheckIni (Henk Kelder's) but with no results.
>>
>> Frits
>>
>> --
>> ----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
>>            there is no truth or reality
>>        but only aspects and interpretations
>> -------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
>>   created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
  created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: oskib@hotmail.com                                 14-Oct-99 13:08:14
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:12
Subj: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com>

I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
and Linux recently.

I have a couple of questions:

1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
Win98?
3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
well as lesser known applications?
4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
network cards as easily as Microsoft?
4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?


Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks






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From: Alien@heaven.com                                  14-Oct-99 20:27:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com>

Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
used OS2.

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?

If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

Linux has a program that allows you to run some Windows programs called
WINE.

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

From what I have read Linux supports more SCSI controllers than any
other operating system.

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

Yes, most likely.
 
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks

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From: uno@40th.com                                      14-Oct-99 20:48:23
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: uno@40th.com (uno@40th.com)

As I recall, OS/2 doesn't use OS2*.INI during normal operation.  What
it does is it uses OS2*.! (something like that), and then, every now
and then, copies that (*.!) to OS2*.INI.  So, hm, well, I've seen that
error maybe once or twice before, but I think that was way back in Warp3
(where INI corruption/problems were common -- never had a problem in W4/
GA).

What you might want to do is copy the os2*.! files someplace safe,
and if needed, copy those over the current os2*.ini files (floppy boot).
If the ini files are okay (ie, not corrupt) then chances are none of
this matters (maybe you'll lose a window's posistion, whatever).

Or, you might try, once you back up the os2*.! and os2*.ini files, to
shutdown pmshell and let it restart (but don't do it just because I
say to).  If still problems, then C-A-D (close everything first).  If
you still get the "can't write ini..." then do a regular shutdown.  If
still a problem, pull the plug.  If still a problem, pick up the monitor
and toss it across the room.

I have UniMaint 5, and the only thing I use it for anymore is to make
arhives of the os2*.ini files, which, now that I think about it, has
come in handy a couple of times, but I think only in Warp3.

F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net? (F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net?) wrote (Thu, 14 Oct 199
>Of course I checked that! There is still 323MB of free space on the
 '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
 Corne1 Huth  -  http://40th.com/
 Bullet database engines/servers 3.1  Win32-WinCE-OS2-Linux+

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From: thotti@muenster.de                                14-Oct-99 23:28:00
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: thotti@muenster.de

Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
the actual Linux- Distributions are easy to install, but you need a
couple of time for understanding what you do.
OS/2 is also easy to install, but you have to upgrade the system
afterwards to get Y2k compatibility. And, if you have a HD > 4.3 (thats
the border I think) you need new driver for accessing these drives.
Available free via Internet

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?
FAT 32 is compatible to Win98 but top nothing else! So, if you choose
another OS than WIN98, you need to reformat. But, Linux as well as OS/2
is designed to handle the HD for more OSes and Partitions.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

you can run 16 Bit Win- Apps and early 32Bit Apps under OS/2. You can
emulate a whole Computer running Win98 under Linux with vmware. 

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

All SCSI Adapters and monitors are ok for both of them. Paralell scanner
are not supported under OS/2 and AFAIK Linux. Be aware of so called
"win-modems". They are running under WIN98 only

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting
 for Windows 2000?

Its the same. Networking Management is different in Win2000-Server.
 
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks

no matter 

cu/2

thotti

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From: webmaster@gfree.net                               14-Oct-99 17:33:27
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: .sam files

From: ManicMechanic <webmaster@gfree.net>

Yes Chuck, you were correct. I was able to open them with Wordpro.

Thanks for your input!


On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:33:22 -0600, Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>
wrote:

>*.sam was used by Lotus AmiPro.  You should be able to read them with
>Lotus WordPro or Star Office.  There may be other word processing
>software that can import them as well.
>
>ManicMechanic wrote:
>> 
>> Can anybody help me here? I ran across these .sam files on an OS/2
>> system we picked up at a buisness we bought. I looked at them from an
>> editor and they look like a form or tutorial of some sort. Any idea
>> how I can find out what they are or what software will read them?
>> 
>> Thanks

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From: lyn@zolotek.REMOVE-SPAM.com                       14-Oct-99 21:39:05
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: lyn@zolotek.REMOVE-SPAM.com

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:01:06, F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:

> Suddenly today I got this message:
> 
> =================
> Disk Error
> 
> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
> be written to disk. The updates are
> being held to automatically retry the
> operation, but will be lost if the
> system is shutdown before correcting
> the problem.
> =================
> 
> What is this? How can I correct this? Is it bad to shutdown before
> resolving the problem? What will happen then???
> 
> I tried CheckIni (Henk Kelder's) but with no results.

Happened to me the other day too, after the swapper grew to ~300mb. I 
ran checkini /C, but the WPS would not restart so I had to CAD. No 
problems, it rebooted fine.

Lyn St George
lyn at zolotek dot com

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From: sartory@bellsouth.net                             14-Oct-99 17:47:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net>

Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

My judgment is that Linux is still the most difficult to
install & get all the necessary services running. And NT the
easiest.


> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?

You do have the option of buying PARTITION MAGIC which will
allow you to shrink your current partition & create free
space & then create a new partition for your new OS. That
assumes your present partition is not completely filled with
files that you are unwilling to give up.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

OS2 will run old WIN 3.1 applications very well, but not
WIN95 or WIN98 or WINNT aplications.

Microsoft tries to force or encourage independent software
vendors to make their products compatible with the all
Windows OSes, but many don't. If an old Windows App was not
designed specifically to be WINNT compatible, it likely will
not be.

Linux has only very limited compatibility with any Win Apps
although there has been an effort to create that
compatibility for years.

Linux does come with lots of its own software though.

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?


OS2 depends mostly on hardware vendors to write drivers
compatible with OS2. Fewer & fewer now do that as OS2 loses
market share. If you choose OS2 you need to make a careful
selection of a video adaptor card in particular. 

Nearly all hardware vendors write drivers for WINNT as well
as other WINs because that's where the market is.

Linux depends on individual volunteers to write drivers &
they do that very well because there are a great many of
them & they personally own a great variety of new & old
hardware that they want to run under Linux.

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

I would personally wait at this point.

> 
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks


Walt

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 14-Oct-99 23:44:19
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

Well, there is a little trick you might have to do before
installing OS/2, due to the fact that it is an old EIDE-driver
that is supplied with Warp!

Other than that....there is no problem!
You have to have more specific information about the hardware
when installing and configuring Linux. 
But OS/2 is "optimized" for a i486 (read:not optimized for
anything specific), while Linux is or can be optimized for the
most hardware!

But IMO, unless you're a completely imbecile you're actually able
to install most operating systems today!

Well, Microsoft do not agree....In their opinion a printer-button
is not userfriendly enough!
Which is the reason for the many-many problems you can get
yourself into when installing MS-Windows


I consider both Linux and OS/2 to be easier to install than
Windows, because you are yourself able to take charge!
And there are not drivers for everything. 

IMO OS/2 is slightly easier to install, that might be because
I've only installed Linux a few times!

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?

AFAIK you're able to install OS/2 on the same FAT16 partition as
Windows, using the dual boot feature!
But I must emphasize that FAT16 is obsolete and is not worth
much!
FAT32...nope you cannot install OS/2 here!

I believe Linux allso can be installed on FAT16

But no matter what operating system you install, it is always
better to format the partition to the system's native filesystem. 

My reccomendation is to install OS/2 on HPFS and Linux on
Ext2/(Ext3)!

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

OS/2 runs Native OS/2 (16 and 32-bit), Java (one of the best, if
not the best), Win16 and DOS applications
Linux runs Linux (Posix) and DOS applications (I you choose to
install DOS-support) and Java applications (One of the best)

Here it looks like OS/2 have the edge!

Well Linux have add-ons that OS/2 does not have yet (Wine is to
be ported to OS/2)

Wabi that enables you to run Win16 applications
And Wine (in Beta) enabling you to run Win32 applications!
(AFAIK Both requiering an windows installed)

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

yes and no!

Neither Linux or OS/2 needs drivers for every little unit!
Ex: For an external modem all you need is a driver for the serial
port!

But the support for scanners is limited, it is almost SCSI
only...I believe Linux has the same problem (Twain)!

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

There are many-many problems with the core and the network part!
It has been rewritten, now optimized for x86, but at the same
time the system has grown to five times its previous size! 

At this time it is not really worth the effort, some basic
problems has been solved but there are too many left! 
Perhaps in a few years...it is the prize you have to pay, when
the GUI has higher priority than the base system, when
developing!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.


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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                14-Oct-99 17:50:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 20:03:13
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <38063CAF.9D90DCA0@heaven.com>,
Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com> wrote:
>Bones wrote:
>>
>> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
>> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
>> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
>> and Linux recently.
>>
>> I have a couple of questions:
>>
>> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
>
>Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
>used OS2.
>

What? Then how can you answer that question honestly? The fact is, I can
install OS/2 in my sleep (NO, I won't handhold you through an installl...)
while Linux calls for technical information that make me either drag out the
spec sheets for various cards or open the case to see what port, irq is being
used for certain cards I have installed...

Come on... try OS/2... you'll be impressed.

>> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
>> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
>> Win98?
>
>If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
>partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.
>

You'll want to reformat the drive anyways... NT, OS/2, LINUX, SOLARIS or
anything. It'd be stupid not to...

>> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
>> well as lesser known applications?
>
>Linux has a program that allows you to run some Windows programs called
>WINE.
>

OS/2 has superior win3.1 support and some win32 possibilties and that's it...
Linux? I never got that far into it and blew it out in favor of OS/2.

>> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
>> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
>
>From what I have read Linux supports more SCSI controllers than any
>other operating system.
>

That could be true, but you should see the supported list of scsi controllers
for OS/2... it's nothing sneeze at... :')

>> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
>Yes, most likely.
>

Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new there
except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at large".
Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of windows
users...

>> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks


You got it... Cheers,


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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     14-Oct-99 18:31:25
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

In <3800CAF4.6BD75C3D@powertech.no>, on 10/10/99 
   at 07:20 PM, Bj rn Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> said:

>yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:

>>
>> I did get FP12 to seemingly function with the SB-16 card in my workstation
>> at home, but that is the only box FP-12 seems to function on.  Everything
>> else is a serious kludge of work arounds and do withouts.
>>

>What kind of problem on two different computers was it you tried to fix
>by applying the FP?

>This may be a reminder to many that you are not supposed to install
>fixpacks unless there is something you need fixed which is noted as fixed
>on the APAR-list of the fixpack.

The notebook had lots of software which had been installed and
un-installed.  I was upgrading java and netscape along with several other
tools and in some of the release notes I read that I should upgrade for
device driver support, etc.  Since my notebook is my life (and the thing
which broke the worst) I always test ALL installs on my home workstation
before trying anything on the notebook.  The workstation only had minor
OS/2 problems.  When I got done it had different minor problems...and once
I stuck in a 506 device driver statement turning off bus mastering (on an
ALL SCSI machine no less) system hangs seemed to be reduced.

Bolstered by the modest success I did the install on the notebook.  Major
mistake.

It appears that IBM has been talking to Stardock way too much.  Their
development practices are rubbing off...compiled...first screen came
up...SHIP IT!


Roland


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From: bellerto@cfl.rr.com                               14-Oct-99 22:20:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "BeLlErTo" <bellerto@cfl.rr.com>

Its really not that hard to decide....

OS2 - SUX
WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
Linux - Linux

You can use Star Office and a bunch of other Corel apps to replace MS Office
etc...









Bones <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com...
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?
> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?
> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             14-Oct-99 22:26:05
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS/2 and CAD

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:35:07, Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk> wrote:

> > I use AutoCAD Release 12 for Windows and AutoCAD 10 Dos both in OS/2. Well 
in D
> 
> Then there is BlueCAD (Find it at OS2.org -> softwhere)
> It is native!

My experience with ACAD R12 and OS/2 have been excellent, both the
Windows and DOS flavors.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 14-Oct-99 22:22:03
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Carpool to Warpstock: taking I-75 Florida to Atlanta

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  Hello all,

  I'll be heading to Warpstock this weekend and wanted to see if there was 
anyone interested in tagging along or meeting up there.  I'll be taking I-75
north from mid-Florida.  email if you are interested.

  Enjoy whatever you'll be doing this weekend,

  David LaRue

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      14-Oct-99 22:45:28
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <38060d17$1$s.q.nyvax$mr2ice@news.nl.net>,
  F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:

<snip>

> What is this? How can I correct this? Is it bad to shutdown before
> resolving the problem? What will happen then???

Sounds to me like your harddrive is going to kick the bucket.

Do you keep getting the error, or was it just the one time? I had a
424MB WD Caviar drive that got the same problem after I put Warp4 on
it, but the error message popped-up many many times. I remembered that
I had dropped the drive the day before (from about 2' too, ouch!) and
it was most likely damaged.

I suggest you backup what you want to keep to a known good drive or
removable media and run some diagnostics on the drive. If it's under
warranty still, call the manufacturer to see what they reccomend. I
know WD has a nice diagnostics program.

Good luck!!

