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From: prather@infi.net                                  17-Sep-99 12:45:01
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:04
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

In message <qfqneebjaivargpbz.fi4mpg0.pminews@news.nvinet.com> -
"Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> writes:
:>
:>On 13 Sep 1999 15:41:47 GMT, Jerry Prather wrote:
:>
:>>Went to the mptn/etc directory, but there was no "host" file. 
:>>What should have created this?  What kind of extension would a
:>>host file have?  Right now I am on an entirely standalone machine
:>>and have no immediate intention to go to a network.  VA Java is
:>>not yet installed.
:>
:>Easiest way: Run TCPCFG from the command line. That'll bring up the
:>TCP/IP config notebook. First page should have all your LAN connections
:>and the LAT one in that list is (or should be) Loopback Interface.
:>Select it, then click "enable interface" and "manually" and it should
:>automatically set it to 127.0.0.1 If it doesn't then YOU set it to
:>that. Close the notebook and save the changes when asked. Reboot. Now
:>you should find a HOSTS (NOT host) file in /mptn/etc/ (Warp 3 puts this
:>in /tcpip/etc/ I believe) It's just a text file so you can open it and
:>edit it if you like, but is should now have a localhost already defined
:>in it. It'll also have other hosts defined if you're set up to access
:>others. But you should now be able to access a server deamon running on
:>your own maching using the local address. (127.0.0.1) You can access
:>SEVERAL local servers by using ...2, ...3, and so on for them. Oh, and
:>DO NOT define a subnet mask for your localhost.

Doug, I tried to take advantage of your suggestion.  I found
TCPCFG.exe and ran it.  For the very first time I saw a TCPIP
configuration notebook, but everything was greyed out.  There was
nothing on the first page, and no other pages could be reached.

Maybe this is a characteristic of the basic problem I'm facing.

Thanks for the assist,

Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net

"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
					- Me (circa 1998)

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          17-Sep-99 22:55:11
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:04
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

And what's the range?

Cheers

Wayne


On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:27:33 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

:>rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) said:
:>>I've got a Russian proggie called Dos Navigator that's one of the
:>>best shells I've ever seen
:>
:>Hm, howitzer?  Mortar?  Artilliary?
:>
:>Jim L
:>Remove XX from address to Email
:>More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
******************************************************



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From: as@sci.fi                                         16-Sep-99 19:14:05
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
 
> 	I just checked out the site, damn, this sounds great!  The source 
> is even available, so a plea to Netlabs or some other group to port this 
> over to OS/2 (someone else already ported it over to Windows).  

Why would a Java app need porting to anything?

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: bbarclay@ca.ibm.com                               17-Sep-99 12:13:02
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: Brad BARCLAY <bbarclay@ca.ibm.com>

Robert Gehrig wrote:
> What creates the RFCNAMES.LST file.?
> Can I create it?  What does it look like?

	AFAIK, this file is generated by MPTS, when you configure the "NetBIOS
over TCP/IP" protocol.  You may be able to generate it yourself -
however, I have never personally seen this file, so I don't know the
specifics of this (I tend to run NetBIOS and TCP/IP side-by-side across
stanard ethernet and token ring networks, and not with one encapsulated
within the other).

	However, if you have NetBIOS over TCP/IP installed, run MPTS
(MultiProtocol Transport Services), and edit the installoed NetBIOS over
TCP/IP protocol and you'll be able to enter the necessary info via the
GUI.

Brad BARCLAY

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v4.5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  bbarclay@ca.ibm.com		Location:  2G43D@Torolabs

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From: jbrock@panix.com                                  17-Sep-99 12:34:02
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: Acrobat Reader at 256 colours

From: jbrock@panix.com (John Brock)

In article <37e34519.5097658@news.freeserve.net>,
Steve <anon@anonymous.co.uk> wrote:
>Kris, John
>
>Have you been able to check out my last post ?.
>
>I know we probably don't have the same hardware but how about software
>?. Have you got a later version of the reader than me ?.

I have the save version of Reader as you do, except that I never
installed the beta, just the final 3.0.  I suspect that there is only
one non-beta version of Acrobat Reader 3.0 for OS/2.
-- 
John Brock
jbrock@panix.com

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From: andrie@ibm.net                                    17-Sep-99 13:39:29
  To: jiclbch@ibm.net                                   18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: How to know which IRQs is my OS/2 using?

To: jiclbch@ibm.net
From: "Hans Andrieáen" <andrie@ibm.net>

Juan I. Cahis schrieb:
 
> How can I know which IRQs is my OS/2 using? Is there an utility that I
> can download (from Hobbes?) that can tell me which IRQs, and maybe
> also I/O ports and memory windows, are used by my OS/2? This is
> important when you are trying to know why some supported PCMCIA cards
> don't work in my installation.
> 
> I use Warp 3.0 with FixPack 40 in a Thinkpad 380D. Thanks a lot!!!!

Use in a OS/2-Window RMVIEW /IRQ  (/DMA, /PORT, /HELP)

Bye/2
Hans

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From: hjmurray@home.com                                 17-Sep-99 17:35:25
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: quicken 99

From: "Hal Murray" <hjmurray@home.com>

 > >I second this vote. InCharge is a Great Well written program. 
And Bruce
 > Landeck 
 > >the Author is very very helpful.
 > 
 > Also, it has no problem with dates until the year 2500.  So you
might 
 > have to find something else then.  ;-)
 
I think it also wise for all the computer specialists working on the
Y2K problem to keep all their working notes because they will need
them for the 'run up' to the year 10,000.

Hal Murray
Calgary, AB

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             17-Sep-99 12:52:12
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:59:10 +0800, Wayne Bickell wrote:

>:>(It's from Czechoslovakia, so I guess that makes it a Czech-Cacheing 
>:>program?)
>
>Ouch!

Okay, guys. Let's DON'T get that thread started over here in a news
group! (Personally, I'm to Czecken to get into a pun-flinging contest)


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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                17-Sep-99 17:02:09
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: StarOFFICE 5.0a

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello All.

I have acquired StarOFFICE 5.0a, which is the version from SUN and
 does not require a serial number for trial.

As well there is SO 5.0 which is from stardivision.

These are both available on

ftp.natureboy.dyn.tj
username: os2
password: os2

I am using Hethemon Brothers FTP  (OS/2) server, but I didn't read
 the manual about whether it supports resume, so I don't know whether
 it is capable of doing resuming broken downloads.

===========================

Comment: I posted a similiar comment yesterday that I was going to be
 ready in a week's time, within 2 hours of posting the message I had
 8 people hitting the ftp server.

Hmmmm  I guess no one read that they should wait a week, well no need
 to wait a week its ready as of this moment.


Live Long and Prosper,



Derek


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From: nospam@nospam.com                                 17-Sep-99 23:40:03
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: Lotus123 takes forever to load

From: nospam@nospam.com (Bruce LaZerte)

When I click on a 123 file, Lotus123 takes forever to load it. There is a 
5-10 sec sequence of disk grinding complete with little blips on 
WarpCenter's system activity monitor.

However, when I start Lotus123 empty and then load the app, the combined 
time to load 123 and the spreadsheet is much less (about half?). 

What's going on? Some SOM thing?
It didn't do this earlier... about 6 (?) months ago. 

- Smart Suite V1.1 with the latest fixes

----------------------
Bruce LaZerte 	
Muskoka,Ontario,Canada
freshwat at muskoka dot com	

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          17-Sep-99 23:59:11
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: Re: Cribbage Game?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:18:02, Michael D. Stiler <stiler@ibm.net> a Úcrit 
dans un message:

> Anybody ever heard of a computerized Cribbage Game available on OS/2?

Wouldn't it deprive one of the extreme pleasure of jamming those pegs into 
those little holes?

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: djlamb@primenet.com                               17-Sep-99 19:15:24
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: Re: Cribbage Game?

From: Don <djlamb@primenet.com>


"Michael D. Stiler" wrote:

> Anybody ever heard of a computerized Cribbage Game available on OS/2?
>

Have looked for about 5 years or so and just can't find one.  I had a
windows version that worked well with an earlier version of OS/2 but I
lost it somewhere and have never been able to find it again!  If you find
something; please let me know!

Thanks

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From: Richard_Price@nospam.compuserve.com               18-Sep-99 02:38:13
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: Re: Object Desktop 2 - Hacking the LNF

From: "Richard Price" <Richard_Price@nospam.compuserve.com>

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:30:36 -0400 (EDT), andrew g wrote:

Actually, I made one months ago, and sent it to Kris Kwilas; it never turned
up anywhere, and I had long since forgotten about it.  I also started on the
same procedure you have used, but got tired of editing the bitmaps before
I got anywhere.

I also tried something else that partly worked:  You can hack the 
OBJDCCEN.DLL file the same way, changing bitmaps in it to change your 
clock, for example; but even more interesting, you can hex edit the file to 
change the color of the Control Center from its default grey.  I tried this 
once, and got 50% success, but again got bored with the effort and gave 
it up.  If anyone wants to try it, bear in mind you have to unpack the file 
first, and extract the bitmaps; otherwise there is too much else that looks 
like the 204/204/204 gray you want to change.  (Even after the bitmaps
are gone, there are still a good number of occurrences, which is why I 
never finished the job.)

:>I may be the only OD2 user to have made an LNF, judging
:>by the apathy I see around me and on Stardock's part. I
:>didn't mind using the C Compiler, but I got tired of
:>waiting for the promised API to turn off those darned
:>lines on the title bars!



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From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG                            16-Sep-99 21:00:00
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer

From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG

Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer
Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer
Frequency: biweekly
Frequency-Comment: monthly to financial/spreadsheet groups
Frequency-Comment: monthly to machine-specific .apps/.software groups
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
FAQ-Last-modified: 1999-Sep-05

comp.apps.spreadsheets     == cas
Frequently Asked Questions == FAQ

cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms.

The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ list can be obtained via all
news.answers access methods:

quoting the news.answers FAQ:

``
		    Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
/pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name".
Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may
not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name.

  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
by mail server as well.  Send an E-mail message to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on
separate lines for more information.
''

The FAQ list for comp.apps.spreadsheets can be found on the Internet:
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/spreadsheets/faq/>

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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             18-Sep-99 04:00:26
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: How to know which IRQs is my OS/2 using?

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

I have never found RMView /irq useful.

It is incomplete 100% of the time.  On every machine that I have used.

eg. on this machine, I get

RMVIEW: Physical view
  IRQ Level =  0  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
  IRQ Level =  1  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard 
Controller
  IRQ Level =  2  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
  IRQ Level =  4  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0 Serial 
Controller
  IRQ Level =  6  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy 
Controller
  IRQ Level =  7  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  PARALLEL_0 
Parallel Port Ad
apter
  IRQ Level =  8  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
  IRQ Level = 12  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 
Auxiliary Device
 Controller
  IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE 
Controller
  IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_1 ST506/IDE 
Controller

In this case, I know that my network card is using IRQ 11, because it 
shows up at boot time.  But it doesn't show up in the list above.  I 
want to install another network card on my machine and I simply don't 
know what IRQ to set it to.  I'm looking forward to that experience 
this weekend!  i just hope I don't spend the entire weekend on this.

Regards
Milind

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From: fmaskus@spamcop.net                               18-Sep-99 01:16:06
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 06:00:27
Subj: Re: Cribbage Game?

From: Frank <fmaskus@spamcop.net>

Michael D. Stiler wrote:
> 
> Anybody ever heard of a computerized Cribbage Game available on OS/2?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Mike
> 
> SysDate Consulting Services - "Mind over Data"
> Saratoga and Ryer Island, California
>      --------------------------------
> NRA Lifemember    CPRA Lifemember    Freemason
> Cyclist    Sailor    Diver    Pilot    Bagpiper
> "I'll give up sex before I give up motorcycling!"
> "Bagpipe Spoken Here"
>

Yup!! Sort of!! One runs under win-os2 the other DOS....
Will zip them and post tomorrow....

Frank.

-- 
*        Frank Maskus  Portland, Oregon           *
*   Homepage: http://www.pacifier.com/~fmaskus/   *
*                                                 *
*        An oxymoron: Knowledgeable AOLers        *

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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                18-Sep-99 05:21:01
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 06:00:27
Subj: StarOFFICE 5.0a

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello Tim.

17 Sep 99 16:08, you wrote to All:

Which OS/2 ftp servers support resume....

I have noticed a few people stopping by ftp.natureboy.dyn.tj but no
 one seems to be d/l anything.... I have adsl, the outbound speed is
 about 40-50kb/sec

Is there a problem with the server setup?

The Hethmon Brothers Server was pretty to setup.... hmm I wonder if
 it was too easy.


 >> I have acquired StarOFFICE 5.0a, which is the version from SUN
 and
 >>  does not require a serial number for trial.
 >>
 >> As well there is SO 5.0 which is from stardivision.
 >>
 >> These are both available on
 >>
 >> ftp.natureboy.dyn.tj
 >> username: os2
 >> password: os2
 >>
 >> I am using Hethemon Brothers FTP  (OS/2) server, but I didn't
 read
 >>  the manual about whether it supports resume, so I don't know
 >> whether it is capable of doing resuming broken
 >> downloads. ===========================

 TG> As a member of the OS/2 community I thank you for
 TG> sticking your neck out and your time, efforts, hardware
 TG> and making this fine suite available outside of Sun's
 TG> servers.

I thought about that, but figured if it was available for public
 download then it shouldn't be a problem.

 TG> Sun's SO 5.0a release is also available on a few
 TG> more FTP servers as well (that do support resume).
 TG> If you find one server busy you can try others.


Derek


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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               18-Sep-99 09:42:10
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Re: LinkWiz

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling) wrote:

It worked for me just now. But the page
was a testpage proving that the (new) install
of Mandrake / Apache on Linux is working now.

Noting of the previous content has been brought
into place yet, as far as I can see.  May I propose
that you do a WhoIs search at Internic and call them
of write them a fax about your interest and their site be-
ing down and not displaying expected content on those
phone/fax-number displayed on their card at Internic?

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     18-Sep-99 12:01:03
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Re: /mptn and /tcpip

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:09:16 GMT, alan@min.net.notspam wrote:

->In examining my \MPTN and \TCPIP directory trees, I noticed that they
->contain some duplicate files.  Is there some way to consolidate both those
->trees into one?  My etc dir is \MPTN\ETC, if that helps.

You could probably consolidate the two of them down into one directory
with a lot of manual work. Once you'd done that you'd probably never be
able to apply MPTS or TCP/IP updates ever again without ripping the whole
lot out and reinstalling it. Is it worth it? How much duplicate data are
we talking about here - a few hundred Kb I suspect. The correct files are
probably in \MPTN (check your PATH/LIBPATH for the order that is
searched).


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: rsstan@ibm.net                                    18-Sep-99 07:46:27
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Re: How to know which IRQs is my OS/2 using?

From: "Bob Stan" <rsstan@ibm.net>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:00:52 GMT, Milind Rao wrote:

>I have never found RMView /irq useful.
>
>It is incomplete 100% of the time.  On every machine that I have used.
>
>eg. on this machine, I get
>
>RMVIEW: Physical view
>  IRQ Level =  0  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
>  IRQ Level =  1  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard 
>Controller
>  IRQ Level =  2  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
>  IRQ Level =  4  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_0 Serial 
>Controller
>  IRQ Level =  6  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy 
>Controller
>  IRQ Level =  7  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  PARALLEL_0 
>Parallel Port Ad
>apter
>  IRQ Level =  8  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
>  IRQ Level = 12  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 
>Auxiliary Device
> Controller
>  IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE 
>Controller
>  IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_1 ST506/IDE 
>Controller
>
>In this case, I know that my network card is using IRQ 11, because it 
>shows up at boot time.  But it doesn't show up in the list above.  I 
>want to install another network card on my machine and I simply don't 
>know what IRQ to set it to.  
I am no expert but it is my understanding the RMView /irq does not determine
the actual use of IRQ's but merely reports what various install programs SAY
their device is using.  If the device install doesn't furnish this info,
RMView doesn't report it.


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From: michael.warmuth@wu-wien.ac.at                     18-Sep-99 13:00:03
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Re: Palm Pilot sync problem in Star Office 5.1

From: Michael Warmuth <michael.warmuth@wu-wien.ac.at>

Dear Carter,

Am 17.9.99, 21.41.42, schrieb cbrey@ibm.net (Carter Brey) zum Thema 
Palm Pilot sync problem in Star Office 5.1:

> Does anyone else have this problem, and if so, is there a workaround?
> No matter how I set the conduits in Star Schedule, whenever I do a
> HotSync, it resets itself to replace all Pilot files with my local HD
> files. For example, if I enter a new date book event in the Pilot, and
> set Star Schedule's Palm Pilot configuration dialog to synchronize
> Star Schedule with the Pilot (and only "events," not "addresses" or
> "tasks"), then press the HotSync button, it resets itself to replace
> all Palm files (date book, addresses and tasks) with those on my local
> HD. In other words, I can only synchronize in one direction (computer
> to Pilot), and cannot even control which files get replaced. I cannot
> replace the local HD files with those on my Pilot, or synchronize
> them.

First of all make a backup of your data. For the Palm use something 
like plink or jSyncManager. For StarOffice close the program and make 
backups of ...\Office51\database\adressen.* (may have other names in 
the English version; there are a *.dbf and a .dbt file with the same 
name), and ...\Office51\store\.cal.

Then delete the StarSync application on the Palm. Reinstall the 
starsync.prc. Now change the settings within StarSchedule as you like 
it and do a HotSync.

Let us know if this helped.

Greetings
Michael

-- 
Michael Warmuth                   Austria  - The place in the 
http://www.os2forum.or.at/        heart of Europe where no 
http://www.osiconsult.co.at/      kangaroos are hopping around




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From: prather@infi.net                                  18-Sep-99 14:36:09
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

Hi Brad, I sent you the following e-mail on Thursday, but have
not
recieved a reply.  In fact, I'm not even sure that it got
out.  Sorry if I'm bugging you without cause...

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:40:43 -0400, bbarclay@ca.ibm.com
wrote:

>
>
>Hi Jerry:
>
>     Well, your HOSTS file appears to have the correct
information in it.  I'm
>currently a bit confused as to why you can't resolve the name
correctly when
>you're not online.
>
>     Do you have an entry in your CONFIG.SYS that reads:
>
>          SET USE_HOSTS_FIRST=1
>
>     ?  If not, add this and reboot.  My only guess is that the
system is trying
>to resolve the name through your ISP's DNS (which would explain
why your ISP's
>domain name shows appended to the localhost when you do a ping
when you're
>online).
>
>     Let me know if this helps!
>
>Brad BARCLAY

Well, I didn't have that statement, so I added it and
rebooted.  Same problem  here are the current responses:

Not logged on:

[D:\]ping localhost
ping: unknown host localhost

[D:\]netstat -r

  destination         router          netmask   refcnt  
use  flags  snmp intrf
                                                           
         metric
      127.0.0.0       127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0    0       0  U  
     0  lan0

Now while on-line:

OS/2      Ctrl+Esc = Window List       Type HELP = help


[D:\]ping localhost
PING localhost.norfolk.infi.net: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=4. time=0. ms

----localhost.norfolk.infi.net PING Statistics----
5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0

[D:\]netstat -r

  destination         router          netmask   refcnt  
use  flags  snmp intrf
                                                           
         metric
        default    207.187.8.26         0.0.0.0    2      
13  UG       0  PPP0
      127.0.0.0       127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0    0       
0  U        0  lan0
      127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255    0      
10  UH       0  lan0
   207.187.8.26      209.97.8.9 255.255.255.255    1       
0  UH       0  PPP0

A couple of more points of detail that might be useful ---
I'm on Warp4 FP11, Java 1.1.8, full SCSI.  I have one
(known) anomaly in my system and that is that I have two
phantom drive letters (K: and L:) which show up before my
CD (M:) and CDW (N:).  I'd say that they have to do with a
PCMCIA slot driver, except that there ain't any!  It's
obviously somewhere in my config.sys (since I have another
partition at FP5 that doesn't exhibit this characteristic),
but I've been unable to locate it.  This causes problems
with BackAgain/2, but not much else.

Hope something here provides a clue...thanks again!

Jerry Prather                   prather@infi.net
Virginia Beach, VA

"Many religions are worth dying for; none are worth killing for."
				- Me, circa 1998


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From: ktkelvin@yahoo.com                                18-Sep-99 23:12:12
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: Re: Reinstalling Win95 with OS2

From: Kelvin Tsang <ktkelvin@yahoo.com>

In case the 'corruption' affects only the Win95 system,
not the partition, do the following :

1.    Bootup the DOS (the primary C:)
2.    Run the Win95 setup and install as normal
3.    After completion, reboot and run fdisk from Win95
       and mark the Boot Manager partition as active.

The installation of Win95 won't delete the BM, but it
will prevent the machine to bootup with it, so you have
to re-activate it.

Kelvin
--
#-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#
Hong Kong OS/2 User Group
http://www.os2.org.hk
news://www.freeforum.org/comp.os.os2

Psion Fan Club - Hong Kong
http://
news://www.freeforum.org/comp.pda.psion
#-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#



"A. Willard Reese" wrote:

> I have Win311 on a primary (C) Dos partition and Win95 on a primary
> (C) partition on the same hard drive.
> D partition is a logical Dos partition.
> E (OS2 Warp 4.0) is an HPFS partition.
> I am using OS2 Boot Manager which is the first partition on the
> physical drive.
>
> My problem is that Win 95 has become corrupted (not unexpected) and I
> must do a reinstall of Win95 from the cdrom.  I don't exactally
> remember how I first set this up and how it affected Boot Manager.  If
> I proceed with a normal Win 95 installation will it delete Boot
> Manager?  How do I then reinstall Boot Manager?  Will it automatically
> install in the primary C drive which presently contains Win95?  Am I
> apt to loose my Win 311 primary partition?
> I guess the question is "how do I proceed to reinstall Win95 (ugh)
> without affecting any of the other partitions (including boot manager)
> and especially OS2"?
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Willard

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                18-Sep-99 11:16:28
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: New angle on RA

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

When I set up NS/2 4.61 it took its "que" from the old setup and Real Audio
has
worked OK.  Until yesterday, when I found a site with ONLY an RM file.  No RA,
RAM or RPM.  All it does is display its code on the screen.

Is RM code from a post 5.0 version or what.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: egiljmj@ibm.net                                   18-Sep-99 17:23:22
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: Re: StarOFFICE 5.0a

From: Egil J.M. Jahnsen <egiljmj@ibm.net>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:33:18 GMT, Michel A Goyette wrote:

>Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:21:02, derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj a ‚crit:
>
>> Hello Tim.
>> 
>> 17 Sep 99 16:08, you wrote to All:
>> 
>> Which OS/2 ftp servers support resume....
>> 
>> I have noticed a few people stopping by ftp.natureboy.dyn.tj but no
>>  one seems to be d/l anything.... I have adsl, the outbound speed is
>>  about 40-50kb/sec
>> 
>> Is there a problem with the server setup?
>> 
>> The Hethmon Brothers Server was pretty to setup.... hmm I wonder if
>>  it was too easy.
>
>	The provided user/password doesn't work.  ;-)
>
Well, the password seems to work if you use uppercase letters:
user : os2  (lowercase)
passw: OS2  (UPPERCASE)
Anyhow, when connected your access is restricted and you 
can't do anything rather than to log off again. :-<

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               18-Sep-99 14:43:17
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Photo>Graphics free license?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Hi all!

Anyone out there who has got a reply from TrueSpectra with a
registration code for Photo>Graphics 2.02s? I saw the post on WarpCast
and since that reply was an automated message I think my message got
lost, maybe due to Floyd.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: sbaker@pcug.org.au                                18-Sep-99 23:20:19
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Problems with upgraded Lotus Approach 1.1.1?

From: "Shane Baker" <sbaker@pcug.org.au>

Gidday

Has anyone else had problems with Approach after applying the upgrade files? 
I found it almost hung - which caused me to re-install 1.1.

Comments?

TIA

Shane Baker
Canberra - Australia's national capital
_____________________________
sbakerATpcug.org.au - please make the obvious change when replying
Australian Pets newsgroup - aus.pets  <<>>  Australian Dogs Page -
http://www.pcug.org.au/~sbaker/dogs.htm



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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             18-Sep-99 12:51:06
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Re: Photo>Graphics free license?

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

As per the instructions on www.truespectra.com/support.html, I sent a 
message to Support@TrueSpectra.com with "Photo>Graphics Registration 
Key 28934." in the subject. This was a few minutes ago and I haven't 
received a reply yet.

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:43:35, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
> 
> Anyone out there who has got a reply from TrueSpectra with a
> registration code for Photo>Graphics 2.02s? I saw the post on WarpCast
> and since that reply was an automated message I think my message got
> lost, maybe due to Floyd.


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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               18-Sep-99 13:33:09
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Re: StarOFFICE 5.0a

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:21:02, derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj a ‚crit:

> Hello Tim.
> 
> 17 Sep 99 16:08, you wrote to All:
> 
> Which OS/2 ftp servers support resume....
> 
> I have noticed a few people stopping by ftp.natureboy.dyn.tj but no
>  one seems to be d/l anything.... I have adsl, the outbound speed is
>  about 40-50kb/sec
> 
> Is there a problem with the server setup?
> 
> The Hethmon Brothers Server was pretty to setup.... hmm I wonder if
>  it was too easy.

	The provided user/password doesn't work.  ;-)

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              18-Sep-99 14:10:12
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Reinstalling Win95 with OS2

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

I have Win311 on a primary (C) Dos partition and Win95 on a primary
(C) partition on the same hard drive. 
D partition is a logical Dos partition.
E (OS2 Warp 4.0) is an HPFS partition.
I am using OS2 Boot Manager which is the first partition on the
physical drive.

My problem is that Win 95 has become corrupted (not unexpected) and I
must do a reinstall of Win95 from the cdrom.  I don't exactally
remember how I first set this up and how it affected Boot Manager.  If
I proceed with a normal Win 95 installation will it delete Boot
Manager?  How do I then reinstall Boot Manager?  Will it automatically
install in the primary C drive which presently contains Win95?  Am I
apt to loose my Win 311 primary partition?
I guess the question is "how do I proceed to reinstall Win95 (ugh)
without affecting any of the other partitions (including boot manager)
and especially OS2"?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Willard




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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         18-Sep-99 19:39:21
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Lotus Approach

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,

I would like to know how I can prevent 
LotusScript to run when ever I'm using a
Smartmaster, or other .APR files that 
have scripts in it

BTW. the reason I want that is because 
most of those scripts are just screwing 
things up for me instead of helping me

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                18-Sep-99 15:45:25
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:

>We all heard it, Stardock is not allowed to release a new OS/2 client. I and
>many other OS/2 users are very disapointed about this.

I'd like to register my disappointment with something else.

Okay, guys, you're having a total blast bashing Stardock.  Have fun.  Have
lots
of fun.  But the IBM message was NOT a Stardock message.  The IBM message was
that no one, not Stardock, not IBM, not anybody would be doing an OS/2 client.

I fail to see how this makes either a great villian out of Stardock or a hero
out of IBM.  Let's face it.  IBM doesn't want a popular client; they want a
"tons-of-money" business system.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               18-Sep-99 15:08:02
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:
>
> >We all heard it, Stardock is not allowed to release a new OS/2 client. I
and
> >many other OS/2 users are very disapointed about this.
>
> I'd like to register my disappointment with something else.
>
> Okay, guys, you're having a total blast bashing Stardock.  Have fun.  Have
lots
> of fun.  But the IBM message was NOT a Stardock message.  The IBM message
was
> that no one, not Stardock, not IBM, not anybody would be doing an OS/2
client.

That's bogus.  IBM made no such message at all.  Brad Wardell
made the statement.  No IBM official made any such statement.

> I fail to see how this makes either a great villian out of Stardock or a
hero
> out of IBM.  Let's face it.  IBM doesn't want a popular client; they want a
> "tons-of-money" business system.

Which is why they showed Brad Wardell the door and continue TODAY
to release updates, applications and drivers for OS/2 for FREE.  They simply
won't play the game you want and for that, you bash IBM.  You don't
appear to be happy with OS/2 but would YOU be happy with any operating
system?  Not likely.

> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.




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From: fmaskus@spamcop.net                               18-Sep-99 13:29:02
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Cribbage Game?

From: Frank <fmaskus@spamcop.net>

Michael D. Stiler wrote:
> 
> Anybody ever heard of a computerized Cribbage Game available on OS/2?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Mike
> 
> SysDate Consulting Services - "Mind over Data"
> Saratoga and Ryer Island, California
>      --------------------------------
> NRA Lifemember    CPRA Lifemember    Freemason
> Cyclist    Sailor    Diver    Pilot    Bagpiper
> "I'll give up sex before I give up motorcycling!"
> "Bagpipe Spoken Here"
>

Though not native OS/2 these two work fine:

http://www.pacifier.com/~fmaskus/cribbage.zip

Frank.

-- 
*        Frank Maskus  Portland, Oregon           *
*   Homepage: http://www.pacifier.com/~fmaskus/   *
*                                                 *
*        An oxymoron: Knowledgeable AOLers        *

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From: spamonoloawmg@yesic.com                           18-Sep-99 15:58:18
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Back Again/2 v3.00 + Warp 4

From: "andrew g" <spamonoloawmg@yesic.com>

Does Back Again/2 Personal Edition v3.00 work with Warp 4?

Thanks,

andrew


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From: as@sci.fi                                         18-Sep-99 23:42:17
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

hamei@pacbell.net writes:

> In <asn1umzve4.fsf@sci.fi>, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> writes:
> >jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
> > 
> >> 	I just checked out the site, damn, this sounds great!  The source 
> >> is even available, so a plea to Netlabs or some other group to port this 
> >> over to OS/2 (someone else already ported it over to Windows).  
> >
> >Why would a Java app need porting to anything?
> 
> so it could run in less than 40 megabytes of memory perhaps ?

No. I monitored it with Theseus/2, memory consumption was ~6.5M. Other
reasons?

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            18-Sep-99 16:13:00
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

Where can I pick up a copy?  I'll try Hobbes.

In <7s0l0e$3jq$2@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, on 09/18/99 
   at 06:17 PM, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) said:


>	I have to thank Buddy for letting me know about this little  dohicky. 
>Folks, for anyone still running Netscape Navigator 2.02 for  OS/2, I would
>say this is an absolutel *musthave*.  After surfing the net  with this
>baby for a few hours, shutting down Netscape/2 no longer seems  like an
>eternity for me anymore (AMD 5x86/160Mhz with 16 MB of RAM).   Prior to
>using SmartCache it would take Netscape/2 at least four-five  minutes in
>order for it to close.  Now, I use SmartCache in order to do  all the
>caching (I have Netscape's own memory and cache disabled by  setting both
>values to 0).  The caching is handled very well in spite of  it being a
>Java app.  It doesn't suck up too much in resources as far as  I can tell,
>I mean, it is only a 91k zip file.
>	I have it running under Java 1.1.8 + runtime fix.  The 
>instructions weren't too clear on it but you need to setup Netscape to 
>use a proxy (http - http://127.0.0.1 and the value for it set to 8080).  
>The README didn't say anything about that.  As well, what is also cool is 
>that SmartCache also in a way replaces Internet JunkBuster, it too can 
>kill banner adds and cookies as well as a few other features like 
>changing one's referel header and changing one's user agent.  For 
>something that is still considered by the author as beta software (v0.40) 
>it works damn good!



--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 11 
There are 31 Processes with 118 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 6d 22h 34m 24s 15ms.


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From: baerz@yahoo.com                                   17-Sep-99 21:24:02
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: screen snapshot ???

From: baerz@yahoo.com (Pluggy)

Hi , i am a newbie  in OS2 and  i am looking for help to capture the
screen in os2. in a standard format  tif or jpg ...

 Is there something like in windows "print screen key + copy to word"
for example ?

I heard about some utils to capture the screen but thoses ones were
not freeware ..


please help me !! it would be nonsense if no such utils were existing
...


thanks
Pluggy La belle Vie  :)

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               18-Sep-99 15:25:20
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: screen snapshot ???

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Pluggy wrote:

> Hi , i am a newbie  in OS2 and  i am looking for help to capture the
> screen in os2. in a standard format  tif or jpg ...
>
>  Is there something like in windows "print screen key + copy to word"
> for example ?
>
> I heard about some utils to capture the screen but thoses ones were
> not freeware ..
>

There are several.  You can try Gotch, v1.65 which cpatures
either windows, window interiors, parts of the screen or the
whole desktop and saves them to disk or clipboard as a
picture.  Also includes serial capture and batch mode options.
It is here:
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/graphics/scrncapt/gotch165.zip

There are also many others:  Nikon II (same address as
above just change gotch165.zip to nikon214.zip), PMCap v1.14
will capture PM screens (pmcap14.zip), Pounce v1.10 (pounce.zip)
and Print Utility/2 will caputre screens and list files (pu2v15.zip).

Under EWS (IBM Employee Written Software) you can pick up
pmcam2.zip SIZE 155173,  PM CAMERA/2, capture the screen with this
utility

PMView v1.05 is shareware but the screen capture utility
in it works quite well.  It is here:
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/graphics/viewer/pmvw105.zip

Embellish, a product of Dadaware, offers a shareware version
of their product and that shareware version will capture screens.

> please help me !! it would be nonsense if no such utils were existing
> ...

OS/2 has more than 8,000 applications available.

>
> thanks
> Pluggy La belle Vie  :)




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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          18-Sep-99 23:03:19
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Reinstalling Win95 with OS2

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:10:24, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) wrote:

:If
:I proceed with a normal Win 95 installation will it delete Boot
:Manager?

 No, but it will disable it. You can use either a DOS or OS/2 fdisk to reset 
the Boot Manager partition active, or startable, once you've reinstalled 
Win95.

:Will it automatically install in the primary C drive which presently
:contains Win95?

 Use DOS' fdisk to set that particular C: active first. 

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               18-Sep-99 23:29:17
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Back Again/2 v3.00 + Warp 4

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:58:37, "andrew g" <spamonoloawmg@yesic.com> 
wrote:

> Does Back Again/2 Personal Edition v3.00 work with Warp 4?
> 
Sure.  Why  not.  At least the professional version does.

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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               19-Sep-99 01:05:28
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:45:51, lifedata@xxvol.com a ‚crit:

> "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:
> 
> >We all heard it, Stardock is not allowed to release a new OS/2 client. I
and
> >many other OS/2 users are very disapointed about this.
> 
> I'd like to register my disappointment with something else.
> 
> Okay, guys, you're having a total blast bashing Stardock.  Have fun.  Have
lots
> of fun.  But the IBM message was NOT a Stardock message.  The IBM message
was
> that no one, not Stardock, not IBM, not anybody would be doing an OS/2
client.

	I, for my part, haven't seen the IBM message yet, only the one from 
Brad.  From what I read, it only said the IBM wouldn't allow Stardock 
to put out a new client release because that doesn't fit in their 
strategy (for whatever that means).  THAT'S ALL!!!

	Now, if you are in the secret of the gods and know what is their 
strategy, please go on and enlighten us.
 
> I fail to see how this makes either a great villian out of Stardock or a
hero
> out of IBM.  Let's face it.  IBM doesn't want a popular client; they want a
> "tons-of-money" business system.

	If that goes through a popular client, they'll sure get there.  Now, 
for some crystal ball readings...Windows 2000 isn't recommended by 
high respectable analysis society (IDC and alike) and IT and managers 
are usually following their opinions (that's why a lot of people are, 
in part, stuck with Windows), Linux is going through a push but 
configuration is still not for the faint of heart.  I guess between 
those two, OS/2 can have a really good chance due to some killer apps 
entering the arena (StarOffice and alike).  ;-)

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: blackdeath@13softhome.net                         19-Sep-99 00:25:06
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: Communicator Startup Bug

From: blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart Honsberger)

On 31 Aug 1999 22:47:52 +1200, Jeremy Bowen wrote:
>
>Can anyone point me to a reference to the Communicator 4.61 command
>line options. I wish to create Icons on the desktop for different
>users and have it startup using the correct profile.

Try running "netscape /?". It should give you the parameters.

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          18-Sep-99 23:40:02
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:13:00, postmaster@[127.0.0.1] a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> Where can I pick up a copy?  I'll try Hobbes.

The English version is here:
	http://ncic.netmag.cz/apps/nase/smartcache_e.html

The download link is on that page, near the bottom, but read the whole 
thing while you're there.

> 
> In <7s0l0e$3jq$2@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, on 09/18/99 
>    at 06:17 PM, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) said:
> 
> 
> >	I have to thank Buddy for letting me know about this little  dohicky. 

Actually, I'm so amazed it works this well I can't keep it to myself? 
Thanks are to Radim Kolar for writing it and making it available, for free.
(He also supplies the java source, which can be fairly easily adapted if 
you really want to customize it.)

> >Folks, for anyone still running Netscape Navigator 2.02 for  OS/2, I would
> >say this is an absolutel *musthave*.  After surfing the net  with this
> >baby for a few hours, shutting down Netscape/2 no longer seems  like an
> >eternity for me anymore (AMD 5x86/160Mhz with 16 MB of RAM).   Prior to
> >using SmartCache it would take Netscape/2 at least four-five  minutes in
> >order for it to close.  Now, I use SmartCache in order to do  all the
> >caching (I have Netscape's own memory and cache disabled by  setting both
> >values to 0).

Radim recommends setting NS to 0 cache and 1024-2048 K memory. I've tried 
it with both 0 and 2048 and can't yet detect the difference, but I've got a
fast connection and lots of ram and HD capacity.

> >The caching is handled very well in spite of  it being a
> >Java app.  It doesn't suck up too much in resources as far as  I can tell,
> >I mean, it is only a 91k zip file.

This is the best part. Unlike almost every other Java app I've tried, this 
one doesn't get in the way, and doesn't seem to impact the system. But it 
appears to release 10MB of RAM when I shut it off, not anything near 91K. A
second session running for "garbage collection" doesn't take up any further
resources.


> >	I have it running under Java 1.1.8 + runtime fix.  The 
> >instructions weren't too clear on it but you need to setup Netscape to 
> >use a proxy (http - http://127.0.0.1 and the value for it set to 8080).  
> >The README didn't say anything about that.  

It's in there, somewhere, I think, and it also suggests setting the proxy a
different way, which I'm using. 
Set the NS proxy manually to "smart.cache" and port "8080", then add the 
line
	smart.cache   127.0.0.1
to your \MPTN\ETC\HOSTS file. (If you don't have a HOSTS file, make one 
with just the one line.) It's good to have SET USE_HOSTS_FIRST=1 in 
CONFIG.SYS, but I don't think it's mandatory.

> >As well, what is also cool is 
> >that SmartCache also in a way replaces Internet JunkBuster, it too can 
> >kill banner adds and cookies 

And as I mentioned elsewhere I'm building a FAIL.CNF (one of the SmartCache
configuration files) to do as much of this as possible, and it's very 
satisfying to a crank like myself to see all these expensive web sites with
great big gaping holes in them where animated banners and gifs used to 
waste electrons. It can even disable *some* gratuitous java applets.

> >as well as a few other features like 
> >changing one's referrer header and changing one's user agent.  For 
> >something that is still considered by the author as beta software (v0.40) 
> >it works damn good!

I have to think that v.0.40 is one of his cosmic jokes. After all, he's 
copyrighted his "product" in the name of "(c) 1998, Lord Krisna and his 
devotee."

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               19-Sep-99 01:05:29
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: Photo>Graphics free license?

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:17:47, domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard) a 
‚crit:

> On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:52:52, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
> 
> > 1.  Where is the download?
> 
> http://www.truespectra.com/support.html
> 
> > 2.  What is the code?
> 
> Instructions on above mentioned page.

	I emailed them more than 1 week ago...still no answer.  ;-)

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               19-Sep-99 01:06:00
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: StarOFFICE 5.0a

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:23:44, Egil J.M. Jahnsen <egiljmj@ibm.net> a 
‚crit:

> On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:33:18 GMT, Michel A Goyette wrote:
> 
> >Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:21:02, derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj a ‚crit:
> >
> >> Hello Tim.
> >> 
> >> 17 Sep 99 16:08, you wrote to All:
> >> 
> >> Which OS/2 ftp servers support resume....
> >> 
> >> I have noticed a few people stopping by ftp.natureboy.dyn.tj but no
> >>  one seems to be d/l anything.... I have adsl, the outbound speed is
> >>  about 40-50kb/sec
> >> 
> >> Is there a problem with the server setup?
> >> 
> >> The Hethmon Brothers Server was pretty to setup.... hmm I wonder if
> >>  it was too easy.
> >
> >	The provided user/password doesn't work.  ;-)
> >
> Well, the password seems to work if you use uppercase letters:
> user : os2  (lowercase)
> passw: OS2  (UPPERCASE)
> Anyhow, when connected your access is restricted and you 
> can't do anything rather than to log off again. :-<

	Ok, thanks.  However, they only have the english version of it.  :-( 

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: bgoody@ibm.net                                    18-Sep-99 21:04:08
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: Palm Pilot sync problem in Star Office 5.1

From: Brian Goodyear <bgoody@ibm.net>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9-17-99, 9:41:42 PM, cbrey@ibm.net (Carter Brey) wrote regarding
Palm Pilot sync problem in Star Office 5.1:


> Greetings--

> Does anyone else have this problem, and if so, is there a workaround?
> No matter how I set the conduits in Star Schedule, whenever I do a
> HotSync, it resets itself to replace all Pilot files with my local HD
> files. For example, if I enter a new date book event in the Pilot, and
> set Star Schedule's Palm Pilot configuration dialog to synchronize
> Star Schedule with the Pilot (and only "events," not "addresses" or
> "tasks"), then press the HotSync button, it resets itself to replace
> all Palm files (date book, addresses and tasks) with those on my local
> HD. In other words, I can only synchronize in one direction (computer
> to Pilot), and cannot even control which files get replaced. I cannot
> replace the local HD files with those on my Pilot, or synchronize
> them.

> FWIW, the Pilot is a Palm III.

I have had the same problem but the other way around.  It loses the
settings.  If I remember correctly, you have to change the settings to
those you want, close down the program, restart it, check it again and
if you do this enough, it changes, but then when you want to change it
again you have to mess around.

Since I installed the new version from Sum I can't get it to even work
at all.  I use the OS/2 version.  It seems that on other platforms it
works but for me it's decidedly broken.

Brian



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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               18-Sep-99 19:23:24
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Michel A Goyette wrote:

> Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:45:51, lifedata@xxvol.com a ‚crit:
>
> > "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:
> >
> > >We all heard it, Stardock is not allowed to release a new OS/2 client. I
and
> > >many other OS/2 users are very disapointed about this.
> >
> > I'd like to register my disappointment with something else.
> >
> > Okay, guys, you're having a total blast bashing Stardock.  Have fun.  Have 
lots
> > of fun.  But the IBM message was NOT a Stardock message.  The IBM message
was
> > that no one, not Stardock, not IBM, not anybody would be doing an OS/2
client.
>
>         I, for my part, haven't seen the IBM message yet, only the one from
> Brad.

There is not message from IBM.  NONE.  All this "OS/2 is dead"
information is being generated by no one but Brad Wardell.

> From what I read, it only said the IBM wouldn't allow Stardock
> to put out a new client release because that doesn't fit in their
> strategy (for whatever that means).  THAT'S ALL!!!

You may have missed it but in Brad's message he apparently
feels he has the right to speak for IBM because he says, "IBM
has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2 based
client of their own."  It is this statement that is giving rise to
the "OS/2 is dead" headlines now appearing at so many OS/2
news sites.  Rather than question the source of the statement
(as having no right to speak for IBM) they are running with it
as gospel.  Afterall, Brad Wardell, KING of OS/2, has said so.

Won't someone PUH leeease pull back the curtain and see that
the King is wearing NT and producing software for Microsoft
systems only?  Are they all that blind and stupid?

>         Now, if you are in the secret of the gods and know what is their
> strategy, please go on and enlighten us.
>
> > I fail to see how this makes either a great villian out of Stardock or a
hero
> > out of IBM.  Let's face it.  IBM doesn't want a popular client; they want
a
> > "tons-of-money" business system.
>
>         If that goes through a popular client, they'll sure get there.  Now,
> for some crystal ball readings...Windows 2000 isn't recommended by
> high respectable analysis society (IDC and alike) and IT and managers
> are usually following their opinions (that's why a lot of people are,
> in part, stuck with Windows), Linux is going through a push but
> configuration is still not for the faint of heart.  I guess between
> those two, OS/2 can have a really good chance due to some killer apps
> entering the arena (StarOffice and alike).  ;-)
>
> Salut,
>
>         Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
>         ICQ #13376913
>         http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

You got it!  OS/2 continues to be THE Killer OS today.  No other
desktop operating system on the market today can equal the
power, stability and quality of OS/2.  NONE!

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"




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From: fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com                        19-Sep-99 02:31:22
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: Back Again/2 v3.00 + Warp 4

From: fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com

In <njztlrfvppbz.fi9u5p0.pminews@news.yesic.com>, "andrew g"
<spamonoloawmg@yesic.com> writes:
>Does Back Again/2 Personal Edition v3.00 work with Warp 4?
>
>Thanks,
>
>andrew
>
>
Kind of.  I have never been able to do anything but a 
command line restore.  None of the updates improved
the situation.  I gave up and went to Driveimage from PowerQuest.

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From: HernsModestil@Technologist.com                    19-Sep-99 02:47:02
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: HernsModestil@Technologist.com

I'd interested either way. 

We've gota do what we gota do. 

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From: dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org                     19-Sep-99 05:10:16
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: "Darin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org>

On 18 Sep 1999 14:36:18 GMT, Jerry Prather wrote:

>Well, I didn't have that statement, so I added it and
>rebooted.  Same problem  here are the current responses:
>
>Not logged on:
>
>[D:\]ping localhost
>ping: unknown host localhost

Make sure you have the following line in your %etc%\hosts file:

127.0.0.1             localhost


---
Disclaimer: unless explicitly mentioned otherwise, I do not speak
for the company I work for.



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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 19-Sep-99 12:30:05
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

Craig Benbow <benbowc@ibm.net> wrote:

>What is required is a deliberately targeted campaign to convince IBM to
update the
>client.

Yes, and we need to present to IBM as a large group, not a disparete
bunch of whining users.

For instance, Warp 4.5 usable as a client (although large) already
exists.  It is the basis for Warp Server for e-Business and the
foundation to which all the server components of that package work
through.

If the Bank of Brasil, or the German reserve bank ring up Lou Gerstner
and say 'Lou, would you mind if we replace all our Warp 4 clients with
Warp4.5 and pay you an upgrade fee for those existing seats, and a
whole new licence fee for new seats' what do you think the answer
would be?

'Nah, we don't need to make 10 million this month, but thanks anyway'
??

I doubt it.  I'm going to ask my IBM rep on Monday her feelings on
exactly this issue.  If I install WSeB would they have any major
objections to me using Warp 4.5 as the client?  There probably will be
objections, but then, I'm small fry (I'll ask anyway).

The OS/2 community needs to get behind one of the high profile lobby
groups that already exist and put their money where their mouth is.
This needs to be a serious effort however.  Don't front IBM and ask
what their opinion would be if asked to provide Warp Client 4.5 to 20
users.  Ask them, quite bluntly, to supply 20,000 copies of Warp
Client 4.5, and when they say 'yes' have the money ready (lets see,
20,000 x AU$300 approx per client = AU$6Mill. - about US$3.9Mill).

This idea is not new, in fact its been bouncing off the walls of
usenet and other places for about a year.  But ideas are worth nothing
without a financial backing.  

When an enterprise goes to a supplier like IBM trying to make a deal
for something, they (generally) have money to back them up.  Talking
'potential' sales to an enterprise focused sales team will get you
nowhere.  They must know that should a deal be organised the money
will be forthcoming...now...not in dribs and drabs over the next five
years.

Those who have had a look at WSeB know that it would take almost no
effort at all to strip out the server component, and package the
client part of Warp 4.5.  Seriously!  Strip out the server options
from the install REXX script, remove the stuff from the CD and boom,
you have it.  

What IBM most definately does not want to entertain is being held to
account by literally thousands of tiny organisations or worse single
users.  Its simply not worth their while.  Huge companies have their
own IT support staff, and even better, buy large value support
agreements from IBM.  Its all about money folks, dont fight it.

We all need to take a deep breath right now and think corporate.
Forget paying US$100 for a client, lets start at something like
US$300.  Any idea what something like SCO Unix costs?  Yep AU$3000.00
a shot.  When you're in a minority you simply have to pay through the
nose as economies of scale are not realised with small user bases.

IBM would get their share of the US$300 per client (I've no real idea
of what a business partner pays for a Warp4 licence...$100??), the
rest to a community formed company with support staff and sales staff
and whatnot.  They would present to IBM like a homogeneous enterprise
corporation with 10-15 thousand seats (at least).  Everyone from users
to businesses smaller than fortune 500 could work through such an
organisation for support, sales etc.

Its now bluff calling time.  If what we, as a community, really want
is a free OS, supported for free, for the rest of time then we are
going to die, and whats more we deserve what we get.  If all the chest
beaters out there are just making noise, well, fine, but if it all
amounts to no money, we as a community will probably last until about
2002 the final support date for Warp4.  In the mean time all ISV's
will vanish.  ISV's even now have a hard time trying to make a roadmap
of the future, even through the next 2 years!

My own view is that IBM is probably willing to let OS/2 die as natural
death.  Its up to us to make sure this doesnt happen and the only way
to do that is to present IBM with a continuous revenue stream - money
guys n gals.

Has anyone thought of basically copying IBM's sales adventure as
regarding Software Choice?  What a central organising corporation,
working on behalf of the worldwide community of OS/2 users needs most
is cash.  Users could perhaps pay a subscription to the OS/2 company,
not an insubstantial pocket change type of affair, but real money
US$300-400 per year.  For this, they could perhaps gain access to
selected OS/2 applications licences, revenue based on licences could
then be fed back to the ISV's concerned in big fat quarterly chunks. 

Small potatoes compared with the windows market?  You bet, but I'd
think probably a lot larger than most are currently getting through
the OS/2 shareware world.

How about a Credit Union type of set up?  (I'm brainstorming here),
whereby those diehard OS/2 users who really care, and care enough to
front money, provide the startup capital for the OS/2 corporation via
the purchase of shares?  Those with the most shares have the most
votes etc etc.  You don't get access to the 'union' until you buy at
least one parcel of shares..this type of thing.  You want access to
Warp Client 4.5 as well as a swag of other OS/2 apps?  Fine, buy into
OS/2 Corporation, then as a member, you have access to all this fine
software at corporate rates.  Big bucks?  You bet, I'd imagine, in all
reality, if all you want is Warp Client 4.5 its gonna cost you US$600+
(remember we would need to buy the software -and- support the
underlying corporate structure...help staff, adminstrators etc).  Per
software pricing would get a lot better should you wish to partake in
the purchase of several packages.

