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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    26-Sep-99 03:01:04
  To: All                                               26-Sep-99 10:15:04
Subj: Re: 2GB Jazz drive

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Charles H. Strom (chstrom@ibm.net) wrote:
: My 2GB Jazz drive works fine under Win9x and NT. Under OS/2, it will only
: work with 2Gb cartridges. Any ideas please?

	What?




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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           26-Sep-99 04:46:25
  To: All                                               26-Sep-99 10:15:04
Subj: Re: 2GB Jazz drive

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:32:12, "Charles H. Strom" <chstrom@ibm.net> 
wrote:

> My 2GB Jazz drive works fine under Win9x and NT. Under OS/2, it will only
> work with 2Gb cartridges. Any ideas please?
> 

I don;t understand what you are asking about. Does it work with other
than 2 Gbyte cartridges with Win 9X/NT????

Lorne Sunley

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        26-Sep-99 15:06:01
  To: All                                               26-Sep-99 18:36:19
Subj: IOMEGA 250MB ZIP drives

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

Do IOMEGA 250MB drives work OK with OS/2?

Anything to watch out for?...

--
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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               26-Sep-99 19:18:23
  To: All                                               26-Sep-99 19:55:10
Subj: Re: IOMEGA 250MB ZIP drives

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:06:02, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John 
Poltorak) wrote:

> Do IOMEGA 250MB drives work OK with OS/2?
> 
No

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From: chstrom@ibm.net                                   26-Sep-99 17:20:26
  To: All                                               26-Sep-99 19:55:10
Subj: Re: 2GB Jazz drive

From: "Charles H. Strom" <chstrom@ibm.net>

Under NT and Win9x, the 2Gb Jaz drive will recognize both 2Gb cartridges and
1Gb cartridges. Under OS/2, it will only recognize 2Gb cartridges. Does this
make things clearer?


Lorne Sunley <lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-1ghpS7HpPydL@localhost...
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:32:12, "Charles H. Strom" <chstrom@ibm.net>
> wrote:
>
> > My 2GB Jazz drive works fine under Win9x and NT. Under OS/2, it will
only
> > work with 2Gb cartridges. Any ideas please?
> >
>
> I don;t understand what you are asking about. Does it work with other
> than 2 Gbyte cartridges with Win 9X/NT????
>
> Lorne Sunley
>


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From: jdparker@erols.com                                26-Sep-99 22:15:02
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 04:11:04
Subj: Lost extended attributes

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

I've got a new computer (AMD 450 Mhz) that came with Win98 preinstalled.
I used a combination of Partition Magic 3.0x and fdisk to resize the
Win98 FAT32 partition and create addtitional partitions for data, OS/2,
DOS and Boot Manager. I've also installed an additional hard drive.

What I'm finding is that frequently when I run chkdsk, it finds a lot of
lost extended artibutes. On one partition, one chkdsk /f run created
over 400 ea*.chk files. The only thing I've noticed concerning the
operation of the system is that a pair of objects on my OS/2 desktop
"lost" their icons. They were both shadows of rexx scripts that invoke
the InJoy dialer. I had assigned them the icons associated with the
InJoy exe but after a couple of days they reverted to OS/2 System Editor
icons. Easy to fix but annoying. I also noticed that in Win98 an MS-DOS
window object on a tool bar mysteriously became an MS-DOS full screen
object and one of my dialup connection objects "forgot" that it was
supposed to bring up a terminal window after making the connection.

Anyway, I'm completely at a loss as to what to do about this or even how
serious a problem it is. If I have faulty equipment (hard drive,
controller, whatever), is there some diagnostic that can be run to
isolate the failing component? Any other ideas?

Thanks
Jim

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From: djj@apmaths.uwo.ca                                27-Sep-99 20:11:19
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 21:33:15
Subj: TP600 and 10Gb again

From: djj@apmaths.uwo.ca

A follow-up on postings from Trevor Hemsley and others on my TP600.

It seems that the MS specific Ox0F extended partition is not Partition Magic's 
fault.
The TP is delivered with an Extended partition marked Ox0F. If I ask Partition 
Magic
only to resize or move the partition, then the type is unchanged.
 If, however, I delete the partition and create a new one, then Partition
Magic
uses the standard code and I have no problems, with that part.

So now for the slow boot problem....

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From: rainer.doering@icn.siemens.de                     27-Sep-99 21:21:26
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 21:33:15
Subj: Re: HD partition table corrupted by win95 ?

