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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    27-Aug-99 21:47:01
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:24
Subj: Re: Lotus Web Site Fixed

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Sander Nyman <nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void> writes:
> I am fairly certain that anyone needing the Lotus Smart Suite update to
> v1.1.1 has already downloaded it from Hobbes.  

I did that, but what do I do next? There's no installation program and no
instructions.

Pierre
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From: jana.persson@telia.com                            27-Aug-99 22:29:17
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:24
Subj: Image compression

From: "Jan A" <jana.persson@telia.com>

Anyone know of any REALLY efficient image compression utility? The type
image I need compressed is a 200 dpi/256 grays with mostly printed text and
lines on it. In the BMP format, the image is just above 1 MB in size and I
need it to be under 10K. Lossy compression OK but have to be able to read
handwritten text after decompression and printout.

The amount of grays is actually mostly noise, so the closest I've come this
far was to reduce the amount of grays to 2 and use GIF89a, that took it down
to some 17K. But I desperately need to get rid of another 10K or so. Would
IFS do it (fractals)? Wavelets? I have no experience with those.

A clue, anyone?

/Jan A

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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            27-Aug-99 23:53:04
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:24
Subj: Re: Networking 2 home computers...

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

In that case, you need a crossover cable.

devlin wrote:

> Hub not needed for networking two computers if you use a 4 wire
> ethernet cable.
>
> I am running my two computer network with one NIC card in each and one
> 4 wire eithernet cable and it works fantastic!
>
> Hub only needed if you are going to be connecting more than two.
>
> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:06:10 -0700, Dane <localhost@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> >Philip Wright wrote:
> >>
> >> A 3COM OfficeConnect 4 port hub is dirt cheap (~$40).
> >> Rather than fool with crossover cables I would recommend
> >> a hub for simplicity and expandability.
> >>
> >> Philip Wright
> >
> >I'll take a $7 Cat 5 crossover cable anyday of the week
> >over a $40 hub. Add to it a pair of Pro 100 Ethernet
> >cards and you have a very fast network.
> >
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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 27-Aug-99 16:34:06
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:24
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite Updated to v1.1.1

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <37c56229.1743813@news.omen.net.au>, on 08/26/99 
   at 03:51 PM, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>There is a small list of fixes.  The main problem we have is that 123
>still cannot print to a net printer nor print to pmfax.  As such, its

Have you installed the updated FxPrint driver available at the Keller
site?

Steven

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From: jwhite@nettally.com                               27-Aug-99 19:08:20
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:24
Subj: Re: Networking 2 home computers...

From: "Joe" <jwhite@nettally.com>

I believe you need a cross-over cable if not usinga hub

Joe


devlin <devlin@together.net> wrote in message
news:37c5f6da.21066893@news.together.net...
> Hub not needed for networking two computers if you use a 4 wire
> ethernet cable.
>
> I am running my two computer network with one NIC card in each and one
> 4 wire eithernet cable and it works fantastic!
>
> Hub only needed if you are going to be connecting more than two.



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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 27-Aug-99 16:55:09
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:25
Subj: Re: Lotus Web Site Fixed

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <7q710m$kf$1@news.panix.com>, on 08/27/99 
   at 09:47 PM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:

>I did that, but what do I do next? There's no installation program and no
>instructions.

Go to the Lotus site and read the install instructions. :)

Seriously, just save copies of the old files and copy the new ones in
place.  There's one that needs to be renamed.

HTH,

Steven

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From: ricsha@rainlore.demon.co.uk                       28-Aug-99 00:26:10
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:25
Subj: Re: Anyone using a yamaha 4416s with os2????

From: ricsha@rainlore.demon.co.uk

On 27 Aug 1999 08:05:39 EDT, fledermaus <fledermaus@ibm.net> wrote:

>Ref:     Append at 00:06:26 on 99/08/27 GMT (by mystix1210@my-deja.com)
>Mine works fine under w95, os/2warp and linux.  I did not update
>firmware to g (the update would not work) so am currently on f.

Just performed the upgrade to g here, or rather, on a friend's system
running Win 98 - unfortunately, the upgrade utility will only run and
work correctly from a DOS window under 9x. One oddity - Win 98 seems
to insist on resetting the SCSI ID of the controller to ID0, so make
sure to have the correct parameter in the command, i.e.,
scinst sca99422.bin n 0
where n = SCSI ID of the 4416S.

Worked like a charm here, so at least 9x has proved useful for
*something* for a change... ;-)

>I am using an adaptec scsi pci 2906 and also have an astra1120x scanner
>attached.

Aren't the Adaptec 29xx series originally Future Domain controllers?
And, does your card have a BIOS? (IIRC, a controller with BIOS is
required for the upgrade?)


HTH


Ric

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From: ispalten@austin.rr.com                            28-Aug-99 00:17:08
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:25
Subj: Re: DD 1 fixpak: Bad flashpoint driver

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@austin.rr.com>

Please let me know all the FLASHPOINT drivers you used, date and
timestamps please. Want to look at this further.

You can send it to me at ispalten@us.ibm.com. There are more than one
version floating around, some from Mylex, some from us, and probably
others too...

Irv

James Moe wrote:
> 
> "Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
> >
> > Interesting.  I don't use the flashpoint driver, but using the WPS
> > functions of BA/2 on a WSeB system locks it up tight.  If I use BA/2 in
> > command line mode, it works fine. I wonder if it's really the flashpoint
> > driver that causes BA/2 to hang you up?
> >
>     Yes. It is definitely the driver. I restored the old one and BA2
> works fine like it used to.
> 
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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 28-Aug-99 01:02:22
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:25
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite Updated to v1.1.1

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net wrote:

>In <37c56229.1743813@news.omen.net.au>, on 08/26/99 
>   at 03:51 PM, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:
>
>>There is a small list of fixes.  The main problem we have is that 123
>>still cannot print to a net printer nor print to pmfax.  As such, its
>
>Have you installed the updated FxPrint driver available at the Keller
>site?

No, I have a more recent version of the pmfax package (not the one
from the Warp CD).

Cheers,
Craig

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From: szrob@ns.net                                      28-Aug-99 01:59:28
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 03:31:25
Subj: OS2 and Laptops

From: szrob@ns.net (John Roberts)

Greetings all;

 I have spent all of my computer time on desk tops. Recently, I have been told 

that I might be the proud new owner of a Toshiba laptop of some kind. A friend 

works at a hospital that is up grading to a newer model and will dispose of 
some seventy laptops.  Is Warp4 a reasonable os for what might not be a state 
of art processor?  Memory will probaly be 8 megs or so. 
  Also, does anyone know of a web site that talks about laptops?  I don't know 

the first thing about them; only that the price's have never come down, like 
pc's.
TIA

John Roberts
szrob@ns.net

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From: an479@lafn.org                                    27-Aug-99 19:24:27
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:12
Subj: CHKDSK.LOG files

From: J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org>

The enhanced OS/2 v4 CHKDSK generates log files that require a special 
utility to read.  I need to read them, and cannot recall what that 
utility is called; nor can I find any reference to it in on-line or 
off-line help.  Great planning, IBM!

Anyone know what it is and how to use it?

Jack P.  -  jnpf@usa.net



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From: williamd1@ibm.net                                 28-Aug-99 04:05:02
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:12
Subj: Re: foreign language versions?

From: williamd1@ibm.net (williamd1)

Thanks for the info. I think I have found the site, but didn't see any
ref to fgn language versions or the complete OS. Would you happen to
have the exact address so I can be sure I'm in the right place?


On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:26:23 +0200, bv <bvermo@powertech.no> wrote:

>Many National Language Versions of Warp 3 have been available on DevCon.
>Take a look at the IBM DevCon website.

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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             28-Aug-99 03:48:09
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:12
Subj: Re: CHKDSK.LOG files

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:24:54, J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org> wrote:

> The enhanced OS/2 v4 CHKDSK generates log files that require a special 
> utility to read.  I need to read them, and cannot recall what that 
> utility is called; nor can I find any reference to it in on-line or 
> off-line help.  Great planning, IBM!

ftp://ftp.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/chklogpk.exe 

The package contains both a command line and a PM version of the 
utility.

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From: williamd1@ibm.net                                 28-Aug-99 04:09:21
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:12
Subj: Re: foreign language versions?

From: williamd1@ibm.net (williamd1)

Serge...

Thanks for that info. Yes it is the IDEDASD.EXE fine that was worrying
me. I am glad to hear it's not language dependant. I suppose I had
that idea because MS seems to offer a different Win 95 fix for each
language. I should have known OS/2 would be more efficient in this
regard.

Bill

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          28-Aug-99 04:08:07
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:12
Subj: Re: CHKDSK.LOG files

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:24:54, J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org> a Úcrit dans
un message:

> The enhanced OS/2 v4 CHKDSK generates log files that require a special 
> utility to read.  I need to read them, and cannot recall what that 
> utility is called; nor can I find any reference to it in on-line or 
> off-line help.  Great planning, IBM!
> 
> Anyone know what it is and how to use it?

What I use is PMCHKLOG.EXE and I don't know where it came from. Here's the 
README at the bottom of this page.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


                       PM Chkdsk Log Formatter Version 1.1
                                     README

  This readme file contains the latest information available for PM Chkdsk
  Log Formatter (hereafter called PMCHKLOG).  PMCHKLOG is packaged with 
three
  messages files, MESSAGE.TXT, RANGE.TXT and MSGHDR.TXT.  These message 
files
  should not be altered to insure the parser knows has the correct format.
  New releases may just contain these message files.

  PMCHKLOG takes the file created by CHKDSK.COM as input, usually 
CHKDSK.LOG
  in the root directory of each HPFS drive.  PMCHKLOG will format the file
  using text messages to make them more easily understood by support.

  PLANNED FEATURES FOR FUTURE RELEASE:
        Online Help
        Non-PM Version
        Ability to select multiple ranges

  Comments on PMCHKLOG can be made to your service representative or by 
sending
  a note to pbirk@austin.ibm.com.

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From: esitea@inficad.com                                27-Aug-99 21:46:12
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: Where to modify confirmation?

From: Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com>

Great manners!  I must say, this type of reply in a thread responding to
OS/2 newbies certainly gives him/her the most positive view of "mature"
OS/2 users.  I wonder why inexperienced users feel uncomfortable asking
questions in newsgroups?  Could it be that the more experienced OS/2
users have so many axes to grind and can become vulgar and obnoxious
with no real provocation?  If I were new to an operating system and came
into this type of vile discussion, I would drop the OS out of disgust at
the appauling displays in newsgroups from the OS's supposed supporters.

Why don't you guys learn to be civil and helpful, rather than filling up
server space with this cr*p.  If you so-called supporters of OS/2 really
had any concern for the longevity of this wonderful operating system,
you might realize that helpful, intelligent, and mature users do more
for the health of the OS than users who perpetuate the current level of
behavior.  You all sound like a bunch of Amiga users for crying out
loud!

After a couple of beers, engaging your type in discussion can be
entertaining, in a very twisted sort of way.  I can admit to that will
little shame, but after years of following these OS/2 newsgroups, I've
witnessed a drastic decrease in the civility and usefullness of
participating.  There a far fewer good participants here than ever
before, and the situation is just getting worse.  Glad I installed BeOS,
at least the users haven't had enough time to develop the flaming
rivalries as OS/2ers.  However, the zealots and morons will eventually
work their way out of the shadows in those groups as well.

To all the newbies out there who want to utilize these newsgroups as
technical resources, in an atmosphere of mutual respect and good will, I
wish you the best of luck.  Do not give up hope, there are very good
people who still read these threads and will gladly offer assistance
with generosity and good intentions.  Try to ignore the old farts who
merely want to flame and maintain the childish displays of verbal
assault that is sadly pervasive and distracting from the original
intentions that drove the creation and growth of these newsgroups.

Grow up and become productive members of the community folks!

Ezra

> Hmmm .. Tim implicitly complaining about the rudeness of Internet?
>
> Tim, you are not attacked because you read messages here or
> because you ask questions. There is some other behavior of
> yours that warrants attacks, in many cases very well-founded.

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  28-Aug-99 05:25:25
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: Lotus Web Site Fixed

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:19:38, hamei@pacbell.net a ?crit dans un message:
>
> > In <37C620A5.48DFF44F@dgraph.com>, Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com> writes:
> >
> > >And to think that all they needed to do in the first place is to chage
> > >one tiny setting and "hot" restart the server and avoid such problems
> > >for ever. Heh.
> >
> > Hey, remember these guys are Professional Software Developers, unlike them
> > silly amateurs that take the easy way out :-)
> >
> > >
> > >Sander Nyman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I am fairly certain that anyone needing the Lotus Smart Suite update to
> > >> v1.1.1 has already downloaded it from Hobbes.  However, for anyone
still
> > >> interested in downloading direct from Lotus, and as a general follow
up, I
> > >> received the following from Lotus today:
> > >>
> > >> Dear Sander Nyman,
> > >>
> > >> Our Web team has broken up the file in question into four segments to
> > >> avoid timeout problems.  Here is the direct link to the file:
> > >>
http://www.support.lotus.com/sims2/sims_or2.nsf/430bb6168e25dd69852566430080b76
7/c980c1bf48fa57fa852567af00646c04
>
> I'm sorry but that URL is flat ridiculous,

"flat" ? - This is a Notes server so don't you mean "heretical" if you can't
spell hierarchical? <g>

> especially, ESPECIALLY if it
> resulted from someone human looking at the file and fixing it.

Lotus = IBM = human = engage brain and put it on their ftp server(with resume) 
instead of, or additionally to?

> Good luck,
>
> Buddy
>
> Buddy Donnelly
> donnelly@tampabay.rr.com



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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           28-Aug-99 05:09:14
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: CHKDSK.LOG files

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:48:19, domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)
wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:24:54, J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org> wrote:
> 
> > The enhanced OS/2 v4 CHKDSK generates log files that require a special 
> > utility to read.  I need to read them, and cannot recall what that 
> > utility is called; nor can I find any reference to it in on-line or 
> > off-line help.  Great planning, IBM!
> 
> ftp://ftp.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/chklogpk.exe 
> 
> The package contains both a command line and a PM version of the 
> utility.

Thankyou for this URL, I've been looking around for this
utility for a while (of course I never thought to ask :-)

Lorne Sunley

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From: rgmolpus@flash.net                                28-Aug-99 04:44:04
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: BJC-5000 printer WAS: Color Printer for WARP?

From: rgmolpus@flash.net (Richard Garrett Molpus)

Folks:

Just for the record:

	IBM updated the Device Driver Online page today (8/27/99).

	Guess what?

	The removed the BJC-5000 from the list of supported printers.

	I guess that someone got a bit to eager in adding printers to
the Canon list, and just imported everything he/she/it could list onto
the page.

***sigh***

*** groan ***

*** drat ***
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Richard G. Molpus
No Profit to high, No quote to ridiculous.
Ask Me about my Anti-Microsoft bias!
Praise BOB! or send him $30.00 anyway.

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             27-Aug-99 17:13:26
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: Hey, all you OS/2 experts ........

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:00:14 -0400, James Knott wrote:

>I've had some experience with four languages.  C, Pascal, Fortran and 
>Basic. Also did some assembler ;-)

Yes, but can you "speak" all four? Or just write them? <g>


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From: yaztromo@idirect.com                              28-Aug-99 02:37:20
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: Anyone using a yamaha 4416s with os2????

From: Brad Barclay <yaztromo@idirect.com>

jerryw12 wrote:

> hi there
>
>         i have tried several cdrw software pkgs., but none seem to recognize 
my
> 4416, anyone had better luck?
>
>         what software are you using???

    I've been running a 4416S on an Asus SC-875PCI SCSI adapter since January
of
this year, and since getting it up and running it's worked flawlessly
(although I
did need to upgrade my SCSI driver before it recognized it properly).

    I'm using RSJ CD-Writer for OS/2 - v2.83.  Some people have reported
problems
with certain 4416S flash BIOS revisions, but my drive came with rev 1.0e built 
in
and it has always worked flawlessly under OS/2.

    Best of luck!

Brad BARCLAY


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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            28-Aug-99 03:29:12
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: Jaz drive as "Big Floppy"?

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-F22dUWuNSmR5@POBLANO>, on 08/27/99 
   at 05:23 PM, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:

>Clearly, I didn't give enough information in my original query. The Jaz 
>drive is an internally-mounted unit with a SCSI interface. It has been 
>operating properly for a long time, so this is not a question about what 
>driver to use. The question here is how to set the drive up so that, just
> as with diskette drives, it can be left without a medium inserted when
>the  system is booted. As things are now, when the drive is empty at
>boot, the  system complains that the drive is not ready. The significance
>of this is  that, with the drive empty,  several error messages pop up
>during the boot  process, and have to be dismissed in order for the boot
>process to proceed  to completion; if the Jaz could be seen as a big
>floppy drive, instead of  as a fixed-medium drive, that wouldn't happen.
>Can this be done?

I guess a lot depends on when in the boot process the error messages arise
but have you tried using 'autofail=yes' in your config.sys? Just a stab in
the dark.

F.

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      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 28-Aug-99 02:01:07
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: 98 coexisting with Warp 3.0, FP40?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)
spake unto us, saying:

>Case in point.  Back up soultions.  It drove me to finally just getting
>a removable HDD because even the simpliest stuff I was exposed too
>required prayer and a blessing to work.  Now maybe others have been
>luckier with high end options, but the fact that my old little Jumbo was
>a nightmare under OS/2 when it ran like a champ from DOS doesn't inspire
>me to run out and spend $700 on a SCSI DAT solution.

Weird.  I had no problems at all with BackMaster/2 when I used to use
my TR-3 tape drive here (Conner TapeStor 3200), and I used to back up
using the bundled DOS software when I had a Jumbo 120 (by booting to
DOS, not in a VDM).

I just use DriveImage now, and beam the resulting partition snapshots
to other boxes.  It's pretty simple.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
        The Seminar for Time Travel will be held two weeks ago...

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 28-Aug-99 02:00:04
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: 98 coexisting with Warp 3.0, FP40?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)
spake unto us, saying:

>On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:43:56, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) a ‚crit 
>dans un message:
>
>> Too bad IBM won't step up to bat for their OS/2 customer base, but I
>> guess we can'y expect IBM to stand up to the likes of Be, eh?  :-)
>
>Hell, they aren't even suing them for stealing one-third of their corporate
>name. (I-Be-M)

Be be be be be!!!  <grin>

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                         Are we having fun yet?

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From: tbrun730@concentric.net                           28-Aug-99 04:41:07
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: OS2 and Laptops

From: "tbs" <tbrun730@concentric.net>

Just go to any search engine and type in Laptops,you will be
flooded with a bunch of info.Here is a good newsgroup for
laptops, "comp.sys.laptops".

John Roberts <szrob@ns.net> wrote in message
news:woHx3.1733$mA3.72790@nuq-read.news.verio.net...
> Greetings all;
>
>  I have spent all of my computer time on desk tops. Recently, I have been
told
> that I might be the proud new owner of a Toshiba laptop of some kind. A
friend
> works at a hospital that is up grading to a newer model and will dispose
of
> some seventy laptops.  Is Warp4 a reasonable os for what might not be a
state
> of art processor?  Memory will probaly be 8 megs or so.
>   Also, does anyone know of a web site that talks about laptops?  I don't
know
> the first thing about them; only that the price's have never come down,
like
> pc's.
> TIA
>
> John Roberts
> szrob@ns.net
>


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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  28-Aug-99 09:26:13
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: Jaz drive as "Big Floppy"?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:29:24, davisfnospam@union.edu wrote:

> In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-F22dUWuNSmR5@POBLANO>, on 08/27/99 
>    at 05:23 PM, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:
> 
> >Clearly, I didn't give enough information in my original query. The Jaz 
> >drive is an internally-mounted unit with a SCSI interface. It has been 
> >operating properly for a long time, so this is not a question about what 
> >driver to use. The question here is how to set the drive up so that, just
> > as with diskette drives, it can be left without a medium inserted when
> >the  system is booted. As things are now, when the drive is empty at
> >boot, the  system complains that the drive is not ready. The significance
> >of this is  that, with the drive empty,  several error messages pop up
> >during the boot  process, and have to be dismissed in order for the boot
> >process to proceed  to completion; if the Jaz could be seen as a big
> >floppy drive, instead of  as a fixed-medium drive, that wouldn't happen.
> >Can this be done?
> 
> I guess a lot depends on when in the boot process the error messages arise
> but have you tried using 'autofail=yes' in your config.sys? Just a stab in
> the dark.

>       Felmon John Davis		
>      davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
>      Union College /  Schenectady, NY
>      - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
>      OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 

Many thanks, John. Yes, this does work, but it is too sweeping a move, 
because it deprives me of error messages that I would like to see. For 
example, I would no longer get the warning at boot time that not all the 
machines are actually present on the LAN.

Is it possible that there is no way I can convince the Jaz itself that it 
is OK for it to be mediumless when the machine boots?

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: nospam@null                                       28-Aug-99 10:35:28
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:13
Subj: Re: RSJ Problem

From: nospam@null (Richard A Crane)

On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:17:52, ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) 
wrote:


> THE PROCEDURE:
> 
> 1) Ensure the disk is in the drive properly.
> 
> 2) Open an OS/2 command line session and give the command
> 	trackcpy
>    NB: Like "trackcopy" but without an 'o'.
> 
> 3) When the '>' prompt appears, give the command
> 	blank cdr: 0
> 
> 4) Wait.  Apparently the time required varies with the type of
>    drive.  For Yamahas, it takes about as long as the original
>    recording (plus finalisation) took.  So go brew up a cup of
>    something legal and let the machine do its thing.
> 
> 5) When it has finished and the next '>' prompt appears, give
>    the command
> 	quit
> 
> And that's it.  The disk should now attach in the usual way.
> 
 Could I suggest "trackcpy && blank cdr:0 && quit"

A slightly shorter version (you don't have to check for it in the middle it
just
all runs)
Richard A Crane ph 08 8945 3252 fx 08 8945 5952
Check Copyright of this with the author you may suffer litigation or 
embarrassment.

ps Foolproof is not good enough ..... we're not dealing with fools

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             28-Aug-99 10:52:19
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 10:43:14
Subj: Re: 98 coexisting with Warp 3.0, FP40?

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:01:14, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) wrote:

> >Case in point.  Back up soultions.  It drove me to finally just getting
> >a removable HDD because even the simplest stuff I was exposed too
> >required prayer and a blessing to work.  Now maybe others have been
> >luckier with high end options, but the fact that my old little Jumbo was
> >a nightmare under OS/2 when it ran like a champ from DOS doesn't inspire
> >me to run out and spend $700 on a SCSI DAT solution.
 
> Weird.  I had no problems at all with BackMaster/2 when I used to use
> my TR-3 tape drive here (Conner TapeStor 3200), and I used to back up
> using the bundled DOS software when I had a Jumbo 120 (by booting to
> DOS, not in a VDM).

For some reason BackMaster is very sensitive to different systems.  It
worked great on one and was a nightmare on another.  And then certain
FP's would break it.  Then they want money to get basically a refresh.
It reminds me of a boat, a hole in the ocean you keep throwing money
into.
 
> I just use DriveImage now, and beam the resulting partition snapshots
> to other boxes.  It's pretty simple.

Best thing I ever did was to get a removable HDD mount and another 6.4
GIG drive.  I backup my OS/2 in about 7-8 minutes.  And it works equally
well for DOS (although I do that backup from OS/2) and Linux.  All that
is needed is XCOPY and cp (linux copy).

Total cost $150, including tax and shipping.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: fledermaus@ibm.net                                28-Aug-99 08:43:10
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 14:21:23
Subj: Re: Anyone using a yamaha 4416s with os2????

From: fledermaus <fledermaus@ibm.net>

Ref:     Append at 00:26:21 on 99/08/28 GMT (by ricsha@rainlore.demon.co.uk)

>
> >I am using an adaptec scsi pci 2906 and also have an astra1120x scanner
> >attached.
>
> Aren't the Adaptec 29xx series originally Future Domain controllers?
> And, does your card have a BIOS? (IIRC, a controller with BIOS is
> required for the upgrade?)
>
>
Thanks for info on upgrade to 4416s->g firmware.  Although I have w95
I rarely use it on desktop, and removed it from laptop.   Looks like
I need to use W95 to do the upgrade, however, all goes well now so I may
put it off.

About above item, my scanner is astra 1220s (fingers slipped, probably
due to slow brain - thats probably why I enjoy computers).  Sorry,
I do not know if my adaptec has a bios

Also, since I upgraded warp to fp11 I have consistantly getting a 4x speed.
Prior to that, although 4x requested, sometimes got 2x for writes.
Cause and effect?  Don't know.  Also: on LINUX I got 2x for a write,
however only tried burning on LINUX once.




"A leader who is above the law is a tyrant (e.g. Gates, Clinton)"

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From: praxcomm@idirect.com                              28-Aug-99 13:20:17
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 14:21:23
Subj: Re: OS2 and Laptops

From: praxcomm@idirect.com (Alan Thwaits)

In <woHx3.1733$mA3.72790@nuq-read.news.verio.net>, szrob@ns.net (John Roberts) 
writes:

>Also, does anyone know of a web site that talks about laptops?

Dr. Martinus' Notebook/2 site might be just what you're looking for. It's at:

http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/Notebook.htm

Regards,

Alan Thwaits
Digital Cycling
mailto: nomad@praxcomm.com
http://www.praxcomm.com/

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      28-Aug-99 14:01:14
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 16:46:25
Subj: Re: CHKDSK.LOG files

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid     (John Thompson)

In <7q7kna$3fo$1@zook.lafn.org>, J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org> writes:

>The enhanced OS/2 v4 CHKDSK generates log files that require a special 
>utility to read.  I need to read them, and cannot recall what that 
>utility is called; nor can I find any reference to it in on-line or 
>off-line help.  Great planning, IBM!
>
>Anyone know what it is and how to use it?

PMCHKLOG.EXE

According to the README.1ST file that came with my fixpack:

   5.8.2 CHKDSK LOG FORMATTER

   CHKDSK creates a binary service log file (chkdsk.log) on the root of the
   drive being checked during autocheck or whenever the /F option is
   invoked.  The previous log file is saved as chkdsk.old. A formatter for
   this log file can be found at:

   ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/chklogpk.exe


   This is a self extracting ZIP file. Place it in a directory in your path
   and enter CHKLOGPK. This will create the following files:

     message.txt
     msghdr.txt
     pmchklog.exe
     range.txt
     readme

   They should all have a date of 05/14/97 or later (May 14, 1997).

   This is a tool used by OS/2 service to format and view the new CHKDSK log
   entries.  There is no support for this tool. You are welcome to use it
   but if you have problems with it or do not understand the output DO NOT
   contact IBM for assistance as none will be provided.


-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 28-Aug-99 10:09:27
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 16:46:26
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Peter.Weilbacher@T-Online.de wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:33:19, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael
>Tennenbaum) wrote:

(coming to you from the future, you'll note)

>> Uh huh.  1) Uninstall OD, which is probably 95% of what's
>> kerflooey on your system.  Replace with freeware Xfolder.
>> 2) Apply the latest fix for Netscape 4.04.  3) Reinstall
>> your video drivers, especially if there's newer ones
>> available for your card.  4) Clean up your INI files with
>> Henk Kelder's wptools.
>
>As I recently wrote in another thread, its not that simple. I have
>made all these steps a long time ago, but the WPS is often locking
>itself, meaning that one folder does not respond. You can press 
>CTRL-ESC and some other combinations and a window comes up. 
>There you can press ENTER, but nothing happens. All this especially
>happens to me, when I have no other programs running besides 
>Sysbar/2 Clock and Task Switcher. There is no way for me to restart
>the WPS in these cases.

When my system gets like this I try to root things out --
eg, I just dumped, I'm sorry to say, Goran Ivankovic's nice
worldclock program because I suspected it of a mem. leak
(not to slander this neat prog, but around here rogue
programs are guilty until proven innocent).  I'm not
defending the opsys itself, given its strengths it
absolutely ought to contend better with rogue apps than it
does, but a lot of my work involves heavy NS stuff, and for
me it hangs very very seldom.  I suspect there are issues
with Java (many of the old hangs I'd get seemed to point to
the Java Console) and NS.  For me the latest NS refresh has
eliminated the worst thing -- the horrid file download bug
and the system-freezeup-after-exiting-NS4.04; sometimes NS
will blow up but now it doesn't take anything with it.  Also
I'm on Java 1.1.7.  Fwiw.  

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 28-Aug-99 10:12:10
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 16:46:26
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

peter@pjm2.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) wrote:

>Andrew Stephenson <ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article <37c4e6ad$1$xfhayrl$mr2ice@news.sk.sympatico.ca>
>>	   Skree@stubble.jumpers  writes:
>>
>>> One thing that I find curious about WSeB:
>>>
>>> If IBM had no intention of releasing a client version - why
>>> does it include all the MMOS/2 paraphenalia.	 Now admittedly,
>>> I'm somewhat of a newbie to this server stuff - but does a
>>> server really need to be able to handle multimedia on its own
>>> machione????  [...]
>>
>>My guess: they had to continue work on that MM stuff for the Warp
>>4 (& 3?) fixpacks until those products are retired, probably use
>>the same basic code for WSeB, so found it easy and convenient to
>>include modern MM bits.
>
>Look at it this way.  Multimedia is the one area where Warp 4 is
>markedly inferior to Warp 3.  

?!  That is a contest I for one would not want to judge. 
The cruddiness of Warp3 and Warp4's multimurderer systems
are BOTH borderline intolerable, I've always had the feeling
this was the first thing IBM dropped when they put the
brakes on OS/2.  You'd think even in maintenance mode it
might be possible to repair, but then again you'd think
Lotus might act like they don't hate OS/2, or RealNetworks
would pull their heads out of their asses.

If you've put that much effort into
>screwing something up, you want to see some return on your
>investment.
>
>Consider what's happening with Netscape.  The team of people
>working on this appears to be dedicated and competent.  Imagine
>what they could have achieved with WebExplorer.  But no, you have
>to understand the IBM management style: it's more important to
>throw resources at a fundamentally flawed product.

I understand the sentiment, but I'm afraid that as much as I
liked WebExplorer, the problem isn't with one product or
another, it's the change in the scope of the Web.  Even
granting that a newsreader has no place in NS (I don't
agree) a browser just has to contend with much more now than
it did when WebEx was born, and not just frames and Java. 
When it comes to word processors I hate feature bloat as
much as anyone, but in this case personally I miss WebEx
only a bit more than NR/2, and that's mostly because I like
to close apps with F3 :)

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: lcs@nowhere.com                                   28-Aug-99 10:53:06
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 16:46:26
Subj: Re: What 56K modem for OS/2 ?

From: "Rick Lindsay" <lcs@nowhere.com>

On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 08:07:47 -0400, c@my.sig wrote:

>On 08/08/99 at 11:59 PM, "Rick Lindsay" <lcs@nowhere.com> said:
>
>>IBM has an excellent PCI 56k voice/data/fax modem on the market for $99
>>with OS/2 driver.
>
>What's the model info, please.
>Andrey Lasichuk (andrey@promobility.net)

33L4680 I think, see our web page, Pricing, then Parts.  It is listed there.


Rick Lindsay, Lindsay Computer Systems, http://www.jumpnet.com/~lcs
Austin, Texas. 512-719-5257.  Asus based systems, Asus Products. 
                                    Advanced Systems.
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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    28-Aug-99 16:12:12
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 16:46:26
Subj: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

I am looking for a plain-english description of how and when to apply 
fixpacks.  I am refering to OS/2 operating system fixpacks (which I 
believe are actuall called service packs in the IBM documentation).

Specifically, I want to know:

1.  What is an archive?  As silly as this sounds, there seem to be 
frequent references to "restoring the system to archive level". 
	Where is this "archive" located?  How is its location selected?
	When is an "archive" created? (IBM's documentation doesn't
		clearly state whether it is made at initial service, after comitting
to a level 		of service, or both).
	What does an "archive"  do?
	Why/when do I need one?
	How/when does an "archive" get created?
	What happens if I delete the files in the "archive"?

2.  What is a backup?  As silly as this sounds, there are also 
numerous references to "restoring a system to backup level", "backing 
out of a level of service", etc.

	Where is this "backup" located? How is its location selected?
	What does a "backup" do? 
	Why/when do I need one?
	How/when does a "backup" get created?
	Does the system keep make a new "backup" each time I apply service or
	Does the system overwrite the current "backup" each time I apply 
service?
	Do I need a separate "backup" each time I apply service to my system?
	What happens if I delete the files in the backup?

3.  What (in plain English, please) does it mean to "commit to a level
of service"?
	What happens to my computer when I commit to a level of service?
	What gets archived?
	What gets backed up?
	What gets deleted?
	What happens if I apply service without comitting to the current 
level of service?  	Why would I ever want to "commit to a level of 
service"?
	How do I commit to a level of service?
	What can I delete from my computer after I commit to a level of 
service?

4.  How does one "back out" of a level of service?

5. When and how does one delete no longer used files? 
    When is it safe to do so?
   Why would I ever want to do that?
   Where are the files that can be deleted?


As silly as this sounds, I have been applying fixpacks for years 
without understanding what the heck I am doing.  I've read numerous 
web pages, help files, and readme's that don't answer these 
fundamental questions.  I'd love to "play by the rules", if I could 
only figure out what esactly they are.

If  you can answer any of these questions, or point me to where they 
are answered, I'd be mighty grateful.



William Sonna
wsonna@ibm.net

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From: mwalsh1@elp.rr.com                                28-Aug-99 10:35:04
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 16:46:26
Subj: Re: OS2 and Laptops

From: "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com>

8 mb ram is going to be a bit slow for Warp.   For info look at the Dr.
Martinus site 
http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/notebook.htm

If you can't get info here, it hardly exists.


On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:59:56 GMT, John Roberts wrote:

>Greetings all;
>
> I have spent all of my computer time on desk tops. Recently, I have been
told 
>that I might be the proud new owner of a Toshiba laptop of some kind. A
friend 
>works at a hospital that is up grading to a newer model and will dispose of 
>some seventy laptops.  Is Warp4 a reasonable os for what might not be a state 

>of art processor?  Memory will probaly be 8 megs or so. 
>  Also, does anyone know of a web site that talks about laptops?  I don't
know 
>the first thing about them; only that the price's have never come down, like 
>pc's.
>TIA
>
>John Roberts
>szrob@ns.net
>


Matt Walsh  El Paso, TX
Computin' & Shootin' in the dust.


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From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void                      28-Aug-99 10:54:04
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:13:09
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite Updated to v1.1.1

From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman)

In <37c56229.1743813@news.omen.net.au>, on 08/26/99 
   at 03:51 PM, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman) wrote:

>>Does anyone have any idea of what, exactly, does it fix? Is 
>>it worth the dl?

>There is a small list of fixes.  The main problem we have is that 123
>still cannot print to a net printer nor print to pmfax.  As such, its
>useless and the whole thing got plonked back on the shelf in favour of
>Staroffice 5.1 which does work.

The not so small list of fixes has nothing to do with your problem.  The
problem with printing to PM Fax was at Keller's end, and the fix has been
available on their site for ages.  Lotus 123 works great here, and is a
daily workhorse in the running of my business.

Sander Nyman

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From: an479@lafn.org                                    28-Aug-99 09:56:15
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:13:09
Subj: Re: CHKDSK.LOG files

From: J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org>

Responding to John Thompson, Dominique Pivard and Buddy Donnelly:

>On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:24:54, J. N. Pfisterer <an479@lafn.org> wrote:
>> The enhanced OS/2 v4 CHKDSK generates log files that require a special 
>> utility to read.  I need to read them, and cannot recall what that 
>> utility is called; nor can I find any reference to it in on-line or 
>> off-line help.  Great planning, IBM!
>
>ftp://ftp.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/chklogpk.exe 

Thanks much for the URL and text quotes ...everything I needed!

Jack P.

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From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void                      28-Aug-99 11:02:03
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:13:09
Subj: Re: Lotus Web Site Fixed

From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman)

On 08/27/99 at 09:47 PM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:

>Sander Nyman <nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void> writes:
>> I am fairly certain that anyone needing the Lotus Smart Suite update to
>> v1.1.1 has already downloaded it from Hobbes.  

>I did that, but what do I do next? There's no installation program and no
>instructions.

Pierre, the instructions are located on the Lotus web page.  

http://www.support.lotus.com/sims2/sims_or2.nsf/430bb6168e25dd69852566430080b76
7/c980c1bf48fa57fa852567af00646c04

Basically, it's as simple as renaming the old files in their respective
folders, and copying the new files over.  

Sander Nyman

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From: stantowianski@home.com                            28-Aug-99 18:14:22
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:13:09
Subj: Pipes( > < | )  do text only?

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

Hi,

I wrote a cat.exe which write out a file's contents in binary.
I think the program is working, but when I redirect is with
| or > I think these are only allowing text mode file operations!

For example, if I do cat.exe config.sys > out
and the file had 7800 bytes in 50 lines, out will have a size of 7850.
I think it is adding a CR after each LF for each line.

If I cat a binary file and | it to another program who writes it to
a 2nd file the binary file gets cut off just like if you try to do:
type binary_filename and it cuts the file off because of some char.

This seems pathetic ! !  I would think OS/2 is doing it?
Any know if this is true and how to fix it?

Thanks.


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From: evert.haaksma@inter.NL.net                        28-Aug-99 20:18:09
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:13:09
Subj: XFree86 starting problem

From: Evert Haaksma <evert.haaksma@inter.NL.net>

Besides using OS/2, I sometimes fiddle around with Linux.
So I decided to try XFree86 for OS/2.
I installed it following the instructions.
But now, when I enter the command "startx" on a command line, things are
not going as I hoped.
The greyish background and the black cross-pointer appear as I know them
from Linux.
The pointer responds to the mouse as well.
So I guess X is started all right.
But then, instead of starting a window manager, I am returned to the
OS/2-prompt.
No messages appear, so I have no clue as where to look for.

Does anyone know what can cause this problem?

Grtz,
Evert Haaksma (evert.haaksma@inter.NL.net)


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From: dell@[204.52.135.1]                               28-Aug-99 17:23:12
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:13:09
Subj: Re: Partition: mixing letters ??

From: dell@[204.52.135.1] (Dell Coleman)

On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:08:48, Remi Ricard <ricard@gmc.ulaval.ca> 
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I want to keep my partition letters fixed, I don't want them to move
> around 
> depending which os I use.
> 
[Snip]
Get /pub/os2/system/drivers/filesys/vfat_003.zip from hobbes. It 
contains a program you execute in config.sys that will re-map the 
drive letters any way you want. (Be careful.)
----------------------------------------------------------
Dell Coleman            |   Straight from DesqView to OS/2
dell@[204.52.135.1]     |   Never lost my life dozing.
----------------------------------------------------------

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    28-Aug-99 18:22:03
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:13:09
Subj: Re: Lotus Web Site Fixed

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Sander Nyman <nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void> writes:
> 
> Pierre, the instructions are located on the Lotus web page.  
> 
>
http://www.support.lotus.com/sims2/sims_or2.nsf/430bb6168e25dd69852566430080b76
7/c980c1bf48fa57fa852567af00646c04

It says to check the version number, but when I do I get no version
number, just a copyright and (my correct) registration notice, except for
WordPro which says Release 097.1944.0

What do I have?

(I just moved, and the distribution CD is ...er, somewhere...)

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: veit@borneo.gmd.de                                28-Aug-99 18:25:29
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:13:09
Subj: Re: XFree86 starting problem

From: veit@borneo.gmd.de (Holger Veit)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:18:18 +0200, 
	Evert Haaksma <evert.haaksma@inter.NL.net> wrote:
>Besides using OS/2, I sometimes fiddle around with Linux.
>So I decided to try XFree86 for OS/2.
>I installed it following the instructions.
>But now, when I enter the command "startx" on a command line, things are
>not going as I hoped.
>The greyish background and the black cross-pointer appear as I know them
>from Linux.
>The pointer responds to the mouse as well.
>So I guess X is started all right.
>But then, instead of starting a window manager, I am returned to the
>OS/2-prompt.
>No messages appear, so I have no clue as where to look for.
>
>Does anyone know what can cause this problem?

Read the XFree86/OS2 FAQ. Verify that you really have the window manager
that is listed in XFree86/lib/xinit/xinitrc.cmd (typically twm or icewm).
Verify that PATH and LIBPATH are correct. Check the output of POPUPLOG.OS2
and the output of the error log you can get with the methods described in
the FAQ. Ensure that your OS2_SHELL and SHELL and X11SHELL is correct.

Holger

-- 
Signature fault - code dumbed

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From: jblenkinsop@home.com                              28-Aug-99 20:23:05
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: John Blenkinsop <jblenkinsop@home.com>

Fixpak Primer:

http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fp.html

or

Beginner's guide to understanding OS/2 fixes:

http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fixhelp.html

Cheers

John

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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                28-Aug-99 20:26:24
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

I an using Comm4.04 and I need to recieve my mail with one Internet
provider and send it through another provider.  Mu username and
password are different with each. Is there a way to do this?

TIA

Duncan

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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            28-Aug-99 16:56:08
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: must I upgrade BIOS?

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

Greetings!

By chance, I just came upon an AMD K6-2/450 chip which I'm thinking of
installing in my brand-new ASUS P5A MB. 

The tech docs for the MB don't refer to this chip (they go no higher than
400mhz). On the website, there is talk of a BIOS upgrade to 'support' the
450.

I dread upgrading the BIOS. 

Does this mean, however, that's a _necessary_ step for running the chip on
the MB, or can I just set the appropriate jumpers (according to specs on
the website for the MB) and let her rip?

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: DAMNSPAM.ks@karicobs.com                          28-Aug-99 21:10:10
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: DAMNSPAM.ks@karicobs.com (Kari Suomela)

Saturday August 28 1999 20:26, Duncan Munro wrote to All:

 DM> I an using Comm4.04 and I need to recieve my mail with one 
 DM> Internet
 DM> provider and send it through another provider.

Why would this be necessary? What kind of an ISP doesn't provide SMTP 
service?

 KS


... He who hesitates is last.

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From: luistino@my-deja.com                              28-Aug-99 20:49:11
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: Re: What 56K modem for OS/2 ?

From: luistino <luistino@my-deja.com>


Rick Lindsay wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 08:07:47 -0400, c@my.sig wrote:
>
> >On 08/08/99 at 11:59 PM, "Rick Lindsay" <lcs@nowhere.com> said:
> >
> >>IBM has an excellent PCI 56k voice/data/fax modem on the market for $99
> >>with OS/2 driver.
> >
> >What's the model info, please.
> >Andrey Lasichuk (andrey@promobility.net)
>
> 33L4680 I think, see our web page, Pricing, then Parts.  It is listed there.

33L4585 and it  is not a voice modem

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From: kris@dgraph.com                                   28-Aug-99 15:11:12
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>

Hmm, in 4.61 you can specifu seperate POP and SMTP servers. Don't
remember how it was in 4.04 but even 2.02 lets you do that.

Duncan Munro wrote:
> 
> I an using Comm4.04 and I need to recieve my mail with one Internet
> provider and send it through another provider.  Mu username and
> password are different with each. Is there a way to do this?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Duncan

-- 

**********************
DigiGraph Technical
http://www.dgraph.com
**********************

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From: phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com                     28-Aug-99 21:45:25
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: Re: Warp 3.0 install problem

From: Phillip Davenport <phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com>

Frantz Pieuchot <pieuchot@mail.dotcom.fr> wrote:
> How can I install it without a network card (I just have a modem)
> without have to break a proper install.

No network adapter required..

> Because I have no CD player on my machine I ve copied it via the Dos
> Interlnk soft on my hard disk. How can I install it from the hard disk
> to save me putting so many floppies in?

Here - 
</http://service5.boulder.ibm.com/pspsdocs.nsf/8d77653332b629ab862563cc005ee09a
/9e2009fe42b1cf1986256332007a79e1?OpenDocument/>

  p

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From: phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com                     28-Aug-99 22:29:20
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: Re: GRADD VS Video Device Driver

From: Phillip Davenport <phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com>

George John <gjohn@csom.umn.edu> wrote:
> I installed gradd080, but had to go  back to the s3 virge driver. Actually,
I had
> gradd079 but couldn't find it anywhere.  At any rate, gradd079 was quite
nice,
> but 080 is practically unuseable in WINOS2.

Try this search -
</http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/cgi-bin/search?query=GRADDBB/>

You'll hafta puzzle it out from the file dates..

Curently running GRADD 79 and ATI Xpert 98. Has a nasty bus contention
issue.

  p

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          28-Aug-99 22:30:24
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 05:35:21
Subj: Why does Lose98 damage my OS/2-FAT floppies?

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

An annoying interaction between floppies formatted under OS/2's
FORMAT and operations done on W98 machines (owned by friends with
whom I need to exchange files) is getting right up my nose.

The common factor appears to be Zipped files being accessed; but
it may just be M$ arrogance at work.  Essentially: I format the
disk; it is put into a W98 machine's drive for a simple write or
read task, with the files having no special attributes beyond the
old DOS set; I try to use it in an OS/2 (Warp 4) machine; and it
has been mucked up, so that either OS/2 cannot read it ("badly
formatted") or, after I copy a file to it, it cannot now be read
by a W98 machine ("not formatted" -- even though OS/2 can see the
stuff on it just fine).

In one case, one could _see_ W98 mess with the file (plain text):
on being opened (without a save operation), it was given a new
extension.  That disk would have been embarrassing garbage, with
no way to read it, had not OS/2's (new) CHKDSK been able to fix
the corruption.

What the heck is going on?  Are we to assume that W98 will not
even respect the standard of old FAT disks any more?
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: yaztromo@idirect.com                              28-Aug-99 18:53:06
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:24
Subj: Re: Anyone using a yamaha 4416s with os2????

From: Brad Barclay <yaztromo@idirect.com>

fledermaus wrote:

> Thanks for info on upgrade to 4416s->g firmware.  Although I have w95
> I rarely use it on desktop, and removed it from laptop.   Looks like
> I need to use W95 to do the upgrade, however, all goes well now so I may
> put it off.

    Actually, all that you need to do the BIOS upgrade is plain old DOS.  So
long as you have a DOS boot diskette with your SCSI device driver on it, you
should be just fine.

Brad BARCLAY


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From: yaztromo@idirect.com                              28-Aug-99 18:59:02
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:24
Subj: Re: where to get OS/2 Warp?

From: Brad Barclay <yaztromo@idirect.com>

050812 wrote:

> Oh and by the way, I'm still pretty confused about the OS/2 version
> numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong: OS/2 ---> OS/2 version 2.1 ---> OS/2
> Warp version 3 ---> OS/2 Warp 4 (means version 4?) Did I guess this
> right?

    Not exactly.  The proper version numbering goes like:

    OS/2 v1.0 -> 0S/2 v1.1 -> OS/2 v1.2 -> OS/2 v1.3 -> OS/2 v2.0 ->
OS/2 v2.1 -> OS/2 v2.11 -> OS/2 WARP v3 (Redspine and Bluespine) -> OS/2
WARP Connect -> OS/2 WARP v4

    ...and this is only listing the client versions, and doesn't include
WorkSpace on Demand or OS/2 WARP Server, or OS/2 SMP versions.  It also
doesn't include a couple of 0.0x revisions (which did exist - IIRC there
is an OS/2 WARP v4.01).  It also doesn't include OS/2 WARP for the
PowerPC.

Brad BARCLAY


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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    28-Aug-99 18:59:16
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:25
Subj: Re: Networking 2 home computers...

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <37c5f6da.21066893@news.together.net>,
devlin@together.net (devlin) wrote:
>Hub not needed for networking two computers if you use a 4 wire
>ethernet cable.

All 10BaseT & 100BaseT cables require 4 wires (2 pairs).  One pair for
transmit and one for receive.  You need a cross-over (country to rock?
<g>) cable for networking between two computers, without a hub.


-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 28-Aug-99 16:05:11
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:25
Subj: Re: Lotus SmartSuite Updated to v1.1.1

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <37c7348d.3783811@news.omen.net.au>, on 08/28/99 
   at 01:02 AM, zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo) said:

>No, I have a more recent version of the pmfax package (not the one from
>the Warp CD).

Are you aware that there is a specific driver fix for problems with SSOS2?

Steven

--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Steven Levine <steve53removethis@earthlink.net>  MR2/ICE #10183 Warp4/FP11
---------------------------------------------------------------


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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                29-Aug-99 00:07:02
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:25
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
usernames or passwords.

I work for a university. I want to recieve my mail through my employer
at work and at home (which I  do)  but when I am at home I want to
send it via my private ISP. the university prohibits send mailing from
off campus location except through telnet or  webmail. Both methods
are very clumsy for the volume of mail that I get.

thanks

Duncan 

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:11:24 -0600, Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>
wrote:

>Hmm, in 4.61 you can specifu seperate POP and SMTP servers. Don't
>remember how it was in 4.04 but even 2.02 lets you do that.
>
>Duncan Munro wrote:
>> 
>> I an using Comm4.04 and I need to recieve my mail with one Internet
>> provider and send it through another provider.  Mu username and
>> password are different with each. Is there a way to do this?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Duncan
>
>-- 
>
>**********************
>DigiGraph Technical
>http://www.dgraph.com
>**********************

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           29-Aug-99 00:28:04
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:25
Subj: Re: Why does Lose98 damage my OS/2-FAT floppies?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:30:49, ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew 
Stephenson) wrote:

> An annoying interaction between floppies formatted under OS/2's
> FORMAT and operations done on W98 machines (owned by friends with
> whom I need to exchange files) is getting right up my nose.
> 
> The common factor appears to be Zipped files being accessed; but
> it may just be M$ arrogance at work.  Essentially: I format the
> disk; it is put into a W98 machine's drive for a simple write or
> read task, with the files having no special attributes beyond the
> old DOS set; I try to use it in an OS/2 (Warp 4) machine; and it
> has been mucked up, so that either OS/2 cannot read it ("badly
> formatted") or, after I copy a file to it, it cannot now be read
> by a W98 machine ("not formatted" -- even though OS/2 can see the
> stuff on it just fine).
> 
> In one case, one could _see_ W98 mess with the file (plain text):
> on being opened (without a save operation), it was given a new
> extension.  That disk would have been embarrassing garbage, with
> no way to read it, had not OS/2's (new) CHKDSK been able to fix
> the corruption.
> 
> What the heck is going on?  Are we to assume that W98 will not
> even respect the standard of old FAT disks any more?
> --
> Andrew Stephenson
> 

There was a thread on one of the newsgroups that discussed
Windows 95/98 (AKA MicroVirus 9X :-) flipping some bit
in the FAT data structure to inform itself that there are
"long filenames" present on the diskette.

Check through http://www.dejanews.com for more information.
AFAIR there was a method of "untoggling" the bit back to
what it is supposed to be......

And NO, you cannot expect that Windows 95/98 products will
respect any "standards". After all, no uses anything except
Windows, do they? :-)

Lorne Sunley

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          29-Aug-99 00:39:22
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:25
Subj: Re: Why does Lose98 damage my OS/2-FAT floppies?

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-lqlPRudtsS75@userMd018.videon.wave.ca>
	   lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca "Lorne Sunley" writes:

> There was a thread on one of the newsgroups that discussed
> Windows 95/98 (AKA MicroVirus 9X :-) flipping some bit
> in the FAT data structure to inform itself that there are
> "long filenames" present on the diskette.
>
> Check through http://www.dejanews.com for more information.
> AFAIR there was a method of "untoggling" the bit back to
> what it is supposed to be......