The crunch in all schemes of this type, and I've been watching with
interest for over a year, is that someone, and in fact a -lot- of
someones, has to make the first move.  A OS/2 corporation such as
thing can only be a success if it is large, and I mean that in IBM
terms.

The underlying theme is that at no time does IBM receive a call from a
disgruntled user who cant get his 'dial other internet providers'
working.  All this user support is handled by OS/2 Corporation paid
support staff.

If this sort of money is viewed as unrealistic, then my opinion is
that our requests for continued support from IBM is also unrealistic
and OS/2 will in fact die...slowly and horribly.


Craig

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From: rob@schroeder.net                                 19-Sep-99 10:10:10
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: rob@schroeder.net (Robert Schroeder)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:17:50, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)
wrote:

[SmartCache]

> For something that is still considered by the author as beta software
(v0.40) 
> it works damn good!

That's my impression, too; I'm running it on a server that connects a 
small LAN to the internet and it not only works good but is really fast 
as well, even though its a Java application (VIO mode), and that's an 
old K5-166 with far too little RAM for what's running (80 MB). I think 
it's just the kind of software that Java itself needs to become more 
widely accepted and used.

Cheers,
Rob

-- 
Robert Schroeder <rob@schroeder.net>

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From: rob@schroeder.net                                 19-Sep-99 10:12:16
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Re: Photo>Graphics free license?

From: rob@schroeder.net (Robert Schroeder)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:43:35, Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

> Anyone out there who has got a reply from TrueSpectra with a
> registration code for Photo>Graphics 2.02s? 

Beside the registration code, is there still a way to get the software 
itself?

Cheers,
Rob

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From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com                           19-Sep-99 12:54:24
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Re: Photo>Graphics free license?

From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com (George Czerw)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:12:32, rob@schroeder.net (Robert Schroeder) 
wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:43:35, Christian Hennecke 
> <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
> 
> > Anyone out there who has got a reply from TrueSpectra with a
> > registration code for Photo>Graphics 2.02s? 
> 
> Beside the registration code, is there still a way to get the software 
> itself?
> 
> Cheers,
> Rob


The software can still be downloaded directly from their WEB site:

http://www.truespectra.com/support.html


George

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    19-Sep-99 15:08:29
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:53:35, prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather) wrote:

> :>Make sure you have the following line in your %etc%\hosts file:
> :>
> :>127.0.0.1             localhost
> 
> It's there in X:\MPTN\ETC\hosts

Just type SET ETC at a command prompt and make sure that describes the
right drive and directory...

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: prather@infi.net                                  19-Sep-99 15:26:04
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

In message
<176uZD2KcidF-pn2-XHKKIxJq87fN@man-060.dialup.zetnet.co.uk> -
rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) writes:
:>
:>On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:53:35, prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather) wrote:
:>
:>> :>Make sure you have the following line in your %etc%\hosts file:
:>> :>
:>> :>127.0.0.1             localhost
:>> 
:>> It's there in X:\MPTN\ETC\hosts
:>
:>Just type SET ETC at a command prompt and make sure that describes the
:>right drive and directory...

Yep, it does that just fine.  Thanks for the input.


Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net

"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
					- Me (circa 1998)

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From: prather@infi.net                                  19-Sep-99 15:24:04
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

In message <c1.2b5.2SDz29$091@geocities.com> -
jpedone_no_spam@flash.net writes:
:>
:>Here's mine:
:>
:>127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255    6      169  UH       0  lo
:>
:>Loopback should be set for 127.0.0.1 not 127.0.0.0 

Everytime I've been asked, I've entered 127.0.0.1.  I don't know
where it's getting 127.0.0.1.

:>(127.0.0.0 would 
:>be the broadcast address) also the netmask should be 255.255.255.255 not 
:>255.0.0.0 (255.0.0.0 would not mask any 127.x.x.x addresses which 
:>would send them out for resolution instead of resolving them 
:>locally.)  Plus loopback is normally not lan0 - it should be lo.
:>
:>Make sure you have:
:>
:>run=x:\mptn\bin\ifconfig.exe lo 127.0.0.1
:>
:>In config.sys

I didn't have anything like this in config.sys or MPTN.  I added
it to config.sys as per your recommendation, but on reboot the
boot hung on that line and reported: "socket: Network is down". 
Hmm, of course it's down - it doesn't exist.  This is a
stand-alone machine.  And of course, after completing the bootup,
I still get the socket error when I try to view the sample
database.

Thanks for your assistance,


Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net

"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
					- Me (circa 1998)

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 19-Sep-99 12:40:05
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette) said: > From
what
>I read, it only said the IBM wouldn't allow Stardock 
>>to put out a new client release because that doesn't fit in their  strategy
>>(for whatever that means).  THAT'S ALL!!!
>
>I quote:
>
>>>The call has been made -- there will be no new client from Stardock 
>>>and IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2 based 
>>>client of their own.
>
>Note the wording:  "IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2
based 
>client of their own."

Even if you don't consider the significantly unreliable
source, in press-release speak this means nothing.  IBM
speaks, or not, for itself. 

Or if you prefer, it means "IBM hasn't said anything about a
Warp5 client in two years."  Or it might mean, "When I asked
the guy in the brown suit if the reason they weren't going
to give it to me was because they were bringing one out
themselves, he shrugged and picked his nose."  (IMO what it 
means is, "Hey all you OS/2 fans, IBM sucks but we at
Stardock are great, we did our best and got a lot of
publicity.")

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               19-Sep-99 10:26:06
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Please see my response to your private email.
I would like to ask that those of you responding
to public postings do so publicly NOT privately.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

Craig Benbow wrote:

> For cripes sakes Tim keep your hair on.  It is only an OS after all and
bagging anyone
> is pointless.
>
> What is required is a deliberately targeted campaign to convince IBM to
update the
> client.  Note I say update.  We don't need a new OS we need an enhaced
version of what
> we have now.  This will take time and therefore a lot of patience.  I also
see the work
> of Netlabs to be crucial to the whole process and we all need to help at the 
grass
> roots level with advocacy.  If you or anyone else has a problem with helping 
to line
> IBM's pockets then get out of the game because that is all IBM stock holders 
have an
> interest in.
> Have a coffee then get down to what we all do best, maintaining and
enhancing OS/2's
> reputation worldwide.
>
> Bottoms up
>
> Craig
>

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               19-Sep-99 10:48:05
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette) said: > From
what
> I read, it only said the IBM wouldn't allow Stardock
> >to put out a new client release because that doesn't fit in their  strategy
> >(for whatever that means).  THAT'S ALL!!!
>
> I quote:
>
> >>The call has been made -- there will be no new client from Stardock
> >>and IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2 based
> >>client of their own.
>
> Note the wording:  "IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2
based
> client of their own."
>
> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.

And please note:  It is written by Brad Wardell.  It is not an
official statement by IBM.  What constitutes "indicated" in
Brad's mind means nothing in the real world.  ZDNet and
Mary Jo Folly "indicated" OS/2 was dead years ago yet I
still use it, IBM still updates it and I still get new applications
to run on it.

IBM has no made official statement regarding the death of
OS/2 or eventual release of a Warp 5 client.  NONE.  What
they have said is that they have no plans to release a Warp
5 client this year.  It took three years after Warp 3 for the
release of Warp 4.  Warp 4 is just two years old and still
outperforms anything Microsoft is offering todate.

For all of those who believe there will never be a Warp 5
client take faith, there is every likelihood IBM will release
a Warp 5 AFTER the year 2000.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               19-Sep-99 11:10:05
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Bob Stan wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:48:10 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
>
> >And please note:  It is written by Brad Wardell.  It is not an
> >official statement by IBM.  What constitutes "indicated" in
> >Brad's mind means nothing in the real world.  ZDNet and
> >Mary Jo Folly "indicated" OS/2 was dead years ago yet I
> >still use it, IBM still updates it and I still get new applications
> >to run on it.
> >
> >IBM has no made official statement regarding the death of
> >OS/2 or eventual release of a Warp 5 client.  NONE.  What
> >they have said is that they have no plans to release a Warp
> >5 client this year.  It took three years after Warp 3 for the
> >release of Warp 4.  Warp 4 is just two years old and still
> >outperforms anything Microsoft is offering todate.
> >
> >For all of those who believe there will never be a Warp 5
> >client take faith, there is every likelihood IBM will release
> >a Warp 5 AFTER the year 2000.
>
> I have no vested interest in Stardock or IBM.  However, seeing as Brad and
> Stardock were involved in this attempt over a period of time, including face
> to face meetings with the upper echelons of IBM, I am inclined to accept his
> appraisal.

And yet an IBM official attending Warp Expo West
stated publicly yesterday that no such meeting
took place - and he should know, he is on the
committee.   He said it was cancelled due to travel
problems.  He also said Brad was wrong.  AND he
said IBM has made no decision on whether or not
they will release a Warp 5 client 'this year'.

Stardock has a vested financial interest in all this
free publicity.  Brad does not and cannot speak for IBM.

> I wish there would be a new client, but I think it unlikely.

And I see the glass as half full.  I say there will be a
Warp 5 client.  Just not in 1999.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"




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From: rsstan@ibm.net                                    19-Sep-99 14:01:15
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Bob Stan" <rsstan@ibm.net>

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:48:10 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:

>And please note:  It is written by Brad Wardell.  It is not an
>official statement by IBM.  What constitutes "indicated" in
>Brad's mind means nothing in the real world.  ZDNet and
>Mary Jo Folly "indicated" OS/2 was dead years ago yet I
>still use it, IBM still updates it and I still get new applications
>to run on it.
>
>IBM has no made official statement regarding the death of
>OS/2 or eventual release of a Warp 5 client.  NONE.  What
>they have said is that they have no plans to release a Warp
>5 client this year.  It took three years after Warp 3 for the
>release of Warp 4.  Warp 4 is just two years old and still
>outperforms anything Microsoft is offering todate.
>
>For all of those who believe there will never be a Warp 5
>client take faith, there is every likelihood IBM will release
>a Warp 5 AFTER the year 2000.

I have no vested interest in Stardock or IBM.  However, seeing as Brad and
Stardock were involved in this attempt over a period of time, including face
to face meetings with the upper echelons of IBM, I am inclined to accept his
appraisal.

I wish there would be a new client, but I think it unlikely.  


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From: prather@infi.net                                  19-Sep-99 19:28:10
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: prather@infi.net (Jerry Prather)

In message <c1.2b5.2SFKR7$092@geocities.com> -
jpedone_no_spam@flash.net writes:
:>
[Old stuff snipped...]

:>Curious - do you mean the file x:\mptn\bin\ifconfig.exe does not exist? 

That file is there.

:>If this is the case I would suggest you have an incomplete tpcip and or 
:>mptn installation and should remove/reinstall them.  Are you able to get
:>into the TCP/IP notebook?

I get the notebook screen, but the notebook is totally greyed
out.  I agree that I probably have an installation problem.  My
problem is likely that I don't know which options to select or
have a feel for what information is being asked for.  Are there
some instructions you can point to?

:>The start-up is rather convoluted (IMO) - in config.sys you should have 
:>line like:
:>
:>CALL=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE /Q /C E:\MPTN\BIN\MPTSTART.CMD >NUL


I don't have anything like this in my Config.sys...

:>Which - if the network is down should call:
:>
:>E:\MPTN\BIN\SETUP.CMD
:>
:>Which contains:
:>
:>route -fh
:>arp -f
:>ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
:>ifconfig lan0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
:>...
:>ipgate off

Mine is a bit different.  It has:
route -fh
arp -f
ifconfig lan0 127.0.0.1 netmask 0.0.0.0 metric 0 mtu 1500 

which, compared to yours, looks like the installation was
incomplete.

:>The first two commands flush the routing tables and the next two make 
:>them again.  The third line configures lo (the loopback).  The last line
:>(ipgate) turns off ip forwarding if you don't have a router.
:>
:>Again - you need to get into the TCPIP notebook.  There's about a 
:>gizillion files that configure all of this stuff.  The notebook brings 
:>them all together into one place.
:>
:>To save some reboots, I would suggest doing this:
:>
:>run: tcpstart.cmd ,look for errors
:>run: mptnstart.cmd ,look for errors
:>run: route -fh ,look for errors
:>run: arp -f ,look for errors
:>run: ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 ,look for errors
:>
:>Run all of these from a root directory (like c:\) to check
:>you path statement.  If the system can't find the files, your path may 
:>be bad or the files may be missing.
:>
:>Let us know what outputs you get from all of this.

(1) tcpstart yields:
CONFIGURING TCP/IP ....
See if install cleanup needed.
.... FINISHED CONFIGURING TCP/IP
STARTING THE TCP/IP PROCESSES .....
.... FINISHED STARTING THE TCP/IP PROCESSES
....  EXITING TCPSTART.CMD  .....

(2) There is no mptnstart.cmd.  I suppose you meean mptstart.cmd.
 Running this, the machine works for a few seconds and returns to
the boot prompt (D:\ on my machine) without printing anything.

(3) route -fh quickly returns D:\ without printing any errors or
info.

(4) arp -f does the same as (3).

(5) ifconfig l0 127.0.0.1 does the same as (3) and (4) - no
errors, no info.

:>J. Pedone
:>jpedone@flash.net
:>http://www.flash.net/~jpedone

I greatly appreciate your interest and assistance.  People like
you are one of the reasons for sticking with OS/2.  Standing by
to reinstall [I think]<G>.


Jerry Prather                    prather@infi.net

"Many religions are worth dying for; no religion is worth killing
for."
					- Me (circa 1998)

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          19-Sep-99 20:12:00
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I really haven't seen anyone blast Brad or Stardock because a few
d*ckheads in expensive suits at IBM have sh*t for brains.

Insert your favourite vowel for the * in the message. Maybe it's an "i"

:-) 

Cheers 'n too much to drink

Wayne


On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:05:57 GMT, Michel A Goyette wrote:

:>Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:45:51, lifedata@xxvol.com a Úcrit:
:>
:>> "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:
:>> 
:>> >We all heard it, Stardock is not allowed to release a new OS/2 client. I
and
:>> >many other OS/2 users are very disapointed about this.
:>> 
:>> I'd like to register my disappointment with something else.
:>> 
:>> Okay, guys, you're having a total blast bashing Stardock.  Have fun.  Have 
lots
:>> of fun.  But the IBM message was NOT a Stardock message.  The IBM message
was
:>> that no one, not Stardock, not IBM, not anybody would be doing an OS/2
client.
******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
******************************************************



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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                19-Sep-99 11:51:07
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette) said: > From
what
I read, it only said the IBM wouldn't allow Stardock 
>to put out a new client release because that doesn't fit in their  strategy
>(for whatever that means).  THAT'S ALL!!!

I quote:

>>The call has been made -- there will be no new client from Stardock 
>>and IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2 based 
>>client of their own.

Note the wording:  "IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2
based 
client of their own."

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: benbowc@ibm.net                                   19-Sep-99 20:34:25
  To: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 00:54:18
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

To: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>
From: Craig Benbow <benbowc@ibm.net>

For cripes sakes Tim keep your hair on.  It is only an OS after all and
bagging anyone
is pointless.

What is required is a deliberately targeted campaign to convince IBM to update 
the
client.  Note I say update.  We don't need a new OS we need an enhaced version 
of what
we have now.  This will take time and therefore a lot of patience.  I also see 
the work
of Netlabs to be crucial to the whole process and we all need to help at the
grass
roots level with advocacy.  If you or anyone else has a problem with helping
to line
IBM's pockets then get out of the game because that is all IBM stock holders
have an
interest in.
Have a coffee then get down to what we all do best, maintaining and enhancing
OS/2's
reputation worldwide.

Bottoms up

Craig

Tim Martin wrote:

> Michel A Goyette wrote:
>
> > Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:45:51, lifedata@xxvol.com a ‚crit:
> >
> > > "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> said:
> > >
> > > >We all heard it, Stardock is not allowed to release a new OS/2 client.
I and
> > > >many other OS/2 users are very disapointed about this.
> > >
> > > I'd like to register my disappointment with something else.
> > >
> > > Okay, guys, you're having a total blast bashing Stardock.  Have fun. 
Have lots
> > > of fun.  But the IBM message was NOT a Stardock message.  The IBM
message was
> > > that no one, not Stardock, not IBM, not anybody would be doing an OS/2
client.
> >
> >         I, for my part, haven't seen the IBM message yet, only the one
from
> > Brad.
>
> There is not message from IBM.  NONE.  All this "OS/2 is dead"
> information is being generated by no one but Brad Wardell.
>
> > From what I read, it only said the IBM wouldn't allow Stardock
> > to put out a new client release because that doesn't fit in their
> > strategy (for whatever that means).  THAT'S ALL!!!
>
> You may have missed it but in Brad's message he apparently
> feels he has the right to speak for IBM because he says, "IBM
> has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2 based
> client of their own."  It is this statement that is giving rise to
> the "OS/2 is dead" headlines now appearing at so many OS/2
> news sites.  Rather than question the source of the statement
> (as having no right to speak for IBM) they are running with it
> as gospel.  Afterall, Brad Wardell, KING of OS/2, has said so.
>
> Won't someone PUH leeease pull back the curtain and see that
> the King is wearing NT and producing software for Microsoft
> systems only?  Are they all that blind and stupid?
>
> >         Now, if you are in the secret of the gods and know what is their
> > strategy, please go on and enlighten us.
> >
> > > I fail to see how this makes either a great villian out of Stardock or a 
hero
> > > out of IBM.  Let's face it.  IBM doesn't want a popular client; they
want a
> > > "tons-of-money" business system.
> >
> >         If that goes through a popular client, they'll sure get there. 
Now,
> > for some crystal ball readings...Windows 2000 isn't recommended by
> > high respectable analysis society (IDC and alike) and IT and managers
> > are usually following their opinions (that's why a lot of people are,
> > in part, stuck with Windows), Linux is going through a push but
> > configuration is still not for the faint of heart.  I guess between
> > those two, OS/2 can have a really good chance due to some killer apps
> > entering the arena (StarOffice and alike).  ;-)
> >
> > Salut,
> >
> >         Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
> >         ICQ #13376913
> >         http://pages.infinit.net/exovede
>
> You got it!  OS/2 continues to be THE Killer OS today.  No other
> desktop operating system on the market today can equal the
> power, stability and quality of OS/2.  NONE!
>
> Tim Martin
> The OS/2 Guy
> Warp City
> http://warpcity.com
> "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 19-Sep-99 08:26:19
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:18
Subj: Re: LinkWiz

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:42:20, News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de 
Bruijn) wrote:

> It worked for me just now. But the page
> was a testpage proving that the (new) install
> of Mandrake / Apache on Linux is working now.
>
 
Yes I have seen this message. But it don't seem to have anything to do
with LinkWiz and PCX. It looks, to me, like a message from the ISP 
that PCX is using. Perhaps this message is automatically put up, when 
someone try to address an non-existing URL at that ISP.

Jan

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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             19-Sep-99 08:18:23
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:18
Subj: Re: How do you install fixpack 41 w/Warp 3?

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:43:35, goldv <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> 
> Anyone knows why this is happening? Is there a file that has to be
> removed, which was generated as a result of my unsuccessful first
> attempt to apply the fixpack?

FP41 is for Warp Server only. It will check your syslevel.os2 and 
won't install if it's Warp 3 red/blue/Connect. Instructions on how to 
edit syslevel.os2 were posted once month ago on comp.os.os2.utilities.

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From: waugh@wcc.govt.nz                                 19-Sep-99 21:02:24
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:18
Subj: Re: WTB - scsi dat tape backup software

From: "Kevin Waugh" <waugh@wcc.govt.nz>

You could try GNU TAR. I use it in os/2 and would be suprised if there was
no winxx version.
elmar schmeisser wrote in message <37DCF315.F523585D@tasc.com>...
>Good morning, assembled guru's:



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From: jan.hartman@fil.lu.se                             19-Sep-99 11:04:14
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:18
Subj: Re: Which printer? 

From: "Jan Hartman" <jan.hartman@fil.lu.se>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:22:12 +0100 (MEZ), Andreas Ludwig wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:58:37 -0600, Carlos Enrique Le Mare Concha wrote:
>
>Hi all!
>
>GhostScript and GSView work satisfiimgly for me. But which PS-Printer are you
>using? I usually end up with huge files (30 pages term paper I wanted to
>publish - 40 (fourty!!) MB Postscript) Printed with StarOffice - perhaps
>thats the culprit?!
>
>40 MB PS file means PDF file of the same size... not really nice for internet
>publishing. Most of all if I think of the 2.8 MB file with the hundreds of
>pages of our University's lecture and personell table (? sorry for my
>english).
>
>regards
>
>
>Andreas
>
>
>

Strange. I have a book >200 pages, and the .ps and .pdf files are
not more than 5 mb. I have tried different .ps drivers, and different
relolutions. This is with a HP 4000, and 600 dpi on both the .ps and
.pdf
files.

/ Jan Hartman
===================================================
Jan Hartman
Filosofiska institutionen/Department of Philosophy
Lunds Universitet/Lund University                                       
Kungshuset, Lundag†rd                                  +46-(0)46 2223253
S-222 22 Lund                                              fax +46-(0)46
2224424
Sweden
E-mail: Jan.Hartman@fil.lu.se


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From: maths@cix.compulink.co.uk                         19-Sep-99 17:51:00
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:18
Subj: Re: Cribbage Game?

From: maths@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Mather)

In article <37E2CBA3.33EEC56A@primenet.com>, djlamb@primenet.com (Don) 
wrote:

> 
> 
> "Michael D. Stiler" wrote:
> 
> > Anybody ever heard of a computerized Cribbage Game available on OS/2?
> >
> 
> Have looked for about 5 years or so and just can't find one.  I had a
> windows version that worked well with an earlier version of OS/2 but I
> lost it somewhere and have never been able to find it again!  If you 
> find
> something; please let me know!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 

I haven't tried it under OS/2 but Yahoo have an online cribbage at 
http://games.yahoo.com which is Java running in a browser.  Any use?


David

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From: sctvguy@netcenter.net                             19-Sep-99 07:34:14
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:18
Subj: Re: How do you install fixpack 41 w/Warp 3?

From: Bob Grimes <sctvguy@netcenter.net>

This happened to me, Warp Connect, until I read that this fixpack is
only for Warp Server and will not install on regular Warp 3 or Connect. 
However, there are some people out there who have got it to install by
hacking the binary code, above my technical level.

goldv wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just installed OS/2 Warp 3. Tried to apply Fixpack 41 from the hard
> drive, but I forgot to DIUNPACK them.  I screwed up.
> 
> Figured out how to unpack the fixpacks using DIUNPACK.EXE with the -d
> extension to a directory on the drive that contains Warp 3. Unzipped
> FASTKICK.ZIP to that directory also.
> 
> Typed "Fix,"  which generated a few steps of the the service routine,
> but after a few seconds I get the error message: "No products were found
> on the target system to service."
> 
> Anyone knows why this is happening? Is there a file that has to be
> removed, which was generated as a result of my unsuccessful first
> attempt to apply the fixpack?
> 
> Thank you.

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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               19-Sep-99 20:29:13
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:51:15, lifedata@xxvol.com a ‚crit:

> Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette) said: > From
what
> I read, it only said the IBM wouldn't allow Stardock 
> >to put out a new client release because that doesn't fit in their  strategy
> >(for whatever that means).  THAT'S ALL!!!
> 
> I quote:
> 
> >>The call has been made -- there will be no new client from Stardock 
> >>and IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2 based 
> >>client of their own.
> 
> Note the wording:  "IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2
based 
> client of their own."

	Yes, I saw this post from Brad.  However, I haven't seen the IBM 
official stands on this.

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: rob@schroeder.net                                 19-Sep-99 20:35:16
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: rob@schroeder.net (Robert Schroeder)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:40:05, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
wrote:

> > >The caching is handled very well in spite of  it being a
> > >Java app.  It doesn't suck up too much in resources as far as  I can
tell,
> > >I mean, it is only a 91k zip file.
> 
> This is the best part. Unlike almost every other Java app I've tried, this 
> one doesn't get in the way, and doesn't seem to impact the system. But it 
> appears to release 10MB of RAM when I shut it off, not anything near 91K. A
> second session running for "garbage collection" doesn't take up any further
> resources.

Of course SmartCache needs some significant amount of RAM to work 
efficiently, in addition to it's own code size, but I think a lot of the
10MB are the Java runtime itself which unloads itself after you've 
exited SmartCache.

Cheers, Rob

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             19-Sep-99 22:12:23
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: jsjones@selectric.net

Good idea and there are already such organizations in existence: the several 
non-profit large OS/2 user groups, such as POSSI, SCOUG, etc. Either
individually or 
as a joint venture, such groups could buy special licenses of WSEB 4.5 and 
redistribute a client version to members, only. Apple has somewhat similar 
agreements with user groups to distribute certain older software (at no
charge).

This could be *much* better than the present and historical situation. User
groups 
(UGs) are much better situated to provide support than a megacorp. IBM could 
provide better bug fixes faster and cheaper if reports were funneled through a 

few UG contacts. Increased revenues from sales and membership fees could allow 

UGs to fund ISVs. I've long hoped a group of sharp WPS and device driver 
programmers would join together and form team -- called Portsmiths Group, or
such -- 
-- to port other-platform applications and devices to OS/2. With salaries or
retainers 
from UGs, good programmers wouldn't have to face shareware starvation to do 
OS/2 work. Such a team could also contract with mainstream vendors to produce 
(good) OS/2 versions, with little risk and overhead. And, so on...

If IBM were to take this route, they could serve their existing customer base
and 
hedge their bets on NT in case the courts have the courage to call naked naked 

and in some substantive way break up the emperor's monopoly. And, they could 
do so without granting an OS/2 monopoly to any one commercial concern.

Any UGs up to this task?

In <37e4cbfb.1002326@news.omen.net.au>, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) writes:
>How about a Credit Union type of set up?  (I'm brainstorming here),
>whereby those diehard OS/2 users who really care, and care enough to
>front money, provide the startup capital for the OS/2 corporation via
>the purchase of shares?  Those with the most shares have the most
>votes etc etc.  You don't get access to the 'union' until you buy at
>least one parcel of shares..this type of thing.  You want access to
>Warp Client 4.5 as well as a swag of other OS/2 apps?  Fine, buy into
>OS/2 Corporation, then as a member, you have access to all this fine
>software at corporate rates.  Big bucks?  You bet, I'd imagine, in all
>reality, if all you want is Warp Client 4.5 its gonna cost you US$600+
>(remember we would need to buy the software -and- support the
>underlying corporate structure...help staff, adminstrators etc).  Per
>software pricing would get a lot better should you wish to partake in
>the purchase of several packages.
>
>The crunch in all schemes of this type, and I've been watching with
>interest for over a year, is that someone, and in fact a -lot- of
>someones, has to make the first move.  A OS/2 corporation such as
>thing can only be a success if it is large, and I mean that in IBM
>terms.
>
>The underlying theme is that at no time does IBM receive a call from a
>disgruntled user who cant get his 'dial other internet providers'
>working.  All this user support is handled by OS/2 Corporation paid
>support staff.
>
>If this sort of money is viewed as unrealistic, then my opinion is
>that our requests for continued support from IBM is also unrealistic
>and OS/2 will in fact die...slowly and horribly.

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: conscious@my-deja.com                             19-Sep-99 06:48:10
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: SearchManager/2 Price

From: conscious@my-deja.com

In article <09990811234101.OUI08.nospam@nowhere.com>,
  nospam@nowhere.com wrote:
> Does anyone know how much IBM charges for this program - US Funds ?
> Is it the best file indexing program for OS/2 ?
>
> --
> Patrick nospam@nowhere.com
> 09/11/99 23:42
> [ Standard Disclaimer ]
>
>
I don't know how $much it is now.  It works well for me.

Try http://www.software.ibm.com/data/search/eyxn0b01.html
for starters.

Regards,
Kirby


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: Girls Girls Girls Agency                          19-Sep-99 03:54:03
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: Problems with upgraded Lotus Approach 1.1.1?

From: "www.girlsagent.com" <Girls Girls Girls Agency>

I found it would hang when I switch from the main menu to a customer form and
then try to go to something else. I reinstalled the old components to get it
working again.

Pete 
>Gidday
>
>Has anyone else had problems with Approach after applying the upgrade files? 
>I found it almost hung - which caused me to re-install 1.1.
>
>Comments?
>
>TIA
>
>Shane Baker
>Canberra - Australia's national capital
>_____________________________
>sbakerATpcug.org.au - please make the obvious change when replying
>Australian Pets newsgroup - aus.pets  <<>>  Australian Dogs Page -
http://www.pcug.org.au/~sbaker/dogs.htm
>
>
>



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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    19-Sep-99 17:04:12
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <37E52702.5492FEF7@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
>And yet an IBM official attending Warp Expo West
>stated publicly yesterday that no such meeting
>took place - and he should know, he is on the
>committee.   He said it was cancelled due to travel
>problems.  He also said Brad was wrong.  AND he
>said IBM has made no decision on whether or not
>they will release a Warp 5 client 'this year'.
>
>Stardock has a vested financial interest in all this
>free publicity.  Brad does not and cannot speak for IBM.
>
>> I wish there would be a new client, but I think it unlikely.
>
>And I see the glass as half full.  I say there will be a
>Warp 5 client.  Just not in 1999.

Here's the explanation for the non-meeting "meeting". This is in
response to a question regarding the  report at os2.org stating that
no meeting took place. The following  is the answer I received from
an IBMer close to the proceedings:

==================================================

Brad's statement and this one are not inconsistent.

The meeting didn't take place because there was a meeting ahead of the
meeting,
at which it was decided there wasn't any need to have a meeting
because IBM was
not going to pursue Stardock's proposal (and the "agreement in
principle"
between IBM and Stardock).  (You see, you only have *that* meeting to
*approve*
agenda items.)

IBM hasn't ruled any third party out of offering a new client, but it
hasn't
ruled any third party (or itself) *in*, either.  (IBM almost never
rules
anything out.)  Brad's statement was accurate; Stardock anticipates no
change in
IBM's stance.

Brad's statement was also accurate that IBM has received more than one
offer.
Thus far IBM has rejected all of them "at this time."

======================================================

--
**************************************************************
*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
**************************************************************
*  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
**************************************************************

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               19-Sep-99 22:42:09
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:12:46, jsjones@selectric.net wrote:
| 
| Any UGs up to this task?

The Phoenix OS/2 Society would entertain such a proposal.

(Like anything else, such a project needs someone to step forward as 
"champion.")

--Esther

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 19-Sep-99 23:45:13
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 03:38:12
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.apps, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
spake unto us, saying:

>(I'd do it myself, but I'm a little overwhelmed at the moment, trying 
>to find out what actually happened. The apparency is that there was a 
>major miscommunication between several parties, all of whom have/had 
>the best interests of the OS/2 community in mind. I'm trying to figure
>out where the hairball came from, so it can be hacked up and dealt 
>with.)

Hehehe.  Your phrasing is very...ah...creative.  :-)

Whatever is happening is strange, yes.  I suspect many of us are quite
curious what The Real Story might be.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                     "Need know star RM pic"...??!?

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 20-Sep-99 04:30:14
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 03:38:12
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37e59724@news1.prserv.net>, askbill*AT*ibm.net writes:
>Folks,
>
>Note that Dan Casey's explanation (below) is both useful, logical, and
>believable.

snip good stuff >>

>Had OS/2 acheived "critical mass" a few years back, it might have been the
>same by now anyway. If IBM were to find itself in possession of a large
>percentage of the end-user market, they would probably run, not walk, for
>the nearest exit by selling off or spinning off that part of the business.

if wishes were horses, this beggar'd have a farm . . if IBM only *would*
spin off OS/2 to someone who wanted it, instead of this dog-in-the-manger 
act. Who is OS/2's worst enemy, class ? IBM !! get a divorce, Lou, then you 
can go back to hanging out with Joe Camel in front of the high schools. Let
the people inside IBM who like OS/2 do a 'leveraged executive  buy-out,'
get lean and mean and all that stock broker talk, just get the hell *out* of 
a business you don't want and let someone else have a go. Good luck.

> Their core strength lies in the boardroom, and they know it.
>

If their board room had any strength they'd divest themselves of something
they don't understand or want before its value was reduced to nothing. 
Unless they need some deductions . . . .


>Just my HK$ 0.155 worth...............
>
>YOMD!
>
>Bill Hacker


----------------------------------------------------------
H„rad ’ngravv†rd
Windows NT - the Ornithopter of Operating Systems
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          20-Sep-99 05:40:21
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 03:38:12
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:30:28, hamei@pacbell.net a Úcrit dans un message:

> In <37e59724@news1.prserv.net>, askbill*AT*ibm.net writes:
> >Folks,
> >
> >Note that Dan Casey's explanation (below) is both useful, logical, and
> >believable.
> 
> snip good stuff >>
snip all the rest of the good stuff
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> HÀrad ÊngravvÂrd
> Windows NT - the Ornithopter of Operating Systems
> -----------------------------------------------------------

More like, "The Icarus' Wings of Operating Systems"?

(I like ornithopters and the Leo who rode in on them.)

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               20-Sep-99 01:16:10
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 03:38:12
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Richard Steiner wrote:
> 
> Here in comp.os.os2.apps, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
> spake unto us, saying:
> 
> >(I'd do it myself, but I'm a little overwhelmed at the moment, trying
> >to find out what actually happened. The apparency is that there was a
> >major miscommunication between several parties, all of whom have/had
> >the best interests of the OS/2 community in mind. I'm trying to figure
> >out where the hairball came from, so it can be hacked up and dealt
> >with.)
> 
> Hehehe.  Your phrasing is very...ah...creative.  :-)
> 
> Whatever is happening is strange, yes.  I suspect many of us are quite
> curious what The Real Story might be.

Might make a good TV-movie some day (a la Pirates of Silicon Valley). 
Perhaps a few unauthorized books...  ;-)

- Marty

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From: lennart-remove-@plg.-remove-a.se                  20-Sep-99 09:01:08
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: "Lennart Gahm" <lennart-remove-@plg.-remove-a.se>

The Swedish OS/2 User Group could very well be a part of such a group.
We would be happy to offer a warp 4.5 client to our members.
And, if members wants to pay for fulltime support, we can set it up.
But we are too small to carry this "world wide".
In a first step SweOS2UG could cooperate with other scandinavian User Groups
but i
think all OS/2 User Groups need a global organization for this.

Lennart Gahm, Swedish OS/2 User Group

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:12:46 GMT, jsjones@selectric.net wrote:
>Good idea and there are already such organizations in existence: the several 
>non-profit large OS/2 user groups, such as POSSI, SCOUG, etc. Either
individually or 
>as a joint venture, such groups could buy special licenses of WSEB 4.5 and 
>redistribute a client version to members, only. Apple has somewhat similar 
>agreements with user groups to distribute certain older software (at no
charge).
>
>This could be *much* better than the present and historical situation. User
groups 
>(UGs) are much better situated to provide support than a megacorp. IBM could 
>provide better bug fixes faster and cheaper if reports were funneled through
a 
>few UG contacts. Increased revenues from sales and membership fees could
allow 
>UGs to fund ISVs. I've long hoped a group of sharp WPS and device driver 
>programmers would join together and form team -- called Portsmiths Group, or
such -- 
>-- to port other-platform applications and devices to OS/2. With salaries or
retainers 
>from UGs, good programmers wouldn't have to face shareware starvation to do 
>OS/2 work. Such a team could also contract with mainstream vendors to produce 

>(good) OS/2 versions, with little risk and overhead. And, so on...
>
>If IBM were to take this route, they could serve their existing customer base 
and 
>hedge their bets on NT in case the courts have the courage to call naked
naked 
>and in some substantive way break up the emperor's monopoly. And, they could 
>do so without granting an OS/2 monopoly to any one commercial concern.
>
>Any UGs up to this task?
>
>In <37e4cbfb.1002326@news.omen.net.au>, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) writes:
>>How about a Credit Union type of set up?  (I'm brainstorming here),
>>whereby those diehard OS/2 users who really care, and care enough to
>>front money, provide the startup capital for the OS/2 corporation via
>>the purchase of shares?  Those with the most shares have the most
>>votes etc etc.  You don't get access to the 'union' until you buy at
>>least one parcel of shares..this type of thing.  You want access to
>>Warp Client 4.5 as well as a swag of other OS/2 apps?  Fine, buy into
>>OS/2 Corporation, then as a member, you have access to all this fine
>>software at corporate rates.  Big bucks?  You bet, I'd imagine, in all
>>reality, if all you want is Warp Client 4.5 its gonna cost you US$600+
>>(remember we would need to buy the software -and- support the
>>underlying corporate structure...help staff, adminstrators etc).  Per
>>software pricing would get a lot better should you wish to partake in
>>the purchase of several packages.
>>
>>The crunch in all schemes of this type, and I've been watching with
>>interest for over a year, is that someone, and in fact a -lot- of
>>someones, has to make the first move.  A OS/2 corporation such as
>>thing can only be a success if it is large, and I mean that in IBM
>>terms.
>>
>>The underlying theme is that at no time does IBM receive a call from a
>>disgruntled user who cant get his 'dial other internet providers'
>>working.  All this user support is handled by OS/2 Corporation paid
>>support staff.
>>
>>If this sort of money is viewed as unrealistic, then my opinion is
>>that our requests for continued support from IBM is also unrealistic
>>and OS/2 will in fact die...slowly and horribly.
>
>selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.
>



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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  20-Sep-99 05:44:24
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) said:
> >I've got a Russian proggie called Dos Navigator that's one of the
> >best shells I've ever seen
>
> Hm, howitzer?  Mortar?  Artilliary?

Ahh - so that explains what HEAP size means - (High Explosive Armour
Piercing) ....<g>

> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.

--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"




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From: vk3jma@net2000.com.au                             20-Sep-99 09:46:28
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: trouble with install.  Help please.

From: vk3jma@net2000.com.au (Mark Aitken)

Hello,

Not sure if this the right place but I could not find a OS2 HELP
group.

Anyway,  I am loading OS2 Warp v3 onto one of my old Compaq 486
computers but my origional disks have a problem.

Disk 9 of the install set has CRC errors and Sector Not found errors
half way through installation.

I can "ignore and Continue" past these but then later on I have
problems when it comes to running or installing any dos programs.

OS2 reports that it can not find DOS specific files in the C:\OS2\DOS
directory (or similar words).

Can anyone assist with a image file of the DSIK9 of the OS2 Warp V3
set??

Please respond directly to my email address vk3jma@net2000.com.au


regards

Mark

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               20-Sep-99 09:51:24
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

 
> What is required is a deliberately targeted campaign to convince IBM
> to update the client.  Note I say update.  We don't need a new OS we
> need an enhanced version of what we have now.

You're right short time we need a CDROM-refresh, to get around those
difficult installs, then fixpacking, installing Java, NS etc. etc. Longer term
we may need to put pressure on IBM to get an (affordable way to) upgrade.

Which makes the idea of an united we stand SOHO / Users buying and
pressure group the more interesting way out of this situation. 

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    20-Sep-99 05:34:21
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <37E57C3F.35D03B66@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

>P.S.  Why are we now hearing the meeting didn't take
>place with Brad specifically said it did?  Whom are we
>to believe here?

The report that "no meeting took place" was posted to the news page at
os2.org, and was attributed to an IBMer speaking at Warp Expo West on
Saturday, the 18th. I've been in contact with someone who attended
this presenataion, and reported what he had heard. I am awaiting
confirmation from the IBMer before I post anything else. While I
believe the information  I have to be correct, I'd prefer to get
confirmation and clarification, rather than risk starting unfounded
rumors.

The information that I posted earlier came directly from Timothy
Sipples, in a personal e-mail, and was quoted verbatim. He also added
that he was "in the dark" as to the rest of the details.

If I get a response to my post for more information, I'll post it
here, and to various other sites such as news@os2voice.org and
Warpcast.


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*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    20-Sep-99 05:43:29
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <yddF3.4261$RS3.45004@ha1>, jsjones@selectric.net wrote:
>
>Any UGs up to this task?
>

VOICE is already in discussions on a similar "proposal". There are
several articles published in the newsletter from Lynn Maxson, under
the title "Warpicity Proposal". We're in the process, now, of ironing
out details and legalese "stuff". We (VOICE) are not getting into this
as strictly a "VOICE Project". We will need (and ask for) the
cooperation of many other OS/2 groups, and the project and funding
will start out as and be separate from VOICE itself.

It is our hope that at least the organizational details can be ironed
out before Warpstock 99. Stay tuned :-)

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*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               20-Sep-99 10:23:06
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: LinkWiz

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling) wrote:
>> It worked for me just now. But the page
>> was a testpage proving that the (new) install
>> of Mandrake / Apache on Linux is working now.
  
> Yes I have seen this message. But it don't seem to have
> anything to do with LinkWiz and PCX. It looks, to me, like
> a message from the ISP that PCX is using. Perhaps this mes-
> sage is automatically put up, when someone try to address an
> non-existing URL at that ISP.

No, it looks more (to me at least) like a standard message
put up there because a new server was installed. Most likely
they (or their ISP) are in the process of setting up the site on a
new version of the OS they used or a different OS as before. In
these times of transition (as I see it) you could follow my other info.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 20-Sep-99 12:24:00
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (larger)

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

"Lennart Gahm" <lennart-remove-@plg.-remove-a.se> wrote:

>The Swedish OS/2 User Group could very well be a part of such a group.
>We would be happy to offer a warp 4.5 client to our members.
>And, if members wants to pay for fulltime support, we can set it up.
>But we are too small to carry this "world wide".
>In a first step SweOS2UG could cooperate with other scandinavian User Groups
>but i
>think all OS/2 User Groups need a global organization for this.

In my humble opinion, the basic problem in getting anything of this
type off the ground is money.  No-one wants to commit any cash until a
certain outcome is provided.

That is why I mentioned in the beginning of this thread that start up
capital would need to be viewed as 'venture capital' - in other words,
money you're willing to lose.

Now the trick is that in a corporate sense, venture capital is risked
by investors against the prospect of higher than average returns.  

It is for this reason that although the major initial motivation force
could probably only be provided by one of the largest OS/2 interest
groups, it could not in fact end up being run by one.  Such a scenario
needs to provide something exceptional to the originating investors.
Whether this be permant board membership, financial gain, blah blah,
there needs to be some real and physical reason for initial investors
to plonk down their 'venture cash'.

User groups are traditionally non-profit, and this is as it should be.
Corporations are traditionally profit making and sharing, and this is
also as it should be (in a capitalist world anyway).  What really
needs to happen is for large OS/2 oriented business organisations to
get involved at some point fairly early in the proceedings (by large,
I still mean smaller than those of direct interest to IBM).

A coalition of businesses whose money making ventures rely upon Warp
Server, Warp Client and the spinoff technologies (ie, those with a
vested interest in maintaining OS/2 as a viable marketplace
alternative) would need to appear and 'buy into' the OS/2 Corporation
at an early stage.  End users of course are required also, in fact
10's of thousands of them would be ideal, but I foresee difficulty in
managing to get 10 or 20 thousand home users feeling confident enough
to throw in US$600 each in order to kick off the project.

You see immediately the difficulty with basing such a venture entirely
upon end users.  US$4-5 Million would be a realistic starting figure
to launch an OS/2 corporation, fund its initiation, wages for support
staff and enough capital to outright purchase say 10K licences of Warp
4.5 (client..??) at around say US$150.00 a shot (potentially cheaper?
I'd say so).  

As I said initially, you could not wander off to IBM HQ and ask for 10
or 20 licences per month.  The Corp. would need to act as a large
financial institution would, buy the per seat licences in one huge
deal.  At that time negotiations for guarenteed support dates, fixpack
availability and access to Software Choice would also be made.

If this idea is left too late, most/all business currently earning a
living with OS/2 rollouts (or majority rollouts) will have already
moved on to find different ways to support themselves.  

Now, whilst I don't necessarily view the statement by Brad Wardell of
Stardock to be the final condemnation of OS/2 Client, it does bode
badly; if for no other reason than to scare the hell out of the
remaining OS/2 ISV's and also those businesses who's livelihood
depends upon OS/2.  All businesses who want to stay in business have
to project (using known information) into the future and try to
compensate to make sure they can maximise gain in their market niche.
What this means is that we cannot afford to wait and see what happens.
By the time we get a 'yay or nay' from IBM, it will be too late - even
if sometime in late 2000 they do cave in and present us all with a new
Client.

This, I think, is where the major user groups will play a huge roll.
We need a road map, or strategy, for the next 6-12 months.  Contact
with ISV's and more importantly OS/2 based or majority based business
needs to be made and asked for a commitment - promisary at first sure,
but some basic working figures need to be thrashed out (if theres no
real interest, this is all a pipe dream).  

To gain promisary indications from business, a tangible benefit needs
to be presented, by tangible, I mean other than the simple philosophic
point of view that we all wish to see OS/2 continue with a bright and
long future.  For the most part, at this early stage, I think
promisaries from end users can be ignored.  I feel that a good number,
probably enough, end users would turn up with cash in hand when a
product is actually available for sale.

Remember that a commercial product, by its very nature, needs cashflow
in order to survive.  Cashflow of the order required to fund 'OS/2
Corporation' can realistically only be provided by businesses who keep
rolling the product out into the business marketplace as solutions for
their customers.

We have the means to settle this issue once and for all.  If
sufficient support for an 'OS/2 Corporation' does not exist today, it
never will.  Should the current state of the rumor nation turn out to
be true, and IBM is not willing to retail a new Warp client, the OS/2
community will start shedding users, home users, business users at an
exponential rate starting pretty much from now.  What will be left
will be a clone of the Amiga community, with a handful of diehard
users worldwide with plenty of dreams, but no ability, and no numbers
left to put anything into action.

Craig









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From: esther@bitranch.com                               20-Sep-99 13:32:29
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:45:27, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) 
wrote:

| Whatever is happening is strange, yes.  I suspect many of us are quite
| curious what The Real Story might be.

Indeed.

But be aware that, to find out, we'll have to gaze into the gaping maw
of IBM politics. It's entirely possible that we'll _never_ find out 
what actually happened.

--Esther 


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               20-Sep-99 13:37:19
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:15:33, Tarquelne <osric@apk.net> wrote:

| I imagine that when turned
| down the Stardock rep said, "Well, are you going to do a client." 
| and the IBM rep said "We have no plans at this time." and the
| statement above is simply a report of the above exchange.

I recommend you don't make additional assumptions. The waters are 
already muddied... there's no reason to stir them.

Let's find out what _did_ happen, instead of speculating on what 
_might_ have happened, okay?

--Esther 


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                20-Sep-99 14:02:04
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:45:51, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

î But the IBM message was NOT a Stardock message.  The IBM message was
îthat no one, not Stardock, not IBM, not anybody would be doing an OS/2
client...

Where did you get that information from? I certainly hope it
wasn't based on Brad's statement of events. If there's one 
thing I have learned from dealing with Brad in these 
newsgroups, it is that he paints an EXTREMELY one sided 
picture of the events that take place. A picture designed to
make his `opponents' appear completely in the wrong, and 
himself completely in the right.

îI fail to see how this makes either a great villian out of Stardock or a hero
îout of IBM.  Let's face it.  IBM doesn't want a popular client; they want a
î"tons-of-money" business system.

Said "tons-of-money" business system allowing us to reap the
benefits of updates and fixes and browsers and productivity 
suites, drivers, and Java for free - or next to it.

Whoop-de-doo, let's bash IBM for concentrating on the group 
of customers that bring in the money that only lets us have 
the best desktop OS out there for next to nothing.

Let's all declare OS/2 dead and jump ship because Stardock 
couldn't present a business plan that would convince IBM it 
was worth the risk to entrust OS/2 in their hands.


________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                20-Sep-99 14:19:29
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:51:15, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

îNote the wording:  "IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2
based 
îclient of their own."

Note the source of that statement - it was not IBM - and 
give it the credence it deserves. Hint: the individual 
responsible for that statement has a rather strong 
proclivity toward presenting his side of the story as the 
only side.




________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

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From: DCritel@ibm.net                                   20-Sep-99 07:44:01
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: trouble with install.  Help please.

From: Dave Critelli <DCritel@ibm.net>

Mark, try to do a diskcopy of the bad floppy to a new floppy.  I found
this sometimes works.

Mark Aitken wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Not sure if this the right place but I could not find a OS2 HELP
> group.
>
> Anyway,  I am loading OS2 Warp v3 onto one of my old Compaq 486
> computers but my origional disks have a problem.
>
> Disk 9 of the install set has CRC errors and Sector Not found errors
> half way through installation.
>
> I can "ignore and Continue" past these but then later on I have
> problems when it comes to running or installing any dos programs.
>
> OS2 reports that it can not find DOS specific files in the C:\OS2\DOS
> directory (or similar words).
>
> Can anyone assist with a image file of the DSIK9 of the OS2 Warp V3
> set??
>
> Please respond directly to my email address vk3jma@net2000.com.au
>
> regards
>
> Mark

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From: nospam@nospam.com                                 20-Sep-99 11:57:29
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: Lotus123 takes forever to load

From: nospam@nospam.com (Bruce LaZerte)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:40:06, nospam@nospam.com (Bruce LaZerte) wrote:

> When I click on a 123 file, Lotus123 takes forever to load it. There is a 
> 5-10 sec sequence of disk grinding complete with little blips on 
> WarpCenter's system activity monitor.
> 
> However, when I start Lotus123 empty and then load the app, the combined 
> time to load 123 and the spreadsheet is much less (about half?). 

Well, the solution I've found so far is to create a new empty spreadsheet 
and cut/paste all the worksheets from the old/slow one to the new one. The 
new file is smaller (about 2/3's) and much faster to load. 

Wish I knew what caused this...

