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From: doc@bignet.net                                    10-Sep-99 21:20:08
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 04:50:26
Subj: Re: File Commander/2 !!!!!!!!!!

From: doc@bignet.net

Look, I'm a registered FC/2 user, and have been for quite some time.  I love
the program and Brian Havard's support.

What I do =NOT= care for is your spewing your cheesy adverts all over the net.

Please desist.



In <pwogfbsgjnerpbz.fhuke66.pminews@news.iae.nl>, on 09/10/99 
   at 10:03 AM, "C.J." <C.J.@btsoftware.com> said:

>File Commander/2
>************************

>File Manager

>File Commander is a 32 bit text mode file manager and shell that allows
>you to locate, copy, move, delete, view, edit and execute your files in
>a quick, convenient and customizable manner.

>Versions for windows 95/98/NT and OS2 are available.

>Check it out and download File Commander/2 for a free trial period
>from:
>	http://www.btsoftware.com/os2/filecmdr.htm







-- 
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          11-Sep-99 01:31:01
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 04:50:26
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:49:21, Dave Critelli <DCritel@ibm.net> a crit dans 
un message:
> >
> > I use xcopy for this in my backup routine.  I copy the entire drive to a
> > removable one.  If I need to restore it, I just reverse the procedure.
> > The command line for me is:
> > xcopy "source path" "target drive letter:" /s /e /v /h /t /r /o
> >
> 
> A helpful hint.
> Realign you switch to read: "/h /o /t /s /e /r /v"
> It's easier to remember.


You haven't heard the old mnenomic, "Sunday Every Village Housefrau Throws 
Rats Out"?

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: DCritel@IBM.net                                   10-Sep-99 22:17:16
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 04:50:26
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: Dave Critelli <DCritel@IBM.net>


Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:49:21, Dave Critelli <DCritel@ibm.net> a ?crit dans
> un message:
> > >
> > > I use xcopy for this in my backup routine.  I copy the entire drive to a
> > > removable one.  If I need to restore it, I just reverse the procedure.
> > > The command line for me is:
> > > xcopy "source path" "target drive letter:" /s /e /v /h /t /r /o
> > >
> >
> > A helpful hint.
> > Realign you switch to read: "/h /o /t /s /e /r /v"
> > It's easier to remember.
>
> You haven't heard the old mnenomic, "Sunday Every Village Housefrau Throws
> Rats Out"?

Shoot Buddy, I forgot about that one!   ;)
Dave

>
> Good luck,
>
> Buddy
>
> Buddy Donnelly
> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com

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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  10-Sep-99 21:24:00
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 04:50:26
Subj: Re: Awget and image linked URL's

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

Sometime I find that I need to RMB the image and create a URL.  I can
then check to make sure that the URL contains the proper info for AWGET.

Cam wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to get Awget to retrieve documents that are linked
> using an image?  Just using drag and drop gets me the image, rather than
> the document.
> 
> Thanks for any help.

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 11-Sep-99 01:05:00
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 04:50:26
Subj: How to copy ini files?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

I've looked at the WPTool docs for the version I have (29)
and while I gather copyini's gone, I'm not sure how it's
been superceded.  I'd really like to copy'em about every
other night but how to do it without copyini?  

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: rdunham@inficad.com                               10-Sep-99 22:55:00
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 04:50:26
Subj: Help Orb SCSI on TP385XD.....

From: "RDunham" <rdunham@inficad.com>

FYI:  I just bought an Orb external SCSI unit.  Plugged it in and the system
recognized the drive but will not read the disk.  

Performed a shutdown and then rebooted with the disk in and upto speed.

Same happened again.

The unit will eject the disk but will not recognize the disk to format.  It
thinks that it is a floppy with the format window that does finally open. 
The disk is Mac formatted.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Regards:  Dick


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From: kris@dgraph.com                                   11-Sep-99 02:18:09
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 10:18:23
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>

Remove the hidden attribute from os2.ini and os2sys.ini and copy them.

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> 
> I've looked at the WPTool docs for the version I have (29)
> and while I gather copyini's gone, I'm not sure how it's
> been superceded.  I'd really like to copy'em about every
> other night but how to do it without copyini?
> 
> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

-- 

**********************
DigiGraph Technical
http://www.dgraph.com
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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 11-Sep-99 09:40:02
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 10:18:23
Subj: Re: Help Orb SCSI on TP385XD.....

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

AFAIK the Orb wil lnot work with OS/2

The box and docos state that it will, but castlewood thenselves are
apprently having a problem with the drivers.

Cheers,
Craig

"RDunham" <rdunham@inficad.com> wrote:

>FYI:  I just bought an Orb external SCSI unit.  Plugged it in and the system
>recognized the drive but will not read the disk.  
>
>Performed a shutdown and then rebooted with the disk in and upto speed.
>
>Same happened again.
>
>The unit will eject the disk but will not recognize the disk to format.  It
>thinks that it is a floppy with the format window that does finally open. 
>The disk is Mac formatted.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Regards:  Dick
>
>

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From: ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                         11-Sep-99 14:43:05
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 20:32:14
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

In comp.os.os2.utilities,comp.os.linux.setup
Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
> I am looking for a "fool-proof" solution for writing the image of a whole
> HPFS partition back to a hard disk. Of the operating systems at my disposal,
> Linux and OS/2 are the ones that can access hard disks of all relevant
> sizes, while Linux also has an easy way of copying the entire partition
> into an image file (e.g. by a simple "cp /dev/hdc6 /dos/hdc6.img") and even
> permits to remount this image in just a matter of seconds through the loop
> device ("mount /dos/hdc6.img /warp -t hpfs -o loop=/dev/loop3") as if the
> original hard disk still was there (is there any means to do anything like
> it with a hard disk partition's image file under OS/2, by the way ?).

Thanks for your replies. By now I have received several messages suggesting
to use XCOPY with its full set of options, or InfoZip's (UN)ZIP.EXE for OS/2.
However, what I am looking for is not file-based backup (this will indeed
be accomplished with these utilities, but at a different stage, and only
on the few files that are actually being added or modified), but rather a
way to write back a whole partition image (i.e. containing both the files
and the entire file system structure), as obtained with a Unix cp of the
entire partition (or the appropriate OS/2 equivalent, but there is none
that I know of - any suggestions, just like for the mount command either ?)
as described above, e.g. from a CD-ROM (or a removable hard disk drive).

> Now what I need is a fool-proof way to write back this image file from a
> rudimentary OS/2 or Linux system (e.g. based on the single-floppy tomsrtbt)
> booted from an "emergency disk", which should ideally only ask its users
> to insert the appropriate CD-ROM, query them whether they really want to
> replace the entire partition's contents, to then start copying the image
> over the original hard disk partition and (to detect any hardware failure)
> verify whether the new partition contents and the image compare OK.

Preferably this would be an open-source solution, and definitely not a
proprietary backup program (since these backups are meant for long-term use
and should not involve the risk of their programmers going out of business,
probably leaving a program incompatible with certain forthcoming hardware).

If all else fails, I could still use a Linux boot floppy with a script
just running "cp hda6.img /dev/hda6" then "diff /dev/hda6 hda6.img -q -s"
(does anyone see a reason why this would not work, or have much better
proposals ?), but of course I do not really consider this a sufficiently user-
friendly solution (since it is intended as a means of "disaster recovery").

GreetinX/2

Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

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From: weismer@erols.com                                 11-Sep-99 11:53:04
  To: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Sep-99 20:32:14
Subj: (1/2) Re: Backup & Defragmentation 3.1 (Sept. 7, 1999)

To: John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca>
From: Murray Weismer <weismer@erols.com>

I've made all of this painless with the DreckBak for OS/2 backup/restore
utility suite. It uses info-zip as the compression engine.
 I've yet to see any os2 file not backed up because of being "locked".
I've backed up from the booted partition, re-formatted and restored many
times without a problem. There are a few files from my DOS based
Wildcat4 BBS that are locked by wildcat to prevent another node from
accessing it while in use, and these are the only files that I've ever
seen that are not processed. (and only if there is a user online during
the backup) These files are reported by the extensive logging built into
DreckBak.

