At 11:31 01.05.97 GMT, phoenix@swipnet.se (Phoenix) wrote:


>"Elite presents why vex suxxx", "fuck off vectronix"
>
>This is an answer to Elite's official threat to Vectronix, atleast that's
>the impression you can get by reading it....

vexsuxxx.zip isn't a threat, it's a denunciation of your vicious policy.

>Faramir, you childish leader of Elite. 

and proud to be it !

>What really, do you think you're
>doing? Not only that you cannot keep our little disputes private, but you
>have to get VeX involved in it too, and make it an official threat coming
>from Elite as a group? You have NO backup from them for this!

it's not about "our little disputes", it's about atari in the computing, and
it's about computing related to the world take-over done by mirco$oft,
it's serious matter, because computing is the future, and our behaviours
have heavey consequences.

>To point some of the incorrect things out from your little message, I'm not
>the leader of VeX. Even though if we maybe not have any obvious leader, as
>we're all friends and respect each others, and make most decisions together,
>both Metallinos and Hardball for example, is more obvious choice of leader
>than me. 

we work the same way in elite.

>VeX works as a group, we're having fun together and we like each
>others, just like it should be. But I guess you don't know what that is like!

elite as a crew concern each other members too, marcer and myself submit
decision to members votes.

>The logfiles you put in this shit makes people think this is all about a
>file_id.diz argument, but it's not. 

it's not indeed. it's what about follows.

>It's simply that you cannot accept that
>I have a PC now, just like yourself, all Vectronix members, and most old
>atari users today. I don't see the purpose of those logs, I have much funnier
>logs, emails, textfiles from our little conversations, but for your own
>sake I don't think you want them to be public....

the matter isn't about having a pc. the matter is about pushing atarians
to abandon atari to the pc. there's a huge difference. besides, i only 
quoted your public statements. i didn't quote any of your private statements.

i don't log any private chat anyway. i have respect for my interlocutors.

i only keep e-mails of practical use.

>I also want to point it out that we have nothing against Elite as group,
>this is strictly private between me and you Faramir, so leave both parts out
>of this! I don't understand why you had to make such a big deal out of this
>anyway, but now I have had enough of you!

because you love windoze and what surrounds, which is a very bad sign. 
windoze is shit, you can't be an atarian and liking windoze garbage at 
the same time, or you're a traitor. i use a pc with windoze on it just 
to go on the internet, and for nothing else. my tt is my main machine. 
my pc is just an internet browser. i hate windoze, i hate m$, i hate bill 
gates but i've to use windoze to go on the net and fight evilness on earth.

>Can't you get it into your little mind that you are the one not wanted on
>the atari scene, or is so full of shit concerning aliens, satan, microsoft
>etc that there's no space for anything else? They don't even want you on
>the #ufo channels strangely enough!

i did release one of two things about aliens and m$ under the elite 
banner in the past, but don't do it anymore. it's not adapted.

aliens are here for real.

satan is corrupting humans for real.

mirco$oft is taking over the world for real.

why calling these matters shit ? i'd say there is shit in your eyes,
or you don't want to have your qietness bothered with stuff that'd 
call upon your responsibilities and care for others (if you have any).

about the #ufo channel, i don't know where you did go fetch this. 
i'm welcome on the #ufo channel, i got banned several time last year 
on us efnet #ufo for front-attacking people preaching bowing down in 
front of the aliens, but that's all. most of ppl on #ufo channels like me.

>The members of your group don't want you, atleast two members have left only
>because of you. 

strata left because i pointed the ambuiguity of being in 2 crews at the
same time. pervert left after because stratagem left. the other members 
want me, or else they'd have told me so. may be people don't like my
aggressivity. but everybody likes the result.

>Nobody in your group have ever listened to you, and never will.

you don't know what you're talking about. members consent my decisions, 
which i never take alone, so there's no problem. elite is more an 
international crew than vex, so it works differently.

>You're dragging Elite down in the shit, and you better start realizing it
>before it's too late. Open your fucking eyes, wake up from your dreamland
>and face the reality for a change!

you're dragging the atari scene into the void, and denouncing your shitty
policy gets our hands full of shit indeed, and if we let you do we become
your accomplices.

when you clean a copper pan, you rub the dirt for minutes before getting
to the bright copper.

>I expect you to step down from the leadership in Elite, and/or that the other
>members kick you out of the group. 

i already give marcer lots of autonomy, because i can't deal with the crew
all the month long (ie when i work).

>I think it's sad that someone like you
>have the responsibility for a group like Elite. 

what u're doing is trying to split us up by changing subject. your policy 
is a betrayal, and you obviously don't want ppl to know it. you want 
atarians to go for the pecoss. and you want them to be ruled by you, you 
whou "saved them from sticking to a dead computer all their live".

>If Sledge knew what you are
>doing to his old group he would not be happy, that's for sure!

i'm just taking my responsibilities. which bothers traitors like you !

>Then, what the FUCK have you contributed with to keep the atari scene alive?

ever heard about central europe ? huh ?

>I'm quite sure about that the releases I did this weekend is more than you
>have ever done! 

we have several recent releases too, but you don't check them anymore, so
you say bull, and it gets your mouth dirt.

>Or do you want me to count alien compendiums, craptalk about
>Microsoft and threats to other groups? 

these don't count as releases. do they ?

>Then if you are such a fucking PC
>and Microsoft fanatic yourself, why complain at others? Or, was I wrong again?
>You're strictly on Atari yourself? Yeah, right.... ;-)

refer to above for the reasons why i'm using a pc. and mocking 
makes only you laugh.

>I say it again Faramir, you better step down from your position in Elite,
>or things will get a dramatically change here.....

i don't care about your policy of shouting at everyone, my release was
to denounce you to others, you don't care about atari, you just care
about yourself and about power, you worship satan, you're not the kind 
guy you faint to be.

>See you on #atari Faramir! Ohhh, I forgot, you're not wanted there either,
>and you don't have access anymore... 

yes, you made me ban by the bots. how nice of you.

>It's not the first time you get
>banned from there either, you on of the most loyal atarians? haha....

if ppl knew what vex's doing, you'd be banned too. but you're not loyal,
you're just a pernicious liar. and a traitor !

>/Phoenix of Vectronix
>
>Statements in this text are my own and does not involve Vectronix, no matter
>how much they might agree to it... ;-)

next message: the vexsuxxx text in itself

ps: sledge got banned from #atari, too in dec 1995,
before he left - for the same reason !
