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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               30-Sep-99 23:21:26
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Which Sound card for OS/2?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

e-frog schrieb:
> I got the Acer AW320 (it's a PCI card vs. an ISA card for the AW37 Pro)
> for about $38CDN, which is pretty cheap. It all seems to work fine, except
> OS/2 MIDI is not in the drivers yet (strangely, Win-OS2 MIDI is fine).

Have you ever tried the MPU driver from IBM so far? I have for my
Terratec card that also comes with no wavetable drivers and it works
very well.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                30-Sep-99 17:56:05
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

WolfgangHaas wrote:
> 
> I have inside 128 MB. Os/2 dedect only 64 MB on the WPS. Its a MSI Bpard
> mith AMD Athlon. All BIOS features brings not more as 64 MB.
> Please help me. The BIOS Version is 1.2

Wolfgang

Is the 128MB one piece or is it 2 64MB pieces?

If it is 128, is it double-sided (chips on both sides of the module)?

Some boards/BIOS can not correctly identify or use double-sided memory. 
If you are lucky, it uses 1 side (64MB)... not lucky at all 0MB.

Check to see if your motherboard supports 128MB sticks of memory.

Ron

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               30-Sep-99 23:01:00
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Tim Martin schrieb:
> 
> Sorry, I had several typos which may give a false impression.
> (Run the spellcheck Tim!)  Corrections below:

He he. Yeah, sometimes those darn old fingers will have their own way,
won't they?

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     30-Sep-99 21:08:05
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

In <37F38BD2.809D2527@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
--snip--
>If they wanted to offer an upgrade to Warp 5 this way it
>would be very easy to do.

Tim,

Well, it might be easy for IBM to do, and the process might be simple
(e.g.  straightforward) for the end-user, but it would take a bit
_longer_ than downloading a FixPak.  <grin>

    "A hundred diskettes of Warp on the site,
     A hundred diskettes of Warp.
     Download one and serve it around,
     Ninety-nine diskettes of warp on the site."

Gawd... just had a truly horrible thought. Is anyone out there using a 
2400 Baud modem?   <grin... I _hope_!>


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            30-Sep-99 21:23:00
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

Thanks for the info, Tim.

Now why can't you always be like this?
This is actually a cool (as in hip) and professional post.

(I didn't even notice the spelling errors :^) )


On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:12:03, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

> Using the RSU methid, the installation of IBM's latest
> FixPack release (FP12) was a piece of cake this morning.
> It is a little different than previous installations.  With
> this procedure I received a message that my system needed
> further updating and I was instruced to bring up the
> Window List (Control-Escape) and select (or run actually)
> a new update program.
> 
> This took me into a full blank screen that went into a
> procedure much the same way Warp is originally
> installed.
> 
> When it was over I was asked if I wanted to delete the
> unneeded files (said yes) and to then reboot.
> 
> I'm back online and raring to go!  Here's my syslevel
> information:
> 
> J:\OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.FPK
>                            OS/2 Warp 4 Service Level
> Version 1.00     Component ID 566933010
> Type Fixpak
> Current CSD level: XR0M012
> Prior   CSD level: XR0M012
> 
> As you can see, I'm not at FP12 level.  I DID NOT install the
> Device Driver FixPak1 (Yet) but may do so later today.
> 
> I just want to assure all you OS/2 folks that the RSU method
> does work (now, it was not working late last night) and it
> appears IBM has now got this software update procedure
> working well.
> 
> If YOU want to upgrade to FP12 go here:
> 
> http://ps.boulder.ibm.com/softupd.html
> 
> If they wanted to offer an upgrade to Warp 5 this way it
> would be very easy to do.
> 
> Tim Martin
> The OS/2 Guy
> Warp City
> http://warpcity.com
> "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City.
> 

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
=======================================================
If we could have our cake _and_ eat it,
people would start whining about seconds.
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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 30-Sep-99 20:16:17
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37f445ae$1$nfxovyy$mr2ice@news1.ibm.net>, askbill*AT*ibm.net writes:
>In <19990930.17514765@ds9.more4u.de>, on 09/30/99 
>   at 05:51 PM, Robert Schroeder <rob@schroeder.net> said:
>
>>Hello all!
>
>>I just had a few words with Mark Russinovich, Ph.D., Vice President of
>>Engineering, Winternals Software (http://www.winternals.com), and
>>developer of "NTFS for Windows 98"
>
>*SNIP* stuff about how he goes about it...
>
>>Mark seems to agree he might be able to provide an "HPFS for Windows 98"
>>version with the help of the HPFS driver (pinball.sys) from NT 3.51
>>without having to do too much coding, but he said, "with OS/2 dead" he
>>wouldn't want to spend any time at all on it.
>
>>(Remark: we tried to get the HPFS driver working instead of the NTFS
>>driver without any coding at all, unfortunately without success).
>
>>In a later reply, Mark wrote: "If you could prove to me that at least
>>10,000 people would be interested, then I might consider looking into 
>>it."
>
>>Is that something realistic?
>
>>Best,
>>Robert
>
>Hardly.  Doubt one could find even 100 people.
>
snippersed>

>FInally - I have a hard time understanding why anyone would *WANT* to do
>it.
>
>By and large, WIN-9X folks have neither the need for, nor the interest in,
>high-performance file systems in general or HPFS in particular.  There is
>not even very much interest in HPFS under NT, where it is fairly easy to
>implement (shipped included up thru NT 3.51).  Let us not forget, however, 
>that the NT version of HPFS is not current.
>
>

from the evidence here, most OS/2 users who also use an MS OS use NT.
HPFS support in NT is already easy to install. 100 buyers might be a 
generous estimate ?


>If the good Doctor Russinovich wants to write something *really* helpful,
>how about a fix for the verdamnt SIQ?  That I would buy.  Several, even.
>
>Working properly, it would not only NOT hang, it would NOT permit ANY app
>to take the focus away from the guy at the keyboard (the one who paid for
>all this stuff!)
>
>Any app loading in the background would, thank you very much, STAY in the
>background,
> NOT pop to the top while you are in the middle of doing something else.
>
>Same for warnings, error messages, etc.  Set a blinking light in the
>Warpcenter if need be, but DO NOT take my keyboard and screen until I get
>around to you...
>

Mr Hacker, I'd like to officially welcome you to the "Too Stupid to 
Discriminate Between Roses and Dog Shit Society."  We have meetings 
on the third Wednesday of each month, trying to find answers for
problems with OS/2 which, of course, do not exist. IBM, as we all know, is 
in BUSINESS to increase their BOTTOM LINE, when they're not so-kindly 
spending .00001% of their net for worthy charities to improve the condition 
of businesskind.

As a member of Too Stupid, we'd like to remind you NOT to comprehend 
IBM press releases  informing you that :

" IBM's newest, worldwide, e-business initiative
  establishes business intelligence as the next
  major wave of e-business. The initiative includes
  new relationship marketing solutions for small and
  medium businesses;

"  IBM's FastStart Program for business intelligence
  enables businesses with limited resources 

(remember, SOHO is clearly NOT IBM's market)

"  IBM SecureWay* Firewall Version 4.1 for Windows NT
   strengthens e-mail protection and security for Internet 
   multimedia applications. 

"RealNetworks, Inc.'s RealSystem** G2 streaming
  media delivery system has been integrated with
  Lotus Notes** and Domino R5, allowing users to
  view, create, and stream media in rich multimedia
  applications. RealSystem G2 integration, via IBM
  HotMedia* Connect for Domino, is included at no
  charge in Notes and Domino.

(Multimedia is NOT a BUSINESS requirement)

"  Join the "Planning for Windows 2000" Web broadcast
  on 13 October, the first in a series of four
  presented by IBM and Windows NT Magazine, to hear
  how to make seamless transition to Windows 2000**.

"Worldwide IBM Seminars about Windows
  2000 Begin in Europe in Late October
  IBM's Windows 2000 offerings will range across the
  spectrum of system software and applications for
  all types of industries and businesses.

"  Come to an IBM seminar about Windows 2000 for
  information about how Windows 2000 works

"  A complimentary, half-day, executive seminar,

"A simplified pricing model for DB2 Spatial Extender

"RealSystem G2 integration, via IBM HotMedia* Connect 
  for Domino, is included at no charge

"  IBM has officially launched developerWorks*, a
  free, online resource that helps developers to
  build better software. The new Open Source Zone,
  a forum for all of IBM's open source projects,
  allows developers to submit changes and fixes to
  code. The revamped Security Zone provides more
  complete information about writing secure code.

( IBM HAS to charge for OS/2 Java and Netscape, they are in 
BUSINESS to make money.)


and the Society Motto, 
"Hooray ! IBM gives *us* free fixpacks ! Hare hare IBM ! Duh"

(don't forget to wear your pocket protector)

>
>Regards,
>
>Bill Hacker
>
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>askbill@ibm.net (William B. Hacker, III)
>
>Titanic '12   NYSE '29   Windows '95 and subsequent.....
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>


--
Hrad ngravvrd


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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               30-Sep-99 23:25:00
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: XFree86, GIMP and GhostScript????

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Ray Appleby schrieb:
> 
> I installed the X11 version (from Hobbes) of GhostScript branching
> from the root directory of XFree86 (retaining the paths in the ZIP)
> but when I try to open an EPS file, I get the message "Can't find
> gs_init.ps".
> 
> I can't find any references to setup (expected directories, etc) and
> several searches of DEJA didn't bring up anything I could hang my hat
> on.
> 
> What is the proper setup for GhostScript under XFree86?
> 
> Is it possible to use a later version of GhostScript (without
> compiling the code)?

Yeah. There is 5.50. In this version you can't use anti-aliasing in X
however. Have a look at
http://www.ime.rwth-aachen.de/~michael/os2/ghostscript/index.html

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                30-Sep-99 16:15:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: CHKDSK curiosity

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:

0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.

On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody know
why?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca                       30-Sep-99 20:25:15
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Which Sound card for OS/2?

From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Tom Brown (tabrown@nospam.ibm.net) wrote:
: I want to buy a sound card for use under Warp 4.0 and sometimes W'NT. 
: I want to balance function (high) with cost (low) :-)>

: Any recommendations?  Thanks!

I got the Acer AW320 (it's a PCI card vs. an ISA card for the AW37 Pro) 
for about $38CDN, which is pretty cheap. It all seems to work fine, except
OS/2 MIDI is not in the drivers yet (strangely, Win-OS2 MIDI is fine).


Isaac

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From: jstotz@canoemail.com                              30-Sep-99 13:28:11
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: James Stotz <jstotz@canoemail.com>

You would have better luck with NTFS for OS/2

Robert Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I just had a few words with Mark Russinovich, Ph.D., Vice President of
> Engineering, Winternals Software (http://www.winternals.com), and
> developer of "NTFS for Windows 98"
> (http://www.sysinternals.com/ntfs98.htm), the second beta of which
> (freeware, expires 31-Oct) just came out today.
>
> The final version will probably be marketed als commercial software
> which would have to come somewhere in between their "FAT32 for NT"
> ($39) and "NTFSDOS Tools" ($89); a more exact statement will probably
> follow some time soon.
>
> "NTFS for Windows 98" ist a fully read/write capable NTFS driver fur
> Windows 95/98, based on the original NTFS driver of Windows NT and its
> exact code. That driver (ntfs.sys) is being incorporated with the help
> of a wrapper, which rebuilds the IFS-relevant part of the NT
> architecture under 95/98.
>
> Mark seems to agree he might be able to provide an "HPFS for Windows
> 98" version with the help of the HPFS driver (pinball.sys) from NT
> 3.51 without having to do too much coding, but he said, "with OS/2
> dead" he wouldn't want to spend any time at all on it.
>
> (Remark: we tried to get the HPFS driver working instead of the NTFS
> driver without any coding at all, unfortunately without success).
>
> In a later reply, Mark wrote: "If you could prove to me that at least
> 10,000 people would be interested, then I might consider looking into
> it."
>
> Is that something realistic?
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> (P.S.: Followups to comp.os.os2.misc)

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           30-Sep-99 20:29:18
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Need CD playe file

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:36:48, rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) 
wrote:

..snip...
> I did.  No go.  I tried two other cdplayers I found and nothing works.
> It's a PAS 16 with a EIDE Sony CD.
> 
> What's weird is that the dos utility that came with the drivers called
> Music Box works fine as do all other sound stuff does.
> 
> But no OS/2 application will and the one that's supposed to either won't
> install or is corrupt.
> 
>                       email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com
> 

Have you tried reinstalling the drivers?

Perhaps, someone with a similar setup could post the appropriate 
CONFIG.SYS lines, so you could check that it got installed properly.

It sounds like something is missing...
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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           30-Sep-99 20:29:18
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Software choice Bomb from IBM

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:59:26, nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John 
Thompson) wrote:

> In <7st84d$4lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, ronblatt@my-deja.com writes:
> 
> >Microsoft has never charged for their JDK, and neither has Sun (in case
> >you didn't want the MS version). Netscape is totally free for home use,
> >as is Internet Explorer. And keep in mind, Software Choice never
> >garauntees that you will see any new products.
> 
> Or that the products they will offer will be any use to you...
> 
> -John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)
> 

Or, for that matter, that they will even WORK for you...
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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           30-Sep-99 20:29:19
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: When OS/2 comes to a temporary halt...

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:21:15, Henk kelder 
<nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl> wrote:

> This is an expert question:
> 
> I have a customer where OS/2 runs under heavy load. 
> (Warp 3, P90, 64Mb, WinTV card, CimView, Special Digital IO card).
> 
> 
> Under some (not quite clear) circumstances OS/2 comes to a halt. System
> is unresponsive for sometimes up to a minute or two. During this free
> sometimes some processes suddenly vanish with no message in POPUPLOG.OS2
> or on the screen. Also other errors are seen. Might be a resource
> problem.
> 
> The swapfile is not very large. 
> The INI's are < 1 Mb total.
> 
> I need advise on what tools I can use to determine what process or
> system component is causing this. 
> Is SPM/2 still available?
> 
> Any other ideas ?
> 
> Henk Kelder
> Cap Gemini Nederland.
> 
> -- 
> Remove nospam when replying..

I may be wrong, but there is a possibility that you have a resource 
conflict (IRQ, or DMA) somewhere. 

Many people believe that using IRQ7 for anything other than the 
printer port, is OK, as long as you don't use /IRQ on the PRINT01.SYS 
line (or, don't use PRINT01.SYS at all). This is NOT true (unless 
there is no printer port, or it is set use another IRQ). Eventually, 
it WILL cause hangs, which may be what you are seeing. Some systems 
will run for years without a problem, others won't even boot, if you 
try this. (Of course, PCI cards CAN share IRQs).

RMVIEW may show you something, IF all of the device drivers are 
"resource manager aware", and IF all of the devices have a driver 
installed. If not, RMVIEW will not list the resources being used by 
the devices. If the resources are not listed by RMVIEW, you may need 
to GUESS at what some of the devices are actually trying to use.

I would suspect that some kind of IRQ sharing is taking place (just 
because of the number of devices that you list, especially the special
I/O card). You may need to remove devices to isolate the source of the
problem.

One other thing (that I never heard causes problems, but...), the OS/2
install process screws up, and installs both BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD and 
BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD in CONFIG.SYS. You should only have the first one
(unless you have a microchannel machine).

Hope this helps...
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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           30-Sep-99 20:29:20
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Which Sound card for OS/2?

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:11:12, gridbias@ibm.net wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>  
> I got the Acer AW37 Pro from J3 for $33.80 including shipping (last
> October). This card has the Crystal Semiconductor chips recommended by
> Timur Tabi. OS/2 drivers are available and come with the card. Works
> great with OS/2 and Windows 98 as well.
>  
> Larry
>  
> Tom Brown wrote:
> 

I will second that choice (or the cheaper, AW37, unless you need the 
real wave table stuff, instead of a software implementation of 
wavetable). I have used a number of these cards (the AW35 pro, and the
AW37), with great results. (Better sound than some of the more 
expensive cards, and it WORKS in OS/2, uh oh yeah, it works well in 
that OTHER OS too). Not 100% sure about NT though.