----------------------
Bruce LaZerte 	
Muskoka,Ontario,Canada
freshwat at muskoka dot com	

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 20-Sep-99 19:06:01
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (larger)

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37e61cbd.742201@news.omen.net.au>, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) writes:
>

snipped perceptive analysis >>

>To gain promisary indications from business, a tangible benefit needs
>to be presented, by tangible, I mean other than the simple philosophic
>point of view that we all wish to see OS/2 continue with a bright and
>long future.  For the most part, at this early stage, I think
>promisaries from end users can be ignored.  I feel that a good number,
>probably enough, end users would turn up with cash in hand when a
>product is actually available for sale.
>
>Remember that a commercial product, by its very nature, needs cashflow
>in order to survive.  Cashflow of the order required to fund 'OS/2
>Corporation' can realistically only be provided by businesses who keep
>rolling the product out into the business marketplace as solutions for
>their customers.
>
>We have the means to settle this issue once and for all.  If
>sufficient support for an 'OS/2 Corporation' does not exist today, it
>never will.  Should the current state of the rumor nation turn out to
>be true, and IBM is not willing to retail a new Warp client, the OS/2
>community will start shedding users, home users, business users at an
>exponential rate starting pretty much from now.  What will be left
>will be a clone of the Amiga community, with a handful of diehard
>users worldwide with plenty of dreams, but no ability, and no numbers
>left to put anything into action.
>


there's only one aspect you've not covered here, IMO - OS/2 needs to be
removed from IBM's clutches to survive in any form. No one with a brain,
and *especially* no one with OS/2 experience, business-wise or otherwise,
will ever trust IBM with their future again.  If your new corporation can 
OWN OS/2 then we'd be rushing to subscribe - if we'll just be sending more
money down the IBM tubes so they can decide in two years that "customers
should be assisted to migrate to 'Plan D' . . . . ."

**** me once, shame on you
**** me twice, toss-up
**** me three times, shame on me



>Craig
>

sk†l !

----------------------------------------------------------
H„rad ’ngravv†rd
Windows NT - the Ornithopter of Operating Systems
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From: danielh@crosslink.net                             20-Sep-99 18:10:18
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: EPM -- open REXX file = SYS3175: more evidence

From: danielh@crosslink.net

>I've encountered a problem opening a REXX file in EPM under Warp 4, FP11.
>With one particular file I get a SYS3175 as shown:

Interesting, I can open .CMD files with an EA of 31781 bytes, but 
a file with  38675 bytes of EA won't open.   So you aren't imagining this!

-----------------------------------------------------------
danielh@crosslink.net
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From: fredell@ibm.net                                   20-Sep-99 21:21:00
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: EPM -- open REXX file = SYS3175

From: fredell@ibm.net (Paul Fredell)

I've encountered a problem opening a REXX file in EPM under Warp 4,
FP11. With one particular file I get a SYS3175 as shown:


  09-20-1999  13:51:38  SYS3175  PID 00e9  TID 0002  Slot 0074
  D:\EPM\EPM.EXE
  c0000005
  1bf92f68
  P1=00000000  P2=ffffffff  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
  EAX=cccccccc  EBX=00000034  ECX=02070000  EDX=21000000
  ESI=01fd0035  EDI=00000003
  DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=1fffffff
  ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=1fffffff
  FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
  GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
  CS:EIP=005b:1bf92f68  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
  SS:ESP=0053:01c74d8c  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=1fffffff
  EBP=01c74da8  FLG=00012246

  DOSCALL1.DLL 0002:00002f68

This appears to be related to the file EA's.  The file in question shows
up as the following:

  banklog.cmd  10,819 bytes  EA's: 32,767 bytes

a similar sized with 29,311 bytes EA's opens fine.

If I open banklog.cmd in another editor, select and copy the text to
EPM, all is well until I've run banklog.cmd, creating the EA's.

Anybody know what's going on here and have a fix?

Thanks,

==WPF==
pfredell@earthlink.net
fredell@ibm.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~pfredell/

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          20-Sep-99 20:16:12
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: Communicator Startup Bug

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:26:42, Jeremy Bowen <JeremyB@clear.net.nz> a Úcrit 
dans un message:

> blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart Honsberger) writes:
> 
> > On 31 Aug 1999 22:47:52 +1200, Jeremy Bowen wrote:
> > >
> > >Can anyone point me to a reference to the Communicator 4.61 command
> > >line options. I wish to create Icons on the desktop for different
> > >users and have it startup using the correct profile.
> > 
> > Try running "netscape /?". It should give you the parameters.
> 
> Are you trying to be clever or just wasting my time ??
> 
> It would have been helpful if you'd tried this yourself before
> rattling off at your keyboard. Of course this doesn't work.

Now, now, there. We must all keep a civil tongue in our head. You get more 
flies with honey than vinegar, remember. (If you want flies.) Suffer fools 
gladly, at least.

The URL you want is:

	http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/deploymt/options.htm

And of course you have to be connected to see it. Why Netscape in their 
Corporate Wisdom didn't think it best to make this a local file, I'll never
understand, but that's the way it is.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 15:52:26
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Skree@stubble.jumpers wrote:

> Personally I think that Brad Wardell ( trying to keep the Brads straight )
> has done a wonderful job of getting all the vocal os/2 supporters incensed
> about this supposed statement/decision by IBM.

Wardell has done that and much more.  He has single handedly
chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2.
You consider that a wonderful job?  You are saying you think
it is great that Brad has released a "supposed statement/decision
by IBM" that has angered the most vocal OS/2 users and literally
pushed many OS/2 users away to Microsoft and other operating
systems.  I find that amazing coming from an OS/2 user.

> Prehaps it will galvanize some of the more ardent supporters of OS/2 Warp
> (in all its flavours) into banding together and putting out some public
> statements about the superiority of Warp and maybe do something to get IBM
> to make an announcement on this issue.

OS/2's most vocal supporters have always been ardent.  IBM
has always and will continue to support OS/2.  It is THEIR
operating system - not ours to tell them what to do with it.

> I've also noticed that BW has been very quiet about this thread since he
> first spawned it.

What's to say?  How does he defend himself?  He knows
if he does speak publicly he is going to be targeted for
speaking on behalf of IBM.  He threatens here to sue his
detractors if they speak ill of Stardock or Stardock's
dubious actions yet takes it upon himself to speak for
IBM - effectively declare OS/2 dead and sending IBM's
OS/2 customers (users) to other operating systems.
How much money has Brad Wardell cost IBM?  Do you
wonder at all now why IBM said no to Brad?

> Maybe both BW and IBM are trying to test the waters to see if there is any
> ardent support - thus a market base - for a new client based on WSeB.

OS/2 and related products and services will generate
millions of dollars for IBM this year alone.  They are
fully aware of the support for OS/2.  Maybe BW is angry
that IBM turned him down and is now striking out to
hurt IBM and OS/2 (and the OS/2 community as a whole).

> Afterall - if you don't succeed at first - change your marketing strategy.
>

Quite a risky marketing strategy:  declare the product dead
and chase away the most ardent supporters and advocates.

> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Kenn Sunley
> MR/2 ICE ver 1.60 reg'd
> Date: 1999.09.20
> Time: 13:10:22 - -0600
>
> Warp 4
> 233Mhz PII
> ATI Xpert@work
> Gradd Rocks - thank you IBM
> -----------------------------------------------------------




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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    20-Sep-99 23:04:10
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <37E6BAC5.A5DC8AF9@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
>OS/2's most vocal supporters have always been ardent.  IBM
>has always and will continue to support OS/2.  It is THEIR
>operating system - not ours to tell them what to do with it.

... and you will always lick-up what they tell you too.  I don't notice
IBM saying anything bad about what Brad said, do you?  I don't see press
releases denouncing what he said.  It is IBM'm operating system after all.

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          21-Sep-99 08:22:01
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:10:22 -0600, Skree@stubble.jumpers wrote:

:>I've also noticed that BW has been very quiet about this thread since he
:>first spawned it.

Brad no longer subscribes to any of the OS/2 newsgroups.
You have to go to the Stardock server to continue discussion
on the fate of OS/2.

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
******************************************************



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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    20-Sep-99 18:42:19
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-3ZvQNoQd4ft6@agave.bitranch.com>,
esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:15:33, Tarquelne <osric@apk.net> wrote:
>
>| I imagine that when turned
>| down the Stardock rep said, "Well, are you going to do a client."
>| and the IBM rep said "We have no plans at this time." and the
>| statement above is simply a report of the above exchange.
>
>I recommend you don't make additional assumptions. The waters are
>already muddied... there's no reason to stir them.
>
>Let's find out what _did_ happen, instead of speculating on what
>_might_ have happened, okay?
>
>--Esther

I agree 110% with Esther on this. There is already  too much
speculation, and too many conflicting reports on this subject as it
is.

I have several e-mail  messages awaiting replies from "those who
should know", and I'll post something when I get straight and factual
answers. Until then, I'll keep my opinions and info to myself. As soon
as I know,  you  all will  know.



--
**************************************************************
*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
**************************************************************
*  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
**************************************************************

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          20-Sep-99 22:52:01
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows it 
dated today:

	ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe

It sure appears to be the final build. And on an open FTP site, as well.

There's a COMM404.EXE file there, too, dated Jun 14 2000. Back to the 
future.

	
Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 09:58:23
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) said:

>It's entirely possible that we'll _never_ find out 
>what actually happened.

And it's entirely possible we'll never see another OS/2 client without
shelling
out $1000 each.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 09:54:18
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Lennart Gahm" <lennart-remove-@plg.-remove-a.se> said:

>In a first step SweOS2UG could cooperate with other scandinavian User Groups
>but i think all OS/2 User Groups need a global organization for this.

Well, go ahead and name one.  We desperately need more inane bashing threads.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 10:03:07
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn) said:

>Longer term we may need to put pressure on IBM to get an
>(affordable way to) upgrade.

Affordable is precisely where IBM will never go.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 08:09:09
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Dan Casey wrote:

> In article <37E57C3F.35D03B66@WarpCity.com>,
> Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
> >P.S.  Why are we now hearing the meeting didn't take
> >place with Brad specifically said it did?  Whom are we
> >to believe here?
>
> The report that "no meeting took place" was posted to the news page at
> os2.org, and was attributed to an IBMer speaking at Warp Expo West on
> Saturday, the 18th.

That report was published *verbatim* from Warp City without
our approval or authorization.

> I've been in contact with someone who attended
> this presenataion, and reported what he had heard.

And our reporter talked directly to the IBMer who made
the statement which is why we reported the news to Warp
City members.

> I am awaiting
> confirmation from the IBMer before I post anything else. While I
> believe the information  I have to be correct, I'd prefer to get
> confirmation and clarification, rather than risk starting unfounded
> rumors.

That same IBMer said much more on the subject but we haven't
reported it publicly because it is news we want to hold to our
vest for the time being.

> The information that I posted earlier came directly from Timothy
> Sipples, in a personal e-mail, and was quoted verbatim. He also added
> that he was "in the dark" as to the rest of the details.
>

And our German counterpart also spoke with Timothy Sipples
in a private email.

> If I get a response to my post for more information, I'll post it
> here, and to various other sites such as news@os2voice.org and
> Warpcast.

Thank you.

>
> --
> **************************************************************
> *  Dan Casey                                                 *
> *  President                                                 *
> *  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
> *  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
> *  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
> *  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
> *  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
> *  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
> **************************************************************
> *  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
> **************************************************************




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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 12:39:16
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman) said:

>¯Note the wording:  "IBM has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2
>based  ¯client of their own."

>Note the source of that statement - it was not IBM - and 

The guy I was replying to said he had read Brad's statement and there was no
such thing in it.  You and he both consider Brad to be unreliable.  I didn't
resppond to that point and will not.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         20-Sep-99 18:00:19
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: New Keyboard ????

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,
 
I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
those available here, they all come with
keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
I would like to know if those keyboard 
will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
is any use for those buttons 
 
//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: blackdeath@13softhome.net                         20-Sep-99 22:29:20
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:03
Subj: Re: Communicator Startup Bug

From: blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart Honsberger)

On 20 Sep 1999 18:26:42 +1200, Jeremy Bowen wrote:
>> Try running "netscape /?". It should give you the parameters.
.                                ^^^^^^

>Are you trying to be clever or just wasting my time ??

Are you trying to be an asshole, or was it incepted in you at birth?

>It would have been helpful if you'd tried this yourself before
>rattling off at your keyboard. Of course this doesn't work.

It *DID* work, atleast in previous versions of Netscape.

Next time somebody wants help in this group, I just won't respond. How's that
sound? I'm sure you'd love that, wouldn't you? It would be great if more
people stuck their heads up their asses like yourself and flamed people for
attempting to help others.

Go piss in a light socket.

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: dywilson@usc.edu                                  20-Sep-99 09:56:08
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:03
Subj: Re: Warp4 + FP11 + DD1 = No Shutdown

From: "Donald Wilson" <dywilson@usc.edu>

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:06:20 +0200, Sacha Prins wrote:

>I just found out that TVFS is causing this. Which is strange, since other
>systems I have with TVFS do not behave like this. Still this maybe has
>something to do with the FP11 and/or DDFP1.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Sacha

I have the same problem with my system but I get as far as the
penultimate shutdown screen / message and (fortunately) don't have to
go through the chkdisk routine on reboot. I asked about this here
some time ago and was told the culprit was the Adaptec driver for my
SCSI set up.

Donald Wilson


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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            20-Sep-99 18:40:08
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: XFree86 and 127.0.0.1 Loopback

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

I'm trying to setup XFree86 so I can try GIMP/2 but I can't seem to 
get the 'localhost' 127.0.0.1 setup as loopback.  I've tried using 
'INETD' and 'IFCONFIG lo 127.0.0.1 up' and also tried to use the 
TCP/IP notebook but when I run tcpcfg2 it won't let me in because the 
host (127.0.0.1) is not responding.  Ping seems to work OK.

I have TCP/IP 4.1 with WR08620 installed and Java 1.1.8 installed.
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990605 (JIT enabled:
javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-19990605)"

Any ideas how to get the 'localhost' responding.  I know virtually 
nothing about TCP/IP configuration so be gentle.  ;-)  Any help would 
be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               20-Sep-99 22:54:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:53, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

| He has single handedly
| chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2.

According to...? 


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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         20-Sep-99 23:51:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Bennie Nelson writes [to Tim Martin]:

> I doubt seriously that you can find and produce any evidence to
> show that Brad W. has chased away a dozen people from using OS/2.

I guess it depends on how you choose to place the blame.  Several
other people have posted their own interpretations of Brad's latest
message regarding no client from Stardock, and I've seen several
people comment on how they're going to start looking at Linux as a
result.

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 17:43:19
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: New!  Comm/2 v4.61, 56BIT & 128BIT, Plug-in Pack & C/2 Spellcheck 

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

The IBM Netscape team has released an updated
Communicator v4.61.  It is now an official program
found in the IBM Software Catalog.  The Url:

http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm
Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2(R) Warp

Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Warp combines Web browsing,
e-mail, Web page creation, and newsgroups into a single solution
enabling
you to find and share information easily.
Updated 09/20/99
Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2(R) Warp with strong
encryption

Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Warp with strong encryption
combines Web browsing, e-mail, Web page creation, and newsgroups into
a single solution enabling you to find and share information easily. The

level of encryption available in this version allows you to access your
accounts at financial institutions that require strong (128-bit)
encryption.
FOR USE IN THE U.S. AND CANADA ONLY.
Updated 09/20/99

OS/2(R) Plug-in Pack v. 3.0
The OS/2 Plug-in Pack v. 3.0 enhances Netscape Communicator 4.61 for
OS/2 Warp by enabling it to play many video and audio files. It also
enables Netscape Communicator to use Microsoft(R) Windows(R) 3.1
plug-ins.
Updated 09/20/99

IBM(R) Spellchecker Dictionaries for Netscape
Communicator 4.61 for OS/2(R) Warp
Provides additional spelling dictionaries for Netscape Communicator 4.61

for OS/2 Warp.
Updated 09/20/99

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

P.S.  Thanks IBM's Netscape Team for all the hard work!


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 18:00:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Bennie Nelson wrote:

> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > Skree@stubble.jumpers wrote:
> >
> > > Personally I think that Brad Wardell ( trying to keep the Brads straight 
)
> > > has done a wonderful job of getting all the vocal os/2 supporters
incensed
> > > about this supposed statement/decision by IBM.
> >
> > Wardell has done that and much more.  He has single handedly
> > chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2.
>
> Tim,
> It seems to me that you've overplayed your hand, again.  You do have
> a habit of that.  I doubt seriously that you can find and produce
> any evidence to show that Brad W. has chased away a dozen people
> from using OS/2.
>
> I much prefer the helpful Tim Martin who posts in the other
> newsgroups.  I believe you have been shabbily treated by some
> in this newsgroup, but you don't have to respond in the way you
> do.  That only tends to stir other people up who don't know the
> whole story.  Besides, as is so often the case, it's the guy who
> swings second who draws the penalty flag.
>
> Please give it some thought.
>
> Regards,
> Bennie Nelson

Sorry Bennie but you have to sit in my seat.  I oversee
the largest OS/2-only private subscription web site on
the 'Net which services thousands of OS/2 users.  I have
to deal with the reality of members writing to say, "Now
that IBM has killed OS/2 will you help us move over to
Linux and other supported operating systems?"

Many see Brad to be a leader (self-proclaimed) within the
OS/2  community.  That self-proclaimed leader has stepped
forward and literally declared the end of any OS/2 future.

Look around you now.  The Register, one of the most
well respected News Media Sources on the 'Net, is now
running the "poor Brad" story and citing the death of
OS/2 once again.  By the end of this week you'll see
other commercial tech news sites reporting the final
death of OS/2.  Folks like "Wired" "InfoWorld"  "CNET"
"Mercury News"  "ZDNews" and so on.

If you think many OS/2 users won't believe these
constant flood of false stories and leave OS/2 then
there's a golden bridge in San Francisco I'd love to
sell you.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"




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From: esther@bitranch.com                               21-Sep-99 01:56:19
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

Tim,

YOU are the one claiming that OS/2 users are being chased away from 
OS/2. Not me. I haven't seen a single OS/2 user walk away from the 
platform.

*YOU* are the one spouting doom and gloom for the OS/2 community, Tim,
and doing your best to keep this contraversy alive. I'm the one 
posting thank-you messages to the people who put on a successful OS/2 
event, and editing an article about choosing Web servers for OS/2. 
Which of us is doing a better job supporting the people who use the 
operating system?

And, for the record, we have no plans to write about this incident at 
S@R. Had the news been positive, I would have been delighted to report
it, and I'm quite sure that ZDNN would have picked it up. Because I 
knew about the planned meeting, I had sent Mary Jo a "heads-up" for a 
hot news story (should the news be positive) and the article would 
have been posted at 9am Friday.

Mary Jo and I did discuss the matter. We agreed that "no new client" 
wasn't news, because that's been the status quo. This is a "dog bites 
man" story. OS/2 is no more dead-or-alive than it was a week ago; my 
system is running just fine, my applications continue to work. IBM has
made no statements... but then they almost _never_ make statements, 
and rarely about OS/2.

So that settles the matter of how this is handled by the computer 
press, or at least the corner of it for which I can adequately speak. 
Let's get back to the matter at hand, where you claim that Brad has 
single-handedly chased away hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users.

According to *whom*...?

You chastised _me_ for reporting information without adequate 
attribution. Why should you be held to a different standard, 
especially when you're attacking an individual?

--Esther

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:28:15, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

| Esther Schindler wrote:
| 
| > On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:53, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
| >
| > | He has single handedly
| > | chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2.
| >
| > According to...?
| 
| What's the upcoming title of your next ZD hit piece
| Esther?  "IBM Shafts The King Of OS/2?", subtitled:
| "Bottom Nails To OS/2 Coffin Pounded In  By Lou!"
| 
| I see Mary Jo Folly now dancin' with madness,
| rubbing her palms deliriously together, cigarette
| dangling from her lips as she dictates into her
| Microsoft Dragon voice dictation software.  "It's
| dead I tell you - God Damn it IS DEAD this time!
| It HAS TO BE!"
| 
| :-)
| 
| 


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From: nickdanger@null.spamTHIS.net                      20-Sep-99 19:18:12
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Nick Danger" <nickdanger@null.spamTHIS.net>

On 20 Sep 1999 23:51:26 GMT, Dave Tholen wrote:

> .....I've seen several
> people comment on how they're going to start looking at Linux as a
> result.

It's hard to avoid the Linux noise.  I installed it, just to see
what all the fuss was about.  After WPS, it's hard to see
the benefit in GUIs whose developers are still struggling
with 'cut' and 'paste'. 

I have Win95 installed as well.  I'm sitting here typing this
in OS/2 because it is still what I use 90% of the time.  It's
solid and it works.  The existence of Linux does not affect
that.

I don't see the big deal here.  It looks to me like IBM
leaks most of the goodies from (ongoing) Warp Server
development, in the form of fixpacks for us "abandoned"
client users.  Today we got the final build of Netscape
4.61.  Who's abandoned?


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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               21-Sep-99 01:14:20
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Smartcache and Comm 4.04 problem

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Hi!

After all the advertising here for Smartcache :-) I decided to give it a
try. Netscape's cache is set to 2MB memory and no disk cache, SmartCache
is set to 10MB. I am using Warp 4 FP11 and Java 1.1.8 with the latest
fix.
What happens is that I often get a CPU load of 100% and memory is eaten
up also. As soon as I close Netscape all is normal again. What's that?
Maybe something's really wrong with Java 1.1.8?

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: Frank@get-lost.spam                               20-Sep-99 23:11:25
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Speech Engine

From: Frank@get-lost.spam (Frank)

Is there a speech engine better then "backtalk" or "talk"
(the latter two sound like my speakers are 6 feet under water !)

Greeeetings,


Frank

The box said:"Requires Windows 95/98, NT or better" .......... So I 
too installed OS/2.

Reply per Email to franklyware@-NOSPAM-beer.com

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    20-Sep-99 18:34:27
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

Yep, you read that correctly. Netscape for OS/2, version  4.61 GA is
now available for download at Software Choice.

To get everyone started, VOICE is currently holding a Live IRC Chat
Session (aka Speakup) in WEBBnet IRC, #voice channel, with the
Development Team from IBM.

Mike Kaply and Jeffrey Kobal are both present, and answering
questions.

Use you favoriet IRC Client and type:

/server irc.us.webbnet.org

When you get connected to the server, type:

/join #voice

Cya there!!!

--
**************************************************************
*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
**************************************************************
*  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
**************************************************************

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      21-Sep-99 10:29:16
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:34:55, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:

> Yep, you read that correctly. Netscape for OS/2, version  4.61 GA is
> now available for download at Software Choice.

Just got it installed. All the bugs that I had with the beta version/4.04 have 

been fixed!! This included viewing an online banking page that was essential
to 
me.

Cool.. I get to say to my friends,

"There was a bug in Netscape for which I sent an email to IBM and they fixed 
it!"

Thank you to Mike, Jeff and the Netscape team.

Now if only they had guys like these for Smartsuite :)


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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               20-Sep-99 21:17:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Sorry Bennie but you have to sit in my seat.  I oversee
> the largest OS/2-only private subscription web site on
> the 'Net which services thousands of OS/2 users.

Spam away Tim!  How's the BSD web server holdin up?

> I have
> to deal with the reality of members writing to say, "Now
> that IBM has killed OS/2 will you help us move over to
> Linux and other supported operating systems?"
>
> Many see Brad to be a leader (self-proclaimed) within the
> OS/2  community.  That self-proclaimed leader has stepped
> forward and literally declared the end of any OS/2 future.

Actually, Bennie proclaimed him a leader of the OS/2 community.  You should
really get your attributions right.

> Look around you now.  The Register, one of the most
> well respected News Media Sources on the 'Net, is now
> running the "poor Brad" story and citing the death of
> OS/2 once again.  By the end of this week you'll see
> other commercial tech news sites reporting the final
> death of OS/2.  Folks like "Wired" "InfoWorld"  "CNET"
> "Mercury News"  "ZDNews" and so on.

At least Brad tried to do something.  What have you done to bring about a
new OS/2 client Tim?

> If you think many OS/2 users won't believe these
> constant flood of false stories and leave OS/2 then
> there's a golden bridge in San Francisco I'd love to
> sell you.

And if you think you have an ounce of credibility amongst those that have
read your posts in COOAdvocacy, I have a nice white jacket for you.

Now that we all know about Wardell's big conspiracy to drive away OS/2
users, why don't you tell us why he would have <any> reason to do so (be it
personal or for his business)?

But don't bother responding Tim.  We all know you have no such reason,
logic, or rationale.

- Marty

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 18:28:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Esther Schindler wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:53, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
> | He has single handedly
> | chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2.
>
> According to...?

What's the upcoming title of your next ZD hit piece
Esther?  "IBM Shafts The King Of OS/2?", subtitled:
"Bottom Nails To OS/2 Coffin Pounded In  By Lou!"

I see Mary Jo Folly now dancin' with madness,
rubbing her palms deliriously together, cigarette
dangling from her lips as she dictates into her
Microsoft Dragon voice dictation software.  "It's
dead I tell you - God Damn it IS DEAD this time!
It HAS TO BE!"

:-)


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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 03:26:00
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <avpxqnatreahyyarg.fidsqo1.pminews@news.pacbell.net>,
Nick Danger <nickdanger@null.spamTHIS.net> wrote:
>On 20 Sep 1999 23:51:26 GMT, Dave Tholen wrote:
>
>> .....I've seen several
>> people comment on how they're going to start looking at Linux as a
>> result.
>
>It's hard to avoid the Linux noise.  I installed it, just to see
>what all the fuss was about.  After WPS, it's hard to see
>the benefit in GUIs whose developers are still struggling
>with 'cut' and 'paste'. 

The unix shell is an aquired taste to be sure, I like it.  Gnome and KDE
are two answers to the WPS and the Windows Explorer.  I always loved the
WPS, just thought it was darn ugly.

>
>I have Win95 installed as well.  I'm sitting here typing this
>in OS/2 because it is still what I use 90% of the time.  It's
>solid and it works.  The existence of Linux does not affect
>that.

Market momentum does.  When the unix desktop matures it is going to be a
real threat to Windows.  Bill Gate realizes this and has started the
Unix/Linux fud campaign.

>
>I don't see the big deal here.  It looks to me like IBM
>leaks most of the goodies from (ongoing) Warp Server
>development, in the form of fixpacks for us "abandoned"
>client users.  Today we got the final build of Netscape
>4.61.  Who's abandoned?
>
>

From what I have read there will be no more free downloads soon, software
choice is going to all paid subscription.

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 03:29:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <37E6D8B3.F6B180AD@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>Sorry Bennie but you have to sit in my seat.  I oversee
>the largest OS/2-only private subscription web site on
>the 'Net which services thousands of OS/2 users.

Any proof to backup your claims?  Are you just lying again as usual?
>I have
>to deal with the reality of members writing to say, "Now
>that IBM has killed OS/2 will you help us move over to
>Linux and other supported operating systems?"

To bad you are to incompetent to help.

>
>Many see Brad to be a leader (self-proclaimed) within the
>OS/2  community.  That self-proclaimed leader has stepped
>forward and literally declared the end of any OS/2 future.

Can you provide proof that Brad is the "self-proclaimed" leader?  You
can't and insist on lying.  Sound like deep rooted jealousy to me.

>
>Look around you now.  The Register, one of the most
>well respected News Media Sources on the 'Net, is now
>running the "poor Brad" story and citing the death of
>OS/2 once again.  By the end of this week you'll see
>other commercial tech news sites reporting the final
>death of OS/2.  Folks like "Wired" "InfoWorld"  "CNET"
>"Mercury News"  "ZDNews" and so on.

The register is a joke.  Too bad IBM won't issue a press release saying
that they will be offering a new client.  I wonder why they won't do that?

>
>If you think many OS/2 users won't believe these
>constant flood of false stories and leave OS/2 then
>there's a golden bridge in San Francisco I'd love to
>sell you.

You don't expect them to believe a libeler like you do you?
>
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City
>http://warpcity.com
>"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
>
>
>
>


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From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net                         21-Sep-99 02:21:02
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: XFree86 and 127.0.0.1 Loopback

From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net

In <dF1xEfk5flPE-pn2-7rcpc8dstho7@h-207-148-137-150.dial.cadvision.com>,
rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) writes:
>I'm trying to setup XFree86 so I can try GIMP/2 but I can't seem to 
>get the 'localhost' 127.0.0.1 setup as loopback.  I've tried using 
>'INETD' and 'IFCONFIG lo 127.0.0.1 up' and also tried to use the 

inetd is the super daemon process.  You should only use it if you intend
to run some servers (like ftp or telnet).  The other command should be:

ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1

without the "up".  Also make sure you have the line:

127.0.0.1 localhost 

in x:\mptn\etc\hosts and x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts

 
J. Pedone
jpedone@flash.net
http://www.flash.net/~jpedone
 
Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore.
"Daddy, what does FORMATTING DRIVE C mean?"

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 21-Sep-99 02:47:16
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: hamei@pacbell.net

>Tim Martin wrote:
>> 
>> If you think many OS/2 users won't believe these
>> constant flood of false stories and leave OS/2 then
>> there's a golden bridge in San Francisco I'd love to
>> sell you.
>

hmm, where's that ? the one that goes from SF to Marin is orangey-red
and the one to Oakland is silver coloured. Truth in advertising, anyone ?  


sk†l !

----------------------------------------------------------
H„rad ’ngravv†rd
Windows NT - the Ornithopter of Operating Systems
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 21-Sep-99 03:01:23
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <vZs53kDg6lOR090yn@ibm.net>, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) writes:
>In article <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-3ZvQNoQd4ft6@agave.bitranch.com>,
>esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:15:33, Tarquelne <osric@apk.net> wrote:
>>
>>| I imagine 
>>
>>I recommend you don't make additional assumptions. The waters are
>>already muddied... there's no reason to stir them.
>>
>>Let's find out what _did_ happen, instead of speculating on what
>>_might_ have happened, okay?
>>
>>--Esther
>
>I agree 110% with Esther on this. There is already  too much
>speculation, and too many conflicting reports on this subject as it
>is.
>

In a nutshell, that's my beef with IBM. How about a little open and honest 
dissemination of intentions from the ONLY people who know their plans - 
IBM ? We all bought the product, we all have time and effort and money 
invested, whatever they want to do is their business, just TELL US ! then 
we can get on with our lives, decide what is best for us individually, not 
have to sift rumours and innuendo for scraps of insight.  Or does IBM shelter 
under the CIA umbrella now ? If anyone can be said to be responsible for the 
OS/2 FUD campaign, it'd be IBM for never being upfront with us. And YES, 
we deserve it - we bought the product, now come out and tell the truth,
get it over with !


>--
>**************************************************************
>*  Dan Casey                                                 *
>*  President                                                 *
>*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *


sk†l !

----------------------------------------------------------
H„rad ’ngravv†rd
Windows NT - the Ornithopter of Operating Systems
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               21-Sep-99 00:49:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
>
> Take it or leave it - Brad Wardell and Stardock have damaged
> the future of OS/2's user base.

Far less than you have Tim.

- Marty

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From: blnelson@visi.net                                 20-Sep-99 23:12:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Bennie Nelson <blnelson@visi.net>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Bennie Nelson wrote:
> 
> > Tim Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Skree@stubble.jumpers wrote:
> > >
> > > > Personally I think that Brad Wardell ( trying to keep the Brads
straight )
> > > > has done a wonderful job of getting all the vocal os/2 supporters
incensed
> > > > about this supposed statement/decision by IBM.
> > >
> > > Wardell has done that and much more.  He has single handedly
> > > chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2.
> >
> > Tim,
> > It seems to me that you've overplayed your hand, again.  You do have
> > a habit of that.  I doubt seriously that you can find and produce
> > any evidence to show that Brad W. has chased away a dozen people
> > from using OS/2.
> >
> > I much prefer the helpful Tim Martin who posts in the other
> > newsgroups.  I believe you have been shabbily treated by some
> > in this newsgroup, but you don't have to respond in the way you
> > do.  That only tends to stir other people up who don't know the
> > whole story.  Besides, as is so often the case, it's the guy who
> > swings second who draws the penalty flag.
> >
> > Please give it some thought.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bennie Nelson
> 
> Sorry Bennie but you have to sit in my seat.  I oversee
> the largest OS/2-only private subscription web site on
> the 'Net which services thousands of OS/2 users.  I have
> to deal with the reality of members writing to say, "Now
> that IBM has killed OS/2 will you help us move over to
> Linux and other supported operating systems?"
> 
> Many see Brad to be a leader (self-proclaimed) within the
> OS/2  community.  That self-proclaimed leader has stepped
> forward and literally declared the end of any OS/2 future.
> 
> Look around you now.  The Register, one of the most
> well respected News Media Sources on the 'Net, is now
> running the "poor Brad" story and citing the death of
> OS/2 once again.  By the end of this week you'll see
> other commercial tech news sites reporting the final
> death of OS/2.  Folks like "Wired" "InfoWorld"  "CNET"
> "Mercury News"  "ZDNews" and so on.
> 
> If you think many OS/2 users won't believe these
> constant flood of false stories and leave OS/2 then
> there's a golden bridge in San Francisco I'd love to
> sell you.

Tim,
You didn't supply any real evidence of real people
whom Brad Wardell has personally stopped from using
OS/2.  Anecdotal evidence is simply hearsay.  

Besides, I've been reading the OS/2 is dead stories for
years.  It's really amazing how these reporters and
pundits can repeat that message year after year and
do it with a straight face and still take themselves
seriously.  Those are the ones you should sell the
bridge to.

Thanks for the reply,
Bennie Nelson

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Sep-99 22:56:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.apps, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
spake unto us, saying:

>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:45:27, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) 
>wrote:
>
>| Whatever is happening is strange, yes.  I suspect many of us are quite
>| curious what The Real Story might be.
>
>Indeed.
>
>But be aware that, to find out, we'll have to gaze into the gaping maw
>of IBM politics. It's entirely possible that we'll _never_ find out 
>what actually happened.

Yes, that's possible.  Thank you for being a voice of sanity, Esther.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
         Press CTRL-ALT-INS-DEL-END-HOME-SHIFT-PAUSE to continue.

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 21:33:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Bennie Nelson wrote:

> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > Bennie Nelson wrote:
> >
> > > Tim Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Skree@stubble.jumpers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Personally I think that Brad Wardell ( trying to keep the Brads
straight )
> > > > > has done a wonderful job of getting all the vocal os/2 supporters
incensed
> > > > > about this supposed statement/decision by IBM.
> > > >
> > > > Wardell has done that and much more.  He has single handedly
> > > > chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2.
> > >
> > > Tim,
> > > It seems to me that you've overplayed your hand, again.  You do have
> > > a habit of that.  I doubt seriously that you can find and produce
> > > any evidence to show that Brad W. has chased away a dozen people
> > > from using OS/2.
> > >
> > > I much prefer the helpful Tim Martin who posts in the other
> > > newsgroups.  I believe you have been shabbily treated by some
> > > in this newsgroup, but you don't have to respond in the way you
> > > do.  That only tends to stir other people up who don't know the
> > > whole story.  Besides, as is so often the case, it's the guy who
> > > swings second who draws the penalty flag.
> > >
> > > Please give it some thought.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bennie Nelson
> >
> > Sorry Bennie but you have to sit in my seat.  I oversee
> > the largest OS/2-only private subscription web site on
> > the 'Net which services thousands of OS/2 users.  I have
> > to deal with the reality of members writing to say, "Now
> > that IBM has killed OS/2 will you help us move over to
> > Linux and other supported operating systems?"
> >
> > Many see Brad to be a leader (self-proclaimed) within the
> > OS/2  community.  That self-proclaimed leader has stepped
> > forward and literally declared the end of any OS/2 future.
> >
> > Look around you now.  The Register, one of the most
> > well respected News Media Sources on the 'Net, is now
> > running the "poor Brad" story and citing the death of
> > OS/2 once again.  By the end of this week you'll see
> > other commercial tech news sites reporting the final
> > death of OS/2.  Folks like "Wired" "InfoWorld"  "CNET"
> > "Mercury News"  "ZDNews" and so on.
> >
> > If you think many OS/2 users won't believe these
> > constant flood of false stories and leave OS/2 then
> > there's a golden bridge in San Francisco I'd love to
> > sell you.
>
> Tim,
> You didn't supply any real evidence of real people
> whom Brad Wardell has personally stopped from using
> OS/2.  Anecdotal evidence is simply hearsay.
>
> Besides, I've been reading the OS/2 is dead stories for
> years.  It's really amazing how these reporters and
> pundits can repeat that message year after year and
> do it with a straight face and still take themselves
> seriously.  Those are the ones you should sell the
> bridge to.
>
> Thanks for the reply,
> Bennie Nelson

Apparently you don't read these newsgroups.  Many
people have stated outrightly they intend on dropping
OS/2 and moving to other operating systems in reaction
to Wardell's public but false statement on the death of
OS/2.  I monitor these newsgroups, I have read them.
Take the time to peruse Deja News and you'll find them.
One company CEO has stated blankly he will drop his
present OS/2 systems for Linux and never give IBM the
time of day again.  He make this announcement in
response to Wardell's false statement on the death of
OS/2.

The false perception of the death of OS/2 coming from
a self-proclaimed "Number One OS/2 Software Developer"
is sufficient to chase many established OS/2 users away
and let's not even mention those who may have been
sitting on the fence.   You're a seasoned OS/2 user and
apparently wise enough to discount the peer pressure
imposed by those of the Microsoft persuasion.  Many
people are not but their current investment in OS/2 has
had them in a holding pattern.  Brad Wardell, a self-
proclaimed leader of the OS/2 community has spoken
directly to them and told them they have no future with
OS/2.  They have no future because IBM has turned
down Stardock's self-centered desire to provide a Stardock
version, chock with their buggy Stardock technologies and
plastered with the Stardock name, on to the IBM OS/2
customer.

Take it or leave it - Brad Wardell and Stardock have damaged
the future of OS/2's user base.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"


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From: heafnerj@interpath.com                            20-Sep-99 23:57:04
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: no sound in NS Comm 4.04 when new e-mail arrives

From: Joe Heafner <heafnerj@interpath.com>

Hi.

For some reason, I no longer hear a sound in Communicator 4.04 when new
a-mail arrives. As far as I know, all sound options are enabled.

Any suggestions?

			Thanks,

-- 

                        -- Joe Heafner

Joe Heafner, Astronomy and Physics Instructor. Work:(828)327-7000 x4246
my surname with my first initial at interpath dot com
http://home.interpath.com/heafnerj/

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          21-Sep-99 14:49:28
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 06:30:10
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I'm not having 100% luck with it. Pages that have a form/input box
don't display these properly. I just get an underline instead. It
<could> be a video thing but I doubt it. I'm running GRADD 0.79
on an ATI Mach 64. The 0.80 drivers don't work here.

Cheers

Wayne


On 21 Sep 1999 10:29:32 +1000, Khairil Yusof wrote:

:>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:34:55, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
:>
:>> Yep, you read that correctly. Netscape for OS/2, version  4.61 GA is
:>> now available for download at Software Choice.
:>
:>Just got it installed. All the bugs that I had with the beta version/4.04
have 
:>been fixed!! This included viewing an online banking page that was essential 
to 
:>me.
:>
:>Cool.. I get to say to my friends,
:>
:>"There was a bug in Netscape for which I sent an email to IBM and they fixed 

:>it!"
:>
:>Thank you to Mike, Jeff and the Netscape team.
:>
:>Now if only they had guys like these for Smartsuite :)
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
******************************************************



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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          21-Sep-99 15:17:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 06:30:10
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

Messed around with the default fonts and character sets.
Found I could use it if I used the Unicode character set.
All other fonts gave the same result. Weird.

Cheers

Wayne


On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:49:56 +0800, Wayne Bickell wrote:

:>I'm not having 100% luck with it. Pages that have a form/input box
:>don't display these properly. I just get an underline instead. It
:><could> be a video thing but I doubt it. I'm running GRADD 0.79
:>on an ATI Mach 64. The 0.80 drivers don't work here.
:>
:>Cheers
:>
:>Wayne
:>
:>
:>On 21 Sep 1999 10:29:32 +1000, Khairil Yusof wrote:
:>
:>:>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:34:55, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
:>:>
:>:>> Yep, you read that correctly. Netscape for OS/2, version  4.61 GA is
:>:>> now available for download at Software Choice.
:>:>
:>:>Just got it installed. All the bugs that I had with the beta version/4.04
have 
:>:>been fixed!! This included viewing an online banking page that was
essential to 
:>:>me.
:>:>
:>:>Cool.. I get to say to my friends,
:>:>
:>:>"There was a bug in Netscape for which I sent an email to IBM and they
fixed 
:>:>it!"
:>:>
:>:>Thank you to Mike, Jeff and the Netscape team.
:>:>
:>:>Now if only they had guys like these for Smartsuite :)
:>:>
:>:>
:>
:>******************************************************
:>Wayne Bickell
:>Tokyo, Japan
:>wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
:>******************************************************
:>           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
:>******************************************************
:>
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
******************************************************



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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 23:20:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 06:30:10
Subj: Testing Java Under New C/2 4.61

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

You are welcome to test your Java setup,
including sound effects, and the latest release
of Communicator for OS/2  with some of the
Java games at Warp City.  The following games
are open to the public:

Breakout, a Tennis-Type game with sound:
http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/breakout/breakout.html

Checkers - the professional graphical game:
http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/checkers/

LaserBlocks - an excellent Tetris (takes a good
minute to load but worth the wait):
http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/laser/game.htm

JigSaw Puzzle - clever, one-of-a-kind on the 'Net
http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/jigsaw/

And - you are always welcome to click on Warp
City's Java Screen Saver whenever online.  This
is great if you need to step away or take a phone
call at work.  Other viewers will stop in wonder.
Animated, with beautiful great backgrounds that
rotate, flying seagulls, rippling water, water pond
and rivers with bridges, a gorgeous rose and more.
Takes a moment to load the first time but again,
well worth the wait.  Once cached it loads quickly.
Bookmark this url:

http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/screen/

The Gamma release of Communicator/2 for OS/2 v4.61
is excellent for Java.  Give it a shot.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             21-Sep-99 06:54:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 06:30:10
Subj: Comm 4.61 GA DnD much better, but still not right

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

The good news is that the DnD is working better than beta 2

1. DnD a link to any folder, including shadows work.
2. Dnd to bookmark list works.
3. Dnd of images to/from browser/folders works.

But it's still not all there.

1. Ctrl-DnD doesn't create a copy of the html page as it did in 2.02
2. DnD brings the Comm window to the foreground.  It should stay in 
the background.
3. Dragging an image from the browser to PMView doesn't work.  This 
was broken in 2.02 as well.

Another bug of opening Comm with a profile, broken in beta2 is fixed.

Regards
Milind

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From: mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com                        21-Sep-99 08:22:04
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com (Mike Fry)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:02, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
wrote:

> This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows it 
> dated today:
> 
> 	ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe

Tried downloading this twice using NS2.02 from the HTTP reference. Guess
what? Finally been hit by this downloading problem! Funny thing is, on 
both occasions it stopped at exactly the same place. Must be some sort 
of time limitation at the site.

> 
> It sure appears to be the final build. And on an open FTP site, as well.

Also tried to resume the interrupted download using FTP Browser. Had 
some weird things happen. The TCP packets arriving at my machine had a 
destination port number that bore no resemblance to what ports were in 
use by FTP Browser.

Regards,
MIKE FRY
mailto:mikefry@iafrica.com

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From: Super_Copy@yahoo.com                              21-Sep-99 07:47:21
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Shareware: Super Copy for DOS v1.00

From: Super_Copy@yahoo.com (Super Copy)

The shareware application described below is now available for downloadat
        http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win3/util/scdos100.zip/
        ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/fileutil/scdos100.zip
and all mirrors thereof. For more download sites, please search for the
string "scdos100" at any major web search engine.
The shareware version is fully-functional, with no "nagging" displaysor
prompts whatsoever. A MUST-HAVE for anyone who uses removable media in
his/her PC!
Commercial versions for Win32 and OS/2 are available! See "readme.txt"
for details.
===============================================================================
=
Description

"Super Copy" is a command-line utility for copying and backing up
files.It is meant to replace the functionality of the "copy" and
"xcopy"commands
provided by DOS and other more advanced operating systems. Furthermore
"Super Copy" provides the special capability to selectively copy files
from one removable disk (or any comparable medium) to another even ifyou
only have a single disk drive to operate such media. We call thisfeature
"one-drive selective copy".

Advantages

"Super Copy" has the following functional advantages over competingutilities:

1) Optimized memory usage: can use all available memory under DOS.
Runs in 80386 protected mode, taking advantage of the greater memory
capabilities of modern CPUs. "Super Copy" is capable of addressing up
to 4 GigaBytes of memory, subject to the limitations of the operatingsystem.

2) OS compatibility: runs in compatibility modem under Windows (3.1,
4.0 "Windows 95", 4.1 "Windows 98"), Windows NT and OS/2.
"Super Copy" can even use virtual memory under these operating systems.

3) Conveniently copy files or entire directory structures betweenremovable
disks with a minimum amount of disk swapping. You will not be bothered
by a myriad of prompts asking you:        "Please insert source disk"
        "Please insert destination disk"
over and over. You will not have to copy an entire disk when all you
want to do is copy one or two files from one disk to another.

4) A simple command-line syntax, similar to the "xcopy.exe" command. If
you already know how to use "xcopy", learning to use "Super Copy"shouldbe
almost instantaneous. Another advantage of a similar syntax is that you
can call "Super Copy" from within your existing batch files with aminimal
amount of modifications.

5) Tested for compatibility with storage products from majormanufacturers:
        "Zip drive" from IOMega Corp.        "SyJet" from SyQuest Corp.
just to name a few.
This utility relies on the operating system to support variousconnections
and transport protocols for storage devices, and therefore iscompatiblewith
        IDE (EIDE, ATA, UDMA)
        SCSI (Fast-SCSI, Ultra-SCSI, Wide-SCSI)
and more.

6) Y2K compliant. "Super Copy" will discern and compare properly file
dates at 1 January 2000 and beyond.

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             21-Sep-99 09:08:00
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: jsjones@selectric.net

I got only 75% of the way through.

I decided to use that old workhorse, Web Explorer, and got remarkably good 
throughput.

In <EdHxIHxd9CDV-pn2-ZwO9bZw79I89@minitower>, mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com (Mike 
Fry) writes:
>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:02, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
>wrote:
>
>> This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows it 
>> dated today:
>> 
>> 	ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
>
>Tried downloading this twice using NS2.02 from the HTTP reference. Guess
>what? Finally been hit by this downloading problem! Funny thing is, on 
>both occasions it stopped at exactly the same place. Must be some sort 
>of time limitation at the site.
>
>> 
>> It sure appears to be the final build. And on an open FTP site, as well.
>
>Also tried to resume the interrupted download using FTP Browser. Had 
>some weird things happen. The TCP packets arriving at my machine had a 
>destination port number that bore no resemblance to what ports were in 
>use by FTP Browser.
>
>Regards,
>MIKE FRY
>mailto:mikefry@iafrica.com


selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          21-Sep-99 09:26:02
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:08:01, jsjones@selectric.net a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> I got only 75% of the way through.
> 
> I decided to use that old workhorse, Web Explorer, and got remarkably good 
> throughput.

Tried NFTP? The best thing going, at:

	http://www.ayukov.com/nftp/index.html



> 
> In <EdHxIHxd9CDV-pn2-ZwO9bZw79I89@minitower>, mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com
(Mike Fry) writes:
> >On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:02, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows it 
> >> dated today:
> >> 
> >> 	ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
> >
> >Tried downloading this twice using NS2.02 from the HTTP reference. Guess
> >what? Finally been hit by this downloading problem! Funny thing is, on 
> >both occasions it stopped at exactly the same place. Must be some sort 
> >of time limitation at the site.
> >
> >> 
> >> It sure appears to be the final build. And on an open FTP site, as well.
> >
> >Also tried to resume the interrupted download using FTP Browser. Had 
> >some weird things happen. The TCP packets arriving at my machine had a 
> >destination port number that bore no resemblance to what ports were in 
> >use by FTP Browser.
> >
> >Regards,
> >MIKE FRY
> >mailto:mikefry@iafrica.com
> 
> 
> selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.
> 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          21-Sep-99 09:25:18
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:22:09, mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com (Mike Fry) a Úcrit
dans un message:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:02, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
> wrote:
> 
> > This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows it 
> > dated today:
> > 
> > 	ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
> 
> Tried downloading this twice using NS2.02 from the HTTP reference. Guess
> what? Finally been hit by this downloading problem! Funny thing is, on 
> both occasions it stopped at exactly the same place. Must be some sort 
> of time limitation at the site.
> 
> > 
> > It sure appears to be the final build. And on an open FTP site, as well.
> 
> Also tried to resume the interrupted download using FTP Browser. Had 
> some weird things happen. The TCP packets arriving at my machine had a 
> destination port number that bore no resemblance to what ports were in 
> use by FTP Browser.

Tried NFTP? The best thing going, at:

	http://www.ayukov.com/nftp/index.html


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: Markus.Quandt@gmx.net                             21-Sep-99 11:45:20
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Problems with upgraded Lotus Approach 1.1.1?

From: Markus Quandt <Markus.Quandt@gmx.net>

Same here, Approach would display a form just once and then never
overwrite the display of the "work area" when other forms were selected.
Didn't really hang, though, just no refreshing.
All this using FP9 and GRADD drivers on S3.

I was brave and just replaced the 1.1 version of APPROACH.EXE with the
one from the 1.0.1 install and left the other (new) 1.1 files in place.
Starts ok, displays normally again, but I didn't any real work since
that change, so problems with the version mix are still liable to
surface....

Good luck, MQ

"www.girlsagent.com" schrieb:
> 
> I found it would hang when I switch from the main menu to a customer form
and
> then try to go to something else. I reinstalled the old components to get it
> working again.
> 
> Pete
> >Gidday
> >
> >Has anyone else had problems with Approach after applying the upgrade
files?
> >I found it almost hung - which caused me to re-install 1.1.
> >Comments?
> >Shane Baker

-- 
__________________________________________________________________
Markus Quandt     quandt@wiso.uni-koeln.de | Markus.Quandt@gmx.net
  Institut f. Angewandte Sozialforschung der Universitaet zu Koeln
  Greinstr. 2     50939 Koeln
  Tel. +49-221/470-4232                      Fax. +49-221/470-5169
  Find my PGP public key and other information here:
http://www.uni-koeln.de/wiso-fak/ifas/html/personal/homepage/quandt-markus/inde
x.html

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          21-Sep-99 09:27:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:49:56, "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp> a 
Úcrit dans un message:

> I'm not having 100% luck with it. Pages that have a form/input box
> don't display these properly. I just get an underline instead. It
> <could> be a video thing but I doubt it. I'm running GRADD 0.79
> on an ATI Mach 64. The 0.80 drivers don't work here.

Try resetting the NS fonts to the Default selections. I think there was a 
bug in the selection from the earlier betas, because I couldn't see some 
pages until I did this.


