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From: tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu                             18-Sep-99 00:22:22
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu

Doug Darrow writes:

> Or use ROBOSAVE which is absolutely FREE (it's IBM EWS for OS/2) and
> has worked flawlessly ever since OS/2 2.1 days.

Has anyone tried using REGEDIT2?  Read in the file, then save it
to a different name.

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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         18-Sep-99 05:22:04
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 06:00:28
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:47:10 +0200, Henk kelder wrote:

>Not true. They can be made visibile. Try applying (using REXX) the
>following setupstring against the nowhere folder:
>
>"NOTVISIBLE=NO;SHOWALLINTREEVIEW=YES"

Henk, does NOWHERE exist in Aurora? If so, where is it hidden?



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From: acogbill@ibm.net                                  18-Sep-99 09:03:29
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: "Allen Cogbill" <acogbill@ibm.net>

Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:

Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
                 C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
                 D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
                 E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8

Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
                 G: (logical)     HPFS

Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
                 /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
                 /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
                 /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
                 /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)

I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp (maintenance),
Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux 
partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.

I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.

Allen Cogbill
Los Alamos, NM


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From: as@sci.fi                                         18-Sep-99 10:37:23
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: mkisofs directories

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston) writes:

> Could some kind person enlighten me, please ...
> 
> I have mkisofs working just fine, but I cannot work out how to feed it
> directory names. Let me give two examples:
> 
> 1) How do I specify the path so that the whole of my C:\ drive will
>    (after cdrecord) appear identically on the CD. So, for example,
>    I want c:\config.sys to end up as e:\config.sys
> 
> 2) How do I specify a path so that a sub-directory of the C:\ drive
>    becomes the root directory of the CD. So, for example, I want
>    c:\data\file1.dat        -> e:\file1.dat
>    c:\data\subdir\file2.dat -> e:\subdir\file2.dat

Well, 2) is the default behaviour, I think. For 1), you need to
include the /=/ option.
 
-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           18-Sep-99 15:59:19
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Allen Cogbill wrote:
> 
> Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
> Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
> out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:
> 
> Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
>                  C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
>                  D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
>                  E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8
> 
> Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
>                  G: (logical)     HPFS
> 
> Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
>                  /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
>                  /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
>                  /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
>                  /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)
> 
> I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp
(maintenance),
> Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux
> partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
> Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
> this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
> experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.
> 
> Allen Cogbill
> Los Alamos, NM

You need to run LILO - you should have a LILO configuration utility (I
run Debian rather than RedHat, so I'm not sure if it is the same. Debian
uses /usr/sbin/liloconfig), which you tell to install LILO in the Linux
root partition - not the master boot record, which is where OS/2 Boot
Manager is located. Dig about in /usr/doc/lilo, and read it over. If you
do have liloconfig, it is amazingly self-evident to install everything
in the right spot.
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From: spamonoloawmg@yesic.com                           18-Sep-99 16:15:16
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: "andrew g" <spamonoloawmg@yesic.com>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:03:58 -0600 (MDT), Allen Cogbill wrote:

>Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
>Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
>out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:

man lilo
OS/2+Linux HOWTO

for the HOWTO, go to www.linux.org

andrew


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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       18-Sep-99 21:51:26
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Gerry,

Don't know, but guess that it does. Like warp I would expect a directory
on the os/2 boot drive called \NOWHERE.

Henk

Gerry Britton wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:47:10 +0200, Henk kelder wrote:
> 
> >Not true. They can be made visibile. Try applying (using REXX) the
> >following setupstring against the nowhere folder:
> >
> >"NOTVISIBLE=NO;SHOWALLINTREEVIEW=YES"
> 
> Henk, does NOWHERE exist in Aurora? If so, where is it hidden?

-- 
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From: enricoros@libero.it                               18-Sep-99 19:54:25
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: where can i find driver for seagate ctd4004r-s dat ???

From: "enrico rossi" <enricoros@libero.it>

enricoros@libero.it


                            tks tks


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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      18-Sep-99 18:52:24
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <npbtovyyvozarg.fi9aym0.pminews@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, "Allen Cogbill"
<acogbill@ibm.net> writes:

>Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
>Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
>out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:
>
>Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
>                 C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
>                 D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
>                 E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8
>
>Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
>                 G: (logical)     HPFS
>
>Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
>                 /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
>                 /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
>                 /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
>                 /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)
>
>I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp
(maintenance),
>Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux 
>partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
>Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.
>
>I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
>this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
>experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.

Does Boot Manager allow you to label the linux / partition as 
bootable?  If so, you shouldn't have any problem.   Just tell 
lilo to install to /dev/sdb7 and it should be OK.  If you haven't
installed already, the installation program should ask where you 
want to put lilo; just tell it /dev/sdb7 and you're off.  If 
you've already installed linux just open /etc/lilo.conf in your 
favorite editor and change the "boot = /dev/whatever" to "boot = 
/dev/sdb7" save the change and re-run lilo to write the changes 
to the boot record.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        19-Sep-99 13:02:20
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Re: Remote Control Client for OS/2 Warp 3 Connect?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:13:57, "Michael Lahr" <michael.lahr@kaufhof.de> wrote:

> I'm looking for a  Remote Control Client running on OS/2 Warp3.
> The controler could run on OS/2, DOS or Windows.
> 
> Does someone knows one?

It may be a tad complex for your needs, but Netfinity Service Manager
will do this.  IBM appears to have made it free for download at

http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&page=IBM+PC+Server&doctype=Downloadabl
e+fil
es&subtype=Netfinity+Manager&brand=IBM+PC+Server#documents

(watch out for wrapping in the above URL).

The "client services" - i.e., the software for the system _being_ 
controlled, will run on OS/2, 95/98/NT, Win3.1, SCO and NetWare.

The "manager" (for the controller) will run on OS/2 and 95/98/NT.
No DOS version, unfortunately...

This is a rather complex application, as it does tons more than just
remote takeover, so it may be overkill for just that purpose...

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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: chris@clsyscn.com                                 19-Sep-99 23:54:11
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: comm port monitoring

From: "chris" <chris@clsyscn.com>

I have a device connected to comm port and my applicaton is sending and
receiving discontinous data over the comm port.
I need to write a small program to monitor the data flow over the comm port
and take appropriate action if no data flow over comm port for a period of
time. Since the data is discrete therefore the small program cannot be
running continuously without stopping.
Can anyone out there have any idea to cope with it or any other suggestion
to monitor the discrete data over comm port?

Thanks in advance for any inputs.

Regards,
Chris.