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
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From: ecmille@ibm.net                                   14-Oct-99 23:05:12
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: Multimedia Folder

From: ecmille@ibm.net (Ted Miller)

In message <180F4BD428A662A8.B01BBBD42357704E.C3740A116DC45C1F@lp.airnews.net>
- Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:39:06 -0400 writes:
:>
:>Doug Darrow wrote:
:>> 
:>> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:22:01 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:
:>> 
:>> >For some reason I don't have a Multimedia Folder on my desktop.  I
:>> >presume it's installed because I can play midi files, avi files,
:>> >etc. which I don't think could be done otherwise.  Is there any way
:>> >to rebuild the multimedia folder?  Or am I going to have to do the
:>> >entire selective install?
:>> 
:>> Look in OS/2 System > System Setup. MM was integrated into the base OS
:>> back in FP6 or some such.
:>
:>I found an object there called Multimedia Setup which opens a notebook
:>of settings, but I'm looking for a folder that has the objects in it
:>for the midi player, cd player, etc.
:>-- 
:>Dale Erwin
:>Dallas, Texas 
:><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

Hello Dale

All my multimedia objects are found in os/2 System\programa\multimedia.

Ted Miller
ecmille@ibm.net



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From: r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net                          15-Oct-99 00:03:29
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Richard Dakin" <r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net>

BeLlErTo <bellerto@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:LGsN3.1173$Ob.8242@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com...
> Its really not that hard to decide....
>
> OS2 - SUX
> WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
> Linux - Linux
>
> You can use Star Office and a bunch of other Corel apps to replace MS
Office
> etc...


OS/2 - Don't know, not enough experience
WINNT - Very solid on my machines
Linux - Looks like it's been designed by a 3 year old using their left foot


--
Richard Dakin

+++ No email please +++


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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                15-Oct-99 02:18:06
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

I've never had the problem in any OS/2 native app except while trying
to download using NS/2, but it'll allow you to proceed anyway.  Post
what apps are giving you trouble and maybe other users will know how
to help though.  Sorry.  

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:47:37 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:

>OS/2 Fan wrote:
>> 
>> Try 2GBFIX.COM, it works OK for me.  I have added the line
>> C:\OS2\MDOS\2gbfix.com
>> to my autoexec.bat, placed the file in \os2\mdos, and all is well.
>> Look in
>> Hobbes, it should be there.
>> Good luck!
>
>I also have this problem in native OS/2 apps.  Is there any possibility
>this would help that problem?  Or is the problem with the app itself?
>-- 
>Dale Erwin
>Dallas, Texas 
><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: tstreet@excel.net                                 13-Oct-99 22:23:16
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: GRADD and a G400 card

From: tom <tstreet@excel.net>


Scott wrote:

> Just on the off chance you were looking for drivers in general here's
> the latest from Matrox:
> http://www.matrox.com/mga/drivers/unified_drivers/g400_os2.htm
> Good luck looking for a new GRADD...
> tom wrote:



Thanks, I'll try them.

Tom

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From: ccsten@usa.net                                    14-Oct-99 19:31:03
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: Terry Norton <ccsten@usa.net>

This happens to me once in awhile.  Some how the INI files become
Read Only (yes I know it says this if you look at the file).  I've
never used CHECKINI, I use UniMaint.  UniMaint easily corrects the
problem by closing the WPS, then the INI files RO attribute can be
changed, then the WPS is restarted.


F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:

> =================
> Disk Error
> 
> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
> be written to disk. The updates are
> being held to automatically retry the
> operation, but will be lost if the
> system is shutdown before correcting
> the problem.
> =================

-- 

Terry Norton
Warped with OS/2

Stress is when you wake up screaming & you realize you haven't
fallen asleep yet.

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From: hal@genesisproject.com                            14-Oct-99 23:29:28
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: hal@genesisproject.com (Hal Burgiss)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:03:59 +0100, Richard Dakin
<r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net> wrote:

>Linux - Looks like it's been designed by a 3 year old using their left
>foot

Just think, if this guy is only three and was using only his left foot
and did something so wonderful, then when he turns 4 and learns to use
both feet, we will really have something! And when he's 5 and uses both
feet, plus one hand we will be talking Galactic domination instead of
just measely World domination. Man, I can't wait!!!

-- 
Hal B
hburgiss@bellsouth.net
--
            Linux helps those who help themselves

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                15-Oct-99 02:41:13
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:08:28 -0700, Bones wrote:
I have OS/2 Warp 4 Fixpack 9, RedHat Linux 5.2, and Windows NT 4 on
my system (thanks to plenty of help from the folks here who helped me
set stuff up!).  Of the 3, I like OS/2 the most.  It is a better
operating system that either Linux or NT, primarily due to the
Workplace Shell.  On the other hand, if you are like me, IBM have
absolutely no interest in you as a customer, so you can forget any
hint of support.  And don't worry about spending too much $ on
software at your local store, there won't be any on the shelves. 
It's out there, but you'll have to download it.  And if you want to
install OS/2 on a IDE drive larger than 4.3 GB, you'll need to
download a patch from IBM ("how" is anyone's guess, considering one
usually doesn't have an operational PC before installing the OS...). 
And there are a few more character-building exercises with OS/2 as
well, but despite all my complaints, I feel it is by far the best OS
of the 3 and spend more than 90% of my time using OS/2.  I certainly
wouldn't go online using a WinXX OS!  Linux has potential but suffers
from the rather myopic view that many people like configuring things
by hand.  Also, it lacks OS/2's elegant GUI (as does any other OS,
I'm afraid).  Win NT is great for a firsth try by amateurs but as a
business-class OS from a fairly large firm, it is IMO horrific.  I
rarely boot it and when I do, it's to run some demo from a magazine. 


>1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

Out of the box, NT.  OS/2 may not like your HD w/o the patch.  Linux
may be a close second to NT though, it was fairly easy although I had
trouble with LILO (that was resolved with help from these
newsgroups).  

>2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
>drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
>Win98?

You won't have to format the HD (and loose your existing data) if you
use something like Partition Magic.  I use version 3; it works well
and version 4 is way too expensive.  Have a look at 
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/faqs/multiboot.html
to see how to set up a multi-boot system, but *do* install LILO in
the ROOT directory of your Linux setup, *not* the MBR, and *don't*
try to get by without installing LILO, I never got that working. 
You'll see what I mean. 

>3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
>well as lesser known applications?

In general, no.  OS/2 can run Win3.x apps better than Win, but many
users are not old enough to know what Win3.x was...  There are lots
of apps for either OS though, search for a page called or containing
"THE OS/2 ALTERNATIVE" and you'll see a large list.  

>4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
>network cards as easily as Microsoft?

As easily, no.  But most probably better...  My experience with Win
OSs hasn't been positive so far.  I could be wrong, but that's my
experience.  

>4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
No idea there, sorry.  

>Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Back stuff up before doing anything.  You may be able to keep Win9x
and add other OSs to your system too; look at the info in the
Partition Magic book or look online for more details.  Many here have
multiboot systems with more than two OSs.  Good luck!
Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      15-Oct-99 01:47:16
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Jerry McBride [TEAM-NETREXX] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new there
¯ except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at large".

Jerry, this isn't any advocacy group (and the first post was probably just a
normal troll), but you obviously has no clue of what you talk about.

It's true that Windows 2000 is the next version of Windows NT (it used to be
called NT 5.0 before Beta 3), but please read up on the subject or try Windows
2000 (out now in RC2) before making such stupid and childish comments.

¯ Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of windows
¯ users...

And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!

[ FT to proper advocacy group ]

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: herman_r_willett@swbell.net                       14-Oct-99 18:45:19
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Herman R. Willett" <herman_r_willett@swbell.net>

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I used OS/2 - Warp for a while until Win95 came out.  I switched to it because 
that is what work used, and there were more 'off-the-shelf' applications for
it.

However, I worked as a UNIX administrator for over six years, and a
VAX/VMS/UCX adm for three, and had another box with SCO-Zenix on it.  Still, a 
lack of comercial apps for Zenix.

Well, now I have added a linux machine running Red/Hat.  I love it!!!  Plus
there are so many apps I don't lack anything.

I've been working with various operating systems since 1973, and UNIX is my
prefered.

If you want an all-around solid opsys, go with Red/Had Linux.  You will not be 
disipointed.


    Bones wrote in message ...
    I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
    and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
    have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
    and Linux recently.
    
    I have a couple of questions:
    
    1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
    professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
    2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
    drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
    Win98?
    3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
    well as lesser known applications?
    4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
    network cards as easily as Microsoft?
    4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
    
    
    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
    
    Thanks
    
    
    
    
    


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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I used OS/2 - Warp for a while until Win95
came 
out.&nbsp; I switched to it because that is what work used, and there were
more 
'off-the-shelf' applications for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>However, I worked as a UNIX administrator for over six
years, 
and a VAX/VMS/UCX adm for three, and had another box with SCO-Zenix on
it.&nbsp; 
Still, a lack of comercial apps for Zenix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Well, now I have added a linux machine running
Red/Hat.&nbsp; 
I love it!!!&nbsp; Plus there are so many apps I don't lack 
anything.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I've been working with various operating systems since 1973, 

and UNIX is my prefered.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>If you want an all-around solid opsys, go with Red/Had 
Linux.&nbsp; You will not be disipointed.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV>Bones<OSKIB@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in 
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    Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM<BR>and it's a
P3 
    550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I<BR>have used
NT 
    before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2<BR>and Linux 
    recently.<BR><BR>I have a couple of questions:<BR><BR>1) I am a fairly 
    technically apt person, but I am not a technical<BR>professional. Which of 

    these will probably be easiest to install?<BR>2) Regardless of which
system 
    I choose, will I need to reformat the hard<BR>drive first, or will if I 
    choose NT will I be able to install on top of<BR>Win98?<BR>3) Will OS2 and 

    Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as<BR>well as lesser 

    known applications?<BR>4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, 
    scanners, monitors, modems,<BR>network cards as easily as Microsoft?<BR>4) 

    If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 
    2000?<BR><BR><BR>Any feedback would be greatly 
   
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From: william1@teleport.com                             14-Oct-99 18:51:06
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: newbie install problems

From: williamd <william1@teleport.com>

In article <Pine.NEB.4.10.9910131425460.18407-100000@devnet-
fileserv.argonet.co.uk>, Nicholas Horwood says...
    
    > Most important, I only have the CD, no install disks.
    > The cd has a batch file called cdinst.bat which can create two install
    > discs but when I run it an isert disk one, i get
    > 
    > 'there was an error formating the floppy discs ...'
    > 
    > and the batch file quits.
    > 
    > The batch file was run under Win95.
    > 
    > What am i doing wrong?
    

I've had similar problems when creating floppies to install updates, video 
drivers, etc. In every case it was because of trying to do these tasks 
within Win 95. When I'd reboot to a DOS session I could format the floppy, 
copy the bat file, create the disk, or whatever without any problems. 
Might be worth a try... 


Bill

__
william1@teleport.com

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                14-Oct-99 18:50:23
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: Multimedia Folder

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Ted Miller wrote:
> 
> In message
<180F4BD428A662A8.B01BBBD42357704E.C3740A116DC45C1F@lp.airnews.net>
> - Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:39:06 -0400 writes:
> :>
> :>Doug Darrow wrote:
> :>>
> :>> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:22:01 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:
> :>>
> :>> >For some reason I don't have a Multimedia Folder on my desktop.  I
> :>> >presume it's installed because I can play midi files, avi files,
> :>> >etc. which I don't think could be done otherwise.  Is there any way
> :>> >to rebuild the multimedia folder?  Or am I going to have to do the
> :>> >entire selective install?
> :>>
> :>> Look in OS/2 System > System Setup. MM was integrated into the base OS
> :>> back in FP6 or some such.
> :>
> :>I found an object there called Multimedia Setup which opens a notebook
> :>of settings, but I'm looking for a folder that has the objects in it
> :>for the midi player, cd player, etc.
> :>--
> :>Dale Erwin
> :>Dallas, Texas
> :><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">
> 
> Hello Dale
> 
> All my multimedia objects are found in os/2 System\programa\multimedia.
> 
> Ted Miller
> ecmille@ibm.net

Thanks MUCHO.  Found it!
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                14-Oct-99 18:53:07
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

OS/2 Fan wrote:
> 
> I've never had the problem in any OS/2 native app except while trying
> to download using NS/2, but it'll allow you to proceed anyway.  Post
> what apps are giving you trouble and maybe other users will know how
> to help though.  Sorry.

Partition Magic 3.0 will not install.  I get the message that there
is not enough disk space even though there's over 6GB free in the
partition I was trying to install to.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: tjerick@ibm.net                                   14-Oct-99 23:57:03
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: AOpen AW37 Pro.

From: tjerick@ibm.net (Tim Erickson)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 03:15:41, tjerick@ibm.net (Tim Erickson) wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:54:21, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) 
> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know where I can pick up an AOpen AW37 PRO ISA sound card 
> > in Calgary?
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> > [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.
> 
> Check and see if there is an OANet in Cowtown. I was able to get an 
> AOpen here in Edmonchuk.
> 
> Tim

Ooops, I meant OA Computers, as mentioned in another post...