It's available on my site, below, and at many popular OS2 sites (BMT,
Hobbes)


John Hong wrote:
> 
>                   Backup & Defragmentation 3.1
> 
>      This is just a little primer drawn up in order to help OS/2
> users to use common compression utilities such as PkZip for
> backing up their OS/2 drives.
>      Another use for this is also to fight against fragmentation.
> OS/2's HPFS file system does not fragment like the way FAT drives
> do, but it does become susceptible to it when the drive is almost
> full.  So, the best remedy is to backup the data, format the
> partition, then unarchive the backup back to the original
> partition and you are back in business.
>      Prior to doing this, be sure to create boot disks in order
> to compress/uncompress the backup files.  You can use either the
> Create Utility Diskettes option in OS/2's System Folder or (a
> better option) use BootOS/2 in order to make them.  BootOS/2 in
> particular is more advantageous since it would only need two 3.5"
> 1.44 MB diskettes over the three needed by OS/2 Warp 3 & Connect
> and the four for OS/2 Warp 4.  Plus, one can also use LxLite
> compression with BootOS/2 in order to save that little extra bit
> of disk space necessary.  As well, you can probably use it for an
> LS-120 or ZIP disk whereas the Utility Diskettes option would not
> support it.  BootOS/2 can be found at the Hobbes OS/2 Archive
> (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu).  LxLite can be found at LEO
> (http://www.leo.org).
>      EXTRA: It is a good idea to make your backups booting
> through your bootdisks since there maybe locked files that won't
> be compressed.  Locked files are files that are currently in use
> by OS/2 and will not allow any kind of manipulation from the user
> to take place.
>      EXTRA EXTRA: Before making a backup, it maybe a good idea to
> run CHKDSK from the bootable floppies first.  Another thing, make
> sure you run CHKDSK (CHKDSK X: /F:2) twice in a row.  I picked up
> this little tidbit from the "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" book by SAMS
> Publishing (fine book, BTW).  It is found in Chapter 18, dealing
> with troubleshooting on page 941:
> 
>      "Note that if you running HPFS, then you should
>      periodically run CHKDSK C: /F:2 twice.  The first pass
>      checks and cleans the primary HPFS structures, and the
>      second pass checks and clears the secondary HPFS
>      structures."
> 
>      BTW: When I say it was tested personally under an OS/2
> system, it means that I had tested it under a bootable OS/2
> partition and not just a partition with data on it.
> 
>      Updates:
> 
>      * Warp for e-Business
>      * Windows 95 - FAT32
> 
>      To Do List:
> 
>      * Testing ARJ/2 2.6x once it gets out of beta
> 
> 
>       *NEW*UPDATE* Warp for e-Business *UPDATE*NEW*
> 
>      Okay, now that you've seent this, I have read of a user
> on Usenet trying to use RAR/2 2.50 in order to backup their
> Warp for e-Business partition.  It didn't work, apparently
> the EA's were trashed.  Possibly this may have something to
> do with the new LVM and JFS.  I don't know since I do not have
> Warp for e-Business, and thus have no way of verifying.  So at
> this point in time it is best not to try using any of these
> methods for backing up Warp for e-Business.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Overall
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Compression    | Disk Spanning | Requires PM |  Recovery | EA's |
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> PkZip/2 2.50   |      Yes      |     Yes     |    Yes    |  Yes |
> Info-Zip 2.22  |       No      |      No     |    Yes    |  Yes |
> RAR/2 2.50     |      Yes      |      No     |    Yes    |  Yes |
> ARJ/2 2.62 Beta|      Yes      |      No     |    Yes    |   No |
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Disk Spanning: Ability to support multiple archives.  Basically
>      once the disk or cartridge is full, it can ask the user to
>      insert another disk or cartridge in order for it continue.
>      A Yes is good.
> Requires PM: Does the compression program require the PM,
>      Presentation Manager.  This is OS/2's GUI.  A no is a good
>      answer since it would be impossible to boot OS/2 up with
>      regular floppies with the PM (unless it was a ZIP/LS-120
>      booting with A: drive).
> Recovery: Ability to recover/fix a corrupt archive, ie. PkZipFix.
>      A yes here is a good answer.  If the file is corrupt you can
>      at least salvage something from it.
> EA's: Ability to save OS/2's Extended Attributes.  A yes here is
>      a must for OS/2.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Info-Zip for OS/2 (v2.22)
> http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/
> 
>      Works very well under OS/2.  Use the following switches:
> 
> zip -rS$ (destination/name of backup) *
> 
> example:
> 
> zip -rS$ F:\BACKUP.ZIP *
> 
>      Stick unzip.exe onto your OS/2 bootdisks, to restore the
> drive simply:
> 
> unzip (name of backup)
> 
> example:
> 
> C: (being where I want it unzipped)
> unzip F:\BACKUP.ZIP
> 
>      Info-Zip is fine if you are just going to back it up to
> another partition or have a removable media drive large enough to
> fit it.  Currently, Info-Zip is not able to handle disk spanning.
> It is a future feature to be added according to their home
> webpage when 3.0 comes out.
> 
> Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's).
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> PkZip for OS/2 (v2.50)
> http://www.pkware.com
> 
>      Another that works well under OS/2.  Perhaps a little better
> than Info-Zip since PkZip does handle disk spanning.  Use the
> following switch:
> 
> pkzip /add /attr=all /dir=full /rec /volume=(drive letter)
>      (destination/name of backup) *
> 
> example:
> 
> pkzip /add /attr=all /dir=full /rec /volume=C F:\BACKUP.ZIP *
> 
>      To enable disk spanning, add the /span switch before the
> /volume one.
>      Take note, use pkzip.exe, do not use pkzip2.cmd or else it
> will simply fail and just zip up the volume label in a file
> called "all.zip".
> 
>      Now to uncompress the archive, simply go:
> 
> pkzip /attr=all /dir=full /extract /mask=none /rec /volume=C
>      (destination/name of backup)
> 
> example:
> 
> pkzip /attr=all /dir=full /extract /mask=none /rec /volume=C
> F:\BACKUP.ZIP C:
> 
> Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's).
> 
>      Extra Note: Apparently the geniuses at PkWare designed PkZip
> for OS/2 needing the Presentation Manager.  So, using the boot
> disks from the Create Utility Disks function will not work.  The
> only way for BootOS/2 to get this to work is with the TYPE=PM
> option.  This of course will require a bootable device large
> enough to handle the extra data.  So really you are going to need
> a bootable ZIP or LS-120 device in order to get this working.
> With that said, you can use unzip.exe in order to uncompress the
> pkzipped files.  But, that has a problem too.  Currently UnZip
> 5.40 will not be able to unzip multiple archives (like Zip 2.22).
> This is slated for the next major release (UnZip 6.00).
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> RAR for OS/2 (v2.50)
> http://www.rarsoft.com
> 
>      Easiest one to use due to its Norton Commander-like
> interface.  Go into RAR's configuration (press F9, it is the
> first item on the menu) and make sure the following are checked
> on:
> 
>      X - Always Solid Archiving
>      X - Put Recovery Record
> 
>      X - Read Only
>      X - Hidden
>      X - System
>      X - Archive
> 
>      X - Save extended attributes
> 
>      It could also be a good idea to check on multimedia
> compression in order to get better compression.  The rest is
> merely of choice, especially the compression (six methods to
> choose) whether to be for the best compression (slowest) or no
> compression at all in simply storing the files (fastest).
>      In order to backup your OS/2 drive, simply hit the "+" key
> and push enter in order to highlight all the directories (or
> select whichever one's you intend to backup).  Push F5 in order
> to compress onto a disk/cart and use Autodetect method in order
> to ensure spanning across disks/carts (or you can specify exactly
> what size you want).  Very easy.
> 
>      Take Note: Do not use "UNRAR.EXE" to restore!
>      Otherwise you will get a "Desktop can not be found in
>      OS2.INI file, attempting to create Temporary Desktop"
>      error message, where the Temperary Desktop will also
>      fail, leaving you sitting at the PM with one OS/2
>      Window session.
> 
>      In order to restore, place RAR.EXE onto the OS/2 bootable
> diskettes.  Start RAR.EXE up, now go to wherever you have the
> file backed up to, enter it, this will allow you view the files
> that are compressed inside the archived file.  Once that is done,
> hit the "+" key and press enter in order to highlight all the
> files.  Now, press ALT-F4 in order to restore by choosing the
> destination.  Simply put in "C:" or wherever your original boot
> partition was.  Once all of it extracted, there you go.  I think
> we have a winner.
> 
> Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's) and a Warp 3
> system (FP40 applied).
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ARJ/2 (v2.62)
> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
> 
>      I confess that I have not yet tested ARJ/2, but I wouldn't
> recommend using it just yet since it is still in a beta stage,
> and does not save EA's.  But you could use EAUTIL in order to do
> this for you, but that is a bit of a chore especially since the
> other compression utilities here can do this automatically.  So
> what would be the point?
>      To enable disk spanning for ARJ/2, use:
> 
> arj a -vxxxx
> 
>      xxxx = denotes the specific size you want it to be
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>      Note: I only intend to write about currently supported
>      compression utilities.  In otherwords, LHA and ZOO for
>      instance I simply will ignore.  Neither one has been
>      updated since 1989-1993, and are relatively old and
>      obsolete given the others listed here.
> 
> Windows 95 - FAT32 (http://www.microsoft.com) - *NEW*
> 
>      So, you want to just dump OS/2 forever and head off into
> merry merry Windows 95 land?  Well, I have not had the
> opportunity to try this using Windows 95 on a VFAT partition,
> but under FAT32, there is simply no way you can backup a
> Windows 95 partition using stuff like PkZip for Windows or
> WinRAR.  The problem is that there are certain locked files
> at play.  PkZip for Windows did complete, but now you have the
> even bigger problem of trying to restore it from a bootdisk.
> Won't happen, I'm afraid.  When I tried this booting off of a
> Windows 95 boot disk, running PkZip 2.50's PkUnZip utility, it
> would not work because it complained of a lack of memory
> (apparently the FAT32 support on the bootdisk takes up a lot
> of memory as I'm always stuck with 542k conventional RAM).
> The last hope was RAR for DOS, but that too also complained of
> a lack of memory.  So, what's the point of using a Windows
> compression utility in order to backup the entire Windows 95
> partition if there is absolutely *NO* way of restoring it?
>      Now, where exactly am I going with all this?  Simple,
> thanks to the great FAT32 driver written by Henk Kelder, one
> can actually follow the exact methods listed here with the
> various compression utilities in order for OS/2 to backup
> Windows 95 through OS/2!  Using RAR/2 in the identical manner
> listed earlier will allow you to backup a Windows 95 partition.
> Once backed up, you can boot up with the Windows 95 bootdisk
> and then format the partition, re-boot back into OS/2 and use
> RAR/2 in order to restore the Windows 95 partition back to
> its previous state.  Now when you look at the disk with Norton
> Speedisk or booting Windows 95 up with a bootdisk in order to
> use ScanDisk (to see the entire disk information) you will see
> all the clusters neatly arranged in perfect order.  No
> fragmentation!  The advantage to using this method over using
> programs like Microsoft Defrag or Norton Speedisk is that they
> are not always perfect and can in fact at some times break
> files.  My motivation in going to all of this trouble was
> because after using Defrag, I found that one of my .WAV files
> in my Multimedia Themes was broken and could not be accessible.
> Imagine what else could break.
>      I have not tried using Info-ZIP or PkZip for OS/2, but
> I figure they would work with the same restrictions applied
> (ie. Info-Zip no disk spanning, PkZip needing the Presentation
> Manager).  In order to install Henk's FAT32 driver, I simply
> followed the quicky instructions he had listed in the FAT32.TXT
> file, using PARTFLT.FLT and not the OS2DASD.DMD file he had
> modifyed (on my OS/2 box it trapped as a result).  On the
> IFS=FAT32 line I did not have /EAS on (enabling Extended
> Attribute support).
>      So, do you *really* want to dump OS/2?  Didn't think
> so.  A question...could this method work with Linux?  There
> is a ext2 driver available for OS/2, that I know of.  Perhaps
> that is something else for me to try and play with! ;-)
> 
> CONCLUSION
> 
>      The best compression program for backing up OS/2 with is
> RAR/2, hands down.  Not only does it support disk spanning,