From: Rainer Doering <rainer.doering@icn.siemens.de>

On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:30:50 +0200, Thomas Schuett
<Thomas.Schuett@icn.siemens.de> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>although I basicly have a Win95/DOS problem, I saw related
>problem discussions here already, so this group seems
>first choise :-)
>
>The problem: There is a 170MB IDE HD with win 95 installed.
>Then I tried to get of the win95 and install DOS again.
>The DOS fdisk saw a non-dos partition, which it could not remove,
>so I removed it with linux-fdisk. Then I installed a DOS partition
>with DOS fdisk (yeh, lots of booting, dont ask ;-) , but I got
>only around 30 MB for the partition. 
>
>I tried thousand of things, saw correct 170 MB from linux, 
>re-created the DOS partition with linux and saw correct 
>170 MB from linux but still only 30MB from DOS and so on.
>
>My conclusion: By win95 maybe not only the partition table
>was peculiar changed, but the disk geometrie as well. Now
>modern systems can handle it, but DOS can not.
>
>Am I'm right (or paranoid) ? What can I do now ? 
>
>Thanks for answers,
>  Thomas

What DOS version?
max. partition size of DOS3.3 was 32 MB

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From: Thomas.Schuett@icn.siemens.de                     27-Sep-99 16:30:25
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 21:33:15
Subj: HD partition table corrupted by win95 ?

From: Thomas Schuett <Thomas.Schuett@icn.siemens.de>

Hi,

although I basicly have a Win95/DOS problem, I saw related
problem discussions here already, so this group seems
first choise :-)

The problem: There is a 170MB IDE HD with win 95 installed.
Then I tried to get of the win95 and install DOS again.
The DOS fdisk saw a non-dos partition, which it could not remove,
so I removed it with linux-fdisk. Then I installed a DOS partition
with DOS fdisk (yeh, lots of booting, dont ask ;-) , but I got
only around 30 MB for the partition. 

I tried thousand of things, saw correct 170 MB from linux, 
re-created the DOS partition with linux and saw correct 
170 MB from linux but still only 30MB from DOS and so on.

My conclusion: By win95 maybe not only the partition table
was peculiar changed, but the disk geometrie as well. Now
modern systems can handle it, but DOS can not.

Am I'm right (or paranoid) ? What can I do now ? 

Thanks for answers,
  Thomas

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From: j.p.besamusca@spamno.students.wa...               27-Sep-99 23:07:14
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 21:33:15
Subj: Re: Support for new 1.3 Gb Fujitsu MO drive??

Message sender: j.p.besamusca@spamno.students.warande.uu.nl

From: "Hans Besamusca" <j.p.besamusca@spamno.students.warande.uu.nl>

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 03:18:19 GMT, Nathan Liskov wrote:

>I am a fan of MO drives as they provide robust compact storage on 3 
>1/2 inch media.  I am using a Fujitsu 640 mb MO drive in my os2 system
>via the following lines in my config.sys:
>
>basedev=n512dasd.flt /v           
>BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD /rf /of       

/rf seems to be old fashioned and not needed (at least for MO), so I read in
this newsgroup a while ago.
>
>The new Fujitsu internal 1.3 Gb drive (model MCD3130SS) is now 
>available (http:buyfcpa.com).  Does anyone know if this drive will 
>work under os/2 with these drivers.
>
>Thanks,
>
>	Nathan Liskov

1.3 Gb has 2048 byte/sector like the 640 Mb, so I guess you could format it
with HPFS, with the two mentioned lines in your config.sys.
Hans

>p.s.  Fujitsu has also announced an external 1.3 gb MO, but with 
>firewire (ieee-1394) interface.  Does anyone know the status of 
>firewire support under os/2.
>
>nate@lcs.mit.edu   http://nateliskov.ne.mediaone.net



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From: eickhsr@jm-usa.com                                27-Sep-99 16:26:23
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 21:33:15
Subj: Re: HD partition table corrupted by win95 ?

From: Stephen Eickhoff <eickhsr@jm-usa.com>


Thomas Schuett wrote:

> Hi,
>
> although I basicly have a Win95/DOS problem, I saw related
> problem discussions here already, so this group seems
> first choise :-)
>
> The problem: There is a 170MB IDE HD with win 95 installed.
> Then I tried to get of the win95 and install DOS again.
> The DOS fdisk saw a non-dos partition, which it could not remove,
> so I removed it with linux-fdisk. Then I installed a DOS partition
> with DOS fdisk (yeh, lots of booting, dont ask ;-) , but I got
> only around 30 MB for the partition.
>
> I tried thousand of things, saw correct 170 MB from linux,
> re-created the DOS partition with linux and saw correct
> 170 MB from linux but still only 30MB from DOS and so on.
>
> My conclusion: By win95 maybe not only the partition table
> was peculiar changed, but the disk geometrie as well. Now
> modern systems can handle it, but DOS can not.
>
> Am I'm right (or paranoid) ? What can I do now ?

You should be able to delete a non-DOS partition from DOS. It's usually
option 3, Delete Partition or Logical DOS drive, then Delete Non-DOS
partition. I suppose maybe you have a version of DOS I'm not familiar
with (or I'm just remembering wrong).

I'm pretty sure you're going to have to find a way to delete that
partition from DOS, reboot, then add a new partition from DOS, and
reboot again before formatting it. Maybe you're trying to format it
before rebooting the last time? That'll cause a problem similar to what
you're seeing.