Thanks.  I may just stick to setting the write-protect tab where
appropriate.  Untoggling bits sounds like mucky work. <g>

> And NO, you cannot expect that Windows 95/98 products will
> respect any "standards". After all, no uses anything except
> Windows, do they? :-)

I suppose (from the gang which popularised the Y2K bug).  And
they mean to ensure nobody _does_, either.  :-|
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      29-Aug-99 04:16:02
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:25
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Nisshagen)

Duncan Munro [via Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com/] ->
comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
¯ usernames or passwords.
¯ 
¯ I work for a university. I want to recieve my mail through my employer
¯ at work and at home (which I  do)  but when I am at home I want to
¯ send it via my private ISP. the university prohibits send mailing from
¯ off campus location except through telnet or  webmail. Both methods
¯ are very clumsy for the volume of mail that I get.

Solution: use something more decent than Nutscrape for news and mail. 

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E R
K
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n       http://zap.to/kw

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               28-Aug-99 19:25:02
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:25
Subj: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:

From: Dan Porter  6:21 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
Subject: InnoVal and OS/2
To: os2guy@warpcity.com

Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is withdrawing
the following products from marketing and support.

Post Road Mailer for OS/2
J Street Mailer for Java
Web Willy Watch for OS/2

Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
distribute executable copies of the software through online software
repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If you

distribute the Post Road Mailer you must also distribute a serial number

to allow a user to activate the product. You may use a serial number you

received from us in the past (for release 3.0), or you may use serial
number 31571728. You may also post serial numbers in newsgroups and
websites. Online orders, for these specific products, placed with us
during the last sixty days, have not been processed and customers
credit cards have not been charged. These orders will be cancelled and
customers are free to keep and use the downloaded code that they
received when they placed their order.

For me, personally, this is a sad day. Our company tried to hang in as
long as possible with OS/2. OS/2 is still my favorite platform and OS/2
customers are the best customers our company ever had. I have made many
good friends through my associations with all of you. You ll still see
me popping in at OS/2 users group meetings throughout the country when
my travels coincide with a meeting.

Our company continues to do very well. The consulting side of the
business has always been strong. The most exciting area of business,
however, is Iceptur. Iceptur is our new Internet filtering software for
the Windows 95/98/NT platform. Despite the fact that there are over two
hundred competitors in this market niche, we are experiencing phenomenal

success. This is partly because of the unique technology we developed
and partly because there is a strong demand for high quality Internet
filtering solutions (release 2.0 will hit the streets by September 5th).

We have entered into a number of strategic alliances with several
companies to market Iceptur and license the underlying technology for
use in other products.

I need, now, to focus all of InnoVal s resources on Iceptur and our
consulting business. I tried, during the past year, to juggle resources
but in doing so was not doing the right kind of job for our customers,
the OS/2 community at-large, InnoVal s employees, or InnoVal s owners.
You made the Post Road Mailer into the number one email client for OS/2.

You worked with us on J Street Mailer as we tried to negotiate a
platform independent course with Java. You have my thanks and the thanks

of everyone at InnoVal.

We are moving on to bigger things, but not better. OS/2 was better and
(oh, how I wish) it could have been big.

Thanks again,

Dan Porter, President
InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.

AND

From: Dan Porter  6:22 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
Subject: J Street Mailer Initiative
To: os2guy@warpcity.com

Let me state publically that I have no objection to any and all efforts
to enhance J Street Mailer. No do I have any objection to free
distribution. The team that worked on the original JSM project is
pleased that their original work is so well recognized.

Dan Porter, President
InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.

On a personal note:  I have been privileged to work and correspond
with Dan Porter and the fine folks at InnoVal for several years now.
No other OS/2 software developer has been more supportive or more
gracious with their time, efforts and devotion to OS/2.  I thank Dan
and his wonderful team of OS/2 programmers for all of their hard
work and I know that they entire OS/2 community wishes InnoVal
the best success on their future endeavors.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"





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From: pcoen@drew.edu                                    28-Aug-99 22:35:08
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:25
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: Paul Coen <pcoen@drew.edu>

Duncan Munro wrote:
> 
> I an using Comm4.04 and I need to recieve my mail with one Internet
> provider and send it through another provider.  Mu username and
> password are different with each. Is there a way to do this?
> 

Not with 4.04. Netscape 4.5 and above (such as the 4.61 beta)
allow you to use different SMTP and incoming mail server user
names.

If you're using IMAP, though, I don't think I'd use
even the second 4.61 beta. It's still flaky (although
even buggy, Netscape 4.61's imap support is better than
4.04).

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From: letoured@sover.net                                28-Aug-99 21:40:25
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:26
Subj: Re: where to get OS/2 Warp?

From: letoured@sover.net

He can probably find a better price on E-bay.


>Try Indelible-Blue :  http://www.indelible-blue.com/
>But as I know, Warp 3 has already been obsolate for long time, why not
>get Warp 4 instead. (Warp 4 comes with network
>support)

>Kelvin



>050812 wrote:

>> Hello all, I'm interested in OS/2 Warp, and would like to give it a
>> try. Could anyone please tell me where to get version 3, and what's
>> the price for it? Thanks! Oh and by the way, I'm still pretty confused
>> about the OS/2 version numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong: OS/2 --->
>> OS/2 version 2.1 ---> OS/2 Warp version 3 ---> OS/2 Warp 4 (means
>> version 4?) Did I guess this right? Thank you.  Edward

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             28-Aug-99 19:47:08
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 10:42:26
Subj: Re: Jaz drive as "Big Floppy"?

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-3JFdNHXoREdQ@POBLANO>, on 08/28/99 
   at 09:26 AM, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:

>Is it possible that there is no way I can convince the Jaz itself
>that it  is OK for it to be mediumless when the machine boots?

I also have a SCSI jaz, but I do not have that problem. As I recall, I
did originally have such a problem but I found a setting in the SCSI
controller BIOS that eliminated the problem. I do not recall the name
of the setting anymore and I would have to reboot to even look at the
SCSI BIOS settings, but if you have not looked there it might be one
place to look. I am using a Buslogic controller, so YMMV.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com                     29-Aug-99 03:04:28
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:07
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>

Duncan Munro wrote:

> Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
> usernames or passwords.
>
> I work for a university. I want to recieve my mail through my employer
> at work and at home (which I  do)  but when I am at home I want to
> send it via my private ISP. the university prohibits send mailing from
> off campus location except through telnet or  webmail. Both methods
> are very clumsy for the volume of mail that I get.

You should be able to set up the browser to use your private ISP's
SMTP server for sending mail, and the university's pop-server (and
password) for receiving mail, while you are logged into your private
ISP.  The only problem might be if the university won't allow you to
log in to the pop-server from an external domain.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team


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From: kris@dgraph.com                                   28-Aug-99 22:04:29
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:07
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>


Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> 
> Duncan Munro [via Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com/] ->
> comp.os.os2.misc:
> 
> ¯ Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
> ¯ usernames or passwords.
> »
> ¯ I work for a university. I want to recieve my mail through my employer
> ¯ at work and at home (which I  do)  but when I am at home I want to
> ¯ send it via my private ISP. the university prohibits send mailing from
> ¯ off campus location except through telnet or  webmail. Both methods
> ¯ are very clumsy for the volume of mail that I get.

The mail config in Netscape allows one to supply a different username
for the outgoing server and a different one for the incoming.

> 
> Solution: use something more decent than Nutscrape for news and mail.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> m a r t i n | n
> 
> --
> Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E
R K
> CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
> d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n      
http://zap.to/kw

-- 

**********************
DigiGraph Technical
http://www.dgraph.com
**********************

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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                29-Aug-99 04:17:16
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:07
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <37C899FF.D4371FE0@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
>I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
>Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:

   How do we know this is true, i.e, why didn't i, as a licensed
JStreet user get any notice about this, and why didn't Dan post
it anywhere on his WWW site, which BTW, has nothing else on it
but "Iceptur"?

>From: Dan Porter  6:21 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
>Subject: InnoVal and OS/2
>To: os2guy@warpcity.com
>
>Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is withdrawing
>the following products from marketing and support.
>
>Post Road Mailer for OS/2
>J Street Mailer for Java
>Web Willy Watch for OS/2
>
>Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
>at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
>distribute executable copies of the software through online software
>repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
>only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If you
>
>distribute the Post Road Mailer you must also distribute a serial number
>
>to allow a user to activate the product. You may use a serial number you
>
>received from us in the past (for release 3.0), or you may use serial
>number 31571728. You may also post serial numbers in newsgroups and
>websites. Online orders, for these specific products, placed with us
>during the last sixty days, have not been processed and customers
>credit cards have not been charged. These orders will be cancelled and
>customers are free to keep and use the downloaded code that they
>received when they placed their order.
>
>For me, personally, this is a sad day. Our company tried to hang in as
>long as possible with OS/2. OS/2 is still my favorite platform and OS/2
>customers are the best customers our company ever had. I have made many
>good friends through my associations with all of you. You ll still see
>me popping in at OS/2 users group meetings throughout the country when
>my travels coincide with a meeting.
>
>Our company continues to do very well. The consulting side of the
>business has always been strong. The most exciting area of business,
>however, is Iceptur. Iceptur is our new Internet filtering software for
>the Windows 95/98/NT platform. Despite the fact that there are over two
>hundred competitors in this market niche, we are experiencing phenomenal
>
>success. This is partly because of the unique technology we developed
>and partly because there is a strong demand for high quality Internet
>filtering solutions (release 2.0 will hit the streets by September 5th).
>
>We have entered into a number of strategic alliances with several
>companies to market Iceptur and license the underlying technology for
>use in other products.
>
>I need, now, to focus all of InnoVal s resources on Iceptur and our
>consulting business. I tried, during the past year, to juggle resources
>but in doing so was not doing the right kind of job for our customers,
>the OS/2 community at-large, InnoVal s employees, or InnoVal s owners.
>You made the Post Road Mailer into the number one email client for OS/2.
>
>You worked with us on J Street Mailer as we tried to negotiate a
>platform independent course with Java. You have my thanks and the thanks
>
>of everyone at InnoVal.
>
>We are moving on to bigger things, but not better. OS/2 was better and
>(oh, how I wish) it could have been big.
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Dan Porter, President
>InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.
>
>AND
>
>From: Dan Porter  6:22 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
>Subject: J Street Mailer Initiative
>To: os2guy@warpcity.com
>
>Let me state publically that I have no objection to any and all efforts
>to enhance J Street Mailer. No do I have any objection to free
>distribution. The team that worked on the original JSM project is
>pleased that their original work is so well recognized.
>
>Dan Porter, President
>InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.
>
>On a personal note:  I have been privileged to work and correspond
>with Dan Porter and the fine folks at InnoVal for several years now.
>No other OS/2 software developer has been more supportive or more
>gracious with their time, efforts and devotion to OS/2.  I thank Dan
>and his wonderful team of OS/2 programmers for all of their hard
>work and I know that they entire OS/2 community wishes InnoVal
>the best success on their future endeavors.
>
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City
>http://warpcity.com
>"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
>
>
>
>
>


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: dtander@agts.net                                  29-Aug-99 04:23:05
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:07
Subj: Re: the future of os/2 cosmetics...

From: dtander@agts.net (David T. Anderson)

On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:11:55, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> "Stephen Varga" <S_Varga@email.msn.com> said:
> 
> >There are also some problems that could be addressed in my opinion. 
> >... window adjustment (meaning
> >changing the position of buttons and loading bitmaps into the
> >titlebar 
> 
> I'm just dying for this feature - right after they update and upgrade
> useful stuff.

Have you looked at CAndyBarz for this?  It's still in beta, and caused
some problems for me...but it sure does look pretty...

David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta
http://www.agt.net/public/dtander/

Using ProNews/2 for OS/2 Warp

**NOSPAM**  To email me, remove the 's' from my address...

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From: kris@dgraph.com                                   28-Aug-99 22:20:25
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:07
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>

Well. looks like Innoval mail clients are now free. Use those.

"Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote:
> 
> Duncan Munro wrote:
> 
> > Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
> > usernames or passwords.
> >
> > I work for a university. I want to recieve my mail through my employer
> > at work and at home (which I  do)  but when I am at home I want to
> > send it via my private ISP. the university prohibits send mailing from
> > off campus location except through telnet or  webmail. Both methods
> > are very clumsy for the volume of mail that I get.
> 
> You should be able to set up the browser to use your private ISP's
> SMTP server for sending mail, and the university's pop-server (and
> password) for receiving mail, while you are logged into your private
> ISP.  The only problem might be if the university won't allow you to
> log in to the pop-server from an external domain.
> 
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation
> Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team

-- 

**********************
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http://www.dgraph.com
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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               28-Aug-99 21:49:19
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:07
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

> Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
> >I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
> >Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
>
>    How do we know this is true, i.e, why didn't i, as a licensed
> JStreet user get any notice about this, and why didn't Dan post
> it anywhere on his WWW site, which BTW, has nothing else on it
> but "Iceptur"?
>
> baden
>
> baden@unixg.ubc.ca
> http://baden.nu/
> OS/2, Solaris & Linux

I'm a licensed JStreet User.  I oversee the largest private OS/2-only
web site on the 'Net (Warp City).  Most of the news you find today
on public OS/2 web sites is more often than not reported by Warp
City first - just as it is in this case.  You are certainly welcome to
ignore my public messages.  The same information is now appearing
at the publicly accessible Warp Cast web site and has been repeated
in  these newsgroups by Judith Russell.  (WarpCast does not provide
the second message from Dan Porter regarding the  "J Street Mailer
Initiative".  Warp City has been running exclusive JSM information, files
and upgrades offered by Samatra Software (Paul vanKeep and now
Mike Bowler) to Warp City members, many of whom use JSM.  Dan
may have submitted it to us (Warp City) because he feels confident
we will report his feelings, public statements and support of the
the newly created JSM Initiative.  InnoVal has every right on earth
to be proud as punch of JSM.  It is the finest 100% Java emailer
program on the market today.  Emerald Mail, MailPuccini and the
other entries have yet to equal the quality and features of JSM.

Paul vanKeep and Mike Bowler have stepped forward to devote
their personal time and extraordinary Java programming skills
to ensure J Street Mailer stays 'out front' in the Java Emailer
category.  They have released a flurry of upgrades over the
last few weeks and are improving JSM with each release.  Another
release is expected any day now (PVK8).  A long list of new features
and bug fixes have been released.  Paul and Mike intend on improving
the quality of JSM beyond its current high quality state.  Their time,
efforts and exemplary work have all been offered for free because of
their admiration for the fine J Street Mailer.  JSM runs on Linux,
Windows95/98/NT, Mac and especially well on OS/2.   One program
that runs under all operating systems.  It is an amazing piece of
work created by InnoVal.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City"

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From: dtander@agts.net                                  29-Aug-99 04:52:18
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: must I upgrade BIOS?

From: dtander@agts.net (David T. Anderson)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:56:16, davisfnospam@union.edu wrote:

> Greetings!
> 
> By chance, I just came upon an AMD K6-2/450 chip which I'm thinking of
> installing in my brand-new ASUS P5A MB. 
> 
> The tech docs for the MB don't refer to this chip (they go no higher than
> 400mhz). On the website, there is talk of a BIOS upgrade to 'support' the
> 450.
> 
> I dread upgrading the BIOS. 
> 
> Does this mean, however, that's a _necessary_ step for running the chip on
> the MB, or can I just set the appropriate jumpers (according to specs on
> the website for the MB) and let her rip?
> 

You can certainly give it a try (ie. not upgrading the BIOS)...but 
there's a good chance that the MB won't properly identify your CPU.  I
don't THINK it will do any harm....

However, flash upgrading a mobo BIOS isn't really a horrifying an 
experience...just read the instructions over and over until you 
understand every step, make a backup (should be part of the process) 
and proceed with caution.  It's not that huge a deal.

David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta
http://www.agt.net/public/dtander/

Using ProNews/2 for OS/2 Warp

**NOSPAM**  To email me, remove the 's' from my address...

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From: billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net                29-Aug-99 00:52:07
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: "Billy Ko" <billko@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

On 27 Aug 1999 16:01:22 GMT, Zamp wrote:

:>Ciao.
:>
:>Anyone got it ?
:>Can it work with Os/2 ?
:>
Every time a new CPU comes out, people ask if it will work with OS/2.  It's
x86 backwards compatible, right?  Why shouldn't it work?  Maybe OS/2 can't
take full advantage of some new features, but it should be able to run just
fine.  :)

Bill
Team OS/2

-----

OS/2 - If you want "productivity" to be more than a few
four-letter words.



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From: dunmunro@direct.ca                                29-Aug-99 05:01:21
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)

Sonofa***h it works! I could have sworn that I tried this before I
couldnt get it going. It looks like it's remembering both passwords
and usernames. I wonder how it does that since I can't specify the
outgoing username/password?

thanks

Duncan

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:04:56 GMT, "Jeffrey S. Kobal"
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> wrote:

>
>Duncan Munro wrote:
>
>> Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
>> usernames or passwords.
>>
>> I work for a university. I want to recieve my mail through my employer
>> at work and at home (which I  do)  but when I am at home I want to
>> send it via my private ISP. the university prohibits send mailing from
>> off campus location except through telnet or  webmail. Both methods
>> are very clumsy for the volume of mail that I get.
>
>You should be able to set up the browser to use your private ISP's
>SMTP server for sending mail, and the university's pop-server (and
>password) for receiving mail, while you are logged into your private
>ISP.  The only problem might be if the university won't allow you to
>log in to the pop-server from an external domain.
>
>Jeffrey S. Kobal
>IBM Corporation
>Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team
>
>

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From: kris@dgraph.com                                   28-Aug-99 23:08:19
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>


Duncan Munro wrote:
> 
> Sonofa***h it works! I could have sworn that I tried this before I
> couldnt get it going. It looks like it's remembering both passwords
> and usernames. I wonder how it does that since I can't specify the
> outgoing username/password?

I do not think you need any auth info for the outgoing beyond the fact
that you have an IP address that is allowed to send outgoing mail. After
all, the server is run by your ISP that assigned you the IP address. Try
removing the outgoing username and it should still work (does here).
> 
> thanks
> 
> Duncan
> 
> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:04:56 GMT, "Jeffrey S. Kobal"
> <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >Duncan Munro wrote:
> >
> >> Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
> >> usernames or passwords.
> >>
> >> I work for a university. I want to recieve my mail through my employer
> >> at work and at home (which I  do)  but when I am at home I want to
> >> send it via my private ISP. the university prohibits send mailing from
> >> off campus location except through telnet or  webmail. Both methods
> >> are very clumsy for the volume of mail that I get.
> >
> >You should be able to set up the browser to use your private ISP's
> >SMTP server for sending mail, and the university's pop-server (and
> >password) for receiving mail, while you are logged into your private
> >ISP.  The only problem might be if the university won't allow you to
> >log in to the pop-server from an external domain.
> >
> >Jeffrey S. Kobal
> >IBM Corporation
> >Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team
> >
> >

-- 

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DigiGraph Technical
http://www.dgraph.com
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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        29-Aug-99 05:31:17
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Quirks of the WPS...

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:41:11, rlwalsh@127.0.0.1 (Rich Walsh) wrote:

> In <n34S6Erhpgnp-pn2-6SEj8EMKfKhd@ifurita>, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex 
Taylor) writes:
> 
> >First off, when creating a new icon or editing properties, I do wish
> >there was a way to "browse" through drives and directories, like
> >(and it really pains me to say it) the Redmond OS does.  As far as I
> >can tell, your choices are either to type the full pathname in 
> >manually, or do a Find.  Just bringing up an open-file dialog
> >so I could look through the directory tree would be much more
> >efficient - with an option to do a search as desired, of course.
> >
> >Is there some technique I haven't found that makes this easier, or
> >do other people also find this irritating?
> 
> On the whole, you're starting at the wrong end of the process.  *First*
> find the file, then either drag it to the desired folder to *automatically*
> create a program object, or select "Create Program Object" from the exe's
> popup menu, then select a target folder.  I almost never use templates for
> pgm objects, and when I do, I use DragText to fill in the filename and
> directory for me (that's why I wrote it originally).

Ahhhh... enlightenment!  Thanks.  Although, just as a remark, this doesn't 
seem to work under Warp 3 - there's no "Create Program Object" choice in 
the menu, and dragging creates a shadow of the executable, not a program
object.  My "production" machine is Warp 4 though, so no problem...

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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            29-Aug-99 02:02:23
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: must I upgrade BIOS?

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <TNkoV2GE2KH2-pn2-IPnhjNdem2FZ@localhost>, on 08/29/99 
   at 04:52 AM, dtander@agts.net (David T. Anderson) said:

>> Does this mean, however, that's a _necessary_ step for running the chip on
>> the MB, or can I just set the appropriate jumpers (according to specs on
>> the website for the MB) and let her rip?
>> 

>You can certainly give it a try (ie. not upgrading the BIOS)...but 
>there's a good chance that the MB won't properly identify your CPU.  I
>don't THINK it will do any harm....

>However, flash upgrading a mobo BIOS isn't really a horrifying an 
>experience...just read the instructions over and over until you 
>understand every step, make a backup (should be part of the process)  and
>proceed with caution.  It's not that huge a deal.

It was from reading the instructions over and over that I concluded it is
really a horrifying experience! The reports of BIOS corpses strewn along
the upgrade path also weren't encouraging.

I didn't flash the BIOS and the bootup recognized the cpu precisely. I
haven't done too much on the machine (although it's been running for 8 hrs
now) but it seems quite alright. 

It looks good.

Felmon

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: say@sfu.ca                                        29-Aug-99 06:02:26
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: say@sfu.ca (Daniel Say)

Baden Kudrenecky (baden@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:
: In <37C899FF.D4371FE0@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>
writes:
: >I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
: >Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:

:    How do we know this is true, i.e, why didn't i, as a licensed
: JStreet user get any notice about this, and why didn't Dan post
: it anywhere on his WWW site, which BTW, has nothing else on it
: but "Iceptur"?

: baden@unixg.ubc.ca : http://baden.nu/ : OS/2, Solaris & Linux

--------
	He also closed his "new at hobbes web site" recently
	according to the web-hoster
--------
#Linkname: [hobbes.nmsu.edu] Directory of /pub/new
#Link below withdrawn August 1999
#http://www.aescon.com/bestofos2/hobbes.htm

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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            29-Aug-99 02:11:21
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Jaz drive as "Big Floppy"?

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <37c89fd0$1$ofgrcuna$mr2ice@news.redshift.com>, on 08/28/99 
   at 07:47 PM, bstephan@redshift.com said:

>>Is it possible that there is no way I can convince the Jaz itself
>>that it  is OK for it to be mediumless when the machine boots?

>I also have a SCSI jaz, but I do not have that problem. As I recall, I
>did originally have such a problem but I found a setting in the SCSI
>controller BIOS that eliminated the problem. I do not recall the name of
>the setting anymore and I would have to reboot to even look at the SCSI
>BIOS settings, but if you have not looked there it might be one place to
>look. I am using a Buslogic controller, so YMMV.

Wondering about this, I'm looking for a similar setting on my Tekram.
Could it be 'Removable media as BIOS device: Disabled/Boot drive only/All
devices'? Using this though seems to involve further complications.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: 050812@sprint.ca                                  29-Aug-99 03:07:12
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: [HELP] I'm sooo confused about OS/2 Warp packages!

From: "050812" <050812@sprint.ca>

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I really like to try OS/2 Warp (version 3), but I can't seem to choose which
package to get.
Can anyone enlighten me a bit please?

1) so what's the difference between this "blue box" and "red box" thing?
2) what's the difference between "OS/2 Warp" and "OS/2 Warp Connect"?
3) do I really need this winos2 thing if I'm installing OS/2 on my new pc
(without any existing os)?
4) is there any more *confusing* packages that I'm not even aware of?

Thanks for the clearfication!


Edward

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From: osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi                             29-Aug-99 07:36:29
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: [HELP] I'm sooo confused about OS/2 Warp packages!

From: osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi (osmo vuorio)

In article <c15y3.78000$jl.50368450@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>, "050812"
<050812@sprint.ca> says:

>1) so what's the difference between this "blue box" and "red box" thing?
                                           with           without winos2
>2) what's the difference between "OS/2 Warp" and "OS/2 Warp Connect"?
                                   without         with Ethernet support
>3) do I really need this winos2 thing if I'm installing OS/2 on my new =
    This is upto you.
>4) is there any more *confusing* packages that I'm not even aware of?
    How even to find Warp3 version and then getting/installing fixpaks.

There is Warp4,

Osmo

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From: rk@adis.at                                        29-Aug-99 08:13:02
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Asus P5A-B, opinions?

From: rk@adis.at (Richard Koestenberger)

On 27 Aug 1999 09:00:04 +0200, michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de wrote:
>Yes, up to 128 MB for K6-II. The K6-III has its own cache, so the
>MB-cache becomes 3rd-level. German ct-Magazin stated, that there is
>only a 3 percent performance decline when switching 3rd-level cache
>off. So you can go above the 128MB barrier with the K6-III's.

I can confirm that. Running P5-A with K-III 400 and 384 MB cache.
Memory access is as quick as with 128 MB.



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From: arjen@removethis.hacom.nl                         29-Aug-99 11:13:19
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Can OS/2 users grow up and think like Linux users?

From: "Arjen Meijer" <arjen@removethis.hacom.nl>

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:09:54 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

:>1) Uninstall OD, which is probably 95% of what's
:>>> kerflooey on your system.  Replace with freeware Xfolder.

OD is extreme stable en very nice piece of software. It causes hardly any
unknown 
problems.

The real problem is the Workplace itself. It is FULL of bugs.  Have a look at
the 
APAR's since fixpack 1 and you will find numerous fixes for 'hangs'.  Only
after fixpack 
9 the WPS became fairly stable. Make new *.ini file after installing this
fixpack and 
enjoy Object Desktop AND Xfolder side by side. A winning combination.  Very
very 
good indeed.

Upgrade the the latest java en netscape code and this part of os/2 will also
become 
very stable.

I my opinion 96% of the bugs of Warp are caused by WARP itself.

Arjen


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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           29-Aug-99 09:39:07
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:17:33, baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky) 
wrote:

> In <37C899FF.D4371FE0@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>
writes:
> >I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
> >Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
> 
>    How do we know this is true, i.e, why didn't i, as a licensed
> JStreet user get any notice about this, and why didn't Dan post
> it anywhere on his WWW site, which BTW, has nothing else on it
> but "Iceptur"?
> 

<lots of snip>

Their WWW site page has a link to 

http://st6.yahoo.com/innoval/os2software.html

This page has legends about downloading FREE
copies of the software and the quoted serial number
31571728 to activate Post Road Mailer

Lorne Sunley

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            29-Aug-99 10:32:29
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <37C899FF.D4371FE0@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
>I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
>Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
>
>From: Dan Porter  6:21 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
>Subject: InnoVal and OS/2
>To: os2guy@warpcity.com
>
>Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is withdrawing
>the following products from marketing and support.
>
>Post Road Mailer for OS/2
>J Street Mailer for Java
>Web Willy Watch for OS/2
>
>Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
>at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
>distribute executable copies of the software through online software
>repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
>only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If you

Tim .. is there any way that those of us whom purchased the Spell
Checker for Post Road Mailer for OS/2 can get that code?  I, for
example, licensed and paid for it, but never got the actual code.  I'd
like to activate the feature, but can't find a copy of the code!

For me the paid-for version of PRM is a stable and very capable product.

//-----------------------------
Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org


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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      29-Aug-99 02:12:23
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid     (John Thompson)

In <37c87864.19223365@news.direct.ca>, dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)
writes:

>Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
>usernames or passwords.

smtp doesn't use username/password authentication so if you can 
send through smtp and receive with POP3 you should be set.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             29-Aug-99 12:19:08
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:08
Subj: Where is MMPM2 driver?

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

Where is the MMPM2 driver for Warp 3 (FP40)?

I'm still using an ancient PAS 16 and I wanted to play audio CD's and
can't figure a way to do it with a native OS/2 application.  I
downloaded something off of Hobbes and when I try to use it I get this
can't load MMPM2 driver.  Well, no wonder.  It's not there but I see an
MMPM2.INI file????

Interesting to note that an old DOS application that came with the card
called musicbox works just fine in the background and it's a TSR!

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net                         29-Aug-99 12:42:06
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:09
Subj: [WarpCast] InnoVal and OS/2

From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net

FYI

The OS/2 community is loosing an excellent supporter and I personally wish
him the best of luck in his new endeavors.

j.

From: "WarpCast News Service" <feedback@os2ezine.com>
Newsgroups: lserve.warpcast
Subject: [WarpCast] InnoVal and OS/2
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 99 21:17:07
Message-ID: <729994.38222935@jpedone.flash.net>
Reply-To: <news@os2ezine.com>

              Coming August 1999 -- Inet.Mail Pro 1.5
         Virtual domains on a single ip address, increased
     performance, and more from the best mail server for OS/2.
            http://www.hethmon.com -- sales@hethmon.com
****************************** WarpCast ******************************

Source: Dan Porter (porter@innoval.com)
Moderator: Christopher B. Wright (wrightc@dtcweb.com)
**********************************************************************
 
Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is 
withdrawing the following products from marketing and 
support.

Post Road Mailer for OS/2
J Street Mailer for Java
Web Willy Watch for OS/2

Anyone may download free copies of these products from our 
online store at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In 
addition, anyone may freely distribute executable copies of 
the software through online software repositories and 
websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will only 
be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. 
If you distribute the Post Road Mailer you must also 
distribute a serial number to allow a user to activate the 
product. You may use a serial number you received from us in 
the past (for release 3.0), or you may use serial number 
31571728. You may also post serial numbers in newsgroups and 
websites. Online orders, for these specific products, placed 
with us during the last sixty days, have not been processed 
and customers' credit cards have not been charged. These 
orders will be cancelled and customers are free to keep and 
use the downloaded code that they received when they placed 
their order. 

For me, personally, this is a sad day. Our company tried to 
hang in as long as possible with OS/2. OS/2 is still my 
favorite platform and OS/2 customers are the best customers 
our company ever had. I have made many good friends through 
my associations with all of you. You'll still see me popping 
in at OS/2 users group meetings throughout the country when 
my travels coincide with a meeting.

Our company continues to do very well. The consulting side 
of the business has always been strong. The most exciting 
area of business, however, is Iceptur. Iceptur is our new 
Internet filtering software for the Windows 95/98/NT 
platform. Despite the fact that there are over two hundred 
competitors in this market niche, we are experiencing 
phenomenal success. This is partly because of the unique 
technology we developed and partly because there is a strong 
demand for high quality Internet filtering solutions 
(release 2.0 will hit the streets by September 5th). We have 
entered into a number of strategic alliances with several 
companies to market Iceptur and license the underlying 
technology for use in other products.

I need, now, to focus all of InnoVal's resources on Iceptur 
and our consulting business. I tried, during the past year, 
to juggle resources but in doing so was not doing the right 
kind of job for our customers, the OS/2 community at-large, 
InnoVal's employees, or InnoVal's owners. You made the Post 
Road Mailer into the number one email client for OS/2. You 
worked with us on J Street Mailer as we tried to negotiate a 
platform independent course with Java. You have my thanks 
and the thanks of everyone at InnoVal.

We are moving on to bigger things, but not better. OS/2 was 
better and (oh, how I wish) it could have been big.

Thanks again,

Dan Porter, President
InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.





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From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net                         29-Aug-99 12:42:07
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:09
Subj: Re: Netscape and two Inet providers

From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net

In <37c87864.19223365@news.direct.ca>, dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro)
writes:
>Same in 4.04, however it does not let me specify two different
>usernames or passwords.
>
>I work for a university. I want to recieve my mail through my employer
>at work and at home (which I  do)  but when I am at home I want to
>send it via my private ISP. the university prohibits send mailing from
>off campus location except through telnet or  webmail. Both methods
>are very clumsy for the volume of mail that I get.
>

Have you tried looking at the profile option?  I.e. with NS 4.04 and later
you can start netscape as netscape.exe -mail -P"isp1" This will bring up
the e-mail portion of NS with the the appropriated settings for isp1.
  It's not as convenient as a program like pmmail but it works for
multiple accounts.


 
J. Pedone
jpedone@flash.net
http://www.flash.net/~jpedone
 
Windows NT?  New Technology?  I don't think so...
Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers.

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From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net                         29-Aug-99 12:42:09
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:09
Subj: Re: Quirks of the WPS...

From: jpedone_no_spam@flash.net

In <n34S6Erhpgnp-pn2-ihdFKL2FPtGx@ifurita>, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex
Taylor) writes:
>On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:41:11, rlwalsh@127.0.0.1 (Rich Walsh) wrote:
>
>> In <n34S6Erhpgnp-pn2-6SEj8EMKfKhd@ifurita>, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca
(Alex Taylor) writes:
>> 
>
>Ahhhh... enlightenment!  Thanks.  Although, just as a remark, this doesn't 
>seem to work under Warp 3 - there's no "Create Program Object" choice in 
>the menu, and dragging creates a shadow of the executable, not a program
>object.  My "production" machine is Warp 4 though, so no problem...
>

But the default action is modifiable!  Right click on the desktop and open
the properties.  Go to the desktop tab and select the default action.

 
J. Pedone
jpedone@flash.net
http://www.flash.net/~jpedone
 
Windows NT - Nice Try
Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          29-Aug-99 13:45:27
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:09
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:17:33, baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky) 
wrote:

:  How do we know this is true, i.e, why didn't i, as a licensed
: JStreet user get any notice about this, and why didn't Dan post
: it anywhere on his WWW site, which BTW, has nothing else on it
: but "Iceptur"?

 See http://st6.yahoo.com/innoval/os2software.html

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu                          29-Aug-99 09:51:00
  To: 050812@sprint.ca                                  29-Aug-99 15:49:09
Subj: Re: [HELP] I'm sooo confused about OS/2 Warp packages!

To: "050812" <050812@sprint.ca>
From: Kevin Croxen <klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu>

Warp 3 includes just a dialup client; Warp 3 Connect includes all networking
support.. Warp 3 blue spine includes a copy of win3.1 code for 16-bit Windows
app support; Warp 3 red spine requires that you supply your own windows 3.1
for
16-bit winapp support.

So the all-around most complete package is Warp Connect blue spine. 

However, pick up any copy of Warp Connect blue or red in preference to plain
Warp blue or red. The complete version of  tcpip and peer networking are no
longer sold as separate products, and can only be found in Warp Connect.  By
contrast copies of win3.1 to supplement Warp red spine or Warp Connect red
spine are to be had virtually anywhere.

Cheers,

--Kevin


On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, 050812 wrote:
>>I really like to try OS/2 Warp (version 3), but I can't seem to choose which 
package to get.
>Can anyone enlighten me a bit please?
>
>1) so what's the difference between this "blue box" and "red box" thing?
>2) what's the difference between "OS/2 Warp" and "OS/2 Warp Connect"?
>3) do I really need this winos2 thing if I'm installing OS/2 on my new pc
(without any existing os)?
>4) is there any more *confusing* packages that I'm not even aware of?
>
>Thanks for the clearfication!
>
>
>Edward
>

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      29-Aug-99 13:41:07
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:09
Subj: Re: Quirks of the WPS...

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid     (John Thompson)

In <n34S6Erhpgnp-pn2-ihdFKL2FPtGx@ifurita>, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex
Taylor) writes:

>Ahhhh... enlightenment!  Thanks.  Although, just as a remark, this doesn't 
>seem to work under Warp 3 - there's no "Create Program Object" choice in 
>the menu, and dragging creates a shadow of the executable, not a program
>object.  My "production" machine is Warp 4 though, so no problem...

Running Warp v3 here I see "Create Another...Program object" from
the MB2 pop-up menu.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: ispalten@austin.rr.com                            29-Aug-99 15:02:14
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:09
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@austin.rr.com>


Darin McBride wrote:
 > 
 >       How do I commit to a level of service?
 >       What can I delete from my computer after I commit to a level of 
 >service?

 You commit by deleting.

Darin, this is NOT the way to COMMIT. Very DANGEROUS way. The FixTool
has a COMMIT function, and it should be used. It will set the proper
service level items and delete necessary file, except the ARCHIVE as it
might have been used by more than one machine. After you do COMMIT, you
can DELETE the ARCHIVE directory if you know it is no longer used.

The dangerous part of not letting the FixTool do the COMMIT is that you
could apply an older FP than the one already on the system, and in doing
so, results are unpredictable. Using the COMMIT feature of the FixTool,
there is a safeguard to make sure this doesn't happen.

Section 7 of the FixTool READ.ME file covers how to do COMMIT's and
BACKOUT's using FSERVICE.EXE. If using SERVICE.EXE, you need to use the
ADVANCED funtions.


 >4.  How does one "back out" of a level of service?

 Not sure - never done this.  :-)

See above...

Irv

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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         29-Aug-99 15:20:02
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 15:49:09
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:17:33 GMT, Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

>>I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
>>Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
>
>   How do we know this is true, i.e, why didn't i, as a licensed
>JStreet user get any notice about this, and why didn't Dan post
>it anywhere on his WWW site, which BTW, has nothing else on it
>but "Iceptur"?

It's true, Baden. Warpcast carried the announcement from Mr. Porter.


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From: nenad@my-deja.com                                 29-Aug-99 17:59:14
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 16:52:17
Subj: Re: Latest of XFree86?

From: Nenad <nenad@my-deja.com>

  veit@simi.gmd.de (Holger Veit) wrote:

> I have binaries of 3.3.5 for a week at the server but I can't
> release them unless XFree86 themselves does not announce 3.3.5 :-(

Will it work on Aurora?

Nenad


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From: nenad@my-deja.com                                 29-Aug-99 17:59:11
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 16:52:17
Subj: Re: Latest of XFree86?

From: Nenad <nenad@my-deja.com>

  veit@simi.gmd.de (Holger Veit) wrote:

> I have binaries of 3.3.5 for a week at the server but I can't
> release them unless XFree86 themselves does not announce 3.3.5 :-(

Will it work on Aurora?

Nenad


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From: spamnot@mylittlepoopoo.net                        29-Aug-99 14:36:02
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 16:52:17
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: "Harry Thompson" <spamnot@mylittlepoopoo.net>

Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
news:37C899FF.D4371FE0@WarpCity.com...
> I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
> Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
>
> From: Dan Porter  6:21 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
> Subject: InnoVal and OS/2
> To: os2guy@warpcity.com
>
> Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is withdrawing
> the following products from marketing and support.
>
> Post Road Mailer for OS/2
> J Street Mailer for Java
> Web Willy Watch for OS/2
>
> Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store

------------------snip----------------------------

Thanks, but no thanks.


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From: letoured@sover.net                                29-Aug-99 15:02:09
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 16:52:17
Subj: Re: [HELP] I'm sooo confused about OS/2 Warp packages!

From: letoured@sover.net

>I really like to try OS/2 Warp (version 3), but I can't seem to choose
>which package to get. Can anyone enlighten me a bit please?

Why version 3? Version 4 has been out for a couple of years now.

>1) so what's the difference between this "blue box" and "red box" thing?

When Version 3 was built it was sold two ways; The Red Box which had only
OS2 and used Windows 3.1 if you had it on your machine if you wanted to
run Windows programs. 

The Blue box included a version of Windows 3.1  with about 100 less bugs
then the Microsoft version. -- It was a better windows the windows!

>2) what's the difference between "OS/2 Warp" and "OS/2 Warp Connect"?

Warp Connect was a version that included networking. -- Everything in it
is now included in Warp 4.

<3)>do I really need this winos2 thing if I'm installing OS/2 on my new pc
>(without any existing os)? 

You need Win-Os2 only if you want to run any Windows 3.1 programs. I think
there are also a few Netscape addins that run under Win-OS2.

4) is there any more *confusing* packages that I'm not even aware of?

Yes. But for a single machine you don;t need to know anything about them.

_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   29-Aug-99 19:50:24
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 19:53:19
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

This follows Irv Spalten's post.  The CSF read.me doesn't say 
how a standalone computer user should commit stuff.  It only 
talks of committing with a response file.

In <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-1PxK1cuW0rwq@localhost>, wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)
writes:
>I am looking for a plain-english description of how and when to apply 
>fixpacks. 

>3.  What (in plain English, please) does it mean to "commit to a level
>of service"?

With OS/2, when you apply any fixpack, you're given the option
of dumping it and going back to your old setup if you don't
like it.  That is, you can 'back out' of any fixpack if it's 
not working out for you.

On the other hand, OK, so you've applied a fixpack of some 
sort and, after a week or so, you've decided it's working OK
for you.  I mean, they usually _do, y'know.  You then 'commit'
to it, that is, you go through a tiddly process to make it
permanent.    :-)

>	What happens to my computer when I commit to a level of
>           service?
>	What gets archived?
>	What gets backed up?
>	What gets deleted?
>	What happens if I apply service without comitting to the current 
>           level of service?  	
>      Why would I ever want to "commit to a level of 
>             service"?

The old fileswhich are replaced are stored in a directory with 
the archive bit set so you can't delete them 
straightforwardly, all 10 or 50 or so MB of them.  

When you commit, the commit process brings all the syslevel 
entries up to date and takes off the archive bits on those 
files, so you can DEL C:\Archive\*.* 

>	How do I commit to a level of service?
>	What can I delete from my computer after I commit to a level of 
>service?

To commit to a level of service....

===============start===========================

You need the Corrective Service Facility 2-b version 1.41 or 
so, and the first Corrective Service Diskette of any fixpack.  

Stuff the CSF v1.41 into A: and enter SERVICE.

When it says, insert the Corrective Service Diskette 1, click 
OK.

The system will inspect itself.

When the 'Serviceable Products' menu comes up, click on 
'Change product list...'==>'Uncommitted products'==>OK and 
when it says it's done, cancel out.  That's it, it's pretty 
fast.

---------------

To back out of a fixpack, instead of 'Uncommitted Products', 
click on 'Backed Up Products'==>OK.

================end==================================


>4.  How does one "back out" of a level of service?

See above.

>5. When and how does one delete no longer used files? 
>    When is it safe to do so?
>   Why would I ever want to do that?
>   Where are the files that can be deleted?

After you've committed a fixpack, you can DEL C:\Archive\*.*, 
because the archive bit has been lifted, specifically so you 
can do that.

Then you have committed to the new higher level of service, 
that is, you can't go back to your old level any more, and you 
have cleaned about 10 MB of unused files off your system.  I 
guess this is really the final part of the process of applying
a fixpack.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   29-Aug-99 20:02:23
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 19:53:19
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <37C94B81.AC445255@austin.rr.com>, Irv Spalten <ispalten@austin.rr.com>
writes:
>
>
>Darin McBride wrote:
> > 
> >       How do I commit to a level of service?
> >       What can I delete from my computer after I commit to a level of 
> >service?
>
> You commit by deleting.
>
>Darin, this is NOT the way to COMMIT. Very DANGEROUS way. The FixTool
>has a COMMIT function, and it should be used. 

The readme for the fixpacks and CSF for OS/2 v2.0 explained
how to commit from the CSF menu, as you've described.  

I'd swear that somewhere along the way, the FP and/or CSF 
readmes said that to commit to a FP, just delete the files in 
the Archive directory.

I remember, two long years ago, a friend asking me how to 
commit and I said to start the CSF diskettes and on the second 
menu, click on commit <blah>, and he said Well, ya just delete 
everything in the Archive file, that's what it says here.  And
I looked and it did.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   29-Aug-99 20:43:05
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 19:53:19
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <c1.2b8.2S0Tfd$0Fz@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:

>The old fileswhich are replaced are stored in a directory with 
>the archive bit set so you can't delete them 
>straightforwardly, all 10 or 50 or so MB of them.  
>
>When you commit, the commit process brings all the syslevel 
>entries up to date and takes off the archive bits on those 
>files, so you can DEL C:\Archive\*.* 

Correction.  It _doesn't take the archive bit off those files. 
Now I don't know what the official thing to do is, to delete 
those things after a successful commit.

Are we supposed to run ATTRIB and DEL or what?


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               29-Aug-99 23:04:02
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 19:53:19
Subj: Re: [HELP] I'm sooo confused about OS/2 Warp packages!

Message sender: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de

From: Christian Hennecke <christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>

Kevin Croxen schrieb:
> 
> Warp 3 includes just a dialup client; Warp 3 Connect includes all networking
> support.. Warp 3 blue spine includes a copy of win3.1 code for 16-bit
Windows
> app support; Warp 3 red spine requires that you supply your own windows 3.1
for
> 16-bit winapp support.
> 
> So the all-around most complete package is Warp Connect blue spine.
> 
> However, pick up any copy of Warp Connect blue or red in preference to plain
> Warp blue or red. The complete version of  tcpip and peer networking are no
> longer sold as separate products, and can only be found in Warp Connect.  By
> contrast copies of win3.1 to supplement Warp red spine or Warp Connect red
> spine are to be had virtually anywhere.

Another reason for choosing Warp 3 Connect is that IBM has recently
announced to withdraw support for plain Warp 3. So new fixpaks will only
be made for Warp 3 connect.

BTW, choosing Merlin aka Warp 4 has some advantages over Warp 3. The
multimedia system is more tightly integrated, new objects have been
introduced (especially URL objects come on in very handy for
downloading), it's a bit faster (at least here), there's the Warpcenter
and new software (Netscape, Java,...) can often be installed/run with a
lot less hassles.
I don't know if Warp 4 needs more resources than Warp 3 or vice versa.
Anyway, I've run both on a 486DX2/66 and DX4/100. If you have enough
memory they'll run quite fast.

BTW2, the confusion all those packages caused is the reason why there's
just one Warp 4 I think.

Christian Hennecke
-- 
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: abuse@orac.clara.co.uk                            29-Aug-99 21:49:01
  To: All                                               29-Aug-99 19:53:19
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | )  do text only?

From: abuse@orac.clara.co.uk (Paul Ratcliffe)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:14:44 GMT, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
wrote:

>I wrote a cat.exe which write out a file's contents in binary.
>I think the program is working, but when I redirect is with
>| or > I think these are only allowing text mode file operations!

You are opening the file in text mode by the sound of it, when you really
want binary mode. How you select this is dependant on language/compiler and
you don't say which you are using.....

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             29-Aug-99 15:38:13
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 03:42:11
Subj: Re: Jaz drive as "Big Floppy"?

From: bstephan@redshift.com

I took a look at my Buslogic SCSI BIOS settings when I booted today,
and I think the setting I was referring to is called "Map removable as
fixed" which I have turned off. I also recall that such a setting was
not available on a different SCSI controller that I once used and I
could not find a way around the problem with that controller, so it
may not be available in general.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   29-Aug-99 22:20:24
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 03:42:11
Subj: Re: where to get OS/2 Warp?

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

(The original post never made it here).

>>050812 wrote:
>
>>> Hello all, I'm interested in OS/2 Warp, and would like to give it a
>>> try. Could anyone please tell me where to get version 3, and what's
>>> the price for it? 

I'd get one from eBay, www.ebay.com and search on "os/2", or 
else a computer flea market.  About $20US.

They're available from IBM and software retailers too.  Any 
one can get if for you if he doesn't have it in stock. About 
$200US.

>>> Thanks! Oh and by the way, I'm still pretty confused
>>> about the OS/2 version numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong: OS/2 --->
>>> OS/2 version 2.1 ---> OS/2 Warp version 3 ---> OS/2 Warp 4 (means
>>> version 4?) Did I guess this right? 

That's quite correct.

You'll do well to go after 'OS/2 Warp Version 3, blue spine', 
as you've suggested.  Blue spine means it has a very nice 32 
bit Win3 package included, and you want Warp v3 because it has
a bunch of very attractive software, including the Internet 
Access Kit and a fax program.

Warp sort of means that version was aimed more at home users 
rather than corporate customers, so it was packaged with a 
neato Star Trek image.  Nothing more.

Red and Blue Spine.  Each of these came out in 2 or 3 
variations.  OS/2 v3 came out as (a)OS/2 Warp v3 _with Windows
included (the box had a blue spine) and (b)OS/2 Warp v3 which 
would use your Windows that you have now (the box had a red 
spine), thereby saving royalties to MicroSoft, and (c)OS/2 
Warp Connect with peer-to-peer networking.

The labelling on the boxes is confusing, so they're referred
to as OS/2 Blue Spine and OS/2 Red Spine.

You've said you want to try out OS/2, so I say go after v3 for
$20.  Others recommend OS/2 v4.  Well, that's the $120 job, 
and you can go for that after you've tried v3 and it works 
well for you.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: alan@royal.net                                    29-Aug-99 17:14:24
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 03:42:11
Subj: HPFS from (ugh!) Win95 or Win98 ???

From: Al York <alan@royal.net>

I hate to have to do this but I need to access my Warp 4 HPFS files from
a Windows 98 system.

Does anyone know of a suitable Win98 driver or utility?

Thanks  - Al York

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From: ale76@cornell.edu                                 30-Aug-99 00:54:28
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 03:42:11
Subj: os/2 warp 4

From: ale76@cornell.edu (Andy Lin, remove the e to send an email to me.)

anyone willing to sell me a "copy" of os/2 warp 4?

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From: stevem@execpc.com                                 29-Aug-99 20:03:03
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 03:42:11
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: "Steve McCrystal" <stevem@execpc.com>

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:17:33 GMT, Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

>why didn't i, as a licensed JStreet user get any notice about this,

Why didn't I, as a registered user of two of the three programs in question? 
Who the hell know.  Who 
cares.  Trust me, it's true.

> and why didn't Dan post it anywhere on his WWW site, 

Innoval hasn't done anything with their site in some time now.  In fact, you
get linked to Yahoo, IIRC.  



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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               30-Aug-99 01:12:09
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 03:42:11
Subj: Re: os/2 warp 4

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:54:56, ale76@cornell.edu (Andy Lin, remove the e 
to send an email to me.) a ‚crit:

> anyone willing to sell me a "copy" of os/2 warp 4?

	Have you tried e-Bay?

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.07)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 29-Aug-99 20:28:25
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:12
Subj: Re: [WarpCast] InnoVal and OS/2

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, jpedone_no_spam@flash.net spake unto us, saying:

>The OS/2 community is loosing an excellent supporter and I personally
>wish him the best of luck in his new endeavors.

Innoval never wrote any software I was interested in, but they were a
company which seemed to produce some good things for other OS/2 users.

I'm also sad to see them leave the OS/2 market.  :-(

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                  Where'd you get the coconut, then?

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From: joehenley@worldnet.att.net                        29-Aug-99 20:58:17
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:12
Subj: Re: Wanted: Driver for Yamaha YMF724 Sound Card

From: "Joseph O. Henley" <joehenley@worldnet.att.net>

Anyone know if these drivers will work on the Yamaha 740 DS1-L PCI
chip.  I have one of those on my Intel mobo SE440BX-2.  It's disabled
now and I'm using my trusty OLD Creative Labs ISA card.  But I'd love to
use the 740 on the mobo if possible.

Joe

Lorne Sunley wrote:
> 
> It was just added to the list of drivers at the IBM Device Driver Pack
> 
> Look under "Multimedia Audio" - "Yamaha Corporation of America"
> 
> Lorne Sunley
> 
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:46:39, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
> 
> > OS/2 user seeking driver for Yamaha YMF724
> > sound card.
> >
> > If you know the status of such a driver or one
> > that can be used in place (generic?) please
> > post here or email me personally.  Thank you.
> >
> > Tim Martin
> > The OS/2 Guy
> > Warp City
> > http://warpcity.com
> > "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
> >

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From: heloman@my-deja.com                               30-Aug-99 01:47:21
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: RoadRunner cable service

From: heloman@my-deja.com

I attended a presentation at the local computer store
where TimeWarner was running their RoadRunner
internet service. As usual and most typical once I
mentioned OS/2 he emphatically exclaimed,"WE don't
provide any help with that operating system!". While
I didn't mind what really has me stuped is the fact
they utilize some sort of signon/logon program
(windows only). According to them there is no way to
bypass it. Is anyone using the RoadRunner service and
IF so how/what did/are you using to get around the
logon program? What lan card are you using/recommend
and where can I get the driver(s) required for it? I
am really getting tired of 2300+/- bps and downloads
taking up to several hours when it can be done much
much faster. Thanks for any help and suggestions
offered in advance.....


