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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               29-Dec-99 23:45:17
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 06:31:09
Subj: Re: SIO.SYS?

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Mark Schlegel wrote:

> Good luck is right, I've been trying over and over to use the
> download page  http://vmbbs.gwinn.com/updsio.htm  to get the
> latest copy as a registered user.  Netscape gets about 50k
> and the ftp quits each time.   Is there any other way to
> get a copy of the latest zip file?  I would use wget but
> because he uses some kind of cgi I can't find the link
> to the file.

Use Netscape v2.02, it will not crap out on you.  It is located here:

ftp://ftp.wu-wien.ac.at/pub/systems/os2/netscape/9806/nets202.exe


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From: coville@localnet.com                              30-Dec-99 08:57:24
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 06:31:09
Subj: Re: Logging phone activity.

From: coville@localnet.com (Brian)

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:17:21, nospam@farm.lan wrote:
Could you repost or email me this file?  I seemed to have deleted it 
from my d/l folder before I had a chance to play w/ it.
Thanks,
 Brian

> Here is a little toy that I have made a few years ago.
> It monitors IO ports on the system and writes them to a log file.
> How I use it:
> 1. It logs modem connection times.  Was useful back when I got charged
>    per minute.
> 2. Great for telephone company solicitors.
>    Them: We have a new messaging service for you.
>    Me: I'm looking at my phone logs and I see that you are the first person
>        to call me in 3 days.
>    Them: I guess you don't need this service then...
>    (Yes, this really happened once.)
> 3. Catch people in a lie.
>    Them: I tried to call you but you weren't home.
>    Me: Do you have the right number?  I only had 2 calls yesterday and
>        I talked to them.  Besides them, the phone never rang.
> 
> The zip file contains the executable for OS/2 and the configuration file.
> You're on your own:  No copyright, no docs, and no support. :-)
> 
> 					-Neal
> 
> -------Begin Encoded File-------
> Encoded filename: phone.zip
> Decoded path: file:///E:\TCPUTIL\PRONEWS3\DECODED\phone.zip
> Encoding type: UUEncode
> File size: 23KB
> --------End Encoded File--------
> 
> 


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From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com                               30-Dec-99 09:06:15
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 10:25:02
Subj: Re: Yamaha CDRW drive

From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com

In article <386A82DB.D7EB947@excel.net>,
  tom <tstreet@excel.net> wrote:
> I just purchased a Yamaha 4x4x16 CDRW drive, where can I find
> drivers for Warp 4 FP11?

You don't need specific drivers for the CDRW. The drivers
you install for your SCSI host card should be enough. You might
need some extras like an ASPI driver.

> How do I do a total system back up to the CDR?

Not sure about that one. Perhaps one of the commercial
products supports CDR(W) as backup target.

One of the problems is that CDR(W) does not support
EAs. Another problem would be if your backup selection
exceeds the capacity of 1 CD.

One possibility might be to use InfoZip to create 1 or more
zip files (containing EAs), copy this to CDRW with a tool
like cdrecord (with or without one of the GUI front-ends).

> Will I be able to restore from the CD if I would need to??
> If so, how?

See above. Restoring is always best done when not booted
from the target drive (otherwise you have all sorts of
open file conflicts).

If you have recovery diskettes with your SCSI drivers and
InfoZip unzip, restoring from CDs shouldn't be too hard.

HTH
Paul
--
Paul Floyd


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               30-Dec-99 13:29:12
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: Patent or Copyright

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

They're covered under contract. And those agreements *don't* expire 
unless the contract says they do -- which would be completely unlikely
in such circumstances.

Patent and copyright have nothing (or little) to do with this matter.

--Esther

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 05:02:57, JNiffen <JNiffen@IBM.Net> wrote:

| I have been hearing that IBM can't release OS/2 into open source because
| OS/2 part were designed by other companies.  
|  
| What crossed my mind is, are these designs covered under copyrights or
| patents.  If so how long is an idea covered under a patent or a
| copyright.  Not that I think it would increase the chance of OS/2
| becoming "Open Source" but it was something that crossed my mind.  
|  
| Thanks for the replies. (That is if there are any.)
| 


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From: possum@tree.branch                                30-Dec-99 13:33:09
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: Patent or Copyright

From: possum@tree.branch (Mike Trettel)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:02:57 -0500, JNiffen <JNiffen@IBM.Net> wrote:
>I have been hearing that IBM can't release OS/2 into open source because
>OS/2 part were designed by other companies.  
>
>What crossed my mind is, are these designs covered under copyrights or
>patents.  If so how long is an idea covered under a patent or a
>copyright.  Not that I think it would increase the chance of OS/2
>becoming "Open Source" but it was something that crossed my mind.  
>
>Thanks for the replies. (That is if there are any.)

As of up to a few years ago patent terms were for 17 years from date of
issue, as a result of a change in the law effective a couple of years ago
it's now 20 years from the date of filing the application.  I would
presume that any such patents covering OS/2 would be of the older variety,
i.e., 17 years.  I am not an expert on copyrights, but AFAIK copyrights
can be extended indefinitely.  However, copyrights cover only the literal
transcription of text, and as such are not a very good means of protecting
code.  Another means of intellectual property protection is trade secrets,
in this case this would mean that IBM would basically "lock up" the source
code tightly and not allow anyone to see it without some sort of license.
In other words, no public disclosure of any sort, the very secrecy of the
property is the only means of asserting an IP right.

 -- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: falkenstein@ecos.net                              30-Dec-99 14:31:22
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: Old IDE Controller Card

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Falkenstein <falkenstein@ecos.net>

Hi Martina,

I would like and try to help, but a picture (very detailed) is necessary)
is needed.

Jrg

"Martin Schaffner" wrote:

> I have an old multi-I/O card with no # or anything on it, only that
> the controller chip is Acer and the name is "IDE-PLUS V2".  Does
> anybody have specs of the jumper settings of this card?  The card has
> 1 game, 1 parallel, 2 serial ports, and 1 IDE and 1 floppy cable
> connector and a 7-jumper block.
>
> Thanks/2,
>
> Martin Schaffner
> No-Spam:  Swap e and o to reply
>
> Suzuki GS650G Katana
> OS/2 Warp 4 with FixPak 11
> There are currently 30 processes
> with 123 threads active.
> This machine's uptime 0h 17min 58sec.

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From: jeffr@warsawcoil.com                              30-Dec-99 08:24:02
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Using echo in a script

From: "Jeff D. Roesner" <jeffr@warsawcoil.com>

I've recently been writing some scripts on my Solaris box for my web page,
and made a slick little one to print the system uptime on my page using SSI.
The script looks like:

#!/usr/bin/sh
echo Content-type: text/html
echo
echo `uptime|awk '{print $3, $4, $5}'`

And that's it.  Awk is used to strip out some items from the output.

I found an uptime program on Hobbes that I would like to use on the web
pages served on my OS/2 box.  The only problem is, I don't know how to take
the output of my uptime program and use echo to print the results.

Any ideas?


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From: rcmartin@netcom.com                               30-Dec-99 15:02:04
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: SIO.SYS?

From: rcmartin@netcom.com

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:45:35, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

> Mark Schlegel wrote:
> 
> > Good luck is right, I've been trying over and over to use the
> > download page  http://vmbbs.gwinn.com/updsio.htm  to get the
> > latest copy as a registered user.  Netscape gets about 50k
> > and the ftp quits each time.   Is there any other way to
> > get a copy of the latest zip file?  I would use wget but
> > because he uses some kind of cgi I can't find the link
> > to the file.
> 
> Use Netscape v2.02, it will not crap out on you.  It is located here:
> 
> ftp://ftp.wu-wien.ac.at/pub/systems/os2/netscape/9806/nets202.exe

No, I have tried nets202, it also does not download the whole file. 
I have tried wget and it repeats automatically, but I could only get 
at most half of the file and then it reports the connection is closed.

For some reason it is not possible to continue where the first 
download left off using wget with this particular file.  
Rosemarie
> 
> 


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From: wsonna@ibm.net                                    30-Dec-99 15:15:26
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: wsonna@ibm.net (William Sonna)

On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:54:44, "Steven C. Britton" 
<sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote:

[snip]
> 
> No; that's the direction in which your ilk _are_ taking us: everyone with a
> brain is leaving Canada, (I'm leaving as well...)

OH MY GOD!!! You're not coming to the U.S.????

PLEASE PLEASE DON'T COME TO THE U.S.!!!!  Go to Guatemala or El 
Salvador where you belong!  Money still talks, there are lots of 
uneducated poor people you can shit on, and anybody who starts a union
gets a bullet in the head.....you'll love it! 

We've already got enough rednecks in the U.S. already.

Please go somewhere else.

[snip]

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From: sbritton@cadvision.com                            30-Dec-99 08:58:15
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com>

William Sonna wrote:
> >
> > No; that's the direction in which your ilk _are_ taking us: everyone
with a
> > brain is leaving Canada, (I'm leaving as well...)
>
> OH MY GOD!!! You're not coming to the U.S.????
>
> PLEASE PLEASE DON'T COME TO THE U.S.!!!!  Go to Guatemala or El
> Salvador where you belong!  Money still talks, there are lots of
> uneducated poor people you can shit on, and anybody who starts a union
> gets a bullet in the head.....you'll love it!
>
> We've already got enough rednecks in the U.S. already.
>
> Please go somewhere else.