Tim

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                14-Oct-99 19:01:15
  To: All                                               14-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Jerry McBride wrote:
> 
> In article <38063CAF.9D90DCA0@heaven.com>,
> Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com> wrote:
> >Bones wrote:
> >>
> >> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
> >> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system.
I
> >> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> >> and Linux recently.
> >>
> >> I have a couple of questions:
> >>
> >> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> >> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
> >
> >Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
> >used OS2.
> >
> 
> What? Then how can you answer that question honestly? The fact is, I can
> install OS/2 in my sleep (NO, I won't handhold you through an installl...)
> while Linux calls for technical information that make me either drag out the
> spec sheets for various cards or open the case to see what port, irq is
being
> used for certain cards I have installed...
> 
> Come on... try OS/2... you'll be impressed.
> 
> >> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> >> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> >> Win98?
> >
> >If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
> >partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.
> >
> 
> You'll want to reformat the drive anyways... NT, OS/2, LINUX, SOLARIS or
> anything. It'd be stupid not to...
> 
> >> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> >> well as lesser known applications?
> >
> >Linux has a program that allows you to run some Windows programs called
> >WINE.
> >
> 
> OS/2 has superior win3.1 support and some win32 possibilties and that's
it...
> Linux? I never got that far into it and blew it out in favor of OS/2.
> 
> >> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> >> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
> >
> >From what I have read Linux supports more SCSI controllers than any
> >other operating system.
> >
> 
> That could be true, but you should see the supported list of scsi
controllers
> for OS/2... it's nothing sneeze at... :')
> 
> >> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
> >
> >Yes, most likely.
> >
> 
> Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new there
> except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at large".
> Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of windows
> users...
> 
> >> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> 
> You got it... Cheers,

I agree with Jerry on just about everything except the reformatting
part.
I think you wanted to keep your current system intact, right?  Of course
that was me reading between the lines.  There is no way to reformat
without losing all that.  I suggest using Partition Magic to shrink your
current partition and create a new partition on which to install OS/2.
Unlike FDISK, PM can do this without loss of data.

Unless, of course, you really weren't looking to keep your current
system.
Then, by all means, REFORMAT.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin/index.html">

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               14-Oct-99 20:45:19
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Codec

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

Where do you get the latest Codec for win-OS2? Real player gives me an error
and complains about a DLL and the need for a Codec upgrade.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     15-Oct-99 00:50:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: RMVIEW 

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

In <38056ddd$2$ugenivf$mr2ice@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, htravis@ibm.net (Harry
Travis) writes:
>In <7tvfmn$e89$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, on 10/12/99 
>   at 02:13 PM, frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney) said:
--snip--
>>RMVIEW only reports back what Resource Manager-aware drivers report to
>>it - a driver that doesn't tell the OS/2 Resource Manager that the
>>driver plans to use (say) IRQ15 can still use the IRQ, but RMVIEW won't
>>report it ("Hey!  Nobody told ME!").  Since RM was introduced in Warp
>>(3.0), any pre-3.0 driver fits this description; unfortunately, I
>>understand it's also true for some post-3.0 drivers (sigh).
>
>Not so.  RMVIEW does report it, but not with the /irq option, as it
>would be reasonable to expect. Instead, try rmview /d  . Then search the
>output for "irq", and I think every device claiming one  will show up.
>Dunno why. ..

Harry,

What you're saying seems odd...  and does not match either my
expectations or my experience.  Would you mind posting the output from
your RMVIEW /IRQ and the IRQ lines from RMVIEW /D back here so I can see
what you're talking about?

From my system:

    [0 G:\ibmiak]rmview /d | grep IRQ | sort
      IRQ Level =  0  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level =  1  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level =  2  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level =  3  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  4  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  5  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  6  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  7  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
      IRQ Level =  8  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level =  9  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = SHARED
      IRQ Level = 12  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE
      IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED

versus (with some manual wrapping):

    [0 G:\ibmiak]rmview /irq
    RMVIEW: Physical view
      IRQ Level =  0  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
      IRQ Level =  1  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0
          Keyboard Controller
      IRQ Level =  2  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
      IRQ Level =  3  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_1
          Serial Controller
      IRQ Level =  4  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0
          Serial Controller
      IRQ Level =  5  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  Crystal
          Business Audio
      IRQ Level =  6  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0
          Floppy Controller
      IRQ Level =  7  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  PARALLEL_0
          Parallel Port Adapter
      IRQ Level =  8  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
      IRQ Level =  9  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = SHARED       AIC7870_0 
          Adaptec AIC7870
      IRQ Level = 12  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2
          Auxiliary Device Controller
      IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0
          ST506/IDE Controller

Neither of these listings show my "NE2000 clone" LAN adapter using 
IOA=0x300 and IRQ10.


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: nospam.neil.mcguigan@bigfoot.com                  14-Oct-99 18:06:09
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Chief" <nospam.neil.mcguigan@bigfoot.com>

here's my five cents:

1) Linux is free, as are all of its applications. if you want to learn c,
you can customize it to your hearts content. the only thing you pay for in
Linux is the nice packaging and support. it is entirely *legal* to copy
someone else's disk. you can run a program called star office, which is an
MS clone, and is compatible with MS office documents. also free. nt and
win2k are freaking expensive, the full version of ntw4 is at least 200 bucks
(Canadian).

2) the driver support for Linux is not complete. of course it is also not
complete for nt or win2k, but is better for nt at least. check the hardware
compatibility lists for each os and your hardware. win98 probably has the
best hardware compatibility, although nt isn't bad if you don't want to
worry about having certified drivers.

3) the application support is best on win98, as it will play the most games,
and 16 bit apps. most games will not play on nt, or if they do, will play
much better on 98 due to better directx support.

4) win98 crashes like a Hungarian bus on the Italian alps in February. nt is
very stable if you have certified hardware and drivers, and don't fuck
around with it regularly like I do. I've heard Linux is incredibly stable.
read an article about a guy that has run it for over 2 years without a
stall.

5) win98 sets up like a pair of silk panties. very smooth. nt isn't bad
either, but takes a bit of tweaking. I had to manually install my sound and
video drivers, and the plug n play service. I heard BeOS has the best set-up
program.

6) personally, I have a dual boot system, with win98 for games, nt for real
work. since I am not in a mission critical enterprise, I will probably
upgrade to win2k as soon as the final release comes out. I say this because
of that old rule 'if it aunt broke don't fix it', and upgrading to win2k
from an operating nt4 system would be foolhardy in a mission critical
enterprise. unless the risks of a more user friendly os outweigh the risks
of using a new, less-extensively tested one.


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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    15-Oct-99 01:10:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

Csaba Raduly <csaba.raduly@sophos.com> wrote:
>Peter Moylan wrote:
 
>> It's not specifically a Windows problem.  It's an arithmetic
>> overflow, it occurs in a lot of older software, and it happens
>> because the original programmers never expected to have to deal
>> with such large numbers.  (Also, the world seems to be filled with
>> crazy programmers who insist on using _signed_ arithmetic to
>> calculate file sizes ... but that's a different rant.)
>> 
>They have to :-(
>Some functions return -1 on failure instead of the file size.

I'm very tempted to go into my standard explanation of why you
shouldn't use C or C++ for real-world applications, but it's the
wrong newsgroup for that.  Nevertheless ...

Most of my OS/2 programming is done in Modula-2, and because of that
I've had to translate C header files (for the sockets interface, for
example) into Modula-2.  A recurring problem with that kind of 
translation is that I keep discovering functions that take parameters,
or return results, of type "unsigned int" but which use -1 as a
special-case value: usually an error flag.  You can get away with
that in C, but in a language whose compilers do type consistency
checking you get compiler error messages saying you've done
something stupid.

The obvious work-around is to change those variables to being
signed variables, but that has disadvantages:
 (a) it puts an artificial restriction on the range of values,
     leading to unexpected paradoxes like negative free space
     on a disk;
 (b) it damages the readability of the software sources, because
     you're doing signed arithmetic on things that logically
     ought to be unsigned; and any damage to readability is, in
     my opinion, the primary cause of software bugs.

My work-around is a little different: I use MAX(CARDINAL) (that is,
the maximum unsigned value) as the special-case value.  This lets
me write software that is more readable - things that ought to
be unsigned are declared as unsigned - while still being
compatible with those library functions that want to return -1 as
an unsigned number.

The C programmers could have done the same, of course, but the lax
language rules never forced them to think about the issue.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      14-Oct-99 21:18:02
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <3805ba09.1704817@news.webryders.com>, mail@ibexmfg.com (RCW) writes:

>As information for others like me who may be in the dark about this
>subject, here's what worked for me.
>
>I copied gzip.exe as gunzip.exe.  I opened up the gunzip.exe property
>notebook and added -d to the parameters line.  Now there's no need to
>use a OS/2 command window  - just drag and drop the .gz file onto the
>gunzip.exe icon and voila.

Actually, there's no need to make that extra copy of gzip.  Just
create a program object pointing to gzip.exe, with "-d" in the
parameters field and it will work just fine.  You can have other
program objects pointing to gzip.exe with other parameters (or no
parameters) if you wish.

-John (John.Thompson@attglobal.net)

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From: ktkelvin@yahoo.com                                15-Oct-99 09:32:09
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Kelvin Tsang <ktkelvin@yahoo.com>

I have Win2K installed on two PC here, and awared that
the method Win2K uses to prevent crashes is to prevent
user put anything, which are not well proved to be safe,
on the system. Of course users still able to install whatever
they want, but then M$ won't take the responsibility in
case of system crash.
Kelvin
--
#-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#
Hong Kong OS/2 User Group
http://www.os2.org.hk
news://www.freeforum.org/comp.os.os2

Psion Fan Club - Hong Kong
http://
news://www.freeforum.org/comp.pda.psion
#-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#



Martin Nisshagen wrote:

> It's true that Windows 2000 is the next version of Windows NT (it used to be
> called NT 5.0 before Beta 3), but please read up on the subject or try
Windows
> 2000 (out now in RC2) before making such stupid and childish comments.
>
> ¯ Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of
windows
> ¯ users...
>
> And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!
>
>
> m a r t i n | n

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          15-Oct-99 09:32:13
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On 14 Oct 1999 14:21:40 GMT, Stefan A. Deutscher wrote:

:>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:59:22 -0700, Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu> wrote:
:>>
:>>> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:56, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)
:>>> wrote:
:>>>
:>>> This has traditionally been a problem-solving rather than
:>>> evangelizing forum, and often provides the technical information and
:>>> support for OS/2  that IBM no longer provides.  It is an extremely
:>>> valuable resource to those of us who have more pressing problems than
:>>> anxiety fits over whether IBM loves us enough.
:>>>
:>>> But it won't stay that way if individuals such as yourself and Mr
:>>> (Linux is) Wonderful start spamming it with advocacy.
:>
:>>So this news group has been traditionally used for solving OS/2
:>>problems right?
:>
:>>That is exactly my point.  Linux solves OS/2 problems.  OS/2 as  a
:>>guest operating system under Linux is a legitimate future for OS/2.  If
:>>IBM does not port OS/2 to IA-64 then without a solution like Linux and
:>>Vmware,  we are really going to have some problems in this news group
:>>to solve.
:>>
:>>I am not an IBM basher, I'm just saying that to truly extend the life
:>>of OS/2 you have to find some way to get it to hardware platforms other
:>>than the 32-bit Intel platforms because those platforms will be
:>>obsolete in about two years.  In two years a 386 or 486 system will be
:>>as antiquated as a 8086, and 80286 is today.  In four years a Pentium
:>>233 will be antiquated as a 8086 and 80286 is today.  If the users in
:>>this group intend on still using  OS/2  on computers in 5 years some
:>>very serious efforts will have to be made to make that happen.   Linux
:>>+ Vmware is a possible solution.  An IBM port is a possible solution.
:>
:>Very eloquent. Nevertheless, the statement
:>
:>   "If the users in this group intend on still using OS/2 on computers
:>   in 5 years some very serious efforts will have to be made to make
:>   that happen." 
:>
:>is somewhat demagogic and at its core wrong. 
:>
:>What should keep users in this group to continue to work for 5+ years
:>with OS/2 on the hardware they have? 
:>
:>I am working mostly on my ThinkPad 365xd, which is an iP5-120 (w/o L2
:>cache, only 40 MB RAM and 4 GB disk). Lowtech by now. Slower even than
:>my at some time fire-breathing iPPro-150 with a whopping 192 MB RAM and
:>5 GB SCSI disk system. Also LowTech by now. Still, I don't bother even
:>booting the PPro all that often. 
:>
:>The point being: For what I do with my PCs, even an iP5-120 with OS/2
:>Warp 4 is fast enough. So, IA64 or not, right now I don't see that I'll
:>ditch my well-working system, just to learn, and then switch to, another
:>one which "allows" me to spend money on and then use new hardware which
:>in turn would wait even faster for my input.

<SNIP>

Well, I for one am disappointed. I just upgraded to a Celeron 400 and 128Mb
RAM and my typing speed hasn't improved at all <vbg> 

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: brandin1@flash.net                                15-Oct-99 03:57:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Chaotic Thought <brandin1@flash.net>

That sounds like a Microsoft-style business tactic far more than it
sounds like a method to "prevent crashes".

Kelvin Tsang wrote:
> 
> I have Win2K installed on two PC here, and awared that
> the method Win2K uses to prevent crashes is to prevent
> user put anything, which are not well proved to be safe,
> on the system. Of course users still able to install whatever
> they want, but then M$ won't take the responsibility in
> case of system crash.
> Kelvin
> --
> #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#
> Hong Kong OS/2 User Group
> http://www.os2.org.hk
> news://www.freeforum.org/comp.os.os2
> 
> Psion Fan Club - Hong Kong
> http://
> news://www.freeforum.org/comp.pda.psion
> #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#
> 
> Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> 
> > It's true that Windows 2000 is the next version of Windows NT (it used to
be
> > called NT 5.0 before Beta 3), but please read up on the subject or try
Windows
> > 2000 (out now in RC2) before making such stupid and childish comments.
> >
> > ¯ Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of
windows
> > ¯ users...
> >
> > And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!
> >
> >
> > m a r t i n | n

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             15-Oct-99 03:59:19
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: Help!  Can't create Utility Diskettes

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:47:15, Darryl Sperber <sperber@airmail.net> wrote:

> Only Warp 4 has the ability to recreate these diskettes using "original GA"
> files or building a "most current" set of boot diskettes.
 