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From: jbigge@novagate.com                               30-Aug-99 02:05:12
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: OS/2 training?

From: jbigge@novagate.com (Jerome Bigge)

On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:51:29 GMT, morgannalefey@my-deja.com wrote:

>I've been poking around the web looking for places that offer OS/2
>training (I have to get up an running on this fast, and I just don't
>know much about it, though I've learned a lot in the last week).  I'm
>not finding much.  There are what look like great classes being offered
>in Australia, but, well, they're not gonna send me to Australia for a
>class. :)  Though someplace in the US (or maybe Canada) would be a good
>possibility.
>
>I've got the basics down.  I understand the GUI interface, the point
>and click, all that stuff.  I need to know more about how it works and
>how you set things up in it because I'll be supporting a PSF2 print
>server set up on this OS/2 computer.  I can't be calling IBM every day
>whenever anything goes wrong
>
>So I'm hoping that someone out there knows about some classes I could
>take. :)

You could consider teaching yourself from books.  Try a major web
seller like AMAZON.COM.  I also located a "For Dummies" book on
OS/2 on EBAY.  (www.ebay.com)  Enough to get a person started.
I'm sure that there were plenty of books written on OS/2 at one time
or another.  Try a major public library, have them do a search thru
the library system.  Most libraries are interconnected in a network
today, and can locate books at libaries perhaps a hundred miles
away.  So even if there isn't anyone who teaching a class on OS/2
doesn't mean that you can't get the knowledge you want to learn.

CompTIA A+ Certified Computer Technician
Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                30-Aug-99 02:07:11
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <37C8BBE3.90229050@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
>Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

>the second message from Dan Porter regarding the  "J Street Mailer
>Initiative".  Warp City has been running exclusive JSM information, files
>and upgrades offered by Samatra Software (Paul vanKeep and now
>Mike Bowler) to Warp City members, many of whom use JSM.  Dan
>may have submitted it to us (Warp City) because he feels confident
>we will report his feelings, public statements and support of the
>the newly created JSM Initiative.  InnoVal has every right on earth
>to be proud as punch of JSM.  It is the finest 100% Java emailer
>program on the market today.  Emerald Mail, MailPuccini and the
>other entries have yet to equal the quality and features of JSM.
>
>Paul vanKeep and Mike Bowler have stepped forward to devote
>their personal time and extraordinary Java programming skills
>to ensure J Street Mailer stays 'out front' in the Java Emailer
>category.  They have released a flurry of upgrades over the
>last few weeks and are improving JSM with each release.  Another
>release is expected any day now (PVK8).  A long list of new features
>and bug fixes have been released.  Paul and Mike intend on improving
>the quality of JSM beyond its current high quality state.  Their time,
>efforts and exemplary work have all been offered for free because of
>their admiration for the fine J Street Mailer.  JSM runs on Linux,
>Windows95/98/NT, Mac and especially well on OS/2.   One program
>that runs under all operating systems.  It is an amazing piece of
>work created by InnoVal.

   Where can obtain the JStreet updates, as there was not on
Innoval's site, even before they ditched everything?

   I am currently looking for a new mail program to replace
UltiMail, and I am testing PMMail, JStreet, and now Post Road,
and the only program that even comes close to my acceptability,
is JStreet, however, it's memory footprint is huge, and that may
preclude me from using it, and besides, I would like to actually
support native OS/2 software.


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: jbigge@novagate.com                               30-Aug-99 02:12:07
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: where to get OS/2 Warp?

From: jbigge@novagate.com (Jerome Bigge)

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:26:52 -0500, "050812" <050812@sprint.ca> wrote:

>Hello all, I'm interested in OS/2 Warp, and would like to give it a try.
Could anyone please tell me where to get version 3, and what's the price for
it? Thanks!
>
>Oh and by the way, I'm still pretty confused about the OS/2 version numbers.
Correct me if I'm wrong:
>
>OS/2 ---> OS/2 version 2.1 ---> OS/2 Warp version 3 ---> OS/2 Warp 4 (means
version 4?)
>
>Did I guess this right?
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>Edward

Try EBAY if you aren't afraid of bidding in an online auction.
The url is "http://www.ebay.com"  

You can probably find OS/2 Warp Version 3 for about $20.00 or
even less.  Get it on CD-ROM if you can.  If you have Windows 3.1
you can use the version without Windows, otherwise you'll need
the version with Windows and that will cost a bit more.  I've seen
OS/2 version 2.0, 2.1, 3, and 4 being offered.  Prices of course
go up as the version number rises.

CompTIA A+ Certified Computer Technician
Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

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From: jbigge@novagate.com                               30-Aug-99 02:17:00
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Why does Lose98 damage my OS/2-FAT floppies?

From: jbigge@novagate.com (Jerome Bigge)

On Sat, 28 Aug 99 22:30:49 GMT, ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew
Stephenson) wrote:

>An annoying interaction between floppies formatted under OS/2's
>FORMAT and operations done on W98 machines (owned by friends with
>whom I need to exchange files) is getting right up my nose.
>
>The common factor appears to be Zipped files being accessed; but
>it may just be M$ arrogance at work.  Essentially: I format the
>disk; it is put into a W98 machine's drive for a simple write or
>read task, with the files having no special attributes beyond the
>old DOS set; I try to use it in an OS/2 (Warp 4) machine; and it
>has been mucked up, so that either OS/2 cannot read it ("badly
>formatted") or, after I copy a file to it, it cannot now be read
>by a W98 machine ("not formatted" -- even though OS/2 can see the
>stuff on it just fine).
>
>In one case, one could _see_ W98 mess with the file (plain text):
>on being opened (without a save operation), it was given a new
>extension.  That disk would have been embarrassing garbage, with
>no way to read it, had not OS/2's (new) CHKDSK been able to fix
>the corruption.
>
>What the heck is going on?  Are we to assume that W98 will not
>even respect the standard of old FAT disks any more?

My Compaq 2286 (Windows 98) will not read standard density
3.5" disks when it is not operating under Windows.  It will read
the HD 1.44meg ok, but not the older 720k disks.  I'm not sure
this is Microsoft's doing, or Compaq's however.  Compaq is
infamous for using "non-standard" parts, and this may be it.

CompTIA A+ Certified Computer Technician
Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

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From: jbigge@novagate.com                               30-Aug-99 02:24:19
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: [HELP] I'm sooo confused about OS/2 Warp packages!

From: jbigge@novagate.com (Jerome Bigge)

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:07:25 -0500, "050812" <050812@sprint.ca> wrote:

>I really like to try OS/2 Warp (version 3), but I can't seem to choose which
package to get.
>Can anyone enlighten me a bit please?
>
>1) so what's the difference between this "blue box" and "red box" thing?
>2) what's the difference between "OS/2 Warp" and "OS/2 Warp Connect"?
>3) do I really need this winos2 thing if I'm installing OS/2 on my new pc
(without any existing os)?
>4) is there any more *confusing* packages that I'm not even aware of?
>
>Thanks for the clearfication!
>
>
>Edward

Red box is for those who have Windows 3.x.  Blue is for those don't.
If you don't need Windows (not running Windows programs) it doesn't
really matter.  OS/2 will run MS-DOS programs just great anyway, much
better than Windows 3.x.

OS/2 Warp is version "3".  There is also version "4" which is more
advanced and offers somewhat more.  Whether or not you will
want 4 is up to you.  You can find copies of OS/2 Warp for bidding
on E-Bay (http://www.ebay.com) at quite reasonable prices.  Low
enough to make it worth trying, even if you later decide that you'd
rather stick with Micro$oft and their "bloatware"...

CompTIA A+ Certified Computer Technician
Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

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From: "operagost"@e-mail.com (remove t...               30-Aug-99 02:27:29
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

Message sender: "operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )

From: Stephen Eickhoff <"operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )>


Tim Martin wrote:

> I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
> Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
>
> From: Dan Porter  6:21 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
> Subject: InnoVal and OS/2
> To: os2guy@warpcity.com
>
> Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is withdrawing
> the following products from marketing and support.
>
> Post Road Mailer for OS/2
> J Street Mailer for Java
> Web Willy Watch for OS/2

Join the club of plane-jumpers!

>
> Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
> at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
> distribute executable copies of the software through online software
> repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
> only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If you

Ooh, I can have a product that will be obsolete in months for FREE!

> For me, personally, this is a sad day. Our company tried to hang in as
> long as possible with OS/2. OS/2 is still my favorite platform and OS/2
> customers are the best customers our company ever had. I have made many
> good friends through my associations with all of you. You ll still see
> me popping in at OS/2 users group meetings throughout the country when
> my travels coincide with a meeting.

I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I'd rather not see ya.

What are you going to do, convince us to move to Windows so we can use your
products?

>
> Our company continues to do very well. The consulting side of the
> business has always been strong. The most exciting area of business,
> however, is Iceptur. Iceptur is our new Internet filtering software for
> the Windows 95/98/NT platform. Despite the fact that there are over two
> hundred competitors in this market niche, we are experiencing phenomenal

>
> success. This is partly because of the unique technology we developed
> and partly because there is a strong demand for high quality Internet
> filtering solutions (release 2.0 will hit the streets by September 5th).

I doubt it. Everyone I speak to has never heard of your company. And I was
plugging Web Willy, it was a product that was actually more than just a
pattern matcher.
However, it's unlikely you'll be able to pull away much market from Cyber
Patrol, much less Microsoft when they enter the market any day now.

>
> We have entered into a number of strategic alliances with several
> companies to market Iceptur and license the underlying technology for
> use in other products.
>

Oh, I guess the terms of the contract was to ditch OS/2.
Hope one of them is MS, if you intend to survive.

>
> I need, now, to focus all of InnoVal s resources on Iceptur and our
> consulting business. I tried, during the past year, to juggle resources
> but in doing so was not doing the right kind of job for our customers,
> the OS/2 community at-large, InnoVal s employees, or InnoVal s owners.
> You made the Post Road Mailer into the number one email client for OS/2.
>

When was that? Nobody I know uses it. It's between PMMail and Netscape.

>
> You worked with us on J Street Mailer as we tried to negotiate a
> platform independent course with Java. You have my thanks and the thanks
>
> of everyone at InnoVal.

Sorry you failed. Better luck with  0.5% of that crowded niche you were
talking about.

>
> We are moving on to bigger things, but not better. OS/2 was better and
> (oh, how I wish) it could have been big.

Lip service.

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From: "operagost"@e-mail.com (remove t...               30-Aug-99 02:28:29
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

Message sender: "operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )

From: Stephen Eickhoff <"operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )>


Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

> In <37C899FF.D4371FE0@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>
writes:
> >I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
> >Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
>
>    How do we know this is true, i.e, why didn't i, as a licensed
> JStreet user get any notice about this, and why didn't Dan post
> it anywhere on his WWW site, which BTW, has nothing else on it
> but "Iceptur"?

Because Innoval doesn't care about you anymore, now that they got a sack of
money
from their partners.

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           30-Aug-99 02:46:14
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: os/2 warp 4

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:54:56, ale76@cornell.edu (Andy Lin, remove the 
e to send an email to me.) wrote:

> anyone willing to sell me a "copy" of os/2 warp 4?

You can even buy it direct from IBM

http://www.ibm.com/warp

Follow the links for the on-line purchase options

Lorne Sunley

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          30-Aug-99 03:07:07
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:27:59, Stephen Eickhoff <"operagost"@e-mail.com 
(remove the - )> a Úcrit dans un message:

> >
> > Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
> > at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
> > distribute executable copies of the software through online software
> > repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
> > only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If you
> 
> Ooh, I can have a product that will be obsolete in months for FREE!

My sentiments, too, except that I've been listening all along for the words
"Open Source" which I haven't heard.

Open Source on these abandoned products would be a nice sincere touch, in 
my opinion. (And I won't mention the money I spent on Innoval products that
had been abandoned long before now, and already written off as useless.)

There's also the factor of the ongoing developers like Nick Knight, who may
or may not see a downward blip in their registrations when a competing mail
client gets dumped for free. For anybody considering this, I'll just say 
here that I've owned both Postroad and MR2 mail and have used MR2 
exclusively.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                30-Aug-99 03:15:26
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <P_ly3.343$cM2.81390@typhoon1.gnilink.net>, Stephen Eickhoff
<"operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )> writes:

   Who the hell are you?  You sure aren't an OS/2 user, or you
would know about Innoval and their products.  You sure aren't a
positive person, or you would not have posted this crap.  I have
nothing but praise for Innoval's products, and I am only sorry
that there was not enough revenue to help keep Dan supporting 
his discontinued products.


>Tim Martin wrote:
>
>> I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
>> Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
>>
>> From: Dan Porter  6:21 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
>> Subject: InnoVal and OS/2
>> To: os2guy@warpcity.com
>>
>> Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is withdrawing
>> the following products from marketing and support.
>>
>> Post Road Mailer for OS/2
>> J Street Mailer for Java
>> Web Willy Watch for OS/2
>
>Join the club of plane-jumpers!
>
>>
>> Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
>> at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
>> distribute executable copies of the software through online software
>> repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
>> only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If you
>
>Ooh, I can have a product that will be obsolete in months for FREE!

   So, I paid for it, and I'm not complaining.  They still work.

>> For me, personally, this is a sad day. Our company tried to hang in as
>> long as possible with OS/2. OS/2 is still my favorite platform and OS/2
>> customers are the best customers our company ever had. I have made many
>> good friends through my associations with all of you. You ll still see
>> me popping in at OS/2 users group meetings throughout the country when
>> my travels coincide with a meeting.
>
>I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I'd rather not see ya.
>
>What are you going to do, convince us to move to Windows so we can use your
>products?
>
>>
>> Our company continues to do very well. The consulting side of the
>> business has always been strong. The most exciting area of business,
>> however, is Iceptur. Iceptur is our new Internet filtering software for
>> the Windows 95/98/NT platform. Despite the fact that there are over two
>> hundred competitors in this market niche, we are experiencing phenomenal
>
>>
>> success. This is partly because of the unique technology we developed
>> and partly because there is a strong demand for high quality Internet
>> filtering solutions (release 2.0 will hit the streets by September 5th).
>
>I doubt it. Everyone I speak to has never heard of your company. And I was
>plugging Web Willy, it was a product that was actually more than just a
>pattern matcher.
>However, it's unlikely you'll be able to pull away much market from Cyber
>Patrol, much less Microsoft when they enter the market any day now.
>
>>
>> We have entered into a number of strategic alliances with several
>> companies to market Iceptur and license the underlying technology for
>> use in other products.
>>
>
>Oh, I guess the terms of the contract was to ditch OS/2.
>Hope one of them is MS, if you intend to survive.
>
>>
>> I need, now, to focus all of InnoVal s resources on Iceptur and our
>> consulting business. I tried, during the past year, to juggle resources
>> but in doing so was not doing the right kind of job for our customers,
>> the OS/2 community at-large, InnoVal s employees, or InnoVal s owners.
>> You made the Post Road Mailer into the number one email client for OS/2.
>>
>
>When was that? Nobody I know uses it. It's between PMMail and Netscape.
>
>>
>> You worked with us on J Street Mailer as we tried to negotiate a
>> platform independent course with Java. You have my thanks and the thanks
>>
>> of everyone at InnoVal.
>
>Sorry you failed. Better luck with  0.5% of that crowded niche you were
>talking about.
>
>>
>> We are moving on to bigger things, but not better. OS/2 was better and
>> (oh, how I wish) it could have been big.
>
>Lip service.


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     29-Aug-99 21:22:04
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Poll at Everything for OS/2

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

I've created a 'must have' poll at 
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html  .  This first 
one is a trial run, and depending on reponse/usability , I may go with
a weekly/bi-monthly poll, with archived responses.

Let me know what you think.

J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
******************
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
*******************

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From: yaztromo@idirect.com                              29-Aug-99 23:36:01
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Brad Barclay <yaztromo@idirect.com>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:27:59, Stephen Eickhoff <"operagost"@e-mail.com
> (remove the - )> a ?crit dans un message:
>
> > >
> > > Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
> > > at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
> > > distribute executable copies of the software through online software
> > > repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
> > > only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If you
> >
> > Ooh, I can have a product that will be obsolete in months for FREE!
>
> My sentiments, too, except that I've been listening all along for the words
> "Open Source" which I haven't heard.

    Why - are POP and SMTP suddenly going to change?  These protocols have
been
around for years and are quite stable.

    There isn't much you can do with an E-Mail program these days.  When it's
done, it's done.  The protocols won't be changing anytime soon, so unless you
plan on moving to a Microsoft Exchange based E-Mail system, these products
will
continue to work for many, many, many years, without being obsolete.

Brad BARCLAY


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From: rw@nospam.net                                     29-Aug-99 23:43:10
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: "Heinz Weissmuller" <rw@nospam.net>

Baden Kudrenecky <baden@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:JHmy3.6058$2k6.77680@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...
> In <P_ly3.343$cM2.81390@typhoon1.gnilink.net>, Stephen Eickhoff
<"operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )> writes:
>
>    Who the hell are you?  You sure aren't an OS/2 user, or you
> would know about Innoval and their products.

I was an OS/2 user once... Never cared for Innoval stuff, and now I don't
care for OS/2. Don't spam me, OK?

>You sure aren't a
> positive person, or you would not have posted this crap.

Give me an example of a "positive person" so that I can post to your liking.

> I have
> nothing but praise for Innoval's products, and I am only sorry
> that there was not enough revenue to help keep Dan supporting
> his discontinued products.

Why don't you send him your piggybank?




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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                30-Aug-99 03:49:07
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 05:29:13
Subj: Re: Where is MMPM2 driver?

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <eleS4DQ3N6dS-pn2-cusonTzExf4v@tam-fl7-01.ix.netcom.com>,
rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) writes:
>Where is the MMPM2 driver for Warp 3 (FP40)?
>
>I'm still using an ancient PAS 16 and I wanted to play audio CD's and

   That is my favourite sound card.

>can't figure a way to do it with a native OS/2 application.  I
>downloaded something off of Hobbes and when I try to use it I get this
>can't load MMPM2 driver.  Well, no wonder.  It's not there but I see an
>MMPM2.INI file????
>
>Interesting to note that an old DOS application that came with the card
>called musicbox works just fine in the background and it's a TSR!

   You probably don't have MMPM (multimedia) support installed.
Go into "Selective Install", and install MMPM.  For the PAS, I
use DMA 6, IRQ 12, and for the SB side, DMA 1 and IRQ 5.


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: sdenbes1@san.rr.com                               29-Aug-99 22:37:22
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 12:22:12
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: sdenbes1@san.rr.com (Steven C. Den Beste)

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:36:03 -0400, Brad Barclay recycled some holes into
the following pattern:

>Buddy Donnelly wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:27:59, Stephen Eickhoff <"operagost"@e-mail.com
>> (remove the - )> a ?crit dans un message:
>>
>> > >
>> > > Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
>> > > at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
>> > > distribute executable copies of the software through online software
>> > > repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
>> > > only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If
you
>> >
>> > Ooh, I can have a product that will be obsolete in months for FREE!
>>
>> My sentiments, too, except that I've been listening all along for the words
>> "Open Source" which I haven't heard.
>
>    Why - are POP and SMTP suddenly going to change?  These protocols have
been
>around for years and are quite stable.
>
>    There isn't much you can do with an E-Mail program these days.  When it's
>done, it's done.  The protocols won't be changing anytime soon, so unless you
>plan on moving to a Microsoft Exchange based E-Mail system, these products
will
>continue to work for many, many, many years, without being obsolete.
>
>Brad BARCLAY
>

Sorry to disagree with you, but in fact there's a lot you can do with a mail
program.

How about more intelligent filtering? (Agent lets me use regular expressions
on the subject line, but I'd like to be able to filter on the contents of a
message, so that anything which contains the phrase "MLM" goes straight into
the trash bin.) Automated responses to messages? ("I'm on vacation right
now, but I'll get back to you in two weeks.")

Better folder manipulation?

Searching of folders using complex search rules?

Easy connection to multiple servers?

Oh, I can think of many things. The interface with the mail server may be
mature, but there's much that can be done with the interface with the human
user.

--------
Steven C. Den Beste    sdenbes1@san.rr.com
Home page: http://home.san.rr.com/denbeste

"We're just ordinary earthlings, not weirdos from another planet!"
              -- Calvin

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From: kaba*@ix.netcom.com                               30-Aug-99 03:30:03
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 12:22:13
Subj: GRADD 080 question.

From: "N.K." <kaba*@ix.netcom.com>

Hi,
I just got an STB Velocity 128 Card, (NVIDIA RIVA 128 chip) and I
finally managed to install the generic gradd 080 driver, and it seems to
be working fine in both OS2 and WIN/OS2, the problem is too much
flicker, and I may have missed it but I didn't see any option anywhere
for the refresh rate. Does anybody out there know of a better driver for
this chip or a way to improve the refresh rate, the flicker is
noticeable in both 65k and 16m colors.

TIA.

-- 
N. Kaba      
Replace the " * " with " n " if you would like to e-mail me.
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From: lazaga1@ibm.net                                   30-Aug-99 00:51:16
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 12:22:13
Subj: Re: Image compression

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@ibm.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 8-27-99, 10:29:34 PM, "Jan A" <jana.persson@telia.com> wrote 
regarding Image compression:


> Anyone know of any REALLY efficient image compression utility? The 
type
> image I need compressed is a 200 dpi/256 grays with mostly printed 
text and
> lines on it. In the BMP format, the image is just above 1 MB in size 
and I
> need it to be under 10K. Lossy compression OK but have to be able to 
read
> handwritten text after decompression and printout.

> The amount of grays is actually mostly noise, so the closest I've come 
this
> far was to reduce the amount of grays to 2 and use GIF89a, that took 
it down
> to some 17K. But I desperately need to get rid of another 10K or so. 
Would
> IFS do it (fractals)? Wavelets? I have no experience with those.

> A clue, anyone?

> /Jan A

> --
> ______________________________
> T U M B L E W E E D    T R A I L
> -- THE COUNTRY OF SWEDEN --
> http://www.tumbleweedtrail.com
> http://musicians.riffage.com/tumbleweedtrail/
> http://www.amp3.net/tumbleweedtrail
> http://www.mp3.com/tumbleweedtrail
> ___________________
> jana@tumbleweedtrail.com

I find PMView highly acceptable

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@ibm.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com



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From: karin@btsoftware.com                              30-Aug-99 09:57:29
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 12:22:13
Subj: HomePage Publisher  !!!!!!!

From: "karin" <karin@btsoftware.com>

HomePage Publisher 
**************************

HomePage Publisher (HPP) is a WYSIWYG Web Page Design tool for 
OS/2.

HPP is an integrated WYSIWYG HTML Publisher and Editor/Browser. 
HomePage is a new product that will allow you to create or modify any 
HTML pages. Easy to use, it does not require knowledge of HTML tags. 
With HPP, you will be able to modify pages and images directly in your 
document. Select text and objects you want to
change attributes of and make changes by simply clicking toolbars, etc... 
In short, HPP is a Web browser that offers you, as an extra, all the 
possibilities of a word processor. HomePage generates a high quality 
HTML code.

HomePage Publisher Version 2.1 includes Frames support, DBCS, 
Publishing, Drag/Drop, Undo/Redo, Toolbar Designer, Dictionary, and 
more...
  


Check it out and download HomePage Publisher for a free trial period 
from:
	http://www.btsoftware.com/os2/hpp.htm




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From: fledermaus@ibm.net                                30-Aug-99 07:36:12
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 12:22:13
Subj: HPFS from (ugh!) Win95 or Win98 ???

From: fledermaus <fledermaus@ibm.net>

Ref:     Append at 17:14:49 on 99/08/29 -0700 (by alan@royal.net)
check hobbes, I like hpfsdos although I only used it 2-3 times briefly.


"A leader who is above the law is a tyrant (e.g. Gates, Clinton)"

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             30-Aug-99 11:45:18
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 12:22:13
Subj: Re: Where is MMPM2 driver?

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 03:49:14, baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky) 
wrote:

> >I'm still using an ancient PAS 16 and I wanted to play audio CD's and
 
>    That is my favourite sound card.

I like it too.  Rugged and easy to use.  Playing CD's while not a
necessity is a nice luxury.  With a cupole of amplified Labtec speakers
it sounds like a nice stereo system. 
 
> >can't figure a way to do it with a native OS/2 application.  I
> >downloaded something off of Hobbes and when I try to use it I get this
> >can't load MMPM2 driver.  Well, no wonder.  It's not there but I see an
> >MMPM2.INI file????

>    You probably don't have MMPM (multimedia) support installed.
> Go into "Selective Install", and install MMPM.  For the PAS, I
> use DMA 6, IRQ 12, and for the SB side, DMA 1 and IRQ 5.
 
No, I've got it installed and FP40 for for Warp 3.  

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      30-Aug-99 15:01:11
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 14:26:20
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Nisshagen)

Brad Barclay [via Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com/] ->
comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ > My sentiments, too, except that I've been listening all along for the
words
¯ > "Open Source" which I haven't heard.
¯ 
¯     Why - are POP and SMTP suddenly going to change?  These protocols have
been
¯ around for years and are quite stable.

No, but I think they will in some cases perhaps be replaced by never protocols
like for example IMAP, which almost every email client seems to target and who
has many advantages, especially in non ISP cases of servers (and no - IMAP is
not any Microsoft only standard if anyone thinks so).

I agree with Donnelly. Open source would be the best thing in this case.

All this said I agree that for most people (including myself) POP3 will do
fine for many years to come.
 
I also can't see why some people is trying to blame Tim for this. He is only
_reporting_ the news, not the one who has stopped the development of them.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E R
K
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n       http://zap.to/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      30-Aug-99 15:01:12
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 14:26:21
Subj: Re: os/2 warp 4

From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Nisshagen)

Andy Lin, remove the e to send an email to me. [Cornell University] ->
comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ anyone willing to sell me a "copy" of os/2 warp 4?

If you was in Sweden I would happily sell one to you if you wanted (as I'm a
VAR to IBM), but I'm sure you can get it much more easily in US, and I also
wouldn't be too surprised if you could order it directly from your local
university shop.

If not anything else IBM has now days direct sales of their products.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E R
K
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n       http://zap.to/kw

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From: nospam@null                                       30-Aug-99 13:47:24
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:26
Subj: Message for Brad Barclay

From: nospam@null (Richard A Crane)

Brad (or anyone else).
I'm not smart enough to despam your email address but i was woundering what I 
can email you (a scan of the original disc label? the instruction book (a page 

of your choice? or whatever) to convince you I am a legitmate user of fastBack 

for Os/2 as my original and back install discs have gone kaput (the original 
didn't work - the back was in to disc copy and the bloody drive failed with 
attendant noises of heads scratching discs) Symantec here in Australia just
said
"We don't support it anymore".

Please reply to rcrane AT ibm.net
ps Foolproof is not good enough ..... we're not dealing with fools

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From: osric@apk.net                                     30-Aug-99 10:25:08
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:26
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Tarquelne <osric@apk.net>

>Sorry to disagree with you, but in fact there's a lot you can do with a mail
>program.
>
>How about more intelligent filtering? (Agent lets me use regular expressions
>on the subject line, but I'd like to be able to filter on the contents of a
>message, so that anything which contains the phrase "MLM" goes straight into
>the trash bin.) Automated responses to messages? ("I'm on vacation right
>now, but I'll get back to you in two weeks.")

Can't several e-mailers do that already?

>Better folder manipulation?

It's probably always possible to do something "better."

>
>Searching of folders using complex search rules?

Can do that.

>Easy connection to multiple servers?

Seems easy enough. . . see "better."

>Oh, I can think of many things. The interface with the mail server may be
>mature, but there's much that can be done with the interface with the human
>user.

I'm not trying to be snide, but what e-mailer are you using?
                                            Tarquelne
                                       <osric@apk.net>
        I know how God can make a rock so big He can't move it.
                                  ************************
Use the address above to reply - not the anti-spam "Reply-to" address
___________________________________________________________
"Television is an invention that permits you to be entertained
 in your living room by people you wouldn't have in your home."--David Frost   
                                                                               
                                   


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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  30-Aug-99 14:37:13
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:01:22, forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin 
Nisshagen) wrote:

> Brad Barclay [via Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com/] ->
> comp.os.os2.misc:
> 
> ¯ > My sentiments, too, except that I've been listening all along for the
words
> ¯ > "Open Source" which I haven't heard.
> ¯ 
> ¯     Why - are POP and SMTP suddenly going to change?  These protocols have 
been
> ¯ around for years and are quite stable.
> 
> No, but I think they will in some cases perhaps be replaced by never
protocols
> like for example IMAP, which almost every email client seems to target and
who
> has many advantages, especially in non ISP cases of servers (and no - IMAP
is
> not any Microsoft only standard if anyone thinks so).
> 
> I agree with Donnelly. Open source would be the best thing in this case.
> 
> All this said I agree that for most people (including myself) POP3 will do
> fine for many years to come.
>  
> I also can't see why some people is trying to blame Tim for this. He is only
> _reporting_ the news, not the one who has stopped the development of them.

Aw, c'mon Martin. Impaling the messenger is a time-honored response to bad 
news.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: swanee@pillarsoft.net                             30-Aug-99 09:43:03
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net>

"Steven C. Den Beste" wrote:
> 
> Sorry to disagree with you, but in fact there's a lot you can do with a mail
> program.
> 
> How about more intelligent filtering? (Agent lets me use regular expressions
> on the subject line, but I'd like to be able to filter on the contents of a
> message, so that anything which contains the phrase "MLM" goes straight into
> the trash bin.) Automated responses to messages? ("I'm on vacation right
> now, but I'll get back to you in two weeks.")

Got it years ago with MR/2 ICE
> 
> Better folder manipulation?

Got it years ago with MR/2 ICE
> 
> Searching of folders using complex search rules?

hmmm... never tried this... Maybe I don't have it! If not... I'll have
to "Rexxify" it.
> 
> Easy connection to multiple servers?

Got it years ago with MR/2 ICE
> 
> Oh, I can think of many things. The interface with the mail server may be
> mature, but there's much that can be done with the interface with the human
> user.

Filters? Oh baby!! Simple, Free form, Rexx based and special filters.

Roll your own complex filters with rexx.
Mail manipulation with rexx. (Go anywhere, do anything)
Mailing list setup.
Automatically manipulate any binary messages.
Filter Header, From, To, Subject, Body or any combination.
Free form filters extend boolean logic to searches.
Personalized AutoReply
Automatic Forwarding

The rexx thing is the one that really makes it hugely powerful for
almost anything. Maybe Agent or Eudora could add that someday with
Windows built in scripting.


One thing OS/2 has always had is some "very" good email clients.

I can't survive without my MR/2 ICE...

Wayne Swanson
------------------------------------------------------------
email: swanee@pillarsoft.net
PillarSoft: http://www.pillarsoft.net
Developers of: WarpZip, DeskTop Backup (DTB), SFX Installer
               ShowTime/2 and the Enhanced E Editors
Vice President: VOICE (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education)
VOICE: http://www.os2voice.org
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From: swanee@pillarsoft.net                             30-Aug-99 09:52:05
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net>


Wayne Swanson wrote:
> 
> "Steven C. Den Beste" wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to disagree with you, but in fact there's a lot you can do with a
mail
> > program.
> >
> > How about more intelligent filtering? (Agent lets me use regular
expressions
> > on the subject line, but I'd like to be able to filter on the contents of
a
> > message, so that anything which contains the phrase "MLM" goes straight
into
> > the trash bin.) Automated responses to messages? ("I'm on vacation right
> > now, but I'll get back to you in two weeks.")
> 
> Got it years ago with MR/2 ICE
> >
> > Better folder manipulation?
> 
> Got it years ago with MR/2 ICE
> >
> > Searching of folders using complex search rules?
> 
> hmmm... never tried this... Maybe I don't have it! If not... I'll have
> to "Rexxify" it.
> >
> > Easy connection to multiple servers?
> 
> Got it years ago with MR/2 ICE
> >
> > Oh, I can think of many things. The interface with the mail server may be
> > mature, but there's much that can be done with the interface with the
human
> > user.
> 
> Filters? Oh baby!! Simple, Free form, Rexx based and special filters.
> 
> Roll your own complex filters with rexx.
> Mail manipulation with rexx. (Go anywhere, do anything)
> Mailing list setup.
> Automatically manipulate any binary messages.
> Filter Header, From, To, Subject, Body or any combination.
> Free form filters extend boolean logic to searches.
> Personalized AutoReply
> Automatic Forwarding
> 
> The rexx thing is the one that really makes it hugely powerful for
> almost anything. Maybe Agent or Eudora could add that someday with
> Windows built in scripting.
> 
> One thing OS/2 has always had is some "very" good email clients.

Oh yeah... "some "very" good email clients" AND Rexx...

Wayne Swanson
------------------------------------------------------------
email: swanee@pillarsoft.net
PillarSoft: http://www.pillarsoft.net
Developers of: WarpZip, DeskTop Backup (DTB), SFX Installer
               ShowTime/2 and the Enhanced E Editors
Vice President: VOICE (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education)
VOICE: http://www.os2voice.org
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From: esther@bitranch.com                               30-Aug-99 15:08:21
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:37:44, sdenbes1@san.rr.com (Steven C. Den 
Beste) wrote:

| Oh, I can think of many things. The interface with the mail server may be
| mature, but there's much that can be done with the interface with the human
| user.

That may be true, Steven, but as I'm sure you know, most people don't 
do _anything_ with the user interface other than read-and-reply. I'm 
quite sure that a high percentage of Internet users have never even 
created a new message folder.

I still think it's a class act. It makes the product available to 
those who want to use it.

--Esther 


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               30-Aug-99 15:13:08
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

Stephen,

I'm surprised that you encountered such ignorance of Innoval's 
products. Dan Porter did indeed visit the Phoenix OS/2 Society. I know
he was a guest at user groups in southern California and northern 
California, and was (is?) a member of a NY-area OS/2 user group. I 
consider the product line reasonably well known (though not quite as 
much as others).

I've had several conversations with Dan, over the years, and I know 
personally how much he cared about the OS/2 platform and about serving
its users. I'm quite sure that posting that message caused him a great
deal of pain; like other OS/2 ISVs whose desire to pay the mortgage 
forced them to consider alternatives, it can't have been an easy 
decision. I'm sure that it's not a decision he ever wanted to reach.

Perhaps you might show a little empathy for his situation.

--Esther
  who had to turn away from her 100%-OS/2 business, too

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:27:59, Stephen Eickhoff <"operagost"@e-mail.com
(remove the - )> wrote:

| 
| 
| Tim Martin wrote:
| 
| > I have just received the following from Dan Porter of
| > Innoval Systems Solutions, Inc.:
| >
| > From: Dan Porter  6:21 PM (PST), August 28, 1999
| > Subject: InnoVal and OS/2
| > To: os2guy@warpcity.com
| >
| > Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is withdrawing
| > the following products from marketing and support.
| >
| > Post Road Mailer for OS/2
| > J Street Mailer for Java
| > Web Willy Watch for OS/2
| 
| Join the club of plane-jumpers!
| 
| >
| > Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online store
| > at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
| > distribute executable copies of the software through online software
| > repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
| > only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If you
| 
| Ooh, I can have a product that will be obsolete in months for FREE!
| 
| > For me, personally, this is a sad day. Our company tried to hang in as
| > long as possible with OS/2. OS/2 is still my favorite platform and OS/2
| > customers are the best customers our company ever had. I have made many
| > good friends through my associations with all of you. You ll still see
| > me popping in at OS/2 users group meetings throughout the country when
| > my travels coincide with a meeting.
| 
| I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I'd rather not see ya.
| 
| What are you going to do, convince us to move to Windows so we can use your
| products?
| 
| >
| > Our company continues to do very well. The consulting side of the
| > business has always been strong. The most exciting area of business,
| > however, is Iceptur. Iceptur is our new Internet filtering software for
| > the Windows 95/98/NT platform. Despite the fact that there are over two
| > hundred competitors in this market niche, we are experiencing phenomenal
| 
| >
| > success. This is partly because of the unique technology we developed
| > and partly because there is a strong demand for high quality Internet
| > filtering solutions (release 2.0 will hit the streets by September 5th).
| 
| I doubt it. Everyone I speak to has never heard of your company. And I was
| plugging Web Willy, it was a product that was actually more than just a
| pattern matcher.
| However, it's unlikely you'll be able to pull away much market from Cyber
| Patrol, much less Microsoft when they enter the market any day now.
| 
| >
| > We have entered into a number of strategic alliances with several
| > companies to market Iceptur and license the underlying technology for
| > use in other products.
| >
| 
| Oh, I guess the terms of the contract was to ditch OS/2.
| Hope one of them is MS, if you intend to survive.
| 
| >
| > I need, now, to focus all of InnoVal s resources on Iceptur and our
| > consulting business. I tried, during the past year, to juggle resources
| > but in doing so was not doing the right kind of job for our customers,
| > the OS/2 community at-large, InnoVal s employees, or InnoVal s owners.
| > You made the Post Road Mailer into the number one email client for OS/2.
| >
| 
| When was that? Nobody I know uses it. It's between PMMail and Netscape.
| 
| >
| > You worked with us on J Street Mailer as we tried to negotiate a
| > platform independent course with Java. You have my thanks and the thanks
| >
| > of everyone at InnoVal.
| 
| Sorry you failed. Better luck with  0.5% of that crowded niche you were
| talking about.
| 
| >
| > We are moving on to bigger things, but not better. OS/2 was better and
| > (oh, how I wish) it could have been big.
| 
| Lip service.
| 


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From: letoured@sover.net                                30-Aug-99 08:52:16
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: letoured@sover.net

>   I am currently looking for a new mail program to replace
>UltiMail, and I am testing PMMail, JStreet, and now Post Road, and the
>only program that even comes close to my acceptability, is JStreet,
>however, it's memory footprint is huge, and that may preclude me from
>using it, and besides, I would like to actually support native OS/2
>software.

Then get MR2.


_____________
Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: tokenpablo@yahoo.com                              30-Aug-99 15:27:09
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: Roger Harkavy <tokenpablo@yahoo.com>

Yep, you read that right. All shrinkwrapped and everything. Someone who
was apparently an ex-IBM employee had this at a yard sale and I
couldn't resist picking it up.

Navigating IBM's labrynthine web site, I'm having trouble finding an
area with patches and drivers for this. Can someone point me in the
right direction?

And is there any chance I can manage Internet access with this version?

--
---
Roger Harkavy
tokenpablo@yahoo.com
http://www.interactive.net/~harkavyr/


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: rerbert@wxs.nl                                    30-Aug-99 17:59:29
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: rerbert@wxs.nl (Gerben Bergman)

After a long, hard day of battling the soulless minions of orthodoxy, I came
home just in time to see Tarquelne writing:

| >Oh, I can think of many things. The interface with the mail server may be
| >mature, but there's much that can be done with the interface with the human
| >user.
| 
| I'm not trying to be snide, but what e-mailer are you using?

As he said, he uses Fort‚ Agent (as do I). What he described are several
known shortcomings in the program, and even though other mailers might
address those shortcomings, they typically lack other features/
characteristics which make Agent the fine program that it is. (For example,
I gave up multiple-server support, filtering of outgoing messages, and HTML
support for a better spell checker, a WYSIWYG editor, virtually unlimited
configurability, combined email and news functionality, and more stability
when I dropped PMMail 98 for Agent a while ago.)

The perfect mailer hasn't been written yet, meaning there's still room for
improvement. I believe that's the point Steven was trying to make.

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From: cawort01@spam.netcom.com                          30-Aug-99 16:05:13
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: cawort01@spam.netcom.com

In <3804173f.390955730@news-server>, sdenbes1@san.rr.com (Steven C. Den Beste) 
writes:
>On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:36:03 -0400, Brad Barclay recycled some holes into
>the following pattern:
>
>>Buddy Donnelly wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:27:59, Stephen Eickhoff <"operagost"@e-mail.com
>>> (remove the - )> a ‚crit dans un message:
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > > Anyone may download free copies of these products from our online
store
>>> > > at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In addition, anyone may freely
>>> > > distribute executable copies of the software through online software
>>> > > repositories and websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will
>>> > > only be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time. If
you
>>> >
>>> > Ooh, I can have a product that will be obsolete in months for FREE!
>>>
>>> My sentiments, too, except that I've been listening all along for the
words
>>> "Open Source" which I haven't heard.
>>
>>    Why - are POP and SMTP suddenly going to change?  These protocols have
been
>>around for years and are quite stable.
>>
>>    There isn't much you can do with an E-Mail program these days.  When
it's
>>done, it's done.  The protocols won't be changing anytime soon, so unless
you
>>plan on moving to a Microsoft Exchange based E-Mail system, these products
will
>>continue to work for many, many, many years, without being obsolete.
>>
>>Brad BARCLAY
>>
>
>Sorry to disagree with you, but in fact there's a lot you can do with a mail
>program.
>
>How about more intelligent filtering? (Agent lets me use regular expressions
>on the subject line, but I'd like to be able to filter on the contents of a
>message, so that anything which contains the phrase "MLM" goes straight into
>the trash bin.) Automated responses to messages? ("I'm on vacation right
>now, but I'll get back to you in two weeks.")
>
>Better folder manipulation?
>
>Searching of folders using complex search rules?
>
>Easy connection to multiple servers?
>
>Oh, I can think of many things. The interface with the mail server may be
>mature, but there's much that can be done with the interface with the human
>user.
>


Well I'd suggest you get PMMail/2 it does all those things :)

and doesn't crash.  I bought One innoval product, and it didn't work as
advertised.
I was disappointed and never bought another thing from them.

Chris

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From: gnrm@earth.gh.net                                 30-Aug-99 12:22:20
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: "os2pal" <gnrm@earth.gh.net>

Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com> wrote in message
news:LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-vcn7O1bd34sJ@agave.bitranch.com...

> Stephen,
>
> I'm surprised that you encountered such ignorance of Innoval's
> products.
-----------snipped-----------------

Surprise? Are you under the assumption that their products were the pillars
of intelligence?


> I'm quite sure that posting that message caused him a great
> deal of pain;

Nah, why post unless there is a hidden agenda behind it? If you'd read the
post carefully...

> like other OS/2 ISVs whose desire to pay the mortgage
> forced them to consider alternatives, it can't have been an easy
> decision. I'm sure that it's not a decision he ever wanted to reach.

His accountants (if he had any) probably reached this decision for him :)
He faces another problem: If he didn't make it here, my guess is, he might
have problems elsewhere. He is already branded, if I may say so.

He'll have to do a tad better than JWalking and free Willy. If worse comes
to worse, I am guessing, he can always end up having a few Cyberbeers online
with Brad Wardell and chat about the good 'ol times - when they used to fill
our brains up with empty talk.

>
> Perhaps you might show a little empathy for his situation.

I am. Shall I send him flowers or a sympathy card?

>
> --Esther
>   who had to turn away from her 100%-OS/2 business, too


<chuckle>  Had a hunch you'll see the light sooner or later <another
chuckle>



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From: gnrm@earth.gh.net                                 30-Aug-99 12:25:18
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: "os2pal" <gnrm@earth.gh.net>


> >   I am currently looking for a new mail program to replace
> >UltiMail, and I am testing PMMail

MR/2 ICE is good.


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From: rjf@yyycomasia.com                                30-Aug-99 16:48:13
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:27
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:08:43, esther@bitranch.com (Esther 
Schindler) wrote:

îThat may be true, Steven, but as I'm sure you know, most people don't 
îdo _anything_ with the user interface other than read-and-reply. I'm 
îquite sure that a high percentage of Internet users have never even 
îcreated a new message folder.

To say nothing of the fact that - for the user with more 
sophisticated requirements - the mailers available for OS/2 
- including PostRoad and JStreet - have the sophisticated 
features (nested folders, filters, multiple accounts, exit 
script capability, et. al), that Mr. Broccolli appeared to 
be not aware of.


________________________________________________________

[RJ]                 OS/2 - Live it, or live with it. 
rj friedman          Team ABW              
Taipei, Taiwan       rjf@yyycomasia.com 

To send email - remove the `yyy'
________________________________________________________

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          30-Aug-99 17:51:21
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:28
Subj: Re: Why does Lose98 damage my OS/2-FAT floppies?

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <7qcpis$44o$6@205.138.137.53>
	   jbigge@novagate.com "Jerome Bigge" writes:

> My Compaq 2286 (Windows 98) will not read standard density 3.5"
> disks when it is not operating under Windows.  It will read the
> HD 1.44meg ok, but not the older 720k disks.  I'm not sure this
> is Microsoft's doing, or Compaq's however.  Compaq is infamous
> for using "non-standard" parts, and this may be it.

Yes, Compaq have made a career out of being non-conformist, which
is ironic, considering they started by cloning IBM machines. <g>

I probably should have mentioned that the disks W98 was mucking
up were normal 1.44Mb 3.5", formatted by OS/2 via a floppy drive
dropdown menu (ie, no funny options applied via a command line).
Legal disk names were specified.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          30-Aug-99 17:58:20
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:28
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-FFRQjmOcVHPd@POBLANO>
	   l_luciano@da.mob "Stan Goodman" writes:

> Aw, c'mon Martin. Impaling the messenger is a time-honored
> response to bad news.

At one time, AFAIR, some people would sacrifice bearers of _good_
news to the gods, as a 'thankyou'.  I guess we're too modern for
any of that.  Now we just beat up Tim, as a matter of principle.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: ispalten@austin.rr.com                            30-Aug-99 18:23:02
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:28
Subj: Re: RoadRunner cable service

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@austin.rr.com>

Don't know where you saw RR, but here in Austin (home of OS/2) many have
it (see my e-mail ID). In Austin, there is no longer a need to sign-on.
Not sure if you can get here, http://www.austin.rr.com/rrchat/, but
check it out, especially the 'Other OS Support' Link.

Irv

heloman@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> I attended a presentation at the local computer store
> where TimeWarner was running their RoadRunner
> internet service. As usual and most typical once I
> mentioned OS/2 he emphatically exclaimed,"WE don't
> provide any help with that operating system!". While
> I didn't mind what really has me stuped is the fact
> they utilize some sort of signon/logon program
> (windows only). According to them there is no way to
> bypass it. Is anyone using the RoadRunner service and
> IF so how/what did/are you using to get around the
> logon program? What lan card are you using/recommend
> and where can I get the driver(s) required for it? I
> am really getting tired of 2300+/- bps and downloads
> taking up to several hours when it can be done much
> much faster. Thanks for any help and suggestions
> offered in advance.....
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: kaba*@ix.netcom.com                               30-Aug-99 15:12:03
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 16:56:28
Subj: Re: RoadRunner cable service

From: "N.K." <kaba*@ix.netcom.com>

I'm not sure how much help this is, but I just contacted Media One( our
local cable co.) about RoadRunner service. They don't support OS/2, but
if I were willing to do my own installation, they thought it would work
just fine. I am no expert on this and I have not signed up for the
service yet, but it seems to me once your cable modem is installed and
configured you should be able to get on line, after all what if you had
a Machintosh! I spoke with RoadRunner tech support at Media One, I'd
call TimeWarner and ask for their tech support, I'm afraid you were
given the wrong info. Mind you judging by the posts in this NG
installing those things is no trip to the beach!! But there are success
stories, Good Luck.

By the way, I am using a Linksys 10/100 on a local network here, it
works well and comes with OS/2 drivers.  

-- 
NK      

Replace the " * " with " n " if you would like to e-mail me.
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heloman@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> I attended a presentation at the local computer store
> where TimeWarner was running their RoadRunner
> internet service. As usual and most typical once I
> mentioned OS/2 he emphatically exclaimed,"WE don't
> provide any help with that operating system!". While
> I didn't mind what really has me stuped is the fact
> they utilize some sort of signon/logon program
> (windows only). According to them there is no way to
> bypass it. Is anyone using the RoadRunner service and
> IF so how/what did/are you using to get around the
> logon program? What lan card are you using/recommend
> and where can I get the driver(s) required for it? I
> am really getting tired of 2300+/- bps and downloads
> taking up to several hours when it can be done much
> much faster. Thanks for any help and suggestions
> offered in advance.....
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    30-Aug-99 19:23:01
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 19:58:00
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Roger Harkavy (tokenpablo@yahoo.com) wrote:
: Yep, you read that right. All shrinkwrapped and everything. Someone who
: was apparently an ex-IBM employee had this at a yard sale and I
: couldn't resist picking it up.

	Wow...what a waste of $1.50. ;-)

	The only thing worthwhile in getting OS/2 2.x right now is for 
the excellent manuals.

: Navigating IBM's labrynthine web site, I'm having trouble finding an
: area with patches and drivers for this. Can someone point me in the
: right direction?

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/

: And is there any chance I can manage Internet access with this version?

	Nope.  You could go to the trouble of obtaining TCP/IP 2.0 but 
that would be a waste of money since you could probably get OS/2 Warp 
Connect for about $15 more.


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From: jstotz@canoemail.com                              30-Aug-99 12:37:20
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 19:58:00
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: James Stotz <jstotz@canoemail.com>

I also believe that if you look through AMD's site, they list the
programs that have passed tests with their processors.

Warp is in such lists.

James Stotz

Zamp wrote:

> Ciao.
>
> Anyone got it ?
> Can it work with Os/2 ?

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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          30-Aug-99 20:17:24
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 21:34:14
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:08:43, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) a 
Úcrit dans un message:

snippercized
> 
> I still think it's a class act. It makes the product available to 
> those who want to use it.

Oh, I'll stop a moment and quibble on that point, thanks. (Hot out, ain't 
it?)

Well, it would have been classier to post the source. 

As it is, Innoval's partial action only makes the product AS IT STANDS 
TODAY available for those who want to test it. 

Should conditions change, for instance should it fail to be 100% Y2K just 
to pick a looming possibility, what's someone to do who has begun using it 
for all their mail, sorting stuff into folders and making the program's 
interface more personalized, and all? They'll just have to dump it.

On the other hand, were Innoval to rescue their shall we say "debatable" 
standing in this community by not just leaving the Halloween candy on the 
porch in a big cardboard box, but by wrapping each piece in the source 
code, even in a GNU thingie, they would be giving us a Fighting Chance of 
staying alive staying alive woo wooo woo wooop staying alive.

And whoever there is among those smarter than I who can take that code, 
suss it out, and say, well sir here's where the gol-blimey thing was 
gol-blimey screwy from day one, or whatever, and issue his/her little Fix 
for it, might even be able to charge a few bucks to each of us for the 
fixkit.

It would be a neat experiment. 

As committed as I am to Nick Knight's ongoing work with making MR2Ice even 
better, I'm a registered user of PostRoad products and would enjoy having 
the chance to promote the wider support of anyone brave enough to tackle 
something like this.

And if things change even more, and Innoval decides one day to come back 
into OS2land, their stock with us would be very high indeed. They would 
naturally be coming out with brand new product, based on brand new code, 
and my theory is they wouldn't be hurt a bit by having the old version 
banging around for free, as some tin-hearted accountants would be worrying 
about.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      31-Aug-99 00:01:00
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 21:34:15
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Nisshagen)

Roger Harkavy [Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.] ->
comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ And is there any chance I can manage Internet access with this version?

No, not with only the base OS in itself unfortunately. IBM has TCP/IP
available for it separately (but not for free, and also rather expensive).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E R
K
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n       http://zap.to/kw

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               30-Aug-99 16:27:25
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 21:34:15
Subj: Re: [HELP] I'm sooo confused about OS/2 Warp packages!