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From: NewsReader@NerdWorld.org                          19-Sep-99 13:25:20
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Java 1.18 Clobbers Netscape

From: "Casey Bralla" <NewsReader@NerdWorld.org>

I just upgraded my Java to the most recent 1.18.  Now Netscape is clobbered. 
It cannot do a DNS lookup, complaining about no DNS entry.  If I type in an
IP address, it works just fine.   Running nslookup from an OS/2 Window works
fine too, so I know the DNS setup is still good.

I've tried re-installing Netscape 4.04, but no avail.

Anybody got any suggestions?

Casey Bralla
LinuxList@NerdWorld.org


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From: jt5555@epix.net                                   19-Sep-99 20:53:10
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: comm port monitoring

From: jt5555@epix.net (Julian Thomas)

In <7s30ie$7vh$1@hfc.pacific.net.hk>, on 09/19/99 
   at 11:54 PM, "chris" <chris@clsyscn.com> said:

>I need to write a small program to monitor the data flow over the comm
>port and take appropriate action if no data flow over comm port for a
>period of time. Since the data is discrete therefore the small program
>cannot be running continuously without stopping.
>Can anyone out there have any idea to cope with it or any other
>suggestion to monitor the discrete data over comm port?

SIO includes a program called PMLM that monitors the line.  Not sure how
to use it in an automated fashion, though....
 
-- 
 Julian Thomas: jt 5555 at epix dot net  http://home.epix.net/~jt
 remove numerics for email
 Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc  http://www.possi.org
 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
 -- --
 All computers wait at the same speed.



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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     20-Sep-99 06:57:08
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:03:58, "Allen Cogbill" <acogbill@ibm.net> woke 
up with a head full of whiskey and wrote:

> Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
> Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
> out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:
> 
> Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
>                  C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
>                  D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
>                  E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8
> 
> Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
>                  G: (logical)     HPFS
> 
> Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
>                  /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
>                  /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
>                  /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
>                  /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)
> 
> I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp
(maintenance),
> Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux 

> partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
> Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
> this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
> experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.
> 
I have almost the exact same setup, except I'm using Linux-Mandrake 
6.0, and I get 'garbage' (an L and then nonstop 0 1 01) every time I 
attempt to boot to the Linux partition, but as with yours, using the 
'rescue' disk works.  Adding LILO didn't help.  I even tried using an 
old copy of System Commander, but I got the same results.

It did point me in the direction of what I hope is the solution.  
System Commander documentation reports that Linux can only be 
installed in the 0 or 1 drive, any partition.  I'm going to attempt to
repartition my second drive and install the main Linux area there, and
see if it works.

If you come up with another solution, it would be greatly appreciated.

J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
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http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               20-Sep-99 00:37:09
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: Java 1.18 Clobbers Netscape

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:25:40, "Casey Bralla" <NewsReader@NerdWorld.org> a
‚crit:

> I just upgraded my Java to the most recent 1.18.  Now Netscape is clobbered. 

> It cannot do a DNS lookup, complaining about no DNS entry.  If I type in an
> IP address, it works just fine.   Running nslookup from an OS/2 Window works
> fine too, so I know the DNS setup is still good.
> 
> I've tried re-installing Netscape 4.04, but no avail.
> 
> Anybody got any suggestions?

	How did you make this upgrade?  What version did you have before?

	I upgraded mine yesterday from the last build (may 99 I think) and 
everything is working perfectly.

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: rrkurtz@us.ibm.com                                20-Sep-99 13:26:21
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: Dick Kurtz <rrkurtz@us.ibm.com>

Ref:     Append at 15:59:39 on 99/09/18 -0400 (by kahnt@adan.kingston.net)

RedHat install gives you the option of installing LILO as MBR (would replace
Boot Manager) or in the / or Linux. Not sure how you would do this after
Linux is already installed. I have my system booting NT, OS/2 or Linux using
Boot Manager. lilo.conf looks like this (I have 4 kernel levels available).
I think the "boot = /dev/hdc5" line is what tells lilo where to install but
not sure.

boot = /dev/hdc5
timeout = 20
prompt
default = linux-2.2.12
vga = normal
read-only
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
append="reboot=w"
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.5-15
  label = linux-2.2.5-15
  root = /dev/hdc5
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.10
  label = linux-2.2.10
  root = /dev/hdc5
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.11
  label = linux-2.2.11
  root = /dev/hdc5
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12
  label = linux-2.2.12
  root = /dev/hdc5


Dick Kurtz
eBusiness Development, Austin Tx.

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From: kenny@host.hawk.igs.net                           19-Sep-99 05:37:27
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: Backup & Defragmentation 3.1 (Sept. 7, 1999)

From: Kenneth Yuill <kenny@host.hawk.igs.net>

John,

Thanks very much for a well-written article. The information on RAR/2 
is very timely, as I have acquired a copy only recently. Hope 
everything is well on the "Rock", biy.

Kenn
	(Remove obvious spam references to reply to kenny at hawk.igs.net)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 99.09.07, 03:16:32, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) 
wrote regarding Backup & Defragmentation 3.1 (Sept. 7, 1999):


>                   Backup & Defragmentation 3.1

>      This is just a little primer drawn up in order to help OS/2
> users to use common compression utilities such as PkZip for
> backing up their OS/2 drives.
>      Another use for this is also to fight against fragmentation.
> OS/2's HPFS file system does not fragment like the way FAT drives
> do, but it does become susceptible to it when the drive is almost
> full. 
... [EDITED] ...

Yes, I have had problems with drives at > 80 % full in the past, on 
older drives and earlier FP's than 7, if I didn't run a defragmentation 
utility such as GammaTech or Graham on a weekly or more frequent basis.

--- 
Best Regards / Mit freundlichem Gruá
		/ Meilleures salutations / saluti e cordialita,
	Kenn
___________________________________________
      Always act as if life is a joyous journey.
          - Kenn Yuill
      OS/2 Warp 4 FixPak 10 - StarOffice 5.1a  
________________________________________________




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From: Klassen@UVic.CA                                   20-Sep-99 21:22:14
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: command line aliases

From: Klassen@UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:29:10, jogood@ibm.net wrote:

> Is there a way to do command line aliases as in Unix? 
>  I'm nuts about dircolors but don't like typing it all the time.

/* Use the force, Luke.   REXX, of course */
parse arg stuff  
'@DIRCOLORS' stuff
 exit rc

Save it as 'xxx.CMD', into some directory which is listed in the 
'PATH'
statement in your 'CONFIG.SYS' file, where "xxx" is a unique name of 
your choice.