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From: weismer@erols.com                                 11-Sep-99 11:53:04
  To: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    11-Sep-99 20:32:15
Subj: (2/2) Re: Backup & Defragmentation 3.1 (Sept. 7, 1999)

> EA's, doesn't require the Presentation Manager, and can recover
> from corrupt archives, but it is also easy to use due to the
> text-based Norton Commander-like interface, so no messy command
> line switches to are necessary.  A great piece of work, indeed!
> Capable of backing up OS/2 onto another partition or onto
> multiple disks/cartridges making it right now, the emergency
> disaster recovery solution of choice out of the current crop of
> common compression utilities.
>      There are a few more coming, the next major release of
> Info-Zip (Zip 3.00 & UnZip 6.00) are being planned to support
> multiple archives.  ARJ/2 2.6x, currently in beta, is another
> possible choice to look at since it doesn't need the PM and
> supports disk spanning and recovery from corrupt archives.
> 
> BOOTOS/2 Notes:
> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu - latest version is 9.17
> 
>      There seems to be a problem with Warp Connect & FP39 when
> trying to make a BootOS/2 TARGET=x TYPE=PM partition.  It creates
> it fine, but when I boot it up, it freezes at the "OS/2" box that
> appears on the top left-hand corner.  Weird.  I could not boot
> to a PM partition (BOOTOS2 TARGET=x TYPE=PM) even when I was back
> down in FP26!  Same symptom occurs, during bootup it just freezes
> at the "OS/2" box on the top left-hand corner.  The samething
> also occurs in FP40, BTW.
>      Even making just the floppies seems to cause a small error
> with Warp 3 & Connect.  Under FP40, for instance, upon making the
> two disk system (BOOTOS2 2DISK=A) after loading up the first disk
> it would give me a blank screen and stop dead in its tracks,
> going no further.  The solution, copy SESMGR.DLL from your
> x:\OS2\DLL onto your BOOTOS2 disk 1 (A:\OS2\DLL).  This also
> happened under FP39, BTW.  If you do run into any other kind of
> problem with the BOOTOS2 floppies, press ALT-F2 upon booting up
> the diskettes just to see what happens.  On this occasion for
> example, upon pressing ALT-F2, the screen said that SESMGR.DLL
> was not installed in any of the LIBPATH directory statements on
> the diskette.
>      Warp 4 seems to have absolutely no issues whatsoever, either
> a TYPE=PM or 2DISK=A under any of the FP's I have used (FP1, FP6,
> & FP10).

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           11-Sep-99 17:48:17
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 20:32:15
Subj: Re: Help Orb SCSI on TP385XD.....

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:40:05, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) wrote:

> AFAIK the Orb wil lnot work with OS/2
>  
> The box and docos state that it will, but castlewood thenselves are
> apprently having a problem with the drivers.
>  
> Cheers,
> Craig
> 

FYI, the SCSI, and the ATAPI (EIDE)  drives DO work with OS/2. The 
other models (PP, USB) will not work without a driver, which is 
supposed to be under construction. I don't know the details about the 
SCSI, but the ATAPI (EIDE) drive needs the latest IDE driver 
(IDEDASD.EXE). Get, and READ, the README.RMS file, that comes with the
new Device Driver Fixpack (this also contains the latest <?> IDE 
driver). It has a lot of good information about using removable media 
(I don't know how much, if any, of this information applies to the 
SCSI drives).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           11-Sep-99 17:48:18
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 20:32:15
Subj: Re: Help Orb SCSI on TP385XD.....

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:55:00, "RDunham" <rdunham@inficad.com> wrote:

> The disk is Mac formatted.
>  
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>  
> Regards:  Dick
>  

You may need to use the Windows tools to get it formatted to something
that OS/2 can recognize. 

I know of, at least, one case where the disk needs to have a FAT16 
Primary  partition so that OS/2 FDISK can remove that partition, and 
then create a new partition (or multiple partitions, if you wish). The
default PC formatted disks come with an Extended partition, formatted 
to FAT16, but OS/2 FDISK complains about an invalid partition table 
(as near as I can tell, it IS an invalid partition), and it will not 
do anything with the disk. After getting it set to a FAT16 Primary 
partition (using the Win tools), OS/2 FDISK could recognize it, and 
work with it. A MAC formatted disk would, probably, be "invalid" as 
well.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       11-Sep-99 19:58:04
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 20:32:15
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Kris Kadela wrote:
> 
> Remove the hidden attribute from os2.ini and os2sys.ini and copy them.

Thats why I removed copyini from the archive....

