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From: tvv@sbs.kiev.ua                                   23-Dec-99 16:16:14
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:26:27
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit Timchishin)

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:17:31, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:

> In article <fIF9M9pMNugl-pn2-JjX9Mo3Oh7Xd@camb0340.capecod.net>,
> xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark davidson) wrote:
> >On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:02:19, "Link Guard Solutions Ltd."
> ><devdir@lgs.kiev.ua> wrote:
> >
> >> SafeFire PPP 0.9 beta 59
> >
> >> Check Link Guard solutions homepage (http://www.lgs.kiev.ua) to get Your
> >> copy.
> >
> >i have tried a multitude of times but am absolutely unable to download
> >the beta from your site.  it is extremely slow and the transfer
> >*never* completes.  please upload the safefire ppp beta to hobbes or
> >another more reliable site.
> >
> >if someone can point me to a more reliable download site for safefire
> >ppp, it will be much appreciated.
> >
> >thanks/regards, .. mark davidson
> 
> Try Injoy Firewall. http://www.fx.dk
> 
> Demo version is 2-user w/no rule-based firewall, but it's enough to
> show you how well it works. Download links from that site include
> Hobbes and BMT Micro (where you can also register it).
Hello.

I don't think that recommending Injoy Firewall to every user is good.
You know, SafeFire PPP and Injoy Firewall are supposed to work at different 
hardware - Serial (or PPPoE) and LAN respectively ;)

P.S. LGS encountered some problems due to too many downloads and now is 
proposing multiple alternative sites: check downloads page.

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    24-Dec-99 12:09:04
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:26:29
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <47fkd6T3ejeb-pn2-roqvOMHJxNEC@tivv>,
tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit Timchishin) wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:17:31, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
>>
>> Try Injoy Firewall. http://www.fx.dk
>>
>> Demo version is 2-user w/no rule-based firewall, but it's enough to
>> show you how well it works. Download links from that site include
>> Hobbes and BMT Micro (where you can also register it).
>Hello.
>
>I don't think that recommending Injoy Firewall to every user is good.
>You know, SafeFire PPP and Injoy Firewall are supposed to work at different
>hardware - Serial (or PPPoE) and LAN respectively ;)
>
>P.S. LGS encountered some problems due to too many downloads and now is
>proposing multiple alternative sites: check downloads page.

SafeFire is based on the same code as Injoy (long story that I won't
go into, here). PPoE (PPP Over Ethernet) is implemented in Injoy
Firewall and currently undergoing the final stages of testing before
release. If you have the need for PPoE (becoming more common with DSL
connections), e-mail Bjarne at FX Communications, and he'll send you
the test version.

There are several different versions of the Injoy product, depending
on your needs. The Injoy Dialer is for dial-up via a Modem or ISDN
Dial-Up. The Injoy Firewall (formerly known as Injoy Gateway) is for
use with a LAN connection via Cable Modem or DSL. I've used both of
these products (the dialer with both a modem and an External ISDN TA)
for quite awhile, and the support from FX is outstanding.

There are also a few other products that FX has available for more
specialized needs. All of the information on their products is
available at their website:

http://www.fx.dk


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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              24-Dec-99 18:35:29
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <47fkd6T3ejeb-pn2-zDf76E91i5nH@tivv>, tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit Timchishin)
writes:
>On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:09:09, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
>
>
>> SafeFire is based on the same code as Injoy (long story that I won't
>> go into, here). 


Well, I don't know about all this hype. Sounds pretty nasty to
me. But I did my own independent review of the two firewall 
products over a 30 day period.

My conclusion: hands down, Safefire was the cleaner more
reliable and less resource demanding product. I have been
running it for months without a single problem.

I encourage all users to conduct similar evaluations before
purchasing and ignore the hype.

Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: myself@pbn.dp.ua                                  24-Dec-99 20:46:16
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: !web accelerator

From: Ivan Klimenko <myself@pbn.dp.ua>

Hi !

	Where i can find something like "web accelerator/download accelerator"
?
Some apps like proxy -  load in backround all links from current web
page
while i read it.

-- 

Ivan Klimenko   [Team OS/2]
e-mail:         myself@pbn.dp.ua
net-mail:       2:464/69.11@fidonet, 2:464/27.26@fidonet
ccmail:         Ivan Klimenko at Privat-Nikopol

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From: nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com                     24-Dec-99 19:35:24
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Nick Saxon" <nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com>

On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 18:35:59 GMT, cotroneo@stny.rr.com wrote:

>In <47fkd6T3ejeb-pn2-zDf76E91i5nH@tivv>, tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit Timchishin)
writes:
>>On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:09:09, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> SafeFire is based on the same code as Injoy (long story that I won't
>>> go into, here). 
>
>
>Well, I don't know about all this hype. Sounds pretty nasty to
>me. But I did my own independent review of the two firewall 
>products over a 30 day period.
>
>My conclusion: hands down, Safefire was the cleaner more
>reliable and less resource demanding product. I have been
>running it for months without a single problem.
>
>I encourage all users to conduct similar evaluations before
>purchasing and ignore the hype.

When I was about to make my choice of PPPOE client, I had
to choose from either SafeFire PPP or InJoy Firewall with PPPoE.
By that time more than month ago I could download a copy of SafeFire PPP but
F/X failed to give me a beta copy of their product, though they
promised. I wonder if it even exists at all.

SafeFire PPP with PPPoE has been working for one month for me,
and LGS has just released a new beta. It's no question for me.

>
>Keith Cotroneo
>cotroneo@stny.rr.com
>


Nick Saxon




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From: bj@fx.dk                                          25-Dec-99 04:07:24
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Bjarne Jensen <bj@fx.dk>

> F/X failed to give me a beta copy of their product, though
> they promised. I wonder if it even exists at all.

We didn't promise you anything, but I personally told you
in e-mail what product you needed and as I didn't see any
order come in, then I didn't send the PPPoE. The test focused
on registered customers.

> SafeFire PPP with PPPoE has been working for one month for me,
> and LGS has just released a new beta. It's no question for me.
> Nick Saxon

You never even saw the other product, but it gladly adding with
hype. Probably LGS gave you their software in return for
smudging F/X products, which they have done several times
before. The fact that you work at (the respected?) Goldencode
company, support pirate organisations and publically give
statements like the above is really sad for OS/2.

--
Bjarne Jensen
F/X Communications
http://www.fx.dk


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From: bj@fx.dk                                          25-Dec-99 05:46:17
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Bjarne Jensen <bj@fx.dk>

> Wow, this is one of the first public messaging resulted from
>"cold dirty war" FX  started. If one could look deeper, he
>would see that there are only dirty words

Sergey Yevtushenko was an F/X employee for ~8 months.
Him and I worked jointly on the device driver and F/X
PAID HIM (I have the bank statements to prove that).

I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
(lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
I have solid proof.

A week after F/X released our Firewall in GA, LGS pops up a
few IP numbers away from Sergey and release the Safefire
Firewall ;).

BOOM, Sergey get's hospitalized because of "heart problems", he
looses his phone connection and his father gets cancer .. He
claims not to know anything about LGS and as he is fired (cause
I know he is lying), he promisses to delete all his F/X related
source code. I have e-mails proving that.

LGS contacts BMT and tells them that LGS developed the device
driver from scratch, using the public documentation only. Later,
Sergey tells the public (on IRC) that he sold it to LGS :) Both
things can be proven, but both things can't be true :)

Just the other day, LGS practically admitted on OS2BBS to have
used code developed for F/X in your Firewall and you have
stopped selling it, while you have another driver in private
test. This totally contradict the original e-mails you sent to
BMT.

BMT gets a third party (using a lot of resources) to examine
the device drivers and find them to be basically alike.
Comparison is made on machine-code level, counting the number of
various instructions and it proved (beyond doubt) that this was
not a coincidence and thus BMT stopped selling your product.

> sent private can be seen from FX guys. I am wondering if some
>of FX marketoids came from MS Corp.

Associating us with MS is a nice manipulation stunt, but
I think you might be underestimating your audience.

Most people here know that F/X has tried to run a fair business
on OS/2. We have NOT gotten rich and the OS/2 market is indeed
limited, yet we have stayed loyal to our OS/2 customers. We have
invested the customer money into a complete suite of
connectivity and security products which can be proven by
looking at our web site and trying our products.

Now, after working for F/X and getting some insight into our
technology, Sergey Yevtushenko (LGS) gives in to greed, fills me
with lies and together with you, he is responsible for some of
the worst marketing and license violating stunts OS/2 has ever
seen.

>At the other side LGS's investigation (FX did not want to do
> fair investigation) showed that there is many questions
>regarding the driver.

Not true. We didn't wish to send source code to ONE particular
reseller (GT-mall), as Benny Ormson (the owner) was a previous
customer for our low level TCP/IP API code. When you started to
use that as an argument in your favour, we did indeed offer
our code to GT-mall, but after seeing the old e-mails from
Sergey and IRC chat logs, Benny didn't even care to see it.
Instead he stopped selling your product and that's without
having F/X as a customer for his services.

> Noone knows who is owning rights. I'd recommend LGS to tell
>all of FX resellers to stop selling In-joy Firewall since they
>are using unclear (and possibly pirated) driver.

I think you should do that, but then at the same time respect
the results of any investiagation :) The fact that time is on
your side and you can constantly change the driver, shouldn't
blur the fact that LGS used F/X components to release a
commercial product.

> would compare SafeFire PPP and Injoy Dialer he could see that
>the Injoy Dialer is fat, buggy piece of software (I don't know
>other reason to produce release with debug code inside).

Debug code doesn't get executed and even though it adds to
the .exe file size, then the extra download time then it's
seldomly a problem with todays bandwidth. We use the debug code
in our trap handler, as an extra service to the customer, so in
the rare case something should go wrong, the customer can send
us a complete stack dump that will speed up the fixing of the
problem.

>While SafeFire PPP is client/server PPP solution, Injoy
> Dialer can't be server due to a bug in the ip address passing
>code. And I think I know the reason of this bug - it is good to
>sell server separately with HIGH price.

Man, you are making this up as you go. There is no bug in the
IP address passing. The InJoy Dialer simply wasn't created to
be a server (thus the name:) as we didn't want to overload the
dialer with user authentication, modem pool management, user
monitoring, etc.

Anyone who studies http://www.fx.dk/connect, will see a server
product that is worth 3 years of effort, selling as cheap as
$35. It's a distributed server that supports RADIUS accounting,
IPSec VPN support, Filtering, server distribution over the
Internet, and much more.

I invite everyone to check this out for themselves, and try to
judge if this is a marketing stunt or a comprehensive product
for OS/2.

> It was good for FX to be a monopolist at the OS/2 SOHO
>communications market.

There are several fair competitors. Just to mention a few:
Internet Gate, iLink/2, Delegate and others. Obviously LGS
bothers me, cause this time I actually paid to get a
competitor and I love OS/2 too much to give up on
the inavoidable pirate efforts from Ukraine.

> about PPPoE support in SafeFire PPP by LGS, WarCast (in few
>hours) announced future PPPoE support in Injoy Firewall and
>dropped the message from LGS.

WE HAVE PPPOE SUPPORT IN YOUR FIREWALL AND ANY FIREWALL CUSTOMER
IS INVITED TO GET THE PLUGIN. The reason why we have been
holding it back a bit, is so you guys won't steal our technology
and our documentation (again).

> single word were seen from WarpCast in LGS since then.

There wasn't much news about Safefire before then either,
as I suspect Warpcast won't bring the news from pirates to
town.

> and even published LGS statement. I mean Steve Wendt
> (http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news). All the answer from FX we
>could see is dirty

If you see it from my side, then you people are continuing
without an end, even though any check of your software have
proven that you are pirates, making a buck of what was once
free (pirated software). I keep wasting resources on you,
and I won't see OS/2 go to pirates without a fight.

> We are hearing this over month. Where is the release or at
>least public beta?

First of all, we have to write our own documentation and we
don't want to send out a new beta each time we have a new line
of code. That leads to awful results, but that doesn't
mean the code isn't there.

> "those guys have stoled PPPoE from it's competitors and now
>can't get it  working!"

But we have it running widely already and we can prove
that too :)


--
Bjarne Jensen
F/X Communications
http://www.fx.dk


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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         25-Dec-99 06:27:25
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:46:35 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:

>I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
>(lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
>Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
>me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
>handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
>I have solid proof.

Timur did, and so did I. I still have E-mails sent to Sergey & answered by
Bjarne.

In fact, I still have the same prob as I did then :)

"InJoy Firewall, Copyright (C) F/X Communications
GATEWAY.EXE version 1.10 (137)
Unknown variable identd.
Unknown variable identd.
FXWRAP.SYS version 1.10 (125)
Informational: Licensed to [Gerry Britton]
Informational: lan0 [24.113.44.155] [00.a0.ff.ff.3d.8f]
Informational: Host [24.113.44.155] [24.113.44.155]
Informational: Priority [45]
Gateway running!
Press Alt+X to stop GATEWAY ..."

Occasionally the "other" machine on my net goes to a spot like www.atic.ca,
or one of the Asus sites(for GeForce drivers) and that site will barf back on
me until I kill the gateway & re-start it. I used to think this was bad Java
code at those sites, but I gave up ~18 months ago when Sergey(then at F/X)
told me they were aware of a few systems with the prob, but couldn't quite
nail down the prob.

Give 'em all hell, Bjarne!




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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              25-Dec-99 10:13:28
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

I'll back up Bjarne on all this.  I'm  registered user of his products and
discovered the SafeFire product from LGS shortly after the InJoy
Gateway/Firewall was released.  I visited their website and also found their
dialer.  I downloaded both to check them out.  I discovered that the
documentation was virtually identical to that from the FX products.  I
checked file sizes and dates and found that the drivers were identical in
size, but the date was just a bit later.  I also noticed after installing the
products that they looked exactly like the FX products and the config files
were the same too.  I contacted Bjarne and he told me about the ex employee
that turned pirate and sent me information to backup his claims.  I have no
reason not to believe him.  Time is on his side, as his products were in
existence first.  Anyone who claims that LGS is being ripped off and maligned
by FX is either stupid or a coconspirator.

On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:46:35 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:

:>
:>I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
:>(lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
:>Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
:>me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
:>handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
:>I have solid proof.
:>
:>A week after F/X released our Firewall in GA, LGS pops up a
:>few IP numbers away from Sergey and release the Safefire
:>Firewall ;).
:>

--snip--

		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
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From: nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com                     25-Dec-99 14:16:18
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Nick Saxon" <nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com>

On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 04:07:49 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:

>
>> F/X failed to give me a beta copy of their product, though
>> they promised. I wonder if it even exists at all.
>
>We didn't promise you anything, but I personally told you
>in e-mail what product you needed and as I didn't see any
>order come in, then I didn't send the PPPoE. The test focused
>on registered customers.

Be honest, Bjarne. I asked you how to get my copy. And you did promise that
by the time of my DSL installation I would find the beta
right on your web site. I AM your registered customer, BTW, I paid you
for Injoy Dialer.

>
>> SafeFire PPP with PPPoE has been working for one month for me,
>> and LGS has just released a new beta. It's no question for me.
>> Nick Saxon
>
>You never even saw the other product, but it gladly adding with
>hype. Probably LGS gave you their software in return for
>smudging F/X products, which they have done several times
>before. The fact that you work at (the respected?) Goldencode
>company, support pirate organisations and publically give
>statements like the above is really sad for OS/2.

Come on, Bjarne! I asked you about that other product, didn't I?
I am still open for comparison, though I paid for my copy of SafeFire PPP (do
you need a copy of my bank statement?).

Yes, I dare to publicly give statements like the above because they
reflect my opinion, you like it or not. And I am free to publish my
opinion at any time. 

I really don't know who is responsible for that mess with F/X and LGS.
I paid for products from both. Is it what you call "support pirate
organisations"? Is it my problem? Now it's obvious that you can't resolve
a long lasting problem of your own and keep involving new people in it
and THIS IS really sad for OS/2.

>
>--
>Bjarne Jensen
>F/X Communications
>http://www.fx.dk

Nick Saxon


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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              25-Dec-99 20:19:08
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <afnkbazvaqfcevatpbz.fnb9jo0.pminews@news.mindspring.com>, "Nick Saxon"
<nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com> writes:
>On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 04:07:49 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:
>
>>
>>> F/X failed to give me a beta copy of their product, though
>>> they promised. I wonder if it even exists at all.
>>
>>We didn't promise you anything, but I personally told you
>>in e-mail what product you needed and as I didn't see any
>>order come in, then I didn't send the PPPoE. The test focused
>>on registered customers.
>
>Be honest, Bjarne. I asked you how to get my copy. And you did promise that
>by the time of my DSL installation I would find the beta
>right on your web site. I AM your registered customer, BTW, I paid you
>for Injoy Dialer.
>
>>
>>> SafeFire PPP with PPPoE has been working for one month for me,
>>> and LGS has just released a new beta. It's no question for me.
>>> Nick Saxon
>>
>>You never even saw the other product, but it gladly adding with
>>hype. Probably LGS gave you their software in return for
>>smudging F/X products, which they have done several times
>>before. The fact that you work at (the respected?) Goldencode
>>company, support pirate organisations and publically give
>>statements like the above is really sad for OS/2.
>
>Come on, Bjarne! I asked you about that other product, didn't I?
>I am still open for comparison, though I paid for my copy of SafeFire PPP (do
>you need a copy of my bank statement?).
>
>Yes, I dare to publicly give statements like the above because they
>reflect my opinion, you like it or not. And I am free to publish my
>opinion at any time. 
>
>I really don't know who is responsible for that mess with F/X and LGS.
>I paid for products from both. Is it what you call "support pirate
>organisations"? Is it my problem? Now it's obvious that you can't resolve
>a long lasting problem of your own and keep involving new people in it
>and THIS IS really sad for OS/2.
>
>>
>>--
>>Bjarne Jensen
>>F/X Communications
>>http://www.fx.dk
>
>Nick Saxon
>
>

Well, once again... I suggest that users fully test the
two products and see which of the two requires less
resources and fewer restarts to get the job done.

The two products may share similar code, but my
experience in running them showed substantial
differences.

Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com                       25-Dec-99 21:41:29
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD )

I'm not qualified to do a byte by byte comparison of the two products..
but, I do know for a fact that F/X hired some guys in Russia..

I know that because I did some proofreading/correcting of popup dialogue
embedded in programming code being written in Russia for F/X.. (I've got
email to prove that..)

and, I also know that in every instance when F/X and Bjarne Jensen could have
taken advantage of me, they/he did not..

I know for a fact that Bjarne has integrity and honesty as two important
basic tenants of his company, his products and his personal dealings with
individuals..

I'd trust him with the PIN code to my bank accounts and charge cards..
and, with my wife..

if he says LGS is selling the code they stole from him, I believe it..
I don't need any other proof. (period)

--
DenverD AT delphi DOT com
All addresses are anti-spam spoofs...you gotta fix'em up to mail me...sorry!



In message <47fkd6T3ejeb-pn2-zDf76E91i5nH@tivv> - tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit
Timchishin) writes:
>
>On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:09:09, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
>
>> SafeFire is based on the same code as Injoy (long story that I won't
>> go into, here). 
>Wow, this is one of the first public messaging resulted from "cold dirty war" 
FX
>started. 

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From: bj@fx.dk                                          26-Dec-99 03:57:13
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:02
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Bjarne Jensen <bj@fx.dk>

> right on your web site. I AM your registered customer, BTW,
> I paid you for Injoy Dialer.

But this is not regarding the InJoy Dialer. PPPoE support is
a plugin for the InJoy Firewall product. I even checked our
e-mail conversation yesterday, just to be sure that I had made
this clear.

Typically people that wish to test stay in touch and I
specifically told you to stay in touch too, which you didn't.

> Yes, I dare to publicly give statements like the above because they
> reflect my opinion, you like it or not. And I am free to publish my
> opinion at any time.

I can voice my opinion too and my sence of justice tells me that
it isn't very fair to badmouth F/X, just because the product
didn't come flying freely.

> a long lasting problem of your own and keep involving new
> people in it and THIS IS really sad for OS/2.

So you think I should just shut up and watch these people
sell software that F/X have funded.

I have bank statements too - wanna see?