Note that 'parse arg' allows for more than 9 "tokens".

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          20-Sep-99 22:41:22
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Backup & Defragmentation 3.1 (Sept. 7, 1999)

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 05:37:55, Kenneth Yuill <kenny@host.hawk.igs.net> a 
Úcrit dans un message:

> John,
> 
> Thanks very much for a well-written article. The information on RAR/2 
> is very timely, as I have acquired a copy only recently. Hope 
> everything is well on the "Rock", biy.


I missed the original to this, but here's a warning. I restored several 
drives, HPFS and JFS, from RAR archives a couple of months ago and it did 
*not* restore the EAs. Yes, this was the latest version and yes I used 
archiving settings that should have kept them.


> 
> Kenn
> 	(Remove obvious spam references to reply to kenny at hawk.igs.net)
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> 
> On 99.09.07, 03:16:32, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) 
> wrote regarding Backup & Defragmentation 3.1 (Sept. 7, 1999):
> 
> 
> >                   Backup & Defragmentation 3.1
> 
> >      This is just a little primer drawn up in order to help OS/2
> > users to use common compression utilities such as PkZip for
> > backing up their OS/2 drives.
> >      Another use for this is also to fight against fragmentation.
> > OS/2's HPFS file system does not fragment like the way FAT drives
> > do, but it does become susceptible to it when the drive is almost
> > full. 
> .... [EDITED] ...
> 
> Yes, I have had problems with drives at > 80 % full in the past, on 
> older drives and earlier FP's than 7, if I didn't run a defragmentation 
> utility such as GammaTech or Graham on a weekly or more frequent basis.
> 
> --- 
> Best Regards / Mit freundlichem Gruá
> 		/ Meilleures salutations / saluti e cordialita,
> 	Kenn
> ___________________________________________
>       Always act as if life is a joyous journey.
>           - Kenn Yuill
>       OS/2 Warp 4 FixPak 10 - StarOffice 5.1a  
> ________________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         20-Sep-99 18:00:19
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: New Keyboard ????

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,
 
I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
those available here, they all come with
keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
I would like to know if those keyboard 
will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
is any use for those buttons 
 
//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           21-Sep-99 12:17:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: mkisofs directories

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

Anssi Saari (as@sci.fi) wrote:
: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston) writes:

: > 2) How do I specify a path so that a sub-directory of the C:\ drive
: >    becomes the root directory of the CD. So, for example, I want
: >    c:\data\file1.dat        -> e:\file1.dat
: >    c:\data\subdir\file2.dat -> e:\subdir\file2.dat

: Well, 2) is the default behaviour, I think. For 1), you need to
: include the /=/ option.

When I gave mkisofs the path "d:\research\data" I ended up with files on
the CD (drive E:) called e:\d:\research\data\file1.dat and so on. OS/2
does not like this sort of file name one little bit!

Ian

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From: acogbill@ibm.net                                  21-Sep-99 07:40:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: "Allen Cogbill" <acogbill@ibm.net>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:59:39 -0400, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:

>
>You need to run LILO - you should have a LILO configuration utility (I
>run Debian rather than RedHat, so I'm not sure if it is the same. Debian
>uses /usr/sbin/liloconfig), which you tell to install LILO in the Linux
>root partition - not the master boot record, which is where OS/2 Boot
>Manager is located. Dig about in /usr/doc/lilo, and read it over. If you
>do have liloconfig, it is amazingly self-evident to install everything
>in the right spot.

Well, I did come up with a solution. I read the RedHat docs more carefully,
and discovered that RedHat's LILO could only boot to a SCSI drive if the SCSI 
ID was set to 0 or 1. It turned out that mine was set to 6. So, I took the 
drive out, set it to 0, then went through the entire partitioning setup again:

1. Partition the SCSI disk with OS/2 fdisk (or fdiskpm).
2. Put what was to become the Linux boot partition onto Boot Manager's menu.
3. During installation of Linux, used its fdisk to set the partition ID's
   correctly (to Linux native and Linux swap, as appropriate)
4. Installed Linux and put LILO in the root partition.

Then, after installation, I can boot to the Linux partition: LLIO comes up, 
and it boots me to Linux. Everything is OK!

I also installed ext2-os2.ifs so that I can mount the Linux file systems from 
OS/2. It also seems to work well.

I think that the comments in the docs that LILO can only boot to the first or
the 2nd disk only apply to like disks. That is, it could only boot to the 
first or the 2nd EIDE disk or the first or the 2nd SCSI disk. This seems, 
especially for the SCSI disks, a nuisance, as other Unix systems can boot to 
any disk (typically SCSI), without ID restrictions.

Allen Cogbill
acogbill@ibm.net
Allen Cogbill
Los Alamos, NM


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From: ijjmrq@ghg.com                                    15-Sep-99 18:14:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Sex Photo from 12 to 16 years old!  8841

From: ijjmrq@ghg.com

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From: jackw@ibm.net                                     20-Sep-99 18:01:28
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Fixpack 11

From: "Jack Weaver" <jackw@ibm.net>

When I attempted install Fixpack 11 for OS/2 Warp 4 using RSU it first
installed a new version of RSUINST.EXE and then it restarted and downloaded
and unziped a 1+ Mb file.  It then said that I must have version 1.78 of
RSUINST.EXE before I could continue and it proceeded to delete everything
that it had done and then it quit.  A check of the version of RSUINST.EXE
that the program had downloaded revealed that it was 1.77.  Does anyone know
where I can obtain the latest (v1.78 or better) of RSUINST.EXE?

Thanks for your help
Jack Weaver				|| TROPICON XVII -  Nov 13-15, 1998
South Florida Science Fiction Society	|| Guest of Honor:  Neil Gaiman
jackw@ibm.net				|| Visit TROPICON's Homepage at
jackw@bc.seflin.org			|| http://scifi.squawk.com/tropicon.html



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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  21-Sep-99 17:19:27
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: (1/2) Re: How to copy ini files?

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Thanks Henk - I thought I was trying to say basically the same but
obviously totally failed by confusing it with inappropriate(or
incorrect) terminology and obtuse meanings.
I appreciate and welcome your clarification but was struggling
with attempting to describe the process from a non-programmers viewpoint
(because I'm not a programmer - an amateur dabbler in Rexx obviously
doesn't count!<g>).

