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                                                                     -SNSR





        presents:

                why vex suxxx

                compiled and released by faramir on 29 april 1997

fellow atarians at war for survival against the tyranny of mirco$oft,
too much is too much! vectronix, lead by phoenix, not having enough
of provocation by passing on pc, treat atari of a dead computer, and
loving the wealth of windoze 95, passed a gear up in betrayal at the atari
scene. this is merely personal. this is rather strategical. and i think
a scene with the throat half cut can bother with strategical moves of its
sceners.                faramir/elite





here's an extract from vex' latest crk release:

   We would like to welcome our new member, Senser which will work for us   
   as ascii/ansi artist. You'll see example of his work together with our   
   new releases! Senser will bring even more quality to our group!          
                                                                            
   Due to lack of time, school exams and work, motivation, and activity on  
   the atari scene we have have been a bit lazy for a while, and we know    
   it! Only fools cannot admit that the atari scene is very much dead, but  
   we will continue to support atari as long as there is a need, so don't   
   count us out yet! As far as I know we're the only group which still      
   releases new commercial software for the atari.                          
                                                                            

only traitors tell themselves (and others) atari is dead. as far as i know,
you're a weak traitor selling yourself to the enemy. or perhaps were you
never an atarian ? atari isn't dead. and you're not the would-be last
atarian sceners you pretend to be in order to take more atarians with you
to hell.

   Heavens Trash, our World Headquarter (and currently only board) have     
   seen a dramatically change since last time. Now running PCBoard v15.x    
   on a Pentium 133 with 5+ gigabyte harddisk, and also supporting PC       
   conferences.                                                             

wow ... pretty cool huh ?? how to s(p)end a lot of money to the trash !



now, here's an extract from da irc on 27 april 1997, very funny
(my irc nick is ethhoack):

[Phoenix] [phoenix@dialup81-4-12.swipnet.se] has joined #atari
<TB> [[Phoenix]] needles - injections, almond eyes - giving hope
<[Phoenix]> hiya...
<Oops2_> hej phx
<Flinny> re Oops"
<Flinny> Phoenix : I put up a version with a file_id.diz :)
<TMC> h ph0enix
<Oops2_> Flin: heh.. for the BBS?
<Flinny> Oops : yeah :)
<Flinny> Oops : he said he wasn't gonna get the new cab.ovl until I put
a file_id.diz in :)
<Oops2_> blaaaah
<[Phoenix]> flinnny: thanx... what's the url? ;)
<[Phoenix]> oops: it's lame of release anything without file_id.diz_es....
<Flinny> Phoenix : http://www.flinny.demon.co.uk/files/cab_ovl/cab_ovl.lzh
<[Phoenix]> flinny: thx.. got it....
<Oops2_> hm.. bbs software should get the description from the comment in
the archive
<Flinny> Oops : there aint one :)
ajje [ajje@wombat.ludvika.se] has joined #atari
<ajje> rehuj
<[Phoenix]> oops: file_id.diz'es purpose are just to be, THE description for
 bbses....
<[Phoenix]> oops: atari must be the onlty platform which not everyone uses
 it...
<ethhoack> phoenix: dizes are for pc board wankers, it's not a standard at
all ...
<[Phoenix]> ethoack: say what? you are _quite_ missinformed....
<ethhoack> phoenix: if you were pure and never touched a pc, you wouldn't
even know what's a file_id.diz
<[Phoenix]> ethoack: blah... you dont know what you're talking about...
every fucking bbs program in the world supports file_id.dizes....
<Oops2_> phx: right.. I know what they are for.. but it's a lame idea to
begin with..
<ethhoack> phoenix: i know that, i used pcb before you, but file_id.diz is
a standard only on pc
<Oops2_> the descriptions should be in the comment of the archive format..
eg zip comment.. lzh comment etc..
<ethhoack> yeah right
<[Phoenix]> oops: is it? what's wrong with that the author always gets the
same desciption of his files uploaded anywhere? I guess you have never been
 a sysop, you should see the descriptions people enter for the files they
 upload.....
<Oops2_> I have been.. people usually enter crap descriptions..
<[Phoenix]> ethoack: ratsoft supports file_id.diz, ami express does it...
it's NOT for PC only...
<Oops2_> but.. the descriptions should be got from the comment of
the archive.. not a file in the archive..
<Oops2_> just another lame PC standard we are stuck with..
<[Phoenix]> oops. the comment of archives change! and people repacks stuff
before uplading...
<[Phoenix]> oops: it's not a fucking PC standard....
<Oops2_> ppl should not repack stuff
<ethhoack> phoenix: it's not a reason to piss on ppl who don't use it
<[Phoenix]> oops: nope, they shuldn't... but they do...
<[Phoenix]> ethoack: no... but I nuke files not carrying a diz.. so it's
their choice...
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<ethhoack> phoenix: so there is no choice but yours
<Oops2_> if they didn't repack stuff.. and put description in the comment of
 the archive.. file_id.diz would not be needed
<Flinny> Tino!
<loke> Hehe... If you say "mirc" on #Linux you get kicked by the bot. :-)
<realTINO> heya again
<realTINO> Flinny!
<[Phoenix]> opps: then, how do you get the comment of an archive, is there
an easy way to do that? which both lzh, zip, arj, rar etc supports?
<Flinny> loke : haha cool :)
Flinny votes for an MIRC kick <G> (please dont hit me:))
<Oops2_> phx: yep.. all decent packers have a command to do that
<[Phoenix]> oops: which command is that?
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<Oops2_> phx: you have to config it for each packer.. just like you must
config the extract file command for each packer
<ethhoack> phoenix: there is a simple way, which is to remember the file
 desc, and type it manually everytime you trade the file, write down descs
  on paper with a pen, but you sure don't understand that anymore, you
   prefer using diz and the fucking lame and shitty windoze notepad, and
   let mirco$oft rule your life which you sold to them !! why don't you just
   leave here and join #windows95 and #mirchelp, where everyone will agree
    with you ?
<[Phoenix]> oops: no problem... just tell me the commands for ZIP and LZH...
<[Phoenix]> ethoack: Im sick and tired of you, and the atari "scene"...
therefore, Im leaving...
[Phoenix] [phoenix@dialup81-4-12.swipnet.se] has quit IRC (fuck off)
<Oops2_> phx: usually the l command does it

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