The most unlikely problem is that you are using a version of DOS prior
to 3.2, which would only support up to 32 MB disks.

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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        27-Sep-99 09:26:14
  To: All                                               27-Sep-99 21:33:15
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes

From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

Jim Parker wrote:
 
> I've got a new computer (AMD 450 Mhz) that came with Win98 preinstalled.
> I used a combination of Partition Magic 3.0x and fdisk to resize the
> Win98 FAT32 partition and create addtitional partitions for data, OS/2,
> DOS and Boot Manager. I've also installed an additional hard drive.
 
> What I'm finding is that frequently when I run chkdsk, it finds a lot of
> lost extended artibutes. On one partition, one chkdsk /f run created
> over 400 ea*.chk files. The only thing I've noticed concerning the
> operation of the system is that a pair of objects on my OS/2 desktop
> "lost" their icons. They were both shadows of rexx scripts that invoke
> the InJoy dialer. I had assigned them the icons associated with the
> InJoy exe but after a couple of days they reverted to OS/2 System Editor
> icons. Easy to fix but annoying. I also noticed that in Win98 an MS-DOS
> window object on a tool bar mysteriously became an MS-DOS full screen
> object and one of my dialup connection objects "forgot" that it was
> supposed to bring up a terminal window after making the connection.
 
> Anyway, I'm completely at a loss as to what to do about this or even how
> serious a problem it is. If I have faulty equipment (hard drive,
> controller, whatever), is there some diagnostic that can be run to
> isolate the failing component? Any other ideas?

I'm no expert, and I have no systems with OS/2 and windoze 9x
coexisting, but IIRC, I've read that windoze LFNs and OS/2 EAs are
incompatible. Writing to a file having one using the other OS (or using
CHKDSK or SCANDISK) will wipe out the extended information, causing what
you found. This has no effect on a file's integrity. Keep as many OS/2
files as you can off of partitions that windoze can access.
-- 
A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of
understanding holds his tongue.                Proverbs 11:12 NKJV

 Team OS/2

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net

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From: jsleung@telecom-digest.zzn.com                    27-Sep-99 22:39:06
  To: All                                               28-Sep-99 04:30:21
Subj: Re: Support for new 1.3 Gb Fujitsu MO drive??

From: "Johnnie Leung" <jsleung@telecom-digest.zzn.com>

Nathan Liskov <nate@lcs.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:SHh2MDlfCd4M-pn2-t8FvILzRSBu1@nateliskov.ne.mediaone.net...
>
> p.s.  Fujitsu has also announced an external 1.3 gb MO, but with
> firewire (ieee-1394) interface.  Does anyone know the status of
> firewire support under os/2.

I don't care about firewire.  I want the SCSI external that's shown on
Fujitsu Europe's web site
http://www.fujitsu-europe.com/home/sResources.asp?osc=fel&lang=en&cat=4&pid=
927797218 .  I don't know of any vendor that carries it, in Europe or
elsewhere.  If it comes to the US, I will be the first one to buy it.

JL



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From: Thomas.Schuett@icn.siemens.de                     28-Sep-99 10:03:09
  To: All                                               28-Sep-99 12:24:01
Subj: Re: HD partition table corrupted by win95 ?

From: Thomas Schuett <Thomas.Schuett@icn.siemens.de>

Hello,

> > My conclusion: By win95 maybe not only the partition table
> > was peculiar changed, but the disk geometrie as well. Now
> > modern systems can handle it, but DOS can not.
> >
> > Am I'm right (or paranoid) ? What can I do now ?
> 
> You should be able to delete a non-DOS partition from DOS. It's usually
> option 3, Delete Partition or Logical DOS drive, then Delete Non-DOS
> partition. I suppose maybe you have a version of DOS I'm not familiar
> with (or I'm just remembering wrong).
> 
> I'm pretty sure you're going to have to find a way to delete that
> partition from DOS, reboot, then add a new partition from DOS, and
> reboot again before formatting it. Maybe you're trying to format it
> before rebooting the last time? That'll cause a problem similar to what
> you're seeing.
> 
> The most unlikely problem is that you are using a version of DOS prior
> to 3.2, which would only support up to 32 MB disks.

It really looks like I should check again the version of the DOS and the
fdisk I use. If it should be possible to delete a non DOS partition
(what was
not possible for me), maybe I really have an old version. 

I remember a time, when I had lots of problems with "wrong DOS version",
and I made some "setvers" or so. I should make sure to boot a clean 5.x.

Also I will follow your reboot instructions after each step. If this
can cause the problem, it is worth the waiting time. 