Let's see if I grasp the terminology correctly now and we can finally
look at heading towards concluding the "understanding" without me
confusing or inadvertently misleading others further:

A WPS object can only exist in one of two states - Dormant or Awakened.
Objects that are opened or executing are awake and you can work with
these to change properties and it can be accessed by other
progs/objects.
If object is not in memory then it only exists on harddisk in form of
it's "persistent" storage. Such objects in this "state" are said to be
dormant.
To optimise the "user perceived response" the WPS will "automatically"
review it's list of "awakened" objects that the user has subsequently
"closed" and make these become dormant after a preset delay
(configurable as OBJECTSNOOZETIME in config.sys but the default in
absence of this statement being 90secs? I believe).
Perhaps a loose analogy would be comparing this to a file system cache
except the WPS is trying to anticipate you re-using the same object and
not necessarily reading the next sequential part of a harddisk?.... so
perhaps more accurately analagous to Netscapes use of it's "cache"
perhaps to avoid re-requesting an existing HTML/page from server?
Some categories (eg System Folder) will be kept awake.  Others will not
be affected by this configurable setting (eg Transient printer jobs)
because their "persistent storage"(arguably a misnomer cos we said they
didn't have any) is not in the ini's but elsewhere  (in say spool
file/headers - but again it's dangerously ambiguous to call these
"persistent storage" because they don't refer to exact same object of
course?) .
Perhaps mentioning Transients and LP contained "shadows" in the same
explanation is misleading because they are totally different base
classes but just "happen" to use the same Nowhere directory. IE the
intention was not to infer they use the same mechanism or rationale
other than simply "conveniently" using this same directory per se? As
Transients are therefore otherwise not relevant to discussion in hand
tis better they were ommitted henceforth for clarity perhaps?.

So the "location" for an "awakened" object is not (allways / necessarily
/ never?) the same as it's "persistent storage".(You'll probably wish to
correct this<g> generalisation no doubt with some
exceptions/elaboration).
In the context of this discussion then can we say that the LP/WC
"contained" shadow objects are "awakened" from their "persistent
storage" into their "non dormant, non-persistent locations" in the
Nowhere directory?

Now we stated the possibility that we should be able to (by externally
booting) delete the Nowhere directory and then re-create it.
This being the premise based on Ray's original request to ensure we can
restore all our desktop (Not withstanding your valid Pareto based
comments that we are already expending >>>>80% effort in trying to cover
the <<<<<20% unlikely chance of having to do this in practise anyway!).

Providing we allocate the correct(identical) name to this new directory
then the "pointers"in the ini(and elsewhere) should still be validly 
"pointing" to this "awakened location"?  Thus ideally when LP/SC(WC) is
opened in this particular scenario then it should still contain all it's
"contained" shadows and not green ?'s or blanks respectively?

Problem is that embarrassingly I'm still unable to successfully
accomplish this (arguably) simple experiment.  Probably I need to
experiment further with case sensitivity and backing out alternative
PMMERGE etc <g> in case these are complicating the "test".  
Also because I invariably only use HPFS volumes I can't boot to real DOS
to try this directory manipulation "outside" of OS/2.   :-(      ....but
I should be able to achieve same equivalent results booting
from OS/2 elsewhere?.

Specifically if I create the identical named Nowhere(whatever case)
directory then the WPS hangs with clock on blue background. If I let WPS
create the default directory then it's created as (uppercase) NOWHERE
and I get a LP re-created with default "contained" drawer objects.
(Which is interesting because originally before embarking on this
exercise in masochistic futility<g> I had a mixed case Nowhere4 etc   ?.
)
If I delete the LP (leaving the previous NOWHERE intact) and
re-boot(re-create) then NOWHERE1 is created which is to be
expected......  but successfully "retro fitting" an existing LP into a
newly created (but hopefully identically named) Nowhere directory
appears still to be somewhat illusive.....  (It's entirely possible I
have an unrelated EA problem that CHKDSK is not resolving perhaps -
hence this prolonged explanation)

Undoubtedly  my understanding of how the OS2 ini's are "cached" and
PM_Abstract:FolderLocations etc are updated is still flawed at worst or
ambiguous at best.
However, something still looks a little "woolly" or incomplete in our
explanations(no offence intended) as regards the permanency (or not) of
these "locations" in Nowhere and what we(I) are potentially missing when
we "recreate" the identical named Nowhere directory.

I'm sure I've missed something obvious here but have reached an impasse
as I have no wish to exhaust your patience by continually labouring the
same question albeit posed in a slightly different way either..... 
(otherwise I would be on c.o.o.a wasting my time teasing others <vbg>)
Feel free to be "brutal"<g> if you think continuing this discussion
serves no useful purpose to anyone but me (as you have already most
kindly expended much time and patience) and have undoubtedly allready
contributed towards raising other users knowledge sufficiently (.....to
also get themselves in a lot of trouble probably<vbg>) on this topic.

Which leaves me currently with the continued exercise of using your
worthy tips for accessing Nowhere and musing on what Monopoly could mean
in Dutch<g>(apart from the Game or equivalent English meaning ala
Microsoft....<g>).

Henk kelder wrote:

> Tony Wright wrote:
> >
> > Henk,
> > Well it does sound like these  "desktop" type questions do repetitively
> > and frequently re-surface along with half baked / half-right /
> > half-wrong / ambiguous answers so  there may well be some value add in
> > perhaps condensing some/all of your worthy answers into a INF/FAQ or
> > similiar appendage to your WPTOOLS package perhaps?
> > Without repeating all of the relevant Redbook that is......and easy for
> > me to volunteer someone else to do the work!-  As you say - like you had
> > nothing else better to do!<vbg>.
>
> I gladly pass this one on to someone else....

If I can reach a definitive conclusion supported by experimental
observations then I'll gladly put some more productive "effort" where my
mouth is and offer a condensed "article" for peer review?.
A non-programmers perspective mind you and therefore of little use other
than to hopefully minimise ones time in repeatedly answering the
continual variations of this same question?
Assuming that this would be generally perceived in principle as offering
some value add towards a greater "introductory" understanding of
WPS/Desktop and these types of questions?

> >
> > It sounds argumentative if I say we're discussing different object
> > classes whose "end results" share a common temporary "working
> > repository"........together with "cause and effect" perhaps?.
> > How about a nuclear analogy?:
> > Nowhere is a "special container or capturing device"  for these "sub
> > atomic - quark" particles that can only exist (fleetingly in some cases
> > depending on their energy levels or "classes") while the WPS/Desktop
> > "reactor" is online?
>
> No. Thats not what I said.