Henk

> 
> Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> >
> > I've looked at the WPTool docs for the version I have (29)
> > and while I gather copyini's gone, I'm not sure how it's
> > been superceded.  I'd really like to copy'em about every
> > other night but how to do it without copyini?
> >
> > --
> > Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> > readme@ http://www.ray-field.com
> 
> --
> 
> **********************
> DigiGraph Technical
> http://www.dgraph.com
> **********************

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          11-Sep-99 18:34:28
  To: All                                               11-Sep-99 21:32:23
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:43:10, Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> 
wrote:

:I could still use a Linux boot floppy with a script
:just running "cp hda6.img /dev/hda6" then "diff /dev/hda6 hda6.img -q -s"

 There should be OS/2 ports of both cp.exe and diff.exe available. Try either 
ftp.leo.org, or http://hobbes.nmsu.edu

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: say@sfu.ca                                        11-Sep-99 20:58:13
  To: All                                               12-Sep-99 03:14:18
Subj: WTB: OS/2 Supersites CD wanted

From: Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca>

  I'd like to get the 4 CD set of the Superside OS2 CDROMS
issued in March 1999.
				Daniel Say
				say@sfu.ca
				ancouver, Canada

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 11-Sep-99 16:23:28
  To: All                                               12-Sep-99 04:17:17
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com> wrote:

>Remove the hidden attribute from os2.ini and os2sys.ini and copy them.

& Henk Kelder wrote 

>Thats why I removed copyini from the archive....

It was late last night when I wrote that -- sure enough, for
the last year I guess I've been using FC/2 to copy ini files
(why did they make them impossible to copy in all the
previous versions?), not sure what I was thinking... 

But then something funny happened this afternoon, when I to
do this in a batchfile to pass onto cron:

attrib -h -r L:\OS2\OS2.INI
attrib -h -r L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI
copy L:\OS2\OS2.INI I:\BACKBAX\L_ARCHIVE\OS2\
copy L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI I:\BACKBAX\L_ARCHIVE\OS2\
attrib +h +r L:\OS2\OS2.INI
attrib +h +r L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI

I get:  

  [L:\OS2]attrib -H -r OS2.INI

  [L:\OS2]attrib -H -r OS2SYS.INI

  [L:\OS2]copy L:\OS2\OS2.INI I:\BACKBAX\L_ARCHIVE\OS2\
  L:\OS2\OS2.INI
  SYS0002: The system cannot find the file specified.
        	0 file(s) copied.

  [L:\OS2]copy L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI I:\BACKBAX\K_ARCHIVE\OS2\
  L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI
  SYS0002: The system cannot find the file specified.
        0 file(s) copied.

This is the kind of thing that's usually obvious but I sure
can't figure out what's going on.

And btw, Henk -- none of us really could thank you enough.

>
>Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>> 
>> I've looked at the WPTool docs for the version I have (29)
>> and while I gather copyini's gone, I'm not sure how it's
>> been superceded.  I'd really like to copy'em about every
>> other night but how to do it without copyini?
>> 
>> --
>> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
>> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com
>
>-- 
>
>**********************
>DigiGraph Technical
>http://www.dgraph.com
>**********************

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             11-Sep-99 17:57:01
  To: All                                               12-Sep-99 04:17:18
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:23:57 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

>
>  [L:\OS2]attrib -H -r OS2.INI
>
>  [L:\OS2]attrib -H -r OS2SYS.INI
>
>  [L:\OS2]copy L:\OS2\OS2.INI I:\BACKBAX\L_ARCHIVE\OS2\
>  L:\OS2\OS2.INI
>  SYS0002: The system cannot find the file specified.
>        	0 file(s) copied.
>
>  [L:\OS2]copy L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI I:\BACKBAX\K_ARCHIVE\OS2\
>  L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI
>  SYS0002: The system cannot find the file specified.
>        0 file(s) copied.
>
>This is the kind of thing that's usually obvious but I sure
>can't figure out what's going on.

Well, my os2.ini and os2sys.ini show as having the SYSTEM (S) attrib
set but not the HIDDEN attrib.

[f:\os2]attrib os2.ini os2sys.ini
R_SA_  F:\os2\OS2.INI
R_S__  F:\os2\OS2SYS.INI

So, at least on MY system _I_ would substitute a -S for the -H  param.

Or, rather on MY system I'd really just do "zip -S9gju inibacks
\os2\os2.ini \os2\os2sys.ini"
(that's using Info-Zip of course)


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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 11-Sep-99 23:35:27
  To: All                                               12-Sep-99 05:23:09
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

"Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:23:57 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>
>>
>>  [L:\OS2]attrib -H -r OS2.INI
>>
>>  [L:\OS2]attrib -H -r OS2SYS.INI
>>
>>  [L:\OS2]copy L:\OS2\OS2.INI I:\BACKBAX\L_ARCHIVE\OS2\
>>  L:\OS2\OS2.INI
>>  SYS0002: The system cannot find the file specified.
>>        	0 file(s) copied.
>>
>>  [L:\OS2]copy L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI I:\BACKBAX\K_ARCHIVE\OS2\
>>  L:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI
>>  SYS0002: The system cannot find the file specified.
>>        0 file(s) copied.
>>
>>This is the kind of thing that's usually obvious but I sure
>>can't figure out what's going on.
>
>Well, my os2.ini and os2sys.ini show as having the SYSTEM (S) attrib
>set but not the HIDDEN attrib.
>
>[f:\os2]attrib os2.ini os2sys.ini
>R_SA_  F:\os2\OS2.INI
>R_S__  F:\os2\OS2SYS.INI
>
>So, at least on MY system _I_ would substitute a -S for the -H  param.

Thanks, got it.  Funny thing: OS2.INI needed only the system
bit changed to be copied, while OS2SYS.INI needed both.

-Ray

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  11-Sep-99 20:34:22
  To: All                                               12-Sep-99 10:18:25
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Kris Kadela wrote:

> Remove the hidden attribute from os2.ini and os2sys.ini and copy them.

Tad unnecessary perhaps..... rather like  jacking up the car to get a
bigger bucket under the sump to change the oil...    :-(   
......of course if you have a low slung sports jobby and rather a
"portly" ahemmmm waistline your mileage<groan> may literally
vary.......   <g>

> Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> >
> > I've looked at the WPTool docs for the version I have (29)
> > and while I gather copyini's gone, I'm not sure how it's
> > been superceded.

Errr... (thinking this has just gotta be a "trick" question).......  
that (basic) functionality/utility was always arguably superfluous .....
so by XCOPY perhaps?

> I'd really like to copy'em about every
> > other night but how to do it without copyini?

There's obviously more behind Raphaels question than can be answered
with the simple expedient of using (a batch file)
XCOPY   \os2\os2???.in8   \os2\*.in9  /h /t /r
.....
XCOPY   \os2\os2???.in1   \os2\*.in2  /h /t /r
XCOPY    \os2\os2???.ini    \os2\*.in1 /h /t /r
(ok - so used literally you might get OS2DAX as well depending on what
you've installed)
apart from the obvious omission of requesting how to copy the Desktop
structure as well of course <vbg>...... which if he doesn't, will
eventually cause him some disappointment later in his OS/2 life(and long
may that be of course...)......  which inevitably surely brings us back
to the whole purpose of WPS backup anyway?
Remember pre-Warp(before Desktop Archiving  took some of the drudgery
away and apparently all of some peoples mental acuity) one had to
actually "think" a little more and place appropriate RUN/CALL XCOPY
commands in the config to do however many generations you wanted.(as I
wryly recall how many "support" technicians tediously used to restore
2.xx desktops from tape rather than simply add a few trivial statements
to config for the inevitable occasion of when the user shafted the
desktop by powering off instead of shutting down!<vbg>)

Or use something like GammaTech's Sentry to do it for you with a little
more  user friendly interface to a slightly more flexible approach (at a
monetary cost of course)......

So on the "shaky" premise that you couldn't possibly be really asking
(what initially appears to be) such a (trivial) straight forward
question, whats your real objective/motive/end game plan, Ray?
Are you actually asking for details of how to get os2???.mon .wed .fri
.sun .tue .thu .sat   extensions programmatically perhaps from Date()
function? together with a Rexx scheduler even?

> >
> > --
> > Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> > readme@ http://www.ray-field.com
>
> --
>
> **********************
> DigiGraph Technical
> http://www.dgraph.com
> **********************



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"


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From: coville@localnet.com                              12-Sep-99 12:00:23
  To: All                                               12-Sep-99 14:38:15
Subj: Re: WTB: OS/2 Supersites CD wanted

From: coville@localnet.com (Brian)

On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:58:27, Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca> wrote:

>   I'd like to get the 4 CD set of the Superside OS2 CDROMS
> issued in March 1999.
> 				Daniel Say
> 				say@sfu.ca
> 				ancouver, Canada

OK, How about $25 US including shipping to Canada?