Thanks for your help,
  Thomas

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           28-Sep-99 06:59:16
  To: All                                               28-Sep-99 12:24:01
Subj: Re: HD partition table corrupted by win95 ?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37EFD307.2E0ADC4F@jm-usa.com>, on 09/27/99 at 04:26 PM,
   Stephen Eickhoff <eickhsr@jm-usa.com> said:


> You should be able to delete a non-DOS partition from DOS. It's usually
> option 3, Delete Partition or Logical DOS drive, then Delete Non-DOS
> partition. I suppose maybe you have a version of DOS I'm not familiar
> with (or I'm just remembering wrong).

Only IBM's PC-DOS had that option if memory serves. MS did not include it
in their versions of FDISK as I recall. I USED to have a copy of MS-DOS
6.2, but I can't find it to verify this.

> I'm pretty sure you're going to have to find a way to delete that
> partition from DOS, reboot, then add a new partition from DOS, and
> reboot again before formatting it. Maybe you're trying to format it
> before rebooting the last time? That'll cause a problem similar to what
> you're seeing.

One might try FDISK /MBR (or is it NewMBR) and then setting up the drive.
The person who has the problem referred to a rather small (175 or so megs
if memory serves). Many of those older IDE drives could be low level
formatted with a utility from the manufactuer's website. That would surely
fix the problem.


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From: ksemple@ibm.net                                   28-Sep-99 07:21:06
  To: seansmith@racemark.com                            28-Sep-99 12:24:01
Subj: Re: SCSI/IDE combo system problem solved, sort of...

To: Sean Smith <seansmith@racemark.com>
From: ksemple@ibm.net

I understand that in a scsi/ide system, the boot drive driver in config.sys
has
to come first. I.E. if you boot scsi, put the scsi statement ahead of your ide
or perhaps first  in your config.sys. See your scsi tech support page.

Sorry if that is not the question you asked.

Sean Smith wrote:

> Hey all,
>
>     I had posted a plea for help a bit back asking for help getting access
> to my SCSI drives.  I did a few things that were suggested and managed to
> check a few things.  I booted with a Linux Slackware boot and root disk,
> (I'm DEFINITELY installing slack on my machine!  I liked it from even what I
> saw just booting and using it's FDISK.)  Well, that reported something about
> the drive not ending on a certain range or something.  OK, so I manager to
> get a copy of the latest Partition Magic on a boot disk and it tells me what
> the problem REALLY was.  The IDE drives are/were the problem.  Not sure why
> they're showing errors but basically, the partitions were reported as BAD by
> PM with something like a #111 and a #108 error.  PM Showed me that my SCSI
> drives were fully intact and all of the partitions in place.  So, I
> unplugged the IDE drives and managed to reboot, too bad I already screwed up
> my desktop or I would have been all set.  Oh well.  At least I can fully
> access the drives and get to all of my data.
>
>     *&% IDE.  I've already managed to trade that 6 Gig IDE for a 4 Gig SCSI,
> so I'm happy.  Now if I can only work a deal with the same guy to get that
> SCSI DAT tape backup he has...
>
>     Sean

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           28-Sep-99 07:04:08
  To: All                                               28-Sep-99 12:24:01
Subj: Re: HD partition table corrupted by win95 ?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37F07647.D46CA7D2@icn.siemens.de>, on 09/28/99 at 10:03 AM,
   Thomas Schuett <Thomas.Schuett@icn.siemens.de> said:


> It really looks like I should check again the version of the DOS and the
> fdisk I use. If it should be possible to delete a non DOS partition
> (what was not possible for me), maybe I really have an old version. 

I mentioned this in a reply to another in this thread. My recollection is
that Messydos (MS-DOS) Fdisk doesn't offer the option to delete a non-dos
partition. PC-DOS (IBM's version) does.

WHOOPS! My able right hand, my secretary, just came up with a Messydos
6.22 boot disk from somewhere in her desk (yes she is in the office at
0705). I will boot my notebook with it.

Ok, here's the scoop. Messydos will delete a non-dos PARTITION. However,
it doesn't see HPFS formatted volumes in an extended partition. I would be
willing to bet it won't see a FAT 32 volume either or one from any other
OS in a DOS or WARP created partition.

I might suggest either checking the drive manufacturer's website to see if
there is a low level format routine available. Also have you tried
Partition Magic? Have you tried FDISK /MBR?


> I remember a time, when I had lots of problems with "wrong DOS version",
> and I made some "setvers" or so. I should make sure to boot a clean 5.x.

> Also I will follow your reboot instructions after each step. If this can
> cause the problem, it is worth the waiting time. 

Not my suggestion, bu a very necessary one.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           28-Sep-99 07:19:04
  To: All                                               28-Sep-99 12:24:01
Subj: Re: HD partition table corrupted by win95 ?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37EFD307.2E0ADC4F@jm-usa.com>, on 09/27/99 at 04:26 PM,
   Stephen Eickhoff <eickhsr@jm-usa.com> said:

> You should be able to delete a non-DOS partition from DOS. It's usually
> option 3, Delete Partition or Logical DOS drive, then Delete Non-DOS
> partition. I suppose maybe you have a version of DOS I'm not familiar
> with (or I'm just remembering wrong).