> >  If that does not help, look at the source directory for the utility disk
> >  files.

> What?  I don't understand this sentence.  By "source directory" are you
> alluding to the INPUT files to the copy process?  If so, that is really my
> question... because I don't know what this directory would be if it's not
> \OS2\BOOT, etc.

Just use the directory that sysinstx resides in for the source.

\os2\install\bootdisk in Warp 3. 

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  14-Oct-99 22:56:17
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:15
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

You are not alone.  I have seen this message for the first time ever
since applying FP12.  I am going to post this over in comp.os.os2.bugs
as well.  I also have a problem with an application called PMPDF that
updates OS2SYS.INI with some port driver information.  OS2SYS.INI never
gets updated.  If I use UniMaint and do the update, it shows up as
changed in OS2SYS.INI, but the info is not carried across a re-boot.

F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:
> 
> Suddenly today I got this message:
> 
> =================
> Disk Error
> 
> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
> be written to disk. The updates are
> being held to automatically retry the
> operation, but will be lost if the
> system is shutdown before correcting
> the problem.
> =================
> 
> What is this? How can I correct this? Is it bad to shutdown before
> resolving the problem? What will happen then???
> 
> I tried CheckIni (Henk Kelder's) but with no results.
> 
> Frits
> 
> --
> ----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
>            there is no truth or reality
>        but only aspects and interpretations
> -------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
>   created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 15-Oct-99 04:44:19
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <uNHS95pF$GA.276@cppssbbsa04>, "Herman R. Willett"
<herman_r_willett@swbell.net> writes:
>
>I used OS/2 - Warp for a while until Win95 came out.  I switched to it =
>because that is what work used, and there were more 'off-the-shelf' =
>applications for it.
>
>However, I worked as a UNIX administrator for over six years, and a =
>VAX/VMS/UCX adm for three, and had another box with SCO-Zenix on it.  =
>Still, a lack of comercial apps for Zenix.
>
>Well, now I have added a linux machine running Red/Hat.  I love it!!!  =
>Plus there are so many apps I don't lack anything.
>
>I've been working with various operating systems since 1973, and UNIX is =
>my prefered.
>
>If you want an all-around solid opsys, go with Red/Had Linux.  You will =
>not be disipointed.
>

is anyone else cynical enough to distrust a Unix administrator who 
used the system for years without knowing that Xenix is spelled with 
two 'X' es ? 

 
--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd



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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                14-Oct-99 20:56:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <i2oGOHeMnO6RiiXsSgO6QpmQ2fpw@news.kraftwerk.net>,
Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:
>Jerry McBride [TEAM-NETREXX] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
>» Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new there
>» except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at large".
>
>Jerry, this isn't any advocacy group (and the first post was probably just a
>normal troll), but you obviously has no clue of what you talk about.
>
>It's true that Windows 2000 is the next version of Windows NT (it used to be
>called NT 5.0 before Beta 3), but please read up on the subject or try
Windows
>2000 (out now in RC2) before making such stupid and childish comments.
>

Nothing personal, Martin. I've seen you in these OS/2 groups for a while
now...
But as for "stupid and childish"... go screw yourself...

>» Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of
windows
>» users...
>
>And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!
>

Like it really matters? Come on... be real...

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From: oskib@hotmail.com                                 14-Oct-99 22:44:00
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com>

Thanks everyone for all of your valuable input. I must say that after
reading everything I am TERRIFIED about actually trying to install any of
the Win98 alternatives. It seems that so much can go wrong, I can just
imagine hours and hours of frustrations. Perhaps waiting for Win2k is the
best bet. I just really hate Win98. I just got this computer and I started
getting the predictable crashes already. I used NT for a while on another
system and it crashed as well, but at least when an application crashed, it
didn't usually bring the whole operating system down with it.

I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups. I can usually figure
out the glitches but not without lots of hair pulling. I should have just
had the system shipped with NT when I bought it from Gateway. Oh Well...too
late now.






Bones <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com...
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?
> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?
> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: rsanford@.REMOVEFIRST.telusplane...               15-Oct-99 06:05:14
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 02:48:16
Subj: Re: AOpen AW37 Pro.

Message sender: rsanford@.REMOVEFIRST.telusplanet.net

From: rsanford@.REMOVEFIRST.telusplanet.net (Ralph Sanford)

In message
<dF1xEfk5flPE-pn2-sQ9TKdXzlqV5@h-207-148-138-86.dial.cadvision.com> -
rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) writes:
:>
:>Does anyone know where I can pick up an AOpen AW37 PRO ISA sound card 
:>in Calgary?
:>
:>Best Regards,
:>Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
:>[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.


Try ICS, Intelligent Computer Solutions, located at Centre St and
McKnight.  They had those cards around last Christmas.


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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 09:27:27
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <3806B402.4F2F4528@ibm.net>, on 10/14/1999 
   at 10:56 PM, Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net> said:

>You are not alone.  I have seen this message for the first time ever
>since applying FP12.  I am going to post this over in
>comp.os.os2.bugs as well.  I also have a problem with an application

It's also my first time since OS/2 2.1......
I was just to post my message there as well and found your's at the
check (on arrival).

>called PMPDF that updates OS2SYS.INI with some port driver
>information.  OS2SYS.INI never gets updated.  If I use UniMaint and
>do the update, it shows up as changed in OS2SYS.INI, but the info is
>not carried across a re-boot.


Frits

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           there is no truth or reality
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From: jktross@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu                       15-Oct-99 02:41:03
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Jim Ross" <jktross@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu>

Bones <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com...
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

NT.

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?

NO.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?

NO.

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

Linux yes
OS/2 no

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
Likely.

Jim


>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: jktross@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu                       15-Oct-99 02:46:13
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Jim Ross" <jktross@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu>

Bones <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2czN3.13$2d.2531@newsin1.ispchannel.com...
> Thanks everyone for all of your valuable input. I must say that after
> reading everything I am TERRIFIED about actually trying to install any of
> the Win98 alternatives. It seems that so much can go wrong, I can just
> imagine hours and hours of frustrations. Perhaps waiting for Win2k is the
> best bet. I just really hate Win98. I just got this computer and I started
> getting the predictable crashes already. I used NT for a while on another
> system and it crashed as well, but at least when an application crashed,
it
> didn't usually bring the whole operating system down with it.
>
> I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
> expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups. I can usually figure
> out the glitches but not without lots of hair pulling. I should have just
> had the system shipped with NT when I bought it from Gateway. Oh
Well...too
> late now.

If you really wanted a more powerful OS, were ready, and could make
tradeoffs then
Linux would be for you.  This isn't a putdown.  You really must trade things
off like Windows app support.  Needing a very smooth upgrade from even
Microsoft is pushing it.  You can't ask that from a Unix style OS, which is
fundamently very different.
For me I don't buy software from stores, I'm cheap, I have time to learn and
start over, and don't want crashing.  The question is is stability the most
important thing to you?  For many/most people no.  For me sure. Linux is
right for me.
Jim


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From: mike@lionsgate.com                                15-Oct-99 06:55:02
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: mike@lionsgate.com

As I was driving home today, I was thinking about all the
technology that IBM has done that the marketing department has
really screwed up.  I came up with these 4 examples....

Do any of you out there know of others?

Microchannel  Far ahead of the ISA buss, as well as the EISA
buss, and only matched today with the PCI Buss.

MWave         Really an engineering and software marvel. Actead
as a sound card, and a Modeom at 33600

Token Ring Lan Adapter  Only today with switching hubs can
Ethernet match what Token ring did 10 years ago!

OS/2.         Far ahead of Windows even today.



How long will it take Gerstner to realise that IBM's technical
prowess is second to none?  The IBM marketing dept has screwed
up more times than any other company in any industry.  It is
only the inertia of such a large company that they can continue,
blind to the fact that they cannot market their way out of a wet
paper bag!  Now IBM is considering slicing off all desktop PC
production to Dell and Acer.....  however it is not the hardware
division of IBM that is at fault but rather the marketing dept.
In a few years IBM will be strictly a service company and no
longer an innovative computer company.  Has anyone ever sent a
message like this to Gerstner?

No other company in the computer business has blown the
marketing sooo badly.  Surely this must be on the minds of a few
IBMers?




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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 15-Oct-99 05:13:03
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <vygFOPiWTPygFwobGS6QH=4QUuPe@news.kraftwerk.net>, Martin Nisshagen
<forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:
>>If a user don't consider taking down and restarting the whole system just to
>access different applications is any real option to use daily, the type of
>software like VMware could mean that instead of ditching OS/2 to not be used
>frequently (or at all), it can continue to be run under Linux, NT4 or
Win2000.
>

what we'd LIKE to do is have a VMWare server for OS/2, so we can run the 
occasionally necessary nasty Windows app, not put up with the *worst* of 
both worlds. So if ya wanna plug VMWare, how's about something useful,
an OS/2 SERVER for $ 99?? As soon as they offer that, my cash's en route . . .


>VMware gives OS/2 users *more* options to be able to continue to use OS/2
>daily, including for software development (makes it easier for developers to
>both develop and test cross platform applications), which very likely will
>benefit also the "OS/2 only" users who can get more software to choose from.
>
>Sorry if I sound like a VMware salesman, but IMO: it's a really great thing.
>
>[ I also apologize if anyone consider this to be off topic for thread/group ]
>
>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n
>
>-- 
>Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
>CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
>d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw


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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 09:15:00
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <7u5mf0$cs0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 10/14/1999 
   at 10:45 PM, hunters@thunder.indstate.edu said:

>> What is this? How can I correct this? Is it bad to shutdown before
>> resolving the problem? What will happen then???

>Sounds to me like your harddrive is going to kick the bucket.

Otherwise it seems to work just fine. I can read from it and write to
it.... I just copied my java11 tree (about 100 MB?) to C: without any
problem. So the HDD (GB, 2 partitions: W95 system and OS/2 system, no
data- or program files on the OS/2 partition other than the system
etc) seems okay.

>Do you keep getting the error, or was it just the one time? I had a

The error message window is still popping up (12 hours after the
start) every few minutes.

>424MB WD Caviar drive that got the same problem after I put Warp4 on
>it, but the error message popped-up many many times. I remembered
>that I had dropped the drive the day before (from about 2' too,
>ouch!) and it was most likely damaged.

>I suggest you backup what you want to keep to a known good drive or
>removable media and run some diagnostics on the drive. If it's under
>warranty still, call the manufacturer to see what they reccomend. I
>know WD has a nice diagnostics program.


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
  created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 09:08:04
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <slrn80cgbm.7l.uno@sage.40th.com>, on 10/14/1999 
   at 08:48 PM, uno@40th.com (uno@40th.com) said:


>As I recall, OS/2 doesn't use OS2*.INI during normal operation.  What
>it does is it uses OS2*.! (something like that), and then, every now
>and then, copies that (*.!) to OS2*.INI.  So, hm, well, I've seen
>that error maybe once or twice before, but I think that was way back
>in Warp3 (where INI corruption/problems were common -- never had a
>problem in W4/ GA).

OS2.!!! is 0 bytes and not changed since the last change of OS2.INI,
that is yesterday at 17:30.

>What you might want to do is copy the os2*.! files someplace safe,
>and if needed, copy those over the current os2*.ini files (floppy
>boot). If the ini files are okay (ie, not corrupt) then chances are
>none of this matters (maybe you'll lose a window's posistion,
>whatever).

Seems useless to me to copy empty files.....

>Or, you might try, once you back up the os2*.! and os2*.ini files, to
>shutdown pmshell and let it restart (but don't do it just because I
>say to).  If still problems, then C-A-D (close everything first).  If
>you still get the "can't write ini..." then do a regular shutdown. 
>If still a problem, pull the plug.  If still a problem, pick up the
>monitor and toss it across the room.

I'd better wait for other suggestions first ;-) Especially for that
last one.


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 09:13:03
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <J8TqGkcvSg25-pn2-gJuNSMju0d4h@localhost>, on 10/14/1999 
   at 09:39 PM, lyn@zolotek.REMOVE-SPAM.com said:

>> =================
>> Disk Error
>> 
>> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
>> be written to disk. The updates are
>> being held to automatically retry the
>> operation, but will be lost if the
>> system is shutdown before correcting
>> the problem.
>> =================

>Happened to me the other day too, after the swapper grew to ~300mb. I
> ran checkini /C, but the WPS would not restart so I had to CAD. No 
>problems, it rebooted fine.

If everybody here garantees me that I can reboor without problems,
it's the first thing I'll do. As long as people warn me for exactly
that, I'm waiting for better suggestions.


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
  created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 09:00:12
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <380667BA.3490F65E@usa.net>, on 10/14/1999 
   at 07:31 PM, Terry Norton <ccsten@usa.net> said:

>This happens to me once in awhile.  Some how the INI files become
>Read Only (yes I know it says this if you look at the file).  I've

I've seen this, changed it and later changed it back. No influence on
the case.