The trouble is, that every country in the world has its share of bureaucrats
and idiots like you...

I guess the good news for you is that I'm probably going to Australia.
Friendly people, nice climate, half-decent tax rates, and general
libertarian philosophy.

And very few idiots like you.

<plonk>
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What have YOU done to bust a union today?
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Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Brantford

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk                        30-Dec-99 15:19:26
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: OPCONSOL.EXE

From: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John Poltorak)

Has anyone come across OPCONSOL?

It has been available on Hobbes for a number of years, and provides the
OS/2 equivalent of an MVS Operator's Console, and is quite a handy utility
in terms of telling which files are loaded and how much system resource they
have used.

The license details include this section:

You are granted a license to try this program (OPCONSOL) until it is
released as a commercial product or as Shareware, after which time
you MUST register it or discontinue its use.  A Drop-Dead date will
be included in the next version of the software.

The version on Hobbes is 1.02.1. Has anyone ever come 'the *next* version' ?

--
John




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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    30-Dec-99 15:57:06
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: Inkjet printer recommendations

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Raphael Tennenbaum (raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net) wrote:

: Well, I *hadn't* frequented comp.periphs.printers, but I had
: a look.  I'm willing to give it a shot.  I found pointers to
: two or three places offering kits -- can you recommend one? 
: (Email if you think it better.)

	If in the US, I guess you can do pretty good by getting Al 
Anderson's inkjet refill kits.  He posts quite frequently there.  I'm in 
Canada, so I have only looked at the Canadian refill stores, the one that 
I have been recommended to is John Connelly's (http://www.image-control.com).

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From: tutf@dolphin.upenn.edu                            30-Dec-99 09:31:08
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: How to see chinese in English version Warp4?

From: "Tsung-Fang Tu" <tutf@dolphin.upenn.edu>

Hi! I'd like to know the method.
I have ever seen the solution about
three month agobut fotgot to write it
down. Thanks!

Tsung-Fang Tu



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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           30-Dec-99 11:19:07
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: Patent or Copyright

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

JNiffen wrote:
> 
> I have been hearing that IBM can't release OS/2 into open source because
> OS/2 part were designed by other companies.
> 
> What crossed my mind is, are these designs covered under copyrights or
> patents.  If so how long is an idea covered under a patent or a
> copyright.  Not that I think it would increase the chance of OS/2
> becoming "Open Source" but it was something that crossed my mind.
> 
> Thanks for the replies. (That is if there are any.)

There are probably some techniques protected by patents, which last that
I recall was 17 years of protection, but the rest is under copyright,
which in the US is now protected for 75 years after original creation
(thanks to lobbying by Disney and the other Hollywood crew, who were
realising that Mickey Mouse and many movies were otherwise going to come
out of protection, so they lobbied for it to be extended from 50 years).
Definitely the DOS and Windows stuff is copyright protected for Bill
Gates, and there may well be other parts all throughout the system by
them.

There is also the problem that other parts may used technology licensed
from other sources, or that is integral to certain security matters or
interfaces that are consistent across the IBM range of products. From
that perspective, there may be many sections that are IBM-specific
proprietary technologies that, if made Open Source in the OS/2 context,
could legally weaken the licenses for similar code or technologies under
OS/400, OS/390 or AIX. IIRC, for instance, IBM has technology licenses
from NeXT (now a part of Apple) around the object-oriented GUI, that are
of importance to the functionality of the WorkPlace Shell - as such they
could not release parts of that code without agreement of Apple/NeXT.
-- 

============================================================
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From: enaud@bellsouth.net                               30-Dec-99 11:59:00
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 14:30:05
Subj: Re: Help with WarpUp Indelible-Blue

From: Duane Chamblee <enaud@bellsouth.net>

rhein114@my-deja.com wrote:
> I just acquired a new PC SCSI based.
> 
> 1-Adaptec A2940U2W SCSI
> 2-IBM Ultra 2 SCSI 9.1 GB HD
> 3-Warp 4.0 client
> 4-WarpUp Fix Pack 12 for Warp 4.0 client from Indelible-Blue
> Since I have never applied a Fix-Pack help is needed.

Just a note (since so many good replies have already been posted).

Questions and comments for WarpUP! can be sent to

 warpup@indelible-blue.com

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From: b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov                          30-Dec-99 12:07:05
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Re: OPCONSOL.EXE

From: Bennie Nelson <b.l.nelson@larc.nasa.gov>

AFAIK, this program was the victim of a system failure.  I believe
the author posted some information stating that the source had been 
lost due to a hardware failure and he was hoping to recode the program 
in order to carry the project further.

I had tried to version that was posted on hobbes and was impressed by
it.  I was looking forward to seeing enhancments. 

Regards,
Bennie Nelson

John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> Has anyone come across OPCONSOL?
> 
> It has been available on Hobbes for a number of years, and provides the
> OS/2 equivalent of an MVS Operator's Console, and is quite a handy utility
> in terms of telling which files are loaded and how much system resource they
> have used.
> 
> The license details include this section:
> 
> You are granted a license to try this program (OPCONSOL) until it is
> released as a commercial product or as Shareware, after which time
> you MUST register it or discontinue its use.  A Drop-Dead date will
> be included in the next version of the software.
> 
> The version on Hobbes is 1.02.1. Has anyone ever come 'the *next* version' ?
> 
> --
> John

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From: madodel@ptdprolog.net                             30-Dec-99 18:35:00
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Re: OPCONSOL.EXE

From: madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel)

I did a review of Opconsol in the Oct VOICE Newsletter - 
http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL1097H/vnewsf.htm#reviews

Same version as you found on HOBBES.    The author, Gary Green 
contacted me and told me he had lost all his source for the 1.3 
version in a drive crash and was working on re-creating it.  That was 
two years ago and I have not heard anything more.  His email at the 
time was garygreen@ibm.net  Maybe you can drop him a line and find out
what happened.   Thanks for reminding me about it.  I'll have to try 
it out on WSeb.

Mark

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:19:53, jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk (John 
Poltorak) wrote:

-)Has anyone come across OPCONSOL?
-)
-)It has been available on Hobbes for a number of years, and provides the
-)OS/2 equivalent of an MVS Operator's Console, and is quite a handy utility
-)in terms of telling which files are loaded and how much system resource they
-)have used.
-)
-)The license details include this section:
-)
-)You are granted a license to try this program (OPCONSOL) until it is
-)released as a commercial product or as Shareware, after which time
-)you MUST register it or discontinue its use.  A Drop-Dead date will
-)be included in the next version of the software.
-)
-)The version on Hobbes is 1.02.1. Has anyone ever come 'the *next* version' ?
-)
-)--
-)John
-)
-)
-)
-)

--

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 From the Desk of: Mark Dodel, RN, BSN, MBA
             Healthcare Computer Consultant
                   madodel@ptdprolog.net
    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel

  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     30-Dec-99 17:20:15
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Re: SIO.SYS?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:04:31, Mark Schlegel <moschleg@erols.com> 
wrote:

> Good luck is right, I've been trying over and over to use the 
> download page  http://vmbbs.gwinn.com/updsio.htm  to get the
> latest copy as a registered user.  Netscape gets about 50k
> and the ftp quits each time.   Is there any other way to
> get a copy of the latest zip file?  I would use wget but
> because he uses some kind of cgi I can't find the link
> to the file.
>  
> thanks,
>  
> Mark
>  s

You could use VMODEM, and a normal Com program to log into the BBS 
over the internet. The instructions are in the VMODEM writeup (which 
you should have, if you are already a registered user).

I found that Netscape downloads work MUCH better, since I updated to 
the latest TCPIP fixes. Go to:

http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html

and check out UN_980 (near the bottom). After I installed that, I can 
do most Netscape downloads without any problems (be sure to READ the 
instructions).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     30-Dec-99 17:20:14
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Re: Installing Java 1.1.8 (Feature Installer?)