--
Bjarne Jensen
F/X Communications
http://www.fx.dk


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: lclark@carroll.com                                25-Dec-99 15:39:17
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 03:27:02
Subj: Upgrade Hayes Optima

From: lclark@carroll.com

When I bought a Hayes Optima 56K Flex, a flash upgrade to v.90 was soon
to be available. I didn't follow up on that, and Hayes was bought out by
Zoom.

Does anyone know where/how the upgrade might still be available?


les clark / edgewater, new jersey / usa 
-----------------------------------------------------------
lclark@carroll.com
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: nospamless@home.com                               26-Dec-99 16:54:27
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 16:43:06
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "gH" <nospamless@home.com>

In <8F994.1858$16.57764@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, on 12/25/99 
   at 08:19 PM, cotroneo@stny.rr.com said:

>Well, once again... I suggest that users fully test the
>two products and see which of the two requires less
>resources and fewer restarts to get the job done.

I've been running InJoy Firewall for quite a while now, never did I need a
restart or anything like that.

>The two products may share similar code, but my
>experience in running them showed substantial
>differences.

You forgot ONE major difference, one is PIRATE SOFTWARE and the other is
LEGITIMATE SOFTWARE... I personally prefer using the legitimate one...

-- 
===Team OS/2, Team OS/2 at Taiwan, ICE News Beta Tester. Bovine Team===
======Warped Key Crucher, And OS/2 ISP CD Project Member. TBA  #3======

     Owner of PC End User Web Site       http://www.pcenduser.com/

      Java 1.1.7 - MR/2 ICE REG#:10510 - OS/2 T-Warp Connect 4.0
                            ICQ# = 8943567

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From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com                           26-Dec-99 17:18:01
  To: All                                               26-Dec-99 16:43:06
Subj: Re: Upgrade Hayes Optima

From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com (George Czerw)

On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 20:39:35, lclark@carroll.com wrote:

> When I bought a Hayes Optima 56K Flex, a flash upgrade to v.90 was soon
> to be available. I didn't follow up on that, and Hayes was bought out by
> Zoom.
> 
> Does anyone know where/how the upgrade might still be available?
> 
> 
> les clark / edgewater, new jersey / usa 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> lclark@carroll.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

Les, goto the following link and follow the breadcrumbs....

http://www.hayes.com/hayes.html

You "might" find what you're seeking, but no guarantees...

George

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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              27-Dec-99 02:22:28
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:04
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <386647ea$1$qnivqjrv$mr2ice@news.nvcr1.bc.wave.home.com>, "gH"
<nospamless@home.com> writes:
>In <8F994.1858$16.57764@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, on 12/25/99 
>   at 08:19 PM, cotroneo@stny.rr.com said:
>
>>Well, once again... I suggest that users fully test the
>>two products and see which of the two requires less
>>resources and fewer restarts to get the job done.
>
>I've been running InJoy Firewall for quite a while now, never did I need a
>restart or anything like that.
>
>>The two products may share similar code, but my
>>experience in running them showed substantial
>>differences.
>
>You forgot ONE major difference, one is PIRATE SOFTWARE and the other is
>LEGITIMATE SOFTWARE... I personally prefer using the legitimate one...
>
>-- 
>===Team OS/2, Team OS/2 at Taiwan, ICE News Beta Tester. Bovine Team===
>======Warped Key Crucher, And OS/2 ISP CD Project Member. TBA  #3======
>
>     Owner of PC End User Web Site       http://www.pcenduser.com/
>
>      Java 1.1.7 - MR/2 ICE REG#:10510 - OS/2 T-Warp Connect 4.0
>                            ICQ# = 8943567
>


Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              27-Dec-99 02:29:11
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:04
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <386647ea$1$qnivqjrv$mr2ice@news.nvcr1.bc.wave.home.com>, "gH"
<nospamless@home.com> writes:
>In <8F994.1858$16.57764@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, on 12/25/99 
>   at 08:19 PM, cotroneo@stny.rr.com said:
>
>>Well, once again... I suggest that users fully test the
>>two products and see which of the two requires less
>>resources and fewer restarts to get the job done.
>
>I've been running InJoy Firewall for quite a while now, never did I need a
>restart or anything like that.
>
>>The two products may share similar code, but my
>>experience in running them showed substantial
>>differences.
>
>You forgot ONE major difference, one is PIRATE SOFTWARE and the other is
>LEGITIMATE SOFTWARE... I personally prefer using the legitimate one...
>

Frankly, I don't feel qualified to make a legal ruling on the issue. Nor
do I understand the intricacies of the relationships between the
parties or their business dealings. That is for the courts.

I am just simply commenting on my experience with the two pieces of
software and encouraging others to do the same. So far, I have
heard little about any actual testing and reporting on the effectiveness
of the two products. I found there to be differences.


Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net                    26-Dec-99 16:20:14
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:04
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net

IF this is an issue, it should be fought in the legal system not in
usenet.    

Assuming there is NO injunction, this speaks volumes.  

The old phrase applies "don't hang with the big dogs unless you can
piss on the big tree".   IF this is an "issue", get a lawyer, and stop
LGS.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Sunday, December 26, 1999 - 04:20 PM
"...they can't stop this thing called Jesus."  Big  Tent  Revival, BTR.
"Genius is 90% perspiration."  George  Gilder
---------------------------------------------------------------------


In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fnayb90.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/25/1999 
   at 10:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:

I'll back up Bjarne on all this.  I'm  registered user of his products
and discovered the SafeFire product from LGS shortly after the InJoy
Gateway/Firewall was released.  I visited their website and also found
their dialer.  I downloaded both to check them out.  I discovered that
the documentation was virtually identical to that from the FX products. 
I checked file sizes and dates and found that the drivers were
identical in size, but the date was just a bit later.  I also noticed
after installing the products that they looked exactly like the FX
products and the config files were the same too.  I contacted Bjarne
and he told me about the ex employee that turned pirate and sent me
information to backup his claims.  I have no reason not to believe him. 
Time is on his side, as his products were in existence first.  Anyone
who claims that LGS is being ripped off and maligned by FX is either
stupid or a coconspirator.

On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:46:35 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:

:>
:>I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
:>(lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
:>Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
:>me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
:>handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
:>I have solid proof.
:>
:>A week after F/X released our Firewall in GA, LGS pops up a
:>few IP numbers away from Sergey and release the Safefire
:>Firewall ;).
:>

--snip--

		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699




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From: huffd@nls.net                                     27-Dec-99 05:18:29
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:04
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

Yea, and you sound like the type that would buy stolen goods, be damned which
old
lady got stabbed over it.

cotroneo@stny.rr.com wrote:

> In <47fkd6T3ejeb-pn2-zDf76E91i5nH@tivv>, tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit Timchishin)
writes:
> >On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:09:09, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:
> >
> >
> >> SafeFire is based on the same code as Injoy (long story that I won't
> >> go into, here).
>
> Well, I don't know about all this hype. Sounds pretty nasty to
> me. But I did my own independent review of the two firewall
> products over a 30 day period.
>
> My conclusion: hands down, Safefire was the cleaner more
> reliable and less resource demanding product. I have been
> running it for months without a single problem.
>
> I encourage all users to conduct similar evaluations before
> purchasing and ignore the hype.
>
> Keith Cotroneo
> cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           27-Dec-99 14:40:06
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:04
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fndymj1.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/27/99 
   at 01:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:

>LGS is in Russia.

In Ukraine, if difference metters (it does, for US government external
policy at least).

>  Try prosecuting anyone for anything in Russia from
>another country.  You will get no where and even if you win in court, the
>verdict will be unenforcable, so here we are.

Why in Russia (or Ukraine, in this case)? Bjarne claims he has enough
proof for the fact of pirating his software, so what? Open a case in your
country, win it and issue a call to stop distributing this software
everywhere in the world (copyright is supported by international laws I
assume). Then, with the _legal_ decision in his hands, he can campain
against LGS anywhere, including Usenet.

I know it will be expensive, but the "cheap" way Bjarne has chosen
resembles blackmailing too much to my ears.

>On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:20:28 -0600, wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net wrote:

>:>IF this is an issue, it should be fought in the legal system not in
>:>usenet.    
>:>
>:>Assuming there is NO injunction, this speaks volumes.  
>:>
>:>The old phrase applies "don't hang with the big dogs unless you can
>:>piss on the big tree".   IF this is an "issue", get a lawyer, and stop
>:>LGS.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           27-Dec-99 14:49:18
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:04
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fnayb90.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/25/99 
   at 10:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:

Did you see contract Bjarne has with this developer? Did contract terms
prevent him from developing his own software in the same field? Without
all these legaleeze stuff it is worth nothing debating here. This is a
legal issue, and it should be decided in court. This is the only sensible
way.

>I'll back up Bjarne on all this.  I'm  registered user of his products
>and discovered the SafeFire product from LGS shortly after the InJoy
>Gateway/Firewall was released.  I visited their website and also found
>their dialer.  I downloaded both to check them out.  I discovered that
>the documentation was virtually identical to that from the FX products. 

The explanation for this one is simple - nobody at LGS knows English good
enough to wrote their own international version of documentation, so they
borrowed most of phrasing from a similar product documentation. Wether it
is good or bad I don't know, pretty common in GPL world but could be a
copyright issue in this particular case... Again, this is a legal point,
and it should be addressed by lawyers, not Usenet average audience.

>I checked file sizes and dates and found that the drivers were identical
>in size, but the date was just a bit later.  I also noticed after
>installing the products that they looked exactly like the FX products and
>the config files were the same too.  I contacted Bjarne and he told me

The major difference I noticed here (apart for price) is that none of FX
products never worked for me due to numerous bugs (err, design features),
while LGS one is exeptionally efficient and stable. If this is what you
call "pirating"... 

>about the ex employee that turned pirate and sent me information to
>backup his claims.  I have no reason not to believe him.  Time is on his
>side, as his products were in existence first.  Anyone who claims that
>LGS is being ripped off and maligned by FX is either stupid or a
>coconspirator.

>On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:46:35 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:

>:>I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
>:>(lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
>:>Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
>:>me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
>:>handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
>:>I have solid proof.
>:>
>:>A week after F/X released our Firewall in GA, LGS pops up a
>:>few IP numbers away from Sergey and release the Safefire
>:>Firewall ;).
>:>

>--snip--

>		Chris Stumpf
>		C.S.E. Computer Services
>		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
>		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
>		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
>		

>web:    http://cse.anterras.net
>email:	cse@anterras.net
>phone: (732)496-4699



-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: hharris@netcomuk.co.uk                            27-Dec-99 10:41:06
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:04
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Howard Harris" <hharris@netcomuk.co.uk>

On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:54:54 GMT, gH wrote:


>You forgot ONE major difference, one is PIRATE SOFTWARE and the other is
>LEGITIMATE SOFTWARE... I personally prefer using the legitimate one...

In Russia, as in many other countries outside of the blessed bloated end of
the global market, you might find it quite challenging to come across
software that was not pirated. That's no excuse for those of us living in the
bloat to latch on to the scams of others not so fortunate.


--
Howard


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From: nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com                     27-Dec-99 08:05:10
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:04
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Nick Saxon" <nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 01:16:05 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:

>Prosecution is next to impossible as LGS is in Russia and FX is not.  Even if
>FX were to get LGS into court and won, the verdict would be impossible to
>enforce with the way things are in Russia.

No doubt, you knew the verdict? Well, then share your knowledge with the
community,
after all, this is what it's all about.

>
>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:29:22 GMT, cotroneo@stny.rr.com wrote:
>
>:>>You forgot ONE major difference, one is PIRATE SOFTWARE and the other is
>:>>LEGITIMATE SOFTWARE... I personally prefer using the legitimate one...
>:>>
>:>
>:>Frankly, I don't feel qualified to make a legal ruling on the issue. Nor
>:>do I understand intricacies of the relationships between the
>:>parties or their business dealings. That is for the courts.
>:>

This is also my feeling.

>
>
>		Chris Stumpf
>		C.S.E. Computer Services
>		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
>		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
>		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
>		
>
>web:    http://cse.anterras.net
>email:	cse@anterras.net
>phone: (732)496-4699
>
>
>

Nick Saxon


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From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com                       27-Dec-99 07:24:03
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 11:16:05
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD )

In message
<E4532ACE2C01F216.20D86209B6A6B34F.997934F102C39DBD@lp.airnews.net> -
wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.netSun, 26 Dec 1999 16:20:28 -0600 writes:
>
>IF this is an issue, it should be fought in the legal system not in
>usenet.    
>
>Assuming there is NO injunction, this speaks volumes.  


picture this: A small company in Denmark hires a lawyer in Brussels Belgium
to sue in "world court" a even smaller group in Russia for the theft and sale
of copyrighted intellectual property..

(that company in Russia, btw, sprang into existance just a very short time
after F/X released their product.....go to DejaNews and search for the
existance of F/X and LGS back to 1996...)

now, just how much might it cost to bring that case to court..
even just to get an *uninforcable* injunction..
probably more than the little company in Denmark made off of all sales since
1995!

suppose that as the rightful owner owner of the property F/X took out a big
loan, hired a lawyer and prevailed in court..
what then?
the little company in Russia disolves, and (since it never had any assets or
worth except the code it stole) there is *nothing* F/X can get to help pay
legal costs..

the best way to deal with this situation is for buyers to vote with their
money:

don't buy from LGS..
don't use LGS software even if they give it away for free..
(which they can since they have no development costs)
eventually LGS will get tired of no income and find some other scam to run..

--
DenverD AT delphi DOT com
All addresses are anti-spam spoofs...you gotta fix'em up to mail me...sorry!


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From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void                      26-Dec-99 21:15:16
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 14:32:16
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman) (Sander Nyman)

Right.  Prosecute a software pirate in Russia.  Good one!  Perhaps you
can cross post this in comp.os.os2.humor.

I can't think of a better way then USENET to inform the OS/2 community
about this sort of a piracy issue.  FX has been incredibly restrained 
in this matter, and it is appropriate, and heartening to see OS/2 
users come to their defense.  Your "big dog" analogy displays 
ignorance, insult, and a remarkable lack of good judgement.

Sander Nyman 

On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:20:28, wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net wrote:

> IF this is an issue, it should be fought in the legal system not in
> usenet.    
> 
> Assuming there is NO injunction, this speaks volumes.  
> 
> The old phrase applies "don't hang with the big dogs unless you can
> piss on the big tree".   IF this is an "issue", get a lawyer, and stop
> LGS.
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Sunday, December 26, 1999 - 04:20 PM
> "...they can't stop this thing called Jesus."  Big  Tent  Revival, BTR.
> "Genius is 90% perspiration."  George  Gilder
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fnayb90.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/25/1999 
>    at 10:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:
> 
> I'll back up Bjarne on all this.  I'm  registered user of his products
> and discovered the SafeFire product from LGS shortly after the InJoy
> Gateway/Firewall was released.  I visited their website and also found
> their dialer.  I downloaded both to check them out.  I discovered that
> the documentation was virtually identical to that from the FX products. 
> I checked file sizes and dates and found that the drivers were
> identical in size, but the date was just a bit later.  I also noticed
> after installing the products that they looked exactly like the FX
> products and the config files were the same too.  I contacted Bjarne
> and he told me about the ex employee that turned pirate and sent me
> information to backup his claims.  I have no reason not to believe him. 
> Time is on his side, as his products were in existence first.  Anyone
> who claims that LGS is being ripped off and maligned by FX is either
> stupid or a coconspirator.
> 
> On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:46:35 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:
> 
> :>
> :>I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
> :>(lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
> :>Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
> :>me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
> :>handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
> :>I have solid proof.
> :>
> :>A week after F/X released our Firewall in GA, LGS pops up a
> :>few IP numbers away from Sergey and release the Safefire
> :>Firewall ;).
> :>
> 
> --snip--
> 
> 		Chris Stumpf
> 		C.S.E. Computer Services
> 		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
> 		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
> 		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
> 		
> 
> web:    http://cse.anterras.net
> email:	cse@anterras.net
> phone: (732)496-4699
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> 
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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              27-Dec-99 10:31:08
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 14:32:16
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:05:20 -0500 (EST), Nick Saxon wrote:

:>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 01:16:05 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:
:>
:>>Prosecution is next to impossible as LGS is in Russia and FX is not.  Even
if
:>>FX were to get LGS into court and won, the verdict would be impossible to
:>>enforce with the way things are in Russia.
:>
:>No doubt, you knew the verdict? Well, then share your knowledge with the
:>community,
:>after all, this is what it's all about.
:>
Please note, I said "IF" FX were to get LGS into court and "IF" FX were to
win.  Please read more carefully next time.

		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              27-Dec-99 10:36:02
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 14:32:16
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:40:13 +0300, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

:>In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fndymj1.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/27/99 
:>   at 01:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:
:>
:>>LGS is in Russia.
:>
:>In Ukraine, if difference metters (it does, for US government external
:>policy at least).
:>
Still the same political mess and corruption to deal with.

:>>  Try prosecuting anyone for anything in Russia from
:>>another country.  You will get no where and even if you win in court, the
:>>verdict will be unenforcable, so here we are.
:>
:>Why in Russia (or Ukraine, in this case)? Bjarne claims he has enough
:>proof for the fact of pirating his software, so what? Open a case in your
:>country, win it and issue a call to stop distributing this software
:>everywhere in the world (copyright is supported by international laws I
:>assume). Then, with the _legal_ decision in his hands, he can campain
:>against LGS anywhere, including Usenet.
:>
Because inorder to provide the court with the proof he needs, he would have
to supena the programmers at LGS and all their source code.  LGS would just
disappear.  The information would be unavailable and the court would not be
able to rule and the case would be dismissed.

:>I know it will be expensive, but the "cheap" way Bjarne has chosen
:>resembles blackmailing too much to my ears.
:>
Blackmail?  You must have a different concept than me.  How is Bjarne
blackmailing people?



		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 27-Dec-99 11:05:28
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.apps, "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
spake unto us, saying:

>The major difference I noticed here (apart for price) is that none of FX
>products never worked for me due to numerous bugs (err, design features),
>while LGS one is exeptionally efficient and stable. If this is what you
>call "pirating"...

I never saw any serious problems back when I used the InJoy dialer, and
I'd certainly still be using it now if I were still using an accoustic
modem to connect to the net.

Could you elaborate on the general nature of the problems that you have
encountered with InJoy?

-- 
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      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
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From: nospamless@home.com                               27-Dec-99 17:06:27
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "gH" <nospamless@home.com>

In <386754d8$2$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>, on 12/27/99 
   at 02:49 PM, "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> said:

>>I'll back up Bjarne on all this.  I'm  registered user of his products
>>and discovered the SafeFire product from LGS shortly after the InJoy
>>Gateway/Firewall was released.  I visited their website and also found
>>their dialer.  I downloaded both to check them out.  I discovered that
>>the documentation was virtually identical to that from the FX products. 

>The explanation for this one is simple - nobody at LGS knows English good
>enough to wrote their own international version of documentation, so they
>borrowed most of phrasing from a similar product documentation. Wether it
>is good or bad I don't know, pretty common in GPL world but could be a
>copyright issue in this particular case... Again, this is a legal point,
>and it should be addressed by lawyers, not Usenet average audience.

Bull... Since they had already pirated the software, why reinvent the wheel
by writing their own document?

>>I checked file sizes and dates and found that the drivers were identical
>>in size, but the date was just a bit later.  I also noticed after
>>installing the products that they looked exactly like the FX products and
>>the config files were the same too.  I contacted Bjarne and he told me

>The major difference I noticed here (apart for price) is that none of FX
>products never worked for me due to numerous bugs (err, design features),
>while LGS one is exeptionally efficient and stable. If this is what you
>call "pirating"... 

What numerous bugs? I've been using it here for quite a while now and had
yet to find any...


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From: huffd@nls.net                                     27-Dec-99 05:36:01
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

I hate to even think it but you have become victim of a M$ tactic. And
this time they are out of the country and there will be no court of
appeals, no injunction and no FTC. I am embarrassed by the number of
people that will endorse purchasing a stolen product based on the merit
of it's performance. There is something fundamental missing from their
morality. (I did say it sounded like a M$ ploy, didn't I?)
I followed a thread about this subject May of 1999 and found it
interesting that on one occasion. The boot legged driver passed a
bit-to-bit comparison. That was enough for me.

OBVIOUSLY GREED IS NO LONGER JUST AN AMERICAN THING!

Just you wait Vit, BillG and Bubba are going to be Butt-buddies in the
here-after!