> 
> Cheers
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> On 21 Sep 1999 10:29:32 +1000, Khairil Yusof wrote:
> 
> :>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:34:55, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
> :>
> :>> Yep, you read that correctly. Netscape for OS/2, version  4.61 GA is
> :>> now available for download at Software Choice.
> :>
> :>Just got it installed. All the bugs that I had with the beta version/4.04
have 
> :>been fixed!! This included viewing an online banking page that was
essential to 
> :>me.
> :>
> :>Cool.. I get to say to my friends,
> :>
> :>"There was a bug in Netscape for which I sent an email to IBM and they
fixed 
> :>it!"
> :>
> :>Thank you to Mike, Jeff and the Netscape team.
> :>
> :>Now if only they had guys like these for Smartsuite :)
> :>
> :>
> 
> ******************************************************
> Wayne Bickell
> Tokyo, Japan
> wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
> ******************************************************
>            Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
> ******************************************************
> 
> 
> 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               21-Sep-99 10:21:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: NS 4.61 kills 2.02 sound

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

I have 2.02, 4.04 and 4.61 installed.  After installing the GA release
of 4.61 I tried to play a wav file in 2.02.  I got a message that 
either the multimedia pack was installed incorrectly or there wasn't 
enough memory.  4.61 works fine.

I remember this problem existing when 4.04 came out.  As I recall the 
fix was to backlevel a couple of .dll files.  Does anyone else have 
this problem, and if so, what files do I need to backlevel (and to 
what level)?

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          21-Sep-99 19:59:10
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I finally set them to "User Defined" which is the same as
"Western" and now everything is fine.

Cheers

Wayne


On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:27:19 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

:>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:49:56, "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp> a 
:>Úcrit dans un message:
:>
:>> I'm not having 100% luck with it. Pages that have a form/input box
:>> don't display these properly. I just get an underline instead. It
:>> <could> be a video thing but I doubt it. I'm running GRADD 0.79
:>> on an ATI Mach 64. The 0.80 drivers don't work here.
:>
:>Try resetting the NS fonts to the Default selections. I think there was a 
:>bug in the selection from the earlier betas, because I couldn't see some 
:>pages until I did this.
:>
:>
:>> 
:>> Cheers
:>> 
:>> Wayne
:>> 
:>> 
:>> On 21 Sep 1999 10:29:32 +1000, Khairil Yusof wrote:
:>> 
:>> :>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:34:55, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
:>> :>
:>> :>> Yep, you read that correctly. Netscape for OS/2, version  4.61 GA is
:>> :>> now available for download at Software Choice.
:>> :>
:>> :>Just got it installed. All the bugs that I had with the beta
version/4.04 have 
:>> :>been fixed!! This included viewing an online banking page that was
essential to 
:>> :>me.
:>> :>
:>> :>Cool.. I get to say to my friends,
:>> :>
:>> :>"There was a bug in Netscape for which I sent an email to IBM and they
fixed 
:>> :>it!"
:>> :>
:>> :>Thank you to Mike, Jeff and the Netscape team.
:>> :>
:>> :>Now if only they had guys like these for Smartsuite :)
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> 
:>> ******************************************************
:>> Wayne Bickell
:>> Tokyo, Japan
:>> wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
:>> ******************************************************
:>>            Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
:>> ******************************************************
:>> 
:>> 
:>> 
:>
:>Good luck,
:>
:>Buddy
:>
:>Buddy Donnelly
:>donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
******************************************************



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From: Spammers@Bite.Me                                  21-Sep-99 11:38:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Testing Java Under New C/2 4.61

From: "Jaime A. Cruz, Jr." <Spammers@Bite.Me>

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What's wrong with the GA release??

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:20:26 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:

>The Gamma release of Communicator/2 for OS/2 v4.61
>is excellent for Java.  Give it a shot.

Jaime A. Cruz, Jr.

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From: bnc@webone.com.au                                 21-Sep-99 22:04:01
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Smartcache and Comm 4.04 problem

From: bnc@webone.com.au

I agree with Buddy absolutely no problem here.
You could try running your Netscape cache at zero.
Brian
PS this writes everything to disk, I do not know what happens if you run out
of
disk space.

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-uG6drkoZVDCZ@yourmachine.yourlocaldomain.yourisp>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:14:41, Christian Hennecke 
><christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> a ‚crit dans un message:
>
>> 
>> After all the advertising here for Smartcache :-) I decided to give it a
>> try. Netscape's cache is set to 2MB memory and no disk cache, SmartCache
>> is set to 10MB. I am using Warp 4 FP11 and Java 1.1.8 with the latest
>> fix.
>> What happens is that I often get a CPU load of 100% and memory is eaten
>> up also. As soon as I close Netscape all is normal again. What's that?
>> Maybe something's really wrong with Java 1.1.8?
>
>I haven't seen that behaviour here, again with latest Java118, etc. I've 
>got 50MB allowed, but that's been increased only recently. 
>
>I'd first tend to suspect something slightly out of kilter in SCACHE.CNF, 
>so you might try swapping in a copy of the stock version (or as near stock 
>as possible) and see if it still happens?
>
>You probably have CACHE.LOG enabled, so check the last entry in that to see
>what URL you were on when the trouble showed up?
>
>What are the Java settings in NS/2? ( Edit | Preferences | OS/2 Preferences
>| IBM Java Properties ) You might try toggling the option "-nojit" to see 
>what changes. Adding this disables the "just in time" compiler, and 
>different people have reported different results with this in or out.
>
>
>Good luck,
>
>Buddy
>
>Buddy Donnelly
>donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
>
>

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             20-Sep-99 20:25:21
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: DB2 Installation (continued)

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On 19 Sep 1999 19:28:20 GMT, Jerry Prather wrote:

>I get the notebook screen, but the notebook is totally greyed
>out.  I agree that I probably have an installation problem.  My
>problem is likely that I don't know which options to select or
>have a feel for what information is being asked for.  Are there
>some instructions you can point to?

If your tcp/ip notebook is 'greyed out' meaning you cannot enter
anything into it then you probably don't have any network protocol
installed. Have you EVER had any type of network interface on this
machine? And, if so, what was it? In the tcp/ip notebook, the first
page has a list of available lans in a MLE. (LAN interface 0, LAN
interface 1 -> LAN interface 7) At the bottom of this list should be a
'loopback interface'. Is that listed there? If none of that is there,
then the first thing I would suggest is to run selective
install/uninstall and UNinstall all networking, reboot, the run it
again and select to install tcp/ip only and the loopback. Then install
any of the tcp/ip updates you want. 


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From: bnc@webone.com.au                                 21-Sep-99 22:13:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: RE: OS2 PDF Software

From: bnc@webone.com.au

Firstly thanks Carlos for this Gem.

I set up the rexx cmd file as below but changed the directory structure
as I am running GS5.50.
Then put an object for the cmd on the desktop.

Now I drag a PS file onto the object and a PDF file is created.
NOTE: I do NOT print it to a file first.

Tried a few documents, most come out great but for one the font did not
convert
too well.

Brian



From: Carlos Enrique Le Mare Concha <clemare@207.79.141.19>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: OS2 PDF software
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:58:37 -0600
Message-ID: <37E078FB.60C30027@207.79.141.19>
References: <tzpyrbqvqverpgpbz.fi0di70.pminews@bigmomma.idirect.com>
<albD3.178$W4.40236@news.itd.umich.edu>
<Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-TK7dBh6ELLFg@yourmachine.yourlocaldomain.yourisp>
Reply-To: clemare@olivia.ing.uvimar.cl



Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:26:14, cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall) a ‚crit dans un
> message:
>
> > In <tzpyrbqvqverpgpbz.fi0di70.pminews@bigmomma.idirect.com>, "gordon
mcleod" <gmcleod@idirect.com> writes:
> > >Is there  software that is native OS2 to generate PDF files
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Ghostview, but there are limitations on fonts.
>
> What limitations on fonts?
>
> Good luck,
>
> Buddy
>
> Buddy Donnelly
> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com

I download Ghostview, but when I try to create a PDF file I can't. But I found 
this rexx
file, that I modified to adapt to my configuration.

/* ps2pdf.cmd Convert PostScript to PDF on os/2 */
/* Written by Arjen Meijer */
/* 19 januari 1998 changed on 20 september 1998 and 5 april 1999*/

PS2PDFGS="C:\Programas\gstools\gs5.10\gsos2.exe"
PS2PDFPARAMS="-q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE#pdfwrite"
PS2PDFOPT="-IC:\Programas\gstools\gs5.10;C:\Programas\gstools\gs5.10\fonts;c:\p
sfonts"

arg psfile pdffile tail                    /* get input file parameter */

if psfile='' then do
        say 'Nothing to do. Start with a postscript file name. Hit enter to
end.'
        pull enter
        exit
end                            /* end Do */

if pdffile = "" then pdffile =left(psfile,LastPos(".",psfile)-1)".PDF"

address cmd PS2PDFGS PS2PDFPARAMS PS2PDFOPT tail"-sOutputFile#"pdffile" -c
save pop -f "psfile
exit

Then I drag a PS file generated with a PostScript Printer driver (output to a
file) and drop it to my rexx
program ps2pdf.cmd. Try it.

Carlos E. Le Mare C.
clemare@yahoo.com
clemare@olivia.ing.uvimar.cl

PD: Excuse my english.



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From: nickdanger@null.spamTHIS.net                      21-Sep-99 06:56:08
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:10
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Nick Danger" <nickdanger@null.spamTHIS.net>

On 21 Sep 1999 12:56:16 GMT, Esther Schindler wrote:

> .....purposefully  vague.
> 
> I'm not saying that this is the right thing to do, but it's a common 
> corporate thing to do. <sigh>

That's because it's a common lawyer thing to sue them
unless their predictions of the future are 100% accurate.


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From: joe@schmo.com                                     21-Sep-99 08:49:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:10
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 kills 2.02 sound

From: joe@schmo.com

I believe the easiest way to fix this is to backup your NPOS2*.DLL files
in your 2.02 plugins directory and then copy your 4.61 (NPOS2*.DLL) files
into your 2.02 plugins directory.

Note I have not tested this, it is based on what I know about the code
changes.

Please let me know if it works.

Also, PLEASE back up your 2.02 plugin files before overwriting them :)

Thanks

Mike Kaply
IBM

Mark Klebanoff wrote:

> I have 2.02, 4.04 and 4.61 installed.  After installing the GA release
> of 4.61 I tried to play a wav file in 2.02.  I got a message that
> either the multimedia pack was installed incorrectly or there wasn't
> enough memory.  4.61 works fine.
>
> I remember this problem existing when 4.04 came out.  As I recall the
> fix was to backlevel a couple of .dll files.  Does anyone else have
> this problem, and if so, what files do I need to backlevel (and to
> what level)?

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From: jmalloy@borg.com                                  21-Sep-99 10:17:01
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com>

Ugh.  Tholen tholened:\

> I guess it depends on how you choose to place the blame.  Several
> other people have posted their own interpretations of Brad's latest
> message regarding no client from Stardock, and I've seen several
> people comment on how they're going to start looking at Linux as a
> result.

It depends on how you wish to apportion the blame.  Several other people
have written about the kooks in this group -- Tholen chief among those
kooks -- and have decided on other OSs regardless of anything Brad has said.


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 08:19:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Testing Java Under New C/2 4.61

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

>
> ???
>
> What's wrong with the GA release??
>
> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:20:26 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
>
> >The Gamma release of Communicator/2 for OS/2 v4.61
> >is excellent for Java.  Give it a shot.

Sorry.  My mistake.  I meant "GA" release of Communicator/2
for OS/2 version 4.61.

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          21-Sep-99 21:02:18
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I Tried it once with 2.02 using their HTTP download and it crashed.
Tried again using the FTP option and everything was fine.

Cheers

Wayne


On 21 Sep 1999 08:22:09 GMT, Mike Fry wrote:

:>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:02, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
:>wrote:
:>
:>> This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows it 
:>> dated today:
:>> 
:>> 	ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
:>
:>Tried downloading this twice using NS2.02 from the HTTP reference. Guess
:>what? Finally been hit by this downloading problem! Funny thing is, on 
:>both occasions it stopped at exactly the same place. Must be some sort 
:>of time limitation at the site.
:>
:>> 
:>> It sure appears to be the final build. And on an open FTP site, as well.
:>
:>Also tried to resume the interrupted download using FTP Browser. Had 
:>some weird things happen. The TCP packets arriving at my machine had a 
:>destination port number that bore no resemblance to what ports were in 
:>use by FTP Browser.
:>
:>Regards,
:>MIKE FRY
:>mailto:mikefry@iafrica.com

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          21-Sep-99 12:49:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Bennie Nelson wrote:
> 
> > Apparently, you aren't reading my posts.  I have asked you
> > to provide the evidence to support your claim.  Now you're
> > trying to say I won't provide you with evidence to support
> > your claim.  I'm not going to do that.  You've made a bold
> > claim, and I've called you on it.  You've made some general
> > statements below, but none can be rightly labeled as
> > evidence.
> >
> 
> Here's the main point Bennie.  The evidence is before
> you.  You've seen other posters writing here in these
> newsgroups of their desertion from OS/2.  If I listed a
> hundred you'd say it was enough.
> 
> I won't play that kind of game with you.  I don't work
> for you and you can ignore or fall into the "you're a
> liar" category others use when they can't win the game.

Tim,
I will not engage in ceaseless and senseless name calling.
I did not use the word liar nor did I introduce the concept
into this thread.  The word liar is slung around this
newsgroup by others, but not by me.

I have requested that you support what you have asserted.
You refuse to do that.  I am not to blame for your refusal
to supply proof for your statements: you must accept that
responsibility or hide from it, as you choose.

I do not accept anecdotal stories from strangers as found in
USENET as proof.  Why?  Because email addresses are so easy 
to counterfeit.  That may be arbitrary on my part, but I
believe it is quite reasonable.  Now, if there is incontrovertible
evidence from a source other than USENET, then I will consider
the USENET data in light of the other information.  But, to
solely rely upon USENET is not, in my estimation, sufficient
for establishing your position.  

It is too easy for Microsofties to mount an anti-OS2 FUD
campaign on USENET referencing the SD decision.  That tactic
has been used before by Microsofties.  Do you see why I won't 
accept USENET alone?  

If you want to establish and maintain credibility, then there 
are rules to be followed.  If you violate any or all those 
rules, don't be surprised when people don't believe you.



> 
> > Perhaps my meaning in using the word evidence has not been
> > clear.   From Webster's:
> >
> > evidence: something that furnishes proof; testimony
> 
> As stated above, the evidence lies in Deja News.  You
> refuse to go and get it.  You insist I go and get it for
> you.  I don't work for you.  You get it.  You read it.
> 
> > You have made a claim: Brad Wardell has caused people to stop
> > using OS/2.  What proof do you offer other than hearsay and
> > anecdotal stories?  Neither of those constitutes proof.  You
> > have not supplied one link that substantiates even one user's
> > decision.
> 
> None is needed because those posters have already made
> their public statements here in these newsgroups.  The evidence
> is there.  You simply refuse to look for it.

You are correct.  I won't accept USENET alone.  It's not a
credible source, as I noted above.

> 
> > Furthermore, you have stated that B.W. "has single handedly
> > chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2."
> 
> Then don't believe it.  Time will tell.  Ignore it.  Call it a falsehood.
> Call it bravado opinion.  I do not claim to be a leader of the
> community just an OS/2 advocate who lives in the world of OS/2.
> I report what I see and hear.
> 
> > Frankly, I believe your statement is an exaggeration of the
> > truth, at best.  The reports surrounding the "decision" may
> > have caused some to drop OS/2,
> 
> Now you've got a problem.  If it caused even ONE person
> to drop OS/2 that was unnecessary.  Had Brad Wardell
> simply kept his mouth shut, kept his negotions private
> and out of the newsgroups and made no public statement
> in which he purports to speak for IBM and declares, in
> essence, that OS/2 is dead then that one person would
> still be using OS/2.  But thousands of people read these
> newsgroups all around the world  And thousands more
> read the public OS/2 web sites.  Yet they don't post here,
> they don't let their names be known.  It is those thousands
> who will take Brad's false message to heart and walk
> quietly away from OS/2.  And they do it because they
> read a message from a man who heads a software company
> that purports to be the number one OS/2 software developer.

I'll grant you that the situation could have and probably 
should have been concluded and reported in a different
way.  But, I do believe that Brad Wardell wanted to be
successful in providing the world with the next OS/2 client,
and it's quite possible that, after as much effort as was
apparently expended, there was quite a letdown when the
proposal was rejected.

But, I still maintain that this incident alone is not
responsible for any exodus of users from the OS/2 install
base.

> 
> > but not because of B.W. alone.
> > IBM's track record has far more to do with decisions against
> > OS/2 than this one isolated event, which, to some, may be the
> > last straw.
> 
> Yet IBM has made no decision regarding ever releasing a
> Warp 5 client - unless you believe Brad Wardell.  And that's
> exactly what Brad Wardell wants people to believe.  For
> two reasons (in my opinion).  (1) To strike out against IBM
> in the most venditive way possible because he didn't get
> his way and (2) to help shift his OS/2 customers over to
> Microsoft operating systems where he makes his money.
> 
> (1)  Brad has demonstrated his childish vendictive attitude
> time and again in these newsgroups and he's been called
> on it.  He has stooped to calling me, a proven OS/2 advocate,
> every vile name in the book.  He has publicly threated to sue
> me if I speak out about his unethical activities.
> 
> (2)  Stardock has in every sense of the word, dropped OS/2.
> The staff don't use it on their own work stations (as evidenced
> here by their postings), they have publicly stated there is little
> to no reason for them to develop OS/2 software because there
> is no market for it (yet I have over 6,000 registered OS/2 users
> and I'm a private site who limits the number of members
> for God's sake) and Stardock spends the largest proportion
> of the R&D dollars to develop applications for the Microsoft
> operating system yet they are a 'nobody' in the world of
> Microsoft software developers.  Converted OS/2 users
> (to MS systems) give them at least some semblence of
> being a Microsoft player.  Stardock's forte has always been
> marketing, not quality product.
> 
> > Tim, it seems to me that you'll do better in this newsgroup
> > if you stay away from hyperbole and exaggeration.
> 
> What seems to you is irrelevant.

Is it, really?  I have stated that you have been shabbily treated
by some in this newsgroup.  Is that also irrelevant?  But, as I've 
said before, I appreciate what you've posted in the other OS/2 
newsgroups much more than the style you so often adopt in cooa.
I hope that you'll reconsider your position.

>  I do quite well in these
> newsgroups thank you.  I am but one of the few true OS/2
> advocates who is willing to step to the edge and point
> out the the fox in sheep's clothing.   I love OS/2 and I won't
> give it up until they pry it out of my dead cold hands.  And
> I'll be damned if I'm going to let some little weasle who
> runs a Windows software development company pull the
> wool over the eyes of unsuspecting or naive OS/2 users
> and chase them away to be eaten up by Microsoft.
> 
> I've spent many months in these newsgroups pointing
> out time and again Stardock's "Warp 5" campaign was
> folly and vaporware.  I was called every name in the book
> by those who believe they've been left behind by IBM
> and Stardock was our only hope. Threatened by Wardell
> himself time and again for calling a spade a spade - for
> claiming smoke when there was no fire.
> 
> Yet here we are today.  There is no Stardock Warp 5
> product and there is a public statement from Brad
> Wardell which purports to speak on behalf of IBM.
> That statement says falsely that OS/2 has no future.
> 
> What has no future is the Stardock Warp 5 ripoff.
> IBM was wise.  I applaud their decision.  I hope another
> more respected OS/2 entity steps forward and is given
> the green light to provide a serious Warp 5 product.

I have not considered the Stardock proposal for a new
Warp client to be the best solution.  I also hope that
a better solution is found and pursued by IBM. 

Regards,
Bennie Nelson

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 09:23:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Bennie Nelson wrote:

> Apparently, you aren't reading my posts.  I have asked you
> to provide the evidence to support your claim.  Now you're
> trying to say I won't provide you with evidence to support
> your claim.  I'm not going to do that.  You've made a bold
> claim, and I've called you on it.  You've made some general
> statements below, but none can be rightly labeled as
> evidence.
>

Here's the main point Bennie.  The evidence is before
you.  You've seen other posters writing here in these
newsgroups of their desertion from OS/2.  If I listed a
hundred you'd say it was enough.

I won't play that kind of game with you.  I don't work
for you and you can ignore or fall into the "you're a
liar" category others use when they can't win the game.

> Perhaps my meaning in using the word evidence has not been
> clear.   From Webster's:
>
> evidence: something that furnishes proof; testimony

As stated above, the evidence lies in Deja News.  You
refuse to go and get it.  You insist I go and get it for
you.  I don't work for you.  You get it.  You read it.

> You have made a claim: Brad Wardell has caused people to stop
> using OS/2.  What proof do you offer other than hearsay and
> anecdotal stories?  Neither of those constitutes proof.  You
> have not supplied one link that substantiates even one user's
> decision.

None is needed because those posters have already made
their public statements here in these newsgroups.  The evidence
is there.  You simply refuse to look for it.

> Furthermore, you have stated that B.W. "has single handedly
> chased hundreds if not thousands of OS/2 users away from OS/2."

Then don't believe it.  Time will tell.  Ignore it.  Call it a falsehood.
Call it bravado opinion.  I do not claim to be a leader of the
community just an OS/2 advocate who lives in the world of OS/2.
I report what I see and hear.

> Frankly, I believe your statement is an exaggeration of the
> truth, at best.  The reports surrounding the "decision" may
> have caused some to drop OS/2,

Now you've got a problem.  If it caused even ONE person
to drop OS/2 that was unnecessary.  Had Brad Wardell
simply kept his mouth shut, kept his negotions private
and out of the newsgroups and made no public statement
in which he purports to speak for IBM and declares, in
essence, that OS/2 is dead then that one person would
still be using OS/2.  But thousands of people read these
newsgroups all around the world  And thousands more
read the public OS/2 web sites.  Yet they don't post here,
they don't let their names be known.  It is those thousands
who will take Brad's false message to heart and walk
quietly away from OS/2.  And they do it because they
read a message from a man who heads a software company
that purports to be the number one OS/2 software developer.

> but not because of B.W. alone.
> IBM's track record has far more to do with decisions against
> OS/2 than this one isolated event, which, to some, may be the
> last straw.

Yet IBM has made no decision regarding ever releasing a
Warp 5 client - unless you believe Brad Wardell.  And that's
exactly what Brad Wardell wants people to believe.  For
two reasons (in my opinion).  (1) To strike out against IBM
in the most venditive way possible because he didn't get
his way and (2) to help shift his OS/2 customers over to
Microsoft operating systems where he makes his money.

(1)  Brad has demonstrated his childish vendictive attitude
time and again in these newsgroups and he's been called
on it.  He has stooped to calling me, a proven OS/2 advocate,
every vile name in the book.  He has publicly threated to sue
me if I speak out about his unethical activities.

(2)  Stardock has in every sense of the word, dropped OS/2.
The staff don't use it on their own work stations (as evidenced
here by their postings), they have publicly stated there is little
to no reason for them to develop OS/2 software because there
is no market for it (yet I have over 6,000 registered OS/2 users
and I'm a private site who limits the number of members
for God's sake) and Stardock spends the largest proportion
of the R&D dollars to develop applications for the Microsoft
operating system yet they are a 'nobody' in the world of
Microsoft software developers.  Converted OS/2 users
(to MS systems) give them at least some semblence of
being a Microsoft player.  Stardock's forte has always been
marketing, not quality product.

> Tim, it seems to me that you'll do better in this newsgroup
> if you stay away from hyperbole and exaggeration.

What seems to you is irrelevant.  I do quite well in these
newsgroups thank you.  I am but one of the few true OS/2
advocates who is willing to step to the edge and point
out the the fox in sheep's clothing.   I love OS/2 and I won't
give it up until they pry it out of my dead cold hands.  And
I'll be damned if I'm going to let some little weasle who
runs a Windows software development company pull the
wool over the eyes of unsuspecting or naive OS/2 users
and chase them away to be eaten up by Microsoft.

I've spent many months in these newsgroups pointing
out time and again Stardock's "Warp 5" campaign was
folly and vaporware.  I was called every name in the book
by those who believe they've been left behind by IBM
and Stardock was our only hope. Threatened by Wardell
himself time and again for calling a spade a spade - for
claiming smoke when there was no fire.

Yet here we are today.  There is no Stardock Warp 5
product and there is a public statement from Brad
Wardell which purports to speak on behalf of IBM.
That statement says falsely that OS/2 has no future.

What has no future is the Stardock Warp 5 ripoff.
IBM was wise.  I applaud their decision.  I hope another
more respected OS/2 entity steps forward and is given
the green light to provide a serious Warp 5 product.

>
> Regards,
> Bennie Nelson

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               21-Sep-99 16:59:26
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:17:15, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

| I chose to speak out about it, to let OS/2 users
| know and to not sweep it under the rug or protect the guilty.

So you say.

You haven't even backed up your claims that harm was done to the OS/2 
community.

When someone gives me information in confidence, I keep that 
confidence.

--Esther


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From: mkaply@NPSPAMus.ibm.com                           21-Sep-99 11:26:00
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NPSPAMus.ibm.com>

EASY EASY FIX!!!!

Change default font from Courier New to Courier.

It appears Matrox does not support Courier New.

See my previous post!

Mike Kaply
IBM

Don Buska wrote:

> I just tried the 4.61 GA and it has problems here.  While browsing the
> first thing I noticed was any site that have entry fields (search
> engines or eBay for example) the fields are gone!  It appears they are
> there but have been reduced to the size of a small line about one
> character width.  I did noticed that I would get the cursor to change to
> a text entry form (from arrow to the "I" looking text entry style) if I
> carefully placed it over the small line.  However, if I attempt to enter
> text at that point it doesn't take it!
>
> I backed out of 4.61 GA and reinstalled 4.61 Beta and all has returned
> to normal again.  Looks like the GA release is one step backward for me.
>
> I am using a 200MHz Pentium board with 128MB RAM.  Video is a Matrox
> Mellinium II 8MB PCI at 1600X1200.
>
> Let's see if others have the same problem.
>
> Don

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From: cguldber@eunet.no                                 21-Sep-99 19:39:24
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Win16  plugins under Netscape Communicator 4.61

From: "Cato A. Guldberg" <cguldber@eunet.no>

Dear OS/2-friends,

    I recently installed Netscape Communicator 4.61 (seems to work fine,
by the way) over my old Netscape Communicator 4.04 (with latest fixpak).
However, I seem to have lost my Win16 plugins during this install, at
least, they are not indexed in the "about:plugins". I tried to copy the
necessary DLL-files to the NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\PLUGINS directory, but
apparently without any success. Can anybody help me with this problem?

Yours,


Cato A. Guldberg.
--
Cato A. Guldberg, M.D.
Oscar Wistings gate 61 B
N-4019 STAVANGER, Norway.
Phone:    +47 51 58 23 35
Fax:      +47 51 52 50 03
e-mail:   cguldber@eunet.no


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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           21-Sep-99 17:55:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-8d6cPSEIjuP4@agave.bitranch.com>, on 09/21/99 
   at 12:41 PM, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) said:

>| > The apparency is that there was a 
>| >major miscommunication between several parties, all of whom have/had 
>| >the best interests of the OS/2 community in mind. I'm trying to figure
>| >out where the hairball came from, so it can be hacked up and dealt 
>| >with.)
>|  
>| Esther, does this mean that your were privy to inside information
>| BEFORE the fateful announcement, and that your inside information
>| pointed to something OTHER than the real outcome?

>Let's just say that I know more than is/was publicly available.

And it is now apparent that Stardock was not the only company
approaching IBM with OEM contract plan concerning Warp 4.5 client.
According to Warpcast, Serenity Systems also made (or is in the process
of preparing) a similar proposal (see
http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4111.html) and although the phrasing
used in the above statement is extremely careful and as unclear as
possible ;-), it looks like IBM was not as definite with their proposal
yet as with Stardock's. Which IMHO makes sense because Serenity Systems
is specializing on exactly this kind of solutions (packaging of custom
OS/2 client installations).

Cheers,
Ivan

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               21-Sep-99 14:15:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:56:17, "Nick Danger" 
<nickdanger@null.spamTHIS.net> wrote:

| That's because it's a common lawyer thing to sue them
| unless their predictions of the future are 100% accurate.

Yup. 


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 08:17:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Esther Schindler wrote:

> |
> | Esther, does this mean that your were privy to inside information
> | BEFORE the fateful announcement, and that your inside information
> | pointed to something OTHER than the real outcome?
>
> Let's just say that I know more than is/was publicly available.
>

As do I Esther.  I chose to speak out about it, to let OS/2 users
know and to not sweep it under the rug or protect the guilty.
Sad that you can't do the same but par for the Esther course.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"


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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               21-Sep-99 12:33:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Esther Schindler wrote:
> 
> > |
> > | Esther, does this mean that your were privy to inside information
> > | BEFORE the fateful announcement, and that your inside information
> > | pointed to something OTHER than the real outcome?
> >
> > Let's just say that I know more than is/was publicly available.
> >
> 
> As do I Esther.  I chose to speak out about it, to let OS/2 users
> know and to not sweep it under the rug or protect the guilty.
> Sad that you can't do the same but par for the Esther course.

Sad that you have no concept of legal obligations or protecting your
sources to keep their confidence.  But then again, it's not likely that
anyone grants you their confidence.

- Marty

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               21-Sep-99 17:07:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:23:10, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

| Had Brad Wardell
| simply kept his mouth shut, kept his negotions private
| and out of the newsgroups and made no public statement
| in which he purports to speak for IBM and declares, in
| essence, that OS/2 is dead then that one person would
| still be using OS/2.  But thousands of people read these
| newsgroups all around the world  And thousands more
| read the public OS/2 web sites.  Yet they don't post here,
| they don't let their names be known.  It is those thousands
| who will take Brad's false message to heart and walk
| quietly away from OS/2. 

Oh but Tim... Brad Wardell _didn't_ make a statement on the public 
newsgroups. He posted his message on Stardock's own newsgroups, 
reporting on a conversation he had with IBM employees regarding a 
business relationship that had been proposed. (FWIW, I haven't been 
able to get to the Stardock newsgroup; my ISP doesn't seem to make it 
available.)

YOU, on the other hand, are the one making a big deal about it in the 
newsgroups. YOU are the one spreading the poison, but claiming that 
the poison was manufactured elsewhere.

Who's the one disseminating chaos and doubt about OS/2? It isn't Brad;
he hasn't said anything publicly about the subject at all.

--Esther

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From: hotline@osf.noaa.gov                              21-Sep-99 19:00:04
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Hotline" <hotline@osf.noaa.gov>


Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com> wrote in article
<LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-BzmpStQJOumT@agave.bitranch.com>...
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:23:10, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> business relationship that had been proposed. (FWIW, I haven't been 
> able to get to the Stardock newsgroup; my ISP doesn't seem to make it 
> available.)

Esther,
  That's becasue the groups are not publically accessible.  Point your
browser to news://news.stardock.com/stardock.os2

j.
 

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From: richard@NOSPAMwebtrek.com                         21-Sep-99 18:51:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: richard@NOSPAMwebtrek.com (Richard R. Klemmer)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:07:30, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) 
wrote:

> business relationship that had been proposed. (FWIW, I haven't been 
> able to get to the Stardock newsgroup; my ISP doesn't seem to make it 
> available.)

You have to go to Stardock's private news server to access the 
newsgroup.  The server address is news.stardock.com.  Since you're 
using Pronews 1.0, you can't set up multiple news servers.  You can do
this with the 1.5 beta, or with Netscape Communicator.

-----------------------------
Richard R. Klemmer
richard@webtrek.com
http://www.webtrek.com
-----------------------------

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From: nospam@nospam.net                                 21-Sep-99 13:52:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Star Office 5.1

From: "wordpro" <nospam@nospam.net>

Roberto D. Cucco <siderlr@infovia.com.ar> wrote in message
news:37E7A82F.EC47D393@infovia.com.ar...
> I need to know if I can run Star Office without that Win 95 bar in the
> bottom, it really angry me


Get happy and the bar will go away.


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From: d.buska@aaiate.com                                21-Sep-99 12:37:21
  To: mkaply@NPSPAMus.ibm.com                           21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

To: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NPSPAMus.ibm.com>
From: Don Buska <d.buska@aaiate.com>

Thanks Mike for the quick response.  I'll give it a try.

Regards,

Don





Michael Kaply wrote:
> 
> EASY EASY FIX!!!!
> 
> Change default font from Courier New to Courier.
> 
> It appears Matrox does not support Courier New.
> 
> See my previous post!
> 
> Mike Kaply
> IBM
>

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               21-Sep-99 20:44:16
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 kills 2.02 sound

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

joe@schmo.com schrieb:
> 
> I believe the easiest way to fix this is to backup your NPOS2*.DLL files
> in your 2.02 plugins directory and then copy your 4.61 (NPOS2*.DLL) files
> into your 2.02 plugins directory.
> 
> Note I have not tested this, it is based on what I know about the code
> changes.
> 
> Please let me know if it works.
> 
> Also, PLEASE back up your 2.02 plugin files before overwriting them :)
> 

I am having the same problems here. I have tried what you suggested, but
it didn't work.
Other problems are: Win 3.1 plug-ins are still not recognized when
Communicator isn't installed in a directory in root level. Netscape 2.02
drag & drop still doesn't work anymore.

BTW, you've done a great job with Comm 4.61!

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               21-Sep-99 14:21:24
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: letoured@nospam.net

>Tim,
>You didn't supply any real evidence of real people
>whom Brad Wardell has personally stopped from using
>OS/2.  Anecdotal evidence is simply hearsay.  

Well, Brad didn't personally stop me from using OS2. 

But the attitude I've seen in the past from him, sure has kept me from
using anything he or his company touches. -- But if he did take over OS2,
I would not want any versions he touched.

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: as@sci.fi                                         21-Sep-99 20:36:14
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) writes:

> Hi guys,
>  
> I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
> those available here, they all come with
> keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
> to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
> I would like to know if those keyboard 
> will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
> is any use for those buttons 

Yes and yes, but who'd WANT those stupid windoze keys? Or all the
weird extra keys they put in keyboards these days? I recently got a
Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite from pfuca.com.
  
-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: rgriech@swol.de                                   21-Sep-99 20:08:08
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: NS461 & drag&drop

From: rgriech@swol.de (Hardy Griech)

Really no complains about the GA.  It's fine on my system - most
obviously it fixes many display problems compared to the beta2 (Matrox
G200!).

On the other side:  drag&drop did a better job under beta2, at least on
my system.  BTW:  is it true, that the new way of dragging URLs to e.g.
to the desktop is done via generation of a program object (tricky!?)?

There is one problem, which will immediately reveal, if the URL
contains '?', just line in

http://www3.software.ibm.com/segdown?segment=AD&family=OT

(hmm, is it really the question mark?), the WPS will prompt for
parameter input! :-(

Hardy


PS:  something mysterious:  d&d did not work immedialtely after
     installation - it took several reboots (or several hours) to work.
     
-- 
VSoup Homepage:                       http://home.pages.de/~vsoup/

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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 21-Sep-99 11:46:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: EPM -- open REXX file = SYS3175

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <37e6a53c@news3.prserv.net>, on 09/20/99 
   at 09:21 PM, fredell@ibm.net (Paul Fredell) said:

>This appears to be related to the file EA's.  The file in question shows
>up as the following:

>  banklog.cmd  10,819 bytes  EA's: 32,767 bytes

32,767 is a magic number for computers.  You may have hit on a bug.  Try
adding/deleting something to change the size of the EA's.

HTH,

Steven


--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Steven Levine <steve53removethis@earthlink.net>  MR2/ICE #10183 Warp4/FP11
---------------------------------------------------------------


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From: mkaply@NPSPAMus.ibm.com                           21-Sep-99 14:54:22
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: NS461 & drag&drop

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NPSPAMus.ibm.com>

I don't see this problem. Are you using Warp 4 or Warp 3?

Mike Kaply
IBM

Hardy Griech wrote:

> Really no complains about the GA.  It's fine on my system - most
> obviously it fixes many display problems compared to the beta2 (Matrox
> G200!).
>
> On the other side:  drag&drop did a better job under beta2, at least on
> my system.  BTW:  is it true, that the new way of dragging URLs to e.g.
> to the desktop is done via generation of a program object (tricky!?)?
>
> There is one problem, which will immediately reveal, if the URL
> contains '?', just line in
>
> http://www3.software.ibm.com/segdown?segment=AD&family=OT
>
> (hmm, is it really the question mark?), the WPS will prompt for
> parameter input! :-(
>
> Hardy
>
> PS:  something mysterious:  d&d did not work immedialtely after
>      installation - it took several reboots (or several hours) to work.
>
> --
> VSoup Homepage:                       http://home.pages.de/~vsoup/

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From: Spammers@Bite.Me                                  21-Sep-99 22:59:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 21:23:03
Subj: Re: Win16  plugins under Netscape Communicator 4.61

From: "Jaime A. Cruz, Jr." <Spammers@Bite.Me>

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That's where they are on my system, but they're not showing up for me either.

BTW, that was a great presentation you gave at SHARE last month, Mike!  Glad
to have met you.  Now I can put a face to the name...

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:52:41 -0400, Michael Kaply wrote:

>After installing the 4.61 plugin pack, you need to put your WIN16 plugin
>stuff in WIN16\PLUGINS in the PROGRAM directory.
>
>Mike Kaply
>IBM
>
>"Cato A. Guldberg" wrote:
>
>> Dear OS/2-friends,
>>
>>     I recently installed Netscape Communicator 4.61 (seems to work fine,
>> by the way) over my old Netscape Communicator 4.04 (with latest fixpak).
>> However, I seem to have lost my Win16 plugins during this install, at
>> least, they are not indexed in the "about:plugins". I tried to copy the
>> necessary DLL-files to the NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\PLUGINS directory, but
>> apparently without any success. Can anybody help me with this problem?
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Cato A. Guldberg.
>> --
>> Cato A. Guldberg, M.D.
>> Oscar Wistings gate 61 B
>> N-4019 STAVANGER, Norway.
>> Phone:    +47 51 58 23 35
>> Fax:      +47 51 52 50 03
>> e-mail:   cguldber@eunet.no
>

Jaime A. Cruz, Jr.

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      22-Sep-99 09:23:25
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 21:23:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:19:08, Don Buska <d.buska@aaiate.com> wrote:

> I just tried the 4.61 GA and it has problems here.  While browsing the
> first thing I noticed was any site that have entry fields (search
> engines or eBay for example) the fields are gone!  It appears they are
> there but have been reduced to the size of a small line about one
> character width.  I did noticed that I would get the cursor to change to
> a text entry form (from arrow to the "I" looking text entry style) if I
> carefully placed it over the small line.  However, if I attempt to enter
> text at that point it doesn't take it!
>  
> I backed out of 4.61 GA and reinstalled 4.61 Beta and all has returned
> to normal again.  Looks like the GA release is one step backward for me.
>  
> I am using a 200MHz Pentium board with 128MB RAM.  Video is a Matrox
> Mellinium II 8MB PCI at 1600X1200.

Well I'm using a Matrox Millenium (2.31 OEM drivers) and it works fine with 
Courier New, I'm also using the Freetype/2 Truetype driver. Could this be the 
difference?


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 16:37:26
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 21:23:03
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Kevin Salisbury wrote:

> Tim Martin wrote:
>
> > >>Esther Schindler wrote:
>
> > >> Let's just say that I know more than is/was publicly available.
> > >>
> > >As do I Esther.  I chose to speak out about it, to let OS/2 users
> > >know and to not sweep it under the rug or protect the guilty.
> > >Sad that you can't do the same but par for the Esther course.
> >
> > Tim Martin
>
> Tim,
>
> I think your intentions are good - but is this post really constructive?
> No one wants to read constant bickering, especially about a topic as
> important as this one. If everything that you have posted in these
> newsgroups is correct - we will all know it soon enough. Please don't
> feel like your being attacked here, I just think that you should let the
> issue drop until everything that can be known, is. Why stir up the bee
> hive any more than you have too?
>
> Kevin Salisbury

So don't point this directly at me.  Point to Esther as well.
Esther continually plays this "you're a bad person Tim" routine
despite the fact that I am an OS/2 web master while she is a
Ziff Davis reporter.

Tim...



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From: salisburye@netscape.net                           21-Sep-99 18:39:25
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 21:23:03
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: Kevin Salisbury <salisburye@netscape.net>


Tim Martin wrote:

> >>Esther Schindler wrote:

> >> Let's just say that I know more than is/was publicly available.
> >>
> >As do I Esther.  I chose to speak out about it, to let OS/2 users
> >know and to not sweep it under the rug or protect the guilty.
> >Sad that you can't do the same but par for the Esther course.
>
> Tim Martin

Tim,

I think your intentions are good - but is this post really constructive?
No one wants to read constant bickering, especially about a topic as
important as this one. If everything that you have posted in these
newsgroups is correct - we will all know it soon enough. Please don't
feel like your being attacked here, I just think that you should let the
issue drop until everything that can be known, is. Why stir up the bee
hive any more than you have too?

Kevin Salisbury

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From: pbackman@remoove.algonet.se                       21-Sep-99 22:05:00
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: XFree86 and 127.0.0.1 Loopback

From: pbackman@remoove.algonet.se (Per Backman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:21:05, jpedone_no_spam@flash.net wrote:

> without the "up".  Also make sure you have the line:
> 
> 127.0.0.1 localhost 
> 
> in x:\mptn\etc\hosts and x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts
> 
>  
And do hit ENTER after the line, or else it will not work! There must 
be a linebreak. That was the problem for me at least (I think it is 
described in the readmefile too).

Per B.
************************************************************
The PHOTO&NATURIST page;
In English, auf deutsch, po polsku;        
http://home1.2.sbbs.se/pbackman/
ICQ UIN; 40714141
************************************************************

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 17:26:08
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Esther Schindler wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:23:10, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>
> | Had Brad Wardell
> | simply kept his mouth shut, kept his negotions private
> | and out of the newsgroups and made no public statement
> | in which he purports to speak for IBM and declares, in
> | essence, that OS/2 is dead then that one person would
> | still be using OS/2.  But thousands of people read these
> | newsgroups all around the world  And thousands more
> | read the public OS/2 web sites.  Yet they don't post here,
> | they don't let their names be known.  It is those thousands
> | who will take Brad's false message to heart and walk
> | quietly away from OS/2.
>
> Oh but Tim... Brad Wardell _didn't_ make a statement on the public
> newsgroups. He posted his message on Stardock's own newsgroups,

You poor thing, you are deprived aren't you?  Unlike Warp City,
which is private and open only to members, Stardock's own
newsserver is open to the public, thus that makes them publicly
accessible in every sense of the word.  You're certainly not now
(backpeddling on behalf of Brad) and claiming his message was
private and not meant for public publication - are you?  If so,
thank God Warp City didn't run with it.  Brad would be suing me
as we speak!  Gee, should WarpCast, OS2.ORG, MACarlo and all
the other public OS/2 web sites be consulting with their legal
staff?

> reporting on a conversation he had with IBM employees regarding a
> business relationship that had been proposed. (FWIW, I haven't been
> able to get to the Stardock newsgroup; my ISP doesn't seem to make it
> available.)

It is public Esther.  Everyone has access to it - even me.

> YOU, on the other hand, are the one making a big deal about it in the
> newsgroups. YOU are the one spreading the poison, but claiming that
> the poison was manufactured elsewhere.

I am not the one who issued a public statement which is carried
on every OS/2 public web site which purports to speak for IBM
and says, in essence, OS/2 is dead.  Brad Wardell of Stardock
did that.  And you are here trying as hard as you can to cover
up for him, to wash it away, claim it means nothing, and attacking
those who bring it to the forefront.  Ziff Davis writers are known
for such tactics when it comes to protecting/covering up for
Microsoft.

> Who's the one disseminating chaos and doubt about OS/2? It isn't Brad;
> he hasn't said anything publicly about the subject at all.

Word Up Esther.  It is called "hit and run".  I've never owned
a car but I hear about road rage all the time and I think your
seeing the results of a petty pea shooter pinging those driving
OS/2 down the information highway from behind a public bush.

It goes like this:  Place a sure to inflame the world of OS/2 users
statement signed by the self-proclaimed Number One OS/2
Software Developer in an inconspicuous  -but very public- place
and ping away!  That will show IBM!

Tim...


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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               21-Sep-99 21:50:25
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> You poor thing, you are deprived aren't you?  Unlike Warp City,
> which is private and open only to members,

Does he pay for this advertising space?  Someone should write to
abuse@tims_real_provider.com.  I bet he'd be on a short leash if someone
did.

- Marty

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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                21-Sep-99 21:40:24
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: StarOFFICE 5.0a

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello Michel.

18 Sep 99 13:33, Michel A Goyette wrote to All:

 >>
 >> Which OS/2 ftp servers support resume....
 >>
 >> I have noticed a few people stopping by ftp.natureboy.dyn.tj but
 no
 >> one seems to be d/l anything.... I have adsl, the outbound speed
 is
 >> about 40-50kb/sec
 >>
 >> Is there a problem with the server setup?
 >>
 >> The Hethmon Brothers Server was pretty to setup.... hmm I wonder
 if
 >> it was too easy.

 MG>     The provided user/password doesn't work.  ;-)

It seems, from the log files, that about 1/2  the connects do get in
 with u:p of os2/os2 and others don't.

People have d/l linux iso images (600 meg files) from here as well,
 but again the problem of it seems to take several connect attempts
 before success

So I don't know what to say :-(.

I tested the server using ftp from the command line and it was okay.

I am going to work on setting up the default ftpd that comes with
 os/2, I had that one working for a while, its more work to setup
 than hethmon and it does not like spaces in filenames or
 directories.


Derek


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From: bobshall                                          22-Sep-99 00:34:18
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 kills 2.02 sound

From: bobshall(@sd.znet.com (Robert Shallenberg)


Here is the tip which worked for me wit NS4.04 and now with 4.61GA:

>"OK, here is a workaround to get plugins working with >2.02 and 4.04
>. 
>To do this, you need the 2.02 plugin pack (from >software choice) 

>Rename MMPLUGS*.DLL in the MMOS2\DLL directory.
>Run the install for the 2.02 plugin pack.
>Select Update - Only update the Multimedia plugins portion.
>It will lay down the 2.02 versions of MMPLUGS*.DLL
>This should get 4.04 and 2.02 mm plugins coexisting.

>             Sincerely Yours
>
>             Roger
>  >           -- 
>             roger-li@algonet.se

(Thanks, Roger)

Bob


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From: sctvguy@netcenter.net                             21-Sep-99 19:36:14
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: OS/390

From: Bob Grimes <sctvguy@netcenter.net>

I see a lot of references to this operating system.  What is OS/390?

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From: ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not                        21-Sep-99 17:48:22
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: PM View 2.0 ?

From: "Alex Blair" <ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not>

Any news on the GA release of PM View 2.0 for OS/2 and the Windows
counterpart ?

Last I heard it was sceduled by end of August ?

AB




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From: srd@x.mcmail.com                                  22-Sep-99 00:54:03
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: MR/2 ICE

From: Steve Drewell <srd@x.mcmail.com>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 at 19:44 -0400, yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:

>>So what? I'm posting here using Pine running on AIX. Does that make me a
>>bad person? Does that mean I don't love and use OS/2 or MR/2 ICE?

>Well, obviously you don't use it when reading/posting to this OS/2 group.

Yes I do. Believe it or not, I actually access these newsgroups from more
than one computer. Novel idea, eh?

-- 
Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
_____________________________________________________________
Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 23 processes with 127 threads.
Machine uptime is 1 day, 2 hours, 24 mins and 15 secs.
_____________________________________________________________


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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     16-Sep-99 19:44:22
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: MR/2 ICE

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

In <990908172542.83162M-100000@bisv3.bedford.waii.com>, on 09/08/99 
   at 05:33 PM, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> said:

>So what? I'm posting here using Pine running on AIX. Does that make me a
>bad person? Does that mean I don't love and use OS/2 or MR/2 ICE?

Well, obviously you don't use it when reading/posting to this OS/2 group.

Roland

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"
                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
                            For a Microsoft free univers
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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 17:30:09
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Isxios wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:19:08, Don Buska <d.buska@aaiate.com> wrote:
>
> > I just tried the 4.61 GA and it has problems here.  While browsing the
> > first thing I noticed was any site that have entry fields (search
> > engines or eBay for example) the fields are gone!  It appears they are
> > there but have been reduced to the size of a small line about one
> > character width.  I did noticed that I would get the cursor to change to
> > a text entry form (from arrow to the "I" looking text entry style) if I
> > carefully placed it over the small line.  However, if I attempt to enter
> > text at that point it doesn't take it!
> >
> > I backed out of 4.61 GA and reinstalled 4.61 Beta and all has returned
> > to normal again.  Looks like the GA release is one step backward for me.
> >
> > I am using a 200MHz Pentium board with 128MB RAM.  Video is a Matrox
> > Mellinium II 8MB PCI at 1600X1200.
> >
> > Let's see if others have the same problem.
> >
> > Don
>
> I have the same problem, as do several other of my cyber friends. The
> one thing we all have in common? Matrox.

Complain to Matrox!

The answer is to change default font from Courier New to
just plain Courier. Matrox does not support Courier New
and that's why you are having the problem.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"


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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               22-Sep-99 00:29:17
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 kills 2.02 sound

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:49:10, joe@schmo.com wrote:

> I believe the easiest way to fix this is to backup your NPOS2*.DLL files
> in your 2.02 plugins directory and then copy your 4.61 (NPOS2*.DLL) files
> into your 2.02 plugins directory.
> 
> Note I have not tested this, it is based on what I know about the code
> changes.
> 
> Please let me know if it works.
> 
> Also, PLEASE back up your 2.02 plugin files before overwriting them :)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike Kaply
> IBM
> 

I tried replacing the npos2*.dll files in Netscape 2.02.  It didn't 
work.  The last time this problem existed, the files that needed 
back-leveling were mmplugs.dll and mmplugsr.dll  if that helps.

Mark

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               22-Sep-99 02:59:29
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: PM View 2.0 ?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Alex Blair schrieb:
> 
> Any news on the GA release of PM View 2.0 for OS/2 and the Windows
> counterpart ?
> 
> Last I heard it was sceduled by end of August ?

AFAIK it's soon to be released. No new features will be added to the
betas and a new beta has just been released.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               21-Sep-99 21:19:19
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

What fixed it for me was changing to "Use document-specified fonts, but
disable dynamic fonts."