Nope. I just found a Messydos (MS-DOS) 6.22 boot floppy. I booted my
notebook and ran its Fdisk. It offers 4 options under Item 3 - Delete
Partition or Logica DOS Drive. They are:

1. Delete Primary DOS Partition
2. Delete Extended DOS Partition
3. Delete Logical Dos Drive(s) in Extended DOS Partition
4. Delete Non-DOS Partition

Now here's the rub. If you have Non-DOS formatted logical drives in the
Extended DOS partition such as HPFS, FAT 32, etc. you cannot get rid of
the Extended DOS partition. It will complain that the partition is not
empty (it's not, of course) but won't assign a drive letter so you can
delete the sucker.

PC-DOS 7 also does the same thing unfortunately.

OS/2 Warp's FDISK can and will delete non-DOS volumes and partitions. Do
you have access to it?

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From: seansmith@racemark.com                            28-Sep-99 10:40:26
  To: All                                               28-Sep-99 14:36:27
Subj: Re: SCSI/IDE combo system problem solved, sort of...

From: "Sean Smith" <seansmith@racemark.com>

<ksemple@ibm.net> wrote in message news:37F0A4A9.895A157A@ibm.net...
> Sean Smith wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >     I had posted a plea for help a bit back asking for help getting
access
> > to my SCSI drives.  I did a few things that were suggested and managed
to
> > check a few things.  I booted with a Linux Slackware boot and root disk,
> > (I'm DEFINITELY installing slack on my machine!  I liked it from even
what I
> > saw just booting and using it's FDISK.)  Well, that reported something
about
> > the drive not ending on a certain range or something.  OK, so I manager
to
> > get a copy of the latest Partition Magic on a boot disk and it tells me
what
> > the problem REALLY was.  The IDE drives are/were the problem.  Not sure
why
> > they're showing errors but basically, the partitions were reported as
BAD by
> > PM with something like a #111 and a #108 error.  PM Showed me that my
SCSI
> > drives were fully intact and all of the partitions in place.  So, I
> > unplugged the IDE drives and managed to reboot, too bad I already
screwed up
> > my desktop or I would have been all set.  Oh well.  At least I can fully
> > access the drives and get to all of my data.
> >     *&% IDE.  I've already managed to trade that 6 Gig IDE for a 4 Gig
SCSI,
> > so I'm happy.  Now if I can only work a deal with the same guy to get
that
> > SCSI DAT tape backup he has...
> >     Sean
> I understand that in a scsi/ide system, the boot drive driver in
config.sys has
> to come first. I.E. if you boot scsi, put the scsi statement ahead of your
ide
> or perhaps first  in your config.sys. See your scsi tech support page.
> Sorry if that is not the question you asked.

    It was not the order of the drivers, since they were fine, it was the
way the system was recognizing the partitions when they were set up.  If a
primary partition was set up on the IDE drive, it would make it look like
the SCSI drive partitions were corrupted.  Removed the IDE drives and all
was fine.  I now have a second 4 Gig SCSI to put in there so I really don't
care, no IDE except for CD-ROM and LS-120 now.

    Sean



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From: jrenals@balham.demon.co.uk                        28-Sep-99 17:21:05
  To: All                                               28-Sep-99 16:15:09
Subj: DVD Drive

From: jrenals@balham.demon.co.uk

I'm in the process of buying a new PC.  
Can anyone recommend a DVD drive that works well under OS/2 - or one that
should be avoided !

-- 
James Renals

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     30-Sep-99 19:57:11
  To: All                                               30-Sep-99 21:28:07
Subj: Re: Trap E with U/W SCSI Drive...HELP !! :-)

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 30 Sep 1999 07:11:05 GMT, Christopher McRae wrote:

->b) Bootup off the 4G drive, OS/2 reports that drive D: (the 9G drive) was
->   stopped improperly. I run chkdsk /f on Drive D:, all looks fine. No
->   "FOUND0" directories....no reports about allocation errors etc.
->   (but why the need for a chkdsk anyway ??)

This sounds like you did the copy from a running OS/2 system and this may
be the cause of the problems. I always copy partitions from a diskette
boot using PMAGICOT.EXE.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               30-Sep-99 20:51:17
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: CD-RW as backup

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)


We are planning to buy an CD-RW external
unit to do backup's of a number of PC's. Some
of those have external SCSI-connectors, others
have only the paralell port available for that. Any-
one an advice what unit to buy, extra cablin needed,
drivers, software. What possible problems to expect?