Bjarne Jensen wrote:

> > Wow, this is one of the first public messaging resulted from
> >"cold dirty war" FX  started. If one could look deeper, he
> >would see that there are only dirty words
>
> Sergey Yevtushenko was an F/X employee for ~8 months.
> Him and I worked jointly on the device driver and F/X
> PAID HIM (I have the bank statements to prove that).
>
> I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
> (lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
> Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
> me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
> handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
> I have solid proof.
>
> A week after F/X released our Firewall in GA, LGS pops up a
> few IP numbers away from Sergey and release the Safefire
> Firewall ;).
>
> BOOM, Sergey get's hospitalized because of "heart problems", he
> looses his phone connection and his father gets cancer .. He
> claims not to know anything about LGS and as he is fired (cause
> I know he is lying), he promisses to delete all his F/X related
> source code. I have e-mails proving that.
>
> LGS contacts BMT and tells them that LGS developed the device
> driver from scratch, using the public documentation only. Later,
> Sergey tells the public (on IRC) that he sold it to LGS :) Both
> things can be proven, but both things can't be true :)
>
> Just the other day, LGS practically admitted on OS2BBS to have
> used code developed for F/X in your Firewall and you have
> stopped selling it, while you have another driver in private
> test. This totally contradict the original e-mails you sent to
> BMT.
>
> BMT gets a third party (using a lot of resources) to examine
> the device drivers and find them to be basically alike.
> Comparison is made on machine-code level, counting the number of
> various instructions and it proved (beyond doubt) that this was
> not a coincidence and thus BMT stopped selling your product.
>
> > sent private can be seen from FX guys. I am wondering if some
> >of FX marketoids came from MS Corp.
>
> Associating us with MS is a nice manipulation stunt, but
> I think you might be underestimating your audience.
>
> Most people here know that F/X has tried to run a fair business
> on OS/2. We have NOT gotten rich and the OS/2 market is indeed
> limited, yet we have stayed loyal to our OS/2 customers. We have
> invested the customer money into a complete suite of
> connectivity and security products which can be proven by
> looking at our web site and trying our products.
>
> Now, after working for F/X and getting some insight into our
> technology, Sergey Yevtushenko (LGS) gives in to greed, fills me
> with lies and together with you, he is responsible for some of
> the worst marketing and license violating stunts OS/2 has ever
> seen.
>
> >At the other side LGS's investigation (FX did not want to do
> > fair investigation) showed that there is many questions
> >regarding the driver.
>
> Not true. We didn't wish to send source code to ONE particular
> reseller (GT-mall), as Benny Ormson (the owner) was a previous
> customer for our low level TCP/IP API code. When you started to
> use that as an argument in your favour, we did indeed offer
> our code to GT-mall, but after seeing the old e-mails from
> Sergey and IRC chat logs, Benny didn't even care to see it.
> Instead he stopped selling your product and that's without
> having F/X as a customer for his services.
>
> > Noone knows who is owning rights. I'd recommend LGS to tell
> >all of FX resellers to stop selling In-joy Firewall since they
> >are using unclear (and possibly pirated) driver.
>
> I think you should do that, but then at the same time respect
> the results of any investiagation :) The fact that time is on
> your side and you can constantly change the driver, shouldn't
> blur the fact that LGS used F/X components to release a
> commercial product.
>
> > would compare SafeFire PPP and Injoy Dialer he could see that
> >the Injoy Dialer is fat, buggy piece of software (I don't know
> >other reason to produce release with debug code inside).
>
> Debug code doesn't get executed and even though it adds to
> the .exe file size, then the extra download time then it's
> seldomly a problem with todays bandwidth. We use the debug code
> in our trap handler, as an extra service to the customer, so in
> the rare case something should go wrong, the customer can send
> us a complete stack dump that will speed up the fixing of the
> problem.
>
> >While SafeFire PPP is client/server PPP solution, Injoy
> > Dialer can't be server due to a bug in the ip address passing
> >code. And I think I know the reason of this bug - it is good to
> >sell server separately with HIGH price.
>
> Man, you are making this up as you go. There is no bug in the
> IP address passing. The InJoy Dialer simply wasn't created to
> be a server (thus the name:) as we didn't want to overload the
> dialer with user authentication, modem pool management, user
> monitoring, etc.
>
> Anyone who studies http://www.fx.dk/connect, will see a server
> product that is worth 3 years of effort, selling as cheap as
> $35. It's a distributed server that supports RADIUS accounting,
> IPSec VPN support, Filtering, server distribution over the
> Internet, and much more.
>
> I invite everyone to check this out for themselves, and try to
> judge if this is a marketing stunt or a comprehensive product
> for OS/2.
>
> > It was good for FX to be a monopolist at the OS/2 SOHO
> >communications market.
>
> There are several fair competitors. Just to mention a few:
> Internet Gate, iLink/2, Delegate and others. Obviously LGS
> bothers me, cause this time I actually paid to get a
> competitor and I love OS/2 too much to give up on
> the inavoidable pirate efforts from Ukraine.
>
> > about PPPoE support in SafeFire PPP by LGS, WarCast (in few
> >hours) announced future PPPoE support in Injoy Firewall and
> >dropped the message from LGS.
>
> WE HAVE PPPOE SUPPORT IN YOUR FIREWALL AND ANY FIREWALL CUSTOMER
> IS INVITED TO GET THE PLUGIN. The reason why we have been
> holding it back a bit, is so you guys won't steal our technology
> and our documentation (again).
>
> > single word were seen from WarpCast in LGS since then.
>
> There wasn't much news about Safefire before then either,
> as I suspect Warpcast won't bring the news from pirates to
> town.
>
> > and even published LGS statement. I mean Steve Wendt
> > (http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news). All the answer from FX we
> >could see is dirty
>
> If you see it from my side, then you people are continuing
> without an end, even though any check of your software have
> proven that you are pirates, making a buck of what was once
> free (pirated software). I keep wasting resources on you,
> and I won't see OS/2 go to pirates without a fight.
>
> > We are hearing this over month. Where is the release or at
> >least public beta?
>
> First of all, we have to write our own documentation and we
> don't want to send out a new beta each time we have a new line
> of code. That leads to awful results, but that doesn't
> mean the code isn't there.
>
> > "those guys have stoled PPPoE from it's competitors and now
> >can't get it  working!"
>
> But we have it running widely already and we can prove
> that too :)
>
> --
> Bjarne Jensen
> F/X Communications
> http://www.fx.dk
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: huffd@nls.net                                     27-Dec-99 04:54:28
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

Pull your head out of your ass have you ever tried and international case?
This may be their only recourse. Too many people backed away from MicroScum
because they didn't have the average $24 million dollars M$ was willing to
throw away EACH AND EVERY TIME. Fight any way you can!

wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net wrote:

> IF this is an issue, it should be fought in the legal system not in
> usenet.
>
> Assuming there is NO injunction, this speaks volumes.
>
> The old phrase applies "don't hang with the big dogs unless you can
> piss on the big tree".   IF this is an "issue", get a lawyer, and stop
> LGS.
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Sunday, December 26, 1999 - 04:20 PM
> "...they can't stop this thing called Jesus."  Big  Tent  Revival, BTR.
> "Genius is 90% perspiration."  George  Gilder
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fnayb90.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/25/1999
>    at 10:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:
>
> I'll back up Bjarne on all this.  I'm  registered user of his products
> and discovered the SafeFire product from LGS shortly after the InJoy
> Gateway/Firewall was released.  I visited their website and also found
> their dialer.  I downloaded both to check them out.  I discovered that
> the documentation was virtually identical to that from the FX products.
> I checked file sizes and dates and found that the drivers were
> identical in size, but the date was just a bit later.  I also noticed
> after installing the products that they looked exactly like the FX
> products and the config files were the same too.  I contacted Bjarne
> and he told me about the ex employee that turned pirate and sent me
> information to backup his claims.  I have no reason not to believe him.
> Time is on his side, as his products were in existence first.  Anyone
> who claims that LGS is being ripped off and maligned by FX is either
> stupid or a coconspirator.
>
> On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:46:35 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:
>
> :>
> :>I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
> :>(lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
> :>Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
> :>me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
> :>handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
> :>I have solid proof.
> :>
> :>A week after F/X released our Firewall in GA, LGS pops up a
> :>few IP numbers away from Sergey and release the Safefire
> :>Firewall ;).
> :>
>
> --snip--
>
>                Chris Stumpf
>                C.S.E. Computer Services
>                Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
>                Serenity Systems Channel Partner
>                IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
> 
>
> web:    http://cse.anterras.net
> email: cse@anterras.net
> phone: (732)496-4699

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From: dplatonoff@canada.com                             27-Dec-99 17:15:29
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dplatonoff@canada.com

> Prosecution is next to impossible as LGS is in Russia and FX is not.

Just my two cents: it IS NOT in Russia. It's in Ukraine.
There's a whole bunch of countries in the place of the former Soviet
Union. However the western people usually don't care much about telling
any differene between them, although those exist for almost 10 years
already.


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           27-Dec-99 19:34:26
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fneoo42.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/27/99 
   at 10:36 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:

>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:40:13 +0300, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

>:>In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fndymj1.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/27/99 
>:>   at 01:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:
>:>
>:>>LGS is in Russia.
>:>
>:>In Ukraine, if difference metters (it does, for US government external
>:>policy at least).
>:>
>Still the same political mess and corruption to deal with.

I mean that Ukraine, unlike Russia, is treated as "strategic partner" by
US an its European allies. This is in turn highly appreciated by Ukrainian
authorities, to the extent that they may even try to force some
international law decision issued to their companies or residents. This
comment is strictly offtopic, I admit...

>:>>  Try prosecuting anyone for anything in Russia from
>:>>another country.  You will get no where and even if you win in court, the
>:>>verdict will be unenforcable, so here we are.
>:>
>:>Why in Russia (or Ukraine, in this case)? Bjarne claims he has enough
>:>proof for the fact of pirating his software, so what? Open a case in your
>:>country, win it and issue a call to stop distributing this software
>:>everywhere in the world (copyright is supported by international laws I
>:>assume). Then, with the _legal_ decision in his hands, he can campain
>:>against LGS anywhere, including Usenet.
>:>
>Because inorder to provide the court with the proof he needs, he would
>have to supena the programmers at LGS and all their source code.  LGS
>would just disappear.  The information would be unavailable and the court
>would not be able to rule and the case would be dismissed.

Again, I am not a specialist in Denmark civil law parctices, by no means.
But I know that in many countries, the decision on civil case may be
issued in absence of suspected side, and if its refusal to stand by the
court is ruled as unmotivated by objective circumstances than the court
usually decides the case in favour of the opposite side.

>:>I know it will be expensive, but the "cheap" way Bjarne has chosen
>:>resembles blackmailing too much to my ears.
>:>
>Blackmail?  You must have a different concept than me.  How is Bjarne
>blackmailing people?

Yes, I mean that by posting unproved alligations to public forums, Bjarne
is trying to blackmail LGS, to prevent them to distribute a competing
products, not only firewall software in question but their PPP server
also. I am sure there is some more precise legal term for this method
(spreading publicly FUD about competing company/product) but since I am
not a lawyer and my knowledge of English has strictly technical background
only, I can't find it.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           27-Dec-99 20:43:29
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <0x5Z4oHpvSlR092yn@visi.com>, on 12/27/99 
   at 11:05 AM, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) said:

>Here in comp.os.os2.apps, "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> spake
>unto us, saying:

>>The major difference I noticed here (apart for price) is that none of FX
>>products never worked for me due to numerous bugs (err, design features),
>>while LGS one is exeptionally efficient and stable. If this is what you
>>call "pirating"...

>I never saw any serious problems back when I used the InJoy dialer, and
>I'd certainly still be using it now if I were still using an accoustic
>modem to connect to the net.

>Could you elaborate on the general nature of the problems that you have
>encountered with InJoy?

These are problems with InJoy Firewall (for LAN), not InJoy Dialer. I've
never used the latter and all the dispute is about LGS vs FX firewall
products after all.

I have tried to install evaluation copy of FX firewall product quite a few
months ago, so I am not sure I can recall all the problems right now.
First, it refused to work with my NIC/drivers and traped the system. I was
able to workaround this by replacing the NIC, but the firewall plugin
never worked for me. All I needed was NAT and whatever I tried it simply
did not work. Then I discovered LGS SafeFire (still in beta at the time)
and it installed in 10 minutes and worked flaulessly with the default
configuration since then, I even did not bother reading the documentation
thoroughly. So I just registered it. This was before the the FX
alligations appeared.

BTW, I am beta-testing now the new version of SafeFire which has a
completely new NDIS protocol wrapper driver (the only piece of software in
question between LGS and FX, IMO). It has new component design which no
longer resembles FX NDIS wrapping device driver in any way.

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From: huffd@nls.net                                     27-Dec-99 18:31:00
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

Yo Ivan,

This is called lying. You have been a bad boy now go sit in the corner and
shut-up before you implicate yourself any further you aren't really a
criminal.
Just a bad boy now SHUT-UP before you hurt yourself.
Receiving stolen property, even for beta testing is still a crime. YOU HAVE
BEEN WARNED.

Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

>
> BTW, I am beta-testing now the new version of SafeFire which has a
> completely new NDIS protocol wrapper driver (the only piece of software in
> question between LGS and FX, IMO). It has new component design which no
> longer resembles FX NDIS wrapping device driver in any way.
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
> -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           27-Dec-99 21:27:16
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <IbduCvHY3NMR-pn2-0yNW6CKyEID3@209-239-214-169.lax.jps.net>, on
12/26/99 
   at 09:15 PM, nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman) (Sander Nyman)
said:

A person who see no difference between Russia and Ukraine can't talk about
ignorance.

Cheers,
Ivan

>Right.  Prosecute a software pirate in Russia.  Good one!  Perhaps you
>can cross post this in comp.os.os2.humor.

>I can't think of a better way then USENET to inform the OS/2 community
>about this sort of a piracy issue.  FX has been incredibly restrained  in
>this matter, and it is appropriate, and heartening to see OS/2  users
>come to their defense.  Your "big dog" analogy displays  ignorance,
>insult, and a remarkable lack of good judgement.

>Sander Nyman 

>On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:20:28, wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net wrote:

>> IF this is an issue, it should be fought in the legal system not in
>> usenet.    
>> 
>> Assuming there is NO injunction, this speaks volumes.  
>> 
>> The old phrase applies "don't hang with the big dogs unless you can
>> piss on the big tree".   IF this is an "issue", get a lawyer, and stop
>> LGS.
>> 
>> -- 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Bill Sunday, December 26, 1999 - 04:20 PM
>> "...they can't stop this thing called Jesus."  Big  Tent  Revival, BTR.
>> "Genius is 90% perspiration."  George  Gilder
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fnayb90.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/25/1999 
>>    at 10:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:
>> 
>> I'll back up Bjarne on all this.  I'm  registered user of his products
>> and discovered the SafeFire product from LGS shortly after the InJoy
>> Gateway/Firewall was released.  I visited their website and also found
>> their dialer.  I downloaded both to check them out.  I discovered that
>> the documentation was virtually identical to that from the FX products. 
>> I checked file sizes and dates and found that the drivers were
>> identical in size, but the date was just a bit later.  I also noticed
>> after installing the products that they looked exactly like the FX
>> products and the config files were the same too.  I contacted Bjarne
>> and he told me about the ex employee that turned pirate and sent me
>> information to backup his claims.  I have no reason not to believe him. 
>> Time is on his side, as his products were in existence first.  Anyone
>> who claims that LGS is being ripped off and maligned by FX is either
>> stupid or a coconspirator.
>> 
>> On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:46:35 GMT, Bjarne Jensen wrote:
>> 
>> :>
>> :>I tested daily and conducted beta tests toghether with Sergey
>> :>(lots of people participated that will attest to that, e.g.
>> :>Timur Tabi). I used my goodwill with IBM contacts that trust
>> :>me (e.g. Sam Detweiler and several others), to help Sergey
>> :>handle the not so simple aspects of the driver. So, again
>> :>I have solid proof.
>> :>
>> :>A week after F/X released our Firewall in GA, LGS pops up a
>> :>few IP numbers away from Sergey and release the Safefire
>> :>Firewall ;).
>> :>
>> 
>> --snip--
>> 
>> 		Chris Stumpf
>> 		C.S.E. Computer Services
>> 		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
>> 		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
>> 		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
>> 		
>> 
>> web:    http://cse.anterras.net
>> email:	cse@anterras.net
>> phone: (732)496-4699
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

>Sander Nyman

>Tap with hammer here >????< for "breaking glass" sound effect!
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com                       27-Dec-99 18:34:23
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD )

In message <38675235$1$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru> - "Ivan Adzhubei"
<ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> writes:

>I know it will be expensive, but the "cheap" way Bjarne has chosen
>resembles blackmailing too much to my ears.

blackmail a thief??

how could that be possible?
the thief has nothing to loose..

--
DenverD AT delphi DOT com
All addresses are anti-spam spoofs...you gotta fix'em up to mail me...sorry!

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From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com                       27-Dec-99 18:34:24
  To: All                                               27-Dec-99 15:56:10
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD )

In message <386754d8$2$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru> - "Ivan Adzhubei"
<ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> writes:
<snips>
> Without
>all these legaleeze stuff it is worth nothing debating here. This is a
>legal issue, and it should be decided in court. This is the only sensible
>way.

guess what, it is MUCH more than just a legal issue..
it is a Warp USER issue too

and, the issue WILL be decided here..
we don't need a court to tell us that LGS is nothing but a den of thieves and
pirates..

and, there are too many LONG time F/X users who know what Bjarne stands for,
and his honesty...

and they are not gonna let you scam other Warp users..

so few are gonna buy the software you stole from F/X, that soon you will just
dry up and go away..

and the sooner the better.

--
DenverD AT delphi DOT com
All addresses are anti-spam spoofs...you gotta fix'em up to mail me...sorry!

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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              27-Dec-99 01:13:15
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

LGS is in Russia.  Try prosecuting anyone for anything in Russia from another
country.  You will get no where and even if you win in court, the verdict
will be unenforcable, so here we are.

On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:20:28 -0600, wkoep1@N^O^S^P^A^Mfastlane.net wrote:

:>IF this is an issue, it should be fought in the legal system not in
:>usenet.    
:>
:>Assuming there is NO injunction, this speaks volumes.  
:>
:>The old phrase applies "don't hang with the big dogs unless you can
:>piss on the big tree".   IF this is an "issue", get a lawyer, and stop
:>LGS.


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              27-Dec-99 01:16:02
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

Prosecution is next to impossible as LGS is in Russia and FX is not.  Even if
FX were to get LGS into court and won, the verdict would be impossible to
enforce with the way things are in Russia.

On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:29:22 GMT, cotroneo@stny.rr.com wrote:

:>>You forgot ONE major difference, one is PIRATE SOFTWARE and the other is
:>>LEGITIMATE SOFTWARE... I personally prefer using the legitimate one...
:>>
:>
:>Frankly, I don't feel qualified to make a legal ruling on the issue. Nor
:>do I understand intricacies of the relationships between the
:>parties or their business dealings. That is for the courts.
:>


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: huffd@nls.net                                     28-Dec-99 01:21:14
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

Proof where's the proof. Bjarne can prove what he says where's your proof.

Sweet mercy, who the hell are you to badmouth -- "Boasted presumption of
innocence?"

Anything for a buck, since when did you bastards start playing by the rules?

Timur Kazimirov wrote:

>
> This is the only problem of Bjarne. I would like to repeat - without
decision
> all
> his mail is a simple fake. Came on! Where is your boasted presumtion of
> innocence?
>
> With best regards,
> Timur Kazimirov
>
> -- Remove all "z" from my address to reply

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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              27-Dec-99 20:20:29
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:44:05 +0300 (MSK), Timur Kazimirov wrote:

:>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:36:04 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:
:>
:>>:>In Ukraine, if difference metters (it does, for US government external
:>>:>policy at least).
:>>:>
:>>Still the same political mess and corruption to deal with.
:>
:>So as in the any other piece of world. Do not make comp.os.os2.*
:>the place of political battles. There are a lot of newsgroups where
:>you can do that.
:>

I was doing no such thing.  I was mearly pointing out something that should
be as obvios as the nose on your face that you were ignoring.