	Brian

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From: dr.fellXXX@alum.mit.edu                           12-Sep-99 14:50:00
  To: All                                               12-Sep-99 20:02:00
Subj: Re: Help Orb SCSI on TP385XD.....

From: "DrFell" <dr.fellXXX@alum.mit.edu>

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:55:00 -0700 (MST), RDunham wrote:

>
>The unit will eject the disk but will not recognize the disk to format.  It
>thinks that it is a floppy with the format window that does finally open. 
>The disk is Mac formatted.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Regards:  Dick
>
>
When confronted by similar problems with a MAC formatted ZIP
disk, all I needed to do was to fdisk it first (you lose a little
Capacity
but  WTF) then format it.

Dr. Fell



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From: jt5555@epix.net                                   12-Sep-99 20:07:11
  To: All                                               12-Sep-99 20:02:00
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: jt5555@epix.net (Julian Thomas)

In <7r8e0i$c4$1@penguin.antarctica>, on 09/09/99 
   at 03:51 PM, Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> said:

>If you have any suggestions for an easy way to do this (with a solution
>that one could give even to novice users as a means of "disaster
>recovery"), thanks in advance for your reply 

What about infozip - zip -rS to capture the files and unzip to restore?
 
-- 
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 remove numerics for email
 Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc  http://www.possi.org
 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
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From: clbaile@ibm.net                                   12-Sep-99 16:16:25
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 03:45:01
Subj: Utility Disks

From: Clint Bailey <clbaile@ibm.net>

Is it me, or has anyone ever gotten the create utility disk thing to
work.  I have been trying for years.  All I get is an error on the
bootos2.exe.
Clint

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 12-Sep-99 22:41:26
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 05:47:24
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net> wrote:

>Kris Kadela wrote:
>
>> Remove the hidden attribute from os2.ini and os2sys.ini and copy them.
>
>Tad unnecessary perhaps..... rather like  jacking up the car to get a
>bigger bucket under the sump to change the oil...    :-(   

Actually not too different from changing the oil filter on a
Moto-Guzzi :)

>von schnip>
>Errr... (thinking this has just gotta be a "trick" question).......  
>that (basic) functionality/utility was always arguably superfluous .....
>so by XCOPY perhaps?
>
>> I'd really like to copy'em about every
>> > other night but how to do it without copyini?
>
>There's obviously more behind Raphaels question than can be answered
>with the simple expedient of using (a batch file)
>XCOPY   \os2\os2???.in8   \os2\*.in9  /h /t /r
>.....
>XCOPY   \os2\os2???.in1   \os2\*.in2  /h /t /r
>XCOPY    \os2\os2???.ini    \os2\*.in1 /h /t /r
>(ok - so used literally you might get OS2DAX as well depending on what
>you've installed)

Very clever, Tony, nice.

>apart from the obvious omission of requesting how to copy the Desktop
>structure as well of course <vbg>...... which if he doesn't, will
>eventually cause him some disappointment later in his OS/2 life(and long
>may that be of course...)......  which inevitably surely brings us back
>to the whole purpose of WPS backup anyway?

Fortunately I don't change my desktop structure very often,
so when I had to do that complete reinstall I was pretty
lucky, but you're quite right, and luck was all there was to
it.

So I'll bite: is there anything more to archiving my Desktop
structure (I admit I'd thought this was included in the ini
files) than just zipping it up with the EAs?

>Remember pre-Warp(before Desktop Archiving  took some of the drudgery
>away and apparently all of some peoples mental acuity) one had to
>actually "think" a little more and place appropriate RUN/CALL XCOPY
>commands in the config to do however many generations you wanted.(as I
>wryly recall how many "support" technicians tediously used to restore
>2.xx desktops from tape rather than simply add a few trivial statements
>to config for the inevitable occasion of when the user shafted the
>desktop by powering off instead of shutting down!<vbg>)
>
>Or use something like GammaTech's Sentry to do it for you with a little
>more  user friendly interface to a slightly more flexible approach (at a
>monetary cost of course)......

I actually bought the GammaTech utilities way back when, but
I've since switched to Graham, which doesn't really pay much
heed to WPS stuff...


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: pet_doctor@yahoo.com                              12-Sep-99 21:30:00
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 05:47:24
Subj: dfrag hpfs?

From: "Dr. Robert Butler" <pet_doctor@yahoo.com>

Is there a free program for defragging HPFS or should I
even worry about it?

Dr. Robert Butler
pet_doctor@yahoo.com


Posted Using: J Street Mailer (build 99.1.9.pvk (19990912))

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From: rhb@accessv.com                                   13-Sep-99 06:34:05
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 05:47:24
Subj: Re: dfrag hpfs?

From: "Rob Burton" <rhb@accessv.com>

If you can measure any degradation of program performance in reading from or
writing to disk (very unlikely with HPFS), you can get instant defragging by
copying to another HPFS drive the drive contents with XCOPY source target
switches, where switches = /H /O /T /S /E /R /V, formatting the HPFS drive,
and XCOPYING back. For free utilities, hunt on Hobbes (HOBBES.NMSU.EDU) with
your browswer.

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:30:00 PST, Dr. Robert Butler wrote:

|Is there a free program for defragging HPFS or should I
|even worry about it?
|
|Dr. Robert Butler
|pet_doctor@yahoo.com
|
|
|Posted Using: J Street Mailer (build 99.1.9.pvk (19990912))



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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        13-Sep-99 06:14:05
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 10:36:28
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:
 
> Dave Critelli wrote:

> > > I use xcopy for this in my backup routine.  I copy the entire drive to a
> > > removable one.  If I need to restore it, I just reverse the procedure.
> > > The command line for me is:
> > > xcopy "source path" "target drive letter:" /s /e /v /h /t /r /o

> > A helpful hint.
> > Realign you switch to read: "/h /o /t /s /e /r /v"
> > It's easier to remember.
 
> You haven't heard the old mnenomic, "Sunday Every Village Housefrau Throws
> Rats Out"?

Don't need /s anyway. /e implies /s. hotserv is just easier to remember.
-- 
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes
wisdom.                Proverbs 11:2 NKJV

 Team OS/2

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net

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From: ahc@YY.lanl.gov                                   13-Sep-99 08:50:24
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 14:52:06
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: "Allen Cogbill" <ahc@YY.lanl.gov>

On 9 Sep 1999 15:51:14 +0200, Andreas Grosche wrote:

>I am looking for a "fool-proof" solution for writing the image of a whole
>HPFS partition back to a hard disk. Of the operating systems at my disposal,
>Linux and OS/2 are the ones that can access hard disks of all relevant
>sizes, while Linux also has an easy way of copying the entire partition
>into an image file (e.g. by a simple "cp /dev/hdc6 /dos/hdc6.img") and even
>permits to remount this image in just a matter of seconds through the loop
>device ("mount /dos/hdc6.img /warp -t hpfs -o loop=/dev/loop3") as if the
>original hard disk still was there (is there any means to do anything like
>it with a hard disk partition's image file under OS/2, by the way ?).
>
>An image obtained this way can easily be burned to a CD-ROM under any
>operating system, despite the limited capacities of the ISO file system.
>
>Now what I need is a fool-proof way to write back this image file from a
>rudimentary OS/2 or Linux system (e.g. based on the single-floppy tomsrtbt)
>booted from an "emergency disk", which should ideally only ask its users
>to insert the appropriate CD-ROM, query them whether they really want to
>replace the entire partition's contents, to then start copying the image
>over the original hard disk partition and (to detect any hardware failure)
>verify whether the new partition contents and the image compare OK.
>
>If you have any suggestions for an easy way to do this (with a solution
>that one could give even to novice users as a means of "disaster recovery"),
>thanks in advance for your reply (also by eMail to
ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de).
>
>GreetinX/2
>
>Andreas Grosche <ten@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

I don't have a 'fool-proof' method, but one method that may work for you
is to use zip to archive the entire partition. Unzip will then recover it.
For example, starting from the root directory of a logical drive,

zip -r -S x:\image.zip *

will place the entire contents of the HPFS partition, including hidden and
system files as well as EAs, into the zip archive (on drive 'x:'). Unzipping
the 
archive from the root directory will recover it.