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         01-Oct-99 00:20:19
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: CD-RW as backup

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:51:35, 
News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de 
Bruijn) wrote:

> 
> 
> We are planning to buy an CD-RW external
> unit to do backup's of a number of PC's. Some
> of those have external SCSI-connectors, others
> have only the paralell port available for that. Any-
> one an advice what unit to buy, extra cablin needed,
> drivers, software. What possible problems to expect?
> 
> Regards from Leeuwarden
> Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
> ---
> usethenet.at.the-net-4u.com (at becomes @)
> ----

I would strongly suggest a SCSI drive, 
and RSJ (it worth the expense), and 
BackAgain/2

With all that you should be well in 
business

//-------------------------
Good Luck

Bonne Chance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                30-Sep-99 21:15:14
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes

From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

Bob Germer wrote:

> On <37F2EC72.EC4A97AC@linkline.com>, on 09/29/99 at 09:52 PM,
>    "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com> said:
>
> > Have you looked in the EA*.CHK files to see what's there? Also, are you
> > allowing Win98 to "optimize" your system automatically? Win98's
> > defragger may destroy EAs (I have no knowledge that it does, it is
> > however possible).
>
> Oh, it can do far worse! On my ThinkPad the IBM installation of 98
> includes a bunch of "utilities". One of these is Norton AV, another is
> supposed to optomize performance. I didn't realize they would run
> automatically on certain dates. Unfortunately, I had to boot to 98 on the
> TP to connect to my ISP from a hotel across the continent. Since Warp only
> connects at 32,000 or so with the damn Winmodem IBM puts in the TP and I
> had to download a 5 meg file from our server, I decided to go the 98 route
> which gives me v.90 speeds.
>
> To make a long, sad story short, the damn things ran in the background
> without my realizing what was going on. By the time the DL was completed,
> I couldn't reach my Warp and Data partitions anymore. When I went to
> reboot, I got the message that my D partition was not accessible and my
> extended partition was corrupted. I had to use Warp's Fdisk to delete the
> entire thing (Win 98 Fdisk wouldn't), reformat the two volumes, and
> install a mini warp to get support for the Zip drive, and then do a
> restore.
>
> --
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
> MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
> Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>
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---------------

Things haven't got that bad yet but that is the sort of thing I'm worried
about. Something that
Win98 is doing for (err - to) my computer in the background without me knowing 
about it. I'm still
investigating. If anyone has a suggestion about how to catch the culprit in
the act I'd appreciate
it. Then I could delete or turn it off.

I know I could make at least my boot partition HPFS and then at least that
would be protected
against this sort of thing.

Thanks
Jim

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From: ytarhan@ibm.net                                   30-Sep-99 19:20:29
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Q: Adding components in second  box.

From: ytarhan@ibm.net

Hello everyone,

I am planning to add a SCSI CDR and tape drive to my W4 system.
I have one ISA and one PCI slot available. Since there is no space
inside the box, I decided to investigate using an empty tower
system as housing for the drives.  I am not going to add a HD
for the time being, but eventually the SCSI components will be
the basis of a second, pure-SCSI system (currently I have 2 EIDE
drives).

Here are my questions:

- Is it possible to install the SCSI card into the main unit,
  install the drives into the second box, connect the drives
  with a cable and power up the system, after SCSI adapter
  support has been installed?

- Is there a power-up sequence (for the boxes) that I should be
  aware of?  If I keep the second box turned off, would I
  be damaging the SCSI card, or the MB?  Would there be a 
  performance penalty?

- I know there are problems with improper SCSI 'termination'.
  What should I look for to avoid these?
  
- Since I have one ISA and one PCI slot available, which should I
  look for:  an ISA/SCSI or a PCI/SCSI card?


Could you give me a pointer or two, or better yet, share your
experiences if you have (succesfully) built similar systems?

Thanks in advance!!

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           01-Oct-99 02:08:29
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37F40B28.A24DA9C1@erols.com>, on 09/30/99 at 09:15 PM,
   Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com> said:


> Things haven't got that bad yet but that is the sort of thing I'm
> worried about. Something that Win98 is doing for (err - to) my computer
> in the background without me knowing about it. I'm still investigating.
> If anyone has a suggestion about how to catch the culprit in the act I'd
> appreciate it. Then I could delete or turn it off.

> I know I could make at least my boot partition HPFS and then at least
> that would be protected against this sort of thing.

Nope, not if you want WIn9x on your machine you cannot. The boot partition
must be a primary partition, either C or Boot Manager. And C  is where
Windows must reside. And it did indeed destroy my entire extended
partition.

--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              30-Sep-99 23:23:23
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Jim Parker wrote:
> Things haven't got that bad yet but that is the sort of thing I'm worried
about. Something that
> Win98 is doing for (err - to) my computer in the background without me
knowing about it. I'm still
> investigating. If anyone has a suggestion about how to catch the culprit in
the act I'd appreciate
> it. Then I could delete or turn it off.

It can be turned off all right. Go to (deep breath) System, Accessories,
System Tools, Maintenance Wizard, and tell it not to optimize and
generally mess with your system when you don't want it too. If there's
one thing worse than Windows doing things when you can see what it's up
to, it's having it do them behind your back!