:>>:>assume). Then, with the _legal_ decision in his hands, he can campain
:>>:>against LGS anywhere, including Usenet.
:>>:>
:>>Because inorder to provide the court with the proof he needs, he would have
:>>to supena the programmers at LGS and all their source code.  LGS would just
:>>disappear.  The information would be unavailable and the court would not be
:>>able to rule and the case would be dismissed.
:>
:>This is the only problem of Bjarne. I would like to repeat - without
decision
:>all
:>his mail is a simple fake. Came on! Where is your boasted presumtion of
:>innocence?
:>

His mail is not a fake, I can vouche for that.  Besides, the presumption of
innocence is for the courts to ensure a fair trial.  I am under no such
limitation.  I am free to make my own decisions and condemnations based on
the facts that I discover.  Besides, just the stealing of the documentation
is reason enough to never buy anything from LGS.



		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: timurkz@saxz.mmbankz.ruz                          28-Dec-99 04:25:01
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Timur Kazimirov" <timurkz@saxz.mmbankz.ruz>

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:12:34 GMT, David D. Huff Jr. wrote:

>Prove that it was not stolen.

Really? Am I need to prove this? Conslut with any lawer, please


With best regards,
Timur Kazimirov

-- Remove all "z" from my address to reply



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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              27-Dec-99 20:30:02
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

I'm not sure who this remark was directed at, but I will address it because I
made the initial remark that spark this.  I realize there are differences
between the nation of Russia and the nation of the Ukraine, but they both are
the same in regards to lawsuits of anykind, particularly those brought on by
people or businesses outside of their country for things like intellectual
theft and copyright infringement.  Only very larg companies can afford to
take the necessary legal measures in every country where their products are
sold to prevent a pirate outfit like LGS from profitting.FX Communications
doesn't even come close to having enough revenue to begin such an
undertaking.  I would say the same thing about any nation that once was part
of the USSR.  Prosecution for FX is next to impossible and even if they won
in court, it would have no effect on LGS because the corruption and
indifference of the gov'ts in that region of the world have no interest in
enforcing a court order from a court outside their country that penalizes a
business inside their country.


On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:27:32 +0300, Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

:>In <IbduCvHY3NMR-pn2-0yNW6CKyEID3@209-239-214-169.lax.jps.net>, on
:>12/26/99 
:>   at 09:15 PM, nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman) (Sander Nyman)
:>said:
:>
:>A person who see no difference between Russia and Ukraine can't talk about
:>ignorance.
:>


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: timurkz@saxz.mmbankz.ruz                          28-Dec-99 04:35:19
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Timur Kazimirov" <timurkz@saxz.mmbankz.ruz>

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:21:28 GMT, David D. Huff Jr. wrote:

>Bjarne can prove what he says where's your proof.

Bjarne (and you too) can prove that only in court. And I am don't need to
prove anyhing in this case.

>... presumption of innocence...

Consult from any lawer about meaning this

>Anything for a buck, since when did you bastards start playing by the rules?

Answer for this by yourself

With best regards,
Timur Kazimirov

-- Remove all "z" from my address to reply



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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              28-Dec-99 02:37:11
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <3867a848$3$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru>, "Ivan Adzhubei"
<ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> writes:
>In <0x5Z4oHpvSlR092yn@visi.com>, on 12/27/99 
>   at 11:05 AM, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) said:
>
>>Here in comp.os.os2.apps, "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> spake
>>unto us, saying:
>
>
>I have tried to install evaluation copy of FX firewall product quite a few
>months ago, so I am not sure I can recall all the problems right now.
>First, it refused to work with my NIC/drivers and traped the system. I was
>able to workaround this by replacing the NIC, but the firewall plugin
>never worked for me. All I needed was NAT and whatever I tried it simply
>did not work. Then I discovered LGS SafeFire (still in beta at the time)
>and it installed in 10 minutes and worked flaulessly with the default
>configuration since then, I even did not bother reading the documentation
>thoroughly. So I just registered it. This was before the the FX
>alligations appeared.
>

This is what happened with me also. Consequently, I did not find the
two products to be functionally equivalent. One worked well and one
sometimes worked on my system.

Hence my encouragement to users to conduct their own independent
reviews of the two products. I am defering judgement of the legal
concerns because of my lack of knowledge of the specific
arrangements. I do feel qualified to judge performance on my system.

Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: huffd@nls.net                                     28-Dec-99 04:57:04
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 02:36:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

Yo Ivan,
The following are the download sites referenced on LGS own site. Do you see
the
.ru? do you understand how domain names are assigned? The internet is a
virtual
world.
The hoods are hiding in the Ukraine the accomplices are in .ru

<TD>Mirror 2 <A
HREF="http://zuko.istu.udm.ru/ftp/users/lgs/sfp09b59.zip">SafeFire&nbsp;PPP</A>
</TD><TD
<TD>Mirror 3 (ftp) <A
HREF="ftp://ftp.os2.spb.ru/pub/lgs/sfp09b59.zip">SafeFire&nbsp;PPP</A></TD><TD
<TD>Mirror 4 <A
HREF="http://logos.relcom.ru/~os2ok/soft/sfppp/download/sfp09b59.zip"

Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

>
> A person who see no difference between Russia and Ukraine can't talk about
> ignorance.
>
> Cheers,
> Ivan
>

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 27-Dec-99 23:27:03
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 03:17:21
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.apps, "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
spake unto us, saying:

>These are problems with InJoy Firewall (for LAN), not InJoy Dialer. I've
>never used the latter and all the dispute is about LGS vs FX firewall
>products after all.

Sorry -- I thought (mistakenly) that the one was an extension of the
other.  I don't use firewall software under OS/2.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           !!!teG I sdrawkcaB eroM ehT oG I sdrawroF eroM ehT

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From: brittonm@sympatico.ca                             28-Dec-99 06:56:03
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 03:17:21
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Britt <brittonm@sympatico.ca>

I would ask that everyone consider the following PERSONAL opinions,

1) Bjarne has spent years providing superb support for his users, no matter
how
small the user, or how large his problem. This has resulted in Bjarne/FX
acquiring a sound knowledge base of this technology. To the extent that now if
you have a problem the chances are FX can resolve it rapidly and accurately.

2) During his association with FX Sergi acquired this experience the easy way,
and got paid for doing it......
I am an engineer and it is standard practice to not use knowledge gained from
employment for 3 or more years, this includes working for a direct competitor.
This is usually legally binding, but it is also a moral obligation that Sergi
has ignored.

3) If FX persue a legal action it will cost money, which would probably result
in prices rising.. so the user ends up paying

4) The OS2 community has from inception, benefited from the cooperation of
individuals and organisations to produce solutions, which has resulted in many
excellent CHEAP solutions (Injoy, SIO, CM2.....) Sergi has jepodised this by
his actions, which I THINK is the first time such a situation has arisen.

5) The issue of debug code, which is normally dormant, shows the FX concern
with solving end user problems. They recognise, probably from past experience,
that unusal problems require more specific information than usual. I am all
for
the inclusion of debug code, if it helps the end user solve hard to define
problems.

6) Bjarne has earned the respect of the user community  the hard way, and I
personally consider it my obligation to support Bjarne. Consider the
ramifications if we, the users, do not support those organisations providing
us, the user, with the tools we need.

7) If Sergi/LGS are willing to found there organisation on borrowed
information, is it not possible that they will resort to similar actions in
the
future. What about the effects on GNU based software., it could lead to a
freeze on cooperative development, and that would be a disaster for the OS2
community.

Once a thief, always a thief.....

Go for it Bjarne... the support is out there

Britt



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From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com                       28-Dec-99 06:58:03
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 03:17:21
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD )

In message <3867a848$3$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru> - "Ivan Adzhubei"
<ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> writes:

<snips>
>In <0x5Z4oHpvSlR092yn@visi.com>, on 12/27/99 
>   at 11:05 AM, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) said:
>
>>Could you elaborate on the general nature of the problems that you have
>>encountered with InJoy?
>
>These are problems with InJoy Firewall (for LAN), not InJoy Dialer. I've
>never used the latter and all the dispute is about LGS vs FX firewall
>products after all.
>
>I have tried to install evaluation copy of FX firewall product quite a few
>months ago, so I am not sure I can recall all the problems right now.
>First, it refused to work with my NIC/drivers and traped the system. I was
>able to workaround this by replacing the NIC, but the firewall plugin
>never worked for me.

the firewall plugin NEVER works until you register it..
which you never did..


> All I needed was NAT and whatever I tried it simply
>did not work. Then I discovered LGS SafeFire (still in beta at the time)

you didn't try registering it, did you?

did you 'discover' LGS during your search in fido7.su.os2.wanted ..
what WERE you "wanting" in all those posts..
anyone here read Russian?...maybe we can see Ivan Adzhubei's true colors by
reading the posts and see if he was looking for an InJoy crack in:

http://x25.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap,ST_Tracker=0508]/dnquery.xp?search=word&default
Op=and&query=%7ea%20(ivan@protein.bio.msu.su)%20%26%20%7eg%20(fido7.su.os2.wa
nted)&svcclass=dnserver&ST=&CONTEXT=946353004.668139537

<note: there should be no spaces nor end-of-line-feeds in the above line>

--
DenverD AT delphi DOT com
All addresses are anti-spam spoofs...you gotta fix'em up to mail me...sorry!

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           28-Dec-99 15:29:11
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 10:22:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <849n1v$a82$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, on 12/28/99 
   at 06:58 AM, dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD ) said:

>In message <3867a848$3$vina$mr2ice@news.msu.ru> - "Ivan Adzhubei"
><ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> writes:

>>>Could you elaborate on the general nature of the problems that you have
>>>encountered with InJoy?
>>
>>These are problems with InJoy Firewall (for LAN), not InJoy Dialer. I've
>>never used the latter and all the dispute is about LGS vs FX firewall
>>products after all.
>>
>>I have tried to install evaluation copy of FX firewall product quite a few
>>months ago, so I am not sure I can recall all the problems right now.
>>First, it refused to work with my NIC/drivers and traped the system. I was
>>able to workaround this by replacing the NIC, but the firewall plugin
>>never worked for me.

>the firewall plugin NEVER works until you register it..
>which you never did..

Aha, so this was the problem. Thanks for explanation :-). I can't
understand why to place a freely downloadable evaluation software if it
does not work without a registration, tho...

>> All I needed was NAT and whatever I tried it simply
>>did not work. Then I discovered LGS SafeFire (still in beta at the time)

>you didn't try registering it, did you?

I wanted to *evaluate* it before registering, do you consider this
illegal? This software was placed on a vendor's web site and explicitely
listed as freely downloadable evaluation copy after all. And I never pay
for software without first trying it. Especially for a professional
quality software intended to run on a server and serve several dozens of
user, not only me myself.

>did you 'discover' LGS during your search in fido7.su.os2.wanted .. what

No, a friend of mine advised me, so what?

>WERE you "wanting" in all those posts..

As you can see, even without being able to read in Russian, almost all of
my postings to this FIDO newsgroup were replies to other people requests
(note the Re: clauses in subject lines). People come there looking for
some software and I gave them URL's or advices on where to look for it as
much as I can. Not everybody in this country has direct access to the
Internet and can use on-line search engines and directories. I consider
everybody is trying to provide this kind of help on Usenet either. I never
seen you spending your precious time on helping others here though.

>anyone here read Russian?...maybe we can see Ivan Adzhubei's true colors
>by reading the posts and see if he was looking for an InJoy crack in:

>http://x25.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap,ST_Tracker=0508]/dnquery.xp?search=word&default
>Op=and&query=%7ea%20(ivan@protein.bio.msu.su)%20%26%20%7eg%20(fido7.su.os2.wa
>nted)&svcclass=dnserver&ST=&CONTEXT=946353004.668139537

Don't waste your time, you will not find anything illegal in my posts. In
fact, you will not find *anything* about F/X Comm products at all.
Actually, I can't recall posting *any* requests to this newsgroup, only
replies. This is because I happen to be lucky enough to have unlimited
access to Internet, and I was always trying to share my experience and
knowledge with others.

And what you are doing here, tell me?

Cheers,
Ivan

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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           28-Dec-99 15:50:29
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 10:22:01
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>

In <3867AED3.3DD42AF0@nls.net>, on 12/27/99 
   at 06:31 PM, "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net> said:

>This is called lying.

What is called lying? Too much beer probably, you really start sounding
illiterate...

> You have been a bad boy now go sit in the corner
>and shut-up before you implicate yourself any further you aren't really a
>criminal. Just a bad boy now SHUT-UP before you hurt yourself.
>Receiving stolen property, even for beta testing is still a crime. YOU
>HAVE BEEN WARNED.

This is a free world and you have no right to dictate whom to shut up and
whom to talk. You are free to use your software to filtering capabilities
to select what you want to hear and what you are not, however. I
personally is adding you to my newsreader's killfile right now.

So long, David D. Huff, Jr.

Cheers,
Ivan

>Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

>>
>> BTW, I am beta-testing now the new version of SafeFire which has a
>> completely new NDIS protocol wrapper driver (the only piece of software in
>> question between LGS and FX, IMO). It has new component design which no
>> longer resembles FX NDIS wrapping device driver in any way.
>>
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> "Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------

-- 
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"Ivan Adzhubei" <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su>
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From: huffd@nls.net                                     28-Dec-99 14:09:09
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 12:08:08
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>


Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

>
> And I never pay for software without first trying it. Especially for a
> professional
> quality software intended to run on a server and serve several dozens of
> user, not only me myself.
>
>
> As you can see, even without being able to read in Russian, almost all of
> my postings to this FIDO newsgroup were replies to other people requests
> (note the Re: clauses in subject lines). People come there looking for
> some software and I gave them URL's or advices on where to look for it as
> much as I can. Not everybody in this country has direct access to the
> Internet and can use on-line search engines and directories. I consider
> everybody is trying to provide this kind of help on Usenet either. I never
> seen you spending your precious time on helping others here though.
>
> Don't waste your time, you will not find anything illegal in my posts. In
> fact, you will not find *anything* about F/X Comm products at all.
> Actually, I can't recall posting *any* requests to this newsgroup, only
> replies. This is because I happen to be lucky enough to have unlimited
> access to Internet, and I was always trying to share my experience and
> knowledge with others.
>
> And what you are doing here, tell me?
>

That you are both a thief and a liar. If you were here in the states there
would
be probable cause from your own statements to get a warrant and search your
computer.

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From: bcallen@attglobal.net                             28-Dec-99 15:50:04
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 14:16:07
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: bcallen@attglobal.net (Barbara Allen)

In message
<BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-hUqXLHOHx3Gd@n449.telekabel.euronet.nl> -
News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn) writes:
:>
:>
:>> stan wrote:
:>>
:>> I've missed all this can someone pls provide a url for this isp
:>
:>See that you are using ProNews. If you (or your ISP's newsserver)
:>missed something in the trhead you can easily "backtrack". Rightclick
:>in the message window and select "Explore thread". It will pop up your
:>webengine (provided you told it where to find the application you prefer
:>to surf the www with) with the thread on Deja showing in the window. 
:>
:>Regards from Leeuwarden
:>Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
:>---
:>usethenet.at.the-net-4u.com (.at. becomes @)
:>----

It also might help to try this:

http://safe123.net/os2/index.html

Barbara

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From: ceo@lgs.kiev.ua                                   28-Dec-99 15:24:20
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 14:16:07
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: ceo@lgs.kiev.ua

In this thread we could see a problem: Many people that even
don't know
simple facts (like correct country name) trust all F/X says.
They don't even try to ask opposite side to hear it's position.
But fortunately this is not private post of the hided
"advertisement"
company F/X did and we can reply.

Here is our vision of the events (in chronological order)

1) We ordered NDIS driver to Sergey (I don't know why BJ tries
to set an equality
   between Sergey with LGS. May be it is only possible politics
for him to try
   to win).
2) After all software were written and tested locally we
announced our product.

3) BMT Micro stopped selling our software.
   F/X and BMT Micro Inc. contacted us regarding our product.
Of course we were
   sure that we own all the code, so we answered "We did it".
   All messages from Bjarne was just like these in news group
and could not be
   used as a starting point for understanding.

   This was the last contact between F/X and LGS until now. But
the
   pressure continued to raise and now we know why (BJ's
mailings).

4) We started writing new set of drivers. This item should be
specially
   highlighted.

   NDIS spec's is complex enough and in many places they just
not clear
   or suspicious. Problem becomes even more complex when NDIS
driver is
   a protocol driver, because this part of spec in not
available.

   Original driver were made as Filter (or Intermediate NDIS
driver). I.e.
   There must be a MAC and a Protocol and the Driver between
them. All this
   driver did is filtering the stream of packets between MAC
and the Protocol.
   Unfortunately OS/2 MPTS do not support such a "Filters" and
so user can not
   configure the Driver using MPTS setup program. Probably some
kind of solution
   exists but not LGS nor F/X is aware about that solution.

   Our new set of drivers consist of two drivers: One "MAC"
type and other
   "Protocol" type. They can be used separately and need not
any additional
   drivers (i.e. one can use real MAC and our "Protocol"
without any real
   Protocol, that is vital for Original driver). Our new
drivers implements
   all the needed functions, like initialization, shutdown or
selecting
   needed packets (unlike the Original driver new one don't
need to
   make all the stream of packet flow through the filter). And
of course
   they can be easily configured using standard MPTS setup.

   Should be especially noted that knowledge about intermediate
   driver and their organization is not helpful anymore as soon
as we starting
   talking about protocol driver. NDIS toolkit contains an
sample
   of intermediate device driver (called WEDGE) designed to
help debug
   MAC device drivers.

   Note that the reasons for writing new drivers is pure
technical and
   not related to F/X issue.

5) We announced our new product: SafeFire PPP.
6) F/X released Injoy Connect. As far as we know this product
was in beta for
   few years and it is interesting to listen to a reason of
such an urgent
   release.
   A note: SafeFire PPP implements both PPP client and server
and so the
   functionally comparable set of F/X software is Injoy Dialer
plus Injoy Connect.

7) Announce of PPPoE support and WarpCast silence. The
situation is very
   interesting. We will describe it here and it's up to you to
make
   decisions:
    a) First SafeFire PPP announcements went through WarpCast
without
       any problems.
    b) First announcement that was dropped was first PPPoE
announcement
    c) There was NO reply from Warpcast since then
       (except standard robot "Thank you for submitting
       a message to WarpCast. Your submission has been received
and will be
       processed by WarpCast staff as soon as possible.")
    d) In few hours about this our first PPPoE post every one
could see F/X's
       PPPoE announcement at WarpCast -
http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4464.html
       (And we all know that there is no software available for
public yet).
8) os2bbs was the first who contacted us regarding this private
e-mail war.
9) This thread started by public answer of one of F/X users.

As a result of F/X actions SafeFire Firewall is not available
for purchase
for some time. SafeFire Firewall is removed from downloads at
our site.

Therefore we consider this issue is CLOSED from our side.
But new problem appears. Copyright status of that device driver
is not clear.
But it not clear not only for us. It not clear for F/X too.
We see only way to resolve it in a fair manner: F/X should
write device driver
from scratch.




Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              28-Dec-99 10:40:12
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 14:16:07
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:24:41 GMT, ceo@lgs.kiev.ua wrote:

:>In this thread we could see a problem: Many people that even
:>don't know
:>simple facts (like correct country name) trust all F/X says.
:>They don't even try to ask opposite side to hear it's position.
:>But fortunately this is not private post of the hided
:>"advertisement"
:>company F/X did and we can reply.
:>
:>Here is our vision of the events (in chronological order)
:>
:>1) We ordered NDIS driver to Sergey (I don't know why BJ tries
:>to set an equality
:>   between Sergey with LGS. May be it is only possible politics
:>for him to try
:>   to win).

Well, from this it looks like you were duped by Sergey into buying stolen
code.  I'm starting to have some sympathy for you, until I get to the part
below.

--snip--

:>
:>Therefore we consider this issue is CLOSED from our side.
:>But new problem appears. Copyright status of that device driver
:>is not clear.
:>But it not clear not only for us. It not clear for F/X too.
:>We see only way to resolve it in a fair manner: F/X should
:>write device driver
:>from scratch.
:>

WTF, you are suggesting that FX, who owns the code and created the driver in
the first place make a new one?  What the hell for?  Just so that you can get
away with using stolen code?  I now have no sympathy for you.  This is a
completely unreasonable suggestion to resolve the dispute.  Plus there is the
matter of the stolen documentation and configuration files.