Whoops  - I'll steer clear of this exact analogy in future then....  if
it has the potential risk of a "nuclear" incident,China Syndrome,
Chernobyl meltdown whatever "reaction"! <vbg>

> The WPS uses three base class objects:
> FileSystem (Files & Directories)
> Abstract (Objects not being files or directories, but still with
> persistent storage - they survive a boot)
> Transient objects (Objects with no persistent storage - they do NOT
> survive a boot)
>
> For some reason, someone decided that some abstract objects are located
> (but not stored) in Nowhere.

Allegedly the same "designer/architect" then went from Boca to Redmond
when remnants of OS/2 Development team got "rationalised, de-committed,
de-populated, thoroughly de-motivated" and consequently "transferred"
into Austin..... <vbg>

> Most likely cause is that they (IBM) didn't
> want the user to see these objects.
> Maybe the same person, maybe someone else (who cares)

As you say who cares as they are both now probably working for M$ on
Win2K/NT5/Cairo whatever anyway.....<vbg>

> decided that some
> transient objects during their existence are located in the same nowhere
> directory. Note that this is not relevant. They could be located
> anywhere, but they 'happen' to be located in the nowhere dir.
>
> > The container itself does not originate these particles but is very
> > necessary in order to view them?
>
> Well, you could say it is the chair they need to sit on. This chain
> however has been made invisible for the user.
>
> > > No. The Launchpad has (when actually used, not when it is a WC) arrays
> > > for each drawer refering the shadow objects handles that it actually
> > > shows on its drawers. Via the PM_Abstract:FolderContent these objects
> > > are located in the Nowhere Folder.
> >
> > Ahhh but at the risk of being pendantic - you hopefully see the problem
> > in comprehending this concept properly in the last sentence?
> > A user could be forgiven for saying(and becoming confused with my
> > help<g>): "Hold on - Henk's now saying the objects "pointed" to by
> > PM_Abstract:whatever are located in Nowhere folder which he also says is
> > only valid(the contents that is) while the Desktop/WPS is up(and thus
> > get blown away on shutdown).
>
> Only the transient ones got blown. The Abstracts don't die.

Specifically the transient ones "awakened location" in Nowhere got
blown?.
(To which you might say - No it can't be an "awakened" location as that
could also imply the converse  "dormant" persistent storage state and
that doesn't exist for Transient objects per se? - Once a transient is
closed then it ceases to exist subject to the latency of any NON
CONFIGURABLE object snoozetime but is re-created "new" if it's parent is
reopened?)
Interestingly,  if (eg) a spool file still exists after a reboot(cos the
job is held or didn't print and thus get subsequently deleted) then a
"new" Transient "print job" object is "located" or "awakened" in Nowhere
when opening its parent print Q object on a subsequent reboot....

Disregarding Transients momentarily (cos I think we both? agree they
have nowt to do with original question except obscure it further
perhaps<g>), and thus expanding/elaborating the more pertinent
"abstracts" part:
The Abstracts permanent "persistent" storage doesn't die but what about
it's "awakened" location in Nowhere? During shutdown do these EA's (&/or
associated pointers elsewhere) get "cleaned up" or left as is when
system memory allocated to these awakened objects is recovered?  
In other words could we be missing "some" part of the "process" when
we(or specifically I) try and recreate a new Nowhere dir?

You probably raise your eyes towards the heavens when reading this and
think how deliberately "pendantic" and incredibly "uncomprehendingly
THICK" can this guy be?!! .....but it's merely stated to demonstrate
that a concept that you personally find  quite "clear" and unambiguous,
may be mis-interpreted/mis applied in various ways by the average (?)
"layman".....
(without wishing to imply that all/any others are as perceptively
"dense" as me of course ..........with possibly two, Hawaiian and
Californian based, exceptions.....Nuff said!<vbg>).

> > But also states that their "persistent" origins are elsewhere and thus
> > are adequately backed up( with INI/Desktop/cfgs )?
> > It infers that relevant handles/pointers/objects in INI and Nowhere are
> > dynamically (re)created, but it doesn't perhaps fully or exactly explain
> > the "flow" or process that dynamically creates these shadows(in Nowhere)
> > from their persistent origins when WPS is started and LP/SC subsequently
> > launched?.
>
> The ones used by LP/SC are not transient.

Apologies again if I implied they were(I didn't think I did but this may
be our mutual language/comprehension difficulties exacerbating the
problem - no offence)...  :-(
I did unwisely use "recreate" and also considered using "transitory" 
(too easily confused with Transient as a base class) to describe the
"awakened" state/location?

> You are confusing the location with storage. An object has a location
> that may differ from where it is stored. All abstract objects are stored
> in OS2.INI, but could be located anywhere. (And transient objects have a
> location, but are not stored anywhere - thats what makes them transient)

Hopefully my explanation at the very top demonstrates I might have had
at least some rudimentary grasp of the concept even if I failed most
miserably to explain it correctly previously<g>..... and no doubt also
failed to completely succeed with this attempt as well!<vbg>.

> >
> > Exactly, so to re-synchronise (or re-create) these shadow objects it is
> > then necessary to:
> > 1. Determine the correct Nowhere directory (remembering that
> > there may be several in existence but only one that is currently valid
> > or referenced in the INI's etc).
>
> Theoretically, one could create abstract objects in one of the other
> Nowhere's or to be more precise, anywhere on the file system. So not
> only in the desktop directory tree.
>
> > 2. Boot from an alternative method/partition to ensure OS/2 doesn't get
> > it's claws into that specific partitions Nowhere and associated INI etc)
> > 3. Remove any corrupted Nowhere and/or recreate missing one with its
> > correct name/suffix?

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  21-Sep-99 17:19:27
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: (2/2) Re: How to copy ini files?

> > 4. Reboot original partition so that the "shadow" objects are now
> > correctly re-created.
>
> Not re-created. The chair they sit on should be there.
>
> >
> > Question on the table is can we ingeniously do this via some creative
> > batch cmd's via OS/2's Desktop Archive Restorer or must we resort to
> > some manual stages as above?
>
> I prefer my own WSPBKP. Muuccch easier.

Phew!... and now we know why!<g>.