I use this method to back up partitions onto removable media (e.g., a Jaz or 
SyJet drive). The emergency diskettes are simply OS/2 bootable diskettes with
the proper support for the removable media installed. Should work with a CD,
as 
well, though you may need an intermediate step. I have cloned systems this
way.

BTW, I ALWAYS test the integrity of the zip archive after writing it:

zip -T x:\image.zip 

tests the archive.

Allen Cogbill



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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 13-Sep-99 16:59:15
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 16:50:03
Subj: Re: Help Orb SCSI on TP385XD.....

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

Oh right.  I learn something new every day :)


doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett) wrote:

>FYI, the SCSI, and the ATAPI (EIDE)  drives DO work with OS/2. The 
>other models (PP, USB) will not work without a driver, which is 
>supposed to be under construction. I don't know the details about the 
>SCSI, but the ATAPI (EIDE) drive needs the latest IDE driver 
>(IDEDASD.EXE). Get, and READ, the README.RMS file, that comes with the
>new Device Driver Fixpack (this also contains the latest <?> IDE 
>driver). It has a lot of good information about using removable media 
>(I don't know how much, if any, of this information applies to the 
>SCSI drives).


Craig

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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 13-Sep-99 17:04:08
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 16:50:03
Subj: Re: Utility Disks

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

Its pretty broken at the moment.  Recent (as in the last year at
least) fixpacks have patched the files that are supposed to live on
the diskettes and they are now too large to fit.  All kinds of weird
errors result from this.

With Warp 3 Connect I've generally been able to get by.  Some fast
deleting of files on the diskette that I know I don't need -while- the
diskette creation is taking place does the trick (got to be real fast
with the keyboard there).

With Warp4, you get the option to use existing files, or the original
files from the CDROM.  Use the CDROM option as they will al lbe the
right size and diskette creation will work.

You can then manually patch the diskettes to use the latest idedasd
etc.  You will need to delete some of the oldish proprietry CDROM
drivers to make space.

Craig


Clint Bailey <clbaile@ibm.net> wrote:

>Is it me, or has anyone ever gotten the create utility disk thing to
>work.  I have been trying for years.  All I get is an error on the
>bootos2.exe.
>Clint
>

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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           13-Sep-99 17:39:21
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 16:50:03
Subj: mkisofs directories

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

Could some kind person enlighten me, please ...

I have mkisofs working just fine, but I cannot work out how to feed it
directory names. Let me give two examples:

1) How do I specify the path so that the whole of my C:\ drive will
   (after cdrecord) appear identically on the CD. So, for example,
   I want c:\config.sys to end up as e:\config.sys

2) How do I specify a path so that a sub-directory of the C:\ drive
   becomes the root directory of the CD. So, for example, I want
   c:\data\file1.dat        -> e:\file1.dat
   c:\data\subdir\file2.dat -> e:\subdir\file2.dat

The manuals I have, though full, are for Un*x systems and don't make the above
at all clear to me.

Ian

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           13-Sep-99 18:00:13
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 16:50:03
Subj: Re: dfrag hpfs?

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:30:00, "Dr. Robert Butler" 
<pet_doctor@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is there a free program for defragging HPFS or should I
> even worry about it?
> 
> Dr. Robert Butler
> pet_doctor@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> Posted Using: J Street Mailer (build 99.1.9.pvk (19990912))


Because of the way that HPFS works, it is unlikely that you will have 
any serious fragmentation, unless you don't have very much room on the
drive. There are a couple of programs, designed to defrag an HPFS 
drive, but  the asiest way to defrag it is to back it up (using an 
OS/2 backup program), format, and restore it. (this has the added 
advantage that it tests your backup program <g>).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           13-Sep-99 18:00:14
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 16:50:03
Subj: Re: Utility Disks

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:16:51, Clint Bailey <clbaile@ibm.net> wrote:

> Is it me, or has anyone ever gotten the create utility disk thing to
> work.  I have been trying for years.  All I get is an error on the
> bootos2.exe.
> Clint
> 

Some of the later fix packs supply updated programs that are to big to
fit on the diskettes. There are many places to look for help, one of 
them is on the OS/2 device driver web page 
(http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm - sorry, I 
don't remember which section).

My, prefered, solution is to use BOOTOS2 (perhaps, the same thing that
you are refering to??? The create Utility diskette function is another
program, supplied with OS/2) You should get the LATEST, which is 
BOOTOS2 v 09.21 (look for BOOTOS2.EXE, or BTOS2920.EXE at Hobbes, or 
LEO). The file is a self extracting ZIP file, and should create the 
files required to run the program (along with the instructions). If it
won't extract the files, you probably have a bad download. You may 
still have problems, but there are some tools available that it will 
use to help fix the problem (READ the BOOTOS2 docs).

If you STILL have problems, let us know, and someone should be able to
suggest what to do.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: r.dunham@onsemi.com                               13-Sep-99 12:49:25
  To: All                                               13-Sep-99 19:48:26
Subj: Orb SCSI & TP385XD

From: "Richard M. Dunham" <r.dunham@onsemi.com>

FYI:  Just wanted to let everyone know that my new Orb device is working
well under OS/2 with FP11 and the new DDpak updates.

Received a quick note from Lenard who mentioned that in order to get the
unit to work just FDISK the cartridge which I then did and then
reformatted it for HPFS.  I can copy, eject, to/from, etc.  Working
great!

Thanks Lenard!

Regards:  Dick



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From: norrisg@nospamlinkline.com                        13-Sep-99 18:47:08
  To: All                                               14-Sep-99 18:43:06
Subj: Re: Utility Disks

From: "Graham" <norrisg@nospamlinkline.com>

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:16:51 -0500, Clint Bailey wrote:

This is what you have to do:

1. Clean the cobwebs, birds nests etc. out of your floppy drive if not
used recently
2. Make sure you have newly formatted diskettes
3. If you have replaced the boot-up logo (file ?:\OS2LOGO), replace it
with the original for the duration
4. Open an OS/2 window and watch the 2nd diskette being built (using DIR).
Delete files you don't need as they get put on it. For most people all the
IBM2* files can be removed (who uses MCA these days?). Updated files will
be put on there twice, delete them both times. AIC7870.ADD has grown huge
between GA and FP11, delete it too, you can always get the GA one back off
the CD later if you actually need it. You can even delete ones you know
you need in order to make sure everything fits (note which ones you hit!),
then remove others at your leisure and make sure you put the ones you do
need back
5. If the thing traps anyway (typically on the first diskette), reformat
the diskette(s) used so far and start again
6. Edit CONFIG.SYS on the second diskette to stop it loading things you
deleted.

Eventually, you'll win! Don't forget to restore your boot logo if you
changed it.

Graham.

>Is it me, or has anyone ever gotten the create utility disk thing to
>work.  I have been trying for years.  All I get is an error on the
>bootos2.exe.
>Clint
>



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From: kris@dgraph.com                                   13-Sep-99 20:21:12
  To: All                                               14-Sep-99 18:43:06
Subj: Re: command line aliases

From: Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>

YAOS would do what you need (Yet Another OS/2 Shell) found on Hobbes

jogood@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to do command line aliases as in Unix?  I'm nuts about
dircolors but don't like typing it all the time.

-- 

**********************
DigiGraph Technical
http://www.dgraph.com
**********************

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      14-Sep-99 06:57:26
  To: All                                               14-Sep-99 18:43:06
Subj: Re: command line aliases

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <37dd96d6@news3.prserv.net>,
  jogood@ibm.net wrote:

> Is there a way to do command line aliases as in Unix?  I'm nuts about
> dircolors but don't like typing it all the time.

Well, don't quote me on this, but have you tried one of the ported
Shells? (ie: sh, csh, or tcsh?) They probably support aliases exactly
the same was as *nix.

Alternately, write a .cmd to do it, putting it in the path before the
executable. Ie:

Start -ls.cmd-
@echo off
x:\pathtofile\ls.exe -options %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
End -ls.cmd-

(The %'s allow for other command-line options, up to 9 more, FYI.)

Good luck!

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      14-Sep-99 03:14:23
  To: All                                               14-Sep-99 20:40:18
Subj: Re: command line aliases

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid      (John Thompson)

In <37dd96d6@news3.prserv.net>, jogood@ibm.net writes:

>Is there a way to do command line aliases as in Unix?  I'm nuts
>about dircolors but don't like typing it all the time.