		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
phone: (732)496-4699



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From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su                           28-Dec-99 16:11:26
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 14:16:07
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: ivan@protein.bio.msu.su (Ivan Adzhubei)

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:09:19, "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net> 
wrote:

> Ivan Adzhubei wrote:
> 
> >
> > And I never pay for software without first trying it. Especially for a
> > professional
> > quality software intended to run on a server and serve several dozens of
> > user, not only me myself.
> >
> >
> > As you can see, even without being able to read in Russian, almost all of
> > my postings to this FIDO newsgroup were replies to other people requests
> > (note the Re: clauses in subject lines). People come there looking for
> > some software and I gave them URL's or advices on where to look for it as
> > much as I can. Not everybody in this country has direct access to the
> > Internet and can use on-line search engines and directories. I consider
> > everybody is trying to provide this kind of help on Usenet either. I never
> > seen you spending your precious time on helping others here though.
> >
> > Don't waste your time, you will not find anything illegal in my posts. In
> > fact, you will not find *anything* about F/X Comm products at all.
> > Actually, I can't recall posting *any* requests to this newsgroup, only
> > replies. This is because I happen to be lucky enough to have unlimited
> > access to Internet, and I was always trying to share my experience and
> > knowledge with others.
> >
> > And what you are doing here, tell me?
> >
> 
> That you are both a thief and a liar. If you were here in the states there
would
> be probable cause from your own statements to get a warrant and search your
> computer.

I think you are both a crazy idiot and a mentaly disordered person. 
You need to go and make an appointment with your nearest local 
physician and psychiatrist immediately.

Cheers,
Ivan 


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From: huffd@nls.net                                     28-Dec-99 16:59:09
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 14:16:07
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>


ceo@lgs.kiev.ua wrote:

>
> 4) We started writing new set of drivers. This item should be
> specially
>    highlighted.
>
>    NDIS spec's is complex enough and in many places they just
> not clear
>    or suspicious. Problem becomes even more complex when NDIS
> driver is
>    a protocol driver, because this part of spec in not
> available.

So who did you steal the technology from this time?

>    Original driver were made as Filter (or Intermediate NDIS
> driver). I.e.
>    There must be a MAC and a Protocol and the Driver between
> them. All this
>    driver did is filtering the stream of packets between MAC
> and the Protocol.
>    Unfortunately OS/2 MPTS do not support such a "Filters" and
> so user can not
>    configure the Driver using MPTS setup program. Probably some
> kind of solution
>    exists but not LGS nor F/X is aware about that solution.

Oh but of course you had inside information about your competitor since
you bought Sergey.

>    Our new set of drivers consist of two drivers: One "MAC"
> type and other
>    "Protocol" type. They can be used separately and need not
> any additional
>    drivers (i.e. one can use real MAC and our "Protocol"
> without any real
>    Protocol, that is vital for Original driver). Our new
> drivers implements
>    all the needed functions, like initialization, shutdown or
> selecting
>    needed packets (unlike the Original driver new one don't
> need to
>    make all the stream of packet flow through the filter). And
> of course
>    they can be easily configured using standard MPTS setup.
>
>    Should be especially noted that knowledge about intermediate
>    driver and their organization is not helpful anymore as soon
> as we starting
>    talking about protocol driver.

So we are to feel sorry for you because stolen technlogy no longer feeds
your fire?

> NDIS toolkit contains an
> sample
>    of intermediate device driver (called WEDGE) designed to
> help debug
>    MAC device drivers.
>
>    Note that the reasons for writing new drivers is pure
> technical and
>    not related to F/X issue.
>
> 5) We announced our new product: SafeFire PPP.
> 6) F/X released Injoy Connect. As far as we know this product
> was in beta for
>    few years and it is interesting to listen to a reason of
> such an urgent
>    release.

Nice competitors upgrade prices you were offering for versions 1.0+ I
think you knew where your competition was, you had Sergey didn't you?
More lies look at the purchase.app file generated in your own install
from sfire.zip 3/5/1999. Give me a break how stupid can you be?

>    A note: SafeFire PPP implements both PPP client and server
> and so the
>    functionally comparable set of F/X software is Injoy Dialer
> plus Injoy Connect.
>
> 7) Announce of PPPoE support and WarpCast silence. The
> situation is very
>    interesting. We will describe it here and it's up to you to
> make
>    decisions:

We did, you stole the technlogy and we knew it. You should have gone on
to other things. And don't pick on Microsoft, they will not be so easy.

>     a) First SafeFire PPP announcements went through WarpCast
> without
>        any problems.
>     b) First announcement that was dropped was first PPPoE
> announcement
>     c) There was NO reply from Warpcast since then
>        (except standard robot "Thank you for submitting
>        a message to WarpCast. Your submission has been received
> and will be
>        processed by WarpCast staff as soon as possible.")
>     d) In few hours about this our first PPPoE post every one
> could see F/X's
>        PPPoE announcement at WarpCast -
> http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4464.html
>        (And we all know that there is no software available for
> public yet).

Probably right there. It takes more time to develop than to steal.

>
> 8) os2bbs was the first who contacted us regarding this private
> e-mail war.
> 9) This thread started by public answer of one of F/X users.

How about the ad you posted in the comp.os.os2.apps news group,
12/22/1999 that has many times the replys?

Path:

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                   From:
                        "Link Guard Solutions Ltd." <devdir@lgs.kiev.ua>

             Newsgroups:
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comp.os.os2.apps
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                        New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!
                   Date:
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SafeFire PPP 0.9 beta 59

You are a liar and a thief.

>
> As a result of F/X actions SafeFire Firewall is not available
> for purchase
> for some time. SafeFire Firewall is removed from downloads at
> our site.
>

Is this an admission of guilt?

> Therefore we consider this issue is CLOSED from our side.
> But new problem appears. Copyright status of that device driver
> is not clear.

Then you did freaking lie in you ad. You stated that you did have the
Copyright. Are you just stupid?

SafeFire PPP 0.9 beta 59

Copyright (C) 1999  Link Guard Solutions Ltd.

Link Guard Solutions is proud to present new beta of SafeFire PPP.

SafeFire PPP with the new PM user interface IS the most simple
way to the Internet.

> But it not clear not only for us. It not clear for F/X too.
> We see only way to resolve it in a fair manner: F/X should
> write device driver
> from scratch.

They develped it to begin with why should they do it again. Also your
advertisement in comp.os.os2.apps stated that you were copyrighted would
you please tell me the patent numbers so I can verify it myself?
Yesterday I posted the URL for the patent office it would sure clear
some things up.

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: huffd@nls.net                                     28-Dec-99 17:17:10
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 16:40:08
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

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You told me yesterday I was in your kill file. Damn, now I am worried. Am I
seeing
things or did I see a post from you stating that I was in your kill file. No,
here it
is in the comp.os.os2.comm news group.

Geez Ivan, first you say you are going to do something and then you don't.
Where is
your follow through?

> This is a free world and you have no right to dictate whom to shut up and
> whom to talk. You are free to use your software to filtering capabilities
> to select what you want to hear and what you are not, however. I
> personally is adding you to my newsreader's killfile right now.
>
> So long, David D. Huff, Jr.
>
> Cheers,
> Ivan
>
Ivan Adzhubei wrote:

>
> I think you are both a crazy idiot and a mentaly disordered person.
> You need to go and make an appointment with your nearest local
> physician and psychiatrist immediately.
>
> Cheers,
> Ivan

Thank you Ivan I was beginning to think I wasn't getting through to you. I
will quit
picking on you now. I needed someone to continually flame as long as they
promoted the
LGS cause. You see some people have a higher moral fiber and it is very
distaseful to
hear that someone would even consider something endorsing LGS in this
situation. You
know as well as I do that there will be no court hearing on the subject and
LGS has
already withdrawn part of their product line to keep from being shutdown in
this
country alltogether.

Cheers,
David D. Huff Jr.

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You told me yesterday I was in your kill file. Damn, now I am worried.
Am I seeing things or did I see a post from you stating that I was in your
kill file. No, here it is in the comp.os.os2.comm news group.
<p>Geez Ivan, first you say you are going to do something and then you
don't. Where is your follow through?
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<pre>This is a free world and you have no right to dictate whom to shut up and
whom to talk. You are free to use your software to filtering capabilities
to select what you want to hear and what you are not, however. I
personally is adding you to my newsreader's killfile right now.

So long, David D. Huff, Jr.

Cheers,
Ivan</pre>
</blockquote>
Ivan Adzhubei wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<br>I think you are both a crazy idiot and a mentaly disordered person.
<br>You need to go and make an appointment with your nearest local
<br>physician and psychiatrist immediately.
<p>Cheers,
<br>Ivan</blockquote>
Thank you Ivan I was beginning to think I wasn't getting through to you.
I will quit picking on you now. I needed someone to continually flame as
long as they promoted the LGS cause. You see some people have a higher
moral fiber and it is very distaseful to hear that someone would even consider
something endorsing LGS in this situation. You know as well as I do that
there will be no court hearing on the subject and LGS has already withdrawn
part of their product line to keep from being shutdown in this country
alltogether.
<p>Cheers,
<br>David D. Huff Jr.</html>

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From: bj@fx.dk                                          28-Dec-99 19:46:26
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 19:59:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Bjarne Jensen <bj@fx.dk>

> 1) We ordered NDIS driver to Sergey (I don't know why BJ tries
> to set an equality between Sergey with LGS.

Dear faceless LGS CEO. I'm quite honoured to see you visit
the OS/2 community for the first time ever. After working
with Sergey for 8 months, I must say you sound a lot like
him :)

If Sergey isn't LGS, then why did Sergey negotiate with GT
Mall about the selling of the Safefire Firewall (and lost)?
A little odd to let an outsider negotiate something that
important.

I just finished a private e-mail conversation with Sergey,
this is why LGS and F/X didn't participate in this thread
for a while. These e-mails came to me from "Sergey I.
Yevtushenko" and I was smart enough to BCC: our conversation
to third parties, so again, I have proof.

The few people that have worked with LGS, have always
wondered why you appear face-less in the public and
don't sign the e-mails in your own name. Vit is the
exception to this rule obviously, probably too young to
understand the harm he is inflicting to his own name.
People that know you from mailing lists and IRC, tell
me in e-mail that you (Sergey) don't try to hide the
fact that you are the main LGS developer. Do I need to
show such an e-mail here?

Also, I find it wierd that on this rather big planet,
after F/X hires Sergey, a business only a few IP numbers
away from Sergey, in the same city, get the notion to
enter the OS/2 market and by coincidence, they choose
to develop exactly the same driver as an F/X employee is
working on. Coincidence?

Considering the fact that LGS was never known before in
the OS/2 community and then suddenly pops up a week
after the release of our software, with an F/X driver
that they bought from the always innocent Sergey I.
Yevtushenko is just too much of a lie for anyone to
believe. Theoretically it could be, but anyone with
common sense is witnessings the worst OS/2 scam ever!

>Should be especially noted that knowledge about
>intermediate driver and their organization is not
>helpful anymore

Knowledge isn't helpful anymore :)

So you finally begin to admit the truth?

I bet the thousands of $$, the NDIS toolkit that earlier
wasn't generally available to the public (was made public
this week by IBM), the PC that you couldn't afford, our
docs, our beta testing of the technology and the rest of
our technology wasn't helpful either.

As proof, I have bank statements for the PC and your labour,
e-mails from IBM to you (where you act in the name of F/X),
Sam Detweiler (IBM) will witness this and people in this
thread have already said that they beta-tested F/X software,
with you deeply involved. With your heart problems, it's hard
to believe that you could handle a complete beta test in another
forum at the same time. I have CC's of all these e-mails (you
didn't understand why I wanted CC's at the time, now you
do:)

I take the liberty to bring the names of a few people
that you talked to: Kevin G. McCoy, Gerry Britton,
Timur Tabi, Peter Lindeman, George Yanos,
Benjamin Schollnick, Sam Detweiler and a guy named
Scott that worked with you almost daily (his e-mails
doesn't include his last name). There are more people,
and I'll gladly set up contacts to these people in case
LGS thinks I need to back this with proof.

>Note that the reasons for writing new drivers is pure
>technical and not related to F/X issue.

Right :) .. If you hadn't told us this, some might have
thought that the reason was to get free of the copyright
violation and then hope everyone would forget about your
business practices. Markets don't work that way Sergey
and the only way you and Vit can ever restore your reputation,
is by admitting that I brought you together (for a job
interview) and instead you plotted against me and became
overwhelmed by greed.

b) First announcement that was dropped was first PPPoE
> announcement

Anyone that's interested in the truth, simply e-mail
the Warpcast crew and get the real truth. This is
another lie from LGS that I can prove wrong.

>(And we all know that there is no software available for
> public yet).

Our PPPoE is available to all InJoy Firewall PRO customers,
but there is no evaluation version floating around yet.
That's simply to keep it out of your hands, as I think
you are not done stealing yet. This is another way you
hurt the OS/2 business.

These days you try to make an easy buck, by letting OS/2
customers pay for what's easily compiled from the GNU
open source resources. Personally, as a long time Internet,
Fido user, I'm discusted by these actions and hopefully
the entire Internet community will some day know you stand for.

F/X has always developed our own software, with the pros
and cons that gives, but it's a fair business and when we
e.g. ported the GNU Pluto IKE server to OS/2, then we offered
it for free to the OS/2 community.

--
Bjarne Jensen
F/X Communications
http://www.fx.dk



Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: brittonm@sympatico.ca                             28-Dec-99 20:09:26
  To: All                                               28-Dec-99 19:59:14
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Britt <brittonm@sympatico.ca>

I would ask that everyone consider the following PERSONAL opinions,

1) Bjarne has spent years providing superb support for his users, no matter
how

small the user, or how large his problem. This has resulted in Bjarne/FX
acquiring a sound knowledge base of this technology. To the extent that now if
you have a problem the chances are FX can resolve it rapidly and accurately.

2) During his association with FX Sergi acquired this experience the easy way,
and got paid for doing it......
I am an engineer and it is standard practice to not use knowledge gained from
employment for 3 or more years, this includes working for a direct competitor.
This is usually legally binding, but it is also a moral obligation that Sergi
has ignored.

3) If FX persue a legal action it will cost money, which would probably result
in prices rising.. so the user ends up paying

4) The OS2 community has from inception, benefited from the cooperation of
individuals and organisations to produce solutions, which has resulted in many
excellent CHEAP solutions (Injoy, SIO, CM2.....) Sergi has jepodised this by
his actions, which I THINK is the first time such a situation has arisen.

5) The issue of debug code, which is normally dormant, shows the FX concern
with solving end user problems. They recognise, probably from past experience,
that unusal problems require more specific information than usual. I am all
for

the inclusion of debug code, if it helps the end user solve hard to define
problems.

6) Bjarne has earned the respect of the user community  the hard way, and I
personally consider it my obligation to support Bjarne. Consider the
ramifications if we, the users, do not support those organisations providing
us, the user, with the tools we need.

7) If Sergi/LGS are willing to found there organisation on borrowed
information, is it not possible that they will resort to similar actions in
the

future. What about the effects on GNU based software., it could lead to a
freeze on cooperative development, and that would be a disaster for the OS2
community.

Once a thief, always a thief.....

Go for it Bjarne... the support is out there

Britt





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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               28-Dec-99 08:42:12
  To: All                                               29-Dec-99 00:20:03
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> stan wrote:
>
> I've missed all this can someone pls provide a url for this isp

See that you are using ProNews. If you (or your ISP's newsserver)
missed something in the trhead you can easily "backtrack". Rightclick
in the message window and select "Explore thread". It will pop up your
webengine (provided you told it where to find the application you prefer
to surf the www with) with the thread on Deja showing in the window. 

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: tvv@sbs.kiev.ua                                   28-Dec-99 18:01:12
  To: All                                               29-Dec-99 00:20:03
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit Timchishin)

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:59:19, "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net> wrote:

> ceo@lgs.kiev.ua wrote:
> >    NDIS spec's is complex enough and in many places they just
> > not clear
> >    or suspicious. Problem becomes even more complex when NDIS
> > driver is
> >    a protocol driver, because this part of spec in not
> > available.
> 
> So who did you steal the technology from this time?

I don't think the technology is stolen. I can describe at least one way (yet
it 
is hard) to build such a driver: Create a MAC and look at the calls existing 
Protocols issue to it. Make your protocol do the same. If you has problems, go 

to step 1.

> >    Unfortunately OS/2 MPTS do not support such a "Filters" and
> > so user can not
> >    configure the Driver using MPTS setup program. Probably some
> > kind of solution
> >    exists but not LGS nor F/X is aware about that solution.
> Oh but of course you had inside information about your competitor since
> you bought Sergey.

I think if they know about LGS. And since FX did not implement any solution,
it 
has no solution.

> >    Should be especially noted that knowledge about intermediate
> >    driver and their organization is not helpful anymore as soon
> > as we starting
> >    talking about protocol driver.
> So we are to feel sorry for you because stolen technlogy no longer feeds
> your fire?

I think you fill sorry, that this flame will end shortly ;). This passage is 
argumented at the same level your are.

> > 6) F/X released Injoy Connect. As far as we know this product
> > was in beta for
> >    few years and it is interesting to listen to a reason of
> > such an urgent
> >    release.
> Nice competitors upgrade prices you were offering for versions 1.0+ I
> think you knew where your competition was, you had Sergey didn't you?

Sorry?  As far as I know there is no competition upgrade prices for SafeFire
PPP
yet. As for SafeFire Firewall the prices are really good for end users. Don't 
understand your comment about Sergey. I don't think that FX hided prices for 
InJoy Firewall.

> More lies look at the purchase.app file generated in your own install
> from sfire.zip 3/5/1999. Give me a break how stupid can you be?

Why they are stupid? Because they have not raised their prices?

> > 7) Announce of PPPoE support and WarpCast silence. The
> > situation is very
> >    interesting. We will describe it here and it's up to you to
> > make
> >    decisions:
> We did, you stole the technlogy and we knew it. 

Sorry, are you representing WarpCast? If so, I don't know why all the LGS 
messages was unanswered. You could send at least a pack of flame. 

> Probably right there. It takes more time to develop than to steal.

Interesting. So you says that LGS stealed technology that was not developed?
It 
is logical nosence.

> > 9) This thread started by public answer of one of F/X users.
> How about the ad you posted in the comp.os.os2.apps news group,
> 12/22/1999 that has many times the replys?

This is single message and not tons of smap from FX users we can see now.

[HEADER skipped]
Sorry. Why did you need to post the whole header here?

> SafeFire PPP 0.9 beta 59
> 
> You are a liar and a thief.
Sorry? Why this posting makes LGS liar? I think that you has problems with
logic
in your mind.

> > As a result of F/X actions SafeFire Firewall is not available
> > for purchase
> > for some time. SafeFire Firewall is removed from downloads at
> > our site.

> Is this an admission of guilt?

This is fact.

> > Therefore we consider this issue is CLOSED from our side.
> > But new problem appears. Copyright status of that device driver
> > is not clear.
> 
> Then you did freaking lie in you ad. You stated that you did have the
> Copyright. Are you just stupid?

> SafeFire PPP with the new PM user interface IS the most simple
> way to the Internet.

Sorry. First you post an except regarding Safefire Firewall and then blames 
SafeFire PPP.

> > We see only way to resolve it in a fair manner: F/X should
> > write device driver
> > from scratch.
> They develped it to begin with why should they do it again. 

As far as I can see, they did not. Sergey did. And it is not clear who is
owning
rights: Sergey, FX or LGS.

> Also your
> advertisement in comp.os.os2.apps stated that you were copyrighted would
> you please tell me the patent numbers so I can verify it myself?

AFAIR Copyrighted and patented are different things. And again you are wrong.

Bye,
	Vit.

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From: nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com                     28-Dec-99 21:50:29
  To: All                                               29-Dec-99 03:28:03
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "Nick Saxon" <nospam_n.saxon@mindspring.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:31:16 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:05:20 -0500 (EST), Nick Saxon wrote:
>
>:>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 01:16:05 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf wrote:
>:>
>:>>Prosecution is next to impossible as LGS is in Russia and FX is not.  Even 
if
>:>>FX were to get LGS into court and won, the verdict would be impossible to
>:>>enforce with the way things are in Russia.
>:>
>:>No doubt, you knew the verdict? Well, then share your knowledge with the
>:>community,
>:>after all, this is what it's all about.
>:>
>Please note, I said "IF" FX were to get LGS into court and "IF" FX were to
>win.  Please read more carefully next time.