Hope this helps...
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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               30-Sep-99 23:13:14
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Richard Steiner schrieb:
> The command interpreter (in the default case COMMAND.COM, and in my
> case 4DOS.COM) running in a VDM is a real program, certainly.
> 
> However, the command interpreter is not DOS.  It parses both the DOS
> command line and DOS batch files, yes, but it's just a DOS program.
> 
> The real work is really done by the DOS kernel (which provides various
> DOS system services via DOS interrupts).
> 
> The "DOS kernel" in a VDM is not a real DOS kernel at all, but rather
> an emulation.  There is no IO.SYS or MSDOS.SYS, only a series of hooks
> which look like DOS interrupts, but which actually hook into the OS/2
> kernel.
> 
> Because the DOS kernel is the portion of DOS which actually provides
> DOS services to DOS programs, and because the kernel in a default VDM
> is an emulation, one can legitimately say that the DOS present in a
> VDM is emulated.
> 
> I think Joe's usage of "simulated" is also largely correct.
> 
> Does that clarify things?

Aahhh. It's nice to learn something new about this. Do you happen to
know about Win-OS/2? I think it's 16-bit code.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               30-Sep-99 23:18:22
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 02:22:09
Subj: Re: Software choice Bomb from IBM

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Ron Vopicka schrieb:
> 
> > What about the over 13.000 people who ORDERED a new client? This would
> > surely have been a revenue stream, but nothing happened! So why should
> > anything happen NOW?
> >
> 
> As has been mentioned elsewhere in this broad discussion, if we had
> 50,000,000 licenses out there... we wouldn't be in this situation.
> 
> You need to work on moving the decimal point another 3 positions.

So you think that enough people will subsscribe to Software Choice
instead of buying a new client to move the decimal pointer enough?
Helloooo, wake up!!!

Christian Hennecke
-- 
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From: clive@cee3DOTdemonDOTco.uk                        01-Oct-99 01:31:18
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: Reinstalling Win95 with OS2

From: "Clive" <clive@cee3DOTdemonDOTco.uk>

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:20:14 -0400, John Griffin wrote:

:>just install 95/98 like usuall and it will indeed ill boot manager but its
:>still there...once 95/98 is installed use fdisk to reset the boot manager
:>partion to active, reboot and there you go your back in buisness....
:>(i dont want to sound like a know it all, someone in here told me how and
:>i dont remember his name) but is on some os2 pages....
:>


..BUT, since you have OS/2 on E, do NOT install FAT32.  This will render the
partition invisible to BM and screw up your drive letter assignations (as I
hade only just found out (fortunately, PartionMagic was able to convert FAT32
back to FAT which gave Bootmanager a C drive thus reviving E..)

,c.



:>"A. Willard Reese" wrote:
:>
:>> I have Win311 on a primary (C) Dos partition and Win95 on a primary
:>> (C) partition on the same hard drive.
:>> D partition is a logical Dos partition.
:>> E (OS2 Warp 4.0) is an HPFS partition.
:>> I am using OS2 Boot Manager which is the first partition on the
:>> physical drive.
:>>
:>> My problem is that Win 95 has become corrupted (not unexpected) and I
:>> must do a reinstall of Win95 from the cdrom.  I don't exactally
:>> remember how I first set this up and how it affected Boot Manager.  If
:>> I proceed with a normal Win 95 installation will it delete Boot
:>> Manager?  How do I then reinstall Boot Manager?  Will it automatically
:>> install in the primary C drive which presently contains Win95?  Am I
:>> apt to loose my Win 311 primary partition?
:>> I guess the question is "how do I proceed to reinstall Win95 (ugh)
:>> without affecting any of the other partitions (including boot manager)
:>> and especially OS2"?
:>> Thanks in advance for any help.
:>> Willard
:>
:>--
:>If Your Not Using OS/2 Your Working Too Hard
:>
:>



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From: dmckenn@ibm.net                                   30-Sep-99 20:21:03
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: When OS/2 comes to a temporary halt...

From: "David McKenna" <dmckenn@ibm.net>

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:21:15 +0200, Henk kelder wrote:

>I need advise on what tools I can use to determine what process or
>system component is causing this. 
>Is SPM/2 still available?
>
>Any other ideas ?
>
>Henk Kelder
>Cap Gemini Nederland.
>
   Maybe Stardocks' ProcessCommander or get Netfinity 5.2.5 at
ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/pc_servers/s525os2e.exe (a *big* file). I much
prefer Process Commander.

Dave McKenna



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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                30-Sep-99 20:20:02
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

Am I the only one who sees a strange irony here?

If instead of a few billion bits of object code we substituted a few
billion (or billion billion) cells, we could be talking about a person
who is terminally ill and/or comatose with no hope of revival.

The family/wife/guardian (manufacturer) says, "Hal is no longer living a
meaningful and maintaining him by artificial means neither serves any
good purpose nor is what Hal would have wanted... we should remove
artificial life support which is a constant financial drain on us and an
emotion drain on the family (staff)."

And so begins the hew and cry.

A religious right-to-life group decries that Hal has a right to live
under all circumstances using any technology available until either:

a. a miracle returns Hal to vigorous existence
b. the last neuron fires and the last undirected reflex action occurs
(the last user leaves and turns out the light)

So the family says.  We cannot afford to keep Hal on life support for
financial reasons, and more importantly because it serves no purpose. 
Hal had his day in the sun... but now the sun is setting.  We do
understand how others, too, love Hal and could consider them taking over
Hal's life support costs, with the understanding that Hal is to be what
he always was, his body is not to be dismembered for its organs nor
should his brain be placed in formaldehyde and be made available for
public viewing.  His cells are not to be cloned, because Hal wanted to
do his own procreation and not just serve as a template for some
tinkertoy manufacturer.  Perhaps, all of you wonderful people who loved
him so long and so well will contribute to his upkeep.

The religious right-to-life group was so aghast at this attitude that
they moved immediately to have the courts enjoin the family from taking
Hal off life support.  The court issued a cease and desist order to save
Hal while a panel of experts could be assembled to report to the court.

Hal continued to weaken, but got a lot of media coverage.  The family,
following some of the coverage commented, "There are more people talking
about Hal now than when he was well.  Why couldn't they support him back
when he was healthier.  Over the last several years, no one new came to
see him.  Just a few old friends, coming less and less often... but
always wanting a handout.  But you know how Hal was, he gave until it
hurt... I think that is what is killing him now."

"We wonder where everyone has been in the last few years.  That was when
he wanted to transplant his brain into some new bodies, but an
arch-rival made bodies unavailable to him.  So much for care to those in
the most need with the most to gain from it."

Eventually, Hal did die.  The court panel was studying how they should
be seated at the table for deliberations.  The right-to-lifers kept up
their media blitz.  Hal suffered a final complication and could no
longer be interfaced to the latest and greatest support devices being
made available to him.  He moaned in great pain (he had been silent for
months) just before one last great muscular convulsion... sweat pouring
down his temples.

As he was pronounced dead, a person in the background could be heard to
say, "I'll take his liver (netscape) if it is not too infected or if I
can't get a better one cheaper (or free) someplace else, but I'm not
interested in the rest of his guts, someone else can have those if they
want them."

This is a sad story regardless of whether you talk about Einstein's
brain, or a little old lady with liver cancer... or Hal.  But everybody
that wants a handout but without responsibilities.  Those that have the
responsibilities... are punished.

Ron

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          01-Oct-99 08:45:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

During the install you are given the option of installing DOS
support or DOS/WIN-OS2 support. You can also choose
not to install network support but it will do a partial install for
some reason. In the SYSTEM SETUP\INSTALL/REMOVE 
folder there is an icon for removing TCPIP support and one
removing networking.

Hope this helps

Cheers

Wayne

On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:45:05 GMT, williamd1 wrote:

:>Just wondering, does Warp 4 offer the option of NOT installing the
:>Win-OS/2 and/or network support? I have the Warp 3 Blue Spine but
:>never install the Win support as I have that in dual-boot under Win95.
:>Still a newbie with OS/2, but thinking of moving up to Warp 4...
:>
:>Bill
:>
:>__
:>williamd1@ibm.net
:>
:>
:>
:>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:43:10 +0200, Christian Hennecke
:><christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
:>
:>>I'd suggest that you get Warp 4 instead if you're serious. Warp 4 has
:>>some nice features that Warp 3 doesn't and IBM has recently stopped
:>>support for Warp 3, i.e. no more fixpaks. This will also keep you from
:>>needing to fiddle around with the system to get some new programs
:>>running.
:>>BTW, Warp 4 has all the stuff (Win-OS/2, network stuff) built in.

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: johnsimmo@bigpond.com                             01-Oct-99 09:43:22
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: John Simmonds <johnsimmo@bigpond.com>

What about the bios setting for memory above 64mB. Mine needs this
setting to be for OS2, rather than non-OS2 opsys
John

Ron Vopicka wrote:
> 
> WolfgangHaas wrote:
> >
> > I have inside 128 MB. Os/2 dedect only 64 MB on the WPS. Its a MSI Bpard
> > mith AMD Athlon. All BIOS features brings not more as 64 MB.
> > Please help me. The BIOS Version is 1.2
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> Is the 128MB one piece or is it 2 64MB pieces?
> 
> If it is 128, is it double-sided (chips on both sides of the module)?
> 
> Some boards/BIOS can not correctly identify or use double-sided memory.
> If you are lucky, it uses 1 side (64MB)... not lucky at all 0MB.
> 
> Check to see if your motherboard supports 128MB sticks of memory.
> 
> Ron

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From: swaugh1@ibm.net                                   30-Sep-99 19:51:26
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: Which Sound card for OS/2?

From: Scott <swaugh1@ibm.net>

I just had to repost this from the Multimedia forum as I thought it was a
great answer to the same question asked here, I'm using the Turtle Beach
Montego A3D Xstream and it sounds wonderful...

       From:
             "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>
 Organization:
             Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
 Newsgroups:
             comp.os.os2.multimedia
  References:

I have found the Aureal A3D Vortex 1 card to be very nice for OS/2
sound.  Digital recording MP3 sound are the best I have heard.  The only
drawback is that there is no Win-OS2 sound.  I don't use Win-OS2 so this
isn't a problem.  I have found four Aureal 8820-based cards. All are
available retail at CompUSA so I have also listed the CompUSA SKU# and
the retail price.

      1. "Magic Wave A3D Audio Accelerator PCI" by I/O Magic. SKU#
195304 $39.99

      2. "Diamond Sonic Impact S90" by Diamond Multimedia. SKU# 216601
$49.99

      3. "HiVal PCI 338 A3D Sound Card" SKU# 192299 $49.99

      4. "Montego A3D Xstream" by Turtle Beach. SKU# 192288. $49.99

These prices might not be current as they are from 2/99.  You can get
the Aureal OS/2 drivers at:

http://www.aureal.com/download/do_driv.htm

Enjoy!

Tom Brown wrote:

> I want to buy a sound card for use under Warp 4.0 and sometimes W'NT.
> I want to balance function (high) with cost (low) :-)>
>
> Any recommendations?  Thanks!
>
> Tom Brown
> tabrown@nospam.ibm.net
> remove nospam to reply

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                30-Sep-99 20:59:13
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> What about the bios setting for memory above 64mB. Mine needs this
> setting to be for OS2, rather than non-OS2 opsys
> John

I don't believe any modern board needs that anymore, but the setting
persists, so if it is there... can't hurt to set it (if it is not
already set).

Ron

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From: szrob@ns.net                                      01-Oct-99 00:13:05
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: szrob@ns.net (John Roberts)

  Just saw a posting on Sun's web page and saw Staroffice for sale for
6.95.  Actually the cd comes with three or four ports of the program. 
Is this collection of things worth getting for OS2?  I seem to 
remember reading in the Linux groups that Staroffice ran slowly.  
Might be wrong though.
Any comments?

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From: swaugh1@ibm.net                                   30-Sep-99 20:13:21
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: Scott <swaugh1@ibm.net>

John, just my personal opinion, but I think it (version 5.1) runs as
quickly as Office 97 products (I use those at work on a similiar computer
- with an inferior operating system ;-).  The price is really unbelievable
considering how much the product does....and it's portability.  I thought
it felt pretty polished too.

Alot of it depends on your hardware too, if you're running a pentium 166
with 64mb RAM it's not going to be real quick, but neither would Office or
Wordperfect 2000 etc...

John Roberts wrote:

>   Just saw a posting on Sun's web page and saw Staroffice for sale for
> 6.95.  Actually the cd comes with three or four ports of the program.
> Is this collection of things worth getting for OS2?  I seem to
> remember reading in the Linux groups that Staroffice ran slowly.
> Might be wrong though.
> Any comments?

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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           30-Sep-99 23:54:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Frank McKenney wrote:
> 

[***SNIP!!!***]

> Gawd... just had a truly horrible thought. Is anyone out there using a
> 2400 Baud modem?   <grin... I _hope_!>
> 
> Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
> Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
> E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

Eeek!!! Reminds me of the days of using a teletype terminal on a 110
baud modem back in university!

Can you imagine even browsing the web that way?
-- 

============================================================
To respond via e-mail - remove the "go-away-spammers"
portion of the Reply to: value.

Mark L. Kahnt, C.P. Box 1263, Kingston, Ontario   K7L 4Y8
Voix:        (613) 531-8767   Cellulaire: (613) 539-0935
Telecopieur: (613) 531-8684   Email: kahnt@adan.kingston.net

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                30-Sep-99 20:58:24
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: Netscape Support [was: Re: Two e-mail addresses?

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Graham C. Norris wrote:
>
> Dale Erwin wrote:
> > I looked at my message after I posted it, and I was sure someone was
> > going to think that I was trying to access some web site without
> > having connected to the internet.  That is not case.  Communicator
> > gives this message in all cases whether I am connected or not.
> > verson 2.02 gives this message when I'm not connected, but accesses
> > whatever server just fine when I am connected.  For some reason, and
> > I can't think of what it might be, Communicator is NOT finding my
> > connection, or so it would appear.
>
> Ok, so how are you starting NS 2.02 and NS 4.xx? I'm thinking along the
> lines that one of 'em is picking up the wrong files (DLLs in particular)
> from the PATH/LIBPATH. Or that one of them is started automatically from
> a dialer and the other not, and that may make a difference.
>
> Graham.
 
Both started the same way (neither is started from a dialer) by
clicking on the icon shadow in the Tab Launchpad.  Sometimes I start
them by opening their respective folders and double-clicking the
icon in the folder, but the results are the same.

I have been going thru my config.sys backups from the time the product
was first installed.  It seems that when I installed Visual Age COBOL
the install placed its directories at the beginning of the PATH and
LIBPATH concatenations and also put a "." at the very beginning.  I
notice a remark in some of them that this "." can't be in front of
Netscape\Java11.

Is there any requirement that the directory be named NETSCAPE?

Just wanted to add one more thing:  I uninstalled both 2.02 and 4.04
before installing 4.61.
--
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: askbill*AT*ibm.net                                01-Oct-99 11:36:12
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:09
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: askbill*AT*ibm.net

In <c1.01.2SN8jb$0AH@hamei.pacbell.net>, on 09/30/99 
   at 08:16 PM, hamei@pacbell.net said:

>In <37f445ae$1$nfxovyy$mr2ice@news1.ibm.net>, askbill*AT*ibm.net writes:
>>In <19990930.17514765@ds9.more4u.de>, on 09/30/99 
>>   at 05:51 PM, Robert Schroeder <rob@schroeder.net> said:
>>
>>>Hello all!
>>
>>>I just had a few words with Mark Russinovich, Ph.D., Vice President of
>>>Engineering, Winternals Software (http://www.winternals.com), and
>>>developer of "NTFS for Windows 98"
>>
>>*SNIP* stuff about how he goes about it...
>>
>>>Mark seems to agree he might be able to provide an "HPFS for Windows 98"
>>>version with the help of the HPFS driver (pinball.sys) from NT 3.51
>>>without having to do too much coding, but he said, "with OS/2 dead" he
>>>wouldn't want to spend any time at all on it.
>>
>>>(Remark: we tried to get the HPFS driver working instead of the NTFS
>>>driver without any coding at all, unfortunately without success).
>>
>>>In a later reply, Mark wrote: "If you could prove to me that at least
>>>10,000 people would be interested, then I might consider looking into 
>>>it."
>>
>>>Is that something realistic?
>>
>>>Best,
>>>Robert
>>
>>Hardly.  Doubt one could find even 100 people.
>>
>snippersed>

>>FInally - I have a hard time understanding why anyone would *WANT* to do
>>it.
>>
>>By and large, WIN-9X folks have neither the need for, nor the interest in,
>>high-performance file systems in general or HPFS in particular.  There is
>>not even very much interest in HPFS under NT, where it is fairly easy to
>>implement (shipped included up thru NT 3.51).  Let us not forget, however, 
>>that the NT version of HPFS is not current.
>>
>>

>from the evidence here, most OS/2 users who also use an MS OS use NT.
>HPFS support in NT is already easy to install. 100 buyers might be a 
>generous estimate ?