There's at least a couple ways.  First, you could run one the the
many Unix shells that have been ported to OS/2, eg bash or tsch 
or you could run one of the home-brew OS/2 shells like YAOS or 
4OS2.  My vote goes to 4OS2 (http://www.jpsoft.com) but I've been
using it for enough years that the other ones still feel a little
clumsy.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: mail@ridax.se                                     14-Sep-99 19:17:26
  To: All                                               14-Sep-99 20:40:18
Subj: Re: Remote Control Client for OS/2 Warp 3 Connect?

From: mail@ridax.se (Mikael Wahlgren)

>I'm looking for a  Remote Control Client running on OS/2 Warp3. The
>controler could run on OS/2, DOS or Windows.

You can use our PM2You remote control product.  Download a demo from our WEB
site at http://welcome.to/ridax.  It will let you remote control the OS/2
Desktop from another OS/2 or Windows machine, or even an ordinary WEB browser
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Ridax programutveckling - PM2You/OS2You Remote Control for OS/2
FTP 194.52.57.138 - http://welcome.to/ridax
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  To: All                                               15-Sep-99 03:00:27
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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             14-Sep-99 17:00:27
  To: All                                               15-Sep-99 11:00:22
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:41:53 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

>>Or use something like GammaTech's Sentry to do it for you with a little
>>more  user friendly interface to a slightly more flexible approach (at a
>>monetary cost of course)......

Or use ROBOSAVE which is absolutely FREE (it's IBM EWS for OS/2) and
has worked flawlessly ever since OS/2 2.1 days. It does what the
Desktop Archive does but doesn't limit you to the Desktop ONLY, or
startup only, nor does it limit the number of backups you can make. It
can actually be used as a complete backup solution -- provided you have
the disk space! And it's locked file copy utility (robosvut) can be
used in other ways. I and others I have known have used it innumerable
times to restore a trashed desktop and .ini files and I've never heard
of it failing.


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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  15-Sep-99 02:27:29
  To: All                                               15-Sep-99 11:00:22
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Felix Miata wrote:

> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
>
> > Dave Critelli wrote:
>
> > > > I use xcopy for this in my backup routine.  I copy the entire drive to 
a
> > > > removable one.  If I need to restore it, I just reverse the procedure.
> > > > The command line for me is:
> > > > xcopy "source path" "target drive letter:" /s /e /v /h /t /r /o
>
> > > A helpful hint.
> > > Realign you switch to read: "/h /o /t /s /e /r /v"
> > > It's easier to remember.
>
> > You haven't heard the old mnenomic, "Sunday Every Village Housefrau Throws
> > Rats Out"?
>
> Don't need /s anyway. /e implies /s. hotserv is just easier to remember.

Well Well..... personally I didn't appreciate that? 
So /e(mpty) directories to be included also inherits(or has) included
the functionality of /s(ub) directories as well by your rational<vbg>?
So I can quite safely specify /e instead of /s and apart from also
including empty directories it WILL ALSO include all subdirectories?..
.....really?
Thus also implying that the XCOPY help must be totally wrong when it
says(to paraphrase):
"/e when used WITH /s will create subdirectories on target  from source
subdirs on source not containing any files?.
(The /s on it's own will not create a subdir on target if no files exist
in subdir of source). "

Ummmm.......   I'm admittedly only at  OS2V4 + FP9 but could you
possibly think of any reason why this doesn't actually work EXACTLY as
you intimate on my system?<g>

So /h /o /t /e /r /v    is supposed to be functionally equivalent to 
/h /o /t /s /e /r /v eh?...
If so I guess Buddy will have to re-define his mnemonic to:
"Hats Off To Erroneous Ridiculous Verbalisers"  <vbg>

To be scrupously fair it's entirely possibly you were just implying
exactly the above and that /e  can only be effectively used with /s
anyway, but that seems to be a dangerously ambiguous way to state that
on hindsight perhaps?
So did I completely mis(understood) some clever technical play on
words/parameters here (again....<yawn>....)?

> --
> When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes
> wisdom.                Proverbs 11:2 NKJV

>  Team OS/2
>
> Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net

 --
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"Too much self acclaimed knowledge inevitable produces a pompous
arrogance"
(my ex IBM manager to me having focussed on one of my many interpersonal
skill failures during our annual "chat"....)   :-(

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  15-Sep-99 01:52:03
  To: All                                               15-Sep-99 11:00:22
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

> So I'll bite: is there anything more to archiving my Desktop
> structure (I admit I'd thought this was included in the ini
> files) than just zipping it up with the EAs?
>

I'm probably suffering from my usual comprehension problem plus my
idosyncratic tendency towards the pendantic...     but perhaps you
really are meaning"....zipping up \Desktop ....all it's subdirs/files
and EA's....." than just
"....zipping up the ini files WITH ITS SPECIFIC EA's... per se" ?
Possibly your response was ambiguous and could be intepreted either way
perhaps?

...and depends on what you define as Desktop structure.....if you mean
Desktop directory structure + its EA's + INI's + "something else
possibly".....?

No matter - let me allude to (part of an) answer by asking several
questions(carefull...could be a trick one included<g>): 
1. If you don't include \Os2\DLL\dock??.cfg,scenter.cfg would you expect
to be able to restore your original(assuming its been customised of
course) WarpCenter along with your Desktop?
2. So would you also be able to restore your customised Launchpad or
would you need to also backup a \Nowhere1 directory?
3. Where do Abstract objects reside as opposed to Transient ones?

Perhaps you don't use or heavily customise LP and/or WC to warrant
including these in your Desktop scenario?<g>

I must admit to being somewhat paranoid personally in ensuring that I
have more than 1 alternative "belt & multiple braces" approach so that
my OS2 desktop trousers don't end up round my ankles by having to do a
total restore from backup<g>.
Thus Henks superlitive and highly recommended WPTOOLS WPSbackup has
gotta be Number one.... and this coupled with OS/2 Desktop Archives may
be all you ever need unless your a compulsive "fiddler" like me<g>....
Unimaint portable and std WPS backup could be two more....
Unimaint EA (or other shareware) backups of \Desktop EA's....
GammyLeg Sentry......
SaveFolder....Robosave.....etc
OS2 Desktop Archiving with judicious inclusion of additional
files(already alluded to) in OS2.KEY....
Even manually copying \Desktop..... and ini's as discussed

> >Remember pre-Warp(before Desktop Archiving  took some of the drudgery
> >away and apparently all of some peoples mental acuity) one had to
> >actually "think" a little more and place appropriate RUN/CALL XCOPY
> >commands in the config to do however many generations you wanted.(as I
> >wryly recall how many "support" technicians tediously used to restore
> >2.xx desktops from tape rather than simply add a few trivial statements
> >to config for the inevitable occasion of when the user shafted the
> >desktop by powering off instead of shutting down!<vbg>)
> >
> >Or use something like GammaTech's Sentry to do it for you with a little
> >more  user friendly interface to a slightly more flexible approach (at a
> >monetary cost of course)......
>
> I actually bought the GammaTech utilities way back when, but
> I've since switched to Graham, which doesn't really pay much
> heed to WPS stuff...

I've certainly no intention of disparaging GLU or your choice (I
don't/havn't used GLU myself for eons),  but IMHO the WPS(or it's
critical files) is usually the key weak point......  (pretty bl**dy
obvious statement on reflection....).... so how specifically is your
version of GLU "limited" wrt "...doesn't really pay much heed to WPS
stuff..."?
Apart from offering HPFS /FS utilities I thought this was next most
important objective towards maintaining a healthy OS/2 system?

I mean GammaTech Sentry should allow you to automatically backup
Desktop(directories) + INI's (+ any optional files you care to
specify).  So if EA's get shagged on Desktop(directories) or INI's
corrupted(or you simply wanted an alternative Desktop) you can restore
quite trivially without worrying about all the previous jiggery pokery
of doing manually invoked backups perhaps....
Doesn't GLU offer equivalent functionality then?  Does it depend on
relative versions of each product we're attempting to compare?

Of course, if we start discussing other file corruption or damage on FAT
EA file or EA's other than the Desktop directory ones then we arguably
digress into a semantical debate as to whether this is really Desktop
related per se .......