Thank you for the remark, I said "knew", not "know". For many, if not most,
readers the main concern is not the enforcement of a verdict,
but the verdict itself.

I don't like to be blamed by F/X just because another time I bought
a competing product.

>
>		Chris Stumpf
>		C.S.E. Computer Services
>		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
>		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
>		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
>		
>
>web:    http://cse.anterras.net
>email:	cse@anterras.net
>phone: (732)496-4699
>

Nick Saxon



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From: tvv@sbs.kiev.ua                                   29-Dec-99 13:46:09
  To: All                                               29-Dec-99 14:23:17
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit Timchishin)

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:46:53, Bjarne Jensen <bj@fx.dk> wrote:

> 
> > 1) We ordered NDIS driver to Sergey (I don't know why BJ tries
> > to set an equality between Sergey with LGS.
> 
> Dear faceless LGS CEO. I'm quite honoured to see you visit
> the OS/2 community for the first time ever. After working
> with Sergey for 8 months, I must say you sound a lot like
> him :)

As far as I can see, LGS were right - You are continuing your tactics since
this
is the only one available for You.
I am almost sure that You already hired personal linguist to check this ;) Or 
may be you has linguist dimploma? Otherwise this your words are "for public" 
here and not truth.

> 
> If Sergey isn't LGS, then why did Sergey negotiate with GT
> Mall about the selling of the Safefire Firewall (and lost)?
> A little odd to let an outsider negotiate something that
> important.

I think that since only Sergey knew all the facts he was the only who could
try 
to make argumented negotiations.

> 
> I just finished a private e-mail conversation with Sergey,
> this is why LGS and F/X didn't participate in this thread
> for a while. These e-mails came to me from "Sergey I.
> Yevtushenko" and I was smart enough to BCC: our conversation
> to third parties, so again, I have proof.

What proofs? That when you made negotiations with Sergey you had mail come
from 
Sergey? Is it have to be proven?

> 
> The few people that have worked with LGS, have always
> wondered why you appear face-less in the public and
> don't sign the e-mails in your own name. Vit is the
> exception to this rule obviously, probably too young to
> understand the harm he is inflicting to his own name.

I inflict no harm to my name. I started my investigations of OS/2 TCPIP 
internals far before Injoy firewall were released (see my page about OS/2
tcpip 
4.1 firewall). And I don't like you personally since I have seen many of your 
actions.
When I am telling something from the name of the company, I use lgs.kiev.ua 
e-mail, since it is policy of the company : "today you are talking with one
CEO,
support, devppp, devdir, etc... tomorrow with another. There must be no 
problems.". May be I am slighly temperamented, so I can appear here with my
own 
answer to all this spam.

> 
> Also, I find it wierd that on this rather big planet,
> after F/X hires Sergey, a business only a few IP numbers
> away from Sergey, in the same city, get the notion to
> enter the OS/2 market and by coincidence, they choose
> to develop exactly the same driver as an F/X employee is
> working on. Coincidence?

Sorry? LGS hired local OS/2 programmer to make software. I think this is
normal 
actions. And the fact that FX hired the same programmer while he is half world 

away from FX is coincidence, is not it?

> 
> Considering the fact that LGS was never known before in
> the OS/2 community and then suddenly pops up a week
> after the release of our software, with an F/X driver
> that they bought from the always innocent Sergey I.
> Yevtushenko is just too much of a lie for anyone to
> believe. 
> Theoretically it could be, but anyone with
> common sense is witnessings the worst OS/2 scam ever!

So you would like to say that all the other parts of SafeFire Firewall were 
written in a single week? Even theoretically it can't be ;) 

> 
> >Should be especially noted that knowledge about
> >intermediate driver and their organization is not
> >helpful anymore
> 
> Knowledge isn't helpful anymore :)
> 
> So you finally begin to admit the truth?

Sure, LGS used the software it ordered and got working. But the software had 
limited functionality and so was replaced. Any problems? I still don't get
what 
you were going to say.

> 
> I bet the thousands of $$, the NDIS toolkit that earlier
> wasn't generally available to the public (was made public
> this week by IBM), the PC that you couldn't afford, 

LGS did not have any problems with computers. Still don't get what are you 
pointing at.

> our docs, 

I have checked this (in other news thread). Could you point to the "stealed" 
docs? I have not found anything.

> our beta testing of the technology 

LGS had there own beta testing. Or you contacted with LGS to help with beta 
testing? I still don't understand you.

> and the rest of
> our technology wasn't helpful either.

Sorry? As far as I know LGS got the driver. The sample of such a driver is in 
the NDIS toolkit. What "technology" you are talking about?

> 
> As proof, I have bank statements for the PC and your labour,
[SKIPPED]

Oh. This is an aswer to Sergey. Now I am starting to understand your tactics. 

> and the only way you and Vit can ever restore your reputation,
> is by admitting that I brought you together (for a job
> interview) and instead you plotted against me and became
> overwhelmed by greed.
That is not truth. I had two messages from you and there was a single answer 
(see below). I already knew who you are and did not want to work for such a 
person:
-----------message-----
Message-Id: <199903230400.1129592.6@fx.dk>
From: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
To: "tvv@sbs.kiev.ua" <tvv@sbs.kiev.ua>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:58:50 +0100 (CET)
Reply-To: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: =?koi8-r?q?Programming on OS/2..?=
Status: U

Hi

I'm looking for new and skilled OS/2 developers.. I like your product
and I'm interested in hearing how much you would require (in $$ per
month) to work F/X Communications???

I know you have talked to sergey about this before, but I'm in a new
position and ready to pay more money than Sergey told you.

I'll be going to Italy in a few days and stay there for a week, so
my replies might be a bit slow (even though I should have Internet
access down there).


-- Bjarne Jensen
President, F/X Communications.
http://www.fx.dk - Email: bj@fx.dk
-------------------------------------
---------my answer--------------------
From: "Vit Timchishin" <tvv@sbs.kiev.ua>
To: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:49:48 +0200 (EET)
Reply-To: "Vit Timchishin" <tvv@sbs.kiev.ua>
Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00
In-Reply-To: <199903230400.1129592.6@fx.dk>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: Programming on OS/2..

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:58:50 +0100 (CET), F/X Communications wrote:

>Hi
>
>I'm looking for new and skilled OS/2 developers.. I like your product
>and I'm interested in hearing how much you would require (in $$ per
>month) to work F/X Communications???
>
>I know you have talked to sergey about this before, but I'm in a new
>position and ready to pay more money than Sergey told you.
>
>I'll be going to Italy in a few days and stay there for a week, so
>my replies might be a bit slow (even though I should have Internet
>access down there).

Hello.

I am sorry to disappoint you but I can't accept your proposition now. I
already 
have an agreement with 
other company, and I like it.
---------------------------------------------
--------your answer------------
Message-Id: <199903241507.5233322.6@fx.dk>
From: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
To: "Vit Timchishin" <tvv@sbs.kiev.ua>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:06:30 +0100 (CET)
Reply-To: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00
In-Reply-To: <AAssE-smI1i@sbs.kiev.ua>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: =?koi8-r?q?Re: Programming on OS/2..?=
Status: U

That's quite okay..
Good luck with your work..

>I am sorry to disappoint you but I can't accept your proposition now. I
already
have an agreement 
with 
>other company, and I like it.
>
>

-- Bjarne Jensen
President, F/X Communications.
http://www.fx.dk - Email: bj@fx.dk

--------------------------------------
> 
> b) First announcement that was dropped was first PPPoE
> > announcement
> 
> Anyone that's interested in the truth, simply e-mail
> the Warpcast crew and get the real truth. This is
> another lie from LGS that I can prove wrong.

Why e-mail if everything can be checked using WWW:
Last message from LGS being published:
----http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4365.html---
WarpCast: 2 November 1999 - 0.9.55 beta of SafeFire PPP is available 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
FX's advertisement:
-----http://www.os2ss.com/warpcast/wc4464.html-----
WarpCast: 19 November 1999 - PPPoE for OS/2 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date of 57 beta of SafeFire PPP release is November 18, 1999. 
This can be checked by announcement in the newsgroups (here is www.deja.com
URL:
"http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=550433286")

> 
> These days you try to make an easy buck, by letting OS/2
> customers pay for what's easily compiled from the GNU
> open source resources. Personally, as a long time Internet,
> Fido user, I'm discusted by these actions and hopefully
> the entire Internet community will some day know you stand for.
> 
> F/X has always developed our own software, with the pros
> and cons that gives, but it's a fair business and when we
> e.g. ported the GNU Pluto IKE server to OS/2, then we offered
> it for free to the OS/2 community.

It is interesting. Because this is not truth. There is no line of GPL software 

in SafeFire products.
Can you give us any facts concerning this Your lie?

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From: bj@fx.dk                                          29-Dec-99 18:08:03
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 00:54:07
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Bjarne Jensen <bj@fx.dk>

> I am almost sure that You already hired personal linguist
>to check this ;)

Come on. It doesn't take a linguist to see through the
faceless LGS titles. Looking through your scam is how
F/X got out of this to begin with, cause Sergey never
admitted doing anything (until just recently).

> I think that since only Sergey knew all the facts he was
> the only who could try to make argumented negotiations.

So, LGS hire the criminal Sergey again to negotiate for
LGS in the best possible way and yet you loose. Knowing
that Sergey is corrupt and then seeing that he takes your
side tells that you are both corrupt and in this together.

> What proofs? That when you made negotiations with Sergey
> you had mail come from Sergey? Is it have to be proven?

Proof to show that while I talked to Sergey, LGS
didn't make any posts here, but as soon as Sergey and I
stop, LGS becomes active in this thread again. If Sergey
is not LGS, then this is another very odd coincidence.

>May be I am slighly temperamented, so I can appear here
>with my own answer to all this spam.

You must be temperamented all of the time then, cause
unlike Sergey, you constantly use your own name when
speaking for LGS. Anyone in doubt can just search deja
news and see for themselves.

> Sorry? LGS hired local OS/2 programmer to make software.
> I think this is normal actions. And the fact that FX
> hired the same programmer while he is half world
> away from FX is coincidence, is not it?

I have worked with Sergey before and have some of his
old works to prove it, but LGS pops out from nowhere and
technology F/X have paid for. You can't expect anyone
to buy that.

> SafeFire Firewall were written in a single week? Even
> theoretically it can't be ;)

No, what I said was that when I brought Sergey together
with you for the possibility of hiring you, then you
instead got the idea to use the driver that I paid to
have developed in a competing product.

> But the software had limited functionality and so was

If it had limited functionality then it's even more
odd that you ordered exactly the same thing as F/X
ordered. Remember, Sergey was not just ordered to do
this for me, he worked (daily) with me (and with IBM)
to solve the problems. Sergey was online with F/X
and even working together with another employee.
An employee that will confirm this.

> LGS did not have any problems with computers. Still don't
> get what are you pointing at.

I have an invoice for the computer that this driver was
developed on.

> Sorry? As far as I know LGS got the driver. The sample
> of such a driver is in the NDIS toolkit. What
> "technology" you are talking about?

Where did you get the NDIS toolkit? It hasn't been public
and if you got it from IBM, then let's hear who gave it
to you?

> That is not truth. I had two messages from
> you and there was a single answer (see below).
> I already knew who you are and did not want
> to work for such a person:

But the below e-mail proves that I brought you together
and that I talked to you through Sergey. In the e-mail
you claim to have a job in another company, but the
next thing is that you work for LGS and have ordered
the same thing from Sergey. You knew Sergey worked
for me, already then, and can't act surprised that the
driver belongs to F/X.

How stupid do you think your audience is?


> -----------message-----
> Message-Id: <199903230400.1129592.6@fx.dk>
> From: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
> To: "tvv@sbs.kiev.ua" <tvv@sbs.kiev.ua>
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:58:50 +0100 (CET)
> Reply-To: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
> Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Subject: =?koi8-r?q?Programming on OS/2..?=
> Status: U
>
> Hi
>
> I'm looking for new and skilled OS/2 developers.. I like your product
> and I'm interested in hearing how much you would require (in $$ per
> month) to work F/X Communications???
>
> I know you have talked to sergey about this before, but I'm in a new
> position and ready to pay more money than Sergey told you.
>
> I'll be going to Italy in a few days and stay there for a week, so
> my replies might be a bit slow (even though I should have Internet
> access down there).
>
> -- Bjarne Jensen
> President, F/X Communications.
> http://www.fx.dk - Email: bj@fx.dk
> -------------------------------------
> ---------my answer--------------------
> From: "Vit Timchishin" <tvv@sbs.kiev.ua>
> To: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:49:48 +0200 (EET)
> Reply-To: "Vit Timchishin" <tvv@sbs.kiev.ua>
> Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00
> In-Reply-To: <199903230400.1129592.6@fx.dk>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Subject: Re: Programming on OS/2..
>
> On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:58:50 +0100 (CET), F/X Communications wrote:
>
> >Hi
> >
> >I'm looking for new and skilled OS/2 developers.. I like your
product
> >and I'm interested in hearing how much you would require (in $$ per
> >month) to work F/X Communications???
> >
> >I know you have talked to sergey about this before, but I'm in a new
> >position and ready to pay more money than Sergey told you.
> >
> >I'll be going to Italy in a few days and stay there for a week, so
> >my replies might be a bit slow (even though I should have Internet
> >access down there).
>
> Hello.
>
> I am sorry to disappoint you but I can't accept your proposition now.
I already
> have an agreement with
> other company, and I like it.
> ---------------------------------------------
> --------your answer------------
> Message-Id: <199903241507.5233322.6@fx.dk>
> From: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
> To: "Vit Timchishin" <tvv@sbs.kiev.ua>
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:06:30 +0100 (CET)
> Reply-To: "F/X Communications" <bj@fx.dk>
> Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00
> In-Reply-To: <AAssE-smI1i@sbs.kiev.ua>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Subject: =?koi8-r?q?Re: Programming on OS/2..?=
> Status: U
>
> That's quite okay..
> Good luck with your work..
>
> >I am sorry to disappoint you but I can't accept your proposition
now. I already
> have an agreement
> with
> >other company, and I like it.

--
Bjarne Jensen
F/X Communications
http://www.fx.dk


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: bj@fx.dk                                          29-Dec-99 18:10:21
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 00:54:07
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Bjarne Jensen <bj@fx.dk>

And regarding Warpcast, then I have an e-mail apology
from them where they state that they are sorry that one
of your e-mails got through. One of the moderators didn't
know that you were pirates.

This was LONG BEFORE PPPoE and again I have proof.

Anyone can check this with the Warpcast crew.

Will this shut you up?


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: huffd@nls.net                                     30-Dec-99 00:04:12
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 00:54:07
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

Here is another unpleasant discussion with LGS.

Vit Timchishin wrote:

>
> > >    Unfortunately OS/2 MPTS do not support such a "Filters" and
> > > so user can not
> > >    configure the Driver using MPTS setup program. Probably some
> > > kind of solution
> > >    exists but not LGS nor F/X is aware about that solution.
> > Oh but of course you had inside information about your competitor since
> > you bought Sergey.
>
> I think if they know about LGS. And since FX did not implement any solution, 
it
> has no solution.
>

Are you trying to say that if FX didn't have the technology than neither does
LGS?
Does this mean that you are admitting that Sergey stole the technology and now 
you
are admitting it? Wow? Either you don't understand the gravity what you are
saying
or I am not understanding your view of your technology or something??

>
> > >    Should be especially noted that knowledge about intermediate
> > >    driver and their organization is not helpful anymore as soon
> > > as we starting
> > >    talking about protocol driver.
> > So we are to feel sorry for you because stolen technlogy no longer feeds
> > your fire?
>
> I think you fill sorry, that this flame will end shortly ;). This passage is
> argumented at the same level your are.

Then just what are you talking about? Are you saying you should be excused
because
the technology you stole no longer serves the purpose?

> > > 6) F/X released Injoy Connect. As far as we know this product
> > > was in beta for
> > >    few years and it is interesting to listen to a reason of
> > > such an urgent
> > >    release.
> > Nice competitors upgrade prices you were offering for versions 1.0+ I
> > think you knew where your competition was, you had Sergey didn't you?
>
> Sorry?  As far as I know there is no competition upgrade prices for SafeFire 
PPP
> yet. As for SafeFire Firewall the prices are really good for end users.
Don't
> understand your comment about Sergey. I don't think that FX hided prices for
> InJoy Firewall.

Your SFIRE.ZIP installation uploaded to Hobbes on 3/5/1999 contained the file
purchase.app specifically stating upgrade prices for InJoy Firewall. Standard
version through PRO. You knew damned well where your competitor was even in
future
versioning.

> > More lies look at the purchase.app file generated in your own install
> > from sfire.zip 3/5/1999. Give me a break how stupid can you be?
>
> Why they are stupid? Because they have not raised their prices?

No because you left evidence all over the world, man. Don't you freaking
understand
that everywhere your SFIRE.ZIP file was unloaded is the freaking binary
evidence?
Irrevocable and irrefutable?

>
> > > 7) Announce of PPPoE support and WarpCast silence. The
> > > situation is very
> > >    interesting. We will describe it here and it's up to you to
> > > make
> > >    decisions:
> > We did, you stole the technlogy and we knew it.
>
> Sorry, are you representing WarpCast? If so, I don't know why all the LGS
> messages was unanswered. You could send at least a pack of flame.

No, I am completely independent of any of the parties mentioned in any of this
discussion thread. Why is it so hard for you to believe that there are regular
people who know beyond any doubt that you stole the code and are willing to
come
forward and help fight against this type of activity? If you continue to read
other
rebuttals within this thread you will learn that ALL employees from WarpCast
were
instructed NOT to respond. You weren't even supposed to receive the
auto-respond
mail that they sent you. Good luck trying to get through to them again.

> > Probably right there. It takes more time to develop than to steal.
>
> Interesting. So you says that LGS stealed technology that was not developed? 
It
> is logical nosence.

This is another admission of guilt. What you are saying is that you had inside
information to the inner workings at FX. You must be very well informed to
make such
a statement, Sergey? Again how could you possibly have such information? Your
response is better that I would have imagined. I play this game well and your
responses are most incriminating.

>
> > > 9) This thread started by public answer of one of F/X users.
> > How about the ad you posted in the comp.os.os2.apps news group,
> > 12/22/1999 that has many times the replys?
>
> This is single message and not tons of smap from FX users we can see now.
>
> [HEADER skipped]
> Sorry. Why did you need to post the whole header here?

Because it was an advertisement that you put here! You said it started with a
note
you sent to a user. Again more lies and of course you snipped it because it
contained your IP address. You are an abundant liar how foolish you must be.
Any
user can see where the thread originated with YOUR ADVERTISEMENT! Geez you are
stupid.

>
> > SafeFire PPP 0.9 beta 59
> >
> > You are a liar and a thief.
> Sorry? Why this posting makes LGS liar? I think that you has problems with
logic
> in your mind.

I was responding to your previous response. You re-arranged my responses. Are
you so
stupid as to believe that you can simply change the organization of my
replies. They
are in the message listed right above your rebuttal?

> > > As a result of F/X actions SafeFire Firewall is not available
> > > for purchase
> > > for some time. SafeFire Firewall is removed from downloads at
> > > our site.
>
> > Is this an admission of guilt?
>
> This is fact.

Golly shucks. I wonder why?

>
> > > Therefore we consider this issue is CLOSED from our side.
> > > But new problem appears. Copyright status of that device driver
> > > is not clear.
> >
> > Then you did freaking lie in you ad. You stated that you did have the
> > Copyright. Are you just stupid?

No reply here the issue must be closed. If it is close why are you replying?

>
> > SafeFire PPP with the new PM user interface IS the most simple
> > way to the Internet.
>
> Sorry. First you post an except regarding Safefire Firewall and then blames
> SafeFire PPP.

It is still ill gotten gain. If a murder steals a gun and uses a knife to kill 
his
wife what difference does it make?

> > > We see only way to resolve it in a fair manner: F/X should
> > > write device driver
> > > from scratch.
> > They develped it to begin with why should they do it again.
>
> As far as I can see, they did not. Sergey did. And it is not clear who is
owning
> rights: Sergey, FX or LGS.

THIS IS A HUGE ADMISSION OF GUILT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING? IT
IS
UNETHICAL TO DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY WITH ONE COMPANY TO SELL TO ANOTHER!