Alan


> > I'm not having 100% luck with it. Pages that have a form/input box
> > don't display these properly. I just get an underline instead.
>
> It's not an underline... it's a 0-height input box.  The problem is that
> we are defaulting to the "Courier New" font, but that font doesn't
> exist on your machine, for some reason... so when the input box is
> created, the font height is queried as 0.  If you switch your default
> Fixed Width font to something else (such as "Courier"), all should
> be well.

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From: dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org                     22-Sep-99 02:42:29
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: "Darin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org>

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:37:53 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:

>So don't point this directly at me.  Point to Esther as well.
>Esther continually plays this "you're a bad person Tim" routine
>despite the fact that I am an OS/2 web master while she is a
>Ziff Davis reporter.

Nononono.  You're a *BSD* web master.  Let's keep that straight.

---
Disclaimer: unless explicitly mentioned otherwise, I do not speak
for the company I work for.



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From: letoured@nospam.net                               21-Sep-99 23:20:22
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: OS2 PDF Software

From: letoured@nospam.net

>I have been following this thread, and wondered if anyone could help me
>with printing a PDF file using ghostview for OS/2.  I don't know how to
>do it. Printing a PS file to my Apple Laserwriter is straightforward, but
>I cannot figure out how to print a PDF file.

The PDF format is not a printer file like PS or PCL. You can print the PDF
file from Adobe Acrobat. 

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: giprice@ibm.net                                   22-Sep-99 03:46:02
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: OS/390

From: giprice@ibm.net

In <37E8167D.C8171B96@netcenter.net>, Bob Grimes <sctvguy@netcenter.net>
writes:
>I see a lot of references to this operating system.  What is OS/390?
>
OS/390 (aka MVS) is the latest derivative of OS/360 (circa 1964),
IBM's "flagship entreprise server OS" or words to that effect.
It is the most sophisticated, full-featured, industrial strength,
secure blah blah balh OS in the world, and runs on what many
people call "mainframes" (which are now the size of a filing cabinet).
BTW, is has the highest Unix compliance of any OS, including real
unixen, IIRC.

Cheers,
Greg

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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               22-Sep-99 00:47:09
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Marty wrote:
> 
> > Tim Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > You poor thing, you are deprived aren't you?  Unlike Warp City,
> > > which is private and open only to members,
> >
> > Does he pay for this advertising space?  Someone should write to
> > abuse@tims_real_provider.com.  I bet he'd be on a short leash if someone
> > did.
> >
> > - Marty
> 
> Sorry.  No one pays for ad space at Warp City.  Warp
> City is ad free.  It is sponsorship free.  We won't take
> up the screen space of any member with any paid
> advertising.

[remainder of WarpCity spam removed.]

Was this crossposted to comp.os.os2.spam by some chance, or maybe
comp.os.bsd.spam?

Well Tim, I'm flattered you even read my post.  Now how about responding to
a few of the real issues raised, such as evidence for your own flailing
libellous allegations against Stardock?  Perhaps providing a viable motive
for Brad's alleged behavior would also help.

- Marty

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 21:17:18
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Marty wrote:

> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > You poor thing, you are deprived aren't you?  Unlike Warp City,
> > which is private and open only to members,
>
> Does he pay for this advertising space?  Someone should write to
> abuse@tims_real_provider.com.  I bet he'd be on a short leash if someone
> did.
>
> - Marty

Sorry.  No one pays for ad space at Warp City.  Warp
City is ad free.  It is sponsorship free.  We won't take
up the screen space of any member with any paid
advertising.

We don't allow it because we like to voice our opinion
about anything OS/2 -including poor OS/2 software-
without having to kiss-butt to a wayward Windows
vendor who just happens to sell buggy faded OS/2
software.

Don't get me wrong.  If there's a good piece of OS/2
software out there we'll make sure every member
who visits Warp City knows about it.  At the moment
we like the GA release of Communicator for OS/2,
Daniela Engert's (of Germany with assitance from such
fine folk like Helen Terbizan and Mark Dodel) DaniS506.add
driver, SmartSuite/2 v1.1, the newly updated (100% Java)
J Street Mailer, the updated text adventure game "Dungeon
of Doom" , the free release of Photo>Graphics v2.02s,
DrawIt!  and Lame, Sun's StarOffice 5.1, and, of course,
the best OS/2 utilities from a fine OS/2 programmer, Jim
Lewis (http://www.chauvet.com/jim.lewis).

And this is just the top of the list for September!

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          22-Sep-99 03:05:28
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: OS2 PDF Software

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:30:36, "gjohn" <gjohn@csom.umn.edu> a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> Hello,
> 
> I have been following this thread, and wondered if anyone could help me with
> printing a PDF file using ghostview for OS/2.  I don't know how to do it.
> Printing a PS file to my Apple Laserwriter is straightforward, but I cannot
> figure out how to print a PDF file.

1. Open the PDF with the File | Open dialog.

2. Hit the Print button.

3. Select the Device: you want, such as "laserjet" to print to a laser 
printer.

4. Select the Resolution you want.

4. Uncheck the "Print to file" if it's selected.

5. Select your printer in the Queue window.

6. Hit OK.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          22-Sep-99 03:11:13
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:50:27, lifedata@xxvol.com a Úcrit dans un message:

> "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> said:
> 
> > If you switch your default
> >Fixed Width font to something else (such as "Courier"), all should be well.
> 
> Why not switch Netscape to something everybody has?

Because that is what is in the Netscape they inherited?


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: jbilbro@wavecom.net                               21-Sep-99 22:57:22
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Netscape 4.6 GA - Quick Bookmarks

From: jbilbro@wavecom.net (John Bilbro)

How can I get "trickle down" menus after clicking on quick bookmarks (where
just resting the pointer on an entry would open up any folders under it)as I
was able to get with version 4.04.
--
John Bilbro                           Team OS2, NMRA, NRA, AARP
Sheridan, Wyoming                     Lake Havasu City, Arizona
jbilbro@wavecom.net  (May-Oct)        jbilbro@Redrivernet.com (Nov-Apr)

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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            21-Sep-99 22:00:14
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: XFree86 and 127.0.0.1 Loopback (Still Negatory)

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:05:00, pbackman@remoove.algonet.se (Per 
Backman) wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions - tcpcfg2 still won't recognize the local 
host.  :-(

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:21:05, jpedone_no_spam@flash.net wrote:
> 
> > without the "up".  Also make sure you have the line:
> > 
> > 127.0.0.1 localhost 
> > 
> > in x:\mptn\etc\hosts and x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts
> > 
> >  
> And do hit ENTER after the line, or else it will not work! There must 
> be a linebreak. That was the problem for me at least (I think it is 
> described in the readmefile too).
> 
> Per B.
> ************************************************************
> The PHOTO&NATURIST page;
> In English, auf deutsch, po polsku;        
> http://home1.2.sbbs.se/pbackman/
> ICQ UIN; 40714141
> ************************************************************
> 

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     22-Sep-99 05:17:24
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:

> Complain to Matrox!
>
> The answer is to change default font from Courier New to
> just plain Courier. Matrox does not support Courier New
> and that's why you are having the problem.

Actually, the Matrox connection was a red herring.  It turns
out that installing Win-OS/2 also gives you Courier New.
Matrox DOES support Courier New, if it is installed.

That's what statistics can do... show you a correlation, but
not necessarily a causal relationship.  My bet is that the OS/2
users who would refuse to install Win-OS/2 are statistically
the same people who would gravitate to the Matrox video
card (given their OS/2 support).

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team


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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     22-Sep-99 05:24:27
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> Because that is what is in the Netscape they inherited?

No, actually, we changed it.  It was originally "Courier",
but "Courier New" renders much better, particularly at
odd point sizes, so we changed the default so that the
browser would look better overall in its default installed
state.  Turns out to have been a bad decision, since the
font might not be there!

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team


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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     22-Sep-99 05:13:01
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> said:
>
> > If you switch your default
> >Fixed Width font to something else (such as "Courier"), all should be well.
>
> Why not switch Netscape to something everybody has?

We thought we did.  Turns out Courier New only gets installed
if you install Win-OS/2.  Go figure.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 22-Sep-99 04:50:20
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 05:19:18
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <qzpoevqrgbjregbbet.fifwvo3.pminews@news.mtag1.on.wave.home.com>, "Darin
McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org> writes:
>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:37:53 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
snip
>>despite the fact that I am an OS/2 web master while she is a
>>Ziff Davis reporter.
>
>Nononono.  You're a *BSD* web master.  Let's keep that straight.

do web masters have to work in dungeons, wear the funny black
hood, carry a whip ?  warped city is in san francisco,  isn't it ?
" *I* am a Web Master . . ." 

hmm.

>
sk†l !

----------------------------------------------------------
H„rad ’ngravv†rd
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               22-Sep-99 00:03:05
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:22
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

> In <qzpoevqrgbjregbbet.fifwvo3.pminews@news.mtag1.on.wave.home.com>, "Darin
McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org> writes:
> >On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:37:53 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
> snip
> >>despite the fact that I am an OS/2 web master while she is a
> >>Ziff Davis reporter.
> >
> >Nononono.  You're a *BSD* web master.  Let's keep that straight.
>
> do web masters have to work in dungeons, wear the funny black
> hood, carry a whip ?  warped city is in san francisco,  isn't it ?
> " *I* am a Web Master . . ."
>
> hmm.
>
> >
> sk?l !
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> H?rad ?ngravv?rd
> -----------------------------------------------------------

Actually we've got several servers in several locations.
Warp City is *framed* because web pages are constantly
updated or created and simply imported from various
server locations.   Members reading them don't know
exactly where they are coming from they just know
they are at Warp City.

The public site (the brick wall entry point) is located in
San Francisco.  It is the site most members never
go to but considered our public site.  It consists of one
primary web page (although we do provide several
publicly accessible web pages on that server like
John *Aloha* Twelker's OS/2-Aptiva Install guide).
That particular server uses FreeBSD because quite
frankly, its free and a fine server software and it is the
only server we use in San Francisco.

We have only one staffer who actually lives in SF and
she also runs a Coffee House.  Other staffers live in
Sausalito, Santa Barbara, Craig Colorado, Mississippi,
and Florida.  We have part-time reporters or writers in
other various states (Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago,
Nevada, Kentucky, New York, Hawaii).  All staff members
have installed and use OS/2 as their operating system.
Windows (including WinOS2) is banned by company policy.
None of us has WinOS2 or DOS installed on our systems.
The company provides each staffer with their own individual
machines preloaded with OS/2 usually from such dealers
as Indelible Blue, Diamond Flower or other familiar hardware
vendors who preload OS/2.  We can access the servers from
a company 800 number or through individual dialup ISP
accounts (paid for by the company).

I have never owned or used a Windows application (but
I have seen them).

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"


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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            22-Sep-99 10:56:18
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

err... This bullshit is your opinion masquerading as facts.


Kind regards,
Tim

Esther Schindler wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:01:47, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> | In a nutshell, that's my beef with IBM. How about a little open and honest
> | dissemination of intentions from the ONLY people who know their plans -
> | IBM ? We all bought the product, we all have time and effort and money
> | invested, whatever they want to do is their business, just TELL US ! then
> | we can get on with our lives, decide what is best for us individually, not
> | have to sift rumours and innuendo for scraps of insight.  Or does IBM
shelter
> | under the CIA umbrella now ? If anyone can be said to be responsible for
the
> | OS/2 FUD campaign, it'd be IBM for never being upfront with us. And YES,
> | we deserve it - we bought the product, now come out and tell the truth,
> | get it over with !
>
> I'm afraid that the chances of this happening are rather low.
>
> Even if IBM has no intention of coming out with a new client, if they
> believe a new client is an utter and complete impossibility, they
> won't say so, straight out. They never want to put themselves in the
> position of being wrong. If they say, "We'll never do it" and then
> later they _do_ find themselves in the position of doing it (for
> whatever reason, because situations change) then someone can say, "you
> lied!" So they say, "...not at this time..." which is purposefully
> vague.
>
> I'm not saying that this is the right thing to do, but it's a common
> corporate thing to do. <sigh>
>
> --Esther

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From: Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com               22-Sep-99 07:02:07
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Netscape Communicator 4.61 - No problems here

From: "Jan Danielsson" <Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com>

I use PMINews for news and PMMail for mail, so I no nothing about the
Communicator news and mail clients. I do however know that the browser and
editor works great here.

Thanks to everyone involved!


 /j



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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     22-Sep-99 07:28:18
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: Netscape 4.6 GA - Quick Bookmarks

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

John Bilbro wrote:

> How can I get "trickle down" menus after clicking on quick bookmarks (where
> just resting the pointer on an entry would open up any folders under it)as I
> was able to get with version 4.04.

Add the following line to your prefs.js file:

user_pref("os2.drag_menu", true);

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team


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From: Skree@stubble.jumpers                             22-Sep-99 01:38:10
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: rmb on back and forward in 4.61

From: Skree@stubble.jumpers

OK

How long has the rmb feature on the forward and back buttons been in
netscape??

Just discovered it - kinda neat and handy.

ps - a job well done by the ibm netscape team.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Kenn Sunley
MR/2 ICE ver 1.60 reg'd
Date: 1999.09.22
Time: 01:38:20 - -0600

Warp 4
233Mhz PII
ATI Xpert@work
Gradd Rocks - thank you IBM
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: evzen@netbrno.cz                                  22-Sep-99 09:33:23
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: Netscape for OS/2, 4.61 GA Release

From: "Evzen Polenka" <evzen@netbrno.cz>

"Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> wrote:

> It was originally "Courier",
> but "Courier New" renders much better,

Especially with FreeType/2 rendering engine instead of this damned OS/2's
TrueType engine.

    Bye, Evzen



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From: fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de                        22-Sep-99 10:44:27
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: awget: how to add files for download manually ?

From: Wolfgang Fritsch <fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de>

Hi,

With awget (auto-wget), how can one add files for download manually?

The usual procedure for awget is to drag a file for download from NetScape
to the desktop, and then from the desktop to the "todo" folder (from which
it is moved to the "running" folder). Now sometimes files "resist" against
being dragged to the desktop, they insist that some button is pressed for
download, and then download starts with the usual window that asks for the
file name on the target directory. A famous example is NetScape 4.61 from
IBM's Boulder site.

I did try to set up manually an URL ftp object that I then dragged to the
"todo" folder but then awget seems to do nothing (it starts  downloading
o.k. but no further reaction in the awget daemon window).

Anyone has a solution? The latest NetScape 4.61 GA just does not  download
with the standard (non-awget) procedure, neither with ftp nor http,  to
here, it fails after 1-4 MB.

Wolfgang

--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Wolfgang Fritsch
  Bereich Theoretische Physik, HMI Berlin
  e-mail fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de   http://www.hmi.de/people/fritsch/
  tel. +49-30-8062 2318                       fax +49-30-8062 2098
  "Which is worse: ignorance or apathy?  I neither know nor care."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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From: fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de                        22-Sep-99 11:24:20
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: awget: how to add files for download manually ?

From: Wolfgang Fritsch <fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de>

In <37e8992a$2$sevgfpu$mr2ice@news.hmi.de>, on 09/22/99 
   at 10:44 AM, Wolfgang Fritsch <fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de> said:

>With awget (auto-wget), how can one add files for download manually?

>I did try to set up manually an URL ftp object that I then dragged to the
>"todo" folder but then awget seems to do nothing (it starts  downloading
>o.k. but no further reaction in the awget daemon window).

Correction: the manual mode does work (I was looking at the daemon window
and not at the download window). Sorry for the mixup.

Wolfgang

--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Wolfgang Fritsch
  Bereich Theoretische Physik, HMI Berlin
  e-mail fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de       
http://www.hmi.de/people/fritsch/
  tel. +49-30-8062 2318                       fax +49-30-8062 2098
  "Which is worse: ignorance or apathy?  I neither know nor care."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  22-Sep-99 11:03:08
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:24
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:39:51, Kevin Salisbury <salisburye@netscape.net> 
wrote:
 
> Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> > >>Esther Schindler wrote:
> 
> > >> Let's just say that I know more than is/was publicly available.
> > >>
> > >As do I Esther.  I chose to speak out about it, to let OS/2 users
> > >know and to not sweep it under the rug or protect the guilty.
> > >Sad that you can't do the same but par for the Esther course.
> >
> > Tim Martin
> 
> Tim,
> 
> I think your intentions are good - but is this post really constructive?
> No one wants to read constant bickering, especially about a topic as
> important as this one. If everything that you have posted in these
> newsgroups is correct - we will all know it soon enough. Please don't
> feel like your being attacked here, I just think that you should let the
> issue drop until everything that can be known, is. Why stir up the bee
> hive any more than you have too?
> 
> Kevin Salisbury

Second that. There is lately some verbal diarrhea in this thread -- made 
worse because much of it is complicated by mental constipation. 

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          22-Sep-99 10:41:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:24
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 GA 

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 05:17:48, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> a Úcrit dans un message:

> 
> Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> > Complain to Matrox!
> >
> > The answer is to change default font from Courier New to
> > just plain Courier. Matrox does not support Courier New
> > and that's why you are having the problem.
> 
> Actually, the Matrox connection was a red herring.  It turns
> out that installing Win-OS/2 also gives you Courier New.
> Matrox DOES support Courier New, if it is installed.

Matrox supports all scalable fonts, I believe, as long as they are 
installed in OS/2.

But I've always installed WINOS2 and I've *never* had Courier New (or any 
other font, I believe) installed into OS/2 as a result. WINOS2 doesn't 
install any fonts in OS/2, does it?

You can have fonts installed in WINOS2 which are *not* installed in OS/2, 
but the 13 scalable fonts (Type 1) which OS/2 has *always* (at least since 
Warp) installed are:

	Courier
	Courier Bold
	Courier Bold Italic
	Courier Italic
	Helvetica
	Helvetica Bold
	Helvetica Bold Italic
	Helvetica Italic
	Symbol Set
	Times New Roman
	Times New Roman Bold
	Times New Roman Bold Italic
	Times New Roman Italic

and every other developer has been forced to live with that default range 
of choices.


> 
> That's what statistics can do... show you a correlation, but
> not necessarily a causal relationship.  My bet is that the OS/2
> users who would refuse to install Win-OS/2 are statistically
> the same people who would gravitate to the Matrox video
> card (given their OS/2 support).

So, just supply the fonts with the NS package? Java keeps coming with those
massive UNI fonts, so I doubt that package size would be an issue for IBM.


Also, ugh, I've already seen one of these, which froze the desktop and 
forced a reboot:
------------
09-21-1999  22:50:34  SYS3175  PID 0053  TID 0001  Slot 0093
C:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
c0000005
1de99b03
P1=00000001  P2=00000000  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX  
EAX=016e2ad0  EBX=016e2a50  ECX=00000000  EDX=016e2ac0
ESI=00000000  EDI=016e2a50  
DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=3fffffff  
ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=3fffffff  
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=0b13  GSACC=10f3  GSLIM=00003fff
CS:EIP=005b:1de99b03  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=3fffffff
SS:ESP=0053:007c5ebc  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=3fffffff
EBP=007c5ed0  FLG=00012213

MOZILLA.DLL 0001:00009b03
-----------
Yes, I had done a Delete, then ReInstall, of the GA. (Didn't install over 
the top of anything, I mean.)

I'll have to accumulate more data, I guess. Maybe delete PREFS.JS and start
with fresh defaults.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: bnc@webone.com.au                                 22-Sep-99 21:22:09
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:24
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 GA 

From: bnc@webone.com.au

Hope this helps.

1) I never install winos2
2) Installed Lotus SS1.1.1 
    This installs about 12 extra fonts. My personal preference is ROCKWELL.
3) You can duplicate the Font Pallete icon and put a new set of fonts in it.
4) Definitely no problems with fonts here.

Brian

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-mLtzEeD4VdJW@yourmachine.yourlocaldomain.yourisp>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 05:17:48, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
><murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> a ‚crit dans un message:
>
>> 
>> Tim Martin wrote:
>> 
>> > Complain to Matrox!
>> >
>> > The answer is to change default font from Courier New to
>> > just plain Courier. Matrox does not support Courier New
>> > and that's why you are having the problem.
>> 
>> Actually, the Matrox connection was a red herring.  It turns
>> out that installing Win-OS/2 also gives you Courier New.
>> Matrox DOES support Courier New, if it is installed.
>
>Matrox supports all scalable fonts, I believe, as long as they are 
>installed in OS/2.
>
>But I've always installed WINOS2 and I've *never* had Courier New (or any 
>other font, I believe) installed into OS/2 as a result. WINOS2 doesn't 
>install any fonts in OS/2, does it?
>
>You can have fonts installed in WINOS2 which are *not* installed in OS/2, 
>but the 13 scalable fonts (Type 1) which OS/2 has *always* (at least since 
>Warp) installed are:
>
>	Courier
>	Courier Bold
>	Courier Bold Italic
>	Courier Italic
>	Helvetica
>	Helvetica Bold
>	Helvetica Bold Italic
>	Helvetica Italic
>	Symbol Set
>	Times New Roman
>	Times New Roman Bold
>	Times New Roman Bold Italic
>	Times New Roman Italic
>
>and every other developer has been forced to live with that default range 
>of choices.
>
>
>> 
>> That's what statistics can do... show you a correlation, but
>> not necessarily a causal relationship.  My bet is that the OS/2
>> users who would refuse to install Win-OS/2 are statistically
>> the same people who would gravitate to the Matrox video
>> card (given their OS/2 support).
>
>So, just supply the fonts with the NS package? Java keeps coming with those
>massive UNI fonts, so I doubt that package size would be an issue for IBM.
>
>
>Also, ugh, I've already seen one of these, which froze the desktop and 
>forced a reboot:
>------------
>09-21-1999  22:50:34  SYS3175  PID 0053  TID 0001  Slot 0093
>C:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
>c0000005
>1de99b03
>P1=00000001  P2=00000000  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX  
>EAX=016e2ad0  EBX=016e2a50  ECX=00000000  EDX=016e2ac0
>ESI=00000000  EDI=016e2a50  
>DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=3fffffff  
>ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=3fffffff  
>FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
>GS=0b13  GSACC=10f3  GSLIM=00003fff
>CS:EIP=005b:1de99b03  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=3fffffff
>SS:ESP=0053:007c5ebc  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=3fffffff
>EBP=007c5ed0  FLG=00012213
>
>MOZILLA.DLL 0001:00009b03
>-----------
>Yes, I had done a Delete, then ReInstall, of the GA. (Didn't install over 
>the top of anything, I mean.)
>
>I'll have to accumulate more data, I guess. Maybe delete PREFS.JS and start
>with fresh defaults.
>
>
>Good luck,
>
>Buddy
>
>Buddy Donnelly
>donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
>
>

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                22-Sep-99 07:25:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:24
Subj: NS 4.61 GA -->OK 4.61 Beta -->NO GOOD

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

I just HAD to come out of the shadows long enough to post this. The GA version
of Communicator is wonderful!

Thanks, to the netscape programming team!

Now... to fix the dieing download problem... it's still there...



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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    22-Sep-99 12:13:21
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:24
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

... And all of what Tim writes is a lie unless he lied to 
abuse@colorado.edu.  Thank you for providing even more evidence Tim.

In article <37E87F2E.2A508F94@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
>
>> In <qzpoevqrgbjregbbet.fifwvo3.pminews@news.mtag1.on.wave.home.com>, "D=
>arin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org> writes:
>> >On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:37:53 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
>> snip
>> >>despite the fact that I am an OS/2 web master while she is a
>> >>Ziff Davis reporter.
>> >
>> >Nononono.  You're a *BSD* web master.  Let's keep that straight.
>>
>> do web masters have to work in dungeons, wear the funny black
>> hood, carry a whip ?  warped city is in san francisco,  isn't it ?
>> " *I* am a Web Master . . ."
>>
>> hmm.
>>
>> >
>> sk=86l !
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> H=84rad =92ngravv=86rd
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>Actually we've got several servers in several locations.
>Warp City is *framed* because web pages are constantly
>updated or created and simply imported from various
>server locations.   Members reading them don't know
>exactly where they are coming from they just know
>they are at Warp City.
>
>The public site (the brick wall entry point) is located in
>San Francisco.  It is the site most members never
>go to but considered our public site.  It consists of one
>primary web page (although we do provide several
>publicly accessible web pages on that server like
>John *Aloha* Twelker's OS/2-Aptiva Install guide).
>That particular server uses FreeBSD because quite
>frankly, its free and a fine server software and it is the
>only server we use in San Francisco.
>
>We have only one staffer who actually lives in SF and
>she also runs a Coffee House.  Other staffers live in
>Sausalito, Santa Barbara, Craig Colorado, Mississippi,
>and Florida.  We have part-time reporters or writers in
>other various states (Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago,
>Nevada, Kentucky, New York, Hawaii).  All staff members
>have installed and use OS/2 as their operating system.
>Windows (including WinOS2) is banned by company policy.
>None of us has WinOS2 or DOS installed on our systems.
>The company provides each staffer with their own individual
>machines preloaded with OS/2 usually from such dealers
>as Indelible Blue, Diamond Flower or other familiar hardware
>vendors who preload OS/2.  We can access the servers from
>a company 800 number or through individual dialup ISP
>accounts (paid for by the company).
>
>I have never owned or used a Windows application (but
>I have seen them).
>
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City
>http://warpcity.com
>"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
>
>


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                22-Sep-99 11:28:03
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 GA -->OK 4.61 Beta -->NO GOOD

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride) said:

>Now... to fix the dieing download problem... it's still there...

At least it is now in the readme.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com                        22-Sep-99 15:39:14
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Comm 4.61 - Tables

From: fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com

In <nFhIE53VxpbN-pn2-JNzPsUGNUzjI@ip105.net247213.cr.sk.ca>,
pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak) writes:
>The biggest improvement I have seen with the GA is what I'm presuming 
>is table rendering.  Sites like ZDNet and OS2.org are _wickedly_ fast 
>now.  The groups page at setiathome use to slow my computer to a 
>crawl, but know it displays immediately.  A quick adjustment to the 
>fonts corrects any overflow or missing text.
>
>Excellent work.  I've done a quick comparison with other OS's (Win 95,
>WinNT and Linux - all on this box) and all I can say is the OS/2 
>version is _untouchable_.
>
>Keep up the good work.
>
>J.P. Pasnak
>Warped Systems
>******************
>http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
>http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
>*******************
Really enjoy it.

Frank

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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                22-Sep-99 14:38:28
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:36:28, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:

îYes and yes, but who'd WANT those stupid windoze keys? Or all the
îweird extra keys they put in keyboards these days? I recently got a
îHappy Hacking Keyboard Lite from pfuca.com.

Righto - I have seen pictures of those keyboards and plan on
purchasing one for my next one. Currently I use a mini type 
keyboard - without the numeric keypad of dedicated cursor 
keys - and DEFINITELY without those windows keys.


________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

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From: michael.schulz@btinternet.com                     22-Sep-99 18:07:28
  To: pasnak@cableregina.com                            23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Comm 4.61 - Tables

To: "J.P. Pasnak" <pasnak@cableregina.com>
From: Michael Schulz <michael.schulz@btinternet.com>

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Totally agree with your comments!
Same experience here as well.

"J.P. Pasnak" wrote:

> The biggest improvement I have seen with the GA is what I'm presuming
> is table rendering.  Sites like ZDNet and OS2.org are _wickedly_ fast
> now.  The groups page at setiathome use to slow my computer to a
> crawl, but know it displays immediately.  A quick adjustment to the
> fonts corrects any overflow or missing text.
>
> Excellent work.  I've done a quick comparison with other OS's (Win 95,
> WinNT and Linux - all on this box) and all I can say is the OS/2
> version is _untouchable_.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> J.P. Pasnak
> Warped Systems
> ******************
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
> *******************

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From: michael.schulz@btinternet.com                     22-Sep-99 18:04:17
  To: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Comm 4.61 - Tables

To: "J.P. Pasnak" <pasnak@delete.cableregina.com>
From: Michael Schulz <michael.schulz@btinternet.com>

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Totally agree with your comment!

"J.P. Pasnak" wrote:

> The biggest improvement I have seen with the GA is what I'm presuming
> is table rendering.  Sites like ZDNet and OS2.org are _wickedly_ fast
> now.  The groups page at setiathome use to slow my computer to a
> crawl, but know it displays immediately.  A quick adjustment to the
> fonts corrects any overflow or missing text.
>
> Excellent work.  I've done a quick comparison with other OS's (Win 95,
> WinNT and Linux - all on this box) and all I can say is the OS/2
> version is _untouchable_.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> J.P. Pasnak
> Warped Systems
> ******************
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
> *******************

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         22-Sep-99 18:22:21
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:45:21, Siobhan 
Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com> 
wrote:

Go with BackAgain/2, it support anything
that can be use through a SCSI bus, or 
as a Hard-Drive, so in your case it's 
access through the SCSI, so it will work
just fine.

BTW. set the program to use the "Default
Compression" scheme to avoid possible 
problem

> I have an OS/2 Warp 4, FP 10 (PII) system that I'm setting up with
> Print Services Facility/2 (and nothing else).  It has two SCSI hard
> drives, a CD, a floppy drive, and a HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal
> tape drive.
> 
> There are some weird things going on with the floppy and it doesn't see
> the tape drive (as far as I can tell).  The floppy isn't the problem
> I'm addressing with this post (though it might inform my situation).
> 
> My problem is that I need backup software that will support the tape
> drive.  Getting a new tape drive is not likely to be possible at this
> juncture, though we might be able to talk someone into a CDRW if I
> can't get this to work.  The machine was originally a windows 95 PC
> that was used in a different office.  It got retired and sent over to
> us for us to load OS/2 onto it and create a mirror of a print server we
> currently have in production.  So the tape drive in there was never
> chosen with OS/2 in mind.  It came with one 9 GB HD, and we've
> installed a second one in order to have room for the print jobs that
> come through.  But we won't be backing up the print jobs.  Only the
> system set up and the PSF/2 set up files will be backed up.  That's
> about 500-700 megs, and it won't need to be backed up repeatedly.  We
> just need a way to back up the files and restore them if/when the
> system destablizes and needs to be rebuilt.
> 
> I have a copy of BackMaster 3.0, but I spent yesterday reading the
> archives of discussion in the newsgroups and saw that it has caused a
> number of people problems and seems to be finicky about what hardware
> it will work with, so I'm worried about trying to install it on this
> system.
> 
> Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> --
> Siobhan Perricone
> PC Technician
> Alltel Information Services
> (I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.



//-------------------------
Good Luck

Bonne Chance

Martin

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From: jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           22-Sep-99 13:25:12
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 GA

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> but the 13 scalable fonts (Type 1) which OS/2 has *always* (at least since
> Warp) installed are:
>
>         Courier
>         Courier Bold
>         Courier Bold Italic
>         Courier Italic
>         Helvetica
>         Helvetica Bold
>         Helvetica Bold Italic
>         Helvetica Italic
>         Symbol Set
>         Times New Roman
>         Times New Roman Bold
>         Times New Roman Bold Italic
>         Times New Roman Italic
>
> and every other developer has been forced to live with that default range
> of choices.

As we have now learned.  Unfortunately, this is something that will have
to wait until a service release until it is fixed; it should only be a matter
of
defaulting to Courier if Courier New is not found.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             21-Sep-99 16:51:15
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On 21 Sep 1999 12:41:22 GMT, Esther Schindler wrote:

>Let's just say that I know more than is/was publicly available.
>
>--Esther 

I actually wanted the SECOND part of that question answered. I was
pretty sure the FIRST part would be in the affirmative.


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             21-Sep-99 17:40:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On 20 Sep 1999 23:04:20 GMT, Jason Bowen wrote:

>.... and you will always lick-up what they tell you too.  I don't notice
>IBM saying anything bad about what Brad said, do you?  I don't see press
>releases denouncing what he said. ...

True, but then, IBM has NEVER been known for defending itself with
public statements. Back when they WERE supporting and pushing OS/2 on
the desktop you never saw them defend themselves against M$ FUD either.
I'd think you'd have to cut them pretty deeply to get any kind of
PUBLIC statement from them. 

It's already been mentioned in this group, but it is evident now that
there are more proposals on the table than the one from StarDock.
Remember that DC (NOT BW!) once approached IBM about marketing WSeB
with fewer than the 20 client licenses now required -- and was turned
down by IBM as well. Yet here we are, six months later, and Serinity
Systems is doing just that. With no fanfare, no big media event to
launch this remarkable "idea". Add to THAT fact a statement made by Tim
Sipples way back when IBM first announced that it was dropping support
for small users. Tim's statement, which occurred in an open newsgroup
exchange between Tim and Timur Tabi follows:

>--[quote]--<

A word about OS/2 Warp Version 5...  In the past we (IBM) have gotten
burned (frankly) by overpromising and underdelivering.  I know this may
seem revolutionary, but we're going to try underpromising and
overdelivering for a while and see how that goes.  What we're going to
promise is continued enhancements across the entire OS/2 Warp product
line (not just fixes).  I think we've amply demonstrated that
commitment
already (for example, with the fastest Java on the PC, the only Java
1.1.4 outside of Javasoft, and the fastest and arguably most complete
TCP/IP suite on the PC).

>--[end quote]--<

The above statement was made in November of 1997! Has IBM followed
through with "underpromising?" You BET they have! Have they also
followed through with "overdelivering?" You be the judge. But one thing
I feel fairly certain of; We won't ever know what IBM's "plans" are
until THEY decide to announce them.


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               22-Sep-99 22:25:27
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:51:31, "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> 
wrote:
 
| I actually wanted the SECOND part of that question answered. I was
| pretty sure the FIRST part would be in the affirmative.

I've been around IBM way too long to pretend an ability to 
second-guess their decisions. (Even when I know what one person or 
group _wants_ to happen, I'm smart enough by now to grok that it won't
necessarily happen.)

--Esther

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      22-Sep-99 23:22:04
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <37E87F2E.2A508F94@WarpCity.com>,
  Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

<snip>

> All staff members have installed and use OS/2 as their operating
> system. Windows (including WinOS2) is banned by company policy.
> None of us has WinOS2 or DOS installed on our systems.

Mein Führer, klingt wie eine gute Politik zum Zerstören der schlechten
freien denker. Alle hageln den Führer!

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


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From: fredell@ibm.net                                   22-Sep-99 18:56:19
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Communicator Startup Bug

From: fredell@ibm.net (Paul Fredell)

In message
<F3cu0n62uTsd-pn2-8qDQheV6KPjO@Peter.Weilbacher.dialin.T-Online.DE> -
Peter.Weilbacher@T-Online.deTue, 21 Sep 1999 19:45:37 +0200 writes:
:>
:>On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:25:12, blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart 
:>Honsberger) wrote:
:>
:>> On 31 Aug 1999 22:47:52 +1200, Jeremy Bowen wrote:
:>> >
:>> >Can anyone point me to a reference to the Communicator 4.61 command
:>> >line options. I wish to create Icons on the desktop for different
:>> >users and have it startup using the correct profile.
:>> 
:>> Try running "netscape /?". It should give you the parameters.
:>
:>This is both broken for me in 4.61 Beta. It worked in 4.04 with 
:>-P"user". 
:>But I have read somewhere, that it will be fixed in the 4.61 GA.
:>
:>Greetings,
:>	Peter.

Definitely fixed in the GA.  Works fine now.


==WPF==
pfredell@earthlink.net
fredell@ibm.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~pfredell/

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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             22-Sep-99 20:32:24
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Comm 4.61 GA DnD much better, but still not right

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

Noticed one more problem.

DnD to a folder open in details view, doesn't work.

Regards
Milind

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From: ZIKONYL@IBM.NET                                   22-Sep-99 22:53:28
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: BlueCad 2D to Neon3D DXF

From: ROBERTO GAINZA <ZIKONYL@IBM.NET>

I want make *.dxf files from Bluecad to Neon3D, for render.
I need a translator for it.
Where I can found, and the name of the file?

Thanks.

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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  22-Sep-99 15:40:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: mchasson@ibm.net

In <37E865EF.A6FA1A5C@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>, on 09/22/99 at 05:17 AM,
   "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> said:



>That's what statistics can do... show you a correlation, but not
>necessarily a causal relationship.  My bet is that the OS/2 users who
>would refuse to install Win-OS/2 are statistically the same people who
>would gravitate to the Matrox video
>card (given their OS/2 support).

>Jeffrey S. Kobal
>IBM Corporation
>Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team

Dizzy with success, to quote the late J. Stalin, eh Mike.  You guys have
done a tremendous and remarkable job,  but  trying to read the psyche of
this bunch defies reality.

Best wishes and thanks again.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51 

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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         22-Sep-99 20:17:18
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <7sb4je$joj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com> wrote:

> My problem is that I need backup software that will support the tape
> drive

Never mind.  I finally found the part of the HP site that gave me
something of an answer.  It looks like there really isn't any support
for this drive on OS/2 Warp 4.  I think we're gonna go with the CDRW
solution.  Sorry for the start -n- stop. :)

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             22-Sep-99 20:39:24
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: IBM OS/2 contact

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

I'd sugest Timothy Sipples.  Although I disagree with him completely 
on HPFS386.  IBM should either ship it on the client or shut up.

Regards
Milind

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          22-Sep-99 20:34:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 GA

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:25:24, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> 
a Úcrit dans un message:
snipt
> 
> As we have now learned.  Unfortunately, this is something that will have
> to wait until a service release until it is fixed; it should only be a
matter
> of defaulting to Courier if Courier New is not found.

Totally cool. We know here what "GA" means. But get us them workarounds and
we'll see that they get used; in our own best interests and all.

And it's amazing how much there is to learn about this OS, isn't it? You've
done an amazingly good job of sticking around and braving the harsher 
elements of our climate to keep making the code better. Hope IBM sees that 
it's worthwhile keeping y'all on this area of work for some time to come.

Thanks for all y'all's work.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             22-Sep-99 20:37:19
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: rmb on back and forward in 4.61

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

> How long has the rmb feature on the forward and back buttons been in
> netscape??
> 
> Just discovered it - kinda neat and handy.

I like that too, but if you go back, it drops the pages after that 
page from the list.  I wish Netscape would implement the web tree from
Web Explorer.  Now that was really neat and handy.

Regards
Milind

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     22-Sep-99 22:12:20
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:17:36 GMT, Siobhan Perricone wrote:

->> My problem is that I need backup software that will support the tape
->> drive
->
->Never mind.  I finally found the part of the HP site that gave me
->something of an answer.  It looks like there really isn't any support
->for this drive on OS/2 Warp 4.  I think we're gonna go with the CDRW
->solution.  Sorry for the start -n- stop. :)

Well, HP might not support it but that doesn't mean that it isn't
supported. If it's SCSI or EIDE attached then the chances are that
BackAgain/2 will drive it. Check their web site for a more definitive
answer, http://www.cds-inc.com


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             22-Sep-99 20:41:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

I have read of at least one tool that reconfigures the stupid Windows 
key.  So I suppose all the keys can be reconfigured.

Regards
Milind

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           22-Sep-99 14:58:08
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: (1/3) NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

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OK, I mentioned it on the chat, here are the details for making your own
throbber.

Create two bitmaps, one for small and one for large.

The small bitmap is composed of 16x16 pel frames in a horizontal strip.
The first frame is the still frame, while the rest of the strip is the
animation.

The large bitmap is the same as the small; the only difference is the
size of the frames - 32x32.

Before adding these lines to your prefs.js, BACK IT UP! If you make a
mistake, you could lose it.

Add these lines to your prefs.js:

user_pref("toolbar.logo.frames", 33); // Number of frames - your number
could be different
user_pref("toolbar.logo.win_large_file", "d:\\webexl.bmp"); // Location
of large bitmap - don't forget to double your backslash
user_pref("toolbar.logo.win_small_file", "d:\\webexs.bmp"); // Location
of large bitmap - don't forget to double your backslash

NOTE: You MUST have all three lines!

In my example, I have created a 32 frame animation with one extra frame
at the beginning for the still frame. I have two files for the
animations.

Now when you start Netscape, you get a custom animation.

I have attached two animations to get you started.

You can experiment if you like - the frames do not have to be square,
and they do not have to be 16 or 32 pels high or wide.

Enjoy!

Mike Kaply
IBM

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--- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165
 * Origin: Usenet: IBM (1:109/42)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           22-Sep-99 14:58:08
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: (2/3) NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           22-Sep-99 14:58:08
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: (3/3) NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

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 * Origin: Usenet: IBM (1:109/42)

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From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu                          22-Sep-99 22:31:13
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: rmb on back and forward in 4.61

From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Milind Rao
<milindr@bellsouth.net>],
who wrote in article
<yNUQIMEW4Brk-pn2-pwntHpNqSblc@adsl-79-140-63.atl.bellsouth.net>:
> > How long has the rmb feature on the forward and back buttons been in
> > netscape??
> > 
> > Just discovered it - kinda neat and handy.

What is it doing?

> I like that too, but if you go back, it drops the pages after that 
> page from the list.  I wish Netscape would implement the web tree from
> Web Explorer.  Now that was really neat and handy.

I already have a patch for Lynx to do this (and more).  Needs some
tweaking before I send it to the Lynx mailing list.

Ilya

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From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk                              22-Sep-99 21:49:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)

As other have said the keyboard should work as a basic keyboard.  If you
wanted to make use of the extra keys, you might be able to get at them through
Rexx.  I've just been looking at my copy of TYR in 21 days and there are
functions that return the scan codes.  You could get a Rexx script loaded in
Startup to do something useful with them.

But like the others I positively look for 101 or 102 key K/Bs preferably
american layout as I've got used to it - they are _rare_ in the UK.

In message <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-GdlPsqJv3Rfb@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca> -
racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette) writes:
:>
:>Hi guys,
:> 
:>I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
:>those available here, they all come with
:>keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
:>to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
:>I would like to know if those keyboard 
:>will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
:>is any use for those buttons 
:> 
:>//-------------------------
:>Thank you in advance
:>
:>Merci a l'avance
:>
:>Martin
:>
:>http://205.237.57.73/
:>
:>ICQ #48552954



Jim Backus - Electronic Systems Engineer - OS/2 user by choice
 - member of Amnesty International
 - supporter of Proportional Representation
Bona fide  replies to jimb (at) jita dot demon dot co dot uk

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From: stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au                   23-Sep-99 06:57:00
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au (stephen)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:10:20, rob@schroeder.net (Robert Schroeder) 
wrote:

> not only works good but is really fast 
> as well, even though its a Java application (VIO mode), and that's an 
> old K5-166 with far too little RAM for what's running (80 MB). 

Or, in my case, with a 486 and 32 mg RAM.

Regards,

Stephen

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From: jhong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca                           22-Sep-99 21:54:18
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: OS/2 Warp 3 & SES?

From: jhong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (John Hong)

	Got McAfee VirusScan 4.02 for OS/2 here.  Under a Warp 3 box it
says you have to have FP17 installed with SES first before any other
fixpak.  Okay, that's fine.  The readme says that one can get SES from
IBM's ftp site.  Great...well, it didn't provide me with which directory
to go.  I've looked at the IBM FTP site up and down and still can not see
where it could be.  Anyone know where it is?


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    23-Sep-99 00:01:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

stephen (stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au) wrote:
: On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:17:50, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
: Hong) wrote:

: > As well, what is also cool is 
: > that SmartCache also in a way replaces Internet JunkBuster, it too can 
: > kill banner adds and cookies as well as a few other features like 
: > changing one's referel header and changing one's user agent.  

: Although I do still have JunkBuster running concurrently for secure 
: sites which SmartCache does not handle. One uses port 8000 the other 
: 8080

	Is it possible to have both SmartCache and Internet Junkbuster 
running at the same time for a browser?  There is only room there for one 
http proxy...


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From: jensja@rz.fh-augsburg.de                          23-Sep-99 00:41:22
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: Jens Schiffler <jensja@rz.fh-augsburg.de>

Hi Siobhan,

Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> 
> I have an OS/2 Warp 4, FP 10 (PII) system that I'm setting up with
> Print Services Facility/2 (and nothing else).  It has two SCSI hard
> drives, a CD, a floppy drive, and a HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal
> tape drive.
[...] 
> My problem is that I need backup software that will support the tape
> drive.  Getting a new tape drive is not likely to be possible at this
> juncture, though we might be able to talk someone into a CDRW if I
> can't get this to work.  

If the tape drive is a scsi device, have a look at gtak & gtar! Gtak is
something like a scsi tape device driver for gtar. I've used it with a
HP DDS1 DAT streamer and perhaps it does support your travan device too.
I prefer gtar over any other backup software i've seen so far, because
it allows using filelists to specify backup sets and because it is a
comandline program, which means that you can automate the backup process
with batch/rexx programs.

[...]
> I have a copy of BackMaster 3.0, but I spent yesterday reading the
> archives of discussion in the newsgroups and saw that it has caused a
> number of people problems and seems to be finicky about what hardware
> it will work with, so I'm worried about trying to install it on this
> system.

Bye
Jens
--
Jens Schiffler  email: jensja@rz.fh-augsburg.de

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From: ecmille@ibm.net                                   22-Sep-99 23:47:18
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: Win16  plugins under Netscape Communicator 4.61

From: ecmille@ibm.net (Ted Miller)

:>>
:>>"Cato A. Guldberg" wrote:
:>>
:>>> Dear OS/2-friends,
:>>>
:>>>     I recently installed Netscape Communicator 4.61 (seems to work fine,
:>>> by the way) over my old Netscape Communicator 4.04 (with latest fixpak).
:>>> However, I seem to have lost my Win16 plugins during this install, at
:>>> least, they are not indexed in the "about:plugins". I tried to copy the
:>>> necessary DLL-files to the NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\PLUGINS directory, but
:>>> apparently without any success. Can anybody help me with this problem?
:>>>
:>>> Yours,
:>>>
:>>> Cato A. Guldberg.
:>>> --
:>>> Cato A. Guldberg, M.D.
:>>> Oscar Wistings gate 61 B
:>>> N-4019 STAVANGER, Norway.
:>>> Phone:    +47 51 58 23 35
:>>> Fax:      +47 51 52 50 03
:>>> e-mail:   cguldber@eunet.no
:>>
:>

Hello

Here is what I had to do to get my win3.1 plugins to work in Netscape 4.61.
Make sure your win3.1 plugins are installed in directory
x:\netscape\program\win16\plugins . The install of the pluginpak copied all
the dll files from this directory to x:\netscape\program\plugins and Netscape
refused to recognize my win3.1 plugins (shockwave and realplayer in my case).
I deleted these files from x:\netscape\program\plugins and voila the plugins
appeared when I clicked on help > about plugins. When I looked at the files in
x:\netscape\program\plugins again Netscape had recreated the deleted files but
they were all 3,158 bytes long and not the same as the original plugin dll's
from x:\netscape\program\win16\plugins. This solution has also worked for
several other people so I hope it solves your problem.

Ted Miller
ecmille@ibm.net

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    23-Sep-99 00:02:17
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: NS 4.04 vs. 4.61

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

	On a performance basis, is 4.61 slower than 4.04?  The same?  Quicker?


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From: thoman@verinet.com                                23-Sep-99 06:11:05
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <37dc0650$1$efzvgf$mr2ice@news.islandnet.com>, rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca
writes:
>
>I haven't been able to see the beginning of this thread, so maybe I've
>missed something. Symantec has just announced it's going to include an
>OS/2 client version in it's next release of the Norton  AntiVirus program.
>(I saw it in Focus on OS/2 ezine). Why is everybody pissed off at
>Symantec? This sounds like a positive development.

        I wonder if you were looking at outdated information.  I tiptoed
through Focus on OS/2 (http://os2.miningco.com) (doesn't look like an 
e-zine to me...) and ended up at
   http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2222963,00.html
which is from March of 1999.  Way back then, Esther Schindler reported
that Tim Ristine of Symantec said there would be an "end-user" version
of Norton Antivirus for OS/2 at an unspecified date.

        Earlier this week, I decided to try upgrading and so called
Symantec.  The rep I spoke with courteously took my info and asked that
I FAX proof of ownership of my 3 copies of IBM AntiVirus.  I FAXed,
and I received... three copies of Norton AntiVirus having nothing to
do with OS/2.
        So, I called again, described my woeful situation to another
rep, and was told that no sign of a single-user Norton AntiVirus for
OS/2 could be found among Symantec's offerings.  I described the debate
in this newsgroup among the "I got it with no trouble" and "Umpteen
calls to Symantec yielded nothing" camps.  At this, the rep put me on
hold to go inquire further.  She returned to the line and reported
being told that Symantec had been issuing single-user upgrades for a
while but quit due to low volume.  Thus, no go.  She said she would
refund my money for the botched order (thanks) and asked whether I
would be interested in a 10-user corporate license (no, thanks).

        In other news, here are a few info tidbits (true when I
checked 'em on 1999 Sept 22).
   http://www.indelible-blue.com/datasheet/IBMantivirus
      Claims OS/2 support is expected in the NAV retail box
         by August 1999.  That claim has been there for a while...
   http://www.symantec.com/corporate/ibm/offer.html
      Closes with:  "For inquiries regarding switching from
         single-unit copies of IBM AntiVirus to Norton
         AntiVirus, please call 1(800) 441-7234."
      Notice it doesn't claim they'll actually do anything for you,
         it just invites you to ask.  So, if you haven't asked yet,
         _do_.


-----
Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au                   23-Sep-99 15:10:10
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au (stephen)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:01:13, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> stephen (stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au) wrote:
> : On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:17:50, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
> : Hong) wrote:
> 
> : > As well, what is also cool is 
> : > that SmartCache also in a way replaces Internet JunkBuster, it too can 
> : > kill banner adds and cookies as well as a few other features like 
> : > changing one's referel header and changing one's user agent.  
> 
> : Although I do still have JunkBuster running concurrently for secure 
> : sites which SmartCache does not handle. One uses port 8000 the other 
> : 8080
> 
> 	Is it possible to have both SmartCache and Internet Junkbuster 
> running at the same time for a browser?  There is only room there for one 
> http proxy...
> 
> 

Yes, it is possible to set up the browser for SmartCache for insecure 
sites, that is the HTTP entry in the proxy configuration, and to set 
up Junkbuster for secure sites, that is the SECURITY entry in the 
proxy configuration. (HTTP and SECURITY are the titles given to these 
entries in 4.61). Well, that is how I have them set up and it seems to
work. 

Regards,

Stephen

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From: jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca                23-Sep-99 03:53:20
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca (Jack Troughton)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:49:58, Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>
wrote:

êTim,
êI will not engage in ceaseless and senseless name calling.
Û

Then you might as well killfile him, as I have.  It's the only arguing
style he seems to know.