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:33:32, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

> Ivan / Alex (et all) ...
> 
> Thanks for the posts guys.  Now, to follow up on this just so's I understand 
it
> (and before I do something that I didn't want to do...) - as I stated
earlier, I
> created the recommended directory structure, and then unzipped the runtime
file
> (with the req'd switches) into the \features\feature1 directory.  I then ran 
the
> install and everything went as advertised (netscape started, and then I just
> followed the instructions) - beautiful.  :)  Is it safe to assume that I can 
blast
> the contents of "feature1", ie: deltree /y c:\features\feature1 ?  I now
have a
> "c:\java11" directory (in addition to the "javaos2" that was already there)
that
> I'm making the assumption that is where everything got installed to.  (more
or
> less...)  I'm not gonna blast "feature1" just yet 'till I get some sort of
> consensus from people reading this in the group who tell me that it is a
good (or
> not so good) thing to do.
> 
> Thanks guys...
> 

In fact, AFAIK, the ONLY part of Feature installer that actually gets 
used, is the Netscape plugin, that lives in the Netscape plugin 
directory. The rest is just so much excess bagage. Delete it, I did. 
(Keep the original install file, just in case something decides it 
needs something else).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 30-Dec-99 11:12:23
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Re: Inkjet printer recommendations

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:

>Raphael Tennenbaum (raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>
>: Well, I *hadn't* frequented comp.periphs.printers, but I had
>: a look.  I'm willing to give it a shot.  I found pointers to
>: two or three places offering kits -- can you recommend one? 
>: (Email if you think it better.)
>
>	If in the US, I guess you can do pretty good by getting Al 
>Anderson's inkjet refill kits.  He posts quite frequently there.  I'm in 
>Canada, so I have only looked at the Canadian refill stores, the one that 
>I have been recommended to is John Connelly's (http://www.image-control.com).


Well, I'd narrowed it down to those two!  AA is in New York
State, and I like his informative posts, but I sort of like
JC's site presentation, so I may go with him.  Thanks, John.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            30-Dec-99 18:01:05
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Re: Yamaha CDRW drive

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

You do not need any drivers (other than the drivers for your SCSI
adapter) to use your CDRW drive to read CD-ROM disks.

Writing CD-R or CD-RW disks is another story. CDRecord/2 is freeware
(look on Hobbes), but although many people find it useful, I couldn't
get it to work on my system. The fully functioning but time-limited demo
of CDWriter, a commercial package from Germany, works well for me, but
it is expensive: about the same price from Indelible Blue as my Yamaha
6x4x16 cost. Go to www.rsj.de for details and to download the demo
version.

I haven't yet tried doing a backup to a CD-R or CD-RW disk, but it
shoudl be possible if you have the CDWriter software, which assigns a
drive letter to the CDRW machine. One could then do a backup to that
drive using a program like BackAgain/2 or BackAgain/2000 or PowerQuest's
DriveImage. If your boot drive were FAT, you could backup to and restore
from CD-R(W) using XCOPY with the /h /o /t /s /e /r /v parameters, but I
don't think will work with an HPFS partition because a CD-ROM can't
handle HPFS. Some people are using ZIP and UNZIP -- the OS/2 versions,
which do handle HPFS and Extended Attributes -- to create and extract
from one or more .ZIP files on a CD-R(W).

HTH.

Alan


tom wrote:
> 
> I just purchased a Yamaha 4x4x16 CDRW drive, where can I find
> drivers for Warp 4 FP11?
> 
> How do I do a total system back up to the CDR?
> 
> Will I be able to restore from the CD if I would need to??
> If so, how?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> --
> 
> --
> Tom Street
> 920-693-2824
> 
>    S E M C O
>          Street Electric Manufacturing Company
>       Mfg. of the QuadJoy mouse for quadriplegics
>       and people with high mobility impairments.
> 
>          see it at  http://www.quadjoy.com

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            30-Dec-99 18:05:16
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Porting to OS/2

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

From a purely technical point of view, how difficult would it be to
create a native OS/2 version of a program originally written for Windoze
Whatever if one had source code in C, C++, or Assembly Language?

I am asking in order to satisfy my curiosity, not because I pretend that
I would be able to do it.

Alan

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From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Vi...               30-Dec-99 19:11:05
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 16:33:21
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

Message sender: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca

From: Exovede@ImpaleTheSpammers.Com@Videotron.ca (Michel A Goyette)

Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:05:33, Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net> a 
crit:

> From a purely technical point of view, how difficult would it be to
> create a native OS/2 version of a program originally written for Windoze
> Whatever if one had source code in C, C++, or Assembly Language?
> 
> I am asking in order to satisfy my curiosity, not because I pretend that
> I would be able to do it.

	It is my understanding that coding for OS/2 is easier than Windows in
term of usage of APIs.

Salut,

	Michel (sur OS/2 Warp 4.12)
	ICQ #13376913
	http://pages.infinit.net/exovede

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From: jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.or...               30-Dec-99 11:10:01
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:11
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

Message sender: jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.org.invalid

From: John Desmarais <jdesmaraNOjdSPAM@novanthealth.org.invalid>

In article <386B9EEC.45D52AA5@optonline.net>, Alan Beagley
<abeagley@optonline.net> wrote:
> From a purely technical point of view, how difficult would it be to
> create a native OS/2 version of a program originally written for
> Windoze
> Whatever if one had source code in C, C++, or Assembly Language?
> I am asking in order to satisfy my curiosity, not because I
> pretend that
> I would be able to do it.


If written in C, it is probably free of any actual API calls, so
possibly quite easy - just recompile and go.

C++ gets a little stickier, but if it is free of API calls it's easy. 
If it only uses API calls that are supported by OS/2's OPEN32, it's
still not too bad, but I've found that using OPEN32 produces slow
applications.  If the program makes extensive use of Win32 API calls
that are not supported by OPEN32, it'll be a chore.

Assembly.  I have never written a program in Assembly for an Intel
based system so I have no idea.  All of my Assembly experience was on
old Motorola CPUs.

-=>John Desmarais


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 30-Dec-99 20:45:14
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:11
Subj: Re: How to see chinese in English version Warp4?

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <84fqaq$p56$1@netnews.upenn.edu>, "Tsung-Fang Tu" <tutf@dolphin.upenn.edu>
writes:
>Hi! I'd like to know the method.
>I have ever seen the solution about
>three month agobut fotgot to write it
>down. Thanks!
>
>Tsung-Fang Tu
>

"chinese" -- simplified characters or traditional ? 
HTML is easy - Netscape settings under Options,
Languages, etc will do.

for text, e.exe will work - if you have Unicode
installed (warp 4 has by default ? - if not you
can install it from the Java package) you need
to change your secondary codepage to 1381 for
simplified or 950 for traditional characters. Then
from a commandline do "chcp 1381" (or 950.)
Then open your app *from the session in the
alternate codepage* as "e.exe" or whatever.
I know E.exe works, MR/2 ICE sort of works, 
supposedly any "national language-aware"
app also works. Supposedly, as I haven't 
always had good success with this system. 
Oh, you also have to choose Times New Roman 
MT 30 or another Unicode font.

Other choices : I just spent a week hunting up
someone who would actually *sell* the Chinese
version of OS/2. Best price for P-Warp v4 at this
writing is $ 275, but maybe if a few more people 
want to make a group purchase . . . . this way you 
could actually input Chinese characters as well . . . the 
possibilities are staggering ! Imagine, actually *writing* 
in characters !!!! 

there is a simple input method at hobbes, which 
works fairly well usually and has instructions. 

there is WarpMATE which is not sold any longer
and which doesn't work with fixpacks on Warp 4
anyway. For that matter, I can't get it to work
on Warp 3 either, but the idea is good.

Easiest method is to get NeXT, a Macintosh, or
any variety of Windows. OR, (a new idea !) you
can still buy Chinese Windows 3.1 easily, I wonder
if this could be installed as Chinese Winos2 ?? That
might be a very good solution. Chinese Star and 
Richwin will both run in Winos2 : though that's not 
as nice as real OS/2, at least it works.

lots of methods, just none of them very good  :-)

--
hrad ngravvd

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 30-Dec-99 20:49:07
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:11
Subj: Re: Patent or Copyright

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-nVwmEcYL17dq@agave.bitranch.com>, esther@bitranch.com
(Esther Schindler) writes:
>They're covered under contract. And those agreements *don't* expire 
>unless the contract says they do -- which would be completely unlikely
>in such circumstances.
>
>Patent and copyright have nothing (or little) to do with this matter.
>
>--Esther
>

Contracts without time limits have generally been held to be invalid.

--
hrad ngravvd

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From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com                              30-Dec-99 20:05:06
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:11
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

From: spamtrap@cds-inc.com (Brad Benson)

Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net> wrote:

] From a purely technical point of view, how difficult would it be to
] create a native OS/2 version of a program originally written for Windoze
] Whatever if one had source code in C, C++, or Assembly Language?
] 
] I am asking in order to satisfy my curiosity, not because I pretend that
] I would be able to do it.

It really depends on how the existing application leverages the
underlying Windows API.  Frankly, there are some things that OS/2 just
plain doesn't have that Win32 does - if the application used those
items (fibres, I/O completion ports, etc.) then some redesign and/or
additional coding may be required.

Can you be more specific?

Cheers,

Brad
replace "spamtrap" with "benson" in my reply address

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    30-Dec-99 21:18:28
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: How can I...?

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:08:58, Jim Danvers <jim.danvers@mindex.com> 
wrote:

> Why?  The objective here is that if I'm at work, and I want to get to
> something on my PC, I could just have my wife or someone at the house
> fire up the connection and have it auto-magically send me the IP address

Well, as long as you have REXX support loaded....should be easy.

How's about this for a really low resource solution?

REXX script...

Dials

Waits a minute

Connects to the SMTP server at the ISP
talks SMTP to it to send you the IP address
disconnects

SMTP is VERY easy, and if you load the REXX IP support you won't even 
need a mailer for the command line!