> >
> > Precisely, thus those users that "incorrectly" propose that the Nowhere
> > directory has to be backed up(or more accurately allege that it contains
> > objects that cannot be recreated from their "persistent" storage
> > origins) are wrong.......per se?.
>
> An object is not created from its persistent storage. A better word is
> they are awakened from their storage to their location.
>
> > What I suspect they are alluding to is the the actual naming of the
> > Nowhere directory such that if for whatever reason they do not
> > have say Nowhere4 named directory in existence anymore but Nowhere
> > instead, then they cannot restore their LP/WC because the INI's etc are
> > still pointing to a now (non-existent) Nowhere4 directory!
>
> YES.
>
> > > the OS2*.INI's are saved.
> >
> > So what I/You/We are now saying(and agreeing I hope) is that  to answer
> > Ray's original question:
> > To backup the Desktop completely then one needs to either
> > programmatically decode the actual NoWhere (suffix) directory name that
> > Ini's and SC are pointing to and recreate it, or perhaps pipe the result
> > of DIR NOWHERE*. > LPWC.DIR , say,  as part of Desktop Archive and
> > recreate these?
> > But this is only required to ensure that the appropriate Nowhere
> > directory name now exists when the corresponding INI's which were
> > originally written/backed up are subsequently restored.
>
> Yes. One should actually read all keys at PM_Abstract:FolderContents.
> These keys contain the low-words of all object handles of folders that
> contain abstract folders. Normally putting a 3 in the hiword creates a
> real object handle. There is a API (WinQueryObjectPath) That is able to
> give the full path name for these object handles.

At the risk of digressing further is that also where I see a 2 in hiword
elsewhere apparently denoting an Abstract PRO as opposed to a 3 for a
folder or am I obfusicating the issue again?(Having tried to dispense
with Transients I don't really want to replace em with another
"wobbler"....<g>)

> When restoring a specific set of INI files, all these directories must
> be present otherwise (some) objects will remain dormant due to the fact
> that they have no chair to sit on.
>
> > > It uses the "ADDTRAY=<object1>,<Object2>" format.
> >
> > Or similarly DRAWEROBJECTS=drawer,id[.....] if you're using REXX to
> > recreate LP....
> > Well I did say your method was "generically" the most reliable<g>.
> >
> > But Ray Tennenbaum(bless him) did imply the question of backing up
> > desktop without(additionally to or alternatively to) using your
> > superlative utility?
>
> For most users, simply backing up the INI's and the desktop directory
> structure will save about 99% of the desktop.
> Only if you wanne reach 100% the 90/10 rule applies. (One needs 10%
> development time to reach 90% of the target functionality and the
> remaining 90% time are needed for the last 10% functionality).

Indubitably and point well taken.  Because of that this discussion
was(and will continue to be if it is destined to last much longer)
somewhat academic....

> > For one reason - it appears once Protected Mode(or at least before the
> > second interation of PMSHELL) has started then Nowhere is locked with S
> > H attributes (which will diligently keep being reset at intervals) then
> > trying to reset these, RD and MD an appropriate Nowhere directory before
> > WPS starts, becomes somewhat problematical....  :-(
>
> Try settings NOTVISIBLE=NO to the nowhere directory.

Bless you but I'm already progressing along those lines and the
(academic) objective was to see if this whole scenario could be achieved
programmically using preferrably default Rexx  and those types of
SETTINGS (and not "C" based API's as you mentioned earlier) - A fools
errand no doubt but hopefully it's mainly my time wasted and not too
much of yours<g>

> > Thanks(yet again) but I am conscious of monopolising(whoops I mean -
> > taking up too much of) your time.
>
> Believe it or not but Monopoly is also a dutch word.

So it appears from all the above and preceding that I'm still stuck "in
jail" - "Do not pass Go" - "Do not collect 200 guilders...."  ....etc
... :-(
....but somewhere there is a "CHANCE" get out of jail free card to
resolve my "recreating/re-synchronising" Nowhere problem....... 
I just havn't landed on the appropriate "?" square yet(apart from those
damn green ones<g>) and am still getting bankrupted every time I throw
the dice and "land" on one of your exhorbitantly expensive(rent) canal
side Amsterdam WPS "properties" or Schipol "nowhere" airport!<g>

I was hoping we could "go dutch"<g> and defray the cost?.
(if you get my "drift" and excuse my attrocious puns/analogy......)

But thanks again for playing anyway...<g>

> --
> Remove nospam when replying..

--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"

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From: as@sci.fi                                         21-Sep-99 20:36:14
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) writes:

> Hi guys,
>  
> I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
> those available here, they all come with
> keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
> to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
> I would like to know if those keyboard 
> will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
> is any use for those buttons 

Yes and yes, but who'd WANT those stupid windoze keys? Or all the
weird extra keys they put in keyboards these days? I recently got a
Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite from pfuca.com.
  
-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca                       21-Sep-99 20:06:02
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

When you install LILO, do NOT select MBR. Just put it on /dev/sdb7
Then, use OS/2's fdisk and put the Linux partition (/dev/sdb7) on Boot
Manager's menu.

This is what I do and there are no problems.


Isaac

Allen Cogbill (acogbill@ibm.net) wrote:
: Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
: Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
: out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:

: Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
:                  C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
:                  D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
:                  E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8

: Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
:                  G: (logical)     HPFS

: Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
:                  /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
:                  /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
:                  /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
:                  /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)

: I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp
(maintenance),
: Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux 

: partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
: Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.

: I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
: this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
: experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.

: Allen Cogbill
: Los Alamos, NM



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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               21-Sep-99 14:28:10
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Fixpack 11

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Jack, everything you need for RSU is here,
http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/softupd.html.

Irv

Jack Weaver wrote:
> 
> When I attempted install Fixpack 11 for OS/2 Warp 4 using RSU it first
> installed a new version of RSUINST.EXE and then it restarted and downloaded
> and unziped a 1+ Mb file.  It then said that I must have version 1.78 of
> RSUINST.EXE before I could continue and it proceeded to delete everything
> that it had done and then it quit.  A check of the version of RSUINST.EXE
> that the program had downloaded revealed that it was 1.77.  Does anyone know
> where I can obtain the latest (v1.78 or better) of RSUINST.EXE?
> 
> Thanks for your help
> Jack Weaver                             || TROPICON XVII -  Nov 13-15, 1998
> South Florida Science Fiction Society   || Guest of Honor:  Neil Gaiman
> jackw@ibm.net                           || Visit TROPICON's Homepage at
> jackw@bc.seflin.org                     ||
http://scifi.squawk.com/tropicon.html

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From: smclennan@ibm.net                                 21-Sep-99 12:20:19
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Java 1.18 Clobbers Netscape

From: smclennan@ibm.net (Scott McLennan)

Try loading netscape 4.61 beta.  It is much more stable than 4.04 and works
fine with java1.1.8.  It is at 

http://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/net/net46-p



In message <arjfernqreareqjbeyqbet.fibhqs0.pminews@News.NerdWorld.org> -
"Casey Bralla" <NewsReader@NerdWorld.org>Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
writes:
:>
:>I just upgraded my Java to the most recent 1.18.  Now Netscape is clobbered. 