>never used CHECKINI, I use UniMaint.  UniMaint easily corrects the
>problem by closing the WPS, then the INI files RO attribute can be
>changed, then the WPS is restarted.

Maybe I have to look for this UniMaint somewhere..... Is it on hobbes?


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
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From: enpeso@teleco.upv.es                              15-Oct-99 06:31:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: enpeso@teleco.upv.es (Enrique Perez Soler)

In article <rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com>,
   "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote:


It is such a pity to realize how a so nice request has become another infinte 
Win vs the rest discussion...

_____________________________________________

Enrique Pérez Soler

email : enpeso@teleco.upv.es
	kyke@ieee.org
web   : ttt.teleco.upv.es\~enpeso

"El bit es al hombre lo que el átomo a Dios"
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From: cbzh@my-deja.com                                  15-Oct-99 07:40:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: cbzh@my-deja.com

In article <rMqN3.49$l8.10042@newsin1.ispchannel.com>,
  "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs
of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating
system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about
OS2
> and Linux recently.

Ok, In my eyes this depends mainly upon what you are going to do with
your computer! What means "powerful"??

Speaking for myself, I had some (bad) experiences with having to write a
book on a Win95 system - but part of the bad experiences the OS is not
to blame for but MS Word (Key words: bad conversion between different
Word versions, dependency of the formatting on the printer used...). Ok,
some crashes might be a result of OS flaws - no idea, won't go back
there...

Now I am working professionally as a developer on a NT system, and again
the not so very good experiences are mainly due to the programs used
here: MS Visual Studio with Visual C++. At least I have less problems
with system crashes...

At home I am working with OS/2 (and nothing else) since about 1992 and
after the above mentioned experiences I am still convinced that I have
installed the best thing available in this world. Here too I have no
problems with crashes. I write everything from letters to books with
"Papyrus", a small but powerful text program that has none of the
shortcomings of MS Word I mentioned (and most of its strengths - and
comes on just 2 or 3 diskettes including the dictionaries in several
languages!) I am programming a lot also at home, using IBM VisualAge C++
(Version 3 with all fixes, not Version 4!), and also this I prefer much
over the MS Visual xyz products.

Ok, I do not have any first-hand Linux experience, I am not a gamer and
I do not upgrade my computer every two weeks with the latest hardware.

If you have any intentions in the latter two directions, either stay
with Win98 completely or keep it at least as a booting alternative on
your harddisk! Shouldn't be an issue with the current HD sizes.

>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

With this background you should be able to install all the systems, I
suppose.

> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the
hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top
of
> Win98?

You cannot install any of the systems _over_ a Win95/98 installation,
but if you want to keep it, use PartitionMagic to repartition your hard
disk and install any other system _along with_ your current, together
with any boot manager (A version of the OS/2 boot manager comes with
PartitionMagic). You will even find file system drivers for accessing
your old partitions for all the systems you mentioned.

> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken
as
> well as lesser known applications?

No, they won't, but you have a choice of similar products: MS does not
port any software to competing OS'es - and if you really want to use
Windows software, why don't you stay with it?? Sometimes you will have
to look for the alternative products on other systems; they are mostly
not found in the shops (but on the internet). If you like it very "MS
Office like" but still better and cheaper (i.e. for free): Try
StarOffice: You get it for all the systems you are considering, directly
from Sun via download or on a CD.

> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?

Of course not - not even Windows NT can do that! If you are using
anything but Win95/98 you will have to find your drivers on the
Internet, but once you found the "hot places" you will get almost
everything you need for all the systems. BUT: If you really want to just
go into any computer shop and buy what you see without thinking about
drivers: Stay with Win98!!

> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

No idea about that. Maybe you don't want to pay twice ??

>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>


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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                15-Oct-99 07:02:16
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 05:27:03
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:31:06, Terry Norton <ccsten@usa.net> wrote:
> F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:
> 
> > =================
> > Disk Error
> > 
> > The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
> > be written to disk. The updates are
> > being held to automatically retry the
> > operation, but will be lost if the
> > system is shutdown before correcting
> > the problem.
> > =================

> This happens to me once in awhile.  Some how the INI files become
> Read Only (yes I know it says this if you look at the file).  I've
> never used CHECKINI, I use UniMaint.  UniMaint easily corrects the
> problem by closing the WPS, then the INI files RO attribute can be
> changed, then the WPS is restarted.

An easy, anyone-can-do-it fix is to boot to a command line, then enter
  attrib -s-r \os2\os2sys.ini
Reboot and the problem is solved (until next time).

Whether anything of value will be lost depends on whether you have
manipulated any files that the WPS is tracking.  For example, if you
installed a new app and created a program object, the object's references
to the exe and its working directory will be lost.  OTOH, if you didn't
do anything special, you'll never notice the difference.  If this
problem had involved os2.ini, you could lose newly-created program
objects or shadows, but more likely, you'd only lose the updates to
some apps' window positions.


   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 15-Oct-99 01:41:12
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>
spake unto us, saying:

>Obviously, a realistic future for OS/2 is as a guest operating system
>in a Vmware environment under Linux.

Yes, for some of us that would be a good thing, although I admit I use
OS/2 more because I like the general "feel" of the environment than the
fact that it has any software in particular that I'd miss.  Except for
my newsreader, I guess.

Otherwise, I use roughly the same core software on OS/2 and Linux.

>I hope my friends that you can see this. A push for VMware to support OS/2
>is the real move that we should be making.  www.vmware.com

I agree that folks who are interested in that (like I am) should show
the VMWare folks that they are interested in having OS/2 supported as
a client OS.

I suspect we won't see a VMWare server for OS/2, which is a pity.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                                Ni!  :-)

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 15-Oct-99 01:15:08
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?

Any operating system (including Windows flavors) has the potential to
become a pain during installation if you have any hardware which isn't
supported by the installation software.

Some Linux distributions are "easy" to install, particularly those
which can install in a directory on an existing Windows drive using
either the UMSDOS filesystem (like Slackware has had for years) or
whatever it is that WinLinux2000 uses (probably the same)

Other Linux distributions can be more or less involved depending on how
you're installing them.

OS/2 isn't bad to install in general (easier than some Linux flavors,
harder than others), but you do need to be aware that even Warp 4 is
around three years old now, and some hardware items (particularly large
IDE drives) were not particularly common then and might require some
special steps (a new IDE driver) during the installation process.

In general, though, I'd say that knowledge of basic "PC" concepts like
hard disk partitioning is essential for doing installations of a second
or sunsequent OS on a particular PC unless it uses some sort of trick
for making things easier (like UMSDOS).

>2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the
>hard drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install
>on top of Win98?

I created separate partitions for NT and Win95 on my second box just so
I could keep the two separate from each other.  But I think you can set
up NT and Win98 in the same primary partition.  Not sure, tho.

It really depends on what you want to do with your setup.  Chances are
you won't "need" to do anything, but there are lots of possible final
configurations.  It's hard to discuss itmeaningfully without knowing
your configuration plans.

>3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken
>as well as lesser known applications?

Neither Linux nor OS/2 will run 32-bit Windows applications out of the
box.

However, at least one project still exists on the OS/2 side of life to
run Win32 software (doesn't run may application yet), and OS/2 can run
most DOS and Windows 3.1 software out of the box (including Quicken).

On Linux, you can use a package called Wine (an on-the-fly Windows->X
API translator) to run some newer Windows software, but it's not yet
considered "production quality", and Linux also has VMWare, which will
emulate a Virtual Machine and boot a real copy of Windows NT or 9x
inside itself.

Each of those OSes has a native Netscape and a native StarOffice, and
other native applications might be able to replace what you're wanting
to use, but again it depends on what you're looking for.

>4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors,
>modems, network cards as easily as Microsoft?

Since it's the dominant software platform by a wide margin, Windows
generally gets support first from the vendors, and the other OSes
generally have to play catch-up.  Linux in particular gets somewhat
less support from vendors (though that's changing slowly), but it also
has a very active development community which writes many (most?) of
its own drivers.

If you want to use an alternative OS, though (something which isn't
Windows 9x), it generally pays to try to use "mainstream" hardware
whenever possible, and it also generally pays to spend a little bit of
time doing research via DejaNews or other tools before purchasing
anything to make sure that it works with the OS(es) you're using.

Both OS/2 and Linux generally do fairly well as far as things like SCSI
controllers and network cards are concerned.  All of my boxes here are
SCSI boxes (using Adaptec 2940U's or 2940UW's).

Modems can be a problem nowadays because many new modems are partially
or entirely implemented in software to cut costs, meaning the driver is
essentially a modem emulator talking to an interface card.

Monitors generally don't care about drivers or OSes in general, since
they talk directly to the video card.

I can't say much about scanners, since they don't interest me (and I
know very littel about them).

>4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

Since Windows 2000 doesn't exist in final form yet, that's a fairly
difficult question.  Will the software you need run on Windows 2000?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           You gotta know when to code 'em, know when to modem.

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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            15-Oct-99 10:37:06
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:55:05 GMT, mike@lionsgate.com wrote:

>No other company in the computer business has blown the
>marketing sooo badly.  Surely this must be on the minds of a few
>IBMers?

I heard something related to this some weeks ago: IBM killed more of their
own technologies than all other companies together ever developed. Sad but
true...

cu

Adrian


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 15-Oct-99 03:21:20
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Thanks everyone for all of your valuable input. I must say that after
>reading everything I am TERRIFIED about actually trying to install any
>of the Win98 alternatives.

Heh.  :-)  Yes, it's true that things can "go wrong", but experience
builds confidence.  A good backup mechanism can do wonders for one's
confidence level, also!

>I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
>expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups.

The amount of knowledge required seems larger than it really is, but I
can understand why it'd be daunting.  When I first started playing with
multiple OSes 7 years ago I remember being a little nervous.  :-)

One way to learn about a new OS without risking your existing setup is
to purchase a second (inexpensive) machine.  I've seen Pentium-class
boxes sold on the web for under $100 (w/o a monitor).

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
               All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.

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From: r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net                          15-Oct-99 09:36:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "Richard Dakin" <r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net>

Hal Burgiss <hal@genesisproject.com> wrote in message
news:VHtN3.2776$EV2.17009@news4.atl...
> On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:03:59 +0100, Richard Dakin
> <r.dakin@nospamvirgin.net> wrote:
>
> >Linux - Looks like it's been designed by a 3 year old using their left
> >foot
>
> Just think, if this guy is only three and was using only his left foot
> and did something so wonderful, then when he turns 4 and learns to use
> both feet, we will really have something! And when he's 5 and uses both
> feet, plus one hand we will be talking Galactic domination instead of
> just measely World domination. Man, I can't wait!!!

Heh?
I said it *looked* like it had been designed by, not that it was.
The fact that adults were responsible makes matters worse.


--
Richard Dakin

+++ No email please +++


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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      15-Oct-99 19:19:24
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: Rexx script to change multiple objects

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:21:37, rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh) wrote:

> This REXX script resets the type for .jar and .exe files to 'ZIP File'
> so they can be used with OD's zip folder feature.  You should be able
> to modify it easily to reset your files to type 'MP3'.
> 
> You'll want to change the list of extensions it works on, and the
> line which defines the new type from
>     typeval = 'DFFF 0000 0100 FDFF 0800'X || 'ZIP File'
> to
>     typeval = 'DFFF 0000 0100 FDFF 0300'X || 'MP3'

Thanks.. I'll give it a try. At the moment, I've got a great script from Rolf 
who sent me an email. It works sometimes though and at the moment I can't
figure
out why it would convert all the files in a directory to a different type but 
not in another. There doesn't seem to be any difference as both directories
have
files with spaces and both are on HPFS drives.

Hmm..


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 11:54:15
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

sartory wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> OS2 depends mostly on hardware vendors to write drivers
> compatible with OS2. Fewer & fewer now do that as OS2 loses
> market share. If you choose OS2 you need to make a careful
> selection of a video adaptor card in particular.

<snip>

Actually it is my impression that the opposite is the case!

The holes in the support, ex: the Creative Labs support, is old
news, their last dricer was a AWE64-ISA Beta!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 11:44:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: Codec

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

/2 User wrote:
> 
> Where do you get the latest Codec for win-OS2? Real player gives me an error
> and complains about a DLL and the need for a Codec upgrade.

Try <http://www.netlabs.org/odin/>

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 11:56:13
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

BeLlErTo wrote:
> 
> Its really not that hard to decide....
> 
> OS2 - SUX
> WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
> Linux - Linux

OS2 - OS/2
WINNT - Sux
Linux - Immature

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                15-Oct-99 09:20:13
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: WIN-OS/2 can't see my Gold Card Modem

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:28:57, Dr Geoff Hogan <g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

> Please excuse me if this kind of question has already been answered in
> an FAQ, just please tell me where to find it!
> 
> I have OS/2 Warp Connect on my ThinkPad (755CX).  I recently changed to
> a Psion Dacom Gold Card PCMCIA modem, which works fine with the native
> OS/2 programmes.  However it is supplied with software to allow it to be
> set to be used in different countries (rcognise dial tones, etc).  This
> is supplied as Windows software.  I installed the Win 3.1 version under
> WIN-OS/2 where it runs, but cannot see the modem (just tells me that COM
> 2, that it is using, is unavailable).
> 
> I have gone throught the DOS/WIN-OS/2 session settings, especially the
> COM ones, and can't find anything to fix it.  Any suggestions?