There's more than one way to skin this cat: these are basically items in
the system scheduler, so you can stop them being scheduled in (another
deep breath) System, Accessories, System Tools, Scheduled Tasks if you
prefer.

Graham.

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               01-Oct-99 09:05:24
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 10:28:10
Subj: Re: CD-RW as backup

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)


> I would strongly suggest a SCSI drive, 
> and RSJ (it worth the expense), and 
> BackAgain/2
> 
> With all that you should be well in 
> business

Thanks but that would mean the hassle
and expense of fitting a SCSI-card into all
PC's with currently no (external) SCSI-port
also. Some of these might not even have
a slot free anymore. So what I need is a 
dual-purpose solution. Especially the possi-
ble pitfalls of the paralell port connection I
never read anything about. Thanks again.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: cocke@ibm.net                                     01-Oct-99 07:22:26
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 10:28:10
Subj: Re: Lost extended attributes

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net>

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:15:29 -0400, Jim Parker wrote:

<snipped>


>Things haven't got that bad yet but that is the sort of thing I'm worried
about. Something that
>Win98 is doing for (err - to) my computer in the background without me
knowing about it. I'm still
>investigating. If anyone has a suggestion about how to catch the culprit in
the act I'd appreciate
>it. Then I could delete or turn it off.
>
>I know I could make at least my boot partition HPFS and then at least that
would be protected
>against this sort of thing.
>
>Thanks
>Jim
>

To my everlasting shame, I have a Windud9x partition on my desktop 
(Railroad Tycoon II won't work under win-os2).  This probably isn't the 
most through approach, but it's a start:

One of the first things I do after installing the windows flavor of the 
week is to disable the scheduler, and I check the startup folder after 
every program install, removing anything that I don't need.  I also look
at the ini files frequently, checking for load and run statments.  I 
also search the registry for strings like 'autorun', 'autostart', 
'load', 'run', and 'schedule'.

I've never had anything start that _I_ didn't start under windows.



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From: seansmith@racemark.com                            01-Oct-99 09:32:00
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Re: Adding components in second  box.

From: "Sean Smith" <seansmith@racemark.com>

<ytarhan@ibm.net> wrote in message news:37F3F05B.85C@ibm.net...
> Hello everyone,
> I am planning to add a SCSI CDR and tape drive to my W4 system.
> I have one ISA and one PCI slot available. Since there is no space
> inside the box, I decided to investigate using an empty tower
> system as housing for the drives.  I am not going to add a HD
> for the time being, but eventually the SCSI components will be
> the basis of a second, pure-SCSI system (currently I have 2 EIDE
> drives).
> Here are my questions:
> - Is it possible to install the SCSI card into the main unit,
>   install the drives into the second box, connect the drives
>   with a cable and power up the system, after SCSI adapter
>   support has been installed?

    Yes, this is done all the time, it's called EXTERNAL SCSI.  It's pretty
common.  You are just creating an external SCSI enclosure instead of buying
one.

> - Is there a power-up sequence (for the boxes) that I should be
>   aware of?  If I keep the second box turned off, would I
>   be damaging the SCSI card, or the MB?  Would there be a
>   performance penalty?

    What, you turn your OS/2 system off?  Turnt eh drive case on first, then
the main system on.

> - I know there are problems with improper SCSI 'termination'.
>   What should I look for to avoid these?

    Last connector on the drive chain needs to be terminated.  I bought a
terminator that attached to the cable itself so all I do is remove
termination on all of the drives so I can put them anywhere else in the
chain and not worry about jumpers.  This is BY FAR the simplest.  Previously
every time I did some work, I was pulling out documentation,
removing/installing terminators, setting terminator power, ack!  Now I
simply remove termination on the drive, turn termination power off and plug
the drive in, making sure the terminator is on the last connector of the
cable.  Life is so much simpler now.  If only the documentation I have on
one of the drives was less confusing.  I need to dis-asseble my full tower
again and pull a drive and put a jumper back on to get Sync.

> - Since I have one ISA and one PCI slot available, which should I
>   look for:  an ISA/SCSI or a PCI/SCSI card?

    PCI is an excellent choice for SCSI.  I have a new (I took it out and
tested it) Asus PCI SC875, which is an NCR 53C875 Chipset, Ultra Fast and
Wide SCSI Controller.  The specs and info can be found at;
http://www.asus.com/products/addon/scsi/sc875/sc875-spec.html

    It works very well under DOS, Windows 95, Linux, and OS/2 WARP 3 and 4
(I've used/tested mine under all listed).  I have one and don't need the
second, I was going to build a second system with it but don't need it now.
I'll sell it for $65 shipped if you want it, e-mail me at
seansmith@racemark.com

    I'll give my voice # in e-mail if you want to speak to me.

> Could you give me a pointer or two, or better yet, share your
> experiences if you have (succesfully) built similar systems?
> Thanks in advance!!