It's a long time since I used FAT with OS/2(other than on purely
DATA/APP partitions) to remember all the limitations on various
options/alternatives paraded above...... but if (unlike HPFS) the EA's
on FAT are stuffed into a seperate standalone file rather than attached
to specific file/dir index then simply xcopying for example \Desktop
(directories) won't recover your desktop if that single (EA) file gets
corrupted(and CHKDSK doesn't fix either)?
Again surely Henks utility that recreates "Desktop" basically from icon
files and script settings is more generically reliable (irrespective of
FS) than one that doesn't specifically strip and copy the associated
EA's seperately?
But trying to restore or manipulate that single EA file on FAT boot
drive always seemed such a nightmare "hack" fraught with frustration
that HPFS was always more elegantly preferrable to my way of thinking
anyway?....
That sort of FAT EA damage always seemed better resolved by totally
restoring from tape/backup whereas HPFS gave you lots more options of
(more easily) selectively only replacing/restoring just the broken
bits.   -  If that bl**dy FAT EA file doesn't go back in the right place
with correct attributes and all it's internal pointers pointing to
correct clusters then it's a pointerless(pun<g>) excercise anyway...as
at worst the desktop fails or at best you find all/most of icons for
filesystem objects are crabbed!  :-(

So to answer your question "Is there anything more to archiving my
Desktop....." properly would undoubtedly require a more complete and
authoritative answer from the likes of Henk Kelder especially if this
also covers FAT?
However as he's already kindly assisted by rescuing me previously from
the hole I dug myself by attempting to discuss something I'm not totally
expert in then I guess I can't expect him to keep repeating the
exercise?.....at least not without a lot more "grovelling" and forelock
touching on my part<vbg>.

> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"


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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       15-Sep-99 23:11:28
  To: All                                               16-Sep-99 04:30:10
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Tony Wright wrote:
> 
> Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> 
> > So I'll bite: is there anything more to archiving my Desktop
> > structure (I admit I'd thought this was included in the ini
> > files) than just zipping it up with the EAs?
> >
> 
> 1. If you don't include \Os2\DLL\dock??.cfg,scenter.cfg would you expect
> to be able to restore your original(assuming its been customised of
> course) WarpCenter along with your Desktop?

One must include these to be able to restore the warpcenter.

> 2. So would you also be able to restore your customised Launchpad or
> would you need to also backup a \Nowhere1 directory?

There are no physical (file system) objects in the Nowhere directory.
The objects that are in the nowhere directory are stored in OS2.INI. So
by zipping that INI you do enough.

> 3. Where do Abstract objects reside as opposed to Transient ones?

Their persistent storage is in OS2.INI. (PM_Abstract:Objects)

> Perhaps you don't use or heavily customise LP and/or WC to warrant
> including these in your Desktop scenario?<g>
> 

> Thus Henks superlitive and highly recommended WPTOOLS WPSbackup has
> gotta be Number one.... 

The difference in my approach is that I try to create a way to be able
to recreate the objects (on the same OR on an other machine)

> Again surely Henks utility that recreates "Desktop" basically from icon
> files and script settings is more generically reliable (irrespective of
> FS) than one that doesn't specifically strip and copy the associated
> EA's seperately?

At least it is a more portable mechanism.

> But trying to restore or manipulate that single EA file on FAT boot
> drive always seemed such a nightmare "hack" fraught with frustration
> that HPFS was always more elegantly preferrable to my way of thinking
> anyway?....

As I recall there do exists EA backup programs. (I've written on myself,
but never published it. One could use those to save all ea's). But
basically, most EA's (except the ones for the desktop directory itself)
are not critical. They can be restored by manually setting the folders
properties or by reassinging icons. etc. Only special folders like the
desktop itself and the drives folder (and others) will loose their class
and revert to plain folders thereby loosing functionality.
 
> So to answer your question "Is there anything more to archiving my
> Desktop....." properly would undoubtedly require a more complete and
> authoritative answer from the likes of Henk Kelder especially if this
> also covers FAT?

Basically, by backing up the INI's, zipping the desktop structure(with
an EA aware zipper) and saving the files you mentioned from OS2\DLL will
do very well. That is also what the archive mechanisme does, although
the WC is not restored ok.

Henk

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From: bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net                        15-Sep-99 19:12:13
  To: All                                               16-Sep-99 04:30:10
Subj: Re: Writing back image of whole HPFS partition from boot disk + CD-ROM 

From: Felix Miata <bogus.due2UCE@atlantic.net>

Tony Wright wrote:
 
> Felix Miata wrote:
 
> > Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> > > Dave Critelli wrote:

> > > > > I use xcopy for this in my backup routine.  I copy the entire drive
to a
> > > > > removable one.  If I need to restore it, I just reverse the
procedure.
> > > > > The command line for me is:
> > > > > xcopy "source path" "target drive letter:" /s /e /v /h /t /r /o

> > > > A helpful hint.
> > > > Realign you switch to read: "/h /o /t /s /e /r /v"
> > > > It's easier to remember.

> > > You haven't heard the old mnenomic, "Sunday Every Village Housefrau
Throws
> > > Rats Out"?

> > Don't need /s anyway. /e implies /s. hotserv is just easier to remember.

> Well Well..... personally I didn't appreciate that?

???

> So /e(mpty) directories to be included also inherits(or has) included
> the functionality of /s(ub) directories as well by your rational<vbg>?
> So I can quite safely specify /e instead of /s and apart from also
> including empty directories it WILL ALSO include all subdirectories?..
> .....really?
> Thus also implying that the XCOPY help must be totally wrong when it
> says(to paraphrase):
> "/e when used WITH /s will create subdirectories on target  from source
> subdirs on source not containing any files?.
> (The /s on it's own will not create a subdir on target if no files exist
> in subdir of source). "

That looks miswritten to me.

> Ummmm.......   I'm admittedly only at  OS2V4 + FP9 but could you
> possibly think of any reason why this doesn't actually work EXACTLY as
> you intimate on my system?<g>

It doesn't? Exactly how does it fail?
 
> So /h /o /t /e /r /v    is supposed to be functionally equivalent to
> /h /o /t /s /e /r /v eh?...
> If so I guess Buddy will have to re-define his mnemonic to:
> "Hats Off To Erroneous Ridiculous Verbalisers"  <vbg>
 
> To be scrupously fair it's entirely possibly you were just implying
> exactly the above and that /e  can only be effectively used with /s
> anyway, but that seems to be a dangerously ambiguous way to state that
> on hindsight perhaps?
> So did I completely mis(understood) some clever technical play on
> words/parameters here (again....<yawn>....)?

I haven't done it in some time, but I used to copy a drive's entire
directory structure only to floppy disk (no files) simply thus:

	XCOPY		[source drive]:\stuffthatdoesn'texist	[target drive]:\ /E

Since the result is a complete directory structure, simply substituting
* for "stuffthatdoestn'exist" ought to add all files, subject the
existence of hidden, system, etc files requiring the other switches.
-- 
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes
wisdom.                Proverbs 11:2 NKJV

 Team OS/2

Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net


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From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu                          18-Sep-99 00:11:24
  To: All                                               17-Sep-99 21:30:15
Subj: Re: How to copy ini files?

From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Tony Wright 
<horseman@ibm.net>],
who wrote in article <37E277EA.72C49685@ibm.net>:
> My gratitude yet again to the esteemed Henk for kindly taking time out
> once again to educate us ignorant users <g>...
> However the lesson is not quite over....

Related question: Has anyone C code to (alternatively, is it possible to):

  a) list all the (CORBA?) objects on the system;

  b) reconstruct relationship between objects (like
     container<->contained, and meta<->instance)?

  c) Given an object, query the all the "properties" of the object
     (which "attributes" does it "have", which "methods" one can call
     on the object),

  d) Write a file which is a representation of a state of the object
     (if "c" is impossible, otherwise "attributes" are just such a
     representation).

I cannot grok WPS documentation without such samples...  If I had such
a sample code, I could write a Perl package which would encupsulate
this to make answering many questions like ones in the sited post much
more manageable.

Say, with current Perl packages here is how to backup EA:

  perl -MOS2::ExtAttr -MData::Dumper -e \
       "tie %h, 'OS2::ExtAttr', shift; print Dumper \%h" filename

(restoring is similar).  Here is how to backup .INI:

  perl -MOS2::PrfDB -MData::Dumper -e \
       "tie %h, 'OS2::PrfDB', shift; print Dumper \%h" filename

(well, of course one also needs to make the output file into binmode).

[With the above approach one can even *edit* the output if you know
 what you want to do.]

Ilya

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