If COM_DIRECT_ACCESS->ON and the other obvious settings don't work
in either windowed or full-screen sessions, you might try this
wild-assed-guess:  comment-out com.sys and vcom.sys in config.sys
so that OS/2 doesn't even know your com ports exist. Then reboot
and try again.  I have no idea whether this will work, but it
should only take a few minutes to find out.  (If the app "knows"
that com2 is at port 2f8, then it may;  if it has to query the
system for this, then it certainly won't.)

Another thought:  if these modem parameters are handled as AT
commands _and_ they're suitably documented, you might try feeding
them to your modem by entering them as an init string in your
dialer or terminal program.  You could probably even do this
from a command line, i.e.
  "copy con com2:", then "AT[parms]"enter, then Ctrl-Z


   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               15-Oct-99 10:26:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:55:05, mike@lionsgate.com wrote:
> 
> No other company in the computer business has blown the
> marketing sooo badly.  Surely this must be on the minds of a few
> IBMers?
> 
> 

Basically, IBM couldn't manage to market a hooker in a prisoner of war
camp.

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From: hoffmann@ehmgs2.et.tu-dresden.de                  15-Oct-99 12:24:20
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: Gunzip for OS/2?

From: Thomas Hoffmann <hoffmann@ehmgs2.et.tu-dresden.de>

nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson) writes:

> Actually, there's no need to make that extra copy of gzip.  Just
> create a program object pointing to gzip.exe, with "-d" in the
> parameters field and it will work just fine.  You can have other
> program objects pointing to gzip.exe with other parameters (or no
> parameters) if you wish.

"It depends", I would say.  There are certain tasks that require to
find "gunzip": some ported Unix apps, not to mention (auto)configuring
Unix packages. (If you do not no these terms, then the above approach
is sufficient for you.)

-- 
=============================================================================
Thomas Hoffmann, Institut fuer Halbleiter- und Mikrosystemtechnik, TU Dresden 
E-mail: hoffmann@ehmgs2.et.tu-dresden.de

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           15-Oct-99 14:32:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <3806d3e8$3$s.q.nyvax$mr2ice@news.nl.net>, on 10/15/99 
   at 09:08 AM, F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net said:

>In <slrn80cgbm.7l.uno@sage.40th.com>, on 10/14/1999 
>   at 08:48 PM, uno@40th.com (uno@40th.com) said:

>>As I recall, OS/2 doesn't use OS2*.INI during normal operation.  What
>>it does is it uses OS2*.! (something like that), and then, every now
>>and then, copies that (*.!) to OS2*.INI.  So, hm, well, I've seen
>>that error maybe once or twice before, but I think that was way back
>>in Warp3 (where INI corruption/problems were common -- never had a
>>problem in W4/ GA).

>OS2.!!! is 0 bytes and not changed since the last change of OS2.INI,
>that is yesterday at 17:30.

The previous poster's description of OS2.INI update algorithm was
correct. OS2*.!!! are shown with zero size (by all usual system utils
like CMD.EXE dir command) because they are constantly opened for writing
and locked. This is a bug... err, feature of OS/2. You can use FC/2 to
look into locked files and see that they indeed have some contents
inside :-).

>>What you might want to do is copy the os2*.! files someplace safe,
>>and if needed, copy those over the current os2*.ini files (floppy
>>boot). If the ini files are okay (ie, not corrupt) then chances are
>>none of this matters (maybe you'll lose a window's posistion,
>>whatever).

I won't recommend this trick. Besides, you'll need to use some
non-standard utility to be able to copy locked files.

>Seems useless to me to copy empty files.....

All files locked for writing are reported as zero length, even if they
are not empty.

>>Or, you might try, once you back up the os2*.! and os2*.ini files, to
>>shutdown pmshell and let it restart (but don't do it just because I
>>say to).  If still problems, then C-A-D (close everything first).  If
>>you still get the "can't write ini..." then do a regular shutdown. 
>>If still a problem, pull the plug.  If still a problem, pick up the
>>monitor and toss it across the room.

>I'd better wait for other suggestions first ;-) Especially for that
>last one.

Just boot from maintenance diskettes or another partition and remove
read-only attribute from OS2*.INI. Or use UniMaint to restart PM, this
will have the same effect.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr                            15-Oct-99 10:46:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr (Stefan A. Deutscher)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:32:26 +0800, Wayne Bickell
<wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>On 14 Oct 1999 14:21:40 GMT, Stefan A. Deutscher wrote:
>
>>>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:59:22 -0700, Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>
>>>wrote:

[snip]

>>>>I am not an IBM basher, I'm just saying that to truly extend the
>>>>life of OS/2 you have to find some way to get it to hardware
>>>>platforms other than the 32-bit Intel platforms because those
>>>>platforms will be obsolete in about two years.  In two years a 386
>>>>or 486 system will be as antiquated as a 8086, and 80286 is today.
>>>>In four years a Pentium 233 will be antiquated as a 8086 and 80286
>>>>is today.  If the users in this group intend on still using  OS/2
>>>>on computers in 5 years some very serious efforts will have to be
>>>>made to make that happen.   Linux + Vmware is a possible solution.
>>>>An IBM port is a possible solution.

>>>Very eloquent. Nevertheless, the statement
>>>
>>>   "If the users in this group intend on still using OS/2 on
>>>   computers in 5 years some very serious efforts will have to be
>>>   made to make that happen." 
>>>
>>>is somewhat demagogic and at its core wrong. What should keep users
>>>in this group to continue to work for 5+ years with OS/2 on the
>>>hardware they have? I am working mostly on my ThinkPad 365xd, which
>>>is an iP5-120 (w/o L2 cache, only 40 MB RAM and 4 GB disk). Lowtech
>>>by now. Slower even than my at some time fire-breathing iPPro-150
>>>with a whopping 192 MB RAM and 5 GB SCSI disk system. Also LowTech by
>>>now. Still, I don't bother even booting the PPro all that often. The
>>>point being: For what I do with my PCs, even an iP5-120 with OS/2
>>>Warp 4 is fast enough. So, IA64 or not, right now I don't see that
>>>I'll ditch my well-working system, just to learn, and then switch to,
>>>another one which "allows" me to spend money on and then use new
>>>hardware which in turn would wait even faster for my input.


>Well, I for one am disappointed. I just upgraded to a Celeron 400 and
>128Mb RAM and my typing speed hasn't improved at all <vbg> 
>
>Cheers Wayne


Well, install Windoze 98 and at least your _relative_ typing speed (with
respect to system response) will go up tremendously. <g>

 Cheers,  
           Stefan

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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 15-Oct-99 10:47:18
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: What's going on in OS/2-dos

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:53:14, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:

> OS/2 Fan wrote:
> > 
> > I've never had the problem in any OS/2 native app except while trying
> > to download using NS/2, but it'll allow you to proceed anyway.  Post
> > what apps are giving you trouble and maybe other users will know how
> > to help though.  Sorry.
> 
> Partition Magic 3.0 will not install.  I get the message that there
> is not enough disk space even though there's over 6GB free in the
> partition I was trying to install to.
> -- 
> Dale Erwin
> Dallas, Texas 

Dale, 

Isn't this another problem. Partition Magic v3 need a lot af free space in
lower memory (conventional memory the 640 KB limit.)

Jan Swartling 
 Blue Soft
 Sweden

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From: esko.kauppinen@ibm.net                            15-Oct-99 11:57:24
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: problem creating utility disks

From: "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net>

I am using FP12 and cannot still create utility disks without 
removing/replacing files.

It doesn't Trap but just quits after disk 2 which is full.

And even after removing some files to get the disks
produced they still don't see my ATAPI Zip-drive.
( bootos2 program is successful and produces disks
  which can see also my zip-drive)

Esko  


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From: thrillmstr@mindspring.com                         15-Oct-99 06:04:05
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: newbie install problems

From: "John Griffin" <thrillmstr@mindspring.com>

i had the same prob and booting to dos didnt really help. what i ended up
doing was open up the cdinst.bat and look at the disk image files it uses (2
for warp3 and 3 for warp4) next drop Loaddskf.exe
into your path. and load the disk images manually for warp3 its DISK1_CD.DSK
and DISK0.DSK located in E:\DISKIMGS\OS2\35. i had all new hardware in here
and did swap out the floppies and it still happened. its the line
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO BAD. well nothing bad about new hardware and disks.
after i did this it loaded and ran fine till i put warp 4 on here.
williamd wrote in message ...
>In article <Pine.NEB.4.10.9910131425460.18407-100000@devnet-
>fileserv.argonet.co.uk>, Nicholas Horwood says...
>
>    > Most important, I only have the CD, no install disks.
>    > The cd has a batch file called cdinst.bat which can create two
install
>    > discs but when I run it an isert disk one, i get
>    >
>    > 'there was an error formating the floppy discs ...'
>    >
>    > and the batch file quits.
>    >
>    > The batch file was run under Win95.
>    >
>    > What am i doing wrong?
>
>
>I've had similar problems when creating floppies to install updates, video
>drivers, etc. In every case it was because of trying to do these tasks
>within Win 95. When I'd reboot to a DOS session I could format the floppy,
>copy the bat file, create the disk, or whatever without any problems.
>Might be worth a try...
>
>
>Bill
>
>__
>william1@teleport.com


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From: bmwz3@NO_SPAM.home.com                            15-Oct-99 11:43:24
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Help! Candy Barz killed my desktop

From: bmwz3@NO_SPAM.home.com (Ronny Hippler)

	Tried out the latest Candy barz and noticed it had a few glitches 
so I went to uninstall it (which is too bad I did like the effects) 
and it locked my machine. upon reboot I got the dreaded "couldn't 
find a desk top creating temporary blah blah blah" mesage. Well I 
dug out a semi old but not too dated back up and restored my 
previous ini files. Well thing were still really hosed most of the 
objects were gone. So I ran checkini and it got me back to almost 
normal. the main glitches are:

1. a ghost drive showing up as a network drive that can't be 
deleted. 

2. when I click on  the "create another" option I get "folder" about
six times and "new folder" 2-3 times as choices. 

3. the mm volume controll no longer has an object ID 

any help would be appreciated. 


   ______                   
o/______\o      BMW The Ultimate Driving machine
(oo=00=oo)          Ronny Hippler BMW MC
 []----------[]              Spartanburg SC || PGP key upon request
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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                15-Oct-99 07:14:28
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <2czN3.13$2d.2531@newsin1.ispchannel.com>,
"Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Thanks everyone for all of your valuable input. I must say that after
>reading everything I am TERRIFIED about actually trying to install any of
>the Win98 alternatives. It seems that so much can go wrong, I can just
>imagine hours and hours of frustrations. Perhaps waiting for Win2k is the
>best bet. I just really hate Win98. I just got this computer and I started
>getting the predictable crashes already. I used NT for a while on another
>system and it crashed as well, but at least when an application crashed, it
>didn't usually bring the whole operating system down with it.
>
>I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
>expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups. I can usually figure
>out the glitches but not without lots of hair pulling. I should have just
>had the system shipped with NT when I bought it from Gateway. Oh Well...too
>late now.
>

Gateway? You bought a GateWay? Check to see which version of '98 they
installed
on your computer. If it's the first version, call Gateway support and bitch
like a dog in heat and let them know you want the "updated version". It should
not cost you anything...

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                15-Oct-99 07:18:11
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 10:27:10
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <3807085B.55272EA9@image.dk>,
Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk> wrote:
>BeLlErTo wrote:
>>
>> Its really not that hard to decide....
>>
>> OS2 - SUX
>> WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
>> Linux - Linux
>
>OS2 - OS/2
>WINNT - Sux
>Linux - Immature
>

OS2   - Nearly perfect...
WINNT - A bandit... robs from the rich to give to the richest... runs like a
        a jerky video cassette...
LINUX - The Gonna' Be Kid... Has a great future now that IBM is behind it.


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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      15-Oct-99 14:19:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

hamei@pacbell.net [SBC Internet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ what we'd LIKE to do is have a VMWare server for OS/2, so we can run the 

Ok.

¯ occasionally necessary nasty Windows app, not put up with the *worst* of 
¯ both worlds. So if ya wanna plug VMWare, how's about something useful,

?

[ snip on my whole post, including the .signature ]

PS. Why quote my entire post if you don't comment on all of it?

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      15-Oct-99 14:19:22
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Jerry McBride [TEAM-NETREXX] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ >¯ Win2k? What for? It's just a warmed over copy of winNT... Nothing new
there
¯ >¯ except for a whole host of new bugs to beta test on the "public at
large".

¯ Nothing personal, Martin. I've seen you in these OS/2 groups for a while
now...

Fantastic observation capability you have here, Jerry.

¯ But as for "stupid and childish"... go screw yourself...

Yet another great comment and clever argument by yet another fanatic weirdo.

How surprising.
 
¯ >¯ Don't buy it! Grab a copy of '95 cheap and stay with the majority of
windows
¯ >¯ users...
»
¯ >And enjoy all the crashes... have fun!
¯ 
¯ Like it really matters? Come on... be real...

Well, to me it does (I happens to value my time and the work I do).

Which is exactly the reason why I avoid relying on any WinDOS version (even
the BETA versions of W2K seems to be much more reliable and stable than them).