Jack Troughton   ICQ:7494149
http://jakesplace.dhs.org
jack.troughton at videotron.ca
jake at jakesplace.dhs.org
MontrÚal PQ Canada

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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             23-Sep-99 01:39:09
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: rmb on back and forward in 4.61

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

> > > How long has the rmb feature on the forward and back buttons been in
> > > netscape??
> > > 
> > > Just discovered it - kinda neat and handy.
> 
> What is it doing?

Keeps a flat list of pages visited.  So you can jump to a page instead
of going backwards or forwards one page at a time.

What I discovered lately and found very useful was Ctrl-].  Very 
convenient for increasing/decreasing font sizes dynamically.  I wish 
Netscape would make use of URL objects so that I could store these 
(and other options) on a per site setting.

Regards
Milind

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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             23-Sep-99 01:41:20
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.04 vs. 4.61

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:02:34, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> 	On a performance basis, is 4.61 slower than 4.04?  The same?  Quicker?

Inspite of having more features, quicker and stabler.

Regards
Milind

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From: gjohn@csom.umn.edu                                23-Sep-99 01:14:20
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: OS2 PDF Software

From: gjohn@csom.umn.edu

I tried your suggestion many times, and the problem is that the list of
printers does not 
contain the names of Postscript printers.  Instead, there is a little button
to check 
called "Print to Postscript Printer".  If I do that, and then select the
resolution and
printer queue, and hit OK, I get an error message saying "cannot print PDF to 
Postscript printer  Use FIle|extract"

Well, it turns out that you can "print" a PDF file to the pswrite device, and
then
 print the resulting ps file.  The problem with this is that the PDF file
looks absolutely 
wretched after the translation from PDF to ps using the pswrite device.

It seems ironic that Ghostview can view and print ps files so well, and view
pdf files, 
but not print them to a postscript printer. Incidentally, it will print ps and 
pdf files well 
to a non-Postscript printer.

My understanding of the problem is that when you select a postscript printer
and print to that device, ghostscript essentially just hands off the file, and 

sicne the postscript printer cannot handel pdf files directly, the problem I
encountered
is the result.

Cheers,

>> I have been following this thread, and wondered if anyone could help me
with

1. Open the PDF with the File | Open dialog.
>
>2. Hit the Print button.
>
>3. Select the Device: you want, such as "laserjet" to print to a laser 
>printer.
>
>4. Select the Resolution you want.
>
>4. Uncheck the "Print to file" if it's selected.
>
>5. Select your printer in the Queue window.
>
>6. Hit OK.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Buddy
>
>Buddy Donnelly
>donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
>
>

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From: dtander@agt.net                                   23-Sep-99 01:20:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: dtander@agt.net (David T. Anderson)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:58:17, Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> 
wrote:

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> OK, I mentioned it on the chat, here are the details for making your own
> throbber.

Oh man -- this is SO cool....[grin].

You should have done this with one of the betas,  Mike....

David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    23-Sep-99 02:16:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: IBM OS/2 contact

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Milind Rao (milindr@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: I'd sugest Timothy Sipples.  Although I disagree with him completely 
: on HPFS386.  IBM should either ship it on the client or shut up.

	Pretty expensive from what I have read here...  With HPFS386, IBM 
pays a royalty to Microsoft for like $500 per copy or some amount of that 
kind.  So...a new OS/2 client going for at least $501, sorry but I won't 
be buying.  ;-)

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 22-Sep-99 21:28:16
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.04 vs. 4.61

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:

>	On a performance basis, is 4.61 slower than 4.04?  The same?  Quicker?

Quicker!! Way quicker!  In every way: browsing, retrieving
cached pages, reading newsgroups... and exiting!

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          23-Sep-99 11:00:22
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 GA -->OK 4.61 Beta -->NO GOOD

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I downloaded the latest PMView beta with it and it didn't die
as 4.04 used to. Guess I was lucky!

Cheers

Wayne


On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:25:02 -0400, Jerry McBride wrote:

:>I just HAD to come out of the shadows long enough to post this. The GA
version
:>of Communicator is wonderful!
:>
:>Thanks, to the netscape programming team!
:>
:>Now... to fix the dieing download problem... it's still there...
:>
:>
:>
:>--
:>
:>*****************************************************************************
**
:>*            Sometimes, the BEST things in life really ARE free...           
 *
:>*       Get a FREE copy of NetRexx 1.150 for your next java project at:      
 *
:>*                     http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/netrexx                    
 *
:>*****************************************************************************
**
:>
:>/----------------------------------------\
:>| From the desktop of: Jerome D. McBride |
:>|         mcbrides@erols.com             |
:>\----------------------------------------/
:>
:>--
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
******************************************************



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From: HughCampbell@home.com                             23-Sep-99 02:54:09
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: StarOffice and WordPerfect

From: Hugh Campbell <HughCampbell@home.com>

Does anyone have any experience using Star Office to read WordPerfect
files?

My office is fully WordPerfect at the present time, and I would like to
try out Star Office.  However, the download version does not come with
WordPerfect filters, though I gather that the CD may do so.  However,
this information was obtained prior to the SUN purchase and change in
licensing.

Does anyone use StarOffice to read WP files?  If so, how well does it do
so?

I would really appreciate any experience that you may have.

Hugh Campbell
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                22-Sep-99 22:18:25
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: awget: how to add files for download manually ?

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:24:41, Wolfgang Fritsch 
<fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de> wrote:

> In <37e8992a$2$sevgfpu$mr2ice@news.hmi.de>, on 09/22/99 
>    at 10:44 AM, Wolfgang Fritsch <fritsch@remove-this.hmi.de> said:
> 
> >With awget (auto-wget), how can one add files for download manually?
> 
> >I did try to set up manually an URL ftp object that I then dragged to the
> >"todo" folder but then awget seems to do nothing (it starts  downloading
> >o.k. but no further reaction in the awget daemon window).
> 
> Correction: the manual mode does work (I was looking at the daemon window
> and not at the download window). Sorry for the mixup.

Open the desktop folder Awget installs.  Choose ADD URL.  Box pops up 
where you can type, cut&paste, however you want.  For URLS from Comm/2
use RMB,  choose 'copy link location', paste it in the popup and edit 
as desired.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: sctvguy@netcenter.net                             23-Sep-99 00:48:04
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: 4.61 and Warp 3 Connect

From: Bob Grimes <sctvguy@netcenter.net>

Everything downloaded fine, Java 1.18 working, downloading, mail, news,
etc.  No problems.  I still have 2.02 and 4.04 on the system.  Guess I
will download it to my Warp 4 partition.  Seems very nice.

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From: JNiffen@IBM.Net                                   23-Sep-99 00:14:09
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: IBM OS/2 contact

From: JNiffen <JNiffen@IBM.Net>

John Hong wrote:
> 
> Milind Rao (milindr@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> : I'd sugest Timothy Sipples.  Although I disagree with him completely
> : on HPFS386.  IBM should either ship it on the client or shut up.
> 
>         Pretty expensive from what I have read here...  With HPFS386, IBM
> pays a royalty to Microsoft for like $500 per copy or some amount of that
> kind.  So...a new OS/2 client going for at least $501, sorry but I won't
> be buying.  ;-)
Besides, JFS performs better.

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From: ivask@gaia.gi.ee                                  23-Sep-99 08:20:27
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: StarOffice and WordPerfect

From: Jyri Ivask <ivask@gaia.gi.ee>

Hugh Campbell wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience using Star Office to read WordPerfect
> files?
>
> My office is fully WordPerfect at the present time, and I would like to
> try out Star Office.  However, the download version does not come with
> WordPerfect filters, though I gather that the CD may do so.  However,
> this information was obtained prior to the SUN purchase and change in
> licensing.

Hi.

The version downloadable from the Sun's site:
http://www.sun.com/products/staroffice/get.html
contains WordPerfect filters. You may have to use a custom install to get
all you need.  However, I have not tested them and cant say anything about
their quality.

Regards
J�ri Ivask
ivask@gi.ee

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From: Skree@stubble.jumpers                             23-Sep-99 00:53:17
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: rmb on back and forward in 4.61

From: Skree@stubble.jumpers

In <yNUQIMEW4Brk-pn2-0gCRvsJyHyUb@adsl-79-140-63.atl.bellsouth.net>, on
09/23/99 
   at 01:39 AM, milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao) said:

Q}> > > How long has the rmb feature on the forward and back buttons been in
Q}> > > netscape??
Q}> > > 
Q}> > > Just discovered it - kinda neat and handy.
Q}> 
Q}> What is it doing?

Q}Keeps a flat list of pages visited.  So you can jump to a page instead
Q}of going backwards or forwards one page at a time.

Q}What I discovered lately and found very useful was Ctrl-].  Very 
Q}convenient for increasing/decreasing font sizes dynamically.  I wish 
Q}Netscape would make use of URL objects so that I could store these  (and
Q}other options) on a per site setting.

Q}Regards
Q}Milind

Kewl - hotkey font size adjustment - now thats rad.

-- 
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Kenn Sunley
MR/2 ICE ver 1.60 reg'd
Date: 1999.09.23
Time: 00:53:34 - -0600

Warp 4
233Mhz PII
ATI Xpert@work
Gradd Rocks - thank you IBM
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From: whonea@codenet.net                                23-Sep-99 01:12:25
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: StarOffice and WordPerfect

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:54:19, Hugh Campbell <HughCampbell@home.com> 
wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience using Star Office to read WordPerfect
> files?
> 
> My office is fully WordPerfect at the present time, and I would like to
> try out Star Office.  However, the download version does not come with
> WordPerfect filters, though I gather that the CD may do so.  However,
> this information was obtained prior to the SUN purchase and change in
> licensing.
> 
> Does anyone use StarOffice to read WP files?  If so, how well does it do
> so?
> 
> I would really appreciate any experience that you may have.
 
The Sun version d/l includes the WordPerfect filters for inout only - 
can't save to WP format.  Near as I can tell, they are pretty solid.  
I've used them to import docs with tables, columns, graphics, wierd 
fonts and styles.  So far, so good - haven't lost anything (yet).

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: Johannes.Hromadka@siemens.at                      23-Sep-99 09:34:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: EPM -- open REXX file = SYS3175

From: Johannes Hromadka <Johannes.Hromadka@siemens.at>

Paul Fredell wrote:
> 
> I've encountered a problem opening a REXX file in EPM under Warp 4,
> FP11. With one particular file I get a SYS3175 as shown:

> Anybody know what's going on here and have a fix?

No fix, but a workaround. Split the EA's using the eautil command.


	Hannes

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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           23-Sep-99 02:45:18
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.04 vs. 4.61

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

John Hong wrote:
> 
>         On a performance basis, is 4.61 slower than 4.04?  The same? 
Quicker?

Definitely faster than 4.04 and in my oppinion faster than the Linux and
windooze counterparts.

Robert

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From: C.J.@btsoftware.com                               23-Sep-99 10:31:21
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: File Commander/2 !!!!!!!!!!

From: "C.J." <C.J.@btsoftware.com>

File Commander/2
************************
File Manager

File Commander is a 32 bit text mode file manager and shell that allows you
to locate, copy, move, delete, view, edit and execute your files in a quick,
convenient and customizable manner.

Versions for windows 95/98/NT and OS2 are available.

Check it out and download File Commander/2 for a free trial period from:
	http://www.btsoftware.com/os2/filecmdr.htm



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From: michael.schulz@btinternet.com                     23-Sep-99 10:22:16
  To: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.04 vs. 4.61

To: John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca>
From: Michael Schulz <michael.schulz@btinternet.com>

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John,

go for it. Miles faster then 4.04, rock-solid and has many more features

John Hong wrote:

>         On a performance basis, is 4.61 slower than 4.04?  The same? 
Quicker?

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From: clive@cee3DOTdemonDOTco.uk                        22-Sep-99 11:56:05
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: "Clive" <clive@cee3DOTdemonDOTco.uk>

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:30:18 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:

:>Isxios wrote:
:>
:>> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:19:08, Don Buska <d.buska@aaiate.com> wrote:
:>>
:>> > I just tried the 4.61 GA and it has problems here.  While browsing the
:>> > first thing I noticed was any site that have entry fields (search
:>> > engines or eBay for example) the fields are gone!  It appears they are
:>> > there but have been reduced to the size of a small line about one
:>> > character width.  I did noticed that I would get the cursor to change to
:>> > a text entry form (from arrow to the "I" looking text entry style) if I
:>> > carefully placed it over the small line.  However, if I attempt to enter
:>> > text at that point it doesn't take it!
:>> >
:>> > I backed out of 4.61 GA and reinstalled 4.61 Beta and all has returned
:>> > to normal again.  Looks like the GA release is one step backward for me.
:>> >
:>> > I am using a 200MHz Pentium board with 128MB RAM.  Video is a Matrox
:>> > Mellinium II 8MB PCI at 1600X1200.
:>> >
:>> > Let's see if others have the same problem.
:>> >
:>> > Don
:>>
:>> I have the same problem, as do several other of my cyber friends. The
:>> one thing we all have in common? Matrox.
:>
:>Complain to Matrox!
:>
:>The answer is to change default font from Courier New to
:>just plain Courier. Matrox does not support Courier New
:>and that's why you are having the problem.
:>

Interesting.. I have Courier New here.. and I run Matrox.

Courier New comes with Win-OS2.. maybe not everyone has WinOS2 installed and
thus do not have the font.. Matrox, I think, has nothing to do with it.

,c.



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From: clive@cee3DOTdemonDOTco.uk                        22-Sep-99 11:46:24
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: "Clive" <clive@cee3DOTdemonDOTco.uk>

On 21 Sep 1999 08:22:09 GMT, Mike Fry wrote:

:>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:02, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
:>wrote:
:>
:>> This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows it 
:>> dated today:
:>> 
:>> 	ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
:>
:>Tried downloading this twice using NS2.02 from the HTTP reference. Guess
:>what? Finally been hit by this downloading problem! Funny thing is, on 
:>both occasions it stopped at exactly the same place. Must be some sort 
:>of time limitation at the site.


Tried three times here.  Falls off (but now trying with ftp client).

I don't know about any time limitation as I was getting a good 25-30Kb/s when
it was coming through..  let's see if I get the whole caboodle this time
round..

,c.



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From: bandyo@wam.umd.edu                                23-Sep-99 06:19:04
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: StarOffice and WordPerfect

From: Sushenjit Bandyopadhyay <bandyo@wam.umd.edu>

The SUN version 5.1a has the filters for WordPerfect, but I haven't 
tried them yet.

Susshenjit

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9-23-99, 2:54:19 AM, Hugh Campbell <HughCampbell@home.com> wrote 
regarding StarOffice and WordPerfect:


> Does anyone have any experience using Star Office to read WordPerfect
> files?

> My office is fully WordPerfect at the present time, and I would like 
to
> try out Star Office.  However, the download version does not come with
> WordPerfect filters, though I gather that the CD may do so.  However,
> this information was obtained prior to the SUN purchase and change in
> licensing.

> Does anyone use StarOffice to read WP files?  If so, how well does it 
do
> so?

> I would really appreciate any experience that you may have.

> Hugh Campbell
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada



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From: bill.m@no.spam.net                                23-Sep-99 11:45:15
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:00
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: bill.m@no.spam.net

In
<pyvirprrqbgqrzbaqbgpbhx.figx610.pminews@news.cable.ntl.com>,
on 09/22/99 
   at 11:46 AM, "Clive" <clive@cee3DOTdemonDOTco.uk> said:

>Tried three times here.  Falls off (but now trying with ftp
>client).

>I don't know about any time limitation as I was getting a
>good 25-30Kb/s when it was coming through..  let's see if I
>get the whole caboodle this time round..

This is very difficult for me to understand : IBM is suppose
to be selling solutions concerning servers connected to the
internet. Why is one of their servers, which should be a
showcase on how it can be done, 'dropping' so many
connections? When you have connected and received 6MB+ and
are then dropped, I feel the engineers need to go back to
the drawing board. Per the message boards this is happening
in a significant percentage of the attempts




Have a good one!

wmmorrow (at) flash (dot) net 
 All opinion expressed are my own - no one else believes
them.


Bill M.

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 23-Sep-99 08:34:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca (Jack Troughton) wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:49:58, Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>
>wrote:
>
>ÛTim,
>ÛI will not engage in ceaseless and senseless name calling.
>Û
>
>Then you might as well killfile him, as I have.  

That's for sure.  I do not know why people take him so
seriously.  I mean, I do understand, but he's just a troll,
sitting at his keyboard goofing on everyone.  

Folks, JUST IGNORE HIM, that's the worst thing you can do to
him.  Don't let him get your goat, 'cause that's all he
doing.  He'll find an issue and start harping on it until he
gets a few people wound up 'cause they can't stand his BS. 
If no one goes for his bait, he throws more juicy stuff out
there.  Then he sits back and enjoys all the flaming, and
winds everyone up even more.  

Then he waits until things die down a bit -- maybe if he
gets attacked again, he vows to leave usenet.  Then he
quiets for a few weeks or months.  Then he posts some useful
information and pointers, and softens the hearts of people,
because he knows a bit about OS/2.  Then he finds an
"issue," or makes one up, and starts the cycle all over
again.

It may happen someday that he oversteps the line and
slanders or libels someone, but I suspect he's rather too
cowardly to veer that close.  Failing that, in any case, I
believe you'll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor
by simply ignoring him, or killfiling him.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               23-Sep-99 13:48:05
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

To the contrary. This opinion is my opinion based on 7 years of 
dealing with several IBM divisions, and reporting on IBM's activities,
from the point of view of ISVs and software entrepreneurs, as a book 
author about two IBM products, as a sysop in IBM forums, and from 
interaction with dozens of IBM employees (on the record and off).

You're welcome to your own opinion, Tim, based on whatever data you 
have to work with.

--Esther

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:56:37, Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk> 
wrote:

| err... This bullshit is your opinion masquerading as facts.
| 
| 
| Kind regards,
| Tim
| 
| Esther Schindler wrote:
| 
| > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:01:47, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
| >
| > | In a nutshell, that's my beef with IBM. How about a little open and
honest
| > | dissemination of intentions from the ONLY people who know their plans -
| > | IBM ? We all bought the product, we all have time and effort and money
| > | invested, whatever they want to do is their business, just TELL US !
then
| > | we can get on with our lives, decide what is best for us individually,
not
| > | have to sift rumours and innuendo for scraps of insight.  Or does IBM
shelter
| > | under the CIA umbrella now ? If anyone can be said to be responsible for 
the
| > | OS/2 FUD campaign, it'd be IBM for never being upfront with us. And YES,
| > | we deserve it - we bought the product, now come out and tell the truth,
| > | get it over with !
| >
| > I'm afraid that the chances of this happening are rather low.
| >
| > Even if IBM has no intention of coming out with a new client, if they
| > believe a new client is an utter and complete impossibility, they
| > won't say so, straight out. They never want to put themselves in the
| > position of being wrong. If they say, "We'll never do it" and then
| > later they _do_ find themselves in the position of doing it (for
| > whatever reason, because situations change) then someone can say, "you
| > lied!" So they say, "...not at this time..." which is purposefully
| > vague.
| >
| > I'm not saying that this is the right thing to do, but it's a common
| > corporate thing to do. <sigh>
| >
| > --Esther
| 


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Sep-99 12:00:00
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: OS2 PDF Software

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:14:41, gjohn@csom.umn.edu a Úcrit dans un message:

> I tried your suggestion many times, and the problem is that the list of
printers does not 
> contain the names of Postscript printers.  Instead, there is a little button 
to check 
> called "Print to Postscript Printer".  If I do that, and then select the
resolution and
> printer queue, and hit OK, I get an error message saying "cannot print PDF
to 
> Postscript printer  Use FIle|extract"
> 
> Well, it turns out that you can "print" a PDF file to the pswrite device,
and then
>  print the resulting ps file.  The problem with this is that the PDF file
looks absolutely 
> wretched after the translation from PDF to ps using the pswrite device.
> 
> It seems ironic that Ghostview can view and print ps files so well, and view 
pdf files, 
> but not print them to a postscript printer. Incidentally, it will print ps
and pdf files well 
> to a non-Postscript printer.
> 
> My understanding of the problem is that when you select a postscript printer
> and print to that device, ghostscript essentially just hands off the file,
and 
> sicne the postscript printer cannot handel pdf files directly, the problem I 
encountered
> is the result.


I understand the complexity of what you're saying. I'm trying to overcome a
new printer problem here and can't test any of that, but I do remember 
getting things working smoothly enough in GSView with my PCL5/PS laser 
printer last year.

I just did a quick check and for some reason my new (PS) printer isn't 
showing up on the list of PS printers, so I clearly have a lot of work to 
do.

Meanwhile, can you print PDFs okay with AcroRead?


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         23-Sep-99 12:07:24
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-oDOgjIFNKd1r@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>,
  racette@cablevision.qc.ca wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:45:21, Siobhan
> Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> Go with BackAgain/2, it support anything
> that can be use through a SCSI bus, or
> as a Hard-Drive, so in your case it's
> access through the SCSI, so it will work
> just fine.

Uhm, I don't think it's a scsi tape drive.  Does that make a difference?

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         23-Sep-99 12:17:26
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <37E96938.7F23FD7@rz.fh-augsburg.de>,
  Jens Schiffler <jensja@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> >
> > I have an OS/2 Warp 4, FP 10 (PII) system that I'm setting up with
> > Print Services Facility/2 (and nothing else).  It has two SCSI hard
> > drives, a CD, a floppy drive, and a HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal
> > tape drive.
>
> If the tape drive is a scsi device

I can see how my statement above was misleading.  Sorry for that.  I
don't believe the drive is scsi at all.  It's not hooked into my scsi
adapter.  I only have two network cards and two hard drives hooked into
the scsi adapter.  I don't think the tape drive is.  I suppose I need
to double check that.

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Sep-99 12:40:05
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: IBM OS/2 contact

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:16:46, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) a 
Úcrit dans un message:

> Milind Rao (milindr@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> : I'd sugest Timothy Sipples.  Although I disagree with him completely 
> : on HPFS386.  IBM should either ship it on the client or shut up.
> 
> 	Pretty expensive from what I have read here...  With HPFS386, IBM 
> pays a royalty to Microsoft for like $500 per copy or some amount of that 
> kind.  So...a new OS/2 client going for at least $501, sorry but I won't 
> be buying.  ;-)

To start with, do you realize what a trivial sum $500 is to IBM? And if 
they're bitching because there aren't enough OS/2 users to make life worth 
while to them, then that's just that many fewer multiples of $500 they'd 
have to pay, theoretically.

But then there's the ridiculousness of that figure: $500. If it is actually
covered in a contract somewhere, I'd suggest (as I'm sure many of their 
advisers would do) that they simply renegotiate to a more reasonable 
figure. I'd be willing to bet that there were bizarre aspects of their 
relationship involved in setting that number, if indeed it is that high. 
(And if M$ won't look at it again, a short walk over to the DOJ would 
probably stir up some extra attention for the issue.)


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not                        23-Sep-99 06:12:07
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: PM View 2.0 ?

From: "Alex Blair" <ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not>

I am a registered user of PM View. Where can I download the latest BETA ?

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:42:42 GMT, David T. Anderson wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:48:44, "Alex Blair" 
><ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not> wrote:
>
>> Any news on the GA release of PM View 2.0 for OS/2 and the Windows
>> counterpart ?
>> 
>> Last I heard it was sceduled by end of August ?
>
>Peter Neilson is still grinding out beta versions, but these 'Betas' 
>look terriffic....at least as good as any GA program I've ever seen.  
>Many of the beta testers have been strongly suggesting [pleading?] 
>that the program is ready to go.  I agree.  I can't imagine the beta 
>cycle will last more than a few more weeks...  [That's in reference to
>the OS/2 version.  It appears as though there are still some 
>not-totally-insignificant bugs in the Win95 version, tho' you have to 
>look hard to find them.  Possibly the desire to release both OS/2 and 
>WinX versions simultaneously is part of the holdup...]
>
>Anybody who hasn't registered PMView 1.05 in order to take advantage 
>of the free lifetime upgrade to V. 2.0 is missing out on a great 
>deal....
>
>
>David T. Anderson
>Calgary, Alberta



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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               23-Sep-99 15:20:15
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

"David T. Anderson" schrieb:
> 
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:58:17, Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > OK, I mentioned it on the chat, here are the details for making your own
> > throbber.
> 
> Oh man -- this is SO cool....[grin].
> 
> You should have done this with one of the betas,  Mike....

Aaarrghh! Where is the original message? It seems my newsserver killed
it. Can anybody repost the message, PLEASE???

Thanks

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               23-Sep-99 15:41:15
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Comm 4.61 throbber?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Hi everyone!

A few minutes ago I read about the ability to make customized throbbers,
i.e. Netscape logo replacements, for Communicator 4.61, but the message
was cut and I can't find the original message on DejaNews or on my
newsserver.
Can anyone repost the original message please?

Thanks

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          23-Sep-99 10:22:15
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

Jack Troughton wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:49:58, Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>
> wrote:
> 
> ÿTim,
> ÿI will not engage in ceaseless and senseless name calling.
>  
> 
> Then you might as well killfile him, as I have.  It's the only arguing
> style he seems to know.

Mr. Troughton,

I appreciate your advice, but I don't use a killfile.  I know that
Tim has been involved in some pretty nasty skirmishes in this
newsgroup, but I don't believe he is to blame for most of that.  
Yes, he's posted his share, but I still believe that some of his 
material was posted in reaction to the treatment he received.  
Those who posted the attacks against him also bear responsibility.

I have watched as someone, with what can be described as boyish 
exuberance and zeal, posted articles, and then was soundly and 
repeatedly thrashed by a USENET mob.  Tim's reaction was not
the best, admittedly.  But, I'll give him credit for this: he
hasn't backed down.  

Now, I certainly don't approve of the way he handled the situation.
But, I also want to make it clear that I am not to be numbered 
amongst those who participated or who will join in the USENET 
beatings of Tim or anyone else.

Tim continues to make good contributions to other OS/2 newsgroups.
I am encouraging him to reconsider his stance in this newsgroup.

Thanks for the post.

Bennie Nelson

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                23-Sep-99 11:23:03
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum) said:

> Failing that, in any case, I
>believe you'll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor
>by simply ignoring him, or killfiling him.

Amen - Hallelujah!!

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               23-Sep-99 10:24:02
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

Many of the people on the Compuserve OS/2 forums (fora?) who received and
tried
Nortaon AntiVirus for OS/2 don't like it, so I never bothered pushing Symantec 
to
send me one.

Alan

thoman@verinet.com wrote:

>         Earlier this week, I decided to try upgrading and so called
> Symantec.  The rep I spoke with courteously took my info and asked that
> I FAX proof of ownership of my 3 copies of IBM AntiVirus.  I FAXed,
> and I received... three copies of Norton AntiVirus having nothing to
> do with OS/2.
>         So, I called again, described my woeful situation to another
> rep, and was told that no sign of a single-user Norton AntiVirus for
> OS/2 could be found among Symantec's offerings.  I described the debate
> in this newsgroup among the "I got it with no trouble" and "Umpteen
> calls to Symantec yielded nothing" camps.  At this, the rep put me on
> hold to go inquire further.  She returned to the line and reported
> being told that Symantec had been issuing single-user upgrades for a
> while but quit due to low volume.  Thus, no go.  She said she would
> refund my money for the botched order (thanks) and asked whether I
> would be interested in a 10-user corporate license (no, thanks).

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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               23-Sep-99 10:27:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: StarOffice and WordPerfect

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

How does StarOffice (with the WP import filters) handle WordPerfect's
"subdivided  pages"?

Alan


Will Honea wrote:

> The Sun version d/l includes the WordPerfect filters for inout only -
> can't save to WP format.  Near as I can tell, they are pretty solid.
> I've used them to import docs with tables, columns, graphics, wierd
> fonts and styles.  So far, so good - haven't lost anything (yet).

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           23-Sep-99 14:42:24
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

Due to popular demand, I am re-posting this post

Lorne

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:58:17, Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> 
wrote:

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> OK, I mentioned it on the chat, here are the details for making your own
> throbber.
> 
> Create two bitmaps, one for small and one for large.
> 
> The small bitmap is composed of 16x16 pel frames in a horizontal strip.
> The first frame is the still frame, while the rest of the strip is the
> animation.
> 
> The large bitmap is the same as the small; the only difference is the
> size of the frames - 32x32.
> 
> Before adding these lines to your prefs.js, BACK IT UP! If you make a
> mistake, you could lose it.
> 
> Add these lines to your prefs.js:
> 
> user_pref("toolbar.logo.frames", 33); // Number of frames - your number
> could be different
> user_pref("toolbar.logo.win_large_file", "d:\\webexl.bmp"); // Location
> of large bitmap - don't forget to double your backslash
> user_pref("toolbar.logo.win_small_file", "d:\\webexs.bmp"); // Location
> of large bitmap - don't forget to double your backslash
> 
> NOTE: You MUST have all three lines!
> 
> In my example, I have created a 32 frame animation with one extra frame
> at the beginning for the still frame. I have two files for the
> animations.
> 
> Now when you start Netscape, you get a custom animation.
> 
> I have attached two animations to get you started.
> 
> You can experiment if you like - the frames do not have to be square,
> and they do not have to be 16 or 32 pels high or wide.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Mike Kaply
> IBM
> 
> -------Begin Encoded File-------
> Encoded filename: webexl.bmp
> Decoded path: file:///F:\PRONEWS\DECODED\webexl.bmp
> Encoding type: Base 64
> File size: 16KB
> --------End Encoded File--------
> 
> -------Begin Encoded File-------
> Encoded filename: webexs.bmp
> Decoded path: file:///F:\PRONEWS\DECODED\webexs.bmp
> Encoding type: Base 64
> File size: 4KB
> --------End Encoded File--------
> 
> wx


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From: donm@ftel.net                                     23-Sep-99 15:41:22
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: Star Office 5.1

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

:>
:>I need to know if I can run Star Office without that Win 95 bar in the
:>bottom, it really angry me
:>
-
:>

Turn off the Integrated Desktop under View....

********************************************************
  If a million monkeys on typewriters can eventually
       type out the Bible, given enough time.
     Then Bill Gates had 25 monkeys and a week! 
********************************************************
  dmorse@pacificnet.net using Merlin and EmTec News
    ICQ 245937, AOL IM merlinof2  www.blackpalace.com
********************************************************

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From: dholmes@trellis.net                               23-Sep-99 11:43:26
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Wordpro and hard lockups

From: Dan Holmes <dholmes@trellis.net>

When using Wordpro 1.1 my system will sometimes lockup (ie
the mouse will not move).  It will do this when i select
text on the page or try to resize a graphic.  Sometimes the
spell checker causes this.  Any ideas?

Warp 4 Fp11 maxtrox G200.
-- 
-------------------
Dan Holmes
Integrated Visual Systems, Inc.
voice 704-847-3379
fax   704-847-4655
mailto:dholmes@trellis.net
work -> http://www.ivsi.com
play -> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hollow/3097

Insert Disclaimer:
Most of the time i think for myself, at least that is what
they tell me.

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From: nospam@nospam.noway.com                           23-Sep-99 12:22:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: "Roberto F. Salomon" <nospam@nospam.noway.com>

What tool was used to merge the files into one single file?


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From: dholmes@trellis.net                               23-Sep-99 11:43:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Wordpro and hard lockups

From: Dan Holmes <dholmes@trellis.net>

When using Wordpro 1.1 my system will sometimes lockup (ie
the mouse will not move).  It will do this when i select
text on the page or try to resize a graphic.  Sometimes the
spell checker causes this.  Any ideas?

Warp 4 Fp11 maxtrox G200.
-- 
-------------------
Dan Holmes
Integrated Visual Systems, Inc.
voice 704-847-3379
fax   704-847-4655
mailto:dholmes@trellis.net
work -> http://www.ivsi.com
play -> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hollow/3097

Insert Disclaimer:
Most of the time i think for myself, at least that is what
they tell me.

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           23-Sep-99 16:31:03
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.04 vs. 4.61

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:02:34, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> 	On a performance basis, is 4.61 slower than 4.04?  The same?  Quicker?
> 
> 

Haven't tried it, yet, on my old 486 DX2-50, but it is definetely 
FASTER on my P200.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                23-Sep-99 16:02:12
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:45:31, bill.m@no.spam.net wrote:

îThis is very difficult for me to understand : IBM is suppose
îto be selling solutions concerning servers connected to the
îinternet. Why is one of their servers, which should be a
îshowcase on how it can be done, 'dropping' so many
îconnections?

It's not the servers - it's your current Netscape. Do the 
download with Web Explorer (as I have done after getting 
dropped numerous times under Netscape), and you will go 
through to the end without the slightest hint of getting 
dropped.



________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           23-Sep-99 11:05:16
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

I just used iconedit to make the image.

BTW guys and gals, this worked in the betas and in 4.04 :)

Mike

"Roberto F. Salomon" wrote:

>What tool was used to merge the files into one single file?

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           23-Sep-99 11:07:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

OK, FYI, boulder put netscape on their fastest server and y'all crashed
it!

So they are moving to a server with many times more the capacity.

That's really the answer.

We underestimated demand.

Mike Kaply



bill.m@no.spam.net wrote:

>This is very difficult for me to understand : IBM is suppose
>to be selling solutions concerning servers connected to the
>internet. Why is one of their servers, which should be a
>showcase on how it can be done, 'dropping' so many
>connections?

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           23-Sep-99 11:09:21
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: (1/2) REPOST: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------AE5AEAC6E3401A7CB2E6A5F8
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

REPOST:

OK, I mentioned it on the chat, here are the details for making your own

throbber.

Create two bitmaps, one for small and one for large.

The small bitmap is composed of 16x16 pel frames in a horizontal strip.
The first frame is the still frame, while the rest of the strip is the
animation.

The large bitmap is the same as the small; the only difference is the
size of the frames - 32x32.

Before adding these lines to your prefs.js, BACK IT UP! If you make a
mistake, you could lose it.

Add these lines to your prefs.js:

user_pref("toolbar.logo.frames", 33); // Number of frames - your number
could be different
user_pref("toolbar.logo.win_large_file", "d:\\webexl.bmp"); // Location
of large bitmap - don't forget to double your backslash
user_pref("toolbar.logo.win_small_file", "d:\\webexs.bmp"); // Location
of large bitmap - don't forget to double your backslash

NOTE: You MUST have all three lines!

In my example, I have created a 32 frame animation with one extra frame
at the beginning for the still frame. I have two files for the
animations.

Now when you start Netscape, you get a custom animation.

I have attached two animations to get you started.

You can experiment if you like - the frames do not have to be square,
and they do not have to be 16 or 32 pels high or wide.

Enjoy!

Mike Kaply
IBM

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--- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165
 * Origin: Usenet: IBM (1:109/42)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           23-Sep-99 11:09:21
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: (2/2) REPOST: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           23-Sep-99 16:31:05
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: New Keyboard ????

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:00:38, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
Racette) wrote:

> Hi guys,
>  
> I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
> those available here, they all come with
> keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
> to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
> I would like to know if those keyboard 
> will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
> is any use for those buttons 
>  
> //-------------------------
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Merci a l'avance
> 
> Martin
> 
> http://205.237.57.73/
> 
> ICQ #48552954

I just saw one of those keyboards for the first time. Kinda neat, but 
I suspect that the extra keys won't do anything in OS/2.  I can't 
think of any reason why the basic keyboard won't work properly.

There is a package (look for WIN95KEY.ZIP, in the usual places), that 
will assign stuff to the 3 windows keys (on the main keyboard, between
the Ctrl and Alt keys). I haven't tried it, so I can't comment on how 
well it works. Perhaps a later version will also incorporate those 
fancy new keys.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           23-Sep-99 11:47:04
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: REPOST: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

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From: rjlapham@infinet.com                              23-Sep-99 14:13:19
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:02
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham)

In <37E865EF.A6FA1A5C@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>, on 09/22/99 
   at 05:17 AM, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> said:

> Actually, the Matrox connection was a red herring.  It turns out that
> installing Win-OS/2 also gives you Courier New. Matrox DOES support
> Courier New, if it is installed.

I assume by Win-OS/2 you mean either Warp 4 or Warp 3 blue.  I have Warp 3
red and have Windows support but no Courier New.

    -Jerry
-- 
============================================================
Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com
Written Thursday, September 23, 1999 - 02:13 PM (EDT)
============================================================
MR/2 Ice tag:  In the wake of the recent Atlanta murders, will Bill Clinton
call for a five day waiting period on day trading?

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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               23-Sep-99 14:28:24
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:02
Subj: Reply from IBM

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

This message seems to be in reponse to my e-mail to Lou Gerstner expressing my
disappointment that there is apparently to be no new OS/2 client:




morecsat@us.ibm.com wrote:

> Dear Mr. Beagley,
>
> Thank you for your interest in IBM's OS/2 family of products.  IBM often
> explores possible business opportunities with other companies.   We do not
> discuss these potential opportunities publicly until a contractual
relationship is
> finalized.
>
> IBM's OS/2 initiative is for customers to achieve platform independence via
our
> application model referred to as the Application Framework for e-business. 
Our
> strategy is focused on server-managed clients.  WorkSpace On-Demand and Warp
> Server for e-business is our solution to this environment and is a early
step for
> transition to the Application Framework.  Our server-managed client solution
> offers centralized management and control of heterogeneous clients,
potential
> lower cost of ownership, and rapid deployment of applications.
>
> We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server for e-business
and
> WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002.  These enhancements will
focus on
> e-business technologies, extending WorkSpace On-Demand to industry servers
other
> than OS/2, and hardware and device driver support that we believe is most
> essential to our key enterprise customers.
>
> We appreciate your feedback regarding IBM and its products.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry Thorn
> NCSD Marketing

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From: bobshall                                          23-Sep-99 18:32:18
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:02
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: bobshall(@sd.znet.com (Robert Shallenberg)

NS2.02 worked perfectly for downloading NS4.61GA.   I installed it then tried
to download the pluginpak3.0 with 4.61GA.  No joy.  It dropped me 3 times,
so-- back to 2.02 for downloads.  4,61 did ok on a smaller dl from hobbes
which I  did just for a test.

If 2.02 can do it, maybe it's not the server's fault?

Bob
Robert Shallenberg
Oceanside, California

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From: nospam@nospam.noway.com                           23-Sep-99 16:29:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: "Roberto F. Salomon" <nospam@nospam.noway.com>

What I meant is, how did you concatenate the images?  I tried using copy
file1.bmp + file2.bmp file3.bmp but it does not work. 


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 19:59:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37EA3803.8DA1B9F5@datatone.com>, Alan Beagley
<abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com> writes:

>Many of the people on the Compuserve OS/2 forums (fora?) who received and
tried
>Nortaon AntiVirus for OS/2 don't like it, so I never bothered pushing
Symantec to
>send me one.

In hindsight, you shouldn't go by that.  The OS/2 community is
not prepared to accept Symantec and, where the IBM AV CD was 
soothing blue, the NAV CD is yellow-orange and red.

If you need an AV, try it and judge for yourself.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: bbarclay@ca.ibm.com                               23-Sep-99 16:43:29
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: Brad BARCLAY <bbarclay@ca.ibm.com>

"Roberto F. Salomon" wrote:
> 
> What I meant is, how did you concatenate the images?  I tried using copy
> file1.bmp + file2.bmp file3.bmp but it does not work.

	What you need to use is a graphics editor of some sort.  The OS/2 Icon
Editor can handle bitmaps with some very simple functionality, so that
might work.  ColourWorks in conjunction with PMView could probably be
used as well (CW v1+ has a problem in that no graphic dimension can be
less than 100 pixels, hich makes it by itself unsuited for making a
throbber, however you can use it to create one with a height of 100,
keeping the unused space a solid colour, then use PMView to crop the
image to size).

	But simply concatenating the images together isn't going to do anything
for you (as you've discovered :).

Brad BARCLAY

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v4.5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  bbarclay@ca.ibm.com		Location:  2G43D@Torolabs

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From: pit@iohk.SPAM-NOT.com                             24-Sep-99 04:30:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Installing NC/2 4.61GA while keeping the trusty old 2.02

From: pit@iohk.SPAM-NOT.com (taiQ)

Thanks to the improved OS/2-native DnD of Communicator I'm finally 
ready to give it a try but I'd rather preserve the ol' workhorse v2.02
setup that has served me so well over the years (I tend to drag .html 
files off the browser window and into my desktop folders and I 
understand that this still doesn't work under v4.61). Can I simply 
install the new 4.61 (and the plug-in pack 3.0) to a new directory or 
should I run through certain hoops to preserve the existing setup?

Does Java (1.18?) work reliably with Communicator? If so, what is the 
recommended order of installation? (I recall seeing informative 
postings explaining just that, but didn't save them and I'm running 
low on intuition wrt. Dejanews)


PS. I grabbed it from the IBM ftp site, just like everybody else.


Brgds,
-- 
 taiQ

		[this space is intentionally blank]

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      23-Sep-99 18:03:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <37EA3803.8DA1B9F5@datatone.com>, Alan Beagley
<abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com> writes:

>Many of the people on the Compuserve OS/2 forums (fora?) who received and
tried
>Nortaon AntiVirus for OS/2 don't like it, so I never bothered pushing
Symantec to
>send me one.

My objection to NAV/2 is that it is quite a bit slower than 
IBMAV/2 and sucks a whole lot more resources while it is running. 
When IBMAV/2 was running I hardly noticed any impact on 
performance but with NAV/2 running my system becomes dog-slow. 
But since I can schedule NAV/2 to run at 3AM it's a moot point. 
I'll keep using it despite the resource usage issues.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      23-Sep-99 18:08:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-dVzDGtdGpzYh@localhost>, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne
Sunley) writes:

>Due to popular demand, I am re-posting this post

Ahhh... I think I see why I never saw the original post on the 
ibm.net servers.  It looks as if Mike attached a couple encoded 
binaries to his message.  Ibm.net (and possibly other ISP's)
filter usenet content to reject articles containing binary
material when they are posted in a non-binary group (ie, one that
isn't specifically chartered for binary content).

Thanks for re-posting the relevant non-binary content...

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         23-Sep-99 21:22:17
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:07:48, Siobhan 
Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com> 
wrote:

> In article <z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-oDOgjIFNKd1r@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>,
>   racette@cablevision.qc.ca wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:45:21, Siobhan
> > Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Go with BackAgain/2, it support anything
> > that can be use through a SCSI bus, or
> > as a Hard-Drive, so in your case it's
> > access through the SCSI, so it will work
> > just fine.
> 
> Uhm, I don't think it's a scsi tape drive.  Does that make a difference?
> 
> --
> Siobhan Perricone
> PC Technician
> Alltel Information Services
> (I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

There are some ATAPI/IDE device that are
supported as well, but I don't know them

//-------------------------
Good Luck

Bonne Chance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 23-Sep-99 17:32:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: Installing NC/2 4.61GA while keeping the trusty old 2.02

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

pit@iohk.SPAM-NOT.com (taiQ) wrote:

>Thanks to the improved OS/2-native DnD of Communicator I'm finally 
>ready to give it a try but I'd rather preserve the ol' workhorse v2.02
>setup that has served me so well over the years (I tend to drag .html 
>files off the browser window and into my desktop folders and I 
>understand that this still doesn't work under v4.61). Can I simply 
>install the new 4.61 (and the plug-in pack 3.0) to a new directory or 
>should I run through certain hoops to preserve the existing setup?

No, you can drag into folders.  ALso you can still use 2.0,
unzip the download, read readme.icn.  

>Does Java (1.18?) work reliably with Communicator? If so, what is the 
>recommended order of installation? (I recall seeing informative 
>postings explaining just that, but didn't save them and I'm running 
>low on intuition wrt. Dejanews)

I'm not sure how much it matters, except that you need
Communicator to run the dreaded Feature Installer -- run a
search on that to see how people have contended with it. 
(It worked okay for me when I installed 1.1.7, once I
deleted some files that FI had bungled/installed)

>PS. I grabbed it from the IBM ftp site, just like everybody else.
>
>
>Brgds,
>-- 
> taiQ
>
>		[this space is intentionally blank]

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 23-Sep-99 15:51:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> wrote:

>OK, FYI, boulder put netscape on their fastest server and y'all crashed
>it!
>
>So they are moving to a server with many times more the capacity.
>
>That's really the answer.
>
>We underestimated demand.
>
>Mike Kaply

Mike, couple questions: I downloaded from the FTP site day
before yesterday, and now I realize I didn't d/l the version
with 128-bit encryption.  Should I uninstall the non-
encryption version before I install comm46xr.exe?  (I should
say, btw, the Netscape Communicator folder which the install
created on my desk was/is unpopulated -- I guess I can just
start install.exe and uninstall from there, at least I seem
to remember I can.)

Second, here's a popuplog.os2 from an exit this morning:

09-23-1999  11:10:06  SYS3175  PID 0043  TID 0001  Slot 008a
I:\NS461\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
c0000005
001833f7
P1=00000001  P2=00000090  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
EAX=0160b860  EBX=00000084  ECX=00000084  EDX=00000001
ESI=ffffffff  EDI=00000000
DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=1fffffff
ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=1fffffff
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=146b  GSACC=10f3  GSLIM=00003fff
CS:EIP=005b:001833f7  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
STEW:ESPECIALLY=0053:007c5e84  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=1fffffff
EBP=007c5f00  FLG=00012206

NETSCAPE.EXE 0001:001733f7

I'd been doing a good bit of browsing and dragging and
dropping -- can't remember what site I was on though.  

Can't really say how much I like this.  The dragging and
dropping to folders has made a good bit of my work VERY much
easier.  The whole thing performs altogether superbly, great
work.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: falbof@theref.aquascape.com                       23-Sep-99 20:48:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM OS/2 contact

From: F. Robert Falbo <falbof@theref.aquascape.com>

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) :

> Milind Rao (milindr@bellsouth.net) wrote: 
> : I'd sugest Timothy Sipples.  Although I disagree with him completely  
> : on HPFS386.  IBM should either ship it on the client or shut up. 
>   
> 	Pretty expensive from what I have read here...  With HPFS386, IBM  
> pays a royalty to Microsoft for like $500 per copy or some amount of that  
> kind.  So...a new OS/2 client going for at least $501, sorry but I won't  
> be buying.  ;-) 

My take on HPFS386 is that IBM has had 10 years to write-out
M$'s code in OS/2 and they've failed.  If my memory serves me,
OS/2 was supposed to be free of M$ code by v4.0.

I don't want to hear that IBM doesn't have anyone intelligent
enough to write a filesystem.  At the price M$ is charging IBM
to use HPFS386, its sheer stupidity not to find a way to replace
that code.
                    -bob-
-- 
__________________________________________
F.R.Falbo  | TheRef(tm) Website
BeOS & OS/2 | http://theref.aquascape.com

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From: rhinton@mediaone.net                              23-Sep-99 15:40:17
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Lotus Smart Suite 1.1  update

From: "Richard N. Hinton" <rhinton@mediaone.net>

I have Lotus .97 for OS2 Smart Suite. Aside from paying $172.00 to Lotus
for the
update, is there a cheaper place?

Richard N. Hinton
rhinton@mediaone.net

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Sep-99 21:36:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:50:34, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) a Úcrit dans 
un message:

snipt
> 
> We don't know what they committed to IBM for.  They did 
> commit to support OS/2.  And they obviously said they'd put 
> out an OS/2 version of NAV because they publicly committed to 
> one by December 1997.  And it issued, in early February 1998. 
> I got one, a 5 user LAN version, with a database update every
> month.

etc. snipt

My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our operations?


It ain't broke, as long as it can be updated, right? Why throw away 
something that ain't broke?

Or, can someone else take the Symantec update and convert it to IBMAV 
format? I'd pay a subscription fee upfront right now to a freebooter who 
took this on, but maybe Symantec could offer this as an alternative to 
switching to their NAV, which I personally didn't like when I tested it.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: helle05@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 14:40:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: 4.61 D/L came through as a DOS exe (!?)

From: "Thomas A. Heller" <helle05@ibm.net>

I used Warp's PMFTP to acquire the 4.61 Netscape GA
(my previous attempts to d/l with NS4.04 failed
after 20, then 40 minutes).

But the d/l file's object shows as a DOS object in
the directory container/folder and will not run
(self-extract).  What may have caused this?

I selected ASCII as the download mode, rather than
binary.  Any reason to suspect this is the reason?

Any help appreciated.

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From: davek@clark.net                                   23-Sep-99 22:11:29
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: davek@clark.net (David Kunz)

Siobhan Perricone (morgannalefey@my-deja.com) wrote:                  

: In article 
:<z3F1sghqDj8g-pn2-oDOgjIFNKd1r@cnq57-73.cablevision.qc.ca>,          

: Uhm, I don't think it's a scsi tape drive.  Does that make a 
: difference?                                                         

I'm pretty sure that I've been using that drive for a few years
(CTT8000A?).  Got it from APS along with BA/2 professional.  Works
great (and even works under linux :)).  They sold an atapi and a scsi
version.  I (foolishly) got the atapi, then switch to an *almost* all
scsi system -- you can guess the remaining ide device...

--
David Kunz
Operator error.  Replace operator and strike any key to continue...

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From: nospam@nospam.noway.com                           23-Sep-99 19:10:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: "Roberto F. Salomon" <nospam@nospam.noway.com>

Any way to make the animation faster?


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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             23-Sep-99 21:24:17
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: jsjones@selectric.net

1) Mike, please make sure a report of this event reaches loug@ibm.com!!

2) I am having a terrible time with the GA. I can't print, messages can't be
saved to 
any designated sent mail folder, deleting or even renaming a mail folder
causes NS 
to crash with 3175. So, I'm going to archive my current directories in a zip
and 
reinstall with no 4.04 to confuse matters. But, I don't want to lose several
hundred 
emails and a few other saved things. Can you tell me what to save and how to 
restore said items, afterward.

3) Should I file a problem report on all this?

In <37EA4242.7A8EB18F@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>, Michael Kaply
<mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> writes:
>OK, FYI, boulder put netscape on their fastest server and y'all crashed
>it!
>
>So they are moving to a server with many times more the capacity.
>
>That's really the answer.
>
>We underestimated demand.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 18:24:14
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <3wjG3.11$ffd.170533888@news.frii.net>, on 09/23/99 
   at 06:11 AM, thoman@verinet.com said:

>In <37dc0650$1$efzvgf$mr2ice@news.islandnet.com>,
>rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca writes: >
>>I haven't been able to see the beginning of this thread, so maybe I've
>>missed something. Symantec has just announced it's going to include an
>>OS/2 client version in it's next release of the Norton  AntiVirus program.
>>(I saw it in Focus on OS/2 ezine). Why is everybody pissed off at
>>Symantec? This sounds like a positive development.