From: bv <bvermo@powertech.no>

letoured@sover.net wrote:

> >I really like to try OS/2 Warp (version 3), but I can't seem to choose
> >which package to get. Can anyone enlighten me a bit please?
>
> Why version 3? Version 4 has been out for a couple of years now.
>

Warp 3 needs a minimum 4MB RAM (for poor performance), Warp 4 needs a minimum
of 16 MB RAM. Warp 3 works well in 8 MB RAM, Warp 4 in 24.

With ample RAM, Warp 4 has many advantages. Both work reasonably on even a
386SX if there is plenty RAM and good (bus-mastering) SCSI disks. Neither
works well on slow (< 66MHz 486) CPUs without busmastering or with other than
SCSI CD-ROM drives. Nor, for that matter, does any other operating system
bigger than DOS.


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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               30-Aug-99 15:28:06
  To: All                                               30-Aug-99 21:34:15
Subj: Re: foreign language versions?

From: bv <bvermo@powertech.no>

williamd1 wrote:

> Thanks for the info. I think I have found the site, but didn't see any
> ref to fgn language versions or the complete OS. Would you happen to
> have the exact address so I can be sure I'm in the right place?
>

I do not know, as I have them on the subscription CDs. The IBM search engine
is quite good,though. Have you tried to use that (on the menu bar)?


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From: swanee@pillarsoft.net                             30-Aug-99 18:01:03
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net>

hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
> 
> In <37CA987B.EFF82627@pillarsoft.net>, Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net> 
writes:
> >"Steven C. Den Beste" wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry to disagree with you, but in fact there's a lot you can do with a
mail
> >> program.
> >>
> >> How about more intelligent filtering?
> >
> >Got it years ago with MR/2 ICE
> >>
> >> Better folder manipulation?
> >
> >Got it years ago with MR/2 ICE
> >>
> >
> >The rexx thing is the one that really makes it hugely powerful for
> >almost anything. Maybe Agent or Eudora could add that someday with
> >Windows built in scripting.
> >
> 
> BUT : can you write a Rexx script that will *answer* all that darned
> mail for you ?

Haha, yeah but it never gives a sensible answer. :-)

Of course, some say that's the way I answer email anyways. <BG>

Wayne Swanson
------------------------------------------------------------
email: swanee@pillarsoft.net
PillarSoft: http://www.pillarsoft.net
Developers of: WarpZip, DeskTop Backup (DTB), SFX Installer
               ShowTime/2 and the Enhanced E Editors
Vice President: VOICE (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education)
VOICE: http://www.os2voice.org
------------------------------------------------------------

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    30-Aug-99 22:56:10
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: Re: GRADD 080 question.

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

N.K. (kaba*@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Hi,
: I just got an STB Velocity 128 Card, (NVIDIA RIVA 128 chip) and I
: finally managed to install the generic gradd 080 driver, and it seems to
: be working fine in both OS2 and WIN/OS2, the problem is too much
: flicker, and I may have missed it but I didn't see any option anywhere
: for the refresh rate. Does anybody out there know of a better driver for
: this chip or a way to improve the refresh rate, the flicker is
: noticeable in both 65k and 16m colors.

	Never bother going above 256 colors when using the generic SVGA 
GRADD driver.


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From: jehnk@tiny.net                                    30-Aug-99 23:07:17
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: Re: the future of os/2 cosmetics...

From: jehnk@tiny.net

:>> >There are also some problems that could be addressed in my opinion. 
:>> >... window adjustment (meaning
:>> >changing the position of buttons and loading bitmaps into the
:>> >titlebar 
:>> 
:>> I'm just dying for this feature - right after they update and upgrade
:>> useful stuff.
:>
:>Have you looked at CAndyBarz for this?  It's still in beta, and caused
:>some problems for me...but it sure does look pretty...


Dialog Enhancer adds some prettiness as well as functionality and I
totally love Smart Windows/Styler2.

	http://acsoft.ghostbbs.cx/
	http://www-student.lboro.ac.uk/~mcrsc/ostrans.html

from the readme's.


way
jehnk


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               30-Aug-99 23:11:29
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

Buddy, you might like it if Innoval posted the source. But your 
quibble doesn't take into account that the company may have very good 
reasons to *not* do so?

Don't look gift horses in the mouth. They could have said, "Screw you,
we're cancelling all product support." Instead, they gave the OS/2 
community a gift.

--Esther

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             30-Aug-99 23:17:15
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: Re: RoadRunner cable service

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:12:06, "N.K." <kaba*@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure how much help this is, but I just contacted Media One( our
> local cable co.) about RoadRunner service. They don't support OS/2, but
> if I were willing to do my own installation, they thought it would work
> just fine. I am no expert on this and I have not signed up for the
> service yet, but it seems to me once your cable modem is installed and
> configured you should be able to get on line, after all what if you had
> a Machintosh! I spoke with RoadRunner tech support at Media One, I'd

The Linux boyz have already figured it out.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      31-Aug-99 01:24:27
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: Re: [HELP] I'm sooo confused about OS/2 Warp packages!

From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Nisshagen)

bv [Norbionics] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ Warp 3 needs a minimum 4MB RAM (for poor performance), Warp 4 needs a
minimum
¯ of 16 MB RAM. Warp 3 works well in 8 MB RAM, Warp 4 in 24.
¯ 
¯ With ample RAM, Warp 4 has many advantages. Both work reasonably on even a
¯ 386SX if there is plenty RAM and good (bus-mastering) SCSI disks. Neither
¯ works well on slow (< 66MHz 486) CPUs without busmastering or with other
than
¯ SCSI CD-ROM drives. Nor, for that matter, does any other operating system
¯ bigger than DOS.

I have used Warp 3 on a 486DX2/50 (overklocked to 66) with only IDE drive (no
EIDE or bus mastering) and it worked quite OK for at least my needs (used it
for 3-4 years and did very fine with both Warp 3 as well as NT 3.5x/4 on it) .

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E R
K
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n       http://zap.to/kw

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               30-Aug-99 23:29:08
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:22:40, "os2pal" <gnrm@earth.gh.net> wrote:
| Surprise? Are you under the assumption that their products were the pillars
| of intelligence?

Products have intelligence? You mean, someone perfected artificial 
intelligence and *didn't tell me*?!

Seriously, I do understand your point. I'm not speaking to any given 
vendor's application quality. What makes one software package "better"
than another is a matter that's very much in the eye of the beholder, 
and is the reason that the OS/2 community could support three fine 
email clients for all these years. (I chose MR/2 ICE for myself, but I
like features of the other packages, too.) I'm not trying to review 
Innoval's products, here; I've done that for pay elsewhere.

However, there's a distinct difference between "I never liked their 
stuff anyway" and "I thought their support sucked" (which you didn't 
explicitly say), and "they aren't able to keep the doors open, at 
least with this product/os division."

os2pal, I've dealt with more OS/2 ISVs than has anybody else. I've 
listened to their personal and business concerns since 1992. I've seen
some of them succeed, and I've seen some fail. I've met some that are 
(IMNSHO) brainless twits, some that are technically savvy but lack the
business sense of a sparrow, and some that chose a non-viable part of 
the OS/2 application universe. (We've had some really excellent 
graphics applications to choose from, for instance, but without a 
significant Framemaker-type DTP or GoLive-like Web site development 
app, there's nothing on which to peg the graphics you create.)

Some of those ISVs failed because they didn't know how to run a 
business. Some of them extended the scope of their business, to 
include Windows or Java or whatever else seemed appropriate to them. 
Some quit OS/2 entirely, and some left the software business. This 
isn't different from any other section of our industry or, for that 
matter, any other industry. (Teen idol Bobby Sherman is now an LA cop.
Does that mean that the music business is dead?)

While I never personally chose an Innoval product for my own use, I 
have never, for a moment, considered Dan Porter to be less than a man 
of integrity, who believed in his company, in OS/2, and in serving his
customers. (Before you point it out: Sure, they weren't perfect. 
Neither am I, and I suspect neither are you. Business is hard.) He 
wanted OS/2 to be a success, and he wanted Innoval to succeed along 
with it. He gave it his best shot. It didn't work.

| Nah, why post unless there is a hidden agenda behind it? If you'd read the
| post carefully...

Sheesh. Dan has enough integrity to be honest with the OS/2 community.
If he can make a success of his other products, then more power to 
him.

(Strangely enough, this puts me in the position of agreeing with Tim 
Martin. I suspect we'll get over it. <grin>)

| > --Esther
| >   who had to turn away from her 100%-OS/2 business, too
| 
| <chuckle>  Had a hunch you'll see the light sooner or later <another
| chuckle>

I have no idea what you intended to communicate in that sentence, but 
it sure didn't make it across to me.

--Esther

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    30-Aug-99 18:15:26
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <37db7676.429159568@news.kraftwerk.net>,
forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Nisshagen) wrote:
>
>I agree with Donnelly. Open source would be the best thing in this case.
>

I agree that it would be nice to have the source code available.
However, I would guess that because InnoVal is still doing
development, Sales and support for other Internet products, and these
products may very well contain some of the proprietary code that
InnoVal developed and used in the applications that they have now
released to the public for free. If this be the case, I can't blame
Dan for not wanting to "open source" these applications.

I haven't had any sort of direct contact with Dan Porter, so I can't
say, with any certainty,  what and why he is doing this as he is. My
guess is that he simply wanted to "give" these apps to the OS/2 users
in appreciation of their support for him. Pity it wasn't enough to
keep him going with OS/2 projects.


--
**************************************************************
*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
**************************************************************
*  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
**************************************************************

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From: jek404@usa.net                                    31-Aug-99 00:26:22
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 03:52:24
Subj: WarpStock 99

From: "Johnny Kitchens" <jek404@usa.net>

Just figured I'd do a little Spamming with something worthwhile. hehe
I'm going! What about you guy's?
Johnny

--
Volunteer for Warpstock 99 Atlanta!

Warpstock 99 Atlanta, the best Warpstock ever, is only two months away!
The Volunteer Team members are helping anywhere they can to make
October 16-17 two unforgettable days of OS/2 extravaganza for every
Warpstock attendee.

While registrations keep coming in and presentations are being scheduled,
there are still a lot of other important things to take care of. This is
where the Volunteer Team comes in. It is our job to handle those many
little things that just need to be done to assure that the Warpstock event
runs smooth from start to finish.

Maybe you've already booked your flight to Atlanta, or maybe you won't be
able to attend this years event. In either case you might still be
interested
to contribute to the success of OS/2 and this event. The Volunteer Team
gladly excepts your help. You're welcome, weather you're good with
multimedia,
graphics, internet or weather you just have too much of that genuine OS/2
spirit
and energy waiting to come out.

Let us know if you think you can be of any help to us. Visit the Warpstock
web site at http://www.warpstock.org/99/volunteer_form.html or send a
message to Luc Van Bogaert <luc.vanbogaert@pandora.be>.

The Warpstock 99 Volunteer Coordinator,


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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com                          31-Aug-99 01:46:29
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 05:26:03
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:11:59, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) a 
Úcrit dans un message:

> Buddy, you might like it if Innoval posted the source. 

Might? 

Let me make my position very clear. I would LOVE it if EVERY departing 
absconding software vendor posted the source on their abandoned products. 

The market for software is a two-way transaction, and is not just the 
initial act of the Sellers shipping shrinkwrapped boxes and collecting the 
money. 

Their trusting, paying Users have an investment in that software that 
should be honored, and I go so far as to believe the gummint should pass 
laws REQUIRING all software to have the source code posted with third 
parties and available for public review.


> But your quibble doesn't take into account that the company may have
> very good reasons to *not* do so?

Sure, possibly, in a specific case like this, though none has been offered 
by Innvoal and nobody close to the situation has suggested that a special 
condition exists.

But in the general case, we should turn the equation around and make it a 
De Rigueur Condition of doing business with us Trusting, Paying, Users that
we are not going to have our investments in Using their software dishonored
and/or destroyed.


> 
> Don't look gift horses in the mouth. 

And, why not?, I say. 

If you're going to have to ride that "gift" horse on a long journey, you're
a fool *not* looking it in the mouth, and in the leg, and in the strength 
of its withers and in the clarity of its eyes.

['Don't buy a pig in a poke' is another old phrase that comes to mind when 
we're asked by software vendors to "buy this box, and trust us that what's 
in it is good enough to be worth your money."]


> They could have said, "Screw you, we're cancelling all product support." 

As they had already done for PostRoad News, Net Extra, and Web Extra? I've 
got licenses here for all of those previously "declared useless" programs 
of theirs. 


> Instead, they gave the OS/2 community a gift.

And in some scenarios that have yet to be played out, including the Y2K 
mysteries of the future, those "gifts" might come back to bite a lot of 
people one more time. Going one step further into Open Source would at 
least give those who choose to begin depending heavily on their mail client
a fighting chance.



Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com


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From: osric@apk.net                                     30-Aug-99 22:30:20
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 05:26:03
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Tarquelne <osric@apk.net>

>The perfect mailer hasn't been written yet, meaning there's still room for
>improvement. I believe that's the point Steven was trying to make.

Ok.

                                            Tarquelne
                                       <osric@apk.net>
        I know how God can make a rock so big He can't move it.
                                  ************************
Use the address above to reply - not the anti-spam "Reply-to" address
___________________________________________________________
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 or communist, but I meant no harm by it."--Alabama federal court nominee
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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  30-Aug-99 20:40:13
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 05:26:03
Subj: Re: HomePage Publisher  !!!!!!!

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

This really belongs in comp.os.os2.announce. HPP is not new, but it's a
fine product that I have used for a couple of years now.

karin wrote:
> 
> HomePage Publisher
> **************************
> 
> HomePage Publisher (HPP) is a WYSIWYG Web Page Design tool for
> OS/2.
> 
> HPP is an integrated WYSIWYG HTML Publisher and Editor/Browser.
> HomePage is a new product that will allow you to create or modify any
> HTML pages. Easy to use, it does not require knowledge of HTML tags.
> With HPP, you will be able to modify pages and images directly in your
> document. Select text and objects you want to
> change attributes of and make changes by simply clicking toolbars, etc...
> In short, HPP is a Web browser that offers you, as an extra, all the
> possibilities of a word processor. HomePage generates a high quality
> HTML code.
> 
> HomePage Publisher Version 2.1 includes Frames support, DBCS,
> Publishing, Drag/Drop, Undo/Redo, Toolbar Designer, Dictionary, and
> more...
> 
> 
> Check it out and download HomePage Publisher for a free trial period
> from:
>         http://www.btsoftware.com/os2/hpp.htm

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: lcs@nowhere.com                                   30-Aug-99 21:53:18
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 05:26:04
Subj: Re: What 56K modem for OS/2 ?

From: "Rick Lindsay" <lcs@nowhere.com>

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:53:12 -0500 (CDT), Rick Lindsay wrote:

>33L4680 I think, see our web page, Pricing, then Parts.  It is listed there.

It is 33L4618, and somehow it disappeared from our web site...



Rick Lindsay, Lindsay Computer Systems, http://www.jumpnet.com/~lcs
Austin, Texas. 512-719-5257.  Asus based systems, Asus Products. 
                                    Advanced Systems.
           This message is SHAREWARE, please register...



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From: kabar@ibm.net                                     30-Aug-99 23:33:20
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 11:04:19
Subj: Free OS/2 Software

From: kabar@ibm.net

Free if you pick them up, location: Willowdale, Toronto.

WordPerfect 5.2
PMComm 2.11
OS/2 Ver 2.11 for Symmetrical Multiprocessing (2 CPU)
TCP/IP Version 2.0 for OS/2 Total Kit
Epson OS/2 printer driver from Epson Germany
OS/2 BackupWiz 1.13
Lotus SmartSuite 1.1
Describe Voyager 5.0.6
Sytos Premium 2.1
Hilgraeve KopyKat 1.1
Norton Commander 1.0
Applause 1.1
Borland C++ 1.0

-- Barnaby Ng
-- kabar@ibm.net


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 30-Aug-99 23:44:22
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 11:04:19
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)
spake unto us, saying:

>The only thing worthwhile in getting OS/2 2.x right now is for 
>the excellent manuals.

No, the Sticky Pad applet in 2.11 is also very nice.  :-)  :-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
        Excuse me, what did you say? Oh, I thought you said "Whop".

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From: twelker@maui.net                                  30-Aug-99 18:51:25
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 11:04:19
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: John Twelker <twelker@maui.net>


Zamp wrote:

> Ciao.
>
> Anyone got it ?
> Can it work with Os/2 ?

Aloha from Maui,

If you want to run any USB devices, make sure the motherboard that comes
with whatever processor you choose is OS/2 USB compliant, i.e. Intel and
not ALi.  With the K6-2 processor, IBM put it with ALi chipset on the
Aptiva and the OS/2 USB drivers won't install.


Aloha,

John Twelker
RaceManPro Windsurfing Software, Co-Developer
http://www.ultranet.com/~lefebvre/RaceManPro/

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

After 14 years of Microsoft, now happily running OS/2 Warp 4.0 ... while
we still have a choice.


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From: Skree@stubble.jumpers                             31-Aug-99 00:02:10
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 11:04:19
Subj: Re: GRADD 080 question.

From: Skree@stubble.jumpers

In <7qf26l$l83$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, on 08/30/99 
   at 10:56 PM, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) said:

Q}N.K. (kaba*@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
Q}: Hi,
Q}: I just got an STB Velocity 128 Card, (NVIDIA RIVA 128 chip) and I
Q}: finally managed to install the generic gradd 080 driver, and it seems to
Q}: be working fine in both OS2 and WIN/OS2, the problem is too much
Q}: flicker, and I may have missed it but I didn't see any option anywhere
Q}: for the refresh rate. Does anybody out there know of a better driver for
Q}: this chip or a way to improve the refresh rate, the flicker is
Q}: noticeable in both 65k and 16m colors.

Q}	Never bother going above 256 colors when using the generic SVGA  GRADD
Q}driver.

Try using nvidia's gradd driver - I believe it's on their site.  If you
can't find it - email me off the newsgroup and I'll email it too ya. -- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Kenn Sunley
MR/2 ICE ver 1.60 reg'd
Date: 1999.08.31
Time: 00:02:20 - -0600

ksunley@sk.sympatico.ca

Warp 4
233Mhz PII
ATI Xpert@work
Gradd Rocks - thank you IBM
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From: Skree@stubble.jumpers                             31-Aug-99 00:05:24
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 11:04:19
Subj: disk error on boot

From: Skree@stubble.jumpers

my machine at work has now decided to give me a disk erro on boot.

"Disk Error 130"

Does anyone know what this means.

I can no longer boot to os/2 because of it - but can boot to virus95.

heeeeeeellllllllllllpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Kenn Sunley
MR/2 ICE ver 1.60 reg'd
Date: 1999.08.31
Time: 00:05:49 - -0600

Warp 4
233Mhz PII
ATI Xpert@work
Gradd Rocks - thank you IBM
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From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca                                31-Aug-99 07:21:18
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 11:04:19
Subj: Re: Where is MMPM2 driver?

From: baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <eleS4DQ3N6dS-pn2-cRpKkwiUPz5h@tam-fl2-06.ix.netcom.com>,
rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) writes:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 03:49:14, baden@unixg.ubc.ca   (Baden Kudrenecky) 
>wrote:
>
>> >I'm still using an ancient PAS 16 and I wanted to play audio CD's and
> 
>>    That is my favourite sound card.
>
>I like it too.  Rugged and easy to use.  Playing CD's while not a
>necessity is a nice luxury.  With a cupole of amplified Labtec speakers
>it sounds like a nice stereo system. 
> 
>> >can't figure a way to do it with a native OS/2 application.  I
>> >downloaded something off of Hobbes and when I try to use it I get this
>> >can't load MMPM2 driver.  Well, no wonder.  It's not there but I see an
>> >MMPM2.INI file????
>
>>    You probably don't have MMPM (multimedia) support installed.
>> Go into "Selective Install", and install MMPM.  For the PAS, I
>> use DMA 6, IRQ 12, and for the SB side, DMA 1 and IRQ 5.
> 
>No, I've got it installed and FP40 for for Warp 3.  

   Your MMPM may just be corrupted.  Try "Selective Uninstall"
for MMPM, re-boot, and then "Selective Install" MMPM again.


baden

baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr                            31-Aug-99 09:17:11
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 11:04:19
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr (Stefan A. Deutscher)

On 30 Aug 1999 19:23:03 GMT, John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote:
>Roger Harkavy (tokenpablo@yahoo.com) wrote:
>: Yep, you read that right. All shrinkwrapped and everything. Someone who
>: was apparently an ex-IBM employee had this at a yard sale and I
>: couldn't resist picking it up.
>
>	Wow...what a waste of $1.50. ;-)
>
>	The only thing worthwhile in getting OS/2 2.x right now is for 
>the excellent manuals.


And a platform to test whether a code you've built _really_ still runs
on OS/2 2.x. I recall someone here searching for a copy of 2.1 a while
back for that reason. Stefan

-- 
=========================================================================
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Laboratoire des Collisions Atomiques et   | LCAM :  6915-7699  6915-7671
Mol\'{e}culaires (LCAM), B\^{a}timent 351 | home :  5624-0992  call first
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From: stantowianski@home.com                            31-Aug-99 11:53:24
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 14:56:01
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | )  do text only?

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

I am using IBM's C/C++ 2.01 (?) compiler.  I am writing in C.
These are all my fopen stmt.s:
            else if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "rb") ) != NULL )
        else if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "rb") ) != NULL )
        if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "ab") ) == NULL )
        if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "wb") ) == NULL )
            else if ( ( in = fopen( newname, "rb") ) == NULL )
        else if ( ( in = fopen( newname, "rb") ) == NULL )

It looks to me like OS/2's >  <  and |  are automatically changing LF
to CRLF and vice-versa which it sounds like means they are opening files
in text mode.

Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:14:44 GMT, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I wrote a cat.exe which write out a file's contents in binary.
> >I think the program is working, but when I redirect is with
> >| or > I think these are only allowing text mode file operations!
>
> You are opening the file in text mode by the sound of it, when you really
> want binary mode. How you select this is dependant on language/compiler and
> you don't say which you are using.....

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From: klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu                          31-Aug-99 12:41:09
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 14:56:01
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu (Kevin Croxen)

Another post pointed you to the address for the 2.1x fixpacks. They're not
cumulative like Warp fixpacks, and must be applied in order, i.e. the massive
xr06200a (plain xr06200 is for 5.25" floppies), then xr_b098, then xr_b108.
The good news is, once you have these fixes applied, if you're just trying
2.11 for a test drive and have a copy of Warp 3 Connect around, 2.11 at
fixpack 108 will install and run all aspects of Warp Connect's networking
package, including the early version of WebEx.

2.11 will not run native OS/2 Netscape, nor the final versions of WebEx. But
at fp108 the winos2 shell has become stable enough to use Windows 3.1
Communicator releases right up through 4.08. (Many win16 plugins will not
function, however.)

You will have to do a bit of driver patching to get ATAPI CDROM drives to
function (they didn't exist in '92), but they *will* work in 2.11. 

Have fun with it.

--Kevin  


In message <7qe7s8$r56$1@nnrp1.deja.com> - Roger Harkavy
<tokenpablo@yahoo.com> writes:
:>
:>Yep, you read that right. All shrinkwrapped and everything. Someone who
:>was apparently an ex-IBM employee had this at a yard sale and I
:>couldn't resist picking it up.
:>
:>Navigating IBM's labrynthine web site, I'm having trouble finding an
:>area with patches and drivers for this. Can someone point me in the
:>right direction?
:>
:>And is there any chance I can manage Internet access with this version?
:>
:>--
:>---
:>Roger Harkavy
:>tokenpablo@yahoo.com
:>http://www.interactive.net/~harkavyr/
:>
:>
:>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
:>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.




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From: C.J.@btsoftware.com                               31-Aug-99 15:00:21
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 14:56:01
Subj: UPDATED  MEMOPLUS

From: "C.J." <C.J.@btsoftware.com>

MEMOPLUS      UPDATED
****************		

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whole lot more!

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  - Start a note or a drawing from a template.
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From: jeffr@warsawcoil.com                              31-Aug-99 08:18:28
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 14:56:01
Subj: OS/2 telnet Q

From: "Jeff D. Roesner" <jeffr@warsawcoil.com>

When I telnet into my OS/2 machine I can't telnet out to any of the other
machines on my LAN.  Is this a known limitation of the OS/2
telnetd.exe/telnet.exe?


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From: NO_SPAM_TO_garyktse@hknet.com                     31-Aug-99 22:38:27
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 14:56:02
Subj: Re: disk error on boot

From: Gary Tse Kwong Chi <NO_SPAM_TO_garyktse@hknet.com>

How do you partition your HD?