Your choice, of course.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      15-Oct-99 14:19:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Peter Jespersen [Gothic Dreams] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ > OS2 - SUX
¯ > WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
¯ > Linux - Linux
¯ 
¯ OS2 - OS/2
¯ WINNT - Sux
¯ Linux - Immature

¯  Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark

Favorite OS - Favorite OS
Advocacy - Immature
This thread - dev.null

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: furd@mit.edu                                      15-Oct-99 08:54:20
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: "Frank Field" <furd@mit.edu>

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:01:06 +0200, F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:

:>Suddenly today I got this message:
:>
:>=================
:>Disk Error
:>
:>The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
:>be written to disk. The updates are
:>being held to automatically retry the
:>operation, but will be lost if the
:>system is shutdown before correcting
:>the problem.
:>=================
:>
:>What is this?

One other explanation is that you have an application that has a memory leak
that has been running for a while - in my case, it's MR/2 ICE that does this
after about 10 days of operation.  You can try to shut down the application
and then see what you get.

The plus of this circumstance is that, generally speaking, there's nothing
much lost if you just shutdown - of course, YMMV



Frank Field
furd@alum.mit.edu
O-


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 15:09:12
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: Help! Candy Barz killed my desktop

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Ronny Hippler wrote:
> 
>         Tried out the latest Candy barz and noticed it had a few glitches
> so I went to uninstall it (which is too bad I did like the effects)
> and it locked my machine. upon reboot I got the dreaded "couldn't
> find a desk top creating temporary blah blah blah" mesage. Well I
> dug out a semi old but not too dated back up and restored my
> previous ini files. Well thing were still really hosed most of the
> objects were gone. So I ran checkini and it got me back to almost
> normal. the main glitches are:
> 
> 1. a ghost drive showing up as a network drive that can't be
> deleted.
> 
> 2. when I click on  the "create another" option I get "folder" about
> six times and "new folder" 2-3 times as choices.
> 
> 3. the mm volume controll no longer has an object ID
> 
> any help would be appreciated.

Hmmmmm, haven't encountered any of these glitches!

But the desktop-problem has accoured twice (I use the archive
function, and it was unable to find a desktop to archive). I
performed a cold-reboot (read:reset). Upon the next boot the
desktop was back!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                15-Oct-99 16:24:08
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

Is your boot partition completely full?  I got similar messages one
fine day when I filled C: to the brink, and OS/2 didn't have room to
work with the ini files.  


On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:54:41 -0400 (EDT), Frank Field wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:01:06 +0200, F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:
>
>:>Suddenly today I got this message:
>:>
>:>=================
>:>Disk Error
>:>
>:>The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
>:>be written to disk. The updates are
>:>being held to automatically retry the
>:>operation, but will be lost if the
>:>system is shutdown before correcting
>:>the problem.
>:>=================
>:>
>:>What is this?
>
>One other explanation is that you have an application that has a memory leak
>that has been running for a while - in my case, it's MR/2 ICE that does this
>after about 10 days of operation.  You can try to shut down the application
>and then see what you get.
>
>The plus of this circumstance is that, generally speaking, there's nothing
>much lost if you just shutdown - of course, YMMV
>
>
>
>Frank Field
>furd@alum.mit.edu
>O-
>
>

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 15:25:01
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Adrian Gschwend wrote:

There is a saying running around...

Microsoft kills enemies - IBM kills friends!

<snip>

> >No other company in the computer business has blown the
> >marketing sooo badly.  Surely this must be on the minds of a few
> >IBMers?
> 
> I heard something related to this some weeks ago: IBM killed more of their
> own technologies than all other companies together ever developed. Sad but
> true...

6 years in a row IBM has got the most IT patents registrated in
the world!
Last year alone it was a 2600+ patents!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 15-Oct-99 15:33:06
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Peter Jespersen wrote:
> 
> BeLlErTo wrote:
> >
> > Its really not that hard to decide....
> >
> > OS2 - SUX
> > WINNT - crashes like Win95 but is more complicated to solve problems.
> > Linux - Linux
> 
> OS2 - OS/2
> WINNT - Sux
> Linux - Immature

IMO Linux is stil immature!
The fact that it is able to go head to head with the MS monopoly,
can either say something about the potential of Linux or
something about the lack of potential in the MS-camp! In my book
both!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: jbigge@novagate.com                               15-Oct-99 13:37:28
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: jbigge@novagate.com (Jerome Bigge)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:27:27 +0000, Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com> wrote:

>Bones wrote:
>> 
>> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
>> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
>> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
>> and Linux recently.
>> 
>> I have a couple of questions:
>> 
>> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
>
>Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
>used OS2.

OS/2 is easier to install than Windows 95.  Took half the time Win95 did
to install.  This off CD's, BTW.   I have no idea what Linux would be like.
The initial desktop with OS/2 isn't as "pretty" as Windows, but you can
configure it almost anyway you want.   With Warp 3, I made it look like
Windows 95.   And BTW, OS/2 has its own memory manager, I didn't
have to use "memmaker" like I did with Windows 95 to get a decent
amount of memory to run dos programs.   628k free memory as I 
recall for OS/2.   (Warp 3)

>> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
>> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
>> Win98?

Use Partition Commander from V-Communications, make a partition
for OS/2 using the boot manager that comes with it.  Partition Magic
from Power Quest will do the same thing, and is a bit more "automatic".

>If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
>partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.
>
>> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
>> well as lesser known applications?
>
>Linux has a program that allows you to run some Windows programs called
>WINE.

OS/2 will run Windows 3.x programs if you have Windows 3.x installed.  Don't
know about 32 bit programs made for 95 or 98.   Runs DOS programs fine.

>> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
>> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
>
>From what I have read Linux supports more SCSI controllers than any
>other operating system.
>
>> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
>
>Yes, most likely.
> 
>> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks

Jerome Bigge

CompTIA A+ Certified Computer Technician
Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             15-Oct-99 13:46:08
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:16
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:41:26, "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's out there, but you'll have to download it.  And if you want to
> install OS/2 on a IDE drive larger than 4.3 GB, you'll need to
> download a patch from IBM ("how" is anyone's guess, considering one
> usually doesn't have an operational PC before installing the OS...). 

Yes that is rather enigmatic isn't it?

> And there are a few more character-building exercises with OS/2 as
> well, but despite all my complaints, I feel it is by far the best OS
> of the 3 and spend more than 90% of my time using OS/2.  I certainly
> wouldn't go online using a WinXX OS!  Linux has potential but suffers
> from the rather myopic view that many people like configuring things
> by hand.  Also, it lacks OS/2's elegant GUI (as does any other OS,

Coming on strong though is the KDE desktop!  I was running an ancient
version of Linux and recently upgraded to Slackware 4.0 (thats for real
men :) and I was amazed at the improvement that KDE offers to the X
server.  Linux doesn't need all the PM shell safety features because
they're built into the system at the most basic level, CLI.

And I've had one lockup in two years.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: ccsten@usa.net                                    15-Oct-99 11:38:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:17
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: Terry Norton <ccsten@usa.net>

I've tried changing it manually myself as well, never had any
effect, so there's got to be something else under the hood I don't
understand.  IIRC, I changed the RO bit from a command prompt boot,
it worked, but then other times it didn't.  So I just let UniMaint
do it, besides, it eliminates a reboot.

The latest demo is at:

http://www.filestar.com/pages/download.html


F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:
> 
> In <380667BA.3490F65E@usa.net>, on 10/14/1999
>    at 07:31 PM, Terry Norton <ccsten@usa.net> said:
> 
> >This happens to me once in awhile.  Some how the INI files become
> >Read Only (yes I know it says this if you look at the file).  I've
> 
> I've seen this, changed it and later changed it back. No influence on
> the case.

> 
> Maybe I have to look for this UniMaint somewhere..... Is it on hobbes?

-- 

Terry Norton
Warped with OS/2

Stress is when you wake up screaming & you realize you haven't
fallen asleep yet.

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             15-Oct-99 08:46:08
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 14:34:17
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Bones wrote:
> 
> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
> and Linux recently.
> 
> I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
> Win98?
> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
> well as lesser known applications?
> 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
> network cards as easily as Microsoft?
> 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?

1)  OS/2 is the easiest to install IF you are a RTM kind of guy.  If you
are not, probably NT is easiest to install but hardest to deal with
follow-on problems resulting from not RTM.

2)  If you install NT, you can continue to use FAT16 partitions which
Win98 can also read.  This is an obsolete and archaic file storage
system, however, as is FAT32.  HPFS in OS/2 is the best file system
available today for end-users.  If you value your data, HPFS is a good
choice.

3) MS Office 2000 will only run on Win9x and Windows NT.  The last
version of Microsoft Office which runs on OS/2 was Office 4 with Word 6
and Excel 5.  New versions of Quicken will not run on OS/2 or Linux. 
Older Windows 3.1 compatible versions will run on OS/2.  Most Windows
3.1 applications will run on OS/2.  OS/2 will also run Java, DOS, EMX,
and xFree 86 applications.  

4)  OS/2 will work with any non-Winmodem as will Linux.  Usually, this
means ISA modems though there are a few PCI non-Winmodems available. 
SCSI is well supported with OS/2, including scanners.  Parallel-port
scanners will not work with OS/2 unless they come with Windows 3.1
software.  Some USB scanners are supported by OS/2 if you have a
compatible USB chipset from Via or Intel.  All Network cards and
Monitors work with OS/2.

5)  Windows 2000 looks to be an improvement over NT4 but hardware
support and drivers will be VERY weak for at least a year.  Longer, if
it doesn't quickly start replacing Win 9x on the desktop.  It is also a
complete rewrite and is likely to have significant flaws that will take
quite a long time to discover and correct.  I would get NT4 which is
much better supported now, as long as you don't run DOS applications.

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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 19:08:13
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <f5tXsN9O8ldo-pn2-UD0L8KzdfIci@office.CompuComIS.net>, on
10/15/1999 
   at 11:37 AM, mburger@nospam.CompuComIS.net (Mike Burger) said:

>> =================
>> Disk Error
>> 
>> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
>> be written to disk. The updates are
>> being held to automatically retry the
>> operation, but will be lost if the
>> system is shutdown before correcting
>> the problem.
>> =================

>Either your hard drive or the OS2.INI file was busy with something 
>else at the time.  I've seen this error pop up from time to time, but
> only in Warp 4...never in 2.1 or Warp 3.  I don't usually worry
>about  it...I acknowledge the error, and then, eventually, the file
>gets  updated on the next attempt.

It's also my first time since OS/2 2.1......
And for my system: see below.


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
  created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com               15-Oct-99 17:20:17
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: "Jan Danielsson" <Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com>

>As I was driving home today, I was thinking about all the
>technology that IBM has done that the marketing department has
>really screwed up.  I came up with these 4 examples....
[...]

It's important to remember that the technologies you mentioned were not
guaranteed to become big successes. IBM could have taken a chance, but played
it safe. They _could_ have made more money the other way, but they always
have to weigh everything the risk.
The only part of IBM which seems to be taking risks is IBM Research, IBM
Research is btw my favorite division of IBM....


 /j



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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 19:12:29
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <sheqzvgrqh.fjnaj50.pminews@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>, on
10/15/1999 
   at 08:54 AM, "Frank Field" <furd@mit.edu> said:

>One other explanation is that you have an application that has a
>memory leak that has been running for a while - in my case, it's MR/2
>ICE that does this after about 10 days of operation.  You can try to
>shut down the application and then see what you get.

Of course I shut down ALL apps as a first reaction, including Ice.

>The plus of this circumstance is that, generally speaking, there's
>nothing much lost if you just shutdown - of course, YMMV

The third one who'll say so get my trust :-(


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
  created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 19:11:15
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - HELP!

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <zzdHjdPQunhi-pn2-uLHioTWP5YYF@ftm033.usacomputers.net>, on
10/15/1999 
   at 07:02 AM, rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh) said:

>An easy, anyone-can-do-it fix is to boot to a command line, then
>enter
>  attrib -s-r \os2\os2sys.ini
>Reboot and the problem is solved (until next time).

>Whether anything of value will be lost depends on whether you have
>manipulated any files that the WPS is tracking.  For example, if you
>installed a new app and created a program object, the object's
>references to the exe and its working directory will be lost.  OTOH,
>if you didn't do anything special, you'll never notice the
>difference.  If this problem had involved os2.ini, you could lose
>newly-created program objects or shadows, but more likely, you'd only
>lose the updates to some apps' window positions.

I did nothing special before the "thing" began. So if I won't get any
better proposal I'll go for a reboot.......


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
  created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          15-Oct-99 17:37:26
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:55:05, mike@lionsgate.com wrote:

:The IBM marketing dept

 You mean to say such a thing actually exists??

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          15-Oct-99 17:36:03
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:47:59, sartory <sartory@bellsouth.net> wrote:

:> 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
:> well as lesser known applications?
: 
:OS2 will run old WIN 3.1 applications very well, but not
:WIN95 or WIN98 or WINNT aplications.

 Just to be clear, OS/2 v4 supports most Windows 3.x and Win32s up to 
v1.25a apps.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          15-Oct-99 17:37:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:41:26, "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com> wrote:

:if you want to
:install OS/2 on a IDE drive larger than 4.3 GB, you'll need to
:download a patch from IBM ("how" is anyone's guess, considering one
:usually doesn't have an operational PC before installing the OS...). 

 I don't think that's true nowadays. Most folks who're interested in 
OS/2, like the fellow who began this thread, already have at least one
OS installed; and if they do their homework first will have the 
IDEDASD.EXE fix at hand before installing OS/2.

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          15-Oct-99 17:37:21
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:44:00, "Bones" <oskib@hotmail.com> wrote:

:I would like to switch to OS2 or Linux, but I don't have the technical
:expertise as most of the people in these newsgroups. 