-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: nospam_ktk@netlabs.org                            30-Dec-99 22:48:27
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

From: "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org>

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:05:33 GMT, Alan Beagley wrote:

>From a purely technical point of view, how difficult would it be to
>create a native OS/2 version of a program originally written for Windoze
>Whatever if one had source code in C, C++, or Assembly Language?

If you want to port a Win32-Application you can use Odin, the new open source
project (aka Win32-OS/2). We are working on a full Win32-API Implementation
for OS/2, in the final state you should be able to just recompile your
Win32-Application on OS/2 with Odin to get a native OS/2 Version. Read more
about it at http://www.netlabs.org/odin/

cu

Adrian


---
Adrian Gschwend
@ OS/2 Netlabs

ICQ: 22419590
ktk@netlabs.org
-------
The OS/2 OpenSource Project:
http://www.netlabs.org


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               30-Dec-99 22:23:08
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Patent or Copyright

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:49:14, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:
| Contracts without time limits have generally been held to be invalid.

That may be true.

However, those contracts had IBM lawyers all over 'em like stink on a 
skunk. (I know of one book contract submitted by IBM that was 64 pages
long -- when the usual book contract is no more than 3 pages.) You can
be sure that they're complete in that regard.

And, in any case, if there *were* a time limit it wouldn't be for as 
little time as has passed since 2.0 was developed. So it's still a 
moot point.

--Esther


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From: pdrumm@dwave.net                                  30-Dec-99 22:59:20
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Inkjet printer recommendations

From: pdrumm@dwave.net (Peter Drumm)

In message <386aa74e$1$woehfu$mr2ice@news.aros.net> -
jbrush@aros.netWed, 29 Dec 1999 17:25:35 -0700 writes:
:->
:->
:->>I don't recommend refilling -any- cartridge, my old Epson Stylus 800 was
:->>completely ruined by doing that.
:->
:->What happened? How did refilling ruin your printer? I would be interested
:->in how it happened.
:->

It plugged the nozzles in the printhead to the point of no return. I
cleaned(or tried to) the printhead a couple times(about a 3 hour job),
but could never get all the junk out. I finally had to toss the
printer, a new printhead cost ~3x what the printer was worth.

Custom machining; Tool & Cutter grinding
Peter Drumm, Wausau WI  <pdrumm@dwave.net> 
<http://home.dwave.net/~pdrumm>
Cyrix6x86/300 MII, OS/2 Warp 4, Linux

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From: pdrumm@dwave.net                                  30-Dec-99 22:59:21
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Inkjet printer recommendations

From: pdrumm@dwave.net (Peter Drumm)

In message <84edca$ppf$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> -
jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)30 Dec 1999 01:43:38 GMT
writes:
:->
:->jbrush@aros.net wrote:
:->
:->: >I don't recommend refilling -any- cartridge, my old Epson Stylus 800 was
:->: >completely ruined by doing that.
:->
:->: What happened? How did refilling ruin your printer? I would be interested
:->: in how it happened.
:->
:->	The chance of ruining a printer by refilling is not that high, 
:->however, that is not true when it comes to Epson printers.  They 
:->have their printheads permenantly attached to the printer.  So any 
:->mistake could prove fatal for it by a novice.  There are plenty of 
:->cleaning tips for clogged Epson printers but if they don't work, you are 
:->screwed, especially if it is out of warrenty.

I'm hardly a novice John, I've been doing electronics work(as a hobby)
most of my life, computers for 20 years. I did take the printhead out
to clean it a couple times, but there was just no way to get all the
junk out.

Custom machining; Tool & Cutter grinding
Peter Drumm, Wausau WI  <pdrumm@dwave.net> 
<http://home.dwave.net/~pdrumm>
Cyrix6x86/300 MII, OS/2 Warp 4, Linux

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From: rde@tavi.co.uk                                    30-Dec-99 23:04:21
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 19:59:12
Subj: Re: Using echo in a script

From: rde@tavi.co.uk (Bob Eager)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:24:05, "Jeff D. Roesner" <jeffr@warsawcoil.com>
wrote:

> #!/usr/bin/sh
> echo Content-type: text/html
> echo
> echo `uptime|awk '{print $3, $4, $5}'`
> 
> I found an uptime program on Hobbes that I would like to use on the web
> pages served on my OS/2 box.  The only problem is, I don't know how to take
> the output of my uptime program and use echo to print the results.

First....I'm assuming the OS/2 program you've found is a text mode 
one, that writes to standard output (if it isn't, I have one 
somewhere).

Second, I question the NEED for echo even in the UNIX shell script 
you're using. The last line could surely be:

    uptime|awk '{print $3, $4, $5}'

Why use the back quotes anyway (even on a UNIX shell)? They say "send 
the standard output of the bit in back quotes as a textual replacement
in the command line". Then what do you do with it? You send it to 
standard output! Surely an unnecessary complication....

So, on OS/2, use the same script (less the # line of course).

-- 
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: tstreet@excel.net                                 30-Dec-99 17:15:24
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 21:20:00
Subj: Re: Yamaha CDRW drive

From: tom <tstreet@excel.net>


pjfloyd@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <386A82DB.D7EB947@excel.net>,
>   tom <tstreet@excel.net> wrote:
> > I just purchased a Yamaha 4x4x16 CDRW drive, where can I find
> > drivers for Warp 4 FP11?
>
> You don't need specific drivers for the CDRW. The drivers
> you install for your SCSI host card should be enough. You might
> need some extras like an ASPI driver.
>
> > How do I do a total system back up to the CDR?
>
> Not sure about that one. Perhaps one of the commercial
> products supports CDR(W) as backup target.
>
> One of the problems is that CDR(W) does not support
> EAs. Another problem would be if your backup selection
> exceeds the capacity of 1 CD.
>
> One possibility might be to use InfoZip to create 1 or more
> zip files (containing EAs), copy this to CDRW with a tool
> like cdrecord (with or without one of the GUI front-ends).

I saw in one of the package info sheets that the disk can/has tobe
formatted.  Thus accepting EA's

>
>
> > Will I be able to restore from the CD if I would need to??
> > If so, how?
>
> See above. Restoring is always best done when not booted
> from the target drive (otherwise you have all sorts of
> open file conflicts).
>
> If you have recovery diskettes with your SCSI drivers and
> InfoZip unzip, restoring from CDs shouldn't be too hard.
>
> HTH
> Paul
> --
> Paul Floyd
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.



--

--
Tom Street
920-693-2824

   S E M C O
         Street Electric Manufacturing Company
      Mfg. of the QuadJoy mouse for quadriplegics
      and people with high mobility impairments.

         see it at  http://www.quadjoy.com


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From: jbrush@aros.net                                   30-Dec-99 16:17:02
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 21:20:00
Subj: Re: Inkjet printer recommendations

From: jbrush@aros.net


>I'm hardly a novice John, I've been doing electronics work(as a hobby)
>most of my life, computers for 20 years. I did take the printhead out to
>clean it a couple times, but there was just no way to get all the junk
>out.

You need practice reading usenet postings tho :) I didn't write that
paragraph questioning your skill.

I just wondered what had happened. 

Regards,

John

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                30-Dec-99 18:20:10
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 21:20:00
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <386B9EEC.45D52AA5@optonline.net>, on 12/30/99 
   at 06:05 PM, Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net> said:

>From a purely technical point of view, how difficult would it be to
>create a native OS/2 version of a program originally written for Windoze
>Whatever if one had source code in C, C++, or Assembly Language?

>I am asking in order to satisfy my curiosity, not because I pretend that
>I would be able to do it.

Back in my C++/Zinc days there was a hack being sold as a commercial
product which was ported MFC code.  I believe it was Bristol, but don't
remember.  Was so very long ago.  I know PowerBuilder used it to port to a
bunch of unix platforms.  At one time they also had an OS/2 library, but
it might have been beta only.  In theory you could just cross compiler
your code then.

Roland

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From: christian.g@ibm.net                               30-Dec-99 20:58:28
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 23:19:05
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Christian Gustafson" <christian.g@ibm.net>

"Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote in message
news:IjLa4.1323$X2.43226@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> What have YOU done to bust a union today?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I donated to Rudy Giuliani's Senate campaign, does that count for something?

> Work better: Work union-free.

Someday, <sniff>, there won't be any unions.  What a proud day that will be!

--
:::::=====  Christian Gustafson
:::::=====  Marina City, Chicago
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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 31-Dec-99 00:34:18
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 23:19:05
Subj: Re: Patent or Copyright

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-fHndx7wk5NqS@agave.bitranch.com>, esther@bitranch.com
(Esther Schindler) writes:
>On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:49:14, hamei@pacbell.net wrote:

>> Contracts without time limits have generally been held to be invalid.
>
>That may be true.
>

It is true - that's one reason even wedding contracts have "till
death us do part"  in the wording !