>>If the good Doctor Russinovich wants to write something *really* helpful,
>>how about a fix for the verdamnt SIQ?  That I would buy.  Several, even.
>>
>>Working properly, it would not only NOT hang, it would NOT permit ANY app
>>to take the focus away from the guy at the keyboard (the one who paid for
>>all this stuff!)
>>
>>Any app loading in the background would, thank you very much, STAY in the
>>background,
>> NOT pop to the top while you are in the middle of doing something else.
>>
>>Same for warnings, error messages, etc.  Set a blinking light in the
>>Warpcenter if need be, but DO NOT take my keyboard and screen until I get
>>around to you...
>>

>Mr Hacker, I'd like to officially welcome you to the "Too Stupid to 
>Discriminate Between Roses and Dog Shit Society."  We have meetings  on
>the third Wednesday of each month, trying to find answers for problems
>with OS/2 which, of course, do not exist. IBM, as we all know, is  in
>BUSINESS to increase their BOTTOM LINE, when they're not so-kindly 
>spending .00001% of their net for worthy charities to improve the
>condition  of businesskind.

>As a member of Too Stupid, we'd like to remind you NOT to comprehend  IBM
>press releases  informing you that :

>" IBM's newest, worldwide, e-business initiative
>  establishes business intelligence as the next
>  major wave of e-business. The initiative includes
>  new relationship marketing solutions for small and
>  medium businesses;

*SNIP* Lots of IBM lies.......

Harald,

Thanks.  I was an early member of the "Too Stoopid" society.

Came with the proficiency rating for the Western Electric M33 FDC. - if we
could build a vacuum-tube analog computer in the 1950's  that could still
accurately hit a bomber with 10% of its tubes missing, - why do Wintel
machines have to be rebooted - ever?
(M33 was replaced with a modified PDP-8 - which provided for  reducing
both required space and system reliability -
- but was "modern all-digital" at the time).

Membership renewed on the Burroughs D825.  AKA BUIC.  First digital
computer with parallel processing.  Two sides of the system begin blaming
each other for errors - forever.  "Reboot" invented. Beginning of the
modern era, that!

Elevated to exalted status on AN/FSQ-7 (IBM Federal Systems "Whirlwind
II"). First large-scale real time computer.  Sort of.  Depends on how
"real" your time is. Was able to selectively shed workload to keep
application within its ability to perform. Not by GPF's, either. 
Gracefully.

Marketeers, managements, OS and hardware designers seem determined  to
repeat the errors of the past ** instead of the successes **.

- Every one of the above machines separated its diagnostics and control
I/O from its application display.  Not only were there multiple CRT's,
there were separate hardware systems for the diagnostics and maintenance.

We could do that SO easily today.  But we do not.

BTW - the Roses are the ones with the nice texture, right?

Bill

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
askbill@ibm.net (William B. Hacker, III)

Titanic '12   NYSE '29   Windows '95 and subsequent.....
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From: derwin@airmail.net                                30-Sep-99 21:11:28
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Richard Steiner wrote:
> 
> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>
> spake unto us, saying:
> 
> >Joe Kovacs wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, OS/2's DOS box doesn't exist.  It's a simulation, a
> >> shell.  The shell takes DOS commands, translates them into
> >> 32-bit OS/2, and the DOS program runs in 32-bit OS/2.  That's
> >> why it's a better DOS than DOS.  And I'd expect Win-OS/2 to be
> >> the same thing, but I've never had it on my computer so I
> >> don't know.
> >
> >I don't understand your definition of a simulation at all. What is
> >simulated about COMMAND.COM in a DOS box for example?
> 
> The command interpreter (in the default case COMMAND.COM, and in my
> case 4DOS.COM) running in a VDM is a real program, certainly.
> 
> However, the command interpreter is not DOS.  It parses both the DOS
> command line and DOS batch files, yes, but it's just a DOS program.
> 
> The real work is really done by the DOS kernel (which provides various
> DOS system services via DOS interrupts).
> 
> The "DOS kernel" in a VDM is not a real DOS kernel at all, but rather
> an emulation.  There is no IO.SYS or MSDOS.SYS, only a series of hooks
> which look like DOS interrupts, but which actually hook into the OS/2
> kernel.
> 
> Because the DOS kernel is the portion of DOS which actually provides
> DOS services to DOS programs, and because the kernel in a default VDM
> is an emulation, one can legitimately say that the DOS present in a
> VDM is emulated.
> 
> I think Joe's usage of "simulated" is also largely correct.
> 
> Does that clarify things?

I suppose what you say is correct.  BUT, I have read/heard that it is
possible to run actual native DOS under OS/2 in much the same way that
DOS/VSE is run under VM on a mainframe.  I've heard that someone even
successfully ran CP/M that way.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          01-Oct-99 01:43:14
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <37f3c3ab$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>
lifedata@xxvol.com  writes:

> [...]
>
> I find two things interesting.  The drop in IBM stock after
> their recent "screw the little guy" moves.  [...]

What _are_ you talking about?  Long term, IBM's stock has risen
and risen.  Not long ago they had a 1:1 share dividend.  IMO any
recent falls in their price are in line with sector movements.

IBM's end-of-month mid-prices since Jan98 were as follows.  Note
the effect of the share dilution at the end of June (there were
suddenly twice as many shares in circulation; share owners held
the same effective value, though):

DATE	  DIL.  $
98-01-30  1	 98.75
98-02-27  1	104.43
98-03-31  1	103.87
98-04-30  1	115.87
98-05-29  1	117.50
98-06-30  1	114.81
98-07-31  1	132.50
98-08-31  1	112.62
98-09-30  1	128.50
98-10-30  1	148.50
98-11-30  1	165.12
98-12-31  1	184.37
99-01-29  1	183.25
99-02-26  1	169.75
99-03-31  1	177.25
99-04-30  1	209.18
99-05-28  2	116.00
99-06-30  2	129.25
99-07-30  2	125.68
99-08-31  2	124.56

HTH.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: esitea@inficad.com                                30-Sep-99 19:02:15
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com>

"Red" versions do not contain Windows 3.1 code, and "Blue" versions do contain
Windows 3.1.  Blue versions were released a bit later than the Red versions,
so you
get the first couple of fixes built into the system from installation.  Also,
driver support might be a bit better with Warp Connect, Blue Spine, since it
benefitted from delayed shipment the most and is the most stable version of
Warp 3
released out of the box.

My advice, look for Warp Connect, Blue Spine.  The price difference is minimal
between versions of Warp 3, so go for the most up-to-date version.  Warp
Connect
contains networking code and a full TCP/IP implementation with PPP.  You can
get
these with fixpaks, and I recommend getting the latest TCP/IP updates, as well 
as
the current fixpak for Warp 3 (FP 40 I believe).

Even if you do not require DOS and Windows code with OS/2, you can choose not
to
install them.  The DOS and Windows that shipped with OS/2 are actual, or
"real",
DOS and Windows.  Altered a bit to work within the virtual machine that OS/2
provides to run 16bit DOS code.  OS/2 is a 32bit OS that runs 16bit code
natively.
OS/2 emulates an entire real mode environment (intel x86 processor, bios,
device
drivers, and all) in which to run "real" DOS and Windows code.  This code is
not
converted to 32bit code, as one writer posted, it is 16bit code being
multitasked
along side 32bit OS/2 code.

Before you attempt installation on a large hard drive, go here:
http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/miscellb/os_2warp/index.htm  and
download the "Greater than 8.4 gig IDE Hardfile Support."  The file will unzip
under DOS and comes with instructions for updating your installation diskettes 
so
that OS/2 FDISK will work with large hard drives.  Many newcomers are
immediately
turned off from OS/2 because it won't install out of the box on to modern
large
HDs.  Don't be put off, its well worth the effort.  Also, a good web page to
start
your OS/2 explorations is located at: http://os2warp.dyndns.org.  His sense of
humor is good and his links are great.  Follow the links for Downloads, then
look
around for Warp fixes.  A good place to start.

Good luck

Ezra

jwp wrote:

> I took your advice and checked at Ebay.  I found what I am looking for but I 
am
> confused about "Red" and "Blue" versions.  Which is best?  I really don't
care
> about running Windows apps.  I will, however, be running OS/2 on the samd HD
> with Win 98 (Partition Magic).  Can you explain the difference please? 
Thanks.
>



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From: jeffos2@mindspring.com                            01-Oct-99 01:11:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: jeffos2@mindspring.com (Jeffery Swagger)

In <19990930.17514765@ds9.more4u.de>, Robert Schroeder <rob@schroeder.net>
writes:
>Hello all!
*snip*

I would be interested in HPFS access from WIN98.

----
Jeff

   I still miss my ex, but with this laser sight...

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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           30-Sep-99 23:29:23
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: No more free Software Choice? 

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Richard Steiner wrote:
> 

[***SNIP!!!***]

> I'm willing to pay for a new client, but I've been operating under the
> assumption that it would support SMP (a likely thing for a new client
> release, I think).
> 
> The probability of IBM providing that via Software Choice is very close
> to zero.  This gives me little reason to take that route.
> 
> --
>    -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>      OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>                   The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then

What - you want to entrust Feature Install to replace the kernel???
-- 

============================================================
To respond via e-mail - remove the "go-away-spammers"
portion of the Reply to: value.

Mark L. Kahnt, C.P. Box 1263, Kingston, Ontario   K7L 4Y8
Voix:        (613) 531-8767   Cellulaire: (613) 539-0935
Telecopieur: (613) 531-8684   Email: kahnt@adan.kingston.net

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                30-Sep-99 21:16:00
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Install OS/2 without a floppy

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Chris Stumpf wrote:
> 
> Yeah, here is the solution.  The WSEB CD is bootable, so you just make your
> cdrom the default boot device and pop the cd in and reboot the machine.
> Couldn't be easier than that.
> 

Does it take special hardware to support the bootable CD?  If so, is
it possible to install from floppy?
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              30-Sep-99 23:36:03
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Install OS/2 without a floppy

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

If you have a computer made in the last 2 years, all you need to do is go
into the bios and change the boot order setting so that the CDROM is the
default boot drive.  This is for and IDE system.  If you have a scsi system,
you will need to go into the scsi bios and make the appropriate change. 
Consult the documentation to your particular scsi card to find out what to
do.  If you can't get the CD to boot, then just use the utility on the CD to
create the boot floppies.

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:16:01 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:

:>Chris Stumpf wrote:
:>> 
:>> Yeah, here is the solution.  The WSEB CD is bootable, so you just make
your
:>> cdrom the default boot device and pop the cd in and reboot the machine.
:>> Couldn't be easier than that.
:>> 
:>
:>Does it take special hardware to support the bootable CD?  If so, is
:>it possible to install from floppy?
:>-- 
:>Dale Erwin
:>3624 Coral Gables Drive
:>Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
:>(214)893-8738


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)918-2480



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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            30-Sep-99 22:26:27
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: XFree86, GIMP and GhostScript????

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:25:01, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

> > I installed the X11 version (from Hobbes) of GhostScript branching
> > from the root directory of XFree86 (retaining the paths in the ZIP)
> > but when I try to open an EPS file, I get the message "Can't find
> > gs_init.ps".
> > 
> > I can't find any references to setup (expected directories, etc) and
> > several searches of DEJA didn't bring up anything I could hang my hat
> > on.
> > 
> > What is the proper setup for GhostScript under XFree86?
> > 
> > Is it possible to use a later version of GhostScript (without
> > compiling the code)?
> 
> Yeah. There is 5.50. In this version you can't use anti-aliasing in X
> however. Have a look at
> http://www.ime.rwth-aachen.de/~michael/os2/ghostscript/index.html
> 
> Christian Hennecke
> 

I'm aware of the later versions for OS/2 but there is only one 
designated for X11 on Hobbes.  I don't have the tools or the knowledge
to compile the source from later versions under XFree86/X11.  

Are you saying that I can run the OS/2 native code under XFree86?

Will installing the OS/2 version 5.50 solve the "Can't find the 
gs_init.ps" file problem?

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: sutherlandj@ideal.net.au@ideal.n...               01-Oct-99 04:49:00
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: XFree86, GIMP and GhostScript????

Message sender: sutherlandj@ideal.net.au@ideal.net.au

From: sutherlandj@ideal.net.au@ideal.net.au

I bought Ghostscript on CD-ROM from the author and avoided all the hassle.  I
may have also downloaded EMX runtime from somewhere.


In <dF1xEfk5flPE-pn2-bK6dehkN2dkk@localhost>, rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray
Appleby) writes:
>I installed the X11 version (from Hobbes) of GhostScript branching 
>from the root directory of XFree86 (retaining the paths in the ZIP) 
>but when I try to open an EPS file, I get the message "Can't find 
>gs_init.ps".  
>
>I can't find any references to setup (expected directories, etc) and 
>several searches of DEJA didn't bring up anything I could hang my hat 
>on.
>
>What is the proper setup for GhostScript under XFree86? 
>
>Is it possible to use a later version of GhostScript (without 
>compiling the code)?
>
>Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
>Best Regards,
>Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
>[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: news@fenrir.demon.co.uk                           30-Sep-99 07:43:15
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: DCITU - A Posting By The Author

From: "Brian Morrison" <news@fenrir.demon.co.uk>

On 29 Sep 1999 14:17:23 GMT, Esther Schindler wrote:

>
>I _am_ glad that you're updating the software, and I hate to think 
>that I added to the frustration of dealing with an ex-distributor.
>

Just let me add that Stephane is producing excellent support and new
features despite other commitments.

I'm delighted with DCITU, it will allow me to keep using OS/2 for some
time. Are you listening IBM?


-- 
Brian Morrison                                       news@fenrir.demon.co.uk
               to reply, change address from 'news' to 'bdm'
 ...Grim faced, cold as fishwife's fingers, he snatched from the wall
 the sickle-sharp boar tusks he used for defacing Readers' Digest....


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              30-Sep-99 23:07:12
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Netscape Support [was: Re: Two e-mail addresses?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Dale Erwin wrote:
> I have been going thru my config.sys backups from the time the product
> was first installed.  It seems that when I installed Visual Age COBOL
> the install placed its directories at the beginning of the PATH and
> LIBPATH concatenations and also put a "." at the very beginning.  I
> notice a remark in some of them that this "." can't be in front of
> Netscape\Java11.
> 
> Is there any requirement that the directory be named NETSCAPE?

Nope, I have 2.02 on one drive in x:\NETSCAPE, 4.04 on another drive in
x:\nscomm4.04 and 4.61 on the same drive as 4.04 in x:\comm461 (hey,
there's nothing like being consistent, and this is nothing like it!).
They all share one application in OS2.INI, but that really does mean
*share* as they're written not to fall over each other.

I'd get that LIBPATH sorted out, but beyond that, I'm out of ideas.

Graham.

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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              30-Sep-99 21:21:24
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> Thanks for the headsup on this. I thought Byte went out of business...
> 
So did I.  Nice to see it resurrected in some fashion on the 
Web.