Gary

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~

Haydn is the father of symphonies.
Mozart is the son of symphonies.
Beethoven is the god of symphonies.
And Bach is the Creator of all!

~~~ To reply, please remove the anti-spam statement before my e-mail
address. ~~~

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From: charette@writeme.com                              31-Aug-99 14:53:19
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 14:56:02
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | )  do text only?

From: charette@writeme.com

In <37CBC258.D9797845@home.com>, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
writes:
>I am using IBM's C/C++ 2.01 (?) compiler.  I am writing in C.
>These are all my fopen stmt.s:

[cut]

You are setting stdout to binary mode as well, right?

Here is a code snippet from some old app I wrote many years ago:

   /* get the filehandle to stdout */
   int filehandle = _fileno( stdout );
   /* force stdout to display using binary instead of text */
   _setmode( filehandle, O_BINARY );

Stephane Charette
charette@writeme.com

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From: richard@NOSPAMwebtrek.com                         31-Aug-99 15:25:20
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 14:56:02
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: richard@NOSPAMwebtrek.com (Richard R. Klemmer)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:29:16, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) 
wrote:

> Products have intelligence? You mean, someone perfected artificial 
> intelligence and *didn't tell me*?!

Absolutely.  I use that every time I fool my Boss into believing I 
actually know what I'm talking about.  :-)

-----------------------------
Richard R. Klemmer
richard@webtrek.com
http://www.webtrek.com
-----------------------------

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From: frat@dada.it                                      31-Aug-99 18:17:06
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 16:34:24
Subj: Help x Font True Type Installation !

From: "FraT" <frat@dada.it>

This is my problem:
I 've a True Type Font that I use in WIN98, so I wont install it in OS/2
Warp 4.
Great !! I think !!! Warp 4 is compatible ! But...
I try to install in Font accessories (Win/OS2 SHELL) and good, the font is
now in list of font!
I switch in OS2 and run WORKS (Word Processor) end the font is not present
!!!
There is really compatibility with OS2 and TTF ??
Where I had make a mistake!
So: IS POSSIBLE to use a TTF fonts with IBM WORKS (in OS2 Shell) ????

    Thank for your precious help !!!!


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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               31-Aug-99 17:32:00
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 16:34:24
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | ) do text only?

From: bv <bvermo@powertech.no>

Stan Towianski wrote:

> I am using IBM's C/C++ 2.01 (?) compiler.  I am writing in C.
> These are all my fopen stmt.s:
>             else if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "rb") ) != NULL )
>

... etc

> It looks to me like OS/2's >  <  and |  are automatically changing LF
> to CRLF and vice-versa which it sounds like means they are opening files
> in text mode.

The command line redirection in OS/2 is not designed for any heavy use, as far 
as
I recall.
In any case, the OS/2 command shell is not supposed to be compatible with any
UNIX shell.

This is a very inefficient method for interprogram communication in a
multithreaded operating system, and there are much better mechanisms available 
in
the OS/2 API. You can use named or unnamed pipes, message queues or other IPC
mechanisms.

This goes for file handling, too. Generally, it is both safer and better to
use
the OS/2 APIs for OS/2 programs instead of the general purpose POSIX/c library
ones.

This leads to a different recommended programming style from what is common in
the UNIX world. An added advantage is that the code is easier to read for
other
people. For instance, from the reference in the Developer Toolkit:

 This example opens or creates and opens a normal file named "DOSTEST.DAT",
 writes to it, reads from it, and finally closes it.

 #define INCL_DOSFILEMGR          /* File Manager values */
 #define INCL_DOSERRORS           /* DOS Error values    */
 #include <os2.h>
 #include <stdio.h>
 #include <string.h>

 int main(void) {
    HFILE  hfFileHandle   = 0L;     /* Handle for file being manipulated */
    ULONG  ulAction       = 0;      /* Action taken by DosOpen */
    ULONG  ulBytesRead    = 0;      /* Number of bytes read by DosRead */
    ULONG  ulWrote        = 0;      /* Number of bytes written by DosWrite */
    ULONG  ulLocal        = 0;      /* File pointer position after
DosSetFilePtr
*/
    UCHAR  uchFileName[20]  = "dostest.dat",     /* Name of file */
           uchFileData[100] = " ";               /* Data to write to file */
    APIRET rc             = NO_ERROR;            /* Return code */

    /* Open the file test.dat.  Use an existing file or create a new */
    /* one if it doesn't exist.                                      */
    rc = DosOpen(uchFileName,                    /* File path name */
                 &hfFileHandle,                  /* File handle */
                 &ulAction,                      /* Action taken */
                 100L,                           /* File primary allocation */
                 FILE_ARCHIVED | FILE_NORMAL,    /* File attribute */
                 OPEN_ACTION_CREATE_IF_NEW |
                 OPEN_ACTION_OPEN_IF_EXISTS,     /* Open function type */
                 OPEN_FLAGS_NOINHERIT |
                 OPEN_SHARE_DENYNONE  |
                 OPEN_ACCESS_READWRITE,          /* Open mode of the file */
                 0L);                            /* No extended attribute */

    if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
       printf("DosOpen error: return code = %u\n", rc);
       return 1;
    } else {
      printf ("DosOpen: Action taken = %ld\n", ulAction);
    } /* endif */
    /* Write a string to the file */
    strcpy (uchFileData, "testing...\n1...\n2...\n3\n");

    rc = DosWrite (hfFileHandle,                /* File handle */
                   (PVOID) uchFileData,         /* String to be written */
                   sizeof (uchFileData),        /* Size of string to be
written
*/
                   &ulWrote);                   /* Bytes actually written */

    if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
       printf("DosWrite error: return code = %u\n", rc);
       return 1;
    } else {
       printf ("DosWrite: Bytes written = %u\n", ulWrote);
    } /* endif */

    /* Move the file pointer back to the beginning of the file */
    rc = DosSetFilePtr (hfFileHandle,           /* File Handle */
                        0L,                     /* Offset */
                        FILE_BEGIN,             /* Move from BOF */
                        &ulLocal);              /* New location address */
    if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
       printf("DosSetFilePtr error: return code = %u\n", rc);
       return 1;
    }

    /* Read the first 100 bytes of the file */
    rc = DosRead (hfFileHandle,                /* File Handle */
                  uchFileData,                 /* String to be read */
                  100L,                        /* Length of string to be read
*/
                  &ulBytesRead);               /* Bytes actually read */

    if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
       printf("DosRead error: return code = %u\n", rc);
       return 1;
    } else {
       printf ("DosRead: Bytes read = %u\n%s\n", ulBytesRead, uchFileData);
    } /* endif */

    rc = DosClose(hfFileHandle);                /* Close the file */

    if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
       printf("DosClose error: return code = %u\n", rc);
       return 1;
    }
    return NO_ERROR;
 }

 The following example shows how to open a communications port:



 #define INCL_DOSFILEMGR          /* File Manager values      */
 #define INCL_DOSERRORS           /* DOS Error values         */
 #define INCL_DOSPROCESS          /* DOS Process values       */
 #define INCL_DOSMISC             /* DOS Miscellanous values  */
 #include <os2.h>
 #include <stdio.h>
 #include <string.h>

 int main(void) {

 PSZ      pszCommPort    = "COM1";     /* Port name, could use "\\DEV\COM1" 
*/
 HFILE    hPort          = NULLHANDLE; /* Handle for accessing port         
*/
 ULONG    ulAction       = 0L;         /* DosOpen action                    
*/
 ULONG    ulWrote        = 0;          /* Number of bytes written to port   
*/
 UCHAR    uchPortData[100] = " ";      /* Data to write to port             
*/
 APIRET   rc             = NO_ERROR;   /* Return code                       
*/
 DosError( FERR_DISABLEHARDERR);       /* Disable hard error pop-up messages
*/
 rc = DosOpen( pszCommPort,            /* Communications port to open       
*/
               &hPort,
               &ulAction,              /* Returns action taken by DosOpen   
*/
               0L,                     /* Not needed for byte stream devices
*/
               FILE_NORMAL,
               OPEN_ACTION_OPEN_IF_EXISTS,
               OPEN_ACCESS_READWRITE |
               OPEN_FLAGS_NOINHERIT  |
               OPEN_SHARE_DENYREADWRITE ,  /* Prevents us from opening port
*/
                                           /* if another application is using
it
*/
                                           /* and prevents other applications
*/
                                           /* from using port while we have it
*/
               0L);                        /* No extended attributes
*/
 DosError( FERR_ENABLEHARDERR);            /* Re-enable hard error pop-ups
*/


 if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
   printf("DosOpen error: return code = %u\n", rc);
   return 1;
 } else {
   printf ("DosOpen: Action taken = %ld\n", ulAction);
 } /* endif */





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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               31-Aug-99 17:44:19
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 16:34:24
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: bv <bvermo@powertech.no>

John Twelker wrote:

>  With the K6-2 processor, IBM put it with ALi chipset on the
> Aptiva and the OS/2 USB drivers won't install.
>

The Aptiva is not an IBM product, it is an IBM-branded OEM product from
Acer. It is a GOOD Taiwan clone, but you should not expect it to be
engineered line an IBM PC-300.


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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           31-Aug-99 17:07:24
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 16:34:24
Subj: Re: disk error on boot

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:05:49, Skree@stubble.jumpers wrote:

> my machine at work has now decided to give me a disk erro on boot.
> 
> "Disk Error 130"
> 
> Does anyone know what this means.
> 
> I can no longer boot to os/2 because of it - but can boot to virus95.
> 
>
heeeeeeellllllllllllpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Kenn Sunley
> MR/2 ICE ver 1.60 reg'd
> Date: 1999.08.31
> Time: 00:05:49 - -0600
> 
> Warp 4
> 233Mhz PII
> ATI Xpert@work
> Gradd Rocks - thank you IBM
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

I am not sure what the message means, or where it is coming from. 
However, I would suggest booting from your OS/2 boot diskttes, and run
FDISK. Check out the Boot manager partition (delete and reinstall, if 
neccesary), and make sure the other bootable partitions are configured
properly.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             31-Aug-99 12:39:25
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 16:34:24
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:44:38 +0200, bv wrote:

>>  With the K6-2 processor, IBM put it with ALi chipset on the
>> Aptiva and the OS/2 USB drivers won't install.
That's probably a bug. Whether in the BIOS or the drivers is harder to say.
I'll pass it along, though.


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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           31-Aug-99 18:41:29
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 16:34:25
Subj: Re: Help x Font True Type Installation !

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:17:13, "FraT" <frat@dada.it> wrote:

> This is my problem:
> I 've a True Type Font that I use in WIN98, so I wont install it in OS/2
> Warp 4.
> Great !! I think !!! Warp 4 is compatible ! But...
> I try to install in Font accessories (Win/OS2 SHELL) and good, the font is
> now in list of font!
> I switch in OS2 and run WORKS (Word Processor) end the font is not present
> !!!
> There is really compatibility with OS2 and TTF ??
> Where I had make a mistake!
> So: IS POSSIBLE to use a TTF fonts with IBM WORKS (in OS2 Shell) ????
> 
>     Thank for your precious help !!!!
> 

You might try using the Font Pallette that is in the OS/2 Setup 
folder.

Click on the "Edit Font" button and then Press "ADD" on the edit
dialog to add a new font.

Fonts added in WINOS2 are for the Windows 3.1 subsystem only.

Lorne Sunley

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From: weismer@erols.com                                 31-Aug-99 15:08:03
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 16:34:25
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Murray Weismer <weismer@erols.com>

Nicely said. And I loved the BeeGees part. (G)






Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:08:43, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) a
> ÿcrit dans un message:
> 
> snippercized
> >
> > I still think it's a class act. It makes the product available to
> > those who want to use it.
> 
> Oh, I'll stop a moment and quibble on that point, thanks. (Hot out, ain't
> it?)
> 
> Well, it would have been classier ..........






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___________________________________________________________
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From: weismer@erols.com                                 31-Aug-99 15:11:02
  To: esther@bitranch.com                               31-Aug-99 16:34:25
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

To: Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com>
From: Murray Weismer <weismer@erols.com>

As OS2 users, I guess we should be gracious to all who will throw us a
bone????



Esther Schindler wrote:
> Don't look gift horses in the mouth. They could have said, "Screw you,
> we're cancelling all product support." Instead, they gave the OS/2
> community a gift.
> 
> --Esther

-- 
___________________________________________________________
Home of DreckBak OS/2 Disk Backup Utility Suite
http://weismer.virtualave.net/DreckBak.html
_____PLEASE DO BACKUP YOUR DISKS_________________________
IBM BESTTeam - Team OS/2	
RPS.BBS  Phila. Pa (215)624-8960 Adult, Bible, and OS2 related
Hot_Asian_Food: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/9001
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From: madodel@ptdprolog.net                             31-Aug-99 20:34:22
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 20:08:13
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:39:51, "Scott E. Garfinkle" 
<seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com> wrote:

-)On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:44:38 +0200, bv wrote:
-)
-)>>  With the K6-2 processor, IBM put it with ALi chipset on the
-)>> Aptiva and the OS/2 USB drivers won't install.
-)That's probably a bug. Whether in the BIOS or the drivers is harder to say.
-)I'll pass it along, though.
-)
-)

Both John and myself reported this and IBM responded that it was a 
hardware issue.  The customer that paid for the USB driver only wanted
UHCI  support, but Ali, SiS, Opti and other (non-Intel) support OHCI. 
So unless you have an Intel or Via chipset you are screwed in regards 
to USB support under OS/2.  

It would be nice if the DDPak site stated that the driver only 
supports the Intel and Via chipsets.   So if you have any connections 
there, can you pass that on, so at least people won't waste time 
trying to get it to work if their system isn't supported.

Mark

//---------------------------------------------------------
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//             Healthcare Computer Consultant
//                   madodel@ptdprolog.net
//    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel
//
//  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
//             http://www.os2voice.org/index.html
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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             31-Aug-99 21:21:10
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 21:19:21
Subj: Help with Mindspring as an ISP

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

Anybody got tips on setting up a Mindspring account with DOIP?

I had a Netcom account and it always worked fine.  Now I'm setting up a
Mindspring account for a friend on my old machine.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               31-Aug-99 21:53:02
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 21:19:21
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:11:04, Murray Weismer <weismer@erols.com> 
wrote:
| As OS2 users, I guess we should be gracious to all who will throw us a
| bone????

As human beings, I think we should do our best to be gracious to 
everybody.

Murray, perhaps you've been lucky enough to succeed at everything you 
tried. Perhaps, if you failed at your goals, it was only your own life
that was affected. Some of us aren't this lucky.

At one time, my husband and I owned a computer store and consulting 
business, on an island off the coast of Maine. After several years, we
made the (ultimately wise) decision to pack up and move to Arizona. It
was a good decision for us, but we knew that our leaving town would 
affect the hundreds of customers to whom we'd sold hardware, software,
and services. While many of them essentially didn't care (we did a 
good job, and few of them needed our help), some of them were apt to 
be upset. So we did what we could to make the transition easier for 
them; we contacted our "good guy" competition and introduced him to 
the customers who were likely to be upset. That gave them the 
reassurance that there was someone "recommendable" in the area whom 
they could call.

I could have walked off and abandoned those people completely. I 
didn't do that. I could have come up with a scheme that would have 
cost me money. I didn't do that either. I treated my customers in the 
best way I could afford to do so, enabling them to keep their 
businesses running with the equipment I'd sold them.

The OS/2 community has had experience with one ISV, SPG, who actively 
abandoned the community, after making implied promises of a new 
product. Other OS/2 ISVs have quietly stopped updating their 
applications, and turned their attention to more remunerative 
platforms. Want a copy of Skyscraper? Lantastic for OS/2? the IBM OS/2
Funpak? Sorry, you're out of luck. Dan Porter had the guts to tell 
people what the company was doing, and why, even if the news wasn't 
what you wanted to hear. And he make the current versions available 
for free, with no strings attached.

Although I loved ColorWorks, I'd never again review an SPG product. 
I'd have no problem writing about an application from Innoval. They 
treated their users as well as they could, which is more than one can 
say for a majority of vendors.

--Esther

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    31-Aug-99 21:56:16
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 21:19:21
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Stefan A. Deutscher (stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr) wrote:

: >	The only thing worthwhile in getting OS/2 2.x right now is for 
: >the excellent manuals.

: And a platform to test whether a code you've built _really_ still runs
: on OS/2 2.x. I recall someone here searching for a copy of 2.1 a while
: back for that reason. Stefan

	No real purpose in that anymore, IMO, since it isn't going to be made
Y2K compliant.


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From: sharonp@homemail.com                              31-Aug-99 22:04:18
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 21:19:21
Subj: Re: Help with Mindspring as an ISP

From: sharonp@homemail.com (Sharon Parks)

In message <eleS4DQ3N6dS-pn2-nEcJehx7bH7R@localhost> - rgibson@ix.netcom.com
(Ron Gibson)31 Aug 1999 21:21:20 GMT writes:
:>
:>Anybody got tips on setting up a Mindspring account with DOIP?
:>
:>I had a Netcom account and it always worked fine.  Now I'm setting up a
:>Mindspring account for a friend on my old machine.
:>
:>                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com
:>

I'm using Mindspring with all my same netcom settings.  There was no need to
change anything.  I use DOIP.

Sharon

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From: rcmartin@netcom.com                               31-Aug-99 22:34:15
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:22
Subj: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: rcmartin@netcom.com

Does anyone know if Win98SE will run
under OS2 Bootmanager?
Thanks,
Rosemarie

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From: mhammoc@ibm.net                                   31-Aug-99 23:25:12
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:23
Subj: OS/2 on I-Series ThinkPad

From: mhammoc@ibm.net

OK, I'm reviving an old topic....  Ability of
running OS/2 on a I-Series Thinkpad (especially
a 1458 or 1472).  Why??..  Well, I had decided on 
a 390E instead of an I-Series, but now it's been
on order / backordered for almost two months
and no good estimate of delivery yet.  Can't
really afford better models with features I  
think I need.  So...
  Am looking again at I-Series.  I assume the   
'base' OS/2 will install and more-or-less run.
Question is about 'add-on's such as video, audio, 
modem, etc.  A little checking shows that the 
IBM TP 570 uses the same videp adapter as the 
1458/72, so that should be OK.  Don't really care
a lot about audio.  So, what else is missing
or would be a problem??  Could I drive the 
modem at, say, 33.8??  Will the CDROM/DVD
work OK?  Power control may be a problem, but
again, that's not a major issue.
  Opinions??  Experiences??
 Thanks
   Mike

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             31-Aug-99 23:42:17
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:23
Subj: Re: Help with Mindspring as an ISP

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:04:37, sharonp@homemail.com (Sharon Parks) wrote:

> :>Anybody got tips on setting up a Mindspring account with DOIP?

> :>I had a Netcom account and it always worked fine.  Now I'm setting up a
> :>Mindspring account for a friend on my old machine.
 
> I'm using Mindspring with all my same netcom settings.  There was no need to
> change anything.  I use DOIP.
 
But now you can't get a Netcom account through Mindspring. It's a 
Mindspring account and uses a different DNS, etc.

But if you had a Netcom account and it was bought out by Mindspring then
you can use all the same settings.  That's my situation.  My friend is
getting a *new* account and so it has to be a Mindspring account.

BTW, there giving a nice kickback to both of us for her signing up as my
referral.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    31-Aug-99 18:39:22
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:23
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <frthfvozpbz.fhc8yfe.pminews@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com>,
"Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:44:38 +0200, bv wrote:
>
>>>  With the K6-2 processor, IBM put it with ALi chipset on the
>>> Aptiva and the OS/2 USB drivers won't install.
>That's probably a bug. Whether in the BIOS or the drivers is harder to say.
>I'll pass it along, though.

There's been quite a bit of discussion in one of the mailing lists I
subscribe to (I think it's the PDD list for Device Driver developers).
As far as I know, the final word from Sam Detweiler was that the USB
drivers were written, under contract, for a company that only needed
the drivers to work with the Intel chipsets (it's apparently a bonus
that they work with the VIA chipsets as well), and they will NOT work
with the Ali or SiS chipsets because of a different implementation of
the USB support in these chipsets.

--
**************************************************************
*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
**************************************************************
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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  31-Aug-99 17:53:21
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:23
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

Works for me.  However, when you intall Win98, it will detect Boot
Manager and tell you it won't work anymore (how big an ego can you
have).  After the install,  boot to OS/2 floppies, fdisk, and set boot
manager back up.

rcmartin@netcom.com wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if Win98SE will run
> under OS2 Bootmanager?
> Thanks,
> Rosemarie

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  31-Aug-99 17:56:04
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:23
Subj: Re: OS/2 on I-Series ThinkPad

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

I think you will find that the "i series" is the Aptiva of the Thinkpad
world.  Cheap, but no OS/2 drivers for anything that you really want to
do.  I would avoid it like the plague for OS/2 and keep waiting for the
real thing.

mhammoc@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> OK, I'm reviving an old topic....  Ability of
> running OS/2 on a I-Series Thinkpad (especially
> a 1458 or 1472).  Why??..  Well, I had decided on
> a 390E instead of an I-Series, but now it's been
> on order / backordered for almost two months
> and no good estimate of delivery yet.  Can't
> really afford better models with features I
> think I need.  So...
>   Am looking again at I-Series.  I assume the
> 'base' OS/2 will install and more-or-less run.
> Question is about 'add-on's such as video, audio,
> modem, etc.  A little checking shows that the
> IBM TP 570 uses the same videp adapter as the
> 1458/72, so that should be OK.  Don't really care
> a lot about audio.  So, what else is missing
> or would be a problem??  Could I drive the
> modem at, say, 33.8??  Will the CDROM/DVD
> work OK?  Power control may be a problem, but
> again, that's not a major issue.
>   Opinions??  Experiences??
>  Thanks
>    Mike

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        01-Sep-99 00:01:10
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:23
Subj: Re: Quirks of the WPS...

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:41:15, nospam@savebandwidth.invalid     (John Thompson) 

wrote:

> >Ahhhh... enlightenment!  Thanks.  Although, just as a remark, this doesn't 
> >seem to work under Warp 3 - there's no "Create Program Object" choice in 
> >the menu, and dragging creates a shadow of the executable, not a program
> >object.  My "production" machine is Warp 4 though, so no problem...
> 
> Running Warp v3 here I see "Create Another...Program object" from
> the MB2 pop-up menu.

Oh, I see you have to click MB2 on the .EXE file, you can't do it from
the target folder.  Odd, but never mind...

-----------------------------------------------------------------
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 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        01-Sep-99 00:11:01
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:23
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:27:19, Roger Harkavy <tokenpablo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yep, you read that right. All shrinkwrapped and everything. Someone who
> was apparently an ex-IBM employee had this at a yard sale and I
> couldn't resist picking it up.

Hah, try this - at the company where I was working a few months ago
(a client company, not my employers), the IS department did a big move
onto another floor.  When they were cleaning up their offices, you wouldn't
believe some of the stuff they were chucking.  I picked up OS/2 Warp Connect
blue spine out of a to-be-trashed-pile.  Even had all the extra CDs, ads,
warranty cards, etc - only thing missing was the User Manual, and I already
have 2 copies, so...

I also recently picked up 2 copies of WordPerfect 5.2 for OS/2 in the same
way.  One of them still had the suggested retail price tag on it - something
like $600 Cdn <shudder>...

(Two other copies of Warp 3 were given to me at other times, actually.  I'm 
thinking of starting a collection.)
 
> Navigating IBM's labrynthine web site, I'm having trouble finding an
> area with patches and drivers for this. Can someone point me in the
> right direction?

http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp - follow the Downloads link from
there (the one on the sidebar, not at the top) to find drivers, fixpacks,
Software Choice features, etc.
 
> And is there any chance I can manage Internet access with this version?

Can't help you there... not sure if FreeTCP works on version 2.x, but
you might check it out.

On a slightly different note, does anyone know if the version of TCP/IP
(2.0?) that comes with vanilla Warp 3 (via the IAK) is upgradeable to
the later versions by fixpacks or whatever?  Just curious.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
 alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From: nospamnclarke@bellatlantic.net                    01-Sep-99 00:22:12
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:24
Subj: Re: Configuring BellAtlanticNet ADSL

From: "Nigel Clarke" <nospamnclarke@bellatlantic.net>

On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:37:44 -0400 (EDT), Philip R. Mann wrote:

:>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:55:55 GMT, Nigel Clarke wrote:
:>
:>:>The address they give you is a class B and most TCP implementations
:>:>recognise it as such therefore they put in 255.255.0.0. 
:>
:>Evidently not Win 9x.

I meant to imply correctly implemented TCP/IP implementations when I said
most. Sorry 'bout that.

:>
:>What does this mean in real life?
:>
:>And thanks for the earlier private message; it pointed me in the right
direction.
:>
:>----- PRM -----

The original grouping gave out class A addresses to big companies using
the lower 24 bits to denote individual IP addresses. Class B's went to
smaller companies using the lower 16 bits for addresses and Class C 
went to those sites needing just 253 addresses (.0 and .255 being
reserved). To mask out the address bits you use the netmask to OR
(or is it AND :-) out the address to identify your subnet. For example
you can have subnets AAA.BBB.100.DDD through AAA.BBB.104.DDD
and the corresponding netmask would be 255.255.252.0 - check the bits
to see exactly how it works. Your machine knows that with the 255.255.252.0
mask that all addresses from 100 to 104 are in the same subnet.

So in this case Bell Atlantic's Class C has just over 65 thousand addresses
that they can hand out. You machine knows that all addresses from AAA.BBB.0.1
to AAA.BBB.255.254 are on the same subnet.

It doesn't actually matter much in this case unless you have it set wrongly.

Nigel


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From: nospamnclarke@bellatlantic.net                    01-Sep-99 00:24:18
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:24
Subj: Re: Configuring BellAtlanticNet ADSL

From: "Nigel Clarke" <nospamnclarke@bellatlantic.net>

On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:56:50 -0400 (EDT), Philip R. Mann wrote:

:>On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:28:07 -0400, Stephen Eickhoff wrote:
:>
:>:>Even though they say the netmask should be 255.255.255.0, I believe it
should be 
255.255.0.0. I don't know why..
:>
:>I received a message from Nigel Clarke who uses BellAtlantic.Net down South
and made this 
discovery by comparing with his setup.  Thanks to both of you.  This leads to
a question --- what 
does using subnet 255.255.0.0 rather than 255.255.255.0 affect (other than
letting my system 
work<g>?  Should I let my BA representative know so that they can do something 
on their end?
:>
:>>using a hostname as your DNS is a catch-22
:>
:>I'm not doing that.  I listed the results from the host command in case that 
would help in some 
way.
:>
:>As it now stands, I have the connection but it has a tendency to drop when
using PMINews or 
Netscape; I am able to get it back by using the Route command to delete one of 
the lines that 
somehow gets added --- another trick I learned from Nigel --- but it makes it
hard to let programs 
run and autodownload work.
:>
:>

Make a shadow of the setup.cmd file and keep it on your desktop. If I see that
the line has choked up due to the routing table getting lots of extra entries
I just
run it to clear the table back to the original. Works a treat - a fix from IBM 
would 
work better but we'll have to wait and see.

Nigel


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From: voon@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU                      31-Aug-99 17:33:12
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:24
Subj: Does OS/2 Run On ChemBooks?

From: voon@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (George Voon Hian Hee)

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone is running OS/2 on a ChemBook notebook
or the ChemPC 3000 (transportable) made by Chem USA?  I searched
Deja.com, but didn't find anything recent.  The local MicroTimes
shows that these notebooks are quite prevalent.  Thanks in advance.

george

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From: dmckenn@ibm.net                                   31-Aug-99 20:36:03
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:24
Subj: Re: Help x Font True Type Installation !

From: "David McKenna" <dmckenn@ibm.net>

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:17:13 +0200, FraT wrote:

>This is my problem:
>I 've a True Type Font that I use in WIN98, so I wont install it in OS/2
>Warp 4.
>Great !! I think !!! Warp 4 is compatible ! But...
>I try to install in Font accessories (Win/OS2 SHELL) and good, the font is
>now in list of font!
>I switch in OS2 and run WORKS (Word Processor) end the font is not present
>!!!
>There is really compatibility with OS2 and TTF ??
>Where I had make a mistake!
>So: IS POSSIBLE to use a TTF fonts with IBM WORKS (in OS2 Shell) ????
>
>    Thank for your precious help !!!!
>
>
   You can use the Font Palette in the system setup folder, or get the very
nice 'Font Folder' shareware package from BMTMicro (www.bmtmicro.com).

Dave McKenna


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From: tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com                          31-Aug-99 20:30:23
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:24
Subj: Re: OS/2 on I-Series ThinkPad

From: Timothy Sipples <tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com>

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> I think you will find that the "i series" is the Aptiva of the Thinkpad
> world.  Cheap, but no OS/2 drivers for anything that you really want to
> do.  I would avoid it like the plague for OS/2 and keep waiting for the
> real thing.
> mhammoc@ibm.net wrote:
> >   Am looking again at I-Series.  I assume the
> > 'base' OS/2 will install and more-or-less run.
> > Question is about 'add-on's such as video, audio,
> > modem, etc.  A little checking shows that the
> > IBM TP 570 uses the same videp adapter as the
> > 1458/72, so that should be OK.  Don't really care
> > a lot about audio.  So, what else is missing
> > or would be a problem??  Could I drive the
> > modem at, say, 33.8??  Will the CDROM/DVD
> > work OK?  Power control may be a problem, but
> > again, that's not a major issue.
> >   Opinions??  Experiences??
> >  Thanks
> >    Mike

At least one (and probably more) of the i series ThinkPads (in the 17xx
series) is certified for OS/2 Warp.

You might check the IBM PC Group support pages for the various ThinkPad
models.  (See http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad to start.)  The 390 series
is obviously a good choice, too.

However, my favorite OS/2 Warp certified ThinkPad is the 600 series.  VERY
nice systems.  I also really like my ThinkPad 560Z (essentially a 600
without the CD-ROM capability).

-- 
Timothy Sipples
IBM Network Computing Software
Chicago, Illinois
Web: http://www.satdirect.com/aviation

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                31-Aug-99 21:17:20
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:24
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:27:19, Roger Harkavy <tokenpablo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Yep, you read that right. All shrinkwrapped and everything. Someone who
> > was apparently an ex-IBM employee had this at a yard sale and I
> > couldn't resist picking it up.
> 
> Hah, try this - at the company where I was working a few months ago
> (a client company, not my employers), the IS department did a big move
> onto another floor.  When they were cleaning up their offices, you wouldn't
> believe some of the stuff they were chucking.  I picked up OS/2 Warp Connect
> blue spine out of a to-be-trashed-pile.  Even had all the extra CDs, ads,
> warranty cards, etc - only thing missing was the User Manual, and I already
> have 2 copies, so...
> 
> I also recently picked up 2 copies of WordPerfect 5.2 for OS/2 in the same
> way.  One of them still had the suggested retail price tag on it - something
> like $600 Cdn <shudder>...
> 
> (Two other copies of Warp 3 were given to me at other times, actually.  I'm
> thinking of starting a collection.)
> 
> > Navigating IBM's labrynthine web site, I'm having trouble finding an
> > area with patches and drivers for this. Can someone point me in the
> > right direction?
> 
> http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp - follow the Downloads link from
> there (the one on the sidebar, not at the top) to find drivers, fixpacks,
> Software Choice features, etc.
> 
> > And is there any chance I can manage Internet access with this version?
> 
> Can't help you there... not sure if FreeTCP works on version 2.x, but
> you might check it out.
> 
> On a slightly different note, does anyone know if the version of TCP/IP
> (2.0?) that comes with vanilla Warp 3 (via the IAK) is upgradeable to
> the later versions by fixpacks or whatever?  Just curious.

If I'm not mistaken, all you have found is the same as copyied, pirated
software.  You did not get licenses for this software.  If the company
is still using OS/2, those 2.1 copies probably had their licenses
transferred with upgrades to later versions, and Wordperfect for OS/2
was right where it belonged:  in the trash.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: mhammoc@ibm.net                                   01-Sep-99 02:26:24
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:24
Subj: Re: OS/2 on I-Series ThinkPad

From: mhammoc@ibm.net

In <37CC81C6.91F246BE@us.iNoSPAMbm.com>, Timothy Sipples
<tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com> writes:
>Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>> I think you will find that the "i series" is the Aptiva of the Thinkpad
>> world.  Cheap, but no OS/2 drivers for anything that you really want to
>> do.  I would avoid it like the plague for OS/2 and keep waiting for the
>> real thing.
>> mhammoc@ibm.net wrote:
>> >   Am looking again at I-Series.  I assume the
>> > 'base' OS/2 will install and more-or-less run.
>> > Question is about 'add-on's such as video, audio,
>> > modem, etc.  A little checking shows that the
>> > IBM TP 570 uses the same videp adapter as the
>> > 1458/72, so that should be OK.  Don't really care
>> > a lot about audio.  So, what else is missing
>> > or would be a problem??  Could I drive the
>> > modem at, say, 33.8??  Will the CDROM/DVD
>> > work OK?  Power control may be a problem, but
>> > again, that's not a major issue.
>> >   Opinions??  Experiences??
>> >  Thanks
>> >    Mike
>
>At least one (and probably more) of the i series ThinkPads (in the 17xx
>series) is certified for OS/2 Warp.
>
>You might check the IBM PC Group support pages for the various ThinkPad
>models.  (See http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad to start.)  The 390 series
>is obviously a good choice, too.
>
>However, my favorite OS/2 Warp certified ThinkPad is the 600 series.  VERY
>nice systems.  I also really like my ThinkPad 560Z (essentially a 600
>without the CD-ROM capability).
>
>-- 
>Timothy Sipples
>IBM Network Computing Software
>Chicago, Illinois
>Web: http://www.satdirect.com/aviation


Yes, I tried finding a 1720 / 1721 with no luck...  discontinued and
none to be had.  I'd lova a 600 or such (570 looks good also), but
exceed my budget by about 50%.  My requirements are:
  300MHz or better, 64MB memory (could upgrade 32MB), 4+ GB hard drive,
  1024x768 display (usually 14").  

Mike

   Looks like IBM night on the List...  I know Tim's background, but am
   still trying to remember where I've seen Chuck's name around.
      Mike  (retired a whole 2 months now)


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    01-Sep-99 02:38:21
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 10:43:24
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Alex Taylor (alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca) wrote:

: On a slightly different note, does anyone know if the version of TCP/IP
: (2.0?) that comes with vanilla Warp 3 (via the IAK) is upgradeable to
: the later versions by fixpacks or whatever?  Just curious.

	Yep.  First off, you'll need the UN64092 update (consists of four
disks):

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v2.0os2/un64092/
Here you will have a choice of either four zip files or four (I can't 
remember, either .DSK or .XDF images)

	After applying that update, you will need PPP.ZIP which can be 
found under Hobbes (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu), just do a search for the 
file name and you'll get it.  Stick it in your X:\TCPIP\ directory and 
unzip the contents letting it overwrite whatever it wants.
	Optional update here is for NewsReader/2 (NR2V125.ZIP, again at
Hobbes).  Like PPP.ZIP, stick it into your X:\TCPIP\ directory and unzip 
and overwrite whatever it wants.
	Optional update is DOSBOX:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/dosbox/latest/
Optional in that it is only used if you intend to use any DOS or Windows 
3.1 internet tools.  It is a executable using IBM's BookManager method.  
Basically, to unpack, stick the file into a TEMP directory and do the 
following:  "C:\TEMP\DOSBOX.EXE C:\TEMP", there it will unpack the 
contents into the C:\TEMP directory.  Just read the readme in order to 
know where each file is to copy over.
	The latest stack is the must-have, which can be located at:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v2.0os2/latest/stack/

	Again, it is in the IBM BookManager method so do what you did for 
the DOSBOX in unpacking.

	Another must-have, Y2K update:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v2.0os2/year2000/

	Again, IBM BookManager method.

	Optional update is IBM's WebExplorer, last version was 1.1h.  It 
can be found here:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/webexplorer/1.1h/

	Another optional update is IBM's UltiMedia Mail/2 product, which 
sucked the high heaven, so don't bother. ;-)

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/ultimail2 (or something of the 
like, I forget the spelling of it).

	You can grab an updated modem listing for using the Dial Other 
Internet Providers dialer (or IBM's Dialer for their web service) at:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v4.0os2/

	There should be a directory there for modemlistings.  Stick that 
in your X:\TCPIP\ETC directory (for Warp 3 users).  For Warp Connect and 
Warp 4 users that must go into the X:\MPTN\ETC directory.

	Hope this helps. ;-)


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From: stantowianski@home.com                            01-Sep-99 02:45:03
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 14:27:05
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | ) do text only?

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

Hi,

Thanks, but that does not look easier to read.
The other person's suggestion still does not seem to work.
See their note.

bv wrote:

> Stan Towianski wrote:
>
> > I am using IBM's C/C++ 2.01 (?) compiler.  I am writing in C.
> > These are all my fopen stmt.s:
> >             else if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "rb") ) != NULL )
> >
>
> ... etc
>
> > It looks to me like OS/2's >  <  and |  are automatically changing LF
> > to CRLF and vice-versa which it sounds like means they are opening files
> > in text mode.
>
> The command line redirection in OS/2 is not designed for any heavy use, as
far as
> I recall.
> In any case, the OS/2 command shell is not supposed to be compatible with
any
> UNIX shell.
>
> This is a very inefficient method for interprogram communication in a
> multithreaded operating system, and there are much better mechanisms
available in
> the OS/2 API. You can use named or unnamed pipes, message queues or other
IPC
> mechanisms.
>
> This goes for file handling, too. Generally, it is both safer and better to
use
> the OS/2 APIs for OS/2 programs instead of the general purpose POSIX/c
library
> ones.
>
> This leads to a different recommended programming style from what is common
in
> the UNIX world. An added advantage is that the code is easier to read for
other
> people. For instance, from the reference in the Developer Toolkit:
>
>  This example opens or creates and opens a normal file named "DOSTEST.DAT",
>  writes to it, reads from it, and finally closes it.
>
>  #define INCL_DOSFILEMGR          /* File Manager values */
>  #define INCL_DOSERRORS           /* DOS Error values    */
>  #include <os2.h>
>  #include <stdio.h>
>  #include <string.h>
>
>  int main(void) {
>     HFILE  hfFileHandle   = 0L;     /* Handle for file being manipulated */
>     ULONG  ulAction       = 0;      /* Action taken by DosOpen */
>     ULONG  ulBytesRead    = 0;      /* Number of bytes read by DosRead */
>     ULONG  ulWrote        = 0;      /* Number of bytes written by DosWrite
*/
>     ULONG  ulLocal        = 0;      /* File pointer position after
DosSetFilePtr
> */
>     UCHAR  uchFileName[20]  = "dostest.dat",     /* Name of file */
>            uchFileData[100] = " ";               /* Data to write to file */
>     APIRET rc             = NO_ERROR;            /* Return code */
>
>     /* Open the file test.dat.  Use an existing file or create a new */
>     /* one if it doesn't exist.                                      */
>     rc = DosOpen(uchFileName,                    /* File path name */
>                  &hfFileHandle,                  /* File handle */
>                  &ulAction,                      /* Action taken */
>                  100L,                           /* File primary allocation
*/
>                  FILE_ARCHIVED | FILE_NORMAL,    /* File attribute */
>                  OPEN_ACTION_CREATE_IF_NEW |
>                  OPEN_ACTION_OPEN_IF_EXISTS,     /* Open function type */
>                  OPEN_FLAGS_NOINHERIT |
>                  OPEN_SHARE_DENYNONE  |
>                  OPEN_ACCESS_READWRITE,          /* Open mode of the file */
>                  0L);                            /* No extended attribute */
>
>     if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
>        printf("DosOpen error: return code = %u\n", rc);
>        return 1;
>     } else {
>       printf ("DosOpen: Action taken = %ld\n", ulAction);
>     } /* endif */
>     /* Write a string to the file */
>     strcpy (uchFileData, "testing...\n1...\n2...\n3\n");
>
>     rc = DosWrite (hfFileHandle,                /* File handle */
>                    (PVOID) uchFileData,         /* String to be written */
>                    sizeof (uchFileData),        /* Size of string to be
written
> */
>                    &ulWrote);                   /* Bytes actually written */
>
>     if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
>        printf("DosWrite error: return code = %u\n", rc);
>        return 1;
>     } else {
>        printf ("DosWrite: Bytes written = %u\n", ulWrote);
>     } /* endif */
>
>     /* Move the file pointer back to the beginning of the file */
>     rc = DosSetFilePtr (hfFileHandle,           /* File Handle */
>                         0L,                     /* Offset */
>                         FILE_BEGIN,             /* Move from BOF */
>                         &ulLocal);              /* New location address */
>     if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
>        printf("DosSetFilePtr error: return code = %u\n", rc);
>        return 1;
>     }
>
>     /* Read the first 100 bytes of the file */
>     rc = DosRead (hfFileHandle,                /* File Handle */
>                   uchFileData,                 /* String to be read */
>                   100L,                        /* Length of string to be
read */
>                   &ulBytesRead);               /* Bytes actually read */
>
>     if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
>        printf("DosRead error: return code = %u\n", rc);
>        return 1;
>     } else {
>        printf ("DosRead: Bytes read = %u\n%s\n", ulBytesRead, uchFileData);
>     } /* endif */
>
>     rc = DosClose(hfFileHandle);                /* Close the file */
>
>     if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
>        printf("DosClose error: return code = %u\n", rc);
>        return 1;
>     }
>     return NO_ERROR;
>  }
>
>  The following example shows how to open a communications port:
>
>  #define INCL_DOSFILEMGR          /* File Manager values      */
>  #define INCL_DOSERRORS           /* DOS Error values         */
>  #define INCL_DOSPROCESS          /* DOS Process values       */
>  #define INCL_DOSMISC             /* DOS Miscellanous values  */
>  #include <os2.h>
>  #include <stdio.h>
>  #include <string.h>
>
>  int main(void) {
>
>  PSZ      pszCommPort    = "COM1";     /* Port name, could use "\\DEV\COM1"  
*/
>  HFILE    hPort          = NULLHANDLE; /* Handle for accessing port          
*/
>  ULONG    ulAction       = 0L;         /* DosOpen action                     
*/
>  ULONG    ulWrote        = 0;          /* Number of bytes written to port    
*/
>  UCHAR    uchPortData[100] = " ";      /* Data to write to port              
*/
>  APIRET   rc             = NO_ERROR;   /* Return code                        
*/
>  DosError( FERR_DISABLEHARDERR);       /* Disable hard error pop-up messages 
*/
>  rc = DosOpen( pszCommPort,            /* Communications port to open        
*/
>                &hPort,
>                &ulAction,              /* Returns action taken by DosOpen    
*/
>                0L,                     /* Not needed for byte stream devices 
*/
>                FILE_NORMAL,
>                OPEN_ACTION_OPEN_IF_EXISTS,
>                OPEN_ACCESS_READWRITE |
>                OPEN_FLAGS_NOINHERIT  |
>                OPEN_SHARE_DENYREADWRITE ,  /* Prevents us from opening port
> */
>                                            /* if another application is
using it
> */
>                                            /* and prevents other
applications
> */
>                                            /* from using port while we have
it
> */
>                0L);                        /* No extended attributes
> */
>  DosError( FERR_ENABLEHARDERR);            /* Re-enable hard error pop-ups
> */
>
>  if (rc != NO_ERROR) {
>    printf("DosOpen error: return code = %u\n", rc);
>    return 1;
>  } else {
>    printf ("DosOpen: Action taken = %ld\n", ulAction);
>  } /* endif */

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From: stantowianski@home.com                            01-Sep-99 02:55:03
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 14:27:05
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | )  do text only?

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

Hi,

Thanks.  I did not think of that.  I tried it and that does not seem
to work though either.  Close to the top, after main() I added what you said:
first: #include <fcntl.h>      <=  needed this too.

main()
...

/* get the filehandle to stdout */
/* force stdout to display using binary instead of text */
rc = _fileno( stdout );
/*fprintf( stderr, "rc handle # for stdout =%d", rc );*/
_setmode( rc, O_BINARY );
fprintf( stderr, "rc for setmode for stdout =%d\n", rc );
gets( ans );                    <== I get:  rc for setmode for stdout =1

/* get the filehandle to stdin */
/* force stdin to display using binary instead of text */
rc = _fileno( stdin );
_setmode( rc, O_BINARY );

...
        rc = fread( f_line, 1, seg_size, in );
        fprintf( stderr, "\rread bytes = %d", rc );

...
        rc = fwrite( f_line, rc, 1, out );
        fprintf( stderr, "\rwrote bytes = %d", rc );
        } /* end while */


in sub to open output file:
        if ( *newname == '-' )
            {
            out = stdout;
            fprintf( stderr, "Writing stdout\n" );
            }


when I do cat.exe config.sys >out
I get a bigger out file with the newlines added:
 8-28-99   8:55a      7605           0  CONFIG.SYS   (contains 191 lines)
 8-31-99  10:50p      7796           0  out

charette@writeme.com wrote:

> In <37CBC258.D9797845@home.com>, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
writes:
> >I am using IBM's C/C++ 2.01 (?) compiler.  I am writing in C.
> >These are all my fopen stmt.s:
>
> [cut]
>
> You are setting stdout to binary mode as well, right?
>
> Here is a code snippet from some old app I wrote many years ago:
>
>    /* get the filehandle to stdout */
>    int filehandle = _fileno( stdout );
>    /* force stdout to display using binary instead of text */
>    _setmode( filehandle, O_BINARY );
>
> Stephane Charette
> charette@writeme.com

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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     31-Aug-99 21:37:01
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 14:27:05
Subj: Phantom harddrive

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

I removed an old harddrive from my system, but it is still showing up 
in FDISK.  I tried all combination of hardware detection (on next boot
only, full, F1 and then full, etc).  I also tried deleting it with 
DFSee.  No luck.

Any suggestions?


J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
******************
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
*******************

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                01-Sep-99 00:00:09
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 on I-Series ThinkPad

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

mhammoc@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> In <37CC81C6.91F246BE@us.iNoSPAMbm.com>, Timothy Sipples
<tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com> writes:
> >Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> >> I think you will find that the "i series" is the Aptiva of the Thinkpad
> >> world.  Cheap, but no OS/2 drivers for anything that you really want to
> >> do.  I would avoid it like the plague for OS/2 and keep waiting for the
> >> real thing.
> >> mhammoc@ibm.net wrote:
> >> >   Am looking again at I-Series.  I assume the
> >> > 'base' OS/2 will install and more-or-less run.
> >> > Question is about 'add-on's such as video, audio,
> >> > modem, etc.  A little checking shows that the
> >> > IBM TP 570 uses the same videp adapter as the
> >> > 1458/72, so that should be OK.  Don't really care
> >> > a lot about audio.  So, what else is missing
> >> > or would be a problem??  Could I drive the
> >> > modem at, say, 33.8??  Will the CDROM/DVD
> >> > work OK?  Power control may be a problem, but
> >> > again, that's not a major issue.
> >> >   Opinions??  Experiences??
> >> >  Thanks
> >> >    Mike
> >
> >At least one (and probably more) of the i series ThinkPads (in the 17xx
> >series) is certified for OS/2 Warp.
> >
> >You might check the IBM PC Group support pages for the various ThinkPad
> >models.  (See http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad to start.)  The 390 series
> >is obviously a good choice, too.
> >
> >However, my favorite OS/2 Warp certified ThinkPad is the 600 series.  VERY
> >nice systems.  I also really like my ThinkPad 560Z (essentially a 600
> >without the CD-ROM capability).
> >
> >--
> >Timothy Sipples
> >IBM Network Computing Software
> >Chicago, Illinois
> >Web: http://www.satdirect.com/aviation
> 
> Yes, I tried finding a 1720 / 1721 with no luck...  discontinued and
> none to be had.  I'd lova a 600 or such (570 looks good also), but
> exceed my budget by about 50%.  My requirements are:
>   300MHz or better, 64MB memory (could upgrade 32MB), 4+ GB hard drive,
>   1024x768 display (usually 14").
> 
> Mike
> 
>    Looks like IBM night on the List...  I know Tim's background, but am
>    still trying to remember where I've seen Chuck's name around.
>       Mike  (retired a whole 2 months now)

Chuch used to be quite active on IBMLink/TalkLink.  Of course, maybe
he still is.  I haven't been there in quite some time.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                01-Sep-99 00:03:09
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:18
Subj: Re: Phantom harddrive

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

J.P. Pasnak wrote:
> 
> I removed an old harddrive from my system, but it is still showing up
> in FDISK.  I tried all combination of hardware detection (on next boot
> only, full, F1 and then full, etc).  I also tried deleting it with
> DFSee.  No luck.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> J.P. Pasnak
> Warped Systems
> ******************
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
> *******************

CMOS maybe?
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             31-Aug-99 22:14:20
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:18
Subj: Re: Does OS/2 Run On ChemBooks?

From: bstephan@redshift.com

Take a look at http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/Notebook.htm
and see if there is any info there.


In <7qhs8k$n5$1@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>, on 08/31/99 
   at 05:33 PM, voon@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (George Voon Hian Hee)
said:


>Hello,

>I was wondering if anyone is running OS/2 on a ChemBook notebook or
>the ChemPC 3000 (transportable) made by Chem USA?  I searched
>Deja.com, but didn't find anything recent.  The local MicroTimes
>shows that these notebooks are quite prevalent.  Thanks in advance.

>george


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: i.coole@ic.ac.uk                                  01-Sep-99 06:33:16
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:19
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: i.coole@ic.ac.uk

In <37CC6B06.463B7F5F@ibm.net>, Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net> writes:

You don't need to boot OS/2 to reenable boot manager.  Run FDISK in a WIN98
MS-DOS window, select the 'set active partition' option and make the
bootmanager
partition, usually partition one, the active partition.  When you reboot, it
will be
via bootmanager.

>Works for me.  However, when you intall Win98, it will detect Boot
>Manager and tell you it won't work anymore (how big an ego can you
>have).  After the install,  boot to OS/2 floppies, fdisk, and set boot
>manager back up.
>
>rcmartin@netcom.com wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know if Win98SE will run
>> under OS2 Bootmanager?
>> Thanks,
>> Rosemarie
>
>-- 
>Chuck McKinnis
>Senior Systems Engineer
>Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
>IBM Business Partner
>IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: ehaaksma@capgemini.nl                             01-Sep-99 10:24:04
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:19
Subj: Re: OS/2 look alike Window Managers

From: Evert Haaksma <ehaaksma@capgemini.nl>

You can try to use fvwm95 and add fvwmOS2.
Look at http://borneo.gmd.de/~veit/os2/xf86pwm.html

Grtz,
Evert Haaksma

Robert Dohrenburg wrote:

> Hi,
> Does anybody know about any OS/2 look alike WMs for Linux?
>
> TIA
>
> Robert.



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From: sharonp@homemail.com                              01-Sep-99 09:23:13
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:19
Subj: Re: Help with Mindspring as an ISP

From: sharonp@homemail.com (Sharon Parks)

In message <eleS4DQ3N6dS-pn2-RYs9HMKL2IBU@tam-fl1-25.ix.netcom.com> -
rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)31 Aug 1999 23:42:34 GMT writes:
:>
:>On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:04:37, sharonp@homemail.com (Sharon Parks) wrote:
:>
:>> :>Anybody got tips on setting up a Mindspring account with DOIP?
:>
:>> :>I had a Netcom account and it always worked fine.  Now I'm setting up a
:>> :>Mindspring account for a friend on my old machine.
:> 
:>> I'm using Mindspring with all my same netcom settings.  There was no need
to
:>> change anything.  I use DOIP.
:> 
:>But now you can't get a Netcom account through Mindspring. It's a 
:>Mindspring account and uses a different DNS, etc.
:>
:>But if you had a Netcom account and it was bought out by Mindspring then
:>you can use all the same settings.  That's my situation.  My friend is
:>getting a *new* account and so it has to be a Mindspring account.
:>
:>BTW, there giving a nice kickback to both of us for her signing up as my
:>referral.
:>
:>                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com
:>


Try using .mindspring instead of .netcom for all servers, i.e. www.mindspring,
nntp.mindspring, etc.  The DNS to try is 199.182.120.1.  If all else fails,
call Customer Service, not Tech Support, and ask them for the DNS you should
use, and the server settings.

HTH, Sharon

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From: evsi@naverex.kiev.ua                              01-Sep-99 09:16:09
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:19
Subj: Re: Configuring BellAtlanticNet ADSL

From: evsi@naverex.kiev.ua (Sergey I. Yevtushenko)

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:24:36, "Nigel Clarke" 
<nospamnclarke@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

> :>:>Even though they say the netmask should be 255.255.255.0, I believe it
should be 
> 255.255.0.0. I don't know why..
> :>
> :>I received a message from Nigel Clarke who uses BellAtlantic.Net down
South and made this 
> discovery by comparing with his setup.  Thanks to both of you.  This leads
to a question --- what 
> does using subnet 255.255.0.0 rather than 255.255.255.0 affect (other than
letting my system 
> work<g>?

Try to run netstat -r and look at output. I guess default router is 
set to IP reachable only with
mask 255.255.0.0. Anyway, using such mask for large network simplifies
setup although introduces 
some drawbacks.

Regards,
	Sergey.

*--------------------------------------
ES@Home

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From: DCritel@ibm.net                                   01-Sep-99 07:41:28
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:19
Subj: Re: Phantom harddrive

From: Dave Critelli <DCritel@ibm.net>

You physically removed the drive and it _still_ shows up?  This is real
fishy.

What does your BIOS tell you at boot about the drives?
How old is you machine?
How old are the hard drives?
Did you reconfigure the jumpers (master / slave / dual) on the drives
after the pull?
Are you _sure_  you are looking at the pulled drive in the fdisk program
and not another partition on your primary drive?

Dave

"J.P. Pasnak" wrote:

> I removed an old harddrive from my system, but it is still showing up
> in FDISK.  I tried all combination of hardware detection (on next boot
> only, full, F1 and then full, etc).  I also tried deleting it with
> DFSee.  No luck.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> J.P. Pasnak
> Warped Systems
> ******************
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
> http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
> *******************

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From: pasnak@cableregina.com                            01-Sep-99 13:10:23
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:19
Subj: Re: Phantom harddrive

From: Linegod <pasnak@cableregina.com>

The BIOS does not show the old drive, the motherboard is circa '96
flash-updated to the latest AMIBIOS and the harddrives are '96 and '97.
All jumpers have been quadruple checked.  I am assuming that this
occured when I replaced my CD-ROM with a Mitsumi CD-R.  Flying in the
face of documentation, I attempted to continue with the same config
with the CD-R as I had with the CD-ROM (3rd harddrive as slave to the
CD-R).  After numerous errors, I removed the harddrive. I went some
time (probably 2 months) without noticing that FDISK still saw the
'phantom' harddrive.

And I am _sure_ that I am 'seeing' the phantom drive in FDISK (top of
the screen says DISK 1 2 3), and DFSee reports it as a physical drive,
but just returns errors when I attempt to do anything with it.

J.P. 'currently using A+ certificate as toilet paper' Pasnak


In article <37CD1104.9E8A7EF1@ibm.net>,
  Critelli@InsulatedWire.com wrote:
> You physically removed the drive and it _still_ shows up?  This is
real
> fishy.
>
> What does your BIOS tell you at boot about the drives?
> How old is you machine?
> How old are the hard drives?
> Did you reconfigure the jumpers (master / slave / dual) on the drives
> after the pull?
> Are you _sure_  you are looking at the pulled drive in the fdisk
program
> and not another partition on your primary drive?
>
> Dave
>
> "J.P. Pasnak" wrote:
>
> > I removed an old harddrive from my system, but it is still showing
up
> > in FDISK.  I tried all combination of hardware detection (on next
boot
> > only, full, F1 and then full, etc).  I also tried deleting it with
> > DFSee.  No luck.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > J.P. Pasnak
> > Warped Systems
> > ******************
> > http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
> > http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
> > *******************
>
>

--
"The pumps don't work, cuz the vandals took the handles"


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  01-Sep-99 07:31:28
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:19
Subj: Re: OS/2 on I-Series ThinkPad

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

My HONE link died when I was in Honduras for 3 months in the early part
of 1999.

Dale Erwin wrote:
> 
> mhammoc@ibm.net wrote:
> >
> > In <37CC81C6.91F246BE@us.iNoSPAMbm.com>, Timothy Sipples
<tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com> writes:
> > >Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> > >> I think you will find that the "i series" is the Aptiva of the Thinkpad
> > >> world.  Cheap, but no OS/2 drivers for anything that you really want to
> > >> do.  I would avoid it like the plague for OS/2 and keep waiting for the
> > >> real thing.
> > >> mhammoc@ibm.net wrote:
> > >> >   Am looking again at I-Series.  I assume the
> > >> > 'base' OS/2 will install and more-or-less run.
> > >> > Question is about 'add-on's such as video, audio,
> > >> > modem, etc.  A little checking shows that the
> > >> > IBM TP 570 uses the same videp adapter as the
> > >> > 1458/72, so that should be OK.  Don't really care
> > >> > a lot about audio.  So, what else is missing
> > >> > or would be a problem??  Could I drive the
> > >> > modem at, say, 33.8??  Will the CDROM/DVD
> > >> > work OK?  Power control may be a problem, but
> > >> > again, that's not a major issue.
> > >> >   Opinions??  Experiences??
> > >> >  Thanks
> > >> >    Mike
> > >
> > >At least one (and probably more) of the i series ThinkPads (in the 17xx
> > >series) is certified for OS/2 Warp.
> > >
> > >You might check the IBM PC Group support pages for the various ThinkPad
> > >models.  (See http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad to start.)  The 390
series
> > >is obviously a good choice, too.
> > >
> > >However, my favorite OS/2 Warp certified ThinkPad is the 600 series. 
VERY
> > >nice systems.  I also really like my ThinkPad 560Z (essentially a 600
> > >without the CD-ROM capability).
> > >
> > >--
> > >Timothy Sipples
> > >IBM Network Computing Software
> > >Chicago, Illinois
> > >Web: http://www.satdirect.com/aviation
> >
> > Yes, I tried finding a 1720 / 1721 with no luck...  discontinued and
> > none to be had.  I'd lova a 600 or such (570 looks good also), but
> > exceed my budget by about 50%.  My requirements are:
> >   300MHz or better, 64MB memory (could upgrade 32MB), 4+ GB hard drive,
> >   1024x768 display (usually 14").
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >    Looks like IBM night on the List...  I know Tim's background, but am
> >    still trying to remember where I've seen Chuck's name around.
> >       Mike  (retired a whole 2 months now)
> 
> Chuch used to be quite active on IBMLink/TalkLink.  Of course, maybe
> he still is.  I haven't been there in quite some time.
> --
> Dale Erwin
> 3624 Coral Gables Drive
> Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
> (214)893-8738

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           01-Sep-99 13:44:01
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:19
Subj: Re: Phantom harddrive

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

So what happens if you pull the power and data cable off 
the CD-R unit?

 It sounds like it's reporting itself as a hard drive.

Lorne Sunley

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:10:47, Linegod <pasnak@cableregina.com> wrote:

> The BIOS does not show the old drive, the motherboard is circa '96
> flash-updated to the latest AMIBIOS and the harddrives are '96 and '97.
> All jumpers have been quadruple checked.  I am assuming that this
> occured when I replaced my CD-ROM with a Mitsumi CD-R.  Flying in the
> face of documentation, I attempted to continue with the same config
> with the CD-R as I had with the CD-ROM (3rd harddrive as slave to the
