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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          17-Sep-99 22:55:11
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:04
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

And what's the range?

Cheers

Wayne


On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:27:33 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

:>rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) said:
:>>I've got a Russian proggie called Dos Navigator that's one of the
:>>best shells I've ever seen
:>
:>Hm, howitzer?  Mortar?  Artilliary?
:>
:>Jim L
:>Remove XX from address to Email
:>More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.
:>
:>

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Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
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           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
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From: rhodent@ipass.net                                 17-Sep-99 12:28:23
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:04
Subj: Re: Launchpad at lower left corner

From: rhodent@ipass.net (S.D. Rhodes)

> You say you "turn the machine off" but you don't say you're using the OS/2 
> Shutdown process. Shutdown should save the location, but just turning the 
> switch off won't.

Sorry, I should have specified this.  I do use the proper shutdown 
process (unless of course the machine totally locks and I have no 
choice, which is rare but does happen).

> You can force a location change to be saved by closing the Launchpad. Just 
> RMB click on some dead area in it, to popup the context menu, and select 
> "Close" at the bottom. This should lock it into place okay, 

Tried it.  Didn't work.

> Also, under Desktop | Properties | Desktop , make sure the "Save Desktop 
> properties" box is checked.

I assume you mean Desktop | Settings | Desktop, right?  If so, it is 
checked.  


See why this one has me stumped?   :-)


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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                17-Sep-99 08:31:03
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:04
Subj: Re: Strong Encryption Export Rules relaxed?

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> >>     What difficulty? The 128bit is available for download to anyone in
> >> the USA (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).
> 
> >Or already using Fortify.

Just to change the subject a bit... does anyone know the legalities of
IMPORTing encryption technology/programs into the US?  I've read a lot
about the EXPORT problems, and wonder in a twisted sort of way if
importation is legal.

Of course, if it is, it really makes any export restrictions "silly".

Ron

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From: cytan@fnal.gov                                    17-Sep-99 13:53:24
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:04
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problems

From: cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan)

In message <slrn7u322t.p6.possum@pooh.100acrewood> - possum@fred.net (Mike
Trettel) writes:
:>>
:>I finally got it to install using the cid method.  I first had to
:>delete the FI.INI and FI.BAK files in the xx/os2/install directory.  I
:>found this tip on the os2.org web site.  Perhaps this will work for
:>you.  Doing it via the cid install is a lot faster, I must say-the
:>whole thing was done in under 2 minutes.  Good luck.


Nope, been there done that. I found the precheck.cmd errors when I did the
CID install. There must be something wrong with my REXX on both machines.

Here's my *REX* sizes in OS2/DLL

10-28-97   1:00p     97811          49  NAMEREXX.DLL
11-20-98   3:58p     33725           0  OREXUTIL.DLL
11-20-98   3:58p    489013           0  OREXX.DLL
 7-22-96   7:33p     43858           0  OREXXSC.DLL
 7-22-96   7:33p     76878           0  OREXXSOM.DLL
 7-22-96   7:33p      4002           0  OREXXWPS.DLL
 6-14-96  10:45a     49189           0  PMREXXIO.DLL
 4-01-99   2:20p    266031           0  REXX.DLL
 7-23-98   3:54p     29603           0  REXXAPI.DLL
 3-31-97   5:35p     61195           0  REXXCRT.DLL
 8-01-96   1:53p      8360           0  REXXINIT.DLL
11-20-98   3:58p     49229           0  REXXUTIL.DLL


Is this what you have? And is there anything else I should check besides the
FI.INI trick?

Thanks


Cheng-Yang Tan

BTW I have the latest finstall.



:>
:>-- 
:>===========
:>Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net
:>
:>I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.



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From: as@sci.fi                                         16-Sep-99 19:14:05
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
 
> 	I just checked out the site, damn, this sounds great!  The source 
> is even available, so a plea to Netlabs or some other group to port this 
> over to OS/2 (someone else already ported it over to Windows).  

Why would a Java app need porting to anything?

-- 
Anssi Saari - as@sci.fi

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From: rascho@nospam.iname.com                           17-Sep-99 15:34:04
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: What is JIT compiler?

From: "Rade Popovic" <rascho@nospam.iname.com>

Hi

When I start configuration program for TCPIP 4.1 I get this message:
Warning: JIT compiler "xxx;" not found. Will use interpreter.

Output of java -fullversion is this:
[D:\]java -fullversion
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990728 (JIT enabled:
javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-19990728)"

I have installed java 1.1.8 runtime, and nothing else. So my question
is what is JIT compiler and how do I use it? (java -fullversion says
JIT is enabled so I guess I allready have it, right?)

TIA

Rascho

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Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          17-Sep-99 14:19:03
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: Launchpad at lower left corner

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:28:47, rhodent@ipass.net (S.D. Rhodes) a Úcrit dans 
un message:
------------quoting original stumper
On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:57:27, rhodent@ipass.net (S.D. Rhodes) a Úcrit dans 
un message:
 
> Recently my launchpad has started deciding that every time I boot up, it
> should be located at the lower left corner, instead of near the center 
> of the bottom where I prefer it.  Every time I boot, I move it to where 
> I want it to be; every time I turn the machine off and then on again, it
> goes right back to the lower left.  It has only started doing this in 
> recent months (before, it stayed where I left it when I shut it off), 
> and I'm unaware of any changes I have made to the system that could have
> caused this (i.e., I haven't installed any new programs, utilities, or 
> peripherals lately).
> 
> Does anyone know what's causing this, and more importantly, how to fix 
> it?  It's certainly not an insurmountable problem (it takes all of three
> seconds to fix), but it is mildly aggravating.
---------------end quote of original stumper 
> > You say you "turn the machine off" but you don't say you're using the OS/2 

> > Shutdown process. Shutdown should save the location, but just turning the 
> > switch off won't.
> 
> Sorry, I should have specified this.  I do use the proper shutdown 
> process (unless of course the machine totally locks and I have no 
> choice, which is rare but does happen).
> 
> > You can force a location change to be saved by closing the Launchpad. Just 

> > RMB click on some dead area in it, to popup the context menu, and select 
> > "Close" at the bottom. This should lock it into place okay, 
> 
> Tried it.  Didn't work.
> 
> > Also, under Desktop | Properties | Desktop , make sure the "Save Desktop 
> > properties" box is checked.
> 
> I assume you mean Desktop | Settings | Desktop, right?  If so, it is 
> checked.  
> 
> 
> See why this one has me stumped?   :-)

Okay, now that we've got all this established (you're using Warp 3, right?)
we can move on to these steps:

1. Force an Autocheck of your drive(s) on the next reboot by placing a + 
sign in front of the drive letter(s) on the IFS load lines in CONFIG.SYS 
and doing a reboot. This will make sure the EAs are straightened out. (Or 
reboot to floppies and run CHKDSK /F from there. Same thing, 
approximately.)

2. Run CHECKINI /C after that reboot. This is Henk Kelder's INI repair 
utility, available in the WPTOOL package for free download at: 
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html#WPTOOLS

Do that, then reboot, then the other stuff again, then come back with a 
report.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: alex@ckcomputers.com                              17-Sep-99 11:32:22
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: Free internet with OS/2?

From: alex <alex@ckcomputers.com>

Signup NetZero from windowz mashine
Go to Dial up networking and check IP address there
Then setup OS/2 dial up with these info. Works for me

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From: letoured@sover.net                                17-Sep-99 11:51:18
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: letoured@sover.net

 >Add to this decent network setup programs, a more visually appealing
>interface .. <snip>

What is a more visually apealing interface? 

I keep seeing people say this, but I don't see what is missing or what
they want. 


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  16-Sep-99 15:56:05
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: (1/2) Re: dire need of HELP!

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

> In article <37DFD743.FE7F9382@ibm.net>, Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>
wrote:
> >Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> >
> .snip on tale of woe>>

snip my superfluous garbage as well <g>...

> >
> >Speculatively the symptoms are indicative of progressive HDD failure
> >and/or MBR corrupt.
> >Although if W95 is not exhibiting any symptoms(but as it's on C primary
> >and probably physically contigous with MBR it may not for some time<g>)
> >and is presumably on same physical HDD and is relatively close/adjacent
> >to first failing OS/2 partition on what is (proportionately) a much
> >larger overall HDD size than these two partitions combined then I'd look
> >at RAM/L2/CPU in that order..... depending on the feasability of
> >available compatable swaps.
>
> I'm afraid this is a very cogent observation, I'm sorry to
> say.  And now that I think of it (god, I'm a classic
> computer dope) one recent chkdsk.log on the root of my warp4
> partition looked so long to me -- *way* above the usual 24k
> size -- that I actually dug up the IBM utility to read it.
> I thought it had indicated it had fixed things, but maybe I
> was thinking wishfully.

Ok I appreciate you're in "fire fighting" mode at the moment... but when
the "heats" off you should really look at analysing what ever logs you
have to see if you can ascertain whether this is a progressive failure
and when it originated and/or repeated.
Although the newer 32 bit chkdsk reputably is more efficient at
analysing/fixing in a single pass, it hurts not to boot from  another
partition(sorry you havn't got one have you<g>) or OS/2 diskettes and
run this at least once more after an alleged clean run. On previous
versions it was always advisable to do this to ensure  "secondary"
structures were fixed.
You also need to ensure that CHKDSK has had the opportunity to resolve
all "inconsistencies" prior to using Partmagic,HPFS utils etc.....

> >
> >Unfortunately you need to expand a bit more on what diagnostics you have
> >tried?
> >Personally I would :
> >1. temp remove any adapter cards.... and to rack my brains as to when or
> >how long since I replaced my CMOS/BIOS backup battery (a relatively
> >cheap lithium cell or whatever is probably the cheapest pre-req to any
> >other hardware  change and time involved in repeating any/all of
> >following<g>).....   A failing battery can be preceded by random
> >obscure  and apparently unrelated errors such as yours way before a
> >specific 162/163/165 (or your mobo equivalent) POST bios error message
> >is posted....
>
> The box is but two years old, along with the ASUS P2L97.
> The battery *looks* okay, though I know this doesn't mean
> all that much.

Not a lot unless you use the term "look" metaphorically (and not just in
a visual context<g>), and back this statement up with some quantatitive
analysis.... checked terminal voltage(on load) etc.....?
I doubt very much this is in anyway your problem but for the cost of a
couple of bucks and 30 secs to pop it in (fat thumbs/fingers not
withstanding) it makes sense from a PM point of view as dependent on
Power on/off ratio/cycles these sometimes have a varied life from
18months to 5 years!
You will need to diligently record any bios settings deviating from
default to re-configure after. Unless you do it with power on-Which I
don't recommend(but often I don't practise what I preach<g>)!

> >2. Run self test diags for my system board(inc RAM/cache) + HDD,
> >assuming one still has ones original diskettes? or is this the problem?
>
> Don't think diagnotics that came with, but if there were
> they're at the bottom of something, somewhere.  I've managed
> to hang on to the Adaptec driver disks that came with it.
>
> >3. Then any non destructive SCSI adapter tests, ensuring my
> >passive/active termination and SCSI ID's had not mysteriously changed or
> >ribbon cables become loose/damaged or in too close proximity to a
> >RF/power source.....
>
> I switched out my wide SCSI cable this afternoon just to
> check -- no difference.  I doublechecked all the connections
> as well.  I suppose if I can get this fixed easily (and
> cheaply) enough I may resolved to get new cables.
>
> >4. followed by something like PC Checkit to soak test the
> >HDD,adapter,mobo and memory for a few hours.....
>
> If anyone's got a pointer to a shareware source for this I'd
> certainly appreciate it.

It's(PC Checkit) not (legally) shareware but there are other utils
around although I confess I have had no need to search Hobbes and it's
ilk to evaluate any alternatives....  Hopefully others will offer
pointers/recommendations, but if you can't replace your specific PC
model diags from manufacturers website then paying a few bucks(might be
a tad more on reflection<g>) for a generic diag suite appears to be
prudent if, as you intimate in other posts, you prefer to be self
supporting in both s/w support and hardware servicing roles? 
You havn't yet(had time to) posted the Adaptec chipset(you inferred it
was SCSI on mobo?) so it's difficult for me to ascertain what(if any)
adapter diags are built in..... Perhaps others with your mobo can advise
more definitively.

> >5. Re-insert adapters and re-run basic mobo + HDD tests + any adapter
> >tests available(If this passed I'd be tempted to remove adapters and
> >only re-install after OS/2 was up and stable)
>
> It's down to the video card and the modem at this point;
> scsi adaptor is onboard.  Again right now I've only got time
> to formulate a strategy, I'm not going to jump in right away
> -- I'll check the HDs first, because they're looking the
> most suspicious at this point, then I'll pull those cards.

Still not clear (personally) what diags(if any) you have run and thus
how you "qualify" the statement "it's down to video card and
modem"....   but I've probably laboured the point sufficiently to annoy
you already<g>....

> >6. If we got this far successfully then I'd boot from OS2 diskettes and
> >CHKDSK (preferrably the 32bit later version) on OS/2 partitions. Noting
> >any errors I'd then rename any chkdsk.logs....
>
> In fact I had renamed the one on my boot partition when I
> first saw the alarmingly-sized ones, but then the whole
> partition got wiped out.  At this point, chkdsk doesn't even
> recognize the K: drive as a HPFS drive.

So does it say "unrecognised file system" or similar? If so partition
tables are likely hosed or that damn W95 virus has been interfering with
FS type entries in them!
Again (I'm really starting to annoy you now...) you need to do a FDISK
/QUERY and post it here!

> >7. From boot diskettes run Partition Magic preferrably followed by your
> >GLU utils and/or at least FDISK /QUERY
> >8.Depending on results and what Bootmanager you had and any errors
> >pertaining to partition....  I might be tempted to do a FDISK /NEWMBR
> >and re-menu my boot partitions.
>
> This is starting to seem my next step.  Let me ask -- though
> this is one of those things I ought to have known for a
> long, long time: how destructive is FDISK /NEWMBR?  Will it
> simply analyze my boot record and adjust the partitions
> carefully, in a way that I won't have to recreate all the
> data on each of them, or will I have to re-back up all my
> HDs afterward?

Oh hell!  Talk about putting my head on the block! I'm in no
position(unless you want to fund my airfare/hotel) to make any
guarantees that there is not the remotest possibility that the remaining
partitions might not get totally shagged!
That said I've never yet (for what little that's worth) replaced MBR and
found previous partitions now unaccessable. It's only got what 64 bytes
(4 x 16bytes per entry) and I can't see how it could "alter" existing
partition start/end sectors!<g> 
On HPFS replacing MBR is usually most expedient solution when a "boot
sector" virus gets confused on a unrecognised FS type and corrupts the
MBR.
It should only need you to replace the BM menu entries and any "startup"
defaults but that is trivial.....
However if the original MBR/part tables were somehow "skewed" because of
existing (or now other) drive geometry/translation problems then who the
hell can tell?
If you have vital data and are not ABSOLUTELY sure about the integrity
of your backups then I suggest (failing a spare SCSI drive to
temporarily insert) you Laplink the system to your Thinkpad and
transfer/backup all business critical stuff first.

> >
> >- - - - - - - break for coffee (pass on the decaf for once) - - - -
> >and to reflect on any results and the fact that an apparent fault that
> >affects more than one bootable partition can only be partition table
> >corruption or an external common cause that is unlikely to be resolved
> >by further re-installs into existing partitions!
> >One now has to evaluate the feasability of diagnosis by replacement
> >compared to the potentially wasted effort/elapsed time of continuing
> >through 9 -13 below.  Potentially first moving HDD to equivalent PC
> >expediently resolves partiton table corruption and SCSI/HDD error.
>
> Alas, prior components are in a box in a basement 100 miles
> away, but I may be able to get to them in a few days.
>
> I don't suppose there's much chance, in case I do get my
> partitions properly reconstituted, that whatever um, fudged
> my HD might have just been a fleeting anomaly?

I see - Ray the eternal optimist meets Tony the eternal pessimist<g>
Personally I don't believe (completely) in "fleeting" anomalies or
coincidences as once ignored they always inevitable tend to return with 
a savage and vengeful tenacity eventually to "bite you in the bum" at
the most inconvenient and inappropriate moment.....YMMV .....so keep
hold of those rose tinted glasses and the lucky "rabbits foot".....  
<g>
It's not the hardware/software that's the most expensive(although you
might think so) but your DATA and the ability to use the tool to further
your business!
I've no idea what business you're in (and it's none of mine either) but
I'd be surprised if this existing problem (and any potential ones if
it's not resolved correctly) doesn't impact your "profit" line
sufficiently to easily justify several new HDD's if not another PC!
That said it's a little premature to knee-jerk into that mindset as a
convenient solution to your existing problem<g>.

> >Followed by RAM/L2/CPU...... and of course one still has to
> >check/compare all those Bios settings, disk data transfer rates etc even
> >if one has diligently backed up ones previous working settings<g>.
> >However if one does not have the luxury of this comparative technique
> >one may be forced to discard the remnants of ones now stone cold coffee
> >and continue....after further thought as to whether one did actually do
> >a LLF initially when presenting both HDD + SCSI adapter together for the
> >first time all those many moons ago....(but one was persuaded by the
> >"expert" that said it was uneccessary because he'd done it for years
> >through all SCSI/HDD models except coincidentally your exact combination
> >perhaps) ....and besides it's been working ok for ages!(Ha! - servo data
> >drift mumble mumble.... servo writer on edge of it's calibration who
> >knows?) .......    :-(
>
> No, I did it all by the book -- and it's only five months
> ago.  It's a big IBM somethingStar SCSI drive, bought new,
> and I've been using it fairly carefully.  I suppose heat
> buildup is a possibility.

Who's book?(sorry)...  still 5 months might not fall into category of
early life failure and god knows what "using it fairly carefully"
means?(Presumably you havn't played baseball with it or decided to check
if it's G force rating was upto spec on a vibration/shock test rig?).
Can't comment on heat but with with previous experience of IBM drives
you can cook an egg on some of them(over easy? is that correct
Americanism?)...thus the rest of your PC will probably melt first!  
Dammit - we'll be digressing thru thermal dynamics and entropy
next....<vbg>.
Seriously you have to look at spec and monitor your in-case temperature
if you are concerned and/or think that subjectively something feels more
than just quite warm!

IBM are fairly fastidous/ingenious about incorporating a hidden
partition (for want of a better word) which you can't access without
special utilities that gives a lot of diagnostic information (on IDE
drives this is where the Smartdrive predictive failure analysis stuff
comes from and this will soon be available on SCSI once they finish the
PDF front end for SCSI bit).
I remember this on even the old Type 663/664 (3.5 full form factor)
corsair/alleycat drives of 5 years ago and before....
That said some of the interfaces are standardised such that Gammatech
(and others) can access some of this data or at least display "hot
mapping" bad sector details etc.....
Like I said to extract the "tuple" code and diagnostics/stats completely
you might need some expensive utils(outside of Netfinity/Tivoli add-ins)
but ingenious people out there may have some workable alternatives....

> >- - - - - - -return to work via mens room - damn coffee - - - - - - -
> >
> >9. If I got this far then I might find I now have to do a SYSTINSTX  cos
> >partition doesn't boot at all or have FORMAT /L /FS:HPFS   and reloaded
> >from backup if there was evidence of massive corruption or lengthy
> >chkdsk errors...
> >10. If the WPS/Desktop is up and I've bypassed(or remmed) the obvious
> >config errors for adapters I've removed.....then either I'm working and
> >ready to re-insert adapters individually or staring at a now familiar
> >Trap screen.   :-(
> >11. If I've trapped then I diligently note ALL the register details and
> >any hints to failing module.  If it's Trap 3 (breakpoint left by
> >developer in application code) then I'd be looking at specific
> >application(if I could tell) that possibly now has configuration file
> >out of synch.
> >If it's TrapD (pmmerge included) then I'd look again at what
> >diagnostics(if any) I'd run on my video adapter. I'd then revert to VGA
>
> Was the first thing I tried, and the most alarming failure
> of all.

Well again without specific failure details the rest is just
conjecture.....
You alluded somewhere in another post I believe to possibility of
"lightning" strike zapping your original sound card....  I don't know
whether this was purely speculative or circumstantial from observing a

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  16-Sep-99 15:56:05
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: (2/2) Re: dire need of HELP!

"brownout" or "blackout" on the grid during an audible thunderstorm.
You would have to be fairly unlucky (= typically on end of an isolated
lengthy supply feeder) to cop that much damage to your PC.    Much more
likely for inductive spikes on the PTT  line into your modem<g>.
Hopefully the current symptoms are unrelated to this type of common
catastrophic cause and we possibly have  a number of seperate problems(+
GFT = Gross Finger Trouble<g>) here?
If the SCSI was onboard but Video was seperate card, I don't suppose
there was an onboard(but now disabled) video chipset as well? (Again I'm
disadvantaged by not being intimate with your mobo and being too lazy to
look it up<g>).

> >and retry...... along with toggling my H/W detection on bootup(ALT+F1 >
> >F5/6) if this is still failing. I'd look at reverting to my originall
> >Archive install desktop(this should be VGA anyway), and eventually I'd
> >be stripping my config to basics and methodically(but
> >tediously)re-enabling each device/group at a time....
> >12. Finally if I'm still stymied and my maintenance(BOOTOS/2) partition
> >is still exhibiting similar problems then I'd be tempted to re-install a
> >minimal OS2 from CD in my production partition to see what happens.....
> >after rechecking my BIOS settings to ensure that these are defaulted but
> >still commensurate with my hardware yet temporarily disabling
> >L1/L2/Video cache(and removing/exchanging all bar minimum RAM to load
> >OS/2) in case the diags missed the fault....while not forgetting that I
> >might have a PCI SCSI card and ISA Matrox that possibly requires
> >appropriate PnP and legacy resources modified in Bios....<g>
> >13. If I'm still totally disfunctional without any useful guiding
> >failure messages during all the above then I'd append EXPLICITLY here
> >all that I'd done(in exact sequence) with ALL pertinent details of my
> >system configuration(not just a few tantalising but unilaterally
> >useless  and arguably unstructured extracts Mr Tennenbaum!...<g>).
> >
> >I only ever reached unlucky 13. once when I first had V3 RedPak on my

and probably unlucky to keep repeating these boring old war stories so
snipped em...

> >(but I know you have had GT utils once but are now using GLU so I don't
> >suppose there was a GLU(or) equivalent of GTDisk utility to
> >backup/restore partition tables and a chance of having current backups
>
> My backups are fairly decent, but there's no telling whether
> I'll be able to "worst-case" restore all my HD parts., since
> some of them would have been made off of corrupted
> partitions(??).

Hold yer horses - now whose being a pessimist<g>....   if your FS had
partial corruption then in all likelyhood any decent backup utility
(even xcopy I suppose...) would have displayed an error or logged it...?
Assuming it was functional at the time you actually backed up I suppose.
However we don't know what your using (knew I'd get an opportunity to
get that "dig" in again<g>) specifically so it's impossible to tell at
this stage.... (and you may have deleted/disabled error/audit logging
anyway).

> Shortly after I put in this new HD, I used
> Chris Graham's "disaster recovery utility" to back up the
> partition tables, but then again, I'm not quite certain how
> I'd apply these without the ability to boot os/2 (hm, come
> to think of it, maybe I remember a restpart.exe or something
> similar).  For that matter, I may have used Partition Magic
> to move some things around, though I'm generally prudent
> enough to make sure to re-backup the partition tables (is
> there a way to see the date when these were last changed?
> the date on my backup is on the diskette (4/28/99)).

I can't readily locate my copy of GLU to check but it would be rather
imprudent to design a recovery mechanism that doesn't work from a simple
VIO/text/CLI interface(ie a bootable diskette)!....and as regards
dates.....
Other than a sector/hex editor probably not feasible (perhaps there is
partition date in there somewhere but utils like PartMagic don't seem to
display it). The HPFS superblock contains time stamp for last chkdsk but
I don't think a partition table date as such is available/easily
retrievable......or more accurately this dumb SOB can't find it<g>.
The simplest way perhaps is to re-save (after renaming originals) the
partition tables again and do a binary compare. That might give some
crude indication if somethings changed but not in a user friendly way
sufficient to tell you what specifically<g>.

> >if that is eventually determined to be a more likely
> >cause/solution?....   and you have Henks WPS backup on an accessible
> >partition/diskette presumably if the eventual outcome also requires a
> >desktop rebuild? )
> >
> >To write other than a generic(and thus unhelpful non-specific) procedure
> >requires a LOT MORE detail of your system<g>.

Well you've got other things to do so I guess LOTS MORE DETAIL will have
to wait....or until you find a totally clairvoyant poster to resolve the
problem for you<g>.

> Following the above
> >"parrot fashion" without adapting it for your configuration (or
> >understanding what its doing and interpreting results) could result in a
> >lot of unecessary work (and potential impacts if the integrity of your
> >backups is questionable/unknown!).
> >
> >Otherwise we'll be repeatedly inviting you to try(and/or comment on) the
> >obvious:
> >1. What's the specific mobo + h/w details etc
> >2. Partition and HDD type/structure viz FDISK /QUERY detailing any other
> >non/ working OS's(apart from W95/OSV3 already mentioned).
> >3. Type/location of applications wrt to 2.  Ordered by business
> >criticality..... (eg I must retain a WordProc and access to my network
> >server minimum.... followed by email....graphics with SVGA 1600x1200 res
> >at 16M colors.... my data on G: is also on a verified backup but I don't
> >have all my install disks/CD's for apps on F: and/or their
> >configs/customisations backed up....   my largest partition is 6Gb on G:
> >and takes 4 hours to totally restore via my Travan4  etc etc.... )
> >4. What diags/utils/chkdsk/partmagic do you have and results of what you
> >have tried over and above that already posted ..... apparently from your
> >Yamaha(or was it a Guzzi?) somewhere in the Mojave desert?<vbg>
> >
> >....
> >
> >....and if I subsequently found that my probem was caused by faulty RAM
> >that just happened to be non-parity memory then I would tend to become
> >quite sceptical about the claims that "parity" is now a uneccessary
> >expense given modern production yields/quality?
> >But then given my mobo supports it I wouldn't personally fit anything
> >but parity (or ECC if my PC was mission critical - discussions on double
> >bit parity errors uneccessary thanks... or statistical MTBF for
> >non-parity EDO whatever Dimms <g>)
> >Unless of course I had access to be able to readily "swap" memory out
> >somewhere early in steps 1 - 8 above before expending more time than
> >extra cost of parity<g>. ....gotta spare K6-2 cpu.....L2 Cache...etc?
> >Can you swap SCSI/HDD to another similar PC?
> >Trouble is these iterative diagnostic analysis by replacement methods
> >may well be more expedient if we were all in your place and knew the
> >resources you had available and no doubt if they were easily available
> >you would have already done it<g>.
> >
> >Or are we facing some desperate time constraint...panic attack here...?
>
> No, patience I've learned (too well, perhaps, but that's
> another story).  The ThinkPad can tide me over for at least
> a week.  When I get a chance I'm going to see about the
> drives, and then do some diagnosis.
>
> Your very generous and intelligent post

"Intelligent"? Sh*t - you slipped up there..... must have confused me
with someone else...

> is most charitable,
> and it is received with due appreciation for all the battle-
> scarred wisdom with which it was written.  There is a great
> deal to digest here, and once I get this other w*rk out of
> the way, I'll copy your post and it'll form the basis of my
> strategy to work through.  I hope you won't mind if I come
> back with a rephrased sort of outline.

If thats your diplomatic way of saying I waffle far too much and it can
be condensed into 13 lines or less then No of course I don't mind....and
feel free to conserve bandwidth/dasd....<vbg>
However you should look (as I'm sure you are) at all the other posts
and merge all valid suggestions into your "outline".  I suspect a
collaborative effort could produce a far better "basis" for a strategy
tuned to your specific circumstances. 
At the moment I suspect there is a danger/temptation of trying too
many things ad-hoc in an unstructured fashion.......     :-(
If any contradict or need clarification then ask  (I can't see anyone
being offended...but some people/ego's are funny/sensitive...so...).
I'll be first to admit when I'm not sure(like all the time<g>) ..... and
those specifically using your mobo + SCSI + HDD will undoubetdly give
you more authoritative and definitive recommendations than my "woolly"
generalities.

> Thanking you very indeed,

Your most welcome even  if
1. I/We havn't  (yet) progressed a solution.
2. Managed to offend you (yet) for my own amusement (sad.......but I'll
keep trying) <vbg>.
3. You still havn't submitted your homework on the other topic (copying
INI's)....(guess you got overtaken by events)  :-(

Seriously though.....good luck

>

--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

A journey into motorbike memorabilia (although interesting - thanks)
deleted for brevity(?) and just in case any ex-Angels or Mods still have
my name tattooed on their anatomy/"kill lists" as the "gobby limey
greaser" ....<g>
...and Venice beach(Ca) and Brighton(UK) do seem a lot quieter than in
times long past<vbg>


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From: user1@vnet.net                                    17-Sep-99 14:02:15
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: HyperAccess Pro for Os/2 132 col mode

From: "C.J." <user1@vnet.net>

Hi,

I am using HyperAccess Pro for Os/2 and I would like to set it up so
when
I dial in via Modem ortelnet to a UNIX shell and emulating VT100 , get
132 columns.
I have the box check for 132 Column mode, as well as font and character
spacing up far enough to display 132 columns, except when I dial into
UNIX shells I never get 132 columns.  I CAN goto the OS/2 Prompt
and do a text mode telnet and get 132 columns, but not in HyperAccess
pro.

What am I doing wrong?  Is there a bug in the version of HyperAcces
I am using version 7.01?

Thanks.
Please post followup or email
zjms@vnet.net by changing the Z to a C.



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From: mail@-remove-ibexmfg.com                          17-Sep-99 17:33:19
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: Hints for 16bit Opera with OS/2

From: mail@-remove-ibexmfg.com (RCW)

>Put an entry in it like "loopback 127.0.0.1" (without
>the quotes). 

Actually, the format is "127.0.0.1 loopback #optional comment"

Sorry.
RCW

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From: esitea@inficad.com                                17-Sep-99 10:40:25
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: 3 vs. 4

From: Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com>

I'm using W4 (fp11) for everyday use and W3 Connect (fp40) as a emergency
partition.  Each has its ups and downs.  W4 is very stable with fp11 for
me, and so is W3 Connect at fp40.  I never liked the Warpcenter bar, so i
deleted the entry in config.sys which starts it up at boot, and rely on the
LaunchPad in my Startup Folder.

I'm running on PII 400 with 64mb and W4 is just as fast as W3, at least to
my eyes.  It all comes down to whether you like the GUI changes in W4.  For
me, they look fine, a little more flashy than W3.  Okay, so I'm
superficial!  I can live with that.

If current fixpacks are applied, the speed and stability of both systems
seems to be equal.  Most software will run fine on both systems.  There are
some older programs that might not like W4 and some newer apps that
complain about W3, but with the latest fp's, this isn't a real issue.

My $.02, go with Warp4 and turn off the Warpcenter.  Install fp 9 or
higher, and use the LaunchPad.  This way, most of the time, you won't even
notice that you're NOT running Warp3.

Ezra

satkinson@a-znet.com wrote:

> I'm debating whether to run Warp 3 or 4, with a strong prejudice
> towards 3. I prefer it because - in my limited experience - it loads
> and runs faster, and is more in keeping with the notion of an object-
> oriented system. (4's introduction of a Win-95 like bar and menus in
> various windows bothered me...)
>
> On the other hand, my version of 3 does not have out of the box PPP
> support.
>
> So...do the advantages of 4 outweigh the disadvantages I mention above?
> And: is 3 now so outdated that I must use 4 in order to take advantage
> of the last generation of OS/2 programs?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Atkinson
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.



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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             17-Sep-99 12:52:12
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:59:10 +0800, Wayne Bickell wrote:

>:>(It's from Czechoslovakia, so I guess that makes it a Czech-Cacheing 
>:>program?)
>
>Ouch!

Okay, guys. Let's DON'T get that thread started over here in a news
group! (Personally, I'm to Czecken to get into a pun-flinging contest)


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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     17-Sep-99 18:43:28
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 01:08:05
Subj: Re: dire need of HELP!

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:32:38 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

->Unfortunately my system's at a point -- happened around
->yesterday morning -- where I can no longer boot of any of
->the three OS/2 parts. on the HD (3, 4, maint).  I had hoped
->I might be able to run memos off a diskette boot: the first
->time I tried it said it couldn't find NLS, so I tried again
->off the diskette I use to run FC/2 in diskette-boot mode,
->which has three or four dlls -- moucalls, viocall, et al. 
->When I tried running memos2 I got 
->
->SYS0318: Message file OSO001.MSG cannot be found for message
->3175.

That'll be a bug. It's looking for [bootdrive]:\config.sys and not finding
it then crashing nastily. I have a fixed version but all it does is stop
it crashing if it can't find config.sys or  can't find the swappath= line
within it. If you want to bypass the problem you can create a dummy
config.sys on the diskette you're running from and place a swappath= line
in it pointing to a drive containing enough free space for double your
physical memory.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: spock@buffnet.net                                 17-Sep-99 20:23:02
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: no os/2 client

From: spock@buffnet.net

just read on the supersite http://www.os2ss.com under warpcast that ibm
decided against allowing any third party ie Stardock to developed an Os2
client.  IBM said that it would conflict with there strategic planning. 
Oh well it was nice while it lasted
----------------------------------------------------------

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             17-Sep-99 16:05:19
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: Re: Anyone using Abit Dual Celeron B6 with OS/2 WSeB?

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:49:05 +0200 (CDT), Landreth wrote:

>>I'm looking at the Abit Dual Celeron B6 motherboard as a platform for
>>OS/2 Warp Server for e-Business running SMP.  Anyone else tried this
>>board?  Experiences?  At Can$450 for a SMP system including two 400MHz
>>celerons, it is very hard to beat.

I've never used one of ABIT's newer boards, but I HAVE used several of
their socket 7 boards running OS/2 with great success. Their S 7
boards, at least, are an overclocker's dream with no jumpers to set and
all settings available through their "Soft Menu" in the BIOS setup.
Plus, ABIT's manuals have always been, hands down, the best system
board manuals to come with ANY board. Translation from oriental to
english is sometimes a bit shaky but otherwise they're the best. On
their older boards, they contained a section specifically on OS/2. You
might give them a call and ask them if that board supports Aurora SMP.


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             17-Sep-99 16:58:27
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: Re: Need help with corrupt ea

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:16:05 GMT, PL wrote:

> It says it cannot access the
>root on drive d. 

Then it's probably NOT the EAs that are corrupted. It's most likely 'WP
ROOT. SF' which is the culprit. (You DID say this was on a FAT disk
didn't you?) Someone check me on this, but I believe you can delete 'WP
ROOT. SF' from a DOS boot and OS/2 will replace it when you next access
that drive. BTW,  'WP ROOT. SF' is set as hidden on my FAT drives.
You'll need to do a 'ATTRIB -H ' on it before you can delete it. And,
DOS won't touch it if you try to use spaces in it's filename, so
replace the spaces with '?' in all commands from a DOS prompt.


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From: muses9@cyberus.ca                                 18-Sep-99 01:57:24
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: ? possible to "format c: /s" with DOS from A:?

From: muses9@cyberus.ca (Marko)

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:23:18, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
made history by saying:
->    muses9@cyberus.ca (Marko) said:
-> > I've tried it, which is why I asked. The format command dies on trying
-> > to write the boot sector to C:. If you have actually succeeded in  doing
-> > this, I'd sure like to know what you did.
-> 
-> I have found that only IBM's PC-DOS 7 can do this with large partitions.
-> if the partitioning was done with Windoze 9x, NT, or some flavors of Unix,
-> you will need to delete all the partitions and repartition it with FDISK.
-> Only PC-DOS 7 FDISK seems able to remove non-DOS paritions, BTW. 
-> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com

Hi Bob,

Thank you for the information. I am in fact using PCDOS7. Do you mean 
that I just have to delete the partiition in question, or ~all the 
partitions on C:~? That would make this process undesirable, since I 
have Boot Manager, W95, W3.11, and WNT4 on my C:.

--
Marko
Ottawa

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From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net                         18-Sep-99 01:57:26
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net

IIn <37E06E4D.838CAEB4@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
>letoured@sover.net wrote:
>
>> This is really a bummer because if OS2 goes to a third-party -- it means
>> the end of OS2,  simply because there is no vendor I would trust with the
>> capability to suport it properly.
>>
>
>Not to worry, it won't.  Brad's recent message was purposely
>posted to his Stardock news server rather than to any serious
>news source .  He stealthed it there rather than send it to any
>respected news source knowing it would be 'leaked'  to the
>gaggle of OS/2 rumors/news web sites desperate for positive
>OS/2 information during this "pre-Warpstock" period.  It has
>taken days but it has now reached these newsgroups.

Actually -   Given the flak that he recieved last time (i.e the numerous
spam and add threads a few months back), I doubt Brad would have posted
something like this here.  I forwarded the article here from warpcast 
news service.  I did not ask permission to do so but thought it would be 
useful for others who don't subscribe to this news service.
  I see no reason to blast someone for trying to bring a new OS/2 client to 
market - especially for a post that he had nothing to do with!  If you 
would like to flame let's do it in advocacy.
  
>
>I have more faith in our IBM insiders than I do in leaks planted
>by Stardock's owner to Stardock's own news server.
>

Well - I tend to be a glass half full guy and would rather get info 
direct from the horses mouth than through the rumour mill...  When 
the announcement was made I was glad that a firm date was at 
least annouced.  As it turns out - IBM said no to both OEM distribution
as well as IBM distribution.  There will be no new client.
  If you would care to turn this into a fruitful discussion - let's 
discuss ways to develop some open source stuff.  Whatever became of that
thread about a code depository?

 
J. Pedone
jpedone@flash.net
http://www.flash.net/~jpedone
 
Windows Multitask! Formats C: and locks the keyboard at the same time!
Be nice to your enemies, it drives them nuts.



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From: derwin@airmail.net                                17-Sep-99 21:31:13
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Luc Van Bogaert wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:13:02 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> >Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Why don't you come to Warpstock? You now you've been invited.
> 
> Luc Van Bogaert
>   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
>     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2 event of 
the year

Why bother... OS/2 died today.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                17-Sep-99 21:37:07
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

spock@buffnet.net wrote:
> 
> just read on the supersite http://www.os2ss.com under warpcast that ibm
> decided against allowing any third party ie Stardock to developed an Os2
> client.  IBM said that it would conflict with there strategic planning.
> Oh well it was nice while it lasted
> ----------------------------------------------------------

Their stragegic planning is obviously to kill the client.  What
they did today was tantamount to pulling the plug of the life
support system for a product that has been brain-dead for some time
anyway.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               17-Sep-99 19:50:16
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Dale Erwin wrote:

> Luc Van Bogaert wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:13:02 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > >Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > Why don't you come to Warpstock? You now you've been invited.
> >
> > Luc Van Bogaert
> >   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
> >     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2 event
of the year
>
> Why bother... OS/2 died today.
> --
> Dale Erwin
> 3624 Coral Gables Drive
> Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> (214)893-8738

OS/2 did not die today.  Stardock's desire to provide
a Stardock version of Warp 5 died - as it should have.

OS/2 belongs to IBM.  They will release a Warp 5 when
something in the marketplace comes close to matching
OS/2's stability, power and quality.  Nothing Microsoft has
issued or offered to date comes near OS/2.

It has been obvious for months now that Stardock would
never be able to provide their own Stardock version of OS/2.
It has also been obvious since last November that Stardock
has used this "we want to bring you a Stardock Warp 5
product" hype as a Stardock PR vehicle.  IBM has rightly
said no to Brad Wardell.

Stardock  made their fortune from a few OS/2 products.
Today they develop applications only for the Microsoft
operating systems.  Stardock continues to sell their faded
OS/2 products to fund their Windows software development
rather than do as other OS/2 software vendors have done
with class and style and release their OS/2 products for
free download.

Stardock can now publicly cry 'whoa is us, IBM says no'
and can officially move off to Microsoft.   We can only hope
they do that sooner than later and stop dragging their feet
for sympathy (and publicity) from the OS/2 community.

Best of luck to them.  OS/2 is alive, well and still doing the
job it was designed to do.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"



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From: brobbin2@rochester.rr.com                         17-Sep-99 20:19:10
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: Britton Robbins <brobbin2@rochester.rr.com>

So what!

I personally am glad that IBM did not license out OS/2.
It's fine if people like the Stardock products but I, for one, prefer the
simplicity
of the standard Workplace Shell on Warp4.  If Stardock got ahold of OS/2 then
we
would probably end up forced to use their desktop.

Just because IBM doesn't want to lose control of OS/2 does not mean that OS/2
is
dead.  You people read FAR too much into this.

I just read an article from the same ZDNet that some other person was quoting
"OS/2's dead" articles dating back to 1997.   The article I read was dated
September
2, 1999 by Esther Schindler titled "Shhh!, OS/2 is selling better than
expected"

Sure doesn't dound dead to me.

Britton


Dan Casey wrote:

> Well, like it or not, here's the scoop from Brad:
>
> From:
>            "Brad Wardell" <bwardell@stardock.com>
>             Newsgroups:
>                        stardock.os2
>
> In 1998, Stardock took the position that if IBM had no current or projected
> plans for a new fat OS/2 client, that it was in the interests of OS/2 users
> and the computing community in general that a third-party should work with
> IBM to license OS/2 technology on an OEM basis and make a new client
> available.
>
> To that end, late last year, Stardock prepared a business plan and opened
> negotiations with IBM. The wheels of bureacracy grind slowly, but eventually
> it was up to "IBM" (executive level) to make the ultimate call on
> proceeding.
>
> For the past 6 months, Stardock and IBM have been working closely together
> in hammering out the details of an OS/2 client.  Everything from potential
> names down to which minute components would or would not be included.  These
> meetings included multiple in-person meetings with IBM staff and executives
> here at Stardock's office complex in Livonia Michigan.
>
> With an agreement in principle in place, the last major hurdle was this week
> in which the IBMers in favor of our proposal (mostly in Austin) presented
> their case to IBM as a whole.
>
> The call has been made -- there will be no new client from Stardock and IBM
> has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2-based client of their own.
>
> Though IBM indicated Stardock had the strongest proposal, they have decided
> that it is currently not in IBM's or their customer's interests to license
> any current OS/2 technology on an OEM-basis.
>
> There was never any discord between IBM and Stardock over financials,
> technical viability, target market, or the like.  IBM has simply finally
> made the decision that a new OS/2 client would be in conflict with their
> strategic directions.
>
> Stardock would like to extend a special thanks to all the IBMers (and in
> particular Ken Christopher and Timothy Sipples) who went above and beyond
> the call in working with us and going to bat inside IBM.  Remember when you
> meet folks like them, who are and have been intimately involved with OS/2,
> that their hands may be just as tied as yours when the IBM Corporation as a
> whole sets policy.
>
> Everything that could be done was done.
>
> Brad
>
> ---
> Brad Wardell
> Product Manager: Object Desktop & The Corporate Machine
> http://www.stardock.com
>
>
===============================================================================
=
>
> --
> **************************************************************
> *  Dan Casey                                                 *
> *  President                                                 *
> *  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
> *  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
> *  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
> *  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
> *  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
> *  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
> **************************************************************
> *  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
> **************************************************************

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    18-Sep-99 03:20:11
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Britton Robbins (brobbin2@rochester.rr.com) wrote:

: So what!

	I'm sort of split on the IBM decision.  I would've like to have 
seen someone do it.  But I can understand IBM's point of view of it, too.

: I personally am glad that IBM did not license out OS/2.
: It's fine if people like the Stardock products but I, for one, prefer the
: simplicity of the standard Workplace Shell on Warp4.  If Stardock got 
: ahold of OS/2 then we would probably end up forced to use their desktop.

	Hate to inform you that Brad had already stated in the past quite 
a few times that if IBM had allowed Stardock to market the client that if 
anything he would cut the existing bloat.  No Object Desktop bundling, in 
otherwords.

: Just because IBM doesn't want to lose control of OS/2 does not mean that
: OS/2 is dead.  You people read FAR too much into this.

: I just read an article from the same ZDNet that some other person was
: quoting "OS/2's dead" articles dating back to 1997.  The article I 
: read was dated September 2, 1999 by Esther Schindler titled "Shhh!, 
: OS/2 is selling better than expected"

	OS/2 is still successful for IBM.  Unfortunately, that doesn't 
mean much for some of us.  If anything, I think a few people are reading 
too much into OS/2's success.  I mean, OS/2 makes money for IBM and IBM 
only.  I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing Corel porting their 
WordPerfect suite over to OS/2.  I don't see RealPlayer for OS/2.  I 
don't see Civilization being ported over to OS/2.  In fact, if anything 
we're losing ISV's.  Innoval and TrueSpectra are the two latest 
casualties and here's the thing, IBM isn't doing much to help.  As long 
as OS/2 remains a minor niche role for IBM, I fear we will lose more and 
more OS/2 ISV's.  The lousy thing about all of this is that we are not 
losing ISV's due to a bad operating system, on the contrary OS/2 is a 
very operating system, the problem is OS/2's image and IBM hasn't done 
much to change this.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           17-Sep-99 07:07:28
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <L8W8d0hqkiHX-pn2-Fmi9UtrEod0Y@localhost>, on 09/16/99 at 12:15 PM,
   glennth@<nospam>senet.com.au (Glenn Thompson) said:

> -> > I remember that a while ago somebody came up with a technique to
> make the -> > OS/2 4.0 45-day trial version that IBM gave away into the
> full -> > version.
> -> 
> -> I remember how, but it only sticks in my mind because I was amazed
> that IBM -> made it so simple to defeat. Self-evident, even.

> 'scuse my ignorance, but TRIAL version !?!

I think the slimeball thief who started this sad thread somehow got hold
of the upgrade version of Warp 4 which is what those with Warp 3 received.
Unlike the OEM versions of Windoze which will only install on systems
which already have an earlier version installed, the upgrade version of
Warp 4 must find another version of Warp somewhere on the system or it
will not install.

Those of us who paid for our operating systems have long since known how
to get around this for legitimate reasons. We sure as hell don't have to
help thieves or wannabe thieves.

FWIW, upgrade versions of PC-DOS must find earlier versions of PC-DOS in
order to install.

--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: derwin@airmail.net                                17-Sep-99 23:12:08
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> > Luc Van Bogaert wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:13:02 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > >Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.
> > >
> > > Tim,
> > >
> > > Why don't you come to Warpstock? You now you've been invited.
> > >
> > > Luc Van Bogaert
> > >   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
> > >     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2
event of the year
> >
> > Why bother... OS/2 died today.
> > --
> > Dale Erwin
> > 3624 Coral Gables Drive
> > Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> > (214)893-8738
> 
> OS/2 did not die today.  Stardock's desire to provide
> a Stardock version of Warp 5 died - as it should have.
> 
> OS/2 belongs to IBM.  They will release a Warp 5 when
> something in the marketplace comes close to matching
> OS/2's stability, power and quality.  Nothing Microsoft has
> issued or offered to date comes near OS/2.
> 
> It has been obvious for months now that Stardock would
> never be able to provide their own Stardock version of OS/2.
> It has also been obvious since last November that Stardock
> has used this "we want to bring you a Stardock Warp 5
> product" hype as a Stardock PR vehicle.  IBM has rightly
> said no to Brad Wardell.
> 
> Stardock  made their fortune from a few OS/2 products.
> Today they develop applications only for the Microsoft
> operating systems.  Stardock continues to sell their faded
> OS/2 products to fund their Windows software development
> rather than do as other OS/2 software vendors have done
> with class and style and release their OS/2 products for
> free download.
> 
> Stardock can now publicly cry 'whoa is us, IBM says no'
> and can officially move off to Microsoft.   We can only hope
> they do that sooner than later and stop dragging their feet
> for sympathy (and publicity) from the OS/2 community.
> 
> Best of luck to them.  OS/2 is alive, well and still doing the
> job it was designed to do.
> 
> Tim Martin
> The OS/2 Guy
> Warp City
> http://warpcity.com
> "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

Oh Christ!  My worst fears have been realized.  The part I dreaded most
about IBM nixing a Stardock client was having to listen to this a**hole
crowing and gloating over it. 
-- 
Dale Erwin

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From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com                            18-Sep-99 04:55:00
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:31:26, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> 
> Why bother... OS/2 died today.
> -- 
What? Again?!? ;-)

Lee W. Riemenschneider 
Die Hard Purdue Fan!
OS/2 User and Supporter 

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From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com                            18-Sep-99 05:04:08
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:37:15, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> Their stragegic planning is obviously to kill the client.  What
> they did today was tantamount to pulling the plug of the life
> support system for a product that has been brain-dead for some time
> anyway.

OS/2 brain dead for some time?  What does that make Windows then? :-)

IBM hasn't said anything about canceling support for OS/2.

Lee W. Riemenschneider 
Die Hard Purdue Fan!
OS/2 User and Supporter 

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From: verysoft@wr.com.au                                18-Sep-99 04:00:08
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: CHKDSK a locked disk HOWTO - was "Lost mb's"

From: verysoft@wr.com.au (Max)

Just a quick thanks to the group and to everybody coming forward with
suggestions, many via e-mail.
My drive is fully restored now, and i want to post this article ,
because there are are many lost souls out there not knowing how to
chkdsk a locked disk, as I found out when combing through deja news
for hours. 
 As we all know :) you have to have chkdsk on another drive than the
one that you check, wich if it is your boot drive is always locked.
This is completely normal, just the msg seems not very explicit.
150 kill utiliies later i found that out.

Than, if you have a HPFS-partion you also need to copy the file
UHPFS.DLL onto your floppy. Chkdsk does not report that it can't find
the file, it only reports: HPFS-Filesystem started   and than
terminates.

Since it took me roughly a day to find and figure that all out, I hope
I save some frustration to somebody else, thats why I changed the
title, so your search might find it easier. 

		have a nice day: Max

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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         18-Sep-99 05:15:16
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:07:57 -0400, Bob Germer wrote:

>I think the slimeball thief who started this sad thread somehow got hold
>of the upgrade version of Warp 4 which is what those with Warp 3 received.
>Unlike the OEM versions of Windoze which will only install on systems
>which already have an earlier version installed, the upgrade version of
>Warp 4 must find another version of Warp somewhere on the system or it
>will not install.

Bob, IIRC there was a trial version of OS/2 that had a 45-day time limit, but
I thought it was v3.0, not 4. There were a number of schemes around to break
the time limit, the easiest of which was to apply a FP.

Wasn't this the freebie/demo that was bundled with a computer magazine in
Europe?




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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 17-Sep-99 23:44:14
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: About os/2 OR win98...

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Dave M" <david@cindy-crawford.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>YoooP!
>
>Can i ask you guys a serious q? I'm interested in os2, and i think i could
>really like it, but, i've heard the stranges this about it. If anyone
>bothers to answer, i might join the small? group of users...
>* os2 can't play mp3 files...

There are at least two MP3 players for Warp, and one of them (PM123)
can also use Winamp skins.  :-)

>* it can not use IRports.

What's that?

>* it's slower then w98 when sufting the web.

Not when using Lynx.  <grin>

>* it's a pain in the ** to install

This varies with experience and specific hardware.

>* there are about 3 applications for it...

Besides StarOffice, Netscape Communicator, and a graphics program, what
applications do you need?  :-)

>* IBM doesn't develop it. Everyone says it's dead.

The former is true.  But they release FixPaks and sometimes put new
features in those.  The latter isn't all that relevant -- it's been
"dead" since the early 90's according to the press.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat...

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 17-Sep-99 23:42:16
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: 3 vs. 4

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Jan Danielsson"
<Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com> spake unto us, saying:

>Well.. Warp4 is nearly unuseable without fixpaks, so you're not going
>to be able to use it 'out of the box'.

Strange that folks say this in a general way -- Warp 4 is installed on
two PPros here (no FixPaks yet), and I've been running one of them that
way every day since Warp 4 was first released.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                Politically *Incorrect* and proud of it!!!

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 17-Sep-99 23:49:29
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>I think the slimeball thief who started this sad thread somehow got hold
>of the upgrade version of Warp 4 which is what those with Warp 3 received.
>Unlike the OEM versions of Windoze which will only install on systems
>which already have an earlier version installed, the upgrade version of
>Warp 4 must find another version of Warp somewhere on the system or it
>will not install.

The upgrade version of Warp 4 is exactly the same as the non-upgrade
version of Warp 4.  I have one of each here, and the only difference I
found between the two was the printing on the box.

Warp 3 did have a sniffer, however.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                    Don't confuse me with facts.  :-)

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 17-Sep-99 23:53:29
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: Orb works under OS/2!

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Richard M. Dunham" <r.dunham@onsemi.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Just wanted to let you know that I recently purchased an Orb SCSI
>external drive and it is working well under OS/2 using Fixpak 11
>and the updated device drivers fixpak.

What do you think of the drive?  And has an internal SCSI model been
released yet?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
               I'm flexible..just don't change anything.

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From: stonehnge@my-deja.com                             18-Sep-99 05:27:20
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: ? possible to "format c: /s" with DOS from A:?

From: Rick Davis <stonehnge@my-deja.com>

HI group!
I thought this was an OS2 group...;-} Shows you haw observant I am.

To reformat a hard drive (for DOS) - you will need either a bootable
floppy or a floppy with the following files on it:
IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, SYS.EXE, COMMAND.COM, And FORMAT.EXE
(the IBM counterparts are necessary if your are formatting for PC-DOS
:-])
the syntax is: (from the floppy drive - doesn't matter which one if 2
exist)

Format C: [return]
after the formatting  is complete: a new command:
SYS C:

This will transfer the system files to C:

Alternatively for a hard drive that has lost it's system files (do-do
happens!)  This restores the hidden system files
it helps to have a Boot Diskette you can create one from another floppy
that has the above files - you need also ATTRIB.EXE

attrib IO.SYS +r +s +h
attrib MSDOS.SYS +r +s +h

Now you have a boot diskette. The versions must agree!
SYS c: transfers the system files to the C: partition

Of course you can use the command FORMAT C: /s to accomplish the same
thing - but when you format a drive you lose data that is present

As for FDISK. FOR MS-DOS (sorry, that's the one I have) the limit is 2GB
per partition because it is a 16-bit file system and the highest number
in a 2^16 array is 65536 and at 512k per this is appx 2.1GB [largest
partition].IMHO -and experience- any partitions (DOS or not) can be
removed with v.6.x not sure about 5.x - you do have to do it in reverse
order - a non-dos partition can be removed.  Alternately, you can use
System Commander and remove anything - and not have to know what you are
doing. you can also add partitions if you like.  You will need a small
DOS partition to use this.

As for PC-DOS 7 - I have no experience.

rick davis
WFW/WARP4-FP10 {separate primaries)

In article <2wXhN2lSy6=grNR97VD4egviU6XV@news.kraftwerk.net>,
  Remove silverware to reply wrote:
> Bob Germer [] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
> » Only PC-DOS 7 FDISK seems able to remove non-DOS paritions, BTW.
>
> Tip (for they who don't have access to DOS-7):
>
> A good utility that so far has been able to remove all type of
partitions for
> me has been the DOS tool delpart.exe from MS (try FTP search on the
file name
> or get it from my badly updated http://home2.sbbs2.com/mn/start page).
>
> Has zapped everything I tried in a second!
>
> Best regards,
>
> m a r t i n | n
>
> --
> Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W
E R K :-)
> CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @
450 MHz
> d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw
>


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               17-Sep-99 23:15:10
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Dale Erwin wrote:

> Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > Dale Erwin wrote:
> >
> > > Luc Van Bogaert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:13:02 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.
> > > >
> > > > Tim,
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you come to Warpstock? You now you've been invited.
> > > >
> > > > Luc Van Bogaert
> > > >   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
> > > >     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2
event of the year
> > >
> > > Why bother... OS/2 died today.
> > > --
> > > Dale Erwin
> > > 3624 Coral Gables Drive
> > > Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> > > (214)893-8738
> >
> > OS/2 did not die today.  Stardock's desire to provide
> > a Stardock version of Warp 5 died - as it should have.
> >
> > OS/2 belongs to IBM.  They will release a Warp 5 when
> > something in the marketplace comes close to matching
> > OS/2's stability, power and quality.  Nothing Microsoft has
> > issued or offered to date comes near OS/2.
> >
> > It has been obvious for months now that Stardock would
> > never be able to provide their own Stardock version of OS/2.
> > It has also been obvious since last November that Stardock
> > has used this "we want to bring you a Stardock Warp 5
> > product" hype as a Stardock PR vehicle.  IBM has rightly
> > said no to Brad Wardell.
> >
> > Stardock  made their fortune from a few OS/2 products.
> > Today they develop applications only for the Microsoft
> > operating systems.  Stardock continues to sell their faded
> > OS/2 products to fund their Windows software development
> > rather than do as other OS/2 software vendors have done
> > with class and style and release their OS/2 products for
> > free download.
> >
> > Stardock can now publicly cry 'whoa is us, IBM says no'
> > and can officially move off to Microsoft.   We can only hope
> > they do that sooner than later and stop dragging their feet
> > for sympathy (and publicity) from the OS/2 community.
> >
> > Best of luck to them.  OS/2 is alive, well and still doing the
> > job it was designed to do.
> >
> > Tim Martin
> > The OS/2 Guy
> > Warp City
> > http://warpcity.com
> > "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
>
> Oh Christ!  My worst fears have been realized.  The part I dreaded most
> about IBM nixing a Stardock client was having to listen to this a**hole
> crowing and gloating over it.
> --
> Dale Erwin

Live with it fool.  This is Stardock's biggest goof and you've
been standing behind them all the way, nudging them on,
applauding their campaign.  Now Stardock will chase away
more OS/2 users than any one entity.  But maybe that's just
what they wanted.  After all, they're now developing software
for Microsoft operating systems - not OS/2.  And you've been
helping them to achieve their understated goal: move their OS/2
customers over to Microsoft where Brad can make the money
he needs to stay a millionaire.

Maybe Brad will give you a free ride for all that great support.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"



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From: jwlarson@jvlnet.com                               18-Sep-99 10:21:20
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: jwlarson@jvlnet.com (Jim Larson)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:19:20, Britton Robbins 
<brobbin2@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> Just because IBM doesn't want to lose control of OS/2 does not mean that > > 
OS/2 is dead.

Yup, a little black smoke coming from the chimney of the Sistine 
Chapel (as one of the parties involved may analogize the situation) 
does not mean there won't be white smoke someday.

Jim Larson

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From: letoured@sover.net                                18-Sep-99 02:47:10
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: letoured@sover.net

>Why bother... OS/2 died today.

Hows that?

I for one would not buy a Warp 5 from Stardock. Frankly, they have never
done anything that ever provided any indication they understood the
customer or wanted to. 

With IBM I know the critical reasons for using OS2 in the first place,
such as system and data integrity, will continue to be a concern to the
designers.   --The history of Stardock would never allow me to think that.
Not to mention the simple fact that Stardock has never had the caability
of maintaining a system as complex as OS2. 

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: ke6isf@mindspringantispamburger.com               18-Sep-99 07:04:24
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Driver for DTC3153?

From: ke6isf@mindspringantispamburger.com (Dennis Carr)

Trying to find a driver for this card, or the installation-included 
equivalent for a workaround.  This card comes with the Relisys Avec 
Colour Office 2400 scanner, a SCSI scanner. Any ideas?

TIA,

-Dennis Carr

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From: williamd1@ibm.net                                 18-Sep-99 07:12:01
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Warp 3 "Make New Folder"?

From: williamd1@ibm.net (williamd1)

How can I create directories & subdirectories within Warp 3? So far
the only option I have found is to MOVE an existing program, specify a
new directory, and allow it to be created. This doesn't always
suffice, however. For instance, when dl from the web it is necessary
to use an existing folder, then move to create the desired one later.
Surely there is an easier way, but I've yet to find it.

Bill

__
williamd1@ibm.net	

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    18-Sep-99 10:48:05
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:06
Subj: Re: Warp 3 "Make New Folder"?

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:12:03, williamd1@ibm.net (williamd1) wrote:

> How can I create directories & subdirectories within Warp 3?

One nice way is to create a little command file to create a folder. 
This is quicker than opening the Templates folder and dragging.

BUT....the important part is to add that command to a menu - I have it
on the desktop menu. So, I right click and select the menu item and 
there's a new folder! Actually, I have a New drop-down on the desktop 
menu; I have a script for program objects too.

Here's the folder script; not mine....

---------------------------------------------------
/* REXX instructions to create a new folder object on the WPShell */
/* Written by Paul Serice serice@sprynet.com (if you have any 
problems) */

/* First, you need to extend the basic REXX function calls to include 
the one you need */
/* However, the function you want may already be loaded. */

HadToAdd=0
IF RxFuncQuery("SysCreateObject")  /* returns TRUE if NOT registered 
*/
   THEN DO
      call RxFuncAdd "SysCreateObject","RexxUtil","SysCreateObject"
      HadToAdd=1
    END

count=1
name="New Folder Object"
done=0

DO UNTIL done
  CALL SysCreateObject "WPFolder",name,"<WP_DESKTOP>","ALWAYSSORT=YES"
  IF result=0 THEN  /* apparently, "result" is a built in variable (?)
*/
     DO
        name="New Folder Object:"||count
        count=count+1
     END
  ELSE done=1
END

IF HadToAdd THEN call RxFuncDrop("SysCreateObject")

--------------------------------------------------

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: fmesnier@dial.oleane.com                          18-Sep-99 12:58:00
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:06
Subj: Max size for an hpfs partition ?

From: Franck Mesnier <fmesnier@dial.oleane.com>

Hi

The question is in the tittle...

Thanks

-----------------------------------
From the OS/2 WARP v4 fp10
Desktop of Franck MESNIER
34140 LOUPIAN
FRANCE
fmesnier@dial.oleane.com
ICQ : 26368765
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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             18-Sep-99 13:26:14
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:06
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problems

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:11:40, cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan) wrote:

> I can't even get Java 1.1.8 to install on 2 different machines!
> My problem seems to be with rexx on precheck.cmd from the distribution
> which gives the following error:
> 
> SYS1041: The name 1 is not recognized as an
> internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
>     23 *-*   ReadSysLevel('e:\os2\install\syslevel.os2');
> 

I can explain a little of what is happening here which might help you
to find a solution. I can not explain however why I was able to install
v1.1.8 preview and then the GA. The only problem I had was the need
to delete FI.INI and FI.BAK.

The following addition was made to the precheck.cmd file for v 1.1.8:-

----------------------------------------------------------------
/* Variables for Java Version
*/
ver=11
modify=8
bootdrive = RexxInstResolveVariables(objectid,"{BootDrive}",0)
ReadSysLevel(bootdrive"\os2\install\syslevel.os2")
if st.bSysVersion < 4 then warp=3
else warp=4
call RexxInstSetVariable objectid,"Java11","Warp",warp
----------------------------------------------------------------

What you are seeing is that ReadSysLevel returns a value of '1'.
REXX is unable to execute the command/subroutine '1' and so
it passes it to CMD.EXE which also tries to find and execute '1'.
It fails and gives the error SYS1041.

Looking at the code it does not seem to need the return code so you
might try changing that line as follows:-

call ReadSysLevel(bootdrive"\os2\install\syslevel.os2")
or
rc = ReadSysLevel(bootdrive"\os2\install\syslevel.os2")

which will stop REXX passing it to CMD.EXE. It might work, but I
suspect your problems started before precheck was run since it
executed here without this error.

What does the precheck line in \os2\install\current.log say?

Since I did not see your earlier posts, could you tell us a bit more
about your current setup and also what you have already tried.

-- 
Dave

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           18-Sep-99 08:10:09
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:06
Subj: Re: ? possible to "format c: /s" with DOS from A:?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <QLLC0h0LvdvF-pn2-dDJmyhDrLqG2@localhost>, on 09/18/99 at 01:57 AM,
   muses9@cyberus.ca (Marko) said:

> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:23:18, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>  made
> history by saying:
> ->    muses9@cyberus.ca (Marko) said:
> -> > I've tried it, which is why I asked. The format command dies on
> trying -> > to write the boot sector to C:. If you have actually
> succeeded in  doing -> > this, I'd sure like to know what you did.
> -> 
> -> I have found that only IBM's PC-DOS 7 can do this with large
> partitions. -> if the partitioning was done with Windoze 9x, NT, or some
> flavors of Unix, -> you will need to delete all the partitions and
> repartition it with FDISK. -> Only PC-DOS 7 FDISK seems able to remove
> non-DOS paritions, BTW.  -> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail:
> bobg@Pics.com

> Hi Bob,

> Thank you for the information. I am in fact using PCDOS7. Do you mean 
> that I just have to delete the partiition in question, or ~all the 
> partitions on C:~? That would make this process undesirable, since I 
> have Boot Manager, W95, W3.11, and WNT4 on my C:.

First of all, I didn't read the subject carefully enough. One must BOOT
DOS to put DOS on Drive C. One cannot do it from a DOS from Drive A
session in OS/2 if memory serves.

If, indeed, the C partition has a proper setup and is not FAT32 or some
such, then booting the machine from floppy and formatting will work. If
memory serves, FDISK can delete a primary partition without deleting
extended partitions. I haven't tried it for eons, however.

Moreover, I would never attempt it unless I had a verified backup of the
entire hard disk on tape first.


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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                18-Sep-99 09:21:06
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:06
Subj: Max size for an hpfs partition ?

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello fmesnier@dial.oleane.com.

18 Sep 99 12:58, you wrote to All:


 f> Hi

 f> The question is in the tittle...

I have a 17 gig partition formatted to HPFS, with no problem

I thought the I read somewhere that the largest HPFS could
 accommodate was in the 2 terrabyte range


Derek


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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                18-Sep-99 15:19:12
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:06
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:07:57 -0400, Bob Germer wrote:
>I think the slimeball thief who started this sad thread somehow got hold
>of the upgrade version of Warp 4 which is what those with Warp 3 received.
>Unlike the OEM versions of Windoze which will only install on systems
>which already have an earlier version installed, the upgrade version of
>Warp 4 must find another version of Warp somewhere on the system or it
>will not install.

Sorry but now I'm confused too.  The upgrade version of Warp 4,
unless we're speaking of different products, differed from the full
version only in the packaging and had no sniffer whatsoever, right? 
That's what I've got on my PC and it'll theoretically load right up
on a freshly-formatted disk (in practice of course it won't load on
most modern PCs because the drivers are older than IBM's board
members and won't support normal-sized IDE disks out of the box etc.
etc.).  So was there another upgrade version in addition to the trial
version the original poster apparently has?  

>Those of us who paid for our operating systems have long since {SNIP...}

...{XL's comment}...regretted it, in light of IBM's posture, but I
was happy back then and would be interested if anyone can clarify
this upgrade vs. trial Warp 4 mini-issue.  Thanks!

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           18-Sep-99 08:22:13
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:06
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <toevggbaoevggbaqufbet.fi8gxv0.pminews@24.2.10.79>, on 09/18/99 at
05:15 AM,
   "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org> said:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:07:57 -0400, Bob Germer wrote:

> >I think the slimeball thief who started this sad thread somehow got hold
> >of the upgrade version of Warp 4 which is what those with Warp 3 received.
> >Unlike the OEM versions of Windoze which will only install on systems
> >which already have an earlier version installed, the upgrade version of
> >Warp 4 must find another version of Warp somewhere on the system or it
> >will not install.

> Bob, IIRC there was a trial version of OS/2 that had a 45-day time
> limit, but I thought it was v3.0, not 4. There were a number of schemes
> around to break the time limit, the easiest of which was to apply a FP.

> Wasn't this the freebie/demo that was bundled with a computer magazine
> in Europe?

I never saw it and don't remember reading about it in the limited groups
around usenet in the Warp 3 days. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, of
course. However, I don't see to many European Computer mags at my local
newstand. <G>




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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: ktkelvin@yahoo.com                                18-Sep-99 23:12:12
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: Re: Reinstalling Win95 with OS2

From: Kelvin Tsang <ktkelvin@yahoo.com>

In case the 'corruption' affects only the Win95 system,
not the partition, do the following :

1.    Bootup the DOS (the primary C:)
2.    Run the Win95 setup and install as normal
3.    After completion, reboot and run fdisk from Win95
       and mark the Boot Manager partition as active.

The installation of Win95 won't delete the BM, but it
will prevent the machine to bootup with it, so you have
to re-activate it.