You can be absolutely sure -- ahead of time, and sight unseen -- that
this piece wasn't written by Pournelle.  Though 
generally astute, he could be a real equine's hind quarters on 
certain subjects . . .  usually involving s/w, and particularly 
in regard to OS/2.

<jf>

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                30-Sep-99 22:01:01
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <19990930.17514765@ds9.more4u.de>,
Robert Schroeder <rob@schroeder.net> wrote:
>Hello all!
>
>I just had a few words with Mark Russinovich, Ph.D., Vice President of
>Engineering, Winternals Software (http://www.winternals.com), and
>developer of "NTFS for Windows 98"
>(http://www.sysinternals.com/ntfs98.htm), the second beta of which
>(freeware, expires 31-Oct) just came out today.
>
>The final version will probably be marketed als commercial software
>which would have to come somewhere in between their "FAT32 for NT"
>($39) and "NTFSDOS Tools" ($89); a more exact statement will probably
>follow some time soon.
>
>"NTFS for Windows 98" ist a fully read/write capable NTFS driver fur
>Windows 95/98, based on the original NTFS driver of Windows NT and its
>exact code. That driver (ntfs.sys) is being incorporated with the help
>of a wrapper, which rebuilds the IFS-relevant part of the NT
>architecture under 95/98.
>
>Mark seems to agree he might be able to provide an "HPFS for Windows
>98" version with the help of the HPFS driver (pinball.sys) from NT
>3.51 without having to do too much coding, but he said, "with OS/2
>dead" he wouldn't want to spend any time at all on it.
>
>(Remark: we tried to get the HPFS driver working instead of the NTFS
>driver without any coding at all, unfortunately without success).
>
>In a later reply, Mark wrote: "If you could prove to me that at least
>10,000 people would be interested, then I might consider looking into >
>it."
>

Those types of remarks a just about as worthless as the persons that make
them.
What would happen, after placing a list of 10,000 names of people interested
in
such a utility, he would say something along the lines of... "Well, that's
nice
now I really need to see some big interest in this... show me another 30,000
names..."  and so it would go...

Face it, he's a... well... use your imagination for a change. :')


--

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*
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*
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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             30-Sep-99 21:29:25
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <37F40AC5.CC55B6D3@ibm.net>, on 09/30/99 
   at 08:13 PM, Scott <swaugh1@ibm.net> said:

>if you're running a pentium 166
>with 64mb RAM it's not going to be real quick,

Actually, I find it more than adequate (at least the word processor)
on a P-133 with 64mb, although it does take quite awhile to load
initially.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   01-Oct-99 04:32:13
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Software choice Bomb from IBM

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-NPxN6WErG7Dv@localhost>, doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug
Bissett) writes:
>On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:59:26, nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John 
>Thompson) wrote:
>> In <7st84d$4lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, ronblatt@my-deja.com writes:
>> 
>> >Microsoft has never charged for their JDK, and neither has Sun (in case
>> >you didn't want the MS version). Netscape is totally free for home use,
>> >as is Internet Explorer. And keep in mind, Software Choice never
>> >garauntees that you will see any new products.
>> 
>> Or that the products they will offer will be any use to you...

>Or, for that matter, that they will even WORK for you...
>******************************
>From the PC of Doug Bissett
>doug.bissett at ibm.net
>The " at " must be changed to "@"
>******************************

They _will cut through the bullshit.  They always have.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   01-Oct-99 02:44:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Give us software choice

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37F2E67C.D4E0B44@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
>Doug Bissett wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:24:32, Martin Nisshagen
>> <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

>I'm intrigued by the name chosen - rather than any reference to
>Netscape, it is simply referred to as "Browser for OS/2". I'm suspecting
>that rather than trying to migrate Windows code et al to OS/2 for
>Communicator, they may be using the Mozilla project code to launch an
>OS/2 quasi-integrated browser ala Windows. Dunno what they plan to do
>about an email client, given that UltiMail has not been well received -
>could be they would stick with that part of Communicator, but split from
>the browser.

I'm wondering what The Browser's going to be, too.  

That's a bad assumption about UltiMail.  While, like you, I 
doubt they'd ever put it in a browser, UltiMail is very 
popular indeed with OS/2 users at all levels.  

>More on topic, though, is my own belief that if IBM was doing this to
>push for a general pick-up in Software Choice subscriptions (and hence
>revenue), they would be best off to shuffle the price down to something
>less than the price of a new desktop license of OS/2 - it isn't as
>though they are offering a full o/s update through Software Choice.

I know what IBM's doing.  They're developing e-business, that 
is, the esoteric concept of the thing.  It goes with data 
warehousing and stuff like that.  When they get the package 
right they'll sell it.  They'll sell a company the complete
capability to sell items on the electronic nets.

IBM's income does not come from selling software packages with 
Software Choice.  It comes from turning a company over, from 
selling $500 million worth of stuff annually through a chain 
of 43 retail stores to selling $1200 million worth of the 
same stuff on the electronic nets.  

With Software Choice, IBM is getting a seed population of 15 
million(?) people comfortable with 100% electronic purchases, 
almost on the level of impulse buying on the web.  They've 
done this kind of thing before.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   01-Oct-99 03:59:11
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37f2b794$2$fnapb$mr2ice@news.jps.net>, nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void
(Sander Nyman) writes:
>On 09/29/99 at 07:30 PM, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:
>
>>On 09/29/99 18:33:04, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:
>>> On 09/29/99 16:30:18, lifedata@xxvol.com a  crit dans un message:
>>> > Falko Tesch <falko.tesch@bigfoot.com> said:

>>> Until they contract themselves to issue specific quids pro quo for that 
>>> timed "subscription", there's no way to measure relative costs.
>>> 
>>> Anybody who would have bought a subscription on mere hope for updates to 
>>> IBMWORKS, IBMAV, WEBEXPLORER, etc., would have been officially screwed by 
>>> now.
>
>>Which may be why such subscriptions were never offered.
>
>Sigh.  I believe Buddy was trying to create an *analogy* here.  Think
>about it.

It's kind of hard to cope with some of Buddy's analogies. I've
_bought subscriptions on mere hope for updates to IBMAV, and
so updates to IBMAV came pouring in.

I must know too much, that's what's wrong.  IBM _sold their 
anti virus as a subscription. What you ideally bought was a 
sort of telephone service, with IBM people at the other end 
just sitting there waiting for the phone to ring so they could
direct your clean up of your system with you.  A CDROM and 
updates came along with it for a shell to the service.

With Software Choice, they're moving you to the same concept 
with software.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              30-Sep-99 22:32:15
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

askbill*AT*ibm.net wrote:
> If the good Doctor Russinovich wants to write something *really* helpful,
> how about a fix for the verdamnt SIQ?  That I would buy.  Several, even.
> 
> Working properly, it would not only NOT hang, it would NOT permit ANY app
> to take the focus away from the guy at the keyboard (the one who paid for
> all this stuff!)
> 
> Any app loading in the background would, thank you very much, STAY in the
> background,
>  NOT pop to the top while you are in the middle of doing something else.

What has THAT got to do with SIQ? That's simple rude coding by the
program developer who thinks that just because you started his/her pride
and joy you want it in your face all the time. Windows apps are
notorious for this, and Windows (well, Win32 varieties anyway) has
multiple input queues. Since programmers who do this obviously never do
more than one thing at a time on their own computer I hate to think how
they handle multi-threading.

Graham.

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From: news@fenrir.demon.co.uk                           30-Sep-99 08:15:18
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Software choice Bomb from IBM

From: "Brian Morrison" <news@fenrir.demon.co.uk>

On 29 Sep 1999 19:45:15 GMT, e-frog wrote:

>- I object to paying for Netscape, when it's free for all other platforms.

Just remember that Netscape itself handles releases for all other
platforms. IBM had to provide most of the development team for the OS/2
version, it cost them money to release it.

That's probably why they now want to charge for it.


-- 
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               to reply, change address from 'news' to 'bdm'
 ...Grim faced, cold as fishwife's fingers, he snatched from the wall
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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              30-Sep-99 22:39:21
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: When OS/2 comes to a temporary halt...

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Henk kelder wrote:
> Is SPM/2 still available?

No, but I do know that IBM might consider reviving it for $120,000 or
so. The Perfview API, part of every OS/2 system including WSeB, is used
by SPM/2, but it is not publically available.

Graham.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              30-Sep-99 22:43:25
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Richard Steiner wrote:
> Now that I have Communicator 4.61, why should I be concerned that some
> unwanted add-ons are becoming non-free?

Maybe because today Netscape 4.7 is current on other platforms, and by
this time next year, even 4.7 is likely to struggle with some of the
fancy enhancments on some (otherwise useful) web sites. You'll have to
pay IBM $209 just for Netscape 4.7 ... if they ever do it.

Graham.

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From: jkovacs@attglobal.net                             01-Oct-99 05:03:22
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37F3FE34.3EBC@erols.com>, Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com> writes:

>If instead of a few billion bits of object code we substituted a few
>billion (or billion billion) cells, 

Please take ytour lies to an advocacy group.  Thank you.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@attglobal.net                             01-Oct-99 05:13:13
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Software choice Bomb from IBM

From: jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <c1.2c.2SMy3d$1Sa@rhino_house.ibm.net>, nospam@savebandwidth.invalid     
(John Thompson) writes:
>In <c1.2b8.2SMbX7$0IR@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>
>>>I think it shows the old marketing guys at IBM still haven't retired
>>>yet...<sigh>...
>
>>The old marketing guys at GE, Honeywell, Xerox, Data General, 
>>DEC, etc. etc. retired.
>>
>>The new marketing guys are embodied in Stardock.
>
>...which is now a Windows software house...  :-(

:-)

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@attglobal.net                             01-Oct-99 05:35:21
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <fXB938D5wu3T090yn@erols.com>, mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride) writes:
>In article <19990930.17514765@ds9.more4u.de>,
>Robert Schroeder <rob@schroeder.net> wrote:

>>In a later reply, Mark wrote: "If you could prove to me that at least
>>10,000 people would be interested, then I might consider looking into >
>>it."

>Those types of remarks a just about as worthless as the persons that make
them.
>What would happen, after placing a list of 10,000 names of people interested
in
>such a utility, he would say something along the lines of... "Well, that's
nice
>now I really need to see some big interest in this... show me another 30,000
>names..."  and so it would go...
>
>Face it, he's a... well... use your imagination for a change. :')

That's exactly what I thought too.  

I thought 'we don't need him'.  You get near him only if you 
want to get hit on the head again and again and again.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              30-Sep-99 22:58:28
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Richard Steiner wrote:
> I think Joe's usage of "simulated" is also largely correct.
> 
> Does that clarify things?

I was using COMMAND.COM as an example. If you only have IO.SYS and
MSDOS.SYS (which is MS-DOS, not PC-DOS which uses IBMDOS.COM and
IBMIO.COM) then you haven't got a workable system. A command interpreter
is the minimum extra that you need to do anything, but in the DOS
directory there's about a megabyte of stuff which is every bit as much
DOS as MSDOS.SYS and IO.SYS are. In any case, what's in MSDOS.SYS and
IO.SYS can be in a file called FRED, or a file called DOSKRNL - and
there happens to be one of those in your x:\OS2\MDOS subdirectory. The
point is, it doesn't matter what the files are called, there's very
little being simulated under a DOS box, just some of the INTs have their
services supplied by calls into OS/2.

Graham.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              30-Sep-99 23:03:08
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Dale Erwin wrote:
> I suppose what you say is correct.  BUT, I have read/heard that it is
> possible to run actual native DOS under OS/2 in much the same way that
> DOS/VSE is run under VM on a mainframe.  I've heard that someone even
> successfully ran CP/M that way.

That is quite correct for MS-DOS and PC-DOS and probably DR-DOS. CP/M
would have to be an x86 version and might work. Basically any bootable
real-mode x86 system on a floppy can be booted under OS/2. There are
some caveats however. You have to use OS/2 versions of some drivers such
as EMM386 and MOUSE as they have to interface with virtualized hardware
(virtualized isn't the same as simulated because there is real hardware
there).

Graham.

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From: fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com                        01-Oct-99 04:17:27
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com

A very informative post.  Very well done.

Thank you

In <37F38BD2.809D2527@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
>Using the RSU methid, the installation of IBM's latest
>FixPack release (FP12) was a piece of cake this morning.
>It is a little different than previous installations.  With
>this procedure I received a message that my system needed
>further updating and I was instruced to bring up the
>Window List (Control-Escape) and select (or run actually)
>a new update program.
>
>This took me into a full blank screen that went into a
>procedure much the same way Warp is originally
>installed.
>
>When it was over I was asked if I wanted to delete the
>unneeded files (said yes) and to then reboot.
>
>I'm back online and raring to go!  Here's my syslevel
>information:
>
>J:\OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.FPK
>                           OS/2 Warp 4 Service Level
>Version 1.00     Component ID 566933010
>Type Fixpak
>Current CSD level: XR0M012
>Prior   CSD level: XR0M012
>
>As you can see, I'm not at FP12 level.  I DID NOT install the
>Device Driver FixPak1 (Yet) but may do so later today.
>
>I just want to assure all you OS/2 folks that the RSU method
>does work (now, it was not working late last night) and it
>appears IBM has now got this software update procedure
>working well.
>
>If YOU want to upgrade to FP12 go here:
>
>http://ps.boulder.ibm.com/softupd.html
>
>If they wanted to offer an upgrade to Warp 5 this way it
>would be very easy to do.
>
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City
>http://warpcity.com
>"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City.
>

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 01-Oct-99 06:31:16
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
>Frank McKenney wrote:
>> 
>
>[***SNIP!!!***]
>
>> Gawd... just had a truly horrible thought. Is anyone out there using a
>> 2400 Baud modem?   <grin... I _hope_!>
>> 
>> Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
>> Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
>> E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com
>
>Eeek!!! Reminds me of the days of using a teletype terminal on a 110
>baud modem back in university!
>
>Can you imagine even browsing the web that way?



maybe ! see quoted below :

>Jim Stewart <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote in article
><E0E633687EC36A27.9D148DFD700A5E96.3BC31744CF026B73@lp.airnews.net>...


 >stuff snipped 

> What, you mean I can now get web browsers for the PDP-8 or one of my
> PDP-11's?  Wouldn't that be fun. :^)
 
> Don't you just love off-topic spam :^(
 
> First person to write a TCP/IP stack in PAL3 in less than 4k wins.
 
> Jim
 

Actually, that may not be so far from reality - check out:
http://www-ccs.cs.umass.edu/~shri/iPic.html

This guy has written a base level TCP/IP stack and web browser that fits
into about 500 words of memory on a Microchip PIC. The interface
is through a TTL level serial port using SLIP. The HTML files are
stored in a serial EEPROM attached to the PIC.

Lynx on a PDP-8, anyone?? ;-)

  Ron



>-- 
>
>============================================================
>To respond via e-mail - remove the "go-away-spammers"
>portion of the Reply to: value.
>
>Mark L. Kahnt, C.P. Box 1263, Kingston, Ontario   K7L 4Y8
>Voix:        (613) 531-8767   Cellulaire: (613) 539-0935
>Telecopieur: (613) 531-8684   Email: kahnt@adan.kingston.net


--
Hrad ngravvrd

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          01-Oct-99 06:05:20
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:21:49, "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net> a crit 
dans un message:

> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the headsup on this. I thought Byte went out of business...
> > 
> So did I.  Nice to see it resurrected in some fashion on the 
> Web.
> 
> You can be absolutely sure -- ahead of time, and sight unseen -- that
> this piece wasn't written by Pournelle.  Though 
> generally astute, he could be a real equine's hind quarters on 
> certain subjects . . .  usually involving s/w, and particularly 
> in regard to OS/2.

I never liked his self-important style, and so I didn't see everything he 
wrote about it. But it appeared to me that he was willing to be 
extraordinarily patient with IBM's inability to get OS/2 Warp 3 installed 
on one of his computers. 

(I was having the same kind of problems at the time, and spending a lot of 
time on the phone, mostly on hold, and none of those IBM turkeys ever 
offered to come to *my* house to give it a try. So I was secretly glad 
they, too, failed, and that he then blasted the company in print.)