> CD-R).  After numerous errors, I removed the harddrive. I went some
> time (probably 2 months) without noticing that FDISK still saw the
> 'phantom' harddrive.
> 
> And I am _sure_ that I am 'seeing' the phantom drive in FDISK (top of
> the screen says DISK 1 2 3), and DFSee reports it as a physical drive,
> but just returns errors when I attempt to do anything with it.
> 
> J.P. 'currently using A+ certificate as toilet paper' Pasnak
> 
> 
> In article <37CD1104.9E8A7EF1@ibm.net>,
>   Critelli@InsulatedWire.com wrote:
> > You physically removed the drive and it _still_ shows up?  This is
> real
> > fishy.
> >
> > What does your BIOS tell you at boot about the drives?
> > How old is you machine?
> > How old are the hard drives?
> > Did you reconfigure the jumpers (master / slave / dual) on the drives
> > after the pull?
> > Are you _sure_  you are looking at the pulled drive in the fdisk
> program
> > and not another partition on your primary drive?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "J.P. Pasnak" wrote:
> >
> > > I removed an old harddrive from my system, but it is still showing
> up
> > > in FDISK.  I tried all combination of hardware detection (on next
> boot
> > > only, full, F1 and then full, etc).  I also tried deleting it with
> > > DFSee.  No luck.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > J.P. Pasnak
> > > Warped Systems
> > > ******************
> > > http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
> > > http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
> > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
> > > *******************
> >
> >
> 
> --
> "The pumps don't work, cuz the vandals took the handles"
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.


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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             01-Sep-99 09:25:13
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:34:44 GMT, Mark Dodel wrote:

>It would be nice if the DDPak site stated that the driver only 
>supports the Intel and Via chipsets.   So if you have any connections 
>there, can you pass that on, so at least people won't waste time 
>trying to get it to work if their system isn't supported.
Seems like a sound idea. I've passed it along.


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From: saucedots@eagletcs.com                            01-Sep-99 09:47:10
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com>

Got a couple questions.
How does the "SET TZ=" work with OS/2?

I understand that other apps use that environment variable
and I've have not had to change the time on my system. So
how does OS/2 handle or do the change.

How can we force this to occur? 
We got a customer that wants to know how they can test
this change?

Please post or send any helpful ideas/suggestions.
Thanks.

-- 

                                      Tony,

******************************************************
| Tony Saucedo                                       |
| EAGLE Traffic Control Systems                      |
| Austin, Texas                                      |
|                                                    |
| E-mail: Tony.Saucedos@eagletcs.com                 |
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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             01-Sep-99 08:28:27
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: Phantom harddrive

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <7qj8kd$gdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 09/01/99 
   at 01:10 PM, Linegod <pasnak@cableregina.com> said:

>And I am _sure_ that I am 'seeing' the phantom drive in FDISK (top
>of the screen says DISK 1 2 3), and DFSee reports it as a physical
>drive, but just returns errors when I attempt to do anything with
>it.

This is probably not much help, but I have just seem something
similar. I had to replace my motherboard. As all my peripherals are
SCSI, I disabled the IDE ports on the new motherboard, or at least I
thought I did. When I booted up things were behaving very strangely,
and when I ran Partition Magic it showed three hard drives although
I have only two. After much worry, consternation, and scratching my
head, I finally solved the problem by changing my SCSI IRQ to the
one that the IDE would use (14) if it was activated (I previously
had my SCSI on 11). Once the system saw that IRQ 14 was for the SCSI
system and not an IDE drive, everything fell into place.


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             01-Sep-99 08:36:16
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: bstephan@redshift.com

I use TimeKeeper/2 to take care of this. It is available for $10
from BMT Micro. I am very pleased with it; however, I believe there
are also some free programs around for the looking.


In <37CD3C79.6433@eagletcs.com>, on 09/01/99 
   at 09:47 AM, Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com> said:

>Got a couple questions.
>How does the "SET TZ=" work with OS/2?

>I understand that other apps use that environment variable and I've
>have not had to change the time on my system. So how does OS/2
>handle or do the change.

>How can we force this to occur? 
>We got a customer that wants to know how they can test this change?

>Please post or send any helpful ideas/suggestions.
>Thanks.



-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: brth@firstclass.net                               01-Sep-99 11:41:12
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: "Burt Hemingway" <brth@firstclass.net>

Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com> wrote in message
news:LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-QNdFdp6yQsdx@agave.bitranch.com...

> Products have intelligence? You mean, someone perfected artificial
> intelligence and *didn't tell me*?!

X-----------------snip----------------------X

You are egoistic, isn't it?






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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        01-Sep-99 15:46:21
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:17:40 -0400, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> > Hah, try this - at the company where I was working a few months ago
> > (a client company, not my employers), the IS department did a big move
> > onto another floor.  When they were cleaning up their offices, you
wouldn't
> > believe some of the stuff they were chucking.  I picked up OS/2 Warp
Connect
> > blue spine out of a to-be-trashed-pile.  Even had all the extra CDs, ads,
> > warranty cards, etc - only thing missing was the User Manual, and I
already
> > have 2 copies, so...
> > 
> > I also recently picked up 2 copies of WordPerfect 5.2 for OS/2 in the same
> > way.  One of them still had the suggested retail price tag on it -
something
> > like $600 Cdn <shudder>...
> > 
> > (Two other copies of Warp 3 were given to me at other times, actually. 
I'm
> > thinking of starting a collection.)
> > 
> If I'm not mistaken, all you have found is the same as copyied, pirated
> software.  You did not get licenses for this software.  If the company
> is still using OS/2, those 2.1 copies probably had their licenses
> transferred with upgrades to later versions, and Wordperfect for OS/2
> was right where it belonged:  in the trash.

I think it's legitimate.  I have several reasons for believing this...

 - The user who trashed it was part of the platform testing team, and 
   that particular copy of OS/2 was in her name.  
   (I don't think the company ever used Warp Connect.)
 - The user now only has Win95 machines.
 - The company has a site license for Warp 4, so individual licenses
   wouldn't need to be upgraded even if it was a "company" copy (and
   not the user's) - I think. 
 - It still had the license card inside.  If it had been upgraded to
   another license, isn't it legally required to keep the license
   card and destroy the software?
 - The company is in the process of migrating to Win95 and MS Office.
 - Besides, I asked if I could take it, and was told "help yourself".

The other two copies were plain gifts, from individuals who had OS/2
but didn't use it anymore.

As for WP/2, well... I thought it was neat to have (even if it doesn't
seem to work all that well).

Alex Taylor
--
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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           01-Sep-99 15:47:17
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: Help with Mindspring as an ISP

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:21:20, rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) 
wrote:

> Anybody got tips on setting up a Mindspring account with DOIP?

http://help.mindspring.com/modules/00000/00005.htm

worked for me.

--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: cocke@ibm.net                                     01-Sep-99 12:09:23
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net>

On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:43:10 GMT, Joe Kovacs wrote:

>In <c1.2b8.2S0Tfd$0Fz@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>
>>The old fileswhich are replaced are stored in a directory with 
>>the archive bit set so you can't delete them 
>>straightforwardly, all 10 or 50 or so MB of them.  
>>
>>When you commit, the commit process brings all the syslevel 
>>entries up to date and takes off the archive bits on those 
>>files, so you can DEL C:\Archive\*.* 
>
>Correction.  It _doesn't take the archive bit off those files. 
>Now I don't know what the official thing to do is, to delete 
>those things after a successful commit.
>
>Are we supposed to run ATTRIB and DEL or what?
>
>
>Joe Kovacs
>Guelph Ontario Canada
>
>
cd \archive (or whatever)
attrib -r -s 
del *.*


BTW, the 'commit' facility in most recent CSF sets is broken - this is 
the only way to 'commit' to a service level since 1.38 or so.  It was 
documented in a readme that came with a CSF set - which one, I have no 
idea.  Note that I think it's just the commit button that's busted - 
response file commit may still work.  If you use this method to commit 
to a service level, the next time you install a fixpack, you'll have to 
go thru the process documented in the fixpack readme for "No files to 
service".  I've been doing it that way since fixpack 3 or so, no 
problems.

Easier than inserting a CD-ROM from MS into your Windows box and praying
it sees the hardware that you really have and nothing else...  (long, 
grim, story skipped)



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========================================================================
Member: DNRC            Watcher: Babylon 5              User: OS/2 Warp

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From: rlalla@stepnet.REMOVETHIS.de                      01-Sep-99 19:34:27
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: "Robert Lalla" <rlalla@stepnet.REMOVETHIS.de>

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:34:44 GMT, Mark Dodel wrote:

>So unless you have an Intel or Via chipset you are screwed in regards 
>to USB support under OS/2.  

You can buy an USB addon pci card containing the VIA VT83C572 chip
that should be OS/2 compatible (UHCI). 
But avoid addon cards having an OPTI chip (OHCI).

--
RL



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From: milindr@bellsouth.net                             01-Sep-99 17:40:12
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 17:47:20
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: milindr@bellsouth.net (Milind Rao)

> Although I loved ColorWorks, I'd never again review an SPG product. 
> I'd have no problem writing about an application from Innoval. They 
> treated their users as well as they could, which is more than one can 
> say for a majority of vendors.

I'll second all of the above.  PRM was a good product.  Whatever it 
id, it did well.  I used it for many years before moving to PMMail 
last year.  Can't complain.  I certainly got my money's worth.  Can't 
say the same at all about SPG.

Regards
Milind

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From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com                     01-Sep-99 12:11:07
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 19:58:09
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:34:30, rcmartin@netcom.com woke up with a head 
full of whiskey and wrote:

> Does anyone know if Win98SE will run
> under OS2 Bootmanager?
> Thanks,
> Rosemarie
> 

Yes, it will.  During the installation of Win9x, it will give you a 
warning, and then disable BootManager.  Once your installation is 
complete, boot to OS/2 using your bootdisks, and reset the BootManager
partition to active.  

I have a page at 
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/faqs/multiboot.html that may be 
of some assistance in setting up your system.

J.P. Pasnak
Warped Systems
******************
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
*******************

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From: sdenbes1@san.rr.com                               01-Sep-99 11:28:11
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 19:58:09
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: sdenbes1@san.rr.com (Steven C. Den Beste)

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:41:25 -0400, Burt Hemingway recycled some holes into
the following pattern:

>
>Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com> wrote in message
>news:LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-QNdFdp6yQsdx@agave.bitranch.com...
>
>> Products have intelligence? You mean, someone perfected artificial
>> intelligence and *didn't tell me*?!
>
>X-----------------snip----------------------X
>
>You are egoistic, isn't it?

Whoosh! RIGHT over your head.

Go turn up your "joke" detector sensitivity a few notches.

--------
Steven C. Den Beste    sdenbes1@san.rr.com
Home page: http://home.san.rr.com/denbeste

"We're just ordinary earthlings, not weirdos from another planet!"
              -- Calvin

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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              01-Sep-99 12:19:10
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 19:58:09
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> OS/2 is a power user's Operating System, and doesn't fall >victim easily to
getting slowed down by bad programming.
> 
You sure got that one right !  NT is the best of WIN, so far,
and if you're talking about major headaches, OS/2 is a stroll
in the park by comparison.  Just about anything I install into
NT has the potential to so badly destabilize the whole damn
mess -- beyond the capability of util.s like CONFIGSAFE and
CLEANSWEEP to reverse -- that I have to seriously reconsider
whether it's worth the risk.  You definitely don't ever want
to have to rebuild a whole NT partitition from scratch, or pay
to have it done for you !  Warp just runs and runs and runs.
I've had it going for a couple months between reboots.  Just try that
with NT sometime !  

<jf>

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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              01-Sep-99 12:28:05
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 19:58:09
Subj: Re: OS/2 training?

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

Esther Schindler wrote:
> 
> Siobhan, IBM has OS/2 training classes. To the best of my knowledge,
> they're the only ones left offering 'em.
> 
> --Esther
>   who used to teach the OS/2 classes for Learning Tree, Int'l

Esther,

VIAGRAFIX has a huge catalog of tutorial lesson videos and CD-
Roms.  Unfortunately, certain (mostly older or more special-
ized) titles never made it from the videos onto CD, OS/2 being
one of these.  Personally, I would find CDs far more convenient. 
However, I believe ViaGrafix has at least a couple
competitors, with a similar line of products.

Also, don't overlook the built-in Warp Tutorials, which seem
to cover the basics . . .  but probably not as well or as 
interactively as the dedicated instructional CDs.

<jf>

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From: madodel@ptdprolog.net                             01-Sep-99 19:52:02
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:10
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel)

I wasn't aware of that, thanks.  It won't help me with my laptop 
though, which is what got me started on all this, since I was 
considering that as a viable expansion format for that since it has 
limited expandability.  I honestly have no interest in USB for any of 
my desktops, at least for now.  

I will add this as a tip in the next VOICE Newsletter.

Mark

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:34:55, "Robert Lalla" 
<rlalla@stepnet.REMOVETHIS.de> wrote:

-)On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:34:44 GMT, Mark Dodel wrote:
-)
-)>So unless you have an Intel or Via chipset you are screwed in regards 
-)>to USB support under OS/2.  
-)
-)You can buy an USB addon pci card containing the VIA VT83C572 chip
-)that should be OS/2 compatible (UHCI). 
-)But avoid addon cards having an OPTI chip (OHCI).
-)
-)--
-)RL
-)
-)
-)


//---------------------------------------------------------
// From the Desk of: Mark Dodel, RN, BSN, MBA
//             Healthcare Computer Consultant
//                   madodel@ptdprolog.net
//    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel
//
//  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
//             http://www.os2voice.org/index.html
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From: snberk@ibm.net                                    01-Sep-99 10:25:02
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:10
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: "seth berk" <snberk@ibm.net>

On 31 Aug 1999 21:53:05 GMT, Esther Schindler wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:11:04, Murray Weismer <weismer@erols.com> 
>wrote:
>| As OS2 users, I guess we should be gracious to all who will throw us a
>| bone????
>
>As human beings, I think we should do our best to be gracious to 
>everybody.

Hear Hear

[snip snip snip]





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From: srd@x.mcmail.com                                  01-Sep-99 20:52:14
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:10
Subj: Printer RAM upgrade.

From: Steve Drewell <srd@x.mcmail.com>

I have an HP Laserjet 1100 which comes with 2MB RAM as standard. I'd like
to upgrade the RAM to 10MB or 18MB by adding an 8MB or 16MB dimm. My
question is this:

Is there any difference, apart from price, between a dimm used in a
Laserjet 1100 (and sold as a "printer ram upgrade") and a dimm used on a
standard PC motherboard (and sold as "normal" ram)?

Cheers,
Steve
-- 
Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
_____________________________________________________________
Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 21 processes with 127 threads.
Machine uptime is 5 days, 10 hours, 1 minute and 55 secs.
_____________________________________________________________


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From: derwin@airmail.net                                01-Sep-99 15:16:02
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:10
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

J. R. Fox wrote:
> 
> Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> 
> > OS/2 is a power user's Operating System, and doesn't fall victim
> > easily to getting slowed down by bad programming.
> >
> You sure got that one right !  NT is the best of WIN, so far,
> and if you're talking about major headaches, OS/2 is a stroll
> in the park by comparison.  Just about anything I install into
> NT has the potential to so badly destabilize the whole damn
> mess -- beyond the capability of util.s like CONFIGSAFE and
> CLEANSWEEP to reverse -- that I have to seriously reconsider
> whether it's worth the risk.  You definitely don't ever want
> to have to rebuild a whole NT partitition from scratch, or pay
> to have it done for you !  Warp just runs and runs and runs.
> I've had it going for a couple months between reboots.  Just try that
> with NT sometime !
> 
> <jf>

I'll add my concensus to that as well.  The only time I reboot
is after a power failure.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                01-Sep-99 15:30:00
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:11
Subj: Re: Printer RAM upgrade.

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Steve Drewell wrote:
> 
> I have an HP Laserjet 1100 which comes with 2MB RAM as standard. I'd like
> to upgrade the RAM to 10MB or 18MB by adding an 8MB or 16MB dimm. My
> question is this:
> 
> Is there any difference, apart from price, between a dimm used in a
> Laserjet 1100 (and sold as a "printer ram upgrade") and a dimm used on a
> standard PC motherboard (and sold as "normal" ram)?
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> --
> Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
> _____________________________________________________________
> Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 21 processes with 127 threads.
> Machine uptime is 5 days, 10 hours, 1 minute and 55 secs.
> _____________________________________________________________

I had the same question with my HP 4V.  Several of my friends
suggested that there was no difference, but HP insisted there
was--probably just for the sale, but I decided to take no chances
and bought the more expensive "printer memory."
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: p.engels@gmx.de                                   01-Sep-99 22:37:21
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:11
Subj: Re: Printer RAM upgrade.

From: "Peter Engels" <p.engels@gmx.de>

On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:52:28 +0100, Steve Drewell wrote:

>I have an HP Laserjet 1100 which comes with 2MB RAM as standard. I'd like
>to upgrade the RAM to 10MB or 18MB by adding an 8MB or 16MB dimm. My
>question is this:
>
>Is there any difference, apart from price, between a dimm used in a
>Laserjet 1100 (and sold as a "printer ram upgrade") and a dimm used on a
>standard PC motherboard (and sold as "normal" ram)?
>
maybe there is one, but I have added 2x4MB simple PC-RAM to my Laserjet 4 and
I have no problems

-- 
MfG / Regards

	Peter Engels

This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 0h 10m 48s 554ms


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               01-Sep-99 21:18:17
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:11
Subj: Re: OS/2 training?

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

It depends on the level of information you want, I suppose. I've 
rarely been impressed with a video-based training class, and although 
I've used/reviewed several CD-based classes I've encountered few that 
I thought I'd really _finish_. (The best of those, by the way, was a 
Deitel & Deitel class in Java programming, largely because it 
interacted with the book on the same topic.)

However, when I taught Learning Tree classes, I spent 4 days, 8 hours 
a day, talking about the guts of OS/2, including hands-on exercises 
that ensured that the students really applied what I taught. One can 
impart a _lot_ more information, that way. (Of course, the class cost 
$2000+. The videos and CDs are considerably cheaper.)

--Esther

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:28:11, "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net> wrote:

| Esther Schindler wrote:
| > 
| > Siobhan, IBM has OS/2 training classes. To the best of my knowledge,
| > they're the only ones left offering 'em.
| > 
| > --Esther
| >   who used to teach the OS/2 classes for Learning Tree, Int'l
| 
| Esther,
| 
| VIAGRAFIX has a huge catalog of tutorial lesson videos and CD-
| Roms.  Unfortunately, certain (mostly older or more special-
| ized) titles never made it from the videos onto CD, OS/2 being
| one of these.  Personally, I would find CDs far more convenient. 
| However, I believe ViaGrafix has at least a couple
| competitors, with a similar line of products.
| 
| Also, don't overlook the built-in Warp Tutorials, which seem
| to cover the basics . . .  but probably not as well or as 
| interactively as the dedicated instructional CDs.
| 
| <jf>
| 


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             01-Sep-99 21:30:09
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:11
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:53:42, Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net> wrote:

> Works for me.  However, when you intall Win98, it will detect Boot
> Manager and tell you it won't work anymore (how big an ego can you
> have).  After the install,  boot to OS/2 floppies, fdisk, and set boot
> manager back up.

Which reminds me of a strange problem that I'm having, Warp 3, FP40.

I took Linux of a logical partition, say the equivalent to logical drive
H and had to edit my config.sys file for OS/2 on logical drive I (which
became J as Linux partitions don't get a drive letter in OS/2 FDISK).

Then I remade the ini files with the ini.rc thing.

Well it all works fine, except OS/2 FDISK gives me really strange
reports, like that the partition table is corrupt, there are no
bootable drives, some of the partitions aren't formatted, Boot manager
is at the wrong location, so on.  However, if I boot with the utility
disks everything is as it should be.  I even went to the trouble of
deleting all the partitions, remaking and resizing them.  I then
restored everything from tape and still get the same output from FDISK.
I thought well maybe the FDISK file had become corrupted and copied the
one with the good output over it. Still getting the same thing.


Any ideas???

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: weismer@erols.com                                 01-Sep-99 17:35:13
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:11
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Murray Weismer <weismer@erols.com>

<weismer@erols.com>
> wrote:
> | As OS2 users, I guess we should be gracious to all who will throw us a
> | bone????
> 
> As human beings, I think we should do our best to be gracious to
> everybody.
> 

I agree 100%



> Murray, perhaps you've been lucky enough to succeed at everything you
> tried. Perhaps, if you failed at your goals, it was only your own life
> that was affected. Some of us aren't this lucky.
> The OS/2 community has had experience with one ISV, SPG, who actively
> abandoned the community, after making implied promises of a new
> product. Other OS/2 ISVs have quietly stopped updating their
> applications, and turned their attention to more remunerative
> platforms. Want a copy of Skyscraper? Lantastic for OS/2? the IBM OS/2
> Funpak? Sorry, you're out of luck. 


Non of the above products asked for money up front for an undeveloped
product. While I admire Dan for many of the positions that he has taken
in the past, I have had a bit of difficulty with his LONG lack of
response to the List that he sponsored. It almost seems like this "gift"
(I think $40, if I recall correctly) was an attempt to repair the PR
damage to himself and Innoval. 

I do appreciate this recent break in silence, and his offering to the
OS2 community, and perhaps he should be applauded for it. As you have
said in different words, he could have done what the author of CuSeeMe
did.

It just seems that collectively, we OS2 users are accepting a second
class status, too often accepting the scraps cast off from the Microsoft
world, instead of demanding quality product and service, and rewarding
those who still do provide it.

Dan Porter had the guts to tell
> people what the company was doing, and why, even if the news wasn't
> what you wanted to hear. And he make the current versions available
> for free, with no strings attached.
-- 
___________________________________________________________
Home of DreckBak OS/2 Disk Backup Utility Suite
http://weismer.virtualave.net/DreckBak.html
_____PLEASE DO BACKUP YOUR DISKS_________________________
IBM BESTTeam - Team OS/2	
RPS.BBS  Phila. Pa (215)624-8960 Adult, Bible, and OS2 related
Hot_Asian_Food: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/9001
Fix your Plumbing: http://reedps.virtualave.net
MEMBER of P.A.C.S. OS/2-JAVA S.I.G.: http://www.phillyos2.org
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From: ofarrwrk@iol.ie                                   01-Sep-99 21:37:08
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:11
Subj: Re: Printer RAM upgrade.

From: ofarrwrk@iol.ie (Rory O'Farrell)

In article <cratryftzkqr.fhevau1@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, "Peter Engels"
<p.engels@gmx.de> wrote:
 
 > maybe there is one, but I have added 2x4MB simple PC-RAM to my Laserjet 4
and
 > I have no problems
 > 
There is a difference. Printer RAM has "Presence detect" jumpers on some pins, 

which tell printer the size and speed of the RAM module.  I have seen 
information published on just what these settings are, but haven't a URL to 
hand.  I had some 8MB SIMMs, two worked in Kyocera FS1600+, the other two 
didn't showing up as 1MB units instead of 8MB units.

--
 Rory O'Farrell    Email: ofarrwrk@iol.ie
 Tinode, Blessington, Co Wicklow, Ireland
 Tel +353 1 4582532    Fax +353 1 4582051

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From: gfoulstone@hotmail.com                            01-Sep-99 22:46:20
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 21:47:11
Subj: OS/2 Warp v3

From: "Geoff Foulstone" <gfoulstone@hotmail.com>

Hello.
I've just purchased v3 Warp from a car boot sale.
I am a Windows user and do not know very much about warp.
Could someone please help me install this, I have a 6Gig HD, what do I have
to do to get Warp to see my drive?
Also is there a generic device driver for for all CD rom drives or do I have
to get the specific one for my CD? (I have the OS on floppies)
I wouls appreciate help, either by this group or by email to me personally.
Thanks

Geoff


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From: saucedots@eagletcs.com                            01-Sep-99 17:15:29
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 04:17:19
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com>

bstephan@redshift.com wrote:
> 
> I use TimeKeeper/2 to take care of this. It is available for $10
> from BMT Micro. I am very pleased with it; however, I believe there
> are also some free programs around for the looking.
> 
> In <37CD3C79.6433@eagletcs.com>, on 09/01/99
>    at 09:47 AM, Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com> said:
> 
> >Got a couple questions.
> >How does the "SET TZ=" work with OS/2?
> 
> >I understand that other apps use that environment variable and I've
> >have not had to change the time on my system. So how does OS/2
> >handle or do the change.
> 
> >How can we force this to occur?
> >We got a customer that wants to know how they can test this change?
> 
> >Please post or send any helpful ideas/suggestions.
> >Thanks.
> 
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
>   Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
>    http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
> -----------------------------------------------------------

-- 

Ok.
But, how can I force OS/2 to change the daylight
savings time w/o Timekeeper/s?
 In other words this Fall we "fall"an hour and next 
Spring we move up an hour, I need to simulate this process.

Thanks.

                                      Tony,

******************************************************
| Tony Saucedo                                       |
| EAGLE Traffic Control Systems                      |
| Austin, Texas                                      |
|                                                    |
| E-mail: Tony.Saucedos@eagletcs.com                 |
|                                                    |
| For E-mail Reply make the id singular (- the s)    |
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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               01-Sep-99 10:43:12
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 04:17:19
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: bv <bvermo@powertech.no>

John Hong wrote:

> Stefan A. Deutscher (stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr) wrote:
>
> : >     The only thing worthwhile in getting OS/2 2.x right now is for
> : >the excellent manuals.
>
> : And a platform to test whether a code you've built _really_ still runs
> : on OS/2 2.x. I recall someone here searching for a copy of 2.1 a while
> : back for that reason. Stefan
>
>         No real purpose in that anymore, IMO, since it isn't going to be
made
> Y2K compliant.

For most purposes that is not going to be a real problem. Even 1.3 works quite
well "next year" (simulated) with only a couple cosmetic errors.


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From: timlee@halcyon.com                                01-Sep-99 15:46:07
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 04:17:19
Subj: Re: Printer RAM upgrade.

From: timlee@halcyon.com (Prov Mgr.)

	It's to my understanding that PC type dimms are 168 pin, whereas
HP laser type dimms are 100 pin. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

--tim

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From: cpeebles@netidea.com                              01-Sep-99 16:12:05
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 04:17:19
Subj: JAVA help

From: Clinton <cpeebles@netidea.com>

I know this has been asked before, probably by me as well, but again, I
can't goto any web page with java on it.  I'm running Netscape 2.02 and
java 1.1.8.  If I goto a page with java, Netscape freezes solid and the
only way to recover is Ctrl,Alt,Del.  Here is a copy of my config.sys
file, I bet the problem is in there, but I can't find it..

SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1
IFS=E:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:1024 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:EF
PROTSHELL=E:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
SET USER_INI=E:\OS2\OS2.INI
SET SYSTEM_INI=E:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI
SET OS2_SHELL=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE
SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,CONNECTIONS,WARPCENTER
SET RUNWORKPLACE=E:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
SET COMSPEC=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE
REM Do not insert a current directory path (".") entry before the
NETSCAPE\JAVA11  entry.
LIBPATH=E:\NETSCAPE\JAVA11;E:\NETSCAPE;.;E:\OS2\DLL;E:\IBMI18N\DLL;E:\MPTN\DLL;
E:\IBMCOM\DLL;E:\OS2\MDOS;E:\;E:\OS2\APPS\DLL;E:\JAVA11\DLL;E:\MMOS2\DLL;E:\IBM
INST;e:\tcpip\dll;e:\tcpip\pcomos2;e:\tcpip\bin;e:\emx\dll;
SET
PATH=E:\NETSCAPE;E:\MPTN\BIN;E:\IBMCOM;E:\OS2;E:\OS2\SYSTEM;E:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;
E:\OS2\INSTALL;E:\;E:\OS2\MDOS;E:\OS2\APPS;E:\JAVA11\BIN;E:\MMOS2;e:\tcpip\bin;
e:\tcpip\pcomos2;e:\pkzip;e:\emx\bin;
SET
DPATH=E:\MPTN;E:\IBMCOM;E:\OS2;E:\OS2\SYSTEM;E:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;E:\OS2\INSTALL;
E:\;E:\OS2\BITMAP;E:\OS2\MDOS;E:\OS2\APPS;E:\MMOS2;E:\MMOS2\INSTALL;E:\IBMINST;
E:\TCPIP\PCOMOS2;
SET PROMPT=$i[$p]
SET HELP=E:\NETSCAPE;E:\MPTN;E:\OS2\HELP;E:\MMOS2\HELP;e:\tcpip\help;
SET GLOSSARY=E:\OS2\HELP\GLOSS;
SET IPF_KEYS=SBCS
PRIORITY_DISK_IO=YES
FILES=20
BASEDEV=IBMKBD.SYS
REM DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\LANMSGDD.OS2 /I:E:\IBMCOM /S
DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\PROTMAN.OS2 /I:E:\IBMCOM
DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\TESTCFG.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\DOS.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\PMDD.SYS
BUFFERS=90
Device=E:\OS2\EASY.Sys /B TYPE=EASYIO,IRQ=12
SET RestartObjects=StartupFoldersOnly
SET KILLFEATUREENABLED=On
IOPL=YES
DISKCACHE=D,LW
MAXWAIT=3
MEMMAN=SWAP,PROTECT
SWAPPATH=E:\OS2\SYSTEM 2048 2048
BREAK=OFF
THREADS=1024
PRINTMONBUFSIZE=134,134,134
COUNTRY=001,E:\OS2\SYSTEM\COUNTRY.SYS
SET KEYS=ON
SET BOOKSHELF=E:\OS2\BOOK;E:\MMOS2;e:\tcpip\help;
SET
SOMIR=E:\OS2\ETC\SOM.IR;E:\OS2\ETC\WPSH.IR;E:\OS2\ETC\WPDSERV.IR;E:\OS2\ETC\REX
X.IR
SET SOMDDIR=E:\OS2\ETC\DSOM
SET ULSPATH=E:\LANGUAGE;
SET LOCPATH=E:\IBMI18N\LOCALE;E:\LANGUAGE\LOCALE;
REM SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512;D:\DELETE,512;E:\DELETE,512;G:\DELETE,512;
BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS
BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD
BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD
BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD
BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT
BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
SET EPMPATH=E:\OS2\APPS;
PROTECTONLY=NO
SHELL=E:\OS2\MDOS\COMMAND.COM E:\OS2\MDOS
FCBS=16,8
RMSIZE=640
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VEMM.SYS
DOS=LOW,NOUMB
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VXMS.SYS /UMB
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VDPMI.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VDPX.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VWIN.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VW32S.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\APM.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VAPM.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q
IFS=E:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS /Q
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VCDROM.SYS
BASEDEV=IBMIDECD.FLT
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\POINTDD.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\MOUSE.SYS SERIAL=COM1
DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\COM.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS
SET LANG=EN_US
SET TZ=pst8pdt
CODEPAGE=437,850
DEVINFO=KBD,US,E:\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP
DEVINFO=SCR,VGA,E:\OS2\BOOT\VIOTBL.DCP
SET VIDEO_DEVICES=VIO_MGA
SET VIO_VGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA)
SET DMIPATH=E:\DMISL\BIN
RUN=E:\OS2\SMSTART.EXE
SET
CLASSPATH=E:\NETSCAPE\JAVA11\JEMPCL10.ZIP;E:\NETSCAPE\njclass.zip;.\.;E:\JAVA11
\LIB\SecMa.jar;
DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\ES1688DD.SYS /B:220 /D:1 /I:5 /C:4 /N:ES16881$
SET MMBASE=E:\MMOS2;
SET DSPPATH=E:\MMOS2\DSP;
SET NCDEBUG=4000
RUN=E:\MMOS2\MIDIDMON.EXE
DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\SSMDD.SYS
DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\R0STUB.SYS
DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\MIDI.SYS
DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\VCSHDD.SYS
RUN=E:\MMOS2\QRYMMCD.EXE
REM CALL=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBIND.EXE
REM RUN=E:\IBMCOM\LANMSGEX.EXE
SET NLSPATH=E:\MPTN\MSG\NLS\%N;e:\tcpip\msg\enus850\%N;
SET ETC=E:\MPTN\ETC
DEVICE=E:\MPTN\PROTOCOL\SOCKETS.SYS
REM DEVICE=E:\MPTN\PROTOCOL\AFOS2.SYS
DEVICE=E:\MPTN\PROTOCOL\AFINET.SYS
REM DEVICE=E:\MPTN\PROTOCOL\IFNDIS.SYS
RUN=E:\MPTN\BIN\CNTRL.EXE
REM CALL=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE /Q /C E:\MPTN\BIN\MPTSTART.CMD >NUL
REM DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\MACS\NULLNDIS.OS2
SET I18NDIR=E:\IBMI18N
SET TMP=e:\tcpip\tmp
DEVICE=e:\tcpip\bin\vdostcp.vdd
DEVICE=e:\tcpip\bin\vdostcp.sys
RUN=e:\tcpip\bin\VDOSCTL.EXE
DEVICE=E:\MGA\OS2\KMGAX64.SYS
SET MGA=E:\MGA\OS2
SET VIO_MGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA,BMGAX64)
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VVGA.SYS
DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VMGAX64.SYS
BASEDEV=TIMER0.SYS
DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\VAUDDRV.SYS ES16881$
DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\WCAST.SYS /T=WCAST   /F='E:\MMOS2\WCAST 1.INI' /N=1
DEVICE=E:\WIPEOUT2\WIPEDD.SYS
RUN=E:\WIPEOUT2\WIPEBOOT.EXE


-- 
 Kill the MAI
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Clinton Peebles  VE7KNL  DN19ie
Salmo, B.C. Canada
E-Mail: cpeebles@netidea.com

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      02-Sep-99 01:17:20
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 04:17:19
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

J. R. Fox [EarthLink Network, Inc.] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ in the park by comparison.  Just about anything I install into
¯ NT has the potential to so badly destabilize the whole damn
¯ mess -- beyond the capability of util.s like CONFIGSAFE and
¯ CLEANSWEEP to reverse -- that I have to seriously reconsider

Which application was that (I'm very curious)?

Have never had *any* application hang any of my NT systems (has happened under
OS/2 for me), and no, I have never used or needed any such utility.

¯ whether it's worth the risk.  You definitely don't ever want
¯ to have to rebuild a whole NT partitition from scratch, or pay
¯ to have it done for you !  Warp just runs and runs and runs.

I know have some new machines (less than 2 years old), but also my older 486
machine I had for over 4 years without a single reinstall needed (only
upgraded, started out with NT 3.5 and continued with 3.51 up to NT 4.0).

¯ I've had it going for a couple months between reboots.  Just try that
¯ with NT sometime !  

Years with my machines if you talk _unplanned_ reboot (unfortunately changing
hardware, device drivers, some network settings and even some applications
needs to reboot my machine as I work as an consultant and tries a lot of
things on them).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E R
K
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n       http://zap.to/kw

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From: tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk                            02-Sep-99 00:24:12
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:34:29
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: Tim Timmins <tim.timmins@bcs.org.uk>

Get Netscape.

Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

> In <37C8BBE3.90229050@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>
writes:
> >Baden Kudrenecky wrote:
>
> >the second message from Dan Porter regarding the  "J Street Mailer
> >Initiative".  Warp City has been running exclusive JSM information, files
> >and upgrades offered by Samatra Software (Paul vanKeep and now
> >Mike Bowler) to Warp City members, many of whom use JSM.  Dan
> >may have submitted it to us (Warp City) because he feels confident
> >we will report his feelings, public statements and support of the
> >the newly created JSM Initiative.  InnoVal has every right on earth
> >to be proud as punch of JSM.  It is the finest 100% Java emailer
> >program on the market today.  Emerald Mail, MailPuccini and the
> >other entries have yet to equal the quality and features of JSM.
> >
> >Paul vanKeep and Mike Bowler have stepped forward to devote
> >their personal time and extraordinary Java programming skills
> >to ensure J Street Mailer stays 'out front' in the Java Emailer
> >category.  They have released a flurry of upgrades over the
> >last few weeks and are improving JSM with each release.  Another
> >release is expected any day now (PVK8).  A long list of new features
> >and bug fixes have been released.  Paul and Mike intend on improving
> >the quality of JSM beyond its current high quality state.  Their time,
> >efforts and exemplary work have all been offered for free because of
> >their admiration for the fine J Street Mailer.  JSM runs on Linux,
> >Windows95/98/NT, Mac and especially well on OS/2.   One program
> >that runs under all operating systems.  It is an amazing piece of
> >work created by InnoVal.
>
>    Where can obtain the JStreet updates, as there was not on
> Innoval's site, even before they ditched everything?
>
>    I am currently looking for a new mail program to replace
> UltiMail, and I am testing PMMail, JStreet, and now Post Road,
> and the only program that even comes close to my acceptability,
> is JStreet, however, it's memory footprint is huge, and that may
> preclude me from using it, and besides, I would like to actually
> support native OS/2 software.
>
> baden
>
> baden@unixg.ubc.ca
> http://baden.nu/
> OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             01-Sep-99 16:23:21
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:34:29
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <37CDA59E.73F7@eagletcs.com>, on 09/01/99 
   at 05:15 PM, Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com> said:

>But, how can I force OS/2 to change the daylight
>savings time w/o Timekeeper/s?

To my knowledge it is not possible without a third party utility,
but I might be wrong on that because I have never tried it. Perhaps
someone else can speak to it.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  01-Sep-99 17:58:10
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

I have the shareware package TimeKeeper/2 and another package called
DSTS.  However, if you go to Hobbes and find Time868, you may have what
you want for nothing.  Time868 includes a little timezone utility that
produces a correct value for SET TZ= including the dates and times to do
the switch and how much to change it.  It is not automatic, but it
produces a string that you can copy and insert to config.sys.

Tony Saucedo wrote:
> 
> Got a couple questions.
> How does the "SET TZ=" work with OS/2?
> 
> I understand that other apps use that environment variable
> and I've have not had to change the time on my system. So
> how does OS/2 handle or do the change.
> 
> How can we force this to occur?
> We got a customer that wants to know how they can test
> this change?
> 
> Please post or send any helpful ideas/suggestions.
> Thanks.
> 
> --
> 
>                                       Tony,
> 
> ******************************************************
> | Tony Saucedo                                       |
> | EAGLE Traffic Control Systems                      |
> | Austin, Texas                                      |
> |                                                    |
> | E-mail: Tony.Saucedos@eagletcs.com                 |
> |                                                    |
> | For E-mail Reply make the id singular (- the s)    |
> ******************************************************

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: dwinters@redrose.net                              01-Sep-99 20:29:08
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: ORB drive help

From: Dale Winters <dwinters@redrose.net>

Anybody know how to get Warp v4 to recognize and run an ORB drive. The
co. puts out win98
drivers but they are still working on Warp drivers. I looked at the IBM
site for new drivers but
couldnt find anything. If somebody got one working under Warp Id sure
appreciate knowing
how !  Thanks,Dale

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From: jbrush@aros.net                                   01-Sep-99 17:35:22
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: Help with Mindspring as an ISP

From: jbrush@aros.net

te:

>> Anybody got tips on setting up a Mindspring account with DOIP?

Only that I spent an awfully long amount of time wrestling with it untill
I realized that the username is bsmith@ mindspring.com and not just plain
old bsmith.

I know I was pissed to see such a stupid configuration, but other than
that, I had no problems, other than a slow PPP connection so I ditched it.

John

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From: bengjoha@online.no                                01-Sep-99 11:08:06
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: Jaz drive as "Big Floppy"?

From: Bengt Johansen <bengjoha@online.no>


Stan Goodman wrote:
> 
> Many thanks, John. Yes, this does work, but it is too sweeping a move,
> because it deprives me of error messages that I would like to see. For
> example, I would no longer get the warning at boot time that not all the
> machines are actually present on the LAN.
> 
> Is it possible that there is no way I can convince the Jaz itself that it
> is OK for it to be mediumless when the machine boots?
> 
I've just made a test with my 2Gb JAZ attached to an Adaptec AHA-2940UW,
and 
the OS is happy as ever.. (OS/2 Warp 4 FP 11)

The only thing i can't do, is to format the d#Ï% thing, because the
Tools 
disk is damaged, and the DL from Iomega requeres the d#Ï% tools to
install.

-- 
Regards
	Bengt...

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From: ctompset@7cities.net                              01-Sep-99 19:28:11
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: ORB drive help

From: "Clark Tompsett" <ctompset@7cities.net>

IBM has posted new ide drivers and there was a post about the danis drivers
working with the atapi ORB drive.

Clark

On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:29:16 -0400, Dale Winters wrote:

:>Anybody know how to get Warp v4 to recognize and run an ORB drive. The
:>co. puts out win98
:>drivers but they are still working on Warp drivers. I looked at the IBM
:>site for new drivers but
:>couldnt find anything. If somebody got one working under Warp Id sure
:>appreciate knowing
:>how !  Thanks,Dale
:>



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From: derwin@airmail.net                                01-Sep-99 20:59:20
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: JAVA help

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Clinton wrote:
> 
> I know this has been asked before, probably by me as well, but again, I
> can't goto any web page with java on it.  I'm running Netscape 2.02 and
> java 1.1.8.  If I goto a page with java, Netscape freezes solid and the
> only way to recover is Ctrl,Alt,Del.  Here is a copy of my config.sys
> file, I bet the problem is in there, but I can't find it..
> 
> SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1
> IFS=E:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:1024 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:EF
> PROTSHELL=E:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
> SET USER_INI=E:\OS2\OS2.INI
> SET SYSTEM_INI=E:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI
> SET OS2_SHELL=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE
> SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,CONNECTIONS,WARPCENTER
> SET RUNWORKPLACE=E:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
> SET COMSPEC=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE
> REM Do not insert a current directory path (".") entry before the
> NETSCAPE\JAVA11  entry.
>
LIBPATH=E:\NETSCAPE\JAVA11;E:\NETSCAPE;.;E:\OS2\DLL;E:\IBMI18N\DLL;E:\MPTN\DLL;
E:\IBMCOM\DLL;E:\OS2\MDOS;E:\;E:\OS2\APPS\DLL;E:\JAVA11\DLL;E:\MMOS2\DLL;E:\IBM
INST;e:\tcpip\dll;e:\tcpip\pcomos2;e:\tcpip\bin;e:\emx\dll;
> SET
>
PATH=E:\NETSCAPE;E:\MPTN\BIN;E:\IBMCOM;E:\OS2;E:\OS2\SYSTEM;E:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;
E:\OS2\INSTALL;E:\;E:\OS2\MDOS;E:\OS2\APPS;E:\JAVA11\BIN;E:\MMOS2;e:\tcpip\bin;
e:\tcpip\pcomos2;e:\pkzip;e:\emx\bin;
> SET
>
DPATH=E:\MPTN;E:\IBMCOM;E:\OS2;E:\OS2\SYSTEM;E:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;E:\OS2\INSTALL;
E:\;E:\OS2\BITMAP;E:\OS2\MDOS;E:\OS2\APPS;E:\MMOS2;E:\MMOS2\INSTALL;E:\IBMINST;
E:\TCPIP\PCOMOS2;
> SET PROMPT=$i[$p]
> SET HELP=E:\NETSCAPE;E:\MPTN;E:\OS2\HELP;E:\MMOS2\HELP;e:\tcpip\help;
> SET GLOSSARY=E:\OS2\HELP\GLOSS;
> SET IPF_KEYS=SBCS
> PRIORITY_DISK_IO=YES
> FILES=20
> BASEDEV=IBMKBD.SYS
> REM DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\LANMSGDD.OS2 /I:E:\IBMCOM /S
> DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\PROTMAN.OS2 /I:E:\IBMCOM
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\TESTCFG.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\DOS.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\PMDD.SYS
> BUFFERS=90
> Device=E:\OS2\EASY.Sys /B TYPE=EASYIO,IRQ=12
> SET RestartObjects=StartupFoldersOnly
> SET KILLFEATUREENABLED=On
> IOPL=YES
> DISKCACHE=D,LW
> MAXWAIT=3
> MEMMAN=SWAP,PROTECT
> SWAPPATH=E:\OS2\SYSTEM 2048 2048
> BREAK=OFF
> THREADS=1024
> PRINTMONBUFSIZE=134,134,134
> COUNTRY=001,E:\OS2\SYSTEM\COUNTRY.SYS
> SET KEYS=ON
> SET BOOKSHELF=E:\OS2\BOOK;E:\MMOS2;e:\tcpip\help;
> SET
>
SOMIR=E:\OS2\ETC\SOM.IR;E:\OS2\ETC\WPSH.IR;E:\OS2\ETC\WPDSERV.IR;E:\OS2\ETC\REX
X.IR
> SET SOMDDIR=E:\OS2\ETC\DSOM
> SET ULSPATH=E:\LANGUAGE;
> SET LOCPATH=E:\IBMI18N\LOCALE;E:\LANGUAGE\LOCALE;
> REM SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512;D:\DELETE,512;E:\DELETE,512;G:\DELETE,512;
> BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS
> BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD
> BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD
> BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD
> BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT
> BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
> SET EPMPATH=E:\OS2\APPS;
> PROTECTONLY=NO
> SHELL=E:\OS2\MDOS\COMMAND.COM E:\OS2\MDOS
> FCBS=16,8
> RMSIZE=640
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VEMM.SYS
> DOS=LOW,NOUMB
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VXMS.SYS /UMB
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VDPMI.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VDPX.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VWIN.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VW32S.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\APM.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VAPM.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q
> IFS=E:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS /Q
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VCDROM.SYS
> BASEDEV=IBMIDECD.FLT
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\POINTDD.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\MOUSE.SYS SERIAL=COM1
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\COM.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS
> SET LANG=EN_US
> SET TZ=pst8pdt
> CODEPAGE=437,850
> DEVINFO=KBD,US,E:\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP
> DEVINFO=SCR,VGA,E:\OS2\BOOT\VIOTBL.DCP
> SET VIDEO_DEVICES=VIO_MGA
> SET VIO_VGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA)
> SET DMIPATH=E:\DMISL\BIN
> RUN=E:\OS2\SMSTART.EXE
> SET
>
CLASSPATH=E:\NETSCAPE\JAVA11\JEMPCL10.ZIP;E:\NETSCAPE\njclass.zip;.\.;E:\JAVA11
\LIB\SecMa.jar;
> DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\ES1688DD.SYS /B:220 /D:1 /I:5 /C:4 /N:ES16881$
> SET MMBASE=E:\MMOS2;
> SET DSPPATH=E:\MMOS2\DSP;
> SET NCDEBUG=4000
> RUN=E:\MMOS2\MIDIDMON.EXE
> DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\SSMDD.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\R0STUB.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\MIDI.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\VCSHDD.SYS
> RUN=E:\MMOS2\QRYMMCD.EXE
> REM CALL=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBIND.EXE
> REM RUN=E:\IBMCOM\LANMSGEX.EXE
> SET NLSPATH=E:\MPTN\MSG\NLS\%N;e:\tcpip\msg\enus850\%N;
> SET ETC=E:\MPTN\ETC
> DEVICE=E:\MPTN\PROTOCOL\SOCKETS.SYS
> REM DEVICE=E:\MPTN\PROTOCOL\AFOS2.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\MPTN\PROTOCOL\AFINET.SYS
> REM DEVICE=E:\MPTN\PROTOCOL\IFNDIS.SYS
> RUN=E:\MPTN\BIN\CNTRL.EXE
> REM CALL=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE /Q /C E:\MPTN\BIN\MPTSTART.CMD >NUL
> REM DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\MACS\NULLNDIS.OS2
> SET I18NDIR=E:\IBMI18N
> SET TMP=e:\tcpip\tmp
> DEVICE=e:\tcpip\bin\vdostcp.vdd
> DEVICE=e:\tcpip\bin\vdostcp.sys
> RUN=e:\tcpip\bin\VDOSCTL.EXE
> DEVICE=E:\MGA\OS2\KMGAX64.SYS
> SET MGA=E:\MGA\OS2
> SET VIO_MGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA,BMGAX64)
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VVGA.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\OS2\MDOS\VMGAX64.SYS
> BASEDEV=TIMER0.SYS
> DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\VAUDDRV.SYS ES16881$
> DEVICE=E:\MMOS2\WCAST.SYS /T=WCAST   /F='E:\MMOS2\WCAST 1.INI' /N=1
> DEVICE=E:\WIPEOUT2\WIPEDD.SYS
> RUN=E:\WIPEOUT2\WIPEBOOT.EXE
> 
> --
>  Kill the MAI
> ---
> Remove _nospam_ to reply
> 
> Clinton Peebles  VE7KNL  DN19ie
> Salmo, B.C. Canada
> E-Mail: cpeebles@netidea.com

I've had some problems with this as well.  I will watch this thread.
If someone answers this for you privately, would you be kind enough
to post it here or forward it to me?
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: stantowianski@home.com                            02-Sep-99 02:00:04
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | )  do text only?

From: Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>

From a user that just emailed I received the answer.
This seems to have worked for me.  The _setmode did not, but
freopen() does.
----------------------
I owe you an apology.  First, an explanation - I set stdin and stdout to
binary mode all the time - using the emx compiler. In that environment
it's _fsetmode() that does it.

I haven't used C/Set in ages - but I've done this before, and only by
reading the docs, too.

The following sets stdin and stdout to binary mode for C/set.  Go read the
C lib docs to find out why.

freopen("","rb",stdin);
freopen("","wb",stdout);

Stan Towianski wrote:

> I am using IBM's C/C++ 2.01 (?) compiler.  I am writing in C.
> These are all my fopen stmt.s:
>             else if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "rb") ) != NULL )
>         else if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "rb") ) != NULL )
>         if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "ab") ) == NULL )
>         if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "wb") ) == NULL )
>             else if ( ( in = fopen( newname, "rb") ) == NULL )
>         else if ( ( in = fopen( newname, "rb") ) == NULL )
>
> It looks to me like OS/2's >  <  and |  are automatically changing LF
> to CRLF and vice-versa which it sounds like means they are opening files
> in text mode.
>
> Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:14:44 GMT, Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I wrote a cat.exe which write out a file's contents in binary.
> > >I think the program is working, but when I redirect is with
> > >| or > I think these are only allowing text mode file operations!
> >
> > You are opening the file in text mode by the sound of it, when you really
> > want binary mode. How you select this is dependant on language/compiler
and
> > you don't say which you are using.....

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From: Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG                              02-Sep-99 02:01:07
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: OS/2 telnet Q

From: Tim Stephen@CIOS.ORG (Tim Stephen)

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:18:57 -0500, Jeff D. Roesner wrote:
>When I telnet into my OS/2 machine I can't telnet out to any of the other
>machines on my LAN.  Is this a known limitation of the OS/2
>telnetd.exe/telnet.exe?
>
>

I'm able to do this.  My tcpip is the warp 4 standard issue.  No updates.

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From: fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com                        02-Sep-99 02:34:03
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: ORB drive help

From: fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com

In <37CDC4DC.A7C9B2BA@redrose.net>, Dale Winters <dwinters@redrose.net>
writes:
>Anybody know how to get Warp v4 to recognize and run an ORB drive. The
>co. puts out win98
>drivers but they are still working on Warp drivers. I looked at the IBM
>site for new drivers but
>couldnt find anything. If somebody got one working under Warp Id sure
>appreciate knowing
>how !  Thanks,Dale
>
Which version of the Orb do you have??  The EIDE drive "should" work 
with the new idedasd.exe package.  The SCSI should also work.  The 
Parallel Port version will require drivers from Castlewood.

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From: jroesner@removethis.stone.kconli...               01-Sep-99 21:40:19
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: tnlogin install help needed

Message sender: jroesner@removethis.stone.kconline.com

From: "Jeff Roesner" <jroesner@removethis.stone.kconline.com>

I tried to install tnlogin, and as far as I could tell it went
according to the readme.  When I tried to log in it said:

DosExecPgm(D:\tcpipbin\login2.exe): rc=3
Unable to start shell specified in COMSPEC variable in config.sys!

Any ideas how to correct this?  The comspec variable is set in the
config.sys as d:\os2\cmd.exe.

Any help is appreciated.

j e f f  d .  r o e s n e r  ||  ICQ 36626514

jroesner@REMOVETHIS.stone.kconline.com  ||  http://stone.kconline.com 

"...he's like a detuned radio..."


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From: kaba*@ix.netcom.com                               01-Sep-99 23:52:29
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: GRADD 080 question.

From: "N.K." <kaba*@ix.netcom.com>

Thanks for the replies, I actually discovered where to set it on the
second page of the screen settings. I could have sworn that Current
Configuration button was greyed out the first time I checked it, but now
it is not! and it works and it gives you the option to set the refresh
rate along with the resolution and color depth. Does anybody know why
the screen window tells you your current res. and color settings but
does not tell you your current refresh.

As for the drivers on the Nvidia page, they work with the TNT, and Vanta
chips, but I guess not the TNT128, I know, I tried them. 

N. Kaba      
Replace the " * " with " n " if you would like to e-mail me.
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Skree@stubble.jumpers wrote:
> 
> In <7qf26l$l83$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, on 08/30/99
>    at 10:56 PM, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) said:
> 
> Q}N.K. (kaba*@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> Q}: Hi,
> Q}: I just got an STB Velocity 128 Card, (NVIDIA RIVA 128 chip) and I
> Q}: finally managed to install the generic gradd 080 driver, and it seems to
> Q}: be working fine in both OS2 and WIN/OS2, the problem is too much
> Q}: flicker, and I may have missed it but I didn't see any option anywhere
> Q}: for the refresh rate. Does anybody out there know of a better driver for
> Q}: this chip or a way to improve the refresh rate, the flicker is
> Q}: noticeable in both 65k and 16m colors.
> 
> Q}      Never bother going above 256 colors when using the generic SVGA 
GRADD
> Q}driver.
> 
> Try using nvidia's gradd driver - I believe it's on their site.  If you
> can't find it - email me off the newsgroup and I'll email it too ya. --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Kenn Sunley
> MR/2 ICE ver 1.60 reg'd
> Date: 1999.08.31
> Time: 00:02:20 - -0600
> 
> ksunley@sk.sympatico.ca
> 
> Warp 4
> 233Mhz PII
> ATI Xpert@work
> Gradd Rocks - thank you IBM
> -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: esitea@inficad.com                                01-Sep-99 21:27:27
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: OS/2 Warp v3

From: Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com>

Try:

http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/os_2comp/installa/index.htm

Driver updates for large drives and updated CDROM drivers.

Ezra

Geoff Foulstone wrote:

> Hello.
> I've just purchased v3 Warp from a car boot sale.
> I am a Windows user and do not know very much about warp.
> Could someone please help me install this, I have a 6Gig HD, what do I have
> to do to get Warp to see my drive?

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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   02-Sep-99 03:49:04
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 06:35:00
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

In <CTbz3.12044$r92.142924@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca 
(Alex Taylor) writes:
>On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:17:40 -0400, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:

>As for WP/2, well... I thought it was neat to have (even if it doesn't
>seem to work all that well).

WordPerfect/2 v5.2 is my work processor.  It works quite well. 
Well, it did until I installed OS/2 v4 and moved the Docs 
directory to another HD, and now the associations don't work, 
I have to find out what's wrong.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: viewme18@hotmail.com                              01-Sep-99 23:04:20
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 10:42:04
Subj: Warp 3 and fixpack problem

From: Pete <viewme18@hotmail.com>

I decided to put Warp back on my other computer. It installs just
fine. I apply  fixpack 32 or 40 and it boots up to the point of the
green desktop. No icons show up and the clock is showing for the
cursor. It just hangs there for as long as you want.
And for hardware I have a Pentium 90, pci network card, S3 Virge
video, no sound card, cdrom. 
I have had my video card set to VGA and to the proper drivers. Makes
not difference to the fixpack. 
Any suggestions to get this up and running with the fixpack applied?

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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      02-Sep-99 15:52:26
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 10:42:04
Subj: help with ssh

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

I downloaded the ssh beta from hobbes and now I'm having problems with it.
It's 
ALMOST working, which is why it's so frustrating.

[C:\]ssh-agent cmd
mkdir: No such file or directory
OS/2 Command Interpreter version 4

I get the above lines:

Trying to use ssh

[C:\]ssh -l s3058397 bohm netscape
Enter passphrase for RSA key 'flash@FENNER50':
SYS1034: The system cannot find the command processor in the path
specified.
OS/2 Command Interpreter version 4


[C:\]exit

Netscape only opens up in my X session, after I type exit. This stuffs up in 
Xfree86 because after typing up my password, it starts up the session
somewhere 
not accessible for me to type exit and my Xterm is frozen.

Are there any other ports of ssh?


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             02-Sep-99 06:16:01
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 10:42:04
Subj: Re: Help with Mindspring as an ISP

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:47:34, jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela) wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:21:20, rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson) 
> wrote:
> 
> > Anybody got tips on setting up a Mindspring account with DOIP?
> 
> http://help.mindspring.com/modules/00000/00005.htm

Chuckle.  I finally found it.  I'm a netcom converted to mindspring guy
and I wasn't used to their web site.  My old machine I selling to a
newbie and they have a real good deal for referrals now.  Sign up
somebody and you get $60 off your account and they get $60 off theirs!

So she signed up and I'm setting it up.  Just got it going a few hours
ago.

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                02-Sep-99 00:54:23
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 10:42:04
Subj: Re: OS/2 training?

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:28:11, "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net> wrote:

> VIAGRAFIX has a huge catalog of tutorial lesson videos and CD-
> Roms. 

Can't help it:  The way you wrote this I read your VIAGRAFIX as VIAGRA
FIX.  Didn't lose that image until I got to the later ViaGrafix.  
Guess that shows the effectivness of those TV adds <g>.  Interesting 
lesson on word play.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         02-Sep-99 06:49:11
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 10:42:05
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:23:43 -0700, bstephan@redshift.com wrote:

>In <37CDA59E.73F7@eagletcs.com>, on 09/01/99 
>   at 05:15 PM, Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com> said:
>
>>But, how can I force OS/2 to change the daylight
>>savings time w/o Timekeeper/s?
>
>To my knowledge it is not possible without a third party utility,
>but I might be wrong on that because I have never tried it. Perhaps
>someone else can speak to it.
>
If you're using the net and can use ntp then it is possible. I've got
TZ=GMT0BST and DAYTIME (available on Hobbes IIRC) takes note of this
and I find the time changes when the C library used by DAYTIME
considers that daylight saving switches in and out.

The bad news is that most C libraries default to what they think is the
US standard not the European standard and not all of them seem to
understand the same junk on the end to change the switchover dates. 

Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Cricket: old English traditional variant of the rain dance.


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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  02-Sep-99 08:28:17
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 10:42:05
Subj: Re: Jaz drive as "Big Floppy"?

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

Sorry, now that I understand the problem (which no longer exists), it 
should have been clear from the beginning that the OS had nothing to do 
with it. What was causing the problem was the fact that I had an "Available
Space" monitor for the Jaz drive in the Object Desktop Control Center, so 
that the drive had to be accessed by the OD - CC in order to establish the 
available space --- which couldn't be done if the drive was empty.

That monitor shouldn't have been there in the first place, and its absence 
is not a great price to pay. The problem is solved. I owe thanks to all 
those who suggested solutions for it, and apologies for posting a problem 
the cause of which should have been obvious to me from the beginning.


On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:08:13, Bengt Johansen <bengjoha@online.no> wrote:
 
> Stan Goodman wrote:
> > 
> > Many thanks, John. Yes, this does work, but it is too sweeping a move,
> > because it deprives me of error messages that I would like to see. For
> > example, I would no longer get the warning at boot time that not all the
> > machines are actually present on the LAN.
> > 
> > Is it possible that there is no way I can convince the Jaz itself that it
> > is OK for it to be mediumless when the machine boots?
> > 
> I've just made a test with my 2Gb JAZ attached to an Adaptec AHA-2940UW,
> and 
> the OS is happy as ever.. (OS/2 Warp 4 FP 11)
> 
> The only thing i can't do, is to format the d#Ï% thing, because the
> Tools 
> disk is damaged, and the DL from Iomega requeres the d#Ï% tools to
> install.
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 	Bengt...
> 

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: J.deBoynePollard@tesco.net                        02-Sep-99 10:22:25
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 10:42:05