Kelvin
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#-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-#
Hong Kong OS/2 User Group
http://www.os2.org.hk
news://www.freeforum.org/comp.os.os2

Psion Fan Club - Hong Kong
http://
news://www.freeforum.org/comp.pda.psion
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"A. Willard Reese" wrote:

> I have Win311 on a primary (C) Dos partition and Win95 on a primary
> (C) partition on the same hard drive.
> D partition is a logical Dos partition.
> E (OS2 Warp 4.0) is an HPFS partition.
> I am using OS2 Boot Manager which is the first partition on the
> physical drive.
>
> My problem is that Win 95 has become corrupted (not unexpected) and I
> must do a reinstall of Win95 from the cdrom.  I don't exactally
> remember how I first set this up and how it affected Boot Manager.  If
> I proceed with a normal Win 95 installation will it delete Boot
> Manager?  How do I then reinstall Boot Manager?  Will it automatically
> install in the primary C drive which presently contains Win95?  Am I
> apt to loose my Win 311 primary partition?
> I guess the question is "how do I proceed to reinstall Win95 (ugh)
> without affecting any of the other partitions (including boot manager)
> and especially OS2"?
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Willard

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      18-Sep-99 16:44:08
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: Re: ? possible to "format c: /s" with DOS from A:?

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Rick Davis [Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.] ->
comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ I thought this was an OS2 group...;-} Shows you haw observant I am.

I'm well aware that delpart.exe is a DOS util, but it's great to use on
systems you need to remove HPFS, NTFS, ext2fs, or other such partitions.

Which was my whole point with the tip of using it (not how to install DOS).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: rascho@nospam.iname.com                           18-Sep-99 16:40:12
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: Re: 3 vs. 4

From: "Rade Popovic" <rascho@nospam.iname.com>

On 15 Sep 1999 23:22:53 GMT, Ian Johnston wrote:

>Will Honea (will.honea@wcom.com) wrote:
>
>: Wanna bet on that?  4.61b2 is on the adjacent (busy) os/2 machine as I
>: type - along w/java 1.1.8.
>
>As per previous post, NS4.04 refused to install when I had W3.
>
>Ian

NS4.04beta, NS4.04GA, NS4.61b1, NS4.61b2 all installed fine on my
W3+FP(37-41).

Rascho

------------------------
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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      18-Sep-99 16:58:16
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: Re: Max size for an hpfs partition ?

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj [Starfire Couriers] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ I have a 17 gig partition formatted to HPFS, with no problem
¯ 
¯ I thought the I read somewhere that the largest HPFS could
¯  accommodate was in the 2 terrabyte range

AFAIK this is the limits for FAT16 (with 64k cluster) and HPFS:

 File System  Max. Partition Size  Max. File Size 
 FAT          4 gigabytes          4 gigabytes 
 HPFS         2,048 gigabytes      4 gigabytes 
 (NTFS        16 exabytes          16 exabytes) 

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: osric@apk.net                                     18-Sep-99 11:17:14
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tarquelne <osric@apk.net>

>OS/2 belongs to IBM.  They will release a Warp 5 when
>something in the marketplace comes close to matching
>OS/2's stability, power and quality.  Nothing Microsoft has
>issued or offered to date comes near OS/2.

So OS/2 is supposed to grow and develop through fixpacks?  I refuse
to believe that the OS/2 userbase will continue to maintain even its
present userbase size that way.  As the userbase shrinks fewer and
fewer hardware and software developers will bother to make thier
products for OS/2.

Wating for Microsoft to catch up is the way to allow Microsoft to
surpass.  And if Microsoft were the reason to produce new versions of
Warp, then why do we have Warp 3 and 4?  Were you attacking everyone
who was happy to have Warp 3?

>It has been obvious for months now that Stardock would
>never be able to provide their own Stardock version of OS/2.

That's completely innacurate.  You are an anti-Stardock fanatic, so
don't think that _your_ certainties are realities.

>It has also been obvious since last November that Stardock
>has used this "we want to bring you a Stardock Warp 5
>product" hype as a Stardock PR vehicle.  IBM has rightly
>said no to Brad Wardell.

Ditto, but even more so.

>Stardock  made their fortune from a few OS/2 products.
>Today they develop applications only for the Microsoft
>operating systems.  Stardock continues to sell their faded
>OS/2 products to fund their Windows software development
>rather than do as other OS/2 software vendors have done
>with class and style and release their OS/2 products for
>free download.

You mean the ones that have given up and left OS/2?  That's what
you're trying to say to OS/2 developers?  "Go away."?
There were IBMers who wanted Stardock to make a new Warp client -
maybe one suited more for SOHO, eh?  If they had won out then. . .
what?  I'm sure, Tim, that you'd say that Stardock would even then
weasel out of produceing a client because they aren't an OS/2
developer, right?  Well, I find that hard to believe.

>Stardock can now publicly cry 'whoa is us, IBM says no'
>and can officially move off to Microsoft.   We can only hope
>they do that sooner than later and stop dragging their feet
>for sympathy (and publicity) from the OS/2 community.

Oh yea.  Like wahtever they do here has an appreciable impact on
thier bottom line.  If you had a mind open enough to admit a neutrino
then you'd see that Stardock wants to be the top OS/2 developer,
because the top developer of a sucessfull OS could make lots and lots
and lots of $$.  Thus, it's in Stardocks best interest that OS/2
succeed.  You could argue that they are going about it the wrong way,
but to say that they aren't sinciere in this is to engange in
paranoid fantasies.

>Best of luck to them.  OS/2 is alive, well and still doing the
>job it was designed to do.

RIGHT!!!!!  Run on a bank's 386 machine and scare away home users!

                                            Tarquelne
                                       <osric@apk.net>
        I know how God can make a rock so big He can't move it.
                                  ************************
Use the address above to reply - not the anti-spam "Reply-to" address
___________________________________________________________
Mike Martone


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From: acogbill@ibm.net                                  18-Sep-99 09:03:29
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 03:20:28
Subj: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: "Allen Cogbill" <acogbill@ibm.net>

Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:

Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
                 C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
                 D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
                 E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8

Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
                 G: (logical)     HPFS

Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
                 /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
                 /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
                 /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
                 /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)

I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp (maintenance),
Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux 
partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.

I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.

Allen Cogbill
Los Alamos, NM


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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              18-Sep-99 14:10:12
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Reinstalling Win95 with OS2

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

I have Win311 on a primary (C) Dos partition and Win95 on a primary
(C) partition on the same hard drive. 
D partition is a logical Dos partition.
E (OS2 Warp 4.0) is an HPFS partition.
I am using OS2 Boot Manager which is the first partition on the
physical drive.

My problem is that Win 95 has become corrupted (not unexpected) and I
must do a reinstall of Win95 from the cdrom.  I don't exactally
remember how I first set this up and how it affected Boot Manager.  If
I proceed with a normal Win 95 installation will it delete Boot
Manager?  How do I then reinstall Boot Manager?  Will it automatically
install in the primary C drive which presently contains Win95?  Am I
apt to loose my Win 311 primary partition?
I guess the question is "how do I proceed to reinstall Win95 (ugh)
without affecting any of the other partitions (including boot manager)
and especially OS2"?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Willard




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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           18-Sep-99 08:25:21
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <BEDC80DE3F84C201.9D575B57DCEF1FF2.5135D6DA3008CB5C@lp.airnews.net>, on
09/18/99 at 02:53 AM,
   Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> said:

> As did some prior versions.  But Warp 3 was, I believe, the first to be
> distributed with the sniffer on the CD.  In prior versions, on diskette,
> when the sniffer found a prior release on the initial install, it
> disabled itself so that it would not run on subsequent installs.  Since
> on CD it was not modifiable, anytime a reformat was necessary like after
> a head crash, the system would not install because of the sniffer so ibm
> customer support had to publish a workaround which amounted to copying
> one file from the CD onto the HD before beginning the install.  I think
> this fiasco was the reason they didn't bother to include it in ver 4.

Dale, you are wrong regarding the "sniffer" on Warp 4. I just took the
original CD, made the three install disks, and tried to load it on a
client's machine which is pure NT. It wouldn't work with copying the file
to the appropriate sub-directory. Now my CD came in a package directly
from IBM clearly marked  UPGRADE version. Also on the side of the box (yep
I kept it) the last for the System Requirements says:

    This package is an upgrade edition for OS/2 users that
    installs on systems that have a license for OS/2 and
    meet the above system requirements*. IBM also offers a
    base edition that is required for PC's that have DOS,
    Windows, or no operating system installed.

The * I put into the above indicates the list of hardware, processor, disk
space, etc. requirements listed above the paragraph quoted above.

Now perhaps later the the manufacturing/distribution cycle they dropped
it, but I know for sure it is in my copies. In fact, another copy (I have
five since I have five computers running Warp) purchased last has the
exact same CD with identical file sizes. I did not try this CD, but since
dates, file sizes, product id, etc. are identical, I believe they are
identical.

--
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---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           18-Sep-99 08:34:29
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <2nx43oHpvWwN092yn@visi.com>, on 09/17/99 at 11:49 PM,
   rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) said:

> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> spake
> unto us, saying:

> >I think the slimeball thief who started this sad thread somehow got hold
> >of the upgrade version of Warp 4 which is what those with Warp 3 received.
> >Unlike the OEM versions of Windoze which will only install on systems
> >which already have an earlier version installed, the upgrade version of
> >Warp 4 must find another version of Warp somewhere on the system or it
> >will not install.

> The upgrade version of Warp 4 is exactly the same as the non-upgrade
> version of Warp 4.  I have one of each here, and the only difference I
> found between the two was the printing on the box.

> Warp 3 did have a sniffer, however.

So does Warp 4. See my other post on this subject. I not only quote the
system requirements from the box but tried to install it on a machine with
no prior (or same) version of OS/2.


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---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: a.werry@nospam.ix.netcom.com                      18-Sep-99 09:23:00
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: "Arthur Werry" <a.werry@nospam.ix.netcom.com>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:15:21 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:

>Live with it fool. 

This coming from the same guy who wrote:

> Stardock can now publicly cry 'whoa is us, IBM says no'
> and can officially move off to Microsoft. 

Evidently you've been shoveling horse muffins so long, Tim,
that you forgot the word is "woe,"  not the command to stop
a horse.

Just a tip, if you don't know the difference between those
two words, I wouldn't call someone ELSE a fool.

LOL!



***************************

To email, remove "nospam." from my address.





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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         18-Sep-99 19:39:21
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Lotus Approach

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,

I would like to know how I can prevent 
LotusScript to run when ever I'm using a
Smartmaster, or other .APR files that 
have scripts in it

BTW. the reason I want that is because 
most of those scripts are just screwing 
things up for me instead of helping me

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      18-Sep-99 13:41:19
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Max size for an hpfs partition ?

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <11969593765228030814654@LOCALHOST>, Franck Mesnier
<fmesnier@dial.oleane.com> writes:

>The question is in the tittle...

At the moment the limit is 64GB, althopugh apparently the 
theoretical maximum for HPFS is in the terabyte range.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               18-Sep-99 19:05:13
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Kensington Mouse-in-a-box Scroll?

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:10:09, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> 
> 	Does Kensington's Mouse-in-a-box scroll mouse operate under OS/2?
> 
Most mice will operate under OS/2.  I know that my Logitech trackman+ 
works under the plain old scrollms driver- even the wheel.  PS/2 mice 
work better than serial, but most mice are ps/2 these days

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         18-Sep-99 19:42:09
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Kensington Mouse-in-a-box Scroll?

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:10:09, 
jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> 
> 	Does Kensington's Mouse-in-a-box scroll mouse operate under OS/2?
> 
> 

Check theire web site at: 
http://www.kensington.com/ they usually 
have all the drivers including OS/2's 
there, and I do know that they support 
their scroll Ball well, I use one and I 
got the drivers for it from them

//-------------------------
Good Luck

Bonne Chance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                18-Sep-99 14:41:18
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5 or a viable alternative

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Tarquelne wrote:
> 
> >OS/2 belongs to IBM.  They will release a Warp 5 when
> >something in the marketplace comes close to matching
> >OS/2's stability, power and quality.  Nothing Microsoft has
> >issued or offered to date comes near OS/2.
> 
> So OS/2 is supposed to grow and develop through fixpacks?  I refuse
> to believe that the OS/2 userbase will continue to maintain even its
> present userbase size that way.  As the userbase shrinks fewer and
> fewer hardware and software developers will bother to make thier
> products for OS/2.
> 
> Wating for Microsoft to catch up is the way to allow Microsoft to
> surpass.  And if Microsoft were the reason to produce new versions of
> Warp, then why do we have Warp 3 and 4?  Were you attacking everyone
> who was happy to have Warp 3?

I only wish Microsoft WOULD catch up.  At least then there would be
a viable alternative... er... make that... superior alternative to
this dead fish.  If any MS OS had the functionality and stability
of OS/2, PLUS the obvious advantage of the support of the OEM 
community, it would indeed be a superior alternative.


-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]                            18-Sep-99 16:13:00
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1]

Where can I pick up a copy?  I'll try Hobbes.

In <7s0l0e$3jq$2@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, on 09/18/99 
   at 06:17 PM, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) said:


>	I have to thank Buddy for letting me know about this little  dohicky. 
>Folks, for anyone still running Netscape Navigator 2.02 for  OS/2, I would
>say this is an absolutel *musthave*.  After surfing the net  with this
>baby for a few hours, shutting down Netscape/2 no longer seems  like an
>eternity for me anymore (AMD 5x86/160Mhz with 16 MB of RAM).   Prior to
>using SmartCache it would take Netscape/2 at least four-five  minutes in
>order for it to close.  Now, I use SmartCache in order to do  all the
>caching (I have Netscape's own memory and cache disabled by  setting both
>values to 0).  The caching is handled very well in spite of  it being a
>Java app.  It doesn't suck up too much in resources as far as  I can tell,
>I mean, it is only a 91k zip file.
>	I have it running under Java 1.1.8 + runtime fix.  The 
>instructions weren't too clear on it but you need to setup Netscape to 
>use a proxy (http - http://127.0.0.1 and the value for it set to 8080).  
>The README didn't say anything about that.  As well, what is also cool is 
>that SmartCache also in a way replaces Internet JunkBuster, it too can 
>kill banner adds and cookies as well as a few other features like 
>changing one's referel header and changing one's user agent.  For 
>something that is still considered by the author as beta software (v0.40) 
>it works damn good!



--
GK
            
FrodoJRR at Interaccess dot com
OS/2 Version 4.00 FixPack 11 
There are 31 Processes with 118 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 6d 22h 34m 24s 15ms.


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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                18-Sep-99 17:41:24
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello "Michael.

18 Sep 99 18:58, "Michael Prinzing" <mipri@gmx.net> wrote to All:

To start with I am a registered/licensed OS/2 user.

 >> Bob, IIRC there was a trial version of OS/2 that had a 45-day
 time
 >> limit, but I thought it was v3.0, not 4. There were a number of
 >> schemes around to break the time limit, the easiest of which was
 to
 >> apply a FP.

 Mm> There was also a trial version of Warp 4. It was labeled
 "Interactive
 Mm> Demo CD", included 3 CDs and had a 45 days time limit. Part
 Number was
 Mm> 87H9242.


 >> Wasn't this the freebie/demo that was bundled with a computer
 >> magazine in Europe?

 Mm> I don't know if it was bundeled with a magazine, but IBM sent me
 this
 Mm> trial version after I had registered my brandnew Warp 4 :-)).

I also got of copy of this demo version in the mail from IBM, I gave
 it away to someone who was interested in trying OS/2, circa 1995.

There was a rexx script floating around for long time that would turn
 off the 45 time limit.

I had a copy of it, I didn't need but it was fun to collect those
 kind of things.

What amazes me is that original poster of this thread couldn't do a
 simple search for "+OS/2 +crack +time", 10 minutes on yahoo should
 get you what you want.

Derek


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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           18-Sep-99 15:59:19
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Allen Cogbill wrote:
> 
> Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
> Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
> out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:
> 
> Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
>                  C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
>                  D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
>                  E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8
> 
> Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
>                  G: (logical)     HPFS
> 
> Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
>                  /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
>                  /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
>                  /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
>                  /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)
> 
> I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp
(maintenance),
> Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux
> partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
> Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
> this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
> experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.
> 
> Allen Cogbill
> Los Alamos, NM

You need to run LILO - you should have a LILO configuration utility (I
run Debian rather than RedHat, so I'm not sure if it is the same. Debian
uses /usr/sbin/liloconfig), which you tell to install LILO in the Linux
root partition - not the master boot record, which is where OS/2 Boot
Manager is located. Dig about in /usr/doc/lilo, and read it over. If you
do have liloconfig, it is amazingly self-evident to install everything
in the right spot.
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From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj                18-Sep-99 17:41:24
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: derek.vance.steel@natureboy.dyn.tj

Hello jkovacs@ibm.net.

18 Sep 99 05:26, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) wrote to All:

 j> In <7/s43kDg6ZWE090yn@ibm.net>, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)
 writes:

 >> The call has been made -- there will be no new client from
 Stardock
 >> and IBM has indicated

 j> Good.

 j> Everyone has a LAN, even home users.  The route up is through
 j> OS/2 server with several processors.

I have 4 machines on the lan at home, 2 x win98 + 1 warp 4.0 + 1
 warp4/win98/redhat 6.0 machine.


 j> I think that as far as clients go, how does it get any better
 j> than OS/2 Warp 4 running a Pentium Pro machine?  What are we
 j> going to do, run clients with 5 processors?

I want to be able listen to real audio :(


 j> As time goes on, we'll break through to another level, as we
 j> did going from mainframes to Personal System/2 with OS/2, or
 j> going from DOS to OS/2.  Maybe it'll be Java.  As we have
 j> always done, we can look forward to what's coming.

 j> We'll go on as we are.  :-)



Derek


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From: spamonoloawmg@yesic.com                           18-Sep-99 16:15:16
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: "andrew g" <spamonoloawmg@yesic.com>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:03:58 -0600 (MDT), Allen Cogbill wrote:

>Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
>Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
>out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:

man lilo
OS/2+Linux HOWTO

for the HOWTO, go to www.linux.org

andrew


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From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk                              18-Sep-99 21:31:06
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)

Perhaps I'm just getting tired of treadmill of constant updates, but Warp 4
(and for that matter Warp 3 and even to a lesser extent OS/2 2.1) provides an
excellent user interface.  It seems to be able to support all programs written
for it.  So what essential features are missing from Warp 4 that necessitate a
new Warp 5 client?  Sure there is the new journaling file system but is this
really necessary on a client?

At work I currently use Win NT 4, I used to have to work with Win3.1 (excuse
me while I vomit at the thought of it) I have a portable that runs Win95 -
none of them come close in performance and ease of use to Warp 4.  I run Warp
3 on a 386DX40 with 16MB ram and Warp 4 on a IBM 686 166+ with 64MB.  I'm
certain that OS/2 multitasks better than Win NT and that it is less prone to
memory leaks.  My OS/2 machine runs 24 hours a day and is only shut down when
I go away for a few days.  The Win NT at work needs to be shut down at least
once a week to restore stability.

The only legitimate concern is that OS/2 is slowly being allowed to die. 
However IBM has consistently failed to market OS/2 aggressively - a really
strong push of version 2.1 when Windows 3.1 was in its infancy could have
changed the scene.  Another opportunity was missed when Win 95 shipped almost
a year later than Warp 4 - once again a strong push could have got more ISVs
on-board.  Several months after Win 95 finally shipped, IBM admitted it had
lost the battle for the desktop - but the battle had been lost long before
that because of two things - (1) PC journalist's, and the public's,
infatuation with anything bearing the Microsoft label & (2) IBM's constant
prevarication over OS/2.

What OS/2 needs to stay alive is a healthy supply of applications - sure there
is a mass of excellent shareware and freeware out there, but the same is true
for the MS operating systems.  In the UK it is impossible to buy any OS/2
software on the high street - by mail order things are a little better but
compared to the universal availability of Win software it is a depressing
situation.

Now tell me again why the SOHO user needs a Warp 5 client.

In message <37e3bb72$6$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com> - lifedata@xxvol.com
writes:
:>
:>lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider) said:
:>
:>>IBM hasn't said anything about canceling support for OS/2.
:>
:>You're right.  They only want to put it our of reach of average users.
:>
:>Jim L
:>Remove XX from address to Email
:>More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.
:>
:>



Jim Backus - Electronic Systems Engineer - OS/2 user by choice
 - member of Amnesty International
 - supporter of Proportional Representation
Bona fide  replies to jimb (at) jita dot demon dot co dot uk

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From: fmesnier@dial.oleane.com                          19-Sep-99 00:01:28
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: vacpp install and matrox driver

From: Franck Mesnier <fmesnier@dial.oleane.com>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:12:46 +0100 (CET), Dan Kyhl wrote:

>I have had lockup problems with the latest Matrox drivers for the Millenium,
>changed to the GRADD drivers and the lockups went away. The lockup occured
>mostly when working with graphics in ColorWorks and WordPro.
>
>Dan

I recome to the 2.30.089 driver and all is well now... ( and accelerated ). 
What gradd do you use gen or mga ?

Franck



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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          18-Sep-99 23:03:19
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Reinstalling Win95 with OS2

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:10:24, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) wrote:

:If
:I proceed with a normal Win 95 installation will it delete Boot
:Manager?

 No, but it will disable it. You can use either a DOS or OS/2 fdisk to reset 
the Boot Manager partition active, or startable, once you've reinstalled 
Win95.

:Will it automatically install in the primary C drive which presently
:contains Win95?

 Use DOS' fdisk to set that particular C: active first. 

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                18-Sep-99 16:52:21
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?--mic & jack

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Derek
> 
> P.S. I want another microphone and booster jack like the one that
>  came with warp 4

Indelible Blue used to sell them separately, but haven't looked
lately.  Wouldn't hurt to give them a try.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      18-Sep-99 23:02:09
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <4e9vR6R51Xid-pn2-vf2uc543Yom7@pool1-18.laf.cioe.com>,
  lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider) wrote:

> OS/2 brain dead for some time?  What does that make Windows then? :-)

Ha! :)

> IBM hasn't said anything about canceling support for OS/2.
>
> Lee W. Riemenschneider
> Die Hard Purdue Fan!
> OS/2 User and Supporter

Hey Lee, you going to WS'99?? If you do, we should go out for lunch
again... :)

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 18-Sep-99 18:14:01
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>On <2nx43oHpvWwN092yn@visi.com>, on 09/17/99 at 11:49 PM,
>   rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) said:
>
>> The upgrade version of Warp 4 is exactly the same as the non-upgrade
>> version of Warp 4.  I have one of each here, and the only difference I
>> found between the two was the printing on the box.
>
>> Warp 3 did have a sniffer, however.
>
>So does Warp 4. See my other post on this subject. I not only quote the
>system requirements from the box but tried to install it on a machine with
>no prior (or same) version of OS/2.

I only opened the upgrade version when I got my two copies of Warp 4
(which I purchased directly from IBM as soon as it became available),
and I have installed it from the upgrade CD-ROM on a new machine as
well as on the one containing my previous Warp 3 installation.

My copy of the OS/2 Warp "Upgrade for OS/2 Users" has no sniffer.

Either IBM has multiple flavors of the upgrade version of OS/2 Warp 4
out there, or you are mistaken.

Mine came with a headphone microphone for use with VoiceType Dictation,
BTW -- later Warp 4 packages did not.  Is yours a later package?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                            Another tagline!

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      18-Sep-99 18:52:24
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <npbtovyyvozarg.fi9aym0.pminews@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, "Allen Cogbill"
<acogbill@ibm.net> writes:

>Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
>Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
>out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:
>
>Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
>                 C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
>                 D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
>                 E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8
>
>Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
>                 G: (logical)     HPFS
>
>Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
>                 /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
>                 /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
>                 /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
>                 /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)
>
>I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp
(maintenance),
>Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux 
>partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
>Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.
>
>I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
>this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
>experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.

Does Boot Manager allow you to label the linux / partition as 
bootable?  If so, you shouldn't have any problem.   Just tell 
lilo to install to /dev/sdb7 and it should be OK.  If you haven't
installed already, the installation program should ask where you 
want to put lilo; just tell it /dev/sdb7 and you're off.  If 
you've already installed linux just open /etc/lilo.conf in your 
favorite editor and change the "boot = /dev/whatever" to "boot = 
/dev/sdb7" save the change and re-run lilo to write the changes 
to the boot record.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 18-Sep-99 18:21:26
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Dale, you are wrong regarding the "sniffer" on Warp 4. I just took the
>original CD, made the three install disks, and tried to load it on a
>client's machine which is pure NT. It wouldn't work with copying the file
>to the appropriate sub-directory. Now my CD came in a package directly
>from IBM clearly marked  UPGRADE version. Also on the side of the box (yep
>I kept it) the last for the System Requirements says:
>
>    This package is an upgrade edition for OS/2 users that
>    installs on systems that have a license for OS/2 and
>    meet the above system requirements*. IBM also offers a
>    base edition that is required for PC's that have DOS,
>    Windows, or no operating system installed.

My OS/2 Warp 4 "Upgrade for OS/2 Users" box contains this same text
(I've kept all of my OS/2 boxes).

This is interesting.

Both of the Warp 4 CD-ROMS I have (one bundled in an upgrade box, and
one bundled in a normal box) are labelled as part 84H3109.  Also, the
upgrade CD-ROM does not say "upgrade" on it in any way, and appears to
be identical to the non-upgrade CD-ROM I also have.

Is that also the case with yours?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
              I don't get ulcers ... but I'm a carrier.  :-)

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 18-Sep-99 18:30:11
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
spake unto us, saying:

>So what essential features are missing from Warp 4 that necessitate a
>new Warp 5 client?

I want SMP support.  Badly.  I have OS/2 running on two PPro boxes with
have a second processor socket, and additional PPro processors are well
under $100 now.  NT, Solaris, BeOS, and Linux on the second box all do
SMP in the client version already -- OS/2 and DOS are the only two OSes
installed on that hardware which don't support it.

I also want the OS/2 FDISK and Boot Manager fixed to recognize the new
partitions types that Windows has been using for years.

Other than that, the current Warp 4 is fine for me.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
              Are you thinking politically-correct things?

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               18-Sep-99 23:31:01
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: Re: Kensington Mouse-in-a-box Scroll?

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:05:22, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> 
> What's the difference between a PS/2 mouse and a bus mouse?
> -- 
Beats me

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                18-Sep-99 19:13:27
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:22
Subj: ICQ on OS/2

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Can anyone tell me if ICQ can be used under OS/2?  If so, where do you
get it?
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          18-Sep-99 23:40:02
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:13:00, postmaster@[127.0.0.1] a Úcrit dans un 
message:

> Where can I pick up a copy?  I'll try Hobbes.

The English version is here:
	http://ncic.netmag.cz/apps/nase/smartcache_e.html

The download link is on that page, near the bottom, but read the whole 
thing while you're there.

> 
> In <7s0l0e$3jq$2@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, on 09/18/99 
>    at 06:17 PM, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) said:
> 
> 
> >	I have to thank Buddy for letting me know about this little  dohicky. 

Actually, I'm so amazed it works this well I can't keep it to myself? 
Thanks are to Radim Kolar for writing it and making it available, for free.
(He also supplies the java source, which can be fairly easily adapted if 
you really want to customize it.)

> >Folks, for anyone still running Netscape Navigator 2.02 for  OS/2, I would
> >say this is an absolutel *musthave*.  After surfing the net  with this
> >baby for a few hours, shutting down Netscape/2 no longer seems  like an
> >eternity for me anymore (AMD 5x86/160Mhz with 16 MB of RAM).   Prior to
> >using SmartCache it would take Netscape/2 at least four-five  minutes in
> >order for it to close.  Now, I use SmartCache in order to do  all the
> >caching (I have Netscape's own memory and cache disabled by  setting both
> >values to 0).

Radim recommends setting NS to 0 cache and 1024-2048 K memory. I've tried 
it with both 0 and 2048 and can't yet detect the difference, but I've got a
fast connection and lots of ram and HD capacity.

> >The caching is handled very well in spite of  it being a
> >Java app.  It doesn't suck up too much in resources as far as  I can tell,
> >I mean, it is only a 91k zip file.

This is the best part. Unlike almost every other Java app I've tried, this 
one doesn't get in the way, and doesn't seem to impact the system. But it 
appears to release 10MB of RAM when I shut it off, not anything near 91K. A
second session running for "garbage collection" doesn't take up any further
resources.


> >	I have it running under Java 1.1.8 + runtime fix.  The 
> >instructions weren't too clear on it but you need to setup Netscape to 
> >use a proxy (http - http://127.0.0.1 and the value for it set to 8080).  
> >The README didn't say anything about that.  

It's in there, somewhere, I think, and it also suggests setting the proxy a
different way, which I'm using. 
Set the NS proxy manually to "smart.cache" and port "8080", then add the 
line
	smart.cache   127.0.0.1
to your \MPTN\ETC\HOSTS file. (If you don't have a HOSTS file, make one 
with just the one line.) It's good to have SET USE_HOSTS_FIRST=1 in 
CONFIG.SYS, but I don't think it's mandatory.

> >As well, what is also cool is 
> >that SmartCache also in a way replaces Internet JunkBuster, it too can 
> >kill banner adds and cookies 

And as I mentioned elsewhere I'm building a FAIL.CNF (one of the SmartCache
configuration files) to do as much of this as possible, and it's very 
satisfying to a crank like myself to see all these expensive web sites with
great big gaping holes in them where animated banners and gifs used to 
waste electrons. It can even disable *some* gratuitous java applets.

> >as well as a few other features like 
> >changing one's referrer header and changing one's user agent.  For 
> >something that is still considered by the author as beta software (v0.40) 
> >it works damn good!

I have to think that v.0.40 is one of his cosmic jokes. After all, he's 
copyrighted his "product" in the name of "(c) 1998, Lord Krisna and his 
devotee."

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: blackdeath@13softhome.net                         19-Sep-99 00:24:08
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: ICQ on OS/2

From: blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart Honsberger)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:13:54 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:
>Can anyone tell me if ICQ can be used under OS/2?  If so, where do you
>get it?

You *COULD* use the Mirabilis Java client, buuuuuuut.. Quite frankly, it's
crap. :>

I use AICQ, found at; http://atlas.intsys.ru

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               19-Sep-99 01:06:00
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5 or a viable alternative

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:41:37, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> a ‚crit:

> I only wish Microsoft WOULD catch up.  At least then there would be
> a viable alternative... er... make that... superior alternative to
> this dead fish.  If any MS OS had the functionality and stability
> of OS/2, PLUS the obvious advantage of the support of the OEM 
> community, it would indeed be a superior alternative.

	So, let's get the real easy way between these choices.  Let OEM 
support OS/2! 

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: kdlee@home.com                                    19-Sep-99 01:09:28
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: ICQ on OS/2

From: kdlee@home.com

In <4EF28117E88F59ED.C0854EFB8927E492.6CA72D802469C1E5@lp.airnews.net>, Dale
Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> writes:
>Can anyone tell me if ICQ can be used under OS/2?  If so, where do you
>get it?
I'm using the JavaICQ, and it works reasonably well(with a few odd
quirks that I can live with).  You can get it from the main ICQ site
as far as I know.

>-- 
>Dale Erwin
Kerry

Kerry D. Lee              
kdlee@home.com     
Great, so now it's battle of the cliche men. - Lina Inverse, Slayers 1

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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        18-Sep-99 18:40:02
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: Offline Storage Options

From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

John Hong wrote:

> Alan Beagley (abeagley@datatone.com) wrote:
 
> : Re: using another hard disk for backup. As I read the newspaper report the
> : other day of a flash flood (4.5" in a very short time) further east on
Long
> : Island, I read about the man with the computer business located in
basement
> : premises, who was interviewed while he was carrying his waterlogged
> : equipment upstairs. All his work, all his records were lost, he
complained.
> : And I was reminded how useless is any backup system that does not allow
for
> : off-site backups. So: if you use a removeable hard disk and take it home
> : each night or put it in the safety-deposit box, you're fine; otherwise
> : forget it.
 
>         Just a little curious question, but...  Would water damage a
> CDROM?  I mean, once it got wet, what would happen to it if we left it
> sit and dry.  Would we still be able to use it or is it toast?

I lost several music CDs, less than 5% of a whole collection, as a
result of submersion for less than 4 hours in salt water. Damage was
typical of corrosion: no apparent affect at first, but with time, the
foil inner layer developed holes too big for error correction to handle.
-- 
A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of
understanding holds his tongue.                Proverbs 11:12 NKJV

 Team OS/2

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 18-Sep-99 22:50:09
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham)
spake unto us, saying:

>In <c1.2b8.2SDPX0$0HC@cast.grid.ibm.net>, on 09/18/99 
>   at 05:26 AM, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) said:
>
>> Everyone has a LAN, even home users.
>
>No we don't.  A LAN makes no sense with only one PC.  And multiple PCs
>(except perhaps a desktop and a laptop) make no sense with only one user.

Some people have a LAN at home, some don't.  It all depends on what a
given user wants to do.  As an example, I now have six PCs here at home
all networked together, but I have a use for each of them (and didn't
pay all that much for them, either).

>> The route up is through  OS/2 server with several processors.
>
>Are you saying buy Warp server for e-business (or whatever they call it)? 
>Too expensive.  For that matter, so was Warp 4, which is why I'm still
>running Warp3/FP32.

The Warp 4 upgrade was kinda spendy, I'll admit, but I obtained Warp 4
because at the time I had two PCs and I wanted to network them.  For
me, the upgrade also gave me Warp Connect functionality, and that was
something I considererd worth the price.

Warp server is *far* too expensive for me to consider.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
        Daugherty's Law: Temporary things tend to become permanent.

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From: jeffos2@mindspring.com                            19-Sep-99 03:44:07
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: jeffos2@mindspring.com (Jeffery Swagger)

In <37E2FDF9.6356DA4D@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
>Dale Erwin wrote:
>
>
>OS/2 did not die today.  Stardock's desire to provide
>a Stardock version of Warp 5 died - as it should have.
>
>OS/2 belongs to IBM.  They will release a Warp 5 when
>something in the marketplace comes close to matching
>OS/2's stability, power and quality.  Nothing Microsoft has
>issued or offered to date comes near OS/2.
>
>It has been obvious for months now that Stardock would
>never be able to provide their own Stardock version of OS/2.
>It has also been obvious since last November that Stardock
>has used this "we want to bring you a Stardock Warp 5
>product" hype as a Stardock PR vehicle.  IBM has rightly
>said no to Brad Wardell.
>
>Stardock  made their fortune from a few OS/2 products.
>Today they develop applications only for the Microsoft
>operating systems.  Stardock continues to sell their faded
>OS/2 products to fund their Windows software development
>rather than do as other OS/2 software vendors have done
>with class and style and release their OS/2 products for
>free download.
>
>Stardock can now publicly cry 'whoa is us, IBM says no'
>and can officially move off to Microsoft.   We can only hope
>they do that sooner than later and stop dragging their feet
>for sympathy (and publicity) from the OS/2 community.
>
>Best of luck to them.  OS/2 is alive, well and still doing the
>job it was designed to do.
>

Tim, you are once again, being a jerk.  Your insane hatred of Stardock
is really clouding your thinking.  A Stardock marketed fat client was an
excellent idea and is, and was, a win-win for everybody; IBM, Stardock
and customers alike.  Since you seem incapable of seeing anything but
red where Stardock is involved, let me tell you what is really going on.

Firstly, I've been dealing with IBM since probably before you were in
diapers and there is one thing that is absolutely true about them:  They
don't know retail.  Never have, never will.  It was entirely reasonable
for Stardock, a company which does have some retail experience, to
approach IBM to market one of their products at retail.  (Note:  In case
you haven't caught on, retail==SOHO users).  Now, this was a deal that
would cost IBM virtually nothing and any revenue generated would go
straight to the bottom line.  It is in fact very surprising that IBM
turned it down.  Especially when you consider their stated reasons.  How
is it "not in their customer's interest" to have an updated client?  Do
customers not need greater than 512MB address spaces?  Do customers not
need SMP support?  Do customers not need JFS?  How is it "not in IBM's
interest" to generate essentially cost free incremental revenue?  Is it
because OS/2 is highly coveted advanced technology that IBM wants to
keep to itself?  Not hardly.

There are number of answers. I'll hit on a couple of them.

First is the IBM mindset.  Way back in the early 90's Gerstner made a
decision not to get into an OS war with Microsoft.  Rightly or wrongly
he has stuck by that decision and nobody at the executive level is going
to challenge him on it.  So in the intervening years the perception
within IBM has become that OS/2 is not strategic, is a mistake and they
just wish it would go away.  Doing anything that would have OS/2
maintain or even possibly increase it's market share is totally contrary
to this mindset.  Heck, it was next to impossible to get any real
marketing effort by IBM back in the 1.3 days.  OS/2 has always been
something of a stepchild within IBM.

The second reason they turned the proposal down is 15 billion USD.
That's the estimated cost to (US) business to migrate to Windows/2000
and IBM figures to get a substantial percentage of that in services and
software.  They already make a lot of money from the Microsoft platform
and they intend on making more.  It would be folly to upset the
applecart by seriously offering a better cheaper product.

Third reason is that IBM believes the fat client is dead.  And to a
large extent they are correct.  Ask anybody who has to distribute
applications to five, ten, fifteen thousand or more users.  Consider the
typical kitchen table user struggling to get his software updated as the
unset VCR clock flashes in the background.  The day is very rapidly
approaching where the computer as we know it will have disappeared,
where we will be surrounded by intelligent devices networked together on
very high bandwidth connections.  A fat client has no place in this
scenario.

So, they decided no client.  I think it's unfortunate.  But does this
mean that OS/2 is dead?  No.  There is only one event that will signal
OS/2's death.  And that's this:  S/390 is IBM's bread and butter.  A
S/390 box and it's big dollar peripherals are all controlled by OS/2.
So long as that is true then OS/2 lives.  If IBM ever announces a new
box that is controlled by something else, then it's time to pack it in.
Until then enjoy the free fixpacks, the occasional new function and
device support which is also free, and the huge number of high quality
freeware and shareware applications available and give up this stupid
hatred for Stardock.  At least in public.  It's really become annoying
and does nothing but detract from your credibility.

----
Jeff

   "They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data.  Sometimes they get the
   results they expect, sometimes they don't."
                        From Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: HernsModestil@Technologist.com                    19-Sep-99 02:47:02
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: HernsModestil@Technologist.com

I'd interested either way. 

We've gota do what we gota do. 

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                18-Sep-99 21:38:08
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:23
Subj: Re: ICQ on OS/2

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Stewart Honsberger wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:13:54 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:
> >Can anyone tell me if ICQ can be used under OS/2?  If so, where do you
> >get it?
> 
> You *COULD* use the Mirabilis Java client, buuuuuuut.. Quite frankly, it's
> crap. :>
> 
> I use AICQ, found at; http://atlas.intsys.ru
> 
> --
> Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
> blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
> Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

Thank you, Stewart.

There is something wrong with the URL you gave, but I found it
at www.plackpalace.com and looks like it's also on Hobbes.  The
question now is:  How do I find out how to use it?  How do I get
a number? etc.

I think the author in Russia found maintaining a web page too
expensive.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: rob@schroeder.net                                 19-Sep-99 10:10:10
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: rob@schroeder.net (Robert Schroeder)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:17:50, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)
wrote:

[SmartCache]

> For something that is still considered by the author as beta software
(v0.40) 
> it works damn good!

That's my impression, too; I'm running it on a server that connects a 
small LAN to the internet and it not only works good but is really fast 
as well, even though its a Java application (VIO mode), and that's an 
old K5-166 with far too little RAM for what's running (80 MB). I think 
it's just the kind of software that Java itself needs to become more 
widely accepted and used.

Cheers,
Rob

-- 
Robert Schroeder <rob@schroeder.net>

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 18-Sep-99 21:24:14
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Re: dire need of HELP!

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Tony Wright wrote:

 >snip of great post 

I'm here to say your keen insight and dare I say it,
kindness during this episode have been more than helpful,
Tony.  I probably read your post four or five times. 

After a not very entertaining 36 hours spent pulling cards,
changing SIMMs, running diagnostics, I'm sure everyone will
be delighted to hear what was probably obvious from the
start: the hard drive seems to be toast.  Fortunately, I
guess.  And it's still under warrantee. 

Anyone who cares to hear the saga... I pulled the SIMMs one
at a time, moved each individually into another socket etc
-- same problems; still meanwhile, diskette boot never
failed.  I pulled the modem (should have done this first). 
I took Mat Nieuwenhoven's advice and ran a virus tester
(should have done this second but of course a vast tributary
of de Nile runs through this place).  I turned off Level 2
cache.  Actually what I did do first wasn't really such a
bad idea: replacing the internal wide-scsi cable, which is
the only thing that connects from the wide connector on the
onboard scsi bus -- tape and cd-rom are off the ultra port.  
Well, then I also double-checked that the drive was
terminated properly, and the ID was set right; also that the
scsi bios was set properly (HIGH ON LOW OFF, whatever it is,
I can't remember).  Still the same mess. 

I've been using another drive off the ultra bus as sort of
backup -- I could have reformatted that and tried to boot
from it: but then I remembered I've got an old Fujitsu (and
I mean old) drive hanging around, so I put that in and hung
it off the ultra connector after changing the SCSI id to 3
from 0.  I reformatted (low-level) it from scratch,
diskette-booted, then partitioned and formatted it. 

Set the Adaptec to boot from it instead of the IBM
Ultrastar, then diskette-booted and started copying
everything over from the Ultrastar's maintenance partition,
just to see.  (One thing I never would have suspected: when
there are two disks with Boot Managers, even if you're set
one as the boot disk from the SCSI bios, when Boot Manager
shows up, it'll incorporate BOTH BMs, kinda weird if you're
not expecting it.)  I disconnected the UltraStar, rebooted,
and waited.... and my maintenance partition came straight
up.  I can't say I was doing backflips, but I was pleased
enough.   

I re-enabled L2 cache, set up Trevor's MEMOS2 to run for
however long it needed, and went out on a cheap date ("Run
Lola Run," entertaining, great editing -- kind of five
movies for the price of one) but she wanted sushi
afterwards, so I'd have to wait to whether my chips was dead
meat.  (And <cough> no, I didn't get any sushi, <ahem>.) 

Then I tried the same with my old Warp3 partition: tried
copying it to the Fujitsu from the Ultrastar -- alas, Trap
003.  Then I attempted a restore to the Fujitsu from my tar
archive of a few months ago -- I seldom use Warp3 anymore,
so it didn't matter for the purposes of a test; my Warp4
install on the Ultrastar was about ten letters higher,
forget that -- but same results.  This was around 2AM last
night, so while I was a bit discouraged I figured I needed
the sleep anyway.   

This morning I got out that old Warp3 box and did an install
from scratch.  I figured installs work the system as hard as
anything, and if it made it through on the Fujitsu, I could
figure it being the Ultrastar.  It did, so I am.  Most of
today was spent getting Netscape and other stuff running so
that I can use the desktop for some stuff (filling in html
on a laptop isn't much fun).

Some unasked for notes, advice, homilies:  

1) DON'T throw things out.  I've had this Warp3 box on the
shelf for I don't know how long, and many's the time I've
thought, "why don't you just dump it -- and reformat all
those disks for FixPack 32 while you're at it?  Well, now I
see why I kept them all.  And while you might think RSU is a
much better way to apply a fix than diskettes: believe me,
if you haven't done one in 15 months and then you go onto
Hobbes to try to sort out which is the best fixtool while
you're simultaneously running a search (because you don't
have your archived notes available) to find the location of
Warp3 fixpacks, it won't take much to change your mind.   

2) As to the question, which is better, Warp 3 or 4 -- the
funny (sad actually) thing is that both are equally wanting,
as equally pleasing.  I was very fond of Warp 3, and went to
4 sort of reluctantly -- personally I think it does look a
little nicer.  I would say that Warp 3 stinks of unfulfilled
promise, while Warp 4 reeks of somewhat brave but attenuated
follow-through.  (So much promise for a Warp 5 client: the
JFS, to get rid of some big vestigial M$-ness; a real and
final resolution of some of the sillinesses; a genuine
committment to getting multimedia to be right...  And we're
still up against the same moving target thing with IBM! 
What was the primary reason for effectively ceasing OS/2
development?  It wasn't giving it up to MS -- it was "thin
clients," wasn't it?  They're sure selling a lot of those
now, aren't they?  And while we're at it, OpenDoc sucked,
right?) 

3) I suppose I kinda figured all along it might be the HD
but there was a) heh, denial, and b) the sense it's an IBM,
it must be good -- but most especially, that old saw that c)
the specs for SCSI drives are more strict, they're better
quality than IDE, etc etc.  (Now, when I say I've tried to
be careful with it, I mean that I'll keep the a/c on in here
when I personally could have done without it; or that I've
kept power on/off cycles to a bare minimum -- switching it
off only when I'd be away for more than three days.  But --
who knows.) Now comes the tricky part: calling up IBM and
asking them to issue me the warranty replacement BEFORE I
send this drive back.  I think under the circumstances I
ought to be entitled, but you never know.   

Since you sort of asked -- I'm a writer (shameless in every
sense) but around here I suppose that's like saying I use a
computer.  (However I am marginally better at writing, and
get well underpaid for it.)  Sometimes I'm an html slave
(but a very "special" one!) Anyway, all this relief and joy
on my part is obviously premature and presages nothing but
utter disaster.  But I would like to take this opportunity
to pretend I'm accepting a cyber-Oscar (instead of a booby
prize of four days' straight worth of trap screens) and
thank each and every one of you swell eggs for chipping in
here while I was freaking: il Grecque, David Kunz, Chris the
Hamei -- who gets a portion of the first acknowledgement for
sensing it really was the HD losing it.  And of course
Trevor Hemsley, I wouldn't be here if not for him -- plus
there's Max from down Under -- and of course, you, Tony. 
<snif>  (Don't worry, I won't say you really love me.) 

I must say as far as I'm concerned this community is
anything but marginalized or insignificant, as I saw someone
claiming some time ago: you guys are the best, no wonder I
spend so much time here.   Though I'm still not sure I have
anything significant to offer about INI files, 'specially
after you and Henk.

'gards,  Ray

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum	      '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: jstuyck@home.com                                  19-Sep-99 13:03:11
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:06
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Jim Stuyck <jstuyck@home.com>


Tim Martin wrote:

>  Warp 4 is just two years old ...

My copy of Warp 4 is three years old.  Just "substituting" for
Dave Tholen (our very own twice-elected Kook of the Month)
to counter your FUD.  Come to think of it, why hasn't Tholen
commented on "Tim's" unfairness, bias and crummy logic?
Hmmm... could it be that Tholen "doesn't read everything" in
this newsgroup?  Could be.

Jim Stuyck

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From: pjmccli@ibm.net                                   19-Sep-99 09:34:01
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Perry <pjmccli@ibm.net>


Tim Martin wrote:

> Perry McClintock wrote:
>
> > Tim Martin wrote:
> >
> > > Dale Erwin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Luc Van Bogaert wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:13:02 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim,
> > > > >
> > > > > Why don't you come to Warpstock? You now you've been invited.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luc Van Bogaert
> > > > >   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
> > > > >     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2
event of the year
> > > >
> > > > Why bother... OS/2 died today.
> > > > --
> > > > Dale Erwin
> > > > 3624 Coral Gables Drive
> > > > Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> > > > (214)893-8738
> > >
> > > OS/2 did not die today.  Stardock's desire to provide
> > > a Stardock version of Warp 5 died - as it should have.
> > >
> >
> >   You are correct os/2 is not dead... but is on the way out?
>
> Says whom?  OS/2 users continue to use it.  True, Stardock
> doesn't use it but Stardock has offered very little support of OS/2.
> Stardock needs their OS/2 customers to move to the Microsoft
> operating systems so they can buy the Stardock Windows products.
> That's where Stardock is coming from.
>

you are correct.. someone on out side of IBM could write updated device
drivers, but the main
code... that is another area.... Java support is good, but  a refresh would
make it better.  If
OS/2 is not kept up with the new hardware it will someday not work... unless
you keep it on the old
slower machines... Will it have the updates to make it run on  the 64, 128...
bit processors??

>
>
>
> What are you going to get in a Warp 5 client that you can't
> already get with Warp 4 and FixPak 11 - the ability to run
> Office 2000?  Not gonna happen - EVER!  And what self-respecting
> OS/2 user would want OS/2 to have such an ability?  You?

I would not insult my computer with Office 2000, I run Lotus.  What would I
get.. well all the
updates in one places. That would be tested to make sure they work well with
each other. And, YES
there are times I would like OS/2 to run some of win32 code... Oh and get off
the Warp 5 client, it
would not be called that... the updated to Warp 4 Server was called Warp for
e-bussiness and is
version 4.5 (ver /r), so it would seem that the next client would be something 
like 4.6 maybe even
4.5 like the server... and called Warp....<put a name here> { Warp for
e-desktop ;) }

>
>
> > currently I think you
> > can only get fixpaks 38+ (for warp version 3) or somewhere around there
for the server unless
> > you cough up the money for the FP...  how long do you think it will take
to do the same with
> > OS/2 Warp Version 4... Fixpak 25, fixpak 35, or soon after the first
Fixpak for OS/2 for
> > e-bussiness??  What do your insiders say is the magic cut off date?? And,
when this occurs
> > you, them, us on the outside, will only have server being updated...  So
you got your copy of
> > OS/2 for e-bussiness Server??   I know I tried to install a fixpak and got 
the update
> > error...
> >
>
> So what are you going to do if IBM releases a Warp 5 client next
> year (year 2000)?  Claim all of your previous whining was a mistake?
> What's wrong with 35 fixpaks?  Warp 3 users are happy to have
> them.  As long as those fixpaks update my Warp 4 system I don't
> give a damn if they issue a hundred of them - especially if they
> do it for free!  I don't need to run the server version of OS/2 to
> run my business - the Warp 4 client does it better than anything
> Microsoft is offering to date.

But what if the FIXPACKs are no longer FREE?  what will you do then? What if
IBM starts supporting
SERVERS, that would mean no more fixpak 11's

>
>
> > As to a Warp 5 client... I think it would more than likely be a 4.5
client... that is what
> > the os2krnl is in OS/2 for e-bussiness... would have been nice to see...
>
> I'm running Warp 4.11 - that's good enough for me.  If it isn't good
> enough for you then buddy, chuck it and move to Microsoft.  See
> how well you do there.  But don't come crawling back here in three
> months whining about how bad that operating system is and how
> much it cost you to maintain.  I personally don't want to hear it.

Ok, you got me there. I run version 4 at fp 10 with LS 52 at the last fixpack. 
with the refresh of
MPTS. So I end up with Warp version 4 server... not supported but works, (if
you know how to put
all the pieces together)

>
>
> > So what does this leave for us... Linux... Even IBM has ported DB2 to
Linux... what does your
> > IBM insiders have to say about this???
> >
>
> It leaves us with a fine Warp 4 operating system.  Get OVER this
> idea that somehow the Jones's (Microsoft lackeys) have somehow
> surpassed you.  They are not the Jones's - they are the Kmarts of
> this world.  Slap on a little bright paint, give it a new name and it
> still comes down to a GUI sitting atop DOS and nothing more.
>

Oh, you give Windows too much credit... they are still coming out with y2k
fixes, updates to to
prevent hacking... etc...What bugs will the user have to put up with in
Windows 2000? (on I can
guess on one.. must have 128 meg of ram, and 256 if you really want to use it) 
 But, in  some ways
the Windows operating system is better than OS/2. Now if it would crash less
like OS/2, that would
be great... I have windows for games... the real work is done on OS/2... OS/2
will not run my Star
Wars Pod Racer...os/2 is one great stable (even more if you use a different
shell) operating
system, but I still feel it is on the way out.

>
> > > Tim Martin
> > > The OS/2 Guy
> > > Warp City
> > > http://warpcity.com
> > > "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
> >
> > Sorry to the group I have not been reading the news group for sometime,
just stopped in to
> > see what everyone had to say about the bad news with SD and the client.. I 
just had to add my
> > $.02.   I will now crawl back into my dark cold hole...
>
> No, no, please don't.  Step out more often but take a look around
> at what you have and realize it is the best there is.  Anything else
> is a bitter disappointment.  If you are running OS/2 you are driving
> the Rolls Royce of desktop operating systems.  Don't let all those
> lemon colored three-wheeled Hyundai's convince you otherwise.

The "Rolls Royce" has not be created yet, but OS/2 would be in the Lexis
Class.



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From: luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be                  19-Sep-99 11:08:24
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: "Luc Van Bogaert" <luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:19:07 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:

>I believe the same Warpstock officials who held office
>last year continue to do so.  Until that changes and until
>Warpstock's direction from a "vendor's paradise" to
>a "user's paradise" becomes the full focus, we have
>no desire to prompt our membership to pay the fees
>to gain entry.  Undoubtedly we will (Warp City) be in
>attendance, as we have been at all previous Warpstock
>events, but for their personal security we're simply not
>making it known who those Warp City staffer(s) will be.
>

Jeez, all I was asking was if you were going to do a presentation over
there.... didn't want to know 
about the undercover operations you seem to be planning... :-)


Luc Van Bogaert
  I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
    Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2 event of
the year


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From: luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be                  19-Sep-99 10:57:17
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: "Luc Van Bogaert" <luc.vanbogaert.nospam@pandora.be>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:31:26 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:

>Why bother... OS/2 died today.

Wrong answer, sorry.


Luc Van Bogaert
  I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
    Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2 event of
the year


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From: osric@apk.net                                     19-Sep-99 11:55:18
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tarquelne <osric@apk.net>

>Please don't Jeff.  My irritation with Stardock is that they have
>misused these newsgroups for the last eleven months to hype
>a vaporware product for one purpose:  to hype Stardock and
>Stardock alone.

I suggest anyone who thinks that's true go back and look at the
messages.
Brad Wardell has, in the "distant" past, placed messages that many
readers thought
were too commercial.  

The last eleven months, though, have been dominated by messages from
Tim Martin attacking Stardock for it's "hype."  Most (all?) of these
messages were posted in response not to messages from Stardock, but
instead to messages posted from users discussing the possibility. 
This of course includes the infamous spamming from Tim Martin, in
which any post on the subject resulted in an spammed attack.

Lets not get into this again here, OK?  x.advocacy for all the
"Stardock is EVIL" messages?

BTW - so many of my posts are anti-Tim Martin because I'm an
interested OS/2 user and, while not really an OS/2 expert, I do know
something of rhetoric and argument.  In my "expert" (a university
degree) opinion Tim Martin is, on the subject of Stardock at least,
an obsessed crackpot, and should stick to x.advocacy, where crackpots
are always welcome.
                                            Tarquelne
                                       <osric@apk.net>
        I know how God can make a rock so big He can't move it.
                                  ************************
Use the address above to reply - not the anti-spam "Reply-to" address
___________________________________________________________
"At first I was mad because everyone was drunk. There's a saying--
if you're smiling and you're not drunk, you're a foreigner."
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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               19-Sep-99 12:30:05
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Credibility 

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Esther Schindler wrote:

> This discussion really belongs in comp.os.os2.advocacy; I'm pointing
> at both newsgroups at the moment so that c.o.o.m participants can
> follow it there if they choose. Followups to cooa please.
>
> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:13:02, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> | This simply follows  Esther's recent article posted to ZDNet
> | regarding OS/2 sales exceeding IBM's expectations.  Go
> | back and read her article.  She offers NOT ONE verifiable
> | source that can  confirm her claims.   When the article came
> | out we checked our IBM sources and they were perplexed at
> | her claims.  Some even laughed.  And I can say this about
> | our IBM sources, they are actual IBM employees who subscribe
> | to Warp City.  They have email addresses ending in ibm.com
> | not ibm.net.  Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.
>
> Tim,
>
> Please *do* confirm your sources before you report -- or even imply --
> inaccurate information. You have no idea who my sources are.
> Therefore, you have no leg on which to stand when you imply that my
> information is wrong.

You still do not provide one verifiable source in your
article.  You expect -because you believe you are the
self-proclaimed queen of OS/2- people to believe you.
I see you only as an employee of Ziff Davis publications
and that is not a dubious honor (at least to me).

> You expect the participants here to rely on _your_ credibility,
> instead.

Some do some don't.  I use OS/2.  I manage the largest
private OS/2-only subscription site on the 'Net.  My
credibility is just as good as anything you spread around.

> Well, so be it. The lurkers are perfectly capable of making their own
> judgements about whose word is more reliable. (Hint: another batch of
> whining about how awful I am probably won't help your cause.)

No, just another stab at how persecuted you want people
to think you are because someone questions the credibility
of one of your writings.  Apparently OS/2 users are to never
question what Esther writes.

> The unfortunate truth is that IBM was no longer willing to announce
> _good_ news about OS/2 sales. The OS/2 community took the sales report
> as generally good news, however, which was as I intended; I find it
> curious that you actually object to hearing positive news about OS/2
> sales. (Lurkers are welcome to speculate whether Tim thinks that good
> news about OS/2 is less important than his attempts to damage my
> credibility.)

I don't object at all if it is presented with some kind of
verfiable backup.  I object to you reporting it at this
precarious time - with Warpstock just around the corner.
You are not an official member of the Steering Committee
but it is understood you wield considerable weight.

Write an article to make  OS/2 users feel good about how
well OS/2 is doing and it is sure to increase Warpstock
ticket sales where OS/2 users will get a chance to meet
the self-proclaimed queen of OS/2  - and isn't your
husband offering some sort of programming seminar?
Oh wait, don't we also have a SMACK product to promote?

> Oh... and, unfortunately, I won't be able to make it to Warpstock this
> time, as my travel schedule prohibits it. (I've been in 4 states in
> the last 7 days, and have more trips upcoming.) I hope and expect that
> Warpstock's attendees will have a marvelous weekend; I wish that Bill
> and I could join them.

Gee, I don't think this news has been disseminated to
the masses just yet.  Many folks believe you will be
there based on all your previous postings.  I assume
from what you say above that Bill will not be providing
his seminar either.

> I attended Warp Expo West yesterday, and had a wonderful time. The
> people who put on the event, at http://www.scoug.com, are to be
> commended for orchestrating a superb event. It was a class act, from
> the awesome lineup of speakers to the tiny details, such as fruit and
> cookies in the exhibit hall. For _real_ OS/2 advocacy, I'd delight in
> a discussion from some of the OS/2 users who attended, who'll take the
> opportunity to cheer about the strong sense of community.
>
> Too bad you missed Warp Expo West, Tim.

But I didn't Esther.  In fact, I'm running a variety of gossip
items on it at Warp City as we speak.  Warp City is well
represented at Warp Expo.  You just may be unaware of it
by not having authorized access.

> Too bad you've missed Warpstock, both years.

And again, you need to get your ducks (facts) in order
Esther.  You often complain of that to me.

Whether I was or was not in attendance at any of the
Warpstock events is no one's business but my own.
Warp City was well represented at both events and
will be well represented again next month.

> Too bad you were unable or unwilling to participate in the last OS/2
> user get-together in the Bay Area, Tim.

But I don't live in the "Bay Area" Esther so whether
I was willing or unwilling is irrelevant.  What is relevant
is being invited to participate in a user get-together with
a Ziff Davis reporter - of which I have no desire whatsoever.

> Too bad you didn't go to Solutions 99, where you might have gotten
> official word from IBM on several matters (including, mind you, good
> news about their developer programs).

Yet I'm not a developer.  Still we had Warp City members
present and they reported on all those 'official' words on
all those matters you refer to.  Silly us.

> Too bad you couldn't make it to the OS/2 Marketplace conference a
> couple of years ago.

How do you know I couldn't make it?  Because you couldn't
pick me out of the crowd?

> Too bad... well hey... you haven't attended ANY of the OS/2 community
> events, have you?

Yes I have.  I am in attendance -one way or another- at
all of them.

> --Esther

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"




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From: esther@bitranch.com                               19-Sep-99 19:03:24
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Credibility 

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

This discussion really belongs in comp.os.os2.advocacy; I'm pointing 
at both newsgroups at the moment so that c.o.o.m participants can 
follow it there if they choose. Followups to cooa please.

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:13:02, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
| This simply follows  Esther's recent article posted to ZDNet
| regarding OS/2 sales exceeding IBM's expectations.  Go
| back and read her article.  She offers NOT ONE verifiable
| source that can  confirm her claims.   When the article came
| out we checked our IBM sources and they were perplexed at
| her claims.  Some even laughed.  And I can say this about
| our IBM sources, they are actual IBM employees who subscribe
| to Warp City.  They have email addresses ending in ibm.com
| not ibm.net.  Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.

Tim,

Please *do* confirm your sources before you report -- or even imply --
inaccurate information. You have no idea who my sources are. 
Therefore, you have no leg on which to stand when you imply that my 
information is wrong. 

You expect the participants here to rely on _your_ credibility, 
instead.

Well, so be it. The lurkers are perfectly capable of making their own 
judgements about whose word is more reliable. (Hint: another batch of 
whining about how awful I am probably won't help your cause.)

The unfortunate truth is that IBM was no longer willing to announce 
_good_ news about OS/2 sales. The OS/2 community took the sales report
as generally good news, however, which was as I intended; I find it 
curious that you actually object to hearing positive news about OS/2 
sales. (Lurkers are welcome to speculate whether Tim thinks that good 
news about OS/2 is less important than his attempts to damage my 
credibility.)

Oh... and, unfortunately, I won't be able to make it to Warpstock this
time, as my travel schedule prohibits it. (I've been in 4 states in 
the last 7 days, and have more trips upcoming.) I hope and expect that
Warpstock's attendees will have a marvelous weekend; I wish that Bill 
and I could join them.

I attended Warp Expo West yesterday, and had a wonderful time. The 
people who put on the event, at http://www.scoug.com, are to be 
commended for orchestrating a superb event. It was a class act, from 
the awesome lineup of speakers to the tiny details, such as fruit and 
cookies in the exhibit hall. For _real_ OS/2 advocacy, I'd delight in 
a discussion from some of the OS/2 users who attended, who'll take the
opportunity to cheer about the strong sense of community.

Too bad you missed Warp Expo West, Tim.

Too bad you've missed Warpstock, both years.

Too bad you were unable or unwilling to participate in the last OS/2 
user get-together in the Bay Area, Tim.

Too bad you didn't go to Solutions 99, where you might have gotten 
official word from IBM on several matters (including, mind you, good 
news about their developer programs).

Too bad you couldn't make it to the OS/2 Marketplace conference a 
couple of years ago.

Too bad... well hey... you haven't attended ANY of the OS/2 community 
events, have you?

--Esther

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                19-Sep-99 12:20:20
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Perry McClintock <pjmccli@ibm.net> said:

>As to a Warp 5 client... I think it would more than likely be a 4.5 client...

I'd settle for the quiet release of a CD with the current fixpacks and drivers
on it.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           19-Sep-99 12:53:20
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> Bob Germer wrote:
> >
> > On <2nx43oHpvWwN092yn@visi.com>, on 09/17/99 at 11:49 PM,
> >    rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) said:
> >
> > > Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> spake
> > > unto us, saying:
> >
> > > >I think the slimeball thief who started this sad thread somehow got
hold
> > > >of the upgrade version of Warp 4 which is what those with Warp 3
received.
> > > >Unlike the OEM versions of Windoze which will only install on systems
> > > >which already have an earlier version installed, the upgrade version of
> > > >Warp 4 must find another version of Warp somewhere on the system or it
> > > >will not install.
> >
> > > The upgrade version of Warp 4 is exactly the same as the non-upgrade
> > > version of Warp 4.  I have one of each here, and the only difference I
> > > found between the two was the printing on the box.
> >
> > > Warp 3 did have a sniffer, however.
> >
> > So does Warp 4. See my other post on this subject. I not only quote the
> > system requirements from the box but tried to install it on a machine with
> > no prior (or same) version of OS/2.
> >
> 
> Bob, I personally think you encountered some different problem.  I can't
> cite my own personal experience, however, because I did have ver 3 when
> I installed.  But at the time ver 4 was first released I was active in
> IBMLink/TalkLink which was full of stories on this subject.  I feel
> sure that ver 4 has no sniffer.
> --
> Dale Erwin
> 3624 Coral Gables Drive
> Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> (214)893-8738

When I had to replace hard drives on my system a number of years ago, I
removed the one with my operating systems (it was heartily unreliable at
that point) and put in a new, in those days huge, 4 GB drive. NT had a
sniffer, partly because I had 3.5 and then the step-up to 3.51. Other
than the HPFS data volume on the remaining 2 GB drive, there were no
signs of OS/2 on the box when I put Warp 4 on it - no hitches at all
here, ie. no sniffer.

I can think of only one nominal reason to want to "crack" a trial
version, and that is not wanting to have to rebuild the desktop after a
re-install. Otherwise, if you are happy with Warp 4, it is worth the few
bucks to make it legal.
-- 

============================================================
To respond via e-mail - remove the "go-away-spammers"
portion of the Reply to: value.

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Voix:        (613) 531-8767   Cellulaire: (613) 539-0935
Telecopieur: (613) 531-8684   Email: kahnt@adan.kingston.net

References to "spam" in the above post refer to any of numerous
abuse of the Internet to repeatedly place off-topic messages in
inappropriate or unauthorised locations. The term should in no
way be construed as involving the products of Hormel Foods
Corporation.

Further, the use of the term "spam" should in no way be construed
to imply the support or involvement of Hormel Foods in conjunction
with such Internet abuse. Indeed, Hormel has publicly expressed
its disapproval of such actions.

SPAM  is a registered trademark of Hormel Foods for luncheon meat 
and is a damn fine product at that. The author of this signature
attachment has no legal, commercial or financial involvement with 
Hormel; rather, is active in the fields of copyright, trademark,
and Internet abuse analysis.

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   19-Sep-99 16:53:29
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Odour

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <PCC53oHpvGVU092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>So what essential features are missing from Warp 4 that necessitate a
>>new Warp 5 client?
>
>I want SMP support.  Badly.  I have OS/2 running on two PPro boxes with
>have a second processor socket, and additional PPro processors are well
>under $100 now.  NT, Solaris, BeOS, and Linux on the second box all do
>SMP in the client version already -- OS/2 and DOS are the only two OSes
>installed on that hardware which don't support it.
>
>I also want the OS/2 FDISK and Boot Manager fixed to recognize the new
>partitions types that Windows has been using for years.
>
>Other than that, the current Warp 4 is fine for me.

There's an odour.



Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   19-Sep-99 16:48:15
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <PCC53oHpvGVU092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>So what essential features are missing from Warp 4 that necessitate a
>>new Warp 5 client?
>
>I want SMP support.  Badly.  

>  NT, Solaris, BeOS, and Linux on the second box all do
>SMP in the client version already -- OS/2 and DOS are the only two OSes
>installed on that hardware which don't support it.
>
>I also want the OS/2 FDISK and Boot Manager fixed to recognize the new
>partitions types that Windows has been using for years.

>     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)

Let's see if I've got this straight.  We have a desperate need
for a Warp 5 client because we have six OSs installed on a 
machine, four of which support SMP and two don't, and so we 
desperately need SMP capability in one of the ones that 
doesn't.  Aha, we dropped something, also we collect OSs, and 
not so's we'd want to move towards beating the bushes for a
CP/M.

Fix OS/2 to cater to Windows?  So we should work towards 
making each of these OSs clones of the others...??  Or just 
everything clones of Windows?  All of these clones, with 
Windows, on the one machine?  (And that machine one of a 
series of identical clones of an IBM machine<==see this, now 
we must be getting somewhere in our quest to know.)

Does the poster actually _do_ anything with this machine? 
Like write a letter? What does he want to do, use the fifth 
SMP OS to write a two page letter?

>              Are you thinking politically-correct things?

8-(  The machine will kindly point its finger elsewhere.


;^)
Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  19-Sep-99 18:47:12
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: dire need of HELP!

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

> Tony Wright wrote:
>
>  >snip of great post
>
> I'm here to say your keen insight and dare I say it,
> kindness during this episode have been more than helpful,
> Tony.  I probably read your post four or five times.

I rather you didn't dare mention "kindness" it does my street cred
"sarky" image no good at all!<g>.
"4 or 5 times", is that all? - I just re-read my own 6 times and I still
can't understand the blithering crap I wrote! :-(

> After a not very entertaining 36 hours spent pulling cards,

you mean apart from the time pulling gir.... <g>...  never mind...

> changing SIMMs, running diagnostics, I'm sure everyone will
> be delighted to hear what was probably obvious from the
> start: the hard drive seems to be toast.  Fortunately, I
> guess.  And it's still under warrantee.