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              30-Sep-99 23:10:11
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

John Thompson wrote:
> My son took a "Designed for Windows95" logo and put it on the
> RESET button of the computer...

Darn, now I know why my wife's XT doesn't have a reset button - Windows
hadn't been invented (or should that be innovated?) then! (BTW, it now
has an AMD K6-2/300 in it, but since it also has Win98 it needs a reset
button too.)

Graham.

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From: thl@imagin.net                                    01-Oct-99 00:26:12
  To: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Lotus WordPro will only save to a Root Directory

To: rgibson@ix.netcom.com
From: Worley Barry  <thl@imagin.net>

On 16 Sep 1999 11:07:24 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:53:14, Barbara Barry 
><barbara@databasics.hurst.tx.us> wrote:
>
>> I have a brand new copy of Lotus SmartSuite. I have installed 
>> fix pack 11 for Warp 4. 
>
>Will that import any version of Word Documents, that is the WP in it? 
>
     Oops,  Missed the question when it was originally posted. Yes, it will
import Word97 documents and more importantly for 
me, it exports documents for Word97.  I have an AS/400 
programming contract TELNETing over the internet, that requires 
documentation in Word97 format. They attach Word97 
specifications to email, that I import and modify them to be  
program documentation to  send back as Word97 attachments,
nobody can tell I don't run windows OS's. 

     Originally, I used the Word97 Viewer for Windows 3.1 that I 
downloaded from MS's web site to read the specifications, but 
they extended the contract to include the documentation, if I 
did it in 'Word97'.


Barbara
 


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From: derwin@airmail.net                                01-Oct-99 01:34:02
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

J. R. Fox wrote:
> 
> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the headsup on this. I thought Byte went out of business...
> >
> So did I.  Nice to see it resurrected in some fashion on the
> Web.
> 
> You can be absolutely sure -- ahead of time, and sight unseen -- that
> this piece wasn't written by Pournelle.  Though
> generally astute, he could be a real equine's hind quarters on
> certain subjects . . .  usually involving s/w, and particularly
> in regard to OS/2.
> 
> <jf>

Just noticed that Paul Schindler is the editor of Byte.  Isn't he
Esther's husband or something?  And hasn't he been firmly entrenched
in the OS/2 camp for some time?
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          01-Oct-99 06:29:04
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:59:23, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) a crit dans un
message:
> 
> It's kind of hard to cope with some of Buddy's analogies. I've
> _bought subscriptions on mere hope for updates to IBMAV, and
> so updates to IBMAV came pouring in.

In plain talk, then, my point was, they will no longer come pouring in 
because IBM abandoned the program. Or got Symantec to abandon it, take your
choice. The IBMAV product was being sold purportedly with future updates 
right up to the day they announced the opposite, and IBM clearly feels no 
overwhelming sense of responsibility for the software they manage to get 
somebody to pay for. 

Not that they're worse than others out there, but they aren't the folks I'd
trust with a "subscription" to unspecified, uncontracted-for future 
services.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 01-Oct-99 06:13:05
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: No more free Software Choice? 

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37F42AAB.931BB8D9@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
>Richard Steiner wrote:
>> 
>
>[***SNIP!!!***]
>
>> I'm willing to pay for a new client, but I've been operating under the
>> assumption that it would support SMP (a likely thing for a new client
>> release, I think).
>> 
>> The probability of IBM providing that via Software Choice is very close
>> to zero.  This gives me little reason to take that route.
>> 
>> --
>>    -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>>      OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>>       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>>                   The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then
>
>What - you want to entrust Feature Install to replace the kernel???
>-- 

You can do it with "Selective Install" right now. (tho I share your
apprehension of 'feature installer' !)


>
>Mark L. Kahnt, C.P. Box 1263, Kingston, Ontario   K7L 4Y8
>Voix:        (613) 531-8767   Cellulaire: (613) 539-0935
>Telecopieur: (613) 531-8684   Email: kahnt@adan.kingston.net


--
Hrad ngravvrd


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 01-Oct-99 06:17:18
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <c1.2b8.2SNLzb$0Ib@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe Kovacs) writes:
>In <37f2b794$2$fnapb$mr2ice@news.jps.net>, nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void
(Sander Nyman) writes:
>>On 09/29/99 at 07:30 PM, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:
>>
>>>On 09/29/99 18:33:04, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) wrote:
>>>> On 09/29/99 16:30:18, lifedata@xxvol.com a  crit dans un message:
>>>> > Falko Tesch <falko.tesch@bigfoot.com> said:
>
>>>> Until they contract themselves to issue specific quids pro quo for that 
>>>> timed "subscription", there's no way to measure relative costs.
>>>> 
>>>> Anybody who would have bought a subscription on mere hope for updates to 
>>>> IBMWORKS, IBMAV, WEBEXPLORER, etc., would have been officially screwed by 

>>>> now.
>>
>>>Which may be why such subscriptions were never offered.
>>
>>Sigh.  I believe Buddy was trying to create an *analogy* here.  Think
>>about it.
>
>It's kind of hard to cope with some of Buddy's analogies. I've
>_bought subscriptions on mere hope for updates to IBMAV, and
>so updates to IBMAV came pouring in.
>
>I must know too much, that's what's wrong.  IBM _sold their 
>anti virus as a subscription. What you ideally bought was a 
>sort of telephone service, with IBM people at the other end 
>just sitting there waiting for the phone to ring so they could
>direct your clean up of your system with you.  A CDROM and 
>updates came along with it for a shell to the service.
>
>With Software Choice, they're moving you to the same concept 
>with software.

hmm, what concept is that, Joe ? Sell a lot of subscriptions, then sell 
off the product line to Symantec, who's apparently not too excited
about the os/2 individual ?  Sounds reasonable to me . . . .

>
>Joe Kovacs
>Guelph Ontario Canada
>
>

--
Hrad ngravvrd


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 01-Oct-99 07:14:22
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 06:44:10
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37F4476F.47A8E46E@linkline.com>, "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com> 
writes:
>askbill*AT*ibm.net wrote:
>> If the good Doctor Russinovich wants to write something *really* helpful,
>> how about a fix for the verdamnt SIQ?  That I would buy.  Several, even.
>> 
>> Working properly, it would not only NOT hang, it would NOT permit ANY app
>> to take the focus away from the guy at the keyboard (the one who paid for
>> all this stuff!)
>> 
>> Any app loading in the background would, thank you very much, STAY in the
>> background,
>>  NOT pop to the top while you are in the middle of doing something else.
>
>What has THAT got to do with SIQ? That's simple rude coding by the
>program developer who thinks that just because you started his/her pride
>and joy you want it in your face all the time. Windows apps are
>notorious for this, and Windows (well, Win32 varieties anyway) has
>multiple input queues. Since programmers who do this obviously never do
>more than one thing at a time on their own computer I hate to think how
>they handle multi-threading.

I'd be overjoyed to see the last of "WEPM.EXE is not responding to
System Requests. Press Enter to End It," hourglass, and again, and again, 
and again . . . easily reproducible.  WEPM.EXE is an IBM program, is it not ?
Even if there is a program or setup problem, the shell shouldn't be allowed 
to hang like that

>
>Graham.


--
Hrad ngravvrd



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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               01-Oct-99 10:15:23
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 10:28:10
Subj: Re: When OS/2 comes to a temporary halt...

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

 
> Thanks. I already have theseus/2. It tells all about memo-
> ry, but nothing about which processes occupy the CPU.

Did you look at Ctrl-Alt-Del Cmndr (at BMT). The bottom status
line shows me that I have P(rocesses) 14 T(hreads) 78, that 
the FGP (ForeGroundProcess) has ID 18 and SG (??) 1. If
you activate it with Ctrl-Alt-Del <g> it will have an Info Windows
detailing also the DLL's in use by the FGP etc. Perhaps there is
more, I would not know. This is far beyond my league <g> Succes. 

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      01-Oct-99 01:54:26
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 10:28:10
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <DyCYxxWdd2Ym-pn2-nGLb6UNk74i9@pm03-28.sac.verio.net>, szrob@ns.net (John
Roberts) writes:

>  Just saw a posting on Sun's web page and saw Staroffice for sale for
>6.95.  Actually the cd comes with three or four ports of the program. 
>Is this collection of things worth getting for OS2?  I seem to 
>remember reading in the Linux groups that Staroffice ran slowly.  
>Might be wrong though.

I have StarOffice v5.1 installed on two machines here and 
conclude that StarOffice loves memory.  There's no such thing as 
too much memory for StarOffice.  On my OS/2 machine (5x86/133 
32MB) it takes about a minute to load and although slow at times 
it is usable.  On my linux machine (PII-350 128MB) it takes about 
7 seconds to load and is nice and snappy.  So now I usually just 
use it on the linux machine, sometimes from the OS/2 box using 
XFree86 to connect to the linux box.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com                     01-Oct-99 13:06:03
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney)

In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
>Frank McKenney wrote:
>> 
>
>[***SNIP!!!***]
>
>> Gawd... just had a truly horrible thought. Is anyone out there using a
>> 2400 Baud modem?   <grin... I _hope_!>
--snip--
>Eeek!!! Reminds me of the days of using a teletype terminal on a 110
>baud modem back in university!
>
>Can you imagine even browsing the web that way?

Well, now that you mention it...

Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).

The professor's technique had a one-character-sized pixel (not square,
obviously (;-)) and used various letters/symbols with some overprinting
to achieve appropriate greyscale levels.  In order to provide a
sufficient number of pixels the image was printed in "strips" and then
joined.  Anyone remember the 6' by 8' StarTrek images?

Anyway, we could use a similar approach to display 'web graphics on your
teletype and 110-baud modem.  A bit slow, though...  and hard-copy only.
Do I hear any volunteers for the Beta testing? (;-)


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

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From: radu@rds.ro                                       01-Oct-99 15:34:23
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: PPC AGAIN?

From: radu <radu@rds.ro>

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

While looking at  http://service.software.ibm.com/ddk/whatsnew.html I
saw this:

     "IBM GRADD Device Driver Reference Documentation Updated
     (09/23/99)

     The GRADD Device Driver Reference documentation has been
     upgraded to provide you with IBM's most current GRADD
     documentation in both HTML and INF formats. The updated
     HTML-version is in the DDK "Documentation" section. The
     updated INF-version is in the DDK "Download" section and can
     be viewed with the VIEW.EXE tool.

     These GRADD Reference updates contain the following changes:
     [snip]
          Delete non-existent BASECAPS structure.
          Delete PIOINFOPACK structure (PowerPC only)."

     ^^^^^^^^^^^^.

     Am I dreaming?

     Radu

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
While looking at&nbsp; <a
href="http://service.software.ibm.com/ddk/whatsnew.html">http://service.softwar
e.ibm.com/ddk/whatsnew.html</a>
I saw this:
<blockquote>"IBM GRADD Device Driver Reference Documentation Updated
(09/23/99)
<p>The GRADD Device Driver Reference documentation has been upgraded to
provide you with IBM's most current GRADD documentation in both HTML and
INF formats. The updated HTML-version is in the DDK "Documentation" section.
The updated INF-version is in the DDK "Download" section and can be viewed
with the VIEW.EXE tool.
<p>These GRADD Reference updates contain the following changes:
<br>[snip]
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Delete non-existent BASECAPS structure.
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Delete PIOINFOPACK structure (PowerPC only)."
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
^^^^^^^^^^^^.
<p>Am I dreaming?
<p>Radu</blockquote>
</html>

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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         01-Oct-99 12:39:13
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <37F3FE34.3EBC@erols.com>,
  cvopicka@erols.com wrote:

> The family/wife/guardian (manufacturer) says, "Hal is no longer
living a
> meaningful and maintaining him by artificial means neither serves any
> good purpose nor is what Hal would have wanted... we should remove
> artificial life support which is a constant financial drain on us and
an
> emotion drain on the family (staff)."

I thought this was a very interesting analogy.  Thanks for posting it.
It really got me thinking.

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            01-Oct-99 13:49:21
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

Maybe you only have bad blocks on those partitions?

Regards,
Tim

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:
>
> 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
>
> On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody know
why?
>
> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                01-Oct-99 08:56:13
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> Darn, now I know why my wife's XT doesn't have a reset button - Windows
> hadn't been invented (or should that be innovated?) then! (BTW, it now
> has an AMD K6-2/300 in it, but since it also has Win98 it needs a reset
> button too.)

Paste the sticker on the BRS.

Ron

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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         01-Oct-99 12:36:28
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <c1.2b8.2SNNPs$0If@cast.grid.ibm.net>,
  jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe Kovacs) wrote:
> In <37F3FE34.3EBC@erols.com>, Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com> writes:
>
> >If instead of a few billion bits of object code we substituted a few
> >billion (or billion billion) cells,
>
> Please take ytour lies to an advocacy group.  Thank you.

I was just going to bypass this one, but I'm truly puzzled.  What
*lies* are you talking about?  He was simply making an analogy the
demonstrated his point of view.  Where is there room for "lies" in that?

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                01-Oct-99 09:06:22
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> Please take ytour lies to an advocacy group.  Thank you.

Joe

I think that qualifies as accusation (of lies) without substantiation.

Now I supposed one could label me as having been exposed for "lies" in a
newsgroup.  Some people might consider that a smear or defamation.

Thanks for your constructive criticism.

Ron

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               01-Oct-99 14:40:04
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Robert Schroeder wrote:

>
> "NTFS for Windows 98" ist a fully read/write capable NTFS driver fur
> Windows 95/98, based on the original NTFS driver of Windows NT and its
> exact code....

>
> Mark seems to agree he might be able to provide an "HPFS for Windows
> 98" version with the help of the HPFS driver (pinball.sys) from NT
> 3.51 without having to do too much coding, but he said, "with OS/2
> dead" he wouldn't want to spend any time at all on it.
>

With Windows98 dead, I do not really see who would be the customers for
such a product. Neither do I see much of a market for the NTFS driver,
unless Win98 should get an extra lease of life from new delays for Windows
2000.

Now, given that OS/2 is guaranteed to be alive for at least another two
years (since IBM still sell two-year Software Choice subscriptions), it
might be more interesting to see if the current HPFS solution for NT4 will
still work under Win 2000. An NTFS driver for OS/2 might also be of value
to some people, and a JFS driver for NT / Win2000 would probably just what
it takes to combat some bottlenecks in the server version. That, however,
is no trivial task.


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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             01-Oct-99 13:40:11
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 12:19:04
Subj: Setting up PCMCIA ATA-card under Warp 3

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

I just bought a PCMCIA SmartMedia Adapter (My Olympus digital camera 
stores its pictures on SmartMedia and I want to use the adapter to 
transfer them to my ThinkPad). I have obtained the latest OS/2 PCMCIA 
files (pctpgos2.exe) from IBM's Thinkpad support site and all my 
PCMCIA cards work OK (LAN, modem, SCSI). However, I can't seem to get 
the ATA-card to work. The card doesn't show up in PC Card Director 
(says slot is empty). However, loading OS2PCARD.DMD gives lots of 
additional icons (some of which showing as removable drives, other as 
disconnected drives), but none of them are operational. What is the 
magical trick (parameters with PCM2ATA.ADD, order of drivers?) that 
will allow me to see the SmartMedia as a working drive under OS/2?
 
Environment: ThinkPad 560x, Warp 3 Connect FP40, Delkin Devices 
SmartMedia SSFDC Adapter (model DDSMFLS-AD, 
http://www.delkin.com/consumer/cameras/smartmedia.htm), Simple 
Technology 8 MB 3V SmartMedia (has been formatted by The Olympus 
camera and contains JPG files).
 