Subj: (1/2) Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard@tesco.net>

Announcing the

                 ˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜ÿ
                 OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0
                 ˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜ÿ

The OS/2 Command Line Utilities, OS2CLU, version 2.0 comprises a suite of
native 32-bit OS/2 commands that provide many useful abilities for the
OS/2 user, from searching archive files and subdirectories for filenames,
through searching text files for patterns, to improved versions of several
of the commands that are supplied with OS/2 itself that allow one to
remove more of the 16-bit vestiges that remain in OS/2 Warp.

They are "command line" utilities because they can all be driven from the
command line, making them suitable for use in command scripts ("batch
files").  However, OS2CLU comprises a mixture of text-mode and
Presentation Manager (i.e. graphical) programs.


FEATURES
˜˜˜˜˜˜˜ÿ

˜ All of the utilities are fully 32-bit native OS/2 programs, written to
  take advantage of many of the features of 32-bit OS/2, such as its
  ability to scan directories efficiently.

˜ 27 new commands that weren't in OS2CLU version 1.0:  ANACLOCK, ARCDIR,
  BCOMP, CALCTZ, COMP, CPUIDG, CPUIDT, DELTREE, DIGCLOCK, DIRSIZE, FIND,
  FINDDUPS, FITSIZE, HELP, PARTLIST, RESETINI, SAYDATE, SETDATE, SORT,
  STRINGS, SUM, TASKLIST, TEE, TEXTCONV, TREE, WINSIGHT, and Y.

˜ All of the utilities that deal with dates are fully capable of handling
  dates beyond the year 2000, beyond the year 2038 -- which is the "drop
  dead" date for much 32-bit C and C++ code --, and right up to the year
  2107, in fact.

  Ironically, this ability in the TOUCH and XDIR commands has revealed two
  Year 2100 bugs in OS/2's own FAT and HPFS filesystem drivers!

˜ All of the utilities that deal with files support extended wildcards,
  which are a superset of the standard OS/2 wildcard syntax, similar to
  the wildcards that are available in most UNIX shells.

  For example:

    [c:\]attrib +r *.{zip,arj,rar,lzh,tar.gz}

        and

    [c:\]xdir [a-c]*

        and

    [c:\]dump /s *.{su,mo,tu,we,th,fr,sa}[0-9]

˜ Several of the utilities are 32-bit replacements for commands supplied
  with OS/2 itself that are *still*, even in OS/2 Warp version 4, 16-bit
  programs or batch files, such as ATTRIB, COMP, FIND, HELP, SORT, and
  TREE.

  Needless to say, many of the uglier "features" of the OS/2-supplied
  commands have been removed.  The OS2CLU SORT command, for example, can
  sort files named on the command line as well as its standard input, and
  can sort files that are greater than 64KiB in size.  The OS2CLU COMP
  command can be used in a batch file with ease.  The OS2CLU FIND command
  supports regular expressions and the ability to be used in a command
  pipeline.  The OS2CLU HELP command can be configured to search different
  on-line books by default and won't destroy a customised command prompt
  if one turns help on and off.  And the OS2CLU TREE command, unlike the
  TREE supplied with OS/2, *actually displays a tree*!

˜ The command-line interface to all of the utilities is straightforward
  and consistent, and is based on conventions that will be familiar to PC
  users.

  For example, all of the utilities support the /? option for obtaining
  help; and the /S option always means "recurse into subdirectories",
  whatever the command.

˜ The utilities come with a detailed on-line help document, in the
  standard OS/2 INF file format.

˜ The DUMP, FIND, GREP, SORT, STRINGS, SUM, TEE, TEXTCONV, WC, WHAT, and Y
  commands can be used as filter commands, for use in a command pipeline,
  acting upon what they receive from their standard input, and producing
  results on their standard output.

˜ All of the utilities contain international support, displaying the date
  and time in the format appropriate to the current setting given for
  COUNTRY in CONFIG.SYS, and using OS/2's system message file for the text
  of error messages.

˜ All of the utilities that deal with dates and times can also use the ISO
  8601 standard date and time representation, which uses an unambiguous
  format with a 4-digit year, in order to avoid the inherent ambiguity in
  the "national" date formats for the first 31 years of the 21st century
  (e.g. 01/02/03).

˜ The SAYDATE and DIGCLOCK utilities fully support the TZ environment
  variable, with the standard POSIX syntax (ISO/IEC 9445-1:1990), allowing
  one to operate in any timezone, in either hemisphere, with daylight
  savings time rules being applied correctly and automatically.

  This also allows different commands to be run in different timezones.
  So one could have, if one wanted, multiple instances of DIGCLOCK running
  on the desktop at the same time, all operating in different timezones
  and with different daylight savings time rules!  A fully configurable
  and extensible "world clock"!

˜ All utilities are limited only by available virtual memory.

  The DIR command in CMD, the default command processor supplied with
  OS/2, refuses to sort a directory listing containing more than 2073
  files.  The DIR command in 4OS2 fails when the directory size reaches a
  more respectable 20,000 files.

  But the XDIR command in OS2CLU was able, in testing, to sort a directory
  listing of 100,000 files, and even that didn't reach its limit!  (We
  just ran out of enthusiasm to go any higher.  (-:)

˜ All of the utilities that deal with files fully support long filenames,
  filenames with embedded spaces and multiple full stops, deep directory
  trees, and large directories.

  Indeed, the TREE command was added to OS2CLU version 2.0 because one of
  the popular TREE utilities for OS/2 couldn't handle the C:\OS2\ARCHIVES
  directory tree and would always crash because it was too deep!

˜ All of the utilities that deal with files fully support the Universal
  Naming Convention, used by LANs and by OS/2 Warp Server 5 ("Aurora").

  For example, one doesn't need to use drive letters to access files on
  LAN fileservers, since one can use UNC filenames instead:

    [c:\]ff /s/e \\server\sharename\*.txt

        and

    [c:\]xdir \\server\sharename\*.{exe,com,cmd}

˜ All of the text-mode utilities can be used when OS/2 is booted to a
  text-mode command line.


THE INDIVIDUAL UTILITIES
˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜ÿ

    ANACLOCK    A simple Presentation Manager analogue clock program, with
                full support for timezones and automatic (and effortless)
                switching to and from daylight savings time.

    ARCDIR      Displays the contents of archives.  It performs much the
                same function as the "l" or "-view" option to many
                archiving tools, except that one tool supports multiple
                archive types with one uniform command syntax, can list
                files within the archive matching particular wildcards,
                can sort the listing, and can even produce a single
                (sorted) list of the contents of multiple archive files
                that match a particular wild card, optionally recursing
                into subdirectories to find them.

    ATTRIB      Is an enhanced, 32-bit, replacement for OS/2's 16-bit
                ATTRIB command.  It includes, amongst other enhancements,
                extended wildcards, the ability to include and exclude
                files by attribute, and the ability to modify the
                attributes of subdirectories as well as files.

    BCOMP       A simple binary byte-for-byte comparison of two files.

    CALCTZ      A Presentation Manager utility to help calculate the TZ
                environment variable string for any given timezone and
                daylight savings time rules.  Unlike other TZ calculators,
                this command calculates a TZ string that is in the
                standard POSIX 1003.1 (ISO/IEC 9445-1:1990) format.

    COMP        Is an enhanced, 32-bit, replacement for OS/2's 16-bit COMP
                command.  It doesn't prompt the user, so can be used in
                command scripts, and has a more compact output format so
                that differences are easier to spot.  It can also recurse
                into subdirectories to compare entire directory trees; and
                it supports extended wildcards.

    CONVCASE    Renames filenames to upper, lower, or mixed case, which is
                handy in those situations where other programs insist upon
                creating all-uppercase or all-lowercase filenames.  It
                supports the standard OS2CLU features of recursing into
                subdirectories, including/excluding files by attribute,
                and extended wildcards.

    CPUIDG      A Presentation Manager program to display the information
                obtained about the CPU by the CPUID instruction, including
                the various AMD and Cyrix extensions.

    CPUIDT      A text-mode program to display the information obtained
                about the CPU by the CPUID instruction, including
                the various AMD and Cyrix extensions.

    DELTREE     A REXX wrapper script for the XDEL command that behaves
                much like the DELTREE command in MS-DOS and DR-DOS does.

    DIGCLOCK    A simple Presentation Manager digital clock program, with
                a fully configurable display format and full support for
                timezones and automatic (and effortless) switching to and
                from daylight savings time.

    DIRSIZE     Displays the sizes of directories, much like the GNU `du'
                command does, but with the standard OS2CLU features such
                as enhanced wildcards and the ability to include/exclude
                files by attribute, and with the same simple, consistent,
                PC-style, interface of the other utilities that should be
                familiar to OS/2 users.  It also displays the actual true
                "allocated space" figures when used on large FAT volumes.

    DUMP        Dumps the contents of many types of file, including the
                popular ARC, ARJ, LZH, RAR, ZIP, and ZOO archive file
                formats, PKT files (used for mail transfer on Fidonet),
                executable and DLL files, and Intel object module files
                (OBJ and LIB files).

    FF          A versatile yet simple and fast file finder, that is also
                capable of locating files that are contained within ARC,
                ARJ, LZH, RAR, ZIP, and ZOO archives.  It supports the
                standard OS2CLU features of recursing into subdirectories,
                including/excluding files by attribute, and extended
                wildcards.

    FIND        A REXX wrapper for the GREP command that can replace
                OS/2's 16-bit FIND command, searching for lines in text
                files that contain a given string.  It has the standard
                OS2CLU features of being able to operate recursively on
                files in subdirectories and include/exclude files by
                attribute.  It can also has a "brief" display format, and
                the ability to display counts of the number of lines
                found.

    FINDDUPS    Locates files that are exact duplicates of one another,
                even if they have different names and timestamps.  It
                supports the standard OS2CLU features of recursing into
                subdirectories, including/excluding files by attribute,
                and extended wildcards.

    FITSIZE     Groups files into bundles that don't exceed a given total
                size.  It is useful for burning CD-ROMs, or collecting
                files onto LS-120 super-floppy discs.

    GREP        Finds lines that match a given pattern in text files, much
                like the GNU `egrep' command, but with the standard OS2CLU
                features.  It implements almost the entire POSIX "extended"
                regular expression syntax -- far more than most other grep
                utilities, which usually only provide the POSIX "basic"
                syntax.

    HELP        An enhanced, REXX, replacement for OS/2's HELP command
                (which is a "batch file").  It won't upset customised
                PROMPT strings, and doesn't require the 16-bit HELPMSG
                program in order to function.  It also allows the command
                reference on-line book that is used by default to be
                configured via the CMDREF environment variable.

                It is also useful as a replacement for the HELP command
                that is built in to Take Command for OS/2, JP Software's
                command interpreter for OS/2, which doesn't work too well!

    PARTLIST    Displays the entire, unmodified, contents of the partition
                table on one or all of the available partitionable disc
                devices.  Unlike FDISK /QUERY, the partition table is
                displayed in raw uninterpreted form, with the partition
                sizes displayed in numbers of sectors, rather than being
                converted to KiB.

                The /FIX option will fix some of the more common errors
                caused by disc geometry changes (which can occur when a
                disc is moved from one machine to another or when a
                different make of SCSI host adapter is used, for example).

    PLAYTUNE    Plays a tune through the PC speaker.  No more messing
                around converting a tune to a series of numbers for BEEPs!
                And no more need to run QBASIC in a VDM, which eats CPU
                time, just to play a tune!  The tune is given in a format
                compatible with the "PLAY" statement in the BASIC language
                and with so-called "ANSI music" as used by several BBS and
                offline mail and comms utilities.

    RESETINI    Removes the read-only attribute from the user and system
                INI files, and then instructs Workplace Shell to reload
                them.  It is useful as an aid to recovery if an incomplete
                shutdown has left the INI files read-only by accident.  It

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From: J.deBoynePollard@tesco.net                        02-Sep-99 10:22:25
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 10:42:05
Subj: (2/2) Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

                also has the side-effect of closing and re-opening the WPS
                Desktop folder without restarting the system.

    SAYDATE     Displays the current, or any given, date and time, with a
                fully configurable display format and full support for
                timezones and automatic (and effortless) switching to and
                from daylight savings time.  The DATE and TIME commands
                cannot be used in command scripts to display the date and
                time without some ugliness, because they prompt for input.
                This command can be!

    SETDATE     Allows the hardware real-time clock to be set from a date
                or time expressed as local time in any arbitrary timezone.
                It also sets the date and time simultaneously, avoiding
                race conditions in command scripts when used near
                midnight.

    SORT        An enhanced, 32-bit, replacement for OS/2's 16-bit SORT
                command.  It can sort up to the size of available virtual
                memory and has no 64KiB limit, can also sort files named
                on the command line, and supports extended wildcards and
                the other standard OS2CLU features.  It's also quicker!

    STRINGS     Displays embedded strings of characters in files, which is
                particularly useful for searching binary files for text
                strings.  It supports the standard OS2CLU features of
                recursing into subdirectories, including and excluding
                files by attribute, and extended wildcards.

    SUM         Calculates CRC-16, CRC-32, two different types of checksum
                (UNIX BSD and System V), and the MD5 fingerprint for
                files.  It supports the standard OS2CLU features of
                recursing into subdirectories, including/excluding files
                by attribute, and extended wildcards.

    TASKLIST    Lists the contents of the PM Window List in text form,
                suitable for parsing, or use from text-mode programs.

    TEE         A "T-shaped" pipe fitting, that sends its standard input
                to its standard output, writing or appending a copy of it
                to one or more files named as its arguments.

    TEXTCONV    Converts text files from one code page and newline
                convention to another.  It makes it easy to interchange
                text files between OS/2 and Usenet, the Macintosh, and
                UNIX/linux, or between OS/2 users in different countries
                with different code pages.  It supports code page 1004 in
                particular, in order that one can convert text files from
                other code pages to ISO 8859 Latin-1.

    TOUCH       Changes the last modification, last access, or creation
                timestamp of files and directories.  It can override
                read-only protection, and it supports the standard OS2CLU
                features of being able to recurse into subdirectories and
                include/exclude files by attribute, and extended
                wildcards.

    TREE        An enhanced 32-bit replacement for OS/2's 16-bit TREE
                command.  Unlike the latter, this command actually
                displays a tree!  It can also display size information,
                and be limited to using only ASCII characters instead of
                character graphics.  It also supports extended wildcards.

    WC          Counts the number of lines, words, letters, characters, and
                bytes in files.  It supports the standard OS2CLU features
                of recursing into subdirectories, including/excluding
                files by attribute, and extended wildcards.

    WHAT        Finds any embedded SCCS identifying strings in files.

    WHICH       Finds out what would be executed if a given command name
                were used.  It knows about commands that are built into
                the 16-bit CMD, 32-bit CMD, and 4OS2 command interpreters,
                and obeys the PATHEXT environment variable.

    XDEL        Deletes files.  It supports the standard OS2CLU features
                of recursing into subdirectories, including/excluding
                files by attribute, and extended wildcards.  It can also
                remove empty subdirectories, override read-only
                protection, and wipe the contents of files before deleting
                them in order to prevent them from being successfully
                undeleted.

    XDIR        Displays directory listings.  It supports the standard
                OS2CLU features of recursing into subdirectories,
                including/excluding files by attribute, and extended
                wildcards.  It can also sort files from multiple
                subdirectories into one big list, allowing one to see all
                files in multiple subdirectories sorted together by size
                for example, and has no arbitrary limits on the number of
                files that it can process.

    WINSIGHT    Displays the hierarchy of Presentation Manager windows as
                a tree structure, showing window handles, parents, owners,
                process and thread IDs, styles, IDs, types, and text.

    Y           A "Y-shaped" pipe fitting, that concatenates its standard
                input with one or more files and sends the result to its
                standard output.  It can also be used as a more powerful
                replacement for the TYPE command built into IBM's 16-bit
                CMD command interpreter, since it supports the standard
                OS2CLU features of extended wildcards, inclusion and
                exclusion of files by attributes, and recursion into
                subdirectories.


WHERE TO FIND OS2CLU
˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜ÿ

The OS2CLU02 distribution archive (available as both OS2CLU02.ZIP and
OS2CLU02.RAR, to cater to different tastes) can be File Requested by
anyone at any time of the day from the following Fidonet nodes:

    1:109/921.0        TSR BBS in the U.S.
    2:257/609.0        Air Applewood BBS in the U.K.

It is also available on any Fidonet site around the world that carries the
Fidonet file distribution echo that is hosted by Fernwood BBS in the U.S..

It can also be found on the Hobbes FTP site run by New Mexico State
University in the U.S., and on the LEO FTP site in Germany.


ABOUT THE AUTHOR
˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜ÿ

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard is a professional computer programmer who
specialises in consultancy and development of operating systems and tools,
and who writes things like the OS/2 Command Line Utilities in his spare
time.  Other previous projects of his include such things as a complete
replacement for the runtime library for Borland C++ 3.1, allowing it to be
used to develop 16-bit OS/2 programs.  He also maintained the Highly
Unofficial Fidonet OS2PROG C++ Compiler Pros and Cons List for several
years, and is the moderator of the international OS2DOS Fidonet echo.  He
is currently working on a project which he believes will astonish 32-bit
OS/2 users.

The best, most reliable, and quickest, way to contact him is on Fidonet,
by sending netmail addressed to either

	Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, FIDONET#2:257/609.3

		or

	Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, FIDONET#1:109/921.70,

which are his two permanent "point" addresses.  Alternatively, you can
post a message in the Fidonet OS2PROG or OS2 echoes.

Another way to contact him is via the Internet mailbox
<J.deBoynePollard@tesco.net>.  Since this is a mailbox hosted by one of
the U.K.'s "free ISPs", and subject to the standard "use every 90 days or
it will be deleted" conditions that such ISPs impose, this latter address
is not guaranteed to be reliable, or even valid, in years to come however.

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From: hfalken@x4u2.desy.de                              02-Sep-99 10:46:15
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: need help: can't boot with windows after os2boot

From: Harald Falkenberg <hfalken@x4u2.desy.de>

Hi,

on a PC with a windows 3.1 and os/2 3.0 I run into trouble after executing
the os2boot programm within the program manager. Now after every system 
restart os/2 is getting started, but I like to prefer windows 3.1 as 
default start system. So I looked into the system and found the following:

- c:command.com says wrong dos version
- autoexec.bat and config.sys seem to have only pathes to os2 dirs
- c: is the same by an os/2 start or start wis a dos boot disk
- within os/2 session fdisk (in c:\os2) says a warning, that the
   the partition table may be corrupted. Also there is only aboveground 
   dos (fat) partition, which is set to active.
- partition magic dos not work and ends with a warning, that the partion 
  table may be corrupted. 
- it is not possible to boot with a partition magic disk -> it says 
  wrong command interpreter...

I'm not familier with os/2 and the boot manager, but it looks like os/2
is started on the same partition (no hpfs is shown in fdisk). 

So if anybody can help me to solve the problems, that would be very kind:
a) start with windows 3.1 after reboot instead of os/2
b) whats wrong with the partion table

I know the system is old and dusty, but I need it seriously. 

regards
	Harald

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From: mhammoc@ibm.net                                   02-Sep-99 12:22:16
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: OS/2 Spool Control Pgm ?

From: mhammoc@ibm.net

I'm looking for a program / product which would provide a greater level  
of control of the OS/2 Spooler / Printer driver functions.  
I have a customer who needs to be able to do thing like
'backspace page' or 'backspace 50 lines' while printing a file.
I know the basic spooler/print drivers have some basic functions,
(although I have trouble making them work), but I think I need
something beyond that.  (This customer is using HP LaserJet
printers, if that makes a difference).
  Anyone have any suggestions ??

 Thanks
  Mike Hammock


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From: cwr@cts.com                                       02-Sep-99 12:24:22
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | )  do text only?

From: Will Rose <cwr@cts.com>

In comp.os.os2.programmer.misc Stan Towianski <stantowianski@home.com> wrote:
: I am using IBM's C/C++ 2.01 (?) compiler.  I am writing in C.
: These are all my fopen stmt.s:
:             else if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "rb") ) != NULL )
:         else if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "rb") ) != NULL )
:         if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "ab") ) == NULL )
:         if ( ( out = fopen( newname, "wb") ) == NULL )
:             else if ( ( in = fopen( newname, "rb") ) == NULL )
:         else if ( ( in = fopen( newname, "rb") ) == NULL )

: It looks to me like OS/2's >  <  and |  are automatically changing LF
: to CRLF and vice-versa which it sounds like means they are opening files
: in text mode.

Looking back at some old filter code I wrote, I _think_ stdin and stdout
default to binary under VAC++.  Anyway, here's some sample code I used to
convert stdout to text mode:
	fp_out = stdout;
	if (setmode(fileno(fp_out), O_TEXT) == FAILED)
		fprintf(stderr, "Cannot change output fp mode.\n");

There are also several patches in the code for MSDOS, so it looks as
if the open mode varies with the OS/compiler.


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com


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From: RhysDow@home.com                                  02-Sep-99 12:29:29
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: Re: tnlogin install help needed

From: Rhys Dow <RhysDow@home.com>

Hi,

I got caught by this one too.

Note the path in the error message is missing a "\" between the tcpip
and bin.  In the telnetd2.cmd file, you need to add one.

eg. I changed:

tcpip = FileSpec('drive',tcpip) || '\tcpip'

to:

tcpip = FileSpec('drive',tcpip) || '\tcpip\'

In retrospect, the "proper" place for it is probably 2 lines down in:

'set comspec='tcpip'\bin\login2.exe
                    |
----here------------*


Rhys

Jeff Roesner wrote:
> 
> I tried to install tnlogin, and as far as I could tell it went
> according to the readme.  When I tried to log in it said:
> 
> DosExecPgm(D:\tcpipbin\login2.exe): rc=3
> Unable to start shell specified in COMSPEC variable in config.sys!
> 
> Any ideas how to correct this?  The comspec variable is set in the
> config.sys as d:\os2\cmd.exe.
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> j e f f  d .  r o e s n e r  ||  ICQ 36626514
> 
> jroesner@REMOVETHIS.stone.kconline.com  ||  http://stone.kconline.com
> 
> "...he's like a detuned radio..."

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From: klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu                          02-Sep-99 12:52:02
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu (Kevin Croxen)

 




In message <eleS4DQ3N6dS-pn2-djHYtnegeYvs@localhost> - rgibson@ix.netcom.com
(Ron Gibson) writes:
:<snip>

:>
:>Which reminds me of a strange problem that I'm having, Warp 3, FP40.
:>
:>I took Linux of a logical partition, say the equivalent to logical drive
:>H and had to edit my config.sys file for OS/2 on logical drive I (which
:>became J as Linux partitions don't get a drive letter in OS/2 FDISK).
:>
:>Then I remade the ini files with the ini.rc thing.
:>
:>Well it all works fine, except OS/2 FDISK gives me really strange
:>reports, like that the partition table is corrupt, there are no
:>bootable drives, some of the partitions aren't formatted, Boot manager
:>is at the wrong location, so on.  However, if I boot with the utility
:>disks everything is as it should be.  I even went to the trouble of
:>deleting all the partitions, remaking and resizing them.  I then
:>restored everything from tape and still get the same output from FDISK.
:>I thought well maybe the FDISK file had become corrupted and copied the
:>one with the good output over it. Still getting the same thing.
:>
:>
:>Any ideas???
:>
:>                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com
:>


Happens from time to time with OS/2's fdisk and Linux (also with NT3.51). I
personally have had it happen 3 times to me for various reasons. Twicw after
Linux's fdisk manipulated a partition table that was created by OS/2's fdisk,
and once when I attempted to install NT3.51 on a larger disk whose geometry it
didn't quite understand.

Once OS/2's fdisk believes the partition table on a physical drive is corrupt,
fdisk is dead as far as that drive is concerned. OS/2's fdisk can no longer
even successfully delete a partition (or all partitions) on the affected
drive. The only solution I've ever found that works is to back up all the data
from all the partitions on the physical drive, then partially install
something really brutal like DOS 6.x to that drive so that it completely
rewrites the partition table and carves out, configures, and formats its own
primary partition.

Once DOS has done this, then OS/2's fdisk becomes happy with the physical
drive again, and you can use it to delete the DOS partition and set up the
partitions you want. Format them, and restore the data to them from your
backups.

Generally, if your backups are not currently up-to-the second, you still have
plenty of opportunity to get them ready, since even though OS/2's fdisk is
dead as far as that physical drive is concerned, nevertheless all the data
remains perfectly accessible and the appropriate partitions bootable until
you've made the backups and are ready to nuke and repartition.


Cheers,

--Kevin

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               02-Sep-99 13:07:16
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:35:27, Murray Weismer <weismer@erols.com> wrote:

| It just seems that collectively, we OS2 users are accepting a second
| class status, too often accepting the scraps cast off from the Microsoft
| world, instead of demanding quality product and service, and rewarding
| those who still do provide it.

Depending on the context, there are times I could agree with you. (You
may recall that I'm married to a developer of shrinkwrap OS/2 
software. <smile>) I'm _all_ for rewarding the publishers of quality 
OS/2 applications.

However, if Dan has the same attitude -- and I wouldn't speak for him 
-- then perhaps that's one of the reasons he *didn't* make the source 
code available? MR/2 ICE is still out there, after all; why take money
from its author's pocket?

 --Esther

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               02-Sep-99 14:02:19
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: bv <bvermo@powertech.no>

Dale Erwin wrote:

> J. R. Fox wrote:
> >
> > Buddy Donnelly wrote:
> >
> > > OS/2 is a power user's Operating System, and doesn't fall victim
> > > easily to getting slowed down by bad programming.
> > >
>
> I'll add my concensus to that as well.  The only time I reboot
> is after a power failure.

You're not a developer, I gather.

Indeed, OS/2 may be the best operating system I have used in the last 30
years. The OS itself is extremely tolerant of sloppy programming, too. It
is, however, possible to cause problems for the add-ons, PM and WPS. A PM
program with less than three threads will risk blocking the input queue in
addition to general poor performance. I notice that Communicator has only
three threads. It is a sign of the inheritance from Windows, and may be
some of the explanation for the sometimes lacklustre performance.

As for the future, WSeB certainly is not the "Warp 5" some people in IBM
were working on, it looks more like the intermediate version we heard
another group worked on and which was never supposed to come in a client
version. About a Warp 5 client, we have a resounding "maybe" which is all
IBM will ever say about an unnannounced future product.

As there have also been hints of a new, Java-based WPS (which could only be
an improvement), my guess is that  it will not be ready until well after
Java 2.0 is released.


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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               02-Sep-99 15:05:09
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: bv <bvermo@powertech.no>

Tony Saucedo wrote:

> But, how can I force OS/2 to change the daylight
> savings time w/o Timekeeper/s?
>  In other words this Fall we "fall"an hour and next
> Spring we move up an hour, I need to simulate this process.
>

You might write a small REXX program which sits inthe startup folder and
checks if the season has changed since last boot.

PC clocks are too inaccurate for systems which run for a long time, so you
need time syncronizing from a server. I guess that is why summer/winter
toggling is not included in the standard software.

You can get TIME868, which is free. It will also work as a time server, so
if the pc clock is good enough for your purpose it may do the job for you.
It comes with a nice TZ-calculator. For USA Central, the correct setting
is:SET TZ=CST6CDT because the default cangeover is applicable. For
Arizona, where they appear to be smart enough not to mess with the clock
twice annually, it must be SET TZ=MST7MST,1,1,1,0,1,1,1,0,0 to turn off
switching.

The calculator works for most countries and areas of the world.




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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          02-Sep-99 13:53:07
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:08
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:47:21, Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com> wrote:

:Got a couple questions.
:How does the "SET TZ=" work with OS/2?

 From OS/2's online help:

 "Select the time zone to be used for locale based applications. 

 SET TZ=sss ŽŽŽŽŽŽŽ# ŽŽŽŽŽŽŽ ddd ŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽ´
 
 Select the number and name for the time zone to be used in converting 
times to local time.  The time zone consists of three 
 basic elements: 

  
  sss -       The name of the standard time zone.  This is a string of at 
least three characters. It can contain spaces, but can not 
              contain numbers, or the + or - sign. 

  #   -       The amount of change from UT (GMT).  This is normally a 
number with n optional leading plus (+) or minus(-).  
              Positive times are to the west; negative times are yo the 
east.  Minutes can be specified with a preceding colon.  5.5 
              hours east of Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is specified as:  
-5:30 

  ddd -       The name of the summer time zone.  This is similar to the 
standard time zone name.  This should not be used if no 
              summer (daylight) time is used. 
  
  To set the time zone for central United States, which is in the Central 
Standard Time, type the following in your CONFIG.SYS file: 

  SET TZ=CST5CDT
  
  The following is a list of common time zone names. 

  Note:    Many others are possible. 

  
  EST5EDT -      US Eastern Time 

  CST6CDT -      US Central Time 

  MST7MDT -      US Mountain Time 

  PST8PDT -      US Pacific Time 

  AST9ADT -      US Alaska Time 

  HST10HDT -     US Hawaii Time 

  AST4ADT -      Atlantic Time (Canada) 

  GMT0BST -      United Kingdom 

  CET-1CES -     Central Europe 

  EET-2EES -     Eastern Europe"
  
:I understand that other apps use that environment variable
:and I've have not had to change the time on my system. So
:how does OS/2 handle or do the change.
 
 Do you mean the Daylight Savings Time change? OS/2 doesn't do this 
automatically, AFAIK. You can do it the old fashioned way by typing TIME 
at a command prompt. Or, there's a nice freeware program called Time868 
that can check your system's time against your choice of time server, and 
change your system's time accordingly. Time868 also contains detailed 
online help. 

:How can we force this to occur? 

 See above.

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: mwalsh1@elp.rr.com                                02-Sep-99 08:13:02
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Re: RoadRunner cable service

From: "Matt Walsh" <mwalsh1@elp.rr.com>

They don't support it, but RR runs fine on OS/2   See the fine reference site:
http://Larkin.NuclearWinter.com/rros2/

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:47:43 GMT, heloman@my-deja.com wrote:

>I attended a presentation at the local computer store
>where TimeWarner was running their RoadRunner
>internet service. As usual and most typical once I
>mentioned OS/2 he emphatically exclaimed,"WE don't
>provide any help with that operating system!". While
>I didn't mind what really has me stuped is the fact
>they utilize some sort of signon/logon program
>(windows only). According to them there is no way to
>bypass it. Is anyone using the RoadRunner service and
>IF so how/what did/are you using to get around the
>logon program? What lan card are you using/recommend
>and where can I get the driver(s) required for it? I
>am really getting tired of 2300+/- bps and downloads
>taking up to several hours when it can be done much
>much faster. Thanks for any help and suggestions
>offered in advance.....
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.


Matt Walsh  El Paso, TX
Computin' & Shootin' in the dust.


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From: falko.tesch@bigfoot.com                           02-Sep-99 13:42:08
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Shutting WARP 3 VIO-Windows without interaction?

From: Falko Tesch <falko.tesch@bigfoot.com>

Hi,

I need two things:

1. A little script that generates a text file with a content like ?It 
is now 16:34:23? while 16:34:23 should represent the actual time.

2. OS/2 WARP 4 can close VIO-Windows without user interaction ('Do you 
want to close...?', though being able to shutdown a system without any 
user interaction i.e. remotely. Any idea how to achive this under OS/2 
WARP 3 (FP40)?
BTW: I don't just want to flush the cache and shut the system down, I 
really want to Shutdown the system!

Any help?

CU/2
Falko



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From: jawed@comlink.ne.jpx                              02-Sep-99 23:11:21
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: jawed@comlink.ne.jpx (Ahmad Jawed Hirobumi Atif)

In article
<6AA6F7FA629C4A48.7E78D4BD6A3CECFD.5494A38F165B10A4@lp.airnews.net>,
Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:

> J. R. Fox wrote:
> > 
> > Warp just runs and runs and runs.
> > I've had it going for a couple months between reboots.  Just try that
> > with NT sometime !
> 
> I'll add my concensus to that as well.  The only time I reboot
> is after a power failure.

Though its nice that Warp is stable, isn't this practice of keeping
computers on a waste of electricity and thus bad for the environment?
Unless one is running a server, what's the point of keeping them on at
nights when nobody is doing nothing with them?

-- 
Regards, Jawed
To email directly, please remove the last x.

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        02-Sep-99 14:32:28
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:58:06 GMT, hamei@pacbell.net <hamei@pacbell.net> wrote:
> snip
> 
> (second time's the charm, I hope) . .
> 
> what I wanted to suggest, Alex, was that when you turn yourself in
> for felony use of discarded outdated software, Riverside would *not* be a
> good place to do it.

Huh?


Alex Taylor
--
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From: charette@writeme.com                              02-Sep-99 14:38:15
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Re: Pipes( > < | )  do text only?

From: charette@writeme.com

In <7qlqac$qkj$1@nusku.cts.com>, Will Rose <cwr@cts.com> writes:
[...]
>
>Looking back at some old filter code I wrote, I _think_ stdin and stdout
>default to binary under VAC++.  Anyway, here's some sample code I used to
>convert stdout to text mode:

Using C/Set++ (3/1997), I once wrote a cgi-bin that would output a GIF
image to stdout so the web server could redirect it to the client.  It never
worked, until I eventually found the _setmode() function to put stdout into
binary mode instead of the usual text mode.

The default at the time (Warp v3) was text mode, not binary.  I have a
difficult time imagining that IBM would change the default for something
like this -- especially since the other two older PC-based operating
systems, DOS and WinXX, also use text as the default, and many apps
most likely rely on this fact.  BTW, Linux, being Unix-based, not only
uses binary mode for stdout, but doesn't even have a text mode.

Stephane Charette
charette@writeme.com

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From: terryfry@toward.com                               02-Sep-99 14:58:22
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: terryfry@toward.com (Terry Fry)

>> I'll add my concensus to that as well.  The only time I reboot
>> is after a power failure.
>
>Though its nice that Warp is stable, isn't this practice of keeping
>computers on a waste of electricity and thus bad for the environment?
>Unless one is running a server, what's the point of keeping them on at
>nights when nobody is doing nothing with them?

While I turn my machines off, I keep at least one machine running
24x7, since I never know when I will need to access it remotely.

With the current "sleeping" of processors and drives, a machine that
has "powered down" can use as little as 5 watts to idle.  While I still
turn off PC's if there is no reason to leave them running, 5 watts is
a small amount of current.

Most people tend to leave the monitors running, which can use several
hundered watts while the screen saver runs...

----------------------------------------------------------
Terry Fry
Baltimore, MD

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             02-Sep-99 08:10:17
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Re: need help: can't boot with windows after os2boot

From: bstephan@redshift.com

This sounds like OS/2 was installed in a so-called "Dual boot"
configuration instead of the more reliable Boot Manager method in a
separate partition. If so, for more information on booting between
the OS's type HELP BOOT in an OS/2 command window. This might solve
your booting problem; however, the partition table problems are most
likely not that easily solved.

Firstly, make sure you have a good backup so that you can reinstall
should it become necessary, and it might very well become necessary
if you have to completely repartition your drive. I don't know of
any method to fix partition table corruption other than to
repartition the drive.

Because of the "Wrong command interpreter" messages, it also sounds
like there is a mixture of files from different DOS versions that
don't work together.

Perhaps someone else may have more suggestions.

In <xcmwvu93dlk.fsf@x4u2.desy.de>, on 09/02/99 
   at 10:46 AM, Harald Falkenberg <hfalken@x4u2.desy.de> said:

>Hi,

>on a PC with a windows 3.1 and os/2 3.0 I run into trouble after
>executing the os2boot programm within the program manager. Now
>after every system  restart os/2 is getting started, but I like to
>prefer windows 3.1 as  default start system. So I looked into the
>system and found the following:

>- c:command.com says wrong dos version
>- autoexec.bat and config.sys seem to have only pathes to os2 dirs
>- c: is the same by an os/2 start or start wis a dos boot disk -
>within os/2 session fdisk (in c:\os2) says a warning, that the
>   the partition table may be corrupted. Also there is only
>aboveground 
>   dos (fat) partition, which is set to active.
>- partition magic dos not work and ends with a warning, that the
>partion 
>  table may be corrupted. 
>- it is not possible to boot with a partition magic disk -> it says

>  wrong command interpreter...

>I'm not familier with os/2 and the boot manager, but it looks like
>os/2 is started on the same partition (no hpfs is shown in fdisk). 

>So if anybody can help me to solve the problems, that would be very
>kind: a) start with windows 3.1 after reboot instead of os/2 b)
>whats wrong with the partion table

>I know the system is old and dusty, but I need it seriously. 

>regards
>	Harald


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: rcmartin@netcom.com                               02-Sep-99 15:15:14
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: rcmartin@netcom.com

In <nFhIE53VxpbN-pn2-J6184ixEhYj5@ip105.net247213.cr.sk.ca>,
pasnak@delete.cableregina.com (J.P. Pasnak) writes:
>On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:34:30, rcmartin@netcom.com woke up with a head 
>full of whiskey and wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if Win98SE will run
>> under OS2 Bootmanager?
>> Thanks,
>> Rosemarie
>> 
>
>Yes, it will.  During the installation of Win9x, it will give you a 
>warning, and then disable BootManager.  Once your installation is 
>complete, boot to OS/2 using your bootdisks, and reset the BootManager
>partition to active.  
>
>I have a page at 
>http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/faqs/multiboot.html that may be 
>of some assistance in setting up your system.

Thank you to all who have answered my question.
Rosemarie
>
>J.P. Pasnak
>Warped Systems
>******************
>http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/everything.html
>http://members.xoom.com/Warped/every/dirmap.html
>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/warpedusers
>*******************

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From: rcmartin@netcom.com                               02-Sep-99 15:28:24
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 15:03:09
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: rcmartin@netcom.com

In <7qlrtk$9el$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu (Kevin
Croxen) writes:
> 
<snip>
>Happens from time to time with OS/2's fdisk and Linux (also with NT3.51). I
>personally have had it happen 3 times to me for various reasons. Twicw after
>Linux's fdisk manipulated a partition table that was created by OS/2's fdisk,
>and once when I attempted to install NT3.51 on a larger disk whose geometry
it
>didn't quite understand.
>
>Once OS/2's fdisk believes the partition table on a physical drive is
corrupt,
>fdisk is dead as far as that drive is concerned. OS/2's fdisk can no longer
>even successfully delete a partition (or all partitions) on the affected
>drive. The only solution I've ever found that works is to back up all the
data
>from all the partitions on the physical drive, then partially install
>something really brutal like DOS 6.x to that drive so that it completely
>rewrites the partition table and carves out, configures, and formats its own
>primary partition.
>
>Once DOS has done this, then OS/2's fdisk becomes happy with the physical
>drive again, and you can use it to delete the DOS partition and set up the
>partitions you want. Format them, and restore the data to them from your
>backups.
>
>Generally, if your backups are not currently up-to-the second, you still have
>plenty of opportunity to get them ready, since even though OS/2's fdisk is
>dead as far as that physical drive is concerned, nevertheless all the data
>remains perfectly accessible and the appropriate partitions bootable until
>you've made the backups and are ready to nuke and repartition.

Interesting. OS2 FDISK reports "The partition mapping on drive 2
may be corrupted" for the Castlewood pre-formatted Extended Logical
partition on my ORB disks. 

I have been told that Powerquest also seems to think there is 
corruption. After talking with Castlewood Level2 support I got the 
impression that not all FDISKs are created equal. :-)

OS2 FDISK is happy with the partition though, if I reformat the
partition with Castlewood's tools to a Primary partition under Win98.

After formatting it to a Primary I was then able to delete and
reformat it to an Extended Logical partition under OS2.
Rosemarie
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>--Kevin
>

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               02-Sep-99 09:05:10
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 16:41:12
Subj: JDIR - New Jim Lewis OS/2 Utility

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

A request in these newsgroups for an enhanced 'dir'
OS/2 utility that would show the creation and last
update information, file attritubtes, EAs and more
has been fulfilled by Jim Lewis.  It is free and now
available for download from Jim's OS/2 Web Site
(http://chauvet.com/jim.lewis).

Jim offers a host of great stuff on his site, all for
free download:

Command Line Utils

config - Checks your CONFIG.SYS file for accuracy. You
can save many reboots with this.

crc - Calculate the 16 bit CRC of file(s).

crc32 - Calculate the 32 bit CRC of file(s).

drives - Shows all drive partitions in system, including LAN
and CD ROM. Shows file type  (FAT, HPFS, etc.) and space
remaining on each. Supports large drives.

elephant - Removes forever that annoying "elephant" from Warp 4.

f - Finds any and all files on the system. Can search by date, size,
 etc. A CRC function is  built in. Can show if a file has EAs, run a
command on each found file, and much more. Y2K  compliant.

findcom - Searches the PATH for the command (or file) you name.
 You can omit the extension, and this util will find the correct .COM,
 .EXE, or .CMD file.

grep - Searches files (text or binary) for simple strings. Will properly

 span directories.

jdir - An enhanced "dir" which shows creation and last update info,
 file attributes, EAs,  and more.

rdl - Removes all directories and files under and including dir given
 as a parameter, even read-only files. Does not prompt first, making
 it very useful in batch files.

reptab - Replaces tabs in file with the correct number of spaces.

screen - Ever have something on the screen you want saved? This
 util will save the current  screen contents to a file you name.

split - Splits big files into smaller size files. You control the size.
Also
 includes reminder on how to reassemble the file using the copy command.

strip - Strips the binary chars from a file leaving just the ASCII so
that it
 can be read.

touch - Changes date and time of files. Y2K compliant.

wave - Plays .WAV and .MID files. Wildcards work, too.

                       Presentation Manager Utils and Games

 Memory Status - An app that shows the current time, date, memory and
swap file usage,
 updated every 2 seconds. When requested, also shows location of swap
file, space left on
 swap drive, total ram in machine, sizes of OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI,
location of boot drive,
 CD rom drive, OS/2 version and revision, and time since IPL. Has a
simple Alarm Clock
 function, and warns the user if space is below 2M on the swap drive. On
system shutdown,
 checks the A: drive (and optionally the CD) and warns you if a disk is
still in the drive.

 Targ for PM - A video game (requires 1024x768 or better screen
resolution).

 You can download all of the above in one file called:  warp10.zip.

                                         Java Games

 Targ for Java - Shoot the Targs before they ram your ship. The Targs
get
smarter on every level.

 Lunar Lander - Land on the red landing pads while dodging asteroids.

To miss this opportunity for some of the best OS/2 utilities
and Java games out there today.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                02-Sep-99 12:21:22
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 16:41:13
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

terryfry@toward.com (Terry Fry) said:

>With the current "sleeping" of processors and drives, a machine that
>has "powered down" can use as little as 5 watts to idle.

How much does a hard drive contribute to that?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              02-Sep-99 16:35:20
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 16:41:13
Subj: fixpaks on CDROM

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

Does anyone know of a straightforward procedure for putting 
a fixpak on CDROM? I really do wish IBM would make a CD image
available or at least provide a procedure. Thanks.

Peter Stein
nbi@xnet.com

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         02-Sep-99 16:42:29
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 16:41:13
Subj: How to ...

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

Hi guys,
 
I would like to know How to copy the 
content of an Audio cassette (music), to
a CD-R while using RSJ 
 
//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

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From: joe_remove_wax@hp.com                             02-Sep-99 10:45:26
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 16:41:13
Subj: Re: Printer RAM upgrade.

From: "Joseph M. Wax" <joe_remove_wax@hp.com>

Confirm.

Joe Wax
Not speaking for my emplyer, Hewlett Packard


Prov Mgr. wrote in message <7qkabn$s7h$1@halcyon.com>...
> It's to my understanding that PC type dimms are 168 pin, whereas
>HP laser type dimms are 100 pin. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
>
>--tim


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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  02-Sep-99 11:00:19
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 16:41:13
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

Visit http://www.os2ss.com and I think you will find what you want.  If
you want it for free, you have another problem.

Peter Stein wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a straightforward procedure for putting
> a fixpak on CDROM? I really do wish IBM would make a CD image
> available or at least provide a procedure. Thanks.
> 
> Peter Stein
> nbi@xnet.com

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           02-Sep-99 17:26:12
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 03:37:14
Subj: Re: ORB drive help

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:34:07, fmiller1@fmiller1@home.com wrote:

> In <37CDC4DC.A7C9B2BA@redrose.net>, Dale Winters <dwinters@redrose.net>
writes:
> >Anybody know how to get Warp v4 to recognize and run an ORB drive. The
> >co. puts out win98
> >drivers but they are still working on Warp drivers. I looked at the IBM
> >site for new drivers but
> >couldnt find anything. If somebody got one working under Warp Id sure
> >appreciate knowing
> >how !  Thanks,Dale
> >
> Which version of the Orb do you have??  The EIDE drive "should" work 
> with the new idedasd.exe package.  The SCSI should also work.  The 
> Parallel Port version will require drivers from Castlewood.

Also see the README.RMS taht comes with the new device driver fix 
pack.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             02-Sep-99 10:32:03
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 03:37:14
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: bstephan@redshift.com

The fixpaks on CD-ROM are so inexpensive from BMT Micro and
Indelible Blue that it is not worth the effort to do it oneself.

In <7qm90t$rtj$1@flood.xnet.com>, on 09/02/99 
   at 04:35 PM, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein) said:

>Does anyone know of a straightforward procedure for putting  a
>fixpak on CDROM? I really do wish IBM would make a CD image
>available or at least provide a procedure. Thanks.

>Peter Stein
>nbi@xnet.com


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: arjan.maus@gironet.nl                             02-Sep-99 20:40:05
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 03:37:15
Subj: Should we stop the servers?

From: "Arjan Maus" <arjan.maus@gironet.nl>

Hello everybody,

My company wants to shut down all OS/2 servers at new years eve!!!!
Is this a common thing to do or is it just stupid and not necessary at
all???

Does anybody have a good suggestion?

Arjan


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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           02-Sep-99 19:29:10
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:27
Subj: Re: Should we stop the servers?

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:40:11, "Arjan Maus" <arjan.maus@gironet.nl> 
wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> 
> My company wants to shut down all OS/2 servers at new years eve!!!!
> Is this a common thing to do or is it just stupid and not necessary at
> all???
> 
> Does anybody have a good suggestion?

Given that you have applied the Y2K fixpacks for the servers
(assuming this is Warp Server 4, the latest fixpack available
would be FP41), there is no reason to shut down the servers
this isn't Windows.

However, if you do not have confidence in your power
company and do not have a UPS on each server, it might
be a good idea.


Lorne Sunley

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From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca                         02-Sep-99 19:35:07
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:27
Subj: Re: How to ...

From: racette@cablevision.qc.ca (Martin Racette)

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:52:09, 
jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

> Martin Racette (racette@cablevision.qc.ca) wrote:
> 
> : I would like to know How to copy the 
> : content of an Audio cassette (music), to
> : a CD-R while using RSJ 
> 
> 	I don't think there is a way to do that directly onto a CDR 
> program.  Basically it would be a two-step process, get Digital Audio in 
> your Multimedia directory to store the song in .WAV file format first.  
> I've yet to try this, but you should be able to play the song on your 
> stereo and have it hooked up to your soundcard in the in-line plug and to 
> record with Digital Audio with the source being in-line.
> 
> 

So basicly I hvae to do it on a song per
song ! :-/

//-------------------------
Thank you in advance

Merci a l'avance

Martin

http://205.237.57.73/

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From: saucedots@eagletcs.com                            02-Sep-99 14:44:00
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:27
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com>

Annie K. wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:47:21, Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com> wrote:
> 
> :Got a couple questions.
> :How does the "SET TZ=" work with OS/2?
> 
>  From OS/2's online help:
> 
>  "Select the time zone to be used for locale based applications.
> 
>  SET TZ=sss ŽŽŽŽŽŽŽ# ŽŽŽŽŽŽŽ ddd ŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽŽï
> 
>  Select the number and name for the time zone to be used in converting
> times to local time.  The time zone consists of three
>  basic elements:
> 
> 
>   sss -       The name of the standard time zone.  This is a string of at
> least three characters. It can contain spaces, but can not
>               contain numbers, or the + or - sign.
> 
>   #   -       The amount of change from UT (GMT).  This is normally a
> number with n optional leading plus (+) or minus(-).
>               Positive times are to the west; negative times are yo the
> east.  Minutes can be specified with a preceding colon.  5.5
>               hours east of Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is specified as:
> -5:30
> 
>   ddd -       The name of the summer time zone.  This is similar to the
> standard time zone name.  This should not be used if no
>               summer (daylight) time is used.
> 
>   To set the time zone for central United States, which is in the Central
> Standard Time, type the following in your CONFIG.SYS file:
> 
>   SET TZ=CST5CDT
> 
>   The following is a list of common time zone names.
> 
>   Note:    Many others are possible.
> 
> 
>   EST5EDT -      US Eastern Time
> 
>   CST6CDT -      US Central Time
> 
>   MST7MDT -      US Mountain Time
> 
>   PST8PDT -      US Pacific Time
> 
>   AST9ADT -      US Alaska Time
> 
>   HST10HDT -     US Hawaii Time
> 
>   AST4ADT -      Atlantic Time (Canada)
> 
>   GMT0BST -      United Kingdom
> 
>   CET-1CES -     Central Europe
> 
>   EET-2EES -     Eastern Europe"
> 
> :I understand that other apps use that environment variable
> :and I've have not had to change the time on my system. So
> :how does OS/2 handle or do the change.
> 
>  Do you mean the Daylight Savings Time change? OS/2 doesn't do this
> automatically, AFAIK. You can do it the old fashioned way by typing TIME
> at a command prompt. Or, there's a nice freeware program called Time868
> that can check your system's time against your choice of time server, and
> change your system's time accordingly. Time868 also contains detailed
> online help.
> 
> :How can we force this to occur?
> 
>  See above.
> 
> --
> Anthropomorphic Hamburger

Thanks for the input, however, I already have my system
setup for DST (daylight savings time).
Now what I have set is CST6CDT, and I have never had to change
the time when the time changes occur.
So somehow the update is occurring or OS/2 is doing it.

I have the following installed and running on a regular
basis: IBM TCP/IP, IBM Peer, Netware Client, 5250 session
to AS/400, Netscape/2.

Thanks.
-- 

                                      Tony,

******************************************************
| Tony Saucedo                                       |
| EAGLE Traffic Control Systems                      |
| Austin, Texas                                      |
|                                                    |
| E-mail: Tony.Saucedos@eagletcs.com                 |
|                                                    |
| For E-mail Reply make the id singular (- the s)    |
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From: derwin@airmail.net                                02-Sep-99 14:55:20
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:27
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Ahmad Jawed Hirobumi Atif wrote:
> 
> In article
<6AA6F7FA629C4A48.7E78D4BD6A3CECFD.5494A38F165B10A4@lp.airnews.net>,
> Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> 
> > J. R. Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > Warp just runs and runs and runs.
> > > I've had it going for a couple months between reboots.  Just try that
> > > with NT sometime !
> >
> > I'll add my concensus to that as well.  The only time I reboot
> > is after a power failure.
> 
> Though its nice that Warp is stable, isn't this practice of keeping
> computers on a waste of electricity and thus bad for the environment?
> Unless one is running a server, what's the point of keeping them on at
> nights when nobody is doing nothing with them?
> 
> --
> Regards, Jawed
> To email directly, please remove the last x.

That's when my automated antivirus and backups run.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                02-Sep-99 15:59:03
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:27
Subj: Re: Should we stop the servers?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) said:

>> My company wants to shut down all OS/2 servers at new years eve!!!!
>> Is this a common thing to do or is it just stupid and not necessary at
>> all???

>Given that you have applied the Y2K fixpacks for the servers
>(assuming this is Warp Server 4, the latest fixpack available would
>be FP41), there is no reason to shut down the servers this isn't
>Windows.

It is true that some Y2K problems can be avoided if the computer
doesn't have to make the rollover at midnight.  I haven't checked
that problem on my Warp 4 machine recently, so I don't really know if
it remains.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: jkovacs@ibm.net                                   02-Sep-99 18:12:19
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:27
Subj: Fixpacks for Dummies (bug)

From: jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)

Good post.  Thank you very much.

Irv Spalten is owner of fixpacks, we welcome his 
participation here, and the bug is his now to fix.

He has said 'If using SERVICE.EXE, you need to use the
ADVANCED funtions', meaning the SERVICE.EXE and commit work. 
I wish he'd comment here.  For starters, I don't see any 
'ADVANCED'.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


In <244526693620218630867678@mwc>, Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net> writes:
>On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:43:10 GMT, Joe Kovacs wrote:
>
>>In <c1.2b8.2S0Tfd$0Fz@cast.grid.ibm.net>, jkovacs@ibm.net   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>>
>>>The old fileswhich are replaced are stored in a directory with 
>>>the archive bit set so you can't delete them 
>>>straightforwardly, all 10 or 50 or so MB of them.  
>>>
>>>When you commit, the commit process brings all the syslevel 
>>>entries up to date and takes off the archive bits on those 
>>>files, so you can DEL C:\Archive\*.* 
>>
>>Correction.  It _doesn't take the archive bit off those files. 
>>Now I don't know what the official thing to do is, to delete 
>>those things after a successful commit.
>>
>>Are we supposed to run ATTRIB and DEL or what?
>>
>>
>>Joe Kovacs
>>Guelph Ontario Canada
>>
>>
>cd \archive (or whatever)
>attrib -r -s 
>del *.*
>
>
>BTW, the 'commit' facility in most recent CSF sets is broken - this is 
>the only way to 'commit' to a service level since 1.38 or so.  It was 
>documented in a readme that came with a CSF set - which one, I have no 
>idea.  Note that I think it's just the commit button that's busted - 
>response file commit may still work.  If you use this method to commit 
>to a service level, the next time you install a fixpack, you'll have to 
>go thru the process documented in the fixpack readme for "No files to 
>service".  I've been doing it that way since fixpack 3 or so, no 
>problems.
>
>Easier than inserting a CD-ROM from MS into your Windows box and praying
>it sees the hardware that you really have and nothing else...  (long, 
>grim, story skipped)


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From: esko.kauppinen@ibm.net                            02-Sep-99 22:23:01
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net>

On 2 Sep 1999 16:35:41 GMT, Peter Stein wrote:

>Does anyone know of a straightforward procedure for putting 
>a fixpak on CDROM? I really do wish IBM would make a CD image
>available or at least provide a procedure. Thanks.
>
>Peter Stein
>nbi@xnet.com

I don't have a CDR so I really don't know about it but I guess
it is a similar procedure what I use with a zip-drive.

I unpack all the fixpaks with diunpack.exe into the zip drive
under a directory like "fixpak11".
I have also unpacked the latest fixt141.dsk there.

There I have a small rexx prog. "fix.cmd" which I run.
I cannot remember where it came from. It is like this:

/* REXX */
'@ECHO OFF'
PARSE SOURCE os2 type invocation
lastslash = LASTPOS('\',invocation)
path = SUBSTR(invocation,1,lastslash-1)
'set CSFUTILPATH='path
'set CSFCDROMDIR='path
path'\SERVICE.EXE'

This works for hard disks and zip-drives so why
wouldn't it work for CD also?

I agree totaly that the fixpaks should be able to
run straight from the CD rom.

I have a set ordered from OS2 supersite but the
time it arrived it contained the old fixpak and
that seems to be the case every time. 
And the files are  .dsk copies which you have
to unpack anyhow. 
 


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Sep-99 20:22:06
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Peter Stein (nbi@typhoon.xnet.com) wrote:

: Thanks to everyone for the tips. Unfortunately neither of these
: sources has any statement indicating that the fixpak can be
: directly applied from the CD. It seems obvious that one ought
: to be able to do that, but who knows.

	The latest fixpak is ready to be installed.  It's the other older 
one's that I believe are simply packaged.

: I'll just apply it the old fashioned way. As far as inexpensive
: I guess everything is relative. I'm used to getting an entire
: Linux distribution for $2-3 so a $15 fixpak CD seems a little 
: out of line.

	<Shrugs shoulders> Then start using Linux more.  The fixpak CD 
also includes TCP/IP updates and some other things if I'm not mistaken.


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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             02-Sep-99 20:50:21
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Help with Mindspring as an ISP

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:35:44, jbrush@aros.net wrote:
 
> >> Anybody got tips on setting up a Mindspring account with DOIP?
 
> Only that I spent an awfully long amount of time wrestling with it untill
> I realized that the username is bsmith@ mindspring.com and not just plain
> old bsmith.
 
> I know I was pissed to see such a stupid configuration, but other than
> that, I had no problems, other than a slow PPP connection so I ditched it.
 
Yeah that threw me for a loop too. They have V90 dialups around here.

Netcom sold out to Mindspring, so even though it appears that I have 
Netcom as an ISP it's really mindspring.  Their service has not been as 
good (more down time) but it's OK overall over the last 4 months or so.
If it gets bad I'll get another provider, but I want one that works with
all OS's from W3.1 to Linux and I don't know who consider.

Feel free to pitch in with suggestions :)


                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             02-Sep-99 20:50:21
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: I got OS/2 2.11... for $1.50!

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:43:25, bv <bvermo@powertech.no> wrote:

> > : And a platform to test whether a code you've built _really_ still runs
> > : on OS/2 2.x. I recall someone here searching for a copy of 2.1 a while
> > : back for that reason. Stefan
> >