 When I first installed OS/2 2.1 in early 1994, I had zero, ZERO 
"technical expertise." All I knew was I wanted something better than 
Win 3.x, and OS/2 appeared to be that (and was, with a vengeance).

 Think twice about sticking with Win*. There's no reason you can't 
have two or more OSes installed on your system (assuming you've 
adequate hard disk space), and there's no reason you can't backup your
current data, then reinstall it if you wish.

-- 
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     15-Oct-99 18:06:24
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:55:05, mike@lionsgate.com wrote:

> Do any of you out there know of others?
>  

How about, the PowerPC, and, especially, OS/2 for the PowerPC. 
Personally, I believe that combination could have put a BIG dent in 
the Windows/Intel market.

Then, there was the early days of the PC itself (1982). IBM marketing 
was convinced that nobody would ever use a PC for serious work. "It is
just a toy", is what I was told, when I tried to convince my 
management that they had better start to pay some serious attention to
it.

Oh well, IBM has enough money to survive the lean periods that 
stupidity like that causes, and they do have enough time to recover 
from their mistakes, but sometimes, the shareholders aren't all that 
pleased <g>.

By the way, the MWave card started life as a 28.8K modem (not 
upgradeable to 33.6K).

>No other company in the computer business has blown the
>marketing sooo badly.  

I suspect that there have been other companies who have screwed up, 
just as bad, but most were unable to survive the lean years, and no 
longer exist. The rest (Ford, GM, Chrysler) seem to be a little 
smarter, although, sometimes, I wonder about some of the things they 
do (or don't do).

>Surely this must be on the minds of a few IBMers?

I am sure that the technical side of the house can see that the 
marketing side is really messed up, but they don't control the show. 
It is the Marketing side who run IBM, and the Marketing people are 
convinced that they know what is best for the company. It has always 
been that way, and nobody has been able to convince them otherwise. I 
was hoping that Lou G. would realize that, but it seems he has been 
totally snowed by the Marketing management. By the way, Lou G. is the 
very FIRST outsider to be given his job. All of his predecessors came 
from IBM Marketing, and all of the people in Marketing were very 
ticked off that one of their own wasn't given that job. Obviously, 
they have done a job on him, and he is now as dumb as the rest of 
them. Too bad.

Just my C$.03 ($.02 US)...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             15-Oct-99 18:48:23
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <WiQtt4WDEbXf-pn2-fjRwO9FZFcrM@vcn45.pm3-1.chey.wy.vcn.com>,
piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.) writes:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:02:00, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
>Bissett) wrote:
>
>:Of course, if it came from HOTMAIL (apparently owned by Microsoft), 
>:you are wasting your time.
>
> Hotmail has a fairly strict anti-spam policy, and they're usually 
>quick to nuke spammers.

They can be as quick as they want.  Hotmail's filtered out on 
my mailer because of spam.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 15-Oct-99 17:10:04
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <yw4HOFy0KKEHxR2C9uqT3RHOV=2G@news.kraftwerk.net>, Martin Nisshagen
<forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:>
>PS. Why quote my entire post if you don't comment on all of it?

sorry, mistake in judgement, slip up at the end of the day, any number of 
lame excuses. I stand justly rebuked. 

>
>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n
>--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     15-Oct-99 18:06:26
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: RMVIEW 

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:50:51, frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank 
McKenney) wrote:

..snip...
> What you're saying seems odd...  and does not match either my
> expectations or my experience.  Would you mind posting the output from
> your RMVIEW /IRQ and the IRQ lines from RMVIEW /D back here so I can see
> what you're talking about?
> 
> From my system:
> 
..snip the details...
> 
> Neither of these listings show my "NE2000 clone" LAN adapter using 
> IOA=0x300 and IRQ10.
> 
> 
> Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
> Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
> E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com
> 

I agree. I have an Intel LAN card, that uses IRQ11. I NEVER see that 
listed anywhere, as being in use. In fact, the only reference I ever 
see about IRQ11, is in the DOS utility, where it is set. It does have 
trouble, if I try to use IRQ11 on anything else, so I know that it is 
there, and being used.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     15-Oct-99 18:06:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:26:22, maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff) 
wrote:

> Basically, IBM couldn't manage to market a hooker in a prisoner of war
> camp.
>  

Good one hehehe. But that is not true. IBM wouldn't even consider 
doing that. They would assume that there would be nobody who wanted to
buy. 

Then again, they, probably, would see a market for freezers, at the 
north pole...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                15-Oct-99 15:19:00
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: IBM's Marketing Skills

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:26:22, maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff) 
wrote:

> Basically, IBM couldn't manage to market a hooker in a prisoner of war
> camp.
>  

Not after they realized they could market a whole network of them at the
Officer's Club.  Go where the money is!

Ron

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From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca                           15-Oct-99 19:49:17
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:14
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: isaacl@bulls.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Bones (oskib@hotmail.com) wrote:
: I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of RAM
: and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
: have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
: and Linux recently.

: I have a couple of questions:

: 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
: professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
	I have installed Win9x, NT4.0, OS/2 and various Linux
distributions. In my opinion, OS/2 was the fastest and easiest (with
Win9x, I had to muck around and get a proper boot disk to get a CD-ROM
recognized). NT4.0 was the longest and worst install I've tried. But
honestly, if you're really technically minded, none of the installs could
be considered very difficult.
	If you know what you're doing Linux is fairly quick and easy.
However, be warned! To get full functionality like OS/2 or WinXX, you will
need to figure out how to re-compile your kernel to change stuff like
sound card or CDROM support (it's not that hard, but compared to its
competitors, a very needless tedium!)
	With ANY of the OS, I recommend you clear your complete hardware
setup with the appropriate newsgroup first so you know of any pitfalls.


: 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
: drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
: Win98?
: 3) Will OS2 and Linux run Window applications like MS Office, Quicken as
: well as lesser known applications?
	OS/2 will run most Win3.1 and DOS apps, but no pure Win95 apps.
You can run Quicken98 and below and Office 6? and below on OS/2.
	For both Linux and OS/2, do keep in mind that there are other
equivalent (and often better!) applications out there.

: 4) Can OS2 and Linus rund new SCSI controllers, scanners, monitors, modems,
: network cards as easily as Microsoft?
	On OS/2 & Linux, video, monitors and SCSI controllers are
generally not a problem. Parallel port scanners are not supported, AFAIK
on Linux or OS/2. Network card support on OS/2 and Linux are comparable
and pretty good. Winmodems are a problem under anything, NT included.
	Despite what NT advocates will tell you, as far as I can tell,
hardware support for NT is barely above that for OS/2 and Linux. Which is
far behind Win95 of course.

: 4) If I decide on NT, would I be better off waiting for Windows 2000?
	How long do you want to wait? :) By all accounts, W2K is better,
so unless you have a pressing need for WinNT, you can probably wait.

I am very biased towards OS/2, having had a chance to use all of
'em. However, I strongly suspect that you will be happiest with NT, if by
this stage you haven't had a chance to dance with the dark side ;)
A nice Linux distro can be had for free or $2 from your local Linux user
group, so it's worth a shot.



Isaac

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From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net                            15-Oct-99 21:37:05
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - SOLVED

From: F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net

In <38075fc7$1$s.q.nyvax$mr2ice@news.nl.net>, on 10/15/1999 
   at 07:08 PM, F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net said:

>>> =================
>>> Disk Error
>>> 
>>> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
>>> be written to disk. The updates are
>>> being held to automatically retry the
>>> operation, but will be lost if the
>>> system is shutdown before correcting
>>> the problem.
>>> =================

After all your thoughts I dared to do a reboot..... and everything is
fine now! I still wonder why this all has happened.....but I don't
expect a final answwer.

Anyway, thank you all for trying to help me.


Frits

-- 
----->everything is a cooperation of aspects<-----
           there is no truth or reality
       but only aspects and interpretations
-------------->Copyright 1999 Sysali<-------------
  created  on OS/2 Warp 4.12 using MR/2 Ice 1.66

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From: bbarclay@ca.ibm.com                               15-Oct-99 16:00:25
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: OS2SYS.INI can't be written to disk - SOLVED

From: Brad BARCLAY <bbarclay@ca.ibm.com>

F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net wrote:
> 
> In <38075fc7$1$s.q.nyvax$mr2ice@news.nl.net>, on 10/15/1999
>    at 07:08 PM, F.D.Alink@inter.nl.net said:
> 
> >>> =================
> >>> Disk Error
> >>>
> >>> The INI file, C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI, can not
> >>> be written to disk. The updates are
> >>> being held to automatically retry the
> >>> operation, but will be lost if the
> >>> system is shutdown before correcting
> >>> the problem.
> >>> =================
> 
> After all your thoughts I dared to do a reboot..... and everything is
> fine now! I still wonder why this all has happened.....but I don't
> expect a final answwer.

	99% of the time this error is displayed because you are running out of
disk space on the drive containing the INI file in question, and there
is insufficient space to write the data safely to disk.

	Chances are when you rebooted your swapper was recreated at a smaller
size, freeing up space for the INI files to be written during the normal
timed write to disk.  If the problem starts to creep up again, move
either your swapper to a different drive (if it isn't on a different
drive/partition already), remove unused files/applications, or move your
INI files to a different drive/partition with lots of available free
space.

Brad BARCLAY

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v4.5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  bbarclay@ca.ibm.com		Location:  2G43D@Torolabs

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From: dmaceld@i-55.com                                  15-Oct-99 16:36:29
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Mac Eld <dmaceld@i-55.com>

The only problem with that is many spammers use fake addresses. Your idea
will backfire as you get hundreds of 'undeliverable' notices back. :-( I
may be wrong but I suspect that many spammers who do use legit addresses
want you to respond. That validates the accuracy of your address. Then
you'll never stop getting spam from them and whoever else they share your
address with. I've found the best solution is to just ignore the msgs.

Ray Appleby wrote:

> I'm getting a little fed up with the SPAM that I get every day in my
> mail box.  Everything from so-called "FREE" trips to pyramid schemes.
>
> I would like to begin replying to these SPAMMERS with a warning that
> if I receive any more unsolicited mail from them that I will send
> hundreds of replies in response until they remove me from their
> mailing list.
>
> I use Post Road Mailer and I suppose you could probably accomplish
> this with some of the features in the program but I am not a
> programmer.  Is there any program available that will work with PRM to
> do what I want?
>
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.



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From: methanic@dev.null                                 15-Oct-99 19:56:26
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: OS2, NT or Linux

From: methanic@dev.null (Andre van Dijk)

Op Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:50:59 -0400 is het volgende aan Jerry McBride
ontsproten:
>In article <38063CAF.9D90DCA0@heaven.com>,
>Anonymous Alien <Alien@heaven.com> wrote:
>>Bones wrote:
>>>
>>> I currently run Win98 on a stand alone system at home. I have 128mgs of
RAM
>>> and it's a P3 550. I want to switch to a more powerful operating system. I
>>> have used NT before and liked it, but I have been reading a lot about OS2
>>> and Linux recently.
>>>
>>> I have a couple of questions:
>>>
>>> 1) I am a fairly technically apt person, but I am not a technical
>>> professional. Which of these will probably be easiest to install?
>>
>>Linux is probably the easiest to install at the moment.  I haven't ever
>>used OS2.
>>
>
>What? Then how can you answer that question honestly? The fact is, I can
>install OS/2 in my sleep (NO, I won't handhold you through an installl...)
>while Linux calls for technical information that make me either drag out the
>spec sheets for various cards or open the case to see what port, irq is being
>used for certain cards I have installed...
>
>Come on... try OS/2... you'll be impressed.

I tried recently, VMware crashed :-). But seriously, OS/2 is getting
less software (Sad!) while Linux is getting more. What about BeOS??

>
>>> 2) Regardless of which system I choose, will I need to reformat the hard
>>> drive first, or will if I choose NT will I be able to install on top of
>>> Win98?
>>
>>If you use Linux, or NT you will need to repartition and reformat a new
>>partition.  NT will not install if you are using FAT32 with Win98.
>>
>
>You'll want to reformat the drive anyways... NT, OS/2, LINUX, SOLARIS or
>anything. It'd be stupid not to...

Or try VMWare...

-- 
Andre van Dijk 
,----------------------------------+-------------+-----------------------.
| mailto:a.vandijk@unseen.demon.nl | icq:4249631 | fax:(+31)(0)208833917 |
`----------------------------------+-------------+-----------------------'
You get your b*tch *ss in the kitchen and bake me some pie.
                          -- Cartman, South Park.

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From: bschwand@dvart.com                                15-Oct-99 14:21:12
  To: All                                               15-Oct-99 21:58:15
Subj: Re: G400 drivers & software

From: bruno schwander <bschwand@dvart.com>

do you mean the g400 actually supports 2 simultaneous monitors under os/2 ?
I am very interested in this feature...

bruno

jerryw12 wrote:

> Absolutely
>
>     i am currently running a G400 dual head 32meg , the card came with a
> CD with all kinds of drivers,
>
>     and i must say i am WAY pleased with this card, its a great one.
> Shop around i got mine for 170.00
>
> tom wrote:
>
> > Are there OS/2 drivers  for the new G400 dual head video card?
> >
> > What about video editing software for OS/2 like that it comes with?
> >
> > Is $299.oo a good price for the dual head 16meg version?
> >
> > Tom

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