Thanks for your help,
 
Dominique
 

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                01-Oct-99 10:22:27
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney) said:

>Anyway, we could use a similar approach to display 'web graphics on your
>teletype and 110-baud modem.  A bit slow, though...  and hard-copy only. Do I
>hear any volunteers for the Beta testing? (;-)

Well, I have an old computer I don't plan to use for the next several years.
<g>

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: rjlapham@infinet.com                              01-Oct-99 00:33:11
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 on Warp3/FP32

From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham)

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-ndppd6O1Rd86@localhost>, on 09/29/99 
   at 08:40 PM, doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett) said:

> On Sun, 29 Sep 1999 00:29:32, rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham) 
> wrote:

> ...snip...
> > I'm not running 4OS2, I don't have any directory names with spaces, and I
> > have no idea what directory the Install app is trying to create.  Where do
> > I go from here?
> > 

> I have no idea what your problem is, but have you tried installing 
> into a different directory? Perhaps something old has write protected 
> something that the new install is trying to recreate.

I'm not trying to install into *any* particular directory.  I run Install
and it says it can't create a directory.  It doesn't say what (or where)
directory it is trying to create.

    -Jerry
-- 
============================================================
Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com
Written Friday, October 01, 1999 - 12:33 AM (EDT)
============================================================
MR/2 Ice tag:  WARNING:  Check your toilet paper stockpile.  Make sure it's
Y2K compliant. Word has it, if it isn't, come Jan 1, 2000, it will roll back
to 1900, then turn into a Sears Catalog.

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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             01-Oct-99 09:18:18
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: HELP!!! Warp 4 wont install. (Trap 0008) and more

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:23:59 -0400, jhojka wrote:

>The computer stops with a trap 0008 on the second disk just after
>aha6360.snp is loaded.
In all likelihood, you have an IRQ conflict. I 'm guessing that the 6360 is
an ISA card and probably not PNP.  Make sure tha your ISA cards'  IRQs are
manually deconflicted and also entered into your BIOS' PCI/PNP setup as "not
available" (or whatever your BIOS calls it). Other possibilities include
needing to add i/o recovery waits to your ISA bus.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                01-Oct-99 10:31:17
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

It says ZERO bad blocks.

Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk> said:
>Maybe you only have bad blocks on those partitions?

>lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>> On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:
>>
>> 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
>>
>> On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody know
why?
>>
>> Jim L
>> Remove XX from address to Email
>> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  01-Oct-99 14:49:08
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

You mean some partitions have 0 bad blocks, and others have no bad blocks 
at all?


On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:49:43, Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk> wrote:

> Maybe you only have bad blocks on those partitions?
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
> 
> lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
> 
> > On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:
> >
> > 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
> >
> > On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody know 
why?
> >
> > Jim L
> > Remove XX from address to Email
> > Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.
> 

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          01-Oct-99 13:46:07
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:04:47, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

:I find two things interesting.  The drop in IBM stock after their recent 
:"screw the little guy" moves.  

 The DJIA as a whole has dropped 10% or so recently; it's not so surprising 
that IBM's dropped correspondingly.

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: swanee@pillarsoft.net                             01-Oct-99 10:02:17
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net>

Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> J. R. Fox wrote:
> >
> > Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the headsup on this. I thought Byte went out of business...
> > >
> > So did I.  Nice to see it resurrected in some fashion on the
> > Web.
> >
> > You can be absolutely sure -- ahead of time, and sight unseen -- that
> > this piece wasn't written by Pournelle.  Though
> > generally astute, he could be a real equine's hind quarters on
> > certain subjects . . .  usually involving s/w, and particularly
> > in regard to OS/2.
> >
> > <jf>
> 
> Just noticed that Paul Schindler is the editor of Byte.  Isn't he
> Esther's husband or something?  And hasn't he been firmly entrenched
> in the OS/2 camp for some time?

I don't know where Paul Schindler has been camping but it had better not
be close to Esther's house or her husband Bill might get just a bit
angry.


Watching for strange campers,
Wayne Swanson
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email: swanee@pillarsoft.net
PillarSoft: http://www.pillarsoft.net
Developers of: WarpZip, DeskTop Backup (DTB), SFX Installer
               ShowTime/2 and the Enhanced E Editors
Vice President: VOICE (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education)
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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             01-Oct-99 15:24:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: Lotus WordPro will only save to a Root Directory

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:26:24, Worley Barry  <thl@imagin.net> wrote:

> On 16 Sep 1999 11:07:24 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:53:14, Barbara Barry 
> ><barbara@databasics.hurst.tx.us> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a brand new copy of Lotus SmartSuite. I have installed 
> >> fix pack 11 for Warp 4. 
> >
> >Will that import any version of Word Documents, that is the WP in it? 

>      Oops,  Missed the question when it was originally posted. Yes, it will
import Word97 documents and more importantly for 
> me, it exports documents for Word97.  I have an AS/400 

Okey dokey...thanx.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              01-Oct-99 08:15:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
> I'd be overjoyed to see the last of "WEPM.EXE is not responding to
> System Requests. Press Enter to End It," hourglass, and again, and again,
> and again . . . easily reproducible.  WEPM.EXE is an IBM program, is it not
?

What is WEPM? (I can see it's in the MMOS2 directory, but what does it
do?) I'm not aware I've ever used it in all my years of using OS/2 on
multiple machines, and have never seen it stop responding even if I've
been using it without knowing it.

Graham.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              01-Oct-99 08:20:14
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: Would 10,000 be interested in a "HPFS for Windows 95/98"?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Bjrn Vermo wrote:
> With Windows98 dead, I do not really see who would be the customers for
> such a product.

The name may be dead, but Windows Millenium (as it is currently being
called) will be yet another re-incarnation of Windows 95. M$ will of
course make further attempts to hide the fact that MS-DOS is underneath
it (and make life difficult for users in the process probably), but the
thing is still very much alive in every other way, in particular M$ will
continue to market it and sell gazillions of copies of it to people who
know no better (and even if they do, they don't get the choice).

MS-DOS isn't going away just yet!

Graham.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              01-Oct-99 08:26:18
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: PPC AGAIN?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

radu wrote:
>           Delete PIOINFOPACK structure (PowerPC only)."
>      Am I dreaming?

No, GRADD was originally devised for the PPC version of OS/2, they're
just removing the last of the visible evidence it ever existed!

Graham.

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From: jeffproe@my-deja.com                              01-Oct-99 15:16:01
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Can't open enough os/2 sessions

From: jeffproe@my-deja.com

Is there a limit on the number of os/2 full screens/windows/sessions you
can have open at one time.  I seem to run into a block at around 12 or
13.  Anybody else have this problem?

Jeff


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From: askbill*AT*ibm.net                                01-Oct-99 23:41:10
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: askbill*AT*ibm.net

In <c1.2c.2SNJCx$1Sh@rhino_house.ibm.net>, on 10/01/99 
   at 01:54 AM, nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson) said:

>In <DyCYxxWdd2Ym-pn2-nGLb6UNk74i9@pm03-28.sac.verio.net>, szrob@ns.net
>(John Roberts) writes:

>>  Just saw a posting on Sun's web page and saw Staroffice for sale for
>>6.95.  Actually the cd comes with three or four ports of the program. 
>>Is this collection of things worth getting for OS2?  I seem to 
>>remember reading in the Linux groups that Staroffice ran slowly.  
>>Might be wrong though.

>I have StarOffice v5.1 installed on two machines here and 
>conclude that StarOffice loves memory.  There's no such thing as  too
>much memory for StarOffice.  On my OS/2 machine (5x86/133  32MB) it takes
>about a minute to load and although slow at times  it is usable.  On my
>linux machine (PII-350 128MB) it takes about  7 seconds to load and is
>nice and snappy.  So now I usually just  use it on the linux machine,
>sometimes from the OS/2 box using  XFree86 to connect to the linux box.

SO is none too swift on a 412.5 MHZ o'clocked AMD-K62 with 256 MB of RAM,
1 MB of L2, multiple fast SCSI UW's.

But once in RAM one forgets about that most of the time.

It *IS* virtually (perhaps totally?) immune to Word macro viruses I have
been  given from time to time by clients.  On that score, it is welcome to
an Athlon  and 1 GB of RAM if it needs it.  Hardware is cheaper then time.

YMMV!

Bill Hacker


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From: derwin@airmail.net                                01-Oct-99 10:32:07
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 14:23:08
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Wayne Swanson wrote:
> 
> Dale Erwin wrote:
> >
> > J. R. Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the headsup on this. I thought Byte went out of business...
> > > >
> > > So did I.  Nice to see it resurrected in some fashion on the
> > > Web.
> > >
> > > You can be absolutely sure -- ahead of time, and sight unseen -- that
> > > this piece wasn't written by Pournelle.  Though
> > > generally astute, he could be a real equine's hind quarters on
> > > certain subjects . . .  usually involving s/w, and particularly
> > > in regard to OS/2.
> > >
> > > <jf>
> >
> > Just noticed that Paul Schindler is the editor of Byte.  Isn't he
> > Esther's husband or something?  And hasn't he been firmly entrenched
> > in the OS/2 camp for some time?
> 
> I don't know where Paul Schindler has been camping but it had better not
> be close to Esther's house or her husband Bill might get just a bit
> angry.
> 
> Watching for strange campers,
> Wayne Swanson

Ooooooops!
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com               01-Oct-99 16:28:12
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 17:06:16
Subj: Re: Produce PDF?

From: "Jan Danielsson" <Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com>

>I really do not know. I upgraded my PageMaker just to get it:
>it was cheaper than to get Acrobat. Anyway, it is annoying to
>have to rebbot to Win95, but I only work there fore the 30 seconds
>it takes to creat a 200 pages pdf-file. One reasonable idea is to
>send a postscriptfile to someone who has destiller, and he can
>easily do it. I would be happy to help out.

Thanks! I'll store your e-mail address in a safe place. I'll get back to you
be e-mail when the time comes, if it's ok.

Vnta lite nu, va... Du har ju en .se. Och fint namn har du ocks. :-)


 /j



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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      01-Oct-99 16:11:03
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 17:06:17
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <37f4c629$4$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
  lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> It says ZERO bad blocks.

No, it says:

> >> 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.

So if you have 1023 bytes in bad blocks, you have 0 *Kbytes*. (since
1024 bytes = 1K) And I can believe it would be that literal. :)

Good luck!

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


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From: uno@40th.com                                      01-Oct-99 17:03:06
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 17:06:17
Subj: Re: Can't open enough os/2 sessions

From: uno@40th.com (uno@40th.com)

jeffproe@my-deja.com? (jeffproe@my-deja.com?) wrote (Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:16:02
>can have open at one time.  I seem to run into a block at around 12 or

Normal.  You get at most something like 15 OS/2 sessions.  Each FS
session is one, and PM itself is (just) one.  But, you get something
like 255 DOS VDMs... probably the last thing you care about.

 '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
 Corne1 Huth  -  http://40th.com/
 Bullet database engines/servers 3.1  Win32-WinCE-OS2-Linux+

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From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net                 01-Oct-99 17:19:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 17:06:17
Subj: Re: Can't open enough os/2 sessions

From: icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net (Ken Walter)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:16:02, jeffproe@my-deja.com wrote:

>Is there a limit on the number of os/2 full screens/windows/sessions you
>can have open at one time.  I seem to run into a block at around 12 or
>13.  Anybody else have this problem?
>
I think the limit is 15 but that may include the desktop
and  some other standard sessions.
That limit has been there from the beginning of OS/2.


Ken Walter

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From: madodel@ptdprolog.net                             01-Oct-99 16:40:23
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 17:06:17
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:43:51, "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>
wrote:

-)Richard Steiner wrote:
-)> Now that I have Communicator 4.61, why should I be concerned that some
-)> unwanted add-ons are becoming non-free?
-)
-)Maybe because today Netscape 4.7 is current on other platforms, and by
-)this time next year, even 4.7 is likely to struggle with some of the
-)fancy enhancments on some (otherwise useful) web sites. You'll have to
-)pay IBM $209 just for Netscape 4.7 ... if they ever do it.
-)
-)Graham.

Most likely Comm/2 includes most of any fixes in the 4.7 base, and 
probably fixes for things Netscape hasn't fixed itself.  Also any 
updates to 4.61 will remain freely available.  If you read the 
Software Choice announcement you would have noticed it said 'Browser' 
not Netscape or Communicator.    


Mark


//---------------------------------------------------------
// From the Desk of: Mark Dodel, RN, BSN, MBA
//             Healthcare Computer Consultant
//                   madodel@ptdprolog.net
//    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel
//
//  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
//             http://www.os2voice.org/index.html
//---------------------------------------------------------
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From: ffitz@my-deja.com                                 01-Oct-99 16:58:21
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 17:06:17
Subj: Black icon in VAC++ Visual Builder w/ Rage Pro & GRADD

From: ffitz@my-deja.com

Can anyone tell me how to fix the black icons
on the tool bars in Visual Builder?  I'm using
a Dell OptiPlex GX1 (integrated ATI Rage Pro
on motherboard).  I've tried the M64GRADD
driver on the Dell web site, and the OS2PATCH
for ATI Rage Pro from the Dell web site as well.

The syslevel for the drivers shows:
ATI Mach64/RageII (M64GRADD) version 1.0
CSD XR03010.

Any Suggestions?

--
Best Regards,
Frank Fitzpatrick


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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           01-Oct-99 17:34:23
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:20
Subj: Re: Give us software choice

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:55:42, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo 
<bvermo@powertech.no> wrote:

> US made encryption software is,
> generally speaking, worthless for most users since only the few in US and
Canada
> are allowed to get it.

Unfortunately, it is also required for what I need it for...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           01-Oct-99 17:34:24
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: Give us software choice

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:04:01, News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de 
Bruijn) wrote:

> Is Fortify not the standard solution to do that same 128-bit encryption if
> for some reason (export-limitations i.e) it is not delivered with the
product?
>  
> Regards from Leeuwarden
> Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
> -

Works for Netscape. Does it work for Internet Adventurer, or 
StarOffice???? 

StarOffice already has a form of 128 bit encryption, but it doesn't 
work with my bank, and I doubt if they are going to change their 
software.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                01-Oct-99 14:30:17
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:

>You mean some partitions have 0 bad blocks, and others have no bad blocks  at
>all?

See below.

>> lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
>> 
>> > On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:
>> >
>> > 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
>> >
>> > On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody
know why?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          01-Oct-99 17:32:18
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:02:35, Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net> a crit 
dans un message:

snip
> > 
> > Just noticed that Paul Schindler is the editor of Byte.  Isn't he
> > Esther's husband or something?  And hasn't he been firmly entrenched
> > in the OS/2 camp for some time?
> 
> I don't know where Paul Schindler has been camping but it had better not
> be close to Esther's house or her husband Bill might get just a bit
> angry.

Maybe that's what caused Schindler's list?



Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           01-Oct-99 17:34:25
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:13:11, szrob@ns.net (John Roberts) wrote:

>   Just saw a posting on Sun's web page and saw Staroffice for sale for
> 6.95.  Actually the cd comes with three or four ports of the program. 
> Is this collection of things worth getting for OS2?  I seem to 
> remember reading in the Linux groups that Staroffice ran slowly.  
> Might be wrong though.
> Any comments?

My experience, with StarOffice, is that it loves memory (I would guess
you need at least 64 meg) and CPU cycles (runs pretty good on my P200,
but it does slow down sometimes). The biggest problem that I have with
the program, is with the HELP, or lack of help. I have found that 
SO5.1 will do almost anything I want it to do, but, sometimes, it 
takes a LOT of fooling around just to find out HOW to do what I want.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
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From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca                       01-Oct-99 19:35:14
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Another IBM Poll...

From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

This one is actually about notebook hard drives.
But since they ask what OS you are using, go to it and let 'em know what
you think!

http://ssddom01.storage.ibm.com/hdd/hddsurvey.nsf/survey?OpenForm

They'll probably come back with a note saying "Nobody uses OS/2. Please
refrain from prank posts".



I.

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From: jkovacs@attglobal.net                             01-Oct-99 19:21:28
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-Cqdqdo4tiD3m@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:59:23, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) a crit dans un
>message:

>Not that they're worse than others out there, but they aren't the folks I'd
>trust with a "subscription" to unspecified, uncontracted-for future 
>services.

Look.  You have to understand IBM.  The way to take advantage 
of IBM is to buy 'service' from them.