> > No real purpose in that anymore, IMO, since it isn't going to be made
> > Y2K compliant.
> 
> For most purposes that is not going to be a real problem. Even 1.3 works
quite
> well "next year" (simulated) with only a couple cosmetic errors.
 
Unless you have critical data that depends on strict date tracking, all
you have to do is reset your CMOS, etc to the year 1972. 


                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              02-Sep-99 21:23:20
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <7qmm9k$puh$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote:
>Peter Stein (nbi@typhoon.xnet.com) wrote:
>
>: Thanks to everyone for the tips. Unfortunately neither of these
>: sources has any statement indicating that the fixpak can be
>: directly applied from the CD. It seems obvious that one ought
>: to be able to do that, but who knows.
>
>	The latest fixpak is ready to be installed.  It's the other older 
>one's that I believe are simply packaged.
>
>: I'll just apply it the old fashioned way. As far as inexpensive
>: I guess everything is relative. I'm used to getting an entire
>: Linux distribution for $2-3 so a $15 fixpak CD seems a little 
>: out of line.
>
>	<Shrugs shoulders> Then start using Linux more.  The fixpak CD 
>also includes TCP/IP updates and some other things if I'm not mistaken.

Hmmm. I previously got to the fixpak page at bmtmicro from another OS2
site and didn't see any answers to my questions. I now double checked
by going directly to the bmtmicro home page and sure enough if you go
to the fixpak page from there you get a different page (one that has
all the answers).

You are correct that it includes other updates and can be directly
installed from CD (via a graphical install utility). Maybe $15 isn't
so bad after all. :-)

Peter Stein
nbi@xnet.com

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From: ispalten@austin.rr.com                            02-Sep-99 21:11:03
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@austin.rr.com>

Peter, IBM doesn't supply the CD image, but there are 2 ways you can
EASILY create it.

1) Run RSU, and D/L and UNZIP the files. Do not apply the FP. Look in
the drive that you specify to have the files placed on for $RSUTMP$.
Guess what that directory is? Run OS2SERV from that directory, and
you've got it.... so just burn that directory on CD.

2) Get the READ.ME from FixTool 1.41, and look at Section 6. It details
how to install a FP from the hard disk. Just put the files on a CD, and
again, you are all set.

Irv Spalten

Peter Stein wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a straightforward procedure for putting
> a fixpak on CDROM? I really do wish IBM would make a CD image
> available or at least provide a procedure. Thanks.
> 
> Peter Stein
> nbi@xnet.com

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From: chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk                       02-Sep-99 20:55:07
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Shutting WARP 3 VIO-Windows without interaction?

From: chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk (Chris H Lindley)

On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:42:17 GMT, falko.tesch@bigfoot.com wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I need two things:
>
>1. A little script that generates a text file with a content like ?It 
>is now 16:34:23? while 16:34:23 should represent the actual time.
>
>2. OS/2 WARP 4 can close VIO-Windows without user interaction ('Do you 
>want to close...?', though being able to shutdown a system without any 
>user interaction i.e. remotely. Any idea how to achive this under OS/2 
>WARP 3 (FP40)?
>BTW: I don't just want to flush the cache and shut the system down, I 
>really want to Shutdown the system!

I thought that setboot /b would perform a correct shutdown
and then reboot the machine!

Could be wrong!!

Cheers
Chris



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Ý  chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk     Ferg on #os/2 and #os2uk, EFnet  ¦
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From: ted@hardwicke.powernet.co.uk                      02-Sep-99 22:50:05
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Installing OS/2 Warp 4 on Pentium II machine

From: ted@hardwicke.powernet.co.uk

Dear All,
does anyone know if there is a problem installing Warp 4 on Pentium II
machines?  I get as far as the third installation disk, and the system hangs
at "loading, please wait".  If there is a problem is there a work around?
Many thanks in anticipation for your help.
Ted

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From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com                             02-Sep-99 21:31:06
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: rgibson@ix.netcom.com (Ron Gibson)

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:52:04, klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu (Kevin Croxen) 
wrote:
   
> :>Which reminds me of a strange problem that I'm having, Warp 3, FP40.
>
> :>I took Linux of a logical partition, say the equivalent to logical drive
> :>H and had to edit my config.sys file for OS/2 on logical drive I (which

> :>Well it all works fine, except OS/2 FDISK gives me really strange
> :>reports, like that the partition table is corrupt, there are no
> :>bootable drives, some of the partitions aren't formatted, Boot manager
> :>is at the wrong location, so on.  However, if I boot with the utility
> :>disks everything is as it should be.  I even went to the trouble of

> Happens from time to time with OS/2's fdisk and Linux (also with NT3.51). I
> personally have had it happen 3 times to me for various reasons. Twicw after
> Linux's fdisk manipulated a partition table that was created by OS/2's
fdisk,
> and once when I attempted to install NT3.51 on a larger disk whose geometry
it
> didn't quite understand.

Yesss...I've heard of this before...
 
> Once OS/2's fdisk believes the partition table on a physical drive is
corrupt,
> fdisk is dead as far as that drive is concerned. OS/2's fdisk can no longer
> even successfully delete a partition (or all partitions) on the affected
> drive. The only solution I've ever found that works is to back up all the
data
> from all the partitions on the physical drive, then partially install
> something really brutal like DOS 6.x to that drive so that it completely
> rewrites the partition table and carves out, configures, and formats its own
> primary partition.

Maybe the Western Digital utility that writes all zeros to the drive
might help too.
 
> Once DOS has done this, then OS/2's fdisk becomes happy with the physical
> drive again, and you can use it to delete the DOS partition and set up the
> partitions you want. Format them, and restore the data to them from your
> backups.

Thank you... 

                      email: rgibson@ix.netcom.com

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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              02-Sep-99 21:51:15
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <37CEE7D6.1DB34495@austin.rr.com>,
Irv Spalten  <ispalten@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Peter, IBM doesn't supply the CD image, but there are 2 ways you can
>EASILY create it.
>
>1) Run RSU, and D/L and UNZIP the files. Do not apply the FP. Look in
>the drive that you specify to have the files placed on for $RSUTMP$.
>Guess what that directory is? Run OS2SERV from that directory, and
>you've got it.... so just burn that directory on CD.
>
>2) Get the READ.ME from FixTool 1.41, and look at Section 6. It details
>how to install a FP from the hard disk. Just put the files on a CD, and
>again, you are all set.
>
>Irv Spalten
>
>Peter Stein wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a straightforward procedure for putting
>> a fixpak on CDROM? I really do wish IBM would make a CD image
>> available or at least provide a procedure. Thanks.
>> 
>> Peter Stein
>> nbi@xnet.com

Thanks. I actually installed a prior fixpak from hard disk and
was thinking of that as a brute force way to accomplish this.
A much more elegant way would be a utility that generates a
burnable ISO image from the downloadable fixpak files, in other
words a utility that automates the image creation so that the 
user only needs to download, run utility, and burn CD. I guess
it shouldn't be too difficult to write something like this.
Anyway, I've decided to punt and buy the $15 fixpak CD from
bmtmicro.

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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                02-Sep-99 17:16:14
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Should we stop the servers?

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <936296740.188083@samba.news.big-orange.net>,
"Arjan Maus" <arjan.maus@gironet.nl> wrote:
>Hello everybody,
>
>My company wants to shut down all OS/2 servers at new years eve!!!!
>Is this a common thing to do or is it just stupid and not necessary at
>all???
>
>Does anybody have a good suggestion?
>

If you haven't done an actual "date rollover" test, then you haven't done all
your homework. Making sure your hardware will roll-over is the most basic of
y2k tests and you SHOULD do it now...

As for Warp Lan Server, with the latest fixpak applied, you'll have no
problems
with the OS. The software you've chosen to run on it may... as will the
hardware.

Do yourself a favor and test your hardware. You never know what lurks in the
bytes or bites from the lurk... :')





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From: davek@clark.net                                   02-Sep-99 21:53:17
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Installing OS/2 Warp 4 on Pentium II machine

From: davek@clark.net (David Kunz)

ted@hardwicke.powernet.co.uk wrote:                                   

: Dear All, does anyone know if there is a problem installing Warp 4 
: on Pentium II machines?  I get as far as the third installation 
: disk, and the system hangs at "loading, please wait".  If there is 
: a problem is there a work around? Many thanks in anticipation for 
: your help. Ted

Installed here on a PII/400 -- flawlessly easy... :).

I would update the install disks with the latest versions of the disk
and CD ROM drivers (ibm1s506.add, os2cdrom.dmd, cdfs.ifs,
ibmidecd.flt... others?).

--
David Kunz
Operator error.  Replace operator and strike any key to continue...

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From: hmuis05@solair1.inter.NL.net                      02-Sep-99 22:31:05
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Printer RAM upgrade.

From: hmuis05@solair1.inter.NL.net (Henk Muis)

ofarrwrk@iol.ie (Rory O'Farrell) wrote:

>In article <cratryftzkqr.fhevau1@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, "Peter Engels"
<p.engels@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> > maybe there is one, but I have added 2x4MB simple PC-RAM to my Laserjet 4
and
> > I have no problems
> > 
>There is a difference. Printer RAM has "Presence detect" jumpers on some
pins, 
>which tell printer the size and speed of the RAM module.  I have seen 
>information published on just what these settings are, but haven't a URL to 

URL: http://www.upgradeyourpc.com/memory72pin.htm

>hand.  I had some 8MB SIMMs, two worked in Kyocera FS1600+, the other two 
>didn't showing up as 1MB units instead of 8MB units.
>
>--
> Rory O'Farrell    Email: ofarrwrk@iol.ie
> Tinode, Blessington, Co Wicklow, Ireland
> Tel +353 1 4582532    Fax +353 1 4582051

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             02-Sep-99 15:38:09
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

Zamp wrote:
> 
> Ciao.
> 
> Anyone got it ?
> Can it work with Os/2 ?

AMD says OS/2 will work with Athlon which is not surprising since it is
x86 upwardly compatible.  The real issue with Athlon is getting a
motherboard.  There are only three models currently available (FIC
SD-11, Gigabyte GA-71x, and MSI MS-6167).  MSI seems to be the most
available but is in very short supply and seems to be only sold in Japan
and Europe.  The first BIOS for the MSI had some problems with some
video cards but MSI released a new BIOS that apparently fixes this. 
Some computer manufacturers also are selling Athlon systems (IBM,
Compaq) but these are not yet available anywhere AFAIK.

From what I can see, no one in the United States can buy an Athlon
system of any kind right now.

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          02-Sep-99 22:36:07
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <37CE675E.A36AC080@powertech.no> bv@bigblue.no "bv" writes:

> As for the future, WSeB certainly is not the "Warp 5" some
> people in IBM were working on, it looks more like the
> intermediate version we heard another group worked on and which
> was never supposed to come in a client version. [...]

A few days ago, a posted URL for some Aurora fixes had "Warp4.5"
in the file spec.  Interesting?
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: jroesner@removethis.stone.kconli...               02-Sep-99 17:04:14
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: telnet problem

Message sender: jroesner@removethis.stone.kconline.com

From: "Jeff Roesner" <jroesner@removethis.stone.kconline.com>

I have telnetd running on my OS/2 box, and I telnet to it fairly often.
 I now have a Solaris machine on my LAN at home and I want to be able
to do some things on it while I'm at work, and my OS/2 box is between
work and my Solaris box.

When I telnet into my OS/2 box, i can't telnet out.  Any host I try to
telnet to just hangs with the:

Connected to : aurora.jeffroesner.net
Escape character is '^]'

This only seems to happen when I telnet to the OS/2 box from outside of
my LAN.  From within my LAN it's not a problem.

Any ideas?

j e f f  d .  r o e s n e r  ||  ICQ 36626514

jroesner@REMOVETHIS.stone.kconline.com  ||  http://stone.kconline.com 

"...he's like a detuned radio..."


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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                02-Sep-99 23:07:25
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:11:43, jawed@comlink.ne.jpx (Ahmad Jawed 
Hirobumi Atif) wrote:

> 
> In article
<6AA6F7FA629C4A48.7E78D4BD6A3CECFD.5494A38F165B10A4@lp.airnews.net>,
> Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> 
> > J. R. Fox wrote:
> > > 
> > > Warp just runs and runs and runs.
> > > I've had it going for a couple months between reboots.  Just try that
> > > with NT sometime !
> > 
> > I'll add my concensus to that as well.  The only time I reboot
> > is after a power failure.
> 
> Though its nice that Warp is stable, isn't this practice of keeping
> computers on a waste of electricity and thus bad for the environment?
> Unless one is running a server, what's the point of keeping them on at
> nights when nobody is doing nothing with them?
> Regards, Jawed
> To email directly, please remove the last x.

My automated backups run at night, and I receive fax's at this machine
from time-zones around the world (I'm trying to get more of these 
people to switch to e-mail attachments).

[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      03-Sep-99 01:13:02
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

bv [Norbionics] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ addition to general poor performance. I notice that Communicator has only
¯ three threads. It is a sign of the inheritance from Windows, and may be

Hardly. This is typical unfounded speculation without any substance at all.

Why I changed to Internet Explorer once was just because *Netscape* had such
really badly written threading and didn't work very well when I had several
www windows open at the same time loading different pages. IE has always been
great at doing several things at the same time and runs much smother than any
Netscape version I have ever used. The reason for this is exactly because IE
is a very well written windows application splitting up it's work on a lot of
native system threads.

For another news group (for the Forte Agent news reader) I yesterday posted a
screen dump of my Task Manager (to show how to easy change the priority of the
Agent process): http://home2.sbbs2.com/mn/Images/Task.Manager.gif

¯ some of the explanation for the sometimes lacklustre performance.

Indeed I agree fully with that's probably the reason, but not because as you
think that it's also happens to run on Windows as well (Netscape runs on
almost all platforms, for good and bad), but because.......   it's Netscape.

Microsoft designed their browser very well. Netscape didn't. Simple as that.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E R
K
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n       http://zap.to/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      03-Sep-99 01:13:03
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Win98SE under OS2 Bootmanager

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Kevin Croxen [Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts] ->
comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ In message <eleS4DQ3N6dS-pn2-djHYtnegeYvs@localhost> - rgibson@ix.netcom.com
¯ (Ron Gibson) writes:
¯ :>Well it all works fine, except OS/2 FDISK gives me really strange
¯ :>reports, like that the partition table is corrupt, there are no
¯ :>bootable drives, some of the partitions aren't formatted, Boot manager
¯ :>is at the wrong location, so on.  However, if I boot with the utility
¯ :>disks everything is as it should be.  I even went to the trouble of
¯ :>deleting all the partitions, remaking and resizing them.  I then
»
¯ Happens from time to time with OS/2's fdisk and Linux (also with NT3.51). I
¯ personally have had it happen 3 times to me for various reasons. Twicw after
¯ Linux's fdisk manipulated a partition table that was created by OS/2's
fdisk,
¯ and once when I attempted to install NT3.51 on a larger disk whose geometry
it
¯ didn't quite understand.
»
¯ Once OS/2's fdisk believes the partition table on a physical drive is
corrupt,
¯ fdisk is dead as far as that drive is concerned. OS/2's fdisk can no longer
¯ even successfully delete a partition (or all partitions) on the affected
¯ drive. The only solution I've ever found that works is to back up all the
data
¯ from all the partitions on the physical drive, then partially install
¯ something really brutal like DOS 6.x to that drive so that it completely

Another good and more simple option (than having to install DOS on the disk) I
have used in such cases is to boot with a DOS diskette and run the DOS util
delpart.exe (it's very easy to find with ftp search and in several archives).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                  PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC         K R A F T W E R
K
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden           ICQ UIN: 689662             2x 300A @ 450
MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se       http://go.to/martin_n       http://zap.to/kw

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From: bstephan@redshift.com                             02-Sep-99 16:29:15
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: bstephan@redshift.com

In <7qmi5o$2g1$1@flood.xnet.com>, on 09/02/99 
   at 07:11 PM, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein) said:

> a $15 fixpak CD seems a little out of line.

Subsequent releases from BMT are only $7, so that might help a
little. I believe WarpUP! from IB is more automated. It will tell
you what on your system needs to be updated, and will install
updates by clicking on a selection. Duane there has done quite a
nice job of it.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: NOarnisSPAM@bellsouth.net                         03-Sep-99 01:13:16
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Color Printer for WARP?

From: NOarnisSPAM@bellsouth.net (Tom Bell)

On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 02:46:54, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

>waltj@jps.net wrote:
>: I am planning to buy a color inljet printer and have been looking
>: at the Lexmark Z51.  Has anyone had any experience, good or bad
>: with it?  Or a better suggestion?
>
>	If you are interested in color printing under native OS/2 
>applications than Lexmark and Epson are really you're only two choices.  
>Lexmark has the edge since they do their own drivers for OS/2.  Lexmark 
>Z51, 3200, 5000, 5700, 7000, and 7200 are the OS/2 supported models.  
>Epson Stylus Color 600, 640, 800 (and a few others) are the Epson 
>supported models.  IBM has their driver EPOMNI for those.
>

I got an Epson Stylus Photo 700 from Office Depot for $120 and it 
works fine with the latest drivers from IBM.  You should see a 
1280x860x? print out on a letter-size photo-quality paper.

Tom

"During my 87 years I have witnessed a whole 
succession of technological revolutions.  But 
none of them has done away with the need for 
character in the individual or the ability to think." 
                 -- Bernard M. Baruch, American
                     Businessman and Statesman
                     (1870-1965)


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From: "operagost"@e-mail.com (remove t...               03-Sep-99 01:55:23
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Important News From Dan Porter of Innoval

Message sender: "operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )

From: Stephen Eickhoff <"operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )>


Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

> In <P_ly3.343$cM2.81390@typhoon1.gnilink.net>, Stephen Eickhoff
<"operagost"@e-mail.com (remove the - )> writes:
>
>    Who the hell are you?  You sure aren't an OS/2 user, or you

Since 1994.

>
> would know about Innoval and their products.  You sure aren't a
> positive person, or you would not have posted this crap.  I have
> nothing but praise for Innoval's products, and I am only sorry
> that there was not enough revenue to help keep Dan supporting
> his discontinued products.
>

I liked Web WIlly and J Street. I said so about Web WIlly in my response. If I 
thought they made
lousy products, I would have shrugged and moved on.

But hey, I won't take it personally. My response was pretty much flame bait
and I expected someone
to bite.


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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          03-Sep-99 02:03:24
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:11:53, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein) wrote:

:Unfortunately neither of these
:sources has any statement indicating that the fixpak can be
:directly applied from the CD. 

 I know from experience that the BMT Micro fixpak CD-ROM has this 
capability.

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          03-Sep-99 02:03:24
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:11:43, jawed@comlink.ne.jpx (Ahmad Jawed Hirobumi 
Atif) wrote:

:Though its nice that Warp is stable, isn't this practice of keeping
:computers on a waste of electricity and thus bad for the environment?

 It depends on where your electricity comes from. Hydroelectric power is 
clean.

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            03-Sep-99 02:24:11
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <jawed-0209992311430001@b-wingpl094.comlink.ne.jp>, jawed@comlink.ne.jpx
(Ahmad Jawed Hirobumi Atif) writes:
>
>In article
<6AA6F7FA629C4A48.7E78D4BD6A3CECFD.5494A38F165B10A4@lp.airnews.net>,
>Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>> J. R. Fox wrote:
>> > 
>> > Warp just runs and runs and runs.
>> > I've had it going for a couple months between reboots.  Just try that
>> > with NT sometime !
>> 
>> I'll add my concensus to that as well.  The only time I reboot
>> is after a power failure.
>
>Though its nice that Warp is stable, isn't this practice of keeping
>computers on a waste of electricity and thus bad for the environment?
>Unless one is running a server, what's the point of keeping them on at
>nights when nobody is doing nothing with them?
>
>-- 
>Regards, Jawed

Sure saves hard drive failures!  I know the arguments are all over the
place, but with reasonable care to keep drives as cool as possible,
leaving them on has given ous way up into the 6-8 year life span on
many of them and zero failures!

The issue is so strongly re-inforced in my thinking, that if at all
possible, on drives which have been up for, say six months or a year on
OS/2 and never shut down or failed ... I always get a tape backup before
we power down!  That stunt has paid off once or twice.  You won't see
any damage until you attempt a re-start.  As well, there is a problem
called 'stiction' which can affect hard drives.

Early on, in our experience, and IBM has long since fixed it, there were
early versions of the smaller IBM drives which had this problem.  We
were told that drives can build up ozone concentrations in the things
during run operations.  In the IBM case, it was interacting chemically
with the lubricant in the drives.  From that point, if you turned the
drive off and let it cool down and sit still for a while, day, two, or
so, the drive wouldn't start spinning again unless you gave it a sharp
twist to free the platter!

Air bearings, heads that are flying on an air cushion, really don't have
a 'life' span in a conventional sense.  When a hard disk stops turning,
the heads and all have to settle on something, surface to suface.  Of
course they are designed for that, in as much as one can design for
those things.  However, the start-up-stop cycle is much harder on a
drive than continuous run, per what has been drilled into my head.

for that I also look at the 'green' deals, energy saving drives that
spin down on inactivity, as what must be ... umm, how do we best put
it.. inherently evil?  Grin!   Maybe in battery operations where there
is no other choice .. but never in an AC connected system.

The few watts that is consumed by a spinning drive is so little
electricty that the data loss from failures is worth far more money that
that which we could ever save from spin-down oriented apps, in my view.

At communications sites which have no monitor running, just a computer
and a few modems tied to the the brain box, a simply RM-1250 APC rack
mount UPS can go a whole day or longer holding the system up with power
failures!

Local power costs are on the order of five cents per kilowatt hour.  At
even 100 watts to hold the CPU and drive up, that's a flying five cents
per ten hours hold up time!  Even at minimum wages, you can't even begin
to pay for even a hour of messing around with this a month!!!!

At least that's the best lay answer I can give to your question and it's
a good question well worth addressing...



//-----------------------------
Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org


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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            03-Sep-99 02:39:08
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Re: Should we stop the servers?

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <936296740.188083@samba.news.big-orange.net>, "Arjan Maus"
<arjan.maus@gironet.nl> writes:
>Hello everybody,
>
>My company wants to shut down all OS/2 servers at new years eve!!!!
>Is this a common thing to do or is it just stupid and not necessary at
>all???

Probably not at all stupid, but not as caused by an OS/2 system in Warp
4 at least at the FP8 level, so said.

Makes even nore sense in WIN xty yty z, one would think...

However a realistic case is a question of the actual motherboard and BIOS
not being to do an auto-rollover to the new year by itself!  We've been
able to test close to a hundred different boxes for hardware Y2K
ability.  We have *YET* to find one more than a year old that will do an
auto-rollover at midnight.

Now it's our good fortune too, but we've only be able to isolate two or
three, I think, that wouldn't run -- if -- you turned them off before
midnight, then turned them back on and hand set the starting date in the
BIOS setup to January 01, 1999!!

At that point, all except a small handfull of the boxes worked just fine
as far as we could see, for at least far enough into the 2000's to be of
any value in the scheme of things..

Perhaps that is what your company has discovered.  That is why they are
asking for one to do this.  You may one of the joyfull souls that will
get to spend happy new year at service to others this time!!

>Does anybody have a good suggestion?
>Arjan

Sure .. do the hardware tests to find out how well these boxes do for
the roll-over, and a variety of Y2K issues including leap-year glitches,
the 2038 glitch and so on, plus how well the BIOS' keep track of things
if they are forced to deal with a two digit 'year' that represents or
can represent 2000 .. and so on.

Do the software tests to find out how your applications fare if set
forward into the future.  Replace aor modify those which can't keep up
with the Y2K ordeal.

Then ..

If your firm is like a lot of firms, you may well discover that in order
to get through this as painlessly and cheaply as possible, all you have
to do is exactly what has been proposed..  Box off before midnight!
Box on after midnight.  Go into the BIOS.  Set the date to 2000 or 00 to
represent it in those BIOS chipsets which can do this.  Then go on your
way bringing things back up on line that are also 2K good code!

//-----------------------------
Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org


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From: vakko@frontiernet.net                             03-Sep-99 02:56:00
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:28
Subj: Clobbering an old install to get HPFS?

From: vakko@frontiernet.net (Paul Neubauer)

I've gotten things pretty much set up the way I want now
and the point was to learn how..  and now I know, for
the most part, how to get Warp Connect to do what I want.

There's one thing that has me puzzled though...

The hard drive I'm using had Win95 on it and I thought
an install of OS/2 with me using fdisk, and then 
specifying HPFS would have eliminated that.

Instead, and I do no pretend to understand, it seems to
have bailed on HPFS, went (kept?) FAT16 and preserved
what win95 files there were.

How do I get this drive to be HPFS?  And I expect to
end up doing a full reinstall - I've backup up what
I think I really need to.

Thanks,

Paul Neubauer

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From: gchiches@big-foot.com                             03-Sep-99 03:02:25
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:29
Subj: Re: OS/2 look alike Window Managers

From: gchiches@big-foot.com (Gareth Chichester)

From the darkness came possum@fred.net (Mike Trettel), who offered 
these thoughts on Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:13:02,

> On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:33:23 -0500, Robert Dohrenburg
<rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Does anybody know about any OS/2 look alike WMs for Linux?
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >Robert.
> >
> There are window managers out thre that approach the WPS in looks, but
> certainly _not_ in functionality.  It's simple really-ext2fs does not
> support or use extended attributes, and without that feature any window
> manager will fall short of what you are used to.  Anyway, you will want
> to look at the icewm window manager, since it was purposely built to
> resemble the WPS in looks.  The latest version is 0.9.4.5, and it
> should be found in the usual archives.  A good add-on is the DFM file
> manager, which can be downloaded from www.dfm.org.  DFM is run as an
> app under a window manager, and is not a WM itself.  It requires at
> least GTK 1.2+ libs for compilation and use.  What would be nice would
> be a theme for WPS like looks under KDE or Gnome, but I do not know of
> any off the top of my head.  Good luck in your search!
> 
> -- 
> ===========
> Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net
> 
> I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

I also have a similar quest.  But I'm after WPS functionality rather 
than looks.  No flames please, but I think the WPS *looks* rather 
dated.  I have OD 1.5 which changes the standard buttons and adds 
more, but comparing the appearance of OS/2 with, say Enlightenment or 
AfterStep it looks rather old.

But what exactly do others regard as the functionality of WPS?

Gareth

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Sep-99 17:52:04
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:29
Subj: Re: How to ...

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Martin Racette (racette@cablevision.qc.ca) wrote:

: I would like to know How to copy the 
: content of an Audio cassette (music), to
: a CD-R while using RSJ 

	I don't think there is a way to do that directly onto a CDR 
program.  Basically it would be a two-step process, get Digital Audio in 
your Multimedia directory to store the song in .WAV file format first.  
I've yet to try this, but you should be able to play the song on your 
stereo and have it hooked up to your soundcard in the in-line plug and to 
record with Digital Audio with the source being in-line.


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From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com                              02-Sep-99 19:11:26
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:09:29
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein)

In article <37ceb4c5$2$ofgrcuna$mr2ice@news.redshift.com>,
 <bstephan@redshift.com> wrote:
>The fixpaks on CD-ROM are so inexpensive from BMT Micro and
>Indelible Blue that it is not worth the effort to do it oneself.

Thanks to everyone for the tips. Unfortunately neither of these
sources has any statement indicating that the fixpak can be
directly applied from the CD. It seems obvious that one ought
to be able to do that, but who knows. If the CD is merely 
intended as a packaging convenience then it isn't worth it,
I'll just apply it the old fashioned way. As far as inexpensive
I guess everything is relative. I'm used to getting an entire
Linux distribution for $2-3 so a $15 fixpak CD seems a little 
out of line.

>
>In <7qm90t$rtj$1@flood.xnet.com>, on 09/02/99 
>   at 04:35 PM, nbi@typhoon.xnet.com (Peter Stein) said:
>
>>Does anyone know of a straightforward procedure for putting  a
>>fixpak on CDROM? I really do wish IBM would make a CD image
>>available or at least provide a procedure. Thanks.
>
>>Peter Stein
>>nbi@xnet.com
>
>
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com
>  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
>   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>


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From: Spike                                             03-Sep-99 04:32:17
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 10:34:22
Subj: Re: Installing OS/2 Warp 4 on Pentium II machine

From: Spike

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:50:10, ted@hardwicke.powernet.co.uk wrote:

> Dear All,
> does anyone know if there is a problem installing Warp 4 on Pentium II
> machines?  I get as far as the third installation disk, and the system hangs
> at "loading, please wait".  If there is a problem is there a work around?
> Many thanks in anticipation for your help.
> Ted

Warp Connect installed on a P II here, but I did have to update the 
install disks. My guess is that is what you need to do as well.

goto:

http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/os_2comp/installa/index.
htm

and follow the bouncing ball.

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                03-Sep-99 00:28:11
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 11:24:27
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Peter Stein wrote:
> 
> In article <7qmm9k$puh$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
> John Hong <jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> wrote:
> >Peter Stein (nbi@typhoon.xnet.com) wrote:
> >
> >: Thanks to everyone for the tips. Unfortunately neither of these
> >: sources has any statement indicating that the fixpak can be
> >: directly applied from the CD. It seems obvious that one ought
> >: to be able to do that, but who knows.
> >
> >       The latest fixpak is ready to be installed.  It's the other older
> >one's that I believe are simply packaged.
> >
> >: I'll just apply it the old fashioned way. As far as inexpensive
> >: I guess everything is relative. I'm used to getting an entire
> >: Linux distribution for $2-3 so a $15 fixpak CD seems a little
> >: out of line.
> >
> >       <Shrugs shoulders> Then start using Linux more.  The fixpak CD
> >also includes TCP/IP updates and some other things if I'm not mistaken.
> 
> Hmmm. I previously got to the fixpak page at bmtmicro from another OS2
> site and didn't see any answers to my questions. I now double checked
> by going directly to the bmtmicro home page and sure enough if you go
> to the fixpak page from there you get a different page (one that has
> all the answers).
> 
> You are correct that it includes other updates and can be directly
> installed from CD (via a graphical install utility). Maybe $15 isn't
> so bad after all. :-)
> 
> Peter Stein
> nbi@xnet.com

If I'm not mistaken, BMTMicro also has a subscription plan which
puts the cost per CD even less than that.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: lazaga1@ibm.net                                   03-Sep-99 01:01:00
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 11:24:28
Subj: StarOffice newsgroup

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@ibm.net>

The following was clipped from the welcome announcement of the  new 
starnews.sun.com news server (staroffice.com.support.starmail).

"B)Operating Systems are a Subjective Matter

We have (and are proud of it) users with different operating systems. 
We welcome OS/2 users in the same way as Windows, Linux or Solaris 
users. Discussions about which operating system is the best are 
pointless and a waste of time.

If you enjoy taking part in such discussions and want to "preach" to 
the un-initiated there are plenty of podiums for this in the Usenet."

Being welcomed by Sun is kinda nice:)

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@ibm.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com



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From: falko.tesch@bigfoot.com                           03-Sep-99 07:06:15
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 11:24:28
Subj: Re: Shutting WARP 3 VIO-Windows without interaction?

From: Falko Tesch <falko.tesch@bigfoot.com>

Am 02.09.99, 22:55:14, schrieb chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk (Chris H 
Lindley) zum Thema Re: Shutting WARP 3 VIO-Windows without 
interaction?:

[...]
> >2. OS/2 WARP 4 can close VIO-Windows without user interaction ('Do 
you
> >want to close...?', though being able to shutdown a system without 
any
> >user interaction i.e. remotely. Any idea how to achive this under 
OS/2
> >WARP 3 (FP40)?
> >BTW: I don't just want to flush the cache and shut the system down, I
> >really want to Shutdown the system!

> I thought that setboot /b would perform a correct shutdown
> and then reboot the machine!

> Could be wrong!!

Hi Chris,
nope! It only flushes the cache but doesn't perform a proper shutdown.
That's the problem!
BTW: I don't want the system to reboot, only going down!

CU/2
Falko



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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    02-Sep-99 05:56:20
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 11:24:28
Subj: Re: OS/2 training?

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

The book "Getting to Know OS/2 Warp 4" is also good.

In article <7qcot5$44o$4@205.138.137.53>,
jbigge@novagate.com (Jerome Bigge) wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:51:29 GMT, morgannalefey@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>I've been poking around the web looking for places that offer OS/2
>>training (I have to get up an running on this fast, and I just don't
>>know much about it, though I've learned a lot in the last week).  I'm
>>not finding much.  There are what look like great classes being offered
>>in Australia, but, well, they're not gonna send me to Australia for a
>>class. :)  Though someplace in the US (or maybe Canada) would be a good
>>possibility.
>>
>>I've got the basics down.  I understand the GUI interface, the point
>>and click, all that stuff.  I need to know more about how it works and
>>how you set things up in it because I'll be supporting a PSF2 print
>>server set up on this OS/2 computer.  I can't be calling IBM every day
>>whenever anything goes wrong
>>
>>So I'm hoping that someone out there knows about some classes I could
>>take. :)
>
>You could consider teaching yourself from books.  Try a major web
>seller like AMAZON.COM.  I also located a "For Dummies" book on
>OS/2 on EBAY.  (www.ebay.com)  Enough to get a person started.
>I'm sure that there were plenty of books written on OS/2 at one time
>or another.  Try a major public library, have them do a search thru
>the library system.  Most libraries are interconnected in a network
>today, and can locate books at libaries perhaps a hundred miles
>away.  So even if there isn't anyone who teaching a class on OS/2
>doesn't mean that you can't get the knowledge you want to learn.
>
>CompTIA A+ Certified Computer Technician
>Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
>Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    02-Sep-99 05:49:15
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 11:24:28
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <DrHNN+Cits4rUzL7DzB2v2Q3aVzo@4ax.com>,
Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:
>J. R. Fox [EarthLink Network, Inc.] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
>» in the park by comparison.  Just about anything I install into
>» NT has the potential to so badly destabilize the whole damn
>» mess -- beyond the capability of util.s like CONFIGSAFE and
>» CLEANSWEEP to reverse -- that I have to seriously reconsider
>
>Which application was that (I'm very curious)?
>
>Have never had *any* application hang any of my NT systems (has happened
under
>OS/2 for me), and no, I have never used or needed any such utility.

I have seen some applications (Personal Communications comes to mind) 
that would die, but some part of the program was still "running" and 
even the task manager couldn't kill it.  You then have to reboot, 
before restarting that app.  On occasion that reboot would require a 
power down/up, because <C-A-D> wouldn't reboot the computer. 
Furthermore, performance sucks on NT.  When I do my testing NT, takes 
me far longer than OS/2 (fastest) or W95.


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From: rolf@itea.ntnu.no                                 03-Sep-99 11:56:12
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 11:24:28
Subj: reading webmail from the commandline

From: rolf@itea.ntnu.no

Hello there

Does anybody know how check webmail (hotmail) from  commandline
(rexx??????????).
Or does there exist any handy notifyprograms?

rolf@itea.ntnu.no

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From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr                            03-Sep-99 10:34:20
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:12
Subj: Re: Shutting WARP 3 VIO-Windows without interaction?

From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr (Stefan A. Deutscher)

On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 07:06:30 GMT, Falko Tesch <falko.tesch@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Am 02.09.99, 22:55:14, schrieb chris@scotgate2.demon.co.uk (Chris H 
>Lindley) zum Thema Re: Shutting WARP 3 VIO-Windows without 
>interaction?:
>
>[...]
>> >2. OS/2 WARP 4 can close VIO-Windows without user interaction ('Do
>> >you want to close...?', though being able to shutdown a system
>> >without any user interaction i.e. remotely. Any idea how to achive
>> >this under OS/2 WARP 3 (FP40)?
>> >BTW: I don't just want to flush the cache and shut the system down, I
>> >really want to Shutdown the system!

What is a "real shutdown"? If you do a graceful shutdown (a la
'Shutdown' menu of the desktop, just as command line version) you will
still have to handle situations where PM apps ask you something, like
e.exe asking whether it should save, discard, or ... a file that got
modified. 

That said, when I do things remotely I just use the reboot thing that
flushes caches and kills the rest; I believe you can tell setboot to not
reboot immediately. Check the online help.

 Cheers,
           Stefan


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From: cocke@ibm.net                                     03-Sep-99 08:03:11
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: Should we stop the servers?

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net>

I have a lot more faith in my server than I have in the local electric 
company.  We'll be shutting our systems down too.



On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:40:11 +0200, Arjan Maus wrote:

>Hello everybody,
>
>My company wants to shut down all OS/2 servers at new years eve!!!!
>Is this a common thing to do or is it just stupid and not necessary at
>all???
>
>Does anybody have a good suggestion?
>
>Arjan
>
>
>

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    01-Sep-99 18:13:19
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <37CD3C79.6433@eagletcs.com>,
Tony Saucedo <saucedots@eagletcs.com> wrote:
>Got a couple questions.
>How does the "SET TZ=" work with OS/2?
>
>I understand that other apps use that environment variable
>and I've have not had to change the time on my system. So
>how does OS/2 handle or do the change.
>
>How can we force this to occur?
>We got a customer that wants to know how they can test
>this change?

Depends on what you mean by "how does it work".

I, for example, live in Central Indiana ... one of 2 states that does
NOT follow Daylight Savings Time (well, at least the part of the state
that I'm in).

My variable statement is:

SET TZ=EST5

EST for Eastern Standard Time, 5 for 5 hours offset from GMT.

If I wanted to force it to automatically change to DST (and back
again) I'd set it:

SET TZ=EST5EDT

I use a program called Time868 to automatically sync my system clock
with the the Naval Observatory. It uses an Internet connection to do
it, is very easy to setup and run, and includes a text file that goes
into much greater detail on the TZ variable than the online help files
in OS/2 Warp do. You can find it on hobbes.

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    03-Sep-99 06:50:28
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: OS/2 Warp v3

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <7qk6og$6ao$1@uranium.btinternet.com>,
"Geoff Foulstone" <gfoulstone@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hello.
>I've just purchased v3 Warp from a car boot sale.
>I am a Windows user and do not know very much about warp.
>Could someone please help me install this, I have a 6Gig HD, what do I have
>to do to get Warp to see my drive?
>Also is there a generic device driver for for all CD rom drives or do I have
>to get the specific one for my CD? (I have the OS on floppies)
>I wouls appreciate help, either by this group or by email to me personally.
>Thanks
>
>Geoff

OS/2 Warp 3 was originally released before the widespread availability
of ATAPI CD-ROM drives, so there are no CDROM drivers for ATAPI (IDE)
CDROMs included. The drivers are available for free download from IBM.

Warp 3 also didn't have support for the (not yet available) large IDE
Hard Drives.

Point your browser to:

http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/miscellb/os_2warp/index.htm

And click on the link to either IDE ATAPI CD-ROM support or Greater than 8.4Gb
Hardfile Support. Both links take you to the same file ... IDEDASD.EXE.
This is a self-extracting executable that, when expanded, will result in
the drivers you need, along with instructions for updating your
installation diskettes.

NOTE: that Warp 3 has 2 installation diskettes labeled INSTALL and Disk1.
The diskette labeled INSTALL is the boot diskette. Disk1 is actually the
2nd diskette used in the boot process.

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From: knud_andreassen@my-deja.com                       03-Sep-99 12:20:00
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Problem formating workstation previous installed with OS/2

From: knud_andreassen@my-deja.com

I have an IBM  workstation previous installed
with OS/2 Warp. It has now been cleaned
(partitioned and formatet) in order to install
Windows98. When used with Win98 we get this error
when we choose START/PROGRAMS that half of the
programs has disappeared!
I have got some information telling me that the
problem is that the pc has previous been
formattet to and installed with OS/2. That OS/2
"makes" a "track -1" on the HD and that I have to
format the HD with a special program to get rid
of the "track -1"  before I install windows.
Can anyone confirm thes informations and do
anyone know what program I have to use to do a
proper format ?

Regards,
Knud Andreassen
Denmark, Scandinavia


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From: Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com               03-Sep-99 12:38:18
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: Clobbering an old install to get HPFS?

From: "Jan Danielsson" <Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com>

[...]
>How do I get this drive to be HPFS?  And I expect to
>end up doing a full reinstall - I've backup up what
>I think I really need to.

I have had to do a low-level format to get things working on some systems.
However, before you go to that extreme.. There is supposed to be a 'delpart'
utility (free) on the net designed to do deal with 'undeleteable' partitions.
I tried it, and it didn't work, but as far as I know, it was just my luck.


 /j



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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      03-Sep-99 15:16:06
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

James Knott [Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services] ->
comp.os.os2.misc:

¯ I have seen some applications (Personal Communications comes to mind) 
¯ that would die, but some part of the program was still "running" and 
¯ even the task manager couldn't kill it.  You then have to reboot, 

It has happened in some very rare case that, even if NT hasn't stopped working
in itself, that Task Manager hasn't been able to kill it. In some case I have
killed the process with the command prompt kill command (NT resource kit) or
simply logged of the computer and logged on again (that has always killed any
such process for me).

¯ Furthermore, performance sucks on NT.  When I do my testing NT, takes 
¯ me far longer than OS/2 (fastest) or W95.

You haven't done your testing very deep me think. OS/2 is a bit difficult to
directly compare as it doesn't run the exactly the same applications (which I
regret as it would have been very interesting to be able to directly combat
such statements like yours), but NT4 running the same application as on Win95
is *much* faster (15-35% faster). This has been shown in several independent
tests by both magazines and NSTL. You can also easily do a real test your self
by running some of the several available application bench marks (they measure
real world performance by scripting typical usage of standard applications).

NT also easily beats Linux as a web server OS in raw performance of serving
pure HTML pages on the exact same hardware. Unfortunately I haven't seen any
such comparison and test between OS/2 and other operating systems (but I doubt
very strongly if it would come close to either NT or Linux on same hardware).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        03-Sep-99 14:10:20
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS/2 Warp

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:13:38 -0500, Dan Casey <dcasey@ibm.net> wrote:
> >How can we force this to occur?
> >We got a customer that wants to know how they can test
> >this change?
>...
>
> If I wanted to force it to automatically change to DST (and back
> again) I'd set it:
> 
> SET TZ=EST5EDT
> 
> I use a program called Time868 to automatically sync my system clock
> with the the Naval Observatory. It uses an Internet connection to do
> it, is very easy to setup and run, and includes a text file that goes
> into much greater detail on the TZ variable than the online help files
> in OS/2 Warp do. You can find it on hobbes.

I've been trying to figure out how to do this myself - we have several
OS/2 production servers.  We've been trying to automate as much as
possible, unfortunately, we still have to do the DST time change
manually.

I've been looking for a program that will do this automatically,
however, all the time-management programs seem to be based on
connecting to a NTP server.

Our systems, however, are on a closed network (non-IP, at that).

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           03-Sep-99 14:16:25
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: Problem formating workstation previous installed with OS/2

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:20:00, knud_andreassen@my-deja.com wrote:

> I have an IBM  workstation previous installed
> with OS/2 Warp. It has now been cleaned
> (partitioned and formatet) in order to install
> Windows98. When used with Win98 we get this error
> when we choose START/PROGRAMS that half of the
> programs has disappeared!
> I have got some information telling me that the
> problem is that the pc has previous been
> formattet to and installed with OS/2. That OS/2
> "makes" a "track -1" on the HD and that I have to
> format the HD with a special program to get rid
> of the "track -1"  before I install windows.
> Can anyone confirm thes informations and do
> anyone know what program I have to use to do a
> proper format ?
> 

I have never heard of this requirement. I've only done
this on two machines, but neither of them displayed
any problems with the previous format used on the 
drive as long as the partition table was deleted, the
machine rebooted, new partions specified, rebooted
and then install the new operation system.

The multiple reboots have to be done to ensure that 
the re-partitioning takes effect.

I've done it the other way as well, Win 9X to OS/2 and
the same treatment was successfull.

I've had all sorts of grief installing Win 98 but this happens
on a brand new blank hard drive as well as drives used for
DOS.

Lorne Sunley

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From: "jwise@hal-pc.org"@hal-pc.org                     03-Sep-99 09:12:06
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: Clobbering an old install to get HPFS?

From: Jack Wise <"jwise@hal-pc.org"@hal-pc.org>

Partition Magic can convert a fat file system to HPFS.

www.powerquest.com

800-379-2566

Jack Wise

Paul Neubauer wrote:
> 
> How do I get this drive to be HPFS?  And I expect to
> end up doing a full reinstall - I've backup up what
> I think I really need to.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul Neubauer

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        03-Sep-99 14:21:01
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: OS/2 look alike Window Managers

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

> I also have a similar quest.  But I'm after WPS functionality rather 
> than looks.  No flames please, but I think the WPS *looks* rather 
> dated.  I have OD 1.5 which changes the standard buttons and adds 
> more, but comparing the appearance of OS/2 with, say Enlightenment or 
> AfterStep it looks rather old.

Lousy fonts and an inability to antialias anything will do that...
Fixing those would go miles to improve the WPS desktop's image.

> But what exactly do others regard as the functionality of WPS?

Alas, there's not much out there.  Every WM I've seen seems to
prefer the Windows, Macintosh, or NextStep feel.

Closest I came was running DFM (desktop file manager) under icewm,
and customizing it fairly extensively.

Icewm is the only WM I know of which actually does cascading menus
like OS/2 (actually, better), instead of like Windows.  It still
uses Win-like mouse bindings, alas...

And the DFM filemanager is directly modelled after the WPS.  Not
very pretty yet, unfortunately, but the functionality is getting 
there.  (Although it, too, uses Win-like mouse bindings, argh.)

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From: pvwrght@ibm.net                                   03-Sep-99 10:34:13
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 17:08:13
Subj: Re: AMD K7 Athlon

From: pvwrght@ibm.net

In a recent conversation with a technician at AMI ( http://www.megatrends.com
)
about their excellent Series 781 Olympus motherboards, I asked about future
motherboards in development. The technician excitedly told me about their
upcoming Athlon product release that he said "boots Windows NT faster than
our Pentium III's boot Windows98". He then added (without any prompting) "but
if you want the fastest network operating system around go buy a copy of
OS/2".

"The truth is out there" - Fox Mulder

Philip Wright

David T. Johnson wrote:
> 
> Zamp wrote:
> >
> > Ciao.
> >
> > Anyone got it ?
> > Can it work with Os/2 ?
> 
> AMD says OS/2 will work with Athlon which is not surprising since it is
> x86 upwardly compatible.  The real issue with Athlon is getting a
> motherboard.  There are only three models currently available (FIC
> SD-11, Gigabyte GA-71x, and MSI MS-6167).  MSI seems to be the most
> available but is in very short supply and seems to be only sold in Japan
> and Europe.  The first BIOS for the MSI had some problems with some
> video cards but MSI released a new BIOS that apparently fixes this.
> Some computer manufacturers also are selling Athlon systems (IBM,
> Compaq) but these are not yet available anywhere AFAIK.
> 
> From what I can see, no one in the United States can buy an Athlon
> system of any kind right now.

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            03-Sep-99 15:23:29
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 19:57:18
Subj: Re: the future of os/2

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <Ep7z3UhBC4LX092yn@ibm.net>, lafaix@ibm.net (Martin Lafaix) writes:
>In article <rsucamlnj7164@corp.supernews.com>, mike.luther@ziplog.com wrote:

>>Local power costs are on the order of five cents per kilowatt hour.  At
>>even 100 watts to hold the CPU and drive up, that's a flying five cents
>>per ten hours hold up time!  Even at minimum wages, you can't even begin
>>to pay for even a hour of messing around with this a month!!!!
>
>Sure, but then if you have, say, 1000 computers, even at this rate,
>it will cost you something like $40,000 per year (I'm including a
>screen in this figure).

The future of OS/2, from an operational stability standpoint, is
reportedly far more trouble-free at 1000 computers on the LAN in
comparison to WIN-x, so said from what I have read.  It's, humorously
noted, not at all thread-bare!  Art notwithstanding, (Grin ..:)

So noted..

If you are big enough to have 1000 computers, you will have an MIS
department.  There will probably be a Chief and about one indian per
100 users, right?  The Chief will likely be paid between $20 USA per
hour and $40 USA per hour or maybe up.  Indians come in at anywhere from
about $10 USA to up.  Hospitals I'm around with 120 - 200 'terminals'
seem to have a chief, an indian and a few part-time scouts.  They always,
to me, seem to be in reactive mode, not proactive mode.

As the level of hardware complexity and code bloat has gone up, it seems
to get more and more reactive and the staff requirements to support all
this junk get bigger and bigger!  That's why, to me, Workspace On
Demand, and competitive things like it seem, to me, to be so important.
The future of OS/2 and things like it that can be genuinely remotely
administrated seems very bright, based on even my little corner of the
world and having to participate in supporting many users on a site.


OS/2 is relatively small compared to the future 'release' of whatever
WIN-NT5/2000 is reported to be, now over 35,000,000 lines of source
code!  Yes .. thirty-five MILLION lines!  It is, to me, a mature, stable
operating system.  Yet, even at that we still have room for such
utilities as CHECKINI and UNITMAINT and GAMATECH and GRAHAM and the list
goes on of all these wonderful tools.

I note increasing humor, each new release of information about the new
latest and greatest-to-be Directory Service that will be 'coming soon to
a computer on your desk with a full GUI object oriented way to 'manage'
the your desktop computer.'

I think of my experience with OS/2 since version 2.x

Thirty-five million lines of code on a desktop?  I read the reports that
the largest competitor loses it ability to 'sew the network up tight' at
about 100 threads??

I postulate your suggested campus of 1000 users and $40,000 to keep the
drives turning to optimize desktop down time for service.

The loss of even one hard disk full of local information takes a
horrible amount of professional time to recover in these places.
Someone else here can comment about an MIS director's views on cost per
incident, but just a couple hours of support plus the professional's
time whose data is in question can easily blow several hundred dollars
worth of time in nothing flat.

Yeah - and with a brand-new operating system that is on round one of
GUI-ville for admin with 35,000,000 lines of code on a desktop??  This
is worse than Samuel Morse's original telegraph message!  It WAS digital
you know, huge grin..:

  ".-- .... .- t   .... .- - ....  --. --- -.. .-- .-. --- - ..--.."

We expect to create a stable hard disk binary expansion on a desktop
of that kind of stuff from thirty-five million lines of source??  You
think Arthur the Dancing Elephant was bad; wait 'til you see Moose the
Jumping Mastedon!

$40,000 will be peanuts for this tribe of mastedons, methinks!

You'd better contemplate leaving the hard disks spining, methingks!

We are, I think, in agreement that hard disks are a different story than
monitors.  Maybe now you will be more in agreement with me than before!


As for the monitor issue, as soon as the majority of 'em get to be flat
screen solid state devices, I'm for turning them off.  Under certain
corcumstances, even with CRT devices, I am as well.

I don't include the screen at the remote sites.  They are off unless
someone is at the site.  As well, loss of a monitor when you turn them
on and off isn't as fatal as losing a disk.

At least you'll be able to see the Mastedon when it is on top of
everything else staring you in the face when you put the new monitor in
that has failed since you 'turned it off.'   Wasn't that a neat pun?

Note .. turning a monitor on and off really is hard on the filaments of
the CRT, if it's a CRT-type unit.  I've watched monitors fail since 1974,
and TV sets since Hallicrafters came out with that first seven inch B&W
deal I used to watch Howdy-Doodie on!  All the stuff I've seen and had to
service as a card-carrying broadcast engineer since 1960, has convinced
me you leave them on too, when the use ramps up to every day, if it ets
to be over a couple hours a day.  I've always turned screen brightness
down, or used a screen saver where needed and it works without
clobbering other things.

When we got to solid-state guts, per my recall, I've seen or processed,
just from memory, only about 10% of video units which failed while
someone was watching one.  The rest were all dead when someone tried to
turn one on next!

>For a few computers, I agree it's negligible.  But it adds up quickly.
>In my experience, APM saves money in the long run.

Nope - the service time to support it all will be so expensive you
simply can't afford to shut the stuff down, is my view.


>[The figure above is quite pessimistic.  Computers are usually not
> used continuously 14 hours per day.

Yeah, but you can make more misery with one garbaged .INI file for a GUI
desktop that you can't recover, than you can make in all those commodity
trading futures you lost on when it went to the bathroom in one second
on your desktop!   Chuckle.

> And you have to take into
> account that you'll also save on office cooling (and heating too, as
> computers are not the most effective heating devices :-).]

I think this one needs a physic powder..

I wonder which twin has the Toni?  Between The Underware is BTU!  If it
ain't an effective heating device; it ain't an effective anti-cooling
device either, my friend.  As any pair of office water cooler romantics!
Heat is heat, no matter which way it goes, mine friend!

BTU as to heating or cooling is just like double entry bookkeeping,
associate!  For every asset, you gottum liabilty, Tonto!  If it takes an
arrow inbound to cool it, it's going to come right back at you in the
firefight when it's tossed back at you from inside the fort!  These
arrows never break.  They, like the lillies, never toil, nor do they
spin.

Remember:

  ".-- .... .- t   .... .- - ....  --. --- -.. .-- .-. --- - ..--.."


>Martin Lafaix <lafaix@ibm.net>
>Team OS/2
>http://www.multimania.com/lafaix

I bettum OS/2 future systems will have very bright futures for those of
us that can use them, compared to some other systems, Bosco!  I used to
pass by a sign on a dorm room every night where a National Guard student
at Texas A&M University had posted the sign..

    "Sleep well; your National Guard is awake!"

Let's see if we can't coin a similar phrase:

    "Sleep well; your OS/2 is awake!"

Yours in Faith.


//-----------------------------
Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org


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From: letoured@sover.net                                03-Sep-99 11:15:22
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 19:57:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 on I-Series ThinkPad

From: letoured@sover.net

>> none to be had.  I'd lova a 600 or such (570 looks good also), but
>> exceed my budget by about 50%.____________

The TP 570 does not support OS2.


Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>

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From: esitea@inficad.com                                03-Sep-99 08:43:20
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 19:57:18
Subj: Re: fixpaks on CDROM

From: Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com>

BMT Micro's CD Fixpaks from OS2SS.COM can be applied directly from cd.
Very simple, gui interface allows installation of base fixpaks and TCPIP
fixes as well.  Have used the CDs since fixpak 37 for Warp 3 and fixpak
6 for Warp 4.  These CDs are well worth the nominal fee charged.

Ezra

Peter Stein wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for the tips. Unfortunately neither of these
> sources has any statement indicating that the fixpak can be
> directly applied from the CD.

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From: Ted                                               03-Sep-99 17:18:10
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 19:57:18
Subj: Re: Installing OS/2 Warp 4 on Pentium II machine

From: <Ted>

ted@hardwicke.powernet.co.uk :

> Dear All, 
> does anyone know if there is a problem installing Warp 4 on Pentium II 
> machines?  I get as far as the third installation disk, and the system
hangs 
> at "loading, please wait".  If there is a problem is there a work around? 
> Many thanks in anticipation for your help. 
> Ted 

Thanks guys for your efforts.
What you have said has clarified my thoughts a little.  These are the
details:-
I am using the same Video Card, Monitor, CDROM, DIMM chip and Modem with this
new computer as I did with the last one.
OS/2 installed fine on that setup.  All that I have changed is the
motherboard and the CPU.
Each of the three installation disks for Warp 4 goes through, but the screen
hangs at "loading, please wait".  I never see the welcome screen  Although
the screen does not change at all after that, if I press "Enter" a couple of
times Warp seems to install.  I assume that it is starting an "Easy
Installation".  Before I pulled the plug on it, it had relabelled one of my
partitions "os2", and had installed a number of files there.
The only problem is that I have no control of the install because my screen
just says "loading, please wait", so I am not able to perform an Advanced
Installation.  This means that I cannot partition the disk correctly, or
install Boot Manager.  Also, it has installed the files to a DOS FAT style
partition.
I assume from all this that the Hard Disk, CDROM and the CPU are OK.  The
problem must be in outputting the video to my screen.  This makes me think
that there must be something in the BIOS that I am doing wrong.
I have one 128MB RAM chip, and I have tried toggling the RAM>64MB setting to
"OS/2" and to "Non OS/2", and it makes not difference.  I have also set the
BIOS to PNP OS Installed - "No"
Is there some other setting in the BIOS that needs to be changed?  The
chipset is an Intel 400BX AGP set, and it has an Award PCI BIOS.
If anyone has any suggestions I would be very grateful.  I really miss not
being able to use OS/2, and it's beginning to get to me.
Ted

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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          03-Sep-99 16:25:14
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 21:18:29
Subj: Re: Clobbering an old install to get HPFS?

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:56:00, vakko@frontiernet.net (Paul Neubauer) wrote:

:The hard drive I'm using had Win95 on it and I thought
:an install of OS/2 with me using fdisk, and then 
:specifying HPFS would have eliminated that.
: 
:Instead, and I do no pretend to understand, it seems to
:have bailed on HPFS, went (kept?) FAT16 and preserved
:what win95 files there were.

 OS/2 doesn't have a malicious install as some MSFT products do. Anyway, 
how is the drive partitioned?

:How do I get this drive to be HPFS?

 You can delete all partitions, and create new ones. Or, Partition Magic 
can switch file systems from FAT to HPFS while leaving your data intact 
(but backups are recommended, of course). You can get Partition Magic from
http://www.powerquest.com

-- 
Anthropomorphic Hamburger

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