>        I wonder if you were looking at outdated information.  I
>tiptoed through Focus on OS/2 (http://os2.miningco.com) (doesn't look
>like an  e-zine to me...) and ended up at
>   http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2222963,00.html
>which is from March of 1999.  Way back then, Esther Schindler reported
>that Tim Ristine of Symantec said there would be an "end-user" version
>of Norton Antivirus for OS/2 at an unspecified date.

>        Earlier this week, I decided to try upgrading and so called
>Symantec.  The rep I spoke with courteously took my info and asked that
>I FAX proof of ownership of my 3 copies of IBM AntiVirus.  I FAXed, and
>I received... three copies of Norton AntiVirus having nothing to do
>with OS/2.
>        So, I called again, described my woeful situation to another
>rep, and was told that no sign of a single-user Norton AntiVirus for
>OS/2 could be found among Symantec's offerings.  I described the debate
>in this newsgroup among the "I got it with no trouble" and "Umpteen
>calls to Symantec yielded nothing" camps.  At this, the rep put me on
>hold to go inquire further.  She returned to the line and reported
>being told that Symantec had been issuing single-user upgrades for a
>while but quit due to low volume.  Thus, no go.  She said she would
>refund my money for the botched order (thanks) and asked whether I
>would be interested in a 10-user corporate license (no, thanks).

>        In other news, here are a few info tidbits (true when I checked
>'em on 1999 Sept 22).
>   http://www.indelible-blue.com/datasheet/IBMantivirus
>      Claims OS/2 support is expected in the NAV retail box
>         by August 1999.  That claim has been there for a while...
>   http://www.symantec.com/corporate/ibm/offer.html
>      Closes with:  "For inquiries regarding switching from
>         single-unit copies of IBM AntiVirus to Norton
>         AntiVirus, please call 1(800) 441-7234."
>      Notice it doesn't claim they'll actually do anything for you,
>         it just invites you to ask.  So, if you haven't asked yet,
>         _do_.


I'm looking at a CD labeled "Norton Anti-Virus Solution", Release 3.04,
April 1999, which contains desktop, server and gateway slolutions and
adminstration for Dos, Win blah bla bla, Mac and OS/2, (5.02). I got it
by faxing a copy of the electronic certificate authentication on the
IBMAV I had paid all of $13 for. 

Have a look at the retail CD, and see if you can't use a rebate to get a
freebie. -- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             23-Sep-99 22:45:13
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: driver needed - HP35480A DAT

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:02:28, djm16@le.ac.uk (Dr D.J. Maconochie) wrote:

> I have ordered BackAgain from BMT micro for <$100 actually $92. Their
no-tape
> version is even less.
> 
> How much is it worht to you to be able to do a full restore after just
booting
> from floppies? Certainly worth $92 bucks to me.

Gee I can do that with my extra removable ATA-66 drive and drive image
for total $210, hardware and software.  And I bet it's a whole lot
faster :-)

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Sep-99 21:43:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:22:08, hunters@thunder.indstate.edu a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> In article <37E87F2E.2A508F94@WarpCity.com>,
>   Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > All staff members have installed and use OS/2 as their operating
> > system. Windows (including WinOS2) is banned by company policy.
> > None of us has WinOS2 or DOS installed on our systems.
> 
> Mein FÄhrer, klingt wie eine gute Politik zum Zerst¹ren der schlechten
> freien denker. Alle hageln den FÄhrer!
> 

Using my favorite new web toy, AltaVista's Babelfish translation site, 
cutting and pasting that turns it into this English:

"My leader, sounds like a good policy for destroying the bad free 
philosophers. All hail the leader!"

Not bad at all, to my eye. Lots easier than straining the brain to get even
halfway close:

	http://babelfish.altavista.com



Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 18:17:01
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM OS/2 contact

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <PmwG3.978$56.30334@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, on 09/23/99 
   at 08:48 PM, F. Robert Falbo <falbof@theref.aquascape.com> said:

>jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) :

>> Milind Rao (milindr@bellsouth.net) wrote: 
>> : I'd sugest Timothy Sipples.  Although I disagree with him completely  
>> : on HPFS386.  IBM should either ship it on the client or shut up. 
>>   
>> 	Pretty expensive from what I have read here...  With HPFS386, IBM  
>> pays a royalty to Microsoft for like $500 per copy or some amount of that  
>> kind.  So...a new OS/2 client going for at least $501, sorry but I won't  
>> be buying.  ;-) 

>My take on HPFS386 is that IBM has had 10 years to write-out M$'s code
>in OS/2 and they've failed.  If my memory serves me, OS/2 was supposed
>to be free of M$ code by v4.0.

>I don't want to hear that IBM doesn't have anyone intelligent enough to
>write a filesystem.  At the price M$ is charging IBM to use HPFS386,
>its sheer stupidity not to find a way to replace that code.
>                    -bob-

A year ago there was a week long exchange on hpfs, including at least
one IBM programmer/engineer who had worked on an upgrade taken to the
point of testing. (He went by a handle like "rapier" or "razor's edge")
And FWIW, the HPFS you would like to use may not even be all 32 bit, if
MSMC. I am sure I recall that the amount of reliability testing required
of a core component of an OS is not trivial, and with a cutback in
aspirations for the desktop, that extensive testing was not done, and
will never be done now.

In any event don't you suppose the Journal Filing System is a product of
the best current thinking in file systems? Do you doubt that a little
digging and a lot of erudition with technical publications on the new
JFS would be worthwhile?

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Sep-99 21:53:22
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:23:07, lifedata@xxvol.com a Úcrit dans un message:

> raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum) said:
> 
> > Failing that, in any case, I
> >believe you'll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor
> >by simply ignoring him, or killfiling him.
> 
> Amen - Hallelujah!!
> 

However, what do we do about the folks who continue to quote him?

Think about trying one of these possible courses of action:

1. Follow-up all such to comp.os.os2.advocacy, since I don't subscribe. 
This is the best way for all of us, since TM appears to read that one 
first, and I never do.

2. Place a little [OT] at the beginning of the subject line in your 
followup, indicating "Off Topic". I can filter on that [OT], you see, and 
never see it.

3. Place a little [TM] at the beginning of the subject line in your 
followup, indicating that it's an ad hominem article I personally don't get
anything out of reading. I can filter on that [TM], and never see it.


(All of these suggestions are to benefit me, Al Franken.)


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           23-Sep-99 16:56:05
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

We know about the deleting, renaming folder problem. It snuck in at the last
minute.

You should be able to use all your mail with 4.04 if you want to. Just back it 
up and put it
in your 4.04 mail directory.

I would need more info on the printing problem.

Mike Kaply
IBM

jsjones@selectric.net wrote:

>2) I am having a terrible time with the GA. I can't print, messages can't be
saved to
>any designated sent mail folder, deleting or even renaming a mail folder
causes NS
>to crash with 3175. So, I'm going to archive my current directories in a zip
and
>reinstall with no 4.04 to confuse matters. But, I don't want to lose several
hundred
>emails and a few other saved things. Can you tell me what to save and how to
>restore said items, afterward.
>

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From: bill.m@no.spam.net                                23-Sep-99 23:42:19
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: bill.m@no.spam.net

In <37EA4242.7A8EB18F@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>, on 09/23/99 
   at 11:07 AM, Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>
said:

>That's really the answer.

>We underestimated demand.

That's what you get when you have a popular product. Thanks
for the comeback!

Have a good one!

wmmorrow (at) flash (dot) net 
 All opinion expressed are my own - no one else believes
them.


Bill M.

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             24-Sep-99 00:34:12
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: jsjones@selectric.net

I'm glad I waited before taking drastic action. I *can* send and receive 
mail from 4.61, however, the mail isn't saved. The work around is the click
through
the several dialogs and close the message, which claims to have not been sent, 
as 
it hasn't been saved. The message is then saved to Drafts and can be moved to 
Sent from there. Tortured, but the 4.04 alternative is no longer available.
Since 
installing the 4.61GA, 4.04 refuses to start, claiming a variety of things
can't be 
found.

I have been unable to print since the second beta, with any printer driver I
have 
installed. No other application has this problem, though 4.04 developed it as
well 
at some point (perhaps after applying an update a few months back?). In that 
case, I destroyed the printer objects and recreated them, as certain other
apps 
were having problems after they developed with 4.04. Everything else was then 
able to print, except 4.04. I *believe* I could print with the first beta, but 
I wouldn't 
risk indictment by Ken Starr over the story. I usually print only things I
want to 
keep from web pages, such as transaction receipts. Currently, I have to save
the 
html to a file and open it in 2.02 or WebEx to print a copy -- sans graphics,
of 
course.

The usual printer drivers I use are the PS and HP laserjet, with the target
being 
the same HP IIp (with and w/o PS cart), but I've tried others, saving to file, 
etc.

NOTE: I supposedly have a problem report in via Washington Mutual Bank. With 
4.61, their PC Banking pages frequently are agonizingly slow to load,
requiring a 
re-login by the time the response is received. 4.04 was much faster, but that
is 
no longer an option. The problem persists in the GA. Did the report ever make
it 
to the dev team?

Thanks for the reply.

 -jsj

<37EA93EA.BC318377@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>, Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>
writes:
>We know about the deleting, renaming folder problem. It snuck in at the last
minute.
>
>You should be able to use all your mail with 4.04 if you want to. Just back
it up and put it
>in your 4.04 mail directory.
>
>I would need more info on the printing problem.

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: psf@idirect.com                                   24-Sep-99 00:50:20
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: HPFS386, The Reality...

From: psf@idirect.com (Paul Fedorenko)

: Installing HPFS386 into a Warp v4 client makes your system FASTER!.  If
: you think, this hurts IBM, think again.  The reason IBM does'nt include
: HPFS386 into Warp v4 is because MS charges HUGE royalties for EACH copy
: of HPFS386!.  Therefore, IBM only includes it with Warp Server.

Ok...  Can someone please, please clarify this for me?  How the heck would
simply copying HPFS386 to your hard drive do anything for you, unless you
went and refornatted the drive to use the new file system?  It just sounds
like a rather silly proposition to me.  

So if someone could explain it...

: NOTE: HPFS386 makes sense for a stand-alone OS/2 system!, that's because
: Partition
: Magic is not compatible with it....

Now...  This one really amuses me.  If partition magic doesn't recognise
it, and you decide that you want to resize your partition...  Doesn't
installing HPFS386 pretty much limit your ability to do this?  Why, unless
you needed the increased performance, would you cripple your system like
this?

Paul
                                           "Andrea Del Sarto"
                                                        1895
 ----------------------------------------------------------------
 : Stop on by the Internet TeleCafe! telnet://telecafe.com:9000 :
 ----------------------------------------------------------------

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               24-Sep-99 01:53:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

David T. Anderson schrieb:
> > OK, I mentioned it on the chat, here are the details for making your own
> > throbber.
> 
> Oh man -- this is SO cool....[grin].

Yeah! I'd like to encourage everyone who has made a "cool" throbber to
upload it to Hobbes. There are some Web Explorer animations so why not?

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               24-Sep-99 00:59:18
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Java through proxy

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Hi,

	I'm trying to access the Yahoo games through the "Internet Gate" 
proxy server but the applet can't connect to the Yahoo server.  Anyone
got this "problem" solved?  TIA.

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: oad@it.hkbank.com                                 24-Sep-99 09:57:01
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Problems on WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows filename automatically rename o

From: "oad" <oad@it.hkbank.com>

Our workstations used OS/2 platform. Using WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows
installed on Novell server. The WordPerfect file automatically rename to
@xxxxxxx.wpd periodically.


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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  23-Sep-99 22:02:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal tape drive

From: mchasson@ibm.net

In <7sd5p6$1ki$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 09/23/99 at 12:17 PM,
   Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com> said:

>In article <37E96938.7F23FD7@rz.fh-augsburg.de>,
>  Jens Schiffler <jensja@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

>> Siobhan Perricone wrote:
>> >
>> > I have an OS/2 Warp 4, FP 10 (PII) system that I'm setting up with
>> > Print Services Facility/2 (and nothing else).  It has two SCSI hard
>> > drives, a CD, a floppy drive, and a HP Colorado 8GB Travan internal
>> > tape drive.
>>
>> If the tape drive is a scsi device

>I can see how my statement above was misleading.  Sorry for that.  I
>don't believe the drive is scsi at all.  It's not hooked into my scsi
>adapter.  I only have two network cards and two hard drives hooked into
>the scsi adapter.  I don't think the tape drive is.  I suppose I need to
>double check that.

>--
>Siobhan Perricone

Irish and Italian eh???

Well look, go to Indelible Blue and get the demos for a couple of the
listed programs.  I am using Novaback which seems to support everything on
all op sys and it is only $50.  I dont think much of Backmaster, and BA2
is only SCSI.  Anyway it will only take an hour or so to try out what is
available in demo form. -- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     23-Sep-99 19:48:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: FP 11 = Break Pack 11 for notebook

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

All,

I'm here to report the following situations with FP 11 (a.k.a. Break Pack
11).

Several weekends ago I RSU updated my workstation at home.  Placing it at
risk is no big deal since I'm only there on weekends now and don't use it
for real work currently.  Surprisingly I put on FP 11, the next Netscape,
and Java 1.1.8 without things erupting in flames.  (Somewhere in the
middle of that I should have bought a lotto ticket.)

Bouyed by that round of success, I later tried to apply FP 11 to my
ProStar notebook which is my workhorse.  Suffice it to say after many
attempts (and many backouts) I have given up on things ever working right
on it.

If you have a notebook with an ESS chipset which uses the ES1879DD.SYS
device driver DON'T EVEN REMOTELY CONSIDER APPLYING FP11.  There is no
update available for this sound card chipset.  The 1997 driver date is as
new as it is ever going to get.  ESS is focusing on the greener dollars of
newer chipsets and has pretty much written this one off (eventhough my
notebook is only about a year old).

Personally I've given up on filing bug reports with IBM.  They either
ignore them, or deny they are bugs (Like the inability to boot from LS-120
in ANY notebook, yet they claim it works.)  For those who care to be bored
this is what will greet you after applying BreakPack 11.

ES18791$

TRAP 000D  ERRCD=0084   ERAC = *
EAX = FDE80084  EBX=FFFF0000 ECX=00004E88  EDX=0

ESI=9BBA001E   ES=2948
EDI=00000291    ESACC=0093
EBP=00004EAA  ESLIM=00002C02
FLG=00013246    CR2 = FDCE1053
CS:EIP=2950:00004332   FS=0
CSACC=009B      FSACC=*
CSLIM=00006B26  FSLIM=*
SS:ESP=0030:00004EA6   GS=0
SSACC=1097       GSACL=*
SSLIM=00003FFF  GSIM=*
DS=2948
DSACC=0093
DSLIM=00002C02
CR0=8001001B

location ##0168:fff492de - 000e:c2de

60000,  9084

05860581

internal rev 9.035, 99/04/01



The work around is to boot from floppy (because they haven't fixed the
LS-120 booting) and rename ES1879DD.SYS to be something else so it isn't
found on startup.  You will never have sound again on that machine because
IBM announced in the readme they aren't working on any drivers for ESS 
(like they even test this stuff before it gets released anymore???)



Another thing that is busted BAD is printing.  In particular trying to
print from Lotus WordPro to my Epson Stylus 850.  One of 2 things will
happen every time you try to print.  Wordpro will vaporize or the entire
machine will lock up  (sometimes both happens).  This combination worked
fine under FP8 (the last fp that could be called an FP).  The only work
around I have found is to change the PRINT01 line in config sys to have
/IRQ on it.  My once fast, sleek, stylus no prints a 20 page document in
40+ minutes when it used to take 5.

Thanks for the Fixpack IBM!!!!!!


Roland
-- 
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                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
                            For a Microsoft free univers
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Sep-99 01:11:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: HPFS386, The Reality...

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:50:40, psf@idirect.com (Paul Fedorenko) a Úcrit dans
un message:

> : Installing HPFS386 into a Warp v4 client makes your system FASTER!.  If
> : you think, this hurts IBM, think again.  The reason IBM does'nt include
> : HPFS386 into Warp v4 is because MS charges HUGE royalties for EACH copy
> : of HPFS386!.  Therefore, IBM only includes it with Warp Server.
> 
> Ok...  Can someone please, please clarify this for me?  How the heck would
> simply copying HPFS386 to your hard drive do anything for you, unless you
> went and refornatted the drive to use the new file system?  It just sounds
> like a rather silly proposition to me.  
> 
> So if someone could explain it...

HPFS and HPFS386 use the same file system if you don't have ACS enabled. 
HPFS386 drivers can see HPFS partitions perfectly. HPFS drivers can see the
files on HPFS386 partitions, but if you had used any of the higher HPFS386 
functions on that drive, you'd wipe them out (I think.)


> 
> : NOTE: HPFS386 makes sense for a stand-alone OS/2 system!, that's because
> : Partition
> : Magic is not compatible with it....
> 
> Now...  This one really amuses me.  If partition magic doesn't recognise
> it, and you decide that you want to resize your partition...  Doesn't
> installing HPFS386 pretty much limit your ability to do this?  Why, unless
> you needed the increased performance, would you cripple your system like
> this?

No, as above, PQMagic deals with the partitions identically, as straight 
HPFS. HPFS386 comes with utilities that let you convert the ACS info to 
save it, then reattach it, if you have to do maintenance work, but of 
course if you haven't used any of the higher stuff, PQMagic does its job 
perfectly without harm.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: oad@it.hkbank.com                                 24-Sep-99 10:13:15
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Problem on WordPerfect file automatically rename

From: "oad" <oad@it.hkbank.com>

Our workstations used OS/2 platform. Using WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows
installed on Novell server. The WordPerfect file automatically rename to
@xxxxxxx.wpd periodically.



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From: thoman@verinet.com                                24-Sep-99 02:20:01
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zyIkwsfcyWUY@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>
>My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
>simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
>continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our operations?

        All things come to an end, especially those that don't generate
revenue and do inflict cost.  The costs in this type of case could grow,
as further development of NAV could require continual adjustments in
methods of translating from stuff for NAV to stuff for IBM AV, even as 
knowledge of IBM AV at Symantec wanes due to disuse.  
        In addition, the degree of protection afforded by an antivirus 
program slowly degrades in a "signature updates only" situation, since 
means of detecting previously unknown threats don't get upgraded and 
repair capability for whatever's come along recently doesn't get added.  
Not a disastrous situation, but not something a vendor is going to be 
eager to perpetuate.

        On the (temporarily) good side, Symantec continues to provide
IBM AV signature updates at
   http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ibm/index.html
for those who'd like 'em (me, for instance).  Tip:  in WebExplorer, 
the link to download the update doesn't look like anything other 
than just more text, but there really is a link.  Put your mouse
cursor over the second mention of the current version number and 
the status line should show that you can get a *.zip file by 
clicking.  
        If you follow the "Please Read:..." link near the top of the 
page and then search for "OS/2" you'll find mention that this will 
continue through December of 1999.  So... unless that deadline gets
extended there's not an excessive amount of time left for things
to get sorted out.


-----
Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                23-Sep-99 22:29:15
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

mchasson@ibm.net said:

>Perhaps its time to post a picture for those of your following who have been
>shooting at you these past months.

LOL.  They can be shooting at the picture instead? <G>

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: psf@idirect.com                                   24-Sep-99 02:31:10
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: PalmPilot and StarOffice

From: psf@idirect.com (Paul Fedorenko)

Brian Goodyear (bgoody@ibm.net) wrote:
: Did anyone figure out how to syncronize the PalmPilot Addressbook=20
: categories with the StarOffice addressbook?  There doesn't seem to be=20=


How did you get your Palm connected and syncronized with OS/2?
ok.
: Thanks,
: Brian




--

Paul Fedorenko					    psf@idirect.com
Internet Direct Tech Support

"ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp or what is a heaven for"

			                             -- Robert Browning,
                                                        "Andrea Del Sarto"
                                                        1895
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 : Internet Direct (416)233-2999  1000 lines SLIP, 9600 - 33,600 bps :
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From: thoman@verinet.com                                24-Sep-99 01:48:00
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <c1.2b8.2SHrSp$0Hd@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>
>So they scrambled to find out.  They sent every registered 
>user a couple of letters to ask. They didn't look too good 
>during that process. When they found out, though, they 
>continued that level of service in spades.  And in hindsight, 
>the very first thing they did upon acquiring the product was 
>give every IBM AV user on their list a goodwill valuable copy 
>of stock NAV, to say hello.  This was (a)very nice and (b)ill 
>received because the appalled recipients were pure OS/2 users 
>and the darn thing had everything but any OS/2 on it.

        There's something amiss here.  I was a registered user
of IBM AV prior to the sale.  I know IBM had my address because
they mailed me the next version of IBM AV (3.0.1) in return for
registering.  While I may have received a letter announcing 
the changeover (though I can't find one and generally keep 
such things...) I definitely never received any goodwill copy 
of NAV (or anything else).
        Anybody else out there who can corroborate this?

>I got one, a 5 user LAN version, with a database update every
>month.  The product is a CD with versions of NAV for every OS,
>dozens of them listed in fine print inside, including OS/2.

        You are, perhaps to your surprise, restating part of 
the problem:  yes, Symantec has NAV for OS/2 readily available
for corporate users (present minimum offer is 10 licenses...
hundreds of dollars).  However, they have specifically stated
to me that there is NOTHING available in the way of a single-user
license.  Despite long-ago indications that OS/2 would simply
be added to the OS's supported in the retail package, that
has not happened.  NAV 2000 (6.0) is on store shelves, with
nary a hint of OS/2 mentioned anywhere on the box.  Symantec
has apparently abandoned any intent to support single-license
requests for NAV for OS/2.  Anyone who would care to disprove
that conclusion will garner praise and gratitude for doing
so.

>I say
>latch on to the information that Symantec will issue a single
>user version, be patient and follow through cheerfully.

        What information?  I have asked for any _recent_ 
statement of such intent and seen none.  The one claim
of that nature earlier in this thread omitted any specific
source citation, so I tried to track it down as best I
could and found an article from March of 1999 that seems
to no longer hold water.
        If you know of any confirmation that a single-user
version has not been abandoned, please (please!) post a
citation so that I and others can go look.


-----
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              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   24-Sep-99 01:43:16
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zyIkwsfcyWUY@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:50:34, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) a Úcrit dans 
>un message:

>My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
>simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
>continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our operations?

I'm sure that Symantec can't do that because they cannot touch
the IBM trademark in any way, shape, form or reference and 
that would be doing so.  Or something like that.

Why don't you suggest it to them?  I wrote them a letter and 
they responded nicely.

>Or, can someone else take the Symantec update and convert it to IBMAV 
>format? I'd pay a subscription fee upfront right now to a freebooter who 
>took this on, but maybe Symantec could offer this as an alternative to 
>switching to their NAV, which I personally didn't like when I tested it.

That's a real good idea, all except for the 'freebooter' 
expecting me to trust his antivirus files...

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 21:56:10
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: OS2 PDF Software

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-VcKEFpdl0qhM@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>, on
09/23/99 
   at 12:00 PM, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) said:

>On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:14:41, gjohn@csom.umn.edu a ‚crit dans un
>message:

>> I tried your suggestion many times, and the problem is that the list of
printers does not 
>> contain the names of Postscript printers.  Instead, there is a little
button to check 
>> called "Print to Postscript Printer".  If I do that, and then select the
resolution and
>> printer queue, and hit OK, I get an error message saying "cannot print PDF
to 
>> Postscript printer  Use FIle|extract"
>> 
>> Well, it turns out that you can "print" a PDF file to the pswrite device,
and then
>>  print the resulting ps file.  The problem with this is that the PDF file
looks absolutely 
>> wretched after the translation from PDF to ps using the pswrite device.
>> 
>> It seems ironic that Ghostview can view and print ps files so well, and
view pdf files, 
>> but not print them to a postscript printer. Incidentally, it will print ps
and pdf files well 
>> to a non-Postscript printer.
>> 
>> My understanding of the problem is that when you select a postscript
printer
>> and print to that device, ghostscript essentially just hands off the file,
and 
>> sicne the postscript printer cannot handel pdf files directly, the problem
I encountered
>> is the result.


>I understand the complexity of what you're saying. I'm trying to
>overcome a new printer problem here and can't test any of that, but I
>do remember  getting things working smoothly enough in GSView with my
>PCL5/PS laser  printer last year.

>I just did a quick check and for some reason my new (PS) printer isn't 
>showing up on the list of PS printers, so I clearly have a lot of work
>to  do.

And we should all hope that Brother Donnelly gets this work done
quickly, demonstrating 1)his facility, 2) the triviality of the problem,
3)that a printer touted for its OS/2-friendly genes has bred true, 4)
that Cuz T. Sipples is a reliable tout, and 4) that Brother Donnelly has
plenty of time to write about the joys of using a bargain-priced
PS-endowed inkjet printer.

-- 
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htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
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From: whonea@codenet.net                                23-Sep-99 21:10:15
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: 4.61 D/L came through as a DOS exe (!?)

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:07, "Thomas A. Heller" <helle05@ibm.net> 
wrote:

> I selected ASCII as the download mode, rather than
> binary.  Any reason to suspect this is the reason?
> 
 Since a .exe file IS binary, you can bet on it!  Best practice is to 
ALWAYS use binary transfer - cr/lf translation can be done anytime.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: jkross@TIRED_OF_SPAM@oxford.net                   24-Sep-99 02:13:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: PM View 2.0 ?

From: jkross@TIRED_OF_SPAM@oxford.net (John Ross)

In message <noynvevozarg.fiicce0.pminews@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> - "Alex
Blair" <ablair@ibm.net.spam.me.not> writes:
:>
:>I am a registered user of PM View. Where can I download the latest BETA ?

You join the beta tester's mailing list and you will be informed when the next
beta is released.

www.pmview.com and go to mailing lists.




-john ross

http://www.oxford.net/~jkross

Remove "@I_hate_spam" from address to reply.... 

              
--
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea --
massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a
source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect
it."--spaf@cs.purdue.edu (1992)

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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  23-Sep-99 22:10:19
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: mchasson@ibm.net

In <37E94109.735D4EB7@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>, on 09/22/99 at 03:50 PM,
   "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> said:


>
>I'm Jeff, not Mike.  I noticed you made that same mistake in
>comp.os.os2.beta recently, but figured you just weren't paying attention. 
>Now I'm starting to think you don't realize I exist, and that I'm just
>one of Mike's puppets.  Not true.  I'm much more of an automaton than a
>puppet.

>Jeffrey S. Kobal
>IBM Corporation
>Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team

Well Jeff, to quote the late C. Stengel, "most people my age are dead". 
However I continue to labor in the vineyard and consider myself lucky to
remember my own name, let alone yours. Nothing personal, just life. 
Actually I think you guys have already taken on "virtual"  lives in the
ng.  Perhaps its time to post a picture for those of your following who
have been shooting at you these past months.  Or if you prefer you can
give up on automatons and read Pirandello.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51 

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From: thoman@verinet.com                                24-Sep-99 02:25:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <37eaa89d$2$ugenivf$mr2ice@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, htravis@ibm.net (Harry
Travis) writes:
>
>I'm looking at a CD labeled "Norton Anti-Virus Solution", Release 3.04,
>April 1999, which contains desktop, server and gateway slolutions and
>adminstration for Dos, Win blah bla bla, Mac and OS/2, (5.02). I got it
>by faxing a copy of the electronic certificate authentication on the
>IBMAV I had paid all of $13 for. 
>
>Have a look at the retail CD, and see if you can't use a rebate to get a
>freebie. -- 

        The Norton AntiVirus Solutions CD is the corporate
license product that Symantec will happily sell me a 10-license 
pack of for hundreds of dollars.  I've seen claims that's what 
they were sending out for single-user upgrades earlier.
        As I described, I've spoken with them this week
and they've specifically stated that they no longer have 
anything to offer in the way of a single-user purchase. 
Evidence to the contrary invited and welcome.

-----
Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: judithr@primenet.com                              24-Sep-99 03:42:12
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Netscape won't do news

From: Judith Russell <judithr@primenet.com>

I am trying to use Netscape to read newsgroups.  After subscribing to
various groups and checking posts, marking the group as read (or not) then
closing Netscape (4.61GA), the groups disappear.  When re-opening, there
are none.  It's not the server, tried the same in NT and they stick. 
Has anyone else had this problem?  
Any suggestions? I'm not interested in booting NT to read the news.  Tin
on the shell account is better than that. But, news would be nice in
Netscape. 


-- 

Judith Russell

judithr@primenet.com                
http://www.primenet.com/~judithr/  

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From: judithr@primenet.com                              24-Sep-99 03:50:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: AIM JAVA - download

From: Judith Russell <judithr@primenet.com>

AIM java is available from the AOL site.  Look for their Quick Buddy at
http://www.aol.com/aim/quickbuddy/about.html

It works okay, though I cannot compare it to a Windows version as I have
never used that. 


-- 

Judith Russell

judithr@primenet.com                
http://www.primenet.com/~judithr/  

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From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca                           23-Sep-99 21:19:14
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca

In <3wjG3.11$ffd.170533888@news.frii.net>, on 09/23/99 
   at 06:11 AM, thoman@verinet.com said:

>In <37dc0650$1$efzvgf$mr2ice@news.islandnet.com>, rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca
>writes: >
>>I haven't been able to see the beginning of this thread, so maybe I've
>>missed something. Symantec has just announced it's going to include an
>>OS/2 client version in it's next release of the Norton  AntiVirus program.
>>(I saw it in Focus on OS/2 ezine). Why is everybody pissed off at
>>Symantec? This sounds like a positive development.

>        I wonder if you were looking at outdated information.  I tiptoed
>through Focus on OS/2 (http://os2.miningco.com) (doesn't look like an 
>e-zine to me...) and ended up at
>   http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2222963,00.html which
>is from March of 1999.  Way back then, Esther Schindler reported that Tim
>Ristine of Symantec said there would be an "end-user" version of Norton
>Antivirus for OS/2 at an unspecified date.

I think you are right. I went back and checked and that date was on the
story. I guess I didn't notice the date, and just remembered the article
since i was glad to see it. Sorry if I threw anyone off track.

Bob.

>-----
>Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
>              solely irresponsible for them.

-- 
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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   24-Sep-99 04:08:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:17
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <c1.2b8.2SHrSp$0Hd@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>In <3wjG3.11$ffd.170533888@news.frii.net>, thoman@verinet.com writes:
>>In <37dc0650$1$efzvgf$mr2ice@news.islandnet.com>, rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca
writes:

>  They did 
>commit to support OS/2.  And they obviously said they'd put 
>out an OS/2 version of NAV because they publicly committed to 
>one by December 1997.  And it issued, in early February 1998. 
>I got one, a 5 user LAN version, with a database update every
>month.  

As others have pointed out, this should be 1998 and 1999. 
Time flies.  Or drags.  Whichever.   :-)


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada




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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   24-Sep-99 00:27:01
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <lLAG3.31$ffd.170534400@news.frii.net>, on 09/24/99 
   at 01:48 AM, thoman@verinet.com said:

>In <c1.2b8.2SHrSp$0Hd@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe
>Kovacs) writes: >
>>So they scrambled to find out.  They sent every registered 
>>user a couple of letters to ask. They didn't look too good 
>>during that process. When they found out, though, they 
>>continued that level of service in spades.  And in hindsight, 
>>the very first thing they did upon acquiring the product was 
>>give every IBM AV user on their list a goodwill valuable copy 
>>of stock NAV, to say hello.  This was (a)very nice and (b)ill 
>>received because the appalled recipients were pure OS/2 users 
>>and the darn thing had everything but any OS/2 on it.

>        There's something amiss here.  I was a registered user of IBM
>AV prior to the sale.  I know IBM had my address because they mailed me
>the next version of IBM AV (3.0.1) in return for registering.  While I
>may have received a letter announcing  the changeover (though I can't
>find one and generally keep  such things...) I definitely never
>received any goodwill copy  of NAV (or anything else).
>        Anybody else out there who can corroborate this?

>>I got one, a 5 user LAN version, with a database update every
>>month.  The product is a CD with versions of NAV for every OS,
>>dozens of them listed in fine print inside, including OS/2.

>        You are, perhaps to your surprise, restating part of  the
>problem:  yes, Symantec has NAV for OS/2 readily available for
>corporate users (present minimum offer is 10 licenses... hundreds of
>dollars).  However, they have specifically stated to me that there is
>NOTHING available in the way of a single-user license.  Despite
>long-ago indications that OS/2 would simply be added to the OS's
>supported in the retail package, that has not happened.  NAV 2000 (6.0)
>is on store shelves, with nary a hint of OS/2 mentioned anywhere on the
>box.  Symantec has apparently abandoned any intent to support
>single-license requests for NAV for OS/2.  Anyone who would care to
>disprove that conclusion will garner praise and gratitude for doing so.

>>I say
>>latch on to the information that Symantec will issue a single
>>user version, be patient and follow through cheerfully.

>        What information?  I have asked for any _recent_ 
>statement of such intent and seen none.  The one claim
>of that nature earlier in this thread omitted any specific source
>citation, so I tried to track it down as best I could and found an
>article from March of 1999 that seems to no longer hold water.
>        If you know of any confirmation that a single-user version has
>not been abandoned, please (please!) post a
>citation so that I and others can go look.

To quote the old outlaw and sole survivor from the support group in
Pechinpa's masterpiece "They, they, who the hell is they?"

I'm not a corporate user, and somebody at Symantec --it was "Troy", not
to be confused with T-Roy from "Toyland", the excellent OS/2 shareware
game-- served me, without charge.

 Is there a version 6 for OS/2.? Do I care any more than I do that I'm
too old and in the wrong place to suckle from a new breed of mothers
with 3 breasts? No, 2 was more than enough. And now I use OS/2, which is
pretty disease free, and my AV protection don't need more stinkin'
"features." And I can live without envy that Symantec, wetnurse and
asswiper to Wintel for the last decade,loves Winny. Fact is, Winny needs
more love, attention, innoculation, protection.

Check reality in OS/2 land, where upgrades are appreciated in the second
place to the right of the decimal. If you can't keep a virus from
getting it on with your computer, might it be better to turn it off? (Or
switch to  BE, where virus writers must have the minds and temperments
of snipers, not mass-murderers). 

-- 
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htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 24-Sep-99 05:29:22
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <ndBG3.32$ffd.170534400@news.frii.net>, thoman@verinet.com writes:
>In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zyIkwsfcyWUY@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>>
>>My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
>>simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
>>continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our operations?
>
>        All things come to an end, especially those that don't generate
>revenue and do inflict cost.  The costs in this type of case could grow,
>as further development of NAV could require continual adjustments in
>methods of translating from stuff for NAV to stuff for IBM AV, even as 
>knowledge of IBM AV at Symantec wanes due to disuse.  

okay, dumb question : if Symantec didn't want to continue the IBM
product, why did they buy it ? Up until that time, all the reports of
IBM's anti-virus technology were enthusiastic and glowing - - then
Symantec buys it, only to fade it away and substitute NAV ?  at this
point, my small mind can only contemplate Kim's saying - 'two faces
and three daggers.' I suppose some unforseen technicality arose *after* 
the purchase which keeps Symantec from honouring its commitments ? 


>-----
>Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
>              solely irresponsible for them.
>


--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd

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From: tzs@halcyon.com                                   24-Sep-99 06:21:11
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: Judgement day - time to reach for your wallets OS/2 people (large)

From: tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith)

Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>The public site (the brick wall entry point) is located in
>San Francisco.  It is the site most members never
>go to but considered our public site.  It consists of one
>primary web page (although we do provide several
>publicly accessible web pages on that server like
>John *Aloha* Twelker's OS/2-Aptiva Install guide).
>That particular server uses FreeBSD because quite
>frankly, its free and a fine server software and it is the
>only server we use in San Francisco.

Uhmmm...that site appears to be a virtual host, so wouldn't a more accurate
statement be it runs BSD because the hosting company that owns the server
wants to run that?

What I don't understand is *why* you have a site on a virtual host on
a server you don't own when all it has is a few pages.  Why not move that
site over to one of your own servers?  You can keep the IP address separate
so that it wouldn't give away the address of your private server.

--Tim Smith

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From: chili@ibm.net                                     24-Sep-99 11:13:10
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: Installing NC/2 4.61GA while keeping the trusty old 2.02

From: chili@ibm.net (Gerry Chilibeck)

In message <FIiROLCWddLd-pn2-yezmiySf44r3@ts21324.hknet.com> -
pit@iohk.SPAM-NOT.com (taiQ) writes:
>
>Thanks to the improved OS/2-native DnD of Communicator I'm finally 
>ready to give it a try but I'd rather preserve the ol' workhorse v2.02
>setup that has served me so well over the years (I tend to drag .html 
>files off the browser window and into my desktop folders and I 
>understand that this still doesn't work under v4.61). Can I simply 
>install the new 4.61 (and the plug-in pack 3.0) to a new directory or 
>should I run through certain hoops to preserve the existing setup?
>
>Does Java (1.18?) work reliably with Communicator? If so, what is the 
>recommended order of installation? (I recall seeing informative 
>postings explaining just that, but didn't save them and I'm running 
>low on intuition wrt. Dejanews)
>
>
>PS. I grabbed it from the IBM ftp site, just like everybody else.
>
>
>Brgds,
>-- 
> taiQ

I just did it. Java 118 on top of 117 first and then NC461GA in
addition to an installed 404.  48 hrs and all's well.

Now I have to figure out how to uninstall NC404 without skewering
NC461.  


...Chili at ibm dot net....Eh!

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From: michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de                        24-Sep-99 13:28:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: Word for 95/98: a naive questions

From: michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de

jfloewen@artsci.wustl.edu (Joe Loewenstein) writes:

> This is probably a stupid question.  I am collaborating on a project with
> people who need to be able to edit each others' manuscripts.  We're not on a
> LAN, so we'll be ftp-ing the files to each other.  They all seem to have
> decided to use Word for Windows 95 or 98 as their editor-of-choice.  I need
to
> be able to play.
> [...] 
> I simply need to be able to work with these folks, but preferably without
> giving up the OS/2 workplace I'm used to.  
> 
Try StarOffice for OS/2. It's free and is able to read/write
Word-Documents.

Look at http://www.sun.com/staroffice/

-- 
Michael Holzapfel <michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de>

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From: cmhall@umich.edu                                  24-Sep-99 11:24:12
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: Word for 95/98: a naive questions

From: cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall)

In <7se9pg$2qe$1@newsreader.wustl.edu>, jfloewen@artsci.wustl.edu (Joe
Loewenstein) writes:
>This is probably a stupid question.  I am collaborating on a project with
>people who need to be able to edit each others' manuscripts.  We're not on a
>LAN, so we'll be ftp-ing the files to each other.  They all seem to have
>decided to use Word for Windows 95 or 98 as their editor-of-choice.  I need
to
>be able to play.
>
>For a while I worked with Wordview, copying the text and pasting it into one
>of a couple of DOS-based wordprocessors I use, but I can't use the redlining
>features or any of the various features that support collaborative editing. 
>(Wordview is the only Windows program I run, actually).
>
>Am I stuck having to install Windows 95 or 98?  Looks like a nuisance to me. 
>Please, no waggish remarks about how I should get out of this collaboration. 
>I simply need to be able to work with these folks, but preferably without
>giving up the OS/2 workplace I'm used to.  
>
>

There's Buddy's suggestion of using Describe, which would work but would be
a hard sell. Other possibilities (I face the same problem, so I have
experience)

1) Word 6 works beautifully (for Word at least - I think it's the best MS
product
ever) in WinOS/2. Now if you have WordView, you also have the msword8.cnv
convertor. It allows Word 6 to open word 7 & 8 files. You can only save as
Word 6, but that's not really a problem. This is the workaround which will be
as transparent to the others as possible.

2) Use Wordpro from Lotus Smartsuite. Latest update, I believe, handles
word8 (=Office97) files. Of course, you can use the "Describe" approach
by standardizing on Wordpro format. Wordpro is nice, but I preferred its
earlier incarnation as Amipro. Now there was a great word processor.

3) El cheapo solution is to download StarOffice. It's big, bloated but
capable,
and it handles Word files. In fact, your collaborators can download the Win32
version, and you can standardize on StarWriter. And it's free.

4) This one is also free, but requires discipline on the part of your
collaborators.
Unfortunately, this is becoming rare for Windows users, who sound more and
more like Mac users (e.g. "I didn't run any program... I just clicked on it
and it opened!"). That is, decide on some common denominator file format
and stick to it. Word 6 is a possible (earlier Word formats handled super and
subscripts terribly). RTF works well for simpler documents. HTML?
Worperfect 5.1? Find out which is reasnonbly supported and go with it.

Chris Hall  (cmhall@umich.edu)
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Sep-99 12:44:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: Word for 95/98: a naive questions

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:24:25, cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall) a Úcrit dans un
message:

back story snipt
> 
> 1) Word 6 works beautifully (for Word at least - I think it's the best MS 
> product
> ever) in WinOS/2. Now if you have WordView, you also have the msword8.cnv
> convertor. It allows Word 6 to open word 7 & 8 files. You can only save as
> Word 6, but that's not really a problem. This is the workaround which will
be
> as transparent to the others as possible.
etc. snipt

Lots of good advice about alternatives in formats and programs. (Assuming 
you don't run up against someone who thinks they're doing their god Bill 
Gates a personal favor by requiring everybody to have the latest yes latest
M$ software.)

But.

The original problem was a group that needed "groupware", to pass documents
in progress around and work on them jointly, so it's a bit larger than just
being able to open/save the chosen format. My personal experience with 
using DeScribe across platforms for just this type of work led me to 
recommend that approach. The software's still around, easy to install, and 
no harder to learn than any other WP program for both newcomers to word 
processing and old hands in other programs.

And anybody doing WP on a very large document will appreciate DeScribe's 
bulletproof auto backups procedures, when something else in Win9x causes 
the system to die. I've never seen a single one of DeScribe's \temp files 
to be lost in a subsequent reboot to a dirty drive, unlike the backups that
Word takes. Evidently Word keeps the backups open, along with the original,
leading to corruption of both copies on an abend. (This was 2-3 years ago, 
and I don't remember what Word version I saw this in.)


The DeScribe "solution" isn't that foolish, and is surprisingly easy to 
implement for group work. It's the main reason I accumulated about half a 
dozen copies of Voyager, so I'd have the CD's and manuals to loan out for 
such work.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: uliw@erdw.ethz.ch                                 24-Sep-99 14:48:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: emacs screen redraw on thinkpad problems

From: Uli Wortmann <uliw@erdw.ethz.ch>

Hi there,

using emacs on my thinkpad produces a lot of screen redraw
problems. E.g. spillting the buffer results in a lot of characters
missing. THis happens with emacs 20.xx as well as with emacs 19.33.

I found some old deja news messages describing the problem, but nobody
had a working solution. Im using warp4 fp10 on a tp390e. I tested
with, and without OD using MAXWAIT values from 1 to 3, but had no luck
:-(

	Thanks for any input

		Uli

-- 
	Uli Wortmann           Fax (Switzerland) (1) 632  1080
	Dept. of Geology       Fon                        3694
	ETH-Zuerich    http://www.erdw.ethz.ch/~bonk/bonk.html
	Visit the SPOC-team at http://www.spoc.ethz.ch

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From: cmhall@umich.edu                                  24-Sep-99 13:48:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: Word for 95/98: a naive questions

From: cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall)

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zHUJFdMqJpLb@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:24:25, cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall) a ‚crit dans un
>message:
>
>back story snipt
>>

my old stuff deleted
 
>
>Lots of good advice about alternatives in formats and programs. (Assuming 
>you don't run up against someone who thinks they're doing their god Bill 
>Gates a personal favor by requiring everybody to have the latest yes latest
>M$ software.)
>

Thanks

>But.
>
>The original problem was a group that needed "groupware", to pass documents
>in progress around and work on them jointly, so it's a bit larger than just
>being able to open/save the chosen format. My personal experience with 
>using DeScribe across platforms for just this type of work led me to 
>recommend that approach. The software's still around, easy to install, and 
>no harder to learn than any other WP program for both newcomers to word 
>processing and old hands in other programs.
>
>And anybody doing WP on a very large document will appreciate DeScribe's 
>bulletproof auto backups procedures, when something else in Win9x causes 
>the system to die. I've never seen a single one of DeScribe's \temp files 
>to be lost in a subsequent reboot to a dirty drive, unlike the backups that
>Word takes. Evidently Word keeps the backups open, along with the original,
>leading to corruption of both copies on an abend. (This was 2-3 years ago, 
>and I don't remember what Word version I saw this in.)
>
>
>The DeScribe "solution" isn't that foolish, and is surprisingly easy to 
>implement for group work. It's the main reason I accumulated about half a 
>dozen copies of Voyager, so I'd have the CD's and manuals to loan out for 
>such work.
>

I didn't meant to disparage your solution, or Describe for that matter. I have
used Describe and rather like it. It can be a bit non-intuitive for people
coming
from Word/Wordperfect, but it is usable and, as you said reliable.

I guess I have a different perspective, partially because my collaborators
are all over the world. It's not easy to convince people in other locations
to install or use software, especially if they haven't heard of it. Your point
about backups and recovery is well taken. Another point which I should have
made, is that MS Word defaults to quick save mode, which is a kind of
rolling patch-up to the original document. Other WPs (Wordpro) gag at this
and it's important to get people to turn this "feature" off, which is now of
little practical use in the Pentium era. It is also important to use a format
which supports revision highlighting.

In a rational world, or where you can visit the others in the group and help
them
install software, I think you are right. Unfortunately, I've found many Win9X
users to be totally unwilling to budge from standard MS stuff. For those
people, I guess the closest thing to a WP lingua franca is Word 6. Of course,
in a Physics environment, there's always LaTeX !!!!


Chris Hall  (cmhall@umich.edu)
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 24-Sep-99 13:36:25
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: IBM OS/2 contact

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

JNiffen <JNiffen@IBM.Net> wrote:

>>         Pretty expensive from what I have read here...  With HPFS386, IBM
>> pays a royalty to Microsoft for like $500 per copy or some amount of that
>> kind.  So...a new OS/2 client going for at least $501, sorry but I won't
>> be buying.  ;-)
>Besides, JFS performs better.

Umm, is this true?  My understanding of JFS was that is does not have
a seperate caching mechanism but has to do with 'how' data is written
to disk.

Its also my understanding that HPFS386 gets it main performance
attributes from a larger (possible) cache.  ACL's written directly to
directories will also have a meaningful effect, particularly so with a
busy server (ie, lots of users).

Craig


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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     24-Sep-99 01:40:09
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

If you wish to compare, here is the response I received to my e-mail 
of the same type :)

Dear Mr. Pasnak:

Thank you for your interest in IBM's OS/2 family of products.  IBM 
often
explores possible business opportunities with other companies.   We do
not
discuss these potential opportunities publicly until a contractual 
relationship
is finalized.

IBM's OS/2 initiative is for customers to achieve platform 
independence via our
application model referred to as the Application Framework for 
e-business.  Our
strategy is focused on server-managed clients.  WorkSpace On-Demand 
and Warp
Server for e-business is our solution to this environment and is a 
early step
for transition to the Application Framework.  Our server-managed 
client solution
offers centralized management and control of heterogeneous clients, 
potential
lower cost of ownership, and rapid deployment of applications.

We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server for 
e-business and
WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002.  These enhancements 
will focus on
e-business technologies, extending WorkSpace On-Demand to industry 
servers other
than OS/2, and hardware and device driver support that we believe is 
most
essential to our key enterprise customers.

We appreciate your feedback regarding IBM and its products.

Regards,

Larry Thorn
NCSD Marketing





On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:28:49, Alan Beagley 
<abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com> woke up with a head full of 
whiskey and wrote:

> This message seems to be in reponse to my e-mail to Lou Gerstner expressing
my
> disappointment that there is apparently to be no new OS/2 client:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> morecsat@us.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> > Dear Mr. Beagley,
> >
> > Thank you for your interest in IBM's OS/2 family of products.  IBM often
> > explores possible business opportunities with other companies.   We do not
> > discuss these potential opportunities publicly until a contractual
relationship is
> > finalized.
> >
> > IBM's OS/2 initiative is for customers to achieve platform independence
via our
> > application model referred to as the Application Framework for e-business. 
 Our
> > strategy is focused on server-managed clients.  WorkSpace On-Demand and
Warp
> > Server for e-business is our solution to this environment and is a early
step for
> > transition to the Application Framework.  Our server-managed client
solution
> > offers centralized management and control of heterogeneous clients,
potential
> > lower cost of ownership, and rapid deployment of applications.
> >
> > We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server for
e-business and
> > WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002.  These enhancements will
focus on
> > e-business technologies, extending WorkSpace On-Demand to industry servers 
other
> > than OS/2, and hardware and device driver support that we believe is most
> > essential to our key enterprise customers.
> >
> > We appreciate your feedback regarding IBM and its products.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Larry Thorn
> > NCSD Marketing
> 

J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
******************
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
*******************

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From: Trancser@Freenet.Nether.Net                       24-Sep-99 01:32:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Trancser <Trancser@Freenet.Nether.Net>

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>
>
> You got it!  OS/2 continues to be THE Killer OS today.  No other
> desktop operating system on the market today can equal the
> power, stability and quality of OS/2.  NONE!
>
> Tim Martin
> The OS/2 Guy
> Warp City
> http://warpcity.com
> "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

And with this statment, I'd like to slide in a li'l question, its kinda off
topic, but
I thought this would be the (or one at least - of the os2 ng's out there) to
ask it in,
but, since the (supposed) leak of the OS/2 kernel, hpfs driver and multimedia
support,
depending on who all knows about it yet?? Well, if you DO know about it, I was
wondering if anyone plans on doing anything with it?    If merely patching
would be
(obviously?) illegal, then a total re-write ....whichever way you'd do it....

Anyway, the only reason for wasting my time by asking this question, is
because I
myself use and really like the OS as well....have for many years, and since
hearing the
source has suddently become available thought this might give an opportunity
for some
programmers out there to do some creative things w/ Os/2

    I know also that if and when another fixpack would come out, that the
modifications
you made with the kernel source thats available would or might come in
conflict with
what changes IBM would've made to whatever...but I'm not sure that IBM
actually
modifies to much (if anything) with OS/2's kernel, as far as the current and
(possibly)
last client version of OS/2 goes? I think its mostly the DLL's that get
modified? I'm
not 100% sure, but again ...just thought I'd ask.

jbergman@ixc.ixc.net



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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><A HREF="http://pages.infinit.net/exovede"></A>&nbsp;

<P>You got it!&nbsp; OS/2 continues to be THE Killer OS today.&nbsp; No
other
<BR>desktop operating system on the market today can equal the
<BR>power, stability and quality of OS/2.&nbsp; NONE!