Take, for example, anti virus.  You don't buy an IBMAV CDROM 
from IBM.  It's other vendors that you'd buy a mere anti virus
CDROM from.

For AV, you buy from IBM that you can sit back and relax, and 
not worry about viruses, you just think about your next raise 
and a nice vacation in Varadero, and how you're looking good.
That's what you pay $60/yr for, a great bargain.

IBM's business is _all subscriptions like that.  Look at their
service agreements, that's what they are.

When you buy an Aptiva from IBM Home Computing, the way to buy
it is, yes you fork over $1500 for the machine first, but you 
buy service contracts for the life of the machine.  Those 
subscriptions, those service contracts, or more 
correctly the _effect of those service contracts, *that's* 
what IBM has to offer.  That's the only thing that IBM has to 
sell, they are the world's best at doing that and _that's 
where their income of $90US billion/yr comes from.

The only thing IBM sells _is delivery on subscriptions in many 
forms and sizes, and they deliver on every one exactly as 
they contract to do, but in spades.



Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                01-Oct-99 20:05:10
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

Well consider that the windozers have been forced to go from win95 to
win95b to win98 to win98b  and now to win2000 it seems like we are
still getting a pretty good deal. My copy of Warp4 was released 3
years ago and I have'nt had to pay IBM 10cents since then but they
have continued to keep OS/2 up todate with free fixpacks.  Even Warp3
is stll more up to date( with the latest fixpack) today compared to
the original version of Win95.

I only wish that they would:

a) bring out a new fat client

or 

b) have a reduced price for "home" users for  software choice.

Duncan

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:19:17 -0400, gridbias@ibm.net wrote:

>With the announcement that Software Choice, including Netscape upgrades,
>will no longer be available at no cost, IBM is attempting to KILL OS/2
>for the individual user.
>
>This seems to me to be a major step beyond simply failing to support and
>advertise to the general user. Goodbye, OS/2. We have been assimilated.
>
>Larry
>

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From: jkovacs@attglobal.net                             01-Oct-99 19:22:16
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-13y7bNi9fqKk@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:02:22, Clarence <ics@atlantic.net> a crit dans un 
>message:
>
>> 
>> Interesting article(s) about OS/2 in BYTE at
>> http://www.byte.com/column/BYT19990920S0002.  Quite favorable IMO.
>> 
>> CH

Where's Esther Schindler's similar article in PCMag, which 
issue?  Is it up in a url?


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@attglobal.net                             01-Oct-99 18:29:19
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-Cqdqdo4tiD3m@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:59:23, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) a crit dans un
>message:
>> 
>> It's kind of hard to cope with some of Buddy's analogies. I've
>> _bought subscriptions on mere hope for updates to IBMAV, and
>> so updates to IBMAV came pouring in.
>
>In plain talk, then, 

O good.  Thank you.

>my point was, they will no longer come pouring in 
>because IBM abandoned the program. Or got Symantec to abandon it, take your
>choice. 

There's no such consideration at all, of course.  The updates
and even upgrades _have come pouring in through the 
subscription. There was no abandonment.

The IBMAV product was being sold purportedly with future updates 
>right up to the day they announced the opposite, and IBM clearly feels no 
>overwhelming sense of responsibility for the software they manage to get 
>somebody to pay for. 

Yes, of course IBM sold AV subscriptions with future updates, 
that being what subscriptions are all about.  

And of course, IBM never announced any opposite.

>and IBM clearly feels no 
>overwhelming sense of responsibility for the software they manage to get 
>somebody to pay for. 

IBM feels a great sense of responsibility for what they sell, 
and they deliver in spades.

Now, it is obvious that Buddy Donnelly doesn't have any sense 
of responsibility for what he posts, it being for nothing.

>Not that they're worse than others out there, but they aren't the folks I'd
>trust with a "subscription" to unspecified, uncontracted-for future 
>services.

Well, that's good thinking, sort of.  Don't.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: rob@schroeder.net                                 01-Oct-99 21:08:26
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: Robert Schroeder <rob@schroeder.net>

frank_mckenney@mindspring.com (Frank McKenney) wrote:

> In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt" 
> <kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:

> Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
> reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
> printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
> attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
> out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).
>
> The professor's technique had a one-character-sized pixel (not square,
> obviously (;-)) and used various letters/symbols with some 
overprinting
> to achieve appropriate greyscale levels.  In order to provide a
> sufficient number of pixels the image was printed in "strips" and then
> joined.  Anyone remember the 6' by 8' StarTrek images?
>
> Anyway, we could use a similar approach to display 'web graphics on 
your
> teletype and 110-baud modem.  A bit slow, though...  and hard-copy 
only.
> Do I hear any volunteers for the Beta testing? (;-)

Here, me. Had the opportunity to gather a tiny bit of experience in 
that field too. I was doing that /370 assembler course where I had 
access to a Pascal compiler for the /370 as well, and being more 
fluent in Pascal than in Assembler at the time, and just having coded 
some Mandelbrot graphics in Pascal on my Apple ][ clone at home, I 
wanted to see how long the mainframe would need for the same sizes and 
recursion depths... I did need a significant amount of paper though. 
Fortunately we had large rooms with lots of unused floor space so we 
could even arrange the results and look at the complete images!

But those deeds of cpu time abuse were unhindered by too slow 
communication lines or such. But much later, already in the early 
nineties (!), there was some COBOL course which was held in rented 
rooms outside the main building, and participants' teletype terminals 
were connected to the mainframe over a 2400 baud line. Very 
interesting experience... no graphics applications there, though, not 
even hardcopy only!

But none of that even comes close to some scenarios I've been told 
some German government offices manage to set up with Windows NT. Like, 
networking offices with lines of 64 or 128 (some even 256) kbps, and 
using those lines to connect bunches of several PCs to one NT server 
each, which has to serve as file server, application server and link 
to some "legacy software" that runs on a unix server through terminal 
emulation. I've been told by trustworthy sources that they even try to 
run automated software upgrades and Service Pack installations for NT 
over those lines, what turned out to take from several hours to 
several days per task, during which the employee is expected not to 
touch the machine... I'm quite sure it's just a matter of time they 
all wish that they had stayed Unix-only, even if that would have meant 
staying text terminal only...

Cheers,
Rob



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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           01-Oct-99 17:34:19
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 on Warp3/FP32

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 1 Oct 1999 00:33:22, rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham) 
wrote:

..snip...
> I'm not trying to install into *any* particular directory.  I run Install
> and it says it can't create a directory.  It doesn't say what (or where)
> directory it is trying to create.
> 
>     -Jerry
> -- 
> ============================================================
> Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
> E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com
> Written Friday, October 01, 1999 - 12:33 AM (EDT)
> ============================================================
> MR/2 Ice tag:  WARNING:  Check your toilet paper stockpile.  Make sure it's
Y2K compliant. Word has it, if it isn't, come Jan 1, 2000, it will roll back
to 1900, then turn into a Sears Catalog.

OK, I assume you never get asked for the directory where you want to 
install to, which, probably, means that the install program is looking
for a place to put it's installation program stuff.

This should be looking at your SET TEMP=x:\temp and/or SET TMP=x:\temp
variables, in CONFIG.SYS, in order to find a place to put the file (I 
am not 100% sure that this is the case, but it is a place to start). 
Check these two entries. Both entries should be there. x: should be 
the disk with the most room on it. \temp should exist (it doesn't need
to be \temp, but that is a good name for it). There should be only ONE
set of these (if there are multiple entries, only the LAST one will be
used). If these entries don't exist, it will try to use the root 
directory, on your boot drive (which is messy, at the very least). If 
your boot drive happens to be FAT formatted, you have a restriction of
512 directory entries, which includes directories, and the volume 
label.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
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From: donm@ftel.net                                     01-Oct-99 20:46:13
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

In message <TBWI3.6472$Gg6.53975@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> -
fmiller1@fmiller1@home.comFri, 01 Oct 1999 04:17:55 GMT writes:
:>
:>A very informative post.  Very well done.
:>
:>Thank you

:>>I'm back online and raring to go!  Here's my syslevel
:>>information:
:>>


C:\OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.FPK
                           OS/2 Warp 4 Service Level
Version 1.00     Component ID 566933010
Type Fixpak
Current CSD level: XR0M012
Prior   CSD level: XR0M012

C:\OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2
                           IBM OS/2 Base Operating System
Version 4.00     Component ID 5639A6100
Type 0C
Current CSD level: XR0M012
Prior   CSD level: XR04000

Press Enter (<) to display next page.

I have also upgraded to fp12 using the RSU page.  I've been using
it since, well, seems like forever....  Home and Office....

works great and yes, an upgrade, even with purchase would be
ideal through this method....







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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           01-Oct-99 15:32:22
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Frank McKenney wrote:
> 
> In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
> >Frank McKenney wrote:

[***SNIP!!!***]

> 
> Well, now that you mention it...
> 
> Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
> reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
> printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
> attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
> out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).
> 
> The professor's technique had a one-character-sized pixel (not square,
> obviously (;-)) and used various letters/symbols with some overprinting
> to achieve appropriate greyscale levels.  In order to provide a
> sufficient number of pixels the image was printed in "strips" and then
> joined.  Anyone remember the 6' by 8' StarTrek images?
> 
> Anyway, we could use a similar approach to display 'web graphics on your
> teletype and 110-baud modem.  A bit slow, though...  and hard-copy only.
> Do I hear any volunteers for the Beta testing? (;-)
> 
> Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
> Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
> E-mail: frank_mckenney@mindspring.com

I remember those - in fact, I've seen a program that could take images
in a couple of different formats (seems to me they were pcx and
MacPaint), and convert them to text images. And I remember full well the
1403 and related line printers - faster than your average laser printer
at pumping out pages of stuff.
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From: jstuyck@home.com                                  01-Oct-99 19:49:10
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: Jim Stuyck <jstuyck@home.com>


"Mark L. Kahnt" wrote:

> Frank McKenney wrote:
> >
> > In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
> > >Frank McKenney wrote:
>
> [***SNIP!!!***]
>
> >
> > Well, now that you mention it...
> >
> > Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
> > reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
> > printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
> > attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
> > out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).

Sounds like someone forgot to punch a hole in his carriage control
tape, or screwed up gluing it together and it came apart!  ;-)
(I go waaaay back, too.  Been there, done that.)


> I remember those - in fact, I've seen a program that could take images
> in a couple of different formats (seems to me they were pcx and
> MacPaint), and convert them to text images. And I remember full well the
> 1403 and related line printers - faster than your average laser printer
> at pumping out pages of stuff.

No 1403-N1 could (or can) hold a candle to, say, an IBM 3800 which is
a laser machine that uses cut paper, unlike the fanfold of the 1403.  And
the 3800 has been around for a looooong time.

Where have you been?  ;-)

Jim Stuyck

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From: jstuyck@home.com                                  01-Oct-99 19:51:28
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: Jim Stuyck <jstuyck@home.com>


Jim Stuyck wrote:

> "Mark L. Kahnt" wrote:
>
> > Frank McKenney wrote:
> > >
> > > In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
> > > >Frank McKenney wrote:
> >
> > [***SNIP!!!***]
> >
> > >
> > > Well, now that you mention it...
> > >
> > > Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
> > > reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
> > > printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
> > > attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
> > > out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).
>
> Sounds like someone forgot to punch a hole in his carriage control
> tape, or screwed up gluing it together and it came apart!  ;-)
> (I go waaaay back, too.  Been there, done that.)
>
> > I remember those - in fact, I've seen a program that could take images
> > in a couple of different formats (seems to me they were pcx and
> > MacPaint), and convert them to text images. And I remember full well the
> > 1403 and related line printers - faster than your average laser printer
> > at pumping out pages of stuff.
>
> No 1403-N1 could (or can) hold a candle to, say, an IBM 3800 which is
> a laser machine that uses cut paper, unlike the fanfold of the 1403.  And
> the 3800 has been around for a looooong time.

Oops...make that "uses fanfold paper, like the 1403."  Been out of the
business too long, it appears.


>
>
> Where have you been?  ;-)
>
> Jim Stuyck

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               01-Oct-99 21:32:29
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)


>> Anyway, we could use a similar approach to display 'web graphics on your
>> teletype and 110-baud modem.  A bit slow, though...  and hard-copy only. 
>> Do I hear any volunteers for the Beta testing? (;-)
 
> Well, I have an old computer I don't plan to use for the next several years. 
<g>

Perhaps you guys prefer a real DataProducts Band Printer? Seem to have such
a beast in the basement. Rather heavy though, might be expensive to ship <g>.
Or should I try to hook it up to my cable-modem? How to get the boxes with
listing
paper up the stairs ot the appartment fast enough then? How do I send your
guys
the results? Scan it and then as attachment to emails? My cable ISP would hate 
it.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             30-Sep-99 17:57:24
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 on Warp3/FP32

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:58:29 GMT, Jeffrey S. Kobal wrote:

>Also, if you go to a command prompt and type the
>command "SET TEMP" or "SET TMP", are they set to
>a directory on a drive with much free space?

Also check that "temp" and "tmp" are pointing to a subdirectory, not
the root of a drive. i.e. temp=x:\temp\ , NOT temp=x:\ .


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    01-Oct-99 21:58:15
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

	Okay, just got Describe in the mail today (thanks Paul).  Damn 
that's a good manual...  Anyways, I have it installed in all forms.  OS/2 
version, Win3.1 version (Win-OS/2), and also on my Windows 95 partition.  
Everything seems to work fine except on the Windows 95 side.  Apparently, 
each time I start it, it gives me this error message "...screen...".  I 
didn't write it down in detail, but suffice to say it was the number of 
colors displayed.  Apparently Describe Win32 does not like having 65k 
colors (High color - 16bit), nor does it like True Color - 32bit so that 
leaves me with a crummy 256 colors.  Don't know if the resolution matters
any (set at 800x600 currently).  Does this "Frequent Flier CDROM" update 
the Windows 95 version since I have read it updates the OS/2 version.  
Interesting problem since the Windows 3.1 version did not give any such 
error message.
	I'm standardizing myself on Describe at any event.  Now, this 
means I can type away doing whatever I normally do under OS/2 and can 
then print the document up under Win-OS/2 (or Windows 95) with the best 
possible printing quality that my inkjet printer can deliever.  Man this 
will just kick ass when I have photo's embedded in my Describe 
documents.  No more re-formatting!

(To Buddy; it arrived, thanks)

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                01-Oct-99 16:13:14
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs) said:

>The only thing IBM sells _is delivery on subscriptions in many 
>forms and sizes, and they deliver on every one exactly as 
>they contract to do,

Which is the case of Warp 4 is "perhaps."

>but in spades.

Funny you should say that.  I was just using a spade minutes ago.  Know what I
was using it for?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        01-Oct-99 20:28:11
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: IBM PACKed files

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

Is there any way to get an *extended* view of archives created with 
IBM PACK program?

I am aware of UNPACK /SHOW, but this does not provide date or size 
information...  :-(

Are there any undocumented flags available?

--
John

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From: donm@ftel.net                                     01-Oct-99 20:54:14
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

In message <DyCYxxWdd2Ym-pn2-nGLb6UNk74i9@pm03-28.sac.verio.net> -
szrob@ns.net (John Roberts) writes:
:>
:>  Just saw a posting on Sun's web page and saw Staroffice for sale for
:>6.95.  Actually the cd comes with three or four ports of the program. 
:>Is this collection of things worth getting for OS2?  I seem to 
:>remember reading in the Linux groups that Staroffice ran slowly.  
:>Might be wrong though.
:>Any comments?

StarOffice slower on Linux due to static libraries..  OS/2
uses Dynamic libraries..  Still an improvement over Office

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               01-Oct-99 20:55:09
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: When OS/2 comes to a temporary halt...

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

>>> I need advise on what tools I can use to determine
>>> what process or system component is causing this.
>>> Is SPM/2 still available?

Hmmm, knew I had seen at least something that might
match your needs a long time ago. So I went over to my
archives and found TOP3Beta. Never used it (far to techie
for me <g> don't know why I kept it) Want me to email it?