> > Also your
> > advertisement in comp.os.os2.apps stated that you were copyrighted would
> > you please tell me the patent numbers so I can verify it myself?
>
> AFAIR Copyrighted and patented are different things. And again you are
wrong.
>
> Bye,
>         Vit.

Come on Vit you are not getting away that easily! Just telling me I am wrong.
Ok,
I'm wrong, how about some answers how about some truth for a change?

Please tell your side of the story, I mean about Sergey and his arrangement
with
you. Let's here some verifiable fact from your side for a change. Why don't
you
concoct some credible story and publish it instead of just being on the
defensive.
Let's hear how you got entangled in this affair.


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From: alex@nukunuku.queensu.ca                          30-Dec-99 01:48:09
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 03:28:09
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: alex@nukunuku.queensu.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:40:25 -0500 (EST), Chris Stumpf <cstumpf@monmouth.com>
wrote:
>:>1) We ordered NDIS driver to Sergey (I don't know why BJ tries
>:>to set an equality
>:>   between Sergey with LGS. May be it is only possible politics
>:>for him to try
>:>   to win).
>
>Well, from this it looks like you were duped by Sergey into buying stolen
>code.  I'm starting to have some sympathy for you, until I get to the part
>below.
>
>--snip--
>
>:>Therefore we consider this issue is CLOSED from our side.
>:>But new problem appears. Copyright status of that device driver
>:>is not clear.
>:>But it not clear not only for us. It not clear for F/X too.
>:>We see only way to resolve it in a fair manner: F/X should
>:>write device driver
>:>from scratch.
>:>
>
>WTF, you are suggesting that FX, who owns the code and created the driver in
>the first place make a new one?  What the hell for?  Just so that you can get
>away with using stolen code?  I now have no sympathy for you.  This is a
>completely unreasonable suggestion to resolve the dispute.  Plus there is the
>matter of the stolen documentation and configuration files.

To be fair (as I am avoiding partisanship on this issue), if you read the
previous message carefully, it appears to be saying: "Since the copyright
of the driver is so contentious now, we are rewriting our driver from
scratch, and we encourage F/X to do the same."

Frankly, assuming that all parties are sincere, it does seem like a fair
proposition - from a neutral observer's point of view.

-- 
Alex Taylor
alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca

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From: huffd@nls.net                                     30-Dec-99 03:03:17
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 03:28:09
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net>

Neutral how? You stole my pie. Consider the time and ingredients that went
into it. You
didn't like my pie after you stole it. But when you stole my pie you also took 
the
recipe. Now you can put me out of the pie business too. What the hell is fair
about
that. Even if you worked for me when the pie was baked it is still my pie. Now 
you are
saying I have to re-invent my pie. For why SO YOU CAN FUCKING STEAL IT AGAIN!

Alex Taylor wrote:

>
> To be fair (as I am avoiding partisanship on this issue), if you read the
> previous message carefully, it appears to be saying: "Since the copyright
> of the driver is so contentious now, we are rewriting our driver from
> scratch, and we encourage F/X to do the same."
>
> Frankly, assuming that all parties are sincere, it does seem like a fair
> proposition - from a neutral observer's point of view.
>
> --
> Alex Taylor
> alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca

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From: jim.danvers@mindex.com                            29-Dec-99 23:08:29
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 03:28:09
Subj: How can I...?

From: Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>

Hi folks...

I'm using OS/2 warp v4 on an older compaq p120 as I write this and for
the most part it works (surprisingly) well.  I'm trying to minimize
overhead with it though in that I'm just using the command interpreter
as the workplace shell (vs. the WPS) and I have my startup.cmd file just
launching a command prompt with a character based menu of apps, etc..
that I can use.  Blah blah blah...  sorry.

Here is what I'm wondering:  I am evaluating / playing around with a
dialer called injoy (that I must say I really do like) that I use to
connect to my ISP.  I have my ISP config defined as the default profile
that injoy uses @startup and it auto-magically dials it each time that I
start injoy.  Ok - this is cool.  I am also using a freeware (I think
its free anyway) FTP server that gets started at bootup via
startup.cmd.  What I would really like to be able to do is write a .cmd
/ (rexx?) script that would start injoy and then wait (sleep?) for
roughly a minute or so to give the dialer time to establish the
connection to my ISP, and then somehow obtain what my PC's current IP
address is (as assigned from the ISP) and then have that info get send
to me via an SMTP mailer.

Why?  The objective here is that if I'm at work, and I want to get to
something on my PC, I could just have my wife or someone at the house
fire up the connection and have it auto-magically send me the IP address
that I would need to know in order to connect (via FTP) back to my
machine.  In case anyone is wondering - I'm basicaly using the box as a
"file server" on my home lan - thus the FTP server - I just store my
downloads and whatnot on this box keeping my other machines HD's a
little less cluttered.  I understand that I would obviuosly have to
setup some sort of command line e-mailer (the NT world has one called
BLAT) to send myself the e-mails..  does anyone know of a method for
doing this in OS/2?   Is this a little bit of a far fetched ideaa??

Thanks folks...

-=- J.D. -=-


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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 30-Dec-99 05:05:09
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 03:28:09
Subj: Re: How can I...?

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  Hi J.D.,

  Look in the In-Joy directory for the file connect.txt.  This contains the
last
connect information that your ISP returned.  Your address will be in there.
I use DoD (Dial On Demand) to perform similar actions.  I poll mail every
couple
hours and have scripts set up to process only messages from me.  That way
I can turn the connection on remotely and keep it on over the lunch hour or
whenever I like.  

  sendmail.exe is part of your TCP package.  It can be used from the command 
line to send preformed text files.  A REXX script could parse the connect.txt
or perhaps you just want to send it.

  PMMail also has a command line send utility.  There are REXX Scripts and
many code snipets to send via SMTP.  If you become worried about security
most PGP implementations have command line access.

  http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is a good source for many pieces of your puzzle.
You can probably implement all of them on your own with a few hours work.

  Enjoy,

  David

In <386ADAD9.19CEAFE4@mindex.com>, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>
writes:
>Hi folks...
>
>I'm using OS/2 warp v4 on an older compaq p120 as I write this and for
>the most part it works (surprisingly) well.  I'm trying to minimize
>overhead with it though in that I'm just using the command interpreter
>as the workplace shell (vs. the WPS) and I have my startup.cmd file just
>launching a command prompt with a character based menu of apps, etc..
>that I can use.  Blah blah blah...  sorry.
>
>Here is what I'm wondering:  I am evaluating / playing around with a
>dialer called injoy (that I must say I really do like) that I use to
>connect to my ISP.  I have my ISP config defined as the default profile
>that injoy uses @startup and it auto-magically dials it each time that I
>start injoy.  Ok - this is cool.  I am also using a freeware (I think
>its free anyway) FTP server that gets started at bootup via
>startup.cmd.  What I would really like to be able to do is write a .cmd
>/ (rexx?) script that would start injoy and then wait (sleep?) for
>roughly a minute or so to give the dialer time to establish the
>connection to my ISP, and then somehow obtain what my PC's current IP
>address is (as assigned from the ISP) and then have that info get send
>to me via an SMTP mailer.
>
>Why?  The objective here is that if I'm at work, and I want to get to
>something on my PC, I could just have my wife or someone at the house
>fire up the connection and have it auto-magically send me the IP address
>that I would need to know in order to connect (via FTP) back to my
>machine.  In case anyone is wondering - I'm basicaly using the box as a
>"file server" on my home lan - thus the FTP server - I just store my
>downloads and whatnot on this box keeping my other machines HD's a
>little less cluttered.  I understand that I would obviuosly have to
>setup some sort of command line e-mailer (the NT world has one called
>BLAT) to send myself the e-mails..  does anyone know of a method for
>doing this in OS/2?   Is this a little bit of a far fetched ideaa??
>
>Thanks folks...
>
>-=- J.D. -=-
>
>

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From: moschleg@erols.com                                30-Dec-99 01:13:03
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 03:28:10
Subj: Re: How can I...?

From: Mark Schlegel <moschleg@erols.com>

David LaRue wrote:
> 
>   Hi J.D.,
> 
>   Look in the In-Joy directory for the file connect.txt.  This contains the
last
> connect information that your ISP returned.  Your address will be in there.
> I use DoD (Dial On Demand) to perform similar actions.  I poll mail every
couple
> hours and have scripts set up to process only messages from me.  That way
> I can turn the connection on remotely and keep it on over the lunch hour or
> whenever I like.
> 
>   sendmail.exe is part of your TCP package.  It can be used from the command
> line to send preformed text files.  A REXX script could parse the
connect.txt
> or perhaps you just want to send it.

Also notice that in injoy you can have injoy run a script right after
connection is made, see "Misc opt" --> "Autostarting modules".  You
would want to use "host connect" for the start option and nothing in
the stop option column for your script.  This all makes sleeping one
minute unnecessary.

Mark

>   PMMail also has a command line send utility.  There are REXX Scripts and
> many code snipets to send via SMTP.  If you become worried about security
> most PGP implementations have command line access.
> 
>   http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is a good source for many pieces of your puzzle.
> You can probably implement all of them on your own with a few hours work.
> 
>   Enjoy,
> 
>   David
> 
> In <386ADAD9.19CEAFE4@mindex.com>, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com>
writes:
> > ..........
> > What I would really like to be able to do is write a .cmd
> >/ (rexx?) script that would start injoy and then wait (sleep?) for
> >roughly a minute or so to give the dialer time to establish the
> >connection to my ISP, and then somehow obtain what my PC's current IP
> >address is (as assigned from the ISP) and then have that info get send
> >to me via an SMTP mailer.
> >  ...........
> >-=- J.D. -=-
> >
> >

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From: tvv@sbs.kiev.ua                                   30-Dec-99 11:20:05
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 10:25:02
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: tvv@sbs.kiev.ua (Vit Timchishin)

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On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:04:25, "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net> wrote:

> > > >    Unfortunately OS/2 MPTS do not support such a "Filters" and
> > > > so user can not
> > > >    configure the Driver using MPTS setup program. Probably some
> > > > kind of solution
> > > >    exists but not LGS nor F/X is aware about that solution.
> > > Oh but of course you had inside information about your competitor since
> > > you bought Sergey.

> > I think if they know about LGS. And since FX did not implement any
solution, it
> > has no solution.

> Are you trying to say that if FX didn't have the technology than neither
does LGS?
> Does this mean that you are admitting that Sergey stole the technology and
now you
> are admitting it? Wow? Either you don't understand the gravity what you are
saying
> or I am not understanding your view of your technology or something??

As far as I remember, the solution meant in the passage above is "configuring 
filter-style driver from the MPTS setup". Since it is not possible in the
InJoy 
Firewall I think that FX does not have such a solution. That's all.

> Then just what are you talking about? Are you saying you should be excused
because
> the technology you stole no longer serves the purpose?

LGS did not stole anything. It ordered a driver from a programmer and got the 
work done. That's all.

> > > More lies look at the purchase.app file generated in your own install
> > > from sfire.zip 3/5/1999. Give me a break how stupid can you be?
> >
> > Why they are stupid? Because they have not raised their prices?
> 
> No because you left evidence all over the world, man. Don't you freaking
understand
> that everywhere your SFIRE.ZIP file was unloaded is the freaking binary
evidence?
> Irrevocable and irrefutable?
> 

Sorry, I don't know details about SafeFire Firewall since I am not working at 
that project, but BJ said that SafeFire Firewall got to market after Injoy 
Firewall. So the prices were public at that time. Am I wrong?

> >
> > > > 7) Announce of PPPoE support and WarpCast silence. The
> > > > situation is very
> > > >    interesting. We will describe it here and it's up to you to
> > > > make
> > > >    decisions:

> > > We did, you stole the technlogy and we knew it.

> > Sorry, are you representing WarpCast? If so, I don't know why all the LGS
> > messages was unanswered. You could send at least a pack of flame.

> No, I am completely independent of any of the parties mentioned in any of
this
> discussion thread. Why is it so hard for you to believe that there are
regular
> people who know beyond any doubt that you stole the code and are willing to
come
> forward and help fight against this type of activity? If you continue to
read other
> rebuttals within this thread you will learn that ALL employees from WarpCast 
were
> instructed NOT to respond. You weren't even supposed to receive the
auto-respond
> mail that they sent you. Good luck trying to get through to them again.

Sorry, but You've used the word  "we" in your answer to the Warpcast question, 

and so I thought that You represent WarpCast here. I am happy, that this is
not 
right.

> 
> > > Probably right there. It takes more time to develop than to steal.
> >
> > Interesting. So you says that LGS stealed technology that was not
developed? It
> > is logical nosence.

> This is another admission of guilt. What you are saying is that you had
inside
> information to the inner workings at FX. You must be very well informed to
make such
> a statement, Sergey? Again how could you possibly have such information?
Your
> response is better that I would have imagined. I play this game well and
your
> responses are most incriminating.

Sorry, but I have only taken you passage "It takes more time to develop than
to 
steal". LGS published first version of the PPPoE at the 18 of November and
first
statement from FX seen was from the 19's of November (and it is still 
developing). So your statements are: "They stealed the technology over a month 

ago."; "This technology is not ready". This is nosence.

BTW: My name is not Sergey.

> > > > 9) This thread started by public answer of one of F/X users.
> > > How about the ad you posted in the comp.os.os2.apps news group,
> > > 12/22/1999 that has many times the replys?

> > [HEADER skipped]
> > Sorry. Why did you need to post the whole header here?
> 
> Because it was an advertisement that you put here! You said it started with
a note
> you sent to a user. Again more lies and of course you snipped it because it
> contained your IP address. You are an abundant liar how foolish you must be. 
Any
> user can see where the thread originated with YOUR ADVERTISEMENT! Geez you
are
> stupid.

Sorry, but AFAIK the thread meant is "thread with spam". As for me the subject 

has to be changed for a long time already ;). As you can see in message from
our
CEO it says "public _answer_", so he did not hide anything.
BTW: What's wrong with the IP?

> > > SafeFire PPP 0.9 beta 59
> > >
> > > You are a liar and a thief.
> > Sorry? Why this posting makes LGS liar? I think that you has problems with 
logic
> > in your mind.
> 
> I was responding to your previous response. You re-arranged my responses.
Are you so
> stupid as to believe that you can simply change the organization of my
replies. They
> are in the message listed right above your rebuttal?

Hm, you posted a message regarding new version of SafeFire PPP and then named 
CEO liar. This message is truth.
I did not rearrange anything. Of couse I was forced by newsserver to skip some 

spam ("More included than new text" error). 

> > > > As a result of F/X actions SafeFire Firewall is not available
> > > > for purchase
> > > > for some time. SafeFire Firewall is removed from downloads at
> > > > our site.
> >
> > > Is this an admission of guilt?
> >
> > This is fact.
> 
> Golly shucks. I wonder why?

That is the part of LGS proposal below. As soon as LGS will have new version 
with new drivers ready, it will be put on the site.

> > > > Therefore we consider this issue is CLOSED from our side.
> > > > But new problem appears. Copyright status of that device driver
> > > > is not clear.
> > >
> > > Then you did freaking lie in you ad. You stated that you did have the
> > > Copyright. Are you just stupid?
> 
> No reply here the issue must be closed. If it is close why are you replying?

Sorry, but as anyone can see, I did not reply to this passage. I left to to
show
the mess below (you've started from SafeFire Firewall and got to the SafeFire 
PPP).

> 
> >
> > > SafeFire PPP with the new PM user interface IS the most simple
> > > way to the Internet.
> >
> > Sorry. First you post an except regarding Safefire Firewall and then
blames
> > SafeFire PPP.
> 
> It is still ill gotten gain. If a murder steals a gun and uses a knife to
kill his
> wife what difference does it make?

You are trying to add some mess to the public? I don't think this is a good 
tactics? If you has something to say, say it.

> THIS IS A HUGE ADMISSION OF GUILT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING? IT 
IS
> UNETHICAL TO DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY WITH ONE COMPANY TO SELL TO ANOTHER!

That is not LGS problem.

> Come on Vit you are not getting away that easily! Just telling me I am
wrong. Ok,
> I'm wrong, how about some answers how about some truth for a change?

I am not going to get away.

> Please tell your side of the story, I mean about Sergey and his arrangement
with
> you. Let's here some verifiable fact from your side for a change. Why don't
you
> concoct some credible story and publish it instead of just being on the
defensive.
> Let's hear how you got entangled in this affair.

What arrangement are you talking about? 

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From: evsi@naverex.kiev.ua                              30-Dec-99 12:51:23
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 10:25:02
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: evsi@naverex.kiev.ua (Sergey I. Yevtushenko)

Hi,

Well. It's time for my reply.
I delayed this as long as I can but Bjarne gave me no choice.
All this time I have tried to solve the problem without war.
I contacted Bjarne and pressed to LGS.

But Bjarne not need solution. He even not tried to understand and
investigate actual problem in deep. Although it worth thing to do.

First of all I must say that actual problem is not between F/X and LGS.
Actual problem is between me and Bjarne.

At the end of August 1998 I started working with Bjarne on the new firewall
solution for cable modem connections. Before that Bjarne send me a message
with details of agreement. That agreement contains exact amount of monthly
payment.

Below is excerpt from the original message:

--- cut ---
That presents minimal risk to me, and that means that you have nothing
to worry about, with regards of payment (even if I'm ill for the full year,
then you would still have security for your money)..
--- cut ---

I have asked again and Bjarne confirmed this: regardless from the workload
I'll get AT LEAST sum mentioned in agreement.

"Regardless from the workload" actually meant 12-14 hours per day,
and at least 6 days a week but this is another story.

Just for information: I wrote not only NDIS device driver. Command line
and PM versions of firewall is also written by me. As well as some doc's.
There are also some bug fixes in modules written by Bjarne but this is less
significant.

The problem is that Bjarne not paid promised money.

This may lead to two different decisions:

1. That agreement worthless set of bytes.
2. That agreement was in action but Bjarne violated it.

In first case this discussion, as well as all Bjarne's claims
is just waste of time. There just CAN'T be any claims at all.

In second case Bjarne sells software written by me but this work is not paid
properly.

I understand that I can't put Bjarne in court. Compensation will
definitely will not cover expenses.

But I think there is a better solution which will lead to benefit
for everybody: F/X, LGS, their customers and me.

The solution is simple:

1. Bjarne should withdraw ALL complains sent to BMT Micro, GT Mall, Mensys,
   Warpcast and other parties, probably not known by me.

2. Bjarne should publicly say that he have NO claims to LGS.

3. I publicly say that I have no claims to F/X and Bjarne Jensen.

4. F/X and LGS receive the right to use code written by me for respective
   companies without limitations and without any claims from each party
   (me, F/X, LGS) to any other.

I have already contacted LGS and they support this proposition.

Bjarne has a week to think about this proposition.


Happy New Year to everybody!

Regards,
    Sergey I. Yevtushenko

*-------------------------------------
ES@Home


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From: no.spam.epaxton@iafrica.com                       30-Dec-99 15:23:24
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Eric Paxton <no.spam.epaxton@iafrica.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:49:37 +0300, "Ivan Adzhubei"
<ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> wrote:

>In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fnayb90.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/25/99 
>   at 10:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:
>
>Did you see contract Bjarne has with this developer? Did contract terms
>prevent him from developing his own software in the same field? Without
>all these legaleeze stuff it is worth nothing debating here. This is a
>legal issue, and it should be decided in court. This is the only sensible
>way.
>
People,

This behaviour in public is very unbecoming. The slander and libel being
committed is very unprofessional, not forgetting the re-opening of the
cold war in this thread. The unprofessionalism is probably the root
cause of the problem.

Ivan's contribution so far has been the most sensible, which is why I
have chosen to add to it. I have read all the subsequent posts.

If one accepts patent law as the norm for good business practice, then
the ownership of the code belongs with the entity that commissioned the
work. This would tend to favour Bjarne's case. But,  that can be
overturned by any contract between Fx and the coder. No one, so far, has
offered proof of ownership and if there is no contract then Fx only have
themselves to blame for the predicament that they now find themselves
in.

Allusions to e-mails and accusations of theft without proof of ownership
is not the way to resolve this issue.

Was the code based on an IBM NDIS developer kit, however obtained? Then
who owns the code? Does the contract specify exclusivity? Does the
contract specify how the partnership will be dissolved? I suspect that
there is no contract, in which case Bjarne has learnt an expensive
lesson and there is no obligation on LGS not to sell the product. 