    Well, you have a couple of options here.  Most SCSI cards (like the one
I am selling) have an external SCSI port of some sort.  When you use the
external port, you can only use one of the two internal channels.  You would
need to get a cable and on the other end where the drives are housed, you'd
need to get an Internal to External converter.  I happen to have one I think
(no cable, just the connector) from an old SCSI external CD-ROM, I'd let it
go for $10 (it's what it's worth to me).  I also have a Desktop PC case that
I'd sell too, that would be $15 plus shipping.

    The other option, which doesn't always work so well, is to get an
extra-long internal SCSI cable and run it from inside the one case to inside
the other.  This is a bad way of doing it as there's no easy way to
disconnect and move things without opening your case(s).

    Sean


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From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net                 01-Oct-99 17:25:15
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 17:06:16
Subj: Re: CD-RW as backup

From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net (Ken Walter)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:20:39, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
Racette) wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:51:35, 
>News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de 
>Bruijn) wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> We are planning to buy an CD-RW external
>> unit to do backup's of a number of PC's. Some
>> of those have external SCSI-connectors, others
>> have only the paralell port available for that. Any-
>> one an advice what unit to buy, extra cablin needed,
>> drivers, software. What possible problems to expect?
>> 
>> Regards from Leeuwarden
>> Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
>> ---
>> usethenet.at.the-net-4u.com (at becomes @)
>> ----
>
>I would strongly suggest a SCSI drive, 
>and RSJ (it worth the expense), and 
>BackAgain/2
>
>With all that you should be well in 
>business
>
[...]

There is also a problem with EAs unless the backup program
takes care of those.


Ken Walter

Remove -zamboni to reply
All the above is hearsay and the opinion of no one in particular

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From: jdparker@erols.com                                01-Oct-99 19:14:22
  To: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    01-Oct-99 23:42:03
Subj: Re: FAT32 IFS tips...

To: John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca>
From: Jim Parker <jdparker@erols.com>

First a question. I need the the FAT32 driver now but don't know where to
find it. Would you please point me to it?

Now, as to seeing two primary partitions at the same time: what version of
Boot Manager do you have? The reason I ask is that several years ago
PowerQuest licensed Boot Manager from IBM and distributed it with Partition
Magic 3.0. Later PowerQuest provided patches which made Boot Manager properly
handle FAT32 partitions. The symptom of failure is that two primary
partitions become visible at the same time if at least one of them is FAT32.
Sounds like the version of Boot Manager that you have is the old one and that
it is causing the problem. I don't know whether IBM ever distributed a Boot
Manage update or not. If you have Partition Magic 3.0, you can go to
PowerQuest's web site and download the patch. Then install the patch and,
finally, delete and reinstall Boot Manager. It is not a separate BootManager
patch. So I would not expect to be able to somehow apply their patch to the
Boot Manager that came with Warp.

BTW, PowerQuest is up to version 4.x of Partition Magic and 4.0 comes with
BootMagic which is different from Boot Manager. BootMagic can be installed in
either DOS or some flavor of Windows. It gets installed in that partition so
it doesn't take up a primary partition. When you boot up it takes over and
you can then select what partition gets booted, including the partition in
which BootMagic resides. Besides not taking up a primary, I believe it does
have another feature which may be useful: I think you can set up the
configuration so that it will hide/unhide partitions the way you want
depending on which partition you boot up. The disadvantage is that you must
have a DOS/Windows primary partition.

Jim

John Hong wrote:

>         First things first...hats off to Henk Kelder for a *swank* FAT32
> driver for OS/2. :-)
>
>         Anyhow, I have my FAT32 driver installed exactly the way I saw it
> in the fat32.txt file (ie. BASEDEV=PARTFLT.FLT /P 0b /W)
>
>         My hard drive is setup as the following:
>
> Win95 - Primary Partition - FAT32
> OS/2 - Primary Partition - HPFS
> Logical Partition - FAT32
> Boot Manager - Primary Partition
>
>         Now, when I launch OS/2, C: is OS/2, but it didn't hide the C:
> Win95 partition.  I can in fact read/write to it.  I didn't really want
> that, though.  Basically, I wanted the Win95/OS2 primary partitions
> completely hidden from one another.  So that made my original D:
> partition into an E: partition (now that Win95 was D:).
>         Any chance I can setup the driver so that I only see C: belonging
> to OS/2, and D: belonging to the logcal FAT32 partition?

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From: Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net                 01-Oct-99 19:15:14
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 23:42:03
Subj: Re: CD-RW as backup

From: "Dave" <Nullmudshark-505@worldnet.att.net>

On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:25:31 GMT, Ken Walter wrote:

>On Fri>There is also a problem with EAs unless the backup program
>takes care of those.

My back up system is to use an HD and then a CDR.  As far as EAs go, I use
InfoZIP for compression and that does the EAs.  I have a rexx script that
zips up directories into files with the directory names.  Yeah, its crude,
but its simple to do and restore.


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