	TOP 0.3 - Ian.Hargreaves@ibm.net


	Introduction
	============

	This utility is similar to the Un*x tool TOP. It displays
	a list of processes and the amount of CPU they are using.
	The amount of CPU is calculated using the undocumented
	OS/2 call DosQProcStatus. This function gives details for each
	thread on how much SYSTEM (kernel time) and how much USER
	(application) time is being used.

	This is NOT a load monitor - the statistics displayed are not real
	time, they are the statistics for the previous monitoring period, which
	is currently 2 seconds.

	The load is calculated by comparing the amount of CPU that a process
	has used in the current monitoring period compared to how much the
	same process used in the last monitoring period.

	Display
	=======
	A list of active processes is displayed and sorted according to the
	current sort specification.

	Processes are displayed in colour according to how much CPU they
	have been using .... 

	      0%  - 33% GREEN 
	    34% - 66% YELLOW 
	    67% - 99% WHITE_ON_RED 

	Here is some sample output from TOP...

	Procs:26  Threads:119 Ready:2  Loaded:3  Blocked:113
	Time:13:11:52 Up:  3:03:48

	Total CPU     CPU% Avg% Pid Thr Pri Name
	  0:00:01.209  0.0  0.0   6   1 200 C:\IBMCOM\LANMSGEX.EXE
	  0:00:00.155  0.0  0.0   4   1 21F C:\OS2\SYSTEM\LOGDAEM.EXE
	  0:10:57.665 30.6>25.2  22  24 200 C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE

	Procs:      Total number of running processes.

	Threads:    Total number of threads

	Loaded:     Threads that are loaded but not running or blocked -
	used to keep processes in memory without them actually running

	BLocked:    Blocked threads - waiting for some event to happen.

	Time:       Guess.

	Up:         System up time.

	Total CPU:  Total amount of SYSTEM and USER time this process
	has used. (HH:MM:SS.MMMM)

	CPU%:       The percentage of the total CPU usage in the last time
	period that was used by this process

	Avg%    Average CPU percentage of this process (reset by pressing A)

	Pid:  Process identification number. Each process is given a unique 
	identification number before it can start execution. This number
	could in theory loop around to start from 0 again.

	Thr:        The number of threads this process has created.

	Pri:        Process priority. Processes don't actually have a priority - 
	threads do. This is the figure for the priority of the first thread
	in a process (every process has at least one thread).

	Name:       Work it out yourself.

	Please note that the the loaded+blocked+ready threads does not
	equal total threads. This is because the number of running threads is
	not included, and unless you are lucky enough to have a multi-processor
	system - you will only ever see one thread in the RUNNING state.

	Keyboard Options
	================
	The following keys may be used once top has started.

	F1  - Display this help text

	F3, X, Q, ESC
		- End program

	S:Sort Options
		U: Sort by percent CPU Usage
		T: Sort by Total CPU Usage
		P: Sort by Process ID
		N: Sort by Process Name
		I: Sort by prIority
		O: nO sort order

	Process Name
		N: Toggle full path,  or .EXE name only

	Kill Process
		K: Enter PID Number - This will only kill the
		top level process NOT the whole process tree.

	Memory/Process Details
		M: Toggle display of memory, and swap or
		process summary

	Average CPU Reset
		A: Resets CPU average to 0, and re-starts average
		calculation

	Display Process
		D: Enter PID of process to display

	Page Up/Down
		Move process list up/down for long lists


	Technical Information
	=====================
	TOP uses only 2 threads - one to process keyboard options,
	and another one to call DosQProcStatus, calculate usage, and
	display the results.

	Both threads run at the default priority class and in total will not
	impact system performance by any significant amount.

	TOP is a VIO mode program. This means that if you increase the
	number if lines that are available at the command prompt, TOP will
	use those extra lines to display more information.

	So, it might be a good idea to run choose a smaller font, and set the
	number of lines to 50 .. [C:\]MODE CO80,50

	By the way - remember this is NOT a load monitor. Most load monitors
	work by having a background thread run constantly to calculate CPU
	usage.

	TOP spends most of it's time sleeping between screen updates during
	which time the CPU is free to do other more useful stuff.


	Known Bugs
	==========

	Very large numbers appear sporadically in CPU usage column under
	heavy system load.

	Sometimes CPU usage is 0 for all processes or 50% for just one process.

	Contacting the author
	=====================
	Please feel free to provide any feedback - positive or negative, and/or
	enhancement requests to the author at the following addresses.

	E-Mail:     Ian.Hargreaves@ibm.net  (preferred)
	Compuserve: 100432,2162

------------------------------------EOF----------------------------------------


Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                01-Oct-99 23:18:17
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: No more Software Choice, what gives?

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

That was truly hysterically funny!  ROTFL!!  Thanks!



On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:13:28 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs) said:
>
>>The only thing IBM sells _is delivery on subscriptions in many 
>>forms and sizes, and they deliver on every one exactly as 
>>they contract to do,
>
>Which is the case of Warp 4 is "perhaps."
>
>>but in spades.
>
>Funny you should say that.  I was just using a spade minutes ago.  Know what
I
>was using it for?
>
>Jim L
>Remove XX from address to Email
>Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.
>
>

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                01-Oct-99 17:24:23
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Tell me this can't BE

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

In a release of Injoy Dialer I found this.

 * InJoy Basic versions 1.x and earlier expire with this release and
   need to be re-registered.

Tell me they can't do that!!!

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               01-Oct-99 23:49:22
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Joe Kovacs schrieb:
> 
> In <37F3FE34.3EBC@erols.com>, Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com> writes:
> 
> >If instead of a few billion bits of object code we substituted a few
> >billion (or billion billion) cells,
> 
> Please take ytour lies to an advocacy group.  Thank you.

Eh? What's the lie here? You mean OS/2 has far more code? Fine. Anyway,
he's just trying to give a different perspective. So what? You don't
have to agree with his point of view (I, too, don't think that the
comparison is a good one), but there's really no need for accusations
like this.
Please calm down.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       01-Oct-99 23:08:19
  To: ReplyToNews@The-Net-4U.com                        01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: When OS/2 comes to a temporary halt...

To: ReplyToNews@The-Net-4U.com
From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Yes Please.

Henk

M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn wrote:
> 
> >>> I need advise on what tools I can use to determine
> >>> what process or system component is causing this.
> >>> Is SPM/2 still available?
> 
> Hmmm, knew I had seen at least something that might
> match your needs a long time ago. So I went over to my
> archives and found TOP3Beta. Never used it (far to techie
> for me <g> don't know why I kept it) Want me to email it?
> 
>         TOP 0.3 - Ian.Hargreaves@ibm.net
> 
>         Introduction
>         ============
> 
>         This utility is similar to the Un*x tool TOP. It displays
>         a list of processes and the amount of CPU they are using.
>         The amount of CPU is calculated using the undocumented
>         OS/2 call DosQProcStatus. This function gives details for each
>         thread on how much SYSTEM (kernel time) and how much USER
>         (application) time is being used.
> 
>         This is NOT a load monitor - the statistics displayed are not real
>         time, they are the statistics for the previous monitoring period,
which
>         is currently 2 seconds.
> 
>         The load is calculated by comparing the amount of CPU that a process
>         has used in the current monitoring period compared to how much the
>         same process used in the last monitoring period.
> 
>         Display
>         =======
>         A list of active processes is displayed and sorted according to the
>         current sort specification.
> 
>         Processes are displayed in colour according to how much CPU they
>         have been using ....
> 
>               0%  - 33% GREEN
>             34% - 66% YELLOW
>             67% - 99% WHITE_ON_RED
> 
>         Here is some sample output from TOP...
> 
>         Procs:26  Threads:119 Ready:2  Loaded:3  Blocked:113
>         Time:13:11:52 Up:  3:03:48
> 
>         Total CPU     CPU% Avg% Pid Thr Pri Name
>           0:00:01.209  0.0  0.0   6   1 200 C:\IBMCOM\LANMSGEX.EXE
>           0:00:00.155  0.0  0.0   4   1 21F C:\OS2\SYSTEM\LOGDAEM.EXE
>           0:10:57.665 30.6>25.2  22  24 200 C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
> 
>         Procs:      Total number of running processes.
> 
>         Threads:    Total number of threads
> 
>         Loaded:     Threads that are loaded but not running or blocked -
>         used to keep processes in memory without them actually running
> 
>         BLocked:    Blocked threads - waiting for some event to happen.
> 
>         Time:       Guess.
> 
>         Up:         System up time.
> 
>         Total CPU:  Total amount of SYSTEM and USER time this process
>         has used. (HH:MM:SS.MMMM)
> 
>         CPU%:       The percentage of the total CPU usage in the last time
>         period that was used by this process
> 
>         Avg%    Average CPU percentage of this process (reset by pressing A)
> 
>         Pid:  Process identification number. Each process is given a unique
>         identification number before it can start execution. This number
>         could in theory loop around to start from 0 again.
> 
>         Thr:        The number of threads this process has created.
> 
>         Pri:        Process priority. Processes don't actually have a
priority -
>         threads do. This is the figure for the priority of the first thread
>         in a process (every process has at least one thread).
> 
>         Name:       Work it out yourself.
> 
>         Please note that the the loaded+blocked+ready threads does not
>         equal total threads. This is because the number of running threads
is
>         not included, and unless you are lucky enough to have a
multi-processor
>         system - you will only ever see one thread in the RUNNING state.
> 
>         Keyboard Options
>         ================
>         The following keys may be used once top has started.
> 
>         F1  - Display this help text
> 
>         F3, X, Q, ESC
>                 - End program
> 
>         S:Sort Options
>                 U: Sort by percent CPU Usage
>                 T: Sort by Total CPU Usage
>                 P: Sort by Process ID
>                 N: Sort by Process Name
>                 I: Sort by prIority
>                 O: nO sort order
> 
>         Process Name
>                 N: Toggle full path,  or .EXE name only
> 
>         Kill Process
>                 K: Enter PID Number - This will only kill the
>                 top level process NOT the whole process tree.
> 
>         Memory/Process Details
>                 M: Toggle display of memory, and swap or
>                 process summary
> 
>         Average CPU Reset
>                 A: Resets CPU average to 0, and re-starts average
>                 calculation
> 
>         Display Process
>                 D: Enter PID of process to display
> 
>         Page Up/Down
>                 Move process list up/down for long lists
> 
>         Technical Information
>         =====================
>         TOP uses only 2 threads - one to process keyboard options,
>         and another one to call DosQProcStatus, calculate usage, and
>         display the results.
> 
>         Both threads run at the default priority class and in total will not
>         impact system performance by any significant amount.
> 
>         TOP is a VIO mode program. This means that if you increase the
>         number if lines that are available at the command prompt, TOP will
>         use those extra lines to display more information.
> 
>         So, it might be a good idea to run choose a smaller font, and set
the
>         number of lines to 50 .. [C:\]MODE CO80,50
> 
>         By the way - remember this is NOT a load monitor. Most load monitors
>         work by having a background thread run constantly to calculate CPU
>         usage.
> 
>         TOP spends most of it's time sleeping between screen updates during
>         which time the CPU is free to do other more useful stuff.
> 
>         Known Bugs
>         ==========
> 
>         Very large numbers appear sporadically in CPU usage column under
>         heavy system load.
> 
>         Sometimes CPU usage is 0 for all processes or 50% for just one
process.
> 
>         Contacting the author
>         =====================
>         Please feel free to provide any feedback - positive or negative,
and/or
>         enhancement requests to the author at the following addresses.
> 
>         E-Mail:     Ian.Hargreaves@ibm.net  (preferred)
>         Compuserve: 100432,2162
> 
>
------------------------------------EOF----------------------------------------

> 
> Regards from Leeuwarden
> Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
> ---
> usethenet.at.the-net-4u.com (at becomes @)
> ----

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               02-Oct-99 00:07:29
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: Tell me this can't BE

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

lifedata@xxvol.com schrieb:
> 
> In a release of Injoy Dialer I found this.
> 
>  * InJoy Basic versions 1.x and earlier expire with this release and
>    need to be re-registered.
> 
> Tell me they can't do that!!!

Huh? Does this mean that they want you to pay gain for using their OLD
software? This is ridiculous! Have a look at your license. I guess there
will be nothing about a time-limited license. Or can they really do
that?

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               02-Oct-99 00:03:17
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 20:01:21
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Ron Vopicka schrieb:
> 
> Am I the only one who sees a strange irony here?
> 
> If instead of a few billion bits of object code we substituted a few
> billion (or billion billion) cells, we could be talking about a person
> who is terminally ill and/or comatose with no hope of revival.

<snipped a lot>

This is a very interesting comparison, Ron. However, I don't think it's
a good one. OS/2 provides - even in its "comatic" state - me and lots of
people with the possibility to run good software with great stability,
i.e. it is still of great use and by no means comatose. Can you compare
that to a nearly dead person who is just lying in bed, surrounded by
tons of machines and cables, unable to move?
And BTW, doesn't IBM still make money with WSeB, WSOD and Warp Client?
Wasn't there a note saying IBM did make about 30% more money with OS/2
last quarter or year than expected?

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: rjlapham@infinet.com                              01-Oct-99 00:23:11
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 23:42:03
Subj: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 on Warp3/FP32

From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham)

In <37F2FB6C.247977D9@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>, on 09/30/99 
   at 05:58 AM, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> said:


> Jerry Lapham wrote:

> > I'm not running 4OS2, I don't have any directory names with spaces, and I
> > have no idea what directory the Install app is trying to create.  Where do
> > I go from here?

> Do you have much space on your C: drive?

It's a 127MB FAT drive with DOS/Win31.  It has about 45MB free.


> about your boot drive (if not C:)....?

OS/2 boots from E:, which has about 370MB free.

> Also, if you go to a command prompt and type the
> command "SET TEMP" or "SET TMP", are they set to
> a directory on a drive with much free space?

SET TEMP shows drive H:, which has about 800MB free.  SET TMP points to
drive E: (about 370MB free).

> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation
> Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team

What directory is it trying to create and where?

    -Jerry
-- 
============================================================
Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com
Written Friday, October 01, 1999 - 12:23 AM (EDT)
============================================================
MR/2 Ice tag:  Happiness won't buy money.

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  01-Oct-99 21:27:15
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 23:42:03
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:30:34, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:
> 
> >You mean some partitions have 0 bad blocks, and others have no bad blocks 
at
> >all?
> 
> See below.
> 
> >> lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:
> >> >
> >> > 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
> >> >
> >> > On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody
know why?
> 
> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.

Ah.

Now it's much clearer.


-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.

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From: mauricej@xs4all.nl                                02-Oct-99 01:49:13
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 23:42:03
Subj: Re: Tell me this can't BE

From: "Maurice Janssen" <mauricej@xs4all.nl>

On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:07:58 +0200, Christian Hennecke wrote:

>lifedata@xxvol.com schrieb:
>> 
>> In a release of Injoy Dialer I found this.
>> 
>>  * InJoy Basic versions 1.x and earlier expire with this release and
>>    need to be re-registered.
>> 
>> Tell me they can't do that!!!
>
>Huh? Does this mean that they want you to pay gain for using their OLD
>software? This is ridiculous! Have a look at your license. I guess there
>will be nothing about a time-limited license. Or can they really do
>that?

AFAIK the key that used to work for 1.x and up to 2.2 will not work in
2.3 anymore. But if you are happy with an older version then you don't
have to pay again.

HTH, Maurice
-- 
Maurice Janssen      |   The best way to accelerate
                     |   a computer running Windows
mauricej@xs4all.nl   |   is at 9.8 m/s^2


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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                01-Oct-99 23:53:03
  To: All                                               01-Oct-99 23:42:03
Subj: GRADD .8 screwed up video install

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

I recently tried to install GRADD .8 on a Warp4/FP10 machine with a
S3765 PCI card. The install failed and now I cannot reinstall my older
S3 2.8.4 drivers. using setvga gets me a plain VGA install but when I
try to install the older drivers it fails with an "unable to find
valid .dsp file" or words to that effect. Has anyone else run into
this problem?

TIA

Duncan

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