>However, those contracts had IBM lawyers all over 'em like stink on a 
>skunk. (I know of one book contract submitted by IBM that was 64 pages
>long -- when the usual book contract is no more than 3 pages.) You can
>be sure that they're complete in that regard.
>
>And, in any case, if there *were* a time limit it wouldn't be for as 
>little time as has passed since 2.0 was developed. So it's still a 
>moot point.
>

oh sure, I agree with you there : much more to the point is that
even if it *were* very simple for IBM to O-Source OS/2 it would be
extremely unlikely for other reasons. We need to face the fact that IBM 
is putting a lot of effort into changing itself from a supplier of goods
to a company which gets paid for 'service.' OS/2 is a corporate hindrance
now, not an asset. The longer OS/2 takes to die the worse it is dollar-wise 
for IBM (in the overall picture.) No matter how much money they can make 
from selling OS/2 stuff, they feel they'd make more by using that time in 
support of other products. They continue to support OS/2 to the extent 
necessary because there is no choice (yet) - IBM banks on Brand Recognition.
Brand Recognition for large firms with beaucoup dollars does not yet include 
the concept of "Buy my stuff this week and then buy some more of my stuff 
next week if you still want anything to work." That's not to say that someday 
it can't be that way at IBM as well ! We are just the lucky recipients of the 
fact that several large firms bought OS/2 and IBM can't yet put them out in 
the cold. When it becomes financially advantageous to do so they will. If 
they *wanted* to release OS/2 as Open Source they certainly could -- they 
surely have all the resources necessary to "clean-room" it and hand it over 
but it's a safe bet they will not. Not just IBM, but *all* corporations are
about
making Money, nothing else. The longer OS/2 hangs around the worse, from 
a strictly financial perspective. As bad as Linux is, Open Source will be the
only road in the future to choose what is best for Us, not what makes the 
most $$ for Them. Ironically, Linux appears to have a future as a source of
income for IBM as well ! If they'd do the Workplace shell for AIX that might 
be fun too . . 

( not trying to be critical of IBM - just point out that the goals of a 
commercial establishment and the needs of us users are not the same 
thing. For examples look to Apple - when they were talking "yellow
box" and rhapsody on intel and clones where were they -vs- currently. 
What's great for a consumer isn't necessarily good for a company.)

anyway, contracts do all have time limits (one of the things that killed the 
Panama Canal contract was that "in perpetuity" part), but that's not what's 
gonna keep us from getting Open OS/2. 

on a note related to IBM and contracts, read an interesting ditty
the other day from someone who said he "knew that the Stardock
thing would never happen the instant he read about it." Apparently
IBM has *never* continued forward with anyone who'd discussed
their prospects before signing a contract.  If so, all think of all those
wasted bytes that were floating through here ! 

>--Esther
>
>


--
hrad ngravvd

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          31-Dec-99 02:00:07
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 23:19:05
Subj: Re: Yamaha CDRW drive

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <386A82DB.D7EB947@excel.net> tstreet@excel.net "tom" writes:

> [...]
>
> How do I do a total system back up to the CDR?

Need you do a "total" backup?  I have a straightforward REXX file
which controls a series of Zip tasks on any directory hierarchies
I cannot replace from distribution disks/CDs/&c.  Also copied are
the Zip prog, CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT, OS2.INI, OS2SYS.INI, that
REXX file and a couple of other minor suchlikes.

This procedure does, however, benefit from a HDD which has been
organised logically.  People who throw everything into \TEMP and
plan to sort it out later may experience a few problems.  ;-)

Typical line:
	pkzip "/add /attr=all /path=root /recurse /zipdate=none
			f:\PMVIEW.zip c:\PMVIEW\*.*"

From this I get a CD containing a number of normal *.ZIP files.

> Will I be able to restore from the CD if I would need to??
> If so, how?

Reverse the process as selectively as you want and/or are able.

FWIW I use RSJ's software with a Yamaha 4416S.  XCOPY works well.

You may be very sure I shall be doing this again not long before
the New Year begins.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: traymond@craftedsmalltalk.com                     30-Dec-99 21:50:05
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 23:19:05
Subj: How to move Fix Pak archive directory?

From: "Terry Raymond" <traymond@craftedsmalltalk.com>

Hi

I believe the last Fix Pak I applied to Warp 3 was 26.  Since then
I moved the Warp OS2 directory to another drive.  Now I want
to apply Fix Pak 40 and it is trying to use the old drive letter.
How do  I change it to use the relocated drive letter?  I cannot
apply the Fix Pak until I can give it a valid archive directory.
Creating a new directory under the old drive letter does not do
the trick.

Thanks.

--
Terry
===========================================================
Terry Raymond       Smalltalk Professional Debug Package
Crafted Smalltalk   *Breakpoints* and *Watchpoints* for
19 Tilley Ave.                  VW and ENVY/Developer
Newport, RI  02840
(401) 846-6573      traymond@craftedsmalltalk.com
http://www.craftedsmalltalk.com
===========================================================




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From: bookter@NoCannedPork.mindspring.com               31-Dec-99 03:13:03
  To: All                                               30-Dec-99 23:19:05
Subj: bochs/2 bochsrc file settings?

From: bookter@NoCannedPork.mindspring.com (Jerry Bookter)

Hi Folks--

About a year ago I had loaded up bochs/2 and successfully gotten w95 to run on
it, but verrrrry slowly (I had a K6-200 at the time). Now I have a P2-400 and
the performance jump doesn't seem to be all that significant, and I'm having
some severe problems with the keyboard not responding at times, especially
after a chkdsk where it asks you to fix, don't fix, or cancel. Are there any
tweaks that I can perform?

This is my bochsrc file. Has anyone else had any luck? What are the optimum
VGA refresh, keyboard rate, floppy delay, and ips settings for a P2-400? I
have fooled around and fooled around and fooled around but the keyboard
malfunction is particularly frustrating & hasn't been fixed by *any* tweaking
I did.

Thanks!

===============================================
megs: 32

romimage: file=./rombios, address=0xf0000

vgaromimage: ./vgabios

private_colormap: enabled=0

videomode: emulated
#videomode: direct
#videomode: text

boot: c

floppya: 1_44=a:, status=inserted
#floppya: 1_44=./winnt4/nt4_1.dsk, status=inserted
#floppya: 1_44=./winnt4/cdboot1.img, status=inserted
#floppya: 1_44=a:, status=ejected

diskc: file=./10M.IMG, cyl=1024, heads=16, spt=63
#diskc: file=1:, cyl=0, heads=0, spt=0
#diskc: file=2:, cyl=0, heads=0, spt=0
#diskc: file=3:, cyl=0, heads=0, spt=0
#diskc: file=./winnt4/vhdimg.dat, cyl=1800, heads=15, spt=17
#diskc: file=./win95/vhdimg.dat, cyl=900, heads=15, spt=17
#diskc: file=./minlinux/vhdimg.dat, cyl=615, heads=6, spt=17
#diskc: file=./pcdos63/vhdimg.dat, cyl=615, heads=6, spt=17
#diskc: file=./win31/vhdimg.dat, cyl=615, heads=6, spt=17
#diskc: file=./doslinux/vhdimg.dat, cyl=940, heads=8, spt=17
#diskc: file=./zipimg/vhdimg.dat, cyl=767, heads=8, spt=32
#diskc: file=./minix/vhdimg.dat, cyl=615, heads=6, spt=17

cdromd: dev=g:, status=inserted

i440fxsupport: enabled=0

newharddrivesupport: enabled=1

lpt1: file=./print.txt
#lpt1: file=prn

log: ./bochs.out

vga_update_interval: 300000 #microseconds

keyboard_serial_delay: 800  #microseconds

floppy_command_delay: 20000   #microseconds

ips: 1000000

mouse: enabled=1

#sb16: midimode=0, midi=/dev/midi00, wavemode=1, wave=/dev/dsp, loglevel=0,
log=./sb16.log

#ne2k: ioaddr=0x300, irq=0x10, mac=1 1 1 1 1
===================================================


--Jerry in Columbia
WARP'der'n hell down South with OS/2
*Visit Big Boy and Sweetheart's (tm)Parrot-Approved Web Site at*
http://www.conterra.com/bookter/bigboy.htm

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From: see.sig@the.end                                   30-Dec-99 23:15:13
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 03:17:18
Subj: Re: dBASE clone wanted

From: Michael <see.sig@the.end>

John Poltorak wrote:
> Yes, I know it runs, but it's just not the same as having a native version.
> 
> >-bc-

I have dBase IV.  $5 closeout at an Office Max 2 years ago.  Learning
curve was too steep for the time I had available, so it's now
shelfware.  I looked into Big Blue's database but am not wealthy.  So I
stick with PCFile.

Native apps aren't always the best option.  Navigator runs slow on my
machine but I use it.  WordPerfect was a nightmare; I went back to using
v5.0 in a VDM.  In fact, looking at my desktop, I've got a grand total
of two native OS/2 apps.  Everything else is DOS ... with some Win31
trash sprinkled in for flavor.