:>It cannot do a DNS lookup, complaining about no DNS entry.  If I type in an
:>IP address, it works just fine.   Running nslookup from an OS/2 Window works
:>fine too, so I know the DNS setup is still good.
:>
:>I've tried re-installing Netscape 4.04, but no avail.
:>
:>Anybody got any suggestions?
:>
:>Casey Bralla
:>LinuxList@NerdWorld.org
:>
:>




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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           21-Sep-99 18:49:01
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Java 1.18 Clobbers Netscape

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:25:40, "Casey Bralla" 
<NewsReader@NerdWorld.org> wrote:

> I just upgraded my Java to the most recent 1.18.  Now Netscape is clobbered. 

> It cannot do a DNS lookup, complaining about no DNS entry.  If I type in an
> IP address, it works just fine.   Running nslookup from an OS/2 Window works
> fine too, so I know the DNS setup is still good.
> 
> I've tried re-installing Netscape 4.04, but no avail.
> 
> Anybody got any suggestions?
> 
> Casey Bralla
> LinuxList@NerdWorld.org
> 
> 

I run NS2.02, and Comm4.04, and I updated to JAVA 1.1.8, when it first
came out. No problems. I just did the JAVA 1.1.8 update, with no 
problems.

The DNS lookup sounds more like something in the dialer went AWOL. 
Which dialer are you using? Most are supposed to update the DNS 
address in the Netscape program, when the connection is made.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: as@sci.fi                                         21-Sep-99 20:13:04
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:13
Subj: Re: mkisofs directories

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston) writes:

> Anssi Saari (as@sci.fi) wrote:
> : engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston) writes:
> 
> : > 2) How do I specify a path so that a sub-directory of the C:\ drive
> : >    becomes the root directory of the CD. So, for example, I want
> : >    c:\data\file1.dat        -> e:\file1.dat
> : >    c:\data\subdir\file2.dat -> e:\subdir\file2.dat
> 
> : Well, 2) is the default behaviour, I think. For 1), you need to
> : include the /=/ option.
> 
> When I gave mkisofs the path "d:\research\data" I ended up with files on
> the CD (drive E:) called e:\d:\research\data\file1.dat and so on. OS/2
> does not like this sort of file name one little bit!

Don't give the drive letter then?

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: mcmorran@norfolk.infi.net                         21-Sep-99 21:18:26
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Java 1.18 Clobbers Netscape

From: mcmorran@norfolk.infi.net (Peter McMorran)

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-8RBw3H3ltxbZ@localhost>, on 09/21/99 
   at 06:49 PM, doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett) said:

>On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:25:40, "Casey Bralla" 
><NewsReader@NerdWorld.org> wrote:

>> I just upgraded my Java to the most recent 1.18.  Now Netscape is
clobbered. 
>> It cannot do a DNS lookup, complaining about no DNS entry.  If I type in an
>> IP address, it works just fine.   Running nslookup from an OS/2 Window
works
>> fine too, so I know the DNS setup is still good.
>> 
>> I've tried re-installing Netscape 4.04, but no avail.
>> 
>> Anybody got any suggestions?
>> 
>> Casey Bralla
>> LinuxList@NerdWorld.org
>> 
>> 

>I run NS2.02, and Comm4.04, and I updated to JAVA 1.1.8, when it
>first came out. No problems. I just did the JAVA 1.1.8 update,
>with no  problems.

>The DNS lookup sounds more like something in the dialer went
>AWOL.  Which dialer are you using? Most are supposed to update
>the DNS  address in the Netscape program, when the connection is
>made.

Yes. Assuming this is Warp 4, nslookup uses \mptn\etc\resolv2 (at
least on my system), while other commands, including ping, use
resolv in the same directory. Dialers (DOIP, InJoy) always update
resolv, but may not update resolv2. Clients get the DNS address
from one of these files. You might try a ping to separate the
Java/browser issue from the DNS problem. For example, ping
www.ibm.com.

Cheers,
Peter

-- 
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mcmorran@norfolk.infi.net (Peter McMorran)
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  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              21-Sep-99 22:34:28
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Java 1.18 Clobbers Netscape

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Do you think you've posted in enough newsgroups? Which one would like an
answer in? The short answer is that installing Java can't cause this, so
something else has happened. Try posting more details to just one
newsgroup.

Graham.

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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                22-Sep-99 14:38:28
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:36:28, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:

îYes and yes, but who'd WANT those stupid windoze keys? Or all the
îweird extra keys they put in keyboards these days? I recently got a
îHappy Hacking Keyboard Lite from pfuca.com.

Righto - I have seen pictures of those keyboards and plan on
purchasing one for my next one. Currently I use a mini type 
keyboard - without the numeric keypad of dedicated cursor 
keys - and DEFINITELY without those windows keys.


________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             22-Sep-99 20:41:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

I have read of at least one tool that reconfigures the stupid Windows 
key.  So I suppose all the keys can be reconfigured.

Regards
Milind

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From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk                              22-Sep-99 21:49:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)

As other have said the keyboard should work as a basic keyboard.  If you
wanted to make use of the extra keys, you might be able to get at them through
Rexx.  I've just been looking at my copy of TYR in 21 days and there are
functions that return the scan codes.  You could get a Rexx script loaded in
Startup to do something useful with them.

But like the others I positively look for 101 or 102 key K/Bs preferably
american layout as I've got used to it - they are _rare_ in the UK.

In message <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-GdlPsqJv3Rfb@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca> -
racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) writes:
:>
:>Hi guys,
:> 
:>I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
:>those available here, they all come with
:>keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
:>to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
:>I would like to know if those keyboard 
:>will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
:>is any use for those buttons 
:> 
:>//-------------------------
:>Thank you in advance
:>
:>Merci a l'avance
:>
:>Martin
:>
:>http://205.237.57.73/
:>
:>ICQ #48552954



Jim Backus - Electronic Systems Engineer - OS/2 user by choice
 - member of Amnesty International
 - supporter of Proportional Representation
Bona fide  replies to jimb (at) jita dot demon dot co dot uk

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From: my.address@work.office                            23-Sep-99 09:01:24
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: mkisofs directories

From: my.address@work.office (Klaus Hoffmann)

In article <7rjcsu$jus$1@news.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Johnston says...
>[...]
>1) How do I specify the path so that the whole of my C:\ drive will
>   (after cdrecord) appear identically on the CD. So, for example,
>   I want c:\config.sys to end up as e:\config.sys
>
>2) How do I specify a path so that a sub-directory of the C:\ drive
>   becomes the root directory of the CD. So, for example, I want
>   c:\data\file1.dat        -> e:\file1.dat
>   c:\data\subdir\file2.dat -> e:\subdir\file2.dat
>
>The manuals I have, though full, are for Un*x systems and don't make the
above
>at all clear to me.
>
I don't know which distribution you're using, but the one I use 
(cdrecord-1_8a24_os2, as well as older versions) contains a file 
doc/cdrecordfaq.htm that addresses exactly your two problems.