If this kit was obtained unofficially from helpful IBM employees  and
passed on to LGS then some careers in IBM are being jeopardised.

The fact that LGS were able to publish working code first and the Fx
product was delayed seems to point to the fact that all the work was
being done in the Ukraine.

Language difficulties and point scoring have not helped but please stop
squabbleling like schoolboys in the playground, this is not forwarding
either sides case and we are all losers, including OS/2.

In the absence of proof of ownership this trial by media will not
achieve justice for either party and no right minded person will be
swayed by the propaganda and emotionalism which is all that we have
heard so far. Put up or shut up.

Best regards to all, 

Eric.


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From: jluiz@neocomm.com.br                              30-Dec-99 12:39:17
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Multicast File Transfer Tool for OS/2

From: Joao Luiz P Jr <jluiz@neocomm.com.br>

Hello everybody,
We just released the NeoComm Vector for OS/2 version GA1.00. It's a file

transfer utility that uses multicast technology in a one-to-may basis.
Ours tests showed a bandwidth saving up to 70% compared to conventional
FTP.

More information at: http://www.neocomm.com


Best Regards,

Joao Luiz P. Jr.
Project Manager - NeoComm





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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    30-Dec-99 14:49:19
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:04:25, "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net> 
wrote:

[snip]

> THIS IS A HUGE ADMISSION OF GUILT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING? IT 
IS
> UNETHICAL TO DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY WITH ONE COMPANY TO SELL TO ANOTHER!

Not necessarily. Any and all expertise can be construed to be paid for
by others if it was acquired on the job.

But that isn't going to stop workers from taking new jobs doing 
similar work every day.  Nor is it going to stop an apprentice 
handyman (who learned to paint while working on your apt building) 
from painting the halls of the apartment building that's luring your 
tenants away.

So, objectively:

Are the programs, in fact, identical? (Evidence please)

Was Sergey employed as an independent contractor or as an employee? 
(Evidence, please)

What explicit non-disclosure agreement did Sergey sign and 
subsequently violate? (Evidence, please)

What implied (ie, industry standard IN THE LOCATION THE WORK WAS BEING
DONE) non-disclosure agreement did Sergey violate? (Evidence, please. 
Hold the rhetoric.)

What personal understanding between Sergey and Bjarne did Sergey 
violate? (Evidence please.  Hold the rhetoric).

How and why do the answers to the above preclude the possibility of 
dual ownership? (Evidence AND rhetoric, please)

What legal action has Bjarne initiated against Sergey? (Evidence 
please.  Hold the rhetoric).

The answers to these questions should be used determine whether Sergey
is a thief or Bjarne is a slanderer.

And the facts will generally speak more loudly and clearly than the 
claims of the parties.

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From: bj@fx.dk                                          30-Dec-99 15:39:20
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: Bjarne Jensen <bj@fx.dk>

Finally the dog is in the corner ...

1:
Your pay was reduced because of another SCAM.
you broke the law and rejected to pay tax in Ukraine!!

2:
F/X IS NOT ALLOWED TO DEDUCT A LABOUR EXPENSE IF THE
RECEIVER DOESN'T PAY TAX, thus making the expense more
than twice the size of what was negotiated with you.

Again, I have evidence for both the above points!

3:
You UNDERSTOOD and agreed to the monthly reductions.
If you claim NOT too, then you should obviously have
quit the job with F/X and left the product in its
unfinished state. You didn't do that, instead you
came up with another SCAM!

Trying to get emotional now is your latest SCAM!

4:
You don't mention the money for a computer that was
outside the contract. Also, you don't mention that you
had daily excuses for not working. Father gets cancer,
you get heart problems, you get hospitalized, no Internet
connection for months, etc, etc, etc. And even though
you write fair code, then the rest of your work was
TOTALLY USELESS and unprofessional!!

5:
You don't mention the other scam where you worked for
2 months and when I received the code, it was just a
sample program that was already publically available.

6:
Your work on the project, was mainly the driver and then
you worked on the GWPM userinterface too. That's no secret.
The rest of the components were already existing in the
InJoy Dialer. Your work on documentation was useless
(most people have noticed your English) and had to be
totally rewritten.



Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              30-Dec-99 18:50:12
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-kv81Rm7di1Td@localhost>, wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)
writes:
>On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:04:25, "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net> 
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> THIS IS A HUGE ADMISSION OF GUILT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING?
IT IS
>> UNETHICAL TO DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY WITH ONE COMPANY TO SELL TO ANOTHER!
>
>Not necessarily. Any and all expertise can be construed to be paid for
>by others if it was acquired on the job.
>
>But that isn't going to stop workers from taking new jobs doing 
>similar work every day.  Nor is it going to stop an apprentice 
>handyman (who learned to paint while working on your apt building) 
>from painting the halls of the apartment building that's luring your 
>tenants away.
>
>So, objectively:
>
>Are the programs, in fact, identical? (Evidence please)
>
>Was Sergey employed as an independent contractor or as an employee? 
>(Evidence, please)
>
>What explicit non-disclosure agreement did Sergey sign and 
>subsequently violate? (Evidence, please)
>
>What implied (ie, industry standard IN THE LOCATION THE WORK WAS BEING
>DONE) non-disclosure agreement did Sergey violate? (Evidence, please. 
>Hold the rhetoric.)
>
>What personal understanding between Sergey and Bjarne did Sergey 
>violate? (Evidence please.  Hold the rhetoric).
>
>How and why do the answers to the above preclude the possibility of 
>dual ownership? (Evidence AND rhetoric, please)
>
>What legal action has Bjarne initiated against Sergey? (Evidence 
>please.  Hold the rhetoric).
>
>The answers to these questions should be used determine whether Sergey
>is a thief or Bjarne is a slanderer.
>
>And the facts will generally speak more loudly and clearly than the 
>claims of the parties.
>

Applause to William.

Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: ivanjt@free.fr                                    30-Dec-99 19:41:14
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:11
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: ivan turner <ivanjt@free.fr>

Well said!

regards
Ivan

Eric Paxton wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:49:37 +0300, "Ivan Adzhubei"
> <ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> wrote:
> 
> >In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fnayb90.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/25/99
> >   at 10:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:
> >
> >Did you see contract Bjarne has with this developer? Did contract terms
> >prevent him from developing his own software in the same field? Without
> >all these legaleeze stuff it is worth nothing debating here. This is a
> >legal issue, and it should be decided in court. This is the only sensible
> >way.
> >
> People,
> 
> This behaviour in public is very unbecoming. The slander and libel being
> committed is very unprofessional, not forgetting the re-opening of the
> cold war in this thread. The unprofessionalism is probably the root
> cause of the problem.
> 
> Ivan's contribution so far has been the most sensible, which is why I
> have chosen to add to it. I have read all the subsequent posts.
> 
> If one accepts patent law as the norm for good business practice, then
> the ownership of the code belongs with the entity that commissioned the
> work. This would tend to favour Bjarne's case. But,  that can be
> overturned by any contract between Fx and the coder. No one, so far, has
> offered proof of ownership and if there is no contract then Fx only have
> themselves to blame for the predicament that they now find themselves
> in.
> 
> Allusions to e-mails and accusations of theft without proof of ownership
> is not the way to resolve this issue.
> 
> Was the code based on an IBM NDIS developer kit, however obtained? Then
> who owns the code? Does the contract specify exclusivity? Does the
> contract specify how the partnership will be dissolved? I suspect that
> there is no contract, in which case Bjarne has learnt an expensive
> lesson and there is no obligation on LGS not to sell the product.
> 
> If this kit was obtained unofficially from helpful IBM employees  and
> passed on to LGS then some careers in IBM are being jeopardised.
> 
> The fact that LGS were able to publish working code first and the Fx
> product was delayed seems to point to the fact that all the work was
> being done in the Ukraine.
> 
> Language difficulties and point scoring have not helped but please stop
> squabbleling like schoolboys in the playground, this is not forwarding
> either sides case and we are all losers, including OS/2.
> 
> In the absence of proof of ownership this trial by media will not
> achieve justice for either party and no right minded person will be
> swayed by the propaganda and emotionalism which is all that we have
> heard so far. Put up or shut up.
> 
> Best regards to all,
> 
> Eric.

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    30-Dec-99 21:18:28
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: How can I...?

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:08:58, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

> Why?  The objective here is that if I'm at work, and I want to get to
> something on my PC, I could just have my wife or someone at the house
> fire up the connection and have it auto-magically send me the IP address

Well, as long as you have REXX support loaded....should be easy.

How's about this for a really low resource solution?

REXX script...

Dials

Waits a minute

Connects to the SMTP server at the ISP
talks SMTP to it to send you the IP address
disconnects

SMTP is VERY easy, and if you load the REXX IP support you won't even 
need a mailer for the command line!


-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com                       31-Dec-99 05:58:18
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 03:17:19
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD )

In message <54im6sov51s9m997s7gug4v7c5g111ch04@4ax.com> - Eric Paxton
<no.spam.epaxton@iafrica.com> writes:
>
>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:49:37 +0300, "Ivan Adzhubei"
><ivan@protein.bio.msu.su> wrote:
>
>>In <pfghzcszbazbhgupbz.fnayb90.pminews@news.monmouth.com>, on 12/25/99 
>>   at 10:13 AM, "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com> said:
>>
>>Did you see contract Bjarne has with this developer? Did contract terms
>>prevent him from developing his own software in the same field? Without
>>all these legaleeze stuff it is worth nothing debating here. This is a
>>legal issue, and it should be decided in court. This is the only sensible
>>way.
>>
>People,
>
>This behaviour in public is very unbecoming. The slander and libel being
>committed is very unprofessional, not forgetting the re-opening of the
>cold war in this thread. The unprofessionalism is probably the root
>cause of the problem.
>
>Ivan's contribution so far has been the most sensible, which is why I
>have chosen to add to it. I have read all the subsequent posts.
>
>If one accepts patent law as the norm for good business practice, then
>the ownership of the code belongs with the entity that commissioned the
>work. This would tend to favour Bjarne's case. But,  that can be
>overturned by any contract between Fx and the coder. No one, so far, has
>offered proof of ownership and if there is no contract then Fx only have
>themselves to blame for the predicament that they now find themselves
>in.
>
>Allusions to e-mails and accusations of theft without proof of ownership
>is not the way to resolve this issue.
>
>Was the code based on an IBM NDIS developer kit, however obtained? Then
>who owns the code? Does the contract specify exclusivity? Does the
>contract specify how the partnership will be dissolved? I suspect that
>there is no contract, in which case Bjarne has learnt an expensive
>lesson and there is no obligation on LGS not to sell the product. 
>
>If this kit was obtained unofficially from helpful IBM employees  and
>passed on to LGS then some careers in IBM are being jeopardised.
>
>The fact that LGS were able to publish working code first and the Fx
>product was delayed seems to point to the fact that all the work was
>being done in the Ukraine.
>
>Language difficulties and point scoring have not helped but please stop
>squabbleling like schoolboys in the playground, this is not forwarding
>either sides case and we are all losers, including OS/2.
>
>In the absence of proof of ownership this trial by media will not
>achieve justice for either party and no right minded person will be
>swayed by the propaganda and emotionalism which is all that we have
>heard so far. Put up or shut up.
>
>Best regards to all, 
>
>Eric.

Eric,
your post is all very well and good..
it even sounds resonable in legal terms (just as resonable as letting O.J.
Simpson legally get away with murder)

except for one part: fairness and what is just naturally right:

its just naturally not right to take money from one company and then deliver
his product to another . . . no matter how legal you wanna make it sound!



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From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com                       31-Dec-99 05:58:19
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 03:17:19
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD )

In message <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-kv81Rm7di1Td@localhost> - wsonna@ibm.net
(William Sonna) writes:
>
>On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:04:25, "David D. Huff Jr." <huffd@nls.net> 
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> THIS IS A HUGE ADMISSION OF GUILT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING?
IT IS
>> UNETHICAL TO DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY WITH ONE COMPANY TO SELL TO ANOTHER!
>
>Not necessarily. Any and all expertise can be construed to be paid for
>by others if it was acquired on the job.
>
>But that isn't going to stop workers from taking new jobs doing 
>similar work every day.  Nor is it going to stop an apprentice 
>handyman (who learned to paint while working on your apt building) 
>from painting the halls of the apartment building that's luring your 
>tenants away.
>
>So, objectively:
>
>Are the programs, in fact, identical? (Evidence please)
>
>Was Sergey employed as an independent contractor or as an employee? 
>(Evidence, please)
>
>What explicit non-disclosure agreement did Sergey sign and 
>subsequently violate? (Evidence, please)
>
>What implied (ie, industry standard IN THE LOCATION THE WORK WAS BEING
>DONE) non-disclosure agreement did Sergey violate? (Evidence, please. 
>Hold the rhetoric.)
>
>What personal understanding between Sergey and Bjarne did Sergey 
>violate? (Evidence please.  Hold the rhetoric).
>
>How and why do the answers to the above preclude the possibility of 
>dual ownership? (Evidence AND rhetoric, please)
>
>What legal action has Bjarne initiated against Sergey? (Evidence 
>please.  Hold the rhetoric).
>
>The answers to these questions should be used determine whether Sergey
>is a thief or Bjarne is a slanderer.
>
>And the facts will generally speak more loudly and clearly than the 
>claims of the parties.
>

Will,
I've seen your post here for year and now you inject a thoughtful note into
this sea of confusion..

unfortunately we here as an on line community will probably never have full
access to the the contract (written or verbal) nor what was implied OR
understood by the parties..

also unfortunate is the fact that whatever Bjarne said or wrote into a
contract it could have been understood by him as "if you paint my hall with
MY newly created way to paint, you can never use that knowledge anywhere
else" and misunderstood by the kind folks in that ex-Union of Truth and
Fairness as "say what you want now, when the job is finished and I'm paid I'm
gonna get rich off this stuff"

it just ain't fair, no matter how legal you make it sound.

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From: stan                                              01-Jan-128 01:02:29
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: InnoVal To Offer Low-Cost OS/2 ISP Service!

From: stan

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:50:09, bcallen@attglobal.net (Barbara Allen) 
wrote:

> In message
> <BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-hUqXLHOHx3Gd@n449.telekabel.euronet.nl> -
> News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn) writes:
> :>
> :>
> :>> stan wrote:
> :>>
> :>> I've missed all this can someone pls provide a url for this isp
> :>
> :>See that you are using ProNews. If you (or your ISP's newsserver)
> :>missed something in the trhead you can easily "backtrack". Rightclick
> :>in the message window and select "Explore thread". It will pop up your
> :>webengine (provided you told it where to find the application you prefer
> :>to surf the www with) with the thread on Deja showing in the window. 
> :>
> :>Regards from Leeuwarden
> :>Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
> :>---
> :>usethenet.at.the-net-4u.com (.at. becomes @)
> :>----
> 
> It also might help to try this:
> 
> http://safe123.net/os2/index.html
> 
> Barbara
> 

thanks for the tip

stan...

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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    31-Dec-99 15:34:24
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 05:58:39, dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD ) 
wrote:

[snip]

> unfortunately we here as an on line community will probably never have full
> access to the the contract (written or verbal) nor what was implied OR
> understood by the parties..
> 

A decision to pirate someone else's software for profit, a decision to
flame and publicly denounce a hostile competitor, a decision to 
quietly seek legal remedy, are, ultimately, all business decisions.

And while I don't doubt that Bjarne feels betrayed, and may well have 
a legitimate beef with Mr Sergey, my upbringing and the traditions of 
my culture (the U.S.) dictate that the burden of proof is on the 
accuser.

That's why I will personally reserve judgment until I know the facts 
(as outlined in my previous post).

> also unfortunate is the fact that whatever Bjarne said or wrote into a
> contract it could have been understood by him as "if you paint my hall with
> MY newly created way to paint, you can never use that knowledge anywhere
> else" and misunderstood by the kind folks in that ex-Union of Truth and
> Fairness as "say what you want now, when the job is finished and I'm paid
I'm
> gonna get rich off this stuff"
> 

I agree completely.

The purpose of a written contract is to eliminate, superceed or 
enhance implied understandings, ie, the "could have" you refer to 
above.

Did someone violate a written agreement?  I don't know the answer to 
that question, and I think its an important (although not the only 
important) point.

> it just ain't fair, no matter how legal you make it sound.

Someone stealing someone else's property, passing it off as their own,
and making money off it?  I agree, it ain't fair.

Someone publicly slandering someone and using their influence with key
software distributors to obstruct a legitimate competitor?  I agree, 
it ain't fair.

Since I don't know the facts, all I REALLY know is that there's a lot 
of dirty laundry floating around, and it don't smell like roses.

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From: da@bit_bucket.net                                 31-Dec-99 18:25:00
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 16:54:16
Subj: Re: New beta of SafeFire PPP - with GUI client now!

From: da@bit_bucket.net

On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 05:58:39, dropThis.DenverD@Delphi.com (DenverD ) 
wrote:

 
Quotedlalso unfortunate is the fact that whatever Bjarne said or wrote into a
Quotedlcontract it could have been understood by him as "if you paint my hall 
with
QuotedlMY newly created way to paint, you can never use that knowledge
anywhere
Quotedlelse" and misunderstood by the kind folks in that ex-Union of Truth
and
QuotedlFairness as "say what you want now, when the job is finished and I'm
paid I'm
Quotedlgonna get rich off this stuff"

The only problem I see with you're analogy is that it would be an 
unenforcable contract since it isn't 'legal' to bind someone to a 
perpetual lifetime noncompetitve clause!    ;^)
 
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From: 72764.2166@csi.com                                31-Dec-99 12:59:07
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 16:54:16
Subj: Sio's vmodem

From: "Barry" <72764.2166@csi.com>

I've set up my SIO line as follows:

DEVICE=D:\OS2\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4,-) (COM2,INTERNET:2F8,NONE:3) 
The SIO line on bootup installs okay, I get the COM1 line message, the COM2
line message of N/A, N/A IRQ,VIRTUAL MODEM/ .

However, when I try and start VMODEM I get the following error message:
"A non-recoverable error occurred.  The process ended."

My modem on COM1 works fine.  COM2 is disabled in BIOS setup.  Hardware
Manager only shows COM1. If I run Sio's utility SU.EXE About, it shows the
following:
COM1 03F8 Detected 16550A IRQ4 - Reflected to DOS on 03F8/IRQ4
COM2  N/A Virtual Modem Port IRQ N/A - Reflected to DOS on 02F8/IRQ3

What could be wrong?

Barry


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From: spam@spam.spam                                    31-Dec-99 21:39:08
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 19:52:06
Subj: Installing PnP PCI WINCOMM modem on WARP?

From: "Paladin" <spam@spam.spam>

I have a PCI PnP 56K modem made by Jaton Corp. (model WINCOMM V.90).

Under Win95 it installs fine, but not as a standard com port. Device manager
reports
it uses interrupt 11 and address FC00-

OS/2 Warp ver. 3 will not recognize this modem at all.

Is there any hope I can use this Plug-N-Play modem with OS/2 ???

reply here or email [ charlescJUNK@flash.net , remove JUNK from address]


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From: abrahams@sparc.isl.net                            31-Dec-99 15:46:21
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 19:52:06
Subj: Re: Sio's vmodem

From: "Lionel C. Abrahams" <abrahams@sparc.isl.net>

On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:59:15 -0500 (EST), Barry wrote:

>I've set up my SIO line as follows:
>
>DEVICE=D:\OS2\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4,-) (COM2,INTERNET:2F8,NONE:3) 
>The SIO line on bootup installs okay, I get the COM1 line message, the COM2
>line message of N/A, N/A IRQ,VIRTUAL MODEM/ .
>
>However, when I try and start VMODEM I get the following error message:
>"A non-recoverable error occurred.  The process ended."
>
>My modem on COM1 works fine.  COM2 is disabled in BIOS setup.  Hardware
>Manager only shows COM1. If I run Sio's utility SU.EXE About, it shows the
>following:
>COM1 03F8 Detected 16550A IRQ4 - Reflected to DOS on 03F8/IRQ4
>COM2  N/A Virtual Modem Port IRQ N/A - Reflected to DOS on 02F8/IRQ3
>
>What could be wrong?
>
>Barry
>
>
I don't know but my line is different:

DEVICE=M:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3,INTERNET,NONE)
and my vmodem works just fine!

I have both com1 and com2 enabled in my bios also and uses both.

...Posted with PMINews 2.00.1200
   using OS/2 WARP4 @FP12




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