<P>Tim Martin
<BR>The OS/2 Guy
<BR>Warp City
<BR><A HREF="http://warpcity.com">http://warpcity.com</A>
<BR>"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"</BLOCKQUOTE>
And with this statment, I'd like to slide in a li'l question, its kinda
off topic, but I thought this would be the (or one at least - of the os2
ng's out there) to ask it in, but, since the (supposed) leak of the OS/2
kernel, hpfs driver and multimedia support, depending on who all knows
about it yet?? Well, if you DO know about it, I was wondering if anyone
plans on doing anything with it?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If merely patching would
be (obviously?) illegal, then a total re-write ....whichever way you'd
do it....

<P>Anyway, the only reason for wasting my time by asking this question,
is because I myself use and really like the OS as well....have for many
years, and since hearing the source has suddently become available thought
this might give an opportunity for some programmers out there to do some
creative things w/ Os/2

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I know also that if and when another fixpack would
come out, that the modifications you made with the kernel source thats
available would or might come in conflict with what changes IBM would've
made to whatever...but I'm not sure that IBM actually modifies to much
(if anything) with OS/2's kernel, as far as the current and (possibly)
last client version of OS/2 goes? I think its mostly the DLL's that get
modified? I'm not 100% sure, but again ...just thought I'd ask.

<P>jbergman@ixc.ixc.net

<P>&nbsp;</HTML>

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From: benbowc@ibm.net                                   24-Sep-99 21:23:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: Craig Benbow <benbowc@ibm.net>

So who is lobbying the other six?????
If anyone has friends in high places it appears now is a good time to call in
a few favours!!!

Craig

rjfreem@ibm.net wrote:

> In <p3V53kDg6xHP090yn@ibm.net>, on 09/19/99
>    at 05:04 PM, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) said:
>
> Unfortunalely I walked into Steven King's ( manager of development)
> presentation late At Warp Expo late. What He did say was that IBM could
> not deliver a client was of an IBM policy requiring the client to be
> delivered in 32 languages. A meet will be held next month to decide if a
> third party will be permitted to produce a client. He said he would vote
> yes, but that he is one of seven votes. RJF
>
> >In article <37E52702.5492FEF7@WarpCity.com>,
> >Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>And yet an IBM official attending Warp Expo West
> >>stated publicly yesterday that no such meeting
> >>took place - and he should know, he is on the
> >>committee.   He said it was cancelled due to travel
> >>problems.  He also said Brad was wrong.  AND he
> >>said IBM has made no decision on whether or not
> >>they will release a Warp 5 client 'this year'.
> >>
> >>Stardock has a vested financial interest in all this
> >>free publicity.  Brad does not and cannot speak for IBM.
> >>
> >>> I wish there would be a new client, but I think it unlikely.
> >>
> >>And I see the glass as half full.  I say there will be a
> >>Warp 5 client.  Just not in 1999.
>
> >Here's the explanation for the non-meeting "meeting". This is in response
> >to a question regarding the  report at os2.org stating that no meeting
> >took place. The following  is the answer I received from an IBMer close
> >to the proceedings:
>
> >==================================================
>
> >Brad's statement and this one are not inconsistent.
>
> >The meeting didn't take place because there was a meeting ahead of the
> >meeting,
> >at which it was decided there wasn't any need to have a meeting because
> >IBM was
> >not going to pursue Stardock's proposal (and the "agreement in principle"
> >between IBM and Stardock).  (You see, you only have *that* meeting to
> >*approve*
> >agenda items.)
>
> >IBM hasn't ruled any third party out of offering a new client, but it
> >hasn't
> >ruled any third party (or itself) *in*, either.  (IBM almost never rules
> >anything out.)  Brad's statement was accurate; Stardock anticipates no
> >change in
> >IBM's stance.
>
> >Brad's statement was also accurate that IBM has received more than one
> >offer.
> >Thus far IBM has rejected all of them "at this time."
>
> >======================================================
>
> >--
> >************************************************************** *  Dan
> >Casey                                                 * *  President
> >*
> >*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education * *
> >http://www.os2voice.org                                   * *  Abraxas on
> >IRC                                            * *
> >http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         * *  Charter
> >Associate member, Team SETI                       * *  Warpstock 99 in
> >Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
> >************************************************************** *  E-Mail
> >(subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
> >**************************************************************
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> rjfreem@ibm.net
> -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: jules@goes.com                                    23-Sep-99 23:06:29
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: jules@goes.com (Jules Greenstein)

:>> >On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:02, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
:>> >wrote:
:>> >
:>> >> This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows it 

:>> >> dated today:
:>> >> 
:>> >> 	ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe

      Thanks for finding this ftp site.  Can you tell me if this is the 128
bit or the 58 bit version?  I am having trouble downloading it from Software
Choice.


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From: lazydogbbs@yahoo.com                              24-Sep-99 04:11:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: AIM JAVA - download

From: lazydogbbs@yahoo.com (lazydog)

tried it again, maybe if I get out of windows I can download the thing.
otherwise I seem to be using the java app on the aol web site.


In article <7sesdo$o0l$2@nnrp02.primenet.com>, judithr@primenet.com says...
>
>AIM java is available from the AOL site.  Look for their Quick Buddy at
>http://www.aol.com/aim/quickbuddy/about.html
>
>It works okay, though I cannot compare it to a Windows version as I have
>never used that. 
>
>
>-- 
>
>Judith Russell
>
>judithr@primenet.com                
>http://www.primenet.com/~judithr/  
>

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From: lazydogbbs@yahoo.com                              24-Sep-99 03:19:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: AIM Java - Where can I download it from

From: lazydogbbs@yahoo.com (lazydog)

I tried a few searches on bmtc, hobbes, web crawler but having no luck.
Went to the aol page but no download was available.

Thanks

.......Seth


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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        23-Sep-99 20:57:16
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: Mousedriver for mouse w. Mousewheel

From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

Milind Rao wrote:
 
> > :>Is there an OS/2 mouse driver for some
> > :>brand mouse with mousewheel ? Preferable Logitech.

> >       Yes.  I have a logitech wheel mouse that I've had working in OS2 for
> > almost a year now.  As I recall, there is am IBM device driver for the
> > "ScrollPoint" or the "Logitech Mouseman+" mouse. The compressed file
> > is SCROLLMS.EXE. I'm not sure where I got the file but it was on one
 
> I'm using Microsoft's scroll mouse with the SCROLLMS driver and found
> that the mouse movement speed at its fastest is slower than what I had
> with the regular mouse driver.  Anyone else notice this?  It is
> substantially slower than the speed in Windows.
 
I tried an M$ trackball with the SCROLLMS software. It was totally
unusable due to slow tracking. I reported it as a bug to IBM. Never got
an acknowledgement.

I tried a generic trackball. No better than the M$. With it, even the
standard mouse driver is too slow set to fastest.

Please report as a bug to IBM.
-- 
A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of
understanding holds his tongue.                Proverbs 11:12 NKJV

 Team OS/2

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net


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From: jbrock@panix.com                                  24-Sep-99 00:34:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: What should Netscape 4.61 dictionary file be named?

From: jbrock@panix.com (John Brock)

I downloaded "IBM(R) Spellchecker Dictionaries for Netscape
Communicator 4.61 for OS/2(R) Warp" from Software Choice a few days
back and got a file called "us.dic".  However I also, out of idle
curiosity, tried downloading the same file at work, and ended up with
"us.exe".  So which is right?  At work I did the download using
Netscape 4.04 under Windows NT, while at home I used WebExplorer under
OS/2 4.0.

Also, having downloaded the US English version of 4.61 is there any
point in also downloading the US English spellcheck dictionary?  When I
saw three new options at Software Choice I automatically downloaded all
three, thinking that the US English dictionary option must be a
supplement to the dictionary that came with the US English 4.61.  But
it occurs to me now that this option is probably for people who want to
download multiple dictionaries so that they can write in more than one
language, and that the dictionary I downloaded separately is probably
included already in my copy of "comm46xr.exe".  I suppose I'll find out
when I actually install everything this Saturday.
-- 
John Brock
jbrock@panix.com

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               23-Sep-99 22:01:29
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Jules Greenstein wrote:

> :>> >On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:52:02, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)
> :>> >wrote:
> :>> >
> :>> >> This has a September 17 file date, although the Software Links shows
it
> :>> >> dated today:
> :>> >>
> :>> >>  ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
>
>       Thanks for finding this ftp site.  Can you tell me if this is the 128
> bit or the 58 bit version?  I am having trouble downloading it from Software
> Choice.

The 128 bit version is named: comm46xr.exe


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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              24-Sep-99 05:00:05
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: db2/2 install problem

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>

Hello,
    I recently downloaded the db2 for os/2 (personal edition). Whenever
I tried to install it, the installation would hang on the screen that
asks me to name the database. The text entry field is active but that's
it. No mouse clicks allowed (the Wait pointer is active), no Enter key
allowed, the pushbuttons are disabled, etc. There is no way to indicate
that I have entered a name and am ready to move on.
    Any ideas?


-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: lazydogbbs@yahoo.com                              24-Sep-99 05:18:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: AIM JAVA - download

From: lazydogbbs@yahoo.com (lazydog)

I found it........


http://www.aim.aol.com/beta/javadownload.html 

The quickbuddy link only starts up some java app on the web site,
if you select
the link provided it is broken. I did a search for
aim_generic.zip on the aol
site and finally came up with it.

have a nice day

.....Seth

btw, look for sfw1255 on aim...

p.s. having trouble getting it to load a browser. But other wise
ok.

aim command changes i used

I added d:\java11\lib\clases.zip to the orginal aim.cmd file and
it works. I guess.


In message <37eafdb5$1$whqvgue$mr2ice@news.earthlink.net> -
judithr9@earthlink.net writes:
:>
:>
:>Yes, using it on AOL in a Netscape window.  I assumed that was what
:>was meant by the Java version of AIM for OS/2 since it was all I
:>could find.  Maybe/probably not. ??  But, it is only there when I
:>want to log on to that and takes no room on my HD so it is enough. 
:>Perhaps not at all good enough for people who use it more than I do. 
:>Hmmm.  Particularly since I cannot seem to get the the AOL site
:>tonight. 
:>
:>
:>>tried it again, maybe if I get out of windows I can download the
:>>thing. otherwise I seem to be using the java app on the aol web
:>>site.
:>
:>
:>>In article <7sesdo$o0l$2@nnrp02.primenet.com>, judithr@primenet.com
:>>says... >
:>>>AIM java is available from the AOL site.  Look for their Quick Buddy at
:>>>http://www.aol.com/aim/quickbuddy/about.html
:>>>
:>>>It works okay, though I cannot compare it to a Windows version as I have
:>>>never used that. 
:>>>
:>>>
:>>>-- 
:>>>
:>>>Judith Russell
:>>>
:>>>judithr@primenet.com                
:>>>http://www.primenet.com/~judithr/  
:>>>
:>
:>
:>
:>Judith Russell       
:>judithr@primenet.com                    
:>Saugus Web Coordinator
:>http://www.hart.k12.ca.us/saugus
:>
:>
:>




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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     24-Sep-99 05:11:18
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

mchasson@ibm.net wrote:

> Well Jeff, to quote the late C. Stengel, "most people my age are dead".
> However I continue to labor in the vineyard and consider myself lucky to
> remember my own name, let alone yours. Nothing personal, just life.
> Actually I think you guys have already taken on "virtual"  lives in the
> ng.  Perhaps its time to post a picture for those of your following who
> have been shooting at you these past months.  Or if you prefer you can
> give up on automatons and read Pirandello.

I have to admit that I'm not familiar with Pirandello's work;
in fact, I had to do a web search just to find out who he was.

In any case, I don't know if I want to provide people with a
picture for them to tack up over a dartboard, though I could
send out my spinning-head "throbber" that I have running
on Netscape on my work machine.  Beyond that, there's
always the slim chance I could show my face at Warpstock
next month.

And yes, mentioning the throbber was my attempt to make
this post back on topic for the newsgroup.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team


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From: judithr9@earthlink.net                            23-Sep-99 21:23:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: AIM JAVA - download

From: judithr9@earthlink.net

Yes, using it on AOL in a Netscape window.  I assumed that was what
was meant by the Java version of AIM for OS/2 since it was all I
could find.  Maybe/probably not. ??  But, it is only there when I
want to log on to that and takes no room on my HD so it is enough. 
Perhaps not at all good enough for people who use it more than I do. 
Hmmm.  Particularly since I cannot seem to get the the AOL site
tonight. 


>tried it again, maybe if I get out of windows I can download the
>thing. otherwise I seem to be using the java app on the aol web
>site.


>In article <7sesdo$o0l$2@nnrp02.primenet.com>, judithr@primenet.com
>says... >
>>AIM java is available from the AOL site.  Look for their Quick Buddy at
>>http://www.aol.com/aim/quickbuddy/about.html
>>
>>It works okay, though I cannot compare it to a Windows version as I have
>>never used that. 
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>Judith Russell
>>
>>judithr@primenet.com                
>>http://www.primenet.com/~judithr/  
>>



Judith Russell       
judithr@primenet.com                    
Saugus Web Coordinator
http://www.hart.k12.ca.us/saugus



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From: gmezero@gz.bomb.com                               24-Sep-99 06:01:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: Java through proxy

From: gmezero@gz.bomb.com (Bryan aka R.I.P.)

If you are using Netscape, insert this line into the file:
"netscape\users\default\prefs.js"    ("default" may = your user name)

user_pref("security.lower_java_network_security_by_trusting_proxies", true);

I usually stick it down near the end with the other security line, but I don't
think it really matters. This should fix almost all of your Java through proxy 
problems...

Cheers,

Bryan aka R.I.P.
gmezero @ gz.bomb.com

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:59:37 GMT, Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca
(Michel A Goyette) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>	I'm trying to access the Yahoo games through the "Internet Gate" 
>proxy server but the applet can't connect to the Yahoo server.  Anyone
>got this "problem" solved?  TIA.
>
>Salut,
>
>	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
>	ICQ #13376913
>	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             24-Sep-99 05:28:18
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: AIM Java - Where can I download it from

From: jsjones@selectric.net

There's really no need to download it and run it locally. It's tiny and loads
into 
memory in a few seconds. And if you get a fresh copy each time you'll always
have 
the latest version. You can't do anything with it if you're not online,
anyway, 
so why keep a copy?

You don't need to run it in Netscape, either. Here's how:

	1. Create a URL object for this address: http://toc.oscar.aol.com and 
	   name it AIM.
	2. Open the Java folder, which should be in the Programs folder.
	3. Drag and drop the AIM URL object on the "Java Applet Viewer from URL"
	   object/icon in the Java folder.
	4. AIM will start in its own window.

This is a great way to run Java applets and much cooler than what other OSs
can 
do. This way, Netscape doesn't crash from running buggy applets and you don't 
have to have Netscape running, at all, to use AIM. I have a folder for applet
URLs
and a put a copy of Java Applet Viewer from URL on the desktop. I can start
the 
applets any time and leave them running and browse away in Netscape with 
abandon. I run some applets this way that lock up Netscape as hard as
Microsoft 
locks up other people's innovations. You can start the applet(s) from any web 
page this way, provided no additional input (passwords, etc) isn't required.


In <7seqkr$v7b$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>, lazydogbbs@yahoo.com (lazydog)
writes:
>
>I tried a few searches on bmtc, hobbes, web crawler but having no luck.
>Went to the aol page but no download was available.

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Sep-99 06:39:15
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: OS2 PDF Software

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:56:21, htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis) a Úcrit dans 
un message:
snipt
> And we should all hope that Brother Donnelly gets this work done
> quickly, demonstrating 1)his facility, 

Or, impairment of same.

(Hey, it's Friday Nite, I see. Maybe I'm not impaired *enough*.)

> 2) the triviality of the problem,

It's proving non-trivial. 

> 3)that a printer touted for its OS/2-friendly genes has bred true, 

Harry knows I've taken a chance on the Lexmark Optra Color 40, which it 
turns out comes with OS/2 drivers but depends too much (for my money) on 
software front-end. Not quite a WinPrinter, but too close for comfort. No 
On/Off switch, No Cartridge service button. You yank the plug outta the 
back to do a power reset. You need a software utility just to move the 
cartridge carriers to a place you can insert new ones.

My problem is my printer port ain't doing BIDI right now under OS/2. I'm 
loading all the drivers for it, and when booting over to Win98 I can run 
BIDI just fine (that's how I got the carts in) so the cable's good, etc. 
But evidently I've got a conflict in resources that's stopping it from 
returning info back down the cable.

It prints fine, however it throws an evil error message printing out of 
Netscape461 with TimesNewRoman as the default NS font. Had to change to 
Helvetica to print a page.

(And it needs more than the 4MB of RAM it comes with, especially to print 
PostScript. I haven't pulled the back to check, but the handbook suggests 
it is proprietary memory, and I'm gonna get cranky if I have to pay through
the nose for it.)

>4) that Cuz T. Sipples is a reliable tout, 

Yes, I'll thank Tim Sipples for steering me to the BUY.COM site for this 
closeout. The 5700 is selling for $150 net right now (after rebate) and for
just $70 more, you add PostScript printing. Worth it to me.

An interesting thing about the BUY.COM purchase experience was how tightly 
their operations are wired into the web. Even a live Java talkback panel 
that was supposed to get somebody from Customer Service "chatting" back 
with me on my query, although it never happened.

>and 5) that Brother Donnelly has
> plenty of time to write about the joys of using a bargain-priced
> PS-endowed inkjet printer.

When I figure out how to re-allot my resources, probably DMA, I'll be more 
joyful. Then I've got to tackle splicing in a Parallel Port board into my 
last remaining slot, and finding resources for it. Might be time to get an 
old box up as a print server.

There ya go. All I know.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          24-Sep-99 16:31:14
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: What should Netscape 4.61 dictionary file be named?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I downloaded Comm 4.6.1 the other day and also the UK.DIC file.
After installation I noticed that both the US and UK dictionaries
were already installed so I deleted the file I downloaded. They
were both the same size so I guess they were the same file. It
would have been nice if it was mentioned that the UK.DIC file
is included in the Comm download! My phone bill is going to be
horrendous enough this month.

Cheers

Wayne

On 24 Sep 1999 00:34:12 -0400, John Brock wrote:

:>I downloaded "IBM(R) Spellchecker Dictionaries for Netscape
:>Communicator 4.61 for OS/2(R) Warp" from Software Choice a few days
:>back and got a file called "us.dic".  However I also, out of idle
:>curiosity, tried downloading the same file at work, and ended up with
:>"us.exe".  So which is right?  At work I did the download using
:>Netscape 4.04 under Windows NT, while at home I used WebExplorer under
:>OS/2 4.0.
:>
:>Also, having downloaded the US English version of 4.61 is there any
:>point in also downloading the US English spellcheck dictionary?  When I
:>saw three new options at Software Choice I automatically downloaded all
:>three, thinking that the US English dictionary option must be a
:>supplement to the dictionary that came with the US English 4.61.  But
:>it occurs to me now that this option is probably for people who want to
:>download multiple dictionaries so that they can write in more than one
:>language, and that the dictionary I downloaded separately is probably
:>included already in my copy of "comm46xr.exe".  I suppose I'll find out
:>when I actually install everything this Saturday.
:>-- 
:>John Brock
:>jbrock@panix.com

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     23-Sep-99 23:23:19
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: 4.61 D/L came through as a DOS exe (!?)

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:40:07 -0400, Thomas A. Heller wrote:

->I used Warp's PMFTP to acquire the 4.61 Netscape GA
->(my previous attempts to d/l with NS4.04 failed
->after 20, then 40 minutes).
->
->But the d/l file's object shows as a DOS object in
->the directory container/folder and will not run
->(self-extract).  What may have caused this?
->
->I selected ASCII as the download mode, rather than
->binary.  Any reason to suspect this is the reason?

Yes, that's exactly the symptoms you get from downloading a binary
executable file in ASCI mode. Throw it away and start again, sorry.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: jfloewen@artsci.wustl.edu                         23-Sep-99 22:32:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Word for 95/98: a naive questions

From: jfloewen@artsci.wustl.edu (Joe Loewenstein)

This is probably a stupid question.  I am collaborating on a project with
people who need to be able to edit each others' manuscripts.  We're not on a
LAN, so we'll be ftp-ing the files to each other.  They all seem to have
decided to use Word for Windows 95 or 98 as their editor-of-choice.  I need to
be able to play.

For a while I worked with Wordview, copying the text and pasting it into one
of a couple of DOS-based wordprocessors I use, but I can't use the redlining
features or any of the various features that support collaborative editing. 
(Wordview is the only Windows program I run, actually).

Am I stuck having to install Windows 95 or 98?  Looks like a nuisance to me. 
Please, no waggish remarks about how I should get out of this collaboration. 
I simply need to be able to work with these folks, but preferably without
giving up the OS/2 workplace I'm used to.  


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                24-Sep-99 10:01:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:07:47, Michael Kaply 
<mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> wrote:

îOK, FYI, boulder put netscape on their fastest server and y'all crashed
îit!
¯
îSo they are moving to a server with many times more the capacity.
¯
îThat's really the answer.

Thanks.


îWe underestimated demand.

Seems to be IBM's problem wrt OS/2, in general - 
underestimating demand, that is.  ;-)



________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Sep-99 09:57:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:29:45, hamei@pacbell.net a Úcrit dans un message:

> In <ndBG3.32$ffd.170534400@news.frii.net>, thoman@verinet.com writes:
> >In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zyIkwsfcyWUY@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
> >>
> >>My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
> >>simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
> >>continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our
operations?
> >
> >        All things come to an end, especially those that don't generate
> >revenue and do inflict cost.  The costs in this type of case could grow,
> >as further development of NAV could require continual adjustments in
> >methods of translating from stuff for NAV to stuff for IBM AV, even as 
> >knowledge of IBM AV at Symantec wanes due to disuse.  
> 
> okay, dumb question : if Symantec didn't want to continue the IBM
> product, why did they buy it ? Up until that time, all the reports of
> IBM's anti-virus technology were enthusiastic and glowing - - then
> Symantec buys it, only to fade it away and substitute NAV ?  at this
> point, my small mind can only contemplate Kim's saying - 'two faces
> and three daggers.' I suppose some unforseen technicality arose *after* 
> the purchase which keeps Symantec from honouring its commitments ? 

News flash: Large corporation buys a competitor and puts it out of 
business. The gummint Anti-Trusters snooze, we all looze.

And with IBM declaring fast end-of-life for its OS, it couldn't care a whit
less about the users who had already bought IBMAV.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: mikelcw@hkstar.com                                24-Sep-99 10:00:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: Problems on WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows filename automatically rena

From: mikelcw@hkstar.com (Mike Lam)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:57:02 +0800, "oad" <oad@it.hkbank.com> wrote:

>Our workstations used OS/2 platform. Using WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows
>installed on Novell server. The WordPerfect file automatically rename to
>@xxxxxxx.wpd periodically.
>
>

what OS/2 version? Any details?

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Sep-99 10:11:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: Word for 95/98: a naive questions

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:32:16, jfloewen@artsci.wustl.edu (Joe Loewenstein) a
Úcrit dans un message:

> This is probably a stupid question.  I am collaborating on a project with
> people who need to be able to edit each others' manuscripts.  We're not on a
> LAN, so we'll be ftp-ing the files to each other.  They all seem to have
> decided to use Word for Windows 95 or 98 as their editor-of-choice.  I need
to
> be able to play.

Find them copies of DeScribe's Voyager CD. It contains copies of DeScribe 
that run on Win3.1, Win9x, and OS/2, using the same file formats, macros, 
layouts, etc.

The program has been abandoned, but the last version published was a 
legitimate version 5, and still runs brilliantly, so the lack of support 
shouldn't be an issue. Micro$oft's idea of support is worse, to sell you a 
higher version number whose file format is not backwards compatible.

> 
> For a while I worked with Wordview, copying the text and pasting it into one
> of a couple of DOS-based wordprocessors I use, but I can't use the redlining
> features or any of the various features that support collaborative editing. 
> (Wordview is the only Windows program I run, actually).

DeScribe is elegant for group use. Not only showing redlining, but popup 
notes and self-contained UNDO for as many levels as you want to make room 
for.



> 
> Am I stuck having to install Windows 95 or 98?  Looks like a nuisance to me. 

> Please, no waggish remarks about how I should get out of this collaboration. 

> I simply need to be able to work with these folks, but preferably without
> giving up the OS/2 workplace I'm used to.  

If you're working with people who think the lowest common denominator is 
the way to approach life, maybe you should find a different class of people
to work with? Me, I've already blown off one editor ("middle manager", 
actually) who thought she could insist that all submissions be in Word2000 
(or whatever they're calling it) format. She could demand it, but what is 
the sound a tree makes when it falls in the woods and there's nobody around
to hear it?



Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: ariek3.14159265358979323846@ibm.net               24-Sep-99 15:30:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 15:24:08
Subj: Hebrew webpages: what browser displays text in correct order?

From: ariek3.14159265358979323846@ibm.net (Arie Kazachin)

Hello!

I'm using NS 2.02 and/or WebEx 1.1f under WARP 3 (Hebrew NLV, FP40) to see
Hebrew webpages. For most of them, the direction of Hebrew text appears
wrong: from left to right instead of from right to left, as it should
be in Hebrew text. Interesting to note that the paragraphs are right
aligned, as they should be. I visited a webpage which explains, how
to view Hebrew pages and did what had been suggested there, but still
the Hebrew text appears "flipped" in almost all Hebrew webpages. I'm saying
"almost" because few days ago I accidentally stumbled over a webpage
in which the Hebrew text appeared correctly. I was very surprized and asked
a friend of mine to check both this and some other Hebrew webpages on his
Win95 machine. He told me that he can see both pages OK and it might be
a matter of two different standards for Hebrew webpages: one is a rare
format from Microsoft Israel (which, according to him, used almost nowhere)
and another is the "de facto standard" of Hebrew webpages used in almost
all Hebrew sites. The site explaining how to view Hebrew pages mentiones
that a title of the HTML document must include the line:

<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=windows-1255">

I accessed a webpage with "wrong" direction of Hebrew text, saved the
HTMP file of the page, added the above line to the header but this had
no effect. Examining two HTML sources, one which I see OK and one
in which the Hebrew text is "flipped" I saw that indeed, the order of
ASCII codes corresponding to Hebrew letters is different in the two
files: in the source of the "correctly displayed" page, the first
(leftmost) ASCII character of the text field corresponds to the first
(rightmost) Hebrew letter, which means: my browsers "flip" the text
field before displaying it. In the source of the "wrongly displayed"
page, the first (leftmost) ASCII character corresponds to the last
(also leftmost) Hebrew letter, which means: most Hebrew pages expect
the browser not to flip the text field.

Can anyone knowledgeable in HTML formats explain me, how is the direction
of a text to display is controlled: is it "hardcoded" in the browser or
there are some codes in the HTML file which control it?

Does anyone view Hebrew pages correctly by NS 2.02 or WebEx?
If yes, I would like to know the setup (I played with the "Language"
settings but to no avail).

I almost started downloading the NS Communicator 4.61 but reading
"installation requirements" I saw that only WARP 4 and various WARP servers
had been mentioned so before I download about 10MB, I would like to know if
the Communicator can run under WARP 3?

THANKS IN ADVANCE TO ANY HELP ! ! !
******************************************************************************
*   Arie Kazachin, Israel, e-mail: ariek3.14159265358979323846@ibm.net       *
******************************************************************************
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From: bbarclay@ca.ibm.com                               24-Sep-99 11:51:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 15:24:08
Subj: Re: PalmPilot and StarOffice

From: Brad BARCLAY <bbarclay@ca.ibm.com>

Paul Fedorenko wrote:
> How did you get your Palm connected and syncronized with OS/2?
> ok.

	Grab the jSyncManager from
http://yaztromo.idirect.com/java-pilot.html.  This is a full GUI Palm
synchronization tool, writen in pure Java, which runs quite excellently
under OS/2 (and any other platform with a half-decent JVM :).

Brad BARCLAY

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v4.5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  bbarclay@ca.ibm.com		Location:  2G43D@Torolabs

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           24-Sep-99 10:57:12
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 15:24:08
Subj: Re: What should Netscape 4.61 dictionary file be named?

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

There is a bug in all 4.04 versions of netscape browser that name files
wrong.

It should have a .dic extension.

Mike Kaply
IBM

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From: gsinger1@go.com                                   24-Sep-99 16:24:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 15:24:08
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 Beta-->OK    4.61 GA -->NO GOOD

From: gsinger1@go.com (Gideon Singer)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:11:36, "Jeffrey S. Kobal" 
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> wrote:

->  I don't know if I want to provide people with a
-> picture for them to tack up over a dartboard, though I could
-> send out my spinning-head "throbber" that I have running
-> on Netscape on my work machine.  

Spinning head? whose if I may ask? Please post somewhere I would like 
to use it.


Gideon Singer
Webpage: members.home.net:80/gsinger
email:gsinger@home.com

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           24-Sep-99 10:58:20
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 15:24:08
Subj: Re: Hebrew webpages: what browser displays text in correct order?

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

NS 4.61 for OS/2 added full support for viewing hebrew and arabic web pages,
including the ability to reverse the browser UI from left to right.
You can view pages with both implicit and visual hebrew encodings.

Mike Kaply
IBM

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From: mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           24-Sep-99 10:54:28
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 15:24:08
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: Michael Kaply <mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

The more frames you have, the faster the animation.

So if you want to use a four frame animation, just copy the same four
frames over and over again.

Mike
IBM

"Roberto F. Salomon" wrote:

>Any way to make the animation faster?

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From: bbarclay@ca.ibm.com                               24-Sep-99 12:12:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:10
Subj: Re: db2/2 install problem

From: Brad BARCLAY <bbarclay@ca.ibm.com>

James Moe wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>     I recently downloaded the db2 for os/2 (personal edition). Whenever
> I tried to install it, the installation would hang on the screen that
> asks me to name the database. The text entry field is active but that's
> it. No mouse clicks allowed (the Wait pointer is active), no Enter key
> allowed, the pushbuttons are disabled, etc. There is no way to indicate
> that I have entered a name and am ready to move on.
>     Any ideas?

	While this dialog is being displayed, the DB2 installer is attempting
to detect which network protocols you have installed on your system. 
This is done in a seperate thread, so you should be able to enter the
name you'd like to give your machine, and the pushbuttons will reenable
themselves when the process is completed.

	In some instances, however, this can "die" wihle attempting to check if
NetBIOS is installed.  There is a way to bypass this, however, by
setting the following environment variable:

			SET DB2INSTALLNODETECT=NETBIOS

	This hould get you over your current hurdle.

Brad BARCLAY

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v4.5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  bbarclay@ca.ibm.com		Location:  2G43D@Torolabs

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From: debu4335@dpnet.net                                24-Sep-99 13:56:22
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:10
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: Michael DeBusk <debu4335@dpnet.net>

Michael Kaply wrote:

> The more frames you have, the faster the animation.

Anybody remember where the "Web Explorer Animation Archive" is?

Seems like that would be a rich source of raw material for this project.

-- 
Mike DeBusk  ÿ  North East, Maryland USA  ÿ  Team OS/2
Host of the ILink Psychology and OS_Discuss conferences

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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               24-Sep-99 14:13:07
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Two e-mail addresses?

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

Is there a way, using NS 4.61, to have two different e-mail addresses
selected automatically: a "spam-resistant" one that is used when posting
to Newsgroups, and a "transparent" one that is used for person-t-person
e-mail?

Alan Beagley

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             23-Sep-99 17:52:13
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Netlabs statement about the future of OS/2

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:01:47 GMT, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

>In a nutshell, that's my beef with IBM. How about a little open and honest 
>dissemination of intentions from the ONLY people who know their plans - 
>IBM ? We all bought the product, we all have time and effort and money 
>invested, whatever they want to do is their business, just TELL US ! then 
>we can get on with our lives, decide what is best for us individually, not 
>have to sift rumours and innuendo for scraps of insight.  Or does IBM shelter 

>under the CIA umbrella now ? If anyone can be said to be responsible for the 
>OS/2 FUD campaign, it'd be IBM for never being upfront with us. And YES, 
>we deserve it - we bought the product, now come out and tell the truth,
>get it over with !

Actually, I believe IBM has been QUITE open and honest with the OS/2
SOHO crowd. IBM has ALWAYS said "OS/2 is not for the consumer
market...", "The war for the desktop is over and Windows won...", "We
recommend that you move to Windows...". "We (IBM) will no longer
support OS/2 on the Desktop...". How much more clear can they be? 

The problem isn't that IBM isn't being clear or open with us. The
problem is that WE don't want to accept IBM's stated direction. IBM
continues to update OS/2 for their large corporate accounts and they're
kind enough to allow us SOHO users to benefit from those updates at no
charge. But they see no future in continuing OS/2 as a client system,
so they've decided not to develop the client any further... and they've
been TELLING us that for over three years, while WE keep insisting that
they CONTINUE development of OS/2 Client. Where is IBM being deceitful
in this? 



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From: mikus@bga.com                                     24-Sep-99 08:51:05
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Make your own throbber

From: mikus@bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs)

I think it is nice to be able to customize the "throbber" shown
by one's browser.  (One of the reasons I like WebNavigator is it
lets me use the "animation" facility defined by WebExplorer.)

But on my display, the Netscape 4.xx throbber is a smidgin
larger than 1/8" square.  That really truly makes it hard to
see it "throbbing".  (And no, I am *not* willing to have my
toolbar take up more vertical space just to grow the throbber.)

mikus  (in contrast, my Netscape 2.02 throbber is four times
        the area)

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From: nospam@nospam.noway.com                           24-Sep-99 14:27:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: NS 4.61: Make your own throbber

From: "Roberto F. Salomon" <nospam@nospam.noway.com>

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:54:56 -0400, Michael Kaply wrote:

>The more frames you have, the faster the animation.

Will try.  I just uploaded my first attempt to hobbes.  It's based on the
wave set for WebEx.

Regards
Roberto


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From: rascho@nospam.iname.com                           24-Sep-99 20:49:20
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: AIM JAVA - download

From: "Rade Popovic" <rascho@nospam.iname.com>

On 24 Sep 1999 05:18:09 GMT, lazydog wrote:

>I found it........
>
>
>http://www.aim.aol.com/beta/javadownload.html 

Which version of AIM is that?

Rascho
e-mail:rascho@iname.com
ICQ# 49354974

------------------------
Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"


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From: wdlkhl@ibm.net                                    24-Sep-99 12:46:24
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Checkini and Java

From: Wm D Loughman <wdlkhl@ibm.net>

Using Henk Kelder's CHECKINI, I find the following in CHECKINI.LOG.  The
Java warning will NOT go away, no matter what I do.  What is it?  Why is
it?  Any ideas - beside upgrading, that is  :-) ?



Adding class TSMasterSetup to list of startup classes.
=================================================
 Checking PM_Objects:ClassTable
=================================================
=================================================
 PM_Abstract:Objects & PM_Abstract:FldrContents
=================================================
  Object 27F9F <FI_JAVA_UNINSTALL>, Class WPProgram : Remove Java 1.1.6
for OS/2
   Exename: PROGRAM NOT FOUND! Curdir: Not specified!
=================================================
 Checking PM_Abstract:Icons
=================================================
=================================================
 Checking PMWP_ASSOC_FILTER
=================================================
	[  the rest is totally OK  ]


WD "Bill" Loughman
Berkeley, California  USA
wdlkhl@ibm.net

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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                24-Sep-99 20:29:12
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <37eac711@news1.prserv.net>, jsjones@selectric.net writes:

>I have been unable to print since the second beta, with any printer driver I
have 
>installed. No other application has this problem, though 4.04 developed it as 
well 
>at some point (perhaps after applying an update a few months back?). In that 
>case, I destroyed the printer objects and recreated them, as certain other
apps 
>were having problems after they developed with 4.04. Everything else was then 

>able to print, except 4.04. I *believe* I could print with the first beta,
but I wouldn't 
>risk indictment by Ken Starr over the story. I usually print only things I
want to 
>keep from web pages, such as transaction receipts. Currently, I have to save
the 
>html to a file and open it in 2.02 or WebEx to print a copy -- sans graphics, 
of 
>course.
>
>The usual printer drivers I use are the PS and HP laserjet, with the target
being 
>the same HP IIp (with and w/o PS cart), but I've tried others, saving to
file, etc.

   I had the same problem printing from 4.61b2 and 4.61 to the
laserjet (30.453) printer.  All other applications will print,
and 4.61b2 used to print before I lost, and rebuilt my desktop.
If I print to a file, it is '0' bytes.

   I plan to install updated laserjet drivers (30.698) soon, hoping
that will rectify the problem.


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com                           24-Sep-99 14:30:07
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Make your own throbber

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <jkobal@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>

Mikus Grinbergs wrote:

> But on my display, the Netscape 4.xx throbber is a smidgin
> larger than 1/8" square.  That really truly makes it hard to
> see it "throbbing".  (And no, I am *not* willing to have my
> toolbar take up more vertical space just to grow the throbber.)

And how would you expect the throbber to be any bigger
without taking up any more space?

I've made a couple of 40x40 ones, and they seem plenty
big enough to me.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team


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From: pit@iohk.SPAM-NOT.com                             25-Sep-99 04:33:25
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Comm 4.61 GA DnD much better, but still not right

From: pit@iohk.SPAM-NOT.com (taiQ)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:32:48, milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao) 
thought aloud:

> Noticed one more problem.
> 
> DnD to a folder open in details view, doesn't work.

Darn, you're right. This one's a killer for me since the folders for 
my URLs and saved html files are both set for Details View.

Also, I can't drag html files (ctrl-drag with v2.02) off the Navigator
4.61 window anywhere, be it Details View, Icon View or even the 
Desktop. All I get is Yet Another "Bookmark". I must be doing 
something wrong, but what?

Finally, I truly miss the classic feature of v2.02 where I could turn 
graphics on or off using the main menu instead of having to go "Edit 
-> Preferences -> Advanced -> Automatically load images (tick it)". 
And same trip again to turn graphics off...  With v2.02 I could easily
set some browser windows to display graphics _as needed_. If Netscape 
asked for my opinion, I'd ask for either return to the old way, or 
better yet, a button in the toolbar that can be toggled on or off (by 
individual browser window) - with the icon indicating the status. All 
I'm asking is that I get to decide for myself how I'm using the 
browser. :-)

Oh, one more thing. I used to be able to drag URL objects to the 
"Location:" field with DragText (and Nav v2.02) but that doesn't work 
any longer under NC 4.61. Is there a version of DT that might 
accommodate this?


Rgds.
-- 
 taiQ

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From: dd@dandrake.com                                   24-Sep-99 19:30:13
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: OS2 PDF Software

From: dd@dandrake.com (Dan Drake)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:39:31, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
wrote:

>... the Lexmark Optra Color 40, which it 
> turns out comes with OS/2 drivers but depends too much (for my money) on 
> software front-end. Not quite a WinPrinter, but too close for comfort. No 
> On/Off switch, No Cartridge service button. You yank the plug outta the 
> back to do a power reset. You need a software utility just to move the 
> cartridge carriers to a place you can insert new ones.

What they don't tell you in the manual: Double-click the rightmost button.
 Single click it to move the carriage back.  Of course, this is not very 
useful, because you need to inform the software that you made the change. 
Not like the 45, which does the whole operation on line.

> 
> My problem is my printer port ain't doing BIDI right now under OS/2. I'm 
> loading all the drivers for it, and when booting over to Win98 I can run 
> BIDI just fine (that's how I got the carts in) so the cable's good, etc. 
> But evidently I've got a conflict in resources that's stopping it from 
> returning info back down the cable.

The drivers that came with mine (V 4.20) are garbage.  Neither OS/2 (Warp 
4, I forget which FP) nor Win3.1 worked.  At all.   Spent a long time on 
the phone with tech support, which is how I know about the double click.  
When I installed fresh drivers mpos32ae.exe and mplxps2.exe, downloaded 
recently from the Lexmark site, it suddenly worked.  Tech support knew 
nothing of this, though they knew that 4.20 was old, and naturally 
mentioned that trying new drivers could be a good idea.

More gripes, though they have low relevance now that the model has been 
discontinued: it's awfully hard to tell from the promo, and has to be 
inferred from the manuals, which don't state it clearly, that you _can't_ 
install this on an old machine that has old parallel ports.  Gee, why 
would anyone want to put a new printer on an old machine?  Too stupid for 
Lexmark to imagine.  And the manual isn't particularly accurate in 
describing the installation procedure, or useful in its troubleshooting 
section.  AND the type of failure that the bad OS/2 drivers gave, though 
the OS/2 support group knew nothing of this, was that upon your selecting 
the type of cartridge in the installation procedure, the entire WPS hung. 
Fixable by killing with Process Commander, but really--!

> 
>...
> 
> (And it needs more than the 4MB of RAM it comes with, especially to print 
> PostScript. I haven't pulled the back to check, but the handbook suggests 
> it is proprietary memory, and I'm gonna get cranky if I have to pay through
> the nose for it.)

Well, I can print simple PostScript on it.  But I presume that it's the 
memory shortage that causes it to barf when given a large graphic to 
print.

>...

-- 
Dan Drake
dd@dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/index.html

What exactly was the sin of Sodom?
Explicit details at
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?ezekiel+16:49

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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                24-Sep-99 20:36:13
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Word for 95/98: a naive questions

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zHUJFdMqJpLb@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:24:25, cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall) a crit dans un
>message:

>
>The DeScribe "solution" isn't that foolish, and is surprisingly easy to 
>implement for group work. It's the main reason I accumulated about half a 
>dozen copies of Voyager, so I'd have the CD's and manuals to loan out for 
>such work.

   I really like DeScribe, and it is my only word processor,
however, AFAIK, the Voyager release is not network compatible
(it's crippled), so would not be as useful for groups as the
previous full 5.0 version, which was fully network capable


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: kris@dgraph.com                                   24-Sep-99 15:48:10
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Comm 4.61 GA DnD much better, but still not right

From: Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>

When you turn graphics off there is a new button on the menu to load
images per page

taiQ wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:32:48, milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)
> thought aloud:
> 
> > Noticed one more problem.
> >
> > DnD to a folder open in details view, doesn't work.
> 
> Darn, you're right. This one's a killer for me since the folders for
> my URLs and saved html files are both set for Details View.
> 
> Also, I can't drag html files (ctrl-drag with v2.02) off the Navigator
> 4.61 window anywhere, be it Details View, Icon View or even the
> Desktop. All I get is Yet Another "Bookmark". I must be doing
> something wrong, but what?
> 
> Finally, I truly miss the classic feature of v2.02 where I could turn
> graphics on or off using the main menu instead of having to go "Edit
> -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Automatically load images (tick it)".
> And same trip again to turn graphics off...  With v2.02 I could easily
> set some browser windows to display graphics _as needed_. If Netscape
> asked for my opinion, I'd ask for either return to the old way, or
> better yet, a button in the toolbar that can be toggled on or off (by
> individual browser window) - with the icon indicating the status. All
> I'm asking is that I get to decide for myself how I'm using the
> browser. :-)
> 
> Oh, one more thing. I used to be able to drag URL objects to the
> "Location:" field with DragText (and Nav v2.02) but that doesn't work
> any longer under NC 4.61. Is there a version of DT that might
> accommodate this?
> 
> Rgds.
> --
>  taiQ
> 
>                 [this space is intentionally blank]

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From: knuttle@WorldNet.att.net                          24-Sep-99 22:03:14
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Netscape won't do news

From: knuttle@WorldNet.att.net

In <7serv0$o0l$1@nnrp02.primenet.com>, Judith Russell <judithr@primenet.com>
writes:
>I am trying to use Netscape to read newsgroups.  After subscribing to
>various groups and checking posts, marking the group as read (or not) then
>closing Netscape (4.61GA), the groups disappear.  When re-opening, there
>are none.  It's not the server, tried the same in NT and they stick. 
>Has anyone else had this problem?  
>Any suggestions? I'm not interested in booting NT to read the news.  Tin
>on the shell account is better than that. But, news would be nice in
>Netscape. 
>
If I understand your question, you must check the newsgroups that are to be 
used by Netscape.  After you have found a newsgroup of interest you must tell 
Netscape to reload it the next time you use the newsreader.  In the left
section
there are four columns.  The first is News Server, a box with a check mark,
unread
and total.   High light the newsgroup you wish to keep and check in the area
under
the check mark.  A check mark should appear next to the highlighted group.   
These Checked groups will automatically be loaded the next time you use the 
newsreader


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From: michael.schulz@btinternet.com                     24-Sep-99 21:56:24
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: PSION 5 and OS/2 synch

From: Michael Schulz <michael.schulz@btinternet.com>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Are there any OS/2 or Java programs available to synchronize with an
PSION 5?



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From: thaimann@dmreg.infi.net                           24-Sep-99 16:06:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Two e-mail addresses?

From: "Terry Haimann" <thaimann@dmreg.infi.net>

I realize netscape is free, but for e-mail and newsgroups I suggest you pay a
little money and pm-mail(handles multiple accounts) and pminews for
newsgroups.

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:13:14 -0400, Alan Beagley wrote:

>Is there a way, using NS 4.61, to have two different e-mail addresses
>selected automatically: a "spam-resistant" one that is used when posting
>to Newsgroups, and a "transparent" one that is used for person-t-person
>e-mail?
>
>Alan Beagley
>



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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        24-Sep-99 22:37:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Microsoft Word 5.5b Download

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <slrn7td4us.n1v.stefand@ferrari.lcam.u-psud.fr>, stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr
(Stefan A. Deutscher) writes:
>On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:41:52 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com
><lifedata@xxvol.com> wrote:
>>rwhutch@nr.infi.net  (R.W. Hutchinson) said:
>>>I still think that Word 5.0 was the best Word Processor I ever used,
>>>but I
>>
>>I missed the beginning of this thread.  Where is this Word download?
>
>http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/downloadDetails/Wd55eng.htm
>
>It states it is an upgrade for registered users of Word 5.0. Stefan
>

Is this a family mode app? ie will it run as a native OS/2 text mode program?

--
John

>-- 
>=========================================================================
>Stefan A. Deutscher                       | (+33-(0)1)   voice      fax
>Laboratoire des Collisions Atomiques et   | LCAM :  6915-7699  6915-7671
>Mol\'{e}culaires (LCAM), B\^{a}timent 351 | home :  5624-0992  call first
>Universit\'{e} de Paris-Sud               | email:  sad@utk.edu 
>91405 Orsay Cedex, France (Europe)        |         (forwarded to France)
>=========================================================================
> Do you know what they call a quarter-pounder with cheese in Paris?

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From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net                         24-Sep-99 23:08:16
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: GA for download?: Netscape - Version 4.61 [en] - 990915

From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net

In <37EA4242.7A8EB18F@NOSPAMus.ibm.com>, Michael Kaply
<mkaply@NOSPAMus.ibm.com> writes:
>OK, FYI, boulder put netscape on their fastest server and y'all crashed
>it!
>So they are moving to a server with many times more the capacity.
>That's really the answer.
>

Damn - It's a shame OS/2 is dead ;-)

 
J. Pedone
jpedone@flash.net
http://www.flash.net/~jpedone
 
Run? Nothing runs in Windows. Maybe a brisk walk, but never run.
As easy as 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716

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From: mtve@hal-pc.org                                   24-Sep-99 18:04:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Lotus Smart Suite 1.1  update

From: Marvin Volz <mtve@hal-pc.org>

I remember paying $10 for them to ship the cd.
Sounds like you might have to get through to the right person at Lotus.

MTV


"Richard N. Hinton" wrote:

> I have Lotus .97 for OS2 Smart Suite. Aside from paying $172.00 to Lotus
> for the
> update, is there a cheaper place?
>
> Richard N. Hinton
> rhinton@mediaone.net

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From: sd@NOSPAMvif.com                                  24-Sep-99 22:57:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Two e-mail addresses?

From: Serge Desaulniers <sd@NOSPAMvif.com>

Alan Beagley wrote :
> 
> Is there a way, using NS 4.61, to have two different e-mail addresses
> selected automatically: a "spam-resistant" one that is used when posting
> to Newsgroups, and a "transparent" one that is used for person-t-person
> e-mail?
> 
> Alan Beagley

I am not sure this would be very practical, but you could create a
second profile... One profile for one e-mail address and a second
profile for your other address...

What do you think? Is it worth a try?

-- 
Serge Desaulniers
sd AT vif DOT com
-----------------
To E-mail directly, please remove NOSPAM...

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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               24-Sep-99 19:04:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Two e-mail addresses?

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

I was really hoping for something more automatic than that: to have one "From"
address for mail, and a different one for news.

Alan


Serge Desaulniers wrote:

> Alan Beagley wrote :
> >
> > Is there a way, using NS 4.61, to have two different e-mail addresses
> > selected automatically: a "spam-resistant" one that is used when posting
> > to Newsgroups, and a "transparent" one that is used for person-t-person
> > e-mail?
> >
> > Alan Beagley
>
> I am not sure this would be very practical, but you could create a
> second profile... One profile for one e-mail address and a second
> profile for your other address...
>
> What do you think? Is it worth a try?
>
> --
> Serge Desaulniers
> sd AT vif DOT com
> -----------------
> To E-mail directly, please remove NOSPAM...

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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                24-Sep-99 22:59:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Comm 4.61 GA DnD much better, but still not right

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:33:50, pit@iohk.SPAM-NOT.com (taiQ) wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:32:48, milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao) 
> thought aloud:
> 
> > Noticed one more problem.
> > 
> > DnD to a folder open in details view, doesn't work.
> 
> Darn, you're right. This one's a killer for me since the folders for 
> my URLs and saved html files are both set for Details View.
> 
[snip]
> 
> Oh, one more thing. I used to be able to drag URL objects to the 
> "Location:" field with DragText (and Nav v2.02) but that doesn't work 
> any longer under NC 4.61. Is there a version of DT that might 
> accommodate this?

Yes, the next one :-)  It will let you selectively reenable DT for
windows where the app has disabled it, such as NC's Location window
and the various text fields used in HTML forms.  This will not
alter NC's d&d features but will keep it from squelching DT's.

   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

                |             - DragText v3.1 -
Rich Walsh      |  A Distinctly Different Desktop Enhancement
Ft Myers, FL    |  New!  Pickup & Drop for text, and more...
                |  http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/
___________________________________________________________________

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From: ms371621@mindspring.com                           24-Sep-99 23:26:26
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: PM View 2.0 ?

From: ms371621@mindspring.com

I believe that PMView 2.0 will be released in time for Warpstock Atlanta on
Oct. 16,17.

Sean, who will be on the floor offering demos of OS/2 software.



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