-- 
Michael    who thinks Warp 3 is the latest and greatest
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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 31-Dec-99 03:41:26
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 03:17:19
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  Hello,

In <386be91d$3$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,
yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net writes:
>In <386B9EEC.45D52AA5@optonline.net>, on 12/30/99 
>   at 06:05 PM, Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net> said:
>
>>From a purely technical point of view, how difficult would it be to
>>create a native OS/2 version of a program originally written for Windoze
>>Whatever if one had source code in C, C++, or Assembly Language?
>
>>I am asking in order to satisfy my curiosity, not because I pretend that
>>I would be able to do it.
>
>Back in my C++/Zinc days there was a hack being sold as a commercial
>product which was ported MFC code.  I believe it was Bristol, but don't
>remember.  Was so very long ago.  I know PowerBuilder used it to port to a
>bunch of unix platforms.  At one time they also had an OS/2 library, but
>it might have been beta only.  In theory you could just cross compiler
>your code then.

  This presumes that the original code was built with anything resembling a
cross compiler.  Since not too many products under that OS seems to care 
about that concept its probably fair to presume a little work is needed.

  If you can technically seperate the work from the UI it boils down to a
rewrite of the UI portion.  The first port usually means a little rewrite for
other concepts that helps in the next port.  OS/2, and other so called
alternative OSs that have been around for a while, have a more solid
foundation upon which to build (IMHO).  My impression of Windows Development
is that you add concepts as you get a better platform.  [i.e. threads, pipes,
semaphores]  Some of these require NT before you can use them.  OS/2 and
Unix (and its variants) always had the full base upon which to build.  The
improvements made to these OSs were new concepts like UIs.  They also 
differ in that a new concept rarely warrants a new OS release.  Thats why
adding a web browser to the OS seems a bit unusual.

  Have fun,

  David

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From: garygreen@home.com                                31-Dec-99 14:10:06
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: OPCONSOL.EXE

From: "Gary Green" <garygreen@home.com>

OPCONSOL, now that's a program I've not thought about for a while...  Well,
I gotta tell ya, it's been a while since I've worked on OPCONSOL; gotta pay
the mortgage you know and it's difficult paying it on money earned from some
of my past OS/2 work.

Also, I had a very severe system crash which left me with missing source
code, most of it for OPCONSOL. Anyone out there capable of recovering an
HPFS formatted drive which lost it's partition table structure when I
attempted to install NT Client software.

So, to answer your question, there has been no 'official' release of
OPCONSOL, yet.  Hopefully soon (which is similar to what I said about a year
ago).

Gary Green
EverGreen Systems


John Poltorak wrote in message <386b7819.0@katana.legend.co.uk>...
>Has anyone come across OPCONSOL?
>
>It has been available on Hobbes for a number of years, and provides the
>OS/2 equivalent of an MVS Operator's Console, and is quite a handy utility
>in terms of telling which files are loaded and how much system resource
they
>have used.
>
>The license details include this section:
>
>You are granted a license to try this program (OPCONSOL) until it is
>released as a commercial product or as Shareware, after which time
>you MUST register it or discontinue its use.  A Drop-Dead date will
>be included in the next version of the software.
>
>The version on Hobbes is 1.02.1. Has anyone ever come 'the *next* version'
?
>
>--
>John
>
>
>
>


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From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com                           31-Dec-99 13:57:21
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: Seasons Greetings

From: gczerw@home.No-Spam.com (George Czerw)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:25:49, fwkirk@attglobal.net (Frank Kirk) wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 18:36:03, lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) 
> wrote:
> 
> > To everyone on the group
> > 
> > Merry Christmas and a Warped New Year
> > 
> > (at least to those who will not be offended by
> > the greeting :-))
> 
> 	I don't care if it's warped, just so long as its prosperous!  <bg>
> 
> FWK

A joyful and prosperous penultimate millenial New Year to all!  /;=]

George


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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net                31-Dec-99 08:44:17
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net

In <5CVa4.37095$Ym1.1233181@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, on 12/31/99 
   at 03:41 AM, DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue) said:

>  Hello,

>In <386be91d$3$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,
>yyyc186.illegaltospam@flashcom.net writes: >In
><386B9EEC.45D52AA5@optonline.net>, on 12/30/99  >   at 06:05 PM, Alan
>Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net> said: >
>>>From a purely technical point of view, how difficult would it be to
>>>create a native OS/2 version of a program originally written for Windoze
>>>Whatever if one had source code in C, C++, or Assembly Language?
>>
>>>I am asking in order to satisfy my curiosity, not because I pretend that
>>>I would be able to do it.
>>
>>Back in my C++/Zinc days there was a hack being sold as a commercial
>>product which was ported MFC code.  I believe it was Bristol, but don't
>>remember.  Was so very long ago.  I know PowerBuilder used it to port to a
>>bunch of unix platforms.  At one time they also had an OS/2 library, but
>>it might have been beta only.  In theory you could just cross compiler
>>your code then.

>  This presumes that the original code was built with anything resembling
>a cross compiler.  Since not too many products under that OS seems to
>care  about that concept its probably fair to presume a little work is
>needed.

No it doesn't.  According to the ads for Bristol it was an exact port of
the win32 API in a library.  You just recompiled your MFC code and linked
with their library.  At least that is how they marketed the library.

Roland

-- 
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".illegaltospam"
                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
                            For a Microsoft free univers
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From: nospam@null                                       31-Dec-99 15:26:29
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Y2KOK ISp Bitten

From: nospam@null (Richard A Crane)

For those of you worried about Y2K (at UTC + 9:30 I am ahead of most of you) , 

my OS/2 system clocked over nicely with nary a worry - however I of my 2 ISP's 

is down!
Belated Merry Xmas and a timely Happy New year

Richard A Crane
Barrister & Solicitor
slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT octa4.net.au 
OR rcrane AT attglobal.net

ps General Protection Fault ... Retry or Replace General and continue? 
Civil libertaians may continue anyway?

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From: jenuths@homacjen.ab.ca                            31-Dec-99 16:05:20
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: jenuths@homacjen.ab.ca

In can.politics Siobhan Medeiros <sbm@direct.ca> wrote:


> But Steven, you always insist that it is the shareholders who are in
> control of the corporation  Therefore, by your own logic, they are
> reponsible, unless you advocate control without responsibility.  

The whole idea of limited liability companies is that the shareholders
have control without any responsibility.

-- 
Best regards,

Stephen Jenuth
(jenuths@homacjen.ab.ca)

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

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From: madodel@ptdprolog.net                             31-Dec-99 15:33:02
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: OPCONSOL.EXE

From: madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel)

Gary,

Glad to see you are still around.  Just to let you know OPCONSOL 
1.02.1 runs fine on my Warp Server ebusiness SMP machine.  Since I'm 
not doing much mainframe programming anylonger, it is a blast to see 
that operators console window on my pc.    

You might be able to recover that data with Chris Graham's Utilities, 
assuming you have a bootable OS/2 partition to run them from.    Also 
I have heard that CHKDSK /F:3 may resurrect data off an HPFS 
partition, but I have never done this.  You might want to contact 
Chris for advise - chrisg@warpspeed.com.au

Mark

On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:10:13, "Gary Green" <garygreen@home.com> wrote:

-)OPCONSOL, now that's a program I've not thought about for a while...  Well,
-)I gotta tell ya, it's been a while since I've worked on OPCONSOL; gotta pay
-)the mortgage you know and it's difficult paying it on money earned from some
-)of my past OS/2 work.
-)
-)Also, I had a very severe system crash which left me with missing source
-)code, most of it for OPCONSOL. Anyone out there capable of recovering an
-)HPFS formatted drive which lost it's partition table structure when I
-)attempted to install NT Client software.
-)
-)So, to answer your question, there has been no 'official' release of
-)OPCONSOL, yet.  Hopefully soon (which is similar to what I said about a year
-)ago).
-)
-)Gary Green
-)EverGreen Systems
-)
-)
-)John Poltorak wrote in message <386b7819.0@katana.legend.co.uk>...
-)>Has anyone come across OPCONSOL?
-)>
-)>It has been available on Hobbes for a number of years, and provides the
-)>OS/2 equivalent of an MVS Operator's Console, and is quite a handy utility
-)>in terms of telling which files are loaded and how much system resource
-)they
-)>have used.
-)>
-)>The license details include this section:
-)>
-)>You are granted a license to try this program (OPCONSOL) until it is
-)>released as a commercial product or as Shareware, after which time
-)>you MUST register it or discontinue its use.  A Drop-Dead date will
-)>be included in the next version of the software.
-)>
-)>The version on Hobbes is 1.02.1. Has anyone ever come 'the *next* version'
-)?
-)>
-)>--
-)>John
-)>
-)>
-)>
-)>
-)
-)

--

---------------------------------------------------------
 From the Desk of: Mark Dodel, RN, BSN, MBA
             Healthcare Computer Consultant
                   madodel@ptdprolog.net
    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel

  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
             http://www.os2voice.org/index.html
---------------------------------------------------------


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From: garygreen@home.com                                31-Dec-99 15:47:05
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: OPCONSOL.EXE

From: "Gary Green" <garygreen@home.com>

Well,  I just got off the phone with someone at an old Client site and just
happened to mention OPCONSOL (they're running it on multiple systems in
production). Anyway, he said they have an old backup CD of a workstation was
using while working on-site and it may contain some/most of the source code
for the latest version on OPCONSOL.