Baseline is that you should replace the backslashes by forward slashes.

Hope either of the two informations help.
-- 
Klaus Hoffmann
Email: hoffmann#klaus@topmail#de
Replace hash marks by dots for mailing.
Spam seems to lurk everywhere these days...

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           23-Sep-99 16:31:05
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:00:38, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
Racette) wrote:

> Hi guys,
>  
> I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
> those available here, they all come with
> keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
> to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
> I would like to know if those keyboard 
> will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
> is any use for those buttons 
>  
> //-------------------------
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Merci a l'avance
> 
> Martin
> 
> http://205.237.57.73/
> 
> ICQ #48552954

I just saw one of those keyboards for the first time. Kinda neat, but 
I suspect that the extra keys won't do anything in OS/2.  I can't 
think of any reason why the basic keyboard won't work properly.

There is a package (look for WIN95KEY.ZIP, in the usual places), that 
will assign stuff to the 3 windows keys (on the main keyboard, between
the Ctrl and Alt keys). I haven't tried it, so I can't comment on how 
well it works. Perhaps a later version will also incorporate those 
fancy new keys.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        24-Sep-99 00:22:00
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

Tony Wright wrote:

> Felix Miata wrote:
 
> > Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> > > > A helpful hint.
> > > > Realign you switch to read: "/h /o /t /s /e /r /v"
> > > > It's easier to remember.

> > > You haven't heard the old mnenomic, "Sunday Every Village Housefrau
Throws
> > > Rats Out"?

> > Don't need /s anyway. /e implies /s. hotserv is just easier to remember.
 
> Well Well..... personally I didn't appreciate that?
> So /e(mpty) directories to be included also inherits(or has) included
> the functionality of /s(ub) directories as well by your rational<vbg>?
> So I can quite safely specify /e instead of /s and apart from also
> including empty directories it WILL ALSO include all subdirectories?..
> .....really?
> Thus also implying that the XCOPY help must be totally wrong when it
> says(to paraphrase):
> "/e when used WITH /s will create subdirectories on target  from source
> subdirs on source not containing any files?.
> (The /s on it's own will not create a subdir on target if no files exist
> in subdir of source). "
 
> Ummmm.......   I'm admittedly only at  OS2V4 + FP9 but could you
> possibly think of any reason why this doesn't actually work EXACTLY as
> you intimate on my system?<g>
 
> So /h /o /t /e /r /v    is supposed to be functionally equivalent to
> /h /o /t /s /e /r /v eh?...
> If so I guess Buddy will have to re-define his mnemonic to:
> "Hats Off To Erroneous Ridiculous Verbalisers"  <vbg>

> To be scrupously fair it's entirely possibly you were just implying
> exactly the above and that /e  can only be effectively used with /s
> anyway, but that seems to be a dangerously ambiguous way to state that
> on hindsight perhaps?
> So did I completely mis(understood) some clever technical play on
> words/parameters here (again....<yawn>....)?
 
Turns out this is one of those inexplicable differences between OS/2 &
DOS versions of XCOPY. I created a new HPFS partition and from it
executed:

	XCOPY F:\##@@#* /E

The result was no files copied, and no directories copied.

Then I reformatted from HPFS to FAT and rebooted to IBM DOS 7. From that
partition I executed:

	XCOPY C:\##@@#*.* /E

followed by:

	chkdsk | find "irecto"

resulting in:

	409,600 bytes in 200 directories

Switching to C: and repeating resulted in:

	1,241,088 bytes in 290 directories

Go figure? 90 hidden directories in C:\.

Next I rebooted to OS/2, changed to it, and reformatted, then:

	XCOPY C:\##@@#*.* /E /S

followed by:

	chkdsk | find "irecto"

resulting in:

	409,600 bytes in 200 directories

Again I reformatted, then:

	XCOPY C:\##@@#*.* /E /S /H

followed by:

	chkdsk | find "irecto"

resulting in:

	593,920 bytes in 290 directories

I guess I'll just stick to Partition Magic for copying bootable
partitions. That leaves even the date, time, & attribute stamps
identical to the source.
-- 
A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of
understanding holds his tongue.                Proverbs 11:12 NKJV

 Team OS/2

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net

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From: Novosad @server030.fwb.saic.com                   24-Sep-99 14:39:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Toolbar-Palette Position

From: Novosad @server030.fwb.saic.com

Hello,

     I had a normal Warp 4 desktop until the
Toolbar glitched badly.  Now it comes up in a
poor position on boot up.  I have tried to move
it back to a convenient place, but I cannot get
it to pesist.  I have used WPTOOL's CHECKINI, and
the destop settings to no effect.  Any ideas what
to try next?

Thank you

Steve

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From: stefan.sobina@okay.net                            25-Sep-99 01:22:01
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Shutdown

From: Stefan Sobina <stefan.sobina@okay.net>

Hi John,
yes there is a possibility to shutdown and keep it down.

The command is: setboot /iba:laydown

CU
Stefan

John Poltorak schrieb:

> Any suggestions for a shutdown program which will from a command line,
> close all windows sessions, without prompts and end up at a C-A-D screen
> something like Win9x ?
>
> SETBOOT would be the best candidate, only it forces a re-boot, which is not
> wanted at this point. Maybe it has some undocumented flags.....
>
> SYNC looks OK but doesn't close down WPS with its '-halt' option.
>
> --
> John

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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        24-Sep-99 22:51:22
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Shutdown

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

Any suggestions for a shutdown program which will from a command line,
close all windows sessions, without prompts and end up at a C-A-D screen
something like Win9x ?

SETBOOT would be the best candidate, only it forces a re-boot, which is not
wanted at this point. Maybe it has some undocumented flags..... 

SYNC looks OK but doesn't close down WPS with its '-halt' option.

--
John

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