> snipped the reply which I did read,appreciate and
> understand(mostly<g>)......for brevity

>  Now comes the tricky part: calling up IBM and
> asking them to issue me the warranty replacement BEFORE I
> send this drive back.  I think under the circumstances I
> ought to be entitled, but you never know.
>

Hate to be a party pooper after all that effort..... but now comes an
even trickier part:
Depending on their mood IBM will run their diagnostics and/or if they
don't find anything they will possibly simply re-LLF the damn thing and
return it NFF if it holds up on their soak test...   :-(
(Too convenient to blame SCSI adapter or OS's FS perhaps if no other
explanation is readily forthcoming<g>).
Thus if you have luckily got a replacement some other unsuspecting user
will be appending on a NT forum saying that how he got a superb bargain
on a IBM recon SCSI HDD from a dealers basement bargain counter but has
recently experienced a few disconcerting BSOD's on NT<vbg> after a
couple months usuage...  :-(

So as it wasn't clear(and I did re-read your feedback 4 times<g>)
whether you had retried LLF on the suspect drive (tis worth discussing
this with Service Centre etc before attempting to return it) and/or can
re-test on another SCSI adapter or PC, then you might want to consider
these (hopefully unlikely) scenarios/alternatives?
That is before a possibly lengthy RTV/RMA cycle and it possibly end's up
back with you again anyway?
....and we all end up on that fruitless path of denigrating(or
supporting) IBM's service support again....<g>
(They were very good,excellent,superlative service when I etc....... No
I disagree, they were lousy incompetents when I....etc)

Needless to say this is a catch22 cos after checking with service
point/dealer, then 4 options present themselves:
1. They accept the drive and replace it no questions asked(we do hope so
after all that pain....<vbg>)...or
2. If they hadn't thought of it(one hopes they will<g>) they will check
with Technical that LLF will not compromise any diagnostic info and you
will LLF only to find it fails anyway and have to return it.
3.You will LLF and it will appear to fix the problem and you
successfully use the drive until precisely 1 day after warranty expires
at which time it will fail totally.......despite repeated LLF's.... and
pleas to IBM/Dealer that you were conned/previously reported error
etc..... you will join the endless queue of people pushing pins into my
wax effigy....
4. You LLF and continue using the drive flawlessly for many years until
you are forced to replace OS/2V4 with latest Win2005 as the OS/2 fat
client was no longer supported since last FP in Nov 2001(graciously
extended from May 2001 by IBM due to mass user mail campaigns)  at which
point you have far more obtuse bugs to deal with anyway!<vbg>
....and a diminutive 4.3/8Gb incredibly slow and space constrained SCSI
HDD is a pathetic comparison to your latest entry level IBM 1Tb
Holographic Optical Storage unit.....which doesn't have(nor will except
on IBM OS2V6 server) OS/2 drivers anyway.....but is absolutely essential
to contain William Gates the 4th's monolithic OS+Office Suite +
Browser/Emailer + HTMLv8 auto generator + Video Conferencing +
GPS/Kitchen utensil/Garage door interface  module  that everybody else
is using...     :-(

> Since you sort of asked -- I'm a writer (shameless in every
> sense) but around here I suppose that's like saying I use a
> computer.  (However I am marginally better at writing, and
> get well underpaid for it.)  Sometimes I'm an html slave
> (but a very "special" one!) Anyway, all this relief and joy
> on my part is obviously premature and presages nothing but
> utter disaster.  But I would like to take this opportunity
> to pretend I'm accepting a cyber-Oscar (instead of a booby
> prize of four days' straight worth of trap screens) and
> thank each and every one of you swell eggs for chipping in
> here while I was freaking: il Grecque, David Kunz, Chris the
> Hamei -- who gets a portion of the first acknowledgement for
> sensing it really was the HD losing it.  And of course
> Trevor Hemsley, I wouldn't be here if not for him -- plus
> there's Max from down Under -- and of course, you, Tony.
> <snif>  (Don't worry, I won't say you really love me.)

Phew - close call - there where a few rumours starting....<g>
Ha! - I just love the way you commended all the others and then promptly
insulted them by including me in the list as well<g>.
(Anecdote: just 4 days of trap screens Eh?......  You don't win the
"Prat of the Decade" let alone "booby prize" unless you exceed 220 hours
of diagnostic analysis,trap dumps and phone calls, 29 reloads including
FP's, Boulder Testcase WD90C24 testcase video drivers, CPU + mobo +
memory exchanged at least once - sometimes twice........ and still end
up loyally recommending Thinkpads,OS/2 and IBM service to sceptical
clients<g>......)

> I must say as far as I'm concerned this community is
> anything but marginalized or insignificant, as I saw someone
> claiming some time ago: you guys are the best, no wonder I
> spend so much time here.   Though I'm still not sure I have
> anything significant to offer about INI files, 'specially
> after you and Henk.

That's right - you dirty rat! Pose the question/challenge then "jump
ship" after you've wet yourself laughing as I drop myself right in
it.....  (but there's a sort of poetic justice  watching me getting
ceremoniously hoisted by my own petard....<vbg>)
...and a very patient Henk is valiantly attempting to decipher my obtuse
and verbose writing style while trying to impart pearls of wisdom and
clarity into the moronic convoluted neural synapses that I laughing call
my brain....<g>

> 'gards,  Ray
>
> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6

??? I tried this call sign on 1.8MHz USB and got no reply?<vbg>  Try
G4KVX and he'll relay via landline.... QSK<g>....

> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

Seriously, I do hope IBM/Dealer/Service point whoever do manage to
retain a valued and loyal customer and provide a truly working
unit/replacement/extended warranty whatever....
Good Luck...
--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"79's and 88's...."

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         19-Sep-99 19:08:19
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: Kensington Mouse-in-a-box Scroll?

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:05:22, Dale Erwin
<derwin@airmail.net> wrote:

> Mark Klebanoff wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:10:09, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John
> > Hong) wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >       Does Kensington's Mouse-in-a-box scroll mouse operate under OS/2?
> > >
> > Most mice will operate under OS/2.  I know that my Logitech trackman+
> > works under the plain old scrollms driver- even the wheel.  PS/2 mice
> > work better than serial, but most mice are ps/2 these days
> 
> What's the difference between a PS/2 mouse and a bus mouse?

The size of the connector :-)


//-------------------------
Good Luck

Bonne Chance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               19-Sep-99 12:07:11
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Tarquelne wrote:

> BTW - so many of my posts are anti-Tim Martin because I'm an
> interested OS/2 user and, while not really an OS/2 expert, I do know
> something of rhetoric and argument.  In my "expert" (a university
> degree) opinion Tim Martin is, on the subject of Stardock at least,
> an obsessed crackpot, and should stick to x.advocacy, where crackpots
> are always welcome.

I too have a substntial degree and I say the crackpot is
you.  Stardock originally entered these newsgroups back
in November planting the information in the guise of a
'wouldn't it be nice if we, Stardock, offered a Warp 5 client'
and they followed that planted bit of spam/hype to generate
Stardock hype in message after message.  Wardell knows
how to manipulate these newsgroups and those who read
it with great ease until he gets caught.  He then resorts to
petty name calling, threats of legal action and other derogatory
means to get his way.

You may not like my tactics but my intention is to protect
OS/2 and those who use it.  I don't use any other operating
system and I don't suck OS/2 users into Warp City and
entice them with Microsoft hype nor encourage them to
use anything else by using anything else (i.e., NT) to post
messages in these newsgroups.

You can't ignore it: I advocate the use of OS/2.  It is but
one OS (and supported in a very minor way) that Stardock
advocates.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"



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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      19-Sep-99 18:13:21
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: ICQ on OS/2

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <37e4532d@oit.umass.edu>,
  Jason <malstrom@wilde.oit.umass.edu> wrote:

> Well, you need to use another ICQ client to register and get a
> number.  To do this under OS/2 you have 3 things to try.  Use MICQ
> (This is the way I did it), use the Java Client, use the Windows
> version.

You don't have to do this... When you start-up, just register using the
"Register a New User" option. If this doesn't work for some reason,
*then* start looking for alternate ways.

-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                19-Sep-99 14:36:17
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: 3175 & Session identifier

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

It seems that every time I get a 3175 error it says something about "session
identifier # 21."

Is this number supposed to tell me something - especially since it seems to
always be the same number?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: whonea@codenet.net                                19-Sep-99 13:44:18
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 18:48:07
Subj: Re: dire need of HELP!

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:24:29, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net 
(Raphael Tennenbaum) wrote:

> Tony Wright wrote:
> 
>  >snip of great post 
> 
> I'm here to say your keen insight and dare I say it,
> kindness during this episode have been more than helpful,
> Tony.  I probably read your post four or five times. 
> 
> After a not very entertaining 36 hours spent pulling cards,
> changing SIMMs, running diagnostics, I'm sure everyone will
> be delighted to hear what was probably obvious from the
> start: the hard drive seems to be toast.  Fortunately, I
> guess.  And it's still under warrantee. 

Congratulations!  When skill and cunning fail, there's always brute 
force.  I would point you to Jan van Wijk's excellent DFSEE program 
for your toolkit - it's the best disk analysis tool I've found and 
includes OS/2, NT and DOS versions - free.  It's quite useful when 
confirming conclusions like this although I usually start with it. 

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: fledermaus@ibm.net                                19-Sep-99 07:56:11
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5 or a viable alternative

From: fledermaus <fledermaus@ibm.net>

Ref:     Append at 01:06:00 on 99/09/19 GMT (by
Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

I have been playing with LINUX for the past year, it is great, however,
after a few days of it I still prefer OS/2 which feels more like home.

However, in a year or two, I think LINUX will more and more feel more
like home.

"A leader who is above the law is a tyrant (e.g. Gates, Clinton)"

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From: rob@schroeder.net                                 19-Sep-99 20:35:16
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: rob@schroeder.net (Robert Schroeder)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:40:05, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) 
wrote:

> > >The caching is handled very well in spite of  it being a
> > >Java app.  It doesn't suck up too much in resources as far as  I can
tell,
> > >I mean, it is only a 91k zip file.
> 
> This is the best part. Unlike almost every other Java app I've tried, this 
> one doesn't get in the way, and doesn't seem to impact the system. But it 
> appears to release 10MB of RAM when I shut it off, not anything near 91K. A
> second session running for "garbage collection" doesn't take up any further
> resources.

Of course SmartCache needs some significant amount of RAM to work 
efficiently, in addition to it's own code size, but I think a lot of the
10MB are the Java runtime itself which unloads itself after you've 
exited SmartCache.

Cheers, Rob

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 19-Sep-99 19:25:23
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <c1.2b8.2SFJcb$0HI@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe Kovacs) writes:
>In <PCC53oHpvGVU092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
>>spake unto us, saying:
>>
>>>So what essential features are missing from Warp 4 that necessitate a
>>>new Warp 5 client?
>>
>>I want SMP support.  Badly.  
>
>>  NT, Solaris, BeOS, and Linux on the second box all do
>>SMP in the client version already -- OS/2 and DOS are the only two OSes
>>installed on that hardware which don't support it.
>>
>>I also want the OS/2 FDISK and Boot Manager fixed to recognize the new
>>partitions types that Windows has been using for years.
>
>>     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>>      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)




>Let's see if I've got this straight.  We have a desperate need
>for a Warp 5 client because we have six OSs installed on a 
>machine, four of which support SMP and two don't, and so we 
>desperately need SMP capability in one of the ones that 
>doesn't.  Aha, we dropped something, also we collect OSs, and 
>not so's we'd want to move towards beating the bushes for a
>CP/M.
>
>Fix OS/2 to cater to Windows?  So we should work towards 
>making each of these OSs clones of the others...??  Or just 
>everything clones of Windows?  All of these clones, with 
>Windows, on the one machine?  (And that machine one of a 
>series of identical clones of an IBM machine<==see this, now 
>we must be getting somewhere in our quest to know.)
>
>Does the poster actually _do_ anything with this machine? 
>Like write a letter? What does he want to do, use the fifth 
>SMP OS to write a two page letter?
>
>>              Are you thinking politically-correct things?
>
>8-(  The machine will kindly point its finger elsewhere.
>
>There's an odour.

strictly personal attacks are about as dumb and counterproductive as 
life gets, but:

flame flame flame, bad word bad word

if you've never used an smp system you have no grounds for criticizing
someone who has, and recognizes the advantages. 

if someone wishes to have a hundred and thirty six operating systems, it 
is no business of yours and nothing to be critical of.

the only two mild criticisms or the os/2 situation are *very* much to the 
point, in fact I myself have much harsher things to say about  . . well, we'll
leave that out 

grow up : rsteiner has frequently been very helpful to *many* people here,
a few quiet remarks about some obvious shortcomings have no odour at all --
probably you're smelling your own farts ? 



>;^)
>Joe Kovacs
>Guelph Ontario Canada
>
>

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               19-Sep-99 12:43:02
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Luc Van Bogaert wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:19:07 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
>
> >I believe the same Warpstock officials who held office
> >last year continue to do so.  Until that changes and until
> >Warpstock's direction from a "vendor's paradise" to
> >a "user's paradise" becomes the full focus, we have
> >no desire to prompt our membership to pay the fees
> >to gain entry.  Undoubtedly we will (Warp City) be in
> >attendance, as we have been at all previous Warpstock
> >events, but for their personal security we're simply not
> >making it known who those Warp City staffer(s) will be.
> >
>
> Jeez, all I was asking was if you were going to do a presentation over
there.... didn't want to know
> about the undercover operations you seem to be planning... :-)
>
> Luc Van Bogaert
>   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
>     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2 event of 
the year

Sorry.  My mistake.  Yes.  Someone with a Warp City
membeship will be there (if not hundreds).  We'll report
anything of significance at Warp City.  No presentation tho' -
what would we present?  Our views on Stardock? :-)
(I think they are pretty well known).

We thought about giving away Warp City T-shirts
but feared physical fist-fights might break out.
Not over obtaining them but wearing them! :-)

Tim...


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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               19-Sep-99 16:00:19
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: Credibility 

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Tim Martin wrote:
> 
> Esther Schindler wrote:
> 
> > This discussion really belongs in comp.os.os2.advocacy; I'm pointing
> > at both newsgroups at the moment so that c.o.o.m participants can
> > follow it there if they choose. Followups to cooa please.
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:13:02, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> > | This simply follows  Esther's recent article posted to ZDNet
> > | regarding OS/2 sales exceeding IBM's expectations.  Go
> > | back and read her article.  She offers NOT ONE verifiable
> > | source that can  confirm her claims.   When the article came
> > | out we checked our IBM sources and they were perplexed at
> > | her claims.  Some even laughed.  And I can say this about
> > | our IBM sources, they are actual IBM employees who subscribe
> > | to Warp City.  They have email addresses ending in ibm.com
> > | not ibm.net.  Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > Please *do* confirm your sources before you report -- or even imply --
> > inaccurate information. You have no idea who my sources are.
> > Therefore, you have no leg on which to stand when you imply that my
> > information is wrong.
> 
> You still do not provide one verifiable source in your
> article.

How ironic.

> You expect -because you believe you are the self-proclaimed queen of 
> OS/2- people to believe you.

And where is your evidence here?

> I see you only as an employee of Ziff Davis publications
> and that is not a dubious honor (at least to me).
> 
> > You expect the participants here to rely on _your_ credibility,
> > instead.
> 
> Some do some don't.  I use OS/2.  I manage the largest
> private OS/2-only subscription site on the 'Net.  My
> credibility is just as good as anything you spread around.

You also encourage piracy and leeching of OS/2 software, and try to
encourage OS/2 ISV's to halt their production of OS/2 software and give it
away for free.  You also lie about Stardock "advertising" the "new OS/2
client."  Your credibility is very much in question here.

> > Well, so be it. The lurkers are perfectly capable of making their own
> > judgements about whose word is more reliable. (Hint: another batch of
> > whining about how awful I am probably won't help your cause.)
> 
> No, just another stab at how persecuted you want people
> to think you are because someone questions the credibility
> of one of your writings.

How ironic seeing how you persecute an OS/2 ISV because they called you on
lies about their own company.

> Apparently OS/2 users are to never question what Esther writes.

Are we to blindly believe you, Tim?

> > The unfortunate truth is that IBM was no longer willing to announce
> > _good_ news about OS/2 sales. The OS/2 community took the sales report
> > as generally good news, however, which was as I intended; I find it
> > curious that you actually object to hearing positive news about OS/2
> > sales. (Lurkers are welcome to speculate whether Tim thinks that good
> > news about OS/2 is less important than his attempts to damage my
> > credibility.)
> 
> I don't object at all if it is presented with some kind of
> verfiable backup.

How ironic.

> I object to you reporting it at this
> precarious time - with Warpstock just around the corner.
> You are not an official member of the Steering Committee
> but it is understood you wield considerable weight.
> 
> Write an article to make  OS/2 users feel good about how
> well OS/2 is doing and it is sure to increase Warpstock
> ticket sales where OS/2 users will get a chance to meet
> the self-proclaimed queen of OS/2  - and isn't your
> husband offering some sort of programming seminar?
> Oh wait, don't we also have a SMACK product to promote?

Who's "we" Tim?  I thought you weren't going.
 
> > Oh... and, unfortunately, I won't be able to make it to Warpstock this
> > time, as my travel schedule prohibits it. (I've been in 4 states in
> > the last 7 days, and have more trips upcoming.) I hope and expect that
> > Warpstock's attendees will have a marvelous weekend; I wish that Bill
> > and I could join them.
> 
> Gee, I don't think this news has been disseminated to
> the masses just yet.  Many folks believe you will be
> there based on all your previous postings.  I assume
> from what you say above that Bill will not be providing
> his seminar either.
> 
> > I attended Warp Expo West yesterday, and had a wonderful time. The
> > people who put on the event, at http://www.scoug.com, are to be
> > commended for orchestrating a superb event. It was a class act, from
> > the awesome lineup of speakers to the tiny details, such as fruit and
> > cookies in the exhibit hall. For _real_ OS/2 advocacy, I'd delight in
> > a discussion from some of the OS/2 users who attended, who'll take the
> > opportunity to cheer about the strong sense of community.
> >
> > Too bad you missed Warp Expo West, Tim.
> 
> But I didn't Esther.  In fact, I'm running a variety of gossip
> items on it at Warp City as we speak.  Warp City is well
> represented at Warp Expo.  You just may be unaware of it
> by not having authorized access.

If they're so well represented, then how come no one knows they're there?

> > Too bad you've missed Warpstock, both years.
> 
> And again, you need to get your ducks (facts) in order
> Esther.  You often complain of that to me.

How ironic.

> Whether I was or was not in attendance at any of the
> Warpstock events is no one's business but my own.

Pulling a den Beste?

> Warp City was well represented at both events and
> will be well represented again next month.

But no one will know it.

> Yes I have.  I am in attendance -one way or another- at
> all of them.

And I was in attendence at Woodstock this year because a few skin flakes
came off of me as I drove past it in my car.

- Marty

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               18-Sep-99 23:42:06
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Jeffery Swagger wrote:

> In <37E2FDF9.6356DA4D@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>
writes:
> >Dale Erwin wrote:
> >
> >
> >OS/2 did not die today.  Stardock's desire to provide
> >a Stardock version of Warp 5 died - as it should have.
> >
> >OS/2 belongs to IBM.  They will release a Warp 5 when
> >something in the marketplace comes close to matching
> >OS/2's stability, power and quality.  Nothing Microsoft has
> >issued or offered to date comes near OS/2.
> >
> >It has been obvious for months now that Stardock would
> >never be able to provide their own Stardock version of OS/2.
> >It has also been obvious since last November that Stardock
> >has used this "we want to bring you a Stardock Warp 5
> >product" hype as a Stardock PR vehicle.  IBM has rightly
> >said no to Brad Wardell.
> >
> >Stardock  made their fortune from a few OS/2 products.
> >Today they develop applications only for the Microsoft
> >operating systems.  Stardock continues to sell their faded
> >OS/2 products to fund their Windows software development
> >rather than do as other OS/2 software vendors have done
> >with class and style and release their OS/2 products for
> >free download.
> >
> >Stardock can now publicly cry 'whoa is us, IBM says no'
> >and can officially move off to Microsoft.   We can only hope
> >they do that sooner than later and stop dragging their feet
> >for sympathy (and publicity) from the OS/2 community.
> >
> >Best of luck to them.  OS/2 is alive, well and still doing the
> >job it was designed to do.
> >
>
> Tim, you are once again, being a jerk.  Your insane hatred of Stardock
> is really clouding your thinking.  A Stardock marketed fat client was an
> excellent idea and is, and was, a win-win for everybody; IBM, Stardock
> and customers alike.  Since you seem incapable of seeing anything but
> red where Stardock is involved, let me tell you what is really going on.
>

Please don't Jeff.  My irritation with Stardock is that they have
misused these newsgroups for the last eleven months to hype
a vaporware product for one purpose:  to hype Stardock and
Stardock alone.

Stardock's support of OS/2 is so poor it is ridiculous.  IBM knows
this.  IBM said no to Stardock's half-hearted attempt to obtain
a Warp 5 client.

That's what has happened.  IBM hasn't killed OS/2.  IBM hasn't
deserted OS/2.  IBM has simply said no to Stardock.  Plain
and simple.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               18-Sep-99 23:52:27
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Perry McClintock wrote:

> Tim Martin wrote:
>
> > Dale Erwin wrote:
> >
> > > Luc Van Bogaert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:13:02 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Look for Esther (and her husband) at Warpstock.
> > > >
> > > > Tim,
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you come to Warpstock? You now you've been invited.
> > > >
> > > > Luc Van Bogaert
> > > >   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
> > > >     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2
event of the year
> > >
> > > Why bother... OS/2 died today.
> > > --
> > > Dale Erwin
> > > 3624 Coral Gables Drive
> > > Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> > > (214)893-8738
> >
> > OS/2 did not die today.  Stardock's desire to provide
> > a Stardock version of Warp 5 died - as it should have.
> >
>
>   You are correct os/2 is not dead... but is on the way out?

Says whom?  OS/2 users continue to use it.  True, Stardock
doesn't use it but Stardock has offered very little support of OS/2.
Stardock needs their OS/2 customers to move to the Microsoft
operating systems so they can buy the Stardock Windows products.
That's where Stardock is coming from.

> .. no IFs  or Buts... best on
> the market or not...  no new client,

It took three years between Warp 3 and Warp 4.  Warp 4 is just
two years old and still surpasses anything Microsoft offers.
Just because you don't get a new upgrade each year is a
blessing, not a curse as so many of you have been ingrained
to believe.

> only server at $1,600+ a pop...

What are you going to get in a Warp 5 client that you can't
already get with Warp 4 and FixPak 11 - the ability to run
Office 2000?  Not gonna happen - EVER!  And what self-respecting
OS/2 user would want OS/2 to have such an ability?  You?

> currently I think you
> can only get fixpaks 38+ (for warp version 3) or somewhere around there for
the server unless
> you cough up the money for the FP...  how long do you think it will take to
do the same with
> OS/2 Warp Version 4... Fixpak 25, fixpak 35, or soon after the first Fixpak
for OS/2 for
> e-bussiness??  What do your insiders say is the magic cut off date?? And,
when this occurs
> you, them, us on the outside, will only have server being updated...  So you 
got your copy of
> OS/2 for e-bussiness Server??   I know I tried to install a fixpak and got
the update
> error...
>

So what are you going to do if IBM releases a Warp 5 client next
year (year 2000)?  Claim all of your previous whining was a mistake?
What's wrong with 35 fixpaks?  Warp 3 users are happy to have
them.  As long as those fixpaks update my Warp 4 system I don't
give a damn if they issue a hundred of them - especially if they
do it for free!  I don't need to run the server version of OS/2 to
run my business - the Warp 4 client does it better than anything
Microsoft is offering to date.

> As to a Warp 5 client... I think it would more than likely be a 4.5
client... that is what
> the os2krnl is in OS/2 for e-bussiness... would have been nice to see...

I'm running Warp 4.11 - that's good enough for me.  If it isn't good
enough for you then buddy, chuck it and move to Microsoft.  See
how well you do there.  But don't come crawling back here in three
months whining about how bad that operating system is and how
much it cost you to maintain.  I personally don't want to hear it.

> So what does this leave for us... Linux... Even IBM has ported DB2 to
Linux... what does your
> IBM insiders have to say about this???
>

It leaves us with a fine Warp 4 operating system.  Get OVER this
idea that somehow the Jones's (Microsoft lackeys) have somehow
surpassed you.  They are not the Jones's - they are the Kmarts of
this world.  Slap on a little bright paint, give it a new name and it
still comes down to a GUI sitting atop DOS and nothing more.

> > Tim Martin
> > The OS/2 Guy
> > Warp City
> > http://warpcity.com
> > "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
>
> Sorry to the group I have not been reading the news group for sometime, just 
stopped in to
> see what everyone had to say about the bad news with SD and the client.. I
just had to add my
> $.02.   I will now crawl back into my dark cold hole...

No, no, please don't.  Step out more often but take a look around
at what you have and realize it is the best there is.  Anything else
is a bitter disappointment.  If you are running OS/2 you are driving
the Rolls Royce of desktop operating systems.  Don't let all those
lemon colored three-wheeled Hyundai's convince you otherwise.




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From: news@fenrir.demon.co.uk                           19-Sep-99 07:45:26
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: PRINT01.SYS vs BIDI driver.

From: "Brian Morrison" <news@fenrir.demon.co.uk>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:22:00 +0100, Steve Drewell wrote:

>What's the difference between the parallel port driver contained in the
>BIDI package on IBM's online device driver website and the PRINT01.SYS
>driver which comes with Warp 4?
>
>In discussions about inkjet printers, I've seen references to the BIDI
>driver. Does the BIDI driver offer any advantages over PRINT01.SYS if one
>is using a laser printer?
>

It depends on the printer. In most cases no, but if the printer
requires bidirectional comms then you need bidi. I had huge problems
with my Lexmark 5770 (a paper feeding and ink spraying device really)
because the driver needs to know what the print heads are doing, no
bidi and it can't.

I think some of the Lexmark Optras need bidi as well, even the ones
with postscript.


-- 
Brian Morrison                                       news@fenrir.demon.co.uk

               to reply, change address from 'news' to 'bdm'

 ...Grim faced, cold as fishwife's fingers, he snatched from the wall
 the sickle-sharp boar tusks he used for defacing Readers' Digest....


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From: ckh@hknet.com                                     19-Sep-99 20:53:05
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: CD R/W drives

From: ckh@hknet.com (Oliver Chung)

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In article <37df9c6f$1001$opuna$mr2ice@news1.ibm.net>,
bchan@ibm.net (Bernard Chan) wrote
>Does anybody have experience using the Acer CD ReWriter (CDRW 4432A)?

>Generally, what drivers or software are needed to make CD R/W drives work
>under OS/2?

I just bought a Ricoh 7040S drive with an Iwill SIDE-2930C SCSI
adapter, works great with CDRecord/2.  Total cost ~US$270.  Written 4
CDs so far without any problem, and I did a 56k ftp download while
writing a CD.

I did some research prior and came to the conclusion that I can either
buy SCSI CD R/W drives to work with CDRecord/2 (free), or I can buy a
cheaper IDE CD R/W drives (~US$60 cheaper) to work with RSJ (US$189). 
I decided to go SCSI.

The Ricoh 7040S is listed in the supported list in CDRecord/2, and the
Iwill adapter is said to be "Adaptec 2930C compatible" by the store
(Adaptec 2930C driver is available in IBM's site).  Surprisingly, the
Iwill adapter comes with native OS/2 drivers (and also drivers for
Linux, SCO, ..., etc).

______
Oliver Chung
> My opinions are my own <                      >  Happy Warp user <
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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 19-Sep-99 15:53:00
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
spake unto us, saying:

>>>So what essential features are missing from Warp 4 that necessitate a
>>>new Warp 5 client?
>>
>>I want SMP support.  Badly.  
>
>Let's see if I've got this straight.  We have a desperate need
>for a Warp 5 client because we have six OSs installed on a 
>machine, four of which support SMP and two don't, and so we 
>desperately need SMP capability in one of the ones that 
>doesn't.

I said I "want" SMP support, not "need".  :-)  I've lived without it
for quite a while, and I can continue to live without it.

However, it seems that even freeware OSes are providing this support,
and serioous competitors to IBM like Sun are making SMP-capable OSes
(like Solaris) available to developers and noncommercial users for a
very small fee (under $20 in the US).

IBM is falling behind almost everyone else in this area, and it would
be nice to be able to take advantage of my SMP hardware.

In response to the original question: there really isn't anything that
the users of a given OS actually "need" -- an alternative approach to a
given problem is always available, even if it involves having to use
another OS and purchase all new software.

>Fix OS/2 to cater to Windows?  So we should work towards 
>making each of these OSs clones of the others...??  Or just 
>everything clones of Windows?  All of these clones, with 
>Windows, on the one machine?

Not sure where you get this.  Windows is not the paragon of OSes, even
brain-dead desktop OSes, and I'm certainly not interested in seeing all
OSes gravitate towards becoming the same thing.

That would rather defeat the purpose of playing with them, no?  :-)

I just want OS/2 to catch up to Solaris, FreeBSD, Linux, and the BeOS.

>Does the poster actually _do_ anything with this machine? 
>Like write a letter? What does he want to do, use the fifth 
>SMP OS to write a two page letter?

That machine is my play-around-with-operating-systems machine (used to
do something called "learning" which you might have heard about at some
point), as well as the machine I use to dial into work to get at the
mainframes (I don't have Windows NT installed on my primary box).

The other three machines I have here are largely frivolous, but that's
my perogative as a PC hobbyist.  I work seriously with computers at my
workplace, but I choose to play with them at home.  I'm also learning
quite a bit about setting up various OSes and networking them together,
so it's not totally nonconstructive.  Just mostly.  :-)

>>              Are you thinking politically-correct things?
>
>8-(  The machine will kindly point its finger elsewhere.

Oops!  :-)  Er...  Machines have fingers?  ;-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                  Boycott shampoo.  Demand the REAL poo.

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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              19-Sep-99 22:20:02
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


Richard Steiner wrote:
> 
> >So what essential features are missing from Warp 4 that necessitate a
> >new Warp 5 client?
> 
> I want SMP support.  Badly.  I have OS/2 running on two PPro boxes with
> have a second processor socket, and additional PPro processors are well
> under $100 now.  NT, Solaris, BeOS, and Linux on the second box all do
> SMP in the client version already -- OS/2 and DOS are the only two OSes
> installed on that hardware which don't support it.
> 
    For $300 you can subscribe to IBM's developer's Connection (Advanced
subscription) and download Warp Server for e-business (WSEB), which
gives you SMP. Plus you can get a mountain of other stuff as well. The
download is huge, though: approx 2GB across several files.
    That just leaves DOS...


-- 

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: maths@cix.compulink.co.uk                         20-Sep-99 06:56:00
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: ICQ on OS/2

From: maths@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Mather)

In article 
<4EF28117E88F59ED.C0854EFB8927E492.6CA72D802469C1E5@lp.airnews.net>, 
derwin@airmail.net (Dale Erwin) wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if ICQ can be used under OS/2?  If so, where do you
> get it?
> -- 
> Dale Erwin
> 3624 Coral Gables Drive
> Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> (214)893-8738
> 

The Java version works.  Download from http://www.icq.com


David

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 19-Sep-99 18:28:28
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Richard Steiner wrote:
> 
>> I want SMP support.  Badly.  I have OS/2 running on two PPro boxes with
>> have a second processor socket, and additional PPro processors are well
>> under $100 now.  NT, Solaris, BeOS, and Linux on the second box all do
>> SMP in the client version already -- OS/2 and DOS are the only two OSes
>> installed on that hardware which don't support it.
>> 
>For $300 you can subscribe to IBM's developer's Connection (Advanced
>subscription) and download Warp Server for e-business (WSEB), which
>gives you SMP. Plus you can get a mountain of other stuff as well.
>The download is huge, though: approx 2GB across several files.

Interesting.  That s a lot more affordable than the server at retail
price.  :-)

What are the usage limitations of the server obtained in this manner
(if any)?  Time to wander over to IBM's site and do some research...

>    That just leaves DOS...

...which I'm not really concerned about.  :-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           Choose heaven for climate, hell for society.

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                20-Sep-99 08:12:09
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 03:38:12
Subj: Re: dire need of HELP!

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:24:29 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>But I would like to take this opportunity...and
>thank each and every one of you swell eggs for chipping in
>here while I was freaking: il Grecque...

Thanks Ray and good luck sorting stuff out, I hate those
reinstall/restore cycles myself.  Hope you get stuff on the road
again soon. 


Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: admin@hotmail.com                                 20-Sep-99 04:55:22
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 03:38:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:04:04, farmer@NOSPAMnetnet.net (Mark Framness) 
wrote:

> Hi there.
>
> Did you see this b4?  I'm using a new NG client.
>
> How many of you have worked with OS/2 in a banking environment?  I spent
> the last weekend and the last couple of days doing a bank conversion all to
> OS/2!  Their banking application was called Argo Wizard.  Anyone know of
> that?  I didn't deal too much with application end but quite a bit in
> setting up the systems, testing them and so on.

My bank (the one I patronize, I don't own any) uses OS/2.  It is
Washington Mutual

Edmond Dantes
phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             20-Sep-99 05:35:22
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 05:19:28
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: jsjones@selectric.net

I knew WAMU had started converting the new parts of their system to OS/2, but 
thought IBM might have moved them over to NT. But, I guess not. I recently 
sent an email to their online banking about problems I was having with
Netscape 
4.61b2. Much to my surprise, the response was that they had taken my problem 
to IBM and it was being worked on. Only an OS/2 user would know to take a 
browser problem to IBM and not Netscape. (And, only a major client would get 
such quick action from IBM...)


In <dxKndd8YehcW-pn2-KgwGxkkHy0cw@cx342824-a.dt1.sdca.home.com>,
admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes) writes:
>My bank (the one I patronize, I don't own any) uses OS/2.  It is
>Washington Mutual
>
>Edmond Dantes
>phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com


selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  20-Sep-99 05:44:24
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: Caching (and a little Netscape)

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) said:
> >I've got a Russian proggie called Dos Navigator that's one of the
> >best shells I've ever seen
>
> Hm, howitzer?  Mortar?  Artilliary?

Ahh - so that explains what HEAP size means - (High Explosive Armour
Piercing) ....<g>

> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.

--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"




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From: rlwalsh@packet.net                                20-Sep-99 08:46:04
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: rlwalsh@packet.net (Rich Walsh)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:07:22, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> Tarquelne wrote:
> 
> > BTW - so many of my posts are anti-Tim Martin because I'm an
> > interested OS/2 user and, while not really an OS/2 expert, I do know
> > something of rhetoric and argument.  In my "expert" (a university
> > degree) opinion Tim Martin is, on the subject of Stardock at least,
> > an obsessed crackpot, and should stick to x.advocacy, where crackpots
> > are always welcome.
> 
> I too have a substntial degree and I say the crackpot is
> you.  Stardock originally entered these newsgroups back
> in November planting the information in the guise of a
> 'wouldn't it be nice if we, Stardock, offered a Warp 5 client'
> and they followed that planted bit of spam/hype to generate
> Stardock hype in message after message.  Wardell knows
> how to manipulate these newsgroups and those who read
> it with great ease until he gets caught.  He then resorts to
> petty name calling, threats of legal action and other derogatory
> means to get his way.
> 
> You may not like my tactics but my intention is to protect
> OS/2 and those who use it.

No it isn't, Tim.  Your intention is to be the William Randolph Hearst
of our small world by starting a war to boost your sagging circulation.

When Brad came around doing quick and dirty market research, you
immediately took a hostile stance and posted 10 questions for Stardock.
The next 6 weeks were newsgroup hell as you attacked one after another
for spreading Stardock fud when in fact they were responding to your
10 questions.  Then came a brilliant maneuver:  after Tim Sipples
started posting requests to "take this to advocacy", you suddenly
got "responsible" and started doing likewise.  Anyone who tuned in
late got to see a reasonable guy apparently being attacked for having
an opinion.  "Gee, I wonder what his website is like...".

For years, I applied the psychiatric model to your case, figuring that
when you were on a rampage it was because your lithium had run out.
But then I realized I was wrong when you made the same mistake that
many petty criminals do:  you bragged about it.  You told us how you
had 237(?) new membership requests and were still counting.  Suddenly,
I understood:  it was the journalistic model that applied.

It's long been one of my favorite personal observations that when
people make false or misleading accusations against others, they
usually accuse their victims of things that they themselves would do.
Your description of Brad's misdeeds fits your conduct to a "T".
It's amazing (in retrospect) to discover how transparent you are.

Neither I nor most others begrudge you your website.  Indeed, I've
profited from it:  the computer I'm using now was given to me by
Warp City/Tim Martin's biggest fan (he loves ya) - even after I'd
called Tim a crackpot several times.  How did he find me?  DragText
was featured on Warp City's pages, leading him to discover that there
was another OS/2 user in Ft Myers.  Thank you, Tim.

But after all is said and done, I, for one, still feel abused by the
tactics you've used in these groups to keep Warp City going.  I wish
you would take your strongly held beliefs to your own domain, as your
nemesis, Mr Wardell has done.  Friendly advice for newcomers, OTOH,
is always welcome, regardless of tagline or .sig


> I don't use any other operating
> system and I don't suck OS/2 users into Warp City and
> entice them with Microsoft hype nor encourage them to
> use anything else by using anything else (i.e., NT) to post
> messages in these newsgroups.
> 
> You can't ignore it: I advocate the use of OS/2.  It is but
> one OS (and supported in a very minor way) that Stardock
> advocates.
> 
> Tim Martin
> The OS/2 Guy
> Warp City
> http://warpcity.com
> "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
> 
> 
> 

   == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
___________________________________________________________________

		|             - DragText v3.1 -
Rich Walsh	|  A Distinctly Different Desktop Enhancement
Ft Myers, FL	|  New!  Pickup & Drop for text, and more...
		|  http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/
___________________________________________________________________


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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               20-Sep-99 09:51:23
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham) wrote:

>> IBM's point of view seems, still, to be "Avoid popular use of OS/2 at
>> all costs.  Stick with high dollar business versions."
 
> To me, all indications are that IBM wants to get rid of the high dollar
> business versions, too, but some of their big customers won't let them. 
> It's quite possible that Aurora was developed only because one or more
> really big customers insisted.

Makes the idea of forming an OS/2 SOHO/Users buying (and thus now
pressure) group all the more interesting. If it works for them, why not for
us?

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
---
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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    20-Sep-99 05:52:21
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: Shadow question

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <q6mF3.827$F3.187528704@news.frii.net>,
"John E. Jones" <jejs@verinet.com> wrote:
>I am new to OS/2(3.0), and I need some help with shadows. Coming from Win9x,
>I try to relate these to shortcuts, but they do not appear to be the same.
>First, how do you know which icon is a shadow, and which one it not? or does
>it matter? If you delete either one, will the other get deleted also? If yes
>to the previous question, then how do you just get rid of one of them?

It's been a while since I've worked with Warp 3, but on W4 the shadows
have a slightly different appearance.  ie the text is gray, rather 
than white.  However, that is an option that can be changed.  Also 
when you right click on the icon, you'll see "original" as one of the 
possible selections.  Deleting a shadow will only delete the shadow. 
Deleting the original deleles it and the shadows. Changing the 
contents of the shadow or original will change both.

The shortcut in Windows would be closer to a program object than a 
shadow, but nowhere near as powerful.  There is no equivalent of 
shadows in Windows.



-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    20-Sep-99 05:52:23
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 10:50:27
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <5GX53oHpvCIP092yn@visi.com>,
rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) wrote:
>
>Interesting.  That s a lot more affordable than the server at retail
>price.  :-)
>
>What are the usage limitations of the server obtained in this manner
>(if any)?  Time to wander over to IBM's site and do some research...

I believe the license limits you to personal use on the development
system/LAN.

--
**************************************************************
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*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     20-Sep-99 06:57:08
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:03:58, "Allen Cogbill" <acogbill@ibm.net> woke 
up with a head full of whiskey and wrote:

> Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
> Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
> out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:
> 
> Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
>                  C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
>                  D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
>                  E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8
> 
> Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
>                  G: (logical)     HPFS
> 
> Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
>                  /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
>                  /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
>                  /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
>                  /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)
> 
> I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp
(maintenance),
> Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux 

> partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
> Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
> this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
> experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.
> 
I have almost the exact same setup, except I'm using Linux-Mandrake 
6.0, and I get 'garbage' (an L and then nonstop 0 1 01) every time I 
attempt to boot to the Linux partition, but as with yours, using the 
'rescue' disk works.  Adding LILO didn't help.  I even tried using an 
old copy of System Commander, but I got the same results.

It did point me in the direction of what I hope is the solution.  
System Commander documentation reports that Linux can only be 
installed in the 0 or 1 drive, any partition.  I'm going to attempt to
repartition my second drive and install the main Linux area there, and
see if it works.

If you come up with another solution, it would be greatly appreciated.

J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
******************
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
*******************

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From: cytan@fnal.gov                                    20-Sep-99 13:59:11
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 14:52:05
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problems

From: cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan)

In message <Ej0w7lFo08Zw-pn2-80SdZr8HBFdw@pluto.dwparsons.dialin.t-online.de>
- dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons) writes:
:>:>What does the precheck line in \os2\install\current.log say?
:>
:>Since I did not see your earlier posts, could you tell us a bit more
:>about your current setup and also what you have already tried.
:>
:>-- 
:>Dave
:>

I've deleted the FI.INI and FI.BAK file from the OS2/INSTALL directory. And
here
is the CURRENT.LOG file contents:


09-20-1999   8:55:41 AM Java11 :: User Exit Session 'CMD.EXE /C
"D:\tmp\ja\en\..\precheck.cmd 230691 D:\tmp\ja\en"' ended with return code 0.
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM Toolkit :: CallDLLThread -- The temp var is set
to:[RESOLVEVAR]
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM Toolkit :: CallDLLThread --
UserExitDLL:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM Toolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Loaded
:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM Toolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Undefine the temporary
var...
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM Toolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Inform parent thread we're
done
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM TlktDoc :: CallDLLThread -- The temp var is set
to:[RESOLVEVAR]
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM TlktDoc :: CallDLLThread --
UserExitDLL:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM TlktDoc :: CallDLLThread -- Loaded
:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM TlktDoc :: CallDLLThread -- Undefine the temporary
var...
09-20-1999   8:55:55 AM TlktDoc :: CallDLLThread -- Inform parent thread we're
done
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM Samples :: CallDLLThread -- The temp var is set
to:[RESOLVEVAR]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM Samples :: CallDLLThread --
UserExitDLL:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM Samples :: CallDLLThread -- Loaded
:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM Samples :: CallDLLThread -- Undefine the temporary
var...
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM Samples :: CallDLLThread -- Inform parent thread we're
done
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM SwingToolkit :: CallDLLThread -- The temp var is set
to:[RESOLVEVAR]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM SwingToolkit :: CallDLLThread --
UserExitDLL:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM SwingToolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Loaded
:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM SwingToolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Undefine the
temporary var...
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM SwingToolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Inform parent thread
we're done
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM RMIIIOPToolkit :: CallDLLThread -- The temp var is set
to:[RESOLVEVAR]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM RMIIIOPToolkit :: CallDLLThread --
UserExitDLL:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM RMIIIOPToolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Loaded
:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM RMIIIOPToolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Undefine the
temporary var...
09-20-1999   8:55:56 AM RMIIIOPToolkit :: CallDLLThread -- Inform parent
thread we're done
09-20-1999   8:56:00 AM Java11 :: CallDLLThread -- The temp var is set
to:[RESOLVEVAR]
09-20-1999   8:56:00 AM Java11 :: CallDLLThread --
UserExitDLL:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:56:00 AM Java11 :: CallDLLThread -- Loaded
:[D:\tmp\ja\en\..\userexit.dll]
09-20-1999   8:56:00 AM Java11 :: CallDLLThread -- Undefine the temporary
var...
09-20-1999   8:56:00 AM Java11 :: CallDLLThread -- Inform parent thread we're
done


I hope you can compare it with your's to see what my problem is. This problem
is getting really weird because I've never had any problems installing
previous
versions of Java.

Thanks for any pointers!

Cheng-Yang Tan

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From: libraryhalt@spamstots.edu                         20-Sep-99 15:29:09
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: juvenaly <libraryhalt@spamstots.edu>


rj friedman wrote:

> It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so
> many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the
> Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that
> the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were
> not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business
> plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to
> entrust OS/2 to Stardock?
> ________________________________________________________

Good point. Consider this too, which can be said in Big Blue' defense:
For years we've heard criticism of certain companies (guess which ones?)
for "vaporware" -- talking, for strategic reasons, about software they
had not yet released, and sometimes had no intention to release. IBM, in
refusing to divulge its plans, avoids this questionable practice. Which
makes sense, too -- because plans can always change.

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 20-Sep-99 20:05:05
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37E68B0E.5F083C53@spamstots.edu>, juvenaly <libraryhalt@spamstots.edu>
writes:
>
>
>rj friedman wrote:
>
>> It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so
>> many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the
>> Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that
>> the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were
>> not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business
>> plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to
>> entrust OS/2 to Stardock?
>> ________________________________________________________
>
>Good point. Consider this too, which can be said in Big Blue' defense:
>For years we've heard criticism of certain companies (guess which ones?)
>for "vaporware" -- talking, for strategic reasons, about software they
>had not yet released, and sometimes had no intention to release. IBM, in
>refusing to divulge its plans, avoids this questionable practice. Which
>makes sense, too -- because plans can always change.
>

let's not make a virtue out of this : when AJ Watson was head of IBM they
*invented* the practice of 'vaporware', to the extent that the Department
of Justice had to take them to court, do the old smoke-filled room trick. 
For many years IBM *couldn't* engage in the odious practice they'd invented
entirely because of consent decrees and injunctions - not 'cuz they're lovely 
folks. Seems funny that they'd get hoist on their own petard, actually . . .

honest communication seems to be beyond the abilities of *any* of 
these people.


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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                20-Sep-99 16:59:09
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

Jason Bowen wrote:
> 
> Yeah you are free to belive whatever you want to make yourself feel
> better.  OS/2 out of the box right now can't install on most modern
> hardware and yet you find this ok,

Yes, you do need to install the readily available IBM1s506 update. 
Pretty complex operation though, exploding a file and copying to
diskettes!

> the fixpack method is just fine with you.

A lot finer than:

a. denying there is a problem
b. finally silently fixing it
c. having the gall to sell it

> Not providing an updated client that can install out of the box on
> a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to adoption
> to me.  You can actually order machines pre-loaded with Linux now that MS
> is under the gun but IBM isn't interested in pushing OS/2 as a pre-load
> but this is ok with you.

Who is going to preload a system that is not currently for sale.  It has
been some time since IBM removed 4.0 (client) from its salesmanual.  The
real trick seems to be just finding a box with Warp 4 in it, let alone
installed on some piece of (current) hardware.  Maybe they should
preload Warp 4.5 server for those who would like to use it... that would
only add $1400 to the cost of a system, I'm sure there is a large market
for that preload.

If IBM were to "push" an updated preload, ala MSoft, they would have to
be willing to spend many hundreds of millions of (US) $$ on installation
aids, testing (on some representative set of current (and non-current)
hardware to verify proper operation and compatibility).  How many
"onesy" customers do you suppose you would have to sell to to break even
on $2-500,000,000.?  And the large corporate customers wouldn't care. 
Their systems are either doing what they were intended to (if OS/2).

How about spending another $500Mil on a good Win32 interface... that
should get microsoft to rapidly move to windows-64!

I would say someone would have to make a hellacious good business case
to make ANYONE want to bring out (and support) a new OS/2.  The customer
(quantity) is simply not there.

> IBM won't makes vague ambigous statements about OS/2 but this is ok with
you.

Better than vague, ambiguous statements about Windows that only turn out
to be vague and ambiguous when you try to install and run it.

Who knows, with a little effort MS may come up with an update that won't
even let you shutdown... that should really boost productivity.  Oops,
they've been there and done that... so much for selling tested code.

Ron

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                19-Sep-99 22:31:12
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: PRINT01.SYS vs BIDI driver.

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 Steve Drewell wrote:

> What's the difference between the parallel port driver contained in the
> BIDI package on IBM's online device driver website and the PRINT01.SYS
> driver which comes with Warp 4?

> In discussions about inkjet printers, I've seen references to the BIDI
> driver. Does the BIDI driver offer any advantages over PRINT01.SYS if one
> is using a laser printer?

It makes my LJet 5L beginning to print faster.
If it works for you, don't forget to set the read-only flag for
\OS2\DLL\PARALLEL.PDR. Otherwise it will be overwritten by the next FixPak
installation, because the file is older.

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               20-Sep-99 23:27:11
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: Os/2 and sound and video

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Andrew Hodgson schrieb:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I wish to run os/2 on a new machine with a soundblaster 128 pci and an
> ati rage pro graphics card.  (Everything else has drivers).  I cannot
> find such drivers on any sights, do any of you know of existing
> drivers, or drivers that are known to work with such configurations??

Have a look at IBMs latest GRADD drivers or Scitech's Display Doctor for
the ATI card. I think it's supported by the GRADD drivers.
Do you happen to know which chipset the Soundblaster is using? Maybe
there's a generic driver for it that you can get from the chip
manufacturer.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: brhenry@kw.igs.net@kw.igs.net                     20-Sep-99 22:15:05
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: Imation IDE Super Disks and OS/2

From: brhenry@kw.igs.net@kw.igs.net

In <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-Vdm0sQXweCCG@localhost>, wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)
writes:

>On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:39:41, Andrew Cannon <cannon@sonic.net> wrote:
>I did not try the above, but I can confim that the LS120 seems slower 
>than a floppy for just about anything.
> 
>
>It crashes constantly.  It is very annoying to use, bordering on 
>unusable.
>
>
>Is the only thing that works with any semblance of reliability.
>
>
>When you factor in the disk thrashing, the read/write mistakes, and 
>the slowness, I would have to agree, only because it really can't get 
>much worse.
>
>Anyone contemplating the purchase of an LS-120 drive for OS/2 should 
>(in my opinion) look elsewhere, unless you are positive you will be 
>content to use it exclusively in a command line environment.
>
>I really have no way of knowing if it is the hardware itself or the 
>driver, but for whatever reason, it simply doesn't work acceptably.  
>My personal guess is that it IBM's driver is the culprit.  I can see 
>no other way to explain double directory entries and ten minute file 
>copies with hard disk thrashing.
>

You probably need to disable bus mastering for the IDE controller that you
your
LS120 is attached to.  The following lines are from my config.sys and my
LS120 works perfectly for me in any environment.

rem The parameters "/A:1 /!BM" below are needed to disable busmastering on the 
secondary
rem IDE controller so that the LS-120 can work properly.
rem The "IBMATAPI.FLT" statement is to enable the support for the LS-120.
BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD /V /A:1 /!BM

+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
Bruce Henry    +     File Freedom - PM file manager for OS/2
Red Paint      +     Find your freedom on the internet!
Software       +    http://www.kw.igs.net/~brhenry

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 18:01:20
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>I dont know about this.  I keep hearing a lot of noise in general
>about how hard OS/2 is to install on 'new' hardware but as a system
integrator
>and assembler, I just don't see it.

Remember, not everyone can nor should have a long history of doing the
process. 
The very fact that you do it all the time means you aren't an average user.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: rhb@accessv.com                                   20-Sep-99 21:46:19
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: "Rob Burton" <rhb@accessv.com>

The dollars came from Microsoft in the form of lower Windows preloads fees.
IBM admitted in the trial that they abandoned further OS/2 clients for the
sake of better licensing fees for Windows preloads.
They didn't renounce the deal, they just admitted it.

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:43:22 GMT, Mooo wrote:

|letoured@sover.net wrote:
|
|>>>Just because IBM doesn't want to lose control of OS/2 does not mean that
OS/2
|>>>is dead.  You people read FAR too much into this.
|>>We haven't seen a lot from IBM to support this conclusion.
|>
|>And...  No one in all these threads seems to be looking at the BIG
|>PICTURE. -- A new OS2 client at this point would offer considerable proof
|>to the Gates/MS claim that there is competition, and that they do not have
|>a monopoly because OS2 is alive and well.
|
|Yes, there is a lot to be said for this idea.
|
|However, IBM generally is not talking, and when by some odd chance
|they do say something, or something leaks out, its universally
|negative.
|
|This causes and has caused a great deal of FUD (yeah, the real thing
|Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) amoungst a userbase which for several
|years has felt very alone and unloved.
|
|The idea you present is a possible reason, but I feel not really
|plausible.  Huge damages might be won, but even these would pale
|compared to the revenue lost due to stiffing so many of your loyal
|clients over the years and into the future.
|
|It would almost smack of 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' in
|fact.
|
|Anyway, this might all turn out for the best in the end.  If this type
|of fear does not bring the OS/2 community together, and have everyone
|with an interest reaching into their wallets to see what can be done
|then nothing will ever move them.  
|
|If this was going to happen (apathy) then its better to kill the
|patient in a relatively quick way and not let it die slowly and
|horribly over the next few years taking far too many small/medium
|businesses with it.
|
|Its not so much Judgement Day I guess, more of a Watershed Day.  All
|those who want to be counted, stand up, and let the counting begin.  
|
|Should a united financial face appear to umbrella the unwanted
|end-users of OS/2 then I suspect OS/2 will in fact have a very bright
|future indeed.  Imagine being a shareholder of one of the largest OS/2
|directorates?  The users need a driver?  Right, lets get the team onto
|the job.  Someone call IBM and let them know we need a new kernal for
|Warp 6...heh
|
|These days the world is small, globalization is in, companies are
|bigger then national governments, and the only thing guarenteed to
|make the Captains of these corporate ships sit down and take notice of
|you is to front them with a fist full of dollars :-)
|
|Craig 
|
|
|
|



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From: Frank@get-lost.spam                               20-Sep-99 23:16:29
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: Frank@get-lost.spam (Frank)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:07:55, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.

No gun laws will cure any overpopulation, just like drugs do.

Frank 

The box said:"Requires Windows 95/98, NT or better" .......... So I 
too installed OS/2.


Reply per Email to franklyware@-NOSPAM-beer.com

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From: Frank@get-lost.spam                               20-Sep-99 23:12:03
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Frank@get-lost.spam (Frank)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:59:19, Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com> wrote:

> If IBM were to "push" an updated preload, ala MSoft, they would have to
> be willing to spend many hundreds of millions of (US) $$ on installation
> aids, testing (on some representative set of current (and non-current)
> hardware to verify proper operation and compatibility).  How many
> "onesy" customers do you suppose you would have to sell to to break even
> on $2-500,000,000.?  And the large corporate customers wouldn't care. 
> Their systems are either doing what they were intended to (if OS/2).
> 
> Ron

If they had been doing this from the beginning, the costs wouldn't be 
so high !!
IBM has a lot to catch up with if the go pushing os/2 in the market as
a consumer
product against the redmond gadget.


Frank

The box said:"Requires Windows 95/98, NT or better" .......... So I 
too installed OS/2.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 18:17:26
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Craig Benbow <benbowc@tui.lincoln.ac.nz> said:

>Of course you can install OS/2 on a drive bigge than 8.4 megs.  All thats
>needed is updated install disks!

Precisely.  That and how many other things have to be fritzed around with to
make it somewhere near up to date and functional?  Which is why guru, nerd,
computer genius, hackers love OS/2 and ordinary users tolerate it.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 17:51:04
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

letoured@sover.net said:

>If I was sitting in IBM would I want to give the farm away now -- When
>somewhere down the line there could be a ruling against MS

Somewhere down the line?  When MS loses?  Is that what is holding OS/2 back? 
This is supposed to convince me that IBM is wringing their hands, just dying
to
release a Warp 5 client?  Or - by then - WARP 2010?

If I had any money I'd bet it all that IBM won't make OS/2 what it COULD be
even
if MS does lose.  Mean while the OS/2 community goes begging for an
installable
version of it.  Of course we all must remember that the suits at IBM cry
themselves to sleep over it - each and every night.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            20-Sep-99 19:49:13
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: forgitaboutit@fake.com (David H. McCoy)

In article <7s5gr6$edj@peabody.colorado.edu>, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu 
says...
>Yeah you are free to belive whatever you want to make yourself feel
>better.  OS/2 out of the box right now can't install on most modern
>hardware and yet you find this ok, the fixpack method is just fine with
>you.  Not providing an updated client that can install out of the box on
>a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to adoption
>to me.  You can actually order machines pre-loaded with Linux now that MS
>is under the gun but IBM isn't interested in pushing OS/2 as a pre-load
>but this is ok with you.  IBM won't makes vague ambigous statements about
>OS/2 but this is ok with you.
> 
>In article <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-tv6oMprbUwW0@t205-157.dialup.seed.net.tw>,
>rj friedman <rjf@yyycomasia.com> wrote:
>>It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so 
>>many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the 
>>Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that 
>>the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were 
>>not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business 
>>plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to 
>>entrust OS/2 to Stardock?
>>
>>________________________________________________________
>>
>>[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
>>rj friedman          Team ABW              
>>Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 
>>
>>To send email - remove the `yyy'
>>________________________________________________________
>>
>
>
>

Welcome to the world of OS/2 advocacy. 

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 18:23:22
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Barry Bryan" <bbarry@us.ibm.com> said:

>:>OS/2 can't install on a hard drive greater than 8.4 megs.

>It was just as well that I didn't know that when I installed on a 20GB drive.
>   Of course I did have to turn LBA on in the BIOS.

Straight out of the box.  Right?  If IBM had a completely up to date CD and
someone else didn't, people would say IBM was "with it" and that other someone
was in the dark ages.  As it is, IBM is the one who is behind.  You can make a
call with a dial telephone.  But how would it go over if all phones were dial
phones that came with instructions for changing them to push button?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                20-Sep-99 13:27:07
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:19:20, Britton Robbins 
<brobbin2@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

îSo what!
¯
îI personally am glad that IBM did not license out OS/2.
îIt's fine if people like the Stardock products but I, for one, prefer the
simplicity
îof the standard Workplace Shell on Warp4...

îJust because IBM doesn't want to lose control of OS/2 does not mean that OS/2 
is
îdead.  You people read FAR too much into this.


I guess I am going to be guilty of a ME TOO post, but here 
goes anyway. I agree with you 100%.


îI just read an article from the same ZDNet that some other person was quoting
î"OS/2's dead" articles dating back to 1997.   The article I read was dated
September
î2, 1999 by Esther Schindler titled "Shhh!, OS/2 is selling better than
expected"


îDan Casey wrote:
¯
î> Well, like it or not, here's the scoop from Brad:

Well, judging from past behavior, the `scoop' from Brad is 
bound to be an extremely one sided portrayal of whatever did
or did not take place. Whatever IBM's reasons were for not 
wanting to deal with Brad and Stardock, you can be sure that
you won't learn them from Brad's `scoop'.



________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    20-Sep-99 14:38:27
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-rOWfnvEiKSwT@t205-157.dialup.seed.net.tw>,
rj friedman <rjf@yyycomasia.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 03:20:23, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca
>(John Hong) wrote:
>
>¯... If anything, I think a few people are reading 
>¯too much into OS/2's success...
>
>I don't know about that. OS/2's success in the enterprise 
>means that I will continue to get the fixpacks/updates that 
>have been coming at me - for free, I might add - as a result
>of the trickle down. Plus all the business productivity 
>software that I need to earn my living - for free, or next 
>to it.

Makes it a pain to install on new hardware heh?  Why doesn't IBM care
about that?

>
>
>¯ I mean, OS/2 makes money for IBM and IBM 
>¯only...
>
>I don't know about that, either. As a small business user, 
>OS/2 makes money for ME - and quite nicely, thank you.
>
>
>¯I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing Corel porting their 
>¯WordPerfect suite over to OS/2....
>
>We've already got two suites - one of which is absolutely 
>free - that are just as functional as anything else out 
>there. We don't NEED Corel to port their WordPerfect suite 
>over to OS/2 in order to be productive.
>
>
>¯I don't see RealPlayer for OS/2.  I 
>¯don't see Civilization being ported over to OS/2...
>
>As a business user, I don't care about RealPlayer for OS/2, 
>much less about Civilization (or any other games). If those 
>things are important to you, then OS/2 (alone) is not the OS
>for you. As such, you can either dual boot (if there are 
>still some aspects of OS/2 you would rather not give up), or
>switch to something else altogether. Either way - because 
>OS/2 is successful in the enterprise - it will make no 
>difference to the continued viability of OS/2.
>
>
>¯In fact, if anything 
>¯we're losing ISV's.  Innoval and TrueSpectra are the two latest 
>¯casualties...
>
>In both cases, there is no way that either one could compete
>with the free products that are filling their niches. Two 
>fully featured Java base mailers were recently released - 
>both of them for free, for example. It's too bad - I feel 
>that Innoval's and Dan Porter's contributions were top 
>notch. But they are (IMO ) the first in a series of victims 
>to the new paradigm in software that will take place across 
>all the platforms.
>
>¯As long 
>¯as OS/2 remains a minor niche role for IBM, I fear we will lose more and 
>¯more OS/2 ISV's...
>
>I don't think this is a phenomenon strictly limited to OS/2.
>There is a paradigm shift going on in the way software is 
>conceived of and delivered - i.e., free (mostly), over the 
>internet. Because OS/2 is on the edge, it feels the pinch 
>first. But make no mistake, this will happen to all of the 
>platforms over the next 5 years.
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________
>
>[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
>rj friedman          Team ABW              
>Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 
>
>To send email - remove the `yyy'
>________________________________________________________
>


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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    20-Sep-99 14:42:11
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-dOJMFqXMieD2@t205-157.dialup.seed.net.tw>,
rj friedman <rjf@yyycomasia.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:19:20, Britton Robbins 
><brobbin2@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
>¯So what!
>¯
>¯I personally am glad that IBM did not license out OS/2.
>¯It's fine if people like the Stardock products but I, for one, prefer the
simplicity
>¯of the standard Workplace Shell on Warp4...
>
>¯Just because IBM doesn't want to lose control of OS/2 does not mean that
OS/2 is
>¯dead.  You people read FAR too much into this.

Grab a nice new machine with a 13 gig hard drive and other assorted new
hardware and install that copy of V4 without having to jump through hoops.
Why would someobody put their head in the sand and not believe that
something is up if IBM doesn't care about installing out of the box on new
hardware?

>
>
>I guess I am going to be guilty of a ME TOO post, but here 
>goes anyway. I agree with you 100%.
>
>
>¯I just read an article from the same ZDNet that some other person was
quoting
>¯"OS/2's dead" articles dating back to 1997.   The article I read was dated
September
>¯2, 1999 by Esther Schindler titled "Shhh!, OS/2 is selling better than
expected"
>
>
>¯Dan Casey wrote:
>¯
>¯> Well, like it or not, here's the scoop from Brad:
>
>Well, judging from past behavior, the `scoop' from Brad is 
>bound to be an extremely one sided portrayal of whatever did
>or did not take place. Whatever IBM's reasons were for not 
>wanting to deal with Brad and Stardock, you can be sure that
>you won't learn them from Brad's `scoop'.

Yeah because Brad wants OS/2 to die right?  He is trying to get IBM to put
a modern client out and they don't want to and you people find this good.
Did you all suffer abuse as a child?

>
>
>
>________________________________________________________
>
>[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
>rj friedman          Team ABW              
>Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 
>
>To send email - remove the `yyy'
>________________________________________________________
>


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                20-Sep-99 14:12:18
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Why blame IBM?

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so 
many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the 
Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that 
the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were 
not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business 
plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to 
entrust OS/2 to Stardock?

________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    20-Sep-99 14:37:13
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

Yeah you are free to belive whatever you want to make yourself feel
better.  OS/2 out of the box right now can't install on most modern
hardware and yet you find this ok, the fixpack method is just fine with
you.  Not providing an updated client that can install out of the box on
a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to adoption
to me.  You can actually order machines pre-loaded with Linux now that MS
is under the gun but IBM isn't interested in pushing OS/2 as a pre-load
but this is ok with you.  IBM won't makes vague ambigous statements about
OS/2 but this is ok with you.
 
In article <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-tv6oMprbUwW0@t205-157.dialup.seed.net.tw>,
rj friedman <rjf@yyycomasia.com> wrote:
>It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so 
>many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the 
>Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that 
>the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were 
>not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business 
>plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to 
>entrust OS/2 to Stardock?
>
>________________________________________________________
>
>[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
>rj friedman          Team ABW              
>Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 
>
>To send email - remove the `yyy'
>________________________________________________________
>


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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 20-Sep-99 17:49:20
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen) wrote:

>Yeah you are free to belive whatever you want to make yourself feel
>better.  OS/2 out of the box right now can't install on most modern
>hardware and yet you find this ok

What?  Oh god!  I must be out of business then.  

What pray tell stops you installing OS/2 on a modern well equiped
quality x86 PC?


>, the fixpack method is just fine with
>you.

You don't fix any other OS?


>  Not providing an updated client that can install out of the box on
>a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to adoption
>to me.

You've done this with NT I gather?  I mean, NT with no fixes applied?


>  You can actually order machines pre-loaded with Linux now that MS
>is under the gun but IBM isn't interested in pushing OS/2 as a pre-load
>but this is ok with you.  IBM won't makes vague ambigous statements about
>OS/2 but this is ok with you.

Bleah, IBM.  They are really a manufacturer masquerading as a high end
reseller.  If you're parents are idiots does that mean you're a dunce?
Not necessarily, and certainly not so of OS/2.


Craig

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 13:10:04
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman) said:

>Has it not occurred to anyone that 
>the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were 
>not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business 
>plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to 
>entrust OS/2 to Stardock?

So is that why IBM has no interest in small users?  Gimme a break.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: andrew@hodgsons.freeserve.co.uk                   20-Sep-99 18:11:27
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Os/2 and sound and video

From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsons.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi,

I wish to run os/2 on a new machine with a soundblaster 128 pci and an
ati rage pro graphics card.  (Everything else has drivers).  I cannot
find such drivers on any sights, do any of you know of existing
drivers, or drivers that are known to work with such configurations??

Tia.
Sincerely,
Andrew.

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         20-Sep-99 18:04:01
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:04:04, 
farmer@NOSPAMnetnet.net (Mark Framness) 
wrote:

> Hi there.
> 
> Did you see this b4?  I'm using a new NG client.
>  
> How many of you have worked with OS/2 in a banking environment?  I spent 
> the last weekend and the last couple of days doing a bank conversion all to
> OS/2!  Their banking application was called Argo Wizard.  Anyone know of 
> that?  I didn't deal too much with application end but quite a bit in 
> setting up the systems, testing them and so on.
>  
> I can now call myself an "OS/2 Pro"!

Here in Canada,as far as I know, all the
banks use OS/2, and those I saw are at 
least at Warp 3

//-------------------------
Good Luck

Bonne Chance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 20-Sep-99 17:43:11
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:22
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

letoured@sover.net wrote:

>>>Just because IBM doesn't want to lose control of OS/2 does not mean that
OS/2
>>>is dead.  You people read FAR too much into this.
>>We haven't seen a lot from IBM to support this conclusion.
>
>And...  No one in all these threads seems to be looking at the BIG
>PICTURE. -- A new OS2 client at this point would offer considerable proof
>to the Gates/MS claim that there is competition, and that they do not have
>a monopoly because OS2 is alive and well.

Yes, there is a lot to be said for this idea.

However, IBM generally is not talking, and when by some odd chance
they do say something, or something leaks out, its universally
negative.

This causes and has caused a great deal of FUD (yeah, the real thing
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) amoungst a userbase which for several
years has felt very alone and unloved.

The idea you present is a possible reason, but I feel not really
plausible.  Huge damages might be won, but even these would pale
compared to the revenue lost due to stiffing so many of your loyal
clients over the years and into the future.

It would almost smack of 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' in
fact.

Anyway, this might all turn out for the best in the end.  If this type
of fear does not bring the OS/2 community together, and have everyone
with an interest reaching into their wallets to see what can be done
then nothing will ever move them.  

If this was going to happen (apathy) then its better to kill the
patient in a relatively quick way and not let it die slowly and
horribly over the next few years taking far too many small/medium
businesses with it.

Its not so much Judgement Day I guess, more of a Watershed Day.  All
those who want to be counted, stand up, and let the counting begin.  