If this turns out to be true, then I all I need do is get another drive for
my Dell Laptop so I can install OS/2 on it and I'm back in business.  I'll
have plenty of time on my hands at my latest client (it's out of the area
and I'll be there all week with nothing better to do after hours).

So, does anyone out there in, the remaining, OS2 land have any additional
suggestions for improving OPCONSOL?

Gary Green
EverGreen Systems

>OPCONSOL, now that's a program I've not thought about for a while...  Well,
>I gotta tell ya, it's been a while since I've worked on OPCONSOL; gotta pay
>the mortgage you know and it's difficult paying it on money earned from
some
>of my past OS/2 work.
>
>Also, I had a very severe system crash which left me with missing source
>code, most of it for OPCONSOL. Anyone out there capable of recovering an
>HPFS formatted drive which lost it's partition table structure when I
>attempted to install NT Client software.
>
>So, to answer your question, there has been no 'official' release of
>OPCONSOL, yet.  Hopefully soon (which is similar to what I said about a
year
>ago).
>
>Gary Green
>EverGreen Systems
>
>
>John Poltorak wrote in message <386b7819.0@katana.legend.co.uk>...
>>Has anyone come across OPCONSOL?
>>
>>It has been available on Hobbes for a number of years, and provides the
>>OS/2 equivalent of an MVS Operator's Console, and is quite a handy utility
>>in terms of telling which files are loaded and how much system resource
>they
>>have used.
>>
>>The license details include this section:
>>
>>You are granted a license to try this program (OPCONSOL) until it is
>>released as a commercial product or as Shareware, after which time
>>you MUST register it or discontinue its use.  A Drop-Dead date will
>>be included in the next version of the software.
>>
>>The version on Hobbes is 1.02.1. Has anyone ever come 'the *next* version'
>?
>>
>>--
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com                              31-Dec-99 15:49:23
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: StarDraw vrs. CorelDraw5?

From: cotroneo@stny.rr.com

In <386873A9.D456DE30@nl.compuware.com>, Jasper de Keijzer
<jasper_de_keijzer@nl.compuware.com> writes:
>Why don't you have a look at DrawIt?
>http://www.bmtmicro.com/catalog/drawit.html
>
>regards,
>Jasper de Keijzer.
>

Hi Jasper,

I took a look at Drawit. It appears to be a nice, clean application.
For basic drawing, it seems quite adequate. For advanced effects,
the feature set is slim compared to corel. For example, corel has
an envelope feature for stretching text into any shape. I didn't
see this one in drawit.

Probably not a fair comparison. Corel is quite expensive.

Hope you will continue to develop your product.

Keith

Keith Cotroneo
cotroneo@stny.rr.com

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    31-Dec-99 15:25:28
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: Inkjet printer recommendations

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Peter Drumm (pdrumm@dwave.net) wrote:

: I'm hardly a novice John, I've been doing electronics work(as a hobby)
: most of my life, computers for 20 years. I did take the printhead out
: to clean it a couple times, but there was just no way to get all the
: junk out.

	This isn't a question of being a novice in computer or electronic 
experience, if you had not done refilling much prior to this than you 
probably won't go too far with an Epson printer.  Even experienced inkjet 
refillers need help with Epson printers, they simply are not that easy 
especially once Epson began making their printers tougher to refill 
(along with HP in the 500/600 series).
	Once an Epson printer is clogged to the point of no return, you 
have no choice but to chuck it unless it is still under warrenty.  This 
is the main reason why I have remained using Canon, HP, and Lexmark 
printers.

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From: nenad@my-deja.com                                 31-Dec-99 15:34:15
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

From: Nenad Milenkovic <nenad@my-deja.com>

  "Adrian Gschwend" <nospam_ktk@netlabs.org> wrote:

> If you want to port a Win32-Application you can use Odin, the new
> open source project (aka Win32-OS/2). We are working on a full
> Win32-API Implementation for OS/2, in the final state you should
> be able to just recompile your Win32-Application on OS/2 with Odin
> to get a native OS/2 Version.

Actually, it will probably never be possible to do a simple
recompile because of Win32 and OS/2 compiler differences.

However, Odin32 API is by far the fastest and easiest way to port
an application from Windows to OS/2. If one does not use API
implementation (like Open32 or Odin32), major changes are needed
as Win32 API and OS/2 have not functions with same functionality and
different names but are conceptually different.

Nenad


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From: jhimmel@i-2000.com                                31-Dec-99 16:17:04
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: Inkjet printer recommendations

From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:59:41, pdrumm@dwave.net (Peter Drumm) wrote:
> In message <386aa74e$1$woehfu$mr2ice@news.aros.net> -
> jbrush@aros.netWed, 29 Dec 1999 17:25:35 -0700 writes:

> :->>I don't recommend refilling -any- cartridge, my old Epson Stylus 800 was
> :->>completely ruined by doing that.

> :->What happened? How did refilling ruin your printer? I would be interested
> :->in how it happened.
 
> It plugged the nozzles in the printhead to the point of no return. I
> cleaned(or tried to) the printhead a couple times(about a 3 hour job),
> but could never get all the junk out. I finally had to toss the
> printer, a new printhead cost ~3x what the printer was worth.

How does this lead to the advise not to refill -any- cartridge? 
Lexmark and HP printers have the print head in the cartridge. If you 
manage to clog it irreversibly, you just throw away the cartridge. Big
deal, it was empty anyway. Is there some other reason for your advise?


[[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]]

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            31-Dec-99 16:33:11
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: Re: Porting to OS/2

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

I was wondering how difficult it would be for a team of sufficiently
skilled OS/2 users to produce an OS/2 version of a Winxx program IF
(extraordinarily big IF, I realize) they could prevail upon a software
publisher that is not interested in producing an OS/2 version itself to
allow them access, with appropriate security provisions, to the source
code.

Of course, if what has been alleged from time to time over the past few
years is true, such a company might find itself under pressure from a
certain company based in Redmond, WA not to facilitate the production of
an OS/2 version -- or at least might be unwilling to facilitate the
production of an OS/2 version because it feared retaliation by said
Redmond-based company.

Alan


Brad Benson wrote:
> 
> Can you be more specific?
>

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From: rhein114@my-deja.com                              31-Dec-99 16:41:00
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 14:29:28
Subj: What happen to StarOffice

From: rhein114@my-deja.com

Hi
Has Sun Microsytems been able to solve their compiler problems?
Best regards and a Happy New Year
Anton Laux


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From: sbm@direct.ca                                     28-Dec-99 18:53:22
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 16:05:17
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: sbm@direct.ca (Siobhan Medeiros)

"Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote:

>Siobhan Medeiros wrote:

Quite clearly, you are a borderline sociopath.  

>> >> Check out Bhopal.
>> >
>> >"Numerous instances", and you cite ONE -- and just a name of a place at
>> >that.
>>
>> DEAR GOD.  5000 people died at that one instance.  Just how many people
>> have to die to satisfy you?  Just how did your parents raise you anyway?
>
>Clearly Bhopal was a disaster.  I never denied that it wasn't.  However,
>Bhopal is one incident.
>
>You're hysterical.
>
>> I offhand could have mentioned De Beers forcing workers back into
>hazardous
>> mines AT GUNPOINT, Echlin hiring thugs to beat up union organizers,
>
>> Shell propping up a vicious regime, Westray, a factory fatality rate in
>Indonesia
>> several times the North American one, ...

I notice none of the above incidents inspire any outrage on your part.

>
>> but I personally think that Bhopal pretty much tops the list in terms of
>mass murders.
>
>You're a moron.  Calling an industrial accident a "mass murder" tops the
>list of stupidity.  I wonder how many people _intended_ Bhopal to happen.

Purposely put a defective pacemaker in someone's chest.  See what the
courts call it.

>It might have been carelessness, stupidity, and someone perhaps should be
>punished for it; but to ascribe it to the "Evil Multinationals" or "Evil
>Transnationals" (because it sounds "baaaaad"), or "The Rich".

Killing 16,000 people qualifies one as evil in my book.

>
>If it wasn't for "The Rich", the "Evil Transnationals", people like you
>wouldn't have incomes to support your whining.
>
>I suppose you don't drive a car.
>
>But, to satisfy my curiosity, what is YOUR solution?  Shut down the global
>economy?

No, we PUNISH corporations who do wrong, and reward them when they do
right. 

>
>> Here's what should have happened to Union Carbide.  The person in charge
>of
>> the plant and the person responsible for inspecting it should have spent
>> the rest of their lives in jail.  Every person that ignored the warnings
>of
>> Carbide engineers - you know, the ones who before the accident told the
>> Board of Directors that the place was a time bomb - should have gotten the
>> maximum sentence for gross negligence causing death.  The companies assets
>> should have been seized, right down to the last screw, sold off,and the
>> proceeds given to the victims and their families, instead of that paltry
>> settlement they wound up getting.
>
>I won't argue with any of that; it's fundamentally correct...
>
>> And the shareholders should have been held personally liable for all
>remaining liabilities.
>
>... but this is ridiculous.  Just because someone happens to buy a share
>doesn't make them responsible for the negligence of the person in charge of
>the plant.  It means they made a bad investment, and they probably lost
>financially due to the disaster.