Should a united financial face appear to umbrella the unwanted
end-users of OS/2 then I suspect OS/2 will in fact have a very bright
future indeed.  Imagine being a shareholder of one of the largest OS/2
directorates?  The users need a driver?  Right, lets get the team onto
the job.  Someone call IBM and let them know we need a new kernal for
Warp 6...heh

These days the world is small, globalization is in, companies are
bigger then national governments, and the only thing guarenteed to
make the Captains of these corporate ships sit down and take notice of
you is to front them with a fist full of dollars :-)

Craig 




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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 20-Sep-99 17:26:22
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:22
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen) wrote:

>Makes it a pain to install on new hardware heh?  Why doesn't IBM care
>about that?

I dont know about this.  I keep hearing a lot of noise in general
about how hard OS/2 is to install on 'new' hardware but as a system
integrator and assembler, I just don't see it.

In fact, I'd go the other way and say that its never been easier to
install OS/2.  You should have seen me frothing at the mouth with
frustration back in '95 trying to get Warp 3 Red Spine to install!

A lot depends on hardware choice.  If you choose carefully, and buy
quality kit, it nearly always works.  

I don't consider patching the boot diskettes much of a hassle as far
as installation goes.


>>¯ I mean, OS/2 makes money for IBM and IBM 
>>¯only...
>>
>>I don't know about that, either. As a small business user, 
>>OS/2 makes money for ME - and quite nicely, thank you.

Yes, I'd agree with this.


>>¯I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing Corel porting their 
>>¯WordPerfect suite over to OS/2....

Have you seen Wordperfect 8 for Linux?  You're not missing much.
SO5.1 is a much better product.


>>We've already got two suites - one of which is absolutely 
>>free - that are just as functional as anything else out 
>>there. We don't NEED Corel to port their WordPerfect suite 
>>over to OS/2 in order to be productive.

After the looong wait I was very very dissapointed with Smartsuite/2
If this is what you get when you cough up AU$400.00 I'll just stick
with cheap/free ware thanks (Staroffice)...incidently, anyone used the
Win32 version of SS?  Its crap too.  I can't believe Lotus isn't broke
if this is the best they can do.


>>¯I don't see RealPlayer for OS/2.  I 
>>¯don't see Civilization being ported over to OS/2...
>>
>>As a business user, I don't care about RealPlayer for OS/2, 
>>much less about Civilization (or any other games). If those 
>>things are important to you, then OS/2 (alone) is not the OS
>>for you.

Yep.  Windows95 (not 98 or NT) is the primary gaming/novelty/passtime
OS by far.  Market share in this arena must be close to 100%

Nothing anyone does will change this juggernaught now thats its
steaming ahead.  Business is another matter entirely though.


Craig

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From: blnelson@visi.net                                 20-Sep-99 14:01:13
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:22
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Bennie Nelson <blnelson@visi.net>

Jason Bowen wrote:
> 
> In article <37E65EEA.2C021FD2@visi.net>,
> Bennie Nelson  <blnelson@visi.net> wrote:
> >Jason Bowen wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah you are free to belive whatever you want to make yourself feel
> >> better.  OS/2 out of the box right now can't install on most modern
> >> hardware and yet you find this ok, the fixpack method is just fine with
> >> you.  Not providing an updated client that can install out of the box on
> >> a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to adoption
> >> to me.  You can actually order machines pre-loaded with Linux now that MS
> >> is under the gun but IBM isn't interested in pushing OS/2 as a pre-load
> >> but this is ok with you.  IBM won't makes vague ambigous statements about
> >> OS/2 but this is ok with you.
> >
> >Windows 9x couldn't and can't install on many systems without tweaking
> >the install diskette.  Why?  CDROM not supported.
> 
> We are talking about OS/2 and current hardware.  Win98 and NT seem to be
> getting preloaded. I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not
> supporting hardware.  NT booted from my cdrom drive just fine same with
> 98.  The EIDE standard hasn't changed much in the last several years.

OS/2 works with hardware that is current.  I have built brand new systems
with recently released off-the-shelf components, this year.  No problems.

Windows 95, on the other hand, did not fare so well.

> 
> >
> >Windows NT v4 won't install completely on my Dell Pentium Pro desktop
> >system.  Why?  Some of the hardware is not supported.
> 
> Can you buy NT pre-installed?  How does the support compare to current
> hardware and what does this say about IBM's view of OS/2?

I am responsible for a number of NT systems (all on Dell PCs) that came
with NT partially installed.  That is the way they were configured by
Dell.  The subsequent completion of the installs met with mixed success.

That's one thing I've noticed about Windows: if at first you don't
succeed, try the install again.  Without making any changes.  And
sometimes that works.  Problem is: one definition of insanity is
doing the same thing again and expecting different results.

> 
> >
> >Is this a flaw?  I really don't think so.  There are so many choices
> >that the install routines become too cumbersome and complex.  When MS
> >released Win 95B, they did not provide shrink wrapped copies for sale.
> >Why?  Because MS did not want to handle the support calls for the
> >users trying to install it on their home systems.
> 
> OS/2 can't install on a hard drive greater than 8.4 megs.  It doesn't have
> basic support for current hardware but I do see Windows getting pre-loaded
> on all kinds of new hardware, how about you?  How do you know the reason
> for not releasing Win95B?  Do you have a reference?

This was reported back when the version was released.  That version was
only available with a purchase of a motherboard, hard drive, or pre-installed.
I don't have time to look up any references, but I had to purchase several 
copies from authorized MS resellers and all of them told me the same story.

I couldn't get Windows 95 or OS/2 to use an 8.4 gb (I'm sure you meant that
instead of "megs").  I decided the motherboard was the problem (recent mb
from ASUS using an Intel chipset) and bought a brand new board.  Both OSes
could then use the whole drive.  So, the problem isn't always the OS.

Besides, the OS/2 install diskette can easily modified to provide support
for hard drives larger than 8.4 gb.

> 
> >
> >>
> >> In article <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-tv6oMprbUwW0@t205-157.dialup.seed.net.tw>,
> >> rj friedman <rjf@yyycomasia.com> wrote:
> >> >It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so
> >> >many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the
> >> >Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that
> >> >the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were
> >> >not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business
> >> >plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to
> >> >entrust OS/2 to Stardock?
> >> >
> >> >________________________________________________________
> >> >
> >> >[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it.
> >> >rj friedman          Team ABW
> >> >Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com
> >> >
> >> >To send email - remove the `yyy'
> >> >________________________________________________________
> >> >
> >

Bennie Nelson

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From: fmesnier@dial.oleane.com                          20-Sep-99 18:20:22
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:22
Subj: Already use hyper file ?

From: Franck Mesnier <fmesnier@dial.oleane.com>

Hi

Is there someone who has already used Hyper File for OS/2, it's a database 
engine used under Dos, but there's equally exists equally under OS/2 ?

Thanks

-----------------------------------
From the OS/2 WARP v4 fp10
Desktop of Franck MESNIER
34140 LOUPIAN
FRANCE
fmesnier@dial.oleane.com
ICQ : 26368765
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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         20-Sep-99 17:57:03
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:22
Subj: New keyboard ??

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,

I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
those available here, they all come with
keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
i would like to know if those keyboard 
will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
is any use for those buttons 

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk                              20-Sep-99 18:59:24
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:22
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)

I seem to have stirred things up a bit more than I expected - hope none of you
suffer high blood pressure ;-)

Richard has some good points - As he says he's a PC hobbyist and if he wants
to play around with different OS and SMP all well and good.  It's certainly a
good point the SMP versions of OS/2 always seem to have been one version
behind the current single processor release.  FWIW my next project to to put
together a Linux machine and network it with my 2 OS/2 machines and a Win95
portable - these things keep us off the streets :-)

Many people have said that it is time that there is a refresh of Warp - not a
new version but perhaps 4.1 to include large HD friendly installation and all
the current fixpacks.

IBM really should give clear statement to its SOHO users saying how it intends
to look after these issues now that the Stardock option has been ruled out.
  
In message <+Hh53kDg6ROJ090yn@ibm.net> - dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) writes:
:>
:>In article <5GX53oHpvCIP092yn@visi.com>,
:>rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) wrote:
:>>
:>>Interesting.  That s a lot more affordable than the server at retail
:>>price.  :-)
:>>
:>>What are the usage limitations of the server obtained in this manner
:>>(if any)?  Time to wander over to IBM's site and do some research...
:>
:>I believe the license limits you to personal use on the development
:>system/LAN.
:>
:>--
:>**************************************************************
:>*  Dan Casey                                                 *
:>*  President                                                 *
:>*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
:>*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
:>*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
:>*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
:>*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
:>*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
:>**************************************************************
:>*  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
:>**************************************************************



Jim Backus - Electronic Systems Engineer - OS/2 user by choice
 - member of Amnesty International
 - supporter of Proportional Representation
Bona fide  replies to jimb (at) jita dot demon dot co dot uk

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From: Frank@get-lost.spam                               20-Sep-99 23:11:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Installing fixpack with RSU

From: Frank@get-lost.spam (Frank)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:44:30, engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston) 
wrote:

> Well, I thought I'd give Warp 4 one last chance and put the most recent
> Fixpack on it. That's FP9 for me (UK English), so I tried the RSU 
> installation.
> 
> First problem: > 
> Second problem. > 
> Third problem. > 
> Has anyone any bright ideas about how I might either
> a) persuade os2serv to do its stuff
>  b) make use of the stuff I have downloaded with some other fixpack applier?
> 
> Ian

Ian,

I use QuickFiix.
With this you can apply your fixpaks from your harddisk !!!!

Download the fixpaks, run qf.cmd , reboot and "apply".
If the fixpak is worse then expected, you can even "backout"

If you want it : http://members.xoom.com/franklyware
Click the monitor on the launchbar en scroll my config overview upto 
the installed sys files.
There it is.

Good luck and 

Greeeeetings,


Frank


The box said:"Requires Windows 95/98, NT or better" .......... So I 
too installed OS/2.


Reply per Email to franklyware@-NOSPAM-beer.com

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From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au                    21-Sep-99 00:51:20
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Shadow question

From: peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)

John E. Jones <jejs@verinet.com> wrote:
>I am new to OS/2(3.0), and I need some help with shadows. Coming from Win9x,
>I try to relate these to shortcuts, but they do not appear to be the same.
>First, how do you know which icon is a shadow, and which one it not? or does
>it matter? If you delete either one, will the other get deleted also? If yes
>to the previous question, then how do you just get rid of one of them?

I've had to answer this question so many times that I created a web
page with the answer.  Take a look at
      http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au/os2/concepts.html
The section you want is called "desktop objects", but I'd like to
urge you to read the whole lot; I believe you'll be more comfortable
with OS/2 once you have the background information.

Anyway, the brief answer is that Win9x shortcuts aren't a good model
to start with.  The OS/2 Workplace Shell - the thing that displays
your desktop, among other things - has objects called "shadows" and
also objects called "program objects", and neither of them is quite
like a shortcut.  Shadows are certainly good things to have, but
you'll want to understand program objects to get the real power of
the OS/2 desktop.

Suggestion: take a file you can afford to lose - for example, make a
copy of one of your EXE files and put it into a temporary directory -
and then make both a shadow and a program object for it.  Take a 
look at the Settings notebook for all three things.  Try moving the
three things to different directories, deleting them, etc., and
see what happens.  (You might have a few accidents along the way,
which is why you should start with a file you can afford to lose.)
Notice how the Settings of the shadow and program object change as
you move around the original file.  A bit of experimentation can
teach you a whole lot more than any amount of explanation.

(Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day.  Give him a stick of
dynamite, and you'll get a village covered in dead fish.)

-- 
Peter Moylan                                         peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: COSMICDEMON@prodigy.net                           20-Sep-99 20:29:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Adding 2nd HardDrive for OS/2

From: "JENNIFER L CARTER" <COSMICDEMON@prodigy.net>

 Hello, I am a current win95 user, but I have a copy of os/2 warp v.3 that I
would like to install. I am pretty good with computers I have installed
basic things like and backup tape drive, memory, modems, video ect.... The
one thing I have never done is installed a Hard Drive. I decided the way I
want to OS/2 v.3 to my present system (PII 233, 64 mb, 4.3 gig) is to add
another Hard drive not a big one , 500- 1000 mb. I do not want to partion my
present hard drive, adding a second HD is the way I want to go. I have a 386
DX system with DOS, OS/2 warp already installed on the IDE Hard Drive. Since
I am going to use an IDE connection, is it possible for me to take the HD
out of the 386 and put it in my PII 233 system. The way I have set my
computer up is I have a (4.3 gig HD Primary MASTER, CD-ROM drive PRIMARY
SLAVE, and A BACKUP TAPE DRIVE SECONDARY MASTER). The way i though I would
be able to add the other HD would be as a SECONDARY SLAVE. I have the cables
and hookups to do it but how do Install the HD. I know how to hook it up
inside the computer properly, after that do I just turn it on and set it up
in BIOS to get it working, would I have to mess with WIN 95 to? I have never
installed a HD before but I have installed many other things. Information on
how to install and set it up, and if it would work not would be much
appreciated!! Please e-mail me at

                                                Dsgv40a@prodigy.com


                                                            THANK YOU!!


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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            20-Sep-99 18:40:08
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: XFree86 and 127.0.0.1 Loopback

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

I'm trying to setup XFree86 so I can try GIMP/2 but I can't seem to 
get the 'localhost' 127.0.0.1 setup as loopback.  I've tried using 
'INETD' and 'IFCONFIG lo 127.0.0.1 up' and also tried to use the 
TCP/IP notebook but when I run tcpcfg2 it won't let me in because the 
host (127.0.0.1) is not responding.  Ping seems to work OK.

I have TCP/IP 4.1 with WR08620 installed and Java 1.1.8 installed.
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990605 (JIT enabled:
javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-19990605)"

Any ideas how to get the 'localhost' responding.  I know virtually 
nothing about TCP/IP configuration so be gentle.  ;-)  Any help would 
be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            21-Sep-99 02:51:24
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

Doesn't WSEB do SMP ?

Regards,
Tim

Richard Steiner wrote:

> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >>>So what essential features are missing from Warp 4 that necessitate a
> >>>new Warp 5 client?
> >>
> >>I want SMP support.  Badly.
> >
> >Let's see if I've got this straight.  We have a desperate need
> >for a Warp 5 client because we have six OSs installed on a
> >machine, four of which support SMP and two don't, and so we
> >desperately need SMP capability in one of the ones that
> >doesn't.
>
> I said I "want" SMP support, not "need".  :-)  I've lived without it
> for quite a while, and I can continue to live without it.
>
> However, it seems that even freeware OSes are providing this support,
> and serioous competitors to IBM like Sun are making SMP-capable OSes
> (like Solaris) available to developers and noncommercial users for a
> very small fee (under $20 in the US).
>
> IBM is falling behind almost everyone else in this area, and it would
> be nice to be able to take advantage of my SMP hardware.
>
> In response to the original question: there really isn't anything that
> the users of a given OS actually "need" -- an alternative approach to a
> given problem is always available, even if it involves having to use
> another OS and purchase all new software.
>
> >Fix OS/2 to cater to Windows?  So we should work towards
> >making each of these OSs clones of the others...??  Or just
> >everything clones of Windows?  All of these clones, with
> >Windows, on the one machine?
>
> Not sure where you get this.  Windows is not the paragon of OSes, even
> brain-dead desktop OSes, and I'm certainly not interested in seeing all
> OSes gravitate towards becoming the same thing.
>
> That would rather defeat the purpose of playing with them, no?  :-)
>
> I just want OS/2 to catch up to Solaris, FreeBSD, Linux, and the BeOS.
>
> >Does the poster actually _do_ anything with this machine?
> >Like write a letter? What does he want to do, use the fifth
> >SMP OS to write a two page letter?
>
> That machine is my play-around-with-operating-systems machine (used to
> do something called "learning" which you might have heard about at some
> point), as well as the machine I use to dial into work to get at the
> mainframes (I don't have Windows NT installed on my primary box).
>
> The other three machines I have here are largely frivolous, but that's
> my perogative as a PC hobbyist.  I work seriously with computers at my
> workplace, but I choose to play with them at home.  I'm also learning
> quite a bit about setting up various OSes and networking them together,
> so it's not totally nonconstructive.  Just mostly.  :-)
>
> >>              Are you thinking politically-correct things?
> >
> >8-(  The machine will kindly point its finger elsewhere.
>
> Oops!  :-)  Er...  Machines have fingers?  ;-)
>
> --
>    -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>      OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>                   Boycott shampoo.  Demand the REAL poo.

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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            21-Sep-99 02:59:14
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Hursley Java News Groups @ ncc.hursley.ibm.com

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

Looks OK now.

Regards,
Tim

Ron Vopicka wrote:

> Does anyone know what happened to ncc.hursley.ibm.com?
>
> Used to follow java news there, but for the last several days, I haven't
> been able to reach it from here.  Did they overdose on caffeine?
>
> Ron

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From: Frank@get-lost.spam                               20-Sep-99 23:12:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Frank@get-lost.spam (Frank)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:29:19, juvenaly <libraryhalt@spamstots.edu> 
wrote:

> Good point. Consider this too, which can be said in Big Blue' defense:
> For years we've heard criticism of certain companies (guess which ones?)
> for "vaporware" -- talking, for strategic reasons, about software they
> had not yet released, and sometimes had no intention to release. IBM, in
> refusing to divulge its plans, avoids this questionable practice. Which
> makes sense, too -- because plans can always change.
> 

Or in other words : the plan was to trow in the towel and stop 
developing.
(not even "vaporware")

Frank

The box said:"Requires Windows 95/98, NT or better" .......... So I 
too installed OS/2.


Reply per Email to franklyware@-NOSPAM-beer.com

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 00:44:04
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <7s6ifq$lg4$5@news.hawaii.edu>,
Dave Tholen <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> wrote:
>Jason Bowen writes:
>
>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting hardware.
>
>I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
>out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>the HCL.
>

I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
Warp on new hardware.

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 00:47:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <7s6id2$lg4$4@news.hawaii.edu>,
Dave Tholen <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> wrote:
>Jason Bowen writes:
>
>> OS/2 out of the box right now can't install on most modern hardware
>
>What do you consider "modern hardware", Jason?  I installed OS/2 out
>of the box on a Pentium II 400 MHz machine, 256 MB of memory, and a
>monitor running at 1600x1200x24bits.  It has ultra-wide SCSI drives,
>a CD rewriteable, audio, ethernet card...
>

What do you think the chances are of walking into a random computer store,
grabbing a random piece of hardware, and having support for it under
Linux, Windows 9x/NT or OS/2?  OS/2 out of the box can't install on
EIDE hard drive over 8.4 gigs unless it is patched.  How many DVD
drive/decoder combinations have support under OS/2?

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                20-Sep-99 19:38:22
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

Frank,

I think you missed my not-to-clearly-made point.

If ANYONE is going to bring out a new release of an operating system,
they go thru alpha and beta tests, concurrently every piece of code is
regression tested.  If there are 150k different configuration
possibilities with varying pieces of hardware, you have to assembly a
(large) statistical representation of those systems to do ALL of your
testing on.  You have lots of people involved in test, you have customer
engineers involved for maintainability, you have more and more people
involved that you can not even imagine.  You house the people and
equipment and it all comes to big cubic bucks!

And they did do it from the beginning... with every release.  People
lose sight of the fact that when software goes into maintenance mode you
don't get the same level of testing you do with a new full-blown version
(Microsoft being a relatively obvious exception to that rule).

And you are right, that all comes to a lot of catch-up IF you thought
you were going to make a profit with that OS in competition with MS (or
others).

But they aren't going to make and REAL money on it.  They don't have the
applications.  MS corralled those very adeptly.

Ron

Frank wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:59:19, Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com> wrote:
> 
> > If IBM were to "push" an updated preload, ala MSoft, they would have to
> > be willing to spend many hundreds of millions of (US) $$ on installation
> > aids, testing (on some representative set of current (and non-current)
> > hardware to verify proper operation and compatibility).  How many
> > "onesy" customers do you suppose you would have to sell to to break even
> > on $2-500,000,000.?  And the large corporate customers wouldn't care.
> > Their systems are either doing what they were intended to (if OS/2).
> >
> > Ron
> 
> If they had been doing this from the beginning, the costs wouldn't be
> so high !!
> IBM has a lot to catch up with if the go pushing os/2 in the market as
> a consumer
> product against the redmond gadget.
> 
> Frank
> 
> The box said:"Requires Windows 95/98, NT or better" .......... So I
> too installed OS/2.
>

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 17:43:19
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: New!  Comm/2 v4.61, 56BIT & 128BIT, Plug-in Pack & C/2 Spellcheck 

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

The IBM Netscape team has released an updated
Communicator v4.61.  It is now an official program
found in the IBM Software Catalog.  The Url:

http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm
Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2(R) Warp

Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Warp combines Web browsing,
e-mail, Web page creation, and newsgroups into a single solution
enabling
you to find and share information easily.
Updated 09/20/99
Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2(R) Warp with strong
encryption

Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Warp with strong encryption
combines Web browsing, e-mail, Web page creation, and newsgroups into
a single solution enabling you to find and share information easily. The

level of encryption available in this version allows you to access your
accounts at financial institutions that require strong (128-bit)
encryption.
FOR USE IN THE U.S. AND CANADA ONLY.
Updated 09/20/99

OS/2(R) Plug-in Pack v. 3.0
The OS/2 Plug-in Pack v. 3.0 enhances Netscape Communicator 4.61 for
OS/2 Warp by enabling it to play many video and audio files. It also
enables Netscape Communicator to use Microsoft(R) Windows(R) 3.1
plug-ins.
Updated 09/20/99

IBM(R) Spellchecker Dictionaries for Netscape
Communicator 4.61 for OS/2(R) Warp
Provides additional spelling dictionaries for Netscape Communicator 4.61

for OS/2 Warp.
Updated 09/20/99

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

P.S.  Thanks IBM's Netscape Team for all the hard work!


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From: possum@fred.net                                   21-Sep-99 01:41:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: possum@fred.net (Mike Trettel)

On 21 Sep 1999 00:44:08 GMT, Jason Bowen <bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu>
wrote:
>In article <7s6ifq$lg4$5@news.hawaii.edu>,
>Dave Tholen <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> wrote:
>>Jason Bowen writes:
>>
>>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting hardware.
>>
>>I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
>>out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>>the HCL.
>>
>
>I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>Warp on new hardware.
>

On EIDE disks that have more than 1024 cylinders (or is it 2048-never
could keep that EIDE crap straight) it's needed to apply the newer eide
disk driver to the install disks.  That's only needed if the MB
bios won't retranslate the drive geometry via LBA to less than
1024 cylinders.  Those of us who use SCSI have never had this problem
(and never will, either).  This is an annoyance, to be sure, but it
really isn't that big a deal.  It's right up there with installing NT
on an unsupported SCSI adapter and swapping in the correct driver
during the install-something that has to be dealt with once and only
during the install.

-- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               20-Sep-99 20:59:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Karel Jansens wrote:
> 
> > Linux and Window get much more support than OS/2 and who can blame people
> > when IBM won't commit on OS/2's future
> >
> The overwhelming Linux support comes from the fact that it's open
> source and windows, wweelll... it probably needs it.

I gotta disagree with you on the Linux support issue.  If there were any
reason not to have hardware support in Linux, it would be because it is
open source.  No one wants their proprietary information distributed in
source form to the masses.  That's part of the reason why it has been so
historically slow to get video cards supported by XFree86.  Anyone remember
waiting for the SVGA server to start supporting Matrox cards?

The only reason things are changing now is because more companies are
finding Linux a viable platform.  Also, the "invention" of compiled modules
a while back has helped the situation a bit, where drivers can be
distributed <without> source.  Open source is definitely not something that
encourages hardware support for sure.

- Marty

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From: possum@fred.net                                   21-Sep-99 01:50:12
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: possum@fred.net (Mike Trettel)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:29:19 -0400, juvenaly <libraryhalt@spamstots.edu>
wrote:
>
>
>rj friedman wrote:
>
>> It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so
>> many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the
>> Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that
>> the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were
>> not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business
>> plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to
>> entrust OS/2 to Stardock?
>> ________________________________________________________
>
>Good point. Consider this too, which can be said in Big Blue' defense:
>For years we've heard criticism of certain companies (guess which ones?)
>for "vaporware" -- talking, for strategic reasons, about software they
>had not yet released, and sometimes had no intention to release. IBM, in
>refusing to divulge its plans, avoids this questionable practice. Which
>makes sense, too -- because plans can always change.
>

While this is pure speculation on my part, it could be that IBM is
waiting for some indication from Judge Jackson as to how he is going to
rule.  IBM has been on a tear lately giving away all sorts of neat
software-DB2, VA for Java, etc., and it would be really interesting if
they added a operating system to the pile of freebies.  If one of the
remedies was to free OS/2 from the MS tax, IBM would have far more
flexibility to do interesting things with it.

One can hope, anyway.

-- 
===========
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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 00:10:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jason Bowen writes:

> OS/2 out of the box right now can't install on most modern hardware

What do you consider "modern hardware", Jason?  I installed OS/2 out
of the box on a Pentium II 400 MHz machine, 256 MB of memory, and a
monitor running at 1600x1200x24bits.  It has ultra-wide SCSI drives,
a CD rewriteable, audio, ethernet card...

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 00:11:19
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jason Bowen writes:

> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting hardware.

I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
the HCL.

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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    20-Sep-99 20:06:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On 20 Sep 1999 17:57:57 GMT, Jason Bowen wrote:

>Tell me about Warp 4 out of the box on a 10 gig hard drive.

What do you want to know?  That when my old 5 gig went bad and Maxtor
replaced it for free with a new 10 gig, that I installed it into my computer,
popped in the Warp 4 CD and floppies (unmodified mind you), booted,
partitioned, formated, installed, applied fixpack, installed new java, etc. 
Basically it took me no more than one day to bring my system fully current. 
Oh, and about that S3 card.  S3 makes many drivers, but if you (like me) are
a little displease with a driver or two, then get GRADD.  Hmmm...   I dunno,
maybe, just maybe, I am an anomlie in the universe.  Maybe, just maybe, my
computer was assembled by aliens and blessed by a priest (actually I built
it).

This is about the oldest argument on the books.  Give it up.  Words on a
screen will not convince someone who is determined not be be convinced no
matter what the situation.  OS/2 is not for everyone.  However, if you are
willing to actually invest a little bit of time and actually learn one or two
things about that $1,000-$2,000 piece of high tech electronics you have
blocking your view the wall behind your desk, and you are willing to buy a
PlayStation if you want the latest games, then OS/2 just may be for you. 
Speaking as a former non-user, just give it a try.  You'll love it.

I've been using OS/2 now for 5 years.

Tony.



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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          21-Sep-99 02:10:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>Bennie Nelson
>OS/2 works with hardware that is current.  I have built brand new systems
>with recently released off-the-shelf components, this year.  No problems.

>Windows 95, on the other hand, did not fare so well.

Only because you're obviously not competent enough to do what many,
many other people (including myself) do routinely -- install Windows.
In fact, just this week I put together 3 various systems and installed
Windows 9x from scratch. No problems. But then, unlike you, I know
what I'm doing and have the skills to do it

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From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca                           20-Sep-99 19:23:14
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca

In <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-tv6oMprbUwW0@t205-157.dialup.seed.net.tw>, on
09/20/99 
   at 02:12 PM, rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman) said:

>It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so 
>many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the 
>Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that 
>the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were 
>not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business  plan that
>would persuade IBM it was worth their while to  entrust OS/2 to Stardock?

What many of us are fuming about is the way IBM has abandoned home users,
and our investment of time and money in OS/2 software. With a little help
from IBM, OS/2 would be wiping the floor with Microsloth, especially given
the expose of Billy's business practices in the last year or two. Instead,
when all kinds of people are looking for alternatives to MS, IBM doesn't
promote OS/2, doesn't make sure drivers are available for popular
hardware, doesn't upgrade the software except through obscure and arcane
fixpacks, and doesn't work to get products ported to OS/2.

In short, IBM sucks at marketing OS/2, and obviously cares diddly for its
customers. 

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            20-Sep-99 22:38:03
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: forgitaboutit@fake.com (David H. McCoy)

In article <nerylrnigrqh.fiduyu0.pminews@news.uncensored-news.com>, 
arelyea@vt.edu says...
>On 20 Sep 1999 17:57:57 GMT, Jason Bowen wrote:
>
>>Tell me about Warp 4 out of the box on a 10 gig hard drive.
>
>What do you want to know?  That when my old 5 gig went bad and Maxtor
>replaced it for free with a new 10 gig, that I installed it into my computer,
>popped in the Warp 4 CD and floppies (unmodified mind you), booted,
>partitioned, formated, installed, applied fixpack, installed new java, etc. 
>Basically it took me no more than one day to bring my system fully current. 
>Oh, and about that S3 card.  S3 makes many drivers, but if you (like me) are
>a little displease with a driver or two, then get GRADD.  Hmmm...   I dunno,
>maybe, just maybe, I am an anomlie in the universe.  Maybe, just maybe, my
>computer was assembled by aliens and blessed by a priest (actually I built
>it).
>
>This is about the oldest argument on the books.  Give it up.  Words on a
>screen will not convince someone who is determined not be be convinced no
>matter what the situation.  OS/2 is not for everyone.  However, if you are
>willing to actually invest a little bit of time and actually learn one or two
>things about that $1,000-$2,000 piece of high tech electronics you have
>blocking your view the wall behind your desk, and you are willing to buy a
>PlayStation if you want the latest games, then OS/2 just may be for you. 
>Speaking as a former non-user, just give it a try.  You'll love it.
>
>I've been using OS/2 now for 5 years.
>
>Tony.

As a former user who knows quite a bit about the overclocked piece of 
electronics on my table, I have to say that it just doesn't make sense to
spend 
all that time and money learning about that wall-blocker just to spend even 
more on a Playstation that *doesn't* play the latest games. The Playstation 
won't even get Half-life until next year. Why not, instead, use an OS that 
really does allow you to play the latest games like Homeworld, Quake3, or 
Starfleet Command, as well as development work, the full-internet experience 
via many plugins, Online payments via Quicken, full PDF capabilities via Adobe 

4, full Quicktime via Quicktime4, etc.

I used OS/2 from 2.1 to Warp 4. I convinced others to try it. I wrote about it 

for an OS/2 e-Mag, and a left it behind when it failed to do all I listed and 
many things I didn't.

>
>
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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 03:35:03
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-khguoWRcoCg3@localhost>,
Karel Jansens <jansens_at_ibm_dot_net> wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:17:01, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason 
>Bowen) wrote:
>
>> In article <37E69308.9FE77919@tui.lincoln.ac.nz>,
>> Craig Benbow  <benbowc@tui.lincoln.ac.nz> wrote:
>
>> >> OS/2 can't install on a hard drive greater than 8.4 megs.  It doesn't
have
>> >> basic support for current hardware but I do see Windows getting
pre-loaded
>> >> on all kinds of new hardware, how about you?  How do you know the reason
>> >> for not releasing Win95B?  Do you have a reference?
>> >>
>> >
>> >How the hell did you come up with this???
>> >Of course you can install OS/2 on a drive bigge than 8.4 megs.  All thats
needed
>> >is updated install disks!
>> >There is heaps of OS/2 hardware support out there.  Take a look at lots of
>> >installation cds for peripherals and wow theres OS/2 drivers.
>> 
>> Why don't they ship a new client with those updates?  Not enough demand?
>
>Maybe, but it should now have become painfully clear that you are 
>talking about things you know absolutely nothing about: OS/2 *will* 
>install on +8.4GB drives (there's not enough room to install it on 8.4
>MB drives). It just needs a little tweaking.

It needs to have the install disk modified right?  The could do lots of
things with a new client right?  By the way the OS/2 user continued my use
of 8.4 megs, why didn't you lambast him?

>
>All this is quite ironic in view of the recent accusations of certain 
>Winvocates against OS/2 advocates knowing nothing about Windows, 
>wouldn't you agree?

I am not a Winvocate and I do know that you have to get to new files,
can't remember the exact names, to install on a drive above 8.4 gigs,
Warp 4 can't do this out of the box.

 >
>> Linux and Window get much more support than OS/2 and who can blame people
>> when IBM won't commit on OS/2's future
>> 
>The overwhelming Linux support comes from the fact that it's open 
>source and windows, wweelll... it probably needs it.

To bad IBM won't issue a press release pledging support for a new OS/2
client.

>
>Karel Jansens
>jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
>=======================================================
>If we could have our cake _and_ eat it,
>people would start whining about seconds.
>=======================================================


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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 03:36:28
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <37e6f9e7$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
 <lifedata@xxvol.com> wrote:
>jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) said:
>
>>Maybe, but it should now have become painfully clear that you are  talking
>>about things you know absolutely nothing about: OS/2 *will*  install on
+8.4GB
>>drives (there's not enough room to install it on 8.4 MB drives). It just
needs
>>a little tweaking.
>
>A little tweaking.  To someone less of a genius it can be a big problem - in
>addition to other similar screwing around you have to do that computer
geniuses
>think are great fun.

I adopted Linux when it was in the 1.0.x kernel stage, I know about
tweaking.  The fact that IBM doesn't wish to update OS/2 so that it can
install a lot of the new hardware released since 96 says a lot about what
IBM thinks of OS/2.

>
>Jim L
>Remove XX from address to Email
>More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.
>
>


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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 03:38:10
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jason Bowen writes:

>>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting hardware.

>> I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
>> out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>> the HCL.

> I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
> Warp on new hardware.

I didn't have to.  What you've heard doesn't change the fact that Windows
isn't a panacea to hardware support problems.

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 03:43:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca writes:

> What many of us are fuming about is the way IBM has abandoned home users,
> and our investment of time and money in OS/2 software.

I'm a home user, and IBM is providing me with Netscape 4.61, which isn't
what I call abandonment.

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 03:40:21
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jason Bowen writes:

>>> OS/2 out of the box right now can't install on most modern hardware

>> What do you consider "modern hardware", Jason?  I installed OS/2 out
>> of the box on a Pentium II 400 MHz machine, 256 MB of memory, and a
>> monitor running at 1600x1200x24bits.  It has ultra-wide SCSI drives,
>> a CD rewriteable, audio, ethernet card...

> What do you think the chances are of walking into a random computer store,
> grabbing a random piece of hardware, and having support for it under
> Linux, Windows 9x/NT or OS/2?

What I think is irrelevant, Jason.

> OS/2 out of the box can't install on EIDE hard drive over 8.4 gigs
> unless it is patched.

Evidence, please.  I've read several responses to you from people who
have installed on larger drives without needing a patch.

> How many DVD drive/decoder combinations have support under OS/2?

How does the number address your claim that OS/2 can't install on most
modern hardware, Jason?

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From: blnelson@visi.net                                 20-Sep-99 22:55:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Bennie Nelson <blnelson@visi.net>

Jeff Glatt wrote:
> 
> >Bennie Nelson
> >OS/2 works with hardware that is current.  I have built brand new systems
> >with recently released off-the-shelf components, this year.  No problems.
> 
> >Windows 95, on the other hand, did not fare so well.
> 
> Only because you're obviously not competent enough to do what many,
> many other people (including myself) do routinely -- install Windows.
> In fact, just this week I put together 3 various systems and installed
> Windows 9x from scratch. No problems. But then, unlike you, I know
> what I'm doing and have the skills to do it

Jeff,
Are you saying that no one who is competent has ever had problems
installing Windows 95?  Or, that if a person has problems installing
Windows 95, then that is conclusive proof that the person doing the
install is incompetent?  Surely, you are not guilty of asserting
that?

How about Windows 95's notoriously bad support for modems (well
documented on MS' Knowledgebase website)?  How about the fact that
at least one version of Windows 95 cannot find a requested device 
driver on a diskette if the *.INF file has the name in a different
case from the way the file is stored on the diskette?  The Linksys
ethernet driver diskette had that exact condition, and Windows 95
could not find the file, even when pointed directly to it.  In
other words, Windows 95 would find the file, and then issue an error
message saying the file was not found.  There's definitely some 
incompetence involved in that situation, but it wasn't me.  I had
to edit the *.INF file and change the filename's case before Windows 
could find the driver.

Regards,
Bennie Nelson

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 18:55:26
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Rich Walsh wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:07:22, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> > Tarquelne wrote:
> >
> > > BTW - so many of my posts are anti-Tim Martin because I'm an
> > > interested OS/2 user and, while not really an OS/2 expert, I do know
> > > something of rhetoric and argument.  In my "expert" (a university
> > > degree) opinion Tim Martin is, on the subject of Stardock at least,
> > > an obsessed crackpot, and should stick to x.advocacy, where crackpots
> > > are always welcome.
> >
> > I too have a substntial degree and I say the crackpot is
> > you.  Stardock originally entered these newsgroups back
> > in November planting the information in the guise of a
> > 'wouldn't it be nice if we, Stardock, offered a Warp 5 client'
> > and they followed that planted bit of spam/hype to generate
> > Stardock hype in message after message.  Wardell knows
> > how to manipulate these newsgroups and those who read
> > it with great ease until he gets caught.  He then resorts to
> > petty name calling, threats of legal action and other derogatory
> > means to get his way.
> >
> > You may not like my tactics but my intention is to protect
> > OS/2 and those who use it.
>
> No it isn't, Tim.  Your intention is to be the William Randolph Hearst
> of our small world by starting a war to boost your sagging circulation.

Nice try but we don't run or accept advertising dollars at
Warp City.  We "ad free" and we won't accept sponsorship
funding either.  But more than that, we actually limit the
number of members who have access to Warp City.  We
don't give a hoot if 50 million OS/2 users want access to
our services - we simply want to be able to provide the
best services we can.

That's why we are a private site.  It allows us to be beholding
to no one.  You try to sell a piece of junk OS/2 software to
the OS/2 user and we'll let them know about it.  We won't cover
it up and we won't dilly dally around it.  On the other hand,
you offer a superior piece of OS/2 software and we'll make
sure our members get or buy it.  And they've all got money
or they wouldn't have subscribed in the first place.

It's that ability to be free of control from any OS/2 vendor
that angers the likes of Wardell & Company.  They can't
dangle that dollar then threaten to withdraw it if we don't
give them and their buggy software hugs and kisses.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

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From: forgitaboutit@fake.com                            20-Sep-99 23:07:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: forgitaboutit@fake.com (David H. McCoy)

In article <37E6E63B.419E0FBF@maine.rr.com>, markhb@maine.rr.com says...
>
>
>Mooo wrote:
>> =
>
>> bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen) wrote:
>> >>=AFI don't see RealPlayer for OS/2.  I
>> >>=AFdon't see Civilization being ported over to OS/2...
>> >>
>> >>As a business user, I don't care about RealPlayer for OS/2,
>> >>much less about Civilization (or any other games). If those
>> >>things are important to you, then OS/2 (alone) is not the OS
>> >>for you.
>> =
>
>> Yep.  Windows95 (not 98 or NT) is the primary gaming/novelty/passtime
>> OS by far.  Market share in this arena must be close to 100%
>> =
>
>> Nothing anyone does will change this juggernaught now thats its
>> steaming ahead.  Business is another matter entirely though.
>> =
>
>
>I think that tilting at this windmill -- OS/2 for home users -- is what
>a lot of people were hoping for from Stardock's release (or what it
>might have become).  Quite a few users, myself among them, were caught
>short when IBM started pulling the plug on the desktop wars just when
>Warp had a solid chance to catch on, shortly after the Win95 release. =
>
>This would've been a second chance... it could've been a contender.
>
>- Mark
>

I agree with you 100%. In fact, IBM has a sweetspot of time, between the 
release of Warp 3 and Win95 where they really could have done much. If IBM, a 
company making their own CPUs, computer hardware, with deep pockets, their own 

computer company, and software divisions had pushed Warp like....heck, like 
they *are* pushing Linux and Windows/NT/2000, we would have an entirely 
different landscape.

-- 
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
---------------------------------------

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Sep-99 22:29:10
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>
spake unto us, saying:

>Doesn't WSEB do SMP ?

WSeB is over US$1100 even for the upgrade, and there's no way I can
justify that type of expense for software here at home.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                     Nice computers don't go down.

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From: djeffrey@uwo.ca                                   20-Sep-99 23:49:27
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: TP600E problems

From: David Jeffrey <djeffrey@uwo.ca>

I am installing warp4 on a TP600E with 10Gb drive.
I used the new install disks and the install went OK.
However, the boot up is slow and only one partition is seen.
Using alt/f2 I find that IBM1S506.ADD takes 56 secs to load and
IBMIDECD.FLT takes 5mins 20 secs.
After the boot is finished, only the primary partion is visible.
I used partition magic to create a primary partition in the first 2 Gb
and an HPFS partition in an extended partition just over the 2Gb limit.
A Win 98 primary partition shares the first 2 Gb.

Any ideas?

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From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net                     21-Sep-99 03:50:12
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: VIA chipset mobo--will it run OS/2 and Suse 6.2?

From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net (Zephyr Q)

	I'm getting a good deal on a VIA vpx97-AT mobo--will it run
OS/2 w3 and Suse 6.2 alright?  Or are there any problems I 
should be aware of?

	BTW, I'm going to drop a PI-166 (MMX) processor in it 
(finally getting rid of my 486DX4-120!--lasted 3 
years...sigh...).

	Thanx.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  Finding his place in   ~
~   Cosmos,               ~
~  Directed only by Him   ~
~   who created the       ~
~    Kosmos               ~ 
~               Zephyr Q  ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please remove "I HATE SPAM" to
 reply to e-mail address.

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From: griveau@ensam.inra.fr                             21-Sep-99 00:34:27
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: FINAL WARNING!                               7.672807.44f.2520qf.v4

From: Griveau <griveau@ensam.inra.fr>

Anonymous User wrote:
> 

> Happy earthchanges,
> Daniel

Amen

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From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net                         21-Sep-99 02:21:02
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: XFree86 and 127.0.0.1 Loopback

From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net

In <dF1xEfk5flPE-pn2-7rcpc8dstho7@h-207-148-137-150.dial.cadvision.com>,
rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby) writes:
>I'm trying to setup XFree86 so I can try GIMP/2 but I can't seem to 
>get the 'localhost' 127.0.0.1 setup as loopback.  I've tried using 
>'INETD' and 'IFCONFIG lo 127.0.0.1 up' and also tried to use the 

inetd is the super daemon process.  You should only use it if you intend
to run some servers (like ftp or telnet).  The other command should be:

ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1

without the "up".  Also make sure you have the line:

127.0.0.1 localhost 

in x:\mptn\etc\hosts and x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts

 
J. Pedone
jpedone@flash.net
http://www.flash.net/~jpedone
 
Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore.
"Daddy, what does FORMATTING DRIVE C mean?"

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Sep-99 22:44:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)
spake unto us, saying:

>I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>Warp on new hardware.

Feh.  Real machines use SCSI.  :-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                 "Look at all the indians!" - G. Custer

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 04:44:24
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <j8v53oHpvy8c092yn@visi.com>,
Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> wrote:
>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>>Warp on new hardware.
>
>Feh.  Real machines use SCSI.  :-)

yeah I know :-)
>
>-- 
>   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>                 "Look at all the indians!" - G. Custer


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From: rhb@accessv.com                                   21-Sep-99 04:50:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: "Rob Burton" <rhb@accessv.com>

On 21 Sep 1999 03:40:42 GMT, Dave Tholen wrote:

|> OS/2 out of the box can't install on EIDE hard drive over 8.4 gigs
|> unless it is patched.
|
|Evidence, please.  I've read several responses to you from people who
|have installed on larger drives without needing a patch.

Does this help
everyone:

http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/647679D565C73E0F862565980068EFB0
.html




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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                20-Sep-99 23:19:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) said:

>Maybe, but it should now have become painfully clear that you are  talking
>about things you know absolutely nothing about: OS/2 *will*  install on
+8.4GB
>drives (there's not enough room to install it on 8.4 MB drives). It just
needs
>a little tweaking.

A little tweaking.  To someone less of a genius it can be a big problem - in
addition to other similar screwing around you have to do that computer
geniuses
think are great fun.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org                     21-Sep-99 03:31:11
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: "Darin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org>

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:49:41 GMT, Mooo wrote:

>>  Not providing an updated client that can install out of the box on
>>a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to adoption
>>to me.
>
>You've done this with NT I gather?  I mean, NT with no fixes applied?

I can buy a CD that has "NT 4, SP3" on it.  Is there such a CD as "OS/2 Warp
4, FP5"?
---
Disclaimer: unless explicitly mentioned otherwise, I do not speak
for the company I work for.



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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 20-Sep-99 22:45:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, forgitaboutit@fake.com (David H. McCoy)
spake unto us, saying:

>Welcome to the world of OS/2 advocacy. 

Yes, but I'm wondering why it's crossposted to c.o.o.misc...?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                       Death to all fanatics!!  :-)

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          21-Sep-99 05:40:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>>>Bennie Nelson
>>>OS/2 works with hardware that is current.  I have built brand new systems
>>>with recently released off-the-shelf components, this year.  No problems.
 
>>>jglatt
>>>Windows 95, on the other hand, did not fare so well.
 
>>Only because you're obviously not competent enough to do what many,
>>many other people (including myself) do routinely -- install Windows.
>>In fact, just this week I put together 3 various systems and installed
>>Windows 9x from scratch. No problems. But then, unlike you, I know
>>what I'm doing and have the skills to do it

>Are you saying that no one who is competent has ever had problems
>installing Windows 95?

To paraphrase a kook whom you think exhibits great logic:

Reading comprehension problems, Bennie? I didn't say anything of the
sort. I merely pointed out that you don't appear to be competent
enough to do what many, many other people (including myself) do
routinely -- install Windows without problems upon a variety of
hardware.

>if a person has problems installing
>Windows 95, then that is conclusive proof that the person doing the
>install is incompetent?

If a person has problems installing an operating system, and he knows
what he's doing, he usually can troubleshoot what is causing the
problem and solve the problem. I do that all of the time.

You likely don't have the skills to do that.

Nevertheless, that's not to say that I often have trouble installing
Windows. Typically, I do not. Nor do I have more problems with one
operating system versus another. After all, I know what I'm doing, and
so I'm able to install operating systems with reasonably little
trouble,

It appears that a number of the OS/2 users posting in this newsgroup
are not qualified likewise.

>How about Windows 95's notoriously bad support for modems (well
>documented on MS' Knowledgebase website)?

How about OS/2's notoriously bad support for sound cards? Even the
latest Creative Labs' cards aren't supported in OS/2, and those are
the biggest selling sound cards.

>How about the fact that
>at least one version of Windows 95 cannot find a requested device 
>driver on a diskette if the *.INF file has the name in a different
>case from the way the file is stored on the diskette?
>I had
>to edit the *.INF file and change the filename's case before Windows 
>could find the driver.

How about the fact that OS/2 users have to edit the files on their
install disks in order to install upon >8.4 gig IDE hard drives?

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 04:44:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <7s6ujd$29n$3@news.hawaii.edu>,
Dave Tholen <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> wrote:
>Jason Bowen writes:
>
>>>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting hardware.
>
>>> I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
>>> out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>>> the HCL.
>
>> I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>> Warp on new hardware.
>
>I didn't have to.  What you've heard doesn't change the fact that Windows
>isn't a panacea to hardware support problems.
>

Why are you making that statement?  I didn't make any claim about Windows.

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               21-Sep-99 04:21:00
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: New keyboard ??

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

The keyboards will work, Martin. The special buttons won't do 
anything, as far as I know.

--Esther

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:57:06, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
Racette) wrote:

| Hi guys,
| 
| I'm looking to get a new computer, but 
| those available here, they all come with
| keyboard with those "Internet Buttons", 
| to fetch E-Mail, to connect, etc..., so 
| i would like to know if those keyboard 
| will work with OS/2 Warp 4, and if there
| is any use for those buttons 
| 
| //-------------------------
| Thank you in advance
| 
| Merci a l'avance
| 
| Martin
| 
| http://205.237.57.73/
| 
| ICQ #48552954


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From: admin@hotmail.com                                 21-Sep-99 04:28:24
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: PM mp3 player?

From: admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.

Edmond Dantes
phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   20-Sep-99 23:33:12
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <8Sd1uPikEGru-pn2-Jup8SvLfzhBN@www.framnett.net>, farmer@NOSPAMnetnet.net
(Mark Framness) writes:
>
>How many of you have worked with OS/2 in a banking environment?  I spent 
>the last weekend and the last couple of days doing a bank conversion all to
>OS/2!  Their banking application was called Argo Wizard.  Anyone know of 
>that?  I didn't deal too much with application end but quite a bit in 
>setting up the systems, testing them and so on.

O sure.  I don't work in a bank, but have done my banking with
OS/2 for seven years now, with the Royal Bank ATMs.

I have seen them boot, OS/2 v2.1 with 32 MB of RAM, booting 
to the bank's shell instead of to the Desktop.  Everything in
the bank runs (or ran) on OS/2. I think it still does.

There's a lot to that, so far as we're concerned here.

That's a major use of OS/2.  That's what IBM aimed OS/2 at. 
IBM makes 90  billion dollars a year, it's from that stuff, 
and OS/2 is an integral part of it.  

See IBM Works, in the Warp Bonus Pak?  That's FootPrint Works. 
In about 1992 IBM bought FootPrint, a software company
in Toronto, for a lotta money.  Was it for FP Works?  Nope, 
FootPrint wrote the software app that was on 90% of the ATMs 
on this continent (the world?), and _that's what IBM bought.

In about 1996 IBM had about 50% of the banking market, meaning
half of _all banks ran OS/2. 

See, that sort of thing is what OS/2 is all about.  Home users
think the OS/2 world revolves around them.  It doesn't, 
they're pretty well right out of it and they can't be told.


Unix type disclaimer:  The numbers are something like that.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: bov243@pasture.net                                20-Sep-99 23:43:01
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5 or a viable alternative

From: Bovine Unit #243 <bov243@pasture.net>

>> ...
>> this dead fish.  If any MS OS had the functionality and stability
>> of OS/2, PLUS the obvious advantage of the support of the OEM 
>> community, it would indeed be a superior alternative.

>	So, let's get the real easy way between these choices.  Let OEM 
>support OS/2! 

No can do. M$ penalizes anyone who dares to develop anything other than M$
(Apple is a big exception) at the same time.

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From: bov243@pasture.net                                20-Sep-99 23:43:02
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Bovine Unit #243 <bov243@pasture.net>

> >Add to this decent network setup programs, a more visually appealing
>>interface .. <snip>
>
>What is a more visually apealing interface? 
>
>I keep seeing people say this, but I don't see what is missing or what
>they want. 

I'd like to see something like the NeXT desktop. How about folling the
X-WIndows
and allow having users to develop their own desktop? Now that's cool.

And how about built-in ability to totally loose the GUI and have text-based
multi-tasking? Like Unix.

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From: bov243@pasture.net                                20-Sep-99 23:43:03
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: Bovine Unit #243 <bov243@pasture.net>

>> This is really a bummer because if OS2 goes to a third-party -- it means
>> the end of OS2,  simply because there is no vendor I would trust with the
>> capability to suport it properly.

>RIGHT!!!??  Like IBM supports it at all!!!!!

Like FixPacks. Most companies have no interest in supporting discontinued
products -- or even current products. And IBM also got expertise to make it
work.

Now if you say "Like IBM is developing it at all!!!" then I probably would
agree. There probably won't be a version 5 of OS/2 client. Or at least in the
U.S.

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From: verysoft@wr.com.au                                21-Sep-99 03:59:27
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: FINAL WARNING!                               7.672807.44f.2520qf.v4

From: verysoft@wr.com.au (Max)

Anonymous User <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:



Does this mean that Jesus shit allover my harddisk lately?

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From: waynebrown@cableregina.com                        20-Sep-99 23:45:14
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: waynebrown@cableregina.com

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:04:03, racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin 
Racette) wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:04:04, 
> farmer@NOSPAMnetnet.net (Mark Framness) 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi there.
> > 
> > Did you see this b4?  I'm using a new NG client.
> >  
> > How many of you have worked with OS/2 in a banking environment?  I spent 
> > the last weekend and the last couple of days doing a bank conversion all
to
> > OS/2!  Their banking application was called Argo Wizard.  Anyone know of 
> > that?  I didn't deal too much with application end but quite a bit in 
> > setting up the systems, testing them and so on.
> >  
> > I can now call myself an "OS/2 Pro"!
> 
> Here in Canada,as far as I know, all the
> banks use OS/2, and those I saw are at 
> least at Warp 3
> 
> //-------------------------
> Good Luck
> 
> Bonne Chance
> 
> Martin
> 
> http://205.237.57.73/
> 
> ICQ #48552954

Now, if only we could do our banking from home using OS2!!!!

Wayne Brown

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   20-Sep-99 22:50:26
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <s0U53oHpvatX092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
>spake unto us, saying:

======================================
>>In <PCC53oHpvGVU092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard 
>>Steiner) writes:
>>
>>>I also want the OS/2 FDISK and Boot Manager fixed to 
>>>recognize the new partitions types that Windows has been
>>>using for years.
=======================================

>>Fix OS/2 to cater to Windows?  So we should work towards 
>>making each of these OSs clones of the others...??  Or just 
>>everything clones of Windows?  All of these clones, with 
>>Windows, on the one machine?
>
>Not sure where you get this.  

From the line in your post above, of course.

>Windows is not the paragon of OSes, even
>brain-dead desktop OSes, and I'm certainly not interested in seeing all
>OSes gravitate towards becoming the same thing.
>
>That would rather defeat the purpose of playing with them,
>no?  :-)

Well, I think so too.  In fact, that's the basis for my snip.
:-) 

>>>              Are you thinking politically-correct things?
>>
>>8-(  The machine will kindly point its finger elsewhere.
>
>Oops!  :-)  Er...  Machines have fingers?  ;-)

Beauty of a tagline.  I'm still chortling to myself.

Rich, thanks for your response.

:-)
Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: kondrag@my-deja.com                               21-Sep-99 05:21:22
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Help! Need Disk13 from Warp3

From: kondrag@my-deja.com

I dug out my old original redbox version of OS/2 Warp v3 to install on
an old 486 I acquired, but I'm missing diskette 13 (which I
unfortunately found out 12 diskettes into the install!).  If someone
could be so kind as to mail me a disk image of it, I'd be very
appreciative!  Please contact me at the address below before sending
anything.

Thanks in advance!

-Greg Kondrasuk
email: kondrag at netscape dot net


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   21-Sep-99 00:32:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 06:30:10
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-tv6oMprbUwW0@t205-157.dialup.seed.net.tw>,
rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman) writes:
>It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so 
>many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the 
>Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that 
>the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were 
>not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business 
>plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to 
>entrust OS/2 to Stardock?

Yes, that occurs to me, very much so.

It also occurs to me that IBM and Stardock, seeing the 
almost violent reaction to the proposal, might not announce a 
deal openly.  

I said there's an odour.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               20-Sep-99 23:20:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 06:30:10
Subj: Testing Java Under New C/2 4.61

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

You are welcome to test your Java setup,
including sound effects, and the latest release
of Communicator for OS/2  with some of the
Java games at Warp City.  The following games
are open to the public:

Breakout, a Tennis-Type game with sound:
http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/breakout/breakout.html

Checkers - the professional graphical game:
http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/checkers/

LaserBlocks - an excellent Tetris (takes a good
minute to load but worth the wait):
http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/laser/game.htm

JigSaw Puzzle - clever, one-of-a-kind on the 'Net
http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/jigsaw/

And - you are always welcome to click on Warp
City's Java Screen Saver whenever online.  This
is great if you need to step away or take a phone
call at work.  Other viewers will stop in wonder.
Animated, with beautiful great backgrounds that
rotate, flying seagulls, rippling water, water pond
and rivers with bridges, a gorgeous rose and more.
Takes a moment to load the first time but again,
well worth the wait.  Once cached it loads quickly.
Bookmark this url:

http://www.warpcity.com/arcade/screen/

The Gamma release of Communicator/2 for OS/2 v4.61
is excellent for Java.  Give it a shot.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

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From: josco@ibm.net                                     20-Sep-99 22:52:18
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Joseph <josco@ibm.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9-21-99, 3:31:23 AM, "Darin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org> 
wrote regarding Re: Why blame IBM?:


> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:49:41 GMT, Mooo wrote:

> >>  Not providing an updated client that can install out of the box on
> >>a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to 
adoption
> >>to me.
> >
> >You've done this with NT I gather?  I mean, NT with no fixes applied?

> I can buy a CD that has "NT 4, SP3" on it.  Is there such a CD as 
"OS/2 Warp
> 4, FP5"?

I'm not sure for shrinkwrap.  I have pressed a Fixpack 11 and Netscape 
4.04 on CD ROM  in case I need to do a reinstall at some future date.  
I would like to see a OS/2 CD with Fixpacks applied.

You can buy SmartSuite/2 which comes with FP5 on CD ROM.  You have to 
apply FP5 first.  This is more reliable than having the application 
update the OS during the install.




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From: mirage@iae.nl                                     21-Sep-99 06:50:21
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl>

"Darin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org> :

> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:49:41 GMT, Mooo wrote: 
>   
> >>  Not providing an updated client that can install out of the box on 
> >>a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to adoption 
> >>to me. 
> > 
> >You've done this with NT I gather?  I mean, NT with no fixes applied? 
>   
> I can buy a CD that has "NT 4, SP3" on it.  Is there such a CD as "OS/2
Warp 
> 4, FP5"? 
> --- 

Actually, yes, you can. I just got mione from Mensys: 
http://www.mensys.nl/mb10.html 
(in Holland, although BTMicro and others in the US have the same thing). Mine
has about 8 different Fixpaks, several flavors of Netscape, Java 1.1.8, Adobe
Acrobat, an updated boot disk.....lots and lots of goodies. And it cost
$11.82 (US dollars).

Regards,

Corey
Eindhoven, The Netherlands

-- 
Fine art Nudes Kyoto
http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/photos/gallery/C_SHADOW/index.html
Polaroid Transfer Art
http://www.frii.com/~uliasz/photoart/polaroid/t_gallery/corey.htm

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 08:19:00
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jason Bowen writes:

>>>>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting
hardware.

>>>> I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
>>>> out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>>>> the HCL.

>>> I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>>> Warp on new hardware.

>> I didn't have to.  What you've heard doesn't change the fact that Windows
>> isn't a panacea to hardware support problems.

> Why are you making that statement?  I didn't make any claim about Windows.

Incorrect:

JB] I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting hardware.

It's right at the top of the article, Jason.

See Message-ID: <7s5qf7$kig@peabody.colorado.edu> for the original.

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    20-Sep-99 17:57:28
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <37e66cca.1096028@news.omen.net.au>, Mooo <zayne@omen.com.au>
wrote:
>bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen) wrote:
>
>>Makes it a pain to install on new hardware heh?  Why doesn't IBM care
>>about that?
>
>I dont know about this.  I keep hearing a lot of noise in general
>about how hard OS/2 is to install on 'new' hardware but as a system
>integrator and assembler, I just don't see it.

Tell me about Warp 4 out of the box on a 10 gig hard drive.

>
>In fact, I'd go the other way and say that its never been easier to
>install OS/2.  You should have seen me frothing at the mouth with
>frustration back in '95 trying to get Warp 3 Red Spine to install!

I just couldn't get 1024x768 at 75 hz, only 43 interlaced on a S3 Trio64v+
based card.  That was the last straw for me.

>
>A lot depends on hardware choice.  If you choose carefully, and buy
>quality kit, it nearly always works.  

Why should you have to do this?  You are letting IBM dictate to you what
you should and shouldn't own hardware wise?

>
>I don't consider patching the boot diskettes much of a hassle as far
>as installation goes.

Yeah most new users wouldn't mind doing that.  Apparently IBM doesn't care
either as they won't provide a new updated client.  That sure says a lot
to the marketplace.

>
>
>>>¯ I mean, OS/2 makes money for IBM and IBM 
>>>¯only...
>>>
>>>I don't know about that, either. As a small business user, 
>>>OS/2 makes money for ME - and quite nicely, thank you.
>
>Yes, I'd agree with this.
>
>
>>>¯I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing Corel porting their 
>>>¯WordPerfect suite over to OS/2....
>
>Have you seen Wordperfect 8 for Linux?  You're not missing much.
>SO5.1 is a much better product.
>
>
>>>We've already got two suites - one of which is absolutely 
>>>free - that are just as functional as anything else out 
>>>there. We don't NEED Corel to port their WordPerfect suite 
>>>over to OS/2 in order to be productive.
>
>After the looong wait I was very very dissapointed with Smartsuite/2
>If this is what you get when you cough up AU$400.00 I'll just stick
>with cheap/free ware thanks (Staroffice)...incidently, anyone used the
>Win32 version of SS?  Its crap too.  I can't believe Lotus isn't broke
>if this is the best they can do.
>
>
>>>¯I don't see RealPlayer for OS/2.  I 
>>>¯don't see Civilization being ported over to OS/2...
>>>
>>>As a business user, I don't care about RealPlayer for OS/2, 
>>>much less about Civilization (or any other games). If those 
>>>things are important to you, then OS/2 (alone) is not the OS
>>>for you.
>
>Yep.  Windows95 (not 98 or NT) is the primary gaming/novelty/passtime
>OS by far.  Market share in this arena must be close to 100%
>
>Nothing anyone does will change this juggernaught now thats its
>steaming ahead.  Business is another matter entirely though.
>
>
>Craig


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From: lazaga1@ibm.net                                   20-Sep-99 23:05:24
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@ibm.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9-21-99, 4:28:48 AM, admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes) wrote 
regarding PM mp3 player?:


> Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.

> Edmond Dantes
> phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

PM123 works reasonably well.  I think a copy can be found on the OS/2 
Supersite for evaluation.

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@ibm.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com



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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             21-Sep-99 08:26:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problems

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:59:23, cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan) wrote:

> 
> I hope you can compare it with your's to see what my problem is. This
problem
> is getting really weird because I've never had any problems installing
> previous
> versions of Java.
> 
> Thanks for any pointers!
> 
> Cheng-Yang Tan
> 

Just a quick reply for now.
It does look different from my log file.
What version of OS/2 are you using?
What directory did you unzip the files into?
Did you remember the -di -ov switches?
What is or was your previous version of Java?
From which directory did you run install?
Which files exactly did you download & try to install?
What order did you try to install them, or did you try to
install them all at once?
You said in an earlier post that you are using FI 1.2.5,
which version of Netscape are you using?

-- 
Dave

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 21-Sep-99 03:44:16
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe Kovacs)
spake unto us, saying:

>rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>>jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe Kovacs) spake unto us, saying:
>>>rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>>>
>>>>I also want the OS/2 FDISK and Boot Manager fixed to 
>>>>recognize the new partitions types that Windows has been
>>>>using for years.
>
>>>Fix OS/2 to cater to Windows?  So we should work towards 
>>>making each of these OSs clones of the others...??  Or just 
>>>everything clones of Windows?  All of these clones, with 
>>>Windows, on the one machine?
>>
>>Not sure where you get this.  
>
>From the line in your post above, of course.

Hehehe.  So I see.  :-)

>>>>              Are you thinking politically-correct things?
>>>
>>>8-(  The machine will kindly point its finger elsewhere.
>>
>>Oops!  :-)  Er...  Machines have fingers?  ;-)
>
>Beauty of a tagline.  I'm still chortling to myself.

*Sigh*  I miss the days of RIME and Fido and SLMR and DeLuxeý and all
those wonderful tagline files that people had.  :-)

(Sorry about the high ASCII character there, but I had to do it <grin>)

>Rich, thanks for your response.

I saw the winky on the bottom of the first reply and figured you were
being silly.  A good thing too -- but I think I'll let you escape with
your life ... this time!  ;-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
               Don't worry.  Baldrick has a cunning plan.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 21-Sep-99 03:51:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)
spake unto us, saying:

>Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.

PM123 is decent, and you can convert most WinAMP skins to its own skin
format:

  http://www.teamos2.sci.fi/pm123/

There's also WarpAMP (another PM player), but I don't know its current
home page, and then there's z!, a nice text-mode MP3 player.

Also, some miscellaneous sites on MP3 stuff for OS/2:

  http://www.fis.cinvestav.mx/~titov/os2soft/mp3/
  http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~malstrom/mp3.html

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
         The perfect pun results in the death of its perpetrator.

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      21-Sep-99 11:34:22
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

askbill*AT*ibm.net [Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News
Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

[ snip on a rather heated discussion on the potential new OS/2 client news ]

Sorry for jumping into this debate, but I mainly want to comment on the virus
issue discussed below. 

My personal opinion on all this OS/2-IBM-SD news is that even if I personally
would have thought it would be great fun to see a new Warp 5 client released,
even from SD (especially with SMP support enabled), the current OS/2 versions
will continue to work well for customers as long as IBM continues to support
them (and for my own systems I'm more than happy with running NT4 and to also
be experimenting with Win 2K B3 and FreeBSD installations) .

¯ Not mentioned is that the vast majority of the 40,000 - odd variations on
¯ maybe 8,000 basic themes of virus, trojan horse, whatever - are specific
¯ to Microsoft.
¯ 
¯ Not one has been able to infect my all OS/2 system, though several have
¯ been donated to me on floppy or e-mail.   I run a virus checker at least
¯ once every two years, just to see what has come in and died in place.
¯ 
¯ The whole virus issue alone would put me off Microsoft.  Even the best
¯ virus checkers need updates, and too often the update is in response to an
¯ internationally success attack- where millions of dollars of damage have
¯ already transpired.

It depends on if you define Microsoft == Windows 3/95/98, or something else.

In the case of Windows NT and Windows CE some virus might exist, but is
extremely uncommon in comparison to the classic DOS based Windows line.

In NT it's possible to make virus (and has reportedly been done, even if I
never have got a single one in over 5 years of usage with a lot of Internet
downloads) but *much* more difficult as they can't be so small because they
need to go through API only (in DOS, OS/2, Win X they can directly manipulate
the hard disk) and also has to be cleared to pass the security settings.

Windows CE has no security concept as in NT, but the many different processors
and hardware it's running on makes it more complex and much more difficult to
spread as easily as on the uniform DOS based x86 PC systems.

A more common and bigger problem on such systems is Office, Outlook Express
and other applications who can run scripts and be infected by macro viruses.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        21-Sep-99 09:51:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Adress IR port on ThinkPad like COM2

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

I believe I have earlier configured the IR port on our ThinkPads (TP 
600 in this case) to behave like a COM port under OS/2. I am however 
not able to make it work now ("COM2 device not ready").

Can anyone give me a reminder how to do this?

thanks,
Jan 

 -------------------------------------------------
| Jan Eri         | Surfing with OS/2 Warp 4      | 
| Protector AS    | http://www.protector-group.no | 
| NORWAY          | http://home.eunet.no/~jeri    |
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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    21-Sep-99 05:59:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <sWigSJlO5nMB-pn2-x0DS2N5lIN2s@ip102.net20719595.cr.sk.ca>,
waynebrown@cableregina.com wrote:

>Now, if only we could do our banking from home using OS2!!!!

I do, with both Royal Bank of Canada and Canadian Imperial Bank of 
Commerce.  I use Netscape 4.

-- 

E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: bandyo@wam.umd.edu                                20-Sep-99 14:40:18
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Shadow question

From: Sushenjit Bandyopadhyay <bandyo@wam.umd.edu>

The icons in OS/2 are slightly (or some say significantly) different 
from those in Win9x.  I am an OS/2 Warp 3 user and not a programmer.  
So all the terms may not be correct.  In OS/2 you can have three types 
of icons for the same program (or data) file.  Lets stick with program 
files for now.

First, what I call the "real" program.  For example, When I open the 
drive object D: and open the folder D:\STATA, I find an icon 
WSATA.EXE.  If I click on it, the statistical package STATA starts.  
Its a Windows 3.1 program.  I can right click on it and choose 
"Settings" and modify all sorts of things like working directory, the 
amount of memory the Win session will have etc.  But I never do it as 
this is not needed.

Second, the "program object."  This is what I call a virtual 
representation of the real program. Some installation routines create 
these on the desktop or inside a folder on the desktop.  There are 
many ways of creating program objects.  I prefer right clicking on the 
"real" program (WSTATA.EXE) and choosing "Create Another." The first 
thing about a "program object" is that this icon can have any name.  I 
can hold down the ALT key and click on the icon name and edit it 
directly.  I can do the same to the real program but then the program 
may not run if I take the EXE off.

But changing the name is not the best part.  I have created three 
program objects for WSTATA.EXE. I have given them names, STATA Small, 
Stata Medium, and Stata Big.  I keep them in the same folder.  In each 
program object's settings I have different changes so that they start 
with different memory sizes and the working directories are also 
different.  All the three refers to the same D:\STATA\WSTATA.EXE, but 
they are each customized for my different needs.  Changing any 
settings in one does not change it in the others or the real program.  
When not selected their names appear in black.

Another important thing about program object is that I can associate 
different data files to different program objects.  For example, I 
want to open STATA graphs only with small memory.  So I associate .GPH 
to "STATA Small." but I want the data files to open with "STATA big."  
Opening in different working directories helps me keep the two types 
of data file in their appropriate places.  So even though I have only 
one installation of WSTATA.EXE in my hard drive, I can use it as if I 
have two different configuration setups complete with own settings and 
file associations.


Third, the shadows.  Shadows have Names that appear in blue when not 
selected (highlighted).  The names are the same a that of its 
original.  For example I can create a shadow of D:\STATA\WSTATA.EXE, 
by holding down CTRL and SHIFT at the same time and dragging the icon 
to the desktop.  It will have the name WSTATA.EXE.  Changing the name 
or any settings of the shadow will change that of the original.  So I 
never create a shadow of WSTATA.EXE.  Instead, I often create shadows 
of the three program objects and keep them in different project 
folders.  Deleting a program object, Say "STATA Big" does not delete 
WSTATA.EXE, but deletes all the shadows of "STATA Big."  Deleting any 
shadow (remember the name in blue) just deletes that particular shadow 
and both the original "STATA Big" and WSTATA remains.  

Okay, I am off the soap box.  All this may not be very clear, so feel 
free to send me an email if you need more information. 

Sushenjit

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9-20-99, 8:18:16 AM, "John E. Jones" <jejs@verinet.com> wrote 
regarding Shadow question:


> I am new to OS/2(3.0), and I need some help with shadows. Coming from 
Win9x,
> I try to relate these to shortcuts, but they do not appear to be the 
same.
> First, how do you know which icon is a shadow, and which one it not? 
or does
> it matter? If you delete either one, will the other get deleted also? 
If yes
> to the previous question, then how do you just get rid of one of them?

> Thanks for any help.

> John



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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           21-Sep-99 07:24:18
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Credibility 

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37E540E7.8A81A4C8@stny.rr.com>, on 09/19/99 at 04:00 PM,
   Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com> said:

> You also encourage piracy and leeching of OS/2 software, and try to
> encourage OS/2 ISV's to halt their production of OS/2 software and give
> it away for free.  You also lie about Stardock "advertising" the "new
> OS/2 client."  Your credibility is very much in question here.

No, Marty, you are wrong. Tim's credibility is not in question. One cannot
question something that doesn't exist. Tim has proven time and again to be
a liar, a poseur, and a con man extraordinaire. --
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           21-Sep-99 07:26:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Credibility 

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37E539C2.8BBE462E@WarpCity.com>, on 09/19/99 at 12:30 PM,
   Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> said:

> You still do not provide one verifiable source in your
> article.  You expect -because you believe you are the
> self-proclaimed queen of OS/2- people to believe you.
> I see you only as an employee of Ziff Davis publications
> and that is not a dubious honor (at least to me).

Tim, you haven't posted a verifiable anything in years. You lost all
credibility years ago. You are a liar, a poseur, and a con man
extraordinaire!

In other words you are nothing but a snake oil salesman trying to dupe
idiots into subscribing to your website where they wind up paying for
garbage, more garbage, and nothing but garbage.



--
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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            21-Sep-99 11:49:28
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:35:06, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason 
Bowen) wrote:

> In article <L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-khguoWRcoCg3@localhost>,
> Karel Jansens <jansens_at_ibm_dot_net> wrote:
> >On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:17:01, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason 
> >Bowen) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <37E69308.9FE77919@tui.lincoln.ac.nz>,
> >> Craig Benbow  <benbowc@tui.lincoln.ac.nz> wrote:
> >
> >> >> OS/2 can't install on a hard drive greater than 8.4 megs.  It doesn't
have
> >> >> basic support for current hardware but I do see Windows getting
pre-loaded
> >> >> on all kinds of new hardware, how about you?  How do you know the
reason
> >> >> for not releasing Win95B?  Do you have a reference?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >How the hell did you come up with this???
> >> >Of course you can install OS/2 on a drive bigge than 8.4 megs.  All
thats needed
> >> >is updated install disks!
> >> >There is heaps of OS/2 hardware support out there.  Take a look at lots
of
> >> >installation cds for peripherals and wow theres OS/2 drivers.
> >> 
> >> Why don't they ship a new client with those updates?  Not enough demand?
> >
> >Maybe, but it should now have become painfully clear that you are 
> >talking about things you know absolutely nothing about: OS/2 *will* 
> >install on +8.4GB drives (there's not enough room to install it on 8.4
> >MB drives). It just needs a little tweaking.
> 
> It needs to have the install disk modified right?  The could do lots of
> things with a new client right?  By the way the OS/2 user continued my use
> of 8.4 megs, why didn't you lambast him?
> 
He was polite. No reason to hit on him for that.
I on the other hand am an utter bastard. So there you go.
> >
> >All this is quite ironic in view of the recent accusations of certain 
> >Winvocates against OS/2 advocates knowing nothing about Windows, 
> >wouldn't you agree?
> 
> I am not a Winvocate and I do know that you have to get to new files,
> can't remember the exact names, to install on a drive above 8.4 gigs,
> Warp 4 can't do this out of the box.
> 
Yes it does. I did it with a copy of Warp 4 dating back from early 
'98. It depends on your motherboard and/or BIOS. I don't think you can
blame Warp for a BIOS that needs updating. (it was an ancient Intel 
Zappa board and after the flash upgrade of the BIOS warp installed 
like a charm, without tweaking or changing installation disks. I 
really couldn't believe my eyes. I sometimes go back there just to see
the machine run).
>  >
> >> Linux and Window get much more support than OS/2 and who can blame people
> >> when IBM won't commit on OS/2's future
> >> 
> >The overwhelming Linux support comes from the fact that it's open 
> >source and windows, wweelll... it probably needs it.
> 
> To bad IBM won't issue a press release pledging support for a new OS/2
> client.
> 
<sound of grudging agreement>
Maybe they still will.

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
=======================================================
If we could have our cake _and_ eat it,
people would start whining about seconds.
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            21-Sep-99 11:50:00
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:59:10, Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com> wrote:

> Karel Jansens wrote:
> > 
> > > Linux and Window get much more support than OS/2 and who can blame
people
> > > when IBM won't commit on OS/2's future
> > >
> > The overwhelming Linux support comes from the fact that it's open
> > source and windows, wweelll... it probably needs it.
> 
> I gotta disagree with you on the Linux support issue.  If there were any
> reason not to have hardware support in Linux, it would be because it is
> open source.  No one wants their proprietary information distributed in
> source form to the masses.  That's part of the reason why it has been so
> historically slow to get video cards supported by XFree86.  Anyone remember
> waiting for the SVGA server to start supporting Matrox cards?
> 
Yes I do (marginally, because I don't have a Matrox card and I didn't 
use Linux at the time). I also remember the argument always was that 
writing drivers was too expensive... until someone in the know pointed
out that writing a driver for a graphics card is essentially trivial 
work for a manufacturer. The tricle seemed to become a gentle stream 
after that.

> The only reason things are changing now is because more companies are
> finding Linux a viable platform.  Also, the "invention" of compiled modules
> a while back has helped the situation a bit, where drivers can be
> distributed <without> source.  Open source is definitely not something that
> encourages hardware support for sure.

I've heard that plenty times but I still don't get that argument. What
in the name of seven hells would someone *do* with the source code for
a hardware thingie if he didn't buy the hardware gizmo in the first 
place? Like I said above: it's not like video drivers are rocket 
science or something, so what would a manufacturer gain by keeping 
them locked away? "Gain" less customers?

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
=======================================================
If we could have our cake _and_ eat it,
people would start whining about seconds.
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From: Spammers@Bite.Me                                  21-Sep-99 11:38:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Testing Java Under New C/2 4.61

From: "Jaime A. Cruz, Jr." <Spammers@Bite.Me>

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Jaime A. Cruz, Jr.

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    21-Sep-99 09:58:20
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: New keyboard ??

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:21:01, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) 
wrote:

> The keyboards will work, Martin. The special buttons won't do 
> anything, as far as I know.

There's a keyboard macro utility on Hobbes (sorry, I forget the name 
but that description should turn it up) that claims to utilise SOME 
extra keys...

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          21-Sep-99 18:17:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

And there's WarpAMP beta 4, also available on Hobbes as
wamp_b4.zip

Cheers

Wayne


On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:05:48 GMT, Paul Lazaga wrote:

:>
:>
:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
:>
:>On 9-21-99, 4:28:48 AM, admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes) wrote 
:>regarding PM mp3 player?:
:>
:>
:>> Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.
:>
:>> Edmond Dantes
:>> phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com
:>
:>PM123 works reasonably well.  I think a copy can be found on the OS/2 
:>Supersite for evaluation.
:>
:>-- 
:>Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@ibm.net
:>WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
:>Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
:>Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com
:>
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           21-Sep-99 07:07:24
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37E6B5A8.103CC16C@inficad.com>, on 09/20/99 at 06:31 PM,
   Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com> said:



> Bob Germer wrote:

> > Dale, you are wrong regarding the "sniffer" on Warp 4. I just took the
> > original CD, made the three install disks, and tried to load it on a
> > client's machine which is pure NT. It wouldn't work with copying the file
> > to the appropriate sub-directory. Now my CD came in a package directly
> > from IBM clearly marked  UPGRADE version.

> Don't know what you're talking about.  I have OS/2 2.1, upgraded it to
> Warp 3 and it had a sniffer.  The day CompUSA got Warp 4, I bought it
> and installed it over Warp 3.  Then, I repartitioned the HD, formatted
> it, and installed Warp 4 onto a fresh HD -- NO PROBLEM!  Warp 4 Upgrade
> installed without a hitch, without a previous version of OS/2.  It ran
> for a couple of years with no problem.

No, you have the full version. The only difference was price and the
sniffer. Just last night I had to reinstall Warp 4 onto my notebook (FAT
got garbled when a power outage hit while it was plugged in and in suspend
mode) and I again verified that the Upgrade version would not install on
the now virgin drive.

If the upgrade version finds the requisite file anywhere on the system, it
will install. If not, it exits with a warning.

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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: coville@localnet.com                              21-Sep-99 11:11:03
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Free internet with OS/2? / Netzero

From: coville@localnet.com (Brian)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:32:45, alex <alex@ckcomputers.com> wrote:

> Signup NetZero from windowz mashine
> Go to Dial up networking and check IP address there
> Then setup OS/2 dial up with these info. Works for me
> 
I thought Netzero was one of the free providers that put ads on your 
screen.  DO you know if that is tru under WinXX?  I would guess that 
it doesn't happen under OS/2?!  What do you think of there service 
overall?


	Brian

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           21-Sep-99 07:19:18
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <iV743kDg6xQE090yn@ibm.net>, on 09/18/99 at 10:53 AM,
   dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) said:


> I have a copy of "Warp 4, Upgrade for OS/2 Users" that also came
> directly from IBM. I've installed it several times to a machine with an
> empty hard drive. Chose Advanced Install, FDISK and created partitions,
> re-booted, formatted HPFS and installed without complaint.

> Perhaps you have a different problem with installing to the client's NT
> machine, but Warp 4 Upgrade and Warp 4 only differ in the packaging and
> license agreement.

Dan, the same disk refused to install on my IBM 390E notebook just
yesterday until I created the magic directory and copied the requisite
file to it. It is the same part number as a full version but the two CD's
are not identical.

Perhaps IBM saw so many news articles about how to defeat the sniffer that
they just gave up after the first pressing. --
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           21-Sep-99 07:32:12
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37E68B0E.5F083C53@spamstots.edu>, on 09/20/99 at 03:29 PM,
   juvenaly <libraryhalt@spamstots.edu> said:



> rj friedman wrote:

> > It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so
> > many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the
> > Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that
> > the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were
> > not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business
> > plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to
> > entrust OS/2 to Stardock?
> > ________________________________________________________

> Good point. Consider this too, which can be said in Big Blue' defense:
> For years we've heard criticism of certain companies (guess which ones?)
> for "vaporware" -- talking, for strategic reasons, about software they
> had not yet released, and sometimes had no intention to release. IBM, in
> refusing to divulge its plans, avoids this questionable practice. Which
> makes sense, too -- because plans can always change.

IBM, of course, invented vaporware in the 1950's and wound up with an
anti-trust action filed against it by the younger Clark who was US
Attorney General and son of the Clark who was Truman's Attorney General
(and who also filed a much different anti-trust action against IBM on the
day Eisenhower took office). The net result of both suits was a settlement
in the form of a consent agreement which requires IBM to take certain
actions and not do other things or the suits become active once again.
Among the provisions are the announcement of products (hardware and
software) which don't actually exist or at least very nearly ready for
retail.

Read TJ Watson's (son of the "founder" of IBM) and himself former Chairman
of IBM. It's called "Father, Son, and Company" for a very thorough
discussion of the first anti-trust action. He was retired by the time the
second suit was settled if memory serves. BTW, TJ, Senior didn't found
IBM. He became President of a company making time clocks (which are still
in use in many factories) which used time cards. He expanded it and
renamed it IBM in the 1920's or 30's. TJ, Junior says in his book words to
the effect, "I though it funny that Dad would name this little outfit
'International" anything."

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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           21-Sep-99 12:11:28
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 10:41:07
Subj: Re: Installing fixpack with RSU

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

[Following up my own post...]

Choosing "Advanced" did the trick, and the fixpack installed fine.

Ian

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          21-Sep-99 12:53:08
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:10
Subj: Re: Address IR port on ThinkPad like COM2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:51:27, jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri) a Úcrit 
dans un message:

> I believe I have earlier configured the IR port on our ThinkPads (TP 
> 600 in this case) to behave like a COM port under OS/2. I am however 
> not able to make it work now ("COM2 device not ready").
> 
> Can anyone give me a reminder how to do this?

I can't speak to the TP600 but the pieces of the IRDA package got my 
TP701's IR port printing via serial IR to my printer. (That was all the 
outside hardware I had that could see the IR.)

ftp://ftp.univie.ac.at:/systems/os2/leo/drivers/com/irda_os2.zip 

appears to be the same one, but as I recall there was one that didn't help 
and one that did, so you might have to try more than one.

Long time ago.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 13:59:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <7s7f1k$dlc$3@news.hawaii.edu>,
Dave Tholen <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> wrote:
>Jason Bowen writes:
>
>>>>>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting
hardware.
>
>>>>> I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
>>>>> out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>>>>> the HCL.
>
>>>> I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>>>> Warp on new hardware.
>
>>> I didn't have to.  What you've heard doesn't change the fact that Windows
>>> isn't a panacea to hardware support problems.
>
>> Why are you making that statement?  I didn't make any claim about Windows.
>
>Incorrect:
>
>JB] I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting hardware.
>
>It's right at the top of the article, Jason.
>
>See Message-ID: <7s5qf7$kig@peabody.colorado.edu> for the original.
>

I didn't claim it was a panacea.  I said I didn't have problems with it.

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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               21-Sep-99 10:09:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Credibility 

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Bob Germer wrote:
> 
> On <37E540E7.8A81A4C8@stny.rr.com>, on 09/19/99 at 04:00 PM,
>    Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com> said:
> 
> > You also encourage piracy and leeching of OS/2 software, and try to
> > encourage OS/2 ISV's to halt their production of OS/2 software and give
> > it away for free.  You also lie about Stardock "advertising" the "new
> > OS/2 client."  Your credibility is very much in question here.
> 
> No, Marty, you are wrong. Tim's credibility is not in question. One cannot
> question something that doesn't exist. Tim has proven time and again to be
> a liar, a poseur, and a con man extraordinaire. --

I stand corrected.

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               21-Sep-99 13:20:26
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)


>>> It's quite possible that Aurora was developed only because one or more
>>> really big customers insisted.
 
>> Makes the idea of forming an OS/2 SOHO/Users buying (and thus now
>> pressure) group all the more interesting. If it works for them, why not for 
us?

> Because even with a buying group we wouldn't be in the dollar category IBM
> is interested in.
 
As someone said: If a German Bank called Lou and said I want to send you an
order for upgrading xxx seats and there is more coming in new orders, that
would
be declined? Beginning this year there was a (number from memory) 30.000
copies
interest conveyed to IBM as pre-orders. If it would be an order, would it be
sent back?

The problem is that IBM is not making its money (if I understood Brad Barcley
well)
from base OS/2 (be it client or not), but from the add-ons and the services
supplied 
to those strategic customers. The old story of those customers running on OS/2 
being
such a big part of IBM's business that they simply cannot stop continuing to
service them.

OK, let's assume the worst. IBM turns down the order for 10-20.000 copies.
That would at least give a clear view of IBM's intended directions and
strategy.
 
Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                21-Sep-99 11:05:12
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) said:

>Idiots shouldn't install or run OS/2. That's why Windows was invented  (this
is
>really true!).

I knew this was boiling down to elitism.

One self styled paragon said he hoped OS/2 stayed hard to use so the general
public wouldn't spoil the OS/2 community with inferior intelligence.  Sad.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: mirage@iae.nl                                     21-Sep-99 16:01:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl>

lifedata@xxvol.com :

> Mirage Media <mirage@iae.nl> said: 
>   
> >Actually, yes, you can. I just got mione from Mensys:  
> >http://www.mensys.nl/mb10.html  
> >(in Holland, although BTMicro and others in the US have the same thing). 
> Mine 
> >has about 8 different Fixpaks, several flavors of Netscape, Java 1.1.8, 
> Adobe 
> >Acrobat, an updated boot disk.....lots and lots of goodies. And it cost 
> $11.82 
> >(US dollars). 
>   
> Same old problem of having to figure out which bits and pieces to use. 
>   
> Jim L 
> Remove XX from address to Email 
> More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do. 
>   
>   
The Fixpaks are for different languages (Dutch, English, German, etc) and for
both Warp 4 and Warp 3. Not TOOOO big a problem.

Corey
Mirage Media
Eindhoven, The Netherlands 
-- 
Fine art Nudes Kyoto
http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/photos/gallery/C_SHADOW/index.html
Polaroid Transfer Art
http://www.frii.com/~uliasz/photoart/polaroid/t_gallery/corey.htm

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 08:19:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Testing Java Under New C/2 4.61

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

>
> ???
>
> What's wrong with the GA release??
>
> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:20:26 -0700, Tim Martin wrote:
>
> >The Gamma release of Communicator/2 for OS/2 v4.61
> >is excellent for Java.  Give it a shot.

Sorry.  My mistake.  I meant "GA" release of Communicator/2
for OS/2 version 4.61.

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From: acogbill@ibm.net                                  21-Sep-99 07:40:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: "Allen Cogbill" <acogbill@ibm.net>

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:59:39 -0400, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:

>
>You need to run LILO - you should have a LILO configuration utility (I
>run Debian rather than RedHat, so I'm not sure if it is the same. Debian
>uses /usr/sbin/liloconfig), which you tell to install LILO in the Linux
>root partition - not the master boot record, which is where OS/2 Boot
>Manager is located. Dig about in /usr/doc/lilo, and read it over. If you
>do have liloconfig, it is amazingly self-evident to install everything
>in the right spot.

Well, I did come up with a solution. I read the RedHat docs more carefully,
and discovered that RedHat's LILO could only boot to a SCSI drive if the SCSI 
ID was set to 0 or 1. It turned out that mine was set to 6. So, I took the 
drive out, set it to 0, then went through the entire partitioning setup again:

1. Partition the SCSI disk with OS/2 fdisk (or fdiskpm).
2. Put what was to become the Linux boot partition onto Boot Manager's menu.
3. During installation of Linux, used its fdisk to set the partition ID's
   correctly (to Linux native and Linux swap, as appropriate)
4. Installed Linux and put LILO in the root partition.

Then, after installation, I can boot to the Linux partition: LLIO comes up, 
and it boots me to Linux. Everything is OK!

I also installed ext2-os2.ifs so that I can mount the Linux file systems from 
OS/2. It also seems to work well.

I think that the comments in the docs that LILO can only boot to the first or
the 2nd disk only apply to like disks. That is, it could only boot to the 
first or the 2nd EIDE disk or the first or the 2nd SCSI disk. This seems, 
especially for the SCSI disks, a nuisance, as other Unix systems can boot to 
any disk (typically SCSI), without ID restrictions.

Allen Cogbill
acogbill@ibm.net
Allen Cogbill
Los Alamos, NM


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From: cytan@fnal.gov                                    21-Sep-99 14:28:08
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problems

From: cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan)

In message <Ej0w7lFo08Zw-pn2-HLHpwr3hddor@pluto.dwparsons.dialin.t-online.de>
- dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons) writes:
:>
:>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:59:23, cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan) wrote:
:>
:>> 
:>> I hope you can compare it with your's to see what my problem is. This
problem
:>> is getting really weird because I've never had any problems installing
:>> previous
:>> versions of Java.
:>> 
:>> Thanks for any pointers!
:>> 
:>> Cheng-Yang Tan
:>> 
:>
:>Just a quick reply for now.
:>It does look different from my log file.
:>What version of OS/2 are you using?
WARP4 FP11
ver/r = 9.035

:>What directory did you unzip the files into?
d:/tmp/ja

diskfree about 800MB

:>Did you remember the -di -ov switches?

yes. Ran javainuf -di -ov

:>What is or was your previous version of Java?

D:/tmp/ja@rachel%java -fullversion
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.7A IBM build o117-19990720 (JIT enabled:
javax)"


:>From which directory did you run install?
d:/tmp/ja

and I just ran 
install

:>Which files exactly did you download & try to install?

I'm just trying the java runtime for now which is in the javainuf.exe
distribution

:>What order did you try to install them, or did you try to
:>install them all at once?

Nope failure is in the java runtime. I haven't tried the ddk, swing packages
yet.


:>You said in an earlier post that you are using FI 1.2.5,
:>which version of Netscape are you using?
:>

I've tried both versions 4.04 and 4.61 beta2. I've just downloaded 4.61gamma
and will try it with this too.


:>-- 
:>Dave
:>


Tan


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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  21-Sep-99 14:58:03
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: New keyboard ??

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:58:40, rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:21:01, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) 
> wrote:
> 
> > The keyboards will work, Martin. The special buttons won't do 
> > anything, as far as I know.
> 
> There's a keyboard macro utility on Hobbes (sorry, I forget the name 
> but that description should turn it up) that claims to utilise SOME 
> extra keys...

X-IT (if I have the name right) claims to do this, making use of the three 
Windows-icon-marked keys, and it is highly recommended by lots of users for
whom it works. It does not work here on this system, with a Supermicro MB. 
It is worth a try to DL the demo, but don't be surprised if you can't make 
it do what it claims.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: "jwise@hal-pc.org"@hal-pc.org                     21-Sep-99 09:25:21
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Adding 2nd HardDrive for OS/2

From: Jack Wise <"jwise@hal-pc.org"@hal-pc.org>

The physical setup should work.  However, you still have the 'problem'
of being able to select which operating system to boot.  The only way
that can be done is to install a 'boot manager' on the primary hard
disk.  That will involve using a utility like "Partition Magic" to
resize your existing partition on the first hard disk to allow creation
of a 'boot partition' (about 1 Mbyte).  You will also have to format the
2nd hard disk to your preferred file system (HPFS or FAT) [HPFS will
allow you more flexability including long file names.]) You might also
want to want to create a small partition on the 2nd disk as a FAT
partition.  This will allow you to copy files to the FAT partition which
will be seen and accessable when you boot WIN9x, thus allowing transfer
of data from one system to another.

Jack Wise

JENNIFER L CARTER wrote:
> 
>  Hello, I am a current win95 user, but I have a copy of os/2 warp v.3 that I
> would like to install. I am pretty good with computers I have installed
> basic things like and backup tape drive, memory, modems, video ect.... The
> one thing I have never done is installed a Hard Drive. I decided the way I
> want to OS/2 v.3 to my present system (PII 233, 64 mb, 4.3 gig) is to add
> another Hard drive not a big one , 500- 1000 mb. I do not want to partion my
> present hard drive, adding a second HD is the way I want to go. I have a 386
> DX system with DOS, OS/2 warp already installed on the IDE Hard Drive. Since
> I am going to use an IDE connection, is it possible for me to take the HD
> out of the 386 and put it in my PII 233 system. The way I have set my
> computer up is I have a (4.3 gig HD Primary MASTER, CD-ROM drive PRIMARY
> SLAVE, and A BACKUP TAPE DRIVE SECONDARY MASTER). The way i though I would
> be able to add the other HD would be as a SECONDARY SLAVE. I have the cables
> and hookups to do it but how do Install the HD. I know how to hook it up
> inside the computer properly, after that do I just turn it on and set it up
> in BIOS to get it working, would I have to mess with WIN 95 to? I have never
> installed a HD before but I have installed many other things. Information on
> how to install and set it up, and if it would work not would be much
> appreciated!! Please e-mail me at
> 
>                                                 Dsgv40a@prodigy.com
> 
>                                                             THANK YOU!!
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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 16:32:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Joe Malloy writes:

>> I'm a home user, and IBM is providing me with Netscape 4.61, which isn't
>> what I call abandonment.

> Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!

It was released yesterday.  Go to IBM's Software Choice web site.

Chalk up another bonehead posting by Joe Malloy.

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 16:38:23
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Bennie Nelson writes [to Jeff Glatt]:

> You've taken to using Dave Tholen's words to convey your meaning.  That's
> risky, don't you think?  People might actually say that because you're
> using his words, that means you're just like him.  In fact, that's the
> kind of thing you've done in the past.  

Except I haven't engaged in libel the way Jeff did recently.

> You really need to be careful what you post here.

Yes, he should.

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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          21-Sep-99 13:03:03
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

Dave Tholen wrote:
> 
> Bennie Nelson writes [to Jeff Glatt]:
> 
> > You've taken to using Dave Tholen's words to convey your meaning.  That's
> > risky, don't you think?  People might actually say that because you're
> > using his words, that means you're just like him.  In fact, that's the
> > kind of thing you've done in the past.
> 
> Except I haven't engaged in libel the way Jeff did recently.

I guess I could have put <g> at the end of that paragraph.  

I wasn't trying to imply the reverse situation: that you are like Jeff.
I was simply pointing out to Jeff a ramification of a tactic he'd used 
earlier.  I'd cited the fact that some people believe that playing cards
is immoral.  He used that to assert that I was allied with those people 
as an active supporter, and moreover, that I was just like those people.

Given his train of thought: since he'd cited your words, that makes
him a Tholen supporter, and furthermore, it means he's just like you.

> 
> > You really need to be careful what you post here.
> 
> Yes, he should.

Regards,
Bennie Nelson

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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                21-Sep-99 14:52:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:23:29, rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca wrote:

îWhat many of us are fuming about is the way IBM has abandoned home users,
îand our investment of time and money in OS/2 software...

I don't feel that IBM has abandoned me at all. Over the last
couple of years in which IBM has supposedly abandoned me, I 
have gotten fixpacks/updates to the OS on a regular basis; 
driver updates on a regular basis; the best in business 
productivity apps; browser updates on a regular basis; java 
updates on a regular basis; etc. And all of it - basically 
for FREE. If that's being abandoned, they can keep on 
abandoning me forever.





________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 16:31:09
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jason Bowen writes:

>>>>>>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting
hardware.

>>>>>> I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
>>>>>> out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>>>>>> the HCL.

>>>>> I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>>>>> Warp on new hardware.

>>>> I didn't have to.  What you've heard doesn't change the fact that Windows
>>>> isn't a panacea to hardware support problems.

>>> Why are you making that statement?  I didn't make any claim about Windows.

>> Incorrect:
>>
>> JB] I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting
hardware.
>>
>> It's right at the top of the article, Jason.
>>
>> See Message-ID: <7s5qf7$kig@peabody.colorado.edu> for the original.

> I didn't claim it was a panacea.

You did say that you never had a problem.

> I said I didn't have problems with it.

It?  What is "it"?  Could it be the "it" you didn't make any claim about?
I see you didn't bother to address the evidence for you being wrong.

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         21-Sep-99 16:36:27
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

lifedata@xxvol.com writes:

>>> OS/2 out of the box can't install on EIDE hard drive over 8.4 gigs
>>> unless it is patched.

>> Evidence, please.  I've read several responses to you from people who have
>> installed on larger drives without needing a patch.

> What kind of evidence to you WANT?

Something besides his words.

> Or are you being cute about how you define "patch?"

Obviously not, given that those people haven't needed one.

> Or maybe you're being cute about what it meant to install on a large
> drive?

Obviously not, given that I used the word "larger", not "large".

> Warp 4 from my CD will not access large drives without fixpacks or new
> drivers.

"Or maybe you're being cute about what it meant to install on a large
drive?"

> Yes, you can install OS/2 on a large drive as it comes out of the
> package, but it won't access all of that drive.

That wasn't the issue.

> For IBM to leave it that way is - if nothing else - REALLY silly.

You're presupposing that it is that way.

> Like buying gas and having to mix in your own octane additive.

Gasoline additives sell rather well.

> Or do you have a different CD?

Given that I haven't seen yours, I can't say.

> Did they put out a later CD with the new driver on it?

Given that I haven't seen yours, I can't say.

> If so, why don't they make it known?

The key word here is "if".

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 21-Sep-99 16:56:19
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn) wrote:

>As someone said: If a German Bank called Lou and said I want to send you an
>order for upgrading xxx seats and there is more coming in new orders, that
would
>be declined? 

Yes, that was me.  I really think that this is the point.  The guy
from OS/2 HQ says it well in that IBM is so huge that they cannot (and
do not want  to) see the trees for the forest.  

What we need to do is to stop being a bunch of trees, and turn the
community into a forest.  In so doing we become 'visible' to IBM.
Remember, IBM is not one man, it has no soul.  I doubt emotion even
enters discussions on OS/2.  If a product is making enough money to be
'visible' it will continue to get support.  No matter how big a user
based corporate entity becomes (OS/2 Corporation as I have spoken of
before) it in itself will not guarentee a future for OS/2.  But what
it would do, IMHO, is to inject some 'feeling with muscle' into the
OS/2 world.  The muscle would be the combined spending dollar of 10's
of thousands of small OS/2 users, the feeling would be the enthusiasm
of the individuals.

Currently, we lone OS/2 users 'feed' off the crumbs provided by big
OS/2 customers like the often mentioned banking corporates.  If OS/2
users come together, and due to combined resources actually fund 3rd
party development, its possible, even likely, that some very large
corporates would be interested in such product.  This in turn keeps
their financial interest in OS/2 and because of their huge cash
resources keep OS/2 alive from IBM's perspective.  

Its a very symbiotic thing you see :)


>Beginning this year there was a (number from memory) 30.000 copies
>interest conveyed to IBM as pre-orders. If it would be an order, would it be
sent back?

No, it would not, once again in my humble opinion.  However, this
would not gain the OS/2 community anything aside from Warp5 client.
The future (Warp 6?) would be no more secure than it is today.

What we need, and have needed for many years, in fact, we've always
needed it, is lively, active application and driver development.

How much faster can applications be put into the marketplace (or user
space) when their is money involved rather than waiting for some good
hearted souls to use their spare time.

Need a PM version of GIMP?  Fine, bankroll it.  A corporate umbrella
looking after the needs of OS/2 users would work very effectively.
Need the applications and want to have a vote in what gets developed?
Buy a subscription to 'OS/2 Corporation' (sort of like Software Choice
realy)


>OK, let's assume the worst. IBM turns down the order for 10-20.000 copies.
>That would at least give a clear view of IBM's intended directions and
strategy.

In the end, what we need is a roadmap.  We need to know, with
certainty whats going on.  Doom and gloom becomes a self fulfilling
prophecy all too easily.

If IBM was to be up front and say, 'right people, its like this...as
of Jan 1 2002 all OS/2 development will cease' thats fine.  I will be
upset of course, but its the honest thing to do and I know where I
stand.

I disagree with the optimistic viewpoint that as long as IBM stays
quiet OS/2 is safe.  My view is that as long as IBM is staying quiet,
it means they themselves could move in either direction.  

Craig

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          21-Sep-99 17:58:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>Ian Tholen
>Except I haven't engaged in libel the way Jeff did recently.

Except that I haven't engaged in libel the way you erroneously claim
that I did.

>>You really need to be careful what you post here.

>Yes, he should.

On the other hand, Tholen need not be careful with his lies since
people already know that he lies

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          21-Sep-99 17:57:01
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>Bennie Nelson
>You've taken to using Ian Tholen's words to convey your meaning.

No, I use Tholen's brand of "logic" to point out the "errors" in the
logic of those kooks who think that he makes a lot of sense -- people
like you. (ie, Don't forget that you're the one who believes that he
relies upon logic and his detractors are "emotionally blocked" people
who are "unskilled at logic").

Of course, being that OS/2 kooks are notorious hypocrites (and not too
mentally swift either), they typically fail to see their own hypocrisy
in putting forth arguments that their christ-like beacon of "logic"
himself has already condemned as "illogical" when used by people whose
opinions he doesn't happen to like.

>That's risky, don't you think?

Not at all. It has been my experience that the OS/2 kooks in this
newsgroup are no more "intelligent" than their "hero" Tholen, and that
qualifies as exceedingly low intellect, rife with mindless
inconsistencies, dumb contradictions, a lack of common sense, immature
naivete, an inability to be anything but plodding and pedantic, etc.
(See my digest of Tholen's inane nonsense for a plethora of examples
of his astounding stupidity).

I have nothing to fear from these people.

>People might actually say that because you're
>using his words, that means you're just like him. In fact, that's the
>kind of thing you've done in the past.

But of course, there already exists a "logical" Tholen Cliche to
dismiss such an accusation as foolish.

The extent of Tholen's idiocy has been so comprehensive that there are
now plenty of contradictions, inconsistencies, hypocrisy, etc, from
which to draw upon and address just about any point that an OS/2 kook
raises.

That's the legacy of fanaticism. It destroys itself. Tholen's idiocy
has helped destroy that which it ineptly attempts to promote, and made
anything that an OS/2 fanatic could utter susceptible to being shot
down with Tholen's own brand of "logic".

>You really need to be careful what you post here.

You're presupposing that I'm not being careful with what I post here.

Sound familiar? It should. It's the sound of OS/2 fanaticism coming
home to roost. It's a sound that other, overzealous niche product
advocates, such as Amiga True Believers, heard. I suggest that you
study up some history when you go back to the library and read up on
what the Bill of Rights really guarantees.

>>If a person has problems installing an operating system, and he knows
>>what he's doing, he usually can troubleshoot what is causing the
>>problem and solve the problem. I do that all of the time.

>So, do I.  

And yet you claim that you couldn't install Windows operating systems
because of problems.
 
>>You likely don't have the skills to do that.

>I gave you an example of troubleshooting a Windows 95 install problem.

Then it's no longer a problem.

Apparently, you have no problems with Windows now.

Neither do I. Welcome to the reality that many others experience.

>>>How about Windows 95's notoriously bad support for modems (well
>>>documented on MS' Knowledgebase website)?
 
>>How about OS/2's notoriously bad support for sound cards? Even the
>>latest Creative Labs' cards aren't supported in OS/2, and those are
>>the biggest selling sound cards.

>I question your equating the two circumstances.

You can question it all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that
both statements talk about problems with hardware support.

>Bad support does not equal scanty support.

True. No support is even worse than some support.

>OS/2 has scanty support for newer sound cards.

That was my point above. It has problems with support.

>That is, there are not many newer soundcards that are supported in
>OS/2.  Windows 95 support for modems is bad in that the support is 
>quite buggy.

Just like Tholen responds to such criticisms with a personal anecdote
that he has never personally experienced a given situation cited by
someone whose opinions he doesn't like, I'll just note that I've never
experienced "buggy" modem support in any of the Windows 9x systems
which I've put together.

Needless to say, you must find this a very logical rebuttal. After
all, Tholen uses it quite often, and you don't seem to feel the need
to respond to that (much less use it as an opportunity to trumpet the
oddball views of one of those extremist social/political affiliations
you love to promote).
 
>> >How about the fact that
>> >at least one version of Windows 95 cannot find a requested device
>> >driver on a diskette if the *.INF file has the name in a different
>> >case from the way the file is stored on the diskette?
>> >I had
>> >to edit the *.INF file and change the filename's case before Windows
>> >could find the driver.

>You've glossed over the fact that I had to figure out what was wrong 
>and fix it. Which I did without finding the situation documented 
>anywhere.

Illogical. You just claimed earlier that the situation is documented
in Microsoft's Knowledge Base.

Do make up your mind, Bennie.
 
>> How about the fact that OS/2 users have to edit the files on their
>> install disks in order to install upon >8.4 gig IDE hard drives?

>Using a copy command to replace a file on a diskette is not usually
>referred to as "editing" files. The process of replacing the files
>on the installation diskette is well documented and supported by IBM.  

Just like your modem solution is documented on Microsoft's Knowledge
Base.

>This is more akin to having to set up the Windows 95 installation
>diskette to provide CDROM support (Windows 95 OSR B will not install
>as provided on the installation diskette).

Again, I just installed Windows upon a number of machines, and had no
such problems with it.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                21-Sep-99 13:38:18
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

pcguido@ibm.net said:

>Those who think OS/2 is too difficult to deal with, all those
>free fixpacks & feature upgrades that need to be installed,
>should try Linux for more than a few hours!

Let's see now.  My car has transmission trouble, but since it doesn't have a
bad
engine there's nothing wrong with it.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                21-Sep-99 13:34:29
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>The muscle would be the combined spending dollar of 10's
>of thousands of small OS/2 users, 

Let's be a little more specific.  Does anyone even know how many non-big biz
OS/2 users are out there?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          21-Sep-99 18:01:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>Karel Jansens
>Idiots shouldn't install or run OS/2.

That doesn't explain why Tholen has installed and run OS/2.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                21-Sep-99 13:43:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) said:

>> Yes, you can install OS/2 on a large drive as it comes out of the
>> package, but it won't access all of that drive.

>That wasn't the issue.

(Ah, so you are being cute - it all depends on what the definition of "is"
is.)

There is no "the issue" per se, because there are many issues.  But if you lay
that point aside, it IS "the issue."  IBM has left OS/2 on the market as a
jigsaw puzzle.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 21-Sep-99 17:44:26
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) wrote:

>How about OS/2's notoriously bad support for sound cards? Even the
>latest Creative Labs' cards aren't supported in OS/2, and those are
>the biggest selling sound cards.

What?  Surely this is a creative labs problem?  Is it MS's problem
that OS/2 software cant be run on Windows 95?

Craig

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From: cytan@fnal.gov                                    21-Sep-99 16:24:22
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problems

From: cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan)

In message <Ej0w7lFo08Zw-pn2-HLHpwr3hddor@pluto.dwparsons.dialin.t-online.de>
-:>
:>Just a quick reply for now.
:>It does look different from my log file.
:>What version of OS/2 are you using?
:>What directory did you unzip the files into?
:>Did you remember the -di -ov switches?
:>What is or was your previous version of Java?
:>From which directory did you run install?
:>Which files exactly did you download & try to install?
:>What order did you try to install them, or did you try to
:>install them all at once?
:>You said in an earlier post that you are using FI 1.2.5,
:>which version of Netscape are you using?
:>
:>-- 
:>Dave
:>


Success at last!!!!! After installing NS4.6gamma, I am able to 
install the entire java 1.1.8 distribution (runtime, ddk,
swing etc.)

My thanks to all who tried to help me get this piece of
software installed.


Cheng-Yang Tan
cytan@fnal.gov

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From: jackw@ibm.net                                     20-Sep-99 18:01:28
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:11
Subj: Fixpack 11

From: "Jack Weaver" <jackw@ibm.net>

When I attempted install Fixpack 11 for OS/2 Warp 4 using RSU it first
installed a new version of RSUINST.EXE and then it restarted and downloaded
and unziped a 1+ Mb file.  It then said that I must have version 1.78 of
RSUINST.EXE before I could continue and it proceeded to delete everything
that it had done and then it quit.  A check of the version of RSUINST.EXE
that the program had downloaded revealed that it was 1.77.  Does anyone know
where I can obtain the latest (v1.78 or better) of RSUINST.EXE?

Thanks for your help
Jack Weaver				|| TROPICON XVII -  Nov 13-15, 1998
South Florida Science Fiction Society	|| Guest of Honor:  Neil Gaiman
jackw@ibm.net				|| Visit TROPICON's Homepage at
jackw@bc.seflin.org			|| http://scifi.squawk.com/tropicon.html



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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          21-Sep-99 11:20:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

Jeff Glatt wrote:
> 
> >>>Bennie Nelson
> >>>OS/2 works with hardware that is current.  I have built brand new systems
> >>>with recently released off-the-shelf components, this year.  No problems.
> 
> >>>jglatt
> >>>Windows 95, on the other hand, did not fare so well.
> 
> >>Only because you're obviously not competent enough to do what many,
> >>many other people (including myself) do routinely -- install Windows.
> >>In fact, just this week I put together 3 various systems and installed
> >>Windows 9x from scratch. No problems. But then, unlike you, I know
> >>what I'm doing and have the skills to do it
> 
> >Are you saying that no one who is competent has ever had problems
> >installing Windows 95?
> 
> To paraphrase a kook whom you think exhibits great logic:

Jeff,
You've taken to using Dave Tholen's words to convey your meaning.  That's
risky, don't you think?  People might actually say that because you're
using his words, that means you're just like him.  In fact, that's the
kind of thing you've done in the past.  

You really need to be careful what you post here.


> 
> Reading comprehension problems, Bennie? I didn't say anything of the
> sort. I merely pointed out that you don't appear to be competent
> enough to do what many, many other people (including myself) do
> routinely -- install Windows without problems upon a variety of
> hardware.
> 
> >if a person has problems installing
> >Windows 95, then that is conclusive proof that the person doing the
> >install is incompetent?
> 
> If a person has problems installing an operating system, and he knows
> what he's doing, he usually can troubleshoot what is causing the
> problem and solve the problem. I do that all of the time.

So, do I.  

> 
> You likely don't have the skills to do that.

I gave you an example of troubleshooting a Windows 95 install problem.
You're ignoring the facts to suit your predetermined conclusion.

> 
> Nevertheless, that's not to say that I often have trouble installing
> Windows. Typically, I do not. Nor do I have more problems with one
> operating system versus another. After all, I know what I'm doing, and
> so I'm able to install operating systems with reasonably little
> trouble,
> 
> It appears that a number of the OS/2 users posting in this newsgroup
> are not qualified likewise.
> 
> >How about Windows 95's notoriously bad support for modems (well
> >documented on MS' Knowledgebase website)?
> 
> How about OS/2's notoriously bad support for sound cards? Even the
> latest Creative Labs' cards aren't supported in OS/2, and those are
> the biggest selling sound cards.

I question your equating the two circumstances.  Bad support does not
equal scanty support.  OS/2 has scanty support for newer sound cards.
That is, there are not many newer soundcards that are supported in
OS/2.  Windows 95 support for modems is bad in that the support is 
quite buggy.

> 
> >How about the fact that
> >at least one version of Windows 95 cannot find a requested device
> >driver on a diskette if the *.INF file has the name in a different
> >case from the way the file is stored on the diskette?
> >I had
> >to edit the *.INF file and change the filename's case before Windows
> >could find the driver.

You've glossed over the fact that I had to figure out what was wrong 
and fix it.  Which I did without finding the situation documented 
anywhere.

> 
> How about the fact that OS/2 users have to edit the files on their
> install disks in order to install upon >8.4 gig IDE hard drives?

Using a copy command to replace a file on a diskette is not usually
referred to as "editing" files.  The process of replacing the files
on the installation diskette is well documented and supported by IBM.  

This is more akin to having to set up the Windows 95 installation
diskette to provide CDROM support (Windows 95 OSR B will not install
as provided on the  installation diskette).

Regards,
Bennie Nelson

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          21-Sep-99 18:35:18
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>lifedata@xxvol.com
>What kind of evidence to you WANT?  Or are you being cute...

If you've seen Tholen's picture, then you'd realize that it's
impossible for him to "be cute"

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                21-Sep-99 13:37:15
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com> said:

>Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          21-Sep-99 18:04:25
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>>Karel Jansens
>>Idiots shouldn't install or run OS/2. That's why Windows was invented  (this 
is
>>really true!).

>lifedata@xxvol.com
>I knew this was boiling down to elitism.

That's because a false sense of elitism is *all* that OS/2 kooks have
left. They have nothing more to offer anyone.

It happened to Amiga True Believers too when they endorsed the same
kind of fanaticism.

Apparently, there are OS/2 "advocates" who want to kill OS/2.

>One self styled paragon said he hoped OS/2 stayed hard to use so the general
>public wouldn't spoil the OS/2 community with inferior intelligence. Sad.

Yes, OS/2 Advocacy has been espousing some very unpalatable views for
years. That's what helped put OS/2 where it is today, and *that* is
the epitome of "sad"

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 17:58:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <7s8bsn$4ov$4@news.hawaii.edu>,
Dave Tholen <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> wrote:
>Jason Bowen writes:
>
>>>>>>>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting
hardware.
>
>>>>>>> I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to help
>>>>>>> out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>>>>>>> the HCL.
>
>>>>>> I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>>>>>> Warp on new hardware.
>
>>>>> I didn't have to.  What you've heard doesn't change the fact that
Windows
>>>>> isn't a panacea to hardware support problems.
>
>>>> Why are you making that statement?  I didn't make any claim about
Windows.
>
>>> Incorrect:
>>>
>>> JB] I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting
hardware.
>>>
>>> It's right at the top of the article, Jason.
>>>
>>> See Message-ID: <7s5qf7$kig@peabody.colorado.edu> for the original.
>
>> I didn't claim it was a panacea.
>
>You did say that you never had a problem.

I didn't claim it was a panacea for others, you brought up the panacea
issue.  Why did you bring it up?  It seems irrelevant to bring it up
seeing as I wasn't calling windows a panacea, just relating my
experiences.  I do know that your experience doesn't change the fact that
OS/2 isn't a panacea to hardware support problems problems.

>
>> I said I didn't have problems with it.
>
>It?  What is "it"?  Could it be the "it" you didn't make any claim about?
>I see you didn't bother to address the evidence for you being wrong.
>

I talked about my experiences with it.  I didn't make a claim for others
or for it being a panacea for others.

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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          21-Sep-99 14:07:28
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

Jeff,
Your response has gotten trite.  You're starting to reuse many
of your tired phrases.  It didn't take long for you to introduce
Dave Tholen into the thread and try to make him the issue.  So
predictable.

You've changed my words so many times, which makes them your words.
Thus, you are attacking your own words.  Surely you can do better 
than that.

Some examples of changes:

Item (you substituted Ian) 
> >You've taken to using Ian Tholen's words to convey your meaning.


Item (you substituted couldn't) 
> And yet you claim that you couldn't install Windows operating systems
> because of problems.

I said that the Windows install was not without problems.  That is 
not the same as saying I could not get it to install.


Item (you replied this to my statement *.INF files)

> Illogical. You just claimed earlier that the situation is documented
> in Microsoft's Knowledge Base.

This is what I said about modems.  Nowhere did I indicate that the
*.INF problem was documented in the MS Knowledgebase.

> >>>How about Windows 95's notoriously bad support for modems (well
> >>>documented on MS' Knowledgebase website)?


Really, Jeff.  You can come up with something new.  Be creative.
Think, man!  There must be something you can add to spice up this 
thread.  These retread diatribes of yours are getting quite worn
out.

Regards,
Bennie Nelson



Jeff Glatt wrote:
> 
> >Bennie Nelson
> >You've taken to using Ian Tholen's words to convey your meaning.
> 
> No, I use Tholen's brand of "logic" to point out the "errors" in the
> logic of those kooks who think that he makes a lot of sense -- people
> like you. (ie, Don't forget that you're the one who believes that he
> relies upon logic and his detractors are "emotionally blocked" people
> who are "unskilled at logic").
> 
> Of course, being that OS/2 kooks are notorious hypocrites (and not too
> mentally swift either), they typically fail to see their own hypocrisy
> in putting forth arguments that their christ-like beacon of "logic"
> himself has already condemned as "illogical" when used by people whose
> opinions he doesn't happen to like.
> 
> >That's risky, don't you think?
> 
> Not at all. It has been my experience that the OS/2 kooks in this
> newsgroup are no more "intelligent" than their "hero" Tholen, and that
> qualifies as exceedingly low intellect, rife with mindless
> inconsistencies, dumb contradictions, a lack of common sense, immature
> naivete, an inability to be anything but plodding and pedantic, etc.
> (See my digest of Tholen's inane nonsense for a plethora of examples
> of his astounding stupidity).
> 
> I have nothing to fear from these people.
> 
> >People might actually say that because you're
> >using his words, that means you're just like him. In fact, that's the
> >kind of thing you've done in the past.
> 
> But of course, there already exists a "logical" Tholen Cliche to
> dismiss such an accusation as foolish.
> 
> The extent of Tholen's idiocy has been so comprehensive that there are
> now plenty of contradictions, inconsistencies, hypocrisy, etc, from
> which to draw upon and address just about any point that an OS/2 kook
> raises.
> 
> That's the legacy of fanaticism. It destroys itself. Tholen's idiocy
> has helped destroy that which it ineptly attempts to promote, and made
> anything that an OS/2 fanatic could utter susceptible to being shot
> down with Tholen's own brand of "logic".
> 
> >You really need to be careful what you post here.
> 
> You're presupposing that I'm not being careful with what I post here.
> 
> Sound familiar? It should. It's the sound of OS/2 fanaticism coming
> home to roost. It's a sound that other, overzealous niche product
> advocates, such as Amiga True Believers, heard. I suggest that you
> study up some history when you go back to the library and read up on
> what the Bill of Rights really guarantees.
> 
> >>If a person has problems installing an operating system, and he knows
> >>what he's doing, he usually can troubleshoot what is causing the
> >>problem and solve the problem. I do that all of the time.
> 
> >So, do I.
> 
> And yet you claim that you couldn't install Windows operating systems
> because of problems.
> 
> >>You likely don't have the skills to do that.
> 
> >I gave you an example of troubleshooting a Windows 95 install problem.
> 
> Then it's no longer a problem.
> 
> Apparently, you have no problems with Windows now.
> 
> Neither do I. Welcome to the reality that many others experience.
> 
> >>>How about Windows 95's notoriously bad support for modems (well
> >>>documented on MS' Knowledgebase website)?
> 
> >>How about OS/2's notoriously bad support for sound cards? Even the
> >>latest Creative Labs' cards aren't supported in OS/2, and those are
> >>the biggest selling sound cards.
> 
> >I question your equating the two circumstances.
> 
> You can question it all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that
> both statements talk about problems with hardware support.
> 
> >Bad support does not equal scanty support.
> 
> True. No support is even worse than some support.
> 
> >OS/2 has scanty support for newer sound cards.
> 
> That was my point above. It has problems with support.
> 
> >That is, there are not many newer soundcards that are supported in
> >OS/2.  Windows 95 support for modems is bad in that the support is
> >quite buggy.
> 
> Just like Tholen responds to such criticisms with a personal anecdote
> that he has never personally experienced a given situation cited by
> someone whose opinions he doesn't like, I'll just note that I've never
> experienced "buggy" modem support in any of the Windows 9x systems
> which I've put together.
> 
> Needless to say, you must find this a very logical rebuttal. After
> all, Tholen uses it quite often, and you don't seem to feel the need
> to respond to that (much less use it as an opportunity to trumpet the
> oddball views of one of those extremist social/political affiliations
> you love to promote).
> 
> >> >How about the fact that
> >> >at least one version of Windows 95 cannot find a requested device
> >> >driver on a diskette if the *.INF file has the name in a different
> >> >case from the way the file is stored on the diskette?
> >> >I had
> >> >to edit the *.INF file and change the filename's case before Windows
> >> >could find the driver.
> 
> >You've glossed over the fact that I had to figure out what was wrong
> >and fix it. Which I did without finding the situation documented
> >anywhere.
> 
> Illogical. You just claimed earlier that the situation is documented
> in Microsoft's Knowledge Base.
> 
> Do make up your mind, Bennie.
> 
> >> How about the fact that OS/2 users have to edit the files on their
> >> install disks in order to install upon >8.4 gig IDE hard drives?
> 
> >Using a copy command to replace a file on a diskette is not usually
> >referred to as "editing" files. The process of replacing the files
> >on the installation diskette is well documented and supported by IBM.
> 
> Just like your modem solution is documented on Microsoft's Knowledge
> Base.
> 
> >This is more akin to having to set up the Windows 95 installation
> >diskette to provide CDROM support (Windows 95 OSR B will not install
> >as provided on the installation diskette).
> 
> Again, I just installed Windows upon a number of machines, and had no
> such problems with it.

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          21-Sep-99 19:49:19
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>Bennie Nelson
>Your response has gotten trite.

How ironic, coming from someone whose hypocrisy has gotten trite.

>You're starting to reuse many of your tired phrases.

Illogical. You claim that I'm repeating Tholen's words, and yet you
don't seem to find those phrases "tired" when Tholen reuses them. In
fact, you cite them as examples of logic, Bennie.

Typical hypocrisy from an OS/2 kook.

>It didn't take long for you to introduce
>Dave Tholen into the thread and try to make him the issue.

How ironic, coming from someone who made Tholen an issue, and even
declared his detractors to be "emotionally blocked" people who are
"unskilled at logic".

Typical hypocrisy from an OS/2 kook.

>So predictable.

How ironic, coming from someone whose hypocrisy is predictable, and
easily exposed.

>You've changed my words so many times, which makes them your words.

Nonsense, Bennie. Your words are above.

And they still are hypocritical and illogical.

>Thus, you are attacking your own words.

Nonsense. Can you not read attribution lines, Bennie?

>Surely you can do better than that.

I have done better than what you posted above.

Can *you* do better, Bennie?

>Some examples of changes:

>Item (you substituted Ian) 
>>>You've taken to using Ian Tholen's words to convey your meaning.

Ian is the person to which we're referring, Bennie. Do try to keep up.

>Item (you substituted couldn't) 
>>And yet you claim that you couldn't install Windows operating systems
>>because of problems.

>I said that the Windows install was not without problems. That is 
>not the same as saying I could not get it to install.

In fact, you claim such things as:

"The subsequent completion of the installs met with mixed success."

If you haven't had a successful completion of the install, then you
haven't had a successful install.

I, on the other hand, am competent enough to successfully complete
Windows installations upon various computers. You apparently haven't
been able to cite any such track record. That's my point.

>Nowhere did I indicate that the
>*.INF problem was documented in the MS Knowledgebase.

Illogical, Bennie. Why did you then claim that MS' Knowledge base is
"well documented" concerning "buggy modem support"?

>You can come up with something new.  Be creative.
>Think, man!  There must be something you can add to spice up this 
>thread.  These retread diatribes of yours are getting quite worn
>out.

How ironic, coming from someone whose hypocrisy in praising Tholen's
worn out, repeated cliches as "logic", and then dismissing those same
phrases as uncreative and worn out when used by someone whose opinions
he doesn't like, is obvious.

You're just a kook whose opinions are based upon brand name
allegiance. Maybe if you weren't so unskilled at logic and emotionally
blocked, you could come up with something more creative than your
tired, worn out hypocrisy and promotion of kooky, oddball factions

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From: richard@NOSPAMwebtrek.com                         21-Sep-99 19:28:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: richard@NOSPAMwebtrek.com (Richard R. Klemmer)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:17:26, "Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com> wrote:

> > > Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!
> >
> > It was released yesterday.  Go to IBM's Software Choice web site.
> 
> Not when I was there it wasn't.
> 

Just to clear this up, Netscape 4.61 is on the Software Choice site, 
include a 128bit encryption version.  There have been two beta's out 
for a while now, which were both very stable.

Just to clear up this issue.

-----------------------------
Richard R. Klemmer
richard@webtrek.com
http://www.webtrek.com
-----------------------------

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From: jmalloy@borg.com                                  21-Sep-99 15:17:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: "Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com>

Something claiming to be a <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> boneheadedly
tholened:

> > Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!
>
> It was released yesterday.  Go to IBM's Software Choice web site.

Not when I was there it wasn't.

> Chalk up another bonehead posting by Joe Malloy.

IBM posts his Netscape 4.61 just in the nick of time (at least according to
him).  It figures Tholen is a bonehead about it -- once a Kook-of-the-Month,
always a Kook.


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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         21-Sep-99 17:50:17
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:45:28, 
waynebrown@cableregina.com wrote:

> Now, if only we could do our banking from home using OS2!!!!
> 
> Wayne Brown

I did it with Roayl Bank of Canada, and 
now with Toronto Dominion, using 
Netscape 4.61, with 128b encryption

//-------------------------
Good Luck

Bonne Chance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

ICQ #48552954

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 21-Sep-99 17:33:12
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>It all boils down to one thing.  They are scared spitless of having to
support
>it to a general public.

And that should be fine with us.  IMHO they really lacked the skills
to support their own OS/2 channel.  This is where things fell apart.

Ford Mo Co don't support directly the millions of Ford car drivers out
there - dealerships do (for the most part anyway).  This is how mega
corporates work.  Ford supports their dealership network.

IBM would like (I'm sure) to do the same.  They don't want to be
bothered with the fliddling small change.  Also, direct invovement
will in fact -kill- your dealer channel.

Want SOHO support, thats fine by IBM, start a company which
specialises in SOHO support, provide big fat cheques to IBM on a
regular basis and they will roll out the red carpet.

Its business remember, money talks and bullshit walks (heh).  Somehow
the mindset of the OS/2 community started focusing on IBM to be the
provider of all things (and cheap to!).  IBM naturally balks at this
and is running...quickly, from the scene.

It'll all come down to a pretty simple argument in the end.  Does the
OS/2 community value OS/2 enough to front the dollars required to keep
development going?  

As I've said in previous posts, this is not a task for the lone home
users, there just are not enough of them, and their buy mentality does
not in general extend to venturing capital on developing a product.

Big businesses are self centred (as they should be to a certain
extent) and produce or have produced for them, internal code running
os OS/2 which is usually of no interest to the home user.  

We need to pull together, write up a short list of the product we
want/need for OS/2, fill in the blanks on the cost to produce such
software, produce the cash, write the code, then sell it to the wider
audience.

Its all about economics.  If this type of venture cannot be made to
work, its because there is not enough demand for the product, and OS/2
will, and, in a financial sense, should die.  Lets not make it bloody
though folks.  Cut straight to the heart of the problem, produce a
working plan, and if it cant work - put the OS to rest and let it die
with some dignity.

Craig



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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               21-Sep-99 16:32:08
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

fup set to comp.os.os2.advocacy

> My personal opinion on all this OS/2-IBM-SD news is that even if I
personally
> would have thought it would be great fun to see a new Warp 5 client
released,
> even from SD (especially with SMP support enabled), the current OS/2
versions
> will continue to work well for customers as long as IBM continues to support
> them (and for my own systems I'm more than happy with running NT4 and to
also
> be experimenting with Win 2K B3 and FreeBSD installations) .

Yeah, weird. Do not remember ever having seen Timmy attack you as a
Microsoft Salesman or something along that lines. Oh, <g> that must be be-
cause you are not an OS/2 user at all, not even partially, just here for the
fun.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           21-Sep-99 18:48:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:45:28, waynebrown@cableregina.com wrote:

> Now, if only we could do our banking from home using OS2!!!!
>  
> Wayne Brown
>  

I do it all the time. Toronto Dominion Bank, in Canada. The only 
things I can't do, is withdraw, or deposit, cash, or get into my 
safety deposit box. I know of others who use the CIBC system (with a 
work around for the "invalid" browser problem), and I suspect that 
Bank of Montreal also works, but I don't know for sure.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca                       21-Sep-99 20:01:13
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Edmond Dantes (admin@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.

Should be WarpAMP on there.

PM123 and WarpAMP both do MP3's.

In my experience:
PM123 looks the coolest, and you can use the WinAMP skins (or convert
them). This is shareware. However, I find some bugs (or maybe it didn't
work the way I wanted) and some MP3's played with errors, a tinny, echoing
sound. It also makes anything but the default pointer set very jumpy mouse
movement.

WarpAMP
Looks very OS/2'ish, industrial. No skins. This is beta4 and freeware I
believe. I have found no bugs yet, and the same MP3's that "failed" on
PM123 worked perfectly on WarpAMP. This is my first pick, even though it
wasn't as pretty looking :)


Isaac

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From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca                       21-Sep-99 20:06:02
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 + Linux + Win95 + WinNT

From: isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

When you install LILO, do NOT select MBR. Just put it on /dev/sdb7
Then, use OS/2's fdisk and put the Linux partition (/dev/sdb7) on Boot
Manager's menu.

This is what I do and there are no problems.


Isaac

Allen Cogbill (acogbill@ibm.net) wrote:
: Hello, I need some advice from someone who has used Linux with OS/2's
: Boot Manager. I have installed Linux RedHat, but haven't quite figured
: out how to boot from it using Boot Manager. Here's my setup:

: Disk 1 (EIDE):   C: (primary)     Win95   [useful only for games]
:                  C: (primary)     WinNT 4.0
:                  D: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 mantenance partition
:                  E: (logical)     HPFS, OS/2 Warp 4, FP 8

: Disk 2 (EIDE)    F: (logical)     HPFS
:                  G: (logical)     HPFS

: Disk 3 (SCSI)    H: (logical)     HPFS
:                  /dev/sdb1        Linux swap
:                  /dev/sdb7        Linux native (/  partition)
:                  /dev/sdb8        Linux native (/usr partition)
:                  /dev/sdb9        Linux native (/home partition)

: I have Boot Manager set up to boot to either Win95, WinNT, Warp
(maintenance),
: Warp (main system), or RedHat (the root partition).  I can boot to the Linux 

: partition without difficulty by using a boot floppy. If I try to boot from
: Boot Manager, I get garbage scrolling across the console.

: I'm pretty sure that I need to install LILO into the root partition, but at
: this point I haven't figured out just how to do that. If anyone here has
: experience in this matter, I'd appreciate some advice.

: Allen Cogbill
: Los Alamos, NM



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From: prjones@ibm.net                                   21-Sep-99 19:57:06
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: loss of COM.SYS on install

From: Paul Jones <prjones@ibm.net>

Hi, all - can anybody point me to the best place to hep me with this
one?

I had to re-install Warp4 from my original CD, and everything SEEMED to
go OK!  When I re-booted, the first I knew of anything wrong was that
the system told me that the line "OS2|boot\com.sys" in the config.sys
file would be ignored as the file couldn't be opened.

The actual result is that I can't get the modem to wake up so my net
acces now is restricted to windows!

I'd be grateful if anybody can give me any pointers - I have tried deja
news, but can't see anything similar.

Thanks,

Paul Jones


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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               21-Sep-99 14:28:10
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: Fixpack 11

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Jack, everything you need for RSU is here,
http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/softupd.html.

Irv

Jack Weaver wrote:
> 
> When I attempted install Fixpack 11 for OS/2 Warp 4 using RSU it first
> installed a new version of RSUINST.EXE and then it restarted and downloaded
> and unziped a 1+ Mb file.  It then said that I must have version 1.78 of
> RSUINST.EXE before I could continue and it proceeded to delete everything
> that it had done and then it quit.  A check of the version of RSUINST.EXE
> that the program had downloaded revealed that it was 1.77.  Does anyone know
> where I can obtain the latest (v1.78 or better) of RSUINST.EXE?
> 
> Thanks for your help
> Jack Weaver                             || TROPICON XVII -  Nov 13-15, 1998
> South Florida Science Fiction Society   || Guest of Honor:  Neil Gaiman
> jackw@ibm.net                           || Visit TROPICON's Homepage at
> jackw@bc.seflin.org                     ||
http://scifi.squawk.com/tropicon.html

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          21-Sep-99 19:29:11
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: Adding 2nd HardDrive for OS/2

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:29:26, "JENNIFER L CARTER" <COSMICDEMON@prodigy.net> 
wrote:

:I decided the way I
:want to OS/2 v.3 to my present system (PII 233, 64 mb, 4.3 gig) is to add
:another Hard drive not a big one , 500- 1000 mb. I do not want to partion my
:present hard drive, adding a second HD is the way I want to go.

 You'll have to create room somewhere on your first hard disk for Boot 
Manager, there's no getting around that. Also you'll need to update copies of 
Warp 3's install diskettes with 
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/os2ddpak/idedasd.exe

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               21-Sep-99 22:41:19
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

e-frog schrieb:
> PM123 looks the coolest, and you can use the WinAMP skins (or convert
> them). This is shareware. However, I find some bugs (or maybe it didn't
> work the way I wanted) and some MP3's played with errors, a tinny, echoing
> sound. It also makes anything but the default pointer set very jumpy mouse
> movement.

Hm, I guess you have turned on the analyser plug-in, don't you? Try
turning it off for better mouse behaviour.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: jonphil@ibm.net                                   21-Sep-99 21:09:24
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Printer Driver Anyone

From: Jon <jonphil@ibm.net>

I'm having big problems using the lastest printer drivers from IBM.
Does anyone have an ealier laserjet driver for the OKIPAGE 6ex.
I have told IBM of this problem but all they wanted to do was to get me
to call a number in the USA (I'm in the UK) on a paid for support basis.

Help!

Jonathan

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    21-Sep-99 19:37:18
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: New keyboard ??

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:58:07, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:58:40, rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager) wrote:
> > There's a keyboard macro utility on Hobbes (sorry, I forget the name 
> > but that description should turn it up) that claims to utilise SOME 
> > extra keys...
> 
> X-IT (if I have the name right) claims to do this, making use of the three 
> Windows-icon-marked keys, and it is highly recommended by lots of users for
> whom it works. It does not work here on this system, with a Supermicro MB. 
> It is worth a try to DL the demo, but don't be surprised if you can't make 
> it do what it claims.

I remembered the name of the thing I was mentioning - KBPLUS.

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           21-Sep-99 16:33:06
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Christian Hennecke wrote:
> 
> Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> >
> > Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.
> 
> There are 3 players AFAIK: PM123, WarpAmp beta 4 and QU PM-Player. PM123
> is shareware, the other two are free. You should be able to find all of
> them on Hobbes.
> 
> Christian Hennecke
> --
> Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

I find WarpAmp works better than anything else I've tried (but the last
time I tried PM123, it was just barely out of alpha. Never could get
WinAmp to run on NT 3.51).

As an aside, I also have the text-based mpg123 under both OS/2 and
Linux, and it works wondrously under OS/2 while I do other things, but
to get clear sound on Linux, I need to play it in mono format and with
only alternate samples, and have nothing else running in the foreground.
That's with 80 MB RAM under Linux and only 64 MB under OS/2 (the
motherboard on this box is just too old to tell OS/2 about that last 16
MB, no matter what fixpack or bios settings are used) - Linux has just
too much background activity to handle mp3s on this old P5/90.
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From: davek@clark.net                                   21-Sep-99 20:14:18
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: davek@clark.net (David Kunz)

Karel Jansens (jansens_at_ibm_dot_net) wrote:                         

: Maybe, but it should now have become painfully clear that you are 
: talking about things you know absolutely nothing about: OS/2 *will* 
: install on +8.4GB drives (there's not enough room to install it on 
: 8.4 MB drives). It just needs a little tweaking.                    

Just did it.  OS/2 boot partition's first, then a "small", 10gig HPFS
data partition :).  Try that with M$...

--
David Kunz
Operator error.  Replace operator and strike any key to continue...

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 21-Sep-99 20:14:05
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: FINAL WARNING! 7.672807.44f.2520qf.v4.89ov.kg

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <199909190416.GAA04608@lobeda.jena.thur.de>, Anonymous User
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:
>
>
>                  [updated 2451441.25569]
>
>The reckoning is already begun! Note: Nostradamus' "seven month"
>is *definitely* Ethanim[Tishri], 1999 AD[Century X-Quatrain 72]:
>
>"every eye shall see him"
> [ref. Apokalupsis Ioanes]

>
>Happy earthchanges,
>Daniel
>

Really appreciate the reminder - checked my IBM Works Planner, must
be another y2K bug, the date wasn't properly entered at all . . . . 

umm, since the end of the world is nigh unto us, would ya'all have any
suggestions on somewhere to relocate ? 

All packed, waiting for the Bekins truck . . . . 


----------------------------------------------------------
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Windows NT - the Ornithopter of Operating Systems
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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      21-Sep-99 23:00:00
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn [TeleKabel] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ > Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

Check your news reader, or it's settings, van de MP. You have replied to the
wrong post (contents of quoting doesn't match the post you reference to in
your headers).
 
¯ fup set to comp.os.os2.advocacy

Set back to *.misc as it belongs in (as it's here I post and you flame me).

I'm very sorry, but this has nothing to do with advocacy of different
operating systems (which I'm in difference to you is not very interested in).

[ snip on typical poor flames best belonging to *alt.flame*, and not further
  commented by me as I lack any such interest ]

¯ cause you are not an OS/2 user at all, not even partially, just here for the 
fun.

I think it's you who seems to think flames and poor unfounded personal attacks
and insults is great fun (perhaps you just like trolling the group). 

I apologize I don't share your, IMO perverse and pathetic, interest in this.

FWIW (as I assume you don't really care to listen judging by previous posts): 

I'm among the first one who would really have liked to see a Warp 5 client
from StarDock if it had supported SMP (which it would if they would have based
it on the WSeB kernel). As it is today I don't have much use of operating
systems (like for example OS/2 W3/4 and Win 95/98) who only can use a single
processor (I could use them, but it would be a big waste of resources compared
to FreeBSD, NT, Linux, BeOS, Solaris and all other systems who can). In a
strong difference however to all the very negative posting about OS/2s future
I don't believe that it has changed anything compared to before (even if I
personally is a bit disappointed as it would be fun to again run OS/2 if the
SMP client would be here). I'm both a reseller of OS/2 and also have some
customers still using it. For them (and most other current users who is happy
with OS/2) it will continue to work just as fine as before this news. This
news in itself doesn't change that in any way. And, like I also mentioned in
the posting you quoted, as long as IBM continues to support it I see no need
for anyone to stop using it.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      21-Sep-99 23:00:00
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Joe Malloy [] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

[ FT -> comp.os.os2.misc ]

¯ > I'm a home user, and IBM is providing me with Netscape 4.61, which isn't
¯ > what I call abandonment.
¯ 
¯ Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!

Wrong actually (even if it might not look like that at first).

It's not found in the normal place at the Netscape download site as it's IBM
themselves who both develops and (as relevant in this case) also distributes
the Navigator (2) and Communicator (4.x) versions for OS/2 at their own site.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                21-Sep-99 15:59:26
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

> Oh sure, I wouldnt argue this for a moment.  But lets be clear.  The
> one thing IBM has been very upfront about is the fact that they do not
> want, and are not interested in what they call 'the kitchentop
> market'.

The phrase 'kitchentop market' conjures up an image into my mind, but
that image does not include the small business operator.  I find it
sad that IBM sees fit to relegate them to that group.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    21-Sep-99 21:48:04
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <37e7b923.2996598@news.omen.net.au>, Mooo <zayne@omen.com.au>
wrote:
>bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen) wrote:
>
>>Tell me about Warp 4 out of the box on a 10 gig hard drive.
>
>Well, to be fair, tell me of your good experiences with installing NT
>on a HDD > 8GB out of the box?

To be fair I am not discussing NT, nor do I use it.  Linux installed just
fine for me though in case you are wondering.

>
>You have to patch the boot diskettes on OS/2 - its really no biggy.

So this is a selling point to grow the market?  An updated client with
more hardware supported out of the box would seem to be more of a vote of
confidence in the product by IBM.

>
>
>>>In fact, I'd go the other way and say that its never been easier to
>>>install OS/2.  You should have seen me frothing at the mouth with
>>>frustration back in '95 trying to get Warp 3 Red Spine to install!
>>
>>I just couldn't get 1024x768 at 75 hz, only 43 interlaced on a S3 Trio64v+
>>based card.  That was the last straw for me.
>
>Surely this is an S3 issue?  I've run this card, a 2MB version at
>1024x768 and 70Hz, I won't quibble over 5Hz, and never tried 75Hz or
>greater as my monitor won't support it.

Actually Windows and Linux did it find.  Look up posts on deja.com about
diamond stealth s3 based adapters.

>
>That particular card is really cheap, and does a great job for the
>money.  You want 1600x1200 in true colour at 85Hz?  Buy a Matrox, or
>another quality, higher end card.

I do have a matrox milleninum, which wasn't cheap at the time.  Why can't
I just choose my hardware based on what I want rather than what they tell 
me to buy?  Having limited choices isn't a good argument.

>
>
>>>A lot depends on hardware choice.  If you choose carefully, and buy
>>>quality kit, it nearly always works.  
>>
>>Why should you have to do this?  You are letting IBM dictate to you what
>>you should and shouldn't own hardware wise?
>
>The PC component market is very diverse, and an aweful lot of the
>clone parts are complete rubbish.  Why would IBM bother to provide
>drivers for hardware thats so flakey it will crash you're machine
>anyway?

Diamond is a big manufacturer.  I wasn't the only one with problems.

>
>A big generalisation I know, but I stand by my first remark - get
>quality kit, that is supported and you will have no problems.  You
>have to do this with BeOS, SCO Unix, Netware, Solaris x86 etc etc why
>not OS/2

Because it is declining in userbase and app availibility?

>
>
>Craig


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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            21-Sep-99 21:23:27
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:05:24, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) said:
> 
> >Idiots shouldn't install or run OS/2. That's why Windows was invented 
(this is
> >really true!).
> 
> I knew this was boiling down to elitism.
> 
> One self styled paragon said he hoped OS/2 stayed hard to use so the general
> public wouldn't spoil the OS/2 community with inferior intelligence.  Sad.
> 
If it's elitism, it's coming from His Gatesness himself. Windows 3.0 
was made mainly because OS/2 was considered to be too complex for the 
ordinary user.

Oh yeah, and it required too expensive hardware. Kinda funny, if you 
compare nowadays hardware requirements of OS/2 and Windows. 

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
=======================================================
If we could have our cake _and_ eat it,
people would start whining about seconds.
=======================================================

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From: pbackman@remoove.algonet.se                       21-Sep-99 22:05:00
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:00
Subj: Re: XFree86 and 127.0.0.1 Loopback

From: pbackman@remoove.algonet.se (Per Backman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:21:05, jpedone_no_spam@flash.net wrote:

> without the "up".  Also make sure you have the line:
> 
> 127.0.0.1 localhost 
> 
> in x:\mptn\etc\hosts and x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts
> 
>  
And do hit ENTER after the line, or else it will not work! There must 
be a linebreak. That was the problem for me at least (I think it is 
described in the readmefile too).

Per B.
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From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com                          21-Sep-99 23:05:05
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com (Timothy J. Bogart)

In article <dN=nN6ft4gxmvyMKmEJBmINGIGgg@news.kraftwerk.net>,
Martin Nisshagen  <Remove silverware to reply> wrote:
>Joe Malloy [] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
>[ FT -> comp.os.os2.misc ]
>
>» > I'm a home user, and IBM is providing me with Netscape 4.61, which isn't
>» > what I call abandonment.
>» 
>» Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!
>
>Wrong actually (even if it might not look like that at first).
>
>It's not found in the normal place at the Netscape download site as it's IBM
>themselves who both develops and (as relevant in this case) also distributes
>the Navigator (2) and Communicator (4.x) versions for OS/2 at their own site.
Well, look at the first quoted line..."IBM is providing me with"...

How is this person wrong?

>
>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n
>
>-- 
>Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
>CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
>d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 21-Sep-99 21:50:04
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <DCEDA7D34B3DB668.0440C7A074E73404.B29EBB71CEEB181E@lp.airnews.net>, Dale
Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> writes:
>> Oh sure, I wouldnt argue this for a moment.  But lets be clear.  The
>> one thing IBM has been very upfront about is the fact that they do not
>> want, and are not interested in what they call 'the kitchentop
>> market'.
>
>The phrase 'kitchentop market' conjures up an image into my mind, but
>that image does not include the small business operator.  I find it
>sad that IBM sees fit to relegate them to that group.

amid all the talk of IBM and Big Business, it's easy to forget that not
so long ago IBM sold Selectric typewriters, sold them to any size
business, supported them well, and made money at it. There's just
more to this OS/2 thing than meets the eye,


>-- 
>Dale Erwin
>3624 Coral Gables Drive
>Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
>(214)893-8738


sk†l !

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From: mamodeo@stny.rr.com                               21-Sep-99 19:19:15
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com>

Karel Jansens wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:03:36, Marty <mamodeo@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Karel Jansens wrote:
> > > Yes I do (marginally, because I don't have a Matrox card and I didn't
> > > use Linux at the time). I also remember the argument always was that
> > > writing drivers was too expensive... until someone in the know pointed
> > > out that writing a driver for a graphics card is essentially trivial
> > > work for a manufacturer. The tricle seemed to become a gentle stream
> > > after that.
> > >
> > > > The only reason things are changing now is because more companies are
> > > > finding Linux a viable platform.  Also, the "invention" of compiled
modules
> > > > a while back has helped the situation a bit, where drivers can be
> > > > distributed <without> source.  Open source is definitely not something 
that
> > > > encourages hardware support for sure.
> > >
> > > I've heard that plenty times but I still don't get that argument. What
> > > in the name of seven hells would someone *do* with the source code for
> > > a hardware thingie if he didn't buy the hardware gizmo in the first
> > > place? Like I said above: it's not like video drivers are rocket
> > > science or something, so what would a manufacturer gain by keeping
> > > them locked away? "Gain" less customers?
> >
> > It's not want <someone> would do with the information.  The drivers for
> > the video card often have proprietary interfaces and details on how to
> > access them.  Possibly enough information to sufficiently be able to
> > reverse engineer some features or at least figure out which features are
> > present.  This information getting out could be devastating for a
> > company that just implemented a new feature if another competetor gets
> > their hands on it.  Businesses have to look out for their own
> > interests.  There's no gain from keeping the information locked away,
> > but it also prevents a possibly catastrophic loss of a technological
> > "edge."
> >
> But if you see how swiftly the open community manages to
> reverse-engineer those precious drivers, doesn't that hyper-protective
> attitude of the manufacturers strike you as a bit - ehrmm - stoopid?

How many drivers do you know of are the product of reverse engineering? 
Name a few.  Reverse engineering entails having minimal to no
specifications and figuring out how something works.  I don't think I've
ever seen this happen in hardware drivers.  Perhaps Scitech comes close,
but even they can't get by without a bit of assistance from the video card
manufacturers.
 
> Besides, I'd really love to see someone copying a video board from the
> software drivers. A genius like that should be making
> quantum-computers, not gameblasters <G>.

It's not about copying a video card.  It's about seeing, "Hey... Matrox has
some 3D functionality in their 2D board designs.  Maybe we should do that
too."  It's about not giving new ideas a time period in which the inventing
company can profit from them by having a technical edge.

- Marty

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          21-Sep-99 22:29:00
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:00:01, Martin Nisshagen 
<forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> a Úcrit dans un message:

> Joe Malloy [] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
> 
> [ FT -> comp.os.os2.misc ]
> 
> î > I'm a home user, and IBM is providing me with Netscape 4.61, which isn't
> î > what I call abandonment.
> î 
> î Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!
> 
> Wrong actually (even if it might not look like that at first).
> 
> It's not found in the normal place at the Netscape download site as it's IBM
> themselves who both develops and (as relevant in this case) also distributes
> the Navigator (2) and Communicator (4.x) versions for OS/2 at their own
site.

Yes, you're correct, but it's high time Netscape added links at their site 
to the IBM locations for the OS/2 versions. It *DOES* appear to all and 
sundry coming in on an internal link in their browser that there are no 
Netscape versions for OS/2.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               21-Sep-99 17:41:05
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Judgement Day: The truth

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Dan Casey wrote:
<snip>

> This is one deal that did not materialize when expected. OS/2 is NOT dead,
and
> IBM has NOT dropped its support. However, I feel that the next 6 to 12
months
> will be a "very interesting time".

Gee, can you get this out to all the members of the press?
IDG of Germany is now running an exclusive interview with
Brad Wardell which quotes Adrian Geschwind of OS/2 NetLabs
as saying,

"OS/2 is dead. Once again. Definitely this time."

The German OS/2 user is perplexed.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"


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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      22-Sep-99 09:31:03
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:01:27, isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog) wrote:

> PM123 looks the coolest, and you can use the WinAMP skins (or convert
> them). This is shareware. However, I find some bugs (or maybe it didn't
> work the way I wanted) and some MP3's played with errors, a tinny, echoing
> sound. It also makes anything but the default pointer set very jumpy mouse
> movement.

That's 'cause you're using a software cursor. Try selecting one of the black
or 
white pointer sets and it'll stop jumping around. Another option is to use the 

Gradd or SDD drivers as this also stops the jumping around of the cursor with 
the analyzer display turned on. It's a DIVE problem, not a PM123 problem.

Second, there are updates to PM123 1.01. Especially the MPG123.DLL updates..
Get
the latest one of Samuel Audet's page and you'll find that it will play most
of 
the MP3's that couldn't be played before and MP3's that are playing with
errors.


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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      22-Sep-99 02:51:27
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Timothy J. Bogart [NeoSoft, Inc. +1 713 968 5800] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ >¯ > I'm a home user, and IBM is providing me with Netscape 4.61, which
isn't
¯ >¯ > what I call abandonment.
¯ >¯ 
¯ >¯ Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!
¯ >
¯ >Wrong actually (even if it might not look like that at first).
¯ >
¯ >It's not found in the normal place at the Netscape download site as it's
IBM
¯ >themselves who both develops and (as relevant in this case) also
distributes
¯ >the Navigator (2) and Communicator (4.x) versions for OS/2 at their own
site.

¯ Well, look at the first quoted line..."IBM is providing me with"...

Yes, and?
 
¯ How is this person wrong?

???

Sorry, but your comments doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Please explain (unless you just try to troll).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    21-Sep-99 18:53:25
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Judgement Day: The truth

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the circumstances surrounding
the decision by  IBM to not accept Stardock's proposal to release  a new Warp
Client. In the interest of attempting to clarify the situation, here's the
events, as they unfolded.

Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:45 -0400

Brad Wardell posted the following message to the stardock.os2 newsgroup at
Stardock:

From - Sun Sep 19 17:30:36 1999
From: "Brad Wardell" <bwardell@stardock.com>
Subject: Judgement Day results
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:45 -0400

In 1998, Stardock took the position that if IBM had no current or projected
plans for a new fat OS/2 client, that it was in the interests of OS/2 users
and the computing community in general that a third-party should work with
IBM to license OS/2 technology on an OEM basis and make a new client
available.

To that end, late last year, Stardock prepared a business plan and opened
negotiations with IBM. The wheels of bureacracy grind slowly, but eventually
it was up to "IBM" (executive level) to make the ultimate call on
proceeding.

For the past 6 months, Stardock and IBM have been working closely together
in hammering out the details of an OS/2 client.  Everything from potential
names down to which minute components would or would not be included.  These
meetings included multiple in-person meetings with IBM staff and executives
here at Stardock's office complex in Livonia Michigan.

With an agreement in principle in place, the last major hurdle was this week
in which the IBMers in favor of our proposal (mostly in Austin) presented
their case to IBM as a whole.

The call has been made -- there will be no new client from Stardock and IBM
has indicated that they have no plans for an OS/2-based client of their own.

Though IBM indicated Stardock had the strongest proposal, they have decided
that it is currently not in IBM's or their customer's interests to license
any current OS/2 technology on an OEM-basis.

There was never any discord between IBM and Stardock over financials,
technical viability, target market, or the like.  IBM has simply finally
made the decision that a new OS/2 client would be in conflict with their
strategic directions.

Stardock would like to extend a special thanks to all the IBMers (and in
particular Ken Christopher and Timothy Sipples) who went above and beyond
the call in working with us and going to bat inside IBM.  Remember when you
meet folks like them, who are and have been intimately involved with OS/2,
that their hands may be just as tied as yours when the IBM Corporation as a
whole sets policy.

Everything that could be done was done.

Brad

---
Brad Wardell
Product Manager: Object Desktop & The Corporate Machine
http://www.stardock.com

=========================================================================

On Saturday, September 18th,  the following appeared at os2.org, an  OS/2
support site in Germany:

What's The Truth Behind 'The Meeting'?
Today is the first day of Warp Expo West and our reporters are sending in a
great many news stories. First, let's start with the very much publicized
meeting
Brad Wardell claims to have taken place yesterday which is getting much
airplay
today.

According to an IBM official attending Warp Expo West, no meeting took place
yesterday on the future status of OS/2. He should know, he sits on the
committee itself. On top of this he said IBM has ruled no third party entity
out of the running to offer a third party release of Warp 5.

==========================================================================

Then, Sunday, Sept. 19th, the following appeared in a mailing list (the PMMAIL
list, under the subject "Death Knell for OS/2"):

"According to Stephen King at Warp Expo West speaking in front of
approximately 100 people, Brad Wardell is wrong. No meeting took
place. It was canceled. He says he should know he is on the committee."

This post, and subsequent e-mail exchanges between myself and the original
poster (Jay Gibberman) brought forth even more detail on Steven King's
statement at Warp Expo West.

==========================================================================

In an attempt to clarify things, and put an  end to the confusion, I e-mailed
Timothy Sipples and asked him if he could comment. In the context of his
response, the "this one" in the  opening sentence is referring  to the  report
posted at os2.org.

==========================================================================

Dan:

Brad's statement and this one are not inconsistent.

The meeting didn't take place because there was a meeting ahead of the
meeting,
at which it was decided there wasn't any need to have a meeting because IBM
was
not going to pursue Stardock's proposal (and the "agreement in principle"
between IBM and Stardock).  (You see, you only have *that* meeting to
*approve*
agenda items.)

IBM hasn't ruled any third party out of offering a new client, but it hasn't
ruled any third party (or itself) *in*, either.  (IBM almost never rules
anything out.)  Brad's statement was accurate; Stardock anticipates no change
in
IBM's stance.

Brad's statement was also accurate that IBM has received more than one offer.
Thus far IBM has rejected all of them "at this time."

But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, since it's all
public.
And I'll repeat my earlier comment which is that I'm in the dark on this one
(because I am).

============================================================================

Now, we all know that, as is typical in a large company  or organization,
sometimes the lines of communication are not, well,clear and concise,
amongst and between different departments and even,in  some cases,
betweenmembers of the same department.

As I  was not in attendance at the presentation  given by Steven King, I have
no idea in  what context he was speaking when he made the above statement.
And,
since I have no corroborating "testimony" at this time, I have no way of
knowing if this is, in fact, what he actually said, though the source of the
info seems very reliable.

So, I e-mailed Steven King and asked him, directly, if he could clarify the
situation, and give me something I could quote him on. Here is his response,
quoted verbatim, from his e-mail reply to me:

============================================================================

Hi Dan -

The IPMT (Intergrated Product Management Team) meeting scheduled for 9/16 did
not take place due to the weather situation on the east coast. There are 2 key
issues that we are facing:

     Volume/revenue forecast for such an offering

     National language plan (can we release an offering with fewer than an
          IBM-required 28 NLVs)

Any outcome projection at this point would be incomplete.

Steven

============================================================================


This is all the information I have on the Stardock/IBM deal re: Stardock
releasing a new Client Version of OS/2 Warp. All of the posts attributed to
individuals are direct cut-n-paste, verbatim quotes, from e-mail messages I
received.

Now, you all know what I know regarding this deal, and this should provide
enough substantiated information from reliable sources to end the wild
speculations and guessing games that have proliferated USENET ever since Brad
posted to his own news server last Friday.

This is one deal that did not materialize when expected. OS/2 is NOT dead, and
IBM has NOT dropped its support. However, I feel that the next 6 to 12 months
will be a "very interesting time".

Thanks for your attention and consideration.



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From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com                          21-Sep-99 23:18:14
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com (Timothy J. Bogart)

In article <L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-CJQm6ZzJZtpd@localhost>,
Karel Jansens <jansens_at_ibm_dot_net> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:05:24, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
>
>> jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) said:
>> 
>> >Idiots shouldn't install or run OS/2. That's why Windows was invented 
(this is
>> >really true!).
>> 
>> I knew this was boiling down to elitism.
>> 
>> One self styled paragon said he hoped OS/2 stayed hard to use so the
general
>> public wouldn't spoil the OS/2 community with inferior intelligence.  Sad.
>> 
>If it's elitism, it's coming from His Gatesness himself. Windows 3.0 
>was made mainly because OS/2 was considered to be too complex for the 
>ordinary user.
>
>Oh yeah, and it required too expensive hardware. Kinda funny, if you 
>compare nowadays hardware requirements of OS/2 and Windows. 
>
>Karel Jansens
>jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
>=======================================================
>If we could have our cake _and_ eat it,
>people would start whining about seconds.
>=======================================================

For some reason this reminds me of the days when I forced a group 
into using OS/2 rather than win.30/3.1 (right about GA, as I recall).
One of the loudest screamers about hanging on to her "pretty windows"
almost stumped me.

"You will be able to do more than one thing at a time with more
reliability".

" I don't do more than one thing at a time".

Elitism, or experience?   8-)

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From: dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org                     22-Sep-99 00:13:06
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: "Darin McBride" <dmcbride@no.tower.spam.to.org>

On 21 Sep 1999 06:50:42 GMT, Mirage Media wrote:

>> I can buy a CD that has "NT 4, SP3" on it.  Is there such a CD as "OS/2
>Warp 
>> 4, FP5"? 
>> --- 
>
>Actually, yes, you can. I just got mione from Mensys: 

Nope - not what I was referring to.  I'm talking about a CD where I do *one*
install, and get OS/2 Warp 4, FP5 installed.  One step.  Preferably with Java
1.1.7+, etc.  All latest level.  (TCP/IP 4.0 with latest fixes, etc. - not
TCP/IP 4.1 which is a separate product.)

---
Disclaimer: unless explicitly mentioned otherwise, I do not speak
for the company I work for.



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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      22-Sep-99 01:50:14
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <37e78de2.0@nntp2.borg.com>,
  "Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com> wrote:
> Something vaporous like a <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> tholened:
>
> > I'm a home user, and IBM is providing me with Netscape 4.61, which
> > isn't what I call abandonment.
>
> Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!

Try here:
ftp://service5.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe

Went GA on the 20th... Shesh, you could at least *try* and stay
current...

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: stevem@execpc.com                                 21-Sep-99 20:59:26
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: "Steve McCrystal" <stevem@execpc.com>

On 20 Sep 1999 14:12:37 GMT, rj friedman wrote:

> Has it not occurred to anyone that the reason Stardock was turned down was
because they were 
>not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business plan that would
persuade IBM it was worth 
>their while to entrust OS/2 to Stardock?

Yes.
 
OTOH, it is also possible that folks at IBM have bought and installed some of
the Stardock supplied 
software *already* available.

Steve



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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         22-Sep-99 03:12:14
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Bennie Nelson writes:

>> Bennie Nelson writes [to Jeff Glatt]:

>>> You've taken to using Dave Tholen's words to convey your meaning.  That's
>>> risky, don't you think?  People might actually say that because you're
>>> using his words, that means you're just like him.  In fact, that's the
>>> kind of thing you've done in the past.
 
>> Except I haven't engaged in libel the way Jeff did recently.

> I guess I could have put <g> at the end of that paragraph.  

You could have.

> I wasn't trying to imply the reverse situation: that you are like Jeff.

I still don't agree with the non-reverse situation.

> I was simply pointing out to Jeff a ramification of a tactic he'd used 
> earlier.  I'd cited the fact that some people believe that playing cards
> is immoral.  He used that to assert that I was allied with those people 
> as an active supporter, and moreover, that I was just like those people.
>
> Given his train of thought: since he'd cited your words, that makes
> him a Tholen supporter, and furthermore, it means he's just like you.

There are significant differences between me and Jeff.

>>> You really need to be careful what you post here.
 
>> Yes, he should.

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         22-Sep-99 03:17:13
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

Jason Bowen writes:

>>>>>>>>> I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting
hardware.

>>>>>>>> I've read about people complaining about how Microsoft refused to
help
>>>>>>>> out with an NT problem because the hardware they were using wasn't on
>>>>>>>> the HCL.

>>>>>>> I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to
install
>>>>>>> Warp on new hardware.

>>>>>> I didn't have to.  What you've heard doesn't change the fact that
Windows
>>>>>> isn't a panacea to hardware support problems.

>>>>> Why are you making that statement?  I didn't make any claim about
Windows.

>>>> Incorrect:
>>>>
>>>> JB] I have never had a probelm with Windows anything not supporting
hardware.
>>>>
>>>> It's right at the top of the article, Jason.
>>>>
>>>> See Message-ID: <7s5qf7$kig@peabody.colorado.edu> for the original.

>>> I didn't claim it was a panacea.

>> You did say that you never had a problem.

> I didn't claim it was a panacea for others,

Nor did I claim that you did make such a claim for others.

> you brought up the panacea issue.

You brought up the "never had a problem...supporting hardware" issue.

> Why did you bring it up?

Because you brought up the "never had a problem...supporting hardware" issue.

> It seems irrelevant to bring it up seeing as I wasn't calling windows a
> panacea,

What seems to you is irrelevant.  Never having a problem sure makes it
sound like a panacea to you.

> just relating my experiences.

Which don't necessarily apply to anyone else.

> I do know that your experience doesn't change the fact that
> OS/2 isn't a panacea to hardware support problems problems.

What are "problems problems"?

>>> I said I didn't have problems with it.

>> It?  What is "it"?  Could it be the "it" you didn't make any claim about?
>> I see you didn't bother to address the evidence for you being wrong.

> I talked about my experiences with it.

It?  What is "it"?  Could it be the "it" you didn't make any claim about?
I see you didn't bother to address the evidence for you being wrong.

> I didn't make a claim for others or for it being a panacea for others.

Doesn't change the fact that you did make a claim about Windows, contrary
to your more recent claim.

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From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu                         22-Sep-99 03:13:27
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)

lifedata@xxvol.com writes:

>>> Yes, you can install OS/2 on a large drive as it comes out of the
>>> package, but it won't access all of that drive.

>> That wasn't the issue.

> (Ah, so you are being cute

Incorrect.

> - it all depends on what the definition of "is" is.)

Incorrect.

> There is no "the issue" per se, because there are many issues.

I was addressing one particular issue.

> But if you lay that point aside, it IS "the issue."

What is "it"?

> IBM has left OS/2 on the market as a jigsaw puzzle.

Non sequitur.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                21-Sep-99 22:01:23
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>I won't argue the point that OS/2 is a PnP OS, as in, you plug in the CD and
>ten minutes later you're playing quake :)

Come now.  Let's not say that anybody who is not deep into computers is a game
freak.  Let me just make this point.  I had my day.  I've written software
from
BASIC to assembler - even ML.  I had my fun.  But this kind of background
should
not be required to run a good OS.

>Not many of these 'average' users will be able to produce a useful Linux
>desktop, or SCO, or most of the other OS's out there either.

Precisely why I blame IBM.  They have it in their power to make a major
contribution to the field, which now offers either junk or complication or
both
- and hardly have to turn a finger to do so.  It would make hardly a ripple in
their bottom line, up or down.  But they won't, because it won't bloat their
bottom line.

Okay, so that's a common attitude.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: malstrom@lessing.oit.umass.edu                    21-Sep-99 22:24:04
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Judgement Day: The truth

From: Jason <malstrom@lessing.oit.umass.edu>

Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
: Dan Casey wrote:
: <snip>

:> This is one deal that did not materialize when expected. OS/2 is NOT dead,
and
:> IBM has NOT dropped its support. However, I feel that the next 6 to 12
months
:> will be a "very interesting time".

: Gee, can you get this out to all the members of the press?
: IDG of Germany is now running an exclusive interview with
: Brad Wardell which quotes Adrian Geschwind of OS/2 NetLabs
: as saying,

: "OS/2 is dead. Once again. Definitely this time."

: The German OS/2 user is perplexed.

This statement was taken totally out of context by IDG off of the netlabs 
web site.  I'm sure you have the URL Tim, but if you don't it's at:

http://www.netlabs.org/tobeornot.html

In this very same page, Adrian also says the following positive 
statements about OS/2:

-But OS/2 is not dead, in fact it is just running on my machine and on the 
-webserver you are browsing at the moment. As the only operating system on 
-this computer. And I will for sure continue using it, even if we heard 
-the latest message about OS/2.
<snip>
-A lot of users wrote that they will now switch to Linux or to something 
-else but I don't think this is really necessary. If you are using OS/2 
-actually there is no reason to switch, nothing really changed today, we 
-just got another boring OS/2 message by IBM, who cares?
<snip>
-And because of this I don't want to give up the fight for OS/2, not yet!
<snip>
-So what else can we do now? Good question, the shortest and best answer 
-at the moment is to not kill the OS/2 partition on your machine!

And there are tons of other positive pro keeping OS/2 alive message on 
this very same page.  The writer of the IDG article used very selective 
quoting, and in fact quoted a sarcastic sentence which when out of 
context, took on a totally different meaning.  

I wouldn't be suprised if Adrian had a guess of defamation of character 
against the writer of the article.

-Jason

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          22-Sep-99 03:14:21
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:59:53, "Steve McCrystal" <stevem@execpc.com> a Úcrit
dans un message:

> On 20 Sep 1999 14:12:37 GMT, rj friedman wrote:
> 
> > Has it not occurred to anyone that the reason Stardock was turned down was 
because they were 
> >not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business plan that would 
persuade IBM it was worth 
> >their while to entrust OS/2 to Stardock?
> 
> Yes.
>  
> OTOH, it is also possible that folks at IBM have bought and installed some
of the Stardock supplied 
> software *already* available.

Ye shall know a man by the way he walks, not the way he talks.



Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: letoured@nospam.net                               21-Sep-99 23:23:20
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: letoured@nospam.net

>> Has it not occurred to anyone that the reason Stardock was turned down was
because they were 
>>not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business plan that would
persuade IBM it was worth 
>>their while to entrust OS/2 to Stardock?

>Yes.
> 
>OTOH, it is also possible that folks at IBM have bought and installed
>some of the Stardock supplied  software *already* available.

My thoughts exactly.




_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            21-Sep-99 22:00:14
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: XFree86 and 127.0.0.1 Loopback (Still Negatory)

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:05:00, pbackman@remoove.algonet.se (Per 
Backman) wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions - tcpcfg2 still won't recognize the local 
host.  :-(

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:21:05, jpedone_no_spam@flash.net wrote:
> 
> > without the "up".  Also make sure you have the line:
> > 
> > 127.0.0.1 localhost 
> > 
> > in x:\mptn\etc\hosts and x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts
> > 
> >  
> And do hit ENTER after the line, or else it will not work! There must 
> be a linebreak. That was the problem for me at least (I think it is 
> described in the readmefile too).
> 
> Per B.
> ************************************************************
> The PHOTO&NATURIST page;
> In English, auf deutsch, po polsku;        
> http://home1.2.sbbs.se/pbackman/
> ICQ UIN; 40714141
> ************************************************************
> 

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   21-Sep-99 17:03:09
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37e673c4@news2.prserv.net>, "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net> writes:

>I write ATM software for one of the 'Big Four' banks here in South Africa.
>All our Diebold ATM's (2000+) run OS/2 V4.0. The branch front end system
>also runs OS/2 (not sure what level).

How does that work, generally?  Is there a server in the bank 
branch, and the ATM is a diskless client with a CPU?  What 
about an ATM in a convenience store, where's its computer, in 
a bank branch nearby connected with a phone line?  But then
these things will be running Token Ring if they're IBM, won't
they?  And _each ATM and server has a purchased copy of OS/2?

After having seen the ATM boot OS/2, I thought there was a 
PS/2 in the base of the thing (the Royal Bank is an IBM shop).

I saw a bankbook updater opened and yes, there was a PS/2 
Model 50Z(?) tucked into its base and its monitor was pressed 
up against the top bezel.  To get your balance, you were 
touching the computer's monitor surface, pressing on OS/2 
objects.

Then in the PS/2 newsgroup, knowledgeable folks said there was
no PS/2 in any IBM ATM.  And after that I saw one opened up 
for routine maintenance (they had to shovel a lot of money 
into it) and there was no computer.  Indeed, I was amazed at 
the way there was _nothing there. 

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   21-Sep-99 19:36:17
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Shadow question

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <q6mF3.827$F3.187528704@news.frii.net>, "John E. Jones" <jejs@verinet.com>
writes:
>I am new to OS/2(3.0), and I need some help with shadows. Coming from Win9x,
>I try to relate these to shortcuts, but they do not appear to be the same.
>First, how do you know which icon is a shadow, and which one it not? or does
>it matter? If you delete either one, will the other get deleted also? If yes
>to the previous question, then how do you just get rid of one of them?

I understand that shortcuts and shadows are not the same 
things.  Also, in Windows the little pictures are icons, nice
frilly covers for programs.  In OS/2 they're not icons, 
they're 'objects', each is a lump with a solid bunch of things 
it does unto itself when it's clicked upon, and there are 
about 29(?) different kinds of objects in stock OS/2.

You never start a program by clicking on its .exe file.  You 
have a Program Object point to that .exe file, and you click 
on that.  The program object occupies no HD space and you can
name it anything you want.

However, you start word processors and spreadsheets by 
clicking on their data files.  That is, you click on a _letter 
(data file) which then brings up the letter for you to
work on.

There are no program objects for data files.  Instead, there 
are shadows, they can be shadowed anywhere.  If you want a 
data file in different places, you don't just make copies of 
it because each copy occupies HD space, you make shadows of it
all over the joint.  Shadows take up no HD space, and the 
original stays happily in its data path.

Accordingly, shadows are perfect copies of the original data 
file.  You rename a shadow, the original (wherever it is) is 
renamed. You change the icon on a shadow, the original's icon
is changed.  You operate in any way upon a shadow, the 
original responds along with the shadow.  And vice versa.

To let you know it's a shadow, the original's object lettering
is white, and the shadow's lettering is grey.  Or colours like
that.

The _only difference between a shadow and its original is 
this. When you delete the original, it and all its shadows 
evaporate.  When you delete a shadow, only it evaporates, and 
the original and all the other shadows stay.  

So yes, it matters which is the shadow and which is the
original. And you cannot delete the original and have its
shadows stay, you can delete all the shadows one by one and 
have the original stay.

You can make shadows of folders full of honking great files. 
The shadows don't occupy any volume. 

And very incidentally, you can also make shadows
of program objects and .exe objects, but there are almost 
no reasons for doing so. Here, you'd make more program 
objects, perhaps by dragging and copying that one...

---------------------------

Start .exes with program objects.  Do not start an .exe with 
its shadow.  That's because you don't want objects with grungy
names like pro13b09.exe and icqsedu9.exe on your Desktop, you 
want names like 'Screen Saver' and 'Internet Chat--Sophomore
University'.  You can't change the names of .exe files or 
their shadows, because you're changing the program inside when
you try to do that.  It all comes down to this, do not shadow
a .exe.

This isn't complex.  It's second nature, there's nothing to 
all this, after you've done one or two.  Dive in

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: farmer@NOSPAMnetnet.net                           22-Sep-99 04:31:28
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Building my own OS/2 system.

From: farmer@NOSPAMnetnet.net (Mark Framness)

Greetings All

I'm researching into building up my own OS/2 system.

A couple of questions.

First off what motherboards work with OS/2?  &/or which do not?

Same for SCSI adapters.

As for the rest of the gear I'm pretty much following the recomendations of
an online OS/2 vendor (Indelible Blue).  BTW I will patronize them when the
price fits!

Also I'm interested in setting up this system with OS/2 server, not the 
client.  Where do I find the entry version of Warp Server?  I see on that 
particular online vendor's website Server for e-business and another 
"advanced server" system but I have little need for that as I'm just 
working on a home network which may evolve into only slightly greater 
things.


Mark & Lorie
farmer@netnet.net

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               21-Sep-99 23:14:21
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: TP600E problems

From: letoured@nospam.net

My 366mhz 600E takes a good minute boot up. The IBMIDWCD.FLT is a separate
issue. Make sure you have the most current version.

I also found that the machine generally felt faster after FP 11 and DP11
were installed.  -- Unfortunately, it still is not much faster then a
266mhz AMD clone. (So much for Intel CPUs).



>->I am installing warp4 on a TP600E with 10Gb drive.
>->I used the new install disks and the install went OK.
>->However, the boot up is slow and only one partition is seen. ->Using
>alt/f2 I find that IBM1S506.ADD takes 56 secs to load and ->IBMIDECD.FLT
>takes 5mins 20 secs.
>->After the boot is finished, only the primary partion is visible. ->I
>used partition magic to create a primary partition in the first 2 Gb
>->and an HPFS partition in an extended partition just over the 2Gb limit.
>->A Win 98 primary partition shares the first 2 Gb.
>->
>->Any ideas?

>Partition Magic V4 has a stupid bug that creates the extended partition
>on a disk as the MS specific type 0x0F instead of the universally
>acceptable 0x05. OS/2 doesn't understand 0x0F so anything within that
>extended partition is invisible to it. Delete the extended partition and
>all its drives (and data!) and redefine it using OS/2's FDISK and you'll
>be OK. 

>IBMIDECD.FLT taking 5 minutes to load sounds like a separate issue and
>the usual solution is to make sure that you have no "slave only" devices
>attached to IDE controllers containing no master device.


>Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
>(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net                22-Sep-99 00:39:07
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade motherboard for PS/2 mouse

From: "Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:11:23 GMT, Brad Hubley wrote:

:>Is it possible to upgrade a Pentium motherboard (without replacing it) to
:>allow a PS/2 style mouse to connect to it?
:>
:>Thanks
:>Brad
:>
:>____________________________________________________
:>  Windoze 95 @ work 'cause I have to,
:>  OS/2 Warp 4 @ home 'cause I want to!
:>
:>  Visit my Cable Modems and OS/2 Warp 4 website @
:>  http://members.home.net/bhubley/cableintro.html
:>____________________________________________________
:>
:>  Please remove 1 bhubley from my address before replying
:>
:>
One way is to get a ps/2 to serial port converter (although it's strictly
hit-or-miss as to whether or not it will work).  I believe that they sell
ps/2 kits that plug into an ISA slot.

Bill

Bill
Team OS/2

-----

OS/2 - If you want "productivity" to be more than a few
four-letter words.



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From: ppridgen@OregonVOS.net                            21-Sep-99 21:32:16
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: tcp/ip problems

From: Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net>

when trying to initiate a tcp/ip connection the status log in the Other
Dialers window show NETW error invalid protocol 2080 and error invalid
FCS. Just what the heck is this and how can I correct it?

Thanks for any help you can give.

--
Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
LHS Class of '69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
Do I believe in the Bible? Heck I've SEEN one.

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From: bhubleybhubley@home.com                           22-Sep-99 04:11:11
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:02
Subj: Upgrade motherboard for PS/2 mouse

From: "Brad Hubley" <bhubleybhubley@home.com>

Is it possible to upgrade a Pentium motherboard (without replacing it) to
allow a PS/2 style mouse to connect to it?

Thanks
Brad

____________________________________________________
  Windoze 95 @ work 'cause I have to,
  OS/2 Warp 4 @ home 'cause I want to!

  Visit my Cable Modems and OS/2 Warp 4 website @
  http://members.home.net/bhubley/cableintro.html
____________________________________________________

  Please remove 1 bhubley from my address before replying


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From: shaunus@ibm.net                                   22-Sep-99 07:37:18
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 05:19:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net>

The ATM's all have PC's in them, ranging from 386SX-16 (!) to Pentium 233's.
The 386's are microchannel machines. All ATM's are on-line permanently via
leased land lines. There was a pilot of Workspace on Demand which has been
put on hold. To the best of my knowledge, the bank I am contracted to has
some 20000 or more OS/2 seats, and in house development on OS/2 continues
unabated.

Joe Kovacs <jkovacs@ibm.net> wrote in message
news:c1.2b8.2SGXrl$0HQ@cast.grid.ibm.net...
> In <37e673c4@news2.prserv.net>, "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net> writes:
>
> >I write ATM software for one of the 'Big Four' banks here in South
Africa.
> >All our Diebold ATM's (2000+) run OS/2 V4.0. The branch front end system
> >also runs OS/2 (not sure what level).
>
> How does that work, generally?  Is there a server in the bank
> branch, and the ATM is a diskless client with a CPU?  What
> about an ATM in a convenience store, where's its computer, in
> a bank branch nearby connected with a phone line?  But then
> these things will be running Token Ring if they're IBM, won't
> they?  And _each ATM and server has a purchased copy of OS/2?
>
> After having seen the ATM boot OS/2, I thought there was a
> PS/2 in the base of the thing (the Royal Bank is an IBM shop).
>
> I saw a bankbook updater opened and yes, there was a PS/2
> Model 50Z(?) tucked into its base and its monitor was pressed
> up against the top bezel.  To get your balance, you were
> touching the computer's monitor surface, pressing on OS/2
> objects.
>
> Then in the PS/2 newsgroup, knowledgeable folks said there was
> no PS/2 in any IBM ATM.  And after that I saw one opened up
> for routine maintenance (they had to shovel a lot of money
> into it) and there was no computer.  Indeed, I was amazed at
> the way there was _nothing there.
>
> Joe Kovacs
> Guelph Ontario Canada
>
>


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              21-Sep-99 22:47:22
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 05:19:18
Subj: Re: loss of COM.SYS on install

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Check to see if you've got TWO (or more) of them in config.sys, if so,
get rid of the excess.

Graham

Paul Jones wrote:
> go OK!  When I re-booted, the first I knew of anything wrong was that
> the system told me that the line "OS2|boot\com.sys" in the config.sys
> file would be ignored as the file couldn't be opened.

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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     22-Sep-99 00:34:23
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 05:19:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:48:15, doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett) 
woke up with a head full of whiskey and wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:45:28, waynebrown@cableregina.com wrote:
> 
> > Now, if only we could do our banking from home using OS2!!!!
> >  
> > Wayne Brown
> >  
> 
> I do it all the time. Toronto Dominion Bank, in Canada. The only 
> things I can't do, is withdraw, or deposit, cash, or get into my 
> safety deposit box. I know of others who use the CIBC system (with a 
> work around for the "invalid" browser problem), and I suspect that 
> Bank of Montreal also works, but I don't know for sure.

Bank of Montreal (or mbanx) does work with OS/2.  The only problem is 
with the download of account info.  Quicken or Money.  Anyone know of 
a program that will import these files?


J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
******************
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     22-Sep-99 00:52:29
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 05:19:18
Subj: Re: Adding 2nd HardDrive for OS/2

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

     From a hardware point of view, the best setup would be to put 
your two EIDE drives on same connection (4.3 gig primary master, and 
the 500-1000M primary slave) and the two other device on the other 
connection (Tape Backup secondary master, and CD-Rom secondary slave).

     From a software point of view, if you do not wish to partition 
your drive, you would have to install a seperate MBR boot manager (ie:
System Commander).  This would allow you to boot into either OS.   If 
you setup Warp 3 on an HPFS drive, the drive will be 'invisible' to 
Windows, and should not show up in a drive listing.

     You could, however, use Partition Magic to repartition a small 
space (~7Meg) on the 4.3G harddrive (at the end of the drive) and 
install BootManager from Warp 3, which would give you the same 
functionality as System Commander, but would also give you the ability
to automatically reboot to Windows or OS/2 upon shutdown (from Warp, 
that is).

   In case you are wondering, Windows will not boot from the slave 
drive, which in your case would be ideal :( 

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:29:26, "JENNIFER L CARTER" 
<COSMICDEMON@prodigy.net> woke up with a head full of whiskey and 
wrote:

>  Hello, I am a current win95 user, but I have a copy of os/2 warp v.3 that I
> would like to install. I am pretty good with computers I have installed
> basic things like and backup tape drive, memory, modems, video ect.... The
> one thing I have never done is installed a Hard Drive. I decided the way I
> want to OS/2 v.3 to my present system (PII 233, 64 mb, 4.3 gig) is to add
> another Hard drive not a big one , 500- 1000 mb. I do not want to partion my
> present hard drive, adding a second HD is the way I want to go. I have a 386
> DX system with DOS, OS/2 warp already installed on the IDE Hard Drive. Since
> I am going to use an IDE connection, is it possible for me to take the HD
> out of the 386 and put it in my PII 233 system. The way I have set my
> computer up is I have a (4.3 gig HD Primary MASTER, CD-ROM drive PRIMARY
> SLAVE, and A BACKUP TAPE DRIVE SECONDARY MASTER). The way i though I would
> be able to add the other HD would be as a SECONDARY SLAVE. I have the cables
> and hookups to do it but how do Install the HD. I know how to hook it up
> inside the computer properly, after that do I just turn it on and set it up
> in BIOS to get it working, would I have to mess with WIN 95 to? I have never
> installed a HD before but I have installed many other things. Information on
> how to install and set it up, and if it would work not would be much
> appreciated!! Please e-mail me at
> 
>                                                 Dsgv40a@prodigy.com
> 
> 
>                                                             THANK YOU!!
> 
> 

J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
******************
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      22-Sep-99 07:06:18
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 05:19:18
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <37e7d9c5.0@nntp2.borg.com>,
  "Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com> wrote:

<snip>

> > It was released yesterday.  Go to IBM's Software Choice web site.
>
> Not when I was there it wasn't.

Oh I see; you're the ultimate judge of what is fact and not... If you
don't see it, it can't possibly be true.

> > Chalk up another bonehead posting by Joe Malloy.
>
> IBM posts his Netscape 4.61 just in the nick of time (at least
> according to him).  It figures Tholen is a bonehead about it -- once
> a Kook-of-the-Month, always a Kook.

Why can't you just admit you were wrong?

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        22-Sep-99 07:22:08
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 05:19:18
Subj: Re: Address IR port on ThinkPad like COM2

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:53:17, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
Donnelly) wrote:
> > I believe I have earlier configured the IR port on our ThinkPads (TP 
> > 600 in this case) to behave like a COM port under OS/2. I am however 
> > not able to make it work now ("COM2 device not ready").
> I can't speak to the TP600 but the pieces of the IRDA package got my 
> TP701's IR port printing via serial IR to my printer. (That was all the 
> ftp://ftp.univie.ac.at:/systems/os2/leo/drivers/com/irda_os2.zip 

Thanks,

do you mean I need these drivers instead of the ones I already have, 
that comes with OS/2 and the ThinkPad?

I now have the four lines below (before COM.SYS) in CONFIG.SYS and all
the drivers seems to install fine, but COM2 is still not available.

DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\IRDD.SYS 2F8 3
DEVICE=D:\IRDD\IRDA_PHY.OS2
DEVICE=D:\IRDD\IRDA_DD.OS2
DEVICE=D:\IRDD\IAS_DD.OS2

regards, Jan

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| Jan Eri         | Surfing with OS/2 Warp 4      | 
| Protector AS    | http://www.protector-group.no | 
| NORWAY          | http://home.eunet.no/~jeri    |
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From: gino@lava.net                                     20-Sep-99 20:07:05
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 05:19:18
Subj: Question about Warp Expo

From: gino@lava.net

I was unable to attend Warp Expo West as I had prior
commitments.

I really wanted to attend the video editing program. I would really like
to know which cards the presenter found that worked best for video
editing. Is this info on the web? Or can someone share?


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
gino@lava.net

What evil lurks in the hearts of men???
The SHADOW knows...
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            22-Sep-99 09:24:00
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:01:11, jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt) 
wrote:

> >Karel Jansens
> >Idiots shouldn't install or run OS/2.
> 
> That doesn't explain why Tholen has installed and run OS/2.

On the contrary.
BTW, do you install or run OS/2?
(Only asking, I'm sure I know the answer)

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
=======================================================
If we could have our cake _and_ eat it,
people would start whining about seconds.
=======================================================

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From: miket@interact.net.au                             21-Sep-99 09:29:15
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: OS/2 V.5

From: miket@interact.net.au    (Michael Taylor)

Bovine Unit #243 <bov243@pasture.net> writes:
> > >Add to this decent network setup programs, a more visually appealing
> >>interface .. <snip>
> >
> >What is a more visually apealing interface? 
> >
> >I keep seeing people say this, but I don't see what is missing or what
> >they want. 
> 
> I'd like to see something like the NeXT desktop. How about folling the
X-WIndows
> and allow having users to develop their own desktop? Now that's cool.

You can write your own version of Pm if you wish - a lot of work and not as
easy
as for X-Windows (not by a long shot!)
> 
> And how about built-in ability to totally loose the GUI and have text-based
> multi-tasking? Like Unix.

You can do this - OS/2 multitasking (and NT multitasking as well) has nothing
to
do with the GUI. OS/2 can be booted to the command line. You won't get the 
Linux ctrl-f1 to ctrl F12 to get separate logins.

--
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Mike                        miket@interact.net.au
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From: sma@spam-not.rtd.com                              22-Sep-99 08:29:19
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: Building my own OS/2 system.

From: James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com>


Mark Framness wrote:
> 
> Greetings All
> 
> I'm researching into building up my own OS/2 system.
> 
> A couple of questions.
> 
> First off what motherboards work with OS/2?  &/or which do not?
> 
    The only direct experience I have is with Epox (ep-58mvp3c-m). It is
a socket 7 MB and rune Intel, AMD and Cyrix CPUs. (I use the amd
k6-2/350.) They make pentium 2 and 3 MBs as well. I have 3 of these in
our business and all work fine.


> Same for SCSI adapters.
> 
    Adaptec is good, also waaaay over-priced. I have been using Mylex
(nee: Buslogic) for years. It performs better than the adaptec at less
than 1/2 the price (adaptec's price is coming down, mylex's is going up.
Used to be a 4:1 difference).\
    Symbios has received entusiastic testimonial here, too.

-- 

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From: lazaga1@ibm.net                                   22-Sep-99 01:45:19
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: Building my own OS/2 system.

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@ibm.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9-22-99, 8:29:38 AM, James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com> wrote regarding 
Re: Building my own OS/2 system.:


> Mark Framness wrote:
> >
> > Greetings All
> >
> > I'm researching into building up my own OS/2 system.
> >
> > A couple of questions.
> >
> > First off what motherboards work with OS/2?  &/or which do not?
> >
>     The only direct experience I have is with Epox (ep-58mvp3c-m). It 
is
> a socket 7 MB and rune Intel, AMD and Cyrix CPUs. (I use the amd
> k6-2/350.) They make pentium 2 and 3 MBs as well. I have 3 of these in
> our business and all work fine.


> > Same for SCSI adapters.
> >
>     Adaptec is good, also waaaay over-priced. I have been using Mylex
> (nee: Buslogic) for years. It performs better than the adaptec at less
> than 1/2 the price (adaptec's price is coming down, mylex's is going 
up.
> Used to be a 4:1 difference).\
>     Symbios has received entusiastic testimonial here, too.

> --

> sma at rtd dot com
> Remove "spam-not." for email

Note: Symbios was purchased by LSI Logic and may not be marketed under 
a different name, as they have changed their corporate identity to the 
new mother company.  You might check out 
http://www.lsilogic.com/products/io_standard/index.html

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@ibm.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
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From: sbaker@pcug.org.au                                22-Sep-99 18:58:19
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: Upgrade motherboard for PS/2 mouse

From: "Shane Baker" <sbaker@pcug.org.au>

>On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:11:23 GMT, Brad Hubley wrote:
>
>:>Is it possible to upgrade a Pentium motherboard (without replacing it) to
>:>allow a PS/2 style mouse to connect to it?

Gidday Brad

You sure you don't have it on your mobo?

My AT form Gigabyte has PS/2 on board - but it needs a silly little cable to
provide the little round PS/2 socket.

My next mobo will be ATX form!   :-)}

Shane Baker
Canberra - Australia's national capital
_____________________________
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From: csaba.raduly@sophos.com                           22-Sep-99 10:08:09
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: TP600E problems

From: Csaba Raduly <csaba.raduly@sophos.com>

Trevor Hemsley wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:49:54 -0400, David Jeffrey wrote:
> 
> ->I am installing warp4 on a TP600E with 10Gb drive.
[snip]
> 
> Partition Magic V4 has a stupid bug that creates the extended partition on
> a disk as the MS specific type 0x0F instead of the universally acceptable
> 0x05. OS/2 doesn't understand 0x0F so anything within that extended
> partition is invisible to it. Delete the extended partition and all its
> drives (and data!) and redefine it using OS/2's FDISK and you'll be OK.
> 

Or, if you have a Linux boot disk (I've done things like this with
a pair of Slackware disks) , boot Linux and use that fdisk to change the
partition type from 0x0F to 0x05. This way you don't lose your data.

Csaba

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From: pdrumm@dwave.net                                  22-Sep-99 09:54:29
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: pdrumm@dwave.net (Peter Drumm)

In message <37e76a52$2$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com> - Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> writes:
:->
:->On <iV743kDg6xQE090yn@ibm.net>, on 09/18/99 at 10:53 AM,
:->   dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) said:
:->
:->
:->> I have a copy of "Warp 4, Upgrade for OS/2 Users" that also came
:->> directly from IBM. I've installed it several times to a machine with an
:->> empty hard drive. Chose Advanced Install, FDISK and created partitions,
:->> re-booted, formatted HPFS and installed without complaint.
:->
:->> Perhaps you have a different problem with installing to the client's NT
:->> machine, but Warp 4 Upgrade and Warp 4 only differ in the packaging and
:->> license agreement.
:->
:->Dan, the same disk refused to install on my IBM 390E notebook just
:->yesterday until I created the magic directory and copied the requisite
:->file to it. It is the same part number as a full version but the two CD's
:->are not identical.
:->
:->Perhaps IBM saw so many news articles about how to defeat the sniffer that
:->they just gave up after the first pressing. --

Not likely. I got the Warp 4 Upgrade CD on the day it was released(i
had pre-ordered it) and it installed to a clean partition with no
problem.

Custom machining; Tool & Cutter grinding
Peter Drumm, Wausau WI  <pdrumm@dwave.net> 
<http://home.dwave.net/~pdrumm>
Cyrix6x86/300 MII, OS/2 Warp 4, Linux

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    22-Sep-99 05:56:12
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-2rGFlWvleEWG@localhost>,
doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett) wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:45:28, waynebrown@cableregina.com wrote:
>
>> Now, if only we could do our banking from home using OS2!!!!
>>  
>> Wayne Brown
>>  
>
>I do it all the time. Toronto Dominion Bank, in Canada. The only 
>things I can't do, is withdraw, or deposit, cash, or get into my 
>safety deposit box.

You need a special plugin for Netscape, to do that.  ;-)

>I know of others who use the CIBC system (with a 
>work around for the "invalid" browser problem), and I suspect that 
>Bank of Montreal also works, but I don't know for sure.

I use Netscape 4.04 with the CIBC, and never experienced that problem. 
As I recall, it was due to a programming error at their end, so 
perhaps it's been corrected.

-- 
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_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 22-Sep-99 03:05:06
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: how to 'crack' the OS/2 Warp 4 trial ver?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Perhaps IBM saw so many news articles about how to defeat the sniffer
>that they just gave up after the first pressing. --

That's what I'm thinking.  Though I suspect a lot of us got Warp 4 at
about the same time.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
         Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy" until you find a big rock.

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          22-Sep-99 10:19:08
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 10:37:23
Subj: Re: Address IR port on ThinkPad like COM2

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:22:16, jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri) a Úcrit 
dans un message:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:53:17, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
> Donnelly) wrote:
> > > I believe I have earlier configured the IR port on our ThinkPads (TP 
> > > 600 in this case) to behave like a COM port under OS/2. I am however 
> > > not able to make it work now ("COM2 device not ready").
> > I can't speak to the TP600 but the pieces of the IRDA package got my 
> > TP701's IR port printing via serial IR to my printer. (That was all the 
> > ftp://ftp.univie.ac.at:/systems/os2/leo/drivers/com/irda_os2.zip 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> do you mean I need these drivers instead of the ones I already have, 
> that comes with OS/2 and the ThinkPad?

The IRDA package I used did indeed substitute for standard OS/2-installed 
drivers, and included a different INFRARED.PDR port driver and LMDLL.DLL. 
The instructions in the IRDA package were clear enough for me to see how to
try it.

> 
> I now have the four lines below (before COM.SYS) in CONFIG.SYS and all
> the drivers seems to install fine, but COM2 is still not available.
> 
> DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\IRDD.SYS 2F8 3

I don't need any parameters on that line. Try Alt-F2 at bootup and watch 
the reports for drivers loading, to make sure that one is "taking".

> DEVICE=D:\IRDD\IRDA_PHY.OS2
> DEVICE=D:\IRDD\IRDA_DD.OS2
> DEVICE=D:\IRDD\IAS_DD.OS2

I've never had those last 2 drivers, so I can't help you. I didn't need to 
see COM2, since I had the option of an INFRARED Printer port showing up on 
my output choices. What do you need to use the IR port for, specifically?




Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      22-Sep-99 02:16:12
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:24
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <37E6F391.418F9C91@visi.net>, Bennie Nelson <blnelson@visi.net> writes:

>Jeff Glatt wrote:
>
>> Only because you're obviously not competent enough to do what many,
>> many other people (including myself) do routinely -- install Windows.

        [clip]

>Are you saying that no one who is competent has ever had problems
>installing Windows 95?  Or, that if a person has problems installing
>Windows 95, then that is conclusive proof that the person doing the
>install is incompetent?  Surely, you are not guilty of asserting
>that?

No no no.  I think what Jeff must be saying is that people who 
use Windows "routinely install Windows."  That is, they get a 
great deal of experience in installing Windows, and then 
re-installing, and re-installing such that it becomes a rote 
procedure and thus is no longer intimidating. 

I will confess that I was a bit intimidated when I first 
installed OS/2, but that was many years ago now and I've never 
had to do it since...

But I think I prefer it that way, really...

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  22-Sep-99 11:03:12
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:24
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:50:08, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

> In <DCEDA7D34B3DB668.0440C7A074E73404.B29EBB71CEEB181E@lp.airnews.net>, Dale 
Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> writes:
> >> Oh sure, I wouldnt argue this for a moment.  But lets be clear.  The
> >> one thing IBM has been very upfront about is the fact that they do not
> >> want, and are not interested in what they call 'the kitchentop
> >> market'.
> >
> >The phrase 'kitchentop market' conjures up an image into my mind, but
> >that image does not include the small business operator.  I find it
> >sad that IBM sees fit to relegate them to that group.
> 
> amid all the talk of IBM and Big Business, it's easy to forget that not
> so long ago IBM sold Selectric typewriters, sold them to any size
> business, supported them well, and made money at it. There's just
> more to this OS/2 thing than meets the eye,

You could go back a little further with that analogy: IBM is the successor 
of a company that made cards for punching (machinery for using them came 
much later), and made money at it. But (unfortunately, sometimes) the world
moves on. As others have pointed out, IBM, like other companies that do not
belong to non-profit entities, is in the business of making money for its 
owners; it is not a charitable trust, and does not exist to advance the OS 
art, except as it believes that it can do so at a profit.
> 
> 
> >-- 
> >Dale Erwin
> >3624 Coral Gables Drive
> >Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> >(214)893-8738
> 
> 
> sk?l !
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> H?rad ?ngravv?rd
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

-------------
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Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  22-Sep-99 11:03:13
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:24
Subj: Re: Judgement Day: The truth

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:53:50, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:

> There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the circumstances surrounding
> the decision by  IBM to not accept Stardock's proposal to release  a new
Warp
> Client. In the interest of attempting to clarify the situation, here's the
> events, as they unfolded.

-----------all the substance snipped-----------

Many thanks, Dan, for your apparently factual summary of the actual events,
devoid of the ego tripping and the who-struck-john that have permeated this
thread.

-------------
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Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

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From: framnesso@my-deja.com                             22-Sep-99 15:59:00
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking

From: Mark Framness <framnesso@my-deja.com>

In article <c1.2b8.2SG5YK$0HO@cast.grid.ibm.net>,
  jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe Kovacs) wrote:

> In about 1996 IBM had about 50% of the banking market, meaning
> half of _all banks ran OS/2.
>
> See, that sort of thing is what OS/2 is all about.  Home users
> think the OS/2 world revolves around them.  It doesn't,
> they're pretty well right out of it and they can't be told.

Fighting words my friend.

I'm a home OS/2 user as well.  OS/2 was well on its way to getting into
the home PC market, as evidenced by the OS/2 software development
projects that were going on.  IBM chucked it and now OS/2 runs ATMs,
other banking applications and perhaps some insurance stuff and little
else.  Doesn't do me any good when I want an application for home.

Is it too much for us to complain about IBM abandoning us?

--
From:  Mark Framness
All standard disclaimers apply anyone who say otherwise is itching for a


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From: dtander@agts.net                                  22-Sep-99 16:16:09
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Upgrade motherboard for PS/2 mouse

From: dtander@agts.net (David T. Anderson)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:11:23, "Brad Hubley" <bhubleybhubley@home.com> 
wrote:

> Is it possible to upgrade a Pentium motherboard (without replacing it) to
> allow a PS/2 style mouse to connect to it?
> 

Hi Brad -- check your motherboard manual.  Some motherboards have a 
pinblock to which you can attach a PS/2 adaptor.  These adaptors 
aren't too hard to find...anyplace that sells mobos should have one 
that will work with your board, or be able to order one for you.


David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta
http://www.agt.net/public/dtander/

Using ProNews/2 for OS/2 Warp

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      22-Sep-99 18:18:07
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Jason Bowen [University of Colorado, Boulder] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ >Windows NT v4 won't install completely on my Dell Pentium Pro desktop
¯ >system.  Why?  Some of the hardware is not supported.
¯ 
¯ Can you buy NT pre-installed?  How does the support compare to current

Yes, but not from all vendors is important to note here. Especially many
smaller vendors who mainly target the non professional market usually don't
pre install that (at least not to the same extent as the bigger ones). 

From most bigger vendors (Dell, HP, IBM, etc) you get better options and can
also choose between preload of either Windows NT 4.0 or Windows 2000 Beta 3.

Other machines that doesn't come preloaded with Windows NT, but who has the
logotype "Designed for Windows NT" on them, has passed asserted testing labs
that guarantee that it will install and run on those systems.

¯ OS/2 can't install on a hard drive greater than 8.4 megs.  It doesn't have

That's not true.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      22-Sep-99 18:18:08
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Darin McBride [@Home Network Canada] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ >>a machine with say a 10 gig hard drive seems to be a barrier to adoption
¯ >
¯ >You've done this with NT I gather?  I mean, NT with no fixes applied?
¯ 
¯ I can buy a CD that has "NT 4, SP3" on it.  Is there such a CD as "OS/2 Warp

Small correction; I think that should be the NT4 SP4 CD (which is the service
pack level who starts to include support for IDE drives > 8 GB).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      22-Sep-99 18:18:08
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Building my own OS/2 system.

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Mark Framness [Home] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ First off what motherboards work with OS/2?  &/or which do not?

Most motherboard of better quality (Asus, Abit, AOpen). 
 
¯ Same for SCSI adapters.

I would recommend Symbios based ones (Diamond, Tekram, etc).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             22-Sep-99 09:41:27
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Edmond Dantes wrote:
> 
> Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.
> 

Click on the link below to download WarpAmp B4.  It is a PM MP3 player
that works extremely well for me with an Aureal PCI Vortex1 sound card. 

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/mmedia/sound/players/wamp_b4.zip

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             22-Sep-99 09:34:02
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


"J.P. Pasnak" wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:48:15, doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)
> woke up with a head full of whiskey and wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:45:28, waynebrown@cableregina.com wrote:
> >
> > > Now, if only we could do our banking from home using OS2!!!!
> > >
> > > Wayne Brown
> > >
> >
> > I do it all the time. Toronto Dominion Bank, in Canada. The only
> > things I can't do, is withdraw, or deposit, cash, or get into my
> > safety deposit box. I know of others who use the CIBC system (with a
> > work around for the "invalid" browser problem), and I suspect that
> > Bank of Montreal also works, but I don't know for sure.
> 
> Bank of Montreal (or mbanx) does work with OS/2.  The only problem is
> with the download of account info.  Quicken or Money.  Anyone know of
> a program that will import these files?

I use Quickbooks Pro v5.0 which runs fine under OS/2 as a Win-OS2 app. 
I imagine it would also download account info.  

> 
> J.P. Pasnak
> Warped Systems
> ******************
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
> *******************

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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          22-Sep-99 12:54:04
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Building my own OS/2 system.

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

I just built three OS/2 systems using:

DFI motherboards (K6BV3+ and P5BV3+)
AMD K6-III 400 Mhz
Matrox G200
Adaptec 2910c and 2940UW scsi controllers

Regards,
Bennie Nelson

Mark Framness wrote:
> 
> Greetings All
> 
> I'm researching into building up my own OS/2 system.
> 
> A couple of questions.
> 
> First off what motherboards work with OS/2?  &/or which do not?
> 
> Same for SCSI adapters.
> 
> As for the rest of the gear I'm pretty much following the recomendations of
> an online OS/2 vendor (Indelible Blue).  BTW I will patronize them when the
> price fits!
> 
> Also I'm interested in setting up this system with OS/2 server, not the
> client.  Where do I find the entry version of Warp Server?  I see on that
> particular online vendor's website Server for e-business and another
> "advanced server" system but I have little need for that as I'm just
> working on a home network which may evolve into only slightly greater
> things.
> 
> Mark & Lorie
> farmer@netnet.net

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          22-Sep-99 18:28:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>John Thompson
>people who use Windows "routinely install Windows."

Well for sure, they don't routinely install OS/2. Few people use it
any more. I see even more interest in Be OS than OS/2 today

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From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com                          22-Sep-99 18:24:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: jglatt@spamgone-borg.com (Jeff Glatt)

>>>Karel Jansens
>>>Idiots shouldn't install or run OS/2.
 
>> That doesn't explain why Tholen has installed and run OS/2.

>On the contrary.

On the contrary, it doesn't explain why you're buddy Tholen has
installed and run OS/2.

Here, I'll quote your buddy and note that your failure to explain why
underscores your "reading comprehension problems".

>BTW, do you install or run OS/2?
>(Only asking, I'm sure I know the answer)

I'm sure you don't have a clue. After all, I've read a number of your
posts to this newsgroup

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From: shoot@all.spammers                                22-Sep-99 20:57:07
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: "Dan Kyhl" <shoot@all.spammers>

Hi,

there's still a lot going on with banks and OS/2, even at IBM ;-)
I work there myself with a Document Processing application that we use in
banks in Europe, Africa and Asia, mostly for cheque clearing and truncation.

It's not only ATM's where OS/2 is used.

Dan

On 20 Sep 1999 03:04:04 GMT, Mark Framness wrote:

>Hi there.
>
>Did you see this b4?  I'm using a new NG client.
> 
>How many of you have worked with OS/2 in a banking environment?  I spent 
>the last weekend and the last couple of days doing a bank conversion all to
>OS/2!  Their banking application was called Argo Wizard.  Anyone know of 
>that?  I didn't deal too much with application end but quite a bit in 
>setting up the systems, testing them and so on.
> 
>I can now call myself an "OS/2 Pro"!
>
>
>
>
>Mark & Lorie
>farmer@netnet.net



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From: esther@bitranch.com                               22-Sep-99 22:52:13
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: Question about Warp Expo

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:07:10, gino@lava.net wrote:

| I was unable to attend Warp Expo West as I had prior
| commitments.
|  
| I really wanted to attend the video editing program. I would really like
| to know which cards the presenter found that worked best for video
| editing. Is this info on the web? Or can someone share?

I didn't have a chance to attend that session, gino, but I suspect 
that one of the organizers can put you in touch with the presenter. 
I'm sure their information is still up at 
http://www.scoug.com/warpexpowest. (Along with pictures from the 
event.)

(Since there were a lot of OS/2 advocates at the event, I'm taking the
liberty of crossposting this message to c.o.o.advocacy.)

--Esther

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From: stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au                   23-Sep-99 06:57:00
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au (stephen)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:10:20, rob@schroeder.net (Robert Schroeder) 
wrote:

> not only works good but is really fast 
> as well, even though its a Java application (VIO mode), and that's an 
> old K5-166 with far too little RAM for what's running (80 MB). 

Or, in my case, with a 486 and 32 mg RAM.

Regards,

Stephen

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    23-Sep-99 00:01:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:25
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

stephen (stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au) wrote:
: On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:17:50, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
: Hong) wrote:

: > As well, what is also cool is 
: > that SmartCache also in a way replaces Internet JunkBuster, it too can 
: > kill banner adds and cookies as well as a few other features like 
: > changing one's referel header and changing one's user agent.  

: Although I do still have JunkBuster running concurrently for secure 
: sites which SmartCache does not handle. One uses port 8000 the other 
: 8080

	Is it possible to have both SmartCache and Internet Junkbuster 
running at the same time for a browser?  There is only room there for one 
http proxy...


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From: bgeer@xmission.xmission.com                       22-Sep-99 15:41:04
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:26
Subj: Re: VIA chipset mobo--will it run OS/2 and Suse 6.2?

From: bgeer@xmission.xmission.com (bgeer)

rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net (Zephyr Q) writes:


 >	I'm getting a good deal on a VIA vpx97-AT mobo--will it run
 >OS/2 w3 and Suse 6.2 alright?  Or are there any problems I 
 >should be aware of?

I booted a Slackware 2.0.30 setup kernel on my wife's PA-2013 ma'board
with K6-2 350 & it worked fine.  I don't see which VIA it has, tho.

-- 
<> Robert Geer & Donna Tomky  |               *             <>
<>    bgeer@xmission.com      |    _o      *   o *      o   <>
<>    dtomky@xmission.com     |   -\<,      * <\      </L   <>
<> Salt Lake City, Utah  USA  |   O/ O     __ /__,    />    <>

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From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk                              22-Sep-99 21:36:03
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:26
Subj: Re: tcp/ip problems

From: JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)

I've been having connection problems and have been looking at other dialling
scripts.  I think you'll find the answer in the documentation for the In-Joy
dialler.  Protocol 2080 is a service not supported by the dialler - not sure
which part - could be the ppp driver.  FCS invalid means that the frame check
sum was wrong for a packet.  FCS errors do happen occasionally.

If the errors are not stopping your connection don't worry about them.

In message <Pine.SUN.3.96.990921212938.28853A-100000@compass.OregonVOS.net> -
Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net> writes:
:>
:>
:>when trying to initiate a tcp/ip connection the status log in the Other
:>Dialers window show NETW error invalid protocol 2080 and error invalid
:>FCS. Just what the heck is this and how can I correct it?
:>
:>Thanks for any help you can give.
:>
:>--
:>Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
:>LHS Class of '69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
:>Do I believe in the Bible? Heck I've SEEN one.
:>



Jim Backus - Electronic Systems Engineer - OS/2 user by choice
 - member of Amnesty International
 - supporter of Proportional Representation
Bona fide  replies to jimb (at) jita dot demon dot co dot uk

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         22-Sep-99 23:00:26
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:26
Subj: Re: Building my own OS/2 system.

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:54:09 -0400, Bennie Nelson wrote:

>I just built three OS/2 systems using:
>
>DFI motherboards (K6BV3+ and P5BV3+)
>AMD K6-III 400 Mhz
>Matrox G200
>Adaptec 2910c and 2940UW scsi controllers
>
Tekram DC390 series SCSI controllers do a good job. They seem to be
cheaper than the Adaptec offerings, at least in the UK.

Matrox are definitely worth supporting because they take the trouble to
produce OS/2 drivers for their products and I'm sure a lot of us would
like to see them continue to do this so we give them support by buying
the products...


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Cricket: old English traditional variant of the rain dance.


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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           22-Sep-99 17:00:16
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:26
Subj: Re: Diamond Viper v770 os/2?

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

Forrest Gehrke wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have been told by a Win98 user the Diamond Viper V770
> is a pretty good video card. But the question is: does
> a driver exist for it under OS/2?
> //

Yes, the gradd drivers.

Robert

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                22-Sep-99 09:30:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:26
Subj: Re: Fixpack 11

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 Jack Weaver wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can obtain the latest (v1.78 or better) of
> RSUINST.EXE?

1.91: ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/rsu/rsuinstn.exe

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              22-Sep-99 23:38:00
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 04:15:26
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <dxKndd8YehcW-pn2-VVljEGYWwR7i@cx342824-a.dt1.sdca.home.com>,
admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes) writes:
>Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.
>
>Edmond Dantes
>phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

dink's Z is outstanding. It is not a pm app but is the best mp3
player for os/2. I love it and it consumes less resources than
any other os/2 player out there. Check it out at:

http://dink.org


Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                22-Sep-99 20:52:26
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:13
Subj: Re: Judgment Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) said:
>Businesses are not Star Boarders on this planet. Businesses drink our  water,
>breath our air, take up space in our community and therefore have  the SAME
>responsibilities towards the community, to enhance, improve, and  protect the
>common good and commonwealth, as any of its citizens, so they  are NOT
allowed
>to smirk and say "We get to do this or that crime against  humanity because
all
>we have to do is make profits for our shareholders."

>I agree it's not popular, and I agree it's not usual, to say this,

Hear, hear.

Businesses are, composed of people.  Your picture of business is a picture of
people.  And they say the race is improving.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            23-Sep-99 01:52:05
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: Address IR port on ThinkPad like COM2

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

You enabled the IR port in the bios, didn't you?

Regards,
Tim

Jan Eri wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:19:16, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy
> Donnelly) wrote:
> > The IRDA package I used did indeed substitute for standard OS/2-installed
> > drivers, and included a different INFRARED.PDR port driver and LMDLL.DLL.
> > The instructions in the IRDA package were clear enough for me to see how
to
>
> Yes, but to me it seems they won't give me anything I don't already
> have with the standard drivers (unless you would happen to know that
> it gave the possibility to handle the infrared port as a COM port :-)
>
> > > DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\IRDD.SYS 2F8 3
> > I don't need any parameters on that line. Try Alt-F2 at bootup and watch
> > the reports for drivers loading, to make sure that one is "taking".
>
> That is if you have configured your IR-port to use the COM1 I/O
> address? I have seen elsewhere that it is a common problem that one
> has to add these parameters. In my case the driver does not install
> unless I do.
>
> > I've never had those last 2 drivers, so I can't help you. I didn't need to
> > see COM2, since I had the option of an INFRARED Printer port showing up on
> > my output choices. What do you need to use the IR port for, specifically?
>
> I need it to communicate with a modem with infrared serial port (as
> implemented in a cellular phone)
>
> regards,
> Jan
>
>  -------------------------------------------------
> | Jan Eri         | Surfing with OS/2 Warp 4      |
> | Protector AS    | http://www.protector-group.no |
> | NORWAY          | http://home.eunet.no/~jeri    |
>  -------------------------------------------------

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From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net                     23-Sep-99 01:54:07
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: VIA chipset mobo--will it run OS/2 and Suse 6.2?

From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net (Zephyr Q)

It was Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:18:16 and Christian Hennecke 
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> spake unto us, 
saying:

--> Zephyr Q schrieb:
--> > 
--> >         I'm getting a good deal on a VIA vpx97-AT mobo--will it run
--> > OS/2 w3 and Suse 6.2 alright?  Or are there any problems I
--> > should be aware of?
--> 
--> I don't know about SuSE, but Warp 3 or 4 should run fine. I have a Tyan
--> Trinity ATX with Via MVP3 chipset and all's well, but I don't have any
--> IDE devices. I guess you'll need to use some updated drivers from VIA or
--> the DANIS506 package to get things running at good speed. A friend of
--> mine has an AOpen VIA board ans uses those drivers with no problems.

	I've checked the EFA website (makers of this board) and I 
didn't see much in the way of updated drivers (except the 
IDE, but I'm getting those on floppy).

  As far as the DANIS506 package, what is it and what will 
it do for me??

	Thanx for your time.

--> 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  Finding his place in   ~
~   Cosmos,               ~
~  Directed only by Him   ~
~   who created the       ~
~    Kosmos               ~ 
~               Zephyr Q  ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net                     23-Sep-99 01:49:16
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: VIA chipset mobo--will it run OS/2 and Suse 6.2?

From: rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net (Zephyr Q)

	Thanx for the info...I hate getting good deals on hardware 
and finding out that it is only a good deal if it runs 
windoze...(which, of course, ruins the deal...;->  )



It was Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:26:11 and askbill*AT*ibm.net 
spake unto us, saying:

-->    at 02:44 AM, rIiHqArToEll@tShPeA-wMord.net (Zephyr Q) said:
--> 
--> 
--> >	I'm getting a good deal on a VIA vpx97-AT mobo--will it run OS/2 w3 and
--> >Suse 6.2 alright?  Or are there any problems I  should be aware of?
--> 
--> >	BTW, I'm going to drop a PI-166 (MMX) processor in it 
--> >(finally getting rid of my 486DX4-120!--lasted 3 
--> >years...sigh...).
--> 
--> Dunno about Suse, but that MB will run W3 or W4 just fine, and  probably
--> at 200 MHz with the older (non-MMX) P-166, as well as recent AMD-K6's. 
--> Was not so hot with Cyrix or older AMD, as they can stress the voltage
--> regulators a tad.  Very good results with  P-233 also.  Be aware that I
--> have no idea how well the IDE works, we are an all-SCSI house, even on the
--> cheap stuff.
--> 
--> Bill Hacker
--> -- 
--> -----------------------------------------------------------
--> askbill@ibm.net (William B. Hacker, III)
--> 
--> Titanic '12   NYSE '29   Windows '95 and subsequent.....
--> -----------------------------------------------------------
--> 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  Finding his place in   ~
~   Cosmos,               ~
~  Directed only by Him   ~
~   who created the       ~
~    Kosmos               ~ 
~               Zephyr Q  ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: williamd1@ibm.net                                 23-Sep-99 02:21:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: Warp 3 "Make New Folder"?

From: williamd1@ibm.net (williamd1)

Thanks Baden!

Don't know why I never thought of just dragging the folder template
over to the c drive. I like the object oriented approach of os/2, but
I'm afraid I haven't used it to advantage so far. Guess I'm still
trying to get out of a mode of thinking in endless hierarchies...

Bill

__
williamd1@ibm.net


On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:35:13 GMT, baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden
Kudrenecky) wrote:

>The first way is to drag off a "Folder" template from within
>your "Templates" folder.  I always keep my "Folder" template on
>my Desktop to use it that way.  You can move a Template object
>by holding the "Shift" key down when you use the Right Mouse
>Button (RMB) to move it.

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 22-Sep-99 21:32:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: dire problems laid to rest

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Well, it looks like we got the drive sorted out, all on our
own.  Thanks to your prodding, Mr. Wright, I took pity on
IBM and decide to see about fixing it myself instead of
whipping myself up into a state of spurious indignation to
get a replacement.

Once again, I reformatted my b*ggered Warp4 partition and
restored from backup.  Still wouldn't boot.  Then I ran
chkdsk on it, and this time saved the results of the log.
which started out with about 10 of these:

********** Log Entry 7 **********
Message Number: LOG00625
Message Text: bad free spare dirblk (#10), LSN = 0x82890

	a couple of these:

********** Log Entry 13 **********
Message Number: LOG00301
Message Text: INFORMATION: bad_super = 0x0, bad_spare = 0x20
(0 is good)

********** Log Entry 14 **********
Message Number: LOG01205
Message Text: INFORMATION: Starting the Orphan Check,
messages past this point may be attempts to recover data

	and seemingly dozens of these:

********** Log Entry 52 **********
Message Number: LOG02020
Message Text: The directory entry for the file: \ruggia.bmp
claims an invalid FN ode!  The LSN of the Directory FNode
for this Directory is 0x698ca.  The DirBlk LSN of the
topmost DirBlk for this Directory is 0x828b4.  The LSN of
the DirBlk containing the error is 0x828b4.  The LSN of the
FNode claimed by the directory entry is 0x6cbd9.

I don't know much about drive geometry, etc, but I
remembered that Partition Magic does a fairly through check
on things, so as a last measure before low-level formatting
and restoring, which would have taken its toll in a day lost
and a good deal of anxiety besides, I ran PQMAGICT from a
disk boot, ran its check, and it said something about bad
spare blocks.  So, I deleted the partition and recreated it
from the freespace, then restored the system partition, and
it seemed to take -- yesterday morning, anyway.

I haven't backed everything up yet, for lack of time but
also because I fully expect it to completely blow up any
minute now and I want to fit in as much desktop
customization and config.sys re-tweaking as I possibly can
before I lose it all forever, natch.

I should have known I had found the (at least for the
moment) solution, since as my tar backup was finishing
restoring my Warp4 partition, I had completed writing the
batchfiles to write the whole damned disk over for after I
reformatted from the start.

Btw, don't think your remarks go unread, Mr. Wright, or that
I've forgotten your suggestion that I would be "pulling a
gi--."  Don't think you can slip this sort of thing by me
just because you're versed in limey slang, neither, and or
because I haven't the faintest notion what you were
implying.  All I have to do is whip out my Partridge -- no,
no, I mean pull out my slang dict. -- oh well, anyway.... 
While I'm at it that was quite a phenomenal discussion with
Henk about inis there.  I would have jumped in but er, Henk
said most everything I was going to.  

Anyway, I thank you, and IBM thanks you too, having spared
them my anger and spite and the trouble of having to replace
the whole HD.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    22-Sep-99 21:05:09
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:59:48, JHB@jita.demon.co.uk (Jim 
>Backus) wrote:
>
>îMany people have said that it is time that there is a refresh of Warp - not
a
>înew version but perhaps 4.1 to include large HD friendly installation and
all
>îthe current fixpacks.

Well, I wonder.  I purchased OS/2 Warp 4 about one year ago, brand new from
Indelible Blue.  I was upgrading from Warp 3.  Let's see, 1998, about 4(?)
years after the original release?  The box looked slightly different from the
one my brother-in law purchased some years earlier.  It had a note about Y2K
on the front, also, I didn't have any problems with my 10GB HD.  Also, the
DDPack  that was with it was dated sometime in 97 I believe.  Sounds like a
"refreshed" version if you ask me.  Let's be honest guys, how many of you
legal licensees of OS/2 Warp 4 who have it installed and working on your
machine at the time, would rush out tomorrow and spend $50+ on a "refreshed"
Warp when you already paid for the existing one??  The world is rapidly
moving toward Internet based software acquisition.  RSUINST is not perfect,
but compared to when it first came out, or back when you had to download the
individual diskettes . . . remember those days???  Now I can download and
install the latest fixpack *almost* completely hands-off.

But you know what, people are gonna still whine about a refresh that we all
know they won't buy, people are still gonna sing the death tolls of OS/2,
people are still gonna ask for a new client.  Things are gonna proceed as
they have.

That's the beauty of USENET.

Tony.



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From: arelyea@vt.edu                                    22-Sep-99 21:08:14
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: "Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu>

On 20 Sep 1999 23:45:28 -0800, waynebrown@cableregina.com wrote:

>Now, if only we could do our banking from home using OS2!!!!
>
>Wayne Brown

I use a combination of Web-based interface and a little JAVA.

Tony.



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From: admin@hotmail.com                                 23-Sep-99 03:37:12
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:38:01, cotroneo@stny.rr.com wrote:

> In <dxKndd8YehcW-pn2-VVljEGYWwR7i@cx342824-a.dt1.sdca.home.com>,
admin@hotmail.com (Edmond Dantes) writes:
> >Is there a PM mp3 player in the works?  I couldn't find one at Hobbes.
> >
> >Edmond Dantes
> >phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com
>
> dink's Z is outstanding. It is not a pm app but is the best mp3
> player for os/2. I love it and it consumes less resources than
> any other os/2 player out there. Check it out at:

Thanks everybody for your recomendations.  Now how about rippers and
encoders?

Edmond Dantes
phydeaux(the 'at' thing)home.com

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From: tholenAntiSpam@ifa.hawaii.edu                     23-Sep-99 04:39:23
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenAntiSpam@ifa.hawaii.edu

Steven Hunter writes:

> Joe Malloy wrote:

> <snip>

>>> It was released yesterday.  Go to IBM's Software Choice web site.

>> Not when I was there it wasn't.

> Oh I see; you're the ultimate judge of what is fact and not... If you
> don't see it, it can't possibly be true.

Par for Malloy.  I certainly didn't have any trouble finding the betas
that have been available for download for several weeks.  Of course,
Malloy was probably there years ago but not since then.

>>> Chalk up another bonehead posting by Joe Malloy.

>> IBM posts his Netscape 4.61 just in the nick of time (at least
>> according to him).  It figures Tholen is a bonehead about it -- once
>> a Kook-of-the-Month, always a Kook.

> Why can't you just admit you were wrong?

It would go against his pattern of posting just to contradict or abuse
me.  He has a lengthy track record of such responses.

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From: tholenAntiSpam@ifa.hawaii.edu                     23-Sep-99 04:41:29
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: tholenAntiSpam@ifa.hawaii.edu

Bennie Nelson writes:

>>>> Bennie Nelson writes [to Jeff Glatt]:

>>>>> You've taken to using Dave Tholen's words to convey your meaning. 
That's
>>>>> risky, don't you think?  People might actually say that because you're
>>>>> using his words, that means you're just like him.  In fact, that's the
>>>>> kind of thing you've done in the past.

>>>> Except I haven't engaged in libel the way Jeff did recently.

>>> I guess I could have put <g> at the end of that paragraph.

>> You could have.

>>> I wasn't trying to imply the reverse situation: that you are like Jeff.

>> I still don't agree with the non-reverse situation.

> I don't, either.  And, I figured that Jeff didn't, either.  He just didn't
> think through the consequences of his words versus his erroneous
condemnation
> of me for writing something similar.  Knowing Jeff's antipathy towards you,
I
> thought it was a good opportunity to shove a mirror in front of him and hope
> that he'd see the error in his thinking.

Been there, done that.  He doesn't see himself in that mirror.  Must
be a vampire.

>>> I was simply pointing out to Jeff a ramification of a tactic he'd used
>>> earlier.  I'd cited the fact that some people believe that playing cards
>>> is immoral.  He used that to assert that I was allied with those people
>>> as an active supporter, and moreover, that I was just like those people.
>>>
>>> Given his train of thought: since he'd cited your words, that makes
>>> him a Tholen supporter, and furthermore, it means he's just like you.

>> There are significant differences between me and Jeff.

> Agreed.

>>>>> You really need to be careful what you post here.

>>>> Yes, he should.

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 02:03:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37e9691e$2$nfxovyy$mr2ice@news1.ibm.net>, askbill*AT*ibm.net writes:
>In <c1.2b8.2SGXrl$0HQ@cast.grid.ibm.net>, on 09/21/99 
>   at 05:03 PM, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) said:
>
>>In <37e673c4@news2.prserv.net>, "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net> writes:

>It doesn't take much these days.  I have trialed WSeb on a single-board
>half-sized ISA card PC.  AMD K6-366, 64 MB of DRAM, 1.3 GB IDE pulled 
>from a laptop on standoffs.  This one is on a three-slot ISA backplane,
>just so it has a 100 BT NIC and a SCSI controller.  'Bout the size of  an
>office dictionary, video & ports all built-in.
>
>Purpose-built "bisquit" SBC PC these days have the NIC on-board and often
>a modem as well and are even smaller.  As volume is no match for desktop
>PC, they are not all that cheap, but the 386 or 486 ones would be more
>than enough to run an ATM, and could be built "fanless".  Most have
>"MEMDISK" capability and cutome BIOS as well, so no need for an FDD or HDD
>for basic functionality.

O for Pete's sake.   :-)




Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 01:34:22
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Why blame IBM?.

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

Please take this 'He said--she said' to os2.advocacy. 
Thank you.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 01:54:04
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37e85c90@news2.prserv.net>, "Shaun Baker" <shaunus@ibm.net> writes:
>The ATM's all have PC's in them, ranging from 386SX-16 (!) to Pentium 233's.
>The 386's are microchannel machines. All ATM's are on-line permanently via
>leased land lines. There was a pilot of Workspace on Demand which has been
>put on hold. To the best of my knowledge, the bank I am contracted to has
>some 20000 or more OS/2 seats, and in house development on OS/2 continues
>unabated.

Great, it's nice to read that, 20000 OS/2 seats in one bank 
indeed. As we read here, it's the same in the seven(??) banks 
in Canada. That's how I know OS/2 usage to be in the real
world, but I don't travel anywhere near those circles and
haven't seen it.

That's the sort of place where OS/2 v4 goes.

Why would the bank install v4, that is, why don't they 
continue to use the v2.1 which is working well for them? 
Heck, it seems to me the only advantage of v4 is in The Voice.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 02:15:15
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <7s9cl2$bbb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hunters@thunder.indstate.edu writes:
>In article <37e78de2.0@nntp2.borg.com>,
>  "Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com> wrote:
>> Something vaporous like a <tholenantispam@hawaii.edu> tholened:
>>
>> > I'm a home user, and IBM is providing me with Netscape 4.61, which
>> > isn't what I call abandonment.
>>
>> Where is Netscape 4.61 for your beloved OS?  Why, nowhere to be seen!
>
>Try here:
>ftp://service5.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe

Not so.  You get NS 4.61GA from Software Choice, here and 
drill in...

http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/swchoice/

When you're downloading NS 4.61, you might see that it's 
coming from the Boulder site above.  But that is closed to you 
and you cannot get to that site directly, you must get to it 
through the Software Choice page.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: thoman@verinet.com                                23-Sep-99 06:11:05
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <37dc0650$1$efzvgf$mr2ice@news.islandnet.com>, rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca
writes:
>
>I haven't been able to see the beginning of this thread, so maybe I've
>missed something. Symantec has just announced it's going to include an
>OS/2 client version in it's next release of the Norton  AntiVirus program.
>(I saw it in Focus on OS/2 ezine). Why is everybody pissed off at
>Symantec? This sounds like a positive development.

        I wonder if you were looking at outdated information.  I tiptoed
through Focus on OS/2 (http://os2.miningco.com) (doesn't look like an 
e-zine to me...) and ended up at
   http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2222963,00.html
which is from March of 1999.  Way back then, Esther Schindler reported
that Tim Ristine of Symantec said there would be an "end-user" version
of Norton Antivirus for OS/2 at an unspecified date.

        Earlier this week, I decided to try upgrading and so called
Symantec.  The rep I spoke with courteously took my info and asked that
I FAX proof of ownership of my 3 copies of IBM AntiVirus.  I FAXed,
and I received... three copies of Norton AntiVirus having nothing to
do with OS/2.
        So, I called again, described my woeful situation to another
rep, and was told that no sign of a single-user Norton AntiVirus for
OS/2 could be found among Symantec's offerings.  I described the debate
in this newsgroup among the "I got it with no trouble" and "Umpteen
calls to Symantec yielded nothing" camps.  At this, the rep put me on
hold to go inquire further.  She returned to the line and reported
being told that Symantec had been issuing single-user upgrades for a
while but quit due to low volume.  Thus, no go.  She said she would
refund my money for the botched order (thanks) and asked whether I
would be interested in a 10-user corporate license (no, thanks).

        In other news, here are a few info tidbits (true when I
checked 'em on 1999 Sept 22).
   http://www.indelible-blue.com/datasheet/IBMantivirus
      Claims OS/2 support is expected in the NAV retail box
         by August 1999.  That claim has been there for a while...
   http://www.symantec.com/corporate/ibm/offer.html
      Closes with:  "For inquiries regarding switching from
         single-unit copies of IBM AntiVirus to Norton
         AntiVirus, please call 1(800) 441-7234."
      Notice it doesn't claim they'll actually do anything for you,
         it just invites you to ask.  So, if you haven't asked yet,
         _do_.


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              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        23-Sep-99 06:41:11
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: Address IR port on ThinkPad like COM2

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:52:11, Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk> 
wrote:
> You enabled the IR port in the bios, didn't you?
> Regards,
> Tim

Thanks Tim,

Yes I did. All the drivers load fine now (with IR eneabled in BIOS and
the parameters appended to DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\IRDD.SYS 2F8 3). Problem
is only to access the IR port as an COM port. If I do a MODE COM2 I 
get "The COM21 device is not ready"

Have you had this working?

regards,
Jan

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| Jan Eri         | Surfing with OS/2 Warp 4      | 
| Protector AS    | http://www.protector-group.no | 
| NORWAY          | http://home.eunet.no/~jeri    |
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From: stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au                   23-Sep-99 15:10:10
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au (stephen)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:01:13, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> stephen (stephen@midac.splat.spam.com.au) wrote:
> : On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:17:50, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
> : Hong) wrote:
> 
> : > As well, what is also cool is 
> : > that SmartCache also in a way replaces Internet JunkBuster, it too can 
> : > kill banner adds and cookies as well as a few other features like 
> : > changing one's referel header and changing one's user agent.  
> 
> : Although I do still have JunkBuster running concurrently for secure 
> : sites which SmartCache does not handle. One uses port 8000 the other 
> : 8080
> 
> 	Is it possible to have both SmartCache and Internet Junkbuster 
> running at the same time for a browser?  There is only room there for one 
> http proxy...
> 
> 

Yes, it is possible to set up the browser for SmartCache for insecure 
sites, that is the HTTP entry in the proxy configuration, and to set 
up Junkbuster for secure sites, that is the SECURITY entry in the 
proxy configuration. (HTTP and SECURITY are the titles given to these 
entries in 4.61). Well, that is how I have them set up and it seems to
work. 

Regards,

Stephen

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From: dpeterso@halcyon.com                              22-Sep-99 22:57:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Dennis Peterson <dpeterso@halcyon.com>

rj friedman wrote:
> 
> It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so
> many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the
> Stardock/Warp5 fiasco.

I don't know if it was a fiasco. There is no proof one way or the other.

> Has it not occurred to anyone that
> the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were
> not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business
> plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to
> entrust OS/2 to Stardock?

How do you know Stardock applied for something at IBM for which they
were turned down?

dp

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From: rgehrig@primenet.com                              23-Sep-99 01:15:07
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 06:08:14
Subj: Re: Building my own OS/2 system.

From: "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:40:49 +0200, Christian Hennecke wrote:

>Mark Framness schrieb:
>> First off what motherboards work with OS/2?  &/or which do not?
>
>I don't know if there are any motherboards that really don't work. You
>should consider buying a board with Intel BX chipset (better memory
>performance etc.) if you want to go the Intel way or one with a VIA
>chipset (Aladin has problems providing enough current for some cards) if
>you'd like to use an AMD. You'll need updated drivers for IDE.
>
>> Same for SCSI adapters.
>
>Buy an adapter with Symbios/LSI Logic chips. IMHO Tekram has the best
>price/value ratio. Symbios/LSI Logic also seems to be very good. I would
>NOT buy Adaptec, they are too expensive and there are some problems with
>their drivers.
>
>> Also I'm interested in setting up this system with OS/2 server, not the
>> client.  Where do I find the entry version of Warp Server?  I see on that
>> particular online vendor's website Server for e-business and another
>> "advanced server" system but I have little need for that as I'm just
>> working on a home network which may evolve into only slightly greater
>> things.
>
>AFAIK there is only one package of WSeB and it's, well, not very cheap
>(about US$ 1400 I think). Warp Server Advanced is an older version,
>based on Warp 3. I don't know much about the features. A nice thing to
>have would be HPFS386 (Isn't it part of Warp Server Advanced?). Another
>thing to consider is SMP (symmetric multi processoring).
>
>Christian Hennecke
>-- 
>Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

Try on eBay for a cheap copy of Warp Server Advanced.




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From: C.J.@btsoftware.com                               23-Sep-99 10:31:18
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: File Commander/2 !!!!!!!!!!

From: "C.J." <C.J.@btsoftware.com>

File Commander/2
************************
File Manager

File Commander is a 32 bit text mode file manager and shell that allows you
to locate, copy, move, delete, view, edit and execute your files in a quick,
convenient and customizable manner.

Versions for windows 95/98/NT and OS2 are available.

Check it out and download File Commander/2 for a free trial period from:
	http://www.btsoftware.com/os2/filecmdr.htm



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From: p-h@gmx.de                                        23-Sep-99 12:11:28
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

From: Peter Herbstmann <p-h@gmx.de>

Edmond Dantes wrote:
>  
> Thanks everybody for your recomendations.  Now how about rippers and
> encoders?
> 
  Try starting your further search for stuff like this on one of the
link pages like "MP3 Software on OS/2 Warp"

	http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~malstrom/mp3.html

This gives lots of tips and even links to further web pages of a similar
type.
Peter
-- 
Peter Herbstmann
eMail:    p-h@gmx.de

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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            23-Sep-99 11:52:03
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:00
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Joe Kovacs wrote:

î >Try here:
î >ftp://service5.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
î 
î Not so.  You get NS 4.61GA from Software Choice, here and 
î drill in...
î 
î http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/swchoice/
î 
î When you're downloading NS 4.61, you might see that it's 
î coming from the Boulder site above.  But that is closed to you 
î and you cannot get to that site directly, you must get to it 
î through the Software Choice page.

I think you're mistaken on that point....I was able to access the file
directly via ftp.

Steve

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               23-Sep-99 11:17:07
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:00
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)


>> Many people have said that it is time that there is a refresh of Warp - not 
a
>> new version but perhaps 4.1 to include large HD friendly installation and
all
>> the current fixpacks.
 
> And someone else pointed out that such a refresh would be 
> out of date in three months when the next fixpack/update is 
> released, so there is really no point to it, after all.

Having to install from patched (!) diskettes to start with (which would vanish
which such a refreshed CD, I hope) and with java 1.1.8 included instead of 
an JavaOS2 dir from Java 1.0.2 and with the new Netscape on board right a
way as well as the newest patch for TCP/IP and MPTS stack that they want to
supply for free to us <g> "at this time" would make it well worth the 20 USD
ship-
ping and handling fee, for me at least. They might also make it a continuous
stream.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               23-Sep-99 11:17:06
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:00
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

> Check your previous post with message-id:
> 
> <BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-Ro3sOdYmhrSB@n449.telekabel.euronet.nl>
> 
> It has the following (wrong) references in the headers:

< snipped >

May be. I do not do those things myself. I simply used ProNews, clicked
on FollowUp on your post, took out of your post what was not relevant for
my observation about Timmy never attacking you on being in these groups
while you are no OS/2 user and typed that observation. Fired the send-button
and of it went. What happens with references in ProNews and at my cable-pro-
vider who is having quite some problems with their news-systems is a black box
for me. Which by the way is the way I would like to keep it. So let me
apoligize if
i have misinterpreted your reply to my post. My post sure enough popped up
under
yours in the article-thread in ProNews, so I had no indication there was
anything wrong.

>>> Set back to *.misc as it belongs in (as it's here I post and you flame
me).
 
>> You seem to look different at my reply than I did when I posted it. If you
>> call this flaming you, I did not get the intention across. It was not about 
you.

> See your own post
(<BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-Ro3sOdYmhrSB@n449.telekabel.euronet.nl>)
> and if you don't call that a poor flame or trolling on your part I think you
> have some poor judgement on such things.

Perhaps, if you say so. But I still don't see any flaming of you. Just an
observation
that Timmy never attacked you while you told us there that you do not use
OS/2. So,
if you would say that I was flaming Timmy then I would thing you are right,
but you ... no.

As I said before this post of me was not directed against you. 

>> It was an observation which came up because you yourself wrote:
>> 
>> " . .. and for my own systems I'm more than happy with running NT4 and
>> to also be experimenting with Win 2K B3 and FreeBSD installations) .".

> That might me 2 lines (who was side marks to all the rest of the contents of
> my whole post) who made you so extremely upset and angry, but that doesn't
> justify in no way your both erroneous and also insulting comments about me.

I do not find "erroneous and alos insulting comments" about you in my original 
post.

> Sorry, but I think your whole post only belongs in alt.flame. It had
> absolutely nothing of value in either comments or the thread discussed.

As my reader followed up on your post in the thread I found it in "Potential
virus
threats (Was Judgement Day ..." in comp.os.os.os2 AND I quoted from that post
of yours and it was the only way to attach my observation that popped up
because
of your remark in a relevant way to that remark of you I still not see that is 
wrong. Due
to technicalities (be it here or my cable-provider) it may have popped up
elsewhere (on
your system and/or others, not on mine). If so I am sorry about that.
  
>> An observation which could only be fup-ed by attaching it to your post,
>>which I correctly did. Your suggestion that I falsely quoted you is
despicable.

> Please re-read my post before yet again claiming things which isn't true. I
> said that your references in your headers doesn't match the quoted contents.

As I said above, the referencing in my headers may have gone wrong but without
me knowing anything about that or willfully participicating in it. I simply
typed <grin>
in the window that popped up when I told ProNews I wanted to FUP and fired
that.
 
> See comments above. Also try Deja News (http://www.deja.com/forms/mid.shtml)
> if you don't believe me.
> 
> I don't say (or even think) that it's intentional done by you, just that you
> perhaps should change to a working news reader or go over it's settings.

Thanks, as said it is unintentional. I did not hear about problems with that
in
ProNews Build 1.50 Beta 1 so I assume the problem was introduced later on.
If anyone knows about this kind of problems in ProNews please let it be heard.

Let me finish with stating once again I was not trying to flame or insult you, 
If my
observation about Timmy being inconsistent (again) looked that way I
apologize.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                23-Sep-99 13:00:17
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:00
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:17:14, News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van 
Dobben de Bruijn) wrote:

î> And someone else pointed out that such a refresh would be 
î> out of date in three months when the next fixpack/update is 
î> released, so there is really no point to it, after all.

îHaving to install from patched (!) diskettes to start with (which would
vanish
îwhich such a refreshed CD, I hope)...

Well, I can see your point - but for that, all they would 
really have to do is include an updated set of install 
disks.

î...and with java 1.1.8 included instead of 
îan JavaOS2 dir from Java 1.0.2 and with the new Netscape on board right a
îway as well as the newest patch for TCP/IP and MPTS stack that they want to
îsupply for free to us <g> "at this time" would make it well worth the 20 USD
ship-
îping and handling fee, for me at least...

But you can get all that, already from Indelible Blue, or 
BMT Micro.


îThey might also make it a continuous stream.

I really don't think they want to get into this - it doesn't
fit with their picture of OS/2's marketing position. I 
recommend that everyone read Tom Nadeau's take on this: 
"IBM, FORESTS, and TREES," at his web page at 
http://www.os2hq.com.

It is the most succint and well reasoned exposition on the 
topic that I have come across (including my own <g>).





________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
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From: cfellows@execpc.com                               23-Sep-99 08:12:17
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:00
Subj: What did I do???

From: Cliff Fellows <cfellows@execpc.com>

Ever since I "upgraded" from Netscape 2.02 to 4.** there are web
pages/sites that will not load. Primarilly my home page! Is there a
setting that allows/disallows certain pages to load? Any pointers would
be appreciated.
Stats:
Warp4 Fxpk11, AMD233, 32Megs-o-ram, Netscape 4.61 (Beta), Java 1.1.8

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               23-Sep-99 15:27:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:00
Subj: Re: PM mp3 player?

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Edmond Dantes schrieb:
> Thanks everybody for your recomendations.  Now how about rippers and
> encoders?

Huh. There are tons. The best freeware ripper seems to be Leech. Try
LAME or BladeEnc for native encoders or use ToMPG with Win32-OS/2. LAME
and BladeEnc seem to provide the highest quality while ToMPG is
BLAZINGLY fast!
There are also some pretty good frontends, like CD2MP3PM.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                23-Sep-99 10:07:16
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:00
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Antonio Relyea" <arelyea@vt.edu> said:

>I purchased OS/2 Warp 4 about one year ago, brand new from
>Indelible Blue.  I was upgrading from Warp 3.  Let's see, 1998, about 4(?)
>years after the original release?  The box looked slightly different from the
>one my brother-in law purchased some years earlier.  It had a note about Y2K
on
>the front, also, I didn't have any problems with my 10GB HD.  Also, the
DDPack 
>that was with it was dated sometime in 97 I believe.  Sounds like a
"refreshed"
>version if you ask me.  Let's be honest guys, how many of you legal licensees
>of OS/2 Warp 4 who have it installed and working on your machine at the time,
>would rush out tomorrow and spend $50+ on a "refreshed"

Well, if it's just laying around there already, why would it need to be $50?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Sep-99 12:34:01
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:52:06, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> a 
Úcrit dans un message:

> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Joe Kovacs wrote:
> 
> î >Try here:
> î >ftp://service5.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
> î 
> î Not so.  You get NS 4.61GA from Software Choice, here and 
> î drill in...
> î 
> î http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/swchoice/
> î 
> î When you're downloading NS 4.61, you might see that it's 
> î coming from the Boulder site above.  But that is closed to you 
> î and you cannot get to that site directly, you must get to it 
> î through the Software Choice page.
> 
> I think you're mistaken on that point....I was able to access the file
> directly via ftp.

And if not, it's still there for open FTP at:

ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com:/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe

along with a June build of 404 I think I missed earlier.



Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                23-Sep-99 14:59:26
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

I came across an article "IBM, Forests, and Trees," at Tom 
Nadeau's OS/2 Headquarters site (http://ww.os2hq.com) that 
is a MUST READ for any OS/2 user concerned with the future 
of OS/2 in the aftermath of IBM's decision that they didn't 
want Stardock as a third party distributor of their OS/2 
operating system, and Brad Wardell's irresponsible 
declaration that OS/2 was dead because of that decision.

IMO, it is the most succint, clear, and cogent, exposition 
of the topic that I have seen yet (including my own <g>).



________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               23-Sep-99 08:29:13
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On 23 Sep 1999 14:59:52 GMT, rj friedman wrote:

>Brad Wardell's irresponsible 
>declaration that OS/2 was dead because of that decision.

I would not agree to that as "irresponsible".   This is very common with ISVs
that got drag through the mud.   Brad invested significant amount of energy
and resource on this issue.

He got "burnt" - beyond recognition: if I may add.

Since you spent some time in Taiwan, you should understand the Chinese pharse
of "Two faces and three daggers".   He got stabed by that third dagger.


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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               23-Sep-99 10:24:02
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

Many of the people on the Compuserve OS/2 forums (fora?) who received and
tried
Nortaon AntiVirus for OS/2 don't like it, so I never bothered pushing Symantec 
to
send me one.

Alan

thoman@verinet.com wrote:

>         Earlier this week, I decided to try upgrading and so called
> Symantec.  The rep I spoke with courteously took my info and asked that
> I FAX proof of ownership of my 3 copies of IBM AntiVirus.  I FAXed,
> and I received... three copies of Norton AntiVirus having nothing to
> do with OS/2.
>         So, I called again, described my woeful situation to another
> rep, and was told that no sign of a single-user Norton AntiVirus for
> OS/2 could be found among Symantec's offerings.  I described the debate
> in this newsgroup among the "I got it with no trouble" and "Umpteen
> calls to Symantec yielded nothing" camps.  At this, the rep put me on
> hold to go inquire further.  She returned to the line and reported
> being told that Symantec had been issuing single-user upgrades for a
> while but quit due to low volume.  Thus, no go.  She said she would
> refund my money for the botched order (thanks) and asked whether I
> would be interested in a 10-user corporate license (no, thanks).

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From: donm@ftel.net                                     23-Sep-99 16:01:29
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: ICQ on OS/2

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

:>>Can anyone tell me if ICQ can be used under OS/2?  If so, where do you
:>>get it?
:>I'm using the JavaICQ, and it works reasonably well(with a few odd
:>quirks that I can live with).  You can get it from the main ICQ site
:>as far as I know.

You can also grab AICQ from www.blackpalace.com  my website.  I've lost track
of Pavel, the author, but neither the Java version or AICQ is being updated
right now..

don.m


********************************************************
  If a million monkeys on typewriters can eventually
       type out the Bible, given enough time.
     Then Bill Gates had 25 monkeys and a week! 
********************************************************
  dmorse@pacificnet.net using Merlin and EmTec News
    ICQ 245937, AOL IM merlinof2  www.blackpalace.com
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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    23-Sep-99 17:15:12
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

Except you're being dishonest,  Brad didn't declare OS/2 dead, he repeated
what everybody knows, IBM won't commit to a new client.

In article <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-ZCJRIdDU6FVd@localhost>,
rj friedman <rjf@yyycomasia.com> wrote:
>I came across an article "IBM, Forests, and Trees," at Tom 
>Nadeau's OS/2 Headquarters site (http://ww.os2hq.com) that 
>is a MUST READ for any OS/2 user concerned with the future 
>of OS/2 in the aftermath of IBM's decision that they didn't 
>want Stardock as a third party distributor of their OS/2 
>operating system, and Brad Wardell's irresponsible 
>declaration that OS/2 was dead because of that decision.
>
>IMO, it is the most succint, clear, and cogent, exposition 
>of the topic that I have seen yet (including my own <g>).
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________
>
>[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
>rj friedman          Team ABW              
>Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 
>
>To send email - remove the `yyy'
>________________________________________________________
>


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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           23-Sep-99 13:34:09
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:52:06, Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com> a
> ÿcrit dans un message:
> 
> > On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Joe Kovacs wrote:
> >
> > î >Try here:
> > î >ftp://service5.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
> > î
> > î Not so.  You get NS 4.61GA from Software Choice, here and
> > î drill in...
> > î
> > î http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/swchoice/
> > î
> > î When you're downloading NS 4.61, you might see that it's
> > î coming from the Boulder site above.  But that is closed to you
> > î and you cannot get to that site directly, you must get to it
> > î through the Software Choice page.
> >
> > I think you're mistaken on that point....I was able to access the file
> > directly via ftp.
> 
> And if not, it's still there for open FTP at:
> 
> ftp://peak1.boulder.ibm.com:/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
> 
> along with a June build of 404 I think I missed earlier.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Buddy
> 
> Buddy Donnelly
> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com

Joe is accurate, though, if you are looking for the 128-bit security
edition - that requires a password bundled into the web-based download
procedure, while the international version is freely available via ftp
et al.
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From: fortran5@ix.netcom.com                            23-Sep-99 12:04:22
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: memroy leak

From: "Leo Ma" <fortran5@ix.netcom.com>

Hi, everyone:

A real time system, developed with Borland C++ (version 2.0) for OS/2, has
memory leaking problems need to be fixed.

Is there a tool checks memory leaking for borland C/C++ program on OS/2?

Thanks Very much. Any help will be very appreciated.

Leo


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From: prjones@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 19:41:25
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: loss of COM.SYS on install

From: Paul Jones <prjones@ibm.net>

Graham, thanks for the suggestion - I think that I was slightly less than
specific than I might have been in my original post.

What I SHOULD have said WAS:

After I did a complete reload- including format  partition - on loading,
the message  as follows:

"The device driver specified in line xxx was not installed. The line was
ignored"

After your reply, I  did the following: (after checking that the config.sys
line wasn't a duplicate)

1. Checked the path, and the file WAS there.

2. Downloaded the "current" driver from the OS2 DD page, & substituted it
as per the instructions.  No go!

Now, the file "com.sys" is in the OS2/BOOT  sub-dir, with a file size of
18,767 bytes - what do I do, & where do I go from here - ANY OFFERS????

Everything else on the system seems OK - all the right applications seem to
load - IBM dialer etc - but all I get when I try it is a message that COM1
can't be opened - check that it's not in use by another programme (no, it
isn't!) or my modem is configured as a FAX-modem?????

Again, thanks, Graham, for the try!

Paul Jones.



"Graham C. Norris" wrote:

> Check to see if you've got TWO (or more) of them in config.sys, if so,
> get rid of the excess.
>
> Graham
>
> Paul Jones wrote:
> > go OK!  When I re-booted, the first I knew of anything wrong was that
> > the system told me that the line "OS2|boot\com.sys" in the config.sys
> > file would be ignored as the file couldn't be opened.

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From: jmalloy@borg.com                                  23-Sep-99 14:47:05
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:02
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: "Joe Malloy" <jmalloy@borg.com>

Oy vey!  Something tholened like a stuck tholen:
>
> >>> It was released yesterday.  Go to IBM's Software Choice web site.
>
> >> Not when I was there it wasn't.
>
> > Oh I see; you're the ultimate judge of what is fact and not... If you
> > don't see it, it can't possibly be true.
>
> Par for Malloy.  I certainly didn't have any trouble finding the betas
> that have been available for download for several weeks.  Of course,
> Malloy was probably there years ago but not since then.

Bingo!  I was wrong on this one, but that doesn't change to fact that OS/2
doesn't have much to work with.



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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               23-Sep-99 14:28:24
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:02
Subj: Reply from IBM

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

This message seems to be in reponse to my e-mail to Lou Gerstner expressing my
disappointment that there is apparently to be no new OS/2 client:




morecsat@us.ibm.com wrote:

> Dear Mr. Beagley,
>
> Thank you for your interest in IBM's OS/2 family of products.  IBM often
> explores possible business opportunities with other companies.   We do not
> discuss these potential opportunities publicly until a contractual
relationship is
> finalized.
>
> IBM's OS/2 initiative is for customers to achieve platform independence via
our
> application model referred to as the Application Framework for e-business. 
Our
> strategy is focused on server-managed clients.  WorkSpace On-Demand and Warp
> Server for e-business is our solution to this environment and is a early
step for
> transition to the Application Framework.  Our server-managed client solution
> offers centralized management and control of heterogeneous clients,
potential
> lower cost of ownership, and rapid deployment of applications.
>
> We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server for e-business
and
> WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002.  These enhancements will
focus on
> e-business technologies, extending WorkSpace On-Demand to industry servers
other
> than OS/2, and hardware and device driver support that we believe is most
> essential to our key enterprise customers.
>
> We appreciate your feedback regarding IBM and its products.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry Thorn
> NCSD Marketing

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               23-Sep-99 11:32:24
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:02
Subj: Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

As a principal in both TouchVoice, a Computer Telephony Integration
(CTI) application developer and marketer, and Serenity Systems, a
marketing and channel development organization, I feel obliged to
comment on the IBM - Stardock decision and Mr. Brad Wardell's recent
remarks.

First, I agree and support Mr. Bob St.John's remarks regarding Serenity
Systems and Managed Client(r) product positioning which appeared here,
on Warpcast, on Monday, September 20
(http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4111.html). That includes exploring
the licensing of a client product based on the Warp Server for
e.business product. We are currently working to resolve product and
technical issues related to this effort - which we shall refer to as:
"Project eStation".

Second, OS/2 continues to provide the best 
combination of price performance and reliability required for CTI
applications. This includes the TouchVoice WisePath product
(http://www.deltanet.com/touchvoice), a 
carrier class product which can scale up to support the incredible
number of 1.3 million phone lines, and the new WiseTalker Database
Server, marketed through Serenity Systems (www.serenity-systems.com),
allowing this product to scale from supporting one telephone line to
over 2,000. That's the value of OS/2 to a CTI developer.

Third, our Managed Client products create a 
computing environment which runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with
exceptional management for operations and software deployment. This was
demonstrated at the Warp Expo West Vendor 100 exhibit where we built
six client workstations over the network, loaded the OS and close to
100 native OS/2 applications, all within minutes. We will be
demonstrating this again at Warpstock in the Serenity Systems pavilion.
OS/2 Merlin delivers the industry's best Managed Client platform
available today and for the forseeable future.

The Managed Client is intended to provide the ability to outsource the
entire computing environment to a third party, an aspect attractive to
consultants acquiring a recurring revenue stream, and to small and
medium sized business, which have difficulty supporting fat clients and
need an less expensive computing model that the traditional Wintel
network. It also addresses the most expensive support activities in
large organizations. And the Managed Client network can be seen as a
step toward operating system independance for desktop users.

And I have not even begin talking about the WiseAlert Server for
monitoring mission critical operations and BASS (Building Automaticon
and Security Service) channel partner programs - both of which are
available from Serenity Systems.

Last week OS/2 offered TouchVoice and Serenity Systems excellent
revenue opportunities. Nothing has changed this week. In fact, this
week Serenity Systems has received encouraging inquiries from potential
channel partners in the US, Mexico, and Europe.

I applaude Stardock and IBM for the work they did in considering how to
support an new fat client product. I regret the outcome. Mr. Wardell
has tried to deliver a balanced message regarding OS/2. Even so, I
believe the message is too negative. I do believe that not having
Stardock as part of plans for a new OS/2 fat client will hurt a set of
users most directly effected by the traditional fat client. This is an
important group of users but does not represent the end of commercial
opportunity for OS/2.

TouchVoice has never stood still and is not standing still today. We
still see OS/2 as our flagship OS because of the business solutions it
enables. Serenity Systems makes new contacts every week, which
represent new relationships, new beginnings. Not the end.

I feel compelled to be on record with what I believe is a positive,
accurate, and realistic business message.


Kim Cheung



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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Sep-99 20:14:05
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:34:18, "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net> a 
Úcrit dans un message:
> 
> Joe is accurate, though, if you are looking for the 128-bit security
> edition - that requires a password bundled into the web-based download
> procedure, while the international version is freely available via ftp
> et al.

I believe that has just changed, and that the only "weak" security version 
is the one that the French are required by French law to use.

In any case, the file I d/l'ed from the FTP site passes the Security 
testing at

	http://verisign.netscape.com/advisor/index.html

as 128-bit, etc.


My guess is we can thank Sen. Bill Bradley for this. I'd be willing to bet 
that his strong showing in the polls caused Gore to do some serious market 
research, for the first time, and it revealed strong attitudes against him 
about this NSA stuff, and that's why the Clinton administration changed the
rules. 

Now, what about forcing Louis Freeh to make an official apology to Phil 
Zimmerman, I want to ask? (Before they fire his ass.)


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: pvolsted@image.dk                                 23-Sep-99 22:53:00
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: peter volsted <pvolsted@image.dk>

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hi

> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
 
> I believe that has just changed, and that the only "weak" security version
> is the one that the French are required by French law to use.
> 

I also downloaded via ftp but from Denmark, although it was en_us version.
Testing encryption via:
   https://www.fortify.net/cgi-bin/ssl
I get: RC4-Export cipher, 40 bit key.
> 
> Now, what about forcing Louis Freeh to make an official apology to Phil
> Zimmerman, I want to ask? (Before they fire his ass.)
> 
I most certainly agree on that, but possibly a bit to early.

kind regards

peter
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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 19:59:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37EA3803.8DA1B9F5@datatone.com>, Alan Beagley
<abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com> writes:

>Many of the people on the Compuserve OS/2 forums (fora?) who received and
tried
>Nortaon AntiVirus for OS/2 don't like it, so I never bothered pushing
Symantec to
>send me one.

In hindsight, you shouldn't go by that.  The OS/2 community is
not prepared to accept Symantec and, where the IBM AV CD was 
soothing blue, the NAV CD is yellow-orange and red.

If you need an AV, try it and judge for yourself.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      23-Sep-99 18:03:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <37EA3803.8DA1B9F5@datatone.com>, Alan Beagley
<abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com> writes:

>Many of the people on the Compuserve OS/2 forums (fora?) who received and
tried
>Nortaon AntiVirus for OS/2 don't like it, so I never bothered pushing
Symantec to
>send me one.

My objection to NAV/2 is that it is quite a bit slower than 
IBMAV/2 and sucks a whole lot more resources while it is running. 
When IBMAV/2 was running I hardly noticed any impact on 
performance but with NAV/2 running my system becomes dog-slow. 
But since I can schedule NAV/2 to run at 3AM it's a moot point. 
I'll keep using it despite the resource usage issues.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          23-Sep-99 21:36:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:50:34, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) a Úcrit dans 
un message:

snipt
> 
> We don't know what they committed to IBM for.  They did 
> commit to support OS/2.  And they obviously said they'd put 
> out an OS/2 version of NAV because they publicly committed to 
> one by December 1997.  And it issued, in early February 1998. 
> I got one, a 5 user LAN version, with a database update every
> month.

etc. snipt

My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our operations?


It ain't broke, as long as it can be updated, right? Why throw away 
something that ain't broke?

Or, can someone else take the Symantec update and convert it to IBMAV 
format? I'd pay a subscription fee upfront right now to a freebooter who 
took this on, but maybe Symantec could offer this as an alternative to 
switching to their NAV, which I personally didn't like when I tested it.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             23-Sep-99 13:53:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: loss of COM.SYS on install

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <37EA746E.D087BA3D@ibm.net>, on 09/23/99 
   at 07:41 PM, Paul Jones <prjones@ibm.net> said:

>Now, the file "com.sys" is in the OS2/BOOT  sub-dir, with a file
>size of 18,767 bytes - what do I do, & where do I go from here -
>ANY OFFERS????

>Everything else on the system seems OK - all the right applications
>seem to load - IBM dialer etc - but all I get when I try it is a
>message that COM1 can't be opened - check that it's not in use by
>another programme (no, it

My guess is that this means that during boot com.sys cannot open
your com port so it doesn't install itself. Perhaps something wrong
with your com port hardware configuration?

You might try the SIO drivers to see if they can bypass the problem
in some way and perhaps give you more information on what the
problem is. I think there is a very good chance that it is a
hardware problem. Unfortunately the error messages during boot are
not all that helpful.



-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: bbarry@us.ibm.com                                 23-Sep-99 16:15:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: loss of COM.SYS on install

From: "Barry Bryan" <bbarry@us.ibm.com>

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:41:50 +0100, Paul Jones wrote:

:>"The device driver specified in line xxx was not installed. The line was
:>ignored"

This is a common message on systems such as laptops where the com port has
been disabled, or reassigned to IR.


Barry Bryan
Program Manager, Spinning Device Support


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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   23-Sep-99 18:24:14
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <3wjG3.11$ffd.170533888@news.frii.net>, on 09/23/99 
   at 06:11 AM, thoman@verinet.com said:

>In <37dc0650$1$efzvgf$mr2ice@news.islandnet.com>,
>rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca writes: >
>>I haven't been able to see the beginning of this thread, so maybe I've
>>missed something. Symantec has just announced it's going to include an
>>OS/2 client version in it's next release of the Norton  AntiVirus program.
>>(I saw it in Focus on OS/2 ezine). Why is everybody pissed off at
>>Symantec? This sounds like a positive development.

>        I wonder if you were looking at outdated information.  I
>tiptoed through Focus on OS/2 (http://os2.miningco.com) (doesn't look
>like an  e-zine to me...) and ended up at
>   http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2222963,00.html
>which is from March of 1999.  Way back then, Esther Schindler reported
>that Tim Ristine of Symantec said there would be an "end-user" version
>of Norton Antivirus for OS/2 at an unspecified date.

>        Earlier this week, I decided to try upgrading and so called
>Symantec.  The rep I spoke with courteously took my info and asked that
>I FAX proof of ownership of my 3 copies of IBM AntiVirus.  I FAXed, and
>I received... three copies of Norton AntiVirus having nothing to do
>with OS/2.
>        So, I called again, described my woeful situation to another
>rep, and was told that no sign of a single-user Norton AntiVirus for
>OS/2 could be found among Symantec's offerings.  I described the debate
>in this newsgroup among the "I got it with no trouble" and "Umpteen
>calls to Symantec yielded nothing" camps.  At this, the rep put me on
>hold to go inquire further.  She returned to the line and reported
>being told that Symantec had been issuing single-user upgrades for a
>while but quit due to low volume.  Thus, no go.  She said she would
>refund my money for the botched order (thanks) and asked whether I
>would be interested in a 10-user corporate license (no, thanks).

>        In other news, here are a few info tidbits (true when I checked
>'em on 1999 Sept 22).
>   http://www.indelible-blue.com/datasheet/IBMantivirus
>      Claims OS/2 support is expected in the NAV retail box
>         by August 1999.  That claim has been there for a while...
>   http://www.symantec.com/corporate/ibm/offer.html
>      Closes with:  "For inquiries regarding switching from
>         single-unit copies of IBM AntiVirus to Norton
>         AntiVirus, please call 1(800) 441-7234."
>      Notice it doesn't claim they'll actually do anything for you,
>         it just invites you to ask.  So, if you haven't asked yet,
>         _do_.


I'm looking at a CD labeled "Norton Anti-Virus Solution", Release 3.04,
April 1999, which contains desktop, server and gateway slolutions and
adminstration for Dos, Win blah bla bla, Mac and OS/2, (5.02). I got it
by faxing a copy of the electronic certificate authentication on the
IBMAV I had paid all of $13 for. 

Have a look at the retail CD, and see if you can't use a rebate to get a
freebie. -- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               23-Sep-99 22:47:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: no os/2 client

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

 
> Well, I can see your point - but for that, all they would 
> really have to do is include an updated set of install disks.

We are running out of space on those disks fast <g>. So they
may want to up our bid one by modernizing the installs a.s.a.p.
 
>>...and with java 1.1.8 included instead of an JavaOS2 dir
>> from Java 1.0.2 and with the new Netscape on board right a
>> way as well as the newest patch for TCP/IP and MPTS stack
>> that they want to supply for free to us <g> "at this time" would
>> make it well worth the 20 USD shipping and handling fee, for
>> me at least...
 
> But you can get all that, already from Indelible Blue, or 
> BMT Micro.

Yup, I know. But does a newbie know? Isn't it a little
bit clumsy doing a basic install and then add the newer
components or newer versions (Java 1.1.8 and then rip
out javaOS/2) and watching that you do it in the correct
order (how would a newbie know about that?) to make su-
re you do not backlevel certain DLL's to non-working copies.
As well having to install Feature Installer to be able .. ah you'l
understand I think that it is no way to sell a professional prod.

 
>> îThey might also make it a continuous stream.
 
> I really don't think they want to get into this - it doesn't
> fit with their picture of OS/2's marketing position. I 
> recommend that everyone read Tom Nadeau's take on this: 
> "IBM, FORESTS, and TREES," at his web page at 
> http://www.os2hq.com.

I am almost sure IBM does not want to do that themselves.
So they should set up some OEM / VAR / eSolutions etc. deals
and just deliver the continuous stream of new master disks. Along
side an electronic means of free delivery (for updates!) from their site.

Those who want to deal with the download / install or RSU method
can do so. If that is not a workingr option (we in Europe pay the pho-
ne companies per second connection also for local access!) one can
order the one-disk-do-it-all (Basic & Update) from IBM's business partners 
 
> It is the most succint and well reasoned exposition on the 
> topic that I have come across (including my own <g>).

Tom's analyses tend to be thought-provoking, looking at the issue
at hand from an original point of view, arranging what is known or can
be known in such new ways that they are not only entertaining but also
very worthwile to read I am always very impressed and take the dog for a
long stroll afterwards, so that I can think it over again at a <g> leisure
pace. 

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             23-Sep-99 22:45:13
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: driver needed - HP35480A DAT

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:02:28, djm16@le.ac.uk (Dr D.J. Maconochie) wrote:

> I have ordered BackAgain from BMT micro for <$100 actually $92. Their
no-tape
> version is even less.
> 
> How much is it worht to you to be able to do a full restore after just
booting
> from floppies? Certainly worth $92 bucks to me.

Gee I can do that with my extra removable ATA-66 drive and drive image
for total $210, hardware and software.  And I bet it's a whole lot
faster :-)

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: ppridgen@OregonVOS.net                            23-Sep-99 17:01:18
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: tcp/ip problems

From: Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Jim Backus wrote:

> I've been having connection problems and have been looking at other dialling
> scripts.  I think you'll find the answer in the documentation for the In-Joy
> dialler.  Protocol 2080 is a service not supported by the dialler - not sure

Where might one find this dialler? Oh...I reinstalled Warp, and things
seem to be fine now. It just didn't make sense unless something wasn't
quite right during my second install to the bigger drive.


--
Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
LHS Class of '69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
Do I believe in the Bible? Heck I've SEEN one.

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      24-Sep-99 00:20:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA Was: Why blame IBM?

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <c1.2b8.2SHP3R$0HY@cast.grid.ibm.net>,
  jkovacs@ibm.net (Joe Kovacs) wrote:

<snip>

> >ftp://service5.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/ns40/en_us/comm461.exe
>
> Not so.  You get NS 4.61GA from Software Choice, here and
> drill in...
>
> http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/swchoice/
>
> When you're downloading NS 4.61, you might see that it's
> coming from the Boulder site above.  But that is closed to you
> and you cannot get to that site directly, you must get to it
> through the Software Choice page.

Ummm, not true... Just copy that URL into a browser or use your
favorite FTP program... Hell, you can even get the 128bit secure
version if you're clever enough.

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               23-Sep-99 20:00:17
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: letoured@nospam.net

>I would not agree to that as "irresponsible".   This is very common with
>ISVs that got drag through the mud.   Brad invested significant amount of
>energy and resource on this issue.

In the last analysis, Stardock does not have the capability or the
corporate culture to maintain OS2.  -- A few years back Brad was on CIS
whining like a spoiled 10 year old that OS2 uses weren't buying his
wonderful games and he wasn't going to make anymore. 

From everything I can see now, there is no change in his attitude.   He is
not out for the good of the OS2 users. I for one, would not buy a client
with his name on it. 

Everyone is also ignoring the fact that there is an ongoing anti-trust
trial -- where the main issue is a windows monopoly -- It is not the time
to release or promise to release a new version of OS2. 

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net                              24-Sep-99 02:22:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net (Harald Portig)

Buddy,

According to http://verisign.netscape.com/advisor/index.html I also 
had the 128-bit version, however going to 
https://www.fortify.net/cgi-bin/ssl (see Peter Volsted's post) 
indicated that I had the 40-bit version.  I forthwith downloaded the 
128-bit version from Software Choice,  

http://www-4.ibm.com/software/os/warp/netscape/ns461.html

or

http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/ns40xr/f-feat.htm

and both verisign and fortify come up with the same answer: 128-bit.  
It appears that verisign is not always accurate!

The downloaded filenames were (after applying zip -o):

9-16-99  6:39p    10,015,456      0 a---  comm461.exe    (40-bit)
9-16-99  6:43p    10,015,428      0 a---  comm46xr.exe  (128-bit)

Actually, inside Communicator, doing Help-About Communicator... 
indicates the correct security state of the program.

Regards, Harald Portig
Remove the letters NOSPAM from my address to reply.

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:14:10, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
Donnelly) wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:34:18, "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net> a 
> Úcrit dans un message:
> > 
> > Joe is accurate, though, if you are looking for the 128-bit security
> > edition - that requires a password bundled into the web-based download
> > procedure, while the international version is freely available via ftp
> > et al.
> 
> I believe that has just changed, and that the only "weak" security version 
> is the one that the French are required by French law to use.
> 
> In any case, the file I d/l'ed from the FTP site passes the Security 
> testing at
> 
> 	http://verisign.netscape.com/advisor/index.html
> 
> as 128-bit, etc.
> 

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                23-Sep-99 22:35:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:03
Subj: Re: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

letoured@nospam.net said:

>Everyone is also ignoring the fact that there is an ongoing anti-trust trial

Oh, I don't think anybody is ignoring anything.  I think a lot of us are just
seeing it as the latest in a very long line of excuses.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: thoman@verinet.com                                24-Sep-99 02:20:01
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zyIkwsfcyWUY@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>
>My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
>simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
>continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our operations?

        All things come to an end, especially those that don't generate
revenue and do inflict cost.  The costs in this type of case could grow,
as further development of NAV could require continual adjustments in
methods of translating from stuff for NAV to stuff for IBM AV, even as 
knowledge of IBM AV at Symantec wanes due to disuse.  
        In addition, the degree of protection afforded by an antivirus 
program slowly degrades in a "signature updates only" situation, since 
means of detecting previously unknown threats don't get upgraded and 
repair capability for whatever's come along recently doesn't get added.  
Not a disastrous situation, but not something a vendor is going to be 
eager to perpetuate.

        On the (temporarily) good side, Symantec continues to provide
IBM AV signature updates at
   http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ibm/index.html
for those who'd like 'em (me, for instance).  Tip:  in WebExplorer, 
the link to download the update doesn't look like anything other 
than just more text, but there really is a link.  Put your mouse
cursor over the second mention of the current version number and 
the status line should show that you can get a *.zip file by 
clicking.  
        If you follow the "Please Read:..." link near the top of the 
page and then search for "OS/2" you'll find mention that this will 
continue through December of 1999.  So... unless that deadline gets
extended there's not an excessive amount of time left for things
to get sorted out.


-----
Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: thoman@verinet.com                                24-Sep-99 01:48:00
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <c1.2b8.2SHrSp$0Hd@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>
>So they scrambled to find out.  They sent every registered 
>user a couple of letters to ask. They didn't look too good 
>during that process. When they found out, though, they 
>continued that level of service in spades.  And in hindsight, 
>the very first thing they did upon acquiring the product was 
>give every IBM AV user on their list a goodwill valuable copy 
>of stock NAV, to say hello.  This was (a)very nice and (b)ill 
>received because the appalled recipients were pure OS/2 users 
>and the darn thing had everything but any OS/2 on it.

        There's something amiss here.  I was a registered user
of IBM AV prior to the sale.  I know IBM had my address because
they mailed me the next version of IBM AV (3.0.1) in return for
registering.  While I may have received a letter announcing 
the changeover (though I can't find one and generally keep 
such things...) I definitely never received any goodwill copy 
of NAV (or anything else).
        Anybody else out there who can corroborate this?

>I got one, a 5 user LAN version, with a database update every
>month.  The product is a CD with versions of NAV for every OS,
>dozens of them listed in fine print inside, including OS/2.

        You are, perhaps to your surprise, restating part of 
the problem:  yes, Symantec has NAV for OS/2 readily available
for corporate users (present minimum offer is 10 licenses...
hundreds of dollars).  However, they have specifically stated
to me that there is NOTHING available in the way of a single-user
license.  Despite long-ago indications that OS/2 would simply
be added to the OS's supported in the retail package, that
has not happened.  NAV 2000 (6.0) is on store shelves, with
nary a hint of OS/2 mentioned anywhere on the box.  Symantec
has apparently abandoned any intent to support single-license
requests for NAV for OS/2.  Anyone who would care to disprove
that conclusion will garner praise and gratitude for doing
so.

>I say
>latch on to the information that Symantec will issue a single
>user version, be patient and follow through cheerfully.

        What information?  I have asked for any _recent_ 
statement of such intent and seen none.  The one claim
of that nature earlier in this thread omitted any specific
source citation, so I tried to track it down as best I
could and found an article from March of 1999 that seems
to no longer hold water.
        If you know of any confirmation that a single-user
version has not been abandoned, please (please!) post a
citation so that I and others can go look.


-----
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              solely irresponsible for them.

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   24-Sep-99 01:43:16
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zyIkwsfcyWUY@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:50:34, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs) a Úcrit dans 
>un message:

>My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
>simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
>continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our operations?

I'm sure that Symantec can't do that because they cannot touch
the IBM trademark in any way, shape, form or reference and 
that would be doing so.  Or something like that.

Why don't you suggest it to them?  I wrote them a letter and 
they responded nicely.

>Or, can someone else take the Symantec update and convert it to IBMAV 
>format? I'd pay a subscription fee upfront right now to a freebooter who 
>took this on, but maybe Symantec could offer this as an alternative to 
>switching to their NAV, which I personally didn't like when I tested it.

That's a real good idea, all except for the 'freebooter' 
expecting me to trust his antivirus files...

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: thoman@verinet.com                                24-Sep-99 02:25:02
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: thoman@verinet.com

In <37eaa89d$2$ugenivf$mr2ice@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, htravis@ibm.net (Harry
Travis) writes:
>
>I'm looking at a CD labeled "Norton Anti-Virus Solution", Release 3.04,
>April 1999, which contains desktop, server and gateway slolutions and
>adminstration for Dos, Win blah bla bla, Mac and OS/2, (5.02). I got it
>by faxing a copy of the electronic certificate authentication on the
>IBMAV I had paid all of $13 for. 
>
>Have a look at the retail CD, and see if you can't use a rebate to get a
>freebie. -- 

        The Norton AntiVirus Solutions CD is the corporate
license product that Symantec will happily sell me a 10-license 
pack of for hundreds of dollars.  I've seen claims that's what 
they were sending out for single-user upgrades earlier.
        As I described, I've spoken with them this week
and they've specifically stated that they no longer have 
anything to offer in the way of a single-user purchase. 
Evidence to the contrary invited and welcome.

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From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca                           23-Sep-99 21:19:14
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca

In <3wjG3.11$ffd.170533888@news.frii.net>, on 09/23/99 
   at 06:11 AM, thoman@verinet.com said:

>In <37dc0650$1$efzvgf$mr2ice@news.islandnet.com>, rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca
>writes: >
>>I haven't been able to see the beginning of this thread, so maybe I've
>>missed something. Symantec has just announced it's going to include an
>>OS/2 client version in it's next release of the Norton  AntiVirus program.
>>(I saw it in Focus on OS/2 ezine). Why is everybody pissed off at
>>Symantec? This sounds like a positive development.

>        I wonder if you were looking at outdated information.  I tiptoed
>through Focus on OS/2 (http://os2.miningco.com) (doesn't look like an 
>e-zine to me...) and ended up at
>   http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2222963,00.html which
>is from March of 1999.  Way back then, Esther Schindler reported that Tim
>Ristine of Symantec said there would be an "end-user" version of Norton
>Antivirus for OS/2 at an unspecified date.

I think you are right. I went back and checked and that date was on the
story. I guess I didn't notice the date, and just remembered the article
since i was glad to see it. Sorry if I threw anyone off track.

Bob.

>-----
>Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
>              solely irresponsible for them.

-- 
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rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca
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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      24-Sep-99 03:02:28
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn [TeleKabel] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ > See your own post
(<BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-Ro3sOdYmhrSB@n449.telekabel.euronet.nl>)
¯ > and if you don't call that a poor flame or trolling on your part I think
you
¯ > have some poor judgement on such things.
»
¯ Perhaps, if you say so. But I still don't see any flaming of you. Just an
observation
¯ that Timmy never attacked you while you told us there that you do not use
OS/2. So,
¯ if you would say that I was flaming Timmy then I would thing you are right,
but you ... no.

I was very seriously interested in seeing a new SMP enabled client and would
have gladly paid (if not way too expensive) and added it in addition to the
current operating systems I use and experiment with (different versions of NT
and Unices). 

After always having looking forward to try the W5 SMP client (even if I'm as I
said very happy with both NT and FreeBSD, I still think OS/2 has some really
great technology not available in any other operating systems available) I
here:

"Oh, <g> that must be be-
cause you are not an OS/2 user at all, not even partially, just here for the
fun."

I take that as a pure personal flame and attack, with a very bad "Team OS/2"
taste over it.

All my comments was just a short personal view point on how I took the news
that the new client wasn't to be released from SD (sad, but not any disaster
for either my own SMP machine or currentusers/customers of OS/2 in large as
IBM is till supporting it, and still releasing fix packs for it).

¯ As I said before this post of me was not directed against you. 

Sorry, but I didn't see it (and still can't see it) that way.
 
¯ I do not find "erroneous and alos insulting comments" about you in my
original post.

You claimed that I didn't use OS/2 at all, and that I had no (serious)
interest to be in this group, which is completely false as it's part of my job
even if it currently doesn't run at any of my personal machine (neither my
notebook or my SMP desktop). 

This isn't any different from some users who maybe uses OS/2 on their home
machines, but perhaps Linux, NT, Win95, Solaris, MacOS (or whatever) at their
work machines.

If you had claimed that either  "your not 100% OS/2 user on all computers you
use all the time" or "you currently hasn't OS/2 running on your personal
machine at home" (which I stated clearly myself without hiding it) you would
have been entirely correct.

I think you should be more careful with your flames and the things you claim
about people (especially without any basis for those), and realize that for
many people working with computers it's not many who will run one (1) single
operating systems on all machines they use or get in contact with (regardless
if it's OS/2, NT or Linux, etc). 

In many cases you also can't control to 100% and decide alone what systems you
are going to use or work with, and more importantly, no operating system is
perfect in all aspects and in all situations (and I also don't think that will
ever happen).
 
¯ >> An observation which could only be fup-ed by attaching it to your post,
¯ >>which I correctly did. Your suggestion that I falsely quoted you is
despicable.
¯ 
¯ > Please re-read my post before yet again claiming things which isn't true.
I
¯ > said that your references in your headers doesn't match the quoted
contents.
¯ 
¯ As I said above, the referencing in my headers may have gone wrong but
without

Sorry, but you didn't say that above. 

You said "Your suggestion that I falsely quoted you is despicable" which I
took issue with as it, besides looking as a yet another flame, also was
completely false (as I just simply noted that the references didn't match the
contents and that you should check your news reader).

I have never claimed (as you said above) that the quotes of me was false.

¯ > I don't say (or even think) that it's intentional done by you, just that
you
¯ > perhaps should change to a working news reader or go over it's settings.
¯ 
¯ Thanks, as said it is unintentional. I did not hear about problems with that 
in
¯ ProNews Build 1.50 Beta 1 so I assume the problem was introduced later on.
¯ If anyone knows about this kind of problems in ProNews please let it be
heard.

No, problem. It's not *that* big deal. It started just a small 1 or 2 line
side note comment to make you aware of it, and now you seems to know. It
messed up and broke the threading in both my news reader (Agent) and also on
Deja News, but at least right now your news reader seems to behave properly
and have the right references in it's headers.

The only suggestion I can give is that if 1.5 isn't latest version of it, it
could be a good idea to try to upgrade to a newer one (maybe they have fixed
the bug in more recent releases).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    24-Sep-99 02:16:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: OS/2 & Banking.

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Joe Kovacs (jkovacs@ibm.net) wrote:

: Why would the bank install v4, that is, why don't they 
: continue to use the v2.1 which is working well for them? 
: Heck, it seems to me the only advantage of v4 is in The Voice.

	OS/2 v2.1 is not Y2K compliant perhaps?  This is a bank we are talking 
about afterall.
	I suspect that the banks that were using OS/2 2.x have probably 
upgraded to Warp 4 by now whereas the one's still running Warp 3  
probably haven't bothered changing, I mean what would be the point since 
a recent fixpak ensures Y2K for it.

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From: JNiffen@IBM.Net                                   23-Sep-99 21:31:25
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:04
Subj: Re: Shadow question

From: JNiffen <JNiffen@IBM.Net>

John E. Jones wrote:
> 
> I am new to OS/2(3.0), and I need some help with shadows. Coming from Win9x,
> I try to relate these to shortcuts, but they do not appear to be the same.
> First, how do you know which icon is a shadow, and which one it not? or does
> it matter? If you delete either one, will the other get deleted also? If yes
> to the previous question, then how do you just get rid of one of them?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> John

The major thing to notice is if you create a two shortcuts of a folder
on Win9X.  Add a few files to one of them, the new files will not be the
the other shortcut.  Very, Very irritating.

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   24-Sep-99 04:08:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:17
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <c1.2b8.2SHrSp$0Hd@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>In <3wjG3.11$ffd.170533888@news.frii.net>, thoman@verinet.com writes:
>>In <37dc0650$1$efzvgf$mr2ice@news.islandnet.com>, rsmits@curmudgeon.bc.ca
writes:

>  They did 
>commit to support OS/2.  And they obviously said they'd put 
>out an OS/2 version of NAV because they publicly committed to 
>one by December 1997.  And it issued, in early February 1998. 
>I got one, a 5 user LAN version, with a database update every
>month.  

As others have pointed out, this should be 1998 and 1999. 
Time flies.  Or drags.  Whichever.   :-)


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada




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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              23-Sep-99 21:42:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:17
Subj: Re: loss of COM.SYS on install

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Paul Jones wrote:
> 18,767 bytes - what do I do, & where do I go from here - ANY OFFERS????
> 
> Everything else on the system seems OK - all the right applications seem to
> load - IBM dialer etc - but all I get when I try it is a message that COM1
> can't be opened - check that it's not in use by another programme (no, it
> isn't!) or my modem is configured as a FAX-modem?????

You said you can use windows (Windows?) to access the 'net. Is this on
the same machine? If not, then someone's suggestion that your COM ports
are misconfigured is probably correct. Your BIOS may have decided to
dish up non-standard IRQs and addresses for your COM ports which means
you'll have endless joy getting it sorted out, knowing how bloody
awkward the damnable plug'n'die can be (oh give me jumpers and dip
switches!). See if you can force your BIOS to stick the things in the
usual places.

Graham.

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 24-Sep-99 03:23:26
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:17
Subj: Re: loss of COM.SYS on install

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37EA746E.D087BA3D@ibm.net>, Paul Jones <prjones@ibm.net> writes:

>Graham, thanks for the suggestion - I think that I was slightly less than
>specific than I might have been in my original post.
>
>What I SHOULD have said WAS:
>
snipped problems
>
>Paul Jones.
>
my memory isn't too good, but from your earlier post your com.sys line 
looked funny -- and I've made most of the possible com.sys errors, so . . .

first try without the extra address/irq feature - 

second, this works here, is "DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\COM.SYS (3,3E8,4)"
I don't remember seeing the paranthesis in yours ? Also, the space
between the statement and the ( . . . ) is important.

do you have "DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS" ? Shouldn't need it,
but . . .? vaguely remember some troubles without, long ago

there are several com.sys versions. newer is definitely better than older

SIO.SYS was way better here, faster and more configurable, would see
com three where the IBM one would not - but does NOT work in SMP.
SIO should add this to their readme, would have saved me a lot of grief.

good luck, the com thing can be very aggravating. 

>
----------------------------------------------------------
H„rad ’ngravv†rd
Windows NT - the Ornithopter of Operating Systems
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From: MasterBlaster2000@hotmail.com                     23-Sep-99 21:16:14
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:17
Subj: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: "Master Blaster" <MasterBlaster2000@hotmail.com>

I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he has not been
able to find a compatible modem to function with OS/2.  Unbelievable, but
even IBM couldn't provide him with one.  :(

Please provide advice on what to purchase.

--
MasterBlaster






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From: jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca                24-Sep-99 05:19:05
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: Judgement Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: jack.troughton@nospam.videotron.ca (Jack Troughton)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:57:57, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason 
Bowen) wrote:

êIn article <37e66cca.1096028@news.omen.net.au>, Mooo <zayne@omen.com.au>
wrote:
ê>bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen) wrote:
Û
êTell me about Warp 4 out of the box on a 10 gig hard drive.
êI just couldn't get 1024x768 at 75 hz, only 43 interlaced on a S3 Trio64v+
êbased card.  That was the last straw for me.

Jason, including download it takes maybe twenty minutes.  If you have 
to do a lot, it takes a lot less time per machine... BFD.

êWhy should you have to do this?  You are letting IBM dictate to you what
êyou should and shouldn't own hardware wise?

Like new versions of windows don't?  My P200/64MB RAM is still 
effective with warp... try that with win2k.

ê>I don't consider patching the boot diskettes much of a hassle as far
ê>as installation goes.
Û
êYeah most new users wouldn't mind doing that.  Apparently IBM doesn't care
êeither as they won't provide a new updated client.  That sure says a lot
êto the marketplace.

New home users, yes.  Business users (ie - PHBs) can't do win95 
either; they hire people like me to do it for them.  Hell, I've 
installed a lot of windows for home users that couldn't handle it 
either.  IBM doesn't care about home users because they cost too much.

Depends on your priorities.  For me, games are not a priority.  If 
games are a priority, don't use warp.

But then, you should know this.  You've used warp for years, IIRC.

Jack Troughton   ICQ:7494149
http://jakesplace.dhs.org
jack.troughton at videotron.ca
jake at jakesplace.dhs.org
MontrÚal PQ Canada

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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   24-Sep-99 00:27:01
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <lLAG3.31$ffd.170534400@news.frii.net>, on 09/24/99 
   at 01:48 AM, thoman@verinet.com said:

>In <c1.2b8.2SHrSp$0Hd@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe
>Kovacs) writes: >
>>So they scrambled to find out.  They sent every registered 
>>user a couple of letters to ask. They didn't look too good 
>>during that process. When they found out, though, they 
>>continued that level of service in spades.  And in hindsight, 
>>the very first thing they did upon acquiring the product was 
>>give every IBM AV user on their list a goodwill valuable copy 
>>of stock NAV, to say hello.  This was (a)very nice and (b)ill 
>>received because the appalled recipients were pure OS/2 users 
>>and the darn thing had everything but any OS/2 on it.

>        There's something amiss here.  I was a registered user of IBM
>AV prior to the sale.  I know IBM had my address because they mailed me
>the next version of IBM AV (3.0.1) in return for registering.  While I
>may have received a letter announcing  the changeover (though I can't
>find one and generally keep  such things...) I definitely never
>received any goodwill copy  of NAV (or anything else).
>        Anybody else out there who can corroborate this?

>>I got one, a 5 user LAN version, with a database update every
>>month.  The product is a CD with versions of NAV for every OS,
>>dozens of them listed in fine print inside, including OS/2.

>        You are, perhaps to your surprise, restating part of  the
>problem:  yes, Symantec has NAV for OS/2 readily available for
>corporate users (present minimum offer is 10 licenses... hundreds of
>dollars).  However, they have specifically stated to me that there is
>NOTHING available in the way of a single-user license.  Despite
>long-ago indications that OS/2 would simply be added to the OS's
>supported in the retail package, that has not happened.  NAV 2000 (6.0)
>is on store shelves, with nary a hint of OS/2 mentioned anywhere on the
>box.  Symantec has apparently abandoned any intent to support
>single-license requests for NAV for OS/2.  Anyone who would care to
>disprove that conclusion will garner praise and gratitude for doing so.

>>I say
>>latch on to the information that Symantec will issue a single
>>user version, be patient and follow through cheerfully.

>        What information?  I have asked for any _recent_ 
>statement of such intent and seen none.  The one claim
>of that nature earlier in this thread omitted any specific source
>citation, so I tried to track it down as best I could and found an
>article from March of 1999 that seems to no longer hold water.
>        If you know of any confirmation that a single-user version has
>not been abandoned, please (please!) post a
>citation so that I and others can go look.

To quote the old outlaw and sole survivor from the support group in
Pechinpa's masterpiece "They, they, who the hell is they?"

I'm not a corporate user, and somebody at Symantec --it was "Troy", not
to be confused with T-Roy from "Toyland", the excellent OS/2 shareware
game-- served me, without charge.

 Is there a version 6 for OS/2.? Do I care any more than I do that I'm
too old and in the wrong place to suckle from a new breed of mothers
with 3 breasts? No, 2 was more than enough. And now I use OS/2, which is
pretty disease free, and my AV protection don't need more stinkin'
"features." And I can live without envy that Symantec, wetnurse and
asswiper to Wintel for the last decade,loves Winny. Fact is, Winny needs
more love, attention, innoculation, protection.

Check reality in OS/2 land, where upgrades are appreciated in the second
place to the right of the decimal. If you can't keep a virus from
getting it on with your computer, might it be better to turn it off? (Or
switch to  BE, where virus writers must have the minds and temperments
of snipers, not mass-murderers). 

-- 
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DemostiX
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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 24-Sep-99 05:29:22
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <ndBG3.32$ffd.170534400@news.frii.net>, thoman@verinet.com writes:
>In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zyIkwsfcyWUY@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>>
>>My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
>>simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
>>continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our operations?
>
>        All things come to an end, especially those that don't generate
>revenue and do inflict cost.  The costs in this type of case could grow,
>as further development of NAV could require continual adjustments in
>methods of translating from stuff for NAV to stuff for IBM AV, even as 
>knowledge of IBM AV at Symantec wanes due to disuse.  

okay, dumb question : if Symantec didn't want to continue the IBM
product, why did they buy it ? Up until that time, all the reports of
IBM's anti-virus technology were enthusiastic and glowing - - then
Symantec buys it, only to fade it away and substitute NAV ?  at this
point, my small mind can only contemplate Kim's saying - 'two faces
and three daggers.' I suppose some unforseen technicality arose *after* 
the purchase which keeps Symantec from honouring its commitments ? 


>-----
>Greg Thoman:  The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and I am 
>              solely irresponsible for them.
>


--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               23-Sep-99 22:44:12
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:50:25 -0700, Graham C. Norris wrote:

>This real does sound like the kiss of death. It is quite clear from
>this, and the official IBM information about Netscape 4.61, that IBM are
>actively working to migrate users off OS/2. This message puts a date on
>it: the end of 2002. 

No.  That's not what it said.   In fact, it appears another year of funding
was secured because prior information pointed to end of 2001.

Who knows what happens after that.   It goes in funding cycles.

>This includes migrating WSOD off OS/2.
>

That's absurb.




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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              23-Sep-99 21:50:12
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

This real does sound like the kiss of death. It is quite clear from
this, and the official IBM information about Netscape 4.61, that IBM are
actively working to migrate users off OS/2. This message puts a date on
it: the end of 2002. This includes migrating WSOD off OS/2.

This gives us over three years of supported OS/2 use, however the
statement also makes it clear that new hardware support will be limted.

This sounds to me like the nearest we'll get to an official confirmation
from IBM that what Brad Wardell has said is essential correct.

Anyone know exactly what "Application Framework" really is? Sounds
suspciously like SAA2000 to me!

Graham.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              23-Sep-99 22:01:14
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Master Blaster wrote:
> I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he has not been
> able to find a compatible modem to function with OS/2.  Unbelievable, but
> even IBM couldn't provide him with one.  :(
> 
> Please provide advice on what to purchase.

Any modem which lives outside the machine on a COM port will work.
Modems which live inside may be lose-modems (aka Win-modems) which won't
work are aren't always easy to differentiate from a real modem
(especially from the packaging). Real modems cost more than lose-modems.
USB modems may work depending on whether the motherboard chipset is
supported. For safety buy a regular external modem.

Graham.

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 24-Sep-99 04:41:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fiir1a2.pminews@news.deltanet.com>, "Kim 
Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> writes:
>
>"Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?"

we all are - only difference is which slaughterhouse we choose.
Would you rather be shot or smacked in the head with a club, sir ?

If you'd prefer to be "assisted in your migration," head on over to the
IBM abbatoir

for those who wear rose-coloured glasses, the Microsoft Showers 2000
might be the better choice

either way, the wolves are discussing the best possible final Solutions
for us sheep . . . err, customers.

(odd that certain corporations would take such satisfaction in that 
term, "solution")

>Kim Cheung
>


gan bei !
ming tian wo men si le

--
H„rad ’ngravv†rd

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             23-Sep-99 22:10:07
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: bstephan@redshift.com

Just about any "real" modem will work as long as it is not one of
those brain dead "win" modems. Best results are often had with
modems that have jumpers to make the settings instead of relying on
plug and play. Almost any external modem will work (because they do
not make external winmodems) as long as he has a free com port to
plug it into. That is probably the most reliable way to go, but OS/2
does not require any special type of modem. Just stay away from the
"win" variety is the main requirement.


In <7setq1$jh4$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, on 09/23/99 
   at 09:16 PM, "Master Blaster" <MasterBlaster2000@hotmail.com>
said:

>I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he has
>not been able to find a compatible modem to function with OS/2. 
>Unbelievable, but even IBM couldn't provide him with one.  :(

>Please provide advice on what to purchase.

>--
>MasterBlaster







-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           24-Sep-99 02:12:13
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:36:18
Subj: Re: Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Kim Cheung wrote:
> 
> As a principal in both TouchVoice, a Computer Telephony Integration
> (CTI) application developer and marketer, and Serenity Systems, a
> marketing and channel development organization, I feel obliged to
> comment on the IBM - Stardock decision and Mr. Brad Wardell's recent
> remarks.
> 
> First, I agree and support Mr. Bob St.John's remarks regarding Serenity
> Systems and Managed Client(r) product positioning which appeared here,
> on Warpcast, on Monday, September 20
> (http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4111.html). That includes exploring
> the licensing of a client product based on the Warp Server for
> e.business product. We are currently working to resolve product and
> technical issues related to this effort - which we shall refer to as:
> "Project eStation".
> 

[***Snip!!!***]

> 
> TouchVoice has never stood still and is not standing still today. We
> still see OS/2 as our flagship OS because of the business solutions it
> enables. Serenity Systems makes new contacts every week, which
> represent new relationships, new beginnings. Not the end.
> 
> I feel compelled to be on record with what I believe is a positive,
> accurate, and realistic business message.
> 
> Kim Cheung

Sorry to trim so much.

I think that probably both Stardock and TouchVoice/Serenity are reacting
based on the markets which they address. Stardock's general product
range aims to more of a SOHO area and particularly gaming with certain
products, which IBM no longer treats as a market it wishes to address.
TouchVoice/Serenity are far more directed to the business and e-commerce
clients which IBM is focussed on. It is far easier to adjust the
supported platform(s) as Stardock has been doing by increasing its work
on Windows directed products, than it is to change product lines
significantly to try to market to the bulk of the current target market
for the o/s.

I use OS/2 to manage my filesystems, handle my correspondence, and for
Java and HTML development. So long as the Java subsystem and the browser
are up-to-date, it is very usable for me. I switch to NT for a few Win32
apps that at times are the only viable choices for handling certain
tasks, and any major C/C++ programming is done first on Linux (which
compiles fastest with the tools at my current disposal), and then if
necessary, gets moved to NT and Visual(tm) C++ for a gui interface to be
fitted on the logic if it must run on a Windows platform. Linux gets
used for some tasks, such as when I need to work directly on a client's
server (I hook up a lan to the computer of the chap in the apartment
across the hall then and work through his cable modem - X windows is
almost passable in a client/server context to run maintenance apps in
that situation) or need to review documentation around some
configuration problems a client has encountered.

As a result, OS/2 will remain my primary desktop for the foreseeable
future, but I suspect that as Linux improves in file management and Java
JDK, I may well be moving to at least XFree86/OS2 and separate networked
boxes, but not likely a full move to Linux (not until WPS has a serious
rival there) as *the* desktop o/s. OS/2 just does too many jobs too well
for me compared to my other installed o/ses to walk away - I just don't
develop to it (outside of developing Java or emx compatible code) as I
don't have a client base that would fall into that market as one which
IBM would support from an o/s perspective. That is the view now taken by
Stardock - they still like the o/s, but there is not a current vision
from IBM to build the OS/2 market to which the Stardock products were
directed.

-- 

============================================================
To respond via e-mail - remove the "go-away-spammers"
portion of the Reply to: value.

Mark L. Kahnt, C.P. Box 1263, Kingston, Ontario   K7L 4Y8
Voix:        (613) 531-8767   Cellulaire: (613) 539-0935
Telecopieur: (613) 531-8684   Email: kahnt@adan.kingston.net

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From: no@spam.com                                       24-Sep-99 21:19:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: "nospam" <no@spam.com>

Kim Cheung <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> wrote in message
news:xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fiiijo0.pminews@news.deltanet.com...
> On 23 Sep 1999 14:59:52 GMT, rj friedman wrote:
>
> >Brad Wardell's irresponsible
> >declaration that OS/2 was dead because of that decision.
>
> I would not agree to that as "irresponsible".   This is very common with
ISVs
> that got drag through the mud.   Brad invested significant amount of
energy
> and resource on this issue.
>
> He got "burnt" - beyond recognition: if I may add.
>
> Since you spent some time in Taiwan, you should understand the Chinese
pharse
> of "Two faces and three daggers".   He got stabed by that third dagger.
>
Not neccessarily, his company stood to make a considerable profit from a
client if the bid was succesful, and also
he would not have released od 2.0 if he was going to make a loss.  In
business you make calculated decisions if it goes your way great if not you
move on, that's what he has done developing win32 software.
The fact of the matter is that Brad's opinion is just that an opinion he has
no authority on Warp product and as far as his
credibility is concerned well judge for yourself.  Read his SDS online
September Issue newsletter.

stan...


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From: dpeterso@halcyon.com                              24-Sep-99 05:48:09
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: Dennis Peterson <dpeterso@halcyon.com>

That's the way I remember it too.

Jason Bowen wrote:
> 
> Except you're being dishonest,  Brad didn't declare OS/2 dead, he repeated
> what everybody knows, IBM won't commit to a new client.
> 
> In article <M3mPvLdzxX1t-pn2-ZCJRIdDU6FVd@localhost>,
> rj friedman <rjf@yyycomasia.com> wrote:
> >I came across an article "IBM, Forests, and Trees," at Tom
> >Nadeau's OS/2 Headquarters site (http://ww.os2hq.com) that
> >is a MUST READ for any OS/2 user concerned with the future
> >of OS/2 in the aftermath of IBM's decision that they didn't
> >want Stardock as a third party distributor of their OS/2
> >operating system, and Brad Wardell's irresponsible
> >declaration that OS/2 was dead because of that decision.
> >
> >IMO, it is the most succint, clear, and cogent, exposition
> >of the topic that I have seen yet (including my own <g>).
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________
> >
> >[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it.
> >rj friedman          Team ABW
> >Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com
> >
> >To send email - remove the `yyy'
> >________________________________________________________
> >


-- 

dp --

                 Support Eddie Kieger III at http://eddiekieger.com

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From: bd83h@bedford.waii.com                            24-Sep-99 13:54:20
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: Steve Drewell <bd83h@bedford.waii.com>

On 24 Sep 1999, rj friedman wrote:

î I believe that it has `changed' but the change hasn't gone 
î through the mill as yet. In any event, I was not allowed to 
î dl the strong encrypted version. The message on the web page
î that denied me the dl stated that the strong version was 
î only available for dl to the US of A and Canada.

I'm not in the USA or Canada and found access to the 128-bit version
extremely simple. A certain piece of software which is freely available to
everyone provided me with the full url of the file, including the userid
and password required. Of course, being an honest chap, I didn't download
a copy of the file :-)

Steve

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From: rickdb@mc.net                                     24-Sep-99 07:58:19
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Smartmedia/PCMCIA problem

From: "Rick Blankenbaker" <rickdb@mc.net>

I've installed an SCM Swapbox ISA PCMCIA reader in my Warp 4 FP11 FIC PA-2013
machine to let me read Smartmedia cards (using a PCMCIA adapter).  Everything
appeared to install correctly; both card slots are recognized and a drive
letter is assigned when I use the PCMCIA Plug 'n Play utility in my System
Setup folder.  However, when I try to read the card, I get "Drive is not
formatted correctly".  This card works fine in my Olympus D220L camera--as do
my other cards which return the same error.  Has anyone seen this, and, if
so, how did you resolve it?

Rick Blankenbaker
rick at blankenbaker.net
--------------------------------------------------
Posted with PMINews and OS/2
--------------------------------------------------


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From: cytan@fnal.gov                                    24-Sep-99 13:50:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 10:53:13
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problems

From: cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan)

In message <Ej0w7lFo08Zw-pn2-KFURpeUXcQhM@pluto.dwparsons.dialin.t-online.de>
- dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons) writes:
:>
:>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:24:44, cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan) wrote:
:>
:>> 
:>> Success at last!!!!! After installing NS4.6gamma, I am able to 
:>> install the entire java 1.1.8 distribution (runtime, ddk,
:>> swing etc.)
:>> 
:>> My thanks to all who tried to help me get this piece of
:>> software installed.
:>> 
:>> 
:>> Cheng-Yang Tan
:>> cytan@fnal.gov
:>> 
:>
:>I'm pleased to read that you have gotten it working.
:>
:>Out of curiosity, did you do anything different other
:>than just installing the GA version?
:>
:>-- 
:>Dave
:>

No, the only thing I did was to install the NS4.6gamma and nothing else.

Cheng-Yang Tan


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                24-Sep-99 05:28:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:14:10, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com 
(Buddy Donnelly) wrote:


îI believe that has just changed, and that the only "weak" security version 
îis the one that the French are required by French law to use....

îMy guess is we can thank Sen. Bill Bradley for this. I'd be willing to bet 
îthat his strong showing in the polls caused Gore to do some serious market 
îresearch, for the first time, and it revealed strong attitudes against him 
îabout this NSA stuff, and that's why the Clinton administration changed the
îrules. 

I believe that it has `changed' but the change hasn't gone 
through the mill as yet. In any event, I was not allowed to 
dl the strong encrypted version. The message on the web page
that denied me the dl stated that the strong version was 
only available for dl to the US of A and Canada.



________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: dwparsons@t-online.de                             24-Sep-99 07:29:24
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Java 1.1.8 install problems

From: dwparsons@t-online.de (Dave Parsons)

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:24:44, cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan) wrote:

> 
> Success at last!!!!! After installing NS4.6gamma, I am able to 
> install the entire java 1.1.8 distribution (runtime, ddk,
> swing etc.)
> 
> My thanks to all who tried to help me get this piece of
> software installed.
> 
> 
> Cheng-Yang Tan
> cytan@fnal.gov
> 

I'm pleased to read that you have gotten it working.

Out of curiosity, did you do anything different other
than just installing the GA version?

-- 
Dave

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From: pcguido@ibm.net                                   24-Sep-99 05:38:01
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: pcguido@ibm.net

In <j8v53oHpvy8c092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
|Here in comp.os.os2.misc, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)
|spake unto us, saying:
|
||I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
||Warp on new hardware.
|
|Feh.  Real machines use SCSI.	:-)
|
|--
|	-Rich Steiner  >>>--->	rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
|	  OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
|	   + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
|				  "Look at all the indians!" - G. Custer

Baby Bowen should grow up and join the real world. I had to patch
the NT 4 install to use my 2940u2w _at_all_ . OS/2 OTOH, just had
to be patched to see the whole 9gb on all of my disks. Linux is the
only one that recognized the 2940u2w without coertion; but, lilo
didn't like the size of the disks, and to be coaxed into finding
the right place to put the boot loader.

Perhaps he should stick to Nintendo.

:) Guido

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Sep-99 06:49:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: NS 4.61GA  Was: Why blame IBM?

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:22:04, pNoOrStPiAgM@ibm.net (Harald Portig) a Úcrit 
dans un message:

> Buddy,
> 
> According to http://verisign.netscape.com/advisor/index.html I also 
> had the 128-bit version, however going to 
> https://www.fortify.net/cgi-bin/ssl (see Peter Volsted's post) 
> indicated that I had the 40-bit version.  

This one says 40-bits, too.


>I forthwith downloaded the 
> 128-bit version from Software Choice,  
> 
> http://www-4.ibm.com/software/os/warp/netscape/ns461.html
> 
> or
> 
> http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/ns40xr/f-feat.htm

I actually got mine from the Software Choice site but maybe should have 
looked a bit further for a choice of security. I don't think I was given 
one.


> 
> and both verisign and fortify come up with the same answer: 128-bit.  
> It appears that verisign is not always accurate!
> 
> The downloaded filenames were (after applying zip -o):
> 
> 9-16-99  6:39p    10,015,456      0 a---  comm461.exe    (40-bit)

This appears to be the same version for FTP at the peak1 site.

> 9-16-99  6:43p    10,015,428      0 a---  comm46xr.exe  (128-bit)
> 
> Actually, inside Communicator, doing Help-About Communicator... 
> indicates the correct security state of the program.

Thanks for the headsup.

> 
> Regards, Harald Portig
> Remove the letters NOSPAM from my address to reply.
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:14:10, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
> Donnelly) wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:34:18, "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net> a 
> > Úcrit dans un message:
> > > 
> > > Joe is accurate, though, if you are looking for the 128-bit security
> > > edition - that requires a password bundled into the web-based download
> > > procedure, while the international version is freely available via ftp
> > > et al.
> > 
> > I believe that has just changed, and that the only "weak" security version 

> > is the one that the French are required by French law to use.
> > 
> > In any case, the file I d/l'ed from the FTP site passes the Security 
> > testing at
> > 
> > 	http://verisign.netscape.com/advisor/index.html
> > 
> > as 128-bit, etc.
> > 
> 

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              23-Sep-99 23:34:17
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Kim Cheung wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:50:25 -0700, Graham C. Norris wrote:
> >This real does sound like the kiss of death. It is quite clear from
> >this, and the official IBM information about Netscape 4.61, that IBM are
> >actively working to migrate users off OS/2. This message puts a date on
> >it: the end of 2002.
> 
> No.  That's not what it said.   In fact, it appears another year of funding
> was secured because prior information pointed to end of 2001.

It said: "We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server
for e-business and WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002". That
is IBM-speak for "that's when we plan to pull the plug". I've been
working with (not for) IBM for 27 years, I have some experience of their
statements of intent. Yes, things may change, but as Brad pointed out,
IBM may go into the garden tools business.

Graham.

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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     24-Sep-99 01:40:09
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

If you wish to compare, here is the response I received to my e-mail 
of the same type :)

Dear Mr. Pasnak:

Thank you for your interest in IBM's OS/2 family of products.  IBM 
often
explores possible business opportunities with other companies.   We do
not
discuss these potential opportunities publicly until a contractual 
relationship
is finalized.

IBM's OS/2 initiative is for customers to achieve platform 
independence via our
application model referred to as the Application Framework for 
e-business.  Our
strategy is focused on server-managed clients.  WorkSpace On-Demand 
and Warp
Server for e-business is our solution to this environment and is a 
early step
for transition to the Application Framework.  Our server-managed 
client solution
offers centralized management and control of heterogeneous clients, 
potential
lower cost of ownership, and rapid deployment of applications.

We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server for 
e-business and
WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002.  These enhancements 
will focus on
e-business technologies, extending WorkSpace On-Demand to industry 
servers other
than OS/2, and hardware and device driver support that we believe is 
most
essential to our key enterprise customers.

We appreciate your feedback regarding IBM and its products.

Regards,

Larry Thorn
NCSD Marketing





On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:28:49, Alan Beagley 
<abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com> woke up with a head full of 
whiskey and wrote:

> This message seems to be in reponse to my e-mail to Lou Gerstner expressing
my
> disappointment that there is apparently to be no new OS/2 client:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> morecsat@us.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> > Dear Mr. Beagley,
> >
> > Thank you for your interest in IBM's OS/2 family of products.  IBM often
> > explores possible business opportunities with other companies.   We do not
> > discuss these potential opportunities publicly until a contractual
relationship is
> > finalized.
> >
> > IBM's OS/2 initiative is for customers to achieve platform independence
via our
> > application model referred to as the Application Framework for e-business. 
 Our
> > strategy is focused on server-managed clients.  WorkSpace On-Demand and
Warp
> > Server for e-business is our solution to this environment and is a early
step for
> > transition to the Application Framework.  Our server-managed client
solution
> > offers centralized management and control of heterogeneous clients,
potential
> > lower cost of ownership, and rapid deployment of applications.
> >
> > We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server for
e-business and
> > WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002.  These enhancements will
focus on
> > e-business technologies, extending WorkSpace On-Demand to industry servers 
other
> > than OS/2, and hardware and device driver support that we believe is most
> > essential to our key enterprise customers.
> >
> > We appreciate your feedback regarding IBM and its products.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Larry Thorn
> > NCSD Marketing
> 

J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  24-Sep-99 07:57:05
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:16:29, "Master Blaster" 
<MasterBlaster2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he has not been
> able to find a compatible modem to function with OS/2.  Unbelievable, but
> even IBM couldn't provide him with one.  :(
> 
> Please provide advice on what to purchase.

Unbelievable indeed, if it were true (i.e., not a troll). Virtually any 
modem will work, because every normal modem is supported, if only as a 
"generic" modem. Your post would have been more believable had you included
a list of all the modems he has investigated and found to be unsupported.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  24-Sep-99 07:57:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:35:46, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> letoured@nospam.net said:
> 
> >Everyone is also ignoring the fact that there is an ongoing anti-trust
trial
> 
> Oh, I don't think anybody is ignoring anything.  I think a lot of us are
just
> seeing it as the latest in a very long line of excuses.

..and maybe they're right. On the other hand, if you place yourself in the
position of IBM, would you jeopardize your potential claim to an enormous 
damage claim by demonstrating that you could indeed make a splash in the 
market that you have asserted is locked by Microsoft?

But why think? It's far easier to just bash IBM.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
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From: miket@interact.net.au                             23-Sep-99 10:55:24
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: miket@interact.net.au    (Michael Taylor)

Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:
> M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn [TeleKabel] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
> 
> » > Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:
> 
> Check your news reader, or it's settings, van de MP. You have replied to the
> wrong post (contents of quoting doesn't match the post you reference to in
> your headers).
>  
> » fup set to comp.os.os2.advocacy
> 
> Set back to *.misc as it belongs in (as it's here I post and you flame me).
> 
> I'm very sorry, but this has nothing to do with advocacy of different
> operating systems (which I'm in difference to you is not very interested
in).
> 
> [ snip on typical poor flames best belonging to *alt.flame*, and not further
>   commented by me as I lack any such interest ]
> 

Oh dear. Martin you were not flamed at all. The only flame was a dig at the
"OS/2 Guy"
for not attacking you for being here despite not being a current OS/2 user.

All the quotes were from your original article. If the references in the
header are wrong
that is a very strange occurence but you cannot blame the settings for that.
Do you
think there is a setting for "Put the wrong reference in the header"?

--
Regards,                    Michael Taylor
Mike                        miket@interact.net.au
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From: miket@interact.net.au                             23-Sep-99 10:58:10
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: miket@interact.net.au    (Michael Taylor)

Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:
> M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn [TeleKabel] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
> 
> » > Check your news reader, or it's settings, van de MP. You have replied to 
the
> » > wrong post (contents of quoting doesn't match the post you reference to
in
> » > your headers).
> » 
> » I beg your pardon? Are you saying that I took contents from other posts
> » and introduced those falsely into this post. Such utter nonsense. All my 
> 
> Check your previous post with message-id:
> 
> <BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-Ro3sOdYmhrSB@n449.telekabel.euronet.nl>
> 
> It has the following (wrong) references in the headers:
> 
> References: <7/s43kDg6ZWE090yn@ibm.net> 
<c1.2b8.2SDPX0$0HC@cast.grid.ibm.net>
> <37e43207$2$ewyncunz$mr2ice@news.infinet.com>  <71F53oHpvCKb092yn@visi.com>
> <28335778A3AF2C1C.0554A333C546B5E8.77416EE05C830972@lp.airnews.net>
> <37e6bf53$1$nfxovyy$mr2ice@ne
> 

Your original post has this in the headers
References: <7/s43kDg6ZWE090yn@ibm.net>  <c1.2b8.2SDPX0$0HC@cast.grid.ibm.net> 
 
<37e43207$2$ewyncunz$mr2ice@news.infinet.com>  <71F53oHpvCKb092yn@visi.com>  
<28335778A3AF2C1C.0554A333C546B5E8.77416EE05C830972@lp.airnews.net> 
<37e6bf53$1$nfxovyy$mr2ice@news1.ibm.net>

I think you owe M.P. an apology.

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Regards,                    Michael Taylor
Mike                        miket@interact.net.au
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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          24-Sep-99 16:27:11
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

I went out looking at modems yesterday. EVERY one I saw
had something about WIN9* on the box. Came home empty
handed :-( Still using a 33.600bps and sometimes the down-
loads a slooooowww.

Cheers

Wayne


On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:16:29 -0700, Master Blaster wrote:

:>I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he has not been
:>able to find a compatible modem to function with OS/2.  Unbelievable, but
:>even IBM couldn't provide him with one.  :(
:>
:>Please provide advice on what to purchase.
:>
:>--
:>MasterBlaster
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                24-Sep-99 11:26:29
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: OS/2 Users Must Read

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

I think it's no surprize that IBM won't play OS/2 with a much smaller
firm.  In the final analysis, - and for different reasons, I concede
- they ended up parting with a firm much larger than Stardoc but
still small compared to them (even today!): Microsoft.  I look at it
this way:  If they couldn't work it out with MS, whom they did have a
stronge relationship with, why anyone else even smaller?  Although
realistically I've heard loud complaints about the buginess of SD
products and who knows, they may rival MS's in that respect, MS still
has more $$ and more programmers (many of high quality, no doubt) and
IBM split with them too.  And it's no great loss for OS/2, though I
am disappointed since I wanted a client for an Xmas gift.  However,
thanks to previous posts, all we have to do is get certain filez and
experiment with a hybrid system, which should be fun for at least a
few months!  Maybe these could be liberated from a beta CD, and they
will certainly appear as a package somewhere if the pioneers in the
field think it's working well for them (just like the TCPIP 4.1 stuff
or the HPFS386 stuff, of which there are multiple variants heroically
offered here and there)...  We should be OK for the forseeable future
(I hope).

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          24-Sep-99 09:57:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:29:45, hamei@pacbell.net a Úcrit dans un message:

> In <ndBG3.32$ffd.170534400@news.frii.net>, thoman@verinet.com writes:
> >In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-zyIkwsfcyWUY@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
> >>
> >>My simple-minded question is, why the hell can't the database for IBMAV 
> >>simply continue to be updated by Symantec with new virus sigs, so we can 
> >>continue to use the product we paid for and integrated into our
operations?
> >
> >        All things come to an end, especially those that don't generate
> >revenue and do inflict cost.  The costs in this type of case could grow,
> >as further development of NAV could require continual adjustments in
> >methods of translating from stuff for NAV to stuff for IBM AV, even as 
> >knowledge of IBM AV at Symantec wanes due to disuse.  
> 
> okay, dumb question : if Symantec didn't want to continue the IBM
> product, why did they buy it ? Up until that time, all the reports of
> IBM's anti-virus technology were enthusiastic and glowing - - then
> Symantec buys it, only to fade it away and substitute NAV ?  at this
> point, my small mind can only contemplate Kim's saying - 'two faces
> and three daggers.' I suppose some unforseen technicality arose *after* 
> the purchase which keeps Symantec from honouring its commitments ? 

News flash: Large corporation buys a competitor and puts it out of 
business. The gummint Anti-Trusters snooze, we all looze.

And with IBM declaring fast end-of-life for its OS, it couldn't care a whit
less about the users who had already bought IBMAV.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        24-Sep-99 11:31:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:05
Subj: Re: Address IR port on ThinkPad like COM2 - SOLVED

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

In reply to my own question, this is working well now. 

The problem seemed to be the MWAVE/DSP modem that were set up to use 
COM1. I just now had to use the ordinary serial port, so I disabled 
the MWAVE/DSP modem, enabled serial port as COM1 and left the infrared
port configured as COM2.

Everything worked immediately, I could access the infrared port as 
COM2.

The only infrared-related driver left in config.sys that I need to use
the infrared port as a COM port is:

DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\IRDD.SYS 2F8 3

This is the driver that comes with Warp 4. The parameters are 
neccessary here, otherwise the driver won't load.

Jan

 -------------------------------------------------
| Jan Eri         | Surfing with OS/2 Warp 4      | 
| Protector AS    | http://www.protector-group.no | 
| NORWAY          | http://home.eunet.no/~jeri    |
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From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu                    24-Sep-99 14:52:20
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)

In article <37eb0e3a@news1.prserv.net>,  <pcguido@ibm.net> wrote:
>In <j8v53oHpvy8c092yn@visi.com>, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>|Here in comp.os.os2.misc, bowenjm@rintintin.colorado.edu (Jason Bowen)
>|spake unto us, saying:
>|
>||I've heard that OS/2 users have to patch their install disks to install
>||Warp on new hardware.
>|
>|Feh.  Real machines use SCSI.	:-)
>|
>|--
>|	-Rich Steiner  >>>--->	rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>|	  OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>|	   + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>|				  "Look at all the indians!" - G. Custer
>
>Baby Bowen should grow up and join the real world. I had to patch
>the NT 4 install to use my 2940u2w _at_all_ . OS/2 OTOH, just had
>to be patched to see the whole 9gb on all of my disks. Linux is the
>only one that recognized the 2940u2w without coertion; but, lilo
>didn't like the size of the disks, and to be coaxed into finding
>the right place to put the boot loader.
>
>Perhaps he should stick to Nintendo.

And you should stick to satisfying your wife so that the mailman doesn't
make those special deliveries of his.  I wasn't talking about NT or Linux, 
the requirements of either don't have anything to do with OS/2's 
requirements.

>
>:) Guido
>


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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  24-Sep-99 14:05:08
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:41:54, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

> In <xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fiir1a2.pminews@news.deltanet.com>,
"Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> writes:
> >
> >"Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?"
> 
> we all are - only difference is which slaughterhouse we choose.
> Would you rather be shot or smacked in the head with a club, sir ?

-------------snip------------

As I understand it, having followed sporadically several of these 
doom-and-gloom threads since they began, the absolute worst-case scenario 
is that the present (excellent, in my view) level of IBM support for OS/2 
will continue as is until the end of 2002, i.e. more than three years. In 
three years, a GREAT DEAL can happen. Among other things, the DOJ vs 
Microsoft antitrust suit will likely be over, and a lot of dust and smoke 
will have cleared away. In the meantime, I have not noticed that any of the
OS/2 software I have has stopped working, or that I am in need of any 
additional software that is unavailable. True, I am not addicted to games; 
OS/2 would be in deep doo-doo if its attraction were to depend on games.

We already know what the deplorable situation is regarding ISVs, so the 
only thing we can be talking about is IBM support, about which I contend it
is too early to agonize.

Relax, fellas. Wait for a while, and see how things develop over the next 
three years. You may be pleasantly surprised. In the meantime, the 
handwriting that you think is on the wall is, in fact, written only on the 
fog intentionally emitted by IBM for reasons that may have nothing to do 
with any real intent to produce, or not to produce, a client.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          24-Sep-99 14:10:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <7setq1$jh4$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
MasterBlaster2000@hotmail.com "Master Blaster" assures everyone:

> I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he
> has not been able to find a compatible modem to function with
> OS/2.  [...]

I'm still using a 1995 US Robotics Courier Dual Standard with its
EPROM upgraded to the 33.6 bps standard.  On my British Telecomm
manky rural phone line I usually manage 28-ish.  You ought to be
able to pick up similar kit for a token sum by now.  Go external.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           24-Sep-99 10:03:11
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37EB1B7B.DEEB2AFD@linkline.com>, on 09/23/99 at 11:34 PM,
   "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com> said:

> It said: "We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server
> for e-business and WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002". That
> is IBM-speak for "that's when we plan to pull the plug". I've been
> working with (not for) IBM for 27 years, I have some experience of their
> statements of intent. Yes, things may change, but as Brad pointed out,
> IBM may go into the garden tools business.

For some people a 1,000,000 gallon tank with half a pint missing is
"nearly empty". You must be one of those.

Please note that IBM said it planned to continue development and
enhancement of Warp, Warp Server, etc. until the end of 2002. It stopped
development of DOS and Warp 3 in 1996 yet continued to support them with
updates, fixpacks, etc. to the present, some 3 years after both became
obsolete. That would indicate to me that IBM will support my OS for at
least another 5 years. Since Warp 4 was released in September 1996 and
likely will be supported at least until 2005, I find the tank damned near
full. I cannot think of one piece of hardware still in use that was here
in 1990. Other than a couple of batch files I wrote back then, none of the
software used in 1990 still exists on the NETWORK here.

OS/2 is an excellent product, the best desktop OS in the world. That is is
still entirely useful, functional, reliable, and stable some 3 years after
its release precludes the need for more than the occasional fixpack.

Moreover, nothing IBM has said precludes a new client in 2000, 2001, 2002,
etc,.etc.,etc. Be a pessimist if you want. But, please spread your doom
and gloom elsewhere.

Actually, what you wrote smacks of M$ inspired FUD. Are you sure you don't
work for Bill Gates?

--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           24-Sep-99 10:18:16
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-9slP60bBrH9J@POBLANO>, on 09/24/99 at 02:05 PM,
   l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:

Your post was such a breath of fresh air, it deserves to be quoted in
full. Thank you.

> As I understand it, having followed sporadically several of these 
> doom-and-gloom threads since they began, the absolute worst-case
> scenario  is that the present (excellent, in my view) level of IBM
> support for OS/2  will continue as is until the end of 2002, i.e. more
> than three years. In  three years, a GREAT DEAL can happen. Among other
> things, the DOJ vs  Microsoft antitrust suit will likely be over, and a
> lot of dust and smoke  will have cleared away. In the meantime, I have
> not noticed that any of the OS/2 software I have has stopped working, or
> that I am in need of any  additional software that is unavailable. True,
> I am not addicted to games;  OS/2 would be in deep doo-doo if its
> attraction were to depend on games.

Add to that as I have already posted to Graham Gloom and Doom, that some
3+ years after it was superceeded and nearly 6 years after it was
released, IBM continues to provide fixpacks for Warp 3. I see it that we
can look forward to support until 2006 at least.

> We already know what the deplorable situation is regarding ISVs, so the 
> only thing we can be talking about is IBM support, about which I contend
> it is too early to agonize.

Absolutely! FUD is being spread suddenly. Is M$ about to find itself in a
Consent Agreement with the Department of Justice which will make OS/2
suddenly the most sought after OS for the workstation?

> Relax, fellas. Wait for a while, and see how things develop over the
> next  three years. You may be pleasantly surprised. In the meantime, the
>  handwriting that you think is on the wall is, in fact, written only on
> the  fog intentionally emitted by IBM for reasons that may have nothing
> to do  with any real intent to produce, or not to produce, a client.

And, as I mentioned previously to Graham Gloom and Doom, IBM still
operates under two Consent Agreements which preclude early announcement of
plans, new versions, etc. until well near the end of the development
cycle. --
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              24-Sep-99 07:58:20
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Bob Germer wrote:
> Your whole post smacks of M$ inspired FUD. That's Fear, Uncertainty, and
> Doubt for the uninitiated.

Yeah, yeah yeah, boring old accusations.

> For Gosh's sake, Graham, the pronouncements form RELIABLE sources (which
> do not include either Brad Stardock or Tim Nightingale) make me realize
> that the OS/2 tank is nearly full.

Keeping on smokin' that weed!

> Remember, IBM operates under two
> Consent Agreements with the United States Department of Justice which
> preclude them, interalia, of announcing products until very late in the
> development cycle.

Ah, so NOT announcing things proves they are working on it. Not only
that, just take a look at all the wonderful new OS/2 products IBM have
announced since Warp 4 was launched. Hmmm, a port of an old version of
Smartsuite, a port of Netscape with large chunks missing, can't think of
a whole lot else. Now take a look at all the new stuff they've announced
for Windows.

Graham.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              24-Sep-99 07:52:26
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Bob Germer wrote:
> Actually, what you wrote smacks of M$ inspired FUD. Are you sure you don't
> work for Bill Gates?

Yeah, that's it, anyone who isn't permanently wearing rose-tinted
spectacles or smoking something illegal must be on Bill's payroll. If
you can't figure out by now that IBM's strategy is to eliminate OS/2
then just take a look at the ISVs whose sales of OS/2 software is so
small that they have to look to Windows just to survive.

If OS/2 continues to work for you in 2010 on a Pentium III then that's
great, just don't imagine IBM are going to be pumping out a decades
worth of upgrades or that you'll have been able to buy any software to
run on it for most of the preceeding decade.

Graham.

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      24-Sep-99 17:04:09
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Michael Taylor [Michael Taylor at Home] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ > It has the following (wrong) references in the headers:
¯ > 
¯ > References: <7/s43kDg6ZWE090yn@ibm.net> 
<c1.2b8.2SDPX0$0HC@cast.grid.ibm.net>
¯ > <37e43207$2$ewyncunz$mr2ice@news.infinet.com> 
<71F53oHpvCKb092yn@visi.com>
¯ > <28335778A3AF2C1C.0554A333C546B5E8.77416EE05C830972@lp.airnews.net>
¯ > <37e6bf53$1$nfxovyy$mr2ice@ne
 
Which is wrong (the last reference above is invalid, and it totally lacks the
reference to my post which he replied to).
 
¯ Your original post has this in the headers
¯ References: <7/s43kDg6ZWE090yn@ibm.net> 
<c1.2b8.2SDPX0$0HC@cast.grid.ibm.net>  
¯ <37e43207$2$ewyncunz$mr2ice@news.infinet.com>  <71F53oHpvCKb092yn@visi.com>  

¯ <28335778A3AF2C1C.0554A333C546B5E8.77416EE05C830972@lp.airnews.net> 
¯ <37e6bf53$1$nfxovyy$mr2ice@news1.ibm.net>

Which is the absolutely correct headers.
 
¯ I think you owe M.P. an apology.

Sorry, but I think you to start with needs to learn and know what you talk
before commenting things you obviously has no clue about, and making such
irrational demands.

Even M.P. has finally understood that the references posted by his news reader
was wrong. How long will it take *you* too reach to the same conclusion?

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      24-Sep-99 17:04:11
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Potential virus threats 

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Michael Taylor [Michael Taylor at Home] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ Oh dear. Martin you were not flamed at all. The only flame was a dig at the
"OS/2 Guy"
¯ for not attacking you for being here despite not being a current OS/2 user.

Dear Mike Taylor, I think you have some serious problem reading the contents
of a posting. To not repeat myself and all over again please first see the
whole thread and read all it's replies before you make such comments. Thanks.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              24-Sep-99 08:05:16
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Bob Germer wrote:
> And, as I mentioned previously to Graham Gloom and Doom, IBM still
> operates under two Consent Agreements which preclude early announcement of
> plans, new versions, etc. until well near the end of the development
> cycle. --

You know jack shit about me to start calling me things like this, and
you clearly know even less about IBM and OS/2. Every time someone who
has some inside knowledge, such as Brad Wardell, points out the reality
that IBM are NOT developing OS/2 the abuse starts. Yes, IBM are
supporting their customers with fixpaks: that's a big difference between
IBM and Microsoft. IBM are continuing to develop AIX, OS/390 and OS/400
but not OS/2. OS/2 is what is known as "functionally stabilised".

Graham.

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From: magnuso AT ibm.net                                24-Sep-99 15:56:07
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Judgment Day ... Stardock and OS/2

From: magnuso AT ibm.net (Magnus Olsson)

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:59:29, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy 
Donnelly) wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:18:52, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) a ?crit dans 
> un message:
> snip
> > > 
> > > Didn't mean to sound "chiding" towards you, whatsoever. Sorry. 
> > > 
> > > The phrase "is in the business of making money for its owners" is easily 

> > > read to mean "is *only* in the business..." and that's the kind of
thinking
> > > (on IBM's part) I was taking issue with.
> > 
> > But that is what IBM, or any company, is in business for, because that is 
> > what business is all about. Governments can act "for the greater good",
and
> > can e.g. by use of tax policy and regulation, induce businesses to do so 
> > too. But that's another story. 
> 
> Then I will take a parting snipe and chide you for saying that's ALL a 
> business is all about. 
> 
> Businesses are not Star Boarders on this planet. Businesses drink our 
> water, breath our air, take up space in our community and therefore have 
> the SAME responsibilities towards the community, to enhance, improve, and 
> protect the common good and commonwealth, as any of its citizens, so they 
> are NOT allowed to smirk and say "We get to do this or that crime against 
> humanity because all we have to do is make profits for our shareholders."
Just one word: Splendid!!

> I agree it's not popular, and I agree it's not usual, to say this, sad to 
True, but it's getting more and more popular. I think they call it 
ethical business.

> say, but it's still true and there are many people in business who are 
> privately ashamed of the companies they work for.
> 
> And I also agree it's OT and agree to quit, now.
Too bad as I was just getting started:-)

-
Magnus Olsson

"Nothing in the affairs of men is worthy of great anxiety."
 - Plato

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From: donm@ftel.net                                     24-Sep-99 16:46:09
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 15:24:08
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

In message <7setq1$jh4$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> - "Master Blaster"
<MasterBlaster2000@hotmail.com> writes:
:>
:>I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he has not been
:>able to find a compatible modem to function with OS/2.  Unbelievable, but
:>even IBM couldn't provide him with one.  :(
:>
:>Please provide advice on what to purchase.
:>
:>--
:>MasterBlaster
:>
:>
:>

?????  are we talking internal or external modem here?  I much prefer external
for a variety of reasons and have had ZERO trouble getting any of them to
work, including my original ZyXel ISDN T/A.  I am now using a ZyXel 100IH ISDN
router over ethernet, but a modem should be no problem....  can you give me
any more particulars...?

don

********************************************************
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       type out the Bible, given enough time.
     Then Bill Gates had 25 monkeys and a week! 
********************************************************
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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               24-Sep-99 10:14:26
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 15:24:08
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:34:35 -0700, Graham C. Norris wrote:

>Kim Cheung wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:50:25 -0700, Graham C. Norris wrote:
>> >This real does sound like the kiss of death. It is quite clear from
>> >this, and the official IBM information about Netscape 4.61, that IBM are
>> >actively working to migrate users off OS/2. This message puts a date on
>> >it: the end of 2002.
>> 
>> No.  That's not what it said.   In fact, it appears another year of funding
>> was secured because prior information pointed to end of 2001.
>
>It said: "We plan to continue enhancements to OS/2 Warp 4, Warp Server
>for e-business and WorkSpace On-Demand through December 31, 2002". That
>is IBM-speak for "that's when we plan to pull the plug". I've been
>working with (not for) IBM for 27 years, I have some experience of their
>statements of intent. Yes, things may change, but as Brad pointed out,
>IBM may go into the garden tools business.
>

Yes, you work "with" IBM for 27 years - but you didn't work "for" IBM at the
present time.   What you don't know is that it means that the last funding
cycle ended through Dec 31, 2002 - that's one of the last thing the X-Exec
did - and, yes, I know exactly who but that's beside the point.

They are now into the next funding cycle request.    There are tremendous
demand in the US geo. but NLS is getting to be a very sticky issue.

Incidentally, I don't think some of the multi-bil WSOD deployment projects
can finish by Dec 31, 2002.   So, you think IBM is in the business of cutting
off their super-Enterprise Banking customers in the middle of a worldwide
deployment project?



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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             24-Sep-99 10:45:23
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: IBM PC Driver Download Speed

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

I have been trying to download an OS/2 driver from the IBM PC site and
it is EXTREMELY slow.  I guess I have been spoiled with the downloads
from other IBM sites but, based on my experience, the IBM PC company
must have the world's slowest servers.  Is this normal for them or are
they having some sort of problem?

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             24-Sep-99 10:41:20
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Master Blaster wrote:
> 
> I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he has not been
> able to find a compatible modem to function with OS/2.  Unbelievable, but
> even IBM couldn't provide him with one.  :(
> 
I have a US Robotics internal 56K OEM Model 1787 modem that works just
fine.  I use an intialization string of 

AT&F1L0M0

Don't get a WinModem.  Also, be aware that most inexpensive PCI 56K
modems are winmodems that will only work with Windows.  They use the CPU
to do the signal processing rather than doing this onboard the modem
itself.  It's less expensive to build a modem this way but requires more
CPU time and also a special software driver to communicate between the
modem and the operating system.  I don't think these are a very good
idea regardless of your operating system.

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From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com                          24-Sep-99 18:09:26
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com (Timothy J. Bogart)

In article <37EB9045.6572D42B@linkline.com>,
Graham C. Norris <norrisg@linkline.com> wrote:
>Bob Germer wrote:
>> Actually, what you wrote smacks of M$ inspired FUD. Are you sure you don't
>> work for Bill Gates?
>
>Yeah, that's it, anyone who isn't permanently wearing rose-tinted
>spectacles or smoking something illegal must be on Bill's payroll. If
>you can't figure out by now that IBM's strategy is to eliminate OS/2
>then just take a look at the ISVs whose sales of OS/2 software is so
>small that they have to look to Windows just to survive.
>
>If OS/2 continues to work for you in 2010 on a Pentium III then that's
>great, just don't imagine IBM are going to be pumping out a decades
>worth of upgrades or that you'll have been able to buy any software to
>run on it for most of the preceeding decade.
>
>Graham.

Perhaps there should have been a smiley in Messr Germer's statement, but 
essetially I would have to agree with him.  No product is guarateed
forever, we all know that.  With the number of times per year someone 
has jumped up with the 'OS/2 is dead', not to mention the MS employees
who _have_ been caught playing these games, a knee jerk should not be
too surprising.

Call me silly, but it has looked for some time that IBM is finding
their profit margins on the server side so loveley that they have
not chased the desktop in any market...and with the pick up of 
Linux it two of their markets (Intel based and RS/6000 based systems)
they have the availability of desktop capabilities 'built in'.

I don't see them doing a resurgence of OS/2.  If we could just get
one more upgrade to a 64 bit kernel, that would take care of moi
for quite some time.....8-)

Or maybe donate the defunct OS/2 for the PowerPC to the open software
world?  How many bought the book?  8-) 8-)

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From: letoured@nospam.net                               24-Sep-99 12:03:17
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?

From: letoured@nospam.net

>And, as I mentioned previously to Graham Gloom and Doom, IBM still
>operates under two Consent Agreements which preclude early announcement
>of plans, new versions, etc. until well near the end of the development
>cycle. --

I thought these were lifted a year or two back?   -- Which doesn't mean
that the process they created over twenty years of compliance, has not
become part of the corporate culture.

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  24-Sep-99 18:36:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Am I a lamb heading to the slaughter house?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:05:32, "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com> 
wrote:

> Bob Germer wrote:
> > And, as I mentioned previously to Graham Gloom and Doom, IBM still
> > operates under two Consent Agreements which preclude early announcement of
> > plans, new versions, etc. until well near the end of the development
> > cycle. --
> 
> You know jack shit about me to start calling me things like this, and
> you clearly know even less about IBM and OS/2. Every time someone who
> has some inside knowledge, such as Brad Wardell, points out the reality
> that IBM are NOT developing OS/2 the abuse starts. Yes, IBM are
> supporting their customers with fixpaks: that's a big difference between
> IBM and Microsoft. IBM are continuing to develop AIX, OS/390 and OS/400
> but not OS/2. OS/2 is what is known as "functionally stabilised".
> 
> Graham.

"A-a-a-ah, the only exercise your mind gets is jumping at conclusions."
         James Thurber, in "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty"

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: madodel@ptdprolog.net                             24-Sep-99 17:40:25
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Help finding a modem that functions with OS/2

From: madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel)

From the August99, VOICE Newsletter Tips:

August 4, 1999 - On comp.os.os2.setup.misc, Frank McKenney, McKenney 
Associates had this
assistance for OS/2 users looking for real modems:

There are a lot of modems out on the market, and new ones seem to 
appear daily. Some of these are "WinModems", that is, modems that are 
useless without special MSWin9x-only driver software and... um, not a 
worthwhile investment for those of us running any other operating 
system (OS/2, Mac, Linux, or WhateverOS). Some, of course, are "real" 
modems: external units or those that present a "standard" 165xx-like 
UART interface to the operating system. The trick is to be able to 
tell the difference _before_ spending one's money (;-). Fortunately, 
someone has taken the effort to set up a 'web page with all sorts of 
modem information (bus interface, PnP/No, chipset, etc.). As one might
guess, it's a work in progress (only 250K or so to date), but the 
author is actively soliciting updates.
Linux/Modem Compatibility Knowledge Base
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/19990803a.html
If you find the information useful, take the time to send a message of
thanks to the author, gromitkc@o2.net.
Oh, and I'll add a "Thank You" to David Mcilroy, whose post 
incomp.os.linux.setup led me to this
page.
Hope you all find it useful...

Mark

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:16:29, "Master Blaster" 
<MasterBlaster2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

-)I have friend who has OS/2 installed in his PC.  However, he has not been
-)able to find a compatible modem to function with OS/2.  Unbelievable, but
-)even IBM couldn't provide him with one.  :(
-)
-)Please provide advice on what to purchase.
-)
-)--
-)MasterBlaster
-)
-)
-)
-)
-)
-)


//---------------------------------------------------------
// From the Desk of: Mark Dodel, RN, BSN, MBA
//             Healthcare Computer Consultant
//                   madodel@ptdprolog.net
//    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel
//
//  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
//             http://www.os2voice.org/index.html
//---------------------------------------------------------


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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               24-Sep-99 14:13:07
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Two e-mail addresses?

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

Is there a way, using NS 4.61, to have two different e-mail addresses
selected automatically: a "spam-resistant" one that is used when posting
to Newsgroups, and a "transparent" one that is used for person-t-person
e-mail?

Alan Beagley

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From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com                              24-Sep-99 18:13:10
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: DaniS506.ADD breaks CD-ROM support

From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com

I'm trying to install the DaniS506 controller, but I can't get my
CD-ROM to work with it. The statement in my config.sys is:
BASEDEV=DaniS506.ADD /V /PCLK:0 /A:0 /U:1 /MR:223 /A:1 /I
I have a Western Digital 8.4 GB drive, and a Creative 8x CD-ROM, and
I'm running Warp 4, FP 11. When I'm booting OS/2 reports that it can't
load OS2CDROM.DMD. Any suggestions?

Ron Blatt


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                24-Sep-99 15:54:15
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: CDRW for OS/2

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

Looking for opinions on a model of CDrw and software to run on Warp 4.

Currently thinking about Yamahga 4416ez or Ricoh 7040a  (IDE).

Not because I know anything!!

Or should I just throw in the towel and install Windows?

Ron

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From: thaimann@dmreg.infi.net                           24-Sep-99 16:06:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Two e-mail addresses?

From: "Terry Haimann" <thaimann@dmreg.infi.net>

I realize netscape is free, but for e-mail and newsgroups I suggest you pay a
little money and pm-mail(handles multiple accounts) and pminews for
newsgroups.

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:13:14 -0400, Alan Beagley wrote:

>Is there a way, using NS 4.61, to have two different e-mail addresses
>selected automatically: a "spam-resistant" one that is used when posting
>to Newsgroups, and a "transparent" one that is used for person-t-person
>e-mail?
>
>Alan Beagley
>



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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                24-Sep-99 22:41:18
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Fortifying Com. 4.61GA?

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

Hello all,
Anyone used Fortify in its current release successfully on
Communicator 4.61?  Any caveats?  
Thanks!

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: letoured@nospam.net                               24-Sep-99 16:35:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: CDRW for OS/2

From: letoured@nospam.net

Check the suported drive list for RSJ CD Writer;

www.rsj.de


>Looking for opinions on a model of CDrw and software to run on Warp 4.

>Currently thinking about Yamahga 4416ez or Ricoh 7040a  (IDE).

>Not because I know anything!!

>Or should I just throw in the towel and install Windows?

>Ron
_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: thaimann@dmreg.infi.net                           24-Sep-99 16:13:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: tcp/ip ?

From: "Terry Haimann" <thaimann@dmreg.infi.net>

Using Dial other Internet providers, is there a way to set it up so that it
connects any time there is a tcp/ip request?

Thx,  Terry.


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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            24-Sep-99 22:02:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: Reply from IBM

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

How about DB2.

I'm surprised you forgot Java.

Regards,
Tim

"Graham C. Norris" wrote:

> Bob Germer wrote:
> > Your whole post smacks of M$ inspired FUD. That's Fear, Uncertainty, and
> > Doubt for the uninitiated.
>
> Yeah, yeah yeah, boring old accusations.
>
> > For Gosh's sake, Graham, the pronouncements form RELIABLE sources (which
> > do not include either Brad Stardock or Tim Nightingale) make me realize
> > that the OS/2 tank is nearly full.
>
> Keeping on smokin' that weed!
>
> > Remember, IBM operates under two
> > Consent Agreements with the United States Department of Justice which
> > preclude them, interalia, of announcing products until very late in the
> > development cycle.
>
> Ah, so NOT announcing things proves they are working on it. Not only
> that, just take a look at all the wonderful new OS/2 products IBM have
> announced since Warp 4 was launched. Hmmm, a port of an old version of
> Smartsuite, a port of Netscape with large chunks missing, can't think of
> a whole lot else. Now take a look at all the new stuff they've announced
> for Windows.
>
> Graham.

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From: thaimann@dmreg.infi.net                           24-Sep-99 16:03:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: User Configurations

From: "Terry Haimann" <thaimann@dmreg.infi.net>

We just picked up a 17" monitor for my desktop.  Well, my eye sight is 20/20
and my wife's isn't, therefore she likes her windows real big and I don't. 
So I was wondering if there was some sort of utility that would change the
font/window size.  So that when my wife wants to use the machine she can
click on an icon and everything will change to full size, but when I want to
use it I can have everything 20 - 30% smaller.

Thx,  Terry


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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        24-Sep-99 22:37:04
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Microsoft Word 5.5b Download

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

In <slrn7td4us.n1v.stefand@ferrari.lcam.u-psud.fr>, stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr
(Stefan A. Deutscher) writes:
>On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:41:52 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com
><lifedata@xxvol.com> wrote:
>>rwhutch@nr.infi.net  (R.W. Hutchinson) said:
>>>I still think that Word 5.0 was the best Word Processor I ever used,
>>>but I
>>
>>I missed the beginning of this thread.  Where is this Word download?
>
>http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/downloadDetails/Wd55eng.htm
>
>It states it is an upgrade for registered users of Word 5.0. Stefan
>

Is this a family mode app? ie will it run as a native OS/2 text mode program?

--
John

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From: sd@NOSPAMvif.com                                  24-Sep-99 22:57:21
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Two e-mail addresses?

From: Serge Desaulniers <sd@NOSPAMvif.com>

Alan Beagley wrote :
> 
> Is there a way, using NS 4.61, to have two different e-mail addresses
> selected automatically: a "spam-resistant" one that is used when posting
> to Newsgroups, and a "transparent" one that is used for person-t-person
> e-mail?
> 
> Alan Beagley

I am not sure this would be very practical, but you could create a
second profile... One profile for one e-mail address and a second
profile for your other address...

What do you think? Is it worth a try?

-- 
Serge Desaulniers
sd AT vif DOT com
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To E-mail directly, please remove NOSPAM...

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From: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datat...               24-Sep-99 19:04:27
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 21:16:29
Subj: Re: Two e-mail addresses?

Message sender: abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley_DeleteThisToReply@datatone.com>

I was really hoping for something more automatic than that: to have one "From"
address for mail, and a different one for news.

Alan


Serge Desaulniers wrote:

> Alan Beagley wrote :
> >
> > Is there a way, using NS 4.61, to have two different e-mail addresses
> > selected automatically: a "spam-resistant" one that is used when posting
> > to Newsgroups, and a "transparent" one that is used for person-t-person
> > e-mail?
> >
> > Alan Beagley
>
> I am not sure this would be very practical, but you could create a
> second profile... One profile for one e-mail address and a second
> profile for your other address...
>
> What do you think? Is it worth a try?
>
> --
> Serge Desaulniers
> sd AT vif DOT com
> -----------------
> To E-mail directly, please remove NOSPAM...

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