But Stephen, you always insist that it is the shareholders who are in
control of the corporation  Therefore, by your own logic, they are
reponsible, unless you advocate control without responsibility.  

Surely you aren't suggesting that the average shareholder has no control
over a megacorporate giant, like say, Microsoft?

>

Quite clearly, you are a borderline sociopath, and nothing you say can be
taken seriously.  It's no wonder you're leaving.  There is no place for you
in a compassionate, enlightened country like Canada.  Anybody who is
willing to spit on the flag and desert over money is not an asset to this
country.  



Apparently you have done your usual amount of research regarding your
destination, Australia.  I understand from my Australian friends that it is
as "socialist" if not more so than Canada.  I sincerely hope you decide on
another destination.  They deserve better than you.

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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      31-Dec-99 11:29:13
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 16:05:17
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:53:44 GMT, sbm@direct.ca (Siobhan Medeiros)
wrote:

>"Steven C. Britton" <sbritton@cadvision.com> wrote:
>
>>Siobhan Medeiros wrote:
>
>Quite clearly, you are a borderline sociopath.  
>
>>> >> Check out Bhopal.
>>> >
>>> >"Numerous instances", and you cite ONE -- and just a name of a place at
>>> >that.
>>>
>>> DEAR GOD.  5000 people died at that one instance.  Just how many people
>>> have to die to satisfy you?  Just how did your parents raise you anyway?
>>
>>Clearly Bhopal was a disaster.  I never denied that it wasn't.  However,
>>Bhopal is one incident.
>>
>>You're hysterical.
>>
>>> I offhand could have mentioned De Beers forcing workers back into
>>hazardous
>>> mines AT GUNPOINT, Echlin hiring thugs to beat up union organizers,
>>
>>> Shell propping up a vicious regime, Westray, a factory fatality rate in
>>Indonesia
>>> several times the North American one, ...
>
>I notice none of the above incidents inspire any outrage on your part.
>
>>
>>> but I personally think that Bhopal pretty much tops the list in terms of
>>mass murders.
>>
>>You're a moron.  Calling an industrial accident a "mass murder" tops the
>>list of stupidity.  I wonder how many people _intended_ Bhopal to happen.
>
>Purposely put a defective pacemaker in someone's chest.  See what the
>courts call it.
>
>>It might have been carelessness, stupidity, and someone perhaps should be
>>punished for it; but to ascribe it to the "Evil Multinationals" or "Evil
>>Transnationals" (because it sounds "baaaaad"), or "The Rich".
>
>Killing 16,000 people qualifies one as evil in my book.  

Then I guess instances around the world were peasants have stripped
hill sides of trees causing mud slides and flooding as happened in
Venezuela recently are not 'disasters' but the actions of 'evil'
peasants.
>
>>
>>If it wasn't for "The Rich", the "Evil Transnationals", people like you
>>wouldn't have incomes to support your whining.
>>
>>I suppose you don't drive a car.
>>
>>But, to satisfy my curiosity, what is YOUR solution?  Shut down the global
>>economy?
>
>No, we PUNISH corporations who do wrong, and reward them when they do
>right. 
>
>>
>>> Here's what should have happened to Union Carbide.  The person in charge
>>of
>>> the plant and the person responsible for inspecting it should have spent
>>> the rest of their lives in jail.  Every person that ignored the warnings
>>of
>>> Carbide engineers - you know, the ones who before the accident told the
>>> Board of Directors that the place was a time bomb - should have gotten the
>>> maximum sentence for gross negligence causing death.  The companies assets
>>> should have been seized, right down to the last screw, sold off,and the
>>> proceeds given to the victims and their families, instead of that paltry
>>> settlement they wound up getting.
>>
>>I won't argue with any of that; it's fundamentally correct...
>>
>>> And the shareholders should have been held personally liable for all
>>remaining liabilities.
>>
>>... but this is ridiculous.  Just because someone happens to buy a share
>>doesn't make them responsible for the negligence of the person in charge of
>>the plant.  It means they made a bad investment, and they probably lost
>>financially due to the disaster.
>
>But Stephen, you always insist that it is the shareholders who are in
>control of the corporation  Therefore, by your own logic, they are
>reponsible, unless you advocate control without responsibility.  
>
>Surely you aren't suggesting that the average shareholder has no control
>over a megacorporate giant, like say, Microsoft?
>
>>
>
>Quite clearly, you are a borderline sociopath, and nothing you say can be
>taken seriously.  It's no wonder you're leaving.  There is no place for you
>in a compassionate, enlightened country like Canada.  Anybody who is
>willing to spit on the flag and desert over money is not an asset to this
>country.  
>
>
>
>Apparently you have done your usual amount of research regarding your
>destination, Australia.  I understand from my Australian friends that it is
>as "socialist" if not more so than Canada.  I sincerely hope you decide on
>another destination.  They deserve better than you.

EBB

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From: info@execulink.com                                31-Dec-99 19:11:04
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 16:54:16
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: info@execulink.com

Britton, I've read your arguments in this thread.  You're and idiot.
Please crawl of someplace and die before you express your genes into
the next dimension.


___________________________________________________
Negotiate when possible, fight when required
reply to sabre@pathcom.com

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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                30-Dec-99 22:31:13
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 16:54:16
Subj: Re: Patent or Copyright

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 Esther Schindler wrote:

>| I have been hearing that IBM can't release OS/2 into open source
>| because OS/2 part were designed by other companies.

> Patent and copyright have nothing (or little) to do with this matter.

So what are the obstacles? Does B. G. have a little Lou Gerstner doll and
threatens to put DirectNeedles 7.0 into it, which makes him flounder like
that Intel bunny people?

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: frunk@hotmail.com                                 31-Dec-99 22:00:16
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 19:52:06
Subj: Re: Vote: Steve Britton moving to US

From: frunk@hotmail.com

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:31:48 -0500, letoured@nospam.net wrote:

>Okay everyone,
>
>Britton wants to leave Canada. As a US citizen I certainly do not want his
>brainless redneck body here, so I figured it time to vote:
>
>Are you guys to our north in favor of throwing him out of Canada?
>
>Do the US guys here favor him going somewhere besides the United States?
>
>
>Commentary: Perhaps in 50 words or less where you tell us where you think
>this character will end up in 20 years? 

>Ed Letourneau <letoured@sover.net>
>

Letourneau? Sounds like you're a DP yourself. Go figure!

Frunk

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From: abeagley@optonline.net                            31-Dec-99 21:40:29
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 19:52:06
Subj: Re: Yamaha CDRW drive

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@optonline.net>

But HPFS is not a prmissible format for CD-ROMs. I assume that if one
were to copy files with attached EAs from an HPFS partition to a CD-ROM,
an EA DATA. SF file would be created to hold the EAs, but I have no idea
whether one could restore a functioning boot drive and OS/2 Desktop from
that.

Alan


tom wrote:

> I saw in one of the package info sheets that the disk can/has tobe
> formatted.  Thus accepting EA's

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From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca                      01-Jan-128 00:36:13
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 21:36:27
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: siberREMOVETHIS@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea)

On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:05:40 GMT, jenuths@homacjen.ab.ca wrote:

>In can.politics Siobhan Medeiros <sbm@direct.ca> wrote:
>
>
>> But Steven, you always insist that it is the shareholders who are in
>> control of the corporation  Therefore, by your own logic, they are
>> reponsible, unless you advocate control without responsibility.  
>
>The whole idea of limited liability companies is that the shareholders
>have control without any responsibility.
>
>-- 
>Best regards,
>
>Stephen Jenuth


The whole concept of 'limited liability has been and is being eroded
by the courts in various countries.  Executives and directors of
companies now have a fiduciary responsibity for employees pay and
benefits, for instance, which, until a few years ago, was unheard of.
There are several cases in the courts in the U.S. being pressed
against shareholders of so called 'limited liability' companies,
which, given the evolution of judiciary acitivism in the past few
years, will no doubt end up finding for the plaintiffs.  Like
Sovereign Immunity, limited liability will no doubt disappear into
history.
EBB

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               01-Jan-128 00:46:18
  To: All                                               31-Dec-99 21:36:27
Subj: Re: Patent or Copyright

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:31:26, oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick) wrote:

| So what are the obstacles? Does B. G. have a little Lou Gerstner doll and
| threatens to put DirectNeedles 7.0 into it, which makes him flounder like
| that Intel bunny people?

IBM contracted with outside companies to write parts of OS/2 2.0, most
of which are still in OS/2 Warp 4 today. Think of the graphics engine,
for example, which (if I recall correctly) has chunks written by 
Micrografx. (The same fine people who brought you Mirrors... well, it 
was a good idea.) In all probability, IBM can use code like that, but 
they don't *own* it so they can't give it away or make it free